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Talk:Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)

2007-10-07T08:28:46Z

Sideways: /* Only one editing? */

I think Cybertron should be defined as its own continuity Seperate from the Armada/Energon Story, Outside of the Comic and Toy Package references the Cartoon has far too many Historical Diferences, like the folowing:

-The first Episode Optimus talks as if they will be the first Autobots on Earth and must remain hidden from the population (by the time of Energon Tranformers were puplic knowledge on Earth)

-Minicons come from Giant Planet, as opposed to Unicron himself

-When Leobreaker and Optimus first Link-up they all act as if this is unheard of, this was later ignored when Wingsaber and Optimus talked about a Accidental Power Linking they previously shared. (Power Linking for Optimus was a Minor Part of Armada, and a Major part for all Autobots in Energon)

- Their Earth Allies from Armada/Energon (Rad, Carlos, Alexis, Kicker and the rest of the Jones Family) are not seen or mentioned at all

:It should be noted that at no point during the Energon cartoon is the existance of Transformers demonstrated to be public knowledge. Every human they're seen with is working for the Earth Federation's energon projects. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

{{spoiler}}
* Rad, Carlos, Alexis, and Kicker ARE seen in the final episode of Cybertron, in scenes added to the American version.
* In the Fan Club Cybertron comic, Vector Prime explains that the [[Unicron Singularity]] is causing memory glitches in the Autobots as time and space is distorted.
* Armada and Energon have lots of continuity contradictions, too. Oh, and let's not even get into the continuity/origin contradictions in the G1 cartoon from season to season.
* Hasbro says they're the same story. 'Nuff said.
--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Nuff said indeed. The one thing that irritates me more than GEEWUNISM are the fans who are so obsessed that they think it is their right to control what Transformers can and cannot do. Like it or not, it belongs to Hasbro and if they say that Optimus Prime was a truck driver stuck in a time warp that got fused with his delivery vehicle, then it happened. You can't just say what did or did not happen because you happen to dislike the direction. I would have MUCH preferred that Cybertron have been handled more closely as a sequel, but I openly accept Fun Publication's explanations for the continuity errors.
--[[User:Bodycount|Bodycount]]
::::Oooooh. I can see it now. Transformers, starring Turbo Teen! (ducks and runs)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

:The major problem with these continuity errors is because of the change over from the japanese Galaxy Force to the american Cybertron. In all events its best thinking of Galaxy force and cybertron as another alternate universe (despite them trying to merge them with a few added images as mentioned further up in this discussion). (Menchicutlets)-- 15:19, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Lousy Effort ==

Who is not even putting up a very good effort on these Armada, Energon and Cybertron sections? {unsigned|69.234.144.73}}
:We're trying to get them done eventually, thank you very much, but it takes a long time to watch, rewatch and then write a decent episode summary article, and given the quality of the series in question, I don't think many people have the inclination to write them. If you want them filled out, how about helping us by contributing yourself? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
::Considering HIS "contributions" in that area consisted of nothing more than super-shitty barely-English one-paragraph pages? I'd rather he DIDN'T. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Which is why I asked you guys if he should have been given a 'time out' given his repeated disregard for our rules and standards. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:04, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
"Lousy effort" seems like a pretty good descriptor of your additions thus far! Half-English half-paragraphs, no formatting? Thanks! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:24, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
:Lousy effort seems like a good descriptor from Armada-Cyb, which I think is the root cause for tha apathy towards them.
:I haven't even WATCHED half of the UT, and I have little desire to. Inflicting 30 hours of truly awful television on myself out of a feeling of obligation had yet to win out, despite my own completionist tendencies towards fiction. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:29, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

== Only one editing? ==

Why you made me the only one editing? You think I'm the expert and elite on this? Thats why YOU MADE ME DO ALL YOUR WORK?!!! I'm not the expert at Transformers, you are not me. {{unsigned|69.234.144.73}}

:You're right, we're sorry. Because of your effort, we'll triple your pay. ''Wait a minute.''
:To be honest, Cybertron is still fairly fresh in everybody's mind, so there's no real demand for this information quite yet, but at the same time it's not fresh and hot as the movie, which because it's essentially the most prominent aspect of Transformers right now, has a huge demand for info.
:On this wiki, everything, ''like, everything'' gets added eventually. But I, personally, have trouble adding details on episodes when the DVDs aren't out yet.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

:Nobody's making you do anything. You might as well as why no-one making Beast Wars episode articles. You going to do those too, just because no-one else is? Cause that's the only reason they're not being made - no-one's gotten around to doing them yet. And a big part of that is that a lot of us find the Unicron Trilogy a ''tremendous'' slog to get through, and just aren't enthusiastic enough about it to do stuff on the wiki that deals with it. This isn't supposed to ''be'' "work," y'know. It's for fun, and if you're not going to have ''fun'' doing it, well... don't. Like everything else on the wiki, it'll be made when someone decides that they want to do it. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

::We'll see Armada finished before Energon or Cybertron, because DVDs are available and the episodes were widely distributed back in the day. I don't even have a copy of Fallen or the other early episodes of Cybertron, just the Galaxy Force originals (which of course creates a problem as Cyb and GF don't jive with one another, so I can't simply use them as proxies). I'm certainly not going to go out and buy the few available Cybertron DVDs just to do recaps. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

By the way the Unicron Trilogy is over and Animated is replacing it. So lets try to edit this. Thundercracker has an electric punch in episode challenge.(Spearhead 08:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Dark T Zeratul

2007-10-07T08:21:57Z

Sideways:

He writes Dreamwave Armada issue pages! We are grateful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey are you from Starcraft? Oh by the way I picked Sideways due someone picked Mrgarrison as a name and finally you picked a Starcraft Hero unit as a username.(Spearhead 08:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

The Ultimate Weapon

2007-10-07T08:04:15Z

Sideways: New page: In Transformers Generations this weapon is unknown but it is powerful. More info will come up latter.

In Transformers Generations this weapon is unknown but it is powerful. More info will come up latter.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Main Page

2007-10-07T08:03:03Z

Sideways: /* Featured Article for October */

<span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:100px;line-height:100px;font-weight:900;">THE FUNNY STAYS.</span>
-The Management

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To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].</b></span>

==Archives==
[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]

==Movie Nav Box==

The navigation box we have for Movie pages really needs an overhaul. Especially now that we have four [[Online games]] (not counting the Sector 7 Hungry Dragon thing) and the nav box points to [[Battle for the Allspark]] as THE online game. What should we do with it? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for July==

What should we start polishing up to be next month's Featured Article? It needs to be something relevant for people finding this site after seeing the movie? How about [[Bumblebee (G1)]], as it covers the history behind the film's most prominent robot? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: Sure, works for me. We've got our work cut out for us, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Is no one up to filling out Bumblebee's Dreamwave, Legends anthology, Dreamwave Transformers/GI Joe, Devil's Due, or Hearts of Steel sections? I'm poking around to see who would be relevant as a featured article for while the movie's out if we're not up to completing Bumblebee... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::We could always just go with G1 Prime or Megatron. Both of those more than qualify, I think. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Megatron's pretty close. I think we just need some filling out of his cartoon exploits. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: He needs TF/G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe vs. TF, and Hearts of Steel filled out too. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 02:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Hearts of Steel writeup: "There was art of him in the supplemental materials!" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: ...Two designs for a guy who didn't even show... Dang it.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Movie Launch==

Hey Guys, Was wondering if you were going to put anything on the home page about the movie launching tonight? I was going to put this wiki in the spotlight starting Friday to promote it, but I think its needs a more recognizable logo so people will click on it. [[User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angies|talk]]) 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:I've put something on the front page now. I had wanted to get this done last week, but I never had the time, and then most of the staff were at the [[BotCon 2007|Transformers convention]] for four or five days. It needs work, but it's there, at least. It would be great if we could have a spotlight! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

==Logos for 'By series' column==
I was uploading some logos for the franchise pages, and it got me thinking - the By series column on the main page is basically a bunch of text, and for either visual-minded people or those who aren't as familiar with TF, it can be confusing. How about we get brand/franchise logos for all the series so far and put them into the column? The logos would be easier to see and recognisable.

I made [http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/166/logosbyseriesec4.jpg this] - the logos there are at 250px, but I later reduced that to 150px and they still seem fine (unless you've a super-high resolution on a less than super-large monitor). Its quite rough there, series logos are missing (and I've not actually changed the page itself), but what do you guys think? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:I like the idea. I think the execution needs xome more work of course but having the logos there definately makes the page nicer looking.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::The logos need to be much, much smaller. That looks not so visually appealing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::If the logos were reduced a little more, I think it would be alright to remove the text and go with just logos. (And giving them TITLE/ALT attributes, of course.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::
::They need to not have backgrounds, and it's going to be a real hassle to get rid of the Classics one. I think the idea could be doable, although the mockup does not look good at all. It could potentially be very ugly and I think we need to be careful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::So we're doing this for every series title? ''Awesome''! And it's gonna have no text? ''Awesome''! And what are we doing for Japanese series?
:::(I saw this done with all the Japanese titles on Cyberbon a few years back. Turns out that bereft of some visual cue to tell you what series you're talking about- every TF logo after Masterforce looks the same.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I suspect that may not be a problem, given that we do not actually have any Japanese titles on the main page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I'll need your help, anyway since I am shithouse at photoshop now and I can't get rid of the backgrounds myself. Also we're still missing logos for Beast Machines, RID and king of hard to track down, G2. We have so few images on the first page that I think, if done right, this could look very nice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Logos so far, and I guess they'll all need to be converted, except for the movie logo:

:::::[[Image:G1logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:G2Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:BWlogo.jpg|left|90px]]
:::::[[Image:RIDlogo.png|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Armadalogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Energonlogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Universelogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Cybertron-Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Classicslogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformers2007logomodified.png|left|150px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformersanimated franchise logo.png|left|100px]]
{{-}}
::::::You might have my help... if I thought it was a good idea. Remember you need to do Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, Return of Convoy, JG2, BW2, BWN, Robotmasters, Binaltech, Kiss-Player, etc. And they somehow have to communicate what series they refer to despite lacking any English text.
::::::Also-also, I assuem that clicking on these logos is supposed to take you to their respective franchise pages? Clicking on an image takes you to the info page for that image. It's a wikipedia fundamental. You need to find a way around that. Have fun!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Don't all those Japanese series fall under the umbrella of G1 or BW anyway? And, as it has been so repeatedly stated, this predominantly an American TF wiki, so I don't think we need to list EVERY TF cartoon ever made, for even with just text links it would be very, very long. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: If you're just linking to the continuity-families, you shouldn't have 3 images for the UT then. Clearly that threw me off. Of course, if this is by Continuity family, we don't need Classics either- it's part of G1.
:::::::: Franchise or continuity family, pick a standard. (and if i'm coming off as Difficult, it's because I think this is a bad idea- but like a lot of bad ideas I'm over-ruled on, if it's goign to be done I'd like to see it done '''well''', or at least consistently.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::There's no logo for UT, unless we make one up, which would be fanart. And those three series are far more well known and arguably more important to American Transformers than the entire Japanese TF continuity. But, if you can come up with the brand/franchise logos for Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, BW The Second, BW Neo and on, then we'll do it your way. Not sure how big the 'By series' list will end up being, however. We may have to end up redesigning the main page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::No love for the BM "clawed-winged gear" logo? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I couldn't find an appropriate image to use, and I didn't have time to edit one out of something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: Looking at that tall list of images leaves me highly skeptical. This list is going to be ''huge.'' It's going to completely dominate the main page and throw everything off entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of the way the main page is laid out right now, it was very much something thrown together in twenty minutes; but without an actual redesign (or even with one, it takes up a whole screen on my computer), I don't see that huge-ass list working out. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, now that I see the images on top of each other, I also think this isn't a great idea anymore. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::And that's ''without'' Machine Wars, Beast Machines, Dinobots and Timelines. And then throw in Animorphs, SWTF and Titanium (not to mention the new Universe and other future lines). That column would be taller than almost all monitors can display. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::''I get it.'' Which is why I only wanted to do it for the series we have at the moment. I wonder, why are you guys suggesting, all of a sudden, series that weren't even there before? If they weren't important enough for inclusion in the column in the first place, why bother to list every TF series ever made now, if only to use them as a means to derail my (evidently) poorly thought out idea? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, less appealing than I thought it might be. I DO definately believe the Main page could use some redesign and more pictures/visual interest. This just may not be the best way to add that.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:I made them smaller, but I see FFN has ''failed''! :O Is there any way to allow the images to link to the articles in question? It would free up clutter if we had the American logos and do away with the text saying what it is. As for placement, I think IF the By series column were to have logos, it would work better if we swapped its location with the 'Top level categories' column. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::It could work... if we reformatted the main page so instead of the vertical list there was a box, with the logos filling up rows and columns. G1 at the top-left and then so on. Just a thought. If it eats up the whole screen, nevermind. --[[User:209.101.152.114|209.101.152.114]] 17:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the image placement markup later. I don't THINK you can make clicking on them take you someplace else... but maybe it'll surprise me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:I checked, it can't be done. Sorry. I think you can make the pic info page re-direct you... but there are several well-founded reasons why you wouldn't want to do that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

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== New Prime Image ==

I have replaced the crappy and blurred Prime image on the main page with a much better version. Hope there are no objections. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:I strongly object. That image is huge and it completely breaks the layout of the front page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right. But I still suggest that the image be replaced or removed entirely. Many images exist on the site that are far better, and could be put to use in its place. Also, the presence of the image on the page causes the Welcome sign to be askew, and makes it look like a bit of a botch job. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:What do you mean, askew? It's not *supposed* to be in the center of the page... is that all you mean? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::How about a size-reduced pic of that close up of Prime's head from the international posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I dislike the current main image, a blurry (imo) close-up of Movie Prime's face. I suggest [[:Image:Wotf g1 movie primal.jpg|this image]] from Takara's Tf site instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's gonna look pretty awful when small, since that image is gonna go in that little feature-box on the right-hand side of the screen. Any way to get a pic from the bit just before that with those three in close-up without the "WORLD OF TRANSFORMERS" on it? That should shrink down way better while still being legible. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's actually 3 seperate pieces of close-up art. I can scrape those and re-create it though. Do you want the starfield behind it, or a transparent background? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hm. Yyyyyeah, starfield, I think. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Okie, Starfield is up at the previously-linked location. Transparent is [[:Image:G1 movie primal.png|here]], and I think it looks better. (Thought his gamma might be too agressive.) If we made it the main image it'd probably be nice to round and fade the edges a bit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It's seriously ''not'' a good picture. (The only reason I objected to the first guy's replacement was because it was like a whole screen tall.) I was really wondering when someone was going to replace it with something better. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about that close up of Prime's movie CG head from the international movie posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

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== Popular Culture? ==

Maybe it's just me, but I think it might be a good idea to include a page that features the various references made to the Transformers franchise in different forms of media and popular culture, i.e. Optimus Prime's cameo in ''The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy''; Prime and Soundwave on ''Family Guy''; the "Rad Rad Robotank" that's appeared every once in a while in ''Homestar Runner'', etc. Anyone else think so?

:Hell yeah, seconded! One of my favorite bits of Wookieepedia is checking out all the different star wars references they catch and list. Seeing a list of real-world transformer references, cameos and sightings would be sweet. Hell, I think it would be fascinating just to see TF sightings. "Oh, so the toy that kid was playing with in this obscure movie was just a <insert TF here> that the prop department repainted. Neat."

:I am... a bit wary of such a thing. A centralized list of pop culture refs would be enormous and very hard to manage, and probably boring. I could see maybe having shorter lists in relevant individual articles -- like, on G1 Soundwave's page, a list of refs to him in particular -- but that would remove some of the usefulness of listing them in the first place, because there wouldn't be an easy way to find them all. How does Wookiepedia do it? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:: I'm also wary for the same reasons I don't want us to handle unofficial stuff like fan-conventions and books... at what point does something become not noteworthy enough to mention? Are we going to list every last damn insignificant webcomic or unfunny comedian who says HEY REMEMBER TRANSFORMERS?! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::We see this sort of thing pop up often enough in forums. And frankly, the Wookieepedia's listing of SW references in pop culture is (and I apologise to the people who compiled them) rather boring. And personally, I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm torn. I agree in principle with everything the naysayers have naysaid. And yet, I want somewhere I can document that <i>Spaceballs: The Lunchbox</i> was a TF lunchbox with the Spaceballs logo slapped on it, and there was an Insecticon among the pile of toys the kid in <i>Flight of the Navigator</i> gets. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::''I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki''<br>
::::I just feel this bears repeating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Looks like you have some caption-editing to do then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::::COULD IT BE? Somebody on the internet who '''doesn't''' like Family Guy? *shocked* I could swear I was the only one! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I told you guys, '''I NEVER WANT TO SEE FAMILY GUY REFERENCED ON THIS WIKI'''. I hate that show and the fact that if you're our age you 'have' to be a fan of it and its limited sense of humour. I think we should discourage people from adding more references beyond the ones we have right now, and just delete ones made by random, unregistered users. We don't reference every time Transformers have appeared on television that isn't a Transformers show so we don't have to reference every instance time they appear on Family Guy. *SHAKES FIST* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Okaaaaay...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 06:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Don't force me to resort to fisticuffs! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think, in the interest of fairness and with awareness of the "slippery-slope", that pop-culture references should generally be stricken outside of certain special circumstances where there's some kind of "official" link... like, say, the Megatron/Jetfire cameo in the old Marvel G.I. Joe comic. Thanks to the web and eighty billion cable channels, allowing any "unofficial" pop-culture would mean we'd be looking at a very Wikipedia-esque "notability" (read: "well, '''I'VE''' never heard of it!") kind of judgment call being taken every time someone puts up a vanity link because they made a Transformers joke in their little flash animation on Newgrounds.<br>
I'm not adverse to having an article ON the fact that TFs is now a popular callback for the nostalgia remoras out there, noting the timing of the "surges" of things transforming into robots as a reference/parody/imitation... but not some list of 'em all. It's the same stance we ''should'' have on any other unofficial work, yes? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Some of our articles reference or link Walky's Shortpacked and Don Murphy's article uses a panel from the old 'Don Murphy knees Ethan in the chest' comic as its main pic. Should those be edited in line with this policy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say yes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say, "it depends". It shoundn't be linked to just for the hell of it, but if a case arises where a Shortpacked! strip -- like any other external page -- provides a cogent illustration of something, I think it should be fine to link to that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Some anonymous, nameless editor at the top raises a good question; how ''does'' Wookieepedia deal with this? I mean, I'm guessing that they have to deal with a whole friggin' lot more than we do, so if they handle it well, they might have an already established set of standards we can modify.

I don't like the idea of having a giant, unmaintainable mess of pointless cruft and I don't think ''I'' would ever be interested in any modern pop culture appearances of Transformers; but that doesn't mean that there aren't ''other'' people who would be interested in a list like that.

(There was also someone else, elsewhere, who raised a good point: what about references to Transformers that ''aren't'' from the last few years? I mean, I don't give a damn about Soundwave on Family Guy and I don't think anyone else here does, either, but what about the more obscure references from Beast Wars and earlier? Those are interesting just because they can potentially illustrate Transformers in pop culture in earlier periods of time, to contrast with now; which certainly seems to ME like it has value.) --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I'd mentioned stuff along that line in #wiigii!... I do think, say, that Razorbeast was on ''Fresh Prince of Bel Aire'' (which I never cared for in all honesty, and I had Fresh Prince albums on steady play growing up) or that ''The Powerpuff Girls'' had an extended CGI tribute/parody of ''Beast Machines'' are WAYYYYY more significant than any TF reference made in the past five years because the HEY LOOK THING YOU REMEMBER wasn't a popular comedy substitute then. At that point, who gave a fuck about Transformers... or about the Eighties, for that matter? Aside from VH1? But it's the ol' slippery-slope again if it goes outside of a "centralized" article that mentions such occurrences within the context of time and doens't try to be a comprehensive list of references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::Wookipedia lists EVERYTHING oh my GOD the pages are huge. They divide it by medium. Every single refence, from American Dad to Webcomics. It's... it's a giant monument to how you don't want to spend your time.

:::Yep, like I said, the wookipedia's list is really, really huge, and really, really boring, no offense to the people who took the time to compile it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Lord, and I can barely work up the drive to make articles on actual official TF episodes. And my ''career'', which I enjoy a lot, is basically "make giant lists of boring minutae". The idea that we'd have a complete list of every unfunny TF gag puked out by Adult Swim shows but not, say, a completed series of ''Beast Wars'' episode articles is fucking ''depressing''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Still, it would keep that crap out of the articles proper, and it might be a nice harmless magnet for the people who want to come in and just write one or two lines, aside from just changing captions. Being so unimportant, it's not the sort of thing you'd feel COMPELLED to work on. --[[User:Anonymous Prime|Anonymous Prime]] 09:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've come to think that the centralized list of refs is the best solution. That way we don't have to worry about lists of totally stupid stuff interfering with the articles we care about. (Well, except for that highly-annoying list of quotes from [[Transformers (2007)]].) It also means we don't have to make any decisions about a notability policy because the pop culture refs page is obviously going to be an unsaveable ghetto anyway, so why bother. For the record, I want to emphasize that I doubt it's possible to like Family Guy less than I do. I simply couldn't bear to the see the Family Guy mentions exacerbated by being written badly. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say you should take a look at the "Sightings" section at HRWiki.org. They do a pretty good job of organizing their stuff. (Though I don't think we really need a section for webcomics and the like) [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload==
I assume this is a wiki software thing, but does anybody know why the upload button you can use when you edit something no longer allows you to fill out details on the file being uploaded? I've trained myself to keep an open 'Upload File' page, but its abit annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
: I'm not sure what you mean. I still see the same ol' page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::When I click the upload popup button (not the Upload file link on the side of the page), in the popup the appears, there's only File: (Browse button) and the "All images uploaded are subject to Wikia's GNU Free Documentation License. Do not upload copyrighted images." warning among some minor things. No space for one to type out file details.
::It has been this way since Wikia updated its software a few weeks back, so to fill out details by editing the image's page afterwards. Before the software upgrade, the upload popup also allowed you to fill out file details, just like the Upload file page. This is part of the reason why lately there have been quite a number of images uploaded with no information whatsoever - most non-registered users or newcomers use the upload button instead of the Upload file link on the side of the page. I believe Zodberg has mentioned this when somebody here asked him to fill out image details. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Animated GIFs ==

If there isn't already, can we put a ban on these things? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:There are a couple that I sort of like, as on [[Spark]] and [[Oracle (G1)]]. Those ones are, IMO, considerably less obnoxious than the movie GIFs that people keep uploading. They are smaller in terms of pixels, and file size, and are far less flashy. So... I wouldn't go for a straight ban, but, certainly we could discourage them unless they are tasteful. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'd be sad if we deleted the [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] one. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, those three should stay. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:The one on [[Ginrai]] would be a damned shame to lose.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Generally speaking, I never think outright bans are the correct response when what you ''really'' want is for people to exercise restraint.
::(Of course, I made 3 of the 4 examples people cited of animated gifs that don't suck, so I'm biased.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::You know what we should do? Make an animated gif warning people against using them!
::::Seriously, what confuses is that Chosen40k uploading not only an animated gif, but a *redundant* animated gif. I mean, my collage of screencaps for that very scene is right there... I blame the Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Red Links on Main Page ==

So, we have two red links on the main page, "TV and movies" and "Toys". Were those links always red, or did something get moved? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:The pages were deleted for being lists. I've added redirects to prevent these broken links. You can view the old content in the [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=TV_and_movies&oldid=85218 page] [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Toys&oldid=33798 history]. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 23:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed LocalSettings change ==

Tweaking the [[e-Hobby]] page this morning got me thinking about iPods. Specifically [[Wikipedia:iPod|Wikipedia's iPod article]] which, as you can see, has a lowercase first character. (That's new BTW, it didn't until a few months ago.)

The iPod page uses a magic word called <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> to let you change how the page title displays. (You can't go nuts and call it 'Greg,' you can just set an alternate capitalization. You can't break anything with it.)
But enabling DisplayTitle is a LocalSettings change (requires a wiki tech to do it) so before making a request I did a quick check for any other Hot-and-Sexy LocalSettings options we might wan to consider. Out of ~200 settables, here's my short list:

<dl>
<dt>wgAllowDisplayTitle
<dd>enable the aforementioned <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> flag
<dt>wgFileExtensions
<dd>Allowed file types on "Upload file." (I haven't noticed anyone grousing about not being able to upload ''X'', but I thought I'd throw it out in case someone had a really good idea.)
<dt>wgRateLimits
<dd>Limit to number of page edits allowed in a time period. e.g. 4 edits per minute, or 50 edits in 20 minutes... etc. (I'd probably be against this one because of linkfixes, and because we haven't had to deal with mass-edit-spam yet... and you shouldn't restrict users without a pressing need.)
<dt>wgLocaltimezone
<dd>Set the local timezone (used in the recent edits page, among others) to something other than UTC. It bugs me to see the wiki's time off by 5 hours, and it's ''unamerican'', where's our english bias when we need it most?
<dt>wgBlockAllowsUTEdit
<dd>Allow blocked users to edit their ''own'' user talk page. I '''strongly''' favor this one, letting the condemned have his say keeps us from coming off as totalitarian jackboots. On a purely ''functional'' level- now in order to protest/request clarification/bitch about being banned, a blocked user must first figure out how to ''evade'' our ban. Given a choice between disgruntled users venting by howling on their own talk pages and disgruntled users evading bans to (feeling silenced) howl on ''other'' pages, I'd prefer the former.
</dl>

(There's lots of other setables- but most of them just aren't useful for a wiki at our level of traffic.) I'm in favor of DisplayTitle, BannedUserTalk and maybe Timezone (Set to Portland Oregon? Rhode Island?)

I'd need to hear what others think- I'm not going to pursue a tech request unless there's favoring consensus. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me. Also, you should have posted this to the community portal instead of the main page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::The Community portal never discusses this kind of thing...
::Oh, you meant the CP talk page. Duly noted for the future. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. I'll throw in my vote. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 19:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:I thought blocked users could ALREADY edit their own talk pages. Did they change the settings at some point? Regardless, I definitely agree with you there on pretty much every count. And changing the time zone to SOMETHING in North America sounds good to me, too, just because it gets weird when the day breaks like five hours off of when it actually should. The actual time zone doesn't even matter that much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::Really? MediaWiki says its false by default. (I guess Wikia might have set it true as default) I don't remember being able to edit my talk page when I was banned... but perhaps I just never needed to. Let's test! Ban me!
::Um... you will have to un-ban me after the test though. ;)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Our most recent Irate-Jerk-Who-Was-Banned was indeed able to post endlessly to her own talk page after she was banned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Which one? Registered user? IP user? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

It seems to me it would be in our best interests to semi-protect the main page against anonymous IP edits. Because, y'know, it's the frigging main page, and it's not going to have much editing done on it by anonymous users other than to replace it with "LOL UR GAY." --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I agree entirely. It's done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Military Personality ==

Through the timeline the Autobots and Decepticons had been featured military personality. IG Sir Yes Sir. Roger That. Affirmative.

Usually commanders stay behind at HQ and let their fucking lackies do the fighting. Not lead a team into battle. IG Optimus and Megatron lead their armies to battle each other and they fight in battle. In Transformers Armada the 2 leaders are supposed to stay at their HQs and let their fucking troops do battle and get the fucking mini-cons. Not make personal appearences.([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
:What does that have to do with the Main Page...or anything regarding this wiki? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant whats happening during the series. Have you notice military commanders are supposed to stay behind while their troops are doing their work? The Big army thing had been featured in Armada.
:There are no less than ''ten separate series'' detailed on this wiki, and it's not really relevant to this page to discuss any of them directly as this talkpage is about the layout and formatting of the main page of this wiki. It is not a general discussion board about Transformers.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 01:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

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Thundercracker (Armada)

2007-10-07T05:54:36Z

Sideways: /* ''Cybertron'' */

{{disambig3|Thundercracker}}

:''Thundercracker is a [[Decepticon]] in the [[Armada]] and [[Cybertron]] portions of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] continuity family.''

[[Image:ArmadaThundercracker.jpg|thumb|300px|Say, haven't I seen you somewhere before?]]

'''Thundercracker''' suffered from low self-esteem and longed for approval from authority figures to validate his existence. He was willing to work as hard as necessary to gain attention and praise from [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], but when all his efforts were ignored or taken for granted, he grew frustrated. Thundercracker felt the need to engage in ever more risky and reckless behavior in an attempt to gain Megatron's notice. Many predicted this would lead to his destruction.

When next we see Thundercracker it is over ten years later, loyally serving under [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] during the search for the [[Cyber Planet Key]]s. In the intervening years he became something of a jokester and goofball. This has often gained him the attention that he craves. Though frequently, especially when Megatron is the brunt of the joke, it is far from positive attention. Thundercracker doesn't seem mature enough to tell the difference, but he does know when to get the smelt out of Decepticon HQ before Megatron looks for someone to pummel.

''('''Note''': the [[Dreamwave]]'' More Than Meets The Eye ''bio compilation for the Armada series portrays Thundercracker very differently, as a former Decepticon who left the army centuries ago. However, this does not seem to mesh with the glimpses of unreleased'' [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] ''comic issues where Thundercracker, along with several other Armada-series characters, show up in the present day.)''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Armada''====
The character "'''Thundercracker'''" is never seen in the Armada cartoon. When Starscream gains his [[Powerlinx]] coloration, however, he happens to look just like Thundercracker. In ''[[Armada]]'' (although not ''Micron Legend'') he specifically says "I look like Thundercracker," with a clear tone of distaste, proving that, although he is not seen, ''Armada'' Thundercracker must exist in this continuity as well and is probably a goober.

====''Cybertron''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Mark Oliver]] (US) [[Kazunari Tanaka]] (Japan)

[[Image:CybThundercracker.jpg|250px|left|thumb|He puts the "cracker" in "Thundercracker". A-hyuck!]]

He scan a jet and attacked Landmine. In episode Ambush or something he has an electric punch and it injured Jetfire.

Back outside the boundaries of the Unicron Singularity, Thundercracker and the few remaining Decepticons still loyal to Galvatron were given a boost of Omega Lock power, super-sizing them so they could take on the massed armies that had gathered from all of the colony worlds to oppose them. Thundercracker took on Optimus Prime himself to give Galvatron time to achieve his goal. However, Thundercracker was then gang-attacked by [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]], giving Prime the opportunity to chase Galvatron into the black hole.

Thundercracker continued to fight, and came very close to being directly in the path of the singularity-collapsing cannon-blast from the massive [[Ark (Cybertron)|''Ark'' starship]].

After the defeat of Galvatron and the closing of the Unicron Singularity, Thundercracker realized that Galvatron was going to let him die in the cataclysm that his plan would have caused, and along with the other now-de-powered Decepticons, ran off. When the rocket boosters that built on the [[Jungle Planet]] to push the world back to its normal place in the cosmos began to fail, the four Decepticons arrived, cackling... and helped with the efforts to keep the thrusters upright and functional, deciding to try being on the winning team for once.

[[Image:Thundercracker-Autobot.jpg|thumb|right|Thundercracker gits 'r' done.]]

Thundercracker spent most of his time then on Earth, under the supervision of Mudflap, helping rebuild cities damaged by the Singularity's effects. When the Autobots were ready to begin their [[Space Bridge]] initiative, Thundercracker went to see his new "best friend" Optimus Prime off. Unfortunately, he ran across his former Decepticon allies, who were sick of trying to fit in, and had built a ramshackle rocket and taken off to form the [[New Decepticon Army]]. The trio shanghai'd Thundercracker, who ''really'' didn't want to join them, and took off for parts unknown.

They made it as far as [[Mars]] before the rocket crashed.

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==Toys==
===Armada===
*'''Thundercracker with Zapmaster''' (Max-Con, 2003)

[[Image:Armada_Thundercracker_toy.jpg|right|thumb|DEAD GRAY EYES.]]

: Thundercracker is a [[redeco]] of ''Armada'' [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], transforming into a Cybertronic fighter jet. In both modes, pressing down on his cockpit canopy activates electronic sound effects; in jet mode, it also deploys his [[Mini-Con]] partner [[Zapmaster]] if he is stored under the cockpit. Plugging a Mini-Con onto his rearmost [[Powerlinx]] plug releases two spring-activated over-shoulder spring-loaded missile launchers, as well as more electronic sound effects. His left wing detaches and unfolds to form a large sword for use in robot mode. He is something of a rarity in the Armada line, in that he is a redeco that is a new, separate character rather than a "[[Powerlinx]]" upgrade of an existing character.

: This mold was [[retool]]ed to make ''Armada'' [[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] and ''[[Universe]]'' [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]].

:''('''Note''': In Japan, Thundercracker's toy is simply a "powered up" version of Starscream.)''

[[Image:BTR_Armada_Thundercracker.jpg|left|thumb|105px|Energon cake goes right to his hips.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Built to Rule, 2003)

: For the ''[[Built to Rule]]'' line, Thundercracker was once again a redeco, a new-color version of the Starscream set. He can be assembled into a Cybertronic fighter jet or a robot, or to whatever else you feel like making out of the blocks provided (or any blocks you feel like adding). He came with a building-brick version of Zapmaster. The set features two missile launchers that use a unique "twist-block" pressure-launch mechanism. He was one of the last of the Transformers ''Built To Rule'' toys released at wide retail.

{{-}}
===Cybertron===
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GD-02'''

[[Image:TCracker-CybToy.jpg|right|thumb|This hick's shotgun is ''built-in''.]]

: Part of the first wave of the ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' series, Thundercracker transforms into a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-35 Sukhoi Su-35] fighter jet. Inserting a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into his rear fuselage pops up the back panel, revealing a spring-loaded missile launcher. This assembly becomes his left forearm in robot mode, despite being almost as long as he is tall. He came with a silver-bordered [[Earth]]-style Cyber Planet Key; the [[Hasbro]] release has the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "'''d98d'''" [[tampograph]]ed on the back of it.

: The [[Takara]] ''Galaxy Force'' release of the toy is slightly different from the later [[Hasbro]] ''Cybertron'' release, mainly the Hasbro version added a Decepticon insignia to the missile-launcher cover.

: This mold is also used by ''Cybertron'' Skywarp.

*'''Ground To Air Blast Pack: Crosswise vs Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2006)

: In 2006, Target got multiple [[exclusive]] toys and reduced-price multi-packs, among them a set with unaltered versions of Thundercracker and [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] for about 75% the cost of two Deluxees normally.

*'''Thundercracker with Downshift''' (Tiny Tins multi-pack, 2006)

: Part of a run of Wal-Mart exclusive sets, Dirt Boss was also sold in a larger box that came with a special [[redeco]] of the [[Race Mini-Con Team]] member [[Downshift (Armada)|Downshift]], plus a special [[Tiny Tins]] carrying tin for the Mini-Con. Dirt Boss himself was unaltered from his normal release.

*'''Thundercracker''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)

[[Image:Cybertron_LOC_Thundercracker.jpg|left|thumb|170px|"Hey Sarge! They done gave me one of these new-fangled DOUBLE shotguns!"]]

: A smaller, simplified version of the deluxe toy was released in the fourth wave of the ''[[Legends of Cybertron]]'' line. Unlike the large toy, this version has two robot-mode fists, and the blaster-weapon is now an arm-mounted double-barreled weapon.

: This mold was used to make ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]].

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==Trivia==
* According to [[Joe Kyde]], the reason for ''Armada'' Thundercracker's red face was because the gray plastic used to make the eyes is [[unpaintable plastic]], so he changed to original plan from gray face and red eyes to red face and gray eyes.
* One of Thundercracker's lines in the episode "Inferno", as well as several other episodes, is <i>"git 'r' done"</i>. Seriously.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm Armada Thundercracker at TFU.info]

*[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm Cybertron Thundercracker at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Built to Rule]]
[[Category: Cybertron characters]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Legends of Cybertron]]
[[Category: Seekers]]
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Override (Cybertron)

2007-10-07T05:52:10Z

Sideways: /* Cybertron Cartoon */

{{disambig3|Override}}

:''Override is an [[Autobot]] from [[Velocitron]] in the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Map-Override.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Those thighs could crush [[Hot Shot (Armada)|a man]]!]]

'''Override''' is the best racer on Velocitron, and as such is the leader of the planet. She seemingly embodies the culture itself; she is quick-witted, decisive, self-sure and always looking for a challenge. This has its upsides and downsides: while she's brave and determined with a never-give-up attitude, she can also be cocky to the point of arrogant, if not selfish and shortsighted. She entered the great race for leadership disguised as a "boy", and has been defending her title and proving herself more than a match for anyone since.

After contact with the Autobots from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], particularly [[Hot Shot (UT)|Hot Shot]] and [[Optimus Prime (UT)|Optimus Prime]], she has matured into a more careful, more compassionate robot, less focused on being the best racer and more focused on being the best ''leader'' for her people... though she still maintains her never-lose attitude and love of high-speed challenges.

She has developed a close bond with the human girl [[Lori]], referring to her as "Little Sister", which Lori reciprocates by calling Override "Big Sister".

:''('''Note''': In Japan, Override is a "male" Transformer. She was originally intended to be a "male" in the [[Hasbro]] version of ''Cybertron'', but Cartoon Network, the channel with the airing rights to the show, felt it needed more female presence in the main cast, and Override was chosen to change genders. This seems to have worked out really well.)''

:''Japanese name'': '''Nitro Convoy'''

==Fiction==
===Cybertron Cartoon===
'''Special Attacks''' Mach Shot, Nitro Boost

[[Image:Cyb_override_race.jpg|left|thumb|150px|It's like the Crying Game all over again.]]

In the episode end she comes with Optimus Prime to represent her planet.
{{-}}

==Toys==
===Cybertron===
*'''Override''' (Deluxe class, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''GC-10'''
[[Image:Cyb_Override_toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Dude looks like a lady.]]

: Part of the Speed Planet theme, Override transforms into a sleek futuristic race car. Plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into the rear portion of her car mode causes two non-firing blasters to flip out into attack position; this assembly becomes a hand-weapon for robot mode. Override's transformation is partially spring-loaded, flipping her torso and arms into position, requiring only her lower body and backpack to be manually configured. She came with a gold-bordered Velocitron-style Cyber Planet Key.

: There are a few small deco changes between the [[Hasbro]] and [[Takara]] versions of the toy; Takara's has a gold face and no faction sigil, while Hasbro's has an orange face, Autobot faction sigil, and gives her Key the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key code]] "'''dy7p'''".

: This version of Override also was available in two different store-[[exclusive]] multi-packs. The first was a Wal-Mart set, including the ''Cybertron''-series [[Tiny Tin]] version of the [[Race Mini-Con Team]] member [[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]]. The second was a Target-exclusive "'''Drag Race'''" set with [[Hot Shot (UT)|Hot Shot]].

: This mold was used to make the evil clone [[Dark Nitro Convoy]].

*'''Override GTS''' (Deluxe class, 2006)

[[Image:Cyb_OverrideGTS_toy.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Lady looks like a dude.]]

: Override's first toy was [[redeco]]ed into a non-show coloration, replacing her white for a light gray, and gaining more black in her scheme. She still came with a gold -bordered Velocitron Cyber Planet Key, though this one has the Key code "'''dj9n'''".

: Early solicitations for this toy used the name "'''Double Clutch'''", suggesting that at one time, it might have been under consideration as being a new character. However, the first ''true'' Hasbro announcement of the toy at [[BotCon 2005]] was that it was Override again.

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==Merchandise==

==Trivia==
* Override's robot-mode CGI model appears in the viewscreen of the [[Hasbro]] version of the [[Real Gear Robots]] toy [[Zoom Out 25X]].
* Override's alternate mode of a futuristic race car, as well as its red and white color scheme evokes the Mach 5 from the ''Speed Racer'' series.
* Override's color scheme is similar to the ''Generation 1'' Autobot [[Minerva]].

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/Override/override.htm Override at TFU.info]

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Alliance

2007-10-07T05:46:18Z

Sideways: /* Detailed Synopsis */

'''Autobots and Decepticons join forces.'''

{{episodenav|armada|49|prev=Cramp|next=Union}}

=Armada Episode 49=

*''Original airdate:'' September 30th, 2003 (United Kingdom), November 14th, 2003 (North America) (YTV)
*''Characters (in order of appearance):'' [[Demolishor]] [[Megatron (UT)|Galvatron]], [[Cyclonus (UT)|Cyclonus]], [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], [[Sideways (UT)|Sideways]], [[Carlos Lopez]], [[High Wire (UT)|High Wire]], [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]], [[Optimus Prime (UT)|Optimus Prime]], [[Side Swipe (UT)|Side Swipe]], [[Hot Shot (UT)|Hot Shot]], [[Hoist (Armada)|Hoist]], [[Jetfire (UT)|Jetfire]], [[Unicron]]

==Detailed Synopsis==

Demolishor is astonished to hear about the truce between the two armies. Galvatron is just upset at how poorly things have turned.

[[Image:Sshot-arm-491-ships.jpg|right|thumb|175px|Not all Autobot spaceships know how to swim.]]

Inside of Unicron, Thrust and Sideways plan their inevitable victory and conquest of the universe. The power of the [[Star Saber]] and the other mini con weapons allows Unicron to shed the remains of his moon-disguise shell. The dark god hovers over [[Cybertron]], sucking up parts of the terrain. Both armies evacuate the surface, assisted by the [[Mini-Con]] swarm.

[[Image:Sshot-arm-492-decepts.jpg|left|thumb|175px|Megatron... Darth Vader... What's the difference?]]

In a ceremonial procedure, Galvatron and his men meet for a handshake to seal the truce. The leaders shake hands, and Perceptor also grabs on as his way of representing the allegiance of the Mini-cons. Forming a single front, the [[Armada]] heads towards Unicron. The first volley of fire does no damage against their enemy. Two larger ships perform reconaissance and are blasted, so a team of Hot Shot, Side Swipe, Demolishor, and Cyclonus (and some others) are sent in, based on a [[Star Wars|vaguely familar]] theory that smaller ships will pass through Unicron's detection. On Unicron's surface, Cyclonus and the generics fly away to break stuff, and Demolishor leaves to avoid Hot Shot, leaving the two Autobots by themselves.

[[Image:Sshot-arm-492-redshirts.jpg|right|thumb|175px|Balls of DOOOOM!!!!]]

[[Image:Sshot-arm-494-remains.jpg|left|thumb|175px|You failed your highness, I'm a Jedi like my father before me... yeah...]]

Unicron's geography shifts and folding, disturbing his visitors (and causing Demolishor to lose Blackout. From the base, Galvatron suggests another attack. which Optimus makes sure won't harm the recon crew, who have their hands full fighting against swarms of [[Dead-End (Armada)|Dead-Ends]]. Demolishor saves Cyclonus from falling into a fissure, while the Autobots assist their begrudgent allies. Demolishor saves Side Swipe from falling into another fissure, and Hot Shot thanks the Decepticon by re-uniting Demolishor with Blackout. A tender moment. Optimus and Galvatron arrive to bring the group home.

From a distance, the armada witnesses Unicron complete his transformation into robot mode, ready to devour the planet.

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==Quotes==

*'''Galvatron:''' I LOATHE YOU, UNICRON!

**'''Billy:''' I don't like this, Fred
**'''Fred:'''And I wish I went to the bathroom!
**'''Red:''' You know guys, I'd never thought I'd see this happen. The two of them shaking hands, just standing here in front of the Decepticons watching this is like some kind of weird dream.
**'''Carlos:''' Hey, are you alright, Alexis?
**'''Alexis:''' Yeah, I was just thinking about Starscream. You know he sure would have loved to see all this happen between them. After all, it was kind of his last request.
**'''Rad:''' Well, I got a feeling he knows.

**'''Demolishor:''' I'm only doing this because I'm following Galvatron's orders.
**'''Cyclonus:''' Ha! I can't believe I'm fighting for harmony! What a load of bunk! I'm a lean, mean, fighting machine! Hahahaha!
**'''Side Swipe:''' I gotta work with this guy? I'm not so sure about this.

**'''Tidal Wave:''' Tidal Wave
**'''Jetfire:''' uh... Nice meetin ya.

**'''Galvatron:''' I can't believe I just saved Prime!

**'''Rad:''' I've never seen anything like it, it's like I'm starring into the face of pure evil.
**'''All kids:''' He's gigantic!

=Items of note=
* Various cameos appear in the hand-shaking scene, including [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]

* The Generic Decepticons sent to Unicron to assist the named characters have G1 character models in colors based on some of the Mini-Cons (such as [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] in [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] colors)(see photo).
**They totally [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redshirt_%28character%29 all died.]

*Cyclonus is in danger of falling into a hole, having apparently forgotten that ''he can fly'' which he was doing ''moments before''.

*Assuming the episode was entirely in real-time, Unicron's transformation took close to seven minutes.

* Yes, the combined army of Autobots, Decepticons, and Mini-Cons is what the Armada in the title of the series stands for.

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Skyboom (Armada)

2007-10-07T05:44:54Z

Sideways: /* Animated continuity */

{{Template:Disambig2|the combined form of the Race Team|the Energon Saber Mini-Con member|Skyboom (Energon)}}

:''The Skyboom shield is one of the three ultimate [[Mini-Con]] weapons from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].''

[[Image:ArmadaSkyboomShield.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"Why do we look like a spaceship?"]]

Formed from the [[Race Team]] Mini-Cons [[Dirt Boss (Armada)|Dirt Boss]], [[Downshift (Armada)|Downshift]] and [[Mirage (Armada)|Mirage]], the '''Skyboom''' shield is possibly the ultimate defensive force in the known universe. It is the only thing that can withstand the might of the [[Star Saber (UT)|Star Saber]] and [[Requiem Blaster |Requiem Blaster]] weapons, but the full limits of all three have never been tested.

''Japanese name: '''Cosmotector''' ''

==Fiction==
===''Armada''===
===Animated continuity===

[[Image:Skyboomshield_stockfootage.jpg|thumb|left|150px|"Super Special Awesome Sexy Transformation Sequence GO!!!"]]

The existence of the Skyboom Shield was first revealed by [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] to [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] when the Decepticons manage to find a seemingly-unresponsive [[Mini-Con storage panel|Mini-Con panel]]. Reputedly, the shield had the ability to resist the power of the mighty [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber sword]]. {{Storylink|Overmatch}}

[[Image:ArmadaMegs_Starsaber_Skyboom.jpg|thumb|right|150px|"Uh-huh...that's right...who's laughing now? WHO'S LAUGHING NOW?!"]]

Soon afterwards, the Decepticons manage to secure the remaining Mini-Con Race Team members, and deploy the shield in battle. However to the surprise of both factions, when [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] defends [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], the Skyboom Shield in turn defends the Autobot leader against Megatron's Star Saber. The resulting blows by the sword against the shield unleash a beam of energy into deep space, similar to the Mini-Con signal that drew the Transformers to Earth. {{Storylink|Decisive Battle}}

Afterwards, the Skyboom Shield remained in the possession of the Autobots and was entrusted in the care of [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]]. Smokescreen would fire the Shield from his shoulder mounted cannon in order to quickly transport it to a comrade in need.

It was latter used to reborn Unicron.
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==Toys==
===Armada===
* '''Race Team''' (Mini-Con Team, 2002/2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MM-05'''

: The Skyboom shield is formed out of all three Race Team members. Downshift forms the top of the shield, Dirt Boss forms the middle of the shield, and Mirage forms the lower portion of the shield. There is a fold-out handle with a 5mm peg for compatible figures to hold in their fists. The shield can also be mounted on a Mini-Con peg via the Mini-Con Powerlinx port on the underside of Downshift.

===Energon===

===Cybertron===
The race team was released in a new deco pattern based on their second release.
They were packaged in tiny tins with the first two waves of cybertron deluxes.

===Universe===
All three individual Race Team Mini-Cons were released as [[Tiny Tin]]s in their original Armada colors under the [[Universe]] line.

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[[Category: Japanese promotion exclusives]]
[[Category: Micron Boosters]]
[[Category: Mini-Con weapons]]
[[Category: Tiny Tins]]
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Requiem Blaster (Armada)

2007-10-07T05:44:22Z

Sideways: /* ''Armada'' */

:''The Requiem Blaster is a [[Mini-Con]] weapon from the [[Armada]] and [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] portions of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:RequiemBlaster.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Not to be confused with [[Dirgegun]].]]

The Requiem Blaster is quite simply the most powerful energy weapon in the known galaxy. It is the combined form of the Mini-Cons [[Astroscope]], [[Payload (Armada)|Payload]], and [[Sky Blast]]. It utilizes Astroscope's transdimensional research to drawn on the power of a super nova's energy, a quasar sonic output, or a [[black hole]]'s gravity. This makes it EXTREMELY powerful. Only the [[Skyboom Shield]] is able to diffuse an attack from the blaster.

:''Japanese name'': '''Astro Blaster'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Armada''====

The actual power level of the Requiem Blaster seems to vary between appearances. At one point it allowed [[Optimus Prime (Armada)| Optimus Prime]] to slow his fall and boiled away the ocean below him without harming the ground underneath it. Later in the series, however, it blasted a hole clear through [[Smokescreen (Armada)| Smokescreen]] and the wall behind him, showing that it can destroy Cybertronian metal. One presumes that it is a touch stronger than common Earth dirt.

It was a weapon used to reborn Unicron forever.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

==Toys==
===Armada===

===Energon===

==External links==

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Brawl (G1)

2007-10-07T05:43:23Z

Sideways: /* Trivia */

{{disambig2|the original Brawl|the Brawl from the 2007 movie|Brawl (Movie)}}

:''Brawl is a [[Decepticon]] and a [[Combaticon]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:MTMTEBrawl.jpg|right|thumb|300px|"I wouldn't need the pistol, but I don't wanna have to bend over to aim..."]]

If '''Brawl's''' on the battlefield and you can't hear him coming it's time to check your audio receptors, because chances are you've gone deaf. Brawl's main distinguishing characteristic is '''VOLUME'''. No matter if he's talking {yelling}, moving {clanking and rattling}, or fighting {yelling, clanking, rattling, and blasting) you're sure to hear him doing it, as is anyone else in the county. As if that wasn't enough, he also a ball of barely contained rage and violence with a hair-trigger temper. This makes even his comrades wary, but it does make him a force to be reckoned with on the battlefield... as long as the mission doesn't require stealth.

Brawl combines with his fellow Combaticons to form [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]].

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Baggareur'''<br>
:''Italian name'': '''Bomber'''
:''Hungarian name'': '''Huligán'''

==Fiction==
===''Generation 1''===
===Marvel Comics continuity===

On his first mission on Earth, Brawl was tripped up by a bunch of vine creatures, crystallized, and blown to smithereens. Luckily for him, this was all in [[Afterdeath!|virtual reality]]. Unluckily for him, Brawl learned nothing about caution from this experience. A few days later, he mouthed off at [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Megatron proceeded to pop Brawl's head like a ripe melon.

He got better.

===Animated continuity===
Brawl was one of several [[Renegade Decepticon]]s who went against [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and had his [[personality component]] removed and placed in storage. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] was booted out of the Decepticons, he stole the personality components of the Combaticons, including Brawl. Brawl was less then greatful to his liberator, and threatened to pound him, until Starscream revealed that he had "forgotten" to install energy converters into them. The Combaticons, including Brawl, decided to bid their time. {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}}. After being banished to an asteroid, the Combaticons managed to tow it to Cybertron, and evict [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. Brawl would have prefered to just shoot the hell out of the Decepticons and Earth, but [[Onslaught]] managed to rig the [[space bridge]] to drag Earth into the sun. The plan didn't work out, and the Combaticons were reprogrammed to serve Megatron. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

After the Combaticons were damaged by [[Superion]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] sold them to [[El Presidente]]. Under threat of death by Megatron, Swindle stole back the parts of his unit. However, he was unable to find Brawl's personality component, preventing the Combaticons from merging into Bruticus. It was eventually recovered, but it does pose a question: why does Bruticus depend on the personality component of a loud, homicidal maniac to form? {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

===Dreamwave continuity===
[[Image:Brawltww.jpg|left|thumb|150px|This... is my BOOMSTICK!]]

Brawl participated in [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s siege on Iacon. {{storylink|War Within}}. As part of a combiner group, his actions were somewhat limited by the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]]; it is unknown how he occupied his time while the Accord was in place. {{storylink|The Dark Ages, Part 3}}

Millions of years later, when [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] appeared on Earth, the battered Combaticons were ordered by Starscream to combine into Bruticus and deal with the crazed zealot. It did not end well.

[[Image:G1DW_SkyLynx_defeats_Combaticons.jpg|right|thumb|250px|This can't turn out good...]]

The repaired Combaticons were brought to the Guadalcanal where they could hone their somewhat lackluster combat skills and listen to Starscream's long-winded aspirations of glory. When Swindle commented on Starscream's mental state, Brawl agreed, stating that he'd like to pull the Air Commander's Cerebro circuits straight out of his faceplate so they could get a better look at them. Starscream over hears their conversation, but lets it pass in order for them to fight the magnificent Autobot [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]. Unfortunately, the Combaticons do not fare well when the crafty Autobot splits into his two forms, with Brawl and Onslaught nearly crushed by the Lynx's right paw.

This was the least of their troubles, however, as [[Predaking]] showed up as soon as Sky Lynx was deactivated. This encounter also did not end well. {{Storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

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===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' comics continuity===
As part of [[Serpent O.R.]]'s forces, Brawl defended the newly unified Decepticon army's base against a combined Autobot/[[G.I. Joe]] strike force. {{storylink|The Art of War, Part 5}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Brawl''' (Combaticon, 1986/1987/1990)
: ''Combaticon Team number:'' '''C1'''
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''D-67'''

[[Image:G1Brawl_toy.jpg|left|thumb|150px|World's Greatest Duck Hunter]]

: Brawl transforms into a green Leopard 1 main battle tank. In vehicle mode his armament is supplemented by a large dark gray anti-aircraft gun mounted of the back of the tank's hull. In robot mode Brawl is armed with a small dark gray gun.

: Early releases of Brawl used painted die-cast metal for his chest and leg-mounted tank treads. This was later replaced by color-cast plastic. The complete set of Combaticons were re-released in the European-market "[[Classics (Euro)|Classics]]" line in 1990; these releases has the [[rubsign]] indent removed from the molding.

: Brawl normally operates as Bruticus' left leg, but as a [[Scramble City]]-style combiner, he can also act as any other limb for any other combination of robots who share the connection design.

: In 1987, Brawl also came with a randomly-packed Decepticon [[Decoy]] and accompanying mini-comic/checklist.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed as ''[[Operation Combination]]'' [[Sandstorm (OC)|Sandstorm]], ''[[Generation 2]]'' Brawl, ''[[Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Armorhide (RID)|Armorhide]] (twice!) and finally ''[[Universe]]'' Armorhide.

===Generation 2===
*'''Brawl''' (Combaticon, 1994)

==Trivia==
* Brawl's animation model was used multiple times (in both robot and tank modes) as generic Decepticons in the ''[[Armada]]'' cartoon.
* At some point or another their were plans for a War Within version of Brawl planned for the 6" [[Titanium]] line as was seen in Wal-Mart computers. Plans of this item are unknown, now that the Transformers Titanium line is cancelled.
*The tank brawl turns into is a GDI X-66 Mammoth Tank in Dreamworks or something.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Brawl/brawl.htm Brawl at TFU.info]

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Talk:Thrust (Armada)

2007-10-07T05:39:59Z

Sideways: /* Problem */

I'm not really sure that Thrust's minor involvement with Unicron in the cartoon really qualifies him for the Unicron-Related Characters category. If it does, then you'd have to add Starscream (G1) to that category as well, in addition to just about every other character who's encountered the Chaos Bringer and not died/killed him. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 11:31, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thrust allied himself with Sideways, betrayed the Decepticons, and became a servant of Unicron. That qualifies as "related" in my book --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 11:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

== Problem ==

How Thrust appeared in Energon? Only Energon can reborn him. His power obsession went to Starscream in Cybertron series. Starscream started copying him in Transformers Cybertron. Show an image of Thrust in Energon. I never seen Fucking Thrust in Energon.

Where is Thrust in Energon? Show a photo of Thrust in ENERGON due to OH MY GOSH! UNICRON KILLED THRUST!
(Spearhead 03:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

:Okay, look. I need someone to comfirm for me that this is all from one person, and at first he wasn't just logged in. I cannot accept that this level of stupid is coming from more than one person. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:54, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
::It's all the guy currently logged in as Sideways. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:55, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

No seriously I'm not the IP Jumper who this wiki blocked. I'm his brother. And prove Thrust has appeared in the Energon series.(Spearhead 05:39, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Demolishor (Armada)

2007-10-07T05:37:41Z

Sideways: /* Cybertron */

:''Demolishor is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Demolishor-AR-DVD.jpg|300px|thumb|right|They were delicious.]]

'''Demolishor''' is a military expert that serves [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] through the [[Unicron Battles]]. He is a very trusted, but sometimes very ''dim'' soldier that holds very true-to-[[spark]] values concerning loyalty and devotion to the Decepticon cause. These values sometimes collide with Megatron's ultimately-selfish goals, and Demolishor finds himself struggling to reconcile the two.

Ultimately though, Demolishor never abandons his devotion to the Decepticons as a whole, even if his faith in its leader is shattered.

His [[Mini-Con]] partner is [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]].

:''Japanese ''Armada'' name'': '''Ironhide'''<br>
:''Japanese ''Energon'' name'': '''Irontread''' (dumptruck body)

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Armada''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Alvin Sanders]] (English), [[Koji Yusa]] (Japanese)

Demolishor served as Megatron's right-hand military expert until the arrival of [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], although he often competed with [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] for the title. He was often dense and simple-minded, but very devoted to his cause. Perhaps the most thoughtful action of Demolishor in this time was to tear through a door Megatron had sealed in order to stop Megatron from destroying [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], who Demolishor valued as a Decepticon ally. Demolishor was seriously damaged by [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], only to be reformatted into a red/white color scheme (as a homage to his Japanese namesake, [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]). He would go on to serve in the United Armada against [[Unicron]].

====''Energon''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Alvin Sanders]] (English), [[Koji Yusa]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Demolishor_MegSword.jpg|left|thumb|And so Demolishor became the king of Britain.]]

Following the end of the [[Unicron Battles]], Megatron's death saw the alliance between the Decepticons and Autobots persist. With the establishment of [[Cybertron City|Cybertron Cities]] to mine [[energon]] on Earth, Demolishor was assigned to [[Ocean City]], where he guarded the city's main gate. Despite his frequent complaints and arguments with the humans and Autobots that lived in the city, Demolishor developed something of a friendship with his new allies and grew into his role. Of particular note was his bickering relationship with the inexperienced [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]], who didn't trust him for being a Decepticon, and whom he ridiculed for being a greenhorn in return.

In the year 2020, when the alien being [[Alpha Quintesson]] created the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]] to steal energon for him, he armed their leader [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] with a sword forged from Megatron's [[spark]]. During a battle at [[Plains City]], the sword was knocked aside and landed in the ground in front of Demolishor, but he could not bring himself to take hold of the weapon - the chance to return to his Decepticon nature and his new role amongst the Autobots left him conflicted, unsure of what he truly wanted in life.

Demolishor's dilemma continued when Megatron returned to life and laid seige to Ocean City. When Megatron appeared before him, Demolishor trained his guns on him, struggling to make a decision as Megatron continually taunted him. Eventually, Demolishor caved, and rejoined the Decepticons, departing with Megatron for his headquarters within the inactive corpse of [[Unicron]]. Despite having made this decision, however, Demolishor's experiences had left him a changed 'bot, and he would be heard to caution Megatron on the frailties of humans.

Not longer thereafter, Demolishor participated in a Decepticon attack on the Autobot ship the [[Miranda II]], which activated its personal [[energon grid]] defence system during the battle. Megatron was caught directly in the path of the grid, galvanizing Demolishor into making a final, fateful decision - he pushed his leader out of the way, and took the force of the grid's blast himself.

Demolishor's body was destroyed, but his spark was salvaged by Megatron, who implanted it within a new body. Megatron used his Unicron-derived powers to wipe Demolishor's memory, removing any trace of his conflicted nature and degenerating him into a simple-minded ape-like creature, easily excited and prone to grunting and jumping around. Demolishor retained his friendship with [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] - now Snowcat - whose level of intelligence he was now much closer to. There was occasional cuddling. In the end Demolishor, along with Snowcat, did not follow Megatron into sun.

====''Cybertron'' (toy bio)====
Somehow magically back in his original body (no word on whether his mentality recovered as well), Demolishor was left behind on Cybertron during the planetary evacuation, but has kept himself busy by fighting off the [[Scrapmetal drone|Scrapmetal]] Terrorcon horde. Demolishor has heard rumors that Megatron has once again returned from the dead, but hopes it is not true, as he enjoys not being pushed around by his commander for once.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:Armada_Demolishor_toy.jpg|right|thumb|160px|Best Decepticon yes-man toy, ever!]]
* '''Demolishor w/ Blackout''' (Deluxe, 2002/2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MD-03'''

: Demolishor transforms into an anti-aircraft missile tank of made-up model. In vehicle mode, he has extra [[Mini-Con]] compatability; a seat behind his turret so he can be piloted, plus the space between his treads features a clip/launcher mechanism for his partner [[Blackout_(Armada)|Blackout]] in vechicle mode. Attaching a Mini-Con to his left shoulder's [[Powerlinx]] plug in either mode pushes his twin-missile launcher mechanism forward, and allows his spring-loaded missiles to be fired.

: The Japanese release of Demolishor uses a different shade of tan, plus paints his face brown rather than black, among other smaller [[paint application]] changes.

* '''Ironhide w/ Search and Land Military Microns''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MS-03'''

: In Japan, Demolishor was available both separately, and in a multi-pack with the [[Land Military Mini-Con Team]].

*'''Demolishor''' (Happy Meal toy, 2003)

: An extremely simplified version of the original Demolishor toy, he features a "battle damage" pop-off arm. He can combine with the other Happy Meal Decepticons to form a super vehicle. Kinda.

*'''Demolishor''' (Built to Rule, 2003)

: One of the smaller ''[[Built to Rule]]'' sets, Demolishor's vehicle mode is still and anti-aircraft missile tank, but with only one firing rocket per side. He also features full-rubber working treads. He comes with a block-version of Blackout.

*'''Powerlinx Demolishor w/ Powerlinx Blackout''' (Deluxe, 2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MD-10'''

: A late-series [[redeco]] of the original Demolishor in red and off-white. Part of the final wave of Stateside ''Armada'' product, Demolishor's coloration was finalized after cardback photogrpahy was needed, so the card depicts a normal-colored Demolishor.

[[Image:DemolishorNA-ABTR.jpg|thumb|125px|left|WUBBA WUBBA WUBBA.]]

*'''Night Attack Demolishor''' (Built to Rule, 2003)

: Part of the final wave of ''Armada Built to Rule'', the first Demolishor set was redecoed into colors very close to that of the [[Night Attack Mini-Con Team]]. Again, he comes with a smiliarly-colored version of Blackout.

: Night Attack Demolishor did not ship very prominently, but eventually could be found at Toys "R" Us stores for the heavly-discounted price of $2 or so.
{{-}}
===Energon===
*'''Demolishor w/ Blackout''' (Deluxe, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''SD-02'''

: Originally released as part of the regular [[Takara]] ''Super Link'' series, the original Demolishor toy was given a new color scheme of lime green and purple. This version was later released in the US late in the ''Energon'' line as a Kay-Bee stores [[exclusive]] alongside the ''Super Link'' redeco of [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]].

[[Image:Energon_Demolishor_toy.jpg|right|thumb|165px|[[Trukk not munky|MUNKY IS TRUKK]] ]]
*'''Demolishor''' (Deluxe, 2004)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''SD-11'''

: Demolishor's new body transforms into a large "earth-mover" dump truck. His truck bed contains four spring-loaded missiles, plus four "false" non-firing missiles. His center torso-block can rotate forward to bring his launcher over his body for "Hyper Mode".
[[Image:Mcdemolishor.jpg|left|thumb|75px|Good luck finding me.]]
*'''Demolishor''' (Happy Meal, 2004)

: Available only in Latin America, one ''Energon'' McDonald's Happy Meal promo featured a simplified version of dump-truck Demolishor with a spring-loaded transformation.

===Cybertron===
*'''Demolishor''' (Deluxe-Class, 2006)
[[Image of Cybertron Demolisher badly needed before put him as just a toy]]
: A late addition to the line, the original tank mold was redecoed in a more military camo scheme. He does not come with his Mini-Con partner Blackout in this release; instead, he has a new-mold [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]-style [[Cyber Planet Key]], without a molded [[faction symbols|faction sigil]], plus a Mini-Con-style Powerlinx socket on the back so it could be used to activate his missile launcher. The key has a painted Decepticon sigil, a purple border, and the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "'''dt67'''" printed on the back.

==Trivia==
* Reportedly, both of the original Demolishor toy's shoulders were to contain spring-loaded missile launchers, but one was removed for cost considerations.

* Powerlinx Demolishor was originally intended to be [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]-inspired, according to [[Aaron Archer]], because Demolishor's gun-hands remind him of Sixshot (no, we don't know either). However, the red color scheme got decided on by [[We've]] and implemented first.

[[Image:ARgame-DemoFight.jpg|thumb|ARHH!!]]
* Demolishor was originally planned to be in the [[Transformers (Melbourne House)|''Armada'' Playstation 2 game]], as a long-running boss fight in the Antarctic. According to the original storyboards (unlocked in the game by finding the appropriate [[Data-Con]] on the [[Pacific Island]] base), he was the pilot of the crashed starship (instead of [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]), and the player would have first fought him inside the control room of the ship. [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] was to then fire on the ship when Demolishor was near-defeat, which would cause the ship to crash into the chasm below. The player would then have to chase Demolishor vertically through the downed ship and into an ice cavern, where he would try and drop stalactites on your head during your final confrontation. Why Demolishor was removed from the game is unknown, though the most likely explanation is time and budget concerns.

* ''Cybertron'' Demolishor's Key Code as printed on the key doesn't work properly, giving the information for the Deluxe-Class [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. However, the Code "'''D56B'''" gives Demolishor's information.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/Demolishor/demolishor.htm Demolishor at TFU.info]

[[Category: Armada characters]]
[[Category: Built to Rule]]
[[Category: Cybertron characters]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Energon characters]]
[[Category: Fast food exclusives]]
[[Category: KB Toys exclusives]]
[[Category: Unicron-related characters]]

Talk:AllSpark Power

2007-10-07T05:34:47Z

Sideways:

What's a "refresh line"? [[User:JW|JW]] 17:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Also, do we know yet if we should actually handle this as a separate "line"? The "Unicron Battles" were still part of the Armada line, the "Powerlinx Battles" were part of Energon, and "Primus Unelashed" was part of Cybertron. Why should it be different here?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:24, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
::I think it should be the same. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 20:06, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, we do have [[Unicron Battles]] and [[Powerlinx Battles]] pages up, but they're not especially keepable, especially since I only created them to pad the Battles category. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:08, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait! Where is EVAC in the movie and his picture?(Spearhead 05:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Evac (Movie)

2007-10-07T05:33:27Z

Sideways: New page: Can someone upload a photo of EVAC(Movie) in his vehicle mode?(~~~~)

Can someone upload a photo of EVAC(Movie) in his vehicle mode?(Spearhead 05:33, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5

2007-10-07T05:19:02Z

Sideways: New page: Blurr kepts talking and it was during a war. The war still continues betwwen Autobots and Decepticons. {{Stub}}

Blurr kepts talking and it was during a war. The war still continues betwwen Autobots and Decepticons.

{{Stub}}<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2007-10-07T04:51:48Z

Sideways: /* Sorry for the IP Jumper and Hacker */

OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== CSS change 2 ===
Adding the the requested [[Template:Merge]], the actual ''text'' of the template is subject tt change, but the CSS is finalized for the requested image.

Can you please replace everything in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */''' with the contents of the discussion page: [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]? (For the future, is it easier to do this in parts like this, or should I put the entire modified monobook css in the discussion page for a simple cut-and-paste?)

This also includes a general-purpose 'tt1_nowrap' class, since Steve-o was looking for a way to do that a month or so back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 3===
NN. Think this is the ''last'' of the requested templates. Could you please replace the parts between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

I'd put in links but- seriously, look up one paragraph. ;-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 4===
Replace between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

Spoiler template ''someone'' suggested aeons ago, tough less obtrusive than the others. (I really hope this is the last one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 5===
Hey Suki, could you add the following code to the end of the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|site Monobook file]]? The class is used by used the wikimedia-standard template [[Template:Reflist]].

<pre><nowiki>
/* small footnotes for the reflist template */

.references-small { font-size:92%; }
</nowiki></pre>
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:It is done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! Also, thanks for the revision of the Don Murphy article (before I blanked it.) Your note that was only one of 3 producers prompted a last minute change to my own version to reflect that. (I should have known, because I was just reading an article about those 3 squabbling to take sole credit for TF's success in the press.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.

:''Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked?'' You were blocked for intentionally, blatantly defying the consensus of a protracted discussion which you instigated and in which you were the only person advocating your position. It was extremely un-gentlemanly, and moderately pissy. Based on what you've written in the last couple days, I can accept that you were just "lashing out" and didn't really expect your comments to stay in the articles, but personally I still consider that to be disrespectful. You shouldn't make an edit which you know/expect will be reverted. I thought the 3-month duration on your block was excessive (and it's now been reduced), but I don't think being blocked in the first place, temporarily, is beyond reason for something like that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other users, including the admin who banned you in the first place, have already weighed in on ''why'' you were banned. I was not responsible for doing it, so frankly, anything further I have to say on the subject would just be repeating the same. I think it's perfectly clear as it is.

I was going to post something about how I'd stick up for you if you actually gave me good reason to, but as it is, the terms of your ban have been changed to something shorter. As it is, you're back in a week. If I were you, I'd sit back and ask myself if it's ''really'' worth fighting over that.

So there's your second chance. If you come back in a week and respect what your fellow editors have told you not to do, you'll be fine. And if there really ''is'' something unfair, I'll listen and advocate for you. But I would keep in mind that you're on thin ice as it is, and playing this victim crap isn't going to help you out much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:He was whiny about it too. It's not like his approach was "seriously guys, this seems excessive and can I talk about it and demonstrate that your impression of my maturity was incorrect," it was really more "Noo! this is so ''unfair''! Why me? You all suck and I shouldn't be held accountable for my actions b'cause I knew someone else was going to clean up my slop!"
:It's probably ''fortunate'' that the original penalty was (accidentally?) excessive-- because opening the floor for a reassessment of penalties based on conduct you do not dispute and then acting like a ''whiny bitch'' practically '''begs''' for an admin to make it ''longer.''
:<small>(Why yes, i was arguing in his favor earlier! I like to cause trouble like that.)</small> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, great: so now I'm a "''whiny bitch''" who's playing "''victim crap''", apparently.

::Charming! My goodness me, you people really are a hostile bunch aren't you?

::So, let me get this straight; [[User:FFN|FFN]] can rag on my ass every other week simply because he disagrees with me, but If I DARE to protest that I have been unreasonably treated over a sarcastic misdemeanor, then I'm a goddamn deviant leper, right? Unbelieveable...

::Okay, YES, I did a bad thing. I admit it was uncalled for, defying the consensus of, oh, about five people? Given the wide, nay EXTENSIVE use of sarcasm and fecetious comments all over this wiki I honestly didn't think it would be such a damn big deal. But okay, whatever. It was wrong, fair enough. MY BAD. All I have done since is POLITELY protest my treatment over this matter and all I've got in return is mockery, name-calling and outright hostility. I mean, seriously...! Talk about disproportionate reactions at every turn.

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::Sir, I would hardly call your behavior at this point "polite". I thought Suki's comment was a little much at this point because the matter had been resolved. I asked her to say something because you'd asked, but I didn't know what all she had to say.

:::Regardless, though, please cease the hostilities? Play the better man and ignore what may be said to you at this point. In only a week you'll be able to edit and work again, and then you can prove your worth that way. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, so now I'M the one being hostile? How do you figure? Have I called anyone names like "whiny bitch"? No, that would be YOU guys. Have I accused other people of being "pissy" and "throwing feces"? Nup, that'd be you lot too.

::::But of course, if I have the sheer audacity to stand up for myself, well that just can't possibly be polite, I take it...

::::What a terrible, terrible person I must be. Next time I'll know to just shut up and take the abuse gratefully, since that's obviously all you folks will tolerate. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::"[[Wikipedia:Martyr complex|Mew mew mew mew mew mew mew!]]"
::::: '''Not once''' have you apologized for or even acknowledged that you should be held culpable for defacing an article. You remand restitution while sneering that you should not have been punished in the first place. You throw a '''tantrum''' when someone, such as myself, tells you "Gee, while it may be true your punishment was excessive, you're acting like a whiny brat which makes me have no sympathy for you." I'm not calling for you to be re-banned- I'm pointing out a defect in your behavior I '''really''' wish you would fix in the future.
::::: Are you sure you don't want to change your user name to PassiveAgressivePrime?
::::: I don't really care what your original offense was, because you're being a colossal asshole right here, right now. ''It's a bad idea to go around pissing people off while appealing a punishment''. Just- in general. I started out basically on your side and you have none-too-gradually dis-endeared yourself of me.
::::: Please amend your stricken holier-than-thou attitude in the future. It's '''really''' annoying, and it's not at all conducive to an actual discussion of what you did or didn't do and what punishment is appropriate. It makes me want to shut you up by squashing you.
::::: And '''I'm''' the unhealthily detached one. I can't ''imagine'' what it makes someone who thinks with his woman-parts like Walky want to do. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how I'm apparently the "colossal asshole" when it's you guys who are actually doing all the insult-hurling and name-calling. I haven't made one personal comment in this whole affair. Funny, that...

Oh, and for ther record, I HAVE apologised. More than once, actually. Get your facts straight, please.

But "PassiveAgressivePrime" is GOLD, by the way. I'd definitely declare that a genius call if it weren't such a laughable assertion.

Anyway, I've got much better things to do that take this abuse any longer. Think what you will.

Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:hahaha i just noticed this. GOODBYE TO ALL MY WIKI FRIENDS FOREVER!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== 3d Website ==

I remembered that you showed an interest in the Blackthorne scans and were disappointed.
Hope this is more your alley.
http://www.3dtransformers.com/ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I've seen that, actually. Thanks, though, it IS pretty neat. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 13:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
I'm not arguing against removing the tag from G1 Bumblebee's page, but is there some hard-and-fast rule about what actually makes an article a stub? Feels silly asking this, and Wikipedia's article on the subject supports the "common sense" method, but I'm nothing if not stupidly cautious. I asked Walky once and he said "Empty headings = stub!", which I took to mean as "irregardless of the article length and other content".
Then again, maybe he gave such a short answer because it's a ridiculous question. But here I am asking anyway. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think that's a pretty good standard- if portions of the article are still stubbed in without even a overall summary, I think it qualifies as a stub. :(I agree with you that an article stops begin a stub '''before'' it is exhaustively complete.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's an article that's just been started and has a long way to go before completion. That's basically the definition; nothing further has been discussed or agreed on, and I don't think we NEED anything more than that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::For clarification, I believe the article in question at the time was very much as Bumblebee's is now. It's more-or-less complete, with an introduction and many sections filled in with detail, but it also had a noteworthy number of sections that were just headers with no content.
::I ought to have been more clear with Walky way back when, I suppose. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess this is a discussion we DO need to have, then.
:::Wikipedia generally uses seperate stub templates for ''sections'' which aren't complete. I don't know if that's best for us, but I generally envision the stub category as being something that someone can look through for articles where ''anything'' can be added to them to be helpful; unlike Bumblebee, which while still not complete, is far from being in that state. If we really need something to indicate that the ''whole article'' isn't complete, maybe some distinction would be helpful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I also want to add that I don't really feel that strongly on the matter. But I guess we probably should reach some sort of conclusion. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think another separate tag would be best. "Stub", as shown, could lead to more confusion down the road, but not tagging the articles I think could lead to people scanning them and not noticing empty sections which they would otherwise be able to fill in. This certainly isn't a large concern, however...
:::::This came up because of the apparent selection of Bumblebee as a featured article. Do we have some way of noting that, to spur work on it ensuring it's completed "in time"? I imagine if it's not done by July it will just be pushed back until later, but I don't see a problem in encouraging work on the Wiki. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==
*Hello Brits this is Troyb a admin and buericrate of your new sister or whatever wiki, its called transfanon and we need you to place the news on the front page so that we can get more users, thank you. Also I'll give you a link tommorow.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 22:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, thank you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

*O.k. why not (Sigh...)[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 00:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because... your fanon wiki appears to have absolutely nothing to do with actual Transformers. If it was fanon in the sense of a bunch of speculation or something, trying to fill in gaps or retcon errors... I could see linking to it someplace, as that might be useful to fans who are looking for information. But it appears to be basically a wiki for your personal fanfic or something. We don't just link to random fanfics, so why would we link to that wiki? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

*Fine fine fine. But it seems you hate fanon. So '''fanon hater''' I shall leave.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 21:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==Main page links==
Hi Suki Brits. I hope you don't mind, but I added redirects to the TV and Toys pages that you'd previously deleted since these were linked from the main page and might be useful for people to find articles on those topics. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73 ==

Could you click on the article link on [[Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73]] and complete the edit that it pops up with so we can get rid of the red link? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It would be a red link even if she did. We've broken fundamental laws of wiki reality, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::tested it on my talk page, and it does seem to break Wikiality. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::However it's still a redlink, in spite of your talk page undeniably existing. It's uncharted territory. If it gets any weirder it'll require Furmanisms to describe it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::The link is hovering there, on the page, like a vast predatory bird... -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That, or... talking like William... Shatner. --...[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Suki did it. It's ''over''. FINISHED.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For me, personally... IT NEVER ENDS! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Let me give it the worst case of INDIGESTION it's ever had! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:God, I'm choking on all the [[Furmanism]] here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
But if Walky can survive the tide of Furmanisms CAN WE DO LESS?--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Evil Decepti-Nazi Blocker ==

Why the fuck you had to do the Blocking? Are you crazy? Now Nobody send messages to me. If I find you my F-35 Lightning II will fucking get you. We will forgive you if you unblock everything otherwise, the Tanks Transform and roll out.
:''"...so long as they are able to rail at the wind on their own talk page, the troublemaker's ire has a natural and nondestructive outlet. Denied that outlet, they will seek to learn how to evade bans, and armed with '''that''' knowledge their vengeance is unbound to range as it sees fit."'' -[[User:75.73.88.32|75.73.88.32]] 23:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Except he was IP-bouncing already ''before any bans or locks were enacted''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to hump you for saying that! My tanks will come and get you.

::Okay, that made me laugh for like five minutes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck... --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 00:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Any more blocks will result more fucking jets to get you.

Suki, You have such a fat tits that when you go walk down the street people go saying "AW FUCK THATS A FUCKING FAT TITS!"

Fuck You!

Thank you Suki for making us laugh about love... again.--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

==Sorry for the IP Jumper and Hacker==
Sorry for my Brother you blocked due to his obsession of war units. He was arrested for hacking into my computer and murdering to many US troopers so don't worry of him. Hey who changed my name to Spearhead? My brother the IP Jumper is executed yesterday for hacking and lets all including you celebrate a party for the execution of the hacker. I promise to be nicer than that other guy as long as I visit.(Spearhead 04:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Chiasaur11

2007-10-07T04:49:02Z

Sideways: Sorry for the IP Jumper, Hacker and Brother of mine

...are you ''actually'' copying the entire code out of <nowiki>{{caption bastard}}</nowiki>, or are you using the substitution parser? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oops.
Copied whole code. --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Sorry for the IP Jumper, Hacker and Brother of mine ==

Sorry for my Brother you blocked due to his obsession of war units. He was arrested for hacking into my computer and murdering to many US troopers don't worry of him. Hey who changed my name to Spearhead? My brother the IP Jumper is executed yesterday for hacking and lets all including you celebrate a party for the execution of the hacker. I promise to be nicer than that other guy as long as I visit.(Spearhead 04:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Suki Brits

2007-10-07T04:44:41Z

Sideways: /* Evil Decepti-Nazi Blocker */

OH MY GOD YOU'RE REALLY NEALE DAVIDSON!!!! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper X]] 05:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

==Pat Lee==
But it IS factual! That's what he wrote on his webpage! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:Holy friggin' crazy. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:31, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==You are now an Admin==

Hi Suki Brits, I've made you and ItsWalky admins for this wiki. I'm glad you can help :) Let me know if there is anything you need help with or can't do. Please have a look at [[Wikicities:Help:Administrators' how-to guide]] for the basics, and let me know if you want more admins added - two should start you off, but you may want more in time. Thanks again -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 12:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

...so 'sexy piece of autobot ass' goes, but 'masteurjailbate' stays? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, why not. The captions aren't supposed to be serious, and mostly, I can't think of anything to put in there instead. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 06:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::The image caption is also phrased in a way to not sound like it's endorsing pedophilia. Bonus points for that. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

== Ep Template comments ==

Hi. Thanks for your feedback. The bright colors had fit in better with the design of my personal TF website, which already had more color; thus it didn't stand out as much. But here I can see your point, as the style of this wiki is pretty plain to begin with, such bright colors do stand out, and I can sort of see how they might be distracting. I like the idea of having some color in the table to help as an extra visual identifier of the groups. I have therefore muted the colors. Please check it out and let me know if you find it less distracting now. [[User:Telet093|Telet093]] 18:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

== Re: "vandalism" ==

I'm very sorry you consider that editing an entry to reflect a neutral point of view is considered to be vandalism.

My experience with Wikis so far has been that they are information resources, and while I don't object to humour being used in an entry, there is a certain amount of self-indulgent college-humour that diminishes potential of the resource.

That said, I respect that I am a newcomer to the community, and will do my best to insert a fart joke into a suitable entry at the first opportunity, in order to gain editorial approval. :)

:Thanks for the reply. I think what concerned me with the [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] article is that the caption that was there was expressing an opinion, *and* wasn't particularly funny. That being the case, I figured boring but accurate beat lame and indulgent, though it seems we differ on this.

:Like I say, I have no problem with things that are actually *funny*, but why leave something like [[Overhaul (G1)|this]] intact? It's restating something that's stated far better further down the page, and isn't actually funny, and has terrible grammar. When I changed it to something more sensible, it got reverted. Another example [[Abdul Fakkadi|here]] - this caption could be interpreted as a homosexual slur. To my mind, things like this *do* interfere with the quality of the articles. It looks amateurish, and this reflects on how worthwhile the wiki is as a whole.

::How could "Kneel before my epaulettes" '''possibly''' be taken as a homosexual slur? He's a self-important guy in a silly suit. The 'kneel' part is clearly imperious, not sexual. And why would kneeling inply ''homo''sexulity anyway? Can't girls kneel before the socialist might of Abdul Fakkadi? And even if it was- how is Abdul Fakkadi asking someone to serve him sexually a slur? Do you think any any homosexual act is inherntly degrading, and thus a slur?
::I mean, christ, get it right. Abdul Fakkadi is offensive to muslims, not gays.

::Look, here si what we concluded. "The main wikipedia has Transformers articles. If you can't figure out that orange guy is Grapple without a caption saying 'a picture of Grapple,' you belong there, not here. Teletraan 1 inherently assumes that you already have a decent-enough familiarity with Transformers to keep up with the way the articles are written. It's FOR FANS." And that means it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:50, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

:::The "homosexual slur" comment was regarding [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Abdul_Fakkadi&oldid=21917 this caption]. Which was more making fun of people who WOULD make that joke, but since the joke had to be made in the process, it's easy to misinterpret. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::::Ha! I mean... ha.
::::Anyway, he's allowed to say that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

::True, it doesn't have to be dry, informative and joyless. But neither does it have to be one huge puerile fanboy in-joke. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 01:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

:I know that this stuff relating to use of humour is kind of spelled out in "Tone and Voice", but are we just giving licence to subjective standards of humour that detract from the quality of the information overall? How much is too much? Is it only you and ItsWalky who decide? Is this the best place to discuss this? I really want to make a useful contribution to this wiki, and I'm happy to be advised on how to do that, but I need to feel that differences of interpretation and presentation are going to be respected, which is really about the only way that wikis can work. --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 14:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::"He blowed up real good", I believe, is perfectly fine to have in the bio of a hi-then-die character, even if it restates it in the fiction section. Of course, that's largely my history in newspaper journalism talking, where all the important information is included in the first paragraph and then everything is elaborated in further paragraphs. This way, someone can get an idea of the most important attributes of the character without having to read the entire page. With this in mind, it's perfectly fine to mention that the character only shows up to die in his profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

== Question regarding a broad topic ==
Hi there,

I was wondering if, as an admin, you could please advise me on something? How can I go about fielding a question/suggestion for general discussion in a more systemic way than just on individual talk pages? It's just that I have a differing perspective on the way that this wikia designates certain continuity issues, and it's something that effects many entries. Naturally I don't want to go around unilaterally changing things to reflect my point of view, but I can't see any more general forum to discuss this. On Wookieepedia, the Star Wars wiki, they have a page they call the Senate Hall where people can discuss general topics concerning the site. Is there any way we could do something similar here? Failing that, how would you advise me to go about raising my issues for borader discussion?

To just give you an idea of what I'm talking about: I approve of the way that the site views the various different continuity families as taking place in alternative realities (obviously), however, I find the consistant use of phrasing which treats the Optimus Prime (and Megatron) character in different continuities as wholly different people poblematic. I view Optimus Prime in G1, RID and the Unicron Trilogy (for example) as being alternate reality versions of the same character, rather than wholly different characters with the same name and very similar personalities, which seems to be the way this site treats them. Although there is some argument to be made that this is the case in Japan where Convoy, Fire Convoy and Galaxy Convoy are not neccessarily alts of the same person (especially given the proliferation of Prime-lookalike convoys in the BWII & BWNeo), I think that American fictions consistently portray them as being different versions of the same individual, ala the common device of different versions of the same person in alternate universes as used in sundry sci-fi. Now granted most other instances of name-reuse (particularly in the Unicron Trilogy) give no indication of implying that, say, Armada Cyclonus is in any way and alternate version of G1 Cyclonus, but I think that with Prime and Megs this is clearly different.

On a similar note, I disagree with the inclusion of IDW's "neo-G1" continuity being included in the pages relating to other G1 characters. Although clearly very closely based on G1, the IDWverse is extremely different from any prior incarnation of G1, and is certainly far more different from any prior version than any of the orginal G1 fictions (or even Dreamwave for that matter) differed from each other, if you follow my drift. The entire war/premise/scenario is radically different and most characters have different altmodes and/or transformation schemes. If the forthcoming live-action movie is being considered adequately different from G1 to be considered outside of the G1 continuity family, then I would argue that the IDWverse should be as well.

...Anyway, that gives you an idea of what I want to discuss. ;-) Can you please advise me how I could most effectively air these issues to the wider usership?

Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
===Central Discussion Area===
:Thanks for that to you and Steve-o. We've got a small trickle of discussion on my topic happening over there now. I invite you to join in. Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

==Blackarachnia 'vandalism'==
ENOUGH with the accusations of vandalism, alright? I'm a member of Ben Yee's Transformers board, and there was a discussion on BA's telekinesis in relation to her mind link with Tarantulas. Pretty much everyone on there agreed that the theory is viable (the thread has subsequently been deleted for a while, but I'm sure I can find it in the archives). I'm honestly shocked at how staunchly you guys are REFUSING to even consider it; all the evidence is right there clear as crystal in the cartoon. BA and Tarantulas shared a mind link with each other that lasted four episodes. The mind link went both ways and was forced on BA until it was terminated equally as forcefully in Tangled Web. BA retained, at the very least, a great deal of Tarantulas' memories after the link was severed. The link was so powerful, that Tarantulas felt the pain BA experienced from energon radiation when she threatened suicide, and would've destroyed them both through the link had she made good on her threat. The link was confirmed in dialogue to be psychic in nature, which is why Megatron didn't detect any communications transmissions when they used the link to communicate. And, miraculously, after she became TM2, BA gained telekinesis. Oh, and at ''no point'' is it stated that the TM2 process granted a Transformer new abilities besides enhancing their existing powers and granting them spark-powered healing abilities. Hence, BA's telekinesis must've come from ''somewhere'', and her former mind link with Tarantulas makes the most sense. If you want to talk about 'wild rumors', there's a thread on Ben Yee's boards on ''how'' Tarantulas initiated the link, with the most common theory that he 'downloaded' himself into her mind, which coincidentally further establishes the "BA's telekinesis was her mind link with Tarantulas upgraded" theory.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

* right, and all of the other theories and speculation remaining on the other wiki pages on this site are more substantiated. Please. Not only are many of them far fetched, but they don't even have one reference of evidence to support them. Watch Beast Wars again, and it's clear that this theory is implied in-show, if not stated directly. Seriously, I'm really starting to wonder if you guys even watch the shows, considering how little you seem to know about them.[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 23:11, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== CSS change ==

Hello Suiki, I'm requesting a change to the sitewide CSS file. I've tested these changes locally and everything seems to be working fine. Additionally- these changes are fully namespaced (which is to say they cannot cause accidental problems with other layout elements.)

Please edit the page at [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]], and replace everything after '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' with the full contents of the [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css|CSS talk page]].

This update consists of the new styles for the tobedeleted template (now merged with the old markup for the cleanup template) as well as some Wikimedia-standard table styles.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you. I'll work on the actual template text to put it more in line with your wishes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

=== CSS change 2 ===
Adding the the requested [[Template:Merge]], the actual ''text'' of the template is subject tt change, but the CSS is finalized for the requested image.

Can you please replace everything in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''/* wikitable/prettytable class for skinning normal tables */''' with the contents of the discussion page: [[MediaWiki_talk:Monobook.css]]? (For the future, is it easier to do this in parts like this, or should I put the entire modified monobook css in the discussion page for a simple cut-and-paste?)

This also includes a general-purpose 'tt1_nowrap' class, since Steve-o was looking for a way to do that a month or so back. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 3===
NN. Think this is the ''last'' of the requested templates. Could you please replace the parts between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

I'd put in links but- seriously, look up one paragraph. ;-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done! --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:54, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 4===
Replace between '''/* Teletran-1 specicic bits */''' and '''.tt1_nowrap''' with the contents of the discussion page?

Spoiler template ''someone'' suggested aeons ago, tough less obtrusive than the others. (I really hope this is the last one.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:22, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

===CSS change 5===
Hey Suki, could you add the following code to the end of the [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css|site Monobook file]]? The class is used by used the wikimedia-standard template [[Template:Reflist]].

<pre><nowiki>
/* small footnotes for the reflist template */

.references-small { font-size:92%; }
</nowiki></pre>
-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:It is done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 02:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Thank you! Also, thanks for the revision of the Don Murphy article (before I blanked it.) Your note that was only one of 3 producers prompted a last minute change to my own version to reflect that. (I should have known, because I was just reading an article about those 3 squabbling to take sole credit for TF's success in the press.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Help please! ==
Hello there,
I'm hoping you can help me out, please. For some reason which is quite beyond my
understanding, It'sWalky has blocked me from Teletraan 1 (Re: Block ID is #49). The stated reason is "vandalism", which is patently absurd. Although I have strived to be polite at
all times, he has made more thanone hostile comments towards me over recent months
and I must protest that this current block is thoroughly unreasonable.
If the action which he is referring to as so-called "vandalism" is the incident
I THINK he means, then I respecfully suggest that he is grossly overstepping his
authority and quite possibly just has something against me personally, although
heaven knows why...

All I have done was post a very SHORT, admittedly somewhat gratuitous comment on
TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus of
a small number of users in a Community Portal discussion) of Teletraan 1's odd
categorisation of the IDW comic continuity as part of the larger G1 continuity
while contradictorily excluding the new G1-inspired film. My felt that they
should either both be included under the G1 continuity umberella, or neither.

But regardless, I'm not here to argue my point; the comments were removed by
another user and I'm happy to leave it there, so as far as I'm concerned that
should have been the end of it. My remarks certainly were not in ANY way
obscene, abusive, or in offensive by any possible standard. How this can be
considered "vandalism" is very mysterious to me. Perhaps if we were on Wikipedia
or Wookieepedia and dealing with their very strict rules about personal opinion,
but this site is rife with sarcastic, POV, wry and humorous content. Jam-packed
full, actually. I mean, for goodness sake; if anyone's concerned about
potentially ojectionable material, then I'd hate to be a Japanese person reading
this wiki given all the jibes made at their expense. One of the things I've come
to LOVE about this wiki is its sense of humour and creative, organic style. To
call my minor snarkiness "vandalism" seems totally at odds with the mood of
Teletraan 1, in my honest opinion.

I reiterate that I feel that this block is thoroughly unreasonable and I believe
is some kind of gross overraction and/or personal grudge on the part of
It'sWalky, although I can't for the life of me understand how I could have
managed to provoke such apparent emnity.

Can you please help me out?

Thanks,
[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:"All I have done is post a... gratuitous comment on TWO Movie-related pages regarding my opinion (which went against a consensus... of users in a Community Portal discussion)." I think that pretty much covers it. There was a consensus. You blatantly defied the consensus on the grounds that you disagreed with the ruling. That's vandalism. End of story. Right? [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 00:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
::There was consensus to leave it be. But not consensus on the issue itself. I think the movie belongs in the Generation 1 continuity family. IIRC so does Steve-o, and he's the most logical guy on the wiki. However- there's really not enough to say for sure one way or the other.
::Now, I think as sequels and more tie-ins pileup, the movieverse will become more and more G1-like to the point the argument will resolve itself in our favor. Less a consensus than ''dente'', "hold waiting further evidence."
::Of course, PacifistPrime wasn't around last time we went five rounds on the issue, so the subtlties of the 'both sides give up without having convinced the other' situation may have escaped him.
::That said Paci, it's bad form to go running to the other site admin before Walky even has a chance to reply. You don't even knwo what Walky banned you for, how is Suki supposed to pass judgement on whether or nto to override his fellow admin? Wait until Walky replies to clarify his reasoning, ''then'' disagree with him.
::It's polite to assume Walky's acting from a reasoned standpoint at least until you can ''prove'' it's his uterus making him crazy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:34, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::With all due respect, Derik, I DID wait a few days for Walky to reply, and he's just ignored my email. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::Mistake #1. Derik does not have due respect. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I've reposted the content of the email on his talk page in the hopes that will get a response, but it hasn't so far. Given that I've now been blocked for something on the order of a week or possibly more, I think it's hardly unreasonable for me to take this up with another admin, surely? And if you want to talk about what's "polite", I think it would hardly have been too much to ask for Walky to have at least put some kind of short note on my talk page explaining his overzealous block, don't you think?

:::Oh, and Awa, are you seriously telling me that "defying" the consensus of a small group of users with two SMALL comments (that I obviously knew would just get deleted straight away anyway) constitutes "vandalism"? Worthy of getting blocked over? For real?
:::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::::I received no such email from you. And yell all you want on the talk pages. That's what they're for. Evidence may eventually shift your way! But, in the meantime, dumping your vitrolic grievances on the articles themselves is unacceptable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Paci... Paci... Paci... I gave you a perfectly good excuse of not having been part of the discussion last time and misunderstanding the consensus to hide behind... and you throw it all away.
:::::And for the rest- don't post something in the main article you know is going to be deleted <strike>without logging out first</strike>, post something that encourages your opponents, however grudgingly, to include that perspective in the article even if they rewrite your words. That's part of carrying on a conversation, creating truth through consensus. Anything else... is just throwing feces.
:::::Also, if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on [http://www.shortpacked.com/ his blog], not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
...! I'm baffled.

So now I'm being accused of "vitriolic grievances", "throwing feces" and "yelling".

What utter rubbish.

I have been polite at every turn, and the very WORST I can reasonably be accused of is sarcasm (in one isolated indicent, on the aforementioned two comments on movie pages, ONLY), something which hardly seems a foreign concept to this wiki.

Walky, I sent you an email the only way I knew how: I used the "email this user" button and clicked send. I got the sender's carbon copy just fine, so I can't explain why you didn't recieve it too. If I used the system incorrectly then I apologise, but I had no reason to believe that it hadn't worked. Oh, and Derik, if your comment "if you ''really'' want to get Walky's attention, hit him on his blog, not via e-mail. He allows anonymous posting" is intentded to be some kind of oblique suggestion that I have an interest in harassing Walky; pleeease! I have much better things to do with my time, for goodness sakes. And as I've explained to Walky in the past; I have zero interest whatsoever in blogs.

I am still amazed that any of this is considered reasonable grounds to actually BLOCK me. Do you guys have a "0.5 Strikes & yer out!" policy or something? Considering all the casual rudeness that goes around on the talk pages here, I find it hard to believe that my treatment reflects standard policy. Or do you treat everyone like this?

Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked? And its that it? As far as I can tell my block is permanent. Is this so?

I am NOT a troublemaker, even though you seem to have already tried and convicted me as such. All I want to do is be a part of this wiki, make small contributions, start the occasional article and have polite, rational discussions. Am I really to be banned for using a little sarcasm...?

[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

P.S. Given that I addressed all of this to SukiBrits in the first place, I'd really appreciate it if Suki would weigh in at some point too, please. I'd really like to resolve this tiresome matter ASAP.

:''Could someone PLEASE do me the simple courtesy of giving me a reasonable explanation why I deserve to be blocked?'' You were blocked for intentionally, blatantly defying the consensus of a protracted discussion which you instigated and in which you were the only person advocating your position. It was extremely un-gentlemanly, and moderately pissy. Based on what you've written in the last couple days, I can accept that you were just "lashing out" and didn't really expect your comments to stay in the articles, but personally I still consider that to be disrespectful. You shouldn't make an edit which you know/expect will be reverted. I thought the 3-month duration on your block was excessive (and it's now been reduced), but I don't think being blocked in the first place, temporarily, is beyond reason for something like that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:43, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Other users, including the admin who banned you in the first place, have already weighed in on ''why'' you were banned. I was not responsible for doing it, so frankly, anything further I have to say on the subject would just be repeating the same. I think it's perfectly clear as it is.

I was going to post something about how I'd stick up for you if you actually gave me good reason to, but as it is, the terms of your ban have been changed to something shorter. As it is, you're back in a week. If I were you, I'd sit back and ask myself if it's ''really'' worth fighting over that.

So there's your second chance. If you come back in a week and respect what your fellow editors have told you not to do, you'll be fine. And if there really ''is'' something unfair, I'll listen and advocate for you. But I would keep in mind that you're on thin ice as it is, and playing this victim crap isn't going to help you out much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

:He was whiny about it too. It's not like his approach was "seriously guys, this seems excessive and can I talk about it and demonstrate that your impression of my maturity was incorrect," it was really more "Noo! this is so ''unfair''! Why me? You all suck and I shouldn't be held accountable for my actions b'cause I knew someone else was going to clean up my slop!"
:It's probably ''fortunate'' that the original penalty was (accidentally?) excessive-- because opening the floor for a reassessment of penalties based on conduct you do not dispute and then acting like a ''whiny bitch'' practically '''begs''' for an admin to make it ''longer.''
:<small>(Why yes, i was arguing in his favor earlier! I like to cause trouble like that.)</small> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, great: so now I'm a "''whiny bitch''" who's playing "''victim crap''", apparently.

::Charming! My goodness me, you people really are a hostile bunch aren't you?

::So, let me get this straight; [[User:FFN|FFN]] can rag on my ass every other week simply because he disagrees with me, but If I DARE to protest that I have been unreasonably treated over a sarcastic misdemeanor, then I'm a goddamn deviant leper, right? Unbelieveable...

::Okay, YES, I did a bad thing. I admit it was uncalled for, defying the consensus of, oh, about five people? Given the wide, nay EXTENSIVE use of sarcasm and fecetious comments all over this wiki I honestly didn't think it would be such a damn big deal. But okay, whatever. It was wrong, fair enough. MY BAD. All I have done since is POLITELY protest my treatment over this matter and all I've got in return is mockery, name-calling and outright hostility. I mean, seriously...! Talk about disproportionate reactions at every turn.

::[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::Sir, I would hardly call your behavior at this point "polite". I thought Suki's comment was a little much at this point because the matter had been resolved. I asked her to say something because you'd asked, but I didn't know what all she had to say.

:::Regardless, though, please cease the hostilities? Play the better man and ignore what may be said to you at this point. In only a week you'll be able to edit and work again, and then you can prove your worth that way. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 02:37, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, so now I'M the one being hostile? How do you figure? Have I called anyone names like "whiny bitch"? No, that would be YOU guys. Have I accused other people of being "pissy" and "throwing feces"? Nup, that'd be you lot too.

::::But of course, if I have the sheer audacity to stand up for myself, well that just can't possibly be polite, I take it...

::::What a terrible, terrible person I must be. Next time I'll know to just shut up and take the abuse gratefully, since that's obviously all you folks will tolerate. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::"[[Wikipedia:Martyr complex|Mew mew mew mew mew mew mew!]]"
::::: '''Not once''' have you apologized for or even acknowledged that you should be held culpable for defacing an article. You remand restitution while sneering that you should not have been punished in the first place. You throw a '''tantrum''' when someone, such as myself, tells you "Gee, while it may be true your punishment was excessive, you're acting like a whiny brat which makes me have no sympathy for you." I'm not calling for you to be re-banned- I'm pointing out a defect in your behavior I '''really''' wish you would fix in the future.
::::: Are you sure you don't want to change your user name to PassiveAgressivePrime?
::::: I don't really care what your original offense was, because you're being a colossal asshole right here, right now. ''It's a bad idea to go around pissing people off while appealing a punishment''. Just- in general. I started out basically on your side and you have none-too-gradually dis-endeared yourself of me.
::::: Please amend your stricken holier-than-thou attitude in the future. It's '''really''' annoying, and it's not at all conducive to an actual discussion of what you did or didn't do and what punishment is appropriate. It makes me want to shut you up by squashing you.
::::: And '''I'm''' the unhealthily detached one. I can't ''imagine'' what it makes someone who thinks with his woman-parts like Walky want to do. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
It's interesting how I'm apparently the "colossal asshole" when it's you guys who are actually doing all the insult-hurling and name-calling. I haven't made one personal comment in this whole affair. Funny, that...

Oh, and for ther record, I HAVE apologised. More than once, actually. Get your facts straight, please.

But "PassiveAgressivePrime" is GOLD, by the way. I'd definitely declare that a genius call if it weren't such a laughable assertion.

Anyway, I've got much better things to do that take this abuse any longer. Think what you will.

Later, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:hahaha i just noticed this. GOODBYE TO ALL MY WIKI FRIENDS FOREVER!!! [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== 3d Website ==

I remembered that you showed an interest in the Blackthorne scans and were disappointed.
Hope this is more your alley.
http://www.3dtransformers.com/ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I've seen that, actually. Thanks, though, it IS pretty neat. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 13:35, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
I'm not arguing against removing the tag from G1 Bumblebee's page, but is there some hard-and-fast rule about what actually makes an article a stub? Feels silly asking this, and Wikipedia's article on the subject supports the "common sense" method, but I'm nothing if not stupidly cautious. I asked Walky once and he said "Empty headings = stub!", which I took to mean as "irregardless of the article length and other content".
Then again, maybe he gave such a short answer because it's a ridiculous question. But here I am asking anyway. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:38, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think that's a pretty good standard- if portions of the article are still stubbed in without even a overall summary, I think it qualifies as a stub. :(I agree with you that an article stops begin a stub '''before'' it is exhaustively complete.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:It's an article that's just been started and has a long way to go before completion. That's basically the definition; nothing further has been discussed or agreed on, and I don't think we NEED anything more than that. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::For clarification, I believe the article in question at the time was very much as Bumblebee's is now. It's more-or-less complete, with an introduction and many sections filled in with detail, but it also had a noteworthy number of sections that were just headers with no content.
::I ought to have been more clear with Walky way back when, I suppose. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I guess this is a discussion we DO need to have, then.
:::Wikipedia generally uses seperate stub templates for ''sections'' which aren't complete. I don't know if that's best for us, but I generally envision the stub category as being something that someone can look through for articles where ''anything'' can be added to them to be helpful; unlike Bumblebee, which while still not complete, is far from being in that state. If we really need something to indicate that the ''whole article'' isn't complete, maybe some distinction would be helpful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 23:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I also want to add that I don't really feel that strongly on the matter. But I guess we probably should reach some sort of conclusion. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 00:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think another separate tag would be best. "Stub", as shown, could lead to more confusion down the road, but not tagging the articles I think could lead to people scanning them and not noticing empty sections which they would otherwise be able to fill in. This certainly isn't a large concern, however...
:::::This came up because of the apparent selection of Bumblebee as a featured article. Do we have some way of noting that, to spur work on it ensuring it's completed "in time"? I imagine if it's not done by July it will just be pushed back until later, but I don't see a problem in encouraging work on the Wiki. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 00:06, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hello ==
*Hello Brits this is Troyb a admin and buericrate of your new sister or whatever wiki, its called transfanon and we need you to place the news on the front page so that we can get more users, thank you. Also I'll give you a link tommorow.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 22:59, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, thank you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

*O.k. why not (Sigh...)[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 00:45, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because... your fanon wiki appears to have absolutely nothing to do with actual Transformers. If it was fanon in the sense of a bunch of speculation or something, trying to fill in gaps or retcon errors... I could see linking to it someplace, as that might be useful to fans who are looking for information. But it appears to be basically a wiki for your personal fanfic or something. We don't just link to random fanfics, so why would we link to that wiki? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:26, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

*Fine fine fine. But it seems you hate fanon. So '''fanon hater''' I shall leave.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]]<sup>[[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]]</sup>[[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 21:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

==Main page links==
Hi Suki Brits. I hope you don't mind, but I added redirects to the TV and Toys pages that you'd previously deleted since these were linked from the main page and might be useful for people to find articles on those topics. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 00:03, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73 ==

Could you click on the article link on [[Talk:User talk:69.234.144.73]] and complete the edit that it pops up with so we can get rid of the red link? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:03, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It would be a red link even if she did. We've broken fundamental laws of wiki reality, man.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::tested it on my talk page, and it does seem to break Wikiality. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::However it's still a redlink, in spite of your talk page undeniably existing. It's uncharted territory. If it gets any weirder it'll require Furmanisms to describe it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::The link is hovering there, on the page, like a vast predatory bird... -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:31, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::That, or... talking like William... Shatner. --...[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Suki did it. It's ''over''. FINISHED.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::For me, personally... IT NEVER ENDS! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Let me give it the worst case of INDIGESTION it's ever had! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:48, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:God, I'm choking on all the [[Furmanism]] here. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:25, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
But if Walky can survive the tide of Furmanisms CAN WE DO LESS?--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

== Evil Decepti-Nazi Blocker ==

Why the fuck you had to do the Blocking? Are you crazy? Now Nobody send messages to me. If I find you my F-35 Lightning II will fucking get you. We will forgive you if you unblock everything otherwise, the Tanks Transform and roll out.
:''"...so long as they are able to rail at the wind on their own talk page, the troublemaker's ire has a natural and nondestructive outlet. Denied that outlet, they will seek to learn how to evade bans, and armed with '''that''' knowledge their vengeance is unbound to range as it sees fit."'' -[[User:75.73.88.32|75.73.88.32]] 23:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Except he was IP-bouncing already ''before any bans or locks were enacted''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to hump you for saying that! My tanks will come and get you.

::Okay, that made me laugh for like five minutes. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::It's like watching a slow-motion train wreck... --[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 00:56, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Any more blocks will result more fucking jets to get you.

Suki, You have such a fat tits that when you go walk down the street people go saying "AW FUCK THATS A FUCKING FAT TITS!"

Fuck You!

Thank you Suki for making us laugh about love... again.--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

==Sorry for the IP Jumper and Hacker==
Sorry for my Brother you blocked due to his obsession of war units. He was arrested for hacking into my computer and murdering to many US troopers don't worry of him. Hey who changed my name to Spearhead? My brother the IP Jumper is executed yesterday for hacking and lets all including you celebrate a party for the execution of the hacker. I promise to be nicer than that other guy as long as I visit.(Spearhead 04:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Starscream (Armada)

2007-10-07T04:34:32Z

Sideways: /* Excuse me */

There's bound to be a few bits of fiction left unlisted. Some of the kids' books, and he's gotta be in Legends SOMEWHERE. And I really don't feel like going over the DW Armada comic right now. But one at least that section's in, and we get some screen grabs and pictures in... I'd say we've got us another Featured Article. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:45, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for stupidly interfering in an inaccurate/unfunny/both way. Should I go sit in the corner? (the sorry is in no way sarcastic)

SL Nightscream is NOT a clone of Starscream. Who the hell keeps making this up? His story is the same as in Energon. He's Starscream's spark restored with energon. There isn't a single shred of evidence that he is anyone but Starscream with his mind wiped.

== Excuse me ==

In what episode does starscreem actualy get his powerlink form?
:Same one as everyone else.
::Episode 43, "Puppet" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:49, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

What happened? Is that the same crown from somewhere? The crown from Cybertron ([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

That F-22 is not looking like 2007 Film Starscream and why you call me SPEARHEAD?(Spearhead 04:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Hyperborea (Cybertron)

2007-10-07T04:31:00Z

Sideways:

[[Image:Hyperborea-ep51.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Sounds like something you'd need a salve for.]]

The '''Hyperborea''' is one of the four ancient starships sent off from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to explore the galaxy and create a massive [[Space Bridge]] network. Its crew eventually landed on the world that became known as the [[Jungle Planet]].

''Japanese name:'' '''Lemuria'''

It them was fused to become the Superbattleship yours truly the Super king-kong Mighty mighty ARK!

===Known post-''Cybertron'' ''Hyperborea'' crew===

* [[Evac]]
* [[Backstop]]
* [[Lugnutz]]

==External Links==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperborea Hyperborea (the mythical land) at Wikipedia]

{{stub}}
[[Category: Cybertron]]
[[Category: Jungle Planet]]
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User talk:Rosicrucian

2007-10-07T04:29:26Z

Sideways: Throw a party

==Re: [[Galvatron (G1)]], [[Transformers (2007)]]==
LISTEN UP FOOL, we are having a little bit of conflict at the moment i dont want that, but my idea's are funny and brawl is devastator, but pleese lets not fight any futher {{unsigned|58.165.241.232|07:02, 5 August 2007}}
:Your the fool, i agree with you, the eye joke is funny, and i like to call brawl Devastator, but ahhhhh that dosent give you the right to create talk pages calling people "lunch box" and "snack pack" now pleese excuse me while i ask for you to be blocked for a year, that should tech you, "lunch box" --[[User:Galvason|Galvason]] 08:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, good luck with that. I doubt anyone is going to ban Rosicrucian at all, much less for a year, for reverting a blatantly racist joke that you repeatedly put into the article. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 09:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Some confusion here. Galvason was talking to the anonymous editor who put in said racist joke, and was calling for the banning of that very anonymous editor. He was not calling for Rosicrucian to be banned.
:::People, please sign your talk page entries, and please keep discussion on pages where it is relevant. This particular conversation is veering off track from having anything to do with Rosicrucian at all. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 09:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

==Tigatron / Polar Claw==
An anonymous editor recently changed one of your additions to the Tigatron article: [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tigatron&diff=next&oldid=84302]. I don't really remember the story anymore; your version sounds right to me, but I'm not sure enough of it to make the revert myself. Take a look? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Easily done. I've elaborated on the production choices that led to this decision, and the lingering link back to the original character reflected in where Tigatron awakened.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 05:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Furman ==

Really? I didn't think it was that mean, and the guy does write freaking '''EVERYTHING''' what do you think I should do to change it? Like, what was too snarky about it? --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 00:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would've said that it's a bit exaggerated, but considering the man wrote a freakin' "How to draw Transformers" book when he's not an artist, I'd say 70.190's edit were pretty much on the money. Maybe de-snarkicize them a little but not outright remove them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
::Awesome, thank you. Though I really wish that bubble bath joke could have stayed. You're probably right though... (sigh) --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 01:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think I knee-jerked a bit. Feel free to add it back in, I won't touch it. See what others think.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Nah, it's totally cool. It was kinda snarky, and I am an IP after all. Your version reads a lot more professional, and I think the world will survive without my "Simon Furman wrote the instructions on the back of the TF bubble bath" joke. Thanks again. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 02:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

==[[wikipedia:Pluralis_majestatis|Pluralis majestatis]]==
Fine... We shall keep to the old captions, although we are not amused by them. --[[User:Lrahaman|Lenny]] 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==No More Twinkies for [[user:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]]==
k... sorry. I thought I was allowed to have a bit of fun on Teletraan-1. I guess not? Please ask before taking down my stuff. I'll say yes like 99.9% of the time. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 16:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I didn't mark it for deletion, and I don't have the power to take it down. That's pretty much ''why'' I asked on the talkpage first rather than slapping a deletion template on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
: If you contributed to this wiki ''before'' creating a self-indulgent image-intensive User page which expanded into a separate disambiguation page, we probably wouldn't mind as much. Okay, we'd still mind the separate disambiguation page. That was just ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
::Ouch... Thanks for that lovely incentive to continue contributing. I've been coming to Teletraan-1 for a long time, and finally signed up ''yesterday''. I admit that prior to creating my User pages, I had only contributed only ''one'' insignificant picture to [[True_One|an article]] marked as needing one, but I can't fix every stub in one day! I thought I could help improve this thing and have a little fun at the same time. Maybe I was wrong, but I'm gonna keep trying to contribute... despite all your wonderful hospitality. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 16:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== Throw a party ==

Hey! Assaulthead the guy that you know is executed for hacking, beating me up and murdering a teacher! Please don't block me if I promise to behave and don't copy my bigger brother that is forever blocked. Hey why you called me spearhead?(Spearhead 04:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

User talk:Rosicrucian

2007-10-07T04:28:39Z

Sideways: Throw a party

==Re: [[Galvatron (G1)]], [[Transformers (2007)]]==
LISTEN UP FOOL, we are having a little bit of conflict at the moment i dont want that, but my idea's are funny and brawl is devastator, but pleese lets not fight any futher {{unsigned|58.165.241.232|07:02, 5 August 2007}}
:Your the fool, i agree with you, the eye joke is funny, and i like to call brawl Devastator, but ahhhhh that dosent give you the right to create talk pages calling people "lunch box" and "snack pack" now pleese excuse me while i ask for you to be blocked for a year, that should tech you, "lunch box" --[[User:Galvason|Galvason]] 08:21, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, good luck with that. I doubt anyone is going to ban Rosicrucian at all, much less for a year, for reverting a blatantly racist joke that you repeatedly put into the article. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 09:14, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Some confusion here. Galvason was talking to the anonymous editor who put in said racist joke, and was calling for the banning of that very anonymous editor. He was not calling for Rosicrucian to be banned.
:::People, please sign your talk page entries, and please keep discussion on pages where it is relevant. This particular conversation is veering off track from having anything to do with Rosicrucian at all. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 09:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

==Tigatron / Polar Claw==
An anonymous editor recently changed one of your additions to the Tigatron article: [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tigatron&diff=next&oldid=84302]. I don't really remember the story anymore; your version sounds right to me, but I'm not sure enough of it to make the revert myself. Take a look? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Easily done. I've elaborated on the production choices that led to this decision, and the lingering link back to the original character reflected in where Tigatron awakened.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 05:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Furman ==

Really? I didn't think it was that mean, and the guy does write freaking '''EVERYTHING''' what do you think I should do to change it? Like, what was too snarky about it? --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 00:58, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:I would've said that it's a bit exaggerated, but considering the man wrote a freakin' "How to draw Transformers" book when he's not an artist, I'd say 70.190's edit were pretty much on the money. Maybe de-snarkicize them a little but not outright remove them. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
::Awesome, thank you. Though I really wish that bubble bath joke could have stayed. You're probably right though... (sigh) --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 01:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think I knee-jerked a bit. Feel free to add it back in, I won't touch it. See what others think.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 02:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Nah, it's totally cool. It was kinda snarky, and I am an IP after all. Your version reads a lot more professional, and I think the world will survive without my "Simon Furman wrote the instructions on the back of the TF bubble bath" joke. Thanks again. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 02:04, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

==[[wikipedia:Pluralis_majestatis|Pluralis majestatis]]==
Fine... We shall keep to the old captions, although we are not amused by them. --[[User:Lrahaman|Lenny]] 19:00, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==No More Twinkies for [[user:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]]==
k... sorry. I thought I was allowed to have a bit of fun on Teletraan-1. I guess not? Please ask before taking down my stuff. I'll say yes like 99.9% of the time. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 16:09, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I didn't mark it for deletion, and I don't have the power to take it down. That's pretty much ''why'' I asked on the talkpage first rather than slapping a deletion template on it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
: If you contributed to this wiki ''before'' creating a self-indulgent image-intensive User page which expanded into a separate disambiguation page, we probably wouldn't mind as much. Okay, we'd still mind the separate disambiguation page. That was just ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
::Ouch... Thanks for that lovely incentive to continue contributing. I've been coming to Teletraan-1 for a long time, and finally signed up ''yesterday''. I admit that prior to creating my User pages, I had only contributed only ''one'' insignificant picture to [[True_One|an article]] marked as needing one, but I can't fix every stub in one day! I thought I could help improve this thing and have a little fun at the same time. Maybe I was wrong, but I'm gonna keep trying to contribute... despite all your wonderful hospitality. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 16:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

== Throw a party ==

Hey! Assaulthead the guy that you know is executed for hacking, beating me up and murdering a teacher! Please don't block me if I promise to behave and don't copy my bigger brother that is forever blocked.(Spearhead 04:28, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Megatron (Movie)

2007-10-07T04:22:38Z

Sideways: /* Weird Jet */

== Human Name jokes ==

We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.

== Megatron's Cybertronian form ==

Has anyone else noticed that Megatron's vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the ''Swordfish'', the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in ''Cowboy BeBop''? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The only difference is it's A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.

:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn't exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a 'mono-racer' from Bebop at least.

::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
== Earth Mode ==

According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we're not including that "info". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie's game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we'll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie. I'd say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it's still not confirmed. [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::From the book media I've perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all. There's other things I saw, but I shan't go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then. [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::Which book? Sounds interesting. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow. The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc. Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side. He ain't Brawl. All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores. (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can't seem to edit pages when I'm logged in.) [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Sibling status==
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true. :)
: FOr what it's worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there's at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: The DS game says so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it's not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it's going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==*More* Misassemblies==

Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it's his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Geeeeez, you're right. Is there anything assembled ''right'' on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I'm not seeing it.
:::It's most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don't look at 'pics' of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. >.> [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==

I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It'll probebly bring him back to life at least
:I don't deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs's revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won't become Galvatron.

== Marinas Trench ==

I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench. To that end, using "Marinas Trench" doesn't seem exactly right to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to quite decipher what he DID call it. Was anybody else? And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:Keller says "Laurentian Trench," which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest. He also says it's the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas. So, a fact-finding flub. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean. (seriously, it's entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

== Megatron head article photo ==

the onepresent right now is a little blurry, wouldn'tthat one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, because that one doesn't have the right head. We replaced the one you suggested with the current version. (Blurry? It's a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

== video game info ==

should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Weird Jet ==

God Damn that is one weird Cybertronian jet. He would have been a YF-23 Black Widow and that would be fucking scary.

Is that true?(Spearhead 04:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Autobot

2007-10-07T04:18:08Z

Sideways: /* Movie */

[[Image:Autobot symbol.png|thumb|250px|If you don't recognize this symbol, what in the name of [[Primus]] are you doing here?]]

{{quote|[['Til all are one]].|Autobot rally cry|[[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)|TFTM]]}}

The '''Autobots''' are one of the primary factions in the [[Transformer]]s mythos. They usually find themselves defending both their own race and other species against the [[Decepticon]]s and upholding justice and freedom throughout the galaxy.

They are considered "the good guys" in most Transformers stories.

A generally heroic, honorable group, they tend to be dedicated to peace, rather than conquest. As a result they are usually Transformers who change into non-combat oriented alternate modes such as domestic vehicles, cars, trucks, or rescue vehicles. This is not ''always'' the case, however, as their ranks certainly contain neer-do-wells, malcontents, and unsavory types, and the neccessities of war have lead many to adopt more combat-oriented alternate forms.

Key concepts that repeat throughout most continuities are the use of the name Prime (or a variation there of) to denote Autobot leadership, and the existance of an artifact of great life-giving power, usually refered to as a "Matrix", traditionally held by their leader.

:''Japanese name:'' '''Cybertron'''

==Generation 1==

===Marvel Comic===

[[Image:Primag2.jpg|left|thumb|200px|The birth of Prima, the first Autobot. Just before Primus went around handing out cigars.]]

In the beginning Primus created the Transformers, a race of living robots that could change their bodies into the likeness of weapons, vehicles, and machinery, and all Transformers were Autobots, and he saw that they were good. The Autobot symbol (or [[Autobrand]] as it is sometimes called) was based on the face of the [[Last Autobot]], the sleeping guardian Primus left for the day when his plans came to fruition.

At first Autobot numbers were small, (a mere [[Thirteen original Transformers|13]] began things) but through [[reproduction|budding]] they expanded their race to fill the planet. When the correct level of population was reached a mechanism triggered and memory of the process was wiped from the Transformers minds. At some point in these early days Unicron was able to reach through the mental link he shared with Primus and sow the seeds of corruption in a few Autobots, though this dark cult of Unicron would not bear fruit for a long time.

Eons passed in relative peace. Autobot society formed its own traditions, institutions, city-states and politics. From a human perspective this society resembled that of ancient Rome. [[Senators]] and [[Emirates]] governed wisely or corruptly, priests worshiped Primus and passed his holy Matrix to the chosen bearer (the lineage: [[Prima]] to [[Prime Nova]], Prime Nova to [[Sentinel Prime]]), gladiatorial games were held for sport and entertainment, and above it all the [[Overlord (Autobot)|Overlord]]s ruled.

It was only with the advent of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] at the end of the [[Golden Age]], coinciding with the death of the last hereditary Overlord, and the subsequent rise of the Decepticons, that the words "Autobot" and "Transformer" ceased being necessary synonyms and the population was divided by war.

[[Image:Optimusprimeg1marvelfirst.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Optimus Prime appears to turn the tide.]]
In the early days of the war the Autobots were overwhelmed by the Decepticon war machine. They fell back again and again and for a while it looked like the war would be quickly lost... and then a young warrior rose from their ranks and rallied the troops to fight back. He made his reputation by denying Megatron access to the [[Underbase]], soon rose to command the Autobot's elite air corps and then, at last, was granted full command of all Autobot armies. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] had turned the tide, and under his leadership the Autobots fought back until Megatron's war machine was stalled out and stalemated.

The war ground on until Autobot scientists detected that their planet's path was going to pass through a deadly asteroid belt. Putting the planetwide conflict aside for the moment they turned their attention to planetary salvation and the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] was built.
[[Image:Autobotline.gif|thumb|left|1000px|And now, shadow puppet theatre.]]

Optimus and a crew of his best soldiers took the Ark into space and cleared the a path for the planet through the asteroid field. Unfortunately with their power depleted from that Herculean task they were then ambushed by Megatron and his Decepticons. The crews of both ships were lost to history.

Without Megatron or Prime the pace of the war slowed considerably. Still, fighting continued and both sides dug-in for a long bitter struggle. In Prime’s absence [[Emirate Xaaron]] lead the Autobot forces in their struggle to retake their homeworld.

The next four million years passed quickly (as it is wont to do) and without any major alteration (only a general degradation) of the situation. Finally news came to Cybertron: Optimus Prime and his forces lived! Yet this news came at a steep price as it meant a new front had opened in the war. Optimus Prime and his forces fought the Decepticons on the distant world of Earth, while Xaaron, his [[Wreckers]], and others carried on the war for Cybertron.

Despite Prime's dedication to protecting Earth, Autobot/Human relations were not good. Humanity veiwed all Transformers as threats and attacked any they discovered regardless of faction.

[[Image:Biggrim_me_king.jpg|thumb|right|100px| Highpoint of ancient and virtuous Autobot civilization, me am sure.]]
Not long after his survival was discovered tragedy struck and Optimus Prime was killed on Earth. The Dinobot commander Grimlock took on the leadership of Prime's soldiers, though he favored the abandonment of Earth and a renewed focus on Cybertron.

At roughly the same time, the great Autobot warrior [[Fortress Maximus]] reached an important decision. He was tired of the war and if he could not end it he would leave it behind. Gathering a large following of likeminded warriors he left Cybertron for the world of Nebulos in hopes of a new and peaceful life. This was not to be. Decepticons followed Maximus and oppened a third front to the war. In the end both factions abandoned Nebulos and Maximus lead them to Earth to unite with the forces under Optimus Prime.

[[Image:LastAutobot.jpg|left|thumb|150px| From Prima to Last Autobot, we come full circle. You may close your notebooks.]]
However when they arrived they discovered Prime dead and Grimlock less than welcoming. Grimlock and Maximus attempted to establish a single Autobot leader with trial by combat but were interupted by a devastating Decepticon attack. The upside of it all was that they ended up putting their differences aside and Optimus Prime was soon reborn to take up leadership of the Earth-based forces once again.

Not long after, a dimensional transporter accident lead to the rediscovery and accidental disturbance of Primus deep in the center of Cybertron. The Autobots learned that their ancient myths about Primus were the truth, and now Unicron was now coming for them. The Creation Matrix lost and corrupted, Optimus Prime offered the Autobots unconditional surrender to the Decepticons in the hopes that this would lead the two factions to stand together against the coming threat. It did, and the Matrix was retrieved and purified in time to stop Unicron. Both Optimus Prime and Emirate Xaaron were killed in the battle and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] ascended to Autobot leadership again, this time over all Autobots.

The alliance with the Decepticons would be short lived. Cybertron appeared to be destroying itself and the Decepticons betrayed the Autobots, leaving them to die with their world. Grimlock’s leadership lead to the Autobots escaping that trap, and walking right into a different one. Oops. Thankfully, the awakening of the Last Autobot saved Cybertron and lead to the rebirth of Optimus Prime, who reclaimed Autobot leadership and beat the Decepticons once and for all.

''(From this point both the Marvel Generation 2 and the Fun Publication's Classics comics continue the story in seperate and mutually exclusive directions.)''

===Generation 2===

''(Continuing from the end of the Marvel Generation 1 series.)''

The war finally over, most of the Autobots retire to the revived and prosperous Cybertron. It's not to last. Grimlock leeds a crew of Autobots not ready to take a vacation and put their feet up to try and track down any remaining Decepticon trouble. They find more than they could imagine as they descover a vast and millitant Empire constructed across the stars by Decepticons who left Cybertron long ago.

At the same time Megatron rears his head again on Earth and soon the surviving Decepticons from the end of the war join him, intent of restarting the war on Earth. It's not long before Decepticon and Autobots are teamed up against the forces of the Cybertronian Empire. Though this new conflict never touches the revived Cybertron, Earth is devastated by it. The Bot/Con alliance win, but how long this new alliance will last and what [[Liege Maximo|new threats]] await remains a question.

===Classics===

''(Continuing from the end of the Marvel Generation 1 series.)''

===Cartoon===
[[Image:Aubotot gladiator.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A Quint slave robot who would later become Autobot leader and bearer of the Matrix: [[U-Haul Robot]] lived in the era before cool names were invented.]]

The Autobots originated as non-living machines, specifically the [[Quintesson]]'s domestic slave robot line. They were sub-divided into "male" and "female" sublines. The Autobot symbol was in fact the original Qunitesson slave brand. They generally have blue glowing optics. ''(Though the series did not always abide by it, there was some attempt to establish the fact that Autobots could not fly unaided in robot mode while the Decepticons generally could).''

Having achieved sentience and emotion against their creator's expectations they rebeled and together with the Quintesson's military hardware (the future Decepticons) achieved freedom and kicked their masters to the curb.'' (Of note: no Decepticons are seen in the bits of the rebelion we are witness to, but it is presmed they took part nonetheless.)''

For a time peace reigned. But the military hardware grew restless and eventually declared war on their peace-loving brothers and sisters. During this dark time many ships of Autobot refugees left Cybertron to try to form peaceful colonies elsewhere in the universe.

Eventually the millitary robots were defeated when the Autobots invented the art of [[transforming]]. A new peace settled over Cybertron and what became known as the [[Golden Age]] began. This age was characterized by peace, prosperity, and an abundence of energy such that the metal of the whole planet literally glowed golden with its power. [[Guardian Robots]] patroled the planet and helped keep the peace.

But eventually the Decepticons aquired the art of Transforming as well. Megatron was born and under his leadership they rose up against the Autobots once more. U-Haul Robot was killed by Megatron and passed the matrix of leadership to [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] who held it safe until a young robot named Orion Pax was injured in one of Megatron's raids and rebuilt by Trion into the first of a new breed of Autobots specifically designed to combat the Decepticons. Thus Optimus Prime was born and under his leadership the Decepticons were stalemated.

The war raged on and eventually drained the entire planet of its once-rich sources of energy, leaving it a damaged, burnt-out gray husk of its former self. With no other choice the Autobots constructed the Ark, designed to fly Optimus Prime and his comrades to other planets in the search for new sources of energy.

The Ark launch bay was attacked just prior to lift-off and the [[Female Autobots]] under the command of [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] vanished in the explosions. They were presumed destroyed by both sides, but actually survived to continue underground operations against Shockwave's regime on Cybertron.

Ambushed by the Decepticons, the Ark crashed into nearby planet, named [[Earth]]. Crashing into a volcano, the impact rendered all the passengers, including members of both factions, into [[stasis lock]]. They were brought back online when the volcano erupted, and immediately resumed combat, this time on Earth.

The Autobots dedicated themselves to protecting Earth and its inhabitants from Megatron's forces. Their relationship with Earth's human governments and population were generally positive and mutually benificial.

By 2005, the Decepticons had driven the Autobots from Cybertron, and they were now forced to operate out of two bases on Cybertron's moons with a reserve force at [[Autobot City]] on Earth. The Decepticons hijacked a supply shuttle, [[Battle of Autobot City|laying siege to Autobot City]]. The battle saw the deaths of many Autobots, including Optimus Prime, who in turn passed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. However, [[Unicron]] arrived and devoured the two moons. Megatron, who had been reformatted into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], stole the Matrix from Magnus, intending to use it against Unicron. Galvatron could not open the Matrix, and Unicron proceeded to attack Cybertron, decimating the Decepticon forces on the planet. However, the young Autobot [[Hot Rod]] managed to take the Matrix from Galvatron, causing him to become Rodimus Prime. He opened the Matrix, causing Unicron's body to self destruct. Leaderless, the Decepticons fled the planet, and the Autobots reclaimed Cybertron.

The Autobots remained in control of Cybertron for the next few years,slowly working to revitalize their homeworld. They fairly easily fought off feints by the Quintessons and the remaining Decepticon forces. Eventually Optimus Prime was revived and resumed Autobot leadership. It wasn't until Galvatron launched an all out attack on Cybertron's [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] that the balance again threatened to tip the Decepticon's way. Thankfully it turned out all had been arranged by [[Vector Sigma]] to set in motion the repowering of Cybertron. The Decepticons were defeated and Cybertron glowed golden with energy reborn at last.

''('''Note:''' in Japan, during [[Transformers 2010]], the Cybertrons who transformed into automobiles were referred to as a subgroup of the faction called "Autobots".)''

===Beast Era===
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In ''Beast Wars'' continuity, the [[Maximal]]s were the descendants of the Autobots and worked under the same morals and laws. They faced the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s in the same way their ancestors had fought the Decepticons.

===Dreamwave===

===IDW===

==Robots in Disguise==

==Unicron Trilogy==
===Animated Continuity===
====Armada====

Throughout the Unicron Trilogy, the Autobots switched motives after each major conflict. At first, they were attempting to liberate smaller robots, called [[Mini-Con]]s, from the tyrannical control of [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], who saw them as tools to be used and disposed of when no longer needed. The Autobots followed the Mini-Con's ship to Earth, where they crashed and eventually continued their battle against the Deceptions (some two-million years later. Geez, Megs can hold a grudge).

These two sides would unite to fight the Chaos Bringer, [[Unicron]], when he threatened to devour Cybertron. With Megatron sacrificing himself to save the rest of the Universe, Unicron shut down and was destroyed. The remaining Transformers united as the Autobots, following Megatron's order to assist them in rebuilding Cybertron.

====Energon====

Megatron's final orders to his troops still stood: work with the Autobots. The Decepticons maintained a degree of autonomy, still wearing the faction sigil and often taking military/defensive positions in the growing number of energon-mining colonies, but they were ultimately answerable to Optimus Prime and the Autobots. There were, of course, dissenters, most of which were captured and imprisoned. For a decade, Autobot and Decepticon worked side-by-side in a somewhat stable truce.

Both sides found themselves the target of attacks from Unicron again; hordes of Terrorcon drones, sent by Alpha Quintesson to steal energon ore with which to revive the now-shattered husk of Unicron. What the alien did not count on was that Megatron's spark had survived within the remains, and was siphoning energon from Unicron's body. Soon the Decepticon leader had revived himself in a new form, drove off Alpha Quintesson, and along with an elite cadre of soldiers and a seemingly inexhaustible supply of mindless Terrorcon drones, began his new plans for conquest.

When news of Megatron's return reached Cybertron, hundreds of Decepticons rose up and rebelled, eager to get back to conquering. But having been joined to Unicon for so long apparently had given Megatron a taste of godhood; he had no more interest in amassing a galaxy-spanning army of troops. Countless Decepticons died in the resulting battles, with Megatron more than willing to sacrifice them without a thought to attain ultimate power for himself. As the "Powerlinx Battles" -as they came to be called- came to their climax, Megatron found that his actions and thoughts were being influenced and controlled by the dark spark of Unicron. Unwilling to let Unicron stand in his way, Megatron ultimately sacrificed himself (again) and seemingly destroyed Unicron's spark by plunging himself into a newly-formed energon sun created by Primus.

====Cybertron====

Another ten years after Energon, the Energon sun created by Primus was gone, collapsed into the [[Unicron Singularity]], a giant black hole threatening to devour all of existance. In death, Unicron's power to destroy his only oppostion - Primus - was greater than ever. The Autobots searched for a method of destroying the Black Hole and found a single answer; the Omega Lock, a powerful artifact linked to the Spark of Primus. With it, the Universe could be saved... or destroyed. Seeing an opportunity to rebuild existance in his own image, Megatron sought out the Omega Lock and the Cyber Planet Keys.

As the two sides battled for the Keys, the Autobots would eventually find all four and use them to revive Primus, but in doing so caused a massive earthquake that began shattering the planet around them.

Or so they thought.

Primus was emerging from Cybertron, awakened from the body he sculpted into a world for his creation. When informed of Unicron's destruction, he was infuriated to find that the universe was out of balance because of a severe lack of evil. Until Starscream attacked his weakened form, due to the smaller robot stealing a piece of his spark and becoming an even equally huge monster, but was quickly dispatched by his creator. Defeated, Starscream flew off, leaving the Autobots to seal the Black Hole. Once this was accomplished, Galvatron attempted an escape from his fire dimension, but by combining Vector Prime's sword with the Omega Lock, the portal was sealed, the the Autobots returned home in peace.

The remaining Decepticons joined the Autobots, save for four who left Earth to start the New Decepticon Army. Their ship made it to Mars before being caught in the gravity well, and one of them may have attacked the [[Transformers (2007)|Mars Beagle II rover]].

==Movie==
The Autobots are the Transformers who rallied around [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] to prevent [[Megatron (Movie)|Lord Megatron]] from stealing the [[AllSpark]]. Although they fought valiantly, the Decepticons were more warlike, and they began to gain ground. In a move to prevent the Decepticons from acquiring the AllSpark, Prime sent it hurtling into deep space. Megatron followed, and disappeared. The Autobots then scattered among the universe, searching for the AllSpark.

In the novelization of the movie, when Optimus states that they are "independently cognitive mechanical entities from a very distant world [...] You could also think of us as autonomous robotic organisms" (p.169, Chapter 8), Mikaela murmurs "Autonomous robots--Autobots" ('''Auto'''nomous Ro'''bots''') (p.169, Chapter 8). Later, after Optimus has the glasses, and has analyzed them, he thinks of what would be an "appropriate indigenous designation for bots of this kind?" (p.221 Chapter 11), Optimus says "Autobots--roll out!". This means that, in the novelization, they didn't call themselves Autobots.

==Animated==
Only one character confirmed. Optimus Prime as a fire truck this time with no flying ability unlike Cybertron and should be on ground like fire trucks should be.

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Decepticon

2007-10-07T04:16:15Z

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{{disambig2|the Transformers faction|the ''Robots in Disguise'' episode|The Decepticons}}

[[Image:Decept.gif|right|frame|250px|The original Decepticon symbol.]]

: '''''Decepticon''' (di-sep-ti-con ) '''n.''' A member of a subversive sect or society. From the noun — 'decepticon'; one who deceives.''
::'' - {{Template:Tooltip|from the New Cybertronic Dictograph|The letters page of Marvel UK#33}}''

{{quote|The Decepticons are a malevolent race of robot warriors, brutal and merciless. The Decepticons are led by a single undeviating goal; total domination of the universe.|Narrator in the [[Secret Files of Tele-traan 2]]|}}

The '''Decepticons''' are one of the primary factions in the ''[[Transformer]]s'' mythos. They are typically concerned with such things as amassing large quantities of [[energon]], developing powerful weaponry, galactic conquest, and beating people up. Not necessarily in that order.

They are "the bad guys" in most ''Transformers'' stories.

:''Japanese name'': '''Destrons'''<br>
:''Italian name'': '''Distructors'''
:''Hungarian name'': '''Álcák''' ("Disguises") -- '''Robotikák''' in the ''Energon'' and ''Cybertron'' series.

==Generation 1==
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In the various continuities descending from [[Generation 1]], the Decepticons and the [[Autobot]]s are the two great powers in the Transformer population. The factions, however, are not a complete set -- there are Transformers who are unaffiliated / neutral, or even members of smaller or splinter factions.

Many G1 timelines actually credit [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] as the founder of the Decepticons, not merely its most recent leader. In contrast, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] is almost always depicted as only the latest in a long line of [[Prime (rank)|Primes]] or [[Matrix Bearer]]s.

Eventually, the Decepticons managed to take control of all of Cybertron, forcing the Autobots to operate on Cybertron's two moons, but [[Autobot City]] on [[Earth]] was viewed as the greater threat. The Decepticons overtook a supply shuttle and launched an [[Battle of Autobot City|attack]], with disasterous consequences for the Autobots. The battle saw one of the Decepticons long held dreams achieved in the death of Optimus Prime, but Megatron was damaged, and left to rot in deep space. [[Unicron]] reformatted him into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], and Galvatron attempted to enslave Unicron with the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. When Unicron attacked Cybertron, most of the Decepticon forces on the planet were wiped out, allowing the Autobots to retake control of the planet. Eventually, the Autobots, led by a resurrected Optimus Prime, managed to finally defeat the Decepticons. Both sides signed the [[Pax Cybertronia]], which eventually led to peace, but left the Decepticons in a second class position.

==Beast Era==
In ''Beast Wars'' continuity, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s were the descendants of the Decepticons and fought with the same aggression and ideas of conquest. They faced the [[Maximal]]s in the same way their ancestors had fought the [[Autobot]]s.

==Robots in Disguise==

In the [[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], the Decepticons were a brand new faction that came into being during the events of the story. Because there were so few Decepticons (only six or seven), and because they were a subset of the [[Predacon (RID)|Predacon]] antagonists, they can almost be viewed as a [[subgroup]] rather than a proper faction. The RiD Decepticons were created on Earth when [[Megatron (RID)|Megatron]]'s forces captured a set of [[stasis pod]]s from an ancient Transformer spaceship that had been found on [[Earth]], leading to the birth of the [[Commando]]s and [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]]. The toy version of [[Megatron (RID)|Galvatron]] was also labeled as a Decepticon, although this "change" in the character's faction was not established in the cartoon series.

In the Japanese version of RiD, ''[[Car Robots]]'', the Decepticons were known as Combatrons. This is the same name by which the [[Combaticon (G1)|G1 Combaticons]] were called in Japan.

For the [[Hasbro]] toy line, several other non-show Decepticons were added to the ranks to help fill out the line. It is unknown how most of these actually fit into the story, though one of them, [[Axer]], is actually a dimension-hopper who arrived from the [[Generation 1]] universe.

==Unicron Trilogy==
===Animated continuity===
====Armada====
The ''exact'' origins of the Decepticon faction is a bit muddled. It is widely assumed, though never directly confirmed, that the movement was founded by [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]. Also, the enslavement of the power-enhancing [[Mini-Con]]s is considered to be the impetus to the Decepticons' rise to a massive multi-planet-spanning army, though at what point in the war this occurred is unclear; it's possible the Mini-Cons' arrival was what gave Megatron the opportunity to rise to power, or that they arrived after the war had already begun.

Either way, the Mini-Cons fueled the war machine for centuries, and the war with the [[Autobot]]s soon spread from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to other worlds. The self-imposed exile of the Mini-Cons to an unknown destination was seen as a major setback for the Decepticons (and something of a pyrrhic victory for the Autobots), but despite this, the war continued, as both sides had amassed a large enough power base to continue on without the little buggers.

The Autobots and Decepticons seemed to fight to a stalemate, neither able to gain a distinct advantage over the other. When a signal reached Cybertron centuries later that the Mini-Cons had landed on [[Earth]], it seems neither side was capable of sending a full force to retrieve them, despite the power they contained. Though the Decepticon force sent to Earth was small in numbers, it was far from insignificant; Megatron himself led the squad, backed by some of his most trusted warriors.

When Megatron returned to Cybertron, the overwhelming majority of the Mini-Cons were in the protective custody of the Autobots, but Megatron was unfazed; he had assembled the Mini-Cons required to make the three legendary weapons the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom Shield]] and [[Requiem Blaster]]. Bolstered by this new power and the apparent death of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron attempted to take Cybertron once and for all.

But Megatron's return to Cybertron was the beginning of the end of the Decepticon army. When [[Unicron]] revealed himself as a threat to both armies, fueled by the negative psychic energies from centuries of death and destruction, the two sides eventually joined together to beat back the planet-eater. Despite the truce, Megatron and Prime engaged in a brutal duel on the surface of the weakened Unicron after the three legendary weapons had been removed from his core. Realizing their battle was keeping Unicron active, Megatron sacrificed himself, and both Unicron and Megatron disappeared into nothingness.

====Energon====
[[Image:169942-150x500.jpg|left|thumb|127px|Another Decepticon symbol, most common in the Unicron trilogy.]]
Megatron's final orders to his troops still stood: work ''with'' the Autobots. The Decepticons maintained a degree of autonomy, still wearing the faction sigil and often taking military/defensive positions in the growing number of [[energon]]-mining colonies, but they were ultimately answerable to Optimus Prime and the Autobots. There were, of course, dissenters, most of which were captured and imprisoned. For a decade, Autobot and Decepticon worked side-by-side in a somewhat stable truce.

Both sides found themselves the target of attacks from Unicron again; hordes of [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon drones]], sent by [[Alpha Quintesson]] to steal energon ore with which to revive the now-shattered husk of Unicron. What the alien did not count on was that Megatron's [[spark]] had survived within the remains, and was siphoning energon from Unicron's body. Soon the Decepticon leader had revived himself in a new form, drove off Alpha Quintesson, and along with an elite cadre of soldiers and a seemingly inexhaustible supply of mindless Terrorcon drones, began his ''new'' plans for conquest.

When news of Megatron's return reached Cybertron, hundreds of Decepticons rose up and rebelled, eager to get back to conquering. But having been joined to Unicon for so long apparently had given Megatron a taste of godhood; he had no more interest in amassing a galaxy-spanning army of troops. Countless Decepticons died in the resulting battles, with Megatron more than willing to sacrifice them without a thought to attain ultimate power for himself. As the "[[Powerlinx Battles]]" -as they came to be called- came to their climax, Megatron found that his actions and thoughts were being influenced and controlled by the dark spark of Unicron. Unwilling to let Unicron stand in his way, Megatron ultimately sacrificed himself (again) and seemingly destroyed Unicron's spark by plunging himself into a newly-formed energon sun created by [[Primus]].

====Cybertron====
What little remained of the once-mighty Decepticon army after [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron's]] loss was at best a loose association of criminals, thugs, and lunatics, with no real political or military power to speak of. For a decade, [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was once again at peace, with the population overwhelmingly [[Autobot]] or neutral. The Transformers had withdrawn from [[Earth]] and its other colonies to focus on revitalizing their homeworld after the devastation of the Powerlinx Battles. However, two great catastrophes shattered this peace; the energon sun collapsed in on itself, forming the powerful black hole known as the [[Unicron Singularity]], which threatened to devour Cybertron and, if left unchecked, the entire universe... and the return yet once again of Megatron, who had absorbed much of what remained of Unicron's power.

Megatron's goal of attaining godhood was now at hand. By obtaining the legendary [[Omega Lock]] and the four [[Cyber Planet Key]]s, Megatron intended to accelerate the growth of the black hole, consuming the universe in a vast sea of nothingness that only he would survive, then use his powers to re-create the universe in his image.

To this end, he had no need of an army. He gathered a small group of allies and lackeys to seek the items he needed, but they were nothing more than pawns to him, to be used and discarded at a whim.

The Decepticons briefly regained their status as a mass army of individuals when [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], who had long suffered at Megatron's hands since the beginning of the Decepticons, made his own bid for ultimate power with the help of the [[Planet X]] agent [[Sideways]]. Having sealed Megatron and his troops in a trap, Starscream freed hundreds of criminal Transformers who had been locked up on [[Earth]] for millennia, and formed his own globe-spanning army. The Decepticon "Monsters" were tasked with finding the Omega Lock and Earth's Cyber Planet Key, which they eventually brought to their leader. However, numerous Decepticons were killed in the battles with the Autobots, and it soon became apparent that Starscream, like Megatron before him, didn't care. Most of these criminals soon abandoned Starscream and went into hiding.

As for Megatron, he too had deserters among his own considerably-small ranks. Most notably, the powerful [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], leader of the [[Jungle Planet]] and the colossal [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] from [[Gigantion]], both of whom eventually joined forces with their former enemies the Autobots.

This was not seen as a concern for Megatron, however, as by this time Starscream and his allies were seemingly destroyed on Gigantion, and Megatron (now calling himself "Galvatron" again) had the Omega Lock and all four Keys. What few Decepticons remained loyal to him were too stupid to see what Galvatron had planned, and made perfect distractions as he set his final plan in motion. If they weren't strong enough to survive the coming cataclysm, then so be it.

[[Image:NewDecepticonArmy.jpg|right|thumb|The yutz, the ditz, the klutz, and the putz.]]

Ultimately, Galvatron's plan failed, and the Unicron Singularity was sealed. His remaining Decepticons quickly left him, realizing what was likely to have happened to them, and eventually joined the Autobots. After Galvatron's seemingly-final defeat and death in a one-on-one duel with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] on [[Cybertron]]'s moon, the Decepticons, not knowing when to quit, rose again, albeit in a rather pathetic fashion. Having cobbled together a rather rickety rocket, [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|Crumplezone]] and [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]] shanghaied the reluctant [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]], who was ''really'' keen on being on the winning side for once, and flew off to parts unknown as the New Decepticon "Army".

They made it to [[Mars]] before the rocket crash-landed.

Meanwhile, the Autobot [[Wing Saber]] reported form a deep-space recon mission that he thought he had picked up traces of Starscream, seemingly backed up by Sideways and [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]. [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] and the former Decepticon [[Mudflap]] raced off to join Wing Saber and investigate...

:''('''Note''': During the closing credits montage of the final episode, a Galvatron-esque figure is seen sparring off with the now-deceased [[Vector Prime]]. What this means for the Decepticon army is unknown.)''

===Comics continuity===

==Movie==
The Decepticons are the Transformers who sided with [[Megatron (Movie)|Lord High Protector Megatron]] and attempted to seize the AllSpark. There numbers ranged from the [[Blackout (Movie)|fanatical]], the [[Brawl (Movie)|violent]], and the [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|fanatically violent]]. The Decepticons overwhelmed the valiant yet peaceful Autobots, and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] made the desperate decision to launch the AllSpark into deep space. Megatron obsessively followed after it, and disappeared. [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] took over leadership, and began a search for Megatron and the AllSpark. After a while, Starscream began to focus more on the AllSpark, hoping Megatron would remain lost, something the other Decepticons began to suspect.

The Decepticons are, in general, less human in appearance than the Autobots in movie. Also, with the exception of Megatron and Starscream, all movie Decepticons have four optics, giving them decidely bug-like eyes.

==Transformers Animated==
The Decepticons always appear in every universe and will be renewed as Animated characters but first of all only two confirmed. Megatron the always a military vehicle and or jet not car leader and Starscream a long time popular villian that only turns into a American Air Superiority Jet or Cybertronian Jet.

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Talk:Unicron Trilogy continuity family

2007-10-07T04:11:55Z

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Okay Derik, what's wrong with the "animated continuity" description? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 11:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and I see that in addition to the strike through of the description, you've added an unhelpful, confusing info box. Further explanation of this is required. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 11:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:Am I wrong? It was my understanding that Armada Cartoon > Energon Cartoon > Cybertron cartoon... didn't happen.
:It was really Armada Comic > Energon Comic > Cybertron cartoon. Thus the term 'animated continuity' is extremely wrong. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::Rumor and speculation. There is a section on this in the [[Cybertron (cartoon)]] article. So perhaps some version of that text should be here, or at least a link to it. I personally think the idea that Cybertron isn't in-continuity with the previous two cartoons is absurd. At any rate, your chart is decidedly non-helpful. "Actas Duology"? You expect readers to see that and not go "Bwuh?" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::What the hell, Derik? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::What the fuck is an Actas Duology? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 16:25, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:::...how is this rumor and speculation? The Fun Pub comics ''explicitly'' establish that the Cybertron in Cybertron (heh) is the one OverRun downloaded himself into after Starscream killed him in the Energon comic. Does this not mean the Cybertron cartoon follows the Dreamwave Energon comic? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::It also establishes that the Unicron Singularity was caused by Primus trapping Uni's spark in an Energon sun. Guess where that happened! --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::In the empty open chunk of continuity left by the cancellation of the Energon comic? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::Um, well, I suppose anything ''could'' have happened in there. Of course, Primus trapping Unicron's spark inside a newly created sun actually ''did'' happen in the last episode of the cartoon. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Unless the Fun Pub comic actually said "And then our two continuities merged to create this ass-baby," why are you assuming that the Cybertron with OverRun on it ISN'T the comic? Doesn't it make ''enormously'' more sense to say "Gee, it's the DW Energon continuity, explicitly! I guess the same event took place at the end in order to line up with the first ep of Cybertron!"
:::::::The end of the Armada cartoon and Armada comic both featured Optimus Prime spontaneously recoloring himself and a huge fleet battle against Unicron wherein he is flung out to the far reaches of the galaxy with the Decepticon leader still inside him- creating lasting peace. Why assume the end of the Energon comic would be ''less'' parallel?
:::::::Am I crazy for asking this? Am I missing something? Because it seems like the Fun Pub comic went ''out of its way'' to place the Cybertron cartoon into the void at the end of the Dreamwave comic. Why is everyone looking at me like I farted for saying this? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::::I think the fart in this analogy is not the argument you are making, but rather the ridiculous edit you made to the page. You do have a point in that the Fun Pub comic makes things less clear-cut than the article's current text implies. It could use a helping of the stuff whats on the [[Cybertron (cartoon)]] page, as I said above. (BTW, I thought the FP comic gave the Mini-Cons their cartoon-specific Unicronian origin? I have not read it myself, but I'm sure I saw that in some summary somewheres.) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:48, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That coulda been done better, true. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::Not to mention that it specifically takes the time to justify why the Transformers in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon don't remember things from the previous two season right. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:17, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::They'd need to have forgotten the Armada and Energon comics too. (Is there a less circular argument hidden here somewhere? "They didnt' remember what came before- therefore they forgot the cartoon continuity.") -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::This all seems [[Talk:Downshift (Energon)|hauntingly familiar]]... --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::I don't care what beef you have, Derik. It's no justification to throw strike-throughs through the page's text and make up nonsensical descriptors that nobody else understands. This wiki shouldn't be a minefield of codewords. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Granted- thus putting a comment-flag in the article to call for others immediate <strike>input</strike> reversion. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Then stop complaining that nobody takes your comments seriously. Why should you trash the page and then get to complain when we don't meet you more than halfway? I refuse to dignify this sort of behavior. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:54, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::That's fair. It seemed like a much better idea at the time than it proved to be in hindsight. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to point this out, on the [[Talk:Downshift (Energon)]] page, Walky says this: "According to Forest Lee, the club comic (and the Cybertron animated series itself) has been said to occur in both the DW comics continuity and the animated continuity." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
: So basically... it's a series that sprang out of the Transformers Multiverse concept of distinct continuities, it uses that concept, heavily, it explicitly deals witht hat concept, and makes it clear that the ''characters involved'' are from certain distinct continuities (BM-3H-toon and DW Energon)... but for some reason in defiance of all that, this story takes place on a smushy "oh, it's both worlds at once, tee-hee, now let's talk about my period and eat bon-bons!" ...despite the fact the aforementioned multiverse '''doesn't work that way'''.
: Oh, and also the story itself doesn't say this at any point.
: I hereby put forward an argument '''against''' authorial intent. If Forest Lee wanted the story to do occour in some contrary-to-internal-logic fashion, he should damn well have written it into the story instead of trying to make crazy, possibly ''drunken'' assertions after-the-fact. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Derik, what are you ranting about now? I really don't think any of us wanted to hear about your period! --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

If the goddamn 1986 animated movie can happen in both the cartoon timestream and the UK comics timestream... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::The 1986 movie didn't happen in the UK comics. The 1986 movie ''comic adaption'' dis, which moved the whole thign a year, and inserted all sorts of weird things like Galvatron deciding he was going to ''time travel'' right after speaking the words "Decepticons- to earth!"
::The movie was cartoon continuity. A ''very similar'' set of events happened in the comic- but they happened tt the comic characters. The Springer in the the UK version of Unicron's coming had been a former Wrecker. The one in TF:TM, by virtue of the wreckers not existing in the 'toon, was not. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::: If the events in TFTM can happen in two distinct universes, it's not a far cry for the events of the A-E cartoon to take place in another univerce in which the events from the A-E Comics. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Right, that's what I was saying- another copy/verion/parallel of the same events. Not the 'same event.' (Which is what Sipher was saying.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

so uh when does beast wars happen you guys? i herd it wuz after the cartoon but my friend says there's a comic it comes after? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:56, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey! How come I got the feeling something in UT is missing? Oh who put the words Thanks for putting me together on Unfinished? (Spearhead 04:11, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Starscream (Movie)

2007-10-07T04:10:07Z

Sideways: /* Long time popular character */

==Accuracy disputes==
I've noticed that there is some argument about the accuracy of Starscream's toy. Some thing that the vehicle mode is accurate, while others think not. Judging from the toy gallery on Seibertron.com, it looks very accurate except for the blasters formed from his hands, which are severly oversized compared to both the movie model and the toy itself. Other than this though, the majority of the figure seems to be pretty accurate.

:If you know anything about fighters, then you'll know its an appallingly bad representation of an F-22 Raptor (has details closer to a YF-22, if I recall correctly). Hasbro/Takara have unfortunately produced better F-22-type planes in the past with Energon Starscream, and the cancelled NATF swing-wing version of the fighter with G2 Hooligan. I'm not really surprised that most Transformers fans can't tell the difference, as they generally aren't that well-versed in military hardware. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:32, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, we tend to be more focused on consumer goods. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 02:42, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::To be perfectly honest, I will agree that it fits closer to the submodel than the main fighter, but at the same time I was looking at the two pictures side-by-side. In cases such as this, color is irrelevent considering Gen 1 Starscream was originally considered a highly unlikely paint-job for an F-15... until they adopted it. Admittedly, the arms and undercarriage do make the toy itself look less like the actual jet than the movie model, but they are also grossly different; Starscream's triple guns on his hands in the movie are MUCH smaller, and had to be enlarged for the toy to meet safety regulations. And while I do not exactly have a degree in the field, I do like to study up on military hardware, especially jets, tanks, and some of the newer guns (the XM-8 in particular). I was kind of hoping they'd go with the newer F-35B, but I think it was still in the experimental stage when the movie was being scripted. [[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 03:39, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:::G1 Starscream's own hull colour is very similar to the grey they used on F-15s of the 80s. I don't recall that the USAF used any of G1 Starscream's decos, did they? As I explained on [[Talk:Starscream (G1)|G1 Starscream's talk page]], Classics Starscream's colour scheme was made up from photos of the F-15 prototype that the Air Force doctored... for some reason. Real one was light blue with rather bright orange.

:::The F-35 is a piece of overpriced crap compared to the Raptor. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:03, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

::::And you're SURE these photos are doctored, and they don't just have a few or even a single fighter in that color scheme (especially since it was a prototype)? if you can cite documented proof with a link specifically saying so, I'll accept it. I might add that while not a seperate series, G2 Starscream had a more salmon/coral and bluish color scheme than G1 did (pretty much what I saw on the F-15 photos). While the detailing isn't exactly the same, the colors are fairly close. I will also clairify that I didn't mean the Air Force didn't adopt the color scheme BECAUSE of G1, but they just happened to use a similar paint scheme at one time.
::::I'll also remind you that your OPINION of the F-35 is not a fact, but regardless of that I stand by my statement on it.
[[User:Dracokanji|Dracokanji]] 12:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, I am sure. One of the moderators over at Macross World (pretty much chock full of fighter enthusiasts there) provided me with a photo of an F-15 prototype in its original, ugly colours. Same pattern as Classics Starscream, but with a light blue hull colour and orange where red is. G1 SS's own hull colour is close to FS 36375, the main grey used on real F-15's of the 80's.

:::::As for my opinion on the F-35 Lightning II, its fine here on this talk page because its not in the actual article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:26, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Barrel Roll Blaster ==

It's merchandise released to coincide with the movie, yes, but the jet mode isn't particularly based on the design of Movie Starscream, and the hand is pretty clearly based on G1 Starscream. Should the Barrel Roll Blaster be considered a toy for G1 Starscream instead of for Movie Starscream?

(And while we're at it, same thing for the [[Optimus_Prime_(Movie)#Merchandise|Big Rig Blaster]]--the trailer's very G1, the truck cab is halfway between G1 and Movie, and the hand's clearly G1.)

After all, Optimash and the Robot Heroes are getting listed among their G1 counterparts. Are the Nerf guys more G1 or movie?

[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:15, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Amazing, almost as if the movie were part of the g1 continuity family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not particularly, no, considering the design elements that ARE clearly movie or ARE clearly G1 are fairly distinct from one another. I'd say it's more like they were handled by a design team external to the Transformers brand... say, the Nerf team... and weren't given particularly clear instructions on whether to follow a G1 or a Movie aestetic. However, that's just baseless conjecture and is getting off-topic from the question at hand.--[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 08:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say the real reason is they want to use these sculpts after the movie for other lines. I figger that's why the Prime one is some weird place between a flatnose and a longnose semi. You make the fist inside one of those movie claws, and that's gonna be incongruous if you redeco it for Animated or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::That makes just as much sense, if not more. But in any case... does that make them more G1 Character toys than Movie Character toys? --[[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 16:26, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::No. Prime's got the flames, and Starscream's in solid gray. Movie roleplay. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Way to harsh my hellow. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

==Mission City battle details==
In [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Starscream_%28Movie%29&curid=13176&diff=76575&oldid=76454 this revision], FFN added several details including some stuff about the RBFATE that I wanted to get confirmation on: First, that Starscream ''rejoined'' the human raptor squardon and himself fired upon Megatron. Second, that this assault from the jets damaged Megatron's armor, providing a place for Sam to shove the All Spark in. Granted I've only seen the movie twice, but, I didn't pick up on either of those things, even remotely. Are those details from the novelization or comic adaptation? I feel like we should indicate in some way when expanding on movie synopses with supplemental material. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:18, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
: The last missile assault we see shows direct hits on the front of Megatron's chest, and pieces fly all over. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:: However, although it's entirely possible that Starscream takes part in that attack, I don't believe there is enough evidence to state it conclusively in the wiki as it currently appears. It is spec. [[User:Swift|Swift]] 23:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Watching the flick for the 3rd time I specifically looked for this... and dudes, I really don't think it's there. When bombarding Megatron, the F-22s are onscreen for about 1.5 seconds and at a pretty good distance. I didn't see any way to tell any of them apart, let alone identify one of them as Starscream. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:49, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: From what i have seen there is some credebility to the claim. While there is no way to verify if Starscream fired on Megatron i beleive that after Starscream transforms into his altmode for the last time you see him barrel roll to the right as an order to pursue him is given. Immediately after the entire squadren pursues a raptor that is smoking. As far as I can tell that is not Starscream and the military haslost sight of him and mistakenly assumed that due to the heavy beating he has just taken that he must be the most damaged raptor. It trivially worth mentioning that Starscream appears to be fine in his last appearace and no such damage as would indicate that he actually was that plane. Addtionally I would just like to mention one thing, treating this as f it were all true; Starscream tricked the United States military into shooting down one of their own and might have then used that to his advantage to assassinate Megatron. I take back anything and everything i said about movie Starscream being out of character. {{unsigned|68.194.98.116}}

:What you describe here is that the film is ''consistent'' with the idea that Starscream participated in the attack. That is ''very differenet'' than if the film actually ''supported'' that viewpoint. From what have seen, including your description here, there is nothing in the film to support the idea. It is simply one of infinitely many things that are "possible" to have happened offscreen. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 07:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::I should note that at the time of rewriting the fiction section, I did not originate the 'Starscream shooting Megatron' bit. I was unsure so I just left it there. I personally don't believe it until somebody officially confirms it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

==Spare pic==
[[Image:moviescream.jpg|thumb|right|150px|]]

==Masterpiece==
Shouldn't the Masterpiece Starscream section be on the G1 page? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 02:13, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:''"Though the toy is based on G1 Starscream, and the design has been used in appalling G1-universe fiction, it serves double duty as movie Starscream thanks to the Sector Seven alternate-reality game."''
:--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::But doesn't that mean that Grimlock, VW Bunblebee, Kickback, and Laserbeak should also get linked to the movie section? They were in the Sector 7 clips too.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 02:43, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I think those things should all be included as trivia notes, nothing more. Listing Masterpiece Starscream as one of Movie Starscream's toys seems highly dubious to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Starscream's a unique instance, as he's a real movie character. But ff we had a page on N.B.E. Whatevernumber, I'd think that linking him to the G1 toy wouldn't be out of line. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 03:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::::I kinda agree. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Weird that they have the same toy though, almsot liek the movie was part of the Generation 1 Continuity Family... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::You agree There should be a page for every NBE number, listing them as a seperate character?
:::::That doesn't sound like you Walky. -03:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Technically there isn't actually anything internal to the ARG that says that the NBE who was cited multiple times in 1982 is the same character as Movie Starscream, is there? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

== Long time popular character ==

God Damn! Optimus, Megatron and Starscream are the 3 most popular everywhere. The 3 had been featured in Unicron Trilogy, Generation 1 and 2 and almost everywhere. How come Starscream got a high popular rating equal to everyone?

By the way a real F-22 Raptor does bombing runs and anti air roles at the same time. Starscream stands out due to that.(Spearhead 04:10, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Devastator (disambiguation)

2007-10-07T04:00:30Z

Sideways:

The name '''Devastator''' (or "Constructicon Devastator") has been applied to several Transformers characters.

*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] the [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon]] combiner (and later, [[Action Master]]) from [[Generation 1]].

*[[Constructicon Devastator (Micromaster)|Constructicon Devastator]] the Decepticon [[Micromaster]] combiner from [[Universe]].

*[[Constructicon Devastator (Deluxe)|Constructicon Devastator]] the Decepticon combiner from Universe.

*[[Brawl (Movie)|Devastator]] (AKA Brawl) the Decepticon battle tank(Resembles a M1A2 Abrams) from the [[Transformers (2007)|live action movie]].

Devastator/Constructicon Devastator should not be confused with...

*[[Constructicon Maximus]] the Decepticon [[Construction Team]] combiner from [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]].

*[[Destron Sixbuilder]] the Decepticon version of [[Sixbuilder]] from [[Generation 1]].

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Star Saber (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:58:02Z

Sideways: /* Armada cartoon */

{{Template:Disambig3|Star Saber}}

:''The Star Saber is a weapon in the [[Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].

[[Image:ArmStarSaberSword.jpg|thumb|175px|Star Saber! Give me sight beyond sight!]]

The '''Star Saber''' is a weapon created by the combination of the [[Mini-Con]] [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]]. It is among the most powerful weapons in all existence: the only known defense against it is the [[Skyboom (Armada)|Skyboom shield]], though which would give first has yet to be determined. It is also unknown if the Star Saber packs more destructive power than the [[Requiem Blaster]]... but that's all really academic anyway. The point is, the Star Saber can slice and dice pretty much anything within reach, and don't you forget it.

In the hands of those with evil minds, the sword itself sometimes becomes tainted, forming the '''Dark Saber'''.

==Fiction==
===Armada cartoon===
Hot Shot wields it but his recklessness cause it to never be seen near any Autobots ever and ever again. Megatron had kept it after the Hydra Cannon blows up either the nice angel Optimus Prime or Earth. He blown up Optimus Forever and failed to destroy earth. OH MY GOSH THEY KILLED PRIME! Then Cybertronian Motorcycle Sideways took it away from Galvatron forever and stab a wall in Unicrons heart. Causing the ultimate lord of evil come to life.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
In the Dreamwave comics, the very concept of the Star Saber is coined by [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] and it is under his ministrations that the Air Defense team develop this ability to combine. As a result, Megatron is the only individual to wield the Star Saber, and it only appears in its "evil" colors in spite of never being referred to as the Dark Saber.

After escaping Megatron, the Air Defense team do not form the Star Saber again until the Decepticon leader's titanic battle against the [[Herald of Unicron]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Their added power allowed Megatron to prevail, and he impaled his dimension-traveling opponent upon the minicon weapon.

===Panini comics continuity===

==Toys==
===Armada===
*'''Air Defense Team''' (Mini-Con Team, 2002/2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MM-02'''

: A trio of high-tech jets, [[Runway]], [[Jetstorm (Armada)|Jetstorm]] and [[Sonar (Armada)|Sonar]] can combine to form the Star Saber sword, which can be held by any other Transformer that has 5mm fist-holes. The Team's main body is cast in transparent plastic in order to utilize the light-up-fist gimmicks in Super Mode [[optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Takara]] releases of [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]].

: For the Team's [[Takara]] release, they were available both as an individual set, and in a multi-pack with Hot Shot.

: This mold-set was used the make the Takara [[Air Assault Mini-Con Team]], and remolded to make the [[Energon Saber]], [[Blizzard Saber]], and the [[Sky Terror Mini-Con Team]].

*'''Air Defense Micron X-Dimension''' (Mini-Con Team, 2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MM-07'''

: A [[redeco]] of the Air Defense Team was available in a shorter run in Japan. The [[X-Dimension]] Air Defense Team changed the opaque plastics to orange and red, and the paint trim to match. Though fans have dubbed the combined form the "Fire Saber", this name does not appear to be official.

*'''Air Defense Micron''' (Candy toy, 2003)

: Available only in individual boxes each with a small bag of sugar-pellet candy, the [[Kabaya]] [[candy toy]] version of the Team replaced the clear plastics with opaque white. This version is actually a completely new mold-set, with various small differences from the [[Hasbro]]/Takara releases.

*'''Air Defense Micron''' (Micron Booster, 2003)

: Part of the first [[Micron Booster]] set sold only in individual blind-packed boxes, this version of the Team is almost wholly identical to the normal retail release. The only difference is that this version is cast in slightly-sparkly plastic and uses slightly-sparkly paint. The difference is almost unnoticable unless you look at the two versions side-by-side.

*'''Air Assault Team''' (Mini-Con Team, 2003)

: A "tainted by evil" redeco of the Team released by Hasbro, this version of the trio replaces the transparent plastic with opque off-white, the other colors turning predominantly black and purple.

: This coloration was altered for the Takara [[Air Assault Mini-Con Team]], who are separate characters from the Air Defense Team.

*'''Air Defense Micron Anime Color''' (Mini-Con Team, 2003)

: Cast entirely in blue and clear-blue plastics, this incarnation of the Team is supposed to represent the Star Saber as it appears in the cartoon, with a glowing blue "energy blade". It was only available as a pack-in with the CD single of the ''Micron Legend'' cartoon ending theme, "Never Ending Road".

===Merchandise===
*'''Star Saber''' (Role-play toy, 2003)
*'''Dark Saber''' (Role-play toy, 2003)

: Two versions of the same mold in different colors (even with differnet [[paint application]] layouts), the role-play version of the Star Saber / Dark Saber is a toy blade about thirteen inches long. Swinging the toy causes electronic "whooshing" sounds followed by a "clank" of metal-on-metal, the Mini-Con sigil also lights up. Pulling down on the tailfin in the middle of the blade potion swings up a pair of clear-plastic "energy" blades to surround the main one, as well as activating power-up noises. In this form (which is not appreciably longer than the other), swinging the toy produces a more impressive-sounding "crashing" noise after the "whoosh".

*'''Convoy Super Mode''' (Super Collection Figure, 2003)

: A special "chase" version of the Super Mode ''Armada'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] PVC figurine, from "ACT-9" of the [[Super Collection Figure]] series, holds the Star Saber rather than his normal hand-cannon.

*'''Convoy Normal Mode''' (Mega Super Collection Figure, 2003)
:''MSCF ID number:'' '''TF-12'''

: The non-super-mode verison of MSCF ''Armada'' Optimus Prime comes with a large Star Saber accessory: its blade is mainly detail-less clear-blue plastic to resemble its cartoon appearance.

==Trivia==
* In the English dub of the [[Energon]] animated series, after [[Alpha Quintesson]] creates a sword using the comatose [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]'s [[Spark]], he states that it is Megatron's old sword, leading most to believe it is referring to the Star Saber. Given that we see the Air Defense Team flee Unicron's body at the end of Armada and the incredible improbability of them residing in Megatron's decomposing torso, it is wise to bear in mind that Alpha Quintesson and/or the Dubbers is a/are total whackjob(s).

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Talk:Brawl (Movie)

2007-10-07T03:52:30Z

Sideways: /* Don't look like an exact Abrams! */

==Not Megatron comment==

what inspired that? [[USER:GWolf]]
:Many people on various boards who can't get over the fact that movie Megs is neither a gun nor a tank. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:20, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::More specifically, the ones who are ''so'' incapable of getting over it that they form elaborate conspiracy theories about how Megatron will get a tank altmode during the movie and Hasbro decided to call the corresponding toy "Brawl" to keep it a surprise. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 03:29, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Brawl could have easily been named Overkill, if you ask me. His toy has an amount of weapons that border on goofy: His spring loaded cannon on his right arm, the fact that it can swivel 180 to reveal a more accurate to his design Gatling Gun molding, his behind the back secondary guns, his shoulder mounted missile launchers, his twin claw, AND the anti-personal cannon molded onto the twin claw's base. Sheeeeeesh. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 19:30, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

==Devastator==

apparently, when they screened the movie in australia, little thing became apparent. His name's Devestator?

Opened, or screened? Because if it was a pre-screening, it may have been a rough cut of the movie-- several decepticons' names were changes later in production, and Devastator was an early name for Brawl.

You can count on this being corrected for the actual film release. Roberto Orci has [http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=368555&postcount=4479 commented on it.] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

They called it both a special screening event and a premiere. We rock. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:15, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey I just saw the movie on June 29th in a sneak preview in columbus ohio and they called him Devastator. And it seemed like scenes were missing from the movie

:I'm a little confused as to why "Devastator" isn't noted as a mistaken when the only place it appears is a single subtitle line in the actual movie whilst "Brawl" appears on... everything else ever. I mean, a Michael Bay forced mistake is still a mistake.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::"Forced mistake"? If he intended to call the tank Devastator and he called it Devastator, I'm not seeing the mistake. It's clearly different from every other appearance, but unless we're going to make a big deal about how purple cartoon Rumble is a mistake, there's no reason to make it sound like someone didn't know what his name was. "Brawl" is clearly the most parsimonious name for the page, but that doesn't change the fact that his name is Devastator in the movie. -[[User:67.149.204.113|67.149.204.113]] 04:44, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Heh, until the DVD release. I don't see Hasbro sitting by on that one when they've got Brawl stamped on all the merchandise.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:46, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::: Brawl is the better name, they should save devastator for the sequel.

The cinema in Minnesota I just saw the movie at had the 'Devastator' cut. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:Wait, what do you mean? Do you mean "cut" as in "the name Devastator was removed" or "cut" as in "the cut of the film that has Devastator," which would be the same as what everyone else has already seen? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::The version where he's called Devastator. ...is there ''no'' version where he's called Brawl like the said or something? Now you've confused me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:43, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Nope. It's Devastator in every version.

:::Of course, it's still wrong. But there is no cut that says Brawl. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:49, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

::::It says "Brawl" in the credits, though. And as MCRG said, with "Brawl" on all the packaging I'm sure it'll be changed in time for the DVD release. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 02:40, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

So, uh, twice now people have removed the "Brawl (here called "Devastator")" bit from the movie summary with no explanation at all. I think that phrasing is important for the sake of clarification. Otherwise there's no real clear reason for him to be referred to as Devastator in the article as it's never actually stated before there that the name Devastator appears in the movie. Can somebody please justify this? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:It was apparently LV that removed it. After it was put back today, he asked if he was alone in thinking it should be removed. I said it was a little weird to suddenly call the character Devastator with no explanation, and he seemed to give up immediately. I don't recall him actually justifying it, but I think it'd be easiest for you to ask. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:41, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Regarding current edit:
I don't think we should specifically denounce one name over the other, especially in the movie fiction section. Would the "Brawl (here called "Devastator")" thing work for the first mention, then just use pronouns for the rest of this specific section? [[User:Atomic spaceman|Atomic spaceman]] 21:15, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's really denouncing- he was originally named Devastator, but his name was ''later changed'' to Brawl, it just didn't get fixed int he movie.
:Somehow I feel like that sounds ''less'' than, say, Jetfire begin called Skyfire int he Sunbow Cartoon. (I may change my tune if it's not fixed on the DVD) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:08, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

For the film's fiction subsection I have changed his name to Devastator. It's the only name he is given in that story, and the director of the film has apparently said he prefers that name. To me, that makes it his name. He simply has a different name in the film than in all his other appearances. Further: there is still a mention in the trivia that he is credited as Brawl. However, the last time I saw the movie with LV and Walky, they both scanned the voice credits (I was looking elsewhere) and didn't see him credited ''at all'', under either name. Can any editors personally attest to have seen the credit with their own eyes, or are we just repeating Some Guy's claim that it's there? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:35, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

:Old edit of mine from early June for the Sydney June 12th premiere, where the voice actors were finally revealed. IIRC it was posted by one of the people attending and I forgot to edit it out, and I didn't bother hanging around to watch the voice credits myself. Btw, do the Decepticons EVER refer to Sam as anything other than Ladiesman217? That's why I refer to him as such in all the Decepticon writeups I've done. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

==Image==
Does anyone have an actual image of Brawl in robot mode? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:No, he never appeared in any promotional materials to my knowledge, and is BARELY seen in only some of the tv spots. The first time we saw his movie design (and not just his toy) was that leaked concept design sheet at TFW2005. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:44, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::He shows up in various heavily illustrated material, but in group shots. Let me think...He's in the movie comic adaptation, and various storybooks. Meet The Decepticons (group shot), Movie Storybook (likely same), and so forth. If you want a render, it seems unlikely.
:::Doublechecked various books. Seems like the best image of Brawl we'll get is his first appearance in bot mode from the Movie adapation comic. Beyond that, he's either lost in crowds, or not drawn well. Or cropped badly. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 21:25, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::::The game guide has a pretty large promo render of Brawl. There are a couple screen shots clipping him, but I'll see what I can do. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::So now that Brawl's gotten a released to the public concept art, we gonna ditch the CG one from the game, or keep using him? --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 01:14, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::There is? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:54, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Devastator and Michael Bay ==

"When queried, director Michael Bay said he had always preferred Devastator and that it is not a mistake."

I'd like to see a source for this. 'Cuz for everyone who brings this up, there's someone who will claim that Bay confirmed it as an error that will get fixed for the DVD. So unless someone can cite a source, I'm inclined to call this (as well as the "fixed for the DVD" version) a "fan rumor".

Oh, and "I seem to recall" or "I think I read somewhere" is not a source.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 22:47, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

: Then fix it yourself. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:17, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I can find it I think. Also, anyone remember his "If I wanna paint my house green" thing over flmaes and Prime s

== Don't look like an exact Abrams! ==

That thing looks like a hybrid tank. A tank built by Cybertronians and Marine Corps. That thing looks like a weird tank.

He is dang right. He is Like a CYBERTRONIAN/Earth Tank to me.(Spearhead 03:52, 7 October 2007 (UTC))<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Flight

2007-10-07T03:50:59Z

Sideways:

'''Flight''' is a capability many mechanoids and no few [[Transformer]]s have, whether through rocket boosters, propellers, or even flapping wings. It has proven quite useful strategically in many continuities. Usually evil Decepticons turn into jets like Megatron in Animated.

==Jet-powered flight==
The most common means by which Transformers fly is some variation on jet-propulsion engines, rocket engines, or similar. Transformers such as the [[Seekers]] have such thrusters built into their legs, while other individuals such as [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] possess removable jet-packs which strap to their backs.

===Transformers with jet-powered flight===
*[[Inferno (BW)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)|Transmetal Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Primal]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)]]

==Propeller-powered flight==
Sometimes, by virtue of a Transformer's [[alternate mode]], they can fly by means more primitive than they might be accustomed to on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Using airplane propellers, helicoptor rotors, or other similar technologies they can fly at speeds comparable to native aircraft on the worlds they are residing upon.

===Transformers with propeller-powered flight===
* [[Divebomb (Classics)|''Classics'' Divebomb]]
* [[Obsidian (BM)]]

==Biological flight==
Many transformers have a physical pair of beast-mode wings, whether natural-looking or mechanical. In these cases, the transformer's flight derives from flapping these wings or gliding much like an animal would.

===Transformers with biological flight===
*[[Divebomb (G1)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)|Transmetal 2 Megatron]]
*[[Nightscream (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Nightscream]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Fuzor Silverbolt]]
*[[Waspinator]]

==Levitation==
Some Transformers just float, often by no apparent means. It isn't always that well explained in the fiction, though certainly there exist transformers with anti-gravity generators and other technologies which allow them to maneuver effortlessly even within a gravitational field.

===Transformers with levitation===
*[[Shockwave (G1)]]
*[[Sky-Byte]]

==Robot-mode flight==

Robot-mode flight powers are an innovative power that allows [[Transformer]]s without a flight based [[alternate mode]] to fly while in robot mode. The [[Decepticon]]s make good use of this power.

Sometimes the [[Autobot]]s have them....sometimes they don't. Most often they display them early in Season 1 of the US cartoon, particularly the pilot. It is uncertain if they require external equipment to fly; several times the Autobots used strap-on jet packs or rocket packs, but sometimes they don't.

Robot-mode flight was prevalent in the post-movie episodes, in which the focus was shifted to space (perhaps, taking a hint from the Gundam franchise.) As although some characters could not fly under the influence of a planets gravity, 'everyone' seemed to posses the power of flight in deep space.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
Robot-mode flight powers were a technological innovation that allowed the Decepticons, who had just mastered the art of [[Transformation]], to start a [[Great War|new war]] and battle the Autobots for supremacy of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Their initial attacks were not a matter of public knowledge, and some Autobots, such as [[Orion Pax]] and [[Dion]], admired them for their innovations. This admiration was ended when [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] blasted Orion, Dion, and [[Ariel]]. It was to Megatron's detriment, however, for [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] rebuilt Orion and Ariel into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

Eventually, the Autobots also mastered robot-mode flight powers, and they used them to reach an oil rig which the Decepticons were plundering. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}} Ironhide and Bluestreak pursued the fleeing Decepticons into the air, though Skywarp had little difficulty shooting down Ironhide. Optimus required the use of [[Sideswipe]]'s rocket pack to catch up to the space-bound [[Decepticon space cruiser|Decepticon ship]] shortly afterwards, implying a limit on the speed or range of his flight capabilities. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}} Sideswipe and [[Sunstreaker]] also used robot-mode flight powers in their use of [[jet judo]] against [[seeker]]s attacking the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]]. {{storylink|Roll For It}}

The Autobots' ability to fly in robot mode effectively vanished after that. To reach Dinobot Island, Optimus Prime and a crew of Autobots used strap-on jetpacks. Even Autobots with flying alternate modes did not seem able to fly in robot mode, though [[Cosmos]] seemed able to maneuver in space while in robot mode.

The newly-created Dinobots could fly in robot mode, an abiliy they consistently demonstrated throughout their history. Their creator [[Wheeljack]] was also shown flying in robot mode apparently unassisted, an ability his [[tech spec]] claims for him. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

In the years following the defeat of Unicron, a number of Autobots were seen to fly through space without any visible aid or means of propulsion. Notable among them was Perceptor, who had never before demonstrated such an ability. Before one such instance, Sky Lynx advised the Autobots in question to "don your rocket packs, gentlemen!" The Technobots all flew in robot mode from Earth to Saturn's moon Titan.

Despite the Autobots' rare display of this ability, some claim they do not have it at all. [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] once said outright that "Autobots cannot fly," himself flying easily over a booby trap, while his apparently earthbound Autobot companions remained helpless. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

===Beast Wars cartoon===

Early in this series, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] had a tactical advantage due to the imbalance of flight-capable individuals in their faction. Initially, only [[Optimus Primal]] could provide air support for the [[Maximal]]s, and then only in robot-mode which was risky in the [[energon]]-rich enviroment. However as more [[Protoform]]s were formatted and pressed into service, particularly [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], the balance of forces was more even.

Sufficient volumes of energon itself, of a certain instability, are said to have the ability to cause large objects to float {{storylink|Power Surge}}.

[[Transmutate]] had an apparently unique flight mechanism: it extended a crystalline object from within its body, and when the crystal was exposed to air it gave off an intense energy field and then caused its user to levitate. Since Transmutate was a malformed, incomplete design, this might have been a display of widespread Transformer flight technology that otherwise would always be internal and unseen.

===IDW comics===

Back before the war, information on scientific breakthroughs in levitation/"repulsors" that could lead to robot-mode flight abillities catches the greedy optics of Senator [[Ratbat]] who manipulates the stock to tack control. Given that he offers a variety of war-tech to the fledgling Decepticons under Megatron this is may be intended as reference to or origin for their robot-form flight abilities; however, the Decepticons have demonstrated no such abilities in the IDW continuity. This may be an artifact of this storyline's planning and even possible scripting during the latter days before the [[Dreamwave]] bankruptcy.

[[Category:Transformer anatomy]]

==Unicron Trilogy==
Only Armored Space Shuttles and any jet from earth or Cybertron can fly. All others must catch a ride on the flyers including the permanently and forever a sports car [[Hot Shot]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Flight

2007-10-07T03:50:15Z

Sideways: /* IDW comics */

'''Flight''' is a capability many mechanoids and no few [[Transformer]]s have, whether through rocket boosters, propellers, or even flapping wings. It has proven quite useful strategically in many continuities.

==Jet-powered flight==
The most common means by which Transformers fly is some variation on jet-propulsion engines, rocket engines, or similar. Transformers such as the [[Seekers]] have such thrusters built into their legs, while other individuals such as [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] possess removable jet-packs which strap to their backs.

===Transformers with jet-powered flight===
*[[Inferno (BW)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)|Transmetal Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Primal]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)]]

==Propeller-powered flight==
Sometimes, by virtue of a Transformer's [[alternate mode]], they can fly by means more primitive than they might be accustomed to on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Using airplane propellers, helicoptor rotors, or other similar technologies they can fly at speeds comparable to native aircraft on the worlds they are residing upon.

===Transformers with propeller-powered flight===
* [[Divebomb (Classics)|''Classics'' Divebomb]]
* [[Obsidian (BM)]]

==Biological flight==
Many transformers have a physical pair of beast-mode wings, whether natural-looking or mechanical. In these cases, the transformer's flight derives from flapping these wings or gliding much like an animal would.

===Transformers with biological flight===
*[[Divebomb (G1)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)|Transmetal 2 Megatron]]
*[[Nightscream (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Nightscream]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Fuzor Silverbolt]]
*[[Waspinator]]

==Levitation==
Some Transformers just float, often by no apparent means. It isn't always that well explained in the fiction, though certainly there exist transformers with anti-gravity generators and other technologies which allow them to maneuver effortlessly even within a gravitational field.

===Transformers with levitation===
*[[Shockwave (G1)]]
*[[Sky-Byte]]

==Robot-mode flight==

Robot-mode flight powers are an innovative power that allows [[Transformer]]s without a flight based [[alternate mode]] to fly while in robot mode. The [[Decepticon]]s make good use of this power.

Sometimes the [[Autobot]]s have them....sometimes they don't. Most often they display them early in Season 1 of the US cartoon, particularly the pilot. It is uncertain if they require external equipment to fly; several times the Autobots used strap-on jet packs or rocket packs, but sometimes they don't.

Robot-mode flight was prevalent in the post-movie episodes, in which the focus was shifted to space (perhaps, taking a hint from the Gundam franchise.) As although some characters could not fly under the influence of a planets gravity, 'everyone' seemed to posses the power of flight in deep space.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
Robot-mode flight powers were a technological innovation that allowed the Decepticons, who had just mastered the art of [[Transformation]], to start a [[Great War|new war]] and battle the Autobots for supremacy of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Their initial attacks were not a matter of public knowledge, and some Autobots, such as [[Orion Pax]] and [[Dion]], admired them for their innovations. This admiration was ended when [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] blasted Orion, Dion, and [[Ariel]]. It was to Megatron's detriment, however, for [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] rebuilt Orion and Ariel into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

Eventually, the Autobots also mastered robot-mode flight powers, and they used them to reach an oil rig which the Decepticons were plundering. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}} Ironhide and Bluestreak pursued the fleeing Decepticons into the air, though Skywarp had little difficulty shooting down Ironhide. Optimus required the use of [[Sideswipe]]'s rocket pack to catch up to the space-bound [[Decepticon space cruiser|Decepticon ship]] shortly afterwards, implying a limit on the speed or range of his flight capabilities. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}} Sideswipe and [[Sunstreaker]] also used robot-mode flight powers in their use of [[jet judo]] against [[seeker]]s attacking the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]]. {{storylink|Roll For It}}

The Autobots' ability to fly in robot mode effectively vanished after that. To reach Dinobot Island, Optimus Prime and a crew of Autobots used strap-on jetpacks. Even Autobots with flying alternate modes did not seem able to fly in robot mode, though [[Cosmos]] seemed able to maneuver in space while in robot mode.

The newly-created Dinobots could fly in robot mode, an abiliy they consistently demonstrated throughout their history. Their creator [[Wheeljack]] was also shown flying in robot mode apparently unassisted, an ability his [[tech spec]] claims for him. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

In the years following the defeat of Unicron, a number of Autobots were seen to fly through space without any visible aid or means of propulsion. Notable among them was Perceptor, who had never before demonstrated such an ability. Before one such instance, Sky Lynx advised the Autobots in question to "don your rocket packs, gentlemen!" The Technobots all flew in robot mode from Earth to Saturn's moon Titan.

Despite the Autobots' rare display of this ability, some claim they do not have it at all. [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] once said outright that "Autobots cannot fly," himself flying easily over a booby trap, while his apparently earthbound Autobot companions remained helpless. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

===Beast Wars cartoon===

Early in this series, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] had a tactical advantage due to the imbalance of flight-capable individuals in their faction. Initially, only [[Optimus Primal]] could provide air support for the [[Maximal]]s, and then only in robot-mode which was risky in the [[energon]]-rich enviroment. However as more [[Protoform]]s were formatted and pressed into service, particularly [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], the balance of forces was more even.

Sufficient volumes of energon itself, of a certain instability, are said to have the ability to cause large objects to float {{storylink|Power Surge}}.

[[Transmutate]] had an apparently unique flight mechanism: it extended a crystalline object from within its body, and when the crystal was exposed to air it gave off an intense energy field and then caused its user to levitate. Since Transmutate was a malformed, incomplete design, this might have been a display of widespread Transformer flight technology that otherwise would always be internal and unseen.

===IDW comics===

Back before the war, information on scientific breakthroughs in levitation/"repulsors" that could lead to robot-mode flight abillities catches the greedy optics of Senator [[Ratbat]] who manipulates the stock to tack control. Given that he offers a variety of war-tech to the fledgling Decepticons under Megatron this is may be intended as reference to or origin for their robot-form flight abilities; however, the Decepticons have demonstrated no such abilities in the IDW continuity. This may be an artifact of this storyline's planning and even possible scripting during the latter days before the [[Dreamwave]] bankruptcy.

[[Category:Transformer anatomy]]

==Unicron Trilogy==
Only Armored Space Shuttles and any jet from earth or Cybertron can fly. All others must catch a ride on the flyers including the permanently and forever a sports car [[Hot Shot]].<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Flight

2007-10-07T03:48:00Z

Sideways: /* Transformers with jet-powered flight */

'''Flight''' is a capability many mechanoids and no few [[Transformer]]s have, whether through rocket boosters, propellers, or even flapping wings. It has proven quite useful strategically in many continuities.

==Jet-powered flight==
The most common means by which Transformers fly is some variation on jet-propulsion engines, rocket engines, or similar. Transformers such as the [[Seekers]] have such thrusters built into their legs, while other individuals such as [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] possess removable jet-packs which strap to their backs.

===Transformers with jet-powered flight===
*[[Inferno (BW)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)|Transmetal Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Primal]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)]]
*Over way to much characters in Transformers Cybertron and no Autobot in Animated cartoon.
*Transformers Cybertron Triple challengers Galvatron and Optimus Prime.
*Every and all Jetfire

==Propeller-powered flight==
Sometimes, by virtue of a Transformer's [[alternate mode]], they can fly by means more primitive than they might be accustomed to on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Using airplane propellers, helicoptor rotors, or other similar technologies they can fly at speeds comparable to native aircraft on the worlds they are residing upon.

===Transformers with propeller-powered flight===
* [[Divebomb (Classics)|''Classics'' Divebomb]]
* [[Obsidian (BM)]]

==Biological flight==
Many transformers have a physical pair of beast-mode wings, whether natural-looking or mechanical. In these cases, the transformer's flight derives from flapping these wings or gliding much like an animal would.

===Transformers with biological flight===
*[[Divebomb (G1)]]
*[[Megatron (BW)|Transmetal 2 Megatron]]
*[[Nightscream (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Nightscream]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Fuzor Silverbolt]]
*[[Waspinator]]

==Levitation==
Some Transformers just float, often by no apparent means. It isn't always that well explained in the fiction, though certainly there exist transformers with anti-gravity generators and other technologies which allow them to maneuver effortlessly even within a gravitational field.

===Transformers with levitation===
*[[Shockwave (G1)]]
*[[Sky-Byte]]

==Robot-mode flight==

Robot-mode flight powers are an innovative power that allows [[Transformer]]s without a flight based [[alternate mode]] to fly while in robot mode. The [[Decepticon]]s make good use of this power.

Sometimes the [[Autobot]]s have them....sometimes they don't. Most often they display them early in Season 1 of the US cartoon, particularly the pilot. It is uncertain if they require external equipment to fly; several times the Autobots used strap-on jet packs or rocket packs, but sometimes they don't.

Robot-mode flight was prevalent in the post-movie episodes, in which the focus was shifted to space (perhaps, taking a hint from the Gundam franchise.) As although some characters could not fly under the influence of a planets gravity, 'everyone' seemed to posses the power of flight in deep space.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
Robot-mode flight powers were a technological innovation that allowed the Decepticons, who had just mastered the art of [[Transformation]], to start a [[Great War|new war]] and battle the Autobots for supremacy of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Their initial attacks were not a matter of public knowledge, and some Autobots, such as [[Orion Pax]] and [[Dion]], admired them for their innovations. This admiration was ended when [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] blasted Orion, Dion, and [[Ariel]]. It was to Megatron's detriment, however, for [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] rebuilt Orion and Ariel into [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

Eventually, the Autobots also mastered robot-mode flight powers, and they used them to reach an oil rig which the Decepticons were plundering. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}} Ironhide and Bluestreak pursued the fleeing Decepticons into the air, though Skywarp had little difficulty shooting down Ironhide. Optimus required the use of [[Sideswipe]]'s rocket pack to catch up to the space-bound [[Decepticon space cruiser|Decepticon ship]] shortly afterwards, implying a limit on the speed or range of his flight capabilities. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}} Sideswipe and [[Sunstreaker]] also used robot-mode flight powers in their use of [[jet judo]] against [[seeker]]s attacking the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]]. {{storylink|Roll For It}}

The Autobots' ability to fly in robot mode effectively vanished after that. To reach Dinobot Island, Optimus Prime and a crew of Autobots used strap-on jetpacks. Even Autobots with flying alternate modes did not seem able to fly in robot mode, though [[Cosmos]] seemed able to maneuver in space while in robot mode.

The newly-created Dinobots could fly in robot mode, an abiliy they consistently demonstrated throughout their history. Their creator [[Wheeljack]] was also shown flying in robot mode apparently unassisted, an ability his [[tech spec]] claims for him. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

In the years following the defeat of Unicron, a number of Autobots were seen to fly through space without any visible aid or means of propulsion. Notable among them was Perceptor, who had never before demonstrated such an ability. Before one such instance, Sky Lynx advised the Autobots in question to "don your rocket packs, gentlemen!" The Technobots all flew in robot mode from Earth to Saturn's moon Titan.

Despite the Autobots' rare display of this ability, some claim they do not have it at all. [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] once said outright that "Autobots cannot fly," himself flying easily over a booby trap, while his apparently earthbound Autobot companions remained helpless. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}

===Beast Wars cartoon===

Early in this series, the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] had a tactical advantage due to the imbalance of flight-capable individuals in their faction. Initially, only [[Optimus Primal]] could provide air support for the [[Maximal]]s, and then only in robot-mode which was risky in the [[energon]]-rich enviroment. However as more [[Protoform]]s were formatted and pressed into service, particularly [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]], the balance of forces was more even.

Sufficient volumes of energon itself, of a certain instability, are said to have the ability to cause large objects to float {{storylink|Power Surge}}.

[[Transmutate]] had an apparently unique flight mechanism: it extended a crystalline object from within its body, and when the crystal was exposed to air it gave off an intense energy field and then caused its user to levitate. Since Transmutate was a malformed, incomplete design, this might have been a display of widespread Transformer flight technology that otherwise would always be internal and unseen.

===IDW comics===

Back before the war, information on scientific breakthroughs in levitation/"repulsors" that could lead to robot-mode flight abillities catches the greedy optics of Senator [[Ratbat]] who manipulates the stock to tack control. Given that he offers a variety of war-tech to the fledgling Decepticons under Megatron this is may be intended as reference to or origin for their robot-form flight abilities; however, the Decepticons have demonstrated no such abilities in the IDW continuity. This may be an artifact of this storyline's planning and even possible scripting during the latter days before the [[Dreamwave]] bankruptcy.

[[Category:Transformer anatomy]]<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Thrust (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:45:09Z

Sideways: /* Problem */

Talk:Demolishor (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:45:05Z

Sideways: /* Something not right */

==McWherevers==
So, uh, this page says Demolishor was one of two sets of Happy Meal toys from Europe. As far as I was aware, one set was from Europe, and the other (which included Demolishor) was from MEXICO. Am I remembering things wrong? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
: Monzo remembers Mexico too, so I'm gonna alter the entry to reflect that for the time being...
: Who else was in this second set, and did they include the "energon cube" gimmicks? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

----

I can't find it in the Prima guide, which is where I would have assumed it was, so it must have been in an interview back when the game came out. At some point, someone from Melbourne House said the reason Demolishor was dropped from the game was that he was ultimately too similar to Megatron, being another tank and all. -[[User:LV|LV]] 21:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Something not right ==

Where is Demolisher in Transformers Cybertron? Where is a photo of him? Where is he? Assaulthead 8-5-07

He had a toy in Cybertron. It was a Redeco of his armada toy with a cyber key replacing his mini-con.--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

Well Show a photo of him in vehicle mode and his cyber planet key. Assaulthead 8-5-07

Yes. What he said. Put a photo of Cybertron Demolisher because I can't upload anything or know how. I'm just a real kid using the username until somebody hacked into mine.
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Talk:Megatron (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:45:00Z

Sideways: /* That is one weird tank. */

I wonder if perhaps Unicron's armour is all Megatron has, or whether he may not have absorbed portions of Unicron's spark, in a similar way to Starscream stealing portions of Primus's power.

Certainly the thought makes the battles between Starscream, Megatron and Prime far more symbolic if this is true. It would also help explain the reformatting into the Galvatron of this universe, echoing the G1 story.

Or am I reading too much into that? -TTK

What's wrong with the little note about Dark Nitro Convoy? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It belongs on Dark Nitro Convoy's page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Then shouldn't the Dark Ligerjack stuff be on his page??? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
: Because we watch him reformat Nemesis Breaker on the show. Dark Nitro Convoy's origin is a note on her toy bio.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah ok! [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
P.S. it's "his" :p [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

== Megatron's a more powerful Galvatron?!!! ==

Even though it's kinda obvious, but wouldn't it be interesting to note Energon Megatron looks like a souped up G1 Galvatron? [[User:Darth Imabell|<font color=red>Darth</font>]][[User Talk:Darth Imabell|<font color=goldenrod>Imabell</font>]] 21:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, take a look at his Japanese Superlink name, and at the Trivia section. In Japan his name is Galvatron (and the purple repaint is called Galvatron General) and a working name for him in Energon was going to be Galvatron Imperius.

== That is one weird tank. ==

Is that thing strong as an Abrams Tank or powerful than Mammoth Tanks?
(Spearhead 03:45, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

== Triple Changer? ==

Megs is currently in the Triple Changer category. Is he officially a Triple Changer, or just a Transformer with three modes? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:IIRC, Cybertron Megatron's product solicitation called him a "Triple-Changer." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Separate article? ==

This is just something I'm wondering about, but considering the excessive differences between Galaxy Force and Cybertron, as well as the fact that Master Megatron is clearly not meant to be the same character as Armada Megatron, if Master Megatron and other Galaxy Force characters shouldn't have their own pages. Characters like Megs, Noisemaze, Sonic Bomber and Nitro Convoy would definitely benefit from it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:Characterisation of Megs, as well as the other characters are largely the same anyway. Just that some events are different. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Brawl (G1)

2007-10-07T03:44:55Z

Sideways:

Okay, so Art of War, issue 3. The Decepticon HQ is referred to as the "TEMPORARY BASE OF THE NEW DECEPTICON ARMY". I personally don't read that as calling out the "New Decepticon Army" as a proper noun, meriting its own article. Thoughts? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 18:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Me either. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Brawltww.jpg|left|thumb|150px|This... is my BOOMSTICK!]]
Hey! I saw a tank called the Mammoth Tank. The vehicle mode Brawl turn into is looking like a Mammoth Tank from C&C. Did you put something from C&C on the Transformers Wiki?!! This is a Transformers Wiki not its rival the C&C Wiki!
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Talk:Transformers Animated (franchise)

2007-10-07T03:44:52Z

Sideways: /* Is the Autobots always going to be the Civilian ground vehicle? */

You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but you're getting a little too kneejerk about other people's kneejerk reactions. The list of previous series is fine and adaquately snarky, but is the "OMFG NAFF PASS END OF FRANCHISE SUX GONNA KILL TFS BARF CRAP" really needed? Just seems a bit more negatively charged than the wiki really needs.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 05:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:And I would have just edited it out, but I figured it would be more productive to discuss it first. 'Course, it seems Rotty took care of it anyway. :D--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 06:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

This article should really be at [[Animated]], shouldn't it? We don't have anything at [[Transformers Cybertron]], [[Transformers Armada]], etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno. Considering the size of "Animated" compared to the REST of the logo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I think it should remain [[Transformers Animated]]. Just [[Animated]] is too confusing, and we can justifiably called it Transformers Animated by the logo. Go with the less confusing one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::It's confusing ANYWAY, since we now have the term "Transformers Animated continuity" to refer to Transformers Animated and "Animated continuity" to refer to the G1 cartoons. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 06:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Well if we just went with [[Animated]] we'd have an article named [[Animated (cartoon)]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::::And if this franchise gets a comic, we'll have the "Animated animated continuity" and the "Animated comics continuity." Heh. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::::And then if there's an official Flash animated comic strip, we'd have "animated continuity", "Animated animated continuity", "Animated comic continuity", and "animated comic continuity". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 09:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== TFA abbreviation? ==

I think, because of how common a word "animated" is and how many things on this Wiki it could refer to we should stick to the full "Transformers: Animated" to avoid confusion or weirdness. I'd also suggest the abreviation "TFA" to be its descriptor, thusly [[Optimus Prime (TFA)]].--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know. I'd prefer to stick with Animated. We could always change other uses of the phrase "animated continuity" to "cartoon continuity" if it became too confusing. Which might be a good idea anyway, given the use of (cartoon) for article titles. At any rate, we've got quite a a bit of time before we'll actually need to start making articles about this franchise. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::I know it seems to be the way we're going, and so be it if so, but I want to state that, convention be damned, I really think refering to this continuity as JUST "Animated" is both counterintuitive and uneedingly confusing. There are times when breaking convention serves everyone better. The chategory "Animated characters" for instance is just screaming to be missunderstood. I just think the full Transformers: Animated, TF: Animated, or abreviating TFA would all be better choices. Just wanted to say it, however we finally choose to go.--ZacWilliam 03:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see how "Transformers Animated characters" is any less confusing than "Animated characters" to a casual browser. It's not like that adjective narrows anything down on this wiki. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps not, but [[Transformers: Animated]] is considerably less confusing than either. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Except the series isn't "Transformers: Animated". The press materials call it --and even THEY put it in quotes-- "Transformers Animated". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::That's their problem. Why does that necessarily dictate our category names?
::::::We use <nowiki>[[Category: Beast Wars]] and not [[Category: Beast Wars Transformers]]</nowiki> even though the latter is the name of the franchise. We adjusted it to fit our needs. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was going to abbreviate this series "AN," until I realized that talking about "AN episode" or "AN Optimus Prime" just makes you look like you're trying to be a hairsplitter. Transformers has been ruined, or at least my system of talking about it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: Worse what hapens when there are multiple and you have to talk about "an AN episode" or "An An Optimus" that's just plain aweful. That's why I'm saying "TFA" I mean "TFA Megatron" or a "TFA episode" works fine.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::: You mean Transformers Armada Megatron or a Transformers Armada episode? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, if "Arm" and "UT" weren't pretty well established maybe, even so I'd call it the less confusing of the options other than just using the whole word as Derik says below, wich is slightly long to type, but IS plenty clear for a character tag I guess. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Arm" is well-established? I've never SEEN it before! But I've seen TFA used for it plenty of times. But as Derik says, it's an irrelevant topic for the wiki, as nothing will have to abbreviate it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: ...how did this subject move to the disambig suffixes? Those will be (Animated). They're less prone to confusion than the categories and article titles. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I move this discussion be '''shelved for a few months''' in the hopes that an appropriate nomenclature will arise in the fandom we can use. The series is slated for 2008, the scale of the changes we'll need to make this fall (if we choose to make changes) will still be manageable. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

==Scale==
Am I the only one who thinks there are going to be scale issues coming? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:How would you even define "scale issues" in relation to TFs. Nothing Transformers has EVER been in scale with anything else.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe he's referrign to he fact that Ratchet seems to be ''exactly'' the same size in vehicle mode (which we will be able to see at some point) but it the size of Bulkhead's forearm in robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It's interesting, but given all the size changing in G1 between modes (and not even the really obvious stuff) it's never going to be enough to put even a dent in the vast and eldritch disregard the Transformers franchise has always held for scale.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

===Sarcasm===

Am I the only one who thinks the level of sarcasm on this page is a bit much. We get the point.
:I kind of agree. The series isn't even out yet but already this page seems dated--it's like a time capsule to June. Lemme work on it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think it would be a disservice to not note the FACT that vast swaths of fandom treated this series as Worse Than Hitler at first glance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:::It is noted, in the second paragraph commenting on the inital over reaction. But the rest is just...well, mean really. I din't like the designs when the image was released either, but I'm looking forward to the series now. It just seems to be kinda nasty at the basic heart of it all.

:::Anyone think we need a <nowiki>{{toosnarky}}</nowiki> template? There's a lot of snark sneaking into articles that ought not be as snarky lately. We're weed-whacking it back into place with relative ease at the moment- but I think that for a lot of new users, the discussions about ''de-snarking'' are relatively invisible, while the snark in articles is easy to see. This creates a positive feedback scenario, where they perceive forces only encouraging the addition of snark, and do not notice the need for its moderation.
:::I believe a de-snarking "It's been suggested this page has too much funny and it's interfering with the delivery of information" template would make the need for it not to ''get in the way'' of articles more visible to users, who otherwise only see the jokes. (While also articulating to the anti-humor assholes that we're okay with humor as long as it ''doesn't'' interfere with the delivery of information.) -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 00:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:but that doesn't point out something like "excessive sarcasm that just seems to be in for the wrong reasons". Which I think is the main problem. Funny good, gittery, bad. {{unsigned|84.18.160.11}}

::::I'd proposed an "excessive sarcasm" template or somesuch before. I even have the image to use and quote...
::::[[Image:Rattrap-smirk.gif]] "No, I mean take a ''submarine''!"
::::(Yeah, the image is from a different episode and quote, but I don't care.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
::::[[Image:Toosnarky1.jpg]]
::::Man, it's hard to find a good Nightbeat icon for that which doesn't need dialogue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Heh. Well, I want to have a BW-based template in there SOMEWHERE... and Rattrap and sarcasm just GO together. Wanna make sure our templates have franchise variety. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== Is the Autobots always going to be the Civilian ground vehicle? ==

Is the Autobots(Automobile bots) going to be civilian ground vehicles like cars again, not anything flying nor military vehicles like C-17 Globemaster IIIs? Is the Decepticons going to be the military vehicles and flying vehicles like always? The Decepticons are known for their air power due to the Seekers. I hope you know it.

:The Animated Autobots already have a non-civilian vehicle alt-mode: Ratchet (and the Dinobots aren't even vehicles). Police and Fire& Rescue vehicles are by definition not-civilian. There's only been a few time that the vehicular Autobots were all ground vehicles: G1 in 1984, RID prior to the release of Storm Jet (and all of ''Car Robots'') ''Armada'' prior to the release of Jetfire, and Classics prior to the release of Jetfire. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

You didn't answer the Decepticon question! How the fuck am I going to know that the factions are going to be unbalanced. OH by the way, The funny Stays!

Why you didn't answer these questions?

Why you ignore these questions?

:Well the main character Autobots are not warriors, just "repair-bots", so they're altmodes are simple ground based service vehicles. Probably there will be more military like ones in the future, like Sentinel Prime. -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 13:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Autobot is actually Automobilebots due to most of them are cars. Look at a list of Generation 1 Autobots to find out. Plus I see no animated Autobot that is at least Military! The Decepticons are always jets and Military vehicles like Devastator/Brawl.
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Talk:Crosswise (Cybertron)

2007-10-07T03:44:48Z

Sideways:

Where is his photo of him or something? The photo is actually blank!
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Talk:Starscream (disambiguation)

2007-10-07T03:44:42Z

Sideways:

Let me guess. He only turns into American Air Superiority jets and Cybertronian jets right?
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Talk:Thrust (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:39:53Z

Sideways: /* Problem */

Talk:Demolishor (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:38:10Z

Sideways: /* Something not right */

==McWherevers==
So, uh, this page says Demolishor was one of two sets of Happy Meal toys from Europe. As far as I was aware, one set was from Europe, and the other (which included Demolishor) was from MEXICO. Am I remembering things wrong? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:35, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
: Monzo remembers Mexico too, so I'm gonna alter the entry to reflect that for the time being...
: Who else was in this second set, and did they include the "energon cube" gimmicks? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

----

I can't find it in the Prima guide, which is where I would have assumed it was, so it must have been in an interview back when the game came out. At some point, someone from Melbourne House said the reason Demolishor was dropped from the game was that he was ultimately too similar to Megatron, being another tank and all. -[[User:LV|LV]] 21:48, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Something not right ==

Where is Demolisher in Transformers Cybertron? Where is a photo of him? Where is he? Assaulthead 8-5-07

He had a toy in Cybertron. It was a Redeco of his armada toy with a cyber key replacing his mini-con.--[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

Well Show a photo of him in vehicle mode and his cyber planet key. Assaulthead 8-5-07

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Talk:Megatron (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:36:21Z

Sideways: /* That is one weird tank. */

I wonder if perhaps Unicron's armour is all Megatron has, or whether he may not have absorbed portions of Unicron's spark, in a similar way to Starscream stealing portions of Primus's power.

Certainly the thought makes the battles between Starscream, Megatron and Prime far more symbolic if this is true. It would also help explain the reformatting into the Galvatron of this universe, echoing the G1 story.

Or am I reading too much into that? -TTK

What's wrong with the little note about Dark Nitro Convoy? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:33, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

It belongs on Dark Nitro Convoy's page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Then shouldn't the Dark Ligerjack stuff be on his page??? [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:35, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
: Because we watch him reformat Nemesis Breaker on the show. Dark Nitro Convoy's origin is a note on her toy bio.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Ah ok! [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
P.S. it's "his" :p [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

== Megatron's a more powerful Galvatron?!!! ==

Even though it's kinda obvious, but wouldn't it be interesting to note Energon Megatron looks like a souped up G1 Galvatron? [[User:Darth Imabell|<font color=red>Darth</font>]][[User Talk:Darth Imabell|<font color=goldenrod>Imabell</font>]] 21:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, take a look at his Japanese Superlink name, and at the Trivia section. In Japan his name is Galvatron (and the purple repaint is called Galvatron General) and a working name for him in Energon was going to be Galvatron Imperius.

== That is one weird tank. ==

Is that thing strong as an Abrams Tank or powerful than Mammoth Tanks?

== Triple Changer? ==

Megs is currently in the Triple Changer category. Is he officially a Triple Changer, or just a Transformer with three modes? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:05, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:IIRC, Cybertron Megatron's product solicitation called him a "Triple-Changer." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:39, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

== Separate article? ==

This is just something I'm wondering about, but considering the excessive differences between Galaxy Force and Cybertron, as well as the fact that Master Megatron is clearly not meant to be the same character as Armada Megatron, if Master Megatron and other Galaxy Force characters shouldn't have their own pages. Characters like Megs, Noisemaze, Sonic Bomber and Nitro Convoy would definitely benefit from it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
:Characterisation of Megs, as well as the other characters are largely the same anyway. Just that some events are different. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:20, 21 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Brawl (G1)

2007-10-07T03:34:55Z

Sideways:

Okay, so Art of War, issue 3. The Decepticon HQ is referred to as the "TEMPORARY BASE OF THE NEW DECEPTICON ARMY". I personally don't read that as calling out the "New Decepticon Army" as a proper noun, meriting its own article. Thoughts? [[User:Chip|Chip]] 18:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:Me either. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Brawltww.jpg|left|thumb|150px|This... is my BOOMSTICK!]]
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Talk:Transformers Animated (franchise)

2007-10-07T03:32:07Z

Sideways: /* Is the Autobots always going to be the Civilian ground vehicle? */

You know, I wasn't going to say anything, but you're getting a little too kneejerk about other people's kneejerk reactions. The list of previous series is fine and adaquately snarky, but is the "OMFG NAFF PASS END OF FRANCHISE SUX GONNA KILL TFS BARF CRAP" really needed? Just seems a bit more negatively charged than the wiki really needs.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 05:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:And I would have just edited it out, but I figured it would be more productive to discuss it first. 'Course, it seems Rotty took care of it anyway. :D--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 06:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

This article should really be at [[Animated]], shouldn't it? We don't have anything at [[Transformers Cybertron]], [[Transformers Armada]], etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:24, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I dunno. Considering the size of "Animated" compared to the REST of the logo... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I think it should remain [[Transformers Animated]]. Just [[Animated]] is too confusing, and we can justifiably called it Transformers Animated by the logo. Go with the less confusing one. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::It's confusing ANYWAY, since we now have the term "Transformers Animated continuity" to refer to Transformers Animated and "Animated continuity" to refer to the G1 cartoons. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 06:58, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Well if we just went with [[Animated]] we'd have an article named [[Animated (cartoon)]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:19, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::::And if this franchise gets a comic, we'll have the "Animated animated continuity" and the "Animated comics continuity." Heh. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 09:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::::And then if there's an official Flash animated comic strip, we'd have "animated continuity", "Animated animated continuity", "Animated comic continuity", and "animated comic continuity". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 09:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== TFA abbreviation? ==

I think, because of how common a word "animated" is and how many things on this Wiki it could refer to we should stick to the full "Transformers: Animated" to avoid confusion or weirdness. I'd also suggest the abreviation "TFA" to be its descriptor, thusly [[Optimus Prime (TFA)]].--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 11:01, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know. I'd prefer to stick with Animated. We could always change other uses of the phrase "animated continuity" to "cartoon continuity" if it became too confusing. Which might be a good idea anyway, given the use of (cartoon) for article titles. At any rate, we've got quite a a bit of time before we'll actually need to start making articles about this franchise. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:59, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

::I know it seems to be the way we're going, and so be it if so, but I want to state that, convention be damned, I really think refering to this continuity as JUST "Animated" is both counterintuitive and uneedingly confusing. There are times when breaking convention serves everyone better. The chategory "Animated characters" for instance is just screaming to be missunderstood. I just think the full Transformers: Animated, TF: Animated, or abreviating TFA would all be better choices. Just wanted to say it, however we finally choose to go.--ZacWilliam 03:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't see how "Transformers Animated characters" is any less confusing than "Animated characters" to a casual browser. It's not like that adjective narrows anything down on this wiki. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:03, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Perhaps not, but [[Transformers: Animated]] is considerably less confusing than either. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Except the series isn't "Transformers: Animated". The press materials call it --and even THEY put it in quotes-- "Transformers Animated". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:34, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::That's their problem. Why does that necessarily dictate our category names?
::::::We use <nowiki>[[Category: Beast Wars]] and not [[Category: Beast Wars Transformers]]</nowiki> even though the latter is the name of the franchise. We adjusted it to fit our needs. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was going to abbreviate this series "AN," until I realized that talking about "AN episode" or "AN Optimus Prime" just makes you look like you're trying to be a hairsplitter. Transformers has been ruined, or at least my system of talking about it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:17, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: Worse what hapens when there are multiple and you have to talk about "an AN episode" or "An An Optimus" that's just plain aweful. That's why I'm saying "TFA" I mean "TFA Megatron" or a "TFA episode" works fine.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::: You mean Transformers Armada Megatron or a Transformers Armada episode? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, if "Arm" and "UT" weren't pretty well established maybe, even so I'd call it the less confusing of the options other than just using the whole word as Derik says below, wich is slightly long to type, but IS plenty clear for a character tag I guess. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:22, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::"Arm" is well-established? I've never SEEN it before! But I've seen TFA used for it plenty of times. But as Derik says, it's an irrelevant topic for the wiki, as nothing will have to abbreviate it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: ...how did this subject move to the disambig suffixes? Those will be (Animated). They're less prone to confusion than the categories and article titles. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:41, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
I move this discussion be '''shelved for a few months''' in the hopes that an appropriate nomenclature will arise in the fandom we can use. The series is slated for 2008, the scale of the changes we'll need to make this fall (if we choose to make changes) will still be manageable. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

==Scale==
Am I the only one who thinks there are going to be scale issues coming? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:How would you even define "scale issues" in relation to TFs. Nothing Transformers has EVER been in scale with anything else.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe he's referrign to he fact that Ratchet seems to be ''exactly'' the same size in vehicle mode (which we will be able to see at some point) but it the size of Bulkhead's forearm in robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It's interesting, but given all the size changing in G1 between modes (and not even the really obvious stuff) it's never going to be enough to put even a dent in the vast and eldritch disregard the Transformers franchise has always held for scale.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:33, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

===Sarcasm===

Am I the only one who thinks the level of sarcasm on this page is a bit much. We get the point.
:I kind of agree. The series isn't even out yet but already this page seems dated--it's like a time capsule to June. Lemme work on it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:11, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think it would be a disservice to not note the FACT that vast swaths of fandom treated this series as Worse Than Hitler at first glance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:26, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
:::It is noted, in the second paragraph commenting on the inital over reaction. But the rest is just...well, mean really. I din't like the designs when the image was released either, but I'm looking forward to the series now. It just seems to be kinda nasty at the basic heart of it all.

:::Anyone think we need a <nowiki>{{toosnarky}}</nowiki> template? There's a lot of snark sneaking into articles that ought not be as snarky lately. We're weed-whacking it back into place with relative ease at the moment- but I think that for a lot of new users, the discussions about ''de-snarking'' are relatively invisible, while the snark in articles is easy to see. This creates a positive feedback scenario, where they perceive forces only encouraging the addition of snark, and do not notice the need for its moderation.
:::I believe a de-snarking "It's been suggested this page has too much funny and it's interfering with the delivery of information" template would make the need for it not to ''get in the way'' of articles more visible to users, who otherwise only see the jokes. (While also articulating to the anti-humor assholes that we're okay with humor as long as it ''doesn't'' interfere with the delivery of information.) -<span style="font-family: Monotype Corsiva; font-size: 15px;">[[User:Derik|Derik]]</span> 00:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

:but that doesn't point out something like "excessive sarcasm that just seems to be in for the wrong reasons". Which I think is the main problem. Funny good, gittery, bad. {{unsigned|84.18.160.11}}

::::I'd proposed an "excessive sarcasm" template or somesuch before. I even have the image to use and quote...
::::[[Image:Rattrap-smirk.gif]] "No, I mean take a ''submarine''!"
::::(Yeah, the image is from a different episode and quote, but I don't care.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:10, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
::::[[Image:Toosnarky1.jpg]]
::::Man, it's hard to find a good Nightbeat icon for that which doesn't need dialogue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:16, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
Heh. Well, I want to have a BW-based template in there SOMEWHERE... and Rattrap and sarcasm just GO together. Wanna make sure our templates have franchise variety. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:23, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

== Is the Autobots always going to be the Civilian ground vehicle? ==

Is the Autobots(Automobile bots) going to be civilian ground vehicles like cars again, not anything flying nor military vehicles like C-17 Globemaster IIIs? Is the Decepticons going to be the military vehicles and flying vehicles like always? The Decepticons are known for their air power due to the Seekers. I hope you know it.

:The Animated Autobots already have a non-civilian vehicle alt-mode: Ratchet (and the Dinobots aren't even vehicles). Police and Fire& Rescue vehicles are by definition not-civilian. There's only been a few time that the vehicular Autobots were all ground vehicles: G1 in 1984, RID prior to the release of Storm Jet (and all of ''Car Robots'') ''Armada'' prior to the release of Jetfire, and Classics prior to the release of Jetfire. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 18:58, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

You didn't answer the Decepticon question! How the fuck am I going to know that the factions are going to be unbalanced. OH by the way, The funny Stays!

Why you didn't answer these questions?

Why you ignore these questions?

:Well the main character Autobots are not warriors, just "repair-bots", so they're altmodes are simple ground based service vehicles. Probably there will be more military like ones in the future, like Sentinel Prime. -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 13:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey! Autobot is actually Automobilebots due to most of them are cars. Look at a list of Generation 1 Autobots to find out. Plus I see no animated Autobot that is at least Military! The Decepticons are always jets and Military vehicles like Devastator/Brawl.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Talk:Crosswise (Cybertron)

2007-10-07T03:29:01Z

Sideways: New page: Where is his photo of him or something? The photo is actually blank!

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Side Swipe (Armada)

2007-10-07T03:27:03Z

Sideways: /* Animated continuity */

{{disambig3|Sideswipe}}

:''Side Swipe is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SideSwipe-AR-DVD.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Dork.]]

'''Side Swipe''' is a green Autobot. He's willing and eager, and also kinda dumb. He doesn't think before he leaps, gets really emotionally attached to commanders right away, and basically just messes things up. [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus]] thinks that somewhere in there is the makings of a fine future soldier. ''Where?!''

His [[Mini-Con]] partner is [[Nightbeat (Armada)|Nightbeat]], who actually ''encourages'' this behavior.

''Japanese name:'' '''Stepper'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
'''Voice actor:''' [[Sam Vincent]] (US), [[Nobuyuki Kobushi]] (Japan)
[[Image:Sideswipe Nightbeat.jpg|thumb|120px|right|My butt is on fire!]]
Having once been saved from a hanging rope trap by [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]]'s marksmanship on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], he immediately traveled to [[Earth]] to join him upon finding out where he had gone. Blurr managed to pawn him off on [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], and the two went out for a little training.

Unfortunately, at the same time, Hot Shot's former protogee [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] arrived on Earth, intent on doing horrible things to Hot Shot. Side Swipe crossed paths with Wheeljack, immediately lept to his new awesome commander's defense, and failed. He later tried this ''again'', only this time Wheeljack captured him and chained him up somewhere in an abandoned oil refinery. The battle between Hot Shot and Wheeljack set the place ablaze, re-setting the scene where Wheeljack though Hot Shot left him to die back on Cybertron centuries ago. Side Swipe blubbered a lot, thinking he was gonna die, but Hot Shot saved him. Back at the base, Side Swipe tried to give his commander a great big hug for saving his life.

Despite his childish nature, Side Swipe is apparently a capable codebreaker and does manage to make himself useful on a few occasions by deciphering Decepticon data.
He was one of the Autobots that survived after the War against Unicron.

===Dreamwave Comics continuity===
He is part of Jetfire's Autobot team on Cybertron, along with Blurr, Rhinox and Overload

==Toys==
===Armada===
* '''Side Swipe''' (also parsed '''Sideswipe''') (Super-Con, 2003)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''MC-10'''

[[Image:Armada_Side_Swipe_toy.jpg|left|thumb|I come back every year with a different name and a different shade of blue. The fandom hates me and I hate 'em right back!]]

: Side Swipe transforms into a blue Nissan Skyline sedan. He is packaged with [[Mini-Con]] [[Nightbeat (Armada)|Nightbeat]], who can store in a flip-out section of the back end of Side Swipe's vehicle mode. Pressing down on the sigil plate in vehicle mode swings his car hood halves forward in a spring-loaded attack (or "dragster mode"). These hood parts end up on his arms in robot mode, giving him a spring-loaded attack in that mode. Attaching Nightbeat (or any other [[Mini-Con]] mold) to the [[Powerlinx]] plug on his back activates a "punching" action gimmick in his left arm.

:Early releases of Side Swipe parsed his name as "Sideswipe" on the packaging and instructions; this was changed to Side Swipe on successive versions.

: A slightly [[retool]]ed version of this mold was used to make [[Oil Slick (Universe)|Oil Slick]] and ''[[Universe]]'' [[Treadshot (Universe)|Treadshot]], and a more heavily retooled version was used for ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Runamuck (Cybertron)|Runamuck]].

{{-}}

==Trivia==
* Aaron Archer, posting as Orson, once gave signs that "Nightbeat" was actually meant to be Side Swipe's name and somehow had gotten swapped to his mini-con. He mentioned trying to get this corrected but it never surfaced.

* Even though the toy's name was originally spelled "Sideswipe" on the packaging and in the instructions, Hasbro had been parsing the name as "[[Side Swipe (RID)|Side Swipe]]" on toys from previous lines after they had successfully reclaimed it from another company that had been holding the name during in the "toys" field during the 1990s. A packaging variant for released as part of the "Unicron Battles" refresh of the [[Armada (toyline)|Armada]] line later saw the name changed to "Side Swipe".

* Prerelease copies of Side Swipe had a lightning deco on the sides of the vehicle mode which was not included on the final version sold in stores.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/Sideswipe/sideswipe.htm Side Swipe at TFU.info]

[[Category: Armada characters]]
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Talk:Starscream (disambiguation)

2007-10-07T03:25:33Z

Sideways: New page: Let me guess. He only turns into American Air Superiority jets and Cybertronian jets right?

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Talk:Megatron (disambiguation)

2007-10-07T03:24:05Z

Sideways: Everyone Knows him

Since the Megaplex article covers both the MW and e-Hobby toys, should the disambig page have two separate links? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 13:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ironic that Megaplex appears on this page, given that he exists for the ''sole purpose'' of being confused with Megatron. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 18:36, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== Metatron ==

I think Metatron was included in the "should not be confused with" list was for humor. See, in that movie, Metatron was mistaken for Megatron. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 13:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
: A huge part of the problem is that whoever wrote it claimed that Metatron was a KEVIN SMITH CREATION. Which is really, really horrible and makes me weep for humanity. C'mon, people! Reminds me of all those times when Dinobot quoted Shakespeare, and fans would get irate at him for stealing lines from Captain Picard.
: Complete lack of knowledge of anything beyond Kevin Smith movies besides, we should not be putting joke entries into the disambig pages. Unless it's Quintessa. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:: Canon/Cannon's disambig has a nice joke too. The only other instance it really needs one. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 00:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

== Everyone Knows him ==

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Optimus Prime (disambiguation)

2007-10-07T03:21:38Z

Sideways: Sorry but this is a wiki. If somethings wrong someone fix it

The name '''Optimus Prime''' has been assigned to several different characters:

*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], the original version of the Autobot Commander from [[Generation 1]]. For toys of this character, see [[Optimus Prime (G1) toys]].

*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Optimus Prime]], the Autobot commander fire truck from ''[[Robots in Disguise]]''.

*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], Autobot Commander semi trailer/flying fire truck from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] series.

*[[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)|Optimus Prime]], an Autobot commander killed by Unicron and sent into another dimension during the [[Armada (Dreamwave comic)|Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic]]'s [[Worlds Collide, Part 1|Worlds Collide storyline]].

*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], commander of the Autobots from the [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'' live-action movie]] continuity.

*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], a younger and less experienced leader of the Autobots from the [[Transformers Animated]] continuity.

Optimus Prime is not to be confused with:

*[[Optimus (disambiguation)|Other uses of the name "Optimus"]]

*[[Prime (disambiguation)|Other uses of the name "Prime"]]

Additionally, Optimus Prime is not to be confused with the real-life persons:
* [http://teletraan-1.com/myspacePage.php Mr. Optimus Prime ], a well-known Transfan and National Guardsman who legally changed his name to Optimus Prime. Hey, did you hear he went to Iraq? Pretty cool huh!

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