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Sideburn's Obsession

2008-05-10T04:08:45Z

Spriteless: /* Detailed synopsis */ car's gender

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[[Image:Sideburnsobsession titlecard.jpg|thumb|400px|[sic]]]

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The Predacons use [[Side Burn (RiD)|Side Burn's]] appetites against him.

==Detailed synopsis==

It all starts with with Sideburn chasing down a weird looking red car. Prowl tries to stop them but loses them. Sideburn follows the car into a junkyard and is shocked and upset that the red car was actually Megatron. (which brings up an interesting point, does Sideburn care about the car's gender?) The Predacons apparently know about his taste in cars and used it to trick him. Sideburn is then captured by the Predacons and is now part of their evil plan.

The next day Optimus and Sideburn's brothers are all worried when he didn't check in and go out to serch for him. They are stopped by the Predacons who leave a message that if they want to see Sideburn again Optimus had to go get him alone. Optimus decides to go against the wishes of his soldiers who know it's a trap.

Meanwhile Koji is with his friend and friend's father at a car crushing facility. The Predacons attack and order them to leave. As they run, Koji spots Sideburn as their prisoner and stays to see if he can help. Inside the Predacons tell Sideburn their plot. They were going to use Sideburn to lure Optimus into a trap and then hand him over to Megatron.

Back at the base Prowl and X-Brawn convince TAI to send the Spychangers to help Optimus. The two brothers decide to help out by going in disguise. Sadly it doesn't seems that Prowl hasn't any imagination (he's wearing a NO ENTRY bib and holding a NO ENTRY sign while asking his brother to guess who he was) and X-Brawn tells him that it was the dumbest disguise he had ever seen. Thankfully X-Brawn had imagination but no taste, he and Prowl were in vehicle mode but covered in goofy looking paint jobs.

Meanwhile the Predacons are curious as to why Sideburn is into red sport cars. Sideburn then tells a woeful tale when he was a classic blue sports car and how he met a classic red sports car, but after a tragic accident Sideburn was left all alone. Now the Predacons are all feeling sorry for him, including the part when Sideburn was just a tricycle and how he met a red tricycle. Of course Skybite reminds them that Sideburn was from Cybertron and was never a classic blue sports car or a tricycle.

Optimus finally arrives and, even though Sideburn tried to warn him, is captured in Energon ropes. Outside, Prowl and X-Brawn arrive and witness Megatron arriving. Thankfully he doesn't notice them and goes inside the building. Inside, Skybite hands over Optimus in which Megatron uses this moment to use the helpless Autobot leader as a punching bag. (that's low, even for you Megatron!!)

Outside Prowl and X-Brawn needed a plan to help their brother and leader. They spot Koji and contact him through his phone. Prowl asks him to switch on the magnectic machine so he could get into the building unnoticed. As the machine lifts him into the air the Predacons all agree that Prowl was one ugly car. As Prowl lands on the convyer belt he transforms and blast the machine which powered the Energon ropes freeing Optimus and Sideburn. The Spychangers suddenly show up and Optimus and Sideburn decide that it's time for payback. After defeating the Predacons Sideburn apoligises and said he'll never chase a red sports car again. Sadly the moment he promises this a red sports car wizzes by and he tails it scraming that he thinks his in love.

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' September 15th, 2001

'''Written by:''' [[Richard Epcar]]

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
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==Notable quotes==
"Oh baby, you're looking fine, you know I can't resist a red sportscar!"''
:-- '''Side Burn''', admiring '''Megatron's''' ass.

''"Oh man, what a downer."''
:-- '''Side Burn''', realizing the sportscar he's been admiring is actually '''Megatron''' in disguise.

''"Sometimes you're as stubborn as a [[Packbot]]!"''
:-- '''X-Brawn''', on '''Side Burn'''

''"I know it's not right to seek revenge. Think we should just turn the other fender, maybe cut 'em a break?"'' 
''"Let's teach these creeps a lesson they won't forget!"'' 
''"Works for me!"''
:-- '''Side Burn''' and '''Optimus Prime'''

==Other notes==
===Animation and/or technical glitches===

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===
* Slapper mentions [[Vehicon|Vehicon drones]] in this episode.

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Side Burn's name is incorrectly spelled as one word in the episode title.
* The red car Side Burn chases at the end of the episode has a license plate 97-99.

==External links==
* [http://www.ridforever.info/transformers-transcripts/rid-episode-07-sideburns-obsession.php Sideburn's Obsession transcript on RiDForever.info]

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Nightscream (BM)

2008-05-08T22:55:07Z

Spriteless: It's funny because it's an out of universe reference. Or might be if I didn't have to explain the joke. <_<

{{picsneeded|Technorganic bat mode}}
{{disambig3|Nightscream}}

:''Nightscream is a [[Maximal]] from the [[Beast Machines]] era of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Nightscreambm.jpg|thumb|right|250px|I'd hit that…with a [[brick]].]]
When armies of [[Vehicon]]s conquered [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], young '''Nightscream''' survived alone in the darkness below the surface of the planet. This trauma influences much of his behavior. He's always on the defensive. Paranoid. Rude. Distrusting. Confrontational. But really, he's just a troubled kid, and he's been through a lot. Inside, he's got a good heart. He's just got to learn to stop fighting friends and enemies alike.

Or it's also possible he's just your typical angsty teenage emo jerk.

Regardless, he seems to have found a kindred spirit in the wild [[Savage/Noble]] creature.

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
====''Beast Machines''====
''Voice Actor:'' [[Alessandro Juliani]] (US), [[Nobutoshi Canna]] (Japan)

When the Vehicons and their virus struck, Nightscream ran and panicked like many Maximals. He fell down a hole during the attack, and everything went dark. Though he would not recall the details later, somehow he wandered into a cave bearing the [[fossils]] of a strange, gigantic bat-creature, and his internal DNA scanners used them to reformat him an organic beast form and save him, at least temporarily, from the virus. Nightscream's mental state at this point is unknown, but he seems to have spent the next period hiding and feeding off a strange fruit tree he found growing below the planet's surface. Eventually, Optimus Primal and company arrived and, distrustful, he began to spy on their activities. When they spotted and pursued him, the ensuing confrontation ended up with his food source destroyed and his body reformatted to be [[technorganic]] like the other Maximals. He rather reluctantly agreed to join them, but continued to generally mope around and cop an annoying [[Darth Vader | Anakin-esque]] attitude with everyone.

In the course of events, Nightscream met and befriended Savage/Noble, whom he believed to be a fellow survivor of Megatron's attack. Thinking he'd found a kindred spirit, he dedicated himself to helping the wolf in dragon's clothing until it was revealed that his new friend was really Megatron all along. Ouch. Despite this, when Megatron's [[spark]] separated from the Savage/Noble body, the dog-like beast that remained seemed to retain its attachment to the boy and followed him about like a big, ugly puppy. Then Megatron killed his puppy. (Sucks to be Nightscream), and the enraged Maximal unleashed Mary-Sue-level sonic powers on Megatron in retaliation, setting the stage for the final act of the war for the sparks. In the end, Nightscream and the other Maximals stopped Megatron's forces and reformatted the planet. And everyone rejoiced. Yay.

====''Universe: The Wreckers'' comics====

==Toys==
===Beast Machines===
*'''Nightscream''' (Ultra, 2000)

*'''Nightscream''' (Happy Meal toy, 2000)

===Beast Wars Returns===
*'''Nightscream''' (Ultra, 2005)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''BR-09'''

== Trivia ==
Story editor Bob Skir originally wanted the character of Nightscream to be a young female Transformer, patterned after the girl "Newt" from the movie ''Aliens''. When the Powers that Be nixed that, he instead pattered the character after the rebellious young John Conner in ''Terminator 2: Judgment Day''. In hindsight, maybe that wasn't the best idea...

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Nightscream/nightscream.htm Nightscream at TFU.info]

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Function

2008-05-02T02:39:22Z

Spriteless: Put function in the functions cat

One of the recurring elements of [[bio|toy bios]] is the characters' '''function'''. Most [[franchise]]s from Generation 1 and onward have included a "function" listing at the top of the bio. ''Armada'' was the first to not include it as part of the character's description.

Typical functions include:
* [[Brawn|Demolitions]]
* [[Grapple|Architect]]
* [[Perceptor (G1)|Scientist]]
* [[Tracks (G1)|Warrior]]
* [[Submarauder|Undersea Warfare]]
* [[Bludgeon (G1)|Electric Warrior]]
* [[Thundercracker|Rebel Warrior]]
* [[Sky-Byte|Shark]]

==See also==
*[[Air Commander]]
*[[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]
*[[Decepticon leader]]
*[[Emperor of Destruction]]

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Talk:Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)

2008-04-30T07:15:29Z

Spriteless: /* Beast Era */ I like cartoons

==Character list==

Should we add one, now that Roddy's been confirmed, (complete with twisty tache)

I think we should, since the story seems that it will revolve around Cliffjumper. Rodimus is confirmed so is 'Jumper so I think we should. Anyone else think we should?[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

==Separate Continuity?==
So Siph brought it up and Steve-o and I talked about it for a bit... Anyway, how are we going to treat the characters from BotCon 2008? From what we know about the set, it's clearly just G1-but-evil, so I don't think it's different enough to pass off as a separate continuity family. On the other hand, it'd be cleaner to give them their own pages. Meanwhile, pages like Optimus Prime's are long enough that even his fiction sections need to begin being split off anyway.

What I think we should do, at the moment, is treat Mirror Optimus Prime as a split from G1 Prime's page. As.... [[Optimus Prime (G1 mirror)]], maybe? Also, uh, create some [[Optimus Prime (G1 cartoon)]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1 Marvel)]] pages and the like. Akin to Wikipedia, Optimus Prime's main page should have abbreviated versions of these sections which link to the full versions on separate pages. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:38, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not so sure I'm up for splitting the pages around. True, some like Optimus and Megatron are quite large, but some of them are also ''quite'' small. I just don't think that we should split up just because a page is getting large. We've discussed that kinda idea at Wookieepedia before, and we concluded that it would just be easier to keep it all at one page. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:45, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm also against splitting up large pages of main characters, since keeping it all in one page would help readers get the full history of the character (well as much as we've written) from the various continuities. Easier for editing too, if one doesn't need to keep track of two different fictional versions of the same character on two different pages (three if you also have to add a summerised version on the main Optimus Prime (G1) page).
::As for Mirror Prime... how about we just call him Optimus Prime (Mirror)? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Technically, he shouldn't be a new page, so long as he's clearly a G1 Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:39, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps giving them [[Timelines]] parentheticals would be valid?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Look who all's in the set... Prime, Jazz, Bumblebee, Grimlock and Starscream. Aren't all those pages already hideously long? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
And oh yeah. I'm against splitting up the Fiction sections. Toys into their own, yes. But I'm leery of splitting up Fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:07, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:So in ten years, when Optimus Prime's page is three times as long, that'll be okay? That sounds a little ridiculous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:13, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

:'''About fiction sections:''' What Walky and I discussed perhaps hasn't been clearly explained here: We're not saying to take the fiction section out entirely like we did with "toys". The idea is that in the case of very long articles (like Prime's), we can take, say, the cartoon subsection, create a new article out of it, and in its spot on the main Prime page just have a summary of the high points with a note "see this other article for all the details". (Of course, his cartoon subsection right now isn't especially complete anyway. He appears in nearly every episode of Seasons 1-2 but most of those events aren't mentioned.) Important stuff in the main article, excruciating detail in a separate article. Perhaps it's not quite time for that yet, but eventually it will be. Like Walky says, G1 Prime's fiction section is just going to get longer and longer.
:'''About Shattered Glass guys:''' If we treat them as distinct characters with their own pages, I think "Shattered Glass" is the appropriate parenthetical. Definitely not "mirror" since that word doesn't seem to be in the description of the set. There should definitely be linking between the Shattered and normal articles, though. Perhaps even with the normal guys having a Timeslines: Shattered Glass subsection that says "see this other article for his evil counterpart".
:--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 03:47, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm...I suppose that's okay, if we keep the main highlights in the main article. But I also agree that now is not the time. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 03:53, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Then when? Optimus Prime's page, even sans toys, is already twice as long than is recommended. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::Considering that we treat Universe Obsidian, Tankor, and Inferno as distinct characters with their own pages despite just being alternate timeline variations, then clearly the Shattered Glass guys should get their own articles. "Shattered Glass" would be my choice of parenthetical as well. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:58, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Frankly, I've been against splitting those dudes up for some time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:59, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

::I vote for these dudes getting their own pages. If they're "mirror" versions, they have completely different personalities and hence would need completely new profile writeups as well as fiction sections. If you wanna compare Tankor and Obsidian, they were basically the same dudes; they'd just made different choices along the line. This doesn't seem to be the case for the Shattered Glass guys. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:25, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, PacifistPrime here.

I just thought I'd chip in with my two cents, since I created these first ''Shattered Glass'' articles last night. I think we should keep the articles for these characters separate, at least for now. Although yes, obviously, it does '''''appear''''' to be the case that ''Shattered Glass'' is just "Mirror G1" (as it were), we don't actually '''''know''''' that yet. I mean, to be fair, I think some of us are gettng ahead of ourselves here. Until we know otherwise for sure, I'm of the opinion that we should treat these as separate characters (just like the alternate universe [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)|Optimus Prime from the ''Armada'' comic]]. I mean, if ''he'' gets his own page, then I think these guys should.

And I certainly think "Shattered Glass" is the preferable paranthetical, since there is (as yet) no other official term like "mirror" being used in relation to the set. Furthermore, it fits with our general naming convention of using the title of the character's native franchise/continuity, e.g. [[Thrust (Armada)]], [[Tankor (BM)]], [[Grimlock (Animated)]] etc..

Cheers,
--[[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]]
:Hey, PP, could you sign your posts with four tildes, so we can see what time you made the post? It helps for keeping track of discussions.
:On-topic, we're staring at the fundamental problem of how "different" a continuity needs to be, to no longer be G1. The most inclusive definition seems to be, "If all the robot characters have the same names and approximate roles as characters from the G1 toyline, it's a G1 continuity. Unless it's the Movie." Time period is irrelevant, human characters are irrelevant, when and how the robots came to Earth is irrelevant, altmodes are irrelevant, the origin of the TF species is irrelevant . . . et cetera.
:But, if want to include Shattered Glass as a G1 continuity, we need to drop "approximate role". Unless "who's the good guy and who's the bad guy" is not considered to be part of "role". [[User:JW|JW]] 21:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, you gotta remember that part of the reason for the continuity family splits here on the Wiki is simple bookkeeping and convenience. The Movie has a big G1 influence; it could also be considered a ground-up reinvention; but either way, it heralded an unprecedented avalanche of new toys, characters and fiction. That alone was a good reason to separate it. By contrast, I don't think Shattered Glass will go much further than a story or two, some bios, and a small set of toys. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
:::''"part of the reason for the continuity family splits here on the Wiki is simple bookkeeping and convenience"''
:::Granted. However, part of our current problem is that a lot of little things have added up to become a big thing. If OP (G1) was just the Marvel comic and the original cartoon, he'd be more manageable, but a bajillion little G1-ish bits have been added on to him. We can keep adding little bits on to him, or we can say that some of them are different enough to warrant a new page. The universe in which he's a murderous fiend fits that bill.
:::(Our criteria can't sensibly be ''size,'' after all.) [[User:JW|JW]] 22:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh, yeah, I'm all for giving the ''characters'' their own pages -- they share names and bodies, but they have new personalities. But it sounded like some people are wondering if SG should be a whole different continuity family, which IMO is overkill -- I think it can easily fit under the G1 umbrella. I might have just misunderstood what someone was saying, too. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Based on what is known so far about the set/story, I have the following positions:
#Shattered Glass should be placed under the G1 umbrella. Yes, Prime is now evil, but he's still the leader, etc.. His role isn't ''that'' different.
#Each Shattered Glass character should have their own character page, with links back and forth to their "regular" character. Despite thinking of Shattered Glass as being G1, I think that the character differences ''in concert with'' bookkeeping/convenience factors make splitting the best option. I don't want my Bumblebee fiction section to be full of all this stuff about "normal" Bumblebees and then in the middle there's this random evil Bumblebee who has no fictional connections to all the surrounding material.
--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
: I suppose that works. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:19, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
:Steve-o, I'm curious as to what you mean by "fictional connection". I mean, is the fictional connection between OP (IDW) and OP (Marvel) stronger than the fictional connection between OP (Marvel) and OP (Shattered Glass)?
:(Of course, all this essentially gets back to the problem that OP (Marvel) and OP (Sunbow) are from two different universes, but were represented by the same toy(s), and came into being at the same time, so they're "the same guy". I can't find a way of disagreeing with that which doesn't lead to more problems than it solves. Like, those G1 toys who didn't appear in fiction {{m-}} are they from the Marvel universe, the Sunbow universe, or somewhere else entirely? Bleh!) [[User:JW|JW]] 17:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
::"Connection" isn't really the right word, but it was the best I could come up with at the time. "Similarity", maybe? I mean, the Bumblebee fiction would read like...
::{{quote|'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe.}}
::And that's just not a sensible page. Makes way more sense to split him out.
::--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
Heya, PacifistPrime here again. I agree that the characters should have separate pages (I mean, if [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)]] gets a page, then ''surely''...!), but I'm unclear about the designation of the overall continuity/universe. Are we simply talking about category tags here, or something else? From a metafictional, rather than organisational, point of view I've always preferred (somewhat controversially) to have a more conservative view of G1 than the "everything but the movie" approach favoured here. In my view, broad issues of toy-accurate altmodes and basic storyline-premise/character mythology are pretty important, which is why I've always argued that the IDWverse and the MovieVerse are each different enough to all prior versions of G1 (even if they're not ''equally'' dissimilar) that they should '''both''' be considered to fall within ''or'' without the G1 continuity family. And, in developments since I originally aired this opinion, I'd say the same now goes for ''Transformers Animated'', which is also evidently a deeply G1-ish universe.

Indeed, now that we've got Animated in the mix, I'd argue that it's become even ''less'' defensible that the IDWverse is being categorised here as part of G1 when these other two aren't. Although it takes some cues from the MovieVerse, granted, I think it's a pretty hard sell to deem Animated as being ''all that much more'' radically different from G1 than the IDWverse, given that both use almost exclusively G1 characters with non-G1-toy accurate designs and drastically different basic storyline premises, human characters and background mythos. Apart from a debatable organisational imperative to avoid splitting articles, I increasingly fail to see a reasonable rational for lumping IDW in with G1 when Animated and Movie are not.

But I digress. As far as ''Shattered Glass'' ' category is concerned, I think it should be regarded as a separate [[continuity]] but probably not belonging to a separate [[continuity family]], ''at least until we know more''.

Also, aren't we jumping the gun a bit with the Timelines categorisation? Sure, it's extremely probable that it'll get that designation, but shouldn't we wait until this is official?

Cheers, [[User:PacifistPrime|PacifistPrime]][[User:PacifistPrime|PP]] 07:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

:<nowiki>*dittos everything PP posted about IDW*</nowiki> - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

So, now the convention's happened, and the comic's out. Shattered Glass seems to be basically a whacked-out anti-G1, but it's ''also'' completely different from anything else we've ever seen, 'cause all of Cliffjumper's energy traces and even their [[Spark|Sparks]] are polarity-reversed. Also, transformation seems to have been a relatively recent invention, but that's not as different as the whole Spark/Ember thing. But the Ember thing points to something apart from the "standard" differences between, say, the RiD and the Animated continuities. How do we handle that? [[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 00:43, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

==Bring in the funny==
Since this is all about evil twins, I submit that the article is in desperate need of a joke about how they will mainly be identified by their goatees. Anyone else?

(Clearly, however, it would have to be written so that its status as a '''joke''' is clear, lest anyone be misled) [[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 01:09, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Just remember that Omega Trion would have no facial hair, unlike his good universe counterpart. --[[User:Blue Spider|Blue Spider]] 05:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== The comic ==

...oh God, there's comic preview pages on the Botcon site.

The whole thing is drawn to look like a G2 homage. Linestyle, coloring, ''everything''.

It even has a ''huge'' sprinkling of Furmanisms.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:Is this supposed to be April Fools? I'm not seeing anything on the Botcon page. All I see is a drawing of a robotic hand on the TF Club main page. They say the comic previews will go up on the 3rd. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind, found em. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-comic-preview-and-more-guests-announced-this-week-164541/] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Not linked on the main site, but ''hosted'' there. These brought tears to my eyes. They're just made of ''100% pure win''.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 05:45, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is unmitigated awesome. I love it. They've even got the Double Pretender spider in the background on the second page, wot? The good versions of the evil Botcon characters are pure hilarity.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 06:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Is that... is that Shattered Glass Cicadacon? Dude!
::::Edit: No... no, wait, I'm an idiot. Still bucket-loads of awesome, though - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh lordy, they're trying to kill the Wiki.

:::::We've got:
:::::*[[Astrotrain (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Astro-Hook (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Astro-Line (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Astro-Sinker (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Bug Bite (Shattered Glass)]]
:::::*[[Buzzclaw (Shattered Glass)]] or [[Dirge (Shattered Glass)]] (or [[Dirge (Shattered Glass Insecticon)]])
:::::*[[Buzzsaw (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Deathsaurus (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Dirge (Shattered Glass)]] (or [[Dirge (Shattered Glass Seeker)]]) or [[Thrust (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Overbite (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Seawing (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Snaptrap (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Tentakil (Timelines)]]
:::::*[[Thundercracker (Timelines)]]

:::::If they use both Dirges, I will kill somebody. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:27, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::To keep things from cluttering up the wiki, I'd suggest a general [[Mayhem Suppression Squad]] page for those guys, seeing as they're only in one panel. Point out that they're Good-Alternate-Universe-Doppelgangers of their 'real' versions, link to said 'real' versions from there and call it a day. [[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 19:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Seems to be the most sensible approach. Should have a sizable trivia section explaining that every one of these was a convention exclusive.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
The whole "I, Grimlock, wot?" thing transcends cool into sublime. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:25, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh my christ. They actually made this universe hilariously awesome. Way to fucking go, Savage & Co. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:If you ask me, this makes ''all'' the difference. All the goofiness of the concept of this universe, all the silly looks of the figures, all of this is vindicated in this moment with this the most sublime of convention comics. I'll definitely be keeping an eye out for the Diamond edition of this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:21, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::...well crud. It was just Sipher pulling one over on us. It could have been beautiful. I want blood, Sipher! Blooooood!--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I KNEW it was too well-written to be a Botcon comic! --[[User:74.57.3.251|74.57.3.251]] 17:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC) ([[User:Detour|Detour at work]])
I dub this "Shattered Expectations"... though I don't think we're DONE with this goofyass take at all. At least, not if we have any say about it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:...So, horribly-dashed expectations of awesomeness aside, how Official are the April Fools' Pages? Does Shattered Glass Jazz get a "Shattered Expectations" sub-heading along the lines of the Marvel Comics Continuity/Animated Continuity divide where it says "He was totally G2ishly Evil Mr. T"? [[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 18:36, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think we ought to do exactly that. Jazz talking like Mr. T is too much fun to go unchronicled.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:53, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Depending on how utterly shit the finished comic is, I hereby present the possibility of forgoing "Shattered Expectations" (which could mean something ''better'' than what you expected) and using "Shattered Hopes" (which means "Man, this is shit"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 19:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:These definately need to be in there. Especially since Fun Pub now plans to go back to them at some point since the fandom that they thought would hate it actually loved these better than just about everything else they've ever done. :) Not sure the best way to tag them though.[[User:71.235.142.128|71.235.142.128]] 19:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, what's Wiki policy on images from Shattered Expectations? Except for the APRIL FOOL'S! page, they aren't actually officially hosted anywhere public, even though they were intentionally uploaded and kept incredibly-obviously-easily-discovered-secret with the intention of having someone figuring out how to incredibly-obviously easily discover and share them.{{unsigned|Omnibus}}
:Good question. Sipher, can we consider these to be officially released material (and thus fair game for comic panels)?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it should be all good. I mean, it was MEANT to be spread... like your mom. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:56, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to go ahead and ask if anyone want's to put up what the preview pages (posted '''today''') on the fiction, or just leave it with the joke Fun Pub pulled over on us? I'm running tight on time right now and if no one has seen the 3 pages, it depicts the real Cliffjumper, going through some kinda rift on Earth and ending up on a Cybertron that is all kinds of backwards for him. Not to mention that Hot Rod looks awesome in Decepticon colors ''and'' a freaking goatte. Just wanna throw this out there because I'm not the best when it comes to writing some of this stuff. Whadda think?[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:...if Hot Rod with a Spock-style Van Dyke is the bagged exclusive for the convention, I may have to sell my blood to be able to afford him.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:34, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Continuity family ==

I think we can safely say that it's no longer "unknown" how Shattered Glass will fit into existing continuity families. We've got Cliffjumper arriving immediately after his plot in the Fan Club comic. It's pretty plainly in the world-hopping Timelines continuity family now.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:27, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:Timelines isn't a "continuity family" at all. It's an over-arching name that includes things from multiple continuity families. [[Landquake (Timelines)]] is from the Unicron Trilogy. [[Games of Deception]] is a Timelines story that takes place in G1. Etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::Kil is right. Timelines is not a continuity family, but a bunch of loosely-affiliated stories that take place across several continuity families. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Meanwhile, I'm inclined to believe it's part of G1, since everyone so far (even the hi-then-dies) is a direct analog to a G1 character. The only exception is the April Fools version with Cybertron Astrotrain and his Mini-Cons, and even then, that's just a G1 analog dude. If Hot Shot or Tidal Wave show up or something, I'll change my mind, but until then...--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:30, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We should call it the "1G" continuity. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::The 3-page preview actually makes it seem like this is the classics universe, and something caused the autobots to become evil and the decepticons to become good--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 20:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm not really getting that impression at all. Cliffjumper had a counterpart in this universe, and that counterpart is either dead or working for the Decepticons. Ruckus seemed to recognize him.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:00, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::''"I'm inclined to believe it's part of G1"'' I dunno, with Razorclaw in there, this timeline has ''prominent'' Mini-Cons. (No doubt creations of the heroic planet-regurgitating Unicron.) I'd say it's a whole new beast. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Classics has Mini-Cons. (And is Razorclaw even a Mini-con? They refer to him as a Predacon, shrunk down. Isn't he supposed to be G1 Razorclaw?) -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 21:33, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Razorclaw is only the victim of a shrink-ray in Shattered Expectations. We don't know what he is in the real comic.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

==Beast Era==
Oh My God. What Next?; [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] wage their battles to destroy the evil forces of the [[Maximal]]s?
:The maximals were already [[Maximal Torture Chamber|scary oppressive]], I rooted for the freedom fighters. Except for the crazy cannibal bug one. [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 07:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Garbage In, Garbage Out

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[[Image:Wreck-Gar-Ani.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The [[Wikipedia:Raging Bender|Gender Bender]]!]]

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'''AllSpark energy turns a junk pile into a sentient robot who tries to help the Autobots, but ends up doing more harm than good.'''

==Summary==
Garbage is piling up all over [[Detroit]], as the trash-bots are malfunctioning and [[Sumdac Systems]] CEO Porter C. Powell refuses to repair them until the city and he can come to an agreement on payment. In Powell's office, a technician demonstrates a new form of the nanobots that [[Transform and Roll Out|caused big problems a while back]], designed this time to break garbage down to its component molecules, quickly and cheaply solving the garbage problem (while allowing Powell to charge the city a hefty fee).

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s are trying to patch up their still-damaged reputation by helping pile garbage into scows. Ratchet ends up getting into a shouting match with an old man whose car ended up under a garbage mound, resulting in the car being dumped in the river and the two old grouches almost coming to blows. Captain Fanzone arrives to break up the scene and remarks that Ratchet needs to work on his "people skills". Prime agrees and assigns Bumblebee and Sari to try and help out Ratchet while they work more on the garbage problem. Ratchet is not happy with this.

Just before the Autobots depart, though, [[Sari Sumdac's key|Sari's key]] glows, but she quickly disregards this...and misses the emergence of a junk-robot from the scow, brought to life by an [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]] shard. The confused machine tries to figure out his identity using the scraps around him, but is unsatisfied with the results. Spying a passing blimp with a sign for the Detroit police department with the slogan "We're Here to Help", the robot happily goes about trying to find some police for some help with his identity.

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==Stats==

*'''Written by:'''
*'''Directed by:'''
*'''Original airdate:''' May 3, 2008

===Featured characters===


(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)''
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==Quotes==

==Other notes==
* This episode was first shown on Saturday, April 26th, at [[BotCon 2008]]. The version aired still had the time-code running in the top-left corner.

===Continuity errors===

===Transformers references===
* Wreck-Gar interprets Lugnut's incoming rocket punch as an invitation to a high-five, and he happily delivers the [[universal greeting]].
* Wreck-Gar's shifting allegiance and red optics as he faces down Ratchet on the garbage scow appear to be callbacks to the [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|original Wreck-Gar]], who appeared to be an enemy to the Autobots at first, complete with red optics.
* The ''Animated'' incarnations of Spike and Carly, who made a cameo in [[Transform and Roll Out!|the pilot episode]], re-appear with speaking lines and even get their names called out.

===Real-world references===
* Wreck-Gar's "I ''dare'' to be stupid!" is, of course, a reference to one of [["Weird Al" Yankovic]]'s most well-known songs, "Dare to be Stupid", a Devo "style parody" that appeared on the soundtrack to [[The Transformers: The Movie|the original animated movie]].

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* Aside from Wreck-Gar, Weird Al also voiced the Sumdac Systems technician who explains the new version of the nanobots to Porter C. Powell.

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2008-04-29T04:04:25Z

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==Archives==
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive1|Archive1]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive2|Archive2]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive3|Archive3]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive4|Archive4]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive5|Archive5]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive6|Archive6]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive7|Archive7]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive8|Archive8]]

== Continuity / Timeline ==
I'm trying to make some sense of how the various major continuities are handled, overview-wise. Some have their own continuity page; IDW's just got a timeline, with overview stuff shoved here and there among the individual miniseries. Some don't have anything. Some, like the G1 cartoon, are not much more than lists. The ones that exist tend to be hard to find, aren't categorized uniformly, etc... is there a master format for this stuff?{{unsigned|Repowers|12:15, 29 October 2007}}
:There is no master format for continuity pages. Please feel free to make one! It would be a good thing to have! --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:55, show30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: You know, I think it would be hot if once we got more timelines up, we began putting Chronology links to the timetable on the story pages. Several Dreamwave comic pages have them, and I think IDW comics should too, since IDW really isn't telling the story in a linear fashion.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 09:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Sounds like a good idea. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 13:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Would it make sense to have an overview writeup at the start of each timeline, a few paragraphs or so? Or should "continuity" be a separate page? Where should a chronological list of issues go -- publisher's page, continuity page, timeline page? That's not such a problem with, say, Marvel G1, but Dreamwave's a little messier, IDW's all over the place, and gods help you if you want to sort out the mess that is Marvel UK. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 14:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:: A continuity page should have the following (in my opinion):
:: * A one-paragraph description of the continuity, not more than a few sentences long.
:: * A list of what media belongs to this continuity (which can include some stuff that's vaguely contradictory, but should exclude stuff that's way out there, like Earthforce relative to G1 comics). This can be sorted by publication order, or internal chronology, but if there's a major difference between the two, it should be spelled out.
:: * An overall description of the main events in that continuity, focusing on the events actually chronicled (not the distant past). In particular, for most continuities, changes in the leadership of either side, the changing status (living/dead, present/absent, duplicated by Straxus/encoded on a floppy, etc.)of the big two leaders (usually Optimus Prime and Megatron), any events involving Unicron or Primus, and introductions of major teams or groups of characters (Headmasters, Fuzors) should be in the summary.
:: * If necessary, a timeline, which may end up integrated with one of the above parts.
:: * Pointers to important and closely-related continuities (again, such as Earthforce), discussion of divergences, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::All that sounds pretty good, though I wouldn't get too hung up on following individual characters too much, even the leaders. In Marvel G1, at least, they changed over on a pretty regular basis.
:::On a related note... this and a lot of other overview-type pages are really lost in the shuffle. They should be top-level pages, with everything branching off of them and linking back to them, but instead they're buried and nothing links to them. You start off reading, say, the article on [[Spotlight: Soundwave]]. Where do you go from there to find out more? The IDW issues category? That's the only link out of that page. If you're a newcomer, or even someone with an imperfect memory, how do you know what comes next? Either the individual issue pages need to link to the timeline and continuity pages, or the category page does, or... something.
:::Taking care of it on the category page might be simplest, like what's on the Category:Marvel US issues page. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Yes, the site is sadly lacking in both "uplinks" and "sidelinks" for the media; links from a TV episode to the TV series, links from an issue of a comic to an overview of the comic, links from one comic to the next comic in that series, etc. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: I'm still poking around and figuring out what's been done and what's needed; it might take a while to figure out how to start cleaning things up. It looks like we've got some random timelines started (still need ones for the Beast era and a few others), as well as continuity pages for some but not all of the major storylines, so I suppose each major continuity should have both kinds of pages. I wonder if there's a way to use a category or subcategory to get individual episode/issue pages to quickly link back to the main overview pages?... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: JW, we do have that comics nav template, though I like the comic infobox on wikipedia more. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Ah... http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Comicnav ...so we do. Very useful. Now we just gotta propagate it over a few hundred comic issue... :S -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::: Also, the nav setup only can link up one level. So Infiltration #2 can link up to the main Infiltration page, but not to the IDW continuity page above that. Would putting a variant of this template on the main page for each miniseries, linking up to the continuity page, work instead? Then you're never more than two clicks away from an individual issue to the continuity overview. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::: That, or somehow add it to the main comicnav template, perhaps in small letters above the series name. I don't wanna step on anyone's toes though. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::: That'd make the most sense, to add a "Continuity" level to the template, or alternately a lower-end "Mini-series" option. But hell if I can make sense out of how these things work... that might be a rainy day project, figuring that out. :\ -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

==Image Copyrights==
I asked awhile ago, and nobody seemed to know, so...

I've always been under the impression that images {{c}} someone else should be credited ''not'' just with a note that they belong to someone else, but a ''year'', for much the same reasons we identify ''who'' the image belongs to rather than simply saying 'we don't own it, but it's fair use.' The more info we provide, the more 'seriously' the copyright is being taken. if we wipe our ass with an unadorned, <nowiki>{{fairuse}}</nowiki> clearly we don't think the holder of the copyright is ''important''... or something.

I have a script I've been poking at. It can run through every image detail page on the wiki through a regular expression and pick out which images don't have copyright owners (Hasbro or Takara-- you're supposed to ID which even if you're using <nowiki>{{hastak}}</nowiki>,) which don't have dates, and which don't have any sort of copyright notice at all. (A significant chunk of our images have no notices that they belong to someone else.) It could also drop the offending images into categories to be sorted out and properly labeled. (I imagine I'd give it Steve-o and let it do so logged in as the bot to avoid the update-floods.)

...is anyone interested in this? Does it seem like a good idea? Terrible idea? ...Bueler? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

==Cartoon Episode Format Mark II==
Picking up an old thread here... per some changes I just finished making to all the Beast Era episode pages, IMO:
* The one-line summary should be bold. It's the single most important thing on the page; your eye should leap right to it.
* It should be the very first thing on the page, above the nav box (barring temporary templates like "pics needed".)
* It should be free of links. They're distracting and ugly, and it's kinda absurd to think someone's going to click right off the summary to see what a "Maximal" or whatever is. Links can easily be integrated into the body of the plot summary.

I'd also rather see Quotes before Stats, to keep all the in-universe stuff together before moving to out-universe stuff like writers, air dates, commentary, order of appearance, etc. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with all of this, except for the one-line summary being above the nav box. Pure personal preference, though, rather than any sort of functionality - I just don't like the way it looks. In fact, I think putting it below the nav box actually ''helps'' its notice-ability - it "frames" the summary quite nicely between the nav box and the contents box. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 00:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::Heh, I see it the opposite way -- having the summary first provides a frame for the inevitable white space that accompanies the nav box. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

::Picking up on what I said above, putting the stats section down below not just the extended summary but now below the quotes section as well is something I strongly oppose. Episode writers do not get the recognition they deserve. We should not be burying their credits like that. That section belongs ''above'' the summary. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 03:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
:::I do hear what you're saying, but honestly I'm less bothered by the recognition factor than by the inconsistency with comic format, where all that junk ''is'' up front (though it often looks pretty bad, IMO.) If it were ''just'' the writer credit, I'd be okay with having it up front (though I ain't gonna be the one who goes back through 78 Beast Era episode pages to change it!) But then you get into the odd condition of having that one bit of info up front, while the rest of the standard information external to the episode's events is much deeper in the article. Having much more stuff up front than that makes for a messy, unattractive, and harder-to-read format compared to having it all bundled in the Stats section... IMO, natch.
:::"If "recognition" is the concern, heck, think of the animators who slaved a lot more than the writers ever did to bring each episode to life. They get no credits at all. Neither does Robert Buckley, who provided music for both Beast series. The list goes on and on. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
::::The information I am suggesting be up front would only be three lines (Written by, Directed by, air date), which I don't think would be very intrusive at all. To my mind, before the summary is the only logical place for this information to be presented, as episodes themselves generally present those two credits up front, and air date is a known factor when watching an episode when it debuts.
::::On the issue of recognition, you make a good point, however my concern is a bit different. Robert Buckley may not get a lot of recognition from the fandom for the music of Beast Wars, but it's not like they give someone ''else'' all the credit on that score, pun semi-intended. But the writers? The fandom often enough acts as if Forward and DiTillio wrote every single word of Beast Wars, and Skir (alone, of course, as the Isenberg Uncertainty Principle remains in full effect) the same for Beast Machines. The story editors are obviously the most important writers, but they didn't do it all on their own.
::::Burying the names of episode writers down below the summary and quotes sections just doesn't sit right with me, is all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:46, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Hrm... combined with Steve-o's consistency argument, I suppose I could go along with doing it this way, with them all tucked together and separate from/below the one line summary. Written By and Air Date are in one little combined pair of lines now, an easy cut-n-paste to move up front. I don't think anyone's added Director credits to any of the episodes, by the by.
:::::As I said, I'm in no great hurry to do it myself -- my main concern was that the Beast Era show pages had drifted into all sorts of different arrangements, some of which looked pretty sloppy. For better or worse, they're all uniform now. If we're gonna change the layout, let's work on getting one sample page ''just right'', then we can worry about propagating it. To that end, have a look at "[[Chain of Command]]", see if it clicks for you. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking if we could merge the ''Japanese title'' into the '''''Stats''' section'' because it seems to fit the section better. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:14, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't have much of a preference, personally, about how to organize these things. However, I do feel pretty strongly that it should be more or less the same for both cartoon episodes and comic issues. Having different organizational schemes for different sorts of fiction doesn't serve much purpose, and makes things harder to get used to. (On the other hand, I ''also'' feel strongly that all of our passages relating fictional events should be in the same tense regardless of if they happen to be on a character page or a story page, but apparently that makes me insane, so don't take my pleas for consistency too seriously.) --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 02:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

===Cartoon format mark II.5===
Did we ever make a decision on whether to place the quotes area before the stats section? Because the sheer majority of episode articles (including old ones recently converted to current standards) place the stats before the quotes, but I notice some of the latest Cybertron episode articles are placing the quotes before the stats, which is creating inconsistencies in layout. Bear in mind it will create less work for us if we just leave things the way they are, with stats before quotes. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

==Cartoon continuity headings==
Have we decided on a definative format for this yet? most of the pages with characters who appeared in Sunbow's G1 through to the japanese series (and maybe Beast Wars as well) have quite different headings, and I recall we were worried about ''Transformers Animated'' causing problems with all the 'Animated continuity' headings on character pages. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:08, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think we had decided on using "cartoon" instead of "animated." So use "cartoon continuity," or for those who appear in more than one cartoon continuity, use "Generation 1 cartoon continuity," "Beast Wars cartoon continuity," etc. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:13, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
::Can we have Diagnostic Drone change all occurrences of "Animated continuity" to "Cartoon continuity"? That'll require some cleanup in the Animated articles, but there are far fewer of those than there are of G1 subjects that are currently mislabeled. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Section-title master list ==

I've made a sandbox for the purpose of assembling a [[User:Jackpot/Sandbox/Sections|master list of all section titles]], their relation to each other, and their proper wording/formatting. Please discuss; I've introduced some new ideas, and I'd love to see a consistent guide established. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:04, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:Wow, I think this really look nice and useful. ;D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 03:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== "First go here! Next go here." ==
I was thinking a bit about the various problems we've got around here -- stuff like incomplete image descriptions, orphaned articles, etc. There's really no one central place where a newcomer (or a regular who feels like doing something useful but doesn't know what) can go to find a quick list of things that need doing. The current help pages just send you to the list of articles in need of creation, which is kind of daunting, especially for a newcomer who has to learn a million standards and Wikia tags. Is there a more comprehensive way to point people in the direction of useful things they could be doing? Whatever it might be, it should include links to:
* Pages in need of creation
* Orphaned pages
* Stubs
* Pics needed
* Any current projects, like the Beast Wars one. Hell, I couldn't find that thing if my life depended on it.
...as well as a note about common problems: dead/missing storylinks, incomplete image descriptions, and whatever else. (Heck, who knows? Maybe it could even distract an IP person long enough to prevent them from screwing with captions.... ahh, who'm I kidding?} -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:51, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

:There are some of those things catalogued [[Special:Specialpages|here]], but I think making links to the most important of these categories, and placing them together in one easy-to-find link off the main page, would be best. Perhaps on the Help contents page, since it's linked right off the main page already, in the most logical location? I think that link is a bit small, for what it's worth. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 22:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
::One of the projects in the back of my head is a help-page/guide specifically breaking down the creation of character pages, plus the use of "common templates" for them (disambigs, stubs, notes). I'll see if I can scrounge up some time to rough-copy one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:56, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Other Maintenance Templates?==
I haven't had much time to do more "substantial" wiki edits lately, but I've been prepping for later with the charstub sub-categories. Fiction really isn't my bag... I mean, I know it in general, but not issue titles and numbers and bla bla. But I figure it's also nice to have the "really needs a lot of stuff" pages separated from the "just needs some stuff in one subsection" ones, especially once I can make a concentrated effort to update the toy sections of various pages. I've been thinking about other similar "needs maintenance" template/categories, but I thought I'd bring it up here since I'm not sure who else might make use of them... 
I've noticed quite a lot of pages missing storylinks. I'm not intending on going through a big wiki-wide hunt, but as I go through the stubs and other pages doing little maintenance and tweaks, well, I think I'd like to be able to mark pages I come across that are missing those links they should have. Picture and quote? Isaac Sumdac and/or Tutorbot, "I cannot believe I programmed you with such simplistic information!" (Idea courtesy of Trent Troop.) 
I'd swear there was another one, but right now, too tired to think of it and must sleep. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:53, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:Perhaps a tag for a page with too many damn redlinks for concepts that will never need articles?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think that will be neccessary, as it's a simple matter of removing the [[ and <nowiki>]]</nowiki>s. Storylinks, though, require some research. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I usually label such pages with <nowiki>{{stub|storylinks}}</nowiki>. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Trick is, often they're not really stubs, are they? the main info is there, there's just not a "where'd this happen?" link. And maybe it's the data-manager in me that says this, but I think it'd be a lot easier to have a common problem like lack of storylinks as a category all its own, all together for easy identification and maintenance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:11, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

== Disambiguation ==

We need a consensus on hiw we handle disambuigation in article titles. We've had some moving between [[Silverbolt (BW)]] and [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]], and [[Dirge (Timelines)]] and [[Dirge (Whatever the Botcon 05 set was)]] because there are two Silverbolts in BW and two Dirges in Timelines. However, since one of those Dirges and one of those Silverbolts are G1 characters, the (BW) and (Timelines) tags are fine for the other two. The tags are simply for keeping the articles separate; not for telling you what continuity they're in. Plus, (Timelines) is much easier to type than "(Botcon boxset name I can't remember)". --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 23:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:Somewhat related to the discussion at [[Talk:Starscream (Timelines)]]. My personal criteria is that a name used for two (or more) characters in the same toyline requires more specific disambiguation, regardless of the characters' origin, because readers shouldn't be expected to remember whether some character was already in another toyline. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::So... what should disambigs be?
:# Distinguished ''only'' when strictly necessary. "Silverbolt (BW)" is fine because, while there were 2 Silverbolt toys in the BW Toyline, the other one is actually Silverbolt (G1)- so only one entry is trying 'sits' in the (BW) disambig, and no more specific disambing is needed. Parenthetical disambigs should be the broadest possible category the article can sit in without conflicting with another article, (usually a continuity family or franchise.) Absolutely no 'bumping' of disambigs as a concession to aesthetics.
:# Distinguished on a logical basis. "Silverbolt (Fuzor)" because there are two Silverbolts in the BW toyline, and the article title should not allow for confusion between the two.
:# Providing continuty info. A hypothetical new character Roller in the 2008 Universe line would be "Roller (Classic)" not "Roller (Universe)"-- so that the article title doesn't mislead people into thinking he's part of the 2004 Universe continuity.
::My problem with #2 ''and'' #3 is that the diambig isn't supposed to convey that information. The first line of the article, right below the title does. It will say 'Silverbolt is a Fuzor in the Beast Wars continuity family...' or 'Roller is a Ultracon in the Classics portion of the Generation 1 continuity family.'
::We are currently usign method #1. I oppose a change to methods 2 or 3 for the following reasons:
:# The '''first line''' of the article already supplies the information that solutions 2 & 3 would seek to add- and does it ''better.''
:# Implementing 2 or 3 would make it harder for ''editors'' to know where article are sitting ("I know there was only one Silverbolt in BW, why is my link to Silverbolt (BW) broken?")
:# The purpose of the parenthetical disambigs is not to convey info- it is to keep articles with the same title from sitting in the same namespace. Attempting to make disambigs convey information actually ''adds ambiguity'', because it would force the the locations the articles sit in to become ''less'' standard.
::Let diambigs be disambigs. If we want to make continuity notes clearer or more prominent, we can look at revising our approach to '''them'''. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:41, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

::We already have [[Help:Disambiguation]] to more or less lay this out. (I've just made a couple small changes to it for clarification.) There is going to be no simple rule of thumb which leads to tbe best results in every case, so make the parenthetical as brief and clear as you can. Derik is correct that the purpose of the parenthetical is to give the articles different names so the database doesn't get confused. To help out editors when we make links, it is good for them to be short and easy to remember. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So, should we move [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] and [[Dirge (Decent into Evil)]] and the mirrorverse guys back to [[Silverbolt (BW)]], [[Dirge (Timelines)]] and [[mirrorverse guys (Timelines)]]? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:Wait to see if others have strong feelings/argument first. (We have a policy, but it's subject to conseunsus, remember? Also- I think I wrote most of that page so my point of view is unfairly over-represented there.) ''On review, no, apparently this is one policy page I '''didn't''' write. ...why can't I tell Steve-o's writing apart from my own? Scary. :~(
:Personally I say emphatically yes on Dirge, indifferent affirmative on Silverbolt, and wait and see on the Shattered Glass pages. We don't now where/if they fit in existing continuity. There's no point in movinf them a half-dozen times while arguing about unknowables. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Pages about fan sites ==

Is there a policy about this? I wanted to add TF Pulp, but I didn't see any other TF sites on here at all, so I figured I should ask first.
{{unsigned|Might Gaine|2008-02-27T14:04:54}}

:We don't give unofficial sites their own articles. You can link to information on TF Pulp from appropriate pre-existing articles, though. That sort of thing enhances the wiki by allowing people to find further information on the topics they are reading about. Just put it into an "External links" section right before the categories. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:18, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

==Cartoon episode title cards redundancy==
Why are we moving towards using the title cards of episodes for the main/starting picture of episode articles? Isn't it redundant to have a boring screenshot with the name of the episode placed next to...... the name of the episode in the actual article itself? Wouldn't it be more interesting to do what we have been doing, and use a screen capture that somehow encapsulates the whole episode, or shows a pivitol point in it that sticks in our memory? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:55, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:I've wondered the same thing myself, but figured it was a done deal. I too support the "memorable/encapsulating moment" approach. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 03:04, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh... I'm sorry, I think I started it. ;-) When I was doing some early RiD ep stubs I threw in the titlecards because the early episodes were boring as sin. I think McFeely did it for the JP eps because they tend to have those painterly titlecards...
::Really, it's just something you do if there isn't a ''good'' representative image. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Like Code of Hero (an article that needs a major overhaul itself), I originally put an image of Dinobot's sword lying on the deck of his quarters, because it looked poignant. Did the same for various other Beast Wars episodes. Then Interrobang replaced them all with screencap of the title screens. Gah. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::So tell him to stop! ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sigh. I did it because I like consistency, even with Japanese series. "Dinobot's sword on the ground" might be your favoritest image ever but it's the odd duck out now. (It also looks terrible due to the artifacting brought about by needlessly screwing with the brightness and contrast.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 08:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Consistency is Victory- but Transformers Victory was incredibly boring. (Victory Gundam was pretty good though...) [[The Weak Component]], [[Survivor]] and [[End of the Line]] all have virtually ''identical'' title screens- an aerial shot of the Cybertropolis spaceport. That sucks— I'd much rather have an iconic image from each episode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I agree. Using iconic images is really good for the most episode guides, such as [[Code of Hero]], [[The Weak Component]], and several [[B.O.T. (episode)|others]], especially "Code of Hero" and "The Weak Component" are great and good examples. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 13:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Personally, I started doing for the Japanese series for the reason Derik gives, because it was usually a unique image made for the title card, or a good one that's representative of the episode. There were some duds, but... consistency. And then... ''Masterforce'' started to do really, ''really'' boring ones, and I was about to give up, then it occurred to me to start using the image from the next-ep preview, which proved a winner in most cases (in fact, I may yet go back and change swap out some of the title-card images with these, if it's a better option). The mention of Victory here amuses me, though, 'cause it's a good example of title cards being boring - it's the same two images of Star Saber and Deathsaurus, rotated in and out, for the whole series. I've used them for the first two episodes just to get them on show, but I plan to use the title-images from the next-episode previews for this one. I mean, when I wake up from the dullness-inducing stupor that Victory induces. - McFeely, at work
::::::::I reverted Dinobot's sword back to the version I uploaded. As I had not viewed the page much since last year, I didn't realize that Repowers tried to brighten it up for some reason - that moment is supposed to focus on the sword, not the room. And it's the 'odd duck out' now because some people have been replacing whatever had served as the main image with the title card. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I brightened it because, when it's reduced for the actual episode page where most people are going to see it, you can't tell what the heck you're looking at. Right now it looks a little bit of vague white stuff in darkness. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 13:36, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Vaat? I can see if plenty fine there, unless you're using a very, very high resolution that makes everything tiny. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Could be my home monitor, which is HUGE. It does look more discernable from a work computer, though IMO it could still stand to be a tad brighter. -- [[user:repowers|repowers]], not signed in
I've changed my mind on this situation after mulling it over. A winner is FNN. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 03:31, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:FNN sounds even more like a Simon Furman sound effect than FFN :D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::You clearly changed your name after I replied. There's no another answer. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Hnh. FNN never DID want to live forever. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

==Help/policy page namespaces==
As part of the help/policy page revamp I plan to do... eventually... I kind of want to consolidate the pages all into a single namespace. Right now we have [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=12 a bunch of stuff] in the Help namepsace, and [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=4 a bunch of other stuff] in the Transformers Wiki (aka "meta") namespace. This is needlessly confusing. I vastly prefer "Help" for the purposes of typing it all the time, but, the meta namespace is more general purpose and standard... and possibly required for some pages like the title blacklist. So I am inclined to shuffle all the Help namespace pages over to the meta namespace. Does anybody have an opinion on this? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 17:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
:Help seems fine to me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

== "The Battlestars" page disappeared ==

When the "Battlestar" (team) page got changed to "Battlestars", then "The Battlestars" page, which was the manga, disappeared. What happened? --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 13:36, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't think that page actually existed in the first place. It was a red link before any moving was done - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:04, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm. My bad. --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 15:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

==Comic character box format Part IV==
I believe we should change it from 'Major characters' to 'Featured characters' like we do in the cartoon recap articles. Doing it as 'Major characters' means writers of these comic articles will just not bother list the incidental characters, such as humans, even ones with dialogue, and if any of these characters have articles, they become orphaned articles. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well I have gone thru nearly the entire U.S. Marvel series and I think I've included just about everyone who had a speaking line, except for folks who were un-named and such. If someone wants to change from "major" to "featured", it doesn't matter to me, but I'm not gonna go thru all 80 issues again and do it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:18, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::I was concerned because I was looking for the article for that [[Professor Goring]] guy from [[Spotlight: Shockwave]] so I could update the article. To my surprise, Shockwave didn't link or even name him, and somebody had eliminated the 'human' column altogether because evidently we only dealt with 'major' characters. Essentially, Goring's article became orphaned. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well that was dumb; he should indeed be re-added. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Uh, yeah. That's not good. I support the change to "Featured" not just for this... but let's face it, this wiki is not simply about "Major" characters. The vast wealth of non-major character information is what makes this wiki great, and we should make sure that they are properly linked to so people can find them, even if they weren't looking. "Oh, hey, who's this?" --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::::MistaTee, well sometimes even unnamed characters can be interesting enough to warrant their own articles if they are interesting in some way/stand out in some way. After all, we have an entire category devoted to unnamed characters. So I think they should have been mentioned in the article in some way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh, I agree, and if I've missed any, please feel free to add. I do think the 80 issues I've updated is a lot better than they were before though. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 13:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Of course. Is there article template pages somewhere on this wiki or are we copy pasting every time we write a new article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:07, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I've just been going through the Stormbringer articles, and I was ''not at all'' happy with the with the way characters who didn't have significant dialogue (such as ''every'' Pretender besides Bludgeon) were for the most part not even mentioned in the articles. I assume the original writer of these articles just didn't know who they were, but frankly it's just sloppy considering the information available on this wiki even in 2006. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I believe I reformatted them to the new format, but just copied the character list from what was there. When I get the chance to re-read, I will add in the others, if someone doesn't beat me to it. Oh, and I am copying and pasting from the previous article, but trying to be consistent. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

:So... what becomes of the former "minor characters" list? Do we even care about those dudes? Take [[Totaled!]] for example -- almost every Earth Autobot to date appears in the story (and most of the Decepticons), but the page currently lists only the speaking ones. Gods help the poor soul who decides to take that task on, but when some nobody like Air Raid makes a rare appearance in the comics, it seems worth noting. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:25, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
::IMO, I think those characters should perhaps be in a cameos section, a subset of "Items of note". But I sure as hellz am not going thru the whole Marvel series again to do that. Someone else can have a go at it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:31, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

==Navigation boxes for shared US/UK stories==
I wish I'd noticed [[user:MistaTee|MistaTee]]'s changes to the Marvel US navigation boxes sooner, but that's water under the bridge now. When I set the boxes up, I deliberately left out certain links at points where the continuities split and come back together. The point was that there would be no duplicate links in the box. One hopes that the reader following the UK chain will be smart enough to figure out that the only "Next" link shown will lead to the next step in the chain. This goes double for US stories that have the same Next and Previous links for the UK. Why do the same links need to be duplicated?

Compare:
* [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Cold_War%21&oldid=129298 Old version of Cold War]. There's no "next" for the UK spot, 'cause it would just be the same as the US "next" link.
* [[Cold War!|current version of Cold War!]] - two "next" links are identical.

Also compare:
* [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dark_Star%21&oldid=152775 Old version of Dark Star!] - no extraneous info.
* [[Dark Star!|Current version of Dark Star!]] - ''two'' redundant links.

To sum up my take on current version:

Minus:
* Redundant links add to confusion
* Double nav box is ugly and should be avoided when possible

Plus:
* Lists UK publication number right up front
* Consistent format for all US issues.

But I've never been one to favor consistency at the expense of practicality. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

:Now see, I didn't like '''not''' having a next for the UK, even if it's the same as the US one. What I think we really need is a revision of the nav box, and maybe have some more options. First, I think there should be a separator line between the US and UK nav. Secondly, maybe some logic could be programmed in so that IF "next2"="next" THEN it would say "same as U.S. version" or something along those lines. Same for the "prev"/"prev2" naturally. Thoughts? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 18:10, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::That sounds like an excellent trade-off -- it gets rid of the bothersome parts while keeping the good bits. Uhhh.... anybody have any idea how to do it? The coding of these things is an utter mystery to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 18:20, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== How to spell Malay. ==

Hello everyone, I've noticed that on the 'English/Malay' dubs, people have spelt word 'Malay' wrong. It doesn't have a 'y', because 'Maylay' is incorrect, so if you see any mistakes, please correct it, thank you! Also, can we not put the word crack head next to it? It's quite offensive.--[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:It's meant in jest because the [[RTM 1 dub]] is really, really bad, as if the dubbers didn't know what the hell was going on half of the time. But we have been changing such instances to 'RTM 1 dub name:' lately. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:29, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:"crack head" is describing the dubs, and with good reason. Battleship Maximus is called "Spaceship Bruce", Blaster is called "Billy", Twincast "Blaster", Metroplex "Phillip", Spike "Sparkle", Soundblaster "New Soundwave", Minevera "Nightbeat", The Matrix and Energon cubes "Power Packs, etc... --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::We should probably get the drone onto the task of replacing "Maylay" with "Malay", however. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't know about the crack head comment, it's better to avoid offending people; 'though, Spaceship Bruce is my favourite, next to Wally. Also, you got your drone right here (yay?), but do we replace it with 'English/Malay dub', or 'RTM dub'? --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
::::I fully agree with the removal of "crackhead." Frankly, it IS offensive to equate the oddities that arise from the translation of Japanese into English done by people who's first language was likely neither with being on crack. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:14, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Can we leave it in for just Spaceship Bruce? The others are at least somewhat understandable, but ''Spaceship Bruce''? WTCHOP? --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::Sorry, but I don't wanna label another country saying it's populated by drug addicts. If it weren't for them, we wouldn't have Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory in English in the early 90's(?), and for a non-Japanese speaking country, they made a good effort. I guess you can emphasise the weirdness that is Spaceship Bruce, in his bio or the RTM page. So, 'RTM dub' or 'Englsh/Malay' dub? Technically, there was no Malay in the English dubs in the first place, so I'd go for RTM dub :) --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:::::::It takes a real willfully oppressed state of mind to interpret that as a racial/nationalist insult. I mean, you have to really ''want'' to be offended by something, and be on the lookout for any little thing to jump on. 'Cause "crack-head" is pretty clearly referring to the ''dubs'', not the ''entire freaking country'', and I'm not sure why anyone would decide to think otherwise. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:32, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::You know, crackhead is generally a term that refers to ''people'', not ''things''. As I said above, we shouldn't be seen to be equating the people who produced these dubs with crackheads because of what we perceive as humorous oddities in the translation, which are possibly just the perfectly natural result of cultural and linguistic confusion. Now it might not be an insult to the entire nation of Malaysia, but it is still, I think, a bit offensive. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Well, regardless.... shouldn't it actually be the "Crackhead ''RTM-1'' dub"? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 16:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::'Cracked-up English/Malay' dub, 'though it's not my idea, and it's not so blunt. Or the shorter 'RTM dub', since there is an [[RTM 1 dub]] page where people can redirect themselves there and elucidate the weirdness of weird names; but do we have to spell Malay with two 'y's? Maybe we can make reference to that on the RTM page again. --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]
:::::::::I think 'Cracked-up English/Malay' could be used for the article such as [[Ginrai]] and [[Minerva]]('cause their RTM dub name "Optimus Prime" and "Nightbeat" were too... hilarious?), while just "RTM dub" for Fortress Maximus' Spaceship Bruce. Well, just a little opinion. :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 12:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: Agree! :D --[[User:akindofdrifter|akindofdrifter]]

==Trivia section image formatting==
This issue came up a while ago on [[Talk:Frenzy_%28Movie%29#Image_format|Frenzy's talk page]]. There were opnions both ways, and it wasn't really resolved. The issue is, should images in trivia sections alternate left-right, or be all on one side?

Part of the trouble with alternating sides is that it kills the bullet points. A double bullet has to be inserted for it to show up, and then there's some ambiguity over which bullets should be doubled and which left single. Dpouble bullets can also cause images to overlap the text.

Several folks said there's a lot of ugly white space when the images are stacked on one side. I see it just the opposite on my (admittedly gigantic) screen, with every image having a big empty white space below it when they alternate sides. Apparently it's got something to do with monitor resolution, so there might not be a solid answer. But --

I'd ''love'' so see some screencaps from folks showing how they see things on their monitors. It's a little hard to understand this problem without seeing it from other people's POV.

I started a little Sandbox at [[:user talk:repowers/Sandbox2]] with two different versions of Frenzy's trivia. The first one stacks all the images at the top. Does this work for people on lower monitor resolutions, or does it still look like crap? With them all stacked at the front, I don't see how they could have any white space, regardless of monitor resolution. On my screen, it looks very neat and tidy, while the second one is messy. See:

[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/frenzy1.jpg Stacked] 
[http://www.builtstlouis.net/tf/frenzy2.jpg Alternating]

Thoughts and input welcomed. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 01:36, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

:Alternating does kind of suck now. I've been putting pics all on the right side where there are bullet points since Wikia updated their software... an update which covered single bullet points if you put an image on the left side of the screen. I suggest cutting down on images in Trivia, since most users here have smaller monitors and use lower resolutions. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think the easiest answer is to just remove the head images. They're essentially redundant and don't really add anything to the reader's understanding. I'd call for a general limit on how many images you can stuff into a section. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 06:27, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I'd remove the head images from the article proper... but then make a text link to them within the relevant paragraph so people can see them anyway if they want to. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::::That works. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 07:11, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Foreign name format ==
I just found the foreign names doesn't have an unified format.
:For example, some are
::''Hungarian name:'' '''Kerék''' ("Wheel"(with or without ""))
:others are
::''Hungarian name'': '''Kerék''' (meaning Wheel(or "Wheel"))

I suggest we could use an unified format like the below:
:<nowiki>:''Foreign name 1:'' '''Name A''' (Form A), '''Name B''' (Form B)</nowiki>
:<nowiki>:''Foreign name 2:'' '''Name''' ("English meaning")</nowiki>

Take [[Hot Rod]] for example, it will look like:
:''Japanese name:'' '''Hot Rodimus''' (Hot Rod), '''Rodimus Convoy''' (Rodimus Prime)
:''Hungarian names:'' '''Nagyágyú''' ("Hot ''Shot''"), '''Rodimusz Fővezér''' ("Prime Commander Rodimus")

Thoughts and idea are welcomed :) --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
:I don't have a strong opinion on how the international names are standardized, but I strongly agree that they should be. I nominate someone else to go through and do it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 21:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

== Wookiepedia has a darn nifty interface ==

What would it take for us to create something similar but Transformers-y?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:36, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think the admins were adament that we keep a simple, bare-bones default look to the TF wiki, in keeping with our 'let's not take this stuff too seriously' attitude and tone. At least that's what I remember them saying when I suggested an orange layout like what Teletraan I looked like in the cartoon. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::The current Wookieepedia also doesn't seem to want to cooperate with my comp here at work. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

==Characters lacking visuals category?==
It's dawned on me that there are actually quite a few characters who don't have any form of visual representation. They may have been described, but there are no ''pictures''. While a bulk of these are from prose stories, there's several who were simply mentioned by name in comics, or in external sources (Key Code info, S7 site, etc). More than enough to justify a category. 
I think that maybe there should also be a template/visual for this to call attention to this fact on the page right up front. I'm thinking a variation on the current <nowiki>{{mainpic}}</nowiki> template... a silhouette, (different from the mainpic one) and some text saying "This character has no known official visual depiction" or something. Anyone? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:33, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:Well, for the characters with the mainpic template, the idea is that the mainpic image is there as a placeholder, and to annoy people into tracking down an image.
:However, characters that have never had any visual depiction, and are unlikely to ever get one, don't need a placeholder for their image, and the template will just pointlessly take up room. I'm against the template, but I think the category is a good idea, and will suffice to identify these characters. [[User:JW|JW]] 18:44, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::I disagree. The point is specifically to call attention to their lack of imagery, so nobody thinks "maybe they do have an image". And considering how little there ''is'' to most of those characters, a little extra visual pizzaz to their pages can't hurt. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:06, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::''so nobody thinks "maybe they do have an image"'' Are you intending to convey that message to ''editors,'' or casual users? Editors will, in theory, know enough to look for the category. I'm not sure casual users need to have the point brought to their attention.
:::And, it's not like we have scads of frantic editors running around trying to find pics for characters who have only appeared in prose. This may be a solution without a problem. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:27, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

== Timelines disambuig ==

There doesn't seem to be a consensus on how to name the various Timelines articles.

I feel that any disambiguation in the article title should be limited to keeping the articles separate. For instance, [[Optimus Prime (Shattered Glass)]] should be at [[Optimus Prime (Timelines)]] unless there is another Optimus Prime who's first appearance in anything was in Timelines. G1 Prime appearing in the 2007 Timelines comic does not affect this, as he is already at [[Optimus Prime (G1)]]. If G1 Prime being in a Timelines comic affected this, we would need to move [[Cyclonus (Armada)]] to [[Cyclonus (Armada whatever size class he is)]] because a version of G1 Cyclonus appeared in ''Worlds Collide''. The only reason to include the set name in the article title is ''two'' separate characters who first official anything is in ''Timelines''. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Shattered Expectations ==

Um, shouldn't those[[Deathsaurus|1]][[Bug Bite|2]] who appear in ''[[Shattered Expectations]]'' have their own page like others[[Optimus Prime (Timelines)|1]][[Grimlock (Timelines)|2]] even their counterparts' article would be short? --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 06:28, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:I brought this up on [[Category_talk:Mayhem_Suppression_Squad]]. As I said there, I think they should either get their own articles or if that's not warranted just be covered on the Mayhem Suppression Squad article. Either way, I don't think "Shattered Expectations" fiction sections belong on the normal-verse guys' pages. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

==Monaco skin==

Hi -- Have you guys seen the new Monaco skin that's being used on Wikia now? You can see it at [[w:c:muppet|Muppet Wiki]] and [[w:c:marveldatabase|Marvel Database]].

As we've been rolling the skin out across Wikia, there are a few things that we've found when wikis switch to Monaco:

* The number of pageviews goes up. The flyout menus encourage new readers to explore the content on the site, and people end up sticking around on the site for longer.

* The number of new editors goes up. Readers spend more time on the site, and find pages that they want to contribute to. Also, the design makes the edit button more prominent.

* The site is faster. There were some changes made last week to Monaco that make pages load a lot faster than Monobook. Hit "random page" a few times on a Monaco wiki, and you'll see what I mean.

So I'm going around and proselytizing to the Entertainment wikis that are still using Monobook. If you want to make a custom Monaco skin like Marvel Database and Wookieepedia have, I can help you make that happen. What do you guys think? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:Monaco does look nice, though it might go against what I understand is the wiki's purpose, which is to be quick and dirty, no fancy stuff and no pretention that this wiki is in any way officially endorsed or serious. At least that's the gist of what I was told after I previously suggested we could make the default colour of this wiki a shade of orange, like the computer systems in the original Transformers cartoons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:16, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, we don't have to do a custom skin -- it could be the basic blue and white. I'm mostly interested in the improved functionality. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Eh, if it makes the place ''easier'', I don't think the "pure and simple" folks will object.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

And truth be told, I think the main dealbreaker here might be the extent to which Suki and Derik may or may not have farted about with tweaking Monobook. I know they've both made alterations, but I don't know quite what.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:That stuff won't be affected at all. We can copy Monobook.css over to Common.css, and all of the tweaks that they made will still work. No problems. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:52, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

My biggest concern is the menus. The "by series" list could easily fill the entire vertical direction of the screen. We don't actually have all the series listed on the main page now (Machine Wars, Dinobots, Timelines, Universe (2008), not to mention licenced lines like Animorphs, SWTF, Crossovers).--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:45, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:Well, the idea with the menus is to be selective rather than comprehensive. It's not supposed to be a complete sitemap for the wiki -- you just want to give the new readers something to click on first.

:On [[w:c:Muppet|Muppet Wiki]], we put up the most popular Muppet Show and Sesame Street characters, and then a link to "More characters". We just want to entice people into making that first click, without overwhelming them with choices.

:I have access to click-through data for the Monaco menus, so it's possible to run some tests. You could put up a set of menus for a few days, and then I'll be able to tell you which items are getting clicked. That way, you could refine the menus so that you could highlight the items that are most likely to get clicked on. I've been doing that with the Muppet menus, and it's fun to see what the readers are actually interested in reading about. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

::So what do you guys think? I'd like to help you switch over to the new skin... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 19:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::For some reason none of the admins have chimed in. I assume they're all off doing useless things like living in Real Life. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Yeah, I left messages for Chris and ItsWalky... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::You might want to leave messages for [[User:Suki Brits]] and [[User:Steve-o]] as well. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Well admins? Let's hear your opinions! I find the silence from the staff to be discouraging. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

If there's an actual interest in switching over to Monaco, then I would certainly have nothing against that... but I'd definitely like to hear more from the community first. Aside from that, I have no objections speaking as an admin; the modifications really aren't an issue. On the other hand, speaking as a wiki editor and professional web designer... I would definitely want to use a modified version, as it's got several pretty important issues. My thoughts, in no particular order:
* Search is nigh useless, again. Right now it resembles our ''broken'' Monobook search. I don't think that's a good thing. On the other hand, I'm currently working on fixing that anyway, so it's not like the same couldn't be done for Monaco.
* The header sucks. It really, really does. It's only 150px tall, but it sends a pretty powerful message: we'd rather show you this pretty, irrelevant picture then let you immediately get to article. ''I'' would want the top of the article as close to the top as possible.
:: Gah, I brought it over into another browser that doesn't block ads... and now I see why it's so obnoxiously huge. I am ''strongly'' opposed to putting giant hideous banner ads at the top of everything. Like, it's a little insulting that Wikia really thinks that ''that'' should be the first thing readers see. Teletraan I, like everything else on Wikia, is naturally ad-driven; but Monobook isn't offensive about it.
* The language selection is in a dropdown box, which is a TERRIBLE idea. This personally doesn't affect me, as I don't speak Hungarian, but it's pretty awful for anyone who actually is interested in seeing foreign language versions of articles... and has to click a dropdown menu on every single page if they're curious.
* The "community" box is really unhelpful. Half the content (user page, user talk, etc.) is redundant with the top of the screen, and absolutely nobody is interested in just the most recent two edits. That just leaves the number of articles. This is a lot of wasted room for nothing.
* I ''do'' like that the obnoxious sidebar on the right is gone. The current framing in Monobook wastes all sorts of space and Monaco definitely doesn't ''look'' like it has that problem.
There's also a bunch of minor things, but they don't really matter so much. The big issues are the useless space, a need to do major fixes to search, and the huge obtrusive banner ads (as opposed to the ones on the side in Monobook). But if Wikia's really willing to work with us on it, then by all means, it's up to what the community thinks. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:48, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

:I've been around the Wookieepeedia lately, and I've noticed when you click edit, it loads significantly slower on Monaco than it does on the Monobook format. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

::Hi guys -- Sorry it took me so long to respond. I'll make up for it with a super-long answer. :)

::Yes, absolutely -- I want to work with you on this. Some of the things you've raised I can clear up immediately. For some, I can explain the rationale behind the approach, and show you some stats that may help. And if there are some things that need to get tweaked, I can talk to the designers & tech folks to see if we can come up with a solution.

::Just so you know: I work for Wikia now, but I started out in 2005 as the founder of [[w:c:muppet|Muppet Wiki]]. Working on wikis is my job now, but Muppet Wiki is where my heart lives, so I'm always looking out for what's going to help or hurt "my wiki". I am/was a big Monobook fan, and I was skeptical about Monaco as it was being designed. The thing that made me a Monaco fan was actually trying it out on Muppet Wiki, and then looking at the stats to see how it was working. Muppet Wiki and Teletraan I are very similar -- about a dozen really active contributors, a strong admin team and a community of about 60-80 contributors. So I can share with you what I saw on Muppet Wiki, and what I can see in the pageviews stats.

::First up, the rationale behind some of the decisions made with the new skin. There are some features on the new skin that the most active editors think are useless, like the Community box or the flyout menus. And it's true, those aren't very helpful for the active contributors. They're designed for the anonymous/new people, who are the vast majority of our readers.

::Here's the stats on unique visits for Teletraan I. (Unique visits counts the number of visits to a site, and not the number of pages you look at in each visit. So if you come to the wiki and look at 100 pages, that counts as one unique.) In the last month, there have been 2,725,000 anonymous visits, and 261,000 logged-in user visits. That means 91% of the visits to the site aren't logged-in contributors.

::Logged-in editors make 77% of the edits here, so obviously we're the people who are actually building the content that people are reading. Logged-in editors are important, and the dozen people who make over 100 edits here every month are especially important. Still, if you want to make the community bigger and more active, then you have to think about whether the design of the site encourages anonymous users to sign in and become active members.

::The purpose of designing the new skin was to make the wiki more accessible to the 91% of anonymous readers. Obviously, we have to keep the functionality that the active contributors need in order to build the wiki. At the same time, we have to be aware that the Monobook skin that we're familiar with is kind of confusing for brand-new people.

::For example, the "log in" button is in really small type at the very top right of the screen. From a website design perspective, that's crazy -- it's like we don't want people to find it. The log-in buttons on Monaco are big, green, candy-like buttons. There's one at the top right, and there's another one in the Community box on the sidebar. We want to encourage people to log in.

::In general, having all the important Monobook controls in little bitty tiny type says: We hate people who are older than 40. ("Go back to AOL, old man!") All of the Monobook buttons are in the same font, from the crucial stuff like "Log in" and "Edit this page" to the more obscure controls like "Related changes" and "Permanent link". On Monaco, the stuff that's important to brand-new users is bigger -- log-in, edit, the link to the home page. The search box is at the top, rather than being buried down in the sidebar. The controls that logged-in users need, like "What links here" and "Special pages", are in smaller type -- they're important to us, but a brand-new user wouldn't know what to do with them.

::Okay, so that's my very long introduction... Now I'll respond to the points that you guys have brought up.

::'''Search''': I think when you say that search is broken, you mean that there's just a "Go" button and not a "Search" button next to the search box. (If you mean something else, then let me know.) That's true, and it's something that I struggled with as the design for Monaco was taking shape. I use the Search button all the time, and I was frustrated that it wasn't included. Then I looked at the stats. On Teletraan I in the last month, logged-in users used Go for 91% of searches, and Search for 9%. Anonymous users used Go for 97% of searches. Given that, I think it's okay to make the Search button less prominent. I remember when I first started using wikis, I was totally confused by having two buttons. (Do I want to Go or Search? Well, I want to search, and then go to the search results...) I only figured out the difference through trial and error. So in Monaco, the search box at the top is Go, and then you can have a link to [[Special:Search]] in the toolbox. (Some wikis have that, and some don't -- Muppet has it, if you want to see how it works.)

::'''Community box''': That's one of the features that's designed to encourage brand-new users to explore the site. When you look at a wiki as a new reader, it's not always apparent that there's a community there. You read pages, but you don't necessarily know whether the articles were written today or a year ago. (Unless you look at Recent changes, which a brand-new reader doesn't know to do.) The Community box is designed to bring a little taste of the community activity up to their view. It's not a helpful way for a contributor to keep track of Recent changes, but it does show new people that something's going on. If you come to the site and see that somebody edited a page 15 seconds ago, then you understand that there's an active community. On Muppet Wiki in the last month, 1,404 anonymous readers logged in using the button in the Community box, 1,539 anon readers clicked the "more..." button to go to Recent changes, and 1,287 clicked on article links that they saw in the Latest Activity area. Those are readers who may not have been engaged with the site if they hadn't seen the activity going on in the Community box. On the other hand, logged-in contributors only clicked in the Community box 350 times. It's not designed for us; it's for the 91% of anons.

::'''Obnoxious ads''': This is the one area that's designed to help the company rather than the wiki. Basically, the deal is that Wikia doesn't make a lot of money from the "skyscraper" ads on the right sidebar. Nobody clicks on them, and most advertisers don't bother to make ads like that anymore. Advertisers want banner ads, and they want them at the top of the page. I can't justify this one in wiki terms, except to say that if we want Wikia to stay in business and continue to host wikis, then we need to change the skin to accommodate the changing ad market. Otherwise, there won't be a Wikia after a while.

::'''Languages drop-down''': We changed the list into a drop-down menu because sites like Wookieepedia had a long list, which took up a lot of sidebar space, and only had about 100 clicks on language links in a month. On Teletraan I, there have only been 2 clicks on the language links since October.

::'''Content space''': There is slightly less content area on Monaco when you first come to the page. The sidebar is smaller than the combined left & right Monobook sidebars, so the content area is wider. The banner ad means that the height takes a hit for the first screen. As you scroll down, though, the Monaco content area is bigger than on Monobook, because the page is wider. I can show you some screencaps if you want more info on this.

::'''Slow edits on Wookieepedia''': That looks like a bug that's specific to Wookieepedia... I'm not sure what's going on there. It looks like when you hit edit on Wookiee, it's looking for something from maps.google, and that can slow down the page load for the edit screen. I hadn't seen that before, so I'm really glad you pointed it out. That's not affecting other Monaco wikis like Muppet Wiki or Marvel Database, so there must be something in Wookieepedia's css that's causing that. I'll look into it. If you look at Muppet or Marvel, you'll see that the page load is lightning fast right now. (Not counting periods of site-wide database problems, which affect every skin.)

::So anyway -- this is a huge long post, but I think I responded to everything. As you can tell, I take this stuff really seriously, and I'm willing to put in the time to research the impact and explain what's going on. Do folks have other questions or concerns about Monaco? I could keep talking about this stuff all day. :) -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 17:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Personally, as regular contributor, I'm fine with switching to Monaco, so long as we get to keep our new 'random page thumbnail' above the search box (or anywhere, really). I think it's useful for visitors to be able to visit a random page with an interesting thumbnail image rather than simply doing random searches or hitting Random page repeatedly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::::I knew there was something I forgot to mention! Yeah, the featured page thumbnail. I think that's something that we can adapt.

::::That feature doesn't have anything to do with search -- it just happens that you can put a picture in the Monobook search box. I actually think what you've made is a little misleading. The picture says "Search" on it, and it's right above the search box -- so as a user, I would assume that if I click that, I'll get some kind of search results page. Instead, it goes to a featured article, which isn't necessarily what you'd expect.

::::The feature is really a rotating spotlight for featured articles, which is cool and visual, and helps to bring readers deeper into the content. It's a great idea. I think it would actually be more effective if it was split away from search, so readers would be more likely to recognize it as a featured-article spotlight.

::::So there are a couple ways to do that in Monaco. The easiest way would be to put it in the sidebar -- check out [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]] for an example. Here's pics to show what that would look like.

<gallery>
Image:Monacosidebar1.jpg
Image:Monacosidebar2.jpg|You can update this list anytime, so you can freshen it up every day or every week. Or never.
Image:Monacosidebar3.jpg|That big green, fire-snortin' lizard must be included.
Image:Monacosidebar4.jpg|If you click on "Embrace the Knowledge", it takes you to the Allspark article. Obviously.
</gallery>

::::It's not graphical, but it allows you to bring the funny into the sidebar, which you've never been able to do before. One advantage of this approach is that you can add in new articles to the sidebar without having to wait for somebody to make a graphic.

::::If that's not enough and you need to go graphical, then I can talk to our designer, Christian, about creating a widget that can go into the sidebar and have the same function. It could sit above or below the Community box. It would be separate from search, but like I said, that may be a good thing. What do you think? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:48, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

If you want to sell this to Walky... make it orange.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Orangemonaco.jpg|thumb|250px|It could be even oranger if that would help.]]
:Does this work? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::The brick skin has a pretty nice brown/orange thing going. That's what I'm using at the moment. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 22:17, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::See, that's what was needed to get his attention. The orange will draw him, like a moth to a flame.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Monacobrick.jpg|thumb|250px|Monaco Brick, in all its dark red and orange glory.]]
::::Here's how Brick looks... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:28, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::Do it! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::I TOLD you guys that we should make this wiki orange (to actually look like Teletraan 1) way back before we even knew about Monaco, but you were all "We are serious business about not taking ourselves seriously". --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

:I don't know all that much about what can and can't be modified, but can't a number of the problems with Monobook be solved simply by changing the css or js files? I'm mainly talking about the small text size for the tabs and login. Plus, most people who edit wikies are probably familiar with Wikipedia's Monobook interface. Plus, I don't think anyone wants the trouble from the ad format being changed again. A few months ago the site started taking showing wider vertical ads, and it was awhile before the horizontal scrolling mess got cleaned up. But then again I'm the guy who uses XP's Classic Windows scheme with Windows 98's colors and icons, so I may be biased when it comes to new interfaces. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 22:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

::The Monobook problems can't be solved with css changes. The type size is an example, but it's really a general problem with the layout. Wiki veterans are used to Monobook, but it's not necessarily a great layout for new people. I meet people all the time who read Wikipedia, but when I ask if they've ever made an edit, they say no -- it never occurred to them. I think it's important to make wikis more accessible to new people, and we're finding that Monaco is helping people to explore the wikis and make their first edit.

::Are there other concerns that people have that I can help with? I know that this discussion has gone on a bit, and I'd hate to have it just run out of steam before it gets to a decision. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 18:15, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::It seems like there aren't any more concerns about the new skin, so I'm thinking about changing it over to Monaco tomorrow, unless someone has objections. Once it's switched over, then I can help you out with whatever customization you want. Is that cool? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 15:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::::A great number of us are indisposed at [[BotCon 2008]] this weekend, but there should still be a handful of us around. So you know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:09, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Gyah. I thought we were doing Brick?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:We can do anything you guys want... I'm just playing around for a minute to see if I can come up with something interesting. It's gonna look bad for the next five minutes... and then we can talk about what you guys want, and fix it up nice. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, never mind. That just looked bad. :) So I set it to Brick. If you guys want to change these colors, we can change them to whatever you like. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

===Apparently implemented===
Is there any way to override this that '''doesn't''' override the skins on ''every'' Wikia-hosted wiki? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:Do you mean, you want to see the skin in Monobook? You can go to Preferences --> Skins, and set your preferred skin to Monobook. You can check or uncheck the box that says "Let the admins override my skin choice" to either see customized skins or not. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:27, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I know that. My problem with that is the "This setting will follow you across Wikia." clause. I don't want to override EVERYWHERE (e.g. Memory Alpha). Just Monaco wikis. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:30, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Actually, they're working on switching over to the Monaco skin on Memory Alpha too... At a certain point, pretty much every Wikia wiki is going to end up on Monaco. Is there something about Monaco that you don't like? -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::The flyouts. Certainly not the only thing - the more I look, the less I like, especially the pathetic "Latest Activity" box with a practically-camouflaged recentchanges link, and why exactly are the preferences hidden? - but they're the biggest dealbreaker. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:01, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, at first I wasn't crazy about the flyouts either. We tested out using the sidebar without the flyouts on Muppet Wiki, but then I looked at the click stats and found that they really helped new readers to find content on the wiki. The pageviews went down when we took the flyouts out. If you're interested, there's details here: [[w:c:muppet:Muppet_Wiki:Current_events#Sidebar_menus|Muppet Wiki:Current events]].

:::::The "Community" box is also something for the new users. When you first come to the wiki, you might think that it's just a static site... There's no way to know that there's a living community. The latest activity shows people that there are pages that were edited in the last couple minutes. Also, logged-out users see a log-in button in that box. For active logged-in users, a lot of these features aren't that useful. They're really aimed at the 90-something% of readers that aren't logged in. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:10, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::(NB: I was expanding my post at the same time you were typing, since I was spending a bit of time looking around).
::::::See, I'm not coming at it from the "guy who runs the wiki" perspective. I'm not a sysop on a Wikia wiki, so "this will boost Teh Stats" has no effect on me [perhaps that means you consider my position irrelevant. I can't help that]. Nor am I a newbie to Wikis, so again, not the target group.
::::::My problem is that (1) they require me to turn JavaScript on in the first place (strictly, add to the NoScript whitelist, but...) and (2) the click-on flyout in the top right is worse than pointless, since there's room for the links without that and it just makes preferences harder to access and (3) I hate non-click flyouts since you they will inevitably be scrolled at the wrong moment, trebly so since they're on the side rather than the top. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::::::I think "this will boost Teh Stats" actually matters to everybody. More readers looking at more pages = more potential contributors = a more active community = more and better content on the site. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::::By the way, I'm not trying to make you like the skin. Either you like it, or you don't. I'm just explaining the rationale behind some of the design decisions, so you know that it wasn't just random or malicious. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

There are three things that would make me more... reconciled... to it. I still probably won't ''like'' it, but...
#On your own "help.wikia", there's a group of links beneath the flyouts to Recent Changes/Upload/etc. They don't appear here or on most Wikia wikis (well, strictly they appear for about half a second on a Ctrl-F5, which suggests they're present but being hidden with CSS or something). They should be there as standard.
#Links to Special:Preferences and Special:Contributions/(self) should be available with a single non-flyover click, either in the "Community" box or at the top right, not in a flyover only. '''ESPECIALLY''' Special:Preferences.
#Be able to override the colour scheme on an individual wiki basis, rather than just "all or nothing" - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 22:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::For #1, I'm not sure why you're not seeing the toolbox links. That's an important part of the skin, and it's on every wiki. Check out the screenshots that I added above -- every wiki has links to Recent changes and Upload. If you're not seeing it, then that's a weird bug which we can try to figure out. What browser are you using? Are you only seeing the toolbox disappearing on Transformers, or on other wikis too?

::If you want it, we can put links to Preferences and Contributions in the toolbox, or in the sidebar. I don't know how to change the top header.

::Can you give me an example of what you'd like to see as far as overriding the color schemes? I think it's possible that what you want is currently possible, but I'm not sure. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Okay, #1 was my own fault. An in-browser hack I'd done on Monobook was interacting "unpredictably" with Monaco, and had knocked that (and some minor stuff that doesn't make any difference) out of joint.
:::Okay on #2. I'd be interested to find out how many people ever use Special:Preferences on any skin(s) while you're trotting out stats...
:::On #3, basically, being able to use different (non-default) skins, or at least colour schemes from the chosen skin on different wikis without being limited to the "this will follow you across Wikia". Just because one wiki chooses to smother the page in bright pink (or orange...) doesn't mean I want to change the colour scheme on every wikia. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 23:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Sure, I love trotting out stats!

Here's the stats on how Transformers contributors click on those links. In the last month, there have been the following clicks:

* Watchlist: 3,114
* Contributions: 427
* User page: 213
* Talk page: 67
* Preferences: 22

So, yeah, contributions is #2 on that list, but preferences is all the way down at the bottom. Preferences is useful when you need it, but people don't need it that often.

But the hypothesis is: If you put Contributions and Preferences into a drop-down menu, people won't click on it as much, and you'll see clicks on those two items going down.

To make a comparison, I looked at Muppet Wiki editors' clicks in February (on Monobook) and in April (using Monaco).

Here's the clicks on Monobook:

* Contributions: 403 (52%)
* Watchlist: 148 (19%)
* Talk page: 132 (17%)
* User page: 83 (11.5%)
* Preferences: 4 (0.5%)

Here's the clicks on Monaco:

* Contributions: 320 (60%)
* Watchlist: 123 (23%)
* Talk page: 53 (10%)
* User page: 23 (4%)
* Preferences: 15 (3%)

The hypothesis doesn't seem to hold up. Percentage-wise, clicks on Contributions and Preferences went up using Monaco. This is a really small sample, so it's not proof of anything... but it indicates that the drop-down menu doesn't chase away clicks.

As far as seeing wikis in different skins, try choosing Monobook in your skin preferences, and keep "allow admins to override my choices" checked. Transformers isn't using a custom skin right now, so you should see this wiki in Monobook -- and you'll also see the customization on Memory Alpha, etc. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 00:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

==Script-style quotes==
There seems to be some disagreement on whether script-style quotes should have quotation marks or not. Personally, I strongly favor including them, for two reasons:
* Visual consistency. There's no reason not to have all the quotes in as similar a format as possible. Having some with quotation marks, and some without, ''in the same section'', seems like needless variation.
* It's... well... it's a ''quote''. We're not writing a screenplay; we're quoting something someone actually said. And a quote gets quotation marks.... fullstop. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:18, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

:Hmm, I'm afraid I disagree. They're simply not necessary, and they clutter the page.
:And, regardless of whether we decide to use double-quotes, can we put a stop to script-style where the quotes are are in double-quotes ''and'' italicized? {shudder} [[User:JW|JW]] 21:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::The italics stuff is flat out bad formatting, no disagreement here. There's an earlier discussion about it somewhere on this page or the archives. Nobody should be adding stuff in that format anymore... I hope.
::As for double quotes... um... I have no clue what you're referring to. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 21:23, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

==Gone Too Far==
I've been alerted it's past the 30-day period for "coming soon Club stuff" non-updating. Have at it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:03, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

==Searchbox improvement drive==
So now we have a very nice set of searchboxes, thanks to the lovely design work of M Sipher and the superhuman coding skills of Suki Brits. The effort of these boxes is to show the visitor all of the awesome crap we have. To do that, said cap must in fact be awesome. Unfortunately, a lot of the pages linked to by searchboxes are [[Shatterpoint|imageless]], [[T-AI|missing fiction]], or [[High Wire (Armada)|pretty much content-free]]. Thus, I propose an improvement drive of the searchbox articles. When you click on one of those suckers, try and add something. I dunno how we'd make this official, exactly... - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 06:49, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are these images supposed to show up automatically by/around/with the actual text box in which you type your search parameters? If so, I'm not seeing them in the current Monaco skin.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 14:29, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::They don't show up in Monaco, Quartz, Cologne Blue, or any other custom theme. Just Monobook, the default. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 20:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Is there a way to get the search box changes to load sooner? The way it is now the custom settings for the box are the last thing to load; it uses the default settings until the google ads finish loading. This can take awhile depending on how the crappy campus wireless is acting. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:39, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree with RolonBolon about the searchbox thing. I know we're hard up for help, but why are we spending time creating these little searchbox images using pics from God knows where, yet we've neglected to upload a single image for the actual pages these buttons lead to? Not the mention pages that have absolutely no content whatsoever.
I think we've overreached ourselves, and in the future we should only do these searchbox things for articles that are largely complete and/or have alot of content and imagery, otherwise we look really half-ass and unfocused. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 22:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, what drove it home for me was Sixtrain. I see Sixtrain in the Search box. It looks nifty, like it's his box art. I click on the article, no images. Why the heck can't we upload Sixtrain's box art when we evidently have a clear enough copy of it to make a search teaser?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:33, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::I was simply making boxes using what I had on the hard drive as examples, and not everything is good quality at main-image size. I don't think we've "overreached ourselves" at all. At worst, we omit a few items from the searchbox list if their entries are that empty for a little while, OH NOES. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:22, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I am of the opinion that a fuzzy picture that can be replaced later is better than no picture at all. It helps users know what it's talking about in the meantime, right? [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 02:24, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
::::We prefer no pic/no content to a crap pic/crap content. I've been taking a break from the Wiki, but it looks like I'm going on another image safari. My scanner not working is annoying. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:54, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

The fact that the image is the last one on the page to load isn't just visually annoying; it for some reason also makes whatever you've typed in the search field vanish in Firefox. I've had this happen to me a bunch of times. A lesser annoyance is that the input box moves when the image appears; it would be nice if it could stay in the same place (maybe by making the whole Search box a fixed size?), as it's a bad idea to have a clickable thing that spontaneously jumps around. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:31, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
: The way the Search Image works right now, I'd rather not even have them. My computer has slowed down ''epically'' trying to load those images each time, and if it's a high traffic time of day, the rest of the page will basically freeze for 30 seconds or more until that search image gets around to loading. This is extremely annoying when I just need a quick peek at a page before making a link, like checking if Stormcloud is one word or two or if Whirl needs to be disambig-ed in the link. And if I try to click Search to move on to a next page too early, the Image drops down in front and shang-hais my "click", so I go there instead of being able to type in where I want to go.

: I don't like the thing at all. It's been nothing but a hassle for the last day or so. There's already a Random page button right about it -- do we really need this too? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 00:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::The same thing has been happening to me lately, and I've never experienced that problem on Wookieepedia. And this is a real problem for me, as I'm actually ''supportive'' of the image icons. We may want review the system. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:30, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Though in fairness, some of that may be due to Wikia's tendency to nearly-crash every weekend. And to be honest, this weekend has been rather traffic low. I mean, seriously, did every head to BotCon a week early? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:09, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Let me know if this continues to be an issue during weekdays (well, before Thursday, anyway). If it is, I'll figure out a way to let users optionally turn them off. I've never noticed it slowing down while trying to load, and any sane browser ''shouldn't'', but if that really is happening for some users, something definitely ought to be done about it.
::::I'll also take a look at preserving the form data while the images load, because that is definitely something that really ''should'' happen, too. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Things sped back up again shortly after SFH's last post, but I'll post again if it keeps happening regularly. Maybe it was just an anomaly. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 03:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Furthermore:''' I did a bit of code modification that should make the form retain anything you've typed before the images loads. You may need to do a hard refresh for the change to show up, but lemme know if that doesn't work for anyone. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 03:52, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

==Templates listing==
Is there a page editors can refer to for templates (messagebox, user notices ect) without having to go through the categories or remembering the last time somebody used it so they can copy-paste it? They seem to be unnecessarily difficult to track down. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
:[http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=10 here] --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 04:50, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::My main concern was not requiring the page soley for myself, but was this page obviously linked on a help page or something somewhere that anybody could find easily? I'd personally like to see this wiki become more user-friendly. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:25, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Agreed, as I've [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#.22First_go_here.21__Next_go_here..22 said before on this very page]. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 15:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah. Our lack of user friendliness might discourage people from joining up. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:47, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:What I'm worried about is that some of the other users would actually be okay with that...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, last time I checked some of these other users don't own the wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:12, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== new template: Comicinfo ==

Please checkout [[Template:Comicinfo]]. It's a little rough around the edges, but something I think could be useful on the comics pages. Comments and suggestions are welcome.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 02:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

== Masthead ==

Okay, the old Monobook masthead doesn't look so good under Monaco. How do we change this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:I've looked around and seen that other wikis have already taken advantage of the extra masthead space. Question is, how do we do so, and what dimensions would the new masthead be?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Before we do anything, I would recommend keeping the masthead's filesize reasonable, because there's nothing worse than trying to load a site with a masthead image that is like a megabyte or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:22, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, absolutely. I was mainly thinking perhaps something involving a 'shopping of the TFA logo, considering it'd fit the color scheme nicely. Alternatively, maybe something aping the "grid" of G1.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Another thought is whether it's possible for the masthead to be random/rotating. If so, it'd let us do Autobot/Decepticon versions of the same masthead (via color swap) or even rotating versions for different franchises (G1, BW, UT, etc.)--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sidebar ==

Given that we're getting a lot of Transformers Animated traffic lately, I'd say an item in the Monaco sidebar is likely going to help direct people to the right articles.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, I put it in the sidebar. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 21:56, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

The more I think on it, the more it seems we'd be best served by condensing the G1 and TFA menus and instead just having one menu that's franchise navigation. I dunno. I'm a little bothered that we can't seem to get the admins to chime in on this, since they're the ones that can edit the sidebar setup the most easily.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 19:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:Eh. Monday after BotCon. A lot of them are probably still sleeping off their flight / drive / booze. Another reason why big changes probably shouldn't've happened this weekend. Give it a day or so. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 19:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The sidebar does need major work, and [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]] is a protected page so I guess it's not just easier for admins to change it, they're the only ones who can?

The issues I have with it are:

* "Featured characters" menu still includes articles that haven't actually been Featured, as well as [[Spark]], which ''has'' been featured but is not a ''character''.
* Generation 1 and Animated are the only franchises listed.
* The G1 and Animated menus are inconsistent in the sorts of articles they list. The Generation 1 menu includes [[Autobot]] and [[Decepticon]], articles were not restricted to G1, then several high profile characters and one obscure, jokey one. The Animated menu, on the other hand, just lists the franchise's cartoon, comic, toyline, and books articles.
* The "Embrace the Knowledge" menu seems to take a bit of scattershot approach. [[Marvel Comics]] is listed, but none of the other publishers. Hasbro is there, but not Takara. With [[Mini-Con]] there, might this be a better place for the Autobot and Decepticon articles, and other factions as well?
--[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:[[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]] can only be edited by admins. That's true for all MediaWiki pages. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

== Hate the new skin. ==

Hate this new skin. Just wanted to say it. The old look was much more pleasent and open to read. New one is just crouded and Blah. THIS is gonna take getting use to. No Sir, I don't like it.

:Can it at least not be burgundy and orange? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:08, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, it can be any color you like. I was messing around with colors before, but wasn't doing a great job with it, and Rosicrucian said he wanted this color scheme. Any admin can change the colors by editing [[MediaWiki:Monaco.css]]. There's instructions on how to do it here: [[w:c:help:Customizing Monaco|Customizing Monaco]]. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 22:15, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I mainly liked this because it fits with the color scheme of Teletraan itself. I'm not married to the idea, though. I also figured I'd speak up about it because Walky liked it, and he's off enjoying his ridiculously expensive Transformers collector's items at BotCon.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Ahh, right, well, I can see the logic, there, all right... I'm just not dying about the dark-coloured backgrounds, since it's a big visually jarring to have big white boxes of text in the middle of them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

: Seconding the hate. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 00:04, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
:: This looks pretty hideous compared to MonoBook... and it's hard to navigate. Well, at least I can override it in preferences, but I think I'll be ignoring admin skin choices unless a custom one appears in the future.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 00:44, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:::I think I can try to get used to the new skin unless/until I find something inconvenient. Well, so far so good. At least the seach function is better. But the logo on the left side of the top, well... um, oh. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 01:23, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
::Fourthing the hate. The colors hurt my eyes. That, and the obscure character search images are gone. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 01:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'm afraid I don't much like it either. Fortunately, it was pretty easy to uncheck the "override" box on my preferences. [[User:JW|JW]] 01:54, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't like the new skin either. I don't get the menus at the side. "Featured characters" includes articles that I don't think have actually been Featured. G1 and Animated are listed, but no other franchises. And the menus are inconsistent. The G1 menu lists Autobot, Decepticon, and then a bunch of character pages, while the Animated menu lists Animated's toy line, cartoon, comic, and books articles. Why the difference? And what was the selection process for the "Embrace the Knowledge" menu?

By the way, in the middle of BotCon is probably the worst possible time for major changes like this to be made. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 04:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

:The menus at the side are examples that I made up. You guys can change them to be anything you want, by editing [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]]. I'm sorry about the timing... We've been talking about this for maybe three weeks.

:Lots of things can be changed -- the colors, the menus, the logo. I'll put it back to the basic Sapphire for now, which is more like Monobook. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 05:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Not a fan of the skin, either. Losing the brown and yellow from earlier was a step up, but it still doesn't quite work. The extra crap on the side feels ''bigger'' now, so the actual articles feel ''smaller''. And those blamed automatic pulldown menus keep getting in the way everytime I move my cursor to or from the Search box. Annoying. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:02, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'm a little unclear- you say Monaco is the new Wikia standard skin. No one likes it. But we can override the style in our preferences to set it back to Monobook.
:So does TT1 have the ''option'' of deciding to switch back to Monobook if that's what the consensus decides? Danny is saying they are switching Memory Alpha Monaco and "at a certain point, pretty much every Wikia wiki is going to end up on Monaco." So is this something we get to decide for ourselves, or will Monaco be forced on us even if we don't want it? -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 18:55, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::What I find interesting on the MΑ example is that Toughpigs said, and I quote:
:::''Actually, they're working on switching over to the Monaco skin on Memory Alpha too''
::Now, who are "they"? Because I've just looked at MΑ - and in the designated [[MemoryAlpha:Forum:Monaco skin|forum on the matter]], one Wikia staff member (who has no main namespace edits on MΑ in the past three years) is the only user pushing for it. Only two other users have (briefly) commented - one admin who's strongly against it because of the top ad banner, and one other user who dittoed that. The only other place it is mentioned is on [[MemoryAlpha:Portal talk:Main#Monaco skin|their main page talk]], where one "[[Wikia:Wikia Helper Group|Wikia Helper Group]]" member (who has no MΑ edits on any other matter, main namespace or otherwise) shilled it - and in response, got a reply from one user that they were confused, and another user that they preferred Monobook. Unless there's some hidden forum somewhere, there's no consensus from MΑ that they want to switch.

::If Toughpigs's line is intended to say there's a push ''from'' MΑ as a "do you want T1 to be left out", it's, well, draw your own conclusions. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I've been vague about what the future holds, because I don't know. Right now, the community does have the option to switch the site back to Monobook, if that's what you decide.

However, at some point in the future, Wikia may need to switch everybody over to Monaco. We need to figure out how to get more advertisers to buy ads on Wikia. We're exploring a lot of different possibilities right now, so I can't predict how that's going to go yet. But we may find that it hurts us to have skins with completely different ad sizes all over the site. Companies don't want to advertise on sites that have a leaderboard on some pages and a skyscraper on others.

Right now, we're able to offer a lot of flexibility with the skins, and we're not forcing a change on any community. But if you think about it, no other (sane) website does that. Ad-supported websites have a format, and everything on the site is in that format.

I know that the obvious response to the ad talk is "that's your problem", but it's actually everybody's problem. Wikia offers free hosting to communities like this one because we're advertiser-supported. But the ad market is changing -- and if we don't keep up, then we go out of business, and we can't host wikis anymore.

Anyway, we're not anywhere near a problem at the moment. Wikia is fine, and if the community decides to switch back to Monobook, then that's fine. But it will be easier in the long run if folks give Monaco a chance, and see if we can make it work the way that you want it to work.

Meanwhile, I can address a couple of the concerns that people have posted about. First up: The size of the content area. Xaaron says that the crap on the side feels bigger, so the content area feels smaller. I took screenshots of the same page using both Monaco and Monobook, at the same browser size and screen resolution.

<gallery>
Image:Megatron-monaco.jpg|Monaco
Image:Megatron-monobook.jpg|Monobook
</gallery>

You can see from those pictures that Monaco gives you a wider content area. The first two paragraphs take up 16 lines in Monobook. On Monaco, it takes up 13 lines.

The number of logins has gone up just in the last few days. On April 26-27, 41 people logged in to the site (20.5 per day). From March 1-31, there were 381 logins (12.3 per day). This may be because of the interest generated at BotCon, but it also seems like being at BotCon over the weekend kept people away from the website. The increase in logins is consistent with what we've seen on other sites -- Monaco makes logging in more visible to new users.

On the sidebar over the last couple days, these are the most clicked on items:

# Transformers Animated (cartoon): 295 clicks
# Murdered puppy: 192 clicks
# That big green, fire-snortin' lizard: 168 clicks
# Transformers Animated (toy line): 131
# Autobot: 111
# Optimus Minor: 108
# More featured characters: 83
# Optimus Prime: 76
# Gas Skunk: 74
# Airazor (BW): 72

Pageviews for April 26-27 are up 21% over the average from the previous 30 days. That may be because of the interest around BotCon and the new episodes, but it might also be because the sidebar is helping new readers find articles that they're interested in, and because the pages load faster with Monaco. In any event, it doesn't seem like Monaco is chasing people away. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:It could also be because existing users have been giving the new skin a test drive. Anyway, couple of things about the skin that I'm wondering. First, the Teletraan 1 image in the upper left corner is now tiny with ugly, empty whitespace on three sides. Can it be enlarged? Second, can the recently-added neat little search box images be included in the new skin? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 20:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::The logo can be changed by uploading a new image to [[:Image:Wiki_wide.png]].

::The search box images are a neat idea, but I'm confused about why they're attached to search. They don't take you to a search page. They're basically a random featured-article generator. If you want, I can talk to the designer here about creating a randomized featured-article widget for the sidebar. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Basic test image for the top left:

[[Image:TFfactions.png|266x75px]]

- [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:I've got some ideas for the masthead. I'll 'shop something up when I get home from work.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::My proposal:
::[[Image:Teletraan masthead.png]]
::Whaddaya think?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::That one is beautiful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:20, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Look nice for Rosi's. --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 02:26, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ooo, rock me, Amadeus. Verra nice. [[User:JW|JW]] 02:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
[[image:Templateximage.JPG|thumb|I'm ugly]]
Umm, did this overlap happen before the new skin? If so, I never noticed it. If not, then why is it changing what goes on inside the content part of the site, not just the menus and adds and umm, everything that I can't edit as an anon? [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 04:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

== Anonymous edits ==

Lately, I've been looking at wikis that have decided to turn off anonymous edits, and have everybody log in before contributing to the wiki. The idea is that having everybody log in builds a stronger sense of community, because you always have a name to associate with an edit, rather than a random string of numbers. It's easier to talk to people who have names. It also gives you more control over vandalism, since you can recognize potential vandals more easily.

Some people don't like the idea, because they're worried that logging in is a barrier to entry -- if you have to log in to edit, then you won't bother, and you'll go away. Looking at the wikis that require login, that doesn't seem to be true. [[w:c:muppet|Muppet Wiki]] turned off anon edits last April, and the number of active editors has actually gone up. Some of our most active wikis require login -- [[w:c:wowwiki|World of Warcraft]], [[w:c:ffxi|FFXIclopedia]], [[w:c:tibia|Tibia Wiki]] and [[w:c:marveldatabase|Marvel Database]]. (WoW and FFXI actually require a confirmed e-mail address before you can edit.)

So I've been talking to folks about this, and we've decided to allow wiki communities to turn off anonymous edits if they want to. There are a lot of anonymous editors here, so I'm wondering what you guys think about it. Would it be helpful to require login for everybody?

Obviously, that's a big community decision... I just want to throw out the possibility, and see what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 20:38, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

:I strongly oppose disabling anonymous edits! (I also oppose sweeping changes performed over botcon, and unilaterally re-skining the site when the community can argue for weeks or month about proposed style changes to individual ''templates'' without reaching a consensus-- but if you're willing to ignore the needs of registered users while making such 'big community decisions,' why would you listen to anon users?) -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 08:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
::Well, let's get an opposing viewpoint here. Why are you, 75.168.112.43, unwilling to get an account? [[User:JW|JW]] 11:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::You assume I don't have an account.
:::I strongly oppose disabling anonymous edits because;
::::# It puts up a gateway that discourages first time users. Not a tall gateway- but a gateway nonetheless. Even if it only turns back 30% of new editors, that's 30% of people who could potentially become productive members of the community we're turning away out of hand.
::::# Equally important to the new users are the 'casual fixers', people who will /never/ become regulars on this wiki but, while clicking around, notice a link leading to '''Megatron''' instead of '''Megatron (G1)'''. If they have to register to make that simple fix? 9 times out of 10 that kind of fix will not get done.
::::# The problem 'disabling anonymous edits' seeks to fix- trolls- will not be solved. We already have trolls who register for accounts-- right now we don't even require an e-mail address. So ''next'' to combat Troll,s we'll require all accounts to have e-mail addresses. Then we'll require those e-mails be ''verified'', then maybe we'll set up a system where new users have to be ''approved'' like so many online communities before they can use their account. IP Tracking! Requiring Persistent Cookies! Each and ''any'' of these steps makes the online experience just a little bit more unpleasant for the user (and each hoop to jump throuhg makes new users just a little disinclined to join) but none of them actually stops trolls! Clear your cache, sign up for a yahoo account and you're up and running again. The trolls that regularly bother TT1 have already demonstrated they are willing to go to these lengths to evade bans. I am opposed to any measure that would punish the general body of users (registered and non) to deal with trolls. I am '''strongly''' opposed to any measure that would punish users and '''not''' deal with trolls, which is what this promises to do.

::::And seriously- while I'm tickled to death to know that the 'wikia community developer' has been attracted to communities that place restrictions on their users, I'm not thrilled to see someone who's not part of the community lobbying that we become more insular. I think changing TT1 to a UI that's different from Wikipedia makes the site harder to use (both for new users, and for users who make contributions to multiple wikis) is an objectively bad decision that was made with little discussion because 'it looks better.' And I really dislike that this was done while everyone was gone at Botcon and it was impossible to form a quorum for proper discussion. Monorail guy dances into town and starts making global changes that he thinks 'make more sense' without understanding that [http://transformers.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Megatron_Rising_-_Part_2&action=history they were that way for a reason], and his whims would require massive secondary cleanup effort to enact. I don't think someone who's not a participating member of this community should be initiating that kind of change, or throwing his weight behind them for them while 'polling for consensus. On a more fundamental level- I'm suspicious about external voices telling us how we should be running this wiki, because sooner or later they're gong to tell us The Funny Should Go.
::::I feel the burden of proof is on the other side here-- show that there will be a concrete and measurable improvement to the wiki by disabling anonymous edits that will NOT place an unnecessary burden on users. -[[User:75.168.112.43|75.168.112.43]] 12:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::''"You assume I don't have an account."'' Well, then, please tell us why you aren't willing to use it. I'm truly curious. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:04, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::More to the point, the IP address 75.168.112.43 has only made 10 contributions to this wiki, of which only 4 are of actual substance. Your comments will carry more weight if you tell us which long-established editor you in fact ''are.'' Otherwise, ''you<nowiki>'</nowiki>re'' the "external voice telling us how we should be running this wiki". [[User:JW|JW]] 13:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::I oppose to disable anonymous edit, too. I was once a anonymous user . If the anonymous edit is disabled, that would mean we close the door for many potential users-to-be. Though I hate anonymous vandalizing, which is really a problem. But any bad anonymous user can get an account to vandalize, too. ''Urgh''.--[[User:TX55|TX55]] 13:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The Funny Should Definitely Not Go. The reason why I've been hanging out on this wiki lately is because I like it -- specifically, because I like the Funny. I don't want to annoy people or screw stuff up; I'm just trying to help out in ways that I know how to help.

I didn't unilaterally change the skin... If you look above, the conversation about the skin started on April 7th. On Thursday, I asked if there were any more comments before I switched it over. The only response was from ItsWalky, who indicated that it would be okay. I've been keeping an eye on the stats -- the number of edits, registrations and pageviews have all gone up since the wiki switched to Monaco. (Saturday was the highest single day for registrations on the wiki since January.)

As I said, anonymous edits is totally a community decision. I just wanted to let you know that it's an option if the community wants it. It's a long-term discussion, and I don't have an interest in pushing it one way or the other. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 14:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:I would be against restricting edits to registered members. This wiki already has a reputation in the Transformers community as alledgedly being the playground for a very specific group of fans. Restricting edits will only further this perception. But more importantly:

:*I tend to agree that if one has no intention of making significant edits, but very occassionally fixes minor mistakes that one sees, then one shouldn't be forced to register to do so.

:*Some of us would prefer not to login while accessing the wiki at school or at work. Yeah, we have our reasons.

:*Chris McFeely, one of our staff members, sometimes has trouble logging onto the wiki when he's not at home, so if we restrict edits to logged-in users, he can't make any contributions if he happens to have free time while out and about.

:*Good anonymous editors sometimes eventually become registered members if they find they enjoy making the edits and would to participate in the little community we have.

:*Trolls and vandals who go to the effort of being repeat offenders will not be scared off by a registration process. I think we'll find that these people have ''alot'' of free time on their hands. Even more than I do!

:--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

:I'd be more willing to believe that the increase in edits on Saturday was due to the new skin if Saturday didn't happen to be the day most of the BotCon panels were held. Those give us a lot of new information that needs to be added to the wiki. Plus, two (or three) new episodes were shown that morning: Return of the Headmaster in the US, Mission Accomplished in Canada, and Collect and Save at Botcon. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 15:46, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

::No kidding. You could've changed the site to pink-and-purple polka dots, and traffic still would've increased this weekend, with everyone fighting to be the first to add all the new scraps of information from the convention. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:05, 28 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

File:Templateximage.JPG

2008-04-29T03:46:27Z

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Jeff Glen Bennett

2008-04-29T02:57:49Z

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[[Image:JeffBennett1.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]

'''Jeffrey Glen Bennett''' (born October 6, 1962) is an American voice actor. One of the more popular voice actors out there, Jeff Bennett has been a consistent performer on various productions since the early 1990's. Some of his most notable roles include Kyle Katarn from the ''Star Wars: Dark Forces'' games from LucasArts, Owen and Brooklyn on ''Disney's Gargoyles'', the title character from ''Johnny Bravo'', Blitz from ''Road Rovers'', Dexter's Dad from ''Dexter's Laboratory'', and the Huntsman, Lord Bravery and Candlejack from ''Freakazoid!'' among oth

==Transformers Animated==
*[[Angry Archer]]
*[[Captain Fanzone]]
*[[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]
*[[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]]

==External Links==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0071818/ Jeff Bennett at IMDB]

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Primus

2008-04-28T09:08:11Z

Spriteless: /* Fleer and DK */ I think recursion is funny.

[[Image:PrimusG1.jpg|300px|thumb|That's MISTER God to you.]]

'''Primus''' is [[Unicron]]'s sibling, and the creator god of the [[Transformer]]s. His body is the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], and the mega-computer [[Vector Sigma]] serves as his internal mainframe. Though he rarely meddles in the affairs of his creations, he has gifted a portion of his lifeforce within the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], which determines the [[Prime (rank)|leader]] of the [[Autobot]]s. Prophecies of a war to come were written down in his [[Covenant of Primus|holy covenant]] as well. The [[spark]] of each Transformer is a small piece of Primus's essence, and together they form his lifeforce, the [[Allspark]].

{{quote|Until all are one!|Primus to his children|"[[Trap]]"}}

==In the beginning==

[[Image:Primus_original.jpg|thumb|left|Hold the sword and say, "I am the Protector of the Universe!"]]

Before the dawn of time, Order and Chaos existed within an extradimensional entity known as the [[One]]. To explore the fledging universe, he created the astral being known as [[Unicron]], and then subdivided him, creating his twin, Primus. Both brothers were multiversal singularities, unique in all realities, but whereas Unicron could only exist in one dimension at a time, moving between them at will, Primus existed simultaneously in all realities at once. It is suggested, in fact, that the two brothers embody the basic concepts of reality - good and evil, order and chaos - and that their continued existence is necessary for the stability of the multiverse.

[[Image:Primusoriginal.jpg|thumb|right|"No, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is ''[[RIBFIR|blue]]''!"]]

As Unicron and Primus went about their appointed task, venturing through the cosmos, it became apparent to Primus that Unicron was a corrupt being, and he took it upon himself to stop the threat posed to all of existence by his sibling. In combat, Primus was no match for Unicron. In cunning, however, he proved himself to his brother's superior when he shifted their battle to the astral plane, and then back to the physical world once more, only to have both their essences manifest within metallic planetoids, leaving them both trapped. It was with this act of sacrifice that Primus hoped to contain Unicron's evil forever. Unfortunately for him, over time, Unicron learned to psionically shape his prison into a giant metallic planet, and Primus followed suit, becoming the mechanical world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. When Unicron then learned to transform his planetary form even further, into a gigantic robot form, Primus adapted the idea to suit his own ends - rather than transforming his own body, he would create small beings that would be able to change their shape, like Unicron. After performing a "test run" on the moon of [[Protos]], where he successfully created [[Covenant|twelve transforming robotic beings]], {{storylink|Herald, Covenant, Schism, Paradox|Covenant}} he birthed from his own body a group of thirteen robots that possessed the ability to change shape, like Unicron. These were the [[13 original Transformers]], each one infused with a fragment of Primus's life essence known as a [[spark]].

The Thirteen were Primus's soldiers in his war with Unicron, which came to its seeming end during a climactic battle in which one of the Thirteen, who would forever afterwards be known as the [[Fallen]], betrayed Primus and became an acolyte of Unicron. The battle ended when the Fallen and Unicron were sucked into a black hole and disappeared from reality. With Unicron gone for now, Primus entered an eons-long slumber, his self-imposed sleep preventing Unicron from detecting him through the mental link the brothers shared. The Transformer race grew, and Primus fell into the realm of legend, with a portion of his power, the [[Matrix of Leadership]], handed down through the generations, serving as the Transformers' ever-present link to their creator.

===Evolution of the Primus/Unicron myth===

''The Primus/Unicron backstory has evolved and been rewritten a good number of times since it first originated in the [[Marvel Comics]] series. The version recounted above is the current iteration, which has slowly solidified across a wide swath of media (beginning around the time of [[Armada]]). Before the Primus/Unicron mythos reached its present form it went through several distinct versions in the Marvel G1 comics and elsewhere.''

====Unicron's story====

''The first time we ever heard the Primus/Unicron backstory was in the UK comic continuity, from Unicron himself, in the story [[Legacy of Unicron]], when he recounted it to [[Death's Head]]. Per Unicron's telling of events, he was a primal force of evil at the dawn of the universe, who led a legion of [[Dark Armies]] against his mortal foe, Primus, Lord of the [[Light Gods]] (note the plural). Events proceeded to play out basically as described above, though the role of the Light Gods and Dark Armies would diminish with each subsequent retelling of the story, until the current version, in which Primus and Unicron are alone, and have a unique origin. (Only one of the other gods was ever named - the [[Chronarchitect]]. How exactly he factors into the current iteration of the myth is unknown.)''

====The Keeper's story====

''The second time the story was told was in the US book by the [[Keeper]], an ancient mechanoid who guarded Primus's head at the center of Cybertron. This telling is effectively the same as the previous UK story, but mentions that their battle was towards the end of the era of gods, that Primus and Unicron were the last of their respective pantheons, and Primus had to defeat Unicron before he could take his place with the other gods in the "[[Omniversal Matrix]]".''

====Primus's story====

''The third time the story was told was also in the US Marvel series, this time by Primus, when he gathered all his children together to prepare for Unicron's coming. It was with this telling that we learned that Unicron predated the current universe, and had destroyed the previous universe which existed before the current one. He had slept peacefully, alone in the void of uncreation that remained, until fragments of the old universe that he had overlooked reacted, causing the Big Bang and birthing the current universe. The "sentient core" of this new universe recognized the threat that Unicron posed, and so created Primus to counter his evil and be guardian of the new creation.''

====Fleer and DK====

[[Image:WarWithinPrimus.jpg|left|thumb|150px|I feel prickly...]]
''The first modern retelling of the origins of Primus and Unicron did not come from G1-oriented media, but from a set of ''[[Armada]]'' trading cards released by Fleer. It was the backstory printed on Unicron's card which introduced the concept of the two being brothers created to explore the new universe by an extradimensional entity, here named the "[[Allspark]]."''

''This was subsequently expanded on and combined with aspects of the various Marvel Comics stories in [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]], published by Dorling Kindersley and written by [[Simon Furman]], who had written all three prior tellings in the first place. Here, the entity Fleer had called the "Allspark" was redubbed "[[One|The One]]," and the modern iteration of the myth detailed above was firmly established, and went on to form the backbone of subsequent fiction such as ''[[Universe]]'' and [[Fun Publications]]' ''[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' comics.''

''It was also at this point that it was established that Primus could transform from Cybertron into a robot mode like Unicron, but preferred not to, choosing to remain connected to the universe on a planetary level.''

''The [[Transformers (2007)|movie continuity]] appears to retcon this retcon by having Cybertron and Transformer life be created by the [[All Spark]] cube.''

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==Generation 1==

===Marvel Comics continuity===

[[Image:Primalscream.jpg|right|thumb|KHHHHHAAAAANNNNN!]]

Eventually, millions of years later, in [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|one version]] of Generation 1 continuity, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]], and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] found themselves transported to the center of Cybertron, where they discovered the sleeping form of Primus and were told the tale of his and the Transformers' origins by the Keeper. Subsequently, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]'s [[Pretender]]s attacked, and during the battle, a laser blast ricocheted off Grimlock and struck the essence of the sleeping Primus, causing a multiverse-shaking "Primal Scream" that woke Unicron and alerted him to Primus's location. Primus himself immediately slipped back into his sleep, but it was too late. {{storylink|Primal Scream}}

[[Image:Emirate_prmus.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Form blazing god!]]

Unicron dispatched a group of [[Hook, Line, and Sinker|heralds]] to attack Cybertron and pave the way for his coming, including a [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] plucked from an [[Rhythms of Darkness!|alternate future]]. Galvatron, however, was not content to serve under Unicron, and instead captured Autobot leader [[Emirate Xaaron]], forcing him to fully awaken Primus, who possessed Xaaron's body and summoned Transformers from all across the universe back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Out of Time!}} Primus intended for all his children to battle Unicron together, but when the planet-eater arrived, sheer terror prevented them from carrying out his desire. Primus instead made a stand himself, attempting to dupe Unicron into believing he still retained his full power, but Unicron saw through the deception, and destroyed Xaaron's body. [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] subsequently used the Matrix, the full measure of Primus's power, to destroy Unicron. {{storylink|On the Edge of Extinction!}} His body in this universe obliterated, Unicron moved on to another dimension, to ravage other worlds, and make further attempts on Cybertrons throughout the multiverse.

''('''Note:''' As originally written, it is quite clear that the story intends for Primus to have died after his battle with Unicron. As the current retcon makes it clear that this cannot possibly be, one must assume that Prime was wrong in his analysis that Primus had died. Notably, even in the original comics themselves, the Matrix - the life-force of Primus - is shown to still exist and is functioning fine in the G2 Marvel Comics series that follows his supposed death.)''

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===Animated continuity===

Primus did not exist in the Generation 1 cartoon as it was originally written. There, Cybertron's oldest revealed status was as a factory world of the [[Quintesson]]s who invented the Transformers, and Unicron was created by the ancient genius [[Primacron]]. The animated continuity is, then, easily the fiction that is least compatible with the subsequent retcon that establishes Primus as a multiversal singularity and part of all Transformers universe, although [[Disclosure|Wreckers #3]] did attempt to retcon the Primus mythology into the Quintesson-creation backstory of the original cartoon.

==Beast Era==

===''Beast Wars''/''Beast Machines''===

In addition to its occasional invocation in prayer or in righteous anger by the Beast Warriors, Primus's name was also leant to a set of propehtical datatrax, known as the [[Covenant of Primus]]. From this document, the [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] of this era took his name (as did, presumably, the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]), and the scriptures foretold the events which completed the [[Beast Wars]]. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

After the Beast Wars, Megatron intended to incorporate Primus's essence, the [[Allspark (dimension)|Allspark]], into his own being and become godlike by stealing every [[Spark]] of every Transformer on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege}} Ultimately, this was merely one step of the [[Oracle]]'s plan to reformat Cybertron into a [[technorganic]] paradise. After Megatron and Optimus Primal were plunged into the planet's core, the planet was reborn and the abducted Sparks were returned to new technorganic bodies. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future}}

===''Universe''===

[[Image:TFUPrimus.jpg|right|thumbnail|[[Alpha Trion|Alpha]], [[Unicron|Rita]]'s escaped! Recruit a [[Children of Primus|team of teenagers with attitude]]!]]

Following the recreation of Cybertron as a technorganic world, [[Unicron]] began gathering Transformers from across the multiverse, forcing them to fight and harvesting the [[Spark]]s of the losers to restore his power. With each spark devoured, Primus was weakened, and so, communing with Autobot elder [[Alpha Trion]], called back from the Allspark the now-legendary Maximal commander and Cybertron's savior, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]], to rescue the possessed, battling captives from the Pit of Unicron -- and to lead a team of multiversal warriors to put a stop to his soul-stealing scheme before it could cause the Allspark to collapse.

Primus allowed Optimus Primal to choose any Transformer who ever existed -- living or dead -- for his army. This required considerable amounts of Primus's power, so Primal was told to choose sparingly. Primal chose his departed former troops [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and [[Depth Charge]]. Ultimately, however, Unicron's defeat came not as a result of their efforts, but as a consequence of another battle, happening in another corner of the Transformers multiverse.

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==Unicron Trilogy==

===Energon===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Ron Halder]] (English), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japanese)
[[Image:Primus_eng.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Primus mistakes Kicker for a Japanese schoolgirl.]]

In the Unicron Trilogy universe, Primus made was introduced as the living energy core of Cybertron, as well as the originator of the precious and ancient fuel, [[energon]]. Transformers of this universe believed the stories of Unicron, Primus, and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] to be only myth and legend until the existence of Unicron was revealed in the "Unicron Battles" of 2010. With Cybertron left in a disastrous state after the chaos-bringer's attack, large amounts of Energon were required to repair the planet, and to search for and acquire the mineral, the united Autbot-Decepticon forces entered into an alliance with the Earth Federated Government.

Primus entered into the equation when the project's head scientist, [[Dr. Brian Jones]], brought his son, [[Kicker]], to Cybertron. Terrified of the giant robots surrounding him, Kicker fled, only find himself tumbling through tunnels into a hidden chamber deep beneath Cybertron's surface. Primus awoke and saved Kicker from what would have been a fatal fall, and for his own reasons, imbued the child with a special gift - the ability to detect energon throughout the universe. [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] subsequently discovered Kicker in Primus's chamber, and the god chose to work with the Transformers quite directly, imbuing them with the "Spark of Combination," which would allow the Autobots to combine and increase their powers. Primus went on to advise Optimus Prime on his actions in order to prepare for the future, including the Terrorcon invasion, the return of [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], and the next battle with Unicron; although vague at times, he would offer just enough information to allow his children to survive the threats they faced. Primus was often very weak due to the damage done to the planet's surface, and spent most of his time in a mode of stasis to preserve his energy and keep Cybertron's energy grid online.

When Megatron succeeded in reanimating Unicron, most of the Autobot army was critically wounded in the ensuing battle. This prompted the sleeping Primus to awaken and infuse their armor with his power, upgrading them into new forms, and allowing Optimus Prime and Omega Supreme to combine into a gigantic form and defeat Unicron. {{storylink|Unicron Perishes}} Unicron's spark survived, however, and Primus sought to contain it by trapping it at the heart of a new sun that he created from a reservoir of "super energon" hidden within Cybertron. {{storylink|The Sun}}

===Cybertron===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Michael Donovan]] (English), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japanese)

[[Image:Map-Primus.jpg|right|thumbnail|200px|If Unicron is Galactus, does that mean that Primus is Ego, The Living Planet?]]

Primus's plan to contain Unicron's essence in the center of the sun failed when the star collapsed into a massive [[Unicron Singularity|black hole]] which threatened not only Cybertron and the universe, but the entire multiverse itself. His energy drained to the point that he had once again been rendered dormant, Primus could now only be awakened and restored to full power by the four ancient [[Cyber Planet Key]]s, lost to the far reaches of the galaxy in a failed [[space bridge]] experiment eons ago. The magnitude of the threat posed to the multiverse was enough to summon [[Vector Prime]] - one of the original thirteen Transformers, who had been following Unicron through the multiverse and repairing the damage he had done - back to Cybertron to aid the Autobots in the quest for the keys.

[[Image:Primus Cybertrony.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Oh so prickly...]]

Eventually, despite continued attempts by both Megatron and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] to steal the power of the Cyber Planet Keys, the Autobots were able to gather the keys from [[Velocitron]], the [[Jungle Planet]] and [[Earth]], and brought them and their focusing device, the [[Omega Lock]], back to Cybertron. Coupling these three keys with the power of the Matrix, Optimus Prime was able to initiate Primus's transformation from planet mode to robot mode. Communicating with the Autobots through the [[Mini-Con]], [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]], Primus explained that the destruction of Unicron, the embodiment of the force of evil, had unbalanced the universe, and that only he could seal the black hole and restore order - but to do that, the fourth Cyber Planet Key, from [[Gigantion]], the Giant Planet, was required to reconnect Primus's spark with his body and restore his full power. {{Storylink|Cybertron (Cybertron episode)|Cybertron}}

[[Image:Starscream_Vs_Primus.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Mother...]]

Attempting to retrieve the Omega Lock, [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] made a rather pointless attack on Primus, only to be smacked down hard. {{Storylink|Balance}} Shortly thereafter, when Primus was in the process of channelling some of his power into holding back the ever-growing black hole, Starscream tried again, plunging into the energy beam and absorbing some of Primus's power into himself. Starscream expanded in size until he was as large as Primus himself, but Primus did not take this slight lightly, as he converted Cybertron's moons into a pair of mace weapons and relentlessly pounded Starscream into submission. {{storylink|Titans}}

Eventually, the Autobots were able to acquire the final key, as well as to reactivate the four ancient ships which had carried the keys to the respective worlds ages ago - the [[Atlantis]], the [[Lemuria]], the [[Hyperborea]] and the [[Ogygia]]. Primus fused the four ships together to form the [[Ark (Cybertron)|Ark]], and with his powers subsequently restored by all four keys, he channelled all of his power through the Ark as a beam, straight into the heart of the black hole. With a massive blast, the black hole was finally sealed, and Primus transformed back into Cybertron - not Cybertron has it had been, but a new Cybertron, infused with the differing aspects of Velociton, Jungle Planet, Earth and Gigantion, a true paradise for Transformers and humans alike. {{storylink|End}}

====Fun Publications ''Cybertron'' comic====

While the Autobots were occupied with the quest for the Cyber Planet Keys, Unicron's heralds [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] arrived on Cybertron, intent on unleashing the [[Dead Matrix]] - as the Matrix was the antithesis of Unicron, so too would the Dead Matrix ensure the destruction of Primus, thereby totally destabilizing the multiverse and reducing it to a sea of entropic chaos. For the first time, it would be possible to Unicron to strike at Primus in all realities simultaneously, ending their cosmic feud once and for all.

Ramjet and Nemesis Prime were ultimately stopped by Vector Prime and allies [[Sentinel Maximus]] and [[Omega Prime]], plucked from the midst of the ''Universe'' conflict by the multiverse-warping energies of the black hole. The Dead Matrix, however, was cast into the heart of the black hole by Unicron's servant [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]], freeing Unicron's spark and allowing it to adopt a new, diminutive physical form. Unicron participated in the escalating Mini-Con civil war on Cybertron's moons, but when the planet transformed into Primus's robot mode, Unicron fled. His whereabouts are unknown.

====Kiss Players continuity====

While on an adventure through space and time, the singing group known as the [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]] - natives of the Generation 1 universe - were accidentally scattered across the multiverse, and found themselves in the Unicron Trilogy universe. [[Shaoshao Li]] and [[Zangetsu]] found themselves stranded on the surface of Cybertron, where they were menaced by [[Scrapmetal]]s. Shao was rescued by [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]], who told her that she stood upon Primus himself. Shortly thereafter, with help from [[Vector Prime]], the giant golden hand of the Primus from her native universe took her back home.

== IDW comics continuity ==

As of this writing, neither Unicron nor Primus has appeared in the new [[IDW Publishing|IDW comic universe]]. Writer [[Simon Furman]] has outright said that this universe will have "no Primus. No Unicron", while hinting IDW may be "poking and prodding around the pre-history of the Transformers... the very beginning". [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=2850] IDW publisher [[Chris Ryall]] has also stated "we're also going to do the TF origins this year [2008], too. That one will be called ''The Thirteen''". [http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=12209]

While [[author intent]] on its own could still leave room for an IDW Primus, if the upcoming story has a contradictory origin for the Transformers, that would retcon out the previous retcon, rendering Primus as being once again a feature of only some Transformer continuities. (And then some poor sod would have to heavily edit this article)

It is confirmed that there was ''a'' Primus in some shape or form, as Cybertronians were shown taking his name in vain while under attack in [[Megatron Origin, part 4]]. Furman's explanation for this in his blog is that this is not the G1 Primus, but it is possible there was "something or someone" called Primus at some point. [http://simonfurman.wordpress.com/2008/01/14/all-this-and-devastation-4/]

In the absence of Primus, there were some other interesting things to mention in Cybertronian religion. In the [[Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer]] miniseries, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Scoop]] make mention of [[Primacron]] in an almost religious manner ("Primacron help us" and "Primacron only knows"). [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] claims that there is a spirit of Cybertron which needs to be appeased to restore Cybertron, which one could easily interpret as Primus. However, Bludgeon's idea of appeasing Cybertron was to allow [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] to destroy a bunch of planets in a mass sacrifice, so his sources (and his sanity) are a matter of debate.

==Primus in Japan==

While Primus has been a staple in Western Transformers fiction since 1988, the character has only recently made the leap across the Pacific to take part in the world of Japanese Transformers storylines.

===Unicron Trilogy===

Primus did not exist in Japanese Transformers fiction until he was introduced in ''Superlink'' (''Energon''). Although his nature is not fully divulged in the course of either this series or ''Galaxy Force'' (''Cybertron''), some early ''Superlink'' [http://web.archive.org/web/20041207164548/www.tfpulp.com/archive/energonprod/energonprod.html pre-production notes] go into the specifics of Primus's creation. Not particularly in-line with the Western multiversal origin of the character, they present Primus as an entity consisting purely of energon. Energon, the notes state, is the product of the "genetic material" of the sun interacting with planetary bodies - this, then, appears to be a very literal interpretation of Primus's role as a "light god," presenting him as an actual product of the light of the sun.

===Kiss Players/Teletraan Go! Go!===
[[Image:TGGPrimus.jpg|left|thumb|Now you need to get this toy.]]

The Japanese decided at last to introduce a "G1" equivalent of the character in the [[Kiss Players]] fiction of 2007, wholly distinct from the version seen in ''Energon'' and ''Cybertron'', since the character is not a multiversal singularity in Japan. Here, the character was envisioned as part of a complicated retcon that merged various animated concepts - [[Oracle (G1)|Primacron's assistant]], [[Vector Sigma]] and the [[Oracle]] - into one singular entity, who was also Primus.

Formerly the assistant to the Primacron, the ancient genius who created the giant mechanoid Unicron, the robotic being known as the Oracle was badly damaged when Unicron rebelled against his creator. His essence fled to a dead world at the centre of the galaxy, which he used his powers to transform into a verdant, green planet. This world was eventually discovered by the alien Quintessons, and the Oracle was captured and transformed into the mega-computer, [[Vector Sigma]]. The Oracle's world was transformed into the metallic planet of Cybertron, his powers were harnessed by the Quintessons to create the races of robots that would eventually become the Transformers, and the shell that had held his essence became the Matrix of Leadership.

[[Image:TGGPrimus2.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Primus = Oracle = Vector Sigma = Primacron's Assistant = aaaargh.]]

Eons later, in the year 2007, three of Unicron's servants, the [[Sparkbot]]s, co-opted the human singing group, the [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]], into helping them gather up the scattered [[Angolmois|essence]] of their master following his destruction in 2005. The three girls - [[Marissa Faireborn]], [[Atari Hitotonari]] and [[Shaoshao Li]] - were taken on a journey through space and time, and were tricked into believing that they were recovering fragments of the so-called "Allspark" from [[Autobot]] or [[Maximal]] leaders throughout history. The Oracle - by this stage calling himself Primus - was forced to intervene, appearing as a giant golden hand which began to steal away the fragments before the Kiss Players could gather them. Pursuing him across the multiverse, the Kiss Players collided with the [[Wall of Time]] and were scattered across dimensions.

Primus rescued the girls from the Unicron Trilogy universe and revealed the Sparkbots' deception, before transforming into his "golden ark" mode (which Shaoshao thought looked more like a camper truck) to pursue the three villains back in time to prehistoric Earth. They arrived just in time to witness the Sparkbots' successful restoration of Unicron to life, but Primus transformed once more and unleashed the power of his mobile cannon platform, destroying Unicron's energy and sealing it and the Sparkbots deep within the planet. To ensure that Unicron would never be freed again, he created a mighty guardian, [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Fortress Maximus]], who would watch over it and the Earth. With the battle over, Shaoshao asked about the Kiss Players' future, but Primus did not reply. His work complete, the god transformed into a golden sphere and went to sleep.

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''God Primus''' (2004)
[[Image:GodPrimus1.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Popemobile, meet Godtruck]][[Image:GodPrimus2.jpg|right|thumb|150px|The Rod God.]]
:Unbeknowst to many Western fans, the first Primus figure was a "[[Lucky Draw]]" toy in Japan, a [[Vacuum metalizing|vacuum metalized]] gold chrome recolored [[Rodimus Prime]] that was given away as a contest prize from the collector book, ''[[Transformers: Generations]]''. Supposedly, only 100 pieces of these lucky draw figures were manufactured.
:As a [[redeco]] of a Rodimus (no doubt inspired by the resemblance of his astral form to Rodimus in the UK comics), Primus transforms into a futuristic truck resembling nothing so much as a winnebago. Following the trend started by Optimus Prime, his trailer splits down the middle to transform into a battle station with an extending double-barrelled cannon. The figure comes with a large, hand-held blaster, and two blast-shield accessories that plug into the sides of his battle station cannon.

===Cybertron===
*'''Cybertron Primus''' (Supreme, 2006)
: ''Japanese ID number:'' '''C-00'''

[[Image:Cybertron_Primus_toy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images.]]

:Cybertron Primus is the first toy representation of the Transformers' creator as their home planet of Cybertron. In planet mode, he is considerably more detailed than [[Unicron]] from the ''Armada'' line, with visible cities, including [[Iacon]], based upon its appearance in the [[DK Books]] ''[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]]'', and [[Kaon]] as seen in ''[[The War Within]]''. On the 'bottom' of the planet mode there are four hard rubber legs, molded to be shaped like towers, allowing Primus to be displayed in planet mode, yet not require a flat base as Unicron did.

:Primus's transformation is unusual, in many ways similar to a [[Powermaster]], in that he requires the owner to insert his accompanying Omega Lock accessory into several special ports around the planet, then manipulate it to unlock his parts and transform him. When the Omega Lock is inserted into his back and pushed, a transforming sound is heard. When it is inserted into his chest and pushed up to reveal his head, his eyes glow red and a laser-type sound effect is heard. The Lock itself lights up red when it is inserted into any of the ports.

:In robot mode, Primus resembles both the ''[[Beast Wars Neo]]'' Unicron prototype as well as [[Don Figueroa]]'s Primus concept, created for ''The War Within'' and used in ''The Ultimate Guide''. He is bristling with weaponry, including two shoulder-mounted cannons that can fire missiles, two forearm blasters that raise and extend when a Cyber Power Key is inserted, and several banks of [[wikipedia:Gatling_gun|gatling guns]], lasers and missile launchers in his shins and legs revealed by the Omega Lock.

:Primus also has what might charitably be called a third mode - an intergalactic world-ship, which is basically formed by transforming the figure halfway and leaving the head down and the legs backward. It features no dedicated parts or transformation steps, making it very obvious that it was created after the fact.It looks kinda like The Starship Enterprise...backwards.

:Primus comes with two accessories, the aforementioned battery-operated Omega Lock that lights up red when inserted into any of the four Omega Lock ports, and a special silver Cybertron-Planet Cyber Power Key. Any four Cyber Planet Keys can be inserted into the four key slots at the base of the Omega Lock, though doing this does not activate any feature. There are also nine inactive Mini-Con [[powerlinx]] ports on the Primus figure, including two on the claws on his legs.

:In North America, limited early-run versions of Cybertron Primus came packaged with a very creepy "battle damaged" Unicron head based upon his Armada appearance.

:A later version, [[exclusive]] to Wal-Mart as a [[Black Friday]] 2006 special, included four Mini-Cons; [[Strongarm (Cybertron)|Strongarm]], [[Knockdown (Cybertron)|Knockdown]], [[Nightscream (Cybertron)|Nightscream]], and [[Offshoot (Cybertron)|Offshoot]].

{{-}}

==Trivia==
* The original form of Primus in Marvel Comic continuity is similar to [[Hot Rod]] or Rodimus Prime.
* The myth of Primus and Unicron bears a little resemblance to the [[Wikipedia:Zoroastrianism|Zoroastrian]] myth of [[Wikipedia:Ahura Mazda|Ahura Mazda]] and [[Wikipedia:Ahriman|Ahriman]].

==See also==
*[[Allspark]]
*[[Vector Sigma]]

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Talk:Jeff Glen Bennett

2008-04-28T05:24:39Z

Spriteless:

You knw, that, since someone put Candlejack on this page, we should cut it off somewh [[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 17:23, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:I agree. You can't mention Candlejack without something like that happ --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 17:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
::How about not in the middle of the goddamn show name? And maybe an {{m-}}? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:21, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Hyphens ruin the joke.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I need to watch more cartoons, I almost corrected the joke.[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Darth Vader

2008-04-27T02:16:06Z

Spriteless: linky

: ''Darth Vader is a [[human]] in [[Star Wars]].''

[[Image:VaderVsPrime.jpg|right|thumb|250px|"Does Darth Vader have to choke a bitch?" is ''always'' a rhetorical question.]]

'''Darth Vader''' was once a man named '''Anakin Skywalker''' who converted to the dark side. He is possessed of great power, cunning, and speed. Once he called [[Obi-Wan Kenobi]] "master" although the exact nature of that relationship (could such a powerful being have once been a Jedi's slave?) and how it ended remain a mystery. He's been a member of the [[Jedi]] himself, and has been called "the most gifted pilot in the galaxy". He flies a variety of ships, at some point even an odd spherical "[[Death Star]]", all of which can transform into a humanoid robot designed in his own image. Despite all the imposing weapons at his disposal, he is a very powerful man, one of the most powerful masters of the force, in his own right, known to fight [[Transformer|Cybertronians]] ''on foot''.

He is presumably related to the similarly named [[Luke Skywalker]] in some way.

== Fiction ==
{{note|The only fiction the Star Warriors have yet received has sadly been limited to back of package blurbs.}}

Shortly after being converted from his previous beliefs to the [[Sith]] faction, Darth Vader is given the task of crushing all resistance to the [[Emperor Palpatine|Emperor]] across the galaxy. Piloting his new, heavily modified Sith Starfighter and wielding dark power, he morphs his spacecraft into an imposing combat robot.<ref>''Star Wars Transformers'' Darth Vader Sith Starfighter package</ref>

Later, as a sinister Lord of the Sith, Darth Vader is on a mission to crush the Rebels and bring young [[Luke Skywalker]] before the Emperor. Vader combs the galaxy for Skywalker in his TIE Advanced Fighter, another spacecraft that can morph into a humanoid robot, destroying all Rebel ships, pirate fleets, and asteroids that get in his way.<ref>''Star Wars Transformers'' Darth Vader TIE Advanced Fighter package</ref>

Using his advanced TIE mecha once more, Vader participates in a shattering starship battle with his former master. Unable to best his opponent in giant robot combat Darth Vader is forced to fall back on his ship's vehicle mode's missile defenses. Giving us a true sense of their power, we learn that like [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] before them, the conflict between these two powerful force users is enough to rock an entire galaxy.<ref>''Star Wars Transformers'' Darth Vader "Galactic Showdown" set</ref>

==Toys==
===Attacktix===
*'''Intergalactic Showdown''' (Multi-pack, 2006)

:Darth Vader comes in a set with Luke Skywalker, an AT-RT non-humanoid piloted robot with [[Clone Pilot|driver]], [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], and [[Omega Sentinel]].

:Darth Vader also has four other ''[[Attacktix]]'' figures not sold in ''Transformers'' packaging, designated "Starter Set", "Series 1", "Series 2", and "Series 3". The Starter Set figure reveals him to be the same person as Anakin Skywalker!

===Star Wars Transformers===
[[Image:Vader.jpg|right|thumb|What kind of [[wikipedia: Dr. Eggman|egomaniac has the robots he pilots made to look just like him]]?]]

*'''Darth Vader TIE Advanced Fighter''' (2006)

:Darth Vader's first mecha transforms into a [[starwars:TIE Advanced x1|TIE Advanced Starfighter]], featuring twin spring-loaded missile launchers. These missiles become "lightsaber" melee weapons for the robot mode. One of the vehicle mode's solar panel arrays forms a "cape" for the robot mode, the other a large deflector shield. Like all ''Star Wars Transformers'' toys, it comes with a tiny mini-figure of its pilot.

*'''Anakin (Skywalker) Starfighter''' (2006)

:A [[redeco]] and [[retool]]ing of the Obi-Wan Jedi Starfighter, Anakin's mech transforms into an [[starwars:Eta-2 Actis-class interceptor|Eta-2 Actis interceptor]] with twin spring-loaded "lightsaber" missile launchers, and flip-up [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/S-foils S-foils].

:This mold was also retooled to make a new Vader ship as well as [[Mace Windu]]'s craft.

*'''Darth Vader Sith Starfighter''' (2006)

:Another incarnation of the Eta-2 mold, this one has been retooled into Anakin's new persona as Darth Vader. It retains all of the same gimmicks as previous versions of the mold.

*'''Darth Vader/Death Star''' (2007)

:The imposing, sole Supreme-class figure of the ''Star Wars Transformers'' toyline, this gigantic Darth Vader mech transforms into the [[Planet Buster|planet destroying]] Death Star. Featuring excellent [[articulation]], it has ratchet joints at the shoulders, elbows, hips, and knees, with swivel joints taking up the remaining few. In both modes, it has a spring loaded missile launcher that fires a small, translucent green projectile. It also features lights and sounds, with several clips taken from the movie. In robot mode, it has a seriously gigantic light saber. Taped inside the package is a cloth cape which can be attached to the back of the figure in robot mode (be careful not to throw it away).

:Like all figures in the ''Star Wars Transformers'' line, it comes with a pilot figure of the character the toy depicts. Additionally, it comes with three more figures, all of which are generic Storm Troopers. Three TIE Fighters are also included, which also have a Mech Mode. Oddly, the instructions and description on the box refer to them as [[Mini-Con]]s. In both modes, panels on the back open to reveal storage compartments for the pilots and TIE Fighters, while in Mech mode there are several smaller compartments on the legs and shoulders for the pilots.

:The instructions give no suggestion as to where to put the lightsaber in vehicle mode, though there is plenty of empty space inside. Additionally, the compartments on either side of the back are barely large enough to accommodate more than one TIE at a time without disassembling the solar arrays.

*'''Galactic Showdown''' (2007)

: A redeco of the TIE Advanced Fighter in a brighter white (really bringing the black parts out), this version of Vader comes in a Wal-Mart [[exclusive]] two-pack with a redeco of the Obi-Wan Kenobi Jedi Starfighter.

==References==
{{reflist}}
==External links==
*[[starwars:Anakin Skywalker|Darth Vader at Wookieepedia]]

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Eurythma

2008-04-25T05:07:38Z

Spriteless: bypass disambig

:''Eurythma is a planet in the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

The planet''' Eurythma''' is inhabited by a [[human]] culture built entirely around music. Among their achievements is a three-part harmony of incredible destructive power.

The inhabitants of Eurythma speak in a constant, lilting sing-song manner. Oddly, though they seem to be speaking perfectly understandable "English" (or whatever the common galactic language is), of all the Transformers who land on Eurythma, only [[Blaster]] and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], with their affinity for sound and music, seemed capable of understanding Eurythmians and constantly have to translate what the natives are saying to non-sing-song for the others.

[[Category: Generation 1]]
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Talk:Function

2008-04-25T05:00:39Z

Spriteless: asdfjkl;

I don't know if these are necessarily hardcoded into a Cybertronian. After all, who manufactures someone with a function of "Criminal Overlord"?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, Function is a label that appears in character bios, but whether it's actually the "primary duty programmed into each Transformer" is not clear, and almost certainly varies on a case by case basis. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::Not to mention we hate huge-ass lists.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
FUNCTION: SHARK. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:HX just gave me an idea. Why not make this a proper article, as we've done with [[tech spec]] and [[bio]], while still taking the time to ridicule the sheer lunacy of some of the stated functions? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::I have begun the retool.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds goods to me, SFH. And not only are some of the functions nuts, but there's alot of overlapping. @_@ Well, I've been wanting to see an article on Functions, so I finally broke down and started one. Yes, I'm a newbie here. I'll check out the 'how-to-edit' feature...one of these days. [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 02:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
==There is a category==
Should this be the main article for Category:Functions , the master category for all the categories transformers get assigned to based on function. Things like medics, Rulers of Cybertron, pirates, spies, artists... [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 04:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Function

2008-04-25T04:58:29Z

Spriteless:

I don't know if these are necessarily hardcoded into a Cybertronian. After all, who manufactures someone with a function of "Criminal Overlord"?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:[[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 17:34, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, Function is a label that appears in character bios, but whether it's actually the "primary duty programmed into each Transformer" is not clear, and almost certainly varies on a case by case basis. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:41, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
::Not to mention we hate huge-ass lists.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:50, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
FUNCTION: SHARK. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:HX just gave me an idea. Why not make this a proper article, as we've done with [[tech spec]] and [[bio]], while still taking the time to ridicule the sheer lunacy of some of the stated functions? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::I have begun the retool.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:25, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Sounds goods to me, SFH. And not only are some of the functions nuts, but there's alot of overlapping. @_@ Well, I've been wanting to see an article on Functions, so I finally broke down and started one. Yes, I'm a newbie here. I'll check out the 'how-to-edit' feature...one of these days. [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 02:21, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Should this be the main article for Category:Functions , the master category for all the categories transformers get assigned to based on function. Things like medics, Rulers of Cybertron, pirates, spies, artists... [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 04:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

User:Spriteless

2008-04-25T04:39:52Z

Spriteless: >_> <_< >_>

[[Image:Softimus Prime.jpg|right|thumb|125px|I want a cuddly Transformer to feed my cuddly C'thuhlu!]]I went to make an account and found someone already using my internet name, and a password I know. I wish someone had told me about that before those anon edits.

Feel free to [[reformat|edit me]] if you think it will help. In fact, please do!
==Reasons I don't write fanfiction==
*IDW Megatron needs a human [[targetmaster]] partner, OMG so badly.
*It could be pulled of in the comics, it's been building up to something like that.
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Chro

2008-04-25T04:19:01Z

Spriteless: it's a high quality picture that has him in it at least.

:''Chro is a [[Predacon]] from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Cryotek.jpg|right|thumb|Chro is the one on the left. [[Cryotek]]'s design wasn't cluttered enough, you see.]]
'''Chro''' is a [[targetmaster]] drone.

==Fiction==
===Universe: The Wreckers===

{{charstubfiction}}

==Toys==
===Beast Machines===
*'''Rav''' (Deployer, 2001)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles

[[Image:Rav recolorchro.jpg|thumb]]

: All three [[Deployer]]s were given "running change" [[redeco]]es. This version of Rav is blue and navy blue, and retains all his original features.

: This toy was later fictionally [[retcon]]ned into [[Chro]].

==Trivia==
* The running-change redecoes of the Deployers were originally meant to be renamed as new characters, but ultimately came out with their original names. What happened is unknown, but the name for the Rav redeco "Chro" (or sometimes "Cro") made it into "canon" via retcon in the [[3H]] [[Universe (comic)|''Wreckers'' comics]].

==External Links==
* [http://tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Rav/chro.htm Chro at TFU.info]

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User talk:70.161.246.176

2008-04-24T18:50:39Z

Spriteless:

Stop making pages. Please.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

{{caption bastard}}
{{Previewbutton}}
I noticed you usually have 5 or so edits at once to a page if you have one. Even counting each set as one, you contribute more than me. You'd do well to get an account, if you haven't already. [[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 18:50, 24 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Shadow Striker (Universe)

2008-04-21T22:32:06Z

Spriteless: their sister, as her sister is also her sister's sister, see?

:''Shadow Striker is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:1368419581_l.jpg|thumb|250px|She's a bad mamma jamma!]]

At an early age, '''Shadow Striker''' and her sister [[Roulette]] watched as their sister was destroyed at the hands of nomadic invaders. This tramautic event caused her to realize the difference between those who wielded power and those who *were* power. She grew up to become a criminal who ran constant jobs for the various gangsters on Cybertron, particularly [[Cryotek]].

She's also kind of an airhead.

==Fiction==
===3H ''Universe'' comics===

Shadow Striker, her sister, and fellow Autobots [[Sideswipe_(G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker]] and [[Trailbreaker]] returned to Cybertron after a long absence. The planet's [[Maximal|Maximals]] welcomed them home, but the celebration was interrupted by [[Unicron]], who abducted all five Autobots, as well as the Maximals [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] and [[Blackarachnia]]. Transported to the [[Pit]], deep within the Chaos Bringer, Shadow Striker was physically and mentally tortured, and her body was changed into a new form. Soon she and her fellow abductees were stolen away and locked inside the [[Cauldron]], where they would be forced to fight each other, the loser giving up his or her [[Spark]] to re-energize Unicron. {{storylink|Abduction}}

Although she and many other prisoners were freed by [[Optimus Primal]], Shadow Striker had been corrupted by Unicron's influence. As they raced away from the Cauldron, she sped ahead of them, abruptly turned, and bombed a hole in the road that was leading them away from the pursuing [[Minions of Unicron]]. Primal was nonetheless able to use his link with [[Primus]] to lead his makeshift army to freedom, and Shadow Striker remained behind with the rest of Unicron's Minions. {{storylink|Escape}}

===Fun Publications ''Cybertron'' comics===
When Unicron's defeat at the hands of [[Optimus Primal]]'s [[Children of Primus]] is revealed, Shadow Striker's fate is not. Though Shadow Striker is unseen, Roulette's downcast expression as she and her comrades escape from their victory suggests an unhappy ending. {{storylink|Revelations, Part 2}}

==Toys==
===Universe===
*'''Roulette & Shadow Striker''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
Two identical molds with different decos that are both [[retool|retools]] of the [[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]] [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] toy.

==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/ShadowStriker/shadowstriker.htm Shadow Striker at TFU.info]

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Blackarachnia (Animated)

2008-04-18T00:07:01Z

Spriteless: I like it better succent and short.

{{disambig2|the ''Transformers Animated'' character|the Beast Era character|Blackarachnia (BW)}}
{{disambig3|Elita One}}

:''Blackarachnia is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

:[[Image:AniBlackarachniaPromoModel.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Welcome to [[wikipedia:Goth Talk|Goth Talk]]!]]

'''Blackarachnia''' hates her techno-organic beast mode with a passion. Once she was an [[Autobot Academy]] cadet, but when she was abandoned on an alien world by her [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|former]] [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|teammates]], she was forced to adapt to the monstrous organic lifeforms that inhabited the world. Now she is trapped between organic and machine, unable to take a new form. The experience fueled a newfound hatred of the [[Autobot]]s and a quest for revenge that led her to join [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] in his war against them, but she doesn't appear to hold any real loyalty toward him. Her hatred of her organic body is driving her insane, and she will do ''anything'' to get rid of it, no matter whom she has to crush in her path.

By stabbing other mechanoids with the spider legs projecting over her shoulders, she has the unique ability to download and mimic their traits and weaponry for a limited amount of time. Hope nobody told [[Lockdown]].

Blackarachnia acts differently around robots of the "opposite sex" depending on faction; she's bitting and sarcastic towards the Decepticons, but seductive and manipulative towards the Autobots. However, these appear to be but shells worn by a being who desperately wants to be normal again.

{{quote|It'll be a long time before I ever trust another Autobot. Especially you, Optimus.|Blackarachnia|"[[Along Came a Spider]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Transformers Animated'' cartoon===
{{ongoing}}
:''Voice actor:'' [[Cree Summer]] (English), [[Christin Marquitan]] (German)

[[Image:Elita-1-001.jpg|left|100px|thumb|Optimus, Optimus. Wherefore art thou Optimus?]]
Blackarachnia was previously known as '''Elita-1'''. A thousand [[Units of time|stellar cycles]] ago Elita and her teammates, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)| Optimus Prime]] and [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], were exploring an alien world, looking for a Decepticon ship filled with [[energon]]. They accidentally fell into a series of caves. They were ambushed by giant spiders and, when escaping the massive energon explosion caused by the battle, Elita ended up being left behind. When she tried using her ability to borrow powers from other beings, she was injected by the spiders' venom, turning her into the hideous freak she is now. Because of her new, semi-organic nature, her signal did not appear on Optimus's radar, leading him and Sentinel to believe that she had perished in the explosion. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

When the [[All Spark (Animated)|All Spark]] was found by a group of Autobots, Blackarachnia was aboard the [[Nemesis (Animated)|''Nemesis'']] with the other Decepticons, annoyed at [[Lugnut]]'s emphatic, vocal loyalty to Megatron. She even suggested that Lugnut's speech of praise was hardwired into his mind. She also had conflict with [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]], who touched a sore point by insulting her organic mode. Her retort to "blow it out your actuator, three-face" angered Blitzwing to the point that he...began to express his feelings in song. Later, at Megatron's orders, she scanned the Autobots' ship to determine the nature of their high-energy cargo. She confirmed the Autobots were carrying the All Spark, or at least something just as powerful. When the Autobots escaped and it became clear the ''Nemesis'' was going to crash into an exploding space bridge, Blackarachnia fled in an escape pod. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

[[Image:Blackarach anim beast.jpg|right|thumb|200px|The Itsy Bitchy Spider crawled up the water spout...]]

Later, she stalked [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], and [[Sari Sumdac|Sari]] on Halloween night. After she took out Bumblebee and Bulkhead, she started lying to Sari, who, even after her encounter with [[Starscream (Animated)| Starscream]], still couldn't recognize a Decepticon. Fortunately, Optimus came along, but Blackarachnia kidnapped Sari and started web-swinging.

After she got to the top of a skyscraper, Prime tried to fight her, only to realize at last who she was. Blackarachnia tried to use Sari's All Spark [[Sari Sumdac's Key|key]] to become fully mechanical. However, the energies unleashed caused any organic life in range, including Sari (and presumably any other [[Human|fleshy]]) to shrivel and sicken. It almost killed Blackarachnia, but Optimus Prime pulled the key out, restoring the organics. Prime tried to reason with "Elita", asking her to come with them in the hopes of curing her, but Blackarachnia stabbed him, saying that it would be a long time before she trusted him again. After she knocked out Prime, she cried her four eyes out. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

Later, she again kidnapped Sari, who was running away after having the key taken away from her. When she heard about the key and how Sari felt totally mistrusted by the Autobots, Blackarachnia played on the girl's sympathies by saying she knew how Sari felt. BA noted how she was not a Decepticon until after the Autobots turned their backs on her, and how the All Spark's power was the only thing that could cure her current form. Despite being kidnapped again and nearly being killed by BA's previous use of the key, Sari appeared to start seeing eye to eye with her captor. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part I}}

At least, that was what she wanted Blackarachnia to believe. Leading her around in circles over the frozen Lake Erie, Sari was finally forced to admit that the ''Ark'', which contained the All Spark, was underwater. Blackarachnia's organic half couldn't survive the icy underwater; incensed she prepared to kill Sari. [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] brought the ship up through the ice, and Sari bit Blackarachnia's hand, showing that her organic half couldn't withstand teeth, causing her to drop Sari and allow Ratchet to grab her and get in the ship. As Blackarachnia tried to force the door open, the ''Ark'' accelerated, and Blackarachnia thrown off the ship. Here's hoping her organic half can survive hard impacts. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part II}}

{{-}}

==Toys==
===Animated===

*'''Blackarachnia''' (Deluxe, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Grapnel-hook

[[Image:Blackarachniaanimateddeluxe.jpg|left|thumb|250px|Hideously mutated into this sexy, sexy figure.]]
:Blackarachnia transforms into a mechanical spider with some organic aesthetic. She comes with a [[wiktionary:grapnel|grapnel]] hook accessory.
{{-}}
{{comingsoontoy}}

{{-}}
==Trivia==
* Her head is actually a helmet that was lying around in the wrecked Decepticon warship where she had her accident. It is possible she is actually wearing that same helmet to spare other Transformers (or herself) from looking at her freakish, spidery face.
* Blackarachnia can swing off of tall, unseen buildings, with webbing that shoots out of her hands. Wow, we've never seen that befo{{m-}} [[Spider-Man|wait a minute...]]
* Her Elita-1 form seems to be based on Ariel, the pre-reformatting version of [[Elita One|G1 Elita]].

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2008-04-17T02:24:15Z

Spriteless: /* Searchbox improvement drive */ My 2 cents...

Denise Mora

2008-04-16T06:42:31Z

Spriteless: /* Generation 1 */ That article doesn't exist and I secretly hope it never does.

{{picsneeded}}

'''Denise Mora''' is an American actor. She also appeared in ''Beasties''. No, not [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|that ''Beasties'']].

==Voice roles==
===Generation 1===
* [[The Face of the Nijika|Nijika]]

==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0602270/ Denise Mora at the Internet Movie Database]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Mora, Denise}}
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The Face of the Nijika

2008-04-16T06:41:13Z

Spriteless: /* Miscellaneous trivia */ This looks better

{{picsneeded}}

[[Image:PerceptorNijika01.jpg|thumb|350px|right|This is the last time I let [[Kup]] take me on an [[energon]] binge.]]
{{episodenav|g1|season=3|27|prev=Call of the Primitives|next=The Burden Hardest to Bear}}

'''The Autobots discover a race of aliens who have also experienced persecution from the Quintessons.'''

==Detailed synopsis==
[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]], who is carrying [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], detects a disturbance nearby and discovers [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] bashing on some strange disk. They also detect a [[Quintesson]] [[Quintesson spacecraft|ship]] heading for that same location. Perceptor speculates that the Quintessons don't want Galvatron meddling with the disk, so Rodimus decides to meddle with the [[Decepticon]]s and the Quintessons.

At the disk, Galvatron continues bashing away, taking a moment to bash [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] when he warns the [[Decepticon leader]] that the Quintessons are approaching. The Quintessons fire at Galvatron and are thankful that the [[quadrant lock]] is not damaged. However, the [[Autobot]]s then arrive. The Quintessons refuse to let the Autobots learn anything about the lock...unless, say, they learn from the other side. Opening the lock, the Quintessons drive their ship through, taking Rodimus, Magnus, Blurr, and Perceptor with them. Unwilling to let the Autobots learn its secrets, Galvatron throws Cyclonus at them so he is also drawn through the lock, which closes. Unfortunately for the Quints, their [[isolator key]] has been damaged, and it is the only thing that can open the quadrant lock. However, Perceptor has a [[universal emulator]], which could serve as a replacement.

Falling into the gravity well of the nearby planet [[Zamojin (planet)|Zamojin]], Perceptor announces that he is suffering from [[transformation]] [[transformation paralysis|paralysis]], and is stuck in [[alternate mode|microscope mode]]. However, the other Autobots do not respond. On the planet, members of a primitive, humanoid civilization see their descent. One man declares that the "[[Quintesson|devils]]" have returned. However, a blacksmith outside the city sees them and goes to investigate, recovering Perceptor. Meanwhile, the Autobots are not doing so well after their crash-landing. Rodimus and Magnus hit the trees, which are as hard as rocks, while Blurr hit an actual rock and is so injured he cannot walk. Rodimus tells him to lean on "fearless [[Prime (rank)|leader]]", while Magnus wonders where Perceptor crashed.

At his hut, the blacksmith removes Perceptor's [[insignia]], which also contains his universal emulator. Having tracked Perceptor's descent, the Quintessons dispatch a pair of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s to deal retrieve the scientist, but someone follows them. The blacksmith places Perceptor's insignia on a small, female robot called [[Nijika]]. The Sharkticons arrive, but the blacksmith fights them off, damaging their armor with his bare hands. (Holy [[slag (slang)|slag]]!) Meanwhile, Perceptor, having taken control of Nijika, asks the blacksmith, named [[Katsu Don]], what is going on. Perceptor learns that the [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]] were once advanced and that they had developed interstellar travel, protected by the guardian [[Kodu Ri]]. Katsu Don's ancestor, [[Niko Don]], built Nijika as an exploration drone, hoping to make contact with other races. However, the Quintessons attacked, damaging Kodu Ri and Nijika, then sealed them with the quadrant lock, which blacked out the stars. The Zamojin were reduced from technologically advanced to primitive within a very short amount of time and have been that way since. Perceptor concludes that something about the Zamojin terrified the Quintessons so much that they locked them in this part of space, and now he and Katsu Don need to warn the latter's people that the Quintessons have returned.

Elsewhere, Rodimus, Magnus, and Blurr are moving, but Blurr is slowing them down. (That's a turnaround.) Blurr tells them to leave him and find Perceptor, as only he can repair Blurr. Though not happy, they agree. This proves a mistake, for moments later, a band of warriors finds Blurr. On the Quintesson ship, the Quintessons are debating what to do. One of them will have to go to the surface, but if a single Zamojin damaged two Sharkticons, [[Furmanism#WHAT CHANCE DO WE HAVE?|what chance do they have?]] Cyclonus appears and offers them a deal: Give Galvatron the secrets of the quadrant lock, and he will go with one of them to retrieve Perceptor. Looking for Perceptor, Rodimus and Magnus and attacked by a group of warriors but are able to drive them off. They locate Perceptor's body, but without the emulator, he is offline. Rodimus and Magnus decide to search the city.

At the city of [[Tozin]], the Zamojin are preparing to melt Blurr, but he is not that worried. Cyclonus shouts out "burn him", inciting the Zamojin to lower him in. For a Con who shows no emotion, Cyclonus has apparently studied mob psychology. However, the Zamojin Empress commands them to stop. She reveals Perceptor/Nijika, who tries to explain the situation. However, the Quintesson shouts that the doll is malfunctioning, but Cyclonus grabs Perceptor and orders the Quintesson to bring their ship. Katsu Don grabs Cyclonus's legs, but the remaining Quintesson orders Perceptor to hand over the emulator, or Katsu Don will die. Perceptor complies, while the other Quintesson shots Blurr's rope, causing him to fall into the molten liquid...which he describes as a nice soak that is repairing his injuries. Blurr jumps out, with Rodimus and Magnus following. Blurr frees Katsu Don, while Magnus takes on Cyclonus. Rodimus throws Katsu Don out, while Blurr grabs the emulator and Magnus takes Cyclonus, who follows after the Quintessons.

The Zamojin Empress fears what the Quintessons will take, but Perceptor, now in his real body, says that the Quintessons are about to give the Zamojin something. The Quintesson ship passes through the quadrant lock...and it fades, revealing the stars. Perceptor sabotaged the lock, and the Autobots realize the Zamojin's technology is telepathic in nature and powered by starlight. The intelligence of the Zamojin advances rapidly, and they repair Kodu Ri. As Sky Lynx lands, Perceptor asks Katsu Don if he will continue his ancestor's research. Katsu Don vows that Perceptor will meet Nijika again...out among the stars.

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' November 20, 1986

'''Written by:''' [[Mary Skrenes]] and [[Steve Skeates]]

==Notable quotes==
"Put it in idle, Blurr." 
:{{m-}}'''Rodimus Prime''', saying what we're all thinking.

==Notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===
* References

===Continuity errors===
* The Zamojin hate robots and have an idea of what the Quintessons look like, yet don't seem to mind Cyclonus and a Quintesson standing in the middle of a crowd with them.

===Transformers references===
* This episode marks the last appearance of Perceptor in the western cartoon.

===Real-world references===
* References

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* trivia

===Keywords===
(''separate by commas and link each one so a page can be created for it if it does not already exist'')

==External links==
*

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File:Wheezel scrounge yay.jpg

2008-04-15T06:05:06Z

Spriteless: OCD = more links.

[[Wheezel]] bums off [[Scrounge]] from [[The Smelting Pool!]], art by [[Don Perlin]].
{{comicinterior}}
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Megatron Origin issue 2

2008-04-15T05:54:05Z

Spriteless: /* Cameos */ Scrounge? His pic is credited to this issue.

[[Image:MO_2_a.jpg|thumb|200px|right|$39.95 on Pay Per View]]
{{comicnav|Megatron Origin|2|seriesname=''The Transformers: Megatron Origin''|prev=Megatron Origin issue 1||next=Megatron Origin issue 3}}
'''Megatron's road begins to darken and his future path becomes more clear.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Kaon]]. The [[Forge]]. During an underground [[gladiatorial combat]], the escaped convict Megatron fights against a familiar opponent. His enemy displays the remarkable ability to continue fighting once impaled, but is crippled after being run over by Megatron in vehicle mode. For the satisfaction of the ring master and the audience, he executes his opponent. As the crowd cheers at the the death, Megatron removes his helmet, exposing his long metal panels. (ahem).

Meanwhile, Senator Ratbat dismisses the concerns of his meager assistant to attend to more important matters. In privacy, he manipulates world events for personal gain. But a report on the underground combat circuit piques his interest. He sends his servant to handle it.

Megatron rises through the ranks of the illegal gladiatorial bloodsport and eventually finds himself fighting alongside Clench. Megatron takes the opportunity to, shall we say, better his position in the organization by killing Clench and taking over.

Prowl shows footage of the battle to his team, who are eager to put a stop to the unlawful violence. Sentinel Prime arrives and announces that there's already been several efforts in a plan to catch the delinquents.

Bumper and Fastback stake out a location suspected to be the grounds for the next session of murders. They witness the arrival of the [[Constructicons]] who begin to assemble that night's arena, which includes tossing an [[Wheezel|empty]] to drown in [[smelting pool|hot metal]]. Megatron arrives on the scene and immediately receives a technology and weaponry sales offer from one who introduces himself as Soundwave. The two Autobots witness the transaction and are ambushed by Ravage, Laserbeak and Buzzsaw.

Bumper awakens to see Megatron stomp the life out of Fastback. Next, Soundwave uses Laserbeak to pry data from Bumper's mind. Megatron cancels the battle and expresses satisfaction with Soundwave's service{{m-}}he agrees to do business with Soundwave's master and then kills Bumper.

==Credits==
'''Writer:''' [[Eric Holmes]] 
'''Art:''' [[Alex Milne]] (pages 1–11, 20–22); [[Marcelo Matere]] (pages 12–19) 
'''Colors:''' [[Josh Perez]] 
'''Edits:''' [[Chris Ryall]] 
* ''Original release date:'' July 25, 2007

===Major characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:#FFEEB8" | Others
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (8)
* [[Blades]] (9)
* [[Sentinel Prime]] (10)
* [[Bumper]] (12)
* [[Fastback]] (13)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
The Decepticon faction does not yet exist
| style="background:#FFEEB8" valign="top" |
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (1)
* [[Cy-Kill|His opponent]] (2)
* [[Clench]] (3)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (4)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (5)
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] (6)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (7)
* [[Wheezel]] (11)
* [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s (14)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (15)
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (16)
|}

==Quotes==
''"Finish Him!"''
:'''{{m-}} Clench'''

''"'Til all are one!"''
:{{m-}} Spectators at the execution of '''Cy-Kill'''

==Cameos==
* '''Megatron's opponent:''' [[Cy-Kill]] from the [[Tonka GoBots|Go-Bots]] toy line in a familiar situation for him.
* '''Megatron's audience:''' [[Skyquake]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Air Raid (G1)|Air Raid]], [[Sunstreaker]], [[Sideswipe]], [[Spinister]], [[Seawing (G1)|Seawing]], Crasher (again from the GoBots), [[Overlord]], [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]]
* '''Gladiators:''' [[Tantrum]], [[Hun-Grrr]]
* '''Prowl's men:''' [[Blades]], [[Roadbuster]], [[Whirl]], [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]], [[Fastback]], [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]], [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]]
* Someone resembling [[Scrounge]] can be seen looting a garbage dumpster.

==Items of note==
* The markings on Cy-kill-- err, Megatron's opponent's shoulder possibly represent the number of kills he has.
* During the first fight, Megatron wears an emblem around his neck that resembles what might become the [[Decepticon]] insignia.
* During the depiction of Megatron's sixth fight, the head of the [[Vehicon]] [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] appears giant in the background for reasons that are unclear.
* One of the gladiators mentions the departed Betabear. Since he was in a combat arena for robots, we can assume Betabear is a godless killing machine.
* Several female Transformers appear in the background of scenes{{m-}}these were added by Milne and, since female Transformers aren't meant to exist [[Spotlight: Arcee|yet]], are a continuity goof. Or if you're a [[Dreamwave]] fan, an [[Easter egg]].
* The new anti-gravity technology which Ratbat learns of is likely responsible for the Decepticons' ability to fly in robot form.
* The weapons which Soundwave offers to Megatron include the usual [[Energon mace|energon flail]], a [[Seeker]]'s [[null-ray]] and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s blaster hand.

===Covers (3)===
[[Image:MO_2_b.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Go-Bots SUCK!]]
* '''Cover A:''' Megatron in arena by [[Alex Milne]] (pencils) and [[Josh Perez]] (colors)
* '''Cover B:''' Megatron over dead Cy-Kill by [[Marcelo Matere]] (pencils) and [[Andrew Elder]] (colors)
* '''Cover RI-A:''' Uncolored cover A

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Hard hat

2008-04-15T05:04:25Z

Spriteless: linky

:''Hard hats appear in many stories, but are primarily from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SparkplugG1.jpg|right|250px|thumb|C'mon, Prime...everybody does it.]]

A '''hard hat''' is the primary means by which all [[human]]s cover their heads. They are either considered highly fashionable, or else required to be worn by international law. Unlike in [[reality]], humans in Transformers continuity not only wear hardhats in typical situations such as oil rigs or [[Ruby Crystal Mines of Burma|ruby crystal mines]], but also in a variety of other endeavors such as:

* Robbing a bank
* Driving a tractor trailer
* Reading meters at a hydroelectric plant
* Designing doomsday weapons.
* Going to a museum.

The versatility of the hard hat in fact seems to be limitless.

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Tech Specometer Eleven

2008-04-15T02:44:34Z

Spriteless: I'm adding proof it exists, even if I cannot find a free picture.

The '''Tech Specometer Eleven''' has an altimeter, compass, flashlight, magnifying glass, tape measure, sundial, telescope/periscope, and whistle. There may also be a mirror and a timer. That makes 11 toys in one!

It has a picture of [[Optimus Prime]] on the box. It lies.

==External Links==
*[http://www.virtualtoychest.co.uk/t/transformers/other/transformersg1other.html There's one on this page.] Just search for Specometer.

{{stub}}

[[Category: Merchandise]]
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Alligaticon

2008-04-15T00:21:28Z

Spriteless: bypass redirect.

The '''Alligatorcon''' was a [[Drone|mechanoid]] resembling an alligator built from parts of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] by the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s after he had been captured by the [[Decepticon]]s and dismantled by [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] . {{storylink|City of Steel}}

It was purportedly big and heavy.

I'd say a little of both.

[[Category:Drones]]
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Nebraska

2008-04-13T00:19:57Z

Spriteless: add a link

'''Nebraska''' is a part of the [[United States of America]] on the planet [[Earth]].

===Unicron Trilogy===
====''Armada''====

===IDW Comics continuity===
The site of a [[Decepticon]] command bunker in [[Infiltration|''Transformers: Infiltration'']] can be found in back-woods Nebraska. Abandoned by the Decepticons, the base is infiltrated by [[Stoker]]. His photographs of the inside fo the bunker eventually fall into the hands of the [[Autobot|Autobots]]. It is later discovered that the bunker was built atop a seam of [[Ore-13]].

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[[Category: Generation 1]]
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Megatron (G1)

2008-04-12T23:47:52Z

Spriteless: /* IDW comics continuity */ bypass disambiguation page

{{featured}}{{disambig3|Megatron}}

:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. He is also known as Lord Megatron and sometimes nicknamed the Slag Maker.''

[[Image:Megatronguido.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Baby, you know I don't mean to hurt you.]]

'''Megatron''' is the founder of the Decepticon uprising, and their most well-known and feared [[Decepticon leader|leader]]. As a young, charismatic leader forged in battle and the heritage of war, he began to believe in a grand purpose for his race—it is the [[Transformer]]s' glorious destiny to rule an [[Decepticon Empire|empire]] which will span the universe. The opposite of his mortal enemy [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], he feels great contempt for other Transformers who, he feels, betray their proud heritage by demanding peace and cooperation with weaker life forms. It is the destiny of the Decepticons to bring order to the universe through conquest, though in the millions of years since coining this purpose it remains to be seen how much of his mission statement is altruistic... and how much of it is mere words built to fuel warriors to further his desire for personal power.

Megatron will attempt almost anything to achieve his goals, but his schemes are rarely in any way subtle. This is perhaps due to his arrogance, but his pride is not so strong as to dissuade him from abandoning a battle he is losing. Some would question his sanity, though these few are mostly now dead by his hands...or his [[Fusion cannon]], depending on his mood. Sometimes he uses his [[energon mace]] to strike them down. It does not matter how they die. Death by the hands of Megatron is an honor.

Sometimes, Megatron is later reborn as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]].

{{quote|You destroy everything you touch, Megatron!|Optimus Prime|"[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]"}}
{{quote|That's because everything I touch is food for my hunger. My hunger for ''power''!|Megatron|"[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]"}}

:''Chinese name (Taiwan):'' '''Mei-jia Wang''' ("King Mega" or "Mega Throne") / '''Jü Wu Ba''' ("Extremely huge") / '''Megatron''' (pronounced in French)
:''Chinese name (China):'' '''Wei Zhen Tian''' ("Extremely prestigious", literally "Heaven-shaking Might")

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
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[[Image:Megatrong1marvelarmy.jpg|left|thumb|250px|No, not fascist at all.]]

Four million years ago, ''rising from his beginnings as a gladiator for the city-state of [[Tarn]],'' Megatron and the Decepticons developed the ability of transformation, using it to begin the war against the Autobots, who fought back by mimicking the technology. Megatron declared his intent to transform [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into a "cosmic dreadnought" to conquer the universe. {{storylink|The Transformers (comic issue)|The Transformers}} ''However, he would only get as far as building massive engines deep beneath the planet's surface. {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!|Legion of the Lost!, Part 1}}''

Megatron also vowed to possess the planet's superdatabase, the [[Underbase]], for himself, so he followed a young Optimus Prime on his quest into the [[Temple of Knowledge]], where he destroyed the temple's curator, [[Boltax]]. In order to keep the Underbase out of Megatron's hands, Optimus Prime destroyed the temple and launched the Underbase into space. {{storylink|The Flames of Boltax!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1earlymarvel.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Check out my awesome preproduction model!]]

''After the death of [[Sentinel Prime]], Megatron's troops poised themselves around the Autobot capital city of [[Iacon]], slowly disintegrating its defenses. [[Emirate Xaaron]] chose [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], a warrior, to take the [[Council of Autobot Elders]]' place as leader of the Autobot forces. Optimus Prime and Megatron's armies then met in battle, and Megatron's forces were defeated - with help from an exploding bridge. {{storylink|And There Shall Come...A Leader!}}''

In time, the war grew so fierce that Cybertron itself was shaken from its orbit, and set adrift in the cosmos. Eventually, over a thousand years after Megatron's war had begun <ref>The length of the war is given as "over a thousand years" in [[The Transformers (comic issue)|Marvel Comics #1]], but it's said to be just a hundred years in Marvel UK's [[Legion of the Lost, Part 1]].</ref>, the planet fell into the path of an asteroid cluster in the Sol system that threatened to destroy it, and so Optimus Prime led a contingent of his troops in the Ark to reduce the asteroids to rubble, saving Cybertron. The plan was a success, but immediately afterwards, Megatron and his troops attacked, forcing Optimus Prime to crash the Ark into prehistoric Earth.

Four million years later, in 1984, the Transformers were reawakened, and Megatron immediately set about trying to locate a source of fuel for the Decepticons. Unable to ingest common Earth gasoline, the Decepticons kidnapped [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] and forced him to develop a conversion process. Megatron soon found his Decepticons and his base of operations under siege by the Autobot [[Gears]] and a strange super-powered human named [[Spider-Man]]. The pair escaped with Sparkplug, but not before he had managed to convert Earth fuel into usable energy.{{storylink|Prisoner of War!}}

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelblackhole.jpg|thumb|left|250px|In early Marvel UK stories, Megatron's colors were blinged up to match his box art.]]

''After an argument with Megatron, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] left their headquarters and set about on a plan to position himself above Megatron in the eyes of his comrades. [[Ravage]], sent by Megatron to spy on Starscream, was discovered overhearing Starscream's treachery, and so Starscream tried to eliminate the elusive jaguar. This enraged Megatron, who punished Starscream by having him duel the Autobot [[Brawn]]. {{storylink|The Enemy Within!}} Soon, Megatron and the full fury of the Decepticons under his command, sieged the Ark itself, but his attack was stopped short by a malfunctioning [[Auntie]], the Ark's computer system. Captured with Optimus Prime in a stasis field, Auntie's fatal intentions towards them prompted Megatron to activate his rarely-used ability to tap into the power of a black hole. This proved unnecessary after [[Ravage]] and [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] saved them, so Megatron moved to use his cosmic power on Prime - until Windcharger magnetically launched him out of the Ark and into the stratosphere. {{storylink|Raiders of the Last Ark}}''

While Sparkplug was kidnapped, this had only afforded him the chance to poison their fuel, and the Decepticons were forcibly deactivated at the end of a climactic fight between the two factions. The Autobots were not saved, however, as [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] suddenly arrived and defeated the Autobots with a single blast. He brought the Decepticons back online to serve him - including Megatron. Chafing under his command, Megatron battled Shockwave, but was soundly defeated.

[[Image:Megatrong1marvelhumiliation.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Get used to this, Megatron.]]

This forced Megatron him into an alliance with [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], who located and reactivated the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], who had defeated Shockwave in the past. However, Ratchet loosed them on Megatron, and was willing to sacrifice himself to knock Megatron off a cliff. While Ratchet survived, Megatron disappeared for some time.

Soon, however, Megatron re-emerged, trapped in pistol mode, his higher brain functions disconnected. Used as a weapon by wannabe gangster, [[Joey Slick]], Megatron eventually restored himself, and was impressed enough with Slick for standing up to him that he allowed him to live. But at this point, Megatron was desperately low on fuel, and attacked a coal mine, attempting to locate some, when he eventually completely ran out, and froze in place. He was soon located by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], who brought him back online, and they subsequently entered into an alliance with the human [[Donny Finkleberg]], who used the alias of "Robot-Master" to con humankind into thinking the Transformers worked for him.

Shockwave and Megatron entered into a period of shared leadership, but when a two-pronged attack by the Autobots saw Megatron defeated by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], and Shockwave allowing the Autobots to capture the secrets of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], Megatron was able to spin the situation and reclaim his leadership.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltarget2006.jpg|left|thumb|250px|SPOILERS!]]

''A mysterious Decepticon called [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], along with his henchmen [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]], entered the Decepticon camp and claimed he was the future Decepticon leader from the year 2006. Megatron found this preposterous, but though he tried to destroy the alleged impostor, he and Soundwave were buried under rubble by the powerful newcomers. Megatron was retrieved from the rubble by [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]], and he and the Autobots forged an uneasy alliance against Galvatron. This was still not enough, as Galvatron (who was revealed to be Megatron himself from the future) easily disposed of all of them, and was only deterred when he was tricked into believing he had traveled back in time to a past that would not become his own future. {{storylink|Target 2006}}''

''Megatron summoned the [[Predacon]]s to Earth with the intention of having them hunt down Optimus Prime, but Shockwave used the opportunity to try and remove Megatron from the picture. After trailing Prime through a forest and bringing him to his knees, the Predacons turned on Megatron, blindsiding him, stealing his fusion cannon, and absconding. When Megatron came to, he continued hunting Prime, but when the Autobot leader attacked him, he summoned the [[space bridge]] in hopes of escaping to Cybertron, only for Prime to be transported with him. On Cybertron, Megatron established contact with local Decepticon commander Lord [[Straxus]], whose body had been destroyed by [[Blaster]], leaving him a head floating in a jar.''

''Straxus soon came to consider the irrational Megatron a liability and sought to dispose of him by transplanting his mind into Megatron's body, giving him mobility again while trapping Megatron in his remains. Megatron resisted the transfer, however, and the process went awry, leaving both Straxus and Megatron's minds trapped in Megatron's body together. Outwardly, Megatron seemed to become more and more unstable as the two personalities inside him battled for control; when attacked by Prime and [[Ultra Magnus]], he even proved desperate enough to use his [[antimatter]] manipulation powers, nearly destroying the entire Decepticon complex, until [[Ratbat]] activated the space bridge and sent him back to Earth. Straxus's consciousness fled Megatron's body, and Megatron himself was left with no memory of the whole affair.''

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltooclever.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Yes, you're very smart. Shut up.]]

In order to attain possession of a new energy-generating device, the hydrothermacline, Megatron battled Optimus Prime in a video game duel, using a cheat code to continue the fight after he had lost. Prime defeated him again, but at the expense of some of the game's characters, and ruled himself the loser because he would not have committed such an act in real life. Prime was destroyed, and Megatron's elation soon turned into paranoia, as he had not killed Prime with his own hands, and believed he could still be alive. Bringing the Predacons ''back'' to Earth, Shockwave had them pose as Autobots and attack Megatron in another attempt to remove his threat, but the plan failed when the deranged Megatron defeated even [[Predaking]]. Believing (correctly, as it would turn out) that Prime's mind could have been preserved on computer disk, Megatron descended into outright insanity, and boarded the space bridge, vowing to go where Prime could not follow - right before he blew it up with his fusion cannon, apparently killing himself.

[[Image:Megatrong1marveltwomegatrons.jpg|left|thumb|200px|buggabuggaWHA?]]

''Megatron's absence allowed a contingency plan arranged by Lord Straxus to be put into motion. In the event that his attempt to seize Megatron's body failed, Straxus had had a clone of Megatron created, complete with a copy of his brain patterns, into which his consciousness retreated following the previous debacle. Straxus lay dormant within the clone, which was activated following Megatron's seeming demise, and sent to Earth, to the sewers beneath [[London]]. There, the clone - believing itself to be the genuine article - battled the Autobots, [[G.I. Joe|Action Force]], and the mechanoid [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]], and wound up submerged in the Thames river.''

''Some time later, it was salvaged by Shockwave, who brainwashed it and unleashed it on [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], a recreated future version of Megatron who had traveled back in time from the year 2006 and posed a threat to Shockwave's leadership. The clone Megatron, however, saw a possible partner in Galvatron, and the two teamed up to battle Autobots and Decepticons from both present and future in the apocalyptic [[Time Wars]]. Subsequently, the clone returned to Cybertron, where it defeated the ruling Decepticon Triumvirate, but was then confronted with the ''real'' Megatron - ''the Spacebridge explosion had deposited him in [[Dead End (place)|the Dead End]] region of Cybertron, where he had wandered, with no recollection of who he was, until he had saved [[Blackjack|a Decepticon]] from Autobots and regained his memories.'' The clone Megatron subsequently destroyed itself to prevent Straxus, buried inside its mind, from taking over.''

[[Image:Megs_ratch.jpg|right|thumb|200px|As you can tell, the Marvel Comics weren't very good to Megatron. Or Ratchet for that matter...]]

While Megatron's [[Micromaster]] [[Air Strike Patrol]] created a diversion which pitted Optimus Prime's forces against [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s, Megatron sent his [[Micromaster]] [[Sports Car Patrol]] to capture Ratchet from the Ark, bringing him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Back from the Dead}} Threatening Ratchet with the destruction of the Ark and all of his patients aboard, Megatron forced him to recreate Starscream as a [[Pretender]]. Ratchet did so, but also restored [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Jazz]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in the same manner, thwarting his scheme, and also bringing the explosives on board the Ark through a [[Trans-Time Dimensional Portal|trans-time dimensional portal]] into Megatron's base. When Megatron then attempted to flee through the portal, Ratchet tackled him as the Decepticon's base exploded around them, apparently killing them both. {{storylink|Skin Deep}}

Soon after, however, Autobot detective [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] discovered that the explosion had actually blown them through the portal, and he dispatched a probe to pull them back from the gaps between reality. However, when they rematerialized, it was revealed that the explosion had fused the two enemies together, into a hideous, twisted mockery of a being, which ran rampant through the Ark. The half that was Ratchet begged Optimus Prime to kill them, but Prime could not, and had the [[Micromaster]] [[Fixit]] separate their bodies. Unfortunately, Fixit could not separate their minds, as they were bonded at a molecular level; one could not survive without the other.

Their separated bodies lay in the Ark's medbay until Grimlock pumped them full of [[Nucleon]], though the revitalizing effect took some time to help Ratchet and Megatron come to. Megatron awoke to find [[Galvatron II]], another version of him from the future, wandering the halls of the Ark as it returned to Earth. Galvatron II, driven to insanity, initially tried to kill Megatron to purge the memory of him that haunted his mind. Megatron was in no state to comprehend what was going on around him, and began interpreting Galvatron II's blows as coming from Ratchet.

Though Galvatron II and Megatron eventually came to terms with each other while beating up Shockwave (he and Starscream had stolen the ship), vowing to join forces and take over the galaxy, Ratchet doomed them all by igniting the Ark's engines and spiraling the Autobot spacecraft into the Earth below. Megatron was presumed dead among the remains that constituted the crash site in northern [[Canada]]. {{storylink|A Savage Circle}}

=====Marvel UK future timelines=====

''In an alternate 1990, Megatron was control of Decepticon forces on Cybertron, including [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], [[Stranglehold]], [[Octopunch]], and [[Warmonger]]. After they captured a trio of Autobots, the heroes somehow managed to escape custody. They were recaptured, but Megatron realized there must be a traitor in his midst. Accusing Bludgeon of the crime, he attempted to beat the [[Pretender]] into confessing. Instead, Bludgeon demanded a trial by combat, as was his right as a Decepticon. Megatron agreed, and sent him out into the wreckage surrounding the base, with his three fellow Decepticons chasing after him, eager for the kill. Octopunch and Stranglehold both tried and failed to destroy Bludgeon, but Warmonger managed to get the drop on him. When Warmonger hesitated to kill a helpless foe, however, Megatron executed him as the REAL traitor. He then revealed this was his plan all along, to draw out the traitor by trusting in the sickeningly honorable Autobot code to make the spy reveal himself. Megatron also made it clear he would have had no regrets if Bludgeon had died in the "testing" process. {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}''

{{note|The above story is the earliest known account from the Marvel UK alternate "Movie" timeline. The split between the main comic and the future stories almost certainly took place in 1989, either due to the Time Wars, the events of [[Primal Scream]] where Primus alerted Unicron to his location 15 years early, or both.}}

=====Earthforce=====
[[Image:Megs_earthforce.jpg|left|thumb|150px|The real culprit behind global warming.]]

''In an offshoot of the Marvel timeline following the restoration of the Autobots aboard the Ark with Nucleon, but before... uh ... ''(okay, see [[Earthforce]] for continuity notes, it's pretty complicated...)''

''Somewhere in the [[Arizona]] desert, Megatron and the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s built a rocket that would launch into Earth's atmosphere and detonate, converting the atmosphere into [[energon]]. He was interrupted by [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], and though Megatron insisted they were too late to stop the rocket, {{storylink|Starting Over!}} Prowl rode the rocket into the atmosphere, and was able to destroy the satellite the rocket carried before it released its gas canisters. {{storylink|Desert Island Risks!}}''

''Now that [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]'s [[Earthforce]] had installed itself to counter Megatron and [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s Decepticons on Earth, the two leaders decided to hold an [[Enclave]] to foster unity. This event was sabotaged by the Earthforce, and once again, Megatron and Shockwave's respective groups were at each other's throats. {{storylink|The Bad Guy's Ball!}}''

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=====''Another Time And Place''=====
[[Image:Megatrong1anothertime.jpg|right|thumb|50px|Yuk!]]

:''"Another Time and Place" was retconned out of continuity a few years later by the Generation 2 comic books.''

Trapped in non-transforming Action Master bodies, Grimlock and the Dinobots snuck a shuttle to [[Hydrus Four]], where rumor had it a new, less destructive brand of [[Nucleon]] had been developed. However, the allegedly defeated Decepticons were waiting for just such a trip, and followed the Dinobots to the planet's surface, where they were ambushed and captured. Grimlock woke up to hear endless chants of "Megatron! Megatron! Megatron!" as technicians had strung up the late Decepticon leader's body, culled from his supposed doom on Earth, for repairs. Bludgeon would revive him, revive their fallen, and then the war would begin anew.

But Bludgeon wouldn't get the chance. The cavalry arrived, and Optimus Prime's Autobots quickly quelled the Decepticons' would-be resurgence. As Bludgeon was taken apart to pieces by a vicious repair spider, a partially-restored Megatron, a visual monstrosity, lunged half-alive at Grimlock and Optimus Prime. With a double-teamed punch, Megatron's undead corpse was easily defeated. The war was truly over. {{storylink|Another Time and Place}}

====Generation 2====
[[Image:Megatrong2cobra.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Green with evil!]]

Although thought dead for a year or two, Megatron had actually survived the Ark crash (though his mental link with Ratchet was forgotten), and had quietly worked to repair it, concealing it beneath the ground. From there, Megatron tracked a signal, mistakenly believing it was another Transformer, but instead he found the shape-shifting castle of the terrorist organization, [[Cobra]]. He entered into a bargain with its leader, [[Cobra Commander]], offering him the technology of the Ark in exchange for the new weapons his organization was developing. {{storylink|Realignments}} Reconstructed into a new tank body with a powerful rail gun, Megatron defeated a squad of Autobots sent to stop him, and then turned on Cobra, capturing the scientist who had developed his gun, [[Dr. Biggles-Jones|Doctor Biggles-Jones]] and escaping in the Ark. {{storylink|Final Transformations}}

Both [[Skydive (G1)|Skydive]] and [[Spike Witwicky]] had snuck on board, and following a clearly one-sided battle with Spike's [[Headmaster]] partner, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], Megatron was seemingly killed again when Fortress Maximus threw himself into the Ark's power core, destroying it once and for all. {{storylink|All or Nothing!}} But Megatron (and a repaired Starscream) rejoined the Decepticons on Earth to challenge the current Decepticon leader, Bludgeon. {{storylink|The Power and the Glory}} Bludgeon was deposed, fatally, though Megatron continued many of the Pretender's ongoing projects, such as calling the attentions of Optimus Prime to Earth by indiscriminately rampaging across it. When Prime finally showed up, Megatron's old foe at first attempted to talk and join forces against the new threat of [[Jhiaxus]] and his [[Advanced-Decepticon]]s, but Megatron ignored him, ripped the [[Creation Matrix]] from his chest, and left to infuse a new generation of warriors with life. {{storylink|The Gathering Darkness}} His warriors proved to be highly successful, and helped Megatron secure the galvanizing additive known as [[Rheanimum]]. Immediately thereafter, however, Megatron's Decepticons came into conflict with Jhiaxus's forces. Many of Megatron's troops were killed in the resulting battle, and Megatron himself was humbled brutally in battle against Jhiaxus, getting knocked out of space and crashing with immense force into the planet below. {{storylink|New Dawn}}

[[Image:megatrong2idiot.jpg|thumb|300px|Megatron's getting a little too self-aware.]]

In order to gain revenge, Megatron entered into an alliance with the Autobots to "put their house in order." He was forced to deal with Prime's more altruistic streak, but toughed it out for the sake of the alliance. {{storylink|Escalation}} But, of course, they were betrayed by Starscream, who joined forces with Jhiaxus' troops, alerted Jhiaxus to the location of the Autobot/Decepticon camp on Earth, and then again betrayed both sides by using the opportunity to steal the Creation Matrix and Megatron's [[Warworld]]. {{storylink|Total War}} Starscream, using the powers of the Matrix, fused himself with the Warworld, which gave Megatron and Optimus Prime great difficulty as they fought their way through its shifting insides. {{storylink|Dark Shadows!}} Ultimately, Starscream relinquished the Creation Matrix to Optimus Prime when it was discovered that the artifact was making him nice, allowing Megatron to load a ship with canisters of [[Rheanimum]] gas and head back to Earth, where the [[Swarm]] was beginning its attack. Megatron arrived just in time to coat the remaining Transformers with the gas, which protected them from the Swarm long enough for Optimus Prime to defeat the Swarm with the Matrix. The Swarm departed, changed into a force for good, leaving both Autobot and Decepticon seemingly united for good. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

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====Fun Publications ''Classics'' comics====

{{note|The Classics comic takes place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a [[splinter timeline]] that does not include the events of the Marvel UK-exclusive stories or Generation 2.}}

[[Image:Megatronclassicscrossingover.jpg|left|thumb|175px|I got your child safety right here pal!]]

Fifteen years had passed since Megatron supposedly died along with Shockwave, Starscream, and Ratchet when the Ark crashed violently into the Yukon. The defeated Decepticon army scattered, and the Autobots were able to return to a peaceful Cybertron.

Inexplicably, Megatron returned (in a new body) and once again stalked the Earth, rallying the remaining Decepticons to him. Megatron rebuilt many of these Decepticons using altered specifications created by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], shortly before Megatron presumably had Shockwave decommissioned in an unspecified way. Eventually, Megatron, roaming free, stumbled across [[Skyfall (Cybertron)|Skyfall]] and [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]], who had travelled from [[Unicron Trilogy|their universe]] in a fantastic energon/forcefield explosion, but his evil intentions for them were interrupted by human-piloted [[Armored Robot Hunters]] (or RUNTs) and subsequently a small team of Autobots led by Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 1}}

Megatron managed to escape with Landquake and return with him to the Decepticons' base of operations, where he had Landquake restrained, interrogated, and inspected. Megatron was intrigued by Landquake's claims of being from another dimension. He was further intrigued by a radiation wavelength signature detected in South America that exactly matched Landquake's readouts, and so Megatron led his Decepticons to the source of the signature. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 2}} There, he encountered not only a fleet of jet-piloting RUNTs, but also the Autobots again. This time, with the might of his Decepticons behind him, he eagerly engaged in battle. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 3}}

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===English animated continuity===

:''Voice Actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (English), [[Seizō Katō]] (Japanese), [[José Santacruz]] (Portuguese), [[Gernot Duda]](Generation 1, German), [[Manfred Erdmann]] (German), [[Thomas Rauscher]] (Generation 2, German)

[[Image:Megatronffod.jpg|right|250px|thumb|And then in 1984, Megatron creates the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s. It all comes full circle.]]

Following a war between the Decepticons and the other robot race, the [[Autobot|Autobots]], the Decepticons were defeated by the Autobots' invention of transformation, which allowed them the advantage of stealth. The Autobot victory in the war began the [[Golden Age of Cybertron]], but a viper lurked within this paradise. Eventually, Decepticons too developed transformation, leading to the creation of Megatron. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

Megatron quickly gathered a small group of like-minded warriors together beneath him, and began his mission to restore the Decepticons to glory and overthrow the Autobots. In these early, shadowy days, Megatron is known to have attacked at least one of [[Iacon]]'s outer cities, {{storylink|War Dawn}} and was responsible for the death of the [[U-Haul Robot|Autobot leader]] at the time. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} Using a device called the [[Robo-Smasher]] to permanently reprogram Autobots and Decepticons into servitude of his cause, Megatron swelled the Decepticons ranks into a true army. Among the robots forced into servitude were the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

For whatever reason, the agressive actions of Megatron and the Decepticons were not made public knowledge, and young robots like the naive [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]] still looked up to Megatron and his followers because of their new robot-mode flight powers. However, Pax soon learned the error of his ways when Megatron approached him about the possibility of using one of his warehouses to store, only to turn on him once he had gained access to the [[energon]] stored within the facilitiy. Megatron fatally injured Pax in a scuffle, but thanks to the actions of the time-displaced [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], the young Autobot was rebuilt by [[Alpha Trion]] into a new configuration that could truly stand up to Megatron's power. Now, Orion Pax was [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], leader of the Autobots and Megatron's sworn opponent as the civil war erupted again. {{storylink|War Dawn}}

[[Image:G1Megatron-Flail.jpg|left|thumb|Megatron and his energy flail/mace/morning star/thingamajig.]]

Under Megatron's leadership, the Decepticons conquered a large portion of Cybertron, but the war drained Cybertron of most of its energy, necessitating that both factions seek out new worlds and new sources of power. Megatron and his elite forces pursued the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot's craft]] in their [[Nemesis (G1)|space cruiser]] and attacked and boarded the craft, causing it to crash on a prehistoric planet, entombing all on the ship in emergency stasis as it crashed into a dormant volcano.

Four million years later, a volcanic eruption reactivated jarred the ship's computer, [[Teletraan I]], which in turn brought [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] back on-line. Skywarp proceeded to drag Megatron into the computer's reconfiguration beam, and the Decepticon leader was restored, with the Autobots soon to follow. Realizing that the Transformers were far from Cybertron, Megatron immediately arranged for construction of a new space cruiser, which would be fuelled with by energy pillaged from Earth's many natural resources. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1}} Early in his campaign against Earth, Megatron engaged Optimus Prime in a famous battle atop [[Sherman Dam]], where he defeated the Autobot leader and absconded with the plant's energy. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} After several further energy raids, the space cruiser was refuelled and the Decepticons blasted off from Earth, but an attempted coup by Megatron's treacherous lieutenant [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] abord the ship allowed Autobot stowaway [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] the opportunity to sabotage the vessel and send it crashing back to Earth. {{storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3}}

The Autobots believed the Decepticons to be destroyed, but in reality, they had survived the crash and repurposed the hulk of their spaceship as a sub-oceanic staging base and bunker. Megatron re-established contact with the guardian of Cybertron, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], and began construction of an intergalactic transport system called a "[[space bridge]]," although the early tests nearly resulted in his destruction when he was sucked into the portal and teleported to Cybertron. {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} The technology was eventually stabilized, however, and used in a grand scheme to transport Cybertron through space into Earth's orbit, where the natural disasters its gravity wreaked created tremendous energy that Megatron and the Decepticons gathered. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 1}} The Earth was saved, however, the stockpile of energy aboard a transport craft being piloted by Megatron was detonated by the Autobots, the explosion forcing Cybertron out of orbit. {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 3}} Although caught in the explosion and left adrift in space, Megatron was again able to cheat death, and soon found himself forced to team up with Optimus Prime in order to stop Starscream's attempt to destroy Earth. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction}}

In his next scheme, Megatron absorbed all the separate powers of the other Decepticons into himself, and challenged Optimus Prime to one-on-one combat. With the added abilities of all his minions, Megatron easily defeated Prime in the battle, but when his deception was revealed, he and his followers were defeated in a group attack. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}}

Over the following years, Megatron's schemes to obtain Earth's energies continued, growing ever more convoluted, imaginative and outlandish. His assorted plans included various attempts to harness the power of Earth's core, {{storylink|Fire in the Sky}} {{storylink|Fire on the Mountain}} {{storylink|The Core}} the manipulation of the Autobots minds and bodies to his own evil ends, {{storylink|Changing Gears}} {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots}} {{storylink|The Autobot Run}} stealing or taking control of various new weapons, devices and energy sources from both humans and the Autobots, {{storylink|Traitor}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}} {{storylink|Day of the Machines}} {{storylink|Enter the Nightbird}} {{storylink|Blaster Blues}} trying to conquer key human cities, {{storylink|City of Steel}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} the draining of energy from a time-lost prehistoric island, {{storylink|Dinobot Island, Part 1}} supercharging himself with the [[Heart of Cybertron]], {{storylink|Microbots}} partnership with a [[Shawn Berger|human politician]] that actually allowed him to force the Autobots off Earth and temporarily conquer [[Central City (G1)|Central City]], {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1}} the creation of many new creatures, weapons and Transformers, {{storylink|Kremzeek!}} {{storylink|Aerial Assault}} {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}} {{storylink|Masquerade}} {{storylink|B.O.T.}} and many, many others. Also, at one undefined point, he was known to have battled Optimus Prime in a laboratory, causing an explosion that disfigured [[Gregory Swofford]]. {{storylink|The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1}}

[[Image:Megatron1986movie.jpg|left|thumb|250px|No, not drawn by [[Pat Lee]]—that's actually battle damage.]]

Eventually, at some point over the following twenty years, Megatron turned his attention away from Earth, and succeeded in completely conquering Cybertron by the Earth year 2005. The Autobots, however, were able to maintain control of two of Cybertron's moons, while the majority of their forces were relocated to the new [[Autobot City]] on Earth. Learning the Autobots were planning a decisive strike against the Decepticons, Megatron and the Decepticons intercepted the shuttle sent to Earth to acquire energy to power the raid, and unleashed a [[Battle of Autobot City|mighty assault]] on Autobot City. In the course of the conflict, word was sent to Optimus Prime, who arrived the following morning after the slaughter and confronted Megatron in another one-on-one struggle. Megatron appeared beaten, but spying a discarded pistol, stalled for time by pleading for mercy as he attempted to reach it. The young Autobot [[Hot Rod]] then intervened, tackling Megatron, but the powerful Decepticon proved too much for him, seizing him and using him as shield as he grabbed the pistol and opened fire on Prime. The wounds were fatal and sent Prime to the grave - but not before he delivered his own final blow to Megatron, seriously damaging him and forcing the Decepticons to flee.

On the return trip to Cybertron aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotran]], it became necessary to jettison excess mass, or the Decepticons would be unable to reach the planet. The wounded Decepticons were voted out, and set adrift in space, with Starscream personally jettisoning Megatron. Before long, however, Megatron's drifting body was found by the planet-eating [[Unicron]], who offered to rebuild his body if he would destroy the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] for him. Although Megatron initially refused, unwilling to be anyone's servant, Unicron tortured him into accepting the bargain, and Megatron was recreated as [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

===Japanese animated continuity===

{{Note|The events of the American animated series occur in Japanese continuity as noted above. This timeline, however, inserts a large number of additional storylines, told through various different media, into the timeline (in particular, between Season 2 and the movie), as detailed below.}}

====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' manga====

In the late 1980s, Megatron turned his attention away from North America, and chose to focus on stealing the energy of Japan. In addition to ordering many attacks, he transformed himself into the gigantic "Super Megatron Gun" (a non-shrunken version of his pistol mode, operated by Starscream riding atop [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]!) {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer issue 4|F!SRLF #4}} and ordered the construction of the Decepticon city, [[Trypticon]], to counter the Autobots' [[Metroplex (G1)|Scramble City]]. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer issue 3|F!SRLF #3}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformer issue 6|F!SRLF #6}}

====''Scramble City'' OVA====

To hide the continuing construction of Scramble City from prying Decepticon optics, the Autobots moved the project to a concealed cavern, but when the Decepticons detected magnetic fluctuations emanating from the caves, Megatron dispatched [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s cassettes to investigate, and [[Ratbat]] discovered the facility. Hoping to destroy the fortress before it was completed, Megatron sent his entire army of [[combiner]]s to attack the Autobots. The plan met with failure, as the Autobots and their combiners were able to hold off the Decepticons long enough for Scramble City to be completed and transformed into its robot mode of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. Metroplex dispatched the Decepticons, but Megatron then revealed his trump card - Trypticon! {{storylink|Scramble City}}

{{note|This storyline was never concluded, as a second installment of ''Scramble City'' was never produced.}}

====''Super Robot Magazine'' manga====

Continued Autobot and human interaction led to a joint project to create an [[warp gate|interstellar transport system]] in the late 1990s. When Starscream fused with the mechansm and attempted a coup, Megatron and Prime were forced to team up to stop him, and went missing following the battle that ensued. {{storylink|Super Robot Magazine}}

{{Note|This manga's cliffhanger was never resolved, but was retroactively exploited to insert the ''[[Robots in Disguise (cartoon)|Robots in Disguise]]'' animated series into the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, by claiming that its events took place when Prime and Megatron were absent and most of the Autobots and Decepticons were injured and off-planet.}}

====Binaltech====

After the Autobot's Earth-based forces were decimated by a [[Cosmic Rust]] plague unleashed by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] in 2003, Megatron made his big push to fully take over Cybertron in 2004. The vast majority of the Autobots were occupied battling Megatron's forces on Cybertron, leading to the creation of new "Binaltech" bodies for the injured Autobots on Earth to protect the planet.

In the midst of this Binaltech affair, the time-tossed Decepticon [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] attempted to alter history by using the [[Kronosphere]] time-machine. In the middle of a decisive battle between the Autobots and Decepticons, Ravage used the Kronosphere to transport Megatron and the Decepticons through time, altering history so that the Autobots were left to face the looming threat of [[Unicron]] alone. This disruption of the natural order of time proved almost catastrophic, but reality was saved by the appearance of a mysterious entity known only as "The Protector," which restored the timeline as it should have been, but also preserved the "Binal-Time" timeline as an alternate universe.

In this alternate universe, Unicron was ultimately defeated, but the weakened Autobot forces were then overwhelmed by the fighting-fit Megatron and the Decepticons when they reappeared in 2006, and Cybertron was conquered by them once again. Megatron then turned his attention on the Sol system, and launched an attack on the [[Earth Defense Command]] base on [[Mars]]. At the same time, however, the Autobot spy Mirage had been dispatched to Cybertron, where he was instructed to locate and throw a [[large switch]] that the Autobots had received information on. This switch effectively froze every non-Binaltech Transformer throughout the entire universe, including Megatron and his armada on Mars. The only active Decepticons in the area, [[Nemesis Prime (Alternators)|Nemesis Prime]] and Shockwave, staged a full retreat while using drones to gather up as many of the frozen Decepticons as possible. Since Nemesis Prime was last seen taking Megatron's throne for himself, it is unknown if he took the frozen Megatron to safety, or left the former Decepticon leader to be taken into custody.

====''Robot Masters''====

[[Image:Rmrebirthmegatron.JPG|thumb|right|HAH! I fooled you for all of five seconds!]]

:''Voice Actor:'' [[Jirō Saitō]] (Japanese)

In the year 2004, Megatron disappeared through unknown circumstances, leaving his time-displaced descendant from the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] to take his place as Decepticon leader in the battle for the mysterious element [[solitarium]]. Precisely what happened to Megatron was never explained, but the Decepticon leader was later able to effect his return by using his inter-dimensional black hole uplink powers to take over the body of [[Reverse Convoy]] from the planet [[Vehicon (RM)|Vehicon]]. Posing as an ally to the Autobots, Megatron proceeded to betray them by revealing himself as the aptly-named "Rebirth Megatron". Eventually, however, Optimus Prime returned all the Autobots and Decepticons to proper place in time and space through the power of solitarium and rid the Earth of Decepticons.

====''The Transformer'' manga====

{{note|[[The Transformer (manga)|The Transformer]] manga takes place concurrently with the third season of the animated animated series. However, while that series took place in 2006 in American continuity, in Japan, its events were moved back to 2010.}}

At some point in 2010, Galvatron attempted to destroy the Autobots with a legion of Megatron clones dubbed [[Megatron Military|"The Megatron Military"]]. Each clone was equipped with its own unique fusion cannon and they were capable of combining the blasts into an intense attack. As a unified force, the Megatron Military crushed [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], [[Springer]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Kup]]. Their victory was assured until Rodimus managed to deduce that the Megatron Military was being controlled by Galvatron, who was, as it turned out, actually disguised as one of the Megatron clones himself. Once Rodimus defeated Galvatron, all the Megatron clones lost power and were easily vanquished. {{storylink|The Transformer issue #2}}

====''The Battlestars''====

{{note|With his transformation into Galvatron, Megatron departed from the animated continuity until this storyline, five years later.}}

[[Image:SuperAndUltraMegatron.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Mister and Mister Overdesigned, 1991.]]

During his time as Galvatron, Megatron had been seemingly vanquished forever when he was crushed beneath an iceberg. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}} Over fifteen years later, an evil force named [[Dark Nova]] recovered Galvatron's body from its ice tomb, and recreated him as '''Super Megatron''', pitting him against [[Optimus Prime (G1)#The Battlestars|Star Convoy]], the reborn Optimus Prime, and his Autobots. Super Megatron didn't fare too well against his old adversary and was swiftly defeated by the [[Battlestar]]s and their [[Triple Combination Battlestar Attack]]. Dark Nova then upgraded him into '''Ultra Megatron''', who had a similar success rate.

For the final battle, Dark Nova merged with the remains of Ultra Megatron and formed the massive [[Dark Nova|Star Giant]]. Star Giant was virtually invincible from the outside, so Star Convoy, [[Grandus]] and [[Sky Garry]] traveled inside his body and began tearing up the joint. As soon as they'd inflicted enough damage, the trio escaped just as Star Giant detonated, leaving only his head some-what intact. Fortunately for Megatron, his body was stored within the head, allowing him to survive the explosion.

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====''Generation 2'' story pages and mini-comics====

[[Image:JapG2Meg.jpg|left|250px|thumb|He hasn't lost his knack for monologuing in his old age]]

Recovering from the Star Giant incident, Megatron abandoned his evil ways and was upgraded into a new [[Action Master]] body. His new peaceful intentions were genuine, and he joined with Optimus Prime to form the [[Cybertron Alliance]], ushering in the Second Generation of Transformers. However, after human soldiers killed one of his dearest comrades, he adopted a new body and began the war anew.

Megatron coordinated an onslaught of attacks which mortally wounded Optimus Prime (who had adopted a new missile trailer mode to counter Megatron). Megatron then delivered the fatal blow personally and believed his enemy dead. Killing Optimus Prime wasn't so easy, as the [[spark|essences]] of the previous Autobot Supreme Commanders within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] used the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] to transform Optimus into Laser Optimus Prime. The fight raged on for a while until Prime managed to drive the Decepticon forces to retreat into outer space.

====Comic Bom Bom ''Generation 2'' manga====

In the year 199X, the Decepticons had learned of a powerful new energy source known as [[forestonite]] which just happened to be located (surprise surprise) on [[Earth]]. Megatron sent his trio of [[Cyberjet]]s to Earth first to draw out the enemy Autobots. The Cyberjets made quick work of [[Electro]] but were soon halted by the appearance of Optimus Prime.

Megatron then entered the fray and fired his Black Hole Burn attack from his fusion cannon, narrowly missing Optimus Prime but vaporizing [[Hooligan]] in the process. Prime fought fiercely but Megatron began to take the upper-hand in battle.

However, Prime was encouraged to keep fighting by the cheers of a human boy named [[Junpei]]. Megatron, surprised at Prime's resiliance, attempted to finish his foe off with his Tornado Axe attack. Prime countered with his Double Wheel-Torque Mega-Ton, which trumped Megatron's attack and injured the Decepticon badly. Megatron teleported back to his ship and left Earth's atmosphere, vowing to return.

====''Beast Wars II'' cartoon====
The Predacon [[Galvatron (BWII)|Galvatron]] attempted to use a time-and-space-warping gate to summon Megatron to his aid. [[Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger#Which Megatron?|It is not clear]] whether he was searching for the Predacon [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or the original Decepticon to bear that name.

Galvatron's brother [[Megastorm]] screws up the calculations and instead summons the titanic [[Majin Zarak]]. Galvatron proudly declares "we obtained a weapon far superior to Megatron".

Dissed, Megsey. ''Dissed''! {{storylink|Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger}}

===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books continuity===
:''Voice actor: Earl Hammond(?)''

Megatron calls Soundwave a "blundering tape-filled idiot." {{storylink|When Continents Collide}} This is notable because it is hilarious. Also, Megatron totally sounds like "Mumm-Ra" from ''Thundercats''. Megatron had an odd obsession with drills, mole machines, and other burrowing devices, as he used them frequently in his plans for energy gathering and conquest.

===Marvel Books Big Looker Storybook continuity===

[[Image:KidsCliff1.jpg|right|150px|thumb|MTV pimps Megatron's ride.]]

A bunch of humans set up a race for charity, and the victor would received a year's supply of oil and gasoline. Well, the Decepticons desperately wanted that bounty, so rather than just steal it, they decided to sneak into the race. [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] was one of the Autobots driving in the rally and was unaware that the scary black Cadillac was actually being driven by Megatron! Megatron dogged Cliffjumper for quite a while but ended up losing to the Minibot. Cliffjumper won the race and everybody smiled, even Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Great Car Rally}}

Frighteningly.

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Megatrong1gladiator.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Gladiators can afford extra paint applications.]]

Young Megatron was a gladiatorial combatant in the depths of [[Cybertron_(planet)|Cybertron]]’s underworld. As victory upon victory mounted, he began to realize that the games were nothing more than an elaborate conspiracy by the [[Council of Ancients]] to divert the attentions of the masses from the dangerous truth of Cybertron’s history. When Megatron began to show interest in Cybertron's buried past through exploration and research, the Council of Ancients attempted to have him assassinated - a plan that only resulted in stirring up even more discontent among Cybertronians, allowing Megatron to begin recruiting for the Decepticon movement.

First his "inner circle," then many of the gladiators, and then finally disgruntled civilians answered his call to action. The Decepticons were born. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

[[Image:Fledglingcause.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Megatron is so grass-roots.]]

Megatron's forces began a civil war of Autobot against Decepticon in order to mask his reactivation of the ancient planetary engines buried beneath Cybertron’s surface. As a result, Cybertron would be transformed into a massive warworld that would cut a swathe of destruction through the galaxy. What he required, however, was a power source for the engines, which he believed could be found in the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]. He personally killed [[Sentinel Prime]], but found the Matrix was not with him. He sent two assassination squads after [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], the new [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]], before going for him personally. During the fight, Megatron's lieutenant [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], shot both leaders into a deep hole. During their subsequent battle, Megatron explained his goals, and urged Prime to join him. His attack on Prime also cracked the Matrix's casing, causing both Transformers to see visions of the future. Unfortunately for Megatron, Starscream activated the planet mechaforming process too soon, resulting in the destruction of the machinery, and Prime erased Megatron's memories of the future, and of the engines. {{storylink|The War Within}}

Roughly 7.4 million years BCE, Megatron and Optimus Prime disappeared in an early test of the then-unstable [[Space Bridge]] matter-transport system. Spending an undisclosed time on the planet [[Quintessa]], Megatron returned with an overwhelming army of lifeless [[Air Warrior|seeker clones]], quickly subjugating Cybertron. ''(This story was never finished due to the closure of Dreamwave, though the seekers and presumably Megatron as well were eventually defeated.)''

Four million years BCE, Cybertron was threatened by a massive approaching asteroid, so Optimus Prime led a contingent of Autobots aboard the [[Ark]] to blow the rock to fragments, which were transported away by an orbital Space Bridge network. When this task was completed, Megatron chose this moment to strike, attacking the Ark with his troops. Crippled, the craft flew through one of the Space Bridge portals, and was transported to prehistoric Earth, where it crashed, entombing the occupants in stasis for four million years.

The Autobots and Decepticons were reactivated in 1984, but specific details of their battles in the 1980s and 1990s are unrecorded. (Presumably, they broadly resembled the G1 cartoon and comic books.) In 1999, when a Autobot/Human military alliance succeeded in capturing and deactivating the Decepticons. However, the [[Ark II]] spaceship carrying them back to Cybertron exploded shortly after liftoff, and the Transformers were believed destroyed. In actuality, they had been scattered back to Earth, where they lay in [[stasis lock]] across the globe for three years. This slumber was brought to an end when [[Lazarus|Adam Rook]] (aka Lazarus), a rogue military scientist who had devised a method of controlling Transformers, salvaged many of the fallen Cybertronians and reprogrammed them as mass killing machines, which he then attempted to sell on the black market. Megatron was first to break free of the human's control, overriding the new programming and capturing Lazarus during an auction. Megatron forced Lazarus to watch as he unleashed a technorganic virus designed to transform all of Earth into a new Cybertron. It also served to lure Optimus Prime and the Autobots, also now reactivated, to his location. Megatron, tired of the war, continuously asked Prime to join him. After his first failed attempt, Megatron unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] on [[San Francisco]], ensuing in mass slaughter, in an attempt to show Prime the humans were not worth fighting for. However, the selfless sacrifice of several firemen restored Prime's faith in humanity and allowed him and the Autobots to beat back Megatron.

[[Image:Shockwavedwwarandpeace.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Megatron's a bottom.]]
Several months later. Megatron was subliminally summoned to a remote area in Alaska along with the other Earthbound Transformers. There they battled until Megatron's former second-in-command, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], arrived and revealed that in their absence the war on Cybertron had ended. He arrested Megatron, Prime, and their troops as war criminals. Megatron, weakened by battle, was quickly defeated by Shockwave and loaded aboard his shuttle for return to Cybertron, only to have Starscream seize the opportunity by jettisoning him into space on the return trip. Megatron used the time floating in space to contemplate his existence and the Decepticon goal. Realizing that he had wasted millennia in his feud with Prime, Megatron resolved to once again conquer Cybertron as a means of enhancing the Transformer race and strengthening it from outside threats. It seemed as through he would not live to accomplish this goal, however, as death closed in on him... only for him to be retrieved by the [[Junkion]] [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]. Wreck-Gar took Megatron to the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] and repaired and re-armed him, as well as digging up and reactivating a number of seeker clones that had wound up there after being dumped through space bridge portals. Megatron returned the favor by stabbing him in the back with an energy dagger.

Traveling to the Planet [[Beest]], Megatron defeated the exiled Decepticon warlords, the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]], and rebuilt them into the mightiest of all combiners, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], to serve as his ace in the hole in his quest to reclaim leadership of the Decepticons. Moving in stealth on Cybertron, Megatron defeated Shockwave, severing his laser arm and forcing him into servitude. He then returned to Earth to collect the remaining Decepticons under Starscream's command, and to teach Starscream a lesson long in coming.

''While it was alluded that Megatron had a grand goal in mind that also included the subjugation of the [[Quintessons]], the remainder of the story has yet to be told due to the closure of Dreamwave. However it has been stated by representatives of IDW publishing, the current holders of the Transformer comic license, that once Dreamwave has exited bankruptcy court, they intend to finish the story.''

===Dreamwave ''Transformers/G.I. Joe'' continuity===
Megatron and the other Decepticons were unintentionally revived by [[Major Bludd]]. Bludd's leader, [[Cobra Commander]] used Megatron as a weapon of global conquest. Megatron took the opportunity to harvest energy from the conquered human establishments. To enforce Megatron's loyalty, the Commander was willing to use his possesion of [[The Matrix]] as a weapon capable of causing Megatron great pain. Megatron eagerly awaited the Commander's death.

When Cobra Commander's legs were crushed during Bruticus's rampage, Megatron suggested the Commander use Megatron's gun mode as a means of killing himself to relieve the pain, but it was Baroness who was bold enough to fire the killing shot.

Then Snake-Eyes broke the Matrix and Megatron died. He remained dead.
{{storylink|Transformers/G.I. Joe}}

===Devil's Due ''G.I. Joe vs. The Transformers'' continuity===
[[Image:Megatronddjoe.jpg|right|thumb|250px|[[Joey Slick]] > [[Cobra Commander]]]]
After [[Cobra]], a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world, found a crashed spaceship full of Transformers in [[stasis lock]], these beings were rebuilt into Cobra vehicles and reprogrammed to serve Cobra. One exception to the latter detail was Megatron, who was rebuilt to transform into a Walther P38 handgun, but only was locked in this mode and not reprogrammed. He mocked [[Cobra Commander]]'s decisions, especially deciding [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], Megatron's traitorous lieutenant, would serve as the Commander's choice of transport.

Megatron was able to bargain for his freedom when the Transformers were cleared of their reprogramming, including a very stern [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]. The two leaders clashed, but ultimately Megatron was defeated. Unbeknownst to the victors, Megatron's remains were seized by the United States government. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers}}

Megatron's remains were eventually used to create [[Serpent O.R.]], a synthetic creature that combined the personalities of several of [[Earth]]'s most famous warmongers and Megatron. During a Cobra raid, Serpent O.R. was prematurely activated. After discerning his origins, Serpent O.R. considered himself the son of Megatron. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers: The Art of War|The Art of War}}

=== IDW comics continuity ===

Long ago, before the war, Megatron was an [[Energon]] miner, a member of the lower class, in [[Mine C-12]]. One day [[Decimus|Senator Decimus]] arrived at the mine to announce that the mine was being closed immediately and the workers would be relocated. However, one of the Senator's guards killed a worker for insubordination and claims of Senate corruption, which spurred Megatron into action. He attacked Senator Decimus and killed the guard in self-defense, and was shocked to find he had done so. He and the other miners were en route to imprisonment when [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] broke free and started a riot aboard their ship. They escaped and made their way to [[Kaon]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 1}}

After evading law enforcement, Megatron joined a team of underworld gladiators under the tutelage of [[Clench]]. Initially repulsed by killing his opponents, the games eventually turned him more brutal & excessive and he took control of the entire operation from Clench. The opportunistic Senator [[Ratbat]], after seeing how much money there was in the underworld matches, sent his agent [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] to offer Megatron weaponry and technology to upgrade himself and his comrades. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}} [[Sentinel Prime]]'s Autobots were sent to investigate the gladiatorial games, but when two Autobots were personally killed by Megatron, Prime's forces stepped up their pursuit. Megatron recruited used the gladiatorial games to drum up an army of violent malcontents and spread chaos throughout Cybertron. He then deliberately allowed Sentinel Prime's forces to capture his burgeoning army, {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}} so that [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (pretending to defect) and Soundwave & his hidden cassette army could exterminate the Kaon Senate and then free every last prisoner. Megatron led the army of prisoners against the Autobots, beat Sentinel Prime to death, and took control of Kaon. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4}}

[[Image:Megatrong1idwpreearth.jpg|left|thumb|150px|450 years ago, his helmet was black, but now it's gray. The difference time makes, huh?]] Over time, the war between Megatron's Decepticon army and [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots covered the entire planet and soon beyond to the rest of the galaxy. Optimus grew to respect & fear Megatron as a calm, calculating and measured opponent, a contrast to his almost sociopathic personality in ''Origin'' {{storylink|Escalation issue five}}. Megatron also constructed [[Sixshot]], a living weapon with frightening amounts of power that only he had the "off-switch" for. {{storylink|Devastation issue 5}} The confilct became so great that it created an impending energy crisis and threatened the stability of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself. When [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] left Cybertron, secretly pursuing alternate energy sources, Megatron ordered [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to investigate his files, secretly assigning Soundwave to investigate Bludgeon. {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}}

Later, a Decepticon scientist, [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], came to Megatron with a revolutionary, controversial plan to stave off this energy death by [[Pretender|polydermal grafting]], a process where they encased themselves in "symbiotic carapaces," or shells created from living tissue. When Megatron dismissed him angrily and cut him down, Thunderwing did not abandon his research, but instead experimented on himself. As a result, this made Thunderwing so powerful that Megatron had to join forces with Optimus Prime to stop him. This battle at [[Thunderhead Pass]] accelerated the apocalypse destined to befall Cybertron, leaving it an uninhabitable, radioactive husk and forcing both armies to continue their war on other worlds. Megatron advocated that they simply destroy Cybertron to ensure that Thunderwing was destroyed, but Prime refused, and threatened to stop Megatron if he tried. Megatron agreed not to destroy the planet, but warned Prime that whatever happened was on his head.

[[Image:Megatrong1idwgunbody.jpg|right|thumb|150px|I ''also'' wonder.]]

Seven hundred [[Units of time|stellar cycles]] later, in current times, it was discovered that as a result of digging through Shockwave's files, Bludgeon had resurrected Thunderwing's dangerous project, as well as Thunderwing himself. After being informed of Thunderwing's attack on [[Nebulos]], Megatron dispatched the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacon]]s in a ship to Cybertron, authorizing [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] to do whatever was necessary to destroy Thunderwing, including the destruction of Cybertron. However, Optimus Prime and the [[Wreckers]] were able to thwart both Bludgeon and Thunderwing, and so destruction of the planet was averted. {{storylink|Stormbringer (comics)|Stormbringer}}

Megatron, meanwhile, was on Earth, investigating Starscream's infiltration team. He discovered that Starscream had stumbled across [[Ore-13]], an incredible energy source which had been [[Spotlight: Shockwave|mysteriously seeded there]], and that the [[Air Commander]] was planning to use it to usurp Megatron's command - this annoyed him as he thought they were beyond such power games. After seriously damaging the hesitantly rebellious [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] and [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], Megatron ordered the AWOL team to stand down and then took on a super-powered Starscream. Though the Ore-13 made Starscream a formidable adversary, Megatron was still more deadly than he, and Starscream was destroyed. All throughout, he acted eerily calm & measured and made both Autobot and Decepticon wet themselves in fear. {{storylink|Infiltration}}

Megatron took stock of Starscream's progress on Earth in light of the discovery of Ore-13, repaired Skywarp and Blitzwing, and made Starscream's former troops aware, in no uncertain terms, that any further insurrections would be met with deadly force. But instead of leaving Earth in the hands of a new commander, Megatron stayed to guide the second stage of the Decepticons' plans, wishing to try out his new [[size changing|mass-displacing]] handgun [[altmode]] and the Ore-13 power. He personally took charge of the Decepticon subterfuge in [[Brasnya]], guiding the facsimile of [[Georgi Koska]] in an attempt to escalate an international incident into a full polarizing war, and acting as Koska's personal weapon. (His alt-mode only works when a human is holding and firing him, which left him at a disadvantage against the Autobots who could simply pin him down in that form. Maybe Megs just wants to be held)

When Optimus Prime arrived, Megatron transformed and started a full-blown to-the-death melee with his longtime foe for all the nuts and bolts - this surprised Optimus, who accused Megatron of letting the Ore-13 power go to his head and causing him to be "some raging braggart". Even with his fusion cannon disabled almost right away, Megatron gained the upper hand due to his Ore-13 high. Beating his foe down, he squeezed Prime's Spark and seemingly killed him; aghast, the Autobots moved into a full but ineffective counterattack, their only edge being that Megatron had no long-range guns left. However, Prime's death was a desperate ruse, and the Autobot leader countered with a surprise attack on Megatron, able to exploit Ore-13's weakness - the more it's used, the faster it burns itself out. Megatron almost collapsed from power loss and was forced to have Skywarp take him to safety before the Autobots could kill him.

Upon returning to base and being refueled and repaired, Megatron was hopping mad. Mad enough to prematurely call in his ultimate living weapon{{m-}}[[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]{{m-}}despite [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'s panic attack on hearing that. {{storylink|Escalation}}

During this time, he discovered a plot by [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] to overthrow him. Without saying a word, he beat the living [[slag]] out of the attempted traitor. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ramjet}}

Upon Sixshot's arrival, Megatron ordered him to utterly destroy the Autobots, throwing out the methodical "Phase" stragy. The other Decepticons were worried that Megatron was losing his grip - and since they were too scared to tell him that, they decided to revive Starscream to do it for them. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} Before Sixshot could obliterate the Autobots, Megatron recalled him to deal with a new threat—the [[Reapers]]. {{storylink|Devastation issue 4}} Megatron deduced that the other Decepticons betrayed him by awakening Starscream, but decided not to punish them '''yet''', due to the present task of destroying the Reapers. {{storylink|Devastation issue 5}}

===IDW ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' continuity===
He is referred to (as a leader [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] wants to replace, big surprise), but does not appear. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2}}
====IDW ''Hearts of Steel'' Concept Art micro-continuity====
Megatron is depicted with three different altmodes: a giant cannon (with big studded wheels that become shoulder-shields), a 19th-century Colt revolver, possibly a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_1851_Navy_Revolver Colt 1851 Navy], and another very similar revolver, with an anachronistic scope and a bulkier muzzle. Since these altmodes have no place in the story, these sketches constitute a [[micro-continuity]] in which [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus]] and Megatron are active in the late 19th century.

===''Beast Wars''===
:''Voice actor:''  [[Gary Chalk]]  (English)

[[Image:G1Megatron_MasterBlaster_stasislock.jpg|left|thumb|150px|I know we all need our beauty sleep, but 4 million years, now that's taking the pee.]]

After the Autobot/Decepticon war moved to Earth, Megatron hunted down the [[Voyager probe]] as it traveled through the [[Solar System]] and encoded a message on its disc. Should his efforts fail, he left detailed instructions to any Decepticon descendants who recovered the disc, instructions which apparently condoned use of [[transwarp]] technology to alter history in his favor by locating the ''Ark'' before it is reactivated, with access codes to the ''Ark'' stored in the disk, and killing Optimus Prime before the Autobots and Decepticons reawaken. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}

[[Image:G1Megatron_Disc_Agenda_part2.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Now that's what I call a smile.]]

The disk (dubbed the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|Golden Disk]]) eventually fell into Cybertronian hands and was stolen by a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] who shared Megatron's name. {{storylink|Beast Wars (Part 1)}} This new [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], later stranded in Earth's past, was able to use a recording of the original Megatron to sway one of the original Megatron's most loyal troops, [[Ravage]], to his cause. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}

[[Image:G1Megs_Nemesis_part2_deletedclip.jpg|left|thumb|150px|I was cut out?! This is Starscream's doing!]]

The original Megatron himself was stranded in Earth's past on board the ''Ark'', offline. Before long, Predacon Megatron was able to approach the comatose body of his namesake and steal his [[Spark]], integrating it into his own system. Almost immediately, however, during Predacon Megatron's painful reaction to this integration, he was thrown into a pool of lava by his treacherous underlings. In spite of{{m-}}or perhaps because of{{m-}}this, Predacon Megatron emerged from the lava, with a new body that could now transform into a fire-breathing dragon. It is unknown how much influence the original Megatron's Spark had in this metamorphosis. {{storylink|Master Blaster}} At the end of the ''Beast Wars'', after Predacon Megatron was succumbed, the original Megatron's Spark was returned to his body, restoring the flow of history. <ref>This scene was cut out of "[[Nemesis Part 2]]" for air-time reasons, but its occurrence is still implied by [[Optimus Primal]]'s note that all was as it should be. The clip was added as a special feature to [[Kid Rhino]]'s and [[Madman Entertainment]]'s ''Beast Wars'' season 3 DVD box sets.</ref>

A Megatron is mentioned in the [[Covenant of Primus]], an ancient sacred text which claims to prophesize future events, including the Beast Wars. It is implied that both Megatrons took their name from here. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}
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==Toys==
{{main|Megatron (G1) toys}}

==Trivia==
[[Image:Earlymegatron.jpg|right|thumb|120px|The [[fusion cannon]]'s got that handle because... well, we're not sure.]]

[[Image:P-Megatron.jpg|thumb|right|120px|Microman Megatron's concept model. Back then, he was a little less happy to see you.]]

* Early in the ''Transformers'' series preproduction, Megatron's look was based not on the toy, but on concept art for an unproduced prototype version. This early version, sporting a different, black head, a very different scope/fusion cannon, and the gun's barrel on his back, managed to make its way into not only early commercial animation and licensed material, but into the art of the early Marvel Comics. Though the model was altered before the animated series was produced, elements from the first model were perpetuated such as the back-mounted barrel in both the comic and the cartoon. The Marvel Comics continued to color Megatron's helmet black (well, blue) until the end of its run.

* The name "Megatron" was originally used by Marvel Comics for ''another'' robot that appeared long before the Transformers toyline came about, in issue 18 of the ''Shogun Warriors'' series (written by Doug Moench, art by Herb Trimpe, released in July 1980)<ref>[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/droneracecharter.htm#Megatron Megatron and the "Drones" from Marvel's ''Shogun Warriors'' comic at the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe]</ref>. [[Bob Budiansky]] suggested the name "Megatron" for the Transformers line (it's unclear if he was aware of the existing Marvel character, though as an editor it seems likely that he at least had a subconscious memory of it) but [[Hasbro]] initially rejected it, claiming that "mega" conjured images of nuclear bombs. Budiansky reminded them that the name was supposed to sound evil, because he's the leader of the bad guys. Hasbro responded, "Oh, right," and then approved the name. <ref>[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/bbudiansky_2.php ASM: A Little Q&A with... Bob Budiansky]</ref>

* In the UK comics, [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] explains that Megatron is the equivalent of a 'blueblood,' possessing some royal lineage.<ref>[[Letters page (Marvel UK)]] #227</ref>

* After his fight with Optimus Prime in the animated movie, Megatron appears to have energon leaking from his eyes and mouth. Either that or he's been crying, which seems unlikely.

*In Megatron: Origins #2, we see that Megatron's helmet is, in fact, a helmet and not part of his head. Upon removing his helmet, Megatron then briefly unfurls a crest. The significance of this moment is not explained, nor is it ever revisited.

*Megatron [[Gone But Not Forgotten!|once]] crushed [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl's]] head with his bare hands!
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==Footnotes==
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==External links==
* [http://tfu.info/1984/Decepticon/Megatron/megatron.htm Megatron at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Megatron Megatron's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

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User:Spriteless

2008-04-11T07:53:35Z

Spriteless: So cute!

Yoshihisa Araki

2008-04-11T07:35:45Z

Spriteless: I'm helping! But this is all internet research anyways...

Yoshihisa Araki was an anime screenwriter in the 70s and 80s. In Transformers he wrote some episodes of [[The Headmasters (cartoon)|The Headmasters]], [[Super-God Masterforce]], and [[Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]. Outside of Transformers, he wrote some episodes of other anime titles including the original Mobile Suit Gundam, Star Wolf, Anne of Green Gables, and Attacker You! (starring a volleyball player named You).

I do not know when he was born, or if he is still alive. I cannot find any photos. It is as if he is from a [[Japan|strange culture that respects privacy]]. I suspect he is at least retired, as he hasn't written any cartoons in over a decade.
==Episode scripts==
===The Headmasters===
* List of Headmasters episodes.
===Super-God Masterforce===
* "[[Kidnapping!? The Targeted Jumbo Jet]]"
* "[[Birth! Headmaster Jrs]]"
* "[[Super Warriors - The Godmaster Brothers]]"
* "[[Ginrai: God On of Rage!!]]"
* "[[Friend or Foe!? The True Form of the Monster!!]]"
* "[[Lightfoot: A Dramatic Encounter]]"
* "[[At Full Strength! The Four Godmaster Gunmen]]"
* "[[Life? Death? Lightfoot Must Choose]]"
* "[[Will the Bomber Project Be Destroyed!?]]"
* "[[Overlord - Terror of the Chokon Tornado]]"
* "[[Appearance!! The Final Godmaster]]"
* "[[BlackZarak - Destroyer from Space]]"
* "[[Crisis! The Day of the Downfall of Humanity]]"
* "[[The Ultimate Combination!! BlackZarak, the New Lifeform]]"
* "[[Autobots! Desperate Attack!!]]"
* "[[A Battle... and Then...]]"
===Victory===
* "[[Attack! Leozack]]"
* "[[Move Out! Rescue Team]]"
* "[[Big City - Underground Terror]]"
* "[[The New Warrior - Hellbat]]"
==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0032905/ IMDB profile]
* [http://www.gundamofficial.com/worlds/uc/msg/credits/index.html Gundam credits] - His work for Gundam isn't listed in IMDB,
* [http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/people.php?id=701 Anime news network profile] - but it is here.
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The Transformers (cartoon)

2008-04-11T04:41:39Z

Spriteless: /* Production */ I'm pretty sure humans weren't around mya, but bodies were, so, um, jokes are funnier with bigger numbers.

{{picsneeded|Title card from Season One opening credits (the slanted version), Decepticon Headquarters, a shot with a lot of cast members.}}

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[[Image:G1Season1Logo.jpg|Right|thumb|350px|In space, no one can hear your trumpets go Dah-NUN NUN NAHHHHHH!]]

More than any other of the many media which [[Transformer]]s have invaded in the past 20+ years, it is '''''The Transformers''''', the original cartoon that ran from 1984 to 1987, which captured the imagination of children and children-at-heart worldwide.

==Overview==
[[Image:Cybertronplanet.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Depleted of energy... aside from the [[Primus|power source that lights up the entire core of the planet]].]]

The cartoon (along with the [[Generation 1 (Marvel comic)|Marvel comics]]) set up the basic story of Transformers that most other incarnations were to follow: two warring factions of robots on the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] leave in search of resources. The factions crash-land on [[Earth]] and, millions of years later, begin their battle anew in Reagan-era [[United States|America]] and across the globe.

Once established, the cartoon rarely took any steps to upset its status quo. Plots generally centered on a [[Decepticon]] plot or invention of the week, which would be used to gather energy or Defeat The [[Autobot]]s FOREVER!!, and the Autobots' efforts to stop the plan. Most of the time the Decepticons were forced into retreat, and the Autobots drove off victorious. At most, a new character or team was added to one side or the other. Plots became a bit less formulaic during Season 3, though character death and true plot upheaval remained a rarity.

Through its 98-episode run, this series took viewers around the globe and to many strange places and times: across the alien Cybertron, the Earth's prehistoric past, the Earth's then-future of 2005, the ''Metropolis''-like society of [[Nebulos]], and more. It is not the best animated series ever to air, but it stimulated viewers with its concept at the time, and continued to do so in the years to come.
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==Production==
[[Image:CrashedArk1.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Nobody on Earth noticed this for millions of years.]]

Writing and distribution for this series were handled as a joint effort by [[Marvel Productions]] and [[Sunbow Productions]]. Animation was produced overseas, primarily by [[Toei]] and [[AKOM]].

The original 30 or so characters were heavily modified from their toy designs for aesthetics and ease of animation. Among the artists involved in the original designs are [[Shōhei Kohara]] and [[Floro Dery]]. Other known production artists include [[Dell Barras]], who worked on second season backgrounds.

Story editors for the series included [[Flint Dille]], [[Marv Wolfman]], and [[Steve Gerber]]. Episode scripts were written by a large array of freelance writers. Writers notable for writing numerous episodes include [[Donald F. Glut]] and [[David Wise]].

The series was animated on an enormously rushed schedule, due to the need to get episodes on the air in sync with the toys appearing on shelves. That, combined with the vast number of characters and the difficulties involved with the overseas animation process, resulted in a cartoon that is notoriously riddled with [[animation error]]s and other mistakes. The producers were often aware of these mistakes, but tight deadlines left them no time to correct them.

[[Image:ShockwaveDesertionOfTheDinobots1.jpg|left|thumb|200px|My toy's so great, I bought one myself!]]

Another byproduct of the rushed production is that the show tends not to be very self-referential. Continuity between episodes is minimal, with most acting as self-contained, standalone stories, though a few Season Two and Season Three stories did build on previous episodes. Within each season, the addition of new characters is the only common change to the status quo.

Mistakes or not, the show is fondly remembered by many fans for the high quality of its voice acting. Indeed, many characters, lacking any significant plot developments or screen time, were brought to life solely by their unique voices and inflection styles. Voice direction for the series was provided by [[Wally Burr]], notorious for driving his performers to the limit. One of the performers in his stable, [[Susan Blu]], would later go on to work as voice director for ''[[Beast Wars]]'', ''[[Beast Machines]]'', and ''[[Transformers Animated]]''.

[[Image:RollForIt Spacebridge recieves.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Looks safer than flying United.]]

The ''sinister'' voice of [[Victor Caroli]] provided narration for the entire series, most commonly heard on the commercial break bumpers: "The Transformers will return after these messages!" Caroli's voice also provided occasional introductory narration, recap segments for multi-part episodes, and the ''[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]'' segments which ran before the credits of Season 3.

In addition to the show's iconic [[theme song]], ''Transformers'' featured a great variety of background music, composed by [[Robert J. Walsh]]. Walsh had previously worked on the ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' cartoon, and many of those pieces were reused for ''Transformers''. New pieces were composed as well, many incorporating the melody of the show's theme song. Walsh composed new music for 2nd and 3rd seasons, each in a different style, further distinguishing the three main seasons from one another.
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==Episodes==
{{note|These episodes are listed in production order rather than original airdate. In a few instances, this means that episodes are not in the correct chronological story order, the specifics of which are noted in their own articles. Note that Season 3, in particular, suffers from this—the [[Kid Rhino]] DVD release of the season reordered the episodes in question so that they were in order, but also reordered many episodes that did not have any placement problems, throwing off the whole shebang. Conversely, the Region 2 [[Metrodome]] release of the season just reorganized the problematic ones.}}

{{see|List of Generation 1 episodes}}

===Season 1===
[[Image:DinobotsG1.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Remember those dinosaur guys? Man, they were awesome.]]
The first season is primarily set on [[Earth]], with a few excursions to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. It started with the 1984 toys as its characters, and introduced the early wave of 1985 toys as it progressed—the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s, [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s, and [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]].

{{collist|2|
# "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"
# "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]"
# "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]"
# "[[Transport to Oblivion]]"
# "[[Roll For It]]"
# "[[Divide and Conquer]]"
# "[[Fire in the Sky]]"
# "[[S.O.S. Dinobots]]"
# "[[Fire on the Mountain]]"
# "[[War of the Dinobots]]"
# "[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 1]]"
# "[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 2]]"
# "[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]"
# "[[Countdown to Extinction]]"
# "[[A Plague of Insecticons]]"
# "[[Heavy Metal War]]"
}}

===Season 2===
[[Image:Master builders prime basketball.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Didn't they make Optimus Prime play soccer or something once? Man, that was dumb.]]
The very long second season greatly expanded the cartoon's scope and cast. The second season tends to feature more character-driven episodes than the first season, with many characters getting their own "spotlight" episode. It also features a recurring theme of the Autobots assimilating Earth culture, such the Autobots playing basketball and football and even watching a soap opera. Excursions to alien civilizations popped up occasionally as well. The second season also saw the introduction of concepts and characters that would spread out to other fictions, including the mystic [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], the ancient [[Vector Sigma]] supercomputer and its [[Key to Vector Sigma|circuit key]], and the first appearance of [[Female Transformers]] within official fiction.

The second season also marked a move from weekly airings (usually on Saturday mornings) to a "stripped" show, aired Monday through Friday, either in the morning or afternoon. Some markets also scheduled it in conjunction with daily episodes of ''[[G.I.Joe]]''.

Season Two breaks down very roughly into three segments:
* The first dozen episodes feature (primarily) the Season One cast.
* A large second batch of episodes brings in the remainder of the 1985 toys.
* The final ten episodes introduce the four [[combiner]] teams that formed the early entries in the 1986 line.
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{{collist|2|
# "[[Autobot Spike]]"
# "[[Changing Gears]]"
# "[[City of Steel]]"
# "[[Attack of the Autobots]]"
# "[[Traitor]]"
# "[[The Immobilizer]]"
# "[[The Autobot Run]]"
# "[[Atlantis, Arise!]]"
# "[[Day of the Machines]]"
# "[[Enter the Nightbird]]"
# "[[A Prime Problem]]"
# "[[The Core]]"
# "[[The Insecticon Syndrome]]"
# "[[Dinobot Island, Part 1]]"
# "[[Dinobot Island, Part 2]]"
# "[[The Master Builders]]"
# "[[Auto Berserk]]"
# "[[Microbots]]"
# "[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1]]"
# "[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2]]"
# "[[Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1]]
# "[[Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2]]
# "[[Blaster Blues]]"
# "[[A Decepticon Raider in King Arthur's Court]]"
# "[[The Golden Lagoon]]"
# "[[The God Gambit]]"
# "[[Make Tracks]]"
# "[[Child's Play (episode)|Child's Play]]"
# "[[Quest for Survival]]"
# "[[The Secret of Omega Supreme]]"
# "[[The Gambler]]"
# "[[Kremzeek!]]"
# "[[Sea Change]]"
# "[[Triple Takeover]]"
# "[[Prime Target]]"
# "[[Auto-Bop]]"
# "[[The Search for Alpha Trion]]"
# "[[The Girl Who Loved Powerglide]]"
# "[[Hoist Goes Hollywood]]"
# "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]]"
# "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]"
# "[[Aerial Assault]]"
# "[[War Dawn]]"
# "[[Trans-Europe Express]]"
# "[[Cosmic Rust (episode)|Cosmic Rust]]"
# "[[Starscream's Brigade]]"
# "[[The Revenge of Bruticus]]"
# "[[Masquerade]]"
# "[[B.O.T.]]"
}}

===Intermediate===
[[Image:Tftm1986b.jpg|right|thumb|Then they like, killed him in the movie. Man, that was awesome.]]
''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' is in continuity with the cartoon series, occurring 20 years after the end of Season 2. It was the single biggest turning point for the series, and remains controversial. The movie saw the introductions of [[Unicron]], the [[Quintesson]]s, and the [[Matrix of Leadership]], all of which would play important roles in Season 3. It made radical changes to the show's cast, killing off many characters and introducing new ones—a shock to young viewers who were used to their heroes driving off into the sunset at the end of every adventure.

Despite its unconventional place in the cartoon canon, it remains the best-known representation of the cartoon series among fans.

===Season 3===
[[Image:Intro3 4 with error.jpg|thumb|left|200px|They didn't make any more cartoons after the movie. Yeah, the movie totally [[Ruined FOREVER|killed Transformers]].]]
Season 3 ''transformed'' the whole premise of the show. Gone were the two teams stranded on Earth, along with many of the characters that composed those teams. In their place was a galaxy-spanning tale of battles on alien worlds. With the Autobots in firm control of Cybertron, the Decepticons, though still a threat, were somewhat reduced as villains; new enemies in the form of the [[Quintesson]]s were introduced. Plots often centered on the ultra-powerful city bots, [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and [[Trypticon]].

Season 3 has a mixed reputation. It contains some of the most mistake-laden episodes of the entire franchise ("Five Faces of Darkness", "Carnage in C Minor", the introduction sequence at left) most of which can be laid at the feet of [[AKOM]]. But some of its episodes are among the best as well, both in animation and scripting; "Dark Awakening", "Chaos", "Webworld", and "Dweller in the Depths" are all heavy fan favorites.

Late in Season 3, as in Season 2, the forerunners of the 1987 toy line were introduced: the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s, [[Technobot]]s, and [[Throttlebot]]s, and (very briefly) the cassettes [[Slugfest]] and [[Overkill]]. The season concluded with the resurrection of Optimus Prime, spurred on by a massive campaign on the part of fans, who were displeased by his death and subsequent "evil" resurrection.
{{collist|2|
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]"
# "[[The Killing Jar]]"
# "[[Chaos (episode)|Chaos]]"
# "[[Dark Awakening]]"
# "[[Forever is a Long Time Coming]]"
# "[[Starscream's Ghost]]"
# "[[Thief in the Night]]"
# "[[Surprise Party]]"
# "[[Madman's Paradise]]"
# "[[Nightmare Planet]]"
# "[[Ghost in the Machine]]"
# "[[Webworld]]"
# "[[Carnage in C-Minor]]"
# "[[The Quintesson Journal]]"
# "[[The Ultimate Weapon]]"
# "[[The Big Broadcast of 2006]]"
# "[[Fight or Flee]]"
# "[[Dweller in the Depths]]"
# "[[Only Human]]"
# "[[Grimlock's New Brain]]"
# "[[Money is Everything]]"
# "[[Call of the Primitives]]"
# "[[The Face of the Nijika]]"
# "[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]"
# "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1]]"
# "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]"
}}

===Season 4===
[[Image:Bumblebee and Goldbug.jpg|right|thumb|200px|They kept making the toys? But weren't those like, the [[Action Master|ones that couldn't transform]] or something?]]

How the truncated Season 4 came about remains a mystery, though presumably the short version is that [[Hasbro]] pulled out its funding support. Whether anything further was ever planned is not known; see ''[[Misconceptions_and_urban_legends_about_Transformers#The_original_cartoon|Urban legends about Transformers]]'' for more.

As it is, the "season" consisted of a single three-part episode, that somewhat hastily brought in thirty or so new Transformer characters as well as [[Nebulos|Nebulan]] partners for 22 of them, and attempted to provide a satisfactory conclusion to the series as a whole.

The previous three seasons each feature fully original opening credits. For Season 4, however, the opening credit sequence is a mishmash of existing animation, combining high-quality animation sequences from some of the 1986 and 1987 toy commercials with segments of the Season 3 opening credits, which were of a visibly different art style.

# "[[The Rebirth, Part 1]]"
# "[[The Rebirth, Part 2]]"
# "[[The Rebirth, Part 3]]"

===Season 5===
Season 5 did not feature any new episodes, but rather consisted of 15 episodes from the previous seasons and ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' broken up into five episodes, for a total of 20 episodes. New opening and closing footage was added to each episode, which portrayed an animatronic puppet of [[Powermaster]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] meeting regularly with a live-action human named [[Tommy Kennedy]] to tell him old Transformers stories.
{{collist|2|
# "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"
# "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]"
# "[[More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]"
# ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (Day 1)
# ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (Day 2)
# ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (Day 3)
# ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (Day 4)
# ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (Day 5)
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]"
# "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5]]"
# "[[Surprise Party]]"
# "[[Dark Awakening]]"
# "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 1]]"
# "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]"
# "[[The Rebirth, Part 1]]"
# "[[The Rebirth, Part 2]]"
# "[[The Rebirth, Part 3]]"
}}

==Japanese release==
With the success of ''Transformers'' proven by Hasbro, [[Takara]] elected to cut short their plans for a new ''[[Diaclone]]'' line in 1985 and import the ''Transformers'' toyline and cartoon instead. To play catch-up with Hasbro markets, Takara combined the first two years of toys and cartoon into one series, which was given the rather ostentatious title of '''''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers]]'''''. Although two episodes out of these sixty-five were cut ("Attack of the Autobots" and "Day of the Machines"), an additional nine clip episodes were produced, bringing the total number of ''Fight!'' episodes to seventy-two. However, all of these additional episodes are summarized episodes ("the reviewing episodes") featuring segments from the first and the second seasons without any newly-created scenes.

In 1986, after the release of the OVA ''[[Scramble City]]'' (but not ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', which was not released in Japan until 1989) the series was rebranded as '''''[[Transformers 2010|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010]]'''''. All thirty episodes from the third season were dubbed for ''2010'', and two additional clip episodes were produced, bringing the total to thirty-two. The two additional ones are summarized episodes featuring segments from the third season without any newly created scenes. The number "2010" was originally added into the title in order to make the series feel more futuristic to the audience. However, "2010" eventually became the year in which the series took place.{{Fact|January, 2008}}

The list of the summarized episodes in Japan: 
*'''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'''
:14. "[[Birth of the Transformers!]]"
:55. "[[War Without End]]"
:56. "[[Desperate Battle on Dinobot Island]]"
:57. "[[Devastator, the Giant Warrior]]"
:58. "[[Neverending Struggle]]"
:69. "[[Earth's Greatest Crisis]]"
:70. "[[Seek the Cybertonium]] "
:71. "[[Stunticons vs. Aerialbots]] "
:72. "[[Mutiny of the Combaticons]]"

*'''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010'''
:29. "[[Daniel's Adventure]]"
:30. "[[The Desperate Struggle of Justice]]"

The numbers are the airing order in Japan.

"The Rebirth" was not broadcast in Japan, in favor of producing a brand new series to continue the story of the animated continuity, beginning with ''[[The Headmasters (cartoon)|The Headmasters]]''. In later years, however, "Attack of the Autobots", "Day of the Machines", and "The Rebirth" were all released on laserdisc, and all the episodes were eventually included on DVD as well.

===Edits===

The Japanese release of the three American seasons were edited by Takara before their broadcast in Japan. These edits were made not for content, but for length so that the show could accommodate longer opening and ending sequences.

The combined length of the U.S. opening and ending sequences was about one minute and ten seconds. The combined length of the Japanese opening and ending sequences, however, was about two minutes and twenty seconds. This resulted in roughly one minute and ten seconds being cut from every single episode.

A few examples of "unnecessary" scenes that were cut to make space for J-pop:

* "[[Roll for It]]". The scene where [[Spike Witwicky|Spike]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] first reach the laboratory and meet the southern-accented security guard that gives them clearance.

* "[[Divide and Conquer]]". The scene where the Autobots first return to [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]'s base and he opens fire on them.

* "[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1]]". The scene where Spike, [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and [[Chip Chase|Chip]] cheer for the Autobots during the Autobot Day parade.

* "[[Only Human]]". The scene where the informant tells [[Victor Drath]] that [[Cobra Commander|Old Snake]] is down the street pacing back and forth, and gets punched in the face as payment.

The only episodes not to be edited for length are "[[Attack of the Autobots]]", "[[Day of the Machines]]", ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and all three episodes of "[[The Rebirth, Part 1|The Rebirth]]". These were not edited for length because they were all released straight to video, where broadcasting time slots were not an issue.

==DVD releases==
===[[Kid Rhino]] (US)===
*'''''Transformers'' First Season Collector's Edition'''
*'''''Transformers'' Season 2 Part 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' Season 2 Part 2'''
*'''''Transformers'' Season 3 Part 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' Season 3 Part 2/Season 4'''

===[[Madman Entertainment]] (Aus)===
*'''''Transformers'' Collection 1 — Season 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' Collection 2 — Season 2 Part 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' Collection 3 — Season 2 Part 2'''
*'''''Transformers'' Collection 4 — Season 3 Part 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' Collection 5 — Season 3 Part 2'''
*'''''Transformers'' Collection 6 — Season 4'''
*'''''The Best of Transformers Generation 1'''''
*'''''Transformers Generation 1 — Complete Collection'''''

===[[Maverick Entertainment]] (UK)===
*'''''Transformers'' — Original Series, Vol 1''' (Season 1, episodes 9–13)
*'''''Transformers'' — Original Series, Vol 2''' (Season 1, episodes 1–6)
*'''''Transformers'' — Original Series, Vol 3''' (Season 1, episodes 7, 8, 14–16)
*'''''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series''' (complete Season 1)
*'''''Transformers — Five Faces of Darkness'''''
*'''''Transformers — The Rebirth'''''

===[[Metrodome]] (UK)===
*'''''Transformers'' — Season 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 1'''
*'''''Transformers'' — Season 2 Part 2'''
*'''''Transformers'' — Season 3 & Season 4'''
*'''''Transformers — The Complete Generation 1 Collection'''''
*'''''Transformers — Generation 1 Bumper Special'''''
*'''''Transformers — The Classic Episodes'''''

===[[Pioneer|Pioneer LDC]] (JP)===
*'''''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' DVD-BOX 1''' (episode 1–35)
*'''''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' DVD-BOX 2''' (episode 36–63, and the [[Attack of the Autobots|other]] [[Day of the Machines|two]] episodes)
*'''''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' 2010 DVD-BOX''' (Season 3, Season 4)
:''Note: These Japanese DVD are released without the additional summarized episodes.''

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Talk:Mint in sealed box

2008-04-10T07:10:13Z

Spriteless:

I really, really don't think that ridiculous Deathy quote belongs in this article at all. It's not as if it is representative of anything but one particular doofus, who most of the Wiki's potential users have surely never even heard of, and lucky them. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:57, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'd say it's representative of the "Loose toys are dirtied by their previous owners, MISB is sparklin' clean!" rationale of buying only MISB. Same reason I don't buy clothes from thrift stores. (Goddamnit, that quote ''screams'' to be mocked. Maybe as a image caption?) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:12, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, if that quote is to be mocked here at all, it certainly shouldn't be in isolation at the top of the page as it is now. "A lot of people have aids & other deadly diseases" should not be the first words one reads in this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:30, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I think it's an apt warning for those who dare to buy germ-filled toys. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:32, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
::::I laughed my socks off at that quote... [[User:83.141.101.189|83.141.101.189]] 16:16, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
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Code of Interplanetary Conflict

2008-04-09T06:58:18Z

Spriteless: /* IDW comics continuity */

:''The Code of Interplanetary Conflict is a treaty in the [[IDW]]-portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

In the [[Great War|war]] between the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, each faction shares one common goal: total destruction of the other. Only one side was genuinely interested in negotiation, and that time has long passed. But there are rules in war, and the '''Code of Interplanetary Conflict''' governs this one.

==Fiction==
===IDW comics continuity===
One of the major tenets of the Code of Interplanetary Conflict states that [[Transformer|Cybertronian]] technology must not be shared with other races. [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], an enforcer of the [[Tyrest Accord]], says that [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] was particularly bad with this particular tenet of the accord, willingly supplying front organizations run by other species with Cybertronian technology and allowing their own innovations to go from there. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}}

After [[Sixshot]] managed to shoot down the ''[[Ark-19]]'', [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] set the ship to self-destruct after evacuating the crew and transferring data to the ''[[Ark-32]]'', in compliance with the Code of Interplanetary Conflict. Bear in mind, he's upholding a treaty with [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] even after the latter just sent [[Sixshot]] to kill him. When Optimus Prime makes a promise, he keeps it. {{storylink|Devastation}}

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Sideswipe (G1)

2008-04-09T06:43:41Z

Spriteless: /* IDW comics continuity */ unbypass unredirect

{{disambig3|Sideswipe}}

:''Sideswipe is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:G1Sideswipe_MTMTE.jpg|thumb|right|250px|I've never done anything important, but people love me anyway! Sweet!]]

'''Sideswipe''' is not nearly as much of sociopath as his brother [[Sunstreaker]], but he is every bit as skillful. He's more into battle for the sport of it. A bit of a jock, Sideswipe most craves a glorious fight to the finish as a test of his mettle.

There is a reckless edge to Sideswipe's tactics. He makes rash decisions that may endanger him, all in the name of possible victory. Cheating is also not out of the question. When everything is on the line, for Sideswipe, nothing is out of the question. However, Sideswipe is not without his humor. It's long accepted that Sideswipe is the resident prankster of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', along with the occasional prank from [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]].

''Italian name:'' '''Freccia''' 
''French-Canadian name:'' '''Frérot''' 
''Japanese name:'' '''Lambor''' (ra-n-bo-ru, ランボル)'' 
''Hungarian name'': '''Csatár''' (meaning Striker)

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 Cartoon===
:''Voice Actor:'' [[Michael Bell]] (US), [[Kōki Kataoka]] (Japan)

{{charstubfiction}}
Sideswipe was part of the initial crew of Autobots aboard the ''Ark'' when it crash-landed on [[Earth]] four million years ago. He awoke along with his fellow Transformers in 1984, with both he and brother being reformatted into Lamborghini sports cars. Sideswipe loaned [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] the use of his rocket pack when the Decepticons nearly escaped from Earth with a starship full of [[Energon]]. {{Storylink|More Than Meets the Eye, Part 3|MTMTE Part 3}}

[[Image:Sideswipe FakeBreakdown.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Maybe someday [[e-Hobby|there]] will be a Sideswipe toy [[redeco]] with [[Breakdown]]'s color scheme.]]

Sideswipe and Sunstreaker often operated together. When [[antimatter]]-fueled [[Decepticon]]s attacked the ''Ark'' on one occasion, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker took to the air to battle with the incoming [[Seeker]] jets, in a rambunctious, if ultimately ineffective, display of "jet judo." {{Storylink|Roll For It}}

When investigating tremors that were shaking the [[Ark|Autobot base]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]'s scanner found some interesting objects inside a rock wall. Sideswipe, using his piston-like arms, helped [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] remove the rock wall and found a cave full of dinosaur bones, the discovery of which would lead to the development of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. {{Storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots}}

Sideswipe once disguised himself as [[Breakdown]] in order to stop [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s evil plan, along [[Windcharger|with]] [[Jazz (G1)|four]] [[Mirage (G1)|other]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Autobots]]. {{Storylink|Masquerade}}
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===Marvel Comics continuity===
====''Generation 1''====
Sideswipe, along with his brother Sunstreaker, was part of the original crew of Optimus Prime's ''Ark''. When the Decepticons attacked the ship it crashed on Earth and Sideswipe, along with the rest of the combatants, lay dormant for 4 million years. When the volcano that housed the ''Ark'' erupted, the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s internal mechanisms revived all Transformers, making no distinction between [[Autobot]] and [[Decepticon]]. Sideswipe was alive again.

When the Autobots went to retrieve their fallen comrade [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] from [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s garage, they were attacked by Decepticons. Against his brother's better judgment, Sideswipe employed his energon-gobbling rocket pack to take the fight right to the Decepticon jets. The 'Cons were driven off, but without a source of fuel to recharge on, several Autobots, including Sideswipe, were left virtually empty after the battle, and were sidelined. {{Storylink|Power Play!}} ''Though he could not go on missions, Sideswipe was still able to defend the ''Ark'' from invasion when the Decepticons came right to his doorstep. He was confronted by that junk-punk [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]'s earthquake-making ability and turned the tables on him, overpowering Rumble with his pile-driver punches. {{Storylink|Raiders of the Last Ark}}''

Sideswipe's inactivity continued even longer after [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] took over the ''Ark'' and deactivated all the Autobots in the ship. After [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] regained control of the ''Ark'' for the Autobots, he was able to revive Sideswipe to full functionality in short order, and their new deal for fuel with [[G.B. Blackrock]] kept them energized. ''During the Dinobot Hunt, Sideswipe traveled to [[Doonstown]] with [[Huffer]] and [[Bluestreak]] on a mission to capture the feral [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. It... didn't go so well, and the various gnawed-upon pieces of Sideswipe were not seen again for some time. {{Storylink|Dinobot Hunt}}''

Sideswipe would eventually be seen again at the feud fight between [[Blaster]] and Grimlock on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. {{Storylink|Totaled!}}

====''Generation 2''====
Sideswipe was part of Grimlock's firestormers, acting as a raiding party against territories controlled by [[Jhiaxus]]' [[Cybertronian]]s. {{storylink|War Without End!}} He had a more prominent role in subsequent events than he has had in the past. Sideswipe was present for the last battle against the [[Swarm]], but his final fate is uncertain. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====Generation Two Comics (UK)====
Sideswipe was part of [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s Special Commando Unit, summoned to Earth along with Optimus Prime by Grimlock when [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] began open war on the humans.

===3H ''[[Universe (comic)|Universe]]'' comics===
Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, [[Trailbreaker]], [[Roulette]] and [[Shadow Striker]] returned to the [[technorganic]] [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after a prolonged journey and were welcomed by the [[Maximal]]s. [[Unicron]] abducted these newly-returned Transformers, in addition to many others from different times and universes, to start a final confrontation against [[Primus]]. Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were rebuilt into new forms, corrupted by Unicron's influence, and set against one another in the [[Cauldron]]. Before either brother could land a killing blow, however, the fight was broken up by [[Optimus Primal]]. Sideswipe then fought his way out of Unicron alongside many other Transformers rescued by Primal and returned to Cybertron.

===Dreamwave ''Generation 1'' Comics===
Sideswipe was one of the few Autobots to continue operating under that title during the [[Dreamwave timeline#The Dark Ages|Dark Ages]] of Cybertron. Sideswipe was one of the elite warriors serving under [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and as such was chosen for the mission that sent him against the newly constructed Decepticon battle station, [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. Of course the mission was a failure, but that isn't likely to have discouraged Sideswipe.

Sideswipe was part of Operation Liberation in 1998, a joint human-Autobot effort to defeat the Earth-bounded Decepticons. At the end it was a success, and the captured Decepticons along with the Autobots and a human crew departed Earth en route to Cybertron in the ''[[Ark II]]''. The ship, however, was sabotaged and exploded upon liftoff.

A few years later, Megatron and other Transformers, including Autobots, were seen causing havoc. It was discovered that [[Lazarus]], a scientist who participated in the ''Ark II'' project, was responsible for the sabotage of the ship and the resurrection of several Transformers under his control via technological tampering. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1}}

[[Robert Hallo|General Hallo]] of the [[United States Military|US Military]] contacted [[Spike Witwicky]] to ask him if he could do something to help them reactivate Optimus Prime, whom they had recovered locked in a state of stasis. Spike managed to reactivate Optimus with a portion of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] that Optimus had given him prior the ill-fated journey of the ''Ark II''. Optimus subsequently went to the Arctic and used the Matrix to reactivate several Transformers, including Sideswipe. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 2}}

Sideswipe accepted the new task at hand and fought alongside his brother when the Autobots faced the Decepticons at Lazarus' ruined base (punching Starscream in the face for attacking Wheeljack) before Hallo betrayed the Autobots by attempting to destroy both factions with a nuclear weapon. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 3}} The Autobots survived when Megatron's technovirus absorbed the blast, and Sideswipe helped his comrades recover the captive Autobots imprisoned inside the base. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 4}}

As Jazz's unit worked on Megatron's virus, Sideswipe followed Optimus Prime to [[San Francisco]] for the last battle against Megatron and his Decepticons. When [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] was taken down, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker heroically (though foolishly) charged at [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], and they were smashed between the giant Constructicon's palms for their trouble. After Optimus Prime brought Devastator down with a blast to the head, Sideswipe was restrained by the surviving Decepticons. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 5}} However, through [[human]] intervention, Optimus Prime freed his Autobots and the battle was rejoined. Sideswipe tag-teamed with his brother to pummel [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]], though the Decepticons eventually escaped when Superion sacrificed his life to save the city from General Hallo's unauthorized nuclear missile launch. {{Storylink|Prime Directive issue 6}}

[[Image:G1_Sideswipe_Sunstreaker_DWissue7.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Hi, I'm a jock.]]

Sideswipe remained on Earth as part of Jazz's unit, while Optimus Prime returned to Shockwave's united Cybertron. He was deactivated in battle with [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] when Starscream and his followers returned to Earth, and was left to rust at the bottom of a lake. {{Storylink|Night of the Combaticons}} [[Warpath]] and [[Bumper]] later dredged him and the others up, only to be taken into custody by [[Earth Defense Command]]. Jazz, Sideswipe, and Sunstreaker were reactivated to help [[Marissa Faireborn]] and her team in investigating an outbreak of [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s in small-town America. {{Storylink|Infestation}} After routing and capturing the Decepticons, Sideswipe and the other Autobots joined up with the returning team from Cybertron under Prowl's command, and began construction of [[Autobot City]]. {{Storylink|The Route of All Evil}}
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===IDW comics continuity===
[[Image:MegsOrigin3_Sunstreak_Sideswipe_glory.jpg|thumb|right|350px|Sideswipe's just feeling small standing under [[Nova Prime]]'s crotch.]]

Before the war, Sideswipe appears to have attended illegal underground arena [[gladiatorial combat|deathmatches]] alongside Sunstreaker, witnessing Megatron's 54th victory.{{Storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2}} When his brother Sunstreaker wanted to join Megatron's underground fighting team, Sideswipe went along to try and talk him out of it. Whether they stuck around and were caught up in the Autobot Security raid is unknown. {{Storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3}}

Later, as war engulfed Cybertron, Sideswipe was one of the many Autobots trained by [[Kup]]. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Kup}}

[[Image:SpotlightGalvatron_Sideswipe_rocketfist.jpg|thumb|left|250px|This hand of mine glows with an awesome power!]]

Much to his dismay, Sideswipe was recently stationed at [[Thunderhead Pass]] on Cybertron guarding [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]'s remains. Sideswipe wanted action, something he wasn't going to get standing guard over comatose Decepticons. His desire to "bust some heads" became even stronger after Sunstreaker was apparently kidnapped during his duties on Earth, and Sideswipe began actively disregarding his squadron leader, [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], to routinely contact High Command and demand a transfer. His need for action was alleviated, however, when [[Galvatron (G1)|a mysterious and powerful transformer]] attacked Cybertron. Sideswipe blew off part of the being's head, but he recovered almost immediately and knocked Sideswipe and the rest of the Autobots offline, then stole Thunderwing away. {{Storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}}

Soon after, Optimus Prime apparently caved in to Sideswipe's pleading and put [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] in charge of Thunderhead Pass, transferring Hound's entire team, including Sideswipe, to Earth once Megatron began breaking [[Infiltration protocol]]. {{Storylink|Devastation issue 1}}

===IDW ''[[Hearts of Steel]]'' continuity===
Sideswipe participated in the pursuit of [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], and partially transformed from artillery boxcar mode to robot mode in order to shoot down [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. He is the only Autobot other than [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]], and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] to speak in the whole story, and he only gets one line: "The name is Sideswipe." {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 4}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Sideswipe''' (Autobot Car, 1984/1985, 2001/2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''04''', '''TFC-07'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, missile launcher, 3 missiles

[[Image:G1sideswipe.jpg|right|thumb|200px|He had the look before it was [[Spy Changer|trendy]].]]

: Originally a ''[[Diaclone]]'' "New Countach LP500S", Sideswipe transforms... well, into that. In robot mode he is armed with a white rifle and a missile launcher that can clip onto either of his shoulders. The launcher can fire one of three included white missiles, in theory, as the springs were weakened for the US release. The original 1984 US release did not have the [[rubsign]] found on later releases.

: In 2001, Sideswipe was re-released by [[Takara]], bundled with the mold-sharing [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], as a show-[[exclusive]] set, but his license plate decal was changed from the infringing "COUNTACH" to "CAR MACHINE". Sideswipe and Red Alert were re-re-released together in 2002 as an [[e-Hobby]] "New Year" set, with several factory-applied decals replaced with [[paint application]]s, the "CAR MACHINE" plate-decal now blank, plus an additional recolored alternate sticker sheet for each one. This version, minus the extra decal sheet, was re-re-''re''-released as part of the [[Transformers Collection]] "book-box series". Finally, this version, albeit with its spring-loaded launcher de-sprung [[for safety reasons]], was released in the US as part of [[Hasbro]]'s [[Commemorative Series]] VIII line, one of the last American reissues. In fact, despite the Commemorative Series' exclusivity to Toys "R" Us stores, CS Sideswipe ended up at Kay-Bee stores, and at heavy discount.

: This mold was also used to make [[Clamp Down]], [[Deep Cover]] and [[Tigertrack]].

*'''Sideswipe w/ Vanguard''' (Action Master, 1991)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, Vanguard partner accessory

[[Image:ActionmasterSideswipe_toy.jpg|left|thumb|I have a hat!]]

: A non-transforming action figure, [[Action Master]] Sideswipe is compatible with any other Action Master weapon or vehicle. His partner-unit [[Vanguard]] forms a backpack and battle helmet, and complements Sideswipe's color scheme quite well.

:''Action Master'' Sideswipe was only available in Europe.
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===Generation 2===
*'''Sideswipe''' (Autobot Heroic, 1993)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, missile launcher, 1 missile

[[Image:G2Sideswipe_toy.jpg|right|thumb|150px|He got dressed in the dark and accidentally put his colors on backwards.]]

: Part of the first assortment of Autobot cars, Sideswipe's original toy had his colors re-arranged to a black car mode with red and white robot parts. His original rocket launcher was removed, and replaced with a large spring-loaded launcher that could be hand-held or mounted on his [[retool]]ed car-mode roof.

:His new spring-loaded missile launcher was taken from [http://www.yojoe.com/action/91/snowserpent2.shtml Snow Serpent] from the [[G.I. Joe]] toyline.

*'''Sideswipe''' (Go-Bot, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun

[[Image:G2GobotSideswipe.jpg|left|thumb|120px|He shrank and faded in the wash.]]

: A redeco of [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[Firecracker]], Sideswipe transforms into a blue Lamborghini Diablo with through-axle construction for super-fast rolling in car mode.

: This mold was also used to make Go-Bot Optimus Prime and ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[R.E.V. (RID)|R.E.V.]]

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===Universe===
*'''Sideswipe''' (Deluxe, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' 2 launchers (left & right), 2 flame missiles

[[Image:UniverseSideswipe_toy.jpg|right|thumb|I should've had a [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] retool!]]

: One of several [[exclusive]]s to [[OTFCC 2003]], ''[[Universe]]'' Side Swipe is a redeco of the ''[[Robots in Disguise (franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] mold, once again transforming into a Lamborghini Diablo. A pair of add-on thrusters become arm-mounted launchers for robot mode; each one being a pressure-launch missile launcher.

: It is notable that the part that connects the toy's windshield to the main body uses a red decal rather than paint, as that part is made out of [[unpaintable plastic]]. The police lights from the original mold were removed, leaving this area bare.

: This mold was also used to make ''Universe'' [[Inferno (TFU)|Inferno]] and Sunstreaker.

===Smallest Transformers===
*'''Lambor''' (2003)
:''Japanese ID number:'' '''GTF-02'''
[[Image:STFLambor.jpg|left|thumb|Yet another release Sunstreaker just wasn't cool enough for.]]

: ''[[Smallest Transformers]]'' Lambor is a very small-scale, extensively simplified replica of the original Sideswipe toy. He has very little articulation, he has no weapons, and his vehicle mode wheels cannot roll.

: This mold was [[retool]]ed to make ''Smallest Transformers'' [[Red Alert (G1)|Alert]].

{{-}}
===Alternators===
*'''Side Swipe''' (2003, 2004)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''2'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''BT-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Dodge Viper Engine/gun

[[Image:AlternatorsSide_Swipe_toy.jpg|right|thumb|Not [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]].]]

: The second ''[[Alternators]]'' toy released, Side Swipe transforms into a licensed 1:24 scale [[wikipedia:Dodge Viper|Dodge Viper]] featuring opening doors, a detailed interior, and a hood that opens to reveal an engine bay holding a replica Viper V-10 engine. The vehicle mode also features movable steering and rubber tires with vacuum-metalized wheels. His removable engine becomes a blaster.

: The main difference between the American ''Alternators'' and the Japanese ''Binaltech'' releases is that the Japanese version has die-cast metal parts for most of the car's outer body shell, with the exception of the rear end, and the entire red exterior of the car is fully painted, unlike the ''Alternator's'' flat red plastic.

: This mold was [[retool]]ed to make [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]].

===Titanium Series===
*'''Side Swipe''' (Robot Master, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Engine blaster

[[Image:TitaniumRM_Side_Swipe.jpg|left|thumb|110px|Sideswipe turns small a lot.]]

: ''Titanium'' Side Swipe is based upon Sideswipe's ''Alternators'' toy. Constructed partially of die cast metal, Side Swipe has limited articulation located in his shoulders and neck. He comes with a removable engine blaster and an Autobot symbol display stand.

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===Attacktix===
*'''Sideswipe''' (2007)

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===Universe (2008)===
*'''Sideswipe''' (Deluxe, 2008)
This new version of Sideswipe will be a retool of his "brother", Sunstreaker. His transformation will be different to ressemble more his original toy, although to what extent is unknown at the time.
{{comingsoontoy}}

===Merchandise===

==Trivia==
* Sideswipe's Japanese name, "Lambor" is derived from the name of his vehicle mode, a Lamborghini. It may also be a word play on the Japanese word "Rambo", which means "reckless, violent, rough". Wouldn't be the [[Autrooper|last]] [[Nine Great Demon Generals|time]] Takara's done such word puns.

* Sideswipe's [[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)|TFU]] bio text describes features of Sunstreaker's toy, leading many to believe Sideswipe's original toy was supposed to be created from Sunstreaker's mold and vice-versa, with the colors swapped between the molds. The [[Diaclone]] Sunstreaker toy was available in red<ref>[http://diaclone.net/orid/dia036/index.html "Countach-LP500S/Super Tuning" at Diaclone.net (Japanese site)]</ref> and police<ref>[http://diaclone.net/orid/dia038/index.html "Countach-LP500S/Super Tuning Policecar Type" at Diaclone.net (Japanese site)]</ref> versions, but not yellow. The mold used for Sideswipe, on the other hand, was released in ''Diaclone'' in both red and yellow decos.<ref>[http://diaclone.net/orid/dia050/index.html " New Countach-LP500S" at Diaclone.net (Japanese site)]</ref>

* During the 1990s, another company held the "Sideswipe" trademark in the "toys" field, even though Hasbro still released two toys using that name as part of the [[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]] line (it's unclear if this resulted in any legal repercussions for Hasbro). When Hasbro finally managed to reclaim the name for the [[Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]] line, the name was now parsed as "[[Side Swipe (RID)|Side Swipe]]", in two words, for whatever reason. The only two toys since then to spell "Sideswipe" as one word again were the OTFCC 2003 exclusive and the [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Armada Super-Con]]. However, the former was referred to as "Side Swipe" when featured as a cross-sell on the packaging for the OTFCC 2003 [[Shadow Striker]]/[[Roulette]] two-pack, whereas a packaging variant for the latter released as part of the "Unicron Battles" refresh of the [[Armada (toyline)|''Armada'']] line also saw the name changed to "Side Swipe".

* The ''Alternators'' Dodge Viper mold was originally designed to be a new body for [[Tracks]] after the first attempt to secure the Corvette license had fallen through. Eventually, though, Chevrolet had a change of mind and granted Hasbro and Takara the license for the Corvette design after all. As a result, the Viper mold was slightly redesigned, was given a new head sculpt and released as Sideswipe (or "Side Swipe") instead. This explains why, unlike most of the early Alternators toys, Side Swipe's robot mode bears little resemblance his G1 self. The most noticeable redesign from the "Tracks" design was the vehicle mode's doors being moved from the "backpack" [[kibble]] (where they would have resembled the G1 Tracks toy's wings) to the sides of the arms, thus being the most obvious visual cue taken from the G1 Sideswipe toy.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Sideswipe/sideswipe.htm Sideswipe at TFU.info]
* [http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Sideswipe Sideswipe's Universe profile at NTFA.net]

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category: Action Masters]]
[[Category: Alternators]]
[[Category: Attacktix]]
[[Category: Autobots]]
[[Category: Convention exclusives]]
[[Category: E-Hobby]]
[[Category: Generation 1 characters]]
[[Category: Generation 2 characters]]
[[Category: Headmasters characters]]
[[Category: Go-Bots]]
[[Category: MyClone]]
[[Category: Titanium Series]]
[[Category: Toys "R" Us exclusives]]
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Talk:Main Page

2008-04-09T05:45:35Z

Spriteless: /* Featured article */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

When I read these articles for information, and some stupid joke gets thrown in, it really throws my thought process off. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people too. Don't forget you're writing this for other people and it's not a good idea to screw with them, or whatever [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:For every person that hates the joking and non-serious nature of the wiki, there's somebody else that loves it. If people can't hack the humour, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem. As for writing this for other people, I contribute to this wiki for the sheer pleasure of having fun with my stupid toy & cartoon hobby, not out of some obligation or duty to provide an encyclopedia for the fandom. As far as I am concerned, so long as we are accurate and detailed, we can also make light of our hobby. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think there needs to be some rules on where the jokes can be. I personally don't mind them when they're in image captions and such, but I think in the middle of a paragraph isn't very appropriate. Know what I mean? [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Could you provide an example of "middle of the paragraph" humor where you find it inappropriate?
:::Also, just a note: It's hard to take you seriously with that username. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think he's talking about things like my edits to [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s cartoon section where I said the Autobots saved the oil rig workers "from a death exactly the same as death", or references to characters freaking out.
::::As for establishing rules to prevent people from placing jokes within paragraphs, I highly doubt that will come to pass as most of the regular contributors and the administration staff write in this manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, people saying BAWWW WIKI NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH irritates the fuck out of me. I'm sorry our little collection of information about giant toy space robots isn't serious enough for you. Maybe you should go read a Serious Encyclopedia, like the one dedicated to Everything The Goddamn Ewoks Ever Did. That's a serious topic worthy of intense consideration, and it should be treated with the respect it deserves. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::People with names like ''FartboyExtreme'' complaining that the wiki isn't serious enough set off my bullshit meter something fierce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: That comment about writing this for other people really shit me up the wall. I was not aware I was doing this wiki as my job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh, I'm sorry, I don't know how I totally missed this conversation. The javascript that Derik describes here is not only not hard to do, but it's actually phenomenally easy. The only question is would it LOOK good on the page; I assure you, the technical end is not an issue.

::If anyone still cares. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Walky, I [[W:Image:Transformers125.png|found another one]], I assume you have a larger original file that you can replace it with?. Hopefully they didn't make anymore, because that fake Autobot symbol is fucking awful. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, guys -- I'm sorry that you didn't like the spotlight image, and I'm glad that you made your own. [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|This one]] is terrific; much better than the other one.

:If you guys ever have any concerns (or complaints) about the spotlights or any kind of promotional stuff, please let me know... We're trying to support you and your wiki, and obviously we don't want to do anything that you don't like. Teletraan I is an awesome wiki, and I want to make sure that lots of people know about it.

:So... I'm the person you yell at. And also, hopefully, I'm the person that you can come to with ideas about how to make your site better. Let me know what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 06:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

::Hi, at least speaking for myself, we're not actually that angry... I think :) Just that the fake Autobot symbol has some minor controversy surrounding it ever since it was accidently used by [[IDW Publishing]] for one of their [[Stormbringer issue 1|early Transformers comics]]. Plus, we try to keep on the good side of Hasbro by using their approved logos and such. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response - and the desire to promote our wiki. I'd agree with FFN that there's not much actual anger here, and any dissatisfaction is easily remedied. Just let us know whenever you want to run any promos, and we'll cook up whatever imagery and so forth you need. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, cool. We're going to be building up an Entertainment-hub wiki pretty soon, and I may take you up on that offer. :) It's going to take us a little bit to figure out how to do it, but the idea is to have a place where people can promote their wiki, show off a bit, and make connections with other wiki people. It should be fun. I'll let you guys know when it goes up... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I started it. It's very slim, cause I'm sure there's people out there more informed then me. I'll try and add what I can once a style is put in place [[User:GWolfv2]]

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==Shift from movie to Animated?==
I'm just thinking that maybe the frontpage's "highlight" should change from the TF movie, which is well wound-down, to Animated, which is new and big and running full-steam. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
: Sure. That seems like an easy change... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?[[User:Spriteless|Spriteless]] 05:45, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
:What? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"> From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</div>

Talk:Main Page

2008-04-09T05:20:11Z

Spriteless: /* Featured article */

THE FUNNY STAYS.
-The Management

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Please use this talk page for discussion about the [[Main Page]].

To discuss site-wide policies, please visit [[Transformers Wiki Talk:Community Portal|the Community Portal talk page]].

==Archives==
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive1|Archive1]]
*[[Talk:Main_Page/Archive2|Archive2]]

== The Funny ==

Maybe if the stuff you said was funny, no one would have a problem with it, but most of the jokes on here are pretty lame, it's not about transformers fans being serious, it's about your jokes being bad. When other people try to put there humor in it, you erase it. Sooooo make the jokes funny and you wont have to worry about it. Besides the Real Wikipedia has more information on transformers than the one dedicated to transformers have, what gives. Maybe before you work on your lame jokes you can fill out the information on the article. Sorry just what I think about it, don't take to much offence. {{unsigned|67.140.110.210}}

:Humor is subjective. Pesonally, I consider most of the jokes on this site to be neutral. They are clearly trying to be silly, but neither funny nor painful. They merely lighten the tone. Users who show up here and do nothing but change jokes into different jokes are clearly not accomplishing anything. The new jokes are never any better -- they are merely different, and often worse. That is a waste of everybody's time. I haven't spent a lot of time browsing Transformers material on Wikipedia, but I highly doubt that their information is ''better'', even if there might be a larger quantity of it. What little I've seen there has been disorganized, mixes fan assertions with canon, and is at times not even reliable. ''If'' they have more information than we do, it is only because people have been adding TF info there for at least twice as long as this specialized wiki has existed. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:57, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

::Yep, this wiki is a far more reliable source of information for Transformers than the Wikipedia shall ever be. I've corrected some of their base assumptions and half-truths upon occassion. If we lack information for something, '''then feel free to contribute''' to our wiki or wait for one of us to get around to it. Really, what the Wikipedia offers is rather generalised information and (as steve-o points out) fan-assumed fanon and downright false information. Besides, we provide the Transformers info that the users on the wikipedia either don't know or won't bother with, such as info on the toys, their designers, toy construction materials, obscure series and/or characters and so on.
:: And yes, we think captioning a picture of say, Megatron with 'Art of Megatron' or some such is really patronising. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:00, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.

One time I tried to change [[Nautilator]]'s bio; stating that he carries a powerful weapon, transforms INTO a powerful weapon, and is an undersea version of [[Constructicon]] [[Scavager]]. But none of that went through.

I'm sensing "the bias" here.

[http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

:''I, as a fellow Transformer fan, agree that "the funny" is lame.'' 
: Some of it is certainly very very lame. If you would like to raise the level of humor here, then A) become a regular and respected contributor of useful non-funny stuff, ''then'' B) improve the funny. What we most strongly object to is newcomers who contribute ''nothing'' except changes to the humor. Changing the funny is an earned privilege. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:44, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::'''Tyrenol:''' Your [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]] bio was, as far as I can tell, at best [[fanon]] or at worst fan fiction. Steve-o (an admin) points out that your edit had nothing to do with the established Hasbro toy bio. Despite our humour and over-the-top references to a character's foibles, we base what we write on official material approved by Hasbro/Takara.

::That's not 'bias', that's the rules.

:::Okay, then. Here's another idea: How about you guys use the exact wording from the bios as oppose to just sticking stuff in and thinking that everyone else will agree with its hilariousness.

:::Besides; I have two problems with anything Wiki. 1) Things don't stay changed when they get changed. Annoyances like needed citations and reliable sources that have a problem staying reliable. 2) I have a life to live, a job to pay for where I live, and I really don't have the time to watch everything on the web like a cold-stare hawk.

:::My apologies for being new. My apologies for calling your jokes lame. But what is everybody doing on the web when they can't take the sharp, cold knife in the back that's called "criticism?" The same rules apply for me. [http://www.geocities.com/tenou_clock/ Tyrenol]

::::We have a specific policy AGAINST cut-and-pasting from bios, one of many reasons being that those are a) copyrighted and b) not always applicable. After all, Shockwave sure wasn't anything like his toy bio in the cartoon. Character overviews on this resource are "all-encompassing", in order to reflect changes and evolutions in the character. And what do you do when a character -like, say, Optimus Prime- has several dozen bios over the course of 20 years?
::::Maybe you should apologize for playing the "I have a life" card that screams "I have no actual argument so I'll imply you all are losers". And don't confuse "whinging" with "criticism", or "disagreeing with" as "can't take it". This argument has come up with many an anon IP who is more interested in fighting a long-established precedent for this wiki which has garnered far more positive attention than negative than they are in contributing, and if they didn't change thing one about it, neither will you. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]]

::As for humour being lame, let me ask you a question: Do you wander onto privately-run Tranformers fan sites and message boards, see something you don't like (that isn't necessarily offensive) and proceed to tell off the admins for how they run their website? Much of the reason the wiki is the way it is is because the people who run this wiki and the majority of regular contributors have a sense of humour. I find it odd that newcomers will question our policies as if they claim some sort of ownership over the wiki, yet have contributed little to it. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a newcomer, but I have to admit that the policies regarding jokes ''prevent'' unfair bias, if anything. Additionally, it helps newcomers achieve a sense of ownership. Maybe we don't all get the lame obscure reference on [[Special:Random|whatever]] page, but whoever put it there probably thinks it's hilarious! Thanks to the established policies he/she doesn't need to worry about someone replacing it with another, equally-lame obscure reference. --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 19:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::Make jokes and be merry. My message to any readers is if you get offended by jokes, then you take Transformers way too seriously :-D --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:01, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:::haha... Transformers too seriously?! ''Only'' five of my nine open browser tabs are occupied with something Transformers related right now. If that's not moderation, then I don't know what is! ...but yes, if your reason for being put-off is a bent sense of humor, then you're probably in in the wrong place! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 18:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I thought the Ladiesman217 article was funny. Needed some fixing for the caption with the police car. It's not funny.

When I read these articles for information, and some stupid joke gets thrown in, it really throws my thought process off. I'm sure it's that way for a lot of people too. Don't forget you're writing this for other people and it's not a good idea to screw with them, or whatever [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 03:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:For every person that hates the joking and non-serious nature of the wiki, there's somebody else that loves it. If people can't hack the humour, well I'm sorry, but that's your problem. As for writing this for other people, I contribute to this wiki for the sheer pleasure of having fun with my stupid toy & cartoon hobby, not out of some obligation or duty to provide an encyclopedia for the fandom. As far as I am concerned, so long as we are accurate and detailed, we can also make light of our hobby. -[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::I think there needs to be some rules on where the jokes can be. I personally don't mind them when they're in image captions and such, but I think in the middle of a paragraph isn't very appropriate. Know what I mean? [[User:FartboyExtreme|FartboyExtreme]] 21:01, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Could you provide an example of "middle of the paragraph" humor where you find it inappropriate?
:::Also, just a note: It's hard to take you seriously with that username. [[User:JW|JW]] 21:17, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I think he's talking about things like my edits to [[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'s cartoon section where I said the Autobots saved the oil rig workers "from a death exactly the same as death", or references to characters freaking out.
::::As for establishing rules to prevent people from placing jokes within paragraphs, I highly doubt that will come to pass as most of the regular contributors and the administration staff write in this manner. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:28, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Seriously, people saying BAWWW WIKI NOT SERIOUS ENOUGH irritates the fuck out of me. I'm sorry our little collection of information about giant toy space robots isn't serious enough for you. Maybe you should go read a Serious Encyclopedia, like the one dedicated to Everything The Goddamn Ewoks Ever Did. That's a serious topic worthy of intense consideration, and it should be treated with the respect it deserves. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 13:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::People with names like ''FartboyExtreme'' complaining that the wiki isn't serious enough set off my bullshit meter something fierce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
::::::: That comment about writing this for other people really shit me up the wall. I was not aware I was doing this wiki as my job. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

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==Featured Article for October==

So...are we ever going to change the featured article? It's been Megatron for, like, two months now. [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 03:58, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:It depends on what the management thinks is complete enough in terms of length and content. I think Movie Prime's article should be given a go since October will be the month of the DVD release in the US and the article is more or less complete. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
:How about something other than a character page?--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 12:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
::I nominate Sector Seven, because the article is fairly thorough, references a lot of material, and will be useful to the fans directed here who liked the movie but haven't read all the minor, wacky background material. That article is still listed as a "Stub," though as with a great many "stubs" on this wiki I kind of don't see why. It could be made ''longer'', like all of them, but it's not like it's missing anything critical or is just a halfassed paragraph. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should make articles for Rebecca Howard and Alexander Powers before we feature it, since they're pretty important to the ARG storyline, which, as you said, is the wacky background material 99% of people would never seen or heard of. Plus they're linked right at the start of the article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:41, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

By the way when it comes doing the most wanted page list means I will do it but someone must back me up when I go do yardwork.(Spearhead 08:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC))

Sweet zombie Jesus, the Featured Article changed!!! I think I may faint! ...But one request: Please don't change it back to [[Megatron_%28G1%29|Megatron]] in November! --[[User:Starcrunch|Starcrunch]] 15:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Nice going guys. You finally got rid of Megatron... and then replaced him with Primal Prime, who's been on for three months. Either someone tell me how to change that article, or ''please'' replace it with something new--how about Optimus Prime's G1 toys? [[User:Crosshairs-1|"MovieMan"]] 11:17, 24 February 2008 (UTC)Crosshairs-1

== "By series" column is missing... ==

"Comics" for Beast Wars.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== Just a little question... ==

Is there anywhere I can find a NON parody wiki? - Anonymous

: Right here? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:wikipedia--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
::But their TF pages suck. So dry and boring and light on content and all Mignashy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Mostly the Mignashy part. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia Transformers stuff is full on content! It's just all made up. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
I don't think you understand the meaning of "parody", Mister Anonymous. "It has humor in it" is not what parody entails. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 20:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:Yeah, plus beneath our bad captions and jokes there's a wealth of information you will not likely find anywhere else, at least not all in one place. I think people are too used to the "[insert franchise] is ''Serious Business''" natures of the large, dry wikis like Memory Alpha and the Star Wars Wiki. That or they are unable to laugh at Transformers because they take it too seriously. Or they think this entire wiki is written solely by Walky, and since they hate Walky, they hate the wiki. Those last people suck. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

== Logo--Good Wiki!==
Hi guys!!! This is a very creative wiki! But I am not keen on the logo. Right now is: [[Image:wiki.png]] 
{{unsigned|Thatkidjasper}}

:Please sign your posts to talk pages by typing four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) at the end.
:Also, you'll have more luck getting us to change our logo if you spend a few months as a regular contributor, first. [[User:JW|JW]] 19:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

How do u put your logo on the upper left?--[[User:Farragut79|Farragut79]] 14:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Caps? ==

Do we want to implement sabrblade's suggestion of replacing

(toyline/cartoon/comic)

with

(Toyline/Cartoon/Comic)

. . . ? Personally, I think it makes the page look more cluttered. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I just thought it would make it look a little neater. I didn't mean anything by it. I also thought it would make more sense to change "comic" to "comics" under Generation 1 and Beast Wars since they both had more than one comic series. I also put a "comic" link under Beast Machines that goes to the Wreckers comic since that ''is'' a Beast Machines comic series. And I thought "comics" should be "comic" under Animated since so far it only had one comic series that we know of. And "Sequel" was already put under Transformers (2007), since I saw that it was capitalized, that's what gave me the idea to capitalize the rest. But I see that someone erased "Sequel" from the main page. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 23:11, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Putting Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory links in the "by series" column ==

Would anyone object if I put bulleted links for Headmaster/Masterforce/Victory in the "by series" column? I acknowledge that the series are linked under G1 articles, but it's arguable that they are not "true G1", but rather a non-canonical branch of that continuity.

For example:
* ''[[Generation 1]]'' ([[Generation 1 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 1 (comic)|comic]])
** ''[[Headmasters]]''
** ''[[Masterforce]]''
** ''[[Victory]]''
* ''[[Generation 2]]'' ([[Generation 2 (toyline)|toyline]]/[[Generation 2 (cartoon)|cartoon]]/[[Generation 2 (Marvel comic)|comic]])

And yes, I am a newb and I know that that impacts the consideration of my suggestion.

[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Headmasters/Masterforce/Victory ARE true, canonical G1, but I think the main page list is long enough already without us lengthening it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::I don't really have a problem with it, but yeah it would make the list longer too much. Besides, you forgot Zone, Battlestars, and Operation: Combination. [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 00:50, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::1) I don't want to be combative, but can ItsWalky support the G1-canon assertion? Only the hardcore fanbase is familiar with the Japanese series. If these shows are G1, then why don't the G1 cartoon/comic/toy pages consistently contain info about those toys? For instance, the G1 toy page doesn't list the Japan-series-exclusive toys.
:::2) Each Japanese series has its own toyline/comic/cartoon links in this wiki. It only seems proper to list them here.
:::3) I disagree that this would make the list too long.
:::4) I'm afraid I don't know enough about Zone/Battlestars/Op:Com. Time to surf some more...
:::[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In Transformers, and by the standards of this wiki, everything that is approved by Hasbro or Takara is canon. Without exception. It does not matter whether you have seen it or not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:02, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::ItsWalky, do you have any non-length-related objection? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, ItsWalky, since you're not buyin' his idea, how about this then. Make a drop-down list for all the JG1 series drop under the Generation 1 text by pressing a [+] button, ya know like the ones seen in Category pages and such. Does that sound okay? And maybe one to drop under Beast Wars for Beast Wars II and Neo? [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:34, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I am really not sure how we would jigger a collapsible continuity tree list. I would assume though if anyone knew how to accomplish this it would involve some sort of sinister faustian bargain with the fount of Dark Science that is [[User:Derik|Derik]].--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:42, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Or we could just implement my suggestion. Problem solved! [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 01:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Not quite. You say, "put them on the list," he says, "no, it'll be too long," I say "compromise, a drop-down list '''if it's possible'''" [[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 02:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::If we include the various Japanese G1 franchises we would also need to include Battle For the Spark, Unicron Battles, Powerlinx Battles, Primus Unleashed and Allspark Battles. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::::None of those are quite the seperate, distinct entity that the Japanese lines mentioned are. BftS, etc. are sublines of their respective ongoing lines. Masterforce, Victory, etc. are mainlines themselves, with the only higher hierarchy level being "Transformers", or arguably "Transformers Japan".
::::I think the list is long enough. The Japanese series are all linked too off of the summary [[Generation 1]] page. A collapsible list would probably uglify the aesthetic table we have in place, to say nothing of the technical difficulties to make it work. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 05:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::'''Then it follows that some work should be done to include the japanese-exclusive toys from these series in the G1 toys pages, and include the japan-manga for these series in the G1 comics pages. Do you all think that is appropriate? The way I see it, these series are either within G1 (for the wiki), or they aren't. Right now it seems like they halfway are.'''[[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 16:40, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, I'm faustian! You have no idea how happy that makes me.
:Unfortunately, a quick investigation tells me that Wikia does not come equipped with any of the table-collapse scripts found on Wikipedia (they have custom ones for the table of contents and category trees, but they aren't cross-adaptable.) It ''might'' be possible to install one of them purely in the Monobook.js file we can edit (I feel like there might be PHP integration, which we can't) but even then the scripts are very limited, and don't do quite what we want.
:Wikipedia has generally be very, very distrustful of implementing those kind of drop-downs because of compatibility issues. Making Javascript a fundamental part of your site's navigation is bad because if someone turns it off or cripples its functions to suppress annoying ads... thennt his site ceases to function.
:So, while a drop-down may be ''possible'' with considerable effort, it brings entailed problems that would seem to outweigh any benefits it delivers. Without a more compelling application for a drop-down, I wouldn't be interested in even ''trying'' to get it working. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:18, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::Uh, I'm sorry, I don't know how I totally missed this conversation. The javascript that Derik describes here is not only not hard to do, but it's actually phenomenally easy. The only question is would it LOOK good on the page; I assure you, the technical end is not an issue.

::If anyone still cares. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 05:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Let me draw your attention to my bolded post above... Any comments? [[User:GrantB|GrantB]] 00:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think we care enough about those series to list them. We prefer to mock them. List is too long, anyway. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

==Weird Wikia Spotlight image==
Is it just me or is that Autobot symbol Wikia is using to Spotlight our site an unofficial fan-made version? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's... pretty lame. You'd think they could have grabbed one of the ones here in the wiki. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 09:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::God fucking dammit. That's Neale's erroneous font, with the three hash-marks per forehead instead of two. I will not allow this. Who do I yell at? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:45, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:I never thought an Autobrand could look so angry...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:05, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

:How to fix the image:
:1. make new image using official Autobot sigil from... anywhere
:2. go [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|here]].
:3. upload new image
:4. ???
:5. PROFIT!!! --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::Man that is pretty dang shitty. Why does Wikia keep trying to make logos '''for''' us?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:00, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I have done my level best to try to turn our masthead into a little spotlight image there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 03:15, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::[[w:Image:Transformers120.png|Here]], actually. And done. Thank God. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 03:58, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Wow, much better! :D --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 09:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Walky, I [[W:Image:Transformers125.png|found another one]], I assume you have a larger original file that you can replace it with?. Hopefully they didn't make anymore, because that fake Autobot symbol is fucking awful. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:45, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:Hi, guys -- I'm sorry that you didn't like the spotlight image, and I'm glad that you made your own. [[w:Image:Transformers-monaco.gif|This one]] is terrific; much better than the other one.

:If you guys ever have any concerns (or complaints) about the spotlights or any kind of promotional stuff, please let me know... We're trying to support you and your wiki, and obviously we don't want to do anything that you don't like. Teletraan I is an awesome wiki, and I want to make sure that lots of people know about it.

:So... I'm the person you yell at. And also, hopefully, I'm the person that you can come to with ideas about how to make your site better. Let me know what you think. -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 06:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

::Hi, at least speaking for myself, we're not actually that angry... I think :) Just that the fake Autobot symbol has some minor controversy surrounding it ever since it was accidently used by [[IDW Publishing]] for one of their [[Stormbringer issue 1|early Transformers comics]]. Plus, we try to keep on the good side of Hasbro by using their approved logos and such. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:10, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the response - and the desire to promote our wiki. I'd agree with FFN that there's not much actual anger here, and any dissatisfaction is easily remedied. Just let us know whenever you want to run any promos, and we'll cook up whatever imagery and so forth you need. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:28, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

::::Okay, cool. We're going to be building up an Entertainment-hub wiki pretty soon, and I may take you up on that offer. :) It's going to take us a little bit to figure out how to do it, but the idea is to have a place where people can promote their wiki, show off a bit, and make connections with other wiki people. It should be fun. I'll let you guys know when it goes up... -- [[User:Toughpigs|Danny]]<staff /> ([[User talk:Toughpigs|talk]]) 23:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

==Death becomes you==

Why not add a section relating to death in Transformers (character deaths, permanence etc) with a special section for the way Optimus' pop their clogs...a lot[[User:GWolfv2]]
:We have [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime]]. An article on [[Death]] in general might not be amiss. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I started it. It's very slim, cause I'm sure there's people out there more informed then me. I'll try and add what I can once a style is put in place [[User:GWolfv2]]

== april fools day plans ==

i recomend that for april fools day we lock the main page and save a copy of some of the longest/most important pages[[User:81.108.233.59|81.108.233.59]] 16:10, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:No real need to save a copy. Wiki software archives older versions automatically.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:23, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
:And, the main page is already semiprotected. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

==Shift from movie to Animated?==
I'm just thinking that maybe the frontpage's "highlight" should change from the TF movie, which is well wound-down, to Animated, which is new and big and running full-steam. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 00:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
: Sure. That seems like an easy change... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:19, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

== Featured article ==

We have had the same thing there for like 50 years{{unsigned|Human in Disguise|02:22, 7 April 2008}}
:Not really. Jhiaxus was only made a Featured Article on March 2, 2008.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 06:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::With 6k articles, maybe we could switch the featured article every month?

== front tf page ==

i hate april fool pranks on my fave tf front page -dr
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2008-04-08T05:13:16Z

Spriteless: eh, I accept edits on all wikis.

I went to make an account and found someone already using my internet name, and a password I know. I wish someone had told me about that before those anon edits.

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Hot Shot (Armada)

2008-04-08T05:04:34Z

Spriteless: Undo revision 171140 by 152.53.13.94 (talk)buT the jAam!

{{Template:Disambig2|the prominent UT character|the RID Spychanger|Hot Shot (RID)}}

:''Hot Shot is an [[Autobot]] character from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Hotshotut.gif|thumb|300px|I'm Optimus Prime's choice for successor. Scary what goes through the big guy's head, huh?]]

'''Hot Shot''' is the quintessential young hero. He's been around long enough to earn a name for himself and a place in [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]'s entourage, but he's still too young to know when he's in over his head. In other words, he's blunt, overconfident, and naïve, yet brave, honorable, loyal to his friends, and willing to risk his life to stop the [[Decepticon]]s and help the Autobots. With time and experience, Prime believes, he could make an excellent leader, and Prime has appointed him to his command structure accordingly. Hot Shot's got the goods, but he just needs to pay attention for more than five seconds. Until that day, Hot Shot's likely response to most anything is, "Yeah yeah, like, whatever."

Hot Shot's [[Mini-Con]] partner is [[Jolt (Armada)|'''Jolt''']], though he has been known to moonlight with [[Mirage (Armada)|'''Mirage''']].

:''Japanese ''Micron Legend'' name'': '''Hot Rod''' 
:''Japanese ''Galaxy Force'' name'': '''Exillion/Exigeyser'''
:''Hungarian'' Energon ''and'' Cybertron ''name'': '''Tűzgolyó''' ("Fireball") <ref>On the ''Ultimate Battle DVD'' special he's called '''Nagyágyú''' which ''is'' the correct translation of Hot Shot, only it was the name originally given to Hot ''Rod''.</ref>

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
====''Armada''====
One million years ago, Hot Shot was a member of the Autobots, the guardians of [[Cyber City]]. Soon news of a warlike faction called [[Decepticon]]s, led by the power-hungry [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], reached Cyber City via a dying [[Mini-Con]] Hot Shot found. The Mini-Con handed him a video disc and with his dying breath, demanded Hot Shot take it to Optimus Prime. Optimus Prime played the disc, a distress signal from [[Leader-1]], head of [[Mini-Con Sector|Mini-Con village D10]], who begged the Autobots for help.

[[Image:Hotshotraizeyes.jpg|left|thumb|Hot Shot watches in horror as [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] buys the last can of [[jaAm]].]]

The Decepticons themselves soon arrived in Cyber City, armed with Mini-Cons they had captured and reconfigured to bestow incredible power when [[Powerlinx]]ed. Outclassed and near total defeat, Optimus Prime called his troops into retreat, and after the majority of Mini-Cons escaped [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to parts unknown, the Autobots lost much of the planet to the Mini-Con-powered Decepticons.

In the present day, both the Autobots and Decepticons received a signal of the Mini-Cons' activation on the planet [[Earth]]. Hot Shot and his colleagues [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]], [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]], and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] were led by Optimus Prime to the planet, where they met the Decepticons in battle. But this time, with the help of the estranged Mini-Cons, the Autobots regained the edge they lost against the Decepticons one million years prior. An uneasy alliance was formed, and Hot Shot was partnered with the Mini-Con [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]]. {{storylink|Armada_%28Dreamwave_comic%29#Volume_1:_First_Contact|First Contact}}

After this initial battle on Earth, Megatron is quick to capture the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team]] and forge them into the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber sword]]. Optimus Prime led Hot Shot and Red Alert against the Decepticons again, despite being at a strategic disadvantage while the Mini-Cons were missing, a point Hot Shot belabored. Thankfully, the Autobot-allied Mini-Cons arrived just in time to Powerlinx with Hot Shot and the other Autobots, fend off Megatron, and rescue the Air Defense Mini-Cons from the Decepticon leader's clutches.

[[Image:Hotshotguido.jpg|thumb|200px|"Well, let's go!"]]

Soon, a Mini-Con beacon tower was erected in [[Tranquility, Kansas]], drawing all Earth-bound Mini-Cons to it. Hot Shot and the rest of the Autobots again met the Decepticons in battle at the location when the tower's effect was discovered. However, they were too busy fighting to notice the beacon tower blasting off toward the Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]]. Hot Shot and Red Alert secreted Optimus Prime into the Decepticon base for the use of their space bridge, so that the Autobot leader could ask for reinforcements from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|Armada_%28Dreamwave_comic%29#Volume_2:_Fortress|Fortress}}

After the Mini-Cons were evacuated from the moon, five did not return home safely and sent a distress signal from northern Alaska. When the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]] failed to retrieve them, Hot Shot and the other Autobots arrived in full force, though they were kept in check by Cyclonus, who was suffering from a Mini-Con overdose. Though they were successful, Optimus Prime disappeared before their eyes, and when Hot Shot returned to Autobase, he found [[Optimus Prime (Worlds Collide)|an Optimus Prime]], dying, sent from another timeline to warn of [[Unicron]]'s coming. Learning of the "real" Optimus Prime's disappearance, Megatron and his Decepticons stormed Autobase, nearly killing Smokescreen and heavily injuring Hot Shot, Red Alert, and Scavenger.

Optimus Prime was returned to them and insisted on teaming up with the Decepticons to battle the arriving Unicron. Hot Shot excused himself from this alliance, as Smokescreen's critical condition due to the Decepticons' recent attack still weighed heavily in his mind. So when Megatron stole away during the battle with Unicron to strike a deal with the Dark God, Hot Shot, Scavenger, and Red Alert ambushed him, leaving him to die as Unicron was seemingly destroyed by the [[Mini-Con Matrix]]. {{storylink|Armada_%28Dreamwave_comic%29#Volume_3:_Worlds_Collide|Worlds Collide}}

====''Energon''====
[[Image:Hotshotironhidedw.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Sorry, Hot Shot, you've been replaced.]]

Ten years later, at the beginning of the Energon Era, Hot Shot accompanied Optimus Prime, who was skeptical and restless about the new peacetime, on his visit with the High Council in Cyber City. Prime's demands for vigilance were denied, so Hot Shot later followed him to a special [[uplink platform]] that [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]] had directed them to. This trip was a first outing for the rookie Autobot [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]], who fawned over Hot Shot. Hot Shot met this with difficulty. Learning of the continued existence of [[Unicron]], Prime once again returned to the High Council, again accompanied by Hot Shot. But this time, Cyber City was attacked by [[Cheetor (Armada)|Cheetor]], [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]], [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]], and [[Terrorsaur (Armada)|Terrorsaur]], who were presumed dead during the [[Unicron Battles]], but in fact were transformed into Unicron's [[Beasts of the Apocalypse]]. The Horsemen were deterred when Hot Shot and the other Autobots were granted the [[Spark of Combination]].

Hot Shot followed Prime to Earth after a distress signal was received. [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] and his [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]] were after a young boy who could detect [[Energon]] named [[Kicker]]. The Terrorcons outclassed them, however, and left only when their Energon-mining gear was destroyed, but not without taking Kicker. After the Autobots reunited with [[Rad]] and [[Alexis]], Hot Shot and the [[Omnicon]] [[Strongarm (Energon|Strongarm]] were able to pursue the Terrorcons and deliver a special suit to Kicker that his father, [[Doctor Jones|Dr. Jones]], had made for him. With Kicker's help, the Terrorcons were defeated and returned to Unicron.
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===Animated continuity===
====''Armada''====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Brent Miller]] (US), [[Kōsuke Okano]] (Japan), [[Alexandre Moreno]] (Brazil), [[Martin Halm]] (Germany)

[[Image:Hotshotarmada.jpg|right|200px|thumb|He grins because he's too stupid to be sad.]]

An indeterminate number of years ago on Cybertron, Hot Shot and the Autobot [[Wheeljack_(Armada)|Wheeljack]] were amidst a fiery battlefield blaze. Wheeljack was incapacitated, so Hot Shot left him, promising to get help. However, his [[Arrogant Autobot officer|commander]] would not let him return to help his friend. Instead, Wheeljack was rescued by [[Megatron_(Armada)|Megatron]] and swore vengeance against Hot Shot and the Autobots.

When [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] received the [[Mini-Con]] distress signal, Hot Shot was one of two soldiers he brought with him to Earth to investigate. He soon scanned the form of an Earth sports car and partnered with the Mini-Con [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]]. {{storylink|Base}}

When all three Mini-Cons that combine to form the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] sword were collected, Optimus assigned them to Hot Shot. The Autobot was young, inexperienced, and hotheaded, so the great advantage the Star Saber granted him went straight to his ego. With the sword, he was nearly unbeatable on the battlefield until a Decepticon named [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] taught him the hard way that power without skill was useless against an experienced opponent. Hot Shot's naïvety was his downfall. The double-agent [[Sideways]] tricked Hot Shot out of the sword, and Hot Shot was beaten nearly to death by his frustrated opponents. {{storylink|Overmatch}}

[[Image:Hotshotstarsaber.jpg|250px|left|thumb|He loves his Star Saber sword. It's so bad.]]

Wheeljack returned to Hot Shot's life, seeking revenge. The new Autobot recruit [[Side Swipe (Armada)|Side Swipe]] was caught up in Wheeljack's vendetta, so Hot Shot protected Side Swipe as best he could, hoping not to repeat his past mistakes. Wheeljack was deterred, but promised he'd be around later to revisit his ill will. {{storylink|Past, Part 1}}
[[Image:Hotshot superboyprime.jpg|thumb|"If I can't have Optimus back, I'll ruin the end of [[Wikipedia:Batman: Hush|Batman: Hush]] for everyone!"]]
When Optimus Prime sacrificed himself to save Earth, Hot Shot was put in command. Hot Shot declined to take the Matrix of Leadership, which marked the beginning of a very unassertive and indecisive administration. It was also short, as Optimus Prime returned to life after not too long. {{storylink|Remorse}}

The Decepticons managed to take over Cybertron. [[Unicron]], the Chaos Bringer, was looming over their planet, but [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]] (previously Megatron) would not listen to Optimus Prime's pleas to unite their two factions against him. Hot Shot decided to take matters into his own hands and fought his way through the Decepticon base and countless Decepticon warriors to reach Galvatron and reason with him. If it were not for Wheeljack's intervention, he might not have survived. Under the Autobot/Decepticon alliance, Wheeljack's hatred of Hot Shot seemed to soften, and the two learned to trust each other again. {{storylink|Dash (Armada episode)}}

After the destruction of Unicron and the defeat of Galvatron, Optimus Prime felt he had failed as Autobot Leader, and with the end of the conflict between the two factions, he exiled himself to parts unknown. Hot Shot and [[Jetfire_(Armada)|Jetfire]] were left in charge of the Transformers. {{storylink|Mortal Combat}}

====Energon====
:''Voice Actor(s):'' [[Brent Miller]] (US), [[Kōsuke Toriumi]] (Japan) 

[[Image:Hotshotenergoncartoon.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Hot Shot always forgets he's not supposed to shoot at the humans.]]

Hot Shot would find himself stationed on Earth as the commander of [[Ocean City]] while Optimus Prime was away training new soldiers on Cybertron. Though he had matured since the threat of Unicron, Hot Shot was still a young soldier with a large mass of responsibility placed on his shoulders.

Hot Shot often clashed with Kicker and Ironhide, the latter seeing Hot Shot as his idol, and was often paired with [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] as his Powerlink partner. It wasn't until the arrival of Hot Shot's former commander and idol, [[Rodimus (Energon)|Rodimus]], that he would question his own allegiances. Not moved by Rodimus' plea to help him to resurrect [[Unicron]], Hot Shot threatened to open fire, only to be struck down by Rodimus. After Rodimus saved Hot Shot's life, he regretted his quick judgment. The relationship between Hot Shot and Rodimus was eventually restored and they become Powerlink partners.

Hot Shot continued to serve under Optimus Prime, surviving many battles on Cybertron and other worlds. Along with several other Autobots, Hot Shot was injured when the reborn Unicron destroyed a fledgling planet in the reformed Q-system. Hot Shot was reformatted into a slick silver body along with his Autobot comrades. He eventually merged his [[spark]] with that of [[Optimus Supreme]] and his partners in the final battle with [[Megatron (Armada)|Galvatron]].

====Cybertron====
:''Voice Actor(s):'' [[Kirby Morrow]] (US), [[Daisuke Hirakawa]] (Japan) 
:''Special attacks:'' Accel Wing, Double X Shot, Battle Dagger

[[Image:Hotshotcybertron.jpg|thumb|left|250px|He knows kung-fu.]]

When [[Unicron]]'s destruction resulted in a black hole that threatened the Transformers' home planet of Cybertron, Optimus Prime ordered the planet to retreat into hiding on Earth. Hot Shot took the form of a blue Earth sports car.

This form came in handy when Optimus reassigned Hot Shot and [[Red_Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] to search for [[Velocitron]]'s [[Cyber Planet Key]]. He quickly developed a competitive bond with [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]], the leader of Velocitron. Against Red Alert's warnings, Hot Shot joined the Great Race. Hot Shot pushed himself beyond his means, almost to the point of destruction, but no matter how he tried, he could never defeat Override. The constant racing took a noticeable toll on his body. Was he really doing this to win the Key or just to prove to himself he was still the fastest in the galaxy?

Hot Shot was in big trouble when Optimus arrived on Velocitron and found out what he was up to. But Optimus Prime changed his mind when he realized that winning the race was the only way to win the Key. With the Autobots' full support and [[Coby]]'s help, Hot Shot won the Great Race and the Cyber Planet Key.

Later, Hot Shot, Red Alert and [[Scattorshot]] faced [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] alone when the Decepticon leader returned to Earth thristing for revenge against the treacherous Starscream. Humiliating the Decepticon in combat, Megatron, enraged, used his new Omega Lock-powered Death Machine Gun on the three Autobots, crippling them beyond repair. {{Storylink|Revelations}}

[[Image:CDHotShot_fists.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Now we know why his shoulders hurt]]

Fortunately, the powers of Primus acting through the [[Omega Lock]] bathed the trio in the creator's holy light, repairing and reformatting the young Autobot into '''Cybertron Defense Hot Shot.''' Along with his newly reformatted friends, the [[Cybertron Defense Team]] arrived on the battlefield and easily defeated the Decepticons Scourge and Megatron. {{Storylink|Critical}}

As Optimus Prime and the other Autobots dealt with Starscream and Megatron's forces, the Cybertron Defense Team was sent on an advance mission to Planet Cybertron. Hot Shot and his fellow team members had to blast their way through a debris field littering the Space Bridge path to Cybertron, during the course of which Hot Shot's vision was obscured by a thick oily substance excreted out of an asteroid as it exploded.

When the unit finally arrived on Cybertron, they were shocked to discover the planet overrun with the parasitic [[Scrapmetal drone]]s, and quickly had to fight their way through legions of the robotic pests. {{Storylink|United}}

Much later on [[Gigantion]] the Cybertron Defense Team was caught in [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]]'s smokescreen, but they managed to figure out the mysterious agent's mind games and defeat him.

After Override resigned from leadership of Velocitron in order to travel to a new world, Hot Shot won the race to determine who would be her successor, despite his bulky new body.

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==Toys==
===Armada===
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[[Image:Hotshotarmadatoy.jpg|thumb|225px|My LifE iS pAiN.]]
*'''Hot Shot''' (Super-Con, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MC-03'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block

: ''Armada'' Hot Shot transforms into a modified yellow Audi TT. He is packaged with [[Mini-Con]] [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]], who, when attached to the [[powerlinx]] port on Hot Shot's rear, deploys his rear axle over the back of his head and (in the same motion) fires a missile from his hubcap. Jolt's gun can either attach to Hot Shot's robot mode chest or unveil "driving claws" from Hot Shot's front bumper by attaching to Hot Shot's car mode hood as his engine. Hot Shot's visor can also flip over his face.

: "Hot Rod," [[Takara]]'s ''Micron Legend'' version of Hot Shot, was released in altered colors, with a more saturated yellow and some dark gray paint in places instead of navy blue. Additionally, more of the belt straps on his chest were painted silver, his pelvis was painted a darker red, and there was clearer paint on his Autobot symbol. A [[retool]] (or vice versa) of [[Hasbro]]'s Hot Shot, his right arm houses a light-up LED (for accommodating the translucent Star Saber sword) that glows when his side-view mirror is pressed, a feature that was dropped from the American version due to price-point concerns.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed and [[retool]]ed for the [[#ArDxPx|"Powerlinx" Hot Shot]] version of the character. That retool was scheduled to be [[redeco]]ed for ''[[Universe (franchise)|Universe]]'' "[[Battle in a Box]]" [[Smokescreen (BIAB)|Smokescreen]], but that set was canceled.

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*'''Hot Rod w/ Jolt and Air Defense Microns''' (2002)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MS-01'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block

: Takara's Hot Rod was also released in a box set with the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team]]. Each item in the set is identical to their individual versions.

* '''Hot Shot''' (Happy Meal, 2002)

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*'''Powerlinx Hot Shot''' (Super-Con, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''MC-13'''
**''Accessories'': Missile, engine-block
[[Image:Hotshotpowerlinx.jpg|left|thumb|i eAt yOuR bAbIEs!!]]

: A red, yellow, and black [[redeco]] and [[retool]] of the first Hot Shot, Powerlinx Hot Shot has a new head that has a more "serious" look, though his visor, sculpted directly into the new head, is no longer articulated. Intended to be an [[homage]] to ''[[Generation 1]]'' [[Hot Rod]], he has a yellow spoiler and flames on his hood. Due to a factory error, his forehead is painted gray instead of left red. The Japanese version, "Hot Rod Super Mode," fixed this forehead mistake, painted the shoulder symbol more clearly, and retained the LED light-up arm the first Japanese version featured.

: Later in the line, a running change granted Powerlinx Hot Shot with a cleaner faction symbol. Even later in the run Hot Shot got his painted forehead, but that particular version is extremely rare.

: In November of 2003, US Toys "R" Us stores had special bonus pack Max-Con (Deluxe) toys, which came with a single bonus Mini-Con attached to the card over their sticker, for ''less'' than the price of a normal Max-Con during Toys "R" Us' post-Thanksgiving-day sale. Like Powerlinx [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], Powerlinx Hot Shot could come with one of the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team]] members: [[Dune Runner]], [[Iceberg]] or [[Ransack (Armada)|Ransack]].

: This mold was scheduled to be [[redeco]]ed for ''[[Universe (franchise)|Universe]]'' "[[Battle in a Box]]" [[Smokescreen (BIAB)|Smokescreen]], but that set was canceled.

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*'''Hot Shot''' (Built to Rule, 2003)
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===Energon===
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*'''Hot Shot''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''SC-02'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, "radar" panel attachment
[[Image:Hotshotenergontoy.jpg|thumb|left|Hot Shot, part deux]]

: In ''Energon'', Hot Shot was updated as a modified yellow Aston-Martin Vanquish. He can carry a transparent red spring-loaded missile-launching weapon in either mode, and features a small Autobot [[spark crystal]] on his chest on which [[Energon chip]]s can be mounted. Like nearly all other Autobots in the ''Energon'' line, he can [[powerlinx]] with like-designed toys to form the top or bottom of a super robot.

: Takara released Hot Shot in similar colors, changing the slate blue plastic to a dark, nearly-black blue, dropping the black paint on his car roof, and adding metallic blue paint to his chest. His head is also a nearly-identical-but-different sculpt, most noticeably around the mouth, chin, and eyes. The reason for this is unknown.

: This mold was later redecoed to make the [[#EnDxEn|"Energon" powered-up version of the character]]. It was also [[retool]]ed to make the ''[[Timelines]]'' incarnation of [[Nightbeat (G1)#Timelines|Nightbeat]].

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* '''Hot Shot & Inferno''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SS-01'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, "radar" panel attachment

: In Japan, Takara released Hot Shot both individually and in a box set with [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[Image:Hotshotenergonenergontoy.jpg|thumb|He has a heart that burns for justice... and [[jaAm]].]]
*'''Energon Hot Shot''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''SC-23'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, "radar" panel attachment

: ''Energon'' Energon Hot Shot gave the car mode a silver-painted finish and the robot parts a dark blue, yellow, and red color scheme reminiscent of ''Armada'' Hot Shot's colors. Energon Hot Shot uses the Hasbro version of Hot Shot's head (see above).

: When he was released in Japan as "Hot Shot Fire," his car mode was changed to an unpainted silver, and additionally the yellow plastic was changed to a sherbet orange, the dark blue plastic to black, and the transparent orange plastic to a transparent crimson red. He also came packaged with the [[Energon_weapon#Energy_Cutter_.28Signal_Flare.29|Energy Cutter]], a transparent watermelon-red redeco of [[Signal Flare]]'s [[energon weapon]], plus a matching [[energon chip]]. Hot Shot Fire uses the Takara version of Hot Shot's head.

: This mold was [[retool]]ed to make the ''[[Timelines]]'' incarnation of [[Nightbeat (G1)#Timelines|Nightbeat]].

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===Cybertron===
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*'''Hot Shot''' (Deluxe Class, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': ''GC-02'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key
[[Image:Hotshotcybertrontoy.jpg|left|thumb|Hot Shot's Blue Period.]]

: An [[homage]] to [[Generation 1]] [[Hot Rod]] in design but not in color scheme, ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot transforms into a modified blue [[Wikipedia:Chrysler ME Four-Twelve|Chrysler ME Four-Twelve concept car]]. He comes with a [[Velocitron|Speed Planet]] [[Cyber Key]] that deploys transparent yellow wings from his spoiler when the key is inserted into the rear of the car. The toy also comes with a spring-loaded missile-launching gun that can be carried in robot mode or pegged into the roof of the car mode.

: The Japanese release, "Exillion," is completely identical other than a slight molding difference; two screws on either side of the spoiler are visible in the American release and all subsequent uses of the mold, but the original Japanese use of the mold had these screws buried. Though the Japanese release was treated as a separate character from Hot Shot, the toy was designed to be the character from ''Armada'' and ''Energon'', as evident by his head design and [[control art]] labeling him as such.

: This mold was used to make [[#CyDVD|Red Exillion (see below)]], [[Excellion]], and "[[Shattered Glass]]" [[Goldbug (Timelines)|Goldbug]].

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*'''Hot Shot''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2005/2006)

: A smaller, simplified version of ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot was released as part of the first wave of ''[[Legends of Cybertron]]'' toys.

: This mold was used to make a [[#CyLoC2|second Legends of Cybertron Hot Shot (see below)]], ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)#ClLoC|Bumblebee]], and ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#LoC|Red Alert]].

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[[Image:Hotshotcybertrondefensetoy.jpg|right|thumb|He's full of tiny missiles. Bubbles, not so much.]]
*'''Cybertron Defense Hot Shot''' (Deluxe Class, 2005)
**''Japanese ID number'': '''GC-19'''
**''Accessories'': Sword, Cybertron Autobot Cyber Key, Scrapmetal standee (Takara release only)

: Cybertron Defense Hot Shot transforms into a modified [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1117_Armored_Security_Vehicle M1117 Guardian Armored Security Vehicle], in the same blue, navy, and red color scheme as the previous ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot. A [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] Cyber Key is included and when the key is inserted into the back of the turret, the two gun barrels open up into dual (non-firing) missile launchers. Compartments on his shoulders and his thighs can also open up to reveal additional missile launchers. Cybertron Defense Hot Shot also comes with a dagger that stows between his legs in vehicle mode, and when in robot mode, the dagger can be hand-held, peg into the front of his fist, or be put away in a sheath on his leg.

: "Exigeyser," Cybertron Defense Hot Shot's Japanese counterpart, is completely identical, but also came with a cardboard standup depicting three [[Scrapmetal drone]]s. The American version of Cybertron Defense Hot Shot was at some point intended to have a slightly altered deco, which is shown on the back of the packaging, but this altered deco for some reason never superseded the Japanese deco for American release.

: This mold was also used to make ''[[Timelines]]'' [[Springer#BC07|Springer]].

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*'''Red Exillion''' (DVD exclusive, 2005)
**''Accessories'': Launcher, missile, Speed Planet Cyber Key
[[Image:Redexillion.jpg|left|thumb|150px|Someone had to sell porn to afford this.]]

:Red Exillion is a redeco of the ''Cybertron'' Hot Shot toy in red, dark red, and orange, with transparent blue. Limited to 500, it came with the first ''Galaxy Force'' DVD and an empty box set to prepare against the next few ''Galaxy Force'' DVD releases. This redeco took advantage of the toy's homage to ''Generation 1'' Hot Rod, completing the homage with appropriate colors, though the toy is still treated as Hot Shot in Hot Rod colors and not as a Hot Rod toy.

:Before the toy saw official release, several advance test shots entered the market, though in a [http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act368/ slightly altered color treatment] than the final. Originally, the dark red was a brighter red.

:This toy was the indirect inspiration for ''Cybertron'' [[Excellion]]. (The direct inspiration, of course, being the original Hot Rod.) It was also used to make "[[Shattered Glass]]" [[Goldbug (Timelines)|Goldbug]].
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*'''Hot Shot''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)
[[Image:LOCExcellion.jpg|right|thumb|WhErE JAam!1?/]]

: A redeco of [[Legends of Cybertron]] Hot Shot uses Excellion's approximate coloration and paint scheme; however, the toy is not actually labelled "Excellion", merely "Hot Shot". The reason for this is unclear.

: This mold was later repainted into ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]] Legends'' [[Bumblebee (G1)#ClLoC|Bumblebee]], and ''[[Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Red Alert (G1)#LoC|Red Alert]].
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===Attacktix===
[[Image:Attacktix_CybHotShot.jpg|right|thumb|yAy, jaAm shOoToR!!1]]

*'''Hot Shot''' (Booster, 2006)
**''Attacktix ID number'': '''TF09'''

: Part of the first assortment of ''[[Attacktix]]'' Booster Packs, Hot Shot is a "Super Rare" 40-point Warrior-class piece with a spring-loaded "shield-missile" attack. His Special Power "Rally" allows you to return one of your previously-defeated [[Autobot]] pieces back into play. The figure commonly has a black base, but like all Boosters, a rarer chrome-silver-base version was randomly packed into boxes as well.

: This mold was also used to make ''Attacktix'' Excellion, who was also a wave-1 Booster piece.

===Merchandise===
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*'''Hot Rod''' (Super Collection Figure, 2002)
[[Image:Hotshotscf.jpg|left|thumb|[[JaAm]] in stereo.]]

: A PVC figure of Hot Shot was available in Act 9 of [[Takara]]'s [[Super Collection Figure]] series in both full color and solid-pewter finish. All SCF figures were [[blindpacked]] and came with a little stand.

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*'''Hot Rod''' (Mega Super Collection Figure, 2002)
[[Image:MegaSCFHotRod.jpg|right|thumb|wh3rE jAm cOpToR?]]

: Mega SCF Hot Rod is a larger, articulated non-transforming PVC action figure of Hot Shot, based upon his cartoon model. He came with his engine gun and a small, non-transformable PVC figurine of his [[Mini-Con]] partner, [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]].

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*'''Hot Shot''' (Bubble Twist, 2003)
[[Image:Hotshotbubbletwist.jpg|left|thumb|Taste the [[JaAm]] rainbow.]]

:In 2003, Toys "R" Us carried a line of candy toys called [[Bubble Twist]], which dispensed gum from its capsule-shaped container when twisted. Also contained in the capsule was an unpainted rubber figurine of a ''[[G.I. Joe]]'' or ''Transformers [[Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' character, including Hot Shot. Blindpacked, each figure came in several different possible colors.

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*'''Hot Rod''' (Big Transformers)

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*Die-cast car Hot Shot

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*Hot Shot puzzle

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*Hot Shot backpack

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==Trivia==
[[Image:Hotshotprotocolor.jpg|right|thumb|150px|WhY mY SHoUldErS HuRt?]]

*[[#ArDx1|''Armada'' Hot Shot's toy]] had to be completely re-engineered close to release. Due to a structural flaw (and gravity), Hot Shot's arms were not able to attach securely to his shoulders. Furthermore, designer [[Aaron Archer]] felt the early design's wide, football player-like physique was inappropriate to the character archetype. Changes were made last-minute to the design to rework the transformation of the arms, necessitating the dropping of some articulation and the addition of [[kibble]] elsewhere to compensate.

[[Image:ArcherSays.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Lay off the [[JaAm]], pal.]]

*''Armada'' Hot Shot's infamous "[[JaAm]]" grin was actually a misinterpretation of Aaron Archer's original concept art which depicted Hot Shot clenching his teeth together in an open-lipped, determined expression. The head of the original tooling had a maniacal, perhaps unhinged-looking smile in response to this concept art, so the grin was scaled back on the final toy. The grin was removed completely and replaced with a neutral, stern expression when the head was resculpted for [[#ArDxPx|Powerlinx Hot Shot]].

* The rear axle (the "Axelzooka") on the original Hot Shot figure has sculpted shock absorbers in an interesting display of attention to detail. However, they are sculpted 90 degrees in the wrong direction, which would make them useless in reality.

* According to the [[Transformers (Melbourne House)|''Armada'' Playstation 2 game]] instruction booklet, Hot Shot's ''Armada'' body has the following statistics:
:*Mass: 3,109 lbs
:*Robot height: 16' 5"
:*Robot top speed: 50 mph
:*Vehicle height: 5' 11"
:*Vehicle top speed: 186 mph
:*Vehicle power: 400 hp @ 8000 rpm

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==References and footnotes==
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HotShot/hotshot.htm Hot Shot at TFU.info]

*[http://www.shortpacked.com/d/20050406.html Shotrpacked! - Where Optimus prime explains why he keeps Hot Shot around.]

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The Burden Hardest to Bear

2008-04-08T04:15:51Z

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[[Image:Matrix burden 2.jpg|thumb|right|250px|You found me beautiful, once.]]

An overwhelmed [[Hot Rod|Rodimus Prime]] has the [[Matrix of Leadership]] taken from him.

==Detailed synopsis==
At the dawn, the people of [[Japan]] are awakening to do their daily tasks: fishing, going to shrines, and sword practice.

Then the [[Decepticon]]s show up to cause random trouble.

[[Devastator]] begins harassing a few fishermen, but is chased off by [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]. [[Astrotrain]] tries to ram a train head on (real smart) only to have the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s drive him away. [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] and [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] fight it out, when [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and the [[Sweep]]s arrive, but are driven off by Rodimus, [[Kup]], and [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]. However, instead of thanking the [[Autobot]]s for saving many lives, the government of Japan is very upset, saying that the Autobots frightened people and ruined business (thankless bipeds). When [[Marissa Faireborn]] arrives and brings more problems to Rodimus, the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]] loses patience, [[Transformation|transforms]], and drives off. Kup explains that Rodimus is merely strained under the burden of command, much like [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was in his early days as leader, and Marissa decides to follow him, to let him have someone to talk to.

[[Image:Matrix burden 1.jpg|thumb|200px|Galvatron takes the brown acid.]]

Meeting up on the highway, however, the two are attacked by [[Wildrider]] and [[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]], who knock Marissa into a lake and force Rodimus off a cliff. When they inspect Rodimus, they find the Matrix. Realizing that [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] will be ''really'' happy, they steal it and return to [[Chaar]]. In his throne room, Galvatron inserts the Matrix into his cannon, but instead of making it even more powerful like he had hoped, visions of the [[Ancient Autobots]] (including Optimus Prime himself) seep out of the barrel and demand that Galvatron return the Matrix. Galvatron orders [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] to destroy the Matrix, believing it better to be destroyed if the Decepticons can't have it. Scourge, however, inserts the Matrix into himself, and becomes more powerful... but at a startling price.

Meanwhile, the Autobot leader wakes up, to learn that he's reverted to Hot Rod. [[Springer]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] argue that they should go after the Decepticons, but Hot Rod feels that the Matrix isn't worth it, and jets off. Real smart idea, Roddy. On Chaar, Scourge challenges Galvatron, defeating him and Cyclonus. Scourge leads the Decepticons in an attack on [[Earth]], with Galvatron and Cyclonus in pursuit. On Earth, Hot Rod, while watching a martial arts class, gets some perspective, and realizes that he needs to get the Matrix back. He tracks down Scourge, and manages to defeat him, reclaiming the Matrix and becoming Rodimus Prime once more. Galvatron and Cyclonus find a less powerful, and very frightened, Scourge. And they are none too happy with him...

As the Decepticons retreat, Rodimus realizes that he must deal with his missing part, as have those who came before him. Kup reminds him that no matter who carries the Matrix, he will retain that part forever.

==Stats==
'''Original airdate:''' ???

'''Written by:''' [[Michael Charles Hill]]

==Quotes==
"[[wikipedia:Second_City_Television|He done blowed up real good]]." 
:--'''Wildrider''', master of grammar

==Other notes==

===Animation and/or technical glitches===
* When Rodimus is reverted back to Hot Rod, he's still occasionally drawn using Rodimus Prime's [[character model]].
* For some reason, the EDC letters on Marissa Faireborne's shoulder has been replaced with "AOC".

===Continutity errors===
* During Hot Rod's impassioned speech, he notes that the [[Great War|war]] has been going on for "a few dozen millenia." A Millennium is one thousand years. The Third Cybertron War began nine million years ago, according to "[[War Dawn]]", so that's nine thousand millenia. That works out to be about 750 dozen.

===Transformers references===
* When Galvatron inserts the Matrix into his cannon, he says "Now, [['Til all are one|all shall become one]], under Galvatron!"
* Yes, Optimus Prime is among the Ancient Autobots.

===Real-world references===
* References

===Miscellaneous trivia===
* While the episode order can vary, it's a little funny that the episode about Rodimus finally getting used to being leader of the Autobots was followed by the episode in which Optimus returns to replace him.

===Keywords===
(''separate by commas and link each one so a page can be created for it if it does not already exist'')

==External links==
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Pit

2008-04-08T03:21:03Z

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[[Image:Pit universe1.jpg|thumb|250px|Burn, Maximals!]]
* The Pit — A location within [[Unicron]] where unfortunate Transformers have their bodies burned away and painfully re-built so they may serve his purposes.{{storylink|Abduction|Universe#1}} ''The Pit broadly resembles an early script concept of Galvatron's recreation in [[The Transformers: The Movie (1986)]], which later actually appeared in [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)|Marvel UK]]. {{Storylink|The Planet Eater!}}

* The Pit — Roughly analogous to [[Wikipedia:Hell|Hell]] in both Maximal and Predacon belief systems. While the existence of its Heaven-analogue counterpart, the [[Allspark|Matrix]], is a proven fact, the Pit dwells firmly in the realm of the unproven myth. The myth could possibly be based on the location inside Unicron, though Transformers are often ignorant of the Unicron connection. The Inferno (associated myth, see comments) is said to be extremely dark. {{storylink|Dark Voyage}}

* The Pit — A gigantic facility used to produce and bring [[spark|life]] to [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[protoforms]]. Located on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. ''Apparently named for the Pit myth above.'' {{storylink|The Razor's Edge|Razor's Edge (mentioned)}}

* "By the Pit!" / "By the Inferno!" — A Predacon exclamatory invective. It was first used by ?{{fact}} and refers to the Pit myth above.<ref>The exclamation ''could'' also refer to the Pit facility, viewed strictly from a canon standpoint, but it was originally written as the Hell-analog.</ref> ''See below for connection.''

==Behind-the-Scenes==
While outlining the [[Beast Wars (cartoon)|Beast Wars cartoon]], [[Bob Forward]] and [[Larry DiTillio]] created the made-up curse "By the Inferno" so the bad guys could swear. This was changed to "By the Pit" to avoid confusion when a Predacon named [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] was added to the cast. Having made the [[Allspark|Matrix dimension]] an analogue to Heaven, they made the Inferno/Pit their Hell.

The BW series [[bible]] included two facilities that created protoforms, the Matrix and the Pit{{fact}} (names reflecting the heaven/hell dynamic.) These were never mentioned in the series (possibly it was a stand-in concept in case they ever 'needed to answer' to where protoforms came from.) However, 10 years later (2007) the protoform facilities were made [[canon]] by a club-exclusive story... despite the canon now having several other sources of protoforms.

The 2004 [[Universe (comic)|Universe]] introduced the Pit within Unicron. It also introduced the idea that there is only one Unicron across all continuities, so the Pit myth would ''retroactively'' be about this version of the Pit (probably,) which even includes its own fiery inferno! A connection to/inspiration by the early version Galvatron's reformatting has never been confirmed, and is pure speculation.

==Footnotes==
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[[Category: Beast Wars]]
[[category: Beast Wars locations]]
[[category: Curses]]
[[Category: Dimensions]]
[[Category: Timelines]]
[[Category: Unicron]]
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Snarl (BM)

2008-04-08T03:18:32Z

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{{disambig3|Snarl}}

:''Snarl is a [[Maximal]] and an [[Autobot]] from the [[Beast Machines]] and [[Universe]] portion of the [[Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

A tactical genius specializing in devastating ambushes, '''Snarl''' provides the [[technorganic]] Maximals a sound mind for strategy that serves them well in their war against [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]. He has an innate awareness of the world around him that makes him almost impossible to surprise. He considers the [[Vehicons]] beneath him as opponents and wishes to try his mind directly against the scheming Megatron.

By the Universe conflict, less than 3 [[Units of time|deca-cycles]] after the [[reformatting]] of Cybertron, he has become a [[Matrix Templar]], a student of [[Alpha Trion]] and servant of the will of [[Primus]] himself. His training as a templar has granted him the mystical ability to see others [[spark]]s and sense their weaknesses. Though an eager warrior for Primus his desire for battle might prove his undoing in the battle against [[Unicron]].

==Fiction==

===3H ''Wreckers'' comics===

Snarl witnesses the [[Quintesson]] invasion of Cybertron alongside his troops [[Longhorn]] and [[Skydive (BM)|Skydive]]. He sends in the signal to activate "the reserves".
[[Image:Snarl-fp.jpg|frame|No '08 Bumblebees in sight, Longhorn.]]

===Universe CD-ROM===

Snarl follows [[Optimus Primal]] in combat against [[Reptilion]] and his Decepticon forces. {{storylink|Universe CD-ROM}}

==Toys==
===Beast Machines===

Snarl transforms into a [[technorganic]] lion, and in robot mode can wield a sword.

===Universe===

==Trivia==
* Snarl's mold was used as the basis for an unproduced [[3H]] redeco as [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]].

==External Links==

* [http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Snarl/snarl.htm Snarl on TFU.info]

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Omega Supreme (G1)

2008-04-08T03:04:08Z

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{{disambig3|Omega Supreme}}

:''Omega Supreme is an [[Autobot]] in the [[Generation 1]] continuity family.

[[Image:MTMTEOmegaSupreme.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Favorite punctuation mark: colon.]]

'''Omega Supreme''' is one of the [[Scale|largest Autobots there is]]. He isn't much for words, preferring his massive frame and equally massive weapons to do the talking for him. Omega is the last line of defense for the Autobots, a titanic guardian robot capable of instilling fear and panic into the [[spark]]s of [[Decepticons]] that dare face him on the field of battle.

Except [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]. Kill that little guy, it just makes him angry.

{{quote|Omega Supreme: always prepared.|Omega Supreme|"[[Blaster Blues]]"}}

:''Preliminary name'': '''Fortress Maximus'''
:''Italian name'': '''Megarobot'''

==Fiction==
===Animated continuity===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Jack Angel]] (US), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japan)
Omega was one of the many Autobots who just showed up during the second season. Unlike most, however, he was actually given an origin.

[[Image:Robo-Smasher and Omega Supreme.jpg|thumb|left|Et tu, Robo-Smasher?]]

Omega Supreme is the last surviving member of the legendary [[Guardian Robots]], the massive neutral defenders of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. While he was defending the [[Crystal City]], he befriended the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s, the city's creators. However, as it would happen, the Constructicons were attacked by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[Robo-Smasher]] and converted into Decepticons. The now-evil Constructicons convinced Omega to leave his post to help defend another city, and promised to look after the city in his stead. When he left, they demolished the Crystal City to Omega Supreme's horror. He captured them and tried to change the builders back into Autobots, but the process was irreversible and the treacherous Constructicons lured Omega into an ambush by the Smasher. The Robo-Smasher attacked Omega, but it was destroyed before it could convert him. Omega later recounts, "I lived, but, changed. Since then, I feel only hate for the Constructicons." It is thus possible that Omega's cold, emotionless demeanor -- quite different than he behaved before the destruction of the Crystal City -- is a direct result of the Robo-Smasher's work. However, it may also be that he has merely retreated into himself and become withdrawn because of the pain of betrayal and guilt.

[[Image:Omegasupremestorytime01.JPG|right|thumb|150px|Storytime: informative.]]

Some time after these events transpired, the Constructicons left Cybertron in a starship for unknown reasons. Omega Supreme pursued them, "for millions of years, across the galaxies", until they finally arrived on Earth and were reunited with Megatron. He got his chance at revenge when the Constructicons started mining an asteroid that turned out to be the egg of an [[Asteroid bird alien|organic creature]]. Omega left the creature to its own devices, which would have resulted in it devouring [[San Francisco]]. However, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] convinced Omega to lead the creature back to its asteroid, which would sustain it. Omega lost his chance at revenge, but he did his duty. {{Storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

In 1985, the Autobots used Omega Supreme to follow the Decepticons back to Cybertron when they intended to use [[Vector Sigma]] to create a new group of Decepticon warriors. After failing to stop the Decepticons from creating the [[Stunticon]]s, the Autobots created a new team of their own to counter the new threat, the [[Aerialbot]]s. As Omega Supreme escaped Cybertron, he was hit by weapons fire from the [[Centurion droid]]s, and once he safely disembarked his passengers on Earth, he catastrophically exploded. {{Storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1}}

[[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] connected Omega Supreme's mind to the ''[[Ark]]'s'' life support unit while they set about putting the giant back together. The arrogant Aerialbots, unimpressed with both the Autobots and the humans they protected, refused to help their comrades in defeating the Decepticons until their group leader [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] showed them how Sparkplug was able to disregard his fatigue and continue repairing Omega Supreme simply because of his concern for a friend's well being. Soon afterwards, the Aerialbots were facing defeat as [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] at the hands of the Stunticon combined form, [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], when the newly-repaired Omega Supreme suddenly appeared and helped them defeat the combiner and send the Decepticons packing. {{Storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

Omega rarely spoke, and then it was usually just two or three words. This is by choice, however, as he can speak normally if prompted.

===Marvel Comics continuity===
[[Image:Omega_comics.jpg|thumb|left|200px|I... AM DARKWING DUCK!]]

Omega Supreme was built by the Autobots on [[Earth]] in order to guard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' while they were away. With Omega completed, the Autobots could leave the base en masse to attack the Decepticons. [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] immediately took advantage of the situaiton by ordering [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], [[Rumble]], [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]], and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] to attack the ''Ark''. Unfortunately, they didn't get the memo about the Autobots' new defense system, and Omega Supreme easily destroyed all of them except Laserbeak, who managed to escape with a wounded Megatron back to the Decepticons. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Though Omega Supreme continued to guard the Ark, he didn't seem to stay [[Scale|quite as huge]] as he used to be. When Trypticon attacked the ''Ark'', he carpeted the entrance to the ''Ark'' with sonic scrambler mines, disabling Omega and the other Autobots within; Omega was thus unable to square off against the giant. {{storylink|King of the Hill!}}

[[Image:Omegasupreme-blasterandgrimlock.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Size: indeterminate.]]

Later, Omega Supreme acted as a sort of Master of Ceremonies when Blaster and Grimlock were due to fight it out for Autobot leadership on the moon. He was pretty small. The narrator seemed to think it was bad news when [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] cannon-blasted him. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

Starscream's death ultimately proved to be only temporary, and after he gained the power of the [[Underbase]], Omega Supreme was amongst the casualties. {{storylink|Dark Star}} Pieces of him were seen in Ratchet's repair bay, but he was never shown to be functional again. {{storylink|Back from the Dead!}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===

Some time after the departure of the ''Ark'', Omega Supreme and [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] were sent out to go find them. They ultimately ended up buried under Antarctica on Earth. Millions of years later, Jetfire remotely reactivated Omega Supreme in an attempt to defeat [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]]. Though Omega Supreme was initially successful, Sunstorm managed to obscure his vision. When Omega Supreme retracted his visor in order to see, Sunstorm blasted him right in the face with a burst of solar radiation, instantly knocking him off line. He soon recovered, but Sunstorm had escaped. Omega later helped the Autobots in building [[Autobot City]].

===IDW comics continuity===

[[Image:OmegaSupreme_SpotlightPrime.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Privacy: Requested. Discharge: Imminent.]]

Omega Supreme is largely a non-participant in the galactic cold-war between the Autobots and Decepticons. Predating the notion of factions and having survived two [[Prime (rank)|Primes]], he remains in seclusion in a specially-shielded artificial asteroid within the [[Muta-Gaath Nebula]]. Though nominally allied with the Autobots, he remains outside of the conflict for fear of escalating it due to the firepower he commands. Instead, he exists as a resource to Primes in times of doubt. However, he did participate in the Autobot/Decepticon battle to stop [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]], alongside [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and [[Trypticon]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1}}

Omega Supreme is one of the few living Transformers to remember the first ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. Believing that the Transformer race should exercise a slow inner growth through intellectual contemplation, he frequently clashed with the expansionist [[Nova Prime]], who felt Cybertron's destiny lay in the conquest of other worlds. After the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s departure and Nova Prime's disappearance, Omega Supreme discovered a horrific creation of theirs: [[Monstructor]]. He sealed the gestalt in a dimensionally-displaced prison to prevent it from devastating Cybertron and escalating the burgeoning conflict. Centuries later, Optimus Prime came to him for advice. While the two were talking, Monstructor — somehow freed from captivity — attacked. Omega Supreme told Optimus Prime the truth about himself, Nova Prime, and Monstructor. Though Optimus Prime succeeded in defeating the gestalt, he condemned Omega Supreme for attempting to play god by simply locking them away.

As he was defeated very easily by a single gestalt, this version of Omega is either considerably weaker than others, or the gestalts are considerably ''stronger'' in this [[continuity]] (Omega seems to believe the latter). {{Storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}}

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Omega Supreme''' (1985, 2008)
**''Accessories:'' 2 small shields, 2 medium shields, 2 large shields, 4 armour halves (A, B, C, D), 4 ankle half (E, F, G, H), 2 feet, backpack, 4 tracks (J, K, L, M)

[[Image:G1OmegaSupreme_toy.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Fragility: unappreciated.]]

:Omega Supreme transforms into a three individual components simultaneously: a large rocket base, a rocket and a tank. Not unlike the [[Seeker]]s, whose toys involve minimal actual transformation, and more "pull all the bits off and put them back on in different ways," Omega Supreme involves next to no actual manipulation of his parts, "transforming" instead by being disassembled into his component pieces, which are then put back together in a different configuration.

:Omega's distinctive forearms (his left a large cannon, his right a large three-fingered claw) disconnect from his arms at the elbow and plug together end-on-end to form the rocket. His legs are comprised of quite a few independent parts — the outer casing of each one is a "shell" made up of two pieces held together by three sliding yellow clips, concealing two further "shell" pieces which clip around his leg proper, and are held together by his foot. All of these parts are removed and reassembled to form the "core" of the rocket base, which is completed with the addition of Omega's backpack and feet as a gantry for the rocket to stand astride, and his wings (made up of six individual pieces themselves, which can be assembled in various configurations) as an ovular track that encircles the whole affair. This leaves Omega's torso, which then undergoes some actual transformation to become a tank that rests on the track. The torso features a battery-operated motor which propels the tank around the track as its turret spins and flashes with orange light, or allows Omega to walk (very slowly) forward in robot mode. This motor is extremely susceptible to failure.

:Omega Supreme was one of several toys licensed by [[Hasbro]] from manufacturers other than [[Takara]] — specifically, from Toy Box, an origin he shares with [[Sky Lynx]]. As a consequence, Omega Supreme was never released in Japan under the ''Transformers'' brand during the original 1980s run.

:However, in January 2008 Takaratomy announced that Omega Supreme will be a part of their [[Transformers Encore]] ''Generation 1'' [[reissue]] line in June, which will mark his first-ever release in Japan.

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*'''Omega Spreem''' (Action Master Elite, 1991)
**''Accessories:'' Gun/treads

[[Image:G1OmegaSpreem_toy.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Identity: specious. Colors: [[Neon|abrasive]].]]

:As an [[Action Master Elite]], Omega Spreem is one of the few figures in the [[Action Master]] line that can actually transform to some extent, in this case transforming into a Cybertronian tank, though the 'transformation' itself merely consists of him bending over. A button on back of the tank turret, when pressed, spins the front half of the turret. In robot mode, he carries the front of his tank as a treaded gun.

:Omega Spreem, as with the other Action Master Elites, was only released in Europe and Australasia.

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===Merchandise===
*'''Autobot Snow Globe''' (2007)
[[Image:Ark_Globe.jpg|left|thumb|Appearance: cameo. Residuals: minimal.]]

:Omega Supreme appears as part of the snow globe's base.

{{-}}

*'''Omega Supreme Statue''' (2008)
[[Image:Omega_statue.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Pose: [[Pat_Lee#Transformers_by_Dreamwave|Dreamwave]]. Knees: buckling.]]

:Omega Supreme was released as a statue in 2008 by Diamond Select Toys. He was sculpted by Mark Wong of Art Asylum and limited to 1,000 pieces.

{{-}}

==Trivia==
*Originally, Omega Supreme was going to be named [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], due to Hasbro wanting to use the name on something.

*Omega Supreme's name could be translated as "Last of the Best"; given his role as the "last line of defense", this is appropriate.

*Omega Supreme can seemingly launch his rocket into space, leaving the remaining parts behind at his launch base, and then transform fully back to robot mode even though a good number of his body parts are separated from the rocket by a good planetary diameter or two (if not several light years).

*Omega Spreem (the name of Omega Supreme's Action Master Elite form) is actually one possible transliteration of the Katakana (i.e. Japanese) version of "Omega Supreme". Thus it is probably a typo resulting from the name "Omega Supreme" going from English to Japanese, and then back to English again.

==External links==
* [http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/OmegaSupreme/OmegaSupreme.htm Omega Supreme at TFU.info]
* [http://www.tfu.info/1991/Autobot/OmegaSpreem/omegaspreem.htm Omega Spreem at TFU.info]

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The Desert Island of Space!

2008-04-08T01:48:10Z

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[[Image:MarvelUS-39.jpg|thumb|right|200px|He's a bad mother... SHUT YOUR MOUTH.]]
{{Template:Comicnav | Generation 1 (Marvel Comics) | 39 | seriesname=Marvel U.S. | prev=Trial by Fire! | next=Pretender to the Throne! | series2=Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)#Marvel UK | seriesname2=Marvel UK | issuenumber2=Issue #158{{n-}}159 | prev2=Trial by Fire! | next2=Salvage! }}
'''Acapulco was never like this...'''

==Synopsis==
As Buster Witwicky slowly comes to, he quickly realizes he is far from home. The giant [[Decepticon]] robots looming over him was a good clue. Shockwave and Ratbat debate the fuel-efficiency merits of keeping the young [[human]] alive, with Shockwave defending his position by pointing to the human naval fleet just off the coast of their new island base. He correctly believes that Buster will serve as an effective human shield against any reprisal by [[Intelligence and Information Institute|Triple-I]] or the military. As Forsythe and Barnett find themselves stymied by the Decepticons, Walter calls home to [[Oregon]] to alert Sparkplug Witwicky of his son's fate.

At that very moment, Spike Witwicky has returned to his father's hotel to inform him that he's going to search for Buster. As Barnett's call comes through, Spike surprises his father by "tracing the call" just by holding the phone wire in his hands. He's forced then to reveal his new status as an [[Autobot]] [[Headmaster]], and takes his father outside to introduce him to his new partner, Fortress Maximus, and the [[Targetmaster]] troops currently under his command. As Spike is doing the introductions, though, there is dissension in the ranks, especially with Kup, who disapproves of their overly-sentimental new leader.

As the [[All-Terrain Turbo-Transport|Autobot turbo-transport]] arrives at the island, Kup insists Fortress Maximus remain behind and provide covering fire for the Targetmasters, lest his sentiment interfere directly with the mission. Kup should have been more worried about the island itself interfering, though, as massive cannons and blaster-weapons pop out of the sand and began unloading on the Autobots. Kup and his men are driven back into the water as the island's impenetrable dome forms above the sand, revealing its true form as a giant spacecraft.

In order to save his brother, Spike combines with Fortress Maximus and leaps onto the island craft as it begins shooting out of Earth's atmosphere. As the Decepticons inside detect his presence, Shockwave triggers an elaborate defensive mechanism that flips Fort Max off the side of the rocket and directly in line with a palm tree that spears him with a missile. Damaged, Cerebros splits off from his larger partner, only to be forced into combat with Shockwave himself, who has left the rocket to defend his precious logic from the illogical actions of the Autobot. A blast from Shockwave's gun mode cripples Cerebros, and Spike is forced to separate off once more, leaving himself very vulnerable. However, he manages to remotely line-up Max's guns to target Shockwave, blasting him back into Earth's gravitational pull, where the Decepticon begins to burn up in re-entry.

Spike has a brief moment of reunion with Buster through the island's transparent casing before Ratbat fires the rockets and takes the ship far beyond Spike's meager propulsion capabilities. As he and his components are picked up by the Targetmasters' transport, Spike laments the loss of his brother. Despite that, his take-charge attitude and success against Shockwave earned him the respect of his fellow Autobots, and Kup officially welcomes Spike onto the team.

==Credits==
'''Script:''' [[Bob Budiansky]] 
'''Pencils:''' [[Jose Delbo]] 
'''Inks:''' [[Dave Hunt]] 
'''Colors:''' [[Nelson Yomtov]] 
'''Lettering:''' [[Bill Oakley]] 
'''Editor:''' [[Don Daley]] 
'''Editor-in-Chief:''' [[Tom DeFalco]] 
*''Originally published:'' April, 1988

===Major characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Human]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
* [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] (8)
* [[Fortress Maximus]] (9)
* [[Crosshairs]] (10)
* [[Pointblank]] (11)
* [[Kup]] (12)
* [[Hot Rod]] (13)
* [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] (14)
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (15)
* [[Rollbar (G1)|Rollbar]] (25)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (2)
* [[Ratbat]] (3)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |'''Regulars'''
* [[Buster Witwicky]] (1)
* [[Walter Barnett]] (5)
* [[Sparkplug Witwicky]] (6)
* [[Spike Witwicky]] (7)
'''Guests'''
* [[Forrest Forsythe]] (4)
'''Nebulans'''
* [[Peacemaker]] (16)
* [[Spoilsport]] (17)
* [[Pinpointer]] (18)
* [[Firebolt|Sparks]] (19)
* [[Haywire]] (20)
* [[Recoil]] (21)
|}

==Errors==
* Forsythe and Barnett incorrectly identify their former Autobot captives as numbering seven total, not six.
* The ''entire'' island was being held back by Fortress Maximus's weight alone?
* Why wasn't Buster sucked out through the top of the island when it opened up to fire the palm tree?

==Items of note==
* Spike's trick with the phone makes it clear that binary-bonding bestows Headmaster partners with more than just transforming ability.
* In the U.S. comic, Shockwave is supposedly destroyed, and indeed believed dead for years until he eventually turns up again in [[Dark Creation|U.S. #65]].
* Though it's glossed over, one can assume the Autobots stopped off at the naval fleet and collected the [[Throttlebot]]s from Barnett and Triple-I around this point, as the robots were back with the Autobots by the [[Underbase Saga]].

===UK printing===
* The UK cover features Shockwave holding Buster, drawn by [[Dan Reed]]. UK issue #158 includes Transformers A to Z entries for [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] and [[Huffer]].
* The UK version corrects the number of Transformers Triple-I captured to six and the number of Throttlebots Barnett brings with him back down to five... except for the fifth panel on page 7 which is untouched and retains the U.S. error. Whoops.
* It also corrects Spike calling Galen a "Human" during his explanation to Sparkplug.
* It also changes Spike's explanation from stating that he bonded with "Galen's Autobot body" to "Fort's Autobot body", which is arguably an unnecessary correction, since the body of Fortress Maximus is the same thing as the Autobot body of Galen.
* In the UK version, Shockwave's supposed demise was edited into the more benign sounding fate of merely falling to [[Earth]], to allow his continued use in UK only stories such as in very next issue. Specifically, Shockwave's line "Its gravity is pulling me down... into the atmosphere... where it is only logical... that I burn up..." was changed to the much less ironic "it is only logical... that I fall to earth..." A couple of Ratbat's lines have also been changed to reflect that Shockwave does not die, and these changes similarly drain the irony from his lines.
* All of these changes are sloppy, and look like they were penned in by a six-year-old.
* In Grim Grams for issue #158, [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] attempts to clear up confusion over if Fortress Maximus's original partner was Galen or [[Kord]], and continually teases on the events in the upcoming issues [[Salvage!|#160 & 161]].
* In Grim Grams for issue #159, Grimlock accepts yet more praise for ''[[The Legacy of Unicron!|Legacy of Unicron]]'' and the last 50 issues.

===Covers (3)===
{{picsneeded|UK cover}}
* '''U.S. issue 39 cover:''' Fort Max shafted by [[Jose Delbo]]
* '''UK issue 158 cover:''' Shockwave holding Buster by [[Dan Reed]]
* '''UK issue 159 cover:''' Truly ugly copying of the US cover by [[Will Simpson]] and [[David Elliot]]

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Brothers in Armor!!

2008-04-08T00:17:31Z

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[[Image:MarvelHeadmasters-4.jpg|thumb|right|200px|To me, Spa- errr, [[Firebolt]]!!]]
{{Template:Comicnav | Headmasters (comic)| 4 | seriesname=''The Transformers: Headmasters''| prev=Love and Steel! | next=Trial by Fire! | series2=Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)#Marvel UK | seriesname2=Marvel UK | issuenumber2=Issue #142{{n-}}145 | prev2=Child's Play (comic issue) | next2=Stargazing }}
'''To ensure the safety of Nebulos, Galen and Lord Zarak must each make a huge sacrifice.'''

==Synopsis==
With most of their opposition incapacitated, the [[Decepticon]]s continue their conquest of [[Nebulos]]. Lord Zarak finds himself torn by his loyalties to the world he loves and his link to the [[Headmaster]] leader, Scorponok. As the [[Autobot]]s further experiment with Nebulan [[binary-bonding]] by creating the [[Targetmaster]]s, Galen pleads with Zarak to see what the Decepticons are doing to their world.

After being defeated in an attack by the Autobot Targetmasters, Zarak begins to see that Galen was right, and while the Decepticons escalate the conflict by creating their own Targetmasters, Zarak frees his prisoners, pleading with them to take the battle offworld to join [[Transformer]]s already on the planet [[Earth]]. Zarak knows that if the Autobots leave Nebulos, the Decepticons will follow, and his world might yet be saved. The Autobots agree to this proposal, and abandon the planet, leaving a war-torn Nebulos to rebuild once the Transformers have left.

{{note|This story is continued in the main US comic issue [[Trial by Fire!]]}}

==Credits==
'''Script:''' [[Bob Budiansky]] 
'''Pencils:''' [[Frank Springer]] 
'''Inks:''' [[Ian Akin]] & [[Brian Garvey]] 
'''Colors:''' [[Nelson Yomtov]] 
'''Lettering:''' [[Jack Morelli]] 
'''Editor:''' [[Don Daley]] 
*''Originally published:'' January, 1988

===Featured characters===
(''Numbers indicate order of appearance.)
{|border=5 cellpadding=5 cellspacing=5 align=center style="border:#800000"
! style="background:#FFEEEE" | [[Autobot]]s
! style="background:#EEEEFE" | [[Decepticon]]s
! style="background:antiquewhite" | [[Nebulos|Nebulan]]s
|-
| style="background:#FFEEEE" valign="top" |
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (10)
* [[Kup]] (11)
* [[Hot Rod]] (12)
* [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] (23)
* [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] (24)
* [[Highbrow]] (25)
* [[Brainstorm]] (26)
* [[Chromedome]] (27)

| style="background:#EEEEFE" valign="top" |
* [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (1)
* [[Snapdragon]] (2)
* [[Mindwipe]] (3)
* [[Apeface]] (4)
* [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] (14)
* [[Triggerhappy]] (15)
* [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (16)
* [[Misfire]] (17)
* [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] (18)

| style="background:antiquewhite" valign="top" |
* [[Spasma]] (5)
* [[Vorath]] (6)
* [[Krunk]] (7)
* [[Monzo]] (8)
* [[Lord Zarak]] (9)
* [[Galen]] (13)
* [[Duros]] (19)
* [[Gort]] (20)
* [[Arcana]] (21)
* [[Stylor]] (22)

|}

==Errors==
* Cover — Kup is miscolored as gold instead of teal.
* Page 3 — First panel: Spasma's dialog is attributed to Zarak/Scorponok.
* Page 5 — Third panel: Pinpointer's dialog is attributed to "Sparks."
* Page 16 — Eighth panel: Gort's suit is once again drawn as Chromedome's body.
* Page 18 — Second and third panels: And again, Fortress Maximus is drawn with Cerebros' head.
* Page 21 — Second panel: Pointblank is missing his head.
* Page 22 — The Decepticon ship is written as having been parked in orbit like the ''[[Steelhaven]]'', but Springer draws it as if it launches from the ground, complete with launching pad. (Consequently, this confused later artist [[Jose Delbo]], and thus the ship is drawn in its second appearance in "[[Trial by Fire!]]" with its launching platform attached to it.)
* Page 22 — First panel: As the Autobots leave and reboard their ship that is in orbit around Nebulos, several of the non-flying Autobots are given a friendly ride by Decepticons (Slugslinger, Misfire, Triggerhappy).

==Items of note==
* Advertised as part 4 in a 4-issue limited series.
* ''Two'' exclamation points. Because it's ''that'' exciting.

===References===
* The message Hot Rod receives on page 6 was sent by [[Bumblebee (G1)|Goldbug]] in Marvel U.S. [[Toy Soldiers!|issue #37]].
===Covers (5)===
{{picsneeded|UK cover}}
* '''U.S. cover:''' Targetmasters Ho Rod and Kup by [[Frank Springer]]
* '''UK issue 142 cover:''' Bruticus whipping Defensor with a train by [[Dan Reed]] and [[Robin Bouttell]]
* '''UK issue 143 cover:''' A giant claw about to grab Blast Off by [[Martin Griffiths]]
* '''UK issue 144 cover:''' Grimlock leaping/falling feet first from the ''Ark'' by [[Barry Kitson]]
* '''UK issue 145 cover:''' Starscream hates Christmas by Barry Kitson and Robin Bouttell

{{collist|2|
[[Image:MarvelUK-142.jpg|thumb|center|Issue 142 cover]]
[[Image:MarvelUK-143.jpg|thumb|center|Issue 133 cover]]
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[[Image:MarvelUK-144.jpg|thumb|center|Issue 144 cover]]
[[Image:MarvelUK-145.jpg|thumb|center|Bah, humbug!]]
}}

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User:Spriteless

2008-04-07T04:37:13Z

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I went to make an account and found someone already using my internet name, and a password I know. I wish someone had told me about that before those anon edits.

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Sectors Even

2007-08-20T01:54:45Z

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:''Sectors Even'' is a fictional company in the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] [[continuity family]].

[http://www.sectorseven.org Sectorseven.org], [[Sector Seven|Sector Seven's]] publicly-accessible e-mail client, is registered to the fictional company '''Sectors Even'''.

When [[Sector Seven]] wants to be seen operating in public, they use their front company [[S7 Industries]] and pretend what they're doing is an elaborate publicity stunt for their [[Transformers brand|video-game-properties]]. In contrast, Sectors Even is the name they use when they ''don't'' want attention.

==Trivia==
* The Sectorseven.org domain registry is part of the [[Sector Seven (game)|alternate reality game]] surrounding the movie.

==External Links==
* [http://whois.domaintools.com/sectorseven.org WHOIS record for Sectorseven.org]

[[Category: Sector Seven]]
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Megatron (Animated)

2007-08-20T00:25:42Z

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{{disambig3|Megatron}}

:''Megatron is an Decepticon in the [[Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:AnimatedMegatron.jpg|thumb|It's actually a sword gun that shoots other swords]]

Secure in both ranged and melee combat, '''Megatron''' wields both a huge kick-ass arm cannon and a katana.

==Fiction==

===Transformers Animated cartoon===
[[Image:TFA_Megatron_Starscream.jpg|left|thumb|Ominous silhouettes make anything look cool.]]
:''Voice actor: [[Corey Burton]] (US), ? (Japan)''

Megatron will not be the most active leader, but will apparently be directing a lot of what the evil fleshies do.
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==Toy==
*'''Megatron''' (2008)

Transforms into an alien VTOL jet that looks significantly more jet-like than his [[Megatron (Movie)|Movie counterpart]], despite the fact he seems to have stolen Movie Megatron's head. His cannon is indeed HUGE, but sadly he doesn't appear to come with his katana.
{{coming soon}}

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