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Talk:Transformers Legends (mobile game)

2013-10-30T15:34:34Z

Spenny: /* Biased articles */ new section

== Featured characters box ==

Is there a way to modify this so that the characters on each side are arranged in two or more columns? Or could we get separate Autobot and Decepticon tables with columns for each level of rarity? Having a two column table that stretches over three screens is less than ideal. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:24, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

== Slipstream ==
Why is Slipstream linked to the WFC character when everyone else is G1? Wouldn't this represent the creation of a G1 Slipstream? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:58, 26 April 2013 (EDT)

== New Universe? ==
I dunno. I've not played this, but it kinda seems like we're looking at more redesigns/amalgams... are we looking at a Bot Shots/Kre-O situation here? Would splitting them into (Legends) be a thing to do? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:12, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
: The game seems VERY intended to be G1 to me. To the point where it would feel a bit weird to pretend it wasn't. Then again it blends in a lot of Modern toyline stuff. Arcee is really the only merger I've seen most of it is pretty straight G1. A few of the Bios are from FoC toys but the vast bulk are just the G1 bios, pretty exactly which would make for a ton of really unnecessary pages . Art is G1 pretty much across the board with some of CHUGUR toy influence. The intention is very clearly to be Modern G1 in the same way the IDW comics are IMO. But the execution makes me want to say it could also be a very G1y branch of Alligned. Folks who have played the game a ton what do you think?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 05:59, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:: I've not played it a ton, but it does seem like it's intended to be as G1 as it can possibly make itself. Unnecessary is the word, I think. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:54, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::I haven't played it either, but I've seen pretty much all of the character art posted on Tumblr, and it sure looks pretty blatantly G1 to me. Some characters have new bodies, there's a Slipstream, Elta is a motorcycle and Arcee borrows from Prime, but still. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::::I think it is clearly intended to be G1; I think a case could be made to split it off as its own universe, but due to the nature of the product all that would get us would be dozens of virtually empty character pages, which unlike Bot Shots wouldn't even have their own dedicated merchandise to keep track of. (Sort of like all those Chinese MMO characters we still don't know anything about, although at least those characters are unique...) Anyway, keep it like it is, IMO. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:00, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:: As stated above, the bios are a blend of FoC and G1 with a dash of Movie/Prime thrown in for good measure; even the Super Rare versions of characters keep the same bio while having updated G1/Aligned art. The only exception is Slipstream, whose bio is explicitly [[Slipstream_(Animated)|Animated Slipstream's]], clone and all (and artwork similar to her WfC appearance). [[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 12:20, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
:Why WAS Bot Shots split, again? Kre-O I get - what fiction there is has the characters ''actually'' made of blocks and so forth in a way that clearly isn't true for any other universe - but what's the reasoning for not just making BS part of Aligned (whose aesthetic already varies wildly between WfC/FoC and Prime) that doesn't also apply to, say, breaking IDW out of G1? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 11:55, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::According to the [[Bot Shots]] page, there is "unique fiction related to the game". I'm assuming this means something similar to the Kre-O characters actually being made of bricks - like the game mechanics actually exist within the fictional world. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:37, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::Principally, that if Bot Shots were going to be incorporated into another universe, it's not obvious which one it would be. Prime and WF/FOC designs are probably the least-represented of all the influences the Bot Shots toys have. Also, the Bot Shots have bios, and many of them don't match up especially well with their Aligned portrayals. -[[User:LV|LV]] 13:36, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::That doesn't usually stop these things being mashed together. And as for on-package bios, they're wildly inconsistent even in the "mainline" toys - see ''Generations'' Orion Pax for a good example, which has an Aligned bio with him as an archivist (with pitiful stats!) in spite not only of the design being based on the IDW "super-cop" Pax, but of ''having an IDW comic packed-in that doesn't match up with the bio at all''!
:::(And again, there are plenty of IDW guys who bear little to no resemblance to their top-of-article summaries, yet they don't get split out. Bot Shots should go in Aligned, since Hasbro's stated desire is for all their stuff to be Aligned-based unless explicitly shown to be otherwise.) - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:43, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
::::I'm not interested in having this conversation as a proxy war over whether IDW should be split out of G1. -[[User:LV|LV]] 22:34, 2 May 2013 (EDT)
:::::Yeah, no. We're neither merging Bot Shots characters or splitting IDW out of G1. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:53, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
::Back to the point at hand - the current in-game event overlays the primary plot of Beast Hunters into the game's quasi-G1 setting. Shockwave accidentally invents the Terrorcons whilst mucking about with "ancient CNA", but in this version, he tasks the Predacons to hunt down and capture the Terrorcons. Different enough from the mainline of ''Prime'', and let's face it, none of it explicitly contradicts anything we know about any other G1 timeline. The G1 Terrorcons have never had an origin story per se, so I'm actually kind of completely okay with letting this G1 and appending their pages accordingly. (really, the only things that don't sync exactly are the lack of Cutthroat and everyone else having their Prime names, but that's basically a "Slingshot/Quickslinger" issue IMO.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:37, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
:What the wiki needs is a "Hodgepodge continuity family" for all the hodgepodge continuities. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:10, 29 May 2013 (EDT)

== Weapons ==
Parly related to the "New Universe" discussion below (though I agree, G1 seems to be the right home for this), I think it would make sense to say something about the Weapons in-game. I don't know if it warrants the same treatment as the WFC/FOC weapons of giving each one its own page, since there are a LOT of repetitve names (Autobot Dagger 1, Decepticon Dagger 1, Autobot Dagger 2, Arcee's Weapon, Arcee's Weapon 2), with nothing much to say other than to show the visual (which would start to push the bounds of fair-use) and the stats, which are boring.

BUT, there are some interesting continuity mash-up things going on that might bear mentioning, a few quick highlights include:

Ratchet's Weapon is his Prime-Toy's blade
Magnus's Weapon is his Animated Hammer
Prowl has a crazy mash-up Nightstick/Katana/Gun seemingly trying to double homage his G1-Cop and Animated-Ninja'ness
Wheeljack is rocking his Prime swords
Flamewar as her Energon-as-Botcon-Toy Bow

Most of the weapons are normal G1 designs, but the weapons definitely indicate an Aligned-bleed even more so than any of the charcater designs (Most of which seem to be driven by a "Earth Mode Required" {Unless your an animal...or Cyclonus} art-approach.).

Depending on what you guys WANT the weapons section to look like (even if you want to create pages for them ala WFC), I'm happy to put some hours into this, I'm quite in love with the game (the art especially). --[[User:Destrongerlupus|Destrongerlupus]] 14:22, 16 May 2013 (EDT)

:I was thinking about this myself - I don't know that "Autobot dagger" or "Decepticon rifle" needs a specific entry, above and beyond what we already have (we have a page for maces, maybe one for swords?). I'd certainly be amenable to appending relevant existing pages with game info, though. (And anyone who wants to make an article for [[Rifle]]s is a braver sort than I.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:33, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
::I thiiiiink I'd prefer to see the So-And-So's Weapon cards included with the Legends section of the character's own wiki page, simply because there's so little to them. I mean, they don't even have names. As for the rest of the weapons, I don't know that I'd consider them worth mentioning outside of the Legends page in general.
::I DO think we need much better coverage of Legends in general, even if it's mostly stubby stuff that links away to the very thorough Wikia wiki. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:59, 16 May 2013 (EDT)
::I agree, although I basically haven't had the time to do much. I'll try and maybe flesh it out a bit. And yeah, include their special weapons on the character pages. It's just another card to collect in the game, so whatever, you know? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 09:32, 17 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Cool, I'll see about adding them to character specific pages where notable, and using them to add a little flavor to the general "Mace" pages and whatnot. Thanks for the support and direction!--[[User:Destrongerlupus|Destrongerlupus]] 14:32, 17 May 2013 (EDT)

== Character Art ==

First things first: are screenshots from apple devices allowed? If so, Would it be okay to start a gallery of the character art? Maybe one each for vehicle and robot modes. I have all of the 1's and 2's and people can add any art that is missing. {{unsigned|AKSpartan1661}} 00:01, 20 May 2013 (EDT)

==Destubbing?==
Other than keeping it regularly updated with the latest events, I think this is pretty much as thorough a discussion of the game as the Wiki warrants. Any further details should probably be left to the dedicated Wikia site. (Incidentally, I'm of the mind that Events that recreate specific cartoon episodes should not be written up further on character pages, while those that contain an original storyline should.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 10:27, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

== Biased articles ==

Can we at least try to keep some of the notes in the articles a little more neutral?

I can't help but feel lines like:

"Kind of suck" and the sarcastic, "Capture a bunch of Slapdash's to get a decent Slapdash!", and even the "Seriously it's weird."

Kind of stand out as more opinionated and critical than the majority of the wiki.

Said comments can be especially critical with the fact that these "Plots" are rarely related yet are being treated as though this is all one story.

That said, I think that whether the mechanics of the game are undesirable or not, we should still stick to just giving the information instead of outright expressing disdain and/or confusion for it. It makes it look more presentable.

Destiny, Part Five

2013-10-23T16:30:51Z

Spenny:

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'''As battle rages on Cybertron's surface, the Wreckers infiltrate the Warworld, but when their confrontation with Bludgeon goes wrong, help arrives in a most unexpected form!'''

==Synopsis==

[[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is a battlefield: [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] grapple, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] engage in a sonic duel, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] leads the charge against the army of [[Blitz Engine]]s, and the airborne [[Autobot]]s unleash their combined firepower against the [[Warworld]]. [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] permits the [[Decepticon]]s to join the fighting themselves, but surprises them by electing to remain on the Warworld, secretly aware that the [[Wrecker]]s have managed to land a ship on the giant craft's surface and have penetrated its hull.

In the [[Primus]] chamber, deep within Cybertron, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] awakens, free of possession by Primus and needing to be brought up to date by his [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. As they attempt to talk, the [[demon]]s come spilling into the chamber, and a furious Grimlock, his eyes glowing with the power of Primus, transforms to dinosaur mode. The roar he unleashes takes the fight right out of the creatures and sends them into genuflections. The Dinobots proceed to head back to the surface, and the demons loyally follow their new master, prompting [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] to recall [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]]'s plan to reintegrate the Cybertronian race, and Grimlock to speculate that this is all part of some grand plan...

Aboard the Warworld, Bludgeon launches a sudden, vicious solo attack on the Wreckers, affecting their perceptions with his [[Metallikato]] mind-tricks and walking all over them. [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] urges [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] to escape and locate their primary target—the reservoir of [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] energy animating the Blitz Engines—but Bludgeon pursues the elderly Autobot as he makes for the craft's bridge on a rail-transport car.

Down on the planet's surface, the Decepticons join the fight, pushing the Autobots back even further. [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] is not optimistic for the conflict's outcome, but Ultra Magnus holds out hope for a miracle, even as the bridge his team is standing on is blown out from under them. But he is not wrong to hope: that miracle soon arrives in the form of the Dinobots, who, along with the loyal demons, tear into the Decepticons and their weapons or war. The tide of battle is turning, as Blaster claims victory over Soundwave, circumventing his opponent's senses-distorting sonic trickery by simply bombarding him with face-rocking tunes.

On the Warworld's bridge, Bludgeon stands over a fallen Kup, preparing to deliver a killing stroke with his sword, when suddenly, in a flash of light, Hot Rod returns from his trip through [[Zero Space]], now transformed by the power of the Matrix into Rodimus Prime! Stunned by Rodimus's ability to snatch his sword out of the air, Bludgeon realizes that Rodimus is the opponent who is fated to destroy him, and demands that he grant him his destined death. Rodimus is only too happy to oblige, seizing the skeletal samurai's leg and hurling him through the Warworld's "windshield". Sent hurtling down to Cybertron's surface, Bludgeon burns up as enters the planet's atmosphere, and dramatically explodes on impact. Just when Rodimus and Kup think they have a moment's respite, however, the Warworld begins to quake: [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]], urged on by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], has had an attack of conscience, and has returned with the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to bring the legendary vessel's firepower to bear on Bludgeon's ship! As the Warworld comes apart around them, the Wreckers race to abandon ship.

Down below, the fight has definitively tipped in the Autobots' favor: with the Warworld crumbling, the flow of Matrix energy being projected to the Blitz Engines ceases, and the drones begin staying down under the Dinobots' and demons' assault. Magnus leads one last mighty push back against the Decepticons, and Omega Supreme triumphs over Monstructor, blasting him to bits. The Warworld explodes, filling the sky with fire, but as the onlooking Autobots cheer, aboard the Wreckers' craft—safely making its way back to the planet's surface—Rodimus Prime is not yet ready to celebrate. The visions shown to him by Primus in Zero Space still haunt his memory... as within Cybertron, the face of the Transformers' creator-god begins to glow...

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks or visions.) 
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*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (7)
*[[Doubleheader]] (8)
*[[Skyhammer (G1)|Skyhammer]] (9)
*[[Cloudraker (G1)|Cloudraker]] (10)
*[[Dogfight]] (11)
*[[Skydive (G1 Aerialbot)|Skydive]] (12)
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*[[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]] (14)
*[[Fireflight (G1)|Fireflight]] (15)
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*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (28)
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*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (31)
*[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (32)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (33)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (34)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (35)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (36)
*[[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (41)
*[[Groove (G1)|Groove]] (42)
*[[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] (43)
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*[[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] (45)
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*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (50)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (51)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (52)
*green generic? (53)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (54)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (55)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (56)

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*[[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (3)
*[[Weirdwolf]] (18)
*[[Fangry]] (19)
*[[Stranglehold]] (20)
*[[Krok (G1)|Krok]] (21)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (22)
*[[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] (23)
*[[Skullcruncher]] (24)
*[[Horri-Bull]] (25)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (26)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (39)
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (40)
*[[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]] (46)
*[[Needlenose]] (48)
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==Quotes==

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Snarl's popped back up after being oddly absent from [[Destiny, Part Four|issue #94]]; guess he was just off-panel for the whole thing!
*We saw Bludgeon's vision of his own death in [[Destiny, Part Three|issue #93]]. That seemed to imply he had died on the battlefield, but that's not quite how things unfold here.

===Transformers references===
*Let's be straight-up, here: Blaster and Soundwave never had any kind of rivalry in the Marvel comics. Their grudge match here, along with Omega's throwdown with Monstructor, feels a lot more like Simon Furman tying off stories he started over in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]]—specifically, in ''[[Spotlight: Blaster]]'' and ''[[Spotlight: Optimus Prime]]'', respectively—that he never got to bring to a conclusion before his time on those books ended. [[File:Rodimusprimerequestdenied.jpg|right|thumb|275px]]
*The more detailed rendering we get of the partially-reconstructed Thunderwing lets us see his inner robot within his [[Pretender]] shell, something that never appeared in the Marvel US comics (but did put in a brief appearance in the UK series).
*On page 12, Monstructor clobbers Omega with a statue of [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]].
*"Well, that's just prime!" quips Rodimus on page 18, stealing the catchphrase of [[Optimus Primal]].
* When Bludgeon demands death, Rodimus responds with a grim "Request granted." This echoes back to one of his more famous scenes in the Marvel UK series (pictured), from [[Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!|issue #14]], when he slew a Decepticon begging for mercy with a roar of "Request denied!"
*Grimlock instructs the demons to "munch metal", one of his more famous quotes from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.
*Magnus squeezes two [[Furmanism]]s into one speech balloon as he declares the demons are "[[Furmanism#FIGHT AND DIE|fighting and dying]] for Cybertron! [[Furmanism#CAN I DO LESS?|Can '''we''' do less?]]"
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===Real world-references===
*Grimlock quips that he "never look gift dinohippus in mouth". The ''[[Wikipedia:Dinohippus|Dinohippus]]'' was a kind of prehistoric horse; see, 'cause he's, like, a ''dinosaur'', so he talks about prehistoric equivalent of [http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/don%27t_look_a_gift_horse_in_the_mouth looking a gift horse in the mouth].
*When Blaster unleashes the sonic blast that fells Soundwave, he strikes an [[Wikipedia:Air guitar|air guitar]] pose. The sound effect that accompanies this, "Keraaaannng!", is of course an onomatopoeic rendering of an electronic guitar power chord, but is also likely a reference to UK rock music magazine ''[[Wikipedia:Kerrang!|Kerrang!]]''.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Rodimus versus Bludgeon, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Blaster versus (purple!) Soundwave, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Grimlock and the demons versus a Blitz Engine, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
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Less Than Zero

2013-09-22T22:40:51Z

Spenny:

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|date=[[September 18]], [[2013]]
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|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
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'''From Zero Space, Hot Rod looks in on four key moments from all across time, leading him to an incredible transformation.'''

==Synopsis==
Set adrift in [[Zero Space]], the void that exists at the end of creation where all of time has collapsed to a single point, Hot Rod is barely able to keep his thoughts coherent as he tumbles through the emptiness. Then, inexplicably, ground solidifies beneath his feet: ground that Hot Rod's data-files identify as that of [[Colorado|Denver, Colorado]], over twenty years in his relative past, at the time of the [[Autobot]]s' battle with the [[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]]. Though he was not present for the battle originally, Hot Rod is aware of the creature's history as a medical mechanoid warped by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]], and watches as the battle plays out according to history, with [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] acquiring the information that allows [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] to turn the creature's prime directive back upon it, convincing it to kill itself. But after the battle is done and the Autobots have departed, Hot Rod waits, and in time, discovers that the fragment of corrupted Matrix energy within the Deathbringer was not destroyed, and still lives...

Next, Hot Rod is whisked to [[Nova Cronum]] during the pre-war days of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and observes as a Transformer who he has never heard of, identifying himself as [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] meets with the High Circuitmaster [[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] and three other members of a "Brain Trust". These five, dubbed the "five greatest minds" on the planet by Boltax, are uploading their combined knowledge into a database they call the [[Underbase]]—but Jhiaxus, tired of Cybertron's policy of isolationism, takes control of the process and "slays" the others' mental projections, incapacitating them. Before they can recover, Jhiaxus obtains from the Underbase the data he requires to begin the creation of a cosmic empire, then erases all memory of himself from his fellows' minds and all other records.

In another whirl of nothingness, Hot Rod finds himself back on [[Earth]], during the opening stages of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s conquest of the planet. As the [[zombie]] "Ex-Bots" devastate a busy highway, [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]] and [[Jesse (G1)|Jessie]] Witwicky try to escape in their car, but are pursued. Buster has Jessie call [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] in hopes of calling upon the help of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], but the dejected Spike does not pick up the phone. Taking cover in a car wash, the pair are hunted down by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] and slain. Hot Rod has only a moment to wonder if the takeaway from this vision is the loss of Buster, or the present situation of Spike, before he is again pulled away across the void...

...and lands on an unfamiliar [[Junkion (planet)|world of junk]], which Hot Rod's painful landing indicates is a lot more tangible than the other locales he had visited. Following the sound of an explosion nearby, Hot Rod discovers the crashed remains of an Autobot shuttle of a design he does not recognize and its crew, and watches as [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] battles another version of ''himself'', transfigured by the power of the Matrix into "Rodimus Prime". Recalling [[Primus]]'s words that he "is Prime", Hot Rod believes that what he is seeing is his own destiny, be it the future or some parallel reality, and calls out a warning to his other self as [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] fly in on the attack. Rodimus Prime hears and turns in amazement, but is struck by the Decepticons' blasts, which break the chain holding the Matrix around his neck and send it flying. As Galvatron delivers the killing shot to Rodimus's fallen form, Hot Rod reaches out to touch the Matrix...

On the bridge of the ''[[Warworld]]'', [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] turns from the fallen [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], his attention caught by a flash of light behind him. Hot Rod has returned to his home time, and introduces himself to the Decepticon with the new name the Matrix has given him: now, he has become Rodimus Prime!

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*[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] (4)
*[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (8)
*[[Octane]] (16)
*[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (17)
*[[Skalor]] (18)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (19)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (20)
*[[Bugly]] (21)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (23)
*[[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (29)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (30)
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (31)
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*[[Jesse (G1)|Jessie Witwicky]] (9)
*[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (10)
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (22)
|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Deathbringer (Marvel)|Deathbringer]] (1)
*[[Boltax (G1)|Boltax]] (6)
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (7)
*"Brain Trust" member #3 (13)
*[[Decanus]] (14)
*"Brain Trust" member #5 (15)
*''[[Primus]]/[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]'' (28)
}}

==Quotes==
"This unorthodox meeting of the minds would have been infinitely poorer for my absence, don't you agree? Hardly worth having at all!" 
"You always did have an inflated opinion of yourself, Jhiaxus."
:- '''Jhiaxus''' and '''Decanus''' engaging in a bit of back and forth

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The first of this issue's four sections tells the story of the Autobots' battle with the Deathbringer, which was alluded to in [[Dark Creation|issue #65]]. That issue was itself referring to the two-part "[[Deathbringer (issue)|Deathbringer]]" story published in the Marvel UK series, in which the full battle was told in detail; this was the biggest allusion any of the US stories made to the UK material, but since ''Regeneration One'' has been established as ''not'' counting the UK stories for its continuity, this fills that storytelling gap in. Everything is functionally identical to the UK story, including some very similar and paraphrased dialogue.
*Boltax and the Underbase were introduced in [[The Flames of Boltax!|issue #48]], while Jhiaxus (who has put in some cameo appearances in ''Regeneration One'' up until now) debuted in the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' comic. An important distinction between the two depictions of Jhiaxus is introduced: in ''Generation 2'', the modern day Transformers were not aware of his existence because he was not created until they left Cybertron, but here, he did exist before then, and has erased all knowledge of himself from all records.
*With the [[Transformers: The Movie (Marvel comic)|movie adaptation]] not a part of the regular Marvel continuity, Arcee makes her first appearance in said continuity, though as part of Hot Rod's time travel to an alternate timeline, and only as a corpse. Girl can't catch a break.
*Buster intimates that he and Jessie got married some time between their last appearances during the [[Underbase Saga]] and now.
*While Bugly's appearance amongst Megatron's zombie horde may seem incongruous given that as a [[Pretender]] he survived the [[Underbase]] incident, the last time we saw him was as part of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s crew way back in [[The Interplanetary Wrestling Championship!|issue #55]]. Presumably he was deactivated off-panel at some point between then and when Primus summoned the Transformers to Cybertron in [[Out of Time!|issue #73]] and left behind on Earth for Megatron to find.

===Transformers references===
*The first and third sections of this issue, drawn by regular Marvel US contributors Geoff Senior and Jose Delbo, are colored in the classic Marvel comics style of Nel Yomtov, complete with faux [[Wikipedia:Ben-Day dots|Ben-Day dots]] and block-colored crowds.
*The second section, illustrated by Marvel UK alumnus Jeff Anderson, is rendered in a painted watercolor style, like that used by the first ninety-or-so issues of the Marvel UK series, with particular inspiration drawn from [[Tony Jozwiak]]'s work on "[[Target: 2006]]".
*The fourth section depicts an alternate version of the shuttle crash on Junkion portion of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (a work which was, of course, a huge influence on the UK series). In keeping with this, the coloring recreates the look of the movie's animation, with bold, cel-shaded figures and painted-looking backgrounds; Rodimus is even colored in his cartoon color scheme (see also Errors, below), while Galvatron remains in his Marvel colors. Furman has [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2013/08/26/script-wrap-regeneration-one-94/#comment-8921 noted] that this section is set in the alternate "[[Rhythms of Darkness!]]" timeline, but it contradicts that story on some points (such as the manners in which Kup and Rodimus die).
*Furthering this animated connection in the fourth section of the story, present among the deceased shuttle crew is [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]; she is the only one Hot Rod does not name, because she does not exist in his timeline, so he wouldn't know her.
*Throughout all four sections, Hot Rod remains colored in the standard modern style of ''Regeneration One'', as he's merely a traveler and not an occupant of those times.
*Nova Cronum was a Cybertronian polity introduced in [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages]]'' series.
*Buster perishing in a car wash by Ratbat's hands (claws?) alludes to their previous battle in such a locale, in the infamous issue #31, "[[Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom]]".
*On Cover B the car Buster and Jessie are fleeing the Decepti-Zombies in has T2006 UK on the tag, a reference to "[[Target: 2006]]".

===Real world-references===
*This issue is named for the [[wikipedia:Less Than Zero (song)|Elvis Costello song of the same name]].

===Errors===
*In the first panel he appears in, Rodimus Prime has a red boot, in accordance with his Marvel character model, but in all others—including the final page appearance by "our" Rodimus—his boots are grey, as in the cartoon.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Jhiaxus mentally attacks Boltax, by [[Andrew Wildman]] and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' Buster and Jessie flee the Ex-Bots, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Galvatron destroys Ultra Magnus on Junkion, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
*'''Cover RE:''' Megatron and the Decepticons in front of the [[Wikipedia: Halifax Town Clock|Town Clock]] in [[Wikipedia:Halifax Regional Municipality|Halifax, Nova Scotia]]. Exclusive to [http://www.giantrobotcomics.com/ Giant Robot Comics] (who are based in Halifax), by Casey Coller and John-Paul Bove.
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The Reluctant Specialist

2013-09-18T16:02:50Z

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|letters by=[[Shawn Lee]]
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|editor=[[John Barber]]
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'''Feeling underappreciated, Trailbreaker must face down a group of invading Decepticons alone after the rest of the ship's crew are felled by one of Brainstorm's cock-ups.'''

==Synopsis==
The ''[[Lost Light]]'' suffers a hull breach when it scrapes against debris floating in space, but [[Brainstorm]], [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] are able to fix the damage before it tears the ship apart. While working, Trailbreaker praises the others for their skills, but Chromedome responds that none of it would be possible without Trailbreaker's forcefield to seal the breach until they can finish their parts.

36 hours later, [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] is holding a ceremony to honor the ship's saviors: Brainstorm, Chromedome, and Highbrow. He awards each with the [[Rodimus Star]], a medal in the likeness of his own visage. Trailbreaker, bitter at being passed over, drowns his misery in drink at [[Swerve's]]. He confesses the source of his unhappiness to [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], who then, against Trailbreaker's protests, asks Rodimus the reason for the omission. Rodimus explains to Trailbreaker that generating forcefields is just what he does, like [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] carrying swords, and thus doesn't warrant special recognition.

Hearing all this, Whirl takes it upon himself to help Trailbreaker re-make his image. Among his suggestions is a name change, since "break" makes him sound like a screw-up, and Trailbreaker decides on "Trail''cutter''." Trailbreaker/Trailcutter contends his real problem is that everybody only thinks of him as "forcefield guy," not as an individual, so Whirl suggests he get a new weapon. Towards that end, they find [[Brainstorm]], currently in Shuttle Bay 3 examining the stowed space debris, but the weapons engineer's creations are all back in his workshop. Besides, Brainstorm asks, why would Trailbreaker want some handheld weapon when he has his built-in... "[[magnawheels]]"?

A tired Trailcutter heads back to his habitation suite to recharge. His roommate [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] away on a mission, he savours the solitude... only to be interrupted by a video call from [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]. The ship's resident chatterbox has been promised a Rodimus Star if he can get through a sponsored silence, and he'd like the aid of a forcefield to cover his vocal synthesizer. Trailcutter angrily hangs up and goes to sleep, truly unhappy to be "forcefield guy."

Twelve hours later, he wakes up to find that things are amiss. Everyone else on the ship is frozen in place, in some kind of mysterious stasis. Worse, Decepticons have boarded the ''Lost Light''! He encounters the bloodthirsty pair of [[Chop Shop]] and [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], only to discover that his forcefield's inexplicably not working. Instead, he escapes the duo by means of his magnawheels -- magnetic wheels that let him drive on walls -- and leads the hunters to the medibay, where he's able to take them out with the equipment on hand.

He then heads off to confront the remaining Decepticons, who number practically a small army and are gathered in Shuttle Bay 3. Their leader, [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]], explains their M.O.: They're [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Titan]] hunters. They hunt space for Metrotitans, kill them, and then scavenge the mythic giants' technology for their employer, who goes unidentified. They're here because the space debris is actually part of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s body, shed in transit.

Trailcutter bluffs that he's an incredibly powerful Autobot with amazing forcefield capabilities, so they had better retreat. To lend credence to his lie, he secretly hits a remote he grabbed from Brainstorm's lab, deactivating the artificial gravity for a few moments. With his magnawheels to keep him grounded, this gives off the illusion that he levitated the Decepticons with forcefields. He tells Lockdown that he's also generated a tiny forcefield in his spark, which he can expand to kill him. Psyched into believing he can feel the forcefield's pressure, Lockdown agrees to retreat.

Later, after everything's gone back to normal, a battered Hoist returns from his away mission. Trailcutter explains what happened: The ship-wide stasis was the result of one of Brainstorm's inventions acting up. Trailcutter had fallen asleep while angrily making forcefields, so there was one protecting him when the effect occurred. His forcefield generator shorted out in the process, but it's been fixed now. He proudly shows off the Rodimus Star he's earned for his little adventure... only for Hoist to one-up him: He pulls out a giant ''crest'' emblazoned with Rodimus's full figure. Hoist explains that everyone who was frozen received one for "exceptional endurance in the face of adversity." He's about to explain why he himself received one as well, but Trailcutter stomps off. He's going to Swerve's to get drunk... but first he intends to give Rodimus a piece of his mind.

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.) 
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*[[Brainstorm]] (1)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker/Trailcutter]] (2)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (3)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (4)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (5)
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] (6)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (7)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (8)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (9)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (10)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (12)
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (13)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (14)
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*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (15)
*[[Bob (IDW)|Bob]] (16)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (17)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] (19)
*[[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] (20)
*[[Rad]] (21)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (22)
*[[Dipstick]] (23)
*[[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] (24)
*[[Ambulon]] (25)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (26)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (27)
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*''[[Killmaster]]'' (18)
*[[Venom (G1)|Venom]] (28)
*[[Chop Shop]] (29)
*[[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]] (30)
*"[[V3]]" (31)
*[[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]] (32)
*"[[Blitzving]]" (33)
*[[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]] (34)
*Unnamed Decepticons (35-38)
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*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (11)
*''Unnamed [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitans]] (39-41)''
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==Quotes==

"Fantastic job, '''Chromedome!''' You too, '''Brainstorm!''' No wonder everyone calls you '''The Genius Twins!'''" 
"'''No one''' calls us the Genius Twins."
:—'''Trailbreaker''' and '''Chromedome'''

"I had this friend called '''[[Scalp]]'''..." 
""Scalp"? Ha! Did he turn into like a '''massive head''' or something?" 
"Hey. That was his '''real name.'''" 
"Why was he called that, then?" 
"'Cos he turned into a massive head."
:—'''Tailgate''' and '''Brainstorm'''

"I'm not in the mood, Whirl." 
"I can '''tell.''' You people with '''mouths''' - you're so transparent."
:—'''Trailbreaker''' and '''Whirl'''

"'''Whirl's Life Lesson Number 1:''' The ruder you are, the more people will respect you. Why d'you think everyone listens to '''Ultra Magnus'''?" 
"Because he's second-in-command?" 
"'''Wrong!''' Because he doesn't care. I hate him. But I kinda think he's amazing too. I get confused feelings."
:—'''Whirl''' and '''Trailbreaker'''

"Never mind that. Trailcutter's looking for a new weapon - Preferably something so '''powerful''' you'll need to take a week off after firing it." 
"All my newest inventions are in the '''workshop''' - Magma frag launchers, scatter blasters, static rays, laser lancers..." 
"Don't stop. I could listen to you all day."
:—'''Whirl''' would be so empty without '''Brainstorm''' in his life.

"What do people without forcefields do? Oh yeah! They use '''guns!'''"
:—'''Trailbreaker'''

"I'm the Autobot who lands the '''final punch.''' I'm the Autobot who gets to decide if you live. I'm a force of nature. An apocalypse on legs. The furious sound of '''symphonic brutality.'''"
:—And with that, '''Trailcutter''' is born.

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
* As noted on the inside front cover of the issue, this story takes place between [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|issue #5]] and [[Interiors|issue #6]] of ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''. Even if the comic hadn't outright stated it, there are more than enough chronological signposts in the story itself to help us figure this out, including:
** [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] isn't in the brig, but [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] is still around, making between #5 and #6 literally the only place the story can fit in continuity up to this point.
** [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] is seen taking stock of boxed medical equipment on page 6, which he has presumably brought back from his trip to [[Delphi]] in issue #5.
** When frozen, Rodimus is in the middle of chewing Rewind out over a pair of golden disks, obviously the "snuff movies" he got from [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] in #1 for which he was being punished in issue #6. He also stated in that issue that it was [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] who tattled on him, and sure enough Red's frozen self can be seen watching in the background.
** The issue ends with Trailcutter heading off to get plastered at Swerve's bar, leading directly into his appearance in issue #6.
* Issue #14 revealed that Chromedome received his name at the New [[Institute]], where he worked alongside Brainstorm. As such, this issue's revelation that the two and Highbrow all received their current names while working together would seem to indicate that Highbrow also worked there.
* Transformers fiction is not usually beholden to the character name changes that Hasbro has been forced to use on various toys in the past for reasons of [[trademark]]. However, since this issue was produced with the specific intent of being packed with the 2013 ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Trailcutter toy, it obviously needed to use the name that was going to be printed on the package, and so the change is explained in-story. This change was previously alluded to in the (chronologically later-occurring) ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|2012 annual]], in which "Trailcutter" was noted to be an alternate name for Trailbreaker; he obviously managed to get the new moniker to stick, as Swerve was later seen using it in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|#11]].
* While Trailguy would eventually do as Whirl suggested and "get some new bang-bang sticks", he would also follow Brainstorm's advice not to "weigh [him]self down with a handheld" - the new guns, seen in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Before & After|#12]], were strapped to his legs in imitation of Fort Max.
* Hoist and Trailcutter, revealed to be roommates here, can also be seen chumming it up in that issue.
* Barrage, Chop Shop and Venom's roles in Lockdown's group can be seen as a continuation of their positions in [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s Titan-hunting party from millions of years back, seen in [[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Spotlight: Thundercracker]].
* It's probably not a coincidence that in his sole previous IDW appearance in the ''[[The Transformers: Drift|Drift]]'' mini-series, Lockdown visited the planet [[Theophany]]—the only known resting place of a Metrotitan other than Metroplex.
* Hoist's away mission and injured state on return from it was elaborated on in his own Spotlight, out one month from this issue.

===Transformers references===
* As the issue begins, Trailbreaker is delivering some rather over-the-top words of encouragement to Chromedome, Brainstorm and Highbrow as they go about their task. This would appear to be perhaps the first instance in fiction of him actually playing the role that his original Generation 1 character profile credited him with: that of a cheerleader for the other Autobots.
* We get a single flashback panel of Whirl versus one truly hulking, scary-looking Decepticon. The monstrosity goes unnamed, but if we look carefully, we can see that he's holding a wand, marking him as the much-touted [[Killmaster]], previously mentioned in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #5, ''[[Omega's Conundrum|Spotlight: Orion Pax]]'' and, explaining this particular recollection, noted by Whirl to be his arch-enemy in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #13.
* The weapons listed off by Brainstorm include [[magma frag launcher]]s from ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' and [[scatter blaster]]s from [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]'s original toy bio.
* Trailcutter refers to [[Nightmare Fuel]], which he'll be shown to have in his "private stash" in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #11.
*In addition to pre-existing ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' immigrants Lockdown and [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]], the invading Decepticons include [[Blitzving|a 'Con directly based]] on [[Blitzwing (Animated)|''Animated'' Blitzwing]].
* The image of Rodimus on Hoist's huge crest is based directly on the [[package art]] of the original Rodimus Prime toy.

===Real-world references===
*[[V3|Another]] of Lockdown's group of 'Cons is based directly on Japanese ''tokusatsu'' superhero [[wikipedia:Kamen Rider V3 (character)|Kamen Rider V3]].
* The Spotlight's title could very well be a based off of the novel, ''The Reluctant Fundamentalist'', by ''Mohsin Hamid.''

===Trivia===
* Trailcutter name-checks several of Brainstorm's weapons... and gets each name slightly wrong. His ignorance is understandable when we consider two factors:
** As established earlier in the issue, he's never much needed guns because his forcefields have always sufficed.
** In the prose story "[[Bullets]]", he is shown to be a member of the Autobots' [[Ethics Committee]] and depicted with a particular distaste for inhumane weapons technology, a.k.a. Brainstorm's specialty.
* In the version of the issue packed in with Trailcutter's ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' toy, several edits to the script are made:
** Any reference to the name 'Trailbreaker' is removed. The dialogue on page 6 regarding his name change is cut, and any prior uses of his original name are changed to 'Trailcutter'.
**Mentions of guns and killing are replaced with blasters and destroying/hurting/etc.
**Overt references to alcohol consumption are removed, such as Trailcutter's offer to share a bottle of Nightmare Fuel, and his resolution to "get fendered" at the end of the issue.
**Some less explicable changes to the narration, such as moving the narration from page 8, panel 5 one panel earlier, and omitting the entirely harmless first narration box on page 9, panel 4.

===Errors===
* Page 8, panel 1: "Mission" is spelled "misison."
* Page 7, panel 3: "Preferably" is spelled "prefferably."
* A scripted appearance for [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]], helping with Metroplex's debris, is instead drawn as [[Landmine (Energon)|''Energon'' Landmine]] in his Brute Mode, although without the missile launcher on his left shoulder, thanks to the artist being unaware of the G1 character's existance. The error is telegraphed by his working on space debris, something in line with G1 Landmine's tech specs, which identify him as an asteroid miner.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-comics-discussion/953484-fun-note-about-spotlight-trailcutter.html Thread on TFW2005]</ref>

===Soundtrack===

As with ''More than Meets the Eye'', writer James Roberts offered up a "soundtrack" for this issue on the [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/index.php IDW Publishing forum].

*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQyhNfmjcOg Nobody Said This Would Be Easy]'' by [[Wikipedia:Cloud Cult|Cloud Cult]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYNPNDALj_Q Only Living Boy in New Cross]'' by [[Wikipedia:Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine|Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine]]

===Covers (4)===
* '''Cover A:''' Trailcutter behind his forcefield as the Decepticons bear down on him, by Matt Frank and [[Josh Perez]]
* '''Cover B:''' Trailcutter with his new arm gun, by [[Livio Ramondelli]]
* '''Cover RI:''' Trailcutter by [[Clayton Crain]]
* '''Cover RE:''' [[Dynamic Forces]] exclusive, cropped-in version of cover RI with DF logo
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The Reluctant Specialist

2013-09-18T04:06:25Z

Spenny:

{{comicstory|seriesissue=''[[The Transformers: Spotlight|The Transformers Spotlight]]: Trailcutter''
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'''Feeling underappreciated, Trailbreaker must face down a group of invading Decepticons alone after the rest of the ship's crew are felled by one of Brainstorm's cock-ups.'''

==Synopsis==
The ''[[Lost Light]]'' suffers a hull breach when it scrapes against debris floating in space, but [[Brainstorm]], [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] are able to fix the damage before it tears the ship apart. While working, Trailbreaker praises the others for their skills, but Chromedome responds that none of it would be possible without Trailbreaker's forcefield to seal the breach until they can finish their parts.

36 hours later, [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] is holding a ceremony to honor the ship's saviors: Brainstorm, Chromedome, and Highbrow. He awards each with the [[Rodimus Star]], a medal in the likeness of his own visage. Trailbreaker, bitter at being passed over, drowns his misery in drink at [[Swerve's]]. He confesses the source of his unhappiness to [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], who then, against Trailbreaker's protests, asks Rodimus the reason for the omission. Rodimus explains to Trailbreaker that generating forcefields is just what he does, like [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] carrying swords, and thus doesn't warrant special recognition.

Hearing all this, Whirl takes it upon himself to help Trailbreaker re-make his image. Among his suggestions is a name change, since "break" makes him sound like a screw-up, and Trailbreaker decides on "Trail''cutter''." Trailbreaker/Trailcutter contends his real problem is that everybody only thinks of him as "forcefield guy," not as an individual, so Whirl suggests he get a new weapon. Towards that end, they find [[Brainstorm]], currently in Shuttle Bay 3 examining the stowed space debris, but the weapons engineer's creations are all back in his workshop. Besides, Brainstorm asks, why would Trailbreaker want some handheld weapon when he has his built-in... "[[magnawheels]]"?

A tired Trailcutter heads back to his habitation suite to recharge. His roommate [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] away on a mission, he savours the solitude... only to be interrupted by a video call from [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]. The ship's resident chatterbox has been promised a Rodimus Star if he can get through a sponsored silence, and he'd like the aid of a forcefield to cover his vocal synthesizer. Trailcutter angrily hangs up and goes to sleep, truly unhappy to be "forcefield guy."

Twelve hours later, he wakes up to find that things are amiss. Everyone else on the ship is frozen in place, in some kind of mysterious stasis. Worse, Decepticons have boarded the ''Lost Light''! He encounters the bloodthirsty pair of [[Chop Shop]] and [[Venom (G1)|Venom]], only to discover that his forcefield's inexplicably not working. Instead, he escapes the duo by means of his magnawheels -- magnetic wheels that let him drive on walls -- and leads the hunters to the medibay, where he's able to take them out with the equipment on hand.

He then heads off to confront the remaining Decepticons, who number practically a small army and are gathered in Shuttle Bay 3. Their leader, [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]], explains their M.O.: They're [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Titan]] hunters. They hunt space for Metrotitans, kill them, and then scavenge the mythic giants' technology for their employer, who goes unidentified. They're here because the space debris is actually part of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]'s body, shed in transit.

Trailcutter bluffs that he's an incredibly powerful Autobot with amazing forcefield capabilities, so they had better retreat. To lend credence to his lie, he secretly hits a remote he grabbed from Brainstorm's lab, deactivating the artificial gravity for a few moments. With his magnawheels to keep him grounded, this gives off the illusion that he levitated the Decepticons with forcefields. He tells Lockdown that he's also generated a tiny forcefield in his spark, which he can expand to kill him. Psyched into believing he can feel the forcefield's pressure, Lockdown agrees to retreat.

Later, after everything's gone back to normal, a battered Hoist returns from his away mission. Trailcutter explains what happened: The ship-wide stasis was the result of one of Brainstorm's inventions acting up. Trailcutter had fallen asleep while angrily making forcefields, so there was one protecting him when the effect occurred. His forcefield generator shorted out in the process, but it's been fixed now. He proudly shows off the Rodimus Star he's earned for his little adventure... only for Hoist to one-up him: He pulls out a giant ''crest'' emblazoned with Rodimus's full figure. Hoist explains that everyone who was frozen received one for "exceptional endurance in the face of adversity." He's about to explain why he himself received one as well, but Trailcutter stomps off. He's going to Swerve's to get drunk... but first he intends to give Rodimus a piece of his mind.

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks.) 
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*[[Brainstorm]] (1)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker/Trailcutter]] (2)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (3)
*[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] (4)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] (5)
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] (6)
*[[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] (7)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (8)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (9)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (10)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (12)
*[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (13)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (14)
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*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (15)
*[[Bob (IDW)|Bob]] (16)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (17)
*[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] (19)
*[[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]] (20)
*[[Rad]] (21)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (22)
*[[Dipstick]] (23)
*[[First Aid (G1)|First Aid]] (24)
*[[Ambulon]] (25)
*[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] (26)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (27)
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*''[[Killmaster]]'' (18)
*[[Venom (G1)|Venom]] (28)
*[[Chop Shop]] (29)
*[[Barrage (Insecticon)|Barrage]] (30)
*"[[V3]]" (31)
*[[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]] (32)
*"[[Blitzving]]" (33)
*[[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]] (34)
*Unnamed Decepticons (35-38)
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*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (11)
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==Quotes==

"Fantastic job, '''Chromedome!''' You too, '''Brainstorm!''' No wonder everyone calls you '''The Genius Twins!'''" 
"'''No one''' calls us the Genius Twins."
:—'''Trailbreaker''' and '''Chromedome'''

"I had this friend called '''[[Scalp]]'''..." 
""Scalp"? Ha! Did he turn into like a '''massive head''' or something?" 
"Hey. That was his '''real name.'''" 
"Why was he called that, then?" 
"'Cos he turned into a massive head."
:—'''Tailgate''' and '''Brainstorm'''

"I'm not in the mood, Whirl." 
"I can '''tell.''' You people with '''mouths''' - you're so transparent."
:—'''Trailbreaker''' and '''Whirl'''

"'''Whirl's Life Lesson Number 1:''' The ruder you are, the more people will respect you. Why d'you think everyone listens to '''Ultra Magnus'''?" 
"Because he's second-in-command?" 
"'''Wrong!''' Because he doesn't care. I hate him. But I kinda think he's amazing too. I get confused feelings."
:—'''Whirl''' and '''Trailbreaker'''

"Never mind that. Trailcutter's looking for a new weapon - Preferably something so '''powerful''' you'll need to take a week off after firing it." 
"All my newest inventions are in the '''workshop''' - Magma frag launchers, scatter blasters, static rays, laser lancers..." 
"Don't stop. I could listen to you all day."
:—'''Whirl''' would be so empty without '''Brainstorm''' in his life.

"What do people without forcefields do? Oh yeah! They use '''guns!'''"
:—'''Trailbreaker'''

"I'm the Autobot who lands the '''final punch.''' I'm the Autobot who gets to decide if you live. I'm a force of nature. An apocalypse on legs. The furious sound of '''symphonic brutality.'''"
:—And with that, '''Trailcutter''' is born.

==Notes==

===Continuity notes===
* As noted on the inside front cover of the issue, this story takes place between [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|issue #5]] and [[Interiors|issue #6]] of ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''. Even if the comic hadn't outright stated it, there are more than enough chronological signposts in the story itself to help us figure this out, including:
** [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] isn't in the brig, but [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] is still around, making between #5 and #6 literally the only place the story can fit in continuity up to this point.
** [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] is seen taking stock of boxed medical equipment on page 6, which he has presumably brought back from his trip to [[Delphi]] in issue #5.
** When frozen, Rodimus is in the middle of chewing Rewind out over a pair of golden disks, obviously the "snuff movies" he got from [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] in #1 for which he was being punished in issue #6. He also stated in that issue that it was [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] who tattled on him, and sure enough Red's frozen self can be seen watching in the background.
** The issue ends with Trailcutter heading off to get plastered at Swerve's bar, leading directly into his appearance in issue #6.
* Issue #14 revealed that Chromedome received his name at the New [[Institute]], where he worked alongside Brainstorm. As such, this issue's revelation that the two and Highbrow all received their current names while working together would seem to indicate that Highbrow also worked there.
* Transformers fiction is not usually beholden to the character name changes that Hasbro has been forced to use on various toys in the past for reasons of [[trademark]]. However, since this issue was produced with the specific intent of being packed with the 2013 ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Trailcutter toy, it obviously needed to use the name that was going to be printed on the package, and so the change is explained in-story. This change was previously alluded to in the (chronologically later-occurring) ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|2012 annual]], in which "Trailcutter" was noted to be an alternate name for Trailbreaker; he obviously managed to get the new moniker to stick, as Swerve was later seen using it in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|#11]].
* While Trailguy would eventually do as Whirl suggested and "get some new bang-bang sticks", he would also follow Brainstorm's advice not to "weigh [him]self down with a handheld" - the new guns, seen in ''More than Meets the Eye'' [[Before & After|#12]], were strapped to his legs in imitation of Fort Max.
* Hoist and Trailcutter, revealed to be roommates here, can also be seen chumming it up in that issue.
* Barrage, Chop Shop and Venom's roles in Lockdown's group can be seen as a continuation of their positions in [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s Titan-hunting party from millions of years back, seen in [[The Hunting Party (IDW)|Spotlight: Thundercracker]].
* It's probably not a coincidence that in his sole previous IDW appearance in the ''[[The Transformers: Drift|Drift]]'' mini-series, Lockdown visited the planet [[Theophany]]—the only known resting place of a Metrotitan other than Metroplex.
* Hoist's away mission and injured state on return from it was elaborated on in his own Spotlight, out one month from this issue.

===Transformers references===
* As the issue begins, Trailbreaker is delivering some rather over-the-top words of encouragement to Chromedome, Brainstorm and Highbrow as they go about their task. This would appear to be perhaps the first instance in fiction of him actually playing the role that his original Generation 1 character profile credited him with: that of a cheerleader for the other Autobots.
* We get a single flashback panel of Whirl versus one truly hulking, scary-looking Decepticon. The monstrosity goes unnamed, but if we look carefully, we can see that he's holding a wand, marking him as the much-touted [[Killmaster]], previously mentioned in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #5, ''[[Omega's Conundrum|Spotlight: Orion Pax]]'' and, explaining this particular recollection, noted by Whirl to be his arch-enemy in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #13.
* The weapons listed off by Brainstorm include [[magma frag launcher]]s from ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' and [[scatter blaster]]s from [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]'s original toy bio.
* Trailcutter refers to [[Nightmare Fuel]], which he'll be shown to have in his "private stash" in ''More than Meets the Eye'' #11.
*In addition to pre-existing ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]'' immigrants Lockdown and [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]], the invading Decepticons include [[Blitzving|a 'Con directly based]] on [[Blitzwing (Animated)|''Animated'' Blitzwing]].
* The image of Rodimus on Hoist's huge crest is based directly on the [[package art]] of the original Rodimus Prime toy.

===Real-world references===
*[[V3|Another]] of Lockdown's group of 'Cons is based directly on Japanese ''tokusatsu'' superhero [[wikipedia:Kamen Rider V3 (character)|Kamen Rider V3]].
* The Spotlight's title could very well be a based off of the novel, ''The Reluctant Fundementalist'', by ''Mohsin Hamid''

===Trivia===
* Trailcutter name-checks several of Brainstorm's weapons... and gets each name slightly wrong. His ignorance is understandable when we consider two factors:
** As established earlier in the issue, he's never much needed guns because his forcefields have always sufficed.
** In the prose story "[[Bullets]]", he is shown to be a member of the Autobots' [[Ethics Committee]] and depicted with a particular distaste for inhumane weapons technology, a.k.a. Brainstorm's specialty.
* In the version of the issue packed in with Trailcutter's ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' toy, several edits to the script are made:
** Any reference to the name 'Trailbreaker' is removed. The dialogue on page 6 regarding his name change is cut, and any prior uses of his original name are changed to 'Trailcutter'.
**Mentions of guns and killing are replaced with blasters and destroying/hurting/etc.
**Overt references to alcohol consumption are removed, such as Trailcutter's offer to share a bottle of Nightmare Fuel, and his resolution to "get fendered" at the end of the issue.
**Some less explicable changes to the narration, such as moving the narration from page 8, panel 5 one panel earlier, and omitting the entirely harmless first narration box on page 9, panel 4.

===Errors===
* Page 8, panel 1: "Mission" is spelled "misison."
* Page 7, panel 3: "Preferably" is spelled "prefferably."
* A scripted appearance for [[Landmine (G1)|Landmine]], helping with Metroplex's debris, is instead drawn as [[Landmine (Energon)|''Energon'' Landmine]] in his Brute Mode, although without the missile launcher on his left shoulder, thanks to the artist being unaware of the G1 character's existance. The error is telegraphed by his working on space debris, something in line with G1 Landmine's tech specs, which identify him as an asteroid miner.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-comics-discussion/953484-fun-note-about-spotlight-trailcutter.html Thread on TFW2005]</ref>

===Soundtrack===

As with ''More than Meets the Eye'', writer James Roberts offered up a "soundtrack" for this issue on the [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/index.php IDW Publishing forum].

*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQyhNfmjcOg Nobody Said This Would Be Easy]'' by [[Wikipedia:Cloud Cult|Cloud Cult]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYNPNDALj_Q Only Living Boy in New Cross]'' by [[Wikipedia:Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine|Carter the Unstoppable Sex Machine]]

===Covers (4)===
* '''Cover A:''' Trailcutter behind his forcefield as the Decepticons bear down on him, by Matt Frank and [[Josh Perez]]
* '''Cover B:''' Trailcutter with his new arm gun, by [[Livio Ramondelli]]
* '''Cover RI:''' Trailcutter by [[Clayton Crain]]
* '''Cover RE:''' [[Dynamic Forces]] exclusive, cropped-in version of cover RI with DF logo
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Talk:Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)

2013-09-04T03:51:43Z

Spenny: /* Dinobots */ new section

Does [http://jalopnik.com/did-transformers-4-rip-off-this-guys-design-for-the-ne-510655228 this] belong here? Should I keep it for later?

Basically, allegations that Bumblebee's new (officially confirmed) alternate mode is directly based on some random guy's customized Camaro.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:31, 14 June 2013 (EDT)

It's called Transformers: Age of Extinction. - [[User:SoundWave|SoundWave]] 11:03, 2 September 2013 (EDT)
:That's not going onto the article 'til an official press release actually announces it. As of right now, it isn't officially confirmed. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 11:10, 2 September 2013 (EDT)

== Dinobots ==

Given that they've been officially confirmed, I would imagine they would be given a mention somewhere on this page. Not saying we should go so far as to add Grimlock to the featured characters, but I would have thought they'd have some sort of mention here or there.

Talk:ManBearPig

2013-09-04T03:41:08Z

Spenny: Created page with "There are few things that I don't believe are legitimate on this site, but ManBearPig? That was actually put in the Allspark Almanac?"

There are few things that I don't believe are legitimate on this site, but ManBearPig? That was actually put in the Allspark Almanac?

Ammo

2013-09-04T03:19:46Z

Spenny:

{{factions|autobot}}
:''Ammo is an [[Autobot]] from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

{{faceless}}

'''Ammo''' is a member of the ''[[Lost Light]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s crew. It's entirely possible he has criminal tendencies.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
{{spoilers|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|31 August}}
{{ongoing}}
Trapped in a cell by Chief Justice [[Tyrest (G1)|Tyrest]] on the legendarily lost [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], [[Hot Rod (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rodimus]] was informed by [[Minimus Ambus]] that amongst his crimes was harbouring a criminal aboard the ''Lost Light''. Trying to guess who among the ship's crew was the culprit, Rodimus picked Ammo fourth, after [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], [[Atomizer]] and [[Lancet]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 3 of 5: The Divided Self|The Divided Self}}

==Notes==
*When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] first cast his eye over the crew manifest of the ''Lost Light'' in "[[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It]]", he picked out several Autobots whose names begin with "A" that he considered to be potential troublemakers. It's likely that Ammo was one of these.
*In [[James Roberts]]' fan-novel ''Eugenesis'', there is an Autobot that is also called Ammo. However, ''that'' Ammo was killed and beheaded by Quintesson forces. Ouch.
*And if you dig deep enough into the Transmasters UK fan-continuity, you may come across Ammo's name in one of Roberts' earlier fanfictions known as ''The Polyhex Wars''. In this piece, he is shown to have a much larger role as a totally epic sniper, previously known as ''Sights''. Whether or not this would match his persona in the IDW canon is unknown, but given the differences between the character ''Quark'' in his unofficial fan novel ''Eugenesis'' and the [[Quark]] in ''Shadowplay'', it would be best to leave Ammo's personality to the imagination of the reader.

[[Category:Comic-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]

Talk:Transformers: Generations (toyline)

2013-08-14T03:14:00Z

Spenny: /* Flanker and Payload */ new section

Can we get a source on Blurr coming in a future wave? I thought that was an April Fool's joke. --Anon, 10:42, 26 April 2010
:[http://www.parrygamepreserve.com/newsDetail.php?jID=1325 Parry Game Preserve's March Q&A answers]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:23, 26 April 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron ==

I don't know how much this means, but if you click on "War for Cybertron toys" on Hasbro's [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War for Cybertron] page it brings up the whole first wave of Generations. I doubt that this in itself pulls Drift and Thrust into the ''[[Transformers: Prime]]'' [[continuity family]], but I suppose there is a small chance that this is the direction Hasbro is going. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:05, 1 July 2010 (EDT)
: It means nothing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Launch Date ==

-Have the toys hit retail yet? I havn't seen them anywhere, but the page doesn't say Wave 1 is "scheduled for release" anymore.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:25, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:One can order them on Walmart.com, thus why there isn't the 'scheduled for release' template for Wave 1. Looking forward to them being sold at actual stores. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:08, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::They ARE being sold at actual stores. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:32, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Depends on where you are. Around here (NC) stores tend to be about 2 months behind NY/CA in getting things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:51, 22 July 2010 (EDT)
::::My local Walmart seems to have many Wave 4 ROTF Deluxe toys left. Back on topic; thank you, Blackout, for sharing. Looking forward to seeing them at stores in my neck of the woods. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:26, 22 July 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 2 coming out?

Speaking of Wave 2, it seems to me that Drift and Thrust are not part of Wave 1. WFC Optimus and Bumblebee have been at stores for about a month, but I havn't seen the former two.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 12:12, 27 August 2010 (EDT)
: This is because Toys R Us got an advance WFC-only case to promote WFC when WFC came out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:26, 27 August 2010 (EDT)

-I think Dirge and Blurr will be released by this christmas, as they weren't included in Cybertroncon's "Spring 2011" transformers,but they didn't mention Reflector or Cliffjumper did they?
::Dirge and Blurr are being shipped by BigBadToyStore right now. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:05, 24 September 2010 (EDT)

-When is wave 5 coming out?

DESPERATELY SEEKING BLURR!! I've seen reportrs of people buying him in stores, but I havn't seen him anywhere. Are these reports true? I don't want to miss out on this guy.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 18:57, 27 November 2010 (EST)

——They sure are true, I've got Dirge, Blurr, Cliffjumper and Thunderwing, maybe it's just your location.

== Other "Generations-like" packaged toys ==

There's a bunch of toys that are in Generations-like packaging that don't say Generations on it: the new Seacons set, the dollar-store Classics Mini-Con redecos, the ROTF Activators (and probably other stuff I've forgotten). Should we place them under Generations here and in their individual articles? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:40, 8 August 2010 (EDT)
:Thanks for the total lack of comments, guys. Good hustle. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:57, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
::Just put them under the subtitle-less toyline. If they were meant to be in Generations, they would have it on their boxes. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 09:03, 14 August 2010 (EDT)
:::Here's one - Masterpiece Grimlock is in a subtitle-less Generations style red packaging, but Hasbro's presentation slides (from Toy Fair, I believe) place him in Universe. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:25, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

== War for Cybertron toys ==

"* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's [http://www2.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War For Cybertron] webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go." It also brings up some PCC toys. Hasbro just loves messing with us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:41, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

== Kup ==
Is Kup confirmed enough for inclusion on the page? With the picture on the battle in space 2 pack, it seems compleatly comfirmed.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 19:38, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not until it's officially announced. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 19:39, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:: Pretty sure he was officially announced at BotCon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:56, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Not really. They were vague in that Hasbro way at best. And it's not like G1 guys don't get fictional redesigns with frequency. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:32, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::I don't think going "cough cough KUP cough cough" in answer to "which guys coming out can you not talk about" in front of hundreds of people is vague at all. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::Well, I didn't know that. I suppose I'd wait until slightly more solid confirmation, but I guess I admit defeat for now. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:49, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
::::::I would suggest holding off on adding Kup until we're sure which toyline he'll be part of: Generations, Transformers (2010 toyline), or possibly something else (which most likely would be improbable since the main part of 2011 would focus on the third movie). Just want to spare everyone the trouble of cutting and pasting from one article to another like what was done for Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:09, 3 October 2010 (EDT)
:::::::I agree with this. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:11, 3 October 2010 (EDT)

== Gen 2 Optimus Prime ==

I know that Gen 2 Optimus has been announced, but he wasn't declared a 'Generations' toy, was he? I know I listed him as such on the G1 Optimus Prime toy article, but there's a possibility that I might have jumped the gun (like what was done with Special Ops Jazz). That's why I removed him from the list on this article (after adding him the day before). Meanwhile, I'll leave the Prime toy page as is until there's verification. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:24, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:I hate how Hasbro is handling this! They have separate toylines and separate fictions, but the toylines don't match up to the fictions! ARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why couldn't "Transformers" just be movie line figures and "Generations" non-movie line figures? (Sidebar- Why do retailers seem to think that movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie toys? OTHER than TFs and Star Wars EVERY movie line seems to clog shelves for years! The two Hulk toy lines were taking up tons of space on shelves right next to each other!) Okay, end of ranting. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:32, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:: I would imagine that retailers think to seem Transformers movie toys are a better sales bet than non-movie Transformers toys because they very very obviously are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:51, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
:::Especially after the huge demands for Transformers toys that lead to empty shelves in 2007. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 11:58, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
::::Huh. Haven't noticed such a huge disparity around here. TFs have pretty much had the same shelf space since RID and have sold pretty steadily (except maybe Energon). The only real jump in shelf space was when Movie, Universe and Animated were running concurrently. Even then all sold well, with Movie having the largest proportion of shelfwarmers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:55, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

== Shouldn't Tracks, Jazz et al at least get a mention in the article ==
I know Hasbro ain't exactly making this easy for us with their confusing brand nomenclature, but shoudn't we making it easy for ourselves? I know this is simlar to the Kup and G2 Prime points above, but we currently do know how Jazz and Tracks are coming. They are obviously CHUG in design, though not in brand. They deserve a mention in the article. I would do it myself right now, but the more anankastic among us would automatically click the undo button and I couldn't be arsed wasting the effort in that particular style of edit war. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 07:34, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, not if they aren't ''Generations''. They are listed on the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]'' page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:47, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::Crockalley had added a note that was then edited by me to say "The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers 2010 toyline]] contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements." Is there consensus to leave this note, remove it entirely or edit it? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:05, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
:::I say leave the note as is. Having two toylines, both of which has G1-based characters in them, does cause confusion. Hopefully Hasbro will do be better job of seperating characters if they have future branching main toylines. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:50, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
::::And another batch of expected Generations figures is revealed as 2010 line instead. Any bets on how much longer this remains an ongoing line? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:14, 27 October 2010 (EDT)
::::: For as long as Hasbro wants to maximize shelf space. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:24, 29 October 2010 (EDT)

I know this doesn't belong on this page's talk page, but we haven't really got a grasp on HFTD or Reveal the Shiled sublines of the other line. And right now giving each of those lines their own category is as a good as a suggestion as any (i.e not much). The retailiers are doing better job than us on this point. [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 16:12, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:Actually after reading the discussion on Lugnut's talk page, and the more the I think of it, is Generations any more of a separate line than HFTD or RTS? Wouldn't it make as much sense as to incorpoarte Generations under Transformers 2010? A bit like how Universe 2008 had G1 series, War Within series, G2 series etc etc 15:59, 4 November 2010 (EDT)
::No, because Generations has a different style of packaging. Universe '08 had the same packaging while denoting which era the toys came from. HFTD and RTS is only a promo. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 16:22, 4 November 2010 (EDT)

== United ==
-I want to know more about the relationship between Generations and the united toyline...Is Generations releasing Wheeljack and Kup like United, or is United releasing additional transformers. Besides, when is United being released?
: We don't have official solicitations from Hasbro about Wheeljack or Kup, but there is no doubt that we'll see them over here. Takara wouldn't make those toys on their own; it just doesn't happen. As for release dates, the preorder pages on BigBadToyStore and the like will tell you that. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:19, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Difficulty bar note ==

What is that note about the difficulty bar trying to say? What is the difficulty bar for in lines that aren't all deluxes? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:14, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
:Normally, the difficulty bar denotes the size of the toy rather than how difficult it is to convert the toy (or so has been my observation). If you take a look on the packaging of past toys (and on the packaging of the Transformers (2010) toyline), you'll notice that ''all'' the Deluxe-sized toys has a difficulty rating of 3, ''all'' the Voyager-class toys has a rating of 4, etc. However, Universe '08 Onslaught (an Ultra-size toy with a difficulty rating of 4) was a cinch to transform while TF (2010) Ironhide (a Deluxe-sized toy with a difficulty rating of 3) was a pain in the....neck to convert (especially with that chest piece you had to get just right and then you move him a little and it pops out! '''Argh!!!'''). But with the 'Generations' line, Hasbro was kind enough to have individual ratings for the toys (as noted in the article). Therefore, if it says Cybertronian Bumblebee is a 4th-level difficulty toy, I'm not as aggrevated and less compelled to break the toy in half out of frustration ("You knew the danger when you took it", as one feathered superhero used to say). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 08:45, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
::Some 2010 Deluxes have difficulty ratings of 4 now. Maybe Hasbro is rationalizing things. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:41, 30 November 2010 (EST)

== Arcee and others ==

There was an interesting article on TFW showing some possible figures.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/generations-arcee-and-warpath-listed-171232/] Is this source good enough for those too be added?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 00:29, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:The article simply mentioned some listings in Walmart's database, then went on to speculate. Sorry, but that's not enough in my book. Besides, we don't know which Warpath is being made into a Generations toy (G1 or Prime...or, though highly unlikely, Animated). As for Arcee, yes, it could be the G1 version since it's the Generations line, but Hasbro might throw us for a loop and come out with a Movieverse version of Arcee (despite one being released for 'ROTF' as well as Elita-One being part of the TF2010 line). Or, Arcee could be the 'Energon' version. Just be patient, gang, and we'll find out for sure soon enough. Until then, pray for a Generations version of Battletrap. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:02, 8 January 2011 (EST)
::I'd just like to pint out that computer listings can, have, and will change. We'd found computer listings for Alternators that never existed. BW Cackle was named "Kangaroo" when he rung up AT THE REGISTER, just as Mutant Razorclaw came up "Dinobite". So... yeah. Lot of variable that can easily change. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:36, 8 January 2011 (EST)
:::Can we protect this page or something? This is getting ridiculous. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:59, 9 January 2011 (EST)

== Warpath? ==

Why is he on there right now, has he been officially stated to be part of the line? --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 04:31, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:At Toyfair, I believe. If not, I know he's been officially solicited to retailers. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:54, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::He was not mentioned at Toy Fair. <strike>We'd only officially know he exists due to Zobovor's Walmart computer listings, and we already know those are out of date because Arcee, Bumblebee, and Starscream are no longer Generations. Warpath should not yet be on this list.</strike> Durrrr, BBTS has him for preorder. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::BBTS pre-order is official enough for us to list, then? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:48, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::::I think so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:02, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Good show, thanks for the clarification. --[[User:Karhukjnsi|Karhukjnsi]] 16:47, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Kaon Prisoner does not understand what waves are. ==

Wave 8 has only one toy: Warpath. THIS IS NOT A WAVE, WAVES CONSIST OF FOUR FIGURES, NOT ONE!!! So can I make a change? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 19:31, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
:No. That is a wave, Warpath is just the only new figure in it. The rest are figures from older waves. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:13, 15 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think it would be useful to include all of the toys included within a wave to the section, though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 16 May 2011 (EDT)

No, 'cause it's only one toy on wave 8, that's not a wave, they should make three more. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:03, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

P.S. A wave is 4 figures, that's what I meant. Why don't you understand me? --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:05, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
: A wave is not 4 figures. A wave has never ever ever been defined as 4 figures, except only by you, right now. A case of Deluxe Class toys has 8 figures, and the number of distinct toys in that case, new or old, can range from 1 to 8. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:09, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

About the title: I ''do'' know what waves are, thank you very much. '''''ALSO:''''' What about the others?! --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:11, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:Wave 8's layout is as follows: One Scourge, one Kup, two Wheeljacks, two Thundercrackers and two Warpaths: [http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=HT98452H] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:16, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

At [[User: ItsWalky]]: Not as a box, as a single figure, I have Generations Megs and Soundwave, it's four, not 8, you must be confused with [[Reveal The Shield]]. As in [[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus]]. So... logic dictates that you're an idiot. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:20, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Detour: No those are from other waves. Also way too many figures. Sigh. Look, it's only one figure! Currently. Or is it never, what with the Prime toyline rolling in? Also the caption is "That's it! We're done!" So that ''is'' it. They ''are'' done. ''THEY NO LONGER MAKING ANYMORE YOYS!!!!!!!'' --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:36, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
:You need to read the definition of a [[wave]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:40, 17 May 2011 (EDT)
::To clarify for Kaon Prisoner: A case contains 8 figures. Those eight figures make up a wave. They may be all the same or they may be eight different figures or some mixture. When the figures in a case change, that is a new wave. Often some figures from a previous wave will continue to be shipped in the new wave. Example: Wave 1 may contain 2 each of Figures A, B, C, and D. Wave 2 may contain 2 As, 2 Bs, 1C, 1D and two Figure Es. A, B, C, D and E are ALL Wave 2 figures but only Figure E is new. This is the situation with Warpath and the rest of Wave 8. A = Wheeljack, B = Thundercracker, C = Scourge, D = Kup and E = Warpath. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:49, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

@Khauis... Ah fuhgeddit... (and this is me quoting TRON:) I don't get it. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:00, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Also I've read the article on waves, thanks for the tip. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 17:06, 20 May 2011 (EDT)
:If you've read my explanation and the article on waves and still don't understand, then I don't know what to tell you to show you why you're mistaken. I would advise you that calling people idiots is not good behavior. Especially when one of them (ItsWalky) is an admin on this site. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:16, 20 May 2011 (EDT)

Sorry about that. --[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 14:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

== Hm. ==

They've not announced new figures. Strange.--[[User:Kaon Prisoner|Kaon Prisoner]] 21:42, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:The Generations toyline has ran its course. It's now all about the DOTM line and the Transformers: Prime line (which is scheduled for sometime in October). This is the natural course of toylines nowadays. Check out the [[Subline imprint]] article (especially the 'Game Theory' subheading) for more information. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 21:55, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
::Actually NO. Hasbro has insisted consistantly and just repeated at Botcon that Generations is not over and will continue at least through the end of the year. So his Hmm. Strange. Kinda stands. It may be they're still going to include Prime in Generations. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 22:10, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:::Even if they do more Generations figures later this year, it still is to be expected that there would be no new announcements about them right now. Right now, Hasbro's focus is on DOTM. Basically every release we will hear about for the next 3 months will be DOTM. So, no, that "strange" doesn't stand. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:30, 7 June 2011 (EDT)
:::We saw the packaging for Prime toys at BotCon. It isn't Generations packaging. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 15:12, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Do the Asian exclusives count towards the 40+ Generations toys mentioned at Toy Fair? [[Special:Contributions/90.192.94.240|90.192.94.240]] 08:43, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

:No. 1) 40+ are US releases, those are not, 2) those are 2012 releases, the 40 are for 2013.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 09:31, 21 March 2012 (EDT)

== 2013 Generations at SDCC ==

First, Asian exclusives will come to US, at Toys R US:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/asian-import-exclusive-transformers-generations-hasbro-official-images-175484/

And voyager Grimlock is confirmed with a bunch of repains:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/2012-transformers-generations-official-hasbro-product-images-175488/

== Future toys ==

The page is missing Voyager Grimlock and Blaster. Also the Asian exclusives are coming to the U.S.

== Language on multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends ==

Does anybody know what language is on the multilingual packaging on those Toys R Us exclusive legends? Chinese? Japanese? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:18, 14 December 2012 (EST)
:Chinese.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:30, 14 December 2012 (EST)

== Asian retail exclusives continuity ==
Is it because these figures are imported from Asia that we consider the characters G1 as opposed to Prime? I mean they clearly look like G1, but I thought all future toys were part of an aligned continuity. [[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 16:46, 15 December 2012 (EST)
: I don't think it was said anywhere that "all future toys are part of Aligned." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:30, 15 December 2012 (EST)

== Japanese Generations Releases ==
So how is the wiki going to be handling listing these? I noticed the site is mostly void of mentioning the Japanese versions. The releases are mostly inline with what Hasbro is doing, but the number is different and obviously the figures are very different. Thanks! [[User:Poweredconvoy|poweredconvoy]] 20:38, 3 February 2013 (EST)

== Flanker and Payload ==

I know that they are based off of Blast Master and Sky High in appearance, but are we really going to put them under the toy sections for the G1 Sky High and Blast Master? There are already names for Flanker and Payload so why don't we just place the toys under the names they were given instead of the appearances they were based off of.

Talk:Second Exodus

2013-08-11T00:52:54Z

Spenny: /* Nails and Others */ new section

Should Starscream still be listed as a Decepticon? He removed his insignia and effectively left the Decepticons to pursue his own agenda, if Jazz and Swindle and now 'others' surely old Screamer should be too? [[User:Mister Jazzz|Mister Jazz]] 08:45, 8 June 2013 (EDT)

== Nails and Others ==

I noticed that starting with this issue, in the featured characters section, we have stopped grouping characters like Tappet and Metalhawk under "NAILs" and have started grouping them under "Others" instead. While in the fiction the term NAIL is frowned upon by the Non-Aligned Cybertronians, the issue summaries still refer to them as such, so I can't imagine why we wouldn't continue to do the same in the featured character section. So are we sticking to NAILs, or Others?

Dark Shadows!

2013-08-04T20:35:57Z

Spenny:

{{Comicstory|
|seriesissue=''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Transformers: Generation 2]]'' #11
|prev=Total War!
|next=A Rage in Heaven!
|title="Dark Shadows!"
|image=MarvelUSG2-11.jpg
|caption='''"MERRIN!"'''
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=July [[1994]]
|coverdate=September 1994
|writer=[[Simon Furman]]
|artist=[[Geoff Senior]] ("Tales of Earth Part Eight")
|penciler=[[Manny Galan]] ("Dark Shadows!")
|inker=[[Jim Amash]] ("Dark Shadows!")
|colorist=[[Sarra Mossoff]]
|letterers=[[Richard Starkings]] with [[Comicraft]]
|editor=[[Rob Tokar]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
}}
'''Starscream tortures Optimus Prime and Megatron while Jhiaxus gets Biblical upon the Earth.<ref>"Getting Biblical" is like "getting Medieval", but with more fire from Heaven.</ref>

==Synopsis==
==="Dark Shadows!"===
[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] has bonded with the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] ''and'' the ''[[Warworld]]'', creating one super-powerful entity—with the intention of conquering the universe. Now possessing the ability to shape and mold the ''Warworld'' into anything his twisted imagination desires, he obliterates the attacking [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] craft. Now he intends to make [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] suffer for all the humiliations they've inflicted on him—they face [[Furmanism|"quite literally ... a whole ''world'' of ''pain!''"]].

On [[Earth]], [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] finds out the [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]] have lost control of the ''Warworld'' because one of his subordinates was thick enough to leave Starscream on it. Enraged by this and the inability of his troops to defeat the [[Autobot]]-[[Decepticon]] forces, he declares he will personally take charge of the situation and kill everyone on the ''Warworld'' if it's not returned to him. [[Rook (G2)|Rook]] is smashed aside when he tries to offer input, and realizes that Jhiaxus is increasingly slipping back into the sadistic tyranny of his early days—the existence of the older generations is getting to him. Rook does the only thing he can: he contacts the [[Liege Maximo]].

[[Image:Warworld starscream.jpg|left|250px|thumb|The pun hurt more than the injury.]]
Megatron and Optimus Prime continue to be tormented by Starscream, with no way to fight back—Optimus can no longer contact the Matrix mentally, thanks to Megatron separating it from him physically. The two leaders are swept towards a [[plasma energy]] core, with Megatron saving his old enemy (who is preoccupied with the desire to contact Jhiaxus and make him realize the threat of the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]) from death. However, this still leaves them dangling and at risk, and Starscream swiftly impales Megatron. Determined not to lose to Starscream, Megatron throws Optimus Prime toward some cables so they can split up and divide the traitor's attention. Optimus almost doesn't make it, only for a cable to swing towards him; further down, Megatron gives Starscream [[Furmanism|the worst case of indigestion he ever had]].

Admiring his nemesis's direct tactics and desiring for the alliance to be more than one of convenience, Optimus Prime wanders through the unfamiliar corridors of the ''Warworld'', knowing it'll take a miracle for him to get where he wants to go. Meanwhile, Megatron fights on and remains dismissive of Starscream even as he's about to be killed, but the traitor's attention is diverted before he can finish the job: Jhiaxus is leading the Cybertronian fleet in a coordinated assault! The ''Warworld'' is slaughtering wave after wave of Jhiaxus' men, but he just keeps sending fresh waves in...

Optimus reaches the ''Warworld''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s control center, bewildered at how the corridors seemed to shift around him as if they wanted him to reach it. Putting that aside, he contacts Jhiaxus to beg for a cease-fire and an alliance against the Swarm. Jhiaxus listens...

...and then orders the ''[[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]]'' to fire upon the [[Earth]]!

==="Tales of Earth Part Eight"===
[[Image:Franciscog2aftermath.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Somewhere in the Allspark, Bludgeon is muttering "I coulda done that, I just didn't feel like it...".]]
[[San Francisco]] is wiped off the face of the Earth in a single, devastating blast. Optimus Prime screams at Jhiaxus to talk to him, that this serves no purpose, before collapsing at the enormity of how many have died because he took the alliance to Earth. At the Nevada basin, the Autobots and Decepticons watch the distant light and mushroom cloud in stunned horror.

On the ''Twilight'', Jhiaxus orders for their guns to be fired again — even if it will kill his own troops on Earth. However, without warning, the ''Twilight'' is stopped in its attack by the ''Warworld''. Starscream isn't corrupting the Matrix, ''it's'' corrupting ''him'' and making him protect all life on Earth. Optimus realizes that the Matrix-influenced Starscream had subconsciously been ensuring Prime survived and reached the control center, and that the Matrix cannot be truly influenced. There is yet hope...

And then it's gone. "The Swarm is here!"
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (2)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] (8)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (1)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (3)
*[[Manta Ray (G2)|Manta Ray]] (7)
*[[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] (9)

|h4=[[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronians]]|c4=
*''Assorted doomed Cybertronian soldiers'' (4)
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (5)
*[[Rook (G2)|Rook]] (6)

|h5=Others|c5=
*[[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]] (10)
}}

==Quotes==
'''Megatron:''' You know the Matrix better than ''any'' of us. It's been a part of you for as long as I can remember! Can't you... ''talk to it?'' 
'''Optimus Prime:''' As usual, Megatron, you think only in terms of possession, ''control.'' The Matrix was ''never'' mine to command, not ever.
:''See Errors, below.''

"Spikes again, Starscream? Is that the ''limit'' of your imagination? You control an entire world — try, at least, to be ''original''!"
:—'''Megatron'''

"Better — ''uuu!'' — but hardly original!"
:—'''Megatron''', three panels later, being crushed to death

'''Cybertronian:''' "We're losing a... ''staggering'' amount of troops. I believe it would be wise to withdraw the ''Twilight'' to a safe position and —" 
'''Jhiaxus:''' "Is the ''second'' legion ready? 
'''Cybertronian:''' "Y-Yes, but —" 
'''Jhiaxus:''' "''Send them in!''"

"No! — no! — no! — no! — NO! Jhiaxus, ''why?'' What possible ''good'' can this do? I beg you, break off your attack! ''Talk to me!'' Oh, Primus, how ''many'' lives? ...'''how many have I killed?'''"
:—'''Optimus Prime,''' witnessing the obliteration of San Francisco.

"What's ''happening'' to me, Prime? ''Help me! I don't '''want''' to be good!''"
:—'''Starscream,''' also whiny.

==Notes==
*Optimus Prime refers back to the Matrix's previous corruption in [[Matrix Quest]]. He does not, however, make the obvious comparison between this situation and Starscream's use of the [[Underbase]] (possibly because Megatron wasn't around during the [[Underbase Saga]]).
*Rook has known Jhiaxus since before their faction left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] behind and remembers his early years of butchery BUT in [[War Without End!|issue #1]], he did not understand the distinction between "Autobot" and "Decepticon" giving the distinct impression he was created long after they left.
*After Rook calls the Liege Maximo, he apparently leaves Earth for the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]], as that's where we see him next issue.
*Very few of the supporting cast appear in either story within this issue. Prime, Megatron, Jhiaxus, and Starscream dominate the issue.
*Grimlock has gained a bandanna from somewhere, and a "BIG GRIM" [[Tampograph|tattoo]] on his shoulder.
*Here's hoping [[Cliff Dietz|Clifford Dietz]] was out of town at the time. We shouldn't want him suffering his [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|friend]]'s fate.

===Errors===
*"Liege Maximo" is misspelled "Leige Maximo".
*In the bit of dialogue quoted above, Prime accuses Megatron of thinking in terms of "possession" and "control". This is a gross mis-characterization of what Megatron said, which was actually a quite reasonable request to try ''diplomacy.''

===Advertisements===
*None yet identified.

===Reprints===
*[[2003]] — ''[[Transformers: Rage in Heaven]]''

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:Marvel Generation 2 issues]]

User:Spenny

2013-07-29T01:06:21Z

Spenny:

Welcome to my page, it's rather clean and tidy. Clean and Tidy mean the same things don't they...?

While I haven't edited any large portions yet, my greatest editing achievements on this site so far was fixing a misspelled Megatron's name in one of the marvel comic pages, and correcting a misnaming of Kick-Off as Jackpot. That's about all.

I live in Mississauga Ontario nearby Tfcon so if you ever go there, you could probably expect to find me in the form of a small bony young'un with hair that's way to long.

You can find me on
TFW2005 as the user Coffee: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/coffee-104670.html

and Fanfiction.net as SpenName: http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1905041/SpenName

Oh, and I am way too into the band Coheed and Cambria...

User:Spenny

2013-07-29T01:06:07Z

Spenny: Created page with "Welcome to my page, it's rather clean and tidy. Clean and Tidy mean the same things don't they...? While I haven't edited any large portions yet, my greatest editing achievement…"

Talk:Transformers: Prime (cartoon)

2013-07-29T00:50:26Z

Spenny: /* Reception Section */ new section

== Disambig ==

Should this page be disambiguated from the [[Transformers 2010 (franchise)]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:28, 9 December 2009 (EST)
: I think so, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 10 December 2009 (EST)

== Character list ==
Unicron was voiced by John Noble per the character listing on 1 Shall Rise, pt 1.

Forgive me for being overly cautious, but since it's been stated that Michael Bell has auditioned for the roles of Ratchet and Fowler, can we begin a preliminary character list? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:38, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:I'm okay with that as long as we are foolishly optimistic enough to leave Optimus Prime and Megatron OFF the character list until confirmed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::HAHAHAHAHA!!!!--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:52, 14 December 2009 (EST)

:::EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IT WILL BE FOR NAUGHT, THE VERY CONCEPT FILLS MY HEART WITH GLADNESS. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:03, 14 December 2009 (EST)

::::Maybe, for the same reason, the character list should just be "characters" and not presume to put them in "Autobots", "Decepticons", and "Humans". Who knows? There could be Maximals! - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:10, 14 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Or Unicron's Heralds, for that matter! --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:46, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Malignus, Mutants, Throttlebots, Spacebots, Spacecons... -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:26, 14 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Unicron, would I love a set of stories focussing mainly on the Chaos Bringer's faction. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:49, 14 December 2009 (EST)
I'm tempted to say that we shouldn't include Bumblebee on the list just yet because we don't know 100% that the yellow robot on the Hub logo is Bumblebee, but I seriously doubt that anybody would toy around (no pun intended) with the general looks of a popular Transformers character (though that would be an awesome twist). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:29, 31 March 2010 (EDT)

==Titling==
Shouldn't it be "Prime (cartoon)", considering our stupid rule of removing "Transformers" from article titles? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:01, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Nope]]!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:04, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::I thought the reason we went with "Transformers Animated" is because there was no colon, and therefore "Animated" wasn't a subtitle? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::I honestly don't recall there being a colon in just about any TF title. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

::::We make exceptions for phrases. This isn't one. I mean, we even had a big ado over moving the ROTF article to be without the "Transformers". [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:13, 6 February 2010 (EST)

:::::"Transformers Animated" is much a exception, so it go with the full name. If the title is "Transformers: Prime" when it start airing, I will vote for the "Prime (cartoon)". --''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]''04:09, 6 February 2010 (EST)

== Hub picture ==

Now that we got the logo for 'Transformers: Prime', should we get rid of the Hub logo? I say we do, but I wouldn't object to holding on to it until we get an image solely of Bumblebee. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:53, 3 May 2010 (EDT)
:There's room, so we might as well keep it for now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 08:00, 3 May 2010 (EDT)

== Can we get this article locked if it hasn't been already? ==

I expect a number of (mostly anonymous) editors may attempt to follow a relatively new TFW2005.com staffer's lead and paste in an unverified, uncited cast list from Wikipedia into this article. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:12, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:I personally disagree with locking this article. The show should be debuting within the next six months or so, therefore I imagine Hasbro will give us some tidbits of information (not to mention actors' websites, like [[Jeffrey Combs]]). However, if this article does get locked until a later date, I won't make a big deal out of it. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 23:36, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
::It's only blocked against editing by unregistered users. If an unregistered user has a legit piece of info to be added, they can always use the talk page to bring it up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:45, 7 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Or register and then add it directly. (They should still provide citations/links for proof if need be, of course.)--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 05:12, 8 May 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity ==

Might just be me, but shouldn't we place this under "War For Cybertron" continuity or something? Apparantly, it follows the game (or at least the prequel comic, according to the page itself.

-ThiAthEhn
:I'm still not clear on where [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] got that from, since it's uncited. We really need to wait and see before we make a decision. Plus if WFC and Prime are in the same continuity, an argument could be made to place WFC in the Prime continuity rather than the other way around.--[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:14, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
::Ask Walky. [[Talk:Dion#Dion is Jazz?|He assured me that the link between WfC and ''Prime'' has been confirmed]], but just didn't mention where or when. That's why I added the {{tl|fact}} tag, so that he or someone else could cite it. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 05:45, 12 May 2010 (EDT)
:::Aha! I see! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:19, 12 May 2010 (EDT)

So isn't the "link" with WfC just speculation from someone working at TFWiki? There's no citation, and should not be under "CONFIRMED news." --[[Special:Contributions/75.28.55.135|75.28.55.135]] 21:37, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

:I believe Walky said it came directly from the Hasbro reps at toy fair. If so that's confirmed enough for me. And if it turns out to be wrong... eh, we'll know for sure in two weeks at Botcon anyway. That's soon enough to just wait and deal with it then. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 22:31, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

== Chartacter list ==

If It's not Bumblebee, who '''''CAN''''' it be?[[User:TOM|TOM]] 11:08, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
:Yellow Cliffjumper, Bumper, Hot Shot, Armada Sparkplug... it's ''likely'' that it's Bumblebee, but there are other people that look like him. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:21, 16 May 2010 (EDT)
::Or a brand new character. I'm very certain that it is Bumblebee, but the producers may blow our minds and say, "Hey, you know your buddy, Bumblebee? Well, he's actually (place bad guy name here) in disguise. Remember Longarm Prime in ''Transformers Animated''? Btw, TOM, to add a comment to a topic, just hit the edit button on top of the page and place your comment below the last comment. You can use colons in front of your statement to space it from the margin. You're learning the ropes and I'm glad you're making an honest effort to benefit this wiki, so don't give up. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:28, 16 May 2010 (EDT)

==New continuity family!==
Hey, remember when I said WFC/Prime is probably Primax? Well, I lied! After BotCon's flurry of information I think it's going to have to be its own thing. Not only because, well, it deserves to be, but because it will make our lives a lot easier and our pages a lot clearer. Back when the movie came out, we also considered making THAT G1, but declined when we realized the sheer amount of material and focus would make it impractical. The same here. Also, comments from Aaron Archer put the new continuity in perspective.

He ALSO doesn't like calling it "Prime," since that's not what he wants to call it, but it's all we got at the moment. He doesn't have a name for this new continuity (family), but is trying to think of one eventually. So, uh, in the meantime, I think we're stuck with calling it "Prime." Dem's the breaks until we get a time machine and can ask 2012 Aaron Archer or whatever. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, EVERYTHING was already pointing in the way of a new continuity family, so I'm glad the wiki now has the green light to separate this stuff. Not that that will spare me from redoing certain location articles, but it's at least a lot easier. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:58, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:P.S., do Demolishor (WFC) and Slipstream (WFC) have to be moved now? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:59, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Optimus Prime (Prime)? Reminds me of [[Cyclonus (Armada)]]. Anyway, looks like we're going to have to fix a lot of links and move a fair bit of information related to the War for Cybertron pages. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 12:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I concur completely. This seems very much like a new continuity, albeit with very strong G1 and Movie influences, though the Unicron Trilogy and Animated get some characters and ideas dropped in as well.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::As I said on [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] ":I'm beginning to wonder if the "G1 continuity family" is heading towards collapse under its own weight. I'm not sure there will ever be another franchise that isn't "terribly G1y" in the future. The discussion a few years back about whether Movie and Animated belonged in their own continuity families, the synthetic nature of the Hall of Fame bios, the integration of Mini-Cons into G1 universes, all point towards a blending effect in TF universes." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:42, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

While Archer may not like calling it "Prime," that ''would'' seem to be the parenthetical if we follow the same protocol we did for the Unicron Trilogy. Franchise of origin and all. Alternately, we could tag all of them (WFC) if they first appeared in that game, but that doesn't seem quite right.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Then we'd wind up with another Shattered Glass/Timelines situation where it really made no sense why some were tagged one way and some another (at least not to the more casual fan). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:50, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Exodus had the same street-date as WFC, didn't it? I know we're having this discussion simultaneously on Allspark, which... probably isn't a good idea.... but I suggested "EWP" as a suffix until something better comes along. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:02, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I would suggest using either "Prime", "WFC" or "Exodus" (only one of them though!) until something clearer comes along. "EWP" just seems needlessly confusing. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::I tend to think (Prime) is the best suffix we'll get, since we normally use franchise and Prime seems like the most likely candidate to be the franchise name. Exodus and WFC are definitely not franchises, but Prime might be. Of course, one wonders what will happen if Hasbro decides to completely move away from the concept of franchises... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::According to the TFormers.com BotCon report, Aaron Archer said Hasbro wasn't planning on doing TF:Prime toys. And, for that matter, we know there ''are'' WFC toys, so at the moment WFC actually looks more franchisey. But that having been said, I still vote for "(Prime)" across the board because that's almost guaranteed to be the most prominent, central, and dominant element of this continuity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:43, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::Aaron Archer said he "wasn't there to talk about toys," but the fiction/show/cartoon. I think this statement was being misconstrued. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Ah, thanks for clarifying. That did seem like an odd decision on Hasbro's part. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:48, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::Aaron's wording was poorly-chosen. He really did say something like "right now there isn't a toyline," and of course he could only have meant it as a figure of speech to cover what he was willing to talk about during that 20 minutes and not that there actually isn't a toyline. It's impossible that there wouldn't be a toyline. You don't make a CGI toy commercial without them. --Thy, not logged in.
:::::::::Or it could have meant that the details weren't ready for a public reveal or that the figures would simply be released as part of the unsubtitled "Transformers" line. Lots of ambiguity. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the toys just ended up in the general ''Transformers'' line, which would make TF:Prime about exactly as franchisey as WFC. Still, like I said above, even if there WEREN'T any toys I would still lean towards "(Prime)" for its likely real-world dominance. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 14:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::"Prime" will be good. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 13:54, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

::Has anybody tried to mock up a Prime (franchise) page that could explain how the Prime TV show, WFC videogame and Exodus novel are related and give a comparison/contrast to other franchises? I think I've got an idea what's going on, but I'd like to see a coherent write up from someone who has seen the actual materials. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:01, 11 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I don't know if the "Prime (franchise)" page would be the best place for that. That would be for the cartoon stuff and related toyline. But we need a continuity page, like [[Movie continuity]]. Based on the [[Hasbro Q&A/September 2010|September Q&A]] we could call it the "modern continuity". That's what Hasbro called it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:19, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::Because it's "modern" as in HAPPENING NOW, not as if it was a proper noun! Calling it "Modern" would be astoundingly dumb. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:21, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::Are you calling Hasbro dumb? That's what they called it. For better or worse "modern" is sometimes used like that. "Modern architecture" doesn't mean the style of architecture right now. I have a "modern continuity" page ready. I almost pressed "save page" but I checked the recent changes and found this. We need a continuity page anyway. I think I will hit save before I go to bed. It can be moved. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Do you understand the difference between lower and upper case letters? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::Tell you what, we'll resume this conversation when you learn what "context" means. And your "Modern (franchise)" page will be deleted. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:56, 1 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Not "modern (franchise)". "Modern continuity", as in [[:Category:Continuities]]. I din't think it was a proper noun anymore than [[movie continuity]] is. You can delete it, I suppose. Or, if it is a good page, you could rename it whatever you want. Like "War for Cybertron/Exodus/Prime continuity". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:07, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I thought it was a good page. Probably did need to be moved to a better name. But then it was deleted. Um, oh well? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:58, 2 November 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I saved it as a text file. I could reload it under a different name if anyone wants. Just let me know what name. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:14, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

==Timeline==
Transformers.com timeline: [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=841a4def-19b9-f369-104f-c8d8dec0c2ce]
It's basically the story from ''Exodus'' with Sentinel Prime exchanged for Zeta Prime, with screenshots from the game. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:10, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

== Sue Blu gone? ==

I saw news notes from Comicon saying something about Susan Blu no longer working on the show. Does anyone know if she's gone completely or just stopped working one one part of the show. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 07:31, 24 July 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah I updated that awhile ago, forgot to mention it here. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:35, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

A [http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117944113/ review by Variety] (worry not; no spoilers) gives quite a few bits of information on credits, and it mentions Sue Blu as the voice director. So, what? Did the reviewer make a mistake or did she come back? I'd say we should just wait until the show airs, but I thought I might as well bring it up. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:33, 24 November 2010 (EST)

She's credited as voice director for the first two episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)

She's infact credited for the first five episodes. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 02:37, 1 January 2011 (EST)

== David Hartman as both the supervising director and art director ==

taken from his DAblog: http://sideshowmonkey.deviantart.com/journal/33585161 not sure if it's "news," but it is more confirmed staff. - {{unsigned|128.208.61.72}} 01:56, 2 August 2010

== Move? ==

The Hub's press release render the title without a colon [http://hubworld.com/press-100806-talent.htm][http://hubworld.com/shows-detail.htm#panel-8], should we move all Prime-related articles or are we happy just writing it our way? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 13:01, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

== Air date ==
Isn't a bit premature to announce that it'll air on this year's Black Friday? I mean, true, the TV listing there says so, but they are subject to change. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:35, 22 October 2010 (EDT)
:Not to fear. I changed it from "will air" to "is scheduled to air". - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:53, 22 October 2010 (EDT)

== Wrong! ==

This page has incorrect information!! This takes place in the movie universe for 1. 2, It only has five episodes for the whole series as it is a MINI series. It has nothing even close to related to the War for Cybertron game. Sadly, I can't fix this because the page is LOCKED. :( [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 05:16, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:No, ''you're'' the one who is incorrect. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 05:17, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::Jman, atleast wait until you see the show first before making these presumptions. While you wait, read the 'Exodus' book. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:55, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: You are exactly the reason this page is locked. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:51, 13 November 2010 (EST)
: Don't believe, go to this link ---> [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/videos/sneak-peek] --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 14:44, 13 November 2010 (EST)
:: Yeah, we've been. Try again. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:05, 13 November 2010 (EST)
::: Okay, I just read the Exodus book, sorry for causing trouble. Now I know that WFC and PRIME are linked. --[[User:Jman98|Jman98]] 12:09, 14 November 2010 (EST)

== Protecting ==

Since Seibertron has posted details of the first two episodes, should we protect this page against anon editing to minimise spoilers? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:59, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:It appears to already be protected. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 21:12, 22 November 2010 (EST)
::A quick spate of protecting individual character articles will also not go amiss. I could really go for not having this blown for me before Friday. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:19, 22 November 2010 (EST)
:::I've protected the episode titles as well, because creating a new page means the text shows up in Recent Changes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:31, 22 November 2010 (EST)

==Episode 1 Credits==
Have fun.

[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds01.jpg 01] [http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds02.jpg 02]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds03.jpg 03]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds04.jpg 04]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds05.jpg 05]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds06.jpg 06]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds07.jpg 07]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds08.jpg 08]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds09.jpg 09]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds10.jpg 10]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds11.jpg 11]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds12.jpg 12]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds13.jpg 13]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds14.jpg 14]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds15.jpg 15]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds16.jpg 16]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds17.jpg 17]
[http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/monzo/PrimeCreds18.jpg 18]

And, yes, these were obtained on the up-and-up. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 18:35, 25 November 2010 (EST)
:Do you have the writer/director credit for the episode (would presumably have been displayed at the start) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:59, 25 November 2010 (EST)

==Promo Vehicle images==

Can these be dropped from articles and replaced with screenshots? [[User:Eire]] 2 Dec 12.35 (GMT)

== Help! Paradox! ==

Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe. I have a whole list of paradoxs:

*Megatron:In WFC, he was a tank, while in Prime, he was a jet. In WFC, Megatron new how to control dark energon, and used it often, but in Prime, he did not fuse it with his spark until he arrived on Earth.
*Starscream: First, his color scheme is different, in WFC, he is G1 like, but in Prime, he is movie like. Also, in The Darkness Rising Part 2, Starscream acted as if he hadn't came in contact with Dark Energon, but heard about it. However, the WFC Starscream knew exactly what Dark Energon does, and wants to learn how to weild it.
*Soundwave: Soundwave in WFC is like G1, with Laserbeak, Rumble, Frenzy, however in Prime, he is quiet, doesn' talk much,
(and even then, he just repeats recordings of what others have said) and only has 1 drone (Ratbat, i beleive his name is now.
*Ratchet:Rachet in WFC new what Drak Energon was, for it was alover Cybertron and Optimus pointed it out. In Prime, though, he says Dark Energon is so rare, its existence is doughted.
*Bumblebee:In WFC, he can talk and has a mouth, but in prime, he cannot talk. (Similar to his movie version.)
*Cliffjumper: In WFC, heis basicallya retool of Bumblebee, but in Prime, he is his own mold.
*Arcee: In WFC, she is like er G1 counterpart (and is a pink car), but the prime version is more like the movie version, and somewhat of a ninja. (And is a blue motercycle.)
*Dark Energon: In WFC, it was said it corrupts and destroys. But in Prime, it has the power to revive the dead. It is all over cybertron in WFC, and heck, even the Core of Cybertron is corrupted with it. But in Prime, it is apperently "so rare", how was it found on cybertron? Better yet in WFC, why was it being manufactured? (WARNING!!! SPOLIER ALERT!!! SPOLIERS UP AHEAD!!! STOP READING IF YOU DON'T LIKE SPOILERS!!!! WARNING!!!) and Prime, why is Megaton trying to ressurct ever dead cybertronian on Cybertron? Couldn't he have just done that in WFC?

Some clarification would be great. Also, I know the whole "Scanning alt mode" thing could change the way they look, but in the Prime comic,they still look the same in Cybertrnian form. Please help clarify some things.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 10:02, 3 December 2010 (EST)

:''Could someone please explain to me how War For Cybertron fits in the Prime Universe.'' It doesn't. They're part of the same continuity family, but not one singular continuous universe. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 10:39, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::I want someone to please explain to me how someone being a different altmode in the past is a paradox. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 3 December 2010 (EST)
:::No need to get rude ItsWalky. I was just saying, what reason did he have for changing his form. You don't have to be rude about it. As for you KilMichaelMcC, thank you, I must have confused the two. Sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 16:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)
::::We don't need a reason. Characters changing their altmode is not some strange new thing that's unique to Megatron (Prime). G1 Megs went from gun to cannon to nothing to tank, back to gun, sometimes a car... UT Megs went from tank to spaceship to dragster/jet triple changer to... dinosaur. And Movie Megs has been both a tank and a jet. And all this is beside the point that we have been handed down an official reason in WFC Megatron's tech spec bio. Read the notes at the bottom of Megatron (Prime)'s article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:50, 4 December 2010 (EST)
:::::You forget that all those times he had a reason. G1 Megatron was changed due to Cobra Commander. UT Megatron changed because he was brought back to life a few time and movie Megs was ressurected using parts of other decepticons. And there is always the to sell toys reason. But I don't know If you read my comment but I tried to end this whole paradox conversation. Ok, I confused something big whoop. You don't have to act like a jerk saying "I want someone to tell me how having a different alt mode in the past is a paradox." Why don't you just ban me from this sight because I said that he had an new alt mode in the past. I was asking a question and you came in with your little ego trying to show off that you need to know that little statement. My god, I thought this site would be full of TF fans, not people trying to piss off other by deleting info they type because of one mistake instead of correcting it themselves, and other people like you trying to prove other users wrong. And why the heck can't we have pictures without a serious caption, we are preatty much the only wiki that does that so why do we? Because we rather get a laugh then information? By the pit.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:57, 6 December 2010 (EST)
::::::As an impartial observer Walky didn't say anything rude at all, he mearly pointed out a flaw in your premise in fairly neutral language. You seem to be flipping out over nothing here. If you don't like it here(or are bothered exessively by the humorous captions that are here to stay) you don't need to stay. But stay or go, acting like a child over literally nothing isn't a great way to make friends.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:15, 6 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::I am not trying to make friends here. I tried, but apparently I am someone who can't sign posts, tried to correct a statement about daleks and failed, and someone who steals information from sets and wikipedia. It is not the site I have problems with, it is the people.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:29, 7 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::As a person here who has been nice to you in the past, I think you are being overly sensitive here. You were given a reminder to sign posts, the Dalek thing was explained to you as being beyond the scope of this wiki and the "news" you posted from sets and wikipedia were removed because they were unconfirmed (thus against policy). Read the various help pages and follow the rules and you will be as welcome here as anyone. Continue your persecution complex, and people WILL get upset with you. And, again, Walky was simply pointing out your mistaken use of paradox. No conversation can occur if people aren't clear on terms. Your examples are not paradoxes, merely contradictions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:10, 7 December 2010 (EST)
:::::::::Hate to be rude here, but a paradox does not just have to do with time. It can mean contradictions.[[Special:Contributions/166.109.0.45|166.109.0.45]] 11:28, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::Only if those contradictions are in the same thing at the same time. Two separate things contradicting each other is not a paradox. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:44, 8 December 2010 (EST)
::::::::::You know what, you are right. I did over react, and I assumed Walky was trying to be rude here. Me apologies. I am sorry.[[User:LordDalek|LordDalek]] 11:30, 8 December 2010 (EST)

==Animation studio question==
So... It's [[wikipedia:Polygon Pictures|Polygon Pictures]] that's animating, not Digitalscape? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 04:44, 24 February 2011 (EST)
:There's probably more than one animation team. Anyone want to check the credits for each episode? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 15:02, 24 February 2011 (EST)

::It's Polygon Pictures. Digitalscape is just a recruiting agent doing recruiting on behalf of Polygon. {{unsigned|219.109.211.26}}
:::Thanks for the tip. I've rewatched "Darkness Rising" and noticed it is Polygon. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 10:04, 7 March 2011 (EST)

== Refer to the Main Autobot Cast as Team Prime? ==

The main Autbot Cast has been refered to as Team Prime a few times in the series.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 01:45, 27 February 2011 (EST)

== Edit war brewing ==

Once again about a caption, this time regarding the cast promo image. So to [[User:Detour|Detour]] and [[User:TOM|TOM]], the caption will be dated in October, so I propose leaving it until then, perhaps to a new caption about how odd it was there appeared to be ''six'' main Autobots... [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:24, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
:There's a link to the toyline at the top of the page. I don't think the caption needs another one to explain it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:50, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Removing a note ==

Because this statement by Hasbro "Continuity. Present day, after "movie" type events. Autobots on earth,hiding." does not mean the same thing as this note by us "*Though part of the [[aligned continuity family]] with the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' fiction, the show's immediate Earth-set backstory is meant to be "[[live-action film series|post-movie]]". Hasbro is saying that the backstory is movie-ish, not that it is the movie. Which is what our note said. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:22, 24 March 2011 (EDT)

== Divide & Conquer ==

The episode 13 listing, "Divide & Conquer", is actually a episode of G1 airing on the Sunday after the "Predatory" episode airs. It also hasn't been given a description, even though the "Sick Mind" episode has. It's clearly the G1 episode, and not one of TFP's episodes. {{unsigned|72.23.116.251}}
:Have you got a source for that? I've been keeping my eyes on the show listings, because I've suspected that what you'd said is the case, but I haven't found a listings source which goes up to Sunday the 17th. If you can point to some listings showing the G1 Divide and Conquer on that day, I'd be grateful! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:55, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::Not sure if it'll be proof enough, but MSN's listings are generally reliable (http://tv.msn.com/tv/series-episodes/transformers-prime/?sb=0&si=1&ipp=25). Divide and Conquer airing the day after Predatory first airs is a dead giveaway. It's still odd that it's part of the TFP episode guide, but it just wouldn't make sense to release two new episodes so close to each other like that.

Oddly enough, the Hub isn't playing the G1 episode that day either. I wonder where MSN got that listing from. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:34, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
: "Divide and Conquer" showed up recorded on my Tivo under the "Transformers Prime" directory. It was the G1 episode. As if we needed further proof. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:36, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

== Universal Cluster ==

I've been trying to think of a name for the [[Universal stream|universe cluster]] for this and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]]. So far I've come up with Alignus, but that sounds retarded. Anyone have any ideas? [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:32, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]
:This is not the place for fan fiction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:37, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
:Nevermind. Just forgot. [[[[User:Paddles|Paddles]] 13:39, 28 May 2011 (EDT)]]

== Dreadwing ==

OK- we know that Tony Todd is voicing Dreadwing. Do we know for sure whether or not Dreadwing is a Decepticon? I mean, I know it's likely, but should we assign him a faction before we know for sure? [[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 10:21, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

Hey can we assign Dreadwing to the main Decepticon cast now that he's... apart of the main Decepticon cast? Or are we going to continue to treat him like Wheeljack and keep him offsides until he cameo's in at least 65% of future episode runtime? [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 8:44, 27 March 2012 (EDT)
:Hey thanks for moving WheelJack and Dreadwing to the main cast! [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 6:07, 30 March 2012 (EDT)

== Prowl and barricade and a unknown char? ==

so many people are talking today about prowl and barricade are coming into Transformers Prime.
Picture's are released on this Website: http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-prime-discussion/412158-weve-wanted-new-tfp-bots-cons.html (TFW2005) is this true or not? and who whould be the unknown character? whould like to know more :D {{unsigned|Angelkiss112}}
:Go to a forum if you want to talk about this. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:10, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
==Laserbeak==
Laserbeak should be added to every episode with Sundwave in it, 'cuz he's Soundwave's chest.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:42, 11 June 2011 (EDT)
:I think he should only be listed if he detaches from Soundwave - it's how we treat the Breastforce animals in Victory and they have basically the same deal. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:13, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

==Season 2 Info==
[http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/118/1183380p1.html Comic Con] has revealed some new information about season 2 of the show and beyond with the possibility of Dinobots as well as Combiners making their way onto the show. There is also a teaser showcasing a new villain with it being said that ''"He is ocming..."'' and it seems to be part o a prophecy as Prime is quoting the [[Covenant of Primus]]! [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 07:04, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:It would be so disappointing if he was just talking about Megatron. He IS prophesied in the Covenant, after all. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:11, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::Since this is the Aligned continuity, a reference to Megatron could equally be [[The Fallen]], couldnt it? [[User:Straxus|Straxus]] 10:48, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
:::May I remind you this page is for discussing improvements to the article, not a general forum for chitchat. I can't access IGN articles due to a server 500 error, could someone else implement it? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:18, 22 July 2011 (EDT)
::::I got a screenshot of the spooky dude in question http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v168/Semysane/TFPrimePreviewAwakened.jpg He looks kinda like... Alpha Trion, actually.
:::::Alpha Trion does not have horns (they're not in the screenshot, but were seen a few nanokliks earlier). I'm thinking Unicron, as the TFPrime crew has said Unicron could appear. Either way, I think it's best to just let it be for now, until the episode airs. - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 19:50, 23 July 2011 (EDT)

== Episode 21 ==

I found this on IMDb.
Season 1, Episode 21: One Bots, Two Bots, Red Bots, Blue Bots
Original Air Date—30 July 2011
Sierra sneaked inside Bulkhead and found Jack in Autobot Headquarters.
Should it be added? {{unsigned|68.200.62.165|19:53, 30 July 2011 (EDT)}}
: Not until it's confirmed somewhere other than IMDB, which is not really known for its accuracy on upcoming stuff. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:57, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:There wasn't a new episode on the 30th. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:22, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Additionally, given that this bit has shown up on multiple sites, all with the same spelling error and the odd past-tense synopsis, it can mostly be assumed it's fan-generated. --[[Special:Contributions/70.243.110.53|70.243.110.53]] 01:00, 6 August 2011 (EDT)

== "Unlike most Transformers shows, episodes do not have an episode title card. Episode titles are from The Hub website." ==

Don't forget on the info for [[wikipedia:DirecTV|DirecTV's]] schedulale! (sic?) --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.162.10|66.82.162.10]] 16:12, 31 July 2011 (EDT)
:They can be found in a lot of places. I don't think we need to list them all. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:45, 31 July 2011 (EDT)

== New Prime ep on Teletoon. ==

Not a clue what its name is, but Teletoon's airing a never-before-seen episode. They'll be re-airing it at 4:30AM. If you know any Canuckians who can record and encode... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:17, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:Detour, did you just issue a call for TFWiki users to engage in piracy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:44, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
::Sorry, bad choice of words. Canuckians who can record (because it's on late) and watch later to fill out the article. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:21, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:::I expected that was the case, after all DVR's ''do'' encode while they record. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:46, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
:According to tvguide.ca, Teletoon is playing a new episode next week too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:42, 7 August 2011 (EDT)

== Pictures Pictures and Pictures. ==
I noticed that a lot of the character profiles seem to have stopped showing screen caps around after the last 4 episodes. You guys want me to get screen caps of all the characters? or just leave it?

== Something of Note ==

Something I've noticed in the series is something fairly unusual: all of the Transformers with flight-capable alt. mode have, thus far, been shown to be incapable of flight in robot mode. Megatron and Starscream have both been shown to have to Transform ''before'' they become capable of flight, while Soundwave has yet to transform himself. This is fairly unusual in the Transformers franchise, is it not?--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:06, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: Soundwave has transformed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:14, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Alright, my mistake. But in the mean-time, have any flight-capable alt. mode Transformers shown flight capabilities in their robot mode? Because if not I'm certain that's a first for the Transformers franchise.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:30, 14 October 2011 (EDT)
: I think the movie already tackled that, for the most part. Blackout and Megatron never flew in robot modes, and Starscream has those jet boosters on his back that enabled him to stay aloft for a few seconds between jet transformations in the first movie. To my best recollection. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:42, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

Megatron flew in ROTF. Blackout was just plain destroyed.--[[Special:Contributions/184.100.200.98|184.100.200.98]] 15:48, 14 October 2011 (EDT)

== Least Transformation ==

So there's a note at the bottom of this page which says that this show features the least amout of transformation of any show. This seems to me to be an opinion and not the type of thing we should note on this Wiki and I'm not even sure it's accuarate. What do you guys think.
[[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 10:44, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:: How is it an opinion? We've had several episodes where nobody transforms. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:54, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's fact that can be verified by counting the number of transformations in the various series. However, unless we have those numbers, the note should be removed. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:59, 21 November 2011 (EST)
: Well, if I remember correctly, ''Sick Mind'', ''Shadowzone'', ''Scrapheap'', ''One Shall Rise 3'', and ''Con Job'' don't have anyone transforming. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:05, 21 November 2011 (EST)
Actually that's the problem most of those are actually wrong while Sick Mind doesn't feature any transformations and i havent seen One Shall Rise part 3 yet but i can definatley discern from memory that all the others on that list featured at least one transformation. Furthermore it seems like an assumtion someone made after having watched a couple of episodes and we shouldn't have assumptions on this wiki. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 12:05, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:Optimus, Bulkhead, Ratchet, Bumblebee, and Starscream all transform at least once in Shadowzone. Bumblebee and Bulkhead transform from vehicle to robot in Scrapheap. Starscream and Soundwave transform into jets to fly away from the exploding Makeshift/Wheeljack in Con Job. And While not really a transformation but Lazer beak transforms from chest piece to Bird mode and Airachnid goes in to spider mode in One Shall Rise Part 3.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.174.119|71.255.174.119]] 13:05, 30 June 2012 (EDT)

== Nathan Fillion ==

Do we have a source on his involvement or the other two for that matter. [[User:Flydie|Flydie]] 16:11, 17 December 2011 (EST)
:Yes. Yes, we do! Though it would been nice if TFW2005 had said in their article who at Auto Assembly revealed the news (Kaye's confirmed it over Twitter, so we know it's true anyways, but I wanted to link to the original news), and none of the sources I found for the NYCC announcement of Fillion seemed like his casting was firm. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:59, 17 December 2011 (EST)
::http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=16642 I am putting this here for something to point to if this comes up again. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 20:43, 9 February 2012 (EST)

== HUB- Season 2 ==
The HUB website says the second series will premere on Febuary 18th @ 8:30 p.m. Probably shouldn't post this as I can`t figure out if it's true or not. [[Special:Contributions/208.111.201.121|208.111.201.121]] 21:26, 5 January 2012 (EST)
:It's on the Hub's site, so unless someone's made a mistake, we should go with it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:04, 5 January 2012 (EST)

== Voice of Bumblebee ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah_Wood#Television

It says here that Elijah Wood will be voicing Bumblebee. {{unsigned|69.19.14.39|20:19, 7 January 2012 (EST)}}
:Whoever added the information to Wikipedia did not even cite a source. It is very probably false. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:27, 7 January 2012 (EST)

== Dead Character Column? ==

Hey guys, freak'n shot in the dark here, but can we make a 'Dead Character' tab in the cast columns? I'm only suggesting this because more characters seem to get obliterated off the main and supporting cast list every episode, lately. And if ''somehow'' said 'offed' character comes back to life, then we can add them back to the main list of 'living' characters.

Characters that got their bucket's kicked:

Cliffjumper, Makeshift, Tailgate, Skyquake, Seaspray, Breakdown ;(

Just something to consider. [[User:Arcee-Cola|Arcee-Cola]] 6:15, 30 March 2012 (EDT)
:No. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:41, 31 March 2012 (EDT)

== Rogue Decepticons ==
Should we put the rouge Decepticons (Airachnid and Starscream) in the "other" category? -- [[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 15:40, 1 April 2012 (EDT)
:I don't think it's necessary to move characters around on the cast list for the main cartoon page as their allegiances shift. Blackarachnia is in the Predacon column on the Beast Wars page, for instance. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:11, 1 April 2012 (EDT)

we could put them in the "other" space [[User:Jacktransformerdude|JackXD]] 23:16, 18 June 2012 (EDT)

== Nemesis Prime's Faction ==

Why Nemeis Prime's name is in Decepticons list? He is not related to Decepticons at all. Shouldn't he considered as 'Others'? -- [[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 05:48, 8 April 2012 (EDT)
:I've removed it, because he's not even a character. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 06:07, 8 April 2012 (EDT)

== character list needs editing again ==

the character list needs updating, in the 'other list': starscream clones, nemasis prime, starscream and ahracnid could stay in the decepticon section to make less hassle. thanks

:'''Ultra Magnus''' needs to be added to the character list.[[User:TwistersIndigo|Twister]] 19:18, 23 March 2013 (EDT)

::'''Predaking''' needs to be moved to his own section under "Predacons", instead of being listed as a Decepticon. And '''Shockwave''' may need to be moved to the Main Cast. [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 23 March
:::I dunno if I agree about Predaking. It's not like he's his own faction - he's under Decepticon command. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:04, 23 March 2013 (EDT)
::::He was recognized as a Predacon, though, so that should be listed as a subgroup probably.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:00, 23 March 2013 (EDT)
::::::The Predacons are being presented as a seperate faction in the toyline, which is the whole reason they have their own faction symbol. The Predacons may be aligned with the Decepticons, but they themselves are not Decepticons. [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 23 March.
::::::::::Apparently, a guy named Peter Mensah is voicing Predaking. [[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 29 March
:::::::I'm not sure why the toyline affects how we list him on the cartoon page? In terms of the cartoon, he's presented as part of the Decepticon faction, at least in all the episodes screened. We don't list Wreck-Gar separately on G1 pages, even though he's a Junkion. Basically I feel like how we have it listed now is misrepresenting the setup on the cartoon. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:07, 30 March 2013 (EDT)
::::::::Junkion was never presented as a faction though, this is. -[[User:Stardust262|Stardust262]] 30 March
:::::::::I would argue that Predacon is specifically being presented as a "species" of Transformer, rather than a faction. Predaking is not off on his own doing his own thing - he's following the orders of Megatron and Shockwave. He's clearly part of the Decepticon faction in the show. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:38, 30 March 2013 (EDT)
::::::::::Meh, I disagree with you. I'd consider him to be his own faction, aligning his with Megatron's. I'd give more weight to what the toy line says, in this case, than you do.
:::::::::::Yeah, see, this is the page for the cartoon, which is why I think we should be list Predaking in terms of how the cartoon is presenting him, rather than how the toyline is presenting him. For an existing example, Starscream is listed as an Autobot on the page for "[[Rescue]]" because at that point in the Armada cartoon he'd defected and was acting as an Autobot. He's still a Decepticon in the toyline, but his circumstances in the cartoon override that because it's a cartoon-related article. In Predaking's case, he may be a Predacon, but he's acting as part of the Decepticon faction. If Predaking splits off later, then I think certainly he can be listed separately on the main cartoon page, though he should still be listed as a Decepticon on the relevant episode pages.
:::::::::::Can we get some other opinions so we can form some kind of consensus? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:23, 31 March 2013 (EDT)
::::::::::::Personally, I'd advocate putting Predaking under Others for now. To try and construct an analagous example, if the Autobots trained a bunch of cats to work for them, we wouldn't list them as being a Cats faction, but equally we wouldn't list the cats as being Autobots. If Predaking is revealed as an actual intelligent person, and continues to work with the 'Cons, at that stage I'd be cool with him being listed as a Decepticon. I think it'd take Predaking actually going off on his own and actually leading some other Predacons on the show for us to have them as a separate faction on the character list. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 18:58, 31 March 2013 (EDT)
In the cartoon, as of now, he's a damn Decepticon. Stop this asinine hairsplitting. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:03, 31 March 2013 (EDT)

== Vehicons & Insecticons in the column ==

Just a thought, should the Vehicons and Insecticons (and probably the Terrorcons) have their own section in the Decepticon characters column, under something like sub-factions? The Vehicons aren't technically main characters. --[[User:Prime Temple]] 21 May 2012 (EDT)

== Season 2 resumption confirmed ==

[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/transformers-prime-returns-august-25th-on-the-hub-175577/ TFW2005] sources the Hub's website for the return of ''Prime'' season 2 on August 25. Should this be noted, or are we waiting for an episode title?

- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 2:59 AM, 26 July 2012 A.D.
== Season 3 Name==
it is been confirm by hasbro just this week that Season 3 will be Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters!
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/nycc12-transformers-prime-beast-hunters-176094/
Please Add Season 3 to it and Beast Hunters to it also!!!

== Production image ==

From the moment that image of seasons 1 and 2 was added to the production section I haven't been able to view it. I don't what's wrong? -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 07:57, 13 February 2013 (EST)

==Character list 2==
We should change the character lists so that the dead decepticons (Breakdown, Dreadwing) are no longer listed as the main cast since they aren't part of the main cast anymore. - [[User:Hhall3|Hhall3]] 17:38, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
:Why? If this was the G1 cartoon and we were on season 3, we wouldn't take Optimus Prime out of the main cast just because he'd died, because he was part of the main cast for two seasons. The cast list should not be a "this is the current state", it should consider the show overall. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:00, 18 May 2013 (EDT)
::Well then maybe we should at least put "deceased" or something next to the dead characters. --[[User:Hhall3|Hhall3]] 20:10, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
:::Is there a reason for a "deceased" list, other than certain characters not part as the main cast? --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 21:21, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
::::It's an overview of which characters are or were in the series. I don't think their status at the current point in the series is relevant. People can look at the character pages if they want to know why that character isn't in current episodes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:24, 23 May 2013 (EDT)
:::::Not to mention that people might well be looking at this page ahead of watching the series (I know that I certainly used the TFA cartoon article to check the episode order when I was first watching that series), so slapping a bunch of character death spoilers all over isn't exactly a considerate thing to do. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 03:07, 24 May 2013 (EDT)

== Reception Section ==

With Beastwars/Machines, The Unicron Trilogy, and Animated holding a Reception section of their pages, would now be the right time to make one for Prime as well now that the show is over? Perhaps a Praise/Criticism section could be made as well because God knows there's plenty of both to go around. If one were to be made, would now be the right time? Or should we wait for Predacon Rising to air beforehand, I'm not certain whether it would be best to group them together or not. Thoughts?

Destiny, Part One

2013-05-18T19:27:16Z

Spenny:

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'''As Cybertron and Nebulos pick up the pieces after Scorponok's tampering, Hot Rod finds that being called the leader doesn't mean the citizenry will obey, while Bludgeon, Galvatron and Jhiaxus plan.'''

==Synopsis==

Aboard the [[Warworld]], in orbit above the planet [[Cresta Superior]], [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] stages a demonstration of his new [[Blitz Engines]] for [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] by unleashing them on the unsuspecting world below. Brought to life by the power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] energy drained from the reconstructed remains of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], the self-regenerating death machines utterly obliterate Cresta Superior's [[The Utmost|dominant species]], impressing even the unreadable Soundwave. Preparations complete, the Warworld's engines fire, and its heads for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]...

On the [[Transformer]]s' homeworld, acting leader [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]] meets with his advisers to discuss the fallout of [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s plan to reprogram the populace. On the face of it, things are getting back to normal, but the Decepticon's scheme has left deep emotional scars in those affected by the [[Gene Key]], and tensions are running high throughout the city. These tensions are felt by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], who is busy elsewhere delivering a speech to his sorely-depleted [[Civil Defense Force]], though their response to his urging them to do their best to keep the peace is less than enthusiastic. Magnus wearily dismisses his troops, and is then informed by [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] of a communication from [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] on [[Earth]]. Magnus and Prime confer on current events, noting the dispatch of the [[Rescue Patrol (G1)|Rescue Patrol]] to [[Nebulos]] to help heal the damage Scorponok did there, and wondering if there is a joint way forward for the two worlds. Magnus voices his concern over Hot Rod's thus-far ineffective leadership and his absence during Scorponok's attack, but Prime claims his unpopular decisions only mean he is growing as a leader, and that the threat of [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] is of much greater concern, as he's convinced he is somehow a reborn [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]...

In the void of space, the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] soars for Cybertron, with Galvatron on the bridge, reflecting on his past. In his native timeline, he watched as [[Unicron]] devoured Cybertron despite his wishes, leaving him only Earth to rule. But in this time, Galvatron vows, Cybertron ''will'' be his...

On his way to [[Eugenesis Plaza]] to address the masses, Hot Rod tells [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] about the visions he has been seeing, which he now believes are not of Cybertron's past, but its future: the future that will come to pass if the Transformers do not reunify with the banished [[Demon]]s. He attempts to explain this sentiment in his subsequent speech to the assembled inhabitants of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], but the crowd is already angry and unreceptive. Given the atmosphere, after a few words are surreptitiously whispered in the right ears by [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] and [[Needlenose]] it's not long before a grenade is hurled at Hot Rod, and the whole plaza erupts in rioting and violence. Kup ushers Hot Rod to safety, but tells the youth that even he does not support his decision, and urges him to cede command to Ultra Magnus. His resolve badly shaken, Hot Rod calls up Trailbreaker and requests to speak to Magnus in order to carry out Kup's wishes, but just then, the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] enter. They have heard about Hot Rod's plan to venture back into the Demon-infested underground, and volunteer to go with him, as they believe that [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] is down there as well, following his fall into the [[Sonic Canyons]]. The group don't believe that he has perished; [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] explains that they would ''know'' if he was dead, and their "blind, intuitive faith" stirs Hot Rod to action. As Magnus comes onto the viewscreen, Hot Rod orders him to ensure Iacon is rebuilt and secure by the time he and the Dinobots return from their mission.

On the scorched remains of Cresta Superior, a [[Rook (G2)|sharp, silvery Transformer]] touches down, and reports to his commanding officer that there are no signs of life on the planet. Traces of Matrix life-energy make clear that Cybertronians were responsible, and the commander—[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], sitting on his throne at the heart of the perfect web of planets that is the [[Hub (G2)|Hub]]—realizes that this collision between the old and the new was destiny.

And in the realm of the [[Zero Space]], the absolute nothingness at the end of all time... the crack widens...

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*[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (20)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (21)
*Seven [[Civil Defense Force]] members (22)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (23)
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (24)
*[[Red Hot]] (25)
*[[Seawatch]] (26)
*[[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]] (27)
*[[Stakeout (G1)|Stakeout]] (28)
*[[Blades (G1)|Blades]] (32)
*[[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] (33)
*[[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] (34)
{{!}}style="background:transparent; border-right: 0px" valign="top"{{!}}
*Another little dude (35)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (36)
*More generic civilians (37)
*[[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]] (38)
*[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (39)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin]] (42)
*[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (43)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (44)
*[[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (45)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (46)
*''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'' (47)
{{!}}}
|c2=
*[[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] (1)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (2)
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] (3)
*''[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'' (17)
*[[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] (27)
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] (37)
*[[Needlenose]] (38)
|c3=
|h4=Others|c4=
*[[Maccadam's bartenders|Maccadam's bartender]] (4)
*''[[Unicron]]'' (28)
*''[[Demon]]s'' (29)
*[[Rook (G2)|Rook]] (45)
*[[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] (46)
}}

==Quotes==
"'''Citizens of Cybertron'''... when Optimus Prime asked me to step up and steer the ship in his absence I thought he must be delusional--" 
"SO DID WE!"
:--'''Hot Rod''' gets a warm reception to his speech from hecklers.

==Notes==
*The issue was initially released digitally on 8 May 2013, a week before print. As IDW had [http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-regeneration-one-91-preview/27228/ released full previews] the week before, it appears the release before the printed version was due to a delay in the latter rather than, as has happened multiple times, the digital version being accidentally advanced.

===Continuity notes===
*Thunderwing's remains appear to have been fully reconstructed - even parts which were missing in the exploded view we had of his corpse in [[Natural Selection, Part 1|#86]] have reappeared. This mismatched purple-and-green color scheme the corpse is sporting suggests Bludgeon had to use a few spare parts from other sources to hold him all together.
*Seen cleaning debris out of [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] on page 5 is the bartender that appeared in "[[Out to Lunch!]]" from issue #240 of the UK series. That story was in black and white, but here, the character appears with the blue color scheme that he was given in new artwork of the bar in ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]''.
*Inferno and Slag were both previously shown to be suffering from Nucleon exposure. As Inferno is part of crowd control, and Slag is with the other Dinobots (and no longer feral) it would seem that the Autobots moved swiftly to put Scorponok's research (recovered in [[Natural Selection, Part 5|the previous issue]]) to work. It is possible both were cured of Nucleon's effects via the same process Grimlock was, though this isn't explicitly mentioned.

===Transformers references===
*In Galvatron's flashback to the destruction of his Cybertron, an unseen victim of Unicron's is heard to scream "It's the end!" Another voice is about to contradict him with the famous [[Furmanism]], "It never ends!", but only gets out "But it nev-" before screaming.
*"[[Eugenesis Plaza]]", the scene of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod's]] disastrous speech, appears to be named for [[James Roberts]]' fanfic novel ''Eugenesis''.
*[[Rook (G2)|Rook]] notes "trace elements of '''''[[AllSpark]]''''' source matter" on the ruined [[Cresta Superior]] from the rampage of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]]-infused [[Blitz Engine]]s.

===Real world-references===

===Errors===
*There's a little green dude amongst the Transformers performing crowd control for Hot Rod during his speech on page 14. As it can't be Rack'n'Ruin, it's presumably a miscolored Sandstorm, who appears colored properly among the riot-controllers on page 16.
*In an error recurring from [[Counterpoint|#81]], Optimus Prime shouldn't know Galvatron's name. See that page for more details.

===Trivia===
*While [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]' body appears to be faithful to his original ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Generation 2]]'' design, Rook is unrecognisable, transforming from a bird-like jet vaguely similar to ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] into a spindly all-silver form.

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Bludgeon cutting Cybertron in half, by Andrew Wildman and [[Jason Cardy]].
*'''Cover B:''' A split image, with Earth on the left and Nebulos on the right, and a faded Optimus Prime looking over both, by [[Guido Guidi]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Galvatron poses over a chasm, by [[Geoff Senior]] and [[Josh Burcham]].
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The Transformers (issue)

2013-05-08T00:03:42Z

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{{disambig2|the first comic issue of the first comic series about Transformers|other uses of ''The Transformers''|Transformers (disambiguation)}}
{{comicstory|
|seriesissue=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (US)]] #1
|next=Power Play!
|seriesissue2=[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|''The Transformers'' (UK)]] #1–2
|next2=Power Play!
|image=MarvelUS-01.jpg
|caption=[[Smallest Transforming Transformers|Largest Transforming Transformers]] Optimus Prime! One of six blind-packed $500,000,000 toys!
|title="The Transformers"
|publisher=[[Marvel Comics]]
|date=[[May 8]], [[1984]]
|coverdate=September 1984
|plot=[[Bill Mantlo]]
|script=[[Ralph Macchio]]
|pencils=[[Frank Springer]]
|inks=[[Kim DeMulder]]
|colors=[[Nelson Yomtov]]
|lettering=[[Michael Higgins]], [[Rick Parker]]
|editor=[[Bob Budiansky]]
|continuity=[[Marvel Comics continuity]]
|packaged with=|packaged with=[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Optimus Prime]]
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'''A group of sentient warring robots crash-lands on Earth four million years ago. When they awake in the present day, their battle begins anew.'''

==Synopsis==
On the [[Saturn]]-sized mechanical world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], life has evolved not through carbon bonding, but via "[[Atechnogenesis|naturally-occurring gears, levers, and pulleys]]". The resultant sentient robots, the [[Autobot]]s, live in peace for many eons, until some of their number fall victim to a lust for power. Rallying behind the banner of the powerful [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], these "[[Decepticon]]s" rebuild their bodies, allowing them to [[Transformation|change]] at will between a humanoid form and the form of various war machines. The Decepticons unleash a furious war on the Autobots, intending to conquer the planet and rebuild it as a cosmic dreadnought.

Faced with annihilation, the Autobots turn to a noble leader from their own ranks: [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]]. Under his leadership, the Autobots, also now gifted with the ability to "transform", rally and counterattack. And thus, an [[Great War (G1)|all-consuming war]] rages across the planet for a thousand years, while the planet itself—dislodged from its orbit by the titanic battles—spins out of control through the cosmos.

Eventually Cybertron enters another [[solar system]] and is faced with destruction as it approaches an asteroid belt. Aboard a huge spacecraft dubbed the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], Optimus Prime leads a team of Autobots on a mission to clear a path through the asteroids. After the mission is completed, the Decepticons attack the weakened Autobot warriors. Facing inevitable defeat, Optimus Prime sends the Ark on a suicide course into a supposedly [[Earth|lifeless planet]]. The crash renders all the combatants inert.

[[File:Combat deck marvel 1.jpg|left|thumb|Combat Deck bought a junker lot from eBay.]]
Four million years later, a [[Mount St. Hilary|volcanic eruption]] reactivates the Ark's dormant computer, which finds the planet now teaming with mechanical "life". It reactivates the ship's passengers, rebuilding them to resemble the planet's natives. Damaged, the computer does not recognize friend from foe, and thus both factions are restored to life. After [[Introdump|checking themselves over]], the Decepticons flee for other parts, leaving the Autobots to make their home in the crashed Ark. Observing the planet, Optimus notes that they must work to save the planet from the Decepticons, whom they've accidentally unleashed upon it.

Optimus Prime sends a team of five, under the command of [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], to scout out the new world and make contact with the natives. En route, they are sighted by Decepticon spy [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]. The Autobots mistake a drive-in movie theater for some kind of religious ritual; Bumblebee over-enthusiastically nudges a "native", violently jostling its teenage occupants [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster]], [[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]] and [["O"]]. As Buster and the others climb out to see what happened, the Decepticons attack, intent on keeping their foes from establishing an alliance with the planet's natives. The Autobots reluctantly transform and defend themselves, turning the drive-in into a battlefield. During the battle, Prowl realizes that the automobiles are not alive at all, but the [[Human|small, pink creatures]] fleeing from them are; the Autobots retreat to draw the Decepticons' fire away from the apparently defenseless fleshlings.

During the battle, Buster hears the damaged Bumblebee cry out in pain, and ends up "driving" him away from the battlefield. That night, his father "[[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]]" finds him tinkering with the yellow Volkswagen Beetle in his garage. He's delighted that his son is finally showing some interest in mechanics, but not so amused when the car cries out that it needs help, because it's dying...

{{note|Chronologically, the UK Annual stories "[[State Games]]" and "[[And There Shall Come...a Leader!]]" are set during the early events of this issue.}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] (4)
*[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (10)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (13)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (14)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (15)
*[[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (16)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Bumblebee]] (17)
*[[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (18)
*[[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (19)
*[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] (20)
*[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] (21)
*[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (22)
*[[Gears (G1)|Gears]] (23)
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (24)
*[[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (25)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (26)
*[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (27)
*[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]] (28)
|c2=
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (1)
*[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (2)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] (3)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (5)
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (6)
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (7)
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (8)
*[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] (9)
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (11)
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] (12)
|c3=
*[[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] (29)
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (30)
*[[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]] (31)
*[["O"]] (32)}}

==Notes==
*Advertised as part #1 in a [[The Transformers Four-Issue Limited Series|four-issue limited series]].
*Printed on high-quality [[Mando paper]].
*The artwork uses early character designs for many characters, some of them heavily toy-based (Ironhide, Ratchet, Brawn, Gears), others based on early models that would later be changed (Megatron, Starscream's color scheme), and still others completely random (Gears again).
*The "revival drones" that reactivate the Ark's crew are based on Optimus Prime's [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]].
*Though many generics appear in the pre-Earth battle aboard the Ark and its aftermath, the art might be seen as providing an "out": On page 12, what looks to be a huge pile of unrepaired Transformers can be seen between behind Optimus and Megatron as they re-awaken.
*On [[May 22]], the [http://groups.google.com/group/net.comics/msg/1cdaf7df610e0376?dmode=source&hl=en first Usenet post about Transformers] is posted by Ted Nolan to net.comics, regarding this issue. Capsule review? "Worst comic of the year."
*The cover price is 75 cents, which would be $1.50 when adjusted for inflation to 2007 dollars. In November, 2007, [[IDW Publishing]]'s Transformers comics cost $3.99.
*The cover corner box, a staple of Marvel's covers from the 1970s through the mid-1990s, features a [[character model]] of Optimus Prime. A new, more dramatic pose would debut with the first ongoing issue ([[The New Order|issue #5]]).
*Over the course of the series, some of this issue's early details would be retconned away or simply ignored. Among them are the notion of a Saturn-sized Cybertron, the "naturally evolving" origin of the Transformers, and the toy-based appearance of several characters, such as Ratchet, Ironhide, Bumblebee and Brawn.
*The UK printing in both the original issues and the Collected Comics reprints omits the two-page spread of the Autobots introducing themselves. The original UK printing instead shifts the spread to the centre pages (out of order with the rest of the story) as a poster, with the Transformers logo pasted over the smaller top-left frame. It would eventually appear by itself in the [[Transformers Annual 1986|first annual]] and with the rest of the story in "The Complete Works" reprint (though the smaller previously obscured panel would be redrawn by [[Geoff Senior]] - presumably Marvel UK damaged the original while creating the poster). This means the early UK continuity initially lacks an official complete list of the Autobots originally on Earth and appearances by [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] in "[[The Enemy Within!]]" and (seemingly) [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] in "[[Decepticon Dam-Busters!]]" are thus easier to reconcile.
*The letters printed in issue 1 of the UK comic were provided by pupils from Greycourt School (in Ham, near Richmond in South West London) who were visiting the Marvel UK offices. Their visit was written up in a magazine published at the school. The teacher who arranged the visit was Stephen Payne, former president of the Doctor Who Appreciation Society and soon to be publisher of Visual Imagination Magazines (Starburst & TV Zone).<ref>Extract from Greycourt school 1984 sci fi mag detailing visit to the Marvel UK comics offices that resulted in comments appearing in the letters page of Marvel UK Transformers #1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/48819633@N05/5297859701/</ref>

===Errors===
Hoo-boy.
* It's said in this issue that the war between the Transformers ''knocked Cybertron out of its orbit'', which sounds...very improbable because of the sheer magnitude of force required for something like that to happen; Cybertron would have likely been completely obliterated before it would've been knocked out of its orbit.
[[File:Contentedfools.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
* In his very first appearance, parts of Soundwave's backpack, arms and legs are colored red.
[[File:M01 tomaandi.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
* As he and Optimus Prime report to the Autobot Elders, Jazz is shown with two missile launchers instead of one, and is colored yellow and blue instead of his proper white and black. He's also ''extremely'' toy-based, right down to have the toy's conjoined uni-feet, and complete with Earthly car parts!
* Numerous [[generic]]s show up aboard the Ark. By story continuity, it should only have the 18 crew members shown here, plus the future Dinobots (whose characters presumably didn't exist yet in real-life terms).
[[File:Generic decepticons marvel 1.jpg|thumb|250px|...[[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]], is that you?]]
*Page 7:
**As the Decepticons first strike the Ark, Optimus Prime is colored almost entirely red.
**A blue-chested, red-legged Optimus Prime is among the invading Decepticons! In the same panel, Optimus himself is colored entirely red and is missing his chest windows.
**None of the invading Decepticons resemble the ten Decepticons later shown to compose Megatron's crew.
*Page 8: Prowl is missing his door/wings, though one could retcon this as being his "Cybertronian" body.
*Page 10: "The drone swiftly plots its return to the Ark"—it's not clear from context if "it" is the jet scanned by the probe, or the probe itself. Neither makes a lot of sense.
*Page 12: The robots undergoing repair don't really correspond to any Transformer known to be present.
*Nobody thought to attack the other faction instead of standing around yakking? (Granted, some of the Autobots do open fire as the Decepticons transform to escape.)
*Soundwave converts to his tape player form and flies off with the jets! Or starts to, at least—he's not shown in the next panel as the Decepticons flee the volcano.
*In the giant two-page Autobot spread:
**Sideswipe seems to have a made-up or at least off-model head.
**Wheeljack's "ears" are kind of folded up against his head.
**Bluestreak is missing his door/wings and shoulder rockets.
**Gears is a strange alternate model bearing almost no resemblance to his toy or later design.
**Hound, Wheeljack, and Sideswipe are all missing their shoulder launchers.
**Trailbreaker is missing his force field projector.
[[File:Gearsg1firstappearance.jpg|thumb|250px|]]
*Page 16:
**Gears seems to have an entirely new, entirely different model here.
**Bluestreak is colored like Prowl.
**Bumblebee suddenly has the toy-based "backing plate" behind his head, whereas before he didn't.
**Not all of the silhouettes correspond to actual characters.
**Sunstreaker's "ears" are misshapen.
*Page 17: Sparkplug's "okay" is missing a period at the end.
*Page 19: Prowl calls Brawn "Bumblebee". More Deception generics visible on the cliff.
*Page 22: Starscream's entire cockpit cowling is colored as though it were a canopy.
*When Ravage confronts him, Hound has ''two'' shoulder launchers.
*Soundwave is colored silver-blue as he attacks Prowl and Cliffjumper. His gun is missing its narrow tip.
*Cliffjumper's arms are colored white as Prowl orders the retreat.

===Real-world references===
*A [[Hitchhiker]] compares the sound of a team of Autobots driving down the highway to the [[Indy 500]].

===Covers (12)===
*'''US issue #1 cover:''' gigantic Optimus Prime, tiny Starscream, Gears, Laserbeak and the Witwickys, by [[Bill Sienkiewicz]].
*'''UK issue #1 cover:''' Soundwave and Buzzsaw kick Prime's ass, by [[Jerry Paris]].
*'''UK issue #2 cover:''' the Autobots depart the Ark, by [[John Ridgway]].
*'''Collected Comics #1 cover:''' Prime and Megatron battle, by [[Michael Golden]]. Reuse of US issue [[Power Play!|#2]]'s cover.
*'''The Complete Works Part 1 cover:''' reuse of UK issue #1's cover.
*'''Die Transformer #1 cover:''' A very bright Optimus Prime battles Decepticons, by [[Scholz]].
*'''The Transformers Comics Magazine #1 cover:''' Reuse of US issue #2's cover.
*'''Transformers: Beginnings soft cover:''' The Ark, Prime, Ravage and half of Cybertron, by [[Andrew Wildman]].
*'''Transformers: Beginnings hard cover:''' [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] stands over an oil rig, by [[Ron Garney]] and [[Chris Blythe]].
*'''25th Anniversary Optimus Prime cover:''' now including tiny disclaimer: "Headline from original comic; this reissue is not part of a series."
*'''Classic Transformers Volume 1 cover:''' featuring panels from this issue, "[[Power Play!]]", "[[The New Order]]", "[[Brainstorm!]]" and "[[Prime Time!]]".
*'''The Transformers Classics, Vol. 1 cover:''' Optimus Prime, by [[Guido Guidi]].
<gallery>
Image:MarvelUS-01.jpg|'''US issue #1''' - First he will crush the planes, then he will crush the giant floating heads.
Image:MarvelUK-1.jpg|'''UK issue #1''' - Is Soundwave on [[Ultra-Energon]]?
Image:MarvelUK-2.jpg|'''UK issue #2''' - Is this girl '''that''' into her doll that she didn't see the [[Michael Bay|giant f*cking robots]]?
Image:Tfcolcom01.jpg|'''Collected Comics #1'''
Image:Complete works 1 cover.jpg|'''The Complete Works Part 1'''
Image:Die tf 01.jpg|'''Die Transformer #1'''
Image:Transformers Digest 01-cover.jpg|'''The Transformers Comics Magazine #1'''
Image:Titan-BeginningsSC.jpg|'''Titan Beginnings soft cover'''
Image:Titan-BeginningsHC.jpg|'''Titan Beginnings hard cover'''
Image:MarvelUS-01-25years.jpg|'''US issue #1''' (25th Anniversary Optimus Prime pack-in)
Image:Classic Transformers Vol1.jpg|'''Classic Transformers Volume 1'''
Image:TFClassicsVol1.JPG|'''The Transformers Classics, Vol 1'''
</gallery>

===Generics===
This issue features a broad range of [[generic]] Transformers, from peace-loving Autobots to a Decepticon raiding party. As the brand was in its infancy at this stage, [[character model]]s were not yet fixed and coloring tended to veer towards the random, so some of these generics may have been [[authorial intent|intended]] to represent actual characters. Whether they do so is probably best left [[Personal canon|up to you]].

{{main|Big Red}}

<gallery>
Image:Generic autobots marvel 1.jpg|The first glimpse of the Transformers. The Autobot on the far right may represent a pre-war Optimus Prime (Orion Pax/Optronix?) while the others share design elements (if not colors) with the 1984 [[Autobot Cars|Autobot cars]].
Image:Generics marvel 1.jpg|Since he is called out in the caption box, it is probably fair to assume that the robot armed with the [[ion blaster]] represents Optimus Prime, albeit miscolored. That may be Sideswipe to his right, apparently armed with a [[fusion cannon]].
Image:Generic decepticons marvel 1.jpg|In one of the more famous mistakes from this issue, a robot resembling a miscolored Optimus Prime leads the Decepticon raid on the Ark.
</gallery>

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===Reprints===
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*[[2003]] — ''[[Transformers: Beginnings (G1)|Transformers: Beginnings]]''
*[[2008]] — ''[[Classic Transformers Volume 1]]''
*[[2011]] — ''[[The Transformers Classics, Vol. 1]]''

==Footnotes==
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The Gloaming

2013-04-28T03:53:10Z

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|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[April 24]], [[2013]]
|coverdate=April 2013
|story by=[[James Roberts]]
|pencils by=[[Agustin Padilla]]
|inks by=[[Jose Aviles]]
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Tom B. Long]]
|assistant editor=[[Toni Korde]] and [[Mariel Romero]]
|editor=[[John Barber]]
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'''Rodimus and Chromedome wrestle with their emotions in the wake of Overlord's rampage, as Ultra Magnus hovers at death's door and Drift makes a fateful decision.'''

==Synopsis==
Fatally wounded by [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] lies on [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]]'s operating table aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]'', his life flashing before his eyes—from the time he tried to bluff the [[Warriors Elite]] during the [[Battle for Hell's Point]] and was shot by [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] himself, to his explosive encounter with a [[K-Class]] [[Torque (G1)|Decepticon]] on the planet [[Clemency]] amidst the struggle over the [[Nightmare Engine]], to his battle with a [[Cybernought]] on [[Simanzi]]. All the while, [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] sits by his bedside and plays his [[The Empyrean Suite|favorite song]] for him, and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] cleans his body. Neither of the little bots' efforts are particularly appreciated by Ratchet, nor is [[Drift (G1)|Drift]]'s disgust at his use of what he calls a "[[death clock]]": a medical scanning field that monitors the rate of contraction of Magnus's shrinking [[spark]] to calculate a time of death. With the clock giving Magnus only ten more days, Tailgate grows increasingly distraught, partially at the clinical approach the others are taking to the situation. Punctuating this sentiment, Swerve shushes him so they can hear an announcement over the tannoy by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]], who vows to discover who is responsible for Overlord's being on the ship.

Worried about [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]]'s emotional state following [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]]'s death, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] goes looking for him, and finds him outside the ship, on the hull, watching the stars as he used to do with Rewind. Discovering him to be quite calm and collected—eerily so—Skids leaves. Someone who is ''not'' so calm and collected, however, is Rodimus, who has just finished trashing his office in a rage when [[Rung]] enters. The pair talk about Magnus and the source of Rodimus's fury; Rung opines that his anger is not over his failure to protect his crew, but rather, over the fact that ''he himself'' was not responsible for defeating Overlord. The psychiatrist's words evidently strike too close to home, and Rodimus menacingly invites Rung to vacate his office, which he does with all due haste.

Presently, a group funeral is held for those who died during Overlord's rampage, and as everyone settles into place for the speeches, Swerve resolves to distract himself from Rewind's death by finding out what's inside [[Brainstorm]]'s briefcase. Proceedings soon get underway; Rodimus delivers a eulogy for popular crew member [[Tripodeca]], then invites Chromedome to say a few words for Rewind, noting—after a stern glare from Rung—the little archivist's central role in saving the ship. Chromedome delivers a brief, unemotional farewell for his partner and returns to his seat, piquing Brainstorm's attention. After the deceased's bodies are given a space burial, the scientist follows Chromedome back to his quarters, where he finds him sorting through Rewind's belongings and disposing of them. It turns out Brainstorm has seen Chromedome like this before: the surgeon has had several [[Conjux Endura]]e in his life, and after the deaths of each one, the intensity of the emotional connections he forged with them repeatedly led him to use his [[mnemosurgery]] skills on himself, removing his memories of them in order to escape the hurt. Chromedome has been so disconnected because he has been planning to do this to himself; this, Brainstorm explains, is why he does not have any [[innermost energon]]—not because he was born without it, but because he has loved and lost so many that he has given it all up as deathbed offerings. Chromedome half-heartedly promises Brainstorm he won't go through with it, but Brainstorm knows better, having had this conversation with him before. The scientist sadly leaves the room after giving him one final gift: a [[data slug]] thrown through the doors of the [[slow cell]] by Rewind before they closed. Left alone, Chromedome plays the slug to discover a farewell message from Rewind, edited together from his database of video and audio clips in the final moments of this life, which entreats Chromedome to be strong, to go on without Rewind, and to allow himself to be happy. Rewind signs off by telling Chromedome he loves him, and Chromedome, after a moment, retracts his mnemosurgery needles back into his fingers.

As Chromedome is playing the message, much of the rest of the crew gathers in the shuttle bay, where Rodimus addresses them. An investigation into the culprit behind Overlord's presence was not necessary, as Drift has admitted responsibility and explained everything. With barely restrained fury, Rodimus strips him of his Autobot symbol and exiles him from the ship. As he walks towards the shuttle prepared for him, Drift is knocked down by a piece of debris hurled by an angry crew member; Ratchet helps him up, and Drift departs on his little ship.

Down in the medical bay, as Rodimus's announcement plays over the tannoy, Ultra Magnus's arm moves, and his hand clenches into a fist. A little later, Ratchet and Tailgate return to find that he has disappeared! Half-jokingly suggesting they look under the table, Tailgate leans forward, into the path of the scanning field... then looks up to see that the "death clock" is giving him just under three-and-a-half days to live!

==Featured characters==
(Characters in ''italic text'' appear only in flashbacks and/or Rewind's video clips.) 
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*''[[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]]'' (1)
*''[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]'' (2)
*''[[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'' (3)
*''[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'' (4)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (5)
*''[[Ore]]'' (12)
*''[[Shock]]'' (13)
*''[[Powerdasher|"Zetar"]]'' (14)
*''[[Cromar]]'' (15)
*''[[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]]'' (18)
*[[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (19)
*[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (20)
*[[Drift (G1)|Drift]] (22)
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*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] (23)
*[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] (24)
*[[Skids (G1)|Skids]] (25)
*[[Rung]] (26)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] (27)
*[[Xaaron]] (28)
*[[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] (30)
*[[Brainstorm]] (31)
*[[Tripodeca]] (32)
*"Toxin" (33)
*[[Atomizer]] (34)
*''[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'' (35)
*''[[Slamdance (G1)|Slamdance]]'' (36)
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*''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'' (37)
*''[[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]]'' (38)
*''[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]]'' (39)
*''[[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]'' (40)
*''[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'' (41)
*''[[Kick-Off (G1)|Kick-Off]]'' (44)
*''[[Skyfall (G1)|Skyfall]]'' (45)
*''[[Ambulon]] (46)
*''[[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]]'' (47)
*''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] (48)
*''[[Springer (G1)|Springer]]'' (49)
*''[[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] (50)
*''[[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]]'' (51)
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*[[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]] (6)
*''[[Sixshot]]'' (7)
*''[[Heretech]]'' (8)
*''[[Killmaster]]'' (9)
*''[[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]]'' (10)
*''[[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]]'' (11)
*''Numerous [[K-Class]] 'bots'' (16)
*''[[Torque (G1)|Torque]]'' (17)
*''[[Snaptrap (G1)|Snaptrap]]'' (42)
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*[[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (21)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (29)
*''[[Nova Prime]]'' (43)
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==Quotes==

"At the risk of sparking an '''ontological argument''', certain machines—machines like that—are an '''affront to nature'''."
:—'''Drift''', on the "death clock"

"Look, I know you want me to tell you it's going to be okay, but—" 
<big>"'''Yes!'''</big> Yes, I '''do'''! Because it's '''not''' okay! I '''know''' 'okay'—I '''specialize''' in 'okay'—and I can tell you pretty emphatically that '''none''' of this—none of this business with '''Overlord''' and '''Magnus''' and '''Rewind'''—none of this even '''approaches''' my definition of 'okay'!" 
"Maybe you should see '''Rung'''. You could be suffering from some kind of '''stress-related disorder'''..." 
"I'm '''upset'''! Doesn't anyone '''do''' upset anymore? What's '''wrong''' with you people? Is this a '''war thing'''?"
:—'''Ratchet''' and '''Tailgate'''

"Rewind and I used to come out here a lot. Mapping the constellations... Heh—that makes it sound too grand. We used to make pictures with stars. Over there—look—we have the ''Vis Vitalis''. And there's '''Prowl''' being hit over the head by a [[fusion cannon]]. Whack!" 
"I'm struggling to see that one." 
"Yeah, I just made that one up for '''old time's sake'''. Prowl being battered was a Rewind special."
:—'''Chromedome''' and '''Skids'''

"Sir, I don't think you did this to your office because of Ultra Magnus. You're angry, but not about that." 
"I'm angry because I failed the crew." 
"Or maybe... maybe what's '''really''' making you angry is the fact that you didn't defeat Overlord yourself. Fortress Maximus and Chromdome and Rewind—dear Rewind—'''they''' got him off the ship. '''They''' saved everyone; not you. And you hate it, and you hate that you hate it." 
"I think you'd better leave now." 
"But my point is that you '''shouldn't''' hate yourself for feeling—" 
"'''Quickly.'''"
:—'''Rung''' gets a little too close to the truth with '''Rodimus'''

'''Skids:''' "I can't believe Brainstorm brought his '''briefcase''' to a funeral. Ever wonder what's in—" 
'''Swerve:''' "'''Absolutely all the time.'''" 
'''Whirl:''' "It'll be '''exquisite''', whatever it is. Brainstorm's a frikkin' '''artist'''." 
'''Swerve:''' "Okay, that's it, '''new mission:''' open the briefcase. It'll distract me from Rewind." 
'''Skids:''' "Great. I look forward to the crippling anticlimax." 

"It always ends the same way. I'll leave the room and you'll stick your fingers in your neck; and later, when I ask you how you're feeling, you'll give me that blank look. The '''worst''' look. Because then Rewind really '''will''' be dead."
:—'''Brainstorm''', to Chromedome

"Your attention for a moment. This is Rewind, showing you edited footage from my database. I've probably got 0.8 seconds before game over, so hear me out. I've always been terrified that you'd die before I did, because you and me apart strikes me as intensely wrong. So promise me something. Be brave. And be strong. And keep going without me. And another thing: no more injecting. It '''will''' kill you. And remember: you deserve to be happy. The New Institute was the old you. You're a better person now—stubborn and frustrating, but wonderful. And to think, I will never see you again. One more thing—one last thing—because I don't say it enough: I love you."
:-'''Rewind'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s final message (edited together for readability)

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*Magnus's first flashback is to the [[Battle for Hell's Point]], a conflict previously mentioned in [[Chaos Theory Part 1|"Chaos Theory," Part 1]] and Impactor's [[Autopedia]] profile in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #5]] (and sure enough, Impactor does cameo on the first page).
*The [[Warriors Elite]] were the subgroup from which the later [[Phase Sixer]]s would be chosen; they were first mentioned by name back in [[Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|issue #2]] and had their origins properly explained in [[Remembrance Day|issue #14]]. This issue gives us our first look at Heretech, only previously mentioned in #14, and reveals that the wand-wielding [[Killmaster]] (intermittently mentioned through Roberts's works starting with [[How Ratchet Got His Hands Back|issue #5]]) is also a member of the group. He was not listed among them in #14, indicating he was brought in after Overlord as the fifth (and final?) member.
*It was noted in "Chaos Theory" that the Battle for Hell's Point was Megatron's first outing with his pistol alternate mode, reflected in this issue when Magnus doesn't realize the gun Heretech is holding is Megatron until he speaks.
*Magnus's second flashback is to the battle on the planet [[Clemency]] which we saw the Decepticon side of in [[Scavengers (Part 2): Who's Afraid of the DJD?|issue #8]]. Clemency is revealed to be the location of the [[Nightmare Engine]], a mysterious Decepticon weapon mentioned in [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #4]].
*Among Magnus's team on Clemency are the [[Powerdasher]]s, of whom the drill and jet types appear on-panel (but more are indicated to be present). Magnus issues orders to a character named "[[Cromar]]"—while this name is not explicitly attached to a character on-page, it was the name given to the jet Powerdasher when it was released by [[GiG]] and [[Joustra]] in Europe.
*Magnus's team is on Clemency to save [[Pious Maximus]], a religious figure who appeared in [[Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|issue #10]].
*The K-Class Decepticon with Magnus's name written on his side is [[Torque (G1)|Torque]], who appeared in issue #8 with Magnus's name on display even then.
*The third flashback takes us to [[Simanzi]], home to the [[Crucible]] and site of a famous masscare first mentioned in [[Rotorstorm (G1)|Rotorstorm]]'s Autopedia proile from [[Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 1|''Last Stand of the Wreckers'' #1]].
*Magnus's team falls foul of a [[Cybernought]] on Simanzi; one of these gigantic battle mechs previously appeared in issue #8.
*Magnus's flashbacks offer us some insight into a few of his foibles that have come to light during the ''More than Meets the Eye'' series. When he believes he has the upper hand on the Warriors Elite, he smiles—an action that he has been famously known for ''not'' doing, which was played for comedy most prominently in the [[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|2012 annual]]. This, obviously, is the "one time" that he smiled referred to in his short bio on the "Meet the Cast" page. During the Clemency battle, his Autobot symbol is crooked—behavior he showed no tolerance for in issue #2—and he allows himself to be called "Mags", something he lambasted [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] for in [[Cybertronian Homesick Blues|issue #13]]. And on Simanzi, he's waist-deep in filth, in contrast to the neat-freak dirt-hating quirk he's displayed many times. James Roberts commented on the flashback, remarking that he wished to [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|remember him as he was...]] <ref>http://tformers.com/transformers-more-than-meets-the/19940/news.html</ref>
*Rotorstorm remarks that "lighthearted banter" should be left up to Magnus—this isn't something that IDW's Magnus has ''ever'' been known for, but at the same time, it's hard to know if Rotorstorm is being serious or making a sarcastic joke (as he was known for being a joker in ''Last Stand of the Wreckers''). There's still fodder for analysis in Magnus's manner of speaking here, though; issue #13's "[[Signal to Noise]]" dissected Magnus's particular usage of language, and the Clemency flashback shows him using some figurative language that "Signal to Noise" saw him insist he had abandoned.
*Swerve is playing the ''[[The Empyrean Suite]]'' for Magnus, a piece of music that we learned was running through Skids's head back in issue #8. There, we learned the music has a sinister connotation that we are not yet aware of, but which, per Swerve's dialogue, is evidently common knowledge.
*Skids refers to Trailbreaker's change of name (to Trail''cutter''), referred to previously in-dialogue in ''More than Meets the Eye'' in [[Interiors|issue #6]], which was explained the same month this issue was published in [[The Reluctant Specialist|''Spotlight: Trailcutter'']].
*Unseen Autobots [[Spoke]] and [[Lockstock]] get another mention, having first been spoken of in [[Before & After|issue #12]]. The running gag is that they're clearly a big noise on the ship, but we never get to see or hear from them; here, they're established to be friends with the super-popular Tripodeca.
*Chromedome's lack of innermost energon was mentioned in issue #12.
*Five previously-seen scenes from the past issues of MTMTE can be spotted among Rewind's collage of video clips:
**Rodimus addressing the crew after the accident with the quantum engines ([[Liars, A to D Part 2: Hangers On|issue #2]])
**Prowl urging Rewind to change Chromedome's mind ([[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|issue #1]])
**Brainstorm placing a bet on when Rodimus would say "Till all are one" ([[Primus: You, Me, and Other Revelations|Annual 2012]])
**Tailgate inquiring about the ending of Rewind's "epic story" ([[Shadowplay (Conclusion): An Intimate Beheading|issue #11]])
**Trailbreaker holding Shock's extracted [[brain module]] ([[Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|issue #3]])
*Rewind's clips also include a "deleted scene" of sorts, of Swerve saying "this is" with Tailgate behind him. This is from when he introduced Tailgate to Rewind (obviously saying "This is Tailgate") which took place in issue #2, but only Rewind's response is actually in the issue itself.
*Also among Rewind's clips is a shot of [[Snaptrap (G1)|Snaptrap]] behind bars. He's obviously in the brig of the ''Lost Light'' following his capture in issue #12, and is still sporting the stab-wound in his faceplate he sustained in that issue.

===Transformers references===
*Brainstorm names three of Chromedome's past lovers as [[Pivot]], [[Scattergun]] and [[Mach]]. The first two are new names, while Mach was the name of a member of the [[Multiforce]] from ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory]]''. Same dude? Why not!
*Tripodeca's design seems strongly influenced by [[Mini-Con]] [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] from ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Transformers: Armada]]''.
*Artist Agustin Padilla accidentally drew Chromedome amongst the Autobots gathered in the shuttle bay on page 17. With a quick edit to the lineart and a new blue, green and white paintjob, colorist Josh Burcham turned the figure into "Toxin", an unofficial redeco of Chromedome created for [[Unofficial conventions|TFCon 2011]], Canada's premiere Transformers convention.

===Real-life references===
*"Gloaming" is an old Scottish word meaning "twilight". That it is also the name of a Radiohead song from their 2003 album ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_to_the_Thief Hail to the Thief]'' is only coincidence [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=13702], despite Roberts' predilection for [[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|dropping]] [[Momus|musical]] [[Under Cold Blue Stars|references]] into his work.
*The death clock may or may not be a reference to an invention by [http://theinfosphere.org/Professor_Hubert_J._Farnsworth Professor Farnsworth from ''Futurama''].
*The name Chromedome gives a constellation, the "Vis Vitalis", is the name of a classical alchemical principle of a "life force" possessed by living creatures. Not sure how you make a picture of that.

===Other notes===
*When it was initially released through digital retailer Comixology, buyers of this issue found they received a copy of ''[[Heavy Is the Head|Robots in Disguise'' #16]] instead. The comic was fortunately updated to the correct one within just over an hour.
*Rewind's shattered head-camera is among the drifting debris at the top of page 5.
*Chromedome is wearing a black Autobot [[insignia]] in mourning.
*We get one shot of Overlord's smashed body drifting in space, on page 7. He's... ''preeeetty'' clearly making a fist, with a handy piece of space debris floating past in the foreground obscuring what may or may not be ''in'' that fist. Worrisome.
*The "Meet the Crew" page is completely overhauled this issue, with new mini-bios for everyone. The red "x" implying his death last issue is removed from Ultra Magnus's entry, while the dispatched [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] and Rewind are replaced with Fortress Maximus and Perceptor. Chromedome's position is listed as "lamentatorem", Latin for "mourner".
*For the first time in the series, the last names of the inker and colorist of the issue were on the front cover.

===Errors===
*In both past and present sequences, Ultra Magnus is consistently drawn with his original Generation 1 body, a look he's never worn in IDW G1 continuity.
*The name of the Decepticons' giant battle mechs is spelled "Cybernaught" here, but was spelled "Cybern'''o'''ught" back in issue #8.
*Swerve and Tailgate are both drawn at around the same height as Ratchet, when they should be much shorter.
*When Chromedome and Skids are standing on the Lost Light's outer hull, neither is wearing magna-clamps on his feet.
*The five coffins at the funeral are each marked by a colored flame. On page 11, they are red, green, white, and two are blue. On page 12, however, Tripodeca's flame is none of these colors, appearing yellow instead.

===Crew manifest===
*Tripodeca is revealed to have been among those killed in Overlord's rampage. Four other caskets are jettisoned along with his; assuming one contains Pipes, and that Rewind didn't get one since he left no remains to jettison, that would mean three other unnamed crewmembers were victims of Overlord too.
*Ultra Magnus has ten days of life remaining.
*Tailgate's only got three! Wha-huh?
*11 deaths, one fatal wounding and 5 new arrivals (plus 20 or so Faders) since the launch.

===Soundtrack===
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn_uWqlbdOM Your Funny Uncle]'' by [[Wikipedia:Pet Shop Boys|Pet Shop Boys]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2c_E_c-U0 Holes]'' by [[Wikipedia: Mercury Rev|Mercury Rev]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3uIwEY27DQ Tracy]'' by [[Wikipedia: Mogwai|Mogwai]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ57Ej8nAJY Les Jour Tristes]'' by [[Wikipedia:Neil Hannon|Neil Hannon]] & [[Wikipedia: Yann Tiersen|Yann Tiersen]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg1mVv3Z4Xk The Sadness of Things]'' by [[Wikipedia:Momus (musician)|Momus]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpBnX27eF_w Embers]'' by Byrne
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOBs8dU4Pb8 Run]'' by [[Wikipedia: Snow Patrol|Snow Patrol]]
*''[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A80czw4uz60 Lullaby]'' by [[Wikipedia: Arco (band)|Arco]]

===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Drift turns from a shattered Autobot [[insignia]], by [[Alex Milne]] and [[Joana Lafuente]]
*'''Cover B:''' Rodimus, post-tantrum, in his wrecked office, by [[Nick Roche]] and [[Priscilla Tramontano]]
*'''Cover RI:''' Monochrome white (with a few red highlights) bust shot of Drift by [[Marcelo Matere]], continuing the previous three months' "bust" theme for the RI covers, paralleling the RI cover to ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Heavy Is the Head|#16]].

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==References==
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