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==TF Refs==
''During the fight between the humans and Frenzy in Hoover Dam's communication room, Reggie brandishes a flamethrower and yells "Buuuurrrnnn!" twice while using it, referencing the Beast Wars character Inferno.''
This sounds like a reeeeeal stretch to me. Unless we've heard from the production crew that this was the intention, it seems a bit too generic to be a true reference. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:48, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

:Another thing about the refs. In Mission city Optimus says to Megatron "It's just you and me Megatron". Well, in The Unicorn Battles just before they fight, Galvatron says the same thing to Optimus.--[[User:Closetjedi|Closetjedi]] 02:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

::If it's a reference to anything, it's to [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 02:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:::That's true. I had to rewatch it. Also, that reminded me that in the movie Megatron has fallen under the ice, like Skyfire in G1--[[User:Closetjedi|Closetjedi]] 03:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

::::The latter is way too much of a stretch to be a reference. "Ancient thing frozen in ice gets thawed out and comes to life" is a fictional plot device as old as time. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== (Movie) ==

Why is this not at "Transformers (Movie)" when ''every other article'' relating to this movie which needs a (disambig) uses (Movie)? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:51, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:Because that would be confusing when there is a [[The Transformers: The Movie]] - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:05, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Under 'Notes' ==

Would it be worth noting that there was a rip-off movie called 'Transmorphers' released in 2007 (plus a prequel in 2009 called 'Transmorphers: Fall of Man')? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:28, 22 April 2010 (EDT)
:Maybe a mention in the [[knockoff]]s article would be appropriate, lol -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 02:11, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

== Characters ==

What about the guy who was chained to the post with Simmons, who had his phone on speaker?—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:26, 3 January 2011 (EST)

what about the autobot generic who gets sphered by megatron in prime's record of cybertron {{unsigned|92.241.62.70|06:13, 28 January 2011 (EST)}}
:What about him? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 28 January 2011 (EST)

== Synopsis ==

Is the "synopsis" section based on the novelization or something? The way I remember the movie, it begins with a brief narration by Optimus Prime, then the largely unexplained (at the moment) attack on Qatar, leading into the movie proper. Or is this page meant to give a more general idea of the movie universe's chronology than a summary of its plot? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 23:41, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:It seems to be a proper synopsis with the flashbacks and background information about Megatron, Archibald Witwicky, and all that front-loaded so it's all in chronological order. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:43, 9 March 2011 (EST)
::I'm more concerned about the fact that the synopsis, which is supposed to be written in-universe, begins with "The film opens...". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:45, 9 March 2011 (EST)

== Errors! ==

You're not quoting the Movie, which is weird cos they mostly are of 98% '86 Movie, 2% non-'86 Movie. --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.32|69.19.14.32]] 15:10, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

== Furman didnt, Ryan did ==

Can we add near the bottom of the page that whilst Simon isn't a fan of the movies, Mark Ryan said at Auto Assembly 2011 that he is proud of his contributions to the movies? [[User:Durge|Durge]] 13:15, 26 December 2011 (EST)

== A-10 Error ==

I think it should be noted in the errors that the A-10 Thunderbolts were using GAU-8 machine guns, but the sounds were inaccurate. Also, part of the article calls the A-10 a fighter. It is a ground attack aircraft.

Talk:SOCCENT Forward Operations Base

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Hey, for what it's worth, the film (if I remember right) mentioned survivors BEFORE Lennox and co reported in. Think it's worth mentioning thee possibility of other survivors or not?

:Never happened. All they said was something along the lines of being unsure if there were any survivors or not. Sorta like, they haven't found any or been contacted, but they're hopeful. Even excluding that it happens off screen, the fact that they're so surprised and relived to hear about Lennox and the others (Keller: "Survivors?!") shows they've had no contact with anyone else.

Huh.
Almost positive some survivors were mentioned, but, hey, I only saw it once.
(I know, I should be shot)

:Keller said that as far as they know, there are no survivors. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.
Looks like I misremembered. Glad I asked before editing.

=="Did not suffer an attack..."==
I put that there intentionally, in the sense that the movie has been played as a cover-up plot by Sector 7. Originally many of the movie pages were written similarly, albeit more obviously. It seems they have been changed, so I concede the edit. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:51, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
:You know, I thought you might be going for something like that, but I wasn't sure. I only changed it because it said "did not suffered," so I figured it was a mix of different edits or something. It was just the odd grammar I was trying to edit. -annonymous user

== Forward Operating Base ==

This is not a very large detail, but it seems strange that a FOB would have aircraft like F-22s. FOBs generally are small and have small airstrips. Cargo aircraft generally will come in, but it is strange that fighter aircraft (Especially stealth) would be stationed at a base like this. Then again, this base appears to be rather large. This is just a thought.

Talk:Hudson steam locomotive Seeker

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These aren't really Seekers in the traditinal sense. So shouldn't we make a new category for them? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 18:30, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
:I would agree that the ROTF Seekers probably don't belong in the original Seekers category, though I'm not sure they really warrant a category of their own either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 21:43, 9 October 2009 (EDT)
Maybe a subcategory?[[Special:Contributions/70.50.199.215|70.50.199.215]] 21:45, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

I have a screencap for the [[Hudson_steam_locomotive_Seeker|Hudson steam locomotive Seeker]] but am unable to create a page to add the file. [[User:Hidanprime|Hidanprime]] ([[User talk:Hidanprime|talk]]) 22:58, 19 December 2016 (EST)

== Little Error ==

The section talking about this character in Revenge of The Fallen said that Simmons called him a Seeker. But, it was actually Wheelie who said that.

Talk:Barricade (Movie)

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==Rank==

Uhm, I feel kinda dumb for asking this, but what's actually his rank? Soundwave is communications officer and Starscream is Aircommander and SIC, but what about Barricade?--[[Special:Contributions/88.117.49.214|88.117.49.214]] 07:16, 30 September 2011 (EDT)

==Threatening Sam image==

HAHAHAHA! -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==He doesn't get blown up==
There's a crazy rumor flying around that Ironhide blew Barricade up during the big city battle just because he was near a black car when it exploded (when Blackout shot it) I wouldn't be surprised if it winds up getting posted here too, since wikipedia has already been hit with it.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I assume its the scene where Blackout then transforms (VERY quickly) and flies over Sam as the guy ducks. The prominent wheel that bounces has silver rims. Blackout has black. I think some rumour monger cited it on the wikipedia but it was quickly removed. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
==Premium Frenzy==
Frenzy: Is he or is he not included in Premium Barricade? Images of Premium Barricade seem to suggest no, but official info would be good. -Crosshairs-1

==Transformers 2 Baricade cars==
There are now police cars getting town around covan city or something, with pictures getting posted of it on the internet. This sugests that he actualy will apear in transformers 2.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Whelp! So much for a "thread for movie 2"!
::To be honest, i THINK he was the one who kidnapped Sam's parents, but i might be totally wrong. I hope the DVD gets released soon.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:53, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Rampage did it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==All Spark Enhanced Barricade==
On an auction site, I discovered that there was another deluxe figure called All Spark Enhanced Barricade, and after doing some research, I found that there indeed was such a figure. Frenzy comes in [[FIRRIB|red]]. Should we add that to the article? [[User:203.173.161.113|203.173.161.113]] 01:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Not until it has been officially announced by Hasbro and/or Takara. Until then, we have to assume that the toy in question is stolen or a knockoff, and therefor cannot be referenced in any articles. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Pretty sure the toy has been released already. Just no one's buying it because he's just Barricade with light blue paint added randomly. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry, I made an assumption based on the fact that it came from an auction site. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== ROTF ==

Hard to tell because he's seen so briefly, but it looks like Barricade (or someone with his body type) is kidnapping Sam's parents in Paris. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:47, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:Wait, what? Wasn't that Rampage? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:51, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::No. The one who captured them in Paris had legs. And a very Barricade-esque head. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:54, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::He's visible in the New Divide video. [http://emopanda.com/tmp/france-bot1.jpg] [http://emopanda.com/tmp/france-bot2.jpg] I dunno-- ''is'' that Barricade? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, that's one of the "hatchling" guys that meteors down to Earth for the final battle along with The Fallen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::I COULD make a screen cap to confirm, but trust me, it's either Barricade or ILM was too lazy to come up with an original model. [[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 05:57, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::It's not Barricade. It's a generic Decepticon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:27, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::After staring at his hand for almost half an hour wile pulling my face away from his head, it can't be barricade.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:15, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Perhaps it's Barricade, but returned to his protoform mode for reentry, so he needs to scan a new car? [[Special:Contributions/207.181.17.24|207.181.17.24]] 06:26, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::No, it's just a generic Decepticon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:37, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

== Barricade's fate ==

Something I found interesting while looking through Japanese Transformers clips.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1VsupXCePM&feature=related]Here, you'll see an extra shot of Barricade at about 1:15, watching him run and transform. The Backdrop looks to be under the bridge where Prime and Bonecrusher fought, so the Prime fighting Barricade could be true.

Why this footage never appeared outside of this trailer, I don't know. But it certainly sheds some light on his fate, at least to me.

I guess this isn't really needed...but I thought it was interesting, especially since it hasn't been mentioned.

Edit: Scratch that. I see that it was included in other adaptions. Oh well. At least we know there's footage for it.
:That's just Barricade chasing after Sam and Mikaela after they left in Bumblebee. After [[:Image:BarricadeVsSam.jpg|this]]. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:12, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

::Haven't seem the movie in a while, and that shot looked new to me.
Damn I'm an idiot. Guh. Thanks for clearing that up.

Feel free to take this out now.

== The Battle Bios "unused" head ==

I was watching Transformers Beginnings the other day, and when Starscream, Blackout and Barricade are on Mars, Barricade has the head from the Battle Bios site. The head is Barricade's Cybertronian head... well, first-movie fiction wise, since Barricade has a much more Earth-mode-esque head in Defiance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpR9q7JITeA at about 3:00. Check the movie prequel comics themselves, just to be safe.

== DOTM ==
[[Image:DOTM-Sidewaysstab.jpg|right|thumb|Seriously, for the love of God, he isn't Barricade.]]

Um, there's a guy in the Super Bowl spot with Barry's basic design, who clearly has the word "POLICE" on his arm (see [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2011/02/dotm-super-bowl-trailer-rewind-theatre_15.html this video] for frame-by-frame view of him). Should this be mentioned?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 5:10 PM, 21 February 2011 A.D.
: Where? I see no robot with POLICE on his arm. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:20, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:: 3:28 in the video I linked to previously. The guy Optimus stabs.
:: - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:46 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:::Yeah, I can't see ANY text on that guy's arm. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:00, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::There is none, and also that's Sideways. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:18, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::That just raises MORE questions! Last time I saw, he was a little... cut in half, lengthwise. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 02:28, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::Thanks to that high quality image, I now see the Sideways-y-ness. Sorry for the confusion.
::::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 11:30 PM, 23 February 2011 A.D.
I think it's Barricade because... SIDEWAYS GETS SLICED IN TWO!! And mabye he scanned a new vehice or paint job.-[[User:DinoDigger97]] 2:44
3 April 2011
:I've seen Transformers live through worst things than bisection. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:03, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Primus help them if they get shot in the [[shoulder]] though. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:03, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
The bot Optimus stabs is definitely Sideways (or someone that looks just like him). However... the recent video for Iridescent that Linkin Park put up on youtube (here;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c9F6SQI1ZM) does show a bot identical to Barricade, with the "POLICE" letterings clearly visible (at about 00:54). So... given that Barricade's "alive/dead" status isn't entirely clear even with word from John Barber, maybe he actually is in the film? -- [[User:Clifftothemax|Clifftothemax]] 02:17, 17 June 2011 (GMT)

==Extra pic==
So we don't lose this. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 17:21, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

[[Image:MovieBarricade render1.jpg|thumb|left|]]
:I like this better than the Heat Scramble one. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:21, 9 June 2011 (EDT)

==Stealth Force in DOTM Deluxe==
Hey all, just wanted to point out that Barricade's DOTM deluxe has what appears to be two guns molded inside his trunk kibble (which becomes his hip-fatteners in robot mode). Arguably, you can achieve a stealth-mode by raising his trunk in alt-mode kinda like DOTM Deluxe 'bee, but the guns are so small and hard to spot from most angles it looks more like Barricade's simply been left mistransformed. Can anyone here fiddle with a deluxe Barricade and confirm this little tidbit towards the toy info? Thanks. [[Special:Contributions/175.137.115.140|175.137.115.140]] 13:55, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
:He does have molded guns in those peices, but they ''are'' kinda hard to see.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 11:20, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== DOTM Deluxe ==

Is it worth noting this is noticeably smaller in size and scale than the 07 mould (cf. Sideswipe too), or is this being taken as a given?

== DOTM Deluxe Barricade hidden feature? ==

I have discovered what seems to be a hidden feature on DOTM Deluxe Barricade that gives him even more movie accuracy! There are screws in his chest that hold his front bumper pieces on. If they are slightly loosened, then the two pieces of his front bumper can actually be angled slightly to line up with his faux-grille in robot mode. This replicates the angles of his chest pieces as seen in the movie.

I'm wondering whether this should be mentioned in the toy info?

==Reveal for The Last Knight==

Apparently Barricade's back for The Last Night.

So...uh...he got better? When we get more info I presume we'll be editing this page a bit more.{{unsigned|Dekershekers}}

== Bumblebee (2018) ==

How can we be sure of his absence from the new movie? (Jess Harnell himself confirmed his presence) {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:No he didn't. He's not in it. (Source: the movie.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 06:42, 22 December 2018 (EST)
::But there's no evidence of the absence {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}}
:::The evidence is that movie is out and he's absent from it. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:10, 22 December 2018 (EST)
:Jess Harnell didn't confirm anything in the video that was linked. The video clip supporting the fact had a fan referring to Harnell as "the voice of Barricade from the Bumblebee movie", but when he asks Harnell about the film, Harnell just says he "heard about it a little while ago" which doesn't suggest at all that he'd been given a role in it. It's just a case, once again, of fans hearing what they want to hear and taking it as fact. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 13:38, 22 December 2018 (EST)

== Transformation Sound ==

The notes section mentions he is one of the few characters in the Live Action Film Series with a distinct transformation sound- Who are the others? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 16:16, 23 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Megatron (Movie)/toys

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== Gathering At Nemesis ==

I happened upon that one at TRU a few days ago. Is it just me or is the Megatron in there just a straight re-release of the Premium Megatron from the first film? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:05, 8 October 2009 (EDT)
:I believe Premium Megatron had a more detailed paint job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:41, 8 October 2009 (EDT)

== No mention of Stealth Force Megatron? ==

Here I was hoping to find a picture of the Stealth Force Megatron and make a crack in the caption of "This innocuous looking Cybertronian tank is revealed to be a ''Tank With Guns''." OK, lame joke, but I'm not the one who named the line "Stealth Force" and then included a Cybertronian vehicle. Sheesh!
:Yeah, that thing is pretty hilarious. It's like G2 Megs' green and PURPLE camouflage. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 02:43, 6 December 2010 (EST)

===DOTM Meg pics!!!===
[[Image:megatron-toy-1.jpg.]]
[[Image:megatron-toy-3-sml.jpg.]]
as of dec, 26, 2010 {{unsigned|Kuptrion|18:24, 30 January 2011 (EST)}}
:Uh, there are no images at those locations (and they'd be pretty bad names to use anyway). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:38, 30 January 2011 (EST)
:They are also stolen. We don't do stolen toys.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:44, 7 February 2011 (EST)

== DOTM Voyager Megatron ==

On Further Investigation, I have found that Megatron's MechTech weapon will lock open, though it's not Very intuitive. What needs to be done is the ladder needs to be pressed in as far as it can go, then twisted to the right and it will lock. If you actually look at the Outline of the hole to which the ladder slides into, you will see on the upper left corner and the lower right corner, small notches where it allows the ladder to turn.

:Sorry for re-posting that before reading the discussion. Adding it into the main page, along with mention of the swiveling trailer section. Are either of these documented at all? I don't think the instructions mention them. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:46, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

No, From what I've Seen, and I have Voyager Megatron, Shockwave, Optimus, and Ironhide.....And it seems non of them Show How the Weapons lock.....I've just looked and found them myself.

== Movie Megatron finger misassembly ==

I wish to contest that Movie Megatron's fingers are misassembled. I'm aware that the packaging shows otherwise, but I believe that the actual toy has the fingers on correctly. My evidence is in the vehicle mode. If you swap the fingers so that the supposed thumb piece is on top, then it causes the front wheels to be unable to touch the surface. With the fingers assembled as by the factory, the wheels do barely touch the surface. Surely the packaging photo is in error, in that case? [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C. V. Reynolds]] 09:41, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just giving props where they are due. ==

I am filled with glee every time I see ""Africa" listed in Cyberverse Meg's accesories list. He's got the whole world in his hand.
[[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 12:19, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

==Universal Studios==
Someone apparently left a Universal Studios Megatron box at my house. Which brings me to ask: Are there rereleases of DOTM figures in different packaging, and either way, why is there no mention of this on the pages (or at least this one). The back looks like the back of the regular Megatron box but all I have is the box.--[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 16:40, 1 September 2012 (EDT)

== Timelines Megs mold ==

Isn't BotCon Megatron more accurately retooled from Silas Breakdown than War Breakdown, given his big spiky bumper? [[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 02:59, 22 April 2015 (EDT)

Also, Pete says in the reveal video that Megatron SURVIVED and killed Optimus and Sentinel. This Megatron is not the same as standard movie Megatron. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 22:46, 26 April 2015 (EDT)

== Studio Series Megatron Caption ==

Can I add a caption for the new Studio Series Megatron?

Talk:Dino

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Skywarp Prime:

Why is this as (Movie) instead of (DOTM)? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:56, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:Scroll down to the Merchandise section. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:16, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dino? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-ferrari-458-italia-is-172358/
Is this true, or complete bull?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:50, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

:''Supposedly'', this is pure truth. All I can say is... DEAR GOD, PLEASE NO.
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 23:07, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Even if he's referred to as such in the movie, we usually stick to whatever names Hasbro gives them, as with [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and several ROTF Construticons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:33, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

How about listing "Dino" under "foreign names"? Probably not, I think, but it ''might'' be a good place for it, so I thought I'd throw that out there. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 01:24, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Then why call him Mirage if he appears to be called Dino?
:Because the novelization, comic adaptation '''and''' toys all refer to him as Mirage. He's only called Dino in the film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:02, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alt mode ==

Is the toy a Ferrari?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:56, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:Hard to tell with all that transluscent plastic drowning out the details. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:01, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Deluxe Toy? ==

is there gonna be one?

Yes.

== TF: Prime Cyberverse ==

Why isn't his Cyberverse toy mentioned on this page?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:25, 2 February 2012 (EST)
: Because it's possible it would go on a [[Mirage (Prime)]] page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:35, 2 February 2012 (EST)
:: I think the toy is meant to be the movie incarnation of Mirage, since Mirage toy have the Prime name removed from the box just like Evac and Soundwave
.

== hasbro considers him dino ==
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/549989-mirage-dino-tf4-28.html#post7316102 will the page be renamed or we will keep the Mirage name since the Mirage name was used more than the name Dino?
:[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair12/webfiles/DSC_0023.JPG.html] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:33, 21 February 2012 (EST)

== Early script death ==

Why is there not a note on his proposed death?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 17:55, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Deadpool ==

Does anyone notice that he looks like Deadpool?[[User:SirSpoonwave|Spoon]] 02:43, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
:How? Aside from being black and red, how does he resemble Deadpool? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:10, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
::He's Italian. -[[User:LV|LV]] 09:56, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

== Inaccurate Toys ==

Why are none of the toys for Dino Ferraris? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:Legitimate question: how old are you? Not trying to be mean, but almost all of the questions you are asking are answered directly in the article, including this one. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:31, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
::I can tell you are mentioning the thing I said on the Fallen page. I was just rather confused with what they were trying to say, and I hadn't noticed the link to the page explaining the term I didn't understand. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:43, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:::No, I'm talking about this article as well. It very clearly states in both the toy and notes section that because Mattel held the Ferrari license at the time for ''Hot Wheels'', Hasbro couldn't use the actual car. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:00, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
I've looked very thoroughly in the toys section it does not mention the Mattel licensing issues, however, you were right about it mentioning the problems in the notes section. Is it possible in the future Hasbro could come out with an accurate Mirage figure?

Talk:Dino

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Skywarp Prime:

Why is this as (Movie) instead of (DOTM)? [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:56, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:Scroll down to the Merchandise section. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:16, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

== Dino? ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-ferrari-458-italia-is-172358/
Is this true, or complete bull?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:50, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

:''Supposedly'', this is pure truth. All I can say is... DEAR GOD, PLEASE NO.
:[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 23:07, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
::Even if he's referred to as such in the movie, we usually stick to whatever names Hasbro gives them, as with [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl]] and several ROTF Construticons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:33, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

How about listing "Dino" under "foreign names"? Probably not, I think, but it ''might'' be a good place for it, so I thought I'd throw that out there. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 01:24, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Then why call him Mirage if he appears to be called Dino?
:Because the novelization, comic adaptation '''and''' toys all refer to him as Mirage. He's only called Dino in the film. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:02, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

== Alt mode ==

Is the toy a Ferrari?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 15:56, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
:Hard to tell with all that transluscent plastic drowning out the details. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:01, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

== Deluxe Toy? ==

is there gonna be one?

Yes.

== TF: Prime Cyberverse ==

Why isn't his Cyberverse toy mentioned on this page?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:25, 2 February 2012 (EST)
: Because it's possible it would go on a [[Mirage (Prime)]] page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:35, 2 February 2012 (EST)
:: I think the toy is meant to be the movie incarnation of Mirage, since Mirage toy have the Prime name removed from the box just like Evac and Soundwave
.

== hasbro considers him dino ==
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/549989-mirage-dino-tf4-28.html#post7316102 will the page be renamed or we will keep the Mirage name since the Mirage name was used more than the name Dino?
:[http://www.transformersclub.com/toyfair12/webfiles/DSC_0023.JPG.html] [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:33, 21 February 2012 (EST)

== Early script death ==

Why is there not a note on his proposed death?--[[Special:Contributions/24.69.64.254|24.69.64.254]] 17:55, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

== Deadpool ==

Does anyone notice that he looks like Deadpool?[[User:SirSpoonwave|Spoon]] 02:43, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
:How? Aside from being black and red, how does he resemble Deadpool? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:10, 28 March 2012 (EDT)
::He's Italian. -[[User:LV|LV]] 09:56, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

== Inaccurate Toys ==

Why are none of the toys for Dino Ferraris? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:Legitimate question: how old are you? Not trying to be mean, but almost all of the questions you are asking are answered directly in the article, including this one. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:31, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
I can tell you are mentioning the thing I said on the Fallen page. I was just rather confused with what they were trying to say, and I hadn't noticed the link to the page explaining the term I didn't understand. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:43, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Dino

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Skywarp Prime: /* Inaccurate Toys */ new section

Talk:The Fallen

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Skywarp Prime: /* Different Universes? What?? */ new section

[[File:RID-megatronussparkmerger.jpg|thumb|right|250px|unused image]]

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics.html Insecticomics] it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this [http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm19.showMessage?topicID=2995.topic&index=107 transcript] which backs that up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.
*So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

..I don't even get that. [[User:AlwaysWrong|AlwaysWrong]] 22:44, 10 June 2009 (EDT)
:It was removed, it contained a link to the wikipedia article for Ghost Rider[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 09:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

==Head==
Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Disambig time?==
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs==

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. [[User:GWolfv2]] 21.07 June 11

== Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory ==

Defiance issue 4 is out. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-prequel-comic-defiance-4-provides-potential-movie-spoilers-167267/ TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie]. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". [[User:Eire]] 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)
:I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::The AllSpark has been designated a [[sacred implement]] in Japanese fiction.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in [[The Transformers: The Movie]] Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not the mention [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm this interview] affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

==The Fallen gets Power Plans!==
[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/transformers-movie-universe-preview.html] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:If Nimoy is cast as him, it will be the second time in his career that he'll be playing some sort of servant of Unicron. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Subject Seperation ==

Will you make a separate page the live action version of the Fallen? --Some Random User guy {{unsigned|69.230.53.229|00:50, May 20, 2009 EDT}}
:As we far as we know, the Fallen is a multi-dimensional being that can... you get the picture. If this Fallen is established as a seperate being, then maybe.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:01, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::And as seen in Walky's post above this, the DK guide establishes the Fallen as an "Omniversal tyrant". That more or less means the Fallen is one of those characters who can travel between dimensions, and there's only one of him. Thus, we consider ROTF Fallen to be the same guy as Dreamwave comics Fallen, unless the movie says otherwise (and it obviously won't). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::Despite the brain-bending problems this creates with the other 12, yes. Are they all birthed by the AllSpark then? That's not what The Ultimate Guide says... (We'll figure it out. Expect the backpedaling, qualifications and clarifications to begin trickling in this fall.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You know, the movie universe could have two individuals named the Fallen. I mean, it's not a real name, but rather a sort of title, right? Why couldn't the omniversal tyrant and some douchebag that came from the AllSpark live in the same universe? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:26, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::'''Two''' dimension-hopping flaming ancient Primes who discarded their name in favor of being called "The Fallen" after betraying their 12 fellow Primes, the oldest of Transformers?
:::We already have the Covenant and the Thirteen. Don't make this ''more'' complicated. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I personally think they should be seperated. I mean, he's been trapped in that relic, or whatever it exactly is, for a really long time. How could he of shown up in the IDW series? And, the other 12 sacrificed themselves, so, how could they exist either? -[[User:VakamaMetruNui|VakamaMetruNui]] 09:29, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::::(The Dreamwave series, not the IDW series.) That's really easy to explain. The DW Fallen was also trapped in a dimension, same as the Movie one. He was able to break free of it due to a space bridge accident, and was apparently banished back to it by Primus. (He would have returned if DW hadn't gone bankrupt, so he wasn't dead.) Who knows how time and space work in there. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:11, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::Unicron keeps showing up in new places yet always gets defeated in more or less the same way; why should his gothy wanna-be have it any better? Since his "real" origin was as a creation of Primus, perhaps the entire Movie AllSpark / Movie Original 13 was something the Fallen himself put together later--he tried his own hand at being a god, while actually not claiming credit for it but just inserting himself among the lineup, like Keyser Soze. Or maybe he used his woowoo omniversal magic to sense that some other god was about to create the AllSpark, and then he twisted the whole process to his own ends. Who knows. And if all that sounds like a deus-ex-machina, remember that that is LITERALLY what he is. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:24, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Defianceissue4-creation.jpg|right|thumb|100px|What dimension did this happen in? The movie-verse? Not necessarily.]]
::::::I think splitting the page of a known dimension-hopper goes against common sense. Without a really good reason, of course. I don't think there is a good reason yet. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::::At BotCon 2009, Hasbro copy-writer Forest Lee stated once again (at the Collectors' Club panel) that the Original 13 are all multiversal singularities. Apparently the upcoming movie hasn't changed his mind! So let's hold on to our current setup for the time being. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:11, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::He didn't state this before, IIRC he stated that they were ''probably'' Multiversal singularities before.
::::::::Do you or anyone (Steve) have an exact working on his statement this weekend? It's worth citing it on the 13 page. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:52, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I don't, no. And Steve-o wasn't there this weekend, so we are without his meticulous information-gathering. He did specifically say that the original 13 were multiversal singularities, though. It was in response to someone asking if Shattered Glass The Fallen would be icy. Forest said that as one of the 13, The Fallen doesn't have any multiverse counterparts. There's just one of him, the same as Vector Prime and the others. (Trent noted that he liked to believe that if the Fallen were to ever wander into the Shattered universe, his flames would turn to ice, much to his confusion.)--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:53, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
Is there evidence that supports ROTF Fallen is the same as the character in The War Within?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:20, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
:Evidence in the form of fictional stories? No. Apparently not. It is all shadow evidence as far as I can tell. Word of mouth at conventions and [[Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers|a Hasbro Q&A]]. Should the wiki hang its hat on such shadow evidence? Or would the "multiversal singularity" thing be better put in the "notes" section until it shows up in fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:53, 29 August 2010 (EDT)
::If this Wiki wants to wait on merging Alpha Trions I suggest your side doesn't split the G1, UT, ROTF and Prime versions of Prima, Megatronus, Liege or Vector. And it wouldn't call it shadow evidence considering Megatronus explicitly described his brothers as able to traverse dimensions, or Vector and Nexus being the sole versions of those characters flying about the timelines. "[[Reunification: Part 5|All Cybertrons are yours.]]" [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:15, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

== Movie altmode ==

FYI: If we get Hasbro photography depicting a toy with an altmode (we have!) and the paragraph in question is describing that toy, then ''the presence of said altmode is officially confirmed''. I don't know under what logic you can say otherwise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:10, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:Remember Scorponok's robot mode? I believe the debate is whether or not The Fallen's vehicle mode was something invented for the toyline. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:48, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
::Except the altmode description was removed from the toy section. The toy has an altmode. Plain as day. Thus the section describing that toy ought to mention said altmode.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:07, 22 May 2009 (EDT)
:::Ah, right then. Well... most of what I said can be salvaged, assuming this argument comes up outside the toy section. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 21:14, 22 May 2009 (EDT)

== Decepticon symbol ==

I see there is a Decepticon symbol on The Fallen's page for a long while, is this something related to his toy(s)? Thanks. (I can't reach my Titanium Fallen now, so... ) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:24, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
: His ROTF toy packaging consistently labels him a Decepticon. He helped Megatron START the Decepticon faction in the live-action continuity. And the Decepticon faction symbol is based on his face. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

:::So it is really due to the ROTF. Thanks. ;-D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:55, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

::What they said.
::I notice the Beast-machines Dinobots symbol links to the Dinobots disambig page-- was it used tor the Wal-Mart Dinobots as well? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:56, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

==Mainpic==
When the Wikia site comes up on Google, it also has a secondary link, which is their version of this page. Our secondary link is [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']], which is unfortunately now a bit less relevant than theirs. (Notably, they've even rebranded their site to have a Movie look.) Happily, our [[The Fallen]] is much better than theirs because we've expanded the DW section, and they still haven't written ANYTHING about the prequel comics. Plus, y'know, there's [[:Image:WikiaAdInsert_TheFallen.jpg|the stuff that made us leave in the first place]]. But in the interests of sealing the relevancy deal, I suggest we change the mainpic to be The Fallen's ROTF body. That way even at a GLANCE a viewer can see which one is more up-to-date. What do you all think? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:23, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:I support this. We've got good promo renders of it. Let's do it.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:29, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
:Sounds good to me, I say go for it. Maybe change it back when the movie buzz fades down, but for now, yeah, totally. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:44, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::Heh, so they merged the articles back. TX55 was an editor here. Doesn't he notice the borked layout of the images? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

===New main pic===
[[Image:ROTF The Fallen promotional 1.jpg|thumb|right|250px|You dare photograph me?! I am a a Prime!]]
Swap the current one for a promotional shot from [[Josh Nizzi]]'s website? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 13:58, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:Naw, I prefer the one we have now. Flashier. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:12, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

==Grargh fiction==
Do we really need to separate out his various DK Ultimate Guide and Titanium information into their own little sections. Can't we throw those into the beginning of the Dreamwave continuity section and cite them appropriately? This page is now a real friggin' chore to read and understand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:58, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, it sorta feels like it's... out of order. Cause, it is. Fictionally. I mean, I grok what Jackpot has done - he's put it in publication order, which I know is an approach that he's generall favoured in the past, but to me, it just doesn't "read" right. (Also, I am totally about to ruin the "he is on fire" joke. Watch me go!) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:05, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
::I feel a little weird about combining them like that, but I don't full-on object. I don't think there's ever been precedent for putting toy-bio info into a comic-series summary, but in this case there was clearly intent behind the bio to make it mesh, and there are no variant ''War Within'' "continuities." All I can do is note that it's unorthodox and move along.
::Oh, and Walky, thanks for restoring the continuity-family headers. My theory is that since our default organizational model is to separate our articles based on continuity family, whenever we break that "rule," we should call it out.
::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:49, 7 June 2009 (EDT)

==Really not buying the 'multiversal singularity' thing here==
Recently, I saw the new movie and....... I don't see how it could possibly be the same character as in Dreamwave's comics.
Not only is his entire backstory different, but his motives also seem different and the film also makes mention that The Fallen was a member of 8 original leaders (if I remember correctly), as opposed to 13.
Not to mention his radically different appearance (the other 'multiversal singularities' at least all looked alike) and abilities.

Unless the writers find a way of explaining how this could be possible, I don't see how it makes any form of sense.
:The fact it's 8 and not 13 is the first sign that the writers ''intend'' to explain it. They're backpedaling away from making it "The 13" because it creates ''way'' to many problems.
:We all basically agree that it makes not sense now, but this ('''very''' last-minute) change strongly indicates that it ''will'' make sense, and that Hasbro's story-gurus has finally figured out how they intend to make it fit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:33, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
::I seriously doubt that Hasbro's story-gurus had any imput whatsoever on the contents of the movie itself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:35, 21 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, I think that rather than being The 'Multiversal Singularity' Fallen, The (ROTF) Fallen is just a 'fallen' Prime who is subsequently and coincidentally called "The Fallen". He happens to have the same name, like Prowl, Prowl, Prowl, Prowl and Prowl.[[Special:Contributions/218.214.49.189|218.214.49.189]] 21:02, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
::::That's nice, but Hasbro's packaging bio writer is saying that's not the case. Thus we have to go with what he says. --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:09, 23 June 2009 (EDT)
So... Doesn't this mean that since he died in the movie, he has died in all universes forever, since he is a "multiversal singularity"?[[Special:Contributions/76.251.230.101|76.251.230.101]] 19:59, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:When a multiversal singularity "dies" in one universe, he'll reappear in another universe --[[Special:Contributions/72.64.107.124|72.64.107.124]] 20:02, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::I've seen that idea expressed on the Wiki before, but I've never seen a source for it. Basically... says who? In fact, most of what we "know" about multiversal singularities comes not from the fiction itself, but from creator comments. I don't agree with putting [[authorial intent]] on that high a pedestal, especially when its results are flat-out nonsensical. I think that at best, author-intent should get a Note, not define central aspects of how we describe characters. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:16, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Hear hear! Besides, saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not. Then we get a weird state of 'he's mostly a multiuniversal singularity, except where he isn't' situation. I think this sort of notion warrants about as much consideration as a Madman DVD book saying that Cyclonus categorically was Skywarp - we note it, then we go on with the rest of our lives. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:37, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::There's at least some indication that Mowry and Furman are going to attempt to reconcile the multiversal singularity thing, or at least hang a lampshade on it and run with it, in [[Transformers: Tales of the Fallen|Tales of the Fallen]]. We may get our answer soon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:09, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::''saying that a character is a multiuniversal singularity only lasts until someone else says he's not''
:::::Bingo. No matter how much people might like Forrest's ideas, it's just as much "authorial intent" whenever anybody else at Hasbro or IDW or Bay's workshop says something that contradicts him. We know he's multiversal, or "omniversal," whatever, because one of the movie guidebooks says so. I try not to think too hard about the "13-whoops-7-Primes" clusterfuck. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:48, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::I think the idea of Multiversal Singularities dieing in one universe and appearing in another has 2 sources: 1) Unicron - He's a multiversal singularity and this is demonstrably how he works, and 2) Vector Prime - After his death in the UT he's seen again in the final credits battling Galvatron again. Granted it's supposition, but I think that's the basis for the idea.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 21:22, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::Unicron's many deaths constitute one of the reasons why the multiversal-singularity idea is generally thought to be nonsensical. The idea that he "respawns" every time he's destroyed is a rationalization somebody here came up with; it's never been shown to ''happen'' in the fiction. And Vector Prime's case barely applies; he wasn't destroyed the way Unicron or The Fallen were; he just permanently phased outside of normal time because he overexerted his temporal powers. It was presumably in this non-time limbo that he battled Galvatron again, and where he will be forever. Ultimately, I think Rosicrucian's right: We should wait until "Tales of the Fallen" comes out before we make any hard-and-fast calls on the subject. But I've [[Talk:Unicron#"Respawning"?|long thought]] that we should be more rigorous about letting the fiction alone define "multiversal singularity" instead of the authors, and I'll be more than happy if future information radically changes what we think it means. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:43, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::The bio for TRU-excl. Universe Unicron says he travels through multiple dimensions and that whenever he dies he comes back to life. I don't think it says he has to be reobrn in a different dimension than the one he just died in, but honestly, once they've officialized and published the "multidimensionality and immortality" aspect, precisely where he is at ANY given moment in any life doesn't matter. But that's just Unicron--there's nothing as cut-and-dried in published form for the rest of them, I don't think. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:08, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ah, that's interesting. Let's [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2856639219_b4fb44b44e.jpg?v=0 take a look]... Hm, it actually sounds more like Vector Prime's existence than the hoppity-hop-from-universe-to-universe model that's been the wiki party line. Unicron "floats through the non-space between dimensions, reaching out with his sensors to find the universe with the most energy. Those dimensions he finds suitable, he consumes." Also, "He has been defeated or destroyed countless times, yet he always returns [...] for [...] He is evil incarnate, and as long as there is evil, there is Unicron." It sounds like, whereas Vector Prime is stuck outside of time and can only send messages (or swords) into the timestream, Unicron can actually manifest himself in a very real and devastating way. But they share some essential transcendent nature, which to me is a bit more sensical than the more linear model. I read it to mean that basically he can keep coming back because he's always got one foot outside of normal space-time, and destroying a specific incarnation will never be enough. It's not a full "death." Plus he's got that strange relation to the concept of evil, which is backed up in the ''Armada'' cartoon when only Galvatron's death and the resulting end of the war could destroy him. As you say, I don't know how this would apply to The Fallen or others, but one thing at a time... - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:06, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's not particularly relevant, but I just want to point out that Vector Prime ''did'' actually die, in the sense that his linear lifespan came to an end point. He continues to exist because ''prior'' to his death, he spent most of his existence outside of the timestream, and since time has no meaning there, he will ''always'' be there, watching and guiding. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:55, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

== Change of appearance ==

From TF; The Movie Universe
{{quote|The Fallen butchered and betrayed his brother Primes, disowning his given name in favor of one befitting his new, terrifying appearance.|[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]] p86|"The Fallen"}}
Late intot he game, we have the idea that The Fallen may have changed his appearance. (And since his appearance is really no different than the other Primes... it begs the question what the hell this is talking about.)

Oh, and Walky was wondering abotu the curiously-regular panes of transparent plastic on The Fallen toy's shoulders... accordign to the guidebook, he has "Energon Distribution arcs" in his shoulders-- I think they're actually supposed to represent some sort of energy blade. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:44, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unreliable narrator ==

So I saw the ROTF film. It really doesn't clash with the Multiversal Singularity thing too bad... it's Defiance that's the real problem. And I'm beginning to think that Definace just had a ''serious'' case of "unreliable narrator."

Let's assume (for a moment) that the Fallen ''was'' lying about parts of his backstory to Megatron. He certainly didn't mention Primus or Unicron (so we know he left stuff out) and we know he was snowing Megatron about making him a Prime (something you apparently have to be born to in the Movieverse.) He's ALREADY demonstrably lying, so lets throw out everything he said about his own origins, and assume he's actually the same dimension-hopping spanish-speaking nutjob we know and love-- what would the universe 'look' like?

Logically, The Fallen {{redact|''traveled'' to this universe and integrated himself with it-- somehow convincing the six Founding Primes of the universe that he was one of them. He then secretly endeavored to murder them all, destroy the Earth and seize ultimate power for himself using the sun harvester.}}

Of course, if this was '''actually''' what happened, and The Fallen is lying... you'd expect there to be some ''indicator['' of this in the IDW comics.

[[Image:Ros03 cuberitual.png|thumb|250px]]
Oh hey, look at that! It's the ancient illustration Starscream was trying to replicate in "Reign of Starscream"! The ''only'' piece of evidence from the era of the original Primes that ''doesn't'' come from our Unreliable Narrator. And what does it show?
{{redact|'''Six''' Primes surrounding the AllSpark cube as it is renewed by the Sun Harvester. '''Not''' seven.}} -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:55, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:As much as I really want to make this all work, I don't know if I want to go the Unreliable Narrator route. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:18, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::Neither do I... but if IDW chooses to quietly change the 13 primes to the 7 in their Movie Spotlight books... at ''that'' point the Fallen's retelling of history becomes much more actively wrong, and this bit from Reign of Starscream fits quite nicely.
::I figured it was worth highlighting as a possibility. It wouldn't be appropriate to present it as "fact" until IDW gets a crack at it. (It seems almost inevitable that there are Retcons Comings.) But i was pleased to discover that there's at least one ''fairly'' clean way here to make things more-or-less fit, and it ties into some pre-established continuity arond Starscream's plan with the [[Replica AllSpark]], which is a definite plus in terms of making the change less jarring. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:27, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Your way probably works better than my "the other 6 Primes were busy." But still, that's fanon until Forest Lee gets a crack at it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::...That leaves me a little worried that we're putting our hopes on IDW. Especially since they caused quite a few of the problems. And lets not even get into their record of continuity consistency in okaying [[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:34, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::But '''nothing''' the movies is 100% consistent with one another. Did you notice Leo mentioned the big fight from the 2007 movie took place in '''L.A.'''? And the IDW comics aren't in continuity with the ''first'' movie in a strict sense either-- Reign of starscream dedicated a page to re-doing the "gathering of the 'cons" from the dfirst movie ''just'' so they could assert "no, he's called BRAWL damnit." Or the helicopter being shot down over <strike>Afganistan</strike> America.
:::::Frankly, I think think the wiki would be best off is we weaned ourselves of this tendency to present the IDW comics as somehow "the primary continuity." They're definitely bound up tightly with the movies... but they ''aren't'' in perfect continuity with them-- and it's not just oddities, it's outright deliberate contradiction, like the Brawl thing. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Until I get an official reasoning to change continuity flow of various fiction, I'd rather leave the articles as they are. Brawl thing - who cares, really? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:36, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::By which you mean "structured differently than every other fiction section on the wiki." ;)
:::::::(I'm not really pushing for the restructure either. Just talking in general terms.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm set in my ways, dagnabbit. Yeah, the movie kind of started the movement of supporting fiction such as comic books and novels more or less directly being in continuity with the primary fiction, something we saw later in Animated. As opposed to the traditional TF method of having comics and cartoons and books all going in completely different directions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:26, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

::::You've got it backwards. The Mowry-penned stuff has some of the best internal consistency of the entire continuity.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:37, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Right, Mowry was foreshadowing the RotF plot in the second issue of Reign of Starscream, before ''anything'' had leaked. And he seems to have a pretty clear idea where almost ''every'' character "was" before and after the war, how they're related to one another, etc. He also did a ''lot'' of ground work to make the game drones fit right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:57, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Voyager toy ==

The Voyager toy has slidable gauntlets, shinguards, and some kind of firey thing under the shinguards, but none of these are called out in the instructions, or seem to serve any point in either mode. Should this be mentioned in the article, and if not, does anyone know what the deal with them is?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 20:50, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

== "saturn"? ==

Especially because the novel specifically says it's not Saturn, can we get rid of this? Unless it was revealed in an interview or on a toy bio or something, all the movie shows is that it's on the moon of a ringed planet - without specifically identifying it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:I think it has to be Saturn unless it is a plot hole. Megatron just flies there in about a day or so. It has to be in the solar system, I think. Megatron was never shown to have a personal space bridge like Jetfire. Can Megatron travel faster-than-light? Possibly, but the space bridge seems to be this universe's faster-than-light technology. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:57, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::I recall seeing something about how Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but that he's supposed to be one of the few Transformers who can. Additionally, we see the Decepticons travel to Earth in transition form, implying that they are coming from somewhere in the solar system. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:59, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, Megatron can travel interstellar distances, but in a day or two? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::And return with Starscream and Grindor? And have The Fallen and a buttload of new Hatchlings arrive not soon after? They can't be lightyears away. That'd basically be Yet Another Plothole. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::According to the Ultimate Guide, The Fallen actually can do something like a space bridge, so wouldn't it be possible for the Fallen to have brought them to the final battle? Unless the Fallen can only do personal transport.
:::::For Grindor, though, do we know he was actually on the Nemesis?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:47, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I thought someone might suggest that about The Fallen, so I didn't argue that point. I think that if he has the ability to space bridge armies across interstellar distances I would wonder why he would need the Nemesis at all. Starscream also made it to the Nemesis but he had a little longer, he could have hailed a space taxi or something. I think the movie strongly implies the Decepticons traveled by protoform from a relatively short distance and landed on the aircraft carriers. Even The Fallen. He seems to have traveled by protoform. Maybe space bridging long distances uses too much energy? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:13, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"Saturn" appears to have a nebula in the background in the movie.
:::::::Which means that unless you can provide a cite for it being Saturn, it's not Saturn. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:51, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

==Power of a Prime?==
Why is that important? --[[User:Boba Fett|Boba Fett]] 20:15, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why is pointing out the differences between the film itself and its adaptations important? Is that what you're asking? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:19, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:Why IS information about a Transformer in a Transfomers wiki important, I wonder? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:The novel and comics are similar enough to the movie that they don't merit their own sections on the page, so the few significant differences that DO crop up need to go SOMEWHERE. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 20:53, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

==Main Pic==

Since the standard practice to to have the main image use the body the character first appeared in, rather than their most recent or more well known, shouldn't the main pic here be his Dreamwave body? [[User:Eire]] 23.45 18 Aug 09 (UTC)
:In this case it was changed so that movie visitors wouldn't reach the page and go "who the hell is this guy?" as well as to visually distinguish our article from Wikia's.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:25, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

==Leader Class==

I found a clip on Youtube about a Leader class The Fallen toy. It's extremely close to the CGI version in design and look and it comes with a staff. I think it's a fanmade one, but it's definitely worth noticing. I have proof. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q142a9Fl9_c]--[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 09:49, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
: Yeah, that's a custom by FrenzyRumble. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

== Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg ==

OK, who put that there? The Fallen isn't even on it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:07, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
: Read the caption and come back to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:09, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I just wasted two seconds on reading a caption which I have already memorized, and another ten on checking the image again. The Fallen is NOT on the image. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::...yes he is. See the guy behind Vector Prime? His silhouette matches The Fallen's. Pay special attention to the little spikey hangy-things on his crotch, plus the shape of his head. And don't talk to ME about wasting time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::My bad. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:26, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

== Unable to edit ==
I noticed that I am unable to edit The Fallen page why is that. Also I thing the sarcophagus should have its own link and that it should be edited to make it more appropiate. --[[User:Naruotfox94|Narutofox94]] 10:04, 14 November 2009

== Lawson Exclusive EZ Fallen??? ==

Just noticed the pic of the 'Lawson exclusive' EZ figure.

Apparently the version of EZ Fallen released in the 2-pack with Soundwave was actually the standard US version, and the Takara-Tomy picture was incorrect. Unless anyone has an official source (in-hand pictures, on-line sales listings etc) that says the Japanese version of the Legends figure is any different from the US colours, I'd recommend deleting this photo. [[Special:Contributions/213.123.203.109|213.123.203.109]] 09:03, 1 December 2009 (EST)
:... that doesn't make any sense. If we don't have any in-hand photos, how do we know it's the SAME as the US release? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:10, 1 December 2009 (EST)
::So what you're saying is that we have this exclusive Legends Fallen, now released in Japan. You'd think it might show up ''somewhere''? But there's not a squeak of it on YouTube, on eBay, or for that matter ANY Transformers retailer or website you can care to name (trust me, I've checked). I realise it's supposedly an exclusive, but I can't think of another occasion in all my years of collecting when a figure's been commercially released and yet NO-ONE has seen it. As I say, I think it's just a bad photograph.

::Also, note that the two supposed 'exclusives' in this Lawson offer were Mudflap and The Fallen... which haven't actually been released in Japan as part of the main EZ line (nor have they been announced as forthcoming). So it would make sense that these are the standard US versions, which were Lawson store exclusives in Japan. Just like how ROTF Deluxes Dead End, Swerve and Stalker Scorponok were on general sale in the US but store exclusives in Japan.

::I seem to recall pictures of Takara Deluxe Ravage and Voyager Mixmaster with different paint apps too (extra purple on Ravage and a different coloured head on Mixmaster) - yet both releases ended up the same as their US counterparts. Early photos of the Takara combiner Devastator (shown in Hyber Hobby and Dengeki Hobby) has the US grey face that was later changed to red in Japan. We now know that the Deluxe red Rampage has a movie-accurate silver shovel, not the red one we saw in the early pictures. My point here is that promotional photos are notoriously unreliable.

::I realise I'm on shaky ground here - It's very difficult to prove something ''doesn't'' exist. But I think at the very least the point should be made on the page that this so-called redeco has never - to anyone's knowledge - been sighted outside of a low-res photo on the Takara website. And possibly never will.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 13:55, 7 December 2009 (EST)
:::This strikes me as a question that would easily be resolved if we had actual contact with the Japanese fanbase.... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:01, 7 December 2009 (EST)
::::OK, after a bit of research, I've discovered that the US and Japanese versions of these legends are IDENTICAL. There are pictures on TFW2005 (I think you need to be a member to sign into the forums) [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-toy-discussion/281376-rotf-takara-v-hasbro-comparisons.html] So this page ''does'' need to be changed, as does Mudflap's.[[Special:Contributions/91.104.167.124|91.104.167.124]] 17:20, 7 December 2009 (EST)

== Page Quote ==

To be fair... whether or not it should be changed to LesterX's idea, the current quote does suck. It says pretty much zero about the Fallen's personality or motivation or purpose or anything. All it says is that he's from some past time period, which is true of every 13 member. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:21, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:I never was crazy about it but it does do a good job of summing up a pretty major aspect of the character. I'm gonna go through all his comic appearances and have a look for a better one (can't think of one from the movie) [[User:Eire]] 00.00 Jan 08 2009 (UTC)
::Change the top quote all you want, but "kali ma" is so not going away for another damn "Give me your face" joke. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:05, 7 January 2010 (EST)
:::No argument from me on ''that'' regard. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:14, 7 January 2010 (EST)

==Separate==
I recommend that this page be split into two different pages, as the backgrounds differ. (I would type in a label, but the thing won't let me) [[User:Cold Rod|Cold Rod]] 16:23, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
: I recommend you learn what [[multiversal singularity]] means. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:38, 17 May 2010 (EDT)
::Of which the movie version is not. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:41, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::I would like to laugh at this, because do you see that big pile of text on [[multiversal singularity]]? That was taken from a Hasbro response ABOUT SPECIFICALLY MOVIE THE FALLEN. The original question was "If The Fallen is a multiversal singularity, how can we reconcile these various different movie-originated versions of him, like in the novelization and childrens storybooks?" And then we got that answer. So to say that the answer does not pertain to movie The Fallen betrays a monumental ignorance of the subject at hand. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:11, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Prove it. According to Hasbro multiversal singularities can have different backgrounds in different universes and still be the SAME character. Confusing, but true. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::So they look exactly the same then? they have the same background? [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 12:56, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::Somebody sign this guy up for a course in logic. Or at least ENGLISH. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:58, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::Seriously, read the [[multiversal singularity]] page. Specifically "multiversal dynamics". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:00, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::You said '''can''', not '''do'''. There's a difference. '''Can''' means possibly. '''Do''' means certainly. It doesn't prove their one and the same. The one bathed in fire isn't a Decepticon. In addition, Teletraan 1 (the other wiki) split theirs. [[Special:Contributions/74.78.77.122|74.78.77.122]] 13:05, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Then go annoy them and leave us alone. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:08, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Besides, the other wiki is pretty much abandoned by this community. They're now almost independent. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure Hasbro said they were the same character. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 13:09, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yes, can. The Fallen has different backgrounds in different universes, but is still a singularity. Other singularities have the same background in different universes. Thus, singularities CAN have different backgrounds. Also, what Teletraan 1 does is not an argument that will go over well here. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:10, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::To cut a long story short, we're treating them as the same because Hasbro writer [[Forest Lee]], who's basically responsible for all the multiversal singularity stuff, ''says they are'', and has offered an explanation for how that works. And yes, kindly refrain from holding up ''anything'' Teletraan-1 does as a basis for how we should do things. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:22, 18 May 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::I thank the other wiki a billion times for separating their Fallen pages, because Google sure likes our page way better now! (and that was fairly immediate) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:07, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Google still prefers Wikia if you add "Transformers" to your search terms for "The Fallen", at least from what I can tell. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

== Multiversal Clean Up ==

Some people's stubborn refusals to understand his nature aside, I think the article as written right now might contain a few too many "artifacts" from when we were still rather unsure of the Fallen's Multiversal Singularity status and how it worked. The "Origin" section for instance seems to exist entirely to present his differing origins as being a conflict while not mentioning at all that Hasbro's explanation on how singularities work explains any conflict away.

I think the page could use a slight "refresh" (the Origin section especially) to really make it clearer that all the differing apperences, actions, and even origins are all part and parcel of how a mulitversal singularity works and not mistakes or continuity conflicts.

Didn't want to try to touch/alter such a potentially controversial article without feeling people out on the idea first though. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:43, 18 May 2010 (EDT)

:Anyone have any real feelings on this one way or another? If no, I may attempt a clean up as discribed above in the near future. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:03, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::I'm inclined that it gets a "refresh", given the "stubborn refusals to under his nature". MUL-TI-VERSE, how hard is it to understand? Oy. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:39, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
:::What is this 'multiverse' of which you speak? Is that a breakfast cereal?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:44, 27 May 2010 (EDT)
::::A wonderful porridge filled with all the vitamins and minerals (some necessary, some superfluous, and some bad for the waistline) for growing protoforms, from the same company that produces Garbage O's! :B --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:49, 27 May 2010 (EDT)

==Megatronous Prime==
Where the hell did the person who put The Fallen's real name as Megatronous Prime? Which comic or whatever included his real name did that person learn that?
:I believe it was mentioned in the [[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus novel]]. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:32, 30 June 2010 (EDT)
::I wonder if that's a reference to the Covenant of Primus... "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. I am that which is, which was, and is yet to come...and you will know my name is Megatron when I lay my vengeance upon you!" Sounds like it could be about the Fallen to me. If that's the case, other Megatrons may have named themselves after him to show how hardcore they are. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:58, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

===Appearance===
Dark, Decepticon symbol face, did he look like Soundblaster? Considering that [[Logos Prime|Soundblaster]] might or might not be one of the 13, feels like an odd coincidence. I guess we'll have to wait to find out if that actually means anything. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:43, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:No. He looked like this squat, ornately-carved boxy monstrosity whose whole body vaguely looked like a 'Con symbol, the face much moreso, with a big right-arm cannon. Hasbro said in a previous Q&A answer that we should not assume Logos Prime is one of the 13. I would not be surprised if that character never matters again. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:09, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::Considering Logos Prime can alter his appearance at will, and that Soundblaster is only one of those forms, Logos Prime can basically be any of the other 13 that he wants. Hell, maybe he's the Fallen. </fanon> --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
:::I put up this section hoping for it to turn out that way. I think I should maybe discuss this on a messageboard. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 20:52, 4 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Was it [http://t4ak.roblox.com/daaf9f4eb9b33f115661eb4a7c849007 this?] --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:17, 10 April 2012 (EDT)

==Megatronus vs Megatronus Prime==
When Hasbro did their Thirteen concept art presentation at BotCon, pre-The Fallen was just "Megatronus" rather than "Megatronus Prime". I assume this was intentional, as the only Thirteener to otherwise have "Prime" as part of his name in the line-up was Vector Prime. I don't know how this factoid should be incorporated, though. Just in Notes? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 11:07, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Life support chair ==

Where did this info come from? It wasn't clarified in the movie.--[[Special:Contributions/96.54.128.212|96.54.128.212]] 16:49, 23 December 2010 (EST)

== A little request ==

Can we have some notes to compare and contrast Fallen's tie-in IDW comics, game, and promo-render forms with the one presented in the final movie? Or at least, can someone explain to me here on this talk page? I know they're different...but I just can't put my finger on how (probably because of the drought of good full body screencaps of him in ROTF) and it's kind of bugged me for a while now. - [[User:Tyrannolodon|Tyrannolodon]] 11:09, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disciples vs. Apostles ==

''"If the first Transformers were Cybertron's '''disciples''', then The Fallen is its Judas."'' I changed this to "apostles" a short time ago, and my edit was undone with this message as accompaniment: ''"The reference is to''' Jesus' twelve disciples'''. Not all of them became apostles, and not all apostles had been disciples."'' I believe there is a confusion here between "apostle" ("one who is sent forth") and "disciple" (student). The apostles were Jesus' twelve chosen: Peter, Andrew, James the Greater, John, Phillip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James the Lesser, Thaddeus, Simon, and Judas (Judas was later replaced by Matthias, and the title was also granted to Paul and Barnabas). The disciples were simply the followers of Jesus: the first Christians. Since this page refers to the Twelve, the reference should say "apostle." And if anyone wants a source for all this (other than my Catholic upbringing), I'll list the Bible, CatholicAnswers, and my religion teacher (a Dominican sister who DEFINITELY knows what she is talking about). Sorry for the religion lesson, but I'm 99.9% sure that "apostle" is the right word here.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] - 2:30 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::You must not have listened carefully. Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Jesus, but he was never an apostle. Because he was not sent forth to teach after Jesus death and resurrection. At least that's the way it was explained in the Baptist Churches I grew up in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:36, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::The only part of Judas sent forth was his intestines. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:44, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Does that really apply anymore anyway? There is now the [[Liege Maximo|Liege Maximo]] so there would be two Judases. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:51, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm still wondering if there is any actual evidence (the two being specifically mentioned as being somewhere at the same time for instance) that The Fallen isn't the Liege Maximo. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Uh, the relevant panels at the last two BotCons? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:52, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::What exactly was said at the panels, what I've heard didn't sound definitive. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:58, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::What was said is "This is The Liege Maximo. He's one of the 13. Here is Megatronus Prime, another member of the 13. Later, Megatronus Prime becomes this guy, The Fallen." Each of those three entities had their own art. Liege Maximo looked drastically different from Megatronus/Fallen. And... I'm pretty sure The Fallen isn't going to be two different members of the 13. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:27, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Okay, that is clear. Given that it was stated that they are separate, my question is invalidated. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 21:19, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
I beg to differ, [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]]: he was sent forth '''before''' Jesus' death. [http://www.biblestudytools.com/rsv/luke/passage.aspx?q=luke+9:1-6 Luke 9:1-6] gives one account of this. Judas was one of the Twelve, AKA the apostles. Also, hee hee... intestines.
:-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 3:01 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
::I'm not arguing that he wasn't sent forth before Jesus's death, I'm arguing that "the apostles" are those sent forth AFTER Jesus's death. Paul was an apostle, never a disciple. Judas was a disciple, never an apostle (by the definition I gave). Since Fallen = Judas, apostle is not a good term to use here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:04, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Perhaps [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/apostle the dictionary definition] can settle this? Note the list of the Twelve.
::::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 15:59, 8 June 2011 (EDT) 3:59 PM, 8 June 2011 A.D.
:::::I really think this is a Catholic vs Protestant thing. To a Protestant hearing the word Apostle applied before Jesus's death seems weird. Do a google search for "12 Disciples" and look how many Protestant sources use that formulation. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:07, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Whereas to a Catholic, "12 Disciples" sounds just plain uneducated (no offense intended). So what shall be done here? (All definitions I see in dictionaries still list Judas among the apostles.) -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 16:31, 8 June 2011 (EDT)

I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say we should have it compare the Thirteen to the Archangels and that The Fallen is their Lucifer. At least Judas was remorseful enough to kill himself. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 17:02, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:Lucifer was not an Archangel. He was a Seraph. In fact, the Archangels are the second-lowest in the nine choirs. -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 18:23, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::My point still stands: I had considered changing the comparison from Judas to Lucifer ages ago but opted not to out of respect for the lead ItsWalky wrote. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:35, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::I don't think "Lucifer was not an Archangel" is something that's universally agreed upon, especially since a lot of that stuff is, well, apocryphal. Googling "Lucifer Archangel" sure brings up a lot of stuff about how Lucifer is an Archangel, for example. I think you need to start stating these things with less certainty. There's a lot of Christian mythology, and it all doesn't agree with itself. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:38, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
:::To be perfectly honest, I ''can't'' state these things with less certainty. Being Catholic, I am obligated to believe what the Church teaches. I'm actually quite surprised and fascinated to see some of these other views that I'd never heard of before. But, in Catholic teaching (which we just so happen to regard as objective reality, not just our opinion), Judas was an apostle and Lucifer was the highest of the angels and thus a Seraph. I do hope I don't sound rude or inconsiderate or <insert negative adjective here>, because I don't mean to be. I'm simply pointing out what I thought was an error (that being said, I preferred the Judas comparison to the Lucifer one; [[Unicron]] would make a better Satan parallel). -[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 20:11, 8 June 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry if this has already been resolved, but wikipedia describes the definition of "apostle" to include Judas, stating that he wasn't sent afterward, and that the title was extended past the Twelve. They were sent out in Mark 6:7-13, and Matthew 10:1-4 explicitly calls Judas one of the apostles. Like, it says "the names of the twelve apostles are" and then says "Judas". Luke 6:12-16 says this as well, and indicates that they worked alongside other disciples who were not apostles.
::As far as archangels/seraphs -- Lucifer is not given an explicit rank beyond being the "highest of angels". There are two main treatments of the angelic hierarchy -- one with simply "angels" and "archangels", and one with all nine ranks organized in three spheres, essentially splitting the other's "archangel" into eight separate rungs, the lowest of which retains the name "archangel". Both rankings place Lucifer, Gabriel, Michael, and Raphael at the top, regardless of what they actually name that rank. It's basically a difference in terms/detail, rather than intent.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:28, 28 October 2014 (EDT)
:::To be fair, I guess saying "the thirteen are his disciples" isn't really "wrong", as the apostles ''were'' disciples.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 13:29, 28 October 2014 (EDT)

==The Fallen's plan in movie continuity==
Now forgive me if this was explained in any of the more recent IDW stuff (I don't own any comics past the ROTF adaptation), but has the Fallen's initial plan with Megatron ever been explained beyond: '''1. Find star harvester, 2. Find Matrix, 3. ???, 4. Control power of the AllSpark'''? By the timeframe of ROTF, the plan is evidently to use energon from the harvester to revitalise the AllSpark-less Cybertron, but this clearly wasn't their original intention. Thanks, [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 17:48, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Split? ==

I know that the Fallen is a multiuniversal singularity, but I honestly think the Movie incarnation of The Fallen should get a seperate page. I think the character's article is getting way too long and I think we should split that section. Like [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] gets a page for his appearances in the cartoon and Marvel Comics continuities, I believe that should happen here. We should split the section into an article titled <nowiki>[[The Fallen (Movie)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen (ROTF)]]</nowiki> or <nowiki>[[The Fallen/Live-action film continuity family]]</nowiki>.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)

:I know this has been discussed before. I, like you, believe it is possible for all Fallen's to actually be 1 Fallen, but I believe the film incarnation should get a seperate page anyway because this article is getting way too long.[[Special:Contributions/72.70.64.11|72.70.64.11]] 11:26, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::49 kb is not that particularly long. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:18, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== Exodus-Exiles ==

Should the two sections be merged to better represent the in-continuity chronological order?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:46, 1 December 2011 (EST)

== Capitalization concerning the Aligned continuity. ==

I don't have "Exodus" so readily available at the moment, but in "Exiles" the capitalization is "the Fallen", more used as an adjective than a name (likely as the "Fallen Prime"). I'm willing to do this, but I move for all mentions of "the Fallen" concerning the Aligned universe be written with the lower case "t", just as "Mini-Con" is "Minicon", or the whole "Brawl/Devastator" movie thing. Not all will be "the Fallen" (like in the movies that DOES have the capitalization) just information with the Aligned continuity family. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 22:15, 31 January 2012 (EST)

== Title ==

Should this not be at Megatronus? It's his true name and the name more often used nowadays in Aligned stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:11, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:While I like the idea of putting the page at his original personal name rather than his moniker, I think more people know of the character by the moniker than by the name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:51, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:: The only time people regularly call him anything other than the Fallen is in Aligned stuff, so I'd say no. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 15:54, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:::Well, Aligned and IDW are the only stuff featuring him at this point (and are also two of the three-still running major continuities in the first place). Dreamwave material is now obscura and ROTF is a flash in the pan movie that nobody cares about anymore. The trend is towards using "Megatronus" over "the Fallen" now and that seems likely to continue in the future. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 17 December 2015 (EST)
:Ehhhhn. The movie kind of has this article by the throat. It's why we decided to break our usual rule for the article-header picture, and I think it'd be odd to go with Megatronus. Right now, anyway.- [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:30, 17 December 2015 (EST)
::I still feel ROTF is old news now. It's been two movies since then, and all the general public remembers at best is "that random evil guy who got his face ripped off in that confusing movie". Is it really that big of an impact whether this article is at Megatronus or not for those people? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:23, 23 December 2015 (EST)

:::When you say IDW is featuring Megatronus/The Fallen in their stuff, are you referring to their RID tie-in comic, or has he made an appearance in IDWG1 that I haven't heard about? -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:39, 23 December 2015 (EST)
::::He's been mentioned in IDW, and the Thirteen in general are becoming prominent parts of its mythology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:There's also the notion that one of the whole points behind this guy is that, because he did something so terrible in the past, he's not supposed to have a real name anymore. So even if we know that he real name formerly was "Megatronus", he in his present life isn't supposed to be known by that name (or any name) anymore, much like how a few Optimus Primes were formerly "Orion Pax" in their earlier lives but not in their present lives. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:17, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::But that's not really the case in Aligned... [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:29, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::: It's the case in most other works of Aligned fiction except RID. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:48, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::Exodus, Exiles, and the Covenant all made it clear that "Megatronus" was his name back ''before'' he fell, not after. The Prime cartoon even called in "The Fallen" in a present sense. Only the RID cartoon treats him with "Megatronus" as his present day name, and that's just one piece of fiction out of several. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:57, 25 December 2015 (EST)
:::::That may be true, but it's the ''only'' fiction featuring him right now. It's not like there's some other series calling him the Fallen at the same time. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:37, 25 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Unless he somehow comes back from the dead to return in season 2, RID isn't currently featuring Megatronus anymore after his only appearing in 3 out of 26 episodes, what with RID season 1 being long since done and over with by this point. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:52, 25 December 2015 (EST)

:::::::Ah. That's what I get for not actually watching the show. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 23:06, 25 December 2015 (EST)
I feel like we should revisit this? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:29, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:Seconded. With two of the three Prime Wars Trilogy cartoons using Megatronus as the primary name (Megatron only references The Fallen as a nickname/title of sorts, i.e. "the Fallen, the Flame, the one who stood apart from the original Thirteen, the first Decepticon"), that's another piece of non-Aligned media making the shift. It's also been almost a decade since RotF, so I think it doesn't hold as much weight as it used to. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:17, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::Agreed. 'The Fallen' title is rarely used anymore, with the biggest one being ROTF, but even then the movie came out almost 9 years ago. Since all current media refer to him as Megatronus, the page should really be called that. And here on this wiki, we usually do real names, not nicknames. Additionally 'Fallen' is a very common name amongst all media (and a word too). [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 14:12, 9 January 2018 (EST)
:::There is no amount of other media that counterbalances 1) the first name used for him in fiction or 2) BLOCKBUSTER LIVE ACTION MOVIE. I don't care if it was friggin' 60 years ago. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:43, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Plus it's like... in the ''title'' of that blockbuster live action movie. "Oh no, no one is going to remember the name of the bad guy from the movie with the name of the bad guy in the title" is just a weird concern. [[User:Diecast|Diecast]] ([[User talk:Diecast|talk]]) 17:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)
::::Right. Just. Fucking. Stop. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

== Change the mainpic? ==

Right, so here's the thing; RoTF's been out for a while, we've had two sequels and another forthcoming...and none of the movies since have ever even mentioned The Fallen. He's sort of become discarded within the movie continuity; I mean, you can't erase RoTF from existance, but it seems like Movie Fallen is being silently pushed aside. To this point, DW Fallen is still the most notable instance of the character, since he's both the first occurance of the concept and the (to this point) most unanimously lauded version; Aligned Fallen is screwed by Aligned itself being a clusterfuck, Movie Fallen was barely in his own movie and was not recieved well by anybody...Should we then maybe consider making Dreamwave Fallen the mainpic again?

Mostly because A) The DW-verse Fallen is the first body of the character; so, by the whole "first body/most notable body is mainpic" rule, DW!Fallen should be mainpic, not Movie!Fallen. And B) Movie Fallen has fallen into obscurity, at least as far as the character goes. We usually go with the most well-known bodies of these characters, and I know that DW (as...questionable as they were at times) still had a huge influence on TF comics, about as much as the movies did, IIRC.

So I'd say that we should at least hold a psuedo-council to see if we stick with the mainpic we have now or if we'll switch it out for a different mainpic. Anybody have any thoughts? [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 13:03, 21 February 2016 (EST)
:Most notable? How many people have seen the RotF movie versus know about the comics from a failed publisher? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:08, 21 February 2016 (EST)
::DW also single-handedly revived interest in TF comics from all sorts of comic fans, so obviously they're pretty well-known, even if they did go down in flames. RoTF, while still seen by many people, was also probably rather incredibly hampered by the massive negative reception it recieved, which means it probably didn't reach as much people as, say, it's sequel did. In fact, both DoTM and AoE are ''far'' above RoTF in revenue, so obviously a lot more people saw the former two and not the latter.

::Plus, we also need to consider that RoTF was, financially, not the most sucessful of the films; in fact, except for the original, it's the ''worst'' preforming of them. So really, I'd say DW's had a much more lasting impact than RoTF had, at least in any positive ways. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2016 (EST)

:::This accomplishes nothing. The mainpic now is perfectly fine. Besides, no one even remembers Dreamwave anymore, except to make Pat Lee jokes. I could see maybe changing the picture to a collage of Megatronus/The Fallen in various continuities similar the one over at [[Sideways (disambiguation)]], but changing to the way he looked in ten year old comics from a dead publisher is aggressively stupid. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:04, 21 February 2016 (EST)

::::Revenge of the Fallen total box office take: $836,300,000. Average ticket price in 2011: $8. Estimated number of people who saw it in the theater worldwide: 104,000,000. Let's be insanely conservative and assume that most people saw it twice. Still, 52,000,000 people. Let's further assume that the home video distribution reached a whopping ZERO people who didn't see the film theatrically.
::::Now let's look at DW. Biggest print run per issue: approximately 100,000. Let's be insanely generous and double that number, to 200,000 unique people reading a DW issue. Then let's double it again because of trade paperbacks, for 400,000. Let's double it a third time because maybe people are lending / selling their old issues. 800,000. Even with all these generous assumptions, Revenge of the Fallen had about 65 times the audience that DW did for its entire existence. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:07, 21 February 2016 (EST)

== Different Universes? What?? ==

I heard something about "Multiverse Singularity". What the heck does that mean?

Talk:Hairsplitter

2019-09-16T17:45:31Z

Skywarp Prime:

Can I put the "What kind of bear is best?" quote in the empty caption? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 13:45, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
: If you want, sure. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 21:08, 1 September 2019 (EDT)

Talk:Rainmaker

2019-09-09T01:13:29Z

Skywarp Prime: /* Siege Caption */ new section

I didn't see any discussion on any of the talk pages about this, so I'll bring it up here even though I'm sure there will be some gnashing of teeth.

But here's my argument. The Seekers from MTMTE 1 are now in toy form dubbed Rainmakers. Is there any reason we can't slot them in here somewhere?

I know, color schemes aren't consistent, but that's not really a big deal, especially where the G1 cartoon is concerned and Acid Storm has a different color layout every time anyway.

I also know it's been stated before that Sunstorm wasn't the yellow guy, but could we argue this is a case of Authorial Intent and New Fiction Trumps Old Fiction?

The thing is, these guys are Rainmakers according to the new toys, so we either say there's two different squads running around G1 with the name name or that these are the same guys (save for Hot Link who was apparently out that day.)

It could also be argued that they aren't the guys from Divide and Conquer, but The Rainmakers are simply a larger squad with six members. What does anyone think?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:46, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:''I also know it's been stated before that Sunstorm wasn't the yellow guy, but could we argue this is a case of Authorial Intent and New Fiction Trumps Old Fiction?''
:But there hasn't been any new fiction that depicts Sunstorm as the same guy as the yellow "Divide and Conquer" Rainmaker. It's not too difficult to believe that the Rainmakers have both a yellow guy and a gold guy among their ranks. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:23, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:We've had, IIRC, comment from Fun Pub people that the pack being named 'Rainmakers' wasn't ever the intent and it wound up inadvertently happening somehow. So the people who made the set never intended to make them part of this existing team, for what it's worth... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 11:25, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:The "Rainmakers" description on the toy bag and in the program was an error. They are not Rainmakers. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:32, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:The package says what it says. The BotCon guys aren't the D&C guys, but they are now Rainmakers. You could even argue that this makes Rainmaker the term for non-Conehead Seekers, but I wouldn't take it that far. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:36, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
::There's no reason for us to take what has been explicitly stated as an error by the people who made it as a fact. I mean, Minerva's packaging says Minelba on it, but we don't blindly say "oh yes, that must be her proper name". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 13:46, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Well then, did either the comic or a Funpub statement say what the team ''should'' be called? (IDK, haven't read it yet) All 3 of their pages still call their toys the "Rainmaker Set", so even adding the note "They're only called Rainmakers by mistake" won't dislodge that from people's minds. If Minerva hadn't been named anywhere other than here packaging, her name ''would'' effectively be Minelba, right? And even if authorial intent does give us a name, would it be official enough to trump "Rainmakers" by this wiki's standards? [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 14:09, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
::::I have no issue with declaring it an all out mistake, but it definitely should still be mentioned on this page. People who don't know will see the term on those toys and look it up, coming to this page. The link on the Botcon 2013 page actually takes you here which is how I noticed this.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 14:30, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
::::They don't ''have'' to have a correct name. They can just be 'those three guys from MTMTE Pt 1, just like they have been for the last 29 years. This is just my opinion, but taking something where ''the people who actually made it'' have said "no, that shouldn't have been there, it's wrong" and treating it as fact and redefining a bunch of characters because of it seems ''incredibly'' silly. By all means note the error here, but we shouldn't be listing the 'welcoming committee' as new Rainmakers, IMO. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 14:32, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::We'll need to note this on the individual pages and the BotCon 2013 page as well.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:30, 5 September 2013 (EDT)

== Siege Caption ==

Can I a caption for the Siege toys? I wanted to put in a joke.

Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)

2019-09-07T15:28:12Z

Skywarp Prime:

{{Nav-aoe}}
[[File:Transformers- Age of ExtinctionOptimusPrimePoster.jpg‎|thumb|upright=1.67|An adventure 65 million years in the making.]]

'''''Transformers: Age of Extinction''''' is the fourth film in the [[live-action film series]]. It was released on [[June 27]], [[2014]].

Following the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Battle of Chicago]], humanity has come to fear both Autobots and Decepticons alike. With the aid of a Transformer mercenary named [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]], a CIA [[Cemetery Wind|task-force]] operated by [[Harold Attinger]] begins hunting the remaining [[Transformer]]s on [[Earth]]. Hunted by enemies that were once his allies, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] loses faith in humanity and sends his forces into hiding. Now, five years later, struggling inventor and single-father [[Cade Yeager]] discovers a damaged Transformer, placing both himself and his [[Tessa Yeager|daughter]] on a collision course with events that threaten the extinction of humankind itself.

{{bigquote|The trouble with loyalty to a cause is that the cause will ''always'' betray you.|[[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]]|''Transformers: Age of Extinction''}}

==Synopsis==

[[File:The Creators cyberforming Earth AOE.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs."]]
65 million years ago, on Cretaceous [[Earth]], a ''Psittacosaurus'' is out hunting for food. The small dinosaur finds a fish and starts to feed, but stops as hundreds of alien ships enter Earth's atmosphere, piloted by the mysterious [[Creator (AOE)|"Creators"]]. The alien ships launch dozens of strange [[Seed]]s across the planet. As they detonate, they convert the landscape and the herds of panicking dinosaurs into a metallic substance, ending the Age of Dinosaurs. Millions of years later, while digging in the [[Arctic]], a team of geologists uncover a mysterious pair of metallized dinosaur skeletons - a discovery that attracts the attention of [[Darcy Tirrel]]...

Five years after the invasion of [[Chicago]], tensions between humans and Cybertronians have risen dramatically. Although the Autobots are officially granted asylum on Earth, public opinion has turned against all Transformers. The government of the United States has terminated all human-Autobot joint programs and instated [[Cemetery Wind]], an elite [[CIA]] unit intended to flush out the handful of [[Decepticon]]s left on Earth. What the President doesn't know is that [[Harold Attinger]], the leader of the operation, is slaughtering all Transformers, regardless of faction. On one such mission, the team pinpoints [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] hiding within an abandoned boat. He immediately tries to flee, but is crippled and brought down by their weapons. The team leader, [[James Savoy]], mockingly asks why Ratchet ran if he's not their enemy, and Ratchet replays a transmission he received from [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], ordering all Autobots to hide from humans. However, Savoy dismisses his pleas as his sister was killed in Chicago. A Transformer bounty hunter, [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]], who has actually been helping Cemetery Wind hunt the Autobots, emerges from the nearby swamp and attacks Ratchet, further damaging him. Walking past his human allies, Lockdown demands to know [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s whereabouts. When Ratchet refuses, Lockdown brutally kills him by ripping out his spark.
[[File:AOE Ratchet dying.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"Condors. Condors are on the verge of extinction..."]]

In Texas, struggling inventor [[Cade Yeager]] and his friend/employee [[Lucas Flannery]] meet at an old theater, looking for salvage. He finds an old truck, and upon inspection it seems to be full of artillery shells. He buys the truck along with the other theater equipment and puts it in his garage.[[Tessa Yeager|Tessa]], Cade's daughter, observes this while video-chatting with her boyfriend and criticizes her dad for buying the heap of junk. While attempting to salvage the truck's engine to sell, Cade realizes it's actually a badly-damaged Transformer. After calling Lucas and Tessa, he connects jumper cables to its engine, only for it to begin replaying the distress call Ratchet had received earlier. Lucas and Tessa advocate calling the government, claiming that there is a huge reward for Transformers. Cade convinces them not to call the authorities until he can spend more time working on the truck, as he may be able to stumble on a technological breakthrough if he can figure out how the Transformers work. When Cade removes a live missile from the truck's "power core," it transforms into a heavily injured Optimus Prime, who roars at them to stay back while he swings his weapon around the barn. Cade, Lucas, and Tessa ask why Optimus is so badly damaged, to which he replies that the Autobots are being hunted and he must help them. Cade offers to repair him, and sends Lucas to buy the parts that will enable him to fix Optimus. Cade and Optimus begin to bond as the repairs begin.
[[File:AOE-injuredoptimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"Should we chance moving him?"]]

In the Arctic, Attinger arrives via helicopter at [[Knight Ship|Lockdown's ship]] and demands to know why Optimus Prime escaped him in [[Mexico]]. Lockdown derisively tells Attinger that Optimus Prime would not have escaped were it not for Cemetery Wind's interference, stressing that he does not care about Attinger or his goals and wishes only to capture Optimus Prime.

Shortly after returning to [[Washington, D.C.]], Attinger receives a tip that Optimus Prime has been located in Texas and sends Savoy and Cemetery Wind to apprehend him. The agents swarm the barn, but there is no trace of Prime inside. When Savoy threatens Tessa to force Cade to tell him of Prime's whereabouts, the Autobot leader explodes out of the barn's basement in which he was hiding. He escapes after a brief skirmish that destroys the Yeager residence, with both Cemetery Wind and Lockdown in pursuit. As Cade catches one of Cemetery Wind's mini drones, a white rally car zooms over the adjacent fields and picks up the Yeagers and Lucas. The driver turns out to be [[Shane Dyson|Shane]], a rally car racer who is also Tessa's boyfriend. A group of Cemetery Wind vehicles begins chasing them.
[[File:Optimus shooting humans AOE.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"You think they'll have that on the tour?"]]

Both the rally car and Optimus Prime are chased into an abandoned factory, where Optimus Prime fights off Lockdown. Shane puts his driving skills to good use and pulls a series of tight maneuvers that result in the Cemetery Wind cars crashing, destroys his car in the process. Optimus Prime, who has caught Lockdown in a crane cable, transforms and tells the humans to pile into him and escape. Lockdown throws a grenade at the humans as they run towards Optimus Prime; though Shane and the Yeagers escape, Lucas is caught in the blast and killed.

Arriving at an abandoned gas station, Optimus orders the humans out and drives off to ensure that they have not been followed. Cade confronts Tessa and Shane about their relationship but Tessa gets angry at Cade for putting them all in danger. The next day, Optimus and the humans set off towards Monument Valley. Prime [[trans-scan|scans]] a passing truck, sheds his layer of rust and takes on a new form with his old paint scheme. They arrive in Monument Valley where they meet the other surviving Autobots in the form of [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]], [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]], and their de facto leader [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]. Crosshairs and Hound start threatening the humans for having their species betray them but Optimus convinces them that they have risked their lives to save his. The Humans notice that there are clear tensions between the Autobots. Cade reveals footage of the attack on Ratchet and [[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot's]] demise using the stolen aerial drone and Prime declares that he will kill the one responsible for hunting down the Autobots.

[[File:Autobots unite monument valley AOE.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"Dr. Grant, my dear Dr. Sattler... Welcome to [[Jurassic Park]]." ]]

Inspection of the drone leads them to a company named [[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated|KSI]], located in a rebuilt Chicago. It is run by [[Joshua Joyce]], who is working with [[Su Yueming]] and Attinger to create artificial Transformers to eventually be used in the military. Using the remains of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], [[Starscream (Movie)|the]] [[Soundwave (ROTF)|countless]] [[Shockwave (Movie)|Decepticons]] from the Chicago battle and the hunted Autobots, they have synthesized the metal that the Transformers are made of, calling it [[Living metal#Live-action film series|Transformium]]. When given commands through a computer, Transformium can be changed into various shapes or objects. Although a drone called [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]] (designed after Bumblebee) is active, Joshua's major project is a bigger, stronger drone called [[Megatron (Movie)|Galvatron]]. However, his attempts have not been successful; the drone keeps resembling Megatron instead of the friendlier image of Optimus Prime. Bumblebee builds Cade and Shane faux-ID badges which the duo use to infiltrate KSI. Cade goes further in and projects imagery of Ratchet's severed head being melted down, which sends Prime into a rage.

[[File:Joshua Joyce Transformium Experiment AOE.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"God help us, we're in the hands of engineers."]]

However, Cade is caught when his ID badge is found to have been scanned twice (by him and its original owner). He is taken to the upper floors and confronted by Attinger, who claims that what he has witnessed is in the name of world peace. He also asks him about the whereabouts of Optimus Prime but Cade maintains his silence.

Furious over how the humans have mutilated their comrades, Optimus orders an attack on KSI. Bumblebee, carried by Drift in copter mode, rescues Cade. The others trash the lab, free the injured and enslaved [[Brains]], and confront Joshua, only for him to openly declare that what is being done is being done to prevent more Transformer-caused damage and that the humans "don't need" the Autobots. Disheartened, Prime orders a retreat.

As the Autobots exit the factory and leave, Attinger catches up with Joshua and claims that the Autobots are terrorists for attacking the facility. He coerces Joyce to use the two functional drones to take down the Autobots. Galvatron and Stinger activate and pursue their quarry across a highway, with Galvatron doing more damage than his KSI handlers intend. Bumblebee fires upon Galvatron but is surprised to see him simply disintegrate and reintegrate again. Galvatron attacks Prime. As they battle, Optimus declares that the artificial creation has no soul, to which it retorts "That is why I have no FEAR!"

[[File:AOEGalvatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"Kids! You want to have one of those?"]]

As Tessa scrambles for cover in a nearby vehicle, Prime is suddenly shot from the back and falls-Lockdown has arrived, along with his ship! Lockdown gloats to his prisoner, claiming that Optimus was built, not born, and now the Creators want him returned in one piece. The bounty hunter orders a net dropped over Optimus and hoists both the Autobot leader and Tessa's hiding place into his ship. Cade desperately clings to the net, but his strength gives out and he falls to the fields below. As the spaceship departs, Cade and Shane vow to get Tessa back.

Lockdown throws Prime in a cage and orders his lackeys to dispose of Tessa. Prime takes note of several other aliens in similar cages, including [[Dinobot (AOE)|other Cybertronian warriors]]. He also discovers the original purpose of the mercenary ship: it was originally used by a group of legendary Knights (presumably including Prime himself) but now acts as Lockdown's flying prison. Lockdown's ship hovers over Chicago, triggering panic in the streets, but Attinger manages to talk down the authorities and send Savoy to rendezvous with Lockdown. As payment for Prime's capture, Lockdown gives him a Seed.

Cade, Shane, and the other Autobots get aboard the ship as it flies low over a bridge. While being pursued by Lockdown's henchmen, the two humans find a strange Knight armory, from which Cade takes a sword that opens up to form a gun. While Shane and Cade rescue Tessa, Crosshairs deploys the ship's mooring cables, which fire into the Willis Tower and preventing the ship from breaking atmosphere. The humans begin to clamber down the cables to safety, but they are pursued by a pack of [[Steeljaw (AOE)|Steeljaw]]s. Bumblebee manages to save the trio. The other Autobots locate Optimus, who reveals that the section of the ship they are on can separate from the main body. Crosshairs uses a gunship to pick up Bumblebee and the humans, then leads them on a dogfight through Chicago's streets, destroying some of Lockdown's [[Shadow Raider|mercenaries]].

[[File:Prime gets shotAOE.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"It could have been worse, John. A lot worse."]]

Back at KSI, it is decided that all equipment is to be moved to the Beijing facility to continue operations. Joshua is also none too pleased about the previous field test of Galvatron; not only was it a loss on several fronts, but the drone also ''spoke'', which was something it was ''not'' programmed to do!

The Autobots land their new ship at an abandoned train yard. Optimus claims that he sensed Megatron's presence during his fight with Galvatron. Brains explains Galvatron's true nature: while he decoded dead Transformer brains, he learned that Megatron's mind had survived and planned to transfer itself to Galvatron's body, explaining Galvatron's sinister appearance. The tiny bot further mentions how Galvatron used his knowledge to build Stinger and the other drones, with plans to make them into his personal army. As Tessa tells the group about the Seed she saw, Optimus and Hound explain that the Creators used Seeds to convert organic material into metal, then harvested the resulting Transformium for their own purposes. Cade makes a call to Joyce and relays the newfound data about Galvatron. Knowing that Joyce is also an inventor with a heart, he pleads with Joyce to shut down Galvatron before things escalate. Although Joyce puts up an unconvinced façade, he demands increased security around Galvatron after hanging up.

As police cars surround the train yard, the Autobots board their shuttle again and take to the air. Optimus says that though the Autobots will travel to Hong Kong and get the Seed back, they will leave Earth afterwards; they are done protecting humanity. Cade disagrees but Prime is non-responsive. They later debate the matter, with Cade attempting to reignite Prime's faith in humanity.

In deep space, Lockdown finally discovers the absence of the smaller ship. He grumbles about Optimus Prime taking his trophy case and how the Prime will feel his wrath while he reverses course. Joyce meets with Attinger and Savoy and receives the Seed. Joyce intends to detonate it in a region of the [[Gobi Desert]], which will generate enough Transformium to last a century. Attinger is eager to expedite production but grows incensed when Joshua disagrees and says that they should go slower, quite obviously moved by Cade's call. Meanwhile, Galvatron activates ''himself'' and starts to infect the legion of over fifty other KSI Transformers. When the alarm rings regarding Galvatron's escape, Joyce has Attinger and Savoy evacuated from the building and gets in a car with Su, an associate named Darcy, and the Seed. They decide to try to hide the Seed in [[Hong Kong]].

Being hunted by Attinger and Savoy, Joyce seeks refuge on a rooftop when the Autobot-piloted ship arrives and attempts to pick him and the Seed up. However, Galvatron and his drones ramy arrive and shoot down the airborne vessel, causing Bumblebee, Hound, and the Yeagers to spill out while the others (Prime, Crosshairs, Drift, and the captured Knights) to careen away into the Wulong Valley. Savoy finds the Yeagers and Joyce on the rooftop and open fires on them but Cade leads him away from the others. The two jump across rooftops, eventually crashing into a house and getting into a fist fight which ends with Savoy falling from a window to his death.

Hound and Bumblebee attempt to escort the humans and the Seed out of the city, but are cut short when Joshua points out that the KSI-built Transformers were specifically built to destroy any Autobots or Decepticons left on Earth. This prompts Prime to enter the crashed ship and activate the armory as well as release the other captives within the ship. As Hound and Bumblebee hold the line and protect the humans, Optimus tries to convince the Legendary Warriors to fight alongside them. Their [[Grimlock (AOE)|apparent leader]] violently declines at first, fighting the Prime in both his massive robot mode and his Tyrannosaurus mode. Optimus quickly defeats him, saying that he and the other warriors will protect his family or die, then mounts the metal dinosaur. The Autobots mount their Dinobots and charge over the mountains into Hong Kong.

[[File:Dinobots ready for battle AOE.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|"''T. rex'' doesn't want to be fed. He wants to ''hunt''."]]

Meanwhile, as Hound and Bumblebee are starting to be overwhelmed by Galvatron's drone forces, Optimus and his fellow Autobots storm into the city, slamming, crushing, stomping, and chomping all nearby enemies. Galvatron retreats as the Autobots and Dinobots decimate his forces. With this battle over, Optimus confronts Joshua for his actions and gives the order to defend the humans and escort them, and the Seed, away from the city. On the way, a homing beacon within the Seed activates, allowing Lockdown to track the Autobots down. He activates a massive magnet, wreaking havoc on Hong Kong. Everything metal from kitchenware to massive ships are picked up by the magnet, including the Autobots and Dinobots. After narrowly avoiding the magnet, the Yeagers are momentarily separated from the Autobots. Optimus shoots at the magnet, destroying it and releasing the Transformers from its influence. The ship retreats to a nearby factory, with Optimus hot on its trail. Cade tells his daughter to stay with Shane and the Autobots, as he wishes to fight alongside Optimus against Lockdown. As Optimus Prime and Lockdown battle one-on-one, Attinger corners Yeager with a pistol, accusing him of choosing aliens over his own race, but he is quickly shot and killed by Optimus.

Because of Optimus's choice to save Cade before defending himself, Lockdown gains the upper hand, impaling Optimus through the chest with his own sword and pinning him to a concrete pillar. Meanwhile, Tessa convinces Bumblebee to turn around and the three join in fighting Lockdown, allowing Shane to use a tow truck to unpin Prime. Just as Lockdown is about to kill Cade, Optimus jumps up and slices the bounty hunter in half. Activating one of Lockdown's grenades, Prime tells the humans to hold on and uses rocket boosters to escape while the grenade destroys the last of the KSI drones. Galvatron has survived and retreated to the outskirts of the city; watching Prime blast off, he tells Optimus to beware, for he is reborn...

[[File:AOE-DefendThisFamily.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"I don't know. I guess... I guess we'll just have to evolve too."]]

The Autobots, Dinobots, and their human allies all regroup on the waterfront. Cade and Tessa happily reconcile and Cade finally accepts Shane. Joshua nobly says he will help them with their destroyed home. Prime declares the Dinobots are now free as they depart for parts unknown. With the bounty on his head placing the entire Earth in danger, Prime blasts off into space with the Seed to confront the Creators and discover the mystery behind his own origins, but not before ordering the Autobots to protect the Yeager family. As he leaves Earth's atmosphere, Optimus Prime sends a message to his Creators to leave planet Earth alone, because he's coming for them.

{{--}}

==Quotes==
"Lockdown...?" 
"Autobots, Decepticons, like little children, always fighting; making a mess out of the universe, then ''I've'' got to clean it up! There is one way you survive. Tell me where he's hiding. Where is Optimus Prime?" 
"Never." 
''(Lockdown rips out Ratchet's spark)'' 
"Never is here." 
:—'''Ratchet''''s final moments before '''Lockdown''' kills him.

"In this planet we have a saying: ''The enemy of my enemy is my friend''." 
"I also have a saying: '''''I don't care'''''."
:—'''Harold Attinger''' discusses with '''Lockdown'''.

"Every galaxy I've traveled, all you species are the same. You all think you're the center of the universe. You have no idea..."
:—'''Lockdown''' never truly appreciated one of his clients.

"Human beings. Bunch of backstabbing weasels!" 
"Hound, find your inner compass. ''Loyalty is but a flower in the winds of fear and temptation.''" 
"What the hell are you saying?!?" 
"It's a haiku." 
"Cut the crap before I drop a grenade down your throat!" 
"Try it, you'll be dead!" 
"Oh, please pull it. Please do it."
:—'''Hound''' doesn't appreciate '''Drift's''' haikus.

"With your fate unknown, Bumblebee has held command, despite his complete and total lack of anything resembling warrior discipline. He's like a child." 
"This child is about to ''kick your ass!''"
:—'''Drift''' and '''Bumblebee'''

"Autobots, I have sworn never to kill humans..." 
"Big mistake." 
"...but when I find out who's behind this...he's going to ''die''." 
"Hoo-ah!"
:—'''Prime's''' rage is fueled by '''Hound'''.

"Destroy the lab! Destroy it all!" 
''(The Autobots lay waste to the KSI research facility)'' 
"Hey, you! Stop! That's company property!" 
"They're not ''your'' property! ''They were my friends.''" 
:—'''Optimus Prime''' duly informs '''Joshua Joyce''' that Transformers aren't just machines.

"You have no soul!" 
"That is why I have no ''fear''!"
:—'''Optimus Prime'''' is shocked to find '''Galvatron''' isn't as lifeless as he thought.

"We're behind enemy lines now. Lockdown's ship has booby traps! Eyes open." 
"Beware of his bone-grinders, brain-blinders, flesh-stealers, chromosomal-inverters, catatonic slugs, black hole trapdoors and of course, radiation."

:—'''Hound''' and '''Crosshairs''' warn the humans of the perils held within Lockdown's ship.

"I was expecting a [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Alternators.2FBinaltech|giant car!]]"
:—'''Drift''' witnessing Grimlock transform into a dinosaur.

"Autobots, we're going to prove who we are, and ''why we're here''!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' rallies his troops with his characteristic passion and charisma.

"Ugh, you just wanna die for the guy. ''That's'' leadership. Or brainwashing, or something." 
"No, that's Optimus Prime."
:—'''Crosshairs''' and '''Drift''', remarking on their [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|leader]]/[[Dinobot (AOE)|Giant Robot Dinosaur]] tamer.

"I'm like a fat ballerina who takes scalps and slits throats!"
:—'''Hound''' takes another five levels in badass and ballerina class.

"How do you say 'Get the f&%# out of the way' in Chinese?"
:—'''Joshua''' has some issues with the language barrier.

"I hate cheap knockoffs."
:—'''Bumblebee''' looking for [[Jazz (Movie)#Human_Alliance|Human Alliance Jazz]] on [[eBay|eBay]].

"We shall meet again, Prime, for I am reborn."
:—'''Galvatron''' retreats to fight another day.

"There are mysteries to the universe we were never meant to solve, but who we are and why we are here are not among them. Those answers we carry inside. I am Optimus Prime, and this message is to my Creators. Leave planet Earth alone. 'Cause I'm coming...for you."
:—'''Optimus Prime'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s closing narration.

==Main cast==
{{featuredcharacters|
h1=[[Autobot]]s|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Peter Cullen]])
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] ([[John Goodman]])
*[[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] ([[Ken Watanabe]])
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] ([[Robert Foxworth]])
*[[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]] ([[John DiMaggio]])
*[[Leadfoot (DOTM)|Leadfoot]] (video footage)
*[[Brains]] ([[Reno Wilson]])
*[[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]]
**[[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]]
**[[Scorn]]
**[[Slug (AOE)|Slug]]
**[[Strafe (AOE)|Strafe]]
*[[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]'s head
|h2=[[Decepticon]]s|c2=
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Galvatron]] ([[Frank Welker]])
*[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s head
*[[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]]
*[[Junkheap (AOE)|Junkheap]]
*[[KSI Sentry|KSI Sentries]]
*[[KSI Boss]]es
*"[[Two Head]]s"
*[[McLaren Decepticon]]
*[[Aston Martin Decepticon]]
*[[Insecticon (Movie)|Insecticons]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] (video footage)
*[[Protoform]]s (video footage)

|h3=[[Human]]s|c3=
*[[Cade Yeager]] ([[Mark Wahlberg]])
*[[Tessa Yeager]] ([[Nicola Peltz]])
*[[Shane Dyson]] ([[Jack Reynor]])
*[[Joshua Joyce]] ([[Stanley Tucci]])
*[[Harold Attinger]] ([[Kelsey Grammer]])
*[[James Savoy]] ([[Titus Welliver]])
*[[Lucas Flannery]] ([[T. J. Miller]])
*[[Darcy Tirrel]] ([[Sophia Myles]])
*[[Su Yueming]] ([[Li Bingbing]])
*[[Gill Wembley]] ([[James Bachman]])
*[[Chief of Staff]] ([[Thomas Lennon]])

|h4=Others|c4=
'''Lockdown's crew'''
*[[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] ([[Mark Ryan]])
*[[Shadow Raider]]s
*[[Steeljaw (AOE)|Steeljaws]]
*[[Stupid Drone]]s
'''[[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated|KSI]] prototypes'''
*[[Oreo Transformer]]
|nonumbering=true
}}

==Errors==
===Continuity errors===
[[File:DeceasedTransformersAOE.jpg‎|thumb|upright=1.6|Your attention, please. Will the ''real'' Optimus Prime please stand up?]]
[[File:AOECrosshairsDriftWeirdEdit.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|What just happened? No, seriously. Is there some kind of timey-wimey thing going on?]]
[[File:AOE savoy eyegouge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|"An eye for an eye makes the whole world-OH MY GOD!!!"]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] is seen on the cards Attinger pulls out early in the film, listed as deceased and having been last seen in Chicago. However, Ironhide was killed by Sentinel Prime in Washington, D.C., midway through ''Dark of the Moon'', and long before the final battle in Chicago.
*Scenes from the Decepticons' invasion of Chicago in ''Dark of the Moon'' are shown as archival footage presented by Attinger. While it is conceivable some lucky people with cameras recorded the initial attack and managed to survive and publish their footage, it's highly unlikely people would've been able to get close-up video footage of the NEST team taking down [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and the other Decepticons.
*A Cemetery Wind vehicle smashes into the side of Shane's car during the chase through the cornfield, but the car doesn't show any damage to that side in subsequent shots.
*Tessa and Shane's reliance on Romeo and Juliet laws is unnecessary, since the age of consent in Texas is 17.
*During the 'Autobots reunite' sequence, Drift starts out in car mode on a road with Bumblebee and Crosshairs, before suddenly appearing atop a rock formation in robot mode and transforming to helicopter mode to meet up with Optimus Prime.
*When Crosshairs and Drift are talking on board Lockdown's ship shortly after boarding it, a ''very'' bizarre edit occurs in the middle of Drift's line "Better hurry, because dark matter drives are preparing to take off". The camera angle is now slightly different than before, but it's not a switch between a long shot and a close-up or a complete change of perspective. Oddly, Drift is still seen from the almost the ''exact same angle'' as before the edit, but even though his and Crosshairs's bodies were at an almost 90 degree angle before the edit, they're now suddenly almost standing in parallel to each other, with Crosshairs' head turned towards Drift. In addition, a flame that appeared in front of Drift just before the edit is suddenly gone.
*When Shane shouts "I surrender!" and drops his "gun-sword", the hilt is facing to the right, but after a close-up showed it landing on the ground and firing a shot, the hilt is suddenly facing to the ''left'' in the subsequent long shot when it fires more shots.
*When Joshua reunites with the rest of the group in Hong Kong, Darcy tells him she'll do a diversion, and to get the Seed somewhere safe. Yet, no diversion of any kind happens.
*As Cade and Savoy grapple in the apartment, Cade jams his thumb deep into Savoy's eye socket (see right), with accompanying "squlech" sound effect, and appropriate reaction from Savoy in the form of a long howl of pain through gritted teeth and a string of drool flowing uncontrolled from his mouth. But as soon as the two separate, Savoy's eye is absolutely fine, with no indication anything is supposed to have happened to it.
*During Hound's fight with [[Two Head]], Cade is seen wearing his jacket but reverts back to his shirt following the Decepticon's defeat.
*While Lockdown is pulling up parts of the city, Shane backs the car into a building which is two stories high at most, but appears much larger on the inside.

===Technical/animation errors===
*The shot right before the close-up of the cyberformed dinosaurs has no cyberformed dinosaurs at all, despite having all the excavation vehicles in the same positions as the next scene.
* Arcee is seen on Attinger's cards misspelled as "Acree".
** Additionally, the image on the card is of [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]]; while an Arcee ''sister'', is not Arcee herself. This could potentially be explained by the movie ignoring the retcon from the comics that changed her from one character with three bodies to three characters psychically linked by a single spark.
*When Savoy says "Use the mini drones", you can clearly see the green screen in the monitors.
*As Cemetery Wind are attacking Ratchet, a helicopter fires several missiles at him. Two of the missiles miss him, but do not detonate or cause any explosion of any kind to the structures immediately behind Ratchet, and are not even seen to hit them- they simply disappear.
*When Attinger takes over the operation to scramble Cemetery Wind after Optimus, and dismisses everyone in the room, he does so by saying "Ladies and gentlemen, this room is going dark. The exit is on your left." All the people then get up and begin to exit to their ''right''.
*Scrambling Cemetery Wind seems to scramble the timeline. From the deployment of Cemetery Wind to Lucas's death, the time of day is in limbo. For example, Optimus escapes from the Yeager property at sunset, joining the pursuit that takes place in early afternoon, not to mention that Cemetery Wind arrives at the Yeagers' home town at what appears to be dawn. In some instances, repeated changes between shots correspond with changes between different times of day, as different positions of the sun result in very very obviously different lighting conditions.
*When Lockdown transforms to prepare for the attack on Optimus, one can clearly see a faux-part Lamborghini logo pop out from inside the car, while the actual logo disappears.
*In the shot of Shane's car pulling up outside of the Yeager farm after Cemetery Wind has stormed in, nobody is seen inside the vehicle.
*During the scene where Cade is pretending to be a truck driver with Optimus still in his flat-nose truck form, he has a cap and white plaid shirt on. After Optimus scans into his newer form, Cade's back to wearing his leather jacket.
*When Shane's car gets sideswiped in the cornfield, the back left window is shattered. A couple scenes later, the window is just rolled down.
*When Shane's car breaks into a building, the woman sitting right in the middle of the room is clearly waiting on the glass-breaking noise to start running.
*After Lucas' death, there is nothing really stopping Lockdown or Cemetery Wind from continuing to chase Optimus. Lockdown is much faster and could easily catch up to Optimus whilst Cemetery Wind could chase in their remaining vehicles.
*When Optimus transforms to and from his Marmon 97 alternate mode, the windows and grille that make up his chest visibly change size and shape.
*When Optimus transforms out of his flat-nosed truck mode and punches the ground, Tessa and Shane are standing next to each other, as viewed from behind Optimus. When the view immediately switches to be facing Optimus, Cade is suddenly standing between the two.
*Shane defends his relationship with Tessa by stating that the 'Romeo and Juliet laws' "statute 2705-3" protect their relationship, yet the card he shows Cade reads "Statute 22.011". This is also the number that appears in the English subtitles of the DVD, meaning that it was scripted as 22.011 and not 2705-3.
*The truck that Optimus scans, while still being from the Western Star manufacturer, is an older and different model than the one he transforms into.
*When Optimus is on his way to the reunion site, the human characters inside are sitting this way: Shane to the right, Tessa in the Middle and Cade to the left. However when Optimus gets to the reunion point Cade comes out of the truck using Shane's side door (right) instead of his (left). It is clear they (the director and his crew) were trying to get a "superhero" pose but it doesn't make sense.
*When Optimus arrived to the reunion site you can see the filming crew in the reflection of his front chrome parts.
*The statement that Drift claims to be a haiku ("Loyalty is but a flower in the winds of fear and temptation") is not actually a haiku: poems of that style generally consist of three separate statements in a 5-7-5 syllable pattern; the one mentioned in the film is a single unbroken statement that totals to the 17 syllables that a haiku technically consists of.
*Hound's dialogue when he's bickering with Drift doesn't really match up to what we see. Drift pulls his swords on Hound, but the big guy goads him on to "pull it", suggesting Drift was originally supposed to aim a firearm at him.
[[File:Uncolored Ratchet head prop.jpg‎|thumb|upright=1.67|Gray is the new green.]]
*When Joshua is in the lab showing Darcy Transformium, in two different shots, a gray, uncolored prop of Ratchet's head can be seen being worked on in the next room.
*As Cade's drone scans a KSI employee's name tag, it displays its location onscreen as around N 38°44'55", W115°28'27". These coordinates are for a [https://www.google.com/maps/place/38%C2%B044%2755.0%22N+115%C2%B028%2727.0%22W/@38.7486111,-115.4741667,3048m patch of desert in Nevada] rather than any place in Chicago.
*While first infiltrating KSI, in the showroom where Stinger is first viewed, Bumblebee is in car mode when Joshua walks in with Yueming. Bumblebee's engine audibly revs, yet Joshua doesn't notice that there's no one in the car to rev the engine.
[[File:Megatron Head at KSI.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|Screw logic!]]
*Megatron's severed head is in somewhat good shape for someone who got an axe stabbed on the top of his head. Furthermore, his head is more in line with its appearance in the first movie not ''Dark of the Moon''.
*Not to mention, after Joshua's group leaves and Bumblebee knocks Stinger down, there's no transformation noise right before Bumblebee returns to his altmode and the KSI executive walks in. Additionally, Bumblebee starts playing M.C. Hammer's "U Can't Touch This", '''when no one is in the car''' to turn the stereo on. Ostensibly it was for a comic moment, but it didn't raise anyone's suspicions that a car that wasn't typical of the ones being scanned, operating the engine and the stereo with no human inside, might be a disguised Cybertronian?
*After Bumblebee scans his new alternate mode, the camera pans over the car and Tessa and Shane are not inside. However when he's getting his new upgraded form you can see that they used stunt doubles for Shane and Tessa. That scene wasn't dangerous enough to require stunt doubles, was it?
*Some security guards in KSI fail to react to Crosshairs's shooting and shouting until a few seconds before the scene changes.
*When Galvatron first transforms and crashes into a truck, the way he is composed in the scene makes it look like he is simply floating above the wreckage, instead of being in the middle causing it.
*When Optimus transforms, Cade and Shane leap out of Optimus, while Tessa is trapped and rolls away. However, previous shots establish that the seating order in Optimus is Shane, Tessa, Cade. This means that Cade crawled over his daughter to escape(!), which is not quite logical or possible.
*Lockdown fires two missiles at Optimus Prime that, despite piercing his chest, don't manifest any kind of visible damage on his person, despite the previous shot showing Optimus's chest getting blown apart.
*When Lockdown is approaching Optimus after gunning him down, the driver's door of the Cadillac SRX he's resting on is shown to be open in two exterior shots, even though Tessa previously closed it after getting inside, and it's also shown closed in other (mostly interior) shots.
*When he loses his grip on the net holding Optimus and the car containing Tessa, Cade is shown falling toward the street, but he lands on the grass by the road.
*When the Autobots are on a bridge, before boarding Lockdown's ship, Crosshairs is clearly shown to be speaking but no dialogue is heard.
*Also in that same scene when Hound says "It's a bad idea but I'm all about bad ideas" his mouth movements are slightly out of synch.
*When Tessa gets taken to the trash in Lockdown's ship, a green screen can be seen at the end of the corridor.
*While locking up Optimus, Lockdown's scar is on the left side of his face. While talking to Savoy upon delivering the seed, it's on the right side of his face; however, it switches back to the left side right before he walks off after bidding Earth farewell.
*While the human characters are climbing across the anchor cables to the high-rise building some of the Steeljaws begin to climb out after them. Cade tells his daughter not to look back and see them, but when we cut back to her, with a clear view of the cables behind her, the Steeljaws are gone.
*When Bumblebee jumps off Lockdown's ship to save the humans, he is followed by a Steeljaw. In the following shot, the Steeljaw is gone.
*While explaining Megatron's plans to the Autobots, Brains rings a bell on a train. In the next shot, the bell is not moving.
*During the motorcycle chase, the CIA cars change. At first, Joshua and Su are trailed by a Cadillac and an Audi; in the middle of the chase, the Cadillac is replaced by another Audi. By the end of the chase, the Cadillac is back.
*In Hong Kong, when Cade, Joshua, Tessa, and Shane enter the elevator to run away from the rooftop, the elevator won't move and Cade says it's overloaded. But in the next scene, we see that the maximum number of people that the elevator can carry is nine, and it's very clear that the Seed doesn't weight as much as five people.
*When Grimlock transforms to his dino mode and charges at Optimus, there are no other Dinobots, nor the ship, to be seen in the background. However, after Optimus punches Grimlock and the shot changes, Dinobots are standing almost right next to him.
*Optimus somehow has enough strength to not only maintain his ground, but propel Grimlock through the air during his charge. Considering Grimlock's strength, velocity and weight, it is highly unlikely Optimus would win.
*Immediately after he transforms into his triceratops mode, Slug is shown to have a very visible Autobot logo on his dino-mode forehead, yet he just met Optimus and the other Autobots moments before.
*One of the air conditioning units kicked off the building exterior by Savoy falls away to reveal ... a solid wall, with no connection to an apartment's interior.
*During Hound's stand in Hong Kong, the pickup truck he uses as a shield sways left to right whilst his arm remains still.
*The damage Hound receives after being shot down, most noticeably the pipe on his left shoulder, is fixed in subsequent shots.
*Crosshairs is seen driving alongside Drift and Hound through the bridge to take the Seed away from the city ... right after we just saw him staying behind to hold the line with the Dinobots.
*During the final fight, Bumblebee decides to just leave midway. Considering the distance between the factory and the dock where they met, he must have left long before Optimus flew there.
*Also during the final flight, Cade is hiding on his own behind a wall. After Lockdown fires, a second person is seen behind him. In the next shot this person has disappeared. Looking closely, the second person is wearing a suit like Attinger. Alternate take of his death, perhaps?
*After Optimus takes off, the other Autobots are absent from the shot of the main cast watching Optimus fly off.

===Geographic discontinuities===
*When Cade tries to use his card at an ATM, not only is the card issued from a Chinese bank, which wouldn't have any branches in north Texas, where the Yeagers live, the text on the ATM screen (behind the ''Access Denied'' warning) is in Chinese.
*Despite being from north Texas, Cade and Tessa have no Texas accents—not all Texans have noticeable accents of course, but Cade can be heard speaking with a slight ''Boston'' accent in the trainyard ("I'm doing stuff out of my league here!"), which is likely due to his portrayer, Mark Wahlberg, being a Boston native.
*Despite the KSI pursuit scene taking place on a two lane highway, there are several scenes spliced in of the Transformers with supercar alt modes (like Stinger and Crosshairs) driving on what is obviously a racecourse (specifically the GM proving grounds in Milford, Michigan). This is apparent by the horizontal incline of the road in some of the shots that are also missing the markings that would normally be on a road, and a reaction shot for Stinger that shows a straight, one lane ninety degree turn.
*The entirety of the KSI pursuit scene switches between taking place between the left and right sides of the two-lane highway, despite being only supposed to take place on the right side. Furthermore, the shot showing stray missiles colliding with oncoming traffic takes place on a completely different highway, one with five lanes instead of three and a wooden fence on the side of the street as opposed to a guardrail. Moreover; the car crashing stunt for the bridge jump scene starts on the five lane highway, continues on the left side of the three lane highway, and then finishes on the ''right side'' of the three lane highway. Trouble finding shots, eh?I
*Furthermore, because this is in Chicago, a U.S. City, it makes no sense for cars to be driving on the left side of the road, instead of the right.
*All of the vehicles seen in Hong Kong are left-hand drive, rather than the right-hand drive you'd expect in a location that drives on the left.
*Some scenes supposed to take place in Hong Kong depict a very distinctively American city with traffic lights suspended by wires above the street.
*Chicago's Willis Tower can be seen in the background of Hong Kong.
*The bridge out of the city shown in the film (Tsing Ma Bridge) is at least a half-hour drive from the battlefield in Central.
*Furthermore, despite Optimus's comment, there are no bridges connecting Hong Kong Island (where all the action allegedly takes place) to the mainland. The only way to get off Hong Kong Island (other than by boat or swimming) is via one of three tunnels, none of which are used, referenced or mentioned in the film.
*Speaking of bridges, Tsing Ma Bridge (the gray version of the Golden Gate Bridge) shown in the movie is effectively a dead end unless one is going to the airport or Disneyland, because it only leads to/from Lantau Island.
*The bridge where Grimlock "digs in" is an expressway bypass. Geographically defending it is pointless as there are multiple other routes (including at least one that is faster) to bypass the bridge and tunnel yet end up at the same place on the other side.
*In one of the fight scenes there is an overhead railway (the {{w|Detroit People Mover}}). There are no overhead railways on Hong Kong Island (yet) and the {{w|MTR}} (the subway train network) trains look nothing like the train used in the scenes, as they are a completely different shape and color.
*There are no "glass houses" on Hong Kong Island.
*There are no Chinese temple ruins on Hong Kong Island. The temples there are all intact and frequently used or preserved and don't have giant metal umbrellas ''at all''.
*The area where Optimus battles and "tames" Grimlock is in the Wushan Valley in Northern China which is over 1100 km from Hong Kong, yet is depicted as being in Pok Fu Lam on the South Western side of Hong Kong Island (which is a high rise residential area). Even flying it would take well over 2 hours to get from Wushan Valley to Hong Kong.
*It's not possible to drive a car from Beijing into Hong Kong, as the number plates would be invalid, and it would take over a day to drive that distance. Chinese vehicles coming into Hong Kong have to be from the Canton area (number plates are black) and have to be registered with Hong Kong plates, which means they must display both plates at all times one above the other. (In addition, the process to obtain permission for a car to have that is also lengthy and costly.)
*The blue SUV used by Cade and his companions is not a type of vehicle that exists in Hong Kong. In addition, its steering wheel is located on the left side, even though cars in Hong Kong have their steering wheels on the right side.
*Optimus Prime's Western Star alternate mode would be illegal to drive on Hong Kong roads, since it's is oversized. The Freightliner truck used for Galvatron is the maximum size/gauge allowed on Hong Kong roads. All scenes with Optimus driving in truck mode were filmed elsewhere, the Western Star truck was never brought to Hong Kong. Even his previous Peterbilt alternate mode would be illegal in Hong Kong.
*The area depicted as the final battle scene where Optimus and Lockdown face off was digitally added on the map of Hong Kong shown in the movie. It doesn't exist at all in real life, where it's actually a breakwater/typhoon shelter full of boats on Victora Harbour. In addition, the factories in Hong Kong (which are all located on Kowloon, because Hong Kong Island is purely a residential/business/shopping district) look nothing like the buildings used in the scene.

===[[Dinobot Island, Part 1|Paleontology weeps]]===
*The cyberformed remains of a ''Tyrannosaurus'' and a ''Spinosaurus'' appear frozen together in the arctic at the beginning of the film, which is rather odd considering the two are found on different continents (North America and Africa respectively) and separated by around 35 million years of evolution. Note that a few months after the release of the movie, the morphology of ''Spinosaurus'' was completely revised, with a different spine shape and shorter legs.
[[File:ExtinctionOfTheDinosaurus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|And another thing! How is that sauropod running!?!]]
*The opening scene of the movie shows a ''Psittaccosaurus'' (100-120 million years old), a generic hadrosaur that might be either an ''Edmontosaurus'' or a ''Shantungosaurus'' (65-70 million years old), and a brachiosaurid (100-157 million years old) all present during what is implied to be the K-Pg extinction event (64.5-65 million years old).
*The ''Psittaccosaurus'', a well known herbivorous animal, is seen actively hunting and killing live prey. In a nod to paleontological accuracy, however, it is depicted with a row of quill-like feathers along its back, as many ceratopsian dinosaurs are believed to have had.
*The Dinobots' alternate modes are orders of magnitude larger than the real dinosaurs on which they're based. In an interesting twist, using Optimus as a proxy for the average human, all the Dinobots bar Strafe have been accurately scaled up. At 850 tonnes <ref name="Grimlock stats">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/entertainment-weekly-reveals-new-details-on-transformers-4-age-of-extinction-new-grimlock-image-179675] summarised on TFW2005.</ref> Grimlock is as large compared to Optimus as a real ''Tyrannosaurus'' would be next to a human.

==Transformers references==

* As usual, many of the new characters have roots in older portions of the mythos:
** [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] is based on [[Drift (G1)|a Generation 1 character]] introduced in IDW's 2008 ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' series.
** Lockdown is derived from [[Lockdown (Animated)|a character in the 2008 ''Animated'' cartoon]] who had already jumped over to the G1 comics and, in toy form, to the movie universe.
** [[Hound (disambiguation)|Hound]] shares a military-green alternate mode with his [[Hound (G1)|Generation 1 counterpart]], but is otherwise unrelated. His portly physique has put many a fan in mind of similar military-green Autobot [[Bulkhead (disambiguation)|Bulkhead]], but again, the movie character's crusty, violence-hungry, trigger-happy personality owes nothing to that gentle Autobot giant.
** The name [[Crosshairs (disambiguation)|Crosshairs]] has been used by a few characters before, but this version has nothing to do with any of them.
** Galvatron being a new form for Megatron has been a thing for [[Galvatron (disambiguation)|basically forever]]. With Joyce's intentions of creating him as a counterpart to Optimus Prime, he also takes cues from [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]]; in particular the human-controlled ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|character]].
** The Dinobots are the latest iteration of [[Dinobot (G1)|the powerhouse subfaction]] that first appeared in the early days of Generation 1. Their leader Grimlock is a direct analog of [[Grimlock (G1)|his Generation 1 counterpart]]; Strafe and Slug are based on Generation 1 [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] and [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], respectively.
* In the film's opening act, Optimus has adopted a cabover truck alternate mode akin to that of his [[Optimus Prime (G1)|G1 counterpart]]. His robot mode also draws some inspiration from his G1 design, such as the large grill on his chest.
* This is not the first time that Ratchet and Lockdown have faced off. ''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] and [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] had [[The Thrill of the Hunt|a long-running feud]].
* The concept of the Transformers being built by another race first appeared in the third season of [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the original ''Transformers'' cartoon]].
* The ringtone on Gill Wembley's cell phone is a remixed version of the original G1 Transformers [[theme song]].
* As he hunts for Ratchet, Lockdown's head-up display shows characters in [[Cybertronian language|Ancient Autobot]], an alphabet originating in the Generation 1 episode "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]".
* In the scene where Optimus scans a passing truck, the classic [[Transformation#The noise|transformation noise]] plays when the Autobot symbol emerges from his grill.
*The scene where Galvatron goes active and breaks free in KSI's Chinese facility mirrors the scene in the 2007 ''Transformers'' movie when Megatron breaks free inside [[Sector Seven]]'s facility, down to a reuse of the line "I am Megatron", only with the name changed to "Galvatron".

==Real-life references==
[[File:Rainbow Dash Age of Extinction.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"I found the magic!"]]

*Among the objects KSI makes from Transformium in the film is a Rainbow Dash doll from [[My Little Pony|another popular Hasbro brand]].

==Other editions==

==Prequel material==
*''[[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Transformers: Age of Extinction]]'' magazine ([[Titan Books|Titan Comics]])

==Adaptations==
Unusually, no novel or comic adaptations of the film were released. The ''[[Transformers Annual 2015]]'' contained an extremely cut down prose summary of events.

==Music==
==Score==
{{main|Age of Extinction: The Score}}

==Home video releases==
{{main|Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)/home video}}

==Theatrical posters==
<center><gallery>
File:Transformers- Age of ExtinctionTeaserPoster.jpg|Something has survived...
File:Transformers- Age of ExtinctionOptimusPrimePoster.jpg|Will you follow me... for the fourth time?
File:Transformers Age of Extinction poster-IMAX.jpg|The Prime, the Grim, and the Marky.
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Cade poster.jpg|Cade, look out behind you! Ah, too late, Lockdown's ship got him.
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Shane poster.jpg|So the five minute scene about statutory rape was supposed to be funny?
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Tessa poster.jpg|She wants you to forget she was in ''{{w|The Last Airbender (film)|The Last Airbender}}''.
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Su poster.jpg|So the minor character gets a poster and two lengthy filler action scenes to herself?
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Lockdown poster.jpg|''Age of Extinction'', come and spend your money here!
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Rules Have Changed.jpg|It's a scene not in the movie!
File:Transformers Age of Extinction This Is Not War.jpg|This is not human extinction, it's just war.
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Stand Together1.jpg|So we face extinction if we don't stand with you? Huh, that's kinda harsh...
File:Transformers Age of Extinction Stand Together2.jpg|"Now look down. Now look at me. I'm on a dinosaur."
</gallery></center>

==Reception==

{{quote|"The few authentic inspirations to be found in the movie's hundred and sixty-five roiling minutes involve gigantic science-fiction contrivances."|[http://www.newyorker.com/arts/reviews/film/transformers_age_of_extinction_bay The New Yorker's Richard Brody on Transformers 4: Age of Extinction], Richard Brody|[http://newyorker.com newyorker.com] [[2014]]}}

''Transformers: Age of Extinction'' was critically panned, and nearly universally condemned on the American front, receiving a rating of 18% positive critical reviews on RottenTomatoes.com, one percent lower than the final score for ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''. Common criticisms leveled against it included its relatively long run time of 2 hours and 45 minutes, the disproportionately small amount of screen time the Dinobots got in relation to their relatively large exposure in promotional materials for the film, an over-reliance on product placement, and the decision to set the final act in Hong Kong, which was perceived as a choice solely done to pander towards the Chinese audience for the film. However, the film received praise for its visual effects, action sequences, and the performances of some of the human actors, mainly Mark Wahlberg, Stanley Tucci, and Kelsey Grammer.<ref>http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_age_of_extinction/</ref> Despite any criticisms, the film was the worldwide top-grossing film for 2014, earning over a billion dollars.<ref>[http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2014 Box Office Mojo's 2014 Worldwide Grosses]</ref>

It {{w|35th Golden Raspberry Awards|won one Golden Raspberry Award}} for Worst Director ([[Michael Bay]]), was one of four movies contributing to [[Kelsey Grammer]]'s Worst Supporting Actor win (along with ''{{w|The Expendables 3}}'', ''{{w|Legends of Oz: Dorothy's Return}}'' and ''{{w|Think Like a Man Too}}''), and was unsuccessfully nominated for Worst Picture; Worst Supporting Actress ([[Nicola Peltz]] as [[Tessa Yeager]]); Worst Screen Combo ("Any two robots, actors (or robotic actors)"); Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel; and Worst Screenplay ("screenplay by [[Ehren Kruger]], based on Hasbro's Transformers action figures").

For Chinese audiences, however, it was a phenomenon and some farmers started making replica Transformers as a new job. <ref>[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chinese-villagers-give-up-farming-719236 The Hollywood Reporter: "Chinese Villagers Give Up Farming to Build Giant Transformers From Old Car Parts", July 16 2014]</ref>

==Production staff==
''Age of Extinction'' was written by [[Ehren Kruger]], who also wrote ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' and helped write ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''.
===Visual effects===
Like the previous films in the series, [[Industrial Light & Magic]] (with assistance from [[Atomic Fiction]] and [[Base FX]]) was employed to do the visual effects. [[Method Studios]] and [[Tippett Studios]] also contributed to the film's VFX production.

===Locations department===

==Development details==
===Cast and crew signing on===
On June 26, 2011, thirteen days before the official theatrical release of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'', actor [[Tyrese Gibson]] gave an interview to Movieweb, in which he claimed that [[Michael Bay]] would not return for a fourth ''Transformers'' installment; instead, executive producer [[Steven Spielberg]] himself was allegedly interested in directing a sequel.<ref name="tyresemovieweb">[http://movieweb.com/exclusive-steven-spielberg-may-direct-transformers-4/ Movieweb interview with Tyrese Gibson], with several names missing from the text; the full excerpt in question is quoted [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/rumor-transformers-4-directed-by-steven-spielberg-172501/ here] on TFW2005.</ref> Ten days later, on June 26, 2011, still three days before the official theatrical release of ''Dark of the Moon'', Michael Bay posted praise for actor [[Shia LaBeouf]] on his official forums, while at the same time expressing regret for leaving the ''Transformers'' franchise.<ref name="bayshialeaving">[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?9502-Love-Shia-as-an-Actor Michael Bay's praise for Shia LaBeouf] at the official Michael Bay forums.</ref> Another two days later, on June 28, 2011, LaBeouf confirmed that ''Dark of the Moon'' would definitely be his last ''Transformers'' film, as he didn't think there was "anywhere to take" his character of [[Sam Witwicky]].<ref name="endshia">[http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/06/28/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-shia-labeouf/ "'Transformers: Dark Of The Moon' Is The End For Shia LaBeouf"], MTV Movies Blog.</ref>

Eight months later, on February 13, 2012, producer [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] gave an interview during [[Toy Fair 2012]], in which he confirmed that a fourth film was scheduled for a release in the Summer of 2014, Michael Bay would direct it after all, and that the movie would be a "reboot". He promptly clarified that it was actually a "hybrid", an "evolution" of the franchise that would be in continuity with the previous films, citing 2012's ''{{w|The Amazing Spider-Man (2012 film)|The Amazing Spider-Man}}'' reboot of the ''[[Spider-Man]]'' film franchise as an example of what people should ''not'' expect from a fourth ''Transformers'' film. Di Bonaventura also confirmed that no casting discussions had taken place yet at that point, since there was no set story yet. However, there would be "a lot of new cast", and it was still uncertain at that point whether any of the previous cast members would return. The only characters that would "certainly" return would be [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]].<ref name="lorenzointerview">["http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/733426/a-new-transformers-to-hit-theaters-in-summer-2014.jhtml "a new 'transformers' to hit theaters in summer 2014"], interview with Lorenzo Di Bonaventura at MTV.com.</ref> A day later, on February 14, 2012, Bay himself and [[Paramount Pictures]] officially announced that Bay had indeed signed a deal to make a fourth ''Transformers'' film. The film's release date was stated alternatively as either June 27 or June 29, 2014.<ref name="bayfourthfilm1">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-4-release-date-revealed-174395/ "Transformers 4 Release Date Revealed"] at TFW2005.</ref><ref name="bayfourthfilm">[http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-17028248 "Transformers director Michael Bay signs for fourth film"], BBC.co.uk.</ref> That same day, Bay also confirmed that he and Spielberg were working on a "whole new re imagining{{sic}} of ''Transformers''".<ref name="reimagining">[http://www.shootfortheedit.com/forum/showthread.php?10284-Transformers-4 Michael Bay confirming that ''Transformers 4'' would be a "reimaginging"] at the official Michael Bay forums.</ref> Two days later, on February 16, 2012, actor [[Josh Duhamel]] expressed his doubts that he, Shia LaBeouf, [[Rosie Huntington-Whiteley]] or Tyrese Gibson would return for the fourth installment.<ref name="noshiarosie">[http://eonline.com/news/294791/josh-duhamel-not-coming-back-for-transformers-4-is-anyone "Josh Duhamel Not Coming Back for Transformers 4: Is Anyone?!"] at E! Online.</ref>

Four months later, on June 6, 2012, Michael Bay confirmed in an interview centered around ''[[Transformers: The Ride – 3D|Transformers: The Ride]]'' that the fourth film would feature "some redesigns of the robots and an entirely new cast", and that it would be the last ''Transformers'' film he would direct.<ref name="ride">[http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/transformers-the-ride-3d-even-impresses-disney-rivals/ "‘Transformers’ taking new shape with Universal ride and fourth film"], LA Times Hero Complex.</ref> A few weeks later, on June 21, 2012, Bay confirmed that the fourth film would feature "different human actors", but the film would not be strictly a "reboot", but rather take the story "in a new direction". While hinting that the story might venture into space for "a little bit", he still wanted to keep it "grounded".<ref name="starsspace">[http://herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/transformers-4-michael-bay-purges-stars-may-go-into-space/ "‘Transformers 4’: Michael Bay purges stars, may go into space"], LA Times Hero Complex.</ref>

[[File:TF4 Chinese Reality Show contestants.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|If ''Age of Extinction'' teaches us anything, it's that more movies should be cast using reality shows.]]On September 21, 2012, Michael Bay confirmed the first "cast" member for the film in the broadest sense, namely the fact that voice actor [[Peter Cullen]] would be kept on as [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]. He also confirmed that the film would ''not'' be a reboot, but would pick up the story from where ''Dark of the Moon'' had left off in [[Chicago]].<ref name="cullen">[http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/21/michael-bay-transformers-4-pain-and-gain_n_1903523.html "Michael Bay, 'Transformers 4' Director, On The Struggles Of 'Pain & Gain'"], Huffington Post interview.</ref> One and a half months later, on November 8, 2012, Bay confirmed [[Mark Wahlberg]] as the first human cast member,<ref name="wahlberg">[http://michaelbay.com/2012/11/08/michael-bay-re-teams-with-his-pain-gain-star-mark-wahlberg-for-transformers-4/ "Michael Bay Re-Teams With His 'Pain & Gain' Star Mark Wahlberg for Transformers 4"], on Michael Bay's official site.</ref> after having referred to such claims as "just a rumor" a mere month earlier.<ref name="baynowahlberg">[http://michaelbay.com/2012/10/23/transformers-4-casting-rumor/ "Transformers 4 Casting Rumor"], on Michael Bay's official site.</ref> On December 15, 2012, Wahlberg himself confirmed that filming would commence in May 2013.<ref name="wahlbergmay">[http://collider.com/ted-2-sequel-mark-wahlberg-transformers-4/218011/ "Mark Wahlberg Talks TED 2, TRANSFORMERS 4, and PAIN AND GAIN; Says TF Starts Shooting in May Followed By TED Sequel"], interview with Collider.com.</ref> Another month later, on January 8, 2013, Irish American actor [[Jack Reynor]] was confirmed as the second human cast member.<ref name="reynor">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/jack-reynor-lands-starring-role-409850 "Jack Reynor Lands Starring Role in 'Transformers 4'"] at Hollywood Reporter.</ref> [[Nicola Peltz]] was confirmed on March 26, 2013,<ref name="welcomepeltz">[http://michaelbay.com/2013/03/26/welcome-nicola-peltz-to-transformers-4/ "Welcome Nicola Peltz to Transformers 4"], on Michael Bay's official site.</ref> followed by [[Stanley Tucci]] (confirmed to be an antagonist) on April 16, 2013.,<ref name="tucci">[http://www.comingsoon.net/news/cinemaconnews.php?id=103034 "CinemaCon: Stanley Tucci Joins Transformers 4"]</ref> [[Kelsey Grammer]] as a lead (human) villain named "Harold Attinger" on May 1, 2013,<ref name="grammerattinger">[http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/kelsey-grammer-lands-lead-human-villain-in-transformers-sequel/ "Kelsey Grammer Lands Lead (Human) Villain In ‘Transformers’ Sequel"] at Deadline.com.</ref> [[Sophia Myles]] as a scientist on May 6, 2013,<ref name="mylesscientist">[http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/sophia-myles-join-mark-wahlberg-michael-bays-transformers-4-exclusive-89661 "Sophia Myles to Join Mark Wahlberg in Michael Bay's 'Transformers 4' (Exclusive)"] at TheWrap.com.</ref> Chinese actress [[Li Bingbing]] in an at that point still unspecified role on May 20, 2013,<ref name="bingbing">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/chinas-li-bingbing-boards-transformers-525370 "China's Li Bingbing Boards 'Transformers 4'"] at Hollywood Reporter</ref> and actor-comedian [[T. J. Miller]] as a mechanic and best friend to Wahlberg's character on May 28, 2013.<ref name="miller">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/tj-miller-joins-transformers-4-559359 "T.J. Miller Joins 'Transformers 4'"] at Hollywood Reporter.</ref> [[Titus Welliver]] wasn't officially confirmed until July 25, 2013, after he had been spotted on set in Texas.<ref name="welliver">[http://www.deadline.com/2013/07/transformers-4-adds-titus-welliver/ "‘Transformers 4′ Adds Titus Welliver"], Deadline.com.</ref> In the lead-up to the release of the movie, Welliver would stir up a minor controversy with an interview in which he stated that the film would be darker and "not a kid's movie". Following a storm of online discussion regarding this statement, he issued a new statement to the effect that ''Age of Extinction'' is in fact a kid's movie, and he meant to say it would expand the audience.<ref name="nerdist">[https://www.nerdist.com/2014/02/titus-welliver-talks-about-transformers-4-and-clark-greggs-s-h-i-e-l-d-comments/ Titus Welliver Talks About TRANSFORMERS 4 and Clark Gregg’s S.H.I.E.L.D. Comments], Nerdist.com.</ref>

A rather unusual addition to the cast were [[Byron Li]], [[Candice Zhao]], [[Austin Lin]] and [[Teresa Daley]], which won their part through participating in the ''[[Transformers 4 Chinese Actors Talent Search Reality Show]]'' on August 25, 2013.<ref name="reality">[http://beijing.china.org.cn/2013-08/28/content_29845758.htm "'Transformers 4' recruits 4 Chinese actors"], China.org.cn.</ref>

The remaining robot voice cast (barring Optimus Prime) wasn't officially revealed until May 8, 2014.<ref name="voicecast">[http://michaelbay.com/2014/05/08/john-goodman-and-ken-watanabe-join-the-autobot-voice-cast-in-michael-bays-transformers-age-of-extinction/ "John Goodman And Ken Watanabe Join The Autobot Voice Cast in Michael Bay’s ‘Transformers: Age Of Extinction’"] at the official Michael Bay website.</ref>

===Writing and production===
On March 20, 2013, the Michigan Film Office announced that the fourth film would return to [[Detroit]].<ref name="michigan">[http://www.michiganfilmoffice.org/The-Film-Office/Press-Releases/Detail.aspx?id=11620 "Transformers Returning to Michigan, Approved for Film Incentive" at the Michigan Film Office website.]</ref> Principal photography began on May 28, 2013, at {{w|Monument Valley}}.<ref name="monument">[http://michaelbay.com/2013/05/28/transformers-4-starts-filming-in-monument-valley-navajo-tribal-park/ "Transformers 4 Starts Filming in Monument Valley Navajo Tribal Park"], on Michael Bay's official site.</ref> Other shooting locations were the small towns of Lockhart, Taylor, Elgin and Pflugerville in Texas.<ref name="texas">[http://www.dallasnews.com/entertainment/movies/headlines/20130426-fourth-transformers-film-to-shoot-in-texas.ece "Fourth ‘Transformers’ film to shoot in Texas"] at Dallas Morning News.</ref> Shooting in Michigan involved two historic passenger steamboats, the ''[{{w|SS Columbia}}'' and her sister ship, the ''{{w|Ste. Claire (passenger steamboat)|SS Ste. Claire}}'', which were docked in {{w|River Rouge, Michigan|River Rouge}} awaiting restoration at the time being used as props.<ref name="boblo">[http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/windsor/story/2013/07/26/wdr-boblo-boats-transformers-four.html "Historic Boblo boats land role in Transformers 4"], CBC News.</ref> While shooting in Detroit, Mark Wahlberg's children visited the set and were given small parts in the movie upon their father's request.<ref name="wahlkids">[http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/07/30/mark-wahlbergs-kids-cast-in-transformers-4/ "Mark Wahlberg's Kids Cast In Transformers 4"], Comicbook.com.</ref>

[[File:AOE Michael Bay Nicola Peltz on set.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Michael Bay uses his legendary charm to get the very best performance out of his actors.]]
Due to an increased focus of Hollywood studios trying to market its movies to the Chinese audience, parts of the movie were not only set in China, but actually filmed there. One of the shooting sites was Hong Kong. While there, the movie crew encountered the risks of shooting a movie in China firsthand when director Michael Bay was assaulted on the set by two locals demanding money; according to some sources, they were store owners that were not satisfied with the compensation they received for the inconvenience of having a movie filming nearby. Bay received minor injuries, but played the incident off on his blog. Both he and an official Paramount statement suggested that the assailants were under the influence of drugs.<ref name="attack1">[http://deadline.com/2013/10/hong-kong-police-called-to-transformers-4-set-amid-alleged-extortion-attempt-report-613912/ "Extortion Attempt On ‘Transformers 4′ Set; Michael Bay Suffers Minor Injury: Report"], Deadline.com.</ref><ref name="attack2">[http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-bay-attacked-transformers-4-649183 "Michael Bay Attacked on 'Transformers 4' Set in Hong Kong"], Hollywood Reporter.</ref><ref name="attack3">[http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-24566287 "Transformers director Michael Bay attacked in Hong Kong"], BBC.</ref name="attack4">[http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/michael-bay-attacked-on-transformers-hong-kong-film-shoot-1.2100953 "Michael Bay attacked on Transformers Hong Kong film shoot"], CBC News.</ref><ref name="attack5">[http://michaelbay.com/2013/10/17/hong-kong-incident/ "Hong Kong Incident"] on Michael Bay's official Blog.</ref> A second extortion attempt occured several days later, this time allegedly by several triad gang members. Although one of them was later arrested, no-one was injured this time around.<ref name="extortion2">[http://www.businessinsider.com/michael-bay-transformers-4hong-kong-second-extortion-incident-2013-10?IR=T "More Trouble For 'Transformers 4' In Hong Kong As Second Extortion Attempt Reported"], Business Insider.</ref><ref name="extortion3">[http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/25/world/asia/hong-kong-transformers-triad-extortion/ "Transformers versus the triads of Hong Kong: the sequel"], CNN.</ref> Once again, Bay played down the extortion attempts in an interview, noting that most of the locals were apologetic over what took place, and that he wanted to film more projects in Hong Kong.<ref name="eager">[http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1342084/hollywood-director-michael-bay-eager-shoot-hong-kong-again "Hollywood director Michael Bay eager to shoot in Hong Kong again"], ''South China Morning Post'']</ref>

[[File:AOEOptimusRidingGrimlock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.9|left|"Get me closer! I want to hit them with my sword!"]]Late script changes resulted in Bay and his crew returning to the Chinese city of {{w|Chongqing}} for a week reshooting a scene in January 2014.<ref name="reshoot">[http://www.ecns.cn/2014/01-23/98337.shtml "'Transformers 4' back to China for additional shots"], China News Service (Ecns.cn).</ref>

Some of [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]]'s post-production effects were done at a newly opened Lucasfilm facility in Singapore.<ref name="ilmsg">[http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/lifestyle/story/lucasfilm-singapore-work-new-avengers-and-transformers-movies-20140116 "Lucasfilm Singapore to work on new Avengers and Transformers movies"], The Straits Times.</ref>

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=== Sponsors and partners ===
==== General Motors and other car manufacturers ====
[[File:AOE Optimus Prime truck.jpg|thumb|upright=1.34|When having one's midlife crisis, it's not unusual to get a souped-up alternate mode.]]
''Age of Extinction'' continues the collaboration with General Motors. Earlier in the film, Bumblebee chooses a customized 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS as his disguise when hiding from [[Cemetery Wind]], whereas later on, he upgrades to the newest model, a 2014 Camaro concept car. (The production crew was actually accused of ripping off a one-of-a-kind custom for the 1967 version.<ref name="1967custom">[http://jalopnik.com/did-transformers-4-rip-off-this-guys-design-for-the-ne-510655228 "Did Transformers 4 Rip Off This Guy's Design For The New Bumblebee?"] at Jalopnik.com.</ref>) Furthermore, new addition [[Crosshairs (AOE)|Crosshairs]]'s alternate mode is a 2014 Chevrolet C7 Corvette Stingray, and recurring character Ratchet briefly appears at the beginning of the movie and transforms into his Hummer H2 ambulance mode (in the color scheme from ''Dark of the Moon'') before being killed at the hands of Cemetery Wind and [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]].

''Age of Extinction'' is the first movie to feature an official partnership with a manufacturer for [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s alternate mode. Earlier in the movie, he transforms into an old, rusty Marmon 97 truck cab (presumably without support from the manufacturer), but later upgrades into a brand new Western Star "5700 OP" concept truck that was designed specifically for the movie by "Twins Custom Coaches" and the team at West Coast Customs, with Western Star being a subsidiary of Daimler Trucks, who also provided a 2012 Freightliner Argosy that serves as [[Megatron (Movie)|Galvatron]]'s alternate mode.

Other manufacturers that provided vehicles to be used for characters' alternate modes were the Oshkosh Corporation with an Oshkosh Defense FMTV truck for [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]], the Volkswagen group with a 2013 Bugatti Veyron Grand Sport Vitesse for [[Drift (AOE)|Drift]] and a Lamborghini Aventador for Lockdown, and independent Italian manufacturer Pagani Automobili with a Pagani Huayra for [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]].

=== Changes before, during and after production ===
* [[Slash (AOE)|Slash]] was originally intended to appear in the film (he even made it into some concept artwork).<ref name="burt">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-age-of-extinction-concept-art-from-wesley-burt/30723/ Age of Extiction concept art by Wesley Burt], mirrored at Seibertron.com.</ref>
* [[Glenn Morshower]] was originally set to return in this film, reprising his role of [[Morshower|General Morshower]], but didn't return due to a scheduling conflict.<ref>http://transformerslive.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/general-morshower-not-returning-to.html</ref>
* Both [[Josh Duhamel]] and [[Tyrese Gibson]] were intended to cameo reprising their roles as [[William Lennox]] and [[Robert Epps]] but were cut before filming started.<ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/tyrese-gibson-in-talks-for-transformers-4-176078/</ref><ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/tyrese-gibson-to-make-cameo-appearance-only-in-transformers-4-177407/</ref><ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/josh-duhamel-to-make-cameo-appearance-in-transformers-4-177026/</ref><ref>http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2013/06/josh-duhamel-not-in-transformers-4.html</ref>
* Ed Welburn, [[General Motors]]' vice president for global design, was originally set to cameo as the C.I.A. head before being recast as a KSI employee.<ref>http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/29/automobiles/ed-welburn-gets-a-part-in-transformers.html?_r=0</ref>
* A scene depicting Hound and Bumblebee dancing with Tessa (while Drift bobs his head in the background) was not present in the final cut of the film.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnxZ7Gg2yV4</ref>
* Scorn's toys lack the additional two sails he has in the film, suggesting it was a late design change.
*The Pagani Huayra that eventually ended up as [[Stinger (AOE)|Stinger]] was at one point intended as the alternate mode of a female robot with the working name "Widow Maker".<ref name="vitaly">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-9/age-of-extinction-concept-art-by-vitaly-bulgarov-180636/ Age of Extinction concept art by Vitaly Bulgarov] at TFW2005, including "Widow Maker".</ref><ref name="jung">[http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/07/20/transformers-age-of-extinction-concept-art-shows-off-epic-scope-/ Age of Extinction concept art by Steve Jung] at Comicbook.com, including "Widow Maker".</ref>
* Wahlberg's character was named "Flynn 'Ray' Vincent" rather than "Cade Yeager" in a casting call. The same casting call also revealed that actor [[Glenn Morshower]] was supposed to reprise his role as [[Morshower|General Morshower]] from the previous two films.<ref name="txcasting">[http://www.featurefilmauditions.com/2013/05/casting-for-transformers-4-actors-and.html "Transformers 4' open casting calls for actors and extras in Austin, TX and Detroit, MI"] at Film Auditions.</ref>
* A scene where Cade says "Stick behind me" is not present in the final cut of the film.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXSkXQs890g</ref>
* Another piece of dialogue cut from the film is when Cade says "You tell me" to Attinger when he asks for Optimus Prime.
* In some concept artwork, Grimlock appears as a horn-less T-Rex.
* The original running time of the film was 2 hours and 7 minutes, which would have made it the shortest film in the franchise. The final running time was 2 hours and 30 minutes <ref>http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=77992</ref><ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-4-age-of-extinction-running-time-revealed-180165/</ref>
* [[Dwayne Johnson]] was originally offered the role of Cade Yeager, but due to his commitment to ''Hercules: The Thracian Wars'', the role was later taken over by his ''Pain & Gain'' co-star Mark Wahlberg.<ref>[https://twitter.com/TheRock/statuses/327892048978006016 Dwayne Johnson on Twitter]</ref>
*In some concept artwork, Drift was colored orange instead of blue. but according to the Generation 2 featurette in the Blu-ray release, this was changed because the vehicle that was going to play Drift was sold off.
*Some concept artwork shows that Optimus was intended to have his original trilogy body in the scenes where he had his new look.
*According to Ehren Kruger in the Generation 2 featurette, in the early drafts of the film, it was not originally centered on the Cade Yeager character.
*Numerous silver [[redeco]] toys were produced for Optimus Prime with the moniker of "Silver Knight", suggesting that he was originally supposed to take on this alternate appearance in the film itself, almost certainly upon drawing a sword from the Knights' armory. In the finished film, he does undergo some slight physical alteration at this point, his arms reconfiguring to resemble armor plates, but that's as far as it goes. This was also ''prrrrobably'' where he was supposed to get the rocket-boots he suddenly deploys at the film's end.
*A scene depicting Harold Attinger throwing a man out of a moving vehicle was reportedly cut from the film.<ref>http://news.tfw2005.com/2014/08/16/kelsey-grammer-explains-a-deleted-scene-from-transformers-age-of-extinction-180984</ref>

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===Disinformation campaign===

Like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' and ''Dark of The Moon'' before it, ''Age of Extinction'' had a campaign that would mask details of the final film. However, unlike the previous films, this one was all encompassing; no novelization or comics by [[IDW Publishing]] was released, allowing for a great deal of the movie's spoilers to actually remain unknown longer than for the previous three films.

In the original Michigan Film Office press release published on March 20, 2013, several vague plot details were revealed, including the fact that Autobots and Decepticons had "[[Cemetery Wind|all but vanished from the face of the planet]]", a "[[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated|group of [...] businessman and scientists]]" were developing new technologies based on past encounters with the Transformers, and an "[[Lockdown (ROTF)|ancient, powerful Transformer menace]]" was targeting Earth.<ref name="plotunveiled">[http://www.thewrap.com/node/82001/ "‘Transformers 4’ Plot Unveiled by Michigan Film Office"] at TheWrap.com.</ref> These plot details were later claimed to be inaccurate by Paramount Pictures,<ref name="notaccurate">[http://screenrant.com/transformers-4-movie-plot-synopsis-cast/ Unofficial "'Transformers 4' Plot Synopsis Is Not Accurate"] at Screenrant.com</ref> but in all their vagueness ultimately turned out to be not too far off from the film's plot.

A lot of the newly-added characters were given "code names" during production, most of them related to the ''Rocky'' saga: "Duke" for Hound, "Adrian" for Galvatron, "Ivan" for Grimlock, "Rocky" for Slash (who was originally intended to appear in the movie, as noted above), "Southpaw" for Scorn, "Paulie" for Strafe, and "Thunderlips" for Slug. In addition, Crosshairs was code-named "Slingshot", Drift was code-named "Bruce", Lockdown was code-named "Max", and Steeljaw was code-named "Wolf" (which ''might'' have simply been a working name).<ref name="customer">[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/961952-monzos-mega-hasbro-customer-service-listing-breakdown.html Hasbro customer service list]</ref>

==Notes==
*Not only do the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]] go unnamed in the film (other than [[Scorn]] getting the nickname, "Spike"), the word Dinobot is never even said by anyone. The audio description soundtrack on the home video releases refers to them as warriors or barbarians, but notes during the final scene that they "turn into Dinobots" (of course it also refers to Galvatron transforming "into an Autobot" when he turns into a robot, so make of that what you will).
*In addition to the Shadow Raiders, Steeljaws, the ball-shaped drones, and Stupid Drones, inside Lockdown's ship there were also several hovering drones. These drones appear to be of the same type as those the United States used in ''Dark of the Moon'' (the one that got sucked into the engine of Bumblebee's commandeered Decepticon fighter). Maybe Attinger sold them to Lockdown?
*Michael Bay's website incorrectly refers to the film as "Transformers 4 The Age Of Extinction"
* The Autobots and Decepticons shown in the cards Attinger pulled early in the film includes: Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]], [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Que]], [[Mirage (Movie)|Dino]], [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]], [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]], [[Loader]], [[Garagebot]], and the [[Driller]].
** Even though most of these Transformers are listed as deceased, Dino and Garagebot are not. Therefore, they could have been alive during the events of the film.
* This film seems to put a final nail in the coffin regarding the films' abandonment of the concept of using [[protoform]]s to travel through space; when the Autobots steal a ship from [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]], they immediately move to leave Earth, indicating they had been stranded on Earth for the past five years without a spaceship (following the destruction of the ''[[Xantium (DOTM)|Xantium]]''). The fact that no mention is made of searching for any possible survivors of Cemetery Wind's hunt also suggests that all Autobots who did not return for this film have been killed off as well.
**Fortunately, [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]] and [[Topspin (DOTM)|Topspin]] reapppear in [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|the next film]]. By taking that, Dino among the "not deceased" Transformers cards into consideration, and the fact that [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] is stated to have been killed by Cemetery Wind in some tie-in material, the only Autobot from ''Dark of the Moon'' whose fate after that film is uncertain is... [[Roadbuster (DOTM)|Roadbuster]].
*The robot designs in this film are markedly different than the previous three; the robots have less alien appearances and are more heavily influenced by human forms with far less visible vehicle parts.
*Speaking of the appearance of the Autobots - they all are based on specific types of human combatants throughout history: Optimus is obviously a medieval knight, Hound heavily resembles a World War II-era commando, Crosshairs looks like a mercenary or assassin, Bumblebee's new form is highly Ninja-like, and Drift is unsurprisingly a samurai.
*Director Michael Bay makes a cameo appearance in the film as a guy sitting in the passenger seat of a truck whose trailer Optimus Prime and Bumblebee crash through after being attacked by Galvatron and Stinger.<ref name="magiceffects">[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btn2tPxjisA "Behind the Magic: The Visual Effects of 'Transformers Age of Extinction'"] on the official ILMVisualFX Youtube channel.</ref> Heck with it, much of the KSI cars are part of his personal collection!

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers: Lost Age''''' (トランスフォーマーロストエイジ ''Toransufōmā Rosuto Eiji'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''''Binying Gamgong: Chimmit Saigei''''' (變形金剛：殲滅世紀 "Transformers: The Century of Annihilation")
*''German:'' '''''Transformers: Ära des Untergangs''''' ("Transformers: Era of Doom")
*''Mandarin:'' '''''Pièn-hsíng Chīn-kāng Ssù: Chuéh-chī Ch'óng-shēng''''' (Taiwan, 變型金剛4：絕跡重生), '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng Sì: Juéjī Chóngshēng''''' (China, 变形金刚4：绝迹重生, "Transformers 4: Rebirth from the Extinction")
*''Polish:'' '''''Transformers: Wiek zagłady''''' ("Transformers: Age of Extinction")
*''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: A Era da Extinção''''' ("Transformers: The Age of Extinction")
*''Russian:'' '''''Transformery: Epokha istrebleniya''''' (Трансформеры: Эпоха истребления "Transformers: Age of Extermination")
*''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers 4''''' (Argentina)
*''Turkish:'' '''''Transformers: Kayıp Çağ''''' ("Transformers: Lost Age")
*''Czech:'' '''''Transformers: Zánik''''' (Transformers: Extinction)

==External links==
* [http://www.transformersmovie.com/ Transformersmovie.com]
* [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2109248/?ref_=nv_sr_1 ''Age of Extinction'' at IMDB.com]
* {{w|Transformers: Ag of Extinction|''Age of Extinction'' film on Wikipedia}}
* [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/transformers_age_of_extinction/ ''Age of Extinction'' on RottenTomatoes.com]

==References==
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User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-03T00:18:45Z

Skywarp Prime:

User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-03T00:04:33Z

Skywarp Prime:

User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-03T00:04:01Z

Skywarp Prime:

[[File:Skywarp1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The insperation for my name.]]

I really like [[Skywarp]]. And the other [[Seekers]]. Also the Dreads are really cool. And, no, I don't push people down stairs and then rip off their faces.

User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-03T00:03:34Z

Skywarp Prime:

[[File:Skywarp1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The insperation for my name.]]

I really like [[Skywarp]]. And the other seekers. Also the Dreads are really cool. And, no, I don't push people down stairs and then rip off their faces.

User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-02T22:01:36Z

Skywarp Prime:

[[File:Skywarp1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The insperation for my name.]]

I really like Skywarp. And the other seekers. Also the Dreads are really cool. And, no, I don't push people down stairs and then rip off their faces.

User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-02T22:01:24Z

Skywarp Prime:

User:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-02T22:01:09Z

Skywarp Prime:

[[File:Skywarp1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The insperation for my name.]]
I really like Skywarp. And the other seekers. Also the Dreads are really cool. And, no, I don't push people down stairs and then rip off their faces.

User talk:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-02T21:43:37Z

Skywarp Prime:

{{welcome}}

However...

{{notachatroom}}

(And most of the topics you were responding to were years-old conversations that had already run their course.) If you want to discuss Transformers in a more general sense, there are plenty of places to do so, but that's not really our purpose. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:44, 22 May 2019 (EDT)

{{notachatroom}}}
Dial it back, please. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:53, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
:My apologies. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 18:55, 9 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
::Please stop doing what people keep asking you to stop doing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:15, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
I don't do it on purpose, sometimes I just talk a little too much. I'm working on that. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 22:13, 11 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
: The talk pages are meant for discussing changes and improvements to articles, but if you want to talk about Transformers in a more general sense, such as speculating about future toys or chatting about new shows and comics, there's plenty of other places where that's more than encouraged. We've linked to a few of them in the templates above, so consider giving those a try. (And if you don't get a joke in a caption, try googling it first before asking where it's from. It's faster, and 9 times out of 10 you should find the answer you're looking for.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:08, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
How can I delete my account? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 12:01, 12 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:Accounts cannot be deleted. You can cease using this account. You can even change the password randomly so that you cannot log back in, but the account and its contributions will remain. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:47, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
:To clarify, I am NOT saying you should go away, I am just answering your question. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:50, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

==Studio Series==
Yes. We know. You don't need to spam every semi-relevant talkpage. The information will get there. Please settle down. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:17, 3 August 2019 (EDT)

== Image? ==

Can I add an image to my page? Say, G1 Skywarp?
:I can't find a guideline specifically about this. We allow users to upload one image just for use on their user page, but don't seem to cover usage of our full selection of images on user pages. If you limit it to just the one image, it should be fine. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 15:26, 2 September 2019 (EDT)
Thank you. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 17:43, 2 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

User talk:Skywarp Prime

2019-09-02T16:58:19Z

Skywarp Prime: /* Image? */ new section

Hairsplitter

2019-09-02T01:31:43Z

Skywarp Prime:

{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Hairsplitter is a [[Decepticon]]-allied [[Nebulan]] [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] from the [[The Transformers (toyline)|toyline portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Hairsplitter dt.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica.]]

Nobody likes '''Hairsplitter''' (aka '''Shrute'''). He's a pencil-pushing bureaucrat who gets his kicks by writing memos that point out the inefficiencies of others. Even though he's moved from the [[Nebulos]] Department of the Environment to the Decepticons, and changed job titles—from ecological efficiency expert to [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]—he's the same nit-picking dink he always was. He remains precise in everything he does, from snitching on layabouts to searing his name on a microchip in laser rifle mode. Presumably, his partners [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] and [[Singe]] hate him as much as his co-workers did.

Hairsplitter's nature varies. In some universes he is an organic [[Nebulan]]; in others he is a robotic Cybertronian.

==Commercial appearances==
[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] wielded both Hairsplitter and [[Singe]] in a battle against the three Autobot Double [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]], firing them both wildly in their gun modes while chasing down his targets. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Double Targetmasters|Double Targetmasters commercial}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1Spinister toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"What kind of bear is best?" "That's a ridiculous question." "False. Black bear"]]
* '''Spinister''' (Targetmaster, 1988)

: ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Hairsplitter, like all the "double" Targetmaster Nebulans, is one of the smallest and least complicated Transformers; fold the barrel away, and stand him up. He was released with the Decepticon Spinister in 1988. No version of this character or mold was released in Japan.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Decepticon/Hairsplitter/hairsplitter.htm More information on Hairsplitter at TFU.info]''
{{-}}

===''Generations''===
====''Combiner Wars''====
[[File:CombinerWarstoy-SpinisterTFSS.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Identity theft is not a joke, Singe! Millions of families suffer every orbital cycle!"]]
*'''Spinister''' (TFSS 4.0, 2016)

:Renamed "'''Shrute'''" (likely due to [[trademark]] reasons), this ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' version of Hairsplitter is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: Generations#Thrilling 30|Thrilling 30]]'' [[Holepunch (G1)#Generations|Holepunch]] mold. He converts into a gun, and can combine with his buddy [[Singe#Generations|Singe]] to form a super-gun.

: He and Singe were packed in with [[Spinister (G1)#Combiner Wars|Spinister]], the third figure sent in the [[Transformers Figure Subscription Service#Series 4.0 (2016)|Figure Subscription Service 4.0]].
{{-}}

====''War for Cybertron: Siege''====
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-S-Decepticon-Phantomstrike-Squadron-Shrute.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb |"I'm the Assistant Squadron leader." "Assistant ''to'' the Squadron Leader." "Same thing." "No, it's lower, so..." "It's close."]]
*'''Decepticon Phantomstrike Squadron''' (Multi-pack, [[2019]])
**''ID number'': '''WFC-S27'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 "HPI [[Null-ray|Null-Ray]] Laser Launchers, Fracas Battle Master, Shrute Battle Master, Terror-Daxtyl Battle Master, 5 fire blasts

:Packaged with Skywarp, Fracas, and Terror-Daxtyl, "Shrute" is a redeco of [[Aimless (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Aimless]], who is in turn a retool of [[Blowpipe (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Blowpipe]]. He transforms from robot to the "Manifold Ion Particle Blaster" and back. He includes two "Fire Blast" effect pieces that can be used to simulate his blaster mode firing, and can slot onto the various hardpoints found on other figures and weaponry from the same subline to simulate blaster fire or explosions. The actual gun barrel piece can detach from the back, revealing a 3 mm peg, and connect to his arm like a cannon.

:This set was made available at general retail in Taiwan without prior announcement from Hasbro, and was an [[Amazon]] exclusive for North America, which also label the set as "Final Strike Figure Series: Part 2." If you choose, you can pair him with any version of Spinister, including his most recent ''Siege'' figure.
{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
* Singe and Hairsplitter's images were swapped in ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''.
* Hairsplitter is the only Double Targetmaster to have a 'generic' recolor—a [[Mini-Con]] based on his [[character model]] appeared in ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]''.{{fact}}
* A pencil-pushing petty bureaucrat office drone named "Shrute"? {{w|Dwight Schrute|Sounds vaguely familiar...}}

[[Category:Battle Masters]]
[[Category:Combiner Wars Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Decepticons]]
[[Category:Nebulans]]
[[Category:Targetmasters]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron: Siege Decepticons]]

Talk:Hairsplitter

2019-09-02T01:01:18Z

Skywarp Prime: Another quote

Can I put the "What kind of bear is best?" quote in the empty caption?

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

2019-09-02T00:49:37Z

Skywarp Prime:

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

The captions under the pictures in this article are inapropriate and rude {{unsigned|Pirakafreak24}}
:I'm sorry you lack a sense of humor. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

==Unreleased Toy?==
My friend recently sold me a "prototype Mcdonalds" O.P. for 4 bucks along with some other figures. Teletraan 1 does not have an entry on this odd toy, and I am gretly curious as to what the heck this toy is: [img]http://gallery.zealot.com/data/500/medium/000_0017.JPG[/img]

==Top image==

Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:''Images removed''

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that for an article on movie Prime, the picture should be one of his actual movie appearance, rather than an adaption of that appearance from other media. It just seems more...relevant. Also, despite the plethora of suitable images out there, there isn't a single, clear, full-body shot of Prime's movie appearance on the page. Does that seem right to you? Also, we have to think of what people want when they search for something; if they're searching for movie Prime, it's movie Prime we should give them first and foremost, rather than an adaption.
:You're replying to a 6 year old conversation. I think the image we have now was decided on after this conversation. (also, sign your posts.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 22:14, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Could we please change the main picture, that cartoonish picture really threw me off when I first started using this website. Why not use one of the many Cgi renders from the 3 movies? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 15:27, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:No. We don't change an image just cause 1 person doesn't like it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 15:34, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::It seems with all the promo renders out there we could have found something better than that, it dosen't even look that accurate, with the colors. But maybe this is just me. [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 15:40, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::The only real guideline for mainpics is that they depict the character in their original Earth form. There's no reason that they have to be sourced from the media that created those models. For instance, several TFP characters use art from a How To Draw TF Prime book for their mainpic rather than renders of the show model. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:53, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::In general, we aim for variety. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:56, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
<nowiki>[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]]</nowiki> --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:Can we change it now? There has got to be something better. How about [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA.jpg|this]] or [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA original.jpg|this]]. There used to be a ROTF poster of Prime out there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:16, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::Hearing no objection... - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]]
:::I think it would be badass if we used a screenshot of him cutting off Bonecrusher's head with the caption "Freedom is the right of all sentient be ... oh slag that."[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:30, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I think LG or one of the recent TV spots has a shot of Prime with his Ion Blaster out and about to shoot someone in the head (I guess). If we could get a good, clear shot of that, that would be awesome.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 19:08, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:the box shows blue, but it is still yellow unfortunately--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film. I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
::When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:::In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems I have been misinformed. Thank you all for the clarification. [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 17:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Why were my edits removed? ==

Peter Cullen did say that.
I was just trying to make the images work better. [[User:208.190.203.162|208.190.203.162]] 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shall I include to this page? y/n ==
Someone got arrested at an airport for wearing a TF2007 Optimus Prime T-shirt? [[http://gizmodo.com/394544/optimus-prime-t+shirt-transforms-into-arrest-threat-at-airport source]] [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 21:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's fun trivia, especially if you contrast it with the fact that Megatron's always been the perceived [[For safety reasons|safety hazard]]. I'd link to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7431640.stm this BBC article] instead, though, since it's a more mainstream, firsthand source. Also, he wasn't actually arrested. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Prime's Great Plan ==

Acknowledging that yes, the entry ''is'' fairly tongue-in-cheek to begin with, is the last trivia bit really fair? Obviously, Megatron was powerful, and nothing we'd want tromping around Earth any longer than he had to be. Without the All Spark for which he came to Earth to begin with, though, I don't recall him having the power to obliterate Earth. In fact, between the remaining Autobots and their good friends in the U.S. military, who showed during the battle of Mission City that no, not even Megatron was not invulnerable against heavy weapons fire... well, I'm hesitant to call the outcome either way, but it doesn't like the kind of foregone conclusion/idiotic plan the entry makes it out to be. Any thoughts? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 04:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

==Seen ROTF, want to change main caption SO BAD==
To "I will cut off your face!" It's especially awesome with our new main image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

* On that subject, if this continuity's Optimus is a violent rebel, does that mean his [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] equivalent is a benign dictator? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 05:39, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Nah, he's a decadant Nero-like emperor. <tt>Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... in bed.</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:41, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That is so Prime! I kinda like this violent bloodthirsty Prime.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== Introduction ==

Should we change the introduction to reflect current continuity as established in [[Transformers: Defiance|Defiance]], or just keep it as it is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:24, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'd favor scrapping this intro altogether and starting anew. Intro notes aren't supposed to be summaries of events like this, theyr'e suppsoed to be about the character's personality, connections abilities etc.
:When the movie first came out, the only thing that set him apart from the other Optimus Primes was his backstory. Since then he's developed his own personality quite a bit. He's speechier than the original Prime, and fightier. (And crazier. I think he's still Abraham Lincoln + John Wayne... but his Wayne side is from ''The Searchers''.)
:The brother stuff needs to be relegated to trivia too-- it got cut from the 2007 movie itself, and the 2009 movie seems to throw it out altogether. It's a teardown-and-redo. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:47, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Trailer super mode ==
It appears that Prime at some point in production of ROTF would get a trailer, and would combine with it to get a [[Super Mode]]: http://www.joshnizzi.com/oproughs.html --[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:That's [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire's]] parts he's combined with. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:19, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
::That's not Jetfire. It says 'Trailer Suit'. Jetfire is not a trailer! [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 14:50, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

== Prime and faces ==

Movieverse Optimus Prime seems to have a habit of ripping his opponents' faces off. Should we list this as a trait? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:17, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:The 'GIVE ME YOUR FACE' joke in the image captions is getting annoying and repetitive. What should be done about it? [[Special:Contributions/81.155.131.13|81.155.131.13]] 06:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

The "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" joke is hilarious and makes my day.

Seconded. Also, sign your posts. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:43, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:It's already in the trivia and the joke stays.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:56, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Good. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:05, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== I have a massive gallery if anybody wants screencaps from both movies. ==

Optimus has some of the best facial expressions, but they go by SO fast.

Anyway, I have a huge gallery of over 200 Optimus movie screencaps from both films. They're up for grabs if anybody wants to use them in articles or whatever.

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/24a8bf8847330ed806d929dbf28b6627/

[[User:CH|CH]] 17:06, 23 November 2009 (EST)
==Make Optimus Prime Talk==
Remember that contest where "do a barrel roll!" won but Hasbro chickened out of using it? Where's the page for that.{{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}
:[[Make Prime Speak|Right here]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:08, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

==Bio==
Think it needs updating to bring in the Foundation and Rising Storm character elements? [[User:Eire]] 16.09 (BST) 28 May 2011

== Trailer/Flight..., thing? ==

Do we have an article for his DOTM... thing?

The DOTM novelization calls it his "weapons pack" (p352,) but also notes that the "flight equipment" (p356) is it's "true form" as opposed to the trailer or weapons base modes.

The Junior Novel uses "flight harness" and "mobile battle kit", which I find vastly preferable unless we have more official terms. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:53, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:To throw another one in, it's an Armored Weapons Platform in the [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:01, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::Armored Weapons Platform is a proper noun unlike the others, and it's a sensible term.
::What do you think, [[Armored Weapons Platform]] converts to trailer and flight harness? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:38, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:::It's far from clear that all the things that transform out of Prime's trailer are the exact same trailer. And the Ultimate Prime's armor is called the Omega Combat Armor, as I recall...which is of course the same trailer in trailer mode as the rest of them. I assume the "mobile battle kit" specifically refers to the armory mode, but it seems like the most generic of these official terms. -[[User:LV|LV]] 18:30, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::::The Mobile Battle Kit phrase does indeed come from the Chernobyl sequence of the Jr. Novel when it unfolds into that armory-ring.
::::Is there a decent shot of the trailer in one of the officially released, um... ''trailers'' or commercials? Otherwise I'm going to nab one from the video game launch trailer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Did the Matrix of Leadership ==

Somehow give Optimus a vision of the past? In the novel and in the movie, he has a line to which he counters the Fallen that alludes to him knowing of the original primes, when he did seem to know of them before, right? Should this be noted on the article? It seems like, maybe, a plot point that was sort of forgotten, the importance of Optimus's ancestry. --[[Special:Contributions/205.250.176.157|205.250.176.157]] 00:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Walkaround Character ==

[[Image:USH-Walkaround-Optimus-Prime.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
Universal Studios Hollywood has walkaround versions of Bumblebee and Optimus Prime. I'm sure they should be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I'm not sure where. --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 21:39, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==New May 2015 layout==

Definitely a clearer layout than the old one; we lose some of the chronology but the ease of navigation makes up for it. Roll on this elsewhere! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 16:04, 20 May 2015 (GMT)

== Main Picture ==

Could someone change it to actually from the film? I'd prefer that over comic Prime. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 18:10, 9 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:No. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:11, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
I don't really care, so whatever. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 20:49, 1 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Your mom (disambiguation)

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== Sideways? ==

How is he involved here? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 14:07, 14 August 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Storm Surge (Movie)

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Skywarp Prime:

{{factions|decepticonfilm|sector7}}
{{disambig2|the hovercraft from the 2007 movie franchise|the hovercraft from ''Universe''|Storm Surge (Universe)}}
:''Storm Surge is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|Transformers]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:StormSurge Titan18.jpg|right|200px|thumb|He's also more likely to blow his eardrums out.]]
'''Storm Surge''' is a bad guy, apparently hiding out in [[Sector Seven]]'s naval vehicle pool. He is well known for his tendency to attack literally everything in a fight. Corrosive salt blasts, napalm, depth charges...no Autobot avoids getting hit by these in a fight with him. Neither do his fellow Decepticons. This is in large part because Storm Surge doesn't believe in aiming. He believes that if he discharges a lot of ammo over a lot of ground, he's more likely—not guaranteed, just ''more likely''—to hurt the opposition.

==Fiction==
===Titan movie comic===
{{notetitantlg}}
[[Image:Fracture StormSurge Titan.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Totally a Cybertronian mode!]]
Storm Surge was one of the [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] guzzling Decepticons working under [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]], and refused to abandon the dying [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} He helped summon an alien entity to rebirth the planet and got to open up the dock that allowed the entity access to the core. As it turned out to be a [[Unicron|primordial death force]], Storm Surge probably feels like a bit of a tosser.

He'd been ordered to track down Autobots with [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}} but the Unicron chaos caused them to lose their quarry and return to base, where Stockade declared an end to hostilities against the Autobots so they could focus on Unicron. Somehow, Storm Surge had found the time to replace his shoulder blasters with turbines. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} He went on to help shoot up Unicron's insides. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

When Stockade made a deal with the Autobots and arrived to defend Earth, Storm Surge was part of his air support. In vehicle mode. Which means an army of [[Payload (Movie)|Payloads]] got to see ''a flying boat''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Revolution Part 2}}

He helped storm the [[Decepticon Heartland]] and got himself fired on by Megatron, with Fracture showing some concern by specifically ordering Surge to move. Unfortunately for him, he didn't move quickly enough to escape being teleported to and exiled on Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}}

===IDW movie comics===
[[File:StormSurgerisingstorm2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
Many years ago, Storm Surge was a member of Cybertron's defense forces under the command of [[Megatron (Movie)|Protector Megatron]]. After the discovery of a [[The Fallen|mysterious relic]] and an attack by aliens from the [[Eshems Nebula]], Megatron all but declared a military dictatorship and led the planet to war against the invaders. Storm Surge was present for his war rally {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} and presumably later joined Megatron's Decepticon faction. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}}

Storm Surge eventually made his way to [[Earth]], and joined [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s forces. He was part of the group who went to track down the rogue Decepticon scrap drone [[Brains]] in [[Philadelphia]]. The job turned out to be more complicated than they anticipated with the unexpected arrival of the Autobots [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] and [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Storm Surge got mistaken for Mirage in the chaos of the battle, and was cannon-blasted by his teammate [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]]. Bludgeon wasn't particularly concerned about that, though. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
[[File:Movie-toy Storm Surge.jpg|right|300px|thumb|OK, turns out he's [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]].]]
*'''Storm Surge''' (Target exclusive Scout Class, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Pistol, Cybertron Decepticon Cyber Key

: A [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Shortround (Cybertron)#Toys|Shortround]], Storm Surge transforms into a hovercraft. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] into his key jack swings a pair of (non-firing) torpedo racks up into firing position. This gimmick is available in both vehicle and robot modes. There is also a small, non-firing gun that can be held in either of his claws or can be mounted on the top of his hovercraft mode.
: Storm Surge has a [[Sector 7]] insignia on his alternate mode.

: During transformation, snapping the torso into place forces the head up, making it easier to twist into place. He also has wheels on the underside of his vehicle mode, allowing him to be rolled on smooth surfaces.

: Storm Surge is part of the [[AllSpark Power]] series of Target-[[exclusive]] [[Size class|Scout Class]] toys.

:This toy was later [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]]. This mold was also the basis of the non-toy "[[Theft of the Golden Disk]]" version of [[Scorponok (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Scorponok]].

: In 2009, this toy was rereleased in the [[Walmart]] [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]] exclusive ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' "War of the Waves" two-pack as [[Storm Surge (Universe)|Storm Surge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/StormSurge/stormsurge.htm More information on Storm Surge at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
* Storm Surge was "revealed" in Target's online catalogue when his pictures were accidentally put on the page for the ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]] Transformers'' [[General Grievous]] toy. Whoops.
* The only [[insignia|faction symbol]] on Storm Surge's body is a [[Sector Seven]] mark. His Key, however, bears the Decepticon sigil.
* [[Chris Mowry]] had plans to use Storm Surge in ''[[Transformers: Alliance]]'', but the idea didn't end up happening.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/mowry-73165.html#vmessage281346]</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Movie Decepticons]]
[[Category:Sea specialists]]
[[Category:Sector Seven]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]

Storm Surge (Movie)

2019-08-12T00:19:27Z

Skywarp Prime:

{{factions|decepticonfilm|sector7}}
{{disambig2|the hovercraft from the 2007 movie franchise|the hovercraft from ''Universe''|Storm Surge (Universe)}}
:''Storm Surge is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Movie (franchise)|Transformers]] portion of the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:StormSurge Titan18.jpg|right|200px|thumb|He's also more likely to blow his eardrums out.]]
'''Storm Surge''' is a bad guy, apparently hiding out in [[Sector Seven]]'s naval vehicle pool. He is well known for his tendency to attack literally everything in a fight. Corrosive salt blasts, napalm, depth charges...no Autobot avoids getting hit by these in a fight with him. Neither do his fellow Decepticons. This is in large part because Storm Surge doesn't believe in aiming. He believes that if he discharges a lot of ammo over a lot of ground, he's more likely—not guaranteed, just ''more likely''—to hurt the opposition.

==Fiction==
===Titan movie comic===
{{notetitantlg}}
[[Image:Fracture StormSurge Titan.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Totally a Cybertronian mode!]]
Storm Surge was one of the [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] guzzling Decepticons working under [[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]], and refused to abandon the dying [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 17|Return to Cybertron: Part 1}} He helped summon an alien entity to rebirth the planet and got to open up the dock that allowed the entity access to the core. As it turned out to be a [[Unicron|primordial death force]], Storm Surge probably feels like a bit of a tosser.

He'd been ordered to track down Autobots with [[Fracture (Movie)|Fracture]], {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 18|Return to Cybertron: Part 2}} but the Unicron chaos caused them to lose their quarry and return to base, where Stockade declared an end to hostilities against the Autobots so they could focus on Unicron. Somehow, Storm Surge had found the time to replace his shoulder blasters with turbines. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 19|Return to Cybertron: Part 3}} He went on to help shoot up Unicron's insides. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 20|Return to Cybertron: Part 4}}

When Stockade made a deal with the Autobots and arrived to defend Earth, Storm Surge was part of his air support. In vehicle mode. Which means an army of [[Payload (Movie)|Payloads]] got to see ''a flying boat''. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 24|Revolution Part 2}}

He helped storm the [[Decepticon Heartland]] and got himself fired on by Megatron, with Fracture showing some concern by specifically ordering Surge to move. Unfortunately for him, he didn't move quickly enough to escape being teleported to and exiled on Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 25|Revolution Part 3}}

===IDW movie comics===
[[File:StormSurgerisingstorm2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
Many years ago, Storm Surge was a member of Cybertron's defense forces under the command of [[Megatron (Movie)|Protector Megatron]]. After the discovery of a [[The Fallen|mysterious relic]] and an attack by aliens from the [[Eshems Nebula]], Megatron all but declared a military dictatorship and led the planet to war against the invaders. Storm Surge was present for his war rally {{storylink|Defiance issue 2|Defiance #2}} and presumably later joined Megatron's Decepticon faction. {{storylink|Defiance issue 3|Defiance #3}}

Storm Surge eventually made his way to [[Earth]], and joined [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s forces. He was part of the group who went to track down the rogue Decepticon scrap drone [[Brains]] in [[Philadelphia]]. The job turned out to be more complicated than they anticipated with the unexpected arrival of the Autobots [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]] and [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Storm Surge got mistaken for Mirage in the chaos of the battle, and was cannon-blasted by his teammate [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]]. Bludgeon wasn't particularly concerned about that, though. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}}
{{-}}

==Toys==
===Transformers (2007)===
[[File:Movie-toy Storm Surge.jpg|right|300px|thumb|OK, turns out he's [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]].]]
*'''Storm Surge''' (Target exclusive Scout Class, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Pistol, Cybertron Decepticon Cyber Key

: A [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Shortround (Cybertron)#Toys|Shortround]], Storm Surge transforms into a hovercraft. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] into his key jack swings a pair of (non-firing) torpedo racks up into firing position. This gimmick is available in both vehicle and robot modes. There is also a small, non-firing gun that can be held in either of his claws or can be mounted on the top of his hovercraft mode.I
: Storm Surge has a [[Sector 7]] insignia on his alternate mode.

: During transformation, snapping the torso into place forces the head up, making it easier to twist into place. He also has wheels on the underside of his vehicle mode, allowing him to be rolled on smooth surfaces.

: Storm Surge is part of the [[AllSpark Power]] series of Target-[[exclusive]] [[Size class|Scout Class]] toys.

:This toy was later [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]]. This mold was also the basis of the non-toy "[[Theft of the Golden Disk]]" version of [[Scorponok (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Scorponok]].

: In 2009, this toy was rereleased in the [[Walmart]] [[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]] exclusive ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' "War of the Waves" two-pack as [[Storm Surge (Universe)|Storm Surge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/StormSurge/stormsurge.htm More information on Storm Surge at TFU.info]''

==Notes==
* Storm Surge was "revealed" in Target's online catalogue when his pictures were accidentally put on the page for the ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]] Transformers'' [[General Grievous]] toy. Whoops.
* The only [[insignia|faction symbol]] on Storm Surge's body is a [[Sector Seven]] mark. His Key, however, bears the Decepticon sigil.
* [[Chris Mowry]] had plans to use Storm Surge in ''[[Transformers: Alliance]]'', but the idea didn't end up happening.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/mowry-73165.html#vmessage281346]</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Movie Decepticons]]
[[Category:Sea specialists]]
[[Category:Sector Seven]]
[[Category:Target exclusives]]

Talk:Bumblebee (Movie)/toys

2019-08-03T23:51:17Z

Skywarp Prime:

==Split AGAIN?==
Apparently this page is 52 KB, which is fuckoff huge by Wiki standards. I propose splitting it into Bumblebee/toys and Bumblebee/merchandise. Any opposition? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:31, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:52 kB isn't that large—only old browsers have trouble editing. 100 kB is a better point to split it. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:27, 15 November 2009 (EST)

==Leader Bumblebee==

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/285964-5th-rotf-leader-class-mold.html

Is it time to add a new sub section? [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 13:13, 4 January 2010 (EST)
: Not until we get official confirmation, and not something stolen or leaked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:01, 4 January 2010 (EST)

== Battle Blade Bumblebee losing his head? ==

I got Battle Blade Bumblebee today (the first of any of the Movieverse Bumblebees I've ever gotten) and the head seems to come off fairly easy when I convert him. For article noting purposes, I would like to know if anybody else has had this problem with this particular toy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:42, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
:Nope, and sorry, but you're better off asking a message board, because this question is not a discussion about the content of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:06, 2 August 2010 (EDT)
::I only ask because if this problem is widespread, it should be noted like other flaws with toys (ROTF's Sideswipe's torso problem, for example). However, I'll yield and drop the subject (no more message boards for me). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 10:08, 3 August 2010 (EDT)
:::I've seen some with the heads somewhere rattling around in the box.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:49, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Never had a problem with mine and I've owned it since August. I'm not aware of the Sideswipe problem either as never had an issue with any of the three different Sideswipes I have had (I only own Sidearms now having sold off the others) {{Unsigned|86.29.57.94}}

== DOTM ==

I think someoneshould add a DOTM secton. But not me. Who knows what I could mess up!--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:52, 19 February 2011 (EST)

==DOTM Deluxe Bee==

Before we get into ANOTHER edit-war, could SOMEONE ELSE kindly clarify whether Deluxe Bee is a retool or a remold? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:12, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
: I really have no idea. I don't own Battle Blades Bumblebee, and I didn't pay much attention to deluxe Bee at Toy Fair, either. I do wonder how TOM can claim to know DOTM Bee is "smaller," though. Officially, that is. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:18, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:: In this video from Optibotimus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqamRtmGRE&lc=dvoyhyMz9fImTQ08Lks14SfbmygpwUD7PrqSK0yW-8Q&feature=inbox Quote: because this figure is smaller than any other version of bumblebee, they technically are all brand new parts. They couldn't reuse any other Bumblebee parts cause they no longer would fit. -Optibotimus --[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:48, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
: So like I said. You got this information from illegal sources. How many times have I asked you to not do that? Would you say one million times? What will it take to make you learn, or do I just have to get rid of you? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:: Illegal? How?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 14:56, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::The toy has not been released for sale. Therefore, anyone who has one has acquired it through illegal means. THEY ARE STOLEN!!!!!!! --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:58, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::: Peaugh hs one LEAGALY; he bought it from KAPOW! Toys. I even asked a guy who reviews the toys for the company, and he said KAPOW! is 100% legit, and they DO NOT sell stolen items!--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:02, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::Because people who sell stolen items always say that. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RELEASED FOR SALE. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:08, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::''He'' doesn't sell them, he just reviews them for the company.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:11, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Kapow Toys's own site says that: "PRE-ORDER Transformers Dark of the Moon Deluxe Bumblebee US Card PRE-ORDER DUE MAY - JUNE 2011". How can he have it from them if they won't have it for another month? And what company does he do the reviews for? And how do you know? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:13, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::He is still reviewing stolen property. The release date for these toys is not for several months. Because you can't seem to learn, and me telling you to stop adding stolen information to our wiki is at least a once-a-week occurrence that has gone on for as long as you've been editing this wiki, you are going on an extended vacation. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 26 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::: What's the Deluxe Bee that has a weapon hole on his hood rather than the roof? I saw a pic of it somewhere but can't seem to find it again. {{Unsigned|86.29.57.94}}
:::::::::: The cries of "ILLEGAL" sound awfully corporate to me. What moral obligation are you pulling here to disregard sources of information that aren't press releases? "Stolen information" is one of the most pompous things I've seen on this site, and that's saying a lot seeing as how more than half it is dedicated to proxy rage against raging fans. {{Unsigned|74.63.112.139}}
:::::::::::Familiarize yourself with [[Help:Official info#Stolen toys are bad|this]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:16, 12 July 2011 (EDT)

== Lunchables ==

What with the lockdown, I can't correct the following errors in the Lunchables section: plateform ---> platform, creatre ---> create, itiration ---> iteration. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 26 March 2011 (EDT)

== Redeco Jokes ==

Yes, there's a billion Bumblebee redecos. We all know that. Can we stop making caption jokes about it? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 19:40, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Nitro 'bee ==
Is Nitro 'bee's molded license plate a new thing for Transformers? Usually it's either a sticker, or just a flat space, but Nitro 'bee has the whole thing molded on his back-end.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:37, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Leader writeup==
The previous edit's writeup wasn't great, but it wasn't worthless, either. I was going to rewrite it myself based on what our anonymous editor contributed, but I don't have the toy so I can't figure out quite what he means about some of it. Still, I think someone should try to overhaul it rather than just revert it outright to a version of the entry with no information at all. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:11, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:This was the previous entry:
"Leader class Bumblebee is a new mold made to be more movie accurate like all other figures under the leader class title. Bumblebee has no electronics or voice capabilities in the figure itself. Instead all the electronics are found in a jet pack/ weapon pack that can be clipped to either his back or the rear end of the car. The pack includes three weapons, a non firing shoulder cannon and two non firing missile packs that can be angled around his shoulders however you want it. The shoulder cannon plays a firing noise when pressed as well as deploys a scope that is entirely useless to the character for it comes nowhere near his face. the rocket launchers play a different noise of rockets being fired when pressed. The only other sound is the pack has a switch that, when pushed forward or pulled back, deploys/retracts the weapons and plays to notably different sounding transformation sounds between retracting and deploying (it also flashes blue or yellwolights when the above mentioned sounds play). ''Besides the pack, Bumblebee's only packaged weapon is the pulse cannon on his right arm. this cannon can't be replaced with a normal hand but it does telepathically pop out'' and the yellow piece on the lower arm can come forward (this doesn't happen on the other arm)to create what looks like a blade weapon.on his The Cameron mode can be put the weapon pack on and give him a sort of attack mode, likely based off the scene when Bumblebee briefly used weapons while in vehicle form. The form changes basically nothing, just opens the hood parts and reveals the arms where the door used to be (the door hangs over them now). Bumblebee has four five millimeter holes for the mech tech feature, one on the top of his shoulder (though the one on the side of his shoulder is to small for mech tech weapons) and one on his lower arms. The weapon system/ jet pack has five, two on the body of the pack, the third on the middle cannon, and one on each of the rocket launchers. The two launchers packs can be equiped with a c joint rung each. The alt mode has none but the attack form has the same four located on his arms as well as it includes the wepaon pack's seven mech tech points. In total, Bumblebee can store up to nine mech weapons. The pack can't really be placed on any other mech tech characters due to it's massive size and the connector peg, though the Deluxe calss Laserbeak can be plugged onto it and his arms if you want." --[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:31, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Citation needed ==

As the person who added the bit that was given the "citation needed" treatment, I can confirm that there was a weird version of the checklist on Hasbro's website a few years ago that listed all sorts of unreleased toys (that list is where we got the name "Halloween Horrorcons" from) which also listed all the Screen Battles sets with four instead of three human figures. That list should be long gone by now.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:01, 29 May 2012 (EDT)

== "Impossible!" ==
As I was editing the page myself (not sure if it will still be kept on or not), I found it daunting trying to edit the page because it was so long it is nearly impossible to go where you need to be, or your mind is just screwed.

So my Idea to rectify the problem (and perhaps to make the "Bumblebee toys" a little less overwhelming for those who read or edit it), is perhaps to split the page apart to equal sections (as in parts to continue) or towards which movie (e.g. Bumblee toys ROTF) with a hint of what came afterwards (e.g. the 2010 line) before moving to the next page (Bumblebee toys DOTM) and so forth.

Not sure if anyone could agree on this, but It is I hope a good point on a result of why we hate Bumblebee so much.[[User:Go(toby070)Bots|Go(toby070)Bots]] ([[User talk:Go(toby070)Bots|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2014 (EDT)
:That's what the headers and table of contents are for. Ctrl+F is your best friend. Besides, this isn't even the longest page.

:And who's this "we" you're talking about? --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] ([[User talk:Inkblot|talk]]) 22:40, 10 May 2014 (EDT)

== Studio Series toy ==

Any consensus from owners on whether ''Studio Series'' Bumblebee best qualifies as a heavy retool or a partial-tool? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:56, 6 March 2018 (EST)

== mpm07 ==

mpm07 beatle bumblebee needs to be added {{unsigned|Optimusprimerotfrocks}}
:The listng has no pictures and comes from an unofficial affiliate of Hasbro, therefore, it constitutes as leak, and has no place on the wiki. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:32, 1 September 2018 (EDT)

mpm07 has been listed on tfsource for preorder and has been revealed on tfw2005 by hasbro
http://news.tfw2005.com/2018/09/21/tranformers-masterpiece-movie-mpm-07-bumblebee-vw-beetle-official-images-and-announcement-372059 {{unsigned|Optimusprimerotfrocks}}
:We already have the toy up. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:49, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

== New Studio Series ==

Should we add the photo for the new Bee figure? Official images have been released. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 19:51, 3 August 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Soundwave (ROTF)

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==Toy in stores==
* I just got Soundwave in a shop in Belgium, is that even posible when this page says it's not on shelves now?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:51, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

== Whaa? ==

What happened to my edit? I added a mainpic then it just disappeared {{unsigned|Ikkwave}}

:The picture was crappy so it was removed. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 06:01, 17 June 2009 (EDT)

:Oh ok XD [[User:Ikkwave|Ikkwave]] 01:02, 19 June 2009 (EDT)

Yeah that has happened to me on some of the other wikis I'm on like Smurf wiki and ninja turtle wiki, I have not figured it out yet! - middle school kid

== Head in ROTF ==

Anybody else agree on Soundwave's head in the movie actually being that armoured decoy head the toy has on the back? Looking at the toy that matches far more with what I saw on screen, but I'll know for sure near end of this week when I go and see it again.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 06:51, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

-The head in ROTF looks like a cross between the two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 10:59, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
==Toy shoulders==

:''The configuration for the satellite mode depicted in the toy's instructions is not the way Soundwave appears in the film, featuring a different angling for the panels on his shoulders. It's not a big change, but transforming the toy in accordance with his movie appearance ''does'' help to distinguish the jet from the satellite a little, since otherwise, virtually the only difference is in the positioning of the large panel "wings".''

What, exactly, is that referring to? Although many fans (and the official press photos) skip it, the toy's instructions '''do''' show a change in the shoulder panels' position between the jet and the satellite: that's the only way the satellite's panels plug into them. I tried to look at the shoulders the last time I saw the movie, but they looked like the properly transformed version. Before I just delete that section, can someone show me what I'm missing? --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 19:32, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

:Essentially, the toy shows the panels folded down against the shoulders - not bent in the middle and actually plugged into the circular grooves as they are for jet and robot modes, but straight, flat and downwardly-pointing. In the film, they're rotated 90 degrees, fanned out, with the large, flat side (with the orange circle) facing outward. Well, inasmuch as what you see in the movie looks anything ''like'' the toy. He's got two panels fanned out on either side of his head. I suppose, though, after a moment of reflection, that his panels shift and move about so much in the film that it might be a bit negligible. It's just that without it, the only difference between the two modes is bending the shoulder panels down a bit and clicking the large wing-panels into them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:42, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==New main picture==

'Rise of the Decepticons' has a good double-page picture of Soundwave hacking into the American satellite, which I feel would be a better choice for main picture as it really embodies his role in the film. Would it be okay to change it, or does TFWiki have an unofficial policy that main pictures have to be of TF's in their robot mode? [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 05:44, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Given that Soundwave doesn't use his robot mode in his most prominent fiction appearance, I think it would be fine if the article's main imagine was of his satellite mode. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 12:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
:Okay, seeing the actual picture in question... I don't think that makes a very good main pic at all. It is dominated by the actual satellite and not Soundwave himself. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:25, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::I could crop it to focus entirely on Soundwave, although it looks a little odd as his main body is entirely on the left-hand side of the picture unless you crop the right wing too. I'm going to try a version where it's centered on his head and see what people think.[[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:09, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

== Repeat? ==

Did anyone else notice how two of Soundwave's scenes were the same? Specifically, his first appearance, and his last. Anyone? [[Special:Contributions/24.89.74.34|24.89.74.34]] 02:23, 10 July 2009 (EDT)

== Soundwave's Packaging ==
On the back of his packaging it says, "Cannon converts to blade!" Is it me or is there a lack of cannon?
[[User:Boxotron|Boxotron]] 12:32, 23 August 2009 (EDT)
:I believe that comes from ROTF Megatron's packaging? [[Special:Contributions/114.108.194.66|114.108.194.66]] 00:45, 8 June 2010 (EDT)

== New pictures ==

I found the ROTF screenshots from an [http://www.fxguide.com/article551.html FX Guide] interview with [[Digital Domain]]. If anyone could resize the screencaps for me or trim the black bars, since Photoshop doesn't work on my PC, that'd be much appreciated. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 07:22, 28 August 2009 (EDT)

== Rumble and Laserbeak ==

Should we make seperate pages for Rumble and Laserbeak? The two appeared as pods in the DLC for the game so thy deserve a page! and I don't care if they weren't officially named, half the animated characters are unnamed! like "freeway" "carerra" so lets make a Rumble page and a Laserbeak Page! there is no reason we shouldn't!{{unsigned|92.238.187.82|13:10, September 2, 2009 (EDT)}}
:If pages for them are created with enough effort put into them to make them presentable, they won't be deleted. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:45, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

Then lets do it!{{unsigned|92.238.187.82|15:07, September 11, 2009 (EDT)}}

They are in Nefarious 1, pictures requested.
-ThiAthEhn

== Is it really necessary? ==

Can we lose the tentacle rape line? What if kids are reading this?
: [[Kiss Players issue 1]] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:07, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::What if ''non-Japanese'' kids are reading this? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:13, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::Well, then we'll have to delete all the Kiss Players articles, won't we? I mean, if the word "rape" is unacceptable, then the visuals they include are right out, aren't they? ;-P - '''McFeely, not signed in'''
::::Sweet! Oh... You are being sarcastic. I suggested that a while back but Scout shot the idea down. Personally, I think KP should not be called attention to by linking from completely unrelated articles for the sake of a... joke?. Seriously, I don't think we're doing Hasbro any favors. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Oh, I take no issue with idea of removing the word-linking. Joke works on its own without needing the link. I take issue with the whole "Think of the children!" argument. "What if kids are reading this?" is not a workable argument for removing something from the wiki when official things like ''Kiss Players'' exist. - '''McFeely'''
::::::If Hasbro were that concerned about children stumbling onto "inappropriate" Transformers content, maybe they shouldn't have had that blockbuster movie with the swearing and the humping and the testicles. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:08, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::::We totally need a screen shot of the satellite with a caption along the lines of "Why what's such a fine little satellite like you doing all alone out here in space?", also I think my image caption is awesome and it should stay the way it is. [[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 14:30, 14 December 2009 (EST)

-I think we should at least remove the line from the main-pic. I think a more appropriate line would be some sort of Space Invaders reference. Thoughts?--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 13:23, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

Hello, I'm a middle school girl, you really SHOULD get the tentacle rape line it's sorta awkward for a fan like me to be reading this, Sound wave is my favorite transformer next to bumble bee and I don't like the caption under that photo!

It's not inappropriate because of children seeing it, it's inappropriate because rape jokes are offensive. There are two rape jokes here and I find this disgusting. Rape should not be equated with humour. It's not the word "rape" that's unacceptable, it's the use of the subject as a joke. Especially "operation Childhood Raoe" and the one about "Why what's such a fine little satellite like you doing all alone out here in space?", that last one is misogynistic and all rape jokes contribute to rape culture and can be a trigger for rape survivors. In case you don't know what rape culture is, is the present society problem where rape victims are made fun of, or blamed for being raped. The rape jokes on this page can be a cause of much emotional harm in certain individuals. --[[User:FA254|FA254]] 14:34, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
:"Bayformers raped my childhood!" is a common absurd hyperbolic sentiment in the TF fandom, it's not a joke about children getting raped. I don't see any caption like the second one you mention, but with regards to the mainpic caption you tried to remove, I can't see that a joke about a robot 'raping' an inanimate object with tentacles is that outrageous on a wiki which documents [[Legion|instances of (attempted) tentacle rape]] on human women in fiction. I mean, what, are we going to put a big TRIGGER WARNING notice at the top of every Kiss Players page now? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:16, 30 July 2013 (EDT)
::I removed the captions. "Raped my childhood" is a bullshit phrase I'd just as soon not see on this wiki (or ever) unless it's being dissected for its whining self-importance and asshattish insensitivity. And the mainpic one wasn't funny, it was just HURF DURF RAPE. So it goes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:22, 30 July 2013 (EDT)

== Soundwave RPM ==

Why isn't it listed among his toys and merchandise? could someone please give me a coherent answer?.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 23:00, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:"No one has gotten around to it yet". It's been officially revealed, both at Toy Fair 2010 and on [http://bwtf.com/node/1304 BWTF], so that's not an issue in this case. It might simply be a matter of waiting for the Hasbro stock photography to be released. (I forget who does most of the RPM updates... abates or apoc, I think?)
:Anyway, you might try adding "please" next time. Your statement came off as a bit impolite. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:20, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:Sorry, was in a rush, tried to add the toy to the page but remembered to ask first before making any important edit--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 01:18, 17 March 2010 (EDT)
::I have already seen the toy in MercadoLibre (the mexican equivalent of eBay) and there's still no photo of RPM Soundwave? BTW, I believe his Legends toy needs a description, I'll take of it later.--[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 22:27, 25 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Turns out he was released in Mexico and other countries judging by the package. I'll give more info and photos when I get him. [http://articulo.mercadolibre.com.mx/MLM-51015853-camioneta-soundwave-transformers-metal-heroes-164-metal-_JM]
::::It actually looks like the RPM release of Soundwave (and maybe the last two waves of other RPM product) was canceled for the United States (and probably Canada). We've only heard about them otherwise being released in the Philippines, and the Speed Stars (white card) version of Soundwave is already in stores. I don't know if the RPM and Speed Stars version of Soundwave are physically different, but I know they have slightly different bios. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:38, 23 August 2010 (EDT)
:::::I got him today (ironically, at the closest supermarket from my home), and it seems that the tetralingual (intended for all countries outside the U.S. in America) release doesn't come with a bio, unlike the one released in the Philppines. He does have some deco differences compared to the Speed Stars version: the Speed Stars version lacks paint in the doors, as well as the chest, arms, legs and face of the "robot" mode unlike the RPM release that has this fully painted and the plastic in the bottom of the car is cast in a different color: the RPM version is bronze while the Speed Stars version is golden. The robot mode looks like WFC Soundwave, so I suggest this toy is also listed or noted in that page, (Soundwave (Prime)), however, the RPM bio identifies him as ROFT Soundwave, I haven´t read the Speed Stars bio so Í'm not sure about that toy's identity. Oh, and the RPM release has "Soundwave-Audio" written on the inferior part of the doors in adition to having the tail lights painted (in red)-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:01, 7 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Do we consider RPM/Speed Stars Soundwave the same character as ROFT Soundwave? Oh, and the rest of the Metal Heroes have just been released in all local supermarkets in my area.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 04:00, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Despite his oddball design, the bio and "Paramount Pictures" logo seem to suggest he is ROTF Soundwave in a new Earth mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:51, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::The Stealth Force toy lacks any Paramount Pictures logo or information anywhere on its packaging, though. Indicator that it's meant to be G1 or WFC/Prime? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 01:46, 15 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I spotted him in a store today, and his bio starts off (and I'm paraphrasing because at $20 I wasn't game to buy one) "He may have left his post in orbit to join his fellow Decepticons on the ground..." which implies to me that he's ROTF Soundwave. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:51, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Well again there's no Paramount or Dreamworks logos anywhere... Don't have either bios handy (trilingual packaging here means I don't see bios until after I've opened a toy) I wonder if there's any similarities between the Generations WFC Soundwave bio and the Stealth Force one. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:25, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::I'm guessing they get to skip on using the Paramount/Dreamworks logos, because there's no connection in appearance to movie Soundwave, plus they're not using ROTF branding any more. SF 'Wave's bio is all about his sonic weapons, while WFC 'Wave's bio is all about how he's a storehouse of knowledge, so there's no similarities I can see. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:45, 18 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I found some photos of RPM Soundwave, but they are from an user of TFW2005 [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/transformers-rpms-metal-heroes-series-released-in-the-philippines---in-hand-review-of-rpm-soundwave-169276/]. Should we use them?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 17:15, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

== Quote ==

I highly recommend changing the front page quote to "Too many sonic booms! Can't absorb-"--[[Special:Contributions/199.60.104.18|199.60.104.18]] 22:51, 31 May 2011 (EDT)

== soundwave dotm figure ==

when are they making a figure of soundwave from transformers dark of the moon

== Page Name Change ==

Would it be better if the page's name was changed to "Soundwave (Movie)" as opposed to "Soundwave (ROTF)". Soundwave appeared in both ROTF and DOTM. The page's name suggests that he was only in ROTF. I can't see why the page isn't called "Soundwave (Movie)" because there isn't another page with that name. [[Special:Contributions/96.238.30.200|96.238.30.200]] 12:23, 26 November 2011 (EST)
:It's because our disambiguation tags are based on the franchise the characters first appear in, rather than the continuity they occupy, in the same way we've got [[Optimus Prime (Armada)]] when he was in Energon and Cybertron, or [[Grimlock (G1)]] when he appeared in Generation 2 and Henkei. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:36, 26 November 2011 (EST)

== Movie Trilogy "Series" ==

Soundwave is featured on Movie Trilogy Series Optimus Prime's packaging as a cross-sell in a Soundblaster inspired deco. Unfortunately the entire series has been cancelled, except for Prime himself. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 21:19, 26 February 2012 (EST)

== dotm death section ==

Is the playbyplay necessary? It feels like it could use some brevity.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 18:38, 14 June 2014 (EDT)

== Studio Series ==

I heard that a Studio Series Soundwave was announced around the time of SDCC this year. Should a section be added about that? {{unsigned|Skywarp Prime}}
:No, SDCC 2019 already happened and we've had no such reveal. Not only that, we don't add rumors or anything that has yet to be confirmed by Hastak (or in some cases, if they show up in Hastak-endorsed stores and online shops first) [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:54, 25 July 2019 (EDT)
The figure has been announced officially and images have been released. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 19:49, 3 August 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Bumblebee (Movie)/toys

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Talk:Blackout (Movie)

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==Hard points==
Should it be mentioned in the article that the two hard points on the Voyager-class figure's shoulders are perfectly suited to plugging a Mini-con onto? I noticed this when I first purchased the figure, then tried it out when I got a chance; the pegs are almost identical to the ones on Armada and Energon figures.
[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 06:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Note it in the Voyager class toy's writeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Italicized trivia at the end of the toy writeup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't think its particularly significant, given that several non UT-era toys have that sort of 5mm peg with a hole in the middle. Even G1 Ultra Magnus has one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think mentioning as part of the toy's description that it has two Powerlinx pegs on its shoulders/helicopterpartthingy isn't intrusive, and is actually a good thing to know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Something that EXPANDS the toy's playability? HELL YES it should be mentioned! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Well the toy IS pretty unplayable in its present form, so it needs all the help it can get. I'll have to reword the blurb, because it suggests somebody at Haskara might have intended them to be Mini-Con ports, when they are not. Merely a coincidence. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::aaaaand i'll just remove what I just said - forgot about this giant weapon, there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout on mars ==

In the movie, [[Tom Banachek]] clearly state that the robot destroying the Bealgle 2 Rover has been identified as the one that attacked the base in Irak. Shouldn't that be mentioned?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 17:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I... don't think it's clearly stated. They say they have similar exoskeletal thingermajig. They could simply be saying he's the same species. We should be careful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah it was not clearly stated as such. What he told Keller was that they believe it the two things in the photos (Mars McRandomdude and Blackout) have a similar exoskeletal structure, not 'the thing that attacked the base destroyed this probe a couple of years ago!' --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well seeing that the transformers can also been ditingued by they personnal exoskeleton, we could mention it with a "Presumed", or a "it could be", even in the trivia, no?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::There's no evidence, so we can't suggest it in trivia, in my opinion. They do that far too often on the regular Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::It seemed pretty obvious to me that it was supposed to be the same guy. I assumed the "similar" part was just because now the guy turns into a helicopter and looks slightly different now-- not that it was a different guy. I mean, their silhouettes were basically the same. Regardless, if it's really a contended point, do we have any secondary material that addresses this at all? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed the 'similar' bit meant 'we think it's the same species.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It seemed to me that Banachek was saying it's the same robot. However, it is at best implied, and the idea of that being Blackout contradicts, IMO, Bumblebee's designation as N.B.E.-2. I was under the impression that Bumblebee was supposed to be the Mars robot, and thus was surprised by the (to me) implied "it was Blackout". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, no, we know the rover-smasher was definitely either Starscream, Blackout or Barricade - we see it ''happen'' on the second-to-last page of the IDW prequel. We just don't see which one of them delivers the blow. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Tom clearly states that they are of “the same exoskeletal type”, so other than it being Blackout who the image is compared to, there is no implication that they are the same one what so ever. The purpose of that scene was to show they are the same species, nothing more. As far as evidence in the movie goes, the Mars Transformer is no more Blackout than it is any other character.
Obviously the images do look similar, but then most of the transformers are similar anyway, (just try looking at silhouettes of the Atobot protoforms for instance), realistically blackout would be too big for the event; he would overwhelm the view and would have cast the rover in a much greater shadow. If anything it looks more logical to be Barricade. -Guest 15:21, 6 March 2008.

==New image==
:''Image removed''
Opinions on using this image as the new main pic? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally, what I would like to see this Wiki do is put a section at the bottom of each page of the movie transformers that contains all other images of that character, including extra CGI renders. --Guest 20.55 23February 2008

==Automorph==
I put info on how to best automorph the voyager class figure. Hope it helps. --[[User:Paradox244|Paradox244]] 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Cyber Slammer==
I think the Cyber Slammers blackout thing is just an error on Hasbro's website's part, the page was up for a day with no pics or text, and I don't recall the toy being announced anywhere else. I'm removing it from the page 'til there's prooof it's gog to be made. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 03:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alt-mode Origin Contradiction==
It just occurred to me that there may not necessarily be a contradiction between Blackout getting his alt-form 3 years before the movie in the "Prime Directives," prequel comic, and the mention of how his serial number namesake got shot down in Afghanistan 3 months prior to the movie. He mentions in the comic that there "were no witnesses," in contrast to Blackout and Starscream. If this is true, then it's entirely possible that he scanned the vehicle without any humans noticing, and then both he and the helicopter he scanned went on their separate paths; Blackout doing the stuff he did in Prime Directives and the helicopter getting shot down in Afghanistan three months before the movie. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 08:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==EMP??==
Why is Blackout's initial attack called an EMP wave? If it was, every electrical circuit on the base should be rendered dead. This was clearly not the case since the computers were still on. It looks like just some kind of plain old shockwave to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Sabot at the base?==
Can we confirm it was a sabot round? I mean, for one, they didn't pull that trump card until later in the film. Two, Blackout didn't "react" the way every other Transformer (including himself) did when hit with Sabot: Namely, in pain. At the base, he merely "flinched".
tl;dr I think it was a simple grenade launcher. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 06:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:You're right, it was just a grenade round. On the DVD there appears to be, as the soldiers later relate, some kind of force field holding back the energy of the grenade. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout not dead? ==

In a recent video released by Bay himself, we see Prime clearly getting his ass kicked by Starscream, Megatron, and Blackout. Is this currently worth noting, or is someone going to suggest Blackout has a twin?
--[[Special:Contributions/75.181.157.99|75.181.157.99]] 07:24, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:He definitely is, anything else is speculation. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:28, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
::It's not really that odd...Megatron was dead and disposed of with Blackout, so presumably whatever resurrected Megatron also nabbed Blackout. Honestly, it should have been expected.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:27, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:He does have a twin of sorts, [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] is a Blackout repaint appearing in both the toyline and the video game. While there's absolutely no confirmation that Grindor's the character in the trailer, there's also no confirmation that it *isn't* him. This will all be easy enough to confirm once we've seen the movie and game and so on, but until then I don't think we can say with certainly that Blackout returns in the new film. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 15:02, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF status ==

So we have absolutely no idea if it's Blackout in Revenge of the Fallen? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:49, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:No idea at all. Apparently the Blackout-like 'Con in the film is never called by name, has no lines (and so isn't listed in the credits), and Megatron's the only one of the dead 'Cons from film 1 that the 'Cons (a) are seeking to bring back and (b) are shown to bring back. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:55, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is the same in the adaptations. Interestingly, there is a Blackout in the [[M&M's]] portion of the ROTF continuity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:02, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Blackout is dead ==

Transformers Revenge of the Fallen has been released in tokyo, and it has been confirmed that Blackout is dead. The Blackout-looking guy you see in the commercial is Grindor. [[User:Homey|Homey]] 17:05, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

 It seems that much of the decepticon army is made of duplicates, as induvidual constructicons appear at the same time as Devastator, and Demolisher is clearly dead by this point. Along with the the new helicopter guy, there is a decepticon with Bonecrushers alt mode shown breifly, though it doesn't transform.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:17, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Thelastallosar, please don't spam.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 19:01, 21 June 2009 (EDT)

== Crotch-shot? ==

Practically every article that does as much as remotely mention Blackout states he was shot in the crotch. I wouldn't even have that much of a problem with this if it wasn't an outright lie. It is quite clear in the movie that he was shot underneath his chest armor, hitting his spark. As Epps said "They're weakest underneath the chest", right before Lennox proceeded to slide under Blackout, allowing him to get his shots underneat the armor.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 18:29, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

I know I'm a bit late to the party but I think it's a rule of funny thing. Also, you see Blackout getting hit for about one or two seconds, one can be forgiven if they think that Blackout is getting hit in the crotch in the brief moment you have to see the explosions impact the behemoth.[[User:Tyrannolodon|Tyrannolodon]] 10:03, 27 May 2011 (EDT)

== Call of Duty; Modern Warfare 2 ==

In the game, there are two callsigns which shout out reference to Transformers. One is called "Blackout" and features a Pave Low. The other is called "Transformer", and also features a Pave Low. Should we add this to trvia?
-ThiAthEhn

:We generally don't add references to outside media. The "Will Plays with Transformers" clip was removed from the [[Razorbeast]] page for this reason.

== Cannon ==

I'm pretty suere I saw him fire the chest cannon, only for a split second, in Mission City ''once''.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:00, 6 January 2011 (EST)

==Blackout Third in Command of the Decepticons!==
We all know that Blackout is Megatron's third in command of the Decepticon's and Starscream is second but can anyone find the offical source were it says about Blackout been third in command of the Decepticons. [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 14:04, 2 July 2011 (EDT)
: We all know that Blackout is Megatron's third in command? I sure didn't, and nothing on this page suggests so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:16, 2 July 2011 (EDT)

==Dreamworks confirm Blackout in ROTF==
Just a quick notice I know it is old info but I was looking and Dreamworks have confirmed its Blackout that features in Revenge of the Fallen instead of Grindor despite Hasbro's claim, they also said that they didn't want to ruin the suprise of Blackout's return so they released a toy named Grindor to try and get fans to think that he was not in the movie. Here is the Link: http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=11440 {{unsigned|DOTM123}}
:Doesn't matter, Hasbro is the controlling party. Dreamworks may have been under the impression that they were using Blackout, but they were wrong. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:40, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::I really wish this myth would die. --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 16:46, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::If you read that article, it's all a bunch of nonsense anyway. The same poster claimed that there would be other jets under Starscream's command and went into a ridiculous amount of detail about where parts for Megatron's reconstruction came from. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:57, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:::That article also claims there would be a Blackout toy released further down the line and Grindor was just a red herring, but aside from one early wave Robot Heroes toy, there weren't any Blackouts. In fact, the only Blackout released since has been the DOTM Cyberverse toy. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:32, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
:There was no scene where Blackout was resurrected. If the filmmakers had intended for Grindor to be him, that would have seemed like a necessary first step. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:03, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Blackout vs Grindor ==

Given how this misunderstanding keeps popping back up despite the multiple items related to it in the Notes sections, should we perhaps call a little more attention to it? I was thinking of a section that details where each name is used, under what circumstances and by whom. It would go on to explain that fiction that uses either name is covered on the relevant page (I don't know if there even is any fiction that uses Blackout in an ROTF setting) but fiction that does not specify is assumed to be Grindor per Hasbro's statement. This is basically the approach I used when making the [[Airrazor#Gender|gender]] subsection of Airrazor's page. Any feedback would be welcome. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:08, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

==Blackout's hand weapon==
...is clearly his main rotor, despite the fact that he still has it on his back all the time. Compare:
[http://caps.pictures/200/7-transformers/full/transformers-movie-screencaps.com-15295.jpg Both rotors visible]
[http://img.bemil.chosun.com/nbrd/files/BEMIL085/upload/2006/04/000324-F-0308N-015-01.jpg Another view of the Pave Low's main rotor]
[https://farm1.static.flickr.com/555/31811963270_ea28ea59f1_b.jpg The completely different tail rotor for comparison]
-[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:44, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

== A joke I don't understand ==

I saw the "All your base are belong to us" thing here. I've seen it multiple times... What's the joke?
:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_your_base_are_belong_to_us --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:08, 9 July 2019 (EDT)
Thank you for granting me the ability to hysterically laugh when I see a caption that references that. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 22:39, 2 August 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Crowbar

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==Also==
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCrQ3ixSTNc|"That must have been like, at least fifty pounds of meat."] [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:10, 13 February 2011 (EST)
*I will give someone a slab of cyber-jerkey (jerkey for computers) if someone also thinks Crowbar is the missing link to the Dread/Crankcase twin group thingy.-[[User:Dinodigger97|Dinodigger97]] 4:53 25 April 2011

== The Lost Skeleton of Cadavra quotes ==

How is Crowbar related to it?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.72|120.28.64.72]] 20:31, 16 September 2011 (EDT)
:Kro-Bar. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 20:35, 16 September 2011 (EDT)

== Voice Actor ==

I'm confused. I remember before that it credited a person as Crowbar's voice actor, but that's no longer there. What's the deal? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 20:10, 29 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Crowbar

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Talk:Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)

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== TITLE ==

[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-3-title-revealed-the-dark-of-the-moon/19947/ Looks like we've got a title.]

--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:Can I just go on record that that is a crappy name? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:42, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with you, but it comes with many joke opportunities.
::I just.....haven't figured out what they are yet. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:53, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::All I can think of is the Alabama song "Fire In The Night". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:57, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Dark'' of the moon? Does that mean the movie is going to be just another one of those crappy conspiracy theories saying the US didn't get to the moon first? Does this mean this is hardly going to be a movie about Transformers? This seems pretty likely. Also, that name is just borderline teen novel. Hopefully they'll change everything at the last minute into something relatively better like they did before. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 09:59, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Here are some jokes we could use.
:::::"Dark Side of the Moon was taken."
:::::"Is it a Twilight crossover?"
:::::(Thank you Seibertron forum posters!) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:01, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I hadn't even thought about Twilight until Loki said teen novel. Now, I can't get the word "Vampformers" out of my head. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Does this mean the main pic has to be that shot of John Turturro's as from ROTF?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 10:22, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::No and shame on you for even thinking it. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 10:27, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::One thing I really like from the first 3 movies (86,07,09) wiki articles are the running joke used throughout. Star Wars, the 86 movie, and Empire Strikes Back. I would have thought we would use nothing but Return of the Jedi quotes here, but with this new title part of me thinks it would be great to use nothing but lyrics off the Dark Side of the Moon album. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:36, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::We picked Star Wars and Empire for their respective films because the TF creative teams in those years specifically compared their products to those films--it was us making a joke out of their marketing idea. Though having captions about ROTJ would obviously "complete the set," I'm kind of against us making jokes out of ''our own traditions'' instead of the traditions of the franchise creators. It would seem like we're just jerking off. So I'd actually prefer Pink Floyd too. Of course, given that there's still a year for someone at Paramount to make a comparison between the respective 3rd films, the point may be moot. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::Actually, using Pink Floyd quotes here would preserve and extend the pattern we have going. 1st Movie/Star Wars Universe quotes, 2nd Movie/Non-SW quotes, 3rd Movie/SW Universe quotes, 4th Movie/Non-SW quotes. Remember that 1st - 4th is in real world terms, ignoring the fact that the 1st movie was not part of the same universe as the current trilogy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:10, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::::Agreed. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:29, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Should we also put in a note that "dark of the moon" is real phrase and not completely made up? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 15:35, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

Ahem. IT WAS THE DARK OF THE MOON ON THE SIXTH OF JUNE WITH A KENWORTH HAULIN' LOGS/ CABOVER PETE WITH A REEFER ON AND A JIMMY HAULIN HOGS/ WE WAS HEADED FOR BEAR ON I-1-OH ABOUT A MILE OUTTA SHAKEY TOWN/ I SAID "PIG PEN THIS HERE'S THE RUBBER DUCK, WE'RE ABOUT TO PUT THE HAMMER DOWN." -hx at work, this is all the caption you need.
:ARGH! I can't believe I forgot that! I can just see the "bout to put the hammer down" part as an Optimus Prime caption ("Convoy", don't you know. :)). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:49, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
::I agree with this comment. Also, now we have a title, is it time to add it to the left-hand navigation menu? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:16, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Save it for the Japanese release info. "Ironically enough, not a great big Convoy rockin' through the night." [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
I don't see any Amazon listings anymore, but the [http://www.transformersmovie.com Transformers movie website] is called "Transformers: Dark of the Moon". (Don't look at the logo, look at the title of the website in the web browser.) Should we lose the "the"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:43, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:At the same time, the domain they registered is "transformersthedarkofthemoonmovie.com", which has the leading "The" in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::"transformersdarkofthemoonmovie.com" is also registered by the same party. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:03, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Why would they register it with the "The" if "The" isn't in the title? Whereas I can see why they'd also register it without, because people might accidentally leave it out when typing the url (and also for brand protection). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:57, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Similar reasons apply for registering the name with a superfluous "the". "The dark of the moon" is a preexisting term, people might easily insert it by mistake. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:08, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::IDK, the title of a web page just doesn't seem like enough to me to move the page. The titles on Amazon all had "The" in them, which might have been added mistakenly by whoever added them there, or might not have been. I suspect we should wait for some sort of official unveiling, because if we move the page now, we may well just be moving it back later. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:13, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::According to the teaser trailer, at least in Latin America, the international title of the movie is '''Transformers 3''' (THANK GOD). Should we put it on the article?-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 03:28, 1 January 2011 (EST)
:::::::Are you sure it's the international title, or is it just the title in your area? Either way, it could be added somewhere in there I'm sure. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:15, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Scratch that, the new trailer calls the movie "El lado oscuro de la Luna" (Dark side of the moon), at least the movie looks awesome.-[[User:ACIDSTORM92|ACIDSTORM92]] 19:23, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Uh, Walky.... ==

How does "www.transformersdarksideofthemoon.com." confirm that "The Dark of the Moon" is the title? Or did you put in the "side" in that URL by mistake? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:56, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
: Yeah. Mistake. Durrr. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:02, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Fixed. I expect this slip-up to happen only 30,000 more times. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:03, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mainly I was asking on the off chance that the other things we've found had accidentally left out the "side". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:07, 6 October 2010 (EDT)

== Accident ==

Does last month's stunt accident where an extra got critically injured belong on this page, and if yes, where?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:I thought the top of this page said that the wiki does not care about news on the set. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 14:46, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::This is '''obviously''' not the kind of news the top of the page is talking about. Yes, the accident and lawsuit should be addressed on the page for the movie. Where, I dunno. Probably its own section. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Maybe "Production", if it ever gets made. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:30, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I thought we usually didn't do production sections though? What if it was placed in it's own section down at the bottom with the notes and trivia and such. [[User:The Autobot Hero|Hero]] 00:20, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Disambig? ==

What are we going to use as the disambiguation suffix for this movie? I used (TDOTM) for the Carly artilce I created, but I could see just (DOTM) instead, or perhaps something from out of left field -- [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 23:04, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
:(TDOTM) would be the most consistent. But (TF3) would be cool. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:22, 7 October 2010 (EDT)
::The only other franchise I can find with an initial "the" is [[The Headmasters]], which has the disambiguation suffix (Headmasters). Going by that, I would say (DOTM). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:20, 8 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Considering Hasbro applied for the trademark "Dark of the Moon" without "the", I'm favoring (DOTM) too.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:05, 13 October 2010 (EDT)
::::(TDOTM) is a horrible disambig. I prefer (DOTM). --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:11, 13 October 2010 (EDT)

== The Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot and Rosenbaurer as Inferno ==

November-21=Michael Bay confirms the Superfund Armored Truck as Sixshot.
:Hi. Cite a source. Sign your posts. Thank you. Goodbye. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:22, 21 November 2010 (EST)

== Should we add Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin? ==

Well, should we?

-ThiAthEhn
: And [[Walter Cronkite]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:56, 10 December 2010 (EST)

::Well, the question is, will they actually be ''in'' the film? This teaser feels very much like the teaser for the first movie, in that we may see only a little, or possibly even none, of the actual content of it in the film. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:57, 10 December 2010 (EST)

:::And we don't know if (though unlikely) they are main cast. And save their page for another day. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:00, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::I dunno, I think all promotional stuff still counts as "fiction" under our mandate. While they shouldn't be on the main cast list, I wouldn't be opposed to making articles on them and making some mention of them on the article. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:16, 10 December 2010 (EST)
:::::And in any case, we already have a [[Neil Armstrong]] page, per [[Transformers: Ghosts of Yesterday| Ghosts of Yesterday]]. So I'll ask my question here: how much do we want to put into that article? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:42, 10 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm tired of seeing useless perpetually incomplete pages for trivial as fuck foil characters that usually were only ''mentioned'' in the movie or even movie novelization in question and have no real story signifigance at all. I respectfully say nay to more character pages like this and I would recommend deleting such pages that are already created, such as the Mohammud page. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Then that's really too friggin' bad, because ''that's what this wiki is for.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:28, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::You really want your wiki to go to hell, to run rampant with the constant mindless page creations of anonymous IP adresses? You made one of the qualifications to delete a page "We are not a dictonary," but now you want to contradict yourself. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:32, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Uh, we've been making pages like this since the very beginning of the wiki back in 2006. At no point has this site ever succumbed to your insane scenario. So pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:36, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::What you said officially makes it okay to make pages like the pages made by anons from the start, so now you have put yourself in the situation where now a whole lot of anons who look around without editing will get that idea and tell all their friends about it and soon you have too many pages for Detour to put the speedy template on. Sure, in the past this has never happened, but now there is the possibility. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:39, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::Now that we're going to continue doing the exact same thing we've been doing for the past four years, suddenly it's all going to be different now and ruin us. Got it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:41, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::It's not that you've been doing the same thing all along, it's now you've said that doing what has been described now is alright and acceptable, and you seem to be ignoring/avoiding that. Besides, of course the consequences are not going to affect you immediately, so you shouldn't just assume that if the ramifications aren't immediate then there aren't any at all. Your 16-year-old level of sarcasm and quickness to attempt to avoid a situation is what makes people not like you. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:47, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::I'm not ignoring anything, because I shouldn't have to distinguish for you the differences between making a page for a guy featured heavily in a trailer for a blockbuster Transformers film and between making a page for "floor." The difference seems to be obvious to everyone else. Do you have any other recourse to people disagreeing with you that isn't calling them an X-year-old? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:58, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::::::The reason I used the X-year-old argument is because that is what I usually only see here that warrants a recourse from me, what with the "Um, yes it does" and "pardon me if my eyes roll so hard they pop out of my skull" statements. I understand now that you have from the start always had a staff that can make the distinction between what is too little information and what isn't and make decisions based on that. I don't think that most people know what "too little information" is (including myself), so maybe that could be something you could put into the FAQ of the wiki for anons that want to be good editors but aren't and so people like me don't go anally retentive apeshit and get in heated arguments with the wiki's administrator. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 12:10, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::::When the sole basis of your argument is "tons of anons will make bad pages", it's kind of hard to do anything but roll one's eyes at it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:14, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::::Anons will make useless pages regardless of policies. I truly doubt making a page about Buzz Aldrin is suddenly going to open the floodgates for pages about grass, the birds, the bees, the peanut butter jelly time banana and Zartan's male pattern baldness. Your apocalypse scenario is ridiculous to say the least. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:01, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::They exist in the Transformers universe. Why shouldn't we have pages for them? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:17, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Saying something like, "What would Jesus do?" is not making them in-universe. Besides, the pages always stay shitty and are just bytes of worthless space-taking crap. What if the wiki made a whole page for every single obscure character that happened to be seen in a passing glance of the camera? The whole wiki would be have millions of pages of crap that nobody cares about. Besides, if somebody wanted to read about Buzz aldrin, they could just go to wikipedia. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:21, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Um, yes it does. If someone mentions Jesus in Transformers, that means that Jesus is in the Transformers universe? That'd be like if there was a standalone story where someone mentions how Bumblebee is a great scout, but Bumblebee doesn't appear otherwise. Does that mean Bumblebee doesn't exist? And there's a difference between making an article for someone who has no name, personality, or role, and making an article for someone who has a name and has a role hinted at. (We wouldn't make an article for a generic with no dialogue who's just there in the background, but we WOULD make an article for Bumblebee since he was named and we know that he's a scout.) And what if someone was curious about what Buzz Aldrin did in the Transformers world? Wikipedia wouldn't have that. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:24, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know very fucking well what I am talking about, don't act like a ten-year-old. I do not mean that important characters fiction wise (as in appearing in more than one piece of fiction in one universe) shouldn't have pages, they do have pages that account what they are important in. I mean not have pages about characters like the [[Muhammad]] or [[Jesus]] page that have no significance whatsoever in any piece of fiction. If they were more important in another piece of fiction, then they could have pages. What I want is quality control that isn't headed by ten-year-olds or anal people. --[[User:LokitheGrammarNazi|LokitheGrammarNazi]] 11:29, 14 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::::But they do have significance. A character mentions them and gives some details. Small significance, but they exist. When I said "standalone", I was referring to a whole new universe, where we don't know if Bumblebee exists or not. Then, someone confirms he exists, so we make a page for him. How am I acting like a ten-year-old?
:::::::::::(I WILL admit there's a line. Remember "History vid Megatron", anyone?) --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:34, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I think someone needs a timeout. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:02, 14 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::::I remember "history vid Megatron"! According to a history video in Animated, he was a Decepticon during Animated's Great War. He looked like he commanded at least a platoon or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:19, 14 December 2010 (EST)

== Astronomical/Apollo Errors in Trailer/Movie ==

The trailer seems to suggest that, after it landed, Apollo 11 passed around to the dark side of the moon, or out of radio range, or something. This is, of course, nonsense, since the moon doesn't rotate with respect to Earth. If the trailer counts as canon, do we want to start an errors section for this? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:59, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:I think it is canon. That was strange. That looked like a real clip from Walter Cronkite, but maybe it was spliced together from different reports. Or maybe it was actually from before the landing when they were still in orbit. They sort of undercut the impact of the radio silence bit when mission control was still able to communicate with them. Maybe it was Sector 7 technology? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:19, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:: My reading of the trailer was that the astronauts WALKED to the far side of the moon once the feed was cut, explored, and then returned all within 21 minutes. Which is just as ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:24, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::You could be right. I was thrown off by one image where they were right next to the lander when they were "dark on the rock". That was probably out of sequence. Then again, being a movie trailer, the whole thing may be various images and dialog thrown together without regard to sequence. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:34, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::But ''did'' they go to the dark side? I took "dark on the rock" to mean that communications were nil, that they were "in the dark", as it were. A figurative phrase, not literal. After all - you can SEE the Earth in the sky behind the spaceship! That couldn't be the dark side! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:02, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Cronkite says "We now have had confirmation of loss of signal from Apollo 11. Apollo 11 is on the far side of the moon". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:07, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::"Apollo 11" is the name of the mission, which involved the Columbia rocketship and the Lunar module that landed. The Columbia was in lunar orbit while Buzz and Neil were on the surface of the planet. The Columbia part of Apollo 11 definitely could have been on the far side of the moon, unless it, was, like, circling the exact circumference of the moon that we can see from Earth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:13, 13 December 2010 (EST)
:::::Mind, the actual "dark side of the moon" where the Autobot spaceship had crashed sure had a lot of friggin' light about and plenty of crisp shadows. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I tried to find out if the lander bounced signals off the ''Columbia'' but my Google skills failed me. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:18, 13 December 2010 (EST)
::::::I'm pretty sure the whole "Dark of the Moon", "dark on the rock" thing is figurative, to both describe the mystery on the Moon and NASA's real reason for traveling there, rather than literally "the ''Ark'' crashed on the dark side of the moon, and the dark side of the moon is a short walk from Tranquility Base." [http://science.howstuffworks.com/lunar-landing2.htm This article] suggests that ''Columbia'' served as the communications link between ''Eagle'' and Earth. Wish I could find a better article or source, but my google-fu is not great. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:50, 22 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::Even taking that as figurative, the trailer shows the Earth close to the horizon, when it should be nearly directly overhead. It also appears to move between shots only a short time apart. [[User:JW|JW]] 06:55, 22 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::Yea, it doesn't look like an actual error, except the movie makers wanted the Earth in every shot (I don't blame them). But the trailer doesn't make it clear that the ''Columbia'' is a communications link or anything like that so it is confusing. If it wasn't on the far side of the Moon, I don't see how they could have kept it secret. Anyone with a big enough telescope would be able to see it, I would think. At least observatories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:19, 22 December 2010 (EST)
The term "Dark side of the moon" was a misnomer even before Transformers got hold of it. The dark side of the moon refers to the side of the moon that always faces away from Earth. But it gets just as much sunlight as the near side. It should rightly be called the FAR side of the moon.[[Special:Contributions/180.176.116.4|180.176.116.4]] 23:45, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

It has been noted that on the way to the MOON in the historical intro to the movie Apollo is seen without the Lunar Excursion Module. But what has not been noted is that when the Transformers in present day land next to the crashed Transformers craft, that the return module of the Lunar Excursion Module is still there 41 years after Neil and Buzz used it to return to the Earth. {{unsigned|121.45.204.195|05:15, 28 September 2011 (EDT)}}
:That's mentioned in the sixth note in that section. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:40, 28 September 2011 (EDT)

== MEGATRON IN DARK OF THE MOON ==
I have been looking around the internet about Transformers 3, and everywhere says that Megatron is returning for Transformers 3 as a Mack Titan Tanker Truck, I know that Michael Bay hasen't released any news yet on any Decepticons apart from Shockwave, but if Hasbro didn't release the pictures of the Megatron tanker truck toy, how the hell did they get on the internet, even Leader Class Ironhide pictures are around. Does anyone think that megatron should be added to the Decepticons?
Thanks Plo Koon 1
:It's most likely a stolen prototype from a factory, and NO, Megatron '''will not be added until Hasbro or Michael Bay or some other official source says he's in'''. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:42, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Kindly go away and never return. This is all you do, come here once a movie is in production and either add stolen info, or rant on talk pages about how we should add stolen info, and frankly I am sick of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:13, 27 December 2010 (EST)
::Why don't you go look up some more information and get adding to the page instead of waiting for Michael Bay's and Hasbro's precious information. {{unsigned|Plo Koon 1}}
:::Because we only use OFFICIAL information. If it doesn't come from Hasbro, Bay or another official source, it ISN'T information as far as we are concerned.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:45, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:::Yeah, that's a great idea, let's post every single thing anonymous people post on Wikipedia, that's the best way to do research. Or post about stolen toys, thieves are always the best source of info. And then we'll have to take it down, because it turns out to be wrong. Or get crap from Hasbro, because it's stolen. That'll work out great. This Wiki is interested in getting things ''right'', not ''first''. The policy and the reasons for it have been explained quite clearly. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:53, 27 December 2010 (EST)

== Ashton Kutcher ==

Just noticed, along with Ben Kingsley theres a spoof of the Heidi Montag audition by Ashton Kutcher. I can't put a link in though, as i have no idea how to.[[User:Burnout|Burnout]] 11:40, 20 January 2011 (EST)Burnout

Just paste it!—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 13:05, 23 January 2011 (EST)

== THE FIRST offical Images for DOTM Toys ==
Are these Officals right? http://www.asmzine.com/geekly-rewind/2011/01/28/toy-fair-uk-images-of-starscream-and-ironhide/ If so then its time to add these pics to Starscream and Ironhide Pages and make the DOTM Toyline Page well that its if anybody here considers these officals—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 28 January 2011 (EST)
:Well, the article ''claims'' the pics are from Hasbro, but we better hold off until we're sure (as well as hold off on creating any 'MechTech' articles) - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:41, 28 January 2011 (EST)
::ASM would be the last site in the world to lie about that. They're official, and they were delivered to most every Transformers website. I wouldn't be surprised if we got them too, but I'm not [[User:Monzo|Monzo]], so I couldn't tell you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:48, 28 January 2011 (EST)
:::Yes, we received the images from Hasbro as well. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:23, 29 January 2011 (EST)
::::Thank You, Jesus, we finally got toy pics that aren't stolen prototypes! :D - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:19, 29 January 2011 (EST)

== Ratchet and Ironhide ==
i think we should add ratchet and Ironhide in the cast and character list sicne the 2 were in the trailer and the trailer like an Offical Source—[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]]

== Laserbeak (?) ==

A bird-robot was also in the trailer.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 19:51, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:Looked more dragon-y than bird-y to me. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:03, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::Either way, the wiki isn't much of a place for speculation so whoever it is is moot until we get an official toy listing or promotional render. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:07, 9 February 2011 (EST)
:::Indeed, Detour. It could be Laserbeak, or Buzzsaw, or something new. Could it be Laserbeak? Most likely, yes. However, like Detour said, TFwiki.net doesn't deal with "most likely". Be patient, folks; we'll find out soon enough (the movie will be out in five months and we might find out officially before then). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:40, 9 February 2011 (EST)
::::Whatever. If the toy we've seen resembling it is the same character, it must have two modes: condor mode and dragon mode. - [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:35, 13 March 2011 (EST)

The same character (or an identical one) in the game is confirmed as Laserbeak. Is that sufficient enough to list him as a film character?
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:58 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:Confirmed where? By whom? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:45, 27 March 2011 (EDT)
::Well, it WAS on the page for the DOTM game, but it isn't anymore, so I'm guessing that was incorrect.
::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 5:04 PM, 27 March 2011 A.D.
:::I removed it from there as there was no source listed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:10, 27 March 2011 (EDT)

== New guys? ==

Just a question. From the Superbowl trailer you can see that there are some "already dead" guys. I mean Barricade°(here it isnt really certain), Long Haul and (desert) Brawl. Should these be added into the list of appeared characters, since they were'''officially revealed''' via trailer? --[[Special:Contributions/194.228.147.9|194.228.147.9]] 21:12, 11 February 2011 (EST)
:No. Just because they look like the old characters doesn't mean they are. More there's no reason to list nameless characters we know nothing about. Be patient. Plenty of time after the movie is out. We're in no rush.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:19, 11 February 2011 (EST)
::(That was not Barricade, but Sideways. Well, *a* Sideways.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:You recognized Long Haul and Brawl? You mean like how [[Grindor (ROTF)|we recognized Blackout in ROTF?]] --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:04, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: Because of Hasbro's action figures, we knew that there was a Blackout lookalike named "Grindor" from the start. Until Hasbro reveals some alternate names for these guys, I think we can feel safe keeping them under the umbrella of their known names, like we did and do with ROTF's Constructicons. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:22, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: Long Haul and Brawl ''do'' have same-body-type buddies from the toyline--Payload and Tankor respectively. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 12:33, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:::: Yes, but all of the green Long Hauls are accounted for on Long Haul's page. This is just another green Long Haul, and we should treat it as such until we know differently. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:42, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== Crankcase, Ratchet, etc ==

Dudes, if we have a trailer and a Toy Fair, and we see vehicle modes that we know belong to movie characters, and we see those vehicle modes that belong to movie characters ''transform into the robot modes of said movie characters'' I really think we need to get beyond the "we pretend we don't know anything" schtick. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:59, 20 February 2011 (EST)
: Also, the whole "what if this is not the real Crankcase and the real Crankcase is elsewhere" is an argument that ''predicates'' on the idea that the "real" Crankcase is in the film. And if there IS no "real" Crankcase in the film, then this "generic" BECOMES the "real" Crankcase. Either way, he's in the damn film. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:07, 20 February 2011 (EST)
:: FurtherFURTHERmore, the fact that the counterargument has gone from "it's just an SUV" to "it's just a robot" to "it's just a robot mode that looks like Crankcase's" as this goes on just feels like this is a counterargument based not on facts but on obstinate reluctance. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:12, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: And to put a final nail in the coffin, there were several [[Long Haul (ROTF)|Long Haul]]s in ''Revenge of the Fallen'', but they were all accounted for on Long Haul's page as Long Haul. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 20 February 2011 (EST)
::: I think if this passes based on this argument, then everyone in charge of this site better remember this when others are putting up information using the same reasoning. [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 15:23, 20 February 2011 (EST)

== New Chevy Beat/Spark 'Bots (?) ==

Nelson said that a Chevy Spark spotted on set was not Skids, but a ''new'' character.--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 20:11, 25 February 2011 (EST)
:We'll get to it when '''''official information comes out'''''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:30, 25 February 2011 (EST)
::So, Nelson isn't a trustable source?--[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:19, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::There's literally not enough information to do anything with. What do you want, a page for ''Unnamed Chevy Spark character who might just be one of the Twins, we aren't sure yet''? - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 17:46, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Those Sparks were seen in trailer, but I still don't believe non-appearance of the Twins being misinformation. Characters were said to be cut off from the film, but the vehicles not. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 9:24, 2 May 2011 (EST)
:::::If their vehicles appear, the characters are in the film. Please don't revert again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:31, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::CAJH, considering how much Bay lied about Megatron not coming back in ROTF, and his (and Nelson's) claims about the Twins not coming back in DOTM (despite all evidence to the contrary), we're better off including them based upon what we can actually see rather than they tell us. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:33, 2 May 2011 (EDT)

== Is Mirage really in DOTM??? ==

I saw that Mirage was added to the cast list (as of 11:09 pm EST on April 8th, 2011). Besides the Speed Star toy of Mirage, is there any actual evidence that the red Ferrari in DOTM is Mirage? I think the addition is a bit premature (I was about to undo the addition, but I thought I would play it safe). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:13, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:We're not exactly sure yet, so leaving him off for now is probably for the best. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:28, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

==Brains==

Some believe that Brains might become the Einstein-Mercedes-bot, but I don't think so. Bay confirmed Brains being small in film too. What would you think that Einstein-bot be, if he's not Brains? --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 12:53, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:More than likely just an early head design for Wheeljack. But we'll know for sure when the movie's out or more promotional renders are revealed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:00, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:: Brains is in the "Rising Storm" comic prequel. He's a tiny hatchling guy that Bumblebee and Sam escort. Wheeljack is a separate dude who looks like Wheeljack. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:23, 18 April 2011 (EDT)
:::And if Wheeljack ever is that Mercedes-bot, it's very understandable that he would be different in film. Shockwave and Sentinel were too different in comic adaptations. And do not forget Mirage, though it's not officially confirmed, if he is the Ferrari-bot or not. And Brains we'll see in film looks definitely different than Brains we saw in comics.--[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 14:28, 19 April 2011 (EDT)

== Darkside Moon ==

I am a fan of these two titles because they have that "crazy" factor to them. That said...

I notice there's exactly one dot in those there katakana. I don't suppose it's actually "Darkside Moon", eh? You see "Darkside" here and there, really. [[Special:Contributions/174.111.86.22|174.111.86.22]] 09:53, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:Maybe. could be. Anyone else think it should be changed to "Darkside Moon" as opposed to the "Dark Side Moon" title that I originally wrote? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Trailer ==

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-trailer-172021/ It also seems that Simmons lost a leg, and there are many Crankcases--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 19:46, 28 April 2011 (EDT)
:I think he broke his leg, but anyway people can see the video for themselves so we don't need to mention stuff in it here. If you want to discuss the content of the video, you should take it to a forum. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:48, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Washington Post thing ==

That video is from 2010. Why did you date it April 30, 2011? Also, it's probably too plot point spoilery for us to use. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:36, 30 April 2011 (EDT)

== Avon sweepstakes ==

Looks like Avon's having a contest to meet Patrick Dempsey at the premier of DotM. Link [http://www.avon.com/PatrickDempsey here]. Worth mentioning on the page? (Started last week if you want to add this to the timeline) -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 09:13, 3 May 2011 (EDT)
:I personally don't think it should be added to the ''film'' article of the DOTM franchise, but this is unique in that Avon is having this contest without (as far as I know) having any merchandise tie-ins. Perhaps it could be noted on the main DOTM franchise article page as well as on the Patrick Demsey article. Either way, this is note-worthy. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:28, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hatchet is he,in the film? ==

Is it just me or should we add him because somebody add the "more info will pop up in July,1,2011" box-thing,just sayin' - [[User:Dinodigger97|Dinodigger97]],May-4-2011
:If you mean Ratchet, he is already in the cast list. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:33, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, there's a new Decepticon named [[Hatchet (DOTM)|Hatchet]], so I think that's who he meant. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:05, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
:::D'oh! Sorry, hard to keep up with all these new dudes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 4 May 2011 (EDT)
::::To answer your question Dinodigger97, no, we don't know. I'm not sure why Hatchet's article has a fiction section already, as there has been no indication that he is in the movie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:34, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Amazon comic spoilers ==

Could we please not get all excited about the spoiled comic adaptation pages on Amazon and rush off to the wiki? I think CAJH even cited Alientraveller's edits with a flickr account (with, I presume, pages of the comic). I wasn't about to spoil myself to look, so I just reverted everything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:33, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:For that matter, the comic adaptations of the movie are usually done from earlier versions of the script, and aren't guaranteed to reflect the movie itself. If we ''must'' document every little nugget, those spoilers would more properly go on the comic adaptation's page.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:42, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry guys, I concur as Amazon.com has apparently removed those pages (and TFW followed suit). Just a shame I still can't find a source to confirm the name of Shockwave's pet, or Dempsey's character for this page. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:45, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::... did you just mention a spoiler? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:22, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::Maybe the comic adaptation has little differences with the film. But some elements like rest of the characters can't be different. But ok then. Let's wait at least until the release date. --[[User:CAJH|CAJH]] 19:43, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::Why couldn't the characters be different? Characters might appear in fight scenes in the comic with names and personalities yet be represented in the film only by an indistinguishable mass of duplicates of someone else. Thus, the [[Dread (DOTM)|Dreads]] in the movie might all be [[Crankcase (DOTM)|Crankcase]] doppelgangers but [[Hatchet (DOTM)|Hatchet]] might appear in the comic. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:57, 5 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::Anyway, my main point for the revert was that the pages of the comics were apparently chock full of spoilers that were not supposed to be revealed yet (hence sites like TFW having to remove their news post). And even if Hasbro/Bay/Paramount didn't care (except they do), the wiki has a policy of avoiding overt spoilers for fiction until the release date. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:12, 5 May 2011 (EDT)

== Dreads ==

Not trying to start a discussion with anybody, just pointing out: We already saw that there's a Black Dodge Charger, who's NOT Barricade, also we've seen that Hatchet is a Dread, and he has three other chances of appearing --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 14:19, 11 May 2011 (EDT)
:What? Seen what? Why are you pointing this out here? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:34, 14 May 2011 (EDT)
::If you have something against this post, I have no problem in erasing it --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 18:06, 22 May 2011 (EDT)

== Just wondering... ==

The 2007 TF film article used quotes from the 1986 movie, should I replace those with one of the prequels of Star Wars. (or, to be more specific, Episode 3: Revenge of the Sith) --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:27, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: Do not alter the captions on the 2007 film article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:29, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Or maybe other stuff from Ep 4. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:30, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

At Walky: OK, I ''will'' [Not alter the quotes].

But still, quite stupid to quote the 1986 movie. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 16:34, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
: I've got an idea. Call our efforts stupid one more time and you can have a quite stupid ban. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== June 28 release? ==

I followed the link given for the release date, and that dateline site says it's coming out June 2'''9''', not 28. Is there something somewhere that suggests it's coming out on Tuesday instead? [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 18:02, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

== Capone's AICN Review ==
Any thoughts regarding the first review of the movie?[[User:Ryantherebel|Ryantherebel]] 16:02, 23 May 2011 (EDT)
-I think the review said the twins are in there, is it a reliable source to put in the confirmed?? (how do I sign posts?)
:Regardless, the director of the film is a much more reliable source. And you sign your posts by typing "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". (You may wish to review the [[Help:Contents|Help pages]].)
::-[[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]]

== Foreign names ==
Serbian name for Dark of the Moon is: Transformers 3: Dark of the Moon, the only one with the "accurate" translation yet. Put it on the page in the Foreign names.[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 12:57, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:That's the translation, but what is it in actual Serbian?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:29, 1 June 2011 (EDT)
:Transformers 3: Tama Meseca--[[User:DarkCon|DarkCon]] 20:04, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

== Mirage ==
Should the whole mirage is not the ferrari be on this article? [[Special:Contributions/68.197.232.80|68.197.232.80]] 15:48, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

== Renaming Wheeljack and Mirage ==
now we know the names they will use the film, should we add some info of the change on theri pages or Rename their Pages?
:If by "know", you mean "the same guy we didn't believe when he said it the first time just kept saying it", sure. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:12, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::These sound like nicknames given to them by crew members who don't know the real names and don't really care. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:47, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Okay. but if the name changes turns out to be true Are you guys going to Consider them Seperate Characters Or you are Still Going to consider them the Same bots, depsite the Name change (like you guys did with Simmons Parents Pages)
::::See [[Brawl (Movie)|Brawl, also known as Devastator]]. And we eventually merged the Simmonses. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:07, 12 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::that means yes :P

== Barricade ==
[http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/dotm20barricade.jpg] Confirmation that he is in the film?
Hope so -[[User:Kaine852|Kaine852]] 05:41, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:This time around, I'd say yes! - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:15 AM, 17 June 2011 A.D.
::Considering the reused character models which happened both last movie (Grindor, the new Buffalo MPV 'Con) and in this movie (Sideways), I really wouldn't jump the gun so quickly on this. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:53, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Ah, fair point. Yet those were instances of characters who had both died previously. Barricade has clearly been shown [[Alliance issue 1|to]] [[Transformers Comic issue 2.1|be]] [[The Veiled Threat|still]] [[Tales of the Fallen issue 1|alive]]. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 11:44, 17 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm not saying it's 100% totally not him, I'm saying they've reused character models in the past, so don't jump the gun and let's wait and see. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:47, 17 June 2011 (EDT)

== Carly ==
Discussion moved to [[Talk:Carly Spencer|Carly's talkpage]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:16, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

== Superfund Armored Truck ==

So we still don't know the identity of the Superfund Armored Truck, Michael Bay, you're doing a great job -_- --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 09:27, 25 June 2011 (EDT)

== Twins, Dino and Que ==
one guy in the tfw2005 site who saw the film says the twins appear for one Single scene in the film, the scene where they are seen in the trailer entering the NEST hangar, does this means they are TRULY in the film but for one scene link [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers.html#post6254202], Plus this guy confirmed WHeelajck and Dino are truly named Dino and Que[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/423302-autocons-dotm-q-thread-spoilers-3.html#post6254472] {{unsigned|Eagc7}}
:At this point it's less than a day until the movie's out. There's not really much hurry to add new information when everyone will be able to see it, and the whole article will be restructured anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:34, 28 June 2011 (EDT)
:: Skids and Mudflap are in the film and should be listed as such. Bay only ever said that they don't PERFORM in the movie, which is true. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
McFeely coming down on the side of "Que" (god, I hate typing that) makes me question whether I'm the one who's wrong about "Q" being in the credits. Does anyone at all have my back on this independently? -[[User:LV|LV]] 10:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
:Walky says he rewatched it and it's definitely "Que" in the credits. So against what I went on the rampage with earlier, these pages need to be changed back to the worst name in Transformers history. Sigh. (Yes, even worse than Rodimus Prime.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 08:39, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
::Oh lord... I'd been told it was "Q" in the credits, which is why I'd changed the latest additions... Eugh. I guess they didn't want to make the James Bond similarities ''too'' blatant, but still, eugh. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:50, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

== Silverbolt ==

So...he's just simply out of the movie and no James Avery in the end? --[[User:Jolt17|Jolt17]] 11:01, 29 June 2011

:Seem so. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

Tons of people mistook Dino's vehicle mode for Silverbolt [[User:Blurrzicon|Blurrzicon]]

== It's Out ==

So when somebody takes a break from watching the best movie over and over again can you please add the info to it.

==Long Haul and Brawl in Dark of the Moon==
I haven't seen the movie yet but when the Super Bowl trailer was released Decepticons resembling Long Haul and Brawl were spotted, do they appear in the final film as I haven't seen it yet? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 12:08, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
: Brawl was replaced by Long Haul, if I recall correctly. This is going by trailer footage, though. The tan Brawl wasn't in the later ones, with Long Haul replacing him in the wide shot so that it better matched who Prime was rampaging through in the closeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:37, 30 June 2011 (EDT)
::On the subject of background 'Cons, I think I recall seeing one in Chicago with massive forearms that it walked on... Am I imagining things, and if not, was it a new model? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]]

Here's what I'mma say on the subject of these generics.
*Brawl and Sideways - they're dead. Can't be them.
*Long Haul and Scrapper - Constructicons share body types. There are multiple iterations of each, and the DOTM appearance of these two should just be on the existing pages. Frankly, I've thought for a while the Constructicon pages could stand a bit of reworking to be about the body-types, rather than the individuals where applicable.
*Scalpel - he didn't die in ROTF. Sure, he died in the comic adaptation, but then, Barricade died in the TF1 adaptation, and Dino died instead of Que in the DOTM adaptation. So there's no saying with ''any'' certainty that Scalpel is dead, and one of those little guys could absolutely be him. He's turned up alive in Titan's post-ROTF fiction. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:47, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:About bodytypes vs individuals: I've said that same thing about Swindle, Longarm, Dreadwing and co. from the first movie for a while but it seems to go unnoticed... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:05, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==GI Joe/Transformers reference?==
So, I just got back from seeing it, and all I'm wondering: Sam's actions against Starscream, would they fall under the Transformers References section as references to Snake-Eyes own actions against Starscream in [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|GI Joe vs. the Transformers #5]]? Unlike a lot of other things people ask are references, this seems pretty blatant. [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 05:46, 1 July 2011 (EDT)
:Psht, you're silly. (I really wish this was an intentional reference, but all things considered, I really doubt those who worked on the script and shooting have read that story. Could be a ref, but not confirmed.) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 18:26, 1 July 2011 (EDT)

==Obscure Hard-To-See Decepticons==
I've heard around that throughout the movie, a number of Decepticons are shown with vehicle modes and all, not just drones. For example, there's a 'Con that turns into a military Stryker with a robot-mode that looks like the Cloverfield monster, a random polic car (not Barricade, all white) and one that turns into a garbage truck, but it's robot looks like Long Haul. Did anyone else catch these Cannonfodder/Deadguy Decepticons? If so, do you have any pictures?

== Silverbolt ==

Am I the only one who saw what might be Silverbolt lurking in the background when the Autobots are being exiled? --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 05:21, 3 July 2011 (EDT)
:In all likelihood, yes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:04, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
i think you mistaken silverbolt for [[Topspin (DOTM)]]

== Skids and Mudflap in the cast list? ==

I don't think the Twins belong in the cast list. They were deliberately dropped from the film, their one appearance basically an oversight. They effectively weren't there at all, in-story. That you can see them briefly should be noted, of course, but not in a "Main Cast" list. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:52, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I feel every named Autobot or Decepticon who appears should be in the cast list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:57, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
Then shouldn't all humans who appear should be in the cast of the page?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.73|120.28.64.73]] 21:48, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== The Wreckers a Star Trek refrence? ==
Do you think it sould be noted that the Wreckers being engineers with scottish accents is similiar to Scotty, the scottish engineer from the Starship Enterprise? May even be delibirate, considering the other amount of Star Trek refrences in this movie. --[[User:Captain-lelouch|Captain-lelouch]] 1:02, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Eight Autobots aboard the Xantium ==

Re: ''When the Autobots are boarding the Xantium, it's said that eight of them are leaving. Even assuming Wheelie and Brains don't count, that number is at least one too small. '' 
The line I heard was "Do you really think exiling nine Autobots is going to stop the Decepticons?". Or something along those lines. Either way, I clearly heard "nine." Where does "eight" come from? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 16:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
: I remember it as nine as well, which accounts for everyone other than Wheelie and Brains. (Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Dino, Q, and the three Wreckers). --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:15, 5 July 2011 (EDT)
::They definitely said nine. --Walky not logged in
:::I must be remembering it wrong. Mea culpa. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:08, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Bonecrusher ==

I think I saw a Bonecrusher-type Decepticon during the film because the character has a "Mine-sweeping arm". Is there anyone who rewatch the film can confirm whether there is such a character or not? Thanks. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:55, 5 July 2011 (EDT)

== Sentinel Error ==

[[Special:Contributions/180.191.75.154|180.191.75.154]] 05:59, 6 July 2011 (EDT)I believe that the error is Sentinel already speaking english just after his awakening.

Also, he is already disguised as the Rosenbauer fire truck on the Ark and before he is resurrected. [[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 03:24, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

:He is? I thought he appeared solely in robot mode in those scenes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:32, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
::Yeah, I didn't mean that he appears as the firetruck, just that you can see all the truck kibble parts on his armor (front windshields are the most obvious)[[Special:Contributions/24.7.13.69|24.7.13.69]] 01:19, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:He may be in robot mode but he does have the kibble of his Earth Mode so I think that would count as an error. [[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 11:03, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
sooo...can we get back to my question in which Sentinel can already speak english?[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 08:59, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:As a rule, "has altmode kibble before acquiring altmode" '''is''' something we comment on, but "can speak English with no explanation" is '''not''' (it happens in many, many, many places). [[User:JW|JW]] 10:07, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::I'm adding it as an error.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 18:35, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:: This actually isn't an error. While his apperance looks alot like he has his firetruck mode, he actually doesn't. He has many markings and small changes among them, a firehose nossle on his right arm, a rescue vehicle marking on his right shoulder and a Rosenbauer emblem on his left, having part of the 316 on his inner thighs, and having 07 on his knee caps, that aren't on him during his scenes, on the moon and the NEST base. He first has them during his drive with Optimus (when he has that mode). Therefore his appearance before that is simply kibble from whatever mode he had on Cybertron. Some one might want to note this somewhere.

== Note on top (leaks, set photos) ==

Now that the movie is out, this one can go, no? Set photos can now be used as evidence for deleted scenes etc.?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:50, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Screwed physics ==

Does Sam hanging on tho the rope in the boomstick stuck to Starscream, then Sam holding it with one hand then he goes up and down without dislocating his shoulder, count as an error?(The one where the boomstick is stuck in the eye and then Sam is hanging on to the rope while Starscream is flying up and down without sam dislocating his bones?)[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 09:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:Nah, he's an action hero. They do that kinda stuff all the time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Megatron/Galvatron ==

It seems like Megatron's "breakdown" in the film following the destruction of his master The Fallen after ROTF seems to mimic that of Galvatron G1: Season 3/Post-Movie after Unicron is destroyed, did anyone else notice this?
:No.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 05:29, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== Optimus's closing narration/monologue confusion ==

Somebody quoted him as saying:

{{quote|In any war, there are calms between the storms. There will be days when we lose faith. Days when our allies turn against us... but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people. For I am Optimus Prime, and I send this message to the universe: We are here. We are home.}}

However, in the 2D prints I've seen, the monologue (and indeed, the film) ends when he says "but the day will never come when we forsake this planet and its people." Is the second half of this quote from the 3D cut? An adaptation?? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:13, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
:I can confirm the last part is in the 3D cut, since that's what I saw. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:03, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

::I just watched it in standard, and Prime's monolugue did indeed end at "never forsake this planet and its people."[[Special:Contributions/174.255.177.18|174.255.177.18]] 08:03, 10 July 2011 (EDT) (Sntint)

:::I watched in 3D, and I'm pretty sure he said more than "never forsake this planet and its people." -TheSuper200

==Synopsis==

Ok, reading it, it needs SERIOUS work. Some clunky writing, and its not written entirely in on-screen order. I'm thinking of having a go, but there are much better writers here than me. Just sayin' [[User:Eire|Eire]] 20.56 July 09 (BST)
:[[Transformers (film)]]'s summary isn't in on-screen order either... Pardon me for following an established example.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:36, 9 July 2011 (EDT)
::Clarity trumping chronology when summarizing interleaved action? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:33, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

== TF movie 1 and DOTM Continuity error. ==

In Transformers 1, Megatron went to earth because he was chasing the Allspark, but in DOTM, he said he was supposed to meet with Sentinel Prime, so is that an error?[[Special:Contributions/180.191.113.87|180.191.113.87]] 09:35, 10 July 2011 (EDT)
:[[Movie timeline]]. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 09:35, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

== Ravage sighting ==

I think I saw Ravage fighting on Cybertron at the beginning of the movie.
Can anybody else confirm this for me?1:43, 11 July 2011 John Prime

:Yes, there was a Ravage model in the opening sequence. It seems to me, though, that this was a giant Ravage, as he was killing little tiny robot people. If so, I think it's safe to say that wasn't actually Ravage, just a lookalike. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 17:23, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
: There were like 30 of him and he was a much larger, modified model. Probably not RAVAGE-Ravage, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:43, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

== Transformers references ==

:''Starscream yelling "My eye! My eye!" after Sam injured him with one of Que's inventions is reminiscent of his Generation 1 counterpart yelling "My foot!" after having it squeezed in 1986's The Transformers: The Movie.''

Does this really count as a reference? The only link between them is "My (bodyparts)". ''G1'' Starscream says "Ohhh, my foot!" while his ''Movie'' counterpart says "My eye! My eye!". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:55, 11 July 2011 (EDT)
: Yeah, I don't think this is a reference so much as it is likely for Starscream to whine about pain. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:59, 11 July 2011 (EDT)

==DOTM Watch-bot==
I didn't want to remove this without permission but Watch-bot dosen't appear in the movie, it only appears in the Novel. Its just like Optimus and Megatron make peace in the Novel but don't in the Movie and Megatron is killed by him, so shouldn't the Watch-Bot be moved to the book cast and removed off the movie cast? [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)DOTM123[[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:04, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:You must've forgot the Decepticon on Sam's wrist causing him to behave freakishly at Cape Kennedy. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:16, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:OOPS, sorry about that lol I remember now, is someone going to create the article for the character. [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:19, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Quotes ==

So there appears to be some debate over whether certain lines are missing from the 2D version or not.

Based on [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/432568-2d-version-missing-lines.html this] and [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=80827 this] thread, I'm fairly confident that there is no "edited 2D version", Simmons ''does'' say the "I speak their language" bit in the 2D version, and Optimus Prime's closing narration ends with "its people" in the 3D version. Everything else is people misremembering, or applying dialogue from the novelization and the comic adaptation to the movie itself.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 18:26, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

:SO CHANGE IT YOU FOOLS!!!~ --[[Special:Contributions/96.54.198.88|96.54.198.88]] 19:29, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

Que,"...take these [weapons], they're especially good for kicking ass!"[[User:Blurrzicon|Blurrzicon]]

== About Barricade's voice... ==

I don't think him having soundwave's voice is an error, I mean it is legal that two transformers can be voiced by one voice actor[[Special:Contributions/120.28.64.77|120.28.64.77]] 00:52, 16 July 2011 (EDT)
:"Legal"? What are you talking about? Frank Welker can be credited with as many voices he is cast in. The issue with Barricade was he was speaking in the exact same voice as Soundwave in a scene where Soundwave has several lines of dialogue. If they meant for Barricade to be the character dragging Que/Wheeljack away and talking, Welker would have been easily capable of performing in an entirely different voice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:59, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::Actually, how do we know Barry's even the one talking? In a scene with Soundwave delivering so many lines, a voice that sounded like Soundwave could very well have ''been'' Soundwave. Unless, of course, the credits listed Welker as Barricade (but I do not recall that). - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 18:41, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
::: haha barry! But has it been confirmed that while Barricade was shoving some cons his mouth or jaw was moving?(Just a question)
::::His mouth did visibly move.
:::::Yes, when we see Barricade initially grabbing Wheeljack, his mouth is animated to Soundwave's voice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:07, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== Pink Floyd ''Dark Side of The Moon'' Quotes? ==

If we're going to go with [http://www.pink-floyd-lyrics.com/html/dark-side-moon-lyrics.html Pink Floyd ''Dark Side of the Moon''] quotes for the images on this page, now is the time to start. Some thoughts:
* For the Megs vs. Lincoln screepcap, "For the want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died," or, "Listen son, said the man with the gun, there's room for you inside," or, "If your head explodes with dark forebodings too..."
* For the shot of Neil Armstrong, "I'll see you on the dark side of the moon." seems pretty obvious. Possibly too obvious.
* For the worm attacking Optimus, "For long you live and high you fly," maybe?
(There really aren't a lot of lyrics in those songs...) [[User:JW|JW]] 11:35, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:Yeah... I don't know this band/singer/group/vocaloid, so I can only say, for the sake of those others who don't (I've no idea how famous/obscure this "Pink Floyd" is), how about using quotes from ''The Wrath of Khan'' (or just ''Star Trek'' in general), seeing as that's already a pattern in the film? - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 16:51, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
::Look, I'm not a fan myself, but come on! Pink Floyd is one of the most influential bands of the 20th century! Dark Side of the Moon is one of the best selling albums of all time. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 19:55, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Wrong album, but "Good morning, Worm, your honor!" is the best possible caption for the driller pic--yes, even better than "Waiting for Worms" or "Follow the Worms". So, are we going through with this or not? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:51, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Well, I'd literally never heard of them until people started trying to correct me on the title of ''DOTM'' based upon their album. Anyway, I'd wait for word from ItsWalky or another authority figure before doing it (though I personally wouldn't do it as I don't know stuff). For now, as the captions are "mine" currently, I'll go with ''Star Trek'' and see where it leads us. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 18:37, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::I was hoping for ''Return of the Jedi'' quotes, but I could go with the ''Wrath of Khan'' quotes. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 20:39, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::Though the consensus up above was for Pink Floyd, ''Wrath of Khan'' would be ''awesome.'' (And Floyd's ''Dark Side of the Moon'' album was somewhere on Billboard's LP charts for over ''fourteen years,'' back when rock was young. I recommend it for your listening pleasure.) [[User:JW|JW]] 21:53, 28 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::To hell with Pink Floyd, to hell I say! Wrath of Khan all the way! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:31, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

While I agree that the Pink Floyd idea makes some sense, I personally think it's a better idea to go with quotes from a movie, as that has been the trend (unless the [[User:ItsWalky|powers that be]] say otherwise). The current ones were just quotes I found on a whim that work for the time being. Later, better pictures and more suitable ''Wrath of Khan'' quotes will likely be worked into the article... And when we get a pic of Sentinel being evil, the caption needs to be "There's a man out there I haven't seen in fifteen years who's trying to kill me." :) - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 00:12, 29 July 2011 (EDT)
:Queso's got the right idea. Wrath Of Khan quotes would simply ''work'' better within DOTM versus Pink Floyd. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

Wait... we're not following the trend and using Return of the Jedi quotes? Bummer. -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 01:42, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:As mentioned above, Star Wars was only a "trend" because we were building off the comments from the TF movie production teams themselves. Since none of them specifically cited a ROTJ similarity this time, us pawning things off that way would be far less appropriate and, at this point, kinda lazy too. Though I still '''strongly''' vote for Pink Floyd. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:07, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
::I say Pink Floyd too. --[[Special:Contributions/89.17.232.104|89.17.232.104]] 12:00, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== Only Paramount movie to reach $1bil? ==

Unless that's meant to be out of the movies Paramount currently has in theatres, that's not true, [http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=titanic.htm Titanic] was another Paramount movie that surpassed the $1 billion mark. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:50, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
: Titanic was only Paramount in the US, where it was only in the $600 mil mark. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:57, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
== Quote at Top ==

It was mentioned on Sentinel Prime's talk page that the quote at the top of DOTM's page would eventually be changed to "This is the one where Spock goes nuts" after the movie had been out for a while. Since it's been out for more then a month now, should the quote be changed? [[User:Ratchethide|Ratchethide]] 21:51, 3 August 2011 (EDT)Ratchethide
:No objection. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:22, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:Definitely should be done. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:01, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::Which Trek episode is that? I figure we can 'cap '''it''' for the Spock article. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:47, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I'm fairly sure it was the scene in Amok Time where he's tearing up his quarters, but my memory's a little fuzzy. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 00:35, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:Not gonna lie-that joke took me 35 hours to get. But once I did, it was the funniest joke I'd ever heard. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 14:45, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

== Adding a quote ==

Anyone mind me adding Wheelie's quote from the beginning of the movie? -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 20:14, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:If it's the Spock one, it's already at the top of the article, just after the intro paragraph. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:23, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
::I see that now, sorry. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 12:54, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Crash between Wreckers? ==

When the Wreckers retreat after distracting Shockwave, Topspin looks like to have collided with Roadbuster, because it seems that his back portion of the car got elevated --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 10:50, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

== Regarding Carly's dress / Xantium takeoff weather==
I don't think Carly's changing from evening gown to new clothes is so much as an error than as an advancement of time. Dylan Gould would probably be the kind of guy to have had a variety of lady friends, so he would be likely to have at least a wardrobe set aside for them.
Also, should we list the inconsistency of cloud cover in the shots with Sam and clear skies during the Xantium's take off? For one thing, none of the space programs around the world ever launch anything if there's cloud cover (heck, we hear it all the time on them having to delay the shuttles due to clouds). --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 14:33, 14 August 2011 (EDT)

== "Mexican Standoff" error correction ==

This error is not actually an error.

"During Ironhide and Sideswipe's "Mexican standoff" with Crankcase and Crowbar, all combatants drop their firearms, but when Ironhide is speared, his guns are on his back again. They disappear in subsequent shots."

I recently watched this again and this scene stuck out. After they drop their weapons, one of them draws out the spears and the standoff ends. Sideswipe does a flip kick and then yells, "Ironhide, catch!" as he kicks over his gun to him. I don't have permission to make changes though.

Shortly after the Mexican Standoff scene, when Lennox tells Ironhide to guard Sentinel, he is seen transforming from his vehicle mode. He was already in robot mode just seconds before, while fighting the Dreads. [[User:Blurrzicon|Blurrzicon]]

== Megatron on ground. ==

According to most articles on here Megatron ended upon the ground due to sentinel pushing him however on initial and several re-viewings I have not seen this scene, I hear its right after Megatron tells the decepticons to raise the bridge but right after that it cuts to the autobots. Did anyone else actually see this footage or possible dialog? --[[User:Randommore|Randommore]] 12:29, 23 August 2011 (EDT)

== Optimus' Voice ==

When Optimus is transforming in the hanger in front of the Director, sounds of a tiger growling can be heard.

== Transformers references ==

Yeah, I don't think Steve Jablonsky reusing cues from his own scores for the previous movies qualifies as an actual "Transformers reference". It's not only the same composer (these guys recycle their own stuff all the time), it's also the same friggin' continuity. It's like saying "Optimus Prime has the same alternate mode as in ''Revenge of the Fallen''". "Transformers references" means references to ''other'' Transformers fiction that is ''not'' one of the live-action movies directed by Michael Bay.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 15:35, 19 September 2011 (EDT)

== It defies your laws of physics ==

It seems strange that almost the first words out of Sentinel's mouth imply that he understands the current level of human technology and scientific knowledge. Is there any explanation within the film that would make it clear how he knows that much about the human race? Or does he just pick it up from glancing around at the dumpy warehouse he's in? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:24, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

Because Cybertron has a much larger mass than the Earth, the Earth should be in orbit of Cybertron in a matter of minutes.[[User:Blurrzicon|Blurrzicon]]

== Megatron Lincoln ==

Now that it's available, can we change the picture of him blasting the Memorial with one of him sitting upon it? Like, say, [http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4838/megatronsittingonthrone.jpg this one]? - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:41, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
[[Image:DOTM-MegatronLincolnMemorialchair.jpg|thumb]]--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:43, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== Insane Chicago geographic nitpicks - where? ==

I want to add some notes about how some scenes jump around geographically within downtown Chicago, while making it clear that these aren't really ''errors'' and that practically every film ever does the same thing... where would be the best place to put it? Here or the [[Chicago]] page? Errors section or trivia? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:16, 3 October 2011 (EDT)

== Main cast section ==

Okay, looking over the listings in "Main cast" I find myself wondering exactly who is "minor cast"? Should we trim the listing, change the name, or what; because it currently just doesn't make sense to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:53, 18 October 2011 (EDT)

== Washington DC ==
Likewise, Dylan's auto collection museum, also set in (land-locked) Washington, is actually the Milwaukee Art Museum. Lake Michigan is even visible through the windows!

I live in Washington DC (for over 20 years)and "land-locked" is not true we have 6.9 sq mi of water in the form of: the Potomac River, the Tidal Basin, the Washington Channel, the Eastern Branch (a section of the Potomac) and the McMillan Reservoir(next to Howard University)heck Washington DC also has Islands in the bodies of water listed in fact the Jefferson Memorial is located on one of them, the METRO system has to go above ground to go over the Potomac. -- Marc Cahse

== Dino/Mirage and the Wreckers dissapear ==

Hey all. In the shot directly following Optimus throwing down Megatron's shotgun after killing Sentinel, we see all of the surviving Autobots approaching - Bumblebee, Ratchet, Sideswipe, Dino/Mirage, and the three Wreckers. However, a little later, when Optimus begins his speech ("In any war, there are calms between storms"), and begins to walk down the bridge a little bit, Dino/Mirage and the Wreckers are nowhere to be seen, and the only Autobots present are the "core cast" of Optimus, Bumblebee, Ratchet and Sideswipe. Shouldn't we point this out that four Autobots dissapear? [[Special:Contributions/76.186.90.217|76.186.90.217]] 00:21, 31 October 2011 (EDT)

== Epps's team ==

I had a look through the Chicago scenes to see if I would work out which of Epps's squad was which by comparing them with their IMDB pictures. [[Hooch]] is pretty easy to spot because there are pictures of the actor in the role on IMDB. Josh Kelly as [[Stone]] likewise, though he doesn't have any TF3 images on his IMDB profile. I think [[Marc L]] is the fellow waiting with Hooch at the start in the "RANGERS" shirt, and later can be seen wearing a light-coloured cap. Assuming the named characters are the ones with dialogue, I guess that means that the guy with the backwards cap who points out they only have one rocket is [[Mongo (ROTF)|Mongo]] (Aaron Garrido, who has no photos at all on his IMDB article). I'm hesitant to create articles for Marc L or Mongo without being sure though. Anyone want to put in an opinion? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:51, 13 November 2011 (EST)
:In the end, I found a picture of Kenny Sheard which showed he didn't have the tattoos that Mongo has on his arms, so it was pretty clear who was who and I think they're all named correctly now! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:01, 15 November 2011 (EST)

== Destroying Cybertron ==

It seems strange that the Autobots are ''trying'' to destroy Cybertron. It's apparent that it's proximity to earth has no effect, since we see no floating chunks of rock or cracks in the ground. also, the Autobots had the options of forcing Sentinel to return it, or just leave it as is and kill the Decepticons, because they're the threat, not Cybertron. Megs and Sentinel evidently didn't surrender once it was gone. on that note, how is shutting off the control Pillar different than destroying it? the bridge closes either way, so why did Cybertron collapse when the pillar was destroyed? still fun to think that there's a half of a giant metal honeycomb planet floating around somewhere out there.
:...how is having a massive planet larger than Earth, closer to Earth than its own moon ''not'' a threat?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177|192.249.47.177]] 14:15, 7 March 2012 (EST)

== "Effin' Awesome" line? ==

When I rented it on DVD, instead of the theatrical "freakin' awesome" that Sam's boss uses to address Bumblebee, he says "f***in' awesome." this the same for anyone else? {{unsigned|Capnpwned118766}}
:Yeah, I noticed the use of fuckin' awesome in the home release. Didn't actually see it in theatres, was sick and didn't want to support Bay, but then the family goes ahead and buys the Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital copy. [[Special:Contributions/24.11.110.62|24.11.110.62]] 03:49, 7 March 2012 (EST)

==Skids spotted again in DOTM?==

I spotted What appears to be Skids again in DOTM, if its him, then should we mention this?
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/bayformers%20pics/Bayformers%20Prequels/TF%20Comics/Skids.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/bayformers%20pics/Bayformers%20Prequels/TF%20Comics/Skids2.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh199/eagc7/More/bayformers%20pics/Bayformers%20Prequels/TF%20Comics/Skids3.jpg

Sorry they are not HD, but well maybe someone could try and take HD pics for see if its him or just a regular car

== Quibble about an error ==

"It's said that four Autobots were captured by the Decepticons in Chicago, but actually five Autobots were captured."

Now, I'll declare my bias as "Gay for Bay" here and now, but to me this wasn't necessarily an error. We have the NEST types looking at their monitors and saying "four Autobots captured", with that little shot on the monitor. Then a few seconds later we ge the shot of Ratchet being herded towards an already-subdued quartet of Autobots. I read this as the four "car" Autobots being captured and noted by the NEST techie, then Ratchet is captured very soon afterwards bringing us up to five to be ineptly menaced by Soundwave and Barricade.

There are lots of problems with that whole sequence that might not exactly be continuity errors but are pretty inconsistent - how exactly are five Autobots captured basically unharmed in the most brutal TF universe to date?; why do they seem to be making next to no attempt to escape?; is Sentinel addressing them or what?; why does Soundwave need Dylan's prompting to begin executions (the way it's played Soundwave has no moral problem with the idea of killing prisoners, it just looks like he hasn't thought of it) - and point to it being a ham-fisted way of placing the Autobots (especially Bumblebee) in peril on first viewing when all bets are off after Ironhide's death, I didn't find the numeration to be contradictory. Confusing, but not contradictory.

One thing that does bother me, though, is Crankcase knocking over the sign in the highway battle. I'm open to correction and/or ridicule here, but surely there's no way the sign should fall that way (the ramp should be facing against the other two Dreads), and when they hit the thing there seems to be a lot of mass under there that shouldn't be on the back of a road sign anyway.

[[Special:Contributions/85.210.62.76|85.210.62.76]] 00:41, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

:: [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/Autobots.jpg] - screencap 'showing' the four captured Autobots at the same time as the explicit "four Autobots captured" dialogue; I've left the time and everything on as the cap itself is a bit dreadful due to the motion and size. I can't spot Ratchet in there at all; he's shown around the 2:07:00 mark as Sam and Carly run across to the burnt-out car; Bee and Dino at least can be seen very much under restraint unlike Ratchet.

:: [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/Highway.jpg] - highway sign montage - view from inside Simmons/Dutch's limo (which should have been Tux, dammit) of Crankcase pulling down the sign; sign on floor, facing with traffic and upside down; magical sign having flipped upside down with limo slowing and Crowbar/Hatchet accelerating; Crowbar & Hatchet hitting the sign which - to me - now looks massive and bulky; the signs themselves seem a lot shallower in angle than the third picture.

:: Don't really want to go ahead and edit without a regular's say-so, but the four/five thing especially seems clean-cut to me when you break it down, even if it is a little confusing on first impression. =)

[[Special:Contributions/85.210.55.115|85.210.55.115]] 09:08, 11 April 2012 (EDT)

==Skids and Mudflap==

I'm not sure whether this is worth a mention or not, but my kid has a DotM colouring book, and there's a two-page spread of Ironhide, Skids and Mudflap, listed as 'the brave Autobots who lost their fights with Sentinel Prime'. Anyone think this might have been their planned fates before they were cut from the movie?
:We knew about the Twins dying at Sentinel's hands from the novel and comic adaptation, but I didn't realise we didn't have that info included on this page, so thanks for drawing attention to it! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:47, 18 April 2012 (EDT)

== The quote ==

Cant we change the quote on the front page into something more iconic like "'''Today we will take the battle to them!'''?

== The printer ==
When the man looks at the printer (laserbeak) and says it is excedingly japanese, the printer is beeping in a tune that sounds [[Theme song|familiar]]...should this be mentioned? Do you agree? [[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 23:07, 12 July 2013 (EDT)
:That's already mentioned in the article. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:23, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

== Sentinel as an Autobot ==

Shouldn't he be listed as a Decepticon. From the very beginning of the film he was defecting to the Cons. --[[User:Revan's Exile|Revan's Exile]] 21:30, 19 October 2013 (EDT)
:No. He's still an Autobot. I'm sure this was explained somewhere else already. -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 21:34, 19 October 2013 (EDT)
::There's previous discussion of this on [[Talk:Sentinel Prime (ROTF)]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:37, 19 October 2013 (EDT)

== Optimus error ==

During Prime's transformation when he's upset with Mearing, you can clearly see wings appear and disappear despite him not having his trailer. Someone please explain this. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 13:53, 29 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

William Lennox

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:''William Lennox is a [[human]] from the [[live-action film series]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Williamlennox.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|My character archetype is how you know it's a [[Michael Bay]] film!]]

'''William "Wild Bill" Lennox''' is a member of the [[United States Army|United States Army Rangers]].<ref>The nickname "Wild Bill" appears only in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]].</ref> A young, yet capable officer, Lennox has the friendship and trust of the men under his command.

He has a [[Sarah Lennox|wife]] and a [[Annabelle Lennox|daughter]] [[United States of America|back home]].

==Fiction==
===Movies===
====''Transformers'' film====
:''Actor:'' [[Josh Duhamel]]
{{voiceactor|[[Fumiya Yazaki]] (Japanese dub)|[[Wang Mingjun]] (Mandarin dub), [[Niseem Onorato]] (Italian dub), [[Alexandre Moreno]] (Portuguese dub), [[Arturo Mercado Leonel de Cervantes|Arturo Mercado Jr.]] (Spanish dub), [[José Posada]] (Spanish-Spain dub), [[Dennis Schmidt-Foß]] (German dub), [[Alexis Victor]] (European French dub), [[Patrice Dubois]] (Canadian French dub)}}

[[File:Movie Lennox myladies.jpg|left|upright=1.67|thumb|Guys, are we supposed to be getting an episode of the Teletubbies?]]

Returning back to [[SOCCENT Forward Operations Base]] in [[Qatar]] after a mission behind enemy lines, Captain Lennox's men discussed what they were going to do once they got home to the States. As usual, [[Jorge Figueroa|Fig]] talked about his mom's cooking in Spanish, [[Robert Epps|Epps]] commented that he'd never accept a dinner invitation to Fig's house and [[Patrick Donnelly|Donnelly]] reminisced about flat beer, cold hot dogs and baseball on weekends. When asked about what he wanted to do, Lennox replied that he only wanted to hold his baby girl for the first time, to which his men teased him for his sappy sentiment.

After their CV-22 Ospreys touched down, Lennox was writing a report when local boy [[Mahfouz]] visited him carrying a bag of water. Soon afterwards, he talked to his wife Sarah and their daughter on the satellite video phone. Lennox declared that their daughter was so cute that he just wanted to chew on her cheeks, and that they both made one good looking kid. To his delight, Sarah told him their girl had his laugh, though he wondered if she had merely farted. Around the same time as a [[Blackout (Movie)|mysterious MH-53 Pave Low]] helicopter had landed on the base, his connection to Sarah became distorted, and he tried to tell her that he'd be home soon as the transmission was cut.

Suddenly, the base was under attack as the helicopter somehow transformed into a giant walking weapons platform. Leading his men and the boy Mahfouz, they witnessed Epps nearly being crushed by the weapons platform before Fig saved him by firing a sabot from his grenade launcher into the 'chest' of the weapon. With Epps in tow, Lennox's unit escaped as the robot laid waste to SOCCENT, leaving no survivors.

[[File:Movie Lennox Scorponoktail.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Yeah, real good work watching your commander's back, all you guys standin' in the background.]]

The next morning, after making their way through the desert, the men discussed the past night's events, with Epps expressing his belief that the weapon, whatever it was, looked right back at him as he was taking its photograph. Lennox determined that no matter what, they had to get the information back to the [[Pentagon]], and asked Mahfouz to lead them to his village where they could find a telephone line. Unknown to them, [[Scorponok (Movie)|a second robot]], a mechanical scorpion, was listening to their conversation and stalking them. As they neared the outskirts of the village, a metal spiked tail rose out of the sand and was about to kill Lennox when Epps fired at it, saving his life. Unfortunately, the giant scorpion killed top kick Donnelly and the men ran for their lives to the relative cover of the village.

Ordering the men to form a defensive perimeter, Lennox followed Mahfouz to his father [[Akram]]'s house, the latter of whom provided him with a cell phone. As the others fought off Scorponok, Lennox attempted to call for help from the Pentagon, but had more than a little trouble with the [[Telephone operator|operator]] who demanded a credit card despite the life-and-death situation he was in. After successfully searching for Epps's credit card in one of the latter's many back pockets, Lennox successfully contacted the Pentagon, but not before the operator tried to get him to sign onto a Premium Plus World Service Gold Package. He'll never use that company again.

[[File:Movie LennoxEpps backpockets.jpg|left|upright=1.67|thumb|10: LEFT CHEEK! 20: GOTO 10]]

The Pentagon sent in two A-10 Thunderbolt IIs from Strike Package Bravo. Lennox ordered the men to light up the target for the Air Force' radars to lock onto and fire upon. Unfortunately, the A-10s did no appreciable damage to the metal scorpion, with Epps expressing disbelief that it could still be alive. With the call of [[Bring the rain|"Bring the rain!"]], Lennox suggested the biggest barrels the Air Force had: the 105 millimeter cannons of an AC-130 Spectre gunship. The cannonade pounded Scorponok into the sand. As the dust settled, the scorpion got up and dove into the sand, but not before leaving part of its damaged tail behind. Lennox and Epps ran to check on Fig, who had been struck by one of the scorpion's missiles.

En-route back to America, the team studied the tail segment they salvaged from the battle scene. An analyst observed that it seemed to be covered in a [[living metal|self-regenerating molecular armor]]. Lennox pointed out where a sabot round had burned right through. Turning to Epps's expertise, he asked if it was correct that sabot rounds had a 6000 degree magnesium burn, which Epps said was true. As Lennox ordered Epps to tell command to load sabot rounds on all their gunships, the tail suddenly came to life and narrowly missed impaling them. Epps angrily berated the analyst for telling them it was dead; Lennox ordered them to strap the tail down, while concluding that the technology behind it was 'wicked'. Touching down at [[United States Air Force#Facilities|Nellis Air Force Base]], Lennox's men had barely walked off the plane when [[Sector Seven|mysterious government agents]] pulled up in black SUVs and ordered the Rangers to come with them.

After arriving at [[Hoover Dam]], Lennox and his unit met with Secretary of Defense [[John Keller (Movie)|John Keller]], and were taken to see [[Megatron (Movie)|N.B.E.-1]]. After the Iceman began to thaw, Lennox and his unit headed for the armory, where they were having a special on forty mm sabot rounds.

When [[Sam Witwicky]] asked [[Seymour Simmons|Agent Simmons]] to free [[Bumblebee (Movie)|a good robot]], Simmons refused to listen, until Lennox got him to cooperate by putting a gun to his chest, resulting in a Mexican standoff between his unit and Sector Seven. Simmons ordered him to release him, but Lennox told Simmons he and his men didn't take orders from people who didn't exist. They won the standoff (losing really isn't an option for those guys). Lennox and his men subsequently escorted Sam and the car to [[Mission City]], meeting [[Autobot|other good robots]] en route.

[[File:Movie Lennox Sam takethecube.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Give me the girl and no one has to die here.]]

After arriving in Mission City, they were attacked by a [[Seeker (Movie)|fighter jet]] which [[Ironhide (Movie)|some truck]] called "[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]". Soon afterwards, [[Brawl (Movie)|a tank]] started shelling them, until the good robots totally triple teamed it. When Megatron arrived, the good robots told the soldiers to fall back, and seeing [[Jazz (Movie)|the Pontiac]] trying to cover the retreat of his men, Lennox tried to tell the good robot to fall back as well, but it was too late. Lennox and his men engaged the tank when it got back up, but it just wouldn't die, and things were complicated further when the helicopter that destroyed SOCCENT Qatar turned up. Telling Sam to take the [[AllSpark]] to a building to be evacuated, Lennox and his team engaged the tank thing, which began to overpower them. It was only with the help of [[Bumblebee (Movie)|the Camaro]] and [[Mikaela Banes|some girl]] that they were able to kill the thing.

[[File:Lennox-slide-shoot.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|YOU DISHONOR MY FAMILY!]]

Later, Lennox and his men went to assist [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|the big truck]] in his fight with Megatron. During the battle, that helicopter went to help his boss. Lennox, deciding to take matters into his own hands, avenged Figueroa and Donnelly by totally killing it dead with the time-honored method of:

:* Getting on a motorcycle.
:* Jumping off the motorcycle as it slams into the enemy.
:* Sliding under his opponent.
:* Shooting them in the [[Anatomic euphemism#Gearbox|gearbox]] with sabot rounds until they are dead.
:* Going "woo-hoo", "yee-ha", or another exclamation of success.

[[File:Movie LennoxFamily.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|It's the circle of liiiife!]]
His final action in the battle of Mission City was to shoot a sabot round in the chest of Megatron, offering an opening to Sam to ram the All Spark in his chest, thus allowing them victory.

After the deaths of the [[Decepticon]]s, [[Ironhide (Movie)|the Topkick named Ironhide]] gave him a ride home, where he was reunited with his wife and met his newborn daughter. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

{{note|William Lennox's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels "[[Transformers (novel)|Transformers]]," and "[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]]"; and the "[[Transformers: Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics.}}
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====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film====
:''Actor:'' [[Josh Duhamel]]
{{voiceactor|[[Fumiya Yazaki]] (Japanese dub)|[[Wang Mingjun]] (Mandarin dub), [[Alexandre Moreno]] (Portuguese dub), [[Arturo Mercado Leonel de Cervantes|Arturo Mercado Jr.]] (Spanish dub), [[Dennis Schmidt-Foß]] (German dub), [[Alexis Victor]] (European French dub), [[Patrice Dubois]] (Canadian French dub)}}

[[File:ROTF Lennox EppsNEST.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Look, Epps! If you look in the background - and I mean way, way in the background - sitting idly, you might, might, ''just might'', and I repeat, "might" see a Transformer standing idly in this movie!]]
In the two years following the battle at [[Mission City]], Lennox received a promotion to Major and was made field commander of [[NEST]], an alliance between human governments and the Autobots to track down and eliminate all Decepticons active on Earth.

In 2009, NEST was deployed to [[Shanghai]] when Decepticons were detected, their sixth operation in eight months. When NEST reached the industrial center they last tracked them to, Lennox told the arriving [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] that they had echoes near the steel stacks, and the Autobots soldier confirmed that there was a Decepticon nearby. Sergeant Epps soon got a thermal ripple from an excavator, and as Lennox ordered NEST to be steady, the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] transformed and struck the stacks sending them and several NEST soldiers flying. As NEST returned fire, the Decepticon [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]] made a break for it. Lennox took a group to stop the Decepticon, deploying [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] and [[The Twins]] to intercept him. When [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] made a bad turn and Sideways managed to fight off Arcee, Lennox ordered [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] deployed, and he managed to take out the fleeing Decepticon.

Although [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Epps' group managed to take out Demolishor, he relayed a cryptic warning before he died: "[[The Fallen]] shall rise again". Upon returning to [[Diego Garcia]], Lennox ordered a video briefing with [[Morshower|General Morshower]] at the [[Pentagon]]. While paying his respects to the three soldiers who were killed at Shanghai, Lennox saw a helicopter land and deposit [[Theodore Galloway]], the National Security Adviser. Lennox told the Director he would need to be on the classified access list to enter, only for Galloway to slap a Presidential authorization on his chest informing them of [[Barack Obama|President Obama]]'s decision to make Galloway his official liaison. As Lennox took Galloway to the Autobots' hangar, the link to the JCS was established. Lennox greeted Chairman Morshower and told them that Optimus Prime needed to debrief him immediately. After Optimus relayed the warning of "The Fallen" to General Morshower, Galloway then interrupted to air the President's concerns, while also airing his complains over the Autobots' refusal to share weapons technology and continued sending of messages to space. Although Lennox and Epps tried to defend the Autobots, Galloway dismissed them and asked if the Autobots would peacefully leave if they were asked to. Optimus said that they would, but posed a question of his own: what if they leave, and Galloway was wrong? Lennox admitted that it was a good question.

That evening, however, the Decepticons located the [[AllSpark]] shard stored on Diego Garcia and stole it, using it to resurrect [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. The Autobots soon sent word to NEST of multiple incoming Decepticons, but refused to specify where they were heading and would not respond to NEST's calls. Lennox ordered NEST ready for deployment in twenty minutes. By the time they reached the United States, Lennox received a message from the Autobots: the battle with the Decepticons to rescue [[Sam Witwicky]] had not gone well, and Optimus Prime was [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|dead]]. Soon after, the Decepticons launched two attacks at Paris and the [[United States Navy]], destroying the ''U.S.S. Roosevelt'' and killing all hands aboard. Following this, The Fallen made the presence of the [[Transformer]]s known and demanded that humanity turn Sam over to them.

Optimus Prime's body was brought to an Air Force base in New Jersey, and his body had barely hit the ground when the United States military surrounded the Autobots. Lennox ordered the soldiers to lower their weapons, only to learn that Director Galloway had managed to place himself in charge of NEST and order it deactivated, with the Autobots to be placed under guard. Lennox tried to argue the Autobots value, but Galloway dismissed his arguments by saying they would buy time by negotiating with the Decepticons, even if it meant handing Sam over to the Decepticons. As a final insult to injury, Galloway then stripped Lennox's NEST badge off his uniform.

[[File:ROTF Lennox EppsPlot.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Well, Epps, I didn't want it to have come down to this... but, screw it! We're gonna kill and eat Galloway! Epps, you get that AK! Ironhide, go get the AR-15 in the back!]]
As the Autobots were being "restrained" and loaded onto C-17s for transport back to Diego Garcia, Lennox received a phone call from none other than [[Seymour Simmons]], who said that he was with Sam and needed Optimus brought to the [[Gulf of Aqaba]] in [[Egypt]]. Lennox found it strange, but realized that Sam had a better idea of the stakes and decided to trust him. Lennox had a message with the coordinates sent to General Morshower, including a warning to get ready to [[bring the rain]], while spreading word among the NEST troops to be ready.

[[File:ROTF LennoxditchesGalloway.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|You're lucky, we were ''this'' close to eating you! *kicks*]]
When they reached the coordinates, the pilot faked engine trouble and ordered an emergency evac. Despite Galloway's threat to end his career, he was able to strap a parachute onto the panicking bureaucrat and trick him into opening the chute while inside the plane. Finally ready, NEST parachuted into the Gulf. Landing in a village on the beach, Lennox ordered NEST ready for combat. Once [[Graham|Agent Graham]] had a visual on [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Yellow]] team, Lennox ordered a flair popped to lead Sam to them. Unfortunately, the flare also got the attention of [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]], who began attacking the incoming Autobots and releasing an [[electromagnetic pulse]] to disable NEST's communications.

When Megatron and thirteen Decepticons arrived, Lennox ordered a group to go with Ironhide and Arcee to find Sam and lead him through the pillars, where NEST would ambush the Decepticons. Once NEST began firing on the Decepticons, Ironhide's team [[roll out|rolled out]]. In the following [[Operation: Firestorm|battle]], NEST was hard pressed to provide proper support to the remaining Autobots. Fortunately, General Morshower eventually discovered what was really happening and sent heavy armor to assist them. Members of Ironhide's team said that they were unable to reach the kid but told him where to go. Unfortunately, Megatron was hot on his trail, and Lennox ordered the tanks to provide cover fire while he and Epps made their way to Sam and [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]]. Once they reached him, Sam was insistent on getting to Optimus, despite the incoming air strike. Before they could leave, the group was forced to hide behind the wall they were using for cover, as the Decepticon [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]] was using it for the same purpose. Salvation arrived in the form of the Decepticon-turned-Autobot [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]], who killed Mixmaster. Unfortunately, Jetfire was then attacked by Lennox and Epps' old "pal" [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]], who in turn was killed.

With the air strike incoming, Lennox told Sam and Mikaela to stay with him as they ran. Unfortunately, Epps' toss had been less than stellar. Namely, it was a mere feet away from their position. With the F-16s about to fire, Lennox and Epps ordered everyone to run like hell. Barely making away from the blast zone, Lennox ordered Sam to get back when he made a mad dash for Optimus' body. Before he could reach it, Megatron fired, sending Sam hurtling through the air before being forced to retreat. As Lennox started CPR on the boy, medics arrived to try and revive him. It appeared that Sam was dead, but [[Dynasty of Primes|something]] revived him. The dust in his sock turned into some sort of dagger, and Sam used it to revive Optimus Prime.

[[File:ROTF NotBestToss.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Damn it, I knew we should've eaten Galloway.]]
Unfortunately, that wasn't the end, as The Fallen teleported in, killed some soldiers, and stole the dagger. As it turns out, it wasn't some handy Autobot reviver. It was the [[Matrix of Leadership]], an artifact used to activate a [[Star Harvester|weapon]] which would create [[energon]] by destroying stars. The Fallen then raised the heavy weaponry attacking the Decepticons on the [[Great Pyramid of Giza]], compelling the dying Jetfire to give his parts to Optimus. Once Optimus flew off, Lennox ordered NEST to follow him and start ''running toward the pyramid''. As one can assume, Optimus destroyed the machine and killed The Fallen before they arrived. With the battle won, Lennox was seen congratulating Simmons on his role in helping to save the world. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

{{note|William Lennox's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]," "[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Junior Novel]]" and "[[The Last Prime]]"; the "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Official Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Operation Autobot]]," "[[Rise of the Decepticons]]," and "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Mix & Match]]."}}

====''Dark of the Moon'' film====
:''Actor:'' [[Josh Duhamel]]
{{voiceactor|[[Fumiya Yazaki]] (Japanese dub)|[[Wang Mingjun]] (Mandarin dub), [[Arturo Mercado Leonel de Cervantes|Arturo Mercado Jr.]] (Spanish dub), [[Dennis Schmidt-Foß]] (German dub), [[Alexis Victor]] (European French dub), [[Patrice Dubois]] (Canadian French dub)}}

With the Decepticon threat mostly gone, Colonel Lennox's NEST teams mostly spent their time working on human problems. Lennox traveled to the [[Ukraine]] with the Autobots to secretly meet with Department of Energy General Counsel, [[Alexi Voskhod]], who passed on the information that something alien had been found at [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant]]. The NEST team proceeded to [[Pripyat]] with Voskhod, though Lennox was surprised at first that Voskhod wasn't wearing protective gear. Lennox and his men were led through a school and to the power plant itself. Within, they located some sort of alien device, however before they could secure it, they were attacked by the [[Driller]] which made off with the device. Lennox and his team evacuated the building and outside joined [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] in fighting off the driller, managing to regain possession of the device, which Optimus told Lennox was a piece from an Autobot ship.

Returning to the US, Lennox got a visit from his new favorite pain-in-the-ass, Director of National Intelligence [[Charlotte Mearing]], who had a bee in her bonnet over certain recent missions NEST had been undertaking in the [[Middle East]]. Lennox claimed that the Autobots sometimes sneaked out without his knowledge. He spectated as Mearing introduced Optimus to [[Buzz Aldrin]], and it was explained that the Autobot ship, the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' had crashed on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. Some time later, [[Sam Witwicky]] turned up at the secret NEST base with information about Decepticon activities he'd gained from a coworker, and got Lennox's attention when the information pertained to the Moon. They watched as Optimus used the Matrix to revive [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]], and Lennox ordered his men not to fire as Sentinel attacked Optimus.

When Sam discovered that the Decepticons were after Sentinel to activate the [[space bridge]] [[Pillar]]s, Lennox deployed NEST teams to track the enemy down. He met Sam at the gate when the boy arrived with Sentinel, however then it turned out Sentinel was on the Decepticon's side. Lennox ordered the NEST teams recalled, but it was too late. Sentinel trashed the NEST base in search of the Pillars, and Lennox had to restrain Mearing from trying to confront the Autobot. The Autobots pursued Sentinel to [[Washington, D.C.]], with Lennox riding in [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], but were unable to prevent Sentinel from bringing masses of Decepticons to Earth. Lennox subsequently met with General Morshower, and reported to Mearing that the Decepticons had gone into hiding, but then they received a recorded message from Sentinel, demanding the exile of Optimus's Autobots from Earth.

Following the attack on [[Chicago]], Lennox went to [[Grissom Air Force Base]] to coordinate a response, networking with Morshower and Mearing by video. They were unable to find out what was happening in Chicago until they got a transmission from Epps, Sam and [[Carly Spencer|Carly]] via a downed military drone. Lennox organized a NEST team to enter the embattled city. They traveled in by [[United States Air Force#CV-22 Osprey|Osprey]] and used a combination of [[wingsuit]]s and parachutes to reach the ground.

[[File:DOTM Lennox and Sam on Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|They're both on Bumblebee's hood, so clearly they're about to make out.]]
They first located Sam Witwicky, who was dangling from [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] via [[grapple glove]]. While Lennox tried to cut him free before the bomb in Starscream's head exploded, the pair were tossed around, and finally caught by Bumblebee. Lennox led his team to the river where they rendezvoused with Epps and his group as well as a team of Navy Seals, but were unable to cross the bridge until [[Dutch (DOTM)|someone]] eventually lowered it remotely. On the other side of the river, they set up an ambush to attack a group of Decepticons including [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. Lennox and some of the other men parachuted down in an attempt to get on top of the Decepticons and engage them at close range. With Optimus's help, they succeeded in taking out the Decepticons, and in return aided Optimus in his fight against Sentinel by shooting at the other Autobot and helping to take out the control Pillar. Following the battle, Lennox and his men walked out onto the bridge where Optimus had defeated both Megatron and Sentinel. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}
{{note|William Lennox's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novels "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (novel)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]" and "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel]]"; the "[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon Movie Adaptation]]" and "[[Movie Trilogy]]" comics; and the storybooks "[[Autobots Versus Decepticons]]," "[[Optimus Prime's Friends and Foes]]," and "[[The Lost Autobot]]."}}

====''The Last Knight'' film====
:''Actor:'' [[Josh Duhamel]]
{{voiceactor|[[Fumiya Yazaki]] (Japanese)|[[Fan Zhechen]] (Mandarin dub), [[Dennis Schmidt-Foß]] (German dub), [[Alexis Victor]] (European French dub), [[Patrice Dubois]] (Canadian French dub)}}
As a new agent in the [[Transformers Reaction Force]], Lennox was part of the squad that went to get [[Cade Yeager]]. As they fired on [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], he fell apart. However, he put himself back together and held [[Santos]] at gunpoint. As a standoff was underway, he told everyone to stand down. Telling Bee how the world is now, [[Hound (Movie)|Hound]] arrives and ends things. After getting in an argument with Santos, he goes back to headquarters to report to [[Morshower|General Morshower]], about the [[Talisman Knight|dead Talisman knight]]. Morshower then tells him of [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]], and then played a recording of him reporting back to [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]. Discussing their next move, they then discovered that Megatron had kidnapped a pair of [[CIA]] operatives, and contacted the TRF to offer a deal; in exchange for the hostages, he wanted some of his fellow Decepticons released so that they could track Yeager and the Autobots down. Agreeing, he went. [[File:TLK Lennox OperationIsOver.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Why am I here? I thought Mark was the main character!]]

Arriving in the desert, he agreed to the release of [[Mohawk]], [[Dreadbot]], [[Nitro Zeus]], and [[Onslaught (ROTF)|Onslaught]] (though the latter was only agreed to after the TRF refused his request for [[Berserker]]). As Megatron moved out to the Autobots' [[Junkyard (TLK)|hideout]] in [[South Dakota]], Lennox and the TRF followed close behind, and Santos questioned Lennox on the release of some of their prisoners. After moving in on the Junkyard, the [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobots]] suddenly appeared and attacked several of their vehicles. After Santos releases several unmanned drones to try and capture Cade (and fails), [[Cogman]] arrives and takes Bumblebee and Cade to England. He and Morshower track it and note that Megatron's group is giving pursuit. Lennox is ordered to take the TRF team to the UK as well. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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===IDW movie comics===
Though the [[Decepticon]]s had been defeated, the job was not yet done in Mission City. Now acquainted with the good robots known as the [[Autobot]]s, Lennox and his team accompanied [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] to seek out and destroy the mutation Transformers created by the [[AllSpark]]'s energy. After the last of the creatures were destroyed, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] requested Lennox's assistance in helping the Autobots escape from less-trustworthy humans such as Sector Seven. Gladly helping, the soldiers found Ironhide a trailer that Prime could use to transport Jazz's remains out of the city. As Ironhide somberly placed his comrade's body into the container, Lennox, Epps and the men lowered their heads in honour of the 'bot who saved their lives. Lennox gave Ironhide his cell phone for Sam Witwicky to call him with once they were safely away (forgetting that his wife would probably call him at some point). As soon as the Autobots left, that jerkface Agent Simmons from Sector Seven turned up, demanding to know what had transpired. To their surprise, Simmons also offered Lennox and Epps positions within Sector Seven to help defend Earth against further Transformer aggression. Initially, they refused, until Sam called Epps's phone right in front of Simmons, blowing Lennox's excuse.

[[File:Eppsandlennoxalliance1.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.65|left]]
A month later, Lennox and Epps have a secret meeting with Optimus Prime, Ratchet and Ironhide. He joked to Ratchet that the Autobots were late to meet them because Ratchet had stopped to take soil samples again, but Optimus mention having been followed by a police car, which Lennox suggests might have been Barricade. Lennox then informed Prime that the Decepticons' remains were about to be dumped into the ocean, and they want the Autobots to help escort the transport to the naval yards. {{storylink|Alliance issue 1|Alliance #1}}

Now members of Sector Seven, Epps and Lennox oversaw the transportation of the Decepticon bodies to the [[San Diego]] [[United States Navy|US Navy]] base where they would be taken to the ocean and dumped. As a gesture of friendship to the Autobots, Lennox also arranged for Jazz to be properly buried at sea, an honour greatly appreciated by Optimus Prime. When the AllSpark fragment seemed to react to the presence of Megatron, Optimus Prime left it in the care of Sector Seven scientist [[Vine|Professor Vine]] while he was away. Lennox ordered [[Salani]] to stay behind and guard the shard with his life. Later, when Optimus Prime had second thoughts, he ordered Bumblebee and Ironhide to return to the Sector Seven [[Nevada]] base to retrieve the fragment, and Lennox sent Epps to accompany them. What they didn't know was Decepticons had leveled the base. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2}}

[[File:Alliance3 OptimusPrime Lennox.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|I went from the height of Prime's ankle to his knee in just 2 panels!]]

The convoy returned after learning of [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]'s devastating attacks. Just as Simmons was about to leave to find the All Spark shard, Lennox ordered him to stay where he was, and that Simmons's rank was negated by orders from Secretary of Defense Keller, who had terminated Sector Seven and fired Simmons. Lennox felt some regret in seeing Simmons go, but doubted they had seen the last of the strange man. Two weeks later, Lennox butted heads with unsympathetic, suspicious superiors at the [[Pentagon]], who did not trust the Autobots and were not keen on Lennox's idea of a joint military alliance. At the last they agreed, but made it clear it was the young officer's responsibility. After the disposal of the Decepticons, Lennox assured Optimus Prime that it was highly unlikely anything of Earth or Cybertronian origin could reach the bodies. Below deck, Lennox, revealed more "[[transition form|meteors]] had been seen coming down to Earth, and proposed his militaty alliance idea, with the two leaders agreeing to mutual trust and disclosure. Shortly afterwards, the Autobots and human soldiers in the newly formed [[NEST]] began training on the island of [[Diego Garcia]], though it did not go too well. Both Optimus Prime and the newly promoted '''Major''' Lennox impressed upon the soldiers that teamwork was paramount to their successful defense of their home. After the drill, Lennox expressed admiration for Optimus Prime and the Autobots, though the Autobot leader brushed the compliments off, and stated it was humans such as [[Sam Witwicky]] and Lennox who were the true heroes, and the Autobots were just part of the problem. Soon, the NEST team had to move out—the Decepticon [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] had been seen in [[San Francisco]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

[[File:Alliance4 angryLennox Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|left|What do you mean Self-Destruct? Who was the smart ass that installed this?!]]

In San Francisco, when the Decepticons were spotted, Lennox and Bumblebee went after Swindle, who turned to face his pursuers on the [[Golden Gate Bridge]]. Lennox distracted the Decepticon from Bumblebee, a move that almost cost him his life before the Autobot destroyed Swindle. Before he died, Swindle boasted that none of them were safe, and that they would find "it". This troubled Lennox, and on the plane trip back to Diego Garcia, he confided with Prime his fears about there being more Decepticons and what they were looking for. When Optimus suggested taking Sam, a possible target, to the base on the island, Lennox refused, stating it was too much to place upon the boy, but agreed that they should assign somebody to keep an eye on him. Back at base, Lennox again butted heads with his superiors, who were supremely unhappy that the Autobots transformed into robot mode, pointedly telling Lennox that his team was expected to fix problems, not create new ones. Lennox was frustrated that the pig-headed brass still didn't trust the Autobots. After seeing Bumblebee off, the team discovered that the Decepticons were once again active in force on Earth, and were authorised to hunt down and destroy the invaders. Though their numbers and their experience grew, Lennox's men suffered losses while taking out the Decepticons. A day after destroying [[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] in [[Florida]], the team returned to [[Mission City]] to greet new Autobot recruits. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}} But one Autobot named [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] was recklessly pursuing a Decepticon named [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] in [[South America]]. Lennox informed Optimus that the two were heading for [[Buenos Aires]], [[Argentina]]. As the teams readied themselves, Lennox asked Optimus if Sideswipe wouldn't stand down and Prime made it clear that if he wouldn't stand down, he'll be... ''dealt'' with, but Ironhide requested to have first crack at trying to bring him into line since he trained Sideswipe, and was once like him. When the Argentine Air Force entered the fray, all ''three'' Transformers were seen as hostiles. Luckily, the NEST team arrived, and Lennox calling in for the Air Force to stand down. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 2|Tales of the Fallen #2}}

Eventually, the greatest test NEST had faced yet appeared when Demolisher reappeared in [[Shanghai]], [[China]] and Lennox ordered everyone to move out. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}

[[File:Nefarious2 Lennox.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|What? So I'm played by Ben Browder now.]]
Lennox led a NEST mission to stop [[Alice (ROTF)|Alice]], after the Decepticon stole an RV. He instructed Epps to tell their sharpshooters to hold fire in case there was anyone else inside. He returned to [[Beale Air Force Base]] and reported the mission's success to Optimus over a video link. Noting the recent reduction in NEST's funding, he blamed Galloway and reflected he should never have thrown Galloway out of that plane. While Lennox watched Sideswipe's display of bigotry, [[Janson]] informed him of spark traces converging on [[Kingdom Petrochemicals]]. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1|Nefarious #1}} Some time later at [[Edwards Air Force Base]], Lennox found himself being told off by Galloway, who was annoyed at the operation at Kingdom Petrochemicals and the new Autobots who didn't have paperwork, and who informed him that NEST was being stood down. Lennox, for his part, didn't tell Galloway that a mysterious group of humans had been involved in the Kingdom Petrochemicals battle. When three Decepticon contacts conveniently turned up, Lennox and Optimus grew more perplexed. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 2|Nefarious #2}}

Lennox was very annoyed when Optimus took [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] prisoner without consulting him, even more so when the plane transporting Soundwave was shot down. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 3|Nefarious #3}} After Soundwave was freed by the Decepticons, Lennox lamented the position they were in, but then they received a distress call from Galloway. A NEST team led by Lennox rushed to his aid and then they proceeded to [[Hoover Dam]], where they found someone had broken in. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}} Lennox prepared his troops to assault the [[Initiative]] base, and Galloway agreed to keep the operation off the official channels. As they headed to [[Oregon]], Optimus informed Lennox that the enemy was tapping powers they didn't fully understand. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}} Following the battle against the Initiative, Lennox and his men rounded up the surviving members and did clean up. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 6|Nefarious #6}}

Lennox accompanied a group of Autobots on a mission to halt Decepticons from trafficking weapons to Earth's human populace. The Decepticons got wise to the ruse quickly and began to attack, prompting Lennox to evac Galloway, all while the Director boasted that the bad guys ''almost'' believed he was a real arms dealer! As they were driving away, their vehicle was caught by Divebomb, who ripped open the roof of their vehicle and held its passengers hostage at gun point. Then Ironhide blew a hole through Divebomb. The remaining Decepticon, Fearswoop, surrendered, prompting Lennox to congratulate Ironhide on a job well done. As they were clearing out, Epps told Lennox that they were both getting too old for this line of work. Lennox was in disagreement, his enthusiasm for field work still burning bright as ever. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 1|Rising Storm #1}} When Sam called in that he was being attacked by a group of Decepticons, after the [[Brains|Brain Unit]] that he had stumbled onto, Lennox was deployed to help with the situation. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 2|Rising Storm #2}} Lennox's group arrived in Philadelphia just in time to rescue Sam from being killed by Starscream's hand. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 3|Rising Storm #3}} However, Lennox noticed something was off as the Autobots began to beat back the Decepticons. The Decepticons weren't fighting back, merely trying to make their getaway. The battle had turned out to be a diversion orchestrated by Shockwave in order to get to several Autobot refugees left behind at the NEST headquarters. Shockwave himself soon joined the battle, turning the tide in the Decepticons' favour. Though the Autobots managed to defeat Shockwave and send him fleeing, the victory was a slim one. Despite Lennox's protests, Epps retired from the force in the battle's aftermath. {{storylink|Rising Storm issue 4|Rising Storm #4}}
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===''The Veiled Threat''===
Lennox and Epps traveled to [[NEST]]'s [[Diego Garcia]] base on the ''[[Pearl of India]]'' and were amused when they were attacked by [[Erasto Khalfani|Somali pirates]], as Ironhide and Ratchet were also with them on the ship. On arrival they met with scientists [[Kaminari Ishihara]] and [[Petr Andronov]]. Decepticon activity resulted in a NEST team co-led by Lennox and Optimus Prime to [[Zambia]], where Lennox began to develop a mutually antagonistic relationship with Ishihara. They encountered [[Macerator (ROTF)|Macerator]], [[Payload (Movie)|Payload]] and [[Dropkick (Movie)|Dropkick]] at the Zambezi River. While Optimus, Ironhide and Ratchet fought them in the raging river, Lennox and Epps attempted to shoot the Decepticons with a modified stinger missile launcher, but were unable to get a shot off before they realized that it was a trap. Lennox attempted to attract the attention of the Autobots before they plunged off Victoria Falls. After [[Beachbreak]] saved Optimus from a plunge over the falls, even Lennox was moved to tears when the small Autobot was killed by Starscream. The NEST team pursued the Decepticons to a dam downstream, where Lennox, Epps and Andronov tracked down a technician to trigger the emergency release, resulting in Payload being washed away.

Returning to Diego Garcia, they barely had time to rest before there were two contacts in [[Peru]] and [[Australia]]. Lennox and Ishihara accompanied Optimus, Ironhide and [[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]] to the Australian outback, where they searched until they eventually encountered [[Kickback (ROTF)|Kickback]], [[Trample]] and [[Tread]]. Lennox managed to nail Kickback in the side of the head with a sabot shell, though it mostly made the Decepticon angry, and Lennox might have been killed if Optimus hadn't gotten to the Decepticon first. When Ishihara risked her life to help Ironhide destroy Tread, Lennox gave her a severe talking to. As they packed up, Lennox wished Epps was there so he wouldn't have to listen to Ironhide and Ishihara talking strategy all the way back to Diego Garcia.

During the debrief, Lennox was lost by the talk of volcanoes and other power sources that the Decepticons might be after. The Autobots were lured to [[Rome]], where Starscream challenged Optimus to a one-on-one duel. It turned out to be a trap, of course, and Starscream left Optimus to Barricade's tender mercies. Luckily Epp, Lennox, Ishihara and Andronov were around to distract Barricade by attacking him, allowing Prime to gain the upper hand, and the four humans escaped the Colosseum via a subway. {{storylink|Transformers: The Veiled Threat|The Veiled Threat}}

===Titan movie comics===
[[File:TitanLennox BUDDABUDDA.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|He shoots and asks questions at the same time: multitasking!]]

Lennox's primary mission was to locate all the [[Seeker (ROTF)|Seekers]] on Earth. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.10|Bring Me the Head of Optimus Prime}}

Lennox and Prime oversaw a mission in [[Los Angeles]] that [[Jolt (ROTF)|Jolt]] messed up. Galloway was pleased by this, as he was still angry about Lennox chucking him out of a plane and wanted revenge! {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.9|Culture Shock}} Lennox later oversaw a hostage crisis at the Alamo, a secret NEST armoury. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.12|Rules of Engagement}} Later still, he planned and carried out a sting operation against [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] alongside the [[United States Navy]], trying to stop the Decepticon from sinking ships. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.15|Making Waves}}

A different mission came along when the rainforests in [[Peru]] were devastated by an unknown, possibly alien force. Lennox and [[Redway|Doctor Redway]] of the ecological survey team did ''not'' get on, both seeing the other as getting in their way, but they put their differences aside when it became clear [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was in the area and manipulating the locals. In the ensuing battle, Lennox and [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] engaged the Decepticon and drove him off, before he ordered [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] to stop a fire that the battle had caused. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 2.17|The Kingdom of Starscream}}

He went back to South America a year later, going undercover with the [[Tanto Gang]] to confirm they were allied with Soundwave. With Autobots reinforcements (because Lennox found he couldn't do spit to Soundwave), he routed the Gang but NEST failed to stop Soundwave escaping. But at least he got to see the city of [[El Dorado]] before the Tanto Gang blew it up! Man, Lennox has ''no'' luck in South America. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 3.2|Gold And Blood}}
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===Transformers Annual 2011===
Lennox was at the NEST base when Decepticon activity was detected in [[Tokyo]]. He accompanied the Autobots there, and drove around in his jeep until Optimus had defeated Barricade and Grindor. At that point the Decepticons gloated that they were merely a diversion, and Optimus and Lennox realised that Sam was in danger! {{storylink|Sam in Danger}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game===
{{voiceactor|[[John DiMaggio]] (English)|[[Marc Saez]] (French)}}

====Xbox 360/Sony PS3/PC====
=====Autobot campaign=====

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{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)}}

===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' (mobile game)===
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{{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (mobile game)}}

==Toys==
===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TF2010-toy LennoxHA.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Autobot Jazz with Captain Lennox''' (Human Alliance, 2010)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RA-32'''

: Part of the first wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]] "[[Human Alliance]]" set, this 2-inch tall figure of Lennox is designed to work with the larger robot figures in the set (and any other Human Alliance robot). He can ride in/on their vehicle modes, or man the various "battle stations" on their robot modes, secured in seats by the small peg-hole in his upper back. Slightly simpler than the ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' figures, he has multi-swivel shoulders, hips and knees, plus a swiveling neck.

:This mold was [[retool]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Major Tungsten]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/HAWilliamLennox/williamlennox.htm More information on Captain Lennox at TFU.info]''
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==Merchandise==
===Robot Heroes===
[[File:RH-toy Lennox.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Desert Devastation''' (Multi-pack, 2009)

: ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'' Lennox is a pre-posed [[super deformed]] PVC figurine, sculpted with a super deformed gun, a scarily huge toothy grin, and a puke-green walkie-talkie.

: He was only available in a multi-pack with [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] and vehicle-mode [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/RHCaptWilliamLennox/captwilliamlennox.htm More information on ''Robots Heroes'' Lennox at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:Movie Figueroa cutscene.jpg|300px|thumb|By Grabthar's hammer, by the suns of Warvan, you shall be avenged!]]
[[File:Movie ScreenBattles Sector7figures.jpg|300px|thumb|Hey! It's me! Lennox!]]
* A later scene where Lennox comforts the dying Figueroa was cut from the theatrical release of the film, but briefly seen in the December 2006 trailer. The scene survived in both [[Transformers (novel)|the novelization]] and the [[Transformers: The Junior Novel|children's novelization]] where (despite many changes made to tone down descriptions of violence against ''robots'') he still died. Go fig!
* Early scripts give Lennox's rank as Sergeant.
* Lennox is given the nickname "Wild Bill" in the novelization. Whether this was a deliberate reference to the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' [[Wild Bill|character]] remains unknown.
* Josh Duhamel's left foot was injured by a piece of fake shrapnel during filming.<ref>Duhamel made fun of his minor injury during the Second Life Virtual Press Conference (the shrapnel was made of ''cork'' and it cut his ''pinky'') explaining that he wasn't allowed to do his own stunts.</ref>
* The '''Capture of Bumblebee''' set from the "Screen Battles" packs features what appear to be two [[Sector Seven]] soldiers, but one of them is obviously Lennox painted in Sector Seven colors. In fact, the Screen Battles "Desert Attack" set with [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] was originally supposed to come with four instead of three soldiers (with Lennox likely being the fourth), whereas the "Capture of Bumblebee" set was originally supposed to include four figures listed as "S7 Agent, S7 soldier, Ice soldiers". The "ice soldiers" were likely dropped for budget reasons, and Lennox moved to the "Capture of Bumblebee" set for the same reason.<ref name="checklist">[http://web.archive.org/web/20080920112933/http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=Collectors/Checklist Hasbro checklist]</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''William Lennox''' (ウィリアム・レノックス ''Wiriamu Renokkusu'')
*''Korean:'' '''William Lennox''' (윌리엄 레녹스 ''Willieom Renokseu'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''William Lennox''' (Taiwan, 威廉·藍尼 ''Wēilián·Lánní'')

==Footnotes==
{{Reflist}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Lennox William}}
[[Category:Dark of the Moon humans]]
[[Category:Human Alliance]]
[[Category:The Last Knight humans]]
[[Category:Movie humans]]
[[Category:NEST]]
[[Category:Sector Seven]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen humans]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Transformers (2010) characters]]
[[Category:United States military officers]]

Talk:Soundwave (ROTF)

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Talk:Grindor (ROTF)

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==Background==
Just out of curiosity, do any of the toy bios give an explanation on what Grindor's story is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 12:27, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
:No, it is just his personality. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:33, 22 June 2009 (EDT)

== Accuracy edit. ==

It has been confirmed that Blackout is dead, so I am deleting the part that says he might be Blackout.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 21:29, 22 June 2009 (EDT)
:Where was that confirmed? There's all kinds of back-and-forth on whether it was Grindor or Blackout. Here's Liam Shalloo claiming Roberto Orci has said it was supposed to be Blackout: http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=59821&view=findpost&p=1259230 ...I don't doubt the info, I just think we need to get some links to first-hand info that confirms one way or another, because I'm seeing a lot of arguing and people quoting credible sources without actually sourcing them. [[User:Lukeblast|Lukeblast]] 10:23, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::Grindor is the only one who is getting mainline toys, though. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:29, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::And Barricade is a definite example that if Hasbro considered him alive, they would have reused him.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 10:43, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah but what does the movie identify him as? Unless the end credits say something, I'm pretty sure he wasn't named at all. People not following the toyline would be forgiven for assuming it's Blackout. This comes under whether the movie is a seperate entity or considered connected to all the other materials. The Grinder toy is clearly Hasbro making some sense out of the movie (and scoring a new toy to boot) but the movie on its own doesn't explain who this is. Narrative convention (and I know that's kinda a bullshit term, but you know what I mean) makes it Blackout. Up to now, he's the only guy we've ever seen before that looks like that. No one else was introduced as a sepearte character.[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 14:53, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Don't forget that Grindor is a major playable character in the video games. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:52, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::When Dreamworks says Grindor's a misinformation name, i'm inclined to believe them.--[[Special:Contributions/86.87.28.191|86.87.28.191]] 17:03, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::When and where did "Dreamworks" say this? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:05, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Hey, when an anonymous dude says anything with no source, I'm inclined to believe them! It's a failing of mine. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:32, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::That's more or less what I'm getting at. Even people who aren't anon are throwing around information that can go either way. Some are claiming it came from credible sources, but I've seen no actual proof of those. I have no reason to doubt anyone and no desire to prove anyone wrong; in this case, who is right is less important to me than showing your work. Like many people, the wiki is my go-to site for TF information, and I'm finding that even here, a side has been taken with no conclusive proof that I can see. I'm just asking that a link or quote or something gets dug up and added to this. [[User:Lukeblast|Lukeblast]] 00:15, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Blackout is dead, and the guy in the movie is in Grindor's colors. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:29, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::What's the source for Blackout being dead? The first movie? Megatron was pretty dead too. What's the source for the guy in ROTF being Grindor? The toys? They aren't the movie (let's not forget that the toys also say Jazz and Bonecrusher are still alive). Aside from "Grindor" not standing still long enough for someone to really tell the difference in color between him and the nearly-identical guy from the previous movie, he's never named on-screen. The assumption that if Megatron was brought back, then so was Blackout is a likely one for the average moviegoer (and many fans) to make. Sam's Allspark fragment brought an entire kitchen to life and re-energized Jetfire. Why couldn't the much larger one used on Megatron have brought Blackout back as well? Not to keep harping the same point, but proof is a necessity. I'm seeing well-thought and logical arguments (and personally, I think it's Grindor too), but reasoned assumptions are not the same as sourced facts. [[User:Lukeblast|Lukeblast]] 02:32, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::::You can see Blackout's remains (in many peieces) among the wreckage to be disposed of on the deck of the aircraft carrier in the first movie.
::::The Decepticons had but one AllSpark fragment.
::::That's not Blackout in the ROTF movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:35, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Once again, Megatron was also in pieces. No one has said that Allspark fragments can only be used once (in fact, Sam's was used twice). The argument that he could be Blackout was just as reasonable, which is why I kept harping on the necessity for a sourced statement. Thankfully, the recent Q&A has provided one. I'm gonna link it and remove all doubt... well, I'm sure someone out there will still insist differently, but Hasbro's word trumps fan stubbornness. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.66.80|98.222.66.80]] 19:10, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::It's a common sense argument that anyone could easily accept. Unfortunately, it's been my experience that Wikis have to take canon over common sense, so here's hoping Hasbro backs it up. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 12:47, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Here's something to think about... ''If'' it was Blackout, you would see him erupting from the water beside his master Megatron, like the Constructicons and Ravage did. He was never seen doing that. What do you all think?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 12:59, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Kind of speculatey. Nearly everything about Blackout's personality was established in secondary media like comics, and I... just don't think the screenwriters or Bay thought that long and hard about his motivations.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:02, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Not to sound like I'm beating a dead horse, but this goes back to what I was mentioning earlier. Everyone is going to secondary sources such as the toys and books and Transformers previous incarnations to compute what, in the film itself, could be counted as actually film errors. A Blackout looking guy showing up even though he was dropped into the water last time. Multiple Constructicons. We can fannon it off that "yeah, there's probably multiple troops with the same body type" and "yeah, the toy says that's Grindor" but avarage movie goers don't know that. The movie doesn't state it, and the movie is, in many ways, considered a spliter timeline from the comics and toy lines and what not. It's its own continuity. [[Special:Contributions/98.235.18.165|98.235.18.165]] 15:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Such is the nature of a constructed reality.
:::::But is our own any less inconsistent, or any less artificial? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::But many of the supposed 'errors' in both the 2007 and 2009 movies ''were'' explained in the original scripts, but the explanations were simply trimmed for time. Those things are not 'errors' or after-the-fact explanations... they are simply things that were ''always'' true which did not make it on-screen.
:::::ROTF is messier, because it has a mix of things that ''do'' make sense if you go back to the original script (which in our case usually means the novel) and things for which explanations were created during-production by Hasbro or the game developers who were workign with the script and started adding to the events off-screen etc... and stuff that is being added after-the-fact to fix problems in the movie or simply fill 'holes.' ("Purple Motorcycle Autobot" seems to not have ''never'' had a name in the course of production. That's not really an error of any sort... it's just that the character's name, bio etc all got filled in later.)
:::::Plus the problems with IDW's expanded continuity, which is always a bit messy.
:::::So do we listen to Orci who says Arcee is a 3-body combiner? Or Hasbro who says it's 3 individuals, one of whom is Arcee? Does Orci ''lose'' his ability to pass judgment on what Arcee 'is' because the combining aspect was completely dropped from the film? "The picture of reality you are presenting is based on an early idea that was dropped. Justifying your picture of reality with the dropped idea invalidates it." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:49, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

== Welker credits according to his site ==

According to [http://www.mkbmemorial.com/FWHp/ Welker's official site], he voices Soundwave, Ravage (huh?), Devastator and Grindor (huh??). What do you guys think? Something to consider is Welker was credited for [[Reedman]], but it's not mentioned on this site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:42, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'm not entirely convinced that that wasn't updated by someone who read on Wikipedia that Welker voiced Grindor (particularly since it prominently uses of the term "vocal effects", which is how I personally wrote the original sentence on Wikipedia that described Welker's audio efforts for the non-speakers). That is not to say, of course, that Welker did NOT do the effects for Gindor: small as they are, that "sheeagh" when Prime rips his head apart is total Welker. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:45, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::I'd be willing to take it if we're looking for a justification to do away with this "we don't know who the helicopter in the movie is" nonesense (which really seems to a passive-aggressive form of ROTF butthurt) but McFeely is probably right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:35, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

== Accuracy edit pt 2 ==

Firstly it was confirmed at the premere in tokyo, but you can see for yourselves now that it's out here. Secondly, don't hound people so much.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 16:21, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:In what manner was it confirmed? How is Tokyi specific tot his? Are you saying that the movie itself somehow confirms this? Was the character's name mentioned in press-releases or interviews for the movie? Did the Japanese dub credit him as Grindor?
:Do you realize that your general hand-wave statement is terribly uninformative? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:37, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

== Protect ==

I say we protect this site as it's being hit by some douchebag annon user.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 12:57, 4 August 2009 (EDT)
:[[User:Jaw123|Jaw123]] isn't an anon though. [[User:Apcog|Apcog]]'s given him a warning, so if he keeps edit warring, stricter action may be taken. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:17, 4 August 2009 (EDT)

== Accuracy edit part 3 ==

Why are you all so fussy? And did any of you read the [[Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers|{{SITENAME_SHORT}} Hasbro Q&A for July 2009]] ? If you didn't, please do. Right now. And I won't keep wasting my time debating about this unless someone has a ''reliable'' source that says that Grindor is Blackout.[[User:Homey|Homey]] 20:49, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

== How big is Grindor exactly? ==

Alright so Blackout was about 33 or so feet tall if the Movie Guide is to be believed, but Grindor is nearly one and a half times taller than Optimus (who is 28 feet tall) is. Well, a MH-53 Pavelow is 88 feet long, 25 feet high, and I'd say about 10 feet wide or so...A CH-53 super stallion is 99 1/2 feet long, 27 3/4 feet tall and I'd say, twelve feet wide? So Grindor can't be that much bigger than Blackout. And yet he is indeed significantly taller despite only having a bit more dimension from his vehicle mode...can someone with the ROTF scale guide answer this for me?

He is 33 Feet Because Grindor is Blackout resurrected! [[Special:Contributions/77.86.81.52|77.86.81.52]] 12:49, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
:He is not a resurrected Blackout, Grindor and Blackout are totally different characters--[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 13:03, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
:Ok then why the tell does Grindor have rust on him then in the forest fight??? [[Special:Contributions/77.86.81.52|77.86.81.52]] 15:54, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
::That is a good point Grindor is pretty rusty in Revenge of the Fallen and rust only really shows when you have been in water, like what happend to Megatron. [[User:DOTM123|DOTM123]] 15:56, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
::: #1 You're going to have to prove that Grindor had different texturing than Blackout. Movieverse robots are notoriously dirty and battledamaged. You're also going to have to prove to me that Grindor's dirtiness is specifically rust, versus the same general wear-and-tear nearly every live-action Transformers robot has, and we don't really get many good, clear, and sharp looks at Grindor to really make out that sort of thing. I'm inclined to think the "he's got more rust than Blackout!" claim is kind of bullcrap.
::: #2 Things only rust if they've been submerged in water? That is super false.
::: #3 It was decided loooooong ago that Blackout isn't Grindor. It's going to take some real crazy-ass proof to shove the verdict the other direction. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:02, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Why is this such a long standing misunderstanding? There have been TFs that share body-types since day 1! Why should the movie-verse be any different? Particularly given the amount of time needed to make a new CGI rendering. As for the rust, maybe the 'copter he scanned was rusty. Remember, Bumblebee was pretty beat up and rusty as a 1976 Camaro. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:35, 24 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::Grindor is very sensitive about his case of cosmic rust and wishes people would stop bringing it up on his talk page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:00, 24 July 2011 (EDT)

== Blackout vs Grindor ==

Given how this misunderstanding keeps popping back up despite the multiple items related to it in the Notes sections, should we perhaps call a little more attention to it? I was thinking of a section that details where each name is used, under what circumstances and by whom. It would go on to explain that fiction that uses either name is covered on the relevant page (I don't know if there even is any fiction that uses Blackout in an ROTF setting) but fiction that does not specify is assumed to be Grindor per Hasbro's statement. This is basically the approach I used when making the [[Airrazor#Gender|gender]] subsection of Airrazor's page. Any feedback would be welcome. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:08, 27 July 2011 (EDT)
:I'm inclined to think that this is less a misconception and more a case of people wanting Blackout to not be dead (at the expense of Grindor, who's only really got any personality in the PS2 game), but I'm not opposed to it. It might be better served with an extensive writeup on the Misconceptions/Urban Legends page addressing things like the nonsensical claims by fake ILM employees mentioned on Blackout's Talk page and such. -[[User:LV|LV]] 08:28, 27 July 2011 (EDT)

== "Huge Russian Helicopter" ==

I just wanted to state, the aforementioned quote from the ROTF novel is false because the Super Stallion is an American built helicopter. Also, the founder of the company Sikorsky, which made the Stallion isn't Russian, he was a Ukrainian immigrant to the United States where started building choppers. So you couldn't even use the founder as an excuse. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 13:20, 22 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:I think you mean "erroneous", not "false". The novel actually calls him a "huge Russian helicopter". That is a fact. It does not match his design in toys or other media, so it could be an error. But it could just mean that in the particular universe represented by the novel he took on a Russian helicopter form instead of the Super Stallion mode he has in other universes. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:17, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
Fair point. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 20:32, 24 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Grindor (ROTF)

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Talk:Blitzwing (BB)

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''Starscream ended being revealed to be in the movie after all''

I do not believe that this correct. The footnote sources it to the Empire article which has this to say:

''We're swiftly disabused of that notion thanks to a barrage of familiar faces including Decepticon premiereship players Shockwave, Starscream and Blitzwing, all in their original, first generation forms.''

This is obviously an incorrect take on the trailer, as Blitzwing is assuredly not there in his "original, first generation form." We therefore can't take the article's identification of Starscream as definitive, especially given that this isn't the first time we've seen a Starscream-looking dude in a trailer, and he turned out named something else. Note that Starscream is not mentioned in any of the article's direct quotes of Travis Knight. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 16:59, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
:I understand what you mean, but in the background of the Shockwave shot, we see a bot that looks different than Blitzwing, and has more similarities to Starscream. We can especially tell because the international trailer shows us Blitzwing's body. If this ends being Blitzwing ''too'' (for some reason) than sure. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:30, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

== Triple Changer? ==

I will admit I haven't been reading every article published for the movie, but when did they say Blitzwing was a Triple Changer? I'm not seeing a source, so...
:I think SDCC with an interview with Knight? I think? There is also the fact in the trailer, he is a jet and has a toy of him that is a tank, and the prequel comics having tank kibble on him... I think. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 17:02, 8 October 2018 (EDT)

==wrong guy?==
In the prequel comics, there is definitely a guy named blitzwing. I dont think he is the starscream looking guy in the trailer, for a few reasons. In the trailer, he has red bits, but in the comics he is all grey/brown. In the comics, he sports a noticeably different head design than in the trailer. In the comics, the tank tread kibble is on his back, jutting up enough to see, but in the trailer, you see no tank treads when the angle should be giving a good view of the treads. In place of the treads are thrusters in the trailer. His toy is colored closer to the comic version, which backs up the comic blitzwing and the movie seeker being different. The head design on the toy is similar, but noticeably different from the seeker in the trailer. The toy has a tidal wave style “mohawk” crest, but the one in the trailer doesnt. The 2 vents on top of the head also dont align with blitzwing and the seeker. Could they be two seperate entities? Please reply your thoughts below. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 21:08, 18 November 2018 (EST)
:Bumblebee doesn't look like his movie self either, what is your point? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:23, 18 November 2018 (EST)
::Bumblebee looks like his Volkswagen design, as Far as I know [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 21:29, 18 November 2018 (EST)
::: [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/a/aa/BumblebeePrequelSketches.jpg A-hem]. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 21:36, 18 November 2018 (EST)
==legs==
His legs design and detail resemble g1 skyfires toy. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 17:19, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:No such thing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:30, 12 January 2019 (EST)

Flat, downwards angled black feet. Lower legs being curved and slightly wider than the upper leg. Little black and red details on the lower legs. It’s probably unintentional, but they do look eerily similar. [[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 20:26, 12 January 2019 (EST)
:You missed the point: there is no G1 Skyfire toy. ---[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 23:35, 12 January 2019 (EST)

You know what I mean. Jetfire and skyfire are the same character.[[User:YourBestPal|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal|talk]]) 18:42, 13 January 2019 (EST)
:It also looks like a bajillion other Japanese robot/mecha designs. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:02, 13 January 2019 (EST)
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==Does Blitzwing's voice actually change during the movie?==
I noticed while rewatching the scene where he and BumbleBee fight that Blitzwing's voice appears to change throughout it. When he shouts "DID YOU THINK YOU COULD HIDE?!" and says "Now you'll die screaming!", he sounds similar to his G1 incarnation. When he tries to interrogate Bee and removes his voicebox, He sounds more robotic and sorta sadistic. When he announces that Bee's a "Traitor to Cybertron" Blitzwing basically sounds like Shockwave from Transformers Prime with a few minor Vocal Effects added (Yes, I am aware they share a Voice Actor). Is this some sort of oversight by David Sobolov that was overlooked by the Editing Team? Perhaps even an intentional reference to his Animated incarnation? Or could it be that I'm overthinking this as usual? [[User:DrXshock|DrXshock]] ([[User talk:DrXshock|talk]]) 00:08, 22 February 2019 (EST)

== Studio Series ==

As many characters from the movies have gotten Studio Series figures, including characters from Bumblebee, is it likely that HasTak will make a Blitzwing toy?

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Talk:Blackout (Movie)

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Talk:Transformers: The Last Knight (film)

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==Allspark Pictures==
I tried to find info on whether Allspark Pictures was involved with this, but the press release they put out when Meghan McCarthy joined just says "Paramount" beside Transformers 5, while Jem and the Holograms says "Univeral & Allspark Pictures", so it appears AP isn't going to be involved with Transformers 5? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:29, 21 September 2015 (EDT)

==New Characters==
Does anyone know if these characters are confirmed to be in the movie? Cyclonus, Scourge, Blitzwing, Red Alert, Ultra Magnus and Unicron? [[User:Wavage|I am Wavage! Fear mweee!!! ]] ([[User talk:Wavage|talk]]) 04:46, 4 April 2016 (EDT)
:No, that's all rumor, and more-than-likely made up. If it was confirmed, it would be on the page. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:18, 4 April 2016 (EDT)
::Yeah, last time they didn't release the robot cast list until pretty close to the movie's release. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:34, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

==Confirmed Characters==
Here is a video of all of the confirmed characters in Transformers: The Last Knight.

[https://m.youtube.com/?reload=7&rdm=2ifxdj133#/watch?v=-REVTNFkFwY| All of the Confirmed Transformers][[User:Lockhqu|Lockhqu]] ([[User talk:Lockhqu|talk]]) 16:37, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:Believe or not, some guy on YouTube talking about leaked information isn't actually official confirmation that characters are in the film. Unless a YouTube video has been uploaded by the official Transformers or Paramount channels, it's very unlikely to be a valid source for the wiki. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:32, 3 April 2017 (EDT)

==Voice Actors==

Megatron:

Was it not confirmed that Frank Welker is voicing Megatron? From that Reveal Your Shield video. [[User:SeanTF1967|SeanTF1967]]
:Pretty sure it's been confirmed seeing as [http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/04/24/transformers-reveal-shield-day-1-frank-welker-peter-cullen-voice-masks-337752 the Megatron mask will have his voice.]. [[User:Rotary|Rotary]] ([[User talk:Rotary|talk]]) 22:40, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
Then can someone edit the character section and edit that in that Frank Welker is voicing Megatron? [[User:SeanTF1967|SeanTF1967]]
:I'm sure Welker is only doing the voice work for the Mask & the Movie's Merchandice. It's Best you've wait until the movie is out. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 21:07, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
::I guess it's possible, but it'd be kinda weird when Welker was doing the voice in the previous movie... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:34, 20 May 2017 (EDT)

Cogman:

http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/05/15/new-still-transformers-last-knight-writers-room-interview-338979 This link confirms that Jim Carter voiced Cogman, could someone please edit this in? [[User:SeanTF1967|SeanTF1967]]
:Sorted. Though we already knew this from the fan event, I think? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:25, 15 May 2017 (EDT)
Yes we did, but the confirmation doesn't hurt. Especially since it was posted and removed, so I just thought I would post the official confirmation. [[User:SeanTF1967|SeanTF1967]]

Unrelated to voice acting, this video confirms that Jerrod Carmichael plays the character "Desi". https://youtu.be/pGmcq3FFjt0 [[User:SeanTF1967|SeanTF1967]]

Remaining Characters:

http://m.imdb.com/title/tt3371366/fullcredits/cast?ref_=m_tt_cl_sc This link provides information of the voice actors for the remaining decepticons and autobots in the roster. I'm suprised to see that Erik Aadahl is voicing bumblebee. [[User:JangoPrime365|JangoPrime365]]
:IMDB is Not Accurate at All. Sorry. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:55, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

Merlin:

The full Empire Magazine article reveals Santiago Cabrera plays Merlin. http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/transformers-the-last-knight-editors-crew-with-michael-bay.1109039/#post-14624250 [[User:SeanTF1967|SeanTF1967]]
:Debunked. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 04:55, 19 June 2017 (EDT)

== Add in one or some of the official posters on the page ==

Well we already have about three posters featuring Optimus, Bee, a shield and a Cybertronian Knight. I think we should add it on the page right now.

==Wheelie?==
Where's the source on this guy being in the movie? [[User:BT383|BT383]] ([[User talk:BT383|talk]]) 06:00, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
:He's visible in at least one of the trailers. He's seen hanging out next to Sqweeks while Bumblebee has his voice worked on (but not fixed) in what looks like Cade's junkyard workshop. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 08:12, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== Viviane Wembly, not Vivian Wembley ==

Read this old article: http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/05/27/transformers-last-knight-viviane-wembly-profile-339676 The site is TFW2005, but the profile description is from the official Facebook page of Transformers films. [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] ([[User talk:CAJH|talk]]) 05:56, 6 June 2017 (EDT)

== Infernocons ==

Didn't the toyline tell that [[Infernocon]]s are servants of [[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]], not Decepticons? [[User:CAJH|CAJH]] ([[User talk:CAJH|talk]]) 03:11, 15 June 2017 (EDT)

== exclusive shirt? (no pics) ==

i don't go to the movie theater very often. Is this rare? Is this licensed? Is this something TFWiki would cover?

:https://www.amctheatres.com/movies/optimus-prime-time-event-transformers-the-last-knight-54009
:It’s OPTIMUS PRIME TIME. Humans and Transformers are at war and the key to the future lies in the hidden history of Transformers on Earth. Watch the war unfold on Tuesday, June 20 at 7:00pm for THE OPTIMUS PRIME TIME Event. Ticket holders will see TRANSFORMERS: THE LAST KNIGHT one hour early in 3D, and will also receive a collector's t-shirt and event lanyard.

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 18:54, 23 June 2017 (EDT)

== Caption theme ==

When the time comes, what should we do for the caption theme this time? TF1 was the '86 movie, ROTF was ''Empire Strikes Back'' (due to hype the sequel was the ESB of Transformers, yada yada), DOTM was ''Wrath of Khan'' (Sentinel/Leonard), AOE was ''Jurassic Park'' (Dinobots). What could we do for TLK?

Maybe we should do one of Bay's other films since this is (totally) his last one, as a tribute to it? In that case, maybe ''Armageddon'' since it's probably the best known of his non-Transformer films? I see the poster right now has an Indy quote, though, so if we're going with Indy that's cool too. I have some early ideas for image captions.

* Shot of Cybertron approaching the Moon - Quote about the size of the asteroid
* Optimus vs Bumblebee - Presumably some quote between Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck
* Either a group shot of the Decepticons or Megs negotiating with TRF - Quote from Bruce Willis about assembling his crew
* London chase - "COME AND GET POPPA BEAR!!!"
* Final shot with the Autobots and humans as Optimus is about to lead the 'Bots back to Cybertron - "Leaving on a jet plane" lyrics

Just an idea that I typed up as I went along. --[[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 04:11, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
: There's no way that it shouldn't be Monty Python and the Holy Grail. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 05:44, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
::I'm still in favour of The Last Crusade. I mean, the titles match, you've got Nazis, you've got ancient knights protecting a thing, a university professor, comedy old guy... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:04, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
:::I'd say ''Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade'' as well. While Holy Grail ''is'' natural, it's ''expected''. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 06:14, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
::::We're also already doing a page of Holy Grail references over on "[[A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court]]," and we're above repeating ourselves! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 06:57, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
::::: Ah, Monty Python was a good idea but yeah best avoid repetition. ''Last Crusade'' sounds cool, I thought ''Armageddon'' sounded good as I was falling asleep last night but it's whatever if nobody is down for it. What ideas do you guys have for screencaps and captions? I think I got at least five obvious candidates for screencaps, and even better 4/5 of those were already shown in trailers so we can actually manage to implement them. - [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 22:28, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::Well, "Nazis. I hate these guys." for the WWII flashback, obviously. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:39, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::I haven't actually seen ''Last Crusade'' ("You uncultured swine!"), so sounds good! Just glad to get a conversation started about the captions. - [[User:Chopperface|Chopperface]] ([[User talk:Chopperface|talk]]) 17:12, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
::::::::Eh, I want it to be Dragon Ball Z Themed since we do got a Dragon in it. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 02:50, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::Aside from all the other possible responses to that, RiD2015 Season 2 1/2 already has a DBZA theme. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 03:55, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::::::Well not really DBZA but captions that are like from the Actual Dubs. But that's just my 2 cents. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 17:27, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::May I make a request? If someone puts up an image of Optimus decapitating the Infernicons, it deserves to have the "this is how we say goodbye" exchange (maybe the end bit - "I prefer the Austrian way of saying goodbye." "So do I."). [[User:Smasher|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher|talk]]) 19:10, 9 August 2017 (EDT)

==Volleybot==
Wouldn't having a new head and (technically) a new name make Volleybot and Topspin different guys? It would also feel strange for an established Autobot to not be with the rest of the crew; I personally took Volleybot to be an unaligned new-arrival like Daytrader. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 03:03, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:There's not really any way to tell for sure. Personally, I kinda suspect that Leadfoot's head was used because it was rigged for full facial animation and Topspin's wasn't... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:39, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
::Good Point. Me? I just consider it as Topspin growing a Beard. [[User:Energizer|Energizer]] ([[User talk:Energizer|talk]]) 15:33, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
::I agree with Jalaguy. Nobody in the general audience would notice. I'd bet a lot of Transformers fans wouldn't notice. I've said before and will say again...if the guy he's playing soccer with in that first shot is Roadbuster, I don't think there can be any case that it's not Topspin. That may need to wait for home video. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 18:37, 27 June 2017 (EDT)

==Starscream's head==
Obviously its degree of damage changed, which should be noted in terms of continuity, but why is Starscream's head moving an error? Daytrader transported it. Was he the first one? Things move around. It's not like it's being presented as having not moved since his death. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 18:37, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
:Especially when "Age of Extinction" specifically establishes that people were scavenging stuff from the battle sites in Chicago and selling it online. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:43, 27 June 2017 (EDT)
::Speaking of the head, why was the error of Megatron calling Starscream "My treacherous old friend" removed? Starscream is never shown to be treacherous in any of the movies!--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 19:30, 2 July 2017 (EDT)
:::It was greatly implied in the second movie that Starscream would have had abandon Megatron to death and Megatron was well aware of this fact. Plus these TFs are thousands of years old and we've only seen a few years of their life. For all we know, Megatron was referring to Starscream's exploits back on Cybertron.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 20:02, 2 July 2017 (EDT)
::::So basically "refering to something vague that happened offscreen". In other words, fanservice not actually backed up by prior installments.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 04:34, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
:::::That is not an error. A nitpick, at most, but not an error in any capacity that this wiki recognizes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 04:41, 3 July 2017 (EDT)
::::::@Nevermore, You say it's "fanservice not actually backed up by prior installments", I say it might be evidence for Starscream's previous off-screen exploits (or Megatron simply referring to the second movie). Just because movie Starscream acted loyal in Megatron's presence doesn't mean he's not treacherous, especially since it was heavily implied in the previous films and Megatron was shown to be perfectly aware of it. It's in no way an error, it's technically not a condradiction.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 10:27, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

==Hot Rod's "original"/temporary voice actor==
Before Omar Sy was cast, he had a different voice actor (you can hear it in the MTV Movie Awards clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtY-ky9yQEg ). The line "She's very difficult!" was never redubbed by Omar Sy, it seems, as in the final film that single line is still delivered by his "original" voice actor, not Omar Sy. I added this to the technical errors but it was removed, so I felt I should explain myself here.[[User:RazorSlash|RazorSlash]] ([[User talk:RazorSlash|talk]]) 19:52, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
:Ah, okay, I'm with you. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 10:11, 3 July 2017 (EDT)

==Box Office==
"Internationally, however, the film did $196.2m in the same first five days and a whopping $123.4m of that came from China alone[8](who love the franchise so much delaying The Last Knight reduced 2016 cinema growth to 3%, down from 48% in 2015!)[9] The Chinese were expected to spend up to $290m on the film's run. [10]"

[https://www.forbes.com/sites/robcain/2017/06/30/transformers-stupendous-82-friday-to-friday-collapse-is-one-for-the-record-books/ Yeah, about that.][[User:PCNTRP|PCNTRP]] ([[User talk:PCNTRP|talk]]) 21:11, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

== Knight ship ==

Anyone remember if the Knights' hidden ship was called anything in particular? I don't, and we're already using the namespace "[[Knight Ship]]" for Lockdown's ship. What do we call the ship from this movie? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:06, 4 July 2017 (EDT)
:"Knight ship (TLK)"? "Knights of Iacon ship"? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:18, 5 July 2017 (EDT)

== Roadbuster ==

Was he there or not? I didn't get a thorough look at the silhouettes during my viewing so I'm willing to believe. But he's been removed from the character list now, and his TLK appearance from his own page; every other page and mention of the Wreckers still includes him in Cuba with Topspin/as a survivor. So which is it? [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 10:38, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

== Bumblebee Doesn't Just Appear ==

I re watched the movie at my local theater and you can see Bee climbing down a rope when Optimus demands the staff from Vivian.

==Northrop Autobot==

When exactly does this guy appear. I don't remember seeing a Northrop vehicle in the movie, perhaps in part to it being hard to remember everything in an action packed, fast paced movie. If someone could make a page recounting when he appears and what he does in the film like with the Hurricane Autobot, this would be ideal.[[User:AirjitzuRonin|AirjitzuRonin]] ([[User talk:AirjitzuRonin|talk]]) 01:48, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
:Judging by the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Transformers:_The_Last_Knight_(film)&diff=1187016&oldid=1187013 edit comment] it's in one of the scenes with Simmons, though I don't recall what's being referred to there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:16, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
::It's the plane they fly over to England in-I thought I remembered Simmons saying there's no way a plane that old should be able to fly, but that might be me misremembering. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 02:28, 13 August 2017 (EDT)
:::Oh. I remember now. thank you. [[User:AirjitzuRonin|AirjitzuRonin]] ([[User talk:AirjitzuRonin|talk]]) 22:00, 13 August 2017 (EDT)

==Potential lock==
We are clearly going to have to remove incorrect Roadbuster and Jolt additions to the cast page every single day for the rest of creation if this page isn't locked for editing. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 22:45, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:I have told Crosshair not to re-add it without discussion. Hopefully they'll pay attention. The head in the video linked to in the edit summary does not look at all like Jolt's head to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 07:51, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
::A big reason for Roadbuster being added is probably because of the Tfwiki pages for the [[Wreckers]] and [[Roadbuster (DOTM)]] list Roadbuster as being in the movie. This is probably the main source of confusion. Also If if you lock it, you should watch the movie again on Home Video where you could pause and check. -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 23:04, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
:::It lists him on those pages because the same people who keep adding him to the movie character list have been adding it to those other pages and it's hard to keep stamping it out. People thought he was in Cuba. He's not. Those are Junkheap models. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 23:25, 20 September 2017 (EDT)

== Knight Designation Names ==

Some of the Knights in the movie were given Concept Art with name designations, e.g. Ancient Knight, similar to the [[Talisman Knight]]. Should we make pages for these characters and add them to the list of Knights? -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:58, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:All but one of those concept designs (the guy with a Celtic cross on his chest and a big axe) have ''actual'' names from their toys and are already on the list. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:03, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
::The knight with the Celtics cross was dubbed Guardian Knight (https://www.instagram.com/p/BXQ7_onFKmQ/?taken-by=furio_tedeschi). There was another who didn't get a toy dubbed Ancient Knight (https://www.instagram.com/p/BYhhB3FHbJK/?taken-by=wes_burt), which was who I was specifically refering to when I said Ancient Knight. Last but not least, Samurai Knight (https://static.seibertron.com/images/movie/uploads/1505923731-the-last-knight-syfy-exclusive-concept-art-01.jpg) -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 18:53, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Did you watch the movie? "Guardian Knight" is their group name as spoken by Stormrazor. "Ancient Knight" and "Samurai Knight" didn't appear in the movie. And "Talisman Knight" is an ad hoc designation the wiki came up with. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:23, 23 September 2017 (EDT)
::::Yeah that's true. If one is called Guardian Knight they minus well all be called Guardian Knight. Guess I just wasn't thinking it through. -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 20:44, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

== Grimlock Speaks ==

After rewatching the movie on DVD, when Grimlock came out of nowhere to battle the Decepticons in the abandoned town, you here Grimlock roaring something unintelligible. However, the subtitles say "Freeze!", and when Grimlock is roaring and no else is talking, and when you listen to the roar again with the "Freeze!" in your mind, his roar does sound like the word freeze, so was Grimlock the one who said "Freeze!"? -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 00:23, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:That's Barricade. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:50, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::Oh okay. Didn't realize that. Thanks. -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 11:05, 1 October 2017 (EDT)

== Lieutenant ==

The credits say Mark Ryan voiced the World War 1 Tank/Lieutenant. We know the World War Tank 1 is Bulldog, but who is Lieutenant? It has to be the Spitfire Autobot. He's old, so he is might be a lieutenant? Also, the Spitfire Autobot did talk, but we don't know his voice actor since we don't know his name. The only character who didn't get named and was voiced was the Spitfire Autobot. So the Spitfire Autobot has to be Lieutenant who is voiced by Mark Ryan. And also the Lieutenant can't just be another name for Bulldog because slashes in the credits are different charcters, i.g. Crosshairs/Nitro Zeus. -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 00:34, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:Thanks Saix. [[User:Notirishman|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 16:48, 10 February 2018 (EST)

== Errors ==

Isn't Starscream's head exploding in DOTM but being intact in TLK an error? Isn't Optimus and Ironhide in old war photos in TLK but crashing to earth in 2007 in the first movie an error? Why were these errors removed? -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 09:50, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:His head exploded off him. Its certainly more intact than it should be, but it's not necessarily an error. And as for your second question, we also thought that Bumblebee had only just arrived on Earth in the first film, yet he's clearly been on it longer than we thought/has been there before. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:50, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::What about Optimus and Ironhide? I'm only asking because we actually saw them crash to Earth in their protoforms, unlike Bumblebee. -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 11:03, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::It's a retcon. It used to be they didn't arrive on Earth until 2007. Now they have arrived at some point or another. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:08, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::::Huh. I see. So I guess it is fair to assume that Optimus and Ironhide came to Earth a while back to assist Bumblebee and Hot Rod and left to go back to Cybertron. -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 11:23, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::Or those aren't Optimus and Ironhide at all. That happens a lot in these movies. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 14:47, 1 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::True, true. Should we mention that and the retcon? -[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:24, 1 October 2017 (EDT)

== Cut scenes. ==

Has anyone been able to compile a list of scenes that were cut? I noticed in the special features a couple from the junkyard including Jimmy firing his blaster and a scene with Izzy talking to Crosshairs in the junkyard.

Anyone seen any more behind the scenes footage showing stuff like this?

== Attack of the Autobots Reference? ==

The part in The Last Knight, when Bumblebee uses his voice to free Optimus Prime from mind control, could that have been a reference to the G1 Episode Attack of the Autobots?
In Attack of the Autobots, The Decepticons put Prime, and few other Autobots under Mind Control when they went to recharge making them attack other bots, people, and things. Bumblebee was sent alone who received a device from Wheeljack I believe that can cure him. Bee confronts Prime, Prime swats him, and lifts him up, belly showing, which looks eerily similar when Nemesis picks Bee up, right before he slams Bumblebee on his knee, ripping off his wings in The Last Knight. In Attack of the Autobots, Bumblebee talks down the mind controlled Optimus, hearing his voice calmed him down long enough for Bumblebee to put the device on him curing him of Mind Control.
:Just seems like standard mind control story stuff to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:32, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

== Canopy Alt Mode ==

I know that he doesn't possess an alternate mode in the film, but would it be possible for him to have an alt mode ''before'' the film in which he appeared? [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 17:01, 3 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
: I'm pretty sure he ''does'', he just doesn't transform. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:21, 3 July 2019 (EDT)
My theory is that maybe he used to, but he got too damaged and then he couldn't transform anymore so decided to make a shell for hiding. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 18:16, 9 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)

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Skywarp Prime: /* Main Picture */ new section

Prime's offical bio was released a few days ago. Shouldn't it go in here?

Read your talk page more often. Explanation was there. Suffice to say, posting the bio, word for word, is a no-no.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 11:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I never read my talk page. Who in their right mind would want to talk to me

The captions under the pictures in this article are inapropriate and rude {{unsigned|Pirakafreak24}}
:I'm sorry you lack a sense of humor. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

==Unreleased Toy?==
My friend recently sold me a "prototype Mcdonalds" O.P. for 4 bucks along with some other figures. Teletraan 1 does not have an entry on this odd toy, and I am gretly curious as to what the heck this toy is: [img]http://gallery.zealot.com/data/500/medium/000_0017.JPG[/img]

==Top image==

Derik, on-screen Movie characters need to have Dreamworks images at the top of their pages. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:18, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:...why? If a character appears in multiple media we seem to pick whatever shows the character off best. This book (being a retelling of the movie) probably isn't the best example, but if we got a great image of Prime by Geoff Senior in the UK Mag, can we never use that?
:(I'm not disagreeing that there ''is'' a good argument for reverting to the original picture,but I'm not sure I agree with your statement that Dreamworks renders are ''automatically'' the only acceptable main image. Frankly, I think a ''lot'' of Dreamworks images look bad when not in motion.)

-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:Because we need the top-quality Dreamworks renders on every on-screen character's page in any case, and putting them on top creates consistency like a legitimate encyclopedia. You added a ''great'' image, but it belongs down further. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:50, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::I still prefer that render of the actual CG model used in the movie than the low-res, low-detail promotional CG model render we're using now. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, let us use that one. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 22:03, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Apparently we can't. They decided that the movie design looked ugly and that was the end of discussion, evidently. I, on the other hand, think the lower-detail design from late 2005/2006 that the toys are based upon looks... incomplete (I mean the front of the hood just becomes these little nubs under his windows!) and not as visually impressive as the final version. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:10, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

:''Images removed''

I'm looking at these 4 images- and I'm really not seeing the huge differences between the designs of 2 and 3 that you're describing. Where does his hood go on #2 version that it doesn't in #3? #3 looks liek a rougher, simpler (better proportioned) model, but of the final design to me. And ''any'' way you cut it, i think #1 and #2 are the ''ugliest'' pictures in this lineup.

<nowiki>#</nowiki>1's shoulder is coming out of his crotch, for instance. If the final image misleads the eye about spatial relationships then it's ''badly composed''. The abstract knowledge that it is a 3d model and thus spatially perfect does not change the fact it it a terrible 2D image. #3 has displeasing proportions- and frankly is boring and inspiring, capturing none of Prime's character. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if it matters to anyone. But I prefer images 3 and 4. #1 is AWEFUL. #2 is boring. #3 is decent. #4 Is the best image, objectively, but of course isn't CGI.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::It' not like we're locked into the CGI- we don't use it for [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s main image. If anything we seem to like having [[Terrorsaur (BW)|some variety]] to the sources we use. That said- this ''is'' Prime, and I'd like to have a Dreamworks image if we could find one that doesn't suck. It's not like we're locked into 'Okay it MUST be one of the Dreamworks promo images,' or that any image we choose is permanent. Once the Blue-ray of the movie comes out we'll have lots of images to choose from (Not the mention the promised intermezzo story.)
::I happen to think [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/we_are_waiting.jpg this] is a gorgeous image, and even though it's of Prime's back, it captures something central to his character, and unique to the Movie version, the decision to make Earth not just a second home like in every other continuity ever- but an ''only'' home. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:What does the first picture have to do with anything? That's the old design anyway, and it seems most people hate that pose. The hood on the final model is more obviously hood-shaped and sits there on his torso. On the earlier design, they become red, for a lack of a better word, ''shapes''. It is, by comparison, a poor CG model to the actual movie one, and the only thing going for it is its HEROIC POSE. But I can already see that maintaining such a differing opinion will be to no avail. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:08, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::You're all disdainful of the heoric pose. Why? Do you think that the main image should be lifeless and dead as long as it's correct? It's not like these are the only two renders of Prime out there. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm not a fan of the model, not the pose. Those stupidly long blue things on his forearms appear to have been shorted or folded on the movie model. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that for an article on movie Prime, the picture should be one of his actual movie appearance, rather than an adaption of that appearance from other media. It just seems more...relevant. Also, despite the plethora of suitable images out there, there isn't a single, clear, full-body shot of Prime's movie appearance on the page. Does that seem right to you? Also, we have to think of what people want when they search for something; if they're searching for movie Prime, it's movie Prime we should give them first and foremost, rather than an adaption.
:You're replying to a 6 year old conversation. I think the image we have now was decided on after this conversation. (also, sign your posts.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 22:14, 20 August 2013 (EDT)

Could we please change the main picture, that cartoonish picture really threw me off when I first started using this website. Why not use one of the many Cgi renders from the 3 movies? [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 15:27, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:No. We don't change an image just cause 1 person doesn't like it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 15:34, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::It seems with all the promo renders out there we could have found something better than that, it dosen't even look that accurate, with the colors. But maybe this is just me. [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 15:40, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::The only real guideline for mainpics is that they depict the character in their original Earth form. There's no reason that they have to be sourced from the media that created those models. For instance, several TFP characters use art from a How To Draw TF Prime book for their mainpic rather than renders of the show model. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:53, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::In general, we aim for variety. -[[User:LV|LV]] 15:56, 14 September 2013 (EDT)

==Fiction==

Someone else had already added in some information from the prequel comics in the top paragraph, so I just rearranged it to the bottom with a spoiler tag. If we're not supposed to put fiction in yet, I'm sorry. -[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 14:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

== EW Interview canonical? ==

How do we want to treat the new Entertainment Weekly intereview with movie Prime? It was apparently written by the screenplay writers and was (likely?) approved by Hasbro to see print, does that make it official canon? We HAVE set a president of a sort by counting things like [[Toaster]] and the "ask vector prime" info, though those were from first party sources and this is in a second party source but was likely approved by first party? So, um yeah, is that official enough? I ask because though tounge-in-cheek it mentions things like movie Ratchet's wedding that might deserve a passing light-hearted mention on his page. If we are taking Toaster and Blaster's sister as cannon then is this any different? Thoughts? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 01:35, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know how likely or not it was to have been Hasbro approved. Given how meta-jokingly it's written -- with Optimus and Megatron being actors who play Optimus and Megatron in the movie, Megatron being such a method actor it's best to avoid him when he's in-character because he might vaporize you -- I'm not really sure how to treat it as "canon."

:Also, I feel I must nitpickingly point out that, technically, the reference isn't to ''movie'' Ratchet's wedding, as that answer comes in response to a question about whether Optimus kept up with "his old Autobot buddies from the show," and we of course are treating the movie and G1 characters as separate entities. ;) --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:56, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

::I agree it's a tricky call, which is why I bring it up. I'd guess anything written by the screenwriters as promo for the movie in a major publication like EW would have had to have some kind of official OK/oversite. The "meta" side of it, being tounge in cheek and breaking the third wall and all that is an issue too, but at the same time we include things like the tounge-in-cheek, third-wall-breaking Botcon scripts, UK letters page, and ask Vector Prime which all proceed from similar footing. It's worth debate at least. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

In a similar vein, what about Sarah Silverman being a Transformer? All that MTV awards show shpiel had to have been approved at least by Dreamworks. It's no more ridiculous than any of the other examples listed above. Less funny, but that's Sarah Silverman for you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:39, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

== OP's face ==

Should it be added in that Optimus will still have his retractable face plate as seen in earlier concept work (now confirmed by official screenshots) and that he looks a lot like a robotic Peter Cullin? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:45, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== What went wrong? ==

What the fuck just happened? I edited the "Fast Action Battlers" section, and now it's fucked up! What did I do wrong? Does this Wiki have a mind of it's own, and it craves incorrect information, thus if I try to correct it it screws me over?

I honestly dont know either bud. I wish they would say SOMTHING more then what their saying about all of the Fast Action battlers. A wiki should be unbais. Btw: Since this is the talk page, I just thot I'd throw in an OPINION, but my OPINION is that I think Fast action Starscream, Ratchet, and Brawl are pretty close to the "real" versions of them, and a nice alternative when u wanna save a few bucks. (with the latter...the former..not so much, but its a nice alternative to him, and the cannon is more accurate)--[[User:Chipmonk3288|Chipmonk3288]]

== FAB and G1 prime two-pack ==
"For some reason the Classics Prime toy is designated "1984 Optimus Prime", even though he was released in 2006." I'd love to edit out this stupidity, but last time I tried it screwed up the format of the text. Can somebody tell me what I did wrong, or just fix the mistake themselves? --[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 10:57, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:What's wrong with it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

::And don't call my work stupid. I'm responsible for most of the toy sections on this wiki these days,and most are uncompromisingly 'straight' in comparison to the rest of this place. That was a moment of left-of-field levity - I was pointing out the fact a crappy G1 Prime toy from 2006 that sort of looks like G1 Prime is flogged as '1984 Prime' even though he ''technically'' isn't. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:49, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:::It's meant to represent G1 Prime, and it does a fairly good job, because I think "g1" when I look at the toy. No matter, though, it seems to have been corrected.--[[User:MrMania|Sav]] 08:11, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Leader class figure factory irregular ==

I recently picked up a leader class prime and when I tried to transform it, one of its elbows wouldn't bend. at first I thought it was the screws, but upon closer inspection, the two arm parts had fused solid! is it my figure or a larger oversight on hasbros part?

== Peter cullen figure? ==

I want pics. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:10, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
: [http://tfkenkon.com/g/?mode=view&album=Collection%2Fact442&pic=movie_robot_vision_optimus_prime08.jpg&dispsize=1000&start=0 Bam.] [[User:70.55.207.104|70.55.207.104]] 09:38, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==spare pic==
<nowiki>[[:Image:MovieOptimusPrime_promorender2.jpg|Old low-detail promo render pic]]</nowiki> --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

==Main pic==
How about we discuss it before changing the picture? Especially (as I pointed out in the image talk of render3), this old render picture is based on the outdated design. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:50, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:There's been more discussion on this ''somewhere'' where we went full-circle around ''this is not the final design / the final design has less pleasing proportions / there are no CGI images of the final design that doesn't look goofy''.
:Does anyone have the DK I-0can-read book 'Meet the Autobots'? The hand-illustrated image of Optimus Prime standing on Earth on the final page is (I think) the final design, and I think it'd make a ''fantastic'' main pic for the article. (Unfortunately I bought the guidebook instead, so... anyone want to scan?) -04:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh man, we totally ''need'' to have that picture on the article somewhere. It's fantastic. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 21:27, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:::In the book this images occurs (I think) ''after'' the closing monologue of the movie, with Optimus thinking that 'life is good' on his new home. Could it go at the end of the movie section? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:37, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:Can we change it now? There has got to be something better. How about [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA.jpg|this]] or [[:Image:Defiance4 coverA original.jpg|this]]. There used to be a ROTF poster of Prime out there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:16, 7 May 2009 (EDT)
::Hearing no objection... - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]]
:::I think it would be badass if we used a screenshot of him cutting off Bonecrusher's head with the caption "Freedom is the right of all sentient be ... oh slag that."[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 15:30, 4 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I think LG or one of the recent TV spots has a shot of Prime with his Ion Blaster out and about to shoot someone in the head (I guess). If we could get a good, clear shot of that, that would be awesome.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 19:08, 4 June 2009 (EDT)

== Siblings? ==

I know that OP calls Megatron "Brother" in the movie, but are they actually siblings, or was Optimus speaking metaphorically (as Optimi tend to do)? If it's stated in the prequel comics, that's fine, but if it's only from one line in the movie I have to contend it. -[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:37, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, they are siblings. Its in the comics, kids books, novelisation ect, as I understand it. They toned down the reference to that one line in the movie for some reason, as the references were apparently more prevalent in the older draft. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:57, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I thought he was just having a Hulk Hogan momemt. -- [[User:69.182.245.28|69.182.245.28]] 06:31, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== His father ==
So one of the video games has a cutscene where Optimus says to Jazz that Megatron "took my father's spark". Did Activision bother to give the brothers' father a NAME in any of the games? -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Not the console version.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Another fun addition ==

I added basic information about the new "First Strike" Prime. Should be enough to suffice.

== Videos mentioned in the trivia section... ==

I've only found poor quality videos from YouTube of that Burger King and the MTV thing - do higher res/quality ones exist? (And should we put links in so people can see them? I honestly didn't know about them until I read the page).

== Giftcard and DVD Case Primes ==

Okay, I've hot a question... The Target giftcard and DVD cases that unfold into flat versions of Optimus Prime... Do they belong in the Merchandise section, and if so, does anyone have decent pictures of them? --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 18:35, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rearranging the toy list? ==

Should we rearrange the toy list sorted by molds? Currently it's a mess, it doesn't even exactly follow the release order; and even though Robo-Vision Prime ''was'' released ''after'' regular Voyager Prime, having them listed in this order and then calling Robo-Vision Prime a "redeco" of Voyager Prime is kinda iffy.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 21:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
: So. Any objections to this?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:11, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
::Robo-Vision Prime preceded Voyager Prime by a very hefty margin. Technically Voyager Prime's the redeco here.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

==Voyager Class shoulder cannons?==

Ok, I bought First Strike Optimus and I cannot for the life of me figure out how to get his shoulder cannons to lower. I thought they would work like Classics Optimus but they don't. Whats the trick to getting this to work?{{unsigned|68.45.124.176}}

==Mouthplate==

Is it worth to note that he's only shown(as far as i know) without his mouthplate ONLY in the movie?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:39, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
: There's a Robot Heroes figure without the mouthplate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:24, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
::And he's in a Burger King commercial without the mouthplate, too.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:15, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==dashes==

For eff's sake, I'm not TRYING to change the dashes - I don't care what they look like, I don't care which kind you use, I don't care if every page on the wiki uses tildes and umlauts instead of real punctuation. it '''happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages,''' which seems to be the point Interrobang missed. Once again: It's not intentional; it just happens. I don't know why, so I can't fix it. But by that same token, would you quit just plain old reverting the edit? The other stuff is minor, but it's not irrelevant - at least, not as irrelevant as it could be. It's on-topic with the subjects it's in. So by all means, please, fix th dashes that I've screwed up - but stop reverting the other bits. Please? Yeesh![[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 07:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
:You seem to be ignoring the fact that I consider your actual additions minor and unnecessary. Regardless, "it happens automatically on these "this page may be too big" pages" makes very little sense, considering that it isn't consistent on whether it replaces the em dashes with "hyphen-hyphen-space" or "space-hyphen-space". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:13, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, beats me—I'm no Firefox programmer. But just because you consider my additions unnecessary, it doesn't mean they actually are. Yeah, they're minor—I said as much. But unnecessary? Your opinion. Which you're only acting upon, I'd wager, because you're in a snit about the dashes. Am I wrong?[[User:71.207.12.70|71.207.12.70]] 05:25, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Premium Prime Eyes ==

Will they glow blue instead of yellow like the original Leader toy? If they do, it needs to be mentioned. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 13:24, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:the box shows blue, but it is still yellow unfortunately--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:07, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

== Red is Hard To Film? ==
In the 1970's TV show "Emergency!" featured many red fire trucks and the crew did not special measures to film them. Therefore, red is not a hard color to film.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency! [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 01:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm sure this isn't the only example of red vehicles ever being filmed. But Emergency!, being a TV show, was probably filmed on video, and not on... you know, film. I don't know whether red vehicles being hard to film is some weird general thing I'd never heard of before this movie, or whether it has something to do with the special effects, but I'll take the professionals' word for it.
::When I heard that in the commentary, I asked somebody who films stuff, and they said it's hard to get it to look consistantly the same color. He also said lighting can make it look very orange at times. --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 04:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:::In my meager experience with Shake and film editing, I know red can be a bitch to color correct.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:05, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
It seems I have been misinformed. Thank you all for the clarification. [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 17:44, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Why were my edits removed? ==

Peter Cullen did say that.
I was just trying to make the images work better. [[User:208.190.203.162|208.190.203.162]] 23:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shall I include to this page? y/n ==
Someone got arrested at an airport for wearing a TF2007 Optimus Prime T-shirt? [[http://gizmodo.com/394544/optimus-prime-t+shirt-transforms-into-arrest-threat-at-airport source]] [[User:Liberal Noob|Liberal Noob]] 21:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's fun trivia, especially if you contrast it with the fact that Megatron's always been the perceived [[For safety reasons|safety hazard]]. I'd link to [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/7431640.stm this BBC article] instead, though, since it's a more mainstream, firsthand source. Also, he wasn't actually arrested. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== Prime's Great Plan ==

Acknowledging that yes, the entry ''is'' fairly tongue-in-cheek to begin with, is the last trivia bit really fair? Obviously, Megatron was powerful, and nothing we'd want tromping around Earth any longer than he had to be. Without the All Spark for which he came to Earth to begin with, though, I don't recall him having the power to obliterate Earth. In fact, between the remaining Autobots and their good friends in the U.S. military, who showed during the battle of Mission City that no, not even Megatron was not invulnerable against heavy weapons fire... well, I'm hesitant to call the outcome either way, but it doesn't like the kind of foregone conclusion/idiotic plan the entry makes it out to be. Any thoughts? - [[User:Caswin|Caswin]] 04:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

==Seen ROTF, want to change main caption SO BAD==
To "I will cut off your face!" It's especially awesome with our new main image. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

* On that subject, if this continuity's Optimus is a violent rebel, does that mean his [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] equivalent is a benign dictator? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 05:39, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Nah, he's a decadant Nero-like emperor. <tt>Freedom is the right of all sentient beings... in bed.</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:41, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:That is so Prime! I kinda like this violent bloodthirsty Prime.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 07:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== Introduction ==

Should we change the introduction to reflect current continuity as established in [[Transformers: Defiance|Defiance]], or just keep it as it is? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:24, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:I'd favor scrapping this intro altogether and starting anew. Intro notes aren't supposed to be summaries of events like this, theyr'e suppsoed to be about the character's personality, connections abilities etc.
:When the movie first came out, the only thing that set him apart from the other Optimus Primes was his backstory. Since then he's developed his own personality quite a bit. He's speechier than the original Prime, and fightier. (And crazier. I think he's still Abraham Lincoln + John Wayne... but his Wayne side is from ''The Searchers''.)
:The brother stuff needs to be relegated to trivia too-- it got cut from the 2007 movie itself, and the 2009 movie seems to throw it out altogether. It's a teardown-and-redo. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:47, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Trailer super mode ==
It appears that Prime at some point in production of ROTF would get a trailer, and would combine with it to get a [[Super Mode]]: http://www.joshnizzi.com/oproughs.html --[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:35, 21 July 2009 (EDT)
:That's [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire's]] parts he's combined with. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:19, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
::That's not Jetfire. It says 'Trailer Suit'. Jetfire is not a trailer! [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 14:50, 29 July 2009 (EDT)

== Prime and faces ==

Movieverse Optimus Prime seems to have a habit of ripping his opponents' faces off. Should we list this as a trait? [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 22:17, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:The 'GIVE ME YOUR FACE' joke in the image captions is getting annoying and repetitive. What should be done about it? [[Special:Contributions/81.155.131.13|81.155.131.13]] 06:05, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

The "GIVE ME YOUR FACE" joke is hilarious and makes my day.

Seconded. Also, sign your posts. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 03:43, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
:It's already in the trivia and the joke stays.[[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 04:56, 6 September 2009 (EDT)
::Good. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:05, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

== I have a massive gallery if anybody wants screencaps from both movies. ==

Optimus has some of the best facial expressions, but they go by SO fast.

Anyway, I have a huge gallery of over 200 Optimus movie screencaps from both films. They're up for grabs if anybody wants to use them in articles or whatever.

http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/24a8bf8847330ed806d929dbf28b6627/

[[User:CH|CH]] 17:06, 23 November 2009 (EST)
==Make Optimus Prime Talk==
Remember that contest where "do a barrel roll!" won but Hasbro chickened out of using it? Where's the page for that.{{unsigned|24.192.196.242}}
:[[Make Prime Speak|Right here]]. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:08, 27 July 2010 (EDT)

==Bio==
Think it needs updating to bring in the Foundation and Rising Storm character elements? [[User:Eire]] 16.09 (BST) 28 May 2011

== Trailer/Flight..., thing? ==

Do we have an article for his DOTM... thing?

The DOTM novelization calls it his "weapons pack" (p352,) but also notes that the "flight equipment" (p356) is it's "true form" as opposed to the trailer or weapons base modes.

The Junior Novel uses "flight harness" and "mobile battle kit", which I find vastly preferable unless we have more official terms. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:53, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:To throw another one in, it's an Armored Weapons Platform in the [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:01, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::Armored Weapons Platform is a proper noun unlike the others, and it's a sensible term.
::What do you think, [[Armored Weapons Platform]] converts to trailer and flight harness? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:38, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
:::It's far from clear that all the things that transform out of Prime's trailer are the exact same trailer. And the Ultimate Prime's armor is called the Omega Combat Armor, as I recall...which is of course the same trailer in trailer mode as the rest of them. I assume the "mobile battle kit" specifically refers to the armory mode, but it seems like the most generic of these official terms. -[[User:LV|LV]] 18:30, 13 July 2011 (EDT)
::::The Mobile Battle Kit phrase does indeed come from the Chernobyl sequence of the Jr. Novel when it unfolds into that armory-ring.
::::Is there a decent shot of the trailer in one of the officially released, um... ''trailers'' or commercials? Otherwise I'm going to nab one from the video game launch trailer. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:41, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

== Did the Matrix of Leadership ==

Somehow give Optimus a vision of the past? In the novel and in the movie, he has a line to which he counters the Fallen that alludes to him knowing of the original primes, when he did seem to know of them before, right? Should this be noted on the article? It seems like, maybe, a plot point that was sort of forgotten, the importance of Optimus's ancestry. --[[Special:Contributions/205.250.176.157|205.250.176.157]] 00:50, 30 September 2012 (EDT)

== Walkaround Character ==

[[Image:USH-Walkaround-Optimus-Prime.jpg|right|thumb|200px|]]
Universal Studios Hollywood has walkaround versions of Bumblebee and Optimus Prime. I'm sure they should be mentioned somewhere on the page, but I'm not sure where. --[[User:Pjdonnell|pjdonnell]] 21:39, 13 October 2012 (EDT)

==New May 2015 layout==

Definitely a clearer layout than the old one; we lose some of the chronology but the ease of navigation makes up for it. Roll on this elsewhere! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 16:04, 20 May 2015 (GMT)

== Main Picture ==

Could someone change it to actually from the film? If prefer that over comic Prime. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 18:10, 9 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Berserker

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Skywarp Prime:

=="Veins" or "Brains"==
According to my country's release's Malay & Chinese (China's release too) subtitles, Berserker say "I'll suck your ''brains''", while he actually say "veins". Which oner of these words is the correct one? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:19, 24 July 2017 (EDT)
:I hear "veins" in the English-language digital home release. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 06:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
::Closed captions aside, which are not always either a) right or b) from a script (see the confusing nonsense surrounding ROTF Mixmaster), we have evidence to suggest that the line is "brains" in that the TRF dossier on Berserker made a point of mentioning the exsanguinated corpses Berserker leaves behind, implying that drinking blood is his whole thing. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 00:12, 12 November 2017 (EST)
:::I would think that would actually lend credence to "veins" since that's where blood comes from. --[[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 02:33, 12 November 2017 (EST)
::::Belatedly: yes, that's actually what I meant to say, and why I reverted the edit. I'm just an idiot who can't say what he means on talk pages, apparently. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 23:36, 24 November 2017 (EST)

== Unused image ==

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[[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 02:08, 4 December 2017 (EST)

== Captions ==

Are the captions a reference to some movie or TV show? Because none of them make sense. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 09:52, 8 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:They're a combination of quotes from professional wrestler John Nord, AKA "Berzerker", and lyrics from the song "Love Among Freaks", as heard in the movie ''Clerks''. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:00, 8 July 2019 (EDT)
Ah okay thanks. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 17:43, 9 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

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Skywarp Prime:

== Quotes ==
I think Ratchet's line "Jolt, electrify" should be in the quotes because, c'mon, JOLT ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING. --[[Special:Contributions/75.82.9.197|75.82.9.197]] 01:38, 27 August 2012 (EDT)

==Chromia==

Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? {{unsigned|Godziboy1993}}
:They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. [[User:Godziboy1993|Godziboy1993]] 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.
:Because it is '''illegally acquired information'''. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases ''official photographs'' of the toys. To find out more, refer to [[Help:Official info]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Paramount pictures cast list. ==

[http://l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/83/a2/9019_3705651155.jpg?y=660&x=616&q=75&n=0&sig=Zvqw8NxIBWHyJFhaLEhOeQ-- This poster] looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. {{unsigned|GUIGUI|17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT}}
::I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?{{unsigned|Godziboy1993|19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT}}
:Who knows? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Japanese world premiere. ==

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are <nowiki>[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]</nowiki>? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:You'd better be joking. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transmitter at official site==

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==How about an actual article?==
This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

:In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.
:That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've ''seen them in the trailer''. '''ETA:''' If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

::At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the ''content of the fiction itself'' and ''the characters'' starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

==UK Release 19th June = World Premiere==
As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan ==

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Score==
Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at [http://www.amazon.de/Transformers-Revenge-Fallen-Score/dp/B002DDIXLA/ref=sr_shvl_album_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245109298&sr=301-2 Amazon Germany's listing]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no" ==

Source: [http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Press conference from German premiere]

Translation:

:''Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.''

:''But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.''

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

:What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.{{unsigned|173.11.36.165|10:02, 24 June 2009}}
:: You shouldn't be able to state such garbage [[Special:Contributions/122.107.178.246|122.107.178.246]]
::You are [[wikipedia:Bundeswehr|mistaken]], sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Errors and Inconsistencies==
I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Basic outline here: "Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline". Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
why cant we edit things on the rotf page especially the errors because i have one to add

== Unnamed Decepticons ==

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was ''incredibly'' lax on providing names for characters.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Mysterious voice credits ==
Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -[[User:LV|LV]] 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --
:::Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be ''that'' odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)[[User:Eire]] 15.57 25th June 09

:Reedman ''has'' to be the raptor-like thing formed by the [[Microcon (ROTF)|ball bearing bot]]s. He's a reed-thin man.
:Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''Skip''jack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... ''*runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*''
::::No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.
::::Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::As it transpires, yes. [http://www.aciphex.com/ This interview] (search for "Skipjack") makes it pretty clear that Skipjack was the working name for the red bulldozer identified onscreen as Rampage. So it's a Demolishor/Wheelbot situation, apparently. Disappointing resolution, especially since it still leaves us with two bulldozers named Rampage. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I.... theeeenk you may have got your link wrong, there? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[https://www.editorsguild.com/FromtheGuild.cfm?FromTheGuildid=84 He probably meant this one.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::THe sad thing is that I can't even come up with a funny rationale for the link to AcipHex here. (I was originally linking it elsewhere because the TV won't stop telling me to try Ass Effects - guess it stayed in my clipboard.) FAiled. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance''
:::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/41048.html Some douchebag] posted bootleg screencaps of the Laurentian Abyss sequence on his blog.
:::While not appropriate for inclusion here as a ''primary source'', useful for IDing nonetheless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I should probably post what I did on LJ here. Re: the last photo - those claws don't look anything alike. That's no game-only generic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And ''I'' should probably post what I did on LJ here. The game-model and movie-model for Constructicon Scout are different (thus the clamps not matching) but Constructicon Scout is ''definitely'' in the movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Cs_scrapper.jpg|thumb]]
:::As Walky so bluntly put it-- "It's scrapper."
:::Or rather- the Constructicon Scout is based on Scrapper. An extra layer of confusion is added because the Scrapper toy lacks the giant arms that the CS has-- ''and'' [http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzji3l.gif the character in the movie has]. But since there's only one Scraper toy that Transformes, apparently we're treating his truncated arms as a concession to toy engineering.
:::So would it be ''more accurate'' to say that Scrapper ''is'' a Constructicon Scout? Or is physically identical to them? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:06, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
I don't know if this helps, but in the somewhat inaccurate comic version of the movie, Ravage, Long Haul, and Scrapper are clearly seen jumping off the boat, so it may mean Scrapper is "the little one?[[Special:Contributions/71.199.127.210|71.199.127.210]] 13:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:Reviving this, I rewatched the movie recently and the vehicles were clearly Rampage, Mixmaster, Long Haul and a treaded vehicle (which Scrapper is not), which Allspark user Legend-of-Blackout [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=60532&view=findpost&p=1280204 identified as a Volvo excavator]. And also, based on the leaked design for Scrapper in that big Devastator pic from a few days back, Scrapper's arms are much thicker than the ones on Scrapmetal. I have no idea what to make of this, but even if he just reuses Scrapper's robot mode model, his different alt mode would qualify him as a new character, would it not? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:32, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::So it seems he isn't Scrapper or Hightower. We need an article for [[Scrapmetal (ROTF)|ze little one]] immediately. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:23, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
I just want to point out that there are clearly shown 5 constucticons on the ship's deck but only 4 at any given time. The frontend loader(scrapper) and the excavator(scrap metal) seem to trade spots at times and it is the (Scrapper bot that is shown to jump into the water. You would think that it should have been the ecavator as it would make more sense on thats where Megatron gets the treads from but later in Egypt, just before Devistator merges, if you pause it right as you see Hightower(the large yellow truss crain) you can see the volvo excavator(scrap meatal behind him. [[Special:Contributions/68.20.110.38|68.20.110.38]] 12:49, 6 April 2011 (EDT)joe

==It's UpGrade Time==
So, can we start working on this now or what? [[User:Eire]] 12.44 June 24 09
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Foreign titles ==

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: They shouldn't be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:: The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::: That's different enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::: Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.[[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trivia cull ==

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it ''should'' be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Not-Bonecrusher ==

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually [[Constructicon Scout]]. Is that a safe guess to go with? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
: I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:: I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.[[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::It was definitely a use of the CGI Bonecrusher model in robot mode. [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*swears*</nowiki> I was hoping it was the Constructicon Scout, but he has a different robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You can definitely see Bonecrusher's vehicle mode rolling in with the other Decepticons. I don't recall seeing his robot mode, but then again, he looks quite similar in robot mode to a bunch of Constructicons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:42, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
So I saw it again in IMAX. That's definitely Bonecrusher rolling in.
# His remains weren't among those being disposed of after the first movie.
# We've got a toy bio stating he survived.
# He's ''in'' the ^&*( second film.
Baring Hasbro releasing a redeco and declaring this a new character, it looks like Bonecrusher really ''did'' survive. And until that happens, I'm going with the face-value reading and removing the "a Bonecrusher lookalike" note in the cast list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Good points! I agree. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:05, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. I think "a toy bio stating he survived" is completely irrelevant, as we got one of those for Jazz, too. That was definitely Bonecrusher's vehicle mode in ROTF, but I sure as hell don't think it was actually Bonecrusher, any more than I think that the helicopter was Blackout. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That is your personal canon. The fiction says otherwise. The toy bio is completely irrelevant iff it contradicts the movies. This time the movies back it up. It is willful blindness to say Bonecrusher isn't in the movie when he is right there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's willful blindness to assume similar alt means same guy, in a movie where a guy with Blackout's body-type is quite prominent. G1 colourd Jazz's bio says he survives. Brawl's got a ROTF repaint. He was decapitated and had his whole head smashed in. He's dead Jim. Writing a whole section of fiction you made up on Bonecrusher's page is madness. Give the toy bio it's own section and a note that we see his vehicle mode among the protoforms and leave it at that. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 15.28 30 June 09 (UTC)

== Character profiles ==

I'm starting to see descriptions of the character's movie role around the wiki. Is this okay yet? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:32, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:So long as you use the proper spoiler tags.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::What about the articles that have the "do not add information" tags? Can we start to take those down? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The coming soon tags? Yeah, those were just waiting for the film release.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Our policy on new releases is that if the media has been officially released in a language you can understand, you are well within your rights to be write up a summary, as long as you put up a spoiler tag. Like Wikipedia, we urge people to be bold, but be smart. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:55, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== More Quotes ==

What other quotes do you want to use (i.e: "I RISE, YOU FALL." from Optimus Prime)?
: I really don't think the umpteenth regurgitation of the TFTM-quote-that-will-not-die is worth singling out for praise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

What does anyone think about the opening monologue by Prime as one of the captions? I can only remember so much, anybody got it?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 19:09, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
: “Earth. Birthplace of the human race, a species much like our own. Capable of great compassion... and great violence. For in our quest to protect the humans, a deeper revelation dawns; our worlds have met before.”

“For the last two years, an advanced team of new Autobots has taken refuge here under my command. Together, we form an alliance with the humans, a secret but brave squad of soldiers. A classified strike team called NEST. We hunt for what remains of our Decepticon foes, hiding in different countries around the globe.” [[Special:Contributions/122.107.178.246|122.107.178.246]]
:Exposition is notable?! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:13, 9 July 2009 (EDT)
::Doesn't quite have the ring of '''"BEFORE TIME BEGAN THERE WAS... ''THE CUBE''.'''" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:16, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

==Five/Six Contacts Error==
Wouldn't this NOT be an error, since Ravge ejected Scalpel from his chest, thereby replacing Hightower? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|07:44, 28 June 2009}}
:You mean Scrapper, who was the one killed. And yeah, that's what I thought while watching the film, though I wondered if Scalpel was actually large enough to register? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::HAY GUYS - Hightower and Scrapper WEREN'T EVEN THERE. Four Constructicons jumped in - Red Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Small Excavator Guy. Unnamed dude was killed. Megatron, Scalpel and Ravage make six contacts surfacing.
::: Ahem, from Scalpel's page "...Using parts "donated" by Hightower..."
::: Anywho, the point is, wouldn't Scalpel's presence nullify the error? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|08:41, 28 June 2009}}
::::It is neither Scrapper nor Hightower. I have since edited articles and have removed the error. The unnamed is a small Volvo excavator similar to Demolishor's vehicle mode as he was incorrectly depicted in the ROTF adaptation comic. It did not look like Hightower's truss crane. Also, sign off on your comments, it is difficult to know who is saying what. See the signature button next to the crossed out W? Click that. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:24, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Adding extra confusion: The possibility that the extra reading was Blackout.
:::::On my second viewing, it really looks like The Doctor ''strikes'' the shard in Megatron's chest rather than permanantly inserting it. Maybe they ''did'' revive Blackout. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:18, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Grindor's from space. Megatron left the Constructicons, Ravage, and the Doctor far behind on Earth, and he traveled allll the way up to Saturn to visit the Nemesis. And what's he find in the Nemesis? Starscream and hatchlings. And next we see Megatron on Earth, he's with Starscream. And another guy. That guy was a hatchling. That guy was Grindor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::He's also with The Doctor, who should be with Ravage and the Constructicons.
:::::::I don't actually think the Helicopter ''is'' Blackout-- I mean he has a '''different altmode''' fergods sake. If Bay intended it to be Blackout he'd have used the same helicopter, regardless whether it'd been retired or not. And anyway- HASBRO clearly thinks that's Grindor.
:::::::I'm just trying to figure out what might've been goign through the movie production's head with that funny number. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I imagine they filmed the blips on the radar approximately nine months before animating/rendering/writing the scene of the guys underwater. WHOOPS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Given that they went to the trouble of getting Welker for Soundwave and the forgot to put a vocoder over him, I could believe it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:46, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Though considering Welker apparently didn't like what the G1 cartoon did to his Soundwave voice, it's possible he asked Bay to not process it, and Bay was cool with that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:23, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Can I ask why it is stated as fact that Scalpel is too small to be detected by the submarine in the trivia section? Isn't that just speculation?[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 15:32, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::Considering that sonar and radar work the same way, the smaller the object the smaller the signature. It makes sense that Scalpel--being about a foot long and tall--wouldn't be shown on the sonar. If you look at the screen, there's one small signature going down and coming up, probably Ravage considering his size. It makes sense.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 21:26, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

::::::::::::Scalpel's about the size of a fish. I don't know for certain, but I'm pretty sure if the radar raised a contact alert every time a fish swam towards the sub, it'd be pretty useless. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:56, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Ravage is the size of a jaguar, which is what? the size of a shark? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:05, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Is he? I don't remember any shots in the movie where his size was even established, offhand. I thought he was pretty big though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:18, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Hasbro [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/Battle-Bios.cfm battle bios] say he is "4 ft." but I can't really tell if that means 4 feet tall or 4 feet long or what. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:25, 3 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Starfield, if he was four feet long, he'd be pretty damn small, considering how long his tail is. We see him next to the alt modes of several transformers and we see him on Bee. He's at least as big as a tiger, probably bigger. [[User:Eire|Eire]]
::::::::::::::::Well sonuvabitch, you guys got me second guessing myself. Thanks. Now I gotta go watch the movie again.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 23:53, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

I think that perhaps Grindor is Blackout revived, which would take care of the 5/6 inconsistency. {{unsigned|72.67.21.14}}
:As stated above, Grindor is not Blackout. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:09, 7 February 2010 (EST)

== Graham ==

Whatever happened to that Agent Graham guy. Was he even in it? He is still in the credits on the official ROTF website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Wasn't he that one British guy with NEST? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:49, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, he wore a brown beret. [[Special:Contributions/79.68.235.108|79.68.235.108]] 16:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::He's the Tom Cruise lookalike with about three lines.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:25, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And he wasn't an "agent", he was supposedly a member of the SASF, a fictionalized version of the Special Air Service. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::He is "SASF Agent Graham" on the [http://www.transformersmovie.com/ official movie website]. What's SASF stand for? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:54, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Of [http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/SASF the various potential meanings for the SASF acronym], the most sensible one for this situation appears to be "South African Special Forces".--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:46, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I don't think "South African Special Forces" is at all sensible for a guy from the UK. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:17, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Probably actually means "Special Air Service Forces" or somesuch fictional thing. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:02, 12 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"Synthetic Alien Strike Fighters" or, even better, "Secret Autobot Surveillance Force" (the government wouldn't really let giant robots run around without some spooks watching them, would they?) - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:18, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

== Frenzy's head ==
This error keeps on getting added/deleted endlessly, some official consensus would be good. His head didn't blow up, it was sliced it half, so it's not terribly unreasonable that the two pieces were glued or welded back together. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:06, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

I happen to have a downloaded version of Revenge of The Fallen (I DID go to the movie, and I AM going to buy the dvd, so stop whining!), would you like me to make some screencaps and upload them?
(Particularly Reedman and Arcee miss clear images){{unsigned|ThiAthEhn|13:58, 1 July 2009}}
:The enthusiasm and offer of help are appreciated, but unfortunately screencaps from a pirated download would get us in deep doo-doo. Thanks for asking before uploading, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::To elaborate, we have a policy against using images or information from unofficial, leaked or stolen sources, which obviously includes screencaps from a blurry camjob of Revenge of the Fallen. The DVD will be out in 3-4 months anyway. We can wait. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::We could use screens taken from the trailers and released clips and such though right? Or realsed screencaps? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
::::Absolutely. As long as it's a thing that was officially approved and released, go nuts. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center location ==

Regarding the grafting of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center] to the Boneyard: it should be noted that the UHC is in ''Chantilly, VA'', rather outside of Washington, DC proper. There is actually more space next to the hangar, where Jetfire would have exited if they didn't have the compositing transition to the Boneyard. However, while the area's grassy and flat, it's surrounded by small chunks of forest (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dulles_Tower_360.JPG], it looks right out over the hangar entrance he would have exited from), and is further connected to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Dulles_International_Airport Dulles Airport] in the distance. :) I can only assume they went with the visual assumption that "hey, it's a museum, they'd have lots of mothballed planes around, and what's there right now is boring", but that's purely speculation on my part. Either way you slice it, it's still an "error"...

I just find this amusing, given that the UHC is one of the IMAX theaters where ROTF is being ''shown''... :) [[Special:Contributions/96.231.155.47|96.231.155.47]] 22:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:And there's a HUGE IMAX logo ''in'' the movie...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

I honestly wonder how many people had never really payed attention to the outside of the UHC, and tried to go around the side of the building after seeing it in IMAX. I'm from nearby the UHC, and I thought it was really funny to see a bunch of people in the theatres whisper to the person next to them, "hey, that's not outside the UHC." - Garebear22

==Caption theme==
Since the first film used a TF:TM theme, why not use the abandoned Star Wars theme here. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
:Specifically, ''Empire''. Kurtzman and Orci even said they were trying to match it in terms of upping the menace and having the Fallen be like the Emperor. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Suggestion - lock this article so only registered users can edit. ==

I am sure we are all sick and tired of anonymous people coming in and making stupid, incorrect, poorly spelled edits to our a article. Let's just lock this down so that we only need to watch out for newbie editors. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:09, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:02, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:The motion's seconded. Aye. Does motion carry?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:37, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== French title ==
Could you add back the fact that the French title has no ''2'' in it (at least, not in the Quebec version. You tell 'em, Detour), because some IP (80.236.81.91) undid my edit. Probably thought that because all other foreign titles had a 2, French was no different. Anyway I would do it myself if it wasn't for the semi-protection (which I am totally for). I know it's kind of silly to ask other people to do modifications for me, but please. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 21:08, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:[http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_16816.html Êtes-vous certains?] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:14, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::We indeed do not have a 2 in our Transformers title in Quebec. Maybe it's just France? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:35, 2 July 2009 (EDT)`
::Non-teaser trailer supports this: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9uUVkYB6Aw&fmt=18] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:39, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Les Français sont toujours causé des problèmes. Peut-être qu'ils pensent qu'il est numérotée en métrique? Si le film a utilisé un chiffre romain ils se seraient probablement merde leur pantalon et ensuite les manger. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Please stop butchering my language. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Seconded. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:52, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ce n'est pas de ma faute! Il est le poisson vivant dans mon oreille! En tout cas, de véritables langues sont basés sur ECMAScript. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"English, dude. English." --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:33, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Thanks. Oh, and Derik, please stop. It kinda hurts me as a Frenchie-Canuck to see that. Plus, you're probably using internet translation, which as you can see is quite pitiful. Nice one LoneGamer, BTW. I couldn't have said it better. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 20:45, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

== Section ordering/technical details ==

Looking at the 2007 movie page... it's got a LOT of really boring-ass info on it. Formatting, foreign movie board ratings, etc, etc.... all that stuff should be waaaaaaay down near the bottom, if not on an entirely separate page, considering how long the 2007 movie page is.

And likewise for this one. Why is cast before the synopsis? Why do we need a list of foreign titles taking up the entire first screen of the page? Etc. etc.? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:37, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

== Appearance Order ==

Minor error, but still an error. Both Sam and Sideswipe are ordered as the ninth characters to appear in the film. Article locked, so I can't make the correction. --[[User:TheGoodman|TheGoodman]] 04:56, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

== Edit ==

Okay, I understand by the edit button's been switched to OFF but it there anyway to add to references? It came to me last night that the epic forest show down might be a reference to [[Code of Hero]].
: That is a perfect example of why the edit button's been switched to off. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:31, 11 July 2009 (EDT)
then they should turn it on so we can edit some stuff

== Main cast order of appearance numbers ==

Do we really need them? Our [[Transformers (film)]] article doesn't have them. Some [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Revenge_of_the_Fallen_(film)&diff=322311&oldid=322298 anonymous idiot] took it upon himself to number the characters in a pretty horrible, incorrect fashion, and while people have since repositioned the names, the order of appearance is still wrong. And we're missing [[Graham|a character]] from the list. I would think people here who actually care about the accuracy of the wiki (ie, the staff and regular contributors) don't have the time and money to go see the movie again just to jot down when characters appear, so may I suggest we remove the numbering nonsense and restore this box to the way it was before whichever staff member opened up the anonymous floodgates? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:34, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
:We should probably add a flag to {{tl|featuredcharacters}} to suppress the "(Numbers indicate order of appearance.)" message where it wouldn't be logical. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:00, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
::I agree. If there wasn't a "(Numbers indicate order of appearance.)", people wouldn't try adding the numbers when we don't need the numbers. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:34, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

=== Pigs/Meat locker error ===
I don't get it, so if the owner is jewish that doesn't mean they can't supply pig meat to those who aren't jewish. Is this really considered an error? [[Special:Contributions/68.9.247.42|68.9.247.42]] 00:49, 19 July 2009 (EDT)

==Other goofs==
<s>You could fairly state that the Gulf of Aqaba does divide Egypt and Jordan, because those two countries could share a border if that body of water was not there.</s> Never mind this one, I misunderstood the nature of the error.

Joran and Egypt do have an area where the two countries do meet, on land, and it is possible that they do have at least one border between them. The area is small, it is roughly the size of Montreal and would likely only have one or two borders. [[User:Raiderdline61|Raiderdline61]] 18:11, 7 June 2010

<s>One to be added is that the Predator drone is depicted two different ways. The Predator has a propellor, and you can see this when it takes off since it's footage of the actual vehicle. When the CGI model of the Predator approaches the battle, it has no propellor. I think the first film had the same goof. I'd add it myself, but due to semi-protection I can't do that yet.</s> Added. [[User:Hellbus|Hellbus]] 17:45, 26 July 2009 (EDT)

When Mikaela uses the tongs to grab Wheelie, a mirror mysteriously appears on the workshop floor and reflects a lot of sunlight into the camera. When the sunlight fades away Wheelie can finally be seen. I suppose it helps make the CGI look more seamless. -Anonymous, 24 July 2009

I have a theory about one of the scenes. When Sam got picked up from the party it was night, when they got to the scene in the graveyard it was daytime. What if the trip to the cemetary took all night so that the autobots could stay out of sight, and the conversation took place in the morning? just a thought. -Anonymous, 27 July 2009

==transforming pen/light==
:It just hit me that when i went to see the movie, that i got a promotional item on the night i saw the movie; a transforming pen/light with the movie's logo on it. Is it worth noting somewhere that such a thing exists?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:41, 2 August 2009 (EDT)

== The Serbian title (lol) ==

The alleged title "Transformersi: Najveće govno ikada" actually means "Transformers: The Biggest S**t Ever". :D It should be "Transformersi: Osveta Poraženog" {{unsigned|Prokletinick}}
:Some might say that was a more accurate title! Thanks, I've corrected it. Any idea if there's a "2" in the official Serbian title? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:10, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

:Well, I've looked it up, and no, there isn't. --[[User:Prokletinick|Prokletinick]] 11:17, 7 August 2009 (EDT)

== Anti-Arab subtext ==

...How is destroying and damaging various Middle Eastern landmarks anti-Arab? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:57, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
:As someone who is dating an Arab, has met a LOT of Arabs, is comparatively familiar with Arab culture, and has become pretty sensitive to such things over the years... I have ''no. freaking. clue.'' I added it primarily 'cause I think the notion is ''hilarious''. Of all the things in the movie to fixate on... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:08, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
::Alice tearing up Princeton is an obvious sign of anti-intellectualism. And Blackout's attack on the military base in the first film demonstrate a clear anti-military slant. And lot's not forget Bay's previous film, Armageddon, and its obvious anti-Earth agenda. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:12, 11 August 2009 (EDT)
When large amounts of a movie take place in Arab countries but the only Arab characters we see either exist to be laughed at (the border guard) or as cannon fodder (the Jordanian helicopters), people seeing an anti-Arab subtext strikes me as perfectly reasonable. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:31, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:To be fair, most every other human in the movie was ''also'' a redshirt or comic relief. {{unsigned|TheMZone}} 15:40, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

== Jewish deli? ==

Are we sure the Simmons family is Jewish? Seymour was wearing a friggin' cross around his neck in the first film.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:23, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
: The novelization says he's Jewish, but that's just the novelization. (More specifically, at the road check somewhere Egypt, Simmons calls these folks "his people," to which Sam is surprised, since he thought Simmons was Jewish. Simmons responds: "I'm one thirty-sixth Arab. Hey, Kosher, halal - it's the same thing.") --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:03, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:: Well, as it stands, there are no Jews in the movies. Israel doesn't even exist.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:47, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::His mother's name is Tova, which might as well be Jewette. Of course, that's no guarantee they'd run a kosher business. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 12:03, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::So why was he wearing a cross in the first movie, then? Also, is her name confirmed for the movie?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:20, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::Obviously he was a wearing a cross in the first movie because they didn't decide to make him Jewish until the second. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:32, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::But is he definitely a Jew in the movie? Or is that only in the novelization? Maybe Alan Dean Foster's Seymour Simmons is a Jew, but Orci/Kurtzman's Simmons is Catholic? Can we tell for sure?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:46, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::[http://www.jews-for-jesus.org/ Jews for Jesus]? *is half-kidding* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:54, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::: He converted. Broke his poor mother's heart, he did. Seymour, why didn't you become a doctor like your cousin Morty? A government agent? You'll never get a nice wife that way! [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 14:09, 15 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::"Pretending to be protestant to get ahead." It's a game as old as America, and presumably well-in-force in good-old-boy secret organizations like Sector Seven. (Which in some versions is run by Freemasons.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:17, 17 August 2009 (EDT)
Tova can be a Norwegian name (albeit usually a male name). He was definitely wearing a cross in the first movie. As for the Deli, I recall it had some sort of Italian name, along with Simmons. Maybe his mother's (Italian) last name?
:::::::Also why would a ''Jewish'' deli have friggin' ''pigs'' being butchered there? --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:32, 16 November 2009 (EST)

== Name ==

The name for Brazil is "A Vingança dos Derrotados" {{unsigned|201.25.169.239}}

== Changes before, during and after production ==

According to Paul Ozzimo's art gallery, the attack on the aircraft carrier was originally planned to be a Decepticon Submarine attacking the carrier. Is this worth mentioning?
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== Another Transformers reference ==

Maybe the following reference should be added to the page: ''On board the ''[[Nemesis (Movie)|Nemesis]]'', [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] says "yesss...", which is a trademark habit of the [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]''.--[[Special:Contributions/172.129.64.182|172.129.64.182]] 12:45, 5 October 2009 (EDT)

==You mention Changing Gears, but not Sun Raid?==
I notice that the episode Changing Gears was mentioned as having a device like the Sun Harvester, but how about the same kind of device Megatron tried to use in [[Sun Raid (Listen 'n Fun)|Sun Raid]]? [[Special:Contributions/68.61.240.172|68.61.240.172]] 09:54, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:The Solar Harvester is not a reference to either one, but "Changing Gears" is the one people will absolutely ''not shut the hell up about''. It's listed there in its current format because my preferred version ("Anyone who thinks the incredibly generic notion of a device to suck energy out of the sun is a reference to a random forgotten Generation 1 episode, and not just an incredibly generic idea that's been done a billion times before in science fiction, is an ''absolute freaking moron''") probably wouldn't go over so well. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:16, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
::Yes... well... anyway. I, for one, wasn't aware of a similar device in Sun Raid. Now I have a reason to listen to the story. Thanks for the info 68.61.240.172. But the "Transformers references" section is generally reserved for items we imagine the writers looked to past fiction for inspiration for. In the case of the Solar Harvester, they probably did not have the cartoon episode in mind. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:35, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
::I'd support that revision, Rob! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:25, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

== Airport security error ==

When errors are listed in the form of a question, I sometimes have the urge to answer them. "How on Earth did the big metal box containing a complex electronic mechanism shouting to be released ever make it through airport luggage screening?" I don't know about the film, but in the novel it is Mikaela's Epic Hotness that distracts the guard into just letting her through. That and she said there were expensive mechanic's tools inside so it might look strange in an x-ray. Sure I have my doubts that would happen in the real-world, but that is the in-fiction explanation. That is the same fictional universe that gave us... well, this movie. That is hardly the least believable thing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:35, 25 October 2009 (EDT)
:I probably should be more disciplined about avoiding question-style notes, if only for this very reason. It's an open invite for anons to do stupid shit like posting speculatory answers. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:56, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

== Reception section ==

Yea, but what does the [[fandom]] think? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:00, 5 November 2009 (EST)
: They are 100% in agreement, I assure you. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:22, 6 November 2009 (EST)

== Shockwave (G1) appeared in Revenge ERROR!!! ==

G1 Shockwave actually appeared in Revenge of the Fallen as in the newspaper danggling in between Skids and Mudflap, meanwhile, holding for dear life from Devastator.

[[Image:TF2G1ShockwaveScreenshot.jpg]] [[Image:TF2G1ShockwaveCloseup.jpg]]
Surprisingly, Shockwave's also holding for dear life too.
:[[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:34, 18 November 2009 (EST)

== Location of final battle ==

I've been planning on writing a detailed account of the final battle in the film, starting with the Decepticons landing as protoforms and ending with Optimus killing the Fallen, like we did with [[Battle of Autobot City]] and [[Mission City]]. However, I have no idea where to place this article. Should I write it up in [[Giza (region)|Giza]]? [[Aqaba]]? [[Egypt]]? Or should I just place it in some other article, like "Battle for the Matrix" or "Battle for the solar harvester"? Any thoughts? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:33, 26 November 2009 (EST)
:Seriously, any thoughts? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:44, 3 December 2009 (EST)
::Aqaba sounds good. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:12, 3 December 2009 (EST)
:::Late, but [[Operation: Firestorm]] [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 23:32, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Very late. I ended up writing [[Operation: Firestorm]] because I couldn't decide where to put it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 23:54, 2 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Well then, issue resolved. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 20:33, 4 October 2010 (EDT)

== Not an error ==

I don't think that Optimus' mouthplate being restored is an error when he's seen taking off after being merged with Jetfire's corpse parts. I really shouldn't have to point out why, but I will: A new mouthplate was slapped on him too. You can even see it if you watch carefully. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 13:15, 18 December 2009 (EST)

== Frenzy ==

Should there be mention of [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]'s cameo? Would it go under "Transformers references"? [[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:39, 11 January 2010 (EST)
:He should be in the cast list. He isn't dead. Simmons wasn't shown killing him since [[Transformers: The Veiled Threat| The Veiled Threat]], and I seriously doubt he would kill him. He likes having a captured living Transformer too much. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:44, 11 January 2010 (EST)
::Frenzy died in the first movie. Simmons has his dead head in a jar. This is what the movies show us. He should not be in the cast list because he is not part of the cast. He's a prop. I had no idea he was depicted as being alive in "The Veiled Threat," but regardless of that I find the thought of listing a severed-head-in-a-jar as if he's actually in any way a ''character'' in the movie to be ridiculous. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:54, 11 January 2010 (EST)
:::The dead head cameo doesn't work with "Veiled Threat" anyhow. The book describes it as half a head, still bisected from Frenzy's fate in the first movie, while the head is pristine in the film. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:00, 11 January 2010 (EST)
::::The pristine head doesn't work with the first film either. If it can't be alive because it was cut in half in the novel, then it can't even be Frenzy's head because that was cut in half in the first movie. The novel is the "official prequel", so Frenzy's head being alive is official and everything. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:27, 11 January 2010 (EST)
:::::Alive or dead, he's still really not a character in this movie. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:20, 11 January 2010 (EST)
==Star wars quotes? What in the name of Primes?==
What is it with the corny star wars quotes for the image captions? I mean seriously...[[Special:Contributions/86.170.40.126|86.170.40.126]] 16:41, 14 January 2010 (EST)

Go look at the article for the '86 movie. It is perpetuation of a gag. [[Special:Contributions/98.119.124.232|98.119.124.232]] 23:36, 13 March 2010 (EST)

== Technical errors ==

Could there, by a slim possibility, ''be'' a spiderweb in the Tomb of the Primes? I put it in the errors section, and noone's taken it down yet, but I wonder. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 15:42, 24 October 2010 (EDT)

== Mouthplate error not an error ==

I removed the comment in technical errors about Optimus gaining his mouthplate again because it shows, very clearly, that before he was boosted by Jetfire-parts, he had no mouthplate, and he was also clearly shown that a new mouthplate flew onto him while he was upgrading.

== Reflector was first wasn't he? ==

Reading through the tf references featured in ROTF I noticed that somebody said Devastator was the first combiner in the G1 cartoon. Surely Reflector, assuming we agree that Reflector counts as a combiner, was the first combiner featured in G1- albeit less of a famous one. I don't appear to be able to edit this so could somebody just modify it to 'devastator who was a combiner in g1' rather than 'devastator who was the first combiner in g1'. Cheers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:91.85.166.143|91.85.166.143]] ([[User talk:91.85.166.143|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/91.85.166.143|contribs]]){{#if:18:08, 11 December 2010 (EST)| 18:08, 11 December 2010 (EST)|}}.
:Reflector wasn't a combiner. He was one dude with three bodies. Or something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:30, 11 December 2010 (EST)
::Three dudes who ''combined'' to form a gestalt altmode no? Not as famous as devy but theres certainly some combining at work there {{unsigned|91.85.131.165}}
:::Please sign your posts, by typing four tildes at the end. That aside, you may have a point. Our [[Combiner]] page explicitly mentions Reflector as a combiner. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:41, 12 December 2010 (EST)

== Why is Scavenger not in the character list? ==

He was in the movie so why is he cut out? {{unsigned|86.131.248.230}}

== It's a Decepticon!! ==

This part has always left me kind of confused. At some point in the movie, as also written in the synopsis in here, "[...] in order to read the symbols, they may need a Decepticon. Mikaela then interrogates Wheelie, who identifies the symbols as the Language of the Primes, and suggests they may track down one of the ancient Seekers [...]"

So, if they already knew that they needed for a ''Decepticon'', what reason did they have to freak out like that when they reawakened Jetfire and saw his Decepticon symbol? --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 03:23, 6 March 2011 (EST)
:I think it's that they probably weren't expecting the Seeker that they're looking for to be also a Decepticon. Wheelie's the only Decepticon they've somewhat gotten along with fine without fear of loosing any body parts. Being Cybertronian he might not ''understand'' the Language of the Primes itself but he is able to recognize the origins. Like how some people are able to recognize the general look of Egyptian hieroglyphics but not understand what it means or how it's pronounced, be it from research or a simple trip to the museum. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 03:52, 6 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah, according to Transformers: Exodus, Jetfire is with the Autobots from the beginning. So, why is he a decepticon in the movie?
:Exodus is part of the [[Aligned continuity family]] while ROTF is part of the [[Live-action film series]] [[continuity family]]. There is no link between the Jetfires in these two pieces of fiction. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:46, 7 December 2011 (EST)

== More Detail on bethlehen pa shooting. ==

I just wanted to point out that the site the filming was done was the old Bethlehem Steel plant primary around the blast furnaces to provide scale for the robots size. you can actually not visit the site since it's now an sands hotel and Artsquest set up an concert and art center near the site.

== Lamppost ==

Mikela slammed into a lamppost to get rid of alice. Not a tree.

== Matrix 1999 reference ==

Is the interrogation scene of Sam by Megatron and Starscream at the foundry a reference to the Wachowski movie's interrogation scene of Neo ?

A powerful character, an authoritative figure played by Hugo Weaving, in grey, probes the protagonist
(the protagonist who will later turn out to have some destiny in ressurection and being of special status like Prime or being the one)
to get information about how much he knows of the Matrix and this kept-secret society that guards it. (the primes/those who got disillusioned about the virtual reality.)

And well, the two little metallic slimy monster insects with super slender tentacles who obey Hugo Weaving penetrate the wiggling protagonists, that was what set me off to draw the parallels.

--[[User:SnipinScientist|SnipinScientist]] ([[User talk:SnipinScientist|talk]]) 19:07, 16 December 2018 (EST)
:...no? Honestly, that's a pretty common/tropey scenario. The only loose connection compared to every other interrogation scene like this is Hugo Weaving and the word "matrix", and that's not enough to consider it an intentional reference. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:48, 16 December 2018 (EST)

== Editing issues ==

I keep adding to the errors section but it keeps going away! What the heck?! [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 22:53, 10 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:It keeps going away because it's not an actual error, so other users keep removing it. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:07, 10 June 2019 (EDT)
I said things like how it's an error that they call the Arcees twins instead of triplets and Megatron's magically moving blast wound which I have seen multiple times and they are very real errors. Honestly, the fact they keep removing them is very annoying. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 10:24, 12 June 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:A: Lennox says "Arcee, Twins!" He's calling for Arcee and Skids and Mudflap. B: Both I and Jalaguy have watched that scene and there is no moving blast wound. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:02, 12 June 2019 (EDT)
I didn't think he was addressing the twins, too. It's also that people occasionally refer to them as twins. Also, the scene when Megs gets blasted is a little fast paced so I didn't see it right

== Error with the article ==

It says in the geographic discontinuities section that the museum Jetfire was at is in the middle of DC despite being 30 miles away from the city in reality. Might wanna fix that. [[User:Skywarp Prime|Skywarp Prime]] ([[User talk:Skywarp Prime|talk]]) 11:57, 8 July 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime
:Fix what? The note ALREADY covers the problem you mention. The note says that the movie calls it the "National Air and Space Museum" (which is in Washington, DC) but actually uses the Udvar-Hazy location (miles outside DC in Virginia) and then has it depicted as next to a facility that is actually in Arizona. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]])

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