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MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2017 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Toy

2017-07-11T02:42:57Z

Semysane: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame 2017 Hasbro Toy of the Year''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top three '''official''' ''Transformers'' toys released '''or''' scheduled to be released in the 2017 calendar year. See also [[2017#Hasbro|here]].
##We'll make an exception for toys that technically first showed up in the 4th quarter of 2016 but didn't propagate until 2017. (For ''[[Titans_Return_(toyline)#General_retail|Titans Return]]'', anything at or after wave 3. For ''[[Transformers:_Robots_in_Disguise_(2015_toyline)#.22Standard.22_line|Robots in Disguise]]'', at least Warrior Class at or after wave 8.)
#Pick only toys that have been '''officially announced'''. No leaks!
#If a character appeared in more than one scale or toyline, please '''specify the series and size-class''' (eg ''Titans Return'' Voyager Megatron vs ''The Last Knight'' Legion Megatron).
#No toys '''only''' released by TakaraTomy. It's the Hasbro toy of the year award!
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter.
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your toys of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Blurr (RID Legion), Scorn (TLK Voyager), Topspin (TR Deluxe) --<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

Poll entry period ends at 3pm on '''[[July 16]]th, 2017'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:34, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

==Poll entries==


*Alpha Trion, Krok, Ptero [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:54, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Bisk (Warrior Class), Nautica, Overlord --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:09, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*''Titans Return'' Broadside, ''The Last Knight'' Premier Edition Voyager Class Optimus Prime, ''Titans Return'' Quake -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:13, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Nautica, Shuffler, Topspin --[[User:Jrgolden42|Jrgolden42]] ([[User talk:Jrgolden42|talk]]) 21:25, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Leader ''TLK'' Megatron, ''TR'' Sky Shadow, ''RID'' Stormshot -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 21:52, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*RID Bisk (Warrior), Masterpiece movie Bumblebee, TLK Sqweeks [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 22:07, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Nautica, Shredicus Maximus, Perceptor - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] ([[User talk:Semysane|talk]]) 22:42, 10 July 2017 (EDT)



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MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2017 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Movie

2017-07-11T02:16:32Z

Semysane:

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Movie Character Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top '''three''' favorite LIVE-ACTION FILM SERIES ''Transformers'' characters.
#Per the the informational email, they must characters that '''appeared on film'''. They must also actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
##"Favorite Transformers Character" (fictional robot character) votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2017 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character|go here!]]'''
##Do not vote for the same characters in both categories.
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter.
##You '''can''' vote for any character film character who was previously inducted! This includes '''Arcee, Bumblebee, Grimlock, Hot Rod, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, and Wheeljack.'''
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Cogman, Frenzy, Hound --<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

Poll entry period ends at 3pm on '''[[July 16]]th, 2017'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:34, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

==Poll entries==


*Dragonstorm, Drift, Grimlock [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:51, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Cogman, Nitro Zeus, Sqweeks -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:03, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Hound, Laserbeak, Nitro Zeus --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:06, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Laserbeak, Ratchet, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:11, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Barricade, Hound, Nitro Zeus --[[User:Jrgolden42|Jrgolden42]] ([[User talk:Jrgolden42|talk]]) 21:22, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Barricade, Devastator, Sentinel Prime -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 21:48, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Cogman, Frenzy, Nitro Zeus - [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 22:04, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Chromedome, Cyclonus, Rewind [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 22:12, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Dickbot the blender guy, Ejector, Dispensor - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] ([[User talk:Semysane|talk]]) 22:16, 10 July 2017 (EDT)




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MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2017 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Character

2017-07-11T02:05:59Z

Semysane: /* Poll entries */

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Favorite Character Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top '''three''' ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
##"Live-Action Film Transformers Character" (fictional robot character) votes '''[[Transformers Wiki:TFWiki.net 2017 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Movie|go here!]]'''
##Do not vote for the same characters in both categories.
#Take your top three list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' pick a specific version of '''Arcee, Bumblebee, Cosmos, Dinobot, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, ''Beast Wars'' Megatron, Optimus Primal, Optimus Prime, Predaking (combiner), Prowl, Ratchet, Rodimus, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Ultra Magnus, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Sentinel Prime (Animated)--<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>

Poll entry period ends at 3pm on '''[[July 16]]th, 2017'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 20:34, 10 July 2017 (EDT)

==Poll entries==


*Jetfire, Lio Convoy, ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' Preditron [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:50, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 21:10, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Scrounge, BW Silverbolt --[[User:Jrgolden42|Jrgolden42]] ([[User talk:Jrgolden42|talk]]) 21:20, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Bulkhead, Scorponok, Sideways -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:35, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*brainstorm, rung, perceptor-[[user: cyberdoctor42|cyberdoctor42]] ([[user talk:cyberdoctor42|talk]]) 21:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Blackarachnia, Bludgeon, Thundercracker [[User:Kyojikasshu|Kyojikasshu]] ([[User talk:Kyojikasshu|talk]]) 21:41, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Devastator, Tarantulas, Ravage -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 21:46, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Brainstorm, Cyclonus, Ravage - [[User:Tiel|Tiel]] ([[User talk:Tiel|talk]]) 21:51, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Vector Prime, Spacewarp, Trans-Mutant [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 22:02, 10 July 2017 (EDT)
*Hooligan, Slog, Blackarachnia - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] ([[User talk:Semysane|talk]]) 22:05, 10 July 2017 (EDT)



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File:ReignofStarscream4 Arcee.jpg

2011-09-11T11:39:43Z

Semysane:

[[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] reflects upon her return to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after dispatching her enemies. Panel from [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''Transformers Movie Sequel'' "[[The Reign of Starscream issue 4]]"

*'''Script & Letters:''' [[Chris Mowry]]
*'''Pencils:''' [[Alex Milne]]
*'''Colours:''' [[Josh Perez]]

{{comicinterior}}

{{C}} IDW Publishing & Hasbro, 2008.
[[category:Images by Alex Milne]]
[[category:Images by Josh Perez]]

Sunstorm (Cybertron)

2011-09-06T23:12:17Z

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{{Factions|minicon|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Sunstorm}}
:''Sunstorm is a [[Decepticon]]-allied [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Revelations-Sunstormregroups.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Don't let the yellow fool you; I'm just a black repaint.]]
Though [[Thrust (Cybertron)|Thrust]] leads the [[Sky Terror Mini-Con Team]], some think that '''Sunstorm''' is the true brains of the outfit, and therefore the greatest threat. Sunstorm plans to sell his own people to the Decepticons, to be used as power wells and fuel for the Decepticons' galactic war machine. For this gift, he fully expects to be given his rightful place in the Decepticon hierarchy!

==Fiction==
===''Cybertron'' comic===
Sunstorm and an army of insurgent Mini-Cons forged an alliance with some Decepticons to eliminate the Mini-Con colony on one of Cybertron's moons. Hidden in the debris between two of Cybertron's moons was a secret base of operations, where Sunstorm and the others had constructed a cannon that could eliminate the primary colony with one shot. But the [[Mini-Con Council of Sages]] caught wind of this plan and contacted the remaining Autobots on Earth. {{storylink|Revelations Part 4}}

The insurgent Mini-Cons were soon engaged in battle with [[Optimus Prime (RID)|an Optimus Prime]], [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|an Ultra Magnus]], [[Sentinel Maximus]], [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]], and [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], which would have been more than they could handle, if Sunstorm and the others were not secretly allied with [[Unicron]] and [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]. After the first attack wave, Sunstorm called the remaining insurgent Mini-Cons to him to regroup, and one last push was made against the much larger Autobot army. Unfortunately, the alliance was a sham to draw out Skyfall, who Unicron had designs for, and Unicron quickly turned on them.

Sunstorm's fate was not revealed, though at battle's end, the Mini-Con Council of Sages pledged to hunt down the remaining insurgents. {{storylink|Revelations Part 5}}

==Toys==
===Cybertron===
[[Image:Cybertron-toy_MiniCon_Sunstorm.JPG|right|thumb|250px]]
*'''Sunstorm vs. Checkpoint''' (Mini-Con 2-pack, 2006)

: Sunstorm is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Energon (toyline)|Energon]]''-series [[Energon Saber]] member [[Wreckage (Energon)|Wreckage]], transforming into a Cybertronic space cruiser. He also forms the tip of the Sky Terror Team's combined sword mode. He was available only in a two-pack with the [[Autobot]]-allied Mini-Con [[Checkpoint (Cybertron)|Checkpoint]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Snowblind|Beacon]]. The original tooling for the mold was used to make [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'']] [[Runway]] and [[Jackknife|Jack]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/Sunstorm/sunstorm.htm More information on Sunstorm at TFU.info]''

[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Cybertron Decepticons]]
[[Category:Cybertron Mini-Cons]]

Sunstorm (disambiguation)

2011-09-06T23:08:19Z

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[[Image:Sunstormsall.jpg|right|thumb|Not bad for an [[e-Hobby]] character.]]

The name '''Sunstorm''' has been applied to several Transformers characters.

{{disamb|y=1984|[[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], the irradiated [[Decepticon]] F-15 fighter jet from [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}

{{disamb|y=2004|[[Sunstorm (Universe)|Sunstorm]], the Decepticon minion of [[Unicron]] jet from ''[[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]''.}}

{{disamb|y=2006|[[Sunstorm (Mini-Con)|Sunstorm]], the [[Sky Terror Mini-Con Team]] space cruiser from ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]''.}}

{{disamb|y=2006|[[Sunstorm (LOC)|Sunstorm]], the Decepticon Cybertronic fighter jet from ''Cybertron''.}}

{{disamb|y=2008|[[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]], the sycophantic [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Starscream clone]] from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.}}

'''Sunstorm''' should not be confused with:

*[[Jetstorm (disambiguation)|Jetstorm]]

*[[Sandstorm (disambiguation)|Sandstorm]]

*[[Acid Storm]], or [[Rainmaker|his yellow teammate]] for that matter.

*[[Sunstreaker (disambiguation)|Sunstreaker]]

*[[Sunbeam]], the [[Nebulan]] [[Targetmaster]] partner of [[Needlenose]] from Generation 1.

*[[Sunburn]], the [[Unicron]]-allied [[Aqua Raider Team]] assault boat from ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]''.

*[[Sundor]], the Decepticon cassette/condor from ''[[Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]''.

*[[Sunspot]], the yellow and white stealth jet from the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers 2010 toyline]].
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User talk:71.238.48.47

2011-09-02T21:41:01Z

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== Sorry ==
Sorry about reverting that edit of yours! I should have looked closer at what you were actually editing. I've reverted my revert for you. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:41, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

Bumblebee (SG Animated)

2011-09-02T21:39:43Z

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{{factions|sgAutobot}}
{{disambig3|Bumblebee}}
:''Bumblebee is an evil [[Autobot]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Shattered_glass_bumblebee_bust.jpg|thumb|150px|His lips are the only ones to rival [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]]'.]]

If the '''Bumblebee''' we've always known has been chipper and chatty, what does that make his negative counterpart? You guessed it. Quiet, back-stabbing, and prone to emit a cackle known only as "oil-curdling."

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' BotCon 2011 Attendee Lithographs===
Due to his size, Bumblebee would prefer to mop up after a battle, rather than actually do any fighting. He hates [[Isaac Sumdac (SG Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] for his enslavement along with the other Autobots of his universe.<ref>BotCon 2011 Attendee Lithographs</ref>

==Notes==
* Bumblebee's coloration is based on [[BotCon 2007]]'s [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]] toy.
* Belonging to two entirely different, and previously unlinked franchises, Bumblebee and his continuity's [[Sari Sumdac (SG Animated)|Sari]] present a... bit of a classification problem.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]

Cyclonus (Armada)

2011-09-02T21:38:16Z

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{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Cyclonus}}
{{disambig3|Snow Cat}}
:''Cyclonus is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Cyclonus-AR-DVD.jpg|right|400px|thumb|"Morale? We've never had morale around here!"]]
Cautious. Reliable. Uneager. These are not words to describe '''Cyclonus'''. He is one wild and craaaaaaazy guy. Seriously, he's the guy in the group that even the other Cons think is a little unbalanced. His usual battle tactic is to rush straight in with every piece of artillery he has blazing, all while laughing maniacally. Other times, he yodels while rushing straight in with every piece of artillery he has blazing.

He loves combat, and isn't particularly picky about which side he's on, so long as he gets to shoot things. He's not especially bright, but [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] knows the value of a soldier largely without fear.

He is oftentimes partnered with the [[Mini-Con]] [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]], whose optics were opened up to just how much ''fun'' lunatic charges can be. The two get along amazingly well, both having an undying love for the sheer excitement of blowing stuff up real good.

Cyclonus takes the name '''Snow Cat''' after receiving a new body.

==Fiction==
===Toy pack-in mini-comics===

When [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] turned an energon-draining device on [[Cyber City]], Cyclonus and Crumplezone guarded it against Autobot intervention. The duo powerlinked and threatened [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] with a super-cannon when he arrived to foil their plans. Hot Shot's partner [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]] arrived, however, giving him super-speed and driving claws to outmaneuver the Decepticons. Cyclonus and Crumplezone were caught in an explosion when Hot Shot dumped the Decepticon device in a ravine. {{storylink|Armada (mini-comic)}}

Somehow, Megatron was able to ambush [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], and forced him to battle Snow Cat, [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] and [[Shockblast]] without back-up. Luckily for Prime, [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] arrived with a new Powerlinx mode for the two of them, enabling Prime to annihilate Snow Cat and the other Decepticons with heavy firepower. {{storylink|Energon (mini-comic)}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''Armada'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Don Brown]] (English), [[Isshin Chiba]] (Japanese), [[Peter Kjellström]] (Swedish), [[Tobias Lelle]] (German), [[Mauro Ramos]] (Brazil)

Cyclonus is a wild soldier under [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]'s command. He is closely partnered with his comrade [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], with whom he sometimes shares a love/hate relationship. He is known for having a maniacal personality and will often fire at targets frantically, risking damage to his own teammates. He has a quirky and sarcastic personality, often leading to harsh punishment by his commander. For some unknown reason, Cyclonus had the habit of falling asleep at random intervals during downtime after battles. He could be the first recorded case of a narcoleptic Decepticon (although not [[Galvatron (BWII)|the first narcoleptic]] in ''Transformers'' full-stop).

Cyclonus served Megatron throughout [[The Unicron Battles]], and was a key player in the united Armada against the [[Unicron|chaos-bringer]]. His alternate form is a helicopter, and he often took pleasure in tormenting the three kids under [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime's]] protection. He joined the Autobot unit after the demise of Megatron, though with reservations.

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====''Energon'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Don Brown]] (English), [[Isshin Chiba]] (Japanese), [[Johan Hedenberg]] (Swedish, Cyclonus), [[Anders Öjebo]] (Swedish, Snow Cat)

Cyclonus returned as the guardian of the [[Cybertron City (city)|Cybertron City]] [[Lunar City|based on the moon]]. Although he served in his role dutifully, he was yearning for the days of combat. Not long after the attacks on Mars and Asteroid City, the moon would also be attacked, a battle through which Cyclonus would hold up a small resistance before he was presumed destroyed. As [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] prepared for more [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] assaults on Earth, Cyclonus surfaced, having tucked tail and ran, abandoning the Cybertron City on the moon to be looted of its [[Energon (Energon)|Energon]]. Cyclonus assisted Demolishor and the Autobots until [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] showed up wielding [[Megatron's Sword]], a blade forged by [[Alpha Quintesson]] from the Spark of Megatron. Believing that it was proof of Megatron, Cyclonus abandoned the Autobots and Demolishor, joining Alpha Quintesson's forces.

Cyclonus would once again serve Megatron when the commander was revived within Unicron for some time, before sustaining damages from an [[Autobot]] assault while retreating. Having failed to topple the [[energon tower]]s, Cyclonus returned injured to his commander, begging for repairs. In a rage, Megatron bound Cyclonus to the wall using [[Unicron]]'s internal tentacles as punishment. Cyclonus was then fused with Unicron's essence in a painful manner and upgraded into '''Snow Cat''', who then took up yodeling, and skiing. {{storylink|Kicker Beware!}} During [[The Powerlinx Battles]] Snow Cat and Demolishor had to deal with a gigantic [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]], who was mutated by the [[Super Energon]].

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===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
Following [[The Powerlinx Battles]], Snow Cat went totally starkers (it wasn't a long trip), and without Megatron to guide him, wandered the streets of [[Kaon]], a raving loon during the planet's evacuation. {{storylink|#Universe|Snow Cat's ''Universe'' toy bio}}

{{note|Snow Cat's ''[[Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' bio sets him off-camera during the events of ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' rather within the pre-existing ''Universe'' storyline. This is likely due to the ''Universe'' storyline giving way to and folding into the Fanclub Cybertron comic which is set largely on this abandoned Cybertron.}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
====''Armada'' comic====
Before the war with the Autobots began, Cyclonus was part of [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]'s inner circle. He and [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] attacked [[Mini-Con Sector|Mini-Con Village C52]], capturing most of its population after getting past its [[Filtrek|forceshield]] by simply attacking from underground. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 1|Armada #1}} After picking C52 resident [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]] as his personal slave, Cyclonus participated in the Decepticon assault on [[Cyber City]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 2|Armada #2}}

One million years later, Cyclonus was present when the Decepticons learned that the Mini-Cons who had fled from Cybertron during the war had ended up on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 3|Armada #3}} He, Demolishor and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] traveled to the alien planet via [[space bridge]] and assaulted a military base for new [[alternate mode]]s. After complaining about the humans' stench and taking out their communications systems, Cyclonus scanned a helicopter and joined Megatron for some Mini-Con hunting. He found out the hard way that the Autobots had also come to Earth when [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] caved his cockpit in. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 4|Armada #4}} Cyclonus and the others fought a short battle with the Autobots, but were forced to retreat when their enemies got some Mini-Cons of their own. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 5|Armada #5}}

Cyclonus later helped capture the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]], which led to Megatron getting his hands on the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 6|Armada #6}} Using this mighty weapon, the Decepticons attacked the Autobots' headquarters. Cyclonus overheard Starscream complaining that Megatron didn't even need his loyal troops now that he had the power of the Star Saber, and told him to stop being so whiny: they were Megatron's eyes and ears, and he would never forget about them! He then fought with the Autobots, lost, and retreated in short order. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 7|Armada #7}} Some time later at the Decepticons' [[Silver Ridge]] base, Cyclonus went to put the Mini-Cons <s>to bed</s> back in their cells, but found that the little 'bots had run away. When he tried to recall them, he found that they had tampered with the base's internal defenses, turning them against him. Cyclonus, who had forgotten the emergency override code, was promptly imprisoned in the base and blasted by laser turrets. Luckily, the lasers were only set to harm Mini-Cons, so he wasn't too injured to participate in the hunt for the escaped Mini-Cons. The Decepticons followed their Mini-Cons to a [[Mini-Con Ark|structure]] in [[Kansas]], but failed to stop them from entering it and blasting off into space. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 8|Armada #8}}

The Decepticons found that the Mini-Cons had traveled to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], and soon followed them there. The flying Decepticons and Megatron attacked the [[Mini-Con Moonbase]], but were driven off by its automated defenses. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 9|Armada #9}} Cyclonus doubted that the moonbase had any weaknesses at all, but Megatron scoffed at this and fought his way into it using a [[Mini-Con Moonbase breacher|really big drill]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 10|Armada #10}} With help from [[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]], he took control of the base's defenses and ordered Cyclonus to renew his assault... only for Leader-1 to betray the Decepticons and reactivate the defenses. After retreating again, Cyclonus decided to pick a fight with a newly arrived Autobot shuttle instead, but this turned out to be a poor decision as the ship heavily outgunned him. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 11|Armada #11}}

Megatron eventually wrecked the moonbase and captured the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]] who had built it. However, the Mini-Con trio proved capable of overloading anyone who [[powerlinx]]ed with them, so rather than using them himself, Megatron decided that Cyclonus had volunteered to try them out. He was sent to help [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] retrieve some Mini-Cons in [[Alaska]], but shortly after he took out the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]], the Destruction Team indeed overloaded him. Driven mad with power, Cyclonus attacked Thrust in a berserker rage. {{storylink|Fire & Ice}} The Destruction Team's power allowed him to easily defeat his Decepticon comrade, and he even outmatched an entire team of Autobots which arrived shortly afterward. He was eventually knocked out by [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], powered up with every ounce of [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]]'s energy. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 13|Armada #13}} The heavily damaged Cyclonus was eventually retrieved and placed in a repair tank in the Decepticon base. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}}

After recovering, Cyclonus participated in an all-out ssault on the Autobots, who had lost Optimus Prime. The attack went well, up until a [[Galvatron (G1)|powerful stranger]] arrived on the scene and effortlessly took out all the Decepticons other than Megatron. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}} When the threat of [[Unicron]] reared its ugly head, the Decepticons had no choice but join forces with the Autobots. Cyclonus released the Decepticon-held Mini-Cons back into the wild, then returned to Cybertron to do battle with Unicron. {{storylink|The End}}

====''Energon'' comic====
Ten years after the destruction of Unicron, Cyclonus was spotted in [[Cyber City]], oddly not blowing anything up. {{storylink|This Evil Reborn}}

Later, Snow Cat was located in a [[Abyss|small town]] in the Yukon, under the command of [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] busy sabotaging [[Base Unit 1]] to that the [[Energon (Energon)|Energon]] it'd produce would come to feed Unicron. He also captured the [[Omnicon|Omnicons]] and rigged them to a machine that would brainwash them into obedience to him and [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]. However, the Omnicons learned the value of teamwork thanks to the shared-hallucination-induced disembodied advice-giving head of [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]], broke free, and totally kicked his ass. {{storylink|Omni-Potent}}

Much later, Snow Cat was one of several Decepticons who attempted to "sneak" into [[Ocean City]] and steal the data for the Autobots' [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme prototype]]. He rushed into the dark hangar, smacked into a scaffolding like a big dumb doof, and was chased out by security. Megatron didn't buy Snow Cat's recounting of how his daring and skill was thwarted by a "sub sea earthquake" for one second. {{storylink|Perspective}}

{{note|Due to the bankruptcy of [[Dreamwave Productions]], it has not been confirmed if Cyclonus and Snow Cat are one and the same in this reality. If Snow Cat was indeed a reformatted Cyclonus, then it is likely that he was taken during the Four Horsemen's attack on Cybertron during [[What Lies Beneath, Part Two|issue 21]].}}

===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
In the early days of the war, Cyclonus, [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] performed an airstrike on the [[Autobot Command HQ]]. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 9|Counter-Strike!}} As the war with the Autobots continued for millions of years, and Cyclonus was seen fighting alongside Starscream some more. {{storylink|First Encounter!}}

When the Mini-Cons were discovered on [[Earth]], [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] summoned the two fliers and [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] to scour the planet. Shortly after arriving, they got into a battle with the Autobots again, and Cyclonus was rammed out of the sky by a flying [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 2|Friends and Foes!}} The Decepticons later attacked the Autobots to stop them from sending some Mini-Cons back to Cybertron, and kind of succeeded. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|No Way Back!}} When Megatron went looking for Mini-Cons on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], he took Cyclonus and Demolishor with him. They didn't do much searching, though, as they soon ran into two Autobots sent to stop them. Cyclonus spent some time strafing [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] until he got his [[Rollbar (Armada)|own Mini-Con powerup]] and presumably defeated the crazy copter. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 6|Between Two Worlds!}}

The Decepticons remained on the Moon and built a new base, from which they prepared to fire missiles at the Autobot base on Earth. When the Autobots' Mini-Cons surrendered in exchange for their friends' lives, Cyclonus was sent to pick them up in a [[solar barge]] and take them to the Moon. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Earthshaker!}} Unfortunately, the Mini-Cons broke out during the trip and cut the cable connecting Cyclonus and the barge. When the Decepticon noticed, he prepared to destroy the pesky Mini-Cons, but was shot by [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]]'s electrical darts. This crashed his guidance systems, and he was sent floating aimlessly through space. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Lost in Space!}} Cyclonus crashed on the Moon's surface, where he was found by the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]]. The three Mini-Cons power-linked with him, taking control of his body in order to use it against the other Decepticons. As he was forced to bombard his headquarters and grapple with his leader, Cyclonus could do naught but plead that it wasn't his fault. Eventually, Starscream used a [[sonic destabiliser]] to disconnect the Destruction Team from him. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 9|Dawn of Destruction!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daran Norris]] (English)

When a [[Mini-Con]] signal drew the Decepticons to Earth, Cyclonus was deployed in the [[Amazon]] to find the signal's origin. The Autobots were not far behind, and once they reached the hilltop where the signal had originated, he revealed himself, declaring Earth to be Decepticon property before departing, leaving a [[Heavy Unit]] behind to deal with them.

After the defeat of [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] in [[Antarctica]], the Autobots returned to the Amazon, venturing deeper into the jungle to an ancient temple. There, Cyclonus attacked again, tossing the Autobots all across the temple's surroundings and strafing them in copter mode. Eventually, the Autobots managed to deal him a finishing blow that sent him spiraling out of control in copter mode as his internal components exploded. {{storylink|Transformers (PS2)|Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:Armada Cyclonus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Craaaaaaazy air-taxi!]]
*'''Cyclonus with Mini-Con Crumplezone''' (Deluxe, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MD-04'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, "gatling" missile, rotor blade

: Cyclonus transforms into a Cybertronian helicopter coloured in light blue, light grey with dark blue and gold accents. His Mini-Con [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]] can be attached to the front of his helicopter cockpit for added firepower. His primary [[gimmick]] is a trigger-activated gear assembly that runs through the length of the vehicle mode; pulling the trigger both spins the rotor blade and a gear system in the cockpit area. If Crumplezone is attached, the gears make his cannon move back and forth. Attaching a compatible geared Mini-Con to the square frame on the underside of his cockpit (any member of the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]], the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]], or [[Refute]]) allows the gear system to activate ''their'' gear-wheel gimmicks as well by pulling the trigger. Attaching Mini-Cons to the [[powerlinx]] plugs on either of his wing-mounted weapons pods launches a spring-loaded missile. In robot mode, attaching a Mini-Con to the plugs on either side of his legs will make a spring-loaded (non-firing) cannon pop up from his shins.

: The [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release of Cyclonus has some slight color differences from the [[Hasbro]], including a "separated" painted sigil, and a much brighter white plastic.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)|Buzzsaw]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/Cyclonus/cyclonus.htm More information on Cyclonus at TFU.info]''

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*'''Sandstorm w/ Cannon and Destruction Micron''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MS-04'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, "gatling" missile, rotor blade

: "Sandstorm" was sold both as an individual and in a multi-pack with the Destruction Mini-Con Team, whose gear-gimmicks were designed to function with Cyclonus's gearing system. All of the toys in the set are identical to their individual releases.

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*'''Cyclonus''' (Happy Meal toy, 2003)
**''Accessories'': Rotor

: Part of the McDonald's ''Armada'' promotion, this extremely simplified version of Cyclonus transforms into an assault helicopter. Rolling his vehicle form forward spins his rotor prop, which launches into the air after picking up enough speed, a gimmick like that of the ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Rotor Force]] toys. He could combine with the Happy Meal versions of [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] toys to form a "super vehicle".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/McCyclonus/cyclonus.htm More information on McDonald's Cyclonus at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Armada BTR MegatronCyclonus.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Let's make some crazy Energon!]]
*'''Megatron with Leader-1 and Cyclonus with Crumplezone''' (Built to Rule, 2003)

: Part of the largest ''Transformers'' series ''[[Built to Rule]]'' set, Cyclonus can be assembled into an assault helicopter, a robot, or whatever your imagination can do with the blocks provided. Cyclonus is the only ''Built to Rule'' "figure" that does not have some kind of missile launcher. He came with a block-version of his Mini-Con partner Crumplezone, as well as the larger Megatron with [[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]] model.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/BTRCyclonus/cyclonus.htm More information on ''Built to Rule'' Cyclonus at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Powerlinx Cyclonus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Still Crazy In Spite Of All These Gears.]]
*'''Powerlinx Cyclonus with Mini-Con Crumplezone''' (Deluxe, 2003)
**''Accessories'': Missile, "gatling" missile, rotor blade

: This [[redeco]] of Cyclonus uses mostly bright green plastic, as well as dark grey and chocolate-brown. He retains all of his original gimmicks and still has his Mini-Con partner. He may have been designed as something of a questionable [[homage]] to [[Springer (G1)|Springer]].<ref>[[Aaron Archer]], in an "Orson's World" post, once noted that if he had his way, he'd have named the toy as a new character called "Sprigger". We ''assume'' he actually meant "Springer"...</ref>

: This toy was not released as part of the normal ''Micron Legend'' series in Japan, but was straight-imported as a [[USA Edition]] exclusive to [[LaOX]] stores on [[September 27]]th, 2003.

: In November of 2003, US Toys "R" Us stores had special bonus pack Max-Con (Deluxe) toys, which came with a single bonus Mini-Con attached to the card over their sticker, for ''less'' than the price as a normal Max-Con during Toys "R" Us' post-Thanksgiving-day sale. Like Powerlinx [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], Powerlinx Cyclonus came with one of the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]] members: [[Dune Runner (Armada)|Dune Runner]], [[Iceberg]] or [[Ransack (Armada)|Ransack]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/PXCyclonus/cyclonus.htm More information on Powerlinx Cyclonus at TFU.info]''
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===Energon===
*'''Cyclonus with Mini-Con Crumplezone''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SD-03'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, "gatling" missile, rotor blade

: This is an "arctic camouflage" redeco of Cyclonus, presented in mostly shades of gray with black and purple. The majority of the paint applications are black and white in a camouflage pattern. He retains all of his gimmicks and Mini-Con partner.

: Released at the start of the Japanese ''Super Link'' line, this toy did not appear in the American ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' line until late 2004 as a [[KB Toys]] [[exclusive]], alongside the similarly-previously-''Super-Link''-only version of [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/Cyclonus/cyclonus.htm More information on KB Toys Cyclonus at TFU.info]''


[[Image:Energon Snowcat toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Does not come with Frostbite :(]]
*'''Snow Cat''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SD-10'''
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

:Snow Cat transforms into a ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' [[Snow Cat (G.I. Joe)|"Snow Cat" SAM half-track]]. He is cast in primarily white and light blue plastics, with clear and burgundy for accents. In vehicle mode, the front wheel-hubs and sideskirts can be lowered to form skis for the vehicle to travel on, while in robot mode the sideskirt-skis fold down from his feet to allow him to "ski" in robot mode. He features twin spring-loaded missile launchers available to him in both modes; in robot mode, they end up as a back-mounted over-shoulder assembly. Unusually for Transformers of this era, he has a visible cockpit interior with a partially frosted windshield and working windshield wiper, further homaging the ''G.I. Joe'' toy he was designed after.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/Snowcat/snowcat.htm More information on Snow Cat at TFU.info]''
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===Universe===
[[Image:TFU03-toy_SnowCat.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Snow Cat''' (Deluxe, 2005/2006)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: The ''Energon'' Snow Cat mold was redecoed in superdark blue with orange accents and released as an [[exclusive]] to [[KB Toys]] stores in 2005, along with a redeco of ''Energon'' [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]]. However, at the time KB was undergoing financial troubles, closing numerous stores across the United States, and it appears that the two toys did not make it to a great many of the stores that remained open. Many did make their way to Toy Liquidator outlets, a sub-company within KB mostly found in outlet malls. In 2006, it seems the toys finally made it to a wider distribution through the remaining KB stores.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Snowcat/snowcat.htm More information on ''Universe'' Snow Cat at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* According to the [[Transformers (PS2)|''Armada'' Playstation 2 game]] instruction booklet, Cyclonus's ''Armada'' body has the following statistics:

:Height: 19' 7" (17' 1" vehicle mode)
:Weight: 16,550 lbs
:Power: 1800 shaft horsepower
:Vehicle top speed: 190 mph

* The colors chosen for ''Universe'' Snow Cat emulate the colors of vehicles present in ''G.I. Joe'''s [http://www.yojoe.com/action/subteams/nightforce.shtml Night Force] sub-line. However, there was never a Night Force Snow Cat in the line.

* In the cartoon, Cyclonus NEVER had the right Mini-Con. In one episode, it is [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]] that he uses, while in another episode, it is [[Drill Bit (Armada)|Drill Bit]] (whom he refers to as Crumplezone).

* Snow Cat may have been originally intended as a separate character. [[Hasbro]] appears to have implied this is the case, saying that designing the toys before the show was completed led to "some characters not aligning together in the animation and toy expressions". <ref>[[Hasbro Q&A/August 2009: Answers]]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Sandstorm''' (サンドストーム ''Sandosutōmu''), '''Snowstorm''' (Snow Cat, スノーストーム ''Sunōsutōmu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Ciklonusz''' (''Armada''), '''Ciklon''' (''Energon'', "Cyclone"), '''Hósapka''' (Snow Cat, "Snow Cap")
*''Polish:'' '''Cyklotron''' (''Armada'')
*''Russian:'' '''Ciklon''' (Циклон, "Cyclone"), '''Snegohod''' (Snow Cat, Снегоход, "Snowmobile")

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Armada Decepticons]]
[[Category:Built to Rule]]
[[Category:Cybertron Decepticons]]
[[Category:Energon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Fast food exclusives]]
[[Category:KB Toys exclusives]]
[[Category:Unicron-related characters]]
[[Category:Universe Decepticons]]

Bumblebee (SG Animated)

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{{disambig3|Bumblebee}}
:''Bumblebee is an evil [[Autobot]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Shattered_glass_bumblebee_bust.jpg|thumb|150px|His lips are the only ones to rival [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]]'.]]

If the '''Bumblebee''' we've always known has been chipper and chatty, what does that make his negative counterpart? You guessed it. Quiet, back-stabbing, and prone to emit a cackle known only as "oil-curdling."

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' BotCon 2011 Attendee Lithographs===
Due to his size, Bumblebee would prefer to mop up after a battle, rather than actually do any fighting. He hates [[Isaac Sumdac (SG Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]] for his enslavement along with the other Autobots of his universe.<ref>BotCon 2011 Attendee Lithographs</ref>

==Notes==
* Bumblebee's coloration is based on [[BotCon 2007]]'s [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]] toy.
* Belonging to two entirely different, and previously unlinked franchises, Bumblebee and his continuity's [[Sari Sumdac (SG Animated)|Sari]] present a... bit of a classification problem.

==References==
{{reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Sumdac, Sari (SG Animated)}}
[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Fiction-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]

Talk:Showdown! The Fortress vs the Victory Unification

2011-09-02T21:37:17Z

Semysane:

What do you mean ''Japanese'' custom? Doesn't ''everyone'' take their shoes off when indoors? [[Special:Contributions/87.100.176.125|87.100.176.125]] 22:48, 1 September 2011 (EDT)
:No.c[[Special:Contributions/141.218.50.136|141.218.50.136]] 00:17, 2 September 2011 (EDT)
::That's not just a Japanese custom. It's pretty common to take your shoes off when you enter a person's home here, and I live in the far off mystical land of Canada. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:37, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race for the Mini-Con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|games]], [[Transformers: Exodus|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Transformers: Exodus|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Transformers: Exodus|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
I think that if they were in the game or in Exodus:The Offical History of the War for Cybertron, they should be labled (WFC),but if they poped into the Prime teley-show or comics, they should be labled (Prime).-[ [User:DinoDigger97|DinoDigger97]] 2:11 3 Apil 2011

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::After looking at them, I realized that they were Steve Stonebreaker's scans. I have contacted him and received permission to use them here. I'll be adding more soon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==
[[Image:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|300px|TOO MANY QUOTES]]
Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'd set a "soft" limit higher for 30-minute episodes {{m-}} around 10 quotes {{m-}} and I'd allow more than that if the episode was particularly well-written or quotable. I don't think there's any need for a low, hard limit, as I don't think lots of quotes hurt the wiki until we get into "quoting the whole darn episode" territory. Heck, in fact, I might favor a policy of ''judging each quote for itself.'' I.e., if a quote is good/noteworthy/illustrative/funny/wadeva, it can be kept, even if there are two dozen other quotes already. Each must stand on its merits, but there would be no hard cap. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, some episodes happen to have a lot of funny/significant/memorable lines, others don't. If we set a hard cap, we might be damning ourselves to a lot of pointless fights over which quotes deserve to be included under the arbitrary limit. I'm more in favor of making a list of criteria that we can point to when we weed lame quotes out.
:::::::::Oh, and I support making a template. ''Prime'' Soundwave is the best character I can think of to use, but Movie Bumblebee or G1 Wreck-Gar would also be appropriate. Or a shot of G1 Soundwave with a tape inside of him? Can't think of a good header, though...
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:49, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::I mainly suggested it as a starting point because if it comes down to putting each quote in place based on "which one we like more" the talk pages are going to be absolutely horrible. HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT MY FAVORITE QUOTE IT IS SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT. The "5 per 30 minutes" is just a suggestion - obviously an episode that's really funny or poignant can get more. Comics issues we could maybe use pagecount as a starting point. But basically, combine the two ideas. A list of criteria is a good idea, but we also need to avoid having like, thirty quotes for a given story, twelve of which are totally shitty. If we get over five-six quotes, it's time to think about trimming, just because seriously, 90% of TF fiction isn't that goddamned quotable - or there are better places for the quotes. "I don't rock and roll - I burn!" belongs on Inferno's page, not on the episode it appeared in. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:51, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Fair enough. Just so long as the number is sufficiently "soft" that we don't forget that our goal is high quality, not an arbitrarily low quantity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Exactly. Like I said, I think we can also judiciously use key ''character'' quotes on the ''characters''' pages. Some quotes are very episode/story specific, while others provide insight into a character's personality or mindset. I think that's a good way to winnow the chaff, you know? -hx at work not logged in gotta run
::::::::::::::The 5-6 quotes before we start trimming sounds good, especially if some more individual character based quotes can be moved to the character pages. The big problem I keep seeing with quotes is that too many people want to quote an entire scene. If it goes beyond 3 lines it's probably not what we mean by quote here. And even 3 lines is pushing it. These should really be a single line quip or a two line set up and pay off. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:22, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::5 to 6 sounds like a good starting point to me as well. Khajidha makes a good point about the definition of quote. That, along with Hooks' point about using key character quotes on that character's article, should be pointed out on [[Help:Example episode article]], once it exists. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:32, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
What about block quotes? The page for Transformers (2007) is full of them. I think there should be a limit on how long the quote can be.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 16:48, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
== Maybe a silly question, can we? ==

Ok, exposing my ignorance here, but isthere a way to search the wiki by alt-mode? If I wanted to know every TF that turns into a Helicopter say? There's not a "helicopter" catagory, so howwould I find them all? Thanks for any help.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:59, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:[[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]] covers some characters. There's been a few vague proposals to create a new hierarchy of categories for altmodes, but it would be a lot of work, and it's generally shouted down. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:08, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:I think the current best option if you want to do something like this is TFU.info's Identify section. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:00, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

==Grimlock letter==
[[Image:Grimlock letter.jpg|thumb|right]]
I recently acquired this and thought it's exactly the sort of thing we should be covering. I had no idea it even existed until a friend sent it to me and on that thought, should we add letters from Soundwave, Ratchet(?), Dreadwind and Blaster to the Holy Grails? Was there a similar response from the US comic, and do Titan still send these letters out today from Starscream? Enquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, he said he got Tailgate as his free mini-toy. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
:Good find. A letter from Grimlock is pretty awesome. That should go somewhere. The Letters Page page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:58, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::I've added a link from there; I'll type it up verbatim if we think it's justified? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 18:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

== Voice actors by series ==

We have a bunch of categories for voice actors by language, but I was wondering if we should have categories for voice actors by series? Would categories like "Beast Wars voice actors" and "Victory voice actors" be useful? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:27, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:That could be useful. It'd be better than looking up cast lists and opening up every character page, at least. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:30, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

::Sound like a nice idea to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

== "Just Stop" Notice? ==

Do we think there's a role for the following proposed user notice template, for users like Eagc7?

{{messagebox|image_name=War_War_Stop_It.jpg|image_width=225px|width=90%|header=Just Stop|message_text=Please stop editing this wiki. While you haven't done anything ban-worthy (yet), you are not a productive contributor. (The reasons ''why'' are above this notice on your talk page.) So, please, '''just stop.'''}}

Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:39, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:If one is created, I love this image for it! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::It seems a bit rude, but the image would be ''perfect'' if this is made. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:45, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:::If this gets phrased differently, I'd support it. Right now, the text's too rude. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it is meant to be rude and probably should be rude. This tag is designed to be placed on the talk pages of people who have seemingly ignored the multiple instances of other tags. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:57, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

I'm a little iffy on this proposal. I admit that Eagc7 has a very poor grasp of the English language, but I'm a little uncomfortable with telling a person to leave a site just because of that. If you look over his fiction edits (the ones you can read) the posts he has made are accurate, just...occasionally unreadable. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:02, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:I'm with SFH. Eagc7's English seems to be all over the place, but there are times when he gets it more or less correctly and only needs minor typo fixes. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:21, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
Whether a person's edits are bad enough (and bad enough all the time enough) to ask them to never post again seems like something that shouldn't be in the hands of, well, everybody. Putting a template up that says you're a bad speller or that you're not using Preview enough... that's pretty straight forward. But I dunno if I'm comfortable with giving us all a tool to shame each other off the wiki entirely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:In addition, if someone's edits are so bad (and so consistently bad) that they're more of a nuisance than they are helpful, then that person should probably just be gotten rid of, instead of getting the Middle Finger Personified In A Template. As Detour said, yeah, Eagc7's English could use some work, but he does enough good here that I don't think he's completely poison or anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:51, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
I could maybe get behind the idea of a "Stop editing until you've read the complaints on your user page" template for the blissfully unaware people constantly making edits that are being undone as soon as they make them whilst ignoring comments on their user page telling them what they're doing wrong. But a template like THIS, and this sort of behavior in general, is how we end up with trolls that come by and vandalize the wiki on a daily basis for years and years. We could avoid that sort of future headache by just not being all-out douchebags to people even if they're stupid and/or their contributions are annoying. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:15, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:I suppose the only problem with making a "read your talk page" template is that they'll never read it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:24, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::: I like this idea, too. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::Got me there. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:36, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:This will not go well. If someone's a real pest here, ban them. If they're being a pest but not quite that bad yet, notify them on their talkpage with whichever templates are already needed, and then if they don't clean up, ban them. We shouldn't be creating--publicly--an underclass of users. If you're allowed to have an account here, you're allowed to post--otherwise we look scummy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::This is basically every stereotype of this wiki and its userbase given textbox form. I love it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:33, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

The consensus seems to be against it, and the arguments are all good ones. (Kind of a pity, since the image was so perfect, but...) I withdraw the suggestion. Thanks all for weighing in! [[User:JW|JW]] 20:25, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:It is a good template despite the rudeness, but it is potentially necessary for extreme conditions as a last resort. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Is it possible that we could reuse that image for another template? Perhaps a Final Warning template, letting users know that if they don't cut their shit out, they're gonna get banned. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:42, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
: Clearly it should be used for a "stop edit/revert warring" template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:32, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

== Our Blogger blog? ==

To me it appears that our blog doesn't have much use. Our twitter sends out links to occasional pages and our facebook is an easy place to congregate and talk about TFs and not take up our talk pages, but the blog hasn't been used in over half a year.

I'm thinking using it to keep track of current trends and such. We could highlight pages that are being worked on, point out users who have been creating/adding a lot to pages (i.e. Geewunling creating minor GI Joe pages, Chris McFeely going crazy with the Japanese food tie-ins). This way an editor or lurker who happens to miss a few days can easily catch up rather than having to sift through the new pages and new files (and even then if a page has just had an entirely new writeup from a stub, it wouldn't show up there).

Any thoughts on this? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 14:21, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

:I think it would be a good way to draw attention to obscure and/or new stuff on the Wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:46, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think so, too, but there are questions left unanswered if we want to go ahead with this. Who would be given control over the posts? Should it be extra mod duties or instead given to some other veteran editors? If so, how many? Would we want weekly updates or something with less frequency? Overall, who is in the current position to grant other users the power to add posts. I can see this as a useful too, but like many things on this wiki, we need to come up with some sort of procedure before it comes to fruition. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

==TFwiki in the past week==
Could someone tell me why the TFwiki has been down/inaccessible for most of the time in the past week? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:04, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:I would wager "massive spikes in traffic, as DotM stuff hits," which has happened before.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::I thought traffic wouldn't be a likely cause since the third movie is still over a month away. Guess I was wrong. Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:::There's at least some clamor now that the toys are out there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:46, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::::Technical explanation or non-technical? Traffic HAS picked up a bit, the wiki hardware (such as it is) is slightly overtaxed, and we need to start doing some math on what we can separate into other servers, and how much it'll cost to do so.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:15, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::Cowboy time. We've moved the application server and cache to another box, and synced over the contents. If anything's missing, we can try to sync it over from the old webserver, but it wouldn't be off by more than a few minutes, so here's hoping that we're back in business!--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:43, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::No wonder the connection becomes smooth again recently. Nice Works!! --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, I'd noticed that the site was back to normal. Thanks for the hard work. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:52, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::Thanks for fixing our wiki! [[User:JW|JW]] 07:15, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Eagc7's movie comic section edits ==

Lately Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is good. However, Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is bad. I know he tries, but whenever he does this sort of thing, he just ends up creating work for somebody else to clean up, and frankly, it's easier to write stuff from scratch than it is to fix somebody's spelling & grammar, as well as trying to make the text fit the tone and style of the paragraphs surrounding it (which is important considering the Foundation comics take place during the other Movie prequel comics). I haven't read Foundation and Rising Storm, [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eagc7 so I can't fix all of this myself], but that seems like a fair bit of work to fix at a time when the wiki was experiencing random downtime and BotCon is rapidly approaching (meaning a good chunk of our regular editors will not be able to edit much, and in any case would be updating stuff about/from BotCon). Like I said, I know he's trying, and he's getting much better than he used to be, but... maybe he should leave fiction edits to the professionals. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:Take it up with him via his Talk Page or the E-mail a User link. If there's really a stylistic problem, then we need a Style Guide for new users to reference.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:04, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

==Page views==
Where have they gone? I believe that they have disappeared from down the pages since the move a few weeks ago. Can they be put back? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:09, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
: I don't recall pageviews... What in specific are you talking about? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:12, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::I guess [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Popularpages popular pages]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah those, how often a page has been visited. I kinda liked keeping tabs on relative popularity in pages (like how Mayumi and Shinichi ''never'' lost their 2:1 view ratio). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:24, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::The broken popular pages has apparently been a thing lately, as I noticed Abates was removing and re-adding the link to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] earlier this month. Maybe he knows more about it? --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 18:41, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::No more than anyone else. I noticed it was gone and removed it from the template, but then it came back when we did the move so I readded it. I guess it got removed again, possibly for performance reasons? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:58, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::If I had to make a poorly-educated guess, the pageview thing sounds exactly like one of the many things I had to remove from Shortpacked.com to keep it from lagging so so badly. Lots of neat little things like page tracking and stuff like that used to be on there, but they were more trouble, resources-wise, than they were worth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I didn't change anything, but I generally make it a point to keep away from the Mediawiki software config, for fear of breaking that which I don't understand. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:07, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::May have been Scout I guess? Looks like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableCounters $wgDisableCounters] got turned on at some point anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:02, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Wait, that WAS me. $wgDisableCounters is supposed to be off for squid-cached installations anyway, since it doesn't actually work when you add a cache. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 21:26, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Why is Melissa from Kiss Players on the same Page as Marissa Faireborn from G1? ==

I know they are some how connected ,but i see the two as different as G1 Starscream is to Animated Starscream ,maybe the same history ,but a little different.--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Michael Alex Kawa]] 10:43, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:They are related in the same way that Orion Pax is related to G1 Optimus Prime. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:51, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
: Marissa = Marissa. Same continuity and everything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:02, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== I don't know if this was what you are looking for when you asked for Kiss Players radio play translations ,but i hope this helps . ==

I found this on Youtube cause I LOVE Melissa and noticed in that Holy Grail thingy that you guys needed Kiss Players radio play translations .I hope this helps ,even if it doesn't it is still pretty cool and CUTE .I did not make it so that is noted .Here is the link so you guys can go and look to see if it what is needed ,it is the only one i can find ,if it helps i will try to find more .[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y]
--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 18:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

I also found this site ,it gives a brief description of the radio play ,again i hope this helps .[http://www.toyvey.com/kisskiss/radioplay/index.html]--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 14:32, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:I haven't looked at the material myself yet (I'm afraid it'll make me have to clean myself until I bleed to get the stain out) but if it's legit, then thank you very, VERY much. This stuff needs to be cataloged to serve as a warning to future generations. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:25, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

== The multiverse ==
So, at BotCon, Aaron Archer declared the Aligned continuity separate from the old, more meta multiverse. How does everyone want to approach this? Separate the aligned information about Primus, Unicron and the members of the 13, or keep it together for easy access and lack of confusion just as one article covers the various versions of the Matrix, or Energon, or the AllSpark? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:06, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:Wait for Japan to release some piece of fiction with Prime as part of the Multiverse, then ignore him with a clear conscience. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
::Huh. I never realized until now that Japan even had the Multiverse. I guess because they don't have as many universes. And they don't have collectors' club fiction. I vaguely knew there was crazy dimension hopping in Alternity, but I figured that was its own thing. But yup, it's right there on the Alternity page. Something about Hasbro-licensed fiction and Takara-licensed fiction sharing one big happy multiverse seems very, very weird to me. Anyway, I'll put an Alternity stub on the [[Multiverse]] page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:55, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Moving from Wikia ==

Hello guys, can anyone give me some advice about how to leave Wikia? I mostly need advice about easily moving content. I found that Wikia provides a database dump as an XML file with all page content except files, and with the page histories. I really need to have the page histories. I installed MediaWiki on my PC for testing, with EasyPHP for the database, and importing the XML file actually doesn't work. It says "Import failed: Loss of session data. Please try again." So I guess I set up my database too quickly and forgot some things. This was just for quick testing after all. Did you follow that template for moving, or something else? I'd really appreciate any advice and help from you! Cheers. [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:36, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:Right out of the gate, you need to go over EVERY page you download before you go live, because Wikia inserted code that provides linkbacks to Wikia in them, meaning your pages will be providing THEM with hits. I do not know exactly what process is involved, but it's a scumfuck move of theirs that you should be aware of. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:18, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
::Nice to know, thanks. But what about what I mentioned above? How do I start and all? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 17:46, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:::A helpful resource for leaving Wikia is the [http://awa.shoutwiki.com/ Anti-Wikia Alliance site], which has useful info on departing from Wikia. The "loss of session data" usually means that you just have to try again. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:02, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:I'm just the server architecture guy, so I can't help with the XML import, but let me warn you right now, Mediawiki for a moderate-traffic site is a PIG. Get a server geek to help you out, as we've got a buttload of cache, and STILL have performance issues from time to time. It's all stuff I can probably fix, if I ever have the free time to dedicate to the problem, but it's definitely a big old pain in the rear. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 08:27, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
::Shoutwiki has been down for some time now, so the Anti-Wikia Alliance can't really help... :/ McFly, you mean I shouldn't stick to Mediawiki? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:23, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I mean that you should make sure that whoever you've got really knows how to tweak your wiki installation to stand up to the traffic. Wikia is terrible at a great many things. Providing high-availability Mediawiki service to their userbase is NOT one of them.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 12:15, 24 June 2011 (EDT)

== Fiction Header Sprawl ==

[[Image:Proposal section headers.png|thumb]]
Our fiction sections (particularly for movie characters) feature a gob-smackingly large number of headers (apparently one for each miniseries.)

This can make it difficult to tell, as one's reading, is the next section is a new continuity or continues from the old one.

I propose a '''<tt><nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki></tt>''' template that could be used to mark fiction headers which continue from the previous section. Proposed markup follows:
===''Transformers'' 2007===
Mojo was a bling'd puppy.
<nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki>
===Revenge of the Fallen===
Mojo's got a bitch
In the above example the ROTF section would be marked by a "continued..." as in the image at right. (It's a CSS preceeding-content declaration. It could just as easily be an arrow, and indent, graying-back the header, a color, etc.)

The example at right is clumsy, but I thought I'd throw it out to see if anyone thought the '''idea''' had merit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:56, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:I'm seeing a flaw in this, in particular with movie fiction, since there are events in-between films that don't necessarily mesh with the movies themselves. Likewise, G1 characters popping up in BW fiction, where it seemingly continues both Marvel G1 and Sunbow G1. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:32, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
[[Image:Rs-lastpannel.jpg|thumb]]
::That is a flaw which arises from the way we structure our fiction sections.
::The IDW DOTM adaption, for instance, makes several slight tweaks to the story-- presumably to better fit its ongoing plans for tie-in comics. Thus 'Rising Storm' should ''not'' be followed by the DOTM movie... it should be followed by the DOTM movie '''adaption''' (See pic at right, which explicitly declares this.)
::There have historically been problems with this-- we didn't want lots of redundant sections in character bios, the 2007 adaption dumped most of the Quatar action despite these scenes obviously occurring in their continuity... etc. So there was a hodge-podge "let's make only ONE section for each movie..." approach adapted.
::That's not getting into how cludgy the mini-derived section titles are. Scenes in ''Foundation'' and ''Defiance'' interleave with one another, making them virtually impossible to properly wikify under the existing section-title bodge-up. What we ''really'' need are sections like 'Era of the Primes' 'Before the War' 'Exile in Space' al sitting under an "IDW Comics Continuity" header.
::(Why the hell the Titans books are listed in the ''middle'' of the IDW miniseries escapes me.)
::Whatever, our headers-- particularly for movie comics-- are broken. Above is one suggestion to render them less-so. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:47, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I can definitely get behind something to simplify our header layout for the movie characters - I actually proposed something similar years ago, shortly after ROTF came out, which if I recall right basically amounted to "describe the movies first, then subsequent to them, do a section for each continuity" - IDW all in one, Titan all in one, and so on, rather than the frustrating, fragmented attempted-chronological order we use now. It just about worked for TF1, but after ROTF, things have just gotten more and more messy. However, I will spit ''blood'' if we turn into Wookieepedia and start with those rubbish "In-fiction description of time period" headers. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:53, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Hrm in the what now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::He means header titles like 'Era of the Primes' which describe a fictional time period. I can agree that those aren't a very good idea for us, given that such eras don't exist across all continuities in a continuity family. Trying to blend the various continuities in such a way implies they're more similar than they are. McFeely's idea of putting the films together, then having section for each of the other continuities, makes more sense for the way Transformers fiction is handled continuity-wise. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:54, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::I'm fine with Chris's idea or maintaining the current status quo. I am however, adamantly against time period sections. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I'm thinking McFeely's proposal has the least problems when it comes to sorting messy fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:08, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Took a bit of a poke around to see if that old proposal was still around, and [[User:Chris_McFeely/ROTF_proposal|restored it]]. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive38|Here's]] what some people thought at the time. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:12, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Uploading of pngs ==

I wonder whether a warning when someone tries to upload a png would help. By the looks, taking the 'png' extension out of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions Manual:$wgFileExtensions] (Is Scout still handing MediaWiki configuration?) will cause the site to display a warning which you then have to continue through to upload the image. It's possible that people will just click through without reading it like with the "this is a huge file" warning, but it seems like it'd be worth a try. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:32, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:What's wrong with PNGs? I was under the impression that they worked. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:28, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
::Pngs use a compression method that is not well suited to screencaps, so a png screencap will be unnecessarily large compared to a jpg copy of the same screencap. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:59, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I've made the appropriate changes. Let's see if it makes a difference. (I doubt it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:57, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== MonacoBook Skin ==

Hello. Dota 6 here! I was wondering if the MonacoBook skin is a custom MediaWiki skin or can you actually download it from somewhere? --[[User:Dota 6|Dota 6]] 21:11, 29 July 2011 (EDT) Dota 6 signing out!

== What gives ==

Okay, I can see that maybe you don't find my jokes funny. I can accept that, but to simply "undo" my first edit to the wiki without comment is rude. Obviously I am not a vandal, I am not trying to cause harm. I have been reading this wiki for a few weeks, and I simply came to a page filled with ''terrible'' captions. Captions so bad that one actually asked for someone to think of something better. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Gold_Plastic_Syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=614367 This is the edit.] Maybe you don't see that as an improvement, but surely it is no worse than what was there. Even if you can't stomach all of them, surely you could simply fix one or two, instead of the entire edit. Surely you could at least leave a reasoning in the summary, or a message on my talk page saying "Thanks for the edit, but that isn't quite our style" or some-such. What is the point of having a wiki if you are simply going to smack new editors away without even having the respect to mention why? I understand that fighting vandalism is a hard and full-time job, but that is no reason to people with good intentions poorly. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 04:21, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Read this:[[Transformers_Wiki:Caption]]. Simply put, you need to do some actual work around here before messing with captions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 04:33, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Also, don't take it personally you weren't told why it was reverted. There's too many reverts in a day to bother to explain them all and it seems most anons and users-for-a-day simply don't care enough about their edit either to want to know why it was reverted, if they notice at all. If one cares, one can always ask - an explanation is guaranteed to be given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:59, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Bot request==
And we get a bot to change out all the instances of "Jusco" with "[[JUSCO]]", the proper capitalization for the stores? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:02, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
:There din't seem to be that many, so I went ahead and did 'em manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:45, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
::Do we still have a bot? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:29, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::...Um, I thought we had [[User:Deceptitran|your bot]]? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:44, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::And [[User:DNAVI]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:34, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::Oh, wait. DNAVI's owner thinks he's pretty much done with this place. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Decptitran's database structure got trashed when my site got deleted. ...I should probably fix it dome day. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:46, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== Interviews on External links ==

Flashback's recent plugging of his site's interview have struck my curiosity, what exactly is the standard for adding interviews to the external links on real-life people's articles? Anyone who's got an interview can add one, or do they have to be special interviews? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:If the interview adds relevant and interesting information to the person, I think it's ok in the external links section. If it's supporting a specific fact, then the reference format should be used.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:54, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think they should be primarily about (or at least have substantial coverage of) the subject's Transformers work. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::I think that should be the case too, unless the real-life person is tough to find any information on. I recently added an interview to Marlene Aragon's article that has nothing to do with Transformers, but does provide some information as to her age and her 'career' in voice acting. It wouldn't be interesting for anyone with a more prominent role in Transformers (or anything else), but since this is about everything the page can provide on her, it should stay. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:20, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:::That's interesting, it's the same reason I linked to an archived Allspark interview for Elaine To. There was no other information I could find about her anywhere else. But in regard to Flashback and his Realmcast interviews... I didn't listen to any of them in their entirety, but I listened to a third of the Michael Bell one, which can be summed up as both interviewer and interviewee complaining about the Michael Bay films daring to make the original voice cast audition for roles and then only using Cullen, and IDW's declining to go with that All Hail Megatron motion comic... So I'm really not certain these links really add anything other than a plug for Flashback's site. But if anyone else feels like listening to them and proving me wrong, go ahead, I don't mind. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Gif uploads blocked? ==

I keep getting a <tt>".gif" is not a permitted file type. Permitted file types are jpg, jpeg, ppt, ogg, ico, svg, ogg, psd, ttf, pdf, wav.</tt> when I try to upload a .gif.

Dis someone trip a flag in the settings, or have I just missed something? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:18, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think that's an unintended side effect from the PNG ban. McFeely should be able to fix it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:30, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::We banned PNG's? But they're occasionally useful!
::Can't we ban people who upload PNG's instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:39, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:::You can read a little upwards on it under "Uploading of pngs". I'm not sure what has been programmed to prevent PNG uploads, though. You'd have to ask McFeely. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm guessing you're meaning to type "McFly", not "McFeely," because I haven't a clue. /:) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:37, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Gah, $wgStrictFileExtensions must be set true. I only intended for my request to display it as a warning rather than preventing uploading of them altogether (you know, like when you upload an image which is too big). I guess MediaWiki doesn't have enough options to do what I was suggesting. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:28, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::::Bitch, bitch, bitch. (It's fixed, provided someone confirms that much. Drop any complaints on my Talk page, I've got a watchlist set on it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:46, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::For the record... fixed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Shout Factory Subs ==

Since these were looked over by the TF team at Hasbro, should we be making adjustments to episode titles, character names etc.? For example Fortress is now Cerebros, which is a major headache. Also, the episode titles on the subs (which we know Hasbro checked out) are often different from the titles on the guide on the inside cover. There's some other neat stuff, it seems like they intended to use the Hasbro names for the Battle Beasts and changed it back at the last minute, probably because Diamond Select has the Battle Beasts licence currently (Saber Sword Tiger slips through once, while he's called Platinum Tiger later). -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 09:15, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

==Manga vs. Comic==
We use the words "manga" and "comic" interchangeably when talking about Japanese comics, the most annoying example of which is that pages are usually disamb'd with "(manga)", but subsection titles usually end in "comic". Can we pick one word and stick with it? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:15, 25 August 2011 (EDT)

:Looking around some more, it seems the site had already incorporated a system of treating comic and manga differently, as we have a page on [[manga]], manga-specific categories and use "(manga)" as identifier in most relevant cases. So, I propose to go with "manga" consistently. Changes this would mean are:
# Moving all "(pack-in comic)" pages to "(pack-in manga)"
# Changing "comic" in subsection titles to "manga"
# Changing "comic" to "manga" in any piece of text talking about a manga
# Creating a manga images category (not sure if there's be much use to separate it in interior and cover images as with the comic images categories)
:The changes wouldn't be big, but I'm certain someone would ask me what I'm doing if I'd just go ahead. So, anyone got a problem with this? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:01, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

::I don't see why we need to make the distinction where it's pointless. All manga are comics. We should only use "manga" when we want to inform the reader that it's a Japanese comic, like in categories. The end of subsection titles, no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:35, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

:::I'm perfectly fine with just using "manga". If I recall correctly, that's how it used to be. We're far from weeaboos on the wiki, but the use of the word "manga" just conveys more information in the same space. Person reads article. Sees "Great Transformer War comic". Wonders what the heck is that I've never heard of it I've read all the comics. Person sees "Great Transformer War manga"? Immediately understands that it's a Japanese comic and that that's why they don't know what it is. Could they make an extra click or two and find that out anyway? Yeah, sure. But now they don't have to. Just as a for-instance. (And yet, perversely, I wouldn't agree with switching out "cartoon" for "anime" for the Japanese-original shows. Huh. Maybe this position ''isn't'' too defensible.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:55, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
::::I think I'd only be comfy calling a cartoon "anime" if it never aired on US televisions. Because the entire UT cartoon series WAS made with the very specific goal to air in the US. "anime" implies "meant for Japan, and maybe then later imported to the US" --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:49, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

:::::Actually, I'd prefer to call those Japanese animation "anime" instead of cartoon. I'd love to see using "anime" instead of "cartoon" for Japanese products (especially if we change all the [Japanese] comic into "manga"). Well, that's ''only'' what I think. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:36, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

::::I wondered if someone would bring thát up, but I am not suggesting we should separate anime and cartoon either. I would oppose such a change, and don't think it's comparable. The division between comic and manga is reasonably clearcut in content and production, with only a few ambigious cases (like the RM 3D diorama manga). Anime and cartoon are much more alike, not to mention a good portion of the cartoons TF has had thus far are a cooperation that can't well be placed in either category if one would decide to separate them.

::::Also, the suggestion to split comic and manga isn't one just based on inherent differences between the two. As it is, the wiki has a setup to consider manga and comic different things. Such a setup does not exist for anime and cartoon. My suggestion to separate manga and comic is largely based on the fact our current system is illogical and inconsistent (comic vs pack-in comic vs manga, Super-God Masterforce (manga) vs ''Super-God Masterforce'' comic) and that it should either be put in use thoroughly or abolished. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:26, 26 August 2011 (EDT)

:::::Peeps, I'm going to get stuck with my image sorting quest if I don't get clarity on this matter. One person is somewhat against, another is in favor but uncertain if he's right... Anyone else? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:48, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

::::::I'm in favor your idea, for what that's worth. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]]

:::::::That makes 2 yes, 1 semi-yes and 1 semi-no. Anyone else got a thought on the matter? Because with these results, I would kinda like starting some reorganizations (involving manga-comic separation) soon. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:47, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

::::::::I'd vote yes to Geewunling's suggestion. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 05:39, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::My comment counts as a no. I still don't think the distinction is necessary to point out in every event. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:57, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

== I feel the need to point this out ==

Yeah, I dunno why either, since I'm banned (thanks for being a dick, Walky), but I'll do it anyway.

A certain "Mr.Treason II" (known here as [[User:ArchtransitLightspeed333]] or [[User:Lolclerk5]]) has said this on another site:

"I've also imported my sock puppets on Metapedia, Wikifur and have set up accounts on Wikisage, Ohinternet, Encyc, '''TFWiki''' and MyWikiBiz to put Pro Gaddafi Pro Girlvinyl
Propaganda "

I figured this might interest y'all.

-Blackout-, using [[Special:Contributions/94.23.249.32|94.23.249.32]] 09:24, 30 August 2011 (EDT)
:We'll be fine. Thanks for being mature and professional about this, BTW -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:27, 2 September 2011 (EDT)

Hightower (ROTF)

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{{factions|decepticonfilm}}
{{disambig3|Hightower}}

:''Hightower is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image: Hightower_%28ROTF%29_concept.jpg|right|thumb|350px|Now why was this not acknowledged in any way except as a Legends toy?]]

'''Hightower''' transforms into a gigantic truss crane.

When combined with his fellow [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]], he forms the left arm of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]. When not combined, it is heavily disputed as to whether he can form ''himself''. Sometimes he needs help from a [[Unknown Constructicon shovel|friend]] to form Devastator's left arm.

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' (movie)===
[[Image:Constructicons-ROTFcanyon.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Best known as "Supplier of at least one of Devastator's balls."]]

During the climactic battle in [[Egypt]] between the Autobots, their human allies and [[The Fallen]]'s Decepticons, Hightower appeared in a quarry with the other Constructicons before merging into Devastator to attack former [[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Leo Spitz]], [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]. As Devastator smashed away at the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] after shrugging off Skids and Mudflap, Simmons called upon the [[United States Navy]] to fire upon the giant Decepticon. The [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Kidd (DDG-100)|U.S.S. ''Kidd'']] fired her experimental [[rail gun]], smashing one of his arms to pieces and destroying Devastator. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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==Toys==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Legends_Hightower.jpg|right|thumb|250px|He comes with a Hannibal Lecter facemask.]]
*'''Hightower''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D7'''

:Hightower and the six other Legends class Constructicons combine to form Devastator. In Japan, the Legends class Constructicons are sold individually. He forms the left arm of Devastator. He was redecoed as [[Hook (ROTF)|Hook]] in the G1 colored Devastator gift set.

*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends figure multi-pack, 2010)

:In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, the Legends Constructicons are sold together as a store [[exclusive]].
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====Combiner Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Devastator_combiner_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|So...do I have a robot mode or not?]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)

:Hightower transforms from a truss crane to one of Devastator's arms. in fiction and in the instructions, he forms the left arm. Like the other Constructicons in this set, he cannot transform into robot mode due to pricing, accuracy and stability concerns. He has the number "40777" next to his Decepticon symbol.

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====Mega Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF MegaPowerBots Devastator.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)
: [[Mega Power Bots]] Devastator is a simple toy for younger children, featuring plenty of playing sounds and flashing lights. His limbs have limited swivel articulation and do not detach into separate vehicles. He has a distinctly more humanoid stature than normal.

: Unlike regular [[Power Bots]], and unlike other portrayals of the character in general, Devastator features a transformation! It consists of putting his arms up and laying him flat on his stomach, which lets him roll around using the wheels on his limbs.

: Pressing down the Decepticon shield on his crotch (!) spins the vortex in his chest, lights up his eyes and makes him utter one of many Welker-recorded phrases, including [[The Transformers: The Movie|"Prepare for extermination!"]], "Crush Autobots!" and "I am Devastator!" Pressing on the crane of his excavator arm makes a cannon blast sound effect, while pressing the cab of his loader arm turns the scoop into claws.

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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Legends_green_Hightower.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends, 2010)

:A [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive Generation 1-themed redeco of Legends Devastator and his components. Unlike Takara's go at the same idea, Hightower (who retains his identity, unlike the Takara version which made him [[Hook (ROTF)|Hook]]) and the other Constructicons are mostly just lime green and gray, with the only bits of purple being their windshields. They do, however, have brown [[paint operation]]s on and around their treads/wheels to simulate dirt.

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==Merchandise==
===Burger King===
[[Image:ROTFMerchandise-BurgerKingHightower.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Who wants some butter?]]
*'''Devastator''' (2009)
:An extremely-simplified version of Hightower's vehicle mode is included as part of [[Devastator (ROTF)#Burger_King|Burger King Devastator]]. Though his ball socket is compatible with any of Devastator's limb connections, it's marked with a B to indicate he forms Devastator's left arm. Hightower seems to be the least [[Show-accuracy|movie accurate]] of the four limbs.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Grabby!]]
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)

:Hightower is the sculpted left arm of "Desert Devastation" Devastator, a super-sized ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' figure. He is only available in a multi-pack with [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] in their vehicle modes and [[William Lennox]].
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==Notes==
[[Image:Hightower ROTF T-rex concept.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The only reason this image isn't his main image is because it's minuscule.]]
* Like fellow Constructicon [[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]], Hightower had a robot mode designed for him at the concept stage, but he never transformed into robot mode in the movie itself, and indeed, artists for licensed work such as [[IDW Publishing]]'s [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' comic adaptation]] were unaware that he even had a robot mode. All the references they were provided with simply listed the Truss crane as having "no robot mode".
* On November 6 to November 8, 2009, a second piece of concept art of Hightower similar to his Legends toy (with small ''T. rex'' arms and a claw on his tail) were displayed at Bondi Beach in Sydney, [[Australia]] to promote the [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)/home video|DVD release]] of ''Revenge of the Fallen''. [http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showthread.php?p=137233#post137233]

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Hightower''' (ハイタワー ''Haitawā'')

[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Constructicons]]
[[Category:Transformers (2010) Decepticons]]

Long Haul (ROTF)

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{{factions|decepticonfilm}}
{{disambig3|Long Haul}}
:''Long Haul is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Long_Haul_ROTF_render.jpg|right|400px|thumb|The big, green, complaining machine.]]
'''Long Haul''' wishes he could spend more time in battle, destroying his enemies with projectile weaponry. Instead, he often finds himself stuck in the role of pack mule, lugging around the other Decepticons' gear. He finds this a highly loathsome task. So it isn't surprising that stuff left in his truck bed has a tendency to get lost in transit.

There are two of him, one of which forms the right leg of [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]], the other may or may not be also named "Long Haul". The Long Haul [[body-type]] is also shared with numerous yellow [[Constructicon Warrior]] [[drone]]s.

{{quote|I'm going to enjoy crushing you idiots.|Long Haul on his one joy|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Revenge of the Fallen: The Game]]''}}

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===
Long Haul's body type was one of the early "construction drones" used to build [[star harvester]]s. One of the Long Hauls joined [[The Fallen]]'s original Decepticons. It was him who discovered [[human]]s on Earth, remarking there were a number of these breakable creatures out there and remarking they weren't "tough like ''us''". When Jetfire ordered work on the harvester to be stopped, as they couldn't kill a living world, Long Haul told him to bog off.

Jetfire turned on the Fallen over this, and so the construction drones were ordered to take him out. Unfortunately for Long Haul, ''he'' got taken out. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 3}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
[[Image:ROTFMegatronrebirth.jpg|thumb|left|250px|"'Get this.' 'Bring that.' I thought I was finally gonna ''build'' somethin'!"]]
After the [[AllSpark]] shard was retrieved from [[NEST]]'s secure bunker at [[Diego Garcia]], Long Haul, [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]], [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]], [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]] secreted themselves aboard the ''[[Bayos]]'' freighter heading towards the North Atlantic. Once the ship passed over the [[Laurentian Abyss]], the Decepticons jumped overboard and dived down to where [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] broken body lay. Scalpel ordered the death of the smallest Constructicon to rebuild Megatron, a request that Long Haul and the others obliged with. Soon, Megatron was reborn!

[[Image:LongHaul-ROTFlooksforSam.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Not exactly the scouting type.]]
Some time later, Long Haul and another Constructicon with the same [[body-type]] were present during [[Operation: Firestorm]] in [[Egypt]]. The other Long Haul and several other Constructicons waited in a quarry in their construction vehicle disguises until the [[human]]s [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Leo Spitz]] and their Autobot guardians [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] approached. The Constructicons [[combiner|combined]] into the mighty Devastator and attacked.

[[Image:ROTF Long Haul death.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Well ''of course'' he complained about this.]]
Elsewhere, Long Haul joined [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and the other Decepticons in their search for [[Sam Witwicky]] and the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Long Haul, being one of the biggest bots in the group, fought against the NEST forces in the Egyptian town near the great ruins of the pyramids, killing many soilders and even shooting down a Jordanian helicopter. Meanwhile, [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] had shrugged off the Autobot twins and was busy demolishing the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]] when Simmons called upon the [[United States Navy]] to attack Devastator. The [[United States Navy#U.S.S. Kidd (DDG-100)|U.S.S. ''Kidd'']] fired her experimental [[rail gun]], smashing one of his arms to pieces and destroying Devastator. Long haul was destroyed soon after during the [[United States Air Force]] air strike on the remaining decepticons, being heavily damaged by a direct hit from a missile and finished off by the carpet bombing of the Egyptian town.{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===''Dark of the Moon'' movie===
[[Image:DOTM-LongHaul.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Man, these guys are all over.]]
[[Igor]], the sycophantic head-with-legs who kept Megatron company at his [[Africa]] hideout, may have originally been the head of one of the Long Hauls who perished in the Egypt battle.

A Decepticon who shared Long Haul's protoform body-type was hiding under the surface of [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]] with scores of other troops. Once [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] activated the [[space bridge]] pillars, he and his hidden brethren were able to cross over from the moon to [[Washington, D.C.]].

The [[garbage truck Decepticon]] also resembled Long Haul.

The Long Haul was present during the Decepticons' occupation of [[Chicago]]. [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] destroyed him in a magnificent, mile-long rampage that left several Decepticons dead. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Neil Kaplan]]

====Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC====
=====Decepticon campaign=====
[[Image:ROTFgame_360PS3PC_LongHaul_shanghai.jpg|thumb|300px|Finally I get to blow something up!]]

Long Haul served as the Decepticons' ground-based heavy-hitter, with his long-range [[charged grenade]]s and flamethrower. He could also initiate a combat repair sequence that would rapidly regenerate his health, much like the Autobot [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]'s repair ability.

After [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] cleared out most of the [[Protectobot Scout|Protectobots]] from [[Shanghai]] construction area, Long Haul was deployed to upload a virus into all of the [[NEST]] communications arrays in the area. Soon after, Long Haul was sent to the Shanghai spiral highway to destroy two NEST field headquarters and their defenders, drawing the Autobot [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] out into the open. Both combatants were roughly evenly matched, but Long Haul's long-range charged grenades and his combat repair sequence gave him the edge to defeat Ironhide this time. Long Haul was soon sent back to the spiral highway to follow in the wake of a cloaked Autobot probe, which was, to add insult to injury, created by salvaging Decepticon technology. The Decepticon shrugged off attacks by the Autobot defenders, chased after the probe and destroyed it when it revealed itself.

Later, Long Haul was sent to the [[United States of America|United States]] West Coast oil refinery to capture the human female known as [[Mikaela Banes]], who might know the location of an [[AllSpark|AllSpark fragment]]. He destroyed numerous buildings to force the engineers to evacuate, then brought them to an interrogator probe that plumbed the minds of these primitive organic beings. Though none of the subjects survived the torture, one did provide the location of the human female before he expired, and Long Haul was able to capture her. Unfortunately, she was rescued by the Autobots soon after Long Haul left the area.

After Megatron's glorious resurrection, Long Haul was deployed to the East Coast industrial area to chase after and destroy yet another cloaked Autobot probe. Soon after, he was sent to the East Coast city with the L-train to send a message to the pathetic humans that their NEST and the Autobots could not protect them. Despite overwhelming odds, Long Haul attacked and destroyed the primitive power plant and the crude televisual broadcasting station.

Following their journey to Egypt, the Decepticons discovered that the Autobot collaborators had given the human insects the [[Axiom Gun]], which was being used in [[Cairo]] to attack the Decepticons. Furious, Megatron ordered Long Haul to destroy the weapon. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

=====Autobot campaign=====
At the Shanghai spiral highway, Ironhide was eager for payback for his earlier defeat at the hands of Long Haul. He destroyed the [[Combaticon (ROTF)|Combaticon]] units assigned to the area to draw Long Haul out, then the two titans went to town on each other. Once again, both were roughly evenly matched in terms of physical strength and firepower, but in the end, Ironhide's experience and cunning prevailed.

{{Note|As well as the "main" green Long Haul, there were also several ''yellow'' Long Haul [[Constructicon Warrior]] units that were a constant pain for the Autobot forces. These units were equipped with an [[Energon Wave Cannon]] similar to [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]'s. Also, Long Haul himself has an alternate color scheme which matches the Warrior's paint job, albeit with Long Haul's abilities.}} {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Legends_LongHaul.jpg|thumb|300px|"Gimme an H!"]]
*'''Long Haul''' (EZ Collection DX, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''D6'''

:Long Haul and the six other Legends class Constructicons combine to form Devastator. In Japan, the Legends class Constructicons are sold individually. He forms Devastator's right leg.

*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends figure multi-pack, 2010)

:In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, the Legends Constructicons are sold together as a store [[exclusive]].
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[[Image:ROTFLegends_LongHaulG1Colors.JPG|thumb|300px|]]
*'''EZ Collection Devastator - G1 Colors Version''' (Legends, 2010)
:Takara will reissue the seven Legend class Constructicons in G1 inspired green and purple color schemes.

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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Voyager_LongHaul.jpg|thumb|300px|You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but don't let this friend pick your nose.]]
*'''Long Haul''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-17'''

:Part of ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Voyager Class wave 5, Long Haul transforms from a green genericized "earth mover" dump truck with a functional truck bed into a bulky robot mode. In robot mode, he has three [[Mech Alive]] gimmicks in which turning his head also turns a cog in his chest, while bending his elbows moves some pistons and finally the "springs" connected to his feet move inwards when moving them. Only the piston gimmick is advertised on the packaging. Meanwhile, each forearm houses a spring-loaded flip-out sword.

:Long Haul was packaged in vehicle mode in very limited numbers before a [[running change]] packaged him in robot mode.

:This mold was later [[redeco]]ed to make the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]]'s [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]].
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====Combiner Class toys====
[[Image:ROTF Devastator combiner toy.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)

:The roughly [[size class|Deluxe size]] Long Haul dump truck transforms into Devastator's right leg. Due to cost, stability and design concerns, the Long Haul truck cannot turn into a robot itself. He can only form the right leg unless you want a backwards walking Devastator.
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====Fast Action Battlers====
[[Image:Long Haul ROTF FAB.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Long Haul smash!]]
*'''Devastation Blast Long Haul''' (Fast Action Battler, 2009)

: Part of the ''[[Fast Action Battlers]]'' subline, "Devastation Blast" Long Haul is a simplified toy aimed at younger children. His main [[gimmick]] is a "punching" attack that causes his right arm to extend, activated by pushing a button on his shoulder. Due to this gimmick, his right arm has no elbow joint.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/FABLongHaul/longhaul.htm More information on Devastation Blast Long Haul at TFU.info]''

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====Mega Power Bots====
[[Image:ROTF MegaPowerBots Devastator.jpg|right|300px|thumb| Wow, and we thought Gravity Bots were simplistic.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (2009)
: Mega [[Power Bots]] Devastator is a simple toy for younger children, featuring plenty of playing sounds and flashing lights. His limbs have limited swivel articulation and do not detach into separate vehicles. He has a distinctly more humanoid stature than normal.

: Unlike regular [[Power Bots]], and unlike other portrayals of the character in general, Devastator features a transformation! It consists of putting his arms up and laying him flat on his stomach, which lets him roll around using the wheels on his limbs.

: Pressing down the Decepticon shield on his crotch (!) spins the vortex in his chest, lights up his eyes and makes him utter one of many Welker-recorded phrases, including [[The Transformers: The Movie|"Prepare for extermination!"]], "Crush Autobots!" and "I am Devastator!" Pressing on the crane of his excavator arm makes a cannon blast sound effect, while pressing the cab of his loader arm turns the scoop into claws.
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===Transformers (2010)===
====Legends Class toys====
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Legends_Long_Haul.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Long Haul''' (Legends, 2010)

:This Legends class Long Haul is an all-new mold that is different from the Legends class Long Haul that came with Legends class Constructicon Devastator. Because he is not encumbered with the need to combine, both his robot and vehicle modes are much more accurate and detailed.

:This mold was also used to make the Japanese-exclusive Legends Class [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]].

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[[Image:TF2010-toy_Legends_combiner_Long_Haul.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"Green again?", Long Haul sighed to himself. While he would never admit it, he was beginning to feel jealous of [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]'s constant color shifting.]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Legends figure giftset, 2010)

:A [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive Generation 1-themed redeco of Legends Devastator and his components. Unlike Takara's go at the same idea, the Constructicons have few purple details, though this doesn't change Long Haul much. He doesn't have a gray grill anymore, though he does get brown [[paint operation]]s on and around his wheels to simulate dirt.

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*'''Megatron Rising''' (Figure multi-pack)

:This retailer exclusive multi-pack recreated the scene in ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' where the Constructicons resurrect Megatron. The Long Haul figure itself appears to be an unchanged version from the Revenge of the Fallen release of the Legends Constructicon Devastator combiner figure, and comes packed with (apparently) similarly unchanged Constructicon Devastator figures of [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]], [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]], a red redeco of [[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scrapper]], who was probably intended to be [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|Scrapmetal]], and a metallic green redeco of Voyager class Megatron

:It has never been revealed for which retailer this multi-pack was intended for.
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==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Robot Heroes====
[[Image:RobotHeroes_BumblebeeLongHaul.JPG|right|300px|thumb|]]
*'''Bumblebee and Long Haul''' (2009)

:''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Long Haul is a [[super deformed]] figure with limited articulation in his neck and shoulders. He came in a two-pack with [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].

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[[Image:rotf_desertdevastation_rh.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Stompy!]]
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)

:Long Haul is the sculpted right leg of "Desert Devastation" Devastator, a super-sized ''Robot Heroes'' figure. He is only available in a multi-pack with [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] in their vehicle modes and [[William Lennox]].

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====Burger King====
[[Image:ROTFMerchandise-BurgerKingLongHaul.jpg|thumb|right|200px|I think it's gone bad...]]
*'''Devastator''' (2009)
:An extremely-simplified version of Long Haul's vehicle mode is included as part of [[Devastator (ROTF)#Burger_King|Burger King Devastator]]. His bucket is hollow and capable of carrying material, however its pinched shape prevents it from carrying much. Though his ball socket is compatible with any of Devastator's limb connections, it's marked with a C to indicate he forms Devastator's right leg.
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====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
[[Image:ROTF-toy_RPM_LongHaul.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Long Haul''' (2009)
**''Series:'' '''Combat Series'''
**''Number:'' '''04 of 04'''

:''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' Long Haul is a small, ''Hot Wheels''-style dump truck. While he can't transform, his robot mode is sculpted on the truck's underside alongside his name and a Decepticon insignia. His truck bed is articulated and his wheels feature through-axle construction that lets him roll smoothly on flat surfaces. The truck is decorated with the number 0728, unlike the Voyager-class toy which features the number 1214.
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[[Image:RPMOptimusPrimeVsDesertLongHaul.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Optimus Prime Vs. Desert Long Haul''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series 2'''
**''Number:'' '''04 of 06'''

:Mini-Vehicle Long Haul was redecoed in desert-themed colors as part of a two-pack with [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Notably, while both the card-art and the back of the package photography depict Desert Long Haul as being yellow (like [[Payload_(Movie)#Transformers_.282010.29|Payload]]), the toy itself is actually sandy tan.
:This two-pack was either not shipped to stores in the United States at all or saw extremely limited distribution. It was mainly available in foreign markets, such as Europe.

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===SpeedStars===
[[Image:SpeedStarsOptimusPrimeVsDesertLongHaul.jpg|thumb|300px|Orange you glad I'm being sold in stores?]]
*'''Optimus Prime Vs. Desert Long Haul''' (2010)
**''Series:'' '''Battle Series 2'''
**''Number:'' '''04 of 06'''

:For the SpeedStars release of the Battle Series 2 range, Mini-Vehicle Desert Long Haul went from the tan of its ''Robot Powered Machines'' iteration to orange. While the vehicle mode card art reflected this change, the robot mode card art did not, remaining yellow.

:Like all the other SpeedStars vehicles that had once been sold as RPMs, Desert Long Haul has fewer paint applications than its predecessor.
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==Notes==
*Artist [[Josh Nizzi]] attracted the attention of [[Hasbro]]'s ''Transformers'' design director [[Aaron Archer]], director [[Michael Bay]] and the ''Transformers'' [[fandom]] when he created a "movie-style" design for Long Haul in [[2007]]. Nizzi's work impressed Hasbro and the director enough for him to be hired as a concept artist and for his Long Haul design to actually be used for the character in the movie, associated media and merchandise. It was the very first design approved for ''Revenge of the Fallen''.<ref>[http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2009/06/23/champaign_native_realizes_dream_with Josh Nizzi interview at News-Gazette.com, June 23, 2009]</ref>
* In the original fanart by [[Josh Nizzi]], Long Haul's [[alternate mode]] is a [[Wikipedia:Caterpillar 797|CAT 797]], with an overall length of 14.5m / 47.67ft. However, the vehicle which becomes the left leg of Devastator is a smaller CAT 773B with an overall length of 10.3m / 33.5ft. Either this was a change made during the adaptation from art to CGI, or the two Long Hauls are in fact different vehicles.
* On the [[cross-sell]] for "[[The Fury of Fearswoop]]" multipack, Long Haul is mistakenly given the name "[[Longarm (disambiguation)| Long Arm]]", and is listed as an [[Autobot]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Long Haul''' (ロングハウル ''Rongu Hauru'')

==References==
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[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Fandom]] 
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Constructicons]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Transformers (2010) Decepticons]]

Talk:Soundwave (SG)

2011-08-30T03:22:47Z

Semysane:

I get just a blank page when I try to read the article, but all other aspects seem to work fine. Is this something I can fix?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 19:32, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:It is something Suki can work on if you point it out to her at [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal/Arriving2]]--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:35, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

We need to make this art official so we can use it: [http://zeromayhem.deviantart.com/art/Soundwave-and-Stage-Dive-144030643 Evan Gauntt's DA page] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:46, 20 December 2009 (EST)

:It will be great for Soundwave's mainpic! --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:45, 20 December 2009 (EST)

== Title ==

Lol, I was like "WTF is this?" when I saw this while searching for ROTF Soundwave. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 06:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Why isn't this guy and the other Shattered Glass guys considered Hall of Famers
:Because they are the complete polar opposites of the Hall of Fame characters. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:22, 29 August 2011 (EDT)

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2011-08-28T00:54:50Z

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== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race for the Mini-Con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|games]], [[Transformers: Exodus|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Transformers: Exodus|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Transformers: Exodus|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
I think that if they were in the game or in Exodus:The Offical History of the War for Cybertron, they should be labled (WFC),but if they poped into the Prime teley-show or comics, they should be labled (Prime).-[ [User:DinoDigger97|DinoDigger97]] 2:11 3 Apil 2011

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::After looking at them, I realized that they were Steve Stonebreaker's scans. I have contacted him and received permission to use them here. I'll be adding more soon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==
[[Image:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|300px|TOO MANY QUOTES]]
Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'd set a "soft" limit higher for 30-minute episodes {{m-}} around 10 quotes {{m-}} and I'd allow more than that if the episode was particularly well-written or quotable. I don't think there's any need for a low, hard limit, as I don't think lots of quotes hurt the wiki until we get into "quoting the whole darn episode" territory. Heck, in fact, I might favor a policy of ''judging each quote for itself.'' I.e., if a quote is good/noteworthy/illustrative/funny/wadeva, it can be kept, even if there are two dozen other quotes already. Each must stand on its merits, but there would be no hard cap. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, some episodes happen to have a lot of funny/significant/memorable lines, others don't. If we set a hard cap, we might be damning ourselves to a lot of pointless fights over which quotes deserve to be included under the arbitrary limit. I'm more in favor of making a list of criteria that we can point to when we weed lame quotes out.
:::::::::Oh, and I support making a template. ''Prime'' Soundwave is the best character I can think of to use, but Movie Bumblebee or G1 Wreck-Gar would also be appropriate. Or a shot of G1 Soundwave with a tape inside of him? Can't think of a good header, though...
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:49, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::I mainly suggested it as a starting point because if it comes down to putting each quote in place based on "which one we like more" the talk pages are going to be absolutely horrible. HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT MY FAVORITE QUOTE IT IS SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT. The "5 per 30 minutes" is just a suggestion - obviously an episode that's really funny or poignant can get more. Comics issues we could maybe use pagecount as a starting point. But basically, combine the two ideas. A list of criteria is a good idea, but we also need to avoid having like, thirty quotes for a given story, twelve of which are totally shitty. If we get over five-six quotes, it's time to think about trimming, just because seriously, 90% of TF fiction isn't that goddamned quotable - or there are better places for the quotes. "I don't rock and roll - I burn!" belongs on Inferno's page, not on the episode it appeared in. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:51, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Fair enough. Just so long as the number is sufficiently "soft" that we don't forget that our goal is high quality, not an arbitrarily low quantity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Exactly. Like I said, I think we can also judiciously use key ''character'' quotes on the ''characters''' pages. Some quotes are very episode/story specific, while others provide insight into a character's personality or mindset. I think that's a good way to winnow the chaff, you know? -hx at work not logged in gotta run
::::::::::::::The 5-6 quotes before we start trimming sounds good, especially if some more individual character based quotes can be moved to the character pages. The big problem I keep seeing with quotes is that too many people want to quote an entire scene. If it goes beyond 3 lines it's probably not what we mean by quote here. And even 3 lines is pushing it. These should really be a single line quip or a two line set up and pay off. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:22, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::5 to 6 sounds like a good starting point to me as well. Khajidha makes a good point about the definition of quote. That, along with Hooks' point about using key character quotes on that character's article, should be pointed out on [[Help:Example episode article]], once it exists. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:32, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
What about block quotes? The page for Transformers (2007) is full of them. I think there should be a limit on how long the quote can be.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 16:48, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
== Maybe a silly question, can we? ==

Ok, exposing my ignorance here, but isthere a way to search the wiki by alt-mode? If I wanted to know every TF that turns into a Helicopter say? There's not a "helicopter" catagory, so howwould I find them all? Thanks for any help.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:59, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:[[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]] covers some characters. There's been a few vague proposals to create a new hierarchy of categories for altmodes, but it would be a lot of work, and it's generally shouted down. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:08, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:I think the current best option if you want to do something like this is TFU.info's Identify section. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:00, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

==Grimlock letter==
[[Image:Grimlock letter.jpg|thumb|right]]
I recently acquired this and thought it's exactly the sort of thing we should be covering. I had no idea it even existed until a friend sent it to me and on that thought, should we add letters from Soundwave, Ratchet(?), Dreadwind and Blaster to the Holy Grails? Was there a similar response from the US comic, and do Titan still send these letters out today from Starscream? Enquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, he said he got Tailgate as his free mini-toy. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
:Good find. A letter from Grimlock is pretty awesome. That should go somewhere. The Letters Page page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:58, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::I've added a link from there; I'll type it up verbatim if we think it's justified? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 18:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

== Voice actors by series ==

We have a bunch of categories for voice actors by language, but I was wondering if we should have categories for voice actors by series? Would categories like "Beast Wars voice actors" and "Victory voice actors" be useful? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:27, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:That could be useful. It'd be better than looking up cast lists and opening up every character page, at least. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:30, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

::Sound like a nice idea to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

== "Just Stop" Notice? ==

Do we think there's a role for the following proposed user notice template, for users like Eagc7?

{{messagebox|image_name=War_War_Stop_It.jpg|image_width=225px|width=90%|header=Just Stop|message_text=Please stop editing this wiki. While you haven't done anything ban-worthy (yet), you are not a productive contributor. (The reasons ''why'' are above this notice on your talk page.) So, please, '''just stop.'''}}

Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:39, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:If one is created, I love this image for it! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::It seems a bit rude, but the image would be ''perfect'' if this is made. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:45, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:::If this gets phrased differently, I'd support it. Right now, the text's too rude. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it is meant to be rude and probably should be rude. This tag is designed to be placed on the talk pages of people who have seemingly ignored the multiple instances of other tags. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:57, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

I'm a little iffy on this proposal. I admit that Eagc7 has a very poor grasp of the English language, but I'm a little uncomfortable with telling a person to leave a site just because of that. If you look over his fiction edits (the ones you can read) the posts he has made are accurate, just...occasionally unreadable. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:02, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:I'm with SFH. Eagc7's English seems to be all over the place, but there are times when he gets it more or less correctly and only needs minor typo fixes. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:21, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
Whether a person's edits are bad enough (and bad enough all the time enough) to ask them to never post again seems like something that shouldn't be in the hands of, well, everybody. Putting a template up that says you're a bad speller or that you're not using Preview enough... that's pretty straight forward. But I dunno if I'm comfortable with giving us all a tool to shame each other off the wiki entirely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:In addition, if someone's edits are so bad (and so consistently bad) that they're more of a nuisance than they are helpful, then that person should probably just be gotten rid of, instead of getting the Middle Finger Personified In A Template. As Detour said, yeah, Eagc7's English could use some work, but he does enough good here that I don't think he's completely poison or anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:51, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
I could maybe get behind the idea of a "Stop editing until you've read the complaints on your user page" template for the blissfully unaware people constantly making edits that are being undone as soon as they make them whilst ignoring comments on their user page telling them what they're doing wrong. But a template like THIS, and this sort of behavior in general, is how we end up with trolls that come by and vandalize the wiki on a daily basis for years and years. We could avoid that sort of future headache by just not being all-out douchebags to people even if they're stupid and/or their contributions are annoying. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:15, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:I suppose the only problem with making a "read your talk page" template is that they'll never read it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:24, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::: I like this idea, too. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::Got me there. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:36, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:This will not go well. If someone's a real pest here, ban them. If they're being a pest but not quite that bad yet, notify them on their talkpage with whichever templates are already needed, and then if they don't clean up, ban them. We shouldn't be creating--publicly--an underclass of users. If you're allowed to have an account here, you're allowed to post--otherwise we look scummy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::This is basically every stereotype of this wiki and its userbase given textbox form. I love it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:33, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

The consensus seems to be against it, and the arguments are all good ones. (Kind of a pity, since the image was so perfect, but...) I withdraw the suggestion. Thanks all for weighing in! [[User:JW|JW]] 20:25, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:It is a good template despite the rudeness, but it is potentially necessary for extreme conditions as a last resort. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Is it possible that we could reuse that image for another template? Perhaps a Final Warning template, letting users know that if they don't cut their shit out, they're gonna get banned. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:42, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
: Clearly it should be used for a "stop edit/revert warring" template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:32, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

== Our Blogger blog? ==

To me it appears that our blog doesn't have much use. Our twitter sends out links to occasional pages and our facebook is an easy place to congregate and talk about TFs and not take up our talk pages, but the blog hasn't been used in over half a year.

I'm thinking using it to keep track of current trends and such. We could highlight pages that are being worked on, point out users who have been creating/adding a lot to pages (i.e. Geewunling creating minor GI Joe pages, Chris McFeely going crazy with the Japanese food tie-ins). This way an editor or lurker who happens to miss a few days can easily catch up rather than having to sift through the new pages and new files (and even then if a page has just had an entirely new writeup from a stub, it wouldn't show up there).

Any thoughts on this? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 14:21, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

:I think it would be a good way to draw attention to obscure and/or new stuff on the Wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:46, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think so, too, but there are questions left unanswered if we want to go ahead with this. Who would be given control over the posts? Should it be extra mod duties or instead given to some other veteran editors? If so, how many? Would we want weekly updates or something with less frequency? Overall, who is in the current position to grant other users the power to add posts. I can see this as a useful too, but like many things on this wiki, we need to come up with some sort of procedure before it comes to fruition. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

==TFwiki in the past week==
Could someone tell me why the TFwiki has been down/inaccessible for most of the time in the past week? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:04, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:I would wager "massive spikes in traffic, as DotM stuff hits," which has happened before.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::I thought traffic wouldn't be a likely cause since the third movie is still over a month away. Guess I was wrong. Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:::There's at least some clamor now that the toys are out there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:46, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::::Technical explanation or non-technical? Traffic HAS picked up a bit, the wiki hardware (such as it is) is slightly overtaxed, and we need to start doing some math on what we can separate into other servers, and how much it'll cost to do so.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:15, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::Cowboy time. We've moved the application server and cache to another box, and synced over the contents. If anything's missing, we can try to sync it over from the old webserver, but it wouldn't be off by more than a few minutes, so here's hoping that we're back in business!--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:43, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::No wonder the connection becomes smooth again recently. Nice Works!! --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, I'd noticed that the site was back to normal. Thanks for the hard work. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:52, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::Thanks for fixing our wiki! [[User:JW|JW]] 07:15, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Eagc7's movie comic section edits ==

Lately Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is good. However, Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is bad. I know he tries, but whenever he does this sort of thing, he just ends up creating work for somebody else to clean up, and frankly, it's easier to write stuff from scratch than it is to fix somebody's spelling & grammar, as well as trying to make the text fit the tone and style of the paragraphs surrounding it (which is important considering the Foundation comics take place during the other Movie prequel comics). I haven't read Foundation and Rising Storm, [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eagc7 so I can't fix all of this myself], but that seems like a fair bit of work to fix at a time when the wiki was experiencing random downtime and BotCon is rapidly approaching (meaning a good chunk of our regular editors will not be able to edit much, and in any case would be updating stuff about/from BotCon). Like I said, I know he's trying, and he's getting much better than he used to be, but... maybe he should leave fiction edits to the professionals. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:Take it up with him via his Talk Page or the E-mail a User link. If there's really a stylistic problem, then we need a Style Guide for new users to reference.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:04, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

==Page views==
Where have they gone? I believe that they have disappeared from down the pages since the move a few weeks ago. Can they be put back? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:09, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
: I don't recall pageviews... What in specific are you talking about? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:12, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::I guess [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Popularpages popular pages]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah those, how often a page has been visited. I kinda liked keeping tabs on relative popularity in pages (like how Mayumi and Shinichi ''never'' lost their 2:1 view ratio). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:24, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::The broken popular pages has apparently been a thing lately, as I noticed Abates was removing and re-adding the link to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] earlier this month. Maybe he knows more about it? --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 18:41, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::No more than anyone else. I noticed it was gone and removed it from the template, but then it came back when we did the move so I readded it. I guess it got removed again, possibly for performance reasons? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:58, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::If I had to make a poorly-educated guess, the pageview thing sounds exactly like one of the many things I had to remove from Shortpacked.com to keep it from lagging so so badly. Lots of neat little things like page tracking and stuff like that used to be on there, but they were more trouble, resources-wise, than they were worth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I didn't change anything, but I generally make it a point to keep away from the Mediawiki software config, for fear of breaking that which I don't understand. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:07, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::May have been Scout I guess? Looks like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableCounters $wgDisableCounters] got turned on at some point anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:02, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Wait, that WAS me. $wgDisableCounters is supposed to be off for squid-cached installations anyway, since it doesn't actually work when you add a cache. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 21:26, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Why is Melissa from Kiss Players on the same Page as Marissa Faireborn from G1? ==

I know they are some how connected ,but i see the two as different as G1 Starscream is to Animated Starscream ,maybe the same history ,but a little different.--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Michael Alex Kawa]] 10:43, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:They are related in the same way that Orion Pax is related to G1 Optimus Prime. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:51, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
: Marissa = Marissa. Same continuity and everything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:02, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== I don't know if this was what you are looking for when you asked for Kiss Players radio play translations ,but i hope this helps . ==

I found this on Youtube cause I LOVE Melissa and noticed in that Holy Grail thingy that you guys needed Kiss Players radio play translations .I hope this helps ,even if it doesn't it is still pretty cool and CUTE .I did not make it so that is noted .Here is the link so you guys can go and look to see if it what is needed ,it is the only one i can find ,if it helps i will try to find more .[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y]
--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 18:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

I also found this site ,it gives a brief description of the radio play ,again i hope this helps .[http://www.toyvey.com/kisskiss/radioplay/index.html]--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 14:32, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:I haven't looked at the material myself yet (I'm afraid it'll make me have to clean myself until I bleed to get the stain out) but if it's legit, then thank you very, VERY much. This stuff needs to be cataloged to serve as a warning to future generations. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:25, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

== The multiverse ==
So, at BotCon, Aaron Archer declared the Aligned continuity separate from the old, more meta multiverse. How does everyone want to approach this? Separate the aligned information about Primus, Unicron and the members of the 13, or keep it together for easy access and lack of confusion just as one article covers the various versions of the Matrix, or Energon, or the AllSpark? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:06, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:Wait for Japan to release some piece of fiction with Prime as part of the Multiverse, then ignore him with a clear conscience. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
::Huh. I never realized until now that Japan even had the Multiverse. I guess because they don't have as many universes. And they don't have collectors' club fiction. I vaguely knew there was crazy dimension hopping in Alternity, but I figured that was its own thing. But yup, it's right there on the Alternity page. Something about Hasbro-licensed fiction and Takara-licensed fiction sharing one big happy multiverse seems very, very weird to me. Anyway, I'll put an Alternity stub on the [[Multiverse]] page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:55, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Moving from Wikia ==

Hello guys, can anyone give me some advice about how to leave Wikia? I mostly need advice about easily moving content. I found that Wikia provides a database dump as an XML file with all page content except files, and with the page histories. I really need to have the page histories. I installed MediaWiki on my PC for testing, with EasyPHP for the database, and importing the XML file actually doesn't work. It says "Import failed: Loss of session data. Please try again." So I guess I set up my database too quickly and forgot some things. This was just for quick testing after all. Did you follow that template for moving, or something else? I'd really appreciate any advice and help from you! Cheers. [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:36, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:Right out of the gate, you need to go over EVERY page you download before you go live, because Wikia inserted code that provides linkbacks to Wikia in them, meaning your pages will be providing THEM with hits. I do not know exactly what process is involved, but it's a scumfuck move of theirs that you should be aware of. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:18, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
::Nice to know, thanks. But what about what I mentioned above? How do I start and all? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 17:46, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:::A helpful resource for leaving Wikia is the [http://awa.shoutwiki.com/ Anti-Wikia Alliance site], which has useful info on departing from Wikia. The "loss of session data" usually means that you just have to try again. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:02, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:I'm just the server architecture guy, so I can't help with the XML import, but let me warn you right now, Mediawiki for a moderate-traffic site is a PIG. Get a server geek to help you out, as we've got a buttload of cache, and STILL have performance issues from time to time. It's all stuff I can probably fix, if I ever have the free time to dedicate to the problem, but it's definitely a big old pain in the rear. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 08:27, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
::Shoutwiki has been down for some time now, so the Anti-Wikia Alliance can't really help... :/ McFly, you mean I shouldn't stick to Mediawiki? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:23, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I mean that you should make sure that whoever you've got really knows how to tweak your wiki installation to stand up to the traffic. Wikia is terrible at a great many things. Providing high-availability Mediawiki service to their userbase is NOT one of them.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 12:15, 24 June 2011 (EDT)

== Fiction Header Sprawl ==

[[Image:Proposal section headers.png|thumb]]
Our fiction sections (particularly for movie characters) feature a gob-smackingly large number of headers (apparently one for each miniseries.)

This can make it difficult to tell, as one's reading, is the next section is a new continuity or continues from the old one.

I propose a '''<tt><nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki></tt>''' template that could be used to mark fiction headers which continue from the previous section. Proposed markup follows:
===''Transformers'' 2007===
Mojo was a bling'd puppy.
<nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki>
===Revenge of the Fallen===
Mojo's got a bitch
In the above example the ROTF section would be marked by a "continued..." as in the image at right. (It's a CSS preceeding-content declaration. It could just as easily be an arrow, and indent, graying-back the header, a color, etc.)

The example at right is clumsy, but I thought I'd throw it out to see if anyone thought the '''idea''' had merit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:56, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:I'm seeing a flaw in this, in particular with movie fiction, since there are events in-between films that don't necessarily mesh with the movies themselves. Likewise, G1 characters popping up in BW fiction, where it seemingly continues both Marvel G1 and Sunbow G1. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:32, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
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::That is a flaw which arises from the way we structure our fiction sections.
::The IDW DOTM adaption, for instance, makes several slight tweaks to the story-- presumably to better fit its ongoing plans for tie-in comics. Thus 'Rising Storm' should ''not'' be followed by the DOTM movie... it should be followed by the DOTM movie '''adaption''' (See pic at right, which explicitly declares this.)
::There have historically been problems with this-- we didn't want lots of redundant sections in character bios, the 2007 adaption dumped most of the Quatar action despite these scenes obviously occurring in their continuity... etc. So there was a hodge-podge "let's make only ONE section for each movie..." approach adapted.
::That's not getting into how cludgy the mini-derived section titles are. Scenes in ''Foundation'' and ''Defiance'' interleave with one another, making them virtually impossible to properly wikify under the existing section-title bodge-up. What we ''really'' need are sections like 'Era of the Primes' 'Before the War' 'Exile in Space' al sitting under an "IDW Comics Continuity" header.
::(Why the hell the Titans books are listed in the ''middle'' of the IDW miniseries escapes me.)
::Whatever, our headers-- particularly for movie comics-- are broken. Above is one suggestion to render them less-so. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:47, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I can definitely get behind something to simplify our header layout for the movie characters - I actually proposed something similar years ago, shortly after ROTF came out, which if I recall right basically amounted to "describe the movies first, then subsequent to them, do a section for each continuity" - IDW all in one, Titan all in one, and so on, rather than the frustrating, fragmented attempted-chronological order we use now. It just about worked for TF1, but after ROTF, things have just gotten more and more messy. However, I will spit ''blood'' if we turn into Wookieepedia and start with those rubbish "In-fiction description of time period" headers. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:53, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Hrm in the what now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::He means header titles like 'Era of the Primes' which describe a fictional time period. I can agree that those aren't a very good idea for us, given that such eras don't exist across all continuities in a continuity family. Trying to blend the various continuities in such a way implies they're more similar than they are. McFeely's idea of putting the films together, then having section for each of the other continuities, makes more sense for the way Transformers fiction is handled continuity-wise. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:54, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::I'm fine with Chris's idea or maintaining the current status quo. I am however, adamantly against time period sections. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I'm thinking McFeely's proposal has the least problems when it comes to sorting messy fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:08, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Took a bit of a poke around to see if that old proposal was still around, and [[User:Chris_McFeely/ROTF_proposal|restored it]]. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive38|Here's]] what some people thought at the time. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:12, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Uploading of pngs ==

I wonder whether a warning when someone tries to upload a png would help. By the looks, taking the 'png' extension out of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions Manual:$wgFileExtensions] (Is Scout still handing MediaWiki configuration?) will cause the site to display a warning which you then have to continue through to upload the image. It's possible that people will just click through without reading it like with the "this is a huge file" warning, but it seems like it'd be worth a try. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:32, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:What's wrong with PNGs? I was under the impression that they worked. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:28, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
::Pngs use a compression method that is not well suited to screencaps, so a png screencap will be unnecessarily large compared to a jpg copy of the same screencap. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:59, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I've made the appropriate changes. Let's see if it makes a difference. (I doubt it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:57, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== MonacoBook Skin ==

Hello. Dota 6 here! I was wondering if the MonacoBook skin is a custom MediaWiki skin or can you actually download it from somewhere? --[[User:Dota 6|Dota 6]] 21:11, 29 July 2011 (EDT) Dota 6 signing out!

== What gives ==

Okay, I can see that maybe you don't find my jokes funny. I can accept that, but to simply "undo" my first edit to the wiki without comment is rude. Obviously I am not a vandal, I am not trying to cause harm. I have been reading this wiki for a few weeks, and I simply came to a page filled with ''terrible'' captions. Captions so bad that one actually asked for someone to think of something better. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Gold_Plastic_Syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=614367 This is the edit.] Maybe you don't see that as an improvement, but surely it is no worse than what was there. Even if you can't stomach all of them, surely you could simply fix one or two, instead of the entire edit. Surely you could at least leave a reasoning in the summary, or a message on my talk page saying "Thanks for the edit, but that isn't quite our style" or some-such. What is the point of having a wiki if you are simply going to smack new editors away without even having the respect to mention why? I understand that fighting vandalism is a hard and full-time job, but that is no reason to people with good intentions poorly. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 04:21, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Read this:[[Transformers_Wiki:Caption]]. Simply put, you need to do some actual work around here before messing with captions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 04:33, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Also, don't take it personally you weren't told why it was reverted. There's too many reverts in a day to bother to explain them all and it seems most anons and users-for-a-day simply don't care enough about their edit either to want to know why it was reverted, if they notice at all. If one cares, one can always ask - an explanation is guaranteed to be given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:59, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Bot request==
And we get a bot to change out all the instances of "Jusco" with "[[JUSCO]]", the proper capitalization for the stores? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:02, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
:There din't seem to be that many, so I went ahead and did 'em manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:45, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
::Do we still have a bot? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:29, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::...Um, I thought we had [[User:Deceptitran|your bot]]? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:44, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::And [[User:DNAVI]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:34, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::Oh, wait. DNAVI's owner thinks he's pretty much done with this place. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Decptitran's database structure got trashed when my site got deleted. ...I should probably fix it dome day. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:46, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== Interviews on External links ==

Flashback's recent plugging of his site's interview have struck my curiosity, what exactly is the standard for adding interviews to the external links on real-life people's articles? Anyone who's got an interview can add one, or do they have to be special interviews? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:If the interview adds relevant and interesting information to the person, I think it's ok in the external links section. If it's supporting a specific fact, then the reference format should be used.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:54, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think they should be primarily about (or at least have substantial coverage of) the subject's Transformers work. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::I think that should be the case too, unless the real-life person is tough to find any information on. I recently added an interview to Marlene Aragon's article that has nothing to do with Transformers, but does provide some information as to her age and her 'career' in voice acting. It wouldn't be interesting for anyone with a more prominent role in Transformers (or anything else), but since this is about everything the page can provide on her, it should stay. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:20, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:::That's interesting, it's the same reason I linked to an archived Allspark interview for Elaine To. There was no other information I could find about her anywhere else. But in regard to Flashback and his Realmcast interviews... I didn't listen to any of them in their entirety, but I listened to a third of the Michael Bell one, which can be summed up as both interviewer and interviewee complaining about the Michael Bay films daring to make the original voice cast audition for roles and then only using Cullen, and IDW's declining to go with that All Hail Megatron motion comic... So I'm really not certain these links really add anything other than a plug for Flashback's site. But if anyone else feels like listening to them and proving me wrong, go ahead, I don't mind. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Gif uploads blocked? ==

I keep getting a <tt>".gif" is not a permitted file type. Permitted file types are jpg, jpeg, ppt, ogg, ico, svg, ogg, psd, ttf, pdf, wav.</tt> when I try to upload a .gif.

Dis someone trip a flag in the settings, or have I just missed something? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:18, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think that's an unintended side effect from the PNG ban. McFeely should be able to fix it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:30, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::We banned PNG's? But they're occasionally useful!
::Can't we ban people who upload PNG's instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:39, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:::You can read a little upwards on it under "Uploading of pngs". I'm not sure what has been programmed to prevent PNG uploads, though. You'd have to ask McFeely. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm guessing you're meaning to type "McFly", not "McFeely," because I haven't a clue. /:) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:37, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Gah, $wgStrictFileExtensions must be set true. I only intended for my request to display it as a warning rather than preventing uploading of them altogether (you know, like when you upload an image which is too big). I guess MediaWiki doesn't have enough options to do what I was suggesting. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:28, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::::Bitch, bitch, bitch. (It's fixed, provided someone confirms that much. Drop any complaints on my Talk page, I've got a watchlist set on it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:46, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::For the record... fixed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Shout Factory Subs ==

Since these were looked over by the TF team at Hasbro, should we be making adjustments to episode titles, character names etc.? For example Fortress is now Cerebros, which is a major headache. Also, the episode titles on the subs (which we know Hasbro checked out) are often different from the titles on the guide on the inside cover. There's some other neat stuff, it seems like they intended to use the Hasbro names for the Battle Beasts and changed it back at the last minute, probably because Diamond Select has the Battle Beasts licence currently (Saber Sword Tiger slips through once, while he's called Platinum Tiger later). -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 09:15, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

==Manga vs. Comic==
We use the words "manga" and "comic" interchangeably when talking about Japanese comics, the most annoying example of which is that pages are usually disamb'd with "(manga)", but subsection titles usually end in "comic". Can we pick one word and stick with it? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:15, 25 August 2011 (EDT)
:Looking around some more, it seems the site had already incorporated a system of treating comic and manga differently, as we have a page on [[manga]], manga-specific categories and use "(manga)" as identifier in most relevant cases. So, I propose to go with "manga" consistently. Changes this would mean are:
# Moving all "(pack-in comic)" pages to "(pack-in manga)"
# Changing "comic" in subsection titles to "manga"
# Changing "comic" to "manga" in any piece of text talking about a manga
# Creating a manga images category (not sure if there's be much use to separate it in interior and cover images as with the comic images categories)
:The changes wouldn't be big, but I'm certain someone would ask me what I'm doing if I'd just go ahead. So, anyone got a problem with this? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:01, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
::I don't see why we need to make the distinction where it's pointless. All manga are comics. We should only use "manga" when we want to inform the reader that it's a Japanese comic, like in categories. The end of subsection titles, no. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:35, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
::I'm perfectly fine with just using "manga". If I recall correctly, that's how it used to be. We're far from weeaboos on the wiki, but the use of the word "manga" just conveys more information in the same space. Person reads article. Sees "Great Transformer War comic". Wonders what the heck is that I've never heard of it I've read all the comics. Person sees "Great Transformer War manga"? Immediately understands that it's a Japanese comic and that that's why they don't know what it is. Could they make an extra click or two and find that out anyway? Yeah, sure. But now they don't have to. Just as a for-instance. (And yet, perversely, I wouldn't agree with switching out "cartoon" for "anime" for the Japanese-original shows. Huh. Maybe this position ''isn't'' too defensible.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:55, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I wondered if someone would bring thát up, but I am not suggesting we should separate anime and cartoon either. I would oppose such a change, and don't think it's comparable. The division between comic and manga is reasonably clearcut in content and production, with only a few ambigious cases (like the RM 3D diorama manga). Anime and cartoon are much more alike, not to mention a good portion of the cartoons TF has had thus far are a cooperation that can't well be placed in either category if one would decide to separate them.
:::Also, the suggestion to split comic and manga isn't one just based on inherent differences between the two. As it is, the wiki has a setup to consider manga and comic different things. Such a setup does not exist for anime and cartoon. My suggestion to separate manga and comic is largely based on the fact our current system is illogical and inconsistent (comic vs pack-in comic vs manga, Super-God Masterforce (manga) vs ''Super-God Masterforce'' comic) and that it should either be put in use thoroughly or abolished. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 06:26, 26 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Peeps, I'm going to get stuck with my image sorting quest if I don't get clarity on this matter. One person is somewhat against, another is in favor but uncertain if he's right... Anyone else? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:48, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm in favor your idea, for what that's worth. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]]

User talk:Semysane

2011-08-28T00:51:59Z

Semysane: /* 'Roll for it' Spikes diversion. */

===Inferno Bonanza caption===
Thanks. I laughed for a good minute after reading that for some reason. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

No problem! Cracking wise is about the only skill I have. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 00:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Micromaster Mainpics==
Aww man, you stole my work! Shame on you!... No wait, '''Thank you''' was what I meant! --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 20:52, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:Haha, no problem! I can really get down and do some work when I'm trying to put off studying. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pics from Botch's ==

You should edit the pictures to remove white space if there's too much of it (as is the case with [[Shouki]]), and if the art is missing parts of the art due to some unfortunate circumstance, then you should carefully edit the art so the missing parts aren't ''too'' obvious. You might also want to resave images and resize them, or lower the jpeg quality so the filesize stays around the 100kb mark or lower if the picture is average sized, unless this seriously affects the quality of the image (such as the need for text in the image to be clearly legible).

Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:32, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
:Sure, when I have time I'll go back and fix some. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, and no worries. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:56, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

== Raksha ==

Just dropping by to ask if you would upload that Raksha picture you had found. I'd do it myself, but I can't seem to find the part of Encyclopedia Dramatica that might give some sort of credits for it. If you know of/can find any credits it would be better if they were listed. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:19, 7 February 2010 (EST)
:I thought we had come to a consensus to just leave well enough alone? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:34, 10 February 2010 (EST)
::I know some people in the conversation were leery about putting too much info (mainly to avoid it degenerating into personal attacks), but DrSpengler agreed that this picture was fine. I don't think there's too much chance of offending anyone. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:29, 11 February 2010 (EST)
:::Well... I think it's better left alone. If you want to use the picture, you'll have to find it on your own. Sorry. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:23, 11 February 2010 (EST)
::::Speaking personally, I'd rather use a screencap from the BotCon DVD footage as mentioned on the talk page anyway. If we're going to have a picture there at all. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:37, 11 February 2010 (EST)

== LRR IRC ==

Hey man, Asellus and RonnyGunz on the LRR IRC are wondering if you're still alive or have you been captured by cultists or ninjas, and are also wondering if you need to be avenged or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Ah, ha ha. I'll go on and let them know I was snared by deadly school ninjas, but that I've managed to free myself until the fall. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:36, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

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Dammit, Semysane! -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:05, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

== Ratchet (G1) ==

Apologies. I was going to add only the two ... then I got "inspired" to add another ... and another. Hey, they say they want captions for the blank ones, right? Hell, now I'm even editing this a second time to make its style consistent. -- [[User:kcchia80|kcchia80]] 04:25, 17 July 2010 (CDT)

== Bakugan ==

Dude why so serious about the bakugan thing im a fan too but lets fac it Bakugan is a rip off of every thin (everythig includes Naruto Yugioh Transformers Avatar the last Airberder Star wars star trek...heck even bayblade!) [[User:IngramMKII|IngramMKII]] 00:20, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

== He didn't add anything in particular to that page. ==

He's added on other pages, so he's earned the right to THOSE pages. Otherwise he just plays wiki-Nazi thisismylife.
:That's not how it works. Don't be a dick. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:23, 28 November 2010 (EST)
:: So it's a popularity game? Your kind are the 'dicks' here. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 03:25, 28 November 2010 (EST)
:::No, it's not a popularity game. It's a meritocracy. Detour has done enough of merit to earn the right to add humour, and then some. If everyone hated him, he'd still have a right to add humour. You're new. If you continue making meaningful contributions, you'll earn that right too. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:27, 28 November 2010 (EST)

==i See. but why dont u fixed them instead==
why didnt you just fixed my typos on Chromia page?, because when im adding information of their Apperances instead of removing them, some else jsut fixes my typos. -- [[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]
:Because I am not your personal copy editor. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:59, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

==Quotes==
What's your problem with my quotes that are actually in Beast Wars episodes? One quote and someone has to go nuts about it yeesh.
:You make it sound as if you don't have a user talk page with multiple warnings about your quotes. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:02, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

== 'Roll for it' Spikes diversion. ==

Yo Semysane am rephrasing my contribution there, is it acceptable to you, dood?

"One possibility is that Spike was creating a diversion with his pile-driver so that Chip would have more of an opportunity to connect Wheeljacks device."

http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Roll_for_It&diff=629110&oldid=627763

[[User:Prime Dood477|Prime Dood477]] 07:24, 27 August 2011 (EDT)
:I see Interrobang already answered that for me on your talk page. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 20:51, 27 August 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys

2011-08-23T07:10:36Z

Semysane: /* Revoltech and Robot Replicas */

== Buster Optimus Prime? ==

Where did you get all that info? Any officially released pictures? Or are you simply going off stolen Chinese toys? [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 13:29, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:He has appeared at the Tokyo toy show.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:41, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:If you've seen me going around telling people off on this wiki, you should know I don't add info from unofficial toy leaks ;) They had Buster Optimus Prime on display at the Tokyo Toy Show. Two leader Primes with new parts, all painted up, and unlike Hasbro, what you see is usually what you get with TakaraTomy.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:43, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
::Ooooh, nice. I don't do Takara, though. Except once, with Universe Hound. Besides, I prefer Faceplated. But I'm sorry for accusing you. :/ [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 13:49, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::No worries :P Thread's been deleted, it seems. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:50, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Leader Voice Chip ==

My UK bought one says "I am Optimus Prime".

[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 19:36, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Power Up Prime ==

Was the Voyager Class Powered Up Optimus Prime cancelled or is it still on hold? because on the Optimus Prime page, it says it was cancelled, but in the Jetfire page, it says it hasn't been released yet

--[[Special:Contributions/190.206.80.130|190.206.80.130]] 19:24, 13 February 2011 (EST)

== Dual Model Kit ==

Should the information of [http://i.imgur.com/0NkT3.jpg Dual Model Kit] be added? Or it should be waited until the prototype comes out? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:23, 23 February 2011 (EST)

== DOTM Voyager Takara redeco ==

I saw some stock images of a redeco iof DOTM Voyager Prime with new parts for a non-powered-up truck mode: http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/0/5/9/7/untitled_1298551815.png --[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:46, 5 March 2011 (EST)

== Mini Optimus Prime ==

The one that came with Starosphere? I located his page on TFU.info, and this link is where it is: [http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/MiniOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]

== ARRRGH!/ROTF Optimus Prime/Jetfire voyager class combo ==

There are too many loose ends for the subjects!!! This ends HERE!/O.P. article reads it's been cancelled but Jetfire's article it's upcoming-- no wait, it's all right! ... I think.

== Stealth Force Optimus Prime ==

The box depicts more weapons than the figure actually has, including a missile rack above the windscreen, missiles above the rear wheels and an opening panel on the large fuel tanks. Also it depicts the headlights being attached to the grill. {{unsigned|188.28.194.113}}

== Battle Blades Prime's well, blades. ==

Are they really removable? Because it says that in the accessories list, but the swords sure seem like they're just made of soft plastic and aren't really meant to be detached.
[[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 15:01, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
:They are, entirely BECAUSE the're soft plastic. They're held on by a mushroom joint, making them fairly easy to pop on and off. However, they can deform if you do it too much. Personally, I'd exercise caution. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 13:00, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Revoltech and Robot Replicas ==

So, why is [[Robot Replicas]] under toys, but [[Revoltech]] is under [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/merchandise#Revoltech|merhandise]]? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:33, 23 August 2011 (EDT)
:My guess is it's because Revoltech is made by Kaiyodo, a third-party company, unrelated to Hasbro or Takara/Tomy -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:10, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

Roll for It

2011-08-21T10:51:52Z

Semysane: Undo revision 625616 by Prime Dood477 (Talk) Who are "some people?"

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|ep=5
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|next2=Divide and Conquer
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|ep3=26
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|next3=Changing Gears
|image=FHERollForItComic01.jpg
|caption=Chip doesn't look very concerned. Seriously, not at all.
|title="Roll for It"
|production code=#700-02
|airdate=[[October 13]], 1984
|written by=[[Douglas Booth]]
|animation studio=[[Toei]]
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
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'''The Decepticons seek a powerful antimatter formula, and the Autobots with their new human ally Chip Chase try to stop them.'''

:''Japanese title:'' メガトロンの帰還 (''Megatron no Kikan'', "The Return of Megatron")
:''German title:'' Die geheime Anti-Materie Formel (''The Secret Anti-Matter Formular'')
:''German Generation 2 title:'' Ein Held namens Chip (''A Hero called Chip'')
:''Russian title:'' Поехали! (''Poyekhali!'', "Let's go!")
:''Serbian title:'' Велики преокрет (''Veliki preokret'', "Great vicissitude")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''Un nuovo amico''' ("A new friend")
:''Italian title, dub 2:'' '''In marcia per la vittoria''' ("March off for the victory")
{{TOCclear}}
==Synopsis==
[[Image:RollForIt Bluestreak cannonfire.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Bluestreak, we need energon stars, quick!]]

[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], still in command of the [[Decepticon]]s after [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s disappearance in the [[Space Bridge]], leads [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] in attacking a hydroelectric power generator. The Autobots respond quickly, as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] arrives with an assault team. The battle is short, as a thrown piece of equipment destroys the Decepticon store of [[energon cube]]s. With little to show for their efforts, the Decepticons retreat. Optimus Prime sends [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] to follow them.

[[Image:RollForIt Spacebridge recieves.jpg|right|150px|thumb|A storm approaches.]]

Meanwhile, on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Megatron resumes contact with Earth. Despite his absence, Megatron commands that their scheduled attack on an antimatter laboratory will continue as planned in five billion astroseconds. The battle-damaged [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] set out to find repair parts in the interim, to be ready for the attack, while Megatron boards the Space Bridge for transit back to Earth.

[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] drives [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Chip Chase]] to the isolated antimatter laboratory where Chip works. As the security guard punches the access code to let them in, his actions are carefully spied on by [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], who is perched outside in camera mode snapping shots. Inside the massive lab, Chip and Spike are greeted by [[Alcazar|Doctor Alcazar]], who gives Chase a 5.25-inch [[floppy disk]] that will enable Chip’s home computer to interface with the one at the lab.

[[Image:RollForIt Bumblebeeattacked.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Is it a bird? Is it a plane? Yes and no, it's Laserbeak!]]

As Bumblebee drives away, he is attacked by [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]. Spike directs Bumblebee to take cover in the underground parking garage. With Bumblebee having escaped, Megatron realizes Optimus Prime might be tipped off to their laboratory attack. Rather than wait for Starscream and his team, Megatron orders an immediate strike.

Bumblebee drives Chip home, where the young scientist hopes to warn the lab of the impending attack. Bumblebee tries to call in Prowl and Bluestreak as backup, but they're tied up attacking Starscream’s group, who are raiding the Ace Aircraft Factory for parts.

Megatron's attack group arrives at the antimatter laboratory. Reflector punches in the access code, and the Decepticons march inside. Doctor Alcazar receives Chip's online warning at the last possible moment, and succeeds in erasing the antimatter formula from his computer. Megatron detects that Alcazar has uploaded the formula to someone else. He lets Alcazar go.

[[Image:RollForIt ProwlshootsRavage.jpg|right|150px|thumb|BAD KITTY!]]

In the aircraft factory, Prowl is injured by Soundwave's blasts, and his [[battle computer]] goes offline. Desperate, Prowl scans for another online computer to hook up to. Traversing the phone lines, his signals find Chip's computer, which has also received Doctor Alcazar's antimatter formula. Chip assumes control of Prowl, using his desktop terminal to guide Prowl through combat maneuvers. With Chip in command, Prowl takes control of one of the surplus jets, and fires its rockets at the Decepticons. Starscream and his cohorts flee the battle.

[[Image:RollForIt FloppyDisk destruction.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Holy crap, man.]]

Megatron determines where Alcazar sent the formula, and communicates the location to Starscream and his team. Soundwave dispatches [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] to retrieve Chip. Chip memorizes the antimatter formula and destroys all evidence of it just as Ravage breaks in to his house and fetches him. The Decepticons take Chip to the antimatter laboratory, where the Autobots are just arriving. Prime sees that the Decepticons have a human hostage, and begins formulating a plan involving [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]. These deceptive Autobots are able to outsmart perimeter guard Rumble with their holographic ruses, allowing them and Bumblebee to sneak past.

[[Image:RollForIt SoundwavescansChip.jpg|right|150px|thumb|The [[AllSpark]]. WHERE IS IT?!]]

Inside, Soundwave uses his scanning abilities to extract the formula from Chip's brain. Megatron orders Chip disposed of, and begins creating antimatter with the equipment in his lab. Just as Thundercracker moves in to terminate Chip, the infiltrating Autobots attack. Bumblebee and Spike rescue Chip, and the Autobots race away, taking Chip to safety.

Next, Optimus strikes, driving through the lab walls and unleashing his warriors. But it may be too late, as Megatron throws an antimatter-powered energon cube at the Autobots, creating a tremendous explosion.

[[Image:RollForIt Sunstreak JetJudo.jpg|left|150px|thumb|And you thought surfing the roof of a boxcar was cool.]]

Injured Autobots emerge from the devastated laboratory. Prime orders a retreat to headquarters, so that his soldiers can tend to badly needed repairs. The Autobots limp back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], where [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] immediately get to work. Chip laments his inability to keep the antimatter formula from falling into Megatron’s hands, but [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] tries to console him. He’s got a plan for the formula, and could use Chip and Spike's help.

[[Image:RollForIt Megatron chestycubes.jpg|right|150px|thumb|[[Breastforce]] Megatron.]]

The next day, the Decepticons, powered by antimatter energon cubes, attack Autobot headquarters. Megatron turns into pistol mode, and Starscream fires his antimatter-bolstered bolts into the Autobot ranks. Prime manages to knock the pistol from Starscream's grip, and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] recovers the weapon. Just then, Chip affixes a control device onto Skywarp's ankle, a transmitter that enables [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] to take control of the Decepticon warrior.

Under Autobot control, Skywarp begins shooting randomly into the countryside, and Megatron's antimatter ignition temperature reaches near critical. He transforms into robot mode and expels the remaining antimatter energon from his body. It detonates, devastating the Decepticon forces. Megatron orders a retreat, but swears vengeance. Meanwhile, the Autobots congratulate Chip for his heroics.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] (6)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (7)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (8)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (9)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (14)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (20)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (21)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (22)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (23)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (24)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (25)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (26)
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (27)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (28)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (1)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (3)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (4)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (10)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (11)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (12)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (13)
*[[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] (17)
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (19)

|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (15)
*[[Chip Chase]] (16)
*[[Alcazar]] (18)
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (29)
}}

==Quotes==
"Can the chat and start kickin' pig-iron!"
:—'''Brawn''', heading into battle.

"Starscream! Thundercracker! You two look like Optimus Prime ran you through a laser-powered trash compactor!"
:—'''Megatron''', observing the damaged condition of his men

"Leadership my sine function."
:—'''Starscream''' after hearing Thundercracker's remark on Megatron's leadership.

"Stealing the antimatter formula is gonna be a piece of oil cake!"
:—'''Reflector''', thinking he is (they are?) clever.

"I don't like the idea of Megatron getting the antimatter formula. He can't be trusted!" 
"Sure can't, [[manifold]]-mouth!"
:—'''Starscream''' gripes and '''Bluestreak'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s potty mouth slang

"Now ''this'' is a human after my own central processor!"
:—'''Prowl''', commenting on Chip's computer-control.

"There's no one here! I must have static in my rectifiers." 
"Now that's the smartest thing you've said all day!" 
(flattered) "R-really? ...Hey, what's going on!"
:—'''Rumble''', hoodwinked by '''Mirage''' and Hound

"Gosh! You guys look like the guests of honor at a 50-car pile-up!"
:—'''Sparkplug Witwicky''', upon seeing the battle-damaged Autobots return to base.

"I get the feeling our [[jet judo]] needs a little more work."
:—'''Sunstreaker''' to Sideswipe after their failed bid to stop the Seekers.

"You may not be an Autobot, but when you rolled for broke back there you sure could've fooled me."
:—'''Bumblebee''' congratulating Chip.

==Notes==
===Animation or technical glitches===
* Thundercracker is repeatedly depicted with Skywarp’s colors in the opening scene, or in some cases, with Starscream’s hue.
* Starscream's head is light gray instead of dark gray as he transforms and lands in the power plant.
* In the next shot, as Soundwave lands, Starscream's face is white instead of medium gray.
* As the plant worker calls for help, Starscream has gone from Soundwave's right side to his left, and Thundercracker has become Skywarp.
* As Soundwave prepares energon cubes, the interior of his chest-compartment is not illustrated, instead showing a solid wall of blue.
* Brawn's head is almost entirely yellow instead of gray as Cliffjumper bounces off of him.
* As Starscream raises the generator over his head, the whole side of Brawn's vehicle body is colored windshield-blue—metal panels and all.
* Starscream's air intakes are missing as Prime wrestles the generator away from him.
* The tip and cockpit area of Starscream's nosecone is red as he flies away from the power plant.
* When Soundwave runs through what appears to be a chainlink volleyball net, the net is animated as if the background art is sliding, but the background is sitting still; the result is that the net seems to move ''toward'' Soundwave.

*As Soundwave escapes, Prowl transforms and gives chase, followed by Bluestreak. However, in the next shot, it's Bluestreak who knocks Soundwave over, even though Prowl was in the lead.

* After Starscream catches Soundwave, he pulls alongside Thundercracker... who has Starscream's colors.

* Bluestreak transforms to robot mode and shoots the jets. When Prime walks up to him and Prowl, however, ''Prowl'' is the one in robot mode, standing next to car-mode Bluestreak. The next shot shows a closeup of Bluestreak in robot mode again... then back to the previous shot with Prowl in robot mode.

* Bluestreak doesn't move his mouth as he chuckles at Prime's order to not bite off more than he can chew.

*When Prowl (who was Bluestreak a second ago) transforms and drives off after the retreating Decepticons, he runs over Optimus Prime's foot. What a dick.

* Behind him, an "engine vibration" effect for Bluestreak has him strangely jiggling.

* Casey Kasem seems to have misparsed Bluestreak's "Come on, Prowl" as a statement of incredulity, which would make sense if he was reacting a statement by Prowl—but it's ''Optimus'' who just warned him not to take on too much.

* Starscream's air intakes are gray instead of red as Thundercracker scorns him.

[[Image:RollForIt securityguardconsole.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Please enter the square root of 685."]]

* Improbable viewpoints:
** While in [[Decepticon Headquarters (G1 Cybertron)|Decepticon Headquarters]] on Cybertron, Megatron gets a traveling view of Starscream and Thundercracker flying in jet mode on Earth.

* Shockwave's "ears" are purple instead of gray as Megatron lectures Starscream and Thundercracker. Megatron's symbol is a maroon red instead of purple.

* As they do barrel rolls, Thundercracker is a much deeper shade of blue than normal, and Starscream's air intakes are light gray instead of red.

* When he lauds Megatron's leadership, Thundercracker's left air intake is blue instead of gray.

* Shockwave's eye doesn't flash as he wishes Megatron a safe journey.

* The security guard's mouth doesn't move as he says "Welcome back".

*The security guard’s access panel has digits 1-9 and a variety of mathematical commands (?!), yet lacks a zero.

* After he lands on the lab compound's wall, the tops of Reflector's torsos are light gray instead of purple. The error repeats in the last shot of him flying away.

* Bumblebee is abnormally small as he walks behind Chip and Spike, not more than eight feet tall.

*Bumblebee is drawn all sorts of ''wrong'' when the professor talks about Chip at the laboratory. For one scene, his roof chest becomes humongous, the Autobot symbol on it becomes mutilated, and his head looks squatter than usual. In the next scene, when he says "...and I thought you were just another pretty face", his forehead, nose and eyes are drawn rather oddly; his nose has no indentation at the top.
[[Image:Diskette.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The most powerful storage media ever created by mankind.]]
* The lab's computer is weird. It loads floppy disks backwards...unless the good doctor is befuddled and inserted the disk the wrong way.
* When Laserbeak attacks, Bumblebee is in the desert. An instant later, he's in a city (complete with underground parking.)

* The damage that Laserbeak inflicts on the parking garage just appears out of nowhere, with no lasers or explosions.

*When Megatron orders the attack on the laboratory, the Decepticon insignia on his chest is missing.
* As Megatron leads his crew to attack the lab, they are all shown using foot thrusters, in contradiction to the Decepticons' normally unexplained means of flight.
* When Bumblebee radios Prowl and Bluestreak, his voice is modulated as if coming over the radio... even though the scene is the inside of his own cabin.
*When they enter the jets' base, Prowl's and Bluestreak's Autobot insignias are not shown. When Bluestreak delivers his 'manifold-mouth' line, Prowl's mouth is also moving.
* Thundercracker is colored as Skywarp when he delivers his "You don't have Prime and Brawn" line.
* As Starscream raises his arm to fire, his weapon is mounted on the front of his shoulder, rather than the side. (Either that or he twisted his arm at an impossible angle.)
* As the Decepticons land at the lab, Rumble's voice is heard laughing; however, it isn't electronically modulated, making him sound like a creepy old man.
*The security access door code is 2-9-5 when the security guard punches it and 4-7-2 when Reflector punches it in.
* When Bluestreak delivers his "not so fast" line, his crest (red) and gauntlets (dark gray) are all light gray. He also gets Megatron's fusion cannon sound effect for his laser blast.
* Prowl has white tires as he says his "my own central processor" line.
* When the jet Prowl takes a ride on fires missiles at the Decepticons, everything (inclusive of scaffolding, barrels and other jets) behind them is utterly vaporised, despite all logic dictating that there should be at least some debris. The walls of the hangar, however, remain unblemished.
*When the Decepticons are fleeing the jets' base, Skywarp (who hasn't been shown before, except as a miscolored Thundercracker) appears besides Thundercracker and Starscream. Soundwave's tape door lacks its yellow outline as he retrieves Ravage.
* As Megatron orders Starscream to retrieve the formula, Thundercracker is the same toy-based dark blue as before. In the next shot, the front and back of Starscream's nosecone is red again. Alternate color models, perhaps?
* When he lands in the street, the top of Starscream's air intake is gray instead of red.
*The shot of Soundwave ejecting Ravage to retrieve Chip is supposed to take place outdoors, but the background art is that of the hangar interior seen earlier.
[[Image:RollForIt Chip Chase banners.jpg|thumb|right|200px|He's graduated how many times now?]]
* When we see Chip's room through the window, he has a college pennant that reads USC, an odd choice for Chip. Later, his room has two different college pennants, one with the letters [[wikipedia:California State University, Northridge|CSUN]] and another with YAL (likely Yale, with the 'e' obscured by the SUN pennant).
*Ravage breaks through Chip's front door, taking most of a side window with him. After he opens Chip's bedroom door and absconds with the human, he leaps through the now-repaired side window, and the front door is undamaged as well.
* Ravage's leap over Soundwave is physically impossible as drawn; it only works due to some layer fudging—specifically, if Ravage were high enough to pass over Soundwave's shoulder, he would not then immediately land 20 feet directly below Soundwave's shoulder, on Starscream's fuselage. In the same shot, Soundwave's eject button is blue instead of white.
*Soundwave’s line of dialogue, "Excellent, Ravage" is heard without [[Scott Brownlee]]'s sound processing, so that voice actor [[Frank Welker]]’s "Dr. Claw" voice is audible.
* Chip's street must be the width of an interstate, as both jets can easily fit in a single lane. In fact, Thundercracker only takes up ''half'' of the lane!
*When Spike is shown in Bumblebee while the Autobots are on the highway, Spike's hair is blond instead of brown. Did he have a five-second dye job or something?
* Prime has whitewall tires as he orders the Autobots to "transform for action".
* Soundwave's insignia is missing after he extracts the formula from Chip's mind.
* Mirage's verbal jabs at Rumble come as though he were right next to him, despite being some distance away and in a constantly-changing location.
* Soundwave's mask is overdrawn as he kneels to activate the computer, giving him the appearance of having two large eyes.
* Megatron is missing the two polygons on either side of his chest in the thrice-recycled shot of him giving orders to the Decepticons.
* For some reason, Mirage's voice is radio-muffled as he say "Hold it right there!"
* Starscream is once again holding one of his arm-weapons in his hand as he threatens Bumblebee and the humans.
* The window that the escaping Autobots smash through is still intact after they crash through it.
*When Megatron throws the antimatter energon cube, it is first colored black (meaning someone forgot to apply the glowing backlight effect), and then it's portrayed as empty (meaning someone forgot to color it in at all).
* Appearing/disappearing Autobots:
** The group that bursts into the lab includes Sunstreaker, Jazz, Ratchet, Prowl and/or Bluestreak, and Hound. The group shown emerging from the lab is Prime, Trailbreaker, Ironhide, Bluestreak, and Wheeljack.
** Ratchet is shown as both a member of Prime’s attack group, and also waiting for them to return at the Ark.
* As Trailbreaker and Prowl transform, they show no damage until they reach vehicle mode, at which point various cracks appear out of nowhere.


* Wheeljack's "ears" flash orange in this episode, instead of their usual blue.
*When the Decepticons are loading the antimatter-powered energon cubes, two Starscreams are shown (one as a jet being loaded with energon cubes, and one as a robot listening to Megatron).
* As he watches the Autobots gab and natter, Ratchet's head crest is white instead of gray. In the same pan, Sideswipe's shoulder is white instead of red.
* In the shot of Prime giving his big speech, the blue of Prime's eyes was apparently drawn on the same layer as his faceplate, because when his mouthplate moves, his eyes flash from blue to white and back in perfect synch with it!
* Sunstreaker's windshield is yellow instead of white-blue as he delivers his "jet judo" line.
* Wheeljack's launcher is beige instead of light gray as he flees from the Seekers' fire.
* The sky background behind Starscream is missing as he catches gun-mode Megatron; it appears half-way through the shot, replacing a generic blue background.
* Starscream is missing his wing insignia as he fires Megatron and rants about how invincible he is.
* During his "now or never" lines, only the front of Wheeljack's ears flash.
* Skywarp yells for "helllp!" in Rumble's voice.
* Megatron's face is mostly black as he transforms out of gun mode.
* Sunstreaker's mouth doesn't move as he congratulates Chip.

===Continuity errors===
* The "anti-matter" that the Decepticons create... can't really be anything of the sort. If it was, the entire laboratory, not to mention Megatron himself, would have been obliterated instantly. And anti-matter doesn't really have an "ignition temperature". Certainly the shots that Megatron fires can't be anti-matter, as it would completely annihilate anything it hit including his fusion cannon the second it was fired.
* When the security guard initially greets Chip, he is voiced by [[Chris Latta]]. A second later, when he welcomes Chip back to the lab, he is now voiced by [[Dan Gilvezan]], who performs all the character's remaining lines.
* Reflector is shown watching for the password to enter the lab. Considering how often the Decepticons are seen to just blast their way into whatever facility they want, the stealthy approach is unusual.
* Laserbeak's attack makes no sense. At this point, Spike, Bumblebee and Chip have nothing of value to the Decepticons, and attacking them (as Megatron points out!) merely serves to tip off the Autobots to the Decepticons' interest in the lab.
[[Image:RollForIt TheInternets.jpg|200px|thumb|right|64K of memory, but it can control an alien space robot.]]
* Chip's keyboard-based control of Prowl's elaborate movements seems highly improbable.
* Dropping their disguises ''before'' they enter the lab doesn't seem very clever on Mirage and Hound's part.
* [[Corey Burton]] uses a slightly different voice for Sunstreaker this episode, lacking the character's usual sharp, nasal tone. At least one line ("When we're done with 'em") sounds like it was read by Michael Bell.

* The USC pennant, possibly standing for the [[wikipedia:University of Southern California|University of Southern California]], which as an institution with a reputation as a 'party school' is an odd choice for somebody as academically accomplished as Chip; it might be the [[wikipedia:University of South Carolina|University of South Carolina]], although this is unlikely, as largely only people in the Carolinas call that university "USC." However, the apparent [[wikipedia:Yale University|Yale]] pennant that appears later seems like a good fit for somebody of Chip's talent.
*While Chip tries desperately to contact Doctor Alcazar via his computer, he never tries with the piece of equipment right next to his computer: his telephone.
*As noted above, the college pennants in Chip's room change between scenes. But why does he have pennants from three different universities?
* Flying Autobots:
** This early in the series, the "Autobots can't fly" convention hadn't quite been settled upon. Prowl makes an improbably huge leap at the jet plant.
** Bumblebee flies into the lab behind a distracted Rumble.
** Sunstreaker and Sideswipe fly out to defend Autobot Headquarters. At least Sideswipe has a rocket pack!
* Superhuman Chip:
**When the Decepticons visit Chip's house to steal the antimatter formula, Chip memorizes the code...AND RIPS A FLOPPY DISK APART WITH HIS BARE HANDS. If that doesn't seem like a tremendous feat of strength, try doing so yourself (...if you can find one...) Chip must have absolutely tremendous upper body strength.
** Ravage uses Chip as a battering ram to bash out an entire window of his house. Chip survives the experience without so much as a scratch.
* If Mirage leaves footprints as he walks toward the lab... shouldn't Hound also be leaving footprints? (Mirage, of course, is the only Transformer who ''ever'' leaves footprints, and ''only'' when he's invisible.)
* How can Megatron hear Sunstreaker ("We've gotta get those energon cubes before it's too late") when there's a whole solid wall between them?
* Spike's attack on Skywarp... doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Was he supposed to be making a hole to provide access for Wheeljack's device?
* Superhuman Spike:
** Spike is still in Skywarp's grasp when gun-mode Megatron flies out of his hand. A second later, Skywarp is visible among the Decepticons laid low by the exploding antimatter cubes. So... how did Spike get free and survive that massive explosion?

===Continuity notes===
* The Space Bridge, which first appeared in "[[Transport to Oblivion]]", reappears in this episode. It's much more stable now; Megatron just strolls in and takes a trip home.
* Gadgets and powers:
**Bumblebee can reconfigure his interior to accommodate Chip’s wheelchair and turn his door into an entry ramp.
** Bumblebee also demonstrates the ability to actually transform into vehicle mode ''around'' humans, taking them in as passengers.
** Prowl uses a pair of head-antenna to contact Chip's computer.
** Soundwave demonstrates his mind-reading abilities, extracting the anti-matter formula from Chip's brain by placing his fingers on his head.
** Megatron can detect specific computer activity by placing his hand over the machine.
** Soundwave bizarrely activates the lab computer by zapping it with an energy beam from his fingertip... which lights up his ''entire arm''.
** Thundercracker, who was loaded with energon cubes, transforms and materializes two of the cubes in his hands, one of many instances lending credit to the fandom theories of [[subspace]] and the like.
**The para-sail like parachute used by Mirage in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]" is shown again, this time used by Sideswipe and Sunstreaker.
** And of course, Hound uses his hologram abilities (to disguise himself as a boulder rolling across the desert), and Mirage becomes invisible (doing so without the usual glowing trapezoid surrounding him.)
* Megatron orders the jets to meet him in "five billion astroseconds"—time enough for them to replace some parts and have a short battle. Last episode, a mere "6,000 astroseconds" was an intolerably long wait for the space bridge to re-open, and time enough for a whole series of side adventures. Next episode, the space bridge will materialize "within 72 billion astroseconds", seeming to imply that this is not too long a time.
* Megatron's use of the anti-matter cubes would seem to be a sidelong callback to one of his tech spec abilities, wherein he can use the anti-matter of an inter-dimensionally linked black hole to create a highly destructive attack.
[[Image:Prim Cola Sign.JPG|thumb|right|200px| ]]
*Signage in the city includes an ad for [[Prim Cola]].
* Chip’s phone number is 94-7244. Strangely, he doesn't answer when you call him.
* The Decepticons are never shown losing the antimatter formula, yet they seem to have abandoned its use in future episodes.

===Real-world references===
* Cliffjumper uses the phrase "your friendly neighborhood Decepticon wreckers," a paraphrase of [[Spider-Man]]'s self-given nickname.
* The antimatter formula includes handwritten screens with the following written on them:

AH ONNAG HOSHII

DOKOKANI ee ONN

AGA ORANKNAA

KYOUMO HAYO KA

EETE NEYO

….. El HABARA

….. MOU DOUTEI

….. SUTETAKAI

….. SONOUTHI

….. TORUKO IKO

….. UZE

This appears to be a Japanese staff joke, as in English the text roughly translates:
"Gah, I need a woman. Ain't there any hot babes around? Let's call it a day, get home quick and hit the sack. Hey, Habara (a common Japanese name, certainly a staff member), did you pop your cherry yet? Let's go hit a [[wikipedia:Soapland|Turkish bath]] (a kind of brothel) some time."

===Japanese version===
Original airdate: [[August 3]], [[1985]]
*'''Cut:''' When Spike and Chip pull up to the laboratory in Bumblebee, the scene following the guard saying "Welcome back", typing the 7 into his number pad and everything up through his line, "Well, I never met an Aw-toh-bawt before", have been cut. The sequence resumes at the group approaching the green door and the line, "Let me get you through our security doors".

===Notes===
[[Image:RollForIt droopyDecepticonjets.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Maybe if we're lucky, Dad won't notice why we're gone!"]]
*In several scenes in this episode, all of the Transformers are drawn using different, more stylised animation models. In particular, the Decepticon jets seen near the beginning are sleeker, more detailed and have a drooping nosecone similar to ''Cybertron'' [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]'s SU-35 fighter mode. Other scenes have stylized shading, angles, and poses, such as the strange poses used by the flying Decepticons at the episode's end.
*Soundwave screams like a little girl.
*In one part, Starscream calls Megatron "The Anti-Matter Gun" instead of his name. Why?
*This was one of twelve episodes of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original cartoon]] released as audio adventures by the [[Germany|German]] company [[Karussell|Karussell Musik und Video]].

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1985 — ''The Transformers'' — Volume 6: "Roll for It" ([[Family Home Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Canada.png|20px|Canada]] 1995 — ''The Transformers'' — The Autobots vs. The Decepticons ([[Malofilm]]) 
[[Image:Flag of Canada.png|20px|Canada]] 1995 — ''Transformers'' — Autobots vs. Decepticons (Malofilm) — French audio only.

;Laserdisc
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1994 — ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' — Convoy Set ([[TakaraTomy|Takara]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1998 — ''The Transformers'' — Autobot Edition ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.

;DVD
[[Image:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers'' — DVD Box 1 (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Original Series: Volume Two ([[Maverick Entertainment|Sony Wonder]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series: Deluxe Edition (Sony Wonder) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''The Original Transformers'' — First Season Collector's Edition ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2002 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Volume One (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2003 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 1: Series 1 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 1 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2007 — ''Classic Transformers'' — Series One: Part One (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2007 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (3DVDs) ([[Flex Media]]) — German audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Germany.png|20px|Germany]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Box-Set (2DVDs) (Flex Media) — German audio only. 
[[Image:Flag of Italy.png|20px|Italy]] 2008 — ''Transformers'' — Volume 01: Stagione Uno Parte Prima ([[Medianetwork Communication]]) — English and Italian audio. 
[[Image:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season One (Metrodome) 
[[Image:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete First Season: 25th Anniversary Edition ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — More than Meets the Eye (Shout! Factory) 
[[Image:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection (Shout! Factory)

==External links==
* [http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/synopses/roll_for_it.html Dossier at the Cybertron Chronicle]

[[Category:Generation 1 episodes]]
[[Category:Generation 2 episodes]]

Create-A-Bot (Autobot)

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{{disambig2|the Autobot|his evil counterpart|Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)}}
:''Create-A-Bot is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] continuity family.''

'''Create-A-Bot''', also known as '''"Kid"''', '''"the Young One"''', and '''"Whatever the [[Slag (slang)|slag]] you want to want to call him"''', is a young Autobot soldier. Eager to fight and prove himself, he is very much the typical brash young youth with a lot of potential. He has never seen his people's home world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], making him a testament to the effect that the war between the Autobots and Decepticons has had on Transformers of his generation.

Thanks to [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]], he can store the data of numerous vehicle forms, making him very versatile in the number of alternate modes he can adopt. He also has a [[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|Decepticon counterpart]].

{{note|Create-A-Bot's in-game name is chosen by the players of the [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|'''Transformers Autobots''']] video game, and can be anything up to seven letters. "Create-A-Bot" is the name used in the credits, and thus, what is used here.}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Autobots'' video game===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Steve Blum]]

Create-A-Bot arrived on [[Earth]] to assist the Autobots already there. Not aware of the true nature of his mission at first, he eventually found out that the Autobots were on Earth to retrieve both the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. Being the youngest and most inexperienced member of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s team, he was determined to prove himself. Unfortunately, his brashness nearly cost him when he went against orders and assisted [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] in distracting [[Sector Seven]] agents, only to end up luring them back to him. Bumblebee threw himself in the line of fire to allow Create-A-Bot to escape, which left the young one ridden with guilt. He managed to rescue Bumblebee and earn the other Autobots' respect. When Megatron took the All Spark and battled Prime, Create-A-Bot attacked him, knocked the All Spark out of Megatron's hands and jammed it into his chest, taking his own life to weaken Megatron. After Prime defeated Megatron, Create-A-Bot's last wishes were that Prime make Earth the new home of the Autobots, to defend it against any other Decepticon threats. {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers Autobots}}

===''Transformers: Decepticons'' video game===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Steve Blum]]

Create-A-Bot (named Unknown in this version, & in the form of a white Notchback) arrived at the Space Needle after four of his comrades were destroyed by [[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|his evil counterpart]]. Upon reaching the area, before the two of them engaged in battle, he told his opposite number to teach him why "the bad guys always lose." His counterpart responded that the Autobots are no better than the Decepticons; they might be on opposite sides, but they're both playing the same game. Despite all this, Create-A-Bot was defeated at the hands of his Decepticon equivalent, despite his insistence that "You're messing with the best here!" {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers Decepticons}}

==Alt-Modes==
'''Cars'''
<center>
{|border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"
|-
|Beater
|Sportster
|[[Swindle (Movie)|Notchback]]
|Import
|Pickup Car
|Longhorn
|Gunner
|-
|Lightning Rider
|Tricked Out Car
|Racer
|Raider
|Speedster
|Hot Rodder
|}</center>

'''Trucks'''

<center>
{|border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"
|-
|SUV
|[[Payload (Movie)|Armored Truck]]
|Peace Van
|[[Dropkick|Pickup]]
|Utility
|Moving Truck
|School Bus
|Flame Truck
|-
|Ice Cream Truck
|Death Truck
|Funky Bus
|Maintenance
|Prison Bus
|Off-Roader
|Safari Truck
|SWAT van
|Transport
|}</center>

'''Aircraft'''
<center>
{|border="1" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="10"
|-
|Chopper
|Attack Copter
|Recon Chopper
|Police Copter
|[[Blazemaster|News Copter]]
|Stealth Chopper
|[[Skydive (Movie)|Skydive]]
|}</center>

==Notes==
*Create-A-Bot's origin is hard to reconcile with other movie fiction as he is a pre-existing Transformer (and thus presumably created by the [[AllSpark (Movie)|All Spark]]), yet he has never seen Cybertron, the only place the All Spark ever WAS before being lost. Maybe he was born blind?
*Several of Create-A-Bot's alternate modes cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points in the [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] online game, "[[AllSpark Wars]]".

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Stronger, Faster

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|title="Stronger, Faster"
|airdate=[[August 14]], [[2011]]
|written by=[[Mairghread Scott]]
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'''Ratchet 'finalizes' the synthetic energon formula and uses himself as a test subject, but it ends up having some negative side effects.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] checks out a sample of [[Synthetic Energon]] he's created, watched by [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]]. Approving the stability of the energon, Ratchet tries it on a test engine, and it works fine. Raf's keen to try it on [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]], but Ratchet says it'll require more testing first. Meanwhile, the base sensors pick up [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] movement, but before [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] gives the order to roll out, Ratchet warns him about the depleted state of their energon reserves. Once Prime's team rolls out, Ratchet has the idea to try the synthetic energon on himself. He does so, and after spending a short period laying on the floor out cold, is roused by Raf. The synthetic energon appears to be a success, giving him more fuel efficiency and better motor functions.

Meanwhile Prime's team chases [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] and [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] through an icy canyon. The Decepticons aren't in any hurry to bridge out, as they're trying to "help" the [[Autobot]]s run out of energon. Some [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s flying overhead blast the sheer sides of canyon, causing a rock fall that blocks off the Autobots' path. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] manages to drive over it in her motorcycle mode, despite Prime's warnings, and races after the two Decepticons, only to be hit by missiles from the Vehicons. She is swiftly surrounded by Decepticons, and things look grim until Ratchet comes flying through the GroundBridge and begins laying into them with gusto. Knock Out and Breakdown assume that the Ratchet's a new Autobot, but are forced to retreat as Optimus, [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] and Bumblebee come into view, firing at them. Ratchet finishes off the last of the Vehicons, to stunned looks from his teammates.

Back at base, Ratchet reveals his secret to the other Autobots, but Optimus doesn't think it's a good idea to test the synthetic energon on Autobots, and underlines the importance of his job as medic. Some time later, Ratchet's retelling his fight to Bulkhead, and in demonstrating a move, manages to throw his fellow Autobot through a nearby wall. The other Autobots are startled at his new personality. Ratchet goes and injects more of the synthetic energon into himself. When the sensors light up again, Prime prepares to roll out again, but Ratchet volunteers to go along.

As they head through a mountainous area, Ratchet moves ninja-style at the front of the team. They soon find some Vehicons and a [[Decepticon Miner|miner]] drilling into a rock face, and Ratchet immediately moves in. When the miner makes a run for it, Ratchet gives chase and knocks him down with a well-thrown rock. The other Autobots find Ratchet forcibly interrogating the miner with his blowtorch. Optimus stops him from finishing off the prisoner and begins to lecture him on doing harm where none is necessary, but Ratchet is agitated, believing they should be more pro-active. As the argument heats up, Ratchet even manages to antagonize Arcee by bringing up [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]], and Prime decides to confine Ratchet to base. Though Ratchet appears to go calmly through the GroundBridge, moments later he charges back out, flattening Bulkhead and racing off. Prime's team returns to base, but is unable to get a fix on Ratchet's signal.

In a Decepticon energon mine, Breakdown is chatting with a miner when Ratchet walks into the cavern. Elsewhere, [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] shouts at Knock Out for not finding a new energon source, but they're interrupted by Ratchet dropping Breakdown on the floor. Megatron scoffs at the newcomer, until a punch from Ratchet sends him flying. Unfortunately Megatron is made of sterner stuff and gives Ratchet a savage injury, telling Knock Out to take a sample so they can find out how Ratchet got so amped up.

On the bright side, Ratchet is rendered visible to the sensors in the [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|Autobot base]], and Optimus, Arcee and Bulkhead use the GroundBridge to attack the mine.

Knock Out finishes taking his sample, and moves in to finish Ratchet off with his circular saw. When the sound of approaching fighting distracts Knock Out, Ratchet takes the opportunity to fight back, resulting in Knock Out's saw getting stuck in the wall. Ratchet promptly grabs the synthetic energon sample and smashes it. Knock Out is outraged, but once more has to retreat as the other Autobots arrive.

Ratchet is hooked up to a drip back at base, and apologizes for his behavior. Optimus points out the new supply of energon they got from the mine, and Ratchet promises to do more testing on the synthetic stuff before using it on Autobots again. Optimus is just thankful they destroyed Knock Out's sample, unaware of the fact that back at the mine, Knock Out has found a single drop of synthetic energon.

==Featured characters==

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*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (1)
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (3)
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (4)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (5)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] (8) (flashback)
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*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (7)
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (9)
*[[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] (10)
*[[Decepticon Miner]] (11)
*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (12)
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*[[Raf Esquivel]] (2)

}}

==Quotes==

"HOOAAH!"
:—'''Ratchet''' gets a new catchphrase. He needed that.

'''Ratchet:''' (''clicks as he walks by'') How's it hummin'? 
'''Arcee:''' ... Did he just? 
'''Bulkhead:''' Stronger, faster, studlier.
:—Yeah, he did.

"It's all right—I'm an emergency vehicle!"
:—'''Ratchet''', engaging the Decepticons.

'''Optimus Prime:''' "A direct assault on the Decepticons would only provoke retaliation...and lead to incalculable losses. I will not endanger innocent human lives." 
'''Ratchet:''' "Yet you seem to have no problem endangering ours! Just ask Cliffjumper! Oh, I forgot! He couldn't be here today!" 
'''Arcee:''' "That's it!" (''Runs toward Ratchet, but Bulkhead holds her back.'') 
'''Ratchet:''' "You know your problem, Optimus? For such a big, strong 'Bot...you're soft. You didn't pound Megatron into scrap when you had the chance! Many chances, in fact!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Arcee''' quickly become victims of Ratchet's new personality.

"Yeah, she's kinda domineering and the extra arms are weird, but... I find myself intrigued by her."
:—'''Breakdown''' chats to a Vehicon about [[Airachnid]].

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*Bumblebee is shown returning with the other Autobots despite staying at base to operate the GroundBridge.
*The sample of synthetic energon Knock Out was holding was only about half full, but when Ratchet picked it up, it was completely full.
*Just before destroying the cylinder of synthetic energon, Ratchet's wound is not shown to be leaking. Mere moments after he's hit the ground, another puddle of energon has formed beneath him.
*Breakdown is knocked out by Ratchet just before he engages Megatron. When the Autobots show up at the end, however, Breakdown has vanished and he isn't shown fleeing with Knock Out.

===Continuity notes===
* The synthetic energon created in the episode is derived from the formula transcribed by Bulkhead in [[T.M.I.|the previous episode]].
* Ratchet's description of the Autobots having fought numerous battles recently is accompanied by flashbacks to various battles from the "[[Darkness Rising]]" five-part pilot among others, including "[[Operation: Breakdown]]" and "[[Partners]]".
* The engine Ratchet uses to test the synthetic energon is a larger version of the device Ratchet built for [[Jack Darby|Jack's]] science project in "[[Masters & Students]]".
* Knock Out confuses Ratchet for a "new" Autobot. Which makes sense, since he hasn't encountered him before. Ratchet was with the other Autobots when they charged in to rescue Bulkhead from Starscream and Breakdown in "[[Operation: Breakdown]]", but it's entirely possible that Breakdown simply didn't see him, since he was focused on escaping and missing an eye at the time.

===Real-world references===
* Given that the plot centres on the idea of artificial enhancement, this episode's title is almost certainly a reference to the opening of the 1974 ''[[wikipedia:The Six Million Dollar Man|Six Million Dollar Man]]'' series, which promised a cybernetic secret agent who was "Better, stronger, faster."
** That said, there's also the possibility it could be a reference to the original [[Action Master]]s [[commercial/Generation 1#1990|commercial]], in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] described the new breed of Transformer as "Stronger, faster, more alive!"
** And we guess we wouldn't ''totally'' rule out the notion that it refers to ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' director/producer [[Wikipedia:George Lucas|George Lucas]]'s desire for his actors to be "Stronger, faster— more intense!", or Daft Punk's 2009 [[Wikipedia:Grammy|Grammy]] winning song ''Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger''.
* It's also the same plot as about a billion after-school specials on the dangers of drugs.

===Trivia===
*The episode was first broadcast on Canada's Teletoon channel.

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An issue of ''[[Venus (magazine)|Venus]]'' featuring [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], as seen in [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]], drawn by [[Bill Forster]].

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Wheelie (ROTF)

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{{disambig3|Wheelie}}
:''Wheelie is an Autobot and a Decepticon from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]]. He is sometimes known as '''Wheels'''.''
[[Image:ROTFWheelie.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Whaddaya lookin' at, [[Bonecrusher (dog)|slobberpuss]]?!]]
'''Wheelie''' is a sneaky little salvage and [[scrap drone]]<ref>Hasbro's online [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/TRANSFORMERS-Glossary.cfm Transformers glossary].</ref>, always underfoot when you least expect it. As a reconnaissance specialist, he's equipped to the teeth with mid-range surveillance equipment. But his real asset is stealth, tooling along unseen and unsuspected while he accomplishes his mission. Unfortunately for his mission, he often bites off more than he can chew—and ends up being the one chewed on!

Although he does seem to have a bit of a "mouth" on him, Wheelie isn't really a ''bad'' sort: a loving home and a little strict discipline could whip him into shape. Allow disgruntlement with the Autobots to grow, however, and he may get ''mean''...

{{quote|Easy, [[Mikaela Banes|Warrior Goddess]], I'm just a little salvage scrap drone.|Wheelie, shortly after earning the nickname "Blinky"|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Pre-''Revenge of the Fallen'' Titan Magazines===

[[Image:Titan5_Wheeliparatrooper.jpg|thumb|left|150px|"Are you sure this'll take my ''weeeiiiggggh-'' '''*KRNCH*''']]

During the Decepticon plot to frame [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] and [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]], Wheelie was parachuted onto their prison convoy by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Once there, he swiftly freed the twins and offered them a place in the Decepticons before he made good his escape.

Also, he totally [[:Image:Titan5_Wheeliethemurderer.jpg|murdered two people]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.6|Outlaw Blues}}

{{Note|The following is in Law and Disorder letters page continuity.}}

Ironhide really, really, ''really'' dislikes Wheelie. Optimus Prime stopped him using the guy as a 'target marker' {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.15|#15's Law and Disorder}} and he's asked the Decepticons to come collect (and torture) him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.10|#10's Law and Disorder}}

{{-}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
:Voice actor: [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Naoki Tatsuta]] (Japanese), [[Rainer Fritzsche]] (German), [[Luca Dal Fabbro]] (Italian), [[Sérgio Stern]] (Portuguese), [[Carlo Vázquez]] (Latin American-Spanish)
[[Image:Wheelie ROTF movie trailer.jpg|thumb|right|300px|No disassemble!]]

Disguised as a remote-controlled monster truck toy, Wheelie was ordered by [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] to steal the [[AllSpark]] fragment that belonged to [[Mikaela Banes]]. Wheelie attempted to unlock the safe in her garage containing the fragment, but the noise he made in trying to avoid the various dangerous objects on the floor alerted her to his presence, so she picked him up with tongs and burnt out his left eye with a blowtorch. Mikaela then demanded to know what he was doing there, and Wheelie explained that he needed to bring the AllSpark shard to the Decepticons, or he'd be terminated, begging mercy of Mikaela, who he dubbed "Warrior Goddess". Despite his protests, Mikaela locked him inside a box, which she took to [[Princeton University]] when [[Sam Witwicky]] told her he had been having visions and breakdowns induced by the fragment. Although [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] later bisected Mikaela's car, Wheelie's box was undamaged and she retrieved and stored it in [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]'s boot.

Wheelie was let out of the box at [[Seymour Simmons]]'s deli in [[New York City]]. Mikaela held him with a chain, but promised she would not hurt him if he promised to explain the [[Cyberglyphics]] Sam had been hallucinating about. Wheelie identified the symbols as the Language of the [[Dynasty of Primes|Primes]], and said that he couldn't read it. When he noticed the pictures of suspected Transformers, he identified them as the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]], saying they could read the language and he could tell them where to find them. Wheelie did, and he accompanied Mikaela, Sam, Simmons, [[Leo Spitz]], Bumblebee, [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] to find [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]] at the Smithsonian. Wheelie told the humans that Jetfire was a living legend, like "chairman of the board" type, and instructed Sam to point the shard at the Blackbird.

[[Image:ROTF-Wheeliedryhumpsaleg.jpg|left|thumb|300px|This is the culmination of 25 years of Transformers fiction. You've come a long way, baby.]]
The surge of energon sent through Jetfire awoke the ancient Seeker, who was irritable and cantankerous, and Wheelie noted that Jetfire had not aged very well. As the larger Decepticon made his way outside, he inquired on the state of the civil war, and informed the group that he had defected years earlier. Wheelie was shocked by Jetfire's discussion of how he defected from the Decepticons to the Autobots, a thought which had never occurred to him, and decided he too would defect to Warrior Goddess, humping Mikaela's leg in joy. Sam objected, but Mikaela noted Wheelie was faithful, [[Alice|unlike]] her boyfriend. That did not stop Sam from punting Wheelie.

Wheelie was taken by Jetfire's [[space bridge]] to [[Jordan]], and from there he travelled with the humans and Autobots to the [[Pyramid]]s of [[Egypt]]. He was present in when Bumblebee was stopped by the Egyptian checkpoint officers. They arrived in Cairo, where he presumably decided to stay safely while everyone else searched for the [[Tomb of the Primes]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{Note|Wheelie is never seen again after entering the run-down building in Cairo with the human characters.}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' novelization===
In Egypt, Wheels stopped a police car by jumping onto its windscreen and smashing it, before Bumblebee and the Twins scared off the officers. After that he ripped off a wiper as a trophy, ran back to Mikaela and buried his face in her cleavage. Later, when the good guys had beaten the Decepticons, Wheelie spun around Sam and Mikaela happily in vehicle mode. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===Coloring books===
[[Image:Wheels rotfcoloringbook.jpg|thumb|Oh '''SNAP!''']]
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===Post-''Revenge of the Fallen'' Titan Magazines===

[[Image:Titan20_WheelieIronhide.jpg|thumb|left|150px|The answer was "on page 4".]]

It had been a year and a half since his defection, and the Autobots ''still'' didn't trust Wheelie (Ironhide in particular making no secret of his contempt) and he knew it. When he volunteered to help hit a Decepticon command hub and was rebuffed, Wheelie tore into the Autobots for how they would never trust him and how they were still waiting for him to backstab them. Bitter and angry, Wheelie went off... to backstab them, warning [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]] of the Autobot/NEST strike team so they could be ambushed.

But Bludgeon was being backstabbed too, as Wheelie disabled the command hub's security features and summoned in [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to Earth. Megatron welcomed him back into the fold {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.20|Divided Loyalties}} and Wheelie knew that, with the true leader back, he could come back in from the cold. Yes, it had all gone well for Wheelie... until [[Dead End (ROTF)|Dead End]], half dead and crazed for "SPARE... PARTS!", came into the command hub. The Autobots would turn up later and finds ''bits'' of Wheelie, sending them to Ratchet to see if there was anything he could do...{{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.21|A Short, Sharp Lesson!}}

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===IDW ''Dark of the Moon'' comics===
Sam, Bumblebee and Wheelie took [[Brains]] to his college. But then the decepticons attacked. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2}} In the battle that folowed, Wheelie alerted Sam that Brains was missing. This eventually let them to rescue Brains from [[Space Case (DOTM)|Space Case]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3}} Wheelie then welcomed Brains to the Autobots, causing Brains to cry. After the battle he and Brains moved to [[Washington, D.C.]] with Sam. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Naoki Tatsuta]] (Japanese), [[Carlo Vázquez]] (Latin American Spanish)
[[Image:DOTMWheelie.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
Wheelie, along with his new friend [[Brains]], moved in with Sam and [[Carly Spencer]]. Wheelie and Brains had a deep friendship, as shown by their constant companionship and their agreement on the [[Mikaela Banes|last girl]] being mean. However neither were exactly happy with their living arrangments, living in a box ''outside'' of the apartment itself, and had a [[Bonecrusher (dog)|dog]] for a neighbor. Wheelie complained about his living conditions, and said he wasn't so sure about moving in with Carly permanetly.

They went with their human housemates to the [[NEST]] base to reveal information to the Autobots, however their offer of help was turned down by [[Charlotte Mearing]]. Wheelie later noted that they were disrespected greatly, and decided they were safer with [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] at Sam and Carly's. However when the Autobots were forced to leave Earth by the human authorities, both Wheelie and Brains were captured and shoved into a small cage. They begged for help from Sam, warning him the whole thing was a Decepticons trap. The duo, along with the other Autobots, were presumed to be killed when [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] destroyed the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'' shortly after take-off.

Thankfully, Wheelie and Brains survived along with the rest of the Autobots by hiding in one of the booster rockets, and came to the aid of Sam, [[Robert Epps|Epps]] and the human race in [[Chicago]]. Wheelie told them that he and the other Autobots would always help humanity and they soon marched off to battle, riding [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]] into the city. Unfortunately, Wheelie and Brains were left behind by the [[Wreckers]] when they were done distracting [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], having fallen off while they were firing.

As they wandered through the streets hopelessly, mumbling about the lack of support, they happened upon a crashed Decepticon ship. They rode it up to one of the massive Decepticon "mother ships" hovering over Chicago that was controlling several smaller ships like the one they hijacked. Wheelie and Brains overrode the ship's controls, dropping several of the small fighters onto the battlefield, causing a distraction just at the right second for [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], preventing Bumblebee from being executed after [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]]. This also allowed the Autobots to gain an essential lead in the battle, proving the duo's worth in the end as the massive ship crashed into a large body of water below.

{{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}

{{Note|Wheelie's fate is not revealed in the film, but he does survive in the novel, and is seen swimming away with Brains after the crash.}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[Image:Wheelie ROTF deluxe toy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|[http://www13.atpages.jp/pcwr/top15/log213.htm WHEEL•E]]]
*'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Deluxe, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-09'''

: Wheelie transforms into a pretty generic "remote controlled" 4 wheel drive truck with oversized tires. his chest features a flip-around panel that shifts his allegiance from Decepticon to Autobot (and back). His eyes are on independent rotating swivels, giving him the ability to have somewhat different expressions. Each eye is also sculpted differently, with his left eye having less details than the right, a reference to when Mikaela blow-torched his eye.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/Wheelie/wheelie.htm More information on Wheelie at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:ROTF-toy Wheelie.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Now a toy that actually matches my size.]]
*'''Autobot Wheelie''' (Legends, 2009)

: Part of the fifth wave of [[Legends Class]] figures, Wheelie transforms into a generic "remote controlled" 4 wheel drive pickup truck with oversized tires.You can see his eyes in vehicle mode, right where his rear window should be, yeah.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/LegAutobotWheelie/wheelie.htm More information on Legends Wheelie at TFU.info]''

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==Notes==
[[Image:ROTFWheelieprop.jpg|thumb|250px|right|Sadly, you can't buy the big one in stores.]]
*The physical prop for Wheelie's vehicle mode used for the [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|movie]]<ref name="udvarhazy">[http://www.flickr.com/photos/curlrup Various ROTF props and toys on display at the Udvar-Hazy Center], July/August 2009</ref> is a modified monster truck version of a Ford F-350 pick-up truck, specifically a customized Tamiya F-350 High Lift RC toy including a grille guard<ref name="highlift">[http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/item.php?product-id=58372 Tamiya USA's page for the F-350 High Lift]</ref>, with the body slightly shortened and mounted on an HPI Wheely King chassis<ref name="wheely">[http://www.hpieurope.com/kit-info.php?partNo=10831&lang=en HPI's page for the Wheely King]</ref>. Other modifications include the use of Integy Alloy TVP chassis plates<ref name="alloy">[http://www.integy.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=4943&p_catid=114 Team Integrity's page for the Alloy TVP chassis plates.]</ref>, HPI Spike Truck Wheels<ref name="hpispike">[http://www.hpiracing.com/products/en/3082/ HPI page for the Spike Truck Wheels]</ref> and (possibly scratch-built) fender add-ons for the truck body itself. A prop for one of Wheelie's feet, complete with an attached tire, was also made.<ref name="udvarhazy"/>

* Wheelie was a bit different in earlier drafts of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' script. Originally, he was named "Wheels", and was a much more primitive little creature, speaking in a broken, simplistic dialogue—source of the "Warrior Goddess" epithet that seems fairly out of place with the fast-talking Italian accent he ultimately wound up with in the finished film. This version of the character appeared in the film [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] in the [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|comic adaptation]], since they were both based on the script; furthermore, [[Simon Furman]] rather oddly kept using this portrayal of the character in [[Titan Books|Titan]]'s [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|UK comic]] several months after the film had come out before knocking it off about a year-and-a-half later.

*In their audio commentary on the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' DVD and Blu-ray release, screenwriters [[Roberto Orci]] and [[Alex Kurtzman]] refer to Wheelie by his early working name, "Wheels". [[Michael Bay]], meanwhile, calls him by his toys' name.

*Seeing Mikaela for the first time, Wheelie describes her as "hot" but "not too bright." Interesting that a sentient machine would find a human [[Transformer romance|sexually attractive]]. He, in fact, humps her leg later in the movie.

*[[Titan Books|Titan Magazines]] and [[Hasbro UK]] seemed unaware of Wheelie's return in ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', since in their comics, Wheelie defected back to the Decepticons - in a way that left an Autobot dead - in one issue and then had him eaten in the next! The Autobots are unaware he betrayed them and talk like Ratchet can patch him up, but that seems a last-minute "oh whoops" patch-up.

*Despite changing sides in the previous movie, Wheelie still sports an embossed Decepticon symbol on his back in Dark of the Moon.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wheelie''' (ホィーリー ''Hīrī'')
*''German:'' '''Wheeler''' (''Revenge of the Fallen'' dub)

==References==
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[[Category:Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category:Drones]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Decepticons]]
[[Category:Spies]]
[[Category:Turncoats]]

Abominus (G1)

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{{disambig2|the evil Decepticon combiner from Generation 1|his heroic mirror-universe counterpart|Abominus (SG)}}
:''Abominus is a [[Decepticon]] [[Combiner]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:MTMTEAbominus.jpg|right|350px|thumb|When a guy's knees have teeth, it's time to panic.]]
Even more so than the other Decepticon [[combiner]]s, '''Abominus''' is a being of mindless fury. He's not truly a warrior—he's an animal, the destructive rages of the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s that compose him personified. His commanders can't give him orders simplistic enough for him to understand, so they just point him in the direction of objects that need to be smashed, and turn him loose. The only thing that distinguishes him from a wild beast is the enjoyment he derives from his terrible rampages.

Abominus is the combined form of all five Terrorcons:

*[[Hun-Gurrr]] (leader)
*[[Rippersnapper (G1)|Rippersnapper]]
*[[Blot (G1)|Blot]]
*[[Sinnertwin (G1)|Sinnertwin]]
*[[Cutthroat (G1)|Cutthroat]]

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actors:'' [[Jim Gosa]] (English); [[Ken Shiroyama|Chikao Shiroyama]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Abominus1.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Da BOMBinus!]]
Abominus first battled the [[Autobot]]s when the Decepticons tried to secure [[Anti-electron|anti-electrons]] from the severed head of [[Unicron]], and proved too much for [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] to handle. Fortunately, the recently super-intelligent [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] had just created the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]], who were capable of forming [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. The Autobot gestalt defeated Abominus by vibrating. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}

Later, when the Terrorcons allied with the [[Quintesson]]s, they installed a timer mechanism which would cause them to separate after combining into Abominus. Computron used this ability to cause Abominus to separate. {{storylink|Money Is Everything}}

In a battle on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|moon]], Abominus fought alongside his beastly brother-in-arms [[Predaking]] against the Autobots, until both were called by a mysterious voice, along with the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], animal Cassettes, [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Attacking a laboratory that was holding a new type of protective metal, Abominus found himself counter-attacked by Computron. Abominus ultimately held the upper hand, smashing Computron before he could solve an algorithm to get the upper hand. Definitely, Computron Think Too Much! {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

Abominus took part on Galvatron's assault on Cybertron. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}
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====''The Great Transformer War''====
Abominus fared poorly in battle with the new Autobot combiner, [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. The weapon upgrades given to him by Doctor [[Dalton]], the famous scientist, were almost overpowering. The Terrorcons were forced to implement Galvatron's back-up plan, splitting Abominus back into his individual parts and assaulting Computron with [[Cohesive Control Liquid]]. They briefly took control of Computron, but [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] managed to neutralize the control liquid with Dalton's help. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 2|The Great Transformer War #2}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masato Hirano]] (Japanese)

In 2011, the Terrorcons were part of the first wave of Galvatron's siege on Cybertron, hoping to gain control of [[Vector Sigma]]. They formed Abominus to battle [[Superion (G1)|Superion]]. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Later on, Abominus teamed up with his fellow combiners to wage war on their Autobot counterparts. Their victory seemed assured until the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] swooped in and scattered the Decepticon combiners. They barely survived the encounter. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} On Earth, the Terrorcons intervened on [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s search for the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] kept the Terrorcons busy so that Hot Rod could complete his mission. Even after the Terrorcons formed Abominus, the Headmasters stood against them, and the arrival of Computron swung the odds firmly on the Autobots' side. Abominus was last seen with his head buried in the sand, being kicked in the side by Computron. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}} Abominus once again found himself battling Superion shortly before Cybertron was destroyed by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s bombs. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}} He was also assembled on [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] to fight [[Raiden]] and the Headmasters, during Scorponok's scheme to explode the planet and harvest its [[plasma energy]]. {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}} On Earth, the Terrorcons united into Abominus to fight Computron for a supply of energy. He fell before his foe's flying feet. For sure. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

[[Image:HeadFormation MonsterbotsVsAbominus.JPG|right|200px|thumb|]]
Abominus joined the Decepticons on their space mission to gather energy from throughout the universe. He battled Computron on the [[Twin Star]] planets. {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}} He also helped collect energon on [[Paradise]]. Abominus battled the Autobot [[Monsterbot]]s, but was driven off by their flame breath. Or, rather, by their flame breath igniting a cache of energon cubes. (A civilization that uses a highly explosive substance as both food and money. No wonder they've been at war off-and-on for 11 million years.) {{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}

As the Decepticons returned to our solar system, Sixshot made heavy use of Abominus on Earth. He was dispatched to [[Miami]] to raid an Autobot energy facility and had fun body-slamming Computron around the landscape. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Later, he was dispatched as part of Sixshot five-fold simultaneous attack on Autobot outposts around the globe. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} Abominus also joined Predaking in double-teaming Raiden on the Kamchatka Peninsula, in the [[Pacific Ring of Fire]]. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}}

On the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], Abominus was with the Decepticons when Chromedome and his young allies launched an ill-fated assault on MegaZarak. Abominus shot down [[Kirk]], leader of the young warriors Chromedome had been training. {{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}} Abominus was present at the North Pole for the final battle with the Autobots over the [[crysmagnetal]] and Scorponok's Death Towers. He and Bruticus double-teamed Computron during the fight. Abominus escaped into deeper space with the rest of the Decepticons after Fortress Maximus brought an end to Scorponok's plans. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

{{note|Following ''The Headmasters'', Japanese cartoon continuity branches off in two similar but distinct directions. One branch is primarily chronicled in the ''[[Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'', ''[[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'' and ''Zone'' animated series, while the other was told through the respective [[manga]] and [[Story page|story pages]] of each series, as published in ''[[TV Magazine]]''. As such, there are two discreet versions of the ''Zone'' story that both spin out of the cartoon timeline, detailed individually below.}}

====''Zone'' cartoon continuity====
=====''Zone'' catalog=====
Over fifteen years later, Abominus joined several other powerful Decepticons in an assault on planet [[Zone (planet)|Zone]], led by the reborn [[Emperor of Destruction|Dark Emperor]] [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]. Attempting to steal their [[Energon Z]], the Decepticons proved no match for the [[Micromaster]]s and were driven away. {{storylink|Zone (story page)#Catalogue story page 1|Zone Project Story}}

=====''Zone'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Yukimasa Kishino]] (Japanese)

[[Image:AbominusZone1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|John McCain vs. Barack Obamanus, '08.]]
When [[Violen Jiger]] seized command of the Decepticons, his first act was to recruit the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]], strong chosen individuals from Decepticon history. Abominus was selected to be one of those Generals and was given the rank "Monster General" as well as new power and weaponry to make him an even greater threat than before. Abominus was sent to the Planet [[Feminia]] to wreak havoc along with [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. Together, they destroyed the entire planet and nearly killed [[Star Saber (Victory)|Victory Saber]] in the process. {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!‎}}

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====''Zone'' comic and story pages====
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the [[Nine Great Demon Generals]], upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. Abominus was among them. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}}

The Generals then united to attack planet Feminia once again, this time destroying it utterly. Violen Jiger next charged his Generals with collecting [[Energon Z]] and the all-powerful [[Zodiac]], which he intended to use to fuel his conquest. [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]], [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], Bruticus and Abominus attacked planet Zone, defeating the Micromaster teams and stealing their Energon Z core. The Micromasters pursued them into space, only to be stopped by [[BlackZarak]] and his energy web. {{storylink|Zone (manga)|Zone}}

Later, the Generals managed to school [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] and the [[Metrosquad]] in the ways of evil, making them more than formidable foes for the Powered Masters. {{storylink|Zone (story page)|Zone Part 7}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:Abominus love and steel.jpg|left|200px|thumb|[[Scattershot (G1)|Scattershot]] calling the kettle black.]]
The Terrorcons were part of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s crew on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and when he led his troops to the world of [[Nebulos]], they came along as well. The Terrorcons and [[Horrorcon]]s were, naturally enough, terrorizing the resort city of [[Splendora]], when they came under attack by [[Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], and the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]]. The Terrorcons responded by merging into Abominus.

Rather than actually attacking his enemies, Abominus began brainlessly smashing his way through the city, till the Technobots combined into [[Computron (G1)|Computron]] and blasted him. Computron then bashed Abominus with a steel beam, hitting him so hard that he broke apart into the Terrorcons, who promptly retreated. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}}

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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
The Terrorcons and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] intercepted [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s team during the search for [[Metascan Alpha]]. The Terrorcons united into Abominus, but the Autobots ignored them and continued with their mission. A short time later, Abominus came under attack from the [[Destructon]]s and was blasted apart. The Terrorcons began a retreat and found themselves being aided by Ultra Magnus, resulting in Cyclonus agreeing to a truce between the two factions. {{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and Abominus stood guard over [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] and [[Brainstorm]] on the Jail planet. They were defeated and their prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
:''Voice actor:''

Abominus appeared before the Autobots when they reached the halfway point to ELTA. When Rodimus Prime announced that the gestalt was trouble, the Terrorcon combiner said that he was going to pound the Autobots into scrap. Nevertheless, Abominus found himself defeated like all the others. Deciding that he had to get away, he flew off. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

==Toys==
[[Image:G1abominus toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Nothing says unstoppable anger like a hot pink chemise and booties.]]
* '''Abominus''' (1987)
** ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-84'''

: Abominus is formed out of all five Terrorcons. As a [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style combiner, each smaller Terrorcon attaches as limbs into the central body, Hun-Gurrr. He is completed by attaching fists, feet, a large chestplate, and a head, and is armed with Hun-Gurrr's [[Sonic stun-gun|rifle]].

:The instructions recommend the limb configuration pictured at the right, however due to their design any of the small Terrorcons (or any of the other Scramble City-style limbs from other combiners) can be used as any limb for Abominus.

: Similarly to [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], Hun-Gurrr's own slender legs lead to Abominus having some disproportionately thin thighs.

: Thanks to Hun-Gurrr's articulation, Abominus is perhaps the most poseable of the ''Generation 1'' combiners. He can swing his legs forward and backward as well as to the side, and also has knees, even if they are a little high. If you follow the configuration for Abominus as per his instructions, his right leg also gets another piece of articulation thanks to Cutthroat's unusual hip swivel (kind of a really high ankle).

: The Terrorcons were sold individually in most markets. The [[giftset]] was only released in Italy and Japan.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Decepticon/Abominus/abominus.htm More information on Abominus at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Caramel===
[[Image:Caramel_abominus.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Abominus''' (1987)
:A soft-rubber figurine of Abominus was available as part of [[Kabaya]]'s ''[[Transformers Milk Caramel]]'' line of "[[candy toy]]s" in yellow, red or blue. Like all the figures from the ''Headmasters'' assortment, the figure was permanently attached to a flat base that had a rubber stamp of Abominus's face and name on its underside.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Abominus''' (オボミナス ''Obominasu'')
*''Italian:'' '''Thundertron'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Qiu Yu Gui''' (China, 求雨鬼, "Ghost Praying for Rain")
*''Russian:'' '''Oblomius''' (cartoon, "Failurius")

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Punch (G1)

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{{disambig3|Punch}}
:''Counterpunch is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. His [[Autobot]] counterpart, Punch, is nearby. Real nearby.''
[[Image:G1 PunchCounterpunc art.jpg|right|350px|thumb|He takes his energon shaken, AND stirred.]]
'''Punch''' possesses a unique transformation ability that allows him to adopt a second robot mode. Using this secondary form, he poses as a Decepticon named '''Counterpunch''', in order to infiltrate the villains' ranks and spy on them as a double agent.

On the surface, Punch is a silent, stoic individual who is able to easily take command in a crisis by virtue of the fact that his cool head keeps those around him calm by extension. But in truth, this calm, quiet personality is an act Punch puts on, and sadder still, he lies even to himself about his reasons for doing so. Although Punch would like to believe that he keeps silent because his job means that saying too much is a danger to his life, in truth, his real reason is that he is completely paranoid, distrusting everyone around him. Switching repeatedly from Punch to Counterpunch and venturing into the dark heart of the Decepticon camp has had an adverse effect on Punch, leaving him a twisted bundle of neuro-circuits. So complete a disguise has he made of the change from Autobot to Decepticon that Punch’s entire personality changes when he becomes Counterpunch. Although Counterpunch retains his Autobot sensibilities—at least enough to carry out his duties as a double agent, acquiring information for the Autobots while feeding the Decepticons just enough to maintain cover—the other aspects of his personality switch completely. The urges Punch holds in restraint all find savage, violent release as Counterpunch. Punch has been working undercover so long, his invented persona of Counterpunch is gaining an increasing life of its own, with Punch suffering worrying blackouts during his actions while masquerading as a Decepticon.<ref>[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|''More Than Meets The Eye'' issue 5]]</ref> Constantly walking the knife’s edge, Punch is suspicious of all those around him, seeing potential Decepticon spies where he should Autobot allies, fearing that there could be a double agent among them, operating as easily as he does among the Decepticons.

Punch is armed with a twin mortar launcher that fires highly-combustible firebombs. Conversely, as Counterpunch, he wields a photon cannon which fires a high-density stream of energy that can scramble a Transformer’s circuits. Luckily for the Autobots, all among their ranks are outfitted with damper devices that reduce the cannon’s effect, but produce enough pyrotechnics to keep Punch’s cover from being blown.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[John Moschitta]] (English), [[Katsuhisa Hōki]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|250px|You deal with my Autobot counterpart then! I heard he's nearby...]]
In 2007, when the Decepticons attacked [[Autobot City]] after the end of a [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|short-lived truce]], Punch observed [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]] breaking into the city while the other Autobots were occupied with the battle. Seeking to discover their objective, he transformed into Counterpunch and caught up to them when they were breaking into a vault within the city. Informing them that [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had told him to check up on them, Counterpunch's offer of help was rebuffed by the two clones, and Counterpunch departed, making a big noise about how he had heard his "Autobot counterpart" was "nearby... real nearby."

[[Image:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Look I found James Bond! Punch him!]]

Naturally, Counterpunch promptly transformed back to Punch as soon as he had stepped out of the clones' line of sight, and opened fire on them from behind. Wingspan was able to get behind Punch and grabbed him, holding him so that Pounce could savage him in puma mode. Punch collapsed, and the two clones made off with the contents of the vault – the [[key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|key]] to the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]]. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] soon discovered Punch's unconscious body and roused him, but Punch could only silently point to the empty vault, confirming Prime's worst fear.

Punch was subsequently part of an Autobot contingent led by Prime who pursued the Decepticons to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. At Prime's order, Punch, [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] and [[Fastlane]] began searching the planet for the key, but unbeknownst to them, it had already been been used to briefly open the Plasma Energy Chamber. The resulting energy discharge blasted a group of Autobots led by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] across the galaxy to the planet [[Nebulos]], and the key with them. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Punch and the Autobot clones soon reported back to Prime that there was no sign of Kup's team or the key, prompting Prime to consult [[Vector Sigma]] for answers. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_punch.jpg|left|thumb]]

When Punch made his debut, he was already installed within the Decepticon ranks as Counterpunch and serving as [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s closely-trusted informant. Among the true information Counterpunch fed the Decepticon leader in order to maintain his cover were details of the movements of the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] when they attempted an impassioned attack on [[Chaar]] after the destruction of [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. Using the information, Scorponok repelled their attack, much to the chagrin of [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]], who was particularly infuriated that Counterpunch had "somehow" turned up information that his own spying had failed to. Soon thereafter, Punch returned to the Autobot base on [[Athenia]], and informed Autobot [[Supreme Commander]] [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] that Scorponok was about to hold a ceremony on [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]] to coronate himself emperor of the Decepticons. During the ceremony, Galvatron returned from his prior apparent demise, and retook leadership of the Decepticons from Scorponok. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}

When both the Autobots and Decepticons received an SOS signal from the energy-deprived planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]], Fortress was unsure how to proceed. Punch arrived to with information to help him come to a decision, as he let him know that the Decepticons had chosen to ignore the signal. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_counterpunch.jpg|right|225px|thumb]]

Later, Punch informed the Autobots on Athenia of the arrival of the newest Decepticon warriors, the [[Horrorcon]]s, on Chaar. Not long after, when Galvatron departed for Earth to conduct potential peace talks with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Punch soon received a nasty surprise when he discovered that Spike was actually debating with a disguised [[Sixshot]], and that the true Galvatron was still on Chaar, preparing to lead the Decepticons on an interplanetary energy raid while the Autobots were distracted. Punch snuck away from the crowd to radio the Autobots on Athenia and clue them in, but unfortunately, even with Punch's inside information, the Autobots were unable to stop the Decepticons from departing on their mission of evil. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

As Counterpunch, Punch stayed with the Decepticons as they hopped from planet to planet. He met up with his Autobot comrades again when the Decepticons set down on the planet [[Daros]], informing them that Scorponok had sent the Decepticon Headmasters to kill a local [[Beastformer]] that knew of the location of Scorponok's secret weak spot. Punch informed the Autobot Headmasters that he believed the Beastformer, [[Tekna]], to be hiding in the [[North-South Caves]], and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] set off to search for him. {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}}

[[Image:Punch_sneakity_sneak.jpg|left|thumb|Turn around! Your cover's blown!]]

Eventually, the Decepticons returned to Chaar with a huge stockpile of [[energon cube]]s, and it was Punch's duty to find out what Galvatron's master plan for the amassed energy was. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Punch had little luck at first, bluffing his way through a carelessly-worded conversation with Galvatron and failing to learn anything more about the Decepticon leader's plan, other than that he was about to depart for Earth. Despite his lack of information, Punch raced to Earth to report his finding to Fortress with such speed that he almost forgot to transform out of his Counterpunch form before entering Autobot City. Completing his report, he then headed for the Decepticons' Earth base, in hopes of listening in on the schemes Galvatron was cooking up there. Again, he bumbled his way through an altercation with Scourge, claiming that he had been kneeling by a door because he had dropped something and quickly crawling off around a corner in search of this phantom object. He even considered switching out of his Counterpunch disguise, before he realized how foolish he was being. Finally, Punch found success with the time-honored tradition of listening through an air-vent, and discovered that Galvatron's master plan was to use the energy to fuse himself with the Earth itself. In the course of the conversation, Galvatron revealed that his head was his weakest point, and Punch quickly returned to Autobot City to reveal all he had discovered to Fortress. Fortress flew Punch to Alaska, where a battle was currently raging between Galvatron and the Autobot Headmasters, and Punch called out to inform them of Galvatron's weak spot. Enraged to discover that Punch was a spy, Galvatron soon found insult added to injury, as the Headmasters used Punch's information to finally defeat him and entomb him beneath the polar ice. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

[[Image:Punch_and_fortress.jpg|right|thumb|He's been caught red-handed!]]
With the demise of Galvatron, Scorponok once again seized Decepticon leadership, a fact which Punch quickly passed along to the other Autobots. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}} When Scorponok took the Decepticons back to planet Master, Punch, as Counterpunch, went with them, then returned to Earth after Scorponok successfully forged his [[Zarak Shield]]. Setting down in the [[Strait of Gibraltar]], Scorponok instructed Counterpunch to observe the Autobots movements for him. Counterpunch leapt from Scorponok to the shore, but before he could even turn around, Scorponok had vanished beneath the waves, leaving Punch unable to inform Fortress of the evil emperor's whereabouts. Punch vowed to locate Scorponok for his commander. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} Little could Punch have known that Scorponok was operating out of the sub-oceanic ruins of [[Lemuria (G1)|Lemuria]], and was using the sunken continent's [[crysmagnetal]] to forge "[[Death Tower]]s" that would rip the Earth apart. Punch soon discovered that Scorponok was planning to outfit the Death Towers with energy induction boosters that would magnify their destructive effects, and informed Fortress and the Autobots that the villain was on his way to [[Egypt]] to do so with the Death Tower there. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

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====''Super-God Masterforce'' comic====
Years later, Punch was among the Autobots on Athenia when the Autobot [[Godmaster]] [[Ginrai]] was brought to the planet so that Fortress could pass the mantle of Supreme Commander on to him. Unfortunately, this led to an attack by the Decepticons under the command of [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|The Battle Begins! The United Earth-Space Troops}}

===''Timelines''===
[[Image:BotCon2010Promo-PunchCounterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|300px|He's not a double agent, he just doesn't want to clash with his surroundings.]]
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gathered Counterpunch and [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] to brainstorm ideas for ultimate weapons, Breakdown suggested they might find what they're looking for at [[BotCon 2010]]. Counterpunch brought this information to the Autobots as Punch, and the Autobots likewise made BotCon plans. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}

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==Commercial appearances==
[[Image:PunchCounterpunchCommercial.jpg|thumb|300px|Unfortunately for the Autobots, Counterpunch was TWICE as loyal to the Decepticons.]]
Punch/Counterpunch appeared in at least one [[commercial|television commercial]]:

* Within a mechanical room, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] handed Punch an unknown device while [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]] looked on. Saluting, Punch assured Rodimus that he could trust him. He then transformed and drove off, speeding to a rocky area where [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] awaited him. Changing from vehicle mode into Counterpunch, he gave Galvatron the device. Saluting, Counterpunch assured Galvatron that he could trust him.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy-Punch.jpg|right|300px|thumb|One toy, twice the fun!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Doublespy, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-111'''
**''Accessories:'' "Twin Mortar Launcher", "Photon Cannon"
: Punch transforms into a blue Pontiac Fiero. He has two distinct robot modes, with separate guns and [[Rubsign|rubsigns]] for each. They have separate arms, but the backs of Punch's torso, legs, and even head are the fronts of Counterpunch's and vice versa. The top of their shared head tilts to disguise the face not currently being used.

: The transformation for Punch's robot mode depicted in the toy's instructions and animation is, in fact, not the intended transformation for the toy. As illustrated in the inset of the image at right, rather than extend all the way, as they do for Counterpunch, the legs are supposed to fold back at the "knee" with Counterpunch's feet folded out 180 degrees to become Punch's own (this, then, gives a purpose to the otherwise-pointless ridges on his feet, which now serve to keep the robot stable). This transformation—depicted in the toy's box art and on the front of his instruction booklet (sans feet)—creates a much smaller robot mode for Punch, more in-line with the proportions of the 1984 and 85 Autobot Cars, that serves to further distinguish him from Counterpunch.
::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Punch/punch.htm More information on Punch at TFU.info]''
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===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Punch.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Headlights are painted over for extra G1 accuracy!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Pistol, engine supercharger intakes

: One of two [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[exclusive]] toys offered in [[2010]], Punch/Counterpunch is a [[retool]]ing of the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Sunstreaker (G1)#Classic Series|Sunstreaker]]/[[Sideswipe (G1)#Classic Series|Sideswipe]] mold, transforming into a ''heavily'' modified [[wikipedia:Lamborghini_Gallardo|Lamborghini Gallardo]] with customized engine supercharger intakes mounted just behind the roof. This supercharger can form a sort of "jetpack" by attaching to his back in Punch mode, chest armor in Counterpunch mode, or be attached to the pistol to make a larger gun. The pistol can also be mounted on a peg-hole in the robot-mode shoulder.

: Punch/Counterpunch makes use of the mold's two robot-mode configurations as a single toy. His new head replicates the original toy's two-faced "flip-cap" head, hiding the eyes of whichever face he isn't using at the time. (The fists need to be physically swapped between the two if you ''really'' want to be super-accurate.) Punch's face now has a mouth as per his "[[The Rebirth]]" model, but retains the toy's separate eyes. His head is very very very tiny, likely to accommodate his fliptop forehead during transformation. Coincidentally, Fun Publications failed to release photos of his robot mode until after the toy was already in buyers' hands.

: Punch went up for pre-order on the Club site on the evening of [[March 26]], 2010 at a price of $59. Despite pictures of his robot modes remaining unseen throughout, all 1800 units sold out by the morning of [[March 29]], the biggest and fastest sell out of a Club exclusive yet. Punch started shipping [[June 15]]. So great was the demand for Punch that a second run of only 300 figures was produced, which went on sale on [[August 11]]. These were limited to one-per-customer, and were only available to customers who had not purchased a Punch previously, but despite these restrictions, they were sold out within only a few hours.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]''/''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Red Alert]] and the [[BotCon 2010]] exclusive [[Breakdown (G1)#Timelines 2|Breakdown]].

: Punch features the hole where the light bar would screw in on ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Red Alert on the top of his car mode roof, though it is covered with a rub symbol.

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==Notes==
The Doublespy concept seems to have been kicking around for a while before actually being executed:

* A concept sketch exists that depicts Punch/Counterpunch as a hi-tech jet more in line with the 1986+ aesthetic which transforms in a way somewhat similar to the final car version.<ref>[[Transformers Generations|Transformers Generations Deluxe]], p97.</ref>

* Not one but two early patents were filed for a car Doublespy. The first patent depicts the car that can turn into a large robot or split straight across the middle, with the front and back ends of the car each transforming into a separate robot. It uses a car model identical to the final Punch/Counterpunch.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP61106187&F=0&QPN=JP61106187 Patent #JP61-106187]</ref>

* The second patent keeps the car as a single unit, however the car now folds along the center from the front bumper to the rear windshield. One robot mode is formed when the car is transformed normally, the other is formed when the car is transformed and folded to reveal a new head, chest, and arms. This model has an identical leg transformation to the final version.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP63038484&F=0&QPN=JP63038484 Patent #JP63-038484]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Doublespy''' (ダブルスパイ ''Daburusupai''), '''Spacepunch''' (スペースパンチ ''Supēsupanchi''), '''Counterpunch''' (カウンターパンチ ''Kauntāpanchi'')
*''French:'' '''Pugilil''', '''Contrecoup''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Spy''', '''Ultraspy'''

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Punch Punch/Counterpunch's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Punch (G1)

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:''Counterpunch is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. His [[Autobot]] counterpart, Punch, is nearby. Real nearby.''
[[Image:G1 PunchCounterpunc art.jpg|right|350px|thumb|He takes his energon shaken, AND stirred.]]
'''Punch''' possesses a unique transformation ability that allows him to adopt a second robot mode. Using this secondary form, he poses as a Decepticon named '''Counterpunch''', in order to infiltrate the villains' ranks and spy on them as a double agent.

On the surface, Punch is a silent, stoic individual who is able to easily take command in a crisis by virtue of the fact that his cool head keeps those around him calm by extension. But in truth, this calm, quiet personality is an act Punch puts on, and sadder still, he lies even to himself about his reasons for doing so. Although Punch would like to believe that he keeps silent because his job means that saying too much is a danger to his life, in truth, his real reason is that he is completely paranoid, distrusting everyone around him. Switching repeatedly from Punch to Counterpunch and venturing into the dark heart of the Decepticon camp has had an adverse effect on Punch, leaving him a twisted bundle of neuro-circuits. So complete a disguise has he made of the change from Autobot to Decepticon that Punch’s entire personality changes when he becomes Counterpunch. Although Counterpunch retains his Autobot sensibilities—at least enough to carry out his duties as a double agent, acquiring information for the Autobots while feeding the Decepticons just enough to maintain cover—the other aspects of his personality switch completely. The urges Punch holds in restraint all find savage, violent release as Counterpunch. Punch has been working undercover so long, his invented persona of Counterpunch is gaining an increasing life of its own, with Punch suffering worrying blackouts during his actions while masquerading as a Decepticon.<ref>[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|''More Than Meets The Eye'' issue 5]]</ref> Constantly walking the knife’s edge, Punch is suspicious of all those around him, seeing potential Decepticon spies where he should Autobot allies, fearing that there could be a double agent among them, operating as easily as he does among the Decepticons.

Punch is armed with a twin mortar launcher that fires highly-combustible firebombs. Conversely, as Counterpunch, he wields a photon cannon which fires a high-density stream of energy that can scramble a Transformer’s circuits. Luckily for the Autobots, all among their ranks are outfitted with damper devices that reduce the cannon’s effect, but produce enough pyrotechnics to keep Punch’s cover from being blown.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[John Moschitta]] (English), [[Katsuhisa Hōki]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|250px|You deal with my Autobot counterpart then! I heard he's nearby...]]
In 2007, when the Decepticons attacked [[Autobot City]] after the end of a [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|short-lived truce]], Punch observed [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]] breaking into the city while the other Autobots were occupied with the battle. Seeking to discover their objective, he transformed into Counterpunch and caught up to them when they were breaking into a vault within the city. Informing them that [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had told him to check up on them, Counterpunch's offer of help was rebuffed by the two clones, and Counterpunch departed, making a big noise about how he had heard his "Autobot counterpart" was "nearby... real nearby."

[[Image:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Look I found James Bond! Punch him!]]

Naturally, Counterpunch promptly transformed back to Punch as soon as he had stepped out of the clones' line of sight, and opened fire on them from behind. Wingspan was able to get behind Punch and grabbed him, holding him so that Pounce could savage him in puma mode. Punch collapsed, and the two clones made off with the contents of the vault – the [[key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|key]] to the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]]. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] soon discovered Punch's unconscious body and roused him, but Punch could only silently point to the empty vault, confirming Prime's worst fear.

Punch was subsequently part of an Autobot contingent led by Prime who pursued the Decepticons to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. At Prime's order, Punch, [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] and [[Fastlane]] began searching the planet for the key, but unbeknownst to them, it had already been been used to briefly open the Plasma Energy Chamber. The resulting energy discharge blasted a group of Autobots led by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] across the galaxy to the planet [[Nebulos]], and the key with them. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Punch and the Autobot clones soon reported back to Prime that there was no sign of Kup's team or the key, prompting Prime to consult [[Vector Sigma]] for answers. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_punch.jpg|left|thumb]]
I will Counterpunch you wth my Punch!!! Wait.....what?????

When Punch made his debut, he was already installed within the Decepticon ranks as Counterpunch and serving as [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s closely-trusted informant. Among the true information Counterpunch fed the Decepticon leader in order to maintain his cover were details of the movements of the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] when they attempted an impassioned attack on [[Chaar]] after the destruction of [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. Using the information, Scorponok repelled their attack, much to the chagrin of [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]], who was particularly infuriated that Counterpunch had "somehow" turned up information that his own spying had failed to. Soon thereafter, Punch returned to the Autobot base on [[Athenia]], and informed Autobot [[Supreme Commander]] [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] that Scorponok was about to hold a ceremony on [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]] to coronate himself emperor of the Decepticons. During the ceremony, Galvatron returned from his prior apparent demise, and retook leadership of the Decepticons from Scorponok. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}

When both the Autobots and Decepticons received an SOS signal from the energy-deprived planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]], Fortress was unsure how to proceed. Punch arrived to with information to help him come to a decision, as he let him know that the Decepticons had chosen to ignore the signal. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_counterpunch.jpg|right|225px|thumb]]

Later, Punch informed the Autobots on Athenia of the arrival of the newest Decepticon warriors, the [[Horrorcon]]s, on Chaar. Not long after, when Galvatron departed for Earth to conduct potential peace talks with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Punch soon received a nasty surprise when he discovered that Spike was actually debating with a disguised [[Sixshot]], and that the true Galvatron was still on Chaar, preparing to lead the Decepticons on an interplanetary energy raid while the Autobots were distracted. Punch snuck away from the crowd to radio the Autobots on Athenia and clue them in, but unfortunately, even with Punch's inside information, the Autobots were unable to stop the Decepticons from departing on their mission of evil. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

As Counterpunch, Punch stayed with the Decepticons as they hopped from planet to planet. He met up with his Autobot comrades again when the Decepticons set down on the planet [[Daros]], informing them that Scorponok had sent the Decepticon Headmasters to kill a local [[Beastformer]] that knew of the location of Scorponok's secret weak spot. Punch informed the Autobot Headmasters that he believed the Beastformer, [[Tekna]], to be hiding in the [[North-South Caves]], and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] set off to search for him. {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}}

[[Image:Punch_sneakity_sneak.jpg|left|thumb|Turn around! Your cover's blown!]]

Eventually, the Decepticons returned to Chaar with a huge stockpile of [[energon cube]]s, and it was Punch's duty to find out what Galvatron's master plan for the amassed energy was. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Punch had little luck at first, bluffing his way through a carelessly-worded conversation with Galvatron and failing to learn anything more about the Decepticon leader's plan, other than that he was about to depart for Earth. Despite his lack of information, Punch raced to Earth to report his finding to Fortress with such speed that he almost forgot to transform out of his Counterpunch form before entering Autobot City. Completing his report, he then headed for the Decepticons' Earth base, in hopes of listening in on the schemes Galvatron was cooking up there. Again, he bumbled his way through an altercation with Scourge, claiming that he had been kneeling by a door because he had dropped something and quickly crawling off around a corner in search of this phantom object. He even considered switching out of his Counterpunch disguise, before he realized how foolish he was being. Finally, Punch found success with the time-honored tradition of listening through an air-vent, and discovered that Galvatron's master plan was to use the energy to fuse himself with the Earth itself. In the course of the conversation, Galvatron revealed that his head was his weakest point, and Punch quickly returned to Autobot City to reveal all he had discovered to Fortress. Fortress flew Punch to Alaska, where a battle was currently raging between Galvatron and the Autobot Headmasters, and Punch called out to inform them of Galvatron's weak spot. Enraged to discover that Punch was a spy, Galvatron soon found insult added to injury, as the Headmasters used Punch's information to finally defeat him and entomb him beneath the polar ice. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

[[Image:Punch_and_fortress.jpg|right|thumb|He's been caught red-handed!]]
With the demise of Galvatron, Scorponok once again seized Decepticon leadership, a fact which Punch quickly passed along to the other Autobots. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}} When Scorponok took the Decepticons back to planet Master, Punch, as Counterpunch, went with them, then returned to Earth after Scorponok successfully forged his [[Zarak Shield]]. Setting down in the [[Strait of Gibraltar]], Scorponok instructed Counterpunch to observe the Autobots movements for him. Counterpunch leapt from Scorponok to the shore, but before he could even turn around, Scorponok had vanished beneath the waves, leaving Punch unable to inform Fortress of the evil emperor's whereabouts. Punch vowed to locate Scorponok for his commander. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} Little could Punch have known that Scorponok was operating out of the sub-oceanic ruins of [[Lemuria (G1)|Lemuria]], and was using the sunken continent's [[crysmagnetal]] to forge "[[Death Tower]]s" that would rip the Earth apart. Punch soon discovered that Scorponok was planning to outfit the Death Towers with energy induction boosters that would magnify their destructive effects, and informed Fortress and the Autobots that the villain was on his way to [[Egypt]] to do so with the Death Tower there. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

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====''Super-God Masterforce'' comic====
Years later, Punch was among the Autobots on Athenia when the Autobot [[Godmaster]] [[Ginrai]] was brought to the planet so that Fortress could pass the mantle of Supreme Commander on to him. Unfortunately, this led to an attack by the Decepticons under the command of [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|The Battle Begins! The United Earth-Space Troops}}

===''Timelines''===
[[Image:BotCon2010Promo-PunchCounterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|300px|He's not a double agent, he just doesn't want to clash with his surroundings.]]
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gathered Counterpunch and [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] to brainstorm ideas for ultimate weapons, Breakdown suggested they might find what they're looking for at [[BotCon 2010]]. Counterpunch brought this information to the Autobots as Punch, and the Autobots likewise made BotCon plans. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}

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==Commercial appearances==
[[Image:PunchCounterpunchCommercial.jpg|thumb|300px|Unfortunately for the Autobots, Counterpunch was TWICE as loyal to the Decepticons.]]
Punch/Counterpunch appeared in at least one [[commercial|television commercial]]:

* Within a mechanical room, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] handed Punch an unknown device while [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]] looked on. Saluting, Punch assured Rodimus that he could trust him. He then transformed and drove off, speeding to a rocky area where [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] awaited him. Changing from vehicle mode into Counterpunch, he gave Galvatron the device. Saluting, Counterpunch assured Galvatron that he could trust him.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy-Punch.jpg|right|300px|thumb|One toy, twice the fun!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Doublespy, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-111'''
**''Accessories:'' "Twin Mortar Launcher", "Photon Cannon"
: Punch transforms into a blue Pontiac Fiero. He has two distinct robot modes, with separate guns and [[Rubsign|rubsigns]] for each. They have separate arms, but the backs of Punch's torso, legs, and even head are the fronts of Counterpunch's and vice versa. The top of their shared head tilts to disguise the face not currently being used.

: The transformation for Punch's robot mode depicted in the toy's instructions and animation is, in fact, not the intended transformation for the toy. As illustrated in the inset of the image at right, rather than extend all the way, as they do for Counterpunch, the legs are supposed to fold back at the "knee" with Counterpunch's feet folded out 180 degrees to become Punch's own (this, then, gives a purpose to the otherwise-pointless ridges on his feet, which now serve to keep the robot stable). This transformation—depicted in the toy's box art and on the front of his instruction booklet (sans feet)—creates a much smaller robot mode for Punch, more in-line with the proportions of the 1984 and 85 Autobot Cars, that serves to further distinguish him from Counterpunch.
::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Punch/punch.htm More information on Punch at TFU.info]''
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===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Punch.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Headlights are painted over for extra G1 accuracy!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Pistol, engine supercharger intakes

: One of two [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[exclusive]] toys offered in [[2010]], Punch/Counterpunch is a [[retool]]ing of the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Sunstreaker (G1)#Classic Series|Sunstreaker]]/[[Sideswipe (G1)#Classic Series|Sideswipe]] mold, transforming into a ''heavily'' modified [[wikipedia:Lamborghini_Gallardo|Lamborghini Gallardo]] with customized engine supercharger intakes mounted just behind the roof. This supercharger can form a sort of "jetpack" by attaching to his back in Punch mode, chest armor in Counterpunch mode, or be attached to the pistol to make a larger gun. The pistol can also be mounted on a peg-hole in the robot-mode shoulder.

: Punch/Counterpunch makes use of the mold's two robot-mode configurations as a single toy. His new head replicates the original toy's two-faced "flip-cap" head, hiding the eyes of whichever face he isn't using at the time. (The fists need to be physically swapped between the two if you ''really'' want to be super-accurate.) Punch's face now has a mouth as per his "[[The Rebirth]]" model, but retains the toy's separate eyes. His head is very very very tiny, likely to accommodate his fliptop forehead during transformation. Coincidentally, Fun Publications failed to release photos of his robot mode until after the toy was already in buyers' hands.

: Punch went up for pre-order on the Club site on the evening of [[March 26]], 2010 at a price of $59. Despite pictures of his robot modes remaining unseen throughout, all 1800 units sold out by the morning of [[March 29]], the biggest and fastest sell out of a Club exclusive yet. Punch started shipping [[June 15]]. So great was the demand for Punch that a second run of only 300 figures was produced, which went on sale on [[August 11]]. These were limited to one-per-customer, and were only available to customers who had not purchased a Punch previously, but despite these restrictions, they were sold out within only a few hours.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]''/''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Red Alert]] and the [[BotCon 2010]] exclusive [[Breakdown (G1)#Timelines 2|Breakdown]].

: Punch features the hole where the light bar would screw in on ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Red Alert on the top of his car mode roof, though it is covered with a rub symbol.

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==Notes==
The Doublespy concept seems to have been kicking around for a while before actually being executed:

* A concept sketch exists that depicts Punch/Counterpunch as a hi-tech jet more in line with the 1986+ aesthetic which transforms in a way somewhat similar to the final car version.<ref>[[Transformers Generations|Transformers Generations Deluxe]], p97.</ref>

* Not one but two early patents were filed for a car Doublespy. The first patent depicts the car that can turn into a large robot or split straight across the middle, with the front and back ends of the car each transforming into a separate robot. It uses a car model identical to the final Punch/Counterpunch.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP61106187&F=0&QPN=JP61106187 Patent #JP61-106187]</ref>

* The second patent keeps the car as a single unit, however the car now folds along the center from the front bumper to the rear windshield. One robot mode is formed when the car is transformed normally, the other is formed when the car is transformed and folded to reveal a new head, chest, and arms. This model has an identical leg transformation to the final version.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP63038484&F=0&QPN=JP63038484 Patent #JP63-038484]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Doublespy''' (ダブルスパイ ''Daburusupai''), '''Spacepunch''' (スペースパンチ ''Supēsupanchi''), '''Counterpunch''' (カウンターパンチ ''Kauntāpanchi'')
*''French:'' '''Pugilil''', '''Contrecoup''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Spy''', '''Ultraspy'''

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Punch Punch/Counterpunch's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Punch (G1)

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{{disambig3|Punch}}
:''Counterpunch is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. His [[Autobot]] counterpart, Punch, is nearby. Real nearby.''
[[Image:G1 PunchCounterpunc art.jpg|right|350px|thumb|He takes his energon shaken, AND stirred.]]
'''Punch''' possesses a unique transformation ability that allows him to adopt a second robot mode. Using this secondary form, he poses as a Decepticon named '''Counterpunch''', in order to infiltrate the villains' ranks and spy on them as a double agent.

On the surface, Punch is a silent, stoic individual who is able to easily take command in a crisis by virtue of the fact that his cool head keeps those around him calm by extension. But in truth, this calm, quiet personality is an act Punch puts on, and sadder still, he lies even to himself about his reasons for doing so. Although Punch would like to believe that he keeps silent because his job means that saying too much is a danger to his life, in truth, his real reason is that he is completely paranoid, distrusting everyone around him. Switching repeatedly from Punch to Counterpunch and venturing into the dark heart of the Decepticon camp has had an adverse effect on Punch, leaving him a twisted bundle of neuro-circuits. So complete a disguise has he made of the change from Autobot to Decepticon that Punch’s entire personality changes when he becomes Counterpunch. Although Counterpunch retains his Autobot sensibilities—at least enough to carry out his duties as a double agent, acquiring information for the Autobots while feeding the Decepticons just enough to maintain cover—the other aspects of his personality switch completely. The urges Punch holds in restraint all find savage, violent release as Counterpunch. Punch has been working undercover so long, his invented persona of Counterpunch is gaining an increasing life of its own, with Punch suffering worrying blackouts during his actions while masquerading as a Decepticon.<ref>[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|''More Than Meets The Eye'' issue 5]]</ref> Constantly walking the knife’s edge, Punch is suspicious of all those around him, seeing potential Decepticon spies where he should Autobot allies, fearing that there could be a double agent among them, operating as easily as he does among the Decepticons.

Punch is armed with a twin mortar launcher that fires highly-combustible firebombs. Conversely, as Counterpunch, he wields a photon cannon which fires a high-density stream of energy that can scramble a Transformer’s circuits. Luckily for the Autobots, all among their ranks are outfitted with damper devices that reduce the cannon’s effect, but produce enough pyrotechnics to keep Punch’s cover from being blown.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[John Moschitta]] (English), [[Katsuhisa Hōki]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|250px|You deal with my Autobot counterpart then! I heard he's nearby...]]
In 2007, when the Decepticons attacked [[Autobot City]] after the end of a [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|short-lived truce]], Punch observed [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]] breaking into the city while the other Autobots were occupied with the battle. Seeking to discover their objective, he transformed into Counterpunch and caught up to them when they were breaking into a vault within the city. Informing them that [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had told him to check up on them, Counterpunch's offer of help was rebuffed by the two clones, and Counterpunch departed, making a big noise about how he had heard his "Autobot counterpart" was "nearby... real nearby."

[[Image:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Look I found James Bond! Punch him!]]

Naturally, Counterpunch promptly transformed back to Punch as soon as he had stepped out of the clones' line of sight, and opened fire on them from behind. Wingspan was able to get behind Punch and grabbed him, holding him so that Pounce could savage him in puma mode. Punch collapsed, and the two clones made off with the contents of the vault – the [[key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|key]] to the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]]. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] soon discovered Punch's unconscious body and roused him, but Punch could only silently point to the empty vault, confirming Prime's worst fear.

Punch was subsequently part of an Autobot contingent led by Prime who pursued the Decepticons to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. At Prime's order, Punch, [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] and [[Fastlane]] began searching the planet for the key, but unbeknownst to them, it had already been been used to briefly open the Plasma Energy Chamber. The resulting energy discharge blasted a group of Autobots led by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] across the galaxy to the planet [[Nebulos]], and the key with them. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Punch and the Autobot clones soon reported back to Prime that there was no sign of Kup's team or the key, prompting Prime to consult [[Vector Sigma]] for answers. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_punch.jpg|left|thumb]]
I will Counterpunch you with my Punch!!! Wait.....what?????

When Punch made his debut, he was already installed within the Decepticon ranks as Counterpunch and serving as [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s closely-trusted informant. Among the true information Counterpunch fed the Decepticon leader in order to maintain his cover were details of the movements of the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] when they attempted an impassioned attack on [[Chaar]] after the destruction of [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. Using the information, Scorponok repelled their attack, much to the chagrin of [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]], who was particularly infuriated that Counterpunch had "somehow" turned up information that his own spying had failed to. Soon thereafter, Punch returned to the Autobot base on [[Athenia]], and informed Autobot [[Supreme Commander]] [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] that Scorponok was about to hold a ceremony on [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]] to coronate himself emperor of the Decepticons. During the ceremony, Galvatron returned from his prior apparent demise, and retook leadership of the Decepticons from Scorponok. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}

When both the Autobots and Decepticons received an SOS signal from the energy-deprived planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]], Fortress was unsure how to proceed. Punch arrived to with information to help him come to a decision, as he let him know that the Decepticons had chosen to ignore the signal. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_counterpunch.jpg|right|225px|thumb]]

Later, Punch informed the Autobots on Athenia of the arrival of the newest Decepticon warriors, the [[Horrorcon]]s, on Chaar. Not long after, when Galvatron departed for Earth to conduct potential peace talks with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Punch soon received a nasty surprise when he discovered that Spike was actually debating with a disguised [[Sixshot]], and that the true Galvatron was still on Chaar, preparing to lead the Decepticons on an interplanetary energy raid while the Autobots were distracted. Punch snuck away from the crowd to radio the Autobots on Athenia and clue them in, but unfortunately, even with Punch's inside information, the Autobots were unable to stop the Decepticons from departing on their mission of evil. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

As Counterpunch, Punch stayed with the Decepticons as they hopped from planet to planet. He met up with his Autobot comrades again when the Decepticons set down on the planet [[Daros]], informing them that Scorponok had sent the Decepticon Headmasters to kill a local [[Beastformer]] that knew of the location of Scorponok's secret weak spot. Punch informed the Autobot Headmasters that he believed the Beastformer, [[Tekna]], to be hiding in the [[North-South Caves]], and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] set off to search for him. {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}}

[[Image:Punch_sneakity_sneak.jpg|left|thumb|Turn around! Your cover's blown!]]

Eventually, the Decepticons returned to Chaar with a huge stockpile of [[energon cube]]s, and it was Punch's duty to find out what Galvatron's master plan for the amassed energy was. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Punch had little luck at first, bluffing his way through a carelessly-worded conversation with Galvatron and failing to learn anything more about the Decepticon leader's plan, other than that he was about to depart for Earth. Despite his lack of information, Punch raced to Earth to report his finding to Fortress with such speed that he almost forgot to transform out of his Counterpunch form before entering Autobot City. Completing his report, he then headed for the Decepticons' Earth base, in hopes of listening in on the schemes Galvatron was cooking up there. Again, he bumbled his way through an altercation with Scourge, claiming that he had been kneeling by a door because he had dropped something and quickly crawling off around a corner in search of this phantom object. He even considered switching out of his Counterpunch disguise, before he realized how foolish he was being. Finally, Punch found success with the time-honored tradition of listening through an air-vent, and discovered that Galvatron's master plan was to use the energy to fuse himself with the Earth itself. In the course of the conversation, Galvatron revealed that his head was his weakest point, and Punch quickly returned to Autobot City to reveal all he had discovered to Fortress. Fortress flew Punch to Alaska, where a battle was currently raging between Galvatron and the Autobot Headmasters, and Punch called out to inform them of Galvatron's weak spot. Enraged to discover that Punch was a spy, Galvatron soon found insult added to injury, as the Headmasters used Punch's information to finally defeat him and entomb him beneath the polar ice. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

[[Image:Punch_and_fortress.jpg|right|thumb|He's been caught red-handed!]]
With the demise of Galvatron, Scorponok once again seized Decepticon leadership, a fact which Punch quickly passed along to the other Autobots. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}} When Scorponok took the Decepticons back to planet Master, Punch, as Counterpunch, went with them, then returned to Earth after Scorponok successfully forged his [[Zarak Shield]]. Setting down in the [[Strait of Gibraltar]], Scorponok instructed Counterpunch to observe the Autobots movements for him. Counterpunch leapt from Scorponok to the shore, but before he could even turn around, Scorponok had vanished beneath the waves, leaving Punch unable to inform Fortress of the evil emperor's whereabouts. Punch vowed to locate Scorponok for his commander. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} Little could Punch have known that Scorponok was operating out of the sub-oceanic ruins of [[Lemuria (G1)|Lemuria]], and was using the sunken continent's [[crysmagnetal]] to forge "[[Death Tower]]s" that would rip the Earth apart. Punch soon discovered that Scorponok was planning to outfit the Death Towers with energy induction boosters that would magnify their destructive effects, and informed Fortress and the Autobots that the villain was on his way to [[Egypt]] to do so with the Death Tower there. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

{{-}}

====''Super-God Masterforce'' comic====
Years later, Punch was among the Autobots on Athenia when the Autobot [[Godmaster]] [[Ginrai]] was brought to the planet so that Fortress could pass the mantle of Supreme Commander on to him. Unfortunately, this led to an attack by the Decepticons under the command of [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|The Battle Begins! The United Earth-Space Troops}}

===''Timelines''===
[[Image:BotCon2010Promo-PunchCounterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|300px|He's not a double agent, he just doesn't want to clash with his surroundings.]]
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gathered Counterpunch and [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] to brainstorm ideas for ultimate weapons, Breakdown suggested they might find what they're looking for at [[BotCon 2010]]. Counterpunch brought this information to the Autobots as Punch, and the Autobots likewise made BotCon plans. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}

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==Commercial appearances==
[[Image:PunchCounterpunchCommercial.jpg|thumb|300px|Unfortunately for the Autobots, Counterpunch was TWICE as loyal to the Decepticons.]]
Punch/Counterpunch appeared in at least one [[commercial|television commercial]]:

* Within a mechanical room, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] handed Punch an unknown device while [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]] looked on. Saluting, Punch assured Rodimus that he could trust him. He then transformed and drove off, speeding to a rocky area where [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] awaited him. Changing from vehicle mode into Counterpunch, he gave Galvatron the device. Saluting, Counterpunch assured Galvatron that he could trust him.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy-Punch.jpg|right|300px|thumb|One toy, twice the fun!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Doublespy, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-111'''
**''Accessories:'' "Twin Mortar Launcher", "Photon Cannon"
: Punch transforms into a blue Pontiac Fiero. He has two distinct robot modes, with separate guns and [[Rubsign|rubsigns]] for each. They have separate arms, but the backs of Punch's torso, legs, and even head are the fronts of Counterpunch's and vice versa. The top of their shared head tilts to disguise the face not currently being used.

: The transformation for Punch's robot mode depicted in the toy's instructions and animation is, in fact, not the intended transformation for the toy. As illustrated in the inset of the image at right, rather than extend all the way, as they do for Counterpunch, the legs are supposed to fold back at the "knee" with Counterpunch's feet folded out 180 degrees to become Punch's own (this, then, gives a purpose to the otherwise-pointless ridges on his feet, which now serve to keep the robot stable). This transformation—depicted in the toy's box art and on the front of his instruction booklet (sans feet)—creates a much smaller robot mode for Punch, more in-line with the proportions of the 1984 and 85 Autobot Cars, that serves to further distinguish him from Counterpunch.
::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Punch/punch.htm More information on Punch at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Punch.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Headlights are painted over for extra G1 accuracy!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Pistol, engine supercharger intakes

: One of two [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[exclusive]] toys offered in [[2010]], Punch/Counterpunch is a [[retool]]ing of the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Sunstreaker (G1)#Classic Series|Sunstreaker]]/[[Sideswipe (G1)#Classic Series|Sideswipe]] mold, transforming into a ''heavily'' modified [[wikipedia:Lamborghini_Gallardo|Lamborghini Gallardo]] with customized engine supercharger intakes mounted just behind the roof. This supercharger can form a sort of "jetpack" by attaching to his back in Punch mode, chest armor in Counterpunch mode, or be attached to the pistol to make a larger gun. The pistol can also be mounted on a peg-hole in the robot-mode shoulder.

: Punch/Counterpunch makes use of the mold's two robot-mode configurations as a single toy. His new head replicates the original toy's two-faced "flip-cap" head, hiding the eyes of whichever face he isn't using at the time. (The fists need to be physically swapped between the two if you ''really'' want to be super-accurate.) Punch's face now has a mouth as per his "[[The Rebirth]]" model, but retains the toy's separate eyes. His head is very very very tiny, likely to accommodate his fliptop forehead during transformation. Coincidentally, Fun Publications failed to release photos of his robot mode until after the toy was already in buyers' hands.

: Punch went up for pre-order on the Club site on the evening of [[March 26]], 2010 at a price of $59. Despite pictures of his robot modes remaining unseen throughout, all 1800 units sold out by the morning of [[March 29]], the biggest and fastest sell out of a Club exclusive yet. Punch started shipping [[June 15]]. So great was the demand for Punch that a second run of only 300 figures was produced, which went on sale on [[August 11]]. These were limited to one-per-customer, and were only available to customers who had not purchased a Punch previously, but despite these restrictions, they were sold out within only a few hours.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]''/''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Red Alert]] and the [[BotCon 2010]] exclusive [[Breakdown (G1)#Timelines 2|Breakdown]].

: Punch features the hole where the light bar would screw in on ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Red Alert on the top of his car mode roof, though it is covered with a rub symbol.

{{--}}
==Notes==
The Doublespy concept seems to have been kicking around for a while before actually being executed:

* A concept sketch exists that depicts Punch/Counterpunch as a hi-tech jet more in line with the 1986+ aesthetic which transforms in a way somewhat similar to the final car version.<ref>[[Transformers Generations|Transformers Generations Deluxe]], p97.</ref>

* Not one but two early patents were filed for a car Doublespy. The first patent depicts the car that can turn into a large robot or split straight across the middle, with the front and back ends of the car each transforming into a separate robot. It uses a car model identical to the final Punch/Counterpunch.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP61106187&F=0&QPN=JP61106187 Patent #JP61-106187]</ref>

* The second patent keeps the car as a single unit, however the car now folds along the center from the front bumper to the rear windshield. One robot mode is formed when the car is transformed normally, the other is formed when the car is transformed and folded to reveal a new head, chest, and arms. This model has an identical leg transformation to the final version.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP63038484&F=0&QPN=JP63038484 Patent #JP63-038484]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Doublespy''' (ダブルスパイ ''Daburusupai''), '''Spacepunch''' (スペースパンチ ''Supēsupanchi''), '''Counterpunch''' (カウンターパンチ ''Kauntāpanchi'')
*''French:'' '''Pugilil''', '''Contrecoup''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Spy''', '''Ultraspy'''

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Punch Punch/Counterpunch's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Punch (G1)

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{{factions|autobot|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Punch}}
:''Counterpunch is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. His [[Autobot]] counterpart, Punch, is nearby. Real nearby.''
[[Image:G1 PunchCounterpunc art.jpg|right|350px|thumb|He takes his energon shaken, AND stirred.]]
'''Punch''' possesses a unique transformation ability that allows him to adopt a second robot mode. Using this secondary form, he poses as a Decepticon named '''Counterpunch''', in order to infiltrate the villains' ranks and spy on them as a double agent.

On the surface, Punch is a silent, stoic individual who is able to easily take command in a crisis by virtue of the fact that his cool head keeps those around him calm by extension. But in truth, this calm, quiet personality is an act Punch puts on, and sadder still, he lies even to himself about his reasons for doing so. Although Punch would like to believe that he keeps silent because his job means that saying too much is a danger to his life, in truth, his real reason is that he is completely paranoid, distrusting everyone around him. Switching repeatedly from Punch to Counterpunch and venturing into the dark heart of the Decepticon camp has had an adverse effect on Punch, leaving him a twisted bundle of neuro-circuits. So complete a disguise has he made of the change from Autobot to Decepticon that Punch’s entire personality changes when he becomes Counterpunch. Although Counterpunch retains his Autobot sensibilities—at least enough to carry out his duties as a double agent, acquiring information for the Autobots while feeding the Decepticons just enough to maintain cover—the other aspects of his personality switch completely. The urges Punch holds in restraint all find savage, violent release as Counterpunch. Punch has been working undercover so long, his invented persona of Counterpunch is gaining an increasing life of its own, with Punch suffering worrying blackouts during his actions while masquerading as a Decepticon.<ref>[[More Than Meets The Eye (G1)|''More Than Meets The Eye'' issue 5]]</ref> Constantly walking the knife’s edge, Punch is suspicious of all those around him, seeing potential Decepticon spies where he should Autobot allies, fearing that there could be a double agent among them, operating as easily as he does among the Decepticons.

Punch is armed with a twin mortar launcher that fires highly-combustible firebombs. Conversely, as Counterpunch, he wields a photon cannon which fires a high-density stream of energy that can scramble a Transformer’s circuits. Luckily for the Autobots, all among their ranks are outfitted with damper devices that reduce the cannon’s effect, but produce enough pyrotechnics to keep Punch’s cover from being blown.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[John Moschitta]] (English), [[Katsuhisa Hōki]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Rebirth punch and counterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|250px|You deal with my Autobot counterpart then! I heard he's nearby...]]
In 2007, when the Decepticons attacked [[Autobot City]] after the end of a [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|short-lived truce]], Punch observed [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]] breaking into the city while the other Autobots were occupied with the battle. Seeking to discover their objective, he transformed into Counterpunch and caught up to them when they were breaking into a vault within the city. Informing them that [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had told him to check up on them, Counterpunch's offer of help was rebuffed by the two clones, and Counterpunch departed, making a big noise about how he had heard his "Autobot counterpart" was "nearby... real nearby."

[[Image:TheRebirth pt1 Punch FAILS.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Look I found James Bond! Punch him!]]

Naturally, Counterpunch promptly transformed back to Punch as soon as he had stepped out of the clones' line of sight, and opened fire on them from behind. Wingspan was able to get behind Punch and grabbed him, holding him so that Pounce could savage him in puma mode. Punch collapsed, and the two clones made off with the contents of the vault – the [[key to the Plasma Energy Chamber|key]] to the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]]. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] soon discovered Punch's unconscious body and roused him, but Punch could only silently point to the empty vault, confirming Prime's worst fear.

Punch was subsequently part of an Autobot contingent led by Prime who pursued the Decepticons to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. At Prime's order, Punch, [[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] and [[Fastlane]] began searching the planet for the key, but unbeknownst to them, it had already been been used to briefly open the Plasma Energy Chamber. The resulting energy discharge blasted a group of Autobots led by [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] across the galaxy to the planet [[Nebulos]], and the key with them. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Punch and the Autobot clones soon reported back to Prime that there was no sign of Kup's team or the key, prompting Prime to consult [[Vector Sigma]] for answers. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masaharu Satō]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_punch.jpg|left|thumb|I will Counterpunch you with my Punch!!! Wait,what?]]

When Punch made his debut, he was already installed within the Decepticon ranks as Counterpunch and serving as [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s closely-trusted informant. Among the true information Counterpunch fed the Decepticon leader in order to maintain his cover were details of the movements of the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] when they attempted an impassioned attack on [[Chaar]] after the destruction of [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. Using the information, Scorponok repelled their attack, much to the chagrin of [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundblaster]], who was particularly infuriated that Counterpunch had "somehow" turned up information that his own spying had failed to. Soon thereafter, Punch returned to the Autobot base on [[Athenia]], and informed Autobot [[Supreme Commander]] [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress]] that Scorponok was about to hold a ceremony on [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]] to coronate himself emperor of the Decepticons. During the ceremony, Galvatron returned from his prior apparent demise, and retook leadership of the Decepticons from Scorponok. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}

When both the Autobots and Decepticons received an SOS signal from the energy-deprived planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]], Fortress was unsure how to proceed. Punch arrived to with information to help him come to a decision, as he let him know that the Decepticons had chosen to ignore the signal. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

[[Image:Headmasters_cartoon_counterpunch.jpg|right|225px|thumb]]

Later, Punch informed the Autobots on Athenia of the arrival of the newest Decepticon warriors, the [[Horrorcon]]s, on Chaar. Not long after, when Galvatron departed for Earth to conduct potential peace talks with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Punch soon received a nasty surprise when he discovered that Spike was actually debating with a disguised [[Sixshot]], and that the true Galvatron was still on Chaar, preparing to lead the Decepticons on an interplanetary energy raid while the Autobots were distracted. Punch snuck away from the crowd to radio the Autobots on Athenia and clue them in, but unfortunately, even with Punch's inside information, the Autobots were unable to stop the Decepticons from departing on their mission of evil. {{storylink|Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!}}

As Counterpunch, Punch stayed with the Decepticons as they hopped from planet to planet. He met up with his Autobot comrades again when the Decepticons set down on the planet [[Daros]], informing them that Scorponok had sent the Decepticon Headmasters to kill a local [[Beastformer]] that knew of the location of Scorponok's secret weak spot. Punch informed the Autobot Headmasters that he believed the Beastformer, [[Tekna]], to be hiding in the [[North-South Caves]], and [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] set off to search for him. {{storylink|Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!}}

[[Image:Punch_sneakity_sneak.jpg|left|thumb|Turn around! Your cover's blown!]]

Eventually, the Decepticons returned to Chaar with a huge stockpile of [[energon cube]]s, and it was Punch's duty to find out what Galvatron's master plan for the amassed energy was. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus Dies!!}} Punch had little luck at first, bluffing his way through a carelessly-worded conversation with Galvatron and failing to learn anything more about the Decepticon leader's plan, other than that he was about to depart for Earth. Despite his lack of information, Punch raced to Earth to report his finding to Fortress with such speed that he almost forgot to transform out of his Counterpunch form before entering Autobot City. Completing his report, he then headed for the Decepticons' Earth base, in hopes of listening in on the schemes Galvatron was cooking up there. Again, he bumbled his way through an altercation with Scourge, claiming that he had been kneeling by a door because he had dropped something and quickly crawling off around a corner in search of this phantom object. He even considered switching out of his Counterpunch disguise, before he realized how foolish he was being. Finally, Punch found success with the time-honored tradition of listening through an air-vent, and discovered that Galvatron's master plan was to use the energy to fuse himself with the Earth itself. In the course of the conversation, Galvatron revealed that his head was his weakest point, and Punch quickly returned to Autobot City to reveal all he had discovered to Fortress. Fortress flew Punch to Alaska, where a battle was currently raging between Galvatron and the Autobot Headmasters, and Punch called out to inform them of Galvatron's weak spot. Enraged to discover that Punch was a spy, Galvatron soon found insult added to injury, as the Headmasters used Punch's information to finally defeat him and entomb him beneath the polar ice. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}

[[Image:Punch_and_fortress.jpg|right|thumb|He's been caught red-handed!]]
With the demise of Galvatron, Scorponok once again seized Decepticon leadership, a fact which Punch quickly passed along to the other Autobots. {{storylink|I Risk My Life for Earth}} When Scorponok took the Decepticons back to planet Master, Punch, as Counterpunch, went with them, then returned to Earth after Scorponok successfully forged his [[Zarak Shield]]. Setting down in the [[Strait of Gibraltar]], Scorponok instructed Counterpunch to observe the Autobots movements for him. Counterpunch leapt from Scorponok to the shore, but before he could even turn around, Scorponok had vanished beneath the waves, leaving Punch unable to inform Fortress of the evil emperor's whereabouts. Punch vowed to locate Scorponok for his commander. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} Little could Punch have known that Scorponok was operating out of the sub-oceanic ruins of [[Lemuria (G1)|Lemuria]], and was using the sunken continent's [[crysmagnetal]] to forge "[[Death Tower]]s" that would rip the Earth apart. Punch soon discovered that Scorponok was planning to outfit the Death Towers with energy induction boosters that would magnify their destructive effects, and informed Fortress and the Autobots that the villain was on his way to [[Egypt]] to do so with the Death Tower there. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

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====''Super-God Masterforce'' comic====
Years later, Punch was among the Autobots on Athenia when the Autobot [[Godmaster]] [[Ginrai]] was brought to the planet so that Fortress could pass the mantle of Supreme Commander on to him. Unfortunately, this led to an attack by the Decepticons under the command of [[Devil Z]]. {{storylink|The Battle Begins! The United Earth-Space Troops}}

===''Timelines''===
[[Image:BotCon2010Promo-PunchCounterpunch.jpg|left|thumb|300px|He's not a double agent, he just doesn't want to clash with his surroundings.]]
When [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] gathered Counterpunch and [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] to brainstorm ideas for ultimate weapons, Breakdown suggested they might find what they're looking for at [[BotCon 2010]]. Counterpunch brought this information to the Autobots as Punch, and the Autobots likewise made BotCon plans. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}

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==Commercial appearances==
[[Image:PunchCounterpunchCommercial.jpg|thumb|300px|Unfortunately for the Autobots, Counterpunch was TWICE as loyal to the Decepticons.]]
Punch/Counterpunch appeared in at least one [[commercial|television commercial]]:

* Within a mechanical room, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] handed Punch an unknown device while [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]] looked on. Saluting, Punch assured Rodimus that he could trust him. He then transformed and drove off, speeding to a rocky area where [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] awaited him. Changing from vehicle mode into Counterpunch, he gave Galvatron the device. Saluting, Counterpunch assured Galvatron that he could trust him.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1toy-Punch.jpg|right|300px|thumb|One toy, twice the fun!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Doublespy, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-111'''
**''Accessories:'' "Twin Mortar Launcher", "Photon Cannon"
: Punch transforms into a blue Pontiac Fiero. He has two distinct robot modes, with separate guns and [[Rubsign|rubsigns]] for each. They have separate arms, but the backs of Punch's torso, legs, and even head are the fronts of Counterpunch's and vice versa. The top of their shared head tilts to disguise the face not currently being used.

: The transformation for Punch's robot mode depicted in the toy's instructions and animation is, in fact, not the intended transformation for the toy. As illustrated in the inset of the image at right, rather than extend all the way, as they do for Counterpunch, the legs are supposed to fold back at the "knee" with Counterpunch's feet folded out 180 degrees to become Punch's own (this, then, gives a purpose to the otherwise-pointless ridges on his feet, which now serve to keep the robot stable). This transformation—depicted in the toy's box art and on the front of his instruction booklet (sans feet)—creates a much smaller robot mode for Punch, more in-line with the proportions of the 1984 and 85 Autobot Cars, that serves to further distinguish him from Counterpunch.
::* ''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Punch/punch.htm More information on Punch at TFU.info]''
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===Timelines===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Punch.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Headlights are painted over for extra G1 accuracy!]]
*'''Punch/Counterpunch''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Accessories:'' Pistol, engine supercharger intakes

: One of two [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] [[exclusive]] toys offered in [[2010]], Punch/Counterpunch is a [[retool]]ing of the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] [[Sunstreaker (G1)#Classic Series|Sunstreaker]]/[[Sideswipe (G1)#Classic Series|Sideswipe]] mold, transforming into a ''heavily'' modified [[wikipedia:Lamborghini_Gallardo|Lamborghini Gallardo]] with customized engine supercharger intakes mounted just behind the roof. This supercharger can form a sort of "jetpack" by attaching to his back in Punch mode, chest armor in Counterpunch mode, or be attached to the pistol to make a larger gun. The pistol can also be mounted on a peg-hole in the robot-mode shoulder.

: Punch/Counterpunch makes use of the mold's two robot-mode configurations as a single toy. His new head replicates the original toy's two-faced "flip-cap" head, hiding the eyes of whichever face he isn't using at the time. (The fists need to be physically swapped between the two if you ''really'' want to be super-accurate.) Punch's face now has a mouth as per his "[[The Rebirth]]" model, but retains the toy's separate eyes. His head is very very very tiny, likely to accommodate his fliptop forehead during transformation. Coincidentally, Fun Publications failed to release photos of his robot mode until after the toy was already in buyers' hands.

: Punch went up for pre-order on the Club site on the evening of [[March 26]], 2010 at a price of $59. Despite pictures of his robot modes remaining unseen throughout, all 1800 units sold out by the morning of [[March 29]], the biggest and fastest sell out of a Club exclusive yet. Punch started shipping [[June 15]]. So great was the demand for Punch that a second run of only 300 figures was produced, which went on sale on [[August 11]]. These were limited to one-per-customer, and were only available to customers who had not purchased a Punch previously, but despite these restrictions, they were sold out within only a few hours.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]''/''[[Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#Henkei! Henkei!|Red Alert]] and the [[BotCon 2010]] exclusive [[Breakdown (G1)#Timelines 2|Breakdown]].

: Punch features the hole where the light bar would screw in on ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Red Alert on the top of his car mode roof, though it is covered with a rub symbol.

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==Notes==
The Doublespy concept seems to have been kicking around for a while before actually being executed:

* A concept sketch exists that depicts Punch/Counterpunch as a hi-tech jet more in line with the 1986+ aesthetic which transforms in a way somewhat similar to the final car version.<ref>[[Transformers Generations|Transformers Generations Deluxe]], p97.</ref>

* Not one but two early patents were filed for a car Doublespy. The first patent depicts the car that can turn into a large robot or split straight across the middle, with the front and back ends of the car each transforming into a separate robot. It uses a car model identical to the final Punch/Counterpunch.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP61106187&F=0&QPN=JP61106187 Patent #JP61-106187]</ref>

* The second patent keeps the car as a single unit, however the car now folds along the center from the front bumper to the rear windshield. One robot mode is formed when the car is transformed normally, the other is formed when the car is transformed and folded to reveal a new head, chest, and arms. This model has an identical leg transformation to the final version.<ref>[http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=JP63038484&F=0&QPN=JP63038484 Patent #JP63-038484]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Doublespy''' (ダブルスパイ ''Daburusupai''), '''Spacepunch''' (スペースパンチ ''Supēsupanchi''), '''Counterpunch''' (カウンターパンチ ''Kauntāpanchi'')
*''French:'' '''Pugilil''', '''Contrecoup''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Spy''', '''Ultraspy'''

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Punch Punch/Counterpunch's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Survive

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:''Survive is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]] portion of the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]'s [[Beast Era]].''

[[Image:Survivebwn.jpg|right|300px|thumb|As long as I know how to love, I'll always be alive.]]

'''Survive''' (サバイブ ''Sabaibu'') is almost the polar opposite of [[Big Convoy]]. He believes that the only way to achieve victory is to do so as a team. He despises solo actions and has a very unpleasant impression of Big Convoy, who prefers to do just that. Survive desperately wants to have Big Convoy placed under his leadership and retrained as a team-player. The opportunity for this has yet to arise.

His buddy drone is [[True One]], a reconnaissance scout who can communicate wordlessly with Survive using a special sound wave. They have a good relationship, but sometimes fight over honey.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Yoshikazu Nagano]] (Japanese)

{{storylink|Survive the Hot-Blooded Instructor}}

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===''Beast Wars Neo'' comic===

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Alongside [[Tasmania Kid]] and [[Cohrada]], Survive came with [[Big Convoy]] to investigate [[Shokaract]]'s tower after various [[Angolmois]]-related murders. When Shokaract himself soon emerged from the tower and attacked them, Survive fought back, but was quickly killed along with his teammates. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 3}}

Fortunately, the [[Pack]] managed to use the magic of [[time travel]] to interrupt Shokaract before Survive and the others met their end at his hands (except Tasmania Kid, who died regardless). In this new timeline, Big Convoy's team traveled to the Pack's crashed starship and had the situation explained to them. With the Pack and several other Maximals and Predacons on their side, Survive and the others ultimately managed to foil Shokaract's plans. {{storylink|The Ascending issue 4}}
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==Toys==
===Beast Wars Neo===
[[Image:BWN-toy Survive.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Survive''' (Mega, 2000)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-39'''

: A [[redeco]] of [[Polar Claw]], Survive transforms into a godless killing machine. Rearing him up on his hind legs in beast mode exposes a pair of nasty-looking fangs. His left beast mode foreleg has a spring-loaded attack claw, while his right launches from the shoulder stub and transforms into his bat-partner [[True One]], who can also be used as a hand-held blaster. Survive's robot head has a face on both sides; a normal robot-mode one, and a "mutant" face.

: This mold was also used to make [[Grizzly-1|Grizzly-1/Barbearian]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Cybertron/Survive/survive.htm More information on Survive at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:BWN-toy VS39box.jpg|right|thumb|300px|But will I crumble? Will I lay down and die? Oh no not I!]]
*'''Roaring Showdown: Survive VS Killer Punch''' (Mega, 2000)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''VS-39'''

: Survive was also available in a two-pack with the Predacon [[Killer Punch]]. Both toys were identical to their individual releases.

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Shockwave (Movie)

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:''Shockwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action movie]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

[[Image:ShockwaveDOTMgamepromo.jpg|right|thumb|400px|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s most bewildering foe: the faceless!]]

'''Shockwave''' was left to watch [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] long ago, arriving on Earth to hunt for the [[AllSpark]] shortly after Megatron. A peerless scientist with deadly efficiency and a cold devotion to logic, he is one of the very few who could rival Megatron. Shockwave is ready and willing to destroy the Autobots with his arm-mounted AstroMag Cannon.

{{bigquote|Emotionless, coldly logical, utterly ruthless... killing is all Shockwave lives for.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|[[Dark of the Moon issue 1|Dark of the Moon #1]]}}

==Fiction==
===IDW live-action film prequel comics===
[[Image:Foundation1-Shockwavedoesntlikeit.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"'''Your star burns!''' I require frozen treats."]]
Eons after the [[Dynasty of Primes]] were vanquished, Cybertron fell into dark times. The [[AllSpark]] had been buried somewhere within Cybertron and been dismissed as a legend, and the planet itself lacked a star to orbit. As energy became more and more scarce, Cybertronians segregated into tribes. Shockwave chose to rally behind [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], who claimed to be descended from [[Primus]] himself. However, he faced opposition from the non-believer [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]], and Shockwave joined [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]], and several others in repelling their attacks. Ultimately, Sentinel Prime won the day, as he and [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] were successful in locating the lost AllSpark and harnessing a new sun to orbit. This, however, did not please Shockwave. Now that the war was over, he was dissatisfied, and he no longer knew his purpose. This shocked his old friend, Megatron, and Shockwave explained that it was the journey he enjoyed, not the destination. Plus, well, that new sun was kind of bright. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}}

The next day, Megatron detailed to Shockwave how he had eavesdropped on a conversation between Sentinel and Optimus, where Sentinel had tried to pass on leadership to Optimus, who refused, unable to accept he was also a Prime. At the outskirts of [[Thetacon (polity)|Thetacon]], they encountered a [[Driller]], a subterranean lifeform that had been brought to the planet's surface by the new energy flowing through it, which was attacking a group of [[Hatchling]]s and their protector [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]. Shockwave was amazed by the creature and called it "magnificent". After besting it, he joined the Cybertronian [[Defense Force]] that Sentinel placed under Megatron's command, rooting out dissident Transformers. {{storylink|Foundation issue 2|Foundation #2}}

After the war broke out he joined the Decepticons. As Starscream was asking what to do next minutes before the [[Nemesis (ROTF)|''Nemesis'']] went to space, Shockwave told him that they would obey Megatron's orders without any question. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} When the Autobots attacked [[Simfur Temple]], Shockwave attempted to apprehend [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]], but with no success. When Starscream blew up the [[Ark (DOTM)|ship]] carrying Sentinel and his [[pillar|secret weapon]], Shockwave ordered the annihilation of the retreating Autobots, but Megatron made him stand down, gleefully predicting Optimus would return with a vengeance. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

Shockwave returned with Megatron to his [[Lord High Protector citadel|citadel]] during Optimus's revenge attack. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}} Shockwave asked Megatron if he could kill Optimus Prime and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] after they had been stuck by the [[smelting pool]], but Megatron was disappointed by Shockwave's lack of vision. {{Storylink|Foundation issue 3|Foundation #3}} Optimus got inside to fight Megatron, while Starscream and Shockwave attempted to kill their former comrade Ironhide. Suddenly, the skies darkened: the Autobots had attacked the citadel to distract the Decepticons from their true goal of stealing the AllSpark from the temple. Optimus blasted Starscream and Shockwave, and the two Autobots escaped. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

[[Image:RisingStorm2-ShockwaveAllSpark.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
Some time later, after the Autobots sent the All Spark into space, Starscream left Shockwave in charge of the Decepticons still on Cybertron as he went in search of his prize. During a battle with a team of Autobots, Shockwave heard the scream of the AllSpark when it was found by [[Sector 7]]. Leaving [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] in charge of the Decepticons on Cybertron, Shockwave set out in an impossibly fast ship, swearing not to return without the AllSpark. He crashed in Tunguska, [[Siberia]] in [[1908]].<ref>''Rising Storm'' issue 2 reveals that Shockwave caused the mysterious real-life [[wikipedia:Tunguska_event|Tunguska event.]]</ref> He remained buried there in [[stasis lock]], healing until [[Soviet Union|Soviet Russia]] found him ten years later. Using stolen research from the U.S., who had found Megatron the same way, the Russians reverse-engineered his technology to invent nuclear power plants. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} {{storylink|Frozen}}

There were no digital records of Shockwave's existence, and the physical documents pertaining to him were lost, burned, shredded or stolen in the wake of the Soviet Union's collapse. The Siberian facility was abandoned and Shockwave was left forgotten. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}}
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===Titan Magazines===
While Starscream doesn't like or trust Shockwave, he respects his intelligence and, if he had to choose, would give the nod to Shockwave being his successor. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|#21's Star Screams}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
[[Image:Shockwave-ROTFnewspaper.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Quick, add him to the character list!]]
At some point during 2009, Shockwave was caught on film and the event was written up for a newspaper article. A newspaper page with the headline "Mysterious Robot Spotted" was discarded in [[Egypt]], where it was sucked up by a rampaging [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===IDW ''Dark of the Moon'' comics===
[[Image:RisingStorm_Shockwave_and_astrotrain.jpg|left|thumb|250px|]]
Soundwave discovered the satirical article and its photograph, and deduced it was based on stolen Soviet documents. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}} In [[2010]], Megatron freed Shockwave and brought him to his "base" in [[Namibia]], where he was eager to get back to killing Autobots as soon as possible. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}}

Shockwave and [[Astrotrain (DOTM)|Astrotrain]] made their presence known on Earth near [[Dalian]], [[China]], where they quickly disposed of the Autobots [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]] and [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]] and stole material for a mysterious construction project.

Shockwave began following the exploits of Earth's stranded Transformers from afar, and derided its war's combatants as idiots after watching a skirmish in [[California]]. After contacting Astrotrain for an update on their project, he tracked [[Divebomb (Movie)|Divebomb]]'s radiation trail back to Starscream's current base of operations, in a junkyard on the outskirts of [[Mexico City]]. Blasting his way through the Decepticons unwise enough to try defending Starscream, Shockwave informed the treacherous air commander that Megatron had "requested his services." Before the conversation could go any further, Astrotrain radioed Shockwave with some bad news: the "[[Brains|brain unit]]" scrap drone that held the control software for the machine he was constructing had escaped. Shockwave charged Starscream and his followers with recovering the drone. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 1|Rising Storm #1}}

[[Image:Risingstorm_3_shockwave_on_NEST.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Shock blast!]]

Shockwave contacted an angry Starscream who thought he was promised the Autobots would be occupied. Shockwave countered that they were occupied, but, you know, with Starscream, leaving Shockwave free to leave a message for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] at the [[NEST]] Headquarters in [[Diego Garcia]]. After killing [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]], [[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]], and other Autobots who stood in his way, Shockwave confronted the trembling humans left to fend for themselves. When Shockwave asked who was in command, [[Theodore Galloway]] told him that he was. Shockwave killed Galloway and the other humans save one, and he asked his question one more time. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}}

After killing [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]], he and [[Fearswoop (ROTF)|Fearswoop]] left Diego Garcia, then he arrived in [[Philadelphia]] killing [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] in the process and shot down [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] and [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]. Enraged by the death of Elita-One and the other Autobots. Optimus Prime battled Shockwave destroying half of his face and body, Prime was about to kill Shockwave, till Shockwave's [[Driller|"pet"]] came to save his master. the badly damaged Shockwave returned to Namibia along Starscream and Soundwave. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}
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===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor'': [[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Miguel Ángel Ghigliazza]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[Image:DOTM - ShockwaveDriller.jpg|left|thumb|250px|"We have worm sign."]]

Shockwave and his pet [[Driller]] attacked the Autobots when they were summoned to [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant|Chernobyl]] by the Decepticon agent [[Voskhod]]. This was done as an act of misdirection to ensure that the Autobots did not realize that the Decepticons actually wanted them to find the fuel cell from the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]] located within the facility. After Optimus retrieved the fuel cell from the Driller, Shockwave emerged from it to reveal himself to Optimus, and the pair quickly retreated underground, leaving Optimus very disturbed to see Shockwave on Earth.

Later, Shockwave took part in the invasion of Chicago. He and the Driller emerged from beneath the convoy of Autobots, and the Driller seperated Optimus from his trailer. Shockwave left the Driller and proceeded to track down the Autobots. The [[Wreckers]] were sent to distract him, peppering his armor with fire from their machineguns. He used a car as a shield and fired at them, and once they drove off he menacingly began to pursue them down the road, missing the two small Autobots, [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and [[Brains]], who quickly fled.

Later, he noticed humans inside a building, and sent his Driller into the fray to topple a building and kill [[Sam Witwicky]], [[Carly Spencer]], [[Robert Epps]], and the other humans inside. However the beast was killed by Optimus Prime using his flight gear, and Shockwave, enraged by the death of his pet, opened fire on the Autobot leader, briefly disabling him and taking him out of the fight. He soon joined [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] to round up the other Autobots. Brains and Wheelie forestalled the Decepticon's from further executing their prisoners by taking control of a Decepticon gunship, and dropping [[Orbital Assault Carrier|fighers]] onto the battlefield. Shockwave retreated further away with some other Decepticons. However the human soldiers had set a trap, and while firing at the humans, Shockwave was blinded by a human's parachute, who then shot his eye out. Optimus Prime came charging back into the battle, donning a set of knuckle-spikes and punching Shockwave so hard that his abdomen ruptured. Even this did not put Shockwave down, but Prime did not let up, pinning the Decepticon and tearing his dangling eye out through his throat, finally ending his life, while simultaneously using his cannon to shoot out one of the [[space bridge]] pillars set up in the city. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers: The Game'' (console)===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daniel Riordan]]

[[Image:Tf2007console shockwave.jpg|left|250px|thumb|1% assorted Shockwave parts, 99% weapons.]]
Under the orders of Starscream, Shockwave attacked [[Tranquility]] in an effort to interfere with [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s attempt to rescue [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] from [[Sector Seven]]. Prime actually had a grip on the helicopter net that held Bumblebee, but the force of Shockwave's entry mode's impact knocked him off, allowing Sector Seven to get away.

[[Image:Tf2007console shockwave turrent.jpg|200px|thumb|Death Cannon OF LOGIC!]]
Landing in downtown, the [[Triple Changer|triple-changing]] Shockwave adopted a helicopter and an artillery emplacement as his alternate modes, promptly transforming into the latter and lobbing explosives around the city. Prime, forced to cut off his rescue, charged in and pounded Shockwave until the goliath transformed and retreated to another position. Prime doggedly kept at Shockwave, following him every time he retreated, eventually defeating the Decepticon and saving Tranquility. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game (console)}}

Later, when the Autobots returned to Cybertron, Shockwave appeared on the planet alongside (and presumably leading) an army of Decepticon drones. Optimus quickly defeated the drones and once more defeated Shockwave.

{{note|Shockwave is not a playable character in the game, appearing only as a boss character during the Autobot campaign. He also appears (but does not transform) as one of the enemies battled in the Autobot campaign's bonus level set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], but what this implies about Shocky is debatable at best, given the level's questionable in-game continuity.}}
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===''Transformers: The Game'' (PSP)===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Daniel Riordan]]

[[Image:Shockwave movie psp.jpg|left|170px|thumb|He makes up for his loss of weapons by being the most awesome character in the game. It is only logical.]]

The massive Shockwave might ''look'' like he's purely about muscle and firepower, but he's actually remarkably shrewd and cunning. Coveting the position of Decepticon leader for himself, Shockwave has been working to oust Megatron for years. As you might imagine, he and Starscream don't get along very well.

When the Decepticons arrived on Earth in search of their lost leader, Megatron, Shockwave adopted a tank as his alternate mode. Shockwave was supposed to join [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] in his attack on the [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]], but instead busied himself surrepticiously searching for leads to the location of the [[AllSpark]]. After receiving a communique from [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]], who informed him that the Autobots were on Earth and had discovered their own leads to the location of Megatron, Shockwave had [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] airlift him to Qatar, where he helped Blackout take care of the last few military units opposing him. He relayed Frenzy's message to Blackout, then departed for the Arctic with Thundercracker, intending to investigate the site where Megatron's body was discovered.

In the Arctic, Shockwave and Thundercracker faced resistance from an Autobot unit in the area, but fought their way through them to discover that Megatron's body had been moved by [[Sector Seven]]. The trip was not a wasted one, however: after scanning a computer terminal in the cavern, Shockwave discovered that Megatron had brought an army of drones with him to Earth to help in the search for the All Spark. These drones were presently lying dormant all over the Earth, and Shockwave schemed to reactivate them so that they could serve him as his personal army. The signal required to reanimated the drones had to be broadcast from a great height, so Shockwave and Thundercracker quickly made their way to a rocket launch site, where Shockwave
programmed the code into a rocket that subsequently beamed the signal down over the Earth from space. Drones sprang to life all over the planet, and began attacking the Autobots. Shockwave's control of his
self-made army was short lived, however, as Autobots [[Trailbreaker (Movie)|Trailbreaker]] and [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] successfully transmitted a virus that shut the drones down. Simultaneously, Shockwave received another message from Frenzy that the he had discovered the location of Megatron, and that the Decepticon leader was about to reawaken.

After the Autobots defeated Megatron and most of the other Decepticons in battle in [[Center City]], Shockwave retreated back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], as did Starscream. Back on their homeworld, Shockwave and Starscream faced off for leadership of the Decepticons, with Starscream ultimately claiming victory. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game (PSP)}}

{{note|In contrast to the console version of the game, Shockwave ''is'' a playable character on the PSP.}}

===Autobot Stronghold===

Shockwave was used as the basis for an army of [[drone]] units, who were part of the constant attacks on the Autobot's [[LG]] Stronghold. For some reason, these drones had ''two'' Sparks. {{storylink|Autobot Stronghold}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon - The Game''===
====(Xbox 360/PS3)====
[[Image:Dark of the Moon game Shockwave.jpg|thumb|300px|Shockwave on the warpath.]]
Shockwave was frozen underneath a Russian facility after crashing to Earth thousands of years ago. His leader [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] decided to find and release his assassin, since he was needed for the upcoming operation. Optimus discovered Shockwave and ad Ratchet activcate more freeze tanks to keep him frozen. however the Driller woke from its slumber , and lashed out at the intruder. After thawing out, he decided to kill the first thing his optic lay eyes on: Optimus. However, he was still a bit woozy from waking up and taking action so quickly, so he tended to make a few hiccups in his attacks, before finally waking up. Autobot reinforcements weren't helping Optimus, as they were dispatched quite easily. During their skirmish, Optimus Prime (with a little help from Autobot [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]) deduced his weak spot as the three cylinder-shaped generators mounted on his back. Optimus Prime was then able to take down Shockwave with his jetpack/machinegun upgrades, until the Driller decided to intervene, and blocked off the shots while retreating with its master.

Shortly after that, he met up with Megatron, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], and [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] in Nambia, Africa and was ordered to find a device in a nuclear power plant named Chernobyl. Shockwave agreed and listened to Megatron gloat to the other Decepticons about Operation Pillar.

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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
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[[Image:DOTM Cyberverse Shockwave FusionTank.jpg|thumb|350px|right|]]
*'''Shockwave / Fusion Tank''' (Cyberverse Action Set, 2011)
**''Series:''
**''Number:''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV19'''
**''Accessories:''

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====Voyager Class toys====
[[Image:DOTM_Shockwave_Voyager.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Observation: gun hose. Conclusion: awesome.]]
*'''Shockwave''' (MechTech Voyager, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DD05'''
**''Accessories:'' [[MechTech]] Battle Cannon/Particle Wave Blaster with rubber hose, arm-blade-thing

: Part of the second wave of ''[[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Voyager Class [[MechTech]] toys, Shockwave transforms into a purple Cybertronian tank. He has a large, detachable MechTech Battle Cannon on his right arm with a rubber tube which connects to his back, and a removable blade on his left arm. When a lever is pushed on the rear of his arm cannon, MechTech gearing opens up the cannon wider with more barrels and blades. [[C joint]] rungs are located on Shockwave's arm-blade, one concealed underneath said blade, and two on his AstroMag cannon, two more on his backpack, and two more on his feet. Other MechTech weapons can peg into Shockwave's hands, on the barrel of his cannon, and behind each shoulder blade. Due to the nature of his MechTech weapon supposed to be integrated with his arm, it is not a prime candidate for swapping with other toys, due to the shape and color of the weapon.

: Shockwave's forearms are misassembled in the package. They are backward, with the screws holding them together facing out; the backs of his forearms are smooth and screwhole-free. Also indicating that his forearms should be swapped is the fact that his arm blade, when put in its proper place on his robot mode, is clearly backward. The blade has an obvious back, its left side, marked with gaps; the mold detail on its right side is much cleaner. It's apparently meant to be displayed on the figure's right arm, with the clean side of the weapon facing outward. The problem in disassembling the figure's forearms and swapping them is that the wrist is held together with a pin which can be tricky to remove.

: Shockwave's stock photography depicts him in a much, much brighter and bluer purple while the MechTech lever on the cannon is bright red. Although partly cropped, his packaging photography on the box-front depicts an alternative placement of his gun hose in tank mode, plugging into the port on the side of his rear treads, which actually aligns better than the awkward frontal position depicted in the [[instructions]]. The stock photography shown also depicts Shockwave's hands to be articulated at the wrists, as the right arm in the photo has the hand rotated 90 degrees from the position actually possible with the figure. Also many more paint applications are present in the stock photography, not limited to the red lever on the cannon, but vents on the vehicle mode are picked out in silver as well as gold details on the hips and both halves of tread on each side of the body being painted silver. Overall, the colour scheme shown on the box photography is completely different from the actual figure within, with the stock photo's silver replaced with a metallic lilac on the hands, feet spikes and knees.

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==Notes==
* [[Transformers The Game (console)|''Transformers: The Game'']] Shockwave was designed by artist [[Ken Christiansen]].
*The "Attack Copter", "Recon Chopper" and "Stealth Chopper" [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-]][[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|A-Bot]] vehicle modes from the [[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Nintendo DS video games]] transform into robot modes bearing some resemblance to Shockwave. The Attack Chopper is the only one that can be customized to appear purple, though.
*The photo on the newspaper article in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' is of [[:Image:Shockwaveministatue.jpg|Palisades's statue]] of [[Shockwave (G1)|Generation 1 Shockwave]], with something digitally added in the foreground.
*Shockwave was heavily touted as the new main villain prior to the release of ''Dark of the Moon'', no doubt in an attempt to conceal [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s unexpected betrayal halfway through the movie. A piece of information that commonly popped up in media coverage was the claim that Shockwave was the ruler of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] while the other Autobots and Decepticons were duking it out on Earth.<ref name="pushpops">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-3-plot-summary-revealed-170756/ "Transformers 3 Plot Summary Revealed"], TFW2005, October 2010.</ref> The last bit could be written off as a case of [[Wikipedia:Chinese whispers|chinese whisper]]: Shockwave got announced as the villain for ''Dark of the Moon'', mainstream media (such as USA Today<ref name="usatodayswitch">[http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2010-06-11-Transformers11_ST_N.htm "Next 'Transformers' is due for a switch"], USA Today, June 2010.</ref>) who aren't versed in Transformers lore looked up the character, found out about his ''[[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]]'' [[Shockwave (G1)|namesake]]'s role in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]], included it as a piece of trivia to show they did their research, and then the trivia note got picked up as gospel by other media. Nevertheless, it was included in the ''official plot summary'' by Paramount's German branch (which also claimed that ''Shockwave'' was the robot discovered inside the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' as seen in the trailer).<ref name="germansite">[http://www.transformers3-film.de/ Official German DOTM site] including faulty plot summary.</ref>
*Despite being one of the most highly anticipated characters in the film, Shockwave has very minimal screentime. His only understandable line in the film is at Chernobyl: "Optimus," and seems more like a drone than Megatron's greatest assassin. In the [[Dark of the Moon (comic series)|comic adaptation]], which was based on early drafts of the script, Shockwave had more lines during the Chicago battle.
*Shockwave does not have the same form in IDW's ''[[Rising Storm]]'' and ''[[Foundation]]'' that he does in ''Dark of the Moon'' despite both being Cybertronian forms. His form in the comics is less skeletal in robot mode than his appearance in the film, and he also transforms into a Cybertronian jet, much like [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s original body, whereas his film design transforms into some form of Cybertronian tank. (Following the leader, maybe?) [[John Barber]] commented on his Twitter account that he isn't sure why Shockwave's appearance is different from that in the film, but that an explanation will be given in issue 4 of ''Rising Storm''. <ref>http://twitter.com/#!/TheJohnBarber/status/60710221739339776</ref> While the issue doesn't explicitly show how he gets his ''Dark of the Moon'' body, Shockwave is indeed badly damaged by Optimus Prime. Possibly because of this extensive reconstruction, Shockwave doesn't transform in the film (or the video game prequel before it, which displayed him with his current body instead of the old, G1-esque one).
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Generation 1 Shockwave]]'s original voice actor, [[Corey Burton]], expressed that he had no interest in voicing him for ''Dark of the Moon'', explaining "[I] have practically no interest in that kind of mega-budget movie enterprise involvement" and that the inspiration for his Shockwave voice, [[wikipedia:David Warner (actor)|David Warner]], was rumored to have been considered.<ref>[http://www.coreyburton.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=2707&highlight=#2707 Corey Burton's message board post.]</ref> In the end, Shockwave's almost-entirely-wordless-snarl-based role would have been something of a waste of Warner; the role ultimately went to Frank Welker. There's a nice touch of symmetry in the casting, with Welker taking over a Burton-originated role not long after Burton took on a Welker-originated character in [[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' Megatron]].
*Hasbro's online bio for Shockwave claims he had spent decades trapped under Chernobyl, but this was not reflected in any actual media; both the video game and ''Rising Storm'' comics have him held at a Russian facility from which he is freed shortly before the film's events, and the film itself doesn't give any indication that his appearance at Chernobyl in its opening scenes is an "escape" of any kind.
*Shockwave's AstroMag cannon is a reference to [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Notes|the original Shockwave's]] toy mold being first released by ToyCo as the "[http://www.robot-japan.com/Gallery/Takara/Transformers/G1/AstroMagnum/Toybox-Astro-Magnum.asp 4 Changeable Astro Magnum]".
*Select [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]] stores in the US had a promotion for a Shockwave poster with the purchase of any [[Transformers brand]] [[toy]] from [[June 5]], 2011 to [[June 11]], 2011.
*Although Shockwave's toy transforms into a Cybertronian tank, this alternate mode is never seen in the [[Dark of the Moon (film)|live-action movie]] nor the video game.
*While Shockwave's weapon of choice is described as a particle or laser cannon in most related Dark of the Moon media, it appears to be some variety of cluster missile launcher in the movie proper.
*Early artwork for Shockwave for ''Dark of the Moon'' showed '''Blitzwing''' as a working name for the character.<ref name="nizzi">[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi DOTM concepts.]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Shockwave''' (ショックウェーブ ''Shokkuwēbu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Shēngbō''' (声波, "Acoustic Wave"), '''Yīnbō''' (音波, "Sonic")

== References ==
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==External links==
*''Transformers: The Game'' Shockwave [http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/tf1-shockwave-01.html concepts], [http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/tf1-shockwave-02.html vehicle mode renderings], [http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/tf1-shockwave-03.html robot mode and head concepts], [http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/tf1-shockwave-04.html final robot mode rendering] and [http://badflipblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/tf1-shockwave-05.html transformation animation guide] on Ken Christiansen's blog.
* [http://www.gamespot.com/video/932116/6172356/transformers-the-game-interview-1 ''Transformers: The Game'' video interview with Daniel Suarez, featuring Shockwave footage]

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Jolt (Armada)

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:''Jolt is a [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Jolt ut.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Windmills do not work that way!]]
'''Jolt''' is [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]'s [[Mini-Con]] partner. He's kind of a geek.

==Fiction==
===''Armada'' mini-comics===
An eager Jolt was assigned by [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to work with Hot Shot, but the brash hero felt he didn't need a partner. Jolt followed him into battle anyway, and helped Hot Shot out of a JaAm with Cyclonus and [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]]. Realizing the value of friendship and teamwork, Hot Shot accepted Jolt as his partner from then on.

(He has ARTICULATION!) {{storylink|Armada (mini-comic)#Volume 1|Armada Volume 1}}

===''Armada'' cartoon===
Shortly after the Autobots arrived on Earth to heed the Mini-Con signal, a cave opening was uncovered during a battle, exposing several Mini-Con storage panels. Jolt was retrieved from this cave, and powerlinked with his new partner, Hot Shot. {{storylink|Base}}

After Hot Shot got tired playing "Tag" with the kids at the Autobot base, he called in Jolt to tag the little trouble-makers for him. On their next mission, the Autobots traveled to Antarctica in search of another Mini-Con. Hot Shot was growing impatient with Red Alert's slow and measured approach to the search and wanted to take off with Carlos before the rest of the team was ready. Jolt powerlinxed with his rash partner in order to increase his driving ability on the snow and ice...and to keep Hot Shot out of trouble. Their search eventually turned up a Mini-Con buried in the wall of an ice canyon, but Starscream arrived around the same time. Hot Shot fell into a deep gorge, but Jolt's rotors provided enough lift to keep him from smashing on the ice below. As the skirmish continued, Hot Shot was forced to eject Carlos so that he could concentrate on Starscream. As Carlos fell into a nearby canyon, Jolt detached and flew down to catch Carlos on his skis and carry him to safety. He then reunited with Hot Shot to boost his firepower for the fight. {{storylink|Soldier (episode)|Soldier}} On another mission, Jolt provided aerial reconnaissance in the forest for Hot Shot and the others, as they tracked down a Mini-Con panel atop a tall tree. {{storylink|Jungle}}

When [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] saw the kids and Street Action Team running off to play at the carnival, he roped Jolt and Longarm into joining him in tagging along. They were a big hit among the carnival goers, who thought they were just another attraction. They even got to march in the parade! [[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] and [[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] got suspicious, though, and started to chase the Mini-Cons through the fair. Jolt finally had enough and transformed, scooping them up in helicopter mode and depositing the nosy twosome atop a giant balloon. {{storylink|Carnival}}

On a mission in the desert, [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] pinned the Autobots down behind an open sand dune. Hot Shot and Jolt powerlinxed to try and return fire, but they were unable to pop out behind their cover quickly enough to get the drop on their Decepticon attacker. {{storylink|Palace}}

After [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] kidnapped Billy and Fred, the Autobots were reluctantly prepared to turn over Jolt and the other Mini-Cons to Megatron. When the Decepticons broke the deal, however, the Autobots managed to recover both the kids and the Mini-Cons. {{storylink|Confrontation (episode)|Confrontation}}

During an underwater mission, Jolt's powerlinxed propellers were used by Hot Shot in lieu of the aqua-thrusters employed by the rest of the team. {{storylink|Ruin}} When the Autobots fought for control of a Mini-Con at an abandoned volcano resort, Jolt teamed up with his fellow Mini-Cons in carrying the fight to the Decepticons, using Prime's combat deck to fight for their freedom. {{storylink|Prehistory}}

After Hot Shot acquired the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], he still relied on his old partner Jolt for the occasional helping hand. While searching for a Mini-Con near the big city, the Autobots were caught in a traffic jam created by Cyclonus. Hot Shot powerlinxed with Jolt to use his rotors and fly over the blockade. Later on, while in a running battle with [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]], Jolt gave Hot Shot the necessary lift to fly behind the mercenary and get the drop on him. {{storylink|Gale}}

Jolt was present when Hot Shot returned from a trap on the moon, having lost the Star Saber to the Decepticons. {{storylink|Credulous}} This loss hit the Autobots hard, and Jolt later gave Hot Shot some much needed repair work after a series of losses to the Decepticons thanks to the Star Saber. {{storylink|Conspiracy}}

During the hunt for [[Downshift (Armada)|Downshift]], Jolt powerlinxed with Hot Shot to give him enough boost to clear a ravine blasted by the Decepticons. {{storylink|Reinforcement}} Later, he and the Street Action Team helped create a miniature obstacle course from Hot Shot and [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] to train on. Jolt went into battle with Hot Shot when the Autobots were forced to confront Megatron after he gained both the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] and the [[Skyboom Shield]]. Despite being curiously (and ridiculously) oversized this time, the "axel-zooka" was totally uneffective against the Skyboom Shield. {{storylink|Decisive Battle}}

After [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] arrived in the midst of a firefight and began raining cannonball laser storms down on the Autobots, Hot Shot and Blurr took to the waves to strike at the Decepticon aircraft carrier from below. Jolt and [[Incinerator (Armada)|Incinerator]] provided their partners with the proper boost to make it into the water and then unload their firepower at Tidal Wave's unprotected underbelly. {{storylink|Awakening}}

Jolt was present at the team meeting when the Autobots decided what to do with the Mini-Cons who formed the [[Requiem Blaster]]. {{storylink|Runaway}}

After [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] was critically damaged, Jolt partnered with Hot Shot to run out and avenge him when they saw Starscream on the video monitor. As it turned out, the former Decepticon had quit his partners and was on the run from [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]]. Starscream came back to the Autobot headquarters and joined them in order to seek his revenge on Megatron for past slights. Despite this, Hot Shot still wished to duel Starscream. Jolt and [[Runway]] of the Air Defense Team caught them brawling and ran off to inform Optimus of the situation. {{storylink|Regeneration}} Jolt appeared briefly during the Autobots' raid on the Decepticon moon base, separating from Hot Shot to give him use of Jolt's engine / pulse cannon. {{storylink|Rescue}}

After the death of Optimus Prime, Hot Shot was becoming more and more difficult with his fellow soldiers due to his grief. Finally, [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] couldn't stand any more and warped to a secluded location to teach him a lesson. The loyal Jolt jumped into the warp field to go along with his partner, and provided what little aid he could against Scavenger's imprompteu tough love seminar. Ultimately, though, Jolt sided with his fellow Mini-Cons in confronting Hot Shot, forcing him to stop taking his guilt out on himself and the others. {{storylink|Remorse}}
Jolt and the Mini-Cons all chose to willingly follow the Autobots into space aboard the ''[[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]]'', fighting alongside them against the Decepticons. {{storylink|Depart}}

Sometime later, Jolt magically appeared over a nameless planet where the Autobots and Decepticons were fighting with [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]]. He and several other Mini-Cons used their combined power to repair the damage the Cybertronians had suffered before vanishing as quickly as they came. {{storylink|Puppet}}

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic===
Prior to the war, Jolt used to live in [[Mini-Con Sector|Mini-Con Village C52]]. He helped prepare the [[Filtrek|forceshields]] for when the [[Decepticon]]s would inevitably reach their village, and got nervous listening to [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]]'s stories about [[Mecha-sectioning|what would happen to them]] if they were captured. Then the Decepticons got past the forceshield and captured them. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 1|Armada #1}} Thanks to [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] and the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Team]], Jolt and the others were rescued from the [[Decepticon Headquarters (Armada)|Decepticon base]] and left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in search of a place to live in peace. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 2|Armada #2}} Unfortunately, [[Exodus (Armada)|their starship]] malfunctioned and crashed on [[Earth]], where the Mini-Cons lay dormant for a million years. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 3|Armada #3}}

Jolt took refuge in a [[human]] junkyard alongside several other Mini-Cons, where he had his injuries from the crash treated by [[Liftor]]. After a misadventure where they had to save [[Rollbar (Armada)|Rollbar]] from a trash compactor, they learned that the Decepticons had followed them to Earth and were hunting down Sparkplug. Ignoring the danger, Jolt was the first to rush out and try to save him, and the others soon followed. When they arrived at the scene, the [[Autobot]]s were fighting with the Decepticons, so the Mini-Cons chose to help the [[bulk]]s out by [[powerlinx]]ing with them. Jolt picked [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] as his partner and chased the Decepticons away, then agreed to join the Autobots. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 5|Armada #5}} Later, Jolt and Longarm joined Sparkplug in an attempt to sneak into the Decepticons' base and rescue the Air Defense Team. The plan went awry when [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] found them sneaking about, and Jolt attacked him to little effect. He was punched out of the air by the Decepticon, who proceeded to accidentally bring the ceiling down on everyone. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 6|Armada #6}} The three Mini-Cons spent some time trapped under rubble, but were eventually saved by the [[Land Military Mini-Con Team|Land Military Team]]. They then returned to the Autobot base to help the Autobots defend it from [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], who had combined the Air Defense Team into the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 7|Armada #7}}

Like all the other Mini-Cons on Earth (except Liftor and Rollbar), Jolt was summoned to the [[Mini-Con Ark]] and taken to Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 8|Armada #8}} They were imprisoned on a [[Mini-Con Moonbase|moonbase]], where Jolt examined some technology and figured out that it wasn't a human structure. The mystery was quickly revealed when their fellow Mini-Con [[Dualor (Armada)|Dualor]] showed up and explained that he had brought them all to the moonbase in order for all Mini-Cons to live in peace. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 9|Armada #9}} Like Sparkplug, Jolt was not happy with how they had been forcibly summoned to the station and put behind bars for no real reason. He almost came to blows with [[Knock Out (Armada)|Knock Out]], who had nothing against the moonbase, but [[Wreckage (Armada)|Wreckage]] broke them up. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 10|Armada #10}}

In the end, the moonbase was destroyed by the Decepticons and its residents fled to the Autobot base on Earth. Most of them didn't want join the Autobots, though, and Jolt watched as [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] held a speech to them about Mini-Con independence. {{storylink|Fire & Ice}} A short while later, Jolt participated in a mission to rescue some dormant Mini-Cons in [[Alaska]]. He located [[Dune Runner (Armada)|Dune Runner]] and [[Ransack (Armada)|Ransack]], who had been defeated by the Decepticons during an earlier rescue attempt, then powerlinxed with Hot Shot for the battle with [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 13}} Later, he was part of a team who investigated odd interdimensional activity in [[Big Sur National Park]] following the mysterious disappearance of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} When the Decepticons learned of Prime's disappearance and attacked confused and weakened Autobots, Jolt and Hot Shot were easily dispatched by Megatron. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}}

Like all other Mini-Cons, Jolt returned to Cybertron to defend it from the approaching [[Unicron]]. Presumably, he was among the Mini-Cons at the [[Loop]] who gave their energy to the [[Mini-Con Matrix]], allowing [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] to critically damage Unicron. {{storylink|The End}}

===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
Back on Cybertron, Jolt was among the Mini-Cons who fled for their lives when the Decepticons began capturing their race. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 9|Counter-Strike!}} After escaping from his home planet, he and several other Mini-Cons ended up near [[Lincoln]], [[Nebraska]] when their ship crashed on [[Earth]]. After awakening, they met [[Rad White]], [[Carlos Lopez]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]], but refused to get involved with the [[Autobot]]-[[Decepticon]] war again. {{storylink|First Encounter!}} After Rad showed some amazing courage by confronting [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] alone, the Mini-Cons changed their minds and entered the fray to save the human. Jolt attacked Megatron with his electric stun beam, then power-linked with the newly arrived [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], allowing the Autobot to take flight and defeat [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 2|Friends and Foes!}}

The Autobots soon decided that the best way to keep Jolt and the other Mini-Cons safe from the Decepticons was to send them back to Cybertron. However, the Mini-Cons refused, as they preferred stay and fight alongside the Autobots. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|No Way Back!}} Some time later, Jolt, [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] and [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]] infiltrated the Decepticon base in [[Silver Ridge]], intending to free the Decepticon-owned Mini-Cons. Jolt complained about it all the time, repeatedly pointing out how risky their little adventure was. When they eventually found their fellow Mini-Cons, they turned out to have no intention of escaping, but instead captured the Autobot-allied Mini-Cons for the Decepticons. Jolt defended the group by zapping [[Crumplezone (Armada)|Crumplezone]] and [[Swindle (Armada)|Swindle]] with electricity, allowing Longarm to save Sparkplug from [[Leader-1 (Armada)|Leader-1]]'s grasp. After escaping, the three discussed if the Decepticon Mini-Cons were corrupted somehow, but Jolt had a feeling they had always been huge jerks who deserved to be with the Decepticons. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|Into the Lions' Den!}}

Jolt later helped helped send a probe to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] to activate any leftover Mini-Cons. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 6|Between Two Worlds!}} After pretending to give themselves up to the Decepticons, Jolt and the other Mini-Cons ended up imprisoned on a [[solar barge]] on the way to the Decepticon base on the Moon. They easily broke out, and Jolt helped out by using electrifying darts to take out Cyclonus, who was pulling the barge. He then saved Sparkplug, who had fallen into the void of space, and the Mini-Cons all returned to Earth safely. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 6|Lost in Space!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers'' (PS2)===
Jolt was one of many [[Mini-Con]]s who crash-landed on Earth when fleeing the war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He was trapped inside a Mini-Con-Disc and needed to be saved before the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] could find him. Once awakened, he agreed to assist the [[Autobot|Autobots]] in their battle against [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and became [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]]'s Mini-Con partner. You can run him over, but due to gameplay-reasons he actually is invincible. Jolt does not talk, but if attached to Hot Shot, he increases his speed in exchange for [[Energon (fuel)|Energon]]. If his special powers are not needed, he follows his counterpart by foot, defending and assisting him with shots from his laser gun. {{storylink|Transformers (PS2)|Transformers}}

==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:Hotshotarmadatoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|JaAm copter! YAY!!]]
* '''Hot Shot w/ Jolt''' (Super-Con, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MC-03'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block

: Jolt transforms into a red helicopter of an unknown model. He plugs into Hot Shot's butt (ewww) to activate Hot Shot's head cannon gimmick and (in the same motion) fires a missile from Hot Shot's hubcap. He can also attach to Hot Shot's spoiler plug in vehicle mode to form the combined flight mode used in Jolt's introduction. The chest/engine piece from Hot Shot can be attached to Jolt's vehicle mode or held as an arm cannon-type weapon, but in both cases does not sit well without support.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Mini-Con/Jolt/jolt.htm More information on Jolt at TFU.info]''
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*'''Hot Rod w/ Jolt and Air Defense Microns''' (2002)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MS-01'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block

: [[Takara]]'s "Hot Rod" and Jolt were also released in a box set with the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]]. Each item in the set is identical to their individual versions.

[[Image:Hotshotpowerlinx.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Lemon JaAm copter?]]
* '''Powerlinx Hot Shot w/ Jolt'''

: For Hot Shot's "Powerlinx" [[redeco]], Jolt's and Hot Shot's color schemes were basically reversed, with Jolt now colored yellow and black.

: In November of 2003, US [[Toys"R"Us]] stores had special bonus pack Max-Con (Deluxe) toys, which came with a single bonus Mini-Con attached to the card over their sticker, for less than the price of a normal Max-Con during Toys"R"Us' post-Thanksgiving-day sale. Like Powerlinx [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], Powerlinx Hot Shot and Jolt could come with one of the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]] members: [[Dune Runner (Armada)|Dune Runner]], [[Iceberg]] or [[Ransack (Armada)|Ransack]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Mini-Con/PXJolt/jolt.htm More information on Powerlinx Jolt at TFU.info]''
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*'''Hot Shot''' (Built to Rule, 2003)

: ''[[Built to Rule]]'' Jolt is a building-block set that must be assembled in each form then disassembled and rebuilt to "convert" from robot to helicopter and back again. Naturally, he was only available with Hot Shot.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Mini-Con/BTRJolt/jolt.htm More information on ''Built to Rule'' Jolt at TFU.info]''

===Universe (2003)===
[[Image:UnreleasedUniverseJolt.jpg|thumb|300px|OH GOD LONGARM I'M BLIND]]
*'''Smokescreen Vs Drench'''
**''Accessories:'' Hubcap-missile, engine

:[[Smokescreen (unreleased)|Smokescreen]] and Jolt were to be part of a ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' "[[Battle in a Box]]" set with [[Drench (SG)|Drench]]. Though tentatively a [[Target]] store [[exclusive]] (according to [[Hasbro]] representatives at [[OTFCC 2004]]), alas, it was canceled. Jolt was really kind of same-y, but lost all of his facial paint.

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===Universe (2008)===
====Armada Series====
[[Image:UniverseHotShotJolt.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I have articulation!]]
*'''Hot Shot with Jolt''' (2008)

:Jolt's entry into the Universe toyline is a newly engineered mold. While the overall look of the toy is basically the same, the transformation and articulation are different. He has extra paint applications on his tail section, as well as some parts now cast in black plastic for contrast and visual appeal, such as his propeller and upper arms. He now has one Powerlinx socket instead of the original two.

:Jolt can attach to Hot Shot's vehicle mode by inserting Jolt's arms/engines into slots in the back of Hot Shot's spoiler. However, the connection does not hold very tight. Jolt can also attach to the Powerlinx peg on the Hot Shot's vehicle mode trunk or robot mode shoulder, but this does not activate any features.

:Jolt's mold was also used for ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' [[Jolt (Henkei!)|Jolt]] and ''[[Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Cop-Tur (Timelines)|Cop-Tur]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Mini-Con/Jolt/jolt.htm More information on ''Universe'' Jolt at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
[[Image:MegaSCFHotRod.jpg|right|100px|thumb|]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Mega Super Collection Figure, 2002)

: A small, non-transforming Jolt based on his cartoon model was included with [[Super Collection Figure|Mega SCF]] Hot Shot.

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[[Image:Bigtransformershotrod.jpg|right|100px|thumb|]]
*'''Hot Rod''' (Big Transformers, 2002)

: The [[Kabaya]] "Big Transformers" Hot Shot included a tiny non-transforming vehicle-mode Jolt that can peg onto his shoulder.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Jolt''' (ジョルト ''Joruto'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Bütyök''' ("Knob"), later changed to '''Szikra''' ("Spark")

[[Category:Armada Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

Crowbar

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:''Crowbar is a [[Decepticon]] [[Dread (subgroup)| Dread]] from the [[Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:DOTM_Crowbar_concept.jpg|thumb|350px|"That must have been like, at least fifty pounds of meat."]]

'''Crowbar''' is well known as a master of breaking and entering. It doesn't matter if we're talking computer systems, human safes, or enemy compounds he's got the tools and skills needed to get you in. His weapons of choice are "nanotech sentries".

He also gives this wiki a ''lot'' of openings to make references to ''The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra''.

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' adaptations===

When [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] was being retrieved from [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], [[Hatchet]], Crowbar, and [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] surfaced quietly and secretly hitched a ride on the Autobots' shuttle back to Earth. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (novel)}} {{storylink|Dark of the Moon issue 1|Dark of the Moon #1}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===

[[Image:DOTM-IronhidevsCrowbar.jpg|thumb|300px|"If I could only reach you, we'd share... pain."]]

After [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] was retrieved from [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] and reactivated, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] put into motion the plan that had been waiting in the wings for hundreds of years. With the [[human]] [[Sam Witwicky]] believing that the Decepticons wished to capture Sentinel and force him to use the control pillar to activate his space bridge, [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]], [[Hatchet]] and Crowbar were sent to pursue the Autobots. Crowbar closed in on [[Seymour Simmons|Seymour Simmons']] car, transformed, reached in and tossed the former [[Sector Seven]] agent behind him as he bounding ahead to knock over a highway sign. However, despite their best collective efforts, Hatchet was quickly destroyed, and the remaining Dreads were soon confronted by the Autobot heavy-hitter, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], who stopped them in their tracks with a head-on collision. Faced with Ironhide's heavy weapons and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]], the Dreads seemingly capitulated by dropping their ranged weapons, but as soon as the Autobots followed suit, deployed spears to attack their enemies. Though Crowbar's spear found its mark, embedding itself into Ironhide's shoulder, Sideswipe tossed the Autobot veteran his discarded blaster, which he used to shoot the Decepticon in the face as Crowbar leaped to attack. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}
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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseLegion_Crowbar.jpg|thumb|300px|"I'm sorry, my wife sometimes forgets that she is ''not'' a space alien."]]
* '''Crowbar''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''009'''
**''Japanese ID number:''

: Part of the second wave of [[Cyberverse]] Legion single-pack toys, Crowbar is a surprisingly tall [[Legends Class|Legends-scale]] figure that transforms into a unmarked version of a Carbon Motors E7 Police car. His left hand is designed to interact with Cyberverse weapons and playsets. He has molded detail around his head that resembles dreadlocks. Due to the armor plating on his knees, his arms can be hard to transform.

==Notes==
*The Transformers.com website's Vector Sigma database entry for Crowbar strangely illustrates his nanotech sentries using an image of [[Roadbuster (DOTM)|Roadbuster]]'s Assault Saw weapon.
* An early working name for him was "Hooligan".<ref name="nizzi">[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi DOTM concepts.]</ref>

==References==
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[[Category: Cyberverse]]
[[Category: Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]

Roadbuster (DOTM)

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{{disambig2|the Dark of the Moon NASCAR racer|the Generation 1 armored jeep|Roadbuster (G1)}}

:''Roadbuster is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:RoadbusterDOTM-card.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Left, redneck, left!]]

When '''Roadbuster''' isn't out bashing [[Decepticon]]s with his buddies, the [[Wreckers]], there are only a couple of other places to look for him. He might be in his shop, hammering out a new piece of armor or putting together another in the line of powerful weapons he's made for the [[Wrecker]]s. He might be out on the race track, pushing his engine to the limit with his human buddy [[Recon|Sergeant Recon]]. Wherever he is, though, you can be sure he'll be going about his task with his head down and his shoulders set. Roadbuster's not a big talker and he's no genius, but his willpower and dogged tenacity always get the job done.

{{quote|Let's get some!|Roadbuster|''[[Dark of the Moon (film)]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Ron Bottitta]] (English), [[Shunsuke Sakuya]] (Japanese), [[Armando Coria]] (Latin American Spanish)

[[image:RoadbusterDaytona500trailer.jpg|thumb|left|250px|He ain't afraid of no roads. Just right turns.]]
Roadbuster, Leadfoot and Topspin, collectively known as [[Wrecker|the Wreckers]], by [[Charlotte Mearing]], had arrived with the second wave of Autobots aboard the Autobot ship, the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]'', and were rarely let off of the NASA base because of their attitude. They would spend most of their time working on repairing their ship along with some human engineers, including [[Robert Epps]].

When [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]] announced that the current occupation force of Autobots was to be exiled or the Earth would face the wrath of hundreds of Decepticons, the three prepared the ship for launch and accompanied [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and the others aboard, sending the ship into the atmosphere - where it was then targeted and blown to smithereens by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], seemingly killing all the Autobots aboard. Undaunted by this, the Autobot's human allies nonetheless tried to launch an incursion into Decepticon-held [[Chicago]].

Fortunately for them, the Autobots were not actually aboard the ship, and had only feigned their deaths in order to keep the Decepticons from following up on their global threat. Leadfoot and the other Wreckers swung into action immediately, rescuing Epps, [[Sam Witwicky]] and a group of soldiers from a [[Orbital Assault Carrier|Decepticon fighters]] and executed a the pilot. Upon being questioned on their apparent death's Roadbuster stated that they had built the ship, but hadn't been inside it when it had been destroyed.

While the Autobots were scouting a route to the building containing Sentinel's [[Space bridge]] pillars, [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] and his pet [[Driller]] seperated Optimus from his weapons trailer. Optimus ordered Roadbuster and the other Wreckers to create a distraction so that he could retrieve it, and in their armored racecar forms fired at Shockwave with their machineguns until being forced to retreat, leaving behind [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and [[Brains]], who had hitched a ride with them. After Optimus had become snared in a contruction site's cables, the Wreckers set out to free him. After doing so they rejoined the battle, battling against a long-limbed Decepticon. After the battle Roadbuster stood with the other survivors, accepting that Cybertron was gone forever and that Earth was their new home. {{storylink|Dark of the Moon (film)}}
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==Toys==
===Dark of the Moon===
====Cyberverse====
[[Image:DOTM_CyberverseLegion_Roadbuster.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Roadbuster''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2011)
**''Series:'' '''1'''
**''Number:'' '''014'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''CV22'''

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====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:DOTM_Deluxe_Roadbuster.jpg|thumb|300px|WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO JUNIOR!!!!]]
*'''Roadbuster''' (MechTech Deluxe, 2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''DA09'''
**''Accessories:'' MechTech Blaster/Assault Saw

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxes, Roadbuster transforms into a [[NASCAR]] [[wikipedia:Chevrolet_Impala#NASCAR_Sprint_Cup|Sprint Cup Chevy Impala]] stock car, specifically [[Wikipedia:Dale_Earnhardt,_Jr.|Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s]] #88 car with [[Wikipedia:Amp Energy|Amp Energy drink]] and National Guard sponsorship logos. Like the other NASCAR-based ''DOTM'' toys, Roadbuster lacks the multiple small "contingency" sponsor decals found on a full-sized NASCAR racer, although he does have NASCAR Sprint Cup Series logos.

:As part of the [[MechTech]] series, he has a spring-loaded blaster weapon that features flip-out "chainsaw" blades; however, the blades cannot lock in the deployed position. There are three mechtech ports on him, one on his roof, and two on each door, all of them fill in when there is not a weapon inserted in them. He also features [[C joint|C-joint]]-compatible 3mm rods in the supports for his (nonfiring) back-mounted missile pods and under his hands. Also, the wheels on his legs can be swiveled down on to a lower peg.

:The back missile launchers can still deploy while in vehicle mode to form a Stealth Force-like configuration.

:The Japanese release comes packed with a character card and an accompanying transparent plastic card of his MechTech weapon for the MechTech Wars online game.

:His MechTech weapon was redecoed for the ''Dark of the Moon'' [[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] toy.
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====Human Alliance====
[[Image:HA_Roadbuster.jpg‎|thumb|300px|They're going to need an extra pit crew member or two to reload the chain guns.]]
* '''Roadbuster with Sergeant Recon''' (2011)
**''Accessories:''

: Roadbuster is a bigger-scale Human Alliance figure that comes with [[Sergeant Recon]]. Roadbuster is now in his weaponized mode, as opposed to the standard simple race car mode like the deluxe class. He has a machine gun in the front, two cannons in the back, and one rocket booster that shoots a missile. In robot mode, Sergent Recon can man the machine gun by flipping up over Roadbuster's head. Roadbuster also comes with the rocket booster which doubles as a gun that can be placed on either arm. Unfortunately, Roadbuster suffers from a very thin torso section.

: There is a [[variant#running change|running change variant]] of Roadbuster which replaces the generic font for the [[tampograph|tampographed]] driver number "88" with a style that is much closer to the actual NASCAR race car and the NASCAR decals near the headlights are replaced with the Sprint Cup Series logos.

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====Robo Power====
=====Robo Fighters=====
*'''Roadbuster''' (2011)

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==Notes==
* Roadbuster has "sunglasses", a "baseball cap" a "goatee", and a "mullet" making him resemble a stereotypical NASCAR fan. Or [http://racingnewsdigest.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/drivers/Dale%20Earnhardt%20Jr.jpg Dale Earnhardt Jr.]
* As part of the promotions for ''[[Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', the film prop versions of Roadbuster, [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]], and [[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]] made appearances at the [[2011]] Daytona 500 at Daytona International Speedway on [[February 20]]th. They appeared both off the track as display cars, and on the track, participating in the ceremonial first lap.
* This isn't the first time there's been a Wrecker named [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]].
* Early concept art revealed that Roadbuster was originally going to have Jeff Gordon's #24 [[Wikipedia:DuPont|DuPont]]-sponsored Chevrolet as his alternate mode.<ref name="nizzi">[http://www.joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi DOTM concepts.]</ref>
* Early concept art showed that Roadbuster was a red Autobot with the name '''Warpath'''.<ref name="nizzi"/>
* In the movie's end credits, he's listed under two names, '''Roadbuster/Amp''', the latter referring to his NASCAR vehicle mode's primary sponsor, [[Wikipedia:AMP Energy|AMP Energy]].
*Roadbuster has a rank stat of 9, the highest out of the 3 Wreckers, which may make him their leader by default.
* Roadbuster's Scottish accent and occupation as an engineer are likely nods to the character Scotty from the original ''Star Trek'' series.
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Roadbuster''' (ロードバスター ''Rōdobasutā'')

==References==
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[[Category: Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category: Wreckers]]

AllSpark

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{{disambig3|Allspark}}
{{featured}}
[[Image:Movie and animated allsparks.jpg|right|thumb|400px]]
Although its physical form differs across the [[universal stream]]s in which it appears, the powers and history of the '''AllSpark''' remain common across the [[multiverse]]: It is one of the fabled [[sacred implement]]s, the objects capable of [[Allspark|creating]] new [[Transformer]] [[Spark|life]]. Its origins are unknown, lost to the distant past, sometimes predating even [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself, but it often gives the impression that it possesses a consciousness of some kind and is either working towards a cosmic plan of its own divining, or is carrying out the will of a [[Primus|higher power]]. In truth, the physical AllSpark is but a shell to contain the incredible life-giving energies within; should that shell be destroyed, the energies will remain, as potent as ever, merely waiting for a new vessel to inhabit. Any fragments that would remain in the event of the AllSpark's physical destruction would still possess all of the incredible power that the original object did.

The AllSpark's power has long been coveted by the [[Decepticon]]s, ultimately requiring the [[Autobot]]s to launch it into the depths of space, putting it beyond the reach of any Cybertronian.

==Fiction==
===Live-action movie universe===
[[Image:Allspark movie.jpg|left|250px|thumb|It will tear your soul apart.]]
In this [[continuity family|universal cluster]], the AllSpark takes the form of a large, metallic cube inscribed with [[Cyberglyphics]]. Sources say it was created by a nameless power for a reason, but that reason is as yet unknown... <ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_GB/play/details.cfm?R=841A4DEF-19B9-F369-104F-C8D8DEC0C2CE:en_GB Hasbro timeline]</ref>

{{bigquote|Before time began, there was... the Cube. We know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That is how our race was born.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] on the origins of [[Transformer|his race]]|''[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]}}
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====IDW pre-movie comics====
[[Image:Defiance4 allspark creates primes.jpg|right|thumb]]
The AllSpark was responsible for creating the planet Cybertron and the first entities that inhabited it, a race of massively powerful trans-dimensional beings that became known as the [[Dynasty of Primes]]. The AllSpark sustained the planet and the Primes through its continuous generation of [[energon (fuel)|Energon]], but the Primes soon discovered its vast power was finite, and they were at a loss on how to restore it. The answer came when a nearby star went nova, the released energy repowering the AllSpark. The Primes knew that more stars would have to be found for sacrifices in the future, and the AllSpark responded to their need by creating the Transformers, a new race of shape-changing robots to serve the Dynasty: [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] to search for suitable stars, and [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicons]] to build massive [[star harvester]]s to take the energy of those suns. Knowing the destructive capabilities of these harvesters, the Dynasty tempered their search with the rule to never destroy a star with a life-bearing world. The AllSpark then formed a key to activate the harvesters, the [[Matrix of Leadership]], which the Dynasty protected. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}} In time, however, one of the Primes began to believe the AllSpark was talking to him, that it had chosen him as its acolyte. He began destroying inhabited solar systems to power the AllSpark and grew frustrated with the Dynasty's restrictions, constructing a star harvester on [[Earth|a primitive world]] on order to draw the other Dynasty into a trap, that he might kill them all. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 4|Tales of the Fallen #4}} Only [[Prima|one Prime]] survived the slaughter, imprisoning the rogue Prime—forever after known as [[The Fallen]]—in his [[sarcophagus]], before then hiding the Matrix away in a tomb made of the bodies of the dead Primes, giving his life to seal it. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 3|Revenge of the Fallen #3}}

[[Image:Defiance 1 Simfur temple.jpg|thumb|265px|left|Wait, is it smaller?]]

As the millennia rolled by, the Transformers would form a new society, and the tales of the Primes and the AllSpark would slip into legend. The cube itself was forgotten, lost beneath the surface of the planet, and without a supply of energy regularly being harvested for it, Cybertron's energy began to diminish, leading to factionalization and tribal warfare amongst the Transformers. Eventually, one of the Primes' descendants, [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], gathered a small group of loyal followers, including [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], and together, they scoured the depths of Cybertron for the cube. The AllSpark was discovered beneath the city of [[Simfur]] and unearthed, prompting an attack by Sentinel's most violent opponents, the [[Thetacon (tribe)|Thetacons]]. During the battle, technical genius [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] used a device to warp space and time, teleporting a sun from across the galaxy into Cybertronic space. Rather than sacrifice the sun as the legends claimed was required, however, Sentinel gambled that mere proximity to the star would be enough for the cube to re-energize itself... and he was correct. The AllSpark was revitalized, and new life flooded into Cybertron as hostilities came to an end in the face of the truth that Sentinel had been right all along. The Thetacons constructed a [[Simfur Temple|temple]] around the AllSpark, as a way of making amends for their aggression. {{storylink|Foundation issue 1|Foundation #1}}

Evidently, the Transformers declined to plumb the depths of the AllSpark's knowledge; it was said to contain the only recorded history of Cybertron, but to the Transformers, the AllSpark was the source of life, and that was all that mattered. Some time later, by which point leadership of Cybertron had shifted to an uneasy joint rulership between Optimus and Megatron, the Simfur Temple had come to be guarded by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}} Peace on Cybertron ended when the Fallen's sarcophagus was unearthed by an archaeological dig, causing the AllSpark to give off pulses, attracting the attention of a hostile [[Eshems alien|alien species]] from the [[Eshems Nebula]] who attacked Cybertron. {{storylink|Defiance issue 1|Defiance #1}} The Fallen began communicating with Megatron, and tempted him to seize the power of the AllSpark, leading him to go rogue with his own army, the Decepticons {{storylink|Defiance issue 3}} Optimus, now dubbed Optimus [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] following the discovery that he was connected to the Dynasty of Primes, formed his own army of Autobots to counter Megatron. In the war that followed, Cybertron was decimated, and eventually Optimus was forced to capture the AllSpark to keep it out of enemy hands. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4|Defiance #4}}

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Eventually, Prime made the decision to launch the AllSpark blindly into space to put it beyond Megatron's reach. At Optimus Prime's orders, Bumblebee and a group of Autobots served as decoys, drawing the Decepticons to [[Tyger Pax]], far enough away from the artifact's true location to buy Prime the time needed to prepare the launch. Megatron witnessed the launch from afar, and immediately took off after the cube, pursuing it across the galaxy for thousands of years. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 1|Movie Prequel #1}}

Once launched into space, the AllSpark automatically sought out the location of a harvester, and made its way to Earth, where the Fallen had constructed one thousands of years beforehand. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}} The cube landed in the region of the planet that would eventually become [[Nevada]] around 10,000 BC; Megatron successfully tracked the cube to Earth, but wound up crashing in the [[Arctic]] and freezing solid for hundreds of years, to be eventually discovered in [[1897]] by Captain [[Archibald Witwicky]]. Four years later, in [[1902]], the government operatives tasked to investigating this frozen "Mega-Man" discovered the AllSpark in the [[Colorado River]]. {{storylink|Movie Prequel issue 2|Movie Prequel #2}} Metallurgist [[Lou Hoover]] and her husband [[Herbert Hoover|Herbert]] were called in by the government to examine the cube, but it would take over a decade before Herbert was able to orchestrate the diversion of the river so the cube could be excavated. The excavation of the AllSpark took place in [[1913]], but was interrupted by the arrival of the Seeker [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]], who had been stranded on Earth thousands of years ago. Jetfire accidentally triggered a discharge of Energon from the cube which brought a collection of machines to life, and the Hoovers were forced to break open the floodgates and allow the river to "drown" the creatures and submerge the cube once more. Herbert subsequently ran for [[President of the United States]] and won, orchestrating the construction of the [[Hoover Dam]] in the area to serve as a new, more durable and permanent housing for the AllSpark. {{storylink|Irreplaceable|Irreplaceable}}
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====Titan Magazines pre-movie comics====

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While Bumblebee's team distracted Megatron, Optimus Prime himself had to press the fatal button that would launch the AllSpark into space. While he was struggling with the decision at the last moment, fearing the potential slow death he would be condemning Cybertron to if he carried through with his plans, an alarm alerted Prime to the attack of a drone that had been specifically sent to destroy him. Instructing his assistant [[Arctus]] to launch the AllSpark if he did not return in ten [[Units of time|cycles]], Prime headed out to battle the drone, but the fight only wound up carrying them back into the AllSpark's chamber. To destroy the drone, Prime transformed to his cometary [[protoform]] mode and smashed clean through it, rendering himself unconscious in the process. When Prime awoke, he looked up to see the AllSpark rocketing away into space. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 1|Prelude: Optimus Prime}}

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The AllSpark had not been cast blindly into the sea of stars, however: It had, in fact, been launched directly towards the [[Alkaris Anomaly]], a wormhole that could potentially transport the cube to an infinite number of locations in the universe. Briefly delayed by an Autobot tractor beam, Megatron could not stop the cube from entering the wormhole, and instead chose to follow it into the anomaly. While the AllSpark was disgorged somewhere in the vicinity of the Sol system, to eventually crash on Earth, Megatron was deposited by the wormhole in some other, far off star system, leaving him to hunt for the Cube through the endless reaches of space. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2|Prelude: Megatron}}

Later on, a space-travelling [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] would be captured by an alien craft—its inhabitants appeared to be immense entities that claimed the All Spark had been stolen from them, and did a psychic probe of Ironhide. They turned out to be "[[:Image:Titan5_digitalghosts.JPG|electrical ghosts]]", a digital imprint from another time kept alive by the photon-rich atmosphere; the ship was a derelict, salvaged by another (rather feeble) alien race that had been using these ghosts as a front. The ship contained a device attuned to AllSpark energy though, making it clear the original inhabitants ''did'' have some connection to the AllSpark... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 5|Lost In Space 3: Ironhide}}
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====''Transformers'' film====
[[Image:Movie All Spark Hoover Dam.JPG|left|275px|thumb|The true power behind Ernő Rubik's success.]]

[[Sector Seven]] agent [[Seymour Simmons]] explained that the The AllSpark was found in 1913, 16 years after the [[Non-Biological Extraterrestrial|N.B.E.]]-01 "[[Megatron (Movie)|Iceman]]" was found, though carbon dating tests indicated that Cube landed on Earth some twelve thousand years earlier. The [[Cybertronian languages|glyphs]] on the Cube were similar to the ones on the Iceman, indicating a link between the two. In order to hide the cube's energy signature from other humans and, potentially, from other N.B.E.s, the [[President of the United States|President]] had the [[Hoover Dam]] built around it. The Iceman was also moved to the dam for further study. It was eventually determined that the Cube emitted a radiation which could [[AllSpark Mutation|bring mechanical devices to life]].

[[Image:Movie2007 Bumblebee AllSpark.jpg|right|thumb|275px| The Allspark Cube will never threaten to stab you and in fact, cannot speak.]]

Without the AllSpark, Cybertron itself began to atrophy, becoming an uninhabitable world. The Autobots and Decepticons abandoned their planet and took to the stars, searching for the lost AllSpark, the Autobots hoping to use its power to restore their dead homeworld, the Decepticon seeking its power to animate the machines of other planets to build an army. Bumblebee succeeded in tracking the cube to Earth, and the rest of the Autobots arrived there in 2007, and allied themselves with Captain Witwicky's great-grandson, [[Sam Witwicky]]. Together, they traced the cube to its hiding place in the Hoover Dam, inadvertently revealing its location to the Decepticon spy [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]], who summoned the other Decepticons and deactivated the systems keeping Megatron in cryo-stasis, bringing him back online. To get the AllSpark to safety, Bumblebee interacted with the cube and somehow prompted it to collapse from an enormous monolith into a object less than half a meter across, and accordingly lesser in mass as well as volume.
[[Image:Megatron allspark merge.JPG|left|275px|thumb|More fibers and less All Spark in your diet prevent Spark attack.]]

The AllSpark was quickly taken to nearby [[Mission City]], where Sam was instructed to take it to the top of the highest building for evac. Stumbling as he ran, Sam fell and struck the AllSpark on the ground, causing it to release a wave of [[energon radiation]] which brought [[Dispensor|several]] [[Xbox 360 robot|nearby]] [[steering wheel robot|machines]] to life. Upon reaching the top of the building, Sam was confronted by Megatron, but refused to turn the cube over to him, and was sent toppling from the building. Optimus Prime came to his rescue, and during the battle that followed between Prime and Megatron, the Autobot leader told Sam to merge the AllSpark with his [[spark]] in order to destroy it. However, Sam instead merged it with Megatron's spark, destroying both the Decepticon leader and the AllSpark. Only a single fragment of the cube appeared to remain, which Prime plucked from Megatron's dead body.

Without the AllSpark, the Autobots had no means to restore their homeworld, and so elected to remain on Earth. Prime sent a message to inform the surviving Autobots of their new found home. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}
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====Titan Magazines post-movie comics====

[[Image:UKmoviecomic7 allspark energy.jpg|right|thumb|215px|Come on give me a seven!]]

Immediately after the end of the clash in Mission City, the battle's sole Decepticon survivor, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], set upon the collection of machines that the All Spark had brought to life during the chaos. From each of them, he plucked the spark of life that the All Spark had granted them, which took the form of small red cubes like the All Spark itself. By placing them into the bodies of his fallen Decepticon comrades, Starscream reanimated them as a kind of robotic [[zombie]] and sent them against the recuperating Autobots. [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] was able to deduce what was powering the undead Decepticons, and instructed his allies to target the All Spark energy signatures in their bodies, thereby allowing them to destroy them again. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 7|Starscream's Militia}}

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After defeating Optimus Prime, Megatron killed Sam Witwicky and claimed the All Spark, bonding himself to it and gaining the ability to channel its power. The cube was installed at a base in Savannah, [[Georgia]], where Megatron began using it to [[Eco-structuring|transform]] Earth into a new Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 1}} Megatron placed Optimus Prime in cryo-stasis, but Bumblebee and [[Mikaela Banes]] freed him, and the two leaders battled, with Megatron's ability to channel the energy from the All Spark allowing him to heal any wound Prime inflicted. Bumblebee saved the day when he hit Megatron with a nano-virus provided by Sector Seven that blocked the All Spark's energy, successfully killing him. At the same time as this fight went on, Ratchet and Ironhide penetrated the Georgia base, and Ratchet was forced to the All Spark in order to save the Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|Twilight's Last Gleaming, Part: 5}} A fragment of the All Spark survived the explosion, which, due to the cube's very nature, could conceivably possess all the power of the original object. Fearing that Megatron's link to the All Spark could have corrupted it somehow, Optimus Prime assigned Ratchet as the shard's guardians, {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 14|Aftermath Part 1}} but Ratchet could not resists trying to use the shard to revive [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]]—who was reborn as an amoral villain, proving the fragment had been indeed corrupted. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 16|Dark Spark}}

The Autobots were soon to discover that destroying the All Spark had not kept the Earth from danger: the planetary transformation process had reached the planet's core before it had been stopped, and the All Spark "infection" was now threatening to tear the planet apart. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} Simultaneously, on the dying Cybertron, [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] and his small band of Decepticons sent out a signal into deep space in the hope of contacting any entity related to the All Spark, and drawing it to Cybertron so it could revive the planet. [[Image:UKmoviecomic25 starscream allspark fragment.jpg|right|thumb|350px]] They succeeded; unfortunately, the entity they summoned was [[Unicron]], the Anti-Life. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}} After the Autobots helped stop Unicron, Stockade provided them with the [[Nucleon]] they need to negate the All Spark infection on Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

Starscream discovered that Megatron still lived on in a form, having downloaded his consciousness into the module he had used to control the All Spark at the moment of his death. Starscream had absorbed this module into himself, and so wound up being "haunted" by Megatron, who cajoled and taunted him into placing the module and an All Spark fragment into Megatron's corpse, resurrecting him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part Three}}
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====IDW post-movie comics====
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Following the Decepticons' defeat in Mission City, Starscream recovered the deactivated Frenzy from Hoover Dam in order to obtain the information the spy had amassed on the AllSpark from Sector Seven's database. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 2|The Reign of Starscream #2}} He beamed this data to Cybertron before returning there himself, where it was used to constructed a huge [[replica AllSpark]]. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 3|The Reign of Starscream #3}} Starscream sacrificed the lives of five Autobot prisoners of war to "jump-start" his new AllSpark, only to find that the construct simply... didn't work. Before Starscream could deduce the source of the problem, the Decepticons that had been following him turned on him for his failure, and the replica cube was destroyed by [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]. {{storylink|The Reign of Starscream issue 5|The Reign of Starscream #5}}

A month after the events in Mission City, the Autobots went to a secret [[Sector Seven]] facility located in the [[Nevada]] desert to escort the remains of the deactivated Decepticons to their resting place in the [[Laurentian Abyss]]. When the AllSpark shard Prime had taken from Megatron's body pulsed with energy near the Decepticon leader's corpse, Optimus Prime feared the worst and handed it to [[Vine|Professor Vine]] for safekeeping. After the Autobots left, [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] convinced Vine to take the shard into their underground facility, since to keep it in the open would only attract Decepticons, though Vine had misgivings considering the stasis-locked Decepticon [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] was also in the same facility. Vine's fears were well-founded: as he and Simmons moved the shard into secure storage, its energy reactivated both the very angry Wreckage and Sector Seven's own [[Landmine (Movie)|L.M.-1 units]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2}} After the attack, the AllSpark fragment was retrieved from the rubble by [[Salani]] and returned it to Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

Eventually, the Autobots and the American military entered into a [[NEST|formal alliance]] to defend Earth, and the AllSpark fragment was stored in a bunker under their base on the island of [[Diego Garcia]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}
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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film====

[[Image:ROTF Reedman steals shard.jpg|thumb|right|275px|"You got a Piece of Heart!"]]
In 2009, Decepticon spymaster [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] discovered that the surviving AllSpark fragment was being kept on Diego Garcia after hacking into a communication broadcast between NEST and General [[Morshower]]. Soundwave dispatched [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] and [[Reedman]] to retrieve the fragment, and it was subsequently used by [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]] to resurrect Megatron from the bottom of the Laurentian Abyss.

However, unbeknownst to anyone, the shard in NEST's custody was not the only surviving piece of the AllSpark. When Sam Witwicky began packing for [[Princeton University]], a sliver of the cube was revealed to have become embedded in his shirt during the battle of Mission City, and upon touching it, Sam's mind was flooded with Cyberglyphics. As The Fallen would go on to explain, the AllSpark cube itself was merely a vessel for the knowledge within, and Sam had absorbed that knowledge upon the cube's destruction, which was now released into his mind upon contact with its remains. [[Image:ROTF Sam Cube fragment.jpg|left|thumb|275px]] Sam dropped the sliver in shock, and it burned its way through his bedroom floor, falling into the kitchen below where it released a wave of Energon that brought the [[Appliancebot]]s to life. With this more immediate threat to deal with, Sam did not realize the full extent of what the AllSpark had done to his mind until his disastrous first day of class, during which he began uncontrollably babbling the specifics of the fantastic science of the Transformers to the shock and ridicule of his classmates and professor. He called upon Mikaela to bring the fragment to him, but no sooner had she arrived than Sam became targeted by the Decepticons, who desired the AllSpark knowledge in his brain to lead them to the hidden star harvester on Earth. Optimus Prime died saving Sam, and Sam, believing that the energy of the Matrix of Leadership could be used to resurrect Prime, sought out one of the Decepticon Seekers to translate the symbols he was seeing in hopes of finding a clue to its location. The Seeker they found was Jetfire, who was slumbering in the Smithsonian, and they used the AllSpark sliver to reactivate him. Although borderline senile, the ancient Seeker was able to translate the symbols Sam into a riddle that pointed the way to the Matrix's hiding place. {{Storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|Several further plot points centred on the AllSpark were present in the script for ''Revenge of the Fallen'', which were removed from the film itself but featured in the [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] and IDW's [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|comic book adaptation]] of the film. The knowledge of the AllSpark was responsible for getting Sam a scholarship to Princeton, having inadvertently increased his intelligence while it lay dormant in his mind. When Megatron killed Sam at the film's climax, the AllSpark's knowledge was transferred from Sam into to the Matrix of Leadership, effectively replacing the cube as its physical form (and essentially transforming it into an object much more like the traditional depiction of the Matrix in Transformers fiction). After the death of The Fallen, Optimus Prime recovered the Matrix, reclaiming the history of the Transformers.}}

====IDW post-''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics====

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Following the defeat of The Fallen, a new threat emerged to bedevil both Autobot and Decepticon alike: the [[Initiative]], a mysterious cabal headed by the Transformer-hating [[Carter Newell]]. The organization sought to recreate the AllSpark,although the other members of the Initiative board did not realize Carter's true reasons for doing so: having been crippled by a Decepticon Seeker named [[Fortress (ROTF)|Fortress]] in his youth, he now sought to exterminate the Transformers with their own technology. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}}

Recovering and reanimating the remains of the deceased Ravage, the Initiative placed the Decepticon under their control and had him liberate the appliancebots from [[Guantanamo Bay]]. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 5|Tales of the Fallen #5}} They drained the AllSpark energy from their bodies in order to feed the artificial AllSpark construct they had created at their mobile base in Inyokern, [[California]], but it proved an inadequate yield: if the construct was not fed with more genuine AllSpark energy to keep it stable, it would rage out of control and destroy most of the [[solar system]]. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1|Nefarious #1}}

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To feed the construct, Initiative troops penetrated Hoover Dam and gathered up the residual AllSpark energy left there after the cube's long residence. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}} The still-growing AllSpark consumed it quickly, but was briefly stabilized by the influx of new power, allowing Carter to connect his body and mind to the AllSpark's energies. Contact with the vast cosmic consciousness of the cube only gave him that final push into true megalomania, and during a subsequent virtual conference with the other members of the Initiatve board, he transmitted the AllSpark's energy over the network, bringing to life various pieces of equipment in the board members' offices. The feral newborn robots promptly killed all the board members, leaving him in sole control of the organization.

Soon after, the Autobots and NEST arrived, having tracked the Initiative to their base, which had since moved to [[Crater Lake]] in [[Oregon]]. To fight back, Carter instructed that all the Transformers that had been captured and brainwashed by the Initiative over the years be released, and that he would power them with the artificial AllSpark. This proved too much for the cube to handle, and it went into meltdown. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}} Carter refused to listen the warnings of the Initiative staff, using the AllSpark's power to kill [[Hank Kirkpatrick]] before being badly wounded by Reedman, who had been released by Ravage for just that purpose. Believing that the AllSpark would heal his wounds given time, Carter retreated in a portion of the mobile base, but was pursued by Optimus Prime, [[Buzzsaw (ROTF)|Buzzsaw]] (at the command of Soundwave, watching from above) and Fortress, who had been serving as the living core of the mobile base and had been freed by Carter's relative and Initiative staffer [[Ingrid]]. Prime caused Carter's vehicle to crash, and recovered the artificial AllSpark from the wreckage, attempting to stop its meltdown by feeding it with energy from his own [[Spark]]. Buzzsaw proceeded to kill Carter, and Fortress then convinced Prime to hand over the AllSpark construct so that he could teleport it away to the depths of space, where it exploded without harming any innocent life. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 6|Nefarious #6}}
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====''Cyber Missions''====
During a series of battles that followed the defeat of The Fallen, the AllSpark was repeatedly and rather anomalously referred to as if it still existed, when the cube had long since been destroyed. When describing a clash between [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], Optimus Prime claimed that the Autobot warrior was acting "in defense of the AllSpark" {{storylink|Cyber Missions 6|Cyber Missions #6}}; Megatron claimed he was searching for the AllSpark; and Optimus Prime described the Autobots as "defenders of the AllSpark". {{storylink|Decepticons Attack}} Maybe they were talking about the AllSpark knowledge that's now in the Matrix...?

===''Animated''===
[[Image:Animated allspark.jpg|right|325px|thumb|Obligatory mysterious life-giving MacGuffin.]]

The AllSpark of this universe is a sphere of blueish crystal. It is not known with absolute certainty if it predates Cybertron in this reality; the earliest record of its existence is its appearance in many primitive etchings from Cybertronian pre-history, dating to around eight billion years ago. The AllSpark's volatility meant that it required a housing to safely harness its powers, and so legend says that seven billion years ago, a mysterious hammer of alien origin that would become the symbol of Autobot leadership known as the [[Magnus Hammer]] was used to forge a container for the crystal sphere, which then held it through until the present day. Kept in the hands of the ruling body of Cybertron (originally the [[Guardian (Animated)|Guardians]], later the [[Protectobot (Animated)|Protectobots]] and finally the Autobots) the AllSpark was used to generate new Transformer life by infusing the [[protoform]]s formed from the proto-matter mined from Cybertron's [[Sonic Canyons]] with Sparks.

Around seventy million years ago, the Decepticon faction emerged, advocating the use of the AllSpark to bring Cybertron itself to life, that it might serve as a cosmic juggernaut that would allow the Transformers to return to the era of expansion and colonization of other worlds they had enjoyed nearly 700 million years beforehand. When the Decepticon leader [[Megazarak (Animated)|Megazarak]] was ousted by charismatic rhetorician named [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], tensions finally exploded, and the Autobots and Decepticons went to [[Great War (Animated)|war]] for possession of the AllSpark.

After something in the vicinity of six million years of civil war, things reached a crisis point when the Decepticons began a strategic bombing campaign on Cybertron, demanding the AllSpark be turned over in exchange for a cessation of hostilities. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} Rather than give in to Megatron's demands, the Autobots instead sought to put the AllSpark beyond any Cybertronian's reach, launching it randomly through a [[space bridge]] to some distant corner of the galaxy, where it was hoped it would never be found. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

[[Image:Tfnro allspark found.jpg|left|215px|thumb|Before time began there was…the irregular decahedron.]]

Four million years later, an Autobot maintenance crew led by [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] were repairing a space bridge in the [[Azazel asteroid belt]] when they stumbled across the AllSpark, hidden away inside a rock. Of their number, only [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] recognized the relic, telling them of its history and significance in the Great War, and believing that the AllSpark had now found them, rather than the other way around. Almost immediately, a small band of Decepticons led by Megatron—long since exiled after the war's end—showed up in [[Nemesis (Animated)|their warship]], having detected the AllSpark's energy readings. Megatron attacked the Autobots' fleeing [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|ship]] to claim the AllSpark himself, but his attempt was sabotaged by a bomb placed on him by his lieutenant, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]. The explosion sent the Autobots' ship careening out of control, at which point the AllSpark activated the space bridge, opening a portal through which the ship disappeared. It rematerialized over [[Earth]], and the Autobots entered emergency stasis just before crash-landing in [[Lake Erie]].

[[Image:Tfnro sari meets allspark.jpg|right|thumb|215px]]

Fifty years later, the Autobots awoke ventured into the nearby city of [[Detroit]] to save people from a rampaging monster. [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] quickly befriended a young girl named [[Sari Sumdac]], who convinced him to take her aboard the Autobots' ship when his teammate [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] was badly injured. While aboard, Sari came in contact with the AllSpark, which decided for some reason to open up to her—in more ways than one. Under its own power, the container opened to reveal the crystal within, which fired a beam of light at Sari's security keycard, reconfiguring it into the [[AllSpark Key]], a powerful tool with which Sari could upgrade, modify, heal and reconfigure just about any electrical device or appliance, including the bodies of the Transformers themselves.

[[Image:TFA TFandRollout Prime SS Allsparkactivates.jpg|left|thumb|215px]]

For a time, the Autobots were celebrated as Detroit's newest superheroes, but then Starscream tracked them down. He took hostages and demanded the AllSpark in exchange for their return. With Sari's help, the hostages were freed, but Starscream still managed to get hold of the AllSpark, and he quickly started obliterating sections of Detroit with it. Prime attempted to wrestle the AllSpark away from him in mid-air but again it opened, this time unleashing a powerful surge of energy that blasted away Starscream to parts unknown. Prime [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|did not survive]] his subsequent fall, but in desperation, Sari used the reconfigured AllSpark Key on him. The AllSpark intervened directly this time, and Prime's [[spark]] was restored online. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

Following this, the AllSpark was returned to the Autobots ship of the bottom of Lake Erie, and kept there for safety, rather than in their new Detroit headquarters. When more and more Decepticons began appearing on Earth, the Autobots believed it would be necessary to reactivate their ship and take the AllSpark away from Earth, but Sari refused to let her new friends go, and tried to sabotage their ship. The AllSpark, however, refused to let her, automatically repairing any damaged she inflicted before opening once more to project a terrifying hologram of Megatron, warning Sari of the danger that secretly lay in hiding on Earth. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}

[[Image:Megatron Rising 2 All Spark Megs boom.jpg|right|215px|thumb|Ouch.]]
The day of reckoning the Autobots had long feared came to pass when Megatron—whose decapitated head had been recovered by Sari's father in his youth and had since been kept in his laboratory—was restored through the power of Sari's stolen key. Invading the Autobots' now-airborne ship, Megatron tore the crystal sphere of the AllSpark from its container and inserted it into his chest, planning to use it as a weapon to destroy Earth and conquer Cybertron. However, Optimus Prime was able to reclaim Sari's AllSpark Key, and used it to crack the crystal, causing an energy surge that led the AllSpark to shatter explosively. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image: Missionaccomplished_allspark_fragments.jpg|left|thumb|215px]]

The AllSpark's physical form may have been destroyed, but its power was as potent as ever, merely dispersed. Portions of its substance also remained in the form of crystalline shards, which rained down across the greater Detroit area, yielding a variety of different effects. The earliest shards discovered had embedded themselves into [[Sumdac Systems]]s [[automaton]]s, machinery and vehicles causing them to go berserk, {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}, while other vehicles actually wound up being brought to life by the shards' power, creating [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]], {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}, [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] and [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]]. {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}} The human supervillains of Detroit were even able to get their hands on a few shards and put them to nefarious uses: [[Master Disaster]] used one to built a remote that allowed him to control other machines and fix the results of his underground street races, [[Image:Bridgetoofar1_starscreams_shard.jpg|right|thumb|215px]] {{storylink|Velocity}} and [[Slo-Mo]] found a shard that allowed her to slow down time. {{storylink|SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy}}

Starscream also felt the life-giving power of a shard: having been killed by Megatron shortly after his restoration, the treacherous Decepticon was brought back to life by a fragment, rendered essentially immortal for as long as it remained lodged in his head. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}} By breaking off small chips of the fragment, Starscream was able to create an army of clones of himself that he intended to use to usurp Megatron as Decepticon leader. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}} During the subsequent attack, however, Starscream was decapitated by a [[Headmaster unit]], and Megatron used his head and the AllSpark fragment within it to power his newly-constructed space bridge. To stop Megatron's plan to invade Cybertron, the Autobots used all the shards they had collected to bring their ship—in actuality the giant Autobot warrior [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]—back online. Omega shut the bridge down by absorbing its [[transwarp]] energies, but was sucked through the vortex just before it closed, taking all the fragments the Autobots had gathered with him. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}} Nevertheless, the Autobots were seen with another shard in their possession soon after, which inadvertently merged with a [[Headmaster unit]] and a fork lift to create [[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]]. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd}}

[[Image:Endgame1_prowl_reforms_allspark.jpg|left|thumb|215px]]

Some time later, working with [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] to complete his training in the use of [[processor-over-matter]], [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] successfully communed with the AllSpark, summoning together tiny slivers of its substance and energy to re-form a shard. This revelation came at the best possible time: soon after, Megatron attacked Detroit with three [[Lugnut Supreme|clones of Omega Supreme]], powered by AllSpark shards he had salvaged from the giant Autobot's body. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} [[Image:TFA Prime with Matrix.jpg|160px|thumb|right|It may not light our darkest hour, but it sure does look cool.]] To save the city, Jazz and Prowl combined their abilities to reconstitute as much of the AllSpark as they could, intending to use its power to project a shield over the metropolis. Although the pair were able to summon and re-combine many crystals, including Starscream's, they were unable to gather enough to accomplish the task, and so Prowl sacrificed himself, adding his own spark to the crystal mass, providing the necessary power. The AllSpark generated a shield that protected Detroit from the explosion caused by bombs Starscream had planted in the Omega Supreme clones, and the Autobots emerged triumphant. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}

Discovering that the reconstituted AllSpark was a volatile as legend claimed, Optimus Prime used the Magnus Hammer (previously stolen from [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] by [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] but later reclaimed by the Earthbound Autobots) to forge a new, smaller container for the crystal that he called an "[[AllSpark Matrix]]". {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} Wearing this Matrix around his neck on a chain, Prime led the victorious Autobots back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}
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===Aligned continuity family===
====''Exodus'' novel====
This universe's AllSpark resided in the [[Well of All Sparks]] on Cybertron, where it carried out the will of [[Primus]] by creating every Cybertronian life. When the Autobot/Decepticon war erupted, however, the AllSpark briefly ceased to produce life in a seeming act of divine rebellion, only to apparently change its mind and create one final generation — including [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]]—who entirely joined the Autobots. As the Decepticons besieged [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] made the decision to eject the AllSpark into space.

Many cycles later, after the war had drained Cybertron of energon, forcing the Autobots and Decepticons to depart the planet, the Autobot ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'' emerged from the space bridge to an unknown [[Milky Way|spiral galaxy]], and detected the energy of the AllSpark nearby... {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
Multiple characters have sworn by the AllSpark. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

==Games==
===''Transformers The Game'' (console)===
====Autobot campaign====
[[Image:Moviegame sam gives prime allspark.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]
The AllSpark was held in Hoover Dam behind a laser security grid. Once liberated by Bumblebee, it began to shrink to a more manageable size, but gave off jolts of energy as it did so, bringing the surrounding machinery to life as [[Energon drone]]s. After fending the critters off, Bumblebee took the AllSpark to Mission City, but it continued radiating Energon all the way, producing more and more Energon drones from the city's machines to bedevil the Autobots.

Following a huge subsequent battle with the Decepticons, Sam Witwicky was in the middle of handing the AllSpark to Optimus Prime when the apparently-defeated Megatron sprang to life and lunged at them. Prime seized the Decepticon leader's flail weapon and pulled him in, ramming the All Spark into Megatron's chest and destroying him. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game}}
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====Decepticon campaign====
[[Image:Moviegame_megatron_absorbs_allspark.jpg|right|thumb|250px]]
After the Autobots recovered the All Spark from Hoover Dam and brought it to Mission City, Sam Witwicky handed it off to Optimus Prime, who proceeded to play cat-and-mouse around the city with Megatron, trying to keep the cube out of his clutches. Unfortunately, Optimus tired before Megatron did, and the villain succeeded in killing him and obtaining the AllSpark. Megatron proceeded to safely absorb the cube into his body, boosting his power to obscene levels, and prepared to conquer the rest of Earth. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game}}
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===''Transformers The Game'' (PSP)===

[[Image:Psp_game_allspark_sculpture.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]

Mysterious military organization "The Corporation" had a large stone sculpture of the AllSpark decorating their front lawn, so presumably they were a division of, a cover or front for, or an alternate version of Sector Seven.

During the battle in Mission City, Megatron himself targeted Bumblebee for attack, swooping down on the little Autobot from above and seizing the AllSpark. Channelling its energies, Megatron then faced off against Optimus Prime in a protracted city-wide battle, using the cube's power to bring surrounding vehicles to life to make things even tougher for the Autobot leader. Eventually, Prime was able to knock the AllSpark from Megatron's grasp, at which point Sam Witwicky stepped in, grabbing the cube and plunging it into Megatron's chest, destroying him. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (PSP)|Transformers The Game}}
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===''Transformers: Autobots''===

[[Image:Ds_autobots_energon_drone.jpg|right|thumb]]

When Bumblebee located the AllSpark inside Hoover Dam, he didn't just have to get through a forcefield to recover it—he also had to deal with the Energon drones the cube began to create in some panicked act of self-defense, apparently believing itself to be under attack. Bumblebee persisted, fighting his way through the beasties and shutting the forcefield down, recovering the now-shrunken AllSpark.

Soon after, during the Battle of Mission City, Megatron claimed the AllSpark from Bumblebee, but this did not stop the [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Autobot Create-A-Bot]] from attacking him. The brave Autobot succeeded in knocking the cube from Megatron's hand, and sacrificed his own life grabbing it and slamming it into Megatron's chest. The Decepticon leader was greatly weakened by the blast, allowing Optimus Prime to finish him off once and for all. {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}
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===''Transformers: Decepticons''===

At the height of the battle in Mission City, Starscream tracked Bumblebee down and exterminated him, obtaining the power of the AllSpark for himself. Killing both [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] with his new powers, Starscream was then faced with his own protégé, the [[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|Decepticon Create-A-Bot]], and used his AllSpark abilities to create Energon drones to keep him occupied rather than kill him. This momentary generosity proved Starscream's undoing, however, as the Create-A-Bot defeated the drones, and managed to knock the AllSpark from Starscream, slamming it into him in hopes of destroying him. While the heroic act left the Create-A-Bot on the verge of death, Starscream was not hurt at all... until Megatron entered the scene, scooped up the AllSpark, and used its powers to destroy him. {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Decepticons}}
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===Allspark Highway===
The Autobots recovered the AllSpark, but had to carry it down treacherous dirt roads in a sort of relay race to get it to safety. The Decepticons repeatedly tried to snatch it from them, but eventually they just sorta gave up after [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] got hold of it, and the Autobots were victorious! {{storylink|Allspark Highway}}

===''Transformers Animated: The Game''===

[[Image:Eliteguard_allsparkfragment.jpg|right|thumb|250px]]

Megatron hired [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] to gather up scattered AllSpark fragments that he would use to power the space bridge he had secretly constructed. As coincidence would have it, the Autobots got wise to Megatron's plan just as they were dealing with some Sumdac drones that had gone berserk as a result of an AllSpark fragment becoming lodged in the machinery that was constructing them. They proved unable to stop Lockdown from obtaining the fragments, and Megatron departed through the space bridge to Cybertron. Optimus Prime and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] followed, but the bridge shut down before [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] could follow, requiring the little Autobot to find some more fragments to power it back up. He located a few with Sari's help, but they were promptly stolen by Lockdown, who intended to sell them on to the highest bidder. With a timely assist from Prowl, Bumblebee reclaimed the shards from Lockdown and was able to rejoin his teammates on Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The Game}}
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==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
[[Image:Movietoy_japanese_allspark_accessory.jpg|right|thumb|Dude, how are we supposed to play craps with this!]]
*'''Arcee Black Version''' (Deluxe, 2008)
*'''Incinerator''' (Voyager, 2008)
*'''Landmine''' (Deluxe, 2008)
*'''Stockade''' (Deluxe, 2008)

:While the "[[AllSpark Power]]" [[subline imprint]] was quite expansive in [[Hasbro]] markets, featuring numerous new figures and [[redeco]]es in various size classes, in Japan, [[TakaraTomy]] elected to release only [[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]], [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]], [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] and an exclusive black redeco of [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]. Each of these four figures came packaged with a small AllSpark accessory that was not available with Hasbro's releases of the figures.
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers (2007)===
[[Image:Allspark_paperweight.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''All Spark Cube''' (2007)

:Released by [[PopBox Collectibles]], this 1:4 scaled, 7cm paperweight replica of the AllSpark is made from die-cast metal. It also comes with a small 3x3x2cm square perspex base.
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[[Image:Allspark usb hub.jpg|right|thumb|300px| "because it has all our porn stored on it."]]
*'''AllSpark 4-socket USB hub''' (2007)

:Sculpted in the likeness of the AllSpark, this 4-port USB hub features an Optimus Prime sound clip—"We must protect the AllSpark Cube!"—that plays when new hardware is connected, and can also be triggered at will via a secret button.
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[[Image:Allspark cube with candy.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
* '''AllSpark Cube with candy''' (2007)

: Produced by [[Frankford Candy & Chocolate Company]] for Hasbro's [[Cap Candy]] brand, this AllSpark is made up of a set of four interconnected transparent plastic cubes that can be opened and folded into various different configurations to reveal pictures of the Transformers. The hollow cubes have delicious life-giving candy pieces inside!
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[[Image:Allspark_party_favors.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
* '''Allsparks cubes''' (2007)

: Like the candy cubes above, these sticker-labeled plastic folding party favor Allsparks {{sic}} cubes can be opened and stacked in different configurations to complete images of the movie Transformers, but they're much smaller and there's no candy involved. Created by DesignWare, a subsidiary of the [[American Greetings]] greeting card company. (Says it all, doesn't it?)
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===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[Image:Allspark_rubiks_cube.jpg|right|thumb|300px| Because Rubik's cubes weren't nerdy enough.]]
*'''Rubik's Cube Allspark Edition''' (2009)

:Originally slated to be released in 2008, this item was held back and was instead released in new packaging as part of the [[Milton Bradley]]'s ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' merchandise line. While it comes in the standard Rubik's Cube colors, the cube itself is cast in light grey plastic and the patterns seen on the movie AllSpark are printed on the colored facets, as well as an Autobot and Decepticon sigil on the white and yellow faces, respectively. This actually makes this version harder than the original Rubik's Cube, as the center faces must be properly aligned so that the patterns match up correctly. It comes with a grey stand with [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallization]] on one of the three embossed Rubik's logos.
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==Notes==
*The concept of the AllSpark was introduced in the first live-action movie, derived from hybridizing the concepts of previous life-giving talismans of Transformer lore, the Matrix of Leadership and [[Vector Sigma]]. The term "Matrix" was off limits because of the movie of the same name, so instead, the object was known as "[[energon cube|the Energon Cube]]" for most of the film's production, even appearing under that name in the movie's [[Transformers (novel)|novelisation]]. Producer [[Don Murphy]] was never entirely happy with the name, however, and so it was rechristened "the AllSpark" for the finished film. The finalized moniker came from the ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon, where it was the name of the [[Allspark|Transformer afterlife]].

*In one instance in the Cybertronian subtitles used in the first movie, the object's named is parsed "All Spark". This particular parsing was also used consistently in [[Titan Books|Titan]]'s [[United Kingdom]] ''[[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Transformers]]'' comic.

* In July 2007, several items from the movie were auctioned off on e-bay including the 'Hero' AllSpark prop used for closeups, with the money benefiting the [[wikipedia:Fisher House Foundation|Fisher House Foundation]], a living facility attached to many US Military Hospitals. The auction collected 99 bids and the prop was sold for US $20,100.

* While the ''Animated'' cartoon drew upon the movie in developing its AllSpark, sharing its life-giving powers, enigmatic origins and fated launch into space, the ''Animated'' AllSpark's outer container was designed in homage to the object that inspired them both, the Matrix of Leadership. As noted at [[BotCon 2008]], the ''Animated'' creative team had no intention of providing an in-story origin for their AllSpark, because to do so would run the risk of making the artifact less interesting, or being so bizarre that it shattered the audience's willing suspension of disbelief, or being so wildly convoluted that explaining it all would get in the way of telling the actual story, or all of the above.

*The launching of the ''Prime'' AllSpark was detailed in the apocryphal story, "[[Bumblebee at Tyger Pax]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''AllSpark''' (オールスパーク ''Ōrusupāku'')
*''Dutch name:'' '''Oervonk''' (roughly "Ancient Spark")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Örök Szikra''' ("Ever Spark")
*''Polish:'' '''Wszechiskra''' ("Allspark")
*''Russian:'' '''Iskra''' ("The Spark")
*''Spanish:'' '''La Chispa Suprema''' (America, "The Supreme Spark")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Vseiskra''' ("Allspark")

==References==
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Decapitation

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[[Image:Movie Bonecrusher dies.jpg|thumb|right|300px|This article only exists to please [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|him]].]]
'''Decapitation''' is a means of defeating an opponent by which his head is removed. Depending on the continuity, this may lead to [[death]].

[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ''loves'' it while [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]] hates it.

{{quote|Give me your FACE!|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] revels in his favorite tactic|''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:NewOrder-OptimusPrimehead.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Time to face facts.]]
{{quote|It's all a matter of how you remove your head. You see, even I - unh, there it goes - can take my head off. It's all a matter of how you do it. There's a whole set of mental commands that disconnect nerve endings and the like. If you just rip it off, fuel lines, neural connections and other vital bits are severed, as in the case of Cyclonus. Nine times out of ten it's fatal.|[[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] on decapitation.}}

{{quote|Well, it's quite simple really: the 'stupid female' (!) in question kindly restored Cloudburst's head to its rightful place, i.e. on top of his shoulders. Cyclonus wasn't lucky enough to have somebody around to do the same.|Dreadwind contradicting his previous statement.}}
After defeating the Autobots, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] removed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s head from his body for the purpose of accessing the [[Creation Matrix]]. {{storylink|The New Order}} Prime's head remained conscious and able to communicate with [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. {{storylink|The Worse of Two Evils!}} When he was finished with Prime's head, he disposed of a fake Optimus Prime as part of a ruse to trick the Autobots. The Autobots did indeed find the head and install it back on Prime's body. The fake head took control of Optimus's body and immediately started attacking the Autobots. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

In order to show his sincere desire for peace, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] ripped his ''own'' head off; five others followed him. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}} The heads remained alive and capable of talking even without a body. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

[[Image:MarvelUK-220.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Uh, I don't think you'll be able to turn anyone to stone with this.]]

''[[Straxus (G1)|Megatron]] would rip [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus']] head off his shoulders, which killed him instantly.'' {{storylink|Dry Run!}}

''[[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] give prerequisite mental commands when their heads come off. Suddenly ripping the head off, as happened to [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], means those commands aren't given and they black out.'' {{storylink|All in the Minds!}} ''The only thing that revives them is if the head is reconnected to the body; [[Zarak (Nebulan)|Lord Zarak]] remained as Scorponok's immobile head for some time.'' {{storylink|Time Wars (issue)|Time Wars}}

''During the Time Wars, [[Twin Twist]] had his head ripped off and [[Rack'n'Ruin]] had one of his/their heads shot off. Both were written off as dead.'' {{storylink|Time Wars (issue)|Time Wars}}

When [[Cloudburst]] pissed off the [[First One]], she cut his head off. However, [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] struck a deal with her and she returned Cloudburst's head to his body. He showed no signs of severe damage. {{storylink|Recipe for Disaster!}}

''[[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]] murdered two Autobots by lopping their heads off.'' {{storylink|Headhunt}}
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====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:CityofSteel Prime head.JPG|thumb|left|150px|Heading into the realms of disbelief.]]
[[Image:DesertionDinobots1 Powerglide no head.jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
Optimus Prime was decapitated by [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] as part of his disassembly after falling into [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s trap. This did not prevent him from being able to have partial control over his body parts. {{storylink|City of Steel}}

[[Cybertonium]] depletion caused [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]'s head to fall off, though he could still talk and had full control over the rest of his body. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}
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====Dreamwave comics continuity====
[[Skystalker (G1)|Skystalker]] took off [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s head so he could use it to trick the other Decepticons. [[Countdown (G1)|Countdown]] later used it to prove the [[guzzler]]s just what [[Micromaster]]s are capable of. Shockwave was eventually repaired. {{storylink|Victims of the Revolution}}

====IDW comics continuity====
[[Image:Devastation6 Runamuckdies.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Where knocking your block off has a rather more literal meaning than first intended.]]
[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] was decapitated by the Whirling [[Reaper]]. His head remained alive, fully conscious and still able to speak, until another Reaper smashed it with a very large boulder. {{storylink|Devastation issue 6}}
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====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[Image:Double Jeopardy Terrorsaur decap.jpg|left|thumb|200px|"Hey, Scorpy, wanna get ''ahead''? Just a bit ''off the top'' this time? Eh? Eh? (Wow, tough crowd)."]]
Decapitation is notably non-fatal for the Beast Warriors. [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]'s head frequently comes off, [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] has lost his a bunch of times too, [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] got his head knocked off in an explosion, {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} and when Inferno and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] accidentally slammed into each other, they swapped heads. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}

In most cases, the Transformer was still able to talk happily. In some cases, like poor Terrorsaur's to the left, the Transformer's body could still move and would try to re-attach its head. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}

Megatron was obviously going for this result in his attempt to kill [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and change history, but he only managed to melt parts of the Autobot's head despite routing all available power to his main weapon. There's something to be said for those "archaic energon guzzlers" after all. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}
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===Live-action film series continuity===
[[Image:Barricade-comicsadaptation-death.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Your face? GIVE ME YOUR WHOLE FREAKING HEAD!]]
[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] rather ruthlessly decapitated [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]].

[[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] was decapitated ... by [[Mikaela Banes|a chick!]] ... but his head lived on, taking a cell-phone [[alternate mode]] of its own. Frenzy is able to do this because he has a special, decentralized, modular nervous system.<ref>Frenzy's profile in [[Transformers Comic issue 7]], which was re-worked from his entry in ''[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]]''.</ref> In any event, the remains of his head were later seen in a display case, probably because his final injury in the movie only lopped off MOST of his head. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}

[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] was decapitated by Optimus Prime, apparently killing him. {{storylink|Movie Adaptation Issue Number Four|Movie Adaptation #4}}

[[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]'s head was torn in half and then removed by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

Hunters are known for decapitating the corpses of their kills, and displaying them as trophies. Optimus Prime, surprisingly, finds it distasteful. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.10| Bring Me the Head of Optimus Prime}}

[[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]], [[Laserbeak (DOTM)|Laserbeak]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], the [[Driller]] and [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] are decapitated in the third movie. [[Que]] and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]'s heads fell off when they died. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|Barricade's decapitation was not shown in the film and later comics [[retcon]] him as surviving with his head still on his shoulders.}}

===Animated continuity===
[[Image:TFA Headmaster headbutt.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Glad to see you've got some headspace to deal with this issue (had enough of the puns yet?)]]
The [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] uses his [[Headmaster unit]] to cut off the heads of [[Transformer]]s so that he can take control over their bodies. Yet this does not kill his victims.

Two stand out examples of surviving decapitation are worth noting. The first is the example of [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], who was decapitated during an uncontrolled re-entry into Earth's atmosphere. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} He was sent into stasis lock as a result, but was reactivated fifty years later thanks to [[Sari Sumdac]]'s [[AllSpark Key]], which had been powered with the energies of the [[AllSpark]]. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

The other major example is [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], but this is atypical. Starscream's survival was because of an AllSpark fragment embedded in his head, meaning he could survive any normally spark threatening injury as long as the shard was in his head. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

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== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race for the Mini-Con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[War for Cybertron games|games]], [[Transformers: Exodus|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Transformers: Exodus|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Transformers: Exodus|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
I think that if they were in the game or in Exodus:The Offical History of the War for Cybertron, they should be labled (WFC),but if they poped into the Prime teley-show or comics, they should be labled (Prime).-[ [User:DinoDigger97|DinoDigger97]] 2:11 3 Apil 2011

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::After looking at them, I realized that they were Steve Stonebreaker's scans. I have contacted him and received permission to use them here. I'll be adding more soon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==
[[Image:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|300px|TOO MANY QUOTES]]
Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'd set a "soft" limit higher for 30-minute episodes {{m-}} around 10 quotes {{m-}} and I'd allow more than that if the episode was particularly well-written or quotable. I don't think there's any need for a low, hard limit, as I don't think lots of quotes hurt the wiki until we get into "quoting the whole darn episode" territory. Heck, in fact, I might favor a policy of ''judging each quote for itself.'' I.e., if a quote is good/noteworthy/illustrative/funny/wadeva, it can be kept, even if there are two dozen other quotes already. Each must stand on its merits, but there would be no hard cap. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, some episodes happen to have a lot of funny/significant/memorable lines, others don't. If we set a hard cap, we might be damning ourselves to a lot of pointless fights over which quotes deserve to be included under the arbitrary limit. I'm more in favor of making a list of criteria that we can point to when we weed lame quotes out.
:::::::::Oh, and I support making a template. ''Prime'' Soundwave is the best character I can think of to use, but Movie Bumblebee or G1 Wreck-Gar would also be appropriate. Or a shot of G1 Soundwave with a tape inside of him? Can't think of a good header, though...
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:49, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::I mainly suggested it as a starting point because if it comes down to putting each quote in place based on "which one we like more" the talk pages are going to be absolutely horrible. HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT MY FAVORITE QUOTE IT IS SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT. The "5 per 30 minutes" is just a suggestion - obviously an episode that's really funny or poignant can get more. Comics issues we could maybe use pagecount as a starting point. But basically, combine the two ideas. A list of criteria is a good idea, but we also need to avoid having like, thirty quotes for a given story, twelve of which are totally shitty. If we get over five-six quotes, it's time to think about trimming, just because seriously, 90% of TF fiction isn't that goddamned quotable - or there are better places for the quotes. "I don't rock and roll - I burn!" belongs on Inferno's page, not on the episode it appeared in. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:51, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Fair enough. Just so long as the number is sufficiently "soft" that we don't forget that our goal is high quality, not an arbitrarily low quantity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Exactly. Like I said, I think we can also judiciously use key ''character'' quotes on the ''characters''' pages. Some quotes are very episode/story specific, while others provide insight into a character's personality or mindset. I think that's a good way to winnow the chaff, you know? -hx at work not logged in gotta run
::::::::::::::The 5-6 quotes before we start trimming sounds good, especially if some more individual character based quotes can be moved to the character pages. The big problem I keep seeing with quotes is that too many people want to quote an entire scene. If it goes beyond 3 lines it's probably not what we mean by quote here. And even 3 lines is pushing it. These should really be a single line quip or a two line set up and pay off. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:22, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::5 to 6 sounds like a good starting point to me as well. Khajidha makes a good point about the definition of quote. That, along with Hooks' point about using key character quotes on that character's article, should be pointed out on [[Help:Example episode article]], once it exists. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:32, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
What about block quotes? The page for Transformers (2007) is full of them. I think there should be a limit on how long the quote can be.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 16:48, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
== Maybe a silly question, can we? ==

Ok, exposing my ignorance here, but isthere a way to search the wiki by alt-mode? If I wanted to know every TF that turns into a Helicopter say? There's not a "helicopter" catagory, so howwould I find them all? Thanks for any help.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:59, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:[[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]] covers some characters. There's been a few vague proposals to create a new hierarchy of categories for altmodes, but it would be a lot of work, and it's generally shouted down. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:08, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:I think the current best option if you want to do something like this is TFU.info's Identify section. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:00, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

==Grimlock letter==
[[Image:Grimlock letter.jpg|thumb|right]]
I recently acquired this and thought it's exactly the sort of thing we should be covering. I had no idea it even existed until a friend sent it to me and on that thought, should we add letters from Soundwave, Ratchet(?), Dreadwind and Blaster to the Holy Grails? Was there a similar response from the US comic, and do Titan still send these letters out today from Starscream? Enquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, he said he got Tailgate as his free mini-toy. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
:Good find. A letter from Grimlock is pretty awesome. That should go somewhere. The Letters Page page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:58, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::I've added a link from there; I'll type it up verbatim if we think it's justified? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 18:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

== Voice actors by series ==

We have a bunch of categories for voice actors by language, but I was wondering if we should have categories for voice actors by series? Would categories like "Beast Wars voice actors" and "Victory voice actors" be useful? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:27, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:That could be useful. It'd be better than looking up cast lists and opening up every character page, at least. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:30, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

::Sound like a nice idea to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

== "Just Stop" Notice? ==

Do we think there's a role for the following proposed user notice template, for users like Eagc7?

{{messagebox|image_name=War_War_Stop_It.jpg|image_width=225px|width=90%|header=Just Stop|message_text=Please stop editing this wiki. While you haven't done anything ban-worthy (yet), you are not a productive contributor. (The reasons ''why'' are above this notice on your talk page.) So, please, '''just stop.'''}}

Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:39, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:If one is created, I love this image for it! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::It seems a bit rude, but the image would be ''perfect'' if this is made. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:45, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:::If this gets phrased differently, I'd support it. Right now, the text's too rude. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it is meant to be rude and probably should be rude. This tag is designed to be placed on the talk pages of people who have seemingly ignored the multiple instances of other tags. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:57, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

I'm a little iffy on this proposal. I admit that Eagc7 has a very poor grasp of the English language, but I'm a little uncomfortable with telling a person to leave a site just because of that. If you look over his fiction edits (the ones you can read) the posts he has made are accurate, just...occasionally unreadable. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:02, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:I'm with SFH. Eagc7's English seems to be all over the place, but there are times when he gets it more or less correctly and only needs minor typo fixes. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:21, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
Whether a person's edits are bad enough (and bad enough all the time enough) to ask them to never post again seems like something that shouldn't be in the hands of, well, everybody. Putting a template up that says you're a bad speller or that you're not using Preview enough... that's pretty straight forward. But I dunno if I'm comfortable with giving us all a tool to shame each other off the wiki entirely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:In addition, if someone's edits are so bad (and so consistently bad) that they're more of a nuisance than they are helpful, then that person should probably just be gotten rid of, instead of getting the Middle Finger Personified In A Template. As Detour said, yeah, Eagc7's English could use some work, but he does enough good here that I don't think he's completely poison or anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:51, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
I could maybe get behind the idea of a "Stop editing until you've read the complaints on your user page" template for the blissfully unaware people constantly making edits that are being undone as soon as they make them whilst ignoring comments on their user page telling them what they're doing wrong. But a template like THIS, and this sort of behavior in general, is how we end up with trolls that come by and vandalize the wiki on a daily basis for years and years. We could avoid that sort of future headache by just not being all-out douchebags to people even if they're stupid and/or their contributions are annoying. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:15, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:I suppose the only problem with making a "read your talk page" template is that they'll never read it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:24, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::: I like this idea, too. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::Got me there. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:36, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:This will not go well. If someone's a real pest here, ban them. If they're being a pest but not quite that bad yet, notify them on their talkpage with whichever templates are already needed, and then if they don't clean up, ban them. We shouldn't be creating--publicly--an underclass of users. If you're allowed to have an account here, you're allowed to post--otherwise we look scummy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::This is basically every stereotype of this wiki and its userbase given textbox form. I love it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:33, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

The consensus seems to be against it, and the arguments are all good ones. (Kind of a pity, since the image was so perfect, but...) I withdraw the suggestion. Thanks all for weighing in! [[User:JW|JW]] 20:25, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:It is a good template despite the rudeness, but it is potentially necessary for extreme conditions as a last resort. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Is it possible that we could reuse that image for another template? Perhaps a Final Warning template, letting users know that if they don't cut their shit out, they're gonna get banned. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:42, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
: Clearly it should be used for a "stop edit/revert warring" template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:32, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

== Our Blogger blog? ==

To me it appears that our blog doesn't have much use. Our twitter sends out links to occasional pages and our facebook is an easy place to congregate and talk about TFs and not take up our talk pages, but the blog hasn't been used in over half a year.

I'm thinking using it to keep track of current trends and such. We could highlight pages that are being worked on, point out users who have been creating/adding a lot to pages (i.e. Geewunling creating minor GI Joe pages, Chris McFeely going crazy with the Japanese food tie-ins). This way an editor or lurker who happens to miss a few days can easily catch up rather than having to sift through the new pages and new files (and even then if a page has just had an entirely new writeup from a stub, it wouldn't show up there).

Any thoughts on this? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 14:21, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

:I think it would be a good way to draw attention to obscure and/or new stuff on the Wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:46, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think so, too, but there are questions left unanswered if we want to go ahead with this. Who would be given control over the posts? Should it be extra mod duties or instead given to some other veteran editors? If so, how many? Would we want weekly updates or something with less frequency? Overall, who is in the current position to grant other users the power to add posts. I can see this as a useful too, but like many things on this wiki, we need to come up with some sort of procedure before it comes to fruition. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

==TFwiki in the past week==
Could someone tell me why the TFwiki has been down/inaccessible for most of the time in the past week? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:04, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:I would wager "massive spikes in traffic, as DotM stuff hits," which has happened before.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::I thought traffic wouldn't be a likely cause since the third movie is still over a month away. Guess I was wrong. Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:::There's at least some clamor now that the toys are out there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:46, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::::Technical explanation or non-technical? Traffic HAS picked up a bit, the wiki hardware (such as it is) is slightly overtaxed, and we need to start doing some math on what we can separate into other servers, and how much it'll cost to do so.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:15, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::Cowboy time. We've moved the application server and cache to another box, and synced over the contents. If anything's missing, we can try to sync it over from the old webserver, but it wouldn't be off by more than a few minutes, so here's hoping that we're back in business!--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:43, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::No wonder the connection becomes smooth again recently. Nice Works!! --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, I'd noticed that the site was back to normal. Thanks for the hard work. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:52, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::Thanks for fixing our wiki! [[User:JW|JW]] 07:15, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Eagc7's movie comic section edits ==

Lately Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is good. However, Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is bad. I know he tries, but whenever he does this sort of thing, he just ends up creating work for somebody else to clean up, and frankly, it's easier to write stuff from scratch than it is to fix somebody's spelling & grammar, as well as trying to make the text fit the tone and style of the paragraphs surrounding it (which is important considering the Foundation comics take place during the other Movie prequel comics). I haven't read Foundation and Rising Storm, [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eagc7 so I can't fix all of this myself], but that seems like a fair bit of work to fix at a time when the wiki was experiencing random downtime and BotCon is rapidly approaching (meaning a good chunk of our regular editors will not be able to edit much, and in any case would be updating stuff about/from BotCon). Like I said, I know he's trying, and he's getting much better than he used to be, but... maybe he should leave fiction edits to the professionals. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:Take it up with him via his Talk Page or the E-mail a User link. If there's really a stylistic problem, then we need a Style Guide for new users to reference.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:04, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

==Page views==
Where have they gone? I believe that they have disappeared from down the pages since the move a few weeks ago. Can they be put back? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:09, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
: I don't recall pageviews... What in specific are you talking about? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:12, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::I guess [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Popularpages popular pages]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah those, how often a page has been visited. I kinda liked keeping tabs on relative popularity in pages (like how Mayumi and Shinichi ''never'' lost their 2:1 view ratio). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:24, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::The broken popular pages has apparently been a thing lately, as I noticed Abates was removing and re-adding the link to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] earlier this month. Maybe he knows more about it? --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 18:41, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::No more than anyone else. I noticed it was gone and removed it from the template, but then it came back when we did the move so I readded it. I guess it got removed again, possibly for performance reasons? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:58, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::If I had to make a poorly-educated guess, the pageview thing sounds exactly like one of the many things I had to remove from Shortpacked.com to keep it from lagging so so badly. Lots of neat little things like page tracking and stuff like that used to be on there, but they were more trouble, resources-wise, than they were worth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I didn't change anything, but I generally make it a point to keep away from the Mediawiki software config, for fear of breaking that which I don't understand. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:07, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::May have been Scout I guess? Looks like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableCounters $wgDisableCounters] got turned on at some point anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:02, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Wait, that WAS me. $wgDisableCounters is supposed to be off for squid-cached installations anyway, since it doesn't actually work when you add a cache. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 21:26, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Why is Melissa from Kiss Players on the same Page as Marissa Faireborn from G1? ==

I know they are some how connected ,but i see the two as different as G1 Starscream is to Animated Starscream ,maybe the same history ,but a little different.--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Michael Alex Kawa]] 10:43, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:They are related in the same way that Orion Pax is related to G1 Optimus Prime. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:51, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
: Marissa = Marissa. Same continuity and everything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:02, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== I don't know if this was what you are looking for when you asked for Kiss Players radio play translations ,but i hope this helps . ==

I found this on Youtube cause I LOVE Melissa and noticed in that Holy Grail thingy that you guys needed Kiss Players radio play translations .I hope this helps ,even if it doesn't it is still pretty cool and CUTE .I did not make it so that is noted .Here is the link so you guys can go and look to see if it what is needed ,it is the only one i can find ,if it helps i will try to find more .[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y]
--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 18:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

I also found this site ,it gives a brief description of the radio play ,again i hope this helps .[http://www.toyvey.com/kisskiss/radioplay/index.html]--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 14:32, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:I haven't looked at the material myself yet (I'm afraid it'll make me have to clean myself until I bleed to get the stain out) but if it's legit, then thank you very, VERY much. This stuff needs to be cataloged to serve as a warning to future generations. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:25, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

== The multiverse ==
So, at BotCon, Aaron Archer declared the Aligned continuity separate from the old, more meta multiverse. How does everyone want to approach this? Separate the aligned information about Primus, Unicron and the members of the 13, or keep it together for easy access and lack of confusion just as one article covers the various versions of the Matrix, or Energon, or the AllSpark? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:06, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:Wait for Japan to release some piece of fiction with Prime as part of the Multiverse, then ignore him with a clear conscience. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
::Huh. I never realized until now that Japan even had the Multiverse. I guess because they don't have as many universes. And they don't have collectors' club fiction. I vaguely knew there was crazy dimension hopping in Alternity, but I figured that was its own thing. But yup, it's right there on the Alternity page. Something about Hasbro-licensed fiction and Takara-licensed fiction sharing one big happy multiverse seems very, very weird to me. Anyway, I'll put an Alternity stub on the [[Multiverse]] page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:55, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Moving from Wikia ==

Hello guys, can anyone give me some advice about how to leave Wikia? I mostly need advice about easily moving content. I found that Wikia provides a database dump as an XML file with all page content except files, and with the page histories. I really need to have the page histories. I installed MediaWiki on my PC for testing, with EasyPHP for the database, and importing the XML file actually doesn't work. It says "Import failed: Loss of session data. Please try again." So I guess I set up my database too quickly and forgot some things. This was just for quick testing after all. Did you follow that template for moving, or something else? I'd really appreciate any advice and help from you! Cheers. [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:36, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:Right out of the gate, you need to go over EVERY page you download before you go live, because Wikia inserted code that provides linkbacks to Wikia in them, meaning your pages will be providing THEM with hits. I do not know exactly what process is involved, but it's a scumfuck move of theirs that you should be aware of. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:18, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
::Nice to know, thanks. But what about what I mentioned above? How do I start and all? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 17:46, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:::A helpful resource for leaving Wikia is the [http://awa.shoutwiki.com/ Anti-Wikia Alliance site], which has useful info on departing from Wikia. The "loss of session data" usually means that you just have to try again. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:02, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:I'm just the server architecture guy, so I can't help with the XML import, but let me warn you right now, Mediawiki for a moderate-traffic site is a PIG. Get a server geek to help you out, as we've got a buttload of cache, and STILL have performance issues from time to time. It's all stuff I can probably fix, if I ever have the free time to dedicate to the problem, but it's definitely a big old pain in the rear. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 08:27, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
::Shoutwiki has been down for some time now, so the Anti-Wikia Alliance can't really help... :/ McFly, you mean I shouldn't stick to Mediawiki? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:23, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I mean that you should make sure that whoever you've got really knows how to tweak your wiki installation to stand up to the traffic. Wikia is terrible at a great many things. Providing high-availability Mediawiki service to their userbase is NOT one of them.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 12:15, 24 June 2011 (EDT)

== Fiction Header Sprawl ==

[[Image:Proposal section headers.png|thumb]]
Our fiction sections (particularly for movie characters) feature a gob-smackingly large number of headers (apparently one for each miniseries.)

This can make it difficult to tell, as one's reading, is the next section is a new continuity or continues from the old one.

I propose a '''<tt><nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki></tt>''' template that could be used to mark fiction headers which continue from the previous section. Proposed markup follows:
===''Transformers'' 2007===
Mojo was a bling'd puppy.
<nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki>
===Revenge of the Fallen===
Mojo's got a bitch
In the above example the ROTF section would be marked by a "continued..." as in the image at right. (It's a CSS preceeding-content declaration. It could just as easily be an arrow, and indent, graying-back the header, a color, etc.)

The example at right is clumsy, but I thought I'd throw it out to see if anyone thought the '''idea''' had merit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:56, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:I'm seeing a flaw in this, in particular with movie fiction, since there are events in-between films that don't necessarily mesh with the movies themselves. Likewise, G1 characters popping up in BW fiction, where it seemingly continues both Marvel G1 and Sunbow G1. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:32, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
[[Image:Rs-lastpannel.jpg|thumb]]
::That is a flaw which arises from the way we structure our fiction sections.
::The IDW DOTM adaption, for instance, makes several slight tweaks to the story-- presumably to better fit its ongoing plans for tie-in comics. Thus 'Rising Storm' should ''not'' be followed by the DOTM movie... it should be followed by the DOTM movie '''adaption''' (See pic at right, which explicitly declares this.)
::There have historically been problems with this-- we didn't want lots of redundant sections in character bios, the 2007 adaption dumped most of the Quatar action despite these scenes obviously occurring in their continuity... etc. So there was a hodge-podge "let's make only ONE section for each movie..." approach adapted.
::That's not getting into how cludgy the mini-derived section titles are. Scenes in ''Foundation'' and ''Defiance'' interleave with one another, making them virtually impossible to properly wikify under the existing section-title bodge-up. What we ''really'' need are sections like 'Era of the Primes' 'Before the War' 'Exile in Space' al sitting under an "IDW Comics Continuity" header.
::(Why the hell the Titans books are listed in the ''middle'' of the IDW miniseries escapes me.)
::Whatever, our headers-- particularly for movie comics-- are broken. Above is one suggestion to render them less-so. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:47, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I can definitely get behind something to simplify our header layout for the movie characters - I actually proposed something similar years ago, shortly after ROTF came out, which if I recall right basically amounted to "describe the movies first, then subsequent to them, do a section for each continuity" - IDW all in one, Titan all in one, and so on, rather than the frustrating, fragmented attempted-chronological order we use now. It just about worked for TF1, but after ROTF, things have just gotten more and more messy. However, I will spit ''blood'' if we turn into Wookieepedia and start with those rubbish "In-fiction description of time period" headers. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:53, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Hrm in the what now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::He means header titles like 'Era of the Primes' which describe a fictional time period. I can agree that those aren't a very good idea for us, given that such eras don't exist across all continuities in a continuity family. Trying to blend the various continuities in such a way implies they're more similar than they are. McFeely's idea of putting the films together, then having section for each of the other continuities, makes more sense for the way Transformers fiction is handled continuity-wise. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:54, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::I'm fine with Chris's idea or maintaining the current status quo. I am however, adamantly against time period sections. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I'm thinking McFeely's proposal has the least problems when it comes to sorting messy fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:08, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Took a bit of a poke around to see if that old proposal was still around, and [[User:Chris_McFeely/ROTF_proposal|restored it]]. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive38|Here's]] what some people thought at the time. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:12, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Uploading of pngs ==

I wonder whether a warning when someone tries to upload a png would help. By the looks, taking the 'png' extension out of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions Manual:$wgFileExtensions] (Is Scout still handing MediaWiki configuration?) will cause the site to display a warning which you then have to continue through to upload the image. It's possible that people will just click through without reading it like with the "this is a huge file" warning, but it seems like it'd be worth a try. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:32, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:What's wrong with PNGs? I was under the impression that they worked. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:28, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
::Pngs use a compression method that is not well suited to screencaps, so a png screencap will be unnecessarily large compared to a jpg copy of the same screencap. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:59, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I've made the appropriate changes. Let's see if it makes a difference. (I doubt it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:57, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== MonacoBook Skin ==

Hello. Dota 6 here! I was wondering if the MonacoBook skin is a custom MediaWiki skin or can you actually download it from somewhere? --[[User:Dota 6|Dota 6]] 21:11, 29 July 2011 (EDT) Dota 6 signing out!

== What gives ==

Okay, I can see that maybe you don't find my jokes funny. I can accept that, but to simply "undo" my first edit to the wiki without comment is rude. Obviously I am not a vandal, I am not trying to cause harm. I have been reading this wiki for a few weeks, and I simply came to a page filled with ''terrible'' captions. Captions so bad that one actually asked for someone to think of something better. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Gold_Plastic_Syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=614367 This is the edit.] Maybe you don't see that as an improvement, but surely it is no worse than what was there. Even if you can't stomach all of them, surely you could simply fix one or two, instead of the entire edit. Surely you could at least leave a reasoning in the summary, or a message on my talk page saying "Thanks for the edit, but that isn't quite our style" or some-such. What is the point of having a wiki if you are simply going to smack new editors away without even having the respect to mention why? I understand that fighting vandalism is a hard and full-time job, but that is no reason to people with good intentions poorly. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 04:21, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Read this:[[Transformers_Wiki:Caption]]. Simply put, you need to do some actual work around here before messing with captions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 04:33, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Also, don't take it personally you weren't told why it was reverted. There's too many reverts in a day to bother to explain them all and it seems most anons and users-for-a-day simply don't care enough about their edit either to want to know why it was reverted, if they notice at all. If one cares, one can always ask - an explanation is guaranteed to be given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:59, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Bot request==
And we get a bot to change out all the instances of "Jusco" with "[[JUSCO]]", the proper capitalization for the stores? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:02, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
:There din't seem to be that many, so I went ahead and did 'em manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:45, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
::Do we still have a bot? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:29, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::...Um, I thought we had [[User:Deceptitran|your bot]]? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:44, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::And [[User:DNAVI]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:34, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::Oh, wait. DNAVI's owner thinks he's pretty much done with this place. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Decptitran's database structure got trashed when my site got deleted. ...I should probably fix it dome day. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:46, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== Interviews on External links ==

Flashback's recent plugging of his site's interview have struck my curiosity, what exactly is the standard for adding interviews to the external links on real-life people's articles? Anyone who's got an interview can add one, or do they have to be special interviews? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:If the interview adds relevant and interesting information to the person, I think it's ok in the external links section. If it's supporting a specific fact, then the reference format should be used.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:54, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think they should be primarily about (or at least have substantial coverage of) the subject's Transformers work. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::I think that should be the case too, unless the real-life person is tough to find any information on. I recently added an interview to Marlene Aragon's article that has nothing to do with Transformers, but does provide some information as to her age and her 'career' in voice acting. It wouldn't be interesting for anyone with a more prominent role in Transformers (or anything else), but since this is about everything the page can provide on her, it should stay. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:20, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:::That's interesting, it's the same reason I linked to an archived Allspark interview for Elaine To. There was no other information I could find about her anywhere else. But in regard to Flashback and his Realmcast interviews... I didn't listen to any of them in their entirety, but I listened to a third of the Michael Bell one, which can be summed up as both interviewer and interviewee complaining about the Michael Bay films daring to make the original voice cast audition for roles and then only using Cullen, and IDW's declining to go with that All Hail Megatron motion comic... So I'm really not certain these links really add anything other than a plug for Flashback's site. But if anyone else feels like listening to them and proving me wrong, go ahead, I don't mind. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

Artemis

2011-08-06T04:48:53Z

Semysane: Cannot believe I only just realized this

{{factions|predacon}}

:''Artemis is a gynoid from the [[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:Artemis-Model.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I wonder if she jingles when she walks.]]
'''Artemis''' (アルテミス ''Arutemisu'') is a gynoid stationed on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] of [[Gaea]] alongside her partner, [[Moon (BWII)|Moon]]. Artemis's job is to observe the war between [[Lio Convoy]]'s [[Maximal]]s and [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]'s [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], gathering all the information she can. She is very flaky and ill-tempered, and occasionally takes her frustrations out on Moon with a big mallet.

She has a disturbing [[Transformer romance|crush]] on both [[Scuba]] and [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]], not quite sure which one she likes better.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
[[Image:Artemis5.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Fighting with Moon by moonlight, losing at love by daylight.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Chieko Higuchi]] (Japanese)

From the beginning, Artemis and Moon watched over the Beast Wars on Gaea from their lunar sanctuary. At the end of each conflict, Artemis would relate the information gathered from the conflict, as well as the conflict's "lesson" ([[PSA|and knowing is half the battle!]]) to the camera. She was rivals (from a distance) with the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacon]] [[Scylla]], who was also in love with Scuba.

When Gaea came under immediate threat from Galvatron's [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], Artemis used all her power to help the Maximals. She and Moon finally made direct contact with the Transformers and helped them escape Gaea and reach Nemesis. In the final battle, her moonbase was obliterated, though she and Moon survived.
{{-}}
====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon====
[[Image:ArtemisMoonTeaParty01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|After the summer festival, they'll play a keen game of shogi.]]
After [[Unicron]]'s defeat at the hands of [[Big Convoy]], and the formation of an alliance between the Maximals and Predacons, Artemis and Moon somehow traveled to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

As Big Convoy and [[Magmatron]]'s forces had one last brawl for old times' sake behind them, the Gaea androids participated in a giant cross-faction party under beautiful cherry blossoms. They shared a drink (tea? sake? oil?) with [[Bazooka (BWN)|Bazooka]], [[Crazybolt]] and [[Sharp Edge (BWN)|Sharp Edge]], while [[Apache]] and [[Cohrada]] slept peacefully nearby (possibly drunk).
{{-}}

===Artemis & Moon II Report===
Scuba and Starscream were pitted against each other in battle. Before finishing the battle they learned that the winner had to go on a date with Artemis. Rather than succumb to that fate, both enemies chose to end the match in a truce. Artemis took it in stride.

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Due to Moon's excommunication, the [[Celestial]] Artemis was no longer allowed to work alongside him anymore. {{Storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}
{{-}}

==Games==
===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle'' video game===
{{note|Artemis is listed as a Predacon in this game, to equalize the combatants in each faction.}}
Artemis wound up battling several Predacons and Maximals in an struggle to obtain a super-powerful [[Energon crystal]] recently discovered on [[Earth]], aided by her friend Moon.

Together, they could also partake in various other tasks, such as a mission to break a boulder to reveal an energon crystal hidden within before sundown, using a block in a mission to defend themselves against various incoming projectiles, and missions to run across a pit-riddled field, sometimes involving hideously large bacteria that had to be fended off.

She obtained said crystal, after defeating her final opponent, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. However, she was blissfully unaware of the crystal's power she decided to use it as a decoration for her room, finding it pretty. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle}}
{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters' pages for Artemis's fate in those outcomes.}}

==Notes==
* Artemis and Moon are based on a Chinese legend about [[wikipedia:Chang'e|a lady]] and [[wikipedia:Moon rabbit|a rabbit]] who both live on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]].
* In the Greek pantheon, Artemis was the goddess of, among other things, the moon. Fitting!

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Artemis

2011-08-06T04:46:07Z

Semysane:

{{factions|predacon}}

:''Artemis is a gynoid from the [[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:Artemis-Model.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I wonder if she jingles when she walks.]]
'''Artemis''' (アルテミス ''Arutemisu'') is a gynoid stationed on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] of [[Gaea]] alongside her partner, [[Moon (BWII)|Moon]]. Artemis's job is to observe the war between [[Lio Convoy]]'s [[Maximal]]s and [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]]'s [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]], gathering all the information she can. She is very flaky and ill-tempered, and occasionally takes her frustrations out on Moon with a big mallet.

She has a disturbing [[Transformer romance|crush]] on both [[Scuba]] and [[Starscream (BWII)|Starscream]], not quite sure which one she likes better.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
[[Image:Artemis5.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Fighting with Moon by moonlight, losing at love by daylight.]]
:''Voice actor:'' [[Chieko Higuchi]] (Japanese)

From the beginning, Artemis and Moon watched over the Beast Wars on Gaea from their lunar sanctuary. At the end of each conflict, Artemis would relate the information gathered from the conflict, as well as the conflict's "lesson" ([[PSA|and knowing is half the battle!]]) to the camera. She was rivals (from a distance) with the [[Seacon (BWII)|Seacon]] [[Scylla]], who was also in love with Scuba.

When Gaea came under immediate threat from Galvatron's [[Nemesis (BWII)|Nemesis]], Artemis used all her power to help the Maximals. She and Moon finally made direct contact with the Transformers and helped them escape Gaea and reach Nemesis. In the final battle, her moonbase was obliterated, though she and Moon survived.
{{-}}
====''Beast Wars Neo'' cartoon====
[[Image:ArtemisMoonTeaParty01.jpg|right|250px|thumb|After the summer festival, they'll play a keen game of shogi.]]
After [[Unicron]]'s defeat at the hands of [[Big Convoy]], and the formation of an alliance between the Maximals and Predacons, Artemis and Moon somehow traveled to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

As Big Convoy and [[Magmatron]]'s forces had one last brawl for old times' sake behind them, the Gaea androids participated in a giant cross-faction party under beautiful cherry blossoms. They shared a drink (tea? sake? oil?) with [[Bazooka (BWN)|Bazooka]], [[Crazybolt]] and [[Sharp Edge (BWN)|Sharp Edge]], while [[Apache]] and [[Cohrada]] slept peacefully nearby (possibly drunk).
{{-}}

===Artemis & Moon II Report===
Scuba and Starscream were pitted against each other in battle. Before finishing the battle they learned that the winner had to go on a date with Artemis. Rather than succumb to that fate, both enemies chose to end the match in a truce. Artemis took it in stride.

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
Due to Moon's excommunication, the [[Celestial]] Artemis was no longer allowed to work alongside him anymore. {{Storylink|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}
{{-}}

==Games==
===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle'' video game===
{{note|Artemis is listed as a Predacon in this game, to equalize the combatants in each faction.}}
Artemis wound up battling several Predacons and Maximals in an struggle to obtain a super-powerful [[Energon crystal]] recently discovered on [[Earth]], aided by her friend Moon.

Together, they could also partake in various other tasks, such as a mission to break a boulder to reveal an energon crystal hidden within before sundown, using a block in a mission to defend themselves against various incoming projectiles, and missions to run across a pit-riddled field, sometimes involving hideously large bacteria that had to be fended off.

She obtained said crystal, after defeating her final opponent, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. However, she was blissfully unaware of the crystal's power she decided to use it as a decoration for her room, finding it pretty. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle}}
{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters' pages for Artemis's fate in those outcomes.}}

==Notes==
* Artemis and Moon are based on a Chinese legend about [[wikipedia:Chang'e|a lady]] and [[wikipedia:Moon rabbit|a rabbit]] who both live on [[Earth]]'s [[Moon (moon)|Moon]].

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Autobot operator

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:''The operator is [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

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The '''operator''' (オペレーター ''operētā'') manages the interplanetary communications of the Autobot base on [[Praum]].

==Fiction==
===''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masāki Ōkura]] (Japanese)
As part of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s plot to lure the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] to a trap on Praum, [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] hypnotized the operator into sending a distress signal to the Autobot base on [[Athenia]]. He was subsequently killed, along with all of the Autobot personnel on Praum.

The Decepticons' hand in the plot was not noticed by the Athenia Autobots till [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] pointed out Mindwipe's shadow hovering over the operator in a replay of the video message. {{Storylink|The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery}}

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Chip Chase

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:''Chip Chase is a [[human]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:RollForIt Chip Chase at the mike.jpg|right|300px|thumb|It's a cartoon from the '80s. By law, ''Transformers'' has to have at least one character in a wheelchair.]]

'''Chip Chase''' is [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]'s best friend and a staunch ally to the [[Autobot]]s. Despite their high level of technology, the Autobots will often consult Chip, benefiting from his genius-level IQ and skills in computer programming and electronics, in addition to several other fields of science. He will often be found hanging out with distinguished scientists and academics, as well as developing new technology with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] for use in the fight against the [[Decepticon]]s. For Chip, the fact he's confined to a wheelchair is barely an impediment.

{{quote|No one's ever really disabled so long as he has courage.|Chip Chase|"[[Divide and Conquer]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Horton]] (English), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese)

[[Image:RollForIt TheInternets.jpg|left|200px|thumb|In 1984, the Internet was only used by nerds to complain about how terrible Transformers was.[http://groups.google.com/group/net.comics/msg/1cdaf7df610e0376?dmode=source&hl=en]]]

Chip Chase came to the attention of the Autobots as a friend of Spike Witwicky and the whiz behind [[Alcazar|Dr. Alcazar]]'s [[antimatter]] formula project. He, Spike and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] paid a visit to Alcazar's desert laboratory to pick up a disk which would allow Chip's home computer to interface with the more powerful computer at the lab. On the way home, they were alerted to an imminent Decepticon attack, and Chip rushed inside to alert Dr. Alcazar by computer. The warning allowed Alcazar to upload the antimatter formula to Chip's PC. Meanwhile, [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'s [[battle computer]] had been disabled during a skirmish, and he contacted Chip's computer in search of help. Chip was able to help him chase off the Decepticons.

[[Image:RollForIt FloppyDisk destruction.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Holy crap, man.]]
Unfortunately, the Decepticons had traced the formula to Chip's computer. He memorized the formula and ''tore up'' the floppy disk containing it. The Decepticons proceeded to kidnap him, and [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] plucked the formula from his mind anyway. As the Decepticons began manufacturing antimatter, Chip was rescued by Spike, Bumblebee, [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]. The Decepticons turned up at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], with [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] transforming into a powerful antimatter gun, but Chip was able to attach Wheeljack's remote control device to [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], turning the Decepticons' own weapon against them. [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] pronounced Chip a hero. {{storylink|Roll for It}}

Chip was attempting to help a weapons factory increase their productivity when the Decepticon [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s attacked it. He was able to transmit a distress signal to the Autobots, and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] swiftly arrived to take on the three Decepticons. Chip warned him of a heat-seeking missile, seemingly before it did anything to indicate it was heat-seeking. Weird. A stray blast hit the computer, but Chip's life was saved by Optimus shielding him from the resulting explosion. Prime was badly damaged, necessitating a trip to Wheeljack's lab on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to collect a vital component, the [[Cosmitron]]. Chip used [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] to predict the next location of the Decepticon [[space bridge]] and tagged along on the mission on the basis that they needed a computer genius to get through the lock the Decepticons had placed on the door of the lab. They quickly gained entrance to the lab and located the necessary part Optimus needed, but a [[Rainmaker|group of Seekers]] created [[acid rain]], to which Chip was strangely immune. He was able to rally the Autobots, encouraging them to overcome their vulnerability to the acid rain. They rushed the Cosmitron back to Optimus, arriving in time to save his life. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}}

[[Image:WarDinobots Chip warning Autobots.jpg|left|200px|thumb|"So then I took that floppy, and I was like 'BAYM!' and Ravage was all like, 'Dayuumn, son!'"]]
Late one night at an observatory, Chip spotted a strange meteor headed for [[Earth]] and alerted the Autobots, accompanying them to the location he had calculated the meteor would touch down. Spike suggested that they dub it [[Meteorini Chipperoni]] in his honor. After the meteor became a meteorite, Optimus obtained a sample, and they returned to headquarters. Wheeljack's analysis of the meteorite fragment revealed it was highly unstable, sending Optimus on a mission back to the crash site. Meanwhile the Autobots set about building two more [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s based on Chip's suggestions of a stegosaurus and a pteranodon. [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] were completed in time to fly to Optimus Prime's aid, the other three Dinobots having been turned against him by Megatron. Chip and the others arrived to find [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and Optimus already making up. {{storylink|War of the Dinobots}}

Chip was present when Megatron challenged Optimus to a duel, and he accompanied the Autobots to watch the fight, musing to [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] that it reminded him of ancient Roman gladiatorial combat. Despite all their cheering, and much to Chip's disbelief, Optimus was soundly defeated. However, when they got back to HQ, Chip was able to use Teletraan I to analyse Optimus's damaged parts and determine that Megatron had cheated, rendering the result of the contest void under Cybertronian law. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

[[Image:Chipchase.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Mein Führer, I can valk!]]
After watching a Formula 1 race with Spike, Chip came up with the idea of the Autobots holding a race for charity. The pair took the idea to Optimus Prime, and the race was soon set up. Megatron used the opportunity to test his new [[Transfixatron]] on the Autobots, and the two boys were forced to make their escape in Bumblebee. Returning to HQ, Chip consulted Teletraan I, revealing the nature of Megatron's new invention, and Wheeljack and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] were able to construct a [[Anti-transfixation grenade|grenade]] to reverse the effects of the device. They headed out to where the Autobots had been taken and immediately engaged the Decepticons. Spike passed the grenade to Chip, who ''stood up in his wheelchair'' to catch it, then managed to get close enough to throw it into the Autobots' midst before [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] intercepted him. The Autobot forces regained the ability to transform and battled the Decepticons into a retreat. Ratchet bemoaned the resulting repair work he was going to have to do, much to Spike and Chip's amusement. {{storylink|The Autobot Run}}

[[Image:TheCore Chip in Wheeljack.jpg|left|200px|thumb|All Autobots are Americans with Disabilities Act-compliant.]]
Chip and Wheeljack developed the [[dominator disc]]s, intended to bring [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] under Autobot control. Once the discs were placed on the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] and they formed Devastator, Chip activated the discs, and the combiner promptly turned on the other Decepticons. Chip was overjoyed at the success of their invention, but the next time they faced the Decepticons, Megatron was able to use an electronic disruptor to override the dominator discs. Wheeljack and Chip worked frantically to get the now-wild Devastator back under their control, as the Decepticons' giant drill neared the center of the Earth, but it was only with the addition of Megatron's disruptor that they were able to succeed. Although Devastator stopped the drill, he was firmly a Decepticon again. Chip was greatly disappointed, but Optimus told him to hang on to his dreams. {{storylink|The Core}}

[[Image:DinobotIsland2 Spike Chip and Beachcomber.jpg|right|200px|thumb|]]
Perplexed at the appearance of strange time warps, the Autobots consulted Chip, who was able to use Teletraan I to locate two more warps. With [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]]'s help, he soon traced the source of the temporal disturbances to [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]]. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

When the Mayor of [[Central City (Earth)|Central City]] organised [[Autobot Day]], Chip turned out with Spike and Sparkplug to join the cheering crowd. They then reacted with disbelief when a recording produced by [[Shawn Berger]] appeared to incriminate the Autobots in stealing energy, but joined in solidarity with their friends, even as the rest of the crowd turned hostile. Optimus and the others were put on trial. Chip attempted unsuccessfully to stall things while Spike looked for evidence to prove the Autobots' innocence, but he and Sparkplug were soon forced to give their farewells, as the Autobots were launched into space aboard a rocket. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} With mounting disbelief and horror, Chip and Sparkplug witnessed [[Decepticon Day]], though Chip still held out hope that Spike would find some evidence to exonerate the Autobots. Naturally, it wasn't long before the other shoe dropped, and Megatron proclaimed himself ruler of Earth.

[[Image:MegatronsMasterPlan2 Thrust holding Chip.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Maybe if I squeeze you hard enough, I'll fix your body.]]
Chip was put to work with the rest of the humans at a power station, but he quickly came up with a plan. During a diversion engineered by Spike, Chip stowed away on a truck which passed near Autobot Headquarters. There he consulted Teletraan I, only to discover that the Autobot ship had hurtled into the [[Sun]] and exploded. Before he could check up on [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] burst through the ceiling and blasted the computer. Chip furiously turned on the Decepticon, who simply laughed and took him back to the power station. A despondent Chip returned to work, but his trip had inadvertently benefited the Autobots: With Teletraan I's control over Cosmos's guidance systems severed, they were able to return to Earth to confront the Decepticons. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}}

When a group of Autobots, including Optimus Prime, disappeared through a space bridge to unknown coordinates, Chip tried unsuccessfully to use Teletraan I to locate them. {{storylink|Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====Scramble City=====
[[Image:ScrambleCarlyChip01.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Chip can't stand (ha ha) to face the badly drawn Carly.]]
Chip can be seen alongside Spike, Sparkplug and [[Carly]], helping to construct [[Autobot City]]. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====Binaltech=====
When [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl's]] [[laser core]] was lost to [[subspace]] in a [[Genetronic Translink System|GT]] Transfer accident (a technology he himself helped to create), Chip Chase volunteered to sacrifice his very own soul in order to breathe life into the now-lifeless Prowl-2, stating, "Twenty years ago, we met thanks to an online message from you. Your [[battle computer]] was down, and in its place, I—" {{storylink|Roll for It}} while something flashed in the back of his mind: "Your intelligence and personality are already in this frame. In which case..." With the help of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], Chip's consciousness was transported into Prowl's frame. The new entity created in this fusion was virtually indistinguishable from Prowl's old persona, thanks to copies of the original Prowl's [[memory core]] and [[Datatrax]], while a separate neurocomputer handles Chip's thought processes. Meanwhile, Chip's real body was stored in stasis in an [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] medical facility.

{{note|At least one [[Beast Wars Sourcebook|continuity]] had this new spark used for [[Prowl II]], which makes no sense, since Binaltech is separate from [[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]].}}

==Notes==
[[Image:RollForIt Chip Chase banners.jpg|thumb|right|200px|That's a lot of tuition fees!]]
* The idea for Chip's character grew out of very early plans for the series, which involved two human allies for the Autobots named "[[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy|Eddie Fairchild]]" and "[[Eddie Fairchild and Matt Conroy|Matt Conroy]]". Eddie was the prototypical version of Spike, but when the Matt character was conceived as an "elder brother figure" for Eddie, the idea to make the younger boy handicapped, and hence more dependent on the Autobots, was briefly considered. Evidently, this idea went in a slightly different direction and wound up inspiring Chip. [http://tfarchive.com/cartoons/bible/#149]
* Chip was originally named "Billy" Chase, as seen in the original script for "Roll For It".
* In "Roll for It", Chip has a remarkably advanced (or at least ridiculously expensive) desktop computer for 1984. It contains, among other things, a 16-million-color monitor (Chip's view of the Decepticons was no different than Prowl's), a microphone, dial-up networking, speakers, and a sound card that could interpret Prowl's speech. Maybe he's friends with [[Ethan Zachary]].
* Also in "Roll for It", Chip has no fewer than four pennants displayed on his wall: "PIERCE" (probably referring to [[wikipedia:Franklin Pierce University|Franklin Pierce University]]), "[[Wikipedia:University of Southern California|USC]]", "[[wikipedia:California State University, Northridge|CSUN]]" and "YAL", commonly assumed to be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Yale_University|Yale University]].
[[Image:Ark II Chip Chase.jpg|200px|right|thumb|]]
* Chip and [[Carly]] never appeared in the same episode during the entire US run. Coincidence!? '''''Shocking dual identity!?''''' (Or maybe the two of them just can't stand to be in the same room for whatever reason...) The only time they're both seen on screen is near the beginning of "[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]". Blink twice and you'll miss 'em.
*Although he was last seen in "[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]" and was absent through the entirety of the series' [[The Transformers (cartoon)#Season_3|third season]], the producers of the Japanese-exclusive ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' apparently had plans to include an adult version of Chip in that series' first episode. A character design of an adult Chip can be seen in the ''[[Transformers Generations]]'' reference book and ''[[Transformers: The Ark II|The Ark II]]'' Japanese character models book.
* In the [[Transformers The Game (console)|2007 live-action movie console game]], there is a fast food place called [[Chip Chase's]]. The restaurant's logo features Chip's grinning mug. Wonder if the TV ads are as scary as the ones featuring the [[Burger King]].

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Chip Chase''' (チップ・チェイス ''Chippu Cheisu'')

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Carly (G1)

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{{disambig3|Carly}}

:''Carly is a [[human]] [[honorary Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Carly.jpg|right|200px|thumb|MIT graduates make either great ambassadors or fantastic housewives!]]
'''Carly''' is a human ally of the Autobots. She attended [[MIT]] and has a gift for chemistry and electronics. She married [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and eventually gave birth to [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor'': [[Arlene Banas]] (English), [[Gara Takashima]] (Japanese, teenager), [[Kazue Komiya]] (Japanese, adult)

[[Image:Arcade Hahaha.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Spike now knows how Dudley Do-Right feels.]]

Carly first met [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] at the [[Robots Video Arcade]], though she was more interested in the Autobot than Spike, much to his disgust. Sometime later, she encountered [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], who was standing guard during the test of [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]'s [[Wheeljack Instant Immobilizer|Immobilizer]]. She blamed herself for the device's capture by the [[Decepticon]]s, and after Ironhide took her on a tour of Autobot Headquarters, she went on a solo mission to retrieve it and was promptly captured. After Ironhide, Bumblebee and Spike rescued her, she was able to put her MIT studies to use and reverse the Immobilizer's operation, ensuring an Autobot victory. Back at base, she accepted Spike's offer of a date, despite the obvious age difference.<ref>From the show's [[production bible]], [http://transformers.winterchill.com/bible/biblepage8.html page eight]</ref> {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

After a stop at a [[Fun A Rama Park|fun park]], Carly, Spike and Bumblebee picked up [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] at an airport, only to discover the Decepticons were using the location as a [[Hangar|secret base]]. The Dinobots were called in, but became critically injured during the battle. The three humans returned to headquarters, where the Dinobots decided to desert the Autobot cause. When the Autobots themselves later became crippled by the levels of [[Cybertonium]] deteriorating in their systems, Carly realised that the Dinobots would still be functioning, and the trio of humans were able to persuade the Dinobots to help by intercepting a Decepticon shipment of the mineral. Unfortunately [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] instead led his troops to Cybertron, and Carly and Spike were forced to follow them there. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}}

[[Image:DesertionDinobots2 Spike carrying Carly.jpg|right|200px|thumb]]
Carly's technical know-how once again proved useful as she, Spike and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] outwitted [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. She also undid some Decepticon cross-circuiting of the Dinobots, and helped the Dinobots and Spike steal some Cybertonium. She was very impressed with Cybertron's design and layout, and even watched a cybertronic history disc from a neglected machine. Unfortunately, the trip had several drawbacks; among them, Shockwave disintegrated her car (Decepticreep!), and she twisted her ankle. However, after the Cybertonium mission was completed, some good came of it all — [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] gave both Carly and Spike the title of honorary Autobots. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}

[[Image:BlasterBlues Carly Spike in spacesuits.jpg|left|200px|thumb]]
The pair took [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] along with them to a rock concert, however Blaster's transmission of the concert to the other Autobots caused them to miss a distress signal, resulting in the theft of the [[Voltronic Galaxer]]. Carly and Spike started searching the globe in [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], however [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] used the missing device to jam Earth's radio signals. Carly used her technical knowhow to track the signal to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], and she and Spike accompanied Powerglide and Optimus there in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], though the two humans couldn't do much more than be a cheering squad. {{storylink|Blaster Blues}}

Out driving in [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], Spike and Carly stumbled on a film shoot. After Hoist rescued some stuntmen, he was invited to be part of the movie, while Spike and Carly got free passes to the studio. The duo went to watch the filming, and were dismayed as the other Autobots also attempted to get in on the act, but their time was soon occupied in preventing the Decepticons from getting their hands on a film reel. They were chased through the backlot by Megatron, until a cunning ruse by Hoist involving dropping the pair into a vat of "lava" fooled the Decepticons into thinking the film reel had been destroyed. {{storylink|Hoist Goes Hollywood}}

Spike, Carly and Sparkplug got all dressed up to watch [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] get presented with a prestegious award for his invention of [[corrostop]]. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

[[Image:FFOD1 Witwickys under attack.jpg|right|250px|thumb]]
By the year 2006, she and Spike, who had become Earth's ambassador to Cybertron, had married and had a son, [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]]. The family attended the first [[Galactic Olympics]] together, from which Spike was abducted by the [[Quintesson]]s, along with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}

[[Image:G1 Carly Witwicky adult.JPG|left|200px|thumb|Daniel? Daniel? Oh, good, I lost him.]]
The Witwickys attended a diplomatic event on Cybertron, during which Daniel wandered off with Grimlock. It was a while before Carly noticed her son was missing, and insisted on joining in the search. The Autobots followed the trail to a [[Planetary Corridor CB311B4|secret Quintesson room]] with portals leading to prison dimensions. Carly and the Autobots traveled to [[Menonia]] in search of Daniel and Grimlock. Carly was able to find a piece of Daniel's tuxedo and, with the aid of [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] and [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]], tracked down the boy himself. After defeating the Quintesson who'd been exiled to Menonia, the Autobots and the two humans returned to Cybertron. {{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}

When Daniel started having bad dreams, Spike and Carly asked Rodimus to help the boy overcome them. {{storylink|Nightmare Planet}}

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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
{{note|The events of the American animated series occur in Japanese continuity as noted above, except that the events of season three were moved back to 2010. Japanese animated continuity inserts several additional storylines into the timeline.}}
=====Scramble City cartoon=====
[[Image:ScrambleCarlyChip01.jpg|left|thumb]]

In the late 1980s, the Autobots began work on a mobile battle fortress dubbed "[[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]]", and began construction of the massive structure in a subterranean cavern. Carly helped the Autobots work on the project, and was seen twiddling knobs and consulting some paperwork. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}
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=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Kazue Komiya]] (Japanese)

Apparently, doing anything constructive with her degree from MIT wasn't a priority for Carly, as she became strictly a doting housewife by 2011. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Her new duties included: serving coffee, worrying about things, and getting injured so that men could rescue her. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}}

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=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
Carly was strolling the beach with her family and Autobot friends shortly after the defeat of [[Scorponok (G1)|Mega Zarak]]. After [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundblaster]] attacked, Carly was taken hostage by [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]] and [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]] until she was rescued by Daniel. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:DW_Extermination_Witwickyfamily.jpg|thumb|300px|It turned out blondes actually did have more fun.]]

In 2002, Carly was a brunette. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive #1}} She was back to her natural blonde locks when [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] arrived at the Witwicky household to talk to Spike. When Daniel asked who the yellow car was, Carly, not wishing to reveal to her son the family's history with the Transformers, merely replied that it was his father's best friend. {{Storylink|Extermination}}
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==Notes==
* Carly never appeared in any of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]], though she arguably exists within its [[continuity]]. Daniel at least does, and someone has to be his mother.
* Carly and [[Chip Chase]] never appeared in the same episode during the entire US run. Coincidence!? '''''Shocking dual identity!?''''' (Or maybe the two of them just can't stand to be in the same room for whatever reason...) The only time they're both seen on screen is near the beginning of "[[Scramble City: Mobilization]]". Blink twice and you'll miss 'em.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Carly''' (カーリー ''Kārī'')
*''English:'' '''Carey''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)

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Starscream (Animated)

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:''Starscream is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Starscreamanimated.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Special skills: <s>barefist fighting</s> backstabbing, aggressive negotiation, dramatic oratory, self-resurrection, clone production, [[chin]]-stroking.]]
'''Starscream''' is easily as accomplished, powerful and deserving of leadership as [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. At least, that's what he thinks. Power-hungry and driven by jealousy, Starscream operates through three ideals: lying, manipulation and deception. And when all else fails, a bit of sabotage never goes astray. Wise bots are careful about turning their backs on Starscream, just in case it's the day he finally decides to shove in the knife.

Though not as powerful as Megatron (despite what he thinks of himself), Starscream is by no means a wimp. His weapons can demolish large buildings, and he can fly around so fast that he can break free of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet's]] magnetic powers. Unfortunately, all these abilities are offset by an enormous ego and the tendency to make long, overbearing speeches when he should just get on with it and fight. More than once, his leanings towards bombast have caused him to miss a golden opportunity. Sadly, he doesn't seem to be learning from these mistakes.

{{bigquote|Fools! I am Starscream!...Hold your applause! Kneel and worship the TRUE leader of the Decepticons!...assuming I can ever dispose of that accursed Megatron.|Starscream|"[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
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:''Voice actor:'' [[Tom Kenny]] (English), [[Jin Yamanoi]] (Japan), [[Stefan Staudinger]] (German), [[Krzysztof Korzeniowski]] (Polish) [[Daniele Demma]] (Italian), [[Alexis Quiroz]] (Latin American Spanish, season 1 and 2), [[Leonardo Salas]] (Latin American Spanish, season 3)

Starscream was aboard the ''[[Nemesis (Animated)|Nemesis]]'' when it came across an [[Teletran-1|Autobot repair ship]] that appeared to be emitting the energy signature of the fabled [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]]. Starscream's doubt of the AllSpark's very existence and his dismissal of Megatron's millennia-long search did not sit well with [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]], and an argument broke out on the bridge until Megatron himself arrived and all fell silent. Starscream was forced to eat his words when [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] confirmed that the energy coming off the ship was indeed that of the AllSpark, but quickly volunteered to secure it for his leader. Seeing through his lieutenant's greed, Megatron put a dent in Starscream's wing and rose to obtain it for himself. As he was leaving, however, Starscream arrived at the airlock to wish Megatron luck and patted him on the back—planting an overload device on him in the process. As Megatron attacked the Autobot ship, the device overloaded his circuits and caused an explosion that led Starscream to believe that Megatron was no more. In the aftermath of the blast, Starscream got so caught up in his own greatness that he didn't notice that his comrades had left him on the ship, hurtling towards an exploding space bridge.

[[Image:MegsRisingPt1-StarTeeth.jpg|left|150px|thumb|He gained strength and speed and shiny teeth and as the Huntsman was reboo-oorn!]]
Surviving the explosion, Starscream spent the next fifty [[Units of time|solar cycles]] searching for the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] on his own, using the damaged ship as a base (and probably getting a few screws loose in his [[central processor]] in the meantime). Detecting the faint signal of the AllSpark on [[Earth]], Starscream tapped into television broadcasts from the planet and discovered that the Autobot ship had landed there. ''While heading for the planet, Starscream was approached by Blackarachnia, who was also seeking the AllSpark for her own purposes and proposed an alliance. Starscream was unsurprisingly unwilling to share power, and he booted Blackarachnia out into space just before the ship warped away. Starscream was so occupied by the task, however, that he failed to notice Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]] appearing in the ship's path.'' {{storylink|Dispatches}}

One crash-landing later, Starscream abandoned the ruined hulk of the ship and headed down to Earth, immediately drawing the attention of military jets. After a brief dogfight, Starscream scanned one of the jets as an alternate mode in order to continuing searching incognito. The search did not go on long, as Starscream found the Autobots watching a [[Crimson Angels]] air show, and he quickly joined in the proceedings. Upon revealing himself to the Autobots, he quickly thrashed each of them individually. Starscream mocked them, apparently assuming that the Autobots thought ''they'' had really defeated Megatron (whom he referred to as "the great Megatron" without sarcasm, so he seems to have at least a loathing respect for his leader's power). All too boastful of his cunning, Starscream boldly admitted that Megatron was already defeated by the bomb which Starscream himself had put on him. Despite being more powerful than the Autobots, Starscream failed to take the AllSpark, partially because he [[Megatron (BW)|spent too much time gloating]]. [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] grabbed Starscream in midair, and they opened the AllSpark, releasing a massive wave of energy. Optimus was killed by the energy surge and subsequent fall (he got better), while Starscream disappeared. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}}

[[Image:StarscreamProfessorArrivalIssue2.jpg|thumb|Oh, so ''that's'' what happened to Whatisname...]]
''Starscream was hurled into the wilderness by the AllSpark energy surge, where he lay, unconscious and undisturbed, for an unspecified period of time. Eventually, Starscream came back online, only to discover that his body had succumbed to [[stasis lock]], leaving him immobile. As "luck" would have it, it was at this moment that he was happened upon by the villainous [[Professor Princess]], whom Starscream attempted to sweet-talk into triggering his manual reset. She was insistent upon "fixing up" Starscream first, plastering him with makeup and a wig, but when the horrified Starscream screamed at her, she just decided to blast him. Her rainbow-blast jumpstarted Starscream's systems, and he seized the Professor, but before he could reduce her to a pink stain, she threatened to broadcast an image of the prettified Starscream all over the world and perhaps the galaxy. Preferring ''not'' to be hideously embarrassed, Starscream let her live and quickly departed, unaware that she'd worked her fashion magic on his wings, too.'' {{storylink|Whatever Happened To Whatisname?}}

[[Image:Megatron rising 1 Starscream freakout.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Do you have any idea how long I spent preparing that speech!?"]]
Starscream laid low on Earth, until he revealed himself to a badly damaged [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and Lugnut, offering them help in exchange for their loyalty. {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}} After repairing the duo, Starscream continually had to reassert his authority over the two walking malfunctions, who were quick to point out that their service was by threat, not choice. As Lugnut went prostrate with praise, Starscream was initially quite flattered by the hulking Decepticon's obsequity, but quickly learned that the big guy was being manipulated by an outside source. Tracking the transmission, he came to [[Sumdac Tower]] and was quite surprised to find the disembodied head of his former leader. Megatron, aware of Starscream's betrayal after seeing a news report on his earlier battle with the Autobots {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}} but not wanting to tip his hand, greeted Starscream as a "devoted and faithful subject", while Starscream adopted a subservient attitude himself. Beginning the smug monologue to end all smug monologues, he was interrupted by the senseless heroics of the Autobot [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]. Focusing his attentions on the yellow little squirt, he mistakenly assumed that Megatron was helpless, an oversight that allowed the galactic despot to control the lab's machinery and defenestrate the traitor. Even so Starscream remained fixated on Bumblebee, and thus was caught unaware when the repaired form of Megatron burst from the tower roof. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

[[Image:PayThePiper.JPG|150px|thumb|Ghost in three...two...one...]]
Starscream watched with interest, tossing Bumblebee around absentmindedly as Megatron trashed the Autobots. When Megatron called out his loyal Decepticons, Starscream gracefully landed on Lugnut's head, ready to return to his position as second-in-command. Megatron prepared to fire on the Autobots, but quickly lashed out and rammed the [[AllSpark Key]] into Starscream's chest, seemingly offlining the traitor, who then crumpled to the ground. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image:Jagged.JPG|left|150px|thumb|All tied up and ready for ''Kiss Players''.]]
Sometime later, Starscream awoke on a garbage barge, evidently thrown in by an Autobot cleaning up Detroit. He found he couldn't detect any Decepticons, not even himself. Panicking, he wondered if he was dead, but recovered when he realized he was still on Earth. Furious, he managed to track down Lugnut and Blitzwing and to follow them to the Decepticon base. There he challenged Megatron and was soundly sliced, blasted and thrown off a cliff. However, he again revived, except now he had no [[spark]]! Starscream discovered he was being kept alive by an AllSpark fragment embedded in his head. Using this newfound immortality to his advantage, he again attacked Megatron... and again and again and again, each time taking a trouncing and having his corpse thrown off a cliff by Blitzwing and Lugnut. Discovering another fragment, he set up a trap that would draw Megatron out and blow up both him and the city. He embedded the shard in a train engine, and as the overloading machine drew out Megatron, Blitzwing, the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] AND the Earth team, the plan seemed to be working. Unfortunately, the Autobots stopped the train, and Megatron knocked Starscream out of the sky, sending him crashing into the midst of the Autobots. He blasted [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] and took back his fragment, but was put into stasis lock when Optimus slipped [[Stasis cuffs|some cuffs]] on him. He was last seen bound, gagged and being taken onto the [[Steelhaven (Animated)|Elite Guard vessel]]. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}

While in transit on said vessel, Starscream somehow blasted his way out, once again vowing revenge against Megatron. Magnus sent word to Optimus Prime, warning him that Starscream was most likely on his way back to Earth. Megatron, eavesdropping on the conversation, offered a substantial reward for bringing Starscream to him.

To this end, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] ran off by himself to the resting place of the ''Nemesis'' on the Moon, where he ran right into Starscream. Despite getting in behind Prowl, Starscream was rather easily disabled and put in stasis cuffs. While [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] and Prowl battled, Starscream somehow managed to escape.

Lockdown and Prowl agreed to team up, and they tracked down an apparently very scared Starscream, who was captured easily. While Lockdown brought him to Megatron, another Starscream turned up. This Starscream tried to deal with the Autobots, suggesting they team up to deal with their common enemy, Megatron. Prowl disabled him with ease, despite making a total mess.

[[Image:Lotta starscreams.jpg|thumb|Megs is gonna have a field day.]]
Shortly after Lockdown delivered "Starscream" into the hands of Megatron, the Autobots showed with the other Starscream. Confusion ensued, and suddenly both Starscreams exposed internal bombs, and a recording of the real Starscream revealed that his entire plan was to allow the [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones of himself]] to be captured and take out all his enemies in one fell swoop. In his infinite wisdom, however, he apparently programmed the bombs to explode long after everyone had realized what had happened. Prowl sent the clones into the sky, where they exploded without destroying the city.

Afterwards, Megatron increased the bounty on Starscream, this time stipulating that it had to be the ''real'' one. Watching, Starscream cursed Megatron (again) and dismissed his failure, noting he had plenty more clones—an army of them. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}

[[Image:Starscream with Shescream.jpg|thumb|left|Technically, she is my sister, and therefore unable to take me as her lover. After much soul searching, I have reluctantly decided, "What the hell", I just won't tell her.]]
His time alone allowed him to produce five clones of himself, which he empowered with small slivers of the AllSpark fragment in his head, giving them life. He quickly learned that each of the Starscreams was a different aspect of his personality: [[Skywarp (Animated)|cowardice]], [[Thundercracker (Animated)|ego]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|sycophancy]], [[Ramjet (Animated)|deception]], and...[[Slipstream (Animated)|something else]]. He asked the female version of him where she came from, and she said not to ask. Once introductions were done, he ordered them on their merry way to Megatron's base. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}

[[Image:TFA ABTC1 Screamer Clones Emerge.jpg|thumb|There can be only one!]]
Upon reaching the base, the clone army attacked, leading to a free-for-all against Megatron's forces and the Autobots who'd assembled to stop the Decepticon leader's plan. During the fight, Starscream became fed up with his female clone telling him how to handle Megatron, as he'd been working on killing him long before she existed. She was unimpressed with his results to date. Eventually, his team overwhelmed Megatron, allowing two of the clones to subdue him while Starscream prepared to deal the killing blow. Starscream relished the moment, wryly assuring Megatron that he'd tell everyone that he died fighting valiantly—after naming Starscream as his successor. Abruptly, Starscream got head-jacked by [[Isaac Sumdac]] in a [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] unit.

Starscream's inert body fell on top of his head, which put him out of action. Panicking, he told his clones to attack, but was outraged when they all sided with Megatron instead. Starscream's head was then glued to one of the walls by [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]]'s concrete. When he tried to mock Megatron's plan for the conquest of Cybertron, he had his mouth closed by more concrete. Poor Starscream.

[[Image:TFA ABTC2 Megatron Screamer End.jpg|150px|left|thumb|So, Megatron, how've you been?]]
When Megatron's newly activated [[Space bridge]] ran out of power to maintain the portal to Cybertron, Megatron replaced the AllSpark fragment with Starscream's head, which overloaded the power systems. This caused the portal to expand and attempt to suck everything around it into itself. This included Starscream's head and Megatron, the latter of whom was disabled by Autobot stasis cuffs, which prevented him from resisting the space bridge's pull. The overload also caused the space bridge receiving coordinates to be deleted, dumping the pair into empty space. Without a body to manoeuvre, Starscream was forced to look at Megatron, while Megatron, still disabled by the stasis cuffs, suffered a similar problem. A long night of bickering commenced. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}

[[Image:TransWarpedStarscreamsScream.jpg|thumb|200px|How... literal. And disturbingly yonic.]]
Somehow, Starscream managed to manoeuvre his head to begin trying to free Megatron from his stasis cuffs, either by gnawing on them or by picking them with a fragment of asteroid in his mouth. Megatron berated Starscream for his incompetence, whereupon the indignant Decepticon pointed out that this would be much easier if Megatron had reattached his head to his body back on Earth, and that they wouldn't even be here if Megatron hadn't overloaded the Space Bridge. Fuelled with anger, Starscream screamed that this was all Megatron's fault, during which the fragment in his head lit up... and Starscream's face suddenly unfolded into a sonic blaster that smashed Megatron's cuffs.

This was evidently not something from Starscream's original design plans, as he could be heard asking where that had come from once it had fired. Megatron didn't care, though; all that mattered was that he was free now. Starscream was petrified when Omega Supreme chose that moment to float into view, trying to denounce Megatron in order to save his own hide. Fortunately for them both, Omega Supreme was currently offline, giving Megatron an idea. Though Starscream nearly gave the plan away when he was brought inside the awoken giant, Megatron succeeded in installing Starscream's head into the computer to be used as a combination of power source and control mechanism.

[[Image:TransWarpedDigitalStarscream.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Take me to ATARI!]]
Megatron used Omega Supreme to attack the Autobots on Earth, and during the battle, [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] infiltrated Omega, accessed his internal processor, and helped him fight off Megatron's control... only for Starscream to take over instead. He continued fighting the Autobots until Megatron suggested that they just go conquer Cybertron instead. Starscream agreed that it was a good idea, but failed to make Omega transwarp as the giant's old friend [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] swayed his control. Eventually overpowering Omega's mind, Starscream tried flying into space, only for Optimus Prime to plant a [[plasma dynamic thruster]] on his new body, causing it to start warping around randomly in outer space. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

At some point during Starscream and Megatron's warping adventures, Starscream stopped controlling Omega Supreme's body, again reduced to a sarcastic head. After one of the warp jumps, Lugnut suddenly smacked into their windshield and joined their merry group. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}} Removing the plasma dynamic thruster, they traveled into Cybertron airspace, even though Omega Supreme was offline and drained of energy. Starscream advocated that they abandon the hulk before the Autobots picked them off in their helpless state, but Megatron disagreed. After the Decepticon agent [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] obtained Omega's activation codes, they picked him up and transwarped back to Earth's moon, where Starscream noted Lugnut's anger at Megatron complimenting Shockwave. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}

[[Image:TFA-Endgame-MegatronFieldDay.jpg|thumb|Megs has his field day.]]
Goading Lugnut into fighting Shockwave, Starscream used the distraction to roll himself back to his old headquarters, the wrecked ''Nemesis'', where he used a [[protoform]] and one of his many clone bodies to get himself back to 100%. Megatron subsequently destroyed the rest of the lifeless clone bodies, before explaining to Starscream his ultimate plan—creating Decepticon clones of Omega Supreme. When the time came for these clones to imprint upon a leader, Starscream went for a power grab yet again, knocking Megatron down and taking his place. However, he was in turn tackled by the eternally loyal Lugnut, who ended up becoming the template of the three "[[Lugnut Supreme]]s". As Megatron explained that this had been his plan all along, Starscream retorted that the giants would just be lifeless shells without his AllSpark fragment.

[[Image:TFA-Endgame-StarscreamBits.jpg|thumb|left|"It’s incredible! I can feel, I can touch, I’m alive! I can fondle, I can fiddle! Phwooar! I am ali—"]]
Unfortunately for him, Megatron had found three other fragments in Omega Supreme's spark chamber, and deemed Starscream useless before blasting his lower body to smithereens with a fusion cannon shot and leaving him on the surface of the Moon. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}

But this did not destroy the tenacious traitor, and he painstakingly reattached himself to a reassembled lower torso before transforming and flying to Earth. There, he was distracted from his goal of taking revenge on Megatron by a sudden severe pain in his head, which pulled him to Sumdac Towers, where he found Jazz and Prowl using their Processor-Over-Matter skills to reassemble AllSpark fragments. Realising what a threat this posed to him, he opened fire on them in an effort to distract them, but failed. His fragment was torn from his head, and Starscream, his sparkless body no longer fueled by the AllSpark, fell from the air, finally dead.

[[Image:TFAni EndgamePart2 Screamer Offlined.jpg|thumb|The ''seventh'' time's the charm.]]
He did leave behind a nasty post-mortem surprise, however: Upon the disconnection of Lugnut from the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s, a hidden program kicked in, a message from Starscream revealing that each of the Omega clones had been secretly outfitted with a nasty set of concealed explosives, now primed and ready to detonate. Unfortunately for Starscream, his revenge would not come to be. Not only did Omega Supreme destroy one clone while deactivating its explosive, the other was encased in an AllSpark-powered force field and failed to destroy anything...not even Megatron, who took the full force of the blast (albeit he was heavily damaged). {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}
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===Titan Magazines===
[[Image:Starscreamanimated_DinoMIGHT.jpg|right|150px|thumb|"''They're not singing they're not singing they're not singing any morrrre!''"]]

Megatron kept uncovering Starscream's hide-outs, so Starscream took [[Starscream clone (Animated)|his clone army]] and seized control of the Autobots' own base, reasoning the Decepticons would never look for him ''there''. His plan was undone by the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]]. {{storylink|Dino-MIGHT!}}

He later acted as the backer for the supervillain [[Crossroads]], giving him a sliver of Megatron (no, it ''wasn't'' explained how he got it) that completed the man's robot-controlling gauntlets. Starscream didn't care that Crossroads was going to hurt robots, as long as he made sure to turn the city against the Autobots. Boo, hiss! {{storylink|Crossroads!}}

Later still, he appeared out of nowhere to hack into the [[Wraith-X]] stealth bomber and send it off to bomb Detroit to bits, seemingly just for shits and giggles. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Divebomb}} It turned out he'd been let back into the Decepticons for... some reason, joining their massed attack on the Autobot base. Of course, he used that as a way to ensure Megatron had an "accident", and then "saved him"; as a result, Megatron become stupid and believed he could be trusted with temporary command of the Decepticons... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Megatron's Revenge}}

===Animated shorts===
Starscream mocked Megatron during a speech by the latter. {{storylink|Starscream Heckles Megatron}}
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===''The Cool'' comic===

Starscream was part of Megatron's band of Decepticons, chasing down the Autobots who had rediscover the long-lost Allspark. He was visibly frustrated when Megatron along with the Autobots disappeared through a Space Bridge gate. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 3}}

Leading [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]], Starscream lead the Decepticons in an attack on [[Detroit]] against the Autobots. Clashing directly with [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], Starscream's ultimate goal was to seize the [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]]. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 1}}

[[Image:TheCoolStarscreamDeath01.jpg|200px|thumb|left|So was this supposed to be ''funny'' or ''horrifying''?]]

Starscream ultimately succeeded, snatching the AllSpark out of [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]'s hands. He announced to the stunned Autobots that he had destroyed [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] with his own hands and would now use the power of the AllSpark to cull the weak from the universe. Optimus Prime had other ideas, however, and falling down from the sky in vehicle mode, transformed to robot mode and grabbed one side of the AllSpark. Refusing to let Starscream use its power for evil, Prime opened the AllSpark, unleashing all its energy. Starscream took the energy square to the face, apparently getting vaporized. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 2}}

Starscream survived the blast and was present fighting [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] at [[Sumdac Systems]] headquarters when Megatron was reborn. Annoyed, Starscream declared he'd make the most of it and attempted to brown-nose up to his old boss. Megatron was aware of his previous attempt to assassinate him, however, and promptly tore a hole through his torso, killing him. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 5}}

Having survived his apparent "death", Starscream proceeded to create a pair of clones ([[Clone number 3370318|Clone #3370318]] and [[Clone number 2716057|Clone #2716057]]), rigged them with explosives and devised a convoluted plot to use them to destroy Megatron. When the plan failed due to Autobot interference, Starscream registered his annoyance, but calmly promised that there was more to come from his [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Clone Army]]. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 6}}

More indeed, as Starscream lead his Clone Army into battle to seize the Decepticon [[space bridge#Animated cartoon|Space Bridge]]. Starscream was shocked at the sight of Megatron and Optimus Prime fighting side by side against him, and was then infuriated when Megatron proceeded to regard his troops as little more than an annoyance and laughed at Starscream's aspirations of universal conquest.{{storylink|The Cool Episode 7}}

At some point, Starscream had his head severed by [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] and a [[Headmaster unit]]. Clutching Starscream's whimpering noggin, Megatron proceeded to mock his ambitions of universal conquest, then ordered [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] to install Starscream into the Space Bridge in order to power the device. Starscream screamed in horror as the Space Bridge activated, but the power of his [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] fragment proved too much and caused the Space Bridge to overload.{{storylink|The Cool Episode 8}}

Luckily, Starscream found himself warped through the Space Bridge to the same coordinates as [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] and Megatron. Unluckily, Megatron decided to power the deactivated Omega with Starscream's [[spark]]. ''Luckily'', this proved fortuitous, as the link allowed Starscream to sieze control of Omega's systems. Clutching and taunting Megatron, Starscream returned to Earth for revenge against the Autobots. Megatron and Optimus were forced to join forces to defeat him. Megatron plunged his sword into the main chip of Starscream's link system, then ordered Optimus to incinerate it. Optimus did so with the "[[Magnus Hammer|Magnus Hammer Thunder Attack]]", deactivating Omega Supreme. Optimus then ordered [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] to find whatever traces of Starscream were left in Omega and remove them. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 9}}

Starscream's head had landed in a pile of debris which, unfortunately for him, happened to be located right next to Megatron's missing fusion cannon. Plucking up the cannon and Starscream, Megatron powered his cannon with Starscream's head and AllSpark fragment, creating a blast powerful enough to blow Optimus Prime to pieces. Prime survived, however, and the AllSpark fragment leapt from Starscream's forehead and into Prime's hand, empowering him with awesome energy. The loss of the AllSpark fragment, however, killed Starscream. {{storylink|The Cool Episode Final}}

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==Toys==
===Animated===
[[Image:TFAnimated Voyager Starscream toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What? Decepticon sigil not upside down? HERESY! HERESYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!]]
*'''Starscream''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TA-07'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles

: Starscream transforms into a futuristic, forward-swept wing jet fighter based upon the [http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/s37/ Su-47 (S-37) Berkut Experimental Fighter] and the [http://www.mahq.net/MECHA/macross/plus/yf-19.htm YF-19 "Alpha One"] from the series ''[[wikipedia:Macross_Plus|Macross Plus]]''.

: His twin "sonic shock blaster" spring-loaded missile launchers can slide forward, opening panels on his forearms (referred to as blasters on the packaging). Landing gear in his vehicle mode flip down from his undercarriage, and his blasters flip forward or back for a "hidden" attack. He also features two [[automorph]] gimmicks. When his nose cone is pushed in, his undercarriage folds into his hips. Folding his shoulders down also pushes up his head. Though not really an "automorph", with the arms and legs out of the way, his spring loaded wings fold down by themselves. His arms are also ''just'' poseable enough to stroke that enormous chin.

:His missiles have tiny shark faces molded into them.

:The [[TakaraTomy]] release of the figure uses a bright shade of blue for both wings and canopy.

:As with [[Seeker (body-type)|past incarnations]], Starscream was [[Redeco|redecoed]] as [[Skywarp (Animated)|''Animated'' Skywarp]], [[Sunstorm (Animated)|''Animated'' Sunstorm]], and [[Thundercracker (Animated)|''Animated'' Thundercracker]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Starscream/starscream.htm More information on Voyager Starscream at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Activatorsstarscream.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I shall call him Screamer and he shall be mine and he shall be my Screamer. Come here, Screamer!]]
*'''Starscream''' (Activators, 2008)

: A smaller, simpler version of Starscream, the Activators Starscream toy has a spring-loaded autotransform gimmick that springs him from Harrier jet mode to robot mode in one easy step, although robot to Harrier jet mode is still that good old manual click-it-up yourself transformation, giving you the best of both worlds.

: Activators Starscream greatly resembles Voyager Starscream, especially when compared to several other Activators and their respective larger toys, with the only discernible difference between Activators and Voyager Starscream is that Activator Starscream's wings sit lower on his back. Most notably, this toy possesses more show-accurate weapons than its Voyager counterpart, due to the lack of a launching mechanism.

: This mold was also used to make ''Animated'' [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]], [[Dirge (Animated)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]] and [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/ActStarscream/starscream.htm More information on Activators Starscream at TFU.info]''

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*'''Starscream''' (McDonald's Happy Meal Toy, 2008)

:A simple version of Starscream with a very simple transformation sequence. A tad unique among the McDonald's ''Animated'' toys, he has given up a toy accurate vehicle mode for a toy accurate robot mode. You transform him by splitting the front of the jet to form the legs, snapping up the feet, lowering the rear wings and rotating his head. His robot mode, save for the fact the wings are pointing the wrong direction and that he is missing his guns, is decently [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]], but his vehicle mode totally sucks. Plain and simple.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/McStarscream/starscream.htm More information on McDonald's Starscream at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:Legends animated starscream purpledeco.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The Decepticon formerly-known-as-Starscream.]]
*'''Rescue Ratchet''' (Animated 3-pack, 2008)

: A Legends-class Starscream came packaged with this [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] version of Deluxe-class [[Ratchet (Animated)#Rescue|Ratchet]], as well as a Legends [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]. He features a purplier, sparkly base plastic and fewer paint applications, particularly on the head.

:This mold was also used to make [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] Clear Blue Version, [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] Clear Purple Version, [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] Clear Orange Version, [[Ramjet (Animated)|Ramjet]] Clear White Version, and [[Starscream Clone Black Version]]

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/AniLegendsStarscream/starscream.htm More information on Legends Starscream at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:AniLegendsStarscreamClearPurple.jpg|250px|thumb]]
*'''Starscream Clear Purple Version''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

:A redeco of Legends Starscream in mostly translucent purple with some parts, such as his wings, in opaque lavender. He was only available at [[JUSCO]] stores in Japan (but not at ones in their [[wikipedia:Ryukyu Islands|Ryukyu]] branch), given away for free to customers who purchased Voyager-class [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] or [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]].

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*'''EZ Collection Limited Clear Version''' (EZ Collection, 2010)

:The "EZ Collection Limited Clear Version" set included a redeco of Legends Starscream in mostly translucent purple with opaque purple parts, such as his wings. The set was given away at Family Mart stores in Japan as part of their raffle token promotion. Unlike Starscream Clear Purple Version, this version of Starscream is painted to resemble his normal coloration, only clear. The "EZ Collection Limited Clear Version" set was prize D, and included four different translucent EZ Collection figures, the other three being Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, and Prowl.

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===Universe (2008)===
[[Image:Universe2008-toy LegendsAniStarscream.JPG|right|250px|thumb|And yet, his ego remains as big as ever.]]
*'''Starscream''' (Legends, 2008)

:Legends-class Starscream transforms surprisingly similarly to his larger counterparts. He is notable for being the only version of the character to have his weapons mounted correctly on his upper arms, rather than his lower arms (though this is largely because he completely lacks elbows). However, as with his past versions, he is again not gray, but apparently a shade of blue.

:This figure was redecoed in the Animated line, in a Target exclusive [[Starscream (Animated)#RescueRatchet|three-pack]] with Rescue Ratchet and Prowl.

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==Notes==
*In a podcasted audio interview, [[Marty Isenberg]] revealed that he originally wanted to play Starscream's name ironically — he wanted the character to have a quiet, whispery tone, as he '''really''' didn't like the screechy voice of [[Starscream (G1)|the original Starscream]] (though, at the same time, he pointed out that he has nothing against [[Chris Latta|his actor]]). [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] argued against this idea, and Tom Kenny's reading finally won Marty over.
* Though he never ''truly'' took out Megatron, this Starscream may be the most successful to bear the name to date.
* There is some confusion as to precisely what weapons Starscream has. According to the Decepticon character descriptions sent out in the initial [[Cartoon Network]] press release for ''Transformers Animated'', Starscream "can affect a sonic scream and produce powerful blasts of sound that can send enemies spinning through the atmosphere". His toy packaging declares that he has "twin sonic shock blasters" rather than the [[null-ray]]s of his Generation 1 counterpart, while a bio on the [[Hasbro]] website declares that ''Animated'' Starscream '''does''' have null-rays... while otherwise being a direct copy of the press release text, which doesn't mention them anywhere. What is unquestionably Starscream's "sonic scream" appears in the third season episode "TransWarped", apparently a modification created by the AllSpark fragment in his head. Similarly, in the same episode, Blurr tells [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]] and [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]] to use alternating sonic pulses to destabilise the concrete the trio are trapped in. This could point to Starscream's arm-mounted cannons being sonic shock blasters, as he was addressing Skywarp, but also could be a reference to Generation 1 [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and his ability to create sonic booms.
*Several times in the series, Starscream's alt-mode is called a "harrier jet". In the real world, this term actually refers to just one specific jet type — the [[United Kingdom|British]]-designed V/STOL-capable [[wikipedia:Harrier_Jump_Jet|Harrier Jump Jet]] — which very clearly is not Starscream's altmode. Then again, the series is set about 100 years in the future, so perhaps the jet designs or terminology could have changed.
*Originally, Starscream was to be revived once again near the end of "[[Endgame, Part II]]", courtesy of [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]] and another AllSpark fragment. This scene was cut for time, but was shown in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' in storyboard format.
*Starscream holds the unique distinction of writing his own character profile in the first ''AllSpark Almanac''.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Starscream''' (スタースクリーム ''Sutāsukurīmu'')
*''Russian:'' '''Skandalist''' (Скандалист, "Troublemaker")

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User:Homey

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[[Image:Homey.jpg|thumb|300px|Slaggin' Computer. Made me look fat.]]
Wazzup! I'm a nerd(though, it's probably not a good idea to say it to my face) I LOVE everything Tf and I'm here to...er...edit n stuff.
I'm a soldier on the team the Peacebringers, on Battle for the Allspark. Until they had to [[Battle for the Allspark v2|screw it up]].

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