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Talk:Blue Bolts (RID)

2024-10-05T13:41:45Z

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==Merging Gun Blue Bolts with Bird Bluebolt==
===Merge with Bluebolt?===
Hey, Saix.

° I didn't notice that in the product copy. It's been wrong before, though, especially in recent years. Silverstreak, he/him Burn Out, etc. The streams are good for identifying designer intent, and in the presence of conflicting information it's possible to weigh these things up case by case.
° The way this character breaks apart is explicitly not what Battle Masters are, but IS what Weaponisers are.
° Weaponizer also matches [[Blue Bolts (RID)|Bluebolt]], the Maximal from later in JG1 who inexplicably introduced herself as a Weaponizer, who was apparently named for the Car Robots name for this weapon (Bluebolt).

The stated gender doesn't match, but we can sumrise now that that story decision was made with advance knowledge of this product, given that they share the same facial sculpt (which has been used to combine characters as seen in toy under lesser pretense).
I'd therefore advocate for a merger, but don't edit the wiki enough to know how to do so.

[[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 12:50, 30 January 2024 (EST)

So hey there have been big developments in this case! Please see the Notes sections [[Blue Bolts (RID)#Notes|here]] and at [[Blue Bolts (RID)#Notes|bird Bluebolt]] to see the deluge of behind-the-scenes conceptual overlap we just learned about. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 01:44, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
: I think that at this point, with the revelation that the Bluebolt weapon was part of Sakamoto's concept process for the character and that elements of that were retained in the finished bio ("universal/multipurpose weaponizer"), we should probably just merge the two pages. While they're a more tenuous link, the fact that most of the detailing on Autobot Bluebolts not taken from the original weapon seems to correlate to Selects Skywarp (faceplate and forehead "beak", diagonal lines on the chest, the thigh detailing) reinforces, for me, that Bluebolt was in some way part of the design process for Bluebolts. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 13:08, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

A finalized-ish mock-up of a combined page can now be found [[User:McBaggins/Sandbox/Bluebolt|here]], courtey of [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]], [[User:Saix|Saix]] and myself. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:46, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

===Merge with Blue Bolts (RID)?===
Personally, I'm not quite sure if they should be merged due to them only sharing a name and title of weaponizer, and they were seemingly developed separately from each other. I kinda want to wait and see first if TT confirms they're the same.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 22:47, 12 March 2024 (EDT)
:The merge template is referring to [https://fxtwitter.com/hayatoron/status/1766830976397947209?s=20 this thread] from Bird Bluebolt creator [[Hayato Sakamoto]]. Nobody move until we have that written up. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 22:54, 12 March 2024 (EDT)
::Ok.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 22:56, 12 March 2024 (EDT)
I'm fine with the merge. Sakamoto makes clear that he conceptualized the two things as the same entity and Yuki followed through. Simplifies things. Only thing I don't like is "Blue Bolts" being the ugliest spelling. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:01, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
:The idea would be to only use "Blue Bolts" in the cartoon section covering the English dub and its related US media, and then use the CRnote to justify using "Bluebolt" for all of the JG1 sections. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:22, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
::...maybe we just pull a [[Roller/UW]] or [[Smokescreen/BT]] on them?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 02:21, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
I'm up for the merge, but we need to settle the issue of pronouns. Given that I believe one of the Hasbro lads used "he" for the Haslab toy, Sakamoto has liked a grand total of One posts that uses "she" on twitter, and the comic itself doesn't use gendered pronouns, I'm skeptical of committing at this time. Can we include a trivia note and just put it down to "them" for safety or do people feel more confident with something else?[[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 08:15, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
: I'm fine with just rewriting the relevant fiction sections such that it doesn't use pronouns, if possible. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:28, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

A finalized-ish mock-up of a combined page (with neutral pronouns) can now be found [[User:McBaggins/Sandbox/Bluebolt|here]], courtey of [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]], [[User:Saix|Saix]] and myself. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:47, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

==Un-merging Gun Blue Bolts with Bird Bluebolt==
While I agree the bird and the gun being the same character was most likely Sakamoto's intention, that is not what any official licensed media says. The opening paragraphs of this article very confidential state that, "In at least one far flung future, Bluebolt evolved into a Maximal "Universal Weaponizer"" citing a source that in fact, does not say what the article is claiming. Authorial intent is pseudocanon at best, leave it in the footnotes. [[User:Arren1234|Arren]] ([[User talk:Arren1234|talk]]) 23:56, 17 March 2024 (EDT)
:I'm uncertain how likely an immediate un-merge is but I've tweaked the misleading bit of the intro. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 03:38, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

== Bird bot identity dispute section? ==

I think we should maybe move the trivia about the identity of the weapon and the bird into it's own separate section z much how Dions has a description about who he is.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 00:06, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
:There isn't really a dispute so much as a current lack of information. The merge was based on Sakamoto recounting details of his production of the comic he actually worked on while mentioning the bits of development of the Haslab toy relevant to his work, along with associated analysis of the Haslab design. While there may be a need for future discussion about the merge if and when we get more information about the development of the Haslab toy, there actually isn't a huge mystery about "who is Bluebolt". Bluebolt is a bird and Bluebolt is a gun, and due to our current level of evidence we feel confident in having these two logged as the same thing. Dion got his own identity section because it was the only thing anybody talked to related to that character for twenty years. Bluebolt is a wee little thing in a far corner of nerdery, if we are still having this discussion in twenty years, maybe we can revisit this issue.[[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 09:15, 24 March 2024 (EDT)

== Gender confirmation ==

In Evans video going over the Omega prime has lab on the official hasbro pulse channelhe said Bluebolts is a she as part of the legends manga tie in stuff so this page should be updated to reflect that. 9:44, 5 October 2024

Talk:Blue Bolts (RID)

2024-10-05T13:41:27Z

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Talk:Blue Bolts (RID)

2024-10-05T13:40:56Z

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Talk:Blue Bolts (RID)

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Alpha Trion/Shattered Glass

2024-01-26T12:39:15Z

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{{factions|sgAutobot}}
{{disambig3.5|the evil Autobot|his heroic counterpart|Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion}}
:''Alpha Trion is an evil [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Alphatriontimelinestranscendent.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Eventually one of them was bound to go senile.]]
'''Alpha Trion''', the '''Old One''', is from a universe where the [[Decepticon]]s were defeated long ago. He is also the owner of a [[sword]] taken from a dead Decepticon named [[Slaughter]], a sword which can corrupt the mind of the wielder towards evil. But an act of sabotage took him from his original universe and whisked him here, to [[Axiom Nexus]], where he fights an underground war against the arrogant [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]], who aim to control the populace with mind control devices.

None of the above is true.

Sure, ''this'' Alpha Trion may seem like a nice old robot [[Alpha Trion (disambiguation)|like all the others]], but wait until you're introduced to his ceiling of mutilated corpses! Then the web of lies will begin to unravel...

==Fiction==
===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===
Alpha Trion acted as an adviser to [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]] in a [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|shattered universe]]. Prime had little patience for the Old One's lies and scheming, and so Alpha Trion was banished from this universe, {{storylink|Shattered Glass (issue)|Shattered Glass}} cast through the prototype [[stellar spanner]] that he had been developing. {{storylink|Blitzwing Bop}} Alpha Trion left a [[:Category:Alpha Trion's acolytes|secret cadre of loyalists]] behind who would wait for his return. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}}

The outcast sage found himself in the [[multiverse|multiversal]] hub city of [[Axiom Nexus]], in [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon|the ancient, super-advanced universe]] of the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]] Transformers. Rather than admit defeat, Alpha Trion plotted anew, and gathered another group of loyalists. Offworlder [[Maximal]]s [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]] and [[Immorticon (BW)|Immorticon]] soon fell under his wing. He easily turned their feelings against the TransTech government, as they had dealt with corruption in [[Primax 209.0 Gamma|their native universe]], and once Alpha Trion had also accumulated a skilled Transformer named [[Topspin (Classics)|Topspin]], the experiments began. With Topspin's help, Alpha Trion was able to move the sparks of his Maximal and Predacon acolytes into new TransTech bodies {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 25|''TransTech'' Blackarachnia's profile}} as well as a [[Bulletbike (TransTech)|few other unfortunates]]. {{storylink|I, Lowtech}} At some point, the [[Depth Charge (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Depth Charge]] from his loyalists' home universe came about, on the hunt for the Maximals and Predacons Alpha Trion had taken under his wing. By showing him the sparkless bodies of the four fugitives, Alpha Trion and Topspin were able to convince Depth Charge that his quarries had already met their demise. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 49|Depth Charge's profile in Club magazine #49}}

But Topspin himself was the piece to a larger puzzle, and one that Alpha Trion, with his intimate knowledge of Cybertronian lore, had devious plans for. All he needed were the other pieces. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 2}}

[[Image:Alphatrionceilingofcorpses.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Dammit, A-3, you show them the rec room first. THEN the ceiling of corpses.]]
Alpha Trion soon found these pieces. He was assigned to three newcomers to Axiom Nexus, [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]], [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], and [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]], and instructed to help them acclimate to their new dimension. However, after Breakaway was abducted right under their noses by [[Shockwave (TransTech)|mechs unknown]], {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 1}} Alpha Trion revealed his real plan. He revealed that the TransTechs that ruled over the city were an untrustworthy and manipulative lot, and that there were personality inhibitors broadcast through satellites in this [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s orbit. Furthermore, they had a habit of abducting certain mechs of interest, and were likely probing the slag out of poor Breakaway somewhere. Skyfall and Landquake began to feel uncomfortable, so Alpha Trion tried to reassure them. He led the two to his room full of ceiling-suspended TransTech corpses. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 2}}

For some reason, that didn't work. Alpha Trion's helper, Topspin, arrived to explain, noting that none of the corpses were actually dead, as their [[spark]]s were kept safe elsewhere. These were nothing more than their experiments in trying to help mechs escape Axiom Nexus, as its inhabitants' bodies are tagged. Speaking privately with Skyfall, Alpha Trion gave him his own sword for safekeeping. He warned it once belonged to a Decepticon named Slaughter, and though it could influence terribly the thoughts of the bearer, Alpha Trion believed Skyfall had as strong a spirit as himself. Should Alpha Trion fall, Skyfall would have to keep it. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 3}}

Nightscream brought word to Alpha Trion: He had learned where the TransTech had taken Breakaway! Alpha Trion informed his acolytes that they would attack that very night. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 4}} Gathering Nightscream, Scavenger, Blackarachnia, Immorticon, Topspin, and an increasingly suspicious Skyfall and Landquake, Alpha Trion stormed the [[Transwarp Complex]] in search of Shockwave's lab and the Transit Room. After he killed the guards and ran [[Depth Charge (TransTech)|Depth Charge]] through with his sword, he reminded Skyfall of the terrible influence of his evil weapon. He took Skyfall, Landquake, and Immorticon with him towards the lab and ordered the others to occupy the Transit Room. Unfortunately, [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]] was in their way. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} It wasn't long before the TransTech military commander struck a devastating blow, mutilating one side of Alpha Trion's face. But he and the two multiversal hitchhikers made their getaway (with Breakaway in tow) as Megatron was busy reducing Immorticon to rubble.

[[Image:Skyfallwontbethereforit.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"You don't even get the non-attending exclusive package."]]
As the group neared the Transit Room, Alpha Trion told Skyfall of his great importance, how back in his original universe, [[Vector Sigma]] had told him that "[[Primus]] is calling his first sons home." Unfortunately for Skyfall, Alpha Trion had different plans. While the others disappeared through the Transit Room into Alpha Trion's original universe, he impaled Skyfall with his sword, killing him. Skyfall's conscience and strength of will would have served as a distraction in Alpha Trion's coming rise to power, and "Reunification" could take place with one of "them" dead. He then ordered Nightscream to drag the body through the portal with them, as Alpha Trion had a universe to conquer. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}

Alpha Trion and the others appeared back in his home universe within his old lab. Though Alpha Trion wished to get directly at the task at hand, Breakaway and Landquake obviously had questions about Skyfall's demise. When pressed on the issue, Alpha Trion told Landquake that Skyfall had been shot from behind on their way through the portal, but Breakaway was quick to note that Skyfall had a blade wound, not a gun wound. Alpha Trion sighed, and as more of his acolytes (ones native to this universe) arrived, he called for them to seize the two... and Topspin. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}} Topspin was puzzled, to say the least, as he had been very loyal to Alpha Trion. This act of betrayal unhinged Topspin, and after he killed [[Kickback (SG)|one of Alpha Trion's acolytes]], the three were able to escape Alpha Trion's lab with Skyfall's body. Alpha Trion decided to move his group to another of his labs and hunt them down another day. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 2}}

Some weeks later, Alpha Trion communicated with [[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]] that his plans were in place and he was ready to strike. [[Remote Patrol Six|Rodimus' assassins]] would kill Optimus Prime at the same time [[Cyclonus (SG)|Trion's agents]] killed [[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]], thus paving the way for the two of them to conquer Cybertron and [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Transhuman}} {{storylink|Reunification: Part 3}} {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}}

After [[Remote Patrol Six]] attempted (and miserably failed) to kill [[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]], Alpha Trion showed up with [[Sky Lynx (SG)|Sky Lynx]] and [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] to try and kill Prime himself, only to be introduced to [[Omega Doom]]'s cannon. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 5}}

[[File:Coalescence FallenSunstormAlphaTrion.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]
He survived the cannon blast, though the Decepticons had taken his stellar spanner back to their base, and destroyed it after [[Nexus Prime]] and [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] passed through it to parts unknown. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 6}}

For a time, the Alpha Trion of Primax -408.24 Epsilon merged with the [[multiversal singularity]] that his [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Uniend counterpart]] was, but before said merger could complete, the [[Shroud]] nullified multiversal singularities. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/28}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Coalescence}}}}

==Toys==
===''Timelines''===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-AlphaTrion.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Old people can't drive, but they sure can fence.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1d1|'''Alpha Trion''' / '''Weirdwolf''' (Multi-pack, 2007)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Sword, missile, Cyber Key
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Moore]] (concept artist)}}<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Alpha Trion was one of the core figures of that set. Cybertron Vector Prime was the obvious choice. We though having his minicon be Vector Sigma, and cast in gold vac metal, would be fun. When released, they went with a simpler color scheme, and changed the Minicon to Beta Maxx.|link=https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370390171200413699|site=Twitter|name=Joe Moore|year=2021|month=03|day=12}}</ref>

: ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' Alpha Trion is a [[redeco]] and [[retool]]ing of [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'']] [[Vector Prime#Cybertron|Vector Prime]], [[redeco]]ed in purple, white, and red, plus a new head designed by [[Dan Khanna]].<ref>{{citesocial|link=https://twitter.com/DantheArtguy/status/1326732569140977669|name=Dan Khanna|site=Twitter|quote=Here’s some Transformers Legends Alpha Trion card art I pencilled for the game. ( colors by Volta studios ) They based this off the Botcon 2007 toy. ( where I designed a new head for the Vector Prime mold.)|year=2020|month=11|day=11}}</ref> He transforms into an "ancient" Cybertronian starship with solar panel-styled wings, which are made with the more flexible plastic used by the [[Hasbro]] version of Vector Prime [[for safety reasons]]. His nosecone has a spring-loaded missile launcher at the tip, and can also store his sword. The toy's electronics have been removed for cost concerns.

: He was only available as part of a [[BotCon 2007]] at-show "souvenir" bagged set, packed with [[Beta Maxx (RID)#Timelines|Beta Maxx]] and [[Weirdwolf (G1)#Timelines|Weirdwolf]], limited to 1400 pieces. His pack-in bio very carefully kept things nice and vague, and branded him a normal Autobot, hiding the "true" nature of the toy to be revealed in-fiction later.

: This toy was later used as a body for Generation 1 [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Transformers Legends|Alpha Trion]] in the [[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|''Legends'' mobile game]].

::*''[https://twitter.com/Joe_Toyark/status/1370390171200413699 Designer commentary on Timelines Alpha Trion from Joe Moore on Twitter]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/BCAlphaTrion/alphatrion.htm More information on Timelines Alpha Trion at TFU.info]''
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===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Voyager-Alpha-Trion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Autobot Sovereign & Alpha Trion''' (Voyager class, 2016)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories:'' Sword, [[Sovereign#Generations|Sovereign]] Titan Master, gun
{{toydesigner|[[John Warden]] (Hasbro)|[[Emiliano Santalucia]] (concept artist), [[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)}}
{{note|The ''Titans Return'' [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Generations|Alpha Trion]] toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as a body for ''Shattered Glass'' Alpha Trion.}}

: Released in the second wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Voyagers, Alpha Trion transforms from a robot to lion (in homage to his cancelled [[BotCon 2001]] toy) to spaceship. His head transforms into the [[Titan Master]] [[Sovereign#Toys|Sovereign]], although his neck socket is compatible with any other Titan Master figure. He comes with a gun that Sovereign can ride in spaceship mode. As with other ''Titans Return'' Voyager figures, pressing in his chest crystal makes his head adornments spring up to "bulk up" his head.

: In Canada and Australia, Alpha Trion along with his wavemate [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Astrotrain]] were prominent shelfwarmers, while finding Alpha Trion anywhere in the US was a great deal more difficult.

: The Hasbro Asia exclusive giveaway sticker sheet can be used to enhance the figure's details.<ref>https://news.tfw2005.com/2016/09/23/hasbro-asia-titans-return-stickers-wave-2-325179</ref>

: This mold was retooled into ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' [[Lio Convoy#Legends|Leo Prime]] and ''extensively'' retooled into ''Titans Return'' [[Broadside (G1)#Titans Return|Broadside]] and [[Tidal Wave (G1)#Titans Return|Tidal Wave]]. The sword was redecoed into ''Legends'' [[Magna Convoy]]'s [[Matrix Sword]] and ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Nemesis Prime]]'s Ancient Sword.
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==Notes==
*''Timelines'' Alpha Trion's profile card is super-misleading! It doesn't mention how he's evil at all! Just stuff about how he knows lots of things and has advised lots of Transformers, which is technically true. And how we don't know much about him yet. It doesn't say he's ''not'' evil, but...
*The situation with Alpha Trion is a little difficult. He may have been intended to be part of the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' toyline, but never made an appearance in that franchise fiction-wise. The toy's bio is also written in an extremely vague manner that skirts around anything specific to the character's true nature, but does not contradict its status of being a ''Shattered Glass'' toy, and does very much allude to the events of the "Transcendent" storyline. He also could have just "evolved" into what we now have with the publishing of ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Shattered Glass]]'' stories featuring him, but he ''was'' always kind of hinted at being sinister in "Transcendent". So he could either be the first "official" ''Shattered Glass'' toy, or he could technically be a [[repurposing]].

==References==
{{Reflist}}

[[Category:BotCon exclusives]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Elderly Transformers]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:TransTech Autobots]]

Talk:Rook (G2)

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==Protectobot==
Until we get proper confirmation, are we treating the new Combiner Wars Protectobot as this guy, [[Rook (Universe)|this guy]] or a whole new character? - [[User:BT383|BT383]] ([[User talk:BT383|talk]]) 01:52, 15 February 2015 (EST)
:I'd default to [[Rook (Universe)|this guy]]. This guy's not even an Autobot, after all. And this guy's [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/4/1/4/0/8/DSC06496_1423944892.jpg bio is pretty vague]. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 08:55, 15 February 2015 (EST)
::I don't think there's any reason to assume that Rook is any different from Alpha Bravo or Offroad - like them, he's clearly intended as a brand-new character, and ought to go at [[Rook (CW)]]. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:44, 15 February 2015 (EST)
:::Yeah, I think he gets his own article until we find out he's a journalist or something. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 10:48, 15 February 2015 (EST)

== cybertronian trooper head ==

should we count the new cybertronian trooper with the green head from the 4 pack as a toy of rook?

Six Changer

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[[File:G1Sixshot toy.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|The first ever Six Changer, secretly a Seven Changer.]]
'''Six Changers''' are a rare type of [[Transformer]] that, as the name implies, have six forms between which they can alternate. Most are part of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]], which has a grand total of four characters based on two [[mold]]s.

You ''could'' call them '''[[Triple Changer|Sextuple Changers]]''', but that'd just be silly.

==Toys==
[[File:Deathsaurusbotcontoy.jpg|thumb|200px|''Timelines'' Deathsaurus]]
;1987
*[[Sixshot]]

;1988
*[[Quickswitch]]
*[[Sixknight]]

;1989
*[[Greatshot]]

;1993/2015
*[[Autobot (G2)]]/[[Vector Prime]]

;2001
*[[Megatron (RID)]]<ref>While not officially called a Six Changer, [http://tfu.info/2001/Predacon/Megatron/megatron.htm RID Megatron's Hasbro profile] states that "his many victories have helped him gain the power of a six-step change skill," making it sound as if he's meant to be one.</ref>

;2005
*[[Deathsaurus (Victory)]]

;2008
*[[Deathsaurus (SG)]] (fiction-only character)

;2016
*[[Hexadeathimal|Killswitch/Hexadeathimal]] (fiction-only character)
*[[Megatron (BW)]]

==Fiction==
In G1 U.S. fiction, Six Changers have a tendency to be portrayed as unstable. In Japanese fiction, they tend to be ninjas from the [[Six Clan]], who are unsure of their allegiance. What this says about either ninjas or the unstable is unknown.

==Notes==
[[Image:BraveShadowmaruKagerouModels.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Shadowmaru is on the left; Kagerō is on the right.]]
*The Sixshot/Greatshot mold was later retooled to make the heroic "Ninja Detective" '''Shadowmaru''' for Takara's ''[[Brave (franchise)|Brave Police J-Decker]]'' toyline. Amusingly, while the other 5 forms are of standard size for the series (assuming 5 meters in robot mode), his size for gun mode was increased to the point that, in ''Transformers'' terms, [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] could use him for an oversized rifle. Shadowmaru also had a prototype "brother", '''Kagerō''', who could only change into three forms. He was not produced as a toy. [http://2too.blog93.fc2.com/blog-entry-166.html More on Shadowmaru here.]
**In 2015, [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' comic series introduced [[Greatsix]], a Decepticon under the command of the IDW version of Deathsaurus, based on an early design of Greatshot and utilizing Shadowmaru's colors. It is ambiguous whether Greatsix is a Six Changer or not.
*Similarly, it is unclear whether [[Agonizer]], who is modeled on Sixshot, is a Six Changer or not.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Six Changer''' (シックスチェンジャー ''Shikkusu Chenjā'')

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Super-God Masterforce subgroups]]
[[Category:The Headmasters subgroups]]
[[Category:Transformers with multiple modes]]
[[Category:Victory subgroups]]