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2013-05-25T01:38:44Z

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This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top five ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
#Take your top five list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' vote for a specific version of '''Bumblebee, Dinobot, Grimlock, Ironhide, Jazz, Megatron, Optimus Prime, Ratchet, Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Waspinator, or Wheeljack.''' They've already been inducted!
#However, '''you CAN vote''' for '''''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or [[Optimus Primal]]'''! Hasbro considers them separate!
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Side Swipe, Terrorsaur (BW), X-Brawn --(four tildes)

Poll entry period ends at 4pm on '''[[May 31]]st, 2013'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

==Poll entries==


*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Chromedome, Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Rewind --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 12:35, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Barricade, Devastator, Ravage, Sideways, Ultra Magnus -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Galvatron, Megatron (BW), Overlord, Sky-Byte, Unicron [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 12:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Ratbat, Ravage, Rhinox, Wreck-Gar [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 12:56, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blurr, BW Megatron, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Whirl [[User:Fireshot|Fireshot]] 12:59, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bruticus, Devastator, Primus, Rattrap, Unicron [[User:Combaticons4ever|Combaticons4ever]] 13:17, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hot Shot, Menasor, Springer, Tarantulas, Tracks [[User:Phantom_Dusclops'92|Phantom Dusclops'92]] 13:29, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Botanica, Fortress Maximus, Swindle, Swoop, Ultra Magnus - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 13:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage (Beast Wars)]], [[Rattrap]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle (Animated/G1)]] --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hound, Ratbat, Sideswipe, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Inkblot|Inkblot]] 13:50, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Impactor, Scrounge, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Venom --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime --[[User:Anguirus|Anguirus]] 14:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)
*Bruticus, Devastator, Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Tarantulas -- [[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 14:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swerve, Tarantulas -- [[User:General Tekno|General Tekno]] 14:26, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Buzzsaw, Nightbeat, Prowl, Tarantulas, Thunderwing -- --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 14:30, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cyclonus, Prowl, Scorponok, Sunstreaker, Swindle - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:32, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Drift, Injector, Knock-Out (Prime), Megatron (BW), Tarantulas --[[User:EvoChanger|EvoChanger]] 14:34, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Chromedome, Rodimus, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Trixter|Trixter]] 14:41, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Hot Shot, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Amadeus Windfall|Amadeus Windfall]] 14:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Rodimus, Rung. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Astrotrain, Cosmos, Cyclonus, Omega Supreme, Ultra Magnus --([[User:Pinecronix|Pinecronix]] 14:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT))

*Demolishor (Armada), Hot Shot (Armada), Override (Cybertron), Red Alert (Armada), Sideways (Armada). --[[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 15:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Barricade, Devastator, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 15:06, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Devastator, Omega Supreme, Ravage, Rodimus -- [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 15:09, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Omega Supreme, Prowl, Swindle, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cosmos, Prowl, Sky-Byte, Tarantulas, Warpath --[[User:Sockie|Sockie]] 15:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Cyclonus, Deszaras, Powered Convoy, Star Saber -- [[User:S-NFS|S-NFS]] 23:22, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

*Cyclonus, Prowl, Sideways, Swoop, Ultra Magnus --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUi299]] 15:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (G1), Blades (G1), Punch, Side Burn (RID), Smokescreen (G1) [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 16:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Rung, Sari Sumdac, Silverbolt (BW), Teaspoon -- [[User:JediFlaherty|JediFlaherty]] 16:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

* Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Metroplex, Sky-Byte, Wreck-Gar --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:05, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Omega Supreme, Overlord, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 16:11, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Smokescreen, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Russellestate|Russellestate]] 16:07, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironhide, Prowl, Ratbat, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:MarkMontag|MarkMontag]] 16:25, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Sideswipe, Smokescreen, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:Spydersix|spyder]][[User Talk:Spydersix|Use this!]] 17:03, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Deathsaurus, Megatron (BW), Skywarp, Swindle, Thundercracker -- [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 17:45, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Blackarachnia, Hot Shot, Beast Megatron, Ratbat, Ravage --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Devastator, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle, Wreck-Gar --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 17:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Devastator, Hot Shot, Megatron(BW), Ravage, Sky-Byte -- [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 18:01, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Knock Out, Ravage, Sky-Byte, Swindle -- [[User:Strangefour|Strangefour]] 18:18, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Airazor, Blackarachnia, Cyclonus, Rattrap, Terrorsaur -- [[User:Bumblevivisector|Bumblevivisector]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Lugnut, Sky Byte -- [[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 18:23, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Prowl, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:40, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee (Prime)]], [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron (Beast Wars)]], [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]], [[Rattrap]]--[[User:Damo|Damo]] 18:46, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Cheetor, Ginrai, Megatron (Beast Era), Optimus Primal, Thunderwing --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:14, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime),Blitzwing(Animated),Bulkhead (Prime), Megatron (BW),Rihnox (BW)--[[User:Venowtron|Venowtron]] 18:19, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Swindle, Ultra Magnus --[[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] 19:53, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blitzwing, Devastator, Predaking, Sky-Byte --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] 19:58, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Jetfire, Prowl [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 20:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Red Alert (g1), Rewind, Thunderwing, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Autobot Hunter|Autobot Hunter]] 20:10, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Bulkhead, Cheetor, Optimus Primal, Sentinel Prime, Wreck-Gar. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 20:13, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Bulkhead, Prowl, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ketchup|Ketchup]] 20:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Blitzwing, Jetfire, Prowl --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:21, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Ironfist, Nightbeat, Skids, Smokescreen, Thundercracker --[[User:Hhall3|Hhall3]] 19:39, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*G1 Hot Spot, G1 Quickmix, G1 Rodimus Prime, G1 Searchlight, G1 Silverbolt - [[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 21:00, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

*Arcee (Prime), Bulkhead, Hound, Jetfire (G1), Ultra Magnus --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:38, 24 May 2013 (EDT)



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Energon

2008-06-14T23:22:18Z

Sntint: /* Generation 1 cartoon */ Sentence flow edits.

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{{disambig3|Energon}}

[[Image:Energon symbol.svg|180px|right]]
[[Image:EnergonCubesCartoon1.jpg|thumb|Taste the not-so-rainbow-but-shiny-pink]]

'''Energon''' is the preferred fuel/energy source of [[Transformer]]s. It has also been shown as food, intoxicating drink, ammunition, even currency. More, it has been described as the basic building block of all Transformers' bodies and [[sparks]].

Typically, energon is highly volatile. Even a small impact can cause energon to detonate explosively.

In most continuities, the safest way to transport Energon is when it is condensed into the form of an [[energon cube]]. In this form energon is more stable, but still quite dangerous.

== Generation 1 ==
===Generation 1 cartoon===
[[Image:Energon.jpg|left|thumb|Skywarp in his fat days, making a sandwich]]

Energon is at first the specific power source of choice of the Decepticons exclusively, with the Autobots never using the material in their recorded adventures in the late 20th Century. By 2005, however - by choice or necessity - the Autobots had adopted energon as their fuel also. Energon has also been used as currency, mostly by entities that do not use it as sustenance, such as on the gambling asteroid of [[Monacus]].

Energon is "refined" or created out of other energy sources, sometimes through machinery, but most often simply by attaching an empty energon cube, or placing one next to, the energy source which will be converted. The cube then goes to work automatically, converting the power source into liquid energon which fills the cube. Liquid energon has a glowing pink color. When cubes are compressed, they takes on an iridescent rainbow effect.

[[Image:TransporttoOblivion_fillingcubes.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Filling up the tanks... err.. I mean cubes...]]

Energy sources refined into energon have included electricity, magma, oil and steam - all pillaged from Earth by the Decepticons on a regular basis. When the Autobots began using energon, on the other hand, they set up [[Autobot City]] to harmlessly harness Earth's many renewable resources and acquire the energy that way. The level of power any energon possesses appears to be related to the original base material from which it was converted - the especially pure oil of [[Carbombya]], for example, yielded a particularly potent "super-energon" that created an instantly perceptible increase in vigour and strength in those who consumed it.

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=== Generation 1: Blackthorne 3D ===
[[Image:Energon_molecule.jpg|thumb|The final molecule needed for pure energon, which cannot be manufactured, is highlighted at the right. There will be a quiz on Friday, so pay attention.]]
The first issue of [[Blackthorne Publishing]]'s ''[[Transformers in 3D]]'' comics featured an unusually specific discussion of energon, although it is outside of mainline continuity, and this information has not been re-used in other canonical sources.

According to Blackthorne, "pure energon" consists of several molecules (perhaps in the form of a macromolecule), one of which contains an element actually named "energon", which cannot be synthesized. The whole macromolecule is often refered to simply as energon.

The element energon is required for the creation of "pure" energon. This implies that an "impure" energon may exist that can be manufactured without the element energon, but is still referred to as energon because of its similar physical properties.

=== IDW Comics Continuity ===

Energon is at the heart of the revised continuity introduced in ''[[Infiltration]]'' and ''[[Stormbringer_(comics)|Stormbringer]]'' arcs. The Transformers apparently stripped Cybertron of its resources (including Energon) during the Autobot-Decepticon War, precipitating the cataclysm that rendered the planet sterile. Thus, the Transformers are spread across the galaxy, seeking new or synthetic sources of fuel - [[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]] mentions "artificial Energon derivatives" and "scrabbling for micro-ergs of some foul local brew".

The extent of Autobot energy-harvesting operations is as yet unknown, but it is clear that the Decepticons infiltrate and destabilise established societies with developed technology (presumably because local technology makes Energon harvesting quicker and easier) before stripping the infiltrated planets bare. The Autobots typically work to counter Decepticon infiltration units, possibly to deny the Decepticons new sources of energy as much as to protect the unwitting peoples of each planet from Decepticon pillaging.

An offhanded comment made by [[Ratchet_(G1)|Ratchet]] indicates that one method for consuming Energon is the use of a delivery capsule. Presumably, this is the large, coffin-like device used by [[Starscream_(G1)|Starscream]] in the first two pages of [[Infiltration issue 6|''Infiltration'' #6]].

The discovery on Earth of [[Ore-13]], an ore that can be purified into a unique and highly powerful form of Energon, threatens to throw humanity's home straight into the middle of the conflict as both Autobots and Decepticons vie for control of it. Unknown to either faction, Ore-13 was actually created by the Decepticon [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], who seeded Earth with the substance millions of years ago as part of a project he called [[Spotlight:_Shockwave|Regenesis]].

Back on Cybertron, another form of Energon has been discovered by both an Autobot science team led by [[Jetfire_(G1)|Jetfire]] and a Decepticon group led by [[Bludgeon_(G1)|Bludgeon]]; the latter group has used this "Ultra Energon" to resurrect the avatar of the Cybertronian apocalypse, the Decepticon [[Thunderwing_(G1)|Thunderwing]], in a plot to restore Cybertron to its former glory. Given that Bludgeon had uncovered Shockwave's Regenesis project, Ultra-Energon and Ore-13 may be the same substance.

==Beast Era==

As the Blackthorne comics had done before them, the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]] treated energon as an element in its own right, rather than a refined product of other energies. The ''Beast Wars'' handling of energon was centered around the concept of the element existing in a naturally-occurring raw state as [[Energon crystal|unstable crystal]]s which generated [[Energon radiation|powerful radiation]]. With extended exposure, this radiation threatened to overload the circuits of a normal Transformer, but could not penetrate through organic layers. When [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s crews arrived on prehistoric Earth and discovered the planet to be rich in raw energon, they adopted organic-skinned beast modes for the express purpose of shielding themselves from the radiation.

Although all appearances indicate that energon crystals can be naturally occurring, it was later revealed that the crystals on Earth has been seeded on the planet by the mysterious aliens known as the [[Vok]], apparently as part of their back-up plan to sterilize Earth should the experiment they were conducting on it be disrupted somehow. The [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] qualified as such a disruption, and using their [[Planet Buster]] weapon, the Vok detonated the vast majority of Earth's energon with a massive energy beam. The Planet Buster was destroyed by Optimus Primal, and much of the energon not destroyed was converted into a stable state in the form of solid cubes, also known as "energon cubes."

It is interesting to note that in the second episode of the pilot, Dinobot mentions that only Tarantulas has the skill necessary to "segment" raw Energon. What the segmentation process does is unknown, as it was never shown on-screen. However this does make one wonder how the Maximals were able to use the Energon for their own needs (unless one of the Maximals, perhaps Rhinox or Rattrap, knew the process themselves, another bit of info never stated). Also, there was never any consumption of Energon shown in Beast Wars, save for Terrorsaur's interesting way of absorbing raw Energon directly into his superstructure.

''To bring the Beast Era's portrayal of energon into line with G1's, further writings by parties such as [[Dreamwave]] have presented crystalline energon as the natural state of the mineral, which can then be manually processed to create the safer, more usable liquid energon of G1.''

==Energon==
In the [[Energon (franchise)|''Energon'']] series, energon is presented differently. According to the series's production notes, Energon is formed "as the planets came into contact with solar winds" and create "solar energy crystals from the sun's genetic material," whatever that means. It is suggested that [[One|The Source]] who created [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] was Energon itself, sort of a primordial entity. Once the big bang occurred, Energon manifested in the form of various planets and the like. Energon is the key and origin of life and continuously evolves new lifeforms. It is this reason that it is found everywhere in this universe. In this form, it functions much like solar photons. It is said that all life spawns from the 'genetics of solar energy', which is also the essence of Primus. Primus is also known as the Light God, in reference to his status connecting him to Energon. Energon signifies the presence of Primus.

The sub-factions known as [[Omnicon]]s and [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s have the unique ability to refine energon and to shape [[Energon weapons]] and power-enhancing [[Energon chip]]s (also called Energon Stars). Omnicon-refined energon is red, while Terrorcon produced energon stars are a more yellowish-green. Terrorcon-produced Energon reacts badly when most Transformers even touch it, sending the one who grabbed it into system shock. However, it appears that those whose superstructures are in some manner Unicron-fashioned (like the Terrorcons) are immune to its negative effects. As such, it's possible these Transformers would have the same negative reaction to an Omnicon-forged Energon Star.

When Terrorcons munch on it, it crunches like a potato chip. When it's made into an energon star, it clanks like a metal plate.

There is also evidence that refined Energon can come in a variety of other colors, including purple, black, and more metallic tones. What other effects these other Energon colors have is undetermined at this time.

There also exist other types of energon: green energon, a corrupted form of the substance that flows through the body of [[Unicron]]; and blue "[[super energon]]", which exists in a pool inside an ancient temple far below the surface of Cybertron.

== Classics continuity ==

A huge store of energon is discovered on Earth. It turns out to be [[Rarified Energon]], hidden there long ago by [[Primus]] as a reserve. In this rarified form energon is the basic primary component of all Transformers' bodies and sparks. According to the caretaker of this energon, the universe's supply of the material is running low and if this is not fixed no future Transformers will ever come online.

==Animated==
It seems that energon in this continuity follows the same pattern as the energon of G1, in that it is a form of energy contained within shiny pink cubes. It also must be considered highly valuable, as one [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel]] was stupid/greedy enough to put [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|his]] [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|friends]] in danger in order to get it.

==Trivia==
*Drinking [[Liquid Energon]] makes robots get <s>drunk</s> "overcharged", shout "Energy! Energy!", talk about the "good ol' days", then pass out when the enemy attacks them. {{storylink|Microbots}}

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Shockwave (Animated)

2008-06-14T15:21:47Z

Sntint: Episodes are spoiler-protected until the *following* episode airs, yes?

{{disambig3|Shockwave}}
:''Shockwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:TFA Shockwave.jpg|thumb|250px|My awesomeness is logical.]]

'''Shockwave''' is a covert agent in service to [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. A master of disguise, he represents Megatron's long-term plans, if outright military conquest proves unfeasible. He's been in deep cover on Cybertron for so long that even ''he'' probably doesn't know who he really is, but he provides the inside scoop on what the Autobots are doing.

==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor'': [[Corey Burton]] (English)
{{spoiler|Autoboot Camp|june 21, 10:30AM}}
Shockwave was recruited by Megatron because his mass-shifting abilities allowed him to effectively impersonate a wide variety of shapes and sizes, making it difficult for Autobots to accurately track him during missions of infiltration and sabotage. It was these traits which led to Megatron sending him to enlist in the Autobot armed services, as a means of climbing the ranks and eventually taking the organization down from within.

Unfortunately, during his initial boot camp training Shockwave slipped up and was overheard reporting to Megatron by the black sheep recruit [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]. Seeing his fellow recruit [[Wasp]] (probably Shockwave) leaving the building shortly afterwards, Bumblebee was aware there was a traitor in their midst, and suspected Wasp. Turning to espionage-savvy [[Longarm Prime|Longarm]], the young Autobot set out to expose the traitor as a means to ensuring his career in the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]]. As Bumblebee got closer to the truth, Shockwave had to take matters into his own hands and switched the training equipment to live ammo in an attempt to offline the Autobot.

To get the annoying Autobot off his track, Shockwave planted a communicator in Wasp's footlocker to frame him as a traitor. In the end the matter was settled with Wasp being dragged off to prison, a piece of deductive work which Longarm commended Bumblebee for. Years later Wasp, now criminally insane, escaped from prison, and Megatron started receiving transmissions from his double agent on Cybertron. Bumblebee again suspected Wasp, and informed his old friend Longarm, now Longarm Prime, head of [[Cybertron Intelligence]]. Longarm Prime expressed his pleasure at hearing from Bumblebee and Bulkhead again, and promised to deal with the matter of the traitor personally. Very personally, as he reported back to Megatron that the Autobots didn't suspect a thing and that Wasp's jailbreak had been the perfect distraction. Megatron's plan had succeeded, and in the guise of Longarm Prime Shockwave was ready to take the Autobots down from the inside. {{storylink|Autoboot Camp}}

==Trivia==
* Shockwave's body appears to be largely patterned after ''[[Armada]]'' [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]]; he transforms into an "H-tank", the front treads end up on his shoulders, and his helmet features large, serrated blades of the kind found on Megatron's ''Armada''-body helmet. However, he retains the [[Shockwave (G1)|classic Shockwave]] window-chest and face that is little more than a single, round optic. It is unknown at this time if one of his hands retracts to reveal a blaster-cannon.

* Actor Corey Burton reprises the role of Shockwave from Generation One.

* Despite not having a face, Shockwave still manages to have a chin. Granted, it is not as outlandishly large as [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|some]] [[Starscream (Animated)|others]] [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|are.]]

* Shockwave has been entrusted to remain on Cybertron with the mission to prepare the place for Megatron's return. Humm... [[Shockwave_(G1)#Cartoon_continuity|Déjà vu]]!

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Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

2008-06-13T16:29:40Z

Sntint: /* Comfirmed list */

We know that it wants to be done, we know that people are signed on and that there are already new characters being thought-up, but we don't have official confirmation that there will be a sequel. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 12:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

On the other hand, considering the take, they'd be nuts not to do a sequel.

I think this article should stay. It seems obvious that they will make a transformers 2, after how well the first one has done they'd never pass a chance up to make a sequal. This article gives good information on what is known so far about the possible t2 and as it furthers in developement this article will be the perfect spot to place the updates.
---Guest

Scary enough, Moviefone has a listing for "Transformers 2", with a 2010 "release date". --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Given that an admittedly somewhat tentative release date has already been announced[http://www.allspark.com/news/transformers-2-june-26-2009-20070925.html], I'd say we certainly should have a TF2 article- however, I also have to admit that this current version needs a lot of work.--[[User:TVsGrady|TVsGrady]] 19:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I think my sources are accurate, but I unfortunately do not remember where I heard all this stuff I put on. [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 16:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:Then ''don't put your bullshit in'', Kremzeek. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:58, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is he? Why do you all think I'm him? No one has ever given me a link to this guy so I dont know who he is! '''Tell me who is Kremzeek?''' [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 17:36, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I say move this article to the 'Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen' page. The title is more percise plus I incorrectly thought the article 'Transformers 2' was about the 'Transformers: Generation Two' line. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 17:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Citations Needed ==

For the alleged facts that were already in the article, it would be best if we could have references for them, to avoid this page becoming rampant speculation and rumormongering. So, I added a bunch of "Citation Needed". [[User:JW|JW]] 20:06, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Man, you are evil. (I'm assuming you erased what I wrote.) Everything I had in there was logical. For example, I learned about the aircraft carrier on Wikipedia, and saw Starscream flying into space on the TRansformers DVD. I am learning the whole wiki business one step at a time, and currently, I have no idea how to make citations.{{unsigned|Crosshairs-1}}
:Please learn how to make edits properly before making edits. Practice on your user page, and study how existing pages were made. The wiki itself is not a training ground. Edits that aren't up to our standards will be reverted.
:Also, please study the history of any given page before making wrong accusations about who edited what.
:Also also, please sign your posts to talk pages. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:23, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

== Writers Strike stuff ==

With the strike over, and no particular evidence it slowed the development of TF2 much, I'm thinking the whole paragraph about the strike could just be cut. Five years from now, it would just say something like, "A year and a half before TF2 was released, there was a multi-month writers strike in Hollywood, which didn't have much effect on the movie." That's pretty uninteresting. Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 19:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno. I do think it's interesting that Bay was so fired up before the strike that he just forged ahead on movie prep without even having a script.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
I think you should rephrase that--He did have a script, but it was more of the ouline they completed after TWO WEEKS of writing, and he turned it into a script..with some 'michael bay humor' added..whatever that means..and they've even said they're not sure if they can undo or fix certain things, so they are seeing what is too far along to fix and what isnt..and what of this 'realease date' of 2010? is it true?--[[User:Chipmonk329|Chipmonk329]]

Transformers 2 script leak..or so it says...I want to see if you think this is true or not:
http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2007/10/transfomers-2-leaked-script.html
---[[User:Chipmonk329|Chipmonk329]]

==ROTF==

This is NOT offically confirmed, so it shouldn't be listed here. Yes the name was registered a few weeks back, as were three or four others. Until Paramount or Hasbro or someone officially releases it, shouldn't be mentioned here. The site that released this is no more offical then the one that said we'd be getting Devastator, and we're not putting that up. [[User:GWolfv2]] 16.46 June 5th
:I assumed Don Murphy was official enough, but okay. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6 Confirmation from Hasbro] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Don Murphy is as reliable a source as Michael Bay on these things. Hasbro on the other hand...thanks for thatKilMichael [[User:GWolfv2]]

Why is The Link from a key character to megatron? I Thought it would be starscream. After all, he isn't dead, and there is the fact that they even had an escape sequence.

On the other Hand Fallen=Unicron which could me Galvatron.

Wait, wait, wait... When was "Revenge of the Fallen" confirmed? Because I've heard nothing about that name whatsoever (maybe because my PC is being a bitch and won't bring up TFW2005).--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 00:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:There is a hyperlink to Hasbro somewhere. Hint: It's in this section. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:04, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

== More details confirmed(?) ==

[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com What do you think?] Sound trustworthy, or should we call BS on it for the moment? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 16:41, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
:Those come form a supposed leak, and I think we're avoiding those [[User:GWolfv2]] 17.47 June 6th

For the cast, can we confirm more Autobots than just [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]? People have spotted the vehicles for [[Ratchet (Movie)|Rachet]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], hell even [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]]'s vehicle (even though Bay said "No Jazz in TF2". And now pics from the set and casting call are supporting [[Arcee (Movie)|Arcee]] as one of the characters as well with a holo-driver. Of course these aren't confirmed by producers or directors, but they at the set so could we? Pretty please? These are just things that I've seen over the past week on the interwebs; so what do y'all think?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 03:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
:[http://www.slashfilm.com/2008/06/08/first-look-jetfire-in-transformers-2/ Jetfire] has been confirmed as a [http://bp1.blogger.com/_G96gxvrHqrE/SEtVNTRPGRI/AAAAAAAACAI/7szdo-WkzEc/s1600-h/SmithsonianSetPics3.jpg SR-71 Blackbird]. [[User:Felancer Prime|Felancer Prime]] 14:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
::Given how character names changed during production of the first film, it is a bit premature to say that "Jetfire" is confirmed. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm, you bring up a good point. But reguardless, someone has been confirmed, and that someone's altmode is an SR-17 Blackbrid. The name is currently Jetfire, but it's not set in stone. I guess that's how I should've worded it. [[User:Felancer Prime|Felancer Prime]] 05:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
::::We will not add information to these pages based on snuck photographs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:43, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::What exactly is you definition of "snuck photos"?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 04:12, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Hint: if you think there's a chance these photos might qualify as 'snuck,' then they '''do'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

==Comfirmed list==
This is a list of robots that were mentioned on wikipedia so far

*Optimus prime
*Bumblebee
*Ratchet
*Ironhide
*Arcee
*Starscream
*Barricade
*Soundwave
*Jetfire

Scorponok wasn't seen dead nor mentioned dead but he is uncomfirmed to appear in the 2nd Movie. [[Special:Contributions/82.17.140.55|82.17.140.55]] 15:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

:Wikipedia alone is not a verifiable source. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

MediaWiki talk:AdminSkin

2008-06-13T03:28:37Z

Sntint: /* Playing with the color scheme. */

Uhh... light blue and gunky brown? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 04:05, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:I'm just glad I made the PNG well enough that I don't have to worry while they experiment... --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm not digging it either. Maybe we could do up a theme of our own if none of the options available really work. It wouldn't be ''that'' hard. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[User:Toughpigs|Toughpigs]] has voiced willingness to help cook up a custom Monaco theme if we want. Could even have a background image for the top bar akin to Wookieepedia or Stargate. Personally I'm less concerned with the color scheme and more hoping we can nail down a good layout for the sidebar menus soon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::And I should mention that he ''thinks'' he may be able to find a way to put the random character thumbnail in there somewhere. Not sure how far he got on that, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
::::If we do that, can we do it completely differently? Having it force down the searchbox while I'm trying to click on it was really really annoying, and having "search" printed on it is misleading anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah, if you want, I can definitely help with a custom Monaco skin... Or, more accurately, I can ask [[User:Scarecroe|Scott]] to help with it, cause he's better at it than I am.

:::There's instructions on this page: [[w:c:help:Help:Customizing Monaco|Monaco Skin Customization]]. It's all done through adding bits of code to [[MediaWiki:Monaco.css]]. Changing the colors is really easy -- you just find the right bit of .css code, and swap in the color that you want. (I use [http://www.pitt.edu/~nisg/cis/web/cgi/rgb.html this page] to find color codes.)

:::There's two tricky bits. To change the color of the Wikia logo and the drop-down menus in the top header, you need to upload those as .png files. There are some sample logos and menu headers [[w:c:help:Help:Customizing Monaco/Header Menu Colors|here]], or you can make your own. The other tricky bit is making the background strip behind the logo.

:::Here are some examples of customized Monaco skins, if you want some ideas: [[w:c:starwars|Wookieepedia]], [[w:c:marveldatabase|Marvel Database]], [[w:c:dcdatabase|DC Database]], [[w:c:stargate|Stargate Wiki]], [[w:c:ffxi|FFXIclopedia]], [[w:c:marvel-movies|Marvel Movies]], and [[w:c:speedracer|Speed Racer]].

:::If you want help with the customization, just let me know what you'd like it to look like. Or just go ahead and play with it.

:::I asked [[User:BladeBronson|Christian]] about the random character thumbnail -- he's the widget designer. I'll let you know what I hear from him. Meanwhile, there's another widget that you might find interesting -- the Image Slideshow.

<gallery>
Image:Transformers-imageslideshow1.jpg
Image:Transformers-imageslideshow2.jpg
Image:Transformers-imageslideshow3.jpg
</gallery>

:::It's a widget that appears in the sidebar that displays images. You can set it to show the most recent images, random images from the site, or images that pull from a list that you can create. You can set it to run as a slideshow, scroll through it, or pause it.

:::I haven't used that widget yet, so there's a few things that I don't know. It may actually be possible to use that (or modify it) to be the random character thumbnail. If we can set it as the default for all visitors on this wiki, default it to pull from the list that you create, and set it to send people to the article instead of the image page when you click on it... then that's exactly what you guys want. I'll check to see how it all works. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 17:21, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I can remove the "SEARCH" from those random character images easily enough, since it's all one PSD file anyway. I was mostly follwoing Wookieepedia's lead there. If we're on the subject of customizing it... well, what's the max width? I could see it taking up maybe half again as much vertical space as well for a little more visibility, and instead of "SEARCH" have, say, "GO!" to the right. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Any progress on tweaking the color scheme or skin? I for one don't mind the blue so much, but maybe we could replace the sandy color with red (white text, probably). Maybe tweak the blues so they're shades of the same blue in the TFA logo and thus they don't clash.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:And after toying around with some of the default schemes, I didn't like how the Autobot symbol looked on them so I altered it slightly. The PNG should now be boffo with just about any dang scheme.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== So... ==

So, no moves towards a better colour scheme? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 01:07, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:After looking at the TFA packaging, I've made this:
[[Image:TFA style ziptone bg.gif]]
:Now, the Monaco customization page says if we were to implement this, it would be the following added to the CSS:
<pre>
#background_strip {
background-color: white;
}

#accent_graphic1 {
background-image: url(http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/6/6b/TFA_style_ziptone_bg.gif);
height: 155px;
width: 300px;
}
</pre>
:If we were to use that as the top strip, and somehow get rid of the sandy colors and the brown, I'd say we'd be doing pretty well.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Strip's going now, remember... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, the wide masthead is going. The design document states the background strip will still be available for further customization. Personally I'd love it if we emulated TFA's packaging a little more. It's got a pretty clean look, and it's based around a white background. Perfect for our needs in that the admins don't want things looking too busy.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::*puts the code in his wikia css file*
::::Huh, that doesn't look half bad. it's hard to see what it'd look like on our site though. Um... *noodlesin photoshop*
::::[http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/strip_test.png there!] Something like this. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:57, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Ah keen, glad to see it works out well. That's almost exactly what I was aiming for.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

::::::Hi -- I don't want to butt in, just to clarify if you need it. The background strip will still be there, but most of it will be hidden behind the edit bar and the article area. You can see how it works on [[w:c:communitytest|Communitytest]] -- that logo is transparent, and then the white behind it is the background strip.

::::::There's some css trickery that'll allow you to move the article space back down, to reveal the background strip. But that means you lose some article space, so it's up to you guys how you want to handle it. Let me know if you want to know the details -- I don't know how to do it myself, but I could find out. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 18:07, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, thank you Danny, we have actually ported that test over to our wikia global.css files to see it on communitytest. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:16, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Well, this one's designed to be mostly white space with some accent color. Very much intended to look good in both Monaco-1 and Monaco-2.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:15, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

== Playing with the color scheme. ==

Toyed with the customization suggestions a bit more, and so far this seems to work quite well:
<pre>
.color1, .color1 a {
background-color: darkblue;
color: White;
}

.color2 {
background-color: #000077;
}

#wikia_header {
border-color: #FFF;
color: #FFF;
}
#wikia_header {
background-color: darkblue;
border-color: white;
}
#header_username a {
color: white;
}
.headerMenuButton dt, .headerMenuButton dd {
background-image: url(http://images.wikia.com/help/images//d/dc/Whiteheaderbutton.png);
}
* html .headerMenuButton dt, * html .headerMenuButton dd {
background-image: none;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='http://images.wikia.com/help/images//d/dc/Whiteheaderbutton.png', sizingMethod='crop');
}
.headerMenu, .headerMenu a {
background-color: white;
color: black;
-moz-opacity: .95;
opacity: .95;
}
#wikia_logo {
background-image: url(http://images.wikia.com/help/images//b/b2/Whitelogo.png);
}
* html #wikia_logo {
background-image: none;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='http://images.wikia.com/help/images//b/b2/Whitelogo.png', sizingMethod='crop');
}

#background_strip {
background-color: white;
}

#accent_graphic1 {
background-image: url(http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/6/6b/TFA_style_ziptone_bg.gif);
height: 155px;
width: 300px;
}
#search_box {
background-color: darkblue;
}

#search_button {
background-image: url(http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/a/ad/Ancient_autobot_search_button.png);
}
* html #search_button {
background-image: none;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader(src='http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/a/ad/Ancient_autobot_search_button.png', sizingMethod='crop');
}

#link_box {
background-color: #efefff;
color: black;
}

.widget dt {
color: white;
background-color: darkblue;
}
.community_details {
background-color: #efefff;
border: 1px solid #9f9fff;
}

#page_bar {
background-color: #dd0000;
}
</pre>
Thoughts? This is of course in keeping with the background strip above.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:Too bright. I liked the subdued Dirge-themed color scheme. It was relaxing.
:(For anyone playing along, just copy the code Rodicrucian is proposing to you [[User:Derik/monaco.css]] user CSS page, then you can see what it would look like!) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:24, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::Fair enough. I tried to keep the blues a bit darker, but I'm still emulating TFA packaging for the most part.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:36, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Transformers-imageslideshow1.jpg|thumb]]
:::I thought the Dirge colors were intentional. Perhaps we shouldn't choose a design aesthetic whose purpose is to "jump off the shell and scream 'buy me'"? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:38, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Nah. Walky picked that out of the blue one day after we were initially on Monaco Sapphire, and then everyone complained about the sandy bits and brown bits. Is it the reds that are too bright? Because that's easy to tone down.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:47, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Some of the sandy text is a bit stubborn, and the documentation is not too forthcoming on what governs it. The background blue still clashes with everything else, which bugs the snot out of me. Going all the way from red to darkred on the page bar seems a bit ''too'' dark, so I'm trying some shade in between. Should have a screenie of my latest mockup soon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:22, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Hmm. #dd0000 is looking like a happy medium.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::<nowiki>#</nowiki>d0000d is a ''hilarious'' hex value. I recommend it.
:::::::''...and Runamuck would be all- "Man, I got so hammered last night... I can't even find my car!" And Runabout would be all like- "#d0000d, you are your car!"'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Aha! They're defining the background background as color2 rather than any sort of useful or intuitive name. Nearly there...--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:Oh, that is ''extra stupid''. If you set color2 too dark, latest activity is unreadable. If you set it too light, the Wikia text at the bottom is unreadable. One section uses black text, the other white, it's all higgledy-piggledy.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:50, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::The conclusion I'm coming to is that there appear to be a sparse few settings that are determined ''solely'' by the skin you are modding off of, which are prominent enough to be fairly annoying. Either that or the documentation is woefully incomplete.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:::<nowiki>*previews*</nowiki> Still too high-contrast. It's stressful on the eyes. What areas are you stuck in setting the colors of? Title text on the left collumn? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:17, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::The sticking points are pretty much artifacts of whatever the underlying modded skin is:
::::*Username on Wikia header
::::*Header titles on sidebar boxes (Community, Wikia Spotlight, Languages, Related Communities)
::::*The Wikia footer
::::Any clues?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:21, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::Or to illustrate where I'm seeing the text color issues... --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Csswtf.jpg|thumb|right]]
Alright, I have just beat the everloving ''snot'' out of Wookieepedia's Monaco.css, and come up with something I'm mostly pleased with. The titles on the sidebar are still eluding me, but I figured out how to color the latest activity box separately from color2, and that solved the issue of the footer. The header's username now looks very happy indeed. I ''think'' this is almost ready for primetime so criticism is welcome.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 
:Aha! Success! The above code now produces the below picture.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Monacoisnowmybiznitch.jpg|thumb|right]]
 
::<nowiki>*tests here &@ communitytest*</nowiki>
::The red-on white dottiness feels a bit... clobbery on the eyes, in all honesty. The navy's better than the beach shade of blue, but although I didn't like the dark beige, the dark red vs. white feels harsh. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 01:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I dunno. I guess to a certain degree I did straightjacket myself a bit with the color scheme and what I was aiming for. The ziptone wipe is meant to just be accent color, and I did tone down the red page bar a bit, but if it was too light it looked a bit garish and if it was too dark it didn't look truly red. I kind of felt like I needed ''some'' red in there to keep the blue from taking over.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:04, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I really like that RW&B, personally. It feels TFey. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:28, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

So where's this documentation of the skin controls you mention? It seems like a fun starting point.
:I started at [[w:c:help:Help:Customizing Monaco|Customizing Monaco]] and found it to gloss over some of the details, though it's great for simple mods. From there I browsed [[w:c:help:Help:Examples_of_customized_Monaco_skins|Examples of customized Monaco skins]] which took me the rest of the way after I figured out how Wookieepedia's was put together (after some frustration). By the by, the code above now also alters the search box's icon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Octopunch (G1)

2008-06-09T04:41:24Z

Sntint: Undo revision 194740. Grammarless uncited trivia tacked on to the bottom of the page.

:''Octopunch is a [[Decepticon]] [[Pretender]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[image:Octopunch.jpg|thumb|right|250px|I shot [[Primus|God]], right in the FACE!]]

Not a single doubloon of sunken treasure is safe from '''Octopunch's''' slimy tentacles. A greedy scavenger, Octopunch spends most of his free time dredging the murky ocean depths for the riches that lie hidden there. (What he does with these riches is none of your business.) Unlike other robots with [[Scavenger (G1)|similar]] [[Nautilator (G1)|functions]], Octopunch is also . . . well, not completely incompetent. He is a fearsome warrior above or beneath the waves, and is not afraid of [[Primal Scream|a little heresy]] to get the job done.

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Octocoup'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Bludgeonstrangleholdoctopunchmodelsheet.jpg|left|thumb|250px|If you ever wanted to see his [[character model]], this is probably it.]]

''Looking to recruit a new [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] to go after the traitorous former members, [[Carnivac]] and [[Catilla]], Snarler hired Octopunch and his comrades [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and [[Stranglehold]] for the squad. For training purposes with their fellow recruits [[Needlenose]] and [[Spinister]], they engaged in a solid light simulated combat session set in [[Slaughter City]], and Octopunch managed to destroy the sim versions of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] AND [[Fortress Maximus]] in the first few minutes (mmmmaybe it was still set on 'Easy' mode). {{storylink|Hunting Party!}} On Earth, the Mayhems caught up with Carnivac on the outskirts of Dallas, Texas, and their fight soon carried across the border into the Mexico deserts. After Carnivac caught Needlenose flat-footed, Octopunch forced him to disengage and leave his [[Pretender]] shell by threatening some nearby humans. Infuriated at seeing a fellow Decepticon surrender simply because of some fleshlings, Octopunch prepared to deliver the death-blow to Carnivac. {{storylink|Survival Run!}} However, those self-samed fleshlings came to the rescue of their savior, driving a transport truck at full-speed into the Mayhems' backside, giving Carnivac a chance to scramble clear. The resulting explosion took Octopunch out of the rest of the fight. His fellow Mayhems eventually dragged him clear when the rest of the [[Survivors]] arrived and they retreated, but not before Bludgeon managed to execute the traitor Catilla with his blade. {{storylink|A Savage Place!}}''

Octopunch was part of the Mayhem Attack Squad (alongside Bludgeon and Stranglehold) sent by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] to assassinate the [[Autobot]] Pretenders [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], Grimlock, and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], after their revival on Cybertron stirred the spirits of the Autobot rebellion and threatened Decepticon supremacy. After a [[Trans-time dimensional portal]] accident cut short their first assassination attempt, Octopunch and the rest of the Squad followed the Autobots into the core of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Surprisingly, Cybertron's core contained none other then [[Primus]] himself! {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}} The Mayhems made a second attempt to destroy the Autobot Pretenders, but Octopunch found out that Grimlock is much harder to kill in real life than in a simulation. After the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] commander headbutted Octopunch, shattering his faceplate, the [[Micromaster]]s [[Stakeout]] and [[Red Hot]] tripped him over the edge of a railing, sending him crashing to the floor below. Blacking out, Octopunch made a final attempt to fire at Grimlock, which ended up ricocheting off the Dinobot's armor-plating and striking Primus right between the eyes. Upon being shot, Primus awoke and unleashed a [[Primus#War_of_the_balance|scream]] that eventually drew [[Unicron]] to the Transformers' homeworld. {{storylink|Primal Scream}}

Thanks a LOT, Octopunch.

Octopunch and the other Squad members ended up on Earth, and joined forces with [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. They worked for him until the war against Unicron was successfully won, and Scorponok killed. At this point, Octopunch's comrade Bludgeon assumed command of the Decepticons, and arranged to leave the Autobots stranded on the dying planet of Cybertron while he and the Decepticons began conquering anew. They basically levelled the planet [[Klo]] before the Autobots managed to catch a ride and track them down. Wiping out nearly all the Autobots in the battle that followed, Octopunch led a squad consisting of [[Quake]], [[Fangry]], and [[Weirdwolf]] to pick off the stragglers. Grimlock and his surviving warriors fought back and, with the arrival of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Last Autobot]], the fight turned against the Decepticons, and Bludgeon and his crew were forced to slink away. {{Storylink|End of the Road! (Marvel US comic)|End of the Road!}}

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}

''Although their last target, Carnivac, was still at large, the Mayhem Attack Squad reasoned that he would inevitably come to them, seeking revenge for the death of his comrade, Catilla. Therefore, they set up a heavily defended island base in the Bahamas to wait out the traitor's arrival. Sure enough, Carnivac did arrive, and took out Needlenose before anyone even knew he was there. {{storylink|Cry Wolf!}} Things got more complicated after that, but while he lost his Pretender shell, Carnivac also killed Spinister and Snarler. Octopunch and his colleagues were planning to go down fighting against Carnivac's back-up, the combined Autobot Earthforce and Survivors, but instead Carnivac insisted they let them live, denied a warrior's death. {{storylink|Where Wolf?}}''

''Sometime later, Octopunch, Bludgeon and Strangehold managed to escape captivity at the Earthbase. {{storylink|Shut Up!}} They hooked up with the deposed Decepticon leaders, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], taking an assassination contract for the usurpers, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. {{storylink|External Forces!}} Problem was, the Autobots needed Starscream alive for their own reasons, and so Grimlock sent [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] in to fight against the Mayhems. It was surely a brutal battle, but Octopunch and the others were defeated, their contract unfulfilled. {{storylink|The Lesser Evil!}}''

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''In 1990, Octopunch was working for [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] on Cybertron along with Bludgeon, Stranglehold, and [[Warmonger]]. After some Autobot captives temporarily escaped, Megatron determined there was a traitor in their midst, and singled out Bludgeon. When the Pretender demanded a trial by combat, Megatron set him loose to face his fellow Decepticons on the field of battle. In the fight, Bludgeon scored first blood against Octopunch, but the salvage expert caught his "once friend" off-guard by popping out of his shell with a flying punch. The punch did little against Bludgeon's armored shell, though, and he knocked Octopunch out. Bludgeon was eventually proven innocent when Warmonger caught him napping but couldn't pull the trigger, thus proving to Megatron that HE was the weak-willed Autobot in disguise. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

{{note|The above story is the earliest known account from the Marvel UK alternate "Movie" timeline. The split between the main comic and the future stories almost certainly took place in 1989, either due to the Time Wars, the events of [[Primal Scream]] where Primus alerted Unicron to his location 15 years early, or both.}}

=====''Another Time and Place''=====

After the war on Klo, Octopunch and the Decepticons lay in wait for [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] to do something stupid, and so he did. Tracking the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] commander and his troops to [[Hydrus Four]], Octopunch and his fellows caught Grimlock off-guard and managed to take control of the medical facility where Nucleon was being produced. Bludgeon had plans to use the super-energy to bring [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] himself back to life. Octopunch was later seen worshipping at the alter of Megatron's corpse alongside Stranglehold and Bludgeon. When the Autobots attacked, Octopunch charged into battle with his electro trident like the others, but was ultimately defeated. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}

====Generation 2====
[[Image:Octopunchtalesofearth.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Wasn't he on ''Scooby-Doo''?]]
Octopunch was one of countless Decepticons under Bludgeon's command when they fought the Autobots over ownership of a cache of weapons on an unnamed barren world. The Decepticons were easily overpowering the Autobots; Octopunch, in particular, was strangling [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] with his tentacles. Bludgeon ordered a retreat when a gigantic, monstrous creature who guarded their quarry warned them away. {{storylink|Ghosts}}

Later, Octopunch and the other Decepticons were ordered to rampage across Earth in order to get Optimus Prime's attention. {{storylink|Tales of Earth Part One}} Their "work" was interrupted when [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] returned in a powerful new body with [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in tow. Megatron challenged Bludgeon for leadership of the Decepticons, and when Bludgeon lost, Octopunch and the other Decepticons switched their allegiance to the victor. {{storylink|Tales of Earth Part Two}}

Soon after, Megatron's forces clashed with [[Jhiaxus]]'s [[Cybertronian Empire]]. Megatron declared war against them as Octopunch and the other Decepticons cheered him on. Their feelings changed, however, when the Warworld was attacked. Octopunch and the others fought the Cybertronians on the surface of the Warworld, but they were getting massacred. Octopunch was shot in the chest, presumably killed. {{storylink|New Dawn}}

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Octopunch''' (Pretender, 1989)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, small gun, helmet, 2 crab legs (left & right)

[[Image:G1Octopunch_toy.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Yo, where the [[Kiss Players|Japanese schoolgirls]] at?]]

:Octopunch's inner robot transforms into a crab, with the help of two sets of legs that attach to his sides. His Pretender shell is a cross between a deep sea diver and a Japanese delicacy. It has four additional octopus-like tentacles extending from his shoulders, and a detachable helmet. Though, if you don't want to have nightmares, don't detach it. (There's a reason he was drawn in the comics with only his teeth visible under the helmet...) Unfortunately, Octopunch does NOT come with the wicked trident he uses in the comics. Pity.

:The shell's arms, head and helmet are all made from a softer plastic than the rest of the shell.

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==Trivia==
* It was bad enough when Octopunch's ricocheted shot alerted [[Unicron]] to [[Primus]]'s location, resulting in countless deaths and the persisting threat of the Planet Eater. It was later [[retcon]]ned that Octopunch's ricocheted shot not only doomed his own universe to Unicron, but every single Transformers universe in the entire multiverse as well. Better hope there's no [[wikipedia:karma|karma]] in ''Transformers'', or he's got some serious comeuppance due. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Decepticon/Octopunch/octopunch.htm Octopunch at TFU.info]

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[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Generation 2 characters]]
[[Category: Mayhem Attack Squad]]
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Bottle Station

2008-06-08T03:17:59Z

Sntint: Misplaced apostrophe.

[[Image:BottleStation.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The worst pun since [[Sea Clamp]].]]
The '''Bottle Station''' (sic) is a large trailer designed for the purpose of transporting vast quantities of Pepsi to any thirsty sentients [[Pepsi Convoy]] may encounter in his travels. It presumably is linked to Pepsi Convoy's [[CO2 gun]].

Its combat effectiveness is unknown, but one would imagine that being made sticky from powerful jets of carbonated syrup beverage is certainly a detriment in battle, plus it can't be good if it gets into a Transformer's gas tank.

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SUV: Society of Ultimate Villainy

2008-06-01T03:25:58Z

Sntint: /* Miscellaneous trivia */ Phantom comma.

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{{episodenav|animated|24|season=2|prev=A Fistful of Energon|next=Autoboot Camp}}

'''Aided by a mysterious benefactor, Detroit's B-level villains team up to take down the Autobots once and for all.'''

==Summary==

[[Nanosec]] is on the loose again, and leading the [[Autobot]]s for a merry chase. As they pursue him, they wonder how and why he's young again. As they're no closer to catching him, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] instructs [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] to head off down a side street and come back around to cut off his escape. Bumblebee disregards this order, reasoning that he's the "star player" and is more than fast enough to get Nanosec on his own. As he speeds up, a mysterious force hits him and stops him in his tracks, which leaves the other Autobots no room to react. Nanosec escapes, and before Bumblebee can snap out of it the Autobots crash into him. Optimus Prime expresses his disappointment in the little yellow one, and orders him back to base so that [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] can run a diagnostic on his drivetrain.

Bumblebee ignores this order as well, resolving to find Nanosec again to prove to Optimus that he isn't malfunctioning. His search proves fruitless until [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] discovers that due to his scanning of [[Captain Fanzone]]'s car, Bumblebee has a built in police scanner. Hearing a report of a robbery in progress, he reasons it's Nanosec and heads over. He's wrong though, as it turns out to be the [[Angry Archer]]. Not one to look a gift horse in the mouth, he decides to capture the ''other'' villain. Again, he is about to pursue when mysterious blue energy skids him to a halt. Sari urges him to have Ratchet check him out, but he still believes it's nothing serious. A third and final crime scene turns out to be [[Professor Princess]] trying to level a video arcade. Yet again he is stopped by the blue energy, and since it affects him in his robot mode he finally admits he has a problem. However Sari notices that her key reacts when the energy lashes out, and surmises that an AllSpark fragment may be at fault. As she deduces this, a shady figure on a rooftop skulks off.

Soon that same figure meets with the other three villains at her lair, introducing herself as [[Slo-Mo]]. She reveals that she has aided each of them on their respective heists recently, due to her timepiece which can disable machines, even Transformers. She and Nanosec hit it off immediately, due in no small part to the fact that her time-based superpowers are what restored him to the prime of youth. She proposes to all of them that they make a great team, and should form a crime syndicate. Professor Princess protests that she is not a criminal, but is quickly convinced.

Soon, news reports are everywhere regarding the new crime wave and its perpetrators. Bumblebee is quite frustrated at being repeatedly thwarted by Slo-Mo, but is soon hopeful as he hears a burglar alarm. This time the criminals have bitten off more than they can chew, having loaded themselves down with too much loot. They try to escape and are initially successful, stopping Bumblebee. However the cops soon have them surrounded without any getaway car. Slo-Mo receives a call on her watch phone, and gets an offer from an anonymous benefactor. Taking the deal, the gang pile into a garish yellow Hummer and peel out. The police in hot pursuit, their patron speaks through the vehicle's console and tells them he's a big fan of their weird, wacky adventures. He says to consider the Hummer a downpayment on what he hopes will be a beautiful business relationship. Slo-Mo seems less than impressed, as she considers herself the leader of the cartel, and it's just a truck. The voice then tells her to press the red button. A humongous turret rises from the back of the Hummer, blasting the police to smithereens. Having gotten their attention, their newfound benefactor mentions a scheme of heists that should make them all fabulously rich, as they will be stealing components to a weapon they can sell on the open market.

Definitely interested, the gang heads to a Sumdac Systems factory. Angry Archer attempts to blast the lock open with an explosive arrow, but Professor Princess announces that she has defused all of his because she disapproves of violence... unless it is really colorful and pretty. Gleefully blasting an even ''bigger'' hole in the fence, she leads them in. The voice instructs them on what to steal, which is quickly rounded up by Nanosec while Slo-Mo takes care of the police robots. Bumblebee and Sari spot them and speculate on what they're up to based off of the items they stole, but hang back as they realize they'll never catch the crooks if they get blasted by Slo-Mo again. Shadowing the cartel from a safe distance, they follow them to the roof of a parking garage. The gang's unseen patron instructs them on how to assemble the device in spite of their skepticism. Archer and Nanosec ask the purpose of the device and how it's going to make them money. The voice explains that it's ultimately useless without the final piece: Slo-Mo's superpowered timepiece. The crazy doll refuses to give up her superpowers, which angers her benefactor, revealing himself to ''be'' their getaway vehicle, the Decepticon [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]].

Swindle made clear to them that he wasn't about to take "no" for an answer, and he wasn't above using his multitude of weapons systems against the puny fleshlings either. Blasting the floor out from under her cohorts, he squared off against Slo-Mo. She was initially confident that her timepiece would take care of him, but a useful purchase from the Vok proved more than enough to deflect it. Bumblebee raced to intervene, but the debilitating blasts ricocheting off of Swindle's force field meant he couldn't get near the battle. Realizing he was in over his head, he called in Optimus and the other Autobots. Leveling his main cannon at Slo-Mo, Swindle was reminded by the dame that if he blasted her he got nothing. Feeling a bit silly, the Decepticon recovered quickly and revealed he could simply take it using his integrated tractor beam. The MacGuffin retrieved, he then blasted the floor out from under ''her'' too.

Slipping the timepiece into its intended slot in the device, Swindle quickly dialed up his favorite warmonger, [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]. Expressing how glad he was that the old despot was still functional, he bragged about a weapon that would easily turn the tide against the Autobots and consign them to a fate worse than being offlined. His interest piqued, Megatron was nonetheless dubious as to whether Swindle could pull it off. The arms dealer proved only too eager to show off the many merits of his wondrous new invention, and pulled a "But wait, that's not all!" that succeeded in blacking out every mechanical device in Detroit.

Both Bumblebee and the Autobots speeding to the scene were left frozen, unable to move or talk but aware of their surroundings. Sari noticed however that [[Sumdac Tower]] was still powered up, and deduced that its emergency forcefield kicked in, protecting it from the device as long as the emergency generators held. Unfortunately, being a little girl Sari had no real chance of dragging Bumblebee until he was safely within the tower. She received aid from an unexpected source, the spurned cartel who wanted to even the score with Swindle. Aiding her in transporting Bumblebee, they watched as she used her key to gain access to the tower, only to see to her dismay that the receptionist had been reprogrammed to announce that it was [[Porter C. Powell|Powell Tower]]. Bumblebee was soon revived, and Sari was able to use her key to jury rig personal force fields for both the Autobot and his new team of villainous backup.

Though Swindle proves quite ready for the big payback, the villains manage to buy enough time for Bumblebee to sucker-punch the Decepticon with his stingers whilst Sari deactivates the device with her key. Slo-Mo attempts to retrieve her timepiece and a scuffle ensues, resulting in it falling over the ledge and directly into Swindle's hands. All seems lost, but Bumblebee is hopeful that the other Autobots will arrive soon. This proves to be well-founded, but Swindle soon is about to turn the timepiece upon Bumblebee's backup. Proving he's learned ''nothing'' over the span of this mis-adventure, the little yellow Autobot charges in and lets his forcefield deflect the Decepticon's shot, paralyzing Swindle. Optimus Prime once again scolds the young hot shot, but Bumblebee gloats, shooting out Swindle's tires. Meanwhile the villains, showing ''why'' they're B-grade, attempt to escape in Swindle only to be apprehended by the timely arrival of Captain Fanzone and the police. Fanzone notes that Swindle will be stripped at a police impound lot and sold for parts. He seems quite confident that the police department will get their Christmas bonus checks this year.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Dean Stefan]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Irineo Maramba]], [[Ciro Nieli]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 31, 2008

===Featured characters===


(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s

! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |

*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (2)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (3)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (5)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (12)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |

*[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] (10)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |

*[[Nanosec]] (1)
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (6)
*[[Angry Archer]] (7)
*[[Professor Princess]] (8)
*[[Slo-Mo]] (9)
*[[Captain Fanzone]] (13)

|}

==Quotes==

"An Autobot. Verily, the arrows of outrageous misfortune seek to pierce me to the quick. ''Exeunt!''"
:{{m-}}'''Angry Archer'''. Yon criminal maketh his escape...or something.

"Explosions aren't nice.... except when they look like ''BEAUTIFUL RAINBOWS!''"
:{{m-}}'''Professor Princess''', ever the fashion plate.

"Ooh, I like a man who works fast!" 
"And I like a girl who takes it slow."
:{{m-}}'''Slo-Mo''' and '''Nanosec''' go over the target audience's heads. Hopefully.

"Negatronic force field emitter. A little something I picked up in an arms deal with the Vok of Nexus Zero. Nice creatures, the Vok. If you're ever in the Nexus Zero area, do yourself a favor and check them out. You won't be sorry."
:{{m-}}'''Swindle''' thinks the Vok are quite nice. It probably helps if they're not [[Planet Buster|destroying your planet]].

"Welcome to Sumdac Tower. Porter C. Powell is a booger-head."
:{{m-}}'''Receptionist-Bot''' calls it like it is...with a little help from Sari Sumdac.

'''Optimus''': You should have called us sooner. If that weapon had gotten into Megatron's hands{{m-}} 
'''Bumblebee''': I know. I guess I just wanted to prove that I still had my touch. 
'''Ratchet''': Well, I hope you learned something about team work. 
'''Bumblebee''': Oh yeah. Even the star player needs backup sometimes. 
:{{m-}}Bumblebee learns the value of teamwork. Humility? Not so much...

==Other notes==

===Continuity errors===
* Nanosec's mugshot should've had a long beard, as he was [[Nanosec (episode)|apprehended]] right after Bumblebee had ran him into old age.
* It was shown throughout the episode that the watch's slowdown effect was only temporary. It only gained the ability to "freeze" its targets permanently when it was put into Swindle's machine. Yet later, Swindle is frozen permanently by a reflected blast from just the watch itself. ''(Or he could have been faking it. The only one who said the effect on him would be permanent was Bumblebee.... whose judgment overall was, to be polite, not the best.)''
* Swindle is all impressed by Vok forcefield technology, but apparently forcefields designed by [[Isaac Sumdac]] are just as powerful. Though Sumdac did steal all his technology from Megatron; perhaps a deal with the Vok was just (much, ''much, MUCH'') safer for Swindle.

===Transformers references===
* Swindle mentions having dealings with the [[Vok]] on [[Nexus Zero]].
* Fanzone mentions Swindle will be stripped and sold as parts. [[B.O.T. (episode)|How ironic]]...

===Real-world references===
* Nanosec and the Archer's team name suggestions of "The Fast and the Villainous" and "The League of Extraordinary Criminals" are references to ''[[Wikipedia:The Fast and the Furious|The Fast and the Furious]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen|The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen]]'', respectively.
* Nanosec calls the Archer "William Smell", referencing legendary Swiss archer [[Wikipedia:William Tell|William Tell]].
* Nanosec says he is "tanned, rested, and ready," which was a slogan attached to a [http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DE6DB103DF932A25754C0A961948260 fake 1988 presidential campaign] for Richard Nixon.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* This episode was first shown in Dubai, United Arab Emirates. It made its English language debut in Canada, one week before its US debut.

* This episode has the most "guest" voice actors yet, at three: [[Brian Posehn]] (Nanosec), [[Kath Soucie]] (Professor Princess), and [[Fred Willard]] (Swindle).

* Bulkhead appears, but says nothing.

* Swindle mentions that he got Megatron's frequency from a "mutual bounty-hunting friend" in exchange for new weaponry. Gee, I wonder who [[Lockdown|THAT]] could be?

* Bumblebee's stingers actually knock Swindle down--the first time in the entire series that this weapon hasn't just bounced ineffectually off a Decepticon's hide. Maybe Swindle should trade off some of his weapons for a little more armor.

* In the end, Swindle is trapped in a state that Bumblebee could stand being in for less than an hour, ''forever'', and the Autobots don't seem to object to him being ripped apart and sold for spare parts. That seems a ''tad'' excesive.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Suv: Society of Ultimate Villainy}}
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Paddles (G1)

2008-05-29T14:19:45Z

Sntint: Undo revision 191518 by 155.219.241.10 (talk)

{{disambig2|the character named Paddles|the story in which he appears|Paddles (story)}}

:''Paddles is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Paddleshead.jpg|thumb|right|250px|No, I am not [[Magmatron]]'s ass.]]

'''Paddles''' is a simple, gentle giant. Less hostile than his fellow [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], Paddles is willing to befriend both Autobots and [[human]]s. However, when stirred to action, Paddles will fight valiantly and furiously to defend others. He's awkward on land, but glides through the oceans with ease in his elasmosaur mode.

==Fiction==
===Transformers Legends Anthology===
''"Paddles" by [[Jean Rabe]]''

Paddles was among the Autobots stationed on [[Earth]], where he befriended [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]. He was given his name by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] on [[Dinobot Island]], where he first demonstrated his aquatic prowess. He later defended the island from a [[Decepticon]] attack, where he was seriously damaged by [[Raze]], who was then blasted by [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]. Both Paddles and Raze sunk into the sand, where they lay long after the battle ended. Paddles' mind was still active and undamaged, and he tried counting the time since his entombment, but lost count after twenty-seven years.

Eventually, Paddles was excavated by [[Randall]] and [[Ed]], a pair of paleontology students who initially mistook him for a real fossilised creature. Paddles was overjoyed to hear their voices, as they were the first he had heard in decades. As he finally laid eyes on them, his happiness was shattered by Raze, who had been similarly unearthed. The Decepticon attacked his unwitting liberators, knocking Randall and Ed into a crevice. Marshalling the last remnants of his energy supply, Paddles attacked the Decepticon with his flame breath, driving him to tear up the ground with his piledrivers. Paddles and Raze plunged into a chasm, trapping them anew. Raze was killed, but Paddles remained awake. Once more, he tried to count the years, but stopped after thirty-nine. Some time after that, Paddles heard a man digging above him...
==Trivia==
* Paddles frequently has happy thoughts about Snarl and Grimlock, wanting to see or speak to them again... but never [[Slag (G1)|Slag]]. ''Heh''.

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Humanization

2008-05-24T23:31:50Z

Sntint: Removed what was apparently discussion in the midst of the article, and corrected "Deathzarus", which is just weird.

Throughout the various Transformers canon, there have been several instances of Transformers with humanistic traits and having very human actions that possibly conflict with their status as mechanical robots. Many of these instances can be dismissed as stylistic choices by the artists or as gags not to be taken seriously.

==Glandular, digestive, and respiratory==
===Sweating===

* In [[DIS-Integrated Circuits|issue nine]] of the original [[Generation 1 (Marvel comic)|''Generation 1'' comic]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is seen leaking lubricant from his head during a stressful confrontation with [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (as Shockwave points out), in a manner resembling sweating.

* Numerous times in the Marvel UK comic, [[Kup]] can be seen "sweating."

* ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' and ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' featured Transformers displaying the traditional anime "sweatdrop," a giant bead of liquid appearing at the side of the head to convey embarrassment or exasperation.

===Coughing===
* In the G1 episode [[Roll For It]], when the Autobots emerge from the ruins of a demolished [[antimatter]] laboratory, they are coughing.

* In Beast Wars, Megatron begins to cough for no reason while making a triumphant speech. Much like Powerglide's "heart", this could be a one-shot joke.

*In the episode [[Mortal Combat]] in Transformers Armada, right after Optimus Prime says "I wish I could accommodate you", he coughs silently.

===Breathing===
* When being constricted by a python, Cheetor says he can't breathe. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}}
* In an Energon episode, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] instructs [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] that they have to synchronize their breathing before they can [[Powerlinx|powerlink]].
* At the climax of ''[[Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] tries to strangle [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], complete with sounds of Hot Rod gagging and struggling to breathe.
* Animated Bumblebee was shown to be breathing heavily after trying to chase down blurr {{storylink|Velocity}}

===Spitting===

* Throughout his term on the Marvel UK comic letters page, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] would regularly say "(Puttup)" after mentioning the Autobots or an Autobot's name to represent him spitting in disgust. This habit made an in-story appearance, with him spitting at [[Robot-Master]] despite his [[Mouthplate|mouthplate]].
* In issue 72 of the Marvel US comics, after [[Nightbeat]] escapes from the Decepticons's New Jersey base via a sewer, he spits as he complains about their poor choice of backdoor.
* In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[Tangled Web]]", [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] "spat" after reissuing his challenge to tangle with [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]], despite the fact that, like Soundwave, he has no apparent mouth.

===Crying===
* [[Image:Omega Supreme tears up.jpg|thumb|right|Tissue: desired.]]A twinkle of light that may not literally be a tear, but is clearly intended to imply one, can be seen in [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s eye at the end of "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]".

* When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] dies in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is seen to dab at her eyes.

* In [[The Burden Hardest to Bear]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] had tears falling from his eyes, presumably in pain, during his monstrous disfigurement after he gains the power of the [[Matrix]].

* As he mourns his dead friend [[Snowstalker]] and decides he can never fight again, [[Tigatron]] cries a single tear in beast mode.

* When pondering [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]]'s fate in ''[[Beast Machines]]'', [[Blackarachnia]] is shown to shed a single tear from one of her spider eyes.

* Throughout ''[[Beast Wars II (television series)|Beast Wars II]]'' and ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'', and occasionally in the ''[[Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' cartoon, several characters are seen crying in hyperbolic anime fashion.

*Tears can be seen welling up in [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]]'s eyes and falling to the ground in ''[[Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' as he mourns a fallen comrade.

*In [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers: Animated]], [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] cries, though this "ability" could be part of her partially organic nature. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

===Eating===
*There are references to [[Cybertronian food]].
*In [[Beast Wars]], the Maximals and Predacons are shown to eat:
**[[Tarantulas]] even displays something of a voracious appetite, eating rats and leaving webs to catch prey. At one point he captures Cheetor and prepares to drain his fluids, claiming that it is the act he prefers over the nourishment (which adds just another level of creepy to the already creepy Tarantulas) {{storylink|The Web}}
**[[Rattrap]] eats apples. {{storylink|The Web}}
**[[Terrorsaur]] eats a bird. {{storylink|Power Surge}}
**[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] ate a clone of his. [[Optimus Primal]] remarked that he was "disgusting". {{storylink|Double Dinobot}}
**While suffering from an [[Energon]] discharge virus, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] eats wild beans to build up his power. This later ends disasterously for [[Megatron (BW)|Megs]]. {{storylink|The Low Road}}
*In [[Beast Machines]], [[Nightscream]] is shown eating what appears to be metallic apples. Boy's got some strong teeth. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}
*Also in Beast Machines, [[Optimus Primal]] wants to eat the underground tree's fruit; [[Cheetor]] protests that "we don't eat food, we process [[energon]]--PERIOD!", but is overruled. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}}

===Flatulence===

* In the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' episode "[[The Low Road]]", Rhinox lets out an extreme amount of flatulence after consuming wild bean vines. This could be due to Maximals having organic parts in their makeup.
* Also in Beast Wars, In the episode "[[Bad Spark]]", [[Cheetor]] also lets out flatulence, blaming it on a large buildup of energy from his [[Transmetal]] body.

===Urination===
* [[Tasmania Kid]] urinated (in beast mode) to put out a fire.
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] performed a similar action on [[Agent Simmons]], by popping off his automobile oil filter in robot mode. Optimus Prime claims that he was just "lubricating" him. Presumably, this action was inspired from witnessing a [[Mojo|similar incident]].

===Intoxication===

* In the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]] episode "[[Microbots]]", the [[Decepticons]] are noticeably behaving in an intoxicated fashion after consuming high-grade [[energon]]. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] referred to this as "over-energizing".

* In ''Beast Wars II'', [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] gets "drunk" on numerous occasions.

* In the UK comic, the [[Wreckers]] frequent a "bar" on Cybertron called [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]], where they consume high-grade energon, presumably for the purposes of getting intoxicated. [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing]] paid a visit to this establishment in a later story, and got so hammered that they didn't even notice [[Quickswitch]] fighting with some [[Mecannibals]].

*Throughout [[Rise of the Constructicons]], [[oil]] = [[Wikipedia:Beer|beer]]. However, no one appear to actually get "drunk".

===Miscellaneous===
[[Image:AutoBerserk OptimusPrime closedeyes.jpg|thumb|right|125px|Oh, my [[sensors#Optics|eyes]]!!]]
* In the episode [[Auto Berserk]], Optimus Prime's eyes are closed (apparently to shield them against the smoke) much like a human's when Autobots stagger out of the fire and smoke of the Negavator's destruction.

* [[Deathsaurus]] once got a cold causing him to cough and have a fever in an episode from [[Victory (manga)|Victory manga]].
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==Body parts==
===Teeth/tongues/eyeballs===

[[Image:MegatronTongue1.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A little too friendly, there, Megatron...]]

* The [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1]] cartoon series is the only major piece of fiction to ''not'' present Transformers as possessing [[teeth]] and/or [[tongue]]s. The features appear in both the [[Marvel]] and [[Dreamwave]] comics, the ''[[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' and ''[[Beast Machines (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' animated series (where teeth would even be knocked out on occasion), the ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' cartoon, and the [[Unicron Trilogy]] cartoons and comics.

* One of the most prevalent examples of this tradition is the ''[[Kiss Players]]'' manga, in which a [[Legion]] character is equipped with a distinctive prehensile (and phallic) tongue.

===Facial hair===
{{main|Facial hair}}

===Questionable body parts===

[[Image:Powerglide heart.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Not Astroboy, we swear!]]
[[Image:PredaBrain1.jpg|right|100px|thumb|Predaking: All brawn AND brains! ]]
* Nearly all Transformers seem to possess noses for no discernable functional reason.

* In the G1 episode "[[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide]]", [[Powerglide]] is seen at the end of the episode having the LED outline of a cartoon heart within his chasis. This is somewhat nonsensical within in the context of the show (the contents of Transformers chest cavitites had been shown several times before), and is probably merely meant as a one-off sight gag.

* [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], [[Unicron]], and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] all sport "facial hair" in the G1 cartoon.

* [[Predaking]] (possibly brought back from the dead) has an organic brain when he is sliced in half in ''[[Zone]]''.

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==Other biological functions==
===Sleep===
* In the G1 comic, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] falls asleep and dreams (or rather, has a nightmare). This goes against established canon for that continuity that Transformers deactivate fully rather than "sleep," a point Ratchet himself makes.

* In the ''[[Generation 2]]'' [[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]], Kup attempts to rouse a vision-struck Optimus Prime by urging him to "wake up" -- then reminds himself that "we don't sleep!"

* In ''[[Beast Wars]]'', it has been firmly established that (perhaps partially due to their organic components), all Transformers within the cartoon sleep. Some prime examples of this are:
** Megatron has been shown to sleep in the command chair of the ''Darksyde'', while his dino head mounted on the end of his arm stays awake, looks around, and smiles slyly. Wonder what it thinks about...
** Cheetor has been shown asleep at many points, complete with (occasionally prophetic) dreams. In [[Feral Scream Part 2]], he also purrs when he's asleep. How cute!
** In "[[Call of the Wild]]", the Maximals are kept awake for two days by the Predacons' non-stop attacks on their base, which exacerbate their beast instincts overriding their logic circuits.

* ''[[Beast Wars II]]'' [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] often nods off in a narcoleptic-like fashion.

* ''Armada'' [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] is quite fond of catching forty winks when possible. [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] did the same on one occasion. Armada Megatron was also seen asleep twice in the episode "Rebellion".

*''Animated'' [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] enters a form of sleep he calls a "stasis nap", during which he gets several parking tickets. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

===Sexuality===
One of the most controversial aspects of Transformers is the idea of sexuality. While it is established in most continuities that Transformers do not reproduce sexually, most continuities nonetheless have distinctive male and [[female Transformers|female characters]] (with the notable exception of the G1 comic, which explicitly states there is no sexual distinction).

[[Image:Sideburnhearts.jpg|thumb|right|Sorry Sideburn, I don't think Wedge rolls that way.]]

The G1 cartoon brought the first official female Autobots into the canon, including [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]. The characters are noticeably more feminine in design and have clearly defined romantic relationships with male Autobots.

The issue becomes more complicated in ''Beast Wars'', where the sexuality line is clearly defined ([[Blackarachnia]] has a particularly well defined female figure, including what appears to be an ample bosom). It is hinted on occasion that the robots may engage in activities resembling human sex acts. Rattrap slyly makes a double entendre to [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] regarding his suspected kinky activities with Predacon Blackarachnia, and later makes a comment about going to what sounds like a Cybertonian version of a strip club. In the Metals dub, Rattrap, thinking himself about to be stabbed by Dinobot, asked him to "be gentle, because I've heard the first time can hurt."

In the original Japanese version of ''Energon'', [[Tidal Wave|Mirage]] displays romantic interest in [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]], causing his comrades to regard him with minor confusion. The ''Energon'' dub seemed to do its best to skirt around this issue, with Mirage's exclamations either being about different things entirely or simple cheering on of his leader - but they couldn't do anything about the hands-clapsed-beside-his-head-while-doe-eyed expressions, or the one time that he pirouetted, struck a pose while surrounded by a giant glowing pink heart. ''Why'', Japan?

==See also==
*[[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]
*[[Robot-fleshling romance]]
*[[Reproduction]]

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Rise of the Constructicons

2008-05-24T22:57:08Z

Sntint: /* Miscellaneous trivia */ Prowl has throwing stars. Jazz has nunchaku, and isn't in this episode.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Titlecap.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Come my minions, rise for your [[Megatron (Animated)|Master]]! Let your evil shine!]]

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'''Bulkhead befriends a pair of construction vehicles brought to life by AllSpark energy. But the Decepticons have their scanners set on the duo for their latest construction project. '''

==Summary==
The Autobots once again must aid in the restoration of the increasingly disaster-prone city of [[Detroit]]. There is an odd amount of balking, considering they're a [[space bridge]] repair crew, but Optimus Prime reminds them that a fair amount of the destruction is indeed their fault. These musings are cut short by Bumblebee spotting the ''other'' party to Detroit's deterioration, the Decepticons. Blitzwing and Lugnut are scurrying by in a most undignified manner, carrying construction supplies for Megatron. A combined effort by Bumblebee and Ratchet manages to knock the two Decepticons skidplate-over-processing unit, but they still manage to flee with a much smaller portion of the supplies. The Autobots are prevented from giving chase by the cracking of a bridge support, which they then repair. At the end of the day, the Autobots are ready to head home. Bulkhead tells Optimus Prime he'll catch up, to mask the fact that he's accidentally adhered his feet to the ground with cement.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Gen2HomageVehicleModes.jpg|thumb|175px|left|Whoa! Some fanboys is sleepin' easy tonight.]]
Meanwhile, across town, two construction vehicles are seen with [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] fragments embedded in them. The two fragments activate, and the machines gain sentience. After a brief debate over naming, they discover their new ability to turn into giant robots. This does not faze them in the slightest, and soon they chase off after a highly attractive sports car.

[[Image:Bulkhead Binoculars.jpg‎|thumb|175px|right|Now I can see the world in my finger]]
Thanks to the use of expired fixative, Bulkhead's attempts at mixing more cement prove explosive, knocking him out and nearly getting him skewered by iron girders. Thankfully, the newly minted Constructobots spot this and save his skidplate. They then help the lumbering Autobot to do the job ''right'' (making sure he doesn't leave the fixative lying around, either) and then take him off to a tanker for an oil break. Though Bulkhead is quite pleased with the oil he is served, he soon voices misgivings as to whether they ought to be doing this. Asked by the Constructobots whether he's going to act like a little yellow compact, he remembers his friends back at the base and invites his new acquaintances back to meet them.

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Sari no pigtails.jpg|thumb|left|175px|Relax, Sari, they'll have grown back by next week's episode.]]
At the base, the Autobots are not impressed with the crass pair. Loudly carousing to the point that even Ratchet thinks they're a bit rude, they soon wake up Sari. Wondering what all the commotion is, the poor girl gets her pigtails amputated by a game of smashed-oil-barrel frisbee. This is the last straw for Optimus Prime, who kicks the two paisanos out on their keisters.

The next day, Blitzwing and Lugnut are once again hauling heavy construction materials, this time Laurel and Hardy style up a steep hill. Blitzwing's footing slips, and he is nearly offlined by the heavy trailer that sends him careening towards a wall. Bracing for an impact that never comes, he is startled to find Mixmaster and Scrapper have saved him. Immediately, he asks them who and ''what'' they are. At first, the jovial pair answer that they are Autobots, but as this is met with some static, they quickly amend it to ''Constructobots''. Blitzwing sees an opportunity in the pair's brawn, and as police sirens approach, he convinces them to help haul the load. Lugnut objects, worried about Megatron's reaction. Blitzwing reassures, ''sotto voce'', that they will offline the two goombahs immediately after the work is done. Lugnut is all for this plan, and once the goods are delivered, he charges up his signature punch while Blitzwing distracts the pair. However, Megatron arrives and gives Lugnut an awful case of ''punchus interruptus''.

Megatron invites the Constructobots into the Decepticon inner sanctum, which they would find to be quite commodious if they knew the meaning of the word. Once there, they express how cute [[Isaac Sumdac|Megatron's pet]] is, and the interstellar warlord shows them the schematics he stole from the Autobots' ship for the building of a space bridge. His hunch turns out to be correct when he finds that the Constructobots display an intuitive knack for grasping construction projects, and they tell him that the supplies he's been gathering will be insufficient to the task. Megatron grins as they reveal to him that they know exactly what is needed and where to get it.

The following morning, Bulkhead goes looking for his wayward friends. He finds them, pursued by [[Sumdac Systems]] police robots after a daring heist of construction supplies. Stepping in and generally making a mess of the pursuers, he asks Mixmaster and Scrapper what they're up to. After being told that they stole these materials, he becomes irate because he thought they were so helpful before. They tell him they still are, they're just helping ''other'' bots. Becoming suspicious, Bulkhead presses them further and finds out they're working for Blitzwing and Lugnut. The large Autobot tries to convince them that the Decepticons are bad news, but is less than effective. The Constructobots think the Decepticons are just regular fellas and that Megatron is a laugh riot. Bulkhead grows still angrier, saying that Megatron is the worst of the bunch and was only tricking them. This finally clicks in their heads, and they drop what they're doing{{m-}}on Bulkhead{{m-}}and tear off down the road to take up their grievances with Megatron. Covered in girders, Bulkhead is unable to pursue.

[[Image:Rise Constructicons Megatron what.jpg|thumb|right|175px|I'm not a heartless mass murderer. I give all my victims their choice of execution method.]]
Upon discovering the Constructobots pounding on the steel door of the mine, Megatron is a bit less genial in tolerating their antics. Picking them up by their collars, he slams them against the mountainside and demands to know what they're doing. They explain that they want a piece of him because Bulkhead told them that Decepticons are the scum of the universe and that he'd tricked them. Megatron softens his demeanor and tells a tragic tale of Autobot oppression and the Decepticons being driven from their homeworld by these cruel tyrants. The Constructobots only understand about every third word of what he says, so he submits it would be a little easier to understand over a barrel of oil. Once inside, Mixmaster and Scrapper are quite impressed by the potency of the oil they're offered, which Megatron reveals to be his "special blend". Suitably placated, they listen to his pitch in which he stresses that as Constructobots, they can spend their lives fixing highway bridges, but as Constructi''cons'', they can build ''space bridges'' and be the heroes of millions of Cybertronians.

[[Image:RiseoftheConstructicons-Megatron%27sprivateblend.jpg|thumb|left|200px| So tell me, fellas, Orlando Bloom or Johnny Depp?]]

Back at the auto assembly plant, Bulkhead is relaying his latest encounter with the Constructobots to his fellow Autobots. This doesn't go over well, so he attempts to convince Optimus Prime that his friends were actually ''angry'' at the Decepticons and that there's nothing to worry about, as afterwards they can lead the Autobots to the Decepticon base. Ratchet, however, worries that they'll do the exact opposite. Right on cue, Scrapper and Mixmaster arrive. Bulkhead is initially hopeful, as they are still his friends. The two bots agree with him, but business is business, and Megatron has better oil. Thus they say that they won't fight anyone, so long as they can pick up the fragments of the AllSpark and be on their way. Optimus Prime objects, and the Constructicons announce that they're sick and tired of the little dipstick and knock him over. A fight ensues, in which the industrial chassis of the Constructicons prove fairly impervious to most of what the Autobots can dish out. Bumblebee is taken hostage and ransomed for the AllSpark fragments. Optimus attempts to stall, but Bulkhead hands them over. As all the Autobots look on in disbelief, he encourages his old friends to have "one for the road." They partake in the offered oil and depart.

The Autobots give chase, berating Bulkhead for trusting them. The large Autobot, however, states simply that the Constructicons aren't going ''anywhere''. His plan is revealed as Mixmaster and Scrapper start to slow down, emitting smoke and having increasing trouble running. Soon, there is an explosion, and the AllSpark fragments' container lands at Bulkhead's feet. He had tainted the oil with the expired chemicals from his earlier botched repair job. Bulkhead confronts his former friends, but the blast has scrambled their memory. Confused and frightened, they haul tail out of there. The not-so-gentle giant is disappointed, but Optimus reminds him that even if they've lost their memories, they still have a choice not to serve Megatron.

==Stats==

*'''Written by:''' [[Stan Berkowitz]]
*'''Directed by:''' [[Ben Jones]], [[Irineo Maramba]], & [[Shunji Oga]]
*'''Original airdate:''' May 17, 2008

===Featured characters===

(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"

! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] (3)
*[[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] (2)
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] (1)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] (7)
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] (11)
*[[Lugnut]] (6)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
*[[Sari Sumdac]] (10)
*[[Isaac Sumdac]] (12)

| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
*[[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] (8)
*[[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] (9)
|}

==Quotes==
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': I WILL POUND THEM INTO SHEET METAL! 
''[changes into Random Blitzwing and finds a plate of sheet metal] 
'''Random Blitwing''': Oooh! Oh, wait! We've already got some! 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Blitzwing.

''[Scrapper bangs his shovel into Mixmaster]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': Hey, watch where you're pointing that thing, shovel-head! 
'''Scrapper''': Who you calling "shovel-head", cement-breath?! 
'''Mixmaster''': My name ain't "cement-breath", okay? It's...it's...uh... 
'''Scrapper''': Your little name tag says "Mixmaster". 
'''Mixmaster''': Nah, that's too long. Just call me "Mix". 
'''Scrapper''': All right, you got it, Mix. And you can call me... 
''[Sees a sign that says "SCRAP"] 
'''Scrapper''': ...Scrap. 
'''Mixmaster''': All right, that's too short. How 'bout "Scrapper"? 
'''Scrapper''': I like it. 
:{{m-}}The Constructicons come to life and name themselves. They had an easier time than [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]].

"Where did Bulkhead find these two?" 
"I've got a feeling it wasn't charm school". 
:{{m-}}Colour '''Prowl''' and '''Ratchet''' unimpressed.

"Hey, those don't grow back overnight!"
:{{m-}}'''Sari''' gets her pigtails{{m-}}and nearly her head{{m-}}sliced off by Bulkhead with the oil-barrel frisbee in the factory. Bet they're back by the next episode...

''[Blitzwing and Lugnut are pushing heavy supplies up a hill]'' 
'''Icy Blitzwing''': Ever notice zat whenever zere's hard work, Megatron's not around? 
'''Lugnut''': Bite your speech synthesizer! Megatron will take us to new heights of glory! 
''[Blitzwing is nearly crushed under the supplies he is carrying when Mixmaster saves him]'' 
'''Mixmaster''': You okay, bro? 
'''Hothead Blitzwing''': DO I LOOK OKAY?! 
'''Random Blitzwing''': Or do these wing struts make me look fat? 
:{{m-}}Blitzwing focuses on the important stuff.

''[Lugnut charges his "power punch" and sneaks up behind the Constructicons] 
'''Megatron''': "Wait." 
''[Lugnut loses his balance and stumbles into the mine, causing his punch to backfire on him] 
'''Lugnut''': "I'm OK..." 
:{{m-}}Ah, good ol' Lugnut.

'''Mixmaster''': "You tricked us! You Decepticons are the scum o' the universe!" 
'''Megatron''': "...Whaaat? Who told you that?" 
'''Scrapper''': "Our friend Bulkhead." 
'''Megatron''': "And you believed him?" 
'''Mixmaster''': "Well, sure, he's our friend." 
'''Megatron''': "And did your friend tell you how his Autobot kind have oppressed us? Driven us from our rightful home? Oh, they may come across as complete imbeciles, but Autobots are cunning, ruthless, unforgiving." 
'''Mixmaster''': "Okay, like, this is too confusin' for me." 
'''Megatron''': "Then why don't I explain everything over a few barrels of oil?" 
'''Mixmaster''' and '''Scrapper''': ''[faces light up]'' "Oil?!"
:{{m-}}Seduction of the stupid.

"The Autobots' oil tastes like ''water'' next to this stuff!" 
"It's my private blend."
:{{m-}}'''Mixmaster''' discovers that '''Megatron'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s an oil connoisseur.

'''Bulkhead''': But...I thought we were friends. 
'''Mixmaster''': We are friends, Bulky, that's why we ain't gonna hurt you, okay? Long as you hand over whatever bits you got of the...th-...what did he call it again? 
'''Scrapper''': Uh, SparkAll? AllSpark, AllSpark. 
'''Optimus''': Over my offline body! 
'''Mixmaster''': Aghh{{m-}}you know what? I have had ''enough'' of this dipstick-in-the-mud! 
''[Mixmaster shoves Prime back]'' 
'''Bumblebee''': Hey! He's ''our'' dipstick! 
'''Ratchet''': And nobody pushes him around! 
:{{m-}}The Autobots defend the honor of their [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]...and fail miserably.

==Other notes==

===Animation errors===
[[Image:Bumblebeeanimatedconsigil.JPG|thumb| [[Goldbug (Shattered Glass)|Who's bad?]]]]
* When Ratchet tells Bumblebee to "vamoose" (around 1:30), Bumblebee has a red Decepticon insignia.
* When Bulkhead frees his foot from the cement, his jaw appears out of alignment, then realigns itself.
* When Bulkhead is jumping at the idea of Mix and Scrapper meeting the Autobots, Scrapper's left arm clips through his body, then the forearm briefly vanishes before his arm reappears in the correct place.
* While Blitzwing is shown pushing the heavy load of construction equipment from a side profile, the animation is missing a line that separates his inner thigh from his crotch.
* As Megatron explains the Autobots' "cunning" to Mixmaster and Scrapper, the white outline around his insignia is not complete (either that or it's part of a shadow).
* After the Constructicons flee, the road Bulkhead smashed up is in perfect condition.

===Transformers references===

*Megatron corrupting the Constructicons may also be a nod to the Generation 1 series, in which he did the same thing in "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]". Except, instead of using the [[Robo-Smasher]], this time he gets them [[Microbots|robo-smashed]]...

* The two surveyors on top of the bridge are decked out in blue jeans, white shirts, tan jackets and yellow hard hats and boots, just like a disproportionate amount of humans from the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]].

* A construction crane which appears in a few scenes early in the episode is colored in the traditional Constructicon green-and-purple. Purple and green excavation vehicles were previously seen in "[[Nature Calls]]", and yet the ''Animated'' Constructicons themselves are yellow and grey, which ''might'' be an homage to the ''Generation 2'' Constructicon toys.

*Scrapper and Mixmaster hit on a little red sports car. [[Side Burn (RID)|Sound familiar?]]

===Real-world references===
* The Constructicons often hit on cars (which could be the equivalent for them to female 'bots...[[Tracks|or something]]), just like real cartoon construction workers with passing women.
* The Constructicons beep as they back up.
* The whole plot seems to be pretty thoroughly cribbed from every after-school special on the dangers of peer pressure ever...except with giant robots, attempted murder, extortion, and a plot to overthrow one interstellar empire and reestablish another.
* While the "working-class" Constructicons drink their oil out of "[[Wikipedia:Pint glass|pint glasses]]" or straight out of the can/barrel, the "upper-class" Megatron prefers to twist his barrels into "[[Wikipedia:Goblet|goblets]]".

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* It was revealed at [[BotCon 2008]] that much of Scrapper and Mixmaster's dialogue was actually ad-libbed by their actors [[Tom Kenny]] and [[Jeff Glen Bennett]].
* This episode first aired in Dubai, around two weeks before its English-language broadcast premiere in Canada.
* It seems that in the Animated-verse, yellow eyes represent the neutral position. Good to know there is a Switzerland equivalent on Cybertron.
* The Constructicons first start off as Constructobots, a portmanteau of construction and Autobot, but later Megatron gives them a new name, formed from construction and Decepticon instead.
* Even assuming the Constructicons don't drink anything off-screen, they still consume what looks like half their weight in oil over the course of the episode. Where does it go?
* On second thought, [[Humanizing#Urination|don't think about it]].
* Bumblebee receives a [[stock footage|detailed transformation sequence]] for his stingers...which becomes extremely anticlimactic when his attacks just bounce off Lugnut seconds later. Likewise, Prowl commences his attack against Scrapper with a sequence showing him deploying his throwing stars, but he has better success hand-to-hand, after the stars richochet harmlessly.

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User talk:St.Hound

2008-05-17T16:27:58Z

Sntint: /* Characters */ Argh spoilers.

== Transformers Animated (cartoon) cast list ==

The cast list in the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)]] article is ''only'' for characters who have ''already'' appeared, ''not'' for characters who we believe might appear. Please respect this. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

ok ok, I understand. [[User:St.Hound|St.Hound]] 16:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC) [[User:St.Hound]]

== Characters ==

''-deleted spoilers-''

Please do not mention details, such as this, concerning mostly-unaired episodes without requisite warnings. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, please use the preview button. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:St.Hound

2008-05-17T16:26:13Z

Sntint: /* Characters */ Argh spoilers.

== Transformers Animated (cartoon) cast list ==

The cast list in the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)]] article is ''only'' for characters who have ''already'' appeared, ''not'' for characters who we believe might appear. Please respect this. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:40, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

ok ok, I understand. [[User:St.Hound|St.Hound]] 16:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC) [[User:St.Hound]]

== Characters ==

''-deleted spoilers-''

Please do not mention details, such as this, concerning mostly-unaired episodes without requisite warnings. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:26, 17 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Acid Storm (G1)

2008-05-17T08:36:18Z

Sntint: /* Universe (2008) */

:''Acid Storm is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:G1AcidStorm.jpg|thumb|250px|"What is this 'camouflage' of which you speak?"]]

Despite his intelligence, data gathering skills, and potential charisma, '''Acid Storm''' prefers to wallow in anonymity as just one of the [[Rainmaker]]s, a cadre of specialized [[Seeker]]s who have the capability to manipulate localized weather patterns to create [[acid rain]]. He is a part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===

When a group of [[Autobot]]s (and [[Chip Chase]]) journeyed to Cybertron to fetch a [[cosmotron]] for a wounded [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron sent the [[Rainmaker]] trio, including Acid Storm, to make things difficult for our heroes with some [[acid rain]].

Guess what? They lost. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}}

==Toys==

===Universe (2008)===
* '''Acid Storm''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right missile launchers, 2 missiles

: Acid Storm is a redeco of the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Starscream_%28G1%29_toys#Classics|Starscream]] mold, transforming into an [[wikipedia:F-15 Eagle|F-15 Eagle]] fighter jet, though with a canopy like that of an [[wikipedia:F-14 Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]]. He comes with a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers that can be mounted on his biceps or used as hand-held weapons in robot mode, and are attached under his wings in vehicle mode.

: This toy was also used to make ''Classics'' [[Skywarp (G1)#Classics|Skywarp]] and ''[[Timelines]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)#Timelines|Thundercracker]], and [[retool]]ed to make ''Classics'' [[Ramjet (G1)#Classics_2|Ramjet]], and ''Timelines'' [[Dirge (G1)#Timelines|Dirge]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Timelines|Thrust]].

{{comingsoontoy}}

==Trivia==
*According to [[Hasbro]]'s [[BotCon 2008]] panel, Acid Storm was originally to be named "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain", but those names didn't clear Legal.
*Acid Storm's ''Universe'' deco was designed by [[Aaron Archer]], a relative rarity for the time given Archer's high hierarchical status within Hasbro.
*Although explicitly based on the green Rainmaker from "Divide and Conquer", Acid Storm's near-fluorescent green in the cartoon was specifically toned down to fit better into the quasi-realism of the 2008 ''Universe'' toyline.
*Acid Storm's "hyperion3 cannon" is based on one of [[User:Monzo]]'s e-mail addresses, much as Acid Storm's bio itself is based in part on Monzo.

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Talk:Acid Storm (G1)

2008-05-17T08:35:33Z

Sntint: /* Released? */

Interesting reference for a Seeker redeco.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:And the deco furthers the reference because one of the Rainmakers was about that shade of green. It's a more ''elaborate'' color scheme, because the Rainmakers were boring as hell (go lazy animators!).--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::So it's the Green Rainmaker that's supposed to be Acid Storm? Crap. That means my friend Lady Tecuma and I are going to have to change the name of one of our Rainmakers in our fan fiction. We named the green one "Stormbringer" in honour of the comic series, which if you ask me is a hell of a lot more creative than "Acid Storm". Anyway, you can read about them here [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4097552/7/System_of_a_Down], if you like.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 17:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We've yet to see a packaging bio, so it can't be certain ''who'' he's supposed to be. The coincidences are pretty big, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::::If we've yet to see a packaging bio, how do we even know he's a he? Maybe Hasbro has released the first canon female Seeker? That would be awesome! --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 18:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

==Camo jets==
To help settle the question of whether Acid Storm's camo is a reference to anything, I've found pics of the <strike>three</strike> four camo-jet TFs I know about:

[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/other/g2ramjet/g2rjet1.jpg Unproduced G2 Ramjet]

[http://www.seibertron.com/images/news/gfx/1188406662_303.jpg Unproduced G2 somebody]

[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Decepticon/Thundercracker/vehiclemode.jpg MW Thundercracker]

'''Edit:''' [http://seibertron.com/images/toys/files/33/wingstun013.jpg Wing Stun]

And here's [http://seibertron.com/images/events/99/universe050.jpg Acid Storm.]

If I had to say who's ''closest''... I'd go with probably <strike>MW Thundercracker</strike> Wing Stun. But that's still <strike>quite the</strike> a bit of a stretch. Certainly for the purposes of the article, I don't think we should identify the deco as a reference to any one of them.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 03:53, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
:You forgot [[Wing Stun]]. But I agree, it looks like a brand new scheme not inspired by any previous jet. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
::Noted, thanks. And I'm starting to rethink the idea that we shouldn't mention past camo-jets; it might be a good idea to bring up ALL the predecessors just to disabuse anyone of the notion that there is a specific homage involved. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:39, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

== Fiction ==

Should this be treated the same way Sunstorm was? It's my understanding that he's fully intended to be the green rainmaker, so that episode detail should go on this page, yes? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] 03:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
: Yep.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:14, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Released? ==

Snint's latest edit claims Acid Storm is out already. Do you have a source to confirm this? I just checked Allspark, TFW2005, Seibertron and TFormers and came up empty-handed. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

:No, sir, I do not. That was an edit made in error, when I trusted my faulty memory when I should have checked the facts. Thank you for correcting me! I will restore the tag. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Acid Storm (G1)

2008-05-17T07:50:23Z

Sntint: /* Universe (2008) */ He's out now. And stuff.

:''Acid Storm is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:G1AcidStorm.jpg|thumb|250px|"What is this 'camouflage' of which you speak?"]]

Despite his intelligence, data gathering skills, and potential charisma, '''Acid Storm''' prefers to wallow in anonymity as just one of the [[Rainmaker]]s, a cadre of specialized [[Seeker]]s who have the capability to manipulate localized weather patterns to create [[acid rain]]. He is a part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===

When a group of [[Autobot]]s (and [[Chip Chase]]) journeyed to Cybertron to fetch a [[cosmotron]] for a wounded [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron sent the [[Rainmaker]] trio, including Acid Storm, to make things difficult for our heroes with some [[acid rain]].

Guess what? They lost. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}}

==Toys==

===Universe (2008)===
* '''Acid Storm''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right missile launchers, 2 missiles

: Acid Storm is a redeco of the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Starscream_%28G1%29_toys#Classics|Starscream]] mold, transforming into an [[wikipedia:F-15 Eagle|F-15 Eagle]] fighter jet, though with a canopy like that of an [[wikipedia:F-14 Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]]. He comes with a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers that can be mounted on his biceps or used as hand-held weapons in robot mode, and are attached under his wings in vehicle mode.

: This toy was also used to make ''Classics'' [[Skywarp (G1)#Classics|Skywarp]] and ''[[Timelines]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)#Timelines|Thundercracker]], and [[retool]]ed to make ''Classics'' [[Ramjet (G1)#Classics_2|Ramjet]], and ''Timelines'' [[Dirge (G1)#Timelines|Dirge]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Timelines|Thrust]].

==Trivia==
*According to [[Hasbro]]'s [[BotCon 2008]] panel, Acid Storm was originally to be named "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain", but those names didn't clear Legal.
*Acid Storm's ''Universe'' deco was designed by [[Aaron Archer]], a relative rarity for the time given Archer's high hierarchical status within Hasbro.
*Although explicitly based on the green Rainmaker from "Divide and Conquer", Acid Storm's near-fluorescent green in the cartoon was specifically toned down to fit better into the quasi-realism of the 2008 ''Universe'' toyline.
*Acid Storm's "hyperion3 cannon" is based on one of [[User:Monzo]]'s e-mail addresses, much as Acid Storm's bio itself is based in part on Monzo.

{{charstub}}

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Acid Storm (G1)

2008-05-17T07:45:30Z

Sntint: /* Universe (2008) */ He's out now.

:''Acid Storm is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:G1AcidStorm.jpg|thumb|250px|"What is this 'camouflage' of which you speak?"]]

Despite his intelligence, data gathering skills, and potential charisma, '''Acid Storm''' prefers to wallow in anonymity as just one of the [[Rainmaker]]s, a cadre of specialized [[Seeker]]s who have the capability to manipulate localized weather patterns to create [[acid rain]]. He is a part of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s forces on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon===

When a group of [[Autobot]]s (and [[Chip Chase]]) journeyed to Cybertron to fetch a [[cosmotron]] for a wounded [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], Megatron sent the [[Rainmaker]] trio, including Acid Storm, to make things difficult for our heroes with some [[acid rain]].

Guess what? They lost. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}}

==Toys==

===Universe (2008)===
* '''Acid Storm''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right missile launchers, 2 missiles

: Acid Storm is a redeco of the ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Starscream_%28G1%29_toys#Classics|Starscream]] mold, transforming into an [[wikipedia:F-15 Eagle|F-15 Eagle]] fighter jet, though with a canopy like that of an [[wikipedia:F-14 Tomcat|F-14 Tomcat]]. He comes with a pair of spring-loaded missile launchers that can be mounted on his biceps or used as hand-held weapons in robot mode, and are attached under his wings in vehicle mode.

: This toy was also used to make ''Classics'' [[Skywarp (G1)#Classics|Skywarp]] and ''[[Timelines]]'' [[Thundercracker (G1)#Timelines|Thundercracker]], and [[retool]]ed to make ''Classics'' [[Ramjet (G1)#Classics_2|Ramjet]], and ''Timelines'' [[Dirge (G1)#Timelines|Dirge]] and [[Thrust (G1)#Timelines|Thrust]].

==Trivia==
*According to [[Hasbro]]'s [[BotCon 2008]] panel, Acid Storm was originally to be named "Rainmaker", then "Acid Rain", but those names didn't clear Legal.
*Acid Storm's ''Universe'' deco was designed by [[Aaron Archer]], a relative rarity for the time given Archer's high hierarchical status within Hasbro.
*Although explicitly based on the green Rainmaker from "Divide and Conquer", Acid Storm's near-fluorescent green in the cartoon was specifically toned down to fit better into the quasi-realism of the 2008 ''Universe'' toyline.

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Talk:Dinobot (BW)

2008-05-09T17:27:13Z

Sntint: /* About Animated... */

So, do we call the clone a seperate character? But for Rampage's death, he would have... remaiend so, but it becoems complicated with DB posessing his own clone, and the two never really... existed side-by-side enough to require seperate pages... And yet- by Wiki standards we seem to consider clones seperate dudes. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:01, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

TM2 Dinobot ''is'' a separate character. I don't think it's complicated at all, regardless of his totally unexplained personality change in the finale. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:16, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

<nowiki>*lick*</nowiki> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

For Dinobot's TM2 entry, notarize that it's a Predacon clone created by Megatron, and decidedly not the original. In it's story background, simply say that 'Originally, an episode was planned which showed Rattrap uploading the original Dinobot's memories into the clone. This episode was not made, however, leaving a serious plot hole for the final season of Beast Wars, and the handling of the Dinobot TM2 character.' --[[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

:<nowiki>*scratches head*</nowiki> Soo... if you make a new body for Dinobot and load his memories into it off a data backup, it's a new character. But if you make a new body for '''Optimus Prime'''... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

:: Point being is that we never actually SEE Dinobot II's memory implant (aside from a very well done fan-comic), so he's still a completely seperate being (a literal twin brother), as far as the cartoon's involved. --[[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]]

:: No one ever "made a new body ''for'' Dinobot," Megatron created a clone of the original that would be loyal to him, and gave it life with half of someone else's spark. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:08, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
::: What he said. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Oh! Liek prowl and Chip! Why didn't you jsut say so? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:04, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

How would the *other* Dinobot clone fit in? You know, the one that he ate?

I would give "Double Dinobot" a new page.
P.S. What about a line or two about the Cyber-Raptors?[[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 00:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, Dinobot's nontransforming clone was officially named 'Clone One.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
===Character entries===
They should be written "in universe," without breaking the fourth wall. Meaning no "But Jhiaxus how do you live, I thought you died in G2 #11." Never reference the name of an episode out-right. However, you can put the little footnote links to episode pages instead, as I have demonstrated. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::Ah. I see, I'll make sure to do that in the future. [[User:Tantrum|Tantrum]] 17:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but am I the only one who thinkks ldans died to an hero sounds awful

No. That's the ''joke''. --[[User: EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 13:29, 24 January 2007

Yes, but it doesn't suit the feel of the article

== Attention, Kitbashers! ==

I've noticed through several kitbash websites that A lot of people like to kitbash Dinobot's head, making it much more show accurate. Is there anyone who is willing to do this for a commission? If so, contact me via my discussion page. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 04:01, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== Protection (Main Caption) ==

We should probably get this article protected so people will stop changing the main caption. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 12:47, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:Needs moar Worf captions. Dinobot is Worf.

I personally think the main caption is a needlessly obscure reference to a totally obscure fanfic, and should be replaced by something, y'know, ''funny,'' instead of being treated as sacred. Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Anyone? [[User:JW|JW]] 13:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:But that fanfic ''is'' funny. The entire thing is comedy gold! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'll stipulate that, but the question is whether the joke makes sense to a sufficient number of the readers of this wiki. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Not all jokes around here are by consensus. There's a ton of 'em that I don't get at all, but I assume ''someone'' does. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:27, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
::::On the one hand, a wiki is nothing ''but'' consensus.
::::More to the point, the quote in question may be contentious enough to warrant its replacement. I.e., it may be dragging the article down. However, I'll grant that, unless there's a lot of support for changing it, and someone suggests a brilliant candidate, it should probably stand. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:34, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:But the problem is that anyone hardly knows it, even the fans. I saw it after i was wondering why the caption was a link...unless i'm missing something here.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 17:24, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
:The quote is from a very well-known bad fanfic, and there is a link to that fanfic right there with the quote. We don't generally pick our captions on the basis of what is understandable by the most people, but even if we did, the fact that there is a link ''right there'' means it has more explanation than a great many of our jokes. It may be a relatively obscure fanfic now, but nearly anybody who used to read alt.toys.transformers will know of it, and that's not exactly a small group. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:22, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
::I submit that the percentage of current readers of this wiki who were readers of a.t.tf back in the day is probably smaller than you imagine. Still, I'll let the matter rest, since some of the bastions of this wiki clearly love the silly thing. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:30, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

== Mc Dinobot now a new character, kinda ==

The IDW profile book actually gave MC Dinobot a story, wich is neat, but where does that info go? He was apparently a second failed attempt (between [[Double Dinobot]] and [[Dinobot II]]) by Megs to clone Dinobot. IDW puts him as a subsection of Dinobot II. We give D2 and Double Dino each their own pages, so do we now give him one too? Thoughts?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 18:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

: on a totaly unrelated note, megatron sure likes to clone the guy, does he?--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 17:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

== About Animated... ==

You know, it's funny? We now have a BlackArachnia in the new Animated... I've been hearing rumors about Waspinator coming into this... I could actually come to enjoy Animated if Dinobot was also invited to the party. Of course, if that happened... *sighs* you'd have to also bring in Rattrap, I suppose. Part of what made Dinobot so remarkable, almost legendary in TF history aside from his sense of honor... is the verbally-adversarial friendship between Dinobot and Rattrap. It actually reminds me of Spock and McCoy from Star Trek. Next to G1 itself... Dinobot is the one and ONLY thing about Transformers, that I truly miss.

I actually think I know how they could both be introduced, come to think of it... just imagine, Rattrap is another maintenance bot... and a real thorn in Sentinel Prime's skidplate because Rattrap is a VERY successful hacker. As a backhanded way to make TWO of his problems suffer at once.... Rattrap gets 'reassigned', to work under Optimus Prime on Earth. Meanwhile, The Dinobots... although dumb as mud, no question... have really started to become more than an irritation to Megatron's plans somehow. So, Megatron decides to either find a recruit from one of his deep space troops, a warrior with honor and cunning to try and combat the Dinobots' blind, stupid successes... or he builds one himself. Just an idea....

P.S.: To the people at TF:Animated... FEEL FREE to steal this idea, so long as it works. That's why I call myself Anonymous. It would be payment enough, to have it work.

[[Special:Contributions/68.9.151.104|68.9.151.104]] 17:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)Anonymous

:I feel safe in assuming that a restriction against outside ideas would be written such that there is no loophole for anonymous suggestions. It would be "No suggestions period".
:Also, even as an anonymous user, you still are granted a user Talk page for correspondance. Please read yours. This sort of discussion that you've started is not what article Talk pages on the Wiki are for; they are for discussing improvements to the site. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 17:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Tara Strong

2008-05-02T07:04:07Z

Sntint: A little *too* Raph.

[[Image:Tara_Strong.jpg|thumb|right|200px|TARA STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!]]

'''Tara Strong''' (born '''Tara Lyn Charendoff''' on February 12, 1973) is a prolific Canadian-American voice actress appearing in a wide variety of animated television series, movies, and video games. Known for many roles, such as the second voice of Batgirl/Barbara Gordon in ''Batman: The Animated Series'', Raven from ''Teen Titans'', Ben and Upgrade from '' Ben 10'', Rikku from ''Final Fantasy X'' and ''Final Fantasy X-2'', and Bubbles from ''The Powerpuff Girls'' among others.

She is ''awesome''.

==Voice roles==
===''Transformers: Animated''===
* [[Sari Sumdac]]
* [[Teletran 1]]
* [[Gary]]
* [[Daniel (Animated)|Daniel]]
* [[Mayor's aide]]

==Convention appearances==
* [[BotCon 2008]]

==External links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0152839/ Tara Strong on the Internet Movie Database]
*[http://www.tarastrong.com/ Official website]
*[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/interviews-27/tfw2005-interviews-transformers-animated-voice-actor-tara-strong-164286/ Interview on TFW2005.com]

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2008-04-29T04:38:47Z

Sntint: /* Hate the new skin. */

==Archives==
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive1|Archive1]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive2|Archive2]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive3|Archive3]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive4|Archive4]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive5|Archive5]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive6|Archive6]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive7|Archive7]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive8|Archive8]]

== Continuity / Timeline ==
I'm trying to make some sense of how the various major continuities are handled, overview-wise. Some have their own continuity page; IDW's just got a timeline, with overview stuff shoved here and there among the individual miniseries. Some don't have anything. Some, like the G1 cartoon, are not much more than lists. The ones that exist tend to be hard to find, aren't categorized uniformly, etc... is there a master format for this stuff?{{unsigned|Repowers|12:15, 29 October 2007}}
:There is no master format for continuity pages. Please feel free to make one! It would be a good thing to have! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:55, show30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: You know, I think it would be hot if once we got more timelines up, we began putting Chronology links to the timetable on the story pages. Several Dreamwave comic pages have them, and I think IDW comics should too, since IDW really isn't telling the story in a linear fashion.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 09:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sounds like a good idea. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 13:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Would it make sense to have an overview writeup at the start of each timeline, a few paragraphs or so? Or should "continuity" be a separate page? Where should a chronological list of issues go -- publisher's page, continuity page, timeline page? That's not such a problem with, say, Marvel G1, but Dreamwave's a little messier, IDW's all over the place, and gods help you if you want to sort out the mess that is Marvel UK. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: A continuity page should have the following (in my opinion):
:: * A one-paragraph description of the continuity, not more than a few sentences long.
:: * A list of what media belongs to this continuity (which can include some stuff that's vaguely contradictory, but should exclude stuff that's way out there, like Earthforce relative to G1 comics). This can be sorted by publication order, or internal chronology, but if there's a major difference between the two, it should be spelled out.
:: * An overall description of the main events in that continuity, focusing on the events actually chronicled (not the distant past). In particular, for most continuities, changes in the leadership of either side, the changing status (living/dead, present/absent, duplicated by Straxus/encoded on a floppy, etc.)of the big two leaders (usually Optimus Prime and Megatron), any events involving Unicron or Primus, and introductions of major teams or groups of characters (Headmasters, Fuzors) should be in the summary.
:: * If necessary, a timeline, which may end up integrated with one of the above parts.
:: * Pointers to important and closely-related continuities (again, such as Earthforce), discussion of divergences, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::All that sounds pretty good, though I wouldn't get too hung up on following individual characters too much, even the leaders. In Marvel G1, at least, they changed over on a pretty regular basis.
:::On a related note... this and a lot of other overview-type pages are really lost in the shuffle. They should be top-level pages, with everything branching off of them and linking back to them, but instead they're buried and nothing links to them. You start off reading, say, the article on [[Spotlight: Soundwave]]. Where do you go from there to find out more? The IDW issues category? That's the only link out of that page. If you're a newcomer, or even someone with an imperfect memory, how do you know what comes next? Either the individual issue pages need to link to the timeline and continuity pages, or the category page does, or... something.
:::Taking care of it on the category page might be simplest, like what's on the Category:Marvel US issues page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yes, the site is sadly lacking in both "uplinks" and "sidelinks" for the media; links from a TV episode to the TV series, links from an issue of a comic to an overview of the comic, links from one comic to the next comic in that series, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: I'm still poking around and figuring out what's been done and what's needed; it might take a while to figure out how to start cleaning things up. It looks like we've got some random timelines started (still need ones for the Beast era and a few others), as well as continuity pages for some but not all of the major storylines, so I suppose each major continuity should have both kinds of pages. I wonder if there's a way to use a category or subcategory to get individual episode/issue pages to quickly link back to the main overview pages?... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: JW, we do have that comics nav template, though I like the comic infobox on wikipedia more. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Ah... http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Comicnav ...so we do. Very useful. Now we just gotta propagate it over a few hundred comic issue... :S -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Also, the nav setup only can link up one level. So Infiltration #2 can link up to the main Infiltration page, but not to the IDW continuity page above that. Would putting a variant of this template on the main page for each miniseries, linking up to the continuity page, work instead? Then you're never more than two clicks away from an individual issue to the continuity overview. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::: That, or somehow add it to the main comicnav template, perhaps in small letters above the series name. I don't wanna step on anyone's toes though. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::: That'd make the most sense, to add a "Continuity" level to the template, or alternately a lower-end "Mini-series" option. But hell if I can make sense out of how these things work... that might be a rainy day project, figuring that out. :\ -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

==Image Copyrights==
I asked awhile ago, and nobody seemed to know, so...

I've always been under the impression that images {{c}} someone else should be credited ''not'' just with a note that they belong to someone else, but a ''year'', for much the same reasons we identify ''who'' the image belongs to rather than simply saying 'we don't own it, but it's fair use.' The more info we provide, the more 'seriously' the copyright is being taken. if we wipe our ass with an unadorned, <nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> clearly we don't think the holder of the copyright is ''important''... or something.

I have a script I've been poking at. It can run through every image detail page on the wiki through a regular expression and pick out which images don't have copyright owners (Hasbro or Takara-- you're supposed to ID which even if you're using <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki>,) which don't have dates, and which don't have any sort of copyright notice at all. (A significant chunk of our images have no notices that they belong to someone else.) It could also drop the offending images into categories to be sorted out and properly labeled. (I imagine I'd give it Steve-o and let it do so logged in as the bot to avoid the update-floods.)

...is anyone interested in this? Does it seem like a good idea? Terrible idea? ...Bueler? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon Episode Format Mark II==
Picking up an old thread here... per some changes I just finished making to all the Beast Era episode pages, IMO:
* The one-line summary should be bold. It's the single most important thing on the page; your eye should leap right to it.
* It should be the very first thing on the page, above the nav box (barring temporary templates like "pics needed".)
* It should be free of links. They're distracting and ugly, and it's kinda absurd to think someone's going to click right off the summary to see what a "Maximal" or whatever is. Links can easily be integrated into the body of the plot summary.

I'd also rather see Quotes before Stats, to keep all the in-universe stuff together before moving to out-universe stuff like writers, air dates, commentary, order of appearance, etc. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with all of this, except for the one-line summary being above the nav box. Pure personal preference, though, rather than any sort of functionality - I just don't like the way it looks. In fact, I think putting it below the nav box actually ''helps'' its notice-ability - it "frames" the summary quite nicely between the nav box and the contents box. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::Heh, I see it the opposite way -- having the summary first provides a frame for the inevitable white space that accompanies the nav box. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

::Picking up on what I said above, putting the stats section down below not just the extended summary but now below the quotes section as well is something I strongly oppose. Episode writers do not get the recognition they deserve. We should not be burying their credits like that. That section belongs ''above'' the summary. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I do hear what you're saying, but honestly I'm less bothered by the recognition factor than by the inconsistency with comic format, where all that junk ''is'' up front (though it often looks pretty bad, IMO.) If it were ''just'' the writer credit, I'd be okay with having it up front (though I ain't gonna be the one who goes back through 78 Beast Era episode pages to change it!) But then you get into the odd condition of having that one bit of info up front, while the rest of the standard information external to the episode's events is much deeper in the article. Having much more stuff up front than that makes for a messy, unattractive, and harder-to-read format compared to having it all bundled in the Stats section... IMO, natch.
:::"If "recognition" is the concern, heck, think of the animators who slaved a lot more than the writers ever did to bring each episode to life. They get no credits at all. Neither does Robert Buckley, who provided music for both Beast series. The list goes on and on. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::::The information I am suggesting be up front would only be three lines (Written by, Directed by, air date), which I don't think would be very intrusive at all. To my mind, before the summary is the only logical place for this information to be presented, as episodes themselves generally present those two credits up front, and air date is a known factor when watching an episode when it debuts.
::::On the issue of recognition, you make a good point, however my concern is a bit different. Robert Buckley may not get a lot of recognition from the fandom for the music of Beast Wars, but it's not like they give someone ''else'' all the credit on that score, pun semi-intended. But the writers? The fandom often enough acts as if Forward and DiTillio wrote every single word of Beast Wars, and Skir (alone, of course, as the Isenberg Uncertainty Principle remains in full effect) the same for Beast Machines. The story editors are obviously the most important writers, but they didn't do it all on their own.
::::Burying the names of episode writers down below the summary and quotes sections just doesn't sit right with me, is all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Hrm... combined with Steve-o's consistency argument, I suppose I could go along with doing it this way, with them all tucked together and separate from/below the one line summary. Written By and Air Date are in one little combined pair of lines now, an easy cut-n-paste to move up front. I don't think anyone's added Director credits to any of the episodes, by the by.
:::::As I said, I'm in no great hurry to do it myself -- my main concern was that the Beast Era show pages had drifted into all sorts of different arrangements, some of which looked pretty sloppy. For better or worse, they're all uniform now. If we're gonna change the layout, let's work on getting one sample page ''just right'', then we can worry about propagating it. To that end, have a look at "[[Chain of Command]]", see if it clicks for you. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking if we could merge the ''Japanese title'' into the '''''Stats''' section'' because it seems to fit the section better. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't have much of a preference, personally, about how to organize these things. However, I do feel pretty strongly that it should be more or less the same for both cartoon episodes and comic issues. Having different organizational schemes for different sorts of fiction doesn't serve much purpose, and makes things harder to get used to. (On the other hand, I ''also'' feel strongly that all of our passages relating fictional events should be in the same tense regardless of if they happen to be on a character page or a story page, but apparently that makes me insane, so don't take my pleas for consistency too seriously.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

===Cartoon format mark II.5===
Did we ever make a decision on whether to place the quotes area before the stats section? Because the sheer majority of episode articles (including old ones recently converted to current standards) place the stats before the quotes, but I notice some of the latest Cybertron episode articles are placing the quotes before the stats, which is creating inconsistencies in layout. Bear in mind it will create less work for us if we just leave things the way they are, with stats before quotes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

==Cartoon continuity headings==
Have we decided on a definative format for this yet? most of the pages with characters who appeared in Sunbow's G1 through to the japanese series (and maybe Beast Wars as well) have quite different headings, and I recall we were worried about ''Transformers Animated'' causing problems with all the 'Animated continuity' headings on character pages. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think we had decided on using "cartoon" instead of "animated." So use "cartoon continuity," or for those who appear in more than one cartoon continuity, use "Generation 1 cartoon continuity," "Beast Wars cartoon continuity," etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Can we have Diagnostic Drone change all occurrences of "Animated continuity" to "Cartoon continuity"? That'll require some cleanup in the Animated articles, but there are far fewer of those than there are of G1 subjects that are currently mislabeled. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Section-title master list ==

I've made a sandbox for the purpose of assembling a [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|master list of all section titles]], their relation to each other, and their proper wording/formatting. Please discuss; I've introduced some new ideas, and I'd love to see a consistent guide established. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wow, I think this really look nice and useful. ;D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== "First go here! Next go here." ==
I was thinking a bit about the various problems we've got around here -- stuff like incomplete image descriptions, orphaned articles, etc. There's really no one central place where a newcomer (or a regular who feels like doing something useful but doesn't know what) can go to find a quick list of things that need doing. The current help pages just send you to the list of articles in need of creation, which is kind of daunting, especially for a newcomer who has to learn a million standards and Wikia tags. Is there a more comprehensive way to point people in the direction of useful things they could be doing? Whatever it might be, it should include links to:
* Pages in need of creation
* Orphaned pages
* Stubs
* Pics needed
* Any current projects, like the Beast Wars one. Hell, I couldn't find that thing if my life depended on it.
...as well as a note about common problems: dead/missing storylinks, incomplete image descriptions, and whatever else. (Heck, who knows? Maybe it could even distract an IP person long enough to prevent them from screwing with captions.... ahh, who'm I kidding?} -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:There are some of those things catalogued [[Special:Specialpages|here]], but I think making links to the most important of these categories, and placing them together in one easy-to-find link off the main page, would be best. Perhaps on the Help contents page, since it's linked right off the main page already, in the most logical location? I think that link is a bit small, for what it's worth. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
::One of the projects in the back of my head is a help-page/guide specifically breaking down the creation of character pages, plus the use of "common templates" for them (disambigs, stubs, notes). I'll see if I can scrounge up some time to rough-copy one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Other Maintenance Templates?==
I haven't had much time to do more "substantial" wiki edits lately, but I've been prepping for later with the charstub sub-categories. Fiction really isn't my bag... I mean, I know it in general, but not issue titles and numbers and bla bla. But I figure it's also nice to have the "really needs a lot of stuff" pages separated from the "just needs some stuff in one subsection" ones, especially once I can make a concentrated effort to update the toy sections of various pages. I've been thinking about other similar "needs maintenance" template/categories, but I thought I'd bring it up here since I'm not sure who else might make use of them... 
I've noticed quite a lot of pages missing storylinks. I'm not intending on going through a big wiki-wide hunt, but as I go through the stubs and other pages doing little maintenance and tweaks, well, I think I'd like to be able to mark pages I come across that are missing those links they should have. Picture and quote? Isaac Sumdac and/or Tutorbot, "I cannot believe I programmed you with such simplistic information!" (Idea courtesy of Trent Troop.) 
I'd swear there was another one, but right now, too tired to think of it and must sleep. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:Perhaps a tag for a page with too many damn redlinks for concepts that will never need articles?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think that will be neccessary, as it's a simple matter of removing the [[ and <nowiki>]]</nowiki>s. Storylinks, though, require some research. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I usually label such pages with <nowiki>{{stub|storylinks}}</nowiki>. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Trick is, often they're not really stubs, are they? the main info is there, there's just not a "where'd this happen?" link. And maybe it's the data-manager in me that says this, but I think it'd be a lot easier to have a common problem like lack of storylinks as a category all its own, all together for easy identification and maintenance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

== Disambiguation ==

We need a consensus on hiw we handle disambuigation in article titles. We've had some moving between [[Silverbolt (BW)]] and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]], and [[Dirge (Timelines)]] and [[Dirge (Whatever the Botcon 05 set was)]] because there are two Silverbolts in BW and two Dirges in Timelines. However, since one of those Dirges and one of those Silverbolts are G1 characters, the (BW) and (Timelines) tags are fine for the other two. The tags are simply for keeping the articles separate; not for telling you what continuity they're in. Plus, (Timelines) is much easier to type than "(Botcon boxset name I can't remember)". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:Somewhat related to the discussion at [[Talk:Starscream (Timelines)]]. My personal criteria is that a name used for two (or more) characters in the same toyline requires more specific disambiguation, regardless of the characters' origin, because readers shouldn't be expected to remember whether some character was already in another toyline. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::So... what should disambigs be?
:# Distinguished ''only'' when strictly necessary. "Silverbolt (BW)" is fine because, while there were 2 Silverbolt toys in the BW Toyline, the other one is actually Silverbolt (G1)- so only one entry is trying 'sits' in the (BW) disambig, and no more specific disambing is needed. Parenthetical disambigs should be the broadest possible category the article can sit in without conflicting with another article, (usually a continuity family or franchise.) Absolutely no 'bumping' of disambigs as a concession to aesthetics.
:# Distinguished on a logical basis. "Silverbolt (Fuzor)" because there are two Silverbolts in the BW toyline, and the article title should not allow for confusion between the two.
:# Providing continuty info. A hypothetical new character Roller in the 2008 Universe line would be "Roller (Classic)" not "Roller (Universe)"-- so that the article title doesn't mislead people into thinking he's part of the 2004 Universe continuity.
::My problem with #2 ''and'' #3 is that the diambig isn't supposed to convey that information. The first line of the article, right below the title does. It will say 'Silverbolt is a Fuzor in the Beast Wars continuity family...' or 'Roller is a Ultracon in the Classics portion of the Generation 1 continuity family.'
::We are currently usign method #1. I oppose a change to methods 2 or 3 for the following reasons:
:# The '''first line''' of the article already supplies the information that solutions 2 & 3 would seek to add- and does it ''better.''
:# Implementing 2 or 3 would make it harder for ''editors'' to know where article are sitting ("I know there was only one Silverbolt in BW, why is my link to Silverbolt (BW) broken?")
:# The purpose of the parenthetical disambigs is not to convey info- it is to keep articles with the same title from sitting in the same namespace. Attempting to make disambigs convey information actually ''adds ambiguity'', because it would force the the locations the articles sit in to become ''less'' standard.
::Let diambigs be disambigs. If we want to make continuity notes clearer or more prominent, we can look at revising our approach to '''them'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

::We already have [[Help:Disambiguation]] to more or less lay this out. (I've just made a couple small changes to it for clarification.) There is going to be no simple rule of thumb which leads to tbe best results in every case, so make the parenthetical as brief and clear as you can. Derik is correct that the purpose of the parenthetical is to give the articles different names so the database doesn't get confused. To help out editors when we make links, it is good for them to be short and easy to remember. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So, should we move [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] and [[Dirge (Decent into Evil)]] and the mirrorverse guys back to [[Silverbolt (BW)]], [[Dirge (Timelines)]] and [[mirrorverse guys (Timelines)]]? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:Wait to see if others have strong feelings/argument first. (We have a policy, but it's subject to conseunsus, remember? Also- I think I wrote most of that page so my point of view is unfairly over-represented there.) ''On review, no, apparently this is one policy page I '''didn't''' write. ...why can't I tell Steve-o's writing apart from my own? Scary. :~(
:Personally I say emphatically yes on Dirge, indifferent affirmative on Silverbolt, and wait and see on the Shattered Glass pages. We don't now where/if they fit in existing continuity. There's no point in movinf them a half-dozen times while arguing about unknowables. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Pages about fan sites ==

Is there a policy about this? I wanted to add TF Pulp, but I didn't see any other TF sites on here at all, so I figured I should ask first.
{{unsigned|Might Gaine|2008-02-27T14:04:54}}

:We don't give unofficial sites their own articles. You can link to information on TF Pulp from appropriate pre-existing articles, though. That sort of thing enhances the wiki by allowing people to find further information on the topics they are reading about. Just put it into an "External links" section right before the categories. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

==Cartoon episode title cards redundancy==
Why are we moving towards using the title cards of episodes for the main/starting picture of episode articles? Isn't it redundant to have a boring screenshot with the name of the episode placed next to...... the name of the episode in the actual article itself? Wouldn't it be more interesting to do what we have been doing, and use a screen capture that somehow encapsulates the whole episode, or shows a pivitol point in it that sticks in our memory? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:I've wondered the same thing myself, but figured it was a done deal. I too support the "memorable/encapsulating moment" approach. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh... I'm sorry, I think I started it. ;-) When I was doing some early RiD ep stubs I threw in the titlecards because the early episodes were boring as sin. I think McFeely did it for the JP eps because they tend to have those painterly titlecards...
::Really, it's just something you do if there isn't a ''good'' representative image. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Like Code of Hero (an article that needs a major overhaul itself), I originally put an image of Dinobot's sword lying on the deck of his quarters, because it looked poignant. Did the same for various other Beast Wars episodes. Then Interrobang replaced them all with screencap of the title screens. Gah. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::So tell him to stop! ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sigh. I did it because I like consistency, even with Japanese series. "Dinobot's sword on the ground" might be your favoritest image ever but it's the odd duck out now. (It also looks terrible due to the artifacting brought about by needlessly screwing with the brightness and contrast.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Consistency is Victory- but Transformers Victory was incredibly boring. (Victory Gundam was pretty good though...) [[The Weak Component]], [[Survivor]] and [[End of the Line]] all have virtually ''identical'' title screens- an aerial shot of the Cybertropolis spaceport. That sucks— I'd much rather have an iconic image from each episode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I agree. Using iconic images is really good for the most episode guides, such as [[Code of Hero]], [[The Weak Component]], and several [[B.O.T. (episode)|others]], especially "Code of Hero" and "The Weak Component" are great and good examples. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 13:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Personally, I started doing for the Japanese series for the reason Derik gives, because it was usually a unique image made for the title card, or a good one that's representative of the episode. There were some duds, but... consistency. And then... ''Masterforce'' started to do really, ''really'' boring ones, and I was about to give up, then it occurred to me to start using the image from the next-ep preview, which proved a winner in most cases (in fact, I may yet go back and change swap out some of the title-card images with these, if it's a better option). The mention of Victory here amuses me, though, 'cause it's a good example of title cards being boring - it's the same two images of Star Saber and Deathsaurus, rotated in and out, for the whole series. I've used them for the first two episodes just to get them on show, but I plan to use the title-images from the next-episode previews for this one. I mean, when I wake up from the dullness-inducing stupor that Victory induces. - McFeely, at work
::::::::I reverted Dinobot's sword back to the version I uploaded. As I had not viewed the page much since last year, I didn't realize that Repowers tried to brighten it up for some reason - that moment is supposed to focus on the sword, not the room. And it's the 'odd duck out' now because some people have been replacing whatever had served as the main image with the title card. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I brightened it because, when it's reduced for the actual episode page where most people are going to see it, you can't tell what the heck you're looking at. Right now it looks a little bit of vague white stuff in darkness. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Vaat? I can see if plenty fine there, unless you're using a very, very high resolution that makes everything tiny. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Could be my home monitor, which is HUGE. It does look more discernable from a work computer, though IMO it could still stand to be a tad brighter. -- [[user:repowers|repowers]], not signed in
I've changed my mind on this situation after mulling it over. A winner is FNN. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:FNN sounds even more like a Simon Furman sound effect than FFN :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::You clearly changed your name after I replied. There's no another answer. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Hnh. FNN never DID want to live forever. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

==Help/policy page namespaces==
As part of the help/policy page revamp I plan to do... eventually... I kind of want to consolidate the pages all into a single namespace. Right now we have [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=12 a bunch of stuff] in the Help namepsace, and [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=4 a bunch of other stuff] in the Transformers Wiki (aka "meta") namespace. This is needlessly confusing. I vastly prefer "Help" for the purposes of typing it all the time, but, the meta namespace is more general purpose and standard... and possibly required for some pages like the title blacklist. So I am inclined to shuffle all the Help namespace pages over to the meta namespace. Does anybody have an opinion on this? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Help seems fine to me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

== "The Battlestars" page disappeared ==

When the "Battlestar" (team) page got changed to "Battlestars", then "The Battlestars" page, which was the manga, disappeared. What happened? --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 13:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think that page actually existed in the first place. It was a red link before any moving was done - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm. My bad. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 15:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==Comic character box format Part IV==
I believe we should change it from 'Major characters' to 'Featured characters' like we do in the cartoon recap articles. Doing it as 'Major characters' means writers of these comic articles will just not bother list the incidental characters, such as humans, even ones with dialogue, and if any of these characters have articles, they become orphaned articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well I have gone thru nearly the entire U.S. Marvel series and I think I've included just about everyone who had a speaking line, except for folks who were un-named and such. If someone wants to change from "major" to "featured", it doesn't matter to me, but I'm not gonna go thru all 80 issues again and do it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::I was concerned because I was looking for the article for that [[Professor Goring]] guy from [[Spotlight: Shockwave]] so I could update the article. To my surprise, Shockwave didn't link or even name him, and somebody had eliminated the 'human' column altogether because evidently we only dealt with 'major' characters. Essentially, Goring's article became orphaned. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well that was dumb; he should indeed be re-added. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, yeah. That's not good. I support the change to "Featured" not just for this... but let's face it, this wiki is not simply about "Major" characters. The vast wealth of non-major character information is what makes this wiki great, and we should make sure that they are properly linked to so people can find them, even if they weren't looking. "Oh, hey, who's this?" --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::::MistaTee, well sometimes even unnamed characters can be interesting enough to warrant their own articles if they are interesting in some way/stand out in some way. After all, we have an entire category devoted to unnamed characters. So I think they should have been mentioned in the article in some way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I agree, and if I've missed any, please feel free to add. I do think the 80 issues I've updated is a lot better than they were before though. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 13:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Of course. Is there article template pages somewhere on this wiki or are we copy pasting every time we write a new article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I've just been going through the Stormbringer articles, and I was ''not at all'' happy with the with the way characters who didn't have significant dialogue (such as ''every'' Pretender besides Bludgeon) were for the most part not even mentioned in the articles. I assume the original writer of these articles just didn't know who they were, but frankly it's just sloppy considering the information available on this wiki even in 2006. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I believe I reformatted them to the new format, but just copied the character list from what was there. When I get the chance to re-read, I will add in the others, if someone doesn't beat me to it. Oh, and I am copying and pasting from the previous article, but trying to be consistent. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

:So... what becomes of the former "minor characters" list? Do we even care about those dudes? Take [[Totaled!]] for example -- almost every Earth Autobot to date appears in the story (and most of the Decepticons), but the page currently lists only the speaking ones. Gods help the poor soul who decides to take that task on, but when some nobody like Air Raid makes a rare appearance in the comics, it seems worth noting. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::IMO, I think those characters should perhaps be in a cameos section, a subset of "Items of note". But I sure as hellz am not going thru the whole Marvel series again to do that. Someone else can have a go at it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

==Navigation boxes for shared US/UK stories==
I wish I'd noticed [[user:MistaTee|MistaTee]]'s changes to the Marvel US navigation boxes sooner, but that's water under the bridge now. When I set the boxes up, I deliberately left out certain links at points where the continuities split and come back together. The point was that there would be no duplicate links in the box. One hopes that the reader following the UK chain will be smart enough to figure out that the only "Next" link shown will lead to the next step in the chain. This goes double for US stories that have the same Next and Previous links for the UK. Why do the same links need to be duplicated?

Compare:
* [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Cold_War%21&oldid=129298 Old version of Cold War]. There's no "next" for the UK spot, 'cause it would just be the same as the US "next" link.
* [[Cold War!|current version of Cold War!]] - two "next" links are identical.

Also compare:
* [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dark_Star%21&oldid=152775 Old version of Dark Star!] - no extraneous info.
* [[Dark Star!|Current version of Dark Star!]] - ''two'' redundant links.

To sum up my take on current version:

Minus:
* Redundant links add to confusion
* Double nav box is ugly and should be avoided when possible

Plus:
* Lists UK publication number right up front
* Consistent format for all US issues.

But I've never been one to favor consistency at the expense of practicality. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

:Now see, I didn't like '''not''' having a next for the UK, even if it's the same as the US one. What I think we really need is a revision of the nav box, and maybe have some more options. First, I think there should be a separator line between the US and UK nav. Secondly, maybe some logic could be programmed in so that IF "next2"="next" THEN it would say "same as U.S. version" or something along those lines. Same for the "prev"/"prev2" naturally. Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::That sounds like an excellent trade-off -- it gets rid of the bothersome parts while keeping the good bits. Uhhh.... anybody have any idea how to do it? The coding of these things is an utter mystery to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== How to spell Malay. ==

Hello everyone, I've noticed that on the 'English/Malay' dubs, people have spelt word 'Malay' wrong. It doesn't have a 'y', because 'Maylay' is incorrect, so if you see any mistakes, please correct it, thank you! Also, can we not put the word crack head next to it? It's quite offensive.--[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:It's meant in jest because the [[RTM 1 dub]] is really, really bad, as if the dubbers didn't know what the hell was going on half of the time. But we have been changing such instances to 'RTM 1 dub name:' lately. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:"crack head" is describing the dubs, and with good reason. Battleship Maximus is called "Spaceship Bruce", Blaster is called "Billy", Twincast "Blaster", Metroplex "Phillip", Spike "Sparkle", Soundblaster "New Soundwave", Minevera "Nightbeat", The Matrix and Energon cubes "Power Packs, etc... --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::We should probably get the drone onto the task of replacing "Maylay" with "Malay", however. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know about the crack head comment, it's better to avoid offending people; 'though, Spaceship Bruce is my favourite, next to Wally. Also, you got your drone right here (yay?), but do we replace it with 'English/Malay dub', or 'RTM dub'? --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
::::I fully agree with the removal of "crackhead." Frankly, it IS offensive to equate the oddities that arise from the translation of Japanese into English done by people who's first language was likely neither with being on crack. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Can we leave it in for just Spaceship Bruce? The others are at least somewhat understandable, but ''Spaceship Bruce''? WTCHOP? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, but I don't wanna label another country saying it's populated by drug addicts. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory in English in the early 90's(?), and for a non-Japanese speaking country, they made a good effort. I guess you can emphasise the weirdness that is Spaceship Bruce, in his bio or the RTM page. So, 'RTM dub' or 'Englsh/Malay' dub? Technically, there was no Malay in the English dubs in the first place, so I'd go for RTM dub :) --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:::::::It takes a real willfully oppressed state of mind to interpret that as a racial/nationalist insult. I mean, you have to really ''want'' to be offended by something, and be on the lookout for any little thing to jump on. 'Cause "crack-head" is pretty clearly referring to the ''dubs'', not the ''entire freaking country'', and I'm not sure why anyone would decide to think otherwise. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::You know, crackhead is generally a term that refers to ''people'', not ''things''. As I said above, we shouldn't be seen to be equating the people who produced these dubs with crackheads because of what we perceive as humorous oddities in the translation, which are possibly just the perfectly natural result of cultural and linguistic confusion. Now it might not be an insult to the entire nation of Malaysia, but it is still, I think, a bit offensive. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, regardless.... shouldn't it actually be the "Crackhead ''RTM-1'' dub"? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::'Cracked-up English/Malay' dub, 'though it's not my idea, and it's not so blunt. Or the shorter 'RTM dub', since there is an [[RTM 1 dub]] page where people can redirect themselves there and elucidate the weirdness of weird names; but do we have to spell Malay with two 'y's? Maybe we can make reference to that on the RTM page again. --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:::::::::I think 'Cracked-up English/Malay' could be used for the article such as [[Ginrai]] and [[Minerva]]('cause their RTM dub name "Optimus Prime" and "Nightbeat" were too... hilarious?), while just "RTM dub" for Fortress Maximus' Spaceship Bruce. Well, just a little opinion. :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: Agree! :D --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]

==Trivia section image formatting==
This issue came up a while ago on [[Talk:Frenzy_%28Movie%29#Image_format|Frenzy's talk page]]. There were opnions both ways, and it wasn't really resolved. The issue is, should images in trivia sections alternate left-right, or be all on one side?

Part of the trouble with alternating sides is that it kills the bullet points. A double bullet has to be inserted for it to show up, and then there's some ambiguity over which bullets should be doubled and which left single. Dpouble bullets can also cause images to overlap the text.

Several folks said there's a lot of ugly white space when the images are stacked on one side. I see it just the opposite on my (admittedly gigantic) screen, with every image having a big empty white space below it when they alternate sides. Apparently it's got something to do with monitor resolution, so there might not be a solid answer. But --

I'd ''love'' so see some screencaps from folks showing how they see things on their monitors. It's a little hard to understand this problem without seeing it from other people's POV.

I started a little Sandbox at [[:user talk:repowers/Sandbox2]] with two different versions of Frenzy's trivia. The first one stacks all the images at the top. Does this work for people on lower monitor resolutions, or does it still look like crap? With them all stacked at the front, I don't see how they could have any white space, regardless of monitor resolution. On my screen, it looks very neat and tidy, while the second one is messy. See:

[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/frenzy1.jpg Stacked] 
[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/frenzy2.jpg Alternating]

Thoughts and input welcomed. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

:Alternating does kind of suck now. I've been putting pics all on the right side where there are bullet points since Wikia updated their software... an update which covered single bullet points if you put an image on the left side of the screen. I suggest cutting down on images in Trivia, since most users here have smaller monitors and use lower resolutions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think the easiest answer is to just remove the head images. They're essentially redundant and don't really add anything to the reader's understanding. I'd call for a general limit on how many images you can stuff into a section. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd remove the head images from the article proper... but then make a text link to them within the relevant paragraph so people can see them anyway if they want to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::::That works. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Foreign name format ==
I just found the foreign names doesn't have an unified format.
:For example, some are
::''Hungarian name:'' '''Kerék''' ("Wheel"(with or without ""))
:others are
::''Hungarian name'': '''Kerék''' (meaning Wheel(or "Wheel"))

I suggest we could use an unified format like the below:
:<nowiki>:''Foreign name 1:'' '''Name A''' (Form A), '''Name B''' (Form B)</nowiki>
:<nowiki>:''Foreign name 2:'' '''Name''' ("English meaning")</nowiki>

Take [[Hot Rod]] for example, it will look like:
:''Japanese name:'' '''Hot Rodimus''' (Hot Rod), '''Rodimus Convoy''' (Rodimus Prime)
:''Hungarian names:'' '''Nagyágyú''' ("Hot ''Shot''"), '''Rodimusz Fővezér''' ("Prime Commander Rodimus")

Thoughts and idea are welcomed :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't have a strong opinion on how the international names are standardized, but I strongly agree that they should be. I nominate someone else to go through and do it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 21:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Wookiepedia has a darn nifty interface ==

What would it take for us to create something similar but Transformers-y?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think the admins were adament that we keep a simple, bare-bones default look to the TF wiki, in keeping with our 'let's not take this stuff too seriously' attitude and tone. At least that's what I remember them saying when I suggested an orange layout like what Teletraan I looked like in the cartoon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::The current Wookieepedia also doesn't seem to want to cooperate with my comp here at work. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

==Characters lacking visuals category?==
It's dawned on me that there are actually quite a few characters who don't have any form of visual representation. They may have been described, but there are no ''pictures''. While a bulk of these are from prose stories, there's several who were simply mentioned by name in comics, or in external sources (Key Code info, S7 site, etc). More than enough to justify a category. 
I think that maybe there should also be a template/visual for this to call attention to this fact on the page right up front. I'm thinking a variation on the current <nowiki>{{mainpic}}</nowiki> template... a silhouette, (different from the mainpic one) and some text saying "This character has no known official visual depiction" or something. Anyone? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well, for the characters with the mainpic template, the idea is that the mainpic image is there as a placeholder, and to annoy people into tracking down an image.
:However, characters that have never had any visual depiction, and are unlikely to ever get one, don't need a placeholder for their image, and the template will just pointlessly take up room. I'm against the template, but I think the category is a good idea, and will suffice to identify these characters. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::I disagree. The point is specifically to call attention to their lack of imagery, so nobody thinks "maybe they do have an image". And considering how little there ''is'' to most of those characters, a little extra visual pizzaz to their pages can't hurt. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::''so nobody thinks "maybe they do have an image"'' Are you intending to convey that message to ''editors,'' or casual users? Editors will, in theory, know enough to look for the category. I'm not sure casual users need to have the point brought to their attention.
:::And, it's not like we have scads of frantic editors running around trying to find pics for characters who have only appeared in prose. This may be a solution without a problem. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

== Timelines disambuig ==

There doesn't seem to be a consensus on how to name the various Timelines articles.

I feel that any disambiguation in the article title should be limited to keeping the articles separate. For instance, [[Optimus Prime (Shattered Glass)]] should be at [[Optimus Prime (Timelines)]] unless there is another Optimus Prime who's first appearance in anything was in Timelines. G1 Prime appearing in the 2007 Timelines comic does not affect this, as he is already at [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]. If G1 Prime being in a Timelines comic affected this, we would need to move [[Cyclonus (Armada)]] to [[Cyclonus (Armada whatever size class he is)]] because a version of G1 Cyclonus appeared in ''Worlds Collide''. The only reason to include the set name in the article title is ''two'' separate characters who first official anything is in ''Timelines''. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shattered Expectations ==

Um, shouldn't those[[Deathsaurus|1]][[Bug Bite|2]] who appear in ''[[Shattered Expectations]]'' have their own page like others[[Optimus Prime (Timelines)|1]][[Grimlock (Timelines)|2]] even their counterparts' article would be short? --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 06:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:I brought this up on [[Category_talk:Mayhem_Suppression_Squad]]. As I said there, I think they should either get their own articles or if that's not warranted just be covered on the Mayhem Suppression Squad article. Either way, I don't think "Shattered Expectations" fiction sections belong on the normal-verse guys' pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

==Monaco skin==

Hi -- Have you guys seen the new Monaco skin that's being used on Wikia now? You can see it at [[w:c:muppet|Muppet Wiki]] and [[w:c:marveldatabase|Marvel Database]].

As we've been rolling the skin out across Wikia, there are a few things that we've found when wikis switch to Monaco:

* The number of pageviews goes up. The flyout menus encourage new readers to explore the content on the site, and people end up sticking around on the site for longer.

* The number of new editors goes up. Readers spend more time on the site, and find pages that they want to contribute to. Also, the design makes the edit button more prominent.

* The site is faster. There were some changes made last week to Monaco that make pages load a lot faster than Monobook. Hit "random page" a few times on a Monaco wiki, and you'll see what I mean.

So I'm going around and proselytizing to the Entertainment wikis that are still using Monobook. If you want to make a custom Monaco skin like Marvel Database and Wookieepedia have, I can help you make that happen. What do you guys think? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:Monaco does look nice, though it might go against what I understand is the wiki's purpose, which is to be quick and dirty, no fancy stuff and no pretention that this wiki is in any way officially endorsed or serious. At least that's the gist of what I was told after I previously suggested we could make the default colour of this wiki a shade of orange, like the computer systems in the original Transformers cartoons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, we don't have to do a custom skin -- it could be the basic blue and white. I'm mostly interested in the improved functionality. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Eh, if it makes the place ''easier'', I don't think the "pure and simple" folks will object.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

And truth be told, I think the main dealbreaker here might be the extent to which Suki and Derik may or may not have farted about with tweaking Monobook. I know they've both made alterations, but I don't know quite what.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:That stuff won't be affected at all. We can copy Monobook.css over to Common.css, and all of the tweaks that they made will still work. No problems. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

My biggest concern is the menus. The "by series" list could easily fill the entire vertical direction of the screen. We don't actually have all the series listed on the main page now (Machine Wars, Dinobots, Timelines, Universe (2008), not to mention licenced lines like Animorphs, SWTF, Crossovers).--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, the idea with the menus is to be selective rather than comprehensive. It's not supposed to be a complete sitemap for the wiki -- you just want to give the new readers something to click on first.

:On [[w:c:Muppet|Muppet Wiki]], we put up the most popular Muppet Show and Sesame Street characters, and then a link to "More characters". We just want to entice people into making that first click, without overwhelming them with choices.

:I have access to click-through data for the Monaco menus, so it's possible to run some tests. You could put up a set of menus for a few days, and then I'll be able to tell you which items are getting clicked. That way, you could refine the menus so that you could highlight the items that are most likely to get clicked on. I've been doing that with the Muppet menus, and it's fun to see what the readers are actually interested in reading about. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::So what do you guys think? I'd like to help you switch over to the new skin... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 19:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::For some reason none of the admins have chimed in. I assume they're all off doing useless things like living in Real Life. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Yeah, I left messages for Chris and ItsWalky... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::You might want to leave messages for [[User:Suki Brits]] and [[User:Steve-o]] as well. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well admins? Let's hear your opinions! I find the silence from the staff to be discouraging. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If there's an actual interest in switching over to Monaco, then I would certainly have nothing against that... but I'd definitely like to hear more from the community first. Aside from that, I have no objections speaking as an admin; the modifications really aren't an issue. On the other hand, speaking as a wiki editor and professional web designer... I would definitely want to use a modified version, as it's got several pretty important issues. My thoughts, in no particular order:
* Search is nigh useless, again. Right now it resembles our ''broken'' Monobook search. I don't think that's a good thing. On the other hand, I'm currently working on fixing that anyway, so it's not like the same couldn't be done for Monaco.
* The header sucks. It really, really does. It's only 150px tall, but it sends a pretty powerful message: we'd rather show you this pretty, irrelevant picture then let you immediately get to article. ''I'' would want the top of the article as close to the top as possible.
:: Gah, I brought it over into another browser that doesn't block ads... and now I see why it's so obnoxiously huge. I am ''strongly'' opposed to putting giant hideous banner ads at the top of everything. Like, it's a little insulting that Wikia really thinks that ''that'' should be the first thing readers see. Teletraan I, like everything else on Wikia, is naturally ad-driven; but Monobook isn't offensive about it.
* The language selection is in a dropdown box, which is a TERRIBLE idea. This personally doesn't affect me, as I don't speak Hungarian, but it's pretty awful for anyone who actually is interested in seeing foreign language versions of articles... and has to click a dropdown menu on every single page if they're curious.
* The "community" box is really unhelpful. Half the content (user page, user talk, etc.) is redundant with the top of the screen, and absolutely nobody is interested in just the most recent two edits. That just leaves the number of articles. This is a lot of wasted room for nothing.
* I ''do'' like that the obnoxious sidebar on the right is gone. The current framing in Monobook wastes all sorts of space and Monaco definitely doesn't ''look'' like it has that problem.
There's also a bunch of minor things, but they don't really matter so much. The big issues are the useless space, a need to do major fixes to search, and the huge obtrusive banner ads (as opposed to the ones on the side in Monobook). But if Wikia's really willing to work with us on it, then by all means, it's up to what the community thinks. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:I've been around the Wookieepeedia lately, and I've noticed when you click edit, it loads significantly slower on Monaco than it does on the Monobook format. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

::Hi guys -- Sorry it took me so long to respond. I'll make up for it with a super-long answer. :)

::Yes, absolutely -- I want to work with you on this. Some of the things you've raised I can clear up immediately. For some, I can explain the rationale behind the approach, and show you some stats that may help. And if there are some things that need to get tweaked, I can talk to the designers & tech folks to see if we can come up with a solution.

::Just so you know: I work for Wikia now, but I started out in 2005 as the founder of [[w:c:muppet|Muppet Wiki]]. Working on wikis is my job now, but Muppet Wiki is where my heart lives, so I'm always looking out for what's going to help or hurt "my wiki". I am/was a big Monobook fan, and I was skeptical about Monaco as it was being designed. The thing that made me a Monaco fan was actually trying it out on Muppet Wiki, and then looking at the stats to see how it was working. Muppet Wiki and Teletraan I are very similar -- about a dozen really active contributors, a strong admin team and a community of about 60-80 contributors. So I can share with you what I saw on Muppet Wiki, and what I can see in the pageviews stats.

::First up, the rationale behind some of the decisions made with the new skin. There are some features on the new skin that the most active editors think are useless, like the Community box or the flyout menus. And it's true, those aren't very helpful for the active contributors. They're designed for the anonymous/new people, who are the vast majority of our readers.

::Here's the stats on unique visits for Teletraan I. (Unique visits counts the number of visits to a site, and not the number of pages you look at in each visit. So if you come to the wiki and look at 100 pages, that counts as one unique.) In the last month, there have been 2,725,000 anonymous visits, and 261,000 logged-in user visits. That means 91% of the visits to the site aren't logged-in contributors.

::Logged-in editors make 77% of the edits here, so obviously we're the people who are actually building the content that people are reading. Logged-in editors are important, and the dozen people who make over 100 edits here every month are especially important. Still, if you want to make the community bigger and more active, then you have to think about whether the design of the site encourages anonymous users to sign in and become active members.

::The purpose of designing the new skin was to make the wiki more accessible to the 91% of anonymous readers. Obviously, we have to keep the functionality that the active contributors need in order to build the wiki. At the same time, we have to be aware that the Monobook skin that we're familiar with is kind of confusing for brand-new people.

::For example, the "log in" button is in really small type at the very top right of the screen. From a website design perspective, that's crazy -- it's like we don't want people to find it. The log-in buttons on Monaco are big, green, candy-like buttons. There's one at the top right, and there's another one in the Community box on the sidebar. We want to encourage people to log in.

::In general, having all the important Monobook controls in little bitty tiny type says: We hate people who are older than 40. ("Go back to AOL, old man!") All of the Monobook buttons are in the same font, from the crucial stuff like "Log in" and "Edit this page" to the more obscure controls like "Related changes" and "Permanent link". On Monaco, the stuff that's important to brand-new users is bigger -- log-in, edit, the link to the home page. The search box is at the top, rather than being buried down in the sidebar. The controls that logged-in users need, like "What links here" and "Special pages", are in smaller type -- they're important to us, but a brand-new user wouldn't know what to do with them.

::Okay, so that's my very long introduction... Now I'll respond to the points that you guys have brought up.

::'''Search''': I think when you say that search is broken, you mean that there's just a "Go" button and not a "Search" button next to the search box. (If you mean something else, then let me know.) That's true, and it's something that I struggled with as the design for Monaco was taking shape. I use the Search button all the time, and I was frustrated that it wasn't included. Then I looked at the stats. On Teletraan I in the last month, logged-in users used Go for 91% of searches, and Search for 9%. Anonymous users used Go for 97% of searches. Given that, I think it's okay to make the Search button less prominent. I remember when I first started using wikis, I was totally confused by having two buttons. (Do I want to Go or Search? Well, I want to search, and then go to the search results...) I only figured out the difference through trial and error. So in Monaco, the search box at the top is Go, and then you can have a link to [[Special:Search]] in the toolbox. (Some wikis have that, and some don't -- Muppet has it, if you want to see how it works.)

::'''Community box''': That's one of the features that's designed to encourage brand-new users to explore the site. When you look at a wiki as a new reader, it's not always apparent that there's a community there. You read pages, but you don't necessarily know whether the articles were written today or a year ago. (Unless you look at Recent changes, which a brand-new reader doesn't know to do.) The Community box is designed to bring a little taste of the community activity up to their view. It's not a helpful way for a contributor to keep track of Recent changes, but it does show new people that something's going on. If you come to the site and see that somebody edited a page 15 seconds ago, then you understand that there's an active community. On Muppet Wiki in the last month, 1,404 anonymous readers logged in using the button in the Community box, 1,539 anon readers clicked the "more..." button to go to Recent changes, and 1,287 clicked on article links that they saw in the Latest Activity area. Those are readers who may not have been engaged with the site if they hadn't seen the activity going on in the Community box. On the other hand, logged-in contributors only clicked in the Community box 350 times. It's not designed for us; it's for the 91% of anons.

::'''Obnoxious ads''': This is the one area that's designed to help the company rather than the wiki. Basically, the deal is that Wikia doesn't make a lot of money from the "skyscraper" ads on the right sidebar. Nobody clicks on them, and most advertisers don't bother to make ads like that anymore. Advertisers want banner ads, and they want them at the top of the page. I can't justify this one in wiki terms, except to say that if we want Wikia to stay in business and continue to host wikis, then we need to change the skin to accommodate the changing ad market. Otherwise, there won't be a Wikia after a while.

::'''Languages drop-down''': We changed the list into a drop-down menu because sites like Wookieepedia had a long list, which took up a lot of sidebar space, and only had about 100 clicks on language links in a month. On Teletraan I, there have only been 2 clicks on the language links since October.

::'''Content space''': There is slightly less content area on Monaco when you first come to the page. The sidebar is smaller than the combined left & right Monobook sidebars, so the content area is wider. The banner ad means that the height takes a hit for the first screen. As you scroll down, though, the Monaco content area is bigger than on Monobook, because the page is wider. I can show you some screencaps if you want more info on this.

::'''Slow edits on Wookieepedia''': That looks like a bug that's specific to Wookieepedia... I'm not sure what's going on there. It looks like when you hit edit on Wookiee, it's looking for something from maps.google, and that can slow down the page load for the edit screen. I hadn't seen that before, so I'm really glad you pointed it out. That's not affecting other Monaco wikis like Muppet Wiki or Marvel Database, so there must be something in Wookieepedia's css that's causing that. I'll look into it. If you look at Muppet or Marvel, you'll see that the page load is lightning fast right now. (Not counting periods of site-wide database problems, which affect every skin.)

::So anyway -- this is a huge long post, but I think I responded to everything. As you can tell, I take this stuff really seriously, and I'm willing to put in the time to research the impact and explain what's going on. Do folks have other questions or concerns about Monaco? I could keep talking about this stuff all day. :) -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 17:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Personally, as regular contributor, I'm fine with switching to Monaco, so long as we get to keep our new 'random page thumbnail' above the search box (or anywhere, really). I think it's useful for visitors to be able to visit a random page with an interesting thumbnail image rather than simply doing random searches or hitting Random page repeatedly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::::I knew there was something I forgot to mention! Yeah, the featured page thumbnail. I think that's something that we can adapt.

::::That feature doesn't have anything to do with search -- it just happens that you can put a picture in the Monobook search box. I actually think what you've made is a little misleading. The picture says "Search" on it, and it's right above the search box -- so as a user, I would assume that if I click that, I'll get some kind of search results page. Instead, it goes to a featured article, which isn't necessarily what you'd expect.

::::The feature is really a rotating spotlight for featured articles, which is cool and visual, and helps to bring readers deeper into the content. It's a great idea. I think it would actually be more effective if it was split away from search, so readers would be more likely to recognize it as a featured-article spotlight.

::::So there are a couple ways to do that in Monaco. The easiest way would be to put it in the sidebar -- check out [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]] for an example. Here's pics to show what that would look like.

<gallery>
Image:Monacosidebar1.jpg
Image:Monacosidebar2.jpg|You can update this list anytime, so you can freshen it up every day or every week. Or never.
Image:Monacosidebar3.jpg|That big green, fire-snortin' lizard must be included.
Image:Monacosidebar4.jpg|If you click on "Embrace the Knowledge", it takes you to the Allspark article. Obviously.
</gallery>

::::It's not graphical, but it allows you to bring the funny into the sidebar, which you've never been able to do before. One advantage of this approach is that you can add in new articles to the sidebar without having to wait for somebody to make a graphic.

::::If that's not enough and you need to go graphical, then I can talk to our designer, Christian, about creating a widget that can go into the sidebar and have the same function. It could sit above or below the Community box. It would be separate from search, but like I said, that may be a good thing. What do you think? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

If you want to sell this to Walky... make it orange.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Orangemonaco.jpg|thumb|250px|It could be even oranger if that would help.]]
:Does this work? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::The brick skin has a pretty nice brown/orange thing going. That's what I'm using at the moment. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 22:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::See, that's what was needed to get his attention. The orange will draw him, like a moth to a flame.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Monacobrick.jpg|thumb|250px|Monaco Brick, in all its dark red and orange glory.]]
::::Here's how Brick looks... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::Do it! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I TOLD you guys that we should make this wiki orange (to actually look like Teletraan 1) way back before we even knew about Monaco, but you were all "We are serious business about not taking ourselves seriously". --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't know all that much about what can and can't be modified, but can't a number of the problems with Monobook be solved simply by changing the css or js files? I'm mainly talking about the small text size for the tabs and login. Plus, most people who edit wikies are probably familiar with Wikipedia's Monobook interface. Plus, I don't think anyone wants the trouble from the ad format being changed again. A few months ago the site started taking showing wider vertical ads, and it was awhile before the horizontal scrolling mess got cleaned up. But then again I'm the guy who uses XP's Classic Windows scheme with Windows 98's colors and icons, so I may be biased when it comes to new interfaces. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::The Monobook problems can't be solved with css changes. The type size is an example, but it's really a general problem with the layout. Wiki veterans are used to Monobook, but it's not necessarily a great layout for new people. I meet people all the time who read Wikipedia, but when I ask if they've ever made an edit, they say no -- it never occurred to them. I think it's important to make wikis more accessible to new people, and we're finding that Monaco is helping people to explore the wikis and make their first edit.

::Are there other concerns that people have that I can help with? I know that this discussion has gone on a bit, and I'd hate to have it just run out of steam before it gets to a decision. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 18:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::It seems like there aren't any more concerns about the new skin, so I'm thinking about changing it over to Monaco tomorrow, unless someone has objections. Once it's switched over, then I can help you out with whatever customization you want. Is that cool? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 15:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::::A great number of us are indisposed at [[BotCon 2008]] this weekend, but there should still be a handful of us around. So you know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Gyah. I thought we were doing Brick?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:We can do anything you guys want... I'm just playing around for a minute to see if I can come up with something interesting. It's gonna look bad for the next five minutes... and then we can talk about what you guys want, and fix it up nice. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, never mind. That just looked bad. :) So I set it to Brick. If you guys want to change these colors, we can change them to whatever you like. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

===Apparently implemented===
Is there any way to override this that '''doesn't''' override the skins on ''every'' Wikia-hosted wiki? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:Do you mean, you want to see the skin in Monobook? You can go to Preferences --> Skins, and set your preferred skin to Monobook. You can check or uncheck the box that says "Let the admins override my skin choice" to either see customized skins or not. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I know that. My problem with that is the "This setting will follow you across Wikia." clause. I don't want to override EVERYWHERE (e.g. Memory Alpha). Just Monaco wikis. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, they're working on switching over to the Monaco skin on Memory Alpha too... At a certain point, pretty much every Wikia wiki is going to end up on Monaco. Is there something about Monaco that you don't like? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::The flyouts. Certainly not the only thing - the more I look, the less I like, especially the pathetic "Latest Activity" box with a practically-camouflaged recentchanges link, and why exactly are the preferences hidden? - but they're the biggest dealbreaker. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, at first I wasn't crazy about the flyouts either. We tested out using the sidebar without the flyouts on Muppet Wiki, but then I looked at the click stats and found that they really helped new readers to find content on the wiki. The pageviews went down when we took the flyouts out. If you're interested, there's details here: [[w:c:muppet:Muppet_Wiki:Current_events#Sidebar_menus|Muppet Wiki:Current events]].

:::::The "Community" box is also something for the new users. When you first come to the wiki, you might think that it's just a static site... There's no way to know that there's a living community. The latest activity shows people that there are pages that were edited in the last couple minutes. Also, logged-out users see a log-in button in that box. For active logged-in users, a lot of these features aren't that useful. They're really aimed at the 90-something% of readers that aren't logged in. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::(NB: I was expanding my post at the same time you were typing, since I was spending a bit of time looking around).
::::::See, I'm not coming at it from the "guy who runs the wiki" perspective. I'm not a sysop on a Wikia wiki, so "this will boost Teh Stats" has no effect on me [perhaps that means you consider my position irrelevant. I can't help that]. Nor am I a newbie to Wikis, so again, not the target group.
::::::My problem is that (1) they require me to turn JavaScript on in the first place (strictly, add to the NoScript whitelist, but...) and (2) the click-on flyout in the top right is worse than pointless, since there's room for the links without that and it just makes preferences harder to access and (3) I hate non-click flyouts since you they will inevitably be scrolled at the wrong moment, trebly so since they're on the side rather than the top. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I think "this will boost Teh Stats" actually matters to everybody. More readers looking at more pages = more potential contributors = a more active community = more and better content on the site. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::::By the way, I'm not trying to make you like the skin. Either you like it, or you don't. I'm just explaining the rationale behind some of the design decisions, so you know that it wasn't just random or malicious. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

There are three things that would make me more... reconciled... to it. I still probably won't ''like'' it, but...
#On your own "help.wikia", there's a group of links beneath the flyouts to Recent Changes/Upload/etc. They don't appear here or on most Wikia wikis (well, strictly they appear for about half a second on a Ctrl-F5, which suggests they're present but being hidden with CSS or something). They should be there as standard.
#Links to Special:Preferences and Special:Contributions/(self) should be available with a single non-flyover click, either in the "Community" box or at the top right, not in a flyover only. '''ESPECIALLY''' Special:Preferences.
#Be able to override the colour scheme on an individual wiki basis, rather than just "all or nothing" - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::For #1, I'm not sure why you're not seeing the toolbox links. That's an important part of the skin, and it's on every wiki. Check out the screenshots that I added above -- every wiki has links to Recent changes and Upload. If you're not seeing it, then that's a weird bug which we can try to figure out. What browser are you using? Are you only seeing the toolbox disappearing on Transformers, or on other wikis too?

::If you want it, we can put links to Preferences and Contributions in the toolbox, or in the sidebar. I don't know how to change the top header.

::Can you give me an example of what you'd like to see as far as overriding the color schemes? I think it's possible that what you want is currently possible, but I'm not sure. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Okay, #1 was my own fault. An in-browser hack I'd done on Monobook was interacting "unpredictably" with Monaco, and had knocked that (and some minor stuff that doesn't make any difference) out of joint.
:::Okay on #2. I'd be interested to find out how many people ever use Special:Preferences on any skin(s) while you're trotting out stats...
:::On #3, basically, being able to use different (non-default) skins, or at least colour schemes from the chosen skin on different wikis without being limited to the "this will follow you across Wikia". Just because one wiki chooses to smother the page in bright pink (or orange...) doesn't mean I want to change the colour scheme on every wikia. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I love trotting out stats!

Here's the stats on how Transformers contributors click on those links. In the last month, there have been the following clicks:

* Watchlist: 3,114
* Contributions: 427
* User page: 213
* Talk page: 67
* Preferences: 22

So, yeah, contributions is #2 on that list, but preferences is all the way down at the bottom. Preferences is useful when you need it, but people don't need it that often.

But the hypothesis is: If you put Contributions and Preferences into a drop-down menu, people won't click on it as much, and you'll see clicks on those two items going down.

To make a comparison, I looked at Muppet Wiki editors' clicks in February (on Monobook) and in April (using Monaco).

Here's the clicks on Monobook:

* Contributions: 403 (52%)
* Watchlist: 148 (19%)
* Talk page: 132 (17%)
* User page: 83 (11.5%)
* Preferences: 4 (0.5%)

Here's the clicks on Monaco:

* Contributions: 320 (60%)
* Watchlist: 123 (23%)
* Talk page: 53 (10%)
* User page: 23 (4%)
* Preferences: 15 (3%)

The hypothesis doesn't seem to hold up. Percentage-wise, clicks on Contributions and Preferences went up using Monaco. This is a really small sample, so it's not proof of anything... but it indicates that the drop-down menu doesn't chase away clicks.

As far as seeing wikis in different skins, try choosing Monobook in your skin preferences, and keep "allow admins to override my choices" checked. Transformers isn't using a custom skin right now, so you should see this wiki in Monobook -- and you'll also see the customization on Memory Alpha, etc. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 00:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

==Script-style quotes==
There seems to be some disagreement on whether script-style quotes should have quotation marks or not. Personally, I strongly favor including them, for two reasons:
* Visual consistency. There's no reason not to have all the quotes in as similar a format as possible. Having some with quotation marks, and some without, ''in the same section'', seems like needless variation.
* It's... well... it's a ''quote''. We're not writing a screenplay; we're quoting something someone actually said. And a quote gets quotation marks.... fullstop. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Hmm, I'm afraid I disagree. They're simply not necessary, and they clutter the page.
:And, regardless of whether we decide to use double-quotes, can we put a stop to script-style where the quotes are are in double-quotes ''and'' italicized? {shudder} [[User:JW|JW]] 21:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::The italics stuff is flat out bad formatting, no disagreement here. There's an earlier discussion about it somewhere on this page or the archives. Nobody should be adding stuff in that format anymore... I hope.
::As for double quotes... um... I have no clue what you're referring to. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

==Gone Too Far==
I've been alerted it's past the 30-day period for "coming soon Club stuff" non-updating. Have at it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

==Searchbox improvement drive==
So now we have a very nice set of searchboxes, thanks to the lovely design work of M Sipher and the superhuman coding skills of Suki Brits. The effort of these boxes is to show the visitor all of the awesome crap we have. To do that, said cap must in fact be awesome. Unfortunately, a lot of the pages linked to by searchboxes are [[Shatterpoint|imageless]], [[T-AI|missing fiction]], or [[High Wire (Armada)|pretty much content-free]]. Thus, I propose an improvement drive of the searchbox articles. When you click on one of those suckers, try and add something. I dunno how we'd make this official, exactly... - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 06:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are these images supposed to show up automatically by/around/with the actual text box in which you type your search parameters? If so, I'm not seeing them in the current Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::They don't show up in Monaco, Quartz, Cologne Blue, or any other custom theme. Just Monobook, the default. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Is there a way to get the search box changes to load sooner? The way it is now the custom settings for the box are the last thing to load; it uses the default settings until the google ads finish loading. This can take awhile depending on how the crappy campus wireless is acting. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with RolonBolon about the searchbox thing. I know we're hard up for help, but why are we spending time creating these little searchbox images using pics from God knows where, yet we've neglected to upload a single image for the actual pages these buttons lead to? Not the mention pages that have absolutely no content whatsoever.
I think we've overreached ourselves, and in the future we should only do these searchbox things for articles that are largely complete and/or have alot of content and imagery, otherwise we look really half-ass and unfocused. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, what drove it home for me was Sixtrain. I see Sixtrain in the Search box. It looks nifty, like it's his box art. I click on the article, no images. Why the heck can't we upload Sixtrain's box art when we evidently have a clear enough copy of it to make a search teaser?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::I was simply making boxes using what I had on the hard drive as examples, and not everything is good quality at main-image size. I don't think we've "overreached ourselves" at all. At worst, we omit a few items from the searchbox list if their entries are that empty for a little while, OH NOES. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I am of the opinion that a fuzzy picture that can be replaced later is better than no picture at all. It helps users know what it's talking about in the meantime, right? [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 02:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We prefer no pic/no content to a crap pic/crap content. I've been taking a break from the Wiki, but it looks like I'm going on another image safari. My scanner not working is annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The fact that the image is the last one on the page to load isn't just visually annoying; it for some reason also makes whatever you've typed in the search field vanish in Firefox. I've had this happen to me a bunch of times. A lesser annoyance is that the input box moves when the image appears; it would be nice if it could stay in the same place (maybe by making the whole Search box a fixed size?), as it's a bad idea to have a clickable thing that spontaneously jumps around. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
: The way the Search Image works right now, I'd rather not even have them. My computer has slowed down ''epically'' trying to load those images each time, and if it's a high traffic time of day, the rest of the page will basically freeze for 30 seconds or more until that search image gets around to loading. This is extremely annoying when I just need a quick peek at a page before making a link, like checking if Stormcloud is one word or two or if Whirl needs to be disambig-ed in the link. And if I try to click Search to move on to a next page too early, the Image drops down in front and shang-hais my "click", so I go there instead of being able to type in where I want to go.

: I don't like the thing at all. It's been nothing but a hassle for the last day or so. There's already a Random page button right about it -- do we really need this too? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 00:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same thing has been happening to me lately, and I've never experienced that problem on Wookieepedia. And this is a real problem for me, as I'm actually ''supportive'' of the image icons. We may want review the system. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Though in fairness, some of that may be due to Wikia's tendency to nearly-crash every weekend. And to be honest, this weekend has been rather traffic low. I mean, seriously, did every head to BotCon a week early? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Let me know if this continues to be an issue during weekdays (well, before Thursday, anyway). If it is, I'll figure out a way to let users optionally turn them off. I've never noticed it slowing down while trying to load, and any sane browser ''shouldn't'', but if that really is happening for some users, something definitely ought to be done about it.
::::I'll also take a look at preserving the form data while the images load, because that is definitely something that really ''should'' happen, too. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Things sped back up again shortly after SFH's last post, but I'll post again if it keeps happening regularly. Maybe it was just an anomaly. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 03:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Furthermore:''' I did a bit of code modification that should make the form retain anything you've typed before the images loads. You may need to do a hard refresh for the change to show up, but lemme know if that doesn't work for anyone. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

==Templates listing==
Is there a page editors can refer to for templates (messagebox, user notices ect) without having to go through the categories or remembering the last time somebody used it so they can copy-paste it? They seem to be unnecessarily difficult to track down. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:[http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10 here] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 04:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::My main concern was not requiring the page soley for myself, but was this page obviously linked on a help page or something somewhere that anybody could find easily? I'd personally like to see this wiki become more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Agreed, as I've [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 said before on this very page]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah. Our lack of user friendliness might discourage people from joining up. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:What I'm worried about is that some of the other users would actually be okay with that...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, last time I checked some of these other users don't own the wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== new template: Comicinfo ==

Please checkout [[Template:Comicinfo]]. It's a little rough around the edges, but something I think could be useful on the comics pages. Comments and suggestions are welcome.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 02:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Masthead ==

Okay, the old Monobook masthead doesn't look so good under Monaco. How do we change this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:I've looked around and seen that other wikis have already taken advantage of the extra masthead space. Question is, how do we do so, and what dimensions would the new masthead be?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Before we do anything, I would recommend keeping the masthead's filesize reasonable, because there's nothing worse than trying to load a site with a masthead image that is like a megabyte or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, absolutely. I was mainly thinking perhaps something involving a 'shopping of the TFA logo, considering it'd fit the color scheme nicely. Alternatively, maybe something aping the "grid" of G1.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Another thought is whether it's possible for the masthead to be random/rotating. If so, it'd let us do Autobot/Decepticon versions of the same masthead (via color swap) or even rotating versions for different franchises (G1, BW, UT, etc.)--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

Given that we're getting a lot of Transformers Animated traffic lately, I'd say an item in the Monaco sidebar is likely going to help direct people to the right articles.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, I put it in the sidebar. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The more I think on it, the more it seems we'd be best served by condensing the G1 and TFA menus and instead just having one menu that's franchise navigation. I dunno. I'm a little bothered that we can't seem to get the admins to chime in on this, since they're the ones that can edit the sidebar setup the most easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:Eh. Monday after BotCon. A lot of them are probably still sleeping off their flight / drive / booze. Another reason why big changes probably shouldn't've happened this weekend. Give it a day or so. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 19:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The sidebar does need major work, and [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]] is a protected page so I guess it's not just easier for admins to change it, they're the only ones who can?

The issues I have with it are:

* "Featured characters" menu still includes articles that haven't actually been Featured, as well as [[Spark]], which ''has'' been featured but is not a ''character''.
* Generation 1 and Animated are the only franchises listed.
* The G1 and Animated menus are inconsistent in the sorts of articles they list. The Generation 1 menu includes [[Autobot]] and [[Decepticon]], articles were not restricted to G1, then several high profile characters and one obscure, jokey one. The Animated menu, on the other hand, just lists the franchise's cartoon, comic, toyline, and books articles.
* The "Embrace the Knowledge" menu seems to take a bit of scattershot approach. [[Marvel Comics]] is listed, but none of the other publishers. Hasbro is there, but not Takara. With [[Mini-Con]] there, might this be a better place for the Autobot and Decepticon articles, and other factions as well?
--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:[[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]] can only be edited by admins. That's true for all MediaWiki pages. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hate the new skin. ==

Hate this new skin. Just wanted to say it. The old look was much more pleasent and open to read. New one is just crouded and Blah. THIS is gonna take getting use to. No Sir, I don't like it.

:Can it at least not be burgundy and orange? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, it can be any color you like. I was messing around with colors before, but wasn't doing a great job with it, and Rosicrucian said he wanted this color scheme. Any admin can change the colors by editing [[MediaWiki:Monaco.css]]. There's instructions on how to do it here: [[w:c:help:Customizing Monaco|Customizing Monaco]]. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I mainly liked this because it fits with the color scheme of Teletraan itself. I'm not married to the idea, though. I also figured I'd speak up about it because Walky liked it, and he's off enjoying his ridiculously expensive Transformers collector's items at BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Ahh, right, well, I can see the logic, there, all right... I'm just not dying about the dark-coloured backgrounds, since it's a big visually jarring to have big white boxes of text in the middle of them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

: Seconding the hate. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:: This looks pretty hideous compared to MonoBook... and it's hard to navigate. Well, at least I can override it in preferences, but I think I'll be ignoring admin skin choices unless a custom one appears in the future.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 00:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:::I think I can try to get used to the new skin unless/until I find something inconvenient. Well, so far so good. At least the seach function is better. But the logo on the left side of the top, well... um, oh. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Fourthing the hate. The colors hurt my eyes. That, and the obscure character search images are gone. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'm afraid I don't much like it either. Fortunately, it was pretty easy to uncheck the "override" box on my preferences. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the new skin either. I don't get the menus at the side. "Featured characters" includes articles that I don't think have actually been Featured. G1 and Animated are listed, but no other franchises. And the menus are inconsistent. The G1 menu lists Autobot, Decepticon, and then a bunch of character pages, while the Animated menu lists Animated's toy line, cartoon, comic, and books articles. Why the difference? And what was the selection process for the "Embrace the Knowledge" menu?

By the way, in the middle of BotCon is probably the worst possible time for major changes like this to be made. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:The menus at the side are examples that I made up. You guys can change them to be anything you want, by editing [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]]. I'm sorry about the timing... We've been talking about this for maybe three weeks.

:Lots of things can be changed -- the colors, the menus, the logo. I'll put it back to the basic Sapphire for now, which is more like Monobook. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 05:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Not a fan of the skin, either. Losing the brown and yellow from earlier was a step up, but it still doesn't quite work. The extra crap on the side feels ''bigger'' now, so the actual articles feel ''smaller''. And those blamed automatic pulldown menus keep getting in the way everytime I move my cursor to or from the Search box. Annoying. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'm a little unclear- you say Monaco is the new Wikia standard skin. No one likes it. But we can override the style in our preferences to set it back to Monobook.
:So does TT1 have the ''option'' of deciding to switch back to Monobook if that's what the consensus decides? Danny is saying they are switching Memory Alpha Monaco and "at a certain point, pretty much every Wikia wiki is going to end up on Monaco." So is this something we get to decide for ourselves, or will Monaco be forced on us even if we don't want it? -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 18:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::What I find interesting on the MΑ example is that Toughpigs said, and I quote:
:::''Actually, they're working on switching over to the Monaco skin on Memory Alpha too''
::Now, who are "they"? Because I've just looked at MΑ - and in the designated [[MemoryAlpha:Forum:Monaco skin|forum on the matter]], one Wikia staff member (who has no main namespace edits on MΑ in the past three years) is the only user pushing for it. Only two other users have (briefly) commented - one admin who's strongly against it because of the top ad banner, and one other user who dittoed that. The only other place it is mentioned is on [[MemoryAlpha:Portal talk:Main#Monaco skin|their main page talk]], where one "[[Wikia:Wikia Helper Group|Wikia Helper Group]]" member (who has no MΑ edits on any other matter, main namespace or otherwise) shilled it - and in response, got a reply from one user that they were confused, and another user that they preferred Monobook. Unless there's some hidden forum somewhere, there's no consensus from MΑ that they want to switch.

::If Toughpigs's line is intended to say there's a push ''from'' MΑ as a "do you want T1 to be left out", it's, well, draw your own conclusions. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been vague about what the future holds, because I don't know. Right now, the community does have the option to switch the site back to Monobook, if that's what you decide.

However, at some point in the future, Wikia may need to switch everybody over to Monaco. We need to figure out how to get more advertisers to buy ads on Wikia. We're exploring a lot of different possibilities right now, so I can't predict how that's going to go yet. But we may find that it hurts us to have skins with completely different ad sizes all over the site. Companies don't want to advertise on sites that have a leaderboard on some pages and a skyscraper on others.

Right now, we're able to offer a lot of flexibility with the skins, and we're not forcing a change on any community. But if you think about it, no other (sane) website does that. Ad-supported websites have a format, and everything on the site is in that format.

I know that the obvious response to the ad talk is "that's your problem", but it's actually everybody's problem. Wikia offers free hosting to communities like this one because we're advertiser-supported. But the ad market is changing -- and if we don't keep up, then we go out of business, and we can't host wikis anymore.

Anyway, we're not anywhere near a problem at the moment. Wikia is fine, and if the community decides to switch back to Monobook, then that's fine. But it will be easier in the long run if folks give Monaco a chance, and see if we can make it work the way that you want it to work.

Meanwhile, I can address a couple of the concerns that people have posted about. First up: The size of the content area. Xaaron says that the crap on the side feels bigger, so the content area feels smaller. I took screenshots of the same page using both Monaco and Monobook, at the same browser size and screen resolution.

<gallery>
Image:Megatron-monaco.jpg|Monaco
Image:Megatron-monobook.jpg|Monobook
</gallery>

You can see from those pictures that Monaco gives you a wider content area. The first two paragraphs take up 16 lines in Monobook. On Monaco, it takes up 13 lines.

The number of logins has gone up just in the last few days. On April 26-27, 41 people logged in to the site (20.5 per day). From March 1-31, there were 381 logins (12.3 per day). This may be because of the interest generated at BotCon, but it also seems like being at BotCon over the weekend kept people away from the website. The increase in logins is consistent with what we've seen on other sites -- Monaco makes logging in more visible to new users.

On the sidebar over the last couple days, these are the most clicked on items:

# Transformers Animated (cartoon): 295 clicks
# Murdered puppy: 192 clicks
# That big green, fire-snortin' lizard: 168 clicks
# Transformers Animated (toy line): 131
# Autobot: 111
# Optimus Minor: 108
# More featured characters: 83
# Optimus Prime: 76
# Gas Skunk: 74
# Airazor (BW): 72

Pageviews for April 26-27 are up 21% over the average from the previous 30 days. That may be because of the interest around BotCon and the new episodes, but it might also be because the sidebar is helping new readers find articles that they're interested in, and because the pages load faster with Monaco. In any event, it doesn't seem like Monaco is chasing people away. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:It could also be because existing users have been giving the new skin a test drive. Anyway, couple of things about the skin that I'm wondering. First, the Teletraan 1 image in the upper left corner is now tiny with ugly, empty whitespace on three sides. Can it be enlarged? Second, can the recently-added neat little search box images be included in the new skin? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::The logo can be changed by uploading a new image to [[:Image:Wiki_wide.png]].

::The search box images are a neat idea, but I'm confused about why they're attached to search. They don't take you to a search page. They're basically a random featured-article generator. If you want, I can talk to the designer here about creating a randomized featured-article widget for the sidebar. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Basic test image for the top left:

[[Image:TFfactions.png|266x75px]]

- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:I've got some ideas for the masthead. I'll 'shop something up when I get home from work.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::My proposal:
::[[Image:Teletraan masthead.png]]
::Whaddaya think?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That one is beautiful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Look nice for Rosi's. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 02:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ooo, rock me, Amadeus. Verra nice. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::That is perfect, Rosicrucian. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::That is lovely. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 04:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== Anonymous edits ==

Lately, I've been looking at wikis that have decided to turn off anonymous edits, and have everybody log in before contributing to the wiki. The idea is that having everybody log in builds a stronger sense of community, because you always have a name to associate with an edit, rather than a random string of numbers. It's easier to talk to people who have names. It also gives you more control over vandalism, since you can recognize potential vandals more easily.

Some people don't like the idea, because they're worried that logging in is a barrier to entry -- if you have to log in to edit, then you won't bother, and you'll go away. Looking at the wikis that require login, that doesn't seem to be true. [[w:c:muppet|Muppet Wiki]] turned off anon edits last April, and the number of active editors has actually gone up. Some of our most active wikis require login -- [[w:c:wowwiki|World of Warcraft]], [[w:c:ffxi|FFXIclopedia]], [[w:c:tibia|Tibia Wiki]] and [[w:c:marveldatabase|Marvel Database]]. (WoW and FFXI actually require a confirmed e-mail address before you can edit.)

So I've been talking to folks about this, and we've decided to allow wiki communities to turn off anonymous edits if they want to. There are a lot of anonymous editors here, so I'm wondering what you guys think about it. Would it be helpful to require login for everybody?

Obviously, that's a big community decision... I just want to throw out the possibility, and see what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

:I strongly oppose disabling anonymous edits! (I also oppose sweeping changes performed over botcon, and unilaterally re-skining the site when the community can argue for weeks or month about proposed style changes to individual ''templates'' without reaching a consensus-- but if you're willing to ignore the needs of registered users while making such 'big community decisions,' why would you listen to anon users?) -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 08:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, let's get an opposing viewpoint here. Why are you, 75.168.112.43, unwilling to get an account? [[User:JW|JW]] 11:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::You assume I don't have an account.
:::I strongly oppose disabling anonymous edits because;
::::# It puts up a gateway that discourages first time users. Not a tall gateway- but a gateway nonetheless. Even if it only turns back 30% of new editors, that's 30% of people who could potentially become productive members of the community we're turning away out of hand.
::::# Equally important to the new users are the 'casual fixers', people who will /never/ become regulars on this wiki but, while clicking around, notice a link leading to '''Megatron''' instead of '''Megatron (G1)'''. If they have to register to make that simple fix? 9 times out of 10 that kind of fix will not get done.
::::# The problem 'disabling anonymous edits' seeks to fix- trolls- will not be solved. We already have trolls who register for accounts-- right now we don't even require an e-mail address. So ''next'' to combat Troll,s we'll require all accounts to have e-mail addresses. Then we'll require those e-mails be ''verified'', then maybe we'll set up a system where new users have to be ''approved'' like so many online communities before they can use their account. IP Tracking! Requiring Persistent Cookies! Each and ''any'' of these steps makes the online experience just a little bit more unpleasant for the user (and each hoop to jump throuhg makes new users just a little disinclined to join) but none of them actually stops trolls! Clear your cache, sign up for a yahoo account and you're up and running again. The trolls that regularly bother TT1 have already demonstrated they are willing to go to these lengths to evade bans. I am opposed to any measure that would punish the general body of users (registered and non) to deal with trolls. I am '''strongly''' opposed to any measure that would punish users and '''not''' deal with trolls, which is what this promises to do.

::::And seriously- while I'm tickled to death to know that the 'wikia community developer' has been attracted to communities that place restrictions on their users, I'm not thrilled to see someone who's not part of the community lobbying that we become more insular. I think changing TT1 to a UI that's different from Wikipedia makes the site harder to use (both for new users, and for users who make contributions to multiple wikis) is an objectively bad decision that was made with little discussion because 'it looks better.' And I really dislike that this was done while everyone was gone at Botcon and it was impossible to form a quorum for proper discussion. Monorail guy dances into town and starts making global changes that he thinks 'make more sense' without understanding that [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Megatron_Rising_-_Part_2&action=history they were that way for a reason], and his whims would require massive secondary cleanup effort to enact. I don't think someone who's not a participating member of this community should be initiating that kind of change, or throwing his weight behind them for them while 'polling for consensus. On a more fundamental level- I'm suspicious about external voices telling us how we should be running this wiki, because sooner or later they're gong to tell us The Funny Should Go.
::::I feel the burden of proof is on the other side here-- show that there will be a concrete and measurable improvement to the wiki by disabling anonymous edits that will NOT place an unnecessary burden on users. -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 12:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::''"You assume I don't have an account."'' Well, then, please tell us why you aren't willing to use it. I'm truly curious. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::More to the point, the IP address 75.168.112.43 has only made 10 contributions to this wiki, of which only 4 are of actual substance. Your comments will carry more weight if you tell us which long-established editor you in fact ''are.'' Otherwise, ''you<nowiki>'</nowiki>re'' the "external voice telling us how we should be running this wiki". [[User:JW|JW]] 13:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::I oppose to disable anonymous edit, too. I was once a anonymous user . If the anonymous edit is disabled, that would mean we close the door for many potential users-to-be. Though I hate anonymous vandalizing, which is really a problem. But any bad anonymous user can get an account to vandalize, too. ''Urgh''.--[[User:TX55|TX55]] 13:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The Funny Should Definitely Not Go. The reason why I've been hanging out on this wiki lately is because I like it -- specifically, because I like the Funny. I don't want to annoy people or screw stuff up; I'm just trying to help out in ways that I know how to help.

I didn't unilaterally change the skin... If you look above, the conversation about the skin started on April 7th. On Thursday, I asked if there were any more comments before I switched it over. The only response was from ItsWalky, who indicated that it would be okay. I've been keeping an eye on the stats -- the number of edits, registrations and pageviews have all gone up since the wiki switched to Monaco. (Saturday was the highest single day for registrations on the wiki since January.)

As I said, anonymous edits is totally a community decision. I just wanted to let you know that it's an option if the community wants it. It's a long-term discussion, and I don't have an interest in pushing it one way or the other. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 14:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:I would be against restricting edits to registered members. This wiki already has a reputation in the Transformers community as alledgedly being the playground for a very specific group of fans. Restricting edits will only further this perception. But more importantly:

:*I tend to agree that if one has no intention of making significant edits, but very occassionally fixes minor mistakes that one sees, then one shouldn't be forced to register to do so.

:*Some of us would prefer not to login while accessing the wiki at school or at work. Yeah, we have our reasons.

:*Chris McFeely, one of our staff members, sometimes has trouble logging onto the wiki when he's not at home, so if we restrict edits to logged-in users, he can't make any contributions if he happens to have free time while out and about.

:*Good anonymous editors sometimes eventually become registered members if they find they enjoy making the edits and would to participate in the little community we have.

:*Trolls and vandals who go to the effort of being repeat offenders will not be scared off by a registration process. I think we'll find that these people have ''alot'' of free time on their hands. Even more than I do!

:--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'd be more willing to believe that the increase in edits on Saturday was due to the new skin if Saturday didn't happen to be the day most of the BotCon panels were held. Those give us a lot of new information that needs to be added to the wiki. Plus, two (or three) new episodes were shown that morning: Return of the Headmaster in the US, Mission Accomplished in Canada, and Collect and Save at Botcon. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::No kidding. You could've changed the site to pink-and-purple polka dots, and traffic still would've increased this weekend, with everyone fighting to be the first to add all the new scraps of information from the convention. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

==Image overlap==
[[image:Templateximage.JPG|thumb|I'm ugly]]
Umm, did this overlap happen before the new skin? If so, I never noticed it. If not, then why is it changing what goes on inside the content part of the site, not just the menus and adds and umm, everything that I can't edit as an anon? [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 04:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:We're trying to figure it out over on [[User Talk:Toughpigs]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 04:08, 29 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Pat Lee

2008-03-11T05:28:25Z

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Kudos on the disambiguation gag. :D --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

it says he's a Canadian artists, wouldn't the slang abbreviation "Can artist" be more effective? btw that quote was found by me I am great--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 02:37, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

I missed that business. What's the full story with Alex Milne? --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 02:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

:[http://www.comicbookresources.com/columns/index.cgi?column=litg&article=2581] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
::Hey, shouldn't we have this LITG article "External links"ed from both Pat & Alex's pages? -- M Sipher

At TFcon 2007, Alex vented his heavy distaste for Pat Lee, even so much so that if they ever met again..... he then trailed off at that point (it was during the artist panel), not a happy camper thanks to the "SUPASTAR!" [[User:ProtomanXRED|ProtomanXRED]]
==Cartoon before toys?==

Can anyone confirm the "He believes that the Transformers cartoon was so amazing that it was only a matter of time before the toys were made" line? It was added by an anonymous user, so I'm tempted to delete it, but I ''want'' it to be true. So... reference? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:01, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:I... want to say it was a pre-DW-gets-the-license interview. We should most ''definitely'' source it on this page once we track it down. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::There's discussion of it on ATT from March 2001, but not an actual link to the interview. Definitely makes reference to the "cartoons first, matter-of-time" quote. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/search?group=alt.toys.transformers&q=Pat+Lee+matter+of+time+toys --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 20:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Which really shows the reason why Dreamwave continuity was as animation-centric as it was.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

== "serfdom" ==

I've seen on a few pages when Pat Lee is mentionned the term "serfdom" is inserted... what does it mean, exactly? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
:In this context, his notion that people should keep working for him merely on the ''promise'' that someday he'll pay them. Maybe.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 19:55, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

== Kudos ==

1000% more informative now, Nevermore. Damned good job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 20:11, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hell, I'd nominate this for a featured article now. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

==Pictures==
I think we need more pictures in this article, if only to break up the text abit. How about funny photos of Lee or particularly shoddy Transformers art (assuming he drew it)? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, maybe a few of Transformers with the gigantic feet? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 14:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::I added in the extremely short-bus robot that was his design for the [[Fallen]] before Wildman cleaned it up.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:I think the number of images is okay right now... I wouldn't want to see more than 2-3 put in at this point. It would start getting cluttered. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

==Andy Wildman==
What's the source for the altering of his art? We've, like, seen his pencils. They don't look any different. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
: I think he meant that Wildman made the Fallen look better than Lee's original concept. I can agree with that statement. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, but Walky is instead asking about the allegation that the inkers changed Wildman's art in The Dark Ages.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::: would this be an appropriate reference? [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/archive/index.php/t-108053.html] --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 17:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: I don't see anything that makes a good case. There's some questions asked that state the alteration as a given, and when Matt Moylan is pressed about it, he doesn't recall such a thing. I think this is just a run-away rumor based on Wildman choosing to draw his TF hands like Figueroa's. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

==Quotable==
Okay, I don't know if it was a mistake or a joke, but the "they much oftener succeed thrugh failures" quote isn't actually Pat Lee's originally. A google search turned up several attributions to Samuel Smiles. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 22:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==Recent activities section?==
In light of recent pictures of Lee drawing on somebody's apartment wall, should we do some kind of 'Pat Lee's recent activities' section? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:53, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'd say not. It's fan-art. Why do we need to mention it? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Prowl (Animated)

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{{disambig3|Prowl}}
:''Prowl is an Autobot in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''
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[[Image: AniProwlPromoModel.jpg|thumb|250px|right|True warriors must move like water. '''NINJA''' water.]]
Some people are team players, and some...well, aren't. '''Prowl''' falls into the latter category. A loner at heart, he has little interest in teamwork, something [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] finds extremely frustrating.

Prowl is an adept and agile one-on-one fighter who strikes swiftly and unseen with throwing stars and swords, and he feels cooperation with the [[Bumblebee (Animated)|loud]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|unsubtle]] Autobots around him would cramp his style. He uses an array of throwing weapons, such as cutting discs, that he can throw with high accuracy. While useful as thrown projectiles, these weapons tend to be far more damaging at close range and will occasionally bounce off their target with little damage if thrown from too great a distance. He's the only [[Sideswipe (G1)|Autobot with a jetpack]], granting him limited flight. Despite Prowl's battle prowess, this unwillingness to work with his teammates causes problems.

Still, he's not without his redeeming features. He has a deep, deep fascination with organic lifeforms. His quarters on [[Earth]] is missing most of its ceiling, allowing him a permanent window into nature. In fact, he seems to have a deeper appreciation of his new surroundings than the [[human]]s who grew up with them. The phrase "stop and smell the roses" is a life truth for Prowl, and he can spend hours motionless, [[Beachcomber (G1)|watching the world play out around him]].

Interestingly, he is drawn considerably larger, or at least taller, than Bumblebee, [[Size changing|despite the fact that his vehicle mode is much smaller]].

{{quote|Stillness...then ''strike''.|Prowl getting past motion detectors|"[[Home Is Where the Spark Is]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Transformers: Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor: [[Jeff Bennett]] (US), ? (Japan)''
Prowl showed a lack of interest in both teamwork (as a loner type) and in the motivational (kinda long-winded) speeches of [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]]. He did not obey orders at first and learned of the consequences firsthand as he was nearly killed by a nanite-enhanced cockroach. After his revival at the hands of [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] and her [[All Spark (Animated)|All Spark-]]empowered [[Sari Sumdac's key|key]], he showed that he had become a valuable team player when he headed out with Bumblebee and Sari to save [[Isaac Sumdac|Professor Sumdac]] and [[Captain Fanzone]] from [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

Later, Prowl was watching a cat stalk a bird. He found it fascinating, but was aggravated when he was interrupted by human fans. Returning to base, he hid out in his Japanese-themed room, only to be interrupted by Prime and Bumblebee. Even worse, Sari threw a slumber party, pushing Prowl to the edge by the commotion. Ironically, when [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] took over the factory, Prowl was able to show Bumblebee the value of stillness in battle, something the pair would work on later in a game of Twister™. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}

In an attempt to get [[Bulkhead (Animated)]] to be less bumbling and destructive, he tried to teach his comrade how to move with ninja-like grace as he did. It... did not go well. Bulkhead's effectiveness in battle was undermined until Prowl realized Bulkhead's approach had its place and encouraged him to "do what you do." He also sensed [[spark]]s within the [[Dinobots (Animated)|Dinobots]] and, unwilling to let them be destroyed, secretly hid them on a small island before they were melted down. As he explained to Bulkhead, "Just because something's big and lumbering and destructive, doesn't mean you give up on it." {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

==Toys==
===Transformers Animated===
*'''Prowl''' (Deluxe, 2008)

: Prowl transforms into a police motorcycle of made-up model. His removable hubcaps turn into three-bladed shuriken. He comes with a traffic light with a chain attached to it, which functions as a weapon.

[[Category: Animated characters]]
[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Ninjas]]<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:FFN

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==Captions==
Not to try and start a fight or anything, but who made you the arbiter of what makes a "good" caption or not? If you don't have a better caption to put there, then do you really need to edit it out? If you have something better, go ahead and edit it in, but there's was it really necassary to remove all of my changes?

I mean, I though the "Amazing what 23 years will do to ones physique" one was pretty clever, myself.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 09:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
: Because I say so and I am a jerk! *puts on a crown and purple cloak of royalty*. Seriously, that one you quoted was okay, I accidently pruned that one, but I wasn't hot on some of the others. In my opinion, captions should be thought about, and we shouldn't just caption a pic for the sake of having a caption or doing a joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

==Movie toy information==
We should not put information about leaked/stolen/whatever test shots on the wiki. It's been an unspoken rule since, well, forever, but I guess we need to put it in writing somewhere. It's just not cool. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
: Actually, we have that "Coming Soon" tag made SPECIFICALLY for this (well, and Fan Club stuff). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:: What I find amusing is that I merely modified (slightly) the Energon Arcee toy description. Eh. *Shrugs shoulders* Whatever. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::: You also wrote the entire toy write-up for Blackout's Voyager toy and also recently wrote a description of Optimus Prime's 3" titanium figurine. You seem to be writing the bulk of the movie toy writeups. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Yep, I wrote/expanded half or more of the toy articles on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: That's cool, and more than appreciated, but in the future, let's wait until we have more than test shots to do so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Aren't you absolutely '''amazed''' at how I was able to deduce the transformation sequence and gimmick of toys I've never seen in person? My engineering schooling did pay off! :-O --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

You're kind of missing the point. It's the OFFICIALNESS of the information and the slippery slope of putting in stuff that's not officially announced. We don't want this wiki to become yet another goddamn Internet Rumor Dumping Ground. See: [[Help:Coming_soon]] --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:No, I'm not missing the point. I'm just dancing around it like the salsa. Ole! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
How many times do we have to remind you, FFN? No stolen information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, that was TX55. Whoops, I misread the history. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Bad Sipher! Bad ratting out the wrong guy to me! Sorry, FFN. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

==Profile pics==
I don't think we're adhering to "fair use" if every single page on the wiki uses art scanned from the DW MTMTE books. Try to reel it in some! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
: Nah, I won't be doing that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:: But you are doing it! It's why I brought it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
::You ''might'' wanna clarify exactly ''what'' it is you won't be doing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::It was a joke, as in "Nah, I won't be doing what you just asked me to do." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a thought - what is the limit on the usage of pictures ultimately owned by Hasbro? Dreamwave as a company no longer exists. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, IDW plans to publish the MTMTE books, so I think we have to also take that into consideration. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::Oh well, at least I gave pics to articles that didn't originally have pics/wrong models by Dery/crappy G1 box art. I'll stop for... awhile *mysterious* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I like G1 boxart. Especially Omega Supreme's. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==Underscores==
You don't need to put underscores in links. The format is just <nowiki>[[something (whatever)|something]]</nowiki>, not <nowiki>[[something_(whatever)|something]]</nowiki>. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 17:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright thanks, though I might forget and put them anyway, occasionally. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

== Miranda II ==

And there I thought someone would complain about bashing, or something. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure Energon is fair game. You know, like NAMbLA. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah, when you ruin [[Demolishor|a perfectly good, interesting character]] by resurrecting him as a gorilla-like dump truck who serves only as slapstick comic relief (and not even good comic relief), you deserve everything you get, stupid Takara Marketing and WE'VE! *shakes fist of fanboy fury* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::: Man. Demolishor's article needs, like, made not crap. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to do so. I get too fanboyish for this wiki whenever I write about stuff I like (like Armada Starscream). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

==Formatting==
It's not all that messy-looking if the main image juts into fiction section some of the time. I find it's a case-by-case scenario. [[Miranda II]] looked fine with the jut, but not so much to make it worth editing it back the other way. It's not a hard and fast rule, is what I guess I'm saying. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
: The problem is by having the main picture jut into the main text body, you have the text bunched up to one side, and it pushes the edit link into the middle of the screen. Frankly that looks chaotic.
::Not really. Not on that article, no. It just looked like text wrapped around an image. To me, it looked much cleaner the other way. See how subjective this is? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

:The way I see it, we should use it when the article has relatively few sub-sections (which leads to a smaller Contents menu), or when the main picture is relatively long (like a profile picture of a character). Or when using it doesn't create a huge gap between the introductory text/main pic, the contents menu and the main body of text in the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
::Can't you just... make the image smaller if this is such a problem? I find blank white space to be incredibly hideous, moreso than a misplaced edit link. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Depends on the picture itself. Some images deserve to be big, because they look great or because the focus would be hard to see. Misplaced links and pics into text reminds me of late 90s fanpages. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

== All those toypics you've uploaded ==

Toypics don't get a hastak tag unless they are offical images (say stock photos). Photos of objects (except scans or photos containing only printed material) are copyright of whoever took the picture. Hasbro holds just as much right to the copyright for a unoffical toypic as say, Sony owns the rights for a picture of my computer. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:The problem is some of those toy pics are scans out of some official publication, or some official picture that the fansite edited together. So I give copyright to Hasbro, but credit to the site, especially if I cannot find the original official pictures. Sometimes I forget to use fairuse on specifically fan-shot photographs. If it bothers you that much, feel free fix all the picture pages with fairuse.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== anonymous and minor edits ==

Just do you know, anonymous editors don't have a minor edit option. Dunno why, though.
:Odd - maybe its to spur us into suggesting them to register? :P --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Safeword debate ==
Hi there, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]] here. I appreciate that you think the link to the definition of "safeword" is a little much (although, frankly, I've seen some pretty risque stuff on this wiki anyway), and although I disagree I'm happy for the link to be removed. However, I think it is definitely an overreaction to change the caption; after all I added that specific image solely for the purpose of that joke. Without the link young kids won't get it and won't be "harmed", and those who do get it are alread in the know. However, rather than just unilaterally reverting it (sans link), I thought I'd give you the opportunity to discuss the matter further if you wish. If I don't hear from you back on my talk page in a few days, then I'll change it back.
Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:: Yeah, you're probably right about that; if it goes over their heads, let it. I'll change it back without the link. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::FFN, you mentioned that you changed the caption back to the clean joke because nobody refuted your point... The thing is, I haven't been able to find where you made your argument for its change in the first place. Not on Starscream's talk page, and not here... How can we refute your point if no one knows where it is? That being said, I personally agree with Pacifist Prime. It's no more offensive or risque than some of the other stuff on here (i.e. [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] or anything relating to [[Kiss Players]]), and without the link it's no longer harmful in the slightest. Besides, the new caption is pretty lame and practically screams, "I couldn't think of anything better than this." - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 06:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I was referring to my discussion with Walky over MP Starscream's incorrect F-15E colours, and I sorta reverted Walky's edit back to the original with modifications (with hooperx's Titanium 3" caption) to my original MP Starscream paragraph, with added notes about Starscream's other glaring inaccuracies. That's what I meant by 'nobody refuted my point'.
:::: At no point did I change the safeword caption, given that Pacifist Prime and I already resolved that, like, weeks ago, and I advised that to make the joke work, he didn't need to link the meaning for people, because '''A.''' The link to the meaning is abit inappropriate given our wiki's topic, and '''B.''' Its hitting people over the head with the joke. If the joke flies over people's heads, let it.
::::If you had checked the article history, or the Recent changes page, you'll see an anonymous user made the change to the caption. In any case, it wasn't me. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Ah, see, I saw your comment in the history that said something about reverting to a previous caption because no one refuted your point, and assumed this was what you were referring to. My apologies. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::: No worries. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== MP Megs importation to Australia. ==
Well, what can I say? I got mine (two of them, in fact: one for my buddy) from HobbyLinkJapan (scum) with no troubles. Customs didn't even open it. Maybe I was just lucky, but I suspect that those toyshops only got that response from the fuzz because they asked in the first place. In fact, they may very well have tipped them off and made it harder for everyone else to import them now. Who knows? Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: Um, hi. This is actually somewhat old news, as I haven't checked in for a week or so, but I respectfully suggest that you're overracting just a whisker. I was unaware that there had been further developments for other Australian fans importing the MP-05; as I've stated elsewhere I don't spend any time on discussion boards so I wouldn't know about any of that. If my original few lines on the subject (admittedly based solely on my personal experience of problem-free importation) is no longer representative of the majority, then I have no objection whatsoever to the text being revised.
: However, I think that your edit is a bit of an overlong rave and (at the risk of sounding more Seppocentric than is my wont) I have to say that I don't think Australia's situation really requires as much text as that concerning the States'. Furthermore, I think that your rebuttal "Eat '''that''', Australia" is particularly uneccessary. First of all it sounds like a rather mean-spirited bit of one-upmanship over a comment which, although I'll conceed ''was'' smug, was only meant in the kind of good humour that this site broadly embraces (such as its pervasive mockery of Japanese fiction). Your comment sounds quite barbed by comparison, in my opinion. But regardless of any issues of opinion it frankly doesn't make sense, because it is referring to a previous edit which no longer exists in the current text, so to any newcomer reading it the comment has no context. For this reason most of all I have taken it upon myself to remove that one line, but I have left your preceding paragraph untouched. However I urge you to reconsider its neccessity and respectfully suggest that you cut it down considerably.
: All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:: If you are so offended by the fact I made fun of Australia (and I suspect its abit of misplaced patriotism right after ANZAC day), then you shouldn't make fun of America, especially given our toy gun laws are even harsher. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Err... okay. I respectfully suggest that you're missing the point: I'm not offended, nor am I particularly patriotic. In fact, I'm a dual Austalian/American citizen, so your comments regarding my national identity are actually fairly irrelevant. And uncalled for. Don't you think personal remarks on this site are a bit untoward?
:::I just think that your edit gives the impression of being a bit personal, as though you were miffed about my original text, rather than containing material of particular relevance to other readers/users, especially your sardonic rebuttal. Again, my original crack was intended in good humour, so it seems that it is you who are the one getting offended. Perhaps this is not the case, and if so I apologise.
:::But regardless of that I still maintain that the content makes little sense. Please re-read my previous post for my reasons for this.
::: Ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::: Sorry mate. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: It's okay, I just don't understand what it is about my edits that seem to routinely rub you up the wrong way. I'm just trying to get into the spirit of the site and its refreshingly relaxed attitude compared to other uptight wikis like Wookieepedia. You seem to know a fair bit about Australia, and I'm certainly not out to offend anyone, but you seem to take exception to a fair bit of what I have to say. I don't really understand. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::: Dr. Fang says its because I'm high-strung. And I'm kind of an asshole. Sorry about that, chap. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Okay then, I guess. So, will you please consider trimming the Australian stuff on the MP-05? I just honestly doubt other people need to know so much about gun laws. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

== Admin ==
*Excuse me I'm looking for a admin here, do you know where I can find one?[[User:Troyb|Troyb]][[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]][[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 16:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

: Hi, unfortunately, I believe they're all at [[BotCon]] right now. Specifically they probably just left the Hasbro product panel. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

*Grr because I'm here from the new Transfanon wiki, were knida your sister wiki or whatever and I'm a buericrate there so I need someone to tell others about it.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]][[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]][[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 18:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

::From the community portal - The admins for this Wiki are [[User:ItsWalky]] and [[User:Suki Brits]]. Just leave them a message and they'll get back sooner or later. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

==Screencaps==

Where'd you download the movie? You seem to have uploaded some pretty high quality images of the movie that haven't appeared in any of the trailers

:They're all from the trailers and tv spots (highres, low res ect). For instance, the pic of Figueroa reacting to Sgt. Donnelly is from 'Vibration', released around May 22nd. Prime transforming in Mission City and the pics of Bumblebee standing around are from 'Freakout' (June 15). Prime jumping on/towards Megatron, Ironhide transforming and shooting his cannons in a somersault are from the Superherohype exclusive trailer that was also played during an NBA playoff or something on June 24. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Animated toy pictures==

Well, the official pictures of the toy wont come out for a LOOOOONG time, so untill then, I'm uploading some bad, blurry ones, because they STILL better than nothing. Tried to give a long description of Lockdown, but somebody just deleted it easly. Also, almost all pictures at the animated ones are blurry and in weird angles, so not mines are the first. And I made them with Paint, not Powerpoint.

:That still doesn't mean we just dump any pics onto this wiki. The series and the toyline won't be out for a long time, so no real reason to have a bunch of pictures now, given there is relatively little information about the series itself.

:Powerpoint as in, Hasbro's powerpoint presentation at SDCC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Actually, we know pretty mutch about the series and the toys, but you guys don't let any info of it to be putten on, because they're "leaked". So that's it. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 21:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Any information that isn't official released about a project that is coming soon does not belong here because this wiki (usually) follows what is official, not what is unconfirmed. If you want rumour-mongering, go to the wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
Why do you move the stub tags to the top of pages? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:I feel that Articles that need some filling out should say 'HEY! This article really needs work!' in an obvious manner. Its one of the things other wikis do that I think we should emulate, if only to get people (either registered or unregistered) to finish off these articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::If what needed filling out was easy and simple to do, maybe, but filling some stubs would take weeks of solid work, so having a giant skyscraper of tags at the top of several articles seems excessively frustrating. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I forgot most of you guys run at lower resolution (judging by screencaps), so I misjudged how bad the messageboxes would be. Sorry man. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Vector Sigma==
[[User:Lordhighannoyingstarscream|Lordhighannoyingstarscream]] 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I am a new user here and I am also sorry for the caption thing, but i just discovered that someone took away all the humourous captions and sarcasm in [[Vector Sigma]]'s info page. he is a somwhat important character so I think somebody should look into that. I also had an idea for the [[Unicron trilogy]] so if yoyu wanna fix anything i put a basic theme there as well as some content and images.
:As you may or may not (probably not, I'm guessing) have read, we ''do'' use serious captions on occasion, when there's a need to convey information that isn't obvious from the text. Vector Sigma's article is one such instance. Please go to [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption|this page]] and read carefully. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==Bonecrusher quote==
Since Bonecrusher doesn't speak in the film, could you put an attribution for the quote you added to the top of his page? I'm sure I'm not the only one who will wonder where he said it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
: Sorry, I'm writing up his Target comic #2 appearance now for that, but it would help if you can respond to the talk page question on the Transformers (2007) page regarding what we should refer to the comics as, so I can actually reference it in the quote, among other things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
::Bonecrusher has only 2 lines in 'Ghosts,' and this is neither. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, like I said, its from the new Target-exclusive comic on their robovision site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==

Why don't I suggest on creating a page about [[Popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes]]? If the Earth and Beast gets a popular vehicle alternate modes page so does Cybertron.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 10:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC))
:Because with Earth vehicles there are identifiable models and designs that are recognisable. With Cybertronian vehicles they are 'generic futuristic car/truck/plane/spaceship'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
More reasons why to create it. You are an awesome person, Megatron often turns into mostly a Cybertronian vehicle, Earth Vehicle modes page has a rule like 3 toy models and finally it is better that way. Plus Transformers Animated will have one heck of alot of Autobots and Decepticons that turn into Cybertronian vehicles.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 10:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC))

== Screencap requests ==
Hey there, if you're in a screen-cappin' mood, there's a few shots we could really use for the cartoon's main page. Specifically:
* The Decepticons' undersea HQ
* The space bridge receiver ring -- maybe while it's firing its rays into the clouds or while the rocks and stuff are floating up.
* Season 1 opening credits -- maybe Prime & co while they're on that giant flying Autobot symbol, and/or the TF logo flying at the viewer.
* I'd like to see a higher-quality cap of the standard view of Cybertron. That's a shot which deserves a high-res view, IMO.
* I'm trying to think of a really iconic scene/moment from Season 3, but drawing a blank.
If you got the time and inclination, thanks! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll see what I can do. I only picked up Madman's set on sunday, and I'm currently working through the G1 episodes chronologically, or characters who really needed cartoon image representation.

:I'm not sure about the Season 1 opening credits - by the time we see Prime and co, they are either too indistinct to make out in a wide view, and the camera is already focusing entirely on Prime when they are clear enough for the viewer to see. I'll see what I can do, but I'll have to go through the episodes because the Madman sets use the broadcast masters, so some episodes are almost as clean and colourful as Rhino's, but others aren't so good. So this means trawling through episodes to find good, clean images of more generic shots like the intro or often-seen sequences such as the spacebridge. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

::Fair enough. No hurry. The "The Transformers" logo from the opening credits might be fine too, if the Autobot symbol thing isn't clear; it's got a pretty distinct look IIRC.
::And, crap. For a second there you got my hopes up that there might be a flawless DVD release of G1... but it sounds like they have Rhino's screwy sound effects. Ah well! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it certainly has the best packaging and presentation of any available set now - the outer cardboard box even has a bio panel detailing the features and a fake tech spec meter rating the 'Story', 'Action, 'Features' and 'Appeal'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==Image Editing==
A while back, you brought up the grid-backgrounds on the CG Galaxy Force character images. Those are probably simple enough (since they're on a white BG already) that it won't take me a lot of time to do them, but in general I don't know what Photoshop trickier goes into quickly cleaning images... I usually just use the Eraser tool, which, with my tendency to be distracted, can wind up taking several hours. Is there some easier way to get a white background?

(On that topic, uh, y'think you can take a stab at [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/tfscans/TheBattleStars01.jpg these]?) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Depending on the quality of the image (lack of jpeg artefacts and the resolution), how busy the background image is and if the background somehow intersects with the image you want to preserve or not, one of the easiest ways I've found is to simply use the magic wand to cut out the background elements. In the end, I also the eraser, and yeah, it take a bloody long time. Does Walky know? I would assume he's more skilled with Photoshop than I.

: Who do we need out of that image? Grandus, I assume? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::I uploaded the Grandus image on his [[Grandus|page]]. Can you fill out the image's details? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! Grandus was one of them, yeah, but also Sixliner... hm. Do you think we could use that painted Grandus In Base Mode art as his main pic, with the one you edited in the main body, or vice versa? We'd drop the three-Battlestar picture from his article, which would still be in the main Battlestar article. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==Short image file names==

I give them short titles, because they're far from perfect, and only temporaly. If they surely get's changed, I just short it so the next pic uploader don't get into trouble with a similar picture description. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 11:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sky Lynx and It's-A-Bird-Plane-Lynx Caption ==

''That caption doesn't really work.''

The caption I added was A) descriptive of the pic (Sky Lynx is "up in the sky"), B) descriptive of the character (he is a (dino)bird, a (space)plane, and a lynx), and C) adequately captures the ego and magnificence of the character by equating him with Superman. So, please elaborate on your objection. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think it's very funny. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well, we'll have to disagree about that. Regardless, the first rule of this wiki (in 100px text on [[Talk:Main Page]]) is "The funny stays." Removing a caption and replacing it with ''nothing'' is a violation of both the letter and spirit of that rule. I'll restore the caption. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Perhaps you should hold your horses. I don't know if you noticed, but I've been around for quite awhile so I am aware of the rules. Secondly, I blanked the caption to give you or somebody else the chance of coming up with a new caption. Thirdly, dude, I uploaded that screenshot. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Regarding your second point, if someone replaces the caption with something that is generally agreed to be funnier, I won't have a problem with it. Replacing it with ''nothing'' is not appropriate.
::::Your third point is your personal guideline, but not wiki policy. I don't think it would be workable as a general policy.
::::As to your first point, I'll defer to admins, but otherwise I don't grant that seniority means one has the only valid sense of humor.
::::I think that the contributions I have made thus far to this wiki entitle me to put reasonably-clever captions on entirely-uncaptioned pics and to be secure that they won't be arbitrarily blanked without discussion. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The caption rule on this wiki states that the uploader of an image gets to caption it, blah blah humour as a reward for doing the work blah. From what I can tell, unless the caption violates a rule itself (such as being vulgar) or there is some consensus or agreement reached with the uploader, the caption stays. I am generally not good at captions myself, so I normally leave them blank for others to fill in, but is it not unfair that I have to simply 'deal' with whatever caption is applied to an image I uploaded if I do not like said caption? Surely as the person who either tracked down an image or sat through episodes to find the exact frame to capture, I should have some sort of say in the matter. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::''The caption rule on this wiki states that the uploader of an image gets to caption''
::::::Clearly, I must have missed this rule. Where is it stated?
::::::''[isn't it] unfair that I have to simply 'deal' with whatever caption is applied [...]?''
::::::Well, that gets into tricky territory. The idea that people "own" parts of a wiki, and have veto power over those parts, is fraught with peril. I have no ''major'' problem with someone uploading an image, adding a caption at the time, and having a reasonable expectation that their caption be allowed to stand, due to "ownership rights". In this case, however, my caption had already been there for weeks before you removed it. There should be some sort of statute of limitations, I think. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::[[Transformers Wiki:Caption|I believe this is the extent of our captioning policy.]] Though it mostly applies to random IP persons and newbies who either want to change things or remove all traces of humour.
:::::::I didn't mean I have some kind of legal right to do so, I might in the sense of fairness, if people get to caption their images in the first place when they upload it based upon what they think is funny, I should be able to change or ask for a 'better' caption if I don't in the first place. But anyway, I'll just grow up and learn to deal with it. Now let's all forget our troubles with a '''''big bowl of strawberry ice cream'''''! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you for the link to the captioning policy. Alas, I think it damns us both equally.
::::::::On the other hand, let it never be said that I can't be distracted by ice cream. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:How was it not funny? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think it fit well enough with the arrogance of the article, at a glance it seemed to be more specific to the heroic image of Sky Lynx blasting off than his personality. But not to worry, I won't question anybody's captions of images I upload. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==BW Rampage Toypic==
Um... Transformer: Generations doesn't cover Beast Wars at all, so that Rampage picture can't be from it. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Goddammit. Wait, actually it looks like a Hasbro stock photo. Even BETTER. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

==Comic arrangement==
Well, I mostly did it because I thought the character list looked ugly at the top of articles. If you don't care for it, feel free to move it back to the normal placement. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm mostly concerned about the fact we seem to agree on a format or standard..... then somebody changes their mind, so the wiki ends up looking really disorganised. One only needs to look at the episode articles and you'll see what I mean. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Perhaps style guide pages for both would would help consistency. I'll... go and make them, suppose. So discussion can be centralized. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::We've already decided on the cartoon article style, and the help page lists [[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]] as the example. However, the comic example is one of the older Marvel G1 styles, which is perfectly servicable, but just lacks the character box. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

==Image formats==
[[User talk:Sntint|Actually]], what should it read? My knowledge of image format differences is limited; the impression I'm getting from Wikipedia is that a high-quality JPEG might still display legible text and have a smaller filesize than a PNG. Is this mistaken? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
:Generally speaking, we try to keep image files under 150KB, which I believe is the recommended maximum size the software on this wiki suggests, mostly in the interests of of saving server space and to reduce download times. At the lower end, PNG files tend to be several times larger in filesize than comparable jpegs of reasonable quality, yet aren't considerably more visually impressive. So, say, a screen shot at 640x480 jpeg may average 70-80KB, a PNG might be 200KB or more.
:However, we do allow the use of either high quality jpegs or PNGs when the file requires it, like the chart I mentioned. But for the sheer majority of images on the wiki, average quality jpegs suit us fine. I probably upload more pics than anybody else on the wiki, so I vaugley know what I'm talking about. ;) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
::Erm. I don't mean to imply you ''don't'' know what you're talking about; if I thought you didn't I wouldn't be asking you. :)
::But I don't see how that answers my question. Could a JPG's quality be increased such that a chart would be sufficiently legible, and also still have a smaller filesize than a PNG? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 17:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

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==Captions==
Not to try and start a fight or anything, but who made you the arbiter of what makes a "good" caption or not? If you don't have a better caption to put there, then do you really need to edit it out? If you have something better, go ahead and edit it in, but there's was it really necassary to remove all of my changes?

I mean, I though the "Amazing what 23 years will do to ones physique" one was pretty clever, myself.--[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 09:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
: Because I say so and I am a jerk! *puts on a crown and purple cloak of royalty*. Seriously, that one you quoted was okay, I accidently pruned that one, but I wasn't hot on some of the others. In my opinion, captions should be thought about, and we shouldn't just caption a pic for the sake of having a caption or doing a joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:27, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

==Movie toy information==
We should not put information about leaked/stolen/whatever test shots on the wiki. It's been an unspoken rule since, well, forever, but I guess we need to put it in writing somewhere. It's just not cool. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:08, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
: Actually, we have that "Coming Soon" tag made SPECIFICALLY for this (well, and Fan Club stuff). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

:: What I find amusing is that I merely modified (slightly) the Energon Arcee toy description. Eh. *Shrugs shoulders* Whatever. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:03, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::: You also wrote the entire toy write-up for Blackout's Voyager toy and also recently wrote a description of Optimus Prime's 3" titanium figurine. You seem to be writing the bulk of the movie toy writeups. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:34, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Yep, I wrote/expanded half or more of the toy articles on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:51, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: That's cool, and more than appreciated, but in the future, let's wait until we have more than test shots to do so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:53, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::: Aren't you absolutely '''amazed''' at how I was able to deduce the transformation sequence and gimmick of toys I've never seen in person? My engineering schooling did pay off! :-O --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

You're kind of missing the point. It's the OFFICIALNESS of the information and the slippery slope of putting in stuff that's not officially announced. We don't want this wiki to become yet another goddamn Internet Rumor Dumping Ground. See: [[Help:Coming_soon]] --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:54, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

:No, I'm not missing the point. I'm just dancing around it like the salsa. Ole! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:06, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
How many times do we have to remind you, FFN? No stolen information. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, that was TX55. Whoops, I misread the history. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Bad Sipher! Bad ratting out the wrong guy to me! Sorry, FFN. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

==Profile pics==
I don't think we're adhering to "fair use" if every single page on the wiki uses art scanned from the DW MTMTE books. Try to reel it in some! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
: Nah, I won't be doing that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:: But you are doing it! It's why I brought it up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
::You ''might'' wanna clarify exactly ''what'' it is you won't be doing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::It was a joke, as in "Nah, I won't be doing what you just asked me to do." --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
::::Just a thought - what is the limit on the usage of pictures ultimately owned by Hasbro? Dreamwave as a company no longer exists. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, IDW plans to publish the MTMTE books, so I think we have to also take that into consideration. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::Oh well, at least I gave pics to articles that didn't originally have pics/wrong models by Dery/crappy G1 box art. I'll stop for... awhile *mysterious* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I like G1 boxart. Especially Omega Supreme's. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==Underscores==
You don't need to put underscores in links. The format is just <nowiki>[[something (whatever)|something]]</nowiki>, not <nowiki>[[something_(whatever)|something]]</nowiki>. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 17:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright thanks, though I might forget and put them anyway, occasionally. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

== Miranda II ==

And there I thought someone would complain about bashing, or something. :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure Energon is fair game. You know, like NAMbLA. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:: Yeah, when you ruin [[Demolishor|a perfectly good, interesting character]] by resurrecting him as a gorilla-like dump truck who serves only as slapstick comic relief (and not even good comic relief), you deserve everything you get, stupid Takara Marketing and WE'VE! *shakes fist of fanboy fury* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::: Man. Demolishor's article needs, like, made not crap. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 20:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:::: Feel free to do so. I get too fanboyish for this wiki whenever I write about stuff I like (like Armada Starscream). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

==Formatting==
It's not all that messy-looking if the main image juts into fiction section some of the time. I find it's a case-by-case scenario. [[Miranda II]] looked fine with the jut, but not so much to make it worth editing it back the other way. It's not a hard and fast rule, is what I guess I'm saying. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
: The problem is by having the main picture jut into the main text body, you have the text bunched up to one side, and it pushes the edit link into the middle of the screen. Frankly that looks chaotic.
::Not really. Not on that article, no. It just looked like text wrapped around an image. To me, it looked much cleaner the other way. See how subjective this is? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

:The way I see it, we should use it when the article has relatively few sub-sections (which leads to a smaller Contents menu), or when the main picture is relatively long (like a profile picture of a character). Or when using it doesn't create a huge gap between the introductory text/main pic, the contents menu and the main body of text in the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
::Can't you just... make the image smaller if this is such a problem? I find blank white space to be incredibly hideous, moreso than a misplaced edit link. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 17:00, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Depends on the picture itself. Some images deserve to be big, because they look great or because the focus would be hard to see. Misplaced links and pics into text reminds me of late 90s fanpages. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

== All those toypics you've uploaded ==

Toypics don't get a hastak tag unless they are offical images (say stock photos). Photos of objects (except scans or photos containing only printed material) are copyright of whoever took the picture. Hasbro holds just as much right to the copyright for a unoffical toypic as say, Sony owns the rights for a picture of my computer. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

:The problem is some of those toy pics are scans out of some official publication, or some official picture that the fansite edited together. So I give copyright to Hasbro, but credit to the site, especially if I cannot find the original official pictures. Sometimes I forget to use fairuse on specifically fan-shot photographs. If it bothers you that much, feel free fix all the picture pages with fairuse.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:06, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

== anonymous and minor edits ==

Just do you know, anonymous editors don't have a minor edit option. Dunno why, though.
:Odd - maybe its to spur us into suggesting them to register? :P --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:55, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

== Safeword debate ==
Hi there, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]] here. I appreciate that you think the link to the definition of "safeword" is a little much (although, frankly, I've seen some pretty risque stuff on this wiki anyway), and although I disagree I'm happy for the link to be removed. However, I think it is definitely an overreaction to change the caption; after all I added that specific image solely for the purpose of that joke. Without the link young kids won't get it and won't be "harmed", and those who do get it are alread in the know. However, rather than just unilaterally reverting it (sans link), I thought I'd give you the opportunity to discuss the matter further if you wish. If I don't hear from you back on my talk page in a few days, then I'll change it back.
Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:: Yeah, you're probably right about that; if it goes over their heads, let it. I'll change it back without the link. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::FFN, you mentioned that you changed the caption back to the clean joke because nobody refuted your point... The thing is, I haven't been able to find where you made your argument for its change in the first place. Not on Starscream's talk page, and not here... How can we refute your point if no one knows where it is? That being said, I personally agree with Pacifist Prime. It's no more offensive or risque than some of the other stuff on here (i.e. [[Transformers Collectors' Club]] or anything relating to [[Kiss Players]]), and without the link it's no longer harmful in the slightest. Besides, the new caption is pretty lame and practically screams, "I couldn't think of anything better than this." - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 06:55, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I was referring to my discussion with Walky over MP Starscream's incorrect F-15E colours, and I sorta reverted Walky's edit back to the original with modifications (with hooperx's Titanium 3" caption) to my original MP Starscream paragraph, with added notes about Starscream's other glaring inaccuracies. That's what I meant by 'nobody refuted my point'.
:::: At no point did I change the safeword caption, given that Pacifist Prime and I already resolved that, like, weeks ago, and I advised that to make the joke work, he didn't need to link the meaning for people, because '''A.''' The link to the meaning is abit inappropriate given our wiki's topic, and '''B.''' Its hitting people over the head with the joke. If the joke flies over people's heads, let it.
::::If you had checked the article history, or the Recent changes page, you'll see an anonymous user made the change to the caption. In any case, it wasn't me. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Ah, see, I saw your comment in the history that said something about reverting to a previous caption because no one refuted your point, and assumed this was what you were referring to. My apologies. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:18, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::: No worries. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:52, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

== MP Megs importation to Australia. ==
Well, what can I say? I got mine (two of them, in fact: one for my buddy) from HobbyLinkJapan (scum) with no troubles. Customs didn't even open it. Maybe I was just lucky, but I suspect that those toyshops only got that response from the fuzz because they asked in the first place. In fact, they may very well have tipped them off and made it harder for everyone else to import them now. Who knows? Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
: Um, hi. This is actually somewhat old news, as I haven't checked in for a week or so, but I respectfully suggest that you're overracting just a whisker. I was unaware that there had been further developments for other Australian fans importing the MP-05; as I've stated elsewhere I don't spend any time on discussion boards so I wouldn't know about any of that. If my original few lines on the subject (admittedly based solely on my personal experience of problem-free importation) is no longer representative of the majority, then I have no objection whatsoever to the text being revised.
: However, I think that your edit is a bit of an overlong rave and (at the risk of sounding more Seppocentric than is my wont) I have to say that I don't think Australia's situation really requires as much text as that concerning the States'. Furthermore, I think that your rebuttal "Eat '''that''', Australia" is particularly uneccessary. First of all it sounds like a rather mean-spirited bit of one-upmanship over a comment which, although I'll conceed ''was'' smug, was only meant in the kind of good humour that this site broadly embraces (such as its pervasive mockery of Japanese fiction). Your comment sounds quite barbed by comparison, in my opinion. But regardless of any issues of opinion it frankly doesn't make sense, because it is referring to a previous edit which no longer exists in the current text, so to any newcomer reading it the comment has no context. For this reason most of all I have taken it upon myself to remove that one line, but I have left your preceding paragraph untouched. However I urge you to reconsider its neccessity and respectfully suggest that you cut it down considerably.
: All the best, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

:: If you are so offended by the fact I made fun of Australia (and I suspect its abit of misplaced patriotism right after ANZAC day), then you shouldn't make fun of America, especially given our toy gun laws are even harsher. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Err... okay. I respectfully suggest that you're missing the point: I'm not offended, nor am I particularly patriotic. In fact, I'm a dual Austalian/American citizen, so your comments regarding my national identity are actually fairly irrelevant. And uncalled for. Don't you think personal remarks on this site are a bit untoward?
:::I just think that your edit gives the impression of being a bit personal, as though you were miffed about my original text, rather than containing material of particular relevance to other readers/users, especially your sardonic rebuttal. Again, my original crack was intended in good humour, so it seems that it is you who are the one getting offended. Perhaps this is not the case, and if so I apologise.
:::But regardless of that I still maintain that the content makes little sense. Please re-read my previous post for my reasons for this.
::: Ta, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::: Sorry mate. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::: It's okay, I just don't understand what it is about my edits that seem to routinely rub you up the wrong way. I'm just trying to get into the spirit of the site and its refreshingly relaxed attitude compared to other uptight wikis like Wookieepedia. You seem to know a fair bit about Australia, and I'm certainly not out to offend anyone, but you seem to take exception to a fair bit of what I have to say. I don't really understand. [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].
:::::: Dr. Fang says its because I'm high-strung. And I'm kind of an asshole. Sorry about that, chap. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Okay then, I guess. So, will you please consider trimming the Australian stuff on the MP-05? I just honestly doubt other people need to know so much about gun laws. Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]].

== Admin ==
*Excuse me I'm looking for a admin here, do you know where I can find one?[[User:Troyb|Troyb]][[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]][[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 16:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

: Hi, unfortunately, I believe they're all at [[BotCon]] right now. Specifically they probably just left the Hasbro product panel. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:12, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

*Grr because I'm here from the new Transfanon wiki, were knida your sister wiki or whatever and I'm a buericrate there so I need someone to tell others about it.[[User:Troyb|Troyb]][[User talk:Troyb|(CIS ShadowFeed)]] [[Special:Contributions/User:Troyb|contribs]][[Image:Troyb2.jpg|20px]] 18:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

::From the community portal - The admins for this Wiki are [[User:ItsWalky]] and [[User:Suki Brits]]. Just leave them a message and they'll get back sooner or later. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:57, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

==Screencaps==

Where'd you download the movie? You seem to have uploaded some pretty high quality images of the movie that haven't appeared in any of the trailers

:They're all from the trailers and tv spots (highres, low res ect). For instance, the pic of Figueroa reacting to Sgt. Donnelly is from 'Vibration', released around May 22nd. Prime transforming in Mission City and the pics of Bumblebee standing around are from 'Freakout' (June 15). Prime jumping on/towards Megatron, Ironhide transforming and shooting his cannons in a somersault are from the Superherohype exclusive trailer that was also played during an NBA playoff or something on June 24. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==Animated toy pictures==

Well, the official pictures of the toy wont come out for a LOOOOONG time, so untill then, I'm uploading some bad, blurry ones, because they STILL better than nothing. Tried to give a long description of Lockdown, but somebody just deleted it easly. Also, almost all pictures at the animated ones are blurry and in weird angles, so not mines are the first. And I made them with Paint, not Powerpoint.

:That still doesn't mean we just dump any pics onto this wiki. The series and the toyline won't be out for a long time, so no real reason to have a bunch of pictures now, given there is relatively little information about the series itself.

:Powerpoint as in, Hasbro's powerpoint presentation at SDCC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:26, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

:: Actually, we know pretty mutch about the series and the toys, but you guys don't let any info of it to be putten on, because they're "leaked". So that's it. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 21:36, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Any information that isn't official released about a project that is coming soon does not belong here because this wiki (usually) follows what is official, not what is unconfirmed. If you want rumour-mongering, go to the wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:13, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

==Stubs==
Why do you move the stub tags to the top of pages? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:I feel that Articles that need some filling out should say 'HEY! This article really needs work!' in an obvious manner. Its one of the things other wikis do that I think we should emulate, if only to get people (either registered or unregistered) to finish off these articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:01, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::If what needed filling out was easy and simple to do, maybe, but filling some stubs would take weeks of solid work, so having a giant skyscraper of tags at the top of several articles seems excessively frustrating. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:12, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I forgot most of you guys run at lower resolution (judging by screencaps), so I misjudged how bad the messageboxes would be. Sorry man. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

==Vector Sigma==
[[User:Lordhighannoyingstarscream|Lordhighannoyingstarscream]] 21:05, 16 January 2008 (UTC) I am a new user here and I am also sorry for the caption thing, but i just discovered that someone took away all the humourous captions and sarcasm in [[Vector Sigma]]'s info page. he is a somwhat important character so I think somebody should look into that. I also had an idea for the [[Unicron trilogy]] so if yoyu wanna fix anything i put a basic theme there as well as some content and images.
:As you may or may not (probably not, I'm guessing) have read, we ''do'' use serious captions on occasion, when there's a need to convey information that isn't obvious from the text. Vector Sigma's article is one such instance. Please go to [[Transformers_Wiki:Caption|this page]] and read carefully. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

==Bonecrusher quote==
Since Bonecrusher doesn't speak in the film, could you put an attribution for the quote you added to the top of his page? I'm sure I'm not the only one who will wonder where he said it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
: Sorry, I'm writing up his Target comic #2 appearance now for that, but it would help if you can respond to the talk page question on the Transformers (2007) page regarding what we should refer to the comics as, so I can actually reference it in the quote, among other things. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
::Bonecrusher has only 2 lines in 'Ghosts,' and this is neither. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, like I said, its from the new Target-exclusive comic on their robovision site. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:11, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==

Why don't I suggest on creating a page about [[Popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes]]? If the Earth and Beast gets a popular vehicle alternate modes page so does Cybertron.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 10:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC))
:Because with Earth vehicles there are identifiable models and designs that are recognisable. With Cybertronian vehicles they are 'generic futuristic car/truck/plane/spaceship'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
More reasons why to create it. You are an awesome person, Megatron often turns into mostly a Cybertronian vehicle, Earth Vehicle modes page has a rule like 3 toy models and finally it is better that way. Plus Transformers Animated will have one heck of alot of Autobots and Decepticons that turn into Cybertronian vehicles.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 10:43, 20 October 2007 (UTC))

== Screencap requests ==
Hey there, if you're in a screen-cappin' mood, there's a few shots we could really use for the cartoon's main page. Specifically:
* The Decepticons' undersea HQ
* The space bridge receiver ring -- maybe while it's firing its rays into the clouds or while the rocks and stuff are floating up.
* Season 1 opening credits -- maybe Prime & co while they're on that giant flying Autobot symbol, and/or the TF logo flying at the viewer.
* I'd like to see a higher-quality cap of the standard view of Cybertron. That's a shot which deserves a high-res view, IMO.
* I'm trying to think of a really iconic scene/moment from Season 3, but drawing a blank.
If you got the time and inclination, thanks! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:04, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

:I'll see what I can do. I only picked up Madman's set on sunday, and I'm currently working through the G1 episodes chronologically, or characters who really needed cartoon image representation.

:I'm not sure about the Season 1 opening credits - by the time we see Prime and co, they are either too indistinct to make out in a wide view, and the camera is already focusing entirely on Prime when they are clear enough for the viewer to see. I'll see what I can do, but I'll have to go through the episodes because the Madman sets use the broadcast masters, so some episodes are almost as clean and colourful as Rhino's, but others aren't so good. So this means trawling through episodes to find good, clean images of more generic shots like the intro or often-seen sequences such as the spacebridge. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:27, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

::Fair enough. No hurry. The "The Transformers" logo from the opening credits might be fine too, if the Autobot symbol thing isn't clear; it's got a pretty distinct look IIRC.
::And, crap. For a second there you got my hopes up that there might be a flawless DVD release of G1... but it sounds like they have Rhino's screwy sound effects. Ah well! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it certainly has the best packaging and presentation of any available set now - the outer cardboard box even has a bio panel detailing the features and a fake tech spec meter rating the 'Story', 'Action, 'Features' and 'Appeal'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:09, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

==Image Editing==
A while back, you brought up the grid-backgrounds on the CG Galaxy Force character images. Those are probably simple enough (since they're on a white BG already) that it won't take me a lot of time to do them, but in general I don't know what Photoshop trickier goes into quickly cleaning images... I usually just use the Eraser tool, which, with my tendency to be distracted, can wind up taking several hours. Is there some easier way to get a white background?

(On that topic, uh, y'think you can take a stab at [http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/tfscans/TheBattleStars01.jpg these]?) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Depending on the quality of the image (lack of jpeg artefacts and the resolution), how busy the background image is and if the background somehow intersects with the image you want to preserve or not, one of the easiest ways I've found is to simply use the magic wand to cut out the background elements. In the end, I also the eraser, and yeah, it take a bloody long time. Does Walky know? I would assume he's more skilled with Photoshop than I.

: Who do we need out of that image? Grandus, I assume? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:10, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::I uploaded the Grandus image on his [[Grandus|page]]. Can you fill out the image's details? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:37, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! Grandus was one of them, yeah, but also Sixliner... hm. Do you think we could use that painted Grandus In Base Mode art as his main pic, with the one you edited in the main body, or vice versa? We'd drop the three-Battlestar picture from his article, which would still be in the main Battlestar article. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 23:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

==Short image file names==

I give them short titles, because they're far from perfect, and only temporaly. If they surely get's changed, I just short it so the next pic uploader don't get into trouble with a similar picture description. --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 11:53, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Sky Lynx and It's-A-Bird-Plane-Lynx Caption ==

''That caption doesn't really work.''

The caption I added was A) descriptive of the pic (Sky Lynx is "up in the sky"), B) descriptive of the character (he is a (dino)bird, a (space)plane, and a lynx), and C) adequately captures the ego and magnificence of the character by equating him with Superman. So, please elaborate on your objection. [[User:JW|JW]] 12:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think it's very funny. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::Well, we'll have to disagree about that. Regardless, the first rule of this wiki (in 100px text on [[Talk:Main Page]]) is "The funny stays." Removing a caption and replacing it with ''nothing'' is a violation of both the letter and spirit of that rule. I'll restore the caption. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Perhaps you should hold your horses. I don't know if you noticed, but I've been around for quite awhile so I am aware of the rules. Secondly, I blanked the caption to give you or somebody else the chance of coming up with a new caption. Thirdly, dude, I uploaded that screenshot. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:09, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Regarding your second point, if someone replaces the caption with something that is generally agreed to be funnier, I won't have a problem with it. Replacing it with ''nothing'' is not appropriate.
::::Your third point is your personal guideline, but not wiki policy. I don't think it would be workable as a general policy.
::::As to your first point, I'll defer to admins, but otherwise I don't grant that seniority means one has the only valid sense of humor.
::::I think that the contributions I have made thus far to this wiki entitle me to put reasonably-clever captions on entirely-uncaptioned pics and to be secure that they won't be arbitrarily blanked without discussion. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:24, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::The caption rule on this wiki states that the uploader of an image gets to caption it, blah blah humour as a reward for doing the work blah. From what I can tell, unless the caption violates a rule itself (such as being vulgar) or there is some consensus or agreement reached with the uploader, the caption stays. I am generally not good at captions myself, so I normally leave them blank for others to fill in, but is it not unfair that I have to simply 'deal' with whatever caption is applied to an image I uploaded if I do not like said caption? Surely as the person who either tracked down an image or sat through episodes to find the exact frame to capture, I should have some sort of say in the matter. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::''The caption rule on this wiki states that the uploader of an image gets to caption''
::::::Clearly, I must have missed this rule. Where is it stated?
::::::''[isn't it] unfair that I have to simply 'deal' with whatever caption is applied [...]?''
::::::Well, that gets into tricky territory. The idea that people "own" parts of a wiki, and have veto power over those parts, is fraught with peril. I have no ''major'' problem with someone uploading an image, adding a caption at the time, and having a reasonable expectation that their caption be allowed to stand, due to "ownership rights". In this case, however, my caption had already been there for weeks before you removed it. There should be some sort of statute of limitations, I think. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::[[Transformers Wiki:Caption|I believe this is the extent of our captioning policy.]] Though it mostly applies to random IP persons and newbies who either want to change things or remove all traces of humour.
:::::::I didn't mean I have some kind of legal right to do so, I might in the sense of fairness, if people get to caption their images in the first place when they upload it based upon what they think is funny, I should be able to change or ask for a 'better' caption if I don't in the first place. But anyway, I'll just grow up and learn to deal with it. Now let's all forget our troubles with a '''''big bowl of strawberry ice cream'''''! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Thank you for the link to the captioning policy. Alas, I think it damns us both equally.
::::::::On the other hand, let it never be said that I can't be distracted by ice cream. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:How was it not funny? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:20, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::I didn't think it fit well enough with the arrogance of the article, at a glance it seemed to be more specific to the heroic image of Sky Lynx blasting off than his personality. But not to worry, I won't question anybody's captions of images I upload. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==BW Rampage Toypic==
Um... Transformer: Generations doesn't cover Beast Wars at all, so that Rampage picture can't be from it. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 22:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
:Goddammit. Wait, actually it looks like a Hasbro stock photo. Even BETTER. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

==Comic arrangement==
Well, I mostly did it because I thought the character list looked ugly at the top of articles. If you don't care for it, feel free to move it back to the normal placement. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm mostly concerned about the fact we seem to agree on a format or standard..... then somebody changes their mind, so the wiki ends up looking really disorganised. One only needs to look at the episode articles and you'll see what I mean. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 00:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::Perhaps style guide pages for both would would help consistency. I'll... go and make them, suppose. So discussion can be centralized. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::We've already decided on the cartoon article style, and the help page lists [[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]] as the example. However, the comic example is one of the older Marvel G1 styles, which is perfectly servicable, but just lacks the character box. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 01:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

==Image formats==
[[User talk:Sntint|Actually]], what should it read? My knowledge of image format differences is limited; the impression I'm getting from Wikipedia is that a high-quality JPEG might still display legible text and have a smaller filesize than a PNG. Is this mistaken? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:54, 2 March 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:Sntint

2008-03-02T16:45:55Z

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===Pictures from other sites===
I believe we actually can use them under fair use, though we prefer Hasbro stock photos when we can (unless they're too ineptly posed or transformed). Half of the toy photos on here come from the always thorough Seibertron galleries. Anyway, what should be critiqued is the fact its not a very good pose (I generally prefer more neutral poses), the filename is non-descriptive and it doesn't show the vehicle mode. :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:I was afraid that it had been done a lot. To use the picture with the watermark seems kind of... rude, though. It just feels icky to so blatently steal images, when we DON'T steal text. It's old netiquette. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

::Stealing bad. Using with full credit... better. Which means the image credit needs to say where it came from, with a full link (not just the URL,) indicate whether it's being used with permission or not, use the <nowiki>{{fairuse}} template instead of {{hastak}}</nowiki>indicate the copyright belongs to the ''site'', not Hasbro, but usually note that Hasbro still owns the likeness of the toy being photographed.
::Also, the way 'fair use' works, legally, is that it has to be the 'lesser part of value' of a work being excerpted. tfu.info's main site-generated content ''is'' their pics, if you take the robot and vehicle pics, you've taken 85% of the article-- avoid doing that. Seibertron.com's galleries are usually 50+ pictures, nicking one of them is only about 2% of the whole, and thus doesn't really 'devalue' the gallery in the same manner that taking tfu.info's does. Basically- if we can't find an official toy pic, the wiki seems okay with using pics from other sites... but we're reslly strict about properly crediting them in the most elaborate fashion possible, and making ''damn sure'' you properly describe the copyright relationships, because Copyright erodes if it's not defended- and we'd just as soon NOT have Hasbro be forces to 'defend itself' against this wiki.
::...as for watermarks, I just clone 'em out in Photoshop. "I'm already linking to the originating site, clearly the purpose of the watermark- to prevent theft-without-credit is accomplished." The originating site might ''prefer'' their watermark still stay on there, but I'm comfortable that my ethical obligation has been fullfilled by the link.
::And of course, the originating site (beign the copyright holder has a right to request removal- but I don't think anyone ever has. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
==Brawl/Devastator Title Image==
Let me start off by saying I appreciate humor as much as anyone else. I enjoy the captions on this wikia, and wish other wikias would do the same. However, my common sense draws a line at using an image of Cyber Slammers Brawl for the title picture. As I have encountered difficulties in changing images I can only urge you and the other guys on here to see when enough is enough: CHANGE THAT IMAGE!!!!!!! [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 20:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

:I don't really respond well to demands. Why does that one, single image bother you so much? I could see if it were a frequent thing, but it's not. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 01:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

==J'wan==
I thought it was some misspelled reference to [[J'nwan]]. Which I misspelt. Erm. My brain's not working today. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 07:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

:Heh. You could have just replied on your own Talk page. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 07:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

==PNG files==
I would recommend that you erm... not recommend people to use PNG files. We've been deleting them on-sight unless it's some sort of image that requires legible text (like M Sipher's continuity chart). PNGs are much larger by comparison to jpegs, and on average, aren't that much better looking for most images. :-) --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
:Ah. I see you've corrected the misinformation on his K's talk page. I'll update the style guide. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:KSigmund

2008-03-02T14:40:47Z

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==Smartone.gif==
I reverted this file to its previous, larger version, because the smaller one shows bad pixelization from the resize and the larger version is still within the size standards of the Wiki. However, they are really in the wrong format. As per the [[Help:Style_guide#Images|Style guide]], they should be in the PNG or JPG format. If you could, please convert your uploads to this format. Also, please include sourcing information, such as what episode and series they're from. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Spike Witwicky (G1)

2008-03-01T15:38:40Z

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:''Spike Witwicky is an [[Autobot]]-allied [[human]] in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[image:Lolpuberty.jpg|right|175px|thumb|Amazing what a bit of testosterone can do for a guy. Rawr.]]

'''Spike Witwicky''' is the oldest (and sometimes only) son of [[Sparkplug Witwicky]].

Spike, like most Witwickys, has a tendency to form close bonds to the Autobots and become one of their main human allies. Cause let's face it, there are advantages when your best friend is [[Bumblebee (G1)|a car]].

:''Malay-English dub name:'' '''Sparkle''' 
:''Hungarian ''The Movie'' dub name'': '''Csuka''' ("Pike"), in other media, '''Spike'''.

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Corey Burton]] (US), [[Show Hayami]] → [[Masashi Ebara]] (Japan)

[[Image:Spike_SemiNude.jpg|thumb|left|150px|We have hereby filled our beefcake quotient for this Wiki. Move along.]]
[[Image:Spike_ospit.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Oh, bother. How do you propose we solve our predicament at this moment?]]
In 1984, Spike was a 14-year-old adolescent working with his father [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] on an oil rig when the Decepticons attacked. After the Autobots rescued them, they volunteered to become their native guides to planet Earth.

Spike had many adventures with the Autobots, taking part in just about everything they did on Earth for at least the next few years. He became especially close friends with the little Autobot Bumblebee. At one point, however, Spike was injured in a Decepticon attack, and his mind was transferred to the unstable [[Autobot X]]. The process began to play havoc with Spike's mind, allowing [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] to manipulate him in into attacking [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the Autobots. Only after nearly killing his father did Spike realize that he was being duped. His mind was subsequently transferred back into his body.
[[Image:Bumblebeepinkinterior.jpg|left|thumb|150px|It's the pink interior that makes Spike such a [[Ladiesman217|Ladiesman]]]]

In the course of his adventures with the Autobots, he met [[Carly]], an impetuous prodigy and MIT graduate. Despite being (much) smarter, older (she could drive), and hotter than him, Carly displayed a noticeable affection for the somewhat-dim Spike. They mated and produced [[Daniel Witwicky|offspring]].

As an adult in the distant year 2005, Spike was stationed with Bumblebee on one of the Autobot's secret moonbases. He had a bit of a potty-mouth about being eaten by the monster-planet [[Unicron]], but that would make anyone pissed. He was saved from the belly of Unicron by his afforementioned offspring. Later, when the Autobots had regained control of the planet, he became Earth's ambassador...or something.

[[Image:SpikeHeadmasterRebirth1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Spike is BACK! ...and BLACK!]]

Marooned on the distant planet [[Nebulos]] he became a [[Headmaster]] partner to [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] and single handedly rebuilt an ancient city into [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|a giant transformer]].

He polished up good.

===Headmasters Cartoon===
Uh, disregard those last two sentences and add in some misogyny.

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
''(Note: Events from the UK-only comic stories are in italics.)''

Spike Witwicky was away at college for the first few years of the Autobot/Decepticon war on Earth until he returned home to find his younger brother [[Buster_Witwicky|Buster]] kidnapped by the Decepticons. Spike soon became the binary-bond partner to the [[Headmaster]] [[Fortress_Maximus_(G1)|Fortress Maximus]], after Fortress Maximus' first partner, [[Galen]], was killed in a battle with the Deception [[Scorponok_(G1)|Scorponok]].

Thereafter he struggled with balancing his responsibillities to his family with those to the Autobots. Once Buster was rescued, and with [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] returned to life to take his place as Autobot leader, Spike went into retirement, mothballing poor Max. This retirement wouldn't last however as it was interupted, first by a pair of Decepticon [[Pretender]]s, then by the crash of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and a raving [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Through the course of these conflicts Spike learned that the [[binary bonding]] he had undergone with Maximus was far deeper and more permanent than he'd believed. Fortress Maximus was always there with him in his head, always a part of him. After his battle with Galvatron he seemed to have made peace with his connection to Fortress Maximus and his role as (perhaps) the last Autobot protector of Earth.

[[Image:Spikewitwicky2009.jpg|150px|right|thumb|In 2009, jheri curls return with a vengeance. Just you wait.]]
[[Image:Spikewitwickytimewars.jpg|150px|left|thumb|White jumpsuits were so 2006.]]
''In an alternate timeline in the year 2009, Decepticons had built a machine to destroy Earth while a space-time anomaly was eating entire planets. After [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] orchestrated a plan to travel twenty years back in time to the source of the anomaly, Spike Witwicky and his son Daniel accused Rodimus of shirking his responsibilities towards Earth and guilted Rodimus into allotting more troops to help destroy the Decepticons' machine.''

In another alternate timeline in the year 2009, Spike Witwicky was part of a very small Autobot/human resistance movement in a world where [[Galvatron II]]'s Decepticons controlled North America. The handful of Autobots who remained alive despaired and were on the cusp of giving up, but Spike and [[Lisa]] (who shared growing feelings for each other) guilted them into one last suicidal attack on Decepticon headquarters in New York before the rest of the world could unleash a nuclear holocaust onto America at midnight. Though there were several casualties, Spike managed to hoist an American flag on the Decepticon stronghold on live television, a symbolic measure which prompted the end of the planned nuclear strike. Before Galvatron II could respond, the Decepticon despot was abducted by [[Hook, Line, and Sinker]] into another timeline.

====''Generation 2''====
[[Image:Spikewitwickyg2.jpg|left|thumb|100px|Now the jumpsuit's in BROWN?]]

Spike followed up on the now [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]-controlled Ark, which he'd apparently stuffed Fortress Maximus aboard and then abandoned after his battle with Galvatron (great job protecting Earth there, "Last Autobot").

He reunited with Max and together they . . . um sort of stopped Megatron (well, delayed him a little . . . maybe) by throwing themselves into the ship's [[antimatter]] core.

He blowed up '''real''' good.
{{-}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===

It's to be assumed that Spike and his father, Sparkplug, met the Autobots early on in their time on Earth (in a similar fashion as Spike and Sparkplug did in the cartoon, or Buster and Sparkplug did in the Marvel Comics). Spike definitely had a younger brother named Buster (like in the Marvel comics), yet it was Spike who formed a close friendship with Bumblebee (like in the cartoon, rather than missing out on the first few years of the Witwicky family's interaction with the Transformers while engaging in drinking orgies at college, like he did in the Marvel comics). The exact details of the Witwicky's early years as the Autobots' human associates are therefore not known.

Somewhere in the time after 1984, Spike married Carly, who then gave birth to Spike's son, Daniel. After the explosion of the Ark II in 1999, which caused the death of Spike's father Sparkplug, Spike tried to leave his involvement with the Transformers behind and settled down with his wife and son in Cleveland, Ohio, trying to live a new life as a normal family. The newfound peace wouldn't last for long, though, as Spike was soon recruited by a shady military official named [[Robert Hallo|General Hallo]] seeking his help in reviving Optimus Prime, whose body his men had recently found in the Arctic. Spike, who had been entrusted by Prime with a fragment of the Matrix, used that fragment to bring Prime back to life. {{Storylink|Prime Directive, Part 1}} {{Storylink|Prime Directive, Part 2}}

Prime subsequently used the Matrix to revive and assemble a group of his Autobots, which he would then lead against Megatron's Decepticons. Meanwhile, Spike was imprisoned by General Hallo, who had double motives behind reviving the Autobots and even tried to kill them by bombing them. With the help of [[Larry|Larry, the World's Most Resourceful Janitor]], Spike was able to escape his cell and uncover Hallo's sinister schemes, but not in time to stop him from launching a nuclear strike against the Autobots which was ultimately averted when [[Superion]] sacrificed his life in order to make it detonate before it could reach its target. {{Storylink|Prime Directive, Part 5}} {{Storylink|Prime Directive, Part 6}}

Following these events, Spike once again returned to his family and tried to leave his past with the Transformers behind. A few months later, though, his old friend Bumblebee, who had just decided to quit the Autobot army following a fierce battle against [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]], showed up by his house. Spike, frustrated that the Autobots refused to leave him alone, hurled a few nasty insults against his old buddy before changing his mind and joining him on a men's night out in the city, where they stopped a mugging. The follow-up scene of Carly shouting at Spike singing [[drinking_songs|drinking songs]] with Bumblebee was never published due to the untimely faltering of Dreamwave. It also means we will never know if Spike and Bumblebee formed a crime fighting duo.

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs the Transformers'' continuity===
In response to the forming of the terrorist organization [[Cobra]] and its commandeered Transformers, the United States government assembled a strike team dubbed [[G.I. Joe]]. Spike Witwicky (codename Spike) was listed on the roster, but was never seen. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs the Transformers, Part 2}}

''(Oddly, Spike Witwicky's was the only name of a military specialist on the roster which was not ordered last name, first name.)''

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
* '''Fortress Maximus with Spike''' (Headmaster, 1987)
:Spike was a [[Headmaster]] figure who came with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Gray and blue, he transformed into [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]]' head, who then in turn became Fortress Maximus' head. Although the on-package [[bio]] referred to 'the Nebulan leader, Spike', most assume it was supposed to represent the character from TV, making this the first Transformers toy of an Earth human.

==Merchandise==

===Super Collection Figure===
*'''Bumble and Spike''' (Act 3, 2001)
*''Japanese ID Number'': '''5''' (painted) '''6''' (clear)

[[Image:SCF-Bumblebee-Spike.JPG|thumb|right|200px|Spike says "How."]]

:Spike and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] were sold together as a single PVC in ''Act 3'' of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s [[Super Collection Figure]] series. They were [[blindpacked]], with painted and clear variations sold in equal quantities. In [[Hasbro]]'s markets, they were sold together on a blister card as the "Autobot Espionage Team". (At this point, Hasbro did not have the trademark rights to Bumblebee's name.) In both Japan and the West, the two came packaged with HOC Fortress Maximus' right leg.

==Trivia==

*Spike and Buster were both derived from the same "young male human friend" character in early backstory material. For more on the name variation see [[Butch Witwicky]].
*[[:Image:Spikecarlydanielanimated.jpg|Cameos of the Witwicky family]] appear in the [[Transform and Roll Out!|pilot movie]] of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''.

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THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

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==Archives==
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==Movie Nav Box==

The navigation box we have for Movie pages really needs an overhaul. Especially now that we have four [[Online games]] (not counting the Sector 7 Hungry Dragon thing) and the nav box points to [[Battle for the Allspark]] as THE online game. What should we do with it? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 00:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for July==

What should we start polishing up to be next month's Featured Article? It needs to be something relevant for people finding this site after seeing the movie? How about [[Bumblebee (G1)]], as it covers the history behind the film's most prominent robot? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 21:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
: Sure, works for me. We've got our work cut out for us, though! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:56, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Is no one up to filling out Bumblebee's Dreamwave, Legends anthology, Dreamwave Transformers/GI Joe, Devil's Due, or Hearts of Steel sections? I'm poking around to see who would be relevant as a featured article for while the movie's out if we're not up to completing Bumblebee... -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:55, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::We could always just go with G1 Prime or Megatron. Both of those more than qualify, I think. - [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 07:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Megatron's pretty close. I think we just need some filling out of his cartoon exploits. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:36, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: He needs TF/G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe vs. TF, and Hearts of Steel filled out too. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 02:52, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Hearts of Steel writeup: "There was art of him in the supplemental materials!" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:04, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: ...Two designs for a guy who didn't even show... Dang it.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 08:05, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Movie Launch==

Hey Guys, Was wondering if you were going to put anything on the home page about the movie launching tonight? I was going to put this wiki in the spotlight starting Friday to promote it, but I think its needs a more recognizable logo so people will click on it. [[User:Angies|angies]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angies|talk]]) 19:25, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

:I've put something on the front page now. I had wanted to get this done last week, but I never had the time, and then most of the staff were at the [[BotCon 2007|Transformers convention]] for four or five days. It needs work, but it's there, at least. It would be great if we could have a spotlight! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

==Logos for 'By series' column==
I was uploading some logos for the franchise pages, and it got me thinking - the By series column on the main page is basically a bunch of text, and for either visual-minded people or those who aren't as familiar with TF, it can be confusing. How about we get brand/franchise logos for all the series so far and put them into the column? The logos would be easier to see and recognisable.

I made [http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/166/logosbyseriesec4.jpg this] - the logos there are at 250px, but I later reduced that to 150px and they still seem fine (unless you've a super-high resolution on a less than super-large monitor). Its quite rough there, series logos are missing (and I've not actually changed the page itself), but what do you guys think? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

:I like the idea. I think the execution needs xome more work of course but having the logos there definately makes the page nicer looking.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 19:21, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::The logos need to be much, much smaller. That looks not so visually appealing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::If the logos were reduced a little more, I think it would be alright to remove the text and go with just logos. (And giving them TITLE/ALT attributes, of course.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:26, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::
::They need to not have backgrounds, and it's going to be a real hassle to get rid of the Classics one. I think the idea could be doable, although the mockup does not look good at all. It could potentially be very ugly and I think we need to be careful. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::So we're doing this for every series title? ''Awesome''! And it's gonna have no text? ''Awesome''! And what are we doing for Japanese series?
:::(I saw this done with all the Japanese titles on Cyberbon a few years back. Turns out that bereft of some visual cue to tell you what series you're talking about- every TF logo after Masterforce looks the same.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I suspect that may not be a problem, given that we do not actually have any Japanese titles on the main page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:54, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah I'll need your help, anyway since I am shithouse at photoshop now and I can't get rid of the backgrounds myself. Also we're still missing logos for Beast Machines, RID and king of hard to track down, G2. We have so few images on the first page that I think, if done right, this could look very nice. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:30, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Logos so far, and I guess they'll all need to be converted, except for the movie logo:

:::::[[Image:G1logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:G2Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:BWlogo.jpg|left|90px]]
:::::[[Image:RIDlogo.png|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Armadalogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Energonlogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Universelogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Cybertron-Logo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Classicslogo.jpg|left|100px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformers2007logomodified.png|left|150px]]
:::::[[Image:Transformersanimated franchise logo.png|left|100px]]
{{-}}
::::::You might have my help... if I thought it was a good idea. Remember you need to do Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, Return of Convoy, JG2, BW2, BWN, Robotmasters, Binaltech, Kiss-Player, etc. And they somehow have to communicate what series they refer to despite lacking any English text.
::::::Also-also, I assuem that clicking on these logos is supposed to take you to their respective franchise pages? Clicking on an image takes you to the info page for that image. It's a wikipedia fundamental. You need to find a way around that. Have fun!-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Don't all those Japanese series fall under the umbrella of G1 or BW anyway? And, as it has been so repeatedly stated, this predominantly an American TF wiki, so I don't think we need to list EVERY TF cartoon ever made, for even with just text links it would be very, very long. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::: If you're just linking to the continuity-families, you shouldn't have 3 images for the UT then. Clearly that threw me off. Of course, if this is by Continuity family, we don't need Classics either- it's part of G1.
:::::::: Franchise or continuity family, pick a standard. (and if i'm coming off as Difficult, it's because I think this is a bad idea- but like a lot of bad ideas I'm over-ruled on, if it's goign to be done I'd like to see it done '''well''', or at least consistently.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::There's no logo for UT, unless we make one up, which would be fanart. And those three series are far more well known and arguably more important to American Transformers than the entire Japanese TF continuity. But, if you can come up with the brand/franchise logos for Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battlestars, BW The Second, BW Neo and on, then we'll do it your way. Not sure how big the 'By series' list will end up being, however. We may have to end up redesigning the main page. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::No love for the BM "clawed-winged gear" logo? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:07, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::I couldn't find an appropriate image to use, and I didn't have time to edit one out of something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::: Looking at that tall list of images leaves me highly skeptical. This list is going to be ''huge.'' It's going to completely dominate the main page and throw everything off entirely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not particularly fond of the way the main page is laid out right now, it was very much something thrown together in twenty minutes; but without an actual redesign (or even with one, it takes up a whole screen on my computer), I don't see that huge-ass list working out. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 14:23, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yes, now that I see the images on top of each other, I also think this isn't a great idea anymore. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::And that's ''without'' Machine Wars, Beast Machines, Dinobots and Timelines. And then throw in Animorphs, SWTF and Titanium (not to mention the new Universe and other future lines). That column would be taller than almost all monitors can display. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::''I get it.'' Which is why I only wanted to do it for the series we have at the moment. I wonder, why are you guys suggesting, all of a sudden, series that weren't even there before? If they weren't important enough for inclusion in the column in the first place, why bother to list every TF series ever made now, if only to use them as a means to derail my (evidently) poorly thought out idea? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, less appealing than I thought it might be. I DO definately believe the Main page could use some redesign and more pictures/visual interest. This just may not be the best way to add that.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:22, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

:I made them smaller, but I see FFN has ''failed''! :O Is there any way to allow the images to link to the articles in question? It would free up clutter if we had the American logos and do away with the text saying what it is. As for placement, I think IF the By series column were to have logos, it would work better if we swapped its location with the 'Top level categories' column. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
::It could work... if we reformatted the main page so instead of the vertical list there was a box, with the logos filling up rows and columns. G1 at the top-left and then so on. Just a thought. If it eats up the whole screen, nevermind. --[[User:209.101.152.114|209.101.152.114]] 17:25, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at the image placement markup later. I don't THINK you can make clicking on them take you someplace else... but maybe it'll surprise me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:37, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:I checked, it can't be done. Sorry. I think you can make the pic info page re-direct you... but there are several well-founded reasons why you wouldn't want to do that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:01, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

The funny is awesome.Learn to laugh.

==featured wiki==
[http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Featured_Wikia/vote#Transformers_.28aka_Teletraan-1.29 go vote for us, bitches.] (if not for us, for the spanking art wiki, 'cause seriously. spanking art.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 19:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

== New Prime Image ==

I have replaced the crappy and blurred Prime image on the main page with a much better version. Hope there are no objections. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:I strongly object. That image is huge and it completely breaks the layout of the front page. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:02, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you are right. But I still suggest that the image be replaced or removed entirely. Many images exist on the site that are far better, and could be put to use in its place. Also, the presence of the image on the page causes the Welcome sign to be askew, and makes it look like a bit of a botch job. [[User:OptimusPrime|OptimusPrime]] 18:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:What do you mean, askew? It's not *supposed* to be in the center of the page... is that all you mean? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 18:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::How about a size-reduced pic of that close up of Prime's head from the international posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
I dislike the current main image, a blurry (imo) close-up of Movie Prime's face. I suggest [[:Image:Wotf g1 movie primal.jpg|this image]] from Takara's Tf site instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's gonna look pretty awful when small, since that image is gonna go in that little feature-box on the right-hand side of the screen. Any way to get a pic from the bit just before that with those three in close-up without the "WORLD OF TRANSFORMERS" on it? That should shrink down way better while still being legible. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:16, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's actually 3 seperate pieces of close-up art. I can scrape those and re-create it though. Do you want the starfield behind it, or a transparent background? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
::Hm. Yyyyyeah, starfield, I think. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Okie, Starfield is up at the previously-linked location. Transparent is [[:Image:G1 movie primal.png|here]], and I think it looks better. (Thought his gamma might be too agressive.) If we made it the main image it'd probably be nice to round and fade the edges a bit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
It's seriously ''not'' a good picture. (The only reason I objected to the first guy's replacement was because it was like a whole screen tall.) I was really wondering when someone was going to replace it with something better. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 01:35, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about that close up of Prime's movie CG head from the international movie posters? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:39, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I love that image and I'd be pissed if someone took it off...SO DO NOT DO IT!!!!! -Rodimusman22

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== Popular Culture? ==

Maybe it's just me, but I think it might be a good idea to include a page that features the various references made to the Transformers franchise in different forms of media and popular culture, i.e. Optimus Prime's cameo in ''The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy''; Prime and Soundwave on ''Family Guy''; the "Rad Rad Robotank" that's appeared every once in a while in ''Homestar Runner'', etc. Anyone else think so?

:Hell yeah, seconded! One of my favorite bits of Wookieepedia is checking out all the different star wars references they catch and list. Seeing a list of real-world transformer references, cameos and sightings would be sweet. Hell, I think it would be fascinating just to see TF sightings. "Oh, so the toy that kid was playing with in this obscure movie was just a <insert TF here> that the prop department repainted. Neat."

:I am... a bit wary of such a thing. A centralized list of pop culture refs would be enormous and very hard to manage, and probably boring. I could see maybe having shorter lists in relevant individual articles -- like, on G1 Soundwave's page, a list of refs to him in particular -- but that would remove some of the usefulness of listing them in the first place, because there wouldn't be an easy way to find them all. How does Wookiepedia do it? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:06, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:: I'm also wary for the same reasons I don't want us to handle unofficial stuff like fan-conventions and books... at what point does something become not noteworthy enough to mention? Are we going to list every last damn insignificant webcomic or unfunny comedian who says HEY REMEMBER TRANSFORMERS?! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:::We see this sort of thing pop up often enough in forums. And frankly, the Wookieepedia's listing of SW references in pop culture is (and I apologise to the people who compiled them) rather boring. And personally, I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:59, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::I'm torn. I agree in principle with everything the naysayers have naysaid. And yet, I want somewhere I can document that Spaceballs: The Lunchbox was a TF lunchbox with the Spaceballs logo slapped on it, and there was an Insecticon among the pile of toys the kid in Flight of the Navigator gets. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::''I never want to see Family Guy referenced on this wiki'' 
::::I just feel this bears repeating. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 08:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Looks like you have some caption-editing to do then. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:47, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

::::::COULD IT BE? Somebody on the internet who '''doesn't''' like Family Guy? *shocked* I could swear I was the only one! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I told you guys, '''I NEVER WANT TO SEE FAMILY GUY REFERENCED ON THIS WIKI'''. I hate that show and the fact that if you're our age you 'have' to be a fan of it and its limited sense of humour. I think we should discourage people from adding more references beyond the ones we have right now, and just delete ones made by random, unregistered users. We don't reference every time Transformers have appeared on television that isn't a Transformers show so we don't have to reference every instance time they appear on Family Guy. *SHAKES FIST* --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Okaaaaay...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 06:01, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::Don't force me to resort to fisticuffs! --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I think, in the interest of fairness and with awareness of the "slippery-slope", that pop-culture references should generally be stricken outside of certain special circumstances where there's some kind of "official" link... like, say, the Megatron/Jetfire cameo in the old Marvel G.I. Joe comic. Thanks to the web and eighty billion cable channels, allowing any "unofficial" pop-culture would mean we'd be looking at a very Wikipedia-esque "notability" (read: "well, '''I'VE''' never heard of it!") kind of judgment call being taken every time someone puts up a vanity link because they made a Transformers joke in their little flash animation on Newgrounds. 
I'm not adverse to having an article ON the fact that TFs is now a popular callback for the nostalgia remoras out there, noting the timing of the "surges" of things transforming into robots as a reference/parody/imitation... but not some list of 'em all. It's the same stance we ''should'' have on any other unofficial work, yes? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:Some of our articles reference or link Walky's Shortpacked and Don Murphy's article uses a panel from the old 'Don Murphy knees Ethan in the chest' comic as its main pic. Should those be edited in line with this policy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say yes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'd say, "it depends". It shoundn't be linked to just for the hell of it, but if a case arises where a Shortpacked! strip -- like any other external page -- provides a cogent illustration of something, I think it should be fine to link to that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Some anonymous, nameless editor at the top raises a good question; how ''does'' Wookieepedia deal with this? I mean, I'm guessing that they have to deal with a whole friggin' lot more than we do, so if they handle it well, they might have an already established set of standards we can modify.

I don't like the idea of having a giant, unmaintainable mess of pointless cruft and I don't think ''I'' would ever be interested in any modern pop culture appearances of Transformers; but that doesn't mean that there aren't ''other'' people who would be interested in a list like that.

(There was also someone else, elsewhere, who raised a good point: what about references to Transformers that ''aren't'' from the last few years? I mean, I don't give a damn about Soundwave on Family Guy and I don't think anyone else here does, either, but what about the more obscure references from Beast Wars and earlier? Those are interesting just because they can potentially illustrate Transformers in pop culture in earlier periods of time, to contrast with now; which certainly seems to ME like it has value.) --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

:I'd mentioned stuff along that line in #wiigii!... I do think, say, that Razorbeast was on ''Fresh Prince of Bel Aire'' (which I never cared for in all honesty, and I had Fresh Prince albums on steady play growing up) or that ''The Powerpuff Girls'' had an extended CGI tribute/parody of ''Beast Machines'' are WAYYYYY more significant than any TF reference made in the past five years because the HEY LOOK THING YOU REMEMBER wasn't a popular comedy substitute then. At that point, who gave a fuck about Transformers... or about the Eighties, for that matter? Aside from VH1? But it's the ol' slippery-slope again if it goes outside of a "centralized" article that mentions such occurrences within the context of time and doens't try to be a comprehensive list of references. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::Wookipedia lists EVERYTHING oh my GOD the pages are huge. They divide it by medium. Every single refence, from American Dad to Webcomics. It's... it's a giant monument to how you don't want to spend your time.

:::Yep, like I said, the wookipedia's list is really, really huge, and really, really boring, no offense to the people who took the time to compile it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:19, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Lord, and I can barely work up the drive to make articles on actual official TF episodes. And my ''career'', which I enjoy a lot, is basically "make giant lists of boring minutae". The idea that we'd have a complete list of every unfunny TF gag puked out by Adult Swim shows but not, say, a completed series of ''Beast Wars'' episode articles is fucking ''depressing''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 09:12, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Still, it would keep that crap out of the articles proper, and it might be a nice harmless magnet for the people who want to come in and just write one or two lines, aside from just changing captions. Being so unimportant, it's not the sort of thing you'd feel COMPELLED to work on. --[[User:Anonymous Prime|Anonymous Prime]] 09:17, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I've come to think that the centralized list of refs is the best solution. That way we don't have to worry about lists of totally stupid stuff interfering with the articles we care about. (Well, except for that highly-annoying list of quotes from [[Transformers (2007)]].) It also means we don't have to make any decisions about a notability policy because the pop culture refs page is obviously going to be an unsaveable ghetto anyway, so why bother. For the record, I want to emphasize that I doubt it's possible to like Family Guy less than I do. I simply couldn't bear to the see the Family Guy mentions exacerbated by being written badly. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say you should take a look at the "Sightings" section at HRWiki.org. They do a pretty good job of organizing their stuff. (Though I don't think we really need a section for webcomics and the like) [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:56, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

==Image upload==
I assume this is a wiki software thing, but does anybody know why the upload button you can use when you edit something no longer allows you to fill out details on the file being uploaded? I've trained myself to keep an open 'Upload File' page, but its abit annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
: I'm not sure what you mean. I still see the same ol' page! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
::When I click the upload popup button (not the Upload file link on the side of the page), in the popup the appears, there's only File: (Browse button) and the "All images uploaded are subject to Wikia's GNU Free Documentation License. Do not upload copyrighted images." warning among some minor things. No space for one to type out file details.
::It has been this way since Wikia updated its software a few weeks back, so to fill out details by editing the image's page afterwards. Before the software upgrade, the upload popup also allowed you to fill out file details, just like the Upload file page. This is part of the reason why lately there have been quite a number of images uploaded with no information whatsoever - most non-registered users or newcomers use the upload button instead of the Upload file link on the side of the page. I believe Zodberg has mentioned this when somebody here asked him to fill out image details. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:43, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

== Animated GIFs ==

If there isn't already, can we put a ban on these things? -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 00:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:There are a couple that I sort of like, as on [[Spark]] and [[Oracle (G1)]]. Those ones are, IMO, considerably less obnoxious than the movie GIFs that people keep uploading. They are smaller in terms of pixels, and file size, and are far less flashy. So... I wouldn't go for a straight ban, but, certainly we could discourage them unless they are tasteful. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I'd be sad if we deleted the [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] one. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 02:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, those three should stay. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:The one on [[Ginrai]] would be a damned shame to lose.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 03:24, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::Generally speaking, I never think outright bans are the correct response when what you ''really'' want is for people to exercise restraint.
::(Of course, I made 3 of the 4 examples people cited of animated gifs that don't suck, so I'm biased.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::You know what we should do? Make an animated gif warning people against using them!
::::Seriously, what confuses is that Chosen40k uploading not only an animated gif, but a *redundant* animated gif. I mean, my collage of screencaps for that very scene is right there... I blame the Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Red Links on Main Page ==

So, we have two red links on the main page, "TV and movies" and "Toys". Were those links always red, or did something get moved? [[User:JW|JW]] 20:32, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:The pages were deleted for being lists. I've added redirects to prevent these broken links. You can view the old content in the [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=TV_and_movies&oldid=85218 page] [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Toys&oldid=33798 history]. [[User:Angela|Angela]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Angela|talk]]) 23:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Proposed LocalSettings change ==

Tweaking the [[e-Hobby]] page this morning got me thinking about iPods. Specifically [[Wikipedia:iPod|Wikipedia's iPod article]] which, as you can see, has a lowercase first character. (That's new BTW, it didn't until a few months ago.)

The iPod page uses a magic word called <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> to let you change how the page title displays. (You can't go nuts and call it 'Greg,' you can just set an alternate capitalization. You can't break anything with it.)
But enabling DisplayTitle is a LocalSettings change (requires a wiki tech to do it) so before making a request I did a quick check for any other Hot-and-Sexy LocalSettings options we might wan to consider. Out of ~200 settables, here's my short list:

<dl>
<dt>wgAllowDisplayTitle
<dd>enable the aforementioned <nowiki>{{DISPLAYTITLE}}</nowiki> flag
<dt>wgFileExtensions
<dd>Allowed file types on "Upload file." (I haven't noticed anyone grousing about not being able to upload ''X'', but I thought I'd throw it out in case someone had a really good idea.)
<dt>wgRateLimits
<dd>Limit to number of page edits allowed in a time period. e.g. 4 edits per minute, or 50 edits in 20 minutes... etc. (I'd probably be against this one because of linkfixes, and because we haven't had to deal with mass-edit-spam yet... and you shouldn't restrict users without a pressing need.)
<dt>wgLocaltimezone
<dd>Set the local timezone (used in the recent edits page, among others) to something other than UTC. It bugs me to see the wiki's time off by 5 hours, and it's ''unamerican'', where's our english bias when we need it most?
<dt>wgBlockAllowsUTEdit
<dd>Allow blocked users to edit their ''own'' user talk page. I '''strongly''' favor this one, letting the condemned have his say keeps us from coming off as totalitarian jackboots. On a purely ''functional'' level- now in order to protest/request clarification/bitch about being banned, a blocked user must first figure out how to ''evade'' our ban. Given a choice between disgruntled users venting by howling on their own talk pages and disgruntled users evading bans to (feeling silenced) howl on ''other'' pages, I'd prefer the former.
</dl>

(There's lots of other setables- but most of them just aren't useful for a wiki at our level of traffic.) I'm in favor of DisplayTitle, BannedUserTalk and maybe Timezone (Set to Portland Oregon? Rhode Island?)

I'd need to hear what others think- I'm not going to pursue a tech request unless there's favoring consensus. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me. Also, you should have posted this to the community portal instead of the main page. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 14:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::The Community portal never discusses this kind of thing...
::Oh, you meant the CP talk page. Duly noted for the future. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:Good idea. I'll throw in my vote. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 19:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

:I thought blocked users could ALREADY edit their own talk pages. Did they change the settings at some point? Regardless, I definitely agree with you there on pretty much every count. And changing the time zone to SOMETHING in North America sounds good to me, too, just because it gets weird when the day breaks like five hours off of when it actually should. The actual time zone doesn't even matter that much. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 19:04, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::Really? MediaWiki says its false by default. (I guess Wikia might have set it true as default) I don't remember being able to edit my talk page when I was banned... but perhaps I just never needed to. Let's test! Ban me!
::Um... you will have to un-ban me after the test though. ;)-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Our most recent Irate-Jerk-Who-Was-Banned was indeed able to post endlessly to her own talk page after she was banned. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Which one? Registered user? IP user? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:25, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

== Semi-Protection ==

It seems to me it would be in our best interests to semi-protect the main page against anonymous IP edits. Because, y'know, it's the frigging main page, and it's not going to have much editing done on it by anonymous users other than to replace it with "LOL UR GAY." --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 16:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:I agree entirely. It's done. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:59, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

== Military Personality ==

Through the timeline the Autobots and Decepticons had been featured military personality. IG Sir Yes Sir. Roger That. Affirmative.

Usually commanders stay behind at HQ and let their fucking lackies do the fighting. Not lead a team into battle. IG Optimus and Megatron lead their armies to battle each other and they fight in battle. In Transformers Armada the 2 leaders are supposed to stay at their HQs and let their fucking troops do battle and get the fucking mini-cons. Not make personal appearences.([[User:76.247.222.101|76.247.222.101]] 00:57, 26 September 2007 (UTC))
:What does that have to do with the Main Page...or anything regarding this wiki? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:59, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I meant whats happening during the series. Have you notice military commanders are supposed to stay behind while their troops are doing their work? The Big army thing had been featured in Armada.
:There are no less than ''ten separate series'' detailed on this wiki, and it's not really relevant to this page to discuss any of them directly as this talkpage is about the layout and formatting of the main page of this wiki. It is not a general discussion board about Transformers.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 01:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

== The Wanted pages Section ==

Can someone add [[Popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes]] to the Wanted Pages section? If the Earth and Beast gets to have alternate modes so does Cybertron. Besides most Transformers in the Unicron Trilogy and Animated series are mostly futuristic Cybertronian vehicles. There is no talk page in the Most Wanted Page section so thats why I put words here.([[User:Soldier 79|Soldier 79]] 11:26, 20 October 2007 (UTC))
:God, will you shut up about it? That page will NEVER exist, because there '''are no "popular Cybertronian vehicle alternate modes"! None AT ALL!''' So shut up already! --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:32, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

:While I do agree with [[User:Detour|Detour]] that you can hardly deem any Cybertronian alt-mode as "Popular," I say if you feel that there is a need for this page, you should just go ahead and make the page yourself instead of sitting around waiting for someone else to do the work! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 17:57, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed. While many folks on this wiki might feel that a page isn't warranted, a really well-done article treatment can often change their minds.

::Whining that the page does not exist does the exact opposite of this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]] 18:02, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:::When you do make that page, don't forget to include "[[Soundwave_%28G1%29#The_Transformers|Space-Age Lamp Post]]." --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:::And when you make the page, expect for it to be deleted quickly, because there is no need for that page. The "popular altmode" pages are for specific ''models'' of vehicles or breeds of animals, not just "jet" and "car". That quickly becomes pointless.
:::Not that this clot is ever goign to make the page. He's been here under a dozen different (banned) nicks pulling the same idiotic shit every time, and somehow the facts that nobody wants him here and he contributes nothing to the site fails to sink into his skull. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:39, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

About the Wanted Pages section. Can someone do those pages? I will not do the Wanted pages section due to I can't do style guide because of no reason.([[User:159.83.4.149|159.83.4.149]] 23:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC))

:SWEET MOTHER MARY... NO!!! '''NOBODY''' is physically capable of making that page b/c the material just doesn't exist. Seriously, I swear to whatever deity you like that I will eat my own shoe if you or ''anyone'' can compile a list of at least five "popular" Cybertronian altmodes. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 17:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you're talking about mental capabilities.- [[User: Rodimusman22|Rodimusman22]] 1:07, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Halloween colors? ==

Any chance of getting some Halloween orange in a few places to spruce up the Halloween look? I think it'd really set off the Zombie pics nice and draw more attention to them. Obviously if such a thing is a hassle it's not worth it, but if its as easy as a line of text might increase the holiday vibe some.

== Logos for 'By series' column Mark II ==

I've worked a little something out using a template taken from Wikia. What do you think? [[User:FortMax/Sandbox]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
: I still think it looks messy and prefer plain text. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
::Just for the sake of adding another opinion to the vote, I don't think the visuals are THAT messy. But I do think they're at times unreadable (RID), misleading (Classics), or anti-informative (Movie). In fact, I like having that sandbox page up just so it's clear why this topic should never come up again. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
== Stubs==

What up with stubs? Isn't there someone out there who can contribute information? i mean just today I wrote a new Defensor article and I need a ton of help with the info since there is so little to give.-Rodimusman22

:Stubs are a reminder that the article isn't complete and a plea for contributions. No offense, but you might want to consider following our style guide when creating articles and to be careful with your spelling, or you will just create more work for other people afterwards. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it's the first article I've ever written. And besides its not annoying to me because I like to help out however I can.-Rodimusman22

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Roadjammers

2008-02-28T08:55:09Z

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Why is their only fictional appearance in the description? This ain't the Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:47, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

:I assume they just totally lack any other appearance or relevance. I've seen other articles like this - though I can't recall what they are - and in such cases it seemed logical to me that, lacking any reason to internally disambiguate appearances or characterizations, the description could serve as the total article. To do otherwise seems to overcomplicate the article. Are there examples of doing otherwise? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

MediaWiki talk:Copyleft

2008-02-26T16:33:22Z

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"liscenting"? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"license" is my Kryptonite. It's a word I mispell in different ways every time I try it. That and "occur".{{unsigned|Derik}}

:So... you mean "licencing"? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::No, he means "licensing". Note how the other spellings are underlined in red in the Edit window by the wiki's auto-spellchecker.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::The wiki doesn't have a spell checker. That's the greatness of Firefox 2.0 you're seeing. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::So I do. Had troubles with the word myself. Thanks. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

MediaWiki talk:Copyleft

2008-02-26T16:30:15Z

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"liscenting"? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:20, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

"license" is my Kryptonite. It's a word I mispell in different ways every time I try it. That and "occur".{{unsigned|Derik}}

:So... you mean "licencing"? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 08:45, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::No, he means "licensing". Note how the other spellings are underlined in red in the Edit window by the wiki's auto-spellchecker.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::The wiki doesn't have a spell checker. That's the greatness of Firefox 2.0 you're seeing. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::So I do. Had troubles with the word myself. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 16:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

MediaWiki:Copyleft

2008-02-26T08:45:30Z

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"[[Wikipedia:Copyleft|Copyleft]]" is a copyright-licencing method wherein the 'copylefted' content is released for unlimited republication, reuse, modification and redistribution without attribution tot he original creator... provided that those redistribution and modifications are also released under identical copyleft license. "You can use my material for anything, you want, but so can anyone else, ''and'' anyone can use anything ''you'' created based on this material."

Copyleft is less militant than many [[Wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] licenses, many of which require that content not appear in commercial products or attach attribution clauses.
==Copyleft on {{SITENAME_SHORT}}==
Images wholly owned by the uploader (for all practical purposes this will almost always be pictures of toys they took themselves) can be released for use and re-use under a variety of terms. Copyleft is one of these options.

But really, we'd prefer you just release it to the public domain. It's so much ''easier''.

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MediaWiki talk:Copyleft

2008-02-26T08:45:16Z

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MediaWiki talk:Copyleft

2008-02-26T08:20:33Z

Sntint: New page: "liscenting"? --~~~~

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Razorclaw (Universe)

2008-02-26T07:44:37Z

Sntint: /* 3H Universe Comics */ As per Jackpot.

{{disambig3|Razorclaw}}
:''Razorclaw is a [[Minion of Unicron]] from the [[Universe]] conflict.''

[[Image:Razorclawtfu.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Know that I am Razorclaw!]]

Know that he is '''Razorclaw''', that his reality is not yours, and while he may resemble [[Tigerhawk_(BW)|Tigerhawk]], Razorclaw is not he! This alternate version of Tigerhawk was corrupted by the [[Vok]], and he killed his universe's [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. When [[Unicron]] abducted him from the multiverse, the Dark God gained a general who commands the full spectrum of the Vok's elemental powers. Razorclaw oversees the [[Cauldron]], which is an arena deep inside Unicron where time-tossed combatants from across the multiverse fight. He harbors a special hatred for [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], his former commander.

His [[spark]] is binary -- it consists of the Sparks of an alternate universe's [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]]. Time will tell if their noble influence can push to the surface.

==Fiction==
===''Universe''===

====CD-ROM====
Razorclaw followed [[Reptilion]] in battle against [[Optimus Primal]] and his Autobots and initially took on [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] before teaming up with [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] to attack [[Striker]]. Afterwards, he was abducted by Unicron. {{storylink|Universe CD-ROM}}

====3H Universe Comics====
[[Image:Razorclawtfubeast.jpg|left|thumb|Seriously, my name is Razorclaw. I'm just going to keep on repeating it.]]
A group of [[Maximal]]s and [[Autobot]]s were abducted from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into the belly of Unicron. They were marched into the Cauldron and paraded in front of Razorclaw and his lieutenants [[Reptilion (TFU)|Reptilion]] and [[Obsidian (TFU)|Obsidian]]. Razorclaw explained who he was and locked the Autobots and Maximals away, telling them to prepare for battle. {{storylink|Abduction}}

While [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] were forced to battle in the arena, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] broke in and fought Razorclaw. Mistaken for Tigerhawk at first, Razorclaw quickly corrected him. Razorclaw's Vok-powered attacks were merely fuel for Primal's body, and Razorclaw was temporarily subdued. All of the prisoners contained within the Cauldron were released, and though Razorclaw and his lieutenants pursued them, Primal led nearly all of them to safety. Only [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and [[Shadow Striker]] stayed behind, seduced by Unicron's influence. {{storylink|Escape}}

===Fun Publications Cybertron comics===
[[Optimus Prime (RiD)|Optimus Prime]] recalled how Unicron and his minions are defeated, but Razorclaw was conspicuously absent. His fate, benevolent or otherwise, is unknown. {{storylink|Revelations, Part 2}}

==Toys==
===Universe===
* '''Razorclaw''' (Ultra, 2003)

:Razorclaw is a dark gray and purple [[redeco]] of [[Transmetal 2]] [[Tigerhawk (BW)|Tigerhawk]], transforming into a winged mechanical/organic tiger. In both modes he features multiple spring-loaded missile launchers. His feather-missile launcher mechanisms were slightly [[retool]]ed from the original version of the toy. Though his toy is a [[Decepticon]] by allegiance, it keeps its sculpted Maximal logo.

==External Links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Razorclaw/razorclaw.htm Razorclaw at TFU.info]

[[Category: Decepticons]]
[[Category: Maximals]]
[[Category: Minions of Unicron]]
[[Category: Turncoats]]
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Talk:Bulkhead (Animated)

2008-02-26T07:41:27Z

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What kind of vehicle is he? Military obviously...
:Some kind of futuristic military transport, looks like. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:: Hmm, good is your answer, yes Yoda! -[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 19:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::: I think he's a Herkimer Battle Jitney. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 20:34, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

== First whose missile won't be lost? No. ==

Tarantulas, Blackarachnia, and 20 Anniversary Tarantulus, all from Beast Wars, has missiles that were attached to strings. Bulkhead will only be fourth, second if you only count individual molds. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C.V. Reynolds]] 10:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks, I've edited the entry to delete the reference to being the first. If there's one thing I cannot abide on this wiki, it's inaccurate toy sections. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:43, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::For that matter, it takes ''talent'' to lose Movie Scorponok's "missile".--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:25, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::"Power Hook" FAB Prime. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
:There's also the Japanese 10th anniversary Blackarachnia. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:29, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
::And unofficially, Movie Leader class Megatron's flail if you restore the spring in the forearm. Again, unoffically. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

==Chair kibble==
Does anyone know if any of the toys kibble can make a chair? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:09, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
:Depends on the toy. I ''think'' the Voyager might, but I'm pretty sure the Leader doesn't.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

===Animated?===
Is it necessary for the title to have Animated in parenthesis when there is no Bulkhead in any other continuity?[[User:Thatother1dude|Thatother1dude]] 00:12, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:[[Bulkhead (Energon)]] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, it's just that "Bulkhead" redirects to this page instead of disambiguation. Should I change it so it does?[[User:Thatother1dude|Thatother1dude]] 07:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:::No. Animated Bulkhead is arguably more significant than Energon Bulkhead. As per our [[Help:Disambiguation|disasmbiguation policies]], "Bulkhead" should redirect to the Animated character. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 07:41, 26 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Rattrap (BW)

2008-02-26T07:35:32Z

Sntint: Added FK Rattrap pic, modified template description.

{{picsneeded|<strike>Not</strike> ''Only'' a single damn toy-image there!}}

:''Rattrap is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Rattrap-S1.jpg|right|thumb|300px|"We're all gonna die."]]

It's not so much that '''Rattrap''' is a coward... he just doesn't want to die. He's seen enough battles to know the score, so he's not afraid to tell his commanding officer to shove it if he's not fond of the odds. He prefers to sneak around unseen, in gutters or trenches or trash barges or what have you—whatever keeps him out of harm's way. He shouldn't be so worried. When he does encounter conflict, he deals with it masterfully with the arsenal of guns and bombs he keeps on himself at all times. He feels naked without them.

It's hard to like Rattrap, especially if you're his commanding officer. He's sarcastic, irreverent, and rude. Plus he smells (''why'' he smells is a mystery). He's also not the most trusting or forgiving sort, so he's not the best choice to take on a diplomatic run. He'd sooner shoot a [[Predacon]] or [[Decepticon]] than talk to him.

:''Italian name'': '''Rattilus''' 
:''Japanese name'': '''Rattle'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===

He was the best miner in the Vespa system.

====''Timelines: Dawn of Future's Past''====
[[Image:timelines-rattrap.jpg|left|175px|thumb|Pre-Earth Rattrap wears a helmet to cover his brain!]]
While preparing for an exploration mission on board the [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']], the Maximal who would later be called Rattrap and [[Cheetor|his young companion]] were stuck aboard a space station for weeks, running various errands before their mission could officially begin. After acquiring additional [[Energon]] for their trip, they returned to the ''Axalon'' where their captain, [[Optimus Primal]], notified his crew they had to travel first to the [[Alpha Quadrant]] to rid themselves of [[Rampage (BW)|some mysterious cargo]].

In the middle of Rattrap's objections, the ''Axalon'' was contacted by the [[High Council]]. The [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]], a historic Maximal artifact, had been stolen by a rogue group of [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] led by a Predacon criminal who had dubbed himself [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. As the ''Axalon'' was the closest ship with the capabilities to take down the [[Darksyde|Predacons' stolen ship]], Rattrap and his team were ordered to pursue.

However, before long, their ship was attacked by a mysterious ship (piloted by secret Predacon operatives [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], though unknown to them). After taking some damage, Rattrap was elated to see the ''[[Chromia 10]]'', a second ship, arrive and help deter their unknown attackers. However, the ''Chromia 10'' and its pilots were severely damaged in the scuffle before Rattrap was able to destroy the unknown Predacon ship with the ''Axalon''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s forward guns.

The battle over momentarily, Rattrap's ship was hailed by Megatron's, and the Predacon criminal introduced himself quickly to them before his ship opened fire on the Maximals. The ''Darksyde'' disappeared through a [[transwarp]] portal, and Rattrap and the Maximals followed. {{storylink|Dawn of Future's Past}}

====''Beast Wars''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Kappei Yamaguchi]] (Japanese), [[Orlando Viggiani]] (Portuguese)

Rattrap was a crew member of the exploration ship [[Axalon (BW)|''Axalon'']] when captain [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] got word that the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] criminal [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had stolen the [[Golden Disk]] and a [[Darkside|ship]] with [[transwarp]] capabilities. The ''Axalon'' was the closest vessel that also possessed a transwarp drive, so Rattrap's ship was sent to engage them. After following the Predacons through a transwarp portal and appearing above a mysterious planet, both ships were damaged in the ensuing space battle, and before both ships crashed into the planet's surface below, the [[stasis pod]]s carrying the rest of Rattrap's crew were ejected into orbit.

[[Image:BWPart1_coverfire.jpg|thumb|right|That's what friends are for!]]

The planet was rich with [[energon]]—so much so that prolonged exposure would short out their bodies. The Maximals and Predacons were forced to take organic forms from the local creatures; Rattrap took the form of a (very oversized) rat.

Rattrap was old friends with Rhinox, but was annoyed to be stuck on an unknown planet with a young, inexperienced captain. He continually second-guessed Optimus Primal's command decisions, which made him few friends. Rattrap especially disliked Primal's decision to allow the Predacon [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] to join their team, and he made sure to let everyone within earshot know about it.

Rattrap got a taste of his own medicine when Primal went semi-missing in action. Contacting the Maximal base, Primal named Rattrap the group commander in his absence. After a moment of initial indecision, Rattrap commanded capably in Primal's absence (even earning Dinobot's grudging respect). When Primal returned, he offered his compliments as well. Rattrap's response: "Eh, command's a pain in the tail, especially with this pack of hyenas. You can keep it!" {{storylink|Chain of Command}}

[[Image:Rattrap_beast_mode_s1.jpg|thumb|left|Rattrap shares his armpit aroma with us.]]

Over time, Rattrap grew to respect his commander grudgingly, with the earliest glimmers showing through when Primal and Rattrap infiltrated a flying mountain that was loaded with supercharged Energon. Primal bravely distracted a super-powered Terrorsaur while Rattrap planted explosives to destroy the mountain. Optimus then got them both off of the exploding mountain with a fearless beast-mode leap off the edge, which ended with them dangling in the treetops far below. Rattrap commented that Primal "did pretty good up there—but don't tell anyone I said so." This first compliment would grow over time, to the point that when Primal was lost in the explosion of the [[Planet Buster]], Rattrap forgot all other concerns.

Rattrap had a number of other adventures during the early era of the Beast Wars: rescuing Cheetor from Tarantulas's lair, nearly getting slagged by a clone of Dinobot, and going undercover as a turncoat. He accompanied Primal to the alien-built [[Flying Island]] and provided a crucial distraction that allowed Tigatron to destroy it during the ensuing battle.

[[Image:Coc getshorty.jpg|thumb|200px|right|"[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is [[FIBRIR|red]]!" "Maximal lies!"]]

Rattrap distrusted Dinobot and insulted him at every turn. Dinobot wantonly returned in kind, constantly bickering with the "vermin". Dinobot and Rattrap's arguments ranged from being a minor irritation at times to causing serious chaos in the Maximal ranks at others. Rattrap's taunts caused a berserk Dinobot to damage the control module of the newly activated Sentinel defense system, which promptly drove the Maximals out of their own base. Under the circumstances, Rattrap's rarely seen sense of nobility and fair play came to the fore; recognizing the predicament as his own fault, he immediately volunteered to stay inside the base and deactivate Sentinel. His considerable skills at infiltration and demolition allowed him to reach the central computer core and order Sentinel to stand down, though very nearly at the cost of his own life. {{Storylink|A Better Mousetrap}}

A second costly incident resulted when Rattrap and Dinobot were ordered to clear rampant wild bean vines growing outside the Maximal base. A prank by Rattrap quickly turned into a brawl between the two. Their struggle continued even when the Predacons launched a sneak attack, requiring Rhinox to exit the base to provide covering fire for them. Tarantulas used the distraction to inject Rhinox with an energon discharge virus, which eventually wore down his systems to the point of near-deactivation. Primal ordered Rattrap and Dinobot to find Tarantulas's lair and retrieve an antidote, commenting: "They'll either learn to work together or they'll destroy each other...right now, I don't care which."

Despite their differences, the two nevertheless admitted to a grudging friendship.

Along with Cheetor, Rattrap's body was mutated into a [[Transmetal]] form by the residual energies of the destroyed alien superweapon (whch he dubbed the [[Planet Buster]].)

In keeping with the somewhat fluid Maximal command structure, it was Rhinox who later stepped up to assume command after Primal was destroyed along with the Planet Buster, but when Rhinox went offline to search for Primal's Spark, Rattrap took command (though, by that point, Dinobot and Cheetor were his only remaining troops.) He also took the chance to move his possessions into Primal's quarters, which Primal found none too pleasing when Rhinox restored him to life.

Rattrap's relationship with Dinobot was sorely tested when when Dinobot temporarily returned to the Predacon side. For one long moment, as Dinobot was faced with a test of Predacon loyalty at Megatron's behest, Rattrap truly believed that Dinobot was about to slag him. But Dinobot proved unable to kill his erstwhile teammate; he instead turned on Megatron and rejoined the Maximals.

Rattrap was initially glad to have Dinobot back, but would still be giving him grief about his betrayal some while later—not the usual flippant insults, either, but genuine barbs that cut Dinobot to the quick. Rattrap's words helped motivate Dinobot into what would ultimately be his heroic final sacrifice to save the future of the human race. Rattrap arrived at the battlefield along with the other Maximals to find Dinobot damaged beyond recovery. His reaction was perhaps the strongest of any of the team. The two shared final words of both insult and reconciliation, Rattrap gingerly holding Dinobot's hand as he died. As Dinobot's spark left his body, Rattrap was the first to stand and, with utter sincerity, salute the fallen hero. {{Storylink|Code of Hero}}

After Dinobot's demise, his role as Rattrap's foil was filled to some extent by [[Silverbolt]] and later Depth Charge. Ironically, much of his conflict with Depth Charge had him berating the powerful renegade for refusing to be a team player with Primal's Maximals.

[[Image:Rattrap-slimpickins5.jpg|thumb|right|Rattrap fights to prevent Predacon infiltration, subversion, and pollution of the Maximals' precious [[Mech fluid|bodily fluid]]s.]]

When [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] arrived on prehistoric Earth with the ostensible mission of rescuing the time-lost Maximals, Rattrap was the first to greet him with harsh words and distrust. His fears and prejudices proved well-founded; Ravage betrayed the Maximals to join Megatron's side.

As Ravage's Transwarp cruiser attacked the ''Axalon'', Rattrap used his wheeled beast mode to launch himself out of the base and onto Ravage's ship. Tearing his way through its hull, he tossed a pair of magnetic bombs right into the hands of the startled Tarantulas, who could do nothing but scream as they blew him to bits and destroyed the cruiser's engines. Rattrap bailed out as the Transwarp cruiser crashed its destructive way to earth, having pretty much single-handedly saved the Maximals and their base from destruction.

The next day, as the Maximals tried to infiltrate the Autobot vessel the ''Ark'', Rattrap fired the shot that brought down the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s shields and—almost—gave the Maximals a chance to stop Megatron's last-ditch scheme to alter history.

When Blackarachnia turned against Megatron and assisted the Maximals in undoing the damage Megatron had wrought, Rattrap was not very sympathetic, nor was he particularly keen on Optimus's attempts at a peaceful resolution to a stand-off with Megatron inside the ''Ark''.

[[Image:rattrap-subaquatic2.jpg|left|thumb|Beast Noirs]]

As the Beast Wars dragged on and the Maximals relocated to defend their ancestors aboard the ''Ark'', Rattrap continued to carry out important missions for the Maximal side. Most notably, he manned a "[[subaquatic stealth vessel]]" built by Blackarachnia and salvaged the Sentinel command module from the watery wreckage of the ''Axalon''. The mission ended in failure, however, as Depth Charge's unintentional interference allowed the Predacons to seize the module. Later, when the Predacons captured the female proto-human Una to assist in constructing a massive energon disrupter cannon, Rattrap single-handedly rescued her.

When Megatron found the derelict ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' and used it to launch an attack on the ''Ark'', Blackarachnia found that Rattrap's sword-tail made a perfect power conduit... once she snipped off the tip. OW.

As the victorious Maximals left Earth in a refitted Autobot shuttle, Rattrap was more than surprised to learn that [[Dinobot II|old chopper face's clone]] was responsible for saving them, but very happy—they were going home, and they wouldn't have to see Megatron until after they got there, as he was strapped to the roof of their shuttle. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

Rattrap should have known that nothing was ever that easy for them.

=====Pride and Prejudice=====
Rattrap was possessed of many talents. He was, in his own words, "the best [Energon] miner in the Vespa system", "a stealth fighter, a master marksman, and a demolition expert", not to mention "your basic galactic hero type."

Despite Rattrap's world-weary range of experience, he still retained some deep-seated prejudices. He was loudly vocal in his distrust and dislike of both Ravage and, later, Blackarachnia, when those two Predacons joined the Maximal team: "The only thing worse than a stinkin' Pred is a stinkin' Decepticon." He was equally loud and unrestrained in his joy on occasions when the Predacons appeared to have been destroyed, even as the other Maximals took a more sober and cautious attitude.

Rattrap was not a bot of high culture; he spent a lot of his spare time playing video games, professed to prefer "watching things explode" over educational pursuits, and frequented the kind of establishment on Cybertron where "the servin' bots are walkin' around minus their torso plates." He had little remorse over flagrantly insulting [[Transmutate|those different from himself]].

====''Beast Machines''====
:''Voice actor'': [[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Katsuhei Yamaguchi]] (Japanese), [[Alexandre Moreno]] (Brazil)

[[Image:rattrap_bm_beastmode.jpg|thumb|right|In [[Jose Delbo]] world, he's only got one leg.]]

After the Beast Wars ended, the Maximals finally made it back to Cybertron, only to be shot down, hunted and attacked by legions of [[Vehicons|mindless tank drone Transformers]]. The drones unleashed a virus on the Maximals, devolving them back into their organic beast forms and erasing any prior memory of the event. Rattrap was hiding in a [[monorail transport|monorail car]] when Primal stumbled upon him. Primal's newfound intuition soon reunited the pair with [[Cheetor]] and [[Blackarachnia]]. Primal then led them to the ancient [[Oracle]] computer, which reformatted them into new, techno-organic bodies, curing the virus. In his new form, Rattrap became a large green rat with a "toolkit" on his back, containing such things as flashlights and computer ports. However, the reformatting changed them so that transformation now required a new level of emotional mastery and control, rather than a simple command code. The four Maximals found themselves alone on Cybertron, struggling to understand their new forms while waging war against an army of nonsentient drones controlled by Megatron.

Rattrap's inherently selfish and practical-minded nature worked strongly against him in the new conflict. While his comrades began to learn the new disciplines required for techno-organic transformation, Rattrap badgered Primal to "just give us the command codes already." He struggled in vain to learn the technique for some while. Trapped in beast mode and unable to participate fully in the Maximals' battles, he often became a liability under fire, causing friction in the Maximal ranks. He eventually resorted to using a counter-virus—a transformation enhancer designed by ''Megatron''—but it quickly caused his transform sequences to go berserk until it wore off.

[[Image:rattrap_bm_robotmode.jpg|thumb|left|I'm sinkin' into the bottom of the frame!]]

Rattrap finally managed to transform properly when motivated by a selfless concern for his companions...and immediately discovered that not only did his robot mode lack ranged weaponry, but he'd also interfered in an ambush that the other Maximals were planning. Their angry rejections of him afterwards drove him to seek "noisemakers" from the one source left on Cybertron: Megatron himself! Outfitted with a massive armored suit, he nearly came to blows with his fellow Maximals over this "deal with the devil" until Primal arrived and talked him down.

In time, Rattrap learned to make the most of his limits, expanding his abilities with inventive techno-gadgetry and creative weapons such as plant-bombs that ensnared Vehicons in instant-growth vines. His skills at infiltration, hacking, and covert movement ("take the sewers") proved even more useful in the urbanized environs of Cybertron than they had during the Beast Wars.

When [[Botanica]] joined the Maximals, she and Rattrap argued fervently, suppressing an attraction that soon surfaced and blossomed into love. When the Maximals were trapped aboard the [[Grand Mal]], the shields cut off Botanica's life-sustaining connection to Cybertron. To save her, Rattrap loaded her onto a lifebuoy and launched it through the ship's shields. The desperate action saved Botanica, but also allowed Megatron to learn the ship's shield harmonics, enabling the Vehicons to bring down the power-depleted vessel swiftly. Rattrap defended his actions to Cheetor and Primal: "I did what I had to do!"

[[Image:Rattrap_bm_treehugger.jpg|thumb|250px|right|A little man and a big plant.]]

Rattrap and Botanica fell while defending the techno-organic orchard that the Maximals had been nurturing beneath Cybertron's surface, and their sparks were collected along with the other Maximals' by Megatron's drones. When Primal's sacrifice triggered the reformatting of Cybertron, their sparks were freed and quickly returned to their bodies. As they witnessed the newly greened Cybertron and the restored population, Rattrap leapt joyfully into Botanica's arms. So he's a tree hugger. Deal with it.

{{note|Though his toy could be wheeled or bipedal in robot form, Rattrap was shown exclusively with wheels on the show.}}

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===Universe Featuring The Wreckers===
{{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}
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====''Universe''====
[[Image:rattrap_legs.jpg|left|thumb|Legs! Precious, beautiful legs!]]

Rattrap was among the Maximals gathered at Memorial Spaceport to greet the wayward [[Autobots]] [[Sunstreaker]], [[Sideswipe]], [[Trailbreaker]], [[Roulette]] and [[Shadow Striker]] back to Cybertron approximately one year after the reformatting of Cybertron. He welcomed Trailbreaker back in his own unique fashion (involving intoxicants, naturally). Seconds later, Rattrap bore witness as the five travelers were abducted by Unicron. {{storylink|Abduction}}

When Optimus Primal was restored to life and returned to Cybertron with the abductees, some of the Maximals voiced concerns that he might not be the same 'bot they once knew, but Rattrap vowed that this time, he was with Primal all the way.

Not long after, needing to blow off steam, Rattrap headed down to the [[Undercity]]. While firing off a blaster at nothing in particular, he was attacked on Cybertron by Blackarachnia, who had been abducted and corrupted by the Chaos Bringer. Rattrap noted that he'd never trusted Blackarachnia, and she replied that he was right not to do so. She was seconds away from delivering a killing strike, but Rattrap was saved by the recently resurrected [[Depth Charge]]. After the spider was driven off, Depth Charge started to leave. Rattrap pleaded with him that there was obviously something big afoot, but Depth Charge would not be swayed, taking his leave as the injured Rattrap passed out. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe comic)}}

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===Beast Wars Metals manga===
{{note|Though it picks up after the first season, the Beast Wars Metals manga is '''not''' in-continuity with the television series.}} [[Image:11rattrap.GIF|right|thumb|This is why Japan shouldn't touch the fiction. No, really, thanks, guys. We've got it.]]
While Rattrap retained much of his sarcastic, obnoxious nature in the Japanese dub of the TV series, he was played quite a bit younger or more childishly irritating.

To piggyback on the popularity of the ''[[Pokeformers|Pokemon]]'' phenomenon of the late '90s, or perhaps just to parody it, Rattrap's beast mode was redesigned to resemble ''Pikachu'' heavily for the ''Beast Wars Metals'' manga. While many characters received "humorous" redesigns for the manga, Rattrap's remains the most reviled.

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===Beast Wars Transmetals games===

===''Legends'' anthology===

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==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
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*'''Rattrap''' (Basic, 1996/1997)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-5'''
**''Accessories'': 2-part pistol

: Part of the first wave of ''Beast Wars'' product, Rattrap transforms from a large rat to robot mode with a spring-action, one-step transformation. His beast mode "shell" halves each hide a part of his handgun.

: In Japan, the initial releases of Rattrap were identical to the [[Hasbro]] version. At the very end of the Japanese ''Beast Wars'' line (early 1997), several toys were given altered decos to make them more show-like. For Rattrap, this mainly meant his robot-mode head got a humongous glob of shiny copper paint (that didn't really match his copper plastic in tone).

: This mold was also used to make [[Packrat]].

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*'''Rattle Vs Terrasaurer''' (Vs pack, 1997)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''VS-5'''
**''Accessories'': 2-part pistol

: In Japan, Rattrap was available both separately and in a two-pack with the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Terrorsaur (BW)#BasicV1|Terrorsaur]]. This set contained the pre-[[redeco]]ed versions; it is unknown if the copper-blob and painted-beak versions of the individual toys were also available in this manner.

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*'''Rattrap''' (Deluxe Transmetal, 1998/1999)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''C-43'''
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip

: Part of the second wave of Deluxe [[Transmetal]]s, Rattrap transforms from semi-organic robot to a robotic rat. He has a third "beast-vehicle" form, folding his hind feet up into the extending rear wheels, flipping up his front legs, and pulling out a pair of [[Exhaust port|exhaust pipes]]. (Eyuw, the smell!) His beast-mode tail becomes a whip for robot mode. Despite the show's portrayal, his hubcaps are not removable, nor does he have a handgun. Transmetal Rattrap is one of several toys notable for being subject to severe chrome-flaking over time.

: There is a minor variant to this toy: about midway through the production run, a small "catch" was added to the neck's swivel joint to lock his robot head in place in robot mode. This [[retool]]ed version was then used for all subsequent releases of the toy.

: For the Japanese ''Beast Wars Metals'' release, the chrome was given a much more maroon tone, among other minor deco changes. Also, the "RATTRAP" [[tampograph]] on his beast-mode back was changed to "CYBERTRON" with the [[Maximal]] [[faction symbols|faction symbol]].

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* '''Rattrap''' (Deluxe Transmetal, 1999)
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip

: The first store-[[exclusive]] Transformer in the ''Beast Wars'' line, Transmetal Rattrap was given a deep blue color scheme. He was only available as a Wal-Mart [[exclusive]], even having the Wal-Mart logo emblazoned on the bubble as part of the design.

: This toy was later [[retcon]]ned into a [[Packrat#WMTrivia|Transmetal form for Packrat]].

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* '''Metals Rattle Special Version''' (Pack-in Deluxe, 1999)
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip

: The Deluxe Transmetal Rattrap toy was given a white and orange deco and packed in with a 500-piece ''Beast Wars Metals'' jigsaw puzzle from Central Hobby.

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[[Image:Rattrap_transmetal2000.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Not actually a black repaint.]]
* '''Rattrap''' (Deluxe Transmetal, 2000)
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip

: As part of the second "[[Fox Kids]]" Transmetals series, this version of Rattrap was one of the last releases in the original retail ''Beast Wars'' line. The toy got a more primary red color scheme, with bright gray robot bits and deep blue chrome.

: This toy was released in Japan as part of a [[JafCon]] convention exclusive set (without changes) along with the "Fox Kids" Transmetals versions of [[Airazor (BW)#TMFK|Airazor]] and [[Cheetor (BW)#TMFK|Cheetor]].

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===Beast Machines===
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* '''Rattrap''' (Happy Meal, 2000)

: Part of the ''Beast Machines'' McDonald's Happy Meal promotion, Rattrap transforms into a technorganic rat modeled more after the cartoon model than the toy. As such, his robot mode does not have normal legs, only extendable wheels. He is very suitable for the younger set, being made of softer plastic and having no removable parts.

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* '''Rattrap''' (Kids' meal, 2000)

: The McDonald's Happy Meal Rattrap was also released in Australia through the Red Rooster restaurant rai—uh, chain. Like the other three pieces used, it came in four color schemes: the original colors (with opaques replacing the transparents), a reversed red-with-green, a deep blue with very light blue, and a light blue with deep blue. These versions of the mould were retooled from the original, removing almost all arm articulation (and a step in the transformation) and reducing the number of parts and plastic colours used by the toy.

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* '''Rattrap''' (Mega, 2001/2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''BR-03'''
**''Accessories'': Tail-whip

: The last release in ''[[Beast Machines]]'' before that change to the "Battle for the Spark" packaging (reportedly, Rattrap was delayed for redesign purposes), Rattrap transforms into a large [[technorganic]] rat. In beast mode, turning his tail moves his head and ears. In robot mode, he has a flip-down visor and moving jaw. His robot legs can also fold up so he can use his wheels, which also have flip-out blades. His beast tail becomes a hand-held whip.

: This toy was later released as part of the [[Takara]]-exclusive ''[[Beast Wars Returns]]'' line, made available only at Japanese Toys "R" Us stores. So far, it appears that there are no notable differences between the Hasbro and Takara versions aside from packaging.

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===Beast Wars 10th Anniversary===
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* '''Rattrap''' (10th Anniversary, 2006)

: Part of the second wave of ''Beast Wars'' 10th Anniversary product, the original [[#TM1|Transmetal Rattrap toy]] was given a slight deco modification, mainly a brighter gray plus a Maximal sigil on his chest. He came with the right arm to the "build-a-bot" [[Trans-Mutate]], plus a DVD of the episode "[[A Better Mousetrap]]".

===Timelines===
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* '''Dawn of Future's Past''' (Multi-pack, 2006)

: "[[Axalon]] Rattrap" is a redeco of ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]], transforming into a Cybertronic motorcycle. Plugging a [[Cyber Planet Key]]—or in this set's case, a [[Golden Disc Key]]—into the rear portion of his bike mode flips out a pair of non-firing guns. This assembly detaches to form a hand-held blaster in robot mode. It's also worth noting that this is the only version of the ''Cybertron'' Ransack mold to have the "correct" rear wheel assembly position. He has his own "Golden Disc Key" to activate his gun.

: Rattrap came in a boxed 5-pack with "Axalon" versions of [[Optimus Primal #Timelines|Optimus Primal]], [[Cheetor (BW) #Timelines|Cheetor]], [[Rhinox (BW) #Timelines|Rhinox]] and "[[Darksyde]]" [[Dinobot (BW) #Timelines|Dinobot]]. This set was also made available as a bagged set in more limited numbers.

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==Merchandise==
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*'''Rattle''' (candy toy kit, 1997)

: Part of a set of four [[Kabaya]] [[candy toy]]s, this version of Rattrap, based on [[#Basic1|the original toy]], is an unpainted and unassembled plastic kit that transforms (and partially re-assembles) from rat to robot mode, though much smaller (and cheaper) than the original toy. It is cast entirely in grayish-tan and pale yellow plastics, as are the other three toys in the set: [[Dinobot (BW)#CandyToy1|Dinobot]], [[Cheetor (BW)#CandyToy1|Rattrap]], and [[Terrorsaur (BW)#CandyToy1|Terrorsaur]].

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* '''Beast Wars magnet set''' (1997)

: The original cast of ten from the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon was rendered in adorable [[super-deformed]] style for a set of magnets. Awwwww.

===Robot Heroes===
* '''Rattrap vs. Megatron''' (2008)
{{comingsoontoy}}

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==Trivia==
[[Image:Concept-Rattrap.jpg|right|thumb|Handi-capable!]]

* In an extremely strange precursor of things to come in ''Beast Machines'', Mainframe's original concept for Rattrap during ''Beast Wars'' was to capitalize on the exposed "brain" of the toy and make Rattrap a deeply flawed character. Originally, Rattrap's scanning and transformation technology was to fail, leaving him basically half-formed, with an exposed brain, wiring, "veins", an asymetrical body, arms of uneven lengths, and malformed organic sections in robot mode. On top of all that, he was hooked up to a "colostomy bag-like heating cable" to stress his need for life support. Rattrap's overall story arc would have been, of course, about him accepting and overcoming his near-fatal flaws. This approach was entirely nixed by the limits of CGI in rendering convincing organic innards at the time...and the fact that his model would have been massively far off from the actual toy probably also factored into it. However, the idea of a defective Transformer ''was'' later revisited in season 2 with the introduction of [[Transmutate]].

* On Transmetal Wal-Mart Rattrap/Packrat: According to [[3H]], they were on the phone discussing exclusives with their at-the-time Hasbro contact, when he (the Hasbro guy) realized that the not-yet-released blue Wal-Mart Rattrap could have been named Packrat. However, it was a few days too late to make the change without a massive production delay. Had he simply been looking at the right wall of his office a few days earlier, which had the Packrat/[[Fractyl]] box-set on it...

* At one point in the series, Rattrap says, "What in the name of my great-aunt [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] is going on!?" This is an in-joke referring to [[Susan Blu]], who was not only voice director on ''Beast Wars'', but the voice of Arcee in the [[Generation 1]] cartoon series and [[Transmutate]] in ''Beast Wars'' cartoon. {{storylink|Transmutate (Beast Wars episode)|Transmutate}} He was originally going to say the line again when he saw Transmetal 2 [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] (and she was to reply, "Not your great-aunt Arcee!") in the early script of "[[Crossing the Rubicon]]", but the lines were cancelled.

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==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/Rattrap/rattrap.htm Rattrap at TFU.info]

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AllSpark Power

2008-02-22T15:29:45Z

Sntint: Removing unrevealed toy information.

The '''Allspark Power''' line is part of the refresh line for the [[Transformers (2007)|Transformers film]] released in theatres in July 2007.

It is composed primarily of redecos of Movie figures. A handful of new molds will be made available.

All figures will have varying levels of "[[All Spark (Movie)|Allspark]] blue," a rather [[Neon|garish]] shade of bright blue.

==Toyline==

===Action Figures ("main" line)===

'''Movie Deluxe'''
*[[Stockade (Movie)|Stockade]]
*[[Cliffjumper (Movie)|Cliffjumper]]
*[[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]]
*[[Camshaft (Movie)|Camshaft]]
*[[Overcast (Movie)|Overcast]]
*[[Bonecrusher (Movie)|Jungle Bonecrusher]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Stealth Bumblebee]]
*[[Salvage (Movie)|Salvage]]

'''Movie Voyager'''
*[[Incinerator (Movie)|Incinerator]]
*[[Evac (Movie)|Evac]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|First Strike Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Offroad Ironhide]]

'''Movie Leader'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Nightwatch Optimus Prime]]
*[[Brawl (Movie)|Deep Desert Brawl]]

==Trivia==
*As of the Classics toyline (and carrying on to the Movie toyline) the "Ultra" pricepoint has been abolished. Whether this will continue to be the case for future lines remains to be seen, although Hasbro has stated a possible return to this pricepoint with Universe 2.

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Arcee (Animated)

2008-02-19T09:19:30Z

Sntint: rv: Please make your future edits conform to the standards of the English language.

{{disambig3|Arcee}}

:''Arcee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Arcee_Animated.jpg|right|300px|thumb|In Japan, I'm a secretary!]]

'''Arcee''' was an intelligence officer back in the War.

==Fiction==
===Animated===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Susan Blu]] (English), ? (Japanese)

Arcee was an Autobot intelligence officer during the [[Great War]]. She carried crucial access codes, but was damaged in the line of duty. [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] repaired her and tried to take her to safety, but the two were attacked by [[Lockdown]], who had been hired by the [[Decepticon]]s to bring her in.

Held prisoner within Lockdown's ship, Arcee insisted that Ratchet use his [[electromagnetic pulse]] tool to wipe the codes from her head. Lockdown overheard this and tried to stop the pair, but in the struggle the device overloaded and sent out a powerful burst. In the confusion, Ratchet and Arcee were somehow able to escape... but the EMP blast had wiped Arcee's memory clean. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}

Her current status is unknown.

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Talk:Blackarachnia (Animated)

2008-02-19T04:24:01Z

Sntint:

Ep 9 summary

Needs serious work

==New pics and Edits==

I'm uploaded some fine pics of the prototype, and made some minor edits... and it may look good on the page, but the edit page is a mess. Somebody, please, fix it! --[[User:Hepathos|Hepathos]] 21:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

==Caption==

In response to ItsWalky on 1/8/07, the problem with the caption is that if you don't know what "Goth Talk" is, then you have to read about it to understand the caption, and that kinda kills any momentum the joke might have going for it.
Also the fact that she doesn't really even look goth. Just spikey and purple.
: And the problem with the replacement caption is that if you don't know what "Come into my parlor etc" references, then you'd have to read about it to understand the caption! What is the difference? They are both references to things. The previous one was nice enough to provide a link, for those who don't know the reference. I don't see why that should be penalized. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

== Added her backstory ==

So, what do you guys think?

[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)Dynamus Prime
: I think you probably ruined the episode for a lot of people, since it aired not a few minutes on the east coast before you threw spoilers everywhere. Please use better judgment in the future. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:16, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::And the fact that you expect kudos for it is more than a little odd. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:51, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
: I think you're a butthole. Is that inappropriate flaming? If so, I redact it, and I think that that kind of behavior might be interpreted as having butthole tendencies. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:12, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
::''"I think you're a butthole"''...yeah, that's flaming. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:27, 16 February 2008 (EST)

=== Beast Mode ===
I'm guessing what's needed is a cleaner shot of ''Blackarachnia''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s beast mode, since we don't know what Elita-1's alt mode was...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah. That's why I put a comma after Elita-1. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
::I get it now, thanks. My at-a-glance parsing needs work.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

== Spoilers ==
I question the use of bold text for "Elita-1" in the summary, considering it is the line immediately after the spoiler tag. The theory behind the tag is that it will catch a person's attention before they begin reading the following text, and that it will thus be processed first so the person can turn away if they do not wish to be spoiled.
But the bold text for that name, I think, has the same attention-capture effect as the spoiler tag. Even though it's only a name, and bolding it might fit with the style guide (hm), I think some discretion might be in order here. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 04:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User talk:Detour

2008-02-18T14:38:26Z

Sntint:

Will you please stop? You've been going in the same fucking circle for what, hours? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

==Megatron joke==
The monsters in MMPR always started out human-sized. Then, at some point, Rita throws her staff down from the Moon shouting "Make my monster grow!". The staff lands in the ground and energy shoots out of it, making the monster enormous. The laser effects around Megatron's cannon in that picture look a lot like the staff. Here is a YouTube clip of it: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUelB-OSneY]. Honestly, it's not a big deal to me, but the old joke doesn't really make any sense in the first place. It seems to be a premature ejaculation joke to go along with his cannon firing, but it's not like there's anybody else in the picture for the innuendo to be complete. I think the observation our anonymous editor made about the resemblance to the staff is actually pretty clever. A rare instance of somebody changing a joke for the better, IMO. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:20, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Huzzah! I have a talk page now! Anyway, thanks for clearing it up... I didn't get the ressemblance of Bandora's staff to the laser blast effects of Megatron's cannons... At least I understood the previous joke, wasn't all that funny but it made sense without the explanation. -[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:54, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Re: ==

The user talk page should now be blocked globally. Is it custom to keep all user talk pages on this wiki, even if they're purely vandalism? [[User:GHe|GHe]] ([[User talk:GHe|Talk]]) 21:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, since blocked users can still write on their talk pages, the admins here from what I've seen have deemed it better to lock them then just deleting them and having them come back... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::It's possible to create a local blacklist to block creation of deleted pages locally. I'm not sure if one already exists here, but if not, the admins could easily create one if they're interested. I find that one of the downsides to having an existing page protected is that it eventually gets indexed into search engines, and that's not a good thing to have. [[User:GHe|GHe]] ([[User talk:GHe|Talk]]) 21:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't know much about that since I'm not an admin on this or any other wiki... I think there's a blacklist here, but you'd be better off taking up the matter with [[User talk:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] or [[User talk:Suki Brits|Skyblitz]] in regards to putting Assaulthead's numerous talk pages on it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:11, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== BAN? ==

May it be possilbe to ban this foul mouth canadain? I mean look at his past records this guy is Canadian that killed our troops and started the cold war.

Anyway here is a song for this canadian

*satiricaly comical song edited out because Assaulthead was too stupid to comprehend the satire in it.*

SABAZZ!
:Oh for the love of... he's ran out of nonsensical reasons to attack Walky and Skyblitz, so now he's picking on me just because I'm removing the useless content he adds? I'd really hate to see how this kid behaves in real life... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
:He's obviously xenophobic. You should have seen what he wrote on Moscow before it was deleted. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 00:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
::Xenophobic, sociopath, retarded, demented. There are a lot of adjectives that fit him. I just don't know what I've done to him that's so bad... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

== Revert Revert ==

Slaggit! This is like, the fourth time this has happened to me. I SPECIFICALLY checked with a preview when I was about to make the reversion, and it did NOT tell me any edits had been made since I'd started mine. Apologies for the confusion and annoyance, but I am definitely not doing this on purpose...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 23:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
:No worries. I know it wasn't your fault. I'm pretty sure this happened to me at least once as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks. That actually makes me feel a lot better about it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:23, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

==Treatment==
Hey, it's not uploaded anywhere anymore (but Don Murphy has no issues with us handing it around). I can send you the PDF, but I need your email. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

==Nunchakus==
His name is "Michelangelo". :) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 14:38, 18 February 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Dinobot (G1)

2008-02-15T06:34:15Z

Sntint: /* Generation 1 */ Wording.

{{disambig3|Dinobot}}

:''The Dinobots are an [[Autobot]] [[subgroup]] in [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. In some continuities, before they arrive on Earth, they are known as the '''Dynobots'''.''

[[Image:DinobotDreamwave1.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Call them the boy-band of the Autobots and prepare for a world of pain. From left to right: Sludge, Grimlock, Swoop, Slag and Snarl]]

The '''Dinobots''' are a rowdy, arrogant, lowbrow, disobedient band of warriors that some Autobots would rather scrap than deal with. They're also one of the most devastatingly powerful and close-knit combat units in the Autobot army. Most of them dislike [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], so whether or not they follow the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] depends on what those orders are. If it's to destroy stuff, they're down with that. If it's to help people, it kinda depends on what the weather is like.

The group's members are:
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (the leader)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (the bad boy)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (the dim one)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (the quiet one)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (the sensitive one)

and in one story:
*[[Paddles]] (the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Best "Pete Best"] one)

''In at least [[The Beast Within|one]] [[micro-continuity]], the Dinobots can combine to form a monstrous super-robot called [[Beast|the Beast]]. (Grimlock explicitly states that this is not the case in the Marvel UK continuity, though he has been known to stretch the truth.)''

=Fiction=
=== Marvel Comics continuity===

''The Dinobots in the Marvel comic were not created on Earth, as in the cartoon, but were a distinct and pre-existing unit of five Autobot soldiers who were aboard the ''Ark'' when it crashed to Earth. The comic Dinobots, while not exactly [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]-grade, were significantly more intelligent than their cartoon counterparts. (Their commander, Grimlock, served as overall Autobot Commander on more than one occasion.) However, they were not as strong as their cartoon counterparts, either.''

Shortly after the crash, the ''Ark'''s computer detected [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] landing on the planet in the [[Antarctica|Antarctic]] land-out-of-time that would one day become known as the [[Savage Land]]. The ''Ark'' used the last of its capabilities to revive these five warriors and rebuild them to transform into the Savage Land's dominant lifeform: dinosaurs. {{storylink|The Last Stand}} They were then dispatched to deal with the Decepticon, where they sank to the bottom of a tar pit and remained dormant until [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] revived them in the 1980s. {{storylink|Repeat Performance!}}

===Animated continuity===

[[Image:DinobotsG1.jpg|left|250px|thumb|From left to right: Terrible Dactyl, Stego, Bronto Thunder, Tricero and Ghengis Rex, or: "We need Dinozord Power, now!"]]

''Built on [[Earth]] by [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], the Dinobots were a subgroup of Autobots with great physical power but very limited intelligence. Early on in the cartoon they are played as very dangerous (though dim) wildcards, whose great power makes them a huge advantage to the Autobots when they can be persuaded to cooperate. However, begining with Transformers: the Movie and in the third season after that, the Dinobots are portrayed almost exclusively as comic releif: goofy childlike morons whose (arguably even greater) stupidity made them a detriment to be babysat, rather than an advantage to be courted. No in-continuity reason for this shift in their mentality is ever given, though it has been the subject of fan speculation.''

They were modeled after the dinosaur fossils that [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] found in the volcanic caves near the [[Ark]]. Grimlock, Slag, and Sludge were built first. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}} After some initial troubles, their performance pleased Optimus Prime enough that he had two more built, adding Snarl and Swoop to the ranks. {{storylink|War of the Dinobots}}

[[Image:GrimSlagSludge.jpg|right|250px|thumb|The Three Dinobots, immediately after accidentally killing the Invisible Swordsman.]]

The Dinobots' role was simply to pulverise anyone or anything that was too strong for the Autobots to handle on their own. In the process, they frequently mouthed off, rebelled and started brawls inside of Autobot Headquarters (and the occasional [[Trypticon|dinosaur-shaped city]]).

At one point, the Dinobots became sick of only being used as the hammer of the Autobot army, so they deserted, saying that they would fight when ''they'' wanted to. However, the Dinobots were called in when the Autobots and the Decepticons began suffering from [[Cybertonium]] depletion. During the battle with the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s, they were accidentally sent to Cybertron, where they briefly reduced [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] to the role of chew toy. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} However, Shockwave altered the Dinobots' memory circuits and forced them to work in the [[Cybertonium Pit]]. [[Spike Witwicky]] and [[Carly]] managed to rescue them, and the Dinobots decided to follow Optimus Prime's orders...until such time that they decided not to do so. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}

During the [[Battle of Autobot City|Battle]] of [[Autobot City]], the Dinobots were dispatched to defeat [[Devastator]]. Despite their incredible strength, Devastator manhandled them. During [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s subsequent attack, [[Kup]] and [[Hot Rod]] literally had to drag them aboard the shuttle, which was shot down over [[Quintessa]]. The Dinobots managed to avoid being captured and met [[Wheelie]], who helped them find Kup and Hot Rod. Later, the Dinobots literally kicked the butt of [[Unicron|a god]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie|TFTM}}

{{note|The Dinobots' creation is the source of a continuity clash in the cartoons. See below for more.}}

===The Beast Within continuity===
The Dinobots [[Combiner|combine]] into the [[Beast]] to fight the Decepticons, but the Beast is so savage and kill-crazy that the Autobots have to kill it. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}

''This story is regarded in [[fandom]] as being one of the nadirs of Transformers fiction and as completely messing up the chance to show a Dinobot combiner.''

=== Dreamwave Comics continuity===
[[Image:ScrollDinobots.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A Dinobot by any other name would still kick your ass ]]
It was established that Grimlock once commanded a splinter faction of Autobots known as the [[Lightning Strike Coalition]], which included the pre-Dinobots. It was also established that following this, these five robots used the Cybertronic designation "Dynobots".

The Dynobots traveled to Earth separately from the rest of the Autobots. Grimlock emerged on his own, and the ''Ark'' Autobots found him battling the [[Insecticons]]. The fate of the other Dinobots was unknown, but somehow Megatron had captured them and kept them in stasis in a secret base. After being freed, they traveled to Cybertron and helped liberate it from Shockwave's control.

===Devil's Due Continuity===

The Dinobots were originally five present day Autobots who were sent back in time, and reformatted into dinosaurs. When GI Joe traveled back in time, they recovered the Dinobots, who proceeded to beat Shockwave's Decepticons three ways from Sunday.

===''Legends'' anthology===
The story "Paddles" features a sixth Dinobot of the same name. This is also the only appearance of the character. {{storylink|Paddles}}

=== IDW Comics continuity ===
Before the Great War, Grimlock and the Dynobots were amongst the gladiatorial teams that competed in the [[Forge]]. When Megatron put out a call for combatants, the Dynobots were amongst those who were shown grudging respect by the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]]s as opposed to the remainder of the "amateurs" in the crowd.

Eons later, the Dynobots followed [[Shockwave (G1)]] to prehistoric Earth on a revenge-fueled crusade. The planet's energon fields forced them to take on the forms of the local animal life. Thus protected, they attacked Shockwave on the surface. The battle ended with the six robots buried in molten lava. They were later unearthed by a human archaeological dig {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}} which was taken over by government agents. {{storylink| Escalation, Issue 5}}

== Toys ==
===Generation 1===
* Dinobots (1985)
The five Dinobots were sold individually in boxed packages from 1985 to 1986. They featured a uniform color scheme of red for their die-cast metal parts, black plastic for legs and forearms, smoky translucent for [[Pre-Transformers|remnant cockpits]], and golden metalized plastic highlights depicting machine details. Most had fairly good articulation for G1 toys; only Slag had the conjoined foot-base common to many of the automobile-based Transformers in G1.

* Grimlock (Pretender, 1989)
A much smaller and simpler version of Grimlock, with a Pretender shell.

* Action Masters (1990)
Both Grimlock and Snarl were given new toy forms as part of the Action Masters line.

===Generation 2===
* Dinobots (1993)
The original toys of Grimlock, Slag and Snarl were reissued in new colors.

===Beast Wars===
* Grimlock (Deluxe, 1997)
A redeco of [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]].

===Alternators===
* Grimlock (2005)
He turns into a 1/24th scale car.

===Classics===
* Swoop (Mini-Con Dinobots Team, 2006)
A new mold for the original character, alongside two new-character teammates.
* Grimlock (Deluxe, 2006)
A new mold based on his original design, with an updated dinosaur mode.

===Other===
* The 2003 [[Dinobots (toyline)|Dinobots]] subline, a Wal-Mart exclusive, reuses most/all of the G1 Dinobots' names. In the absence of any [[bio]]s or fiction, however, it is unclear if they are meant to represent the same characters.
* The 2005 Grimlock & Swoop two-pack was originally intended to portray the G1 characters, but ended up as part of the [[Energon (toyline)|Energon]] toyline instead, representing new characters.

== Items of Note ==
* The Dinobots are the first Transformers whose creation is shown in the cartoon. It seems simple enough: The Autobots simply construct their bodies, flick the switch, and they're animate. Wheeljack later upgrades their brains, after which they display sentience. However, the later episode "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]]" heavily implies that there's no way to bring a Transformer to life without the use of the supercomputer Vector Sigma. Still other episodes would show the creation of Trypticon and the Technobots without the use of Vector Sigma. For more on this issue, see the separate article ''[[Reproduction]]''.

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[[Category: Combiner teams]]
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User talk:DeCarta

2008-02-14T23:31:24Z

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Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

2008-02-14T12:35:44Z

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Talk:Vacuum metallizing

2008-02-14T12:33:30Z

Sntint:

==And... Rad (G1)?==
To start off, I thought it was kind of cute how every instance of "god" linked to Primus.
That said, do we want to be linking to AM Rad at the end of the sentence "When new, though, it looks totally rockin' cool awesome and rad."? It looks like it was put in there explicitly for the joke, although Rad has no chrome to speak of. I think it's a little more forced than god=Primus. Agree/disagree? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 06:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
:You're right. Rad White is totally radder than Rad. Racer. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:43, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
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Getaway

2008-02-14T12:31:31Z

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:''Getaway is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1Getaway_boxart.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Magnum Foreshortening]]

'''Getaway''' is an escape artist without compare. He's cool-headed and logical under even the craziest, most dire circumstances and that lets him figure his way out of even the trickiest surprise or sneek attack. His reputation for cool-headed escapes is legendary, dating all the way back to the infamous [[Armornecking Incident]] on [[Cybertron]]. His [[Nebulan]] [[Powermaster]] partner is [[Rev]].

Getaway has an escape kit concealed within a hidden compartment in his heel that he can reach even when bound.<ref>Seen in [[Prime Bomb!]]</ref>

:''French-Canadian name'': '''Fugitif'''

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity.===
====Generation 1====
:''('''Note''': Events in italics occurred only in the Marvel UK books.)''
[[Image:Getaway manacles.jpg|thumb|left|100px|"Now, I will disarm the missiles with both hands tied behind my back..."]]

Getaway was part of the skeleton crew situated on board [[Steelhaven]] when [[Goldbug]] appropriated the ship to go to [[Nebulos]] in hopes of reviving [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. They made contact with a friend of the old Nebulan [[Headmaster]] leader [[Galen]] named [[Hi-Q]], but found that Nebulans had developed an acceptable level of robo-phobia after the Transformers nearly decimated their civilization last time. Hi-Q had lead a research project which detonated a bomb in the atmosphere, spreading a molecular revisioning agent that converted all fuel supplies on Nebulos into a type poisonous to Transformer life. The poisoning passed the "acid test" when a pair of Decepticon vagabonds named [[Darkwing]] and [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] came to Earth looking for [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s army, and ended up poisoning themselves on local fuel and being rendered inert. Unfortunately, a jealous assistant named [[Hi-Test]] stole and modified a new form of bio-mechanical engineering, enabling him and his partner [[Throttle (G1)|Throttle]] to [[Binary bonding|binary-bond]] with the Decepticons and restore them to functionality, bringing Nebulos once more under Decepticon attack.

Hearing this story, Getaway and his fellow Autobots attempted to stop the Decepticons, but proved a poor match for these new Powermaster warriors in their weakened condition. Hi-Q and his staff came to respect the Autobots for their devotion to repairing their fallen leader and determination to protect the very people intent on poisoning them if they stayed on Nebulos. They chose to undergo the same Powermaster Process that Hi-Test did, and Getaway was binary-bonded to [[Rev]], one of Hi-Q's aides. Through this transformation, the Autobots succeeded in restoring Prime to functionality and driving the Decepticons off of Nebulos. Their new Nebulan partners chose to return to Earth alongside Getaway, Prime and the others.{{Storylink|People Power}}

''Getaway was captured by the Decepticons aboard [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok's]] orbiting spacecraft where both he and Rev were imprisoned in energy manacles and throw in the brig. Getaway, who had added a credit card (probably a Blackrock card) to his escape kit after hearing stories about humans using them to open locks, used the card to block one of the Energy Bars, which were tuned to fry metal, not plastic. Contorting his body, he hooked his ''shoulder wing'' through the gap he had created and touched the controls to shut off the beams.''

''Getaway retrieved the [[floppy disk]] the Decepticons had stolen and attempted to convince the [[A.B.C.]] missile computer not to launch a Decepticon smart bomb, unsuccessfully, before stealing an escape pod and returning to Earth. Though Getaway did not realize it at the time, His actions would indirectly save Optimus Prime's life.''{{Storylink|Prime Bomb!}}

Getaway was apparently killed during the [[Decepticon]]s' assault on [[Klo]], though presumably he would have almost immediately have been revived by the [[Last Autobot]].

In an alternate future of 2009, Getaway was one of seven surviving Autobots on Earth, possibly in the universe. Alongside [[Guzzle (Autobot)|Guzzle]] and [[Chainclaw]], he sacrificed his life to delay [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], keeping them busy so that his comrades could infiltrate the Decepticon base.{{Storylink|Rhythms of Darkness}}

===Dreamwave Comics continuity===
Getaway had a prominent supporting role in [[Dreamwave]]'s regrettably unfinished [[The War Within: The Age of Wrath]]. He made excellent bait.

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Getaway''' (Powermaster, 1988)

: Getaway transforms into a modified white Mazda RX-7 FC3S. This toy was sold in Japan as [[Lightfoot]].

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/Getaway/getaway.htm Getaway at TFU.Info]

==References==
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Silverbolt (Fuzor)

2008-02-14T10:12:08Z

Sntint: /* Trivia */ Actually, that's not even true. Rhinox.

{{disambig3|Silverbolt}}{{picsneeded|Toys}}
:''Silverbolt is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Silverboltfuzor.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Strong, sleek, swift and stupid.]]

"Pure, strong, and fast," '''Silverbolt''''s sense of right and wrong is so overdeveloped his fellow Maximals wonder if his programming has a glitch. He speaks in platitudes that speak to chivalry, justice, and cheesy heroic ideals, and he has been known to give speeches that make even [[Optimus Primal]] roll his optics. His conviction is both his strength and his weakness. He sees the world in black and white (and no, that's not just because his beast mode is partly canine).

The only gray area for Silverbolt is [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]. His fierce love for the "evil" [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] causes him to question his preconceived notions of right and wrong. He was very proud of his ability to convert Blackarachnia to the Maximals, and, though most of the Maximals are skeptical of her loyalty to the cause and to him, he has nothing but faith in her.

{{quote|Though threatening your own comrade is no doubt business as usual in the Predacon guide to villainy... it is simply unacceptable behavior in ''my'' book! |Silverbolt, "[[Bad Spark]]"}}

:''Italian name'': '''Grifo''' 
:''Spanish-Mexican name'': '''Lobo Plateado''' 
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Vif-Argent'''

==Fiction==
===Beast Wars===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese), [[Bruno Rocha]] (Portuguese)

[[Image:BWSilverbolt_Blackarachnia_OptimalSituation.jpg|thumb|left|200px|MENNNNDOOOOOZAAA!!!]]

The explosion caused by the destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] sent all stasis pods crashing to Earth. Some pods' scanners were damaged in the shockwave and eventual crash landing, and the resulting in the Fuzors, a blend of two beast forms and the advanced Transmetal technology. {{Storylink|Aftermath}}

One of these Fuzors was the winged-wolf Silverbolt, whose neighbor was the violent, psychotic cobra-scorpion [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], the latter immediately picking a fight with the peaceful Silverbolt. The fight was interrupted by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] who tricked both Fuzors and recruited them into the Predacons. Silverbolt felt the faction's activation code and Megatron's orders to attack the passing [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] to be distasteful, to the furious punishment of the Predacon leader. Soon, he and the other Predacons faced the remaining Maximals in battle. {{Storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}

However, Silverbolt felt out of place with so treacherous and cruel a group. After witnessing Maximal compassion and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]'s own admission of defection, he made an important decision and joined the Maximals, saving the newly reborn [[Optimus Primal]] from Megatron. {{Storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}

Soon afterwards, while on patrol with the much more laid-back [[Rattrap]] (who spent alot of the time pointedly ignoring Silverbolt's lines of honor and virtue) , Silverbolt encountered the alluring Blackarachnia when [[Tarantulas]] and Quickstrike were attempting to set up a forward base. She was somewhat surprised by his complete refusal to strike her simply because she was a female, using it to her advantage to attack him. However, the Maximal had no such compunction against fighting the coarse Quickstrike. {{Storylink|Tangled Web}}

Soon, Silverbolt found himself reluctantly sneaking off to aide Blackarachnia in constructing a small airship out of the fallen Stasis Pod. When it was complete, she ran off at first word of the ''[[Ark]]'' being discovered, Silverbolt in tow. He pleaded with her to join the Maximals, and - even after shooting him in the thigh - refused to leave until she did.

When Megatron arrived, Silverbolt was the playing card to convince Blackarachnia to open the doors to the Ark and allow him inside. Soon after, When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was injured enough to cause the time storm, Blackarachnia used Silverbolt to put everything right, and defected to the Maximals soon after.

Most of the time thereafter, Silverbolt stayed by Blackarachnia's side, more than happy that the subterfuge was over. He was extremely pleased when Blackarachnia was converted fully into a Maximal (and a Transmetal 2, as well).

===Beast Machines===
:'''Voice Actor:''' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japan), [[Marcus Jardym]] (Brazil)

When the Maximals found themselves back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] running for their lives from armies of [[Vehicon]] drones, their memories of their past had been tampered with. Even [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] could not remember Silverbolt fully until she hacked into the memory backup on their ship.

[[Image:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|right|thumb|Sadly, this was the coolest Silverbolt would get in Beast Machines...]]

Blackarachnia began to suspect that Silverbolt's [[spark]] may be inside one of the Vehicon Generals. At first, she erroneously thought it was inside [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], but after a mishap with some technorganic goop, Silverbolt's spark was proven to be inside [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] (and Thrust turned out to be [[Waspinator]], whose amorous advances were tragically spurned by the arachnid chick). For a precious few moments, Silverbolt's consciousness was completely awoken within Jetstorm's body, reverting to his old personality, until the goop was absorbed completely and Jetstorm's [[shell program]] reasserted itself.

Obsessed with bringing Silverbolt back, she hounded Jetstorm, demanding he remember their shared love and return to the Maximals. Needless to say, Jetstorm was vexed by this. But when [[Rattrap]] created a gizmo that would help them transfer the stolen Transformer sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia stole it. Leading Jetstorm into the planet's organic core, she attached the gizmo to his back and trapped the Vehicon in a pool of the technorganic goop with her webs. After much screaming, reformatting, and brilliant light, Silverbolt was reborn as a condor, having scanned skeletal remains inside the cavern in the process.

[[Image:Silverboltbm.jpg|left|thumb|...for he later became the World's Deadliest Peacock!]]

Counter to Blackarachnia's expectations, Silverbolt was not pleased. Gone was the Maximal who exemplified honor and chivalry, replaced with only a desire for retribution and vengeance. "I was a fool back then," he frowns, "I ''believed'' in things." Distraught, Blackarachnia managed to convince him to come along with her to help rescue [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from inside [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s [[Grand Mal|Big Floating Head]], but Silverbolt did not accompany her for their friends -- he was not interested in them. He went to confront Megatron.

Megatron, seeing that his General had been reformatted into a Maximal, tried to seduce Silverbolt back to his side. Silverbolt was told he was a creature of honor who fought for just causes, and that Megatron gave Silverbolt not only a just cause (the technological purity of Cybertron), but also the power and strength to fight for that cause. Blackarachnia countered at every point, pleading with Silverbolt to remember their love and friendship. Silverbolt was not even paying attention to her, and finally answers Megatron bitterly: "You gave me ''nothing''." Silverbolt, with nearly insane fury, let loose a volley of feather bombs, disrupting Megatron from within. Cheetor and Primal were rescued, and Silverbolt was dragged away from the battle.

Slightly calmed, Silverbolt was later approached by Blackarachnia. He confided in her the real reason for his anger. It was not what Megatron had done to him, but that he was freed from his code of honor and he ''enjoyed'' the experience. He did not trust himself any longer. This did not deter Blackarachnia. She believed, no matter what, that Silverbolt had goodness in his heart.

As time went on, Silverbolt began to become more comfortable with his past. With the final defeat of Megatron and the reformatting of Cybertron, his old personality reemerged—only to ruin it by saying the corniest line he could think of. And more power to him.

===Universe===
====Pack-in/CD-ROM comic====
Silverbolt followed Optimus Primal in fighting against [[Reptilion]] and his Decepticon forces. He engaged [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] in combat, but was probably defeated by him as the latter moved on to fight [[Striker]]. After the Decepticons were abducted by Unicron's ship, Silverbolt asked his leader just what that thing was.

====3H Universe comics====
[[Image:Silverbolt_tfu.jpg|thumb|right|Angsty Redux]]

One year after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s Great Reformatting, five great Autobot heroes ([[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker]], [[Trailbreaker]], [[Shadow Striker]], and [[Roulette]]) returned home to a peaceful planet. Amidst a media blitz and celebration, Silverbolt, [[Blackarachnia]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Rattrap]] were among the Maximals to greet them.

However, what appeared to be celebratory fireworks struck Silverbolt and Blackarachnia and also the five Autobots. They were transported to the firey [[Pit]] deep within [[Unicron]], where all but Trailbreaker were rebuilt painfully into new bodies. Silverbolt was piece-by-piece reassembled into a version of his original [[Fuzor]] form.

Seeing an arena up ahead, the seven moved towards it, only to be attacked by a swarm of shape-shifting lava-like creatures. Silverbolt and the others were overwhelmed and taken into the arena (or, the [[Cauldron]]), where they were caged along with a multitude of Transformers kidnapped from across the multiverse.

During this time Blackarachnia was corrupted by Unicron to become one of his warriors. Silverbolt vowed to bring her back to the light again as she has done for him.

When the whole place went to pot after the formation of the [[Unicron Singularity]], Silverbolt escaped with the rest of the prisoners, taking Blackarachnia with him. Presumably they returned to their own time and universe.

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe Fuzor, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-41'''

: Part of the first wave of [[Fuzor]]s, Silverbolt transforms into a wolf with the wings, fore-legs and tail of an eagle. In either mode, pulling his tail activates a spring-loaded "wing flap" gimmick. Moving the wings far enough forward triggers their built-in spring-loaded missile launchers. Silverbolt's missiles are also designed to be held in his hands like clubs.

: For his Japanese release as part of ''Beast Wars Metals'', Silverbolt's silver was made much much brighter.

: This mold was used to make [[BotCon 1999]]'s [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]].

===Beast Machines===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2000)

: ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt now transforms into kind of a condor, dropping his wolf-bits. His wings have a snap-together feature, and the entire wing assembly detaches to form a hand-held shield-blade for robot mode. It is [[Scale|woefully out of scale]] with the other Maximals, making [[Blackarachnia]] look like she has a midget fetish...

*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-10'''

: In 2005, the ''Beast Machines'' toy was [[redeco]]ed for the [[Takara]] ''[[Beast Wars Returns]]'' series in a much more show-like purple color scheme. He was only available at Toys "R" Us stores.

===Universe===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe, 2003)

: A purple redeco of the original Fuzor toy and part of the very first assortment of ''[[Universe]]'' product, Silverbolt once again transforms into a wolf/eagle fusion. He retains all of his previous gimmicks. This version also adds an Autobot sigil to his tummy-gem.

{{-}}
==Trivia==
* In the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, Silverbolt was not portrayed as a stereotypical "Knight in shining armor" as he was in the West. Instead, his unique character quirk was that he was ''psychotically polite'' and always happy no matter what. Even in that one scene in [[Optimal Situation]] where he thought Blackarachnia was dead. [[Frag|F**k]]ers. He ended nearly every sentence in a loud, stressed '''"desu!"''' which made every sentence of his needlessly over-polite. Suiseiseki would be proud.

* Silverbolt's line in Beast Wars ("I think my name is... Silverbolt") mimics the original [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s first line.

* Many fans have taken to giving the ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt toy a four-legged "griffon" alt-mode rather than the official "condor" mode.

* According to various [[Hasbro]] representatives, ''Universe'' Silverbolt's colors (and those of pretty much the entire first wave of ''Universe'' product) were done by Hasbro employees from outside the ''Transformers'' team.

* Silverbolt's robot mode in Beast Machines was heavily designed after a traditional Japanese samurai.

* Silverbolt was the only Beast Wars character besides Megatron to completely change his animal form, first being a wolf/eagle hybrid, later becoming a condor.

{{-}}

==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm Silverbolt at TFU.info]

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Silverbolt (Fuzor)

2008-02-14T10:10:58Z

Sntint: /* Trivia */ No bullet?

{{disambig3|Silverbolt}}{{picsneeded|Toys}}
:''Silverbolt is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Silverboltfuzor.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Strong, sleek, swift and stupid.]]

"Pure, strong, and fast," '''Silverbolt''''s sense of right and wrong is so overdeveloped his fellow Maximals wonder if his programming has a glitch. He speaks in platitudes that speak to chivalry, justice, and cheesy heroic ideals, and he has been known to give speeches that make even [[Optimus Primal]] roll his optics. His conviction is both his strength and his weakness. He sees the world in black and white (and no, that's not just because his beast mode is partly canine).

The only gray area for Silverbolt is [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]. His fierce love for the "evil" [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] causes him to question his preconceived notions of right and wrong. He was very proud of his ability to convert Blackarachnia to the Maximals, and, though most of the Maximals are skeptical of her loyalty to the cause and to him, he has nothing but faith in her.

{{quote|Though threatening your own comrade is no doubt business as usual in the Predacon guide to villainy... it is simply unacceptable behavior in ''my'' book! |Silverbolt, "[[Bad Spark]]"}}

:''Italian name'': '''Grifo''' 
:''Spanish-Mexican name'': '''Lobo Plateado''' 
:''French-Canadian name'': '''Vif-Argent'''

==Fiction==
===Beast Wars===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese), [[Bruno Rocha]] (Portuguese)

[[Image:BWSilverbolt_Blackarachnia_OptimalSituation.jpg|thumb|left|200px|MENNNNDOOOOOZAAA!!!]]

The explosion caused by the destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] sent all stasis pods crashing to Earth. Some pods' scanners were damaged in the shockwave and eventual crash landing, and the resulting in the Fuzors, a blend of two beast forms and the advanced Transmetal technology. {{Storylink|Aftermath}}

One of these Fuzors was the winged-wolf Silverbolt, whose neighbor was the violent, psychotic cobra-scorpion [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], the latter immediately picking a fight with the peaceful Silverbolt. The fight was interrupted by [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] who tricked both Fuzors and recruited them into the Predacons. Silverbolt felt the faction's activation code and Megatron's orders to attack the passing [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] to be distasteful, to the furious punishment of the Predacon leader. Soon, he and the other Predacons faced the remaining Maximals in battle. {{Storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}

However, Silverbolt felt out of place with so treacherous and cruel a group. After witnessing Maximal compassion and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]'s own admission of defection, he made an important decision and joined the Maximals, saving the newly reborn [[Optimus Primal]] from Megatron. {{Storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}

Soon afterwards, while on patrol with the much more laid-back [[Rattrap]] (who spent alot of the time pointedly ignoring Silverbolt's lines of honor and virtue) , Silverbolt encountered the alluring Blackarachnia when [[Tarantulas]] and Quickstrike were attempting to set up a forward base. She was somewhat surprised by his complete refusal to strike her simply because she was a female, using it to her advantage to attack him. However, the Maximal had no such compunction against fighting the coarse Quickstrike. {{Storylink|Tangled Web}}

Soon, Silverbolt found himself reluctantly sneaking off to aide Blackarachnia in constructing a small airship out of the fallen Stasis Pod. When it was complete, she ran off at first word of the ''[[Ark]]'' being discovered, Silverbolt in tow. He pleaded with her to join the Maximals, and - even after shooting him in the thigh - refused to leave until she did.

When Megatron arrived, Silverbolt was the playing card to convince Blackarachnia to open the doors to the Ark and allow him inside. Soon after, When [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was injured enough to cause the time storm, Blackarachnia used Silverbolt to put everything right, and defected to the Maximals soon after.

Most of the time thereafter, Silverbolt stayed by Blackarachnia's side, more than happy that the subterfuge was over. He was extremely pleased when Blackarachnia was converted fully into a Maximal (and a Transmetal 2, as well).

===Beast Machines===
:'''Voice Actor:''' [[Scott McNeil]] (US), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japan), [[Marcus Jardym]] (Brazil)

When the Maximals found themselves back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] running for their lives from armies of [[Vehicon]] drones, their memories of their past had been tampered with. Even [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] could not remember Silverbolt fully until she hacked into the memory backup on their ship.

[[Image:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|right|thumb|Sadly, this was the coolest Silverbolt would get in Beast Machines...]]

Blackarachnia began to suspect that Silverbolt's [[spark]] may be inside one of the Vehicon Generals. At first, she erroneously thought it was inside [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], but after a mishap with some technorganic goop, Silverbolt's spark was proven to be inside [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] (and Thrust turned out to be [[Waspinator]], whose amorous advances were tragically spurned by the arachnid chick). For a precious few moments, Silverbolt's consciousness was completely awoken within Jetstorm's body, reverting to his old personality, until the goop was absorbed completely and Jetstorm's [[shell program]] reasserted itself.

Obsessed with bringing Silverbolt back, she hounded Jetstorm, demanding he remember their shared love and return to the Maximals. Needless to say, Jetstorm was vexed by this. But when [[Rattrap]] created a gizmo that would help them transfer the stolen Transformer sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia stole it. Leading Jetstorm into the planet's organic core, she attached the gizmo to his back and trapped the Vehicon in a pool of the technorganic goop with her webs. After much screaming, reformatting, and brilliant light, Silverbolt was reborn as a condor, having scanned skeletal remains inside the cavern in the process.

[[Image:Silverboltbm.jpg|left|thumb|...for he later became the World's Deadliest Peacock!]]

Counter to Blackarachnia's expectations, Silverbolt was not pleased. Gone was the Maximal who exemplified honor and chivalry, replaced with only a desire for retribution and vengeance. "I was a fool back then," he frowns, "I ''believed'' in things." Distraught, Blackarachnia managed to convince him to come along with her to help rescue [[Optimus Primal]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from inside [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s [[Grand Mal|Big Floating Head]], but Silverbolt did not accompany her for their friends -- he was not interested in them. He went to confront Megatron.

Megatron, seeing that his General had been reformatted into a Maximal, tried to seduce Silverbolt back to his side. Silverbolt was told he was a creature of honor who fought for just causes, and that Megatron gave Silverbolt not only a just cause (the technological purity of Cybertron), but also the power and strength to fight for that cause. Blackarachnia countered at every point, pleading with Silverbolt to remember their love and friendship. Silverbolt was not even paying attention to her, and finally answers Megatron bitterly: "You gave me ''nothing''." Silverbolt, with nearly insane fury, let loose a volley of feather bombs, disrupting Megatron from within. Cheetor and Primal were rescued, and Silverbolt was dragged away from the battle.

Slightly calmed, Silverbolt was later approached by Blackarachnia. He confided in her the real reason for his anger. It was not what Megatron had done to him, but that he was freed from his code of honor and he ''enjoyed'' the experience. He did not trust himself any longer. This did not deter Blackarachnia. She believed, no matter what, that Silverbolt had goodness in his heart.

As time went on, Silverbolt began to become more comfortable with his past. With the final defeat of Megatron and the reformatting of Cybertron, his old personality reemerged—only to ruin it by saying the corniest line he could think of. And more power to him.

===Universe===
====Pack-in/CD-ROM comic====
Silverbolt followed Optimus Primal in fighting against [[Reptilion]] and his Decepticon forces. He engaged [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] in combat, but was probably defeated by him as the latter moved on to fight [[Striker]]. After the Decepticons were abducted by Unicron's ship, Silverbolt asked his leader just what that thing was.

====3H Universe comics====
[[Image:Silverbolt_tfu.jpg|thumb|right|Angsty Redux]]

One year after [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s Great Reformatting, five great Autobot heroes ([[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker]], [[Trailbreaker]], [[Shadow Striker]], and [[Roulette]]) returned home to a peaceful planet. Amidst a media blitz and celebration, Silverbolt, [[Blackarachnia]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Rattrap]] were among the Maximals to greet them.

However, what appeared to be celebratory fireworks struck Silverbolt and Blackarachnia and also the five Autobots. They were transported to the firey [[Pit]] deep within [[Unicron]], where all but Trailbreaker were rebuilt painfully into new bodies. Silverbolt was piece-by-piece reassembled into a version of his original [[Fuzor]] form.

Seeing an arena up ahead, the seven moved towards it, only to be attacked by a swarm of shape-shifting lava-like creatures. Silverbolt and the others were overwhelmed and taken into the arena (or, the [[Cauldron]]), where they were caged along with a multitude of Transformers kidnapped from across the multiverse.

During this time Blackarachnia was corrupted by Unicron to become one of his warriors. Silverbolt vowed to bring her back to the light again as she has done for him.

When the whole place went to pot after the formation of the [[Unicron Singularity]], Silverbolt escaped with the rest of the prisoners, taking Blackarachnia with him. Presumably they returned to their own time and universe.

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==Toys==
===Beast Wars===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe Fuzor, 1998)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-41'''

: Part of the first wave of [[Fuzor]]s, Silverbolt transforms into a wolf with the wings, fore-legs and tail of an eagle. In either mode, pulling his tail activates a spring-loaded "wing flap" gimmick. Moving the wings far enough forward triggers their built-in spring-loaded missile launchers. Silverbolt's missiles are also designed to be held in his hands like clubs.

: For his Japanese release as part of ''Beast Wars Metals'', Silverbolt's silver was made much much brighter.

: This mold was used to make [[BotCon 1999]]'s [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]].

===Beast Machines===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2000)

: ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt now transforms into kind of a condor, dropping his wolf-bits. His wings have a snap-together feature, and the entire wing assembly detaches to form a hand-held shield-blade for robot mode. It is [[Scale|woefully out of scale]] with the other Maximals, making [[Blackarachnia]] look like she has a midget fetish...

*'''Silverbolt''' (Basic, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-10'''

: In 2005, the ''Beast Machines'' toy was [[redeco]]ed for the [[Takara]] ''[[Beast Wars Returns]]'' series in a much more show-like purple color scheme. He was only available at Toys "R" Us stores.

===Universe===
*'''Silverbolt''' (Deluxe, 2003)

: A purple redeco of the original Fuzor toy and part of the very first assortment of ''[[Universe]]'' product, Silverbolt once again transforms into a wolf/eagle fusion. He retains all of his previous gimmicks. This version also adds an Autobot sigil to his tummy-gem.

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==Trivia==
* In the Japanese dub of Beast Wars, Silverbolt was not portrayed as a stereotypical "Knight in shining armor" as he was in the West. Instead, his unique character quirk was that he was ''psychotically polite'' and always happy no matter what. Even in that one scene in [[Optimal Situation]] where he thought Blackarachnia was dead. [[Frag|F**k]]ers. He ended nearly every sentence in a loud, stressed '''"desu!"''' which made every sentence of his needlessly over-polite. Suiseiseki would be proud.

* Silverbolt's line in Beast Wars ("I think my name is... Silverbolt") mimics the original [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]'s first line.

* Many fans have taken to giving the ''Beast Machines'' Silverbolt toy a four-legged "griffon" alt-mode rather than the official "condor" mode.

* According to various [[Hasbro]] representatives, ''Universe'' Silverbolt's colors (and those of pretty much the entire first wave of ''Universe'' product) were done by Hasbro employees from outside the ''Transformers'' team.

* Silverbolt's robot mode in Beast Machines was heavily designed after a traditional Japanese samurai.

* Silverbolt was the only Beast Wars character besides Megatron to completely change his animal form, first being a wolf/eagle hybrid, later becoming a condor.

* Silverbolt is the only transformer in the Beast Era to fight for all three factions (Predacon, Maximal, and Vehicon) at least once.

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==External Links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm Silverbolt at TFU.info]

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Transmetal

2008-02-14T08:49:53Z

Sntint: /* Transmetal 2 */ The existing sentence allows the avoidance of the pluralization controversy altogether!

{{picsneeded|"Transmetals" logo}}

[[Image:Transmetal.JPG|thumb|300px|right|"Hey—I'm, uh, gorgeous!" "Hey, what about ''me''?!!"]]

A '''Transmetal''' is a (generally) [[Vok]]-related enhanced form of a [[Beast Wars]] era Transformer, featuring a "mutated superstructure" which seems to be made out of some kind of organic metal.

==Normal Transmetal==
[[Image:Depth_charge_tm.JPG|left|200px|thumb|Yep, he's a Transmetal too. That's what happens when [[transwarp|time itself]] gets messed with.]]

In beast mode, the Transmetals seemed almost, if not entirely, mechanical, much like the animal Transformers of the previous [[Generation 1]] franchise. However, as part of a partial "inversion", many of their robot modes bore organic elements, such as [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s furry chest. Transmetals also typically featured a third "mobility" mode. While not full vehicular modes, these half-modes gave aspects of a vehicle to the existing beast forms. Examples included Rattrap as a wheeled rat, Primal as a sky-surfing gorilla, Cheetor as a jet-powered cat, and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] as a VTOL hovercraft.
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===''Beast Wars'' animated series===
[[Image:Optimus_transmetal.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Brass monkey.]]

The Transmetals were created as a result of Transformers being bathed in a [[quantum surge]] after the destruction of the Vok [[Planet Buster]]. All the Beast warriors who were not "born" from a [[protoform]] on Earth or shielded in a [[CR Chamber]] were altered. (Why Earth-"born" Transformers were unaffected by the surge's effects is unknown.)

The affected characters were Megatron, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Rattrap]], and [[Cheetor]]. [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] were in the middle of their mutation when they fell into lava pits beneath the ''[[Darksyde]]'' and perished. [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]], and [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] also eventually became Transmetals as a result of the surge.

Most Transmetals had additional weapons and seemingly enhanced power levels. They were immune to many [[Vok]] weapons and possibly to the effects of [[energon]] radiation.

[[Image:Megs_transmetal.JPG|left|thumb|200px|Like the old Megs, but shinier.]]

This last point had little bearing on the plot, since most of the energon deposits on [[Earth]]'s surface had been destroyed or converted to stable [[energon cube]]s by the Planet Buster cannon. However, in "Tangled Web", Tarantulas is standing beneath an energon cache, completely unaffected. Meanwhile, in "The Agenda", the non-Transmetal Inferno suffers energon overload while attempting to kill Optimus Primal and Cheetor. So immunity to the radiation may be a permanent effect of the Transmetal body.

According to [[Ben Yee]], the Transmetals were originally conceived of by ''Beast Wars'' writers as "absorbing" energon radiation and then needing to discharge that energylater , typically as weapon energy.<ref>[http://www.bwtf.com/bw/tvshow/episodes/seasontwo/badspark/ Ben Yee's "Bad Spark" review]</ref> However, the only time this was hinted at in the series was during "[[Bad Spark]]", when Cheetor "farts" a little energon cloud.

The [[Fuzor]]s [[Silverbolt (BW) (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] and [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], like the Transmetals, were shown to be immune to Vok technology, seemingly possessing qualities of Transmetals.

===Toys===
In addition to the characters mentioned above, Transmetal toys were also produced for [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]], and technically [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. (The [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]] toy was initially intended to be his Transmetal form, and was so in Japan and the UK.) None of these appeared on the show.

Scorponok, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], though also not Transmetal in the show, were given their own Transmetal toys as Happy Meal pack-ins from McDonald's. [[Claw Jaw]] and [[Spittor]] were redecoed and sold as Transmetals in European markets with a VHS tape.

Initial Transmetal toys were not designed with guns, only melee weapons, contrary to the requirements of the animated series (kinda the opposite of the situation with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and co.'s toys vs. their comic book depictions). As a result, [[Mainframe Entertainment]] was forced to come up with creative solutions to give these characters ranged weapons without diminishing the newly increased [[Show-accuracy|toy accuracy]] of the show. Thus, [[Tarantulas]]'s handheld buzzsaw functioned like a gun and the green markings on his shoulders were depicted as missile ports, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s pincer/whip/flail/"whiplash cutlass" thing (read: he's holding his damn tail) gained the ability to stiffen and fire like a cannon, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s hideous hands were capable of firing energy blasts, although only when placed together and thus temporarily making the halves of his beast-mode head whole, with the zaps emanating from its mouth (a pose impossible to achieve with the figure without unhinging the shoulders from the sides.)

Even more elaborate was the functional reconceptualization of [[Optimus Primal]]'s toy, whose hoverboard thruster/mace launcher was used as a laser pistol. Not content with this rather puny-looking firearm, some clever cove at Mainframe noticed that his shoulder-pad and mace-stowing bracket thing could be flipped over his head (a function of his transformation) and improperly positioned in such a way that the long handles of his dual maces pointed outwards like gun barrels and, with the shoulder-pads positioned over his outstretched fists like trigger-guards, the whole device was re-imagined as something resembling two Gatling guns mounted on a steadicam harness.

The only exception to these exotic re-imaginings was [[Rattrap]], who used his tail/whip/spear as intended but also retained his pre-Transmetal gun (albeit with a redeco to suit his new color scheme), despite the fact that the toy did not.

As an odd point of comparison, the later Transmetal [[Optimal Optimus]] (although he was never really identified as such) ''was'' packaged with a rifle, which he never used in the show.

==Transmetal 2==
[[Image:Ba_transmetal2.JPG|left|thumb|200px|This lasted like three episodes. Then Megatron got his [[Transformation_lock_virus|new invention]] all over it.]]
Near the end of the series, a new breed, known as the '''Transmetal 2''' appeared. These new forms blurred the line between the mechanical and the organic even further, with equal parts of both appearing in both modes in an asymmetrical patchwork-like jumble. This often resulted in somewhat monstrous-looking designs.
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===''Beast Wars'' animated series===
[[Image:Dinobot2-postcard.jpg|right|150px|thumb|Pose!]]
Within the context of the television series, the idea of a Transmetal 2 was somewhat vague. Only Cheetor, [[Dinobot II]], and Blackarachnia were definitely meant to be Transmetals 2. Each of them was altered by an enigmatic piece of Vok technology known as the "[[Transmetal Driver]]" which appeared early in season three. The exact origin and nature of the Driver is unknown.

Optimus Primal and Megatron also received new bodies in season three, in the same fashion as each other, but only Megatron's toy was labeled as a Transmetal 2. (Optimal Optimus was a normal Transmetal.) It is unclear whether, within the story of the cartoon, these bodies were meant to be similar to the bodies granted by the Transmetal Driver. Both of their new bodies were the result of temporarily merging their [[spark]]s with the sparks of their ''[[Generation 1]]''-era counterparts, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|G1 Megatron]]. [[Cryotek]]'s 3H Bio, which considers itself a continuation of the cartoon, describes Megatron as a Transmetal 2.

[[Image:Megs_tm2.JPG|left|thumb|"Optimal Megatron" didn't roll off the tongue.]]

[[Tigerhawk (BW)|Tigerhawk]]'s toy was also labeled as Transmetal 2. His in-show origin involved both the fusing of two sparks, those of [[Tigatron (BW)|Tigatron]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], and Vok technology.

The new forms for all of these characters, whether produced by the Transmetal Driver or by spark fusion, were portrayed as substantially more powerful than normal Transmetals.
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===Toys===
According to their toy packages and bios, the Transmetals 2 were all the results of Megatron's cloning experiments. This roughly aligned with the beginning of the cartoon story, as the first Transmetal 2, Dinobot II, was created by Megatron. This cloning experiment angle also helped to explain the presence of [[Optimus Minor]].

Unlike Transmetals, most Transmetals 2 did not have a third mode. Only the largest Transmetal 2 toys, Tigerhawk and Megatron, were designed to have more than two modes, but Megatron's was never featured in the TV show and Tigerhawk's was dropped entirely even from the toy. Neither vehicle mode was especially well-implemented.

Early on in the release of Transmetal 2 toys, the packaging used a Roman numeral "II", but a running change in the packaging was made to the Arabic number "2".

== IDW ''Beast Wars'' comic ==

In the IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics, a new group of Predacons traveled back to the Beast Wars era (taking place in the third season of the program around the episode "Changing of the Guard") and activated the remainder of the [[stasis pod]]s ejected from the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]''. The Transformers who emerged from these pods included normal beast-form Transformers, Transmetals, and Transmetals 2.

All the Beast Wars characters/toys not featured in the original cartoon (barring a few that traveled back with [[Magmatron (BW)|Magmatron]]) were given this same origin regardless of their "Transmetal" status. It was not explained why their states differed, nor why their situation differed from the non-Transmetal Earth-"born" Transformers in the show.

==Beast Machines==
When the Maximals encountered Megatron's virus, the Transmetals among them had a strange reaction. Rather than becoming instantly paralyzed, as was intended and happened to the majority of Cybertronians exposed, they simply lost their Transmetalization (and their short-term memories for a while). Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, and Blackarachnia reverted to the first forms they acquired on [[Earth]] and were able to stay mobile, though glitching and amnesic. Rhinox and Silverbolt, however, succumbed to the virus. While it seems that whatever Transmetal properties had protected Silverbolt from the [[Metal Hunter]] didn't save him from the virus, it should be noted that one distinguishing feature he and Rhinox shared is that neither had an earlier beast form to which he could revert.

==References==
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Stormbringer issue 3

2008-02-14T08:19:12Z

Sntint: /* Items of note */

[[Image:Stormbringer_3a.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Comin' to wreck house in your neighborhood]]
{{comicnav | Stormbringer (comics) | 3 | seriesname=''The Transformers: Stormbringer''| prev=Stormbringer issue 2 | next=Stormbringer issue 4 }}
'''Utter destruction...'''

== Synopsis ==
Thunderwing continues to devastate the surface of [[Nebulos]], while on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Bludgeon prepares to submit himself to the [[Pretender|polydermal grafting]] process. On the dead planet's surface, Nosecone and Afterburner are attacked by [[Centurion_droid|Centurion drones]], but are rescued by the [[Wreckers]], who have arrived with Optimus Prime. The [[Autobot]]s breach Bludgeon's bunker and rapidly overcome his team-mates. Iguanus flees to the pressure vat chamber, seeking Bludgeon, only to discover a massive figure wielding a glowing sword.

Darkwing orders the [[Decepticon]] [[infiltration unit]] on Nebulos to attack Thunderwing, but the monstrous being eliminates over half the attacking Decepticons within seconds. After their own attacks prove ineffective, Darkwing and Dreadwind abandon Nebulos. They send a message to Razorclaw, who in turn contacts the [[Decepticon High Command|High Command]]. After being briefed, Megatron authorizes Razorclaw to do what ever is necessary to stop Thunderwing, even if it means destroying Cybertron in the process.

The Wreckers breach the pressure vat chamber and discover a catatonic Bludgeon within his shell, Iguanus, dying from being cleft in two by Bludgeon's sword and Jetfire, who tells Prime to shut Bludgeon's control throne down. Jetfire gets to work on the data in Bludgeon's computers, but an orbital warning sounds{{m-}}with Bludgeon's control system destroyed, Thunderwing is returning home...

==Credits==
'''Script:''' [[Simon Furman]] 
'''Art:''' [[Don Figueroa]] 
'''Colors:''' [[Josh Burcham]] with assist by [[grungewerx]] 
'''Lettering:''' [[Robbie Robbins]] 
'''Editors:''' [[Chris Ryall]] and [[Dan Taylor]] 
* ''Originally published:'' September 6, 2006

===Major characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
* [[Nosecone]] (4)
* [[Afterburner (G1)|Afterburner]] (5)
* [[Roadbuster]] (6)
* [[Whirl]] (7)
* [[Topspin]] (8)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (9)
* [[Springer]] (10)
* [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] (11)
* [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (15)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (1)
* [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (2)
* [[Iguanus (G1)|Iguanus]] (3)
* [[Darkwing]] (12)
* [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] (13)
* [[Ruckus]] (14)
* [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (16)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (17)
|}

==Quotes==
"Suppose there's no point in asking you to stay up here, out of the firing line." 
"No." 
:'''{{m-}}Springer''' and '''Optimus Prime'''.

"Damn! 
Damn! 
Damn! 
It's all gone to Hell!" 
:'''{{m-}}Iguanus''' is having a bad day.

== Errors ==
* None identified.

== Items of note ==
* Megatron's brief appearance in this issue links directly to the final panels of [[Infiltration (issue 3)|''Infiltration'' #3]].
* The Decepticomments section had readers' mail answered by Chris Ryall.
* Optimus Prime's hand-held rifles are pretty obviously those from his [[Optimus Prime (G1) toys#PMOP|Powermaster body]]. This in mind, his arm-mounted twin-cannons could be inspired by the same toy.

===Covers (3)===
[[Image:Stormbringer_3b.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Cybertron is spiky]]
* '''Cover A:''' Wreckers wraparound cover by Don Figueroa. This cover can be combined with similar ones from the other three issues to form a giant battle scene.
* '''Cover B:''' Cybertron sketch wraparound cover by Don Figueroa; this was later colored for the trade paperback.
* '''Cover RI:''' Cover A uncolored

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