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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Wheeljack_(Prime)&amp;diff=588083</id>
		<title>Talk:Wheeljack (Prime)</title>
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		<updated>2011-05-23T01:16:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;REMOVED DUE TO SPOILERS--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 21:52, 25 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Removing it is too late.  The point isn&#039;t that there&#039;s spoilers on this page, but that they were in your edit comments, which are created automatically when creating this page.  Going back and changing your comment doesn&#039;t solve the problem -- we can&#039;t see that on the recent changes page.&lt;br /&gt;
::(That said, coming to the wiki within a few hours of a new episode and expecting to look through the Recent Changes page spoiler-free is not terribly realistic.  Yes, I alter my editing habits to avoid spoilers, but that&#039;s just out of my own courtesy.  I don&#039;t think we can realistically police this sort of thing.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 26 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, hey, a giant spoiler right on the Recent Changes. Yes, it&#039;s Wheeljack, just after he comes through the ground bridge from the Decepticon ship and tells the Autobots to shut the bridge off. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:18, 25 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
So I can&#039;t be the only one that immediately thought &#039;Drift&#039; when I saw him, can I? {{unsigned|75.73.70.113}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Yes.  Yes, you are.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:54, 28 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I respectfully disagree. I, as well as a couple of other people on boards I frequent had a similar thought. &amp;quot;Slicing and dicing white sports car&amp;quot; was about all that was agreed on, though. :P [[Special:Contributions/72.35.60.2|72.35.60.2]] 11:00, 28 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Obviously anon 75.73.70.113 is your time traveling future self.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:20, 5 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== XANA ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d just like to note that the phrase &amp;quot;seems quite reminiscent&amp;quot; was copied straight from [[Airachnid]]&#039;s equally coincidental similarity to an unrelated concept. I did so because I&#039;m not so good at wording things sometimes.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 00:26, 28 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Argh, it sucks there, too!  Thanks for pointing that out.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:43, 28 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ship/AltMode==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hey, not logged in for a while. Just wondering, is it worth mentioning how his Ship seems to have some bits made to look like his G1 Counterpart&#039;s Alt Mode? EG, it has a spoiler, and when seen from the side a couple times, it &amp;quot;looks&amp;quot; like it has car wheels. Or is this just my imagination. Could well be, considering how I thought there was an end shot of it flying off, but reallt the end shot is the Mobile Photo. --[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] (Sorry, forgotten how to do the auto Sig)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=User:Shadow_Mask_Prime&amp;diff=588082</id>
		<title>User:Shadow Mask Prime</title>
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		<updated>2011-05-23T01:16:24Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: New page: Really just a test... Watcher of Anime, Player of games, collector of toys.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Really just a test...&lt;br /&gt;
Watcher of Anime, Player of games, collector of toys.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Wheeljack_(Prime)&amp;diff=588079</id>
		<title>Talk:Wheeljack (Prime)</title>
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		<updated>2011-05-23T01:14:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;REMOVED DUE TO SPOILERS--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 21:52, 25 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Removing it is too late.  The point isn&#039;t that there&#039;s spoilers on this page, but that they were in your edit comments, which are created automatically when creating this page.  Going back and changing your comment doesn&#039;t solve the problem -- we can&#039;t see that on the recent changes page.&lt;br /&gt;
::(That said, coming to the wiki within a few hours of a new episode and expecting to look through the Recent Changes page spoiler-free is not terribly realistic.  Yes, I alter my editing habits to avoid spoilers, but that&#039;s just out of my own courtesy.  I don&#039;t think we can realistically police this sort of thing.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 26 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, hey, a giant spoiler right on the Recent Changes. Yes, it&#039;s Wheeljack, just after he comes through the ground bridge from the Decepticon ship and tells the Autobots to shut the bridge off. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:18, 25 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
So I can&#039;t be the only one that immediately thought &#039;Drift&#039; when I saw him, can I? {{unsigned|75.73.70.113}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Yes.  Yes, you are.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:54, 28 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I respectfully disagree. I, as well as a couple of other people on boards I frequent had a similar thought. &amp;quot;Slicing and dicing white sports car&amp;quot; was about all that was agreed on, though. :P [[Special:Contributions/72.35.60.2|72.35.60.2]] 11:00, 28 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Obviously anon 75.73.70.113 is your time traveling future self.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:20, 5 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== XANA ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d just like to note that the phrase &amp;quot;seems quite reminiscent&amp;quot; was copied straight from [[Airachnid]]&#039;s equally coincidental similarity to an unrelated concept. I did so because I&#039;m not so good at wording things sometimes.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 00:26, 28 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Argh, it sucks there, too!  Thanks for pointing that out.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:43, 28 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ship/AltMode==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hey, not logged in for a while. Just wondering, is it worth mentioning how his Ship seems to have some bits made to look like his G1 Counterpart&#039;s Alt Mode? EG, it has a spoiler, and when seen from the side a couple times, it &amp;quot;looks&amp;quot; like it has car wheels. Or is this just my imagination. Could well be, considering how I thought there was an end shot of it flying off, but reallt the end shot is the Mobile Photo. --[[User:Shadow_Mask_Prime|Shadow_Mask_Prime]] (Sorry, forgotten how to do the auto Sig)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Wheeljack_(Prime)&amp;diff=588078</id>
		<title>Talk:Wheeljack (Prime)</title>
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		<updated>2011-05-23T01:08:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;REMOVED DUE TO SPOILERS--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 21:52, 25 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Removing it is too late.  The point isn&#039;t that there&#039;s spoilers on this page, but that they were in your edit comments, which are created automatically when creating this page.  Going back and changing your comment doesn&#039;t solve the problem -- we can&#039;t see that on the recent changes page.&lt;br /&gt;
::(That said, coming to the wiki within a few hours of a new episode and expecting to look through the Recent Changes page spoiler-free is not terribly realistic.  Yes, I alter my editing habits to avoid spoilers, but that&#039;s just out of my own courtesy.  I don&#039;t think we can realistically police this sort of thing.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 26 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh, hey, a giant spoiler right on the Recent Changes. Yes, it&#039;s Wheeljack, just after he comes through the ground bridge from the Decepticon ship and tells the Autobots to shut the bridge off. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:18, 25 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
----&lt;br /&gt;
So I can&#039;t be the only one that immediately thought &#039;Drift&#039; when I saw him, can I? {{unsigned|75.73.70.113}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Yes.  Yes, you are.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:54, 28 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: I respectfully disagree. I, as well as a couple of other people on boards I frequent had a similar thought. &amp;quot;Slicing and dicing white sports car&amp;quot; was about all that was agreed on, though. :P [[Special:Contributions/72.35.60.2|72.35.60.2]] 11:00, 28 February 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Obviously anon 75.73.70.113 is your time traveling future self.  --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:20, 5 March 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== XANA ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d just like to note that the phrase &amp;quot;seems quite reminiscent&amp;quot; was copied straight from [[Airachnid]]&#039;s equally coincidental similarity to an unrelated concept. I did so because I&#039;m not so good at wording things sometimes.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 00:26, 28 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Argh, it sucks there, too!  Thanks for pointing that out.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:43, 28 April 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Ship/AltMode==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hey, not logged in for a while. Just wondering, is it worth mentioning how his Ship seems to have some bits made to look like his G1 Counterpart&#039;s Alt Mode? EG, it has a spoiler, and when seen from the side a couple times, it &amp;quot;looks&amp;quot; like it has car wheels. Or is this just my imagination. Could well be, considering how I thought there was an end shot of it flying off, but reallt the end shot is the Mobile Photo. --&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Prisoner of War!</title>
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		<updated>2010-01-05T17:06:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Items of note */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (US)]] #3&lt;br /&gt;
|prev=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|title=Prisoner of War!&lt;br /&gt;
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (UK)]] #5–6&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date=[[October 2]], 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|coverdate=January 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]&lt;br /&gt;
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]&lt;br /&gt;
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Jim Esposito]]&lt;br /&gt;
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]&lt;br /&gt;
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] &amp;amp; Others&lt;br /&gt;
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it&#039;s up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream&#039;s loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he&#039;s forcefully persuaded. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]&#039; HQ.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug&#039;s fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to use his alter ego Spider-Man in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he&#039;s a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the &#039;Cons and the &#039;Bots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron&#039;s nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears&#039; weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain&#039;t so!&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jesse]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[&amp;quot;O&amp;quot;]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he&#039;s got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame.  Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]])  The silhouettes behind Optimus don&#039;t match anyone from the Autobot ranks.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs.  They should all be white.  For the rest of Ratchet&#039;s appearances in this issue, he&#039;s colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons.  Next issue will reveal that he&#039;s still buried in rock at this point.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 11: Skywarp&#039;s jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins.  When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow.  In the next panel, Cliffjumper&#039;s head is colored yellow instead of red.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man.  It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 17: Gears&#039; legs can&#039;t seem to decide what color they are.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave.  Amusingly, the thought bubbles &#039;&#039;almost&#039;&#039; work for Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes.  Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 22:&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes. &lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green.  Ratchet&#039;s repair bay is colored red instead of white.&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 5: Optimus&#039;s head is &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039;!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Items of note==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Cameos:&#039;&#039;&#039; Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertised as part 3 in a 4-issue limited series.&lt;br /&gt;
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.&lt;br /&gt;
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.&lt;br /&gt;
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ratchet&#039;s [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks!  Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.&lt;br /&gt;
* In &amp;quot;[[Man and Machine, Part Four]]&amp;quot;, when Spider-Man web-swings off Megatron, the scene is said to be directly inspired by the cover for this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the Wolverine from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] series appear repeatedly.&lt;br /&gt;
* When [[IDW]] released the Original Transformer comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comic was missing from the Listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be? Maybe Peter Parker can tell me?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===References===&lt;br /&gt;
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote). &lt;br /&gt;
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===Covers (4)===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3&#039;&#039;&#039; - A moralistic tale for the ages.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5&#039;&#039;&#039; - I&#039;m glad my pants are already brown!&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6&#039;&#039;&#039; - The UK needs more RED.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; reuse of art from U.S. issue&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Reuse of US issue #4&#039;s cover.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Advertisements===&lt;br /&gt;
* None yet identified&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Marvel US issues]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=DIS-Integrated_Circuits!&amp;diff=412536</id>
		<title>DIS-Integrated Circuits!</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Items of note */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (US)]] #9&lt;br /&gt;
|prev=Repeat Performance!&lt;br /&gt;
|next=The Next Best Thing to Being There!&lt;br /&gt;
|title=&amp;quot;DIS-Integrated Circuits!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (UK)]] #33–34&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=The Wrath of Grimlock!&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Next Best Thing to Being There!&lt;br /&gt;
|image=MarvelUS-09.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=Decepticon sexual harassment violates you. And it violates the law.&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date=June 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|coverdate=October 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|writer=[[Bob Budiansky]]&lt;br /&gt;
|penciler=[[Mike Manley]]&lt;br /&gt;
|inks=&amp;quot;[[M. Hands]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|colors=[[Nelson Yomtov|Nel Yomtov]]&lt;br /&gt;
|letters=[[Rick Parker]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;The Autobots, now restored, strike a deal with G.B. Blackrock.  But one of his former employees has other plans.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
G.B. Blackrock, driving practice laps on a race track, is interrupted by an army officer, who expresses concern over Blackrock&#039;s plans to unveil a new weapon designed to destroy the Transformers.  Blackrock shrugs him off, and goes to visit Josie Beller in her hospital room to update her on the situation. She, in turn, shows Blackrock some technology she&#039;s been working on from her hospital bed, causing Blackrock to worry that she may put herself in another dangerous situation in her desire for revenge against the robots who crippled her.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
These fears are warranted when Josie escapes from her hospital room, and shows up in Blackrock&#039;s office that night, revealing herself as Circuit Breaker, wearing a metal suit designed to compensate for her damaged nervous system and granting her offensive capability against any mechanical form.  Blackrock orders her to forget the whole thing and get back to the hospital; Circuit Breaker ignores him and says she&#039;s going to do what she has to.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Autobot|Autobots]] have been revived after their imprisonment aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], with Prowl in command.  They seek a new solution to their fuel shortage, and Jazz takes Wheeljack and goes to strike a deal with G.B. Blackrock.  Kidnapping the billionaire, Jazz offers to provide him with protection from the [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] in exchange for fuel.  After a few confused moments, Blackrock agrees.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream is feeling mutinous after receiving word that the Autobots are online again and that Megatron has disappeared.  Shockwave sends him and Frenzy to destroy Blackrock&#039;s weapon, allowing them to blow off some steam.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sparkplug Witwicky&#039;s customers are also feeling mutinous, as Buster can only offer fumbling excuses and delays while his father remains in the hospital.  Despite tinkering with the automobiles in for repairs, it&#039;s all a mystery to him.  But another headache-seizure grips him, and in a flash, everything becomes clear -- the structure, the problem, everything.  Buster repairs an engine block with merely a thought.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Later that day, the unveiling of Blackrock&#039;s secret weapon is sabotaged by Circuit Breaker, in an effort to get him to announce &#039;&#039;&#039;her&#039;&#039;&#039; as his intended weapon. The Decepticons attack just then.  Jazz and Wheeljack transform, intending to make good on their promise to provide Blackrock with protection; but Circuit Breaker, unable to discern between Autobot and Decepticon, severely injures Wheeljack.  Between her and Jazz, the Decepticons are driven off, though Jazz is damaged.  Although Circuit Breaker spares Jazz at Blackrock&#039;s pleading, she destroys his weapon, and severs her ties with him.  Blackrock fears she is the only one to have truly lost the day&#039;s battle...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Regulars&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[G.B. Blackrock]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Circuit Breaker]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Guests&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Chuck (G1)|Chuck]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ames]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[General Capshaw]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
* On the cover, Starscream appears to be wearing some kind of funny hat, possibly a misinterpretation of the toy-form jet nosecone behind his head.&lt;br /&gt;
* Sloppy coloring of some Autobots on page 4.&lt;br /&gt;
* On page 5, Optimus Prime&#039;s headless body is colored white instead of red, and no, it&#039;s not [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].  Also, Ratchet speaks as if he&#039;s in command of the Autobots.  This was likely meant to have been said by Prowl, who started the sentence.&lt;br /&gt;
* Buzzsaw is miscolored as [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] in 2 panels on pages 6 and 7.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Items of note==&lt;br /&gt;
* Jazz likes [[Madonna]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Blackrock seems to grow and shave off his mustache every other issue.&lt;br /&gt;
* &amp;quot;[[M. Hands]]&amp;quot;, the supposed inker of the issue, doesn&#039;t exist. It&#039;s a pseudonym (&amp;quot;Many Hands&amp;quot;) used to cover multiple inkers working on a rush-job.&lt;br /&gt;
* When [[IDW]] released the Original Transformers comics to the Digital Comics Service on the PSP, along with #3, this comics is also missing from the listings, due to Marvel owning the Circuit Breaker character. Unfortunately, there do not appear to be text summaries for these comics, like IDW do with their [[Classic Transformers]] collections.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===References===&lt;br /&gt;
* In a panel at the bottom of page 4, all of the Autobots are shown finishing their performance examinations.  However, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] is absent from this group.  He was apparently destroyed by Shockwave in &amp;quot;[[The New Order]]&amp;quot;.  In fact, he is seen badly damaged in the next issue.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Covers (3)===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUS-09.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #9&#039;&#039;&#039; - Thanks Marvel. &#039;&#039;Thanks&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-33.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #33&#039;&#039;&#039; - Introducing: DAVID BOWIE&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-34.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #34&#039;&#039;&#039; - Starscream has a really sweet cycling helmet&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;US cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Circuit Breaker and Starscream, by [[Mike Manley]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #33 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Circuit Breaker, Wheeljack and Frenzy, by [[John Higgins]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #34 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; reuse of art from US cover, modified to fit the UK aspect ratio. Note that this means we don&#039;t get to see Circuit Breaker&#039;s... erm... crotch shot.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
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		<title>Prisoner of War!</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Items of note */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (US)]] #3&lt;br /&gt;
|prev=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|title=Prisoner of War!&lt;br /&gt;
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (UK)]] #5–6&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date=[[October 2]], 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|coverdate=January 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]&lt;br /&gt;
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]&lt;br /&gt;
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Jim Esposito]]&lt;br /&gt;
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]&lt;br /&gt;
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] &amp;amp; Others&lt;br /&gt;
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it&#039;s up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream&#039;s loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he&#039;s forcefully persuaded. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]&#039; HQ.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug&#039;s fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to use his alter ego Spider-Man in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he&#039;s a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the &#039;Cons and the &#039;Bots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron&#039;s nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears&#039; weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain&#039;t so!&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jesse]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[&amp;quot;O&amp;quot;]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he&#039;s got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame.  Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]])  The silhouettes behind Optimus don&#039;t match anyone from the Autobot ranks.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs.  They should all be white.  For the rest of Ratchet&#039;s appearances in this issue, he&#039;s colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons.  Next issue will reveal that he&#039;s still buried in rock at this point.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 11: Skywarp&#039;s jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins.  When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow.  In the next panel, Cliffjumper&#039;s head is colored yellow instead of red.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man.  It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 17: Gears&#039; legs can&#039;t seem to decide what color they are.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave.  Amusingly, the thought bubbles &#039;&#039;almost&#039;&#039; work for Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes.  Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 22:&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes. &lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green.  Ratchet&#039;s repair bay is colored red instead of white.&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 5: Optimus&#039;s head is &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039;!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Items of note==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Cameos:&#039;&#039;&#039; Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertised as part 3 in a 4-issue limited series.&lt;br /&gt;
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.&lt;br /&gt;
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.&lt;br /&gt;
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ratchet&#039;s [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks!  Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.&lt;br /&gt;
* In &amp;quot;[[Man and Machine, Part Four]]&amp;quot;, when Spider-Man web-swings off Megatron, the scene is said to be directly inspired by the cover for this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the Wolverine from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] series appear repeatedly.&lt;br /&gt;
* When IDW released the Original Transformer comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comic was missing from the Listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be? Maybe Peter Parker can tell me?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===References===&lt;br /&gt;
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Covers (4)===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3&#039;&#039;&#039; - A moralistic tale for the ages.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5&#039;&#039;&#039; - I&#039;m glad my pants are already brown!&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6&#039;&#039;&#039; - The UK needs more RED.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; reuse of art from U.S. issue&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Reuse of US issue #4&#039;s cover.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Advertisements===&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Prisoner of War!</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Items of note */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (US)]] #3&lt;br /&gt;
|prev=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|title=Prisoner of War!&lt;br /&gt;
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (UK)]] #5–6&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date=[[October 2]], 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|coverdate=January 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]&lt;br /&gt;
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]&lt;br /&gt;
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Jim Esposito]]&lt;br /&gt;
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]&lt;br /&gt;
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] &amp;amp; Others&lt;br /&gt;
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it&#039;s up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream&#039;s loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he&#039;s forcefully persuaded. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]&#039; HQ.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug&#039;s fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to use his alter ego Spider-Man in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he&#039;s a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the &#039;Cons and the &#039;Bots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron&#039;s nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears&#039; weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain&#039;t so!&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jesse]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[&amp;quot;O&amp;quot;]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he&#039;s got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame.  Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]])  The silhouettes behind Optimus don&#039;t match anyone from the Autobot ranks.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs.  They should all be white.  For the rest of Ratchet&#039;s appearances in this issue, he&#039;s colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons.  Next issue will reveal that he&#039;s still buried in rock at this point.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 11: Skywarp&#039;s jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins.  When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow.  In the next panel, Cliffjumper&#039;s head is colored yellow instead of red.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man.  It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 17: Gears&#039; legs can&#039;t seem to decide what color they are.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave.  Amusingly, the thought bubbles &#039;&#039;almost&#039;&#039; work for Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes.  Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 22:&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes. &lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green.  Ratchet&#039;s repair bay is colored red instead of white.&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 5: Optimus&#039;s head is &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039;!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Items of note==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Cameos:&#039;&#039;&#039; Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertised as part 3 in a 4-issue limited series.&lt;br /&gt;
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.&lt;br /&gt;
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.&lt;br /&gt;
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ratchet&#039;s [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks!  Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.&lt;br /&gt;
* In &amp;quot;[[Man and Machine, Part Four]]&amp;quot;, when Spider-Man web-swings off Megatron, the scene is said to be directly inspired by the cover for this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the Wolverine from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] series appear repeatedly.&lt;br /&gt;
* When IDW released the Original Transformer comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comic was missing from the Listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be? Myabe Peter Parker can tell me?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===References===&lt;br /&gt;
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Covers (4)===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3&#039;&#039;&#039; - A moralistic tale for the ages.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5&#039;&#039;&#039; - I&#039;m glad my pants are already brown!&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6&#039;&#039;&#039; - The UK needs more RED.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; reuse of art from U.S. issue&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Reuse of US issue #4&#039;s cover.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Advertisements===&lt;br /&gt;
* None yet identified&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel US issues]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Prisoner_of_War!&amp;diff=412530</id>
		<title>Prisoner of War!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Prisoner_of_War!&amp;diff=412530"/>
		<updated>2010-01-05T16:58:19Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Items of note */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (US)]] #3&lt;br /&gt;
|prev=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|title=Prisoner of War!&lt;br /&gt;
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (UK)]] #5–6&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date=[[October 2]], 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|coverdate=January 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]&lt;br /&gt;
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]&lt;br /&gt;
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Jim Esposito]]&lt;br /&gt;
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]&lt;br /&gt;
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] &amp;amp; Others&lt;br /&gt;
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it&#039;s up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream&#039;s loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he&#039;s forcefully persuaded. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]&#039; HQ.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug&#039;s fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to use his alter ego Spider-Man in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he&#039;s a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the &#039;Cons and the &#039;Bots.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron&#039;s nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears&#039; weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain&#039;t so!&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
|c1=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jesse]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[&amp;quot;O&amp;quot;]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he&#039;s got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame.  Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]])  The silhouettes behind Optimus don&#039;t match anyone from the Autobot ranks.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs.  They should all be white.  For the rest of Ratchet&#039;s appearances in this issue, he&#039;s colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons.  Next issue will reveal that he&#039;s still buried in rock at this point.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 11: Skywarp&#039;s jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins.  When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow.  In the next panel, Cliffjumper&#039;s head is colored yellow instead of red.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man.  It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 17: Gears&#039; legs can&#039;t seem to decide what color they are.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave.  Amusingly, the thought bubbles &#039;&#039;almost&#039;&#039; work for Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes.  Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 22:&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes. &lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green.  Ratchet&#039;s repair bay is colored red instead of white.&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 5: Optimus&#039;s head is &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039;!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Items of note==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Cameos:&#039;&#039;&#039; Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertised as part 3 in a 4-issue limited series.&lt;br /&gt;
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.&lt;br /&gt;
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.&lt;br /&gt;
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ratchet&#039;s [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks!  Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.&lt;br /&gt;
* In &amp;quot;[[Man and Machine, Part Four]]&amp;quot;, when Spider-Man web-swings off Megatron, the scene is said to be directly inspired by the cover for this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the Wolverine from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] series appear repeatedly.&lt;br /&gt;
* When IDW released the Original Transformer comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comic was missing from the Listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===References===&lt;br /&gt;
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote). &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Covers (4)===&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3&#039;&#039;&#039; - A moralistic tale for the ages.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5&#039;&#039;&#039; - I&#039;m glad my pants are already brown!&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6&#039;&#039;&#039; - The UK needs more RED.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; reuse of art from U.S. issue&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Reuse of US issue #4&#039;s cover.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Advertisements===&lt;br /&gt;
* None yet identified&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel US issues]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel UK issues]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Prisoner_of_War!&amp;diff=412529</id>
		<title>Prisoner of War!</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Prisoner_of_War!&amp;diff=412529"/>
		<updated>2010-01-05T16:57:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (US)]] #3&lt;br /&gt;
|prev=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|title=Prisoner of War!&lt;br /&gt;
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; (UK)]] #5–6&lt;br /&gt;
|prev2=Power Play!&lt;br /&gt;
|next2=The Last Stand&lt;br /&gt;
|image=MarvelUS-03.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|caption=Is he strong? Listen, [[bud]], he made Megatron go thud.&lt;br /&gt;
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
|date=[[October 2]], 1984&lt;br /&gt;
|coverdate=January 1985&lt;br /&gt;
|writer=[[Jim Salicrup]]&lt;br /&gt;
|penciler=[[Frank Springer]]&lt;br /&gt;
|inker=[[Kim DeMulder]], [[Jim Esposito]]&lt;br /&gt;
|colorist=[[Nelson Yomtov]]&lt;br /&gt;
|letterers=[[Janice Chiang]] &amp;amp; Others&lt;br /&gt;
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]&lt;br /&gt;
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;When Sparkplug is kidnapped, it&#039;s up to Gears and Spider-Man to save him.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Synopsis==&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] bring Sparkplug Witwicky to their [[Fortress Sinister|fortress]] and Megatron deliberates internally on Starscream&#039;s loyalty. The Decepticons demand that Sparkplug create a method to convert gas into fuel compatible with their forms. A Korean War vet, Sparkplug equates his capture to his time spent as a POW in Korea and refuses, until he&#039;s forcefully persuaded. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Back at the Witwicky garage, Buster and his friends are wondering what to do next. Optimus orders everyone back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] for fuel and repairs, inviting Buster along the ride. When they arrive, he marvels at the size of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]&#039; HQ.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Soundwave, Rumble and Starscream are out stealing components for Sparkplug&#039;s fuel conversion process, and their crime spree attracts attention from the press and world governments. As camera crews and the military surround the Decepticon fortress, photojournalist Peter Parker decides to use his alter ego Spider-Man in order to get some better shots of the action. He runs into Gears, and after a short tussle Gears proves that he&#039;s a good guy when he saves a crowd of humans from getting squashed flat by a tank. The Autobots team up with Spider-Man to break through the line of reporters and soldiers, and an all-out battle breaks out between the &#039;Cons and the &#039;Bots.&lt;br /&gt;
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Meanwhile, Gears and Spider-Man are making their way into the fortress. After a short scrap with Ravage, Gears and Spider-Man break in and steal Sparkplug from under Megatron&#039;s nose. The Decepticon leader shoots out the floor beneath them, and while Spider-Man saves Sparkplug, Gears&#039; weight breaks the web Spider-Man tried to save him with and he plummets to the earth below. &lt;br /&gt;
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On their return to the Ark, Buster and Sparkplug are reunited and the Autobots say goodbye to Spider-Man. Ratchet brings Gears back to a functional level and he informs the Autobots that the Decepticons got what they wanted out of Sparkplug. Dad, say it ain&#039;t so!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Featured characters==&lt;br /&gt;
{{featuredcharacters&lt;br /&gt;
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* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (12)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (14)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (16)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (17)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (18)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (21)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (22)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (23)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (24)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (29)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (30)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (31)&lt;br /&gt;
|c2=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (1)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (2)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (3)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (5)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (6)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (7)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (8)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (9)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (10)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)&lt;br /&gt;
|c3=&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (4)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (15)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jesse]] (19)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[&amp;quot;O&amp;quot;]] (20)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Dum Dum|Dum Dum Dugan]] (25)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Nicholas|Nick Fury]] (26)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Joe Robertson]] (27)&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Spider-Man|Peter Parker]] (28)&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
==Errors==&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 5: Ironhide is colored like... uh... uh... well, he&#039;s got blue arms, blue and gray legs, and a white windshield frame.  Windcharger is colored white and blue instead of red and gray. ([[Tailgate|Coincidence!]])  The silhouettes behind Optimus don&#039;t match anyone from the Autobot ranks.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 8: Ratchet is colored with a red crest, shoulders, and legs.  They should all be white.  For the rest of Ratchet&#039;s appearances in this issue, he&#039;s colored with a blue windshield frame and red shoulders; it happens consistently enough to suggest that it was an earlier color scheme rather than a flat-out error.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 9: [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] is shown hanging out with the Decepticons.  Next issue will reveal that he&#039;s still buried in rock at this point.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 11: Skywarp&#039;s jet mode is colored as if his cockpit canopy extended all the way back to his tail fins.  When he lands on the Air Force jet, his wings are missing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 15: As the Autobots transform, Sunstreaker is colored red instead of yellow.  In the next panel, Cliffjumper&#039;s head is colored yellow instead of red.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 16: A blue-colored Gears is drawn behind Brawn, even though Gears is off somewhere else with Spider-Man.  It should probably be Frenzy, who shows up in the next panel.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 17: Gears&#039; legs can&#039;t seem to decide what color they are.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 18: Panel 1: Megatron is drawn instead of Soundwave.  Amusingly, the thought bubbles &#039;&#039;almost&#039;&#039; work for Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 19: Soundwave is drawn with a strange, enormous cannon attached to his arm, rather than his usual weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 21: Brawn and Cliffjumper are both white and blue instead of their normal color schemes.  Sunstreaker is blue, white and red, and has the wrong head, AND is missing most of his left arm.&lt;br /&gt;
* Page 22:&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 3: Optimus is drawn with strange huge conjoined goggles instead of his usual separate eyes. &lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 4: Cliffjumper is still white and blue, while Hound is colored red and white instead of green.  Ratchet&#039;s repair bay is colored red instead of white.&lt;br /&gt;
** Panel 5: Optimus&#039;s head is &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039;!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Items of note==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Cameos:&#039;&#039;&#039; Startled onlookers, traffic cop, security guard, trucker, the [[President of the United States]] and his adviser (voices only), Russian adviser (voice only), agents of [[SHIELD]], reporters, [[United States military]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Advertised as part 3 in a 4-issue limited series.&lt;br /&gt;
* As one of the issues written during the period when the series was considered to be part of the mainstream [[wikipedia:Marvel_Universe|Marvel Universe]], this installment features a guest appearance by Spider-Man in his [[Venom (Crossovers)|black symbiote costume]], complete with a footnote that dates the story as occurring before the issue of his own title in which he disposed of the suit.&lt;br /&gt;
* A much shorter guest appearance by [[U.S. 1]] can be seen in the background as the Autobots drive down the highway.&lt;br /&gt;
* Many characters (Ratchet and Bumblebee being among the more prominent examples) are suddenly drawn to match their animation models after two issues of being drawn with toy-based designs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Ratchet&#039;s [[Onebox component|repair sled]] speaks!  Ratchet himself speaks immediately afterwards, making it seem less likely that this was merely a misattributed speech balloon.&lt;br /&gt;
* In &amp;quot;[[Man and Machine, Part Four]]&amp;quot;, when Spider-Man web-swings off Megatron, the scene is said to be directly inspired by the cover for this issue.&lt;br /&gt;
* Amongst the military vehicles seen in this issue, the MOBAT and the Wolverine from the [[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]] series appear repeatedly.&lt;br /&gt;
* When IDW released the Original Transformer comics onto the Digital Comics Service, this comics was missing from the Listings. Hhhhmm, I wonder why that could be?&lt;br /&gt;
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===References===&lt;br /&gt;
* Although it is later established that Transformers existed outside the regular Marvel universe, there is a footnote indicating this story takes place before Spider-Man #258 (when he learns the black costume is a living symbiote). &lt;br /&gt;
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===Covers (4)===&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:MarvelUS-03.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3&#039;&#039;&#039; - A moralistic tale for the ages.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-5.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5&#039;&#039;&#039; - I&#039;m glad my pants are already brown!&lt;br /&gt;
Image:MarvelUK-6.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6&#039;&#039;&#039; - The UK needs more RED.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Tfcolcom02.jpg|&#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;US issue #3 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Spider-Man webbing Megatron, by [[Michael Golden]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #5 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Thundercracker and Sparkplug, by [[John Ridgway]].&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;UK issue #6 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; reuse of art from U.S. issue&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Collected Comics #2 cover:&#039;&#039;&#039; Reuse of US issue #4&#039;s cover.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Shockwave (Animated)</title>
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{{disambig3|Shockwave}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Shockwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:TFA Shockwave.jpg|thumb|right|250px|My awesomeness is logical.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Shockwave&#039;&#039;&#039; is a covert agent in service to [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. This size-changing master of disguise has infiltrated the Autobot security apparatus at the highest level: his cover persona is &#039;&#039;&#039;Longarm Prime&#039;&#039;&#039;, head of [[Cybertron Intelligence]], reporting directly to [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] himself.  The undercover Decepticon is the perfect agent to pull this off, as he&#039;s able to change his voice, his appearance, and even his energy signature.  This puts Shockwave in the perfect position to undermine and mislead the Autobots while feeding strategic information to his true master.  To establish his credibility, &amp;quot;Longarm&amp;quot; attended the [[Autobot boot camp]] alongside Bumblebee and Bulkhead.  Over the years, he worked his way up the Autobot hierarchy—first through [[Autobot Academy]], then through the ranks of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] until finally he was promoted to be the very head of the Intelligence Division itself!&lt;br /&gt;
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Befitting a double agent, Shockwave is highly secretive and fearful of detection.  Befitting a cartoon villain, he can confidently give those secrets away if he thinks he&#039;s winning.  If he suspects his cover may be compromised, he&#039;s given to acts of desperation.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Rise, Shockwave: my most loyal servant!|Megatron|&amp;quot;[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]&amp;quot;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{note|Events from IDW Publishing comic books are in italics.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor&#039;&#039;: [[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Helmut Gauß]] (German)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:TFA Longarm.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Why am I wearing a scuba mask?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:TFA Shockwave DoubleAgent.jpg|thumb|right|150px|So does that mean he&#039;s Shockwave Prime?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Shockwave was recruited by Megatron because his mass-shifting abilities allowed him to impersonate effectively a wide variety of shapes and sizes, making it difficult for Autobots to accurately track him during missions of infiltration and sabotage. It was these traits which led to Megatron sending him to enlist in the Autobot armed services as a means of climbing the ranks and eventually taking the organization down from within.&lt;br /&gt;
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Disguising himself as &amp;quot;Longarm&amp;quot;, Shockwave enrolled in [[Autobot boot camp]], but slipped up in the early days of training and was overheard reporting to Megatron by the black sheep recruit [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]. Although Shockwave managed to avoid detection right away, Bumblebee was tipped off to the presence of a traitor in the camp and suspected fellow recruit [[Wasp]], whom he spotted leaving the building shortly afterward. Seeing his fellow recruit [[Wasp]] (probably Shockwave) leaving the building shortly afterwards, Bumblebee was aware there was a traitor in their midst, and suspected Wasp. Bumblebee turned to the espionage-savvy Longarm for advice, and Shockwave used the opportunity to divert attention away from himself by suggesting that the young Autobot refrain from telling their commander, [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Minor]], so that &#039;Bee could take all the credit when he exposed the traitor himself as a means to ensuring his career in the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. Unfortunately, all of Bumblebee&#039;s efforts only got him in worse trouble, and his fellow recruits began to bully him, with Longarm being the only one to stick up for him. After several failures on Bumblebee&#039;s part, Shockwave took matters into his own hands during a training exercise and switched the training equipment to live ammo in an attempt to offline the Autobot and keep the whole matter of a traitor a secret. Luckily for Bumblebee, this plan was foiled by [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually, Shockwave found out that Sentinel Minor intended to conduct a surprise inspection, and he contrived to set up Wasp to take the fall himself. After planting a Decepticon communicator in Wasp&#039;s locker, Shockwave, as Longarm, informed Bumblebee of the upcoming inspection, telling him that it was his last chance to find the evidence he needed. Using one of his extensible limbs to trip up Wasp, Shockwave allowed Bumblebee to palm Wasp&#039;s locker key as &#039;Bee helped him up, allowing him to find the communicator and show it to Sentinel. In the end, Wasp was dragged off to prison, and Longarm commended Bumblebee for his deductive work.&lt;br /&gt;
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Subsequently, Shockwave graduated boot camp and became a member of the Cybertron Elite Guard. Now &amp;quot;Longarm [[Prime (rank)#Transformers Animated|&#039;&#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039;&#039;]]&amp;quot;, he became head of [[Cybertron Intelligence]] and remained in this position, hiding in plain sight, for the fifty stellar cycles that Megatron was lost on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}} He may have murdered [[Highbrow (Animated)|Intel director Highbrow]] to get the job. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors&#039; Club (magazine)|Hasbro Transformers Collectors&#039; Club]]&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;After [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]&#039;s ship was lost, Longarm pressed Sentinel to continue the search for the ship&#039;s crew, the AllSpark and [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. His pleas fell on deaf ears. {{storylink|The Arrival issue 1}}&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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After Megatron succeeded in restoring himself and the Decepticons were assembled on Earth, he re-established contact with Shockwave on Cybertron and initiated a plan to construct a [[space bridge]] that would allow the Decepticons to conquer the planet from within. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}} Wasp, now criminally insane, escaped from prison, and Megatron started receiving transmissions from his double agent on Cybertron. When Megatron&#039;s captive, [[Isaac Sumdac]], attempted to alert the Autobots to the existence of the double agent by bouncing a transmission to their base, Bumblebee again suspected Wasp. He reported the news to Longarm Prime on Cybertron, but of course, that accomplished nothing. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Anim shockwave pinchy.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Pinchy pinchy!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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When the completed space bridge failed to function, Megatron contacted Shockwave and instructed him to locate the top space bridge specialist on Cybertron to help correct the problem. Shockwave was surprised to discover that the specialist was already on Earth; it was Bulkhead! Bulkhead was subsequently captured by Megatron and forced to perfect the space bridge. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}} The other Autobots arrived too late to stop him, and they were defeated by the Decepticons and strung up to watch as the bridge was activated. Shockwave revealed his alter ego of Longarm Prime to the Autobots, disclosing that he had already given Megatron an appropriate access code and forcing Bumblebee to feel the shame of sending an innocent Wasp to prison. When Megatron tried to test the space bridge by sending Optimus Prime through it, Shockwave assured his master that he awaited the &amp;quot;test subject&amp;quot; on the other side. Unfortunately, an attempt by Megatron to boost power caused the space bridge to overload, deleting the access code and setting the space bridge to random coordinates. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Megacycles later, Shockwave, as Longarm once more, assured Ultra Magnus that the Decepticons would not be able to reach the Cybertron Space Bridge nexus. Shockwave then contacted [[Team Chaar]], who had successfully taken over a space bridge and were ready to use it in order to gate to Cybertron. [[Strika (Animated)|Strika]] asked for permission to begin the assault, only to have Shockwave deny her request. She was to stay put with her team and wait for Megatron to arrive, even if he was megacycles overdue. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:TransWarpedBlurrLongarm.jpg|left|thumb|250px|&amp;quot;Whoops—there&#039;s a bug on your head, Blurr.  Holllld stilll...&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Not long afterward, the entire Space Bridge Nexus powered down. Confused, Longarm questioned Cybertron Command, and [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]] informed him that Ultra Magnus had ordered the shutdown in order to prevent the Decepticons from accessing Cybertron.  Just then, Agent [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] arrived and (very) quickly informed Longarm that while on Earth, he had intercepted a transmission between Megatron and and his double agent on Cybertron, Shockwave. Further, Blurr noted that Shockwave&#039;s voice didn&#039;t match that of the suspected Wasp, but quick search of the Cybertron Intel Database would allow them to find the true identity of the traitor. Shocked, Longarm asked if Blurr had shared this information with anyone else. When Blurr replied that he had not, Shockwave decided it would be wise to quiet him down—permanently. Blurr eluded his initial attempts and escaped into the corridors around the nexus control center. Rather than give chase, Shockwave simply had the corridors&#039; security hatches slam shut and close in on Blurr, trapping and crushing him to death.&lt;br /&gt;
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At the Elite Guard Headquarters, Longarm handed over a small cube of &amp;quot;sensitive materials&amp;quot; to Cliffjumper to dispose, then went to his office, where he received an incoming transmission from Lord Megatron himself. They traded information on their respective setbacks, but Megatron assured Shockwave that he had [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|a method]] of preventing the Earth Autobots from blowing Shockwave&#039;s cover.&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly, Longarm Prime attended an Elite Guard meeting, where Ultra Magnus declared that the Decepticons&#039; attacks were too organized to be random acts of sabotage.  Rather, evidence pointed to a double agent in the Autobots&#039; midst. Longarm nervously pointed out that the Decepticon uprisings had started after Wasp&#039;s escape, making the cause plain. Ultra Magnus agreed and ordered [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] and Sentinel Prime to organize an Elite Guard Unit to find the escapee. He then requested that the Earth-bound Autobots be contacted. Increasingly distraught, Longarm declared that all communications should be first filtered through him, without exceptions—for the sake of security and the protection of Cybertron, naturally. {{storylink|TransWarped}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately, Longarm&#039;s insistence on diverting blame toward Wasp was his undoing. When Wasp headed to Earth, Ultra Magnus didn&#039;t inform him about Wasp&#039;s destination until the Elite Guard&#039;s ship was in sight of the planet. Knowing he was on the verge of being exposed, Shockwave tried to contact Megatron, but still received no response. With no other orders on how to proceed, Shockwave took matters into his own hands: In an effort to inflict one last blow to the Autobots, Shockwave attacked and seriously damaged Ultra Magnus, stealing his Magnus hammer in the process. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Autobots became trapped in [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave&#039;s]] virtual reality, Shockwave appeared to invade and attack Earth. However, he didn&#039;t seem to do much besides set an apartment on fire. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:TFAni ThisisWhyIHateMachines Shockwave TrueColors.jpg|thumb|240px|right|Wish you&#039;d bought that repaint now, don&#039;t you?]]&lt;br /&gt;
After escaping, Shockwave hid in an underground tunnel, concealed from detection, waiting for Megatron to call. The Decepticon leader, trapped inside of [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]] along with [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and [[Lugnut]], contacted Shockwave, who revealed a way to gain the access codes for Omega Supreme. However, Shockwave was soon discovered by [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Captain Fanzone]]. He easily defeated them and went to find the female intelligence agent [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]. To do this, he &amp;quot;asked&amp;quot; an informant-bot named [[Rattletrap]] for the directions. However, he apparently got lost, and so merely hid and waited for Fanzone and Ratchet to find her. He battled Ratchet and severely wounded the elderly Autobot. During the battle, he then found Ultra Magnus, still wounded. He was about to kill him for good when Ratchet used his EMP generator on both Shockwave &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; Ultra Magnus&#039;s hammer. Ratchet was then distracted by the arrival of temporary Magnus Sentinel Prime. After getting back online, Shockwave took Arcee and escaped to Omega Supreme, using the access codes to transwarp to Earth&#039;s orbit. He then celebrated his freedom to serve Megatron openly by [[electronic paint job|changing]] into more...[[Shockwave (G1)|suitable colors]], while [[Lugnut]] silently fumed at Megatron&#039;s description of him as his &amp;quot;most loyal servant&amp;quot;. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:TFA-Endgame-ShockwavePointsAndLaughs.jpg|thumb|left|240px|It is only logical that you&#039;re an idiot.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Shockwave worked on the captured Arcee, initially hitting an early datatrax from her time as a teacher before the Great War. Megatron assured his &amp;quot;ever-loyal Shockwave&amp;quot; that if any bot could access the right datatrax, it was him. Combined with some taunting by Starscream, this sent Lugnut into a frenzy of jealousy, and he knocked Shockwave across the room as he begged for Megatron&#039;s favour. Shockwave in turn pointed out that while Lugnut was &amp;quot;fawning at Megatron&#039;s feet&amp;quot;, he&#039;d risked &amp;quot;spark and servo&amp;quot; as a double agent. This didn&#039;t go over well, and soon the two purple &#039;Cons were fighting one another. Later, with both sent to convert material from the wrecked [[Nemesis (Animated)|Decepticon flagship]] into [[Lugnut Supreme|clones of Omega Supreme]], Shockwave could be seen pointing and laughing at a misfortune on his rival&#039;s part.&lt;br /&gt;
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After dropping a bit of stripped material from the wrecked ship, unwittingly nearly crushing a spying Bumblebee, Shockwave returned to working on Arcee and successfully restored her to the [[The Thrill of the Hunt|point at which her memory was wiped]]. Briefly returning to his grey &amp;quot;Longarm&amp;quot; mode, he confirmed that she had the activation codes, so he ripped the wires which artificially sustained her from her head, knocking her back into stasis. Outside, with the clones ready for activation, he rebooted Arcee. Despite &amp;quot;Longarm&#039;s&amp;quot; prompting, she refused to give the activation codes to Megatron voluntarily. Instead, Shockwave knocked her back into stasis and extracted the codes manually, making no comment when they ended up in Lugnut and Megatron proclaimed Lugnut his &amp;quot;most loyal lieutenant&amp;quot;. As it turned out, however, the codes which Shockwave had torn from Arcee were missing a crucial &amp;quot;security upgrade patch&amp;quot;, and he was forced to rig up an inelegant bypass—involving Lugnut directly puppeteering the clones—until he could retrieve the rest of the code from Arcee. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}} &lt;br /&gt;
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While Shockwave was on the moon, he ran into Bumblebee, Ratchet, Sari, and Bulkhead. He fights Bumblebee and Bulkhead, Bulkead managed to catch him off guard, punching him to the ground and knocking away his cannon and gets defeated. Shockwave took on his Longarm guise to plea Bulkhead and Bumblebee for mercy. After a few sarcastic agreements, Bulkhead destroyed his cannon (Great job, Ultra Magnus). He is arrested along with Lugnut and Megatron and brought to Cybertron.  {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}} &lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Longarmanimatedvoyager.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Punch.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Shockwaveanimatedvoyager.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Counterpunch.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Shockwave&#039;&#039;&#039; (Voyager, 2008) &lt;br /&gt;
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:Representing his double nature in the cartoon, &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; Shockwave becomes both the Autobot Longarm and Decepticon Shockwave, featuring four distinct modes. In &amp;quot;Infiltration Mode,&amp;quot; the shorter, stockier Autobot Longarm transforms into a four-legged crane platform. If one fancies, one can stretch out his Shockwave-mode elbows to emulate his limb-stretching ability in Longarm mode (abeit not very well). In &amp;quot;Spy Mode,&amp;quot; he stretches and converts into the taller, lankier Decepticon Shockwave, as the crane portion of Longarm&#039;s body converts into a hand-held cannon. The center panel on his chest flips between Autobot and Decepticon symbols. Both chest symbols are vacuum metalized, with very shiny silver and gold. Curiously, while the rotating faction symbols on his chest use the usual &amp;quot;classic&amp;quot; designs, the tampographed Decepticon symbol on his cannon/crane is in the movie style, and is visible in his Autobot modes.&lt;br /&gt;
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:All the differences between Shockwave and Longarm can be difficult to remember.  In the &amp;quot;tank mode&amp;quot; picture at right, the secondary guns are incorrectly folded back.  On the back of this toy&#039;s box, there are several small transformation errors, the most obvious being that only &#039;&#039;one&#039;&#039; of Shockwave&#039;s shoulders has been correctly rotated up.  Also, the toy [[instruction booklet|instructions]] do not show Shockwave&#039;s neck as correctly extended (his chin is touching his chestplate in the instructions, just as for Longarm). They also fail to mention that you can push his upper torso forward as Shockwave to better replicate the slouch that he has in the cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Shockwave/shockwave.htm More information on Shockwave at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shockwavepurplebumblebeetoys.jpg|thumb|right|250px|His Longarm alter ego probably won&#039;t be as convincing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Shockwave VS Bumblebee&#039;&#039;&#039; (Multi-pack, 2009) &lt;br /&gt;
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:A predominantly purple [[redeco]] of the Voyager toy, this version of Shockwave is packaged with an apparently unaltered [[Activators]]-class [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] figure. Shockwave retains his four modes and gimmickry within each. A Target stores [[exclusive]], this set was available simultaneously with the [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]]/[[Ratchet (Animated)#Activators|Ratchet]] multi-pack. Strangely, although this Purple version may seem to be a less convincing Autobot; he may be a better spy as this toy, as unlike the other version, the repaint no longer has any symbol, Decepticon or Autobot, on the cannon/crane to give him away.&lt;br /&gt;
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: The official Hasbro picture at right contains several transformation errors:  In robot mode, Shockwave&#039;s shoulders are not rotated up.  In tank mode, the secondary guns are not deployed, the red panels which are on the robot mode&#039;s shoulders have not been flipped to show the tank&#039;s treads, and the middle panel on the side of the tank is oriented wrong (the circle should be down, not back). In addition, his head is not fully retracted. Someone at Hasbro is dozing.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* Actor Corey Burton reprises the role of Shockwave from Generation 1, reusing precisely the same British-accented, [[Wikipedia:Sark (Tron)|David-Warner-inspired]] voice for the character (while employing an American accented variation for Longarm). In a [http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/viewtopic.php?f=27&amp;amp;t=41857&amp;amp;p=742393#p742393 recent interview], Burton revealed that Shockwave&#039;s inclusion in Season 2 arose from a between-scenes conversation he had with the production team, regarding how little the original Shockwave actually had to do.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Shockwave_goodside.jpg|thumb|right|180px|I hear this is my good side...]]&lt;br /&gt;
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* While Shockwave possesses the single, round optic and window-chest of his Generation 1 counterpart, much of the rest of his body appears to be largely patterned after &#039;&#039;[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]&#039;&#039; [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]; he transforms into an &amp;quot;H-tank&amp;quot;, the front treads end up on his shoulders, plus he has the large, spiky &amp;quot;antlers&amp;quot; on his head. Additionally, Shockwave&#039;s vehicle mode appears to be loosely based on one of the [[Transtech]] sketch designs for Megatron, with the high angled treads and turret.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Shockwave&#039;s on-package bio states that, as Longarm, he rose through the ranks of the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] to reach his current position; this meshes with Longarm&#039;s cover story in &amp;quot;Autoboot Camp&amp;quot; that he wishes to become an Elite Guard intelligence officer. [[Derrick J. Wyatt]] has informed this wiki that Longarm is not a member of that group in the cartoon.  Shockwave&#039;s status as a nonmember of the Elite Guard is supported by Longarm&#039;s lack of the Elite Guard&#039;s winged Autobot symbol in the cartoon. However, he is drawn with an Elite Guard symbol in [[The Arrival issue 1|&#039;&#039;The Arrival&#039;&#039; #1]].&lt;br /&gt;
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* Despite not having a face, Shockwave still manages to have a [[chin]].&lt;br /&gt;
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*Both &amp;quot;Shockwave and &amp;quot;Longarm&amp;quot; have official alternate capitalizations. The credits of &amp;quot;[[TransWarped]]&amp;quot; give &amp;quot;LongArm Prime&amp;quot;, and the credits for &amp;quot;[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]&amp;quot; have &amp;quot;ShockWave&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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*In just a few appearances on &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039;, Shockwave has managed to destroy Wasp&#039;s life, kill a popular recurring character, bring down Cybertron&#039;s entire interplanetary transport and communications system, brutally assault the Magnus (and steal his hammer!), and give Megatron control of the Autobots&#039; most feared and powerful weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Shockwave is &#039;&#039;awesome&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Human Name jokes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Megatron&#039;s Cybertronian form ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Has anyone else noticed that Megatron&#039;s vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the &#039;&#039;Swordfish&#039;&#039;, the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in &#039;&#039;Cowboy BeBop&#039;&#039;?  [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::The only difference is it&#039;s A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.&lt;br /&gt;
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:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn&#039;t exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a &#039;mono-racer&#039; from Bebop at least.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I actually found it looked like [[Megatron (RID)|the other megatrons`]] jet mode.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I think I see it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Earth Mode ==&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber.  [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we&#039;re not including that &amp;quot;info&amp;quot;. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie&#039;s game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we&#039;ll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie.  I&#039;d say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it&#039;s still not confirmed.  [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::From the book media I&#039;ve perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all.  There&#039;s other things I saw, but I shan&#039;t go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then.  [[User:Terrocon Blot]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Which book?  Sounds interesting.  [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow.  The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc.  Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side.  He ain&#039;t Brawl.  All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores.  (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can&#039;t seem to edit pages when I&#039;m logged in.)  [[User:Terrocon Blot]]&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sibling status==&lt;br /&gt;
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true.  :)&lt;br /&gt;
: FOr what it&#039;s worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there&#039;s at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: The DS game says so.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it&#039;s not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it&#039;s going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==*More* Misassemblies==&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it&#039;s his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Geeeeez, you&#039;re right.  Is there anything assembled &#039;&#039;right&#039;&#039; on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I&#039;m not seeing it.&lt;br /&gt;
:::It&#039;s most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don&#039;t look at &#039;pics&#039; of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. &amp;gt;.&amp;gt; [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Galvatron ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It&#039;ll probebly bring him back to life at least&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs&#039;s revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won&#039;t become Galvatron.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Marinas Trench ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench.  To that end, using &amp;quot;Marinas Trench&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t seem exactly right to me.  Unfortunately, I wasn&#039;t able to quite decipher what he DID call it.  Was anybody else?  And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Keller says &amp;quot;Laurentian Trench,&amp;quot; which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest.  He also says it&#039;s the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas.  So, a fact-finding flub.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean.  (seriously, it&#039;s entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.)  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Either that, or Michael bay didn&#039;t do his homework.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Or Maybe in their Dimension, it IS the deepest? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 11:59, 24 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;The Head Wars&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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the one present right now is a little blurry, wouldn&#039;t that one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: No, because that one doesn&#039;t have the right head.  We replaced the one you suggested with the current version.  (Blurry?  It&#039;s a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.)  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Um, yes it does. The Current one has the wrong head. Screencap comparison coming momentarily. Please stand by. [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|Inferno&amp;amp;#39;sQueen]] 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::There is no more-current render to move to.  There is a much older, outdated one that &#039;&#039;somebody&#039;&#039; keeps reverting to, but the one we currently use is practically the one used in the movie, if not the very same.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Not the same. The top of the head in the final version is different. [[:Image:MegHeads.jpg|Here. &#039;&#039;Now&#039;&#039; tell me I&#039;m wrong.]][[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|Inferno&amp;amp;#39;sQueen]] 20:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The head we currently have is way way way way way way closer than the alternative.  Find us a full-body render that&#039;s a better alternative, and we&#039;ll switch them out, but there is none.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::[http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg GUIGUI&#039;s] &#039;&#039;is&#039;&#039; the accurate head. It&#039;s just got blue eyes. But considering the eyes of some movie images on the wiki aren&#039;t even glowing &#039;&#039;at all&#039;&#039; I don&#039;t think that should be an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
:::Don&#039;t answer me with another block. &#039;&#039;Please.&#039;&#039; I&#039;m just trying to help the wiki. [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|Mr. Q]] 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is so totally not the final Megatron.  This render showed up months before the one we&#039;re currently using, and they hadn&#039;t even finished texturing the model.  Please drop the issue.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, now I&#039;m confused. Is the body wrong on [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg that one] or something? [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|Mr. Q]] 17:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it&#039;s just shaded wrong(no shadows), and his torso is not completely &amp;quot;filled&amp;quot; with metal.&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;-the preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]]&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
::That doesn&#039;t seem like a good excuse. And please sign your posts. [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|Mr. Q]] 15:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I looked at the image again, and it does look a bit odd. But not very much. I suggest a poll/survey of the admins to decide who thinks it should be Meg&#039;s main pic, as the torso bit is the only problem. It won&#039;t be visible in thumbnail format anyhow. [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::The Megatron model has two heads, a standard head and the battle head.  The final promotional render with all the completed surface detail, which we are using, uses the standard head.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Admins, please put &amp;quot;Yes&amp;quot; after your name if you think the current image should be changed to [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg this one], or &amp;quot;No&amp;quot; if you think it should stay as-is.[[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The current poll:&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:ItsWalky]]: He hasn&#039;t officially voted yet, but it seems as though his answer will be &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;No.&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Steve-o]]:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Insert vote here&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Suki Brits]]:I think she says &#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;No,&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&#039; too.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Chris McFeely]]:&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;Insert vote here&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:If I missed an admin, please notify them and add them here. [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::you know, the admins aren&#039;t the only ones who have a say in this. And given that the model in the current image is almost if not completely identical to the one used in the movie it should be left as is. IMO, your argument is kinda like saying we need a new main image for [[Optimus Primal]] because it has a mouth doesn&#039;t have a full faceplate like the final model, even though the final model had both &amp;quot;mouth&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;faceplate&amp;quot; versions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Well, we can&#039;t poll &#039;&#039;everyone&#039;&#039;. I&#039;m relatively new, lucky enough to have found the admins listed somewhere. I wouldn&#039;t know who else to ask. And That Primal thing does not make sense. I &#039;&#039;know&#039;&#039; he had a mouth &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; a [[mouthplate]]. I&#039;m saying the current image has the &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;wrong head&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;, and it should be fixed. [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This is bordering on farce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Agreed.  If Inferno&#039;s Queen does not immediately drop the matter, I will get rid of her for refusing to stop wasting all of our time and polluting the Recent changes page with this retarded personal gripe.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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:::::&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;GUY!&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt; [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Inferno&#039;s Queen, it&#039;s like I said on the image&#039;s talk page: we don&#039;t have a full body shot of Megatron&#039;s final design, so we&#039;re going with the most accurate one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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After the poll is completed, this will end. Deal?[[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:...you don&#039;t get to dictate policy to admins.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s not quite true. If she keeps this up, she&#039;ll likely dictate a permaban on herself :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Fine already! I&#039;ll leave the issue alone if you stop calling me a girl! &lt;br /&gt;
:::&amp;lt;big&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;I AM A GUY!!!&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/big&amp;gt; [[User:Inferno&#039;sQueen|The Big Q]] 12:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Seriously, dude, is this all you&#039;ve got to offer?! This is such an incredibly minor issue that it&#039;s nowhere worth the amount of discussion that has already gone on about it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This is mind-blowingly petty. I don&#039;t feel the need to express any opinion on the matter, it&#039;s pretty damn clear what the consensus is. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== video game info ==&lt;br /&gt;
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should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?&lt;br /&gt;
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Weapon names==&lt;br /&gt;
The article currently contains the current text in its movie summary: &amp;quot;Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should die with them, forming his fusion cannon. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his ion blaster and fired, hitting Megatron.&amp;quot;  Do we have any reason/justification for referring to those weapons so specifically as a fusion cannon and ion blaster?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:In the trivia section of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]&#039;s article, it&#039;s called an ion blaster. As for the fusion cannon...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Doesn&#039;t Leader Megatron&#039;s toy packaging say &amp;quot;Arms combine to form fusion cannon!&amp;quot; or something along those lines? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Answering my own question by looking up DVD&#039;s review, yes it does. And the product listing at Hasbro.com says: &amp;quot;Robot mode also features a launching rocket claw that becomes a chain whip, and arms that combine to create a fusion cannon!&amp;quot; --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Language==&lt;br /&gt;
According to the Circuit City voice featurette, the producers made up an alien language (or Hugo Weaving did, the wording is vague), and Weaving is shown speaking in it as Megatron. Did this make it into the final film? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There *is* a Cybertronian language spoken by several characters (Frenzy most notably, I guess, plus Starscream, and actually &#039;every&#039; Decepticon during the call-up scene) but nobody really knows if it&#039;s just jibberish with a flanger on or something. That, and Megs &#039;never&#039; speaks Cybertronian in the movie, so this makes it even stranger. The idea behind the Cybertronians speaking a different language isn&#039;t Weaving&#039;s, however, because that was in the leaked script that came out long before Weaving was cast. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 23:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Encased in ice at the bottom of the ocean?==&lt;br /&gt;
Uh, correct me if I&#039;m wrong, but there&#039;s no ice at the bottom of the ocean. Ice is less dense than water so any particles cold enough to freeze float above those who aren&#039;t cold enough. (Contrary to normal laws of convection; ice is weird like that) so Megatron and the Decepticons wouldn&#039;t be icy at all.  Just really cold and crushed under immense water pressure.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Megu said &#039;&#039;what&#039;&#039;?==&lt;br /&gt;
When Megu arrives in Mission City, he says two sentences. Just when he lands, he says something that I heard as &amp;quot;Let me play!&amp;quot; But what did he say after that? Because, the article says that Megu again declared his name when arriving in M City, but he didn&#039;t sound like that. Will someone clarify what exactly he said? StarShade 09:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Premium==&lt;br /&gt;
Does anyone know if the premium series leader Megatron has corrected the assembly errors?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Screen Grabs==&lt;br /&gt;
Well since the trailer has been offically released, and Megatron has a few good clear shots in it, can we post a pic or two under ROTF?  Mainly the one where he apparently comes out of the water, which appears to be the best looking shot.  Just a sugestion.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Derrick_J._Wyatt&amp;diff=299976</id>
		<title>Talk:Derrick J. Wyatt</title>
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&lt;div&gt;Does he have an account here?  Or am I confusing him for other Hasbro employees that come here. --[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 10:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==About that April Fools...==&lt;br /&gt;
Ummm, in the end, which characters Didn&#039;t actually turn up anywhere? It feels like almost all of them managed to turn up in backgrounds somehwere... Now the season is over, should we add to the notes which ones did and did not turn up in Season 3? And who knows the correct answer? Other than Mr Wyatt himself (better idea, we ask Mr Wyatt himself, just to make sure we didn&#039;t miss any....) [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 09:29, 24 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Endgame, Part II</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Matrix==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Matrix is probably the All Spark in a new tamper proof packaging. [[User:Decepticonman|Decepticonman]] &lt;br /&gt;
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Is there ANY confirmation as to what it is, or is it just speculation? [[User: Eire]] 18.51 May 23 09 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Now this is just speculation, but that above suggestion is probably speculation. All the same, it may be an idea to ask our usual source about that Matrix on his twitter, or at Botcon next week... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 09:21, 24 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Remaining Decepticons==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thundercracker, Skywarp, Scrapper, Mixmaster, Dirtboss, and possibly Lockdown need to be added to the list of remaining Decepticons. [[User:Decepticonman|Decepticonman]] 09:18, 23 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Not Dinobot Island. ==&lt;br /&gt;
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As far as I can tell by the shape of the Isle, I would say it isn&#039;t dinobot island, but an other one. Am I right?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:03, 23 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:No sir, you are not. Dinobot Island&#039;s shape got changed when that huge crescent-chunk got blown out of it during &amp;quot;Predacons Rising&amp;quot;. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:05, 23 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Starscream clones and AllSpark fragments ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Quote|Ahh... but your clones are just lifeless shells without my AllSpark fragment to bring them online.|Starscream Endgame 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Who needs your fragment?|Megatron}}&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream animated his clones with his AllSpark fragment. Starscream thinks his fragment will bring all three online. The clones don&#039;t need one fragment of their own each. There is nothing to say the clones have their own fragment. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:56, 23 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:When Screamer&#039;s bringing his clones online during A bridge too close part 1, he&#039;s seen breaking off a small fragment of his own fragment, inserts it into Skywarp&#039;s empty spark conatiner, and Skywarp then comes online. Presumably, this is how he brought all of the clones online. They do have their own Allspark fragments... Very small ones, it seems, but they still do have them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:01, 23 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Thank you. I forgot that. I updated the [[Starscream clone]] page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:07, 23 May 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Mol</title>
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:&#039;&#039;Mol is a [[Maximal]] in the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Mol&#039;&#039;&#039; is a reformatted ancient task drone. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Universe: The Wreckers===&lt;br /&gt;
Mol first joins the [[Wrecker|Wreckers]] after the [[Oracle]] gives each of the groups assembled their tasks. He departs from Nightscream and [[Optimus Primal]] there. {{storylink|Departure}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Mol is presumed deceased after his half of the ship is jettisoned by [[Packrat]] and explodes.{{Storylink|Betrayal}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Beast Machines===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Mol&#039;&#039;&#039; (Basic, 2001)&lt;br /&gt;
: Mol is a red and yellow mechanical mole. He features a quick-change transformation and a buzzsaw-shaped missile.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Mol recolor burro.jpg|thumb| [[wikipedia: Spore_(game)|&amp;quot;Why do you abuse my game so?&amp;quot;]] ]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Mol&#039;&#039;&#039; (Basic, 2001)&lt;br /&gt;
: The &amp;quot;[[running change]]&amp;quot; [[redeco]] of Mol retains all his original features, but now in blue and green. The color changes were not reflected on the packaging, which still showed the original colors.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* The redeco of Mol was—according to store listings—originally supposed to be named &amp;quot;Burro&amp;quot;, just as the other two redecoed Deployers were to be renamed. Why this plan changed is unknown.&lt;br /&gt;
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==External Links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Mol/mol.htm Mol at TFU.info]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category: Wreckers]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Megatron (Movie)</title>
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:&#039;&#039;Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|2007 movie franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]]. He is often referred to as Lord Megatron. Known to humans as both &amp;quot;The Ice Man&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;The Mega-Man&amp;quot; and more formally as [[Non-Biological Extraterrestrial|N.B.E.]] - 01&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie_Megatron_Defiance3.jpg|thumb|300px|Friends, [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticonians]], countrybots, lend me your audio receptors!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[brother]] of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] as well as former [[Lord High Protector]] and co-ruler of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], &#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; is vicious and extremely powerful, single-minded in his goals, straight forward and brutally direct in his attempts to seize those goals. He is all &amp;quot;blunt force&amp;quot; in contrast to [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream&#039;s]] penchant for deceit and trickery. On the downside, Megatron tends to become so obsessed with the object of his desires that he can ignore &amp;quot;secondary&amp;quot; matters, glaring flaws in his plans (otherwise, he likely wouldn&#039;t have melted into ice-cold arctic water after being white hot from falling through [[Earth]]&#039;s atmosphere, and spent ten-thousand years as a [[wikipedia:popsicle|popsicle]], and even crippling injuries in pursuit of the coveted item. Trying to talk Megatron out of blindly going for his goals is useless. He will risk his world, his troops, and even his own [[spark]] to achieve his goals. These things do not matter to Megatron. Even the destruction of the [[Autobot]]s is a secondary concern. In Megatron&#039;s cerebral processor, all that matters is the [[All Spark]].&lt;br /&gt;
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While [[Megatron (disambiguation)|some]] merely dislike or disregard organics (since they have a tendency to get in their way), Megatron feels a violent hatred towards them and seems to view them as only slightly above a virus, with him as the cure. This may be due to having spent decades as their prisoner, but his hatred is still very extreme. If there was no All Spark, it is not that big a stretch to think he&#039;d have come here anyway, just to cleanse one more planet of its infection.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|You still fight for the weak! That is why &#039;&#039;you lose!&#039;&#039;|Megatron to Optimus|[[Transformers (2007)|Transformers]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===IDW &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; movie comics===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Defiance1 Megs Prime argument.jpg|left|350px|thumb|&amp;quot;Know your place, boy!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Many years ago, Protector Megatron was the supreme commander of the Cybertronian defense forces and firm leader of all of Cybertron, protecting their world against all hostile threats. When Commander [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] returned from his patrol in the [[Eshems Nebula]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus]] was reporting on the science sector&#039;s continuing excavation of the site near the temple at [[Simfur]] and the unusual pulse waves that the [[All Spark]] had been emitting ever since work began. At the excavation site, while Optimus and the scientists were concerned with disturbing the ancient artifacts, all Megatron cared about was whether these relics might provide the same revitalising energy as the All Spark. He was nettled when Optimus asserted the science division&#039;s dominion over all scientific and archaeological discoveries and reminded his junior that it is the defence force that protects this world and demanded to be informed of all possible threats from the excavation&#039;s findings. When Optimus dared remind Megatron of the military&#039;s treatment of such discoveries as hostile, Megatron told Optimus that when &#039;&#039;he&#039;&#039; tries to be the leader of Cybertron, he can make those decisions, not now. When a mysterious relic was discovered, Megatron ordered it removed at once, a demand that Optimus disagreed with. Just as the pair were about to launch into another argument, Cybertron was under attack. Megatron had the relic moved to his quarters under the guise of protecting it from the invading aliens. Arriving to find [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and [[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] seeking cover within the temple of Simfur, Megatron chastised their alleged lack of courage before he was hit by an alien tank vehicle. After destroying it, he told Starscream to keep Optimus&#039; team out of the military&#039;s way and staggered back to his quarters in the capital of [[Trypticon (Movie)|Trypticon]]. Drawn towards the relic, he ignored his injuries and scraped away at the layers of debris encrusting it before losing consciousness.  {{storylink|Defiance issue 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Defiance2_Megatron_warrally.jpg|thumb|250px|Mein Führer!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The relic used what little power it had left to repair Megatron&#039;s wounds. At first Megatron was angry, demanding the being to show himself to the Protector of Cybertron. The relic explained that it was unable to do so without Megatron&#039;s help, and if he helped, the relic would make him &#039;&#039;&#039;Lord&#039;&#039;&#039; of Cybertron. Then the relic fired beams of energy into Megatron&#039;s mind, explaining what needed to be done and filling him with dreams of grandeur. When Optimus came looking for the Protector, Megatron had changed. He had become even more aggressive in his speech and demeanor, and what&#039;s more, he demanded Optimus gather his scientists to go to war. When Optimus explained his science division were not combat-trained, Megatron shot back that the scientists should have known the aliens were after the All Spark. Optimus refused, stating that the army&#039;s mission was of defense, and it went against everything their society was based upon to make war. Megatron slammed Optimus into the wall and stated that then their society needs to &#039;&#039;change&#039;&#039;. Megatron held a massive saber-rattling war rally outside Trypticon, demanding vengeance upon the alien aggressors. He claimed that until the war ends, he would assume full control of the military, and everybody would answer to him. Megatron ordered all flight-capable cybertronians accompany him to the Eshems Nebula, where they launched a surprise attack against the still-unknown aliens. Megatron fought his way inside the alien flagship and personally executed the alien leader. After he was done, he ordered Starscream and his units to conduct a war of genocide: &#039;&#039;none&#039;&#039; of the aliens were to survive. {{storylink|Defiance issue 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|[[Defiance]] changes the past relationship between Megatron and Optimus Prime as previously seen in IDW&#039;s Prime Directive prequel and heard in the first movie opening, where they ruled side by side as equals. As presented here, Defiance establishes Optimus Prime as merely the leader of the Cybertronian science sector, and an underling to Megatron.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Megatron Targetcomic sure.jpg|left|150px|thumb|&amp;quot;Sit, boy—or I&#039;ll beat you to death.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Megatron once ruled Cybertron side-by-side with Optimus Prime. For generations, the two ruled in peace. Megatron was firm, but Prime was fair, creating a nice, even balance. Sadly, he got a jonesing for the All Spark and the war started. Megatron formed an army of separatists, the Decepticons, while Prime formed his own army, the Autobots. Megatron&#039;s forces, while less noble, were more ferocious warriors. Prime eventually made the decision to launch the All Spark into deep space. {{storylink|Prime Directive (IDW) issue 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MovieMegatron Bumblebee torture comic.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Better get some ice on that.]]&lt;br /&gt;
During an assault on the Autobots personally led by Megatron and his hound, [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]], Megatron crushed an opponent&#039;s spark before casually tossing his corpse over his shoulder. Megatron declared that the All Spark would be his, to which Blackout assured his leader that he would make sure of it. Megatron was pleased by his minion&#039;s loyalty, but dispatched him to assist Starscream&#039;s unit in preventing Optimus Prime&#039;s reinforcements from entering Tyger Pax. He then left to meet his destiny, but it slipped from his grasp.  {{storylink|Planetfall}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] stalled Megatron long enough for it to be launched into space, he tore off Bumblebee&#039;s arm and crushed his voice box, then took off into space after the All Spark.  {{storylink|Prime Directive (IDW) issue 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As Megatron tracked the All Spark through space, he mused about his reasons for the war and how he and his brother were not all that different, as seen by Optimus&#039; sentencing their home to a slow death by launching the Cube into space. Locating the All Spark on [[Earth|a primitive world]], he lost contact with it upon reentry and crashes into the planet&#039;s icy northern pole. Low on [[Energon (G1)|energon]] and his safety buffers exhausted, Megatron went into stasis lock. Millennia later, [[Archibald Witwicky]], the leader of the National Arctic Circle Expedition discovered Megatron buried deep in the ice. Unfortunately, Witwicky was driven blind and insane by what he saw, attracting the attention of a mysterious group that discredited his story and seized the mysterious &amp;quot;Ice Man&amp;quot;. Six years later, they foundd the Cube. {{storylink|Prime Directive (IDW) issue 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Earth year of 1935, Megatron was moved to [[Hoover Dam]], where he would remain imprisoned, for the next seven decades. {{storylink|Prime Directive (IDW) issue 3}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beginnings&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Frank Welker]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Titan Magazines &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; movie comic===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:MegatronMovie_GeoffSenior.jpg|right|150px|thumb|&#039;&#039;The Beast and its armies shall rise from the pit to make war against God.&#039;&#039;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The All Spark had not been blindly launched into space, however - its trajectory was leading it directly towards the [[Alkaris Anomaly]], a wormhole that could potentially transport the cube to any one of an infinite number of locations in the universe. Megatron was fully capable of catching up to the cube before it would enter the wormhole, but as he passed Cybertron&#039;s moon, he found himself ensnared by an Autobot tractor beam of remarkable strength that pulled him down to the moon&#039;s surface. &lt;br /&gt;
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Enraged by the ignominy of it all, Megatron turned his weapons on the Autobots responsible, but quickly calmed down enough to realize that this was only playing into their hands, and instead ordered [[Brawl (Movie)|Devastator]] to take his place in the battle. Megatron swooped back into space, hot on the All Spark&#039;s heels, but was unable to stop the cube from falling through the anomaly. Determined to have the All Spark&#039;s power, Megatron chose to enter the wormhole himself, only to be spat out in some far-off star system, with no trace of the All Spark... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|The following events occur in an alternate timeline/continuity where Megatron won the battle of Mission City.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another reality, he defeated Optimus at [[Mission City]], killed Sam Witwicky and took control of the All Spark. He was fully linked to it and drew on its power - &amp;quot;It is me and I am it!&amp;quot; - giving him greater might and the ability to heal any wound. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12|Twilight&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part: 4}} &lt;br /&gt;
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After conquering an unknown chunk of Earth (including the entire [[United States of America]]) with [[Dropkick]] as his second-in-command, he used the All Spark&#039;s power to start turning Earth from an organic world into a new Cybertron. Optimus Prime lay frozen in the [[Hoover Dam|old Sector Seven base]], Autobot resistance was scattered, and NATO&#039;s threat to nuke occupied America was hardly much of one. [[Image:Megatron Bumbleslap.jpg|left|350px|thumb|&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Sigh&#039;&#039; Even mindless violence seems boring today...&amp;quot;]] The only thing bothering Megatron was those rebels breaking into Hoover Dam... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 9|Twilight&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part: 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Megatron personally arrived to face [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and hunted for him, trying to bait him into appearing. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 10|Twilight&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part: 2}} Realising the Autobot must have come with a human ally, he deliberately threatened to go after the human and thus got an emotional Bumblebee to make a defiant attack... at which point he backhanded Bumblebee into the wall and prepared to eviscerate him. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 11|Twilight&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part: 3}} He gave the Autobot a chance at a swift death if he begged for mercy, and was quite impressed when Bumblebee merely asked &amp;quot;that all you got?&amp;quot;, but was less impressed when Autobot reinforcements arrived. [[Image:Megatron Titan12.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Megatron&#039;s BDSM Dungeon just wasn&#039;t meeting expectations.]] He effortlessly smashed them aside and was about to kill [[Skyblast (Movie)|Skyblast]] when a new challenger arrived: the revived Optimus! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 12|Twilight&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part: 4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Optimus Prime got the snot beaten out of him, every attack he landed on Megatron being repaired by All Spark power. However, he distracted Megatron long enough for Bumblebee to hit him with the &#039;&#039;other&#039;&#039; thing they&#039;d broken into the Dam for: Sector Seven&#039;s greatest weapon, a nanovirus that targeted All Spark operation frequencies. Infected, the tyrant was consumed from within by his own power and collapsed dead.  {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 13|Twilight&#039;s Last Gleaming, Part: 5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Or so it appeared. He&#039;d downloaded his mind into the All Spark interface module, knowing Starscream would take it and assimilate it into himself. And so Megatron was able to be a voice in Starscream&#039;s head for weeks and weeks—and finally, when Starscream had suffered a setback and wanted a plan to stop the Autobots, Megatron gave him one: to let him out... {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 22|The Decepticon Who Haunted Himself}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While Starscream didn&#039;t, he &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; follow Megatron&#039;s tactical suggestions. He had the Decepticons use both carrot (promise of truce) &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; stick (multiple attacks) to make the US government, prompted by [[Theodore Allen|the mind-controlled President Allen]], boot out the Autobots—and then nuke them as they left, giving the Decepticons a clear shot at reconquest! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 23|Revolution Part 1}} This plan backfired when [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]] intervened, and Megatron visited a broken, gibbering Starscream to once again tell him the only way out was to release him and let him walk the Earth again. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Revolution Part 2}} &lt;br /&gt;
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This time Starscream &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039;...&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Ghosts of Yesterday&#039;&#039; prequel novel===&lt;br /&gt;
When Megatron came online, it was obvious that some time had passed. Not only was he encased in a primitive transport, but there were [[Human|lifeforms]] fighting over him. Before Megatron could properly exterminate them, another crude transport crashed into his, causing a massive (but not spark-threatening) explosion. Megatron would have been pleased to know that the fire only added to his terrifying visage in the eyes of the maggots. Regaining his composure, Megatron noticed [[Phillip Nolan|an insect]] standing near him. As Megatron reached out to grab it, [[Thomas Kinnear|another insect]], this one terminally damaged, began firing crude projectiles which his body armor easily deflected. Waiting until after the creature had expended its ammunition, Megatron grabbed it in his hand, only to discover that it had packed itself with explosives, which threw Megatron to the ground when they detonated. Then, the aforementioned first insect began spraying liquid nitrogen on Megatron, causing him to go back into stasis. Unable to escape, Megatron screamed a dark vengeance upon his captors. {{storylink|Ghosts of Yesterday}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; (2007 movie)===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Hugo Weaving]] (English), [[Kōtarō Nakamura]] (Japan), [[José Santacruz]] (Brazil), [[Hans-Jürgen Wolf]] (German)&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Megstheiceman.JPG|left|200px|thumb|When I get out, you are SO DEAD!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Megatron eventually succeeded in tracking the All Spark to [[Earth]], where he rather embarrassingly crash-landed in the Arctic Circle and was frozen solid for thousands of years. In 1897, some 100 Earth-years before the arrival of the other Transformers, he was discovered by an explorer named [[Archibald Witwicky|Archibald Amundsen Witwicky]]. Captain Witwicky accidentally activated Megatron&#039;s navigation system and caused the coordinates of the All Spark to be etched onto the explorer&#039;s glasses. Megatron remained imprisoned in the Arctic, until the 1930s, when he was dug out by the United States government and moved to a secret [[Sector Seven]] stronghold inside [[Hoover Dam]]. In the years that followed, many modern devices (by Earth standards) were reverse-engineered from his frozen body.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the present day, having searched the galaxy for the All Spark and being drawn to Earth, the remaining Decepticons learned of Witwicky&#039;s glasses. Through the Internet, they determined the location of both Megatron and the All Spark inside Hoover Dam. [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]] infiltrated the dam and shut down the power systems, while Starscream attacked the external powerlines, resulting in Megatron&#039;s thawing out. Once again online, the leader of the Decepticons informed the worthless insects of his true name, shouting &amp;quot;I am Megatron!&amp;quot; (to clear up all that N.B.E.-01/Ice Man nonsense), randomly killed a few of them while destroying his former prison, then transformed and flew off after the All Spark again. He met up with Starscream on the outside, and, never one for pleasantries, demanded to know where the Cube was. Upon learning that the humans had moved the All Spark, Megatron berated Starscream for yet another failure. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Megatron breakout.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Mace isn&#039;t for spraying, it&#039;s for hitting.]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Starscream and Devastator&#039;s opening attacks in [[Mission City]], Megatron arrived, and again declared his name (he really wants people to know who he is). The Autobots were so panicked by the sight of their long lost nemesis that [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] called for a temporary retreat. Megatron blasted [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] away when the diminutive Autobot attempted to attack, then threw him into the air before crushing him on top of a tower with his clawed talons. Jazz vainly fought on, asking if Megatron wanted a &amp;quot;piece&amp;quot;, but doing little damage to Megatron. The Decepticon leader killed the Autobot by tearing him in half, callously declaring that he wanted &amp;quot;two&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Megatron jetmode cityfight.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Whoa, that energon&#039;s not settling too well.]]&lt;br /&gt;
As [[Sam Witwicky|the human boy]] ran off with the All Spark, Megatron ordered the Decepticons to [[Decepticons, attack|attack]]. Devastator attacked the armed insects, while Starscream and [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] fought [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and Ratchet for the All Spark. At that moment, Optimus Prime appeared and challenged Megatron. Millennia in the ice had done nothing to lessen the animosity Megatron felt for his brother, however. Barely managing to growl out Prime&#039;s name, he transformed and flew at Prime at full speed. The Autobot leader leapt and grabbed a hold of Megatron, who slammed him into a building before flying right through a skyscraper. Both leaders landed in the middle of an intersection, but Megatron was the first to recover and leaped upon his brother, snarling that the humans were undeserving of life. Optimus Prime replied that they had the right to choose for themselves before he threw his brother off. Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should &amp;quot;join them in extinction&amp;quot;, forming his [[fusion cannon]]. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his [[ion blaster]] and fired, hitting Megatron. The Decepticon leader shrugged off this attack, spun around from the momentum and fired his cannon, throwing Optimus Prime into the side of a building.&lt;br /&gt;
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Megatron pursued the young human who had removed the All Spark from Hoover Dam, destroying everything that stood in his way. The boy ran to a dilapidated building that was the designated coordinates for a human military evacuation team, and Megatron smashed his way through, yelling that he could smell the human maggot. Starscream destroyed the helicopter intended to take the All Spark, and Megatron burst through the floor, inquiring if it was courage or fear that compelled him. Finally cornering him on a ledge, Megatron offered that if the human gave him the All Spark, the boy might live as [[Ravage (G1)|his]] [[Laserbeak (G1)|pet]]. The Decepticon leader relished the human&#039;s defiant refusal and destroyed the ledge the human was standing upon, sending the boy tumbling to the ground.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Megatron maceattack.jpg|right|200px|thumb|This would have been so much cooler if it had been a chain mine.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Unfortunately, the human was caught by Optimus Prime, who then tried to escape down the side of the building before Megatron tackled him and sent all three slamming into the pavement. As a nearby [[Michael Bay|human bystander]] attempted to run, the Decepticon expressed his disgust at the insect&#039;s proximity and flicked it away. Protecting the young boy, Prime declared that their war would end here and it was now just between the two brothers. Though lusting for the All Spark, Megatron decided to indulge his brother&#039;s obvious death wish, declaring that only he was in this fight. Despite Optimus Prime&#039;s best efforts, Megatron was relentless, matching the Autobot leader with blow after devastating blow until he collapsed. Adding insult to injury, Megatron informed Prime that his defense of the &amp;quot;weak&amp;quot; was the real reason he lost.  &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Megatron allspark merge.JPG|left|300px|thumb|Oh, he&#039;s dead. There&#039;s no way this will make him [[Galvatron (disambiguation)|even]] [[Galvatron (G1)|more]] [[Megatron (RID)|powerful.]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Decepticon leader turned his attention back to the human boy, but was suddenly attacked by the human fighter jets and [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]]&#039;s ground soldiers firing sabot rounds. Optimus took this chance, striking Megatron and knocking him down. His armor a damaged, shattered mess, Megatron ignored the punishment and focused on the human boy, growling that he would kill the boy and that the All Spark was his. As Optimus Prime ordered the boy to place the All Spark into his chest, the human instead pushed it into the now-exposed [[spark]] in Megatron&#039;s chest, overloading him with energy and extinguishing the Decepticon&#039;s life force. As Optimus Prime stood over Megatron&#039;s lifeless shell, watching the light flicker out of his brother&#039;s [[Sensors#Optical sensors|optics]], he remarked somberly, yet remorsefully, that Megatron had left him no choice, and removed a shard of the All Spark from his brother&#039;s spark cavity.&lt;br /&gt;
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Megatron&#039;s body was dumped into the Laurentian Abyss at its deepest point, along with the remains of the other Decepticons, where the near-freezing temperatures will—[[Decepticon Headquarters|hopefully]]—keep them dormant indefinitely. {{storylink|Transformers (2007)|Transformers}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Megatron was &#039;&#039;born&#039;&#039; evil, always wanting domination of everything. {{storylink|#Voyager Class toys|Voyager Megatron}} His fiery diatribes still managed to sway thousands, however. {{storylink|#Robot Replicas|Robot Replica Megatron}}&lt;br /&gt;
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At some point, he took a stealth mode so he could attack Optimus without warning. {{storylink|#Voyager Class toys|Voyager Megatron}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When frozen on Earth, he remained vaguely conscious and remembers a few things from when he warmed up slightly. At one point, his body was worshipped as a god by [[protohuman]]s. {{storylink|#Fast Action Battlers|Night Attack Megatron}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===IDW &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; movie comics===&lt;br /&gt;
In the aftermath of the battle in Mission City, [[Sector Seven]] hauled away Megatron&#039;s corpse along with the other Decepticon bodies. The clandestine human organisation brought the bodies to a secret facility in the Nevada desert, with the intention of getting every bit of information they can out of the dead Decepticons before they were forced to dump them into the sea. {{storylink|Alliance issue 1}} When he arrived to oversee the burial of those who fell in Mission City, Optimus Prime noticed the surviving All Spark fragment glowed when near Megatron&#039;s body, and gave it to [[Professor Vine]] for safekeeping. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2}} Weeks later, Megatron, along with Blackout, was dumped into the Laurentian Abyss. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Revenge of the Fallen&#039;&#039; movie===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Hugo Weaving]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; The Game===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Frank Welker]]&lt;br /&gt;
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====Autobot campaign====&lt;br /&gt;
After arriving at Hoover Dam, Bumblebee saw Megatron and the All Spark being held in the same room, which was guarded by lasers. After bringing down the lasers, Bumblebee managed to shrink the All Spark, while under fire by Megatron. Following the Autobots to Mission City, Megatron ignominiously &amp;quot;flicked&amp;quot; Bumblebee away, then tried to grab the All Spark from Sam. Optimus Prime arrived and the two fought in the Mission City park. After Prime believed that he had destroyed Megatron, Sam handed the All Spark to Prime, but Megatron jumped into the air with his flail, making one last attempt at nailing Prime. Prime caught the flail in its path and yanked Megatron towards him, shoving the All Spark into his chest. Pretty ruthless there, Prime, pretty ruthless.  {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Decepticon campaign====&lt;br /&gt;
After learning Megatron&#039;s location, Blackout and Starscream sabotaged the dam&#039;s power, allowing Megatron to thaw out and awaken. After Megatron emerged, Starscream and Blackout bowed before their Lord, who declared that they had much to do. After the Decepticons dispatched the Autobots, Megatron, hoping to draw Prime out, went on a rampage in Mission City, declaring that the city would burn beneath his feet (this means toastie toes, but he&#039;s willing to make that sacrifice). Megatron and Prime played a game of cat and mouse, with Megatron tracking Prime and Sam, until Megatron finally destroyed Prime, then merged the All Spark with his spark, becoming even more powerful in the process (...wait, what?). After decimating Earth, Megatron took the [[Abraham Lincoln|Lincoln Memorial]] as his throne, then ordered Starscream, Brawl, and Barricade to finish the planet, before going on to conquer the galaxy. {{storylink|Transformers The Game (console)|Transformers The Game}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Autobots&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
Having landed on Earth some thousands of years ago, Megatron is thought to be frozen somewhere in the Arctic.  As the Autobots look for clues as to his location, they eventually arrive in the frozen desert long enough to realize the humans have found him, as well as the [[All Spark|AllSpark]] (sic). Once they hack into the communications array at the base, they find documentation leading to the Hoover Dam, where the Autobots and Decepticons race. Some wishing to free him, most hoping to destroy him, the Transformers fight over the base until the Decepticon leader is finally freed. Once out of cryo-storage, Megatron proceeds to steal the AllSpark from the Autobots and begin a destructive rampage through Tranquility, until he is finally defeated by Optimus Prime and [[Create-A-Bot (Autobot)|Create-A-Bot]].  {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Autobots}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Decepticons&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
With Megatron frozen in the Hoover Dam, the Decepticons fight to free their leader. However, as is quickly made apparent, Starscream and his young protege, a [[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|Create-A-Bot]], seek to eliminate their leader. This quickly changes, as Create-A-Bot is convinced by Barricade to free their commander, as Starscream is a back-stabbing bureaucrat while Megatron is a truly zealous leader. Even though both would kill you in an instant, Megatron would at least do it to your face so you could see it coming.&lt;br /&gt;
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Once free, Megatron quickly takes the time to wipe out Jazz, who has been left at the bridge to help get rid of Megatron. After a fairly short battle, Megatron smashes Jazz into the dirt, leaving him to die.  Back in Tranquility, he chases after Starscream, only to be blocked by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. Once the sibling rivalry is finished, Prime is left in pieces in the streets of Tranquility.&lt;br /&gt;
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Arriving in the Casino Strip, Megatron finds Create-A-Bot damaged and Starscream flying away. Giving chase, he attacks his traitorous second-in-command, nearly destroying him despite his awesome All Spark driven powers. Starscream uses his last breath to insult Megatron before being killed by the tyrant. Returning to Create-A-Bot&#039;s side, Megatron takes a moment to call him a weakling and a failure, completely forgetting about the fact that Create-A-Bot saved him, led him to Starscream, destroyed the Autobots, and served him more loyally than most of his other followers. Taking a moment to let this sink in, Megatron went on to tell him that the weak are made to serve the strong, then ripped the young Decepticon apart and ate his Spark.  Megatron then took off into the sky with intentions unknown. {{storylink|Transformers Autobots/Decepticons|Transformers: Decepticons}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Revenge of the Fallen:&#039;&#039; The Game===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Frank Welker]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Transformers (2007)===&lt;br /&gt;
====Legends Class toys====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie Legends Megatron toy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Just what the hell do I turn into?]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Legends Class, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese name:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;EZ Collection Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:Legends class Megatron is the smallest mainline &#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Megatron toy, and boy, does it show. Even with Megatron&#039;s relatively simple transformation sequence, the sheer simplicity of the Legends class toy means that his vehicle mode is basically his robot mode splayed out, and again, boy is it &#039;&#039;obvious&#039;&#039;. His robot mode is passably accurate, if by accurate one means he is now a hunchback with wings for legs, Dustbusters for hands, and an unchanged Alien Queen-esque head design.&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Generations Legends&#039;&#039;&#039; (Target exclusive multi-pack, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TargetGenerationsLegends.jpg|thumb|Megatorn is quite beside himself.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:A Target exclusive, this four-pack of Legends Class figures contains two versions of both Optimus Prime and Megatron, namely [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Movie Legends Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Armada)|Legends of Cybertron Megatron]] and Movie Legends Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Allspark Legends pack.jpg|right|150px|thumb|&amp;quot;Quick, Bumblebee! I hold up Megatron, you just fight with the others!&amp;quot; - &amp;quot;...I hate you.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Battle for the Allspark&#039;&#039;&#039; (Toys&#039;R&#039;Us exclusive multi-pack, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
:A Toys&#039;R&#039;Us exclusive, this six-pack of Legends Class figures contains unmodified toys of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], Megatron, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Legends JazzIceMegatron toys.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Wow, those guys sure do grow up fast... No, wait. They&#039;re still puny.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Battle Jazz vs. Ice Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Legends multi-pack, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
:Ice Megatron is a, well, ice-themed redeco of Legends class Megatron, which means his black paint applications have been replaced by blue. He comes packed with yet another redeco of Legends class Jazz, this time &amp;quot;battle damaged&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Voyager Class toys====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie Voyager Megatron toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hey, I think I&#039;m as weird as the War Within figures!... Nah, not there yet.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Voyager Class, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;MD-14&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Projectile&lt;br /&gt;
:Voyager Class Megatron transforms into an ice-covered version of his Cybertronic jet, with transparent blue plastic forming large portions of his vehicle mode, such as parts of his wings. This ice design is carried onto his robot mode, with his legs, shoulders and chest having some kind of &#039;ice&#039; plastic covering them. With a significantly different (and simple compared to other figures of the same pricepoint) transformation sequence compared to his earlier Leader class toy, his chest frost lowers and his shoulders raise to robot mode position when you bring his lower body forward thanks to [[Automorph]] technology. He also has his fusion cannon in its entirety on his left arm. His wings feature flip-out &amp;quot;ice blades&amp;quot;, and pulling on a piece in the back of his jet mode brings them forward like pincer claws. This design is remarkably similar to his Predacon- incarnation toys. &lt;br /&gt;
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:Something interesting to note is that his feet are entirely spring-loaded, which means his foot and the two &amp;quot;rear toes&amp;quot; on each feet automatically close up when he&#039;s not standing up. Surprisingly, this helps a lot with the posing, as the feet&#039;s parts automatically position themselves for the perfect balance. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Movie Voyager Premium Megatron.jpg|right|250px|thumb|I&#039;ll ask again... what the hell do I turn into?]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Premium Series&amp;quot; Voyager Class, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Projectile&lt;br /&gt;
:One of the first figures available in the &#039;&#039;Premium Series&#039;&#039; (although not explicitly identfied on the packaging as such), Voyager Class Megatron was released exclusively at Best Buy on October 16th, 2007 alongside the North American launch of the &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; movie DVD. Megatron has been completely redecoed, covering most of his previously grey parts with metallic silver paint and a black paint wash over the top of that. Black and gold highlights are used to offset all of the silver, while the transparent &#039;ice&#039; parts are clear. These changes essentially make Megatron far more accurate to his movie appearance.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Megatron is presented in robot mode inside a special display box similar in shape to the packaging for the Hasbro release of &#039;&#039;Generation 1&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;Masterpiece&#039;&#039; [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]].&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Battle Over Mission City Megatron (Two-Pack)&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Screen Battles&amp;quot; Voyager Class, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Projectile&lt;br /&gt;
:A Target exclusive [[repaint]] of Voyager Class Megatron in primarily beige and chocolate brown colors with brown paintwashes, this version replaces the ice colored translucent plastic with two shades of translucent orange to replicate a look that resembles Megatron&#039;s firey demise (or atmospheric re-entry). Unlike the previous releases, this version&#039;s wings are painted to match the body color, so they give the appearance of molten slag. This version was only available in a two-pack with a mostly unchanged Deluxe Class [[Jazz (Movie)|Final Battle Jazz]] in reference to their fight on the skyscraper featured in the film. As the colors on this Megatron are very similar to the colors on the Screen Battles version of Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], it might be assumed that those two sets are meant to also represent the climactic final battle at the end of the film.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Leader Class toys====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie Leader Megatron toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|OK, Hasbro, I will give you one more chance... TELL ME WHAT I TURN INTO!!! NOW!!!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Leader Class, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;MD-07&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:Leader Class &#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Megatron transforms into a silver Cybertronic assault jet. He is quite accurate to the CGI design... except for the giant mass of legs attempting (but failing) to hide under the wings.&lt;br /&gt;
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:In robot mode, Megatron&#039;s sculpt is quite accurate, or as accurate as a toy based on his CG design can be. However, his paint decoration is quite inaccurate, with blue highlights on various parts of his body, possibly to allude to his pre-frozen state and to give a relatively monochromatic figure more color. More confusing is his jet black face, which obscures the sculpt&#039;s details and is inaccurate to the movie appearance&#039;s gunmetal.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Megatron&#039;s right fist disconnects at the wrist to become the spiked end of the extendable &amp;quot;chain whip&amp;quot; weapon concealed within his forearm; pressing the black switch on the arm pulls the chain taut for a whipping attack. His arms also link together at the wrists to form a &amp;quot;[[fusion cannon]],&amp;quot; with the pod on his left forearm concealing the weapon&#039;s [[Automorph]]ing twin barrels, exposed by pulling a switch. His other automorph features include his wings folding up as his vehicle nosecone is moved into place, and his feet unfolding as his knees are straightened. Finally, pressing the button on his waist activates a small friction motor, which moves various torso plates and blades on his back into place, accompanied by a metallic shrieking sound and flashing yellow lights.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Megatron&#039;s instructions summarily fail to actually tell the reader about how his gimmicks work. The whipping-action black switch for his flail is not mentioned; they do not detail how to connect the arms for fusion cannon mode; and the fact that the cannon is on a slider, allowing it to be centre-aligned, rather than sitting off to one side, is also omitted.&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is an error in Megatron&#039;s legs, in that his left and right hip joints have been swapped for reasons unknown. Switching them allows for a slightly smoother transformation. In addition to &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039;, both of Megatron&#039;s hands have a finger misassembly. Two pieces are molded to have two fingers, while one is obviously supposed to be a thumb–however, this thumb is on the &#039;outside&#039; of his hands instead of the inside. The prototype on the packaging&#039;s stock photos show the correct assembly.&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Geez&#039;&#039;, [[Hasbro]].&lt;br /&gt;
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:Possibly a dropped feature [[for safety reasons]], the right fist (partly a projectile tethered to the arm) is designed to launch out of his wrist via a spring-loaded firing mechanism. However, the spring for the launching mechanism was removed, though the firing trigger remains. One can either find a compatible spring or steal the spring in his left arm fusion cannon, then place it in his right forearm, though this disables his fusion cannon-retracting Automorph.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Premium Movie Megs.JPG|right|300px|thumb|&amp;quot;Hey, I got a tan!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Premium Series&amp;quot; Leader Class, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
:Premium Megatron is a redeco of the previously released Leader class Megatron. The figure is now given far more movie-accurate paint applications of black, gold, &amp;amp; silver. Premium Megatron also features the classic transformation sound when the chest Automorph function is activated. The original &amp;quot;metal shriek&amp;quot; sound is retained when the sound button is pressed in vehicle mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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:In the promotional photos of the toy, this version was pictured with a new vehicle mode face cover that fit the new head better. However, this retool was apparently dropped before actual production but can still be seen on the box back photography. All manufacturing errors from the first release are still present.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Unlike some of the early &amp;quot;Premium Series&amp;quot; toys, Premium Leader Megatron was mass-released at a variety of retailers, instead of being an exclusive to any particular store.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Fast Action Battlers====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie FAB Megatron.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Just back from filming Predator 3]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Fusion Blast Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Fast Action Battler, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; 2 projectiles&lt;br /&gt;
:Fusion Blast Megatron is a simple version of Megatron with dorky-looking proportions in robot mode, and it turns into an even dorkier-looking vehicle mode. The transformation sequence manages to be even more simple and non-involved than the other &#039;&#039;Movie&#039;&#039; Megatron toys by means of an Automorph feature very similar to the early Beast Wars flipchangers. Moving his back section down causes the torso to flip up, hiding the head and positioning the arms skywards. Though the figure requires a little more repositioning and folding, most of the transformation is done with a single step.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:NA megatron FAB.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Racism accepted...]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Night Attack Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Fast Action Battler, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; 2 projectiles&lt;br /&gt;
:A redeco of Fast Action Battler Megatron, this time cast primarily in black plastic, with opaque grey missiles.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Robot Replicas====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Mov2007-toy RobotReplicas Megatron.JPG|right|150px|thumb|This is heavy man!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Robot Replica, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Fusion Cannon&lt;br /&gt;
:As part of the [[Robot Replicas]] sub-line, this version of Megatron is a non-transforming action figure that hews very close to the movie&#039;s CGI model. It features joints similar to the [[Revoltech]] toys, though the elbows only turn from side-to-side, giving him extremely limited arm articulation. His forearms can be replaced with his fusion cannon accessory (or any other arm attachments from other Robot Replicas, which could lead to some fun Frankensteins). &lt;br /&gt;
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====Titanium series====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie TitaniumRM Megatron.jpg|right|130px|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (3&amp;quot; Robot Masters, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Movie-style Decepticon sigil display stand&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Titanum&#039;&#039; Megatron is a die-cast metal and plastic figurine, with an accurate sculpt based on the CG model owing to the fact he doesn&#039;t need to transform. Being a figurine, he only has articulation in his shoulders, neck and waist. Megatron comes with a Movie-style Decepticon symbol display stand.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Attacktix====&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Battle Masters Megatron and Scorponok&#039;&#039;&#039; (Battle Master set)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Attacktix-MovMegsScorp.jpg|right|150px|thumb|HADOOOUKEN!]]&lt;br /&gt;
:One of the many casualties of the shelving of Hasbro&#039;s  &#039;&#039;[[Attacktix]]&#039;&#039; line was this Battle Master set featuring Megatron and Scorponok.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Revenge of the Fallen===&lt;br /&gt;
====Voyager Class Toys====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ROTF_Voyager_Megatron_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|First blue, then green. Watch, in the next movie, it&#039;ll be red.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2009)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Missile&lt;br /&gt;
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:The second mainline &#039;&#039;[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]&#039;&#039; Megatron toy is more accurate in terms of sculpt than the larger Leader class Megatron, as it was based (more or less) on the finalized Megatron design, and as such, features a sleeker tank mode, a large lobster-claw like right arm and a normal-sized left arm. It is unknown why he is cast in green plastic, however...&lt;br /&gt;
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====Leader Class Toys====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ROTF_Leader_Megatron.jpg|thumb|250px|Beefcake!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2009)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;RD-01&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Missile&lt;br /&gt;
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:The first and largest &#039;&#039;Revenge of the Fallen&#039;&#039; Megatron toy is actually one of the more inaccurate. While Megatron&#039;s body is generally true to the final CG design, his arms are actually from early concept designs where Megatron had a right arm that deployed a sword and also had a very thin, gimpy-looking left arm, as opposed to the final Megatron CG&#039;s crab pincer/fusion cannon right arm and normal-sized left arm.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Megatron transforms into a cybertronic tank, though it is not as sleek and aerodynamic as the design it was based upon. In robot mode, Megatron&#039;s entire lower right arm is a spring-loaded missile launcher and the tank turret&#039;s armour/shroud can be positioned over to partially cover the cannon, with flip-out sword blade, as seen in the early concept design.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Fast Action Battlers====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ROTF_FAB_Megatron_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|I sure hope [[Wikipedia:Metal_Slug_(series)|SNK]] don&#039;t sue...]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Cannon Blast Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2009)&lt;br /&gt;
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====Power Bots====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ROTF_PowerBots_Megatron.jpg|thumb|150px|Super Fighting Robot- MEGAMAN!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2009)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
===Transformers (2007)===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:GummyCandyFront.jpg|right|100px|thumb|&amp;quot;Oh, How hideously (and deliciously) ironic!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Transformers Gummy Candy&#039;&#039;&#039; (2006)&lt;br /&gt;
:Made by the [[Frankford Candy &amp;amp; Chocolate Company]] at the behest of [[Hasbro|Hasbro&#039;s]] Cap Candy Company unit, this large Megatron-shaped [[Transformers Gummy Candy|gummy candy]] was available throughout 2006 to 2007. Also available was an [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]-shaped gummy candies.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Battling Robots Bubble Bath===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2007)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Megatron bubblebath.jpg|right|120px|thumb|&amp;quot;This is why I hate merchandising.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Megatron&#039;s torso attaches to the bottle of bubble bath. His elbows bend, and his arms have a punching gimmick, to allow him to battle the forces of good. Pushing a lever on either side makes the respective fist punch forward. He&#039;s removable, though not as easily held without the bottle below his waist. Like many pieces of Megatron merchandise, this &amp;quot;figure&amp;quot; uses the older head design with blue eyes.  The blue eyes are also the only spot of paint on him, unlike the elaborately decoed Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; Burger King free toy (2007)&lt;br /&gt;
:A non-transformable version of Megatron, cast primarily in gray plastic. The toy&#039;s entire &amp;quot;gimmick&amp;quot; is that both arms rotate at the shoulder. Due to the strict [[For safety reasons|protocols]] of making a fast food premium, Megatron&#039;s sharp and deadly design was forced to be smoothed out. This had the unfortunate effect of making his sculpted details meld together and looking less like a killer robot and more like a melted clay man. The toy &#039;&#039;appears&#039;&#039; to use the earlier head render of Megatron&#039;s, but due to the vague detail and paint job, may also not be.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The toy also comes with a purple plastic Decepticon base and a lenticular motion card with a surprising amount of frames of animation. These two pieces may in fact be the better part of the package.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Basic Fun====&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Figural keychain assortment, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
: Produced by [[Basic Fun]], this keychain is a likeness of Megatron&#039;s robot mode with articulated arms, legs, head, waist, and a keyring sticking out of his ass.  &lt;br /&gt;
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====Transformers Movie Danglers====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie Megatron dangler.jpg|right|200px|thumb|No, that&#039;s not his back, that&#039;s his actual face.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2007)&lt;br /&gt;
:Released by [[Tomy Yujin]] in November 2007&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;TomyYujin&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.gachausa.com/products/transformers.asp Tomy Yujin &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; page]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; for the [[Danglers Collection]], this toy is a weird plastic [[Super Deformed]] version of Megatron that pops out his vehicle mode when you squeeze him. This little figurine has a little strap on it so that it can be put on cell phones or portable gaming devices.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Other than Megatron, there are also versions of [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Devastator]], Bumblebee, Ironhide, Bonecrusher, Jazz, and Optimus Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Transformers Movie Screen Cleaners====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie Megatron screencleaner.jpg|right|104px|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2008)&lt;br /&gt;
:Released by Tomy Yujin on January 2008&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;TomyYujin&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;, this dangler is a faction logo-shaped screen cleaner for your cell phone, with a stock image of Megatron printed on the other side.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Robot Heroes===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Robot Heroes Ratchet vs Megatron.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Adorable head crushing!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Ratchet vs Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2007)&lt;br /&gt;
:The first Robot Heroes toy of Megatron was available packed with Autobot Ratchet. Like many Robot Heroes, he is grinning from ear to ear, and in a squatty pose. Notably, his hands are simplified into three fingered claws, and his head is a cute version of the original (and replaced) design. His articulation is the standard shoulders and neck. The toy is colored much like the Leader class version of the character.&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;The Final Battle&#039;&#039;&#039; (2008)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Robotheroesfinalbattle.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Shiny!]]&lt;br /&gt;
:Sold exclusively in Walmart stores, this release of Megatron is a repaint of the first Robot Heroes toy. Sold with redecoed Autobot Jazz, Blackout, Optimus Prime, and Ratchet, no molding was changed on this toy. However, the figure boasts a metallic finish, making the toy a vibrant silver with painted bronze highlights for greater film accuracy. &lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Battle Jazz vs Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2008)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Robotheroesjazzmegatron.jpg|right|150px|thumb|PRIIIIIIME!]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The second mold, sharing no parts with the first release. His right arm has transformed into the mace, and he&#039;s posed just after slamming it into the ground (with impact &amp;quot;explosion&amp;quot; molded in). The head is the &amp;quot;final&amp;quot; head design, but the toy has many outbursts of blue, either to make a more exciting deco or evoke him being &amp;quot;recently thawed&amp;quot;. Sadly, he is only articulated at the neck and LEFT shoulder, denying the world adorable mace bonking.&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Skids and Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (2009)&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Battle for the Allspark&#039;&#039;&#039; (2009)&lt;br /&gt;
:A redeco of the second Robot Heroes mold is included in this set representing the battle of [[Mission City]] along with a redeco of Decepticon Brawl, along with new figures of Ratchet (with his saw), [[Sam Witwicky]] with the All Spark Cube, Optimus Prime, Starscream and Bumblebee in vehicle mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Movie Megatron olduglyface.jpg|right|200px|thumb|I&#039;m blind!]]&lt;br /&gt;
* When the 2007 Bristol Comic Expo&#039;s Transformers panel got onto how fiddly the Movie designs were, Megatron was singled out as a prime example; one of the &#039;&#039;panel&#039;&#039; referred to him as &amp;quot;a walking chandelier&amp;quot;. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://panelborders.wordpress.com/2007/07/30/podcast-transformers-and-now/ Panel Borders (click &amp;quot;Download This Episode Now&amp;quot; link as others go to the wrong podcast)]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* The prototype photographs on the back of Leader and Voyager class Megatrons&#039; packaging show him with a completely different head based upon an earlier version of CGI design (seen on the right) that was dropped after much negative fan reaction.&lt;br /&gt;
* According to The Movie Guide, Megatron is one of the few Transformers capable of space travel without reverting to a Protoform. This explains how he was capable of chasing the All Spark &#039;&#039;immediately&#039;&#039; after its launch.&lt;br /&gt;
* According to [[The Quest For the Allspark]] paperback&#039;s opening paragraph, &amp;quot;...Most revered were Optimus and Megatron. They were twin brothers of the Prime dynasty.&amp;quot; This implies that Megatron may have also had the surname &amp;quot;Prime&amp;quot; at one time. &lt;br /&gt;
* Early script drafts and a [[Optimus Prime Versus Megatron|children&#039;s picture book]] featured Megatron consuming the [[spark]]s of his fallen foes, but this didn&#039;t make it into the final film due to time constraints. The novelisation of the movie, on the other hand, sees him chow down on Jazz in the final battle; similarly, although not outright stated in dialogue, his animalistic pouncing on the fallen bodies of various characters (including Optimus Prime, Starscream, Jazz and the [[Create-A-Bot (Decepticon)|Decepticon Create-A-Bot]]) in the Movie Nintendo DS games, following by what appears to be rooting around in their innards, seems to suggest he&#039;s doing the same there. &lt;br /&gt;
* Similarly, in the &#039;&#039;Autobots&#039;&#039; version of the same DS game, it is noted that Megatron &amp;quot;took the spark&amp;quot; of his and Optimus&#039; father. Presumably, this is a reference to both his cannibalistic practises as well as the fact that both he and Prime are in fact brothers, at least in the Cybertronian sense.&lt;br /&gt;
* Despite his undeniable hatred of humans, Megatron is the only Decepticon in the movie who doesn&#039;t speak [[Cybertronian languages|Cybertronian]] for the majority of his dialogue. In fact, he speaks &#039;&#039;fluent&#039;&#039; English upon reviving, despite the fact that [[wikipedia:Modern English|Modern English]] came into existence around the Sixteenth century, when he was presumably still frozen in the ice. This could suggest that he still was somehow conscious when he was studied by Sector Seven (which he also overtly states upon awakening in the IDW comic adaptation). This would explain why his first action after thawing was declaring his name - imagine being frozen for generations being referred to as &amp;quot;N.B.E. 1&amp;quot;, or even worse: &amp;quot;Mega-man&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;Ice-man&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* In almost every scene where Megatron&#039;s alt mode is in use, he spins while in flight; guess thousands of years as a juice pop can do a number on your stabilizers.&lt;br /&gt;
* The Megatron computer generated model consisted of 2411 individual pieces, 433,949 polygons, 8924 rig nodes, and 1437 texture maps. The pieces combined gave a volume of 10,325 cubic feet.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Robertson, Barbara (2007). Heavy Metal. &#039;&#039;Computer Graphics, 30&#039;&#039;(7), 12-17.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] from &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated]]&#039;&#039; has apparently stolen this Megatron&#039;s head, at least for the [[Transform and Roll Out!|first episode]].&lt;br /&gt;
* There are some problems with Simmons&#039; statement about various technologies being reverse-engineered from Megatron. Cars came about in one shape or form at about the turn of the century, and spaceflight technology was pioneered by German and Soviet scientists. Of course, Simmons isn&#039;t the sharpest tool in the shed, so he could be exaggerating. They&#039;ll always have &#039;&#039;[[Ghost 1]]&#039;&#039; though.&lt;br /&gt;
*It was decided that Megatron would not be renamed Galvatron in [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]] for the sake of the general audience.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/180451-welcome-mr-roberto-orci-you-may-ask-him-questions-229.html#post3421064 Roberto Orci answers fan questions on the TFW2005 boards.]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:3D Battle-Cards]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Attacktix]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Movie characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rulers of Cybertron]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Starships]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Toys with sound]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Titanium Series]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;why was this episode released three days early? check youtube.. {{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}&lt;br /&gt;
:It wasn&#039;t officially released, someone leaked it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:39, 24 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: kay&#039; then, i was just a bit surprised by that. so all the info on it still gets written by the 29th right?{{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::We&#039;ll be allowed to write it up as soon as it officially airs on Cartoon Network on Saturday morning the 28th. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:54, 24 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::That was weird. Cartoon Network watermark on it and everything, but not the new one they used on the last two episodes. But yeah, that hasn&#039;t actually aired to my knowledge.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 00:02, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Word is that someone fished it from Cartoon Network&#039;s own video section by finding out where it had been pre-uploaded in anticipation of official release. Might well be the case, seeing as how the watermark is the same as the officially linked previous Animated eps on CN&#039;s video section, and it&#039;s nice quality. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:19, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yep, same tactic was used earlier in the week when Ben 10 Alien Force&#039;s season finale got leaked. --[[User:FigmentJedi|FigmentJedi]] 11:43, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::And now &amp;quot;Five Servos of Doom&amp;quot; has been leaked too. At this rate we&#039;ll be seeing the whole season during the next week. [[Special:Contributions/90.241.216.15|90.241.216.15]] 06:12, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Should it be noted that bouth episodes got leaked in advance like the last few episodes of season 2?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:45, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Not the same thing. The last few episodes of S2 had a legitimate foreign release. Here, people are just taking advantage of Cartoon Network&#039;s failure to set up basic website security (or their lack of caring). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:59, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::I wish CN would get it in gear (or the leakers would stop being jerks, I&#039;ll take either). Where is Thy Sting? was halfway tolerable because it was just a few days ahead of time, but now it&#039;s starting to get annoying. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:34, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nightbird reference? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I couldn&#039;t really tell because of the quality of the videos on Youtube (and me being in Canada, hence I have not seen it on the tv screen) but the fighter that Bumblebee uses in his game looks a bit like Nightbird from G1. &lt;br /&gt;
I can&#039;t really tell though. Can anyone that has seen it clearer confirm this?&lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 15:16, 28 March 2009 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s insectile and has multiple arms, so I don&#039;t think so.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 28 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not that one silly, the other fighter!([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 15:39, 28 March 2009 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
:::but they already said it was snake eyes.--[[User:Zi|Zi]] 09:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn&#039;t look a thing like Snake-Eyes. Where exactly did you hear this? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Someone&#039;s added it to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:39, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yeah, no. It&#039;s an entirely black character with no defining traits, unlike Snake-Eyes who&#039;s full of visors and military and ninja gear. If it looks like anything, it looks like [[wikipedia:Noob Saibot|Noob Saibot]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:51, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The insecticide goon &#039;&#039;isn&#039;t&#039;&#039; the 3-armed Lunartix Alien from G.I. Joe, if you were wondering. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:55, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, SanityOrMadness managed to identify that four-armed bug as an old Micronaut toy, so it&#039;s not General Grievous. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Featured characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does Safeguard &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; count separately from Jetfire &amp;amp; Jetstorm? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes. Combined forms &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; separate characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== A Prime Problem==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, how come this hasn&#039;t been mentioned? They try to work out which one is the Real &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Prime&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; Bumblebee, using a &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;Race&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; Video Game. While this was successful (it scared Wasp into revealling himself), and it makes a bit more sense in this situation (Bumblebee had played the game a lot, so was probably indeed better at it than Wasp), but still, it is a similar idea  to the Race and other contests in the old Cartoon episode, A Prime Problem.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 08:45, 30 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Where_Is_Thy_Sting%3F&amp;diff=252039</id>
		<title>Talk:Where Is Thy Sting?</title>
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		<updated>2009-03-30T12:45:53Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* A Prime Problem */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;why was this episode released three days early? check youtube.. {{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}&lt;br /&gt;
:It wasn&#039;t officially released, someone leaked it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:39, 24 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: kay&#039; then, i was just a bit surprised by that. so all the info on it still gets written by the 29th right?{{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::We&#039;ll be allowed to write it up as soon as it officially airs on Cartoon Network on Saturday morning the 28th. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:54, 24 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::That was weird. Cartoon Network watermark on it and everything, but not the new one they used on the last two episodes. But yeah, that hasn&#039;t actually aired to my knowledge.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 00:02, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Word is that someone fished it from Cartoon Network&#039;s own video section by finding out where it had been pre-uploaded in anticipation of official release. Might well be the case, seeing as how the watermark is the same as the officially linked previous Animated eps on CN&#039;s video section, and it&#039;s nice quality. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:19, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yep, same tactic was used earlier in the week when Ben 10 Alien Force&#039;s season finale got leaked. --[[User:FigmentJedi|FigmentJedi]] 11:43, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::And now &amp;quot;Five Servos of Doom&amp;quot; has been leaked too. At this rate we&#039;ll be seeing the whole season during the next week. [[Special:Contributions/90.241.216.15|90.241.216.15]] 06:12, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Should it be noted that bouth episodes got leaked in advance like the last few episodes of season 2?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:45, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Not the same thing. The last few episodes of S2 had a legitimate foreign release. Here, people are just taking advantage of Cartoon Network&#039;s failure to set up basic website security (or their lack of caring). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:59, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::I wish CN would get it in gear (or the leakers would stop being jerks, I&#039;ll take either). Where is Thy Sting? was halfway tolerable because it was just a few days ahead of time, but now it&#039;s starting to get annoying. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:34, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nightbird reference? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I couldn&#039;t really tell because of the quality of the videos on Youtube (and me being in Canada, hence I have not seen it on the tv screen) but the fighter that Bumblebee uses in his game looks a bit like Nightbird from G1. &lt;br /&gt;
I can&#039;t really tell though. Can anyone that has seen it clearer confirm this?&lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 15:16, 28 March 2009 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s insectile and has multiple arms, so I don&#039;t think so.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 28 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not that one silly, the other fighter!([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 15:39, 28 March 2009 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
:::but they already said it was snake eyes.--[[User:Zi|Zi]] 09:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn&#039;t look a thing like Snake-Eyes. Where exactly did you hear this? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Someone&#039;s added it to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:39, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yeah, no. It&#039;s an entirely black character with no defining traits, unlike Snake-Eyes who&#039;s full of visors and military and ninja gear. If it looks like anything, it looks like [[wikipedia:Noob Saibot|Noob Saibot]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:51, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The insecticide goon &#039;&#039;isn&#039;t&#039;&#039; the 3-armed Lunartix Alien from G.I. Joe, if you were wondering. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:55, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, SanityOrMadness managed to identify that four-armed bug as an old Micronaut toy, so it&#039;s not General Grievous. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Featured characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does Safeguard &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; count separately from Jetfire &amp;amp; Jetstorm? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes. Combined forms &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; separate characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== A Prime Problem==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, how come this hasn&#039;t been mentioned? They try to work out which one is the Real Prim- I mean Bumblebee, using a Rac- I mean Video Game. While this was successful (it scared Wasp into revealling himself), and it makes a bit more sense in this situation (Bumblebee had played the game a lot, so was probably indeed better at it than Wasp), but still, it is a similar idea  to the Race and other contests in the old Cartoon episode, A Prime Problem.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 08:45, 30 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Where_Is_Thy_Sting%3F&amp;diff=252038</id>
		<title>Talk:Where Is Thy Sting?</title>
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		<updated>2009-03-30T12:45:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;why was this episode released three days early? check youtube.. {{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}&lt;br /&gt;
:It wasn&#039;t officially released, someone leaked it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:39, 24 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: kay&#039; then, i was just a bit surprised by that. so all the info on it still gets written by the 29th right?{{unsigned|122.2.209.6}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::We&#039;ll be allowed to write it up as soon as it officially airs on Cartoon Network on Saturday morning the 28th. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:54, 24 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::That was weird. Cartoon Network watermark on it and everything, but not the new one they used on the last two episodes. But yeah, that hasn&#039;t actually aired to my knowledge.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 00:02, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Word is that someone fished it from Cartoon Network&#039;s own video section by finding out where it had been pre-uploaded in anticipation of official release. Might well be the case, seeing as how the watermark is the same as the officially linked previous Animated eps on CN&#039;s video section, and it&#039;s nice quality. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:19, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yep, same tactic was used earlier in the week when Ben 10 Alien Force&#039;s season finale got leaked. --[[User:FigmentJedi|FigmentJedi]] 11:43, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::And now &amp;quot;Five Servos of Doom&amp;quot; has been leaked too. At this rate we&#039;ll be seeing the whole season during the next week. [[Special:Contributions/90.241.216.15|90.241.216.15]] 06:12, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::Should it be noted that bouth episodes got leaked in advance like the last few episodes of season 2?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:45, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Not the same thing. The last few episodes of S2 had a legitimate foreign release. Here, people are just taking advantage of Cartoon Network&#039;s failure to set up basic website security (or their lack of caring). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:59, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::I wish CN would get it in gear (or the leakers would stop being jerks, I&#039;ll take either). Where is Thy Sting? was halfway tolerable because it was just a few days ahead of time, but now it&#039;s starting to get annoying. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:34, 27 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Nightbird reference? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I couldn&#039;t really tell because of the quality of the videos on Youtube (and me being in Canada, hence I have not seen it on the tv screen) but the fighter that Bumblebee uses in his game looks a bit like Nightbird from G1. &lt;br /&gt;
I can&#039;t really tell though. Can anyone that has seen it clearer confirm this?&lt;br /&gt;
([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 15:16, 28 March 2009 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s insectile and has multiple arms, so I don&#039;t think so.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:27, 28 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not that one silly, the other fighter!([[User:Tribor|Tribor]] 15:39, 28 March 2009 (EDT))&lt;br /&gt;
:::but they already said it was snake eyes.--[[User:Zi|Zi]] 09:31, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It doesn&#039;t look a thing like Snake-Eyes. Where exactly did you hear this? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Someone&#039;s added it to the article. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:39, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Yeah, no. It&#039;s an entirely black character with no defining traits, unlike Snake-Eyes who&#039;s full of visors and military and ninja gear. If it looks like anything, it looks like [[wikipedia:Noob Saibot|Noob Saibot]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:51, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:The insecticide goon &#039;&#039;isn&#039;t&#039;&#039; the 3-armed Lunartix Alien from G.I. Joe, if you were wondering. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:55, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, SanityOrMadness managed to identify that four-armed bug as an old Micronaut toy, so it&#039;s not General Grievous. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:12, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Featured characters ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Does Safeguard &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; count separately from Jetfire &amp;amp; Jetstorm? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:46, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yes. Combined forms &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; separate characters. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:42, 29 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== A Prime Problem==&lt;br /&gt;
Seriously, how come this hasn&#039;t been mentioned? They try to work out which one is the Real Prim- I mean Bumblebee, using a Rac- I mean Video Game. While this was successful (it scared Wasp into revealling himself), and it makes a bit more sense in this situation (Bumblebee had played the game a lot, so was probably indeed better at it than Wasp), but still, it is a similar idea  to the Race and other contests in the old Cartoon episode, A Prime Problem.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Three%27s_a_Crowd_(episode)&amp;diff=236701</id>
		<title>Talk:Three&#039;s a Crowd (episode)</title>
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		<updated>2009-03-25T11:31:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;Is it &amp;quot;Three&#039;s a Crowd&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Three&#039;s A Crowd&amp;quot;? Because right now we have two pages for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:15, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:43, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Articles aren&#039;t supposed to be capitalized if in the middle of a title. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:40, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Allspark Fragments==&lt;br /&gt;
How is that a continuity error? Couldn&#039;t the Autobots have found fragments after ABTC Part 2? [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 17:43, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, weren&#039;t the Decepticons using a shard or two to power &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; space bridge? And didn&#039;t the Autobots salvage what they could from that one?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 19:29, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bytoID_SNnE [[Special:Contributions/81.110.31.1|81.110.31.1]] 20:49, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Another Animation Error?==&lt;br /&gt;
When I was watching, I noticed that right after Bulkhead has the ... let&#039;s call it the Boss Drill, stuck into his head, it disappears for a short time, after Dirt Boss kicks the other two and Bulkhead is laying on the ground, but that could be just that the view was too zoomed out, for it to be visible? It was also not visible RIGHT AFTER Dirt Boss inserts it, but at this time Bulkhead is Very Zoomed Out, so it would be hard to see it anyway from that distance, but the time I first mentioned, Bulkhead is not nearly as zoomed out, so it would probably have been visible?[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 10:10, 23 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Lying Logic==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve realised something. The Liar Starscream has actually backed himself into a logical nightmare. He promised Lugnut he would not tell Megatron about this. As he Always lies, that means he has to tell Megatron about this. But how does he tell Megatron about this, something that actually happened and thus is the truth, and still lie? I really hope they DO show this in the show, as I&#039;m really interested in seeing how he deals with this. Is it worth mentioning this little paradox Liar Starscream seems to hae put himself into in the Misc section?[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 07:31, 25 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Three%27s_a_Crowd_(episode)&amp;diff=226166</id>
		<title>Talk:Three&#039;s a Crowd (episode)</title>
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		<updated>2009-03-23T14:10:18Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is it &amp;quot;Three&#039;s a Crowd&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Three&#039;s A Crowd&amp;quot;? Because right now we have two pages for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:15, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:43, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Articles aren&#039;t supposed to be capitalized if in the middle of a title. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:40, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Allspark Fragments==&lt;br /&gt;
How is that a continuity error? Couldn&#039;t the Autobots have found fragments after ABTC Part 2? [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 17:43, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, weren&#039;t the Decepticons using a shard or two to power &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; space bridge? And didn&#039;t the Autobots salvage what they could from that one?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 19:29, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bytoID_SNnE [[Special:Contributions/81.110.31.1|81.110.31.1]] 20:49, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Another Animation Error?==&lt;br /&gt;
When I was watching, I noticed that right after Bulkhead has the ... let&#039;s call it the Boss Drill, stuck into his head, it disappears for a short time, after Dirt Boss kicks the other two and Bulkhead is laying on the ground, but that could be just that the view was too zoomed out, for it to be visible? It was also not visible RIGHT AFTER Dirt Boss inserts it, but at this time Bulkhead is Very Zoomed Out, so it would be hard to see it anyway from that distance, but the time I first mentioned, Bulkhead is not nearly as zoomed out, so it would probably have been visible?[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 10:10, 23 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:TransWarped&amp;diff=226089</id>
		<title>Talk:TransWarped</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:TransWarped&amp;diff=226089"/>
		<updated>2009-03-23T13:56:38Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Refrince? */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;== Hot Shot/Hotshot ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I know it&#039;s hard to read, but Hotshot was definitely one word (with a small &amp;quot;s&amp;quot;) in the credits for TransWarped. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 17:08, 17 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:TranswarpedVA1.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:TranswarpedVA2.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
: They parsed it correctly in his tech spec bio in the Fan Club magazine, though.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:09, 17 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;d rate what was on-screen for everyone who watched the episode (at least nominally...) to see, over a magazine that a tiny fraction of the audience even know about. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:14, 17 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d rate what the long-Trademarked parsing is over the credits. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:20, 17 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==An Additional Animation Error==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m putting this here because I don&#039;t know the proper phrasing for this. When Megatron is first shown in stasis cuffs, the little circles/octagons things on his head/helmet are colored red instead of the usual grey. I&#039;m sure someone will know how to say this properly.[[User:SteamFan42|SteamFan42]] 00:40, 18 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Refrince? ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I noticed that Blurr&#039;s running stile is close to Sonic&#039;s. Could we put it on?&lt;br /&gt;
: First, learn to spell &amp;quot;reference.&amp;quot;  Second, no, plenty of cartoon characters run in that way.  Watch any random martial arts anime.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:57, 18 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I have another possible Transformer&#039;s Reference. Starscream is currently in a Giant Body that transforms into a Cybertron Space Ship, and currently still powered by a Power Source connected to the Source Of All Transformer Life on Cybtertron(IN FACT one could say this Power was what actually allowed him to take control of the body, since earlier Megatron was shown using him to overload the console to gain control of Omega again), a body which he intends to use to Rebel Against Megatron, and Attack Cybertron. Didn&#039;t he already do that once already? In Transformers Cybertron/Galaxy Force? Also, the Last Omega Supreme toy we got was, well a Supreme Class toy, and what Class Toy was the one connected to Super Starscream? Coincidence, or reference? You Decide! -Shadow Mask Prime- What&#039;s my Log in Stuff again?- 10:30 AM British Time 19th March.&lt;br /&gt;
:Actually, there&#039;s something I wanted to run by. I know that the references in a single episode are way down on our list of priorities, but since I known bunk about caches and coding, it&#039;s all I really have to do. Anyway, my question was, could the rock creatures count as a reference to Rock Lords? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:39, 19 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s the first thing I thought of when I saw them too! Though I get the feeling it might be more  coincidence than intention. Possibly more a Misc than an actual references, until we get Word Of God, could be more a Gurren Lagann Glasses things (in everyone thinks it, but it isn&#039;t actually true)-Shadow Mask Prime-I&#039;ll log back in one of these days-10:03AM British Time, 20th March 2009.&lt;br /&gt;
::: I just asked him on his blog. Hopefully he can answer the question.. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 22:16, 20 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: OK, he answered the question in reply to FortMax on Twitter. http://twitter.com/DerrickJWyatt/status/1366585280 [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 16:01, 21 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Hhmmm, looking at his response, I think it may be best not to mention it, Unless it turns out A Lot Of People thought Rock Lords when they saw them, and if that is the case, then say that Many Transformers Fans thought the Rock monsters were a reference to the Rock Lord toys, but Word of God from Derrick J. Wyatt reveals it may have been a factor, but Galaxy Quest was an influnence just as much as it was. But considering Derrick&#039;s response, it may be best to leave it out unless Internet forums are flooded with the claim... So... Is the Starscream thing I pointed out worth asking Derrick about? Or is it most likely just a coincidence? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 09:56, 23 March 2009 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Autoboot Camp</title>
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&lt;div&gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/animated-8/pictures-and-summary-for-animated-episode-25-autoboot-camp-spoilers-164832/  Guess who&#039;s confirmed for this episode?]&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:13, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:EDITED FOR SPOILER --[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:01, 7 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Disregard that, apparently it doesn&#039;t count if it hasn&#039;t aired in America.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 10:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m sorry we would prefer not to rely on second-hand information. And stop putting your signature on a separate line. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:16, 8 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== How to tell people NOT to update... ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Do we have a big giant banner/template thing specifically for when we DO NOT want a page updated yet &lt;br /&gt;
on pain of death, because news on something is unofficial, leeked, or simply would be an exeptionally&lt;br /&gt;
annoying spoiler that a large chunk of the fandom may not want to know about? If yes we should put&lt;br /&gt;
it bang at the top middle of all these upcomming episode pages. If not can we make one? &lt;br /&gt;
--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
{{comingsoon|No updatey until it airs in the western hemisphere.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Is the problem that we don&#039;t want a page updated until it airs in North America, or is the problem that we don&#039;t want people to fill in episode details unless they&#039;ve seen the episode themselves?&lt;br /&gt;
:I mean, if the episode aired, then the episode aired, presumably with Hasbro&#039;s approval.  I would think we&#039;d actually want to encourage our lucky non-North American counterparts to keep the wiki up to date.&lt;br /&gt;
:If I, personally, as a resident of North America, don&#039;t want to get spoiled, it&#039;s my responsibility to stay away from the page in question.  (I have the same problem with &#039;&#039;Devastation&#039;&#039; spoliers, since it hasn&#039;t been released in TPB yet.)  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I actually think Devastation is in TPB now. Could have sworn I saw it at Borders. I&#039;ll have to double-check.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Secondhand fillins are probably the greater concern- but really it&#039;s both.  Being spoiled /badly/ by secondhand information that&#039;s been awkwardly grapevined by people wanting to shout &amp;quot;FIRST POST!!1&amp;quot; is even more annoying than simply being spoiled. -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 14:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Why is it both? I can understand not wanting to add possibly-garbled secondhand stuff. I can&#039;t understand prioritising the &amp;quot;Western Hemisphere&amp;quot; airings by themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
:::After all, GIGO was filled in before the episode aired to the Canuckleheads, and still hasn&#039;t aired in the middle bit of NA, AFAIK. Black Friday has been filled in and hasn&#039;t aired in NA at all. [Hell, Japanese episodes, including the &amp;quot;lost&amp;quot; episode of Energon, have been filled in when they&#039;re never going to air in NA at all!]&lt;br /&gt;
:::Why does a BotCon airing to a small audience get okayed, and a mass airing in a country outside of NA doesn&#039;t? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think the secondhand bit is the main concern here. A sufficient number of users were at the BotCon showings to check each other&#039;s work on those two episodes, and the spoilers have been confined to the episode articles themselves (IE they haven&#039;t been added to character articles yet). These episodes aired in the Middle East? Most of the existing synopses involve spotty reception that cut out at critical moments during the episode, and thus can&#039;t be considered reliable. As well, the episodes aren&#039;t widely available so people can&#039;t check each other&#039;s work. It just makes for bad methodology.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::It also skips ahead 5 episodes in chronology, which is... spoilery-er than usual.  No one&#039;s actually seen seen it except a handful of random fans- and there doesn&#039;t to be confidence that the ones updating this article are the ones who /have/ seen it.  (Rather, the general belief seems to be that all the who-are-you&#039;s editing this article almost certainly &#039;&#039;haven&#039;t&#039;&#039; seen it.)    That&#039;s bad, if no one&#039;s seen the episode (including the people editing it) how can we correct inaccuracies? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 04:54, 10 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So, uh, why can we put up things like Swindle in SUV or Prowl&#039;s sidecar in Fistful with the &amp;quot;Dubai blackout&amp;quot; in place? [[Special:Contributions/220.237.141.213|220.237.141.213]] 08:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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===That North America mantra...===&lt;br /&gt;
It is now [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/animated-8/transformers-animated-season-2-airing-in-the-uk-from-260508-164940/ entirely possible] that this episode will get its&#039; first English-language airing in the UK. Is the &amp;quot;only in North America&amp;quot; mantra still going to stick if that&#039;s the case? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:We may want to rethink that policy...seriously, why do the distributors hate American Transfans? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:05, 20 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Might weaken a bit in that case. We&#039;ve got a fair number of European users that could double-check the work. The problem wasn&#039;t that Dubai got it before anyone so much as that Dubai got it and nearly none of us could verify if the rumors from the Dubai leak were accurate or not because most of the English speakers who had seen it didn&#039;t have sound or didn&#039;t have complete transcripts. Makes it hellishly hard to write an article that&#039;s up to our standards, and certainly didn&#039;t help that most folks acting on the leaks were only focused on dropping spoilers not coherent article writing. I don&#039;t think distributors hate American venues. Both Cartoon Network and the moose have been putting out an episode a week pretty much like they&#039;re &#039;&#039;supposed&#039;&#039; to. It&#039;s not their fault others have gone beyond that.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 23:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;tis true. Once it airs in the UK, the original, as-intended english-language version of the episode will be as accessible to the United States as any of the past Canadian broadcasts have been (by which I mean, &amp;quot;It&#039;ll be online within the blink of a gnat&#039;s sphincter.&amp;quot;), which, hey, is more than &amp;quot;Black Friday&amp;quot; has going for it. That&#039;s just not the case with the Dubai-broadcast episodes. I think if they had aired there, in English, and been uploaded, and everyone had watched them, then we wouldn&#039;t really have had such an issue about making articles for them, but since all there is to go on is photos, quick summaries, translations that can&#039;t tell us whether or not the dub reflects the intent of the English version and nothing but a desire to go &amp;quot;OMG SPOILER&amp;quot;, rather than actually contribute significantly... well, y&#039;know. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::What Chris said. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:00, 21 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Where is Dubai? --[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in Disguise]] 16:57, 27 May 2008&lt;br /&gt;
::::::The United Arab Emirates. Very wealthy place.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 20:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::I did not know that, thank you Rosicrucian.--[[User:Human in Disguise|Human in Disguise]] 17:01, 28 May 2008&lt;br /&gt;
Considering this is an English-language wiki, why not allow episode info to be posted if it has aired in a country where English is the official language (or at least one of them)? I&#039;m pretty sure the UK counts, with the language being called &#039;&#039;&#039;English&#039;&#039;&#039; and all.  Why make the issue more complicated than it needs to be? --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 19:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:As you may have noticed... we are.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 19:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I was suggesting that this be made official policy.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 19:53, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::It effectively is now. We have consensus, and McFeely is an admin (as well as our biggest spaz about spoilers).--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 19:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Okay then.  That&#039;s all I was asking.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 19:59, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Warning: Rage filled comment below&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hi, just a friendly U.S. based user here to tell you HOW ****ING PISSED OFF I AM THAT I GO TO MY FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD WIKI READY TO CONTRIBUTE TO SOME ARTICLES ONLY TO FIND CHARACTER SPOILERS ON THE MAIN PAGE VIA THE LATEST ACTIVITY SECTION. Has this episode been aired in the Americas? Have we changed our policy here? In any case I&#039;ll be leaving for a week, I have been avoiding pretty much every source of TF info besides this wiki since the Dubai incident spoiled so much of the season finale. I thought this wiki took a firm stance on spoilers, and I was safe as long as I kept up with The Moose. Now this. ****. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 20:22, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I can understand your rage, but the policy was more of an &amp;quot;English-language only&amp;quot; thing, rather than &amp;quot;America only.&amp;quot; The Dubai stuff was unverifiable foreign dubs (worsened by the frustrating ambivalence of new sites on the matter). This episode aired in the UK, in it&#039;s original intentnded English language, and is already online for downloading - which makes it precisely as available as the Canadaian broadcasts, and totally viable for inclusion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Agreed. What&#039;s important here is that it has aired in a major English-speaking market, thus making the information easily verifiable by a large portion of the wiki&#039;s users, keeping the articles factual and accurate. If it were anybody but McFeely busting out UK spoilers I&#039;d be skeptical, but the guy&#039;s an admin and historically one of the best ones regarding how sensitive we need to be towards spoilers.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 20:35, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why doesnt Wasp has a page? WHY DOES UNIVERSE HATE WASPINATOR?&lt;br /&gt;
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== And I&#039;m out ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just FYI, this is the only episode I&#039;ll actually be seeing this week, and I&#039;ve got work and other commitments for the next four days. So I&#039;m pretty much, uh, not going to be here, because I&#039;m saving them up to marathon on Saturday evening, and don&#039;t want spoiled this late in the game. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Longarm Prime==&lt;br /&gt;
I listed him under the autobots heading in the featured character list i hope this is ok... [[User:Gspro15198|Gspro15198]] 22:11, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It is &#039;&#039;exactly&#039;&#039; correct to do this. Thank you.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 22:37, 3 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Joke needed ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This article needs a joke involving &amp;quot;aboot&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;eh?&amp;quot;. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Psuedo Cliffjumper? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it worth the time for me to create a page for the red Cliffjumper refference, seeing as he does do more than be a passing refference? If I remember, he acted as Sentinel&#039;s confidant of sorts and wheeled Wasp away. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 12:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Chin joke ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The joke Bumblebee makes about Sentinel&#039;s chin is clearly a reference to the chin jokes that the fans maked when TFA begun to me. Should we add it as a trivia ?--[[Special:Contributions/213.49.72.213|213.49.72.213]] 14:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Autoguns &amp;quot;error&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
Frankly, I don&#039;t think this is an error. he does indeed have reason to want to eliminate Bee. It&#039;s not enough to have Bee simply be suspiscious of Wasp. Especially since Bee can&#039;t &#039;&#039;prove&#039;&#039; anything. There was never really the chance to &amp;quot;prove&amp;quot; Wasp was a spy until the locker inspection. Having someone know that there is a traitor among them is a risk to the real spy&#039;s mission no matter WHO that someone thinks it is. It risks the word spreading and wider, more &#039;&#039;competent&#039;&#039; investigation. Encouraging Bee to focus on Wasp was only buying time... and the training exercise provided the opportunity to cut off any potential &amp;quot;spy&amp;quot; investigation by eliminating the one who knows something is up. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I agree. And that doesn&#039;t surprise me to see that simulation guns also have a &amp;quot;real ammo&amp;quot; mode. Maybe they also make real ammo training from times to times. Remember Starship Troopers, anyone ?--[[Special:Contributions/213.49.72.213|213.49.72.213]] 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also wondered if he was maybe trying to get rid of Bumblebee because BB knew there was a spy even though he was suspecting the wrong guy. Officially putting the blame on Wasp would then have been another contingency plan, eventually the better one.&lt;br /&gt;
Also from my own military experience, yes, it&#039;s not uncommon at all to use the same weapons with both training ammo and live ammo. Changing rarely is as easy as throwing off a switch, but also rarely harder than switching ammo clips.&lt;br /&gt;
Also also: while we&#039;re at it, regarding the other so-called error, yes, asteroids DO have gravity, like just about every object ever. As long as some asteroids around have enough mass scenes like the one pictured in the episode would be quite possible. [[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 18:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Wasp´s name goof  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When did Bumblebee call Wasp by his name before it was given to him? Only time I register that, it was just before flashback started so it´s not&lt;br /&gt;
a goof.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Added stuff ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey, newish user here, trying to be on good behavior.&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve added the quote of Megatron introducing Shockwave noting that (Shockwave) is a plot point this season, since he has been mentioned before and I&#039;m sure after, too. I also added a continuity error and two misc trivia bits too.&lt;br /&gt;
I also edited the quote of Sentinel Prime before he get squished to better match what he says in the cartoon, and put the caption below the picture of him about to be squished in proper tense. [[User:SteamFan42|SteamFan42]] 06:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)SteamFan42&lt;br /&gt;
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==First Caption==&lt;br /&gt;
Should the year be 2108 instead of 2008? I thought animated was set in the 22nd century [[Special:Contributions/78.32.44.57|78.32.44.57]] 16:39, 6 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:The show is, but the scene in question is from a flashback taking place an unknown time ago.  Regardless, it&#039;s a joke.  The episode aired in 2008, so that&#039;s the date used.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:53, 6 June 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Shape Shifting, or Size Altering?==&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;In the Decepticon base, Megatron communicates once again with his double-agent... Longarm Prime! But the deception is a dual-layered one, for Longarm is, in fact, the shape-shifting Shockwave!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;I knew your size-altering power would allow you to blend in perfectly with the Autobots&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think we should change the way we word that bit in the article. ALL transformers &amp;quot;Shape Shift&amp;quot;. It&#039;s what they do. But what has been often suggested so far is the Size Difference between Autobots and Decepticons(most of the time anyway... I think when they have been the same size, those have either been Spark/Key created ones, or Autobots gone bad), thus it being more a Size Shifting thing that allows Shockwave to blend in. Unless that&#039;s misquoted. it just sounds REALLY weird to call it Shape Shifting, when that&#039;s a feature common among all transformers. [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 18:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:I_Risk_My_Life_for_Earth&amp;diff=138330</id>
		<title>Talk:I Risk My Life for Earth</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;If there is justice in this world, a screenshot of Scorponok&#039;s weak point will be posted so I can add the dreaded &amp;quot;ATTACK ITS WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE!&amp;quot; quote.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Evidently there is no justice in this world. Problem is, only a small number of regular wiki contributors have the DVDs :( --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I would argue that the Caption should be &amp;quot;Darn it!&amp;quot;, in memory of the utterly hilarious dub, should that picture ever come itself.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:I_Risk_My_Life_for_Earth&amp;diff=138329</id>
		<title>Talk:I Risk My Life for Earth</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;If there is justice in this world, a screenshot of Scorponok&#039;s weak point will be posted so I can add the dreaded &amp;quot;ATTACK ITS WEAK POINT FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE!&amp;quot; quote.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Evidently there is no justice in this world. Problem is, only a small number of regular wiki contributors have the DVDs :( --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I would argue that the Caption should be &amp;quot;Darn it!&amp;quot;, in memory of the utterly hilarious dub, should that picture ever come itself.&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_clone_(Animated)&amp;diff=189493</id>
		<title>Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)</title>
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		<updated>2008-05-28T12:04:02Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Army-Building reference in the trivia */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==&amp;quot;G1 redeco will be a store exclusive&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
Any idea which store will be getting the exclusive? Perhaps Target because they got the movie g1 starscream redeco?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 16:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I put in that piece of trivia, and I don&#039;t know which store will carry it. all I&#039;ve been told was that the guys at BotCon said they will release the mold in all the shown color schemes (and what I read they had shown Starscream together with his clones, which were in G1 seeker colors of Thundercracker, Skywarp and Starscream), and that the one in G1 SS colors would be a store exclusive, they also said that they love bringing out the seeker mold of each line in all three color variations.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:57, 27 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Army-Building reference in the trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
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*The [[Army-building|Starscream clones]] clearly only exist [[to sell toys]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that is prefect for the trivia. The fact that there is a lot of seemingly same deco(A) starscreams makes it seem like hasbro is encouraging army building of the Starscream figure. The fact that because of the movie line, the toys and episode doesn&#039;t line up seems irrelevant to me. As does [[A Prime Problem]]. We are all very aware that the fictions only purpose is [[to sell toys]]. If in the fiction there are numerous identical starscreams, I think the connection is obvious.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Lotta starscreams.jpg | thumb | left |(A)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 23:19, 25 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There is no reason to believe that the clone army is a toy-sales-driven move. We&#039;ve seen no altered-color-clone redecoes announced, which would be the big indicator... and at this stage, odds are appropriate redecoes would be created-after-the-fact items like the Premium movie toys. I really can&#039;t fathom Hasbro going &amp;quot;hey Marty, make Starscream clone himself so we can encourage multiple-buying of this one toy.&amp;quot; It is far, far, FAR more likely that the genesis of the clone story is the simple &amp;quot;wouldn&#039;t it be neat to reference this thing that happened in G1, just like how Starscream died but came back&amp;quot;. To claim unambiguously that it&#039;s a toy-sales-driven move is weak and tenuous at best. &amp;quot;To sell toys&amp;quot; is kind of dependent on &amp;quot;toy first&amp;quot;. If Hasbro REALLY wanted to go that route, one of the clones would have been Skywarp, who we HAVE seen officialy announced as a toy... and Hasbro said he wasn&#039;t intended to be a show character. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::And, sad to say, it&#039;s the most logical approach to a bunch of guys with the same body type. Bit more interesting take on it than G1, even. Having an army of them has an in-story purpose, and having them all resemble Starscream is easily explained by his vanity. This being a continuity that, aside from some noteworthy exceptions, has largely unique body types for each character.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 05:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I guess I see your point M Sipher. I still believe it should be noted somewhere that that photo I labeled (a) seems to encourage [[army-building]]. I now think my phrasing it as &amp;quot;clearly only exist&amp;quot; is probably wildly inaccurate, but again i think it should be noted. Also, i think that when the writers where coming up with the story for Animated, they probably expected the toys releases to coincide with airing. Like Soundwave being in wave 2 since he appeared late in season 1. Stupid &amp;lt;i&amp;gt;Allspark Power&amp;lt;/i&amp;gt; line, I blame you for all my problems!&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, Rosicrucian, i am not quite sure which side you are supporting :/&lt;br /&gt;
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cheers!--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 22:21, 26 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I am saying that even on the chance that this is &amp;quot;to sell toys&amp;quot; it has more solid fictional support than... well... nearly all past Seeker redecos.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:28, 27 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I think we should add this to Trivia instead.&lt;br /&gt;
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::::* Starscream is clearly an [[Army_building|Army Builder]].&lt;br /&gt;
::::: And is the Yoda quote really needed here? We&#039;re using it as the caption on the pic in the Fist Full of Energon Main article.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:04, 28 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Clone V clone==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ok, I checked. Terms like drone or jet or whatever are always started with a capital. In fact I couldn&#039;t find one similar themed page where all the words didn&#039;t have capitals in em [[User:GWolfv2]] 15.51 May26th&lt;br /&gt;
:EVERY ARTICLE ON THE WIKI starts with a capital letter.  But if subsequent terms in the article title are not proper nouns, they stay lower case.  This is a well established policy (see [[:Category:Nameless things]] for some examples.)  Quit tryin&#039; to fight it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:06, 26 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Clearly it should be lowercase. however, shouldn&#039;t it be Starscream clone&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;s&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt; since the article talks about more then one? i mean after all it is an army of them. and the page goes into further detail about specific ones.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 22:25, 26 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes and no. Yes in that it would be more logical, no in that everything&#039;s put in the singular so that you can type &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Starscream clone]]s&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; to produce [[Starscream clone]]s as a link, but would have to do &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Starscream clones|Starscream clone]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; if it was the other way around. It sacrifices the logical page title for ease of linking (not a convention I agree with, but one well established...) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 15:22, 27 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== G1 references ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure we should put those in for these guys, unless we get something beyond coloring (hopefully, they&#039;ll get real names when released as toys, or at least much better clues) - I mean, the coloring doesn&#039;t even fit that well for either of them (G1 Starscream definitely wasn&#039;t brickred/brown, and Skywarp has, if anything, reversed coloring), and they don&#039;t seem to share any personality similarities either.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, the Clone that fits Skywarp the best looks like it appears as part of the whole army, anyway.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:24, 28 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Spongescream and Patrick ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Was Starscream forgetting Bulkhead&#039;s name supposed to be a joke about how they are best friends on SBSQ? Or was it a reference to when Starscream first appeared, and I&#039;m just crazy?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 02:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Mol&amp;diff=189054</id>
		<title>Talk:Mol</title>
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		<updated>2008-05-21T18:11:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: New page: Suggestion for Caption of image, unless this appears over 100 times already (which it very may well:  &amp;quot;Why God, Why? Why Do I exist!&amp;quot;  With God linking to Primus, naturally.  Or else &amp;quot;[htt...&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Suggestion for Caption of image, unless this appears over 100 times already (which it very may well:&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Why God, Why? Why Do I exist!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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With God linking to Primus, naturally.&lt;br /&gt;
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Or else &amp;quot;[http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=199|&amp;quot;Why do you abuse my game so?]&amp;quot;&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Monstructor_(G1)&amp;diff=67812</id>
		<title>Talk:Monstructor (G1)</title>
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		<updated>2008-05-19T17:40:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* At the Mountains of Monstructor */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Where does all the &amp;quot;Lord of Darkness&amp;quot;-y stuff come from? His toy bio simply say&#039;s that he&#039;s pretty strong, and he was a pretty crappy (and ugly) Gestalt, if I remember right.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 12:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I believe it&#039;s from his bio in Dreamwave&#039;s &amp;quot;More Than Meets The Eye&amp;quot; profile books. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:21, 23 July 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Correct. His MTMTE bio (one of the coolest in the series) establishes him as basicly a Lovecraftian force of darkness and corruption. It&#039;s a great use of an otherwise totally neglected toy.&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;a Monstructor! I&#039;A! I&#039;A!&lt;br /&gt;
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What criteria are being used to call him the only G1 toy with no boxart? The Powerdashers and Omnibots don&#039;t have &amp;quot;box art&amp;quot;, although there was some painted art for them in their mailaway forms. (I don&#039;t think Drill Dasher or F-1 Dasher had any, but I could easily be wrong.) None of the Sixcombiner components had their own art, which seems to me at least as legitimate as saying a combiner sold in parts had no boxart. Dreadwing and Big Powered also don&#039;t have their own art, although they&#039;re not robots. Does that matter? -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;In this story, Monstructor has an extra pair of Tyrannosaurus-esque arms, horrifyingly reminiscent of the Beast.&amp;quot;   For what it&#039;s worth, those are Slog&#039;s monster mode arms.  --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 11:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Team Leader? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just curious, where is it established that Icepick is the team leader? (As a kid I always imagined it Slog just cause he formed the chest/head.) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:50, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:It seemed so in the Marvel comic.  See [[Icepick]]&#039;s page. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 16:28, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It&#039;s really a stretch to say Icepick&#039;s the leader, if the Marvel comics are all we&#039;re going off of.  He didn&#039;t do anything very leaderish. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:24, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Is there anything in Dreamwave&#039;s MTMTE profiles? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 21:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== At the Mountains of Monstructor ==&lt;br /&gt;
Wouldn&#039;t bother bringing this up but for the recent revert....  Perhaps I&#039;m missing some bizarre usage of &amp;quot;instinct&amp;quot; from Lovecraft or Derleth, but I can&#039;t find a legit definition of it as an adjective.  From context, &amp;quot;infused&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;suffused&amp;quot; might work better.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:That puzzled me, too, but it&#039;s legit.  Per [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary M-W], &amp;quot;instinct&amp;quot; as an adjective means &amp;quot;profoundly imbued; infused&amp;quot;.  [[User:JW|JW]] 21:47, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Huh, never heard that one before.   &lt;br /&gt;
::As for &amp;quot;it&#039;s&amp;quot;, that&#039;s referring to the malignancy, not Monstructor himself.  It can read the other way too, I suppose, but it&#039;s kinda awkward to have two clauses in a row starting with &amp;quot;his&amp;quot;. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;that&#039;s referring to the malignancy&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::I saw that was a possible way of reading it, but I don&#039;t really think his &#039;&#039;malignancy&#039;&#039; is shaped like a robot.  You need more [[Wikipedia:Pathetic_fallacy|pathetic fallacy]] than I can muster for that to make sense.  [[User:JW|JW]] 22:21, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::A malignancy, a ghost, an old evil, a dark god, whatever -- why can&#039;t it have a form? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:27, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I wrote the entry, and all the weird language is indeed borrowed pretty much exact from Lovecraft. Including &amp;quot;instinct&amp;quot;. I had a bunch of Lovecraft sitting around at the time and I just copied pretty much exact quotes and language and tweeked the nouns to fit Monstructor.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 23:07, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: I just have to applaud you for the Lovecraft reference. It works perfectly.... Wonderful... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 17:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Skywarp_(Animated)&amp;diff=187162</id>
		<title>Talk:Skywarp (Animated)</title>
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		<updated>2008-05-01T12:23:15Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: New page: ==When we get an image...==  I think the caption should be something in connection to StarScream&amp;#039;s line from Mission Accomplished about another Harrier Jet.  http://transformers.wikia.com/...&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==When we get an image...==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think the caption should be something in connection to StarScream&#039;s line from Mission Accomplished about another Harrier Jet. &lt;br /&gt;
http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_Accomplished#Quotes&lt;br /&gt;
Like:&lt;br /&gt;
: [[Mission_Accomplished#Quotes|&amp;quot;The Other Harrier Jet&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Starscream_%28Animated%29|&amp;quot;Sorry, you must have me confused with some other harrier jet.&amp;quot;]][[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Sari_Sumdac_(Animated)&amp;diff=105012</id>
		<title>Sari Sumdac (Animated)</title>
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		<updated>2008-04-30T12:07:12Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;Sari  Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a [[Tentakil_%28Energon%29|Squid-Creature]]. We&#039;re not all that sure right now to be honest....&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Sari_Animated.JPG|right|thumb|150px|[[Isaac Sumdac|Daddies]], don&#039;t let your babies grow up to be [[Kiss Players]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Sari Sumdac&#039;&#039;&#039;, the adopted daughter of robotics genius [[Isaac Sumdac]], doesn&#039;t get out much. She spends all her time within her father&#039;s laboratories, receiving her education from [[Tutor Bot|robots]]. Despite this, she doesn&#039;t seem like a shut-in. She&#039;s curious, excitable, adventurous, and knows that crying can sometimes get her what she wants. She just doesn&#039;t know what it&#039;s like to be around other kids. Fortunately, she has [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] to help with that, and she claims that Bee is the best friend she&#039;s ever had. In fact, she&#039;s become very possessive of all her robotic friends.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Sari Sumdac&#039;s key|key]] around her neck has miraculous powers from the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]], but her guardian, the robotic dog [[Sparkplug (Animated)|Sparkplug]], thinks it&#039;s just another chew toy.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Transformers: Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Tara Strong]] (English), [[Tanja Schmitz]] (German)&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:SariLayingDown1.jpg|left|300px|thumb|[[Yūki Ōshima]] is drooling as we speak.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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When her pet robot dog, Sparkplug, stole her security key card, Sari chased it outside and was confronted by [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], who spoke to her as if she were Sparkplug&#039;s pet. Naturally, she freaked out, but quickly befriended Bumblebee once he saved her from a giant bug that had grown from her father&#039;s nanite experiment gone awry. Stowing away on Bumblebee and coming aboard the &#039;&#039;[[Ark (Animated)|Ark]]&#039;&#039;, she came across the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]], which infused part of its power into her security key. This allowed her to heal [[Transformer]]s, such as the injured [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], earning her brownie points with the &#039;Bots. She also managed to talk the police down from shooting the Autobots, saying they were friendly (except [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], who was grumpy, but not evil). Sari later helped teach the Autobots about [[Earth]] and [[human]]s, explaining their method reproduction to a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; startled [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Sariprime.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Prime was never the same after this.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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During the unveiling of her father&#039;s new transit system, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] arrived and attacked. Bumblebee took a shot meant for Sari, allowing Starscream to capture him, Professor Sumdac, the Mayor, and [[Captain Fanzone]]. Sari came up with the idea to distract Starscream while she and Prowl rescued the others (even faking some tears to make it happen). Her key later saved Optimus Prime&#039;s life when she used it to revive his [[spark]]. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sari would go on to be Bumblebee&#039;s usual partner in crime, encouraging him to engage in such questionable activities as high-profile wrestling matches {{storylink|Total Meltdown}} and installing rocket boosters to make him go faster. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}} Sari likely hangs out with Bumblebee because she knows she can scare the holy be[[primus]] out of him. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Saricostume.jpg|left|thumb|100px|Trivia: Transformers [[Generation 1|used to]] look like this.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On Sari&#039;s eighth birthday, the only other kids who turned up were the children of her dad&#039;s employees. None of them really wanted to be there and soon focused their attention on the Autobots. Sari was left alone and shunned along with Bulkhead, both morose that the kids didn&#039;t like them. Her father&#039;s present, a music robot called [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], cheered her up, and she soon began neglecting her friendship with Bulkhead in favour of her new toy. Repeated uses of her AllSpark Key turned Soundwave into a malevolent, sentient being who tried to enslave Humanity, and she learnt she&#039;d been wrong to ignore her friend. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the [[Decepticon]]s [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, the two Decepticons manhandled the Autobots. Although they survived, it made apparent the fact that more would come looking for the AllSpark, so the Autobots decided to repair the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039; and leave Earth. Sari&#039;s reaction to this was displeasure (in the form of a high pitch shout of NO!). However, they needed Sari&#039;s key to assist Ratchet in repairing the ship. Sari was unwilling to help them leave, nor was she pleased to work with a grouch like Ratchet (who was not that keen on working with a [[protoform]]), but they managed to get her to the ship. While alone with the AllSpark, Sari decided to try and sabotage the ship, thereby keeping the Autobots on Earth (and dooming her species to enslavement and/or extinction) but the key repaired the damage. After that, the AllSpark showed her an image of [[Megatron (Animated)|a giant Transformer]]. In her panic, Sari opened the air lock, nearly drowning, but Ratchet saved her. Ratchet then explained that they were leaving because they couldn&#039;t risk anything happening to Earth or her. Swayed by his compassion, Sari used her key to reactivate the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;s decommissioned weapons, reducing Blitzwing and Lugnut to pieces. {{storylink|Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] decided that the AllSpark key was no longer safe in Sari&#039;s hands, and he ordered Ratchet to take it from her. Distraught, Sari ran off crying, only to be captured later by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who was looking for the key herself. Sari basically told her &amp;quot;too little, too late,&amp;quot; and the two seemed to have a heart-to-heart about their gripes with the Autobots. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While Sari was actually misleading Blackarachnia in circles around the frozen Lake Erie, she was grabbed by Ratchet as he brought the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039; out of the lake.  She was ticked that Ratchet had lost her key and that her dad had helped rebuild [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], but the blame game ceased after the ship crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Prime told the Sumdacs to stay with the ship while they went to fight off Megatron. Fearing that they might die, Isaac Sumdac said that there was something that he needed to tell Sari, but she was more interested in finding something else the AllSpark could charge.  The AllSpark refused to respond, other than cryptically displaying an image of a DNA strand.  Suddenly, Megatron and Prime burst through the hull of the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039;, and during their fight, the key once again fell into her hands.  Sari tossed it to Optimus Prime, who used the key destroy the AllSpark and disperse its energy. Acknowledging that he had been wrong in taking from her, Optimus Prime gave the key back to Sari, saying that as the most powerful Cybertronian artifact on Earth, it was too important to be left in the hands of an Autobot.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately, all was not well, for Sari could not find her dad...as he was now a prisoner of Megatron. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:dramatic change in plot.jpg|right|180px|thumb|The tide has turned!]]&lt;br /&gt;
After her father&#039;s disappearance, Sari took over running [[Sumdac Systems]]. Board chairman [[Porter C. Powell]] opposed her, saying that she was too young and wasting company resources searching for her father. When the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] arrived, Sari was cut off from the Autobots and her only source of emotional support. She soon needed them, as police drones coming out of a Sumdac assembly line began to malfunction, and Powell was unwilling to do anything about it. Sneaking aboard the [[Elite Guard ship]], Sari put the fear of [[Primus|god]] into [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] before Bulkhead explained that Sari was okay (and Bumblebee explained that [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] was a jerk). With Optimus, Prowl, and Jazz&#039;s help, Sari managed to get into the plant&#039;s assembly line and shut down the systems. When she returned home, she found that she had been locked out of her office, as Powell was now CEO and Chairman of Sumdac Systems. Insisting that it was still her company, Sari was shocked when Powell revealed that she had no birth certificate, no adoption papers, and no social security number. Powell&#039;s smug revelation made Sari realize that not only was there no proof that she was Sumdac&#039;s daughter, there was no legal proof she even existed. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After that, Powell kicked Sari out of Sumdac Tower, took Tutor Bot and Sparkplug, and gave her room to [[Headmaster (Animated)|Henry Masterson]] as an office. With nowhere to go, she went to Autobot HQ. Bumblebee and Bulkhead tried their best to cheer her up, such as loud music, offering food, and trying to give her a teaching lesson. All they did was make things worse. Eventually, Prowl put the two bots in their place and told them to &#039;&#039;listen&#039;&#039; to her. Sari opened up about all her frustrations, such her missing father, being kicked out of her home, her fear of Powell ruining her father&#039;s company, and the fact that there was no record of her existence. Bumblebee promised that they were there for her, no matter what, and Sari finally started to feel a little better. {{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{spoiler|Mission Accomplished}}&lt;br /&gt;
And then [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] decided that the Autobots couldn&#039;t be there for her, as the Decepticons began attacking the fringes of Autobot space, and they were needed elsewhere. The Autobots decided that Captain Fanzone was the one to leave her with (granted, their list of humans was rather short, and included [[Prometheus Black]] and [[Nanosec]]) but the Autobots managed to convince Magnus that there were Decepticons on Earth (mostly because Starscream fell out of the sky and landed about ten feet in front of them), allowing them to stay on planet. {{storylink|Mission Accomplished}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Trivia==&lt;br /&gt;
*See that picture of Sari up top? She&#039;s got different boots in-show. Her key is different, too.&lt;br /&gt;
*Unused animation from an early version of the opening credits showed Sari riding a tricycle that transformed into a jetpack.  This device has not yet actually appeared in the series.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sari and fans==&lt;br /&gt;
*Fan reaction to Sari has been mixed{{m-}}some fans hate her, quite a few love her, and some are neutral.  Considering the widespread vitriol heaped upon previous child characters in Transformers shows (e.g., [[Kicker]]), that means she&#039;s come off reasonably well.&lt;br /&gt;
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*In contrast, her &#039;&#039;deus ex machina&#039;&#039; AllSpark key was initially less popular. However, later episodes in the first season showed it to have potentially disastrous effects when used frivolously (e.g., [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]), and hopefully, she will cease using it as the cure for all ills. In early Season 2 the key becomes less of a major plot device and Sari-plus-key is mainly used for quick repairs as the plots swing to revolve more around the Autobots fighting the Decepticons and/or villain of the week.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Since virtually the premiere of the show, fans have been speculating whether there is &amp;quot;more than meets the eye&amp;quot; to Sari.  Some theorize she could turn out to be a robot, though past events on the show have clearly marked her as at least &#039;&#039;partially&#039;&#039; organic (e.g., she deteriorates by anti-organic radiation in &amp;quot;[[Along Came a Spider]]&amp;quot;, catches a cold in &amp;quot;[[Nature Calls]]&amp;quot;, and sets off the Elite Guard ship&#039;s organic contamination alert in &amp;quot;[[The Elite Guard]]&amp;quot; ).  There is definitely &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; mysterious going on, though, as hinted by voice actor Tara Strong, who said in an interview that Sari&#039;s &amp;quot;entire identity might come as a surprise.&amp;quot;  In &amp;quot;[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]&amp;quot;, Isaac, believing they were both about to die, attempts to tell Sari &amp;quot;something important&amp;quot;, only to have her run off before he can continue.  Sari then asks the AllSpark why it chose to empower her in the first place, and its &amp;quot;answer&amp;quot; is to project a DNA strand surrounding a [[spark|blue, glowing orb]].  In the following episode, &amp;quot;[[The Elite Guard]]&amp;quot;, we find out that there is no legal documentation of Sari&#039;s existence, not even adoption papers, despite Sari&#039;s official character profile on the [[Hasbro]] website saying she is adopted.  Though there is obviously much yet to be divulged, the implication is that there is something strange and unique about Sari. Although the writers gave no indication of what the truth was at a [[BotCon 2008]] panel, they &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; remark that they were enjoying seeing all the theories about her. At least &#039;&#039;someone&#039;&#039; is...&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[http://www.tarastrong.com/ Tara Strong&#039;s Website confirming her role in Transformers]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise */&lt;/p&gt;
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&#039;Tentative&#039; meta-category?  (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sandals and such==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m debating undoing the &amp;quot;not a Kiss Player&amp;quot; addition, but can&#039;t quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone else.  I&#039;m also tempted to change the picture caption, as I&#039;m pretty sure those aren&#039;t sandals.  (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.)  However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow.  If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Adopted?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m curious... what&#039;s the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari&#039;s bio stated that she&#039;s adopted.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Well-liked character?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d really like to debate that she&#039;s &amp;quot;well-liked&amp;quot; so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her.  So unless we&#039;re of a gross minority, I think it&#039;s safe to say her appeal is not universal.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t hate her, therefore every fan doesn&#039;t hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her!  I&#039;m just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her.  And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my &amp;quot;social circle&amp;quot; and so far it&#039;s been nothing but &amp;quot;she&#039;s annoying&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;neutral.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thus far, I kinda like her.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I personally like how she&#039;s the first girl in an American-made series to be &#039;&#039;&#039;the&#039;&#039;&#039; major human character, and she&#039;s a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn&#039;t annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn&#039;t make me automatically love all the characters she plays.  The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari&#039;s character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no &amp;quot;omg sekrit POWARZ&amp;quot; to make him more &amp;quot;interesting.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Spike didn&#039;t have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there&#039;s the Headmaster thing. Also, calling &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039;&#039;s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon &#039;&#039;way&#039;&#039; to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe.  They were all &amp;quot;human&amp;quot; in the same way.  But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime.  And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans.  In fact, that&#039;s WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1&#039;s lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art.  Anyway, I&#039;m running speedily away from my point.  That is, I and every other TF fan I&#039;ve talked to absolutely despise Sari.  Calling her &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me.  It&#039;s fine to call her a &amp;quot;generally liked character&amp;quot; or even just &amp;quot;a popular human character,&amp;quot; but using the turn of phrase that&#039;s there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.  &lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Hell, at this point I&#039;d even take Kicker.  At least his art style doesn&#039;t hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already!  People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube.  People dismissed the game as &amp;quot;kiddie&amp;quot; just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series.  Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Just give it a chance.  I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80&#039;s comic look of G1.  Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]?  Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat.  At least in a cartoon that&#039;s somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I&#039;ve been giving it as much of a chance as I can.  And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like).  TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it&#039;s laughable.  I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do.  And the &amp;quot;but the movie did it!&amp;quot; excuse doesn&#039;t quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay.  Oh, and the movie didn&#039;t use it EVERY HALF HOUR.  &#039;OHAI, it&#039;s a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.&#039; ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don&#039;t like her!  She is annoying.  All others that I have spoken to share this opinion.  It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual.&amp;quot; [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against.  If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we&#039;ll most likely change the page.  [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Well, that&#039;s frustrating.  The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki?  Lamesauce.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::No, but we&#039;re confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren&#039;t cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them.  The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::I&#039;m not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) &#039;&#039;exressing&#039;&#039; the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument.  So we have to say &amp;quot;Gee, if &#039;&#039;everyone&#039;&#039; thinks this, do most of us think this?&amp;quot;  And if the answer&#039;s no, we&#039;ll usually revert sweeping statements.  It&#039;s possible that we might be &#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039; and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it&#039;s the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::If you&#039;re not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all?  I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom.  Please, feel free to re-read my comments.  I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it&#039;s unjustifiably overblown in the article.   Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views.  I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the &amp;quot;Notes&amp;quot; section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That&#039;s Jazz. lulz.) I&#039;m actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it&#039;s hard when I&#039;m surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Well we can&#039;t very well quantify &amp;quot;all others you have spoken to,&amp;quot; no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked&amp;quot; comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there&#039;s probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I&#039;d quantify it as &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s my opinion of Sari- she&#039;s okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she&#039;s astonishingly &#039;&#039;non&#039;&#039;-annoying.  So &#039;reasonably well liked.&#039;-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as &amp;quot;TF:CHINS.&amp;quot; --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I&#039;m automatically discounted?  Wow.  I guess I&#039;ve been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far.  It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I&#039;m a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible.  I&#039;m not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I&#039;m just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her.  Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she&#039;s a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT?  I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me.  And I really don&#039;t consider TF:CHINS to be a &#039;derisive&#039; nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated&#039;s art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual&amp;quot; conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::The &amp;quot;arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron&amp;quot; folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was &#039;&#039;physically abusive toward the Autobots&#039;&#039;. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Don&#039;t forget Fred&#039;s inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼&amp;quot; floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Don&#039;t forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level.  Personally, I love Sari.  Best human character in a TF series, as far as I&#039;m concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Now from what I&#039;ve seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I&#039;ve observed doesn&#039;t seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Has &#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039; here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot;?  If people don&#039;t like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that&#039;s separate from liking her herself.  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement.  He doesn&#039;t like her, and the people he&#039;s talked to (before coming here) don&#039;t like her.  That doesn&#039;t make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans.  Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans.  The phrasing &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t even remotely mean &amp;quot;all the fans think she&#039;s great&amp;quot;.  It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her.  As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks.  There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari.  But she is, on average, *not* hated.  That is definitely worthy of note.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this &amp;quot;on average?&amp;quot;  It can&#039;t be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans.  That is all I have been trying to get across here.  There&#039;s no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans.  I find the &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes.  How about we just say she&#039;s &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked&amp;quot; instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I&#039;d call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki&#039;s talk page to justify what&#039;s on the wiki!  Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me.  Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references.  Just because the people that hang out on a character&#039;s talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion.  I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked!&amp;quot;  How horrible of me!  I&#039;m corrupting the TF fandom!  Jeez.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Dude, you&#039;re not kidding when you say you&#039;re skilled at stirring up drama!  As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you&#039;ve made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion.  Maybe something along the lines of &amp;quot;mostly well-liked&amp;quot; would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yeah, what&#039;s really crazy is I&#039;m not even TRYING to stir up drama.  At this point I&#039;m convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character.  (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I&#039;m new and have a different opinion.  I&#039;m getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I say leave it the way it is.  We shouldn&#039;t change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should.  Combobreaker, you say we aren&#039;t showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked.  Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN&#039;T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Again, point missed.  The way she&#039;s referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her.  They don&#039;t, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::We&#039;re also supposed to find consensus.  We think we &#039;&#039;have&#039;&#039;.  If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe &#039;&#039;you&#039;&#039; should be citing references to support &#039;&#039;your&#039;&#039; point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki.  Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else.  I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid.  Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular.  Fine, that&#039;s awesome.  My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she&#039;s despised.  In this situation I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it&#039;s going to 11.  I&#039;d like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands.  Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Do you really think that &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; is an 11?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]?  I&#039;m sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn&#039;t let this one trivia point occupy all your time.  [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said &amp;quot;it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character&amp;quot; and Derik says she is &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s less general than what is there now.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google &amp;quot;Sari Sumdac&amp;quot; and tell me what the first result says about her.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I&#039;d start with something small.  I had no idea I&#039;d start such a mess just by wanting a character&#039;s unquantified popularity slightly edited.  That&#039;s why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn&#039;t want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off.  Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Don&#039;t worry too much about it, dude.  Contributions will be judged on their own merits.  This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers&#039;a edit; I don&#039;t think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute.  If they do, they&#039;ll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here.  I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I&#039;m a little sketchy on the human characters.  Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination!  It says she is &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked, more so than usual,&amp;quot; basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she&#039;s the mesiah or something.  [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Repowers&#039;s edit==&lt;br /&gt;
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Awesome, that&#039;s all I wanted. I&#039;m happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Not human?==&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; from it needs noting, because Tara Strong&#039;s interview and the events of &amp;quot;Megatron Rising&amp;quot; make it clear that there&#039;s &#039;&#039;SOMETHING&#039;&#039; unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s a reason I put in the whole &amp;quot;counterpoints&amp;quot; thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Things that don&#039;t exist==&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing how she, legally, doesn&#039;t exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don&#039;t exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::We should blank this whole article.  There is no information on a &#039;Sari Sumdac&#039;.  (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested).  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works.  I imagine we&#039;ll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now?  I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::&amp;quot;Work of genius&amp;quot; or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I&#039;m glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==S.A.R.I.==&lt;br /&gt;
It has been suggested that Sari name might be a hint, a sigla of sorts instead of an actual name. Something like Synthetic Android Robotic Inteligence.{{unsigned|194.117.20.2|12:35, 14 April 2008}}&lt;br /&gt;
:We &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t need more fan speculation before the big reveal. Take it to a discussion board.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Things I hate: &amp;quot;Reveal&amp;quot; being used as a noun. It&#039;s a &#039;&#039;verb&#039;&#039;. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has been suggested that Sari might actually be a squid-creature, as there has been zero proof that she has bones.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We&#039;re all fools! She is Obviously a [[Godmaster|Godmaster]]! Look at her Optimus Prime Costume, She&#039;s Ginrai Reborn!&lt;br /&gt;
:::Joking aside, I would like to suggest an alternative caption for the pic of Sari dressed as Optimus Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
::::  &amp;quot;Ok, new theory, she&#039;s a [[Ginrai|GodMaster]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::But yeah, no more Fan Theories, when we&#039;re probably about to be shown the truth..... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Sari  Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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But is she Really? &lt;br /&gt;
I know we don&#039;t want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I&#039;ve often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a [[Tentakil_%28Energon%29|Squid-Creature]]. We&#039;re not all that sure right now to be honest....&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sounds pretty good to me.  Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the &amp;quot;debate&amp;quot; here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I&#039;ve done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&#039;Tentative&#039; meta-category?  (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sandals and such==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m debating undoing the &amp;quot;not a Kiss Player&amp;quot; addition, but can&#039;t quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone else.  I&#039;m also tempted to change the picture caption, as I&#039;m pretty sure those aren&#039;t sandals.  (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.)  However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow.  If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Adopted?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m curious... what&#039;s the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari&#039;s bio stated that she&#039;s adopted.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Well-liked character?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d really like to debate that she&#039;s &amp;quot;well-liked&amp;quot; so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her.  So unless we&#039;re of a gross minority, I think it&#039;s safe to say her appeal is not universal.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t hate her, therefore every fan doesn&#039;t hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her!  I&#039;m just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her.  And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my &amp;quot;social circle&amp;quot; and so far it&#039;s been nothing but &amp;quot;she&#039;s annoying&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;neutral.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thus far, I kinda like her.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I personally like how she&#039;s the first girl in an American-made series to be &#039;&#039;&#039;the&#039;&#039;&#039; major human character, and she&#039;s a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn&#039;t annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn&#039;t make me automatically love all the characters she plays.  The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari&#039;s character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no &amp;quot;omg sekrit POWARZ&amp;quot; to make him more &amp;quot;interesting.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Spike didn&#039;t have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there&#039;s the Headmaster thing. Also, calling &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039;&#039;s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon &#039;&#039;way&#039;&#039; to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe.  They were all &amp;quot;human&amp;quot; in the same way.  But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime.  And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans.  In fact, that&#039;s WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1&#039;s lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art.  Anyway, I&#039;m running speedily away from my point.  That is, I and every other TF fan I&#039;ve talked to absolutely despise Sari.  Calling her &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me.  It&#039;s fine to call her a &amp;quot;generally liked character&amp;quot; or even just &amp;quot;a popular human character,&amp;quot; but using the turn of phrase that&#039;s there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.  &lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Hell, at this point I&#039;d even take Kicker.  At least his art style doesn&#039;t hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already!  People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube.  People dismissed the game as &amp;quot;kiddie&amp;quot; just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series.  Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Just give it a chance.  I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80&#039;s comic look of G1.  Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]?  Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat.  At least in a cartoon that&#039;s somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I&#039;ve been giving it as much of a chance as I can.  And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like).  TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it&#039;s laughable.  I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do.  And the &amp;quot;but the movie did it!&amp;quot; excuse doesn&#039;t quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay.  Oh, and the movie didn&#039;t use it EVERY HALF HOUR.  &#039;OHAI, it&#039;s a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.&#039; ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don&#039;t like her!  She is annoying.  All others that I have spoken to share this opinion.  It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual.&amp;quot; [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against.  If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we&#039;ll most likely change the page.  [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Well, that&#039;s frustrating.  The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki?  Lamesauce.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::No, but we&#039;re confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren&#039;t cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them.  The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::I&#039;m not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) &#039;&#039;exressing&#039;&#039; the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument.  So we have to say &amp;quot;Gee, if &#039;&#039;everyone&#039;&#039; thinks this, do most of us think this?&amp;quot;  And if the answer&#039;s no, we&#039;ll usually revert sweeping statements.  It&#039;s possible that we might be &#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039; and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it&#039;s the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::If you&#039;re not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all?  I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom.  Please, feel free to re-read my comments.  I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it&#039;s unjustifiably overblown in the article.   Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views.  I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the &amp;quot;Notes&amp;quot; section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That&#039;s Jazz. lulz.) I&#039;m actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it&#039;s hard when I&#039;m surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Well we can&#039;t very well quantify &amp;quot;all others you have spoken to,&amp;quot; no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked&amp;quot; comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there&#039;s probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I&#039;d quantify it as &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s my opinion of Sari- she&#039;s okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she&#039;s astonishingly &#039;&#039;non&#039;&#039;-annoying.  So &#039;reasonably well liked.&#039;-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as &amp;quot;TF:CHINS.&amp;quot; --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I&#039;m automatically discounted?  Wow.  I guess I&#039;ve been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far.  It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I&#039;m a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible.  I&#039;m not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I&#039;m just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her.  Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she&#039;s a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT?  I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me.  And I really don&#039;t consider TF:CHINS to be a &#039;derisive&#039; nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated&#039;s art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual&amp;quot; conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::The &amp;quot;arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron&amp;quot; folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was &#039;&#039;physically abusive toward the Autobots&#039;&#039;. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Don&#039;t forget Fred&#039;s inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼&amp;quot; floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Don&#039;t forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level.  Personally, I love Sari.  Best human character in a TF series, as far as I&#039;m concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Now from what I&#039;ve seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I&#039;ve observed doesn&#039;t seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Has &#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039; here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot;?  If people don&#039;t like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that&#039;s separate from liking her herself.  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement.  He doesn&#039;t like her, and the people he&#039;s talked to (before coming here) don&#039;t like her.  That doesn&#039;t make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans.  Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans.  The phrasing &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t even remotely mean &amp;quot;all the fans think she&#039;s great&amp;quot;.  It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her.  As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks.  There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari.  But she is, on average, *not* hated.  That is definitely worthy of note.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this &amp;quot;on average?&amp;quot;  It can&#039;t be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans.  That is all I have been trying to get across here.  There&#039;s no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans.  I find the &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes.  How about we just say she&#039;s &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked&amp;quot; instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I&#039;d call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki&#039;s talk page to justify what&#039;s on the wiki!  Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me.  Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references.  Just because the people that hang out on a character&#039;s talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion.  I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked!&amp;quot;  How horrible of me!  I&#039;m corrupting the TF fandom!  Jeez.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Dude, you&#039;re not kidding when you say you&#039;re skilled at stirring up drama!  As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you&#039;ve made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion.  Maybe something along the lines of &amp;quot;mostly well-liked&amp;quot; would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yeah, what&#039;s really crazy is I&#039;m not even TRYING to stir up drama.  At this point I&#039;m convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character.  (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I&#039;m new and have a different opinion.  I&#039;m getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I say leave it the way it is.  We shouldn&#039;t change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should.  Combobreaker, you say we aren&#039;t showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked.  Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN&#039;T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Again, point missed.  The way she&#039;s referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her.  They don&#039;t, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::We&#039;re also supposed to find consensus.  We think we &#039;&#039;have&#039;&#039;.  If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe &#039;&#039;you&#039;&#039; should be citing references to support &#039;&#039;your&#039;&#039; point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki.  Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else.  I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid.  Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular.  Fine, that&#039;s awesome.  My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she&#039;s despised.  In this situation I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it&#039;s going to 11.  I&#039;d like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands.  Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Do you really think that &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; is an 11?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]?  I&#039;m sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn&#039;t let this one trivia point occupy all your time.  [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said &amp;quot;it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character&amp;quot; and Derik says she is &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s less general than what is there now.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google &amp;quot;Sari Sumdac&amp;quot; and tell me what the first result says about her.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I&#039;d start with something small.  I had no idea I&#039;d start such a mess just by wanting a character&#039;s unquantified popularity slightly edited.  That&#039;s why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn&#039;t want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off.  Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Don&#039;t worry too much about it, dude.  Contributions will be judged on their own merits.  This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers&#039;a edit; I don&#039;t think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute.  If they do, they&#039;ll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here.  I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I&#039;m a little sketchy on the human characters.  Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination!  It says she is &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked, more so than usual,&amp;quot; basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she&#039;s the mesiah or something.  [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Awesome, that&#039;s all I wanted. I&#039;m happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Not human?==&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; from it needs noting, because Tara Strong&#039;s interview and the events of &amp;quot;Megatron Rising&amp;quot; make it clear that there&#039;s &#039;&#039;SOMETHING&#039;&#039; unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s a reason I put in the whole &amp;quot;counterpoints&amp;quot; thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Things that don&#039;t exist==&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing how she, legally, doesn&#039;t exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don&#039;t exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::We should blank this whole article.  There is no information on a &#039;Sari Sumdac&#039;.  (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested).  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works.  I imagine we&#039;ll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now?  I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::&amp;quot;Work of genius&amp;quot; or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I&#039;m glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==S.A.R.I.==&lt;br /&gt;
It has been suggested that Sari name might be a hint, a sigla of sorts instead of an actual name. Something like Synthetic Android Robotic Inteligence.{{unsigned|194.117.20.2|12:35, 14 April 2008}}&lt;br /&gt;
:We &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t need more fan speculation before the big reveal. Take it to a discussion board.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Things I hate: &amp;quot;Reveal&amp;quot; being used as a noun. It&#039;s a &#039;&#039;verb&#039;&#039;. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has been suggested that Sari might actually be a squid-creature, as there has been zero proof that she has bones.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We&#039;re all fools! She is Obviously a [[Godmaster|Godmaster]]! Look at her Optimus Prime Costume, She&#039;s Ginrai Reborn!&lt;br /&gt;
:::Joking aside, I would like to suggest an alternative caption for the pic of Sari dressed as Optimus Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
::::  &amp;quot;Ok, new theory, she&#039;s a [[Ginrai|GodMaster]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::But yeah, no more Fan Theories, when we&#039;re probably about to be shown the truth..... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Sari  Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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But is she Really? &lt;br /&gt;
I know we don&#039;t want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I&#039;ve often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a [[Tentakil_%28Energon%29|Squid-Creature]]. We&#039;re not all that sure right now to be honest....&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sounds pretty good to me.  Made me chuckle. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:30, 28 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::One vote for... none against... I think I will try the change. If anyone spots it, and thinks it is a bad idea, then feel free to change it back to normal, and join the &amp;quot;debate&amp;quot; here... It can easily be changed back (the original is still here, and all I&#039;ve done is added something to the end). [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;I&#039;ve just gotta say, I love that caption on the voyager prime pic.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Price Points and Sub-lines?==&lt;br /&gt;
So, I see Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader price points.  I see an &amp;quot;[[Activators]]&amp;quot; sub-line.  What&#039;s their schtick?  Is &amp;quot;Roll-Out Command&amp;quot; a sub-line, or just a unique Optimus toy filling his Leder-class gap?  I assume &amp;quot;Legends&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Scout&amp;quot; will still exist?  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;Activators&amp;quot; are the renamed &amp;quot;Fast Action Battlers&amp;quot; if I recall. Toyline for younger kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not quite that, though they sort of fill the same niche.  FABs are chunkier versions with simpler transformations and spring-loaded missile gimmicks.  Activators are chunkier, simpler versions with one-touch, spring-loaded transformations and no other gimmicks (as far as I can tell).  So far, the &amp;quot;Roll-Out Command&amp;quot; OP does appear to be unique in having that title.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think the Activators are also Basic-sized, unless the guy in the video Thy took has HUGE hands. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro&#039;s site calls the activators &amp;quot;scout-scaled&amp;quot; toys. They will also release a handheld video game type thing &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; the OP battle-rig gun as Animated prime. Also, the new movie legends figures, combined with the universe&#039;s announced legends-class figures, make it seem inevitable it will include legends, and quite possibily robot heroes (even though the other &#039;08 property &#039;&#039;[[Crossovers (toyline)|Transformers: Crossovers]]&#039;&#039; has no evidence of either of the last to sublines).--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Release Date: March 25? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So, there&#039;s [http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12606 a news report] over on Seibertron.com saying that the first wave of Transformer Animated toys will be out next week.  Anyone know if this is true?  [[User:JW|JW]] 19:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe someone should correct the &amp;quot;To be released in June&amp;quot; bit, since some of the toys are officially out in the US now by the sounds of it?&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone know what the UK release date is? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 17:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==SkyWarp Voyager?==&lt;br /&gt;
Just noticed that SkyWarp seems to have been added to the Voyager list. Is that Official, or someone doing some eduacated guesses?&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m guessing that this is something that could quite easily have just been revealled at BotCon, but I just wanted to be sure.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 17:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==eBay Animated Maddness==&lt;br /&gt;
Just wondering. Should we include a small paragraph about the way the Animated Line toys have been appearing on eBay for several Months before their official release, en mass; and how Hasbro is now taking legal action against these sellers? I don&#039;t have a source for the latter, other than a friend buying them on eBay, and after the last couple he brought and paid for, he got an email form the seller saying he had had to cancel the remaining auctions, and he didn&#039;t have to pay if he didn&#039;t want to; due to some warning he had received (though he had already paid, and they arrived, and Grimlock is awesome.... Gaaahhh! I want a UK release date!).[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 17:40, 29 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Transformers Animated (toyline)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;I&#039;ve just gotta say, I love that caption on the voyager prime pic.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:41, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
==Price Points and Sub-lines?==&lt;br /&gt;
So, I see Deluxe, Voyager, and Leader price points.  I see an &amp;quot;[[Activators]]&amp;quot; sub-line.  What&#039;s their schtick?  Is &amp;quot;Roll-Out Command&amp;quot; a sub-line, or just a unique Optimus toy filling his Leder-class gap?  I assume &amp;quot;Legends&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Scout&amp;quot; will still exist?  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:&amp;quot;Activators&amp;quot; are the renamed &amp;quot;Fast Action Battlers&amp;quot; if I recall. Toyline for younger kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Not quite that, though they sort of fill the same niche.  FABs are chunkier versions with simpler transformations and spring-loaded missile gimmicks.  Activators are chunkier, simpler versions with one-touch, spring-loaded transformations and no other gimmicks (as far as I can tell).  So far, the &amp;quot;Roll-Out Command&amp;quot; OP does appear to be unique in having that title.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I think the Activators are also Basic-sized, unless the guy in the video Thy took has HUGE hands. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro&#039;s site calls the activators &amp;quot;scout-scaled&amp;quot; toys. They will also release a handheld video game type thing &#039;&#039;and&#039;&#039; the OP battle-rig gun as Animated prime. Also, the new movie legends figures, combined with the universe&#039;s announced legends-class figures, make it seem inevitable it will include legends, and quite possibily robot heroes (even though the other &#039;08 property &#039;&#039;[[Crossovers (toyline)|Transformers: Crossovers]]&#039;&#039; has no evidence of either of the last to sublines).--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 21:13, 24 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Release Date: March 25? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So, there&#039;s [http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12606 a news report] over on Seibertron.com saying that the first wave of Transformer Animated toys will be out next week.  Anyone know if this is true?  [[User:JW|JW]] 19:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Maybe someone should correct the &amp;quot;To be released in June&amp;quot; bit, since some of the toys are officially out in the US now by the sounds of it?&lt;br /&gt;
Anyone know what the UK release date is? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 17:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==SkyWarp Voyager?==&lt;br /&gt;
Just noticed that SkyWarp seems to have been added to the Voyager list. Is that Official, or someone doing some eduacated guesses?&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m guessing that this is something that could quite easily have just been revealled at BotCon, but I just wanted to be sure.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 17:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Sari Sumdac (Animated)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Meta-category==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;Tentative&#039; meta-category?  (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sandals and such==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m debating undoing the &amp;quot;not a Kiss Player&amp;quot; addition, but can&#039;t quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone else.  I&#039;m also tempted to change the picture caption, as I&#039;m pretty sure those aren&#039;t sandals.  (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.)  However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow.  If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Adopted?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m curious... what&#039;s the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari&#039;s bio stated that she&#039;s adopted.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Well-liked character?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d really like to debate that she&#039;s &amp;quot;well-liked&amp;quot; so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her.  So unless we&#039;re of a gross minority, I think it&#039;s safe to say her appeal is not universal.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t hate her, therefore every fan doesn&#039;t hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her!  I&#039;m just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her.  And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my &amp;quot;social circle&amp;quot; and so far it&#039;s been nothing but &amp;quot;she&#039;s annoying&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;neutral.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thus far, I kinda like her.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I personally like how she&#039;s the first girl in an American-made series to be &#039;&#039;&#039;the&#039;&#039;&#039; major human character, and she&#039;s a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn&#039;t annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn&#039;t make me automatically love all the characters she plays.  The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari&#039;s character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no &amp;quot;omg sekrit POWARZ&amp;quot; to make him more &amp;quot;interesting.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Spike didn&#039;t have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there&#039;s the Headmaster thing. Also, calling &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039;&#039;s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon &#039;&#039;way&#039;&#039; to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe.  They were all &amp;quot;human&amp;quot; in the same way.  But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime.  And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans.  In fact, that&#039;s WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1&#039;s lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art.  Anyway, I&#039;m running speedily away from my point.  That is, I and every other TF fan I&#039;ve talked to absolutely despise Sari.  Calling her &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me.  It&#039;s fine to call her a &amp;quot;generally liked character&amp;quot; or even just &amp;quot;a popular human character,&amp;quot; but using the turn of phrase that&#039;s there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.  &lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Hell, at this point I&#039;d even take Kicker.  At least his art style doesn&#039;t hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already!  People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube.  People dismissed the game as &amp;quot;kiddie&amp;quot; just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series.  Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Just give it a chance.  I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80&#039;s comic look of G1.  Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]?  Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat.  At least in a cartoon that&#039;s somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I&#039;ve been giving it as much of a chance as I can.  And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like).  TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it&#039;s laughable.  I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do.  And the &amp;quot;but the movie did it!&amp;quot; excuse doesn&#039;t quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay.  Oh, and the movie didn&#039;t use it EVERY HALF HOUR.  &#039;OHAI, it&#039;s a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.&#039; ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don&#039;t like her!  She is annoying.  All others that I have spoken to share this opinion.  It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual.&amp;quot; [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against.  If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we&#039;ll most likely change the page.  [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Well, that&#039;s frustrating.  The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki?  Lamesauce.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::No, but we&#039;re confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren&#039;t cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them.  The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::I&#039;m not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) &#039;&#039;exressing&#039;&#039; the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument.  So we have to say &amp;quot;Gee, if &#039;&#039;everyone&#039;&#039; thinks this, do most of us think this?&amp;quot;  And if the answer&#039;s no, we&#039;ll usually revert sweeping statements.  It&#039;s possible that we might be &#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039; and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it&#039;s the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::If you&#039;re not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all?  I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom.  Please, feel free to re-read my comments.  I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it&#039;s unjustifiably overblown in the article.   Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views.  I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the &amp;quot;Notes&amp;quot; section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That&#039;s Jazz. lulz.) I&#039;m actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it&#039;s hard when I&#039;m surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Well we can&#039;t very well quantify &amp;quot;all others you have spoken to,&amp;quot; no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked&amp;quot; comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there&#039;s probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I&#039;d quantify it as &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s my opinion of Sari- she&#039;s okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she&#039;s astonishingly &#039;&#039;non&#039;&#039;-annoying.  So &#039;reasonably well liked.&#039;-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as &amp;quot;TF:CHINS.&amp;quot; --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I&#039;m automatically discounted?  Wow.  I guess I&#039;ve been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far.  It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I&#039;m a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible.  I&#039;m not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I&#039;m just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her.  Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she&#039;s a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT?  I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me.  And I really don&#039;t consider TF:CHINS to be a &#039;derisive&#039; nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated&#039;s art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual&amp;quot; conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::The &amp;quot;arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron&amp;quot; folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was &#039;&#039;physically abusive toward the Autobots&#039;&#039;. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Don&#039;t forget Fred&#039;s inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼&amp;quot; floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Don&#039;t forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level.  Personally, I love Sari.  Best human character in a TF series, as far as I&#039;m concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Now from what I&#039;ve seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I&#039;ve observed doesn&#039;t seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Has &#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039; here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot;?  If people don&#039;t like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that&#039;s separate from liking her herself.  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement.  He doesn&#039;t like her, and the people he&#039;s talked to (before coming here) don&#039;t like her.  That doesn&#039;t make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans.  Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans.  The phrasing &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t even remotely mean &amp;quot;all the fans think she&#039;s great&amp;quot;.  It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her.  As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks.  There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari.  But she is, on average, *not* hated.  That is definitely worthy of note.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this &amp;quot;on average?&amp;quot;  It can&#039;t be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans.  That is all I have been trying to get across here.  There&#039;s no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans.  I find the &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes.  How about we just say she&#039;s &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked&amp;quot; instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I&#039;d call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki&#039;s talk page to justify what&#039;s on the wiki!  Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me.  Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references.  Just because the people that hang out on a character&#039;s talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion.  I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked!&amp;quot;  How horrible of me!  I&#039;m corrupting the TF fandom!  Jeez.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Dude, you&#039;re not kidding when you say you&#039;re skilled at stirring up drama!  As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you&#039;ve made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion.  Maybe something along the lines of &amp;quot;mostly well-liked&amp;quot; would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yeah, what&#039;s really crazy is I&#039;m not even TRYING to stir up drama.  At this point I&#039;m convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character.  (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I&#039;m new and have a different opinion.  I&#039;m getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I say leave it the way it is.  We shouldn&#039;t change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should.  Combobreaker, you say we aren&#039;t showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked.  Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN&#039;T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Again, point missed.  The way she&#039;s referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her.  They don&#039;t, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::We&#039;re also supposed to find consensus.  We think we &#039;&#039;have&#039;&#039;.  If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe &#039;&#039;you&#039;&#039; should be citing references to support &#039;&#039;your&#039;&#039; point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki.  Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else.  I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid.  Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular.  Fine, that&#039;s awesome.  My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she&#039;s despised.  In this situation I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it&#039;s going to 11.  I&#039;d like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands.  Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Do you really think that &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; is an 11?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]?  I&#039;m sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn&#039;t let this one trivia point occupy all your time.  [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said &amp;quot;it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character&amp;quot; and Derik says she is &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s less general than what is there now.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google &amp;quot;Sari Sumdac&amp;quot; and tell me what the first result says about her.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I&#039;d start with something small.  I had no idea I&#039;d start such a mess just by wanting a character&#039;s unquantified popularity slightly edited.  That&#039;s why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn&#039;t want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off.  Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Don&#039;t worry too much about it, dude.  Contributions will be judged on their own merits.  This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers&#039;a edit; I don&#039;t think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute.  If they do, they&#039;ll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here.  I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I&#039;m a little sketchy on the human characters.  Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination!  It says she is &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked, more so than usual,&amp;quot; basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she&#039;s the mesiah or something.  [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Repowers&#039;s edit==&lt;br /&gt;
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Awesome, that&#039;s all I wanted. I&#039;m happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Not human?==&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; from it needs noting, because Tara Strong&#039;s interview and the events of &amp;quot;Megatron Rising&amp;quot; make it clear that there&#039;s &#039;&#039;SOMETHING&#039;&#039; unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s a reason I put in the whole &amp;quot;counterpoints&amp;quot; thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Things that don&#039;t exist==&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing how she, legally, doesn&#039;t exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don&#039;t exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::We should blank this whole article.  There is no information on a &#039;Sari Sumdac&#039;.  (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested).  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works.  I imagine we&#039;ll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now?  I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::&amp;quot;Work of genius&amp;quot; or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I&#039;m glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==S.A.R.I.==&lt;br /&gt;
It has been suggested that Sari name might be a hint, a sigla of sorts instead of an actual name. Something like Synthetic Android Robotic Inteligence.{{unsigned|194.117.20.2|12:35, 14 April 2008}}&lt;br /&gt;
:We &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t need more fan speculation before the big reveal. Take it to a discussion board.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Things I hate: &amp;quot;Reveal&amp;quot; being used as a noun. It&#039;s a &#039;&#039;verb&#039;&#039;. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has been suggested that Sari might actually be a squid-creature, as there has been zero proof that she has bones.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We&#039;re all fools! She is Obviously a [[Godmaster|Godmaster]]! Look at her Optimus Prime Costume, She&#039;s Ginrai Reborn!&lt;br /&gt;
:::Joking aside, I would like to suggest an alternative caption for the pic of Sari dressed as Optimus Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
::::  &amp;quot;Ok, new theory, she&#039;s a [[Ginrai|GodMaster]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::But yeah, no more Fan Theories, when we&#039;re probably about to be shown the truth..... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sari is a Human from the Animated franchise==&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;Sari  Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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But is she Really? &lt;br /&gt;
I know we don&#039;t want fan theories, but how about a little bit of a joke. I mean, I&#039;ve often seen these bits written amusingly on our Wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]]. Probably. Or she could be a Robot. or maybe a [[Tentakil_%28Energon%29|Squid-Creature]]. We&#039;re not all that sure right now to be honest....&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;Tentative&#039; meta-category?  (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sandals and such==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m debating undoing the &amp;quot;not a Kiss Player&amp;quot; addition, but can&#039;t quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone else.  I&#039;m also tempted to change the picture caption, as I&#039;m pretty sure those aren&#039;t sandals.  (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.)  However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow.  If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Adopted?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m curious... what&#039;s the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari&#039;s bio stated that she&#039;s adopted.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Well-liked character?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d really like to debate that she&#039;s &amp;quot;well-liked&amp;quot; so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her.  So unless we&#039;re of a gross minority, I think it&#039;s safe to say her appeal is not universal.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t hate her, therefore every fan doesn&#039;t hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her!  I&#039;m just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her.  And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my &amp;quot;social circle&amp;quot; and so far it&#039;s been nothing but &amp;quot;she&#039;s annoying&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;neutral.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thus far, I kinda like her.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I personally like how she&#039;s the first girl in an American-made series to be &#039;&#039;&#039;the&#039;&#039;&#039; major human character, and she&#039;s a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn&#039;t annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn&#039;t make me automatically love all the characters she plays.  The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari&#039;s character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no &amp;quot;omg sekrit POWARZ&amp;quot; to make him more &amp;quot;interesting.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Spike didn&#039;t have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there&#039;s the Headmaster thing. Also, calling &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039;&#039;s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon &#039;&#039;way&#039;&#039; to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe.  They were all &amp;quot;human&amp;quot; in the same way.  But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime.  And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans.  In fact, that&#039;s WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1&#039;s lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art.  Anyway, I&#039;m running speedily away from my point.  That is, I and every other TF fan I&#039;ve talked to absolutely despise Sari.  Calling her &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me.  It&#039;s fine to call her a &amp;quot;generally liked character&amp;quot; or even just &amp;quot;a popular human character,&amp;quot; but using the turn of phrase that&#039;s there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.  &lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Hell, at this point I&#039;d even take Kicker.  At least his art style doesn&#039;t hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already!  People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube.  People dismissed the game as &amp;quot;kiddie&amp;quot; just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series.  Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Just give it a chance.  I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80&#039;s comic look of G1.  Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]?  Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat.  At least in a cartoon that&#039;s somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I&#039;ve been giving it as much of a chance as I can.  And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like).  TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it&#039;s laughable.  I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do.  And the &amp;quot;but the movie did it!&amp;quot; excuse doesn&#039;t quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay.  Oh, and the movie didn&#039;t use it EVERY HALF HOUR.  &#039;OHAI, it&#039;s a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.&#039; ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don&#039;t like her!  She is annoying.  All others that I have spoken to share this opinion.  It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual.&amp;quot; [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against.  If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we&#039;ll most likely change the page.  [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Well, that&#039;s frustrating.  The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki?  Lamesauce.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::No, but we&#039;re confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren&#039;t cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them.  The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::I&#039;m not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) &#039;&#039;exressing&#039;&#039; the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument.  So we have to say &amp;quot;Gee, if &#039;&#039;everyone&#039;&#039; thinks this, do most of us think this?&amp;quot;  And if the answer&#039;s no, we&#039;ll usually revert sweeping statements.  It&#039;s possible that we might be &#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039; and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it&#039;s the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::If you&#039;re not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all?  I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom.  Please, feel free to re-read my comments.  I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it&#039;s unjustifiably overblown in the article.   Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views.  I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the &amp;quot;Notes&amp;quot; section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That&#039;s Jazz. lulz.) I&#039;m actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it&#039;s hard when I&#039;m surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Well we can&#039;t very well quantify &amp;quot;all others you have spoken to,&amp;quot; no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked&amp;quot; comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there&#039;s probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I&#039;d quantify it as &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s my opinion of Sari- she&#039;s okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she&#039;s astonishingly &#039;&#039;non&#039;&#039;-annoying.  So &#039;reasonably well liked.&#039;-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as &amp;quot;TF:CHINS.&amp;quot; --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I&#039;m automatically discounted?  Wow.  I guess I&#039;ve been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far.  It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I&#039;m a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible.  I&#039;m not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I&#039;m just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her.  Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she&#039;s a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT?  I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me.  And I really don&#039;t consider TF:CHINS to be a &#039;derisive&#039; nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated&#039;s art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual&amp;quot; conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::The &amp;quot;arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron&amp;quot; folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was &#039;&#039;physically abusive toward the Autobots&#039;&#039;. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Don&#039;t forget Fred&#039;s inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼&amp;quot; floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Don&#039;t forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level.  Personally, I love Sari.  Best human character in a TF series, as far as I&#039;m concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Now from what I&#039;ve seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I&#039;ve observed doesn&#039;t seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Has &#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039; here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot;?  If people don&#039;t like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that&#039;s separate from liking her herself.  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement.  He doesn&#039;t like her, and the people he&#039;s talked to (before coming here) don&#039;t like her.  That doesn&#039;t make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans.  Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans.  The phrasing &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t even remotely mean &amp;quot;all the fans think she&#039;s great&amp;quot;.  It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her.  As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks.  There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari.  But she is, on average, *not* hated.  That is definitely worthy of note.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this &amp;quot;on average?&amp;quot;  It can&#039;t be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans.  That is all I have been trying to get across here.  There&#039;s no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans.  I find the &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes.  How about we just say she&#039;s &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked&amp;quot; instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I&#039;d call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki&#039;s talk page to justify what&#039;s on the wiki!  Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me.  Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references.  Just because the people that hang out on a character&#039;s talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion.  I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked!&amp;quot;  How horrible of me!  I&#039;m corrupting the TF fandom!  Jeez.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Dude, you&#039;re not kidding when you say you&#039;re skilled at stirring up drama!  As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you&#039;ve made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion.  Maybe something along the lines of &amp;quot;mostly well-liked&amp;quot; would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yeah, what&#039;s really crazy is I&#039;m not even TRYING to stir up drama.  At this point I&#039;m convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character.  (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I&#039;m new and have a different opinion.  I&#039;m getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I say leave it the way it is.  We shouldn&#039;t change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should.  Combobreaker, you say we aren&#039;t showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked.  Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN&#039;T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Again, point missed.  The way she&#039;s referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her.  They don&#039;t, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::We&#039;re also supposed to find consensus.  We think we &#039;&#039;have&#039;&#039;.  If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe &#039;&#039;you&#039;&#039; should be citing references to support &#039;&#039;your&#039;&#039; point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki.  Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else.  I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid.  Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular.  Fine, that&#039;s awesome.  My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she&#039;s despised.  In this situation I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it&#039;s going to 11.  I&#039;d like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands.  Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Do you really think that &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; is an 11?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]?  I&#039;m sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn&#039;t let this one trivia point occupy all your time.  [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said &amp;quot;it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character&amp;quot; and Derik says she is &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s less general than what is there now.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google &amp;quot;Sari Sumdac&amp;quot; and tell me what the first result says about her.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I&#039;d start with something small.  I had no idea I&#039;d start such a mess just by wanting a character&#039;s unquantified popularity slightly edited.  That&#039;s why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn&#039;t want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off.  Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Don&#039;t worry too much about it, dude.  Contributions will be judged on their own merits.  This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers&#039;a edit; I don&#039;t think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute.  If they do, they&#039;ll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here.  I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I&#039;m a little sketchy on the human characters.  Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination!  It says she is &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked, more so than usual,&amp;quot; basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she&#039;s the mesiah or something.  [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Repowers&#039;s edit==&lt;br /&gt;
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Awesome, that&#039;s all I wanted. I&#039;m happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Not human?==&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; from it needs noting, because Tara Strong&#039;s interview and the events of &amp;quot;Megatron Rising&amp;quot; make it clear that there&#039;s &#039;&#039;SOMETHING&#039;&#039; unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s a reason I put in the whole &amp;quot;counterpoints&amp;quot; thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Things that don&#039;t exist==&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing how she, legally, doesn&#039;t exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don&#039;t exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::We should blank this whole article.  There is no information on a &#039;Sari Sumdac&#039;.  (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested).  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works.  I imagine we&#039;ll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now?  I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::&amp;quot;Work of genius&amp;quot; or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I&#039;m glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==S.A.R.I.==&lt;br /&gt;
It has been suggested that Sari name might be a hint, a sigla of sorts instead of an actual name. Something like Synthetic Android Robotic Inteligence.{{unsigned|194.117.20.2|12:35, 14 April 2008}}&lt;br /&gt;
:We &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t need more fan speculation before the big reveal. Take it to a discussion board.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Things I hate: &amp;quot;Reveal&amp;quot; being used as a noun. It&#039;s a &#039;&#039;verb&#039;&#039;. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has been suggested that Sari might actually be a squid-creature, as there has been zero proof that she has bones.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We&#039;re all fools! She is Obviously a [[Godmaster|Godmaster]]! Look at her Optimus Prime Costume, She&#039;s Ginrai Reborn!&lt;br /&gt;
:::Joking aside, I would like to suggest an alternative caption for the pic of Sari dressed as Optimus Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
::::  &amp;quot;Ok, new theory, she&#039;s a [[Ginrai|GodMaster]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::But yeah, no more Fan Theories, when we&#039;re probably about to be shown the truth..... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&#039;Tentative&#039; meta-category?  (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sandals and such==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m debating undoing the &amp;quot;not a Kiss Player&amp;quot; addition, but can&#039;t quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I&#039;ll leave it to someone else.  I&#039;m also tempted to change the picture caption, as I&#039;m pretty sure those aren&#039;t sandals.  (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.)  However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow.  If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Adopted?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m curious... what&#039;s the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari&#039;s bio stated that she&#039;s adopted.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Well-liked character?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;d really like to debate that she&#039;s &amp;quot;well-liked&amp;quot; so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her.  So unless we&#039;re of a gross minority, I think it&#039;s safe to say her appeal is not universal.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I don&#039;t hate her, therefore every fan doesn&#039;t hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her!  I&#039;m just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her.  And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my &amp;quot;social circle&amp;quot; and so far it&#039;s been nothing but &amp;quot;she&#039;s annoying&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;neutral.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Thus far, I kinda like her.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I personally like how she&#039;s the first girl in an American-made series to be &#039;&#039;&#039;the&#039;&#039;&#039; major human character, and she&#039;s a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO.  --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn&#039;t annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn&#039;t make me automatically love all the characters she plays.  The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari&#039;s character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no &amp;quot;omg sekrit POWARZ&amp;quot; to make him more &amp;quot;interesting.&amp;quot;  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Spike didn&#039;t have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there&#039;s the Headmaster thing. Also, calling &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039;&#039;s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon &#039;&#039;way&#039;&#039; to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe.  They were all &amp;quot;human&amp;quot; in the same way.  But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime.  And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans.  In fact, that&#039;s WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1&#039;s lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art.  Anyway, I&#039;m running speedily away from my point.  That is, I and every other TF fan I&#039;ve talked to absolutely despise Sari.  Calling her &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me.  It&#039;s fine to call her a &amp;quot;generally liked character&amp;quot; or even just &amp;quot;a popular human character,&amp;quot; but using the turn of phrase that&#039;s there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.  &lt;br /&gt;
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::::::Hell, at this point I&#039;d even take Kicker.  At least his art style doesn&#039;t hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already!  People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube.  People dismissed the game as &amp;quot;kiddie&amp;quot; just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series.  Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Just give it a chance.  I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80&#039;s comic look of G1.  Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]?  Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat.  At least in a cartoon that&#039;s somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I&#039;ve been giving it as much of a chance as I can.  And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like).  TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it&#039;s laughable.  I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do.  And the &amp;quot;but the movie did it!&amp;quot; excuse doesn&#039;t quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay.  Oh, and the movie didn&#039;t use it EVERY HALF HOUR.  &#039;OHAI, it&#039;s a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.&#039; ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don&#039;t like her!  She is annoying.  All others that I have spoken to share this opinion.  It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual.&amp;quot; [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against.  If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we&#039;ll most likely change the page.  [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Well, that&#039;s frustrating.  The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki?  Lamesauce.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::No, but we&#039;re confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren&#039;t cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them.  The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::I&#039;m not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) &#039;&#039;exressing&#039;&#039; the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument.  So we have to say &amp;quot;Gee, if &#039;&#039;everyone&#039;&#039; thinks this, do most of us think this?&amp;quot;  And if the answer&#039;s no, we&#039;ll usually revert sweeping statements.  It&#039;s possible that we might be &#039;&#039;wrong&#039;&#039; and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it&#039;s the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::If you&#039;re not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all?  I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom.  Please, feel free to re-read my comments.  I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it&#039;s unjustifiably overblown in the article.   Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views.  I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the &amp;quot;Notes&amp;quot; section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That&#039;s Jazz. lulz.) I&#039;m actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it&#039;s hard when I&#039;m surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Well we can&#039;t very well quantify &amp;quot;all others you have spoken to,&amp;quot; no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked&amp;quot; comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there&#039;s probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I&#039;d quantify it as &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s my opinion of Sari- she&#039;s okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she&#039;s astonishingly &#039;&#039;non&#039;&#039;-annoying.  So &#039;reasonably well liked.&#039;-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as &amp;quot;TF:CHINS.&amp;quot; --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I&#039;m automatically discounted?  Wow.  I guess I&#039;ve been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far.  It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I&#039;m a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible.  I&#039;m not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I&#039;m just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her.  Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she&#039;s a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT?  I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me.  And I really don&#039;t consider TF:CHINS to be a &#039;derisive&#039; nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated&#039;s art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual&amp;quot; conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)    &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::::::The &amp;quot;arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron&amp;quot; folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was &#039;&#039;physically abusive toward the Autobots&#039;&#039;. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Don&#039;t forget Fred&#039;s inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼&amp;quot; floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Don&#039;t forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level.  Personally, I love Sari.  Best human character in a TF series, as far as I&#039;m concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line &amp;quot;Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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Now from what I&#039;ve seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I&#039;ve observed doesn&#039;t seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article.  --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Has &#039;&#039;anyone&#039;&#039; here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot;?  If people don&#039;t like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that&#039;s separate from liking her herself.  [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement.  He doesn&#039;t like her, and the people he&#039;s talked to (before coming here) don&#039;t like her.  That doesn&#039;t make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans.  Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in &#039;&#039;their&#039;&#039; observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans.  The phrasing &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; doesn&#039;t even remotely mean &amp;quot;all the fans think she&#039;s great&amp;quot;.  It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her.  As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks.  There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari.  But she is, on average, *not* hated.  That is definitely worthy of note.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this &amp;quot;on average?&amp;quot;  It can&#039;t be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans.  That is all I have been trying to get across here.  There&#039;s no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans.  I find the &amp;quot;well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes.  How about we just say she&#039;s &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked&amp;quot; instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I&#039;d call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki&#039;s talk page to justify what&#039;s on the wiki!  Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me.  Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references.  Just because the people that hang out on a character&#039;s talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion.  I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being &amp;quot;generally popular&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;mostly liked!&amp;quot;  How horrible of me!  I&#039;m corrupting the TF fandom!  Jeez.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::::::Dude, you&#039;re not kidding when you say you&#039;re skilled at stirring up drama!  As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you&#039;ve made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion.  Maybe something along the lines of &amp;quot;mostly well-liked&amp;quot; would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Yeah, what&#039;s really crazy is I&#039;m not even TRYING to stir up drama.  At this point I&#039;m convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character.  (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I&#039;m new and have a different opinion.  I&#039;m getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::I say leave it the way it is.  We shouldn&#039;t change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should.  Combobreaker, you say we aren&#039;t showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked.  Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN&#039;T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::Again, point missed.  The way she&#039;s referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her.  They don&#039;t, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::We&#039;re also supposed to find consensus.  We think we &#039;&#039;have&#039;&#039;.  If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe &#039;&#039;you&#039;&#039; should be citing references to support &#039;&#039;your&#039;&#039; point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki.  Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else.  I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid.  Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular.  Fine, that&#039;s awesome.  My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she&#039;s despised.  In this situation I think it&#039;s perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it&#039;s going to 11.  I&#039;d like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC) &lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands.  Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Do you really think that &amp;quot;reasonably well liked, more so than usual&amp;quot; is an 11?&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]?  I&#039;m sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn&#039;t let this one trivia point occupy all your time.  [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said &amp;quot;it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character&amp;quot; and Derik says she is &amp;quot;is tolerated/considered mildly amusing.&amp;quot;  That&#039;s less general than what is there now.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google &amp;quot;Sari Sumdac&amp;quot; and tell me what the first result says about her.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I&#039;d start with something small.  I had no idea I&#039;d start such a mess just by wanting a character&#039;s unquantified popularity slightly edited.  That&#039;s why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn&#039;t want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off.  Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::::::::::Don&#039;t worry too much about it, dude.  Contributions will be judged on their own merits.  This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers&#039;a edit; I don&#039;t think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute.  If they do, they&#039;ll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here.  I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I&#039;m a little sketchy on the human characters.  Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat.  [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination!  It says she is &amp;quot;reasonably well-liked, more so than usual,&amp;quot; basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she&#039;s the mesiah or something.  [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Awesome, that&#039;s all I wanted. I&#039;m happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Not human?==&lt;br /&gt;
That&#039;s a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; from it needs noting, because Tara Strong&#039;s interview and the events of &amp;quot;Megatron Rising&amp;quot; make it clear that there&#039;s &#039;&#039;SOMETHING&#039;&#039; unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::That&#039;s a reason I put in the whole &amp;quot;counterpoints&amp;quot; thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Things that don&#039;t exist==&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing how she, legally, doesn&#039;t exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don&#039;t exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::We should blank this whole article.  There is no information on a &#039;Sari Sumdac&#039;.  (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested).  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works.  I imagine we&#039;ll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now?  I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::&amp;quot;Work of genius&amp;quot; or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I&#039;m glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==S.A.R.I.==&lt;br /&gt;
It has been suggested that Sari name might be a hint, a sigla of sorts instead of an actual name. Something like Synthetic Android Robotic Inteligence.{{unsigned|194.117.20.2|12:35, 14 April 2008}}&lt;br /&gt;
:We &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; don&#039;t need more fan speculation before the big reveal. Take it to a discussion board.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Things I hate: &amp;quot;Reveal&amp;quot; being used as a noun. It&#039;s a &#039;&#039;verb&#039;&#039;. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It has been suggested that Sari might actually be a squid-creature, as there has been zero proof that she has bones.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::: We&#039;re all fools! She is Obviously a [[Godmaster|Godmaster]]! Look at her Optimus Prime Costume, She&#039;s Ginrei Reborn!&lt;br /&gt;
:::Joking aside, I would like to suggest an alternative caption for the pic of Sari dressed as Optimus Prime.&lt;br /&gt;
::::  &amp;quot;Ok, new theory, she&#039;s a [[Ginrai|GodMaster]].&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
:::But yeah, no more Fan Theories, when we&#039;re probably about to be shown the truth..... [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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I&#039;m just asking, should the [[Movie]] games be counted? [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I would vote against.  Those are more a statement about how games work than about Optimus Prime.  [[User:JW|JW]] 12:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So, the [[Transformers The Game]]&#039;s Decepticon campaign doesn&#039;t count? Thanks for the reply, though. [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 00:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Please indent your replies.&lt;br /&gt;
:And, yes, that would be my vote.  It&#039;s the nature of a game, where one can play both sides, that the guys on the other side are gonna die.  It&#039;s not intrinsically relevant to the &amp;quot;Optimus dies&amp;quot; trope.  [[User:JW|JW]] 01:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Megatron&#039;s deaths==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been wondering, since we&#039;ve got this article out, should we make one on the deaths and resurrections of Megatron? Let&#039;s face it: Old Buckethead&#039;s been offed a few times in career as well, often for the same reasons (except maybe the Christ one). Should we document those as well? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m open to a [[The many deaths of Megatron]] article, sure.  I can think of three or four without trying too hard.  [[User:JW|JW]] 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::This subject could almost have it&#039;s own category, &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of BLANK.&amp;quot; Also, why is Optimus Primal included on this page? He&#039;s not Optimus Prime. What do people think of him getting his own &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of...&amp;quot; article?--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d much prefer Optimus Primal stay here.  He&#039;s an Optimus, and was the leading character in his show, so I think he best fits here.&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for &amp;quot;The many deaths of BLANK&amp;quot;, the thing about Optimus Prime is that a half-dozen &#039;&#039;different&#039;&#039; Optimuses have &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; died.  Similarly for a handful of Megatrons.  But, in the case of (say) Dirge, there&#039;s only one Dirge who died a buncha times, so we can cover that on his page.  Similarly, the only Jazz who died is the one from the 2007 movie.  Optimus and Megs are the only &#039;&#039;major&#039;&#039; cross-continuity characters who have a tradition of dying.  (That I can think of.)  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Does Unicron count?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Based on how I understand it, I would say no, since Unicron is just one single entity who travels across the multiverse. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::What about Starscream?  He died in G1 and was exorcised from several hosts, and the Unicron Trilogy Starscream died at least twice, didn&#039;t he? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Maybe we should have a segment at the end like this-&lt;br /&gt;
While Optimus Prime is not the only one to die and be reborn like this, he has done so by far the most. Other characters who have done this somewhat regularly are Megatron (list of Deaths and Rebirths), Dirge (list of deaths), Starscream (list of deaths and rebirths).[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Death Of Ginrai==&lt;br /&gt;
Now I know he isn&#039;t actually Optimus Prime, and only a [s]Pretender[/s] wannabe, but looking at the episode descriptions for Victory, it looks like God Ginrai goes through the exact same process as every other Prime like character, dying then coming back, with a new [s]toy[/s] body, the only difference here being his new body is not very Prime like at all, and he doesn&#039;t seem to be the real leader at this point. We have Primal here, so surely we can squeeze in Ginrai&#039;s Death too?&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nop, he is Jinrai not Optimus Prime. The the darn RTM dub names him Optimus Prime. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Not even if we state he is not actually Optimus Prime to avoid confusion? Say...&lt;br /&gt;
:::While he is not an actual Optimus Prime, God Ginrai, a &amp;quot;GodMaster&amp;quot; who looks like Optimus Prime (his toy was PowerMaster Optimus Prime) also goes through a similar Death and Rebirth in the Japan Only series of Transformers Victory. His Reborn form looks [[Victory_Leo|nothing]] like Optimus Prime though.[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 13:37, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime&amp;diff=178516</id>
		<title>Talk:The many deaths of Optimus Prime</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Megatron&amp;#039;s deaths */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Games?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m just asking, should the [[Movie]] games be counted? [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I would vote against.  Those are more a statement about how games work than about Optimus Prime.  [[User:JW|JW]] 12:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So, the [[Transformers The Game]]&#039;s Decepticon campaign doesn&#039;t count? Thanks for the reply, though. [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 00:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Please indent your replies.&lt;br /&gt;
:And, yes, that would be my vote.  It&#039;s the nature of a game, where one can play both sides, that the guys on the other side are gonna die.  It&#039;s not intrinsically relevant to the &amp;quot;Optimus dies&amp;quot; trope.  [[User:JW|JW]] 01:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Megatron&#039;s deaths==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been wondering, since we&#039;ve got this article out, should we make one on the deaths and resurrections of Megatron? Let&#039;s face it: Old Buckethead&#039;s been offed a few times in career as well, often for the same reasons (except maybe the Christ one). Should we document those as well? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m open to a [[The many deaths of Megatron]] article, sure.  I can think of three or four without trying too hard.  [[User:JW|JW]] 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::This subject could almost have it&#039;s own category, &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of BLANK.&amp;quot; Also, why is Optimus Primal included on this page? He&#039;s not Optimus Prime. What do people think of him getting his own &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of...&amp;quot; article?--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d much prefer Optimus Primal stay here.  He&#039;s an Optimus, and was the leading character in his show, so I think he best fits here.&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for &amp;quot;The many deaths of BLANK&amp;quot;, the thing about Optimus Prime is that a half-dozen &#039;&#039;different&#039;&#039; Optimuses have &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; died.  Similarly for a handful of Megatrons.  But, in the case of (say) Dirge, there&#039;s only one Dirge who died a buncha times, so we can cover that on his page.  Similarly, the only Jazz who died is the one from the 2007 movie.  Optimus and Megs are the only &#039;&#039;major&#039;&#039; cross-continuity characters who have a tradition of dying.  (That I can think of.)  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Does Unicron count?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Based on how I understand it, I would say no, since Unicron is just one single entity who travels across the multiverse. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::What about Starscream?  He died in G1 and was exorcised from several hosts, and the Unicron Trilogy Starscream died at least twice, didn&#039;t he? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Maybe we should have a segment at the end like this-&lt;br /&gt;
While Optimus Prime is not the only one to die and be reborn like this, he has done so by far the most. Other characters who have done this somewhat regularly are Megatron (list of Deaths and Rebirths), Dirge (list of deaths), Starscream (list of deaths and rebirths).[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:59, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Death Of Ginrai==&lt;br /&gt;
Now I know he isn&#039;t actually Optimus Prime, and only a [s]Pretender[/s] wannabe, but looking at the episode descriptions for Victory, it looks like God Ginrai goes through the exact same process as every other Prime like character, dying then coming back, with a new [s]toy[/s] body, the only difference here being his new body is not very Prime like at all, and he doesn&#039;t seem to be the real leader at this point. We have Primal here, so surely we can squeeze in Ginrai&#039;s Death too?&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Nop, he is Jinrai not Optimus Prime. The the darn RTM dub names him Optimus Prime. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:55, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;So how are we handling Headmasters-as-a-sub-frnachise? Or, more specificlaly, characters unique to it? There&#039;s not many, but they exist. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:05, 24 May 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Origin of the dub ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Though these episodes never aired in the United States, a version was dubbed into English overseas. Variously referred to as &#039;the Singapore dub&#039; or &#039;the Star TV dub&#039; (though in fact originating from RTM in Malaysia)&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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Source for the last bit?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I was told of this by Jon Talpur, a chap who knows of that sort of thing. Couldn&#039;t say where HE knows it from, though, but a quick glance at ATT notes that this nugget goes back at least five years, with the specific note that they aired on that channel with their original openings and closing, rather than the Victory title dealie. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:56, 27 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Calling it the &amp;quot;RTM dub&amp;quot; originates from the fan Ratbat, who I was told did the proper research.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Episode Numbers for Dub Quotes?==&lt;br /&gt;
As a random owner of the recent DVD release in the UK which has the dub available on it, I would like to ask the following. Can someone put which Episode each of those hilarious dub quotes are from? As I would seriously like to hear them, but watching the entire series all over again would be painful (it was funny the first time round, but pretty long, and also very bad)? I&#039;m specially interested in the Zarak one at the end, since it seems to contradict the character renaming.... &lt;br /&gt;
Thanks![[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Page move ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Ugh...  Do we really want to be putting stuff like &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; in titles of franchises, cartoons, etc.?  For some reason that really bugs me.  I like the idea of making an epiosde or comic issue title exact, including punctuation and such, but for something like this I really think the shorter and very easy to remember &amp;quot;Headmasters (cartoon)&amp;quot; is preferable.  I similarly prefer Masterforce and its stuff to be where they are now, just at [[Masterforce]], without a &amp;quot;Super-God&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Chojin&amp;quot;.  For example, if we insist on being precise about titles of franchises and TV shows, we have to change Beast Machines to &#039;&#039;Beast Machines: Transformers&#039;&#039;, include &amp;quot;super life-form&amp;quot; in most of the Japanese titles, decide arbitrarily where to put colons, etc..  It is a huge can of worms that I think we should just avoid by using simple, easily-understood names.  The [[Help:Contents|help pages]] currently say that franchise and series articles should be written &amp;quot;without redundancies&amp;quot;.  To me, that includes the word &amp;quot;the&amp;quot;.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;d have to say that in the interests of accuracy, I&#039;d &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; like to see &amp;quot;The Headmasters&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Super-God Masterforce&amp;quot; in use. &amp;quot;Transformers&amp;quot;, I can&#039;t say I&#039;m bothered about, as it&#039;s decidedly on the redundant side, given where we are. In these two particular cases, though, all I can see it as is propogating ignorance. &#039;&#039;Very&#039;&#039; few people actually realise that &#039;&#039;Headmasters&#039;&#039; is called &#039;&#039;The Headmasters&#039;&#039; - it&#039;s logo is even specially designed around the fact that it&#039;s a two-worder, with a little star between the &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Headmasters.&amp;quot; And yeah, okay, that&#039;s only a &amp;quot;the,&amp;quot; so I can see how it seems a bit pointless, but... &#039;&#039;Super-God Masterforce&#039;&#039; is the &#039;&#039;name of the show&#039;&#039;. That&#039;s like... calling &amp;quot;Desperate Housewives&amp;quot; just &amp;quot;Housewives.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:(Oh, and as a sidebar, HM, MF and Zone all omit the &amp;quot;Super-robot-life&amp;quot; bit. Only the dub of the US show and Victory include that tag.) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I strongly agree with Chris. The &amp;quot;Housewives&amp;quot; comparison is apt. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::We&#039;re talking about using the leading The on the cartoon pages, not the franchise pages, right?  I&#039;m down with that.  If we use The in comic book stories that start with it-- dude,, it&#039;s the actual title of the series.&lt;br /&gt;
:::The franchise pages, OTOH, are somethign we made to guide people. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:47, 19 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I agree with Chris. Personally, I&#039;d have liked it to be [[Transformers: The Headmasters]], but removing words from the subtitle (for lack of a better term) has the same logic as turning &amp;quot;Beast Wars&amp;quot; into &amp;quot;Wars&amp;quot;. The only difference is that &amp;quot;Headmasters&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Masterforce&amp;quot; are more unique words than &amp;quot;Wars&amp;quot;. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I, too, agree with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
::Incidentally, I think this logic should also apply to &amp;quot;The [[Fallen]]&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;The [[One]],&amp;quot; which are also more titles than names.  Just thought I&#039;d throw that out there. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:59, 21 June 2007 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:The_many_deaths_of_Optimus_Prime&amp;diff=178514</id>
		<title>Talk:The many deaths of Optimus Prime</title>
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&lt;div&gt;==Games?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m just asking, should the [[Movie]] games be counted? [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I would vote against.  Those are more a statement about how games work than about Optimus Prime.  [[User:JW|JW]] 12:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So, the [[Transformers The Game]]&#039;s Decepticon campaign doesn&#039;t count? Thanks for the reply, though. [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 00:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Please indent your replies.&lt;br /&gt;
:And, yes, that would be my vote.  It&#039;s the nature of a game, where one can play both sides, that the guys on the other side are gonna die.  It&#039;s not intrinsically relevant to the &amp;quot;Optimus dies&amp;quot; trope.  [[User:JW|JW]] 01:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Megatron&#039;s deaths==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been wondering, since we&#039;ve got this article out, should we make one on the deaths and resurrections of Megatron? Let&#039;s face it: Old Buckethead&#039;s been offed a few times in career as well, often for the same reasons (except maybe the Christ one). Should we document those as well? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m open to a [[The many deaths of Megatron]] article, sure.  I can think of three or four without trying too hard.  [[User:JW|JW]] 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::This subject could almost have it&#039;s own category, &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of BLANK.&amp;quot; Also, why is Optimus Primal included on this page? He&#039;s not Optimus Prime. What do people think of him getting his own &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of...&amp;quot; article?--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d much prefer Optimus Primal stay here.  He&#039;s an Optimus, and was the leading character in his show, so I think he best fits here.&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for &amp;quot;The many deaths of BLANK&amp;quot;, the thing about Optimus Prime is that a half-dozen &#039;&#039;different&#039;&#039; Optimuses have &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; died.  Similarly for a handful of Megatrons.  But, in the case of (say) Dirge, there&#039;s only one Dirge who died a buncha times, so we can cover that on his page.  Similarly, the only Jazz who died is the one from the 2007 movie.  Optimus and Megs are the only &#039;&#039;major&#039;&#039; cross-continuity characters who have a tradition of dying.  (That I can think of.)  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Does Unicron count?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Based on how I understand it, I would say no, since Unicron is just one single entity who travels across the multiverse. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::What about Starscream?  He died in G1 and was exorcised from several hosts, and the Unicron Trilogy Starscream died at least twice, didn&#039;t he? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Death Of Ginrai==&lt;br /&gt;
Now I know he isn&#039;t actually Optimus Prime, and only a [s]Pretender[/s] wannabe, but looking at the episode descriptions for Victory, it looks like God Ginrai goes through the exact same process as every other Prime like character, dying then coming back, with a new [s]toy[/s] body, the only difference here being his new body is not very Prime like at all, and he doesn&#039;t seem to be the real leader at this point. We have Primal here, so surely we can squeeze in Ginrai&#039;s Death too?&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 12:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Games?==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m just asking, should the [[Movie]] games be counted? [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 05:38, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I would vote against.  Those are more a statement about how games work than about Optimus Prime.  [[User:JW|JW]] 12:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
So, the [[Transformers The Game]]&#039;s Decepticon campaign doesn&#039;t count? Thanks for the reply, though. [[User:76.169.169.60|76.169.169.60]] 00:49, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Please indent your replies.&lt;br /&gt;
:And, yes, that would be my vote.  It&#039;s the nature of a game, where one can play both sides, that the guys on the other side are gonna die.  It&#039;s not intrinsically relevant to the &amp;quot;Optimus dies&amp;quot; trope.  [[User:JW|JW]] 01:10, 8 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Megatron&#039;s deaths==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve been wondering, since we&#039;ve got this article out, should we make one on the deaths and resurrections of Megatron? Let&#039;s face it: Old Buckethead&#039;s been offed a few times in career as well, often for the same reasons (except maybe the Christ one). Should we document those as well? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m open to a [[The many deaths of Megatron]] article, sure.  I can think of three or four without trying too hard.  [[User:JW|JW]] 21:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::This subject could almost have it&#039;s own category, &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of BLANK.&amp;quot; Also, why is Optimus Primal included on this page? He&#039;s not Optimus Prime. What do people think of him getting his own &amp;quot;The Many Deaths of...&amp;quot; article?--[[User:Suzyprime|Suzyprime]] 23:07, 26 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;d much prefer Optimus Primal stay here.  He&#039;s an Optimus, and was the leading character in his show, so I think he best fits here.&lt;br /&gt;
:::As for &amp;quot;The many deaths of BLANK&amp;quot;, the thing about Optimus Prime is that a half-dozen &#039;&#039;different&#039;&#039; Optimuses have &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; died.  Similarly for a handful of Megatrons.  But, in the case of (say) Dirge, there&#039;s only one Dirge who died a buncha times, so we can cover that on his page.  Similarly, the only Jazz who died is the one from the 2007 movie.  Optimus and Megs are the only &#039;&#039;major&#039;&#039; cross-continuity characters who have a tradition of dying.  (That I can think of.)  [[User:JW|JW]] 00:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Does Unicron count?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 02:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Based on how I understand it, I would say no, since Unicron is just one single entity who travels across the multiverse. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:49, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::What about Starscream?  He died in G1 and was exorcised from several hosts, and the Unicron Trilogy Starscream died at least twice, didn&#039;t he? - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:::Death Of Ginrai:::&lt;br /&gt;
Now I know he isn&#039;t actually Optimus Prime, and only a [s]Pretender[/s] wannabe, but looking at the episode descriptions for Victory, it looks like God Ginrai goes through the exact same process as every other Prime like character, dying then coming back, with a new [s]toy[/s] body, the only difference here being his new body is not very Prime like at all, and he doesn&#039;t seem to be the real leader at this point. We have Primal here, so surely we can squeeze in Ginrai&#039;s Death too?&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20325</id>
		<title>Talk:Starscream (Armada)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20325"/>
		<updated>2006-03-19T22:24:42Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;There isn&#039;t a given reason why they released Starscream like that out of Japan, is there? Just seems to me to be a rather clever bit of marketing. Also, since I haven&#039;t seen the GF or Voyager Cybertron versions, I do not know about the light and sound feature changes between the giant and these versions.&lt;br /&gt;
                     -Shadow Mask Prime&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This information should probably go on a toy-specific page.  [[Starscream (UT)]] is a character page.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Would have done, but I actually got to this page following the Toy links. There is definately going to have to be some thought put into how the toy/character profiles will work.&lt;br /&gt;
                           -Shadow Mask Prime&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20122</id>
		<title>Starscream (Armada)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20122"/>
		<updated>2006-03-19T22:22:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Energon */&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;Starscream is a [[Decepticon]] character in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Starscreamut.jpg|right|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; is disillusioned by his leader [[Megatron (UT)|Megatron]].  It took a while for Starscream to come to grips with Megatron&#039;s faults, but there&#039;s no turning back.  Megatron doesn&#039;t respect him, doesn&#039;t appreciate him, and would casually toss Starscream&#039;s life away if it got him something he wanted.  If following Megatron is the school of hard knocks, then Starscream is the valedictorian -- but not without a few scars.  Starscream may have once been compassionate, he may have forgotten what true friendship is, but all that has been replaced, scab for scab, with the lessons of Megatron&#039;s abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unwittingly, Megatron may have created a monster even he cannot ultimately control.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Animated Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
===Armada===&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon===&lt;br /&gt;
Having died in Armada, that should have been it for Starscream. However, after Megatron began to take control of the Decepticon side of the Energon Struggle, Alpha Q needed a way to continue gathering Energon for Unicron. With this purpose, he resurrected Starscream. However this was a Starscream with no memory of his former self, and so his Ambition was absent. He was now a loyal zombie soldier. Alpha Q told Starscream he was incomplete, and needed to gather Energon, so they could finish the process. This is how Alpha Q gained his loyalty.&lt;br /&gt;
However Alpha Q did not hold onto this loyalty well, and after Starscream failed his assassination attempt on [[Megatron(UT)]], Megatron made Starscream turn his loyalty over to him. From then on Megatron used him as his Second-in-Command, perhaps enjoying the fact that this Starscream had no dreams of leadership like before.&lt;br /&gt;
After Megatron found the Super Energon Pool and upgraded himself to Galvatron, Starscream was the first of his forces he showed this to. Starscream&#039;s upgrade gave him his G1 Colour Scheme.&lt;br /&gt;
Due to his Incomplete nature, Starscream could teleport and turn invisable. Due to these abilities, he made a perfect spy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Cybertron===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Dreamwave Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
===Armada===&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
After disturbing a raid led by Tidalwave, Starscream reckoned without Scorponic&#039;s Hyper Mode, and was flung into a trash compactor then left for dead. ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Toys and Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Galaxy Force/Cybertron Toy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream&#039;s Robot form looks much the same as it always has, with his alt being a furturistic space/jet fighter. This Alt form looks like it may have been inspired by his form in the G1 cartoon on Cybertron before he took on his jet fighter form. &lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro seems to have realised Starscream is popular among collectors, as when bringing over the Galaxy Force version of him, they made it only possible to buy him in more expensive forms. He is advailable as a Giant &amp;quot;Supreme&amp;quot; line toy, or his original size in a double pack with Vector Prime, who was released before and likely to be in the collections of many collectors already. Even though, he is still likely to be just as popular with collectors as ever.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Supreme Starscream comes with a Decepticon Crown of Leadership(identical to the one in the Movie), two Planet Force Keys, and a Null-Ray Missile. He is different from the Original Japanese in a few other ways than size. One of his swing-out blades has been released with a &amp;quot;Null-Ray&amp;quot;, apparently as reference to his G1 form; his swing out features are activated by two separate force slots(leaving the original one in his back as a key holder); the turrents on the side of the cockpit can also be aimed. I am also guessing the lights and sounds have been been changed for this version. One strange detail is that moving his sword arm makes sounds and lights, including his eyes, which react to no other feature.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombies]]&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20121</id>
		<title>Starscream (Armada)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20121"/>
		<updated>2006-03-19T22:21:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Energon */ comic- Only read first volume, so I don&amp;#039;t know how he comes back...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;Starscream is a [[Decepticon]] character in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Starscreamut.jpg|right|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; is disillusioned by his leader [[Megatron (UT)|Megatron]].  It took a while for Starscream to come to grips with Megatron&#039;s faults, but there&#039;s no turning back.  Megatron doesn&#039;t respect him, doesn&#039;t appreciate him, and would casually toss Starscream&#039;s life away if it got him something he wanted.  If following Megatron is the school of hard knocks, then Starscream is the valedictorian -- but not without a few scars.  Starscream may have once been compassionate, he may have forgotten what true friendship is, but all that has been replaced, scab for scab, with the lessons of Megatron&#039;s abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unwittingly, Megatron may have created a monster even he cannot ultimately control.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Animated Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
===Armada===&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon===&lt;br /&gt;
Having died in Armada, that should have been it for Starscream. However, after Megatron began to take control of the Decepticon side of the Energon Struggle, Alpha Q needed a way to continue gathering Energon for Unicron. With this purpose, he resurrected Starscream. However this was a Starscream with no memory of his former self, and so his Ambition was absent. He was now a loyal soldier. Alpha Q told Starscream he was incomplete, and needed to gather Energon, so they could finish the process. This is how Alpha Q gained his loyalty.&lt;br /&gt;
However Alpha Q did not hold onto this loyalty well, and after Starscream failed his assassination attempt on [[Megatron(UT)]], Megatron made Starscream turn his loyalty over to him. From then on Megatron used him as his Second-in-Command, perhaps enjoying the fact that this Starscream had no dreams of leadership like before.&lt;br /&gt;
After Megatron found the Super Energon Pool and upgraded himself to Galvatron, Starscream was the first of his forces he showed this to. Starscream&#039;s upgrade gave him his G1 Colour Scheme.&lt;br /&gt;
Due to his Incomplete nature, Starscream could teleport and turn invisable. Due to these abilities, he made a perfect spy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Cybertron===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Dreamwave Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
===Armada===&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
After disturbing a raid led by Tidalwave, Starscream reckoned without Scorponic&#039;s Hyper Mode, and was flung into a trash compactor then left for dead. ...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Toys and Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Galaxy Force/Cybertron Toy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream&#039;s Robot form looks much the same as it always has, with his alt being a furturistic space/jet fighter. This Alt form looks like it may have been inspired by his form in the G1 cartoon on Cybertron before he took on his jet fighter form. &lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro seems to have realised Starscream is popular among collectors, as when bringing over the Galaxy Force version of him, they made it only possible to buy him in more expensive forms. He is advailable as a Giant &amp;quot;Supreme&amp;quot; line toy, or his original size in a double pack with Vector Prime, who was released before and likely to be in the collections of many collectors already. Even though, he is still likely to be just as popular with collectors as ever.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Supreme Starscream comes with a Decepticon Crown of Leadership(identical to the one in the Movie), two Planet Force Keys, and a Null-Ray Missile. He is different from the Original Japanese in a few other ways than size. One of his swing-out blades has been released with a &amp;quot;Null-Ray&amp;quot;, apparently as reference to his G1 form; his swing out features are activated by two separate force slots(leaving the original one in his back as a key holder); the turrents on the side of the cockpit can also be aimed. I am also guessing the lights and sounds have been been changed for this version. One strange detail is that moving his sword arm makes sounds and lights, including his eyes, which react to no other feature.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombies]]&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20120</id>
		<title>Starscream (Armada)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20120"/>
		<updated>2006-03-19T22:18:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: /* Energon */ -Cartoon details&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;Starscream is a [[Decepticon]] character in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Starscreamut.jpg|right|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Starscream&#039;&#039;&#039; is disillusioned by his leader [[Megatron (UT)|Megatron]].  It took a while for Starscream to come to grips with Megatron&#039;s faults, but there&#039;s no turning back.  Megatron doesn&#039;t respect him, doesn&#039;t appreciate him, and would casually toss Starscream&#039;s life away if it got him something he wanted.  If following Megatron is the school of hard knocks, then Starscream is the valedictorian -- but not without a few scars.  Starscream may have once been compassionate, he may have forgotten what true friendship is, but all that has been replaced, scab for scab, with the lessons of Megatron&#039;s abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Unwittingly, Megatron may have created a monster even he cannot ultimately control.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Animated Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
===Armada===&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon===&lt;br /&gt;
Having died in Armada, that should have been it for Starscream. However, after Megatron began to take control of the Decepticon side of the Energon Struggle, Alpha Q needed a way to continue gathering Energon for Unicron. With this purpose, he resurrected Starscream. However this was a Starscream with no memory of his former self, and so his Ambition was absent. He was now a loyal soldier. Alpha Q told Starscream he was incomplete, and needed to gather Energon, so they could finish the process. This is how Alpha Q gained his loyalty.&lt;br /&gt;
However Alpha Q did not hold onto this loyalty well, and after Starscream failed his assassination attempt on [[Megatron(UT)]], Megatron made Starscream turn his loyalty over to him. From then on Megatron used him as his Second-in-Command, perhaps enjoying the fact that this Starscream had no dreams of leadership like before.&lt;br /&gt;
After Megatron found the Super Energon Pool and upgraded himself to Galvatron, Starscream was the first of his forces he showed this to. Starscream&#039;s upgrade gave him his G1 Colour Scheme.&lt;br /&gt;
Due to his Incomplete nature, Starscream could teleport and turn invisable. Due to these abilities, he made a perfect spy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Cybertron===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Dreamwave Continuity==&lt;br /&gt;
===Armada===&lt;br /&gt;
===Energon===&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Toys and Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Galaxy Force/Cybertron Toy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream&#039;s Robot form looks much the same as it always has, with his alt being a furturistic space/jet fighter. This Alt form looks like it may have been inspired by his form in the G1 cartoon on Cybertron before he took on his jet fighter form. &lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro seems to have realised Starscream is popular among collectors, as when bringing over the Galaxy Force version of him, they made it only possible to buy him in more expensive forms. He is advailable as a Giant &amp;quot;Supreme&amp;quot; line toy, or his original size in a double pack with Vector Prime, who was released before and likely to be in the collections of many collectors already. Even though, he is still likely to be just as popular with collectors as ever.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Supreme Starscream comes with a Decepticon Crown of Leadership(identical to the one in the Movie), two Planet Force Keys, and a Null-Ray Missile. He is different from the Original Japanese in a few other ways than size. One of his swing-out blades has been released with a &amp;quot;Null-Ray&amp;quot;, apparently as reference to his G1 form; his swing out features are activated by two separate force slots(leaving the original one in his back as a key holder); the turrents on the side of the cockpit can also be aimed. I am also guessing the lights and sounds have been been changed for this version. One strange detail is that moving his sword arm makes sounds and lights, including his eyes, which react to no other feature.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Zombies]]&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20323</id>
		<title>Talk:Starscream (Armada)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20323"/>
		<updated>2006-03-19T19:06:22Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;There isn&#039;t a given reason why they released Starscream like that out of Japan, is there? Just seems to me to be a rather clever bit of marketing. Also, since I haven&#039;t seen the GF or Voyager Cybertron versions, I do not know about the light and sound feature changes between the giant and these versions.&lt;br /&gt;
                     -Shadow Mask Prime&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20118</id>
		<title>Starscream (Armada)</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Starscream_(Armada)&amp;diff=20118"/>
		<updated>2006-03-19T19:03:23Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: Added a small bit on the GF/Cybertron toys&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Galaxy Force/Cybertron Toy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream&#039;s Robot form looks much the same as it always has, with his alt being a furturistic space/jet fighter. This Alt form looks like it may have been inspired by his form in the G1 cartoon on Cybertron before he took on his jet fighter form. &lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro seems to have realised Starscream is popular among collectors, as when bringing over the Galaxy Force version of him, they made it only possible to buy him in more expensive forms. He is advailable as a Giant &amp;quot;Supreme&amp;quot; line toy, or his original size in a double pack with Vector Prime, who was released before and likely to be in the collections of many collectors already. Even though, he is still likely to be just as popular with collectors as ever.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Supreme Starscream comes with a Decepticon Crown of Leadership(identical to the one in the Movie), two Planet Force Keys, and a Null-Ray Missile. He is different from the Original Japanese in a few other ways than size. One of his swing-out blades has been released with a &amp;quot;Null-Ray&amp;quot;, apparently as reference to his G1 form; his swing out features are activated by two separate force slots(leaving the original one in his back as a key holder); the turrents on the side of the cockpit can also be aimed. I am also guessing the lights and sounds have been been changed for this version. One strange detail is that moving his sword arm makes sounds and lights, including his eyes, which react to no other feature.&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Shadow Mask Prime</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Community_Portal&amp;diff=13555</id>
		<title>MediaWiki:Community Portal</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Community_Portal&amp;diff=13555"/>
		<updated>2006-03-14T21:50:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Shadow Mask Prime: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;I got Ben Yee&#039;s permision to use some of his texts via E-mail&lt;br /&gt;
Ben Yee said... &amp;quot;Please use only certain text (not say, entire episode reviews or anything like that) and credit my site accordingly.  Thanks!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
X-BoB58&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Do we know who has administrative powers on this Wiki? --[[User:ItsWalky]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
There&#039;s been a vandal who&#039;s screwed around with a few pages, and this is probably going to come up fairly often. The wikipedia page on reverting[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Revert] is something that most people should read, so you know how to put things back to how they were, when something like that happens aggain. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Yeah I reverted the Main Page after someone replaced it with a message insulting the intelligence of this Wiki.-Shadow Mask Prime&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Contact in case of problems==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As you haven&#039;t an active admin at the moment, I&#039;ve left contact information on [[User:Sannse|my user page]] and will call in regularly to see if you need any help.  If anyone knows &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; someone is blanking pages, that would be useful.  Are there copyright issues? Has stuff been copied without full (and GFDL compatible) permission?  If so, we may have to remove and rewrite the pages.  I&#039;ll pop back tomorrow to see if there has been more blanking. -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 16:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==That awful picture and the name==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Although secondary to the vandalism, we have an admin-type who can deal with the problems left by the creator. There&#039;s a couple locked things that we can&#039;t change:&lt;br /&gt;
* The title is misspelled. The computer&#039;s name is &amp;quot;Teletraan-1&amp;quot;, and we should really have the title reflect a name that &#039;isn&#039;t&#039; the wrong spelling. We fixed it on the main page, but it still shows up in the titles of every page.&lt;br /&gt;
* The wiki symbol in the top left is horrendously ugly and kinda embarassing. And not only is it hideous, but it also reflects the same problem as the title: Teletraan-1 is spelled incorrectly. I made [[Media:Potential-wiki.png|a new image]] for it, but it&#039;s not too great either, and I&#039;d like to invite any artist to do something better.&lt;br /&gt;
We should get some other people&#039;s thoughts on both these matters. If we can get some sort of consensus going, we can probably get both of these matters fixed. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:36, 12 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Besides the spelling, I don&#039;t see anything wrong with the logo. Heck, I&#039;d be downright surprised to see anything else. Well, with the possible exception of the Decepticon logo.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:52, 12 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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What about that spinning logo that goes from bot to con to max to pred to blendtron etc. etc. etc. X-BoB58&lt;br /&gt;
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:For the title issue - I&#039;ll contact our one of our technical support staff.  It&#039;s not something that can be changed on-wiki (he should be on-line soon).  For the logo - I&#039;ve unprotected the logo for a while, so you can chose what should go there and upload.  All you need to do is upload to [[:Image:wiki.png]].  It does have to be a .png image, so the animated logo idea is out I&#039;m afraid.  If you want to try changing your favicon ([[:Image:favicon.ico]]: [[Image:favicon.ico]]) then I can unprotect that too for a while.&lt;br /&gt;
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I definitely fall in the &amp;quot;don&#039;t like the logo&amp;quot; camp, so here&#039;s one proposal for a change: [[:Image:Newlogo-wiki.png|new logo proposal]]. [[User:Aurax|Aurax]] 16:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I propose an Art Contest or something similar. -X-boB58&lt;br /&gt;
* Well, anyone is welcome to and definitely encouraged to make a new logo to replace the old one; just upload it and post it here if you do. If we get any more people proposing replacements, we can just put it to a vote. Although I do personally like Aurax&#039;s a lot. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I also like the logo Aurax made, although probably we should pick between &amp;quot;Teletraan-1&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Teletraan One&amp;quot;.  The logo spells out the number, whereas it&#039;s written elsewhere with the digit.&lt;br /&gt;
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--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*Since it&#039;s likely easier to change the text in the logo than it is to change the name of the wiki (again), I made a new version of the graphic file. It fixes the spelling and addresses some text readability issues that I had with the original, stuff that I was gonna fix anyway. [[:Image:Newlogo-digit-wiki.png|For your renewed consideration.]] [[User:Aurax|Aurax]] 03:59, 14 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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While were on the topic of apearances what about a new skin, Idunno something more &amp;quot;transformery&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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The other thing to consider is who should be your new admin(s).  You all know your wiki better than I, so any suggestions?  Who has experience of admin buttons (not vital, they are pretty easy to follow), is active on this wiki, and knows the subject well enough to know what is valid and what is vandalism?  The main criteria as far as I&#039;m concerned are some good sense and a lot of enthusiasm :) -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 13:35, 13 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I fit most of the requirements, but don&#039;t know wiki&#039;s particular admin setup.  If you say they&#039;re easy to follow, then I suppose they can&#039;t be much different from admin-ing elsewhere.  If anything, I just want to keep that one guy from deleting whole pages.  I also think [[User:Suki Brits]] would make a good Admin, if she would want to be.  --[[User:ItsWalky]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I had just typed up that I&#039;d also nominate Walky as an admin when he edited his post-- oops, I guess that seems sorta hollow now. Regardless, he&#039;s probably the best choice for an admin here, as he certainly knows what he&#039;s doing, and has put lot of time into this already; definitely fits the requirements.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I wouldn&#039;t mind myself, either. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:13, 13 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Having seen Walky&#039;s posts and conversations thus far, I&#039;d trust him to be a fair and enthusiastic admin --[[User:G.B. Blackrock]] [[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|(talk)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I think that Suki seems to know the system better --[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;NO The Constructicons Form DEVESTATOR! The Most Powerful Robot! They Should Rule!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I honestly can&#039;t believe I&#039;m the first one to use that quote here. I mean, come on, really. Get your heads in the game.&lt;br /&gt;
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In all honesty, I agree with the mutual respect goin to&#039;ard Walky or Suki being Admin. Since Walky&#039;s added more to the Wiki then everyone else put together, and Suki seems to have done much of the admin-lite duties round here.&lt;br /&gt;
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Heck, I vote for Suki.--[[User:OctopusPrime|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 22:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I would gladly put my support behind Walky and/or Suki Brits as admins. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 06:09, 14 March 2006 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Walky and &amp;quot;Suki Brits&amp;quot; would be fine mods.  FOR ME TO OVERTHROW.  [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 20:34, 14 March 2006 (UTC)&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Soundwave (G1)</title>
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&lt;div&gt;Soundwave is a Decepticon who transforms into a Tape Recorder. In both forms he can hold smaller tranformers who transformed into Tape Cassettes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Soundwave was one of the first Transformers to awaken on Earth. A Decepticon designed for Espionage, he uses his transforming ability to infiltrate any location unnoticed, and then records idle words around him to later report back to [[Megatron(G1)]]. Anywhere he can&#039;t go, he will send one of his tape cassette minions, such as Lazor Beak, in his stead.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the early days on Earth, Soundwave was invaluable to the Decepticon forces, as they searched for Energy sources to convert to [[Energon Cube]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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Completely loyal to Megatron, to point of being a &amp;quot;Brown Noser&amp;quot;. In the Movie, it was Soundwave who struggled to take their fallen leader off the battlefield.&amp;lt;div id=&amp;quot;wikia-credits&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br /&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/div&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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