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Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)

2015-01-24T18:58:09Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

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'''Transformers: Robots in Disguise''' is a [[franchise]] that will be launched in 2015. As part of the [[Aligned continuity family]], it is a direct continuation of the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon, and focuses on [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] and a ragtag group of [[Autobot]]s travelling to Earth to round up [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s most dangerous [[Decepticon]] criminals. Its Japanese counterpart is called ''[[Transformers Adventure]]''.

The ''Robots in Disguise'' franchise consists of:

*[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Toyline]]
*[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Cartoon]]
*[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|Mobile game]]
*[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 comics)|Comic book series]]

[[Category: Robots in Disguise (2015)]]

Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)

2014-06-29T03:28:28Z

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[[File:Rise Of The Dark Spark Cover.jpg|thumb|300px|Fanwank: The Game]]

'''''Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark''''' is a video game jointly-created by both [[Hasbro]] and [[Activision Blizzard|Activision]], released on June 24, [[2014]] in Europe and North America, and June 25 in Australia<ref>http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/05/transformers-rise-of-the-dark-spark-release-date-revealed</ref>. Developed by [[Edge of Reality]] for the PlayStation 3, PlayStation 4, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Wii U and PC and by [[WayForward Technologies]] for the Nintendo 3DS<ref>[http://www.examiner.com/article/transformers-rise-of-the-dark-spark-announced-3ds-version-to-be-strategy-rpg "Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark" announced; 3DS version to be Strategy RPG]</ref>, it appears to incorporate elements of both the ''Transformers'' [[Live-action film series|film franchise]] and the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' / ''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron]]'' games. The story will take place before the Ark is launched in the Aligned continuity, while it also occurs simultaneously with the events of ''Age of Extinction'' and its aftermath. The 3DS version has over 50 Transformers characters and epic 3D battle sequences, while the console version has over 40 playable characters. <ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/new-rise-of-the-dark-spark-preview-from-game-informer-179722/</ref>

==Synopsis==
===Chapter I: The Dark Spark===
:'' Character: [[Drift (ROTF)|Drift]] ''

===Chapter II: The Lost Vault===
:'' Characters: [[Soundwave (WFC)]]/ [[Shockwave (WFC)]]''

===Chapter III: Getaway===
:'' Character: [[Sideswipe (WFC)]]''

===Chapter IV: Possession===
:'' Character: [[Sharpshot]]''

===Chapter V: Hustle===
:'' Character: [[Swindle (FOC)]]''

===Chapter VI: Gates of Kaon===
:'' Characters: [[Swindle (FOC)]]/ [[Bruticus (WFC)]]''

===Chapter VII: Infiltration===
:'' Character: [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]]''

===Chapter VIII: A Desperate Plan===
:'' Character: [[Jetfire (WFC)]]''

===Chapter IX: Ascension===
:'' Character: [[Optimus Prime (WFC)]]''

===Chapter X: Hunted ===
:'' Character: [[Bumblebee (Movie)]] ''

===Chapter XI: Investigation ===
:'' Characters: [[Bumblebee (Movie)]]/ [[Drift (ROTF)|Drift]] ''

===Chapter XII: Ambushed===
:''Characters: [[Drift (ROTF)|Drift]]/ [[Grimlock (AOE)]]''

===Chapter XIII: Extinction===
:'' Character: [[Grimlock (AOE)]]''

===Chapter XIII: Locked Down===
:'' Character: [[Optimus Prime (Movie)]]''

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Movie Autobots
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Drift (ROTF)|Drift]] ([[Chris Jai Alex]])
*[[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]] ([[Gregg Berger]])

|h2=Movie Decepticons
|c2=
*[[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] (Gregg Berger)
*[[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]] (via [[Walmart]] pre-order)

|h3=Aligned Autobots
|c3=
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] (Peter Cullen)
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (WFC)|Jazz]] ([[Troy Baker]])
*[[Jetfire (WFC)|Jetfire]] (Troy Baker)
*[[Sideswipe (WFC)|Sideswipe]] ([[Travis Willingham]])
*[[Cliffjumper (WFC)|Cliffjumper]] ([[Nolan North]])
*[[Ironhide (WFC)|Ironhide]] ([[Keith Szarabajka]])
*[[Hound (Prime)|Hound]]
*[[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]
*[[Air Raid (WFC)|Air Raid]]
*[[Scattershot (WFC)|Scattershot]]
*[[Snarl (FOC)| Snarl]]
*[[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]] ([[Jim Ward]])
*[[Warpath (WFC)|Warpath]]
*[[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]]
*[[Slug (FOC)|Slug]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (Prime)|Ultra Magnus]]
|h4=Aligned Decepticons
|c4=
*[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] ([[Fred Tatasciore]])
*[[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] ([[Sam Riegel]])
*[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] ([[Steve Blum]])
*[[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] ([[Isaac C. Singleton, Jr.]])
*[[Rumble (WFC)|Rumble]] ([[Keith Silverstein]])
*[[Laserbeak (WFC)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Swindle (FOC)|Swindle]] (Steve Blum)
*[[Brawl (WFC)|Brawl]]
*[[Onslaught (WFC)|Onslaught]] (Travis Willingham)
*[[Blast Off (FOC)|Blast Off]] (Keith Silverstein)
*[[Vortex (FOC)|Vortex]] ([[Dave Boat]])
*[[Bruticus (WFC)|Bruticus]] (Nolan North)
*[[Kickback (FOC)|Kickback]] (Troy Baker)
*[[Sharpshot|Sharpshot]] (Steve Blum)
*[[Hardshell (Prime)|Hardshell]] ([[Scott Whyte]])
*[[Thundercracker (WFC)|Thundercracker]] (via Gamestop pre-order)
*[[Skywarp (WFC)|Skywarp]] (via Gamestop pre-order)
*[[Quake (FOC)|Quake]]
*[[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]]
*[[Dead End (WFC)|Dead End]]
*[[Dragstrip (WFC)|Dragstrip]]
*[[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]]
|h5=Other
|c5=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 Optimus Prime]] (Peter Cullen)

|nonumbering=true
}}

==Quotes==
"Soundwave, did Shockwave make a ''joke'' back there? 
"AFFIRMATIVE." 
"Was it intentional? 
"AFFIRMATIVE" 
"You know Soundwave, you've become quite the conversationalist." 
"AFFIRMATIVE"
:-'''Starscream''' and '''Soundwave''' discuss Shockwave's brief moment of humor.

''[A failed headshot prompts the Decepticon [[Titan (Unit)|Titan]] to turn towards Bee and Drift]'' 
'''Bumblebee:''' ''[Surprised beeps]'' 
'''Drift''': Bee, I have formed a plan: '''Run!'''
:-'''Drift''', coming up with brilliant impromptu plans.

'''Swindle:''' "No sign of the bug ''[Sharpshot]''. Oh well, can't say I'm sad to see him go." 
'''Shockwave:''' "Are you implying that you two were not forming a ''long and lasting bond of friendship''?" 
''' Swindle:''' "You can't be serious?"
:-'''Shockwave''' discusses with Swindle about his <s> slash fic </s> observations of the two.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The Cybertron portion of the game occurs between ''War for Cybertron'' and ''Fall of Cybertron'' – the ''[[Ark (WFC)|Ark]]'' is under construction, [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon]] still lies where he crashed, and we see Shockwave discover the [[Insecticon (WFC)|Insecticons]] for the first time. However, there is one notable inconsistency – see 'Errors' below.
*Audio logs speak of the [[Patterner|Patterners]] and [[Galvatron (COP)|Galvatron]] indicating that studies of the Dark Spark took place during The Age of Origins in [[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus| The Covenant of Primus]]
*The Age of Extinction portion seems to take place some time after Optimus Prime released the Dinobots, placing it in the last 20 minutes of the film. However, by the end of the game Lockdown has not been defeated by Prime.

===Errors===
*Despite the game's script clearly positioning it before the events of ''Fall of Cybertron'', Megatron is depicted in the new body he acquired only part-way through that game.
* Additionally, the previous game's dialogue implied that the events depicted were the first time Optimus and Megatron had met after the former officially became a Prime ("Optimus Prime, that is what they call you now, isn't it?"), yet this game depicts them meeting prior to that circumstance.
*Another hiccup is the fact that Vortex encounters a Titan during his sabotage mission in ''Fall of Cybertron''. However, the Autobots send several Titans into battle in this game, so he really should not have been confused to see one. This isn't as major as the points above, however, as he could have assumed the Autobots had none left. Plus, he was an arm at the time.

===Trivia===
* ''Rise of the Dark Spark'' marks a [[PlayStation]] 4 milestone by being the very first game to support the PlayStation Store pre-loading feature introduced in the console's 1.70 update.<ref>[http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/06/18/pre-order-pre-load-upcoming-ps4-games/ PlayStation Blog: Pre-Order, Pre-Load Upcoming PS4 Games]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Italian:'' '''''Transformers: The Dark Spark'''''

==References==
{{reflist}}

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==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj-lD5gthQ8 Announcement trailer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMfLEbUqGyQ G1 Optimus Prime trailer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0azQrLC07OI Bumblebee trailer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKT6KeuEGi0 Gameplay trailer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bae87EGy-1E Bruticus trailer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMZn4uBsOAY Grimlock trailer]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=288YItFXPfI Gampelay trailer - Escalation]

[[Category:Video games]]

Lockdown (ROTF)

2014-06-28T17:11:11Z

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{{disambig3|Lockdown}}
:''Lockdown is a bounty hunter commonly allied with the [[Decepticon]]s from the [[Movie continuity|live-action movie continuity]].''
{{spoiler|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|July 28}}
[[File:AOE Lockdown walks.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5||In 2007, we were all pretty sure there would be a fourth live-action ''Transformers'' movie with Lockdown as the main villain.]]

Even the Decepticons are afraid of ''this'' guy, because once '''Lockdown''' has been hired to track down a subject, nothing stops him from completing his transaction short of total deactivation! Unfortunately for the [[Autobot]] medic, [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] is Lockdown's next target, and Lockdown, as always, has been paid handsomely for his destruction. He's also run afoul of [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] previously, in some unspecified circumstance.<ref>Hasbro's website describes both Arcee and Ratchet as Lockdown's enemy on their respective pages, mirroring their relationship in ''Animated''.</ref>

Using his [[Supercharger]], he stores the kinetic energy from racing in his alternate form and uses it to boost his own speed for short bursts. This is his favorite device... because his favorite tactic is to catch up with targets and sink in his [[Capture Hook]] for the up-close-and-''personal'' kill.<ref name="BB">Lockdown's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841165f8-19b9-f369-1057-0b57c1e069b6 Battle Bio.]</ref>

He trained [[Axor]] a long time ago, and the younger hunter has even ''rebuilt himself'' to better resemble Lockdown (though he denies it if you ask). He views his mentor as his closest comrade, which Lockdown has been willing to let him believe.<ref>Axor's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841165f8-19b9-f369-1057-0b57c1e069b6 Battle Bio]</ref> ''His'' closest comrade is Megatron, cos that's who's currently paying him, in [[energon star|energon chips]]!<ref name="BB"/>

{{quote|Science will not win this war!|Says the transforming giant robot|[[Cyber Missions 3|''Cyber Missions'' #3]]}}

==Fiction==
===Cyber Missions===
{{voiceactor|[[Bronco D. Jackson]] (English)|[[Juan Carlos Tinoco]] (Latin American-Spanish)}}
[[Image:CyberMissions3-Lockdown.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Lockdown is bad at missions that involve cyber because he only has one hand.]]

Lockdown was cruising the city streets when he was encountered by [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], who had been alerted to Lockdown's presence by [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] due to their "violent history". For blocks, Lockdown fled Ratchet silently as the Autobot fired his [[EMP]] blaster until he transformed into robot mode and expressed his frustration. Finally, when Ratchet's EMP blaster failed him, Lockdown transformed as well. He mocked Ratchet for never being able to best him, knocked him around, and when the Autobot had had enough, the Decepticon bounty hunter stole Ratchet's EMP blaster as a memento. As Lockdown sped away, he wondered if he could fix Ratchet's faulty weapon. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 3|Cyber Missions #3}}

Later, Lockdown managed to evade [[Diego Garcia]]'s security measures and sneak into Autobot Headquarters undetected. After cutting power to the facilities, he snuck up behind [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] in the target practice range. Ratchet's EMP blaster, attached to Lockdown's arm, was now in proper working order, and the bounty hunter vowed to also take Sideswipe's new sidearms. Lockdown was shocked when the EMP blaster was shot off his arm and out of his reach by Ratchet. Wounded, the Decepticon fled. Unfortunately for Lockdown, he retreated to the medical bay, where Ratchet's surgical tools restrained and sedated him. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 7|Cyber Missions #7}}

Later, Lockdown and [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] confronted [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]. Looking to steal one of Ironhide's weapons, Lockdown took a missile instead, which blew up in his face. The explosion damaged his optics, so he fled. {{storylink|Cyber Missions 11|Cyber Missions #11}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===

Lockdown had been captured by [[NEST]] under unknown circumstances... only to become part of [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon's]] jailbreak! He joined Bludgeon's splinter cell of Decepticons and took great pleasure in talking out all his "hurting" on [[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.13|Inside Out!}}

When the Autobots tracked down the Decepticon base in [[]], Lockdown was ordered to prepare an ambush for them. He loyally served Bludgeon in this until Megatron arrived {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.20|Divided Loyalties}}, and then he not-so-loyally ran away. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.21|A Short, Sharp Lesson!}}

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===IDW Publishing ''Revenge of the Fallen'' comics===
[[Image:Nefarious_5_lockdown.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Is that you, Lockdown?]]
A partly-green robot with a hook in place of his right hand was among the Transformers captured by the [[Initiative]] and mind-controlled into doing their bidding. When Optimus Prime and the Autobots assaulted the Initiative's mobile headquarters, the brainwashed Lockdown, [[Thrust (ROTF)|Thrust]] and another Transformer battled [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]], [[Dune Runner (ROTF)|Dune Runner]] and [[Knock Out (ROTF)|Knock Out]]. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}} They were eventually subdued. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 6|Nefarious #6}}
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===''Unite for the Universe''===
Lockdown was part of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s small group who planned to apply [[Project Unite|Project: Unite]] to Decepticons. After reporting to Starscream that [[Skystalker (ROTF)|Skystalker]] had found that some Autobots were approaching their base in [[Greece]], he moved out to attack them and cut down [[Breacher]]. His victory was short-lived, though, as he was swiftly defeated and captured by [[Sea Spray]] and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]. {{storylink|Unite for the Universe issue 2|Bludgeon's Revenge}}

===''How to Ride your Dinobot'' cartoon===

Lockdown found himself cornered by the duo of [[Slug (AOE)|Slug]] and [[Drift (ROTF)|Drift]], but to the bounty hunter's luck, Drift was an inexperienced Dinobot rider indeed. Lockdown impatiently waited for Drift to get his act together and attack him already, but to Lockdown's amusement, Drift fried himself with Slug's weaponry. However, it turned out to be a bad day for all, since Lockdown got zapped too.

One must wonder why Lockdown didn't flee while Drift spent a long time trying to figure out Slug's weaponry...

{{storylink|How to Fight}}

===''Age of Extinction'' film===
{{voiceactor|[[Mark Ryan]] (English)|}}
{{quote|Do you think you were born? No. You were built! And your creators, they want you back.|Lockdown to Optimus}}
[[Image:Aoe-lockdown-hook.jpg|thumb|right|350px|I have a [[Lockdown (Animated)|hook]] now, happy?]]

Working for the Transformer race's creators, Lockdown works to hunt down [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] with the help of a human organization called Cemetery Wind who he promises the Seed, a device that can cyber-form a massive area of land. Lockdown helps Cemetery Wind take down [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and demands Optimus' location from him. When Ratchet refuses, Lockdown rips his spark from his chest, killing him. Lockdown later aids in the search for Optimus, fighting him across Paris, Texas, but eventually loses him, killing [[Cade Yeager]]'s friend Lucas along the way. Later, while Optimus is fleeing [[Galvatron (AOE)|Galvatron]], Lockdown ambushes him and takes him and [[Tessa Yeager]] captive, explaining that he is working for the Creators and that they want Optimus and gives the humans the Seed as payment for their help. Locking him up with the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]], Lockdown takes off into space, unaware that the Autobots have rescue Optimus. Eventually figuring it out, Lockdown returns to Earth where he uses a magnetic weapon to pull vehicles into the air and drop them on the Autobots. After Optimus destroys the weapon, Lockdown descends to Hong Kong to battle him in person. Optimus and Lockdown have a vicious fight, aided by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], Cade Yeager, [[Tessa Yeager]] and [[Shane Dyson]]. Lockdown gets the upper hand when Optimus is distracted for a moment with killing [[Harold Attinger]] to save Cade. Lockdown impales Optimus with his own sword, but before he can finish him, Optimus' allies resume their attack on him. Preparing to kill Cade, Lockdown doesn't notice that Shane and Tessa have freed Optimus who stabs Lockdown through the spark with his sword then cuts his head in half, killing Lockdown. Before taking off with the humans, Optimus uses one of Lockdown's grenades to finish the remaining KSI drones. {{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons''===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Joey Camen]]
[[Image:DOTMDS Lockdown.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
On [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s orders as relayed by [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], Lockdown broke into a [[NEST]] facility and stole information from the super-computer relating to NEST operations in the Pacific. When he had finished basking in his victory, he sent the data to Starscream, who ordered Lockdown to investigate a reactivated [[Sector Seven|Sector 7]] base, and the Decepticon ended up tangling with [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]. He was later called on again to provide a diversion by destroying communication arrays in an Autobot base as part of Megatron's plan to reactivate [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. {{Storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons}}

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==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
[[Image:ROTF_deluxe_Lockdown.jpg|thumb|right|300px|[[Lockdown (Animated)|Almost identical]].]]
* '''Lockdown''' (Deluxe, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-26'''
**''Accessories'': Engine

:Lockdown's design strongly homages his [[Lockdown (Animated)|''Transformers Animated'' counterpart]], but with a completely different transformation. Once again, Lockdown transforms into an amalgam of a 1980s Corvette and a 1960s Cougar, with lots of spikes and a cow-catcher on his bumper. The toy's [[Mech Alive]] feature rotates cylinders inside his thighs as his lower legs rotate, and pneumatic cylinders extend as his [[Capture Hook]] is deployed.

:Lockdown may have the most articulated neck ever for a Transformer, having two ball joints and a swivel joint. Craziness.

:Similar to his ''Animated'' counterpart, Lockdown's arm-mounted hot rod engine weapon can be removed and can be replaced by ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]'s weapon. Likewise, Ratchet can store Lockdown's engine on his roof; it cannot, however, attach to his arm. Interestingly, the plug for Lockdown's engine is the same general shape as the plug for ''Animated'' Lockdown's EMP blaster/engine, but smaller; as such, it isn't compatible with ''Animated'' Lockdown, or with ''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] or [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]], for that matter.

:This mold was retooled to make [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010]] [[Axor]] as well as [[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]] [[Circuit (Movie)|Circuit]]. This toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/Lockdown/lockdown.htm More information on Lockdown at TFU.info]''

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===Age of Extinction===
====Generations====
*'''Lockdown''' (Deluxe, 2014)
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====Robots in Disguise====
{{anchor|Flip&Change}}
[[Image:AoE flip and change Lockdown.jpg|right|350px|thumb]]
*'''Lockdown''' (Flip & Change, 2014)

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*'''Lockdown''' (One Step Changers, 2014)
[[File:Aoe-one-step-changers-lockdown.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]

:Similar to an Activators toy, Lockdown can transform into a robot by pressing a button on his vehicle mode.

{{-}}{{anchor|TitanHeroes}}
*'''Lockdown''' (Titan Heroes, 2014)
{{comingsoontoy}}

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====Kre-O====
:*''See: '''[[Lockdown (Kre-O)]]'''''

====Construct-Bots====
:*''See: '''[[Lockdown (Construct-Bots)]]'''''

==Merchandise==
===Robot Powered Machines===
[[Image:RPMMetalHeroesLockdown.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*'''Lockdown''' (2010)
**''Series'': '''Metal Heroes'''
**''Number'': '''08'''

:''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' Mini-Vehicle Lockdown is a small, non-transforming, [[die-cast]] rendition of his vehicle mode. His robot mode is sculpted underneath the vehicle, and his wheels use through-axle construction that lets the toy zip around at high speeds on smooth surfaces.

:The intended ''RPM'' release of "Metal Heroes" Lockdown never came out. Though it eventually saw release in ''Speed Stars'', the ''RPM'' version had more paint operations, featuring a painted cowcatcher, engine and roof spikes. While only "Stunticon" Lockdown was officially listed during the run of the ''RPM'' series (on the back of the Asian market release of ''RPM'' "Stunticon" [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]), images of the two were revealed by a downloadable poster on the official ''Transformers'' website of Turkey.

{{canceledrpmspeedstar}}

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[[Image:RPMStunticonLockdown.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Lockdown''' (2010)
**''Series'': '''Stunticon'''
**''Number'': '''03'''

:"Stunticon" Lockdown was to have been a redeco of "Metal Heroes" Lockdown in black, purple and red. While "Stunticon" Lockdown was officially listed during the run of the ''RPM'' series (on the back of the Asian market release of ''RPM'' "Stunticon" [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]), the only image of it was revealed by a downloadable poster on the official ''Transformers'' website of Turkey.

{{canceledrpmspeedstar}}

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===Speed Stars===
[[Image:SpeedStars_MetalHeroes_Lockdown.jpg|thumb|right|250px|He needs the bounty money to complete his dream of a solid gold butt tattoo.]]
[[Image:MetalHeroesLockdownPoster.jpg|thumb|250px|Pimp my Bounty Hunter.]]
*'''Lockdown''' (2010)
**''Series'': '''Metal Heroes'''
**''Number'': '''08'''

:''[[Speed Stars]]'' Lockdown is a small, non-transforming, [[die-cast]] rendition of his vehicle mode. His robot mode is sculpted underneath the vehicle, and his wheels use through-axle construction that lets the toy zip around at high speeds on smooth surfaces.

:When shown at [[BotCon 2010]], Lockdown had a completely different color scheme, being predominantly gold with blue flames on his hood, green hubcaps, a red engine, and a gray bumper and spoiler. Though this version of "Metal Heroes" Lockdown was also depicted on a downloadable poster on the ''Speed Stars'' website, the toy was eventually released using Lockdown's proper colors.

:This mold was also used to make ''Speed Stars'' Stunticon Series [[Axel]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Decepticon/SpeedStarsLockdown/lockdown.htm More information on ''Speed Stars'' Lockdown at TFU.info]''

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*'''Lockdown''' (2011?)
**''Series'': '''Stunticon'''
**''Number'': '''03'''

:"Stunticon" Lockdown is a redeco of his previous ''Speed Stars'' toy in black, purple and red - or ''was'' back when the line was ''Robot Powered Machines'' (see above). Though Lockdown is listed on the back of ''Speed Stars'' Stunticon [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]'s packaging, a Lockdown redeco named Axor was shown as part of the Stunticon series at [[BotCon 2010]] (who was in turn named as Axel on the ''Speed Stars'' website). Given there were a few wholesale deco changes between ''RPMs'' and ''Speed Stars'' within series, it's possible that Lockdown's place in the Stunticons was taken by Axor/Axel... but considering that ALL of these items seem to be canceled, it's impossible to say for certain.

{{canceledrpmspeedstar}}

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===Dark of the Moon===
====Speed Stars====
[[Image:DOTMNintendoDSDecepticonsLockdown.jpg|thumb|]]
*'''Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Decepticons''' (2011)

:An original redeco of the ''RPM''/''Speed Stars'' Lockdown mold was included as a free pack-in with certain editions of the ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: Autobots/Decepticons|Dark of the Moon: Decepticons]]'' Nintendo DS video game.

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[[Image:DOTMSpeedStarsBeastMachinesLockdown.jpg|thumb|]]
*'''Lockdown''' (2011)
**''Series'': '''Beast Machines'''
**''Number'': '''03 of 03'''

:"Beast Machines" Lockdown is a redeco of the ''Speed Stars'' Lockdown mold in light grey and green with silver, snake-themed markings.

{{canceledrpmspeedstar}}
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==Notes==
* The head on ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Deluxe Lockdown's instruction lineart is actually that of his retool, [[Axor]]. The head can be seen in much clearer detail on page 8 of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]] [[Hasbro Design Sketchbook]], volume 2.
* Much like his namesake, Lockdown goes from having a [[size changing|relatively Deluxe-sized vehicle mode to a towering, Leader-sized robot mode]].

===Foreign names===
*''Hungarian:'' '''Vesztegzár''' ("Quarantine")

==References==
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[[Category:Age of Extinction Decepticons]]
[[Category:Bounty hunters]]
[[Category:Cyber Missions characters]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Decepticons]]

Drift (AOE)

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:''Drift is an [[Decepticon]]-turned-[[Autobot]] from the from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] portion of the [[live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:AOEDrift.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|| ''I woke up in a new Bugatti...'']]
A former [[Decepticon]] turned Autobot commando, '''Drift'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s strength lies not only in his mastery of ancient swords, but in his composure in battle.

==Fiction==
===''How to Ride your Dinobot'' cartoon===
[[File:Htryd-chapter-3-drift-random-buttons.jpg|right|400px|thumb|"Now my cornered friend, let me practice my Dinobot attacks on you"...]]
Drift and [[Slug (AOE)|Slug]] had cornered [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] inside a barn, but alas, Drift had to learn how to attack with his Dinobot steed. Due to a lack of accurate instructions, Drift activated pretty much every button on Slug, activating everything but the weaponry. Some time later, Drift finally struck gold and activated the heavy weaponry... only to be immediately fried, much to his and Slug's disappointment.
{{storylink|How to Fight}}

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===''Age of Extinction'' (film)===
{{voiceactor|[[Ken Watanabe]] (English)|}}
{{coming soon|when=June 27, 2014}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)}}

==Toys==
===Age of Extinction===
====Robots in Disguise====
=====Flip & Change=====
[[Image:AoE flip and change Drift.jpg|right|350px|thumb]]
*'''Drift''' (Flip & Change, 2014)
{{comingsoontoy}}
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=====One Step Changers=====
[[File:AOERIDtoy-OneStepDrift.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Autobot Drift''' (One Step Changers, 2014)
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=====Power Battlers=====
[[File:AOE PowerBattlers Drift.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Autobot Drift''' (Power Battlers, 2014)
{{comingsoontoy}}
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=====Dino Sparkers=====
[[Image:AoE dino sparker Drift and Slug.jpg|thumb|right||250px|"How do you start a Triceratops?"]]
*'''Autobot Drift & Dinobot Slug''' (Dino Sparkers, 2014)
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=====Titan Heroes=====
*'''Autobot Drift''' (Titan Heroes, 2014)
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====Generations====
=====Deluxe Class=====
[[File:AOEGenerationstoy-DeluxeDrift.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"You remind me of someone... a man I met in a half-remembered dream. He was possessed of some radical notions."]]
*'''Autobot Drift''' (Deluxe, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Two daggers, two swords
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD23'''
:Drift is part of the second wave of deluxe Generations movie figures. He transforms into a black and blue 2013 Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse.
:The two daggers can store under his roof, and the swords store on the underside of his alt mode. All four of his weapons can store on his back in robot mode.
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=====Voyager Class=====
[[File:AoE_voyager_Drift.jpg|thumb|right|300px|To impress a chick, ''helicopter Drift'']]
*'''Autobot Drift''' (Voyager, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' two missile pods, two swords
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AD30'''
:Drift is a retool of Voyager [[Skyhammer (DOTM)|Skyhammer]]. He features a new head, and also includes two swords that can combine with each other to form a larger sword. Skyhammer's missile pods are still included.
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Merchandise==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====RPMs - Robot Powered Machines====
[[Image:RPMDoubleSidersDrift.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*'''Autobot Drift''' (2010)
**''Series'': '''Double Siders'''
**''Number'': ?

:''[[Robot Powered Machines]]'' Mini-Vehicle Autobot Drift is a small, non-transforming, [[die-cast]] car based on [[Drift (G1)|his mainstream counterpart]]'s vehicle mode. His robot mode is sculpted underneath the vehicle, and his wheels use through-axle construction that lets the toy zip around at high speeds on smooth surfaces. Thanks to his oversized tires, he can slide along rightside-up or upside-down.

:The intended ''RPM'' release of "Double Siders" Drift never came out. Though it was going to be recycled into ''Speed Stars'', the ''RPM'' version had more paint operations, including having his name printed on his hood and bumper. The only image of the toy comes from a downloadable poster that was on the official ''Transformers'' website of Turkey.

: This mold was also used to make ''Speed Stars'' [[Breakdown (Speed Stars)|Breakdown]].

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[[Image:RPMSpeedStarDriftUnknown.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Autobot Drift''' (2010)
**''Series'': '''Allspark'''
**''Number'': '''04'''

:"Allspark" Drift was presumably a redeco of "Double Siders" Drift. Though listed on the back of the Asian market release of ''RPM'' "Allspark" [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], it has never officially been depicted. However, an otherwise unknown redeco of the Drift mold with blue detailing was displayed at [[Toy Fair 2010]], amongst a mix of cancelled ''RPM'' and planned ''Speed Stars'' vehicles. It is possible that this mystery redeco was the aborted "Allspark" Drift.

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===Speed Stars===
[[Image:SpeedStars_DoubleSiders_Drift.jpg|thumb|200px|]]
*'''Drift''' (Mini-Vehicle, 2011?)
**''Series:'' '''Double Siders'''
**''Number:'' ?

: A redeco of the unreleased ''RPM'' "Double Siders" Drift, ''[[Speed Stars]]'' Drift is a small non-transforming [[die-cast]] car. He features notably fewer paint operations than the ''RPM'' version.

:Like its ''RPM'' predecessor, ''Speed Stars'' Drift was never released.

{{canceledrpmspeedstar}}

[[Category: Age of Extinction Autobots]]
[[Category: Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category: RPMs]]
[[Category: Speed Stars]]
[[Category: Turncoats]]

Galvatron (AOE)

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{{disambig3|Galvatron}}
:''Galvatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:AOEGalvatron.jpg|thumb|right|355px|Pal, you picked the wrong car to terrorize.]]
'''Galvatron''' is a man-made [[Transformer]] which joins the [[Decepticons]].

==Fiction==
===''Age of Extinction'' film===
{{coming soon|when=June 27, 2014}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)}}

==Toys==
===Generations===
====Voyager Class toys====

[[File:TF4-Voyager-Galvatron.JPG|400px|thumb|right|'''''[[Trukk not munky |KANNON NOT TRUKK]]''''']]
*'''Galvatron''' (Voyager, 2014)
**''Accessories:'' Cannon
{{comingsoontoy}}
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==Notes==
[[File:TF3concept-Galvatron-MassiveBlack.jpg|thumb|]]
*Concept art for Galvatron in [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon|''Dark of the Moon'']] was created by [[Massive Black]] artist [[Bruno 'Nox' Gore]]. Whether he was intended to be an upgraded Megatron or a separate character entirely is unknown. [http://www.ballisticpublishing.com/flipbook/mb_2/index.php].

[[Category: Age of Extinction Decepticons]]

Blades (G1)

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:''Blades is an [[Autobot]] [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Blades-mtmte-unpublished.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Profile art that actually captures the essence of a character. Madness!]]
'''Blades''' will never be the Autobot poster child. He's a dirty, underhanded street brawler at heart and proud of it. The fact that his alternate mode and function as air support can keep him at a distance from combat infuriates him. Blades would rather use his rotors to gut a Decepticon from antenna to tailpipe than to fly. When he fights, he wants to feel his enemies' fuel spraying across his steel skin. Blades does his job and does it darn well, but if there's a way to get his hands dirty in the process, you can bet your processor he'll find it.

Blades combines with his fellow Protectobots to form [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], [[Gaia Guardian]] or [[God Guardian]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Ken Shiroyama]] (Japanese), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese, "The Ultimate Weapon"), [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japanese, "Call of the Primitives")|[[Edgar Wald]] (Latin American), [[Fritz von Hardenberg]] (German, ''The Ultimate Weapon''), [[Bernd Simon]] (German, ''Call of the Primitives''), [[Christoph Lindert]] (German, Generation 2 Dub of ''The Revenge of Bruticus''), [[Niko Macoulis]] (German, Generation 2 Dub of ''The Ultimate Weapon'')}}

[[File:G1 RevengeofBruticus Blades savinghumans.jpg|left|upright=0.95|thumb|A more kid friendly bad boy.]]
When the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] attacked an inhabited city on [[Earth]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] called upon the Protectobots to evacuate the civilians caught in the crossfire. Later, as Earth's orbit was diverted to the [[Sun]] by the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], while [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] fought the flames, Blades saved civilians trapped by the fires. Soon afterwards he was spraying his limited supply of coolant onto the flames, but was concerned that he was running out and couldn't cool down the whole planet. {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}}

Blades, as part of Defensor, totally blew up [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. Afterwards, he was with the Protectobots when they arrived ostensibly to save some window-washers from a burning skyscraper. Blades actually blew the workers from their dangling platform. Fortunately, Streetwise managed to catch them below. Later still, Blades and the other Protectobots were ordered to help defend [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]] from a Decepticon attack. They merged into Defensor and activated his useless force field, which almost immediately deactivated, allowing the Decepticons to blast Defensor back into his component parts. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

[[File:G1 UltimateWeapon FirstAid Blades repairbay.jpg|upright=0.95|thumb|Blades is to First Aid as Twins are to Ratchet.]]
In the year [[2006]], the Autobots were asked to help the Dutch authorities deal with French rebels. After dispersing the human aggressors, Blades was shot down by [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]. [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] took him back to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] for repairs. While Blades recuperated, the Combaticon [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] broke into the city and managed to steal Metroplex's [[transformation cog]], and First Aid left the Autobots when he failed to stop the theft. Unfortunately, just as First Aid left, the Autobots were called upon to deal with a rampaging [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Hot Spot ordered the remaining Protectobots to combine into Defensor even without First Aid, and they successfully saved a train full of civilians. After First Aid returned to the Autobots, Blades ferried him into Metroplex while the giant Autobot was battling Trypticon, enabling the medic to realign the replacement cog properly, which in turn allowed Metroplex to triumph. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}}

[[File:AutobotsCall.jpg|left|upright=0.95|thumb|It might have been just desserts if the whole planet hadn't gotten the same treatment two seconds later.]]
Blades was one of the first three (along with [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] and [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]]) to be drained by the energy leech, [[Tornedron]]. The whole of Cybertron was likewise sucked dry moments later, though all were restored when [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] saved the day. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Later in 2006, the Protectobots arrived at the aftermath of the battle between the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] and [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] at [[Mark Morgan]]'s laboratory. They transported the injured [[Jessica Morgan]] to County General Hospital and watched over her as the doctors restored her ability to walk with an exo-skeletal structure, enraging the robo-phobic senior Morgan. This had [[Hate Plague|negative consequences]]. What a jerkface.

Defensor—and by extension, Blades and the rest of the Protectobots—contracted the plague while fending off an infected Superion. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}} Blades (along with the rest of the galaxy) was cured by the unleashed wisdom of the Matrix following Optimus Prime's resurrection. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2}}
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] formed [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] to attack a baseball stadium, the Autobots' human friend [[Kenji]] called in the Aerialbots and Protectobots in response. Blades and the Protectobots put out the fires caused by the Decepticon mayhem before combining into Defensor. Their central component was injured battling Bruticus, however, forcing the Protectobots to disengage while Hot Spot tended to his injuries. Thinking quickly, Kenji told Superion to aim for the legs, and the giant Autobot shot out the leg components of both Bruticus and Menasor. Blades and the smaller Protectobots then leapt into action, linking up with the Decepticon combiners in place of their normal limbs. Kenji laughed as the Protectobots sent their captive Decepticon super-robots kicking through the sky, planning to drop them off over the nearest ocean. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 5|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #5}}

=====Scramble City=====
Blades and the Protectobots participated in the Scramble City project under Ultra Magnus's direction, working towards the construction of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. After the Decepticons uncovered their secret building site, the Protectobots rode into battle alongside the newly completed Metroplex. Blades and his comrades arrived and formed Defensor just in time to act as the harbinger of Metroplex and his really big gun. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Great Transformer War''=====
Many years later, [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] and the Decepticons kidnapped Doctor [[Dalton (G1)|Dalton]] of the planet [[Eran]] to increase the potency of their combiner robots. The Protectobots and Aerialbots attempted to storm [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] in order to recover the kidnapped scientist, but were repelled by Scramble City base modes with launcher power (only $9.99 at [[Toys"R"Us]]!). Superion in particular suffered critical injuries. Reconsidering their tactics, Hot Spot transformed to repair bay mode in order to bring the Aerialbots back on-line, while Blades infiltrated Trypticon alone to recover Dalton and the other Protectobots held off Menasor and Bruticus long enough for their teammates to complete their missions. Inside Trypticon, Blades was able to retrieve Dalton with little fuss, as most of the Decepticons were distracted watching the fight. Dalton was brought back to [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], where he agreed to work on the new [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]] warriors for the Autobots. {{storylink|The Great Transformer War issue 1|The Great Transformer War #1}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japanese, ep 12)

In [[2011]], Galvatron attacked Cybertron in order to gain control of [[Vector Sigma]]. Blades was stationed there with the Protectobots and fought off the Decepticons' initial assault. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} As Defensor, Blades' team continued battling on Cybertron for some time. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} Later, Blades and the Protectobots assembled on Earth at Ultra Magnus's command. Their mission was to stop the Decepticons from interfering with [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s, who were searching for the hidden location of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. On a security sweep, the Protectobots ran across their old nemeses, the Combaticons, and went into battle. The two teams quickly assumed their combined forms as Bruticus and Defensor, as the fighting escalated. {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}

When Galvatron made another strike on Cybertron, this time to steal the super-metal [[Cybertonuron]], Blades and the Protectobots assembled before the [[space bridge]] on Earth to be transported into battle. Seeking out the Combaticons on the battlefield, the Protectobots soon formed Defensor and fought once more with Bruticus. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} Defensor and Bruticus's battle continued as Defensor delivered a devastating smash to Bruticus's back. For at least part of the battle, the two teams disassembled again, as Hot Spot and Blades were seen firing upon the aerial Combaticons again. {{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2}}

Blades and the Protectobots were dispatched to [[Peru]] with the [[Trainbot]]s when a volcano erupted, leaving a mountainside village in dire peril. Their rescue mission was blocked by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. [[Shouki]] and the Trainbots occupied the fiends so that the Protectobots could proceed on to the village and protect the innocent lives. Nevertheless, the Protectobots failed to reach the village, as they were intercepted by the Decepticons' second wave, the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s. Blades and the Protectobots briefly struggled with the Headmasters before forming Defensor, but that left them grouped together and vulnerable to an underhanded attack. Defensor was taken out of action by [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]]'s paralysis ray, which was strong enough to force Blades and the Protectobots apart and leave them completely immobilized. {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}

Blades and the Protectobots were part of a strike team that flew to the [[Moon (moon)|moon]] to disrupt Scorponok's gathering of Decepticons. They immediately formed Defensor upon entering the battle. {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}} When the planet [[Sandra (planet)|Sandra]] sent out a distress call asking for energy, the Autobots of Earth responded. While they were loading the Trainbots full of supplies, however, Galvatron and the Decepticons arrived to take the energy for themselves. Blades and the Protectobots fought back against the enemy, and formed Defensor to counter Devastator on the battlefield. {{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}}

After the death of Ultra Magnus, the Autobots were desperately trying to pick up the slack during Sixshot's campaign of destruction around the globe. Blades and the Protectobots assembled as Defensor to go out and confront Sixshot at one of the attack sites, but they apparently didn't fare too well. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} When the Decepticons seemingly abandoned Earth, Blades and the Protectobots assisted Spike in rebuilding the planet after the enemy's departure. On one occasion, they located Sixshot's old command base. By combining into Defensor, the Protectobots helped Raiden and Computron obliterate the base, wiping out all trace of the Decepticons' presence. {{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}

Following a lengthy period of inactivity, the Decepticons renewed their attacks on Earth. With Fortress still off in space, Spike Witwicky dispatched Blades and the Protectobots to attend to the threats. In Canberra, [[Australia]], the Protectobots confronted Bruticus at one of Scorponok's new Death Towers. As Defensor, the Protectobots were beaten severely by Bruticus. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)}} As part of Defensor, Blades participated in the Autobots final battle with Scorponok's Decepticons at the North Pole. He lent his energies to the Headmasters' [[Head Formation]] to revitalize Fortress Maximus at the critical moment. {{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel Generation 1 comics====
{{noteukonly}}
Blades and the other Protectobots were created on [[Earth]] by [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and the Autobots after they stole a recording of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator's]] combiner transformation sequence and modified it ''(and after [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] shared a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced vision of the future with the [[Special Teams]] in it)''.

[[File:Blades-uk125a.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|"Blades! Who's the best Autobot leader?" "Well, Optimus Prime was kinda oka—"]]
Shortly after the Protectobots were given life by the Matrix, Optimus and Wheeljack learned of a [[cerebro-shell]] implanted in Prime which had allowed [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] to tap into the Matrix and eavesdrop on their conversations. Reversing the signal, the Autobots learned of a Decepticon plot to steal the energy-converting hydrothermocline. Taking the Protectobots with him for the mission, Optimus moved to intervene on Megatron and his [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]' plans.

At the industrial site, a human named [[Ethan Zachary]] broke a stand-off between the two forces by suggesting they battle for the hydrothermocline in a virtual game program he had created, so that nothing of value to either side would be damaged in the melee. With their consent, Zachary uploaded Optimus, Megatron, and the two Special Teams into his computer game environment called Multi-World. Blades was teamed with [[Groove (G1)|Groove]], and they maneuvered through an area called the Cloud-Steppes, where cities floated on clouds and absurdly long walkways were supported underneath them. The Combaticon flyers cut loose one of the walkways, sending the ground-bound Groove and a group of Cloud-Steppers flailing and falling. Against his better judgement, Blades caught the falling humanoids instead of saving his teammate. This proved to be a good idea, as the Cloud-Steppers unleashed their patented cloud-in-a-knapsack trick to blind the Combaticons until Groove shot them down. {{storylink|Afterdeath!}}

''When [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] took control of the Autobots, Blades began to muse on deserting like [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]. While on a mission in [[London]], tracking a signal that could be the deserters, his bad mood was made worse by being attacked by [[Action Force (team)|Action Force]], and he came close to killing the humans before realizing this was against the Autobot code. He then ended up assisting Action Force, Grimlock and [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]] against a rampaging Megatron, the real source of that signal. If not for Blades, [[Wild Bill]] would have died in a [[Dragonfly]] crash! He later saluted Centurion's death.'' {{storylink|Ancient Relics!}}

As part of the Protectobots, he was later sent by Grimlock to track down the "traitorous" Blaster and Goldbug and this time it really ''was'' them. The team arrested Blaster {{storylink|Used Autobots}} but then had to fight off an attack from the Combaticons en route to the Ark. Blades and his team were saved by Blaster and in return they let him 'escape'. {{storylink|Child's Play (issue)|Child's Play}}

{{note|Blades was then mysteriously absent for the rest of G1. Did he actually desert after that and everyone forgot to tell him when Grimlock was deposed?}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[File:Blades legacy of unicron.jpg|thumb|150px]]
In [[2008]], the Decepticons made a severe attack on Autobot-controlled territory on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Blades was part of a series of special units unleashed on the attackers in the war zone. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}} Later, he was briefly seen on a series of monitors being observed by the [[Quintesson]] General [[Ghyrik]], part of a crew of Autobots [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] had brought to Earth to reclaim the occupied [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}
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====''Generation 2''====
[[File:Blades1.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|This is pretty much what he's all about: shooting the crap out of guys who claim they're unarmed.]]
Some years later, Blades was working with a team of Autobots known as the [[Firestormer]]s when they first discovered the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]].

During [[Nexus Seven|one of their raids]], [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] hesitated to shoot a [[Outpost B-67 exo-structuring party|Cybertronian]] who said he was weaponless. Blades blasted the Cybertronian, who was in fact reaching for a weapon, and berated Hound for being "soft". {{storylink|War Without End!}} Then, under the influence of [[Shadow parasite|mind parasites]], he tore a Cybertronian's cable out with his [[Andrew Wildman|teeth]] on an unnamed planet in the [[K'tord Nebula]]. Yikes. {{storylink|Primal Fear!}}

He was later seen among a crew recruited by [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] to destroy the Cybertronian flagship ''[[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]]''. {{storylink|Devices and Desires! (Marvel)|Devices and Desires!}}

That mission ended in failure, but Blades survived the subsequent escape and joined another Grimlock-led team sent to [[Earth]] to back up [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]], who had gone in solo against [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] damaged his rotors, forcing him to land, which mostly just served to piss him off even more. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:Blades-warwithin.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Blades, you're shooting at the artist!]]
Blades stuck with his team after the official status downgrade of the special teams. Though officially neutral, the team deployed to counter the threat of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] in the [[Tagan Heights]]. Blades and the unit joined into Defensor, and attempted to grapple with Devastator hand-to-hand. When it became evident that the two titans were simply causing more damage, the Protectobots split up to deal with Devastator through more subtle means. It was Blades who got the most dangerous assignment of distracting Devastator while his team disabled the rampaging [[Ultracon]] with teamwork.

Some while later, the [[Chaos Trinity]] invaded the Protectobot base. Blades was quick to draw arms, but was defeated by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}}

In the present era, the Protectobots served the united Cybertronian government under [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. The Protectobots appeared in their combined form battling [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] when he escaped the [[Detention Banks]], {{storylink|Passive Aggression}} and later joined the revolution alongside the other Autobots against Shockwave and his [[Guardian robot]]s. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} After the fall of Shockwave, Blades and the Protectobots uncovered the [[Battlecharger]]s at one of his hidden laboratories. They had been critically damaged when the [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] clone known as [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] escaped. {{storylink|Black Sunshine}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:Blades2.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Blades wants your lunch money. NOW.]]
Hundreds of thousands of years ago on Cybertron, before the war with the Decepticons, Blades was part of an Autobot security force in the city of [[Kaon]]. His squad was tasked with hunting down the renegade operators of gladiatorial contests in the degenerate slum areas of Cybertron, particularly the brutal fighter who would come to be known as [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}}

When Megatron and many other prisoners escaped, Blades was part of the field team attempting to bring them back under control. He was seen having difficulty contacting other units, as [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] made the decision to bring out his Apex armor. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

After the war was over, Blades joined the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'', where he at one point gleefully helped fight a rampaging [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]. {{storylink|Under Cold Blue Stars}}

{{note|Shortly after coming to Earth, Optimus Prime was getting updates from the various unit commanders and officers out in the universe while aboard the ''[[Ark-19]]''. One report about an infiltration unit going to ground again came from an unidentified talking head that may have been Blades. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1}}}}
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==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
During a Decepticon attack on a major human city, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and the Protectobots launched rescue operations. Unfortunately their efforts were hampered by [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], who unleashed all manner of sonic attacks on them. {{storylink|To the Rescue}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:Bladesg1toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|GET TO DA CHOPPA!]]
*'''Blades''' (Protectobot, 1986)
**''Team ID number:'' '''P3'''
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-72'''
**''Accessories'': "Photon Pistol", left & right "twin launchers"

:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' Blades transforms to a rescue helicopter resembling a Bell UH-1V Iroquois. He also comes with a pair of side-mounted (non-firing) cannons. He is a [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style combiner limb, who can form the arm or leg of any such combiner—though he normally forms Defensor's right arm. His fists are unusual in that their post holes are on the side rather than the top, an oddity he shares with [[Groove (G1)#Generation 1 2|Groove]] and [[First Aid (G1)#Generation 1 2|First Aid]]. A hook-shaped handle on his gun allows him to hold it normally... but only in his right hand. Subsequent releases of him in the "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]" line omitted the [[rubsign]].

:This mold was also [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (toyline)|Operation Combination]]'' [[Fly-Up]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Blades/blades.htm More information on ''Generation 1'' Blades at TFU.info]''
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*'''Defensor''' (Gift set, 1986)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-76'''
**''Accessories'': "Photon Pistol", left & right "twin launchers"

:All five Protectobots were made available in many markets as a complete [[giftset]] as well as on individual cards/boxes.

===Generation 2===
[[File:Bladesg2unreleased.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Can't have me!]]
*'''Blades''' (Unreleased)
**''Team ID number:'' '''P5'''
**''Accessories'': "Photon Pistol", left & right "twin launchers"

:A ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[redeco]] of Blades in blue and black S.W.A.T.-style deco, as well as the rest of the Protectobots and the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], never made it past the stage of production samples. These toys are among the most exceedingly rare Transformers ever made; only roughly a half-dozen samples of each piece are known to exist.

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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Bladesuniversevoyager.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He'll kick your ass until he's not blue in the face.]]
*'''Autobot Blades''' (Voyager Class, 2008)
**''Series'': '''Classic Series'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 missiles, rotor blades, Cyber Key

:Part of the second wave of [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'']] Voyager Class toys, "Autobot Blades" is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Evac (Cybertron)#Voyager|Evac]], transforming into a Eurocopter Dauphin rescue helicopter. Printed in very small print around his Autobot symbol is the Latin phrase "''semper referemus''" (roughly translated as "We will always bring them back").

:He features numerous [[gimmick]]s: His rotor blades spin using a geared push-button, and become a spinning-blade weapon mounted on his robot mode's left arm. He has an adjustable [[Retractable string gimmick|tow-hook on a string]], which retracts with the push of a button: this gimmick ends up on his right robot-mode arm. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] into his back end (backpack in robot mode) swings around a pair of spring-loaded [[missile]] launchers that double as the helicopter's engine exhausts when not deployed (or loaded with missiles). Finally, his hands are compatible with [[5mm post]]s. He comes with a clear Cybertron-style Cyber Key with silver paint and a red Autobot symbol, which doesn't match his [[packaging]] [[stock photography]].

:[[Joe Kyde]] originally did a deco sheet (based on a real Coast Guard color scheme for the Dauphin) for an Evac redeco in the Movie toyline. However, this was replaced in the toyline by Movie [[Evac (Movie)|Evac]], a retool of [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]. [[Bill Rawley]] later utilized the unused deco sheet as the starting point for Universe Blades, which is why the color layout isn't accurate to Blades's classic appearance.

:This mold was also used to make ''Universe'' (2008) [[Springer (G1)#Universe (2008)|Springer]] and ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]/[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Megatron (SG)#Voyager|Galvatron]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/TFUBlades/blades.htm More information on ''Universe'' (2008) "Autobot Blades" at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Universe-AR-Blades.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Aerial Rivals''' (Multi-pack, 2008)
**''Series'': '''Classic Series'''
**''Accessories'': Rotor blade

:[[Legends Class]] "Autobot Blades" is a redeco of [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] [[Evac (Cybertron)#Cybertron|Evac]], being a ''heavily'' simplified version of his Voyager-class toy. His vehicle mode has a back mounted (non-firing) twin missile launcher (which is carried onto his robot mode), as well as being armed with a rotor blade on his left arm which can rotate, but cannot spin freely.

:He was only available in a [[Target]]-[[exclusive]] five-pack with Legends Class [[Air Raid (G1)#Universe (2008)|Air Raid]], [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)#Universe (2008)|Skydive]], [[Ramjet (G1)#Universe (2008)|Ramjet]], and [[Thrust (G1)#Universe (2008)|Thrust]].

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Whirl (G1)#Classics|Whirl]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/TFULegendsBlades/blades.htm More information on ''Universe'' (2008) Legends Class "Autobot Blades" at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
===G Guardian===
*'''Graze''' (Candy toy, 2012)
: Graze is a snap-together [[candy toy]] model kit produced by [[Kabaya]] for their [[Gaia Guardian|G Guardian]] series, coming in an individual box packed with a stick of (chalky) gum. He can combine with his five wave-mates to form [[Gaia Guardian]]. He, along with First Aid, Groove, and Streetwise, can also combine with Kabaya's [[Transformers Gum]] Hot Spot to form [[Defensor (G1)|Guardian]]. G Guardian's [[Heatrock (G1)|Heatrock]] and [[Skyfeather (G1)|Skyfeather]] attach to Guardian to create [[God Guardian]].

==Notes==
*According to an essay by [[Jon Hartman|Jon]] and [[Karl Hartman]] in [[Fumihiko Akiyama]]'s unofficial ''BotCon Legends: Ten Years' Chronology'' fanzine, the ''Generation 2'' version of Blades was one of the brothers' top two choices for a [[BotCon 1994]] exclusive. Ultimately, however, they went with [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] instead.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Graze''' (グレイズ ''Gureizu'')
*''French:'' '''Hélicopto''' (Canada)
*''Italian:'' '''Rasor'''
*''Russian:'' '''Porez''' (Порез, "Cut")

==External links==
*[http://ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Blades Blades's Universe profile at NTFA.net]
*[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/gallery.php?id=1170&size=0&start=0 Gallery] of unreleased MOSC Generation 2 Blades

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Demolishor (Armada)

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:''Demolishor is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Demolishor-AR-DVD.jpg|right|325px|thumb|They were delicious.]]
'''Demolishor''' is a military expert who serves [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] through the [[The Unicron Battles|Unicron Battles]]. He is a very trusted but sometimes very ''dim'' soldier who holds very true-to-[[spark]] values concerning loyalty and devotion to the Decepticon cause. These values sometimes collide with Megatron's ultimately selfish goals, and Demolishor finds himself struggling to reconcile the two.

Ultimately, though, Demolishor never abandons his devotion to the Decepticons as a whole, even if his faith in their leader is shattered.

His [[Mini-Con]] partner is [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]].

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Armada'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Alvin Sanders]] (English), [[Kōji Yusa]] (Japanese), [[Anders Öjebo]] (Swedish)

[[Image:Palace-Reeeeeaaaach!.jpg|right|200px|thumb|You don't wanna know what's going on below.]]
Demolishor arrived on Earth shortly after [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] and Megatron, and took an immediate interest in the small humans who first discovered High Wire. Before he could grab one of the humans, however, he was stopped by [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]]. Megatron muttered that Demolishor was a weakling, though moments later all the Decepticons evacuated back to their moon base. Demolishor was soon able to locate the two mini-cons who had recently activated and reported this to Megatron, who soon provided him with a new missile tank alt mode, which was almost immediately roughed up pretty solidly by Optimus Prime and Hot Shot during another failed attempt at capturing the children and Mini-Cons. {{storylink|Metamorphosis}}

Said attempt was not entirely unsuccessful, as Cyclonus had retrieved two Mini-Cons, one of which he kept for himself, and the other which he presented to Megatron. Later, on the moon, Starscream suggested that he would soon be Megatron's "right hand bot," a claim Demolishor disputed, violently. Their duel was something of a draw, however, as Megatron insisted they reserve their energy and time. Megatron then presented Demolishor with Blackout, to serve as his "little partner in crime," before informing Starscream that he would have to locate his own Mini-Con.{{storylink|Base}}

Demolishor served as Megatron's right-hand military expert until the arrival of [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], although he often competed with [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] for the title. He was often dense and simple-minded, but very devoted to his cause. Perhaps the most thoughtful action of Demolishor's during this time was to tear through a door Megatron had sealed in order to stop Megatron from destroying Starscream, whom Demolishor valued as a Decepticon ally. Demolishor was seriously damaged by [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)|Nemesis Prime]], only to be reformatted into a red/white color scheme via [[Powerlinx]] energy. He would go on to serve in the United Armada against [[Unicron]].

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====''Energon'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Alvin Sanders]] (English), [[Kōji Yusa]] (Japanese), [[Anders Öjebo]] (Swedish), [[Christoph Jablonka]] (German)

[[Image:Demolishor MegSword.jpg|left|180px|thumb|And so Demolishor became the king of England.]]
Following the end of the [[The Unicron Battles|Unicron Battles]], Megatron's death saw the alliance between the Decepticons and Autobots persist. With the establishment of [[Cybertron City (city)|Cybertron Cities]] to mine [[energon]] on Earth, Demolishor was assigned to [[Ocean City]], where he guarded the city's main gate. Despite his frequent complaints and arguments with the humans and Autobots who lived in the city, Demolishor developed something of a friendship with his new allies and grew into his role. Of particular note was his bickering relationship with the inexperienced [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]], who didn't trust him for being a Decepticon, and whom he ridiculed in return for being a greenhorn. {{storylink|Cybertron City (episode)|Cybertron City}}

In the year 2020, when the alien being [[Alpha Quintesson]] created the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]] to steal energon for him, he armed their leader, [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]], with a sword forged from Megatron's [[spark]]. During a battle at [[Plains City]], the sword was knocked aside and landed in the ground in front of Demolishor, but he could not bring himself to take hold of the weapon. The chance to return to his Decepticon nature versus his new role amongst the Autobots left him conflicted, unsure of what he truly wanted in life. {{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

Demolishor's dilemma continued when Megatron returned to life and laid siege to Ocean City. {{storylink|Megatron Resurrected}} When Megatron appeared before him, Demolishor trained his guns on him, struggling to make a decision as Megatron continually taunted him. Eventually, Demolishor caved in and rejoined the Decepticons, departing with Megatron for his headquarters within the inactive corpse of [[Unicron]]. Despite having made this decision, Demolishor's experiences had left him a changed 'bot, and he would be heard to caution Megatron on the frailties of humans. {{storylink|Megatron Raid}}

Not longer thereafter, Demolishor participated in a Decepticon attack on the Autobot ship the ''[[Miranda II]]'', which activated its personal [[energon grid]] defense system during the battle. Megatron was caught directly in the path of the grid, galvanizing Demolishor into making a final, fateful decision: He pushed his leader out of the way and took the force of the grid's blast himself. Oddly, Demolishor blamed Optimus for what happened to him and exploded. Nobody seemed to mourn the loss. (They do in the Japanese version, but this was altered in the English dub.) {{storylink|Go for Unicron!}}

Demolishor's body was destroyed, but his spark was salvaged by Megatron, who implanted it within a new body. Megatron used his Unicron-derived powers to wipe Demolishor's memory, removing any trace of his conflicted nature and degenerating him into a simple-minded, ape-like creature, easily excited and prone to grunting and jumping around. {{storylink|The Return of Demolishor}} Demolishor retained his friendship with [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], now Snow Cat, to whose level of intelligence he was now much closer. There was occasional cuddling. In the end, Demolishor, along with Snow Cat, did not follow Megatron into the sun. {{storylink|The Sun}}

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====''Cybertron''====
Somehow magically back in his original body (no word on whether his mentality recovered as well), Demolishor was left behind on Cybertron during the planetary evacuation, but has kept himself busy by fighting off the [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]] horde. Demolishor has heard rumors that Megatron has once again returned from the dead, but hopes it is not true, as he enjoys not being pushed around by his commander for once. {{storylink|#Cybertron|Demolishor's ''Cybertron'' toy bio}}

===Dreamwave comic continuity===
====Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic====
Demolishor was part of Megatron's initial strike force on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and devastated [[Mini-Con Sector|Mini-Con Village C52]] alongside [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 1|Armada #1}} Powered by [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]], he also participated in the assault on and devastation of [[Cyber City]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 2|Armada #2}}

[[Image:DWArmada5_Demolishor_whatmakeshumanstick.jpg|thumb|300px|]]

Millions of years later, when a Mini-Con signal was broadcast from Earth, the Decepticons picked it up and quickly made plans to travel to Earth. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 3|Armada #3}} Upon arrival, Demolishor, Cyclonus and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] broke into a [[human]] military base, where Demolishor scanned a tank for his new [[alternate mode]] (though the resulting tank mode wasn't particularly close to the source). {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 4|Armada #4}} While the other Decepticons began fighting the Autobots who had followed them to Earth, Demolishor ambushed the [[Street Action Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Street Action Mini-Con Team]], [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] and three human kids. He captured the Mini-Cons and expressed interest in taking the humans apart to see where all their courage came from. Then four other Mini-Cons swarmed his face and shattered his targeting reticle "eyepatch". {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 5|Armada #5}}

[[Image:WorldsCollide2_Demolishor_vs_SmokescreenScavenger.jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]

After the Decepticons successfully captured the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]], Demolishor helped bring them back to the Decepticon base at [[Silver Ridge]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 6|Armada #6}} He later participated in the attack on the [[Autobase|Autobot base]], but didn't do much other than stand around and take offense to Starscream's claims that Megatron didn't need any underlings when he had the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 7|Armada #7}} When the Decepticons' Mini-Cons escaped, Demolishor and the others pursued them to [[Kansas]], where they fired impotently on a [[Mini-Con Ark|large object]] that was stealing all of Earth's Mini-Cons. They were then distracted by the arrival of several Autobots, and could only watch as the object rocketed off into space. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 8|Armada #8}} After figuring out that the Mini-Cons had ended up on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], the Decepticons chased after their precious power-ups. As Demolishor was the only Decepticon incapable of flight (Megatron got temporary rocket thrusters), he was left behind to guard the base. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 9|Armada #9}} He wasn't very good at it, though, and was beaten up by Autobots who wanted to use the Decepticons' [[space bridge]]. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 10|Armada #10}}

When said space bridge stopped working some time later, Megatron ordered Demolishor and Starscream to fix it. Neither of them knew how. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} The Decepticons later learned that [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] had gone missing, and they seized the opportunity to perform an all-out assault on the Autobots. Demolishor found himself facing down [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] on a thin mountain road, and decided to play a game of chicken with them. He won, as both Autobots swerved away and fell off the road, where Smokescreen was seriously injured by Megatron. Shortly afterwards, their winning streak was interrupted by a [[Galvatron (G1)|mysterious powerful Transformer]] who knocked out Demolishor, Cyclonus and Starscream in short order. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}} As it turned out, the stranger had been a [[Herald of Unicron|Herald]] of [[Unicron]], who was on his way to destroy Cybertron. The Decepticons were forced to ally themselves with the Autobots and return to their home planet in order to fight him off. Demolishor survived the battle with Unicron and was seen among the crowds of cheering Transformers in the aftermath. {{storylink|The End}}
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====''Energon'' comic====
[[Image:StarscreamEnergon-Multiplicity3.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
Ten years after the battle with Unicron, Unicron's [[Unicron's Four Horsemen|Four Horsemen]] attacked Cybertron. Demolishor was among the Transformers called in as reinforcements against this new threat. {{storylink|What Lies Beneath, Part Two}} Some time later, he was stationed at the [[energon]] ore processing plant [[Deltos-Five]] when its systems started going haywire. Grumbling that [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] had left him to deal with technical difficulties while ''he'' got to have fun fighting [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]] on Earth, Demolishor made his way into the facility, where he was ambushed by a ghostly Starscream. {{storylink|Multiplicity, Pt. 3}}

{{note|The following occurs in unreleased issues: Demolisher was upgraded to a new body, and tasked by [[Alpha Quintesson]] to kidnap [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]], which he did so. {{storylink|Armageddon Part 1}} Due to this, he was pursued by Rad, [[Grimlock (Energon)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (Energon)|Swoop]], who were assisted by Carlos and Alexis.{{storylink|Armageddon Part 2}} The rescue team was boosted by [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]], [[Cliffjumper (Energon)|Cliffjumper]] and [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]], who tracked down Demolishor and the captive Kicker in [[Mexico]]. The Autobots battled Demolisher while Rad freed Kicker. {{storylink|Armageddon Part 4}} Once free, Kicker used his special powers to channel the energy of all the energon on Earth, using it to utterly destroy Demolishor.{{storylink|Armageddon Part 5}} }}
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===Panini ''Armada'' comic===
Demolishor was among the Decepticons who had a great time kidnapping Mini-Cons back when the war broke out. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 9|Counter-Strike!}}

In modern day, he was sent to [[Earth]] to search for escaped Mini-Cons alongside [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]. Demolishor was apparently still searching elsewhere when the rest of the Decepticons were beaten up by the Autobots and fled. {{storylink|Friends and Foes!}} Eventually, he sawed his way into the wreckage of the Mini-Cons' ship, as he had orders from [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] to retrieve its [[locator log]]. He was surprised to find the [[Street Action Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Street Action Team]] in the ship, and wasn't sure what to do with the situation. Deciding that the best course of action was violence, he began blasting the Mini-Cons but was distracted when [[Rad White]] grabbed the locator log and ran for it. Demolishor followed in his tank mode, only to drive straight into an unstable part of the cave, where the vibrations from his treads caused the hidden log to explode and collapse the cave on top of him. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 3|Deep Trouble!}}

Some time later, Demolishor participated in an attack on the Autobots when they were trying to send their Mini-Cons back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|No Way Back!}} He and Cyclonus were then sent to search for Mini-Cons on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. The Autobots [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] and [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] followed them, but were no match for the Mini-Con-augmented Decepticons. Demolishor shot Smokescreen down and prepared to squash him under his tracks, but didn't expect the Autobot to suddenly get a Mini-Con partner of his own. Powered by [[Liftor]], Smokescreen delivered a powerful punch to the incoming Demolishor, driving him back. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 6|Between Two Worlds!}}

When the Decepticons planned to nuke the Autobots from their new lunar base, Demolishor caught a transmission from the Autobots' Mini-Cons, who offered to surrender in exchange for the Autobots' lives. He reported this to Megatron, who opted to take the Mini-Cons then blow the Autobots up anyway. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Earthshaker!}} The plan was a huge failure, ending with the destruction of the Decepticon base and no Mini-Cons to show for it. Demolishor cheerfully referred to the whole thing as a "bit of a blip in the old world-conquest plans", which promptly got him punished by the disgruntled Megatron. Suddenly, Cyclonus showed up and started attacking his fellow Decepticons. He turned out to be possessed by the [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]], who were using him to get rid of Megatron once and for all. After watching the two duel for a while, Demolishor power-linked with [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]] and entered the fray, but did little damage to Cyclonus. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 9|Dawn of Destruction!}}

===Bendon ''Armada'' books===

Megatron and Demolishor launched a surprise attack against the Autobots, only to "cowardly" run away after Optimus Prime and Hot Shot stood up to them. {{storylink|Cave Catastrophe}}

Megatron and Demolishor also launched a sneak attack against the kids when they left themselves in the open, and were yet again bested by the two Autobots when they came to render aid. {{storylink|Race to Disaster}}

===Toy pack-in comics===
[[Image:Energon V4 Decepticons.jpg|thumb|]]
When [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] fell to his knees in battle, [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] sent Demolishor, [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Snow Cat]], and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Mirage]] to attack the beaten leader. Their attack was averted when they were blasted away by [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]]. {{storylink|Energon Volume 4}}
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===''TransTech''===
Demolishor was part of [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]]'s inner circle in the underlevels of [[Axiom Nexus]]. He was with Gutcruncher in [[The Blue Deployer]] the night the [[Action Master]] took [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] for a lot of money. {{storylink|Gone Too Far}}

==Toys==
===Armada===
[[Image:Armada Demolishor toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Best Decepticon yes-man toy, ever!]]
* '''Demolishor w/ Blackout''' (Deluxe, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MD-03'''
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles

: Demolishor transforms into an anti-aircraft missile tank of made-up model, though it appears to be heavily based on the ADATS weapon system. In vehicle mode, he has extra [[Mini-Con]] compatibility; there is a seat behind his turret so he can be piloted, plus the space between his treads features a clip/launcher mechanism for his partner [[Blackout (Armada)|Blackout]] in vehicle mode. Attaching a Mini-Con to his left shoulder's [[Powerlinx]] plug in either mode pushes his twin-missile launcher mechanism forward and allows his spring-loaded missiles to be fired.

: The toy also features an "Attack Base" mode that converts the tread assembly into an elevated base, turning Demolishor into a stationary anti-aircraft station. The station also features a seat which Blackout can sit on to "operate" the artillery.

: The Japanese release of Demolishor uses a different shade of tan, plus paints his face brown rather than black, among other smaller [[Paint operation|paint application]] changes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/Demolishor/demolishor.htm More information on Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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* '''Ironhide w/ Search and Land Military Microns''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MS-03'''
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles

: In Japan, Demolishor was available both separately and in a multi-pack with the [[Land Military Mini-Con Team]]. All toys in the set are identical to their individual releases.
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*'''Demolishor''' (Happy Meal toy, 2003)

: An extremely simplified version of the original Demolishor toy, he features a "battle damage" pop-off arm. He can combine with the other Happy Meal Decepticons to form a super vehicle. Kinda.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Decepticon/McDemolishor/demolishor.htm More information on Happy Meal Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Armadatoy-DemolishorPX.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Powerlinx Demolishor w/ Powerlinx Blackout''' (Deluxe, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MD-10'''
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles

: A late-series [[redeco]] of the original Demolishor in red and off-white. Part of the final wave of the Stateside ''Armada'' product, Demolishor's coloration was finalized after cardback photography was needed, so the card depicts a normal-colored Demolishor.
:This toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] for [[Demolishor (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Demolishor]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/PXDemolishor/demolishor.htm More information on Powerlinx Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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===Built to Rule===
*'''Demolishor''' (Built to Rule, 2003)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: One of the smaller ''[[Built to Rule]]'' sets, Demolishor's vehicle mode is still an anti-aircraft missile tank, but with only one firing rocket per side, activated by a pressure-launch mechanism using a rotating "drum". He also features working rubber treads. He comes with a building-block version of Blackout.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/BTRDemolishor/demolishor.htm More information on Built to Rule Demolishor at TFU.info]''

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[[Image:DemolishorNA-ABTR.jpg|right|125px|thumb|WUBBA WUBBA WUBBA.]]
*'''Night Attack Demolishor''' (Built to Rule, 2003)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

: Part of the final wave of ''Armada Built to Rule'', the first Demolishor set was redecoed into colors very close to those of the [[Night Attack Mini-Con Team]]. Again, he comes with a similarly colored version of Blackout.

: Night Attack Demolishor did not ship very prominently, but eventually could be found at Toys "R" Us stores for the heavily discounted price of $2 or so.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/NADemolishor/demolishor.htm More information on Built to Rule Night Attack Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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===Energon===
*'''Demolishor w/ Blackout''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SD-02'''
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles

: Originally released as part of the regular [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] ''Super Link'' series, the original Demolishor toy was given a new color scheme of lime green and purple. This version was later released in the US late in the ''Energon'' line as a [[KB Toys]] stores [[exclusive]] alongside the ''Super Link'' redeco of [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/KBDemolishor/demolishor.htm More information on ''Energon'' KB Toys Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Energon Demolishor toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|MUNKY IS TRUKK]]
*'''Demolishor''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SD-11'''
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles

: Demolishor's new body transforms into a large "earth-mover" dump truck. His truck bed contains four spring-loaded missiles, plus four "false", non-firing missiles. His center torso block can rotate forward to bring his launcher over his body for "[[Hyper Mode]]"... which puts his head right in the middle of his sternum. His truck bed also feature two pairs of "dead" Powerlinx plugs to attach Mini-Cons to, one pair on each side of the "flap", allowing for Mini-Con Powerlinxing in both truck and robot modes. According to Hasbro in [[Hasbro Q&A/August 2009: Answers|a Q&A]], he was supposed to be a new character named [[Long Haul (disambiguation)|Long Haul]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Decepticon/Demolishor/demolishor.htm More information on ''Energon'' Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Mcdemolishor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Good luck finding me.]]
*'''Demolishor''' (Happy Meal, 2004)

: Available only in some Latin America markets, one of the two ''Energon'' McDonald's Happy Meal promos (neither of which were done in the US!) featured a heavily-simplified version of dump-truck Demolishor with a spring-loaded transformation to robot mode.

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===Cybertron===
[[Image:Cybertron-toy_Demolishor.JPG|right|300px|thumb|"I'm not [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]]!"]]
*'''Demolishor''' (Deluxe-Class, 2006)
**''Accessories'': 4 missiles, Cyber Key

: A late addition to the line, the original tank mold was redecoed in a more military camo scheme. He does not come with his Mini-Con partner Blackout in this release; instead, he has a new-mold [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]-style [[Cyber Key]], without a molded [[insignia|faction sigil]], plus a Mini-Con-style Powerlinx socket on the back so it can be used to activate his missile launcher. The key has a painted Decepticon sigil, a purple border, and the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "'''dt67'''" printed on the back.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Decepticon/Demolishor/demolishor.htm More information on ''Cybertron'' Demolishor at TFU.info]''
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===Attacktix===
[[Image:Attacktix-Demolishor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|But our story isn't really about him...]]
*'''Demolishor''' (2006)
**''Attack Type'': Shooter (wide missile)

: Shown at Toy Fair 2006, ''[[Attacktix]]'' Demolishor is based on his ''Energon'' dump-truck body, with a back-mounted missile launcher that shot a wide-headed missile. He was placed in an early mock-up of the starter set, but ultimately only the vehicle-mode [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] piece would end up in the final product. The piece had no sticker on the front as well. And then... that was the last anyone ''saw'' of this piece. It was never shuffled into a later assortment or even mentioned anywhere. What the hell?
{{canceledattacktix}}
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==Notes==
* Reportedly, both of the original Demolishor toy's shoulders were to contain spring-loaded missile launchers, but one was removed for cost considerations.
* Powerlinx Demolishor was originally intended to be [[Sixshot]]-inspired, according to [[Aaron Archer]], because Demolishor's gun-hands reminded him of Sixshot. (No, we don't get it, either.) However, the red color scheme got decided on by [[We've]] and implemented first.
** It's possible that Aaron Archer meant "[[Six-Gun]]" and not "Sixshot". This would make much more sense since Demolishor does bear some similarities to Six-Gun.
[[Image:ARgame-DemoFight.jpg|right|180px|thumb|ARHH!!]]
* Demolishor was originally planned to be in the [[Transformers (PS2)|''Armada'' Playstation 2 game]] as a long-running boss fight in the Antarctic. According to the original storyboards (unlocked in the game by finding the appropriate [[Data-Con]] on the [[Pacific Island]] base), he was the pilot of the crashed starship (instead of [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]), and the player would have first fought him inside the control room of the ship. [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] was then to fire on the ship when Demolishor was near defeat, which would cause the ship to crash into the chasm below. The player would then have to chase Demolishor vertically through the downed ship and into an ice cavern, where he would try and drop stalactites on your head during your final confrontation. Why Demolishor was removed from the game is unknown, though the most likely explanation is time and budget concerns.
* ''Cybertron'' Demolishor's Key Code as printed on the key doesn't work properly, giving the information for the Deluxe-Class [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. However, the Code "'''D56B'''" gives Demolishor's information.
*According to the Armada IP Creative Bible, one of his production names was Scourge. Get it, Scourge, [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], and [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]]?
*Despite originating in the Unicron Trilogy, Demolishor has had [[Demolishor (SG)|two]] [[Demolishor (WFC)|characters]] based on him appear in [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|two]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|separate]] Generation 1-influenced continuities. Probably helped by [[Demolishor (ROTF)|his third namesake]] appearing in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Ironhide''' (アイアンハイド ''Aianhaido''), '''Irontread''' (dump truck body, アイアントレッド ''Aiantoreddo'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Pusztító'''
*''Korean:'' '''Hide''' (하이드 ''Haideu'')
*''Polish:'' '''Demolatron''' (''Armada''), '''Destruktor''' (''Energon'')
*''Russian:'' '''Razrushitel'''' (Разрушитель, "Devastator")

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Legends Class (2005)

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Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{disambig3|Legends}}
The '''Legends Class''' (originally known as '''Legends of Cybertron'''; see [[#Notes|Notes]] below) is a sub-line of ''Transformers'' toys that are about 3 inches (7.5 cm) in height. All the original sculpts are based on toys/characters that are also available in other sizes, with less sculpted detail and often with different, simplified transformations. Unlike other [[Size class|size classes]], which are viewed as part of the respective toyline they've been released under and nothing else, the ''Legends'' toys have been continuously numbered as "series" across three subsequent toy lines.

The ''Legends'' size class originally started out as a sub-set during the [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline]]'s run, featuring small, simple, easily affordable versions of some of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|show's]] core cast. Released in waves of four, the toys were originally available in smaller "[[market six]]" chain stores like Meijers for around $3.99, although later waves were later also available at Toys "R" Us and Kmart. The molds were later [[Redeco|redecoed]] as ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' characters for the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' line.

The [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]] introduced a batch of entirely new sculpts, later expanded by various redecos of those sculpts, most of which were available as part of the ''Allspark Battles'' two-packs (which also introduced more new sculpts).

The [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]] featured more redecos of the old ''Cybertron''-derived sculpts as ''Generation 1'' characters, coupled with new sculpts, which were alternatively "Classic" toys based on ''Generation 1'' and ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' characters and Legends-sized versions of ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' characters, which were released as part of the ''Universe'' rather than the [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|''Animated'' toy line]] (although minor redecos were also released as part of store [[exclusive]] multi-packs in ''Animated'' packaging).

The [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' line]] basically followed up from the 2007 ''Movie'' line with new sculpts for ''Revenge of the Fallen'' characters and some returning ''Movie'' characters, plus redecos of various 2007 ''Movie'' Legends Class toys. Some store exclusive multi-packs also contain redecos of ''Universe'' Legends Class molds. Thms continued through the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]], which first featured both redecos and new sculpts for ''Revenge of the Fallen'' characters, and later did like ''Universe'' and included a number of ''Generation 1'' characters as well.

The "Legends Class" name was dropped for the 2011 [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'' line]], when the size class was absorbed into a new sub-line called ''[[Cyberverse]]'' and renamed "Legion Class".

The Japanese counterpart to this line of toys is ''[[EZ Collection]]''.

==''Cybertron''==
===Series 1 (Wave 1)===
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]

===Series 2 (Wave 2)===
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]]
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]

{{note|Waves 1 and 2 were only available at smaller retailers and specialty stores. Waves 3 (including carry-overs from wave 2) and 4 were also available at [[Toys"R"Us]] and [[Kmart]].}}

===Series 3 (Wave 3)===
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (Cybertron Defense Red Alert body)
*[[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]
*[[Vector Prime]]

===Series 4 (Wave 4)===
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]] ([[Excellion (Cybertron)|Excellion]] deco)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Galaxy Force Optimus Prime deco)
*[[Sunstorm (LOC)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]

===US multi-packs===
*Legends 4-Pack ([[Target]] [[exclusive]]), contains:
**[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
**[[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]
**[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
**[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
{{Note|None of these toys were changed from their original single releases.}}

===Convention exclusives===
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] ([[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2005, free giveaway for attending Hasbro's showroom)
*[[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] ([[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] deco; [[BotCon 2005]], free giveaway for attending Hasbro's showroom)

==''Classics''==
===Series 5 (Wave 1)===
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (originally intended to be [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]])
*[[Lio Convoy|Leo Prime]]
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
*[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]

===Series 6 (Wave 2)===
{{note|This wave had even worse distribution than the early ''Cybertron'' waves and was only available at specialty stores and online retailers. They showed up in huge numbers at the Australian retail store Big W, for some reason.}}
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (originally intended to be [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]])
*[[Whirl (G1)|Autobot Whirl]]

===Cybertron Collection===
{{note|These toys were re-releases of past ''Legends'' figures in unchanged decos and ''Classics''-style packaging; they were found at KB Toys, Kmart, Big Lots and Meijer stores in 2008, although it's possible they were already available in 2007 — nobody really seemed to care.}}
* Hot Shot (Legends of Cybertron)
* Leo Prime (Classics Legends)
* Optimus Prime (Legends of Cybertron)
* Soundwave (Legends of Cybertron)

==''Movie (2007)''==
===Series 7 (Wave 1)===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]

{{note|Initial shipments of this wave included a slightly off-color version of Autobot Ratchet. Later shipments included a more widespread "fixed" color version. Both color variants were available in the United States as well as in other markets, including Europe.}}
===Series 8 (Wave 2)===
*[[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]

===Series 9 (Wave 3)===
{{note|This wave once again saw limited distibution on the United States market (possibly because retailers were discontinuing the ''Movie'' Legends Class single pack assortment). The two toys saw a more widespread release in other markets, including Europe.}}
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]

===Series 9 (Wave 4)===
{{note|These toys were only released as single packs in Europe and Australasia; elsewhere, they were released as part of ''Allspark Battles'' two-packs. Oddly, they were labeled as "Series 9", the same number previously used for the Starscream/Blackout wave (also on the "international"/European packaging).}}
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] (minor redeco)
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Recon Barricade]]

===Allspark Battles===
'''Wave 1'''
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] (minor redeco) vs. [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Rescue Ratchet]] vs. [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] vs. [[Barricade (Movie)|Recon Barricade]]

'''Wave 2'''
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] vs. [[Blackout (Movie)|Desert Blackout]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Nightwatch Optimus Prime]] vs. [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Stealth Starscream]]

'''Wave 3'''
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] (minor redeco) vs. [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*Battle Jazz vs. [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Ice Megatron]]

===Exclusive multi-packs===
*Generations Legends ([[Target]] [[exclusive]]), contains:
**[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Movie)
**[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Cybertron)
**[[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]] (Movie)
**[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]] (Cybertron)
*Battle for the Allspark ([[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive), contains:
**Optimus Prime
**[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]]
**[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
**Megatron
**[[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]
**[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*Leader Class Optimus Prime ([[Costco]] exclusive bonus pack), came with:
**Legends Class Bumblebee
**Legends Class Autobot Jazz
{{note|None of the toys from these packs were changed as compared to their single releases.}}

==''Animated''==
[[Image:AnimatedLegends.jpg|190px|thumb|]]
[[Hasbro Toy Shop]] had previously listed a category for an ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' Legends series, but no figures were announced, and it has since been removed from the site. Instead, Legends-sized toys based on ''Animated'' characters were released as part of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' line]].

However, there were two [[Target]] [[exclusive]] three-packs released as part of the ''Animated'' line, each containing a redeco of a mass retail ''Animated'' Deluxe Class toy and two redecoes of the ''Universe'' line's Legends Class figures.

===Target exclusive Deluxe bonus packs===
*[[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]], came with:
**Legends Class [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
**Legends Class [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Rescue Ratchet]], came with:
**Legends Class [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]
**Legends Class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]
{{Note|All four Legends figures sport minor differences compared to their ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' single releases.}}

The Legends from the Target Deluxe bonus packs were released in Japan in a wave with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends. See below.

==''Universe''==
===Wave 1===
* [[Onslaught (G1)|''Classic'' Onslaught]]
* [[Red Alert (G1)|''Classic'' Red Alert]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys|''Classic'' Starscream]]

===Wave 2===
* [[Jazz (G1)/toys|''Classic'' Autobot Jazz]]
* [[Hound (G1)|''Classic'' Autobot Hound]]
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|''Classic''/''Generation 2'' Megatron]]

===Wave 3===
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|''Animated'' Optimus Prime]]
* [[Prowl (Animated)|''Animated'' Prowl]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]]

===Wave 4===
* [[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]]
* [[Brawn (G1)|''G1'' Brawn]]
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|''G1'' Beachcomber]]
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|''G1'' Bumblebee]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Cosmos (G1)|''G1'' Autobot Cosmos]]
* [[Warpath (G1)|''G1'' Warpath]]
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|''G1'' Rodimus]]
* [[Wheelie (G1)|''G1'' Autobot Wheelie]]

===Target exclusive 5-packs===
* '''Aerial Rivals''' (Classic Series):

:* [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]]
:* [[Blades (G1)|Blades]]
:* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]]
:* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]

* '''Special Team Leaders''' (Classic Series):

:* [[Hot Spot (G1)|Autobot Hot Zone]]
:* [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]
:* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]
:* [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattorshot]]
:* [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]

==Revenge of the Fallen==
===Wave 1===
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Springer (ROTF)|Autobot Springer]]
===Wave 2===
* [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]
===Wave 3===
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Enforcer Ironhide]]
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
* [[The Fallen]]
===Wave 4===
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
* [[Tankor (ROTF)|Tankor]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Recon Bumblebee]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Autobot Wheelie]]
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Bluesteel Sideswipe]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Power Armor Optimus Prime]]
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]

===Wave 6===
* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]
* [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Stealth Bumblebee]]

===Multi-packs===
* "[[The Fury of Fearswoop]]" ([[Walmart]] [[exclusive]]), a redeco of Deluxe Class [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] available with:
**Legends Class [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ("battle damaged" redeco)
**Legends Class [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] ("battle damaged" redeco)

*"[[Straightaway Shootout]]" ([[Target]] exclusive), contains:
**[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (more [[show-accuracy|movie-accurate]] colors than Enforcer Ironhide)
**[[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]] (redeco of Sideswipe)
**[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] (new deco)
**[[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]] (redeco of ''Movie'' [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]])
**[[Sparkcrusher]] (redeco of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]])

*"[[War for the Skies]]" ([[Kmart]] exclusive), contains:
**[[Blades (ROTF)|Autobot Blades]] (redeco of Springer)
**Jetfire (in inverted colors)
**[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (redeco of Starscream)
**[[Spinister (ROTF)|Spinister]] (redeco of Blackout/Grindor)

*"Two-packs" ([[Target]] exclusive) which were release in three different two-packs:
**[[Bumblebee (Movie) | Bumblebee]] and [[Shadow Striker (ROTF) | Shadow Striker]]
**[[Smokescreen (Movie) | Smokescreen]] and [[Starscream (Movie) | Starscream]]
**[[Mudflap (ROTF) | Rally Mudflap]] and [[Skids (ROTF) | Offroad Skids]]
{{Note| Bumblebee has a similar deco to his original release, but has stripes on his door, and Shadow Striker is a repaint of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Wheelie (G1) | Wheelie]]. Smokescreen is a repaint of ''Universe'' [[Hot Rod (G1) | Rodimus]], and Starscream sports new deco.}}

*"Devastator" (Walmart exclusive - U.S ) (Only At Argos - UK ) includes:
**[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
**[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
**[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]
**[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scapper]]
**[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
**[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
**[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
All of which combine together to form [[Devastator (ROTF) | Devastator]]
{{Note| These appear to be the same as their Japanese counterparts, but are released together combined as Devastator}}

==Transformers (2010)==
===Wave 1===
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Fireburst Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Cyberfire Bumblebee]]
* [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
* [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
{{note|Fireburst Optimus Prime and Cyberfire Bumblebee are redecos of the ROTF Legends. Ravage and Rampage are new sculpts. Rampage's toy is a new sculpt which does ''not'' combine with the other Legends Class Constructicons to form Devastator like his previous one did.}}

===Wave 2===
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* [[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]]
* [[Hound (G1)|Tracker Hound]]
* [[Override (TF 2010)|Override]]
{{note|Like Rampage, this Long Haul is a new sculpt that does not combine into Devastator. Sandstorm is a redeco of Universe Beachcomber. Tracker Hound is a redeco of Universe Hound, and Override is a redeco of ROTF Sideways.}}

===Wave 3===
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Tuner Skids]]
* [[Duststorm (TF 2010)|Duststorm]]

===Wave 4===
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Gold Bumblebee]]
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
* [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]

===Exclusives===
* ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)| War for Cybertron]]'' [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] (exclusive in the [[United Kingdom]], redeco of ''Legends of Cybertron'' Starscream)
* G1 Colors Legends [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] (Toys"R"Us exclusive, has different plastic colors and paint applications from the Japanese release)
{{note|The below four were available at stores such as Dollar General and Big Lots. Optimus Prime and Starscream were later also available as [[variant#running changes|running change variants]] with retooled hands and pegholes compatible with [[C joint|3mm posts]] and the weapon accessories from ''Generations'' Legends [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Generations|Thundercracker]] (see below), respectively.}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Optimus Prime]] (2010 ''Transformers'' Optimus Prime in ''Chronicle'' Convoy's colors)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]] (unchanged re-release of ''Universe'' Megatron)
*[[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]] (2010 ''Transformers'' Starscream in ''Chronicle'' Starscream's colors)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]] (minor redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Cyberverse Cybertronian Bumblebee)

==Generations==
'''Series 01 (''Fall of Cybertron'')'''
[[Image:GenerationsFOCRamhorn.JPG|right|thumb|250px|You'll need more than a glass of water to swallow ''this'' tablet.]]
'''Wave 1'''
* #001 [[Ravage (WFC)#Generations|Ravage]] & [[Rumble (WFC)#Generations|Decepticon Rumble]]
* #002 [[Frenzy (WFC)#Generations|Decepticon Frenzy]] (redeco of #001 Decepticon Rumble) & [[Ratbat (WFC)#Generations|Ratbat]] (retool of Laserbeak from Voyager Class Soundwave)

'''Wave 2'''
* #003 [[Eject (FOC)#Generations|Eject]] (retool of #001 Decepticon Rumble) & [[Ramhorn (FOC)#Generations|Ramhorn]]
* #004 [[Rewind (FOC)#Generations|Autobot Rewind]] (redeco of #003 Eject) & [[Sunder (FOC)#Generations|Sunder]] (redeco of Laserbeak from Voyager Class Soundwave)

'''Series 02 (''Thrilling 30'')'''
[[Image:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsMegatronChopShop.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Still just a miner, but hey, check out this bug I found!]]
'''Wave 3'''
* #001 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Legends|Optimus Prime]] & [[Roller (G1)#Generations|Autobot Roller]]
* #002 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Generations|Bumblebee]] & [[Blaze Master#Generations|Blazemaster]]

'''Wave 4'''
* #003 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generations|Starscream]] & [[Waspinator (BW)#Generations|Waspinator]]
* #004 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generations|Megatron]] & [[Chop Shop]]

'''Wave 5'''
* [[Swerve (G1)#Generations|Swerve]] with [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Flanker]]
* [[Cosmos (G1)#Generations|Autobot Cosmos]] with [[Blast Master|Payload]]
{{comingsoontoy}}

'''Wave 6'''
* [[Shrapnel (G1)#Generations|Sharpshot]] with [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]
* [[Tailgate (G1)#Generations|Tailgate]] with [[Groundpounder]]
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

===Exclusives===
{{note|These were originally Hasbro Asia exclusives in Generations packaging. Each was retooled with [[C joint|3mm ports]] and included new weapons, but they were still called "Legends Class" rather than "[[Cyberverse]]" on their packaging. They were later released as [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]] exclusives in the United States.}}
*[[Hoist (G1)#Generations|Hoist]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Trailbreaker (G1)#2010legend|Trailcutter]])
*[[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' Optimus Prime)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Legends|Thundercracker]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#2010legend|Starscream]], but different than the ''EZ Collection'' Thundercracker)
*[[Bluestreak (G1)#Generations|Bluestreak]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#2010legend|Prowl]], but different than the ''EZ Collection'' Streak)

==Notes==
* During the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toyline's run, there was some confusion as to the actual name of the price-point: It was variously solicited to online retailers as ''Cybertron All-Stars'' and ''Legends of Cybertron''. Online retailers even confirmed having received initial shipments alternatively sporting either name on the shipping cases, although later shipments exclusively sported the "Legends" name. The toys themselves, however, didn't sport ''any'' size-class-specific name on the packaging. Meanwhile, [[Hasbro]] originally listed the toys under the name ''Cybertron Micro Series'' on their [http://www.transformers.com/ official Transformers website], but later changed those listings to "Legends" as well. Later toylines that included toys of the same size class (including [[Redeco|redecos]] of the ''Cybertron''-derived molds) specifically used names such as ''Legends Class'' on the packaging, so that title seems to have won out. However, the "Cybertron" part of the name has never been used in an official capacity anywhere outside the ''Cybertron'' toyline.

[[Category:Animated]]
[[Category:Classics]]
[[Category:Cybertron franchise]]
[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

Legends Class (2005)

2013-09-23T04:30:42Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{disambig3|Legends}}
The '''Legends Class''' (originally known as '''Legends of Cybertron'''; see [[#Notes|Notes]] below) is a sub-line of ''Transformers'' toys that are about 3 inches (7.5 cm) in height. All the original sculpts are based on toys/characters that are also available in other sizes, with less sculpted detail and often with different, simplified transformations. Unlike other [[Size class|size classes]], which are viewed as part of the respective toyline they've been released under and nothing else, the ''Legends'' toys have been continuously numbered as "series" across three subsequent toy lines.

The ''Legends'' size class originally started out as a sub-set during the [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline]]'s run, featuring small, simple, easily affordable versions of some of the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|show's]] core cast. Released in waves of four, the toys were originally available in smaller "[[market six]]" chain stores like Meijers for around $3.99, although later waves were later also available at Toys "R" Us and Kmart. The molds were later [[Redeco|redecoed]] as ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' characters for the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' line.

The [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]] introduced a batch of entirely new sculpts, later expanded by various redecos of those sculpts, most of which were available as part of the ''Allspark Battles'' two-packs (which also introduced more new sculpts).

The [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' line]] featured more redecos of the old ''Cybertron''-derived sculpts as ''Generation 1'' characters, coupled with new sculpts, which were alternatively "Classic" toys based on ''Generation 1'' and ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'' characters and Legends-sized versions of ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' characters, which were released as part of the ''Universe'' rather than the [[Transformers Animated (toyline)|''Animated'' toy line]] (although minor redecos were also released as part of store [[exclusive]] multi-packs in ''Animated'' packaging).

The [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' line]] basically followed up from the 2007 ''Movie'' line with new sculpts for ''Revenge of the Fallen'' characters and some returning ''Movie'' characters, plus redecos of various 2007 ''Movie'' Legends Class toys. Some store exclusive multi-packs also contain redecos of ''Universe'' Legends Class molds. Thms continued through the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' line]], which first featured both redecos and new sculpts for ''Revenge of the Fallen'' characters, and later did like ''Universe'' and included a number of ''Generation 1'' characters as well.

The "Legends Class" name was dropped for the 2011 [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|''Dark of the Moon'' line]], when the size class was absorbed into a new sub-line called ''[[Cyberverse]]'' and renamed "Legion Class".

The Japanese counterpart to this line of toys is ''[[EZ Collection]]''.

==''Cybertron''==
===Series 1 (Wave 1)===
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]]

===Series 2 (Wave 2)===
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]]
*[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]]
*[[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]]

{{note|Waves 1 and 2 were only available at smaller retailers and specialty stores. Waves 3 (including carry-overs from wave 2) and 4 were also available at [[Toys"R"Us]] and [[Kmart]].}}

===Series 3 (Wave 3)===
*[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Galvatron]]
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (Cybertron Defense Red Alert body)
*[[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]
*[[Vector Prime]]

===Series 4 (Wave 4)===
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]] ([[Excellion (Cybertron)|Excellion]] deco)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Galaxy Force Optimus Prime deco)
*[[Sunstorm (LOC)|Sunstorm]]
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]

===US multi-packs===
*Legends 4-Pack ([[Target]] [[exclusive]]), contains:
**[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]]
**[[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]
**[[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]
**[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
{{Note|None of these toys were changed from their original single releases.}}

===Convention exclusives===
*[[Skywarp (Armada)|Skywarp]] ([[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2005, free giveaway for attending Hasbro's showroom)
*[[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] ([[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]] deco; [[BotCon 2005]], free giveaway for attending Hasbro's showroom)

==''Classics''==
===Series 5 (Wave 1)===
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (originally intended to be [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]])
*[[Lio Convoy|Leo Prime]]
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]
*[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]

===Series 6 (Wave 2)===
{{note|This wave had even worse distribution than the early ''Cybertron'' waves and was only available at specialty stores and online retailers. They showed up in huge numbers at the Australian retail store Big W, for some reason.}}
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (originally intended to be [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]])
*[[Whirl (G1)|Autobot Whirl]]

===Cybertron Collection===
{{note|These toys were re-releases of past ''Legends'' figures in unchanged decos and ''Classics''-style packaging; they were found at KB Toys, Kmart, Big Lots and Meijer stores in 2008, although it's possible they were already available in 2007 — nobody really seemed to care.}}
* Hot Shot (Legends of Cybertron)
* Leo Prime (Classics Legends)
* Optimus Prime (Legends of Cybertron)
* Soundwave (Legends of Cybertron)

==''Movie (2007)''==
===Series 7 (Wave 1)===
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]

{{note|Initial shipments of this wave included a slightly off-color version of Autobot Ratchet. Later shipments included a more widespread "fixed" color version. Both color variants were available in the United States as well as in other markets, including Europe.}}
===Series 8 (Wave 2)===
*[[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]

===Series 9 (Wave 3)===
{{note|This wave once again saw limited distibution on the United States market (possibly because retailers were discontinuing the ''Movie'' Legends Class single pack assortment). The two toys saw a more widespread release in other markets, including Europe.}}
*[[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]

===Series 9 (Wave 4)===
{{note|These toys were only released as single packs in Europe and Australasia; elsewhere, they were released as part of ''Allspark Battles'' two-packs. Oddly, they were labeled as "Series 9", the same number previously used for the Starscream/Blackout wave (also on the "international"/European packaging).}}
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] (minor redeco)
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Recon Barricade]]

===Allspark Battles===
'''Wave 1'''
*[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]] (minor redeco) vs. [[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Bonecrusher]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Rescue Ratchet]] vs. [[Brawl (Movie)|Decepticon Brawl]]
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]] vs. [[Barricade (Movie)|Recon Barricade]]

'''Wave 2'''
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] vs. [[Blackout (Movie)|Desert Blackout]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Nightwatch Optimus Prime]] vs. [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Stealth Starscream]]

'''Wave 3'''
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]] (minor redeco) vs. [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]]
*Battle Jazz vs. [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Ice Megatron]]

===Exclusive multi-packs===
*Generations Legends ([[Target]] [[exclusive]]), contains:
**[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Movie)
**[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]] (Cybertron)
**[[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]] (Movie)
**[[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]] (Cybertron)
*Battle for the Allspark ([[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive), contains:
**Optimus Prime
**[[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]]
**[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
**Megatron
**[[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]
**[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]]
*Leader Class Optimus Prime ([[Costco]] exclusive bonus pack), came with:
**Legends Class Bumblebee
**Legends Class Autobot Jazz
{{note|None of the toys from these packs were changed as compared to their single releases.}}

==''Animated''==
[[Image:AnimatedLegends.jpg|190px|thumb|]]
[[Hasbro Toy Shop]] had previously listed a category for an ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]'' Legends series, but no figures were announced, and it has since been removed from the site. Instead, Legends-sized toys based on ''Animated'' characters were released as part of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' line]].

However, there were two [[Target]] [[exclusive]] three-packs released as part of the ''Animated'' line, each containing a redeco of a mass retail ''Animated'' Deluxe Class toy and two redecoes of the ''Universe'' line's Legends Class figures.

===Target exclusive Deluxe bonus packs===
*[[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]], came with:
**Legends Class [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
**Legends Class [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Rescue Ratchet]], came with:
**Legends Class [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]
**Legends Class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]
{{Note|All four Legends figures sport minor differences compared to their ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' single releases.}}

The Legends from the Target Deluxe bonus packs were released in Japan in a wave with ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Legends. See below.

==''Universe''==
===Wave 1===
* [[Onslaught (G1)|''Classic'' Onslaught]]
* [[Red Alert (G1)|''Classic'' Red Alert]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys|''Classic'' Starscream]]

===Wave 2===
* [[Jazz (G1)/toys|''Classic'' Autobot Jazz]]
* [[Hound (G1)|''Classic'' Autobot Hound]]
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|''Classic''/''Generation 2'' Megatron]]

===Wave 3===
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|''Animated'' Optimus Prime]]
* [[Prowl (Animated)|''Animated'' Prowl]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]]

===Wave 4===
* [[Starscream (Animated)|''Animated'' Starscream]]
* [[Brawn (G1)|''G1'' Brawn]]
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|''G1'' Beachcomber]]
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|''G1'' Bumblebee]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Cosmos (G1)|''G1'' Autobot Cosmos]]
* [[Warpath (G1)|''G1'' Warpath]]
* [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|''G1'' Rodimus]]
* [[Wheelie (G1)|''G1'' Autobot Wheelie]]

===Target exclusive 5-packs===
* '''Aerial Rivals''' (Classic Series):

:* [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]]
:* [[Blades (G1)|Blades]]
:* [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]
:* [[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]]
:* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]

* '''Special Team Leaders''' (Classic Series):

:* [[Hot Spot (G1)|Autobot Hot Zone]]
:* [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]]
:* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]]
:* [[Scattershot (G1)|Scattorshot]]
:* [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]

==Revenge of the Fallen==
===Wave 1===
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]
* [[Jetfire (ROTF)|Jetfire]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Springer (ROTF)|Autobot Springer]]
===Wave 2===
* [[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]]
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]]
* [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]]
===Wave 3===
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Enforcer Ironhide]]
* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]]
* [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]]
* [[The Fallen]]
===Wave 4===
* [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]]
* [[Tankor (ROTF)|Tankor]]
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Autobot Skids]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Recon Bumblebee]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Autobot Wheelie]]
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Bluesteel Sideswipe]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Power Armor Optimus Prime]]
* [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]

===Wave 6===
* [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]]
* [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Stealth Bumblebee]]

===Multi-packs===
* "[[The Fury of Fearswoop]]" ([[Walmart]] [[exclusive]]), a redeco of Deluxe Class [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] available with:
**Legends Class [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ("battle damaged" redeco)
**Legends Class [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] ("battle damaged" redeco)

*"[[Straightaway Shootout]]" ([[Target]] exclusive), contains:
**[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] (more [[show-accuracy|movie-accurate]] colors than Enforcer Ironhide)
**[[Swerve (Movie)|Swerve]] (redeco of Sideswipe)
**[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] (new deco)
**[[Runamuck (ROTF)|Runamuck]] (redeco of ''Movie'' [[Jazz (Movie)|Autobot Jazz]])
**[[Sparkcrusher]] (redeco of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]])

*"[[War for the Skies]]" ([[Kmart]] exclusive), contains:
**[[Blades (ROTF)|Autobot Blades]] (redeco of Springer)
**Jetfire (in inverted colors)
**[[Thundercracker (Movie)|Thundercracker]] (redeco of Starscream)
**[[Spinister (ROTF)|Spinister]] (redeco of Blackout/Grindor)

*"Two-packs" ([[Target]] exclusive) which were release in three different two-packs:
**[[Bumblebee (Movie) | Bumblebee]] and [[Shadow Striker (ROTF) | Shadow Striker]]
**[[Smokescreen (Movie) | Smokescreen]] and [[Starscream (Movie) | Starscream]]
**[[Mudflap (ROTF) | Rally Mudflap]] and [[Skids (ROTF) | Offroad Skids]]
{{Note| Bumblebee has a similar deco to his original release, but has stripes on his door, and Shadow Striker is a repaint of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Wheelie (G1) | Wheelie]]. Smokescreen is a repaint of ''Universe'' [[Hot Rod (G1) | Rodimus]], and Starscream sports new deco.}}

*"Devastator" (Walmart exclusive - U.S ) (Only At Argos - UK ) includes:
**[[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]]
**[[Scavenger (ROTF)|Scavenger]]
**[[Overload (ROTF)|Overload]]
**[[Scrapper (ROTF)|Scapper]]
**[[Hightower (ROTF)|Hightower]]
**[[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
**[[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
All of which combine together to form [[Devastator (ROTF) | Devastator]]
{{Note| These appear to be the same as their Japanese counterparts, but are released together combined as Devastator}}

==Transformers (2010)==
===Wave 1===
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Fireburst Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Cyberfire Bumblebee]]
* [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage]]
* [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]]
{{note|Fireburst Optimus Prime and Cyberfire Bumblebee are redecos of the ROTF Legends. Ravage and Rampage are new sculpts. Rampage's toy is a new sculpt which does ''not'' combine with the other Legends Class Constructicons to form Devastator like his previous one did.}}

===Wave 2===
* [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]
* [[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]]
* [[Hound (G1)|Tracker Hound]]
* [[Override (TF 2010)|Override]]
{{note|Like Rampage, this Long Haul is a new sculpt that does not combine into Devastator. Sandstorm is a redeco of Universe Beachcomber. Tracker Hound is a redeco of Universe Hound, and Override is a redeco of ROTF Sideways.}}

===Wave 3===
* [[Skids (ROTF)|Tuner Skids]]
* [[Duststorm (TF 2010)|Duststorm]]

===Wave 4===
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Gold Bumblebee]]
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]

===Wave 5===
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]
* [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]

===Exclusives===
* ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)| War for Cybertron]]'' [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] (exclusive in the [[United Kingdom]], redeco of ''Legends of Cybertron'' Starscream)
* G1 Colors Legends [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] (Toys"R"Us exclusive, has different plastic colors and paint applications from the Japanese release)
{{note|The below four were available at stores such as Dollar General and Big Lots. Optimus Prime and Starscream were later also available as [[variant#running changes|running change variants]] with retooled hands and pegholes compatible with [[C joint|3mm posts]] and the weapon accessories from ''Generations'' Legends [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] and [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Generations|Thundercracker]] (see below), respectively.}}
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Optimus Prime]] (2010 ''Transformers'' Optimus Prime in ''Chronicle'' Convoy's colors)
*[[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]] (unchanged re-release of ''Universe'' Megatron)
*[[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]] (2010 ''Transformers'' Starscream in ''Chronicle'' Starscream's colors)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]] (minor redeco of ''Dark of the Moon'' Cyberverse Cybertronian Bumblebee)

==Generations==

==2012–2014==
===Legends Class===
'''Series 01 (''Fall of Cybertron'')'''
[[Image:GenerationsFOCRamhorn.JPG|right|thumb|250px|You'll need more than a glass of water to swallow ''this'' tablet.]]
'''Wave 1'''
* #001 [[Ravage (WFC)#Generations|Ravage]] & [[Rumble (WFC)#Generations|Decepticon Rumble]]
* #002 [[Frenzy (WFC)#Generations|Decepticon Frenzy]] (redeco of #001 Decepticon Rumble) & [[Ratbat (WFC)#Generations|Ratbat]] (retool of Laserbeak from Voyager Class Soundwave)

'''Wave 2'''
* #003 [[Eject (FOC)#Generations|Eject]] (retool of #001 Decepticon Rumble) & [[Ramhorn (FOC)#Generations|Ramhorn]]
* #004 [[Rewind (FOC)#Generations|Autobot Rewind]] (redeco of #003 Eject) & [[Sunder (FOC)#Generations|Sunder]] (redeco of Laserbeak from Voyager Class Soundwave)

'''Series 02 (''Thrilling 30'')'''
[[Image:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsMegatronChopShop.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Still just a miner, but hey, check out this bug I found!]]
'''Wave 3'''
* #001 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Legends|Optimus Prime]] & [[Roller (G1)#Generations|Autobot Roller]]
* #002 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Generations|Bumblebee]] & [[Blaze Master#Generations|Blazemaster]]

'''Wave 4'''
* #003 [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Generations|Starscream]] & [[Waspinator (BW)#Generations|Waspinator]]
* #004 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generations|Megatron]] & [[Chop Shop]]

'''Wave 5'''
* [[Swerve (G1)#Generations|Swerve]] with [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Flanker]]
* [[Cosmos (G1)#Generations|Autobot Cosmos]] with [[Blast Master|Payload]]
{{comingsoontoy}}

'''Wave 6'''
* [[Shrapnel (G1)#Generations|Sharpshot]] with [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]
* [[Tailgate (G1)#Generations|Tailgate]] with [[Groundpounder]]
{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

{{note|These were originally Hasbro Asia exclusives in Generations packaging. Each was retooled with [[C joint|3mm ports]] and included new weapons, but they were still called "Legends Class" rather than "[[Cyberverse]]" on their packaging. They were later released as [[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]] exclusives in the United States.}}
*[[Hoist (G1)#Generations|Hoist]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Trailbreaker (G1)#2010legend|Trailcutter]])
*[[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' Optimus Prime)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Legends|Thundercracker]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys#2010legend|Starscream]], but different than the ''EZ Collection'' Thundercracker)
*[[Bluestreak (G1)#Generations|Bluestreak]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#2010legend|Prowl]], but different than the ''EZ Collection'' Streak)

==Notes==
* During the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' toyline's run, there was some confusion as to the actual name of the price-point: It was variously solicited to online retailers as ''Cybertron All-Stars'' and ''Legends of Cybertron''. Online retailers even confirmed having received initial shipments alternatively sporting either name on the shipping cases, although later shipments exclusively sported the "Legends" name. The toys themselves, however, didn't sport ''any'' size-class-specific name on the packaging. Meanwhile, [[Hasbro]] originally listed the toys under the name ''Cybertron Micro Series'' on their [http://www.transformers.com/ official Transformers website], but later changed those listings to "Legends" as well. Later toylines that included toys of the same size class (including [[Redeco|redecos]] of the ''Cybertron''-derived molds) specifically used names such as ''Legends Class'' on the packaging, so that title seems to have won out. However, the "Cybertron" part of the name has never been used in an official capacity anywhere outside the ''Cybertron'' toyline.

[[Category:Animated]]
[[Category:Classics]]
[[Category:Cybertron franchise]]
[[Category:Movie]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

Cosmos (G1)

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Skyshock Thunderblast:

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{{disambig3|Cosmos}}
:''Cosmos is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]''.

[[File:G1CosmosColorModel.jpg|300px|thumb|He can trounce any Sharkticon in a pie-eating contest.]]
Fast and intelligent, bored and lonely, '''Cosmos''' has reason to regret his abilities, which often separate him from his [[Autobot]] friends. Alas, his skills are far too extraordinary to ignore.

Few of his faction can achieve escape velocity and enter planetary orbit unaided, as he can, from planets as big as [[Earth]] or slightly larger. He carries fuel reserves sufficient for short orbital journeys; he is quite able to land on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], then take off and return to Earth. Cosmos enjoys such diversions immensely. Generally, however, he remains in orbit, relaying messages, observing enemy installations, and watching for [[Decepticon]] activity in nearby space. His optical sensors are able to observe a human radio host standing outside in the high desert from 600 miles up.

As a living [[Transformer]], his advantage over a simple satellite is great, but it is a boring life for Cosmos. Every so often he breaks the monotony by hovering eerily above the backyards of Earth citizens, drifting silently behind the cars of lone drivers with his running lights on, or briefly jamming TV transmissions with reruns of ''The Outer Limits''. He has also been known to zigzag through meteor showers on a clear night, showing off his space piloting skills. Naturally, this causes some consternation to the poor humans he is supposed to defend, but it's all in good fun. [[Primus]] save us from bored techies.

{{quote|This is terrible!}}
{{quote|Cosmos has been in worse predicaments...|Jazz and Perceptor on one of our hero's many misadventures|"[[The God Gambit]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
:''Voice actor'': [[Michael McConnohie]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese), [[Enrique Garduza]] (Latin American)

[[File:MMP2 Cosmos at controls.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Stop bugging me! I've almost beaten ''Undefined Fantastic Object''!]]
Space. The final frontier. These are the voyages of Cosmos, Autobot deep-space reconnaissance officer. His continuing mission—to observe Decepticon activities. To provide intelligence to the Autobots in their never ending war. To boldly crash where no other Autobot has crashed before.

Our hero began his adventures with a bang, appearing out of nowhere to blindly lead the Autobot spacecraft straight into the sun. If not for the impetuous [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] trying to change their course and realizing the controls were locked, Cosmos would have had the greatest crash of all. Still, he did his best to save his fellow Autobots in the end, as his deep space armor allowed Cosmos to come inside the ship and continue poking vainly at the control panel long after the others collapsed from their circuits overheating. [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]'s force field eventually saved the Autobots, and they managed to vacate the crumbling ship inside a massive force sphere, tethered to Cosmos to bring them back to Earth. Cosmos's knack for crashing almost did them in anyhow, though — the same reprogrammed guidance directives that were controlling their ship were now being beamed by [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] to Cosmos himself, forcing him to lead the force sphere back on a course into the sun. Only the freak chance of the Decepticon [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] visiting the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and blowing up Teletraan I on a whim saved the Autobots, and allowed Cosmos to begin towing them back to Earth. Even though time was of the essence, we can only assume Cosmos didn't crash-land upon re-entry. {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}}

[[File:Blasterbluesonthemoon.jpg|300px|thumb|I choose Bachelor #2!]]
When next seen, Cosmos was patrolling the spaceways for Decepticon activity with [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (probably as a punishment for actually liking Blaster's taste in music) when they came across a [[Decepticon moonbase|lunar base]] being run by [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]. Against logic and precedent, Cosmos actually managed to make a perfect two point landing on a hillside near the base to eavesdrop. Enraged at Cosmos for defying all expectations and NOT crashing (not to mention the, uh... spying he was doing), Megatron ordered Astrotrain to bring him in as a prisoner. Prisoners of war, Cosmos and Blaster were then welded to the wall and used as a power booster and tuning mechanism for Megatron's trans-scrambler, wiping out all radio contact on Earth. Luckily, Blaster managed to send his own signal along Megatron's scrambling beam, alerting the Autobots to their location. [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] arrived and drew the Decepticons' attention away from their base. Left alone, Cosmos had to do little more than raise his arm to fire off a particle beam that totally destroyed Megatron's antenna array and saved the day, teaching tyrants everywhere once and for all not to underestimate an Autobot just because he's short, fat, ugly, lonely, nerdy and more than a little (Dare we say it?) spacey... {{storylink|Blaster Blues}}

[[File:Gambittitans&cosmos.jpg|left|250px|thumb|I told you we should have gone hunting turkeys, but nooooooo...]]
Possibly Cosmos's shining moment was one for most of which he wasn't even conscious. Cosmos crash-landed rather dramatically on [[Titan (moon)|Titan]] after being shot down by the pursuing Astrotrain, who was after the energy data the Autobot carried. Cosmos's body was discovered by [[Titan (species)|the moon's natives]], but Astrotrain quickly followed up, having overheard their superstitious discussion and set himself up as one of their [[Sky God]]s. The cowed, religious people quickly obeyed him, and Astrotrain put Cosmos's body in the main temple for use as an idol. The rebel [[Talaria]] overheard Astrotrain musing to himself about Cosmos's short-circuit and managed to use Cosmos's systems to get an SOS to the Autobots on [[Earth]]. With barely enough power flowing through his systems to stay active, Cosmos found a better use for it: shooting [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]. With the Decepticon occupied for the moment, Talaria was able to escape unmolested. [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] were dispatched to Titan via Omega Supreme, and Cosmos was recovered, the Decepticons sent packing, and the Titans were freed from religious dogma. {{storylink|The God Gambit}}

Somehow, Cosmos managed to talk [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] into letting him serve on Earth for a while as part of the Autobots' joint Crimebuster program with the NYPD. He observed a traffic jam while hovering over Times Square, and later tried to chase down Starscream on foot with [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], only to end up causing massive structural damage to a human mall. Incidentally, Cosmos was back in space very shortly. {{storylink|Make Tracks}}

[[File:QuestForSurvival Cosmos ejects escape pod.jpg|240px|thumb|"Hang on while I jettison my head."]]
After [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] pumped out hundreds of [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticlones]] to swarm over the countryside and gather power, Prime sent Cosmos into space to retrieve a giant can of [[robotic insecticide]]. (Really — we can't make this stuff up.) On his way back with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]], though, Cosmos was attacked by [[Morphobot]]s on [[Floron III]]. Although he managed to break loose of their grip, the techno-organic plants left behind spores on his hull which quickly developed into fully functioning vines that entangled Cosmos as he tried to re-enter Earth's atmosphere. Spike and Bumblebee escaped in an ejector chamber, but Cosmos did his crash-landing bit and was covered in Morphobots by the time he came to a stop, with the robotic insecticide can still inside him. Bumblebee summoned the other Autobots to try and help, and it was Blaster's obnoxious music that ultimately cleared the way and allowed them to free Cosmos. [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] promised to give Cosmos "the best overhaul he'd ever had" when they got back to the Ark. Uh-huh... niiiiiice... {{storylink|Quest for Survival}}

[[File:Cosmos in space.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Good evening, citizens of Earth.]]
When he uncovered a Decepticon operation to mine ore from an asteroid they'd pulled into orbit, Cosmos rushed back to warn Prime and gather a strike force. Optimus stressed caution instead and ordered Cosmos back up into space to acquire some hard evidence on the Decepticon activity. Cosmos did as he was asked and actually managed to grab a sample of ore right out of Astrotrain while the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] were loading him up. He brought this "hard evidence" back to Earth to show Prime. The Autobot leader commended Cosmos on his work, but he wasn't quite done and sent Cosmos back out into orbit yet again, this time to track Astrotrain to the refinery the Decepticons must have been using to process the ore. Prime loves his outer space yo-yo. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

When [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]] intercepted a distress signal, Cosmos carried him, Bumblebee and Perceptor to the planet of the [[Tlalakan]]s, a humanoid race held captive by the Decepticons. Too late, they realized that it was a Decepticon distress call. Droids blasted Cosmos, who (surprise, surprise) crashed on the planet. He remained damaged for a time, too much so to participate in many of the Autobots' adventures on the planet. {{storylink|Sea Change}}

Overflying [[Chumley|Lord Chumley]]'s castle, Cosmos reported back to headquarters that he'd found the Autobots who'd gone missing. He was able to transmit footage of the captives being subjected to Chumley's fiendish torture devices and report his coordinates to Teletraan I, but his transmission was cut off by Chumley himself, who invited Optimus to try and save his friends. {{storylink|Prime Target (episode)|Prime Target}}

Cosmos, once again teamed with Blaster, scoured the universe for more [[Ingredient X]] so that Perceptor could concoct more [[corrostop]]. One can only imagine how many moons and planets he bravely crash-landed on in his fruitless search. {{storylink|Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust}}

[[File:GrimlocksNewBrain Cosmos and SkyLynx crashed.jpg|250px|thumb|By season 3 he'd crashed so much he'd gone off-model.]]
After the Autobots retook Cybertron, Cosmos was on the planet monitoring incoming space traffic with [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] and Blaster. The planet was locked down due to the threat of an imminent attack, but an incoming human shuttle reported a mayday, and Kup ordered Cosmos to let it land. Unfortunately it was a trick, and they watched it crash into Cybertron's central power facility, disabling the planetary defences. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

Some time later, Cosmos was late flying in to Cybertron with [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] to see the activation of the new power platform. On his entry vector, Cosmos was blasted with [[anti-electron]]s, a dangerous substance designed to disrupt his normal operating functions. However, the anti-electrons seemed to have no effect on Cosmos at all, as moments later he crashlanded on Cybertron's surface. Perfectly normal. {{storylink|Grimlock's New Brain}}
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[File:Smeltingpoolminivehicles.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Apparently Cosmos never bothered to get an Earth mode.]]
Cosmos was a member of [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'s [[Cybertron Seven|resistance cell]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Like most of the cell, he had a stronger respect for their top fighter [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] than Perceptor, and along with the other Autobots overruled Perceptor's order not to search for Blaster's missing friend [[Scrounge (G1)|Scrounge]]. In the [[Dead End (place)|Dead End]], Cosmos provided some life-giving fuel to ol' [[Wheezel (G1)|Wheezel]] for information, only to find that Scrounge had been taken away to [[Darkmount (Cybertron)|Darkmount]] by the Decepticon [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]. Realizing Scrounge was probably dead already in the [[smelting pool]], Blaster went after his buddy anyway, and Cosmos and the others had to come after him and save his hide (video evidence of Cosmos' rampage through Darkmount is still used to scare Decepticon recruits). Though Scrounge died, the Autobots managed to retrieve the last data from his infobanks, and learned that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] were alive and well on the planet [[Earth]]! {{storylink|The Smelting Pool!}}

[[File:Cosmosisakillingmachine.jpg|200px|thumb|Cosmos kills and kills and kills.]]
Galvanized by this knowledge, the Autobots planned a daring assault on [[Straxus (G1)|Lord Straxus]], planning to destroy both his seat of power at Darkmount and the new [[space bridge]] allowing transit to Earth. Darkmount was destroyed, but the Decepticons interrupted Blaster before he could finish setting the charges on the bridge. Instead, Cosmos, Blaster, and the rest of their unit were chased over the other side, and found themselves stuck on planet Earth. Here they were greeted immediately by a group of humans. {{storylink|The Bridge to Nowhere!}}

However, the humans, belonging to the anti-robot attack team, [[Rapid Anti-robot Assault Team|RAAT]], captured Cosmos and the others with the help of [[Circuit Breaker]]. Disassembled, the Autobots were only released after Circuit Breaker was forced to elicit their aid to defeat the [[Battlecharger]]s. {{storylink|Decepticon Graffiti!}}

''Following [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] back to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], Cosmos and the others got lost after their guide spontaneously vanished into [[limbo]]. Even worse was the reason for the disappearance—[[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] had returned to the present. Unfortunately, Cosmos was punched out of the sky by Galvatron, and joined the rest of his comrades in defeat.'' {{storylink|Fallen Angel}} ''After Galvatron was forced into retreat by the vagrant [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], Perceptor's team finally managed to reach the Ark, where they learned of Optimus Prime's apparent demise at the hands of the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. Cosmos attended Prime's funeral and assimilated into Earth's depleted Autobot forces, though it was soon revealed that Prime's death was a ruse.'' {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

[[File:Blasterbeourleaderplease.jpg|left|300px|thumb|"Is this the line for the mutiny?"]]When Optimus Prime died ''(for real)'' after a digital battle with [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], Cosmos observed with the other Autobots as [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] failed to successfully repair their fallen leader. After attending Prime's ''(real)'' funeral, a criminal known as the [[Mechanic (G1)|Mechanic]] turned the Ark's new security systems on the mourning Autobots, with devastating results. {{storylink|Funeral for a Friend!}} [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]], Prime's successor, turned out to be a self-interested tyrant, but he did help get the Ark repaired and off of Earth, a large process that Cosmos contributed towards. {{storylink|Child's Play (issue)|Child's Play}} Nevertheless, Cosmos was among the Autobots who begged Blaster to overthrow him, stating that the Autobots needed a "leader whose wires are connected," but the mutiny didn't pan out. Instead, Cosmos witnessed Grimlock's mock-execution of some [[Spacehikers|young human prisoners]]. {{storylink|Spacehikers!}}

Later, Blaster and Grimlock battled for supremacy on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], as Cosmos and the other Autobots cheered Blaster on. This event took an even uglier turn when [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] led the Decepticons in an ambush. Cosmos was seen facing down [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] in the battle that followed, and by its conclusion Cosmos was among the Autobots still standing. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

Some time after Optimus Prime's return, Cosmos was among several Autobots who responded to [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]'s distress call near the Decepticons' [[Club Con|arctic base]]. Cosmos watched as this scene once again turned into another battle with the Decepticons! {{storylink|Dark Star}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
Cosmos was part of a team brought to Earth by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] to investigate why [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] was taken off-line, only to run into heavy [[Quintesson]] opposition. Luckily, no matter the continuity, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] is their kinda town! {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

====''Regeneration One''====
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When Optimus Prime discovered Megatron was still active on Earth in [[2012]], he took a detachment of Autobots, including Cosmos, to confront the insane tyrant. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 4|Loose Ends #4}} While the two leaders clashed, Cosmos and the others battled Megatron's reanimated army of [[zombie]] "Ex-Bots". {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 5|Loose Ends #5}}

After the fight Cosmos, [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] and [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] were tasked with gathering the fallen zombies, throwing them into a large pit where [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] could vaporise them from orbit. {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part 1|Natural Selection #1}}

{{spoiler|Destiny, Part 3|August 17, 2013}}
As [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] had disabled the Autobots' early warning system on Cybertron, Cosmos was sent out to the fringes of Cybertronian space to scout for potential problems. He relayed back to Ultra Magnus that, small as he was, he didn't expect to find anything - only to encounter [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s arriving [[Warworld]]! Unfortunately for Cosmos, the Warworld greeted him with a single blast that disintegrated him.{{storylink|Destiny, Part 3|Destiny #3}}

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===The Battle for Planet Earth===
When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] contacted the Autobots to ask for an audience with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Cosmos was the Autobot who took the call. When he passed on the news to the others, [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] asked if maybe he'd misheard what Starscream had said. {{storylink|Espionage!!!!!}}

===Find Your Fate Junior===
Cosmos was sent to investigate signs of [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]'s presence and discovered a [[Anti-gravity base|Decepticon Base]]. ''He was captured, and [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] built a perfect [[Replica Cosmos|replica of Cosmos]] with a bomb inside, using information from Cosmos' own memories to send him to Optimus Prime.''

''Cosmos escaped with a surprising lack of difficulty and hurried to intercept his replica, arriving almost simultaneously. In the end, Cosmos was able to convince [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] he was the real deal, and the replica was destroyed.''

The Autobots stormed the base, and Cosmos acquitted himself bravely against Dirge in battle, despite being badly outclassed. What a hero! {{storylink|Desert Flight}}

===Transformers in 3-D===
Cosmos happened on space station [[S.S. Exton 9]], under attack by the Decepticons, and encountered five children. The children believe that their only chance of freeing their families from the Decepticon [[suspension-ray beam]] was to travel to [[Andellor]] to obtain the [[Prism of Power]], and they persuaded Cosmos to take them there. After avoiding some [[space vulture]]s, the small Autobot ran into [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Octane]], who insisted he lead them to Andellor. With no other choice, Cosmos complied, but with the help of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and Andellor's native fauna, managed to lose the trio.

After obtaining the Prism, he flew Ironhide and the children back to Exton 9 and kept [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] busy while the kids used the crystal. Cosmos later returned the Prism to Andellor. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2|Transformers in 3-D #2}}

===''Universe''===
Cosmos was briefly caught up in the Universe war while aboard the starship [[OTFCC (ship)|OTFCC]] with [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]. A spatial vortex created by [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] pulled them into conflict over a frozen planetoid with the [[Minion of Unicron|Minions of Unicron]]. Autobots and [[Maximal]]s from several time periods and universal streams joined forces and repulsed the Minions. Afterwards, Cosmos and his comrades were returned to their proper space/time. {{storylink|Voice Actor Drama|OTFCC 2004 Live-Action Script Reading}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' comics===
[[File:Countdown to Extinction Minibots pre-battle.jpg|300px|thumb|Powerglide, we all have our opinions, I just think Undefined Fantastic Object is better than Perfect Cherry Blossom.]]
Cosmos was one of many Autobots who rose up and took arms against [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] after Optimus Prime and the Ark's crew returned to Cybertron to lead the population in revolt against the Decepticon's corrupt rule. He joined up with a resistance cell under [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], and fought alongside his comrades in the insurrection. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}} Afterward, Cosmos was placed under [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s command during a supply run to Earth aboard the starship ''[[Orion]]''. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} Their mission led them into an uncomfortable alliance with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] against an even greater evil — the super-powered clone known as [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. Starscream turned on them first chance he got, of course, and Cosmos was one of the Autobots he knocked off-line while making his escape. {{storylink|The Omega Effect}} [[Ratchet (G1)|Doc Ratchet]] had Cosmos fixed up in a few days, though, and he was last seen helping with the construction of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on Earth. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:Beastformers GIJoe.jpg|left|250px|thumb| The words "Flying Hamburger" do come to mind.]]
Cosmos was stationed on Earth, part of a small detachment under [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'s command. In cooperation with [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]] and [[Firewall]], the team worked to round up stray Cybertronian technology on Earth. When an emergency came up, he arrived over [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]]'s back yard to beam him aboard and carried him to the ''[[Arc II]]''. Cosmos then joined Prowl's team on a mission to capture [[Destro]] and some of his arms-purchasing clients; Cosmos himself lassoed the buyer, then evacuated the squad before the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] team could arrive.

Later, when the submerged ''Arc II'' was attacked by the [[Pretender Monster]]s, Cosmos dodged the giant organic craft that had flown the Decepticons there. [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] brought [[Firewall]] to the water's surface, where Cosmos picked her up. The two headed for [[Tibet]] to help out the team under Optimus Prime's command. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

On arrival, though, all they found was snow-blown mountain wastes, until something grabbed Firewall and pulled her below ground. Shortly afterward, an avalanche swept Cosmos away. Recovering, Cosmos searched near and far for Firewall, but finally came upon [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] and [[Joe Colton]], holding off a band of [[Yeti]]; his firepower quickly turned the tide of the fight.

Then, Cosmos and his best mate Flint flew into space and down the attacking [[Unicron]]'s throat, intending to kill him with a [[Metal-eating spore|metal-eating fungus]] from [[Cobra-La]]. They dodged the planet-eater's "[[Beastformer|anti-bodies]]" on the way to his brain, but Cosmos was eventually paralyzed by a magnetic pulse, which meant Flint had to carry out the mission on his own. By the time he had spread the spores into Unicron's brain, Cosmos had recovered and sped out of there with Flint before everything came crashing down. After getting confused by Flint's jokes about Unicron's demise, he returned to Earth and shook hands with Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[File:SpotlightJazz-BeachcomberCosmos.jpg|left|thumb|200px|They'd better make a gaddurned statue of me!]]
In the early days of the war, Cosmos was part of the detail that helped [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] off a transport ship after his successful rescue of [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] from the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Jazz}}

Sometime later, he was seen chatting with his comrades [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] and [[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] during a victory celebration. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}

In modern times, after Blaster was found alive and well, Cosmos was one of many Autobots who traveled to the [[Autobot Orbital Command Hub|Hub]] to see "The Voice" again with his own optics. His appearance alongside [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] suggested that Cosmos was part of that Autobot's counter-insurgency unit. {{storylink|Spotlight: Blaster}} Later, he helped defend [[Garrus-9]] when [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]] broke in to challenge his [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|successor]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}}

[[File:InternationalIncident4 Cosmos on nuke.jpg|thumb|200px|Cue ''[[wikipedia:Dr. Strangelove|Dr. Strangelove]]'' reference.]]
Cosmos had joined the Autobot ranks on Earth by the time they forged a secret alliance with [[Skywatch]]. When the Autobots did battle with the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] in [[North Korea]]—a mission where secrecy was of utmost importance—Cosmos was sent into space to keep human satellites from spotting them. He successfully hacked the five satellites watching the area into broadcasting a loop of ordinary farmers instead. {{storylink|International Incident Part 3: "Hawk Among the Sparrows"|Hawk Among the Sparrows}}

Unfortunately, this meant Skywatch couldn't oversee the battle ''either'', so when the situation got complicated, Cosmos was ordered to free up one satellite for them to use. He grumbled a bit about how his job wasn't exactly a piece of cake, but these orders turned out to be nothing compared to his next mission: redirecting a nuclear warhead already on its way towards North Korea. As Cosmos began rewiring the missile in mid-flight, he commented that he really deserved some more respect for his efforts. Thanks to his intervention, the nuke detonated safely in the Arctic Circle. {{storylink|International Incident Part 4: "All My Sins Remembered"|All My Sins Remembered}}

Remaining in orbit, Cosmos was later joined by [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]], and together they turned a Skywatch communications satellite into a weapon by dropping it through the atmosphere at Mach 10 right on top of [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]. He survived the impact with just a few scratches, but still, they tried. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}}

Cosmos was among the Autobots who left Earth behind to return to a restored Cybertron. On the way, he and many others stared in disbelief and fascination at Megatron, who was in Autobot captivity on board [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1}} Upon arrival, Cosmos and the other Autobots were poised to fight against [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]]'s army occupying Cybertron. Led by [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], he and the other Autobot fliers attacked [[Kimia Facility]] and fought with the many [[Sweep]]s defending it. {{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers|Numbers}}

Following the defeat of Galvatron, Cosmos joined the crew of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' on its mission to find the mythical [[Knights of Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|Hangers On}}

Fifteen million years later, Cosmos had apparently received his due respect, as a statue for him was erected on [[Gorlam Prime]] near one for [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]. {{storylink|Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia}}
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===Fun Publications ''TransTech'' comics===
[[File:Transcendent 1 Cosmos Pathfinder.jpg|left|200px|thumb|...and from across the room, their eyes met...]]
Cosmos ended up in [[Axiom Nexus]] at some point, where he "met" [[Path Finder|another]] of his [[Mold|model]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 1}}
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===''Mars Attacks: The Transformers''===
[[File:Mars Attacks The Transformers - Cosmos badassery.jpg|left|thumb|300px|]]
During a [[Martian]] invasion, the Autobots and Decepticons formed an alliance to see off the invaders. Though they defeated the Martian ground forces, the Martian saucers moved in to blast [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. The pair were saved by Cosmos, who had hidden amongst the alien saucers in his alternate mode so he could mount a sneak attack on them. {{storylink|Mars Attacks: The Transformers}}
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===''Transformers: Legends''===
Cosmos was part of an escort squadron led by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], tasked with protecting important cargo from a Decepticon strike force. {{storylink|Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Cold Delivery}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Cosmos''' (Mini Vehicle, 1985/1986)
:*''Japanese ID number'': '''86'''

:Cosmos transforms into a "flying saucer," specifically the [[Wikipedia:George Adamski#Ufology|Adamski-style]] saucer that is (inexplicably) the staple Japanese depiction of a UFO. His underside has little wheels for when you just gotta roll a saucer around.

:In 1986, he was made available as a mail-away item (as he was no longer shipping to retail shelves) in the [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]] flier packed with most boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $4 and one [[Robot Point]].

:In Japan, he was released ''only'' as a mail-away item. He cost 500 yen and 2 robot points.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Cosmos/cosmos.htm More information on Cosmos at TFU.info]

===Transformers Collection===
[[File:G1-toy Cosmos.jpg|300px|thumb|He turns into a boob.]]
*'''Minibots Team''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
:*''Japanese ID number'': '''TFC-12'''

:Cosmos was reissued in ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' series in a multi-pack with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]], [[Gears (G1)|Gears]], [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]], [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] and [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]]. This release has a modified chest sticker that contains an Autobot sigil.

:This version, with the altered sticker, was used to make [[Path Finder]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Cosmos/cosmos.htm More information on Adams at TFU.info]
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===Titanium Series===
[[File:TitaniumSeries-Cosmos.jpg|150px|thumb|Hey, kids, who wants to buy a die-cast $15 doorbell?]]
: A 6" transforming Cosmos toy was designed, based on the preliminary ''Classics'' design (see Notes), and displayed at [[BotCon]] 2007. However, the [[Titanium Series]] was canceled before its tooling could be completed.

{{canceledtoy}}
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===Universe (2008)===
====G1 Series====
*'''Autobot Cosmos''' (Legends, 2009)

[[File:Cosmoslegendsuniverse.jpg|300px|thumb|From doorbell to sundial.]]
:''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Legends-class Cosmos still transforms into a flying saucer-type "UFO", but now it looks less like a doorbell. [[Bill Rawley]] claims responsibility for the markings on Cosmos, which spell out his name ("Cosmos") in [[Cybertronian languages|"Cybertronian" lettering]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUCosmos/cosmos.htm More information on ''Universe'' Cosmos at TFU.info]
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===Henkei! Henkei!===
*'''Minibot Spy Team''' (Multi-pack, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-19'''

:The ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' version of ''Universe'' Cosmos is in a more olive green, an oranger yellow, and the silver and blue colors swapped. The silver Cybertronian "COSMOS" lettering is retained. He is packed with similarly redecoed Legends-class versions of [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] and [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]].

==Notes==
[[File:Classics cosmos concept.gif|165px|thumb|What could have been...]]
*The creative team went through multiple preliminary names before settling on Cosmos, including '''Spaceracer''', then '''Spaceshot''' and then '''[[Shooting Star]]'''.[http://web.archive.org/web/20071230210811/http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41003]
*[[Michael McConnohie]]'s voice for Cosmos is a heavily processed impression of film star [[Peter Lorre]]. More precisely, McConnohie has stated in his [[BotCon]] appearances that he was doing an ''intentionally bad'' impression of Peter Lorre, which he sheepishly admitted came off sounding like a [[Accents|Spanish accent]] at times. (Until the source of Cosmos's voice was confirmed, fans would sometimes speculate that Cosmos sounded Spanish.)
*It is presumed that Cosmos's Japanese name, '''Adams''', is derived from that of [http://www.ufopsi.com/articles/georgeadamski.html George '''Adams'''ki], who provided the famous flying saucer design after which Cosmos was modeled.
*Early Japanese promotional material shows Cosmos with a blue body rather than his final green. The toy would see release in this coloration much, much, ''much'' later as [[Path Finder]].
[[File:CosmosConcept.jpg|165px|thumb|What could have been if he'd only found the salad bar...]]
*Concept art of a ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' version of Cosmos was shown at [[BotCon 2006]], but the design was rejected because the higher-ups at [[Hasbro]] felt the [[alternate mode]] was too "boring". Many fans were pleasantly shocked they even ''considered'' making a new Cosmos. The art was later printed as part of the supplementary material in the ''[[The Transformers: Stormbringer|Stormbringer]]'' trade paperback collection. Despite the rejection, it remained on the development team's "look into this" file should they revisit the ''Classics'' line in the future. True to their word, the design was moved to the ''Titanium'' Cybertron Heroes line of die-cast metal transforming toys, but with the cancellation of the ''Transformers'' portion of this franchise, the Cosmos design exists only as a resin prototype that was on display during the Hasbro tour portion of [[BotCon 2007]].
*Cosmos's Generation 1 concept art isn't terribly out of the ordinary, but it's also pretty badass.
*Where did he scan his alternate mode, again?

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Adams''' (アダムス ''Adamusu'')
*''Greek:'' '''Kyríarchos''' (Κυρίαρχος, "Sovereign")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Kozmosz'''
*''Italian'': '''Disco''' ("Saucer")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Cosmo''' (Brazil comics)
*''Russian:'' '''Kosmos''' (Космос, "Space")

==External links==
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Cosmos Cosmos's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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Army-building

2012-12-30T12:35:42Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: Undo revision 775533 by Nexucon Prime (Talk)

[[Image:Armies of Terrorcons Seacons Sparkdashers Guardminders Autoroopers Guardians Overcharges.jpg|right|400px|thumb|You don't wanna know how much this costs.]]
'''Army-building''' is a nickname for a toy-collecting habit that involves buying multiple identical toys which represent generic or mass-produced characters (for example, [[Cobra]] soldiers or ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' Stormtroopers), with the intent of displaying them as an imposingly large cohesive unit. Some army-builders have hundreds of figures, arranged in elaborate dioramas or military-style formations.

The practice is somewhat less-common in ''Transformers'' fandom than in other fandoms, primarily due to the relative lack of mass-produced, identical, "generic" units, but there are notable exceptions. Perhaps due to the relative dearth of toys representing multiple generic characters, some fans amass armies of non-generic characters (like the [[Jumpstarter]]s).

==Generation 1==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
Generation 1 offers many possibilities for army building, usually by using multiple figures of named characters to represent an army of similarly-designed drones.

[[Image:Scourge and Sweeps.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A typical example of the victim of [[Hasbro|somebody's]] [[To sell toys|evil plan.]]]]

* The [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|pilot mini-series]] featured a fleet of nameless [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] colored differently from [[Starscream (G1)|the]] [[Thundercracker (G1)|primary]] [[Skywarp (G1)|three]]. Two decades later, [[Air Warrior|toys of these "Air Warriors"]] were finally made in the form of ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' [[Plastic|PVC]] figures. They were sold in multi-packs featuring three identical Air Warriors alongside the aforementioned three named Seekers.
**Additionally the generics with identical colors to the original three would sometimes appear within the SAME SCENE as the original three, technically making Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker army builders as well.
* The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] can be represented by [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]. This is probably the cheaper option than using multiples of the ''actual'' drone-unit Insecticon toys [[Salvo]], [[Zaptrap]] and [[Shothole]], and more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] to boot.
* Multiples of the [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] toy can represent the [[Sweep]]s. This can work especially well if [[Targetmaster]] Scourge is used as the proper Scourge.
* Multiples of [[Gnaw]] can be used to represent the [[Sharkticon (G1)| Sharkticons]]. This works particularly well with this figure, as Gnaw received very little characterization in most official fiction.
* The [[Guardian robot|Guardian robots]]/[[Dark Guardian|Dark Guardians]] are potential army builders, though as an [[e-HOBBY]] [[exclusive]] they would be costly ones.
* [[Kremzeek]] could be considered an army builder, albeit a costly one, as he has only been released as a pack-in with the large [[Autorooper]] and ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece| Masterpiece]]'' [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] toys.
* Though there are multiple [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], each one has a different [[character model]], and thus using multiple [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] figures to represent them is not common. While Wreck-Gar's original toy can't really ride himself well, his [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers .282010.29|Reveal the Shield toy]] can and is designed for it, as are its retools [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]] and [[Junkyard (G1)|Junkheap]].

===The Headmasters===
In ''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|The Headmasters]]'', [[Sixshot]] demonstrated the ability to create temporary duplicates of himself.

===Super-God Masterforce===
''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' was good to army builders, as it provided several good opportunities.

* The [[Seacon (Masterforce)|Seacons]] had multiples of all the limb-units; [[Turtler]] was the only non-cloned individual of the group. Thankfully, the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] versions of these toys are identical to the [[Hasbro]] versions, reducing the need for costly importing.
* The [[Sparkdash]] [[Javil]], [[Guzzle (Masterforce)|Guzzle]] and [[Sizzle (Masterforce)|Sizzle]] are all drones with multiple copies. Though Javil and Guzzle's toys are colored differently from their [[Firecon]] doppelgangers, the ''Masterforce'' cartoon gave all three Sparkdash the Hasbro colors, making for cheap army-building for those who'd rather be [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] with their hordes.
* Legions of black [[Guardminder]] drones appeared, led by a single golden one. The black drones can be represented by [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)|Fasttrack]], while the leader can be his upgrade Black Roritchi. However, while collecting a single Black Roritchi wouldn't be too hard, as he comes with BlackZarak, collecting an army of Fasttrack toys, which were only sold packaged with [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], would be expensive.

===IDW Comics===
During [[The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation]], the [[Machination]] sent multiple [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] clones after [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]. However, there is no toy of Sunstreaker in that particular form, let alone as a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]], requiring a substitution. There are also multiple Sunstreaker bodies in black, white and red; though there are no ''Transformers'' toys of these, if one were so inclined they could track down the ''[[Diaclone]]'' red and white <s>Sunstreakers</s> Countach LP500S. Alternatively, the [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] [[retool|version]] of Sunstreaker's ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy ''has'' been produced in [[Sideswipe (G1)#Universe (2008)|those]] [[Red Alert (G1)#Generations|three]] [[Sideswipe (G1)#Timelines|colors]], although the prospect of an army of [[BotCon 2010]] Sideswipes takes this page to an entirely new level of prohibitively expensive.

===G.I. Joe vs the Transformers===
[[Image:Army of Ravage clones.jpg|right|200px|thumb| ]]

[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]] issue [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|#3]] features a pack of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] units.

===Timelines===
* The [[Virulent Clone]] [[exclusive]]s of [[BotCon 2005]] were army builders, and in fact were only sold in pairs. However, being convention exclusive toys, building up an army of them is a little expensive.
* [[BotCon 2009]] featured an [[Sweep#Timelines|exclusive three-pack]] of Sweeps.
* Similarly, [[BotCon 2010]] featured an [[Sharkticon (G1)#Timelines|exclusive three-pack]] of Sharkticons.

===Kiss Players===
The [[Earth Defense Command]]'s [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]] had 48 of the human-created [[Autorooper]] models in service. In what can only be a move designed to encourage army-building, the large Autorooper toy came with a decal sheet with specialized markings for ''all 48 units'', not simply the ones given to pack-in pilot character [[Atari Hitotonari|Atari]]'s Autorooper.

===Alternators/Binaltech===
With the introduction of the [[Genetronic Translink System|GT System]] in that series' fiction, [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] can inhabit four bodies in unison, so some collectors might take to buying all four Smokescreen [[variant]]s (or, more precisely, both Smokescreen variants and both Smokescreen GT variants) to represent him in his four bodies at once.

===Toy Bios===
E-HOBBY exclusive [[Overcharge (G1)|Overcharge]] is a [[Quintesson]] military product with multiple units available. This back story, along with the multiple different faction [[insignia]]s he is packaged with, encourages army building, though like the Guardian Robots he would be costly to collect.

==Beast Era==
===Beast Wars Metals manga===
The [[Scorpion Corps]] could be built with numerous [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] toys, if one considers the minor differences between the two characters to be simply due to an artistic interpretation of the character model. Considering how other characters have been... stylized in these mangas, it might not be much of a stretch. Additionally, the [[Cobra Corps]] could be created out of [[Cohrada]] toys. Unlike the Scorpion Soldiers, however, one would have to slightly alter said toy to be more faithful to their appearances in the manga.

===Beast Wars Neo anime===
Multiple ships in the Cybertron fleet share a design with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], which would undoubtedly make him the most expensive army builder of them all.

===Beast Wars Neo manga===
The [[Blendtron]]s [[Elephorca]], [[Drancron]], and [[Rartorata]] have many duplicates.

===Beast Machines===
The [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' are undoubtedly the most popular army builders from the Beast Era, possibly from all of Transformers, with virtually every Vehicon representing thousands of identical drones. ([[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] was the main exception.)

The [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)| Beast Machines cartoon]] featured legions of [[Thrust (BM)| Thrust]], [[Tankor (BM)| Tankor]], [[Jetstorm (BM)| Jetstorm]], [[Obsidian (BM)| Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] drones, each commanded by a general. Note that the [[character model]] for Tankor was much closer to the [[Tank Drone]] toy.

The Wreckers comic "[[Departure]]" further featured drones of [[Scavenger (BM)| Scavenger]], [[Blastcharge (BM)|Blastcharge]], [[Spy Streak]] and [[Mirage (BM)|Mirage]]. Additionally, an on-model depiction of the original toy for Tankor was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] to represent drones for [[Quake (G1)|Quake]] (who had the same bodyform, but in different colors).

==Universe==
The 2003 [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)| Universe]] comic "[[Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming]]" featured multiple [[Piranacon (Universe)| Piranacons]], toys which would be eventually released by [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] as new decos of the original [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]].

==Unicron Trilogy==
The Unicron trilogy offers multiple possibilities for army building.

===Armada===
[[Image:Deadend Drone General Armada Toys.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Corner pocket.]]
In ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', [[Unicron]]'s interior is patrolled by swarms of [[Dead End Drone|Dead End Drones]], commanded by [[Dead End General]] units. This was originally an expensive toy to army-build, being a pack-in with the [[Unicron|$50 Unicron toy]] (though eventually some Target stores clearanced them for as little as $13). In the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Galaxy Force]]'' toy line though, the fourth [[Micron Booster]] assortment featured "Bug Drones" at a mere 300 yen a pop (very roughly $3). Unfortunately, the [[Blindpacking|blindpacked]] boxes meant you either had to buy opened samples, or an entire case of twelve toys to ensure getting a single Dead End Drone... and the General came only one per every ''two'' cases.

===Energon===
''Energon'' offers the largest number of potential army builders of the Unicron Trilogy.

* In both the ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|cartoon]] and [[Transformers: Energon (comic)|comic]] continuities, the Decepticons send thousands of [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] drones to combat the Autobots and steal raw energon ore. In the comic continuity, these drones were based on four living, fully-sparked Decepticons: [[Battle Ravage]], [[Cruellock]], [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]], and [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]]. In the cartoon continuity, the four drone-types also had color-changed variants sold as limited-retail toys.
{{note|Hasbro would introduce another small Terrorcon to the mix: [[Doom-Lock]]. However, with his complete lack of bio or fiction, he is not technically a [[Canon|canonical]] army-building candidate.}}
* In the cartoon, there were also countless identical [[Omnicon]]s split among the three body types; [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]], [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] and [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]. The fourth Omnicon type from the cartoon, [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]], however, was a unique being, serving as the Omnicons' "queen bee". In the comic series, the Omnicons never became mass-produced Transformers.
* The [[bio]] for [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]] says he is the commander of the "[[Guardians of Cybertron]]", though nothing has ever come forward to indicate just what that group is made up of. Hasbro representatives at [[OTFCC 2004]] indicated that they had intended for groups of Omega Sentinels to appear in the cartoon, but ultimately not even ''one'' did, just the original iteration of the mold, [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]]. No canon has specifically made the Omega Sentinel toy, a clear [[homage]] to the [[Guardian robot|Guardian Robots]] of Generation 1, an army-builder. However, Hasbro's original intent and the Generation 1 allusion has led some fans to collect several of him.

===Cybertron===
Cybertron offers a few good army building opportunities.

[[Image:Scrapmetal Cybertron Toys.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Joe's Apartment 2099]]

* Technically a Terrorcon, [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]] is an excellent army builder from the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' franchise. In the Takara line, it was available in three different colorations; red, yellow and blue. Hasbro would later release both the red and yellow versions in their own line, but blue remained exclusive to the ''Galaxy Force'' toyline, ramping up his secondary market value outside of Japan.
* The inhabitants of [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] are represented by hundreds of [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version|gray clones of Sideways]] and [[Laserbeak drone|attack bird-bots]]. Both are cost-prohibitive army-builders, as the "Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version" was a DVD pack-in exclusive in Japan (and DVDs are not cheap there even without limited-edition toys packed in), and the only way to collect a horde of Laserbeak drones was by buying multiples of the Voyager-class [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] toy (which is still less expensive than the Noisemazes).
* Throughout the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|cartoon series]], "clones" of the [[Blurr (Cybertron)|Blurr]] toy are seen both as part of the civilian Autobot ranks hiding on [[Earth]] and inhabiting [[Velocitron]]. These were never seen in robot mode, and sometimes came in red and yellow varieties as well as the toy's blue (no red or yellow versions of the toy exist, though the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Swerve (Universe)|Swerve]] toy ''is'' a red-colored pre-''Cybertron''-[[retool]] version of the mold). This doesn't exactly inspire too many to army-build him, but the canon is there to support it.

==Movie==
The video games and subsequent comics for the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie universe]] feature numerous models of [[Drone|mass-produced robots]] for both the Decepticons and Autobots. Though there are several toys based on these models (designed primarily for the version of the game for the Playstation 2 and 3, Xbox 360, Wii and PC), the accuracy of the toys' coloration and head design ''to'' the game models varies, but most are geared towards being the Decepticon drones. Interestingly enough, the toys that got [[redeco]]ed were given original decos, not opposite-side game-decos.

* [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]]'s toy is nearly-accurate to the console game's Decepticon Swindle drones.
* [[Dropkick]]'s toy has the Decepticon drones' deco, but the face is only somewhat like the Autobot face, leaning towards a more unique design.
* [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]]'s toy is only barely accurate to the drone design, owing to timing issues. In the game, both Autobot and Decepticon versions are primarily white. The non-lenshead makes it a little more Autobotty, though.
* [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] is fairly accurate to the [[Class Alpha drone unit|Decepticon version]] of the drone.
* Both versions of [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] are similarly very close to the Decepticon [[Class Beta drone unit|Class Beta]] and [[Constructicon Warrior]] drones' designs.
* In the movie comics, [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]] lent his form to a series of L.M.-1 drones.

{{note|[[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]] and [[Deadlift]] have identical bodytypes to the [[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]] Drones. However, since they have different names and bios, they don’t technically count as [[Canon|canonical]] army-building candidates.}}

==Transformers Animated==
* ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] had multiple [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]] of varying colors. In "[[Dino-MIGHT!]]", they were all colored like him, making him an army builder. There were also sparkless, inanimate clone bodies colored like him in "[[A Fistful of Energon]]".
* [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]'s multiple VR clones from "[[Human Error, Part II]]" make electrostatic Soundwave an army builder.
* [[Autotrooper (Animated)|Autotrooper]]s are an all-identical Autobot police force. Figures were made available at [[BotCon 2011]], featured in an exclusive three-pack.

==Revenge of the Fallen==
Potentially, every [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] from the movie is an army builder, because multiple characters with the same body model are either destroyed, merged into Devastator, or are fighting the army at the same time.
==Transformers Prime==
[[Image:PrimeVehiconToys.jpg|200px|thumb|]]
* The toyline based on the computer generated television show has [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]] toys, based on the generic Decepticon model in the cartoon.
* The [[MECH Commando|MECH Trooper]] that came with the Bumblebee vs. Starscream Entertainment Pack is technically an army builder, since you see multiple in the show, but you'd have to buy multiple Bumblebees and Starscreams to get more than one of them.
* Any of [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]'s ''Prime'' figures can be used to represent the [[Starscream clone (Prime)|Starscream clone]]s from the show.
* The [[Arms Micron]] [[Unicron/toys#Prime|Gaia Unicron]] is an army-builder, because Unicron had the ability to multiply himself in the show.

==Dark of the Moon==
* Multiple Autobots of [[Roller (DOTM)|Roller]]'s design are seen aboard the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Like many of the potential army builders on this page, actually army-building Roller is an expensive proposition, since Roller was only sold as a pack-in with the Ark playset.
* The tiny [[Lensmeter Decepticon]]s seen attending to [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] in the movie share their design with [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]].
* The [[Dread (DOTM)|Dreads]] can be portrayed by multiple [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]]s with the metal hair in different positions.
* A fleet of [[Orbital Assault Carrier]]s is shown invading [[Chicago]].

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Army-building

2012-04-24T00:36:11Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

[[Image:Armies of Terrorcons Seacons Sparkdashers Guardminders Autoroopers Guardians Overcharges.jpg|right|400px|thumb|You don't wanna know how much this costs.]]
'''Army-building''' is a nickname for a toy-collecting habit that involves buying multiple identical toys which represent generic or mass-produced characters (for example, [[Cobra]] soldiers or [[Star Wars]] Stormtroopers), with the intent of displaying them as an imposingly large cohesive unit. Some army-builders have hundreds of figures, arranged in elaborate dioramas or military-style formations.

The practice is somewhat less-common in ''Transformers'' fandom than in other fandoms, primarily due to the relative lack of mass-produced, identical, "generic" units, but there are notable exceptions. Perhaps due to the relative dearth of toys representing multiple generic characters, some fans amass armies of non-generic characters (like the [[Jumpstarter]]s).

==Generation 1==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
Generation 1 offers many possibilities for army building, usually by using multiple figures of named characters to represent an army of similarly-designed drones.

[[Image:Scourge and Sweeps.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A typical example of the victim of [[Hasbro|somebody's]] [[To sell toys|evil plan.]]]]

* The [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|pilot mini-series]] featured a fleet of nameless [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] colored differently from [[Starscream (G1)|the]] [[Thundercracker (G1)|primary]] [[Skywarp (G1)|three]]. Two decades later, [[Air Warrior|toys of these "Air Warriors"]] were finally made in the form of ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' [[Plastic|PVC]] figures. They were sold in multi-packs featuring three identical Air Warriors alongside the aforementioned three named Seekers.
**Additionally the generics with identical colors to the original three would sometimes appear within the SAME SCENE as the original three, technically making Starscream, Skywarp, and Thundercracker army builders as well.

* The [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] can be represented by [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] and [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]. This is probably the cheaper option than using multiples of the ''actual'' drone-unit Insecticon toys [[Salvo]], [[Zaptrap]] and [[Shothole]], and more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] to boot.

* Multiples of the [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] toy can represent the [[Sweep]]s. This can work especially well if [[Targetmaster]] Scourge is used as the proper Scourge.

* Multiples of [[Gnaw]] can be used to represent the [[Sharkticon (G1)| Sharkticons]]. This works particularly well with this figure, as Gnaw received very little characterization in most official fiction.

* The [[Guardian robot|Guardian robots]]/[[Dark Guardian|Dark Guardians]] are potential army builders, though as an [[e-Hobby]] [[exclusive]] they would be costly ones.

* [[Kremzeek]] could be considered an army builder, albeit a costly one, as he has only been released as a pack-in with the large [[Autorooper]] and [[Masterpiece]] [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] toys.

* Though there are multiple [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], each one has a different [[character model]], and thus using multiple [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] figures to represent them is not common. While Wreck-Gar's original toy can't really ride himself well, his [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers .282010.29|Reveal the Shield toy]] can and is designed for it, as are its retools [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]] and [[Junkyard (G1)|Junkheap]].

===The Headmasters===
In [[The Headmasters (cartoon)|Headmasters]], [[Sixshot]] demonstrated the ability to create temporary duplicates of himself.

===Super-God Masterforce===
''[[Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' was good to army builders, as it provided several good opportunities.

* The [[Seacon (Masterforce)|Seacons]] had multiples of all the limb-units; [[Turtler]] was the only non-cloned individual of the group. Thankfully, the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] versions of these toys are identical to the [[Hasbro]] versions, reducing the need for costly importing.

* The [[Sparkdash]] [[Javil]], [[Guzzle (Masterforce)|Guzzle]] and [[Sizzle (Masterforce)|Sizzle]] are all drones with multiple copies. Though Javil and Guzzle's toys are colored differently from their [[Firecon]] doppelgangers, the ''Masterforce'' cartoon gave all three Sparkdash the Hasbro colors, making for cheap army-building for those who'd rather be [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] with their hordes.

* Legions of black [[Guardminder]] drones appeared, led by a single golden one. The black drones can be represented by [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)|Fasttrack]], while the leader can be his upgrade Black Roritchi. However, while collecting a single Black Roritchi wouldn't be too hard, as he comes with BlackZarak, collecting an army of Fasttrack toys, which were only sold packaged with [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], would be expensive.

===IDW Comics===
During [[The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation]], the [[Machination]] sent multiple [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] clones after [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]. However, there is no toy of Sunstreaker in that particular form, let alone as a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]], requiring a substitution. There are also multiple Sunstreaker bodies in black, white and red; though there are no ''Transformers'' toys of these, if one were so inclined they could track down the ''[[Diaclone]]'' red and white <s>Sunstreakers</s> Countach LP500S. Alternatively, the [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] [[retool|version]] of Sunstreaker's ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' toy ''has'' been produced in [[Sideswipe (G1)#Universe (2008)|those]] [[Red Alert (G1)#Generations|three]] [[Sideswipe (G1)#Timelines|colors]], although the prospect of an army of [[BotCon 2010]] Sideswipes takes this page to an entirely new level of prohibitively expensive.

===G.I. Joe vs the Transformers===
[[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II]] issue [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|#3]] features a pack of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] units.

===Timelines===
* The [[Virulent Clone]] [[exclusive]]s of [[BotCon 2005]] were army builders, and in fact were only sold in pairs. However, being convention exclusive toys, building up an army of them is a little expensive.

* [[BotCon 2009]] featured an [[Sweep#Timelines|exclusive three-pack]] of Sweeps.

* Similarly, [[BotCon 2010]] featured an [[Sharkticon (G1)#Timelines|exclusive three-pack]] of Sharkticons.

===Kiss Players===
The [[Earth Defense Command]]'s [[Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]] had 48 of the human-created [[Autorooper]] models in service. In what can only be a move designed to encourage army-building, the large Autorooper toy came with a decal sheet with specialized markings for ''all 48 units'', not simply the ones given to pack-in pilot character [[Atari Hitotonari|Atari]]'s Autorooper.

===Alternators/Binaltech===
With the introduction of the [[GT System]] in that series' fiction, [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] can inhabit four bodies in unison, so some collectors might take to buying all four Smokescreen [[variant]]s (or, more precisely, both Smokescreen variants and both Smokescreen GT variants) to represent him in his four bodies at once.

===Toy Bios===
E-Hobby exclusive [[Overcharge (G1)|Overcharge]] is a [[Quintesson]] military product with multiple units available. This backstory, along with the multiple different faction [[insignia]]s he is packaged with, encourages army building, though like the Guardian Robots he would be costly to collect.

==Beast Era==
===Beast Wars Metals manga===
The [[Scorpion Corps]] could be built with numerous [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] toys, if one considers the minor differences between the two characters to be simply due to an artistic interpretation of the character model. Considering how other characters have been... stylized in these mangas, it might not be much of a stretch. Additionally, the [[Cobra Corps]] could be created out of [[Cohrada]] toys. Unlike the Scorpion Soldiers, however, one would have to slightly alter said toy to be more faithful to their appearances in the manga.

===Beast Wars Neo anime===
Multiple ships in the Cybertron fleet share a design with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], which would undoubtedly make him the most expensive army builder of them all.

===Beast Wars Neo manga===
The [[Blendtron]]s [[Elephorca]], [[Drancron]], and [[Rartorata]] have many duplicates.

===Beast Machines===
The [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] of ''[[Beast Machines (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'' are undoubtedly the most popular army builders from the Beast Era, possibly from all of Transformers, with virtually every Vehicon representing thousands of identical drones. ([[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] was the main exception.)

The [[Beast Machines (cartoon)| Beast Machines cartoon]] featured legions of [[Thrust (BM)| Thrust]], [[Tankor (BM)| Tankor]], [[Jetstorm (BM)| Jetstorm]], [[Obsidian (BM)| Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] drones, each commanded by a general. Note that the [[character model]] for Tankor was much closer to the [[Tank Drone]] toy.

The Wreckers comic [[Departure]] further featured drones of [[Scavenger (BM)| Scavenger]], [[Blastcharge (BM)| Blastcharge]], [[Spy Streak]] and [[Mirage (BM)| Mirage]]. Additionally, an on-model depiction of the original toy for Tankor was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] to represent drones for [[Quake (G1)|Quake]] (who had the same bodyform, but in different colors).

==Universe==
The 2003 [[Universe (2003 franchise)| Universe]] comic "[[Homecoming (issue)|Homecoming]]" featured multiple [[Piranacon (Universe)| Piranacons]], toys which would be eventually released by [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] as new decos of the original [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]].

==Unicron Trilogy==
The Unicron trilogy offers multiple possibilities for army building.

===Armada===
[[Image:Deadend Drone General Armada Toys.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Corner pocket.]]
In ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', [[Unicron]]'s interior is patrolled by swarms of [[Dead End Drone|Dead End Drones]], commanded by [[Dead End General]] units. This was originally an expensive toy to army-build, being a pack-in with the [[Unicron|$50 Unicron toy]] (though eventually some Target stores clearanced them for as little as $13). In the ''[[Cybertron (toyline)|Galaxy Force]]'' toy line though, the fourth [[Micron Booster]] assortment featured "Bug Drones" at a mere 300 yen a pop (very roughly $3). Unfortunately, the [[Blindpacking|blindpacked]] boxes meant you either had to buy opened samples, or an entire case of twelve toys to ensure getting a single Dead End Drone... and the General came only one per every ''two'' cases.

===Energon===
''Energon'' offers the largest number of potential army builders of the Unicron Trilogy.

* In both the ''[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' [[Energon (cartoon)|cartoon]] and [[Energon (comic)|comic]] continuities, the Decepticons send thousands of [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]] drones to combat the Autobots and steal raw energon ore. In the comic continuity, these drones were based on four living, fully-sparked Decepticons: [[Battle Ravage]], [[Cruellock]], [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]], and [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticon]]. In the cartoon continuity, the four drone-types also had color-changed variants sold as limited-retail toys.

{{note|Hasbro would introduce another small Terrorcon to the mix: [[Doom-Lock]]. However, with his complete lack of bio or fiction, he is not technically a [[Canon|canonical]] army-building candidate.}}

* In the cartoon, there were also countless identical [[Omnicon]]s split among the three body types; [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]], [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] and [[Signal Flare (Energon)|Signal Flare]]. The fourth Omnicon type from the cartoon, [[Arcee (Energon)|Arcee]], however, was a unique being, serving as the Omnicons' "queen bee". In the comic series, the Omnicons never became mass-produced Transformers.

* The [[bio]] for [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinel]] says he is the commander of the "[[Guardians of Cybertron]]", though nothing has ever come forward to indicate just what that group is made up of. Hasbro representatives at [[OTFCC 2004]] indicated that they had intended for groups of Omega Sentinels to appear in the cartoon, but ultimately not even ''one'' did, just the original iteration of the mold, [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]]. No canon has specifically made the Omega Sentinel toy, a clear [[homage]] to the [[Guardian Robot|Guardian Robots]] of Generation 1, an army-builder. However, Hasbro's original intent and the Generation 1 allusion has led some fans to collect several of him.

===Cybertron===
Cybertron offers a few good army building opportunities.

[[Image:Scrapmetal Cybertron Toys.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Joe's Apartment 2099]]

* Technically a Terrorcon, [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]] is an excellent army builder from the ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' franchise. In the Takara line, it was available in three different colorations; red, yellow and blue. Hasbro would later release both the red and yellow versions in their own line, but blue remained exclusive to the ''Galaxy Force'' toyline, ramping up his secondary market value outside of Japan.

* The inhabitants of [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] are represented by hundreds of [[Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version|gray clones of Sideways]] and [[Laserbeak drone|attack bird-bots]]. Both are cost-prohibitive army-builders, as the "Noisemaze Mass Production Type Version" was a DVD pack-in exclusive in Japan (and DVDs are not cheap there even without limited-edition toys packed in), and the only way to collect a horde of Laserbeak drones was by buying multiples of the Voyager-class [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] toy (which is still less expensive than the Noisemazes).

* Throughout the [[Cybertron (cartoon)|cartoon series]], "clones" of the [[Blurr (Cybertron)|Blurr]] toy are seen both as part of the civilian Autobot ranks hiding on [[Earth]] and inhabiting [[Velocitron]]. These were never seen in robot mode, and sometimes came in red and yellow varieties as well as the toy's blue (no red or yellow versions of the toy exist, though the ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Swerve (Universe)|Swerve]] toy ''is'' a red-colored pre-''Cybertron''-[[retool]] version of the mold). This doesn't exactly inspire too many to army-build him, but the canon is there to support it.

==Movie==
The video games and subsequent comics for the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie universe]] feature numerous models of [[Drone|mass-produced robots]] for both the Decepticons and Autobots. Though there are several toys based on these models (designed primarily for the version of the game for the Playstation 2 and 3, Xbox 360, Wii and PC), the accuracy of the toys' coloration and head design ''to'' the game models varies, but most are geared towards being the Decepticon drones. Interestingly enough, the toys that got [[redeco]]ed were given original decos, not opposite-side game-decos.

* [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]]'s toy is nearly-accurate to the console game's Decepticon Swindle drones.

* [[Dropkick]]'s toy has the Decepticon drones' deco, but the face is only somewhat like the Autobot face, leaning towards a more unique design.

* [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]]'s toy is only barely accurate to the drone design, owing to timing issues. In the game, both Autobot and Decepticon versions are primarily white. The non-lenshead makes it a little more Autobotty, though.

* [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing]] is fairly accurate to the [[Class Alpha drone unit|Decepticon version]] of the drone.

* Both versions of [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] are similarly very close to the Decepticon [[Class Beta drone unit|Class Beta]] and [[Constructicon Warrior]] drones' designs.

* In the movie comics, [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]] lent his form to a series of L.M.-1 drones.

{{note|[[Dirt Boss (ROTF)|Dirt Boss]] and [[Deadlift]] have identical bodytypes to the [[Scrapper (Movie)|Scrapper]] Drones. However, since they have different names and bios, they don’t technically count as [[Canon|canonical]] army-building candidates.}}

==Transformers Animated==
* ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] had multiple [[Starscream clone (Animated)|clones]] of varying colors. In "[[Dino-MIGHT!]]", they were all colored like him, making him an army builder. There were also sparkless, inanimate clone bodies colored like him in "[[A Fistful of Energon]]".
* [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]'s multiple VR clones from "[[Human Error, Part II]]" make electrostatic Soundwave an army builder.
* [[Autotrooper]]s are an all-identical Autobot police force. Figures were made available at [[BotCon 2011]], featured in an exclusive three-pack.

==Revenge of the Fallen==
Potentially, every [[Constructicon (ROTF)|Constructicon]] from the movie is an army builder, because multiple characters with the same body model are either destroyed, merged into Devastator, or are fighting the army at the same time.
==Transformers Prime==
• The toyline based on the computer generated television show has [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]] toys, based on the generic Decepticon model in the cartoon.

• The MECH Trooper that came with the Bumblebee and Starscream Two Pack is an Army Builder, since you see multiple in the show.

• Any of Starscream's figures in Transformers Prime can be used as Army-Builders since there were Starscream clones in the show.

==Dark of the Moon==
* Multiple Autobots of [[Roller (DOTM)|Roller]]'s design are seen aboard the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]. Like many of the potential army builders on this page, actually army-building Roller is an expensive proposition, since Roller was only sold as a pack-in with the Ark playset.
* The tiny [[Lensmeter Decepticon]]s seen attending to [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] in the movie share their design with [[Scalpel (ROTF)|Scalpel]].
* The [[Dreads]] can be portrayed by multiple [[Crankcase]]s with the metal hair in different positions.
* A fleet of [[Orbital Assault Carrier]]s is shown invading [[Chicago]].
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Talk:Skyhammer (DOTM)

2011-05-31T01:53:00Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Light-and-sound action? How do you fit lights and sounds into a small(ish) spring-loaded gun? {{unsigned|TOM|12:50, 5 March 2011 (EST)}}
:Did you even LOOK at the picture? A gun that size in a relation to a voyager class figure could easily contain such features. And even if it doesn't, and the line is in error, that thing still looks comparable in size to the 'boxes' containing light and sound features in other figures. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 13:10, 5 March 2011 (EST)
::Judging from the picture, his gun has a flip-out blade of some sort, and it ''would'' be a bit hard to put lights and sounds in a spring-loaded gun of that size.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 17:55, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
:::I don't see any problem getting lights, sounds and spring loading into that huge hunk of plastic. Look at the amount of material under the presumed blade. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm wondering where such iformation came from for someone to put it here.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 18:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::Considering who added it, odds are it's because this was information given at Toy Fair. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:04, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
: Does anIone know how to lock his weapon? i don't understand why they don't list it in the instructions for any of these figures [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 14:02, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::You can lock it at 'half-mast' by pulling the trigger out while the blade is fully extended. Not much of a solution, but it's something. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 02:23, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:::I just saw online that if you turn the yellow plunger to the left while the blade is extended, it will lock. I don't know if that's the offical way or not, but it seems to work [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:04, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::::It works amazingly well. Thank you! Was this somewhere official and I just missed it? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 21:53, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Skyhammer (DOTM)

2011-05-30T06:23:43Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Talk:Shout! Studios

2011-05-05T23:39:32Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

-Languages and subtitles-

Are the DVD's English only or do they include Spanish audio and subtitles (the subtitles are less likely, I know).---[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:19, 23 August 2010 (EDT)

--Upcoming Releases--

According to the company's page here: http://www.shoutfactorystore.com/prod.aspx?pfid=5257414#axzz1LVmrlJtm
They're releasing a box set for the complete series, as well as an upcoming Japanese collection and Beast Wars Collection. Also, for people who bought the single seasons they're adding the slipcover. If the first of these is available May 24th, should I wait to update this page then? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 19:39, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Erector (G1)

2011-04-23T19:59:41Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

==Humor proposal==
I have a idea - given the obviousness (and lameness) of the jokes that will eventually appear in this article, I propose that this article will be written entirely 'straight', that is, taken seriously without any jokes. That, in fact, will be the joke - people expect bad jokes from this wiki, so we buck the trend. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
: What a flaccid page this shall be! -[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:: That's the joke :D People expect chock-a-block of viagra or erectile dysfunction or other dick-related jokes from this page, so we go in a completely opposite direction and do nothing. It's edgy! It's left-of-field humour! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Or we could fill the entire article with sophmoric sexual humor...but exercise a complete ban on anything that's even vaguely about erections, just to confuse people. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:20, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Lilformers has a better joke than the crap you get about erections. Why not just say something about his name? One little Micro-Master didn't QUITE make it to name day on time... [[User:86.17.124.125|86.17.124.125]] 14:57, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:Editing the humorous captions is a privilege accorded to editors who have made notable contributions to the wiki. Looking over your contribution history, you're not there yet. I recommend you get an account and find a substantive way to contribute, before editing the humor. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:09, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
:For what it's worth, I've got a Wikipedia account which I use for minor edits. And I just moved that username into Teletraan. And there's no reason to accuse me of being like Megatron. I'm smarter than him. [[User:Harley Quinn hyenaholic|Harley Quinn hyenaholic]] 15:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::Excellent, thank you for getting an account. Now, please stop editing captions until you've made some substantial contributions. Thank you. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:32, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== An Idea ==

I've written an alternative version of this at [[User:-Blackout-/Erector]]. Read and discuss, please.

(Before anyone asks: yes, we can take out the Wikipedia-style captions.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:44, 6 March 2010 (EST)
:Much better. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:52, 6 March 2010 (EST)
::Any chance of feedback from other people? I won't mind if you blow the idea to hell, really. :) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 15:33, 19 March 2010 (EDT)
:::I actually like the snickering about his name in the current article, sorry. Also, your word choice in the above comment is somewhat unfortunate. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:46, 19 March 2010 (EDT)
::::What? How? Impossible! Surely it isn't! [endsarcasm]
::::(I hate being a non-native English speaker.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:24, 19 March 2010 (EDT)

:I don't get that page. The differences are mainly the removal of the "(*snort*)","(*giggle*)" and such. So, what's that supposed to be, anyway? Is there some point I'm missing?
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 02:21, 15 June 2010 (EDT)

== Hall of Fame ==
Thought the consensus was HoF bios are in the New Aligned continuity?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:25, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:Not all bios are aligned, look at the Beast Wars characters. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:28, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:: So what decides Erectors is G1 and say Jazz's is NA?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 13:34, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::I agree. The BW guys are...different, because nothing like BW exists in the Prime-iverse such as it is so far. But Hasbro has made it clear that everything they do now is supposed to fit into their Grand New Continuity, so I think in the absence of aa reason it ISN'T, we have to assume Erector's bio IS. -[[User:LV|LV]] 13:37, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::To be the biggest difference is that there is no "aligned" Erector in any other way other than this bio. Heck, the G1 one barely exists other than a toy and a story page. All the other bios usually take an amalgamation of each "version" of the character. This only has the G1. I see no reason to create an Erector page. However, if Erector appears in the fiction in the future, the bio can move accordingly. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 13:53, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::I sorta agree. Unless we get official word about Erector in specific or he shows up in "aligned" fiction, I don't think splitting out an one-off bio is all that useful. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:59, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::There's also the fact that this year's bios are a heck of a lot less "Aligned" than last year's. Jazz has lost the "Prime's best friend" and "Cyber-Ninja" aspects, Shockwave lost his "gets emotional" bit... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:01, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I don't see it as losing things they mentioned last year, but just trying not to be repetitive. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:04, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Exactly. It's not losing anything, it's just a different write-up. And all of the "Great Exodus" stuff over and over and over again is really Aligned-y. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::: I agree that the new bio info should go here, not Erector (Prime) or whatever.... [[Special:Contributions/76.0.87.180|76.0.87.180]] 14:47, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::Since the bio is so short (and obviously meant humorously), would it be an option to put it in the Notes section rather than the Fiction section if opinions remain divided? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:05, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Since the nomination process is about nominating ''existing'' characters, it borders on paradoxical if the process itself can create new characters ''ex nihilo.'' "Erector (Aligned)" did not exist prior to the nomination process (and in my opinion does not exist now), so suggesting "Erector (Aligned)" is the guy who was nominated as a fan-favorite is kinda nonsensical. I think the bio should stay here. (Of course, the HoF process is not really about ''characters,'' but rather about "names and the cross-franchise character concepts behind them", but still.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:14, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Your "of course" statement negates the force of your argument. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:17, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Sometimes my ability to see both sides of an argument is more curse than blessing. My key point, that it's silly to suggest that people nominated someone ''who didn't exist,'' stands. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:41, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::And yet last year apparently people nominated a Jazz who was Orion Pax's best friend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:45, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I'm tempted to say that this nomination was an enormous cock-up. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:46, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Walky makes an arguable point. However, at the time when Jazz was nominated, Jazz (WFC) existed, though the game and book were still in the production process. Therefore, when Hasbro wrote the bio, they could legitimately be incorporating elements of Jazz (WFC) into the composite bio. In the case of Erector, inasmuch as we can deduce the Hasbro bio-writer's thought process, it was probably something like, "I'm going to write a bio for this G1 guy, but put a bit of Aligned polish on it, to suit our corporate needs." I don't think "polish" is enough to create a character, and I certainly think the HoF nominations process should never be construed to ''create new characters,'' that being entirely contrary to its purpose. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:12, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'm on Walky's side with this one. The idea that WfC already existed behind the scenes is a weak defense; no one who voted for Jazz was thinking about WfC Jazz. Every first-year HoF bio (except probably Dinobot) "created" a new character - they were all just quickly joined by other Aligned portrayals when WfC and ''Prime'' came out later. So the notion of putting Jazz's HoF info in the Aligned character's page is just as "paradoxical" as making a new page for Erector. I understand where you're coming from, since on the face of it this is indeed counterintuitive. But Erector isn't a new case; it's just a situation where there doesn't happen to be a preexisting Aligned page to obscure the bare mechanics of what we're doing. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:22, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

:::"Since the bio is so short"
:::Short? It's longer than his G1 tech spec and single fictional appearance combined! [[User:Arborday|Arborday]] 17:29, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

:If the HoF bio did nothing but talk about Erector, I'd be inclined to say keep the info on this page and move on. But the [[Armada Laserbeak Surveillance System]] and [[Real Gear Quick Action Weaponry]] are more problematic; there's already [[Talk:Real Gear Quick Action Weaponry|another discussion]] in progress. '''Edit''': Also, looking at [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-2011-Nominee-ERECTOR.cfm the bio] again, the reference to "the battle of Tyger Pax" strikes me as intentionally not-G1. Yes, [[Tyger Pax#Generation 1|Tyger Pax exists in G1]], but the only known battle there doesn't match the bio description, and the Movieverse and WfC have since come to "own" it as a pivotal event in the mythology.
:My general inclination is to treat the Hall of Fame like a little franchise. So, for instance, the RGQAW page's continuity note would read, "''from the [[Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]]''" (or even just "''from the [[Transformers Hall of Fame|Hall of Fame]]''" if we want to play it super-safe). If we made a new Erector page, it would be titled "Erector (HOF)". That sort of thing.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:44, 13 April 2011 (EDT)
::Dear. Gods. NO. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:42, 13 April 2011 (EDT)

== Quote ==

Am I the only one who thinks his "Why am I here?" quote from the Hall of Fame bio would be much more fitting here?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 11:08, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
: I hope so? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:17, 16 April 2011 (EDT)
:: I think the old one works better as a motto. "What am I doing here?" seems more like a tongue-in-cheek jab to all the people who voted for such a silly, obscure character. -- [[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:29, 16 April 2011 (EDT)

== Win or lose... ==

After the Hall of Fame choice is announced, this totally needs to be a Featured Article. Win or lose, the amount of blood squeezed out of this stone is astonishing. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 15:59, 23 April 2011 (EDT)

Battle Lines, Part 1

2011-03-07T16:36:49Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Battle Lines]]
|prev=The Coming Storm
|seriesissue2=[[Wings of Honor continuity|Wings of Honor]]
|prev2=The Coming Storm: Part 6
|next2=Battle Lines, Part 2
|title="Battle Lines, Part 1"
|publisher=[[Fun Publications]]
|published in=[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 37]]
|story=[[Rik Alvarez]] & [[Pete Sinclair]]
|writers=Pete Sinclair & [[Jesse Wittenrich]]
|pencils by=[[Dan Khanna]]
|inks by=Dan Khanna
|colors by=[[Evan Gauntt]] and [[Jesse Wittenrich]]
|letters by=Jesse Wittenrich
|managing editor=[[Pete Sinclair]]
|continuity=[[Wings of Honor continuity|Wings of Honor]]
}}

'''Side Burn pretends to be Dion to pick up tail.'''

==Synopsis==
In a bar on [[Cybertron]], an Autobot has unloaded his pain on supportive audio receptors. He recalls his time as a dock worker on [[storage yard 67]], innocent times with friends like Orion Pax and Ariel. Then came the horror of watching their murder at the hands of Megatron, minutes before experiencing his own death.

The Autobot remembers his reawakening, his reprieve from eternity, and a second chance. Rebuilt from the ground up, he was now a soldier, fighting a war. He notes the cruel, cyclical nature of existence. He made new friends and rebuilt his life, only to see it all shatter again in the cold face of the enemy. Such is the fate of Dion, last survivor of the [[Elite Guard]].

Oh, except this isn’t Dion telling Dion’s story. This is Side Burn trying to use Dion’s tragedy to score with some [[Road Rage|bar]] [[Red waitress Transformer|chicks]].

After he exposes the ruse, Prowl yanks Side Burn out before his angry new acquaintances can have at him. Prowl is aghast at Sideburn’s lack of decency and reminds him that impersonating an Elite Guard is a felony. For now, though, both Autobots have greater duties to attend.

[[Image:BattleLinesStarscreamandLyzack.jpg|thumb|200px|left|Starscream invents sexual harassment]]
[[Image:BattleLinesPrimeandCo.jpg|thumb|250px|"..along with my friends, Jazz, Prowl, Brawn, Ironhide, and -who the hell is that?"]]Meanwhile, at Deathsaurus’s Lair, Starscream reports that the [[Combaticons]] mission is a success: The Elite Guard have been destroyed. However, Stascream is concerned about the Combaticons being allowed into the Decepticon ranks, claiming they are only interested in furthering their own power and will betray him the first chance they get.
Deathsaurus assuages Starscream’s fear, telling him that such ambitions are what make them the perfect Decepticons. They're what separates them from the “stagnation and complacency of the Autobots”.
Preparing for their return, Starscream orders Lyzack to ready the medical bay, paying her some condescending flirtations in the process. While Lyzack is demure toward her commander, she harbors resentment in secret.

Back at the Citadel, Magnum gathers the remaining members of the Elite Guard, including the real Dion, to reassure the [[Autobot High Council]] that the Guard is still in operation. Their plans are halted by the assembly in the auditorium, with Optimus Prime accepting his position as leader of the new Autobot Military.
{{-}}
==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Dion]] (1)
*[[Paradron Medic]] (2)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]] (4) (flashback)
*[[Roller (G1)|Barrelroller]] (5) (flashback)
*[[Elita One|Ariel]] (6) (flashback)
*[[Cop-Tur (Timelines)|Cop-Tur]] (9) (flashback)
*[[Sentinel Major]] (11) (flashback)
*[[Magnum]] (12)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (13)
*[[Landshark]] (14)
*[[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]] (15) (flashback)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (16) (flashback)
*[[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]] (17) (flashback)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (18) (flashback)
*[[Road Rage]] (19)
*[[Side Burn (Timelines)|Side Burn]] (20)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (21)
*[[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]] (25)
*[[Flak (G1)|Flak]] (26)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (27)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (28)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (29)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (30)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (7) (flashback)
*[[Transport drone|Transport warriors]] (8) (flashback)
*[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] (10) (flashback)
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (22)
*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] (23)
*[[Lyzack]] (24)
}}

==Quotes==
*TBA

==Notes==
*The opening page recounts some of the events of "[[War Dawn]]." Though we knew these events were in Dion's backstory, this is the first time we've seen them (and Dion's pre-Elite Guard body) in this continuity.
*This is the first fictional appearance of both Cop-Tur and Road Rage.
*The [[red waitress Transformer]] that Side Burn is trying to pick up looks like [[T-AI]] but is not T-AI. She's only supposed to ''look'' like T-AI. We are silly for thinking she's supposed to be T-AI. [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=76339&view=findpost&p=1753060]
*Like Side Burn's ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' counterpart, he's berated by his universe's Prowl for being a good-for-nothing doofus.
*Similar to the Cybertronian altmodes seen in the first episode of the original cartoon, Prowl's robot mode still looks like it transforms into a Datsun, but his [[trans-form]] is a vehicle that looks completely different.
*Both Ironhide and Ratchet are shown in their ''[[Descent into Evil]]'' bodies, as ''Wings of Honor'' continues to feature the [[BotCon 2005]] exclusives.

[[Category:Generation 1 issues]]
[[Category:Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issues]]

Wheelie (Animated)

2011-03-02T09:41:07Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{disambig3|Wheelie}}
{{faction|autobot}}
:''Wheelie is an [[Autobot]] as tall as your knee from the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:WheelieAnimated.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''No one cares for you a smidge 
''When you're in an orphanage'']]

'''Wheelie''' is small 'cuz he's just a child. 
Orphaned, abandoned, he was found in the wild. 
[[Silver Guardian]]s found him and brought him back home, 
And now he rhymes due to all his time alone. 
(The [[Quintesson|Quints]]' [[Zeotopia]] must have been a terrible place.) 
These days he hangs out with [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] and [[Dug Base]].

==Note==
[[Character model]]s for Wheelie and [[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] 
[[Derrick J. Wyatt]] specially drew up 
To put in the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|AllSpark Almanac II]].'' 
But it wasn't quite all that he wanted to do. 
He'd planned all those from the [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie in 1986]], 
But sadly ''Transformers Animated'' wound up getting nixed.

[[Category: Animated Autobots]]
[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]

Wheelie (Animated)

2011-03-02T09:40:40Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{disambig3|Wheelie}}
{{faction|autobot}}
:''Wheelie is an [[Autobot]] as tall as your knee from the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:WheelieAnimated.jpg|right|thumb|300px|''No one cares for you a smidge 
''When you're in an orphanage'']]

'''Wheelie''' is small 'cuz he's just a child. 
Orphaned, abandoned, he was found in the wild. 
[[Silver Guardian]]s found him and brought him back home, 
And now he rhymes due to all his time alone. 
(The [[Quintesson|Quints]]' [[Zeotopia]] must have been a terrible place.) 
These days he hangs out with [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] and [[Dug Base]].

==Note==
[[Character model]]s for Wheelie and [[Kup (Animated)|Kup]] 
[[Derrick J. Wyatt]] specially drew up 
To put in the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|AllSpark Almanac II]].'' 
But it wasn't quite all that he wanted to do. 
He'd planned all those from of the [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie in 1986]], 
But sadly ''Transformers Animated'' wound up getting nixed.

[[Category: Animated Autobots]]
[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]

Talk:Aligned continuity family

2011-02-27T19:06:14Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

==The name==
This page needed to be called ''something,'' and none of the suggested options seemed to have more or less community support in [[Talk:Transformers: Prime (franchise)|previous discussion]], so I went with what I liked best. For the record, here are the choices I've seen:

* '''New Aligned''' (or just '''Aligned''')
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024] [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/]

* '''Modern'''
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hasbro_Q%26A/January_2011:_Answers] [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011]

* '''War for Cybertron/Exodus'''
:Taken from Hasbro commentary: [http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/1024]

* '''Prime'''
:Based on the current most prominent franchise

* '''Bible'''
:Based on the monumental production bible and the fact that the WfC novel is named "Exodus"

For my money, I prefer the first two, and I went with "New Aligned" over "Modern" because it's more unique and descriptive, plus it's less prone to dating. "War for Cybertron/Exodus" is clunky, and I vehemently dislike "Prime" because of all the confusion and debates we've caused ourselves by having both a [[Generation 1 (franchise)|"G1" franchise]] and a [[Generation 1 continuity family|"G1" continuity family]]. "Bible" strikes me as kind of left-field and too laden with real-world baggage.

I don't mean to impose my opinion; if the community prefers a different name, that's cool. And of course, if Hasbro ever declares an official name, this whole question is moot. But in the meantime... gotta have something.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:01, 25 February 2011 (EST)
:I myself have been using the term "Modern Aligned Continuity" to refer to this canon, combining both of the terms that Hasbro has used. I'd say that both terms are able to encompass WFC, Exodus, and Prime without favoring one over the other. But since there are two terms, and since neither seems to take precedence over the other, I just use both at once. Ergo, the "Modern Aligned Continuity". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:15, 26 February 2011 (EST)
::It's not always going to be "new," so lacking an official term, I'd omit that part of it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:44, 26 February 2011 (EST)
Yeah, won't always be new, I'd vote "Modern Aligned" or just "Aligned". --ZacWilliam (not logged in)
:[[Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)#New continuity family!|"Modern" isn't all that popular]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:03, 26 February 2011 (EST)
::I would also agree to just call it the aligned continuity. I take this to mean we are moving "[[Optimus Prime (Prime)]]" to "Optimus Prime (WFC)"? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:23, 26 February 2011 (EST)
:::A valid question, but let's save that for its own discussion, maybe over on [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:05, 27 February 2011 (EST)

=="Superseding" and so forth==
I think that that section could use a closing sentence, but since my first draft has been deleted twice, how about this rephrasing?

:It is unclear whether Hasbro intends the New Aligned fiction to merely sit askew from the rest of the multiverse, or rather to supersede it somehow. Hasbro has not used the term "[[canon]]" in its statements, so this wiki assumes the former in accordance with our [[Canon#Canon in Transformers|"everything is canon"]] policy.

Basically, I think it's important for the reader to know that there are a couple of ways to interpret the information we've gotten, but we're running with one for practicality's sake.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:58, 27 February 2011 (EST)
:It hasn't really superseded anything, has it? There's ongoing fiction for G1 and Movieverse being produced. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 13:47, 27 February 2011 (EST)

==Toy Bios?==
Obviously we haven't seen the backs of the new Prime toys yet, but were there any bios on the backs of WfC Prime or Bumblebee toys? They'd only present micro-continuities, if anything, but they'd be worth mentioning. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:06, 27 February 2011 (EST)

Side Burn (SG)

2011-02-24T09:46:56Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{factions|sgAutobot}}
{{disambig3|Side Burn}}
:''Side Burn is an evil [[Autobot]] from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[continuity family]].''
{{faceless}}

'''Side Burn''' is a rising star in the Autobot hierarchy. Although young and new on the scene, he has recently come to the attention of both [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Rodimus Prime (SG)|Rodimus Prime]] as a promising operative. Completely undistracted by the wiles of passing femme bots, Side Burn is diligently devoted to the progression of the Autobot cause. Why then do [[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]] and other Autobots have difficulty trusting him? Is it suspicions about where he came from? Questions about how he survives fatal injury without a scratch? Or just simple jealousy? Time will tell.

==Fiction==
===Shattered Glass===
Side Burn was reporting to Optimus Prime along with Blurr after the disasterous melee between the [[Mayhem Suppression Squad]] and [[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]]'s newly-minted [[Dinobot (SG)|Dinobot]]s at the fuel depots of [[Khon]]. Despite Prime's rage, Side Burn gently reminded his liege that had the [[Wreckers]] been reformed at his earlier suggestion, the Suppressors would be less of a thorn in their sides. When Optimus Prime declared routing the Dinobots overtake the preparations for the ''[[Ark (SG)|Ark]]'' as the Autobots' top priority, Side Burn was unusually perturbed. As Optimus prepared to banish Wheeljack back to [[Gygax]], Side Burn instead stepped in to offer an alternative punishment -- put the high-minded Wheeljack to work on computer programming maintenance for the ''Ark'', punishing him with "menial" technical labor while accelerating the ''Ark's'' time table. Prime found it delightfully cruel, and accepted the notion over Blurr's misgivings.

After Prime left the room, Blurr violently confronted Side Burn for overstepping his boundaries. Although Side Burn pleaded loyalty and innocence, Blurr was nevertheless quite suspicious of the young Autobot's true intentions. {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}}

Side Burn was among the Autobots who journeyed to Earth aboard the ''Ark'', abandoning Optimus Prime in favor of his usurper, Rodimus Prime. He participated in the raid on Burpleson Air Force base to capture the control center for the GODS orbital weapon system. Reluctantly standing guard duty outside, Side Burn chose to make contact with an approaching Earth vehicle instead of driving it off or simply having the Scrounges eliminate it. When [[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] questioned him about his curious bout of initiative, Side Burn merely said they would need to learn all they could about humans if Earth was to be their new home.

The arriving humans claimed to be caters delivering Cold Slither Brand Frozen Treats to "refuel" the soldiers. Big Daddy saw the value of feeding their slaves/hostages, and overruled Side Burn to allow the catering van into the base. He also noted, with a mildly-threatening curiosity, that Side Burn hadn't been himself lately...questioning orders, complaining about his duties, etc. Side Burn defended his actions by merely saying he wanted to do all he could for the Autobot cause. {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}

Side Burn later assisted [[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]] and Wheeljack in the creation of a [[Stellar Spanner]], a project that was absolutely, definitely of course authorized by Rodimus. After Wheeljack determined there was an equally good chance the device would deposit passengers on Cybertron or somewhere in the void of the Antares System, Goldbug was quick to nominate Side Burn as a test pilot. Side Burn respectfully reminded his lieutenant commander that his mechanical knowledge contributed to the device's construction, and he might be needed to help Wheeljack with repairs.

Luckily, the Decepticon named Heatwave happened to reveal his presence soon after, and the Autobots had found their volunteer. He didn't go quietly, however, launching a volley of missiles that caught Side Burn square in the torso, slamming him backwards into one of the Spanner's pylons with enough force to nearly snap him in two. Astonishingly, Side Burn rejoined his fellow Autobots minutes later, seemingly no worse for the wear. When Goldbug asked him point blank why he wasn't dead, Side Burn innocently claimed the hideous trauma and systems crash was "just a flesh wound", and it only looked bad from Goldbug's perspective. {{storylink|Blitzwing Bop}}

''Hmmmm...''
==Toys==
===Universe (2003)===
* '''Side Burn''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Rear fender/missile launcher, tailpipe/missile, gun/knife
{{note|Shattered Glass Side Burn is a [[repurposing]] of the toy described below.}}

: A [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]], ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Side Burn is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Side Burn (RID)#Toys|Super Side Burn]] toy, transforming into a Dodge Viper with exposed engine. His rear bumper detaches to form a hand-held spring-loaded missile launcher that uses his tailpie as the projectile.

: Though he uses the same base plastics (for the main robot body at least) as Super Side Burn, black paint was added over the red on the car mode parts (though the bumpers are still red), and a fiberglass pattern was added to the hood, along with a giant Autobot insignia on the car roof. The gun/knife was also dechromed and was cast in silver plastic. Also, the Dodge Viper logo was added to the front of the car, as it had been for both [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]] and [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/SideBurn/sideburn.htm More information on ''Universe'' Side Burn at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
*Side Burn may not be exactly what he seems. He is clearly acting suspiciously on several occasions, and can also suffer massive physical trauma while showing no ill effect moments later. Alongside [[Crasher (SG)|Crasher]] and [[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] (and, of course, [[Heatwave]]), he is one of the few Shattered Glass characters without a clear Generation 1 counterpart. Some people have leapt to the conclusion that he is [[Side Burn (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Side Burn]] who arrived in the Shattered Glass universe after the Universe War at the [[Cauldron]], but that would do little to explain his behavior and recuperative powers. In defense, they have claimed that Fun Publications writers regularly contribute to the Wiki and haven't corrected them, but Fun Publications can be [[Clench (G1)#Notes|notorious bastards]] when they want to be.

[[Category:Prose-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]

Category talk:Double agents

2011-02-19T08:28:58Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Any objections to adding Dinobot to this page? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 18:52, 18 February 2011 (EST)
: Yes. He was never a double agent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:05, 18 February 2011 (EST)
:: The only reason I suggested it was the descriptor for the section: "This category details characters who switch factions or are of uncertain loyalty." Neither he nor Jetfire (G1) were double agents, but they are "characters who switch factions." Yes, I know what it's meant to say, but the wording is awkward. So, let me try this differently. Instead of adding characters who have switched factions, can that segment of descriptor be re-worded? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 03:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)

Category talk:Double agents

2011-02-18T23:52:48Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: New page: Any objections to adding Dinobot to this page? ~~~~

Any objections to adding Dinobot to this page? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 18:52, 18 February 2011 (EST)

Talk:Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes

2011-02-03T01:21:34Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: /* H-Tank */

... You know, if it's going to be "popular" alternate modes, it should be a form that at least, you know, more than two people share. I say three seperate characters (if not three different MOLDS) is the bare minimum. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Me, I'd say five to six characters, with preferably a minimum of three or four different "molds" (since some of these bodies/characters may end up as fiction-only). Rampant redecoing is kinda cheating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I think we also have to be kind of tough on what counts. For cars, it should be same make and model. For critters, though, I'm gonna have to go with same general species. "Scorpions" seems acceptable to me, but "birds" doesn't. You'd have to do something more like "falcons" or "eagles" for it to seem alright. I dunno why. Also, what do we do with Fuzors? I'm kind of loath to include the Sharkticons and Seacons and shit, but, say, Overbite's bio identifies him as a "shark," while Snapdragon's just calls him a "reptile." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::: For invertebrates, I don't know HasTak have ever made multiple distinct species, so the way we count scorpions and crabs is fine. Spiders might be the exception there. The vertebrate section, however, is a MESS. We have a "wolves" section that excludes the domestic subspecies of Canis lupus, and then an entire order of mammals lumped together as "bats". Vertebrates should probably be broken down by species, although that makes a mess of bears. Breaking it down by genus, though, would lump together the lions, tigers, and jaguars... which is just wrong. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::This just seems to be the way humans think about other animals--there's a strong pro-mammal bias. Every child can identify mammal species on sight ("wolf," "lion," "tiger," "gorilla"), but more distantly related animals are usually known only at the order or even subclass level ("parrot", "shark"). Their kind all look alike. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Aaron Archer doesn't care about black-winged Macaws (or whatever). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Indeed Thy, I was thinking just that as I wrote it. It's what we're stuck with though, since HasTak really DID make the crabs and scorpions to all look alike. The ones we need to clean up are "bats" and "sharks"... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, aside from K-9, have there BEEN any other TF non-wolf-canines? That hyena guy, I guess. I think the other issue is that "lions" is gonna have twelve guys, tops. "Big cats" is more like 40 guys. If we're going to do this at ALL, we should err on the side of making it manageable, and if that means dividing mammals more than dividing invertebrates, then I'm all for it. (also, seriously, we need a "two headed monster" category.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Hoop, hyenas are Feliforms. ''Canis'' is just wolves (including the domestic dog and dingo), the coyote, and jackals. :) -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think this page is a useful reference whenever three or more characters from multiple molds share a vehicle mode. In the case of rampant redecoing, that mold's section on each character's toy page covers the body-sharing, so we should delete things like the Volkswagen Beetle. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::We are getting a section on Tigers, right? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind seeing this article changed from "popular" to "shared," and have no numerical restrictions, just list all specific alt modes that more than one character uses. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Then we're basically making the page utterly redundant and useless, since we're talking what, half the TF cast? 
: This is looking at the phenomenon of certain alternate mode models popping up more often than others, and across multiple unique toy molds. There are a LOT of unique Dassault Rafale jets in TFdom. A LOT of that Fizzle-style Baja Buggy. A LOT of those huge earth-mover dump-trucks. Two characters having the same altmode over almost 25 years doesn't quite impress, especially considering the sheer amount of redecoing of molds going on. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, with the section on beast modes containing only lions, tigers, and bears, it's practically crying out for an "Oh My" header. Any Transformers that turn into beasts that are so utterly bizarre no one has any idea what they hell they are? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Enough of them that are similar enough to each other to make up a listing on this page? Without checking, I'd say "probably not". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The only "monster" types I could even remotely entertain doing an entry here for would be "two headed dragon" (Hun-Grarararrrrugh, Doublecross, etc.) and "bug monster" (Repugnus, Repugnus) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Requirements and cleanup==
I think it's time we took a serious look at this page. It's currently a damn sprawling mess. 
# First of all... let's decide on a "minimum requirements". I think the primary one should be "at least three unique 'molds' across as many different characters", (which would include instances like the IDW characters who have different model altmodes from their originals). 
# Next... what counts as "close enough"? Neither make of Ferrari goes over two molds, but the two makes are pretty damn close visually. 
# Let me propose this as an alternate method of listing to cut waaaaaay back on vertical space... it would need to be noted up top that these are grouped by mold, but still.

:* [[Side Burn (RID)|''RID'' Side Burn]] / [[Roulette (Universe)|''Universe'' Roulette]] / [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|''Universe'' Shadow Striker]]

:* ''RID'' Side Burn ([[Spy Changer]]) / [[Jazz (G1)#Universe|G1 Jazz (''Universe'')]]

:* [[Sideswipe (G1)#Alternators|G1 Sideswipe (''Alternators'')]] / [[Dead End (G1)#Alternators|Dead End (''Alternators'')]] / [[Sunstreaker (G1)#Alternators/Binaltech Asterisk|Sunstreaker (''Alternators'')]]

:* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (IDW comic, non-toy appearance)

Just kicking around stuff. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Three molds" is definitely the right threshold. For the vehicles, your format looks good. None of the vehicular mold mates on this list are retooled to represent different models, so it works. Animal mold mates DO get turned into different species, though. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

: I can get behind "three molds," most def. I would argue that with autos, it should be make and model, but not necessarily year. The Mustang gets in, because there are three Mustang TFs, even though one is a first-gen and the other two are fifth-gen. The Ferraris don't, I don't think, 'cause they're different models. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I've only left the Ferraris in because you'd think that, like the Porsches and Lamborghinis, at least ''one'' of their supercars would have a mold threepeat in the 23-year history of the brand and it just wasn't coming to mind. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Would Dromaeosauridae (raptors and Deinonychus) count? It's got a mold (''Beast Wars'' Dinobot) shared by three characters, another mold (Transmetal 2 Dinobot) shared by two characters, and a retool (Thrustor) for one character. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:'''No'''. We should only include individual species of vertebrates. "Dromaeosauridae" is waaay out of line, and there are only two unique molds anyway. The list you're making in the Sandbox is really flawed, with a "Walrus" list consisting entirely of a Pretender shell being indicative of how problematic it is. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::That list only exists so I can keep track of how many Transformers fall under whatever classification. I'm not going to place it in here. Jesus, no. Regardless, the reason I put in "Dromaeosauridae" is because people can't seem to make up their mind on what exact species the two molds are. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==On Beasts...==
Or, more accurately, Beast Wars. I gotta be honest. I'm... not really thinking that including BW is a good idea, and I'm even questioning "beast modes" altogether. I mean... "Bears" is not the same level of specific classification as "Dassault Rafales". Which was kind of the point of the article... "ain't there a lot of Dassault Rafales" is considerably more curious than "ain't there a lot of sorta t-rexes", given the wide variety of fighter jet makes. 
And even with the fudging made to avoid licensing on many a vehicle mode... it's nowhere as much fudging as the likes of the Cheetor mold, which has been used to be a cheetah, a tiger and a panther, three pretty damn different types of big cat. BM probably not either. Most of the organic beast modes are... really, really vague and bad representations of actual animals, as much so as the wholly-mechanical ones where Ravage being a jaguar is mostly a matter of "okay, if you say so". Damn guy could be a puma, cheetah, cougar... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeeah. While I like the concept, it all needs too much hand-waving for my liking. We have to pack all spiders together to make a decent list, even though the species are as different as lions are to tigers. Arbitrary criteria isn't something we can do away with in animals. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I freely admit I added the beast section in the first place because I wanted to mock this article. That said, I think it's a legitimate section (albeit of an article I find silly.)
::...you should dump the fuzors though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Beast split==

I'm going to remove the beasts from this page and create one called "Popular beast modes" if there is no objection. The feeling seems to be that having lists for Gorilla, Canis, Tyrannosaurus, etc. is useful but can't be measured by the same standard as "Man, there sure are a lot of Lamborghini Diablos". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

==Brawl is not an Abrams==

Well, no more than the Rattler is an A-10. He was a repurposed "stealth tank" from ''XXX: State of the Union''. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siren/RX-7 ==

Since two people seem to be against me on this I figured I'd post some photographic proof:
[http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/go-rx7.jpg]

Note the lack of secondary headlights on the Supra that are clearly present on the RX-7, among other glaringly obvious differences. I hope that clears everything up. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Detour, being a mechanic. Siren/Go Shooter is much more like a FC3S 2nd Generation RX-7 then the Supra. I can see why people might think it's a Mark II or Mark III of Toyota's turn from Celica Supra to just plain Supra, but the FC3S has more of the little details that show that it's more like it. Also the rear lights on the Siren/Go Shooter toy have more of the curvature of a RX-7 FC3S Savanna.

:[http://tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GoShooter/goshooter.htm Siren]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mk3_supra.jpg Supra]
:[http://auto.indiamart.com/cars/photo-gallery/gifs/car91b.jpg RX-7]

:Note Siren's (okay, Go Shuta's - Siren's hood emblem is more distracting) centerline hood bump, absent on any of the appropriate model-year RX-7s, as well as the prominent front fender. Also notice the lack of an air intake on the toy as seen on the FC3S. If you ask me, the problem here is that the animators have decided to draw some other car for the cartoon - much like they did with all the Combaticons.

:I find it highly unlikely that two white cars were both intended by Hasbro and Takara to be RX-7s in the same year. Getaway is inarguably an RX-7 Turbo II.

:I don't care enough about this page to try to decide how this affects Siren's listing on it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:This isn't my area of expertise at all, but, if there is a seemingly legitimate uncertainty due to hybridized features or something, it is far better to explicitly note this in the article (regardless of where he's placed) than to just pick one or the other with no explanation. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The example you used in your photos is the FB3S, the first generation of the RX-7 line, not a good example. Also the FC3S came without the hood air intake also, just it's difficult to find a photo of one on short notice, the one pictured was the Savanna model, the more sporty version.

:It's like Proto said, not all models of the RX-7 came with a hood air intake. Here's one without: [http://www.pro-imports.ie/images/rx7001.jpg]. Steve-O, I don't think there's uncertainty since I pretty much recognized Siren as being an RX-7 right away. I'm a Supra worshipper... if Siren was a Supra, I'd have recognized it and I'd be the first one flipping out with joy over it and pointing it out on the respective articles.
:Also, what's wrong with having two distinct toys sharing an alt mode in the same year? 1984 gave us two different Lamborghini toys, didn't it? And in 1985 we got both Camshaft and the RX-7 Minispy.
::You have yet to address the blatant difference in the front fascia between the matching Siren and Supra and the RX-7, as well as centerline hood bulge, which still do not match using your new picture. Removal of the hood air intake does not make the lines of the front end or hood match. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Big Trucks ==

Did someone forgot to put the Peterbilt 379 in this section? Optimus turns into a civilian vehicle.
:The word you're missing is "Popular." In other words, something more than one Transformer turns into. Please read! It's essential. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You and I know how many semi trucks are there in the G1 Series.([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC))

==Space Shuttles==
There is already three space shuttles can you please put it down on the article? Astrotrain, Jetfire and Sky Lynx are the same American Space Shuttles.([[User:76.213.157.97|76.213.157.97]] 00:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC))
:Jetfire has never been an American space shuttle. His Armada form is ''similar'' but still quite Cybertronian. [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] however qualifies easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::There's also Mach, the Micromaster Combiners shuttle, the Sixwing component, and Galaxy Shuttle. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Military tanks ==

Since this only includes one particular tank, I don't think it needs its own sub-heading. I propose it and "Military aircraft" be combined into "Military vehicles", or "Military hardware". Any objections? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Works for me. Military ground vehicles outside of the "traditional" tanks don't seem to be too common in TFdom, do they. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Aircraft ==

Are you sure that many transformers turn into F-15s and F-22s?([[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] 23:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC))

==Nissan Z==
With Classics Prowl well on his way, would the Z series be considered a popular altmode, given the 280Z (Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen), the 300ZX (Streetwise) and the 350Z (Classics Prowl)? --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 21:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])

== Aircraft Carriers ==
What about them? We have [[Flattop (Decepticon)|Flattop]], [[Broadside (G1)]] and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)]] and maybe some more which I'm not aware of. That's enough, or not? I'm not sure where to put them, "military vehicles" or "miscallenous". --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 22:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:To be fair, Flattop's alt mode is a jet, he just comes with another jet that turns into an aircraft carrier. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::[[Majin Zarak]] qualifies, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'm kind of loath to do "aircraft carrier" because that's kind of vague - if Recharge were here, he could probably clarify, but I'm pretty sure that "aircraft carrier" is like "racing motorcycle" - there are a lot of different designs out there, and some of them are probably fudged for TFs sake. If someone who knew what they were talking about (like 'Charge) could actually sit down and go "Tidal Wave, Broadside, and Flattop's carrier are all ''Nimitz''-class carriers or close enough," then go for it. Otherwise it's like saying that Groove, Glide, and RiD Axer all belong together because they're touring bikes. (note that I don't think this is gonna happen, because Tidal Wave's carrier is basically a marginally better depiction of an aircraft carrier than Grandus.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm with Hoop on this. I mean, we do have one kinda-vague set, the Baja buggy... but at least that one has a fairly hefty group of dudes in that form (plus I don't know if there even IS a "brand" for them). If you're kinda struggling for three... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I also had that thought about the necessity of specific types/classes of carriers when I wrote the initial post, but then again I thought that Aircraft carriers should be treated as a single group, mainly because the TF Aircraft carrier-designs are pretty generic and stylized and those differences and details which an expert would look for at real carriers are simply not present at those lil' toys. I mean, to make a car into an 4" toy, it only has to be downsized to a scale of 1:50 or so, to make a 4 inch toy out of an aircraft carrier means a scale of 1:"severalhundred". Thus a lot more details are ironed out. But it's your decision, not mine. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 23:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:: If I felt that the TF aircraft carriers were designed with even a REMOTE eye for accuracy, I'd be more willing to consider it, but as it stands, the TF carriers are all *very* crude approximations, even taking toy scale into issue - they're better at being aircraft carriers than say, Grandus or Majin Zarak, but they're all still basically "big flat thing with a little towery bit=aircraft carrier." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Dassault Rafaele ==

G2 Eagle Eye is listed here as a Rafaele, but his page calls him a EF2000 Eurofighter. Which is it? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== Construction Vehicles ==
For a project I'm working on, I'd like to be able to source the various construction vehicles. I think quite a few fulfil the rules above. One problem is the two sides of the Atlantic use different terms. On the east we use terms like cement mixers, diggers and er, other terms I haven't used since I was 6! [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Motorcycles ==
Likewise for the same reasons above. Specific model types of motor-cycles (as is applied to cars) might be being a bit too strict. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==VW Beetle==
Um... IDW Goldbug doesn't actually turn into a VW, does he? I thought he was a Cybertronian whatever. So we're still at only two for this one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:IDW Goldbug doesn't turn into a VW, but surely the Goldbug toy that he's based on is still associated with the character. Besides ... Donald Duck, completely separate character, so whether or not you count Goldbug, we're at three. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:38, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::I don't know that I would consider the original Goldbug toy an IDW Goldbug. Especially since it was designed to be a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee and ''was'' a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee for over 20 years. Donald Duck is the only VW Beetle toy that was not first made and marketed as the Bumblebee character. Until we get a VW Beetle toy that is ''explicitly'' supposed to be IDW Goldbug, we shouldn't include him. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:55, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The requirement isn't that the toy is first made and marketed as a new character though, just that it exists. Characters like Volks and Bugbite and Glyph certainly count as a different mold/character use, even if they were Bumblebee first. As for repurposed toys, I think they're totally valid. You MIGHT hang an argument on the idea that the Goldbug toy doesn't match up with the IDW body depiction of the character, but that's a slippery slope. Animated Blackouts only ever appears as a Cybertronian jet, but you'd still associate his character with the Earth mode helicopter toy, no? Long story short, Beetles have many, many molds and many, many characters. This includes at least 3, possibly 4, unique character/mold designations. At this point, to not include him would be silly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:34, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, the requirement is at least that an existing toy repurposed is officially stated to be that certain other character, I would think? The Animated Blackout toy is officially Blackout even if we never see him in fiction as the Earth helicopter. And folks like the Shattered Glass characters are officially shown/said to be certain toys. But we got zip that officially says or shows that IDW Goldbug = toy Goldbug. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:46, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Really? Would you seriously put forth the proposition that the IDW Throttlebots are not based on the Throttlebot toys? The funny thing is, it doesn't even matter for this argument. With or without Goldbug, Beetles qualify. I therefor propose that we move this discussion over to the [[Goldbug (IDW)]] page where it belongs.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'd put forth that they're based on the Throttlebot ''characters'', obviously. Whether they're based on the toys is another matter entirely, considering that they don't even have Earth modes yet to judge from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:08, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, Beetles would ''not'' qualify. Every VW Beetle mold that is not Donald Duck was first designed for and sold as the character of Bumblebee, even if one was Bumblebee with a different name. Redecos are not qualifications, new characters or not, otherwise this list would be way, way longer. And it is kind of pointless to go "look, a toy of the exact same character as another toy shares an altmode!", so "World's Smallest" toys are out too. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:56, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Siph, I love you but you're just flat out wrong on this. The qualifications listed on the page are: "There must be at least three unique toy molds (or in-fiction appearances, in the case of non-toy bodies/characters) that share the model. There must also be at least one unique character per mold." We never say anything about 'the first use of the mold has to be a different character than the first use of the other molds.' If you think that the requirement for inclusion should change, well, that's a completely separate argument. We've got three characters across three molds - let's say World's Smallest/Bumblebee, 1984 VW mold/Bug Bite, and the Disney Label / Donald Duck here. It doesn't matter that Bug Bite shares a mold with Bumblebee. If it did, then every time a later redeco comes out that homages an earlier character, we'd have to go and start removing popular alt modes, and that's lunacy.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:13, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Then the top is worded wrong. Look at the other lists as they are now. Not a one counts same-character-same-altmode-different-toys to get up to three, because "three different molds made for three different characters" is what we've been using as the yardstick. And I have no clue what you're on about for removing entries based on later homages. The point is ''the original toys' design intent''. That so many different toy molds were developed to be different characters yet kept going back to specific vehicle makes is the point of the article. It is ''not'' interesting when a single character has a bunch of different molds all based on a single alternate mode. That's ''expected''. Nor is it interesting when a mold is redecoed to be another character; that too is very very commonplace. We list each mold's redecos out of completeness/linking-to-more-obscure-stuff's sake, not as a yardstick (and we shouldn't list same-character redecos like "Red Bumblebee" because ''holy fuck'' would that make some listings, such as the G2 Go-Bots molds, stupidly long for no good reason). It is the creation of an entirely new mold based on a recurring vehicle that is a character who hasn't been one of those yet (be it because they didn't exist previously or had another alternate mode) that's the oddity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::OK, the discussion becomes, what SHOULD the criteria for inclusion be, since apparently you're not happy with the way it's been listed out for the past, I dunno, year or so? I'm not sure I see how it's relevant what the designers intention is. I mean, technically, the 1984 Bumblebee toy wasn't intended to be Bumblebee, or even a real car, at all, right? It was intended to be a penny racer in the Microman line. So, then, you have one toy that was intended to be something not Bumblebee and repurposed and redecoed into a bunch of guys (including Bumblebee), then a few toys intended to be Bumblebee, then a toy intended to be Donald Duck. So we're STILL ok, even by the 'designer intention' criteria you proposed above. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

== Buses? ==

What's the feeling on buses? The article for Ironhide (Animated) says he's a minibus (although Cybertronian, so that may not count). Additionally, the school bus at Murray Wright High School has a notation that says it's actually the FOURTH bus Transformer. Granted, I think all these buses have been different models (double-decker, metro, school, etc.) so they still might not be appropriate... [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 12:22, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:For this article, we'd pretty much need to know the specific models of the buses - we can't just put "Bus" on the list. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:30, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, thought so. Most of the buses are all really small or really hidden, and even if I knew the models, they'd all be different. I should've thought of that. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 19:42, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

== F-35 Lightning II ==

There is already 4 transformers that turn into an F-35 Lightninh II and that's breakaway, sunstorm, armada thrust and rotf thrust([[User:Dr L|Dr L]] 13:22, 14 September 2009 (EDT))
:That's only two molds. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:25, 14 September 2009 (EDT)

== Eurocopter Dauphin ==

[[Blazemaster|''Revenge of The Fallen'' Blaze Master]] is listed here as a Dauphin, but his own page says he is a [[wikipedia:Bell 412|Bell 412]]. He certainly looks more like the Bell to me. If we remove him from the Dauphin listing, the whole section must go away. Just looking for agreement before proceeding. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:21, 16 November 2009 (EST)
:Removed section due to lack of response to above notice. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:52, 21 November 2009 (EST)

== H-Tank ==

I know this page isn't the right place as they're not Earth vehicles and would need to be a specific model anyway, but given the TF-unique nature of the H-tank, should we have something listing all of them? Apologies if there already is such a list (or a discussion of this elsewhere), but I couldn't find one. [[User:J'mie|J'mie]] 16:50, 23 February 2010 (EST)

Anyone want to weigh in on this H-tank thing?[[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 20:21, 2 February 2011 (EST)

== Wikipedia links ==

Would anyone object to adding links to the Wikipedia articles for the real-world vehicles? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:26, 31 December 2010 (EST)

Hailstorm (TF 2010)

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{{faction|decepticonfilm}}
{{disambig2|the Decepticon from the 2010 Transformers toyline|the [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]] [[Mini-Con]]|Hailstorm (Armada)}}
:''Hailstorm is a Decepticon from the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:TF2010-toy_Hailstorm.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Why's everybody running away? I too want to be hugged.]]

Before the war, '''Hailstorm''' used to belong to some of the same weapons clubs as [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], so now that the Decepticon is at large, the only Autobot who knows through experience how dangerous Hailstorm is has his mind set on bringing him to justice.

==Toys==
===Transformers (2010)===
*'''Hailstorm''' (Deluxe Class, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''AA-13'''

:Hailstorm is a green [[Wikipedia:Multiple rocket launcher|multiple rocket launcher]]. He was shown at [[Toy Fair 2010]]'s slide show presentation, but these images were off-limits to photography. [[Hasbro]] said at the event that he is based on the [[Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]] comic-only character [[Mindset]], though the toy obviously takes quite a few liberties. At [[BotCon 2010]], it was further revealed that the figure would later be [[redeco]]ed ''as'' Mindset.

[[Category: Toy-only characters]]
[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Transformers 2010 toyline characters]]

Talk:Circuit Breaker (G1)

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Skyshock Thunderblast:

Notice that her outfit seems to be different in pretty well every single frame?
:Erm...nanites. That's it. Yah. --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 07:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

== Copyright 2009 Marvel Comics ==

I don't know much about Copyright, but I don't understand why she would be a '''2009''' copyright of Marvel Comics (as stated in [[Classic Transformers Volume 5]]). They haven't used her since '91. Or whenever Secret Wars II was, depending how you look at it. But 2009? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:45, 7 January 2010 (EST)
: Also, I think Circuit Breaker is owned by Marvel, but Josie Beller isn't. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:26, 7 January 2010 (EST)
::I could be wrong, but I believe Marvel put out a Secret Wars II Omnibus in 2009, and while that doesn't solve the question of them owning Josie versus CB, but it was my understanding that reprinting those issues somehow renewed their copyright? I'm probably misunderstanding all that. But I know they put out the Omnibus in 2009. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 02:46, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

User talk:M Sipher

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Skyshock Thunderblast:

AMBIGUITY IS THE FLAVOR OR LIFE!

YOU WOULD ROB US OF OUR MYSTERIES!

Dumping everything written was not required, unless Wikipedia automatically saves what I have written somewhere.

==Autobot Officer==

Uh. Oopsies? Didn't know you were getting pics, too. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 21:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Americanised spelling ==
Hi there, PacifistPrime the originator of the [[Scale]] article here. Thanks for cleaning up some of the typos. However, is it really neccessary to "correct" all my spelling by changing it to Americanised spelling? Is there actually a rule here that one has to use American spelling instead of, well... to be frank: the way the rest of world's users of the English Language spell? No offence intended, just asking. Let me know. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:I would think "yes", since this is an Amerocentric wiki and consistency looks professional. I don't realistically believe we'll ever achieve that because there are too many people from too many regions contributing, and further there are a lot of variations in how people type regardless of what area they're from. I can't stand putting two spaces between sentences, but I wouldn't be offended if someone changed a page I worked on to use them. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:41, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

==What edit are you talking about?==
If you're talking about my submission about Blackarachnia's telekinesis, it is NOT baseless speculation; she did use telekinesis in Master Blaster against Rampage, and although they never said where she got it, it is very likely that the psychic link she had with Tarantulas was upgraded during her Transmetalization. Watch the episode; you'll see Blackarachnia's eyes glow green, levitate an I-beam, and fling it at Rampage. The episode was right after Crossing the Rubicon (where Blackarachnia became a TM2), and 18 episodes after Tangled Web, when Blackarachnia forced Tarantulas to terminate their mind link after four episodes (and in case you want to contest it, Other Visits made a mention of the mind link, and how it worked both ways, meaning that BA had some remnants of the link, at the very least some of Tarantulas' memories, if not some other side effects).[[User:66.233.183.59|66.233.183.59]] 15:40, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not Sipher, but I agree that it's speculation that doesn't belong here. Her glowing eyes echo the glowing tendrils involved in Cheetor's TM2-ification. It's a Transmetal 2 thing, and I see nothing whatsoever to connect it with the former mental link she shared with Tarantulas. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:21, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Beast Wars Video Game ==

Hey Siph- I finally picked up a copy of the BW Game off e-bay (the original snap I made was from the demo.)

I'm nto very far into it (finding time this summer is tough) but thus far there's been no mention of the Skriix. Were they named in the game booklet or something? ('cuz i lack the booklet.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
: I'm trying to remember WHERE they were named. It might have been promotional materials. It's not in the booklet, I know that... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I theeeeeenk it might've been in one of the pre-mission "briefings" that came up before you started each level. Level... three, I want to say? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, then I just haven't played it enough to get that info. Thanks!
:::Was there anything of value at all in the booklet that I'm missing out on? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:13, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

ok, but what about those pages that are wanted?

you can't say a whole lot about say the third episode of Five Faces of Darkness can you?

other than that, what do you think of my wording?

and btw, theres a weird random page about weather in london but wasn't deleted, joke I'm not aware of maybe?
--[[User:DracoJesi|DracoJesi]] 18:42, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload issues==
Are you having any problems with image uploads? For some reason the wiki isn't uploading my images onto the server. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:28, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

==Twirl toy image==
Can you upload a photo of her robot and vehicle modes? Preferably against a 'neutral' background to fit with the rest of the toy pics. She is too awesome to go without toy photos, methinks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:24, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

==Megatron's Brazilian Voice Actor==
Howdy ho! Hey, you said that the information about Megatron's voice actor in the film was on the wrong place when i put it on his page.
Where would be the right place?
I was thinking that maybe if i mentioned that José Santacruz plays a REALLY monstrous Megs, much similar to the one Hugo Weaving did, maybe it could go where i originally intended?
Thanks for the time.--[[User:akumateukuma|akumateukuma]] 11:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

==Rartorata==
I don't really appreciate the "fuck you" in your edit summary, Siph. After the last round of discussion in October I thought -- due to lack of voiced disagreement -- that the names were going to be toned down to just ones that sound at least slightly like his real name, which personally I consider quite important. I reverted an anonymous change to the article which went against that "rule", and now you're cursing me out. That is quite uncool. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:21, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Create-A-Bot's Alt-modes==

I'm currently reworking the format and putting it in a more relevant form. It's not that it isn't important, but that the method in which it was added was inappropriate. I believe the original version went something like this.

"Just like his heroic counterpart, Create-A-Bot can adapt into numerous forms that can change his status, but several of his forms cannot be accessed in the game, but can be obtained by WiFi points by visiting the official Activition website. The altmodes are..."

and then listed them in a long and hard to read cluster. This not only is confusing, but also give the impression that ALL of the alt-modes have to be unlocked. So, instead of having a list, I am going to add an easier to read section in each article.

- ''Update'': The sections have been finished and added. Sorry about before, I guess I just forgot to leave a message on the Discussion page about it. -- [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Prowl Redirect ==

The wiki's lack of warning strikes again. I have made certain to preview every edit I do, looking for a warning that I'm editing an outdated version of the page. While I was making that edit, you redirected the page. When I previewed my edit, it gave no warning that anything had changed, so I submitted it—which undid the move. At least the new redirect included my clean-up...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Robot Heroes ==

There are clear packaging pics of all that are on TFW2005 (I think, I went from Seibertron.com). Not sure where from, but it isn't like they've been secretly leaked to me.

[[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

: So... stolen. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Here's some links, right here

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=161976

http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=8828&dispsize=800&start=0

http://seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12219

Anyone and their mother can see them. I see nowhere that they've been stolen and find it hard to believe Hasbro wouldn't have seen the pics after a day or two, considering Stealth Bumblebee. We've seen Cheetor, Rattrap, and Megatron before anyway. I'm leaving them there. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:39, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:We've seen them because they were ''stooooooooooooooolen''. They have ''noooot'' been officially announced by Hasbro or any official sales solicitations anywhere. Therefore, they are not to be put on this wiki until they are. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

We saw the prototypes (Not Blackarachnia) months ago. They've been on this Wiki with the exception of Blackarachnia for months. If I absolutly cannot add her and the confirmed lineups, I will change it back to the way it was before. The protos have been and still are available for the rest and have been for months. I think, THINK they were from Botcon, but I'm unsure. Comic-Con? [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 02:46, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, several were shown at Botcon 2007; maybe at Comic-Con too, I dunno. But for the ones that weren't, our own policy (specifically [[Help:Coming_soon]] ) means we need to leave them alone until there's something official. Without a hard and fast policy, there's no fair way to declare what should and shouldn't be here when gray areas arise. Besides which, we're not trying to be a news site. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:54, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Is that a good compromise? There is no info there that seems unacceptable to me. I apologize for getting off on the wrong foot. The article on Smash Bros. Brawl on Wikipedia has made me defensive. [[User:Ragingtsunami726|Ragingtsunami726]] 03:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==You don't get to annoy and rule-break your way back to good graces.==
Unless you're me, that is. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

==Weird bootleg minicons==
Are you still looking for the various KO minicons? A store by me has the purple/yellow Star Saber team, the constructicon-esque Military team, and the weird combining remolds, if you're still interested. Also, they have inexplicably huge amounts of WCW Nitro cologne. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

==Anchors==
Have you noticed that each anchor line inserts a new blank line into the page formatting? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:02, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:I see four choices: 1) accept the extra blank formatting line, 2) put the anchors at the end of the last line of the preceding section, 3) dirty up the code by replacing the blank formatting lines with the anchor template lines, or 4) put the anchor code at the end of the "title" section it anchors to, which may result in the page link manifesting with its section title scrolled off the screen. For OP G1, for the purposes of getting my Stormbringer trivia edit in, I'm going with 2, for now. I'll fix it when we've got a decision. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:15, 14 February 2008 (EST)

== Telemocha episodes ==

Let's see,
:TM-01 Primal: 02
:TM-02 Megatron: 04
:TM-03 Cheetor: 05
:TM-04 Waspinator: 06
:TM-05 Dinobot: 09
:TM-06 Blackarachnia: 10
:TM-07 Corada: 11
:TM-08 Arcadis: 20
:TM-09 Rhinox: 03
:TM-10 Wolfang: 08
:TM-11 Tigatron: 07
:TM-12 Gimlet: 12
:TM-13 Motorarm: 21
:TM-SP Primal: 01 & 15
:TM-SP Megatron: 13 & 14

So far, that's episodes 1-15, 20, and 21 --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

== New Mini-Con ==

Just a heads-up: If you haven't heard yet, there's another Mini-Con/Micron store exclusive due from Japan. Starting March 13, the first 10 customers to buy J-release TF Classics toys at any Toys "R" Us get a free Skyglide, a red recolor of Steelwind from the Clear Skies Team, probably meant to homage Powerglide. (This is from ''Figure King'' #121, according to Autobase Aichi. I don't think there are any images in the article.) I'm not sure where this info should be put into the wiki. There doesn't seem to be enough info to set up an article of its own yet. A "coming soon" notice on the main Mini-Con page until we know more, maybe?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:06, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

== Mech Version ==

I tried a Google search and didn't find anything right off. I DID find Yahoo Japan auction listings which listed it in kana as メッキ, which is definitely "chromed" and not "mech". Point me to the site, please?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:14, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
: That's the kana on TakaraTomy's page for the set http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/other/index.html ... but isn't that kana "Meh-(shorten next)-ki"? "Mech"? Wouldn't "chromed" be an entirely different set of kana? The ones used for "Chromebite"? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
::No. Check it out by copy-pasting the katakana into the translation box at Jim Breen's. While クローム isn't unknown in Japan (Heck, it's what they call Stylor), the general term for chrome-plated parts is メッキ. (Technically, it's 鍍金 or 滅金, but perhaps because those can also be pronounced "tokin" and mean "pretense", it's usually rendered in katakana.) I first figured that by seeing it used in instructions for snap-together model kits which included such pieces. "Mech" is usually rendered メカ, as in short for "mechanism".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:18, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

== Heroes of Cybertron Cat? ==

Hey, are you going to populate a Heroes of Cybertron category? Dirge currently is all alone there, and I was about to delete the cat from his page to help clean up the Wanted Cats page. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:44, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: Why the fuck would you delete it? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:52, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:: First of all, I'm here to discuss the matter ''before'' I do anything rash, so I don't think I deserve the swearing. Chill.
:: Second of all, I considered deleting the link to the cat because the cat doesn't exist, and there's no demonstrable desire for it to exist, as shown by the fact that there's only one article in it.
:: But, third, if you were intending to fill out the category, so that it reaches the minimum number of entries we require to justify a category, I fully support you in that. I'm just asking if that's your plan, or if you expect other people to take care of it. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:24, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==this may sound awkward...==
r u a guy or a girl? if it says anywhere on ur talk page, i just kinda skimmed thru it.i always assumed u were a girl, but decided not 2 call u 1. if u know what happened last time [[User:Inferno'sQueen|someone's]] gender was mistaken. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 20:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
: Yes, he is a girl. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::You can tell by Sipher's pink armor plating.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:If he's a girl, then he's in serious need of [[Greg Sepelak|electrolysis]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== "lay odds?" ==

what odds? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
:y'know, ya still haven't answered the question..[[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 15:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
::And yet by pestering him, ''you'' have.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:25, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
:::huh? [[User:ShinkisRule|ShinkisRule]] 19:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

== Soundwave edits by 143.239.7.2 ==

Okay, the whole Gurren Lagan/gattai history business is drawing parallels that are either speculative or outside the intended scope of the wiki. (A note might be made somewhere of Soundwave's combining method, though. Is it unique within TF lore?) However, why excise the directly TF-related material—i.e., noting the homages to the original Soundwave?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think that's the section Sipher removed due to (as I believe he put it) being "blatantly obvious."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:21, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

==Scourge Edit==

That's the second time that my trivia post for RiD Scourge was deleted. It's a valid point, and I dunno why you guys are refusing to allow it, especially since there seems to be no qualms on here with making tranny jokes about Override or Airazor. Kind of hypocritical, ne?
[[User:64.13.101.210|64.13.101.210]] 23:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: No, not at all. Because Airazor and Override did legitimately, officially change genders in translation. Scourge... drumroll... ''has always been male, and has never ever ever been officially hinted as having the remotest female whatever ever''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== Yeah, I'm spamming ==

Canvassing a few talkpages here so we can get folks to weigh in and finalize the potential Wiki image policy. Your input would be appreciated at [[Transformers Wiki talk:Images]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== blocking help ==

Lets just say a acount has been blocked, and I cant even edit my talk page. Could you
tell me whats up. [[User:F1 fan|F1 fan]] 04:29, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

== Please Provide More Details ==
...as to why you removed the army building reference in the Starscream clone article. A simple rephrasing could have eliminated any problems you have with the word "Clearly". I dont mean to seem bitchy/pushy, but I really think that it was a good contribution to the article. [[Talk:Starscream clone (Animated)]] --[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 04:30, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

==Ironhide==
I read your thing about Botcon, very interesting. But the chances that Ironhide's southern accent doesn't originate from Cullen's are very low indeed. If you listen to the two voices, Ironhide's voice in Animated has a slightly different style. The most likely explanation is that the idea of the accent was taken from Cullen's 'Hide, while the sound of the accent was modelled on the other guys. And both should be noted in page. Something like "The idea of a southern accent is most likely based on G1 Ironhide, however the particular variant/vernacular(whatever) is based on such and such". [[User:GWolfv2]] 19.20 May 31st
: No. I'm goddamn sick of over-reaching desperate "THIS MUST BE GEEWUN REFERENCE". Especially when we're talking about an analogue to a G1 character... at BEST, it's "no shit, Sherlock" (you mean a guy based on G1 Ironhide has slightly-G1-Ironhide-like traits?! NOOO!), at worst, it's a desperate grab for a non-reference. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:50, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
::Ugh...well, I said my piece...nice to know you're keeping your head and not getting worked up over nothing btw [[User:GWolfv2]] 22.01 May 31st
:::Nice to know you're supporting the spread of idiotic misinformation. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:09, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Hey ==

As the only staff member online at the moment as far as I know, can you make a decision about the latest Animated episode's title? We have two separate groups of editors working on two different articles for this episode. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:31, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Original photo watermark ==

Hey, I'm working on finishing cleaning up the Magmatron photos I took before the crash. Do you still have that TFWiki watermark template handy?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 21 March 2009 (EDT)

== Thanks ==

for fixing up the Stormbringer description I did. I think my original edit summary was lost, but I had basically only done that because I thought it was important in explaining why Optimus got over feeling unworthy - and you summed it up a lot better than I ever could.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:38, 16 May 2009 (EDT)

==Yo==
[[Image_talk:Alt-toy_AiKuruma.jpg]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Vandalism warning ==

Guess who's back. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:42, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Awesome job, man. ==
{{gigantionaward}}
Really love the style you're doing the Micromaster Combiner toy photos in. Nicely done.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:22, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
: I concur. I think you deserve one of those prizes for services to the wiki. Excellent, excellent work. Keep it up! 08:10, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, I proposed the TFWiki Funbux as our official monetary reward. I too concur on a great you did. I especially like how you indication which half is which character in the combined vehicle pics. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:35, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::I actually made what amounts to a TFWiki "barnstar" once. And yep, Siph deserves it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 09:13, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Showdown translations==
Hey, Sipher. Just to save you time and a headache, I already translated the Showdown names, they're at [[Japanese ID number list#Beast Wars]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:01, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

== Linkage ==

I just wanted to thank you for going in and adding the megadata (like pub data) to the Linkage articles... I was trying to figure out when it was published yesterday, and I had to go back to some of your original ''usenet'' posts to confirm it spanned 2003 and 2004. (I suspected it did... but you know... that's not the same as being sure.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:26, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

BTW, I'm curious as to why you have them as <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 3]]</nowiki>, <nowiki>[[Micron Legend 6]]</nowiki>, and such, because that makes me think we'll be directing to the DVDs themselves... --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:33, 8 August 2009 (EDT)
:Because we ''will'' be, like I said when I reverted them? The individual DVDs totally should have their own articles. I think it's stupid to NOT have articles on the individual home releases of whatever. If we have articles on trade paperbacks, we should have articles on the home videos. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::Ah. My bad. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 05:33, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

== Hey, ==

Is "Image:PsychoOrb-toy.jpg" one of yours? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:46, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yes. I actually have a shadowless, watermarked version of that... and several others... that I just haven't gotten around to uploading. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:35, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

== IDW Dates ==

To answer your question... while the solicitations of course give an idea of what will come out at ''some'' point during a month, usually we only get one month's worth of specific dates around the end of the previous month/beginning of that month via Tipton's blog and IDW's newsletter.

...so I guess the short answer is "no, we don't have specific dates for December or January stuff yet". Although we should get November's dates soon. I guess we could put in question-marked placeholders based on the solicitations... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:27, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Returns airdates ==

[http://anime_list.at.infoseek.co.jp/list/2004/11.html The site] Jon T referred me to had all the listings and from what I could tell going by the months I know the show premiered in Japan, plus the consistency between the airdates, it all looks legit to me. So I scrolled through each month, matched up the Japanese titles with the ones on this site to make sure the Japanese and Western episode orders were the same, and here are all the original Japanese airdates for the series:

*The Reformatting 2004/11/ 6
*Master of the House 2004/11/ 7
*Fires of the Past 2004/11/13
*Mercenary Pursuits 2004/11/14
*Forbidden Fruit 2004/11/20
*The Weak Component 2004/11/21
*Revelations Part I: Discovery 2004/11/27
*Revelations Part II: Descent 2004/11/28
*Revelations Part III: Apocalypse 2004/12/ 4
*Survivor 2004/12/ 5
*The Key 2004/12/11
*The Catalyst 2004/12/12
*End of the Line 2004/12/18
*Fallout 2004/12/19
*Savage Noble 2004/12/25
*Prometheus Unbound 2004/12/26
*In Darkest Knight 2005/ 1/ 1
*A Wolf in the Fold 2005/ 1/ 2
*Home Soil 2005/ 1/ 8
*Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike 2005/ 1/ 9
*Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search 2005/ 1/15
*Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege 2005/ 1/16
*Spark of Darkness 2005/ 1/22
*Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral 2005/ 1/23
*Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall 2005/ 1/29
*Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future 2005/ 1/30

Have at them. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 09:19, 19 December 2009 (EST)

==Kiss Purge==
Good show on the Kiss Player == HORRIBLE purge. Some people (read: most people) don't seem to understand restraint.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:54, 2 March 2010 (EST)

==FemTF article==
Ehrm, sorry if I am being pushy, but some time ago you said you wanted to take a look at what you could improve on [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|my draft XXL]] for a new femTF page. I'll have finished up education duties in about a week and would like to continue and finally be done with the damn thing, so if it's possible you can take a look at it by then/around that time, I'd be really grateful. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:41, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

== Pst ==

There's a link to "Mass delete" at the bottom of the list of [[Special:Specialpages]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Edits ==

So overall, I saw several minor adjustments to the pages I made today, and I've noted them for any pages I make in the future. I didn't see any major revisions, though. Are the pages I did mostly okay, as long as I keep an eye out for the things you had to come behind me and fix? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 9 July 2010 (EDT)

Rumble (disambiguation)

2010-07-09T22:06:17Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

The name '''Rumble''' has been assigned to several different characters:

*'''1984''' — [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], the evil [[Decepticon]] [[Mini-Cassette]] from [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*'''2009''' — [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]], the noble Decepticon Mini-Cassette from the "[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" alternate universe.
*'''2010''' — [[Rumble (ROTF)|Rumble]], the Decepticon rhinoceros from the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' portion of the [[Live-action film series]]
*'''2010''' — [[Rumble (Prime)|Rumble]], the evil [[Decepticon]] [[Mini-Cassette]] from [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]].

Rumble should not be confused with:

*'''1991''' — [[Rumbler (G1)|Rumbler]], the heroic [[Autobot]] [[Action Master]] from Generation 1.
*'''2008''' — [[Rumbler (SG)|Rumbler]], the heroic Decepticon [[drone]] from Shattered Glass.

{{disambig}}

Laserbeak (disambiguation)

2010-07-09T22:04:47Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

The name '''Laserbeak''' / '''Lazorbeak''' has been used for several different Transformers characters.

{{disamb|y=1984|[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] the [[Decepticon]] cassette/condor from [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]].}}

{{disamb|y=1996|[[Lazorbeak]] the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] pteranodon from ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''.}}

{{disamb|y=2002|[[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] the [[Autobot]] bird/camcorder/gun from ''[[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' in the [[Unicron Trilogy]].}}

{{disamb|y=2005|[[Laserbeak (Cybertron)|Laserbeak]] the [[Planet X (Cybertron)|Planet X]] bird-drone and partner to [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]] from ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' in the Unicron Trilogy.}}

{{disamb|y=2005|[[Laserbeak drone]]s the mass-produced Planet X bird-drones from ''Cybertron''.}}

{{disamb|y=2008|[[Laserbeak (Animated)|Laserbeak]] the guitar of [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]] from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.}}

{{disamb|y=2008|[[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] the heroic Decepticon cassette/condor from the ''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' continuity.}}

*'''2010''' — [[Laserbeak (Prime)|Laserbeak]], the laser blasting Decepticon from ''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)| Prime]]''.

{{disambig}}

Rumble (WFC)

2010-07-09T22:00:23Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Rumble}}
:''Rumble is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Transformers: Prime]] [[continuity family]].''
{{mainpic}}
As a loyal Mini-Con warrior under [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]]'s command, Rumble loves using his quake-producing armament to shake up the opposition. Though he is most often found by the side (or rather, ''inside'') of his powerful commander, Rumble can be a surprisingly effective warrior on his own, throwing even warriors like [[Sideswipe(Prime)|Sideswipe]] and [[Optimus_Prime_(Prime)#War_for_Cybertron_video_game|Optimus Prime]] for a tumble!

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The History of the War for Cybertron''===
{{spoiler|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|July 22}}
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

==Video games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor:'' ([[Keith Silverstein]]) (English)

{{spoiler|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|July 23}}

Following the defeat of [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], the Autobot commander was transferred to [[Kaon]] where he was guarded by Soundwave, Rumble, [[Frenzy (Prime)|Frenzy]], and [[Laserbeak (Prime)|Laserbeak]]. An attempt was made by Optimus and his team to free their leader, and Rumble rather gleefully attacked the Autobots, shaking the entire cell and its occupants. Unfortunately, this was not enough, as Soundwave and his minions were soon overwhelmed and had to retreat.{{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}
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[[Category:Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category: Prime characters]]

Laserbeak (WFC)

2010-07-09T22:00:05Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Laserbeak}}
:''Laserbeak is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Transformers: Prime]] [[continuity family]].''
{{mainpic}}
Of the warriors who stand with [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]], Laserbeak may say the least, but he quickly distinguishes himself, as his powerful laser attacks can pin down an Autobot attack force... when it isn't cutting them to shreds.

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The History of the War for Cybertron''===
{{spoiler|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|July 22}}
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

==Video games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor:'' ([[Keith Silverstein]]) (English)

{{spoiler|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|July 23}}

When [[Optimus_Prime_(Prime)#War_for_Cybertron_video_game|Optimus]] and his team attempted a prison break to free [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], Laserbeak was Soundwave's last line of defense, ejecting from Soundwave and screeching across the prison chamber at high speeds, blasting (''what else?'') laser bursts onto the fighters below. He was eventually downed, however, and accompanied Soundwave in a hasty retreat.{{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}
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[[Category:Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category: Prime characters]]

Laserbeak (WFC)

2010-07-09T21:58:06Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: New page: {{faction|decepticon}} {{disambig3|Laserbeak}} :''Laserbeak is a Decepticon from the Transformers: Prime continuity family.'' Of the warriors w...

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Laserbeak}}
:''Laserbeak is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Transformers: Prime]] [[continuity family]].''

Of the warriors who stand with [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]], Laserbeak may say the least, but he quickly distinguishes himself, as his powerful laser attacks can pin down an Autobot attack force... when it isn't cutting them to shreds.

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The History of the War for Cybertron''===
{{spoiler|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|July 22}}
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

==Video games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor:'' ([[Keith Silverstein]]) (English)

{{spoiler|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|July 23}}

When [[Optimus_Prime_(Prime)#War_for_Cybertron_video_game|Optimus]] and his team attempted a prison break to free [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], Laserbeak was Soundwave's last line of defense, ejecting from Soundwave and screeching across the prison chamber at high speeds, blasting (''what else?'') laser bursts onto the fighters below. He was eventually downed, however, and accompanied Soundwave in a hasty retreat.{{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}
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[[Category:Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category: Prime characters]]

Rumble (WFC)

2010-07-09T21:51:42Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: New page: {{faction|decepticon}} {{disambig3|Rumble}} :''Rumble is a Decepticon from the Transformers: Prime continuity family.'' As a loyal Mini-Con war...

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:''Rumble is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Transformers: Prime]] [[continuity family]].''

As a loyal Mini-Con warrior under [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]]'s command, Rumble loves using his quake-producing armament to shake up the opposition. Though he is most often found by the side (or rather, ''inside'') of his powerful commander, Rumble can be a surprisingly effective warrior on his own, throwing even warriors like [[Sideswipe(Prime)|Sideswipe]] and [[Optimus_Prime_(Prime)#War_for_Cybertron_video_game|Optimus Prime]] for a tumble!

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The History of the War for Cybertron''===
{{spoiler|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|July 22}}
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

==Video games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor:'' ([[Keith Silverstein]]) (English)

{{spoiler|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|July 23}}

Following the defeat of [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], the Autobot commander was transferred to [[Kaon]] where he was guarded by Soundwave, Rumble, [[Frenzy (Prime)|Frenzy]], and [[Laserbeak (Prime)|Laserbeak]]. An attempt was made by Optimus and his team to free their leader, and Rumble rather gleefully attacked the Autobots, shaking the entire cell and its occupants. Unfortunately, this was not enough, as Soundwave and his minions were soon overwhelmed and had to retreat.{{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}
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Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-07-09T21:38:32Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

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[[Image: War_for_Cybertron_Next_Gen_Version_Cover_Art.jpg‎ |250px|thumb|right| "Hey.. What is Starscream doing there? Where's Megatron?"]]

'''Transformers: War for Cybertron''' is series of video games published by [[Activision Blizzard|Activision]] and developed by [[High Moon Studios]], [[Next Level Games]] and [[Vicarious Visions]], set before the Transformers take their war to [[Earth]]. [[Hasbro]] intends it to act as a foundation for ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' franchise storylines for years to come, and so they've been giving a lot of input and stressing character development.<ref name="tfw2005">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/tfw2005-war-for-cybertron-interview-with-aaron-archer-and-matt-tieger-168910/ War for Cybertron interview with Aaron Archer and Matt Tieger @ TFW2005.com]</ref> The book ''[[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron]]'' serves as a storyline lead-in to the events of the game.

==Versions==
* [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Xbox 360/PS3/PC]]
:The standard version of the game, and the one most publicized, was made available for two out of three of the main consoles and the PC with few changes between each.

* [[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures|Nintendo Wii]]
:The Wii version, titled ''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures'', was handled by [[Next Level Games]], and was developed as an on-rails shooter with some driving sections.

* [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)|Nintendo DS]]
:The DS version, developed by [[Vicarious Visions]], was released in Autobot and Decepticon incarnations, with numerous exclusive characters in each.

==Featured Characters==
{{featuredcharacters
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*[[Optimus_Prime_(Prime)#War_for_Cybertron_video_game|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/optimus Official Website profile]) ([http://gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/12/11/transformers-war-for-cybertron-character-profile-optimus-prime.aspx GameInformer profile])
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] ([[Johnny Yong Bosch]]) <ref>[http://twitter.com/johnnyyongbosch/status/11686292590 Twitter post by Johnny Yong Bosch confirming his role as Bumblebee.]</ref> ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/bumblebee Official Website profile])
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] ([[Fred Tatasciore]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/ratchet Official Website profile])
*[[Ironhide (Prime)|Ironhide]] ([[Keith Szarabajka]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/ironhide Official Website profile])
*[[Sideswipe (Prime)|Sideswipe]] ([[Travis Willingham]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/sideswipe Official Website profile])
*[[Jetfire (Prime)|Jetfire]] ([[Troy Baker]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/jetfire Official Website profile])
*[[Silverbolt (Prime)|Silverbolt]] ([[Patrick Seitz]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/silverbolt Official Website profile])
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] ([[Kari Wahlgren]])
*[[Air Raid (Prime)|Air Raid]] ([[Liam O'Brien]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/airraid Official Website profile])
*[[Warpath (Prime)|Warpath]] ([[Jamieson Price]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/autobots/warpath Official Website profile])
*[[Jazz (Prime)|Jazz]] ([[Scott Whyte]]) (Best Buy preorder Multiplayer exclusive <ref>[http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;?id=pcat17071&type=page&st=Transformers+War+for+Cybertron&sc=Global&nrp=15&usc=All+Categories Bestbuy.com preorder page featuring a special Jazz trailer]</ref>, Amazon.co.uk preorder exclusive <ref>[http://www.amazon.co.uk/Transformers-War-Cybertron-Xbox-360/dp/B003QCKEXW Amazon.co.uk page with Jazz] </ref> on consoles and unlockable on DS)
*[[Scattershot (Prime)|Scattershot]] (Upcoming DLC)<ref name="WFC DLC listing">[http://www.kotaku.com.au/2010/07/first-transformers-war-for-cybertron-dlc-contains-all-three-preorder-characters/ First Transformers: War For Cybertron DLC Contains All Three Preorder Characters, Kotaku.com, July 3 2010]</ref>
*[[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] (DS only)
*[[Ultra Magnus (Prime)|Ultra Magnus]] (Jamieson Price) (DS only)
*[[Grimlock (Prime)|Grimlock]] ([[Crispin Freeman]]) (DS only)
*[[Swoop (Prime)|Swoop]] ([[Eric Artell]]) (DS only)
*[[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]] (Travis Willingham)(DS only)
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*[[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] (Fred Tatasciore) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/megatron Official Website profile]) ([http://gameinformer.com/games/transformers_war_for_cybertron/b/xbox360/archive/2009/12/18/transformers-war-for-cybertron-character-profile-megatron.aspx GameInformer profile])
*[[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] ([[Sam Riegel]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/starscream Official Website profile]) ([http://gameinformer.com/games/transformers_war_for_cybertron/b/xbox360/archive/2009/12/23/transformers-war-for-cybertron-character-profile-starscream.aspx GameInformer profile])
*[[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] ([[Isaac C. Singleton Jr.]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/soundwave Official Website profile])
*[[Thundercracker (Prime)|Thundercracker]] ([[Graham McTavish]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/thundercracker Official Website profile])
*[[Skywarp (Prime)|Skywarp]] ([[Richard Epcar]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/skywarp Official Website profile])
*[[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] (Crispin Freeman) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/breakdown Official Website profile])
*[[Brawl (Prime)|Brawl]] ([[Nolan North]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/brawl Official Website profile])
*[[Barricade (Prime)|Barricade]] ([[Steve Blum]]) ([http://www.transformersgame.com/game#/game/characters/decepticons/barricade Official Website profile])
*[[Slipstream (Prime)|Slipstream]] ([[Jessica Straus]])
*[[Shockwave (Prime)|Shockwave]] (Steve Blum)  (Gamestop preorder Multiplayer exclusive)
*[[Demolishor (Prime)|Demolishor]] (Amazon.com preorder Multiplayer exclusive <ref>[http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-War-Cybertron-Playstation-3/dp/B0030HM2WO Amazon.com preorder page featuring a special Demolishor trailer]</ref>, Play.com exclusive in UK)
*[[Onslaught (Prime)|Onslaught]] ([[Brad Davidorf]]) (Upcoming DLC for consoles<ref name="WFC DLC listing"/> and unlockable in DS)
*[[Cyclonus (Prime)|Cyclonus]] ([[Liam O'Brien]]) (DS only)
*[[Motormaster (Prime)|Motormaster]] (Fred Tatasciore) (DS only)
*[[Drag Strip (Prime)|Drag Strip]] (Eric Artell) (DS only)
*[[Dirge (Prime)|Dirge]] (Brad Davidorf) (DS only)
*[[Ramjet (Prime)|Ramjet]] (Steve Blum) (DS only)<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/images/ramjet_2.jpg Image from Hasbro's June 22, 2010 news, on War for Cybertron]</ref>
*[[Dead End (Prime)|Dead End]] (Unknown)
|h3=Non-Player|c3=
'''Autobots'''
*[[Kup (Prime)|Kup]] (DS only)
*[[Sentinel Zeta Prime‎|Zeta Prime]] (Troy Baker)
*[[Omega Supreme (Prime)|Omega Supreme]] (Fred Tatasciore)
'''Decepticons'''
*[[Trypticon (Prime)|Trypticon]] (Fred Tatasciore)
*[[Rumble (Prime)|Rumble]] ([[Keith Silverstein]])
*[[Frenzy (Prime)|Frenzy]] ([[Keith Silverstein]])
*[[Laserbeak (Prime)|Laserbeak]]
'''Other'''
*[[Scout (WFC)|Scouts]]
*[[Sniper (WFC)|Snipers]]
*[[Soldier (WFC)|Soldiers]]
*[[Flier (WFC)|Fliers]]
*[[Cloaker (WFC)|Cloakers]]
*[[Brute (WFC)|Brutes]]
*[[Heavy Soldier (WFC)|Heavy Soldiers]]
*[[Destroyer (WFC)|Destroyers]]
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Transformer references==
* [[Steve Blum]] does his best [[Victor Caroli]] impression for his role of the narrator.
* A variety of callbacks to ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'':
** Ironhide greets the space slug with the [[Universal greeting]]. Warpath had no idea what it was.
** In the Kaon prison an Autobot is pronounced guilty and pushed off a gantry into a pit. He responds with "Spare me this mockery of justice!", the same quote from when the Quintessons sentenced Kranix the Lithone to Sharkticons.
** Rumble repeats another line from the movie: ""First we crack the shell, then we crack the nuts inside!"
** When Starscream declares himself as Decepticon leader, Megatron retorts that "[he] still function[s]."
* The [[Punch of Kill Everything]] is a multiplayer Leader Class ability and a Soldier class upgrade.
* When Skywarp calls Thundercracker ugly he replies [[Seeker (body-type)|that they look the same]]. [[The Twins|Hmmm.]]
* [[Stan Bush]]'s [[BotCon 2007]] theme song, "[[Till All Are One (Transformers Theme)]]" is used in the credits, and the special thanks describe the families that were involved "rock like Stan Bush".
* Air Raid pokes fun at Silverbolt's fear of heights.
* The in-game menu for stat tracking and leaderboards is called [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan 1]].
* When Ironhide asks Optimus how he knows Megatron, Optimus replies that it is a story for another time.
*Pretty much all the Achievement/Trophy names are references to other parts of Transformers history, mostly G1.
** The ones for completing the campaign chapters include [[Dark Awakening]], [[Starscream's Brigade]], [[A Prime Problem]], [[The Last Prime]], [[The Touch|You Got The Touch]], [[The War Within]], and [['Til all are one|Till All Are One]].
** Gameplay names include [[Thief in the Night]], [[Fire in the Sky]], [[Unicron|Chaos Bringer]], [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster!]], [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator!]], [[Bruticus (G1)|Brute-a-kiss!]], [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]], [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide Performer]], [[Rumble (G1)|First we crack the shell...]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blast-a-rachnia]] and [[Ramhorn]].
* Autobots and Decepticons alike are heard to swear by '[[Primus]]', confirming his 'existence'.
* Trypticon has a 'conversion cog' that controls his transformation, and is probably a less 'branded' term for G1's [[transformation cog]].
* The energon cubes bear strong resemblence to the [[Allspark]] cube.

==Toy tie-ins==
[[Hasbro]] has confirmed that several toys will be made to tie into the promotion of the video game. These include figures of Bumblebee, Optimus Prime, Megatron and Soundwave. At [[Toy Fair 2010]], they were confirmed to be part of the [[Generations (toyline)|''Generations'' toyline]]. At [[BotCon 2010]] they said they would like to make more, and that Starscream (and likely other Seekers) are at the top of the list if they decide to produce more figures from the game.

<center><gallery>
Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianOptimusPrime.jpg
Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianMegatron.jpg
Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianBumblebee.jpg
Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianSoundwave.jpg
</gallery></center>

==Fiction==
===Comic adaptation===
[[IDW Publishing]] is bringing out a comic based on the game. News of this first got leaked when [[Australia|Australian]] website JB Hi-Fi offered a ''free'' copy of issue 1 if you pre-ordered the game from them. <ref>[http://www.jbhifionline.com.au/game/ps3/transformers-war-for-cybertron-bonus-comic-book/513755 TRANSFORMERS: WAR FOR CYBERTRON (Bonus Comic Book)]</ref> Later, it was available for those that purchased either the PS3 or Xbox versions of the game at Sears or Kmart in America. The story is a partial adaptation of the ''Exodus'' book. <ref name="adaptation">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-1-information-and-team-revealed/18661/ Transformers: War For Cybertron #1 Information and Team Revealed]</ref>

The cover artist is revealed to be [[Marcelo Matere]], who updated his DeviantArt gallery with the inked version, <ref>[http://mmatere.deviantart.com/art/War-of-Cybertron-Cover-inks-165279485 Inks-only comic cover at Marcelo's DA gallery]</ref> with [[Priscilla Tramontano]] as colorist. <ref>[http://noprips.deviantart.com/art/War-of-Cybertron-Cover-165344432 Colored cover at Priscilla's DA gallery]</ref> [[Alex Irvine]] and [[Don Figueroa]] are writing and drawing, respectively. <ref name="adaptation" />

===Prose===
*'''[[Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron]]''' - This tie-in novel explores the relationship between Orion Pax and Megatron before the war.
*'''[[Bumblebee at Tyger Pax]]''' - A short story billed as the tale of Bumblebee losing his voice.

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:WfC-IGN-Bumblebee.jpg|Bumblebee fires his weapon.
Image:WfC-IGN-RatchetBumblebeePrime.jpg|Ratchet, Bumblebee, and Prime in battle.
Image:WfC-IGN-OmegaSupreme.jpg|Omega Supreme attacks a platoon of Decepticons.
Image:WfC-IGN-StarscreamMegatron.jpg|Starscream and Megatron get ready for the ground assault.
Image:WfC-IGN-StarscreamMegatronSoundwave.jpg|More Decepticons!
Image:WfC-IGN-Soundwave.jpg|Soundwave sneaks around.
Image:WfC-IGN-Trypticon.jpg|Oh Primus.
Image:War for Cybertron Shockwave.jpg|Resistance really does seem to be futile.
Image:DemolishorWar for Cyb.jpg|ARRHHH!
Image:Transformers_Cybertron_Adventures_Cover_Art.jpg|Prime will destroy the title. He hears what people want.
</gallery></center>

==Operation Transmission Recovery==

As an early marketing campaign, the game's website included the feature "Operation Transmission Recovery": using transmission and coordinate dials, you could pick up "transmissions" from Cybertron (or "video clips/images" to you and me).

There are two dials, blue (outer) and yellow (inner). Using your mouse, you can drag the dial to set coordinates. The blue dial is set by aligning it to marks on the outer circle. When aligned, it becomes a blue ring. After that, the yellow dial is set so that signal strength is full, as indicated by a meter on the right. Once a transmission is unlocked its symbol lights up and the "Total Recovered" amount increases a little bit. When you reach 100%, it tells you how many hours remain until next batch.

As of January 12, 2010, the following transmissions (Batch 9), almost all of which are part of the second trailer (link below), were available:

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5
| '''S. No.'''
| '''Blue'''
| '''Yellow'''
| '''Type'''
| '''Description'''
|-
| 1
| 351
| 327
| Video
| Game Trailer (unlocked by default).
|-
| 2
| 018
| 088
| Video
| Starscream flying.
|-
| 3
| 018
| 088
| Image
| Starscream standing.
|-
| 4
| 029
| 209
| Video
| Battle scene: Camera behind Autobots, Optimus is prominent.
|-
| 5
| 040
| 328
| Image
| Holographic map of Cybertron and its two moons.
|-
| 6
| 051
| 110
| Image
| Cybertron .
|-
| 7
| 073
| 190
| Image
| Optimus vs an average Decepticon.
|-
| 8
| 085
| 298
| Video
| Decepticon insignia (on Starscream).
|-
| 9
| 096
| 347
| Video
| A bomb explosion on Cybertron's surface (possibly the same one which made a huge hole in it).
|-
| 10
| 107
| 035
| Image
| Megatron crushes cranial unit of a poor Autobot, Starscream is visible behind him, just before the ground assault.
|-
| 11
| 120
| 040
| Image
| Cybertron as seen from a moon.
|-
| 12
| 140
| 201
| Image
| Starscream flying towards Cybertron .
|-
| 13
| 162
| 359
| Image
| A red robot (Ironhide?).
|-
| 14
| 173
| 003
| Image
| A hall (Council of Autobot Elders?).
|-
| 15
| 192
| 147
| Video
| Injured Autobot, trying to get up .
|-
| 16
| 203
| 094
| Video
| Battle scene: Trypticon joins the battle as a burning asteroid (Entry mode) behind Decepticons and Autobots run towards it.
|-
| 17
| 214
| 004
| Image
| A city seen from a tunnel .
|-
| 18
| 225
| 199
| Image
| A city tower falling and hitting another tower.
|-
| 19
| 265
| 011
| Image
| Optimus Prime.
|-
| 20
| 284
| 021
| Image
| Megatron firing his gun (at YOU).
|-
| 21
| 295
| 249
| Video
| Optimus uses his axe on a Decepticon.
|-
| 22
| 306
| 041
| Image
| Cybertron as seen from another moon.
|-
| 23
| 317
| 081
| Video
| City skyline, camera moving down, some music in the background (start of the second trailer).
|-
| 24
| 328
| 221
| Video
| Battle scene: A missile hits a battlestation and an Autobot falls down from it.
|}

However, when Activision began releasing more information on the game and the release date was closing in, this teaser feature was removed.

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.transformersgame.com/ Official site]
*[http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-debut-transformers-war/59860 Exclusive trailer via 'Game Trailers TV']
*[http://www.gametrailers.com/video/exclusive-gameplay-transformers-war/62343 Exclusive gameplay trailer via 'Game Trailers TV']
*[http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/54929/transformers-war-for-cybertron/videos/transformerscyber_trl_revealtrailer_10710.html;jsessionid=8yroitu115mw Second, fuller trailer from IGN]
*[http://gameinformer.com/mag/cybertron.aspx Behind the scenes bios and information from ''Game Informer'' magazine.]
*[http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gdc-10-transformers-war/62925 Civil War Story Interview at 'Game Trailers TV']
*[http://www.allspark.com/content/view/6450/20/ Press release]

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Breakdown (WFC)

2010-07-09T21:27:54Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: New page: {{faction|decepticon}} {{disambig3|Breakdown}} :''Breakdown is a Decepticon from the Transformers: Prime continuity family.'' Despite a level o...

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Breakdown}}
:''Breakdown is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Transformers: Prime]] [[continuity family]].''

Despite a level of skill to match any Decepticon warrior, '''Breakdown''' is almost crippled by a persistent paranoia, especially when he is in crowds. He is much happier working alone, away from the eyes he is sure are watching him at every moment. That said, he is quick to come at [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]]'s call, as his fear of his powerful leader may be the only thing outreaching his agoraphobic tendencies.

==Fiction==
===''Exodus: The History of the War for Cybertron''===
{{spoiler|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron|July 22}}
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Exodus: The Official History of the War for Cybertron}}

==Video games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Crispin Freeman]] (English)

{{spoiler|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|July 23}}

Breakdown and [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] assisted [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] in attacking [[Iacon (city-state)|Iacon]] and defeating [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]] to obtain the [[Omega Key]]. The Decepticons were rather surprised to learn, however, that the Key was just a method of summoning [[Omega Supreme (Prime)|Omega Supreme]].

Despite a subsequent announcement by [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] to the invading forces that Megatron had perished, the three Decepticon warriors managed to fight their way to the surface, taking over a battle terrace in time to use its resources to attack Omega.

Once the behemoth was downed, the three managed to infect him with [[Dark Energon]], eventually defeating him. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}
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User:Skyshock Thunderblast

2010-07-08T19:48:56Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: Replacing page with 'The link I need the most: Help:Editing'

The link I need the most: [[Help:Editing]]

Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)

2010-06-25T13:22:34Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Why are we linking to the G1 characters? I thought this was supposed to be something new. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)

:There's really no way of knowing for sure until we have more information about the storyline and characters. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:20, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::I really, really doubt they won't be Primax characters, new continuity or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::Agree that's that most likely the case. But I do sort of wonder if maybe this game is going to end up being some sort of prequel-y tie-in to the new cartoon/franchise that's coming. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:15, 11 December 2009 (EST)

== It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I mean, seriously different. Should we ask Hasbro?
:Well, not sure about asking Hasbro, we'll know soon enough one way or the other. But IMO, bad information is worse than no information. Assuming that these guys are G1 is just that - an assumption. We should tread lightly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:29, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::They use the G1 logo, Cybertron's from [[Alpha Centauri]], and the roster includes only G1 dudes. I'd say "assumption" isn't really strong enough of a word. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::I think we should wait for a confirmation that it's a G1 universe before making assumptions. The roster so far only includes G1 dudes. If we made that assumption, the movieverse would be part of G1 (early on only G1 based characters were announced. It could simply be like animated and it references things heavily. [[User:Eire]] 16.03 Dec 15 09 (OUTC)
:::The TFW2005 interview states it's "not connected to any particular generation" and that this will be the foundation for newer sub-franchises. That does indicate this isn't G1 but yet another continuity. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 16:31, 23 December 2009 (GMT)
::::It would certainly seem to. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 23 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Alrighty. Hopefully at some point we'll have a good parenthetical for this new continuity ... family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:46, 23 December 2009 (EST)
::::::How about "WFC"? [[User:ThiAthEhn]]
:::::::I agree. It has been stated in interviews that this is a new continuity and the character designs seem to be taking influence from a number of previous incarnations; mostly War Within, Transformers Animated and the live-action movies. It would be difficult to make the case that these are meant to be direct variations on the G1 characters. I second the idea of using "WFC" to classify them. [[User: Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 10:17, 19 January 2010 (GMT)
:::::: This IS a diffrent continuity- IGN Preview "Freed from the constraints of a movie license, the new Transformers game lives within its own universe." The TWF2005 preview and interview, multiple times in Game Informer's articles and alot in the Podcast on the same site. It's just heavily inspired by G1. I didn't want to change anything because I don't want to start an edit war over this. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 17:23, 16 January 2010 (EST)
::::::: Something can still be a new universe while being part of an existing [[continuity family]]. [[Henkei! Henkei!]] was a new universe that was still G1, as was [[Classics (2006)|Classics]] and the IDW stuff. What's important to the wiki is whether this will be a new continuity family, not just strictly a new universe. New universes happen all the time. New continuity families are much more rare. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 19 January 2010 (EST)
:::::::: The thing is, it is (and always has been) a bit of a subjective value judgement alot of the time. How much similarity to G1 do we need to make something definately G1? Or does it work the other way? How big a New Element (minicons, cyberkeys,) do we need to make it difinitively it's own ConFam? Authorial intent definately has to be part of it too. Anything that specifically calls itself G1 is obvious, and anything that seems to be trying to pick up the original G1 characters/situations themselves even if it's in new forms or directions, alla IDW (although even that can be tricky to judge, agaiin HOW MUCH change makes a break?)... When we have as little info as we do right now on WfC it's almost impossible to judge what it will become. Do we have an editorial policy (and if not should we?) saying "Something new that seems G1-ish IS, until we see differences enough to prove it's not," or vice-versa "anything new is to be considered it's own continuity until we've seen enough to feel if it's G1-continuity family?" A set plan either way might make these situations a bit less random in the future. Maybe?--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:48, 19 January 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::lostcount: I would be ''highly'' surprised if WFC turns out to represent a whole new continuity family. We've already accepted too many retellings and revisions of G1 as being part of G1 for this one to fairly be split out, unless it has something that is an inescapable telltale mark of a separate confam, i.e. they're fighting for the Movie Allspark. "Its prehistory is very slightly different" will not be good enough, as is shown by the comfortable confam coexistence of FFOD, War Within, and Stormbringer. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:01, 21 January 2010 (EST)
:[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=66275 And the Club Magazine's leading questions] imply that this is indeed G1. Maybe even a previous G1. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:04, 25 January 2010 (EST)
By what you just showed, it'll be a part of the G1 Continuity family (I still question that its anything more than "influenced by it" I mean what constitutes a G1 Confam..yes IDW and Dreamwave are under it, but is the same true for an animated series? I mean honestly, If that were true, then Transformers Animated would be a part of the G1 Confam, and its not.) but shouldn't it have its own section near the bottom at some point, (for game, toys, series, etc.) sense apparently (and this is news to me) your link seems to state its based on its own upcoming series.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]
EDIT: Sorry to be posting an additional edit: but I have a distinct feeling, and am going to risk being wrong to call it now: An upcoming comic-tie in to it that basically further stretches whether it should be its own Confam or not.--[[User:Chipmonk328|Chipmonk328]]

== The New trailer ==

should we make a summary of the trailer?--[[User:Defect|Defect]] 14:25, 12 January 2010 (EST)
: The link to the trailer is probably enough. A play-by-play would be a bit excessive. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:27, 12 January 2010 (EST)
:: Isn't the point of our wiki to be excessive? --[[User:ThiAthEhn]]
preety much.

== Logos ==

I'm guessing the answer is no, but have the developers released any images of the characters on a white background that we can use to make some logos for the Main Page? I know we're not sure who the characters ''are'' yet, but we can link them to the WFC page for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:34, 13 January 2010 (EST)
: No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:13, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::Of course, the current logo doesn't look too bad on the main page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:14, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::I think he means the center TFwiki one with the rotating characters. If we want to cut people out of screencaps with photoshop, we could probably add some WfC ones to the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:21, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::I cropped a WfC out of his concept art and inserted him into the rotation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:59, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Awesome! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:08, 13 January 2010 (EST)
::::::And a Megatron. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:10, 13 January 2010 (EST)

== Starscream? ==

Who says that '''black and grey''' seeker in the "Megatron and Starscream prepare for the ground assault" picture is Starscream? It's much more likely it's Skywarp.-[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 01:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
: He has blue and red, though. It's just overwhelmed by the lighting. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 24 January 2010 (EST)
::Plus, aside from the obvious color shadings (if you look), who are usually considered the three most popular Decepticons? Megatron, Soundwave and Starscream. It doesn't really make much sense for Skywarp to be along the line-up in Starscream's place. There IS another jet flying around the battle however. - [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 14:38, 10 February 2010
Alright, my bad :( --[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 18:54, 10 February 2010 (EST)

== Toys Confirmed, mention here? ==

So we've had the existance of WfC toys confirmed by non-leeky sources (Game Informer, Fun pub) now my question is do they rate a mention here on this page. Generally they'd ust be mentioned on the character pages but this is pretty much the first time ever a TF Video game has gotten its own toys. Worth a Trivia entry? Or it's own sub-section? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 11:52, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:We do need to start mentioning it as news becomes official, but it's not true that this is the only Transformers game that's had its own toys. Several of the designs from the both live-action film games had toys made of them, and a Decepticlone from the Armada video game got made into an Attactix figure. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 25 January 2010 (EST)
:: Can we count on you for the photos? --[[User: ThiAthEhn|ThiAthEhn]]
::: What? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:15, 27 January 2010 (EST)

We have official stock photos for two toys now, that aren't from the club. Not sure where we want to put them.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:00, 27 January 2010 (EST)
: It would help if we knew the name of the toyline they were being featured in. For now, put them on this page, I think, just because we're building this article as an attraction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:03, 27 January 2010 (EST)
::Done. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:08, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::Is it just me or do those look like movie-ized versions of the Animated designs? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:39, 27 January 2010 (EST)
:::: I'd say more "Classics-ized" versions of the Animated designs myself. Regardless yes it's pretty clear that the Animated, Movie, and Classics aesthetics all influenced their development, which makes sense, those being the last three main TF lines.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)

== Fresh trailer guys ==

http://kotaku.com/5480780/first-look-at-transformers-war-for-cybertron-gameplay-footage

Nothing spectacularly surprising, but looks quite awesome.

ThiAthEhn
: Yeah, uh, that's already in the article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:46, 26 February 2010 (EST)

Seriously? This one has actual gameplay, something I haven't seen in the other ones...
ThiAthEhn
: Third link in "external links" at the bottom, dude. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:08, 27 February 2010 (EST)

==Character Sources?==
I think it may be wise to put up the sources for each new character, or at least an image of them. Not all of us have the good fortune of reading Kotaku to know Grimlock is actually in the game. Just a suggestion, however. In a few months it won't matter anyway.[[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:39, 28 February 2010 (EST)
: For many characters, this isn't possible. For example, we know about the two Aerialbots from Toy Fair 2010, to which we we can't link because recording anything was forbidden. And an image of Grimlock is down in the gallery, so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:29, 28 February 2010 (EST)

==Release date==
Gamestop seems to think this game is coming out on June 22, not July 22 as this article states. They even guarantee its delivery on that date if you preorder! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:46, 2 March 2010 (EST)
sweetness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

== Motormaster ==

Here is a picture that maybe shows Motormaster in the Nintendo DS Version:
http://cache-10.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/02/500x_5231_02_0098_20100119-cli1.jpg

Also, on the tfw2005 board it has been statet that motormaster will be in the game.
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/293592-war-cybertron-kotaku-articles-ds-version-5.html
: I can take [[Marcelo Matere]]'s word on it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:01, 6 March 2010 (EST)

== Interview and more gameplay and footage ==

http://kotaku.com/5493784/building-the-ultimate-transformers-origin-story

Always possible that you've already seen it, but here it is, feel free to add.

-Aaron Archer

-It apparantly IS G1, not seperate.

-Scorponok (?) (!) boss battle?

-And much more...

ThiAthEhn

== No PSP option... ==

Has there been any word, in an interview or announcement, as to why no PSP version of the game has been announced (and may not be, for that matter)? --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 00:28, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== [edit] It does seem like a seperate continuity ==

I think its a "revised"
backstory on g1 before they crashed into Mt. St. Helens 4,000,000 years ago. [[User:LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN|LADIES MAN TOO-ONE-SEVEN]] 15:55, 21 March 2010 (EDT)

== Voice actor thing ==

I find it hard to believe that if a site was playing April Fools on people, they wouldn't own up to the fact to tell people they got sucked in bad. Also, they posted it before April Fools and have subsequently removed all traces of the offending "false" information from the article. Anybody remember the kerfuffle over the 2008 reveal of The Fallen's role in ROTF? Same thing happened - articles swiftly edited to remove information the Bay deemed unfit for publication at the time. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:43, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:The Activision folks also sent e-mails to Seibertron and TFormers, and Lonegamer says she actually spoke to an Activision rep on the phone on the Allspark's behalf.
:So... if it is a coverup, it's at least one that spreads beyond that one site. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:04, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::Also, the ROTF 2008 cover up - we documented that information on the wiki for posterity. I take it we're not going to do the same for this event? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:08, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
:::That felt like a cover-up. See, that was about denying that a movie called REVENGE OF THE FALLEN was about a character called THE FALLEN. This doesn't feel like a cover-up to me. It feels like some video game site got their information off Wikipedia again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:24, 2 April 2010 (EDT)
::::Except that it's a rather large, detailed, substantial article that started with "AusGamers was recently invited out to High Moon Studios in San Diego" and "Some familiar voices were being thrown about the demo [insert voice actor information]". Unless the entire article is based on falsehoods and assumptions, they went up to High Moon Studios. They saw the game in action. They talked to the people who made it. Not "We made this shit up by piecing it together from things we heard online, especially Wikipedia." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
:::::The whole article reeked of Did Not Do The Research. Cullen's name was misspelled, they referred to Chris Latta's real name and stage name as separate people... So yeah, I'm going to go with "idiots" over "cover-up". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:26, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
According to IMDB, Soundwave is played by [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071818/ Jeff Bennet]. Is this legit enough for this wiki? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:22, 3 June 2010 (EDT)
:Nuh-uh. IMDB is like Wiki where any user can edit the content, be it actual or junk. I rather wait till an official announcement from either Activision or High Moon themselves. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:54, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

== New Characters' pages? ==
VM: Would I ask why nearly all characters except Demolishor are linked to their G1 incarnation? Why not make a new one WfC?
: We're not exactly sure how WFC/Prime is going to play out continuity family-wise. Until then, it's safest to link to their G1 versions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:00, 8 April 2010 (EDT)
::VM: I see, but I think personally they should have their own, but its only my opinion :)

VM: I still think new pages are needed, as for example Demolishor got one because he wasnt presented in G1, and it seems WFC isnt fully related to the G1. {{unsigned|89.235.30.9}}

:The main problem with doing that is that we aren't quite sure of their continuity yet, we don't want to make completely new pages and then find out "Oops, they're part of G1" and then have to merge their pages together. It's best just to leave the issue alone until we have more information.--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 16:29, 9 May 2010 (EDT)

VM: I think that now its closer to a new continuity. Jetfire was during the war a Decepticon, not a Autobot. He joined to the Autobots on the Earth, while here he joined, or always was, on Autobot's side. I am not suggesting it to make these pages now, just there is a small piece of info which is for a new continuity.{{unsigned|89.235.30.9}}
:I'm pretty sure Jetfire was an Autobot in the War Within series. Really, WFC is drawing inspiration from all parts of G1. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:31, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Yeah, details like that don't mean splitting the articles. Jetfire's origins differ even more wildly than that between the G1 cartoon (lost before the war, defrosted, defected), Marvel comics (Created on Earth by the Creation Matrix) and Dreamwave (An Autobot on Cybertron during the war). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
Most of them are clearly G1 characters so WfC info should go on their (G1) pages. Demolishor is clearly his UT character so his WfC info should go on his (Armada) page. No problem. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:13, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:I'm pretty sure Demolishor is just an homage and not the same character as the guy from Armada (unless dimension-hopping was involved). That's a bit like saying that Robots in Disguise and G1 Optimus Prime are the same. Robots in Disguise Prime evokes the original, but they're different people. Still, we'll just have to wait and see. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Not the cartoon continuity Demolishor or the Armada comic continuity Demolishor. Just the character Demolishor in the WfC continuity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:39, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::'''That Is Not How The Wiki Works.''' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:57, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Well sure, but Hasbro doesn't seem to be playing by the rules lately. It was just a suggestion. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:12, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Just because Hasbro's not playing by the rules doesn't mean we have to follow suit. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
Can we please just drop the issue for now like I suggested?--[[User:Roni134730|Roni134730]] 00:55, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

== Jazz? ==

The scout in the multiplayer traier looks alot like Jazz and when you hover over the pre-order button on thier website I am pretty sure its Jazz next to Shockwave

== Image Captions/Quotes ==

So for the 1986 Transformer movie, there were a bunch of quotes from Star Wars: A New Hope. Then for the 2007 movie, there were quotes from the 1986 movie. And for RotF, we did quotes from The Empire Strikes Back. I'm wondering if we should do quotes from the Halo series for the image captions for War for Cybertron. What do you think?

And in a somewhat related manner, I might have found what could possibly be the [http://i417.photobucket.com/albums/pp251/Darth_Shadow_91/warforcybertroncoverart.jpg boxart] for WfC. If we use it, I have a proposed quote.

''Men, keep your eyes downrange, fingers on the trigger, and we all come home in one piece. Am I right, Marines?''

Sgt. Avery Johnson, Halo: Combat Evolved

[[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 23:45, 29 April 2010 (EST)
:By that logic we could use Zelda or Mario quotes. Anyways, as always, unless there's some definite theme in the captions (Like Animated Wreck-Gar's page), no caption, or the caption is just a ''really'' bad joke, the captions are up to whoever adds the image.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 01:18, 30 April 2010 (EDT)
::Actually, couldn't we use Gears of War quotes? The two games run on extremley similar engines, have the same "gritty dark" feel, same gameplay mechanics, and I think a few Gears quotes could work well. Hate to kick a dead-ish topic, just an idea. [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 20:59, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
::I like the Halo quote idea! Ironhide's picture: "Figured I'd shoot my way out, mix things up a little." Omega Supreme's picture: "Relax, I'd rather not piss this thing off." Megatron: "I wondered who the Autobots would send to silence me. A Prime? I'm flattered." Bumblebee: "Little people first!"
::For Starscream joining the Decepticons, "What would you have your Arbiter do?" [[User:Darth Shadow 91|Darth Shadow 91]] 00:36, 06 June 2010 (EST)

== New characters ==

Over [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/video-games-17/war-for-cybertron---tfw2005-visits-high-moon-studios--gameplay-impressions-169615/ here], it looks like Arcee, Slipstream, and some others are in the mix. --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 12:54, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:Those were supposed to be still under ''embargo''... -_-; --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:10, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:: Yeah, TFW doesn't really ''give a shit'' about your stupid informational release dates. They're too busy being BEST AND FIRST. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:28, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::: There's definitely an Arcee-mould character in the new Multiplayer trailer along with characters sharing moulds with Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave, so we can probably confirm that one. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:44, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Where the hell are people getting Rumble and Frenzy from? Also, since Slipstream only shows up in the "embargo" pics, should we even mention her at all, let alone give her an article? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:51, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Embargo's been lifted (I think). As for Frenzy and Rumble, one of the concept art shows two that resemble the Casseticons, especially the blue with pile drivers. --[[User:Lonegamer78|lonegamer78]] 17:03, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::If it helps, the trailer is also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aAxxAJOMt8 here] - and as noted in the [[Talk:Slipstream_%28WFC%29|talk page]] for the new Slipstream, you can see what looks to be her running towards the camera at about 1:20-1:21 (just before it switches to Arcee). --[[User:Nerroth|Nerroth]] 19:25, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
but aren't they just multiplayer character models/pre-order only? --[[Special:Contributions/98.204.17.1|98.204.17.1]] 17:45, 26 May 2010 (EDT)
:Short Answer: No. Long Answer: Well, probably not, they're almost crtainly actual characters in the story version of the game from what we've seen, but no one will know 100% for sure until the game is out and we play through and see. But still, likely, no. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:00, 26 May 2010 (EDT)

== So what do we do now that there is a comic? ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/war-for-cybertron-preorder-bonus-idw-war-for-cybertron-1/18621/ Comic news], do we just put up a Disambig or start a full fledged Franchise treatment? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 16:52, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:I rather wait for further info or when any one of us gets a copy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 17:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::[http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=167925&postcount=6 more info]. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:35, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
:::"Based on selected passages from the novel TRANSFORMERS: EXODUS..." So the comic is tied very closely to the novel. It sounds like they are all the same franchise. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:45, 22 May 2010 (EDT)
::::Picked my copy up and it is rather a bit more close to Exodus from the reviews elsewhere. While I don't have a copy of Exodus on hand yet, the charges against Megatron that includes bombing Six Lasers Over Cybertron and kidnapping Sentinel Prime is mentioned. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 18:20, 24 June 2010 (EDT)

== For now... ==

...I'm deciding WfC is classified as a Primax-cluster universe. Now that the toys are sort of out, we really need to stick them ''somewhere''. And there's been nothing indicated that its universe isn't terribly G1y. This could change in the future as we come to understand its universe better, but we can move it then. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:56, 2 June 2010 (EDT)
:I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:49, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== Division by Game? ==

At some point soon are we going to need to give this page a major overhaul? From the sounds of it the Wii and DS versions are going to have signifigant enough character and play differnces that talking about it all as "one single game" would likely become counterproductive. Don't have the time right now to check but isn't that how we've handled multiplatform games in the past? A 360/PS3 section, a Wii section and a DS section? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:15, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
:I know there are two seperate articles for the PS1 and N64 versions of the Beast Wars Transmetal fighting games. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:54, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
::The games actually have different names, as well. The Wii version is called Transformers: Cybertron Adventures. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:55, 4 June 2010 (EDT)
:Usually there's seperate pages for different versions of the games, there'll probably be one for this game too. Might be better to wait until they're out though. -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] 00:25, 11 June 2010 (GMT)

== Matt Tieger Says... ==
I am, right now, listening to a Kotaku podcast where they are interviewing Matt Tieger, and he says War for Cybertron is "like a prequel to G1." http://ca.kotaku.com/5559654/its-a-prime-time-to-talk-transformers
So, is this confirmation of being G1, or do we still wait until the game or official fiction is released? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 22:01, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
:I think the keywords is that he used "like a" on describing WfC. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:07, 9 June 2010 (EDT)
Another note from the podcast: Matt Tieger says that Corey Burton is NOT the voice of Shockwave, but rather they got a sound-alike. Should this be worth mentioning? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:17, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
:: Matt Tieger has also said that WFC is a direct prequel to the G1 cartoon, which is impossible on several levels given what we know. I think a lot of what he says is to get people to buy the game (SHOCK SHOCK I KNOW) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== DS Version ==

Source for all of these "DS-only" guys? --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:34, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
: People who've played the game. I myself have seen Kup and Dirge fairly early on in the Toys R Us demo version. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:38, 11 June 2010 (EDT)
:: After going through the game, Kup's actually not playable, never featured beyond his portrait appearing in the tutorial. Hot Rod, on the other hand, is in, though he's named Hot Shot. On the decepticon side, there's also Ramjet, Motormaster and Dragstrip--[[User:Bobbington|Bobbington]] 05:46, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

==Box Art==

I have a picture of the Box Art, should I upload it, and if there's a version already here, shouldn't we use it as the Main Picture? [[User:Drayco90|Drayco90]] 13:28, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

==

== I know some missons! ==

I resantly looked at campaign and misson desighn and it showed the names of some missons lets add that.
:Where did you look at them? Were they officially released by Hasbro/the programming company? If not, then they are not eligible for inclusion on this wiki. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:54, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
yes,
confirmed misson names are
defend iacon,
death of hope,
the final guardian,
fuel of war,
iacon destroyed,
false propaganda,
decagon plaza
these are a few confirmed missons
:Where were they released? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:57, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
Confirmed by high moon.
:Where? When? Source, please? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:59, 15 June 2010 (EDT)
www.transformersgame.com go to media videos then behind the sceans campagn and misson desighn then when hes choosing a level he scrolls throgh these levels.

==James Remar==
So, was this actually confirmed? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:57, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
: I also would like to know. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:19, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::I as well, but I like Remar so I filled out his article anyway. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:21, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Given the fact you jumped all over me for that Ausgamers thing, I would have thought this article's creation would have caused some discussion. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:52, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Yeah well I figured with the article locked from anons... the WfC page would've been spared from unsourced statements. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:56, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Someone also added the WfC Starscream thing back onto [[Doug Parker]]'s article. Has THAT been confirmed? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 21:39, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::You know... seeing as how a few folks on the Allspark have snagged copies early, why not just beg them in the thread or PM or something if they can upload screenies/scans (whichever is applicable) of the credits for us? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:40, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Never mind, now that I'm caught up over there, I see [[User:abates|abates]] already did that. XD --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:44, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-war-cybertron-discussion/309191-transformers-war-cybertron-cast-spoiler.html Spotted this over on TFW2005], FWIW. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:19, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Megatron's voiced by [[Fred Tatasciore]], apparently. (BRB, making new actor pages. :P) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 22:22, 17 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I will totally fist-pump if he is, because I freakin' called that in ''January''. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 03:49, 18 June 2010 (EDT)

== Profiles? ==

Should we bother linking to all of the available official website character profiles, or are we just going to remove the existing links once the game comes out? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:07, 18 June 2010 (EDT)
: They count as G1 canon so we should keep them linked to their G1 counterparts.--[[User:Primetime]] 12:06, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:: That's not what Jeysie is talking about. She's talking about the links to the official WFC website. "official website character profiles." Me, uh, I don't really have an opinion. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:10, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
::: Yeah, Walky got it in one.
::: I guess my confusion was... I wasn't sure if the links were intended as information (in which case, might as well keep 'em), or just as sources for the character being in the game (in which case, once we get an official credits list from the game itself, said sources aren't really needed).
::: Not that I'm fussed either way... I just was itching to be consistent, and wasn't sure if that involved linking or deleting. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 00:14, 19 June 2010 (EDT)
:::: For me, more info is almost always better. Link!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:23, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

==Name?==

Is there a name for the guy I'm referring to as "Giant Autobot tank thing that you fight before Zeta Prime"? He has lines and stuff, but he didn't really look like anybody I recognized. (I refuse to call him by the name "that guy who kicked my ass about a dozen times until I got lucky.")

Talk:Shockwave (G1)

2010-06-03T07:32:48Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: /* War for Cybertron */

There was a rumor for a long time that Shockwave was killed in TF:TM. If he can indeed be spotted in Season 3, the name of the episode should be included here.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:19, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

He was killed in the script to the movie, but that part was not animated, or at least not animated clearly so you could see him die. Shockwave does appear in later episodes in group shots, but then, these same group shots have combiner super robots standing next to their components and zombie versions of Brawn. Shockwave's post-movie status is indeterminable. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there a laser-disc floating around which had large portions of Shockwave's personality encoded onto it? Even if he did actually DIE, there's certainly precedence for Transformers being resurrected from that kind of backup.--[[User:TheTurnipKing|TheTurnipKing]] 06:32, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
:Perhaps you're referring to the disc that Shockwave gave to the Predacons in US issue #25. I've always assumed that the extent of Shockwave's personality on that disc was largely a claim made by Shockwave calculated to make Megatron think of Optimus Prime, driving him further into madness. I'm not sure the claim is meant to be taken seriously, but it ''is'' up for interpretation. In any event, this was a comic continuity occurrence, and wouldn't have anything to do with the cartoon Shockwave's post-movie status.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:44, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
::Only thing is, how could Shockwave have made Megatron deliberately think of Prime with that reference, since it was never implied that Shockwave was even aware of the fact that Optimus Prime wasn't actually dead, let alone that his personality was stored on a floppy disc? It always seemed like a coincidence too perfect to me. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 15:34, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

This page totally needs a screenshot of Shockwave with the Himself Gun. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 20:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

*Consider it done. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 20:59, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
::Yay! --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 21:34, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Wow.. I don't think there's much more to add here! --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 22:36, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

it would be better if season 3 pictures of Shockwave can be found.

Could those season 3 episodes Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3 and Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4 animation errors be his clones?.

== Binaltech entry ==
Shockwave has still no binaltech entry. {{unsigned|81.244.229.218|20:10, 21 April 2008}}
:Please, feel free. (Oh, and please sign your posts to talk pages.) [[User:JW|JW]] 23:27, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== 6" Titanium ==

Should the prototype photo be included in the article?
:I think there should be at least mention of it. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 21:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shockwave Variants page ==

Hey guys. I'm considering making a page dedicated to the multiple variant versions of Shockwave, such as Astro Magnum and the Four Star Astrogun. A couple of these are already mentioned in the G1 toy section of Shockwave's page. I figured a dedicated page would be better, and the Shockwave G1 toy section can mention and link to it.

I wanted to do it on the wiki because:
a) it's a strong part of Shockwave's history;
b) it would be helpful to fans trying to identify their Shockwave variants (no other really good page online does this);
c) I'm not the foremost expert on the topic, so it would benefit from community revision;
d) Shockwave is awesome.

I ran this buy [[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] and he said he would support it. He said if I wanted to be conservative about it I should post here in advance first. So here I post.

On the assumption that no one will object, I'll start working on the page soon.

:Hi, I'm probably responsible for most of the toy articles around here these days, and I have no objection, mainly because I have almost no knowledge about his variants, so I would welcome the information. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

==Shockwave's Left Hand==
I think Shocky's left hand can switch into both laser cannon and normal hand just like [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/parts/parts-jazz01.htm Jazz], [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/parts/parts-ironhide01.htm Ironhide], and [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/jhiaxus/parts/parts-brawn01.htm Brawn]. Because there is a cable (or energy tube) attached to his left arm. If his left hand are just a hand, then what is the function of the cable? Thus I think his left hand can switch into both laser cannon and normal hand. Though I didn't see he has a normal hand after four million years later. (Seems it is just animation error *sigh*) Well this is just my opinion. *smile* --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:06, September 11 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon intro==

Wow. That "Note" at the front of the G1 Cartoon section is a little much, isn't it? Wouldn't something that wordy and in-depth do better in Trivia? Or maybe a term paper? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:35, 3 September 2009 (EDT)

==War for Cybertron==

Anyone see that new commercial for the game with Megatron putting Shockwave in command, and Shocky having Soudwave transform to play "The Touch" while he blasts guys?

Do we include info on commericals here? It also had a few seconds of Shock flying in like some sort of Cybertronian plane like thing, but it was hard to tell. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 03:30, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

((I'm not the one, btw, who added the line to the Trivia section about Shockwave officially being second-in-command of the Decepticons! I rather doubt we can take that commercial too seriously~ I just thought the commercial itself was worth mentioning.)) [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 03:32, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Talk:Shockwave (G1)

2010-06-03T07:30:19Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Thundercracker (G1)

2010-03-24T22:54:01Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

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{{disambig3|Thundercracker}}
:''Thundercracker is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Thundercrackerg1guido.jpg|right|300px|thumb|The blue one. No, the other blue one.]]
'''Thundercracker''' claims the skies as his arena. He looks down in contempt on those who cannot leave the ground — he considers them lesser beings. He will often attack the flightless beings below him for no other reason than to satisfy his scorn.

His superiority in this realm is the only thing he is sure of. Thundercracker is not entirely committed to the Decepticon cause, and even has some seemingly contradictory sympathy for the [[human]]s they terrorize. Fear of retribution from [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and the influence of his peers is usually enough to bury these doubts. Regardless, he needs constant reassurance that he's where he needs to be. Sometimes, his [[Spark|heart's]] just not in the job.

{{bigquote|[[Human|These creatures]] were never worthy adversaries. The Decepticons are forged through combat, not slaughter.|Thundercracker|[[All Hail Megatron issue 12]]}}

:''French-Canadian name:'' '''Coup de Tonnerre''' ("Thunderclap")
:''Chinese name (Taiwan):'' '''Lìeh Léi''' (裂雷, "Cracking Thunder") / '''Léi-gōng''' (雷公, "[[wikipedia:Lei Gong|Duke of Thunder]]")
:''Chinese name (China):'' '''Jing Tian Léi''' (驚天雷, "Sky-shocking Thunder")
:''Hungarian name:'' '''Villámcsapás''' ("Lightning strike")
:''Italian name:'' '''Vampiro''' ("Vampire")
:''Portuguese name (Portugal comics):'' '''Grande Trovão''' ("Big Thunder")
:''Portugese name (Brazil comics):'' '''Arrasador''' ("Arras")

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Introdump decepticons marvelus01.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Thundercracker is the one that is not Skywarp.]]
Thundercracker was one of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron's]] troops who attacked the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] during its mission to clear a path for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] through an asteroid field. He was deactivated when it crashed on [[Earth]], and he lay dormant for four million years. When he and his fellow Decepticons awoke, Thundercracker was given a new [[alternate mode]], that of an Earth jet. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}} He aided the Decepticons in their building of their new base constructed of parts from [[Harrison Nuclear Power Plant]] and joined in their attack on [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s auto repair shop. After the successful abduction of Sparkplug Witwicky, Thundercracker, [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] defended their base from [[Autobot|Autobots]], though [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] and [[Spider-Man]] were able to sneak through and rescue Sparkplug. {{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

''On another occasion, he and Skywarp made a strafing run on two Autobot spies, [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]. Jazz was deafened and blasted off the road, but Sunstreaker led them into a human military zone, prompting Megatron to call them back to base. {{storylink|Perchance to Dream}}''

Though Sparkplug Witwicky was able to devise a way for the Decepticons to convert Earth fuel into a usable substance, he also poisoned the result, so Thundercracker and his fellow Decepticons were immobilized at the climax of their would-be final battle with the Autobots. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} The Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took command of the Decepticons and the Ark shortly thereafter, and nursed Thundercracker and his comrades back to full health. Thundercracker may have helped Shockwave attempt to capture and brainwash [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] into a Decepticon, or it may have been Skywarp. It's hard to tell. {{storylink|Plight of the Bumblebee!}}

He served the Decepticon cause up until he was deactivated while battling [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and placed in prison stasis at Autobot headquarters. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

''Like Starscream and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], he revived early and soon quickly escaped from the Ark. He, Frenzy and Shockwave were then temporarily displaced to [[Limbo]] when [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] time-jumped from 2006. {{storylink|Target: 2006}}''

During a massive battle between the Autobots and Decepticons on Earth's moon, Thundercracker and the other Decepticons held in stasis aboard the Ark were liberated by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] and subsequently brought back on-line. {{storylink|Totaled!}} Much later, Thundercracker attacked an [[Underbase]]-powered Starscream in [[Tokyo]], but both he and Skywarp were destroyed by their former flying partner. {{storylink|Dark Star (issue)|Dark Star}}

====''Generation 2''====
Thundercracker was active on Earth during the Decepticons' major offensive against the human population, and was present when Megatron stole the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] from [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}} He later served in the Tykos raid, albeit in a menial role.

Starscream thinks he's a moron. {{storylink|New Dawn}}

====''Classics''====
After being revived from a state of near death, Thundercracker couldn't bring himself to serve with Starscream, the bot who killed him, and so he joined [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s Decepticon faction instead of his old leader Megatron's group. Of course, he ended up unable to control himself due to the [[Cerebro-shell|cerebro-shells]] of his latest maniacal boss, [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bug Bite]], so... tough break. To make matters worse, he had to listen to [[Weirdwolf]]. Even under Bug Bite's control, he threatened bodily harm if Weirdwolf didn't shut up.

Under Bug Bite's control, he fired a cerebro-shell at Skywarp, and was forced to help enslave Megatron and his forces. He was liberated by the interference of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|Games of Deception}}

Thundercracker was repaired and brought back on-line by Megatron. He was apparently willing to put aside his animosity towards Starscream at this point in order to serve under his glorious leader once more. When Megatron staged an attack on Bludgeon, he placed Thundercracker in command of one of the three warships. {{storylink|At Fight's End}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[John Stephenson]], ''[[Wally Burr]]'' (English), [[Yū Shimaka|Yutaka Shimaka]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Tetrajet seekers.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Cybertron alt-mode (on the right). Out of all the pre-earth alt modes, these pyramid jets seem to be the only ones anyone really cares about.]]
In the early days of the Decepticon rebellion, Thundercracker and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] both faced the powerful protectors of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron's]] cities, the [[Guardian Robots]]. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

Thundercracker was one of [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron's]] elite warriors, participating in the attack on the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and joining the rest of the Earth-bound Transformers in their several-million-year nap under an inactive volcano. He awoke when the rest of the Decepticons did, and took part in their attempts to gather [[Energon (fuel)|energon]] and escape the planet [[Earth]], which he loathed for being too "flat". It was he and [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] who spotted the first "potential Autobot", when in fact they had discovered the planet's native inhabitants, two [[human]]s, in a non-sentient vehicle. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 1}}

Megatron took the Decepticons to [[Sherman Dam]], a major source of energy. The Autobots, upon discovering their plot, soon arrived to prevent their ambition from becoming reality. Thundercracker and Skywarp fought off [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], only for Mirage to make a recovery and send the two Seekers off the bridge they were standing on. They were at least able to recover in time to escape with the rest of the group once Megatron had knocked Optimus Prime into the rushing river nearby. Though Thundercracker assisted in filling the energon cubes, [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] wasted a huge amount of energon testing it with a cannon. The Decepticons were then forced to make two stops: one at the [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma]], and another hunting for rocket fuel. Thundercracker and a handful of [[generic]]s painted like him were among the strike force headed for the Crystal Mines. While there, he pushed a cart of these gems with Skywarp, talking to Skywarp about his dislike for Earth, something Skywarp agreed with. They just barely avoided noticing [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] and his ally [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], who had come to investigate. The two set a bomb, but ran into the two Seekers on their way back out. Thundercracker attacked them until they were on the ground, Skywarp proposing that they give them as a present to Megatron. The bomb went off almost immediately afterward, burying the Decepticons and their enemies, so this did not come to be. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}}

[[Image:MTMTEpt2-Thundercracker_Skywarp_Mine.jpg|thumb|250px|left|"Gee Thundercracker, what are we going to do today?" "The same thing we do every day, Skywarp... try to take over the world!"]]

Both parties managed to escape safely, and Thundercracker went with the other Decepticons (save Megatron) to a rocket fuel base, where Thundercracker made his mark by destroying a couple of tanks. The Autobots arrived to stop them, with Thundercracker, Skywarp, and Laserbeak unleashing an aerial assault upon Cliffjumper and Wheeljack. During the brawl, Megatron called Thundercracker and the other troops to the [[Victory (ship)|space cruiser]] to return to Cybertron. However, a surprise attack from Mirage grounded their plans, literally and metaphorically. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

This would not be the end of the Decepticons, however. The crashed Victory was rebuilt into a fortress, from which they made another assault looking for energon. Thundercracker participated in many other attacks following this, also witnessing Megatron's disappearance in a [[space bridge]] accident, {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} and being part of the attack on a hydroelectric power generator along with Soundwave and Starscream, who declared himself leader in Megatron's absence. A group of Autobots showed up to stop them, with Cliffjumper arrogantly charging straight at Thundercracker, who brushed him off by smashing him with a pillar from the building. The energon cubes they were making were destroyed, and Soundwave suggested that the squad should retreat. As they escaped, Thundercracker criticised Starscream's leader capabilities, going on to praise Megatron when he revealed himself to have survived. Starscream took his squad (and Skywarp) to an airplane factory for spare parts, but while Thundercracker was having his wings reattached, Bluestreak and Prowl crashed the party. The Seekers shot at the Autobots, but [[Chip Chase]] took control of the injured Prowl and had him unleash a spectacular assault forcing Starscream's squad to escape. However, they made a quick stop at Chip's house and abducted him, taking him to [[Doctor Alcazar|Dr. Alcazar]]'s lab where the other Decepticons were. They extracted the antimatter formula from his brain, making them stronger. Thundercracker was unable to kill the now-useless Chip, as Autobots interrupted and took him back. The next morning, after leaving the lab, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] used his [[jet judo]] on the antimatter-powered Thundercracker, but Starscream thwarted this plan. Thundercracker was then ordered to give Megatron the antimatter cubes, transforming him into "the most powerful weapon of all". This plan was a failure, and the Decepticons had no choice but to get away. {{storylink|Roll for It}}

[[Image:Thundercrackerg1.jpg|right|180px|thumb|FLINTSTOOOOONE!!!]]

Thundercracker again joined his fellow Seekers in raiding a factory for energy and heavily damaging Optimus Prime, who had been called in by Chip. When more Autobots showed up, Megatron ordered the Seekers to escape with the energon cubes rather than fighting them. At the end of the day, Thundercracker participated in a battle in front of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], where he was punched down by [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] immediately as he landed. When Megatron suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of a recovered Optimus Prime, Starscream smugly instructed everybody to take Megatron back for repairs. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} Following this, Thundercracker witnessed the rebirth of Starscream's former colleague [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] {{storylink|Fire in the Sky}} and was shot down by [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] during a mission at the [[Great Falls]]. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

One of the few things he seemed to loathe even more than the world he was stranded on was the attitude of his commander, [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]. Thundercracker often started fights with the [[Air Commander]], usually over whether or not Megatron's latest plan was a waste of time (Thundercracker took Megatron's side). At one point, Thundercracker's distaste for "that geeky Starscream" became so strong that he was willing to let Skyfire destroy one of the Decepticons' greatest weapons, just in the hopes that Starscream would get blamed for it! {{storylink|Fire on the Mountain}} Despite these brushes with treachery, however, Thundercracker just never had it in him to do anything more than complain about his fellow Decepticons.

The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] were assigned with guarding an [[Meteorini Chipperoni|unstable meteor]], so when the Seekers flew by, they naturally began firing. When Megatron told them he had no intent of fighting and instead managed to talk the Dinobots into turning against Optimus Prime, Thundercracker and the other Seekers hauled the meteor away. {{storylink|War of the Dinobots}}

Next, the Seekers attacked a solar plant located in [[India]], Optimus Prime leading a squad of Autobots to stop them. But after Laserbeak kidnapped Sparkplug, Megatron ordered the Seekers to move out, as they were merely a diversion. When Skywarp and Starscream began arguing over the effectiveness of the plan, Thundercracker merely kept his mouth shut. The Autobots came to rescue Sparkplug, going to the underwater base to do so. During this underwater battle, Thundercracker sent a missle at Bumblebee, only for Bumblebee to direct it back at him. He was next doing some work on a large space bridge for Megatron, one that would bring Cybertron into Earth's orbit and create devastating weather. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} Starscream ordered Thundercracker to use his flamethrower against the Autobots, and despite Thundercracker's protests saying that the wind is too strong, Starscream wouldn't give in. Thundercracker turned out to be correct, and his fire ended up scorching to two Seekers instead, something [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] found humourous. The weather conditions were so bad, even back at Decepticon Headquarters, it destroyed the energon cubes Thundercracker was storing. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} When the other Decepticons noticed that Megatron had left for Cybertron by himself, Thundercracker was in hot pursuit. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} Skywarp and Rumble were bickering when they should have been fixing up the weather-ravaged base, and Thundercracker attempted to stop their argument by reminding them that there was work to be done. After [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and Skywarp got in a fight, Rumble got a bit into the moment and started wailing on Skywarp, so Thundercracker had to hold him back. Though he was as surprised as everybody else when Megatron arrived, perfectly healthy, to shut everybody up, Thundercracker was willing to go with Megatron when he discovered Starscream and [[Doctor Arkeville|Dr. Arkeville]]'s plot. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)}}

Megatron took [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and Thundercracker to [[Bali]] after [[Insecticon (G1)|giant insects]] were reported in the area. When [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] showed them to a Decepticon escape pod disguised as a hollow rock, Thundercracker deduced that the giant insects were Decepticons who ca me to Earth and scanned insects as [[alternate mode]]s. This group met up with the Insecticons, and [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] requested that they help defeat the group of Autobots challenging them, to which they agreed. When reinforcement Autobots came in, Megatron ordered the Decepticons (Insecticons included) to head for the oil refinery to rest up. The Insecticons separated, with the rest going to the refinery, where Thundercracker poured oil from the pipes into Soundwave's energon cubes, and brought more cubes when [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] requested them. [[Jetfire (G1)|A visitor]] soon showed up, and Thundercracker joined in giving him a "warm welcome". Other Autobots arrived, with Brawn, Wheeljack and Optimus Prime being forced to dive into the water to avoid a "Shrapnel grenade". Thundercracker used his flamethrower on the trio of Autobots, who avoided it and retaliated by swimming underwater and then pushing up the dock Thundercracker was standing on, throwing him into his own inferno. The Insecticons turned against the Decepticons, digging into the energon and retreating, with Megatron ordering everybody to follow them. {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons}}

Megatron used the power chip rectifiers taken from the other Decepticons in his one-on-one battle against Optimus Prime. Thundercracker contributed his, allowing Megatron to use earsplitting sonic booms. After the battle, the Autobots went back to base so Optimus could recover, where they discovered the Decepticons' plan. After distracting and threatening them with a hologram, the Autobots shot at their enemies until they fell down the crevice, into the lava below. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

{{storylink|Autobot Spike}} {{storylink|Changing Gears}} {{storylink|City of Steel}} {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots}} {{storylink|Traitor}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}} {{storylink|The Autobot Run}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|Day of the Machines}}

Thundercracker and Starscream tore the roof off the building where [[Doctor Fujiyama the Famous Scientist|Dr. Fujiyama, the famous scientist]]'s robot [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird]] would be unveiled, and the two promptly transported Nightbird to the Decepticons' temporary base. Later, Megatron considered replacing Starscream with the now-reprogrammed Nightbird. Starscream threw a fit and Megatron told Thundercracker and Skywarp to hold him back before Soundwave and Bombshell trapped him in a force field. Megatron led the Decepticons (minus Starscream) to retrieve Nightbird's World Energy Chip, but Starscream escaped and shot her with his [[null-ray]] in yet another act of treachery. Megatron sent the other Decepticons to catch the traitor, allowing the Autobots to collect it. {{storylink|Enter the Nightbird}}

{{storylink|A Prime Problem}} {{storylink|The Core}} {{storylink|The Insecticon Syndrome}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 2}} {{storylink|Auto Berserk}} {{storylink|Microbots}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}} {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} {{storylink|Blaster Blues}} {{storylink|A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court}}{{storylink|The Golden Lagoon}} {{storylink|Make Tracks}} {{storylink|Quest for Survival}} {{storylink|Triple Takeover}} {{storylink|War Dawn}} {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}} {{storylink|The Revenge of Bruticus}} {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

Thundercracker was present for the Decepticon assault on [[Autobot City]] in 2005. He was among the Decepticons gunned down by Optimus Prime. After the battle, the injured Thundercracker was tossed out of [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] with the rest of the injured and weakened warriors following a decidedly stacked vote.

[[Image:TFTM Thundercracker.jpg|right|250px|thumb|NAZGUUUUL!!]]
That was not, however, entirely the end of Thundercracker's story. [[Unicron]] was waiting in space for a chance like this, and when the newly reborn [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] needed some new troops to command, Thundercracker was among the old Decepticons used as raw materials. His body was used to create [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

Later [[Octane]] would show concern when he ran into a [[Decepticon Crypt]] to hide from Cyclonus, the Sweeps and Scourge and found a statue of Thundercracker there. After apologizing for the intrusion, Octane decided it would be better to hide behind someone else's statue. {{storylink|Starscream's Ghost}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===

====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic====

Under orders from [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], Thundercracker accompanied [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] in an energy raid on [[Tokyo]]. They succeeded in bombing pedestrians and children until [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and a unit of Autobot vehicles arrived. Though a Decepticon victory seemed assured when they unleashed [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] on their foes, their strategy was undone when the Autobots drove up a ramp at top speed, transformed to vehicle mode and punched everybody in the face. Thundercracker was forced to retreat. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 1|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #1}}

Thundercracker later took part in an all-out assault on [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]] in [[Arizona]]. The attack was nothing more than a diversion so [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] could go do unspecified ''stuff'' in Japan and the Decepticons were eventually defeated and driven off. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

====''Robot Masters'' online comic====
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===S.T.A.R.S. pack-in flyers===
[[Image:PackIn HaveTheDecepticons Inside1.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Somebody told him the femmebots are all into vampires these days.]]
A [[S.T.A.R.S. continuity|series of recruitment messages]] sent by the Autobots to [[human]] allies featured Thundercracker as a recurrent bogeyman. He first appeared in the story of [[Johnny]], a member of [[S.T.A.R.S.]] who spotted Thundercracker draining the energy from the boy's town. Despite all other power being knocked out, Johnny was able to activate his [[Command Center]] and summon an Autobot squad. {{storylink|Have the Decepticons defeated us once and for all?}} However, even they were somewhat affected by Thundercracker's siphoning, and just as Johnny was preparing to issue orders, his Command Center went dead and the walls around him began to shake. {{storylink|Can one boy, alone, hold back the evil Decepticons?}}

[[Image:PackIn RodimusPrimeRemembers Inside2.jpg|right|200px|thumb|"Greatest battle of all time, and Reflector takes the picture when my damn wings are still down. Thanks, buddy."]]

The Autobot messages ended that story there, leaving the outcome unknown. But in later messages, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] would recall what he considered [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction|the Transformers' greatest battle on Earth]], in which the only enemy combatants were Megatron and Thundercracker. The two Decepticons set up an ambush for an Autobot convoy searching for a site on which to build [[Autobot City]]. As the battle erupted, Thundercracker again employed his energy-draining attack (described here as a "[[force field]]"). {{storylink|Rodimus Prime remembers the Transformers greatest battle on Earth.}} [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] ordered [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], and [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] to retreat out of the weapon's range and get help, but as they left, Thundercracker pursued. {{storylink|Transformers Combat Data}}

[[Image:Theautobotsareunderattack.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The match-up no one demanded!]]

Again, the story was cut short, but it would not be the last time Thundercracker was said to tangle with that particular group of Autobots. The final S.T.A.R.S. recruitment message told of [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] discovering that the squad was out scouting for new energy sources, and Thundercracker was sent on a sneak-attack run. The message warned that if the recipient failed to help out by joining S.T.A.R.S., the Autobots might be destroyed. {{storylink|The Autobots Are Under Attack!}}

{{note|Thundercracker's consistent use of an energy-draining weapon is unique to this [[micro-continuity]]. It seems to make him an incredibly dangerous foe; however, given that all of this is literally Autobot propaganda, the "[[Wikipedia:Unreliable narrator|unreliable narrator]]" factor is worth consideration.}}

===''Machine Wars'' toy bio===
The mysterious [[Machine Wars]] were a tumultuous time for Thundercracker. At long last he was convinced of and committed to the truth of the Decepticon cause, but Thundercracker now ironically found himself in open rebellion against Megatron's leadership of the faction. It is unknown what events lead to his reversal of heart about the Decepticons and his being branded a "Rebel Warrior."

{{note|Since no fictional backstory has ever been established for the Machine Wars line it is possible that it is set in some alternate reality where this was simply Thundercracker's nature, but given that the rest of the characters are clearly their classic G1-selves unrevealed events/character development seem more likely explanations.}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
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One of the first Decepticons recruited by Megatron. Early in Megatron's scheming, Thundercracker was sent to Sector Zero-Six with Skywarp and Starscream. On the way, Starscream unintelligently leaked the plan to Grimlock. {{storylink|DW Preview Special 2002}} During the war, Thundercracker served under Shockwave during the Dark Ages, when Megatron was missing and believed dead. {{storylink|War Within: The Dark Ages}}

Thundercracker was one of several Decepticon invaders on-board the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' when it crashed into [[Earth]] four million years ago while the Autobot ship was clearing an asteroid in the path of Cybertron. He was reactivated in 1984 with the rest of the Transformers, and fought at Megatron's side until the Decepticons were ultimately defeated. In 2002, he was captured and reprogrammed by arms dealer [[Lazarus|Adam 'Lazarus' Rook]] alongside many other Cybertronians. Lazarus intended to rent out the services of the enslaved robots to various terrorist groups. In a demonstration of their power to a group of prospective clients, Thundercracker participated in an attack on the Arctic division of the Smitco Oil Refinery by blowing something up. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 2}}

After Megatron reactivated himself, he freed his Decepticon subordinates in order to put forward his plans to infect Earth with a metallic virus of doom. To pass the time while this happened, Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp busied themselves by tearing apart the Autobot [[Mini Vehicle]] team. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 3}} Thundercracker later participated in Megatron's attack on San Francisco, where he followed Starscream's orders to maintain formation and drop cluster bombs on the Autobot giant [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], forcing the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] to split into their separate component robots. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 4}} Thundercracker stood watch over the defeated Autobots while Megatron tried to persuade [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to help the Decepticons conquer Earth. After some human firefighters distracted the Decepticons long enough for Optimus Prime to free the Autobots, Thundercracker was presumably beaten up and escaped when Superion sacrificed himself to stop a nuclear missile launched by rogue US General [[Robert Hallo]]. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 6}}

''Oddly enough, Thundercracker turned to weapons smuggling after Megatron vanished and the Decepticons were left leaderless, working with [[Mexico|Mexican]] arms dealers south of the border. He was moored at [[Mesa Verde|Atahulpa Aeropuerto de Mesa Verde]], getting his cargo hold loaded with guns, when [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] sieged the tiny airport. As his human allies scattered, Thundercracker transformed and engaged the Autobots with his drone missile launchers. One of the guided projectiles nearly blasted Prowl in the back, but Bumblebee knocked it off course... right into a tanker filled with jet fuel. The resulting explosion was catastrophic, and threw the Autobots for a loop. Thundercracker was prepared to finish off Prowl when the renegade [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] named [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] arrived on the scene. Fresh for battle, Grimlock easily defeated Thundercracker, battering him from head to toe before knocking him into the airport terminal. {{storylink|Hardwired}}''

{{note|Thundercracker's smuggling operation may have been connected to Starscream supplying advanced weapons technology to his human servants in [[Las Vegas]], but this was never made clear.}}
''Recovering from his injuries, Thundercracker joined up with Starscream and his forces in "[[Las Vegas|New Centurion]]" (formerly Las Vegas) some time before Megatron returned to Earth with the nigh-invincible aliens known as the [[Keeper (species)|Keepers]] in tow. He got another chance at Prowl and Bumblebee while fighting on the Strip, but the Autobots were better prepared this time and Thundercracker was brought down by Prowl's wire-guided missiles and crashed in front of Caesar's Palace. He revived in time to join Soundwave in double-teaming Grimlock, who had also come in the assault on Las Vegas. Unfortunately, Thundercracker once again fell before the Dinobot's superior might after only a few blows. He stayed under Starscream's command after Megatron returned, remaining in Las Vegas while the former Decepticon leader and those loyal to him quit the city. This only led to Thundercracker being captured with the rest of Starscream's Decepticons when their leader was killed by the Keepers and reanimated as a host body for their awesome power. Thundercracker, Skywarp and the others were trapped beneath a massive energy field, like mice in a cage to the god-like aliens.''

''The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] eventually dug a tunnel to freedom, and Thundercracker's group of Decepticons reunited with Megatron, working with the Autobots against the Keepers. Thundercracker joined [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and the Autobot [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] on air patrol during the fight with the Keepers, strafing the aliens and their puppets, [[Bluestreak]] and Starscream. He survived the battle with the Keepers (not to mention the nuclear missile launched by the American government) thanks to Optimus Prime super-charging the [[Matrix]] with a pool of newly discovered energon. {{storylink|Annihilation}}''

''Thundercracker began working for Megatron again, and was present in the Nevada desert when the Autobots and Decepticons confronted the United States military. Thanks to their airborne tactics, Thundercracker and Skywarp did significant injury to the troops and survived the [[deconstructionite]] assault virtually unscathed. {{storylink|Fusion (novel)|Fusion}}''

After [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] had defeated Megatron and brought the Decepticons back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Thundercracker and Skywarp spent their time relaxing and bathing, though Thundercracker was skeptical of Shockwave's new order, and compared its promised benefits to the benefits originally promised by Megatron. {{storylink|Cold War}}

Starscream eventually brought the Nemesis crew back to Earth and led them in a battle against the Autobots who had stayed behind there. {{storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} Thundercracker was among those captured by the Autobots, but was eventually freed in exchange for Starscream's assistance in fighting against [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. They were only given half-power, though, and had to stumble out of the Autobot camp in an extremely weakened condition. {{storylink|Skyfire (issue)|Skyfire}} Hardly the sort of leadership they had in mind, Thundercracker and the other Decepticons eagerly re-accepted Megatron as their leader when he returned to Earth and chastised Starscream for his incompetence and treachery. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[Image:GIJoevsTF1_Seeker.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
Thundercracker was one of the many Transformers found dormant aboard the ''Ark'' by [[Cobra]], who reprogrammed the alien robots to serve them. After rebuilding Thundercracker and Skywarp into [[Rattler]] planes, Cobra sent them to attack a peace ceremony at [[Washington, D.C.]], where one of the Seekers was the first of the attackers to reveal their [[transformation]] ability before punching [[Ace]] out of the sky. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 1}}

Eventually, the Decepticons were freed from Cobra's control, and Thundercracker and Skywarp started fighting against the newly freed Autobots. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5}} When the [[SPS Satellite]] went out of control and sent enerby beams raining down on [[Cobra Island]], the two Seekers were caught in its blasts and deactivated. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 6}}

{{note|Thundercracker and Skywarp are identical in this series, so it's possible that Thundercracker was also the one to kill [[Major Bludd]] in [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 4|issue 4]]. It seems more like something Skywarp would do, though.}}
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===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
Thundercracker and Skywarp were getting bawled out by Megatron when the news came in that Starscream had injured himself. When they went to retrieve Starscream, the Seeker was gone, and Thundercracker pointed out the Autobot tire-marks leading away from the area. He later totally bought Screamer's story that he'd been feigning amnesia to gain access to the Autobot base. {{storylink|Redemption Center}}

===IDW comics continuity===
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[[Image:MegatronOrigin4 Thundercracker Skywarp.jpg|left|450px|thumb|"When I joined this murderous terrorist group, I wasn't ever intending to shoot at anyone!"]]
Thundercracker and his fellow Seekers were recruited into Megatron's [[Gladiatorial combat|underground fights]] when Soundwave was sent to recruit flight capable warriors. However, Megatron did not intend for them to be pit fighters, but his new warriors. After being given [[weapons systems]] by [[Hook (G1)|Hook]], the Seekers went and kidnapped [[Decimus|Senator Decimus]], who was to be executed at Megatron's recruitment rally. However, the [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] and the Autobots arrived and arrested the whole of them. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}} After Starscream killed the [[Kaon Council]] and liberated them, Megatron launched his new "Decepticons" in an "Everything burns" offensive on Kaon. Thundercracker and Skywarp were sent to target a ship carrying the wealthy and elite. Thundercracker expressed some reservations about attacking the ship, but Skywarp gave him simple advice: "Don't think. Just do it." {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}

[[Image:Infiltration0 Thundercracker.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Tha-Boom, I want you in my room...]]
Millions of years later, Thundercracker operated as part of a Decepticon [[Infiltration protocol|insurgent cell]] that had operated covertly on Earth for at least four years, working to destabilize Earth's governing organizations and create global anarchy. He was known to the Autobots as a professional soldier, in contrast to the likes of the Battlechargers.

He, [[Runabout]] and [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] were assigned by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to intercept the human [[Stoker]] and retrieve his [[SM-40]] palmtop PC, containing data on their [[Nebraska]] operation. The team caught up with and killed Stoker outside Phoenix, AZ, but the [[SM-40]] was missing. Thundercracker tracked the device to [[Hunter O'Nion]] and [[Verity Carlo]], but was driven off by [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], {{storylink|Infiltration issue 0}} who managed to temporarily lose him and the two [[Battlecharger|Battlechargers]]. After picking Ratchet up again, Thundercracker was later shot down by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 2}} When Megatron arrived on Earth to take command of Starscream's infiltration team, Thundercracker, along with the other Decepticons, were unwilling to stand against him when the Decepticon leader ordered them to stand down. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6}}

After Megatron trashed Starscream, Thundercracker and the other Decepticons were only all too willing to accept Megatron's leadership once again. Thundercracker and Skywarp were sent to destroy the El Jira power plant in the middle east to inflame global tensions and spark a global energy shortage. {{storylink|Escalation issue 2}} During the battle of [[Brasnya]], the sorely-pressed Skywarp teleported Thundercracker in to try and stop [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] from escaping with the [[Georgi Koska]] facimile. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6}}

[[Image:Devastation1 Ruining Everything.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Megatron's lost it! It must be a Tuesday.]]
Thundercracker was among the concerned Decepticons who feared that Megatron had made a serious error in judgement by bringing the destructive [[Sixshot]] to Earth, and so conspired to bring Starscream back into the fold to talk some sense into their leader. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} Though outnumbered and outgunned, the Decepticons fought valiantly when the [[Reaper|Reapers]] attacked, and with a little help from [[Galvatron (G1)|a mysterious combatant]], they managed to defeat the alien invaders. {{storylink|Devastation issue 6}}

Sometime after that (we think), Thundercracker was on Cybertron watching the experiments to create [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]]. He was outraged by the existence of the [[Insecticon swarm|Swarm]], freakish monsters created as a side-effect, and demanded Megatron euthanised them rather than allowing fellow Decepticons to endure such torturous existence. Megatron, shockingly, didn't give a toss. A while later, Thundercracker helped defeat the Autobots staying on Earth. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7}}

A year on from the Reaper battle, Thundercracker was part of the Decepticon attack on [[New York City]]. Unlike his comrades, he showed no enthusiasm for mindless slaughter and could be seen staring at the devastation Megatron left in his wake. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 1}} When Megatron later made his propaganda speech, Thundercracker looked unimpressed. (Having to stand outside when it was pissing down probably didn't help) {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 4}}
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[[Image:AHM12_Betrayer.jpg|right|200px|thumb|How DARE you act like your [[bio]] suggests you should act!]]

Thundercracker came to the aid of Skywarp when the latter was being threatened by [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]]. While Skywarp enjoyed working with his pal Thundercracker again, he also noted that Thundercracker hadn't actually participated in any of the fighting since the initial strike. Thundercracker for his part looked about as depressed as a robot CAN look, suggesting he was unhappy about the invasion plan, or at least the gratuitous death and destruction some of the others had caused. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6}} When Starscream betrayed Megatron and sent the Insecticons and [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] to attack him, Thundercracker merely stood back and watched. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10}} He was later seen fighting back against human jets sent from [[Europe]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11}}

When Megatron ordered [[Octane|Tankor]] to destroy New York City using a nuclear bomb, Thundercracker volunteered himself to redirect it. When questioned, he said that in his opinion, the Decepticons had lost their way, and the mass slaughter of unworthy foes was dishonorable. He succeeded in redirecting the bomb, but was then confronted by a furious Skywarp, who was outraged at the idea of a Seeker "betrayer" and, despite Thundercracker's attempts to explain his position, blasted him point-blank in the head. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12}}

{{spoilers|Seasons in Flight|March 25}}
Thundercracker survived, albeit heavily injured and incapable of traveling far. As he made his way to a ruined New York skyscraper which human cleanup crews likely wouldn't reach for months, he reflected on how life on Earth was always changing and always found a way to survive. He eventually managed to construct a distress beacon, and as he waited for his fellow Decepticons to find him, he also got a [[television]] working. For the next two and a half years, Thundercracker spent his time watching human programs and growing increasingly fascinated with their ever-changing world and society. Eventually, he was found by a ragtag team of 'cons left behind on the planet, who repaired him and hoped that he, as an elite Seeker, would lead them. Thundercracker refused, as he saw no point in a warrior leading the team, since the war was over for them. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}

Instead, [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] took command, and led Thundercracker and the others for a revenge attack on [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. They changed their mind, however, and instead offered to help [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and his group leave Earth. {{storylink|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} As Thundercracker helped them construct a ship, he thought about how Swindle had to be planning something, and how he felt remorse for the Autobots and how lost they were. His thoughts strayed back to the humans and their ever-changing world, comparing them to his own so-called "transforming" race that had remained the same for millions of years. While Thundercracker used to laugh at it, he now saw the beauty of Earth, where every act of destruction was also an act of creation. He knew that they had a lot to learn from the humans, but all his fellow Transformers wanted to do was to run away. {{storylink|Seasons in Flight}}
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==Commercial apperances==
Thundercracker snuck his way into several bits of original [[commercial]] animation:
* He appears in the first Transformers animation, a 1984 commercial advertising the Marvel comic. He is animated with an early model featuring a black face.

* He appears alongside Starscream in a commercial for Jetfire, strafing three Autobot cars. Later Jetfire shoots him down, forcing him and Starscream to transform and land.

* Thundercracker and the other two jets get beat up by the Dinobots in a commercial for the Predacons.

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:Redeco.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Thundercracker is the cheap and lazy redeco on the right.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Decepticon Jet, 1984/1985/1986/2001/2003/2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''24'''
**''Accessories'': Left & right fists, landing gear, 2 rocket launchers, 2 rockets, 2 "Incendiary Gun" missiles

: {{note|For some reason, the stats on Skywarp's, Starscream's and Thundercracker's tech specs were switched around. Thundercracker was given Skywarp's numbers.}}

: Originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Jet Robo Acrobat-Type", Thundercracker transforms into an F-15 Eagle fighter jet, sharing his mold with his teammates [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. Many parts need to be removed completely from transformation from robot to jet and back, which nowadays is considered a major drawback of the toy. It is difficult to find it complete, as neither mode can hold all the pieces required. There are a few minor mold variations of this toy (common for the first two years of ''Transformers'', really), the most immediately noticeable being that early versions did not have visible "clip-tabs" on the inner face of the gauntlets.

: In 1986, he was made available as a mail-away item (as he was no longer shipping to retail shelves) in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" flier packed with most boxed ''Transformers'' toys. He cost $10 and two [[Robot Point|robot points]].

: In 2001, Thundercracker was given a short-run re-issue by [[Takara]] as a convention-[[exclusive]] item. The toy would later be more extensively released as part of the [[Hasbro]] [[Commemorative Series]] line, though due to US [[For safety reasons|toy-safety regulations]], his missiles were made extra-long.

: In August, 2008, Thundercracker was reissued with Skywarp as number 11 in Takara's [[Encore|Transformers Encore]] line. This version used a slightly different shade of blue and had painted stripes and symbols instead of using stickers.

: This mold is also used by [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]].

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[[Image:Thundercrackeram.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Do not look directly at him, unless you have sunglasses and/or Pepto Bismol handy.]]
* '''Thundercracker (Action Master)''' (Action Master Exo-suit, 1991)
**''Accessories'': "Solo Mission Jet Plane", 2 missiles

: Released only in European and Australasian markets, once again Thundercracker was a [[redeco]] of Starscream, a non-transforming action figure that combined elements of both the character's cartoon model and toy-form. Like all [[Action Master|Action Masters]], Thundercracker was a non-transformable action figure with a transformable accessory — in his case, a Solo Mission Jet Plane vehicle that converted into [[Action Master Exo-suit| Exo-suit]] battle armor. However, unlike most of Thundercracker's appearances, Action Master Thundercracker is not in his traditional blue and silver colors, but rather in [[Neon|magenta, purple, blue, gold, and two shades of green]]. ''(Oy.)''

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===Machine Wars===
[[Image:MWThundercracker toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|No, seriously, this guy is Thundercracker.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Basic, 1996)
**''Accessories'': Two-part rifle

: Sharing a mold once again with [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], Thundercracker transforms into a green Dassault Rafale fighter jet with spring-loaded one-step transformation from jet to robot. The two halves of his rifle store in his lower legs. Like all ''[[Machine Wars]]'' toys, Thundercracker was an [[exclusive]] to Kay-Bee stores and related stores like Toy Liquidators.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Beast Wars II (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Dirge (BWII)|Dirge]], ''[[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Skyfire (RID)|Skyfire]], ''[[Robot Masters]]'' [[Wingstun]], and the "[[Dawn of Future's Past]]" version of [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

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===Smallest Transforming Transformers===
* '''Thundercracker''' (2004)

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' product (dubbed wave "2.5" and available only at CVS stores in Japan), Thundercracker is ''again'' a redeco of Starscream. Like all toys in the line, Thundercracker is a tiny, even more simplified version of the original toy, transforming into an F-15 fighter jet. These toys were sold in "blind-packed" boxes, so you could not know which one you had until you actually opened the box. To complicate matters further, Thundercracker was a [[chase figure]], one of two in his wave (the other was a cartoon-colored version of Optimus Prime's trailer).

: The same mold is used by ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' Skywarp and Thrust.

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===Robot Masters===
[[Image:RobotMastersThundercracker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Light blue? Totally neon.]]
* '''Skywarp & Thundercracker''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': 2 rifles, 2 missile pods

: ''[[Robot Masters]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from the same series, a smaller yet more advanced version of the original toy, adding more articulation and reducing the amount of [[Partformer|part-forming]] required. He was available only in a two-pack with [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], which also came with a Decepticon sigil pin and chromed missile pods. This set was the very last product released in the ''Robot Masters'' line, and wasn't even strictly sold in a box from that series; instead, it used an e-Hobby Generation 1 reissue box, with a small "''Robot Masters''" sticker in the corner tab noting its origin from the front.

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===Titanium Series===
[[Image:TitaniumHeroesWWThundercracker.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I don't think I have enough little wings on my shoulders.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)

: [[Titanium Series]] Thundercracker is based upon his appearance in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[The War Within]]''. He transforms into a Cybertronian 'tetrajet', as reimagined by [[Don Figueroa]]. As with all 6-inch Titanium Cybertron Heroes, he is constructed mostly of fully painted die-cast metal.

: This mold was redecoed into ''[[War Within]]'' Starscream, Sunstorm, Skywarp and Thrust.

: Yes. Thundercracker was here first.
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===Timelines===
[[Image:Classics Thundercracker Toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|You want me, but you can't have me!]]
*'''Games of Deception!''' (Multi-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Left & right launchers, 2 missiles

: Thundercracker is part of the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]''-themed [[BotCon 2007]] box set, along with [[Bug Bite (G1)|Bugbite]], [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]], [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]], and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]]. Thundercracker is a [[redeco]] of the ''Classics'' Starscream toy using the modified version first seen with Skywarp.

: ''Classics'' Thundercracker is a faithful reproduction of his original toy, but with modern standards of toy engineering, transformation, sculpting detail and articulation. He transforms into an F-15 Eagle, but has the nose of an F-14 Tomcat fighter jet. His color scheme is inspired by the original figure released in 1984, but with a shade of blue closer to that of the original [[Diaclone]] version.

: In robot mode, Thundercracker is essentially a very detailed version of his cartoon robot mode. He is armed with two null-ray missile launchers which are so large that they restrict his arm movement due to them bumping into his wings.

: There were only 1500 ''Classics'' Thundercracker figures produced.

:This mold was used for Henkei! Thundercracker.

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===Henkei! Henkei!===
[[Image:Henkei Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb| You can have me . . . but you might not want me.]]
*'''Thundercracker''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 missile launchers (left and right), 2 missiles

: ''[[Henkei! Henkei! (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' Thundercracker is a redeco of ''Henkei! Henkei!'' [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]]. He features a metallic flake blue version of his cartoon clour scheme, rather than his darker blue ''Generation 1'' toy colour scheme. ''Henkei'' Thundercracker and his fellow [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] ''Henkei! Henkei!'' [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] was released in September 2008 as an exclusive through Ganbo Store.

:Soon after release, there were numerous complaints from both Japanese and Western collectors about the poor quality control for both Thundercracker and Skywarp. Thundercracker in particular suffered from a widespread issue where his missile launchers did not fit into the holes in his shoulders, due to the holes being too big. Some reported both toys suffering misassembly issues such as having two left or two right thighs.

:Several minor changes were made to this mold for this release. The holes for his missile launchers in his arms were widened, but not the launcher's insertion pegs. The wing's missile launcher insertion points were lengthened and are now curved at the end. The last rectangle on his air intakes, was further modified from the Classics version this time the bottom most rectangle goes completely across the air intake's surface rather than just the center. Henkei Skywarp and Universe Starscream also saw most of these changes.

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===Masterpiece===
[[Image:MP Thundercracker toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hey, at least I'm ''meant'' to be [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|blue]].]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (2008)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MP-7'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "Machine Guns", 2 AIM missile racks, Doctor Arkeville pilot, Megatron Gun clasp, display stand

:A redeco of Masterpiece Starscream, [[Masterpiece]] Thundercracker was released in Japan in November 2008. He comes with all the accessories of the previous Seekers including the display stand, [[Doctor Arkeville]] (cast with [[wikipedia:Mystique_(comics)|blue skin]]), stickers and the clip to hold gun-mode Megatron that came with Masterpiece Convoy while in jet-mode. Also like Starscream and Skywarp, Thundercracker features two swappable faces; the normal emotionless face which is retooled from Starscream's original one, and a new growling one which appears to be an attempt to make him seem very angry... very angry indeed. Unfortunately the effect leaves him looking like he's on a trip to the dentist. He is covered with a glossy finish just like Skywarp.

:Masterpiece Thundercracker features an assembly error: His left and right pectorals are flipped. This misassembly does not affect transformation at all, and is most noticeable when compared to prior Masterpiece Seekers. The 2008 pressing of Masterpiece Skywarp also features this part swap.

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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
* '''Thundercracker''' (1986)
**''Decoy ID number'': '''34'''

: [[Decoy]] Thundercracker is a tiny rubber figure randomly packed with [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] in 1986. As the figure is one solid color (purple or red, with the red versions only being available for a short while and only with Throttlebots), Thundercracker is only differentiated from Starscream and Skywarp by holding his right arm up in the air.

===Super Collection Figure===
[[Image:HOC_Thundercracker.jpg|thumb|right|250px|]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (2001)

: ''[[Super Collection Figure]]'' Thundercracker is a non-transforming three-inch tall figure, and a redeco of SCF Starscream. He was released in the fourth wave of the series, and came with the left leg of that wave's "Build-A-Figure", [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

: This mold was also used to make [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] and the [[Air Warrior]]s in the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' line (see below).

===Heroes of Cybertron===
* '''Thundercracker''' (2003)

: ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'' was the Western release of ''Super Collection Figures'', and differ in that they were given a [[light-piping]] gimmick due to being molded entirely from translucent red or blue plastic and leaving the eyes and back of the head unpainted. Thundercracker was part of the second wave of HOCs.

* '''Decepticon''' (2003)

: Thundercracker was also available in a six-pack with Starscream, Skywarp and three [[Air Warrior]]s. This set was offered by [[3H Productions|3H]] at [[The Official Transformers Collectors Convention|OTFCC 2003]] and elsewhere.

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===MyClone===
* '''Thundercracker''' (2003)

: A redeco of [[MyClone]] Starscream, Thundercracker a small [[super deformed]] figure who, due to a generic base body, can be easily disassembled and have his parts swapped with other MyClones. Thundercracker was a [[chase figure]] in the second wave of Transformers MyClones, along with [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Lava Galvatron]].

===Titanium Series===
[[Image:Titanium-toy RMThundercracker.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Complete with rocket exhaust. Or possibly [[Goo]]. Or possibly oh dear god please let it be rocket exhaust or Goo.]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (3" Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Display stand

: A redeco of "Robot Masters" Starscream, Thundercracker is a small, non-transforming die-cast metal figurine based on his cartoon [[character model]]. He is sculpted holding a gun in his left hand and stretching out his right arm, while using his feet-jets to fly up.
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===Robot Heroes===
[[Image:Robotheroesjazzthundercracker.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Now who's geeky?]]
* '''Jazz Vs Thundercracker''' (2007)

: A redeco of ''[[Robot Heroes]]'' Starscream, Thundercracker is a two inch high figure sculpted in a [[super deformed]] style and articulated at the shoulders. He was available in a two-pack with [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]. This mold was later redecoed as Skywarp in the "Decepticon Sneak Attack" set.

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===Palisades===
[[Image:PalisadesThundercracker.jpg|thumb|Thundercracker [[Wikipedia:Jeff Dunham|on a ''stiiick'']].]]
* '''Thundercracker''' (Palisades, 2005)

:A [[Palisades|Palisades Direct]]-exclusive redeco of the Starscream statue, Thundercracker is a six inch tall polystone statue with articulated head and arms. He can stand normally or use a stand to take on a "hovering" pose. Thundercracker was limited to 300 pieces, and sculpted by [[3L Creation Group]] from a design by [[George Tremarco]].

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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
* '''Thundercracker''' (Diamond Select, 2008)

:An NYCC [[exclusive]], Thundercracker was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]] and limited to 400 pieces.

==Notes==
* The mold for ''Machine Wars'' Thundercracker was originally developed for ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', but was canceled when that line went under. It is unknown if it was intended to be a new character or a recurring one, though odds are it would have been later [[Redeco|redecoed]] into a recurring character if the former was true.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Thundercracker/thundercracker.htm Thundercracker at TFU.info]
*[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Thundercracker Thundercracker's Universe profile at NTFA.net]
*[http://www.toybin.org/search.php?q=1984+Decepticon+Thundercracker ToyBin Thundercracker Toy Gallery]

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[[Category: Henkei! Henkei! characters]]
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Talk:Skywarp (G1)

2009-11-04T04:01:26Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

In all seriousness, I'd support a 'Seeker' category. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:05, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

==Not Intelligent?==

Skywarp's (GEN 1) tech-specs did indeed describe himi as being not terribly bright. HOWEVER: On the graph thingy, Skywapr's intelligence weighed in at '''9'''. Anyone understand this?[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 20:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:From the page itself, conveniently located at "article" above-

:(Note: For some reason, the stats on Skywarp's, Starscream's and Thundercracker's tech specs were switched around. Skywarp was given Starscream's numbers, which explains his high intelligence and rank.)

:-[[User:LV|LV]] 22:06, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

==Speed?==

Skywarp's (GEN 1) speed was 7, the same as most of the Autobot cars, and actually ''slower'' than Optimus Prime. Prime is a tractor-trailer, Skywarp is a fighter jet! WTF?[[User:71.34.68.213|71.34.68.213]] 20:34, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

:First: Actually, Skywarp's speed was 10, though that was intended for Starscream; Thundercracker's speed, meant for Skywarp, was 9. It was Machine Wars Skywarp that had speed 7.
:Second: Tech spec numbers are often really weird, and Prime's in particular are consistently very high. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 23:10, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, it was just Skywarp's and Starscream's stats that were switched. Thundercracker's stats are correct. Bob Budanski's stat grid for the 1984 line confirms this. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:43, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Subtitle error ==

I kinda feel tempted to add how dutch subtitles for G1 embaressingly call him stanwell in the key to vector sigma,but i also feel it's not worth adding. So i'm gonna need the opinion of a few other people here. [[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 20:35, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:I don't recall Skywarp being in either part of The Key to Vector Sigma. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::I'll check my dvd's to make sure which ep it was. there's many embaressing mistakes in the subtitles,Huffer interestingly becomes hauler,Prowl becomes "POW!",Motormaster becomes Movefastor,etc etc etc. Also there was either Autobods or Ottobots,I'd Have to check which one it is.[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 21:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::That's not a subtle subtitle error! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:42, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
:::How is it not one? -- [[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 19:34, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Look up the word 'subtle', then you'll know why it's not subtle. [[User:Jeep!|Jeep!]] 02:08, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oops i missed the word "subtle" there. [[User:Rhinox555|Decepticon Rhinox]] 18:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Universe Toy - Forward-Swept Wings? ==

Same problem as Jhiaxus: Skywarp's Universe toy is a redeco of Jetstorm. Jetstorm normally has forward-swept wings in vehicle mode. The pic of his toy on this page has them swept back. Is this correct for the character? When he appeard in the Wreckers comic in this body, in vehicle mode, which way did his wings point? Or did he never appear in vehicle mode in this body? [[User:JW|JW]] 16:14, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== Stairs ==

Maybe I'm just missing something, but where did the whole "pushing down the stairs" gag start? [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 05:17, 28 April 2009 (EDT)
:I'm confused about that too. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:21, 19 September 2009 (EDT)
:: Seriously, where DOES that joke come from? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 23:01, 3 November 2009 (EST)

Talk:The Transformers: Spotlight

2009-10-30T09:18:57Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Actually, Steve-o, the thing about the titles of the books on the inside cover is that the way they parse it differs from issue to issue. We had a tiff about that earlier. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:44, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I checked a bunch of talk pages before doing it... sorry. It wasn't mentioned on the talk for IDW, Spotlight, or Spotlight Hot Rod... where is it? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:27, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
: Apparently on the comments on the history of this page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:36, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Would anybody mind too much if I sorted the information into a kind of grid?, with a column for character, co-stars, artist, writer, release date? it just strikes me as being much easier than three subsequent lists. --[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 07:33, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:...why do we ''have'' this metadata in the spotlight article? It's pointless for somethign that is essentially a series of 1-shots. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Uh.... yeah. Especially since Furman doesn't write all of them... I say drop the metadata and just have a list of issues. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::Um, yeah. So... why's this stuff still here? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

So I was at an elementary school Scholastic Book Fair recently and found a paperback Transformers tpb that collected Spotlights for Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus, Grimlock, Shockwave, Soundwave, and Ramjet. It wasn't library bound, and didn't really have any indications of being Spotlights. (as if all the relevant info had been minimized to make the book more accessible to second graders)

Any idea what this is? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 07:54, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:Did you buy it? If so, any way to scan the covers and interior credits? [[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 09:01, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
::Sounds like this list item: "Six Spotlight issues were also library bound and available for sale through ABDO Publishing Group and its aptly named subsidiary, Spotlight." --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:10, 29 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Sounded like that to me, too, but this has a paper back cover, and I always thought library bound referred to those extra thick hardback covers library books have. I did buy it, but why would I scan it? [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 05:18, 30 October 2009 (EDT)

Talk:The Transformers: Spotlight

2009-10-29T11:54:53Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Talk:Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes

2009-08-20T23:42:17Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

... You know, if it's going to be "popular" alternate modes, it should be a form that at least, you know, more than two people share. I say three seperate characters (if not three different MOLDS) is the bare minimum. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Me, I'd say five to six characters, with preferably a minimum of three or four different "molds" (since some of these bodies/characters may end up as fiction-only). Rampant redecoing is kinda cheating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I think we also have to be kind of tough on what counts. For cars, it should be same make and model. For critters, though, I'm gonna have to go with same general species. "Scorpions" seems acceptable to me, but "birds" doesn't. You'd have to do something more like "falcons" or "eagles" for it to seem alright. I dunno why. Also, what do we do with Fuzors? I'm kind of loath to include the Sharkticons and Seacons and shit, but, say, Overbite's bio identifies him as a "shark," while Snapdragon's just calls him a "reptile." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::: For invertebrates, I don't know HasTak have ever made multiple distinct species, so the way we count scorpions and crabs is fine. Spiders might be the exception there. The vertebrate section, however, is a MESS. We have a "wolves" section that excludes the domestic subspecies of Canis lupus, and then an entire order of mammals lumped together as "bats". Vertebrates should probably be broken down by species, although that makes a mess of bears. Breaking it down by genus, though, would lump together the lions, tigers, and jaguars... which is just wrong. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::This just seems to be the way humans think about other animals--there's a strong pro-mammal bias. Every child can identify mammal species on sight ("wolf," "lion," "tiger," "gorilla"), but more distantly related animals are usually known only at the order or even subclass level ("parrot", "shark"). Their kind all look alike. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Aaron Archer doesn't care about black-winged Macaws (or whatever). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Indeed Thy, I was thinking just that as I wrote it. It's what we're stuck with though, since HasTak really DID make the crabs and scorpions to all look alike. The ones we need to clean up are "bats" and "sharks"... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, aside from K-9, have there BEEN any other TF non-wolf-canines? That hyena guy, I guess. I think the other issue is that "lions" is gonna have twelve guys, tops. "Big cats" is more like 40 guys. If we're going to do this at ALL, we should err on the side of making it manageable, and if that means dividing mammals more than dividing invertebrates, then I'm all for it. (also, seriously, we need a "two headed monster" category.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Hoop, hyenas are Feliforms. ''Canis'' is just wolves (including the domestic dog and dingo), the coyote, and jackals. :) -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think this page is a useful reference whenever three or more characters from multiple molds share a vehicle mode. In the case of rampant redecoing, that mold's section on each character's toy page covers the body-sharing, so we should delete things like the Volkswagen Beetle. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::We are getting a section on Tigers, right? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind seeing this article changed from "popular" to "shared," and have no numerical restrictions, just list all specific alt modes that more than one character uses. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Then we're basically making the page utterly redundant and useless, since we're talking what, half the TF cast? 
: This is looking at the phenomenon of certain alternate mode models popping up more often than others, and across multiple unique toy molds. There are a LOT of unique Dassault Rafale jets in TFdom. A LOT of that Fizzle-style Baja Buggy. A LOT of those huge earth-mover dump-trucks. Two characters having the same altmode over almost 25 years doesn't quite impress, especially considering the sheer amount of redecoing of molds going on. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, with the section on beast modes containing only lions, tigers, and bears, it's practically crying out for an "Oh My" header. Any Transformers that turn into beasts that are so utterly bizarre no one has any idea what they hell they are? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Enough of them that are similar enough to each other to make up a listing on this page? Without checking, I'd say "probably not". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The only "monster" types I could even remotely entertain doing an entry here for would be "two headed dragon" (Hun-Grarararrrrugh, Doublecross, etc.) and "bug monster" (Repugnus, Repugnus) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Requirements and cleanup==
I think it's time we took a serious look at this page. It's currently a damn sprawling mess. 
# First of all... let's decide on a "minimum requirements". I think the primary one should be "at least three unique 'molds' across as many different characters", (which would include instances like the IDW characters who have different model altmodes from their originals). 
# Next... what counts as "close enough"? Neither make of Ferrari goes over two molds, but the two makes are pretty damn close visually. 
# Let me propose this as an alternate method of listing to cut waaaaaay back on vertical space... it would need to be noted up top that these are grouped by mold, but still.

:* [[Side Burn (RID)|''RID'' Side Burn]] / [[Roulette]] / [[Shadow Striker]]

:* ''RID'' Side Burn ([[Spy Changer]]) / [[Jazz (G1)#Universe|G1 Jazz (''Universe'')]]

:* [[Sideswipe (G1)#Alternators|G1 Sideswipe (''Alternators'')]] / [[Dead End (G1)#Alternators|Dead End (''Alternators'')]] / [[Sunstreaker#Alternators/Binaltech Asterisk|Sunstreaker (''Alternators'')]]

:* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (IDW comic, non-toy appearance)

Just kicking around stuff. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Three molds" is definitely the right threshold. For the vehicles, your format looks good. None of the vehicular mold mates on this list are retooled to represent different models, so it works. Animal mold mates DO get turned into different species, though. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

: I can get behind "three molds," most def. I would argue that with autos, it should be make and model, but not necessarily year. The Mustang gets in, because there are three Mustang TFs, even though one is a first-gen and the other two are fifth-gen. The Ferraris don't, I don't think, 'cause they're different models. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I've only left the Ferraris in because you'd think that, like the Porsches and Lamborghinis, at least ''one'' of their supercars would have a mold threepeat in the 23-year history of the brand and it just wasn't coming to mind. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Would Dromaeosauridae (raptors and Deinonychus) count? It's got a mold (''Beast Wars'' Dinobot) shared by three characters, another mold (Transmetal 2 Dinobot) shared by two characters, and a retool (Thrustor) for one character. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:'''No'''. We should only include individual species of vertebrates. "Dromaeosauridae" is waaay out of line, and there are only two unique molds anyway. The list you're making in the Sandbox is really flawed, with a "Walrus" list consisting entirely of a Pretender shell being indicative of how problematic it is. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::That list only exists so I can keep track of how many Transformers fall under whatever classification. I'm not going to place it in here. Jesus, no. Regardless, the reason I put in "Dromaeosauridae" is because people can't seem to make up their mind on what exact species the two molds are. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==On Beasts...==
Or, more accurately, Beast Wars. I gotta be honest. I'm... not really thinking that including BW is a good idea, and I'm even questioning "beast modes" altogether. I mean... "Bears" is not the same level of specific classification as "Dassault Rafales". Which was kind of the point of the article... "ain't there a lot of Dassault Rafales" is considerably more curious than "ain't there a lot of sorta t-rexes", given the wide variety of fighter jet makes. 
And even with the fudging made to avoid licensing on many a vehicle mode... it's nowhere as much fudging as the likes of the Cheetor mold, which has been used to be a cheetah, a tiger and a panther, three pretty damn different types of big cat. BM probably not either. Most of the organic beast modes are... really, really vague and bad representations of actual animals, as much so as the wholly-mechanical ones where Ravage being a jaguar is mostly a matter of "okay, if you say so". Damn guy could be a puma, cheetah, cougar... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeeah. While I like the concept, it all needs too much hand-waving for my liking. We have to pack all spiders together to make a decent list, even though the species are as different as lions are to tigers. Arbitrary criteria isn't something we can do away with in animals. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I freely admit I added the beast section in the first place because I wanted to mock this article. That said, I think it's a legitimate section (albeit of an article I find silly.)
::...you should dump the fuzors though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Beast split==

I'm going to remove the beasts from this page and create one called "Popular beast modes" if there is no objection. The feeling seems to be that having lists for Gorilla, Canis, Tyrannosaurus, etc. is useful but can't be measured by the same standard as "Man, there sure are a lot of Lamborghini Diablos". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

==Brawl is not an Abrams==

Well, no more than the Rattler is an A-10. He was a repurposed "stealth tank" from ''XXX: State of the Union''. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siren/RX-7 ==

Since two people seem to be against me on this I figured I'd post some photographic proof:
[http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/go-rx7.jpg]

Note the lack of secondary headlights on the Supra that are clearly present on the RX-7, among other glaringly obvious differences. I hope that clears everything up. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Detour, being a mechanic. Siren/Go Shooter is much more like a FC3S 2nd Generation RX-7 then the Supra. I can see why people might think it's a Mark II or Mark III of Toyota's turn from Celica Supra to just plain Supra, but the FC3S has more of the little details that show that it's more like it. Also the rear lights on the Siren/Go Shooter toy have more of the curvature of a RX-7 FC3S Savanna.

:[http://tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GoShooter/goshooter.htm Siren]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mk3_supra.jpg Supra]
:[http://auto.indiamart.com/cars/photo-gallery/gifs/car91b.jpg RX-7]

:Note Siren's (okay, Go Shuta's - Siren's hood emblem is more distracting) centerline hood bump, absent on any of the appropriate model-year RX-7s, as well as the prominent front fender. Also notice the lack of an air intake on the toy as seen on the FC3S. If you ask me, the problem here is that the animators have decided to draw some other car for the cartoon - much like they did with all the Combaticons.

:I find it highly unlikely that two white cars were both intended by Hasbro and Takara to be RX-7s in the same year. Getaway is inarguably an RX-7 Turbo II.

:I don't care enough about this page to try to decide how this affects Siren's listing on it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:This isn't my area of expertise at all, but, if there is a seemingly legitimate uncertainty due to hybridized features or something, it is far better to explicitly note this in the article (regardless of where he's placed) than to just pick one or the other with no explanation. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The example you used in your photos is the FB3S, the first generation of the RX-7 line, not a good example. Also the FC3S came without the hood air intake also, just it's difficult to find a photo of one on short notice, the one pictured was the Savanna model, the more sporty version.

:It's like Proto said, not all models of the RX-7 came with a hood air intake. Here's one without: [http://www.pro-imports.ie/images/rx7001.jpg]. Steve-O, I don't think there's uncertainty since I pretty much recognized Siren as being an RX-7 right away. I'm a Supra worshipper... if Siren was a Supra, I'd have recognized it and I'd be the first one flipping out with joy over it and pointing it out on the respective articles.
:Also, what's wrong with having two distinct toys sharing an alt mode in the same year? 1984 gave us two different Lamborghini toys, didn't it? And in 1985 we got both Camshaft and the RX-7 Minispy.
::You have yet to address the blatant difference in the front fascia between the matching Siren and Supra and the RX-7, as well as centerline hood bulge, which still do not match using your new picture. Removal of the hood air intake does not make the lines of the front end or hood match. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Big Trucks ==

Did someone forgot to put the Peterbilt 379 in this section? Optimus turns into a civilian vehicle.
:The word you're missing is "Popular." In other words, something more than one Transformer turns into. Please read! It's essential. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You and I know how many semi trucks are there in the G1 Series.([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC))

==Space Shuttles==
There is already three space shuttles can you please put it down on the article? Astrotrain, Jetfire and Sky Lynx are the same American Space Shuttles.([[User:76.213.157.97|76.213.157.97]] 00:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC))
:Jetfire has never been an American space shuttle. His Armada form is ''similar'' but still quite Cybertronian. [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] however qualifies easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::There's also Mach, the Micromaster Combiners shuttle, the Sixwing component, and Galaxy Shuttle. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Military tanks ==

Since this only includes one particular tank, I don't think it needs its own sub-heading. I propose it and "Military aircraft" be combined into "Military vehicles", or "Military hardware". Any objections? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Works for me. Military ground vehicles outside of the "traditional" tanks don't seem to be too common in TFdom, do they. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Aircraft ==

Are you sure that many transformers turn into F-15s and F-22s?([[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] 23:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC))

==Nissan Z==
With Classics Prowl well on his way, would the Z series be considered a popular altmode, given the 280Z (Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen), the 300ZX (Streetwise) and the 350Z (Classics Prowl)? --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 21:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])

== Aircraft Carriers ==
What about them? We have [[Flattop]], [[Broadside (G1)]] and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)]] and maybe some more which I'm not aware of. That's enough, or not? I'm not sure where to put them, "military vehicles" or "miscallenous". --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 22:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:To be fair, Flattop's alt mode is a jet, he just comes with another jet that turns into an aircraft carrier. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::[[Majin Zarak]] qualifies, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'm kind of loath to do "aircraft carrier" because that's kind of vague - if Recharge were here, he could probably clarify, but I'm pretty sure that "aircraft carrier" is like "racing motorcycle" - there are a lot of different designs out there, and some of them are probably fudged for TFs sake. If someone who knew what they were talking about (like 'Charge) could actually sit down and go "Tidal Wave, Broadside, and Flattop's carrier are all ''Nimitz''-class carriers or close enough," then go for it. Otherwise it's like saying that Groove, Glide, and RiD Axer all belong together because they're touring bikes. (note that I don't think this is gonna happen, because Tidal Wave's carrier is basically a marginally better depiction of an aircraft carrier than Grandus.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm with Hoop on this. I mean, we do have one kinda-vague set, the Baja buggy... but at least that one has a fairly hefty group of dudes in that form (plus I don't know if there even IS a "brand" for them). If you're kinda struggling for three... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I also had that thought about the necessity of specific types/classes of carriers when I wrote the initial post, but then again I thought that Aircraft carriers should be treated as a single group, mainly because the TF Aircraft carrier-designs are pretty generic and stylized and those differences and details which an expert would look for at real carriers are simply not present at those lil' toys. I mean, to make a car into an 4" toy, it only has to be downsized to a scale of 1:50 or so, to make a 4 inch toy out of an aircraft carrier means a scale of 1:"severalhundred". Thus a lot more details are ironed out. But it's your decision, not mine. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 23:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:: If I felt that the TF aircraft carriers were designed with even a REMOTE eye for accuracy, I'd be more willing to consider it, but as it stands, the TF carriers are all *very* crude approximations, even taking toy scale into issue - they're better at being aircraft carriers than say, Grandus or Majin Zarak, but they're all still basically "big flat thing with a little towery bit=aircraft carrier." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Dassault Rafaele ==

G2 Eagle Eye is listed here as a Rafaele, but his page calls him a EF2000 Eurofighter. Which is it? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== Construction Vehicles ==
For a project I'm working on, I'd like to be able to source the various construction vehicles. I think quite a few fulfil the rules above. One problem is the two sides of the Atlantic use different terms. On the east we use terms like cement mixers, diggers and er, other terms I haven't used since I was 6! [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Motorcycles ==
Likewise for the same reasons above. Specific model types of motor-cycles (as is applied to cars) might be being a bit too strict. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==VW Beetle==
Um... IDW Goldbug doesn't actually turn into a VW, does he? I thought he was a Cybertronian whatever. So we're still at only two for this one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:IDW Goldbug doesn't turn into a VW, but surely the Goldbug toy that he's based on is still associated with the character. Besides ... Donald Duck, completely separate character, so whether or not you count Goldbug, we're at three. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:38, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::I don't know that I would consider the original Goldbug toy an IDW Goldbug. Especially since it was designed to be a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee and ''was'' a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee for over 20 years. Donald Duck is the only VW Beetle toy that was not first made and marketed as the Bumblebee character. Until we get a VW Beetle toy that is ''explicitly'' supposed to be IDW Goldbug, we shouldn't include him. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:55, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The requirement isn't that the toy is first made and marketed as a new character though, just that it exists. Characters like Volks and Bugbite and Glyph certainly count as a different mold/character use, even if they were Bumblebee first. As for repurposed toys, I think they're totally valid. You MIGHT hang an argument on the idea that the Goldbug toy doesn't match up with the IDW body depiction of the character, but that's a slippery slope. Animated Blackouts only ever appears as a Cybertronian jet, but you'd still associate his character with the Earth mode helicopter toy, no? Long story short, Beetles have many, many molds and many, many characters. This includes at least 3, possibly 4, unique character/mold designations. At this point, to not include him would be silly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:34, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, the requirement is at least that an existing toy repurposed is officially stated to be that certain other character, I would think? The Animated Blackout toy is officially Blackout even if we never see him in fiction as the Earth helicopter. And folks like the Shattered Glass characters are officially shown/said to be certain toys. But we got zip that officially says or shows that IDW Goldbug = toy Goldbug. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:46, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Really? Would you seriously put forth the proposition that the IDW Throttlebots are not based on the Throttlebot toys? The funny thing is, it doesn't even matter for this argument. With or without Goldbug, Beetles qualify. I therefor propose that we move this discussion over to the [[Goldbug (IDW)]] page where it belongs.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'd put forth that they're based on the Throttlebot ''characters'', obviously. Whether they're based on the toys is another matter entirely, considering that they don't even have Earth modes yet to judge from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:08, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, Beetles would ''not'' qualify. Every VW Beetle mold that is not Donald Duck was first designed for and sold as the character of Bumblebee, even if one was Bumblebee with a different name. Redecos are not qualifications, new characters or not, otherwise this list would be way, way longer. And it is kind of pointless to go "look, a toy of the exact same character as another toy shares an altmode!", so "World's Smallest" toys are out too. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:56, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Siph, I love you but you're just flat out wrong on this. The qualifications listed on the page are: "There must be at least three unique toy molds (or in-fiction appearances, in the case of non-toy bodies/characters) that share the model. There must also be at least one unique character per mold." We never say anything about 'the first use of the mold has to be a different character than the first use of the other molds.' If you think that the requirement for inclusion should change, well, that's a completely separate argument. We've got three characters across three molds - let's say World's Smallest/Bumblebee, 1984 VW mold/Bug Bite, and the Disney Label / Donald Duck here. It doesn't matter that Bug Bite shares a mold with Bumblebee. If it did, then every time a later redeco comes out that homages an earlier character, we'd have to go and start removing popular alt modes, and that's lunacy.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:13, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Then the top is worded wrong. Look at the other lists as they are now. Not a one counts same-character-same-altmode-different-toys to get up to three, because "three different molds made for three different characters" is what we've been using as the yardstick. And I have no clue what you're on about for removing entries based on later homages. The point is ''the original toys' design intent''. That so many different toy molds were developed to be different characters yet kept going back to specific vehicle makes is the point of the article. It is ''not'' interesting when a single character has a bunch of different molds all based on a single alternate mode. That's ''expected''. Nor is it interesting when a mold is redecoed to be another character; that too is very very commonplace. We list each mold's redecos out of completeness/linking-to-more-obscure-stuff's sake, not as a yardstick (and we shouldn't list same-character redecos like "Red Bumblebee" because ''holy fuck'' would that make some listings, such as the G2 Go-Bots molds, stupidly long for no good reason). It is the creation of an entirely new mold based on a recurring vehicle that is a character who hasn't been one of those yet (be it because they didn't exist previously or had another alternate mode) that's the oddity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::OK, the discussion becomes, what SHOULD the criteria for inclusion be, since apparently you're not happy with the way it's been listed out for the past, I dunno, year or so? I'm not sure I see how it's relevant what the designers intention is. I mean, technically, the 1984 Bumblebee toy wasn't intended to be Bumblebee, or even a real car, at all, right? It was intended to be a penny racer in the Microman line. So, then, you have one toy that was intended to be something not Bumblebee and repurposed and redecoed into a bunch of guys (including Bumblebee), then a few toys intended to be Bumblebee, then a toy intended to be Donald Duck. So we're STILL ok, even by the 'designer intention' criteria you proposed above. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

== Buses? ==

What's the feeling on buses? The article for Ironhide (Animated) says he's a minibus (although Cybertronian, so that may not count). Additionally, the school bus at Murray Wright High School has a notation that says it's actually the FOURTH bus Transformer. Granted, I think all these buses have been different models (double-decker, metro, school, etc.) so they still might not be appropriate... [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 12:22, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:For this article, we'd pretty much need to know the specific models of the buses - we can't just put "Bus" on the list. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:30, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, thought so. Most of the buses are all really small or really hidden, and even if I knew the models, they'd all be different. I should've thought of that. [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 19:42, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes

2009-08-20T16:22:51Z

Skyshock Thunderblast: /* Buses? */ new section

... You know, if it's going to be "popular" alternate modes, it should be a form that at least, you know, more than two people share. I say three seperate characters (if not three different MOLDS) is the bare minimum. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 03:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Me, I'd say five to six characters, with preferably a minimum of three or four different "molds" (since some of these bodies/characters may end up as fiction-only). Rampant redecoing is kinda cheating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:38, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I think we also have to be kind of tough on what counts. For cars, it should be same make and model. For critters, though, I'm gonna have to go with same general species. "Scorpions" seems acceptable to me, but "birds" doesn't. You'd have to do something more like "falcons" or "eagles" for it to seem alright. I dunno why. Also, what do we do with Fuzors? I'm kind of loath to include the Sharkticons and Seacons and shit, but, say, Overbite's bio identifies him as a "shark," while Snapdragon's just calls him a "reptile." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:11, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::: For invertebrates, I don't know HasTak have ever made multiple distinct species, so the way we count scorpions and crabs is fine. Spiders might be the exception there. The vertebrate section, however, is a MESS. We have a "wolves" section that excludes the domestic subspecies of Canis lupus, and then an entire order of mammals lumped together as "bats". Vertebrates should probably be broken down by species, although that makes a mess of bears. Breaking it down by genus, though, would lump together the lions, tigers, and jaguars... which is just wrong. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 23:06, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::::This just seems to be the way humans think about other animals--there's a strong pro-mammal bias. Every child can identify mammal species on sight ("wolf," "lion," "tiger," "gorilla"), but more distantly related animals are usually known only at the order or even subclass level ("parrot", "shark"). Their kind all look alike. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:49, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Aaron Archer doesn't care about black-winged Macaws (or whatever). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Indeed Thy, I was thinking just that as I wrote it. It's what we're stuck with though, since HasTak really DID make the crabs and scorpions to all look alike. The ones we need to clean up are "bats" and "sharks"... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, aside from K-9, have there BEEN any other TF non-wolf-canines? That hyena guy, I guess. I think the other issue is that "lions" is gonna have twelve guys, tops. "Big cats" is more like 40 guys. If we're going to do this at ALL, we should err on the side of making it manageable, and if that means dividing mammals more than dividing invertebrates, then I'm all for it. (also, seriously, we need a "two headed monster" category.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Hoop, hyenas are Feliforms. ''Canis'' is just wolves (including the domestic dog and dingo), the coyote, and jackals. :) -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:I think this page is a useful reference whenever three or more characters from multiple molds share a vehicle mode. In the case of rampant redecoing, that mold's section on each character's toy page covers the body-sharing, so we should delete things like the Volkswagen Beetle. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::We are getting a section on Tigers, right? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind seeing this article changed from "popular" to "shared," and have no numerical restrictions, just list all specific alt modes that more than one character uses. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Then we're basically making the page utterly redundant and useless, since we're talking what, half the TF cast? 
: This is looking at the phenomenon of certain alternate mode models popping up more often than others, and across multiple unique toy molds. There are a LOT of unique Dassault Rafale jets in TFdom. A LOT of that Fizzle-style Baja Buggy. A LOT of those huge earth-mover dump-trucks. Two characters having the same altmode over almost 25 years doesn't quite impress, especially considering the sheer amount of redecoing of molds going on. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, with the section on beast modes containing only lions, tigers, and bears, it's practically crying out for an "Oh My" header. Any Transformers that turn into beasts that are so utterly bizarre no one has any idea what they hell they are? - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 08:05, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Enough of them that are similar enough to each other to make up a listing on this page? Without checking, I'd say "probably not". --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The only "monster" types I could even remotely entertain doing an entry here for would be "two headed dragon" (Hun-Grarararrrrugh, Doublecross, etc.) and "bug monster" (Repugnus, Repugnus) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:31, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Requirements and cleanup==
I think it's time we took a serious look at this page. It's currently a damn sprawling mess. 
# First of all... let's decide on a "minimum requirements". I think the primary one should be "at least three unique 'molds' across as many different characters", (which would include instances like the IDW characters who have different model altmodes from their originals). 
# Next... what counts as "close enough"? Neither make of Ferrari goes over two molds, but the two makes are pretty damn close visually. 
# Let me propose this as an alternate method of listing to cut waaaaaay back on vertical space... it would need to be noted up top that these are grouped by mold, but still.

:* [[Side Burn (RID)|''RID'' Side Burn]] / [[Roulette]] / [[Shadow Striker]]

:* ''RID'' Side Burn ([[Spy Changer]]) / [[Jazz (G1)#Universe|G1 Jazz (''Universe'')]]

:* [[Sideswipe (G1)#Alternators|G1 Sideswipe (''Alternators'')]] / [[Dead End (G1)#Alternators|Dead End (''Alternators'')]] / [[Sunstreaker#Alternators/Binaltech Asterisk|Sunstreaker (''Alternators'')]]

:* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (IDW comic, non-toy appearance)

Just kicking around stuff. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:12, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

"Three molds" is definitely the right threshold. For the vehicles, your format looks good. None of the vehicular mold mates on this list are retooled to represent different models, so it works. Animal mold mates DO get turned into different species, though. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:25, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

: I can get behind "three molds," most def. I would argue that with autos, it should be make and model, but not necessarily year. The Mustang gets in, because there are three Mustang TFs, even though one is a first-gen and the other two are fifth-gen. The Ferraris don't, I don't think, 'cause they're different models. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:: I've only left the Ferraris in because you'd think that, like the Porsches and Lamborghinis, at least ''one'' of their supercars would have a mold threepeat in the 23-year history of the brand and it just wasn't coming to mind. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 01:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Would Dromaeosauridae (raptors and Deinonychus) count? It's got a mold (''Beast Wars'' Dinobot) shared by three characters, another mold (Transmetal 2 Dinobot) shared by two characters, and a retool (Thrustor) for one character. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:21, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:'''No'''. We should only include individual species of vertebrates. "Dromaeosauridae" is waaay out of line, and there are only two unique molds anyway. The list you're making in the Sandbox is really flawed, with a "Walrus" list consisting entirely of a Pretender shell being indicative of how problematic it is. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 03:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::That list only exists so I can keep track of how many Transformers fall under whatever classification. I'm not going to place it in here. Jesus, no. Regardless, the reason I put in "Dromaeosauridae" is because people can't seem to make up their mind on what exact species the two molds are. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 03:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==On Beasts...==
Or, more accurately, Beast Wars. I gotta be honest. I'm... not really thinking that including BW is a good idea, and I'm even questioning "beast modes" altogether. I mean... "Bears" is not the same level of specific classification as "Dassault Rafales". Which was kind of the point of the article... "ain't there a lot of Dassault Rafales" is considerably more curious than "ain't there a lot of sorta t-rexes", given the wide variety of fighter jet makes. 
And even with the fudging made to avoid licensing on many a vehicle mode... it's nowhere as much fudging as the likes of the Cheetor mold, which has been used to be a cheetah, a tiger and a panther, three pretty damn different types of big cat. BM probably not either. Most of the organic beast modes are... really, really vague and bad representations of actual animals, as much so as the wholly-mechanical ones where Ravage being a jaguar is mostly a matter of "okay, if you say so". Damn guy could be a puma, cheetah, cougar... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeeah. While I like the concept, it all needs too much hand-waving for my liking. We have to pack all spiders together to make a decent list, even though the species are as different as lions are to tigers. Arbitrary criteria isn't something we can do away with in animals. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 04:03, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I freely admit I added the beast section in the first place because I wanted to mock this article. That said, I think it's a legitimate section (albeit of an article I find silly.)
::...you should dump the fuzors though. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:38, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Beast split==

I'm going to remove the beasts from this page and create one called "Popular beast modes" if there is no objection. The feeling seems to be that having lists for Gorilla, Canis, Tyrannosaurus, etc. is useful but can't be measured by the same standard as "Man, there sure are a lot of Lamborghini Diablos". -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:11, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

==Brawl is not an Abrams==

Well, no more than the Rattler is an A-10. He was a repurposed "stealth tank" from ''XXX: State of the Union''. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:33, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

== Siren/RX-7 ==

Since two people seem to be against me on this I figured I'd post some photographic proof:
[http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t285/Detour84/TF/go-rx7.jpg]

Note the lack of secondary headlights on the Supra that are clearly present on the RX-7, among other glaringly obvious differences. I hope that clears everything up. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:47, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Detour, being a mechanic. Siren/Go Shooter is much more like a FC3S 2nd Generation RX-7 then the Supra. I can see why people might think it's a Mark II or Mark III of Toyota's turn from Celica Supra to just plain Supra, but the FC3S has more of the little details that show that it's more like it. Also the rear lights on the Siren/Go Shooter toy have more of the curvature of a RX-7 FC3S Savanna.

:[http://tfu.info/1988/Cybertron/GoShooter/goshooter.htm Siren]
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Mk3_supra.jpg Supra]
:[http://auto.indiamart.com/cars/photo-gallery/gifs/car91b.jpg RX-7]

:Note Siren's (okay, Go Shuta's - Siren's hood emblem is more distracting) centerline hood bump, absent on any of the appropriate model-year RX-7s, as well as the prominent front fender. Also notice the lack of an air intake on the toy as seen on the FC3S. If you ask me, the problem here is that the animators have decided to draw some other car for the cartoon - much like they did with all the Combaticons.

:I find it highly unlikely that two white cars were both intended by Hasbro and Takara to be RX-7s in the same year. Getaway is inarguably an RX-7 Turbo II.

:I don't care enough about this page to try to decide how this affects Siren's listing on it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:55, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:This isn't my area of expertise at all, but, if there is a seemingly legitimate uncertainty due to hybridized features or something, it is far better to explicitly note this in the article (regardless of where he's placed) than to just pick one or the other with no explanation. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:34, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The example you used in your photos is the FB3S, the first generation of the RX-7 line, not a good example. Also the FC3S came without the hood air intake also, just it's difficult to find a photo of one on short notice, the one pictured was the Savanna model, the more sporty version.

:It's like Proto said, not all models of the RX-7 came with a hood air intake. Here's one without: [http://www.pro-imports.ie/images/rx7001.jpg]. Steve-O, I don't think there's uncertainty since I pretty much recognized Siren as being an RX-7 right away. I'm a Supra worshipper... if Siren was a Supra, I'd have recognized it and I'd be the first one flipping out with joy over it and pointing it out on the respective articles.
:Also, what's wrong with having two distinct toys sharing an alt mode in the same year? 1984 gave us two different Lamborghini toys, didn't it? And in 1985 we got both Camshaft and the RX-7 Minispy.
::You have yet to address the blatant difference in the front fascia between the matching Siren and Supra and the RX-7, as well as centerline hood bulge, which still do not match using your new picture. Removal of the hood air intake does not make the lines of the front end or hood match. -[[User:LV|LV]] 01:18, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Big Trucks ==

Did someone forgot to put the Peterbilt 379 in this section? Optimus turns into a civilian vehicle.
:The word you're missing is "Popular." In other words, something more than one Transformer turns into. Please read! It's essential. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

You and I know how many semi trucks are there in the G1 Series.([[User:76.195.186.73|76.195.186.73]] 00:26, 4 December 2007 (UTC))

==Space Shuttles==
There is already three space shuttles can you please put it down on the article? Astrotrain, Jetfire and Sky Lynx are the same American Space Shuttles.([[User:76.213.157.97|76.213.157.97]] 00:01, 12 December 2007 (UTC))
:Jetfire has never been an American space shuttle. His Armada form is ''similar'' but still quite Cybertronian. [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] however qualifies easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
::There's also Mach, the Micromaster Combiners shuttle, the Sixwing component, and Galaxy Shuttle. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

== Military tanks ==

Since this only includes one particular tank, I don't think it needs its own sub-heading. I propose it and "Military aircraft" be combined into "Military vehicles", or "Military hardware". Any objections? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 23:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Works for me. Military ground vehicles outside of the "traditional" tanks don't seem to be too common in TFdom, do they. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Aircraft ==

Are you sure that many transformers turn into F-15s and F-22s?([[User:MARV 2000|MARV 2000]] 23:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC))

==Nissan Z==
With Classics Prowl well on his way, would the Z series be considered a popular altmode, given the 280Z (Prowl, Bluestreak, Smokescreen), the 300ZX (Streetwise) and the 350Z (Classics Prowl)? --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 21:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])

== Aircraft Carriers ==
What about them? We have [[Flattop]], [[Broadside (G1)]] and [[Tidal Wave (Armada)]] and maybe some more which I'm not aware of. That's enough, or not? I'm not sure where to put them, "military vehicles" or "miscallenous". --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 22:41, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
:To be fair, Flattop's alt mode is a jet, he just comes with another jet that turns into an aircraft carrier. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 01:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::[[Majin Zarak]] qualifies, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'm kind of loath to do "aircraft carrier" because that's kind of vague - if Recharge were here, he could probably clarify, but I'm pretty sure that "aircraft carrier" is like "racing motorcycle" - there are a lot of different designs out there, and some of them are probably fudged for TFs sake. If someone who knew what they were talking about (like 'Charge) could actually sit down and go "Tidal Wave, Broadside, and Flattop's carrier are all ''Nimitz''-class carriers or close enough," then go for it. Otherwise it's like saying that Groove, Glide, and RiD Axer all belong together because they're touring bikes. (note that I don't think this is gonna happen, because Tidal Wave's carrier is basically a marginally better depiction of an aircraft carrier than Grandus.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm with Hoop on this. I mean, we do have one kinda-vague set, the Baja buggy... but at least that one has a fairly hefty group of dudes in that form (plus I don't know if there even IS a "brand" for them). If you're kinda struggling for three... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:28, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
: I also had that thought about the necessity of specific types/classes of carriers when I wrote the initial post, but then again I thought that Aircraft carriers should be treated as a single group, mainly because the TF Aircraft carrier-designs are pretty generic and stylized and those differences and details which an expert would look for at real carriers are simply not present at those lil' toys. I mean, to make a car into an 4" toy, it only has to be downsized to a scale of 1:50 or so, to make a 4 inch toy out of an aircraft carrier means a scale of 1:"severalhundred". Thus a lot more details are ironed out. But it's your decision, not mine. --[[User:2A6|2A6]] 23:06, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:: If I felt that the TF aircraft carriers were designed with even a REMOTE eye for accuracy, I'd be more willing to consider it, but as it stands, the TF carriers are all *very* crude approximations, even taking toy scale into issue - they're better at being aircraft carriers than say, Grandus or Majin Zarak, but they're all still basically "big flat thing with a little towery bit=aircraft carrier." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 01:11, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Dassault Rafaele ==

G2 Eagle Eye is listed here as a Rafaele, but his page calls him a EF2000 Eurofighter. Which is it? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:24, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

== Construction Vehicles ==
For a project I'm working on, I'd like to be able to source the various construction vehicles. I think quite a few fulfil the rules above. One problem is the two sides of the Atlantic use different terms. On the east we use terms like cement mixers, diggers and er, other terms I haven't used since I was 6! [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Motorcycles ==
Likewise for the same reasons above. Specific model types of motor-cycles (as is applied to cars) might be being a bit too strict. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 10:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

==VW Beetle==
Um... IDW Goldbug doesn't actually turn into a VW, does he? I thought he was a Cybertronian whatever. So we're still at only two for this one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:49, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:IDW Goldbug doesn't turn into a VW, but surely the Goldbug toy that he's based on is still associated with the character. Besides ... Donald Duck, completely separate character, so whether or not you count Goldbug, we're at three. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:38, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::I don't know that I would consider the original Goldbug toy an IDW Goldbug. Especially since it was designed to be a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee and ''was'' a renamed/rebuilt Bumblebee for over 20 years. Donald Duck is the only VW Beetle toy that was not first made and marketed as the Bumblebee character. Until we get a VW Beetle toy that is ''explicitly'' supposed to be IDW Goldbug, we shouldn't include him. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:55, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::The requirement isn't that the toy is first made and marketed as a new character though, just that it exists. Characters like Volks and Bugbite and Glyph certainly count as a different mold/character use, even if they were Bumblebee first. As for repurposed toys, I think they're totally valid. You MIGHT hang an argument on the idea that the Goldbug toy doesn't match up with the IDW body depiction of the character, but that's a slippery slope. Animated Blackouts only ever appears as a Cybertronian jet, but you'd still associate his character with the Earth mode helicopter toy, no? Long story short, Beetles have many, many molds and many, many characters. This includes at least 3, possibly 4, unique character/mold designations. At this point, to not include him would be silly. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:34, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Well, the requirement is at least that an existing toy repurposed is officially stated to be that certain other character, I would think? The Animated Blackout toy is officially Blackout even if we never see him in fiction as the Earth helicopter. And folks like the Shattered Glass characters are officially shown/said to be certain toys. But we got zip that officially says or shows that IDW Goldbug = toy Goldbug. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:46, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Really? Would you seriously put forth the proposition that the IDW Throttlebots are not based on the Throttlebot toys? The funny thing is, it doesn't even matter for this argument. With or without Goldbug, Beetles qualify. I therefor propose that we move this discussion over to the [[Goldbug (IDW)]] page where it belongs.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'd put forth that they're based on the Throttlebot ''characters'', obviously. Whether they're based on the toys is another matter entirely, considering that they don't even have Earth modes yet to judge from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:08, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::No, Beetles would ''not'' qualify. Every VW Beetle mold that is not Donald Duck was first designed for and sold as the character of Bumblebee, even if one was Bumblebee with a different name. Redecos are not qualifications, new characters or not, otherwise this list would be way, way longer. And it is kind of pointless to go "look, a toy of the exact same character as another toy shares an altmode!", so "World's Smallest" toys are out too. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:56, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Siph, I love you but you're just flat out wrong on this. The qualifications listed on the page are: "There must be at least three unique toy molds (or in-fiction appearances, in the case of non-toy bodies/characters) that share the model. There must also be at least one unique character per mold." We never say anything about 'the first use of the mold has to be a different character than the first use of the other molds.' If you think that the requirement for inclusion should change, well, that's a completely separate argument. We've got three characters across three molds - let's say World's Smallest/Bumblebee, 1984 VW mold/Bug Bite, and the Disney Label / Donald Duck here. It doesn't matter that Bug Bite shares a mold with Bumblebee. If it did, then every time a later redeco comes out that homages an earlier character, we'd have to go and start removing popular alt modes, and that's lunacy.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:13, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Then the top is worded wrong. Look at the other lists as they are now. Not a one counts same-character-same-altmode-different-toys to get up to three, because "three different molds made for three different characters" is what we've been using as the yardstick. And I have no clue what you're on about for removing entries based on later homages. The point is ''the original toys' design intent''. That so many different toy molds were developed to be different characters yet kept going back to specific vehicle makes is the point of the article. It is ''not'' interesting when a single character has a bunch of different molds all based on a single alternate mode. That's ''expected''. Nor is it interesting when a mold is redecoed to be another character; that too is very very commonplace. We list each mold's redecos out of completeness/linking-to-more-obscure-stuff's sake, not as a yardstick (and we shouldn't list same-character redecos like "Red Bumblebee" because ''holy fuck'' would that make some listings, such as the G2 Go-Bots molds, stupidly long for no good reason). It is the creation of an entirely new mold based on a recurring vehicle that is a character who hasn't been one of those yet (be it because they didn't exist previously or had another alternate mode) that's the oddity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:30, 9 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::OK, the discussion becomes, what SHOULD the criteria for inclusion be, since apparently you're not happy with the way it's been listed out for the past, I dunno, year or so? I'm not sure I see how it's relevant what the designers intention is. I mean, technically, the 1984 Bumblebee toy wasn't intended to be Bumblebee, or even a real car, at all, right? It was intended to be a penny racer in the Microman line. So, then, you have one toy that was intended to be something not Bumblebee and repurposed and redecoed into a bunch of guys (including Bumblebee), then a few toys intended to be Bumblebee, then a toy intended to be Donald Duck. So we're STILL ok, even by the 'designer intention' criteria you proposed above. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:54, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

== Buses? ==

What's the feeling on buses? The article for Ironhide (Animated) says he's a minibus (although Cybertronian, so that may not count). Additionally, the school bus at Murray Wright High School has a notation that says it's actually the FOURTH bus Transformer. Granted, I think all these buses have been different models (double-decker, metro, school, etc.) so they still might not be appropriate... [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 12:22, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Talk:The Revenge of Bruticus

2009-08-05T04:53:31Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

Compare the drawing in the upper right of The Transformers > Season 2 > Episode 47 ("I asked you a question, buddy -- what's the square root of 5,248?") with the Gary Larson cartoon on the second page of http://www.ksbe.edu/pase/pdf/journal/vol5/spr/1994v5Sp12.pdf. {{unsigned|66.245.10.34}}

Did they explain why, if Megatron can reprogram Bruticus to be loyal, he never once tries to do the same thing to Starscream?!?[[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 00:53, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

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2009-06-09T18:31:07Z

Skyshock Thunderblast:

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Welcome to the wiki! Please do not make so many minor edits in a row, for they're crowding out our Recent Changes page. Thanks! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:10, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sorry about that~ I think I've got the hang of it now. Is there any way I can prevent that from happening when I do small changes? (Alternatively, I'll just try to be perfect from now on...) [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:27, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
::As the template above shows, use the preview button.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:29, 9 June 2009 (EDT)
Got it. Thanks for the help~ and again, sorry about the mess![[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:31, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

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2009-06-09T18:27:29Z

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Welcome to the wiki! Please do not make so many minor edits in a row, for they're crowding out our Recent Changes page. Thanks! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:10, 9 June 2009 (EDT)

Sorry about that~ I think I've got the hang of it now. Is there any way I can prevent that from happening when I do small changes? (Alternatively, I'll just try to be perfect from now on...) [[User:Skyshock Thunderblast|Skyshock Thunderblast]] 14:27, 9 June 2009 (EDT)