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Category talk:MacGuffins

2023-12-06T01:29:58Z

Skrollex: /* Missing MacGuffins */

Didn't this used to have a page on here?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 22:52, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== Point of this category? ==

This feels like a really dated holdover from 2000s TFWiki and a lot of the pages listed here here are not actually MacGuffins because they're actually important to the plot beyond instigating it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:22, 29 January 2021 (EST)

== Missing MacGuffins ==

Maybe I don't fully understand what is a MacGuffin and what is otherwise important to the plot, but it seems there are some key missing items from this list, such as the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Matrix_of_Leadership Matrix of Leadership], the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Key_to_Vector_Sigma Key to Vector Sigma], the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Golden_disk Golden Disk(s)] and the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/AllSpark AllSpark] from BayVerse/Animated/Aligned continuities. Just wondering why those such major item in the fandom are not tagged as MacGuffins.

--[[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 20:26, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Category talk:MacGuffins

2023-12-06T01:27:51Z

Skrollex: /* Missing MacGuffins */

Didn't this used to have a page on here?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 22:52, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== Point of this category? ==

This feels like a really dated holdover from 2000s TFWiki and a lot of the pages listed here here are not actually MacGuffins because they're actually important to the plot beyond instigating it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:22, 29 January 2021 (EST)

== Missing MacGuffins ==

Maybe I don't fully understand what is a MacGuffin and what is otherwise important to the plot, but it seems there are some key missing items from this list, such as the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Matrix_of_Leadership Matrix of Leadership], the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Golden_disk Golden Disk(s)] and the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/AllSpark AllSpark] from BayVerse/Animated/Aligned continuities. Just wondering why those such major item in the fandom are not tagged as MacGuffins.

--[[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 20:26, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Category talk:MacGuffins

2023-12-06T01:27:41Z

Skrollex: /* Missing MacGuffins */

Didn't this used to have a page on here?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 22:52, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== Point of this category? ==

This feels like a really dated holdover from 2000s TFWiki and a lot of the pages listed here here are not actually MacGuffins because they're actually important to the plot beyond instigating it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:22, 29 January 2021 (EST)

== Missing MacGuffins ==

Okay maybe I don't fully understand what is a MacGuffin and what is otherwise important to the plot, but it seems there are some key missing items from this list, such as the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Matrix_of_Leadership Matrix of Leadership], the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Golden_disk Golden Disk(s)] and the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/AllSpark AllSpark] from BayVerse/Animated/Aligned continuities. Just wondering why those such major item in the fandom are not tagged as MacGuffins.

--[[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 20:26, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Category talk:MacGuffins

2023-12-06T01:26:39Z

Skrollex: /* Missing MacGuffins */

Didn't this used to have a page on here?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 22:52, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== Point of this category? ==

This feels like a really dated holdover from 2000s TFWiki and a lot of the pages listed here here are not actually MacGuffins because they're actually important to the plot beyond instigating it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:22, 29 January 2021 (EST)

== Missing MacGuffins ==

Okay maybe I don't fully understand what is a MacGuffin and what is otherwise important to the plot, but it seems there are some key missing items from this list, such as the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Matrix_of_Leadership Matrix of Leadership], the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Golden_disk Golden Disk(s)] and the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/AllSpark AllSpark from BayVerse/Animated]. Just wondering why those such major item in the fandom are not tagged as MacGuffins.

--[[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 20:26, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Category talk:MacGuffins

2023-12-06T01:26:13Z

Skrollex: /* Missing MacGuffins */ new section

Didn't this used to have a page on here?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.243.196|184.100.243.196]] 22:52, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== Point of this category? ==

This feels like a really dated holdover from 2000s TFWiki and a lot of the pages listed here here are not actually MacGuffins because they're actually important to the plot beyond instigating it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:22, 29 January 2021 (EST)

== Missing MacGuffins ==

Okay maybe I don't fully understand what is a MacGuffin and what is otherwise "essential" to the plot, but it seems there are some key missing items from this list, such as the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Matrix_of_Leadership Matrix of Leadership], the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Golden_disk Golden Disk(s)] and the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/AllSpark AllSpark from BayVerse/Animated]. Just wondering why those such major item in the fandom are not tagged as MacGuffins.

--[[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 20:26, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Talk:Ghostbusters

2022-11-09T03:19:06Z

Skrollex:

Shouldn't this page just link to the pages about the figures that are part of the GB crossover lines? For instance it mentions that Slimer in the reissue of Ectotron has a painted face but this was corrected on the page about Ectotron. -Skrollex

Talk:Ghostbusters

2022-11-09T03:16:41Z

Skrollex: Created page with "Why does this page have descriptions of some of the GB collaborative toys but not all? I suggest removing them since we have a page already for Ectrotron here: [https://tfwiki..."

Why does this page have descriptions of some of the GB collaborative toys but not all? I suggest removing them since we have a page already for Ectrotron here: [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ectotron].

Talk:Megatron (G1)/merchandise

2022-09-03T15:20:46Z

Skrollex: /* Neca Head Knockers (bobble head) from 2002 */ new section

Who makes this costume? The webpage says it's "Officially licensed", but i'm not sure how to confirm that and i can't easily find information on who makes it. Also not sure where it would go on the wiki page, since i'm not sure when the costume was first made.

http://www.halloweencostumes.com/megatron-transformers-hoodie.html?PCID=30

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 03:11, 10 December 2014 (EST)

== Combiners ==

This page, as well as [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]] and [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity]] (but not any other pages for G1 Megatron) are in [[:Category:Combiners]]. ...Why? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 18:07, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
:[[Megatron (G1)/merchandise#Block Wars]], [[:File:Megs ratch.jpg]], [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity#The long game]]. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:45, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
::Ooh. (Although the Megatron-Ratchet thing isn't what I'd think of as a combiner...)
::I guess we need [[Megatron (G1)/toys]] in that category too because of the limited test market release Generation 2 toy that combines with Starscream. I'll add it. Thanks! --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:18, 6 October 2017 (EDT)

== Additional ReAction figures ==

There have been a number of redecos of the Super7 ReAction Megatron figure that have not been listed yet. I would put them in the main article myself, but I don't have enough info on releases (e.g. dates, exclusive retailers), so I'm hoping someone can take care of that?
Here are the variants:
* Chrome Commander Megatron - A redeco based on the original G1 toy, with metallic silver paint on his chest, arms, and upper legs, and additional toy-inspired detailing such as the squiggles on the chest.
* CyberChrome Megatron - A variation of the original release where the light gray parts are painted in metallic silver.
* Megatron MC-12 - A redeco inspired by the black version of the Micro Change Gun Robo, primarily in black with brown and blue accents.
* Golden Lagoon Megatron - Cast in gold-colored plastic, with the only paint application being a black outline of his Decepticon symbol.
[[User:Kyojikasshu|Kyojikasshu]] ([[User talk:Kyojikasshu|talk]]) 17:21, 27 February 2022 (EST)

== Neca Head Knockers (bobble head) from 2002 ==

Not seeing this item in the merchandise list. (Not to be confused with 2009 Wacky Wobblers.) Is this an omission? Might be missing from Optimus Prime merch page too.

Talk:Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

2020-09-13T07:30:07Z

Skrollex:

==20TH/MP==
It's a little detail, but the pic used for the 20TH Anniversary MasterPiece Convoy Optimus Prime is kind of wrong: I think it's a testshot model that has never been sold (battle damage with long stacks and wrong light's feet colors) Also, he is a lille misstransformed as the matrix "hidder" is on the wrong side.
:Its a stock photo of one of the longstack protos Hasbro keeps using for promotional images. I chose these photos because its hard to find stock photos of the actual product (I don't want to use somebody else's photos), and they're actually photographed pretty well, with no major posing or transformation problems aside from the bumper in his chest. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::The errors should be noted, though, so we know we have to replace this photo eventually. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd prefer a really good photo, since its the best toy he has, so might as well get the best pics possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Do you think we could take a remy pic?

The text for the Masterpiece/20th Prime is a bit... um... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
: Accurate?
: Abit what? I believe I wrote that at 4am. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I recently got this and thought there was somet stuff worth noting... I don't know whether I've got what is now the standard, or something specifically "UK". I ordered it off Amazon UK and I've seen the same thing in Forbidden Planet here. Anyway, whatever it is, it has the small smoke stacks, no shiny chromy bits, and much more simplistic paintwork than the battledamaged US release. The Ion Blaster is also a mix of blue, silver and yellow as opposed to black or grey. Oh it comes with a talking stand too, although it's rather obviously not Peter Cullen they recorded... Something I was also curious about is the pair of voice communicators in his arms. On mine he has a sticker of Grimlock on the right, and Megatron on the left, however, the box shows Starscream. Is there just a random assortment that varies from item to item? Well, anyway, I, umm, thought some of this information might be pertinent. Sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this stuff up. DS (sorry, no account) [[User:82.69.45.136|82.69.45.136]] 10:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's the Classics DVD version. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|check here]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just got MP-1. Mine came with Grimlock on the right and Megatron on the left wrist communicator. --[[User:Thecrookedman|Thecrookedman]] 8:35 PM, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Classics ==

The entry for Classics Voyager Optimus Prime (and the matching entry at [[Ultra Magnus (G1)]]) claims that his two guns "can combine together to form a back-mounted shoulder weapon." I've never heard of Classics Prime having such a feature, at least not officially. Can somebody confirm or deny? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

:It's true - you leave the wind vane attached to his back, and you can then plug the smokestacks into that, and angle the whole shebang up over his shoulders to make a twin cannon. It's official an' in his instructions and stuff. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

::I never knew that. Cool. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 04:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Flat character==

I always thought so. Compared with Megatron, he had no charisma. He was wayyyy too honorable, level-headed, mature, just, wise, noble, etc.. *blech*[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 21:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sorry Prime wasn't evil enough for your tastes, but as far as I can tell that doesn't have anything to do with his ''toy...'' --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

What about [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act267/ this guy]? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
===Revoltech===
Shouldn't Revoltech be in merchandise? I moved it in that section, but someone else move it back in toys without explaining why.

:By what possible definition is a Revoltech action figure not a toy and a 3" Titanium figure a toy? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::I know, but Titanium has transformable toys, at least. I think the best definition would be toys=sold directly by Hasbro/takara, that would make Revoltech a merchandise. But what about McDonald Toys, then? Anyway, even if the difference between Merchandise and toys became kind of blur for Mc Donald, [[Titanium Series]], and Even [[Action Master]], Revoltech is not sell directly by Takara/Hasbro, and neither does it transform. Which clearly set him in Merchandise at the same title than "Metal Force"--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Um, wow. I know we have some idiosyncratic definitions on this Wiki (like "Comics-only character"), but I'd be very much against creating our own peculiar definition of TOY that's "sold by Takara/Hasbro". And "there's a toy that transforms in the package" as a definition would suddenly make 99% of my G.I. Joe collection not toys... --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Titaniums are directly sold by Hasbro in the same way the Kenner-branded Beast Wars and Machine Wars were. Plus, most of the characters with 3" Titaniums I've seen have them under "merchandise". Puls, while the Action Master figures (usually) didn't transform, their weapons or vehicles ''did'', and they were a mainline to boot. However, there's also guys like [[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]], who has a transforming toy, but said toy is bolted to a radio that keeps his legs pointed outward. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::...In the Transformers line, Of course I don't know why I should even precise that. And I don't want to create my own definition of Merchandise/Toys differentiation, I want one to be officially created, by general consensus (unless there is already one? If so a link to it would be appreciated)! That's why I Talk about it in the Discussion part: What make a Merchandise and what make a Toy? And in which category should Revoltech be put?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If we must have a clear criterion, I think "produced by Hasbro/Takara" may be the best we can do. And yes, that would mean moving most promotional toys like Happy Meals out of "toys" and into something else. Sadly, it would also affect toys made by GiG in Italy or by Estrela in Brazil, without some sort of concession. <s>Those were at least the same molds, so, we could base it on who owned the rights to the tooling at the time the item was produced, since GiG and Estrela were licensing them but wouldn't have owned them. (Not who ''made'' the original tooling, since then toys like Omega Supreme and Roadbuster are out.)</s>
:Hasbro '''owned''' the Bandai tooling used to filled out the line in 1985? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops -- no, they didn't. Don't know why I even wrote that. So that idea's out completely then. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Personally though I would rather not have a set rule for it, and instead decide things case by case. We could keep a list in the help pages of what items "count" as toys and what items don't. It's a subjective thing, but, I think we'll end up with the smallest number of silly categorizations that way. As Rotty says, I can't imagine any definition of the word "toy" that would exclude a Revoltech figure. They are nothing like Metalforce Prime. Metalforce is, IMO, very much in the "statue" area and not the "toy" area. A 3" Titanium is pretty much just a statue too, to me, but a SCF/HoC PVC figurine is moving closer to "toy".

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:I basically agree with Steve. The line between the two is fuzzy, but I feel that most everybody would agree with decisions, in this case, made somewhat arbitrarily. I don't think it's too hard to easily discern what was produced to be played with, and what was produced to be a display piece. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think we can come up with a pretty good definition in that toys are designed to be played with. You can say of them that they have a "play pattern", as I did at [[Multi-property brand]]. So figures that transform into something else are toys. If you play with them by having them interact with vehicles and accessories, also toys. [[Attacktix]], [[Built to Rule!]], [[MyClone]], [[Revoltech]], those are also meant to be played with. There's really no way to play with 3" Titaniums, but it would be nice to keep [[Titanium Series]] entirely under Toys when the same character has both 6" and 3" figures. 3" Titaniums and SCFs are a gray area. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Notice that this "to be able to play with" distinction fall apart for softimus Prime and Optimash Prime, who are definitively done to play with. Yet, personally I would never move them in the toys Section.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::There's a point here, but I really think it needs to be a) signed and b) not phrased as threat of protest in order to weigh it against other opinions expressed. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just Forgot to sign (happen from time to time, sorry) and there was absolutely no will of threat when I tipped it.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Hasbro and Takara have some exact standard by which they determine what's a toy and what's merchandise? Perhaps toys tend to belong to "lines" or assortments, whereas merchandise tends to be a one-off item? There is an assortment of Titaniums, there is certainly an assortment of actual main-line figures, but there is only one Optimash Prime? Certainly we cannot strictly use the amount of "one", but perhaps this is where we can be arbitrary, if not being wholly arbitrary? There are only two Softformers, only one Metalforce... I suppose Masterpiece now has enough items to be considered a line? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nice idea, but the Heroes of Cybertron series goes against that logic.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::We're currently counting Robot Heroes as Merchandise, and that line's set to get fairly extensive. SCF would also have to be switched to toys, when you really can't play with them. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wall Statues==
I went to my local Toys Be We today, looking for a Classics Bumblebee, and discovered three Classics Primes, a 20th DVD Anniversary Prime....and Megatron and Optimus Prime Wall Statues. [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=116021&N=27+&nvalue=27 Here] and [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=114687&N=27+&nvalue=27 here]. Pricy, but yummy-lookin'. I wish I had three hundred bucks to blow on all three...but I'll be content (for now) with my Classics Prime. If somebody wants to add the statues to the merchandise for Optimus and Megsy, go ahead. [[User:Kendrakirai|Kendrakirai]] 04:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

==Original G1 Toy==
We don't seem to have a picture of the original toy. I think given its importance to the line (and its many releases) It would be great to have a good collection of pictures of it emphasising its many features and variations (ie New Years Convoy, TF Collection version with axe). [[User:Azereal|Azereal]] 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:When I wrote this article, I attempted to track down as many images as I could find for all the figures I listed and described. But G1 Prime was difficult, because I wasn't sure any fan photo would be more deserving than any other for it, and I couldn't find a stock Hasbro/Takara photo of the original team was of good visual quality. I think I'll leave if for you guys to figure out, now. - FFN in class

We need a pic of this toy with its trailer and alternate modes. That's kind of a big thing to be missing there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The encore trailer sports a 1992 mold year. Is this the G2 retool, and if so, what changes were made? Also, is there any info on trailer variants?--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 01:48, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==New additions==
Hi guys. I was just reading thru this AWSOME article and noticed a few more recent things were missing. I hope you like my additions. --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:Thank you. I am pretty awesome at writing about toys I don't actually own :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well, you certainly do a great job, because I actually do own most of them (not that I'm bragging), and I can't really better any of the descriptions in your entries. Nice work! :-)
::In case you're interested, I'm a Prime/Megsy completist, at least in the sense of I buy each officially produced ''transforming'' (or at least highly articulated) mould. I'd like to think that I'm not a slave to repaints, but if they reflect something that's actually in the fiction I'll sometimes cave, ala Powerlinx Armada Prime. As a sideline I collect ''most'' iterations of Starscream, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Grimlock. Oh, and Beast Wars/Machines characters who were actually in the shows. All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::To be fair, I've not seriously edited this page since creating it in January, so the sheer majority of the work since then (especially of the new toys released since January) were written by other members, and the entire Trivia section was originally by Nevermore and somebody else who I can't remember, unfortunately. But still, I am very proud of it as toys are a sorely neglected subject on this wiki. A single sentence about toys is not good enough unless the product in question doesn't do anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

====Slightly altered how?====
:Me again. Just a question; does anyone know what the actual difference is between the original Japanese [[Pepsi Convoy]] and the supposedly "slightly altered" U.S. release? I've just added the U.S. version here since, unlike Pepsi Convoy, he ''is'' actually supposed to be Optimus. However, I don't know what this small difference is supposed to be, since I only own the Japanese version myself.

:Also, I understand that this was a convention exclusive of some variety, but was it just a BotCon thing, or was it available at ComiCon and/or anywhere else? Purchase or competition?

:Any help?

:Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The only differences I'm aware of are the character distinction and the packaging. Oh, and I assume the US version has short stacks. (I have the Japanese one.) It was sold by Hasbro Toy Shop at BotCon and San Diego Comic-Con this year. It's something they sold at whatever convention they were at, as part of their normal stock. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks dude! Much appreciated. Yeah, now that you mention it, looking at the picture I added I can see the small stacks. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Snarky commentary==
Who the heck put all the snarky commentary in the sections for iPod Convoy, the Nike thing, the Pepsi things ect? I actually have a good idea who did it, but I'll refrain from naming names. For the most part, this article is meant to be informative in comparison to most articles on the wiki, so we should restrain ourselves from adding colour commentary and giving "cute" nicknames for the toys. I would also advise this person to stop displaying the toy images as large as possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dear FFN,
:PacifistPrime here.
:I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions. I am responsible for the so-called "snarky" comments that you have unilaterally excised, however, you are incorrect in describing them as having been "put" into the relevant sections such as Nike and iPod Convoy, because I originated all those sections myself in the first place. As the original author, the tone of my writing can hardly be described as an insertion or imposition to pre-existing material, since those whole sections were my own original contributions.
:Regarding the "naming of names", I don't know if I was the user you had in mind or not, but I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making this all sound like some clandestine snarkfest: I wrote the entries whilst logged in and never made any attempt to make my contribution anonymously.
:As to the "snarky commentary", with all due respect (and acknowledging you're doubtless a more frequent contributor than myself): Are you serious? One of the most pervasive and appealing things about this wiki is its sense of humour and light, joshing tone. My comments are satirical and jovial at worst, hardly snarky. I mean, honestly, you don't want us to become like the mirthless uptights over at Wookieepedia, do you?
:And I challenge you to dispute that my contributions on these toys aren't ''thoroughly'' informative. I believe that my wry comments in no way detract from the article's informativeness.
:Finally, if the image sizes are too large, I'm more than happy to concede that. I just made them a size which seemed adequately large to understand, but if you feel strongly otherwise, I don't much care on this point.
:Rather than just reverting your edits, I'm hoping we can discuss this. I'd be good if some other users will weigh in on this matter. I hope I am not out of line here, but I really believe that FFN's appraisal of my work (and his edits) are excessive (and somewhat contrary to the flavour of this wiki), especially as they have stood intact for several months.
:All the best,
:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The problem is not me wanting to excise humour from the wiki (if you'll noted me in talk pages and on TFW2005, I am a staunch defender of the Wiki's tone and sense of humour), the problem is the jokes got in the way of conveying information with them starting off with commentary about Prime's corporate shilling and the various nicknames you gave to the toys. In any case, the number of jokes didn't fit the tone of the rest of the article, or really, the tone of the toy sections of the rest of the wiki. Now, I really do appreciate you for writing about the Japanese toys, but really, with humour sometimes less is more.
::Oh, somebody needs to find an out-of-box photo of iPod Convoy. I only have stock photos of iPod Optimus Prime. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, FFN, what can I say? I disagree. I really don't think you can reasonably argue that the jokes were "getting in the way", as all the useful information was clearly there. Frankly, I think the running gag that Japanese Convoy is addicted to endorsement deals was a perfectly relevant bit of observational humour, given how obviously egregious 2007 was for this fact, and it's a damn shame to have it removed.
:::Does anyone else want to weigh in here?
:::Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:I have no strong opinion on it. I think there were probably too many jokes before, but it would be okay for some of them to be put back in. I do think the "nickames" for the toys are probably a bad idea. Since we're talking about Japanese-exclusive toys that American fans won't know much about, it's probably better to call them by their real names all the time to avoid confusion. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::That sounds reasonable to me. I can appreciate the point about the excessively cute/smartass nicknames. If I could restore the running note of observational humour about Convoy's excessive number of corporate endorsements, I'd be happy. Whaddaya reckon, FFN? Anyone else?
::--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::Okay, I'd just prefer it if we didn't bash people over the head with the joke like say, the The Chaser's War on Everything or something. I prefer my satire to be more subtle and be left for the viewer to notice, like Newstopia. Funnily enough I love both shows.
:::Edit: Sorry for not replying soon, I didn't notice this talk page had been updated since January. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I take it from the Chaser reference that you're a fellow Aussie TransFan, FFN...? Anyway, I've restored the two header jokes about Japanese Prime being addicted to endorsement deals but ''without'' reinserting any of the name-based jokes, as per our discussion. (n.b. The remaining use of "iPodimus Prime" was actually still there, I didn't put it back in. I assume that means you thought one mention was okay when you were removing all the others. I'd appreciate that one use being left that way too, as I think it rolls off the toungue an is fankly pretty amusing, if I do say so myself...).
::::I hope that's all cool with everyone now.
::::Peace, --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I am. That's fine now. Could you write about the iPod Optimus Prime redeco? Yeah, his name is Optimus Prime [[Transformers (film)|for some reason]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am probably a bit late, but i think the whole "convoy loves corporate endorsements" thing is hilarious and does not detract at all from the informative nature of the article. Just thought i would throw my opinion out there.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main Image ==

''"We need a more appropriate image, one that only has G1 Primes on it."'' 
While I agree with [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] that that would be ideal, the image that ''was'' there is so filled with awesome that I vote we keep it in place until we have something better. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:Didn't Remy Rodis do one like this, with a buttillion Primes all together? Maybe you should bug him about it. -hx, still not logged in.

== 25th Anniversary Pack ==

Sooooo... what do we file the umpteenth rerelease of this toy under? Universe? Universe (2008)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Universe (2008). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Pepsi Optimus Prime==
Are we sure Pepsi Optimus Prime was Pepsi Convoy? I thought he was just Optimus Prime, not a seperate character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yeah, they're two different dudes. Pepsi Convoy is a character separate from Optimus Prime created to shill, and Pepsi Optimus Prime is just Optimus Prime The Shill. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fictional apperances ==

I was looking through the toylist and I thought it might be interesting to have some kind of note about fictional appearances of the toys, or a "toy-only" note. It would be neat to look at the Combat Hero toy and see that it appeared at the end of the G2 comic. The note could have a range, Issues 5–7 of Marvel comics or something. Some of them, like Masterpiece don't really count as it is supposed to be the original. Just an idea. Maybe it is too messy to attempt. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:42, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Just to follow up: Hearing no objection I went ahead and added the info back then, but the recent consensus seems to be to not have it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

== Original toy influence ==

Please explain why this was cut. Is it ''not true''? Is it somehow not relevant in some bizarro-world way that I'm not seeing? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:53, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:"The first Optimus Prime toy was the inspiration for lots of Optimus Prime toys later". NO SHIT, REALLY? Should it also BE NOTED THAT? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is also worth noting! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::Optimus Primes in every continuity family, Ultra Magnuses, evil clones, BW leaders, even a faction sigil or two... the toy has influence that ranges across the entire history of the brand, multiple characters, universes, and franchises. It's the root of a huge family tree. This may be obvious to you and me, sure, because we are all uber-robot geeks here. But there is nothing ''inherently'' obvious about it at all. If "obvious" is our criteria, why are we describing the toy at all?
:: (I was gonna contrast that with all the stuff we describe that can be PLAINLY SEEN FROM PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TOY, but strangely enough we're missing photos of his alternate mode and trailer.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:14, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:::No answer? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:14, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Alternity? ==

Wasn't our Alternity section more expansive than this? Did we lose everything in the Bookworm Crash? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Trannies?==

The G2 Laser Optimus Prime section talks about "The Trannies" awards, and that the figure won twice, and also lost to its own repaint. Can anyone provide an insight to these awards? How were they decided, by whom, where, when, who won, when did they stop, etc? Presumably either on its own page or a suitable sub-section of someone else's (eg: if they were done by Hasbro, a section on the Hasbro page). [[Special:Contributions/118.208.172.41|118.208.172.41]] 06:19, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:They were held on [[alt.toys.transformers]] (and related newsgroups) during the late 90s/early 00s, organised by [[Robert Jung]]. The awards were decided by email vote. A [http://groups.google.com/groups/search?safe=off&q=trannies+group%3Aalt.toys.transformers Google Groups search] may help enlighten. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:29, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:edited out the name of the award because it's a slur. {{unsigned|Mandoimissmst3k}}
::Reverted your vandalixm. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:12, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Why is it vandalism? The word's a slur, including the nickname of a long dead award provides no necessary context and it seems tone deaf at best, actively hostile at worst -[[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 08:32, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Because the word as used here is not a slur, as it is not being used in reference to a person. It is the actual name of the award, that is all the context that is needed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::That's not how slurs work. even if no one involved in the process realized it was a slur (and, to be honest, that's pretty unlikely. That term as a slur for trans people has been used well earlier than 1996), it still reflects very poorly now. as a reference point, here's the entry on said word from GLAAD's Media Reference guide <blockquote>these words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it extremely offensive.</blockquote> I realize a wiki isn't reporting, but I personally don't consider this incredibly trivial bit of knowledge to be worth the potential pain caused to people. If it were a slur for another group, such as gay people or African Americans, would you be so nonchalant about its use? [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 16:00, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::[[Carbombya]] , [[Spastic]] , [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]
::::::No one is saying it isn't derogatory; we're saying that was the name. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:25, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::If you reread your own citation, you will notice that it is talking about use of the term to describe a person. Your objection here is equivalent to saying that we shouldn't use the phrase "spick and span" because "spic" is a slur for Mexicans. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:27, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I'd argue that it's more akin to not wanting you to use the outdated, racist term for Brazil Nuts. Anyone not deeply versed in Transformers fandom is immediately going to think of the slur when they see that, whereas the phrase you cite is very widely known. Language can be a cudgel against people, and I personally don't value knowledge of an outdated fan award to be worth causing any harm. The example pages that were provided? they discuss things and point out why it's inappropriate, instead of just dropping a slur into a page about Optimus Prime's toys. I've made my argument and I'll drop it, but I also think y'all aught to be ashamed. [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 18:39, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Speaking as a transgender person, I think the name is extremely unfortunate, but its still a piece of history. Not that I think it's really all that notable anymore, but still. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:54, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::On further thought, I think we don't actually have to say the name at all. All due respect to [[Robert Jung]], this isn't an unfortunate official product, it's an unfortunate fan term. I've put in new wording. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:12, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

==Goes somewhere==
[[Image:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb]]

== Another split? ==

So yeah, I'm less than halfway through this big overhaul, and I'm thinking we might need a separate page for all Prime's merchandise, just to take the load off this one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:36, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: That seems fine to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:49, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::Seems a natural split. I would also suggest that given the sheer ''number'' of toys we're detailing, the "trivia" section with development info at the bottom ought to actually have its subsections moved up to the toys they're discussing. The original toy in particular already has a lot of development info in its entry, so merging it with the other info at the bottom would be for the best.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:14, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Generations ==

Where is the Generations deluxe Prime on this page?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:45, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

:That'd be under 'Transformers (2010)', actually. It needs a little tweaking, too; He turns into a '90s International 8100 daycab, and certainly not a racing truck. A flame job on a Civic does not a racecar make. Unfortunately, I apparently don't have enough edits yet to fix it myself. [[Special:Contributions/99.192.95.58|99.192.95.58]] 10:29, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::You should still be able to make the edit, though I'd recommend including a citation/supporting evidence link so any skeptics know you're not just making it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:01, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:::The page was protected some time ago because anons kept adding the Generations WFC Prime to it. Given the date of TOM's original post, that's the Prime he's asking about too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:19, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::::Ah, I see. I thought 99.192.95.58 was phrasing it that way because he was afraid his own editing record wouldn't hold enough weight and so it'd just get reverted.
::::In that case, 99.192.95.58, you have to register first, and then you can edit the page. It isn't contingent on how many edits you've made in the past. (That's mainly for adding funny captions.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:25, 11 March 2011 (EST)

==Pepsi Prime==
Crazysteve, fount of robot wisdom, found [http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2010/10/coke-may-have-made-santa-claus-but.html photos and ads advertising Pepsi Prime]. Apparently he wasn't a mail-away, he was a contest promotion (at least initially.) If your [http://www.usasoda.com/images/pc86-57.JPG Specially Marked Can] of Pepsi had "WIN" under the tab, you took the tab to a Pepsi bottler and they gave you a Prime. Huh. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:14, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Another another split? ==

This page is currently the third longest non-MSTF page on the wiki, should it be split? And if so, how? Toyline? Years? We've never had to deal with this problem before, a little discussion seems in order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:23, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:I don't see any point in further splitting. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:27, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Transformers 2010/Reveal The Shield ==

The G2 remake Prime was shipped (in the UK at least and I'm sure elsewhere) under the Reveal The Shield branding, this was on the card and the figure features the rubsign which is the token feature of the line. I'm not sure 'Transformers 2010' is the best title for the section.

It might also be worth mentioning the matrix gimmick. The inside of the side windows are molded with a (non removable) matrix relief. In robot mode, this is visible through the windshield/chest. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 19:49, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Reveal the Shield is just a subline imprint, no different than previous examples like AllSpark Power or the Unicron Battles. In those cases we use the main franchise name for the section, not the subline. The only reason this seems weird here is because there isn't a distinctive franchise name here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:06, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Will add a short line about the matrix gimmick, any objections, please discuss. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 16:08, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

I just checked over his instructions and the head doesn't look like the toy's (i.e no mouthplate). As per the trend of [[Skullgrin|different]] [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|looking]] [[Axor|head's in]] [[Black Shadow (Victory)|instructions]], I'd like to ask what it may be if there is to be a not yet announced retool. Everyone place your bets. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 14:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:Thunderclash is my bet. Have read (on Seibertron.com I think) that we won't see another RTS wave until the TF3 toy rush is over. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 17:00, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== ((Yet) Another) G1 Retool? ==

Can someone confirm that Encore Prime uses the G2 retool (backpack)? Or that the BAPE release uses the Chronicles retool (trailer post)? I think it's worth chronicling the evolution of the mold itself, step by step, along with copyrights and stuff. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:29, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

== Powermaster Rerelease? ==

I might have accidentally skipped it, but was there a rerelease of Powermaster Optimus Prime? If not, did I SERIOUSLY just skip over an MISB PMOP for $50 at Nekocon? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 17:59, 7 November 2011 (EST)
: Powermaster Optimus Prime (with Apex Armor) was one of the first Toys R Us G1 reissue exclusives. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 7 November 2011 (EST)

== Masterpiece Prime ==

On the first Prime Masterpiece figure, one of his communicators has Starscream on the screen. has he sent Roller to the Decepticon base so that he could spy on them, or something? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 18:01, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Well probably no [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:46, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== 2010 Sons of Cybertron ==

Is there any reason this and other figures aren't being put into their own toyline rather than just shoved in G1? I mean they seem so out of place with the rest of the figures on those sections.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

== Mail away 1986 movie edition. ==

I have a 1986 mail away movie edition optimus prime, still in the cardboard box it was mailed in, the article said it is considered rare. I was wondering if anyone knows the value on this optimus. If anyone sees this and has any info please email me @ lclemley@comcast.net.

nice how did you get it :O [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:43, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== Generation 2 ==
Somehow in the trillions of times I have come to this page I never noticed this sentence, "The traditionally dark blue internal components of the trailer are a lighter blue, as is Roller," My G2 Optimus (personally purchased off the shelf of TRU) has all dark blue internal components and a dark blue Roller. I don't remember if I bought him early on in G2 or later, but does anyone have any insight here? [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 17:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Nevermind. Figured it out. Adding it to the entry. [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 16:59, 6 January 2013 (EST)

== 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece MP-01 Convoy ==

Contrary to what the article currently claims, Takara's version came out first. [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/remy-updates-with-a-masterpiece-convoy-preview/1851/ Remy got his by December 11, 2003], which would place the official Japanese release date somewhere around that time (''Binaltech'' Lambor was officially released on December 12). [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optims-prime-gallery/2384/news.html Remy had 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime by January 9, 2004], making this the earliest confirmed date regarding the toy's availability in Hong Kong. [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-in-stock-bbts/2349/news.html Big Bad Toy Store received their shipment ahead of schedule on December 29, 2003], and [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-prime-in-stores-now/2205/ Seibertron reported the first brick and mortar sighting on US soil on February 2, 2004].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 01:49, 23 January 2013 (EST)

== Generations Orion Pax's axe peg-ability ==

After seeing OptiMagnus's addition to the article, I decided to give it a looksee on mine. The Ion blaster (or indeed any 5mm-pegged accessory) can plug into it, there's a groove in the larger blade of the axe, close to the shaft, that forms three quarters of a 5mm-accomodating slot. I have no idea if its presence is deliberate, accidental, what purpose it might've been meant to serve or even if it's worth mentionning on the article proper... but it's there. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] ([[User talk:Detour|talk]]) 02:39, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

I think it may be intended for storage in robot mode. In addition to the blaster pegging into the axe, the axe itself can also be loosely stored behind his back by sliding the handle down between the wheels on his back (either intentionally or unintentionally designed). Combining both of these "features" gives you storage for both weapons in robot mode. [[User:OptiMagnus|OptiMagnus]] ([[User talk:OptiMagnus|talk]]) 02:56, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

== FJ Cruiser X Transformers FJ Optimus Prime ==

I have noticed that FJ Optimus Prime is missing from the Wiki. As I can't read the bio I'm not 100% sure he is a G1 Prime, but if he is he should be added here. [[User:DELTAprime|DELTAprime]] ([[User talk:DELTAprime|talk]]) 23:58, 4 July 2014 (EDT)

== Another another split? (II) ==

:''21:54 (cur | prev) . . (+235)‎ . . Mimi (Talk | contribs) (Maybe this page should be split up...)''

I fully agree (it came up above, but Interrobang shut it down), the problem is... how? Move the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#The_many_releases_of_Optimus_Prime|''many'' reissues and repaints of the original toy]] (and possibly reissues of other toys too) to a new [sub]subpage, linked from below the mould's first release?

[Should probably split out the toys/merch of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]] as well...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 18:40, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:I would just pick an arbitrary year to split and go from there. I think 75%/25% ratio would work since there will inevitably be more toys. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 19:08, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

== 2012 Commemorative Series ==
I'm looking at the cabs for the 2012 reissues of both Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. They both seem to have an altered hitch which now has a hole their weapons can plug into. I don't have the 25th anniversary Prime but from online pics, it doesn't seem to have this change. Does anyone know which version of the cab did or is this a new addition? Also it seems that while the trailer is the same bright grey of the 25th anniversary Prime, his cab is back to the darker red and blue though again, I can't confirm. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 19:17, 25 June 2015 (EDT)
*Nevermind, I found it. It appears to be the Chronicle remold that came with Movie Optimus Prime. Probably why the trailer is from the 25th set.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 00:45, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== Should we add Optimal Optimus to this article, too? ==

If we go by what the show depicts, Optimal Optimus is created when Primal takes in G1 Prime's Spark. So does that technically qualify Optimal Optimus as being a toy of G1 Optimus? Even the toy bio says that exposure to a "nebulous entity" (a basic way to describe a Spark) created Optimal Optimus. I think Optimal Optimus should go on this page, but I may as well post here so as to avoid looking like a tool. What do you guys think? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 11:41, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:No. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:55, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:Not remotely. Optimus Prime's spark is an unconscious passenger in Optimus Primal's body, which is reformatted to contain it. We're not going to put every Transformer Starscream's ghost possessed on Starscream's page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:56, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::This is technically a different situation to that, though; Starscream's ghost didn't create a whole new body for his host(s), he simply took control of it/them. Optimal Optimus is a body that was ''created'' by Optimus Prime's Spark being in the same body as Optimus Primal's, which presumably meant that holding Prime's Spark had something to do with the Optimal Optimus upgrade in the first place (in-fiction, of course). By itself, it's not entirely notable. But ''given the context of the fiction it's presented in'', I think it might be considered acceptable to have the toy on both Primal's page and Prime's page. To quote our very article on Optimal Situation (emphasis mine);
<blockquote>"Blackarachnia and Silverbolt activate the Ark's repair systems to help stabilize Optimus Prime's condition, but the Autobot leader is still dying, and "reality is still in flux". The other Maximals arrive, and upon seeing Prime, realize that they must save him. However, his spark is fading. Believing there is no other choice, ''Optimus Primal merges his spark with Prime's to save it. He succeeds'', and Rhinox summons an Autobot repair device to begin restoring Prime's body. ''Holding Prime's spark causes Primal to expand into a new, larger body.''"</blockquote>

::Holding Optimus Prime's Spark is what causes Optimus Primal to gain the Optimal Optimus body, and from the time he gets it to the time he returns it, he gets both a new flanging effect and a deeper voice; and the deeper voice dissapears after Optimal Situation, IIRC. So Prime's Spark almost definitely played some part in the Optimal upgrade; Primal even directly orders the Maximals to "transform and roll out" when he'd never done so before or afterwards; it's only when he has Prime's spark that he says it, so it's entirely possible that the two were sharing the body in some capacity. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:47, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::All that seems rather like what happens to Hot Rod when he becomes Rodimus Prime, and we don't put Rodimus's toys on the pages of all previous Matrix holders. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:54, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::Well, because it's pretty obvious that passing the Matrix =/= sharing a body in the strictest sense. This is one character (Primal, in this case) ''sharing'' a body with the Spark of another (Optimus Prime) that causes an upgrade, not the passing of a sacred implement from one person to another person (as in Hot Rod becoming Rodimus Prime when the Matrix is passed to him). [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:58, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::::You are SERIOUSLY overthinking all of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:01, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Maybe, but discussion about these sorts of overthinking topics is better than making the edit, having it reverted and ''then'' starting the talk discussion. Makes for a more calm atmosphere for clean discussion, which is good for productivity. I'm finding it rather nice to have this sort of discussion.

::::::And besides, if we don't have discussions about these sorts of irrelevant topics, what type of fan-wiki would we be? :p It's almost like a fan-wiki tradition to have people bring up utterly irrelevant topics just to discuss them. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:43, 10 December 2015 (EST)

== Titans Return Leader ==

I left a message on Walky's page but no dice. I'm trying to do a little research on Prime's new Powermaster form and a couple of his features are said variously to work okay, poorly, or not at all. In particular, mounting one of his guns on his chest plate in base mode - I'm able to do it just fine, other are saying it either damaged the paint, pops off, or that it flat out won't peg in. Anyone else have any insight into why this might be, or how their particular unit is faring? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 13:01, 7 October 2016 (EDT)

== Orion Pax ==

Given the number of Orion Pax toys out or currently pending, can we consider ways to make them easier to locate? Right now the best I can do is CTRL+F for "Orion Pax" here. Maybe a separate [[Orion Pax (G1)/Toys]] page? Keep everything currently on this page here, but duplicate the Orion toys onto a sub-page, linked to at the top? Thoughts? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 14:12, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:Optimus Prime (G1)/Orion Pax toys? Alternatively Optimus Prime (G1)/toys/Orion Pax. We do need to split up this page somewhere, since it's gigantic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:17, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I was thinking we could take all the promotional Primes (Pepsi Optimus, BAPE, ect) and move them to a "Promotional" page. It would make it shorter, at the least. [[User:NewtypeS3|NewtypeS3]] ([[User talk:NewtypeS3|talk]]) 17:17, 25 October 2017 (EDT)

== Power of the Primes Optimus ==

Normally I'd change this myself, but since one of the captions also plays into this, I figured I'd bring it up here. The description for this figure notes that Optimus "transforms from a smokestack-less truck with a trailer into a robot and back." In point of fact, the truck does have smokestacks. They're stubby and red, but they're part of the hinge that connects Orion's shoulder ball joints. There's even sculpted detail for the smokestack's heat shields. I just removed this mention from the description, but the caption for the Optimus combined mode makes the smokestacks the punchline. That should probably change, too. [[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] ([[User talk:Pjdonnell|talk]]) 03:52, 6 February 2018 (EST)
:OK, I didn't notice it since I first saw the stock renders. Sorry. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 05:04, 6 February 2018 (EST)

== Star Convoy (mis)assembly confusion ==

"The joint piece that connects the star-shaped piece is (presumably) misassembled: The joint's cavity is supposed to face backwards. This is actually the correct position, as flipping the piece only increases the issue of connecting the star piece firmly. " I'm not sure I understand what is being said here. Which way does the piece actually face? Which way is it supposed to face? The way it is written seems to be saying 1) that we think the current assembly is wrong, 2) that the current assembly actually is wrong, and 3) that the current assembly is right. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:21, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
:"Sigh" removed for now. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 09:26, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

== POTP Evolution Optimus Prime ==

While reading through the page, the section for the Power of the Primes Leader-class figure made me stop and examine it more closely. The claim that "many details" including a "nearly identical" head sculpt to the MP-10 Masterpiece toy is incredibly dubious. A simple side-by-side of the example pictures shows that isn't true, especially about the heads which are not very similar sculpts at all. While it's likely that the POTP figure took some inspiration from the MP-10 figure, the former does not appear to have any parts taken directly from the latter, and really, it's likely because both figures are trying to be as Optimus Prime as possible. I don't own either figure, but it's pretty easy to see this is inaccurate. If someone who does own the figure could rewrite that section, it would be appreciated.

== G2 Hero Variation ==

My G2 Hero Optimus Prime seems to be a variation not mentioned here or on TFU.info. It lacks the hole for the blue gun to mount on the rocket launcher in truck mode. I compared it to my Destructicon Scourge, which does have this hole, and it is indeed a mold variation. I'm guessing mine was an early release, and subsequent releases included the hole. Mine also has a molded gear, that feels as if you could turn it to make something extend/retract (kinda like G1 Perceptor's head) but it is just molded into the blue launcher part and is not an actual gear. Perhaps at some point the designers were going to make something extend/retract, but then decided not to. Mine has no place to store the gun in truck mode. Should we add this variation to the G2 Hero entry?

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==20TH/MP==
It's a little detail, but the pic used for the 20TH Anniversary MasterPiece Convoy Optimus Prime is kind of wrong: I think it's a testshot model that has never been sold (battle damage with long stacks and wrong light's feet colors) Also, he is a lille misstransformed as the matrix "hidder" is on the wrong side.
:Its a stock photo of one of the longstack protos Hasbro keeps using for promotional images. I chose these photos because its hard to find stock photos of the actual product (I don't want to use somebody else's photos), and they're actually photographed pretty well, with no major posing or transformation problems aside from the bumper in his chest. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::The errors should be noted, though, so we know we have to replace this photo eventually. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd prefer a really good photo, since its the best toy he has, so might as well get the best pics possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Do you think we could take a remy pic?

The text for the Masterpiece/20th Prime is a bit... um... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
: Accurate?
: Abit what? I believe I wrote that at 4am. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I recently got this and thought there was somet stuff worth noting... I don't know whether I've got what is now the standard, or something specifically "UK". I ordered it off Amazon UK and I've seen the same thing in Forbidden Planet here. Anyway, whatever it is, it has the small smoke stacks, no shiny chromy bits, and much more simplistic paintwork than the battledamaged US release. The Ion Blaster is also a mix of blue, silver and yellow as opposed to black or grey. Oh it comes with a talking stand too, although it's rather obviously not Peter Cullen they recorded... Something I was also curious about is the pair of voice communicators in his arms. On mine he has a sticker of Grimlock on the right, and Megatron on the left, however, the box shows Starscream. Is there just a random assortment that varies from item to item? Well, anyway, I, umm, thought some of this information might be pertinent. Sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this stuff up. DS (sorry, no account) [[User:82.69.45.136|82.69.45.136]] 10:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's the Classics DVD version. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|check here]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just got MP-1. Mine came with Grimlock on the right and Megatron on the left wrist communicator. --[[User:Thecrookedman|Thecrookedman]] 8:35 PM, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Classics ==

The entry for Classics Voyager Optimus Prime (and the matching entry at [[Ultra Magnus (G1)]]) claims that his two guns "can combine together to form a back-mounted shoulder weapon." I've never heard of Classics Prime having such a feature, at least not officially. Can somebody confirm or deny? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

:It's true - you leave the wind vane attached to his back, and you can then plug the smokestacks into that, and angle the whole shebang up over his shoulders to make a twin cannon. It's official an' in his instructions and stuff. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

::I never knew that. Cool. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 04:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Flat character==

I always thought so. Compared with Megatron, he had no charisma. He was wayyyy too honorable, level-headed, mature, just, wise, noble, etc.. *blech*[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 21:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sorry Prime wasn't evil enough for your tastes, but as far as I can tell that doesn't have anything to do with his ''toy...'' --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

What about [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act267/ this guy]? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
===Revoltech===
Shouldn't Revoltech be in merchandise? I moved it in that section, but someone else move it back in toys without explaining why.

:By what possible definition is a Revoltech action figure not a toy and a 3" Titanium figure a toy? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::I know, but Titanium has transformable toys, at least. I think the best definition would be toys=sold directly by Hasbro/takara, that would make Revoltech a merchandise. But what about McDonald Toys, then? Anyway, even if the difference between Merchandise and toys became kind of blur for Mc Donald, [[Titanium Series]], and Even [[Action Master]], Revoltech is not sell directly by Takara/Hasbro, and neither does it transform. Which clearly set him in Merchandise at the same title than "Metal Force"--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Um, wow. I know we have some idiosyncratic definitions on this Wiki (like "Comics-only character"), but I'd be very much against creating our own peculiar definition of TOY that's "sold by Takara/Hasbro". And "there's a toy that transforms in the package" as a definition would suddenly make 99% of my G.I. Joe collection not toys... --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Titaniums are directly sold by Hasbro in the same way the Kenner-branded Beast Wars and Machine Wars were. Plus, most of the characters with 3" Titaniums I've seen have them under "merchandise". Puls, while the Action Master figures (usually) didn't transform, their weapons or vehicles ''did'', and they were a mainline to boot. However, there's also guys like [[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]], who has a transforming toy, but said toy is bolted to a radio that keeps his legs pointed outward. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::...In the Transformers line, Of course I don't know why I should even precise that. And I don't want to create my own definition of Merchandise/Toys differentiation, I want one to be officially created, by general consensus (unless there is already one? If so a link to it would be appreciated)! That's why I Talk about it in the Discussion part: What make a Merchandise and what make a Toy? And in which category should Revoltech be put?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If we must have a clear criterion, I think "produced by Hasbro/Takara" may be the best we can do. And yes, that would mean moving most promotional toys like Happy Meals out of "toys" and into something else. Sadly, it would also affect toys made by GiG in Italy or by Estrela in Brazil, without some sort of concession. <s>Those were at least the same molds, so, we could base it on who owned the rights to the tooling at the time the item was produced, since GiG and Estrela were licensing them but wouldn't have owned them. (Not who ''made'' the original tooling, since then toys like Omega Supreme and Roadbuster are out.)</s>
:Hasbro '''owned''' the Bandai tooling used to filled out the line in 1985? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops -- no, they didn't. Don't know why I even wrote that. So that idea's out completely then. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Personally though I would rather not have a set rule for it, and instead decide things case by case. We could keep a list in the help pages of what items "count" as toys and what items don't. It's a subjective thing, but, I think we'll end up with the smallest number of silly categorizations that way. As Rotty says, I can't imagine any definition of the word "toy" that would exclude a Revoltech figure. They are nothing like Metalforce Prime. Metalforce is, IMO, very much in the "statue" area and not the "toy" area. A 3" Titanium is pretty much just a statue too, to me, but a SCF/HoC PVC figurine is moving closer to "toy".

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:I basically agree with Steve. The line between the two is fuzzy, but I feel that most everybody would agree with decisions, in this case, made somewhat arbitrarily. I don't think it's too hard to easily discern what was produced to be played with, and what was produced to be a display piece. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think we can come up with a pretty good definition in that toys are designed to be played with. You can say of them that they have a "play pattern", as I did at [[Multi-property brand]]. So figures that transform into something else are toys. If you play with them by having them interact with vehicles and accessories, also toys. [[Attacktix]], [[Built to Rule!]], [[MyClone]], [[Revoltech]], those are also meant to be played with. There's really no way to play with 3" Titaniums, but it would be nice to keep [[Titanium Series]] entirely under Toys when the same character has both 6" and 3" figures. 3" Titaniums and SCFs are a gray area. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Notice that this "to be able to play with" distinction fall apart for softimus Prime and Optimash Prime, who are definitively done to play with. Yet, personally I would never move them in the toys Section.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::There's a point here, but I really think it needs to be a) signed and b) not phrased as threat of protest in order to weigh it against other opinions expressed. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just Forgot to sign (happen from time to time, sorry) and there was absolutely no will of threat when I tipped it.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Hasbro and Takara have some exact standard by which they determine what's a toy and what's merchandise? Perhaps toys tend to belong to "lines" or assortments, whereas merchandise tends to be a one-off item? There is an assortment of Titaniums, there is certainly an assortment of actual main-line figures, but there is only one Optimash Prime? Certainly we cannot strictly use the amount of "one", but perhaps this is where we can be arbitrary, if not being wholly arbitrary? There are only two Softformers, only one Metalforce... I suppose Masterpiece now has enough items to be considered a line? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nice idea, but the Heroes of Cybertron series goes against that logic.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::We're currently counting Robot Heroes as Merchandise, and that line's set to get fairly extensive. SCF would also have to be switched to toys, when you really can't play with them. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wall Statues==
I went to my local Toys Be We today, looking for a Classics Bumblebee, and discovered three Classics Primes, a 20th DVD Anniversary Prime....and Megatron and Optimus Prime Wall Statues. [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=116021&N=27+&nvalue=27 Here] and [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=114687&N=27+&nvalue=27 here]. Pricy, but yummy-lookin'. I wish I had three hundred bucks to blow on all three...but I'll be content (for now) with my Classics Prime. If somebody wants to add the statues to the merchandise for Optimus and Megsy, go ahead. [[User:Kendrakirai|Kendrakirai]] 04:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

==Original G1 Toy==
We don't seem to have a picture of the original toy. I think given its importance to the line (and its many releases) It would be great to have a good collection of pictures of it emphasising its many features and variations (ie New Years Convoy, TF Collection version with axe). [[User:Azereal|Azereal]] 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:When I wrote this article, I attempted to track down as many images as I could find for all the figures I listed and described. But G1 Prime was difficult, because I wasn't sure any fan photo would be more deserving than any other for it, and I couldn't find a stock Hasbro/Takara photo of the original team was of good visual quality. I think I'll leave if for you guys to figure out, now. - FFN in class

We need a pic of this toy with its trailer and alternate modes. That's kind of a big thing to be missing there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The encore trailer sports a 1992 mold year. Is this the G2 retool, and if so, what changes were made? Also, is there any info on trailer variants?--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 01:48, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==New additions==
Hi guys. I was just reading thru this AWSOME article and noticed a few more recent things were missing. I hope you like my additions. --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:Thank you. I am pretty awesome at writing about toys I don't actually own :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well, you certainly do a great job, because I actually do own most of them (not that I'm bragging), and I can't really better any of the descriptions in your entries. Nice work! :-)
::In case you're interested, I'm a Prime/Megsy completist, at least in the sense of I buy each officially produced ''transforming'' (or at least highly articulated) mould. I'd like to think that I'm not a slave to repaints, but if they reflect something that's actually in the fiction I'll sometimes cave, ala Powerlinx Armada Prime. As a sideline I collect ''most'' iterations of Starscream, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Grimlock. Oh, and Beast Wars/Machines characters who were actually in the shows. All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::To be fair, I've not seriously edited this page since creating it in January, so the sheer majority of the work since then (especially of the new toys released since January) were written by other members, and the entire Trivia section was originally by Nevermore and somebody else who I can't remember, unfortunately. But still, I am very proud of it as toys are a sorely neglected subject on this wiki. A single sentence about toys is not good enough unless the product in question doesn't do anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

====Slightly altered how?====
:Me again. Just a question; does anyone know what the actual difference is between the original Japanese [[Pepsi Convoy]] and the supposedly "slightly altered" U.S. release? I've just added the U.S. version here since, unlike Pepsi Convoy, he ''is'' actually supposed to be Optimus. However, I don't know what this small difference is supposed to be, since I only own the Japanese version myself.

:Also, I understand that this was a convention exclusive of some variety, but was it just a BotCon thing, or was it available at ComiCon and/or anywhere else? Purchase or competition?

:Any help?

:Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The only differences I'm aware of are the character distinction and the packaging. Oh, and I assume the US version has short stacks. (I have the Japanese one.) It was sold by Hasbro Toy Shop at BotCon and San Diego Comic-Con this year. It's something they sold at whatever convention they were at, as part of their normal stock. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks dude! Much appreciated. Yeah, now that you mention it, looking at the picture I added I can see the small stacks. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Snarky commentary==
Who the heck put all the snarky commentary in the sections for iPod Convoy, the Nike thing, the Pepsi things ect? I actually have a good idea who did it, but I'll refrain from naming names. For the most part, this article is meant to be informative in comparison to most articles on the wiki, so we should restrain ourselves from adding colour commentary and giving "cute" nicknames for the toys. I would also advise this person to stop displaying the toy images as large as possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dear FFN,
:PacifistPrime here.
:I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions. I am responsible for the so-called "snarky" comments that you have unilaterally excised, however, you are incorrect in describing them as having been "put" into the relevant sections such as Nike and iPod Convoy, because I originated all those sections myself in the first place. As the original author, the tone of my writing can hardly be described as an insertion or imposition to pre-existing material, since those whole sections were my own original contributions.
:Regarding the "naming of names", I don't know if I was the user you had in mind or not, but I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making this all sound like some clandestine snarkfest: I wrote the entries whilst logged in and never made any attempt to make my contribution anonymously.
:As to the "snarky commentary", with all due respect (and acknowledging you're doubtless a more frequent contributor than myself): Are you serious? One of the most pervasive and appealing things about this wiki is its sense of humour and light, joshing tone. My comments are satirical and jovial at worst, hardly snarky. I mean, honestly, you don't want us to become like the mirthless uptights over at Wookieepedia, do you?
:And I challenge you to dispute that my contributions on these toys aren't ''thoroughly'' informative. I believe that my wry comments in no way detract from the article's informativeness.
:Finally, if the image sizes are too large, I'm more than happy to concede that. I just made them a size which seemed adequately large to understand, but if you feel strongly otherwise, I don't much care on this point.
:Rather than just reverting your edits, I'm hoping we can discuss this. I'd be good if some other users will weigh in on this matter. I hope I am not out of line here, but I really believe that FFN's appraisal of my work (and his edits) are excessive (and somewhat contrary to the flavour of this wiki), especially as they have stood intact for several months.
:All the best,
:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The problem is not me wanting to excise humour from the wiki (if you'll noted me in talk pages and on TFW2005, I am a staunch defender of the Wiki's tone and sense of humour), the problem is the jokes got in the way of conveying information with them starting off with commentary about Prime's corporate shilling and the various nicknames you gave to the toys. In any case, the number of jokes didn't fit the tone of the rest of the article, or really, the tone of the toy sections of the rest of the wiki. Now, I really do appreciate you for writing about the Japanese toys, but really, with humour sometimes less is more.
::Oh, somebody needs to find an out-of-box photo of iPod Convoy. I only have stock photos of iPod Optimus Prime. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, FFN, what can I say? I disagree. I really don't think you can reasonably argue that the jokes were "getting in the way", as all the useful information was clearly there. Frankly, I think the running gag that Japanese Convoy is addicted to endorsement deals was a perfectly relevant bit of observational humour, given how obviously egregious 2007 was for this fact, and it's a damn shame to have it removed.
:::Does anyone else want to weigh in here?
:::Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:I have no strong opinion on it. I think there were probably too many jokes before, but it would be okay for some of them to be put back in. I do think the "nickames" for the toys are probably a bad idea. Since we're talking about Japanese-exclusive toys that American fans won't know much about, it's probably better to call them by their real names all the time to avoid confusion. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::That sounds reasonable to me. I can appreciate the point about the excessively cute/smartass nicknames. If I could restore the running note of observational humour about Convoy's excessive number of corporate endorsements, I'd be happy. Whaddaya reckon, FFN? Anyone else?
::--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::Okay, I'd just prefer it if we didn't bash people over the head with the joke like say, the The Chaser's War on Everything or something. I prefer my satire to be more subtle and be left for the viewer to notice, like Newstopia. Funnily enough I love both shows.
:::Edit: Sorry for not replying soon, I didn't notice this talk page had been updated since January. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I take it from the Chaser reference that you're a fellow Aussie TransFan, FFN...? Anyway, I've restored the two header jokes about Japanese Prime being addicted to endorsement deals but ''without'' reinserting any of the name-based jokes, as per our discussion. (n.b. The remaining use of "iPodimus Prime" was actually still there, I didn't put it back in. I assume that means you thought one mention was okay when you were removing all the others. I'd appreciate that one use being left that way too, as I think it rolls off the toungue an is fankly pretty amusing, if I do say so myself...).
::::I hope that's all cool with everyone now.
::::Peace, --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I am. That's fine now. Could you write about the iPod Optimus Prime redeco? Yeah, his name is Optimus Prime [[Transformers (film)|for some reason]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am probably a bit late, but i think the whole "convoy loves corporate endorsements" thing is hilarious and does not detract at all from the informative nature of the article. Just thought i would throw my opinion out there.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main Image ==

''"We need a more appropriate image, one that only has G1 Primes on it."'' 
While I agree with [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] that that would be ideal, the image that ''was'' there is so filled with awesome that I vote we keep it in place until we have something better. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:Didn't Remy Rodis do one like this, with a buttillion Primes all together? Maybe you should bug him about it. -hx, still not logged in.

== 25th Anniversary Pack ==

Sooooo... what do we file the umpteenth rerelease of this toy under? Universe? Universe (2008)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Universe (2008). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Pepsi Optimus Prime==
Are we sure Pepsi Optimus Prime was Pepsi Convoy? I thought he was just Optimus Prime, not a seperate character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yeah, they're two different dudes. Pepsi Convoy is a character separate from Optimus Prime created to shill, and Pepsi Optimus Prime is just Optimus Prime The Shill. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fictional apperances ==

I was looking through the toylist and I thought it might be interesting to have some kind of note about fictional appearances of the toys, or a "toy-only" note. It would be neat to look at the Combat Hero toy and see that it appeared at the end of the G2 comic. The note could have a range, Issues 5–7 of Marvel comics or something. Some of them, like Masterpiece don't really count as it is supposed to be the original. Just an idea. Maybe it is too messy to attempt. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:42, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Just to follow up: Hearing no objection I went ahead and added the info back then, but the recent consensus seems to be to not have it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

== Original toy influence ==

Please explain why this was cut. Is it ''not true''? Is it somehow not relevant in some bizarro-world way that I'm not seeing? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:53, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:"The first Optimus Prime toy was the inspiration for lots of Optimus Prime toys later". NO SHIT, REALLY? Should it also BE NOTED THAT? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is also worth noting! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::Optimus Primes in every continuity family, Ultra Magnuses, evil clones, BW leaders, even a faction sigil or two... the toy has influence that ranges across the entire history of the brand, multiple characters, universes, and franchises. It's the root of a huge family tree. This may be obvious to you and me, sure, because we are all uber-robot geeks here. But there is nothing ''inherently'' obvious about it at all. If "obvious" is our criteria, why are we describing the toy at all?
:: (I was gonna contrast that with all the stuff we describe that can be PLAINLY SEEN FROM PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TOY, but strangely enough we're missing photos of his alternate mode and trailer.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:14, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:::No answer? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:14, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Alternity? ==

Wasn't our Alternity section more expansive than this? Did we lose everything in the Bookworm Crash? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Trannies?==

The G2 Laser Optimus Prime section talks about "The Trannies" awards, and that the figure won twice, and also lost to its own repaint. Can anyone provide an insight to these awards? How were they decided, by whom, where, when, who won, when did they stop, etc? Presumably either on its own page or a suitable sub-section of someone else's (eg: if they were done by Hasbro, a section on the Hasbro page). [[Special:Contributions/118.208.172.41|118.208.172.41]] 06:19, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:They were held on [[alt.toys.transformers]] (and related newsgroups) during the late 90s/early 00s, organised by [[Robert Jung]]. The awards were decided by email vote. A [http://groups.google.com/groups/search?safe=off&q=trannies+group%3Aalt.toys.transformers Google Groups search] may help enlighten. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:29, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:edited out the name of the award because it's a slur. {{unsigned|Mandoimissmst3k}}
::Reverted your vandalixm. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:12, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Why is it vandalism? The word's a slur, including the nickname of a long dead award provides no necessary context and it seems tone deaf at best, actively hostile at worst -[[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 08:32, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Because the word as used here is not a slur, as it is not being used in reference to a person. It is the actual name of the award, that is all the context that is needed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::That's not how slurs work. even if no one involved in the process realized it was a slur (and, to be honest, that's pretty unlikely. That term as a slur for trans people has been used well earlier than 1996), it still reflects very poorly now. as a reference point, here's the entry on said word from GLAAD's Media Reference guide <blockquote>these words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it extremely offensive.</blockquote> I realize a wiki isn't reporting, but I personally don't consider this incredibly trivial bit of knowledge to be worth the potential pain caused to people. If it were a slur for another group, such as gay people or African Americans, would you be so nonchalant about its use? [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 16:00, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::[[Carbombya]] , [[Spastic]] , [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]
::::::No one is saying it isn't derogatory; we're saying that was the name. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:25, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::If you reread your own citation, you will notice that it is talking about use of the term to describe a person. Your objection here is equivalent to saying that we shouldn't use the phrase "spick and span" because "spic" is a slur for Mexicans. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:27, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I'd argue that it's more akin to not wanting you to use the outdated, racist term for Brazil Nuts. Anyone not deeply versed in Transformers fandom is immediately going to think of the slur when they see that, whereas the phrase you cite is very widely known. Language can be a cudgel against people, and I personally don't value knowledge of an outdated fan award to be worth causing any harm. The example pages that were provided? they discuss things and point out why it's inappropriate, instead of just dropping a slur into a page about Optimus Prime's toys. I've made my argument and I'll drop it, but I also think y'all aught to be ashamed. [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 18:39, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Speaking as a transgender person, I think the name is extremely unfortunate, but its still a piece of history. Not that I think it's really all that notable anymore, but still. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:54, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::On further thought, I think we don't actually have to say the name at all. All due respect to [[Robert Jung]], this isn't an unfortunate official product, it's an unfortunate fan term. I've put in new wording. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:12, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

==Goes somewhere==
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== Another split? ==

So yeah, I'm less than halfway through this big overhaul, and I'm thinking we might need a separate page for all Prime's merchandise, just to take the load off this one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:36, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: That seems fine to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:49, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::Seems a natural split. I would also suggest that given the sheer ''number'' of toys we're detailing, the "trivia" section with development info at the bottom ought to actually have its subsections moved up to the toys they're discussing. The original toy in particular already has a lot of development info in its entry, so merging it with the other info at the bottom would be for the best.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:14, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Generations ==

Where is the Generations deluxe Prime on this page?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:45, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

:That'd be under 'Transformers (2010)', actually. It needs a little tweaking, too; He turns into a '90s International 8100 daycab, and certainly not a racing truck. A flame job on a Civic does not a racecar make. Unfortunately, I apparently don't have enough edits yet to fix it myself. [[Special:Contributions/99.192.95.58|99.192.95.58]] 10:29, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::You should still be able to make the edit, though I'd recommend including a citation/supporting evidence link so any skeptics know you're not just making it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:01, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:::The page was protected some time ago because anons kept adding the Generations WFC Prime to it. Given the date of TOM's original post, that's the Prime he's asking about too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:19, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::::Ah, I see. I thought 99.192.95.58 was phrasing it that way because he was afraid his own editing record wouldn't hold enough weight and so it'd just get reverted.
::::In that case, 99.192.95.58, you have to register first, and then you can edit the page. It isn't contingent on how many edits you've made in the past. (That's mainly for adding funny captions.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:25, 11 March 2011 (EST)

==Pepsi Prime==
Crazysteve, fount of robot wisdom, found [http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2010/10/coke-may-have-made-santa-claus-but.html photos and ads advertising Pepsi Prime]. Apparently he wasn't a mail-away, he was a contest promotion (at least initially.) If your [http://www.usasoda.com/images/pc86-57.JPG Specially Marked Can] of Pepsi had "WIN" under the tab, you took the tab to a Pepsi bottler and they gave you a Prime. Huh. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:14, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Another another split? ==

This page is currently the third longest non-MSTF page on the wiki, should it be split? And if so, how? Toyline? Years? We've never had to deal with this problem before, a little discussion seems in order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:23, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:I don't see any point in further splitting. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:27, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Transformers 2010/Reveal The Shield ==

The G2 remake Prime was shipped (in the UK at least and I'm sure elsewhere) under the Reveal The Shield branding, this was on the card and the figure features the rubsign which is the token feature of the line. I'm not sure 'Transformers 2010' is the best title for the section.

It might also be worth mentioning the matrix gimmick. The inside of the side windows are molded with a (non removable) matrix relief. In robot mode, this is visible through the windshield/chest. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 19:49, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Reveal the Shield is just a subline imprint, no different than previous examples like AllSpark Power or the Unicron Battles. In those cases we use the main franchise name for the section, not the subline. The only reason this seems weird here is because there isn't a distinctive franchise name here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:06, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Will add a short line about the matrix gimmick, any objections, please discuss. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 16:08, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

I just checked over his instructions and the head doesn't look like the toy's (i.e no mouthplate). As per the trend of [[Skullgrin|different]] [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|looking]] [[Axor|head's in]] [[Black Shadow (Victory)|instructions]], I'd like to ask what it may be if there is to be a not yet announced retool. Everyone place your bets. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 14:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:Thunderclash is my bet. Have read (on Seibertron.com I think) that we won't see another RTS wave until the TF3 toy rush is over. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 17:00, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== ((Yet) Another) G1 Retool? ==

Can someone confirm that Encore Prime uses the G2 retool (backpack)? Or that the BAPE release uses the Chronicles retool (trailer post)? I think it's worth chronicling the evolution of the mold itself, step by step, along with copyrights and stuff. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:29, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

== Powermaster Rerelease? ==

I might have accidentally skipped it, but was there a rerelease of Powermaster Optimus Prime? If not, did I SERIOUSLY just skip over an MISB PMOP for $50 at Nekocon? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 17:59, 7 November 2011 (EST)
: Powermaster Optimus Prime (with Apex Armor) was one of the first Toys R Us G1 reissue exclusives. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 7 November 2011 (EST)

== Masterpiece Prime ==

On the first Prime Masterpiece figure, one of his communicators has Starscream on the screen. has he sent Roller to the Decepticon base so that he could spy on them, or something? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 18:01, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Well probably no [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:46, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== 2010 Sons of Cybertron ==

Is there any reason this and other figures aren't being put into their own toyline rather than just shoved in G1? I mean they seem so out of place with the rest of the figures on those sections.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

== Mail away 1986 movie edition. ==

I have a 1986 mail away movie edition optimus prime, still in the cardboard box it was mailed in, the article said it is considered rare. I was wondering if anyone knows the value on this optimus. If anyone sees this and has any info please email me @ lclemley@comcast.net.

nice how did you get it :O [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:43, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== Generation 2 ==
Somehow in the trillions of times I have come to this page I never noticed this sentence, "The traditionally dark blue internal components of the trailer are a lighter blue, as is Roller," My G2 Optimus (personally purchased off the shelf of TRU) has all dark blue internal components and a dark blue Roller. I don't remember if I bought him early on in G2 or later, but does anyone have any insight here? [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 17:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Nevermind. Figured it out. Adding it to the entry. [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 16:59, 6 January 2013 (EST)

== 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece MP-01 Convoy ==

Contrary to what the article currently claims, Takara's version came out first. [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/remy-updates-with-a-masterpiece-convoy-preview/1851/ Remy got his by December 11, 2003], which would place the official Japanese release date somewhere around that time (''Binaltech'' Lambor was officially released on December 12). [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optims-prime-gallery/2384/news.html Remy had 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime by January 9, 2004], making this the earliest confirmed date regarding the toy's availability in Hong Kong. [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-in-stock-bbts/2349/news.html Big Bad Toy Store received their shipment ahead of schedule on December 29, 2003], and [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-prime-in-stores-now/2205/ Seibertron reported the first brick and mortar sighting on US soil on February 2, 2004].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 01:49, 23 January 2013 (EST)

== Generations Orion Pax's axe peg-ability ==

After seeing OptiMagnus's addition to the article, I decided to give it a looksee on mine. The Ion blaster (or indeed any 5mm-pegged accessory) can plug into it, there's a groove in the larger blade of the axe, close to the shaft, that forms three quarters of a 5mm-accomodating slot. I have no idea if its presence is deliberate, accidental, what purpose it might've been meant to serve or even if it's worth mentionning on the article proper... but it's there. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] ([[User talk:Detour|talk]]) 02:39, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

I think it may be intended for storage in robot mode. In addition to the blaster pegging into the axe, the axe itself can also be loosely stored behind his back by sliding the handle down between the wheels on his back (either intentionally or unintentionally designed). Combining both of these "features" gives you storage for both weapons in robot mode. [[User:OptiMagnus|OptiMagnus]] ([[User talk:OptiMagnus|talk]]) 02:56, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

== FJ Cruiser X Transformers FJ Optimus Prime ==

I have noticed that FJ Optimus Prime is missing from the Wiki. As I can't read the bio I'm not 100% sure he is a G1 Prime, but if he is he should be added here. [[User:DELTAprime|DELTAprime]] ([[User talk:DELTAprime|talk]]) 23:58, 4 July 2014 (EDT)

== Another another split? (II) ==

:''21:54 (cur | prev) . . (+235)‎ . . Mimi (Talk | contribs) (Maybe this page should be split up...)''

I fully agree (it came up above, but Interrobang shut it down), the problem is... how? Move the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#The_many_releases_of_Optimus_Prime|''many'' reissues and repaints of the original toy]] (and possibly reissues of other toys too) to a new [sub]subpage, linked from below the mould's first release?

[Should probably split out the toys/merch of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]] as well...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 18:40, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:I would just pick an arbitrary year to split and go from there. I think 75%/25% ratio would work since there will inevitably be more toys. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 19:08, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

== 2012 Commemorative Series ==
I'm looking at the cabs for the 2012 reissues of both Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. They both seem to have an altered hitch which now has a hole their weapons can plug into. I don't have the 25th anniversary Prime but from online pics, it doesn't seem to have this change. Does anyone know which version of the cab did or is this a new addition? Also it seems that while the trailer is the same bright grey of the 25th anniversary Prime, his cab is back to the darker red and blue though again, I can't confirm. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 19:17, 25 June 2015 (EDT)
*Nevermind, I found it. It appears to be the Chronicle remold that came with Movie Optimus Prime. Probably why the trailer is from the 25th set.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 00:45, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== Should we add Optimal Optimus to this article, too? ==

If we go by what the show depicts, Optimal Optimus is created when Primal takes in G1 Prime's Spark. So does that technically qualify Optimal Optimus as being a toy of G1 Optimus? Even the toy bio says that exposure to a "nebulous entity" (a basic way to describe a Spark) created Optimal Optimus. I think Optimal Optimus should go on this page, but I may as well post here so as to avoid looking like a tool. What do you guys think? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 11:41, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:No. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:55, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:Not remotely. Optimus Prime's spark is an unconscious passenger in Optimus Primal's body, which is reformatted to contain it. We're not going to put every Transformer Starscream's ghost possessed on Starscream's page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:56, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::This is technically a different situation to that, though; Starscream's ghost didn't create a whole new body for his host(s), he simply took control of it/them. Optimal Optimus is a body that was ''created'' by Optimus Prime's Spark being in the same body as Optimus Primal's, which presumably meant that holding Prime's Spark had something to do with the Optimal Optimus upgrade in the first place (in-fiction, of course). By itself, it's not entirely notable. But ''given the context of the fiction it's presented in'', I think it might be considered acceptable to have the toy on both Primal's page and Prime's page. To quote our very article on Optimal Situation (emphasis mine);
<blockquote>"Blackarachnia and Silverbolt activate the Ark's repair systems to help stabilize Optimus Prime's condition, but the Autobot leader is still dying, and "reality is still in flux". The other Maximals arrive, and upon seeing Prime, realize that they must save him. However, his spark is fading. Believing there is no other choice, ''Optimus Primal merges his spark with Prime's to save it. He succeeds'', and Rhinox summons an Autobot repair device to begin restoring Prime's body. ''Holding Prime's spark causes Primal to expand into a new, larger body.''"</blockquote>

::Holding Optimus Prime's Spark is what causes Optimus Primal to gain the Optimal Optimus body, and from the time he gets it to the time he returns it, he gets both a new flanging effect and a deeper voice; and the deeper voice dissapears after Optimal Situation, IIRC. So Prime's Spark almost definitely played some part in the Optimal upgrade; Primal even directly orders the Maximals to "transform and roll out" when he'd never done so before or afterwards; it's only when he has Prime's spark that he says it, so it's entirely possible that the two were sharing the body in some capacity. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:47, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::All that seems rather like what happens to Hot Rod when he becomes Rodimus Prime, and we don't put Rodimus's toys on the pages of all previous Matrix holders. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:54, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::Well, because it's pretty obvious that passing the Matrix =/= sharing a body in the strictest sense. This is one character (Primal, in this case) ''sharing'' a body with the Spark of another (Optimus Prime) that causes an upgrade, not the passing of a sacred implement from one person to another person (as in Hot Rod becoming Rodimus Prime when the Matrix is passed to him). [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:58, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::::You are SERIOUSLY overthinking all of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:01, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Maybe, but discussion about these sorts of overthinking topics is better than making the edit, having it reverted and ''then'' starting the talk discussion. Makes for a more calm atmosphere for clean discussion, which is good for productivity. I'm finding it rather nice to have this sort of discussion.

::::::And besides, if we don't have discussions about these sorts of irrelevant topics, what type of fan-wiki would we be? :p It's almost like a fan-wiki tradition to have people bring up utterly irrelevant topics just to discuss them. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:43, 10 December 2015 (EST)

== Titans Return Leader ==

I left a message on Walky's page but no dice. I'm trying to do a little research on Prime's new Powermaster form and a couple of his features are said variously to work okay, poorly, or not at all. In particular, mounting one of his guns on his chest plate in base mode - I'm able to do it just fine, other are saying it either damaged the paint, pops off, or that it flat out won't peg in. Anyone else have any insight into why this might be, or how their particular unit is faring? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 13:01, 7 October 2016 (EDT)

== Orion Pax ==

Given the number of Orion Pax toys out or currently pending, can we consider ways to make them easier to locate? Right now the best I can do is CTRL+F for "Orion Pax" here. Maybe a separate [[Orion Pax (G1)/Toys]] page? Keep everything currently on this page here, but duplicate the Orion toys onto a sub-page, linked to at the top? Thoughts? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 14:12, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:Optimus Prime (G1)/Orion Pax toys? Alternatively Optimus Prime (G1)/toys/Orion Pax. We do need to split up this page somewhere, since it's gigantic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:17, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I was thinking we could take all the promotional Primes (Pepsi Optimus, BAPE, ect) and move them to a "Promotional" page. It would make it shorter, at the least. [[User:NewtypeS3|NewtypeS3]] ([[User talk:NewtypeS3|talk]]) 17:17, 25 October 2017 (EDT)

== Power of the Primes Optimus ==

Normally I'd change this myself, but since one of the captions also plays into this, I figured I'd bring it up here. The description for this figure notes that Optimus "transforms from a smokestack-less truck with a trailer into a robot and back." In point of fact, the truck does have smokestacks. They're stubby and red, but they're part of the hinge that connects Orion's shoulder ball joints. There's even sculpted detail for the smokestack's heat shields. I just removed this mention from the description, but the caption for the Optimus combined mode makes the smokestacks the punchline. That should probably change, too. [[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] ([[User talk:Pjdonnell|talk]]) 03:52, 6 February 2018 (EST)
:OK, I didn't notice it since I first saw the stock renders. Sorry. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 05:04, 6 February 2018 (EST)

== Star Convoy (mis)assembly confusion ==

"The joint piece that connects the star-shaped piece is (presumably) misassembled: The joint's cavity is supposed to face backwards. This is actually the correct position, as flipping the piece only increases the issue of connecting the star piece firmly. " I'm not sure I understand what is being said here. Which way does the piece actually face? Which way is it supposed to face? The way it is written seems to be saying 1) that we think the current assembly is wrong, 2) that the current assembly actually is wrong, and 3) that the current assembly is right. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:21, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
:"Sigh" removed for now. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 09:26, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

== POTP Evolution Optimus Prime ==

While reading through the page, the section for the Power of the Primes Leader-class figure made me stop and examine it more closely. The claim that "many details" including a "nearly identical" head sculpt to the MP-10 Masterpiece toy is incredibly dubious. A simple side-by-side of the example pictures shows that isn't true, especially about the heads which are not very similar sculpts at all. While it's likely that the POTP figure took some inspiration from the MP-10 figure, the former does not appear to have any parts taken directly from the latter, and really, it's likely because both figures are trying to be as Optimus Prime as possible. I don't own either figure, but it's pretty easy to see this is inaccurate. If someone who does own the figure could rewrite that section, it would be appreciated.

== G2 Hero Variation ==

My G2 Hero Optimus Prime seems to be a variation not mentioned here or on TFU.info. It lacks the hole for the blue gun to mount on the rocket launcher in truck mode. I compared it to my Destructicon Scourge, which does have this hole, and it is indeed a mold variation. I'm guessing mine was an early release, and subsequent releases included the hole. Mine also has a molded gear, that feels as if you could tun it to make something extend/retract (kinda like G1 Perceptor's head gear) but it is just molded into the blue launcher part and is not an actual gear. Perhaps at some point the designers were going to make something extend/retract, but then decided not to. Mine has no place to store the gun in truck mode. Should we add this variation to the G2 Hero entry?

== G2 Hero Variation ==

My G2 Hero Optimus Prime seems to be a variation not mentioned here or on TFU.info. It lacks the hole for the blue gun to mount on the rocket launcher in truck mode. I compared it to my Destructicon Scourge, which does have this hole, and it is indeed a mold variation. I'm guessing mine was an early release, and subsequent releases included the hole. Mine also has a molded gear, that feels as if you could turn it to make something extend/retract (kinda like G1 Perceptor's head) but it is just molded into the blue launcher part and is not an actual gear. Perhaps at some point the designers were going to make something extend/retract, but then decided not to. Mine has no place to store the gun in truck mode. Should we add this variation to the G2 Hero entry?

Talk:Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

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==20TH/MP==
It's a little detail, but the pic used for the 20TH Anniversary MasterPiece Convoy Optimus Prime is kind of wrong: I think it's a testshot model that has never been sold (battle damage with long stacks and wrong light's feet colors) Also, he is a lille misstransformed as the matrix "hidder" is on the wrong side.
:Its a stock photo of one of the longstack protos Hasbro keeps using for promotional images. I chose these photos because its hard to find stock photos of the actual product (I don't want to use somebody else's photos), and they're actually photographed pretty well, with no major posing or transformation problems aside from the bumper in his chest. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::The errors should be noted, though, so we know we have to replace this photo eventually. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd prefer a really good photo, since its the best toy he has, so might as well get the best pics possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Do you think we could take a remy pic?

The text for the Masterpiece/20th Prime is a bit... um... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
: Accurate?
: Abit what? I believe I wrote that at 4am. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I recently got this and thought there was somet stuff worth noting... I don't know whether I've got what is now the standard, or something specifically "UK". I ordered it off Amazon UK and I've seen the same thing in Forbidden Planet here. Anyway, whatever it is, it has the small smoke stacks, no shiny chromy bits, and much more simplistic paintwork than the battledamaged US release. The Ion Blaster is also a mix of blue, silver and yellow as opposed to black or grey. Oh it comes with a talking stand too, although it's rather obviously not Peter Cullen they recorded... Something I was also curious about is the pair of voice communicators in his arms. On mine he has a sticker of Grimlock on the right, and Megatron on the left, however, the box shows Starscream. Is there just a random assortment that varies from item to item? Well, anyway, I, umm, thought some of this information might be pertinent. Sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this stuff up. DS (sorry, no account) [[User:82.69.45.136|82.69.45.136]] 10:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's the Classics DVD version. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|check here]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just got MP-1. Mine came with Grimlock on the right and Megatron on the left wrist communicator. --[[User:Thecrookedman|Thecrookedman]] 8:35 PM, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Classics ==

The entry for Classics Voyager Optimus Prime (and the matching entry at [[Ultra Magnus (G1)]]) claims that his two guns "can combine together to form a back-mounted shoulder weapon." I've never heard of Classics Prime having such a feature, at least not officially. Can somebody confirm or deny? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

:It's true - you leave the wind vane attached to his back, and you can then plug the smokestacks into that, and angle the whole shebang up over his shoulders to make a twin cannon. It's official an' in his instructions and stuff. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

::I never knew that. Cool. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 04:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Flat character==

I always thought so. Compared with Megatron, he had no charisma. He was wayyyy too honorable, level-headed, mature, just, wise, noble, etc.. *blech*[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 21:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sorry Prime wasn't evil enough for your tastes, but as far as I can tell that doesn't have anything to do with his ''toy...'' --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

What about [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act267/ this guy]? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
===Revoltech===
Shouldn't Revoltech be in merchandise? I moved it in that section, but someone else move it back in toys without explaining why.

:By what possible definition is a Revoltech action figure not a toy and a 3" Titanium figure a toy? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::I know, but Titanium has transformable toys, at least. I think the best definition would be toys=sold directly by Hasbro/takara, that would make Revoltech a merchandise. But what about McDonald Toys, then? Anyway, even if the difference between Merchandise and toys became kind of blur for Mc Donald, [[Titanium Series]], and Even [[Action Master]], Revoltech is not sell directly by Takara/Hasbro, and neither does it transform. Which clearly set him in Merchandise at the same title than "Metal Force"--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Um, wow. I know we have some idiosyncratic definitions on this Wiki (like "Comics-only character"), but I'd be very much against creating our own peculiar definition of TOY that's "sold by Takara/Hasbro". And "there's a toy that transforms in the package" as a definition would suddenly make 99% of my G.I. Joe collection not toys... --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Titaniums are directly sold by Hasbro in the same way the Kenner-branded Beast Wars and Machine Wars were. Plus, most of the characters with 3" Titaniums I've seen have them under "merchandise". Puls, while the Action Master figures (usually) didn't transform, their weapons or vehicles ''did'', and they were a mainline to boot. However, there's also guys like [[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]], who has a transforming toy, but said toy is bolted to a radio that keeps his legs pointed outward. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::...In the Transformers line, Of course I don't know why I should even precise that. And I don't want to create my own definition of Merchandise/Toys differentiation, I want one to be officially created, by general consensus (unless there is already one? If so a link to it would be appreciated)! That's why I Talk about it in the Discussion part: What make a Merchandise and what make a Toy? And in which category should Revoltech be put?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If we must have a clear criterion, I think "produced by Hasbro/Takara" may be the best we can do. And yes, that would mean moving most promotional toys like Happy Meals out of "toys" and into something else. Sadly, it would also affect toys made by GiG in Italy or by Estrela in Brazil, without some sort of concession. <s>Those were at least the same molds, so, we could base it on who owned the rights to the tooling at the time the item was produced, since GiG and Estrela were licensing them but wouldn't have owned them. (Not who ''made'' the original tooling, since then toys like Omega Supreme and Roadbuster are out.)</s>
:Hasbro '''owned''' the Bandai tooling used to filled out the line in 1985? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops -- no, they didn't. Don't know why I even wrote that. So that idea's out completely then. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Personally though I would rather not have a set rule for it, and instead decide things case by case. We could keep a list in the help pages of what items "count" as toys and what items don't. It's a subjective thing, but, I think we'll end up with the smallest number of silly categorizations that way. As Rotty says, I can't imagine any definition of the word "toy" that would exclude a Revoltech figure. They are nothing like Metalforce Prime. Metalforce is, IMO, very much in the "statue" area and not the "toy" area. A 3" Titanium is pretty much just a statue too, to me, but a SCF/HoC PVC figurine is moving closer to "toy".

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:I basically agree with Steve. The line between the two is fuzzy, but I feel that most everybody would agree with decisions, in this case, made somewhat arbitrarily. I don't think it's too hard to easily discern what was produced to be played with, and what was produced to be a display piece. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think we can come up with a pretty good definition in that toys are designed to be played with. You can say of them that they have a "play pattern", as I did at [[Multi-property brand]]. So figures that transform into something else are toys. If you play with them by having them interact with vehicles and accessories, also toys. [[Attacktix]], [[Built to Rule!]], [[MyClone]], [[Revoltech]], those are also meant to be played with. There's really no way to play with 3" Titaniums, but it would be nice to keep [[Titanium Series]] entirely under Toys when the same character has both 6" and 3" figures. 3" Titaniums and SCFs are a gray area. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Notice that this "to be able to play with" distinction fall apart for softimus Prime and Optimash Prime, who are definitively done to play with. Yet, personally I would never move them in the toys Section.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::There's a point here, but I really think it needs to be a) signed and b) not phrased as threat of protest in order to weigh it against other opinions expressed. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just Forgot to sign (happen from time to time, sorry) and there was absolutely no will of threat when I tipped it.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Hasbro and Takara have some exact standard by which they determine what's a toy and what's merchandise? Perhaps toys tend to belong to "lines" or assortments, whereas merchandise tends to be a one-off item? There is an assortment of Titaniums, there is certainly an assortment of actual main-line figures, but there is only one Optimash Prime? Certainly we cannot strictly use the amount of "one", but perhaps this is where we can be arbitrary, if not being wholly arbitrary? There are only two Softformers, only one Metalforce... I suppose Masterpiece now has enough items to be considered a line? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nice idea, but the Heroes of Cybertron series goes against that logic.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::We're currently counting Robot Heroes as Merchandise, and that line's set to get fairly extensive. SCF would also have to be switched to toys, when you really can't play with them. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wall Statues==
I went to my local Toys Be We today, looking for a Classics Bumblebee, and discovered three Classics Primes, a 20th DVD Anniversary Prime....and Megatron and Optimus Prime Wall Statues. [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=116021&N=27+&nvalue=27 Here] and [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=114687&N=27+&nvalue=27 here]. Pricy, but yummy-lookin'. I wish I had three hundred bucks to blow on all three...but I'll be content (for now) with my Classics Prime. If somebody wants to add the statues to the merchandise for Optimus and Megsy, go ahead. [[User:Kendrakirai|Kendrakirai]] 04:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

==Original G1 Toy==
We don't seem to have a picture of the original toy. I think given its importance to the line (and its many releases) It would be great to have a good collection of pictures of it emphasising its many features and variations (ie New Years Convoy, TF Collection version with axe). [[User:Azereal|Azereal]] 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:When I wrote this article, I attempted to track down as many images as I could find for all the figures I listed and described. But G1 Prime was difficult, because I wasn't sure any fan photo would be more deserving than any other for it, and I couldn't find a stock Hasbro/Takara photo of the original team was of good visual quality. I think I'll leave if for you guys to figure out, now. - FFN in class

We need a pic of this toy with its trailer and alternate modes. That's kind of a big thing to be missing there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The encore trailer sports a 1992 mold year. Is this the G2 retool, and if so, what changes were made? Also, is there any info on trailer variants?--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 01:48, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==New additions==
Hi guys. I was just reading thru this AWSOME article and noticed a few more recent things were missing. I hope you like my additions. --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:Thank you. I am pretty awesome at writing about toys I don't actually own :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well, you certainly do a great job, because I actually do own most of them (not that I'm bragging), and I can't really better any of the descriptions in your entries. Nice work! :-)
::In case you're interested, I'm a Prime/Megsy completist, at least in the sense of I buy each officially produced ''transforming'' (or at least highly articulated) mould. I'd like to think that I'm not a slave to repaints, but if they reflect something that's actually in the fiction I'll sometimes cave, ala Powerlinx Armada Prime. As a sideline I collect ''most'' iterations of Starscream, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Grimlock. Oh, and Beast Wars/Machines characters who were actually in the shows. All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::To be fair, I've not seriously edited this page since creating it in January, so the sheer majority of the work since then (especially of the new toys released since January) were written by other members, and the entire Trivia section was originally by Nevermore and somebody else who I can't remember, unfortunately. But still, I am very proud of it as toys are a sorely neglected subject on this wiki. A single sentence about toys is not good enough unless the product in question doesn't do anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

====Slightly altered how?====
:Me again. Just a question; does anyone know what the actual difference is between the original Japanese [[Pepsi Convoy]] and the supposedly "slightly altered" U.S. release? I've just added the U.S. version here since, unlike Pepsi Convoy, he ''is'' actually supposed to be Optimus. However, I don't know what this small difference is supposed to be, since I only own the Japanese version myself.

:Also, I understand that this was a convention exclusive of some variety, but was it just a BotCon thing, or was it available at ComiCon and/or anywhere else? Purchase or competition?

:Any help?

:Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The only differences I'm aware of are the character distinction and the packaging. Oh, and I assume the US version has short stacks. (I have the Japanese one.) It was sold by Hasbro Toy Shop at BotCon and San Diego Comic-Con this year. It's something they sold at whatever convention they were at, as part of their normal stock. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks dude! Much appreciated. Yeah, now that you mention it, looking at the picture I added I can see the small stacks. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Snarky commentary==
Who the heck put all the snarky commentary in the sections for iPod Convoy, the Nike thing, the Pepsi things ect? I actually have a good idea who did it, but I'll refrain from naming names. For the most part, this article is meant to be informative in comparison to most articles on the wiki, so we should restrain ourselves from adding colour commentary and giving "cute" nicknames for the toys. I would also advise this person to stop displaying the toy images as large as possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dear FFN,
:PacifistPrime here.
:I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions. I am responsible for the so-called "snarky" comments that you have unilaterally excised, however, you are incorrect in describing them as having been "put" into the relevant sections such as Nike and iPod Convoy, because I originated all those sections myself in the first place. As the original author, the tone of my writing can hardly be described as an insertion or imposition to pre-existing material, since those whole sections were my own original contributions.
:Regarding the "naming of names", I don't know if I was the user you had in mind or not, but I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making this all sound like some clandestine snarkfest: I wrote the entries whilst logged in and never made any attempt to make my contribution anonymously.
:As to the "snarky commentary", with all due respect (and acknowledging you're doubtless a more frequent contributor than myself): Are you serious? One of the most pervasive and appealing things about this wiki is its sense of humour and light, joshing tone. My comments are satirical and jovial at worst, hardly snarky. I mean, honestly, you don't want us to become like the mirthless uptights over at Wookieepedia, do you?
:And I challenge you to dispute that my contributions on these toys aren't ''thoroughly'' informative. I believe that my wry comments in no way detract from the article's informativeness.
:Finally, if the image sizes are too large, I'm more than happy to concede that. I just made them a size which seemed adequately large to understand, but if you feel strongly otherwise, I don't much care on this point.
:Rather than just reverting your edits, I'm hoping we can discuss this. I'd be good if some other users will weigh in on this matter. I hope I am not out of line here, but I really believe that FFN's appraisal of my work (and his edits) are excessive (and somewhat contrary to the flavour of this wiki), especially as they have stood intact for several months.
:All the best,
:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The problem is not me wanting to excise humour from the wiki (if you'll noted me in talk pages and on TFW2005, I am a staunch defender of the Wiki's tone and sense of humour), the problem is the jokes got in the way of conveying information with them starting off with commentary about Prime's corporate shilling and the various nicknames you gave to the toys. In any case, the number of jokes didn't fit the tone of the rest of the article, or really, the tone of the toy sections of the rest of the wiki. Now, I really do appreciate you for writing about the Japanese toys, but really, with humour sometimes less is more.
::Oh, somebody needs to find an out-of-box photo of iPod Convoy. I only have stock photos of iPod Optimus Prime. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, FFN, what can I say? I disagree. I really don't think you can reasonably argue that the jokes were "getting in the way", as all the useful information was clearly there. Frankly, I think the running gag that Japanese Convoy is addicted to endorsement deals was a perfectly relevant bit of observational humour, given how obviously egregious 2007 was for this fact, and it's a damn shame to have it removed.
:::Does anyone else want to weigh in here?
:::Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:I have no strong opinion on it. I think there were probably too many jokes before, but it would be okay for some of them to be put back in. I do think the "nickames" for the toys are probably a bad idea. Since we're talking about Japanese-exclusive toys that American fans won't know much about, it's probably better to call them by their real names all the time to avoid confusion. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::That sounds reasonable to me. I can appreciate the point about the excessively cute/smartass nicknames. If I could restore the running note of observational humour about Convoy's excessive number of corporate endorsements, I'd be happy. Whaddaya reckon, FFN? Anyone else?
::--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::Okay, I'd just prefer it if we didn't bash people over the head with the joke like say, the The Chaser's War on Everything or something. I prefer my satire to be more subtle and be left for the viewer to notice, like Newstopia. Funnily enough I love both shows.
:::Edit: Sorry for not replying soon, I didn't notice this talk page had been updated since January. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I take it from the Chaser reference that you're a fellow Aussie TransFan, FFN...? Anyway, I've restored the two header jokes about Japanese Prime being addicted to endorsement deals but ''without'' reinserting any of the name-based jokes, as per our discussion. (n.b. The remaining use of "iPodimus Prime" was actually still there, I didn't put it back in. I assume that means you thought one mention was okay when you were removing all the others. I'd appreciate that one use being left that way too, as I think it rolls off the toungue an is fankly pretty amusing, if I do say so myself...).
::::I hope that's all cool with everyone now.
::::Peace, --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I am. That's fine now. Could you write about the iPod Optimus Prime redeco? Yeah, his name is Optimus Prime [[Transformers (film)|for some reason]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am probably a bit late, but i think the whole "convoy loves corporate endorsements" thing is hilarious and does not detract at all from the informative nature of the article. Just thought i would throw my opinion out there.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main Image ==

''"We need a more appropriate image, one that only has G1 Primes on it."'' 
While I agree with [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] that that would be ideal, the image that ''was'' there is so filled with awesome that I vote we keep it in place until we have something better. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:Didn't Remy Rodis do one like this, with a buttillion Primes all together? Maybe you should bug him about it. -hx, still not logged in.

== 25th Anniversary Pack ==

Sooooo... what do we file the umpteenth rerelease of this toy under? Universe? Universe (2008)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Universe (2008). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Pepsi Optimus Prime==
Are we sure Pepsi Optimus Prime was Pepsi Convoy? I thought he was just Optimus Prime, not a seperate character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yeah, they're two different dudes. Pepsi Convoy is a character separate from Optimus Prime created to shill, and Pepsi Optimus Prime is just Optimus Prime The Shill. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fictional apperances ==

I was looking through the toylist and I thought it might be interesting to have some kind of note about fictional appearances of the toys, or a "toy-only" note. It would be neat to look at the Combat Hero toy and see that it appeared at the end of the G2 comic. The note could have a range, Issues 5–7 of Marvel comics or something. Some of them, like Masterpiece don't really count as it is supposed to be the original. Just an idea. Maybe it is too messy to attempt. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:42, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Just to follow up: Hearing no objection I went ahead and added the info back then, but the recent consensus seems to be to not have it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

== Original toy influence ==

Please explain why this was cut. Is it ''not true''? Is it somehow not relevant in some bizarro-world way that I'm not seeing? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:53, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:"The first Optimus Prime toy was the inspiration for lots of Optimus Prime toys later". NO SHIT, REALLY? Should it also BE NOTED THAT? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is also worth noting! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::Optimus Primes in every continuity family, Ultra Magnuses, evil clones, BW leaders, even a faction sigil or two... the toy has influence that ranges across the entire history of the brand, multiple characters, universes, and franchises. It's the root of a huge family tree. This may be obvious to you and me, sure, because we are all uber-robot geeks here. But there is nothing ''inherently'' obvious about it at all. If "obvious" is our criteria, why are we describing the toy at all?
:: (I was gonna contrast that with all the stuff we describe that can be PLAINLY SEEN FROM PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TOY, but strangely enough we're missing photos of his alternate mode and trailer.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:14, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:::No answer? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:14, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Alternity? ==

Wasn't our Alternity section more expansive than this? Did we lose everything in the Bookworm Crash? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Trannies?==

The G2 Laser Optimus Prime section talks about "The Trannies" awards, and that the figure won twice, and also lost to its own repaint. Can anyone provide an insight to these awards? How were they decided, by whom, where, when, who won, when did they stop, etc? Presumably either on its own page or a suitable sub-section of someone else's (eg: if they were done by Hasbro, a section on the Hasbro page). [[Special:Contributions/118.208.172.41|118.208.172.41]] 06:19, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:They were held on [[alt.toys.transformers]] (and related newsgroups) during the late 90s/early 00s, organised by [[Robert Jung]]. The awards were decided by email vote. A [http://groups.google.com/groups/search?safe=off&q=trannies+group%3Aalt.toys.transformers Google Groups search] may help enlighten. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:29, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:edited out the name of the award because it's a slur. {{unsigned|Mandoimissmst3k}}
::Reverted your vandalixm. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:12, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Why is it vandalism? The word's a slur, including the nickname of a long dead award provides no necessary context and it seems tone deaf at best, actively hostile at worst -[[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 08:32, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Because the word as used here is not a slur, as it is not being used in reference to a person. It is the actual name of the award, that is all the context that is needed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::That's not how slurs work. even if no one involved in the process realized it was a slur (and, to be honest, that's pretty unlikely. That term as a slur for trans people has been used well earlier than 1996), it still reflects very poorly now. as a reference point, here's the entry on said word from GLAAD's Media Reference guide <blockquote>these words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it extremely offensive.</blockquote> I realize a wiki isn't reporting, but I personally don't consider this incredibly trivial bit of knowledge to be worth the potential pain caused to people. If it were a slur for another group, such as gay people or African Americans, would you be so nonchalant about its use? [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 16:00, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::[[Carbombya]] , [[Spastic]] , [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]
::::::No one is saying it isn't derogatory; we're saying that was the name. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:25, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::If you reread your own citation, you will notice that it is talking about use of the term to describe a person. Your objection here is equivalent to saying that we shouldn't use the phrase "spick and span" because "spic" is a slur for Mexicans. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:27, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I'd argue that it's more akin to not wanting you to use the outdated, racist term for Brazil Nuts. Anyone not deeply versed in Transformers fandom is immediately going to think of the slur when they see that, whereas the phrase you cite is very widely known. Language can be a cudgel against people, and I personally don't value knowledge of an outdated fan award to be worth causing any harm. The example pages that were provided? they discuss things and point out why it's inappropriate, instead of just dropping a slur into a page about Optimus Prime's toys. I've made my argument and I'll drop it, but I also think y'all aught to be ashamed. [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 18:39, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Speaking as a transgender person, I think the name is extremely unfortunate, but its still a piece of history. Not that I think it's really all that notable anymore, but still. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:54, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::On further thought, I think we don't actually have to say the name at all. All due respect to [[Robert Jung]], this isn't an unfortunate official product, it's an unfortunate fan term. I've put in new wording. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:12, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

==Goes somewhere==
[[Image:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb]]

== Another split? ==

So yeah, I'm less than halfway through this big overhaul, and I'm thinking we might need a separate page for all Prime's merchandise, just to take the load off this one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:36, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: That seems fine to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:49, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::Seems a natural split. I would also suggest that given the sheer ''number'' of toys we're detailing, the "trivia" section with development info at the bottom ought to actually have its subsections moved up to the toys they're discussing. The original toy in particular already has a lot of development info in its entry, so merging it with the other info at the bottom would be for the best.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:14, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Generations ==

Where is the Generations deluxe Prime on this page?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:45, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

:That'd be under 'Transformers (2010)', actually. It needs a little tweaking, too; He turns into a '90s International 8100 daycab, and certainly not a racing truck. A flame job on a Civic does not a racecar make. Unfortunately, I apparently don't have enough edits yet to fix it myself. [[Special:Contributions/99.192.95.58|99.192.95.58]] 10:29, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::You should still be able to make the edit, though I'd recommend including a citation/supporting evidence link so any skeptics know you're not just making it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:01, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:::The page was protected some time ago because anons kept adding the Generations WFC Prime to it. Given the date of TOM's original post, that's the Prime he's asking about too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:19, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::::Ah, I see. I thought 99.192.95.58 was phrasing it that way because he was afraid his own editing record wouldn't hold enough weight and so it'd just get reverted.
::::In that case, 99.192.95.58, you have to register first, and then you can edit the page. It isn't contingent on how many edits you've made in the past. (That's mainly for adding funny captions.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:25, 11 March 2011 (EST)

==Pepsi Prime==
Crazysteve, fount of robot wisdom, found [http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2010/10/coke-may-have-made-santa-claus-but.html photos and ads advertising Pepsi Prime]. Apparently he wasn't a mail-away, he was a contest promotion (at least initially.) If your [http://www.usasoda.com/images/pc86-57.JPG Specially Marked Can] of Pepsi had "WIN" under the tab, you took the tab to a Pepsi bottler and they gave you a Prime. Huh. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:14, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Another another split? ==

This page is currently the third longest non-MSTF page on the wiki, should it be split? And if so, how? Toyline? Years? We've never had to deal with this problem before, a little discussion seems in order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:23, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:I don't see any point in further splitting. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:27, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Transformers 2010/Reveal The Shield ==

The G2 remake Prime was shipped (in the UK at least and I'm sure elsewhere) under the Reveal The Shield branding, this was on the card and the figure features the rubsign which is the token feature of the line. I'm not sure 'Transformers 2010' is the best title for the section.

It might also be worth mentioning the matrix gimmick. The inside of the side windows are molded with a (non removable) matrix relief. In robot mode, this is visible through the windshield/chest. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 19:49, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Reveal the Shield is just a subline imprint, no different than previous examples like AllSpark Power or the Unicron Battles. In those cases we use the main franchise name for the section, not the subline. The only reason this seems weird here is because there isn't a distinctive franchise name here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:06, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Will add a short line about the matrix gimmick, any objections, please discuss. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 16:08, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

I just checked over his instructions and the head doesn't look like the toy's (i.e no mouthplate). As per the trend of [[Skullgrin|different]] [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|looking]] [[Axor|head's in]] [[Black Shadow (Victory)|instructions]], I'd like to ask what it may be if there is to be a not yet announced retool. Everyone place your bets. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 14:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:Thunderclash is my bet. Have read (on Seibertron.com I think) that we won't see another RTS wave until the TF3 toy rush is over. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 17:00, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== ((Yet) Another) G1 Retool? ==

Can someone confirm that Encore Prime uses the G2 retool (backpack)? Or that the BAPE release uses the Chronicles retool (trailer post)? I think it's worth chronicling the evolution of the mold itself, step by step, along with copyrights and stuff. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:29, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

== Powermaster Rerelease? ==

I might have accidentally skipped it, but was there a rerelease of Powermaster Optimus Prime? If not, did I SERIOUSLY just skip over an MISB PMOP for $50 at Nekocon? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 17:59, 7 November 2011 (EST)
: Powermaster Optimus Prime (with Apex Armor) was one of the first Toys R Us G1 reissue exclusives. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 7 November 2011 (EST)

== Masterpiece Prime ==

On the first Prime Masterpiece figure, one of his communicators has Starscream on the screen. has he sent Roller to the Decepticon base so that he could spy on them, or something? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 18:01, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Well probably no [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:46, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== 2010 Sons of Cybertron ==

Is there any reason this and other figures aren't being put into their own toyline rather than just shoved in G1? I mean they seem so out of place with the rest of the figures on those sections.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

== Mail away 1986 movie edition. ==

I have a 1986 mail away movie edition optimus prime, still in the cardboard box it was mailed in, the article said it is considered rare. I was wondering if anyone knows the value on this optimus. If anyone sees this and has any info please email me @ lclemley@comcast.net.

nice how did you get it :O [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:43, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== Generation 2 ==
Somehow in the trillions of times I have come to this page I never noticed this sentence, "The traditionally dark blue internal components of the trailer are a lighter blue, as is Roller," My G2 Optimus (personally purchased off the shelf of TRU) has all dark blue internal components and a dark blue Roller. I don't remember if I bought him early on in G2 or later, but does anyone have any insight here? [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 17:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Nevermind. Figured it out. Adding it to the entry. [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 16:59, 6 January 2013 (EST)

== 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece MP-01 Convoy ==

Contrary to what the article currently claims, Takara's version came out first. [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/remy-updates-with-a-masterpiece-convoy-preview/1851/ Remy got his by December 11, 2003], which would place the official Japanese release date somewhere around that time (''Binaltech'' Lambor was officially released on December 12). [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optims-prime-gallery/2384/news.html Remy had 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime by January 9, 2004], making this the earliest confirmed date regarding the toy's availability in Hong Kong. [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-in-stock-bbts/2349/news.html Big Bad Toy Store received their shipment ahead of schedule on December 29, 2003], and [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-prime-in-stores-now/2205/ Seibertron reported the first brick and mortar sighting on US soil on February 2, 2004].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 01:49, 23 January 2013 (EST)

== Generations Orion Pax's axe peg-ability ==

After seeing OptiMagnus's addition to the article, I decided to give it a looksee on mine. The Ion blaster (or indeed any 5mm-pegged accessory) can plug into it, there's a groove in the larger blade of the axe, close to the shaft, that forms three quarters of a 5mm-accomodating slot. I have no idea if its presence is deliberate, accidental, what purpose it might've been meant to serve or even if it's worth mentionning on the article proper... but it's there. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] ([[User talk:Detour|talk]]) 02:39, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

I think it may be intended for storage in robot mode. In addition to the blaster pegging into the axe, the axe itself can also be loosely stored behind his back by sliding the handle down between the wheels on his back (either intentionally or unintentionally designed). Combining both of these "features" gives you storage for both weapons in robot mode. [[User:OptiMagnus|OptiMagnus]] ([[User talk:OptiMagnus|talk]]) 02:56, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

== FJ Cruiser X Transformers FJ Optimus Prime ==

I have noticed that FJ Optimus Prime is missing from the Wiki. As I can't read the bio I'm not 100% sure he is a G1 Prime, but if he is he should be added here. [[User:DELTAprime|DELTAprime]] ([[User talk:DELTAprime|talk]]) 23:58, 4 July 2014 (EDT)

== Another another split? (II) ==

:''21:54 (cur | prev) . . (+235)‎ . . Mimi (Talk | contribs) (Maybe this page should be split up...)''

I fully agree (it came up above, but Interrobang shut it down), the problem is... how? Move the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#The_many_releases_of_Optimus_Prime|''many'' reissues and repaints of the original toy]] (and possibly reissues of other toys too) to a new [sub]subpage, linked from below the mould's first release?

[Should probably split out the toys/merch of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]] as well...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 18:40, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:I would just pick an arbitrary year to split and go from there. I think 75%/25% ratio would work since there will inevitably be more toys. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 19:08, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

== 2012 Commemorative Series ==
I'm looking at the cabs for the 2012 reissues of both Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. They both seem to have an altered hitch which now has a hole their weapons can plug into. I don't have the 25th anniversary Prime but from online pics, it doesn't seem to have this change. Does anyone know which version of the cab did or is this a new addition? Also it seems that while the trailer is the same bright grey of the 25th anniversary Prime, his cab is back to the darker red and blue though again, I can't confirm. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 19:17, 25 June 2015 (EDT)
*Nevermind, I found it. It appears to be the Chronicle remold that came with Movie Optimus Prime. Probably why the trailer is from the 25th set.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 00:45, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== Should we add Optimal Optimus to this article, too? ==

If we go by what the show depicts, Optimal Optimus is created when Primal takes in G1 Prime's Spark. So does that technically qualify Optimal Optimus as being a toy of G1 Optimus? Even the toy bio says that exposure to a "nebulous entity" (a basic way to describe a Spark) created Optimal Optimus. I think Optimal Optimus should go on this page, but I may as well post here so as to avoid looking like a tool. What do you guys think? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 11:41, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:No. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:55, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:Not remotely. Optimus Prime's spark is an unconscious passenger in Optimus Primal's body, which is reformatted to contain it. We're not going to put every Transformer Starscream's ghost possessed on Starscream's page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:56, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::This is technically a different situation to that, though; Starscream's ghost didn't create a whole new body for his host(s), he simply took control of it/them. Optimal Optimus is a body that was ''created'' by Optimus Prime's Spark being in the same body as Optimus Primal's, which presumably meant that holding Prime's Spark had something to do with the Optimal Optimus upgrade in the first place (in-fiction, of course). By itself, it's not entirely notable. But ''given the context of the fiction it's presented in'', I think it might be considered acceptable to have the toy on both Primal's page and Prime's page. To quote our very article on Optimal Situation (emphasis mine);
<blockquote>"Blackarachnia and Silverbolt activate the Ark's repair systems to help stabilize Optimus Prime's condition, but the Autobot leader is still dying, and "reality is still in flux". The other Maximals arrive, and upon seeing Prime, realize that they must save him. However, his spark is fading. Believing there is no other choice, ''Optimus Primal merges his spark with Prime's to save it. He succeeds'', and Rhinox summons an Autobot repair device to begin restoring Prime's body. ''Holding Prime's spark causes Primal to expand into a new, larger body.''"</blockquote>

::Holding Optimus Prime's Spark is what causes Optimus Primal to gain the Optimal Optimus body, and from the time he gets it to the time he returns it, he gets both a new flanging effect and a deeper voice; and the deeper voice dissapears after Optimal Situation, IIRC. So Prime's Spark almost definitely played some part in the Optimal upgrade; Primal even directly orders the Maximals to "transform and roll out" when he'd never done so before or afterwards; it's only when he has Prime's spark that he says it, so it's entirely possible that the two were sharing the body in some capacity. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:47, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::All that seems rather like what happens to Hot Rod when he becomes Rodimus Prime, and we don't put Rodimus's toys on the pages of all previous Matrix holders. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:54, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::Well, because it's pretty obvious that passing the Matrix =/= sharing a body in the strictest sense. This is one character (Primal, in this case) ''sharing'' a body with the Spark of another (Optimus Prime) that causes an upgrade, not the passing of a sacred implement from one person to another person (as in Hot Rod becoming Rodimus Prime when the Matrix is passed to him). [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:58, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::::You are SERIOUSLY overthinking all of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:01, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Maybe, but discussion about these sorts of overthinking topics is better than making the edit, having it reverted and ''then'' starting the talk discussion. Makes for a more calm atmosphere for clean discussion, which is good for productivity. I'm finding it rather nice to have this sort of discussion.

::::::And besides, if we don't have discussions about these sorts of irrelevant topics, what type of fan-wiki would we be? :p It's almost like a fan-wiki tradition to have people bring up utterly irrelevant topics just to discuss them. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:43, 10 December 2015 (EST)

== Titans Return Leader ==

I left a message on Walky's page but no dice. I'm trying to do a little research on Prime's new Powermaster form and a couple of his features are said variously to work okay, poorly, or not at all. In particular, mounting one of his guns on his chest plate in base mode - I'm able to do it just fine, other are saying it either damaged the paint, pops off, or that it flat out won't peg in. Anyone else have any insight into why this might be, or how their particular unit is faring? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 13:01, 7 October 2016 (EDT)

== Orion Pax ==

Given the number of Orion Pax toys out or currently pending, can we consider ways to make them easier to locate? Right now the best I can do is CTRL+F for "Orion Pax" here. Maybe a separate [[Orion Pax (G1)/Toys]] page? Keep everything currently on this page here, but duplicate the Orion toys onto a sub-page, linked to at the top? Thoughts? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 14:12, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:Optimus Prime (G1)/Orion Pax toys? Alternatively Optimus Prime (G1)/toys/Orion Pax. We do need to split up this page somewhere, since it's gigantic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:17, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I was thinking we could take all the promotional Primes (Pepsi Optimus, BAPE, ect) and move them to a "Promotional" page. It would make it shorter, at the least. [[User:NewtypeS3|NewtypeS3]] ([[User talk:NewtypeS3|talk]]) 17:17, 25 October 2017 (EDT)

== Power of the Primes Optimus ==

Normally I'd change this myself, but since one of the captions also plays into this, I figured I'd bring it up here. The description for this figure notes that Optimus "transforms from a smokestack-less truck with a trailer into a robot and back." In point of fact, the truck does have smokestacks. They're stubby and red, but they're part of the hinge that connects Orion's shoulder ball joints. There's even sculpted detail for the smokestack's heat shields. I just removed this mention from the description, but the caption for the Optimus combined mode makes the smokestacks the punchline. That should probably change, too. [[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] ([[User talk:Pjdonnell|talk]]) 03:52, 6 February 2018 (EST)
:OK, I didn't notice it since I first saw the stock renders. Sorry. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 05:04, 6 February 2018 (EST)

== Star Convoy (mis)assembly confusion ==

"The joint piece that connects the star-shaped piece is (presumably) misassembled: The joint's cavity is supposed to face backwards. This is actually the correct position, as flipping the piece only increases the issue of connecting the star piece firmly. " I'm not sure I understand what is being said here. Which way does the piece actually face? Which way is it supposed to face? The way it is written seems to be saying 1) that we think the current assembly is wrong, 2) that the current assembly actually is wrong, and 3) that the current assembly is right. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:21, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
:"Sigh" removed for now. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 09:26, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

== POTP Evolution Optimus Prime ==

While reading through the page, the section for the Power of the Primes Leader-class figure made me stop and examine it more closely. The claim that "many details" including a "nearly identical" head sculpt to the MP-10 Masterpiece toy is incredibly dubious. A simple side-by-side of the example pictures shows that isn't true, especially about the heads which are not very similar sculpts at all. While it's likely that the POTP figure took some inspiration from the MP-10 figure, the former does not appear to have any parts taken directly from the latter, and really, it's likely because both figures are trying to be as Optimus Prime as possible. I don't own either figure, but it's pretty easy to see this is inaccurate. If someone who does own the figure could rewrite that section, it would be appreciated.

== G2 Hero Variation ==

My G2 Hero Optimus Prime seems to be a variation not mentioned here or on TFU.info. It lacks the hole for the blue gun to mount on the rocket launcher in truck mode. I compared it to my Destructicon Scourge, which does have this hole, and it is indeed a mold variation. I'm guessing mine was an early release, and subsequent releases included the hole. Mine also has a molded gear, that feels as if you could tun it to make something extend/retract (kinda like G1 Perceptor's head gear) but it is just molded into the blue launcher part and is not an actual gear. Perhaps at some point the designers were going to make something extend/retract, but then decided not to. Mine has no place to store the gun in truck mode. Should we add this variation to the G2 Hero entry?

== G2 Hero Variation ==

My G2 Hero Optimus Prime seems to be a variation not mentioned here or on TFU.info. It lacks the hole for the blue gun to mount on the rocket launcher in truck mode. I compared it to my Destructicon Scourge, which does have this hole, and it is indeed a mold variation. I'm guessing mine was an early release, and subsequent releases included the hole. Mine also has a molded gear, that feels as if you could tun it to make something extend/retract (kinda like G1 Perceptor's head gear) but it is just molded into the blue launcher part and is not an actual gear. Perhaps at some point the designers were going to make something extend/retract, but then decided not to. Mine has no place to store the gun in truck mode. Should we add this variation to the G2 Hero entry?

Talk:Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

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==20TH/MP==
It's a little detail, but the pic used for the 20TH Anniversary MasterPiece Convoy Optimus Prime is kind of wrong: I think it's a testshot model that has never been sold (battle damage with long stacks and wrong light's feet colors) Also, he is a lille misstransformed as the matrix "hidder" is on the wrong side.
:Its a stock photo of one of the longstack protos Hasbro keeps using for promotional images. I chose these photos because its hard to find stock photos of the actual product (I don't want to use somebody else's photos), and they're actually photographed pretty well, with no major posing or transformation problems aside from the bumper in his chest. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::The errors should be noted, though, so we know we have to replace this photo eventually. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd prefer a really good photo, since its the best toy he has, so might as well get the best pics possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::::Do you think we could take a remy pic?

The text for the Masterpiece/20th Prime is a bit... um... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
: Accurate?
: Abit what? I believe I wrote that at 4am. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I recently got this and thought there was somet stuff worth noting... I don't know whether I've got what is now the standard, or something specifically "UK". I ordered it off Amazon UK and I've seen the same thing in Forbidden Planet here. Anyway, whatever it is, it has the small smoke stacks, no shiny chromy bits, and much more simplistic paintwork than the battledamaged US release. The Ion Blaster is also a mix of blue, silver and yellow as opposed to black or grey. Oh it comes with a talking stand too, although it's rather obviously not Peter Cullen they recorded... Something I was also curious about is the pair of voice communicators in his arms. On mine he has a sticker of Grimlock on the right, and Megatron on the left, however, the box shows Starscream. Is there just a random assortment that varies from item to item? Well, anyway, I, umm, thought some of this information might be pertinent. Sorry if this isn't the right place to bring this stuff up. DS (sorry, no account) [[User:82.69.45.136|82.69.45.136]] 10:43, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:That's the Classics DVD version. [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|check here]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:02, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Just got MP-1. Mine came with Grimlock on the right and Megatron on the left wrist communicator. --[[User:Thecrookedman|Thecrookedman]] 8:35 PM, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

== Classics ==

The entry for Classics Voyager Optimus Prime (and the matching entry at [[Ultra Magnus (G1)]]) claims that his two guns "can combine together to form a back-mounted shoulder weapon." I've never heard of Classics Prime having such a feature, at least not officially. Can somebody confirm or deny? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:02, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

:It's true - you leave the wind vane attached to his back, and you can then plug the smokestacks into that, and angle the whole shebang up over his shoulders to make a twin cannon. It's official an' in his instructions and stuff. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

::I never knew that. Cool. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 04:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

==Flat character==

I always thought so. Compared with Megatron, he had no charisma. He was wayyyy too honorable, level-headed, mature, just, wise, noble, etc.. *blech*[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 21:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sorry Prime wasn't evil enough for your tastes, but as far as I can tell that doesn't have anything to do with his ''toy...'' --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:12, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Merchandise ==

What about [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act267/ this guy]? --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
===Revoltech===
Shouldn't Revoltech be in merchandise? I moved it in that section, but someone else move it back in toys without explaining why.

:By what possible definition is a Revoltech action figure not a toy and a 3" Titanium figure a toy? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 20:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::I know, but Titanium has transformable toys, at least. I think the best definition would be toys=sold directly by Hasbro/takara, that would make Revoltech a merchandise. But what about McDonald Toys, then? Anyway, even if the difference between Merchandise and toys became kind of blur for Mc Donald, [[Titanium Series]], and Even [[Action Master]], Revoltech is not sell directly by Takara/Hasbro, and neither does it transform. Which clearly set him in Merchandise at the same title than "Metal Force"--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Um, wow. I know we have some idiosyncratic definitions on this Wiki (like "Comics-only character"), but I'd be very much against creating our own peculiar definition of TOY that's "sold by Takara/Hasbro". And "there's a toy that transforms in the package" as a definition would suddenly make 99% of my G.I. Joe collection not toys... --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::Titaniums are directly sold by Hasbro in the same way the Kenner-branded Beast Wars and Machine Wars were. Plus, most of the characters with 3" Titaniums I've seen have them under "merchandise". Puls, while the Action Master figures (usually) didn't transform, their weapons or vehicles ''did'', and they were a mainline to boot. However, there's also guys like [[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]], who has a transforming toy, but said toy is bolted to a radio that keeps his legs pointed outward. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

::::...In the Transformers line, Of course I don't know why I should even precise that. And I don't want to create my own definition of Merchandise/Toys differentiation, I want one to be officially created, by general consensus (unless there is already one? If so a link to it would be appreciated)! That's why I Talk about it in the Discussion part: What make a Merchandise and what make a Toy? And in which category should Revoltech be put?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 21:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

If we must have a clear criterion, I think "produced by Hasbro/Takara" may be the best we can do. And yes, that would mean moving most promotional toys like Happy Meals out of "toys" and into something else. Sadly, it would also affect toys made by GiG in Italy or by Estrela in Brazil, without some sort of concession. <s>Those were at least the same molds, so, we could base it on who owned the rights to the tooling at the time the item was produced, since GiG and Estrela were licensing them but wouldn't have owned them. (Not who ''made'' the original tooling, since then toys like Omega Supreme and Roadbuster are out.)</s>
:Hasbro '''owned''' the Bandai tooling used to filled out the line in 1985? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Whoops -- no, they didn't. Don't know why I even wrote that. So that idea's out completely then. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Personally though I would rather not have a set rule for it, and instead decide things case by case. We could keep a list in the help pages of what items "count" as toys and what items don't. It's a subjective thing, but, I think we'll end up with the smallest number of silly categorizations that way. As Rotty says, I can't imagine any definition of the word "toy" that would exclude a Revoltech figure. They are nothing like Metalforce Prime. Metalforce is, IMO, very much in the "statue" area and not the "toy" area. A 3" Titanium is pretty much just a statue too, to me, but a SCF/HoC PVC figurine is moving closer to "toy".

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:I basically agree with Steve. The line between the two is fuzzy, but I feel that most everybody would agree with decisions, in this case, made somewhat arbitrarily. I don't think it's too hard to easily discern what was produced to be played with, and what was produced to be a display piece. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think we can come up with a pretty good definition in that toys are designed to be played with. You can say of them that they have a "play pattern", as I did at [[Multi-property brand]]. So figures that transform into something else are toys. If you play with them by having them interact with vehicles and accessories, also toys. [[Attacktix]], [[Built to Rule!]], [[MyClone]], [[Revoltech]], those are also meant to be played with. There's really no way to play with 3" Titaniums, but it would be nice to keep [[Titanium Series]] entirely under Toys when the same character has both 6" and 3" figures. 3" Titaniums and SCFs are a gray area. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Notice that this "to be able to play with" distinction fall apart for softimus Prime and Optimash Prime, who are definitively done to play with. Yet, personally I would never move them in the toys Section.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::There's a point here, but I really think it needs to be a) signed and b) not phrased as threat of protest in order to weigh it against other opinions expressed. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::I just Forgot to sign (happen from time to time, sorry) and there was absolutely no will of threat when I tipped it.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I wonder if Hasbro and Takara have some exact standard by which they determine what's a toy and what's merchandise? Perhaps toys tend to belong to "lines" or assortments, whereas merchandise tends to be a one-off item? There is an assortment of Titaniums, there is certainly an assortment of actual main-line figures, but there is only one Optimash Prime? Certainly we cannot strictly use the amount of "one", but perhaps this is where we can be arbitrary, if not being wholly arbitrary? There are only two Softformers, only one Metalforce... I suppose Masterpiece now has enough items to be considered a line? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
:Nice idea, but the Heroes of Cybertron series goes against that logic.--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 22:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::We're currently counting Robot Heroes as Merchandise, and that line's set to get fairly extensive. SCF would also have to be switched to toys, when you really can't play with them. --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

==Wall Statues==
I went to my local Toys Be We today, looking for a Classics Bumblebee, and discovered three Classics Primes, a 20th DVD Anniversary Prime....and Megatron and Optimus Prime Wall Statues. [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=116021&N=27+&nvalue=27 Here] and [http://www.toysrus.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10051&productId=114687&N=27+&nvalue=27 here]. Pricy, but yummy-lookin'. I wish I had three hundred bucks to blow on all three...but I'll be content (for now) with my Classics Prime. If somebody wants to add the statues to the merchandise for Optimus and Megsy, go ahead. [[User:Kendrakirai|Kendrakirai]] 04:57, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

==Original G1 Toy==
We don't seem to have a picture of the original toy. I think given its importance to the line (and its many releases) It would be great to have a good collection of pictures of it emphasising its many features and variations (ie New Years Convoy, TF Collection version with axe). [[User:Azereal|Azereal]] 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:When I wrote this article, I attempted to track down as many images as I could find for all the figures I listed and described. But G1 Prime was difficult, because I wasn't sure any fan photo would be more deserving than any other for it, and I couldn't find a stock Hasbro/Takara photo of the original team was of good visual quality. I think I'll leave if for you guys to figure out, now. - FFN in class

We need a pic of this toy with its trailer and alternate modes. That's kind of a big thing to be missing there. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

The encore trailer sports a 1992 mold year. Is this the G2 retool, and if so, what changes were made? Also, is there any info on trailer variants?--[[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 01:48, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==New additions==
Hi guys. I was just reading thru this AWSOME article and noticed a few more recent things were missing. I hope you like my additions. --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:Thank you. I am pretty awesome at writing about toys I don't actually own :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well, you certainly do a great job, because I actually do own most of them (not that I'm bragging), and I can't really better any of the descriptions in your entries. Nice work! :-)
::In case you're interested, I'm a Prime/Megsy completist, at least in the sense of I buy each officially produced ''transforming'' (or at least highly articulated) mould. I'd like to think that I'm not a slave to repaints, but if they reflect something that's actually in the fiction I'll sometimes cave, ala Powerlinx Armada Prime. As a sideline I collect ''most'' iterations of Starscream, Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Soundwave and Grimlock. Oh, and Beast Wars/Machines characters who were actually in the shows. All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:::To be fair, I've not seriously edited this page since creating it in January, so the sheer majority of the work since then (especially of the new toys released since January) were written by other members, and the entire Trivia section was originally by Nevermore and somebody else who I can't remember, unfortunately. But still, I am very proud of it as toys are a sorely neglected subject on this wiki. A single sentence about toys is not good enough unless the product in question doesn't do anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:30, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

====Slightly altered how?====
:Me again. Just a question; does anyone know what the actual difference is between the original Japanese [[Pepsi Convoy]] and the supposedly "slightly altered" U.S. release? I've just added the U.S. version here since, unlike Pepsi Convoy, he ''is'' actually supposed to be Optimus. However, I don't know what this small difference is supposed to be, since I only own the Japanese version myself.

:Also, I understand that this was a convention exclusive of some variety, but was it just a BotCon thing, or was it available at ComiCon and/or anywhere else? Purchase or competition?

:Any help?

:Thanks, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The only differences I'm aware of are the character distinction and the packaging. Oh, and I assume the US version has short stacks. (I have the Japanese one.) It was sold by Hasbro Toy Shop at BotCon and San Diego Comic-Con this year. It's something they sold at whatever convention they were at, as part of their normal stock. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:34, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks dude! Much appreciated. Yeah, now that you mention it, looking at the picture I added I can see the small stacks. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]

==Snarky commentary==
Who the heck put all the snarky commentary in the sections for iPod Convoy, the Nike thing, the Pepsi things ect? I actually have a good idea who did it, but I'll refrain from naming names. For the most part, this article is meant to be informative in comparison to most articles on the wiki, so we should restrain ourselves from adding colour commentary and giving "cute" nicknames for the toys. I would also advise this person to stop displaying the toy images as large as possible. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:14, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
:Dear FFN,
:PacifistPrime here.
:I'd like to clear up a few misconceptions. I am responsible for the so-called "snarky" comments that you have unilaterally excised, however, you are incorrect in describing them as having been "put" into the relevant sections such as Nike and iPod Convoy, because I originated all those sections myself in the first place. As the original author, the tone of my writing can hardly be described as an insertion or imposition to pre-existing material, since those whole sections were my own original contributions.
:Regarding the "naming of names", I don't know if I was the user you had in mind or not, but I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from making this all sound like some clandestine snarkfest: I wrote the entries whilst logged in and never made any attempt to make my contribution anonymously.
:As to the "snarky commentary", with all due respect (and acknowledging you're doubtless a more frequent contributor than myself): Are you serious? One of the most pervasive and appealing things about this wiki is its sense of humour and light, joshing tone. My comments are satirical and jovial at worst, hardly snarky. I mean, honestly, you don't want us to become like the mirthless uptights over at Wookieepedia, do you?
:And I challenge you to dispute that my contributions on these toys aren't ''thoroughly'' informative. I believe that my wry comments in no way detract from the article's informativeness.
:Finally, if the image sizes are too large, I'm more than happy to concede that. I just made them a size which seemed adequately large to understand, but if you feel strongly otherwise, I don't much care on this point.
:Rather than just reverting your edits, I'm hoping we can discuss this. I'd be good if some other users will weigh in on this matter. I hope I am not out of line here, but I really believe that FFN's appraisal of my work (and his edits) are excessive (and somewhat contrary to the flavour of this wiki), especially as they have stood intact for several months.
:All the best,
:[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
::The problem is not me wanting to excise humour from the wiki (if you'll noted me in talk pages and on TFW2005, I am a staunch defender of the Wiki's tone and sense of humour), the problem is the jokes got in the way of conveying information with them starting off with commentary about Prime's corporate shilling and the various nicknames you gave to the toys. In any case, the number of jokes didn't fit the tone of the rest of the article, or really, the tone of the toy sections of the rest of the wiki. Now, I really do appreciate you for writing about the Japanese toys, but really, with humour sometimes less is more.
::Oh, somebody needs to find an out-of-box photo of iPod Convoy. I only have stock photos of iPod Optimus Prime. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:58, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, FFN, what can I say? I disagree. I really don't think you can reasonably argue that the jokes were "getting in the way", as all the useful information was clearly there. Frankly, I think the running gag that Japanese Convoy is addicted to endorsement deals was a perfectly relevant bit of observational humour, given how obviously egregious 2007 was for this fact, and it's a damn shame to have it removed.
:::Does anyone else want to weigh in here?
:::Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:I have no strong opinion on it. I think there were probably too many jokes before, but it would be okay for some of them to be put back in. I do think the "nickames" for the toys are probably a bad idea. Since we're talking about Japanese-exclusive toys that American fans won't know much about, it's probably better to call them by their real names all the time to avoid confusion. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 23:46, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

::That sounds reasonable to me. I can appreciate the point about the excessively cute/smartass nicknames. If I could restore the running note of observational humour about Convoy's excessive number of corporate endorsements, I'd be happy. Whaddaya reckon, FFN? Anyone else?
::--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::Okay, I'd just prefer it if we didn't bash people over the head with the joke like say, the The Chaser's War on Everything or something. I prefer my satire to be more subtle and be left for the viewer to notice, like Newstopia. Funnily enough I love both shows.
:::Edit: Sorry for not replying soon, I didn't notice this talk page had been updated since January. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I take it from the Chaser reference that you're a fellow Aussie TransFan, FFN...? Anyway, I've restored the two header jokes about Japanese Prime being addicted to endorsement deals but ''without'' reinserting any of the name-based jokes, as per our discussion. (n.b. The remaining use of "iPodimus Prime" was actually still there, I didn't put it back in. I assume that means you thought one mention was okay when you were removing all the others. I'd appreciate that one use being left that way too, as I think it rolls off the toungue an is fankly pretty amusing, if I do say so myself...).
::::I hope that's all cool with everyone now.
::::Peace, --[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 09:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I am. That's fine now. Could you write about the iPod Optimus Prime redeco? Yeah, his name is Optimus Prime [[Transformers (film)|for some reason]]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:22, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I am probably a bit late, but i think the whole "convoy loves corporate endorsements" thing is hilarious and does not detract at all from the informative nature of the article. Just thought i would throw my opinion out there.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:57, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

== Main Image ==

''"We need a more appropriate image, one that only has G1 Primes on it."'' 
While I agree with [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] that that would be ideal, the image that ''was'' there is so filled with awesome that I vote we keep it in place until we have something better. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:34, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

:Didn't Remy Rodis do one like this, with a buttillion Primes all together? Maybe you should bug him about it. -hx, still not logged in.

== 25th Anniversary Pack ==

Sooooo... what do we file the umpteenth rerelease of this toy under? Universe? Universe (2008)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:38, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:Universe (2008). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 05:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

==Pepsi Optimus Prime==
Are we sure Pepsi Optimus Prime was Pepsi Convoy? I thought he was just Optimus Prime, not a seperate character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: Yeah, they're two different dudes. Pepsi Convoy is a character separate from Optimus Prime created to shill, and Pepsi Optimus Prime is just Optimus Prime The Shill. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fictional apperances ==

I was looking through the toylist and I thought it might be interesting to have some kind of note about fictional appearances of the toys, or a "toy-only" note. It would be neat to look at the Combat Hero toy and see that it appeared at the end of the G2 comic. The note could have a range, Issues 5–7 of Marvel comics or something. Some of them, like Masterpiece don't really count as it is supposed to be the original. Just an idea. Maybe it is too messy to attempt. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:42, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
:Just to follow up: Hearing no objection I went ahead and added the info back then, but the recent consensus seems to be to not have it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:59, 27 April 2010 (EDT)

== Original toy influence ==

Please explain why this was cut. Is it ''not true''? Is it somehow not relevant in some bizarro-world way that I'm not seeing? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:53, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:"The first Optimus Prime toy was the inspiration for lots of Optimus Prime toys later". NO SHIT, REALLY? Should it also BE NOTED THAT? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is also worth noting! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:57, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
::Optimus Primes in every continuity family, Ultra Magnuses, evil clones, BW leaders, even a faction sigil or two... the toy has influence that ranges across the entire history of the brand, multiple characters, universes, and franchises. It's the root of a huge family tree. This may be obvious to you and me, sure, because we are all uber-robot geeks here. But there is nothing ''inherently'' obvious about it at all. If "obvious" is our criteria, why are we describing the toy at all?
:: (I was gonna contrast that with all the stuff we describe that can be PLAINLY SEEN FROM PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE TOY, but strangely enough we're missing photos of his alternate mode and trailer.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:14, 17 June 2009 (EDT)
:::No answer? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:14, 23 June 2009 (EDT)

== Alternity? ==

Wasn't our Alternity section more expansive than this? Did we lose everything in the Bookworm Crash? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

==The Trannies?==

The G2 Laser Optimus Prime section talks about "The Trannies" awards, and that the figure won twice, and also lost to its own repaint. Can anyone provide an insight to these awards? How were they decided, by whom, where, when, who won, when did they stop, etc? Presumably either on its own page or a suitable sub-section of someone else's (eg: if they were done by Hasbro, a section on the Hasbro page). [[Special:Contributions/118.208.172.41|118.208.172.41]] 06:19, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:They were held on [[alt.toys.transformers]] (and related newsgroups) during the late 90s/early 00s, organised by [[Robert Jung]]. The awards were decided by email vote. A [http://groups.google.com/groups/search?safe=off&q=trannies+group%3Aalt.toys.transformers Google Groups search] may help enlighten. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:29, 13 August 2009 (EDT)

:edited out the name of the award because it's a slur. {{unsigned|Mandoimissmst3k}}
::Reverted your vandalixm. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:12, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Why is it vandalism? The word's a slur, including the nickname of a long dead award provides no necessary context and it seems tone deaf at best, actively hostile at worst -[[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 08:32, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Because the word as used here is not a slur, as it is not being used in reference to a person. It is the actual name of the award, that is all the context that is needed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::That's not how slurs work. even if no one involved in the process realized it was a slur (and, to be honest, that's pretty unlikely. That term as a slur for trans people has been used well earlier than 1996), it still reflects very poorly now. as a reference point, here's the entry on said word from GLAAD's Media Reference guide <blockquote>these words dehumanize transgender people and should not be used in mainstream media. The criteria for using these derogatory terms should be the same as those applied to vulgar epithets used to target other groups: they should not be used except in a direct quote that reveals the bias of the person quoted. So that such words are not given credibility in the media, it is preferred that reporters say, "The person used a derogatory word for a transgender person." Please note that while some transgender people may use "tranny" to describe themselves, others find it extremely offensive.</blockquote> I realize a wiki isn't reporting, but I personally don't consider this incredibly trivial bit of knowledge to be worth the potential pain caused to people. If it were a slur for another group, such as gay people or African Americans, would you be so nonchalant about its use? [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 16:00, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::[[Carbombya]] , [[Spastic]] , [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]
::::::No one is saying it isn't derogatory; we're saying that was the name. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:25, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::If you reread your own citation, you will notice that it is talking about use of the term to describe a person. Your objection here is equivalent to saying that we shouldn't use the phrase "spick and span" because "spic" is a slur for Mexicans. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:27, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::I'd argue that it's more akin to not wanting you to use the outdated, racist term for Brazil Nuts. Anyone not deeply versed in Transformers fandom is immediately going to think of the slur when they see that, whereas the phrase you cite is very widely known. Language can be a cudgel against people, and I personally don't value knowledge of an outdated fan award to be worth causing any harm. The example pages that were provided? they discuss things and point out why it's inappropriate, instead of just dropping a slur into a page about Optimus Prime's toys. I've made my argument and I'll drop it, but I also think y'all aught to be ashamed. [[User:Mandoimissmst3k|Mandoimissmst3k]] ([[User talk:Mandoimissmst3k|talk]]) 18:39, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
::::::::Speaking as a transgender person, I think the name is extremely unfortunate, but its still a piece of history. Not that I think it's really all that notable anymore, but still. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:54, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::On further thought, I think we don't actually have to say the name at all. All due respect to [[Robert Jung]], this isn't an unfortunate official product, it's an unfortunate fan term. I've put in new wording. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:12, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

==Goes somewhere==
[[Image:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb]]

== Another split? ==

So yeah, I'm less than halfway through this big overhaul, and I'm thinking we might need a separate page for all Prime's merchandise, just to take the load off this one. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:36, 29 November 2009 (EST)
: That seems fine to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:49, 29 November 2009 (EST)
::Seems a natural split. I would also suggest that given the sheer ''number'' of toys we're detailing, the "trivia" section with development info at the bottom ought to actually have its subsections moved up to the toys they're discussing. The original toy in particular already has a lot of development info in its entry, so merging it with the other info at the bottom would be for the best.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:14, 29 November 2009 (EST)

== Generations ==

Where is the Generations deluxe Prime on this page?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:45, 21 May 2010 (EDT)

:That'd be under 'Transformers (2010)', actually. It needs a little tweaking, too; He turns into a '90s International 8100 daycab, and certainly not a racing truck. A flame job on a Civic does not a racecar make. Unfortunately, I apparently don't have enough edits yet to fix it myself. [[Special:Contributions/99.192.95.58|99.192.95.58]] 10:29, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::You should still be able to make the edit, though I'd recommend including a citation/supporting evidence link so any skeptics know you're not just making it up.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:01, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:::The page was protected some time ago because anons kept adding the Generations WFC Prime to it. Given the date of TOM's original post, that's the Prime he's asking about too. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:19, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::::Ah, I see. I thought 99.192.95.58 was phrasing it that way because he was afraid his own editing record wouldn't hold enough weight and so it'd just get reverted.
::::In that case, 99.192.95.58, you have to register first, and then you can edit the page. It isn't contingent on how many edits you've made in the past. (That's mainly for adding funny captions.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:25, 11 March 2011 (EST)

==Pepsi Prime==
Crazysteve, fount of robot wisdom, found [http://pleasesavemerobots.blogspot.com/2010/10/coke-may-have-made-santa-claus-but.html photos and ads advertising Pepsi Prime]. Apparently he wasn't a mail-away, he was a contest promotion (at least initially.) If your [http://www.usasoda.com/images/pc86-57.JPG Specially Marked Can] of Pepsi had "WIN" under the tab, you took the tab to a Pepsi bottler and they gave you a Prime. Huh. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:14, 15 November 2010 (EST)

== Another another split? ==

This page is currently the third longest non-MSTF page on the wiki, should it be split? And if so, how? Toyline? Years? We've never had to deal with this problem before, a little discussion seems in order. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:23, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:I don't see any point in further splitting. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:27, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Transformers 2010/Reveal The Shield ==

The G2 remake Prime was shipped (in the UK at least and I'm sure elsewhere) under the Reveal The Shield branding, this was on the card and the figure features the rubsign which is the token feature of the line. I'm not sure 'Transformers 2010' is the best title for the section.

It might also be worth mentioning the matrix gimmick. The inside of the side windows are molded with a (non removable) matrix relief. In robot mode, this is visible through the windshield/chest. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 19:49, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Reveal the Shield is just a subline imprint, no different than previous examples like AllSpark Power or the Unicron Battles. In those cases we use the main franchise name for the section, not the subline. The only reason this seems weird here is because there isn't a distinctive franchise name here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:06, 30 March 2011 (EDT)
::Ah. Fair enough, thanks for clarifying. Will add a short line about the matrix gimmick, any objections, please discuss. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 16:08, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

I just checked over his instructions and the head doesn't look like the toy's (i.e no mouthplate). As per the trend of [[Skullgrin|different]] [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|looking]] [[Axor|head's in]] [[Black Shadow (Victory)|instructions]], I'd like to ask what it may be if there is to be a not yet announced retool. Everyone place your bets. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 14:06, 1 April 2011 (EDT)
:Thunderclash is my bet. Have read (on Seibertron.com I think) that we won't see another RTS wave until the TF3 toy rush is over. [[User:Iyato|Iyato]] 17:00, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

== ((Yet) Another) G1 Retool? ==

Can someone confirm that Encore Prime uses the G2 retool (backpack)? Or that the BAPE release uses the Chronicles retool (trailer post)? I think it's worth chronicling the evolution of the mold itself, step by step, along with copyrights and stuff. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:29, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

== Powermaster Rerelease? ==

I might have accidentally skipped it, but was there a rerelease of Powermaster Optimus Prime? If not, did I SERIOUSLY just skip over an MISB PMOP for $50 at Nekocon? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 17:59, 7 November 2011 (EST)
: Powermaster Optimus Prime (with Apex Armor) was one of the first Toys R Us G1 reissue exclusives. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 7 November 2011 (EST)

== Masterpiece Prime ==

On the first Prime Masterpiece figure, one of his communicators has Starscream on the screen. has he sent Roller to the Decepticon base so that he could spy on them, or something? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.57|66.82.9.57]] 18:01, 18 November 2011 (EST)

Well probably no [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:46, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== 2010 Sons of Cybertron ==

Is there any reason this and other figures aren't being put into their own toyline rather than just shoved in G1? I mean they seem so out of place with the rest of the figures on those sections.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 18:32, 29 April 2012 (EDT)

== Mail away 1986 movie edition. ==

I have a 1986 mail away movie edition optimus prime, still in the cardboard box it was mailed in, the article said it is considered rare. I was wondering if anyone knows the value on this optimus. If anyone sees this and has any info please email me @ lclemley@comcast.net.

nice how did you get it :O [[User:Convoy278|Convoy278]] ([[User talk:Convoy278|talk]]) 01:43, 11 October 2014 (EDT)

== Generation 2 ==
Somehow in the trillions of times I have come to this page I never noticed this sentence, "The traditionally dark blue internal components of the trailer are a lighter blue, as is Roller," My G2 Optimus (personally purchased off the shelf of TRU) has all dark blue internal components and a dark blue Roller. I don't remember if I bought him early on in G2 or later, but does anyone have any insight here? [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 17:59, 5 January 2013 (EST)

Nevermind. Figured it out. Adding it to the entry. [[User:EShadowP|EShadowP]] 16:59, 6 January 2013 (EST)

== 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime/Masterpiece MP-01 Convoy ==

Contrary to what the article currently claims, Takara's version came out first. [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/remy-updates-with-a-masterpiece-convoy-preview/1851/ Remy got his by December 11, 2003], which would place the official Japanese release date somewhere around that time (''Binaltech'' Lambor was officially released on December 12). [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optims-prime-gallery/2384/news.html Remy had 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime by January 9, 2004], making this the earliest confirmed date regarding the toy's availability in Hong Kong. [http://tformers.com/transformers-20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-in-stock-bbts/2349/news.html Big Bad Toy Store received their shipment ahead of schedule on December 29, 2003], and [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-prime-in-stores-now/2205/ Seibertron reported the first brick and mortar sighting on US soil on February 2, 2004].--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 01:49, 23 January 2013 (EST)

== Generations Orion Pax's axe peg-ability ==

After seeing OptiMagnus's addition to the article, I decided to give it a looksee on mine. The Ion blaster (or indeed any 5mm-pegged accessory) can plug into it, there's a groove in the larger blade of the axe, close to the shaft, that forms three quarters of a 5mm-accomodating slot. I have no idea if its presence is deliberate, accidental, what purpose it might've been meant to serve or even if it's worth mentionning on the article proper... but it's there. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] ([[User talk:Detour|talk]]) 02:39, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

I think it may be intended for storage in robot mode. In addition to the blaster pegging into the axe, the axe itself can also be loosely stored behind his back by sliding the handle down between the wheels on his back (either intentionally or unintentionally designed). Combining both of these "features" gives you storage for both weapons in robot mode. [[User:OptiMagnus|OptiMagnus]] ([[User talk:OptiMagnus|talk]]) 02:56, 31 March 2014 (EDT)

== FJ Cruiser X Transformers FJ Optimus Prime ==

I have noticed that FJ Optimus Prime is missing from the Wiki. As I can't read the bio I'm not 100% sure he is a G1 Prime, but if he is he should be added here. [[User:DELTAprime|DELTAprime]] ([[User talk:DELTAprime|talk]]) 23:58, 4 July 2014 (EDT)

== Another another split? (II) ==

:''21:54 (cur | prev) . . (+235)‎ . . Mimi (Talk | contribs) (Maybe this page should be split up...)''

I fully agree (it came up above, but Interrobang shut it down), the problem is... how? Move the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#The_many_releases_of_Optimus_Prime|''many'' reissues and repaints of the original toy]] (and possibly reissues of other toys too) to a new [sub]subpage, linked from below the mould's first release?

[Should probably split out the toys/merch of [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]] as well...] - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 18:40, 8 August 2014 (EDT)
:I would just pick an arbitrary year to split and go from there. I think 75%/25% ratio would work since there will inevitably be more toys. [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] ([[User talk:Mimi|talk]]) 19:08, 8 August 2014 (EDT)

== 2012 Commemorative Series ==
I'm looking at the cabs for the 2012 reissues of both Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus. They both seem to have an altered hitch which now has a hole their weapons can plug into. I don't have the 25th anniversary Prime but from online pics, it doesn't seem to have this change. Does anyone know which version of the cab did or is this a new addition? Also it seems that while the trailer is the same bright grey of the 25th anniversary Prime, his cab is back to the darker red and blue though again, I can't confirm. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 19:17, 25 June 2015 (EDT)
*Nevermind, I found it. It appears to be the Chronicle remold that came with Movie Optimus Prime. Probably why the trailer is from the 25th set.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] ([[User talk:Riddlerj|talk]]) 00:45, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== Should we add Optimal Optimus to this article, too? ==

If we go by what the show depicts, Optimal Optimus is created when Primal takes in G1 Prime's Spark. So does that technically qualify Optimal Optimus as being a toy of G1 Optimus? Even the toy bio says that exposure to a "nebulous entity" (a basic way to describe a Spark) created Optimal Optimus. I think Optimal Optimus should go on this page, but I may as well post here so as to avoid looking like a tool. What do you guys think? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 11:41, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:No. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:55, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:Not remotely. Optimus Prime's spark is an unconscious passenger in Optimus Primal's body, which is reformatted to contain it. We're not going to put every Transformer Starscream's ghost possessed on Starscream's page. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:56, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::This is technically a different situation to that, though; Starscream's ghost didn't create a whole new body for his host(s), he simply took control of it/them. Optimal Optimus is a body that was ''created'' by Optimus Prime's Spark being in the same body as Optimus Primal's, which presumably meant that holding Prime's Spark had something to do with the Optimal Optimus upgrade in the first place (in-fiction, of course). By itself, it's not entirely notable. But ''given the context of the fiction it's presented in'', I think it might be considered acceptable to have the toy on both Primal's page and Prime's page. To quote our very article on Optimal Situation (emphasis mine);
<blockquote>"Blackarachnia and Silverbolt activate the Ark's repair systems to help stabilize Optimus Prime's condition, but the Autobot leader is still dying, and "reality is still in flux". The other Maximals arrive, and upon seeing Prime, realize that they must save him. However, his spark is fading. Believing there is no other choice, ''Optimus Primal merges his spark with Prime's to save it. He succeeds'', and Rhinox summons an Autobot repair device to begin restoring Prime's body. ''Holding Prime's spark causes Primal to expand into a new, larger body.''"</blockquote>

::Holding Optimus Prime's Spark is what causes Optimus Primal to gain the Optimal Optimus body, and from the time he gets it to the time he returns it, he gets both a new flanging effect and a deeper voice; and the deeper voice dissapears after Optimal Situation, IIRC. So Prime's Spark almost definitely played some part in the Optimal upgrade; Primal even directly orders the Maximals to "transform and roll out" when he'd never done so before or afterwards; it's only when he has Prime's spark that he says it, so it's entirely possible that the two were sharing the body in some capacity. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:47, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::All that seems rather like what happens to Hot Rod when he becomes Rodimus Prime, and we don't put Rodimus's toys on the pages of all previous Matrix holders. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:54, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::Well, because it's pretty obvious that passing the Matrix =/= sharing a body in the strictest sense. This is one character (Primal, in this case) ''sharing'' a body with the Spark of another (Optimus Prime) that causes an upgrade, not the passing of a sacred implement from one person to another person (as in Hot Rod becoming Rodimus Prime when the Matrix is passed to him). [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 12:58, 10 December 2015 (EST)
:::::You are SERIOUSLY overthinking all of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:01, 10 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Maybe, but discussion about these sorts of overthinking topics is better than making the edit, having it reverted and ''then'' starting the talk discussion. Makes for a more calm atmosphere for clean discussion, which is good for productivity. I'm finding it rather nice to have this sort of discussion.

::::::And besides, if we don't have discussions about these sorts of irrelevant topics, what type of fan-wiki would we be? :p It's almost like a fan-wiki tradition to have people bring up utterly irrelevant topics just to discuss them. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:43, 10 December 2015 (EST)

== Titans Return Leader ==

I left a message on Walky's page but no dice. I'm trying to do a little research on Prime's new Powermaster form and a couple of his features are said variously to work okay, poorly, or not at all. In particular, mounting one of his guns on his chest plate in base mode - I'm able to do it just fine, other are saying it either damaged the paint, pops off, or that it flat out won't peg in. Anyone else have any insight into why this might be, or how their particular unit is faring? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 13:01, 7 October 2016 (EDT)

== Orion Pax ==

Given the number of Orion Pax toys out or currently pending, can we consider ways to make them easier to locate? Right now the best I can do is CTRL+F for "Orion Pax" here. Maybe a separate [[Orion Pax (G1)/Toys]] page? Keep everything currently on this page here, but duplicate the Orion toys onto a sub-page, linked to at the top? Thoughts? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 14:12, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
:Optimus Prime (G1)/Orion Pax toys? Alternatively Optimus Prime (G1)/toys/Orion Pax. We do need to split up this page somewhere, since it's gigantic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:17, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
::I was thinking we could take all the promotional Primes (Pepsi Optimus, BAPE, ect) and move them to a "Promotional" page. It would make it shorter, at the least. [[User:NewtypeS3|NewtypeS3]] ([[User talk:NewtypeS3|talk]]) 17:17, 25 October 2017 (EDT)

== Power of the Primes Optimus ==

Normally I'd change this myself, but since one of the captions also plays into this, I figured I'd bring it up here. The description for this figure notes that Optimus "transforms from a smokestack-less truck with a trailer into a robot and back." In point of fact, the truck does have smokestacks. They're stubby and red, but they're part of the hinge that connects Orion's shoulder ball joints. There's even sculpted detail for the smokestack's heat shields. I just removed this mention from the description, but the caption for the Optimus combined mode makes the smokestacks the punchline. That should probably change, too. [[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] ([[User talk:Pjdonnell|talk]]) 03:52, 6 February 2018 (EST)
:OK, I didn't notice it since I first saw the stock renders. Sorry. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 05:04, 6 February 2018 (EST)

== Star Convoy (mis)assembly confusion ==

"The joint piece that connects the star-shaped piece is (presumably) misassembled: The joint's cavity is supposed to face backwards. This is actually the correct position, as flipping the piece only increases the issue of connecting the star piece firmly. " I'm not sure I understand what is being said here. Which way does the piece actually face? Which way is it supposed to face? The way it is written seems to be saying 1) that we think the current assembly is wrong, 2) that the current assembly actually is wrong, and 3) that the current assembly is right. ALL AT THE SAME TIME. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:21, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
:"Sigh" removed for now. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 09:26, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

== POTP Evolution Optimus Prime ==

While reading through the page, the section for the Power of the Primes Leader-class figure made me stop and examine it more closely. The claim that "many details" including a "nearly identical" head sculpt to the MP-10 Masterpiece toy is incredibly dubious. A simple side-by-side of the example pictures shows that isn't true, especially about the heads which are not very similar sculpts at all. While it's likely that the POTP figure took some inspiration from the MP-10 figure, the former does not appear to have any parts taken directly from the latter, and really, it's likely because both figures are trying to be as Optimus Prime as possible. I don't own either figure, but it's pretty easy to see this is inaccurate. If someone who does own the figure could rewrite that section, it would be appreciated.

== G2 Hero Variation ==

My G2 Hero Optimus Prime seems to be a variation not mentioned here or on TFU.info. It lacks the hole for the blue gun to mount on the rocket launcher in truck mode. I compared it to my Destructicon Scourge, which does have this hole, and it is indeed a mold variation. I'm guessing mine was an early release, and subsequent releases included the hole. Mine also has a molded gear, that feels as if you could tun it to make something extend/retract (kinda like G1 Perceptor's head gear) but it is just molded into the blue launcher part and is not an actual gear. Perhaps at some point the designers were going to make something extend/retract, but then decided not to. Mine has no place to store the gun in truck mode. Should we add this variation to the G2 Hero entry?

Talk:Jazz (G1)/toys

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Skrollex: /* Takara History Collection PVC figure */ new section

Two things that I think we need:

* A category for character toy pages
* A small header template for the same, essentially identifying the page as subsidiary to the main character page. This would also be useful if we do things like split Optimus Prime's cartoon and comic appearances off onto their own page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:54, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
Given that <nowiki>[[name (disambig) toys]]</nowiki> looks awkward, why not move to <nowiki>[[name (disambig)/toys]]</nowiki> and turn on the subpages functionality? That would clearly establish this (and other cases, like the looming split of [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]'s fiction section) as subordinate, and look less awkward. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:58, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:I like this plan. I'm proud to be a part of it. Let's do it! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:02, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::Just checked - the subpage functionality (Which can be seen at the top of [[User:SanityOrMadness/test]] - it's just a little note pointing back to the root page) is definitely ''not'' turned on in the main namespace. Even if everyone else is fine with it, we'll need Suzi Brits or someone with equivalent access to turn it on.
::''[and, uh, could a passing sysop please delete <nowiki>[[Optimus Prime (G1)/test]]</nowiki>, which I used to check that?]'' - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, you have to add <tt>$wgNamespacesWithSubpages['0'] = true;</tt> to the LocalSettings file, as the Main namespace has subpages turned off by default. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::::We could just do it the same way we do the various galleries (example: [[Cybertron (planet)]]). - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 01:31, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::{{tl|factions}} gets in the way. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 05:33, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::Balls. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 08:27, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::You know, even before we get the functionality turned on, moving the pages is probably a good idea anyway, since the toy pages aren't really separate articles. (There's some things like the year pages that'd probably benefit from the same.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:39, 23 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Wait a day or two though - if we get any sort of visits-spike from the Animated finale, the site will probably go down, and there will probably be a few redirects, etc to fix from the moves. Best wait on any structural work until we've got a decent chance of finishing it in one go. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 09:23, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

== 'Tis done ==

Moved all the <nowiki>[[NAME toys]]</nowiki> pages I could find with the search function to <nowiki>[[NAME/toys]]</nowiki> since the subpages function has been set up to accommodate it. Now to whack Deceptitran's requests page :) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 12:54, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:Should we do something similar for things like the year subsection pages as well? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:14, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::It might be an idea, but I'd like to hear other thoughts on it first. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)

:Does the subpages function do anything cool? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:40, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::Not especially - it just adds a little link back to the root page under the title. You can see it on this page now. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 14:53, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah. Mainly makes navigation easier.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:55, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Speaking of which, I should probably also ask what we should do about the now-redundant back-navigation on pages like [[Cybertron (planet)/gallery]], if anything at all. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:30, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I personally like the other style of back-links. It looks a bit less stupid than...
::::::<big>'''Jazz (G1)/toys'''</big>
::::::  [[Jazz (G1)|< Jazz (G1)]]
::::::'''[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]''' has appeared as many toys.
:::::...which is how it is now. I reckon turn the subpage function back off, and just have the gallery-style links. We're not going to be putting <nowiki>{{factions}}</nowiki> on the toy pages anyway, are we? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 18:06, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::I would have no problem delinking the "Jazz has..." bit. Indeed, we probably should - and we really should put {{tl|factions}} on the toy pages (specifically for insignia used on the toys) while we're at it. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:22, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I still think it looks a bit silly written underneath itself on three lines like that whether it's linked or not. And as long as the factions are on the character page, and there's a clear link back to it (wherever it may be in regards to the layout), then I don't think they really need to be on the toys' page as well. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 18:34, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::FWIW, the subpages auto-link can be CSS-styled quite easily, if it's the look that's the problem. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:08, 1 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::It's not the look, so much as the placing. I just think it looks a bit silly to have the article's subject stacked three-high like that right at the top of the page. We might as well put another line underneath them saying "This page is about Jazz, by the way, in case you didn't catch that." - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 02:21, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::But the article it's pointing back to is "Jazz (G1)". And I like the placing, and it's consistent across this and other wikis in this way. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 20:10, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:Side effect found. Articles that already had a slash in them now have an automatic unintended point back on them. Example: [[Transformers/G.I. Joe: Divided Front]]. I don't know if it is a problem, it could be ignored. But is there a template like <nowiki>{{lowercase}}</nowiki> that can disable it? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:12, 3 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think this may need to be tweaked at the global CSS level - the wiki software prevents a <style> being hard-coded or transcluded into the page. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:48, 6 June 2009 (EDT)

== Reissues ==

Should reissues be lumped under the entry for the original toy, or should they be given their own entries under ''Transformers Collection'', ''Commemorative Series'' and ''Encore''?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:49, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
:They should get their own entry like you listed them there. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 11:50, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Reveal the Shield ==

Not trying to start an argument, just trying to make my case for the Fairlady comparison: Uni Prowl is based on the 350Z, which has a significantly different rear end from the 370Z, which looks like this
http://www.nissan-insight.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2012-Nissan-370Z.jpg
whereas the Solstice has a dipped rear end that looks completely different from SO Jazz'
: The dipped rear-end, I would imagine, is taken from a Porsche, not any Nissan Z. It makes more sense that RtS Jazz would be a hybrid of his two most celebrated altmodes, rather than part Porsche and part something else entirely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:51, 7 December 2010 (EST)

== Scar on RTS Jazz's face. ==

It took me a bit to notice, but RTS Jazz has a molded "scar" on the right side of his face. Is this notable enough to include in his toy description?
:No he doesn't. You must have a figure with a mold defect. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:09, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::Rrrgh. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 21:35, 12 March 2011 (EST)

==WFC Jazz?==
Shouldn't he be on a different page? Aren't Generations toys based on WFC designs Prime Continuity charachters?--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 17:19, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
:Read the note. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:39, 10 July 2012 (EDT)

== Re-License? ==

Didn't Hasbro already have the license for Porsche? If Jazz was already a Porsche then keep it that way! Right?{{unsigned|CheeseMan}}
:I'm not entirely sure what you are asking about. If you are referring to the original Jazz mold being a Porsche, there was no license from Porsche for that. Laws were different back then, none of the original Autobot car molds was a licensed replica. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:34, 3 January 2014 (EST)

== reverted caption ==

If i make an edit [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith|in good faith]], i think wanting to know why [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jazz_(G1)/toys&diff=1228595&oldid=1228562 someone] [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jazz_(G1)/toys&diff=1228640&oldid=1228628 reverted] it is a reasonable request. If i say "1 + 1 = 10", telling me i'm wrong does not teach me that 1 + 1 = 2. It also denies me the opportunity to teach you what i know about binary.

"Don't be racist. Be like the panda. They're black, white, and Asian." i think [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Keep_in_mind.2C_however...|we can all agree]] racism is bad, and the people i meet in person tend to agree with me both that racism is bad and that this quote is an [[Talk:Main_Page|amusing]] way of saying so.

While i recognize that [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Keep_in_mind.2C_however...|It is okay for an image to have *gasp* ''no caption at all'']], i think the disputed caption is exceptionally appropriate to associate with G1 Jazz. He's a race car, but not a racist (he appreciates the music, arts, and culture of organic creatures from a different planet, many of whom he counts as friends and allies). His deco is largely black and white, his voice actor is black, his altmode was designed by a German company (Germans ironically also being famous for white, racist Nazis), and his toy was designed by an Asian company.

Some people say "It's not funny if you have to explain it." But then, it's not funny and it's not kind to [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Removing_joke_captions|revert it]] without (stated) justification for doing so--and it doesn't help me help the wiki.

i'll check here for comments, and unless there are a huge number of objections (or at least one reasonable objection with a civil explanation of why you object) within a week, i'm putting my caption back up.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 21:48, 13 December 2017 (EST)
:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)
:The "easter egg" linking, particularly since half of them went off-site, was way over the top. But, really, just move on. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
::So the objection is the overuse of linking? Good to know, thanks for explaining. i'll try to cut back on that.
::Saix, it's not just about the caption, it's about making the wiki better. Isn't being kind and helping each other learn the best way to do that?
::--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 03:58, 14 January 2018 (EST)
:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)
::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)
:::::Unjustified (or at least unexplained) reverts ''do'' hurt my feelings, but your point about ''potential terrible feelings'' is a good one. Thank you for pointing that out. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Shelfwarmer status ==

What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. [[User:Battlemaster|Battlemaster]] ([[User talk:Battlemaster|talk]]) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)
:More than ONE WAVE on shelves, that's for damn sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:16, 22 February 2018 (EST)

== Takara History Collection PVC figure ==

The merchandise section is missing the Takara History Collection figure. I have one I could photograph. Anyone want to draft the copy? --[[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 20:45, 16 August 2020 (EDT)

Kup (G1)/toys

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Skrollex:

{{suite}}

[[File:G1 boxart Kup.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|"Death stalks you at every turn!" "Kup!" "Well it ''does''."]]

None of '''Kup'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s toys are as old as him.

{{TOCclear}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1toy-Kup.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"I always get the blame around here! ''Who threw a cane at the TV? Who fell into the china hutch? Who got their dentures stuck on the toilet?''"]]
*'''Kup''' (Autobot, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-82'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Musket laser]]"

:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Kup transforms into a Cybertronic pickup truck (though how he is able to carry goods safely with no tailgate is a mystery). The entire front of the vehicle (including the windshield) is made out of die-cast metal. In [[robot mode]], Kup has full shoulder rotation, though the way his elbows are set up means he cannot make full use of their joints. He (somewhat) makes up for it with swivel wrists. His legs feature no articulation whatsoever. Maybe Hot Rod left a piece out. He is armed with a blue laser rifle. Early releases of Kup had metal rear wheels, while later releases replaced them with black plastic.

:Amusingly, one of the details on the figure's chest sticker depicts a pair of [[floppy disk|5 1/4-inch floppy disk]] drives. Whether that is supposed to indicate that he can store up to two extra Transformers' brains is up to anyone's guess.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Kup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''

{{-}}{{anchor|Targetmaster}}
[[File:G1toy-KupTargetmaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You're a gutsy daredevil with a give-'em-hell attitude and a fourth grade education. You coulda made Sergeant!"]]
*'''Kup''' (Targetmaster, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-113'''
**''Accessories:'' Musket Laser/Recoil Targetmaster partner

:Kup (this time with plastic rear wheels rather than die-cast) was slightly [[retool]]ed with larger fist-holes and a mounting point on his vehicle mode back-end in order to make him into a [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]. He came with his Nebulan partner [[Recoil (G1)|Recoil]] rather than his original blaster.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Kup/kup.htm More information on Targetmaster Kup at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''The Transformers Collection''===
[[File:TransformersCollection20.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"He used to be as smart as a monkey, but now... he's as dumb as a chimp."]]
*'''Future Cybertron''' (Transformers Collection, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TF-20'''
**''Accessories:'' Musket Laser, Musket Laser/Recoil Targetmaster partner (you read that right)

:Targetmaster Kup was reissued in Japan, and like the ''[[The Transformers Collection|Collection]]'' reissue of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#The Transformers Collection|Hot Rod]], he came with his original metal parts restored, as well as both his partner Recoil ''and'' his original gun, which was slightly retooled to fit the larger weapon-mounting points. The set also came with a redecoed [[Wheelie (G1)#The Transformers Collection|Wheelie]].

:This iteration of the mold was used to make [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Collector's Edition|Orion Pax]].
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-KupWoH.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Three wars back we called Sauerkraut 'liberty cabbage' and we called liberty cabbage 'super slaw' and back then a suitcase was known as a 'Swedish lunchbox'. Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling..."]]
*'''Wings of Honor''' ([[BotCon 2009]] box set)
**''Accessories'': Clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Earth Cyber Key

:This ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' version of Kup is a convention-exclusive [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Deluxe Class [[Red Alert (Armada)#Cybertron|Red Alert]] and transforms into a {{w|Dodge Magnum}} emergency vehicle. Plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into the back of his car mode causes two rear side-panels to pop out and reveal two spring-forward non-firing blasters. This gimmick is retained in robot mode, where they become over-shoulder blasters. He features an unusual transformation sequence where both the front and rear halves of the vehicle mode come together to form his legs. His hood halves open to reveal storage space for extra tools (a hammer-head and an opening claw) that can be attached onto his left arm blaster.

:Kup comes in a box set with fellow Autobots [[Flak (G1)#Timelines|Flak]], [[Thunder Clash#Timelines|Thunderclash]], and [[Landshark (G1)#Timelines|Landshark]], and rival Decepticon [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Scourge]].

:The Kup tooling was also the basis of the non-toy ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' incarnation of [[Kup (SG)|Kup]]. The original version of this mold was also used to make ''Cybertron'' [[Cannonball (Cybertron)#Toys|Cannonball]], and the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 movie toyline]] [[Crankcase (Movie)#Toys|Crankcase]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/BCKup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations SergeantKup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"So you see, old people aren't so useless after all. Ironhide's old, and he outsmarted the lot of you. And I'm even older and I outsmarted him! ''Ah ha ha ha!''" "Shut up." "I've had my moment."]]
*'''Sergeant Kup''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' "laser musket" rifle/exhaust pipe

:Part of wave 6 of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'', "Sergeant Kup" sticks to the character's roots, transforming into an old-school (or, alternatively, "retro"-styled) Earth pic'''kup''' truck. The design closely resembles a Honda Ridgeline. He comes with his signature [[Musket laser|laser musket]] weapon, which looks like an actual musket this go-round. Like his contemporaries, Kup is covered in 3 mm rungs that are compatible with [[C joint]] clip-on weapons. There are two rungs on his backpack, plus two rungs each on his forearm [[kibble]], and two on his lower back (these two are shown in the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' version's instructions). The musket can either plug into the underside of the truck, forming a second exhaust pipe, or clip onto the roof of the truck via a C joint. Kup noticeably has a peculiar elbow setup; the top hinge moves vertically, while the bottom hinge moves horizontally. Interestingly, due to his transformation, Kup's truck mode features a working tailgate.

:Despite appearances, his musket does ''not'' have a proper 5 mm peg, being slightly smaller. This makes it impossible for Kup to hold 5 mm accessories without stretching and potentially damaging his hands. Coincidentally, it's about the same size as the smaller peg on [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Grimlock's]] spring loaded launcher, meaning they can swap weapons. The extra, proper 5 mm ring on Grimlock's weapon makes it a loose fit on Kup's open hands, though.

:He was later retooled/redecoed into [[Swerve (G1)#Generations|Swerve]], whose head was depicted in Kup's [[instructions]] before the retool was officially announced, and was separately retooled into [[BotCon 2013]] [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hoist]] and [[Electro#Timelines|Autobot Electrons]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/SergeantKup/kup.htm More information on Sergeant Kup at TFU.info]''
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*'''Autobot Warriors''' (multi-pack, 2014)
:''Accessories:'' "laser musket" rifle/exhaust pipe
:''Generations'' Sergeant Kup was re-released in a three-pack with ''Universe'' [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ratchet]] and ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Perceptor (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]], available from Hasbro Asia and [[TakaraTomy Mall]]. All three Autobots feature new metallic paint decoes.
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====''Platinum Edition''====
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[[File:TF-Generations-Platinum-Edition-Autobot-Heroes-Kup.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Old Man Yells at Cloud'']]
*'''Autobot Heroes''' (5-pack, 2016)
**''Accessories'': Springer's weapons (dual missile launcher, two missiles, rotor blades/sword), Arcee's weapons (2 swords), Kup's "laser musket" rifle/exhaust pipe, Ultra Magnus' 2 guns, Blurr's weapons (Sniper rifle, left & right pistols), Minimus Ambus figure

:Part of Hasbro's ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' offerings for 2016 intended to commemorate the 30th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', Sergeant Kup is a more "[[show-accuracy|screen-accurate]]" redeco of his [[#Generations|''Generations'' Deluxe Class toy]], with his primary plastic color being cast in a lighter shade of teal, the metallic gray plastic parts and paint operations replaced with cyan, and featuring additonal new paint operations (including painted rims).

:Most copies of this figure appear to suffer from the same [[Misassembly|assembly error]] as ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Transformers Timelines]]'' [[Electro#Timelines|Electrons]] and [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hoist]], whereby the central chest assembly doesn't fully rotate up into place. Luckily, this can be [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/hoist-electrons-chest-fix-from-botcon-2013-machine-wars-termination-set.943752/ easily fixed] by removing the three screws holding the chest together and turning the spring-loaded panel inside 180 degrees around, taking care of the spring when reinserting it into its slot.

:Sergeant Kup was released as part of 5-pack with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#AutobotHeroes|Ultra Magnus]] (including [[Minimus Ambus#Platinum Edition|Minimus Ambus]]), [[Springer (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Autobot Springer]], [[Arcee (G1)/toys#AutobotHeroes|Arcee]] and [[Blurr (G1)/toys#AutobotHeroes|Blurr]]. The set also included a recreation of the theatrical poster for the 1986 movie. In the United States, this set was officially a [[Target]] exclusive, but was only available via the company's website, never sold in stores. It was also released in Singapore, although it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not. In Canada, it was available via the Canadian [[Walmart]] website but never found in stores, whereas in the United Kingdom, it was available via the UK [[Toys"R"Us]] website but was sold in some stores. In Spain, it was available via the Spanish subsidiaries of both [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and Carrefour, as well as the department store chain El Corte Inglés, supposedly also only available online. In Germany, it was available via retailer Real and specialty store Rappelkiste Ahlen, also only available online.

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====''Titans Return''====
[[File:TitansReturntoy-SergeantKup.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|"So how do you know so much about American history?" "I pieced it together, mostly from sugar packets."]]
*'''Flintlock & Sergeant Kup''' (Deluxe Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': 2 guns, [[Recoil (G1)|Flintlock]] Titan Master

:''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' "Sergeant Kup" transforms from a robot based on the character's [[Guido Guidi]] ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' design into a futuristic pic'''kup''' truck based on his alt mode in ''The Transformers: The Movie'', with colors based on his original toy. Kup's head is formed by [[Titan Master]] [[Recoil (G1)#Generations|Flintlock]], who can also transform into a robot and pilot Kup's vehicle mode, although the wideness of the cockpit combined with an ineffective tab recess often results in him falling out of position inside.

: Kup's two 5mm guns can combine into a larger weapon incorporating a Titan Master seat, or can be mounted separately on his truck bed, where there are also three pairs of pegs to attach Titan Masters. The guns can also be combined and mounted onto his back in robot mode.

: All copies of Kup (including his redecoes/retools) are misassembled; his leg panels' central lines between the two sculpted square details do not line up with the line extending beyond it. If you want to fix this, you have two options:
::1. You can use a small handsaw to carefully cut off the parts that connect the pieces to his wheels and swap the pieces before gluing them back.
::2. The other option involves using a soldering iron to heat the head of the pins and then pushing the wheels and the panels off, then reattaching them to the correct sides. This can be difficult and risks causing damage to the toy. If attempting this method, USE EXTREME CAUTION to avoid injury.

:This mold was retooled with a new face into ''[[Transformers: Tribute|Tribute]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Tribute|Orion Pax]]. The Sergeant Kup body would have been redecoed as [[Dion (G1)|Dion]] for the attendee freebie for the [[BotCon#BotCon 2017|BotCon 2017]] that never came to be.
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===''United''===
[[File:Unitedtoy-Kup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Yeah, well, I may not have a fancy black bath robe and a hammer like snooty, but I ''do'' have slippers and an oatmeal spoon! Look!"]]
*'''Autobot Kup''' ([[February 26]], [[2011]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-17'''
**''Accessories:'' "Musket gun"/tailpipe
:''[[Transformers United|United]]'' "Autobot Kup" is a [[redeco]] of ''Generations'' Autobot Kup in metallic paint. Other changes include silver paint on his stomach, painted rims, and a smaller Autobot symbol with a silver border. Surprisingly, Kup is presented with his cy-gar attached to his mouth on the back of his package.
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[[File:Unitedtoy-KupeHobby.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Full speed ahead! Dam the torpedos!" "What did he say? Put on our tuxedos?" "I want some taquitos."]]
*'''Autobot SET''' (Multi-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle/tailpipe

:Dubbed "Autobot Kup Damage Version", this [[redeco]] of the 2010 Kup mold (see above) is cast in brighter teals, with silver "scrape" paint marks (as well as other additional paint applications), giving him a more weathered look (despite his more saturated color palette). Official photography depicted this Kup as bright blue, but that was a case of photography having trouble with his shade of teal.

:This version was only available in an [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]] three-pack with a [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|clear-blue Hot Rod]] and [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]]. Preorders for the set were opened on [[December 13]], 2010 and closed on [[January 11]], 2011, and with the set shipping in April.

:This figure was available with a Hot Rod pin and ''[[Macrocosmic Seekers]]'' booklet directly from e-Hobby, he was also released in Asian countries outside of Japan without said pin and booklet.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Cybertron/Kup/kup.htm More information on Autobot Kup Damage Version at TFU.info]''
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===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BotShots Kup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Kids love that water."]]

*'''Scourge / Sergeant Kup / Blitzwing''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''BP006'''
***''Fist strength'': '''762'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''598'''
***''Sword strength'': '''260'''
:Part of the second wave of Series 2 three-packs, "Sergeant Kup" is a redeco of [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#SpinShot|Spin Shot Ironhide]] in cyan in homage to Generation 1 Kup and thus turns into a pickup truck with a massive spoiler. As a Spin Shot toy, an impact to his front bumper will cause him to autotransform while his top half spins around.

:The second wave of Series 2 three-packs didn't reach mass retail in the United States, only showing up in discount stores like Ross.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSKup/kup.htm More information on Sergeant Kup at TFU.info]''

===''Kre-O''===
[[File:KreO-Toy KupKreon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Here you go, ya ingrate. Think of ME when you're having the best sex of your life!"]]
*'''Autobot Kup''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2014)
**''Bag number'': '''33501 39'''
**''Accessories'': Stand-brick, small pistol

: Part of the fourth full series of [[blindpacking|blind-packed]] [[Kreon]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, Kup can be rebuilt from a robot to a pickup truck. His deco is based on his Generation 1 namesake, although his grey plastic is lighter than usual.

: He uses the very popular [[Hound (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Hound]] style helmet.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OKup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''
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===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-LG-46-Targetmaster-Kup.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Oh, Kup, can't you go five seconds without humiliating yourself?" *''sproing!''* "How long was that?"]]
*'''Targetmaster Chear (Targetmaster Kup)'''<ref>The Japanese text on the packaging is チャー / "Chear", but the English subtitle says "Kup".</ref> ([[September 30]], [[2017]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''LG46'''
**''Accessories'': Headmaster, [[Recoil (G1)#Legends|Recoil]] Targetmaster
:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' "Targetmaster Chear" is a redeco and retool of [[#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class Sergeant Kup]], featuring new arms, a new face on the Headmaster and a color scheme based on his appearance in the ''G1'' animated series. Instead of the two guns the original version had, he comes with Recoil, a completely new molded Targetmaster who transforms from robot to gun. Although Kup's robot mode matches his original design better thanks to his new arms, this unfortunately creates noticeable gaps in his truck mode, as well as making the robot mode fists more visually obvious.

:Early stock photography of ''Legends'' Kup showed him in a color scheme so desaturated that he was entirely grey, but later images reflected his cartoon-accurate dark-green-grey colors. The figure is unfortunately plagued by the leg panel misassembly from the original ''Titans Return'' release.
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W1SergeantKup.jpg|thumb|"Let's see... hmm... I'm an elk... a mason... a communist... I'm the president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance for some reason..."]]
*'''Sergeant Kup//Veteran Sergeant''' (2018)
**'''Wave 1'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T34/T40'''
**''Stars: ''7
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[[File:W5SergeantKup.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Sergeant Kup//Wrecker Leader''' (2020)
**'''Wave 5: Titan Masters Attack'''
**''Rarity: '''''RT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T35/T46'''
**''Stars: ''7

:This card's set was originally set for an April 2020 release, however due to the global COVID-19 pandemic the release was pushed back to May 29, 2020.
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==Notes==
* Kup's appearance in the Takara ''Kre-O'' online manga pre-dates his reveal as a Micro-Changer. Given wave-mate [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Rodimus]] also appears in the story but doesn't actually use the same parts as the toy version, it's a safe bet that this was a coincidence.
*Two almost-realized [[BotCon]] [[exclusive]]s from [[Fun Publications]] included a redeco of [[#Generations|''Generations'' Sergeant Kup]] into [[Crosshairs (G1)|Generation 1 Crosshairs]] and [[Hubcap (MW)|''Machine Wars'' Hubcap]] (utilizing a [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hoist]]/[[Electro#Timelines|Electrons]] head).<ref>[http://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc14/bc14br.html BotCon 2014 attendee report]</ref><ref>[https://twitter.com/JesseWittenrich/status/843904312589930496 Tweet by Jesse Wittenrich, 2017/03/20]</ref>
*The ''[[Transformers: Generations#T30|Thrilling 30]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Thrilling 30|Orion Pax]] mold had a pretooled alternate head based on Kup, but this tooling never came to fruition. At the [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial Pete's Robot Convention 2018]], former [[Fun Publications]] displayed a mock-up of what this Kup figure would have looked like, courtesy of extra parts from a test run of the 2015 figures [[Lio Convoy#Timelines 2|Lio Convoy]] and [[Optimus Prime (SG)#NovaPrime|Nova Prime]].<ref>https://www.facebook.com/PetesRoboCon/posts/569672986709925</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Bot Shots Autobots]]
[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:E-Hobby]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Targetmasters]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]

Kup (G1)/toys

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[[File:G1 boxart Kup.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|"Death stalks you at every turn!" "Kup!" "Well it ''does''."]]

None of '''Kup'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s toys are as old as him.

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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}
[[File:G1toy-Kup.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"I always get the blame around here! ''Who threw a cane at the TV? Who fell into the china hutch? Who got their dentures stuck on the toilet?''"]]
*'''Kup''' (Autobot, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-82'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Musket laser]]"

:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Kup transforms into a Cybertronic pickup truck (though how he is able to carry goods safely with no tailgate is a mystery). The entire front of the vehicle (including the windshield) is made out of die-cast metal. In [[robot mode]], Kup has full shoulder rotation, though the way his elbows are set up means he cannot make full use of their joints. He (somewhat) makes up for it with swivel wrists. His legs feature no articulation whatsoever. Maybe Hot Rod left a piece out. He is armed with a blue laser rifle. Early releases of Kup had metal rear wheels, while later releases replaced them with black plastic.

:Amusingly, one of the details on the figure's chest sticker depicts a pair of [[floppy disk|5 1/4-inch floppy disk]] drives. Whether that is supposed to indicate that he can store up to two extra Transformers' brains is up to anyone's guess.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Kup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy-KupTargetmaster.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"You're a gutsy daredevil with a give-'em-hell attitude and a fourth grade education. You coulda made Sergeant!"]]
*'''Kup''' (Targetmaster, 1987)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-113'''
**''Accessories:'' Musket Laser/Recoil Targetmaster partner

:Kup (this time with plastic wheels rather than die-cast) was slightly [[retool]]ed with larger fist-holes and a mounting point on his vehicle mode back-end in order to make him into a [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]. He came with his Nebulan partner [[Recoil (G1)|Recoil]] rather than his original blaster.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1987/Autobot/Kup/kup.htm More information on Targetmaster Kup at TFU.info]''
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===''The Transformers Collection''===
[[File:TransformersCollection20.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"He used to be as smart as a monkey, but now... he's as dumb as a chimp."]]
*'''Future Cybertron''' (Transformers Collection, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TF-20'''
**''Accessories:'' Musket Laser, Musket Laser/Recoil Targetmaster partner (you read that right)

:Targetmaster Kup was reissued in Japan, and like the ''[[The Transformers Collection|Collection]]'' reissue of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#The Transformers Collection|Hot Rod]], he came with his original metal parts restored, as well as both his partner Recoil ''and'' his original gun, which was slightly retooled to fit the larger weapon-mounting points. The set also came with a redecoed [[Wheelie (G1)#The Transformers Collection|Wheelie]].

:This iteration of the mold was used to make [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Collector's Edition|Orion Pax]].
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:Timelinestoy-KupWoH.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Three wars back we called Sauerkraut 'liberty cabbage' and we called liberty cabbage 'super slaw' and back then a suitcase was known as a 'Swedish lunchbox'. Of course, nobody knew that but me. Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling..."]]
*'''Wings of Honor''' ([[BotCon 2009]] box set)
**''Accessories'': Clamp attachment, hammer attachment, Earth Cyber Key

:This ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' version of Kup is a convention-exclusive [[retool]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Deluxe Class [[Red Alert (Armada)#Cybertron|Red Alert]] and transforms into a {{w|Dodge Magnum}} emergency vehicle. Plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into the back of his car mode causes two rear side-panels to pop out and reveal two spring-forward non-firing blasters. This gimmick is retained in robot mode, where they become over-shoulder blasters. He features an unusual transformation sequence where both the front and rear halves of the vehicle mode come together to form his legs. His hood halves open to reveal storage space for extra tools (a hammer-head and an opening claw) that can be attached onto his left arm blaster.

:Kup comes in a box set with fellow Autobots [[Flak (G1)#Timelines|Flak]], [[Thunder Clash#Timelines|Thunderclash]], and [[Landshark (G1)#Timelines|Landshark]], and rival Decepticon [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Scourge]].

:The Kup tooling was also the basis of the non-toy ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' incarnation of [[Kup (SG)|Kup]]. The original version of this mold was also used to make ''Cybertron'' [[Cannonball (Cybertron)#Toys|Cannonball]], and the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 movie toyline]] [[Crankcase (Movie)#Toys|Crankcase]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/BCKup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations SergeantKup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"So you see, old people aren't so useless after all. Ironhide's old, and he outsmarted the lot of you. And I'm even older and I outsmarted him! ''Ah ha ha ha!''" "Shut up." "I've had my moment."]]
*'''Sergeant Kup''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' "laser musket" rifle/exhaust pipe

:Part of wave 6 of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'', "Sergeant Kup" sticks to the character's roots, transforming into an old-school (or, alternatively, "retro"-styled) Earth pic'''kup''' truck. The design closely resembles a Honda Ridgeline. He comes with his signature [[Musket laser|laser musket]] weapon, which looks like an actual musket this go-round. Like his contemporaries, Kup is covered in 3 mm rungs that are compatible with [[C joint]] clip-on weapons. There are two rungs on his backpack, plus two rungs each on his forearm [[kibble]], and two on his lower back (these two are shown in the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' version's instructions). The musket can either plug into the underside of the truck, forming a second exhaust pipe, or clip onto the roof of the truck via a C joint. Kup noticeably has a peculiar elbow setup; the top hinge moves vertically, while the bottom hinge moves horizontally. Interestingly, due to his transformation, Kup's truck mode features a working tailgate.

:Despite appearances, his musket does ''not'' have a proper 5 mm peg, being slightly smaller. This makes it impossible for Kup to hold 5 mm accessories without stretching and potentially damaging his hands. Coincidentally, it's about the same size as the smaller peg on [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Grimlock's]] spring loaded launcher, meaning they can swap weapons. The extra, proper 5 mm ring on Grimlock's weapon makes it a loose fit on Kup's open hands, though.

:He was later retooled/redecoed into [[Swerve (G1)#Generations|Swerve]], whose head was depicted in Kup's [[instructions]] before the retool was officially announced, and was separately retooled into [[BotCon 2013]] [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hoist]] and [[Electro#Timelines|Autobot Electrons]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/SergeantKup/kup.htm More information on Sergeant Kup at TFU.info]''
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*'''Autobot Warriors''' (multi-pack, 2014)
:''Accessories:'' "laser musket" rifle/exhaust pipe
:''Generations'' Sergeant Kup was re-released in a three-pack with ''Universe'' [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ratchet]] and ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Perceptor (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Perceptor]], available from Hasbro Asia and [[TakaraTomy Mall]]. All three Autobots feature new metallic paint decoes.
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====''Platinum Edition''====
{{anchor|AutobotHeroes}}
[[File:TF-Generations-Platinum-Edition-Autobot-Heroes-Kup.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''Old Man Yells at Cloud'']]
*'''Autobot Heroes''' (5-pack, 2016)
**''Accessories'': Springer's weapons (dual missile launcher, two missiles, rotor blades/sword), Arcee's weapons (2 swords), Kup's "laser musket" rifle/exhaust pipe, Ultra Magnus' 2 guns, Blurr's weapons (Sniper rifle, left & right pistols), Minimus Ambus figure

:Part of Hasbro's ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' offerings for 2016 intended to commemorate the 30th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', Sergeant Kup is a more "[[show-accuracy|screen-accurate]]" redeco of his [[#Generations|''Generations'' Deluxe Class toy]], with his primary plastic color being cast in a lighter shade of teal, the metallic gray plastic parts and paint operations replaced with cyan, and featuring additonal new paint operations (including painted rims).

:Most copies of this figure appear to suffer from the same [[Misassembly|assembly error]] as ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Transformers Timelines]]'' [[Electro#Timelines|Electrons]] and [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hoist]], whereby the central chest assembly doesn't fully rotate up into place. Luckily, this can be [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/hoist-electrons-chest-fix-from-botcon-2013-machine-wars-termination-set.943752/ easily fixed] by removing the three screws holding the chest together and turning the spring-loaded panel inside 180 degrees around, taking care of the spring when reinserting it into its slot.

:Sergeant Kup was released as part of 5-pack with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#AutobotHeroes|Ultra Magnus]] (including [[Minimus Ambus#Platinum Edition|Minimus Ambus]]), [[Springer (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Autobot Springer]], [[Arcee (G1)/toys#AutobotHeroes|Arcee]] and [[Blurr (G1)/toys#AutobotHeroes|Blurr]]. The set also included a recreation of the theatrical poster for the 1986 movie. In the United States, this set was officially a [[Target]] exclusive, but was only available via the company's website, never sold in stores. It was also released in Singapore, although it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not. In Canada, it was available via the Canadian [[Walmart]] website but never found in stores, whereas in the United Kingdom, it was available via the UK [[Toys"R"Us]] website but was sold in some stores. In Spain, it was available via the Spanish subsidiaries of both [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]] and Carrefour, as well as the department store chain El Corte Inglés, supposedly also only available online. In Germany, it was available via retailer Real and specialty store Rappelkiste Ahlen, also only available online.

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====''Titans Return''====
[[File:TitansReturntoy-SergeantKup.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|"So how do you know so much about American history?" "I pieced it together, mostly from sugar packets."]]
*'''Flintlock & Sergeant Kup''' (Deluxe Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': 2 guns, [[Recoil (G1)|Flintlock]] Titan Master

:''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' "Sergeant Kup" transforms from a robot based on the character's [[Guido Guidi]] ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' design into a futuristic pic'''kup''' truck based on his alt mode in ''The Transformers: The Movie'', with colors based on his original toy. Kup's head is formed by [[Titan Master]] [[Recoil (G1)#Generations|Flintlock]], who can also transform into a robot and pilot Kup's vehicle mode, although the wideness of the cockpit combined with an ineffective tab recess often results in him falling out of position inside.

: Kup's two 5mm guns can combine into a larger weapon incorporating a Titan Master seat, or can be mounted separately on his truck bed, where there are also three pairs of pegs to attach Titan Masters. The guns can also be combined and mounted onto his back in robot mode.

: All copies of Kup (including his redecoes/retools) are misassembled; his leg panels' central lines between the two sculpted square details do not line up with the line extending beyond it. If you want to fix this, you have two options:
::1. You can use a small handsaw to carefully cut off the parts that connect the pieces to his wheels and swap the pieces before gluing them back.
::2. The other option involves using a soldering iron to heat the head of the pins and then pushing the wheels and the panels off, then reattaching them to the correct sides. This can be difficult and risks causing damage to the toy. If attempting this method, USE EXTREME CAUTION to avoid injury.

:This mold was retooled with a new face into ''[[Transformers: Tribute|Tribute]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Tribute|Orion Pax]]. The Sergeant Kup body would have been redecoed as [[Dion (G1)|Dion]] for the attendee freebie for the [[BotCon#BotCon 2017|BotCon 2017]] that never came to be.
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===''United''===
[[File:Unitedtoy-Kup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Yeah, well, I may not have a fancy black bath robe and a hammer like snooty, but I ''do'' have slippers and an oatmeal spoon! Look!"]]
*'''Autobot Kup''' ([[February 26]], [[2011]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-17'''
**''Accessories:'' "Musket gun"/tailpipe
:''[[Transformers United|United]]'' "Autobot Kup" is a [[redeco]] of ''Generations'' Autobot Kup in metallic paint. Other changes include silver paint on his stomach, painted rims, and a smaller Autobot symbol with a silver border. Surprisingly, Kup is presented with his cy-gar attached to his mouth on the back of his package.
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[[File:Unitedtoy-KupeHobby.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Full speed ahead! Dam the torpedos!" "What did he say? Put on our tuxedos?" "I want some taquitos."]]
*'''Autobot SET''' (Multi-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle/tailpipe

:Dubbed "Autobot Kup Damage Version", this [[redeco]] of the 2010 Kup mold (see above) is cast in brighter teals, with silver "scrape" paint marks (as well as other additional paint applications), giving him a more weathered look (despite his more saturated color palette). Official photography depicted this Kup as bright blue, but that was a case of photography having trouble with his shade of teal.

:This version was only available in an [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]] three-pack with a [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|clear-blue Hot Rod]] and [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]]. Preorders for the set were opened on [[December 13]], 2010 and closed on [[January 11]], 2011, and with the set shipping in April.

:This figure was available with a Hot Rod pin and ''[[Macrocosmic Seekers]]'' booklet directly from e-Hobby, he was also released in Asian countries outside of Japan without said pin and booklet.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Cybertron/Kup/kup.htm More information on Autobot Kup Damage Version at TFU.info]''
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===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BotShots Kup.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Kids love that water."]]

*'''Scourge / Sergeant Kup / Blitzwing''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''BP006'''
***''Fist strength'': '''762'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''598'''
***''Sword strength'': '''260'''
:Part of the second wave of Series 2 three-packs, "Sergeant Kup" is a redeco of [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#SpinShot|Spin Shot Ironhide]] in cyan in homage to Generation 1 Kup and thus turns into a pickup truck with a massive spoiler. As a Spin Shot toy, an impact to his front bumper will cause him to autotransform while his top half spins around.

:The second wave of Series 2 three-packs didn't reach mass retail in the United States, only showing up in discount stores like Ross.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSKup/kup.htm More information on Sergeant Kup at TFU.info]''

===''Kre-O''===
[[File:KreO-Toy KupKreon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Here you go, ya ingrate. Think of ME when you're having the best sex of your life!"]]
*'''Autobot Kup''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2014)
**''Bag number'': '''33501 39'''
**''Accessories'': Stand-brick, small pistol

: Part of the fourth full series of [[blindpacking|blind-packed]] [[Kreon]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, Kup can be rebuilt from a robot to a pickup truck. His deco is based on his Generation 1 namesake, although his grey plastic is lighter than usual.

: He uses the very popular [[Hound (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Hound]] style helmet.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OKup/kup.htm More information on Kup at TFU.info]''
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===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-LG-46-Targetmaster-Kup.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Oh, Kup, can't you go five seconds without humiliating yourself?" *''sproing!''* "How long was that?"]]
*'''Targetmaster Chear (Targetmaster Kup)'''<ref>The Japanese text on the packaging is チャー / "Chear", but the English subtitle says "Kup".</ref> ([[September 30]], [[2017]])
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''LG46'''
**''Accessories'': Headmaster, [[Recoil (G1)#Legends|Recoil]] Targetmaster
:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' "Targetmaster Chear" is a redeco and retool of [[#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class Sergeant Kup]], featuring new arms, a new face on the Headmaster and a color scheme based on his appearance in the ''G1'' animated series. Instead of the two guns the original version had, he comes with Recoil, a completely new molded Targetmaster who transforms from robot to gun. Although Kup's robot mode matches his original design better thanks to his new arms, this unfortunately creates noticeable gaps in his truck mode, as well as making the robot mode fists more visually obvious.

:Early stock photography of ''Legends'' Kup showed him in a color scheme so desaturated that he was entirely grey, but later images reflected his cartoon-accurate dark-green-grey colors. The figure is unfortunately plagued by the leg panel misassembly from the original ''Titans Return'' release.
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W1SergeantKup.jpg|thumb|"Let's see... hmm... I'm an elk... a mason... a communist... I'm the president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance for some reason..."]]
*'''Sergeant Kup//Veteran Sergeant''' (2018)
**'''Wave 1'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T34/T40'''
**''Stars: ''7
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[[File:W5SergeantKup.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Sergeant Kup//Wrecker Leader''' (2020)
**'''Wave 5: Titan Masters Attack'''
**''Rarity: '''''RT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T35/T46'''
**''Stars: ''7

:This card's set was originally set for an April 2020 release, however due to the global COVID-19 pandemic the release was pushed back to May 29, 2020.
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==Notes==
* Kup's appearance in the Takara ''Kre-O'' online manga pre-dates his reveal as a Micro-Changer. Given wave-mate [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Rodimus]] also appears in the story but doesn't actually use the same parts as the toy version, it's a safe bet that this was a coincidence.
*Two almost-realized [[BotCon]] [[exclusive]]s from [[Fun Publications]] included a redeco of [[#Generations|''Generations'' Sergeant Kup]] into [[Crosshairs (G1)|Generation 1 Crosshairs]] and [[Hubcap (MW)|''Machine Wars'' Hubcap]] (utilizing a [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Timelines|Hoist]]/[[Electro#Timelines|Electrons]] head).<ref>[http://www.toycollectors.com.au/bc14/bc14br.html BotCon 2014 attendee report]</ref><ref>[https://twitter.com/JesseWittenrich/status/843904312589930496 Tweet by Jesse Wittenrich, 2017/03/20]</ref>
*The ''[[Transformers: Generations#T30|Thrilling 30]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Thrilling 30|Orion Pax]] mold had a pretooled alternate head based on Kup, but this tooling never came to fruition. At the [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial Pete's Robot Convention 2018]], former [[Fun Publications]] displayed a mock-up of what this Kup figure would have looked like, courtesy of extra parts from a test run of the 2015 figures [[Lio Convoy#Timelines 2|Lio Convoy]] and [[Optimus Prime (SG)#NovaPrime|Nova Prime]].<ref>https://www.facebook.com/PetesRoboCon/posts/569672986709925</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Bot Shots Autobots]]
[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:E-Hobby]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Headmasters]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Targetmasters]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]

Thundercracker (G1)/toys

2020-05-03T18:56:49Z

Skrollex:

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[[File:G1 Thundercracker Packaging Art.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] has always looked and will always look a lot like [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. There are many [[Starscream (G1)/toys|toys of Starscream]] and where there is a Starscream toy, a Thundercracker toy (usually) soon follows.

==Toys==
===The Transformers===
[[File:G1toy thundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Decepticon Jet, 1984/1985/1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''24'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear

: Originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Jet Robo Acrobat-Type", Thundercracker transforms into a metallic blue F-15 Eagle fighter jet. His transformation essentially involves removing and reattaching most of his plane parts, though it is possible to do so without removing ''all'' of them, the way the instructions tell you to. As a result of his rather piecemeal design and the fact that neither mode uses all his parts, it can be quite difficult to find an intact original Thundercracker on the secondary market.

:Thundercracker is armed with a pair of missile launchers that mount on his arms in [[robot mode]], and under his wings in jet mode, with a pair of specialized projectiles for each. In jet mode, two short rockets are fitted into the launchers to make them resemble the drop tanks a real F-15 carries, while in robot mode, they are replaced with the long barrels of Thundercracker's incendiary guns. The original ''Diaclone'' version of the mold featured spring-loaded firing mechanisms in these launchers; while this feature was removed for the [[Hasbro]] release of the toy, it was left intact for the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] version, and all subsequent reissues.

:While the earliest releases of Thundercracker were basically identical to its ''Diaclone'' predecessor, some small modifications were soon made to the figure which became the standard for all subsequent reissues of the mold. These included the hollowing out of the inner edges of his wings and the tips of his tail-wings, the lengthening of the pegs on his wings, and the addition of extra clips on the inner sides of his fist-gauntlets, allowing them to grip his arms better but creating a visible slit on them. Like all his 1984 brethren, Thundercracker gained a factory-applied [[rubsign]] in 1985, which was added to the left side of his fuselage.

:Thundercracker ceased to be shipped to toy stores in 1986, but continued to be available as a mail-away item in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" flier packed with most boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $10 and two [[Robot Point|robot points]]. He has been [[Generation 1 reissues|reissue]]d several further times down through the years; this article strives to list each separate release under its own header.

: The [[Milton Bradley]] release of Thundercracker in Germany, France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and Spain was bizarrely enough sold in [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Toys|Starscream]] boxes, with factory-applied Starscream stickers. Your guess is as good as ours. Meanwhile, the Italian release of Thundercracker (as "Vampiro") by [[GiG]] put him in a generic "Distructor Planes" box, featuring names and tech specs for all three planes in the assortment.

:Thundercracker shares his mold with his simultaneously-released teammates [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]], and was later [[redeco]]ed into [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. This mold was also [[retool]]ed into [[Dirge (G1)/toys|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)/toys|Ramjet]], and [[Thrust (G1)/toys|Thrust]].

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-decepticon-jets-thundercracker/397/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Thundercracker at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Generation 1 Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy-ActionMaster-Thundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Do not look directly at him, unless you have sunglasses and/or Pepto Bismol handy.]]
*'''Solo Mission Jet Plane with Action Master Thundercracker''' (Action Master Exo-suit, 1991)
**''Accessories'': Solo Mission Jet Plane, sonic boom blaster, 2 missiles

: Released only in European and Australasian markets, [[Action Master]] Thundercracker is, once again, a [[redeco]] of Starscream, a non-transforming action figure that combined elements of both the character's cartoon model and toy-form. Like all Action Masters, Thundercracker came with a transformable accessory — in his case, a Solo Mission Jet Plane vehicle resembling an F-117 Nighthawk that converts into [[Action Master Exo-suit|exo-suit]] battle armor.

: For whatever reason, Action Master Thundercracker forewent any attempt at rendering the character in his traditional blue and silver color scheme, but instead opted for a fantastically nauseating blend of magenta, purple, blue, gold, and two shades of green that would become the stuff of legend as the ultimate example of the flair this era's European Transformers had for the [[neon|gaudy]]. In fact, this slightly horrifying color scheme would later be used for ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Action Master Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Machine Wars===
[[File:MWThundercracker toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|No, seriously, this guy is Thundercracker.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Basic, 1996)
**''Accessories'': Two-part rifle

: Sharing a mold once again with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Machine Wars|Skywarp]], Thundercracker transforms into a green Dassault Rafale fighter jet with spring-loaded one-step transformation from jet to robot. The two halves of his rifle store in his lower legs. Like all ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' toys, Thundercracker was an [[exclusive]] to Kay-Bee stores and related stores like Toy Liquidators.

: This mold was originally developed for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', but was canceled when that line went under. It is unknown if it was intended to be a new character or a recurring one, though odds are it would have been later [[redeco]]ed into a recurring character if the former was true.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Dirge (BWII)#Toys|Dirge]], ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Skyfire (RID)#Toys|Skyfire]], ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' [[Wingstun#Toys|Wingstun]], and the "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]" version of [[Waspinator (BW)/toys#Timelines|Waspinator]]. The toy was repurposed as the [[Thundercracker drone]]s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Machine Wars Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Collector's Edition===
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[[File:G1toy reissue thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (reissue, 2001)
**''ID number:'' '''24'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear
:The original Thundercracker toy was reissued for the first time in 2001 as part of Takara's small ''[[Collector's Edition]]'' series, which made several Generation 1 toys available as convention [[exclusive]]s. Sold in new open-faced packaging with no notable changes from the original figure, Thundercracker was an exclusive at the Japanese science fiction convention "Super Festival 21", available only in a set with Skywarp and limited to 1000 pieces. The pair are often mistakenly identified as [[e-HOBBY]] exclusives.

::*''[http://shmax.com/product_details/1323/24_thundercracker More information on Collector's Edition Thundercracker at Shmax.com]''
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===Commemorative Series===
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[[File:G1toy commemorative series thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (reissue, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear

:The original Thundercracker toy was made available again as part of Hasbro's line of [[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] reissues in. Released in the third wave of the series, it featured functional missile launchers for the first time on a Hasbro version of the toy, but because the launchers now worked, both sets of missiles had to be lengthened [[for safety reasons]]. His incendiary guns didn't turn out ''too'' bad, but as you can see, the once-small rockets just wound up looking ''stupid''.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/CSThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Commemorative Series Thundercracker TFU.info]''
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===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
[[File:Smallest transforming thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|You little Thunder Little Thunder you]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2004)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, left & right wings, left & right tailfins, landing gear

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' product (dubbed wave "2.5" and available only at CVS stores in Japan), Thundercracker is, of course, a redeco of this line's Starscream. Like all toys in the series, he is a tiny, simplified version of the original Generation 1 toy, transforming into an F-15 fighter jet. As with all previous waves of ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'', these figures were sold [[blindpacking|blindpacked]], with Thundercracker as one of the wave's two rare [[chase figure]]s (the other being a cartoon-colored version of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Combat Deck (G1)|trailer]]).

: The same mold is used by ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Skywarp and Thrust.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Destron/SmallestThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Robotmasters===
[[File:RobotMastersThundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Light blue? Totally neon.]]
*'''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': 2 rifles, 2 missile pods

: ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] from the same series, a smaller yet more advanced version of the original toy, adding more articulation and reducing the amount of [[Partformer|part-forming]] required. He was available only in a two-pack with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]], which also came with a Decepticon sigil pin and chromed missile pods. This set was the very last product released in the ''Robotmasters'' line, and wasn't even strictly sold in a box from that series; instead, it used an e-Hobby Generation 1 reissue box, with a small ''Robotmasters'' sticker in the corner tab noting its origin from the front.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Destron/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on ''Robotmasters'' Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Titanium Series===
[[File:TitaniumHeroesWWThundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|I don't think I have enough little wings on my shoulders.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Display base

: [[Titanium Series]] Thundercracker is based upon his appearance in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]''. He transforms into a Cybertronian 'tetrajet', as reimagined by [[Don Figueroa]]. This form bears a strong resemblance to the [https://gradius.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_British Lord British] fighter from the ''[https://gradius.fandom.com/wiki/Gradius_(series) Gradius]'' series. As with all 6-inch Titanium Cybertron Heroes, he is constructed mostly of fully painted die-cast metal.

: This mold was redecoed into ''[[War Within (toyline)|War Within]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Starscream]], [[Sunstorm (G1)#Titanium Series|Sunstorm]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Skywarp]], and [[Thrust (G1)#Titanium Series|Thrust]].

: Yes. Thundercracker was here first.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/Tit6Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Titanium Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Timelines===
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[[File:Classics Thundercracker Toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|You want me, but you can't have me!]]
*'''Games of Deception!''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Left & right launchers, 2 missiles

: Much clamored for by fans following the release of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Starscream and Skywarp in order to complete the original Seeker trio, ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]''/''Classics'' Thundercracker was eventually released as part of the "Games of Deception" boxset exclusive to [[BotCon 2007]], along with [[Bug Bite (GoBots)#Timelines|Bugbite]], [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Timelines|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)#Timelines|Dreadwind]], and [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Timelines|Thrust]], only 1500 of which were produced. He is, naturally, a [[redeco]] of the ''Classics'' Starscream toy, using the slightly modified version of the mold first seen with Skywarp which features shoulders with a decreased slope and a fifth rectangular marking.

: Like the other entries in the ''Classics'' series, Thundercracker is a faithful "modernizing" of his original Generation 1 form, updating his original toy with modern standards of toy engineering, transformation, sculpting detail and articulation. He still transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but has the nose of an {{w|F-14 Tomcat}} fighter jet, and sports a shade of blue closer to that of his ''[[Diaclone]]'' progenitor. As ever, he is armed with a pair of missile launchers, which can mount under his wings, on his shoulders, or in his fists, and fire spring-loaded projectiles. The large size of the missiles (necessary for safety reasons) restricts his arm movement somewhat in robot mode, as they bump into his wings. Like all ''Classics'' figures, he has a heat-activated rubsign, positioned along his fuselage as on his original toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/BCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Classics Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
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[[File:Henkei Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb| You could have had me . . . but even then you might not want me.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missile launchers (left and right), 2 missiles

: ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Thundercracker is a Genbo store exclusive redeco of ''Henkei! Henkei!'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]. He features a metallic flake blue version of his cartoon color scheme, rather than his darker blue Generation 1 toy colour scheme. ''Henkei'' Thundercracker and his fellow [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]] were opened for pre-order on [[May 22]]nd through [[June 20]], and mailed out in September 2008. A second batch was made available on [[November 6]]th, 2008.

:Soon after release, there were numerous complaints from both Japanese and Western collectors about the poor quality control for both Thundercracker and Skywarp. Thundercracker in particular suffered from a widespread issue where his missile launchers did not fit into the holes in his shoulders, due to the holes being too big. Some reported both toys suffering misassembly issues such as having two left or two right thighs.

:Several minor changes were made to this mold for this release. The holes for his missile launchers in his arms were widened, but not the launcher's insertion pegs. The wing's missile launcher insertion points were lengthened and are now curved at the end. The last rectangle on his air intakes, was further modified from the Classics version this time the bottom most rectangle goes completely across the air intake's surface rather than just the center. ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Skywarp and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generation 1 Series|Starscream]] also saw most of these changes.

:The second release (while extremely limited) did not see any of the quality control issues of the early, more heavily produced release. This version of Thundercracker uses the 2nd version of the Classics Seeker mold that was reinstated with [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Henkei.21 Henkei.21|Ghost Starscream]] and all subsequent releases thus far. Oddly these versions of Thundercracker do not feature a date stamp etched into his leg like the earlier release.

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===Masterpiece===
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[[File:MP Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Hey, at least I'm ''meant'' to be [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|blue]].]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (November 2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-7'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "Machine Guns", 2 AIM missile racks, Doctor Arkeville pilot, Megatron Gun clasp, display stand

:A redeco of ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Starscream]], ''Masterpiece'' Thundercracker eschews the cartoon accuracy that the line normally strives for, transforms into a highly-accurate F-15 Eagle while sporting a more stylized robot mode. He comes with all the features and accessories included with the previous release of the mold: flip-up missile racks built into his pectorals, a two-piece display stand that can be configured to display the figure in mid-flight in either jet or robot mode, a miniature [[Doctor Arkeville]] figurine that fits in his cockpit (now cast in blue plastic), a clip to hold the gun mode Megatron that came with ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime in jet-mode, and an extensive sheet of optional stickers to allow buyers to customize him to their liking. Also like Starscream and Skywarp, Thundercracker features a rotating face with two swappable expressions; a normal, stoic gaze (retooled from Starscream's original one, despite the popular misconception that it is the same) and a new growling glare, replete with bared teeth.

:Some ''Masterpiece'' Thundercrackers feature an assembly error: His left and right pectorals are flipped. This misassembly does not affect transformation at all, and is most noticeable when compared to prior ''Masterpiece'' Seekers. The 2008 pressing of ''Masterpiece'' Skywarp also features this part swap.

:This mold was also used for the ''Masterpiece'' version of [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Skywarp]]. It was also redecoed and retooled to create the eleventh ''Masterpiece'' figure, [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP11|Starscream]], which was then redecoed to create [[Sunstorm (G1)#Masterpiece|Sunstorm]] and [[Acid Storm (G1)#Masterpiece|Acid Storm]].

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[[File:MP11TT Thundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Good news everybody - yet another MP seeker.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (November 2015)
**''ID number'': '''MP-11T'''
**''Accessories'': 2 null rays, orange hologram pilot figurine
:Released as a TakaraTomy Mall exclusive, MP-11T Thundercracker is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP11|MP-11 Starscream]], with the coloration based on Thundercracker's animation model. The figure is limited to 2000 pieces. This Thundercracker features some extensive retooling to wind the ''Masterpiece'' Seeker design back into the more Generation 1-accurate look, with most of the robot mode being newly tooled parts, including chunkier legs that now incorporate his tail-fins, [[retool]]ed shoulders and wingtips that no longer curve into one another, a new head (with collapsible head fins), new heel spurs that flip out for added support in robot mode, and re-engineered Machine Guns attached to extending armatures that mean they no longer have to be [[Partformer|removed]] for transformation. Like [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Masterpiece11SW|MP-11SW Skywarp]], but unlike MP-11 Starscream and the cartoon, the insignias on his wings are the correct way up in robot mode.

:When purchased from a seller supplied by Hasbro Asia, Thundercracker comes with a collector coin, mounted on a card styled like Thundercracker's chest, waist and wings.

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===Encore===
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[[File:G1toy encore skywarp thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (reissue multi-pack, 2008)
**''ID number'' '''11'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, 2 missile launchers, 2 incendiary guns, 2 rockets, left & right wings, left & right tail fins, left & right tail wings, landing gear

:Thundercracker's original toy was reissued again as part of TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' series, this time in a two-pack with his erstwhile partner, Skywarp. This release of the figure is cast in a less metallic blue plastic than previous release, and features tampographed wing stripes and Decepticon insignias instead of stickers.

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===Alternity===
[[File:Alternitytoy thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Thundercracker Sonic Blue''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''A-04'''

:Thundercracker is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Alternity|Skywarp]], transforming into a licensed 1:32 scale {{w|Mitsuoka Orochi}}. Thundercracker replaces Skywarp's purple, flat black, light purple, and metallic gray for metallic blue, glossy black, light blue, and silver. Like the other toys in the line, he features [[die-cast]] metal parts and rubber tires, as well as an opening hood, trunk and doors. This is also currently the only ''Alternity'' mold to feature [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|a fake kibble chest]].

:In car mode, small wings are ''supposed to'' be able to flip out from under Thundercracker's rear wheels, giving him the appearance of a flying car. Unfortunately, this [[gimmick]] suffers from a rather nasty [[design flaw]]: there is simply not enough clearance under the car for the wheels to be able to pass and hinge through, and attempting to do so will result in the plastic reinforcement struts underneath ''deforming the rims and chipping the tires''. His door panels also tend to detach from their [[ball joint]]s ''very easily''.

:This mold was also used to make ''Alternity'' [[Banzai-Tron (G1)#Alternity|Banzai-Tron]], while the original version of it was used by ''Alternity'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Alternity|Starscream]].

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===Generations===
[[File:Genthundercracker.JPG|right|upright=1.67|thumb|You could have me, and you probably want me.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right launchers, 2 missiles

: Part of the seventh wave of [[2010]]-[[2011]] ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toys, Thundercracker is a third redeco of the ''Classics'' Starscream mold, and the first one to be released to mass retail in Hasbro markets.

: This version of Thundercracker features a darker blue than both the greenish-blue of the BotCon release, and the blue of the ''Henkei! Henkei!'' release. He also features a new deco layout and different striping from any of the previous versions. In the stock photo provided, he is slightly mis-transformed at the ankles.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Generations Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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====GDO====
[[File:Generationstoy-LegendsThundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|As if the guns on his arms weren't enough.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Legends Class, 2012)
**''Accessories'': Two guns

:''Generations'' Legends Class Thundercracker is redeco of ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#RTS|Transformers: Reveal the Shield]]'' Legends Class [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2010)|Starscream]], with [[retool]]ed hands and holes in his wings compatible with [[C joint|3 mm post]]s. Thundercracker's deco is slightly different from the EZ collection figure, omitting the black paint on his shins in favor of giving him full-color [[Decepticon]] [[insignia]]s on his wings, and a black painted nosecone. He comes with two compatible guns that are heavily based on Generation 1 Thundercracker's Incendiary Guns (based more on the [[character model|animation model]] rather than the original toy). Each gun features two posts, allowing them to mount/be held in different ways.

:Originally developed by Hasbro Asia for release in their territories, Thundercracker was later released together with various other formerly "Asian market exclusive" toys as a [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]] exclusive in the [[United States of America|United States]] for the 2012 holiday season.

:The retooled version of this sculpt (including the guns) was later used for a [[variant#running changes|running change variant]] of a "Dollar Store" exclusive version of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/GDOThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Legends Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Generationstoy-UltimateGiftSet.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|right]]
*'''Ultimate Gift Set''' (2012)
**''Accessories'': 2 guns

:This unchanged release of Legends Class Thundercracker comes packed with ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#UltimateGiftSet|Motorbreath]], as well as Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UltimateGiftSet|Combat Hero Optimus Prime]] and a ''Generation 2''-styled Deluxe Class [[Jazz (G1)/toys#UltimateGiftSet|Autobot Jazz]].

:The Ultimate Gift Set is an online retailer exclusive in the United States, but is available at general retail in Hasbro's Asian markets.

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====Thrilling 30====
[[File:Generationstoy-T30-Metroplex-Thundercracker-SDCC.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**'''01 OF 30'''

: An [[exclusive]] version of Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#SDCC|Metroplex]] was made available at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013. He comes with 12 small, non-transforming figurines of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Orion Pax]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Megatron]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Bumblebee]], Thundercracker, [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Trailcutter]], and [[Hoist (G1)#SDCCMetroplex|Hoist]], all in both modes. Similarly to [[Decoy]]s, the Autobot figurines are cast in red plastic, and the Decepticons in purple.

:While the figurines in this set are not named, the Seeker in this set is likely Thundercracker, based on the fact that the other ten figurines are based on characters from the first two waves of ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Deluxe Class toys, the second of which includes Thundercracker.

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[[File:Generationstoy-T30-Metroplex-Thundercracker-HKACGCON.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**'''05 OF 30'''

: Another exclusive version of Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#HKACGCON|Metroplex]] was made available at [[Hong Kong ACG-CON]] 2013. This Metroplex also has the 12 figurines of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Orion Pax]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Megatron]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Bumblebee]], Thundercracker, [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Trailcutter]], and [[Hoist (G1)#HKACGCONMetroplex|Hoist]], but casts the Autobot figurines in gold plastic, and the Decepticons in silver.

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[[File:Generationstoy-Thrilling30Thundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe Class, 2013)
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #006'''
**''Japanese release date:'' '''[[2014]]-[[March 29|03-29]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Two assault cannons, tail-fin

: Part of the sixth wave of [[2012]]-onwards ''Generations'' Deluxe Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of ''Generations: [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' Starscream, and transforms into a Cybertronian jet fighter. He comes with two spinning, triple-barreled cannons which can combine to form a larger hand-held weapon that is geared to spin its two triple-barrels together, and resembles the [[Neutron assault rifle]] from ''Fall of Cybertron''. Each of the weapon halves features two [[5mm post]]s, as well as a peg-hole on their hollow sides, while the combined form features another peg-hole at the top, but makes the peg-holes on the hollow sides inaccessible. Thundercracker features numerous 5mm peg-holes, such as his hands, forearms, lower legs, and wing undersides.

:Thundercracker's tail-fin is attached via a 5mm post on its underside, and can be detached to reveal three additional peg-holes, with two of these peg-holes being just the right distance to accommodate the combined assault cannons/rifle, with the tail-fin pegging on the rifle's top peg-hole. This allows the weapon to mount on top of the [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], and store on his back in robot mode.

:Thundercracker is minimally mis-transformed in-package: his jet mode nosecone is extended, rather than folded in as it should be in robot mode. He comes packaged with a copy of [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] ''[[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Spotlight: Thundercracker]]''.

:The Japanese release of Thundercracker features a shiny metallic finish and an orange canopy, as well as a few different paint details such as black kneecaps and silver on his face and gun barrels. He was sold exclusively at select Edion, Yodobashi Camera, Yamada Denki, and Best Denki stores, and did not come with a comic.

:Despite using a mold and deco matching [[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]]'s appearance in ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'', this toy ''technically'' represents G1 Thundercracker, thanks to his [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] pack-in fiction. Consequently, the toy is listed in the former's page as a [[repurposing]]. This toy was also utilized as ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' Thundercracker and was also redecoed into TakaraTomy ''Fall of Cybertron'' [[Skywarp (WFC)#Generations|Skywarp]] as well as ''Thrilling 30'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Generations|Skywarp]]. Compared to the Starscream and Skywarp versions however, Thundercracker's joints are considerably looser for reasons unknown.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/GenThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Thrilling 30 Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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====Combiner Wars====
[[File:Generations 30 legends Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Legends Class, 2015)
**''Accessories:'' 2 cannons
:Part of the first wave of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Legends toys, Thundercracker is a redeco of ''Thrilling 30'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#GenLegends|Starscream]], based on [[Guido Guidi]]'s Seeker design from IDW's [[The Transformers (IDW)|original ongoing series]]. Thundercracker includes a collector card featuring art from the "[[To the Rescue]]" episode of ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]''.

:His current stock photo is mistranformed: his wings are not flipped up.

:This mold was also used to make ''Thrilling 30'' [[Acid Storm (G1)#GenLegends|Acid Storm]] and ''Combiner Wars'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#CWLegends|Skywarp]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Decepticon/CWLegThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Legends Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Generations Leader TC.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Seven guns but no [[Buster (IDW)|dog]].]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Leader Class, 2015)
**''Accessories:'' Missile launcher, missile, 2 arm cannons, 2 leg cannons, 2 "Seeker guns"

:Thundercracker is an extensive retool of ''Generations Thrilling 30'' Leader Class [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Generations|Jetfire]], replacing the head, chest, upper arms, and wings so as to resemble the same Guidi design as the preceding Legends Class figure. He transforms from a robot into a jet fighter, and includes Jetfire's original missile launcher and four limb-mounted weapons, plus two new guns based on the traditional Seeker arm rifles. He also features a faux cockpit.

:Thundercracker does not include Jetfire's "Turbo Thruster" booster pack accessory, but is still compatible with it. In an undocumented feature, any of his other guns can be mounted on the sides of his missile launcher, or all of them can be combined together to create an enormous multi-barreled weapon.

:This mold was also used to make ''Generations Combiner Wars'' Leader Class [[Starscream (G1)/toys#CWLeader|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#CWLeader|Skywarp]].
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====Alt-Modes====
[[File:Alt-Modes Thundercracker.jpg|250px|thumb]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Alt-Modes, 2016)
:A redeco of ''[[Alt-Modes]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Alt-Modes|Starscream]], Thundercracker is a super deformed toy whose body transforms into a jet when the Decepticon faction symbol on his head is flipped. He was [[Blindpacking|blind-boxed]] and available in the first two cases of the toyline.

:This mold was also used to make ''Alt-Modes'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Alt-Modes|Skywarp]], [[Acid Storm (G1)#Alt-Modes|Acid Storm]] and [[Sunstorm (G1)#Alt-Modes|Sunstorm]], and would have been retooled into [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Alt-Modes|Dirge]].
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====War for Cybertron: Siege====
[[File:WFC-Siege-WFC-S39-Voyager-Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|300px|right|thumb|upright=1.67| You're gonna switch his head with Starscream's, aren't you?]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Voyager Class, [[2019]])
**''ID number'': '''WFC-S39'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''SG-35'''
**''Japanese release date'': '''[[October 26]], 2019'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "HPI [[Null-ray|Null-Ray]] Laser Launchers"
:Part of the forth wave of ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege (toyline)|Siege]]'' Voyager Class figures, Thundercracker is a redeco and slight head [[retool]] of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Starscream]], transforming from a heavily Generation 1-inspired robot to a Cybertronian 'tetrajet' based on the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]' appearance in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]" and back; although the jet mode has the robot legs sticking out from the undercarriage. He includes two "HPI Null-Ray Laser Launchers," which can mount on his upper arms, or under the wings in jet mode. His face was retooled with a smirk.Unlike the rest of the Seeker mold, Thundercracker doesn't sport the Decepticon sigil under his wings.

:Fitting with the rest of ''Siege'', Thundercracker has [[5 mm post]]s on his biceps, forearms, shins, under his feet (thrusters), and wings. The 3 mm pegs on his shins, forearms, left bicep, and the tips of his Null-Rays can accommodate effects parts sold separately. Like the rest of ''Siege'', his robot mode focuses on articulation, with double-jointed elbows, knees that bend at nearly 180 degrees, ankle rockers, and waist articulation, being notable articulation points for a Seeker toy. Being a rather heavy shellformer, Thundercracker can be separated into both a wingless robot mode and a nearly complete tetrajet easily, via a friction hinge.

:Hasbro erroneously recycled Thundercracker's alt-mode stock photo for [[Ion Storm#Toys|Seeker Ion Storm]], who in fact has a slightly different hue of blue and lacks red stripes. The copy for TakaraTomy's stock photo also depicts his smirk sculpt as slit-mouthed.

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====War for Cybertron: Earthrise====
[[File:SiegeERThundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Voyager Seeker 2-Pack''' (Multipack, [[2020]])
**''ID number'': '''WFC-E29'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "[[Null-ray|Null-Ray]] blasters"
:''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise (toyline)|Earthrise]]'' Thundercracker is a [[redeco]] of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Starscream]] from the same line.

:This set is a [[Target]] exclusive in the United States and comes packaged with [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Skywarp]].
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===Chronicle===
[[File:Chronicletoy ez thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|You ''used'' to want me, but now I just feel [[#Legends|inadequate]].]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (EZ Collection, 2011)

:''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of ''Transformers'' Legends Class Starscream. He transforms into an F-15 with many fuselage details borrowed from the Masterpiece version. This is the first Seeker mold in many years to attempt an entirely new transformation, with the arms now forming the rear of the jet and the legs folding under the wings. Thundercracker was available only in Japan, and like many Japanese "EZ Collection" toys, is [[blindpacking|blindpacked]].

:Surprisingly, Thundercracker was made available months before Starscream was released in the same line.
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===Kre-O===
[[File:KreOtoy KreonThundercracker.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Sentinel Prime''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''30687'''
**''Pieces'': '''386'''
**''Kreons'': Sentinel Prime, Soundwave, Thundercracker, Fire Chief
**''Accessories'': 2 clip-on blasters

: The Sentinel Prime construction set comes with a Thundercracker Kreon. He has a helmet, wing back that attaches around his neck, and two blasters that clip onto his arms. This Kreon mold was also used for [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (Kre-O)|Skywarp]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Decepticon/Kre-OThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy ThundercrackerC84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|right]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Most Indecisive
**''Accessories'': 2 clip-on blasters

: This version of Thundercracker has much more extensive toy-based [[tampograph]]s than his prior version, though his base plastic is distinctly cartoon-based baby blue.

:He was only available in a [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014 [[exclusive]] pack of 30 Kreons dubbed the "[[Kreon Class of 1984]]". Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online, only there ''was'' no remaining stock after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Decepticon/SDCCKre-OThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Class of 1984 Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Bot Shots===
[[File:Bot_Shots_Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.67]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B009'''
***''Fist strength'': '''255'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''800'''
***''Sword strength'': '''565'''

:Part of the third wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'', Thundercracker is unsurprisingly a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], turning into a [[super deformed]] jet. An impact to the jet's nose will trigger his spring-loaded transformation back to robot mode.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/BSThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===BeCool===
[[File:BeCool thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Blue Jet (Thundercracker) ''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''B14'''

:''[[Bot Shots (toyline)#BeCool|BeCool]]'' "Blue Jet" is practically identical to the ''Bot Shots'' Thundercracker toy, the only difference being that his stickers don't depict power levels but instead drawings of his vehicle mode, a jet's cockpit interior and a fighter pilot's helmet.
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TRU Masterpiece Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|You probably want me, but you can't afford me.]]
*'''Masterpiece Thundercracker''' (2012)
**''Accessories:'' Two AIM missile racks, hologram pilot, Megatron gun clasp, display stand

:A redeco of the newer ''Masterpiece'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP11|MP-11 Starscream]] mold, [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] Thundercracker features some extensive retooling to wind the ''Masterpiece'' Seeker design back into Kawamori's original, more Generation 1-accurate look, with most of the robot mode being newly tooled parts, including chunkier legs that now incorporate his tail-fins, [[retool]]ed shoulders and wingtips that no longer curve into one another, a new head (with collapsible head fins), new heel spurs that flip out for added support in robot mode, and re-engineered Incendiary Guns attached to extending armatures that mean they no longer have to be [[Partformer|removed]] for transformation.

:Other than the replaced incendiary guns, Thundercracker comes with all the accessories included with the previous releases of the mold, with Dr. Arkeville being replaced with the newer hologram pilot figurine. He features several whimsical [[tampograph]]s, which include Thundercracker holding [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] in tape deck mode, [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] in camera mode, "'''D-24'''" (Thundercracker's Japanese line designation), and various call outs to Hasbro designers, such as "'''[[Joe Kyde|LTC Joe 'Big Daddy' Kyde]]'''" and "'''Cpt. J. 'Dragon' Sass'''". The stock photos of the figure (as shown to the right), however, show all-red Reflector tampographs on the front of his shoulders; on the actual production toy, Reflector appears in full color on the ''back'' of the shoulders (visible on the sides of Thundercracker's jet mode), while the front of his shoulders features the ''Classics'' angled shoulder stripes, colored red to match his ''Generations'' figure.

:Curiously, the accessories, packaging, and instructions for Masterpiece Thundercracker are all specific to the older version of the mold (prior to the changes for MP-11 Starscream), and the packaging recycles the [[package art]] from ''Generations'' Thundercracker and features no pictures of the actual toy itself. The figure may have been intended for release with the older version of the Masterpiece Seeker mold before changes were made to use the newer version of the mold.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Decepticon/MPThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Hasbro Masterpiece Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

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===United===
[[File:United Thundercracker Toy.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|To think that a few years ago, there wasn't enough of me to go around...]]
*'''Seekers: Aces''' (2012-[[December 21|12-21]])
**''Accessories:'' Left & right launchers, 2 missiles
:''[[Transformers United|United]]'' Thundercracker is a fifth redeco of the ''Classics'' Starscream mold, and the first time he is offered with both of his wing mates [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys|Skywarp]].
: This version of Thundercracker is heavily based on his cartoon appearance. He features a light blue (lighter than the Henkei! Henkei! figure), dark gray paint on most of his black plastic, an amber cockpit, and shiny metallic blue paint on his shoulders and collar. Paint operations found on the Henkei! Henkei! release were shuffled around for the sake of cartoon accuracy.
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===Construct-Bots===
[[File:ConstructBots thundercracker stockphoto.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.65]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Scout, 2013)
**''Pieces: '''41'''
: Part of Wave 2 of Construct-Bots Scouts, Thundercracker can transform into a jet.

: Surprisingly, Thundercracker is not a [[redeco]] of the [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Starscream]] Construct-Bots toy, but does borrow most of his parts. His head is a retool of Starscream's, changing his smirk into an angrier face. Instead of using [[Blitzwing (G1)#Construct-Bots|Blitzwing]]'s wing and gatling gun parts, Thundercracker uses Triple-Changer [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Bumblebee]]'s wing, back armor, and nosecone parts, as well as [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Megatron]]'s blasters.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Decepticon/CBThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Q-Transformers===
[[File:QTransformers Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.66 | Baby! Baby! I'm a baby! I'm zero years old!]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2015-[[September 19|09-19]])
**''ID number:'' '''QT-31'''

:A redeco and minor retool of ''[[Q-Transformers]]'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Starscream]], Thundercracker transforms from a [[super deformed]] F-15 to a cute chubby little robot. His face has been changed from Starscream's smirk into a more sullen expression.

:This mold was also retooled into ''Q-Transformers'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Skywarp]] and [[Jetfire (G1)#Q-Transformers|Jetfire]].

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*'''Decepticons 3-Figure Set''' (2016)
**''ID number:'' '''QTFS-03'''

:During the second ''Q-Transformers'' series, the Thundercracker toy was available in a three-pack alongside [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Skywarp]]. He is identical to the original ''Q-Transformers'' toy.

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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
[[File:Decoy thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|Thunderwarp? Skycracker?]]
*'''Destron Hero Collection 22''' (multi-pack, 1986)
*'''Mini Mini Collection''' (multi-pack, 1986)

:Thundercracker was among the many characters rendered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of their series of 1.5" ''keshigomu'' figurines. Like all the Decepticons in the series, Thundercracker was molded in soft purple rubber, and featured a number sculpted into his back that was the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]]s, for use in the various games that could be played with the figurines. He is, surprisingly enough, ''not'' identical to either Starscream or Skywarp: the stance of his legs and the position of his Decepticon symbols differ, but he is, of course, most prominently distinguished by his raised right arm.

:Thundercracker was available as part of a 22-piece box set of Decepticon figures, in a peach coloration in several other box sets, including the Decepticon "Mini Mini Collection", and in a wide variety of colours in "gachapon" capsule machines.

*'''Thundercracker''' (1987)
**''Decoy number:'' '''34'''

: The Thundercracker figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number (34, in Thundercracker's case). Like all Decepticon Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]], and was, very early on in the promotion, available in an alternate red coloration that was only packed in with the Throttlebots. Unsurprisingly, this red figurine is much rarer.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Decoy Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[File:Scf thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2001)
**''Act'': '''4'''
**''Accessories'': Stand

: A three-inch tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Thundercracker was available as part of the fourth wave of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' line, a [[redeco]] of the [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Super Collection Figure|Starscream]] figure from the same series. Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full color figure and a metallic silver "pewter" version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures.

: In eight out of every ten cases, the pewter version of Thundercracker came with the left leg of the wave's collectible [[Metroplex (G1)#Super Collection Figure|Metroplex]] build-a-figure.

: This mold was redecoed to create [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Skywarp]], [[Sunstorm (G1)#Heroes of Cybertron|Sunstorm]] and the [[Air Warrior#Heroes of Cybertron|Air Warrors]] in the ''Heroes of Cybertron'' line (see below), and [[retool]]ed into [[Dirge (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Dirge]], [[Thrust (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Thrust]] and [[Ramjet (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Ramjet]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Destron/PewterThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Pewter Super Collection Figure Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Heroes of Cybertron===
[[File:HOC Thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|"'Heroes' of Cybertron huh, well why am I here when I'm the bad guy?"]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2003)

: Released in the second wave of Hasbro's ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line, this version of Thundercracker differs from his ''Super Collection Figure'' incarnation in several ways. Like all the ''Heroes'' figures, he was cast entirely in translucent plastic then painted over, leaving his eyes and the back of his head unpainted to create a [[light-piping]] effect. Moreover, ''Heroes'' Thundercracker features light grey pectorals instead of white, black forearms instead of grey (to match his helmet and feet), and a yellow cockpit instead of an orange one. He was sold in individual blister packaging with a profile card.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/HoCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Heroes of Cybertron Thundercracker at TFU.info]''

*'''"Air Warrior 6-pack"''' (2003)

: The original Thundercracker figurine was re-released again in this unnamed six-pack of figures available exclusively at [[OTFCC 2003]]. He came packaged with ''Heroes of Cybertron'' versions of [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Heroes of Cybertron|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Skywarp]], and three [[Air Warrior#Heroes of Cybertron|Air Warriors]].

: While the three named Seekers in the set were originally intended to have a sparkly paint job to differentiate them from the normal retail versions, that ended up not happening and they ended up basically exactly the same.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/OTFCCThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on 3H's Heroes of Cybertron Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===MyClone===
[[File:Myclone thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2003)
**''Accessories:'' Grey display base

:''[[MyClone]]'' Thundercracker—who you won't be surprised to hear is a redeco of ''MyClone'' Starscream—was one of two rare chase figures in the second wave of Takara's line of [[super deformed]] PVC figurines (the other being [[Galvatron (G1)/toys#MyClone|"Lava" Galvatron]]). He comes with a hexagonal grey display stand that can link up with the identical stands included with other MyClone figures, and his modular design allows his parts to be mixed and matched with those of any other MyClone figure.

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===Titanium Series===
[[File:Titanium-toy RMThundercracker.JPG|right|upright=1.1|thumb|Complete with rocket exhaust. Or possibly [[Goo]]. Or possibly oh dear god please let it be rocket exhaust or Goo.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (3" Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Pistol, "cloud" base, Display stand

: A redeco of "Robot Masters" Starscream, ''[[Titanium Series]]'' Thundercracker is a small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine based on his cartoon [[character model]], except with a blue head. He is sculpted holding a gun in his left hand and stretching out his right arm, while using his feet-jets to fly up.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/TitThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on Titanium Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Robotheroesjazzthundercracker.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|Now who's geeky?]]
*'''Jazz Vs Thundercracker''' (2007)

: A redeco of ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Starscream, Thundercracker is a two inch high figure sculpted in a [[super deformed]] style and articulated at the shoulders. He was available in a two-pack with [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Jazz]]. This mold was later redecoed as Skywarp in the "Decepticon Sneak Attack" set.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/RHThundercracker/thundercracker.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Thundercracker at TFU.info]''
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===Palisades===
[[File:PalisadesThundercracker.jpg|thumb|Thundercracker {{w|Jeff Dunham|on a ''stiiick''}}.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Palisades, 2005)

:A [[Palisades Toys|Palisades Direct]]-exclusive redeco of the Starscream statue, Thundercracker is a six inch tall polystone statue with articulated head and arms. He can stand normally or use a stand to take on a "hovering" pose. Thundercracker was limited to 300 pieces, and sculpted by [[3L Creation Group]] from a design by [[George Tremarco]].

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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[File:DST08 ThundercrackerBust.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Diamond Select, 2008)
:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2008, Thundercracker was first exclusive to the [[New York Comic Con]] and later on offered by online retailer Big Bad Toy Store. He was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]] and limited to 400 pieces.
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===The Loyal Subjects===
[[File:LoyalSubjects thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.65]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Gun
:This 3-inch tall vinyl figurine of Thundercracker was released by the [[The Loyal Subjects]] in their first wave of [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] ''Transformers'' figures. He shares his mold with the simultaneously-released Loyal Subjects Starscream figurine, and was later redecoed to create the [[Rainmaker]] trio and [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. He was available at a ratio of two out of every sixteen figures in the wave.
::*''[https://www.theloyalsubjects.com/store/transformers-mini-series-casepack More information on Thundercracker and the rest of wave 1 at TheLoyalSubjects.com]
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===D-Style===
[[File:DStyle thundercracker.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.65]]
*'''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (09-2015)
**''ID number:'' 48
**''Accessories:'' Scowling face, smirking face, shouting face, open hand, closed hands, mini F15 jet

:This [[super deformed]] Thundercracker model kit was produced by [[Kotobukiya]] as part of their franchise-spanning ''[[D-Style]]'' line, available in a two-pack with an identical model of [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#D-Style|Skywarp]]. Like [[Megatron (G1)/merchandise#D-Style|Megatron]] he comes with three different faces and in line with the rest of the line, comes with a miniature figurine of his alt mode figure. He also contains a replaceable open hand. His chest contains flip-up panels in his chest that reveal missile racks based on the weapons seen in the Generation 1 episode "Fire on the Mountain". His incendiary guns can be removed and wielded as guns, and he can also hold Megatron's gun. The kit is only partially painted, and a guide is included with paint colors to help the buyer finish the kit themselves.

:This mold was also used to make ''D-Style'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#D-Style|Starscream]].

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===Mecha Nations===
[[File:Mn10-thundercracker.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Skywarp''' (2015)
**''ID Number:'' '''MN10'''
**''Accessories:'' alternate hands, display stand.

:Created by [[Kids Logic]], this [[super deformed]] G1 Thundercracker is a redeco of Mecha Nations [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Mecha Nations|Starscream]] with a new face. He stands 6" tall and is articulated, featuring a shiny metallic color scheme, removable armor and replacement hands. He also features LED light up eyes, Decepticon insignias on his wings, null rays and thrusters in his feet, for use when he's "hovering", mounted on the included display stand.

:This figure was also redecoed with a different new face into Mecha Nations [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Mecha Nations|Skywarp]], with whom he was a 2015 Toy Soul exhibition exclusive.

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===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W1Thundercracker.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Thundercracker//Mach Warrior''' (2018)
**'''Wave 1'''
**''Rarity: '''''UT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T39/T40'''
**''Stars: ''8
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[[File:W4SergeantThundercracker.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Sergeant Thundercracker//Infantry•Seeker''' (2019)
**'''Wave 4: War for Cybertron: Siege II'''
**''Rarity: '''''RT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T47/T52'''
**''Stars: ''9

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===Flame Toys===
[[File:FlameToys-FuraiModel-05-Thundercracker.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (May 2019)
**''Number:'' '''05'''

:Part of the ''Furai Model'' line of articulated {{w|Gundam model|Gunpla-style}} model kits from [[Flame Toys]], Thundercracker is a redeco of the [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Flame Toys|Starscream]] model kit.
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==Notes==
[[File:Ehobbygobotscatalog.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb]]
*During the development of the [[Conehead]]s, [[Thrust (G1)/toys|Thrust]] was initially planned as new wing tooling attached to an unchanged Thundercracker body, as seen in the Japanese catalog image (at the right). This plan lasted long enough to receive [[package art]], which was published decades later in ''[[Legacy: The Art of Transformers Packaging]]''. [[Fun Publications]] would revive this design with the ''Classics'' mold to create the character [[Nacelle (G1)|Nacelle]].
*In addition to being the basis of ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]], the [[#ActionMaster|Action Master version]] of Thundercracker also made an [[Easter egg]] cameo as a generic Decepticon in [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] [[The Transgressors|#44]].

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Talk:Kup (G1)

2015-05-10T23:07:03Z

Skrollex: /* Targetmaster */

Does anyone else want to help work on this to make him the Featured Article for June? BotCon ends right as June begins, and Kup is the star of the set, so I thought it might be appropriate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:Logical choice. Just looks like he needs his Dreamwave and... er, dang near ''all'' of his cartoon section done. I'm in a G1-cartoon sorta place right now, so I'll take a whack at that part, and the associated Japanese gumpf. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:19, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::Shouldn't be too hard to get his IDW section up to date, either. I've got those issues sitting around. ...hey, does he HAVE merchandise? He's got a section for it and a stub template... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:::...maybe a PVC? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:22, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Nope. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:42, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::No PVC in the HOC-era. No Kabaya kits, no MC Axis, no bottlecap statuettes I think, no MyClones (even wreck-gar got one of those!) no stamping sets... I think Kup might actually have ''no'' merchandise. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:43, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::I am completely apalled. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:48, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

Hey, anyone know if Kup's TF Collection "Future Cybertron" bio got translated? Just wondering if it contains any information on how he got bonded to Recoil (operating, that is, on the assumption that in J-continuity, Recoil is a robot from Master). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:05, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

I say, this is all looking rather spiffy. I've scanned his TFC bio and sent it to Spengs, so if there's anything there, I'll throw that in and we'll be golden. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:48, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Targetmaster==
I just bought Kup with Recoil and he has die-cast metal parts just like the original figure. Are we sure there wasn't a run of TM Kup figures where the die-cast was retained? Feel free to blast me if this is a stupid question.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 21:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
: The TM Kup "Transformers Collection" reissue with Wheelie had die-cast. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:57, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::My figure's copyright markings say 1986.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 05:50, 20 July 2009 (EDT)
::: I had Targetmaster Kup in 1987, and while his wheels were solid plastic, his chest was definitely die-cast metal. I even scraped the paint to give him a more weathered look. I'd like to see one with a plastic chest, if such exists. [[User:Kyojikasshu|Kyojikasshu]] ([[User talk:Kyojikasshu|talk]]) 11:34, 24 April 2014 (EDT)

== Up drawing thing ==

Fan club magazine is ''not'' part of [[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]. Maybe the heading title should be change for that section or have a note added. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:34, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

==Wings of honor==

Isn't Wing of honor supposed to go in with the cartoon continuity, so could we move that section up there? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 06:12, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, it's very similar to the cartoon continuity but there have been intentional deviations. The same can be said of things like Dreamwave and Blackthorn, so we should keep Wings where it is. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 08:21, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
::Well in that case can we move that section away from the cartoon continuity on some other characters pages? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 09:09, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

== Generations Kup instructions head ==

Does anybody know who the planned retool of Kup is or why the head discrepancy isn't noted in the main article? [[Special:Contributions/134.71.80.204|134.71.80.204]] 18:28, 17 February 2011 (EST) (ZeldaTheSwordsman. P.S., I'm very, very, very sorry)

A '''possible''' retool could be Orion Pax, but as of today, Febuary 24 2011, we don't know who or what '''could''' be re-tooled,(Deceptiscourge45).

== Experience Lad... ==

Anyone mind if the quote at the top is extended to include 'Experience lad, you should learn to appreciate it' as I feel this encapsulates kup a bit more? [[User:Durge|Durge]] 20:43, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Targetmaster ==

I too have the Targetmaster version of this toy (and have had it since I was a kid, and have the instructions and part of the original box to prove it) and it indeed does have die cast metal. (Just the front windshield part of the truck. The wheels are plastic.) The date stamped onto the figure is 1986, though the date is stamped onto the part of the toy that has the hole for Recoil in truck mode. Were there two releases of the Targetmaster, one with die cast and one without?

Update: I posted this years ago and it appears others (above) are confirming that TM Kup does indeed have a die cast chest. I'm not an expert on variants so I was hesitant to update the page but now it seems we should? [[User:Skrollex|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex|talk]]) 19:07, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Generations Mold Glitch ==
I think info on the Generations Kup mold should include a note that the torso auto-transformation gimmick either isn't supposed to work, when transforming him back into a truck, or else something inside him gets out of alignment after the first couple of times transforming him, with the same result. I posted a thread on the Allspark about it, so I have confirmation that this is possibly a design flaw, because the E-Hobby version has the same glitch.
[[User:SteamPunk Astrotrain|SteamPunk Astrotrain]] 23:43, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

2015-05-10T23:01:30Z

Skrollex: /* Generation 2 */

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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime boxart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|Awwwwww yeah......]]
Since 1984, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 '''Optimus Prime''']] has received the largest number of toys for any single ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' character, a testament to the character's enduring popularity and status as a hero to many fans.

==Generation 1==
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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|From the ''Diaclone'' Battle Convoy came Optimus Prime and all his subsequent incarnations.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (1984, 1985, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), [[Trailer]]/[[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]], [[Roller (G1)|Roller]], 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

: The original Optimus Prime toy started life as the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy, "Battle Convoy", created by a team of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] designers who came on board when the original designer fell behind. This team included [[Hiroyuki Obara]] (listed as the sole creator on the toy's patent) and famed mecha designer [[Shōji Kawamori]]. The toy transforms into two major components; the first component being a red and blue post-1973 White Freightliner 96-inch cab WFT cab over engine semi-trailer truck partially composed of [[die-cast]] metal, and the second component being a large silver trailer of currently-undetermined model.

:The cab transforms into the [[robot mode]] of Optimus Prime himself, with the addition of a pair of removable blue fists that plug into his headlights. The fists themselves do not store anywhere in vehicle mode, but can fit easily in Prime's opening chest compartment (originally designed to accommodate two ''Diaclone'' driver figures). Prime is armed with a black laser rifle that, due to design, he cannot hold straight.

:Prime's trailer opens up into his [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]], containing the scout drone, [[Roller (G1)|Roller]]. The interior of the Combat Deck features three pegs that can accommodate Prime's laser rifle, fuel pump and nozzle accessories, and seating for two ''Diaclone'' drivers. As its central feature, the Combat Deck features a missile-armed repair drone pod mounted upon a boom lift arm (featuring another cockpit for a ''Diaclone'' driver), which can also be extended through holes in the trailer's roof and front-end when it is closed. Situated in the base of the boom arm is a spring-loaded launcher that can launch Roller out of the Combat Deck and into action. Roller himself has seating for four ''Diaclone'' passengers, and features a port that can accommodate either Prime's rifle or the fuel pump. The interior space of the trailer allows storage room for one standard Autobot car, which can also be shot forward by the launcher.

[[File:G1toy optimus prime variants and running changes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Most people would be happy with just ''one'' Optimus Prime, but noooooo...]]

:Optimus Prime was subject to several molding and color variations in his early days. The earliest release of the figure featured larger fists, a gun with a thick, round barrel, a slightly-differently shaped gas pump, grey rockets, a grey Roller, a grey launcher in his Combat Deck, and metal plates in the floor of the Combat Deck (a holdover from the ''Diaclone'' version of the toy, to which the magnetic feet of the pilots could cling). In short order, his fists were slimmed down, the gun's barrel was pared down to a more slender form, the gas pump's shape was altered, the rockets and launcher were recast in black plastic, the metal plates were removed from the Combat Deck, and Roller's color was changed to a light blue. Along with Roller's color change, however, the Combat Deck's drone pod also became light blue, and a third running change soon followed that saw it restored to its original darker blue, and Roller changed along with it. These modified components would become the default accessories used by subsequent reissues of the Prime toy would take, though Roller stills fluctuates back and forth between grey and dark blue, depending on how [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] each reissue wants to be.

:The Japanese release of the figure also underwent the changes in weapon shapes, but never featured a silver Roller; instead, their original release of Prime featured a ''Diaclone''-style Roller without the two rear pegs, and the differently-shaped launcher that accommodated him, before a running change switched over to the Hasbro version of the mold. Finally, in some European countries, Prime sported red feet, as opposed to his traditional blue; this version of the figure is also known in some cases to feature a differently-painted forehead crest which leaves the three central indentations unpainted blue.

:Having been removed from toy store shelves after 1985, Optimus Prime was made available as a mail-away toy in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" offer in the US in 1986 to coincide with the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers movie]] premiering that year. He cost $21.50 and 5 [[Robot Point]]s, and came with a special "Movie Edition Certificate" and a round sticker that read " Movie . Edition . Transformer" with the Autobot symbol in the middle. (This item is considered ''rare''.)

:Over twenty-plus years, there have been a ''bajillion'' releases of this mold, some identical to the original toy, and some featuring significant variants with notably different paint jobs, color schemes, accessories and other pack-ins. We have striven to list all these variants on this page under their respective series; for a quick-reference list of all variants and releases [[#Notes|check here]]. The cab robot has also been used sparingly to represent different characters; outfitted with different trailers, it has become Generation 1 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Pepsi Convoy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Generation 1 Optimus Prime at TFU.info]

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[[File:G1-toy OptimusPepsi.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Pespibots, roll out!]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Limited edition promotional variant, 1985)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:A limited edition of the Optimus Prime toy sold as a mail-away exclusive by [[PepsiCo]] was made available in North America in 1985. This version of the figure came with a small fold-out leaflet glued to the top-right of the packaging, which contained two Pepsi logo stickers for the buyer to attach to Prime, mid-way through the traditional silver-and-blue stripe on his trailer. [[Canada]] also got a version of this promotional figure, but with much larger stickers that were the full length and height of the trailer. This promotion would go on to serve as the inspiration for the Japanese character of [[Pepsi Convoy]], who would in turn be released by Hasbro as a new "[[#Classics|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]" in 2007.
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[[File:Convoy megatron vsx.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron, what are we doing in the same box???!!!!]]
* '''Convoy vs. Megatron''' (Versus set, 1985)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VSX'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

: This Japanese-[[exclusive]] release of Optimus Prime came with the Japanese release of [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]. There are no differences between this release of Convoy and the individually released toy.

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[[File:Goodbye convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He's not leaving! He's right behind you!]]
* '''Good Bye Convoy''' (Multipack, 1986)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump
: Commemorating the death of Optimus Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', this set contains a special version of the original Optimus Prime figure with show-inspired translucent blue windows. It was packaged with [[Mirage (G1)|Ligier]] and [[Red Alert (G1)|Alert]], in an apparent homage to the similar ''Diaclone'' "Powered Convoy DX" giftset that packaged the "Powered Convoy" version of the Optimus mold with figures using the molds of Ligier and Alert.

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* '''Optimus Prime''' (Powermaster, 1988)
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head
[[File:PowermasterOptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My Japanese release has a lot more bling.]]
:Powermaster Optimus Prime was the first new toy of the Autobot leader since the original toy's release in 1984. He is an all-new design, utilizing the [[Powermaster]] gimmick of requiring the partner figure, who transforms into an engine module, to be inserted into a special area on the main toy before it is able to transform.

:Like the original figure, Powermaster Prime is composed of two major components: his truck cab, which transforms into Prime himself, and his trailer, which is essentially a heavily-armed version of the original. The trailer has a fold-down ramp to allow the storage of a smaller Transformer, or perhaps spare accessories. The trailer transforms into a battle station armed with two long black rifles and two grey double-barreled cannons (featuring seating for Powermaster engine figures), all of which Optimus Prime can also wield in his fists.

:Aside from the Powermaster feature itself, the main [[gimmick]] of the toy is the ability of the truck cab to combine with the trailer to form the larger "Super Optimus Prime" figure. This is essentially accomplished by standing the trailer up, folding the cab in half and inserting it into the empty cavity in the trailer's torso, forming an imposing—if almost entirely unposeable—robot form armed with all four weapons. The head of this super robot form is a separate piece which can be stored in the rear of Prime's trailer when not in use.

:The Japanese release of Powermaster Optimus Prime actually represented a new character named [[Ginrai]], and featured several retools: the cab featured die-cast metal, shortened smokestacks, vacuum-metalized plastic and clear blue windows, while the trailer was given retractable super robot fists. This Japanese version was eventually issued by Hasbro in 2003 as part of the [[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] collection ([[#Commemorative Series|see below]]).

:This toy was later redecoed into the Japanese-exclusive Nucleon Quest Super Convoy.

:There were several different prototypes made for this toy. [[#Powermaster Optimus Prime design history|See a list here]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optmiusprime.htm More information on Powermaster Optimus Prime on TFU.info]''

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[[File:ActionMasterPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Eastbound and Down.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' 2 Laser Guns, Galactic Pulverizer Gun Barrels, 4 Blaster Cannons, 2 Energon Exhaust Stack, Photon Bazooka

: The largest ''[[Action Master]]'' set, this incarnation of Optimus Prime is a non-transforming action figure which comes with the "[[Armored Convoy]]", a large, heavily armed tractor trailer. The cab of the truck transforms into a small jet that can seat one Action Master figure, while the trailer itself converts into a larger battle station with turrets that several Action Masters can man. The sculpt of the Prime figure itself is closely based on his [[character model]], albeit with a coloration that seems to have been based at least partially on the small robot form of his Powermaster body.

:The Action Master Optimus Prime figure was later redecoed with a more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] color scheme and included in the Japanese-exclusive "New Year" reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy in 2002.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Action Master Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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*'''Original Optimus Prime''' (Original Autobot Leader, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:This straight reissue of the original Optimus Prime figure was released in Hasbro's European markets in the early 1990s, at the same time as many other Generation 1 figures were being re-released as "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]". Oddly, although he shares their golden packaging, Prime is not actually ''identified'' as a "Classics" figure anywhere on his box, but is generally considered to be part of the sub-line for simplicity's sake.
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*'''Convoy''' (reissue, 2000)[[File:2000 japanese prime reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:The first in what would be a deluge of reissues of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure in the 21st century, this Japanese release sported a golden sticker on his packaging announcing the celebration of the Transformers' 15th anniversary in the country. It featured slightly modified fists to help hold the gun better.

:Simultaneously, this figure was available as a black convention-exclusive redeco, and a golden-chromed "[[Lucky Draw figure]]" (see below).
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[[File:Jafcon convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Not the first [[Black Lio Convoy|black Convoy]], but the first that wasn't an evil clone.]]
*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (black), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Released concurrently with the 2000 reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this [[black repaint|black redeco]] of the original Prime was available exclusively at the Japanese convention JAFCON. ''Everything'' about it is black, including all of the Combat Deck and Roller.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Cybertron/JAFConvoy/jafconvoy.htm More information on JAFCON Black Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy convoy gold version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's a gold digger/way over Cybertron.]]
*'''Convoy Gold Version''' (2000)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (gold), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Released concurrently with the 2000 reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this "[[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]]" redeco of the original Prime replaced all of the figure's silver chromed parts and stickers with golden ones, and even included a blinged-out Roller. The figure is extremely rare; apparently only 25 are known to exist.
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[[File:Nucleon quest convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Nucleon Quest Super Convoy''' (2001)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-307X'''
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head

:This redeco of the Ginrai tooling of the Powermaster Optimus Prime figure (released concurrently with the 2001 reissue of the Ginrai figure) was a Toys ''R'' Us Japan [[exclusive]] black repaint, made to represent the original Optimus Prime equipped for a special mission. All of his red and blue plastics were changed to black, his clear blue windows were now tinted red, making his overall colour scheme very reminiscent of the now-familiar 'Black Convoy' color schemes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/NucleonQuestConvoy/nqconvoy.htm More information on Nucleon Quest Super Convoy at TFU.info]''
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*'''New Year Special Convoy''' (2002)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''[[File:New year convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
**''Accessories:'' 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, Action Master Optimus Prime figure, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Matrix of Leadership]], chain, Autobot sticker sheet, mouse pad

:This Japanese-exclusive reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure featured tinted blue windows, like those sported by the "Goodbye Convoy" edition of the toy, as well as show-accurate blue eyes. Prime came with all his original accessories, including ''both'' versions of his rifle, as well as a new die-cast metal Matrix of Leadership accessory, which could be looped around his neck on a removable chain. Additionally, the set included a show-accurate redeco of the Action Master Optimus Prime figure, a sheet of Autobot [[insignia]] stickers of varying sizes, and a mouse pad decorated with the Autobot symbol.

:The Matrix accessory was later recolored in gold chrome for inclusion with the 2005 [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron reissue toy]], and in green chrome as the [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Creation Matrix]] for the [[e-HOBBY]]-exclusive [[Galvatron II#Toys|Galvatron II]] toy. It returned to its original silver coloration when it was included, sans chain, in the 2010 ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers: Reveal the Shield]]'' "Battle in Space" 2-pack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/NewYearsConvoy/nyconvoy.htm More information on New Year Special Convoy at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G1toy sons of cybertron optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Sons of Cybertron''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Machine gun turret/rifle

:Released as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s "Welcome to Transformers 2010" campaign, the "Sons of Cybertron" set includes a redeco of the 2006 ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' "Ultimate Battle" pack Deluxe class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]], cast mostly in translucent plastic (his shoulders remain opaque [[Unpaintable plastic|Polyoxymethylene (POM)]]). He comes packaged with a similarly translucent redeco of ''Classics'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]].

:The set is a counterpart to TakaraTomy's simultaneously-available ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' Sons of Cybertron set, which also features translucent versions of that line's Deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] figures. It was intended as an exclusive for the Japanese Chara Hobby 2010 festival, but was also initially offered as a raffle prize at the 2010 "Autobot Alliance" event in the Philippines.,<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/sons-of-cybertron-crystal-classics-optimus-prime-and-rodimus-set-images-169977/ TFW2005.com reports on the Philippines Autobot Alliance/Cybertron Con event. June 18, 2010]</ref> and was later available for purchase at [[Cybertron Con 2010]] in [[Shanghai]].
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[[File:G1toy BAPE convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Trukk not munky|TRUKK...''AND'' MUNKY?]]]]
* '''Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver.''' (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in July 2011, concurrently with a range of exclusive Transformers t-shirts, "Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver." (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® Ver.) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new green color scheme, along with a tan trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese Optimus Prime packaging.
::*''[http://bape.com/transformer Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. on BAPE.com]''
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[[File:G1toy BAPE ConvoyBlack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime at his audition for ''The Artist''.]]
* '''Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK'''<ref>Or "Ver. Black Camo," in ''[[Transformers Generations 2012]]''.</ref> (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2012)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in April 2012, "Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK" (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® Ver. BLACK) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new grey color scheme, along with a grey trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese packaging.
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[[File:G1toy BAPE ConvoyRed.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Three times faster than the original BAPE version.]]
* '''Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO'''<ref>Japanese listing on the BAPE website. The accompanying English text reads "01 CONVOY BAPE VERSION RED CAMO".</ref> (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in March 2013, "Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO" (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® VERSION RED CAMO) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new red color scheme, along with a red trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese packaging.

::*''[http://www.bape.com/transformers_3 Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO on BAPE.com]''
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==Transform Jr==
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[[File:Convoy Junior toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's kid brother.]]
* '''Convoy''' (1985)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

: As one of the first ''[[Transform Jr]]'' toys, this version of Optimus Prime was released under the early name for the series, ''Transform Gōkin''. As a smaller, simplified version of the original Generation 1 Prime figure intended as a low-cost alternative for younger children, Prime features a similar transformation, with a removable head in addition to fists, but lacks rubber tires and translucent windows. As with most other ''Transform Jr'' figures, he lacked any of his major accessories, coming only with his rifle and a cardboard replacement for his trailer that had to be assembled by the buyer.

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[[File:Transformjr hero set.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The true Heroes of Cybertron]]
*'''Cybertron Hero Set''' (multipack, 1987)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Prime was re-released a few years later in a "Hero" set alongside the ''Jr'' versions of [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]].

*'''5 Years of Leaders Set''' (multipack, 1989)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

:Prime was again re-released several years later in a lucky Draw "5 Years of Leaders" set alongside the ''Jr'' versions of Rodimus Convoy, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], God Ginrai and Star Saber.

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==Return of Convoy==
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[[File:StarConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"... and that's why you're my Micromaster now, [[Hot Rod (G1)|bitch.]]"]]
* '''Star Convoy''' (Powered Master, 1991)
**''ID number:'' '''C-372'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, [[Micro Trailer]], Microcarrier, small cannon, cannon turret stand, radar, connector, 2 ramps

: As the final new-design Optimus Prime toy from the original Generation 1 era, the Japanese-exclusive Star Convoy was a significant departure from previous versions. This incarnation of Prime transforms into an extended-hood cab truck of made-up model pulling an implausibly large trailer, incorporating the motorized "Microcarrier". Powered by four AA batteries, the Microcarrier drives Star Convoy either forward or backward, spinning a radar dish mounted on the rear of his trailer as he rolls along. Prime's teammate in the [[Battlestars]], [[Grandus (ROC)|Grandus]], can link up to the rear of Star Convoy's vehicle mode and be pulled along behind him; [[Sky Garry (ROC)|Sky Garry]] can then land atop Grandus, forming a giant vehicle.

:Unlike previous Prime toys, the cab section does not separate from the trailer for transformation, instead forming the arms of his imposing 12-inch tall robot mode. He lacks any sort of leg articulation in this mode, but the Microcarrier comes into play again, allowing Prime to roll either forward or backward into action.

:Additionally, Star Convoy transforms into a large battle station that interacts with the [[Micromaster]]s that made up the vast majority of the ''Transformer'' toyline at the time. His chest contains a peg that allows Micromaster figures to stand inside it in either robot or base modes, and he comes with a unique Micromaster version of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Hot Rod]] not available on its own. He features storage space in his legs for two spring-loaded figure-launching [[Micro Trailer]]s, and comes with one of his own, decorated in a unique black and orange color scheme. In this mode, two ramps are connected to the Microcarrier; when the carrier's treads are set rolling, they do not move the base, but instead act as conveyor belts that carry Micromaster figures down the ramps. The Microcarrier also spins a gun turret mounted between the conveyors, on which Micromaster figures can stand. Finally, a special connector packaged with Star Convoy allows the Microcarrier to be connected up to Grandus's base mode, powering his moving elevator.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on Star Convoy at TFU.info]''
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[[File:StarConvoy reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Star Convoy''' (reissue, 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''C-372'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, [[Micro Trailer]], Microcarrier, small cannon, cannon turret stand, radar, connector, 2 ramps

:Star Convoy was reissued by Takara in 2005, with some notable alterations to his deco: his white plastic was replaced with metallic silver, and the yellow star on his chest was chromed golden. Star Convoy himself retained some of his original decals but most notably his "simulated head lights" and "wind shield panels" were stamp graphed on him, similarly, Hot Rod's were replaced with the same stamp graphing applications. Additionally, where the original toy had been packaged in robot mode in a tall box decorated with the standard Japanese package art of the time, the reissue was packaged in vehicle mode, in a long, wide box more reminiscent of the original Generation 1 toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on reissue Star Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==Generation 2==
* '''Optimus Prime''' (1993, 1994)[[File:G2Prime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I AM OPTIMUS PRIME.]]
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (light blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles, sound and lights module

:The first ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime toy was largely identical in sculpt to the original Generation 1 figure release. While his cab robot retained his original red and blue color scheme, his trailer was recast in black, with the original blue and silver striped sticker replaced with a red and silver one displaying Optimus' name. On the first release of the trailer, the internal components and Roller matched the blue of the cab robot. Later, the internal components were changed to a lighter blue, as was Roller. Another running change followed, making the dark blue of the cab robot match this lighter shade. A bright yellow "Autobot" [[tampograph]] was also added to the back of his right leg.

:''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime comes with all his original accessories, as well as two major new play features. To increase his arsenal, he is armed with a pair of black missile launchers that fit in his fists and fire red spring-loaded missiles; these launchers were retooled from the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' figure [http://www.yojoe.com/action/92/barricade.shtml Barricade]. Secondly, he comes with an electronic "sound and lights module" that can either plug into the front of the trailer (where it resembles the air conditioners used on refrigerated trailers), or hook onto Optimus's back in [[robot mode]] (via a new slot sculpted into the cab robot). The soundbox features a large, [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metalized]] Autobot symbol on its front, and three grey buttons which trigger two flashing red LEDs on either side of the module, and [[:File:G2OptimusNoises.ogg|a trio of sound effects]]: a truck engine noise, a laser gun sound effect and a garbled voice that said "I am Optimus Prime!". The module also features ports on either side into which the missile launchers can peg.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Generation 2 Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:CombatheroPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|BE A HEEEERO]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Hero, 1994)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, 2 rockets

:[[Hero (G2)|Hero]] Optimus Prime was the first new-mold Optimus Prime toy created for the ''Generation 2'' line. He transforms into a Kenworth truck of unknown model which defies Optimus convention by being one continuous unit, rather than the traditional cab-and-trailer combo. In addition to a small gun, he is armed with a large missile launcher, which can fire a rubber-tipped rocket by means of a bellows which you slam your fist down on to produce a puff of air. The launcher is accessible in both modes, ending up mounted on his right forearm in robot mode; the bellows is attached via a rubber hose and cannot be disconnected, but stores on the figures's back when not in use, as do the rockets. A similar air-launching system with identical missiles was used by the simultaneously-released [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Hero Megatron]], and by Laser Optimus Prime the following year (see below).

: This mold was also used to create [[Sureshot (G2)|Sureshot]] and the [[KB Toys]]-exclusive [[Destructicon (RID)|Destructicon]] [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Hero Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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* '''Laser Optimus Prime''' (1995)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon", "saber weapon", missile launcher, 10 missiles, 5 discs, 2 rockets
[[File:G2toy laser optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|What was that about shoulder-speakers, Jazz?]]

: Laser Optimus Prime transforms into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX, pulling a grey and black fuel tank trailer. The sides of the trailer are decorated with an unintentionally humourous sticker depicting Prime using a flamethrower to burn down a forest, with the words "Optimus Prime Octane" over the image. Not an especially Primey thing to do! The truck is armed with a disc launcher on the roof of its trailer, which launches five blue discs bearing the ''Generation 2'' Autobot insignia as a knob is turned. Like the other "[[Laser Rod|Laser]]" toys released this year, Prime features electronics powered by two button-cell batteries; in truck mode, pressing the button on the cab's roof causes his headlight to light up with yellow LEDs.

:In the grand Optimus tradition, the cab of Laser Optimus Prime disconnects to become the highly poseable robot mode of Prime himself. Like Powermaster Prime and Hero Prime, the toy features the iconic windshield pecs and grill abs, despite not actually being formed from the actual truck components they emulate. In robot mode, pressing the button on Prime's cab (now on his back) activates a red LED in his right fist which illuminates his clear-plastic sword (which stores beneath his legs in truck mode).

:Prime's trailer unfolds via a spring-loaded transformation mechanism in a battle station that is positively ''bristling'' with varied weaponry. In addition to the disc launcher, it is armed with a "ripple-fire" missile launcher that fires five missiles, an air-powered rocket launcher like the one previously seen on Hero Optimus Prime, and a small laser cannon that mounts on the base's main tower. Both the missile launcher and laser cannon can disconnect and be held by Prime; his LED-fist will illuminate the laser cannon like it does his sword. Additional missiles and a second rocket are stored in grooves inside the sides of the trailer.

:This mold was redecoed by Takara in 2000 as ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Car Robots]]'' [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]]. The following year, it was released by Hasbro as Black Convoy's [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' franchise]] counterpart, Scourge, with retooled discs that lacked the Autobot insignia. Following this, the next use of the mold was planned to be ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Toxitron (Universe)|Toxitron]], which ended up being canceled. The modified tooling was also used when Laser Prime was reissued by Takara in 2006 with a modified deco ([[#G2reissue|see below]]), and for the e-Hobby exclusive [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#G-2|Laser Ultra Magnus]] that accompanied the reissue's release. In 2015, ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition Year of the Goat]]'' Optimus Prime, another repaint version, comes with partially transparent plastic torso.

:In addition to being the most popular Generation 2 figure, Laser Optimus Prime was, prior to 2003, a regular contender for most popular Transformers toy ''ever'', back in the days of the annual Transformers fan awards, "The Trannies." The toy won twice, and actually lost once to his redeco, Scourge.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Laser Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G2toy gobot prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sweet ride, Prime]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Go-Bot, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun

: [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] Optimus Prime transforms into a red Hot Wheels-sized Lamborghini Diablo. Like most Go-Bots, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly. He is armed with a small red laser rifle.

:The Japanese release of this toy swapped out the orange plastic for neon yellow, and had a large tampograph on the car's hood that was shaped like a stylized letter 'T', with the Transformers logo in it. Going against the grain, this toy was released in Japan with the name "Optimus Prime" instead of "Convoy".

:This sculpt was redecoed from the ''Generation 2'' Gobot [[Firecracker]]. The plastic colors are a "solid" version of Firecracker's color layout, substituting opaque red for transparent red plastic. It was redecoed again for the third wave of Go-Bots to become [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Go-Bot|Sideswipe]] (who Prime ''really'' looks a lot like), and would later be used to created ''Robots in Disguise'' [[R.E.V.]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrimeGobot/optimusprime.htm More information on Go-Bot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Combat Hero, 1995)
** ''Accessories:'' Gun, 2 rockets
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: Combat Hero Optimus Prime was to be a redeco of Hero Optimus Prime in dark blue and red. Packaged samples of this toy were produced, but it was ultimately never released.

:The packaged samples feature a "traditional" color scheme for the head, with a silver [[mouthplate]]; the prototype depicted in the official catalog image seen on the right sports an unusual ''red'' mouthplate, which inspired several later toys.

:A finished sample of Combat Hero Optimus Prime was among the rare toys auctioned off for charity at [[BotCon 1996]], along with several other unreleased ''Generation 2'' items.

::*''[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Prototypes/Generation2/HeroOptimusPrimeProtoMOSC.html "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in packaging at Super Toy Archive]''
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/generation+2/blue+optimus+prime/3654 "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in packaging at Transformers @ The Moon]''
::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/g2/combat-hero-optimus-prime/3429/1/ "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in and out of packaging at Seibertron]
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* '''General Optimus Prime''' (Auto Roller, 1995)
** ''Accessories:'' Four missiles
[[File:Un autorollers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]

: "General" Optimus Prime would have been a redeco of the Decepticon [[Auto Roller]] [[Dirtbag]] in green, ironically bearing a closer resemblance to [[Hound (G1)|Hound]]'s color scheme than the also-unreleased [[Hound (G1)#Generation 2|"Sgt. Hound"]] Auto Roller. General Optimus Prime would have transformed into a dump truck, and would've had an [[autotransformation]] gimmick.

: This mold was also used to make [[Autostinger]].

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[[File:LaserPrime reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Battle Convoy''' (reissue, 2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon", "saber weapon", missile launcher, 10 missiles, 5 discs, 2 rockets

:This reissue of the original ''Generation 2'' Laser Optimus Prime figure was made using the modified version of the mold created for ''Robots in Disguise'' Scourge, lacking the sculpted ''Generation 2'' Autobot insignias on the disks featured on the original. It sported a modified deco, with the flat grey plastic on both the trailer and Prime's chest now replaced with silver chrome; additionally, new Autobot symbol tampographs were added to the doors of Prime's cab mode and the front end of his trailer, and a pair of new chest-window stickers featuring an illustration of the Matrix of Leadership replaced the original decals.

:This version of the mold was used to create the e-Hobby exclusive Laser Ultra Magnus, and somewhat more perplexingly, was briefly [[repurposing|repurposed]] by the [[Master of the Game|second]] ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' text story as a temporary body for [[Optimus Primal]]!
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==Beast Wars==
{{Note|Very early in the life of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' toyline (before the debut of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon), Hasbro treated the series as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and so Optimus Primal was presented as being the same character as Optimus Prime.}}

* '''Optimus Primal vs Megatron!''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-6'''[[File:BWtoy-Primalbat.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm Batman, and I can breathe in space.]]
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:The first ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]] is a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removable from under its wings for use as weaponry in [[robot mode]]. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:This figure was released during the short-lived period when Hasbro was treating the Beast Wars as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and Optimus Primal was presented as being the same character as Optimus Prime. This was soon relegated to the realms of [[micro-continuity]] when the ''Beast Wars'' animated series began and clearly established that the two Optimuses were different characters, but the toy remains one that was officially branded as Prime, and is consequently listed here.

:This mold was also used to make the [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Prime-recolored Convobat]] (who may or may not be a separate character to either Prime or Primal), and [[Onyx Primal]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimalBat/optimusprimal.htm More information on Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

[[File:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, that's just Prime.]]
* '''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic one, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in his fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barreled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of his back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or bend in and out at the elbow, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. This gimmick was shown to be an effort to simulate a gorilla beating its chest while Optimus was in [[beast mode]], but could also be used in robot mode, making him swing his weapons wildly before himself. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"[[mutant head]]" could be deployed over his robot head.

:Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. The missiles for the Takara version are thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:Just like Optimus Primal's basic bat toy, this figure was released during the short-lived period when the Beast Wars was still considered to be an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and Optimus Primal was the same character as Optimus Prime. This was soon relegated to the realms of [[micro-continuity]] when the ''Beast Wars'' animated series began and clearly established that the two Optimuses were different characters, but the toy remains one that was officially branded as Prime, and is consequently listed here.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Optimus Primal and [[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha Series]] DX Convoy, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''Tele-V Magazine'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''Tele-V'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), and blue-fur (a ''Comics Bom Bom'' design-contest prize, only five awarded).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on ape Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

[[File:BW-toy OptimusPrimalCDROM.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Freedom is the right of all superstitious, cowardly lots. Wait, no, that's not right...]]
*'''Amazon Showdown''' (multipack)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''VS-S1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
: Available only in a special CD-ROM two-pack with a [[Megatron (BW)/toys|purple redeco of "Megaligator"]], this version of Optimus Primal (maybe) retains its previous gimmickry. his back features a silver Maximal [[Insignia|faction symbol]] plus "C-ROM", as in "Cybertron", get it? Huh? And Megatron has the "D-ROM"? See what they did there?

: Just what character this toy represents is up for debate. The toy's [[bio]] claims he used to turn into a tractor-trailer (indicating Optimus Prime), but considering the timeframe of when they were written and the whole lack of a stance on who Primal "was" before the show and blah blah blah... it's just easier to file this under the same iffiness as the original toy bios set on modern [[Earth]] and leave it at that.

: This mold was also used to make [[Onyx Primal]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/ConvoyBat/convoybat.htm More information on CD-ROM Convobat at TFU.info]''

==Machine Wars==
[[File:MachineWarsPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Minus mouthplate]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Ultra, 1997)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, 2 missiles

: Available only at [[KB Toys]], ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' Optimus Prime is a redeco and slight retool of the European Generation 1 exclusive [[Turbomaster]] leader [[Thunder Clash]], transforming into a Cybertronic truck cab. It's easy to see why Thunder Clash was chosen to become the new Optimus Prime, given his adherence to Prime tradition: the cab disconnects to become the robot, while the trailer unfolds to become an assault tower with twin missile launchers. On the original Thunder Clash version of the mold, the launchers operated on a gravity-feed system that saw a new missile drop into the launcher from above each time one was fired, allowing for twelve to be fired in rapid succession, but for ''Machine Wars'' Prime, this feature had to be dialed back [[for safety reasons]]. The missiles had to be lengthened to prevent choking hazards, and so the toy's launchers were modified to accommodate them, becoming straightforward spring-loaded single-firing weapons.

: This version of the mold was planned to be [[redeco]]ed into [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] for the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' line, but the release was canceled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Machine Wars'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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==Choro-Q Robo==
[[File:ChoroQOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]

* '''Convoy TV Version''' (2001)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''Q/01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:''[[Choro-Q|Choro-Q Robo]]'' Convoy is a small, cutesified transforming figure of Optimus Prime that changes from trailer-pulling truck directly to [[robot mode]]. The toy features a working pull-back motor, and is decorated in a color scheme based on Prime's appearance in the original Generation 1 cartoon, with blue eyes and windows and a grey stripe on the trailer.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Cybertron/ChoroQConvoyTV/convoy.htm Move information on Convoy TV Version at TFU.info]''

* '''Convoy Metallic Version''' (2001)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''Q/02'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:This version of ''Choro-Q Robo'' Convoy is a redeco of the first, featuring glittering metallic plastic, and a deco based upon the original toy, with yellow eyes, black windows and a silver-and-blue stripe on the trailer.
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==Commemorative Series==
[[File:Commemorative series optimus prime modifications.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The snip that launched a thousand snits.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2002/2012)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:The first reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy in North America since the Generation 1 toyline reached its end, this "[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]" edition of the figure was a Toys R Us exclusive. It was ''mostly'' identical to the original figure, save for some necessary modifications made [[for safety reasons]]: In the first instance of what would become a recognizable alteration to the mold, the toy's smokestacks were shortened, while the Combat Deck's firing missiles were elongated to prevent potential choking, as was the case with all other Commemorative Series figures' firing missiles. This release also had the trailer's launching feature removed.

:The 2012 version is a repackaging of the 2008 Universe reissue (without the bonuses).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Commemorative Series Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:GodGinrai toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The real one has a longer missile]]
*'''Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor''' (2003)
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head, missile launcher, 2 missiles, [[Apex Bomber]] chest/trailer top, 2 legs (left & right), 2 arms (left and right), Armor chest/trailer front, 2 wings (left & right)

:Marketed as a reissue of Powermaster Optimus Prime, this Toys R Us-exclusive Commemorative Series figure is in truth based on the Ginrai tooling on the toy that had previously been exclusive to Japan. It features a die-cast metal cab with translucent blue windows, and shortened, chrome smokestacks, and comes packaged with the drone [[Apex Bomber]] (formerly Ginrai's partner [[Godbomber]]), who splits into several components and combines with Prime to form "Apex Armor". As with all other Commemorative Series figures, Prime's new spring-loaded missile launcher featured an elongated missile.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/ApexPrime/apexprime.htm More information on Powermaster Prime with Apex Armor at TFU.info]''
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==Transformers Collection==
[[File:Tf collection 0 convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Convoy''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''0'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, [[energon-axe]]

:As yet another in an increasingly large number of reissues of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this entry in the Japanese-exclusive ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' line of reissues added a few extra goodies to spice things up. Chiefly, the figure was armed with a new [[energon-axe]], based on the weapon used by Prime in the Generation 1 cartoon episode, "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]", which plugs into either of the headlight-holes that normally accommodate Prime's fists. Additionally, Prime came packaged with a ring binder folder designed to hold the pull-out character file sheets that were included with all the other ''Transformers Collection'' reissues. Notably, this figure reinstated the original, thick version of Prime's rifle as the standard for all future Japanese reissues.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Transformers Collection Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Tfcollection prime fist.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Starscream''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''9'''

:This redeco of the original Generation 1 [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] [[Starscream (G1)/toys|toy]] came packaged with a remolded right fist for Optimus Prime. This fist featured additional pegs that allowed it to hold [[Megatron (G1)/toys#TFCStarscream|the pistol mode Megatron accessory]] which was also included with Starscream.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Destron/AnimeStarscream/starscream.htm More information on Transformers Collection Starscream at TFU.info]''
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==Smallest Transforming Transformers==
[[File:WSTF Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You didn't find my trailer, did you? Haw haw.]]
* '''Convoy''' (2003)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''GTF 01A'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster

:Standing only two-and-a-quarter inches tall, ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime is the smallest fully transforming G1 Optimus toy. He features an accurate transformation sequence based on the original full-sized toy, and he even comes with a tiny version of his laser rifle, but understandably has no detachable hands, and has little articulation. His trailer and Roller were also available as a separate set in the same wave, as a rare [[shortpacking|shortpacked]] figure with the ID number "GTF-01B".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Cybertron/SmallestPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Convoy at TFU.info]''
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* '''Convoy (Anime Version)''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''GTF 06'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster

:''Smallest Transforming'' Prime was redecoed the following year for the second wave of the line, into a color scheme based on his Generation 1 cartoon appearance featuring brighter reds and blues, white thighs, yellow details on his bumper, and blue eyes and windows. This version of the figure was made available for a second time in the next wave ("Wave 2.5"), with a new anime-decorated version of the Combat Deck now available as a rare "chase" figure.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestAnimePrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Convoy (Anime Version) at TFU.info]''
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* '''Convoy (White)''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''GTF X-4'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster

:Another version of Prime was also available in the second wave of the ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' series as a chase figure. This almost entirely white version of the figure is clearly based on the version of the original Prime cab robot used in the Generation 1 Ultra Magnus figure, but was nonetheless sold as Optimus Prime for the ''Smallest'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestConvoyWhiteMode/convoy.htm More information on Convoy (White) at TFU.info]''
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* '''Convoy vs Megatron''' (multipack, 2004)
** ''Japanese ID Number:'' '''VSX'''
** ''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster

:Available exclusively through [[Dengeki Hobby]] magazine, this ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' two-pack contains both Optimus Prime and Megatron, in homage to the original 1984 "VSX" giftset containing the original versions of the two leaders.
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==Mini Toy Shop Collection==
[[File:G1toy mini toy shop convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Convoy''' (2004)
** ''Japanese ID Number:'' '''01'''
:At about 2/3 the size of the ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'', this diminutive version of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy is the smallest figure of the Autobot leader made to date. It was sold as part of Takara's blindpacked ''[[Mini Toy Shop Collection]]'' line, a series of miniaturized figures from numerous classic Takara toylines, including ''Transformers'', ''[[Microman]]'', ''[[Licca Kayama|Licca-chan]]'', ''[[Choro-Q]]'' and others. Both of Prime's modes are represented by non-transforming individual figures, which come together in a two-pack. In-box, his truck form is even packed in a miniature recreation of his original Japanese packaging, which also includes a shrunken version of his sticker sheet. A tiny version of the original Takara Transformers catalog completes the set.
::*''[http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=3541&mode=flat More information on Mini Collection Convoy at tformers.com]'' {{-}}
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==20th Anniversary/Masterpiece==
[[File:20thAnniversary OptimusPrimesm.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|And the fandom rejoiced.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (2003/2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer (Japanese release only)

: As the name suggests, this impressive incarnation of Optimus Prime was produced in celebration of the 20th anniversary of the ''Transformers'' brand. So successful was the figure that ''ToyFare'' magazine ultimately ranked it #1 in their quest for "Best Toy Ever".<ref>[http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/toyfare/000054376.cfm ToyFare Magazine Best Toys Ever]</ref>

:Created with the specific purpose of producing an Optimus Prime as accurate to the original animated series as possible, the toy is exceptionally poseable, partially constructed from die-cast metal, features rubber tires and vacuum-metalized plastic and is heavily detailed, with sliding pistons in its joints and working spring-loaded suspension in vehicle mode. The figure also contains multiple non-intrusive gimmicks, such as a moving [[mouthplate]] to emulate Prime's traditional method of speech, flip-up communications panels on the forearms depicting images of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], and an opening, light-up Matrix chamber in the chest, which contains a removable vacuum-metalized Matrix of Leadership that can also be pulled open.

:Optimus Prime comes with many accessories in addition to the aforementioned Matrix, including the character's traditional laser rifle, now termed (and henceforth known as) an [[ion blaster]]. The initial release of the figure cast the ion blaster in grey plastic, but later assortments recast it in its more familiar black coloration. Other accessories include a transparent orange energon-axe that plugs into either wrist when Prime's fist is retracted, and even a non-transforming gun mode Megatron weapon, with removable stock, silencer and scope accessories, in homage to [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)|several]] [[The Insecticon Syndrome|instances]] in the Generation 1 cartoon when Prime was forced to wield his enemy. Pack-in bonuses that came with the figure included an inner cardboard tray illustrated to resemble the interior of Prime's Combat Deck, and in later releases, a small poster drawn by [[Pat Lee]].

:Takara's version of the figure was released in their markets slightly earlier, as the first of what would come to be several installments in their ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' line. In addition to coming with a cardboard trailer that the buyer could assemble to "complete" Prime's truck mode, Takara's release differed from Hasbro's by featuring longer smokestacks (kept short on the Hasbro version [[for safety reasons]], but incorrectly shown to be long in the stock photography shown at right), and lacking the black scorch-marked "battle damage" paint applications Hasbro included on the figure's shoulders, wrists and abdomen.

:This sculpt was redecoed by Takara into a golden Lucky Draw figure and later released in its original coloration with a trailer as a "Perfect Edition" (see below for both), while Hasbro would later redeco it into their ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]''-branded "[[#Classics|DVD Edition]]". The mold was also used to make ''Masterpiece'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] and "[[Eldedroid|Convoy Black Version]]", representing one of many drones built in Prime's image, rather than Prime himself.

:In ''[[Transformers History Collection]]'', a [[Blindpacking|blind-packed]] Transformers trading figure line, Takara released an add-on hand for ''Masterpiece'' Convoy as a [[Chase figure]]. The hand holds a [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] figure and clips on to the end of Optimus Prime's arm, making the arm slightly longer than normal.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/20thPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Gold masterpiece prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|We salute the brave soul who transformed this thing in order to photograph it.]]
* '''Convoy''' (Lucky Draw figure, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer

:Offered as part of a Lucky Draw campaign in August 2004, this extremely rare version of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy is almost entirely vacuum-metalized gold, lacking any other painted detail or stickers. The parts which are not viable are molded in a flat golden plastic; the only exceptions are its rubber tires, the core of the Matrix and the energon-axe, which remain black, blue and orange, respectively. Whether or not the figure was intended to evoke Optimus Prime's [[:File:Goldenlagoon prime perceptor.jpg|entirely-golden appearance]] in the cartoon episode "[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]", when he was coated with [[electrum]], is unknown; given that entirely chroming a figure gold is a fairly standard deco for Lucky Draw figures, it may just be happy coincidence more than anything else.

:The figure comes packaged in the standard ''Masterpiece'' Convoy box, with the only telltale sign of its fabled contents being the replacement of the traditionally silver foil lettering on the box with gold. It's not clear how many were made, but it is thought to be no more than 10 or 20.

::*''[http://www.goldoptimusprime.com/ More information on gold ''Masterpiece'' Convoy at GoldOptimusPrime.com]''

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[[File:MP04Convoy2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You just paid $170 for a big box on wheels.]]
* '''Convoy Perfect Edition''' (2006, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-4'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, ion Blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer

: For this re-release of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy, Takara submitted to the biggest desire fans had for the figure and produced a full-size, fully transforming plastic and die-cast metal trailer. The trailer opens up into Convoy's Combat Deck, with storage for its accessories and a functional repair drone, though Roller is conspicuous by its absence. Like the original Combat Deck, the drone can extend through holes in the roof and front of the closed trailer, and the interior has enough room to accommodate one ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' figure in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. Some reports suggest that the paint on this figure's chest chips more easily than past editions.

: This version of Convoy, and Hasbro's 20th Anniversary DVD version of the toy depicts [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] on its communicators rather than Bumblebee and Starscream.

: Continuating the trend begun by their previous release of ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus in 2005, Hasbro [[Australia]] released Convoy Perfect Edition as a Target Australia [[exclusive]] in 2008. Takara themselves then made the figure available for a second time in October 2009.

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[[File:MP4Sconvoysleepmode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Remember that scene from the movie that made you cry and traumatised you as a kid? Well now you can display me doing just that!]]
* '''Convoy Sleep Mode''' (2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-4S'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, ion Blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe

: Released by TakaraTomy as part of a 2010 promotion honoring the "future era" of the original cartoon (which was set in 2010 in Japanese continuity, you see!), this exceptionally morbid re-release of the ''Masterpiece'' Convoy figure recolors the Autobot leader in blacks and greys, representing ''his dead body'' from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''—but don't worry, kids, it's actually a "sleep mode", according to the figure's name! Limited to 2010 pieces in Japan (see what they did there?), it comes with all its customary accessories, including the Perfect Edition trailer, redecoed where appropriate: the trailer itself has become translucent, its energon-axe is now transparent grey, and Megatron, in another movie homage, is rendered in translucent purple, evoking the scene depicting his transformation into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. The figure was also released in other parts of Asia as a limited edition of 2010 as well, combined with the Japanese edition for 4020 total. The Japanese version denotes "Serial Number in Japan: ####/2010" on its bio card with the number out of 2010, while the Asian version denotes "C1 - ####/2010" with the number out of 2010 on its bio card.

: This version of Convoy depicts [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] on its communicators.

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[[File:MPtoy last shot convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Well, it had to end ''some'' day...]]
* '''Convoy Last Production''' (2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-1L'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, sound stage

:"Convoy Last Production" was the final re-use of the ''Masterpiece'' toy mold before it was at last retired after numerous re-releases and redecos. The figure is essentially identical to the original Japanese MP-1 release, aside from a slightly brighter red, and the addition of the words "LAST SHOT" in Transformers typeface molded into the small of Convoy's back, hidden beneath its headlight-flaps in [[robot mode]]. Lacking the trailer of MP-4, the figure instead comes with a redecoed version of the electronic base included with Hasbro's "[[#20thDVD|DVD Edition]]" of the figure from five years prior, which now features a collection of sixteen soundbytes of Convoy delivering famous lines from the Japanese version of the Generation 1 cartoon, recited by the character's original Japanese voice actor [[Tesshō Genda]]. The base was promoted as containing a hint as to the identity of the next ''Masterpiece'' toy; as it would turn out, this was a new version of Convoy himself (see below), foreshadowed by a sound clip on the base which played only intermittently, and which had Convoy announce that he would "soon be reborn".

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[[File:MP-10 toy photo.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Here we go again...]]
* '''Convoy''' (2011)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#mp10|Ion blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mp10|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#mp10|energon-axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#mp10|trailer/Combat Deck]], [[Roller (G1)#Masterpiece|Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Masterpiece|Spike Witwicky figurine]]
:MP-10 Convoy is an entirely new tooling of Generation 1 Optimus Prime. Convoy is now smaller, making him more in-scale with other recent ''Masterpiece'' toys, such as [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Rodimus]], and comes with a trailer and various accessories. While the front of the vehicle mode's cab is an accurate depiction of a mid-to-late-1980s Freightliner FLT cabover, the back half, (which is, as usual, made out of Convoy's legs) is much larger and robot-leggier in proportion. (So much that they sculpt a ladder on each side.)

:Many of the small features and electronics of the original ''Masterpiece'' mold are left out. Instead, this Convoy features better overall cartoon accuracy (chest interior, head, etc.), an extensive red paint job that covers much of his red plastic, corrected robot mode proportions, improved articulation, and its gun can now collapse and store inside a compartment on its back in either mode. In addition to Convoy's trailer, which can transform into Combat Deck, it also comes with Roller, a small Spike Witwicky figurine, a die-cast metal Matrix of Leadership (with a clear blue plastic center), and an energy axe that slips over Convoy's right hand. Spike can fit inside the cab in vehicle mode, ride in Roller's seat, or fit into any of the seating compartments inside Convoy's trailer. Roller has options to plug in Convoy's gun or pull Convoy's trailer, and the trailer itself can store Convoy's weapons in any mode.

:This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-10B Black Convoy]].

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[[File:Bape-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb]]
* '''Convoy (BAPE ver.)''' ([[August 19|7-19]]-2014)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-10A'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#mpbape|Ion Blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mpbape|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#mpbape|Energon axe]]

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[[File:Eva-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Unlike Shinji, this guy won't go strangling his girlfriend or dating his mother's clone, if he even has a mother...]]
* '''Convoy Mode "Eva"''' ([[November 28|11-28]]-2014)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#eva|Ion Blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#eva|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#eva|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#eva|trailer/Battle Station]], [[Roller (G1)#eva|Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#eva|Spike Witwicky figurine]]

:Limited to 1,000 pieces, this figure was released as part of the ''[[Transformers X Evangelion]]'' crossover. It uses the MP-10 mold with all the same accessories, decoed in the green and purple color scheme of [[Eva-01]]. The trailer, Roller and Spike figure are done up in [[NERV]]-themed colors.

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==Robotmasters==
[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My vehicle mode is dangerous and unroadworthy!]]
* '''G1 Convoy''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

: ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' "G1 Convoy" (as he is amusingly referred to even in fiction) visibly takes its cue from ''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime, featuring a similar sculpt, but sharing few to none of the larger toy's other attributes, least of all anything that could be described as a successful transformation.

:G1 Convoy comes with two sets of fists, each pair featuring differently-shaped fist holes: one pair with square holes to hold the figure's "Convoy Gun" (as his ion blaster is called), and the other with round holes to hold the spring-loaded translucent blue missile launcher (a generic accessory also available with ''Robotmasters'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Beast Megatron]] and [[Optimus Primal/toys|Beast Convoy]]). The fists are swapped out by simply popping them out of the wrist-hinge that holds them in place; the figure also includes an energon-axe that can be inserted into the wrist instead of a fist.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Convoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RM DVDConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm shiny!]]
* '''G1 Convoy + DVD''' (2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-10'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

: This special edition release of G1 Convoy is decked out in metallic paint, with an extra Autobot insignia tampographed onto his right shoulder, and a black Convoy Gun. The figure comes packed with a DVD containing the first episode of the ''Robotmasters'' cartoon, "[[Fight! The Group of the Strongest Commanders!]]".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/DVDConvoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy + DVD at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Rmblackconvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm blacky!]]
* '''G1 Convoy Limited Black Version''' (2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right), Calamity Defenser

: Available only via mail-order through ''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine, the "Limited Black Version" of G1 Convoy is just that: a straight [[black repaint]] of the G1 Convoy toy. He comes with all his original accessories, appropriately redecoed (including a silver version of his axe), as well as a gold-chromed version of the "Calamity Defenser" [[Solitarium]] weapon that came with [[Psycho-Orb]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/HHG1Convoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy Limited Black Version at TFU.info]''
{{-}}[[File:Crayola convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The third one is totally ''Shattered Glass'' Prime!]]
* '''G1 Convoy''' (Lucky Draw figure, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

:When ''Robotmasters'' G1 Convoy was turned into a Lucky Draw figure, the color scheme into which he was redecoed was chosen through a children's coloring contest held in the pages of the December 2004 issue of ''[[TV Magazine]]''. The winning entry was a... ''startling'' mixture of blue, orange and two shades of green, earning the toy the [[fandom|fan]]-appointed nickname of "Crayola Convoy". As with all Lucky Draws, it is extremely rare, with only ten units produced.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/transformers+robot+masters+-+lucky+draw+custom+colour+g1+convoy/1594/transformers+robot+masters+-+lucky+draw+custom+colour+g1+convoy.html More information on "Crayola Convoy" at LuckyDrawTransformers.com]''
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==Universe (2003)==
[[File:SpychangerG1Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Why won't they repaint my full-size toy in these colours?!?]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Spy Changer, 2004)

: ''Universe'' Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]]'s [[Spy Changer]] toy. He replaces most of the black plastic with predominantly red and blue, with silver for detailing, with an overall deco making him resemble the original Optimus Prime. Like most Spychangers, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly.

: Originally a KB Toys exclusive, the first release of this toy (and the others in the assortment) did not have any sub-line designation at all, but later releases for other chains, most notably "budget" chains like Family Dollar, marked them as ''Universe'' product.

:This mold would later be redecoed into [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Optimus Prime Figure|a Spy Changer version of]] the live-action movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/SpyPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Universe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==Collector's Edition==
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[[File:OrionPaxDion toys.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Welcome to The Past!"]]
* '''Orion Pax''' (2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''67'''
**''accessories:'' Barrelroller partner, laser rifle

: This [[Collector's Edition]] Japanese [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive was a redeco of [[Targetmaster]] [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], released in conjunction with the 2006 reissue of Kup and designed to represent the character [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Orion Pax]] from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 television series]] episode "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]". Orion transforms into a Cybertronic pickup truck and came with both a gun and [[Roller (G1)|Barrelroller]], a redeco of [[Recoil]]. He has full shoulder rotation, though the way his elbows are set up means he cannot make full use of their joints. His legs feature no articulation whatsoever.

: Just as the reissued Kup came with a reissue of [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]], this set also included a redeco of Wheelie as Orion's best friend, [[Dion]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/OrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on Orion Pax at TFU.info]''
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==Hybrid Style==
*'''Convoy''' (2006)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02'''[[File:THS02Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Expensive and tiny.]]
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, [[jet pack|rocket pack]], 8 fists (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand

: ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime is an ''insanely'' detailed and complex transforming toy, created under the supervision of famed mecha designer [[Shōji Kawamori]]. Standing only three and three-quarter inches tall in robot mode, the figure is partially constructed from die-cast metal and features one of the most complex transformation sequences ever seen on a ''Transformers'' figure of its size. Alas, the small size of the figure also works against it, as it required several design concessions that resulted in (if we're being nice about it) an unimpressive cab mode.

:Prime is loaded with a ridiculous number of features and accessories. The robot itself is highly poseable, and both the smokestacks on Prime's shoulders and the fuel tanks on his legs can be rotated forward to act as guns, even featuring sculpted detail to this effect. As ever, he comes with a trailer that opens up into his crazy-detailed Combat Deck, featuring more action features than ever before. In trailer mode alone, it features a flip-down support stand so it can stand alone, a spring-loaded pop-out ramp instead of a fold-down one, and when the trailer is split for transformation, the traditional support legs underneath automatically swing out into place. The trailer houses most of Prime's accessories, including his ion blaster (with a moveable ammo clip to allow for multiple poses) and energon-axe, as well as his classic gas pump accessory, now with a poseable wire instead of a rubber hose. Two fold-out compartments provide storage space for six of Prime's interchangeable fists, while the other two remain attached the robot: two clenched, two open, a pointing right fist, a tilted left fist (for holding the ion blaster's ammo clip), and two fists with slots to grip the miniscule Matrix of Leadership that fits in a tiny chamber in Prime's chest. The Combat Deck's artillery robot features two flip-out handles that Prime can grip as if aiming the drone's guns, and Roller is also included, with three different 3mm ports to hold Prime's gun and gas pump. Lastly, Prime comes with a rocket pack like those used by the Autobots in such Generation 1 cartoon episodes as "[[Dinobot Island, Part 1|Dinobot Island]]", and a stand shaped like the Autobot insignia that allows him to be displayed in mid-air, as if in flight. The rocket pack also has 3mm ports for Prime's weapons, and stores on the front of the trailer in vehicle mode.

:Purchase of a ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime at a Japanese [[Toys"R"Us]] store allowed the buyer the option of also purchasing the exclusive ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Hot Rod]] toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Cybertron/HybridConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Hybrid Style Convoy on TFU.info]''
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*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2006)[[File:THS-02B G2Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yanigerlicious!]]
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02B'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, rocket pack, 8 fists (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand, 2 missile launchers, 2 heads

:Available exclusively through e-Hobby, this black and teal repaint of ''Hybrid Style'' Convoy features the traditional "[[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]]" color scheme, but represents a version of Optimus Prime himself. In addition to all the original accessories, the toys also includes several more deliciously metatextual goodies, themed around the ''Generation 2'' toy and comics: two new large guns patterned after the new weapons wielded by the ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime toy, and two additional (blue) Prime heads that can be swapped with the figure's regular noggin, sculpted explicitly in the style of [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] artist [[Derek Yaniger]]. One head is pristine, the other decorated to match the battle damage seen on the cover of the [[War Without End!|first ''Generation 2'' issue]].

:As the more franchise-savvy TransFans may realise, these extra parts, plus the black trailer of Convoy Black Version, can all be used to modify the original, red ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime into a comic-accurate ''Generation 2'' version, complete with a black trailer, trailer-mounted guns and your choice of Yaniger-style heads.

:This figure came in a unique box, packaged with a [[Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version|mini-comic]], both illustrated by [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]].
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==Alternators/Binaltech==
[[File:Alternators OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I don't come with a creepy girl...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2006)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''21'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun
: ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' Optimus Prime transforms into an accurate 1:24 scale Dodge Ram SRT-10. The vehicle mode features rubber tires, functional steering, opening hood, tail gate and doors with a detailed cabin interior. Several of the details of his [[robot mode]] body are based on the sculpt of the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime figure, but the head itself shares more similarities with the Powermaster mold. He is armed with a small pistol which transforms into his vehicle mode engine.

[[File:Convoy BT.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|...and neither do I...]]
:This figure was originally conceived by Hasbro to be another character (exactly who is unknown), rather than Optimus Prime, but Takara insisted that the toy be made into Optimus to help it sell well in their markets, as the vehicle mode was no particular draw, given its scarcity in Japan. Reportedly, the figure cost twice as much as other Alternators to construct, so Hasbro had to bow to this demand so Takara would help fund it. Ironically, Takara eventually wound up soliciting the figure ''not'' as Prime, but as his ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' lookalike, [[Ginrai]] (perhaps connected to the Powermasteresque headsculpt), before its Japanese release was cancelled and moved over into the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' toyline (see below).

: It took two further years, but this figure was eventually released as part of the Japanese counterpart to the ''Alternators'' line (''Binaltech'') in 2008. ''Binaltech'' Convoy features some additional paint details, like his silver pelvis, additional patterns on his shoulders, and red paint on his engine-gun, and like all ''Binaltech'' figures, he also includes die-cast metal pieces. Unlike previous Binaltech releases, a bio-card was not included.

:This sculpt was also used to create ''Alternators'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]]

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/AltOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Alternators/Binaltech Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==Kiss Players==
[[File:Kiss Convoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|...And yet, I do!]]
* '''Convoy X Melissa''' (2006)
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun, "[[Surfblade]]" surfboard/sword weapon, [[Marissa Faireborn]] figurine with stand and 2 pairs of arms and legs

: ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' Convoy is a redeco of ''Alternators'' Optimus Prime. While the figures may appear similar at first glance, given that ''Kiss Players'' Prime is still red, blue and black, there are many subtle differences, not least of all the replacement of the ''Alternators'' figure's bare, flat red plastic with a deep metallic red paint. Several of his body parts are cast in different colors of plastic (for example, his shins, formerly black, are now blue, while his formerly-blue hands are now black), and he features more intricate paint applications on his shoulders, and especially his pelvis, which is decorated to look like Prime's traditional bumper.

:In addition to the small engine-pistol of his ''Alternators'' figure, Prime comes with the "Surfblade", a pink surfboard that can be reconfigured into either two small knives or a large double-bladed sword. As with all the ''Kiss Players'' figures, Prime also comes with a [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of a cute girl: in this case, Marissa Faireborn, who can perch upon his shoulder or sit in his driver's seat, and comes with two pairs of interchangeable arms and legs. Additionally, the set includes a CD featuring the first five episodes of the [[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|''Kiss Players'' radio drama]], as well as the exclusive bonus audio adventure, "[[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)#CD collections and special episodes|Someday, Under the Sun]]."

:This set was originally intended to be released under the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' line, as "Black Convoy meets Marissa", but this release was cancelled before it was officially even announced.

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==Titanium Series==
[[File:TitaniumHeroes WWPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Well he ''is'' a car... in a car ''crash''.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, display stand

: Based on Optimus Prime's [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] form as seen in the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comic book "[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]", this version of Prime transforms into Cybertronian truck. The figure was personally designed by comic artist [[Don Figueroa]], who created the original comic design in the first place, and his signature is left on the figure in the most literal way: the word "DON" can be seen sculpted into the barrel of his silver ion blaster.

:As a ''Titanium'' figure, Prime is made in large part from die-cast metal, but like so many of the other toys in the ''Titanium'' line, his plastic joints have trouble supporting his heavy metal weight. He comes with the generic display stand shared by all of the 6" "Cybertron Heroes", with a unique removable nameplate.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/TitTWW6OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Titanium Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
{{-}}[[File:Titanium war within 2pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now we just need a [[Sherman Dam|dam]]....]]
* '''War Within Optimus Prime vs. War Within Megatron''' (two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:This [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] ''Titanium'' two-pack includes the previously-released ''War Within'' Optimus Prime figure along with the ''War Within'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Megatron]] Megatron figure and an exclusive [[variant]] cover of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' [[The War Within issue 5|issue 5]].

:As the mass retail release of the last waves of the ''Titanium'' "Cybertron Heroes" figures was delayed for several months, the two-pack version of Megatron was at least initially more widely available than the individually packaged one.

:Despite being mentioned in the joint [[instructions]] leaflet for the set, neither figure includes their display base.

:There appears to be a variant of this two-pack: One version has the Optimus Prime figure more or less identical to its individual release, whereas the other one drops the additional black paint weathering, making him much cleaner-looking.

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==Classics (2006)==
[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Rub my symbol, Marissa. Oops, wrong toyline.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/laser cannon, wind vane/ion blaster

: ''Classics'' Optimus Prime is an all-new modern Optimus Prime design based upon the original Optimus Prime, as is the intention for the ''Classics'' toyline. He transforms into a modern cab-over style truck of made up model, dominated by a large wind vane on his roof. As with most ''Classics'' toys, he features a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]].

:In [[robot mode]], his wind vane transforms into a large ion blaster, and his smokestacks transform into a smaller laser cannon. Additionally, both weapons can combine together to form a double-barrelled over-shoulder weapon.

:Unfortunately, the yellow paint on his forearms tends to flake off.

:This mold was redecoed into ''Classics'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|Ultra Magnus]] and ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#United|Ultra Magnus]], ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]/[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Optimus Prime (SG)#Timelines|Optimus Prime]], ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Universe (2008)|Nemesis Prime]], ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Cloud)|Optimus Prime]], and [[BotCon 2014]] [[Ginrai]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Classics Voyager Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:ClassicsPrime Vs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|They did me right, [[#20th_Anniversary.2FMasterpiece|once]].]]
* '''The Ultimate Battle''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

: This ''Classics'' Optimus Prime is a smaller, Deluxe Class figure with a noticeable physical resemblance to Takara's ''[[#Robotmasters|Robotmasters]]'' Prime figure, and a transformation that is about as successful. The figure is armed with a tommy gun-shaped laser rifle that transforms into a turret-like configuration and mounts on the rear of his truck mode, and features a spinning "power punch" action that sees the whole upper half of his torso spin when a button on his back is pressed. Pressing the button "unlocks" the spinning mechanism; pull ''hard'' on the button, and you can lock the torso back into place.

:In the United States, Prime was only available in a special two-pack with a similarly unique ''Classics'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron toy]], and the specially-produced "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle|The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD (which is, inappropriately enough, entirely about the [[Unicron Trilogy]]). The two-pack (including the DVD) was also available as a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] "Bonus Value" version with two randomly selected members of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]], in the combinations [[Overcast (Cybertron)|Overcast]]/[[Longarm (Cybertron)|Longarm]], Overcast/[[Deepdive]] and Deepdive/Longarm. International markets, including European countries, saw the two-pack in a considerably smaller, differently-shaped box that was lacking the DVD case (the DVD was instead made available separately). In addition, Mexico, Singapore and some European countries such as the Netherlands and Hungary also received the two figures on individual cardbacks. For the United States market, the two-pack was [[rebranding|rebranded]] and re-released in [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|2003 ''Universe'']]-branded packaging later in 2007, available from Dollar General, Big Lots and [[KB Toys]], and ''again'' in [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']]-branded packaging in 2011, this time available from Dollar General and Big Bad Toy Store.

:This figure was later ''also'' made available without redeco as part of the "Leader for the Ages" two-pack released under the [[#Transformers (2007)|live-action movie line]] (see below) and saw several redecos for [[#Universe (2008)|''Universe'']] ("Special Edition", below), ''Welcome to Transformers 2010'' ("Sons of Cybertron", above) and [[#United|United]] (below).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsDVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Classics Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:DVD 20thPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Discounted at a Walmart near you.]]
* '''Optimus Prime''' (20th Anniversary DVD Edition, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leader, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, display stand

: Produced to coincide with the 20th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and its release on DVD by [[Sony]], this edition of Prime is a redeco of his [[#20th Anniversary|20th Anniversary]] figure. It replaces the original's metallic paint with flatter colors and does away with any and all vacuum-metalized plastic, as well as altering several other small details across the body, like the color of the lights on his feet and chest.

:Prime comes with all the accessories of his previous release, although his ever-changing ion blaster is now somewhat confusingly cast in blue plastic. He features one major additional accessory: an electronic display base sculpted with the image of the Matrix and the Autobot insignia. Pressing the insignia's crest triggers a series of electronic soundbytes, mostly quotes from the movie recited not by original actor [[Peter Cullen]], but by Hasbro's in-house actor, [[Ron Hayden]]: "Autobots, transform and roll out!", "I want you to make a special run to Autobot City," "Megatron must be stopped!", "All we need is a little energon, and a lot of luck," and two samples of the classic [[Transformation#The noise|transformation sound effect]], one ascending, one descending.

:The display stand itself was later redecoed as a mail-in prize for TakaraTomy's ''Transformers 2010'' promotion, intended to be used with ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus Convoy]], and again when it was packaged with the "Last Production" run of the Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/20thDVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on DVD Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:PepsiOptimusPrime.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|Subservience to Corporate America is the duty of all servile beings.]]
*'''Pepsi Optimus Prime''' (Autobot, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, ion blaster, trailer

:Inspired by the [[#Generation 1|1985 promotional version]] of Optimus Prime that featured Pepsi stickers on his trailer, this outlandish incarnation of Prime is a slightly altered version of Takara's 2005 [[Pepsi Convoy]] figure (which represented a different character to Prime). The figure was only sold by [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] at various conventions, and given away as a promotional prize by Pepsi, via their [[Mountain Dew]] brand.

:A redeco of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime cab robot sporting an egregious number of Pepsi-themed paint masks and details, Pepsi Prime's differences from Pepsi Convoy are minimal: he features the shortened smokestacks previously seen on the [[#Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] release of the mold, the blue pattern on his decals are different (matching the American Pepsi can/bottle look at the time rather than the one used in Japan), and also has a different layout for the Pepsi logo on his right shoulder. Like Pepsi Convoy, he comes with an entirely new trailer unit, specially designed to carry either a single 500ml (16.9 oz) size [[soft drink]] bottle, three 350ml cans, or 12 bottle caps (bottle cap figurines being a common and popular collectible item in Japan). In a first for the Prime mold, the figure's fists store in holes on the underside of the trailer while he is in vehicle mode. His ion blaster (which also stores under the trailer) is the first Hasbro reissue to feature the original, thick-barrel sculpt, which was reinstated to the mold by the ''[[#Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' release of Prime a few years prior.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/PepsiPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Pepsi Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==Sports Label==
{{anchor|#sportlabel}}[[File:NikemusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Comfortable ''yet stylish'' jogging is the right of all fashionable beings.]]
*'''Convoy featuring Nike Free 7.0''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:Surely one of the strangest examples of licensed ''Transformers'' products, ''[[Transformers Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' Convoy transforms into a ''shoe''. Something of a [[shellformer]], this baffling incarnation of Prime is colored primarily white and red in his alt mode of a realistic-looking (if notably undersized) Nike Free 7.0 sneaker, complete with gratuitously long real fabric shoelaces. In [[robot mode]], he is made instantly recognizable by his incorporation of some additional blue and silver in predictable areas, and a traditionally Prime-styled head. Less traditionally, and somewhat perversely, Prime's feet are sculpted in the likeness of his own sneaker mode, making it seem like he's wearing himself!

:His gun splits into two halves and stores inside his [[kibble]] in shoe mode; in an undocumented features, it has two handle pegs on opposite sides, so that it can be held either at its far end or halfway along its length. The gun halves can also be plugged together in two different ways.

:This figure was, in fact, the ''only'' mold in the ''Sports Label'' line. It was redecoed into the "Marine Free" version of Prime himself (see below), and given a new head to create ''Sports Label'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Sports Label|Megatron]]''

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/SLConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Sport Label Convoy at TFU.info]''
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*'''Convoy featuring Nike Free 7.0 Marine Version'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster
:A redeco of the first ''Sports Label'' Convoy, this figure transforms into a white, navy and grey sneaker. Promotional images for the figure depicted its robot mode as white and aqua-blue, but the finished product was visibly darker, produced in shades of off-white and dark teal robot mode. In either coloration, it sure as heck ''looks'' like it should be [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], but for whatever reason... it ain't.
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==Encore==
[[File:Encore convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (2007)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:A new series of reissues means a new release of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure, and Takara's ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' series proved no different. This edition of the figure featured no extra accessories, but it did include the original, thick-barrelled version of Prime's rifle, as reinstated to the mold by the ''[[#Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' version of the toy a few years prior. Both his blue and red plastics are lighter than normal, though not to the extent of Hasbro's 25th Anniverary releases. Notably, this edition addresses the small but persistent issue of Prime's shoulder-sticker: the figure's shoulders are textured with small bumps, which had, since 1984, made evenly applying the Autobot symbol sticker to his left arm a challenge. ''Encore'' Prime finally replaces the sticker with a tampograph, and also adds one to his right shoulder for symmetry.
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==Music Label==

* '''Convoy —playing iPod speaker—''' (2007)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster
[[File:MusicLabel-toy iPodConvoy.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|You just paid 140 bucks for a new headsculpt, didn't you? I bet you don't even ''own'' an iPod...]]
: Hot on the heels of their licensing deals with Pepsi and Nike, TakaraTomy got themselves a slice of Apple™ pie and released Convoy —playing [[iPod]] speaker— as part of their small, musically-themed ''[[Transformers Music Label|Music Label]]'' line. This version of Prime is an all-white redeco of the original Generation 1 cab robot, which (much like the "Marine Version" of Prime from the ''[[#Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' line) makes it seem like he ought to be Ultra Magnus. The figure is actually even derived from the retool of the mold created for the original Ultra Magnus figure, as distinguished by the elongated hubcap pegs on the front wheels. Like Pepsi Prime before it, the figure's fists now store in peg holes on the under side of its trailer. The toy lacks any of the original Prime's stickers (even the silver stripe on his chest is now a [[paint operation]]) and includes the original thick-barrelled version of Prime's blaster. The toy features a brand new headsculpt based on the [[#20th Anniversary|20th Anniversary]] Prime figure, given additional poseability not previously seen on the figure by being mounted on a [[ball joint]].

:This, of course, is all secondary to the main draw of the figure: it pulls an all-white trailer, which transforms into a working iPod speaker dock by rotating a substantial wedge of its full length 90 degrees . The dock features three working buttons; power, volume up and volume down, as well as an Autobot sigil indicator light. Included is a wall-plugging (Japanese) A/C adaptor with a long lead that plugs into the reverse of the trailer. Although American importers shouldn't have too much trouble, those living in parts of the world using higher strength A/C current outlets should be warned NOT to simply plug the A/C adaptor in with only a socket adapter, as this will overload the device and fry it completely. Buying the appropriate kind of universal A/C adaptor with advice from an electronics specialty shop is recommended.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/MLConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Music Label Convoy at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Musiclabelprimewithdock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm gonna call you Peanut.]]
* '''Optimus Prime —speakers for iPod—''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster
:Designated "Optimus Prime" rather than the traditional Japanese "Convoy", this figure is a redeco of the previous ''Music Label'' Convoy figure into the character's traditional red, blue and silver color scheme. Unlike previous re-issues of the mold, iPod Optimus Prime's sports a paint application similar to KissPlayers Convoy, having its ABS/PVC parts painted over with a thin layer of his iconic red, white (silver if you will) and blue motif paint applications (with the exception of his iPod docking trailer). This includes his trailer, though the effect is somewhat marred by the large, visible gap on one side. When reconfigured into dock mode, the interior surfaces surrounding the speakers are decorated with black-on-silver techno-patterns as well as three "Optimus Prime" logos. The recessed space also features a stylised, almost [[Frank Miller]]esque, high-contrast portrait of Prime's face, although this is largely covered when an iPod is inserted. The figure comes in identical packaging to the original ''Music Label'' Convoy, save for the addition of a sticker illustrating the different color of its contents.
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*'''{{anchor|EXILE}}EXILE x TRANSFORMERS —speakers for iPod—''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

:Exclusive to [http://www.ldhshop.jp/ LDH Shop], this redeco of the ''Music Label'' Convoy toy is utterly ridiculous and was created as a promotion for the Japanese pop band [[wikipedia:Exile (Japanese band)|EXILE]]. While Convoy himself has EXILE written on his right forearm, his trailer sports the "Love Dream Happiness" tagline of LDH Inc.[http://www.ldh.co.jp/shopping/index.html], as well as the "EXILE Perfect Year 2008" logo of the "EXILE Perfect Year 2008 Ultimate Best Box" boxset, which was released some months after he was.

:Categorically, it was at this point we learned that neither Takara nor Optimus Prime possess shame.
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==Transformers (2007)==
[[File:Movie LeaderfortheAges 2pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The more things change, the more they, uh, get bigger guns.]]
* '''Leader for the Ages''' (Wal*Mart exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

: This Wal*Mart-[[exclusive]] two-pack pairs the deluxe-size ''[[#Classics|Classics]]'' Optimus Prime figure with [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] line's ''[[Fast Action Battlers]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Power Hook Optimus Prime]] toy. Both toys are identical to their original releases, and together represent the Optimus Primes of the oldest and newest generations (at the time) of ''Transformers'', respectively. The movie Prime is designated "2007 Optimus Prime", while the ''Classics'' figure is dubbed "1984 Optimus Prime" (referring not, of course, to the toy, which was produced in 2006, but to the character).
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==Diablock==
*'''Diablock Convoy''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01''' ('''Mecha Builder Vol.03''')[[File:DiablockPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| We have the technology. We can ''rebuild him''. Except, uh.. for his face.]]
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:Rounding out a bumper year of Japanese-[[exclusive]] Generation 1 Optimus Primes, the Takara-licensed Kawada brand ''Diablock'' Convoy is a fully transformable Lego-style block building figure similar in premise to the earlier American ''[[Built to Rule]]'' sets. The ''Diablock'' figure, however, easily outstrips the ''Built to Rule'' sets by both being an accurate representation of the toy on which it is based, and being able to transform between modes ''without'' having to be partially disassembled and put back together first.

:Forming a roughly 11-inch figure when fully assembled, ''Diablock'' Convoy is highly articulated, save for his head, which is only able to move up and down. Said head is also by far the most stylised aspect of the figure, with no real attempt to approximate Prime's face or mouthplate, instead featuring only a reversed block that gives the odd impression of a cycloptic eye. It is possibly intended to actually represent his forehead grill, as a yellow block inside his head construction remains barely-visible through a slit in his face, possibly intended to represent the classic toy's yellow eyes.

:The figure's transformation scheme is based on the original G1 figure, the only differences being that the fists are not removed but become the headlights, and instead of flipping backwards inside the chest, ''Diablock'' Convoy's noggin flips forwards with the aid of opening chest windows. A "laser rifle" in the shape of his ion cannon can be built from black bricks, and stickers bearing the Autobot [[Insignia|faction symbol]] can be placed on his shoulders, although this is not recommended as it is designed to permanently stick to multiple tiles which dislodge easily and may damage the sticker.

==Henkei! Henkei!==
[[File:Henkei convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Japanese ID Number:'' '''C-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers'' Convoy is a redeco of ''[[#Classics|Classics]]'' Optimus Prime. He features a significantly altered colour scheme, generally to make the toy more closely resemble his appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon and the original toyline. His truck mode features less silver paint striping, but compensates with a [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metalized]] grill/fender area. In [[robot mode]] all of his previously grey plastic is replaced with red plastic, with a majority of it being painted silver, chromed, or painted gunmetal gray. He features a different shade of red, blue, and clear blue plastic than the Classics version. Since ''Henkei!'' toys do not feature a heat-sensitive rubsign, ''Henkei'' Convoy has two Autobot sigils tampographed onto his shoulders.
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[[File:Henkei clear convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy Clear Version''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:This redeco of ''Henkei'' Convoy is cast almost entirely in translucent colored plastic. Also known by the nickname "Crystal Convoy" among fans, it was first released as an exclusive for the Japanese convention Tokyo Toy Fair 2008, limited to 1000 pieces at the event, but was later made available through [[e-HOBBY]]. It was sold in a monochrome-blue version of ''Henkei'' Convoy's regular packaging.

::*''[http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act491/index.php More information on Convoy Clear Version at TFkenkon.com]
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*'''Convoy''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:[[vacuum metallizing|Chromed]] entirely in gold like many other [[Lucky Draw figure]]s before it, this version of Prime was available only through a TV Magazine mail-in promotion held in December 2008, and was limited to only five units, making it one of the rarest officially available Transformers toys in the world.

:Unfortunately, this toy has become the target of several [[knockoff]]s aimed at gullible collectors. Most of the fake ones can be told apart from the real deal by various details not matching up. The real one is cast in gold plastic, painted over in gold chrome and sports small red Autobot [[insignia|logos]] on both shoulders.

::*''[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=12878&dispsize=600&start=0 Gallery of (hopefully) a genuine Gold Convoy at TFormers.com]''
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*'''Convoy''' (Voyager, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster
:A (technically) [[unreleased toy|unreleased]] [[black repaint|"black" redeco]] of ''Henkei'' Convoy using the same plastic layout and paint mask but replacing red and blue with black, silver with gray, leaving the previously vacuum-metalized grill/fender area unpainted, changing the blue tint for the windows to red and changing all silver and yellow paint operations to blue. The red Autobot insignias would have remained unchanged.<ref name="blackgentei1">[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=9553&dispsize=800&start=0 Gallery of the unreleased ''Gentei! Gentei'' black Convoy at TFormers.com.]</ref>

:The figure would have come in a monochrome version of the standard ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Convoy's packaging, still named "Convoy" but now labeled as part of the ''Gentei! Gentei'' range of exclusives.<ref name="blackgentei2">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/universe-classics-20-29/transformers-henkei-wonderfest-exclusive-black-convoy-in-box-167615/ The unreleased ''Gentei! Gentei!'' black Convoy in packaging] at TFW2005.</ref> Reportedly, this figure was intended as a Wonderfest exclusive, but was canceled because, according too [[TakaraTomy]] designer [[Shogo Hasui]], it was too similar to ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Universe (2008)|Nemesis Prime]]. [[Knockoff]]s were later made available, so buyers beware!

:A minor redeco (replacing the Autobot insignias with Decepticon insignias, adding silver paint to the grill/fender area and changing the blue paint operations to teal) [[#UnitedBlack|was eventually released]] as a [[Tokyo Toy Show 2012]] exclusive, now marketed as part of the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' line.
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==Universe (2008)==
===Generation 1 Series===
[[File:Universetoy 25th anniversary optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And the block has returned!!!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, sound effects module, comic, DVD

:Sold at the rather exorbitant price of $75, this re-release of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy is actually one of the most visually different from the other "straight" reissues of the mold, despite Hasbro's assurance that this is the toy you had as a kid. Positively ''anemic'' in comparison with the original toy, this Prime's red parts are visibly paler than usual, while his blue parts are much lighter. This shade of blue extends to both Roller (a lighter blue than his traditional dark shade, yet darker than the lightest the figure has been in its history) and the internal workings of his Combat Deck, which is itself a much flatter shade of light grey, compared to its normal dark, swirled metallic silver color. In addition, the toy features the now-customary shortened smokestacks, and the elongated missiles seen on the [[#Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] release. While all reissues of the Prime mold since 2003 have used the original thick-barreled mold for his ion blaster, this version includes the slender sculpt instead.

:As a 25th anniversary set, Prime includes several new pack-in bonuses: a reprint of the [[The Transformers (issue)|first issue]] of the original [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|comic book]], a DVD containing all three parts of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|animated series]] pilot [[More than Meets the Eye (mini-series)|"More than Meets the Eye"]], and three desktop wallpapers, and a battery-powered Autobot symbol that plays transforming sound effects, part of the first version of the ''Transformers'' [[theme song]], and three voice clips performed by Peter Cullen: "I am Optimus Prime!", "Autobot, transform and roll out!" and "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost."

:The international release was repackaged in a thinner rectangular box. It contained all the original accessories from the American release, but not the DVD. In addition, there are some reports that the Autobot symbol could be worn out or damaged during the time of purchase. In Australia, it was initially a Meijer exclusive, but later found its way to Toys R US and finally (at roughly 70% off the initial $100 price tag) K-Mart and Target.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/25thOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 25th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Uni2008-toy SEOptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class: Special Edition, 2008)
**''ID Number:'' '''SE-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:"Special Edition" Optimus Prime is a redeco of the ''Classics'' multi-pack toy, featuring some minor paint detail changes, bluer translucent plastic, darker and cooler gray plastic, and darker metallic flake red and blue plastic, with his (previously black-only) rifle body most notably now being cast in both blue ''and'' black plastic. He came in special "book box" style packaging with black-and-white boxart, and was only available at retail in Australian and Asian markets. North American customers could later buy him via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/HTSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Special Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Titanium Series===
[[File:Titanium-toy Target OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yawn.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, display stand

: A [[Target]]-exclusive [[redeco]] of War Within Optimus Prime in [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action film]]-inspired colors. The bio on the back of the packaging only fills up half of the allotted space, as if the [[Forest Lee|writer]] was tired of describing Optimus Primes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TitOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Target-exclusive Titanium Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==Alternity==
[[File:AlternityConvoy VibrantRed.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's like G2 Go-bots all over again...but cooler!]]
*'''Convoy Ultimate Silver''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' Convoy transforms into a 1:32 scale Nissan GT-R, featuring die-cast metal parts, an opening hood, trunk and doors, as well as an interior, complete with his feet and thighs being sculpted to form the back seats. This complex figure stands at 6.5" tall, and is armed with a pair of blasters on each arm. In the hyper-dimensional world of the oft-confusing ''Alternity'' fiction, this figure specifically represents the Optimus Prime of [[universal stream]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Binaltech|Primax 903.0 Beta]].

:The mold suffers from a [[Design flaw|minor design oversight]], wherein the rear Nissan badge collides with his left leg strut when the left foot is hinged over and pegged into a clear plastic socket during transformation, with the results being that the connection is slightly crooked, isn't very secure, and sometimes pops off, and that the crooked pegging often causes the socket to crack.

:''Alternity'' Convoy was simultaneously available in both this silver coloration, and a deco based on his traditional appearance termed "Vibrant Red" (see below). The figure was later redecoed to create "[[Nemesis Prime (Universe)#Alternity 2|Convoy Super Black]]" (representing not Optimus Prime, but ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]]), ''Alternity'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Alternity|Ultra Magnus]] and ''Alternity'' [[Dai Atlas (Zone)#Alternity|Dai Atlas]].

*'''Convoy Vibrant Red''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:"Vibrant Red" ''Alternity'' Convoy is a redeco of the "Ultimate Silver" figure in the much more traditional red and blue Prime color scheme, representing the Optimus Prime of universal stream [[Primax 109.0 Beta]]. The figure was available simultaneously with the Ultimate Silver version, sharing the same packaging and pack-in materials, save for the color of the illustration on the front of the box, and a sticker that identified the figure within.
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==Transformers (2010)==
[[File:TF2010 Deluxe G2OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Fandom|We]] see a red truck, and we want it [[Black repaint|painted]] [[Scourge (RID)|black]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' Sword

: Part of the sixth wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]], this Optimus Prime is an all-new Deluxe class mold based on the original ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Laser Optimus Prime toy ([[#LaserOptimusPrime|see above]]). Transforming into a racing truck, he has some influences from the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action movie Optimus Prime]], including the more defined flames on his hood, athletic [[robot mode]] proportions and a more aggressive-looking translucent orange sword that can be held with both hands for maximum extreme chopitude. Optimus Prime features extensive use of translucent plastic in his arms, head and upper torso for a [[light-piping]] effect. Optimus also has a (non-detachable) matrix gimmick in robot mode that is formed by a relief pattern on the inside of the cab's side windows and is visible through the windshield/chest in robot mode. Like the Legends toy, he's part of "[[Reveal the Shield]]" and features a [[rubsign]], this time on the roof. He is also ''very'' articulated and poseable, even featuring ankles and wrists that are both [[Ball joint|ball-joint]]ed ''and'' [[Swivel joint|hinged]].

: The original Hasbro [[stock photography|stock photos]] depict him as having red [[paint operation]]s on his kneecaps and the sunken ridges around his blue abs that the final product lacks. The photos on the cardback show him with a red Autobot symbol on his truck door and blue plastic instead of grey for the piece just in front of his rear tires. The back photo also depicts his side windows as being the same translucent orange as the front ones, when they are, in reality, a garish solid orange.

: Multiple reports suggest that the toy suffers from a [[design flaw]], inferior plastic quality, or both: Due to his hands having peg-holes that are a bit too small to accommodate 5mm posts, they have a tendency to show stress marks on the inside after pegging his sword handle (or most other pegs) inside. Stress marks also tend to appear near his tiny hinged wrists. Fortunately, there have been no reports of the hands actually ''breaking'' on either location thus far.

: This toy was redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]/[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Optimus Prime (SG)#InvasionSGPrime|Optimus Prime]] and ''Timelines'' [[Scourge (RID)#Timelines|Scourge]], and was retooled into ''Timelines/Shattered Glass'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Timelines|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RTSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|YOU'LL NEVER GUESS HIS TRUE ALLEGIANCE!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2011)

:[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime is based on his original Generation 1 appearance, with a transformation almost identical to his original toy, He features a [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|fake grill]] for his robot mode, and his large legs result in a fairly thick and compact truck bed. He is part of "[[Reveal the Shield]]", a subline that outfits all its toys with [[rubsign]]s, and in this case, it's located on the left side of the truck/his left elbow.

:This figure was redecoed and retooled into ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] and [[Transformers (2014 toyline)|''Transformers'' (2014)]] [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RTSLegOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Legends Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Transformers2010toy-HasbroMP10OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Standing tall and proud with his smokestacks erect.]]
* '''Masterpiece Optimus Prime''' (2012)
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#Transformers (2010)|Ion cannon]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mp10hasbro|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#Tranformers (2010)|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#Transformers (2010)|trailer/Battle Station/Maintenance Dock]], [[Roller (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Autobot Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Spike Witwicky figurine]]
:The Hasbro [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive release of [[#mp10|MP-10 Convoy]] features brighter blue plastic and paint, brighter unpainted non-metallic red plastic, painted yellow lights above the front truck windshields, painted light blue eyes, and lacks silver paint for the trailer's interior. Roller is now blue.

:In the Philippines, this was only available as a Toys"R"Us "Limited Edition" figure in the Trinoma mall from August 23–26, with customers having to sign up to reserve their figure. It was limited to 48 units total, and was limited to one per customer.

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2012)
:*''Accessories:'' Sword (running change variant only)
:The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] "[[Reveal the Shield]]" [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime sculpt in the deco from the first ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' EZ Collection wave (see below) was released as a "Dollar Store" exclusive (available at stores such as Dollar General and Big Lots) in generic 2010 ''Transformers'' packaging packaging alongside [[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]]. The initial release saw the copyright year removed, while a later [[variant#running changes|running change variant]] featured the new tooling originally used for ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]], with not only the retooled hands and a hole on the back of his head/top of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] compatible with [[C joint|3mm posts]], but also Motorbreath's sword accessory.

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==United==
[[File:Unitedtoy cybertron mode prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|See?! War for Cybertron ''is'' G1!]]
*'''Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode''' (Deluxe, [[December 25|12-25]]-[[2010]])
**''Japanese ID number'': '''UN-01'''
**''Accessories'': "Assault rifle"

: The first toy in TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toyline is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Generations|Optimus Prime]], transforming into a Cybertronic "armored truck". As has been TakaraTomy's wont of late, he now sports a metallic red paint job, with brighter pink paint applications and cooler grey parts, and features several additional paint details to those present on the Hasbro figure in the form of black chest windows and pink lines on his face mask. His rifle transforms as well, folding and plugging into the roof of the vehicle mode. The rifle can also peg into his forearms, and, in its compact configuration, can attach to his shoulders via peg holes on the backs of his front tires or stored behind his back in [[robot mode]].

: This mold was also used to make ''United'' [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|Darkside Optimus Prime]].

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[[File:Unitedtoy g1prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, 12-25-2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-06'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:The second Optimus Prime toy in TakaraTomy's ''United'' toyline is another redeco of the ''Classics'' multi-pack toy, this time featuring an extensive metallic paint job among other plastic color changes.

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[[File:Unitedtoy laser prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Laser Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, [[March 26|3-26]]-[[2011]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-22'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser Rod" sword

:The third ''United'' Optimus Prime toy is a redeco and slight retool of the deluxe Prime figure from Hasbro's 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline, itself an homage to Prime's ''Generation 2'' "Laser" form. The toy features translucent blue plastic as opposed to Hasbro's orange, red paint is used on the biceps instead of blue paint, extra red paint applications on the knees like the original's sticker detail, and more broken-up red apps on the shoulders. Silver detailing was added to the cab mode on the grill, the bumper, and near the doors. The blue plastic in cab mode is now black plastic to make the figure more accurate to the ''Generation 2'' original. The gray plastic is changed from the Hasbro version to more closely match the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#G2reissue|2006 Reissue of Laser Optimus Prime]]. Black paint was applied to the cab mode to mimic the fade from red to black on the original Laser Optimus, but still includes a flame deco like the Hasbro version, only in a different design. It lacks the roof-mounted rubsign of the Hasbro version, instead including Autobot insignias on the cab doors. (Disappointingly, they are Generation 1 insignias, rather than ''Generation 2'' ones!) Additionally, a retool was made to the peg on the inside of his right shoulder, to make it shorter and wider than the Hasbro version, allowing it to move freely without hitting the torso, unlike the Hasbro release.

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[[File:Unitedtoy-BlackOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Shouldn't be hard for him to fit in with the Decepticons... There's like, [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|two]] [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|other]] "evil Optimus Prime" guys in their ranks.]]
*'''Black Optimus Prime''' (Voyager, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/blaster, wind vane/cannon

:Available [[exclusive]]ly at the [[Tokyo Toy Show 2012]] (along with [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Shining|''Prime'' Shining Optimus Prime]]), Black Optimus Prime is a very minor redeco of the previously unreleased [[#GenteiBlack|''Gentei! Gentei!'']] black version of [[#Henkei! Henkei!|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Convoy]], itself a redeco of the [[#Classics (2006)|''Classic'' Voyager toy]]. As such, Black Optimus Prime is mostly cast in black plastic, with some gray parts, translucent red windows and teal paint operations.

:The only differences with the unreleased version, aside from the packaging, are that silver paint has been added to the previously unpainted grill/fender area, the blue paint operations have been changed to teal, and the red Autobot insignias have been replaced by purple Decepticon ones. Prime's [[bio]] apparently explains that he took on this new color scheme in order to infiltrate the Decepticon ranks, in response to recent attacks by some new Decepticon forces pretending to be Autobots.

::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1579.html Black Optimus Prime at Alfes's Toy Blog (part 1)]''
::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1580.html Black Optimus Prime at Alfes's Toy Blog (part 2)]''
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==Chronicle==
[[File:EZCollectionChronicleConvoyToy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, 2011)
:A ''veeery'' slight [[repaint]] of the [[#2010legend|2010 Reveal the Shield]] Legends figure, the first ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' Prime replaces that figure's rubsign with a tiny tampographed Autobot symbol on his left bicep. He was one of eight figures available in the first wave of "EZ Collection" blindpacked figures.

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[[File:Chronicle ehobby primes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Evolution takes place!!! Oh... [[Optimus Primal|wait]]...]]
*'''G1 Optimus Prime & Movie Optimus Prime''' (multi-pack, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''CH01'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster|Laser rifle]], trailer

:This reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure comes in a two-pack with the Deluxe-Class ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Optimus Prime figure]]. Prime himself is almost identical to the ''Encore'' release, save for his trailer hitch which was retooled to allow a peg to be inserted within it while still being able to be inserted into the trailer itself (making it compatible with his G1 trailer and the new trailer included). Like the Encore release, he features lighter colors and tampographed shoulder symbols (which vary slightly from the Encore release).

:His original trailer is not included with the set; instead, he comes with [[Armored Weapons Platform#Chronicle|a new deluxe-scaled trailer]], not available with any other figure, based on the one towed by Prime in ''Dark of the Moon''. The trailer is compatible with both figures, and sports [[5mm post]]-holes that will hold (among many other things) G1 Prime's laser rifle and the [[MechTech]] weapon Movie Prime is armed with.

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[[File:Chronicletoy ez g2 prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, 2011)
:Reveal the Shield Legends Prime was redecoed again for inclusion in the second EZ Collection wave. This version of the figure replaces his blue with black, and like the Megatron redeco in the same wave, features a ''Generation 2'' Autobot symbol instead of a Generation 1 insignia.

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==EZ Collection Gum==
*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, [[July 30|7-30]]-[[2012]])
**''ID number'': '''1'''

: [[EZ Collection#Transformers: EZ Collection Gum|''EZ Collection Gum'']] Convoy is another redeco of ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]], featuring the retooled parts, but this time omitting the sword. He is decoed once again in his ''Generation 2'' colors (see above), with the black legs, but uses metallic red plastic, and is coated in metallic red, blue, and black paint. As per the toyline's name, he comes with a yellow candy-shelled piece of lemony-flavored gum.

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==Generations==
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[[File:Generationstoy-UltimateGiftSet-CombatHeroOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He hasn't found this suit in 17 years!]]
*'''Ultimate Gift Set''' (2012)
:*''Accessories:'' Sword

:''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' "'''Combat Hero Optimus Prime'''" is a metallic-blue, gunmetal, and red redeco of ''United'' [[#UnitedG2|Laser Optimus Prime]], having the retooled tab, and being based on the canceled ''Generation 2'' [[#CombatHeroOptimusPrime|Combat Hero Optimus Prime figure]], sporting a red mouthplate inspired by the official catalog image for the unreleased toy (packaged samples had featured a traditionally colored gray mouthplate). He comes packed with a (vaguely) ''Generation 2''-styled Deluxe Class [[Jazz (G1)/toys#UltimateGiftSet|Autobot Jazz]], as well as unchanged releases of ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#UltimateGiftSet|Thundercracker]] and [[Motormaster (G1)#UltimateGiftSet|Motorbreath]].

:The Ultimate Gift Set is exclusive to online retailers in the United States, but is available at general retail in Asia.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/GenUGSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Combat Hero Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsOptimusPrimeRoller.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Say hello to my little friend, and Roller.]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Autobot Roller''' (Legends Class, 2013)
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #001'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster

:Part of the third wave of 2012-onwards ''Generations'' Legends Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Optimus Prime is a new mold that is roughly the same size as a ''[[Cyberverse]]'' Commander Class toy. Both his truck and [[robot mode]] are based on his [[Don Figueroa]]-designed body from [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] [[The Transformers (IDW)|ongoing series]], and features [[5mm post|5mm-compatible]] hands and roof. He comes with an [[Ion blaster#Legends|Ion Blaster]] which has both 5mm and 3mm posts.

: He comes with "[[Roller (G1)#Generations|Autobot Roller]]", who can transform into a six-wheel armored SUV, a robot with [[C joint|3mm-compatible]] hands, and a weapon with a 5mm handle. He has a 5mm hole in vehicle mode and a 3mm hole in weapon mode for mounting the Ion Blaster.

: Not depicted in the instructions or stock photos, Roller can attach to Prime in vehicle mode via two tabs on the vehicle front which slot into two corresponding slots on Prime's feet. Another undocumented feature is that the butt of the Ion Blaster can be inserted between the barrels of Roller's weapon mode to form a longer weapon. Also not shown in the instructions but depicted on the stock photo on the card-back is that Prime's shoulderpads can be rotated up; the intended positioning for this is notched, although you can position them at other angles.

: This mold was also used to make ''Generations'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Generations|Nemesis Prime]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Thrilling 30'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Generationstoy-T30OrionPax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|And so my childhood fleets forever more. Shall it return? Quoth the raven: "Nevermore."]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (Deluxe, 2013)
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #002'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster, Energon Axe

:Part of the fifth wave of 2012-onwards ''Generations'' Deluxe Class toys, ''Thrilling 30'' Orion Pax is a new mold with a robot mode inspired by [[Guido Guidi|Guido Guidi's]] design for the character, originally seen in '[[Spotlight: Blurr]]'. Some liberties have been taken with the original concept to facilitate his truck mode, which is a new design not based on the Guidi art. He comes with his [[Ion blaster#Deluxe|Ion Blaster]] and an [[Energon-axe#Deluxe|Energon Axe]] with a transparent red-orange blade, both of which can peg onto 5mm ports on his hands and vehicle rear sides. Although not depicted on the instructions, the Ion Blaster can also peg into partially-octagonal "hole" on the larger blade of the Energon Axe.

:The American release is packed in with a copy of IDW's '[[Omega's Conundrum|Spotlight: Orion Pax]]', which sports a 'Hasbro Exclusive Cover' cropped from the [[Clayton Crain]] [[:File:SpotlightOP cvrRI.jpg|retailer incentive cover]] for the issue. In Europe and Canada, the figure was released without the Spotlight.

:Most of the first-wave Orion Pax toys released in monolingual English [[packaging]] sport a bizarre [[quality control#Packaging images and labelling|error]]: The [[package art|character art]] on the side of the cardboard insert inside the blister bubble has the character art of Orion's [[wave]]-mate [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Deluxe|Megatron]] superimposed over Orion's own art. This error doesn't appear on the [[Multilingual packaging|European packaging]].

:The toy was later [[Redeco|recolored]] and [[retool]]ed to make both [[Lio Convoy (BWII)|Lio Convoy]] and [[Nova Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenOrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on ''Thrilling 30'' Orion Pax at TFU.info]''

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*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**'''01 OF 30'''

: An [[exclusive]] version of Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#SDCC|Metroplex]] was made available at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013. He comes with 12 small, non-transforming figurines of Orion Pax, [[Megatron (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Megatron]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Bumblebee]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#SDCCMetroplex|Thundercracker]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)#SDCCMetroplex|Trailcutter]], and [[Hoist (G1)#SDCCMetroplex|Hoist]], all in both modes. The figurines are based on their Thrilling 30 ''Generations'' Deluxe Class toys, and similarly to [[Decoy]]s, the Autobot figurines are cast in red plastic, and the Decepticons in purple.

:The handle of Pax's Energon Axe is incredibly thin and unable to support the axe head, meaning the latter tends to droop down in the process.

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[[File:Generationstoy-T30-Metroplex-OrionPax-HKACGCON.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|... And you ''still'' end up playing the thimble in [[Monopoly]].]]
*'''Metroplex''' (Titan Class, 2013)
**'''05 OF 30'''

: Another exclusive version of Titan Class [[Metroplex (G1)#HKACGCON|Metroplex]] was made available at [[Hong Kong ACG-CON]] 2013. This Metroplex also has the 12 figurines of Orion Pax, [[Megatron (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Megatron]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Bumblebee]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#HKACGCONMetroplex|Thundercracker]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)#HKACGCONMetroplex|Trailcutter]], and [[Hoist (G1)#HKACGCONMetroplex|Hoist]], but casts the Autobot figurines in gold plastic, and the Decepticons in silver.

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[[File:TTGenerationsTG24OptimusRoller.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime & Bumblebee''' (Multi-pack, [[September 28|09-28]]-2013)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TG24'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster

: The Japanese release of ''Generations'' Legends Class Optimus Prime [[redeco]]es him in an extensive metallic red paint job. He comes in a [[TakaraTomy]] four-pack with [[Roller (G1)#OPandBee|Roller]], as well as [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#OPandBee|Bumblebee]] and [[Blaze Master#OPandBee|Blazemaster]].

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[[File:TTGenerationsTG25OrionPaxMegatronus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Neither of them wants to own up to the fact the Great War started over an argument about getting granite counter-tops for their kitchen.]]
*'''Orion Pax VS Megatronus''' (Multi-pack, [[October 26|10-26]]-2013)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''TG-25'''
**''Accessories'': Blaster, axe

: The Japanese release of ''Generations'' Orion Pax also received a metallic paint job as well as other changes, including a translucent blue windshield and brighter orange axe with a metallic gray handle. He was only available in a two-pack with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#VSOrionPax|Megatronus]].

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[[File:GenerationsVoyOP.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Beefcake is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2015)
**'''3 OF 5: [[Ultra Prime]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Two blasters (combine into large rifle)

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations#Combiner Wars|Generations: Combiner Wars]]'' Voyager Class toys, this is a bigger, bulkier incarnation of Optimus Prime with a striking resemblance to Ginrai. He comes with two blasters which he holds via 5mm post. One of the guns is based on his trademark Ion Blaster, and both weapons store on the back of his vehicle mode as a makeshift engine block. In an interesting if not minute detail; his torso mode thighs have sculpted details that match ones on the super mode of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Energon Optimus Prime]]. Optimus suffers from a design flaw-the ratchets on his hips are too far apart, limiting his ability to be in a natural pose.

:Additionally, he is capable of transforming into a torso mode to combine with any 4 Deluxe Class ''Combiner Wars'' toys, though he is specifically intended to form Ultra Prime by combining him with Deluxe Class [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Generations|Skydive]] and [[Alpha Bravo]] as the arms, and with [[Fireflight (G1)#Generations|Firefly]] and [[Drag Strip (G1)#Generations|Decepticon Drag Strip]] as the legs.

:Optimus comes packaged with a collector's card featuring art from the initial release of the ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]'' mobile game.

:This mold was [[retool]]ed into [[Motormaster (G1)#Combiner Wars|Motormaster]].

::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/generations-combiner-wars/optimus-prime/3472/1/ Image gallery of ''Combiner Wars'' Optimus Prime at Seibertron.com]''
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===Cyber Series===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Cyber Battalion, 2015):
:Part of the new Generations Cyber Battalion series, Optimus Prime is a new mold which stands 7 inch tall, and transforms from a truck (which is based on the Generations Legends Class Optimus Prime) into a robot in just 7 simple steps. the figure's transformation had taken cues from the [[Optimus_Prime_(G1)/toys#2010Legend|Reveal the Shield Legends Class Optimus Prime]] figure.

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==GT==
*'''GT-R Prime''' ([[May 25|5-25]]-[[2013]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''GT-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Impact Wrench Gun", [[Misaki]] race queen figure

: ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]'' GT-R Prime is a heavy retool of ''Alternity'' Convoy, transforming into a 1:32 replica of the Motul Autech GT-R race car used by the [[wikipedia:Nismo|Nismo]] team in the [[wikipedia:Super GT|Super GT]] racing championship series. He retains the flip-out blasters of the ''Alternity'' toy and can also wield his new Impact Wrench Gun accessory (also called the "Optimus Rifle" on the ''Transformers GT'' website), a weapon based on the impact wrenches used in car repairs. Like all ''GT'' toys, Prime also comes with a [[GT Sister]], poseable human figures themed after [[wikipedia:race queen|race queens]], his partner being a lady named Misaki.

: GT-R Prime's packaging points out that he can be fitted into ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime's trailer to replicate the way actual race cars are transported.

: This mold was also used, with different heads and accessories, to make the other ''Transformers GT'' toys: [[Star Saber (Victory)#GT|GT-R Saber]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Megatron]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#GT|GT-R Maximus]].

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==FJ Cruiser X Transformers==
*'''FJ Optimus Prime''' (2013)
**''Accessories:'' spare tire/axe
:Part of a cross-promotion between {{w|Toyota}} and TakaraTomy, FJ Optimus Prime transforms into an {{w|Toyota FJ Cruiser|FJ Cruiser}}, with his axe weapon becoming the vehicle's spare tire. The vehicle mode's body panels come packaged on the sprue, and can then be clipped onto the core figure. The mass retail release of FJ Optimus includes yellow and white panels, whilst further color variations were available when purchasing an FJ Cruiser at Japanese Toyota dealerships. As is typical of TakaraTomy exclusives, these variants came in grayscale packaging.

==Construct-Bots==
* '''Optimus Prime''' (Elite Class, 2013)
: Optimus Prime transforms into a truck-like vehicle. This version is identical to the Ultimate Class two-pack listed below, however this version features transparent plastic for his body armor. He includes a projectile launcher and Energon Axe.

* '''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (Ultimate Class, 2013)
: Optimus Prime's Elite Class toy was packed alongside his eternal nemesis [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Megatron]]. This version has opaque colors and a more traditional Optimus color scheme. He includes his weapons from the single release as well as a swathe of extra parts for additional configurations.

==Platinum Edition==
[[File:PlatinumEditiontoy-Year of the horse Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Does not contain any Neil Young.]]
* '''Year of the Horse Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#Platinum Edition|Ion blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Platinum Edition|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#Platinum Edition|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#Platinum Edition|trailer/Battle Station]]

:Released to celebrate Chinese New Year, ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' "Year of the Horse" Optimus Prime is a redeco of MP-10 Convoy, featuring darker reds and gold-chromed parts, among other deco changes. He lacks Roller and the Spike Witwicky figurine.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/YotHOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Year of the Horse Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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==Hero Mashers==
[[File:HeroMashers_OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Modular building is the right of all sentient beings.]]

* '''Optimus Prime''' (Battle Upgrade, 2014)
**''Pieces: '''13'''
: Part of the first wave of battle upgrade Hero Mashers toys, Optimus is a non-transforming robot who can swap any of his parts out with other Hero Mashers figure to create many combinations. He includes his iconic Energon axe, a large projectile-launching gun, another large gun, two missile packs, and an arm for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Hero Mashers|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/HMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

*'''Electronic Optimus Prime''' (Electronic Action, 2014)
**''Pieces: '''?'''
: Electronic Optimus Prime is an unchanged version of the battle upgrade toy, but with all-new accessories.
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==Bearbrick==
[[File:Bearbrick OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Honey is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[July 17|7-17]]-[[2014]])

: A special edition [[Bearbrick]] released in celebration of the ''Transformers'' 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime transforms from a Bearbrick painted up like himself to a bear-eared robot. He has no accessories, but holes in his [[robot mode]] hands can accommodate other toys' weapons.

: This mold, with a different head sculpt, was also used for the simultaneously released Bearbrick [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Megatron]], and also redecoed into ''Age of Extinction'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Bearbrick|Optimus Prime]]. It was further retooled into Bearbrick [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Starscream]].

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==Lost Age==
[[File:LostAge ConvoyAnniversaryClearVer.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
* '''Convoy [Anniversary Clear Ver.]''' (EZ Collection, 2014)
:Yet another ''Reveal the Shield'' redeco, Convoy is cast in clear red and black plastic. He has been retooled to include a magnet in his right foot, allowing him to interact with ''Lost Age'' Battle Command [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Lost Age|Optimus Prime]] and ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' Stomp & Chomp [[Grimlock (AOE)#Stomp&Chomp|Grimlock]]. Convoy was available at a variety of 2014 events, including on [[May 3]] at a "Kids Walk" event at {{w|Fuji Speedway}}, in special packaging on [[May 16]] at the "Transformers Celebration 2014" midnight event at the Sunshine City [[Toys"R"Us]] store in {{w|Ikebukuro}}, on [[June 15]] at Tokyo Toy Show 2014, at the Aeon Mall in {{w|Kasukabe}} on [[July 19]], and at the "Transformers Expo" event in {{w|Yokohama}} on [[August 9]].
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==Age of Extinction==
[[File:Evolution2PackClassicsOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
'''Optimus Prime''' (Evolution 2-Pack, 2014)
:Only available at [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]], this Optimus Prime is a redeco of the Classics version. He is repainted to look more cartoon-accurate, and his upper legs are now chromed out. He still features all of his accessories. This Optimus was packaged along with the Age of Extinction [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Age of Extinction|Optimus Prime]].

==Legend Commander Collection==
*'''Convoy''' (2014)
**''ID number:'' '''LC-01'''
:Part of the ''Legend Commander Collection'' sold at [[Transformers Expo]], Convoy is a redeco of ''Robotmasters'' G1 Convoy.

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==Optimus Prime Pen==
*'''Transformers Optimus Prime Pen''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

: Released in Japan by [[Sentinel (company)|Sentinel]] as part of the 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime Pen is a well-articulated robot that folds into the shape of a rather chunky, but functional ballpoint pen. The tip of the pen is formed from his ion blaster, with the barrel acting as a cap.

: This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Black Convoy Pen|Black Convoy Pen]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Ultra Magnus Pen|Ultra Magnus Pen]].

==Transformers (2014)==
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legion Class, 2014)
:Another release of the ''Reveal the Shield'' Legends Class sculpt. The deco for its initial release is unchanged from the ''Transformers'' release from 2012, whereas the tooling is identical to the 2012 release's running change variant, with the retooled hands and a hole on the back of his head/top compatible with [[Cyberverse]] [[C joint|3mm]] pegs. Bizarrely, the [[package art]] is lifted directly from the ''Generations'' Legends Class Optimus Prime/Autobot Roller two-pack's packaging, whereas the [[stock photography|stock photos]] depicted on the back of the packaging are taken from ''Reveal the Shield'' Optimus Prime's packaging and only slightly altered, advertising a "[[Reveal the Shield]]" [[rubsign]] [[gimmick]] the toy doesn't actually have. Meanwhile, Hasbro's official stock photos provided to online retailers (including an in-packaging photo) depict the toy with the sword that came with the running change variant of the sculpt's 2012 release, even though the actual toy doesn't include the sword.

:Legion Class Optimus Prime has been found at Family Dollar and Dollar General stores in the United States. A later [[variant]] repleaced the red Autobot insignia with a black version. This later version was also released at general retail in Australia, New Zealand and Europe. In Singapore it was released together with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Starscream]] as part of the promotion for [[Age of Extinction]] in selected cinemas.

==Q-Transformers==
[[File:QTransformers Optimus Prime GT.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[January 24|1-24]]-2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-09'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime is [[super deformed]] toy based on the [[#Alternity|''Alternity'' Convoy]] design, transforming into a Nissan GT-R R35, though his legs retain the traditional blue truck bed motif. The English name on the packaging refers to him as just "Optimus". He comes with a code for unlocking "GTR Optimus Prime" as a playable character in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' game.

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[[File:QTransformers Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[April 25|4-25]]-2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-19'''

:''Q-Transformers'' Convoy is based on his traditional design, transforming into a flat-nose truck with an integrated, non-removable trailer. He comes with a code for unlocking Generation 1 Optimus Prime, under the name "Convoy", in ''Mystery of Convoy Returns''.

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==Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation==
*'''Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation''' (02/2015)
**''Accessories:'' Controller, memory card

: Released alongside a [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Mega Drive Megatron|Sega Mega Drive version of Megatron]] and outside of any other toyline, "Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation" transforms from robot to a scaled-down non-functional [[Sony]] [[PlayStation]] video game console. He features an opening disc compartment and comes with two accessories, a memory card and a controller that splits in two and attaches to his lower arms to act as blasters.

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==Notes==
[[File:PrototypeTHB.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Not so Optimus Prime.]]

*The first prototype for Battle Convoy, the ''[[Diaclone]]'' originator of Optimus Prime, was vastly different from the final version, complete with an entirely different transformation and a car carrying trailer. The head lacked the faceplate.

*The toy that would ultimately end up as the original Optimus Prime toy was originally released in August [[1983]] as No.17 Battle Convoy from Takara's Diaclone Car Robo toyline in Japan. In [[1984]], [[Joustra]] released their own version (still with ''Diaclone'' sticker on the trailer) as part of their Diaclone line in Europe, either simply called ''Truck'' (according to the pack-in catalog) or ''Diaclone'' (in the pack-in comic). It's possible that [[GiG]] also released a version called ''Camion Convoy'' as part of their ''[[Trasformer]]'' line in Italy, but to this day no packaged sample has surfaced.
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===The many releases of Optimus Prime===
[[File:SeveralG1Convoy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Too much Prime on my hands.]]
Over the years, the [[#G1v1|original Optimus Prime]] has been repackaged and reissued multiple times:

*In the USA and Canada, limited edition promotional versions were available sporting Pepsi stickers; the Canadian version has large Pepsi stickers that cover the entire trailer, while the US version only has small Pepsi stickers that partially obscure the lines running across the trailer;
*In addition to the standard Japanese 01 Convoy release, Takara also released the toy as part of the [[#VSX|VSX Convoy vs. Megatron]] two-pack in [[1985]];
*Takara released a variant sporting clear blue windows and as part of the "[[#goodbye|Good Bye Convoy]]" set (packaged with [[Red Alert (G1)#Toys|Alert/Red Alert]] and [[Mirage (G1)#Toys|Ligier/Mirage]]) in [[1986]];
*Hasbro's subsidiary [[Milton Bradley]] (MB) released the toy in Europe in late 1985, following a slight delay due to licensing issues;<ref name="mbtfs">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/mb-transformers-part-5/ "The Jetfire vs Optimus Prime mixup"] at 20th Century Toy Collector</ref> there are no less than ''three'' variants of MB-packaged Optimus Prime, one of them manufactured by Takara and sporting blue feet, the other two manufactured by [[Joustra]] as part of a deal with Hasbro/MB, one of them with blue and the other one with red feet;<ref name="3mb">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/the-three-mb-optimus-primes/ "The Three MB Optimus Primes"] at 20th Century Toy Collector</ref>
*After Hasbro's European division had changed the packaging from "MB" to "Hasbro", the toy continued to be available in 1986, including more of the Joustra-manufactured red and blue feeted versions, which were apparently also available in the UK in English-only packaging;<ref name="3mb"/>
*[[GiG]] released the toy as ''Commander'' as part of their ''Transformers'' line in Italy in 1985, including an all-plastic variant in 1986;
*[[IGA]] released their version in Mexico in 1985; unsold stock was later imported to a plethora of European countries, including the UK, with Optimus Prime having the yellow paint scraped off his eyes and then having them painted over in red;
*Hasbro reissued the "Original Autobot Leader" toy as part of their European ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line of reissues in [[1991]];
*Hasbro released a [[#Generation_2|redecoed version with additional accessories]] as part of their [[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]] in [[1993]];
*Takara reissued the original toy in its original 1985 Japanese packaging in [[2000]], with an all-black recolor being available from assorted Japanese conventions and another variant with gold instead of silver parts, stickers, and paint as a [[Lucky Draw figure|lucky draw]] prize;
*Takara reissued the toy again as ''New Year Special'' version in January 2002, sporting clear blue windows (similar to Good Bye Convoy) and featuring additional accessories such as a Matrix necklace and a [[Show-accuracy|show accurate]] recolor of the Action Master Optimus Prime figure;
*Hasbro reissued the toy in the USA and the UK as part of their ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]'' line of reissues in [[2002]], sporting shortened down smokestacks [[for safety reasons]];
*Takara reissued the toy once again in [[2003]], as part of their ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' line of reissues, numbered 00 and featuring additional accessories such as an energon axe;
*Takara released a recolored version featuring a new trailer in December [[2005]], called ''[[Pepsi Convoy]]''.
*Hasbro released their own version of Pepsi Convoy, named "[[#PepsiPrime|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]", as a [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] exclusive in [[2007]], featuring the familiar [[For safety reasons|safety]]-shortened smokestacks of the Commemorative Series reissue.
*In August 2007 TakaraTomy yet again did a rerelease similar to the 2000 Convoy rerelease, this time as part of the "[[Transformers Encore]]" line. This version has a new rifle with a longer handle so Optimus can finally hold it straight.
*TakaraTomy released [http://seibertron.com/advertisement.php?id=8 "Convoy iPod Docking Bay with Speakers"] in September 2007. It is an iPod speaker/dock in the shape of a truck, featuring an all-white version of Convoy with a new head sculpt reminiscent of Masterpiece Convoy as the cab, and a trailer housing a pair of speakers and a docking point for an iPod.
*In March [[2008]], TakaraTomy released a G1-colored version of the iPod Convoy set.
* Hasbro released the ''25th Anniversary'' gift set edition detailed above in 2008, as part of the 2008 ''Universe'' line, once again with [[For safety reasons|shortened smokestacks]].
*TakaraTomy released another reissue based on the ''Encore'' version as part of their ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' line in 2011, lacking the original Generation 1 trailer. Instead, the ''Chronicle'' version was available in a two-pack with ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Optimus Prime]] and a new trailer that could be used by both Optimuses, thanks to a retooled trailer hitch on the Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure.
*In 2012, Hasbro reissued Optimus Prime again for their Asian markets, this time mixing the 25th Anniversary version of the toy itself with the older ''Commemorative Series'' packaging.<ref name="25thcomm">[http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?t=44388 "Bad news RE: new Commemorative Prime"] at Cybertron.ca.</ref>

===Powermaster Optimus Prime design history===

[[Powermaster]] Optimus Prime, being the grand toy rebirth of Optimus Prime post-movie, apparently received a lot of thought during the design process. Prime went through an inordinate number of design changes from concept to final with at least three very major revisions:

[[File:EarlyPMPrime1.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Overcompensating.]]

*The earliest version, as shown in the first patent application for the toy, was to have the Prime cab be a triplechanger, turning from truck cab to jet or robot.<ref>[http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880604&CC=JP&NR=S63132686A&KC=A Patent #JP63-132686]</ref> The nosecone of the jet and robot legs were released by the Powermaster lock in the same fashion as the legs in the final version. Optimus would have had winged arms in non-super [[robot mode]]. The super robot mode's head was also integrated into the trailer's hitch... and lacked a faceplate.
[[File:EarlyPMPrime2.jpg|100px|thumb|Blockhead.]]
*The second known version <ref>''[[Transformers Generations]]'', p22, p106</ref> ditched the triplechanging gimmick on the cab and simplified things a good bit. This Powermaster Prime has several distinct characteristics only seen in the second design, such as the wider "block head" and two faux smokestacks on top of either shoulder as opposed to one. Also, in a rather odd twist, this design features a black head and fists for both super and regular modes rather than the traditional blue. It also had yellow eyes in either mode a la the original Optimus Prime.
[[File:EarlyPMPrime3.jpg|100px|thumb|''Triple-Power-Headmaster Optimus Prime'' was just too damn long to put on the box.]]
*The third version <ref>''[[Transformers Generations]]'', p106</ref> would quite possibly have been the most gimmick loaded Transformer in the history of the line, simultaneously being a Powermaster, [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]], and [[Triple Changer]]. The Headmaster also would have been a Triple Changer, turning into a sort of armored four-wheeled rover (Roller II?) and robot as well as a rather silly looking Optimus Prime head with four vertically aligned wheels jutting off the sides. It seems that when the extra Headmaster gimmick was scrapped, the super mode head remained separate rather than being reintegrated into the trailer hitch such as on the earliest design. Notably, the body of this design is extremely close to the final design.
*A fourth version is shown in the 1987-88 Transformers product catalog that has several minor differences from both Powermaster Prime and [[Ginrai|God Ginrai]], such as having God Ginrai's sliding fists but in red, a completely different trailer hitch assembly partially based on the third design, an offset Autobot symbol in base mode, extended feet also based on third design, far more detailed super mode outer leg panels, completely different front bumper, and the first instance of single faux shoulder smokestacks rather than two. It is still unknown as to why Powermaster Prime has completely different arms from God Ginrai or all earlier concept versions.

Powermaster Prime's animation model as used in the commercials and as a character guide for the Marvel comics is a composite of the second and third designs. The body of the model is actually a straight tracing of the concept lineart for the third version (including its different rifles and twin faux shoulder stacks), with a slightly simplified drawing of the second version's head drawn on top.
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===Miscellaneous Primes===
[[File:Early Star Convoy Planning Stage.jpg‎|thumb|upright=1.1|I am the prototype of the toy of the future!]]
*''Return of Convoy'' catalogues reveal the planning process behind Star Convoy's evolution from gimmick-rich illustration to prototype before reaching final production.
[[File:PMHeroTrace.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Stealing purses across the ages.]]
* The pose used for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[#HeroOptimusPrime|Hero Optimus Prime]]'s [[package art]] is rather blatantly swiped from [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Powermaster]] [[#PMOP|Optimus Prime's]] package art.
* On a similar note, ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' [[#Machine Wars|Optimus Prime]]'s package art is merely edited from ''Generation 2'' [[#LaserOptimusPrime|Laser Optimus Prime]]'s card art, keeping it mostly intact save for the removal of shoulder kibble and the addition of a non-windowed chestplate.
[[File:Optimus prime nokia 6820.JPG|thumb|125px|Wait...I'm sure this is from Finland. But why did [[Seymour Simmons|Simmons]] say...]]
*The Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy was featured in a print ad for [[Wikipedia:Nokia 68xx series#Nokia 6820|Nokia 6820]] phones in December of 2004.<ref name="nokia">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-featured-in-nokia-a/4374/ "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime Featured in Nokia Ad"]</ref> He is posed bent over to look at the phone and scratching his head. Pleasantly, ''most'' of the pose pictured is perfectly possible with an un-[[Customizing|kitbash]]ed, un-Photoshopped version of the toy. (The real toy can't bend forward at the waist like that, alas.)
*''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]] was initially intended to be Deluxe-sized. An alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> included a Deluxe-sized Optimus Prime without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> Don Figueroa's [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the decision was made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size.

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Beachcomber (G1)

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:''Beachcomber is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Beachcomber sawyer.png|right|250px|thumb|''Hippies.'' They're everywhere. They wanna save the earth, but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad.]]
'''Beachcomber''' has a hard time reconciling his love of peace and freedom for all creatures with the need to combat those who threaten it. Furthermore, however just the cause for which it was fought, the gruesome and destructive aftermath of any battle sickens him to the spark.

Sometimes, when the internal struggle gets too heavy, he simply has to wander into the wilderness and cleanse his soul. Even there, far from civilization, he sometimes finds strange substances to aid the Autobot cause, for Beachcomber is a skilled naturalist, and geology is his specialty, man. He often tries to preserve or even to hide these discoveries, but he has seen too much evil done by the ruthless Decepticons to conceal any possible source of aid completely from his allies.

Beachcomber's geology tools include a wide array of sensors (magnetic, seismic, sonic, infrared) and a 'sonic pick' which can cut through rock. Beachcomber can use his magnetic sensors to navigate like a compass, but local magnetic disturbances can cause this to lead him astray. His sonic probes possess only limited range.

Beachcomber is neither very fast nor very strong, and his antiwar sentiments gain him little respect from the more martial of the Autobots, yet he is agile and skilled in a fight, and his courage is beyond all reproach.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Alan Oppenheimer]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese), [[Vladimiro Conti]] (Italian, second dub), [[Jorge García]] (Latin American)

[[Image:Beachcomber with bird.jpg|right|180px|thumb|He talks to the animals. Especially after a good hit of Kalis Mountain High.]]
Beachcomber showed up out of nowhere one day, helping [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] investigate some [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]] attacks on an old growth forest. This unit proved to be sufficiently under-powered when it came to confronting freshly fed Insecticons, and their battle strategy amounted to hiding behind Hound's holograms until the bad robots went away. {{storylink|The Insecticon Syndrome}} He was next seen on [[Dinobot Island (G1)|Dinobot Island]], worrying that the battle with the Decepticons would destroy the environment before it could be properly studied, but at least he was still fighting while complaining. {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}}

Beachcomber, along with the other Autobots, were exiled from Earth after Megatron allied with greedy businessman [[Shawn Berger]] to create anti-Autobot propaganda. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} He and the other Autobots managed to return to Earth thanks to [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]'s force field and [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]]'s navigation. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}}

[[Image:Goldenlagoonbeachcomber1.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Seriously, he hangs out with a lot of birds.]]

Unlike the next time. On a geology expedition with [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and several other Autobots, Beachcomber abandoned them in the middle of a firefight to explore a cave in the nearby cliffside. While his friends were dodging laser fire and trading blows, Beachcomber was learning to speak parakeet and communing with nature. He also found a golden lagoon full of [[electrum]], a naturally-occurring element which would make any Transformer impervious to harm. He dipped his hand into the lagoon, and it turned completely gold in color. Beachcomber hid this information from his fellow Autobots, and even kept his silence after [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] arrived coated in electrum and drove the Autobots into retreat, capturing two of their number in the process. Valuing the scenic beauty surrounding the electrum pool, Beachcomber still refused to warn his comrades after the ''entire Decepticon army'' arrived coated with invincible golden armor. He went solo to check on the lagoon, and was captured by the Decepticons. Some of the dumber [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] acted as his prison guards at the Decepticon sunken base, though, and Beachcomber managed to escape alongside his fellow prisoners Perceptor and [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]].

Reaching the electrum pool, the trio was met by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the rest of the Autobots, who had independently uncovered the pool's location thanks to [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]. Realizing his golden hand would give him away, Beachcomber quickly dove into the electrum to disguise his prior knowledge of the substance. In the final battle with the Decepticons, [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] ordered the electrum pool destroyed rather than sharing it with the Autobots. In the aftermath of the explosion, the wilderness was totally decimated. Beachcomber never told the Autobots that he had known about the Decepticons' secret weapon and had kept silent, and instead sat around mourning the loss of the grass and trees.

Beachcomber is kinda a selfish dick, honestly. {{storylink|The Golden Lagoon}}

Beachcomber briefly maintained a position at the Autobots' New York City base inside [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug's]] garage. {{storylink|Make Tracks}} He was also seen attending Teletraan I when the Autobots were engaged with the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] and [[Morphobot]]s. {{storylink|Quest for Survival}} Beachcomber was next seen protecting [[San Francisco]] from an alien bird-dragon unleashed on Earth by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. He tried appealing to the creature, thinking that we're all one with the same universe. Yeah... that didn't work well. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} When the energy creature called [[Kremzeek]] assaulted the Ark, Beachcomber was one of the first Autobots short-circuited by the little creep. {{storylink|Kremzeek!}}

Beachcomber was later kidnapped by a greedy toll booth and forced to drive in a circle while hopping over spike-traps. It might make more sense if we explained it better, but it would be nowhere near as funny. {{storylink|Prime Target (episode)|Prime Target}}

Next, after Megatron kidnapped Perceptor and then voluntarily let him go, Beachcomber joined the ''entire Autobot team'' in riding out a few miles from the base to retrieve their friend. Why several dozen Autobots were needed for such a simple mission... is unknown. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

In 2006, Beachcomber was stationed at the Ark with [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]], [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] and several others when [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] came to destroy it. Their feeble efforts to defend the spacecraft were barely noted by the dinosaur robot. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}
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====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic====
[[Image:FSRLTFmanga8_Minibots.jpg|left|200px|thumb|]]
As a member of the [[4-Wheel-Drive Brigade]], Beachcomber confronted the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] out in the desert, only to be caught in an explosive mine trap and fall into a pit. Working together, Beachcomber and the others combined their Scramble Power and worked their way free of the pit. A concentrated Scrumbuster attack drove off the Decepticons, and the Autobots won the day. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 3|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #3}}

Later, Beachcomber was part of a group who arrived to back up [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], who was defending a [[Murdered puppy|dog]] that had been cruelly experimented on by the [[Decepticon]]s from being hunted and captured by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]. He and the other [[Mini Vehicle|Minibots]] [[Minibot combiner|combined]] with Powerglide in their vehicle modes thanks to the [[Decepticon super science|experimental energies]] within the dog, and spinning furiously, smashed through [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]'s chest and out the other side in a flying drill attack.

No, seriously. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 8|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #8}}
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====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
Beachcomber fought alongside the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] and [[Throttlebot]]s on Cybertron in 2011. [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]]'s hypnotic wave forced him and his allies to fall asleep. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
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[[Image:Smeltingpoolminivehicles.jpg|left|200px|thumb|On Cybertron, Beachcomber basically transformed into whatever Kup does.]]
Beachcomber was a member of [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'s [[Cybertron Seven|resistance cell]] on Cybertron who disobeyed orders along with most of the cell to help [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] recover [[Scrounge (G1)|Scrounge]] from the [[smelting pool]]. He actually demonstrated some uncharacteristic strength and gusto, tearing down a [[laser sentinel tower]] with his bare hands. The rescue mission failed, but they did recover Scrounge's stolen data, and learned that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] were alive and fighting on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|The Smelting Pool!}}

[[Image:Powerglidereadytoblastoffrightnow.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Beachcomber's bloodthirstiest moment.]]

Soon after, Perceptor's crew began a mission to destroy the [[Space Bridge]] before the Decepticons on Earth and Cybertron could begin trading resources. Beachcomber used his geological skills to map out a safe path underneath the planet's surface to bomb the underlying support structures of [[Darkmount]], bringing down [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]'s whole fortress. The unit failed to destroy the Space Bridge, however, and were ultimately forced to retreat across the Bridge to Earth. {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}}

Beachcomber and his fellows were taken captive by [[Rapid Anti-robot Assault Team|RAAT]] and their commanding officer, the robot-hater [[Circuit Breaker]], and their heads were mounted on the wall of their headquarters. {{storylink|Aerialbots over America!}} Circuit Breaker showed footage of their defeat to fellow RAAT operative [[Walter Barnett]]. Meanwhile, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] and the shifty human [[Donny Finkleberg]] were sent on a mission to determine their whereabouts, but Finkleberg sold out Skids to RAAT as well. {{storylink|Heavy Traffic!}} Ultimately, Finkleberg redeemed himself by forcing the captured Autobots' release as part of a deal. If the combined bodies of Beachcomber and the other captives could successfully aid in the defeat of the vandalizing [[Battlecharger|Battlechargers]], they would be set free. And so it was. ''Beachcomber and the others headed home, directed by Skids, when the time-traveling [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] took their guide's place. Galvatron tore his way through the group, one by one, with Beachcomber one of his casualties. {{storylink|Resurrection!}}''

[[Image:Beachcomberdarkstar.jpg|left|150px|thumb|They're about to crash through Bruce Wayne's window.]]
Beachcomber managed to avoid virtually all kinds of fighting for the rest of his time on Earth, doing nothing more strenuous than getting shot at by the Ark's own defense systems. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend!}} While he did champion Blaster for replacing [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] as the Autobots' commander, this didn't stop Beachcomber from whining about senseless violence throughout their duel on the moon. Luckily, a Decepticon strike force arrived to drown out his voice with some lasers and explosives. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

When the Autobots rescued [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] from the Arctic and were ambushed by the Decepticons, Beachcomber was among the first to be attacked, set upon and mauled by [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]]. {{storylink|Dark Star (issue)|Dark Star}}

''Presumably, this rendered him non-functional, as Beachcomber was last seen laying deactivated aboard [[Ark (G1)|The Ark]] as [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] attempted to repair him. {{storylink|Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer}}''
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====Marvel UK future timelines====
''When the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] raided [[Autobot City]] in 2008, Beachcomber and [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] rushed to defend their home with a team of fellow Autobots. Unfortunately, the Quintesson shock troops were too much for them, and quickly overran the defenders. Beachcomber and his [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]] buddy made a run for back-up, but were jumped from behind and taken out with the rest. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}''

===Find Your Fate Junior===
Beachcomber had to find a path to the surface from the cave system the Autobots were trapped in. He explored the system of underground lakes, marveling at the many strange things that lived there. While recharging the [[Sun-Pak]] on the surface, he was attacked by [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]], and had to be saved by [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]]. How humiliating. {{storylink|Attack of the Insecticons}}

''In the 'unsuccessful' ending to this [[multipath adventure]], Beachcomber became lost when his magnetic sensors erroneously led him directly to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. He did not regret this error for long.''

Beachcomber discovered [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] practicing his earthquakes near a concealed base and learned of a Decepticon plan to destroy nearby [[Center City]].

[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] decided that such grave news required a pinpoint response with ''utmost'' secrecy... so he sent the recklessly impulsive [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], the bombastic [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], and Beachcomber to babysit the other two. {{storylink|Earthquake (book)|Earthquake}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Csbeachcomber.jpg|left|150px|thumb|"Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Bonnnngggg!!!"]]
Beachcomber was spurred into action against [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s regime on Cybertron when Optimus Prime returned to the planet and rallied the Autobots into action. His actual contribution to the insurrection is undocumented, but it's entirely possible he may have even picked up a weapon. Really. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Afterwards, Beachcomber was assigned to a mission suitable for his pacifism, as part of Bumblebee's supply crew on the ''[[Orion (ship)|Orion]]'', bringing news and fuel to their comrades on Earth. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} Little did they know they would be caught up in heavy combat with [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. Beachcomber was supposed to be guarding Sunstorm's primary target, the Decepticon [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], in an Alaskan bunker. Now, of course, the question isn't whether Starscream betrayed them at the first opportunity; It's whether Beachcomber even bothered to pick up his gun and try to stop Starscream, or just passively let the 'Con gun him down. {{storylink|The Omega Effect}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
Early in the war, Beachcomber, along with [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] and [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], met with the damaged [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] when their transport ship returned to HQ. {{storylink|Spotlight: Jazz}}

Four million years ago, Beachcomber was present at a victory celebration after the Autobots halted a major Decepticon energon convoy. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

Later, Beachcomber was captured by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who used [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] to inject him with a [[cerebro-shell]]. Under its control, Beachcomber attempted on three occasions to assassinate [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. Ultimately, Blaster confronted him about it and forced him to fight against his Decepticon control. Though his mental resistance shorted out the shell, his neural processors were severely damaged as well. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}}

After eventually recovering, Beachcomber ended up among the Autobot forces on Earth. When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] visited to investigate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s surrender, Beachcomber feared that they might all get arrested, and decided to leave the team. Alongside [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] and [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], he attempted to find and join [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who was trying to get off the planet, only to drive straight into a [[Skywatch]] ambush. Beachcomber was the first to be deactivated when a human named [[Campologno]] zapped him using a hi-tech suit. The captured Autobots were brought into the hanger where Optimus Prime was being imprisoned by [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Major Witwicky]] in an attempt to get the Autobot leader to cooperate. {{storylink|A Rude Awakening}}

===Timelines: Wings of Honor continuity===
In 2010, Beachcomber was stationed at [[Autobot City]]. He was led into battle by [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] as the Autobots came to the rescue of [[Pyro]]'s forces at the [[Large Hadron Collider]] in Switzerland. In the aftermath of the battle, they were exposed to the mutating properties of [[forestonite]], developing new color schemes and abilities. Beachcomber became a ''real'' flower-child, taking on an environmentally-friendly green paint scheme and causing plantlife to grow wherever he walked. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Beachcomber toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|My other altmode is a bong.]]
* '''Beachcomber''' (Mini Vehicle, 1985)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-63'''

: Beachcomber transforms into a blue and gray dune buggy of probably made-up model. The figure came in several variants, one with "[[Hasbro]]" stamped across the left arm (removing half the "mesh" pattern), and one without (leaving the full mesh there).

: Later on, Beachcomber (along with all of the then-current [[Mini Vehicle]]s) came packaged with a bonus [[Mini-spy]] as well.

:Although not documented in his instructions Beachcomber's legs are extendable, adding several precious millimetres to his height.

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===Generation 2===
[[Image:G2_Beachcomber_photo.jpg|right|300px|thumb]]
* '''Beachcomber''' (Mini Vehicle, 1993)

: ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Beachcomber uses the exact same mold as his Generation 1 counterpart. However, this time around, the blue was replaced with a chrome green and the grey of the upper legs and lamps was replaced with [[neon]] red. This version removed the "half-mesh" on the left arm and simply replaced it with a large Hasbro copyright stamp.

: A rare variant exists that may have been a testshot run with grey legs. These figures were apparently given out internally by Hasbro as [[Christmas]] ornaments, as they have been found bagged with a string attached and a card reading "Transformers Christmas ornament" on one side and "Merry Christmas from the Boys' Toys Marketing" on the other. The same treatment has been seen with a ''Generation 2'' Seaspray.

===Universe (2008)===
====G1 Series====
[[Image:Universe2008 Legends Beachcomber.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Has a [[fireblast]] of 1, yet is the only Legends Mini-Vehicle with a weapon.]]
*'''Beachcomber''' (Legends, 2008)

:Released in wave 4 of ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' (2008) Legends, Beachcomber is a new-mold toy of the original Beachcomber with a robot mode inspired by his [[character model]]; his alternate mode appears to be inspired by the Warthog vehicle from the ''Halo'' game series. He is labeled as being part of ''Universe'''s "G1 Series." Amusingly, the pacifist Beachcomber has a top-mounted machine gun in vehicle mode. Maybe it's a paintball gun?

:This mold is the basis for the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline's]] [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]].
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:HenkeiMinibotBeachcomber.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'm the one in the pack you don't care about.]]
*'''Minibot Attack Team''' (Multi-pack, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-18'''

:The ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' release of ''Universe'' Beachcomber has more [[Show-accuracy|cartoon-accurate]] colours and paint applications, his blue paint finish is flat and less vibrant than Hasbro's rellease. He comes in a set with [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]].
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==Notes==
[[Image:TFTM-MaybeBeachcomber.jpg|thumb|See kids? This is what happens to hippies.]]
* A robot with a color scheme approximating Beachcomber's could be seen ahead of [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] in line for [[Unicron]]'s smelting pool in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. Being ahead of Spike means he would have been destroyed before [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]] shot down the lid, and he wasn't seen afterwards in the escape from Unicron. But, while "[[Five Faces of Darkness]]" is well known for its errors, Beachcomber's presence in those episodes means it probably was not him inside Unicron.
* Beachcomber's [[character model]] shows up during a flashback in the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' episode, "[[Prehistory]]".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Beachcomber''' (ビーチコンバー ''Bīchikonbā'')
*''French:'' '''Déferlo''' (Canada), '''Pacifico''' (Canada ''Generation 2'')
*''Greek:'' '''Aggeliofόros''' (Αγγελιοφόρος, "Messenger")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Guberáló''' ("Scavenger")
*''Italian:'' '''Pulce'''
*''Portuguese:'' '''Onda''' (Portugal comics), '''Pacífico''' (Brazil comics)
*''Russian:'' '''Shezlong''' (Шезлонг, "Lounge")
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Beachcomber/beachcomber.htm Beachcomber at TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Beachcomber Beachcomber's Universe profile at NTFA.net]
*[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Prototypes/Employee/Gen2ChristmasOrnamentBCom.html Christmas Ornament Variant]

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Talk:Kup (G1)

2011-06-06T03:31:00Z

Skrollex: /* Targetmaster */ new section

Does anyone else want to help work on this to make him the Featured Article for June? BotCon ends right as June begins, and Kup is the star of the set, so I thought it might be appropriate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:Logical choice. Just looks like he needs his Dreamwave and... er, dang near ''all'' of his cartoon section done. I'm in a G1-cartoon sorta place right now, so I'll take a whack at that part, and the associated Japanese gumpf. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:19, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::Shouldn't be too hard to get his IDW section up to date, either. I've got those issues sitting around. ...hey, does he HAVE merchandise? He's got a section for it and a stub template... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:::...maybe a PVC? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:22, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Nope. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:42, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::No PVC in the HOC-era. No Kabaya kits, no MC Axis, no bottlecap statuettes I think, no MyClones (even wreck-gar got one of those!) no stamping sets... I think Kup might actually have ''no'' merchandise. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:43, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::I am completely apalled. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:48, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

Hey, anyone know if Kup's TF Collection "Future Cybertron" bio got translated? Just wondering if it contains any information on how he got bonded to Recoil (operating, that is, on the assumption that in J-continuity, Recoil is a robot from Master). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:05, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

I say, this is all looking rather spiffy. I've scanned his TFC bio and sent it to Spengs, so if there's anything there, I'll throw that in and we'll be golden. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:48, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Targetmaster==
I just bought Kup with Recoil and he has die-cast metal parts just like the original figure. Are we sure there wasn't a run of TM Kup figures where the die-cast was retained? Feel free to blast me if this is a stupid question.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 21:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
: The TM Kup "Transformers Collection" reissue with Wheelie had die-cast. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:57, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::My figure's copyright markings say 1986.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 05:50, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

== Up drawing thing ==

Fan club magazine is ''not'' part of [[Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]. Maybe the heading title should be change for that section or have a note added. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:34, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

==Wings of honor==

Isn't Wing of honor supposed to go in with the cartoon continuity, so could we move that section up there? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 06:12, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, it's very similar to the cartoon continuity but there have been intentional deviations. The same can be said of things like Dreamwave and Blackthorn, so we should keep Wings where it is. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 08:21, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
::Well in that case can we move that section away from the cartoon continuity on some other characters pages? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 09:09, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

== Generations Kup instructions head ==

Does anybody know who the planned retool of Kup is or why the head discrepancy isn't noted in the main article? [[Special:Contributions/134.71.80.204|134.71.80.204]] 18:28, 17 February 2011 (EST) (ZeldaTheSwordsman. P.S., I'm very, very, very sorry)

A '''possible''' retool could be Orion Pax, but as of today, Febuary 24 2011, we don't know who or what '''could''' be re-tooled,(Deceptiscourge45).

== Experience Lad... ==

Anyone mind if the quote at the top is extended to include 'Experience lad, you should learn to appreciate it' as I feel this encapsulates kup a bit more? [[User:Durge|Durge]] 20:43, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Targetmaster ==

I too have the Targetmaster version of this toy (and have had it since I was a kid, and have the instructions and part of the original box to prove it) and it indeed does have die cast metal. (Just the front windshield part of the truck. The wheels are plastic.) The date stamped onto the figure is 1986, though the date is stamped onto the part of the toy that has the hole for Recoil in truck mode. Were there two releases of the Targetmaster, one with die cast and one without?

The Transformers: The Movie

2008-05-03T23:48:06Z

Skrollex:

{{disambig3|Transformers: The Movie}}

[[Image:Transformersanimatedfilmposter.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Featuring the deaths of all your favorite Transformers characters.]]

{{episodenav|g1|prev=B.O.T. (episode)|next=Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}}
'''''The Transformers: The Movie''''' is an animated feature film based on the original Transformers toyline. It was released in the United States on August 8, 1986.

Often referred to by fans simply as "the movie" or "TFTM", this film opens with characters who had been featured in the first two years of the toyline and associated media (cartoons, comic books, etc.), but quickly introduces new characters and kills many of the old ones to make room. In particular, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] are all destroyed during the course of the film.

The movie was a step up in almost every area from the television series, with a more sophisticated plot, more serious treatment of war and violence, a hugely ambitious scope and a greatly increased animation budget with well-known celebrities providing voice work. For these reasons the film remains very popular with children of the 1980s.

==Primary characters and cast==
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]...[[Peter Cullen]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]...[[Robert Stack]]
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]...[[Paul Eiding]]
*[[Hot Rod]]...[[Judd Nelson]]
*[[Kup]]...[[Lionel Stander]]
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]...[[John Moschitta]]
*[[Springer]]...[[Neil Ross]]
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]...[[Susan Blu]]
*[[Wreck-Gar]]...[[Eric Idle]]
*[[Daniel Witwicky]]...[[David Mendenhall]]
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]...[[Frank Welker]]
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]...[[Chris Latta]]
*[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]...[[Leonard Nimoy]]
*[[Unicron]]...[[Orson Welles]]

==Brief synopsis==

[[Image:Unicronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|That's no moon. It's a space station.]]

A [[Scale|planet-sized Transformer]] called [[Unicron]] who eats other planets is approaching [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. As part of their continuing wars, the Autobots and Decepticons have a [[Battle of Autobot City|fierce battle]] on Earth which sees both Optimus Prime and Megatron mortally wounded. Prime passes the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to Ultra Magnus and dies, and Megatron is transformed by Unicron into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (briefly) assumes leadership of the Decepticons, but is killed when Galvatron arrives at Cybertron. Galvatron then chases the surviving Autobots on Earth across space, splitting them up and taking the Matrix. The Autobots find their way back to each other, and follow Galvatron to Cybertron just as Unicron transforms into robot mode and begins to eat their world. Travelling inside Unicron, [[Hot Rod]] recovers the Matrix, transforms into Rodimus Prime, and uses the Matrix to destroy Unicron.

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==Full synopsis==

[[Image:Tftm1986a.jpg|right|thumb|I have a bad feeling about this.]]

In the first sequence of the film, a mechanical planet called [[Unicron]] is shown travelling through the depths of space, then approaching and destroying another metal planet which has robotic inhabitants, much like [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. During the attack, robots, vehicles, buildings, and even large chunks of rock float off the surface of the planet and spiral into the large "mouth" on Unicron.

The scene then transitions to Cybertron, and the narrator explains that it is the year 2005, and that the [[Decepticon]]s are now in control of the planet. The [[Autobot]]s are preparing to launch an assault to retake the planet from hidden bases on two of Cybertron's moons. The Autobots launch a [[Autobot shuttle|shuttle]] to pick up a final shipment of [[energon]] from [[Earth]] before they strike.

Plans for the attack are overheard by [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], who reports back to Megatron. The Decepticons attack the Autobot shuttle en route to Earth, wiping out its crew (including [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and the [[Brawn (G1)|guy in the picture up there]]). Using the Autobots' own shuttle, the Decepticons are able to get very close to the Autobots' base on Earth, [[Autobot City]], before they are detected, and begin a devastating surprise attack on the unprepared city.

[[Image:Tftm1986b.jpg|left|thumb|If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.]]

During the battle at Autobot City, both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and Megatron suffer mortal injuries, and a number of other characters are also killed. Eventually the Decepticons retreat, but the damage suffered by the Autobots has been severe.

''For an extensive synopsis of the battle, see [[Battle of Autobot City]].''

Shortly after the battle, Prime lies on his deathbed. He passes the reins of leadership to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and gives him the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. (Though Hot Rod actually touches the Matrix before Magnus does.) Prime relates a prophecy: "One day, an Autobot shall rise from our ranks, and use the power of the Matrix to light our [[darkest hour]]." He then gives the oath, "[['Til all are one]]", and [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|dies]]. This sequence of events is observed remotely by Unicron, who appears unusually concerned by the survival of the Matrix.

The Decepticons are making their escape aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], but are too heavy for him to get them all home under his own power. After putting the matter to a fair vote, the Decepticons decide to throw their injured members off the ship to better the chance of survival for the rest. One of the most severely injured Decepticons is Megatron. Starscream tosses him out and claims leadership of the Decepticon army.

Megatron and the other adrift Decepticons then encounter Unicron in interstellar space. Unicron offers to rebuild Megatron and his minions in exchange for their service. Megatron agrees, and is [[reformatting|reformatted]] into [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. The other Decepticons are turned into [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], and the [[Sweep]]s. Unicron provides them with a [[Galvatron's ship|ship]], and sends them to kill Ultra Magnus and destroy the Matrix, stating that the Matrix is the only thing which can stand in his way.

[[Image:Tftm1986c.jpg|right|thumb|Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.]]

Galvatron first stops at Cybertron to take his revenge by killing Starscream and reclaiming leadership of the Decepticons. Almost immediately afterwards, Unicron arrives in Cybertron's vicinity and devours at least two moons{{m-}}both of the Autobots' moon bases are destroyed. Under coercion by Unicron, Galvatron finally heads to Earth to kill Ultra Magnus, but Magnus and the other surviving Autobots flee in a pair of shuttles. Eventually Galvatron manages to cause one shuttle to crash on yet another metal planet ([[Quintessa]]), and detonates the other with a volley of missiles. However, the Autobots in the second shuttle escape unnoticed by separating the front portion of their shuttle just before impact.

The Autobots in the crashed shuttle, [[Hot Rod]], [[Kup]], and the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, find themselves separated and in a hostile environment. Hot Rod and Kup are captured by a squad of [[Allicon]]s and taken before a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson judge|judge]] and his court. While being held there, they learn the name and nature of Unicron from [[Kranix]], a survivor of the planet destroyed in the opening of the film, which he calls [[Lithone]]. Meanwhile, the Dinobots encounter and befriend a young, wild Autobot named [[Wheelie]] who has been living alone on Quintessa. Together, they crash the trial just as Hot Rod and Kup are fighting losing odds against the Quintessons' [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s. The tide is turned, and the Autobots commandeer a [[Quintesson ship]].

[[Image:Tftm1986d.jpg|left|thumb|What an incredible smell you've discovered!]]

The other group of Autobots has landed on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] to make repairs, but are attacked yet again by Galvatron, who was tipped off to their survival by Unicron. During the battle, Ultra Magnus tries to open the Matrix to use its power, but is unable to do so, and instead is killed. Galvatron absconds the Matrix, taking it away to Unicron. The remaining Autobots{{m-}}[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Springer]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and [[Spike Witwicky|Spike]]'s son [[Daniel Witwicky|Daniel]]{{m-}}are then ambushed by [[Junkion]]s, the eponymous natives of Junkion, who are also giant transforming robots. This battle is cut short, however, by the arrival of Hot Rod's group in their Quintesson ship. After exchanging the [[universal greeting]] they all make friends, and the Junkions restore Ultra Magnus to life. Together, the whole group travels to Cybertron to try to recover the Matrix.

Galvatron attempts to open the Matrix to use its power against Unicron, but is also unable to get it open. Unicron, not pleased with this attempted treachery, shocks Galvatron by transforming from a planet into a [[Scale|planet-sized robot]]. Unicron plucks Galvatron off his chest and swallows him, Matrix and all, and then begins attacking Cybertron itself. [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] scrambles the Decepticon forces to defend the planet, but they are ineffective against so large an enemy. Shortly the Autobots arrive from Junkion, and fly the Quintesson ship straight through Unicron's eye. This impact destroys the ship, and the Autobots fall out inside Unicron. Hot Rod, separated from the others, eventually runs into Galvatron. During their fight, Hot Rod gets his hands on the Matrix and hears Optimus's voice speak the words, "Arise, Rodimus Prime." Hot Rod grows in stature, adopts a much sterner demeanor, and quickly dispatches Galvatron by tossing him through Unicron's hull out into space. He then opens the Matrix, which fills Unicron with light and begins destroying him.

[[Image:Tftm1986e.jpg|right|thumb|Use the Force, Luke.]]

In the meantime, the other Autobots inside Unicron have located some of their comrades from the moon bases who had been presumed dead, including [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and Daniel's father, Spike. The Autobots, including Rodimus, escape through Unicron's remaining eye just as he begins to fall apart and explode. The scene then immediately shifts to the surface of Cybertron, where{{m-}}for unclear reasons{{m-}}the Autobots seem to be in charge again. Rodimus predicts an era of peace and prosperity, and the film closes with a shot of Unicron's severed head still floating in orbit around Cybertron.

[['Til all are one]].

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==Significance in Transfandom==

''The Transformers: The Movie'' remains one of the most important elements of the entire Transformers brand, both within the fiction and from the perspective of the brand's popularity and "mindshare".

Fictionally, it established several story concepts that have been used repeatedly in the years since 1986, some of which{{m-}}such as Unicron and the Matrix{{m-}}are now central to the entire Transformers mythos. The movie is also the centerpiece of the most well-known Transformers continuity: the G1 animated universe. The G1 cartoon is split into "pre-movie" and "post-movie" sections which feature different characters and settings, and even somewhat different visual styles. (Most pre-movie episodes were animated by the studio [[Toei]], while most post-movie episodes were animated by [[AKOM]].)

On a practical note, it was widely available on videotape, and remained so long after the Generation 1 cartoon had gone off the air. Only a handful of series episodes were available on video, making ''The Transformers: The Movie'' the logical choice for someone looking to pick up a ''Transformers'' cartoon; this made it far more well-known among fans than any particular cartoon episode.

To an entire generation of young fans, the movie was the most visually spectacular and narratively epic ''Transformers'' experience of their entire youth. Events such as the death of Optimus Prime are widely reported to have reduced many kids to tears. It is hardly a surprise that these emotional experiences embedded themselves deeply in many fans' memories.

==Criticisms==
All this is not all to say that the movie is a "masterpiece", exactly. The film met with extremely harsh critical reviews on its release, and some of those criticisms still ring true today.

The film displays an arguably cynical attitude towards itself as [[To sell toys|a vehicle for advertising toys]], especially in the way beloved characters are killed{{m-}}sometimes gratuitously{{m-}}for sake of justifying the story's focus on a new group of toys. (Note that the poster at the top of this article features ''only'' new characters.)

Further, the two primary plot devices{{m-}}[[Unicron]] and the [[Matrix]]{{m-}}have no prior establishment in the fiction. Unicron is given no backstory or justification; he simply exists, is very dangerous, and is afraid of the Matrix, all for no adequately explained reason. The introduction of the Matrix itself is a heavy [[retcon]]. The story asks the audience to accept that this cosmically powerful artifact has been in Prime's possession all along (even though an X-ray of Optimus Prime's innards in the second season episode "[[A Prime Problem]]" show absolutely no signs of said Matrix), but has somehow never been relevant before. In fact, this lack of prior establishment is what led [[Simon Furman]] to develop the divinity backstory of Unicorn and [[Primus]] in the UK comics run.

[[Image:Megatronlightsaber.jpg|right|thumb|Your powers are weak, old man!]]

The movie bears many similarities to ''[[Star Wars]]'': There are several character-parallels (Springer is a Han Solo-type and Arcee even has Princess Leia's hairdo!), the primary threat is similar (it's the Death Star... but it transforms!), and both feature a climactic battle where the young hero hears the voice of his wise mentor one last time before saving the day.

To be a bit more fair to ''The Transformers: The Movie'', however, most of these similarities are either superficial (Arcee's Leia-hair; Megatron's "lightsaber" he briefly uses in his duel against Optimus Prime) or can be seen as elements common to thousands of years worth of epic storytelling through human history, not just common to ''Star Wars''. As a simple example, the phenomenon of two charismatic leaders dealing each other mortal injuries in battle hearkens back to some versions of the "King Arthur" myth; in their final battle, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Arthur]] and his arch-enemy [[Megatron (G1)|Sir Mordred]] deal one another lethal injuries and both apparently expire -- though Arthur according to the legend will [[The Return of Optimus Prime|return]] when [[Cybertron (planet)|England's]] need [[darkest hour|is greatest]].

Though most likely coincidental, the movie also bears many similarities to the Marvel Comics ''Fantastic Four'' story "The Galactus Trilogy":

* The presence of an enormous world-devouring cosmic entity that threatens to destroy the heroes' home planet (Galactus/Unicron).

* The presence of a single item that is the only thing that can stop said cosmic entity (Ultimate Nullifier/Matrix of Leadership).

* The presence of a herald of said cosmic entity, who ultimately betrays the entity (Silver Surfer/Galvatron).

==Trivia and controversies==

This film was one of the last professional performances by [[Orson Welles]], if not the very last. According to production materials shown at [[BotCon 2000]] by Tim Finn, the voice recording sessions for ''The Transformers: The Movie'' were done on September 10 and 11 of 1985. Welles died on October 10 of that same year. It has often been speculated that Unicron's last line ("Destiny... you cannot destroy my destiny...!") was recorded by another actor{{m-}}possibly [[Leonard Nimoy|Nimoy]]{{m-}}because it sounds different than the other lines. This speculation has been quashed by statements by Transformers voice director [[Wally Burr]].[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/60-astrominutes/wally_burr_3.html]

The Dinobot [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] is mysteriously absent from almost the entire movie (maybe he was scared of getting killed off), even though the Dinobots as a group are featured prominently. It is unclear why this is the case, but one possible explanation is that copies of the script which have come into fans' hands repeatedly list the Dinobots but never make mention of Snarl by name. In fact, at one point the script refers to "the four Dinobots". Despite this, Snarl does appear in three very brief shots, although he has no lines and no action.

Also curiously absent are the 1985 Autobot cars and Mini-Vehicles, such as Inferno, Smokescreen, Cosmos, Warpath, etc. It would seem that these characters were available at the time of the movie:
* Perceptor and Blaster both debuted at the same time in the cartoon as the 1985 cars, and both play prominent roles in the movie.
* Grapple is seen ''very'' briefly during the battle for Autobot City.
* The 1985 Decepticons (Astrotrain, Dirge, etc.) appear in the film.
* Tracks, Red Alert and Smokescreen all appeared in storyboards but not the finished film.

With the exception of Starscream, Unicron, and possibly Shockwave, only the Autobots suffered causalities in the movie. All of the other "dead" Decepticons from the Autobot City battle were rebuilt into Galvatron's new troops, and although more Decepticons were shown taking heavy damage and suffering huge casualties while fighting Unicron, their identities and their condition are uncertain. Additionally, both Starscream and Unicron survived in the post-movie series in some form or another. Shockwave's death in the finished film is highly uncertain, although in the script it is fairly strongly implied. He does make some appearances in crowd shots in later cartoon episodes, but these may be examples of the fairly common animation errors in those episodes.

Originally, Ultra Magnus's "death sequence" on Junkion called for him to be lassoed and drawn and quartered by the Sweeps' energy beams, but this was deemed too graphic for audiences, hence the less disturbing "shot to death" sequence seen instead. There is evidence that the original sequence had been fully animated when the decision was made, however; the Sweeps still kept their solid energy lassos when they fire upon Mags, and Mags is seen visibly straining against what appears to be said lassos (edited out and replaced with laser fire) before exploding.

A number of other sequences were storyboarded but dropped, presumably without ever being animated. Most notable among these was a scene that would have shown the Autobots finally bringing down Devastator with a barrage of missiles (and the Constructicons subsequently shooting Red Alert in the back), and the Decepticons dogpiling Optimus Prime, explaining why he seems to be standing up just before his fight with Megatron.

Rumors have occasionally circulated in the fandom of additional animated footage that was dropped from the film, such as ultra-violent battle scenes. No evidence has ever surfaced to back these claims; the only known edits are those [[#Formatting and Edits|listed below]].

See also [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#The Transformers: The Movie|Urban legends about ''The Transformers: The Movie'']].

==Animation Errors==
There are a few notable animation errors in the movie:

* When the Decepticons are killing the Autobots inside the Autobot shuttle, there is one of the common Starscream/Skywarp/Thundercracker miscolors. Megatron transforms into gun mode and Starscream catches him and kills Brawn. When they cut back to the Decepticons, Starscream is in front of the Constructicons without Megatron and is firing one of his arm rifles (this probably should have been Skywarp or Thundercracker). When they cut back to the Decepticons for the third time, Starscream has Megatron again and is finishing off the rest of the Autobots.

*During the Battle at Autobot City, Starscream gets his leg caught. He shoots downward and gets away while screaming "My Foot!", but its his shin that's smoking while his foot looks fine.

* When Ultra Magnus accepts the Matrix, he's seen inserting it into his chest twice, or at best readjusting its "fit". (Some fans have joked that Mags was forcing the Matrix inside him, as another sign that it had chosen Hot Rod as the new leader and rejected him.)

* Swoop's lower leg appears for a brief second during the Autobot City battle, long before the rest of him gets there.

* When Devastator forms in Autobot City, his chest plate is the same green as the rest of him. In the next shot, it's the usual purple. However, it promptly turns green again in the next shot.

* Not so much an error, but if you watch Sludge when he's haymaker'ed by Devastator, his eyes pop out of their sockets in Looney Tunes fashion.

* When [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] sends out his casette troops, [[FIBRIR|Rumble is the same color as Frenzy]].

* Sunstreaker appears with Huffer, Bluestreak and Kup when they observe Hot Rod firing on Ironhide's shuttle. Sunstreaker later appears as Optimus Prime's co-pilot when they arrive with the Dinobots, and is seen disembarking the shuttle along with Optimus Prime and Hound.

* Hot Rod has at least two totally different transformation schemes during the course of the film.

* When Hot Rod tells the Junkions the universal greeting, the Autobot insignia on his chest is coloured black.

* Even after the [[Battle of Autobot City]], characters who are supposedly dead continue to appear in crowd shots and battles. Shrapnel's role in the fight on [[Junk]] is the most noticable, but Thundercracker and Skywarp can be seen at both Starscream's coronation and flying into Unicron's mouth in the [[RBFATE]].

* When the inside of Unicron is shown after he devours Lithone, the "blinking energy" effect of Unicron's innards was apparently achieved by recycling backgrounds from other animated TV shows or movies. If you go through the scene frame by frame, you will see what appear to be several images of post-apocalyptic buildings inside Unicron.

* There are a couple frames where you can see the inside of one of the Lithonian ships being devoured by Unicron. The pilot of the ship appears to be Kranix, even though he apparently screams out Kranix's name, and Kranix appears later in the Quintesson prison.

* When Optimus Prime takes the Matrix out of his chest to give to Ultra Magnus, there is another Matrix beneath it in his chest. (On which note, see also ''[[Matrix_of_Leadership#Universe|Matrix of Leadership, Universe comic]].'')

* Not technically an error, but definitely an animator's easter egg; in the Quintesson jail cell, robot debris ''strongly'' resembling the RX-178 MK II and the MSZ-006 mobile suits from 1985's ''Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam'', can be seen.

== Continuity Errors ==

* Despite running out of energon goodies on Quintessa, Hot Rod has at least one to offer to the Junkions. Maybe he got some on the ship.

* So Ultra Magnus just happens to have a ready-made Matrix chamber installed in his chest cavity? Is this standard issue for all Autobots?

==Formatting and Edits==
[[Image:Tftm widescreenesque.jpg|thumb|300px|The widescreen picture (left) cuts the top and bottom off the fullscreen picture (right).]]
Although it was billed in some advertisements before its theatrical release as being "widescreen", the movie was in fact animated in a 4:3 (fullscreen) aspect ratio. For its theatrical screenings, the film was matted down in the projector by the projectionist to a 16:9 aspect ratio (widescreen), chopping the top and bottom off the picture, but all video transfers of the movie were done without mattes, meaning that there was actually more picture visible in the fullscreen video and DVD releases than there would have been in theaters. Across 2006 and 2007, new editions of the DVD of the film were released by Sony BMG and [[Metrodome]] which applied the mattes in order to replicate the original theatrical presentation of the film for the first time in home entertainment. Some fans, however, didn't realize that the film wasn't actually ''animated'' in widescreen, and, hearing that the DVD was to be in widescreen, expected to see the fullscreen image with additional footage at the sides, causing them to complain that the top and bottom were cut off, thereby totally missing the point.

Several English-language versions of the film exist, with the following differences in content from the American theatrical run:

* In some versions (notably the European version) the opening credits are replaced with a scrolling text ("''Star Wars'' style") which provides backstory.

* In some versions (notably the European version) the film ends with a narrator reassuring the audience that Optimus Prime will return.

* Instances of swearing in the film (there are two) were edited out; sometimes one, sometimes both. Those instances are: Spike yelling, "Oh shit, what are we gonna do now?" after the self-destructing Moon Base 2 fails to scratch Unicron, and Ultra Magnus growling, "Open, damn it, open!" while trying to open the Matrix to fend off Galvatron and the Sweeps on Junkion. The United Kingdom cinema version had the swearing included but, when it was released on VHS in the United Kingdom, Spike's line was cut. However it has been restored on all United Kingdom DVD releases.

*Instead of DEG, the Rank Film "gong man" appears before the film, as Rank were the United Kingdom distributors.

==International versions==

In Hungary, the movie has two dubs. One of them is ancient and unprofessional, the other more recent and more professional. The second and more disliked one has a reputation among the fans for including more profanities than the original version of the film. Although Spike's "Oh, shit!" line was cut, Ironhide, Galvatron and the Dinobots say terms akin to "assholes", "jerk", "stupid", "rotten", and "ass-wipes" (this one even twice, when referring to the Decepticons). Quite interesting, seeing as the dubs produced in that era have been known for freeing the movies of their swear words. These dubs are also infamous for using untranslated or incorrectly translated names, and random voice actors for random characters with random voice-pacing. These names include Unicornis (Unicron), Mega-robot (Devastator), Constructors (Constructicons), Deceptors (Decepticons), and Jettison (Astrotrain, probably derived and mis-interpreted from the line "Jettison some weight."). The DVD case has G.I. Joe pictures printed on it, as well as on the DVD itself. Spiffy. It's also worth noting that Bumblebee in the 2007 movie has the same voice he had in the second dub of ''The Transformers: The Movie''. Probably a coincidence, since that guy supplied half of the voices for the cast back then.

Also in Germany, there are two dubs. The first one was made in 1994 for airing on TV (the movie was never shown in German theaters) as a pilot for the broadcasting of the G2 series. Even though the dub was made only three years after the G1 dub was made, only a few of the German voice actors returned. For example, the voice of Optimus Prime was dubbed by [[Thomas Rau]], who was the voice of Rodimus Prime, Blaster and Scourge on the original show. This version of the movie was only shown twice, on its premiere and one day later as a rerun, and was never released on VHS. In 2003, a new dub was made for the movie's DVD release.

German fans are still waiting for a release of the original dub, which features rather brutal translations, e.g.: ''One shall stand, one shall fall'' was translated as ''One shall live, one shall die,'' while [[Megatron]]'s line ''I'll rip out your optics'' was translated as ''I'm going to blow your lights out.''

The Movie was released in Brazilian theaters almost simultaneously to the launch of the series on television. It was later released on home video on the late '80s, but on a very small scale, which made it very hard to find in video stores. The movie was aired on television just once and received a new dub for this. [[Brazilian dubs for the Movie|Which dubbing is the best]] is a regular debate topic among Brazilian fans.

For French-speaking audiences, who had thus far been given two separate dubs of the TV series (one done in France and one done in Quebec, a very common occurrence), a single dub was made for all French releases of the film. This release used a brand-new voice actor team rather than using either dub team from the series. Whereas the old dubs used the French names from the toy packages, the movie used all of the characters' English names. Two characters were given gender changes for this dub; Starscream and Shrapnel both become females. One notable change to the dialog occurs when Starscream asks "Megatron? Is that you?" Galvatron's original answer, "Here's a hint!", is now much more direct: "Yes, but stronger than before!"

In Poland, the movie was never professionally dubbed. In the only official (and cult classic) release on VHS in 1992, all the dialogue was read by a single voice-over actor, while the original sound was left intact and could be heard in the background. To this day, that characteristic form of "narrating" is a very popular solution in Poland when it comes to translating movies for TV or DVDs. Thanks to this method, you can both understand the story and hear all the original voices. In case of ''The Transformers: The Movie'' it also forced translators to leave (almost) all the original names intact. (Yay!)

The Japanese dub is notable for adding a lot of lines and voice effects. Whereas the shuttle attack scene didn't have much talking during combat in the English version, the Japanese dub adds numerous lines to many characters on both sides of the fight. Likewise, Prime's fight with Megatron has numerous grunts added in.

==Commercial Releases==

* The movie was originally released in North America on home video in 1987 by Family Home Entertainment, minus Spike's swear. Not long after, it was releasd in the UK by Video Gems. This version featured the opening text crawl and closing narration inherent to the UK version of the film. In Australia, the film was releaed on video by RCA/Columbia Pictures/Hoyts. In Japan, Hillcrane released a Laserdisc version alongside a VHS copy.

*The movie was realeased spottily in the 90s, beginning with a budget VHS by Avid Home Entertainment in 1991. Malofilm released a VHS in Canada in 1995, notable for being the first home entertainment version to include Spike's swear. In 1998, Japanese company Pioneer produced another pair of Laserdisc and VHS releases. In 1999, things kicked off when American company [[Kid Rhino]] secured the Transformers license and released the film on VHS once again.

*The 21st century's flirtation with ''The Transformers: The Movie'' started with a UK budget VHS release of that country's version by [[Maverick Entertainment]]. A Japanese company called CatCo followed this up with a VideoCD, and Malofilm{{m-}}now Seville{{m-}}were the first to release a DVD version of the film, though it was just a dump of their VHS version.

*In November 2000, ''The Transformers: The Movie'' got its first, full professional DVD release from Kid Rhino. This edition, labelled a "Special Collector's Edition", is the first to feature remastered video and audio, and several special features, including storyboards and an interview with [[Vince DiCola]]. Rhino concurrently released this version on VHS, sans extras.

*In 2001 in the UK, Maverick Entertainment released their own much-delayed DVD version of the film. It was the UK version of the film, but included Spike's swear. However, the release was burdened by badly interlaced video, though notably included the [[StarTV]] dub version of the ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]]'' episode "[[Four Warriors Come out of the Sky]]" as an extra. This version (including the ''Headmasters'' episode) was simultaneously released on VHS.

*The movie was released on DVD in Australia in 2003 by [[Madman Entertainment]], using the same video as the Maverick version, but distinguished by some nifty new cover art by [[Don Figueroa]], and special features not seen on other editions, such as [[The Touch]] music video and 80s TV spots.

[[Image:Tftm_uk_covers.jpg|right|thumb|The UK poster art (left) has been the most common DVD and VHS cover in its home country, but the Ultimate Edition featured new art by Andy Wildman (right).]]

*After acquiring the license to release ''Transformers'' DVDs in the UK, [[Metrodome]] focused on completing their run of series box sets before turning their attention to the movie properly, releasing only a cheap budget DVD of the UK version through Prism Leisure with no extras, and a UMD of the same version.

*In 2005, Metrodome released "Transformers: The Movie - Reconstructed", a new version of the film designed to expose as much of the animated picture as possible. This, however, only resulted in exposing the rough, unfinished edges of the animation, and an overly pale remaster was compounded by excessive interlacing due to an unnecessary NTSC to PAL transfer. This, coupled with a 5.1 remix from [[Magno Sound]], featuring the same extra sound effects that they added to Rhino's season box sets, made this release both controversial and disappointing to many. This was the first time that the US version of the movie was released in the UK, and the first to feature the US poster art as a cover (although a Silverscreen store exclusive version of the disc included a reversible cover with the UK poster art as well). Extras include trailers, TV spots, the character biographies from the Madman release, and a subtitled version of "[[Four Warriors Come out of the Sky]]".

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[[Image:Tftm_sony_covers.jpg|right|thumb|Sony's covers, by Don Figueroa.]]

*For the movie's 20th anniversary in 2006, new license holder [[Sony]] BMG released a two-disc special edition of the film, featuring both a high-quality widescreen remaster and the original fullscreen version, audio commentaries from crew and fans, several new featurettes interviewing those involved in the movie's production, storyboards, tv spots, American and Japanese commercials and more. Most notably, this version included the first Western release of "[[Scramble City]]", albeit silent and unsubtitled, featuring only audio commentary. This release featured two covers by Don Figueroa: one is of the '84-'85 cast that appear in the movie, and one is of the movie's new characters, available either as a lenticular hologram that switches between the two, or as a reversible sleeve with the images printed on either side.

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[[Image:Tftm_madman_covers.jpg|right|thumb|Madman's 2003 DVD cover (left), and their 2007 Special Edition cover (right).]]

*Delayed a bit to coincide with the hype for the 2007 [[Transformers (2007)|live-action movie]], Metrodome also released a two-disc "Ultimate Edition" with a different widescreen master. Like "Reconstructed", this version used the US edition of the film, but this time, the UK version was also included, in fullscreen, on the second disc. Extras include TV spots, commercials, the Madman biographies, storyboards, commentary, Scramble City (with audio and subtitles), featurettes with [[Flint Dille]] and [[Peter Cullen]], and more. The double-disc edition was sold in a steel case featuring new art by [[Andrew Wildman]], with the UK poster art adorning the standard case inside. Various store exclusives were available, including postcards from Play.Com, a reversible cover with the US poster art from HMV, art cards from Virgin Megastore and posters from Woolworths and Toys R Us. It was also available in an extra-less single-disc version. This version was premiered at the Mid Ulster Film Festival in Ireland which was the only cinema showing of the remastered version of the film to date.

*The film was released in Full HD 1080p on Blu-ray in the UK in October 2007. The Blu-ray is not region-locked, so it will play anywhere in the world. It features a 2.0 soundtrack, 5.1 Dolby Digital track, and a full bitrate DTS 5.1 track. The master used was the same used by Sony for their US DVD. The picture is quite stunning and the sound very good. Sadly, there are no extras on the DVD. The version of the film on the Blu-ray is the US one, complete with swear word.

*Madman produced their two-disc special edition through some collaboration with Metrodome, and consequently it features much of the same content, with additional extras taking the form of The Touch music video and a bonus episode of ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]''. This release again features cover artwork by Don Figueroa, specifically the cover of [[IDW]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' adaptation.

==Comic Adaptations==
*[[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel Comics)|A comic adaptation of the movie]] was published by [[Marvel Comics]] in 1986, concurrently with the movie's theater run. It was based off a non-finalized version of the script, and differs in many details from the final film. Additionally, most of the major character models (and possibly their unedited original character write-ups) appear in Issue #4 of the ''[[Transformers Universe (Marvel Comics)|Transformers Universe]]'' series.

*A four-part adaptation was released in 2006/2007 by [[IDW Publishing]], as part of the film's 20th anniversary celebration. It was titled ''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' to differentiate it from the [[Michael Bay]] [[Transformers (2007)|live-action film]]. Unlike its predecessor, it adheres rigidly to the script and plot of the finished movie.

==Promotions==
* The movie was advertised on related 1986 toy packages via the [[Decipher the Decepticon]] Sweepstakes, which included a pack-in poster and contest.

==Soundtrack==
Released on Scotti Bros. Records, the soundtrack to the movie was made available in both vinyl LP (long-playing) record form and audio cassette. At an undetermined point in the 90's, it was released on CD as well (there are no new markings on the CD booklet or outer case to indicate when the CD was released).

*1. The Touch - [[Stan Bush]]
*2. Instruments Of Destruction - [[N.R.G.]]
*3. Death Of Optimus Prime - [[Vince DiCola]]
*4. Dare - Stan Bush
*5. Nothin's Gonna Stand In Our Way - [[Spectre General]]
*6. The Transformers (Theme) - [[Lion]]
*7. Escape - Vince DiCola
*8. Hunger - Spectre General
*9. Autobot/Decepticon Battle - Vince DiCola
*10. Dare To Be Stupid - [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]

In 1997, the newly-formed [[3H]] produced as a [[BotCon 1997]] [[exclusive]] a double-CD set called ''[['Til All Are One (CD)|'Til All Are One]]''. The second disc contains the all of the background score (by Vince DiCola) that was not on the original soundtrack, including several "alternate" pieces for scenes that used songs from the original soundtrack, plus "[[Legacy]]", the audition piece that got Vince the job. Other albums released by 3H which include music from the movie are ''BotCon 97: The Concert'', ''The Protoform Sessions'', ''Artistic Transformations'', and ''Lighting Their Darkest Hour: The Complete Music Score''. All of these 3H albums are long since sold out.

On May 29, 2007, Legacy Recordings re-released the soundtrack in a 20th Anniversary Edition containing the above tracks from the original 1986 release plus these additional tracks:

*11. Unicron Medley - Vince DiCola
*12. Moon Base 2 - Shuttle Launch - Vince DiCola
*13. Megatron Must Be Stopped (Parts 1 and 2) - Vince DiCola
*14. The Transformers Theme (Alternate) - Stan Bush and Vince DiCola

==In the comic continuity==

The [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|Marvel UK comic]] made extensive use of the Movie as the basis for a series of stories involving the Transformers in the future. However there are several differences between the events seen on screen and those referenced in the comic:

*The comic always dates the move to 2006, following the date given in a treatment that was all [[Simon Furman]] had when he wrote [[Target: 2006]].
*In Target: 2006, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] states that he was previously "Life Spark".
*The Matrix is always called the "Creation Matrix" in the comic, a name that predates the "Matrix of Leadership" but which is now used for the same physical object.
*[[Brawn]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] both survive the events, both later appearing in [[Space Pirates!]] (set in 2008).

In addition Shockwave definitely survives the attack by Unicron.

The US comic ignored the events of the Movie, though later in the run an alternative future is briefly shown in [[Rhythms of Darkness!]] and [[A Savage Circle]]. In this timeline at least some of the events of the Movie took place such as the creation of Galvatron from Megatron, which is dated to 2005.

==External links==
* [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers.htm ''The Transformers: The Movie''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s box office domestic gross.]

* [http://www.tftm.net/ ''The Transformers: The Movie'' "Unofficial Fansite", an extremely thorough site about the movie]

* [http://www.wombatking.com/coppermine/thumbnails.php?album=4 ''The Transformers: The Movie'' deleted storyboards]

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