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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Squigsquasher: /* &amp;quot;Radical Feminist SJWs&amp;quot; */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Regarding deletion==&lt;br /&gt;
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::JaAm has a page.  &#039;Ruined Forever&#039; is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is.  Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]].  (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...)  My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- &amp;quot;huh, why dont&#039; we have a page for that?&amp;quot;  (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murphy|Don Murray]] out of my brain.) &lt;br /&gt;
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide.  If a majority think it&#039;s not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I say it&#039;s as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber.  It&#039;s not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he&#039;s also got to sign my posts for me.  Damn that Derik.  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN.  --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I vote for keeping the page.  As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don&#039;t like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like &#039;&#039;Ruined FOREVER&#039;&#039;, [[Furmanism]], and Chewed caramels be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005&#039;s &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of &#039;dull surprise&#039; until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nor I.  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;re just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are &#039;about&#039; a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it.  Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave&#039;s style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels &#039;&#039;seems&#039;&#039; to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1&#039;s design aesthetic.  I doubt anyone put &#039;&#039;conscious thought&#039;&#039; into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren&#039;t &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; about the phrase- they&#039;re about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.&lt;br /&gt;
::(I&#039;m not familiar with &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that.  I also don&#039;t know &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot; but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP]. &lt;br /&gt;
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::::Actually, Steve-o, I&#039;d say &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one.  Having never heard of &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot;, and seeing that few others apparently have either, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s as much a meme as &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime&#039;s minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed.  The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&amp;amp;st=20&amp;amp;p=551756&amp;amp;#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually.  Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex&lt;br /&gt;
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Usage==&lt;br /&gt;
Has &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I&#039;m not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m sure something very similar, at least, has been used.  But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what&#039;s the problem?  Can you recommend a better title for the article?  Or are you saying the article shouldn&#039;t exist at all?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I (and a number of others) used to think &amp;quot;Rapeing my childood&amp;quot; was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It&#039;s still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The &#039;&#039;&#039;scream your head off in outraged panic&#039;&#039;&#039; / &#039;&#039;&#039;call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the &amp;quot;sky is falling&amp;quot; aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer &#039;&#039;number&#039;&#039; of times fans have declared TF ruined forever.  (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)&lt;br /&gt;
:If you have some other title you&#039;d prefer for this article like &#039;Clicken-Little Syndrome&#039; by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.&lt;br /&gt;
:And frankly, while the &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; itself is worthy of ridicule, the &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda &#039;&#039;endearing&#039;&#039; and speaks well of fans.  At least their &#039;&#039;hearts&#039;&#039; are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Paul Dini==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini &#039;&#039;the writer&#039;&#039; being used for Animated will &amp;quot;RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER&amp;quot; is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I&#039;ve never seen any individual display the idiocy we&#039;re accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I have.&lt;br /&gt;
Scary, scary stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a &amp;quot;general hasbro idiocy&amp;quot; linking to &amp;quot;transformers&amp;quot; or somesuch?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Marked for deletion.==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is getting out of hand.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now.  As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article.  While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor &amp;quot;friend&amp;quot; decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer.  This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive &#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039; negative about Transformers itself at all.  Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.&lt;br /&gt;
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By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar.  Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree. I didn&#039;t feel this article was necessary, and I still don&#039;t. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn&#039;t belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister &amp;quot;integrity of the characters&amp;quot; is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m putting in a vote for keeping it. It&#039;s a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it&#039;s wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think it should stay, it&#039;s funny.  Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I would keep it.  I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown.  [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude.  I&#039;ve fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors.  If you&#039;re gonna get in a pissy editing war, we&#039;d damn well better know who you are.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; article is stupid and don&#039;t make any sense. Its just shit&lt;br /&gt;
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: [[Seafood Louis]].  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike &#039;ruined it permanently&#039; so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, &#039;ok, well maybe I&#039;m over-reacting.&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Well said, citizen.  [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, you&#039;ve cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate.  And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom&#039;s reactionary past.&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It&#039;s inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn&#039;t that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.&lt;br /&gt;
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(and that aside, I just think it&#039;s really, really funny)&lt;br /&gt;
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.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That&#039;s me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Where do we draw the line?==&lt;br /&gt;
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever?  Why, for instance, is &#039;&#039;The Beast Within&#039;&#039; in there?  Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; than We&#039;ve, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to &#039;&#039;twice&#039;&#039; that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.  &lt;br /&gt;
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they&#039;re canon.  Also, it was the reason for the article&#039;s creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Why wait?  If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to &amp;quot;Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay,&amp;quot; and perhaps a few others, right now.  Then a &amp;quot;Trivia&amp;quot; note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever.  Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I&#039;ve seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, Thy, I&#039;d append your list with a general &amp;quot;*-masters&amp;quot; thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever&#039;s listed here should have a certain &amp;quot;endurance&amp;quot; as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? &amp;quot;* Masters&amp;quot; certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&amp;amp;start=10&amp;amp;sa=N&amp;amp;scoring=d&amp;amp;ie=utf-8&amp;amp;oe=utf-8&amp;amp;|&amp;quot;killed transformers&amp;quot;] ain&#039;t enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I doubt I&#039;d get objections if I added it, but I&#039;d like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;such a dramatic departure.&#039;&#039;&#039; Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering &amp;quot;My god... they&#039;ve finally done it. It&#039;s ruined...&amp;quot; --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You&#039;re missing the point of the article, then.  The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it&#039;s usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Last Deletion Locked in?==&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked.  Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There are two facets to this.  First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow.  Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back.  Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.&lt;br /&gt;
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; concept.  &amp;quot;Runined forever&amp;quot; is a cry that springs up whenever &#039;&#039;something new is added to the Transformers brand&#039;&#039; by HasTak, and it happens every single time.  Thus, the fans &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; ruin TF forver, because they don&#039;t add new canon.  And, while HasTak &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; ruin TF forever, it&#039;s because they&#039;re the only ones who can do so.  I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Fair enough, I suppose.  It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor.  Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible.  [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Masters of the Universe link==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line&#039;s failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel&#039;s &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; as the reason for the line&#039;s failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article.  (Hint: It wasn&#039;t kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: The fact is the line failed, no one can say *exactly* why. There are reasons for both oppinions. &lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn&#039;t reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more &amp;quot;realisticly&amp;quot;. In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of &#039;80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with &#039;&#039;&#039;actual kids&#039;&#039;&#039; in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line&#039;s failure on the older fan mentality.&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Also Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn&#039;t get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line&#039;s failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of &amp;quot;samori repaints on stilts&amp;quot; is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line&#039;s retail appeal. &lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally I think there&#039;s some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, &#039;&#039;&#039;AND&#039;&#039;&#039; the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to &#039;blame&#039;, and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it&#039;s not a clear cut case of &#039;it&#039;s all the collectors fault&#039;. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hrm, there&#039;s some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison.  (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou&#039;re not bringing new fans in.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it&#039;s worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren&#039;t watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Here&#039;s an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it&#039;s more balanced, so we don&#039;t end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s worth noting that even in today&#039;s environment, the military has &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it&#039;s very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the &amp;quot;big&amp;quot; Joe revival frankly isn&#039;t very big. It&#039;s pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I&#039;d also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro&#039;s bookkeeping. They&#039;ve done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they&#039;re doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn&#039;t available here, because Hasbro AU&#039;s last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I&#039;ve read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They&#039;re not on pegs anymore, so I guess they&#039;ve been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s always going to, because there will always, &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman &amp;quot;CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!&amp;quot; (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can&#039;t sell your &#039;&#039;two primary characters in the line&#039;&#039;, maybe there&#039;s something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it&#039;d be like if a Batman line couldn&#039;t sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU&#039;s failure. Frankly, I&#039;d say just add a note to OUR article saying &amp;quot;ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn&#039;t want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini.&amp;quot; --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line &amp;quot;catered exclusively to older collectors&amp;quot; and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I&#039;d say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-&#039;&#039;&#039;Edit:&#039;&#039;&#039; On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::And this is my point - we&#039;ll start looking like idiots who can&#039;t even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I see Zac&#039;s point- but I think he&#039;s reacting to something that&#039;s not in the article.  We&#039;re holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention.  Since there &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.  &lt;br /&gt;
:::We do not say that this is &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; the line failed.  It probably &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;, but we don&#039;t say that.  We merely hold it up as an apporach that&#039;s probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
:::So to be really blunt-- I don&#039;t care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was.  &#039;&#039;&#039;A)&#039;&#039;&#039; That&#039;s masturbatory.  &#039;&#039;&#039;B)&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s not what this article is talking about, so it&#039;s simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But it says &#039;cater exclusively to the old-school collectors&#039;, which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it&#039;s not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::In this context, that &#039;catering&#039; refers to design, not case assortments.  We&#039;re discussing &#039;&#039;reinvention&#039;&#039;.  One does not &#039;reinvent&#039; case assortments!  And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::More to the point- we&#039;re discussing changign the content on &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something &#039;&#039;we&#039;re not even saying here&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this.  But we&#039;re not!  We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article &#039;&#039;doesn&#039;t&#039;&#039; say, but which &#039;might run through that same fanboy&#039;s mind as they read our article.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::While &#039;&#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039;&#039; clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best &#039;&#039;&#039;it doesn&#039;t matter&#039;&#039;&#039;.  We say it catered to collectors.  That&#039;s it!  &#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.&#039;&#039;&#039; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is The [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] series, the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]], and [[Exclusive]]s listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It&#039;s satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding to the list ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Cliff Notes version: there&#039;s very little reason to.&lt;br /&gt;
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The full version: Contrary to what [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER many people think], this is not a list of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER everything Transformers ever].  It is not even a list of everything Transformers that fans have ever complained about.  It is a list of the relative handful of times that something ground-shaking and new has come along, something totally different from what&#039;s gone before, something that&#039;s not exactly like 1984, that causes people to complain that Transformers has irrevocably jumped the shark and begun sinking into an irreversible oblivion.  All this doomsaying is then typically followed by the franchise surging back to life as the awful horrible new thing turns out to be a smashing success.  Alternately, the horrible new thing quietly fades away while the franchise chugs along to the next new thing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thing is, anybody who&#039;s stuck with Transformers to this point is used to these reinventions.  Perspective has grown long enough that plenty of fans now understand that anything they don&#039;t like will be gone in a year or two.  Maybe I&#039;m biased &#039;cause I only read the Allspark boards and they&#039;re fairly intelligent, but cries of RUINED FOREVER are increasingly rare these days. &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why Drift is on the list.  Plenty of people think he sucks, but nobody&#039;s claiming he&#039;s going to bring down the whole franchise.  &#039;&#039;All Hail Megatron&#039;&#039; would be a better candidate, because people (including myself!) &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; claiming that IDW&#039;s whole storyline has been permanently destroyed by it.  (You could also make a case for &#039;&#039;Energon&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;bad anime&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;Prime Directive&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;MATURE ADULT XXX&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Buckets of Blood&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Pat Lee&amp;quot;), and/or Dreamwave (&amp;quot;The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Superstars&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Bankruptcy&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why stolen prototypes are on the list.  Yeah, some of us make a fuss over them.  Y&#039;know why?  Because HASBRO THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY ARE A THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS.  There&#039;s no ridiculously overblown grasping-at-straws fandom absurdity to mock here.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I&#039;d need to see a LOT of linked posts before I&#039;d accept ROTF on the list.  I can&#039;t fathom someone having complaints about ROTF that didn&#039;t also apply to the first movie. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:10, 25 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are new complaints about ROTF - about [[Mudflap (ROTF)|these]] [[Skids (ROTF)|two]].--[[Special:Contributions/172.162.17.159|172.162.17.159]] 08:34, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Repowers 100%.  If anything, I think the list could use some trimming.  Are people complaining about the Twins? Sure! Is ANYONE saying that Transformers, as a franchise, is over/tainted? Umm ... not that I&#039;ve heard.  Certainly no substantial block of the fandom.  &lt;br /&gt;
::And stolen prototypes, while I DO think people make a somewhat biggish deal about them, don&#039;t really belong on the list either.  A: as Repowers points out, Hasbro itself has legitimized the concern.  B: people getting annoyed about something is NOT the same as saying that the Transformers brand is beyond recovery.  Hell, even AHM seems like a stretch.  I think that most of the fandom has gained enough hindsight to know that, at worst, AHM represents a change in direction for *IDW&#039;S* story, but certainly not the end of Transformers as we know it.  Hell, ROTF and Animated were contemporary, and both were tremendous successes.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure we we can&#039;t have Energon on this list, seeing all the complaints on this very wiki, but, eh.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 08:00, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I disagree. I&#039;ve read on here that people LIKED it at first, but eventually lost faith/the will to live after watching it. The list chronicles the events which work the OTHER way around. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 09:07, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I&#039;d say the list has nothing to do with how good something is, but more with complaints from the fandom and especially even before the thing in question has been released. Having said that, does RiD really warrant a place on the list? Was there really that much of a commotion about it? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m surprised &amp;quot;G1 Bayformers&amp;quot;, aka Don Figueroa&#039;s new drawing style isn&#039;t on this list, given that almost every single opinion on it I found was a flame.....--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I loath it to the core of my petty, petty being... but i don&#039;t see it as something that will kill or taint the franchise.  Kiss-Player is still squicking people &#039;&#039;years&#039;&#039; later... the fact the Japanese owners basically licensed TF loli guro porn is something that genuinely shocks people and lessens their opinion of TF as a whole-- especially since it&#039;s not one of those &#039;worse than it sounds&#039; things, the closer you look, the more disturbing it actually gets.  An unpleasant art style inflicted on the comparatively small comic-book audience... just isn&#039;t in the same ballpark.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it&#039;s harmed &#039;&#039;IDW&#039;&#039;&#039;s Transformers brand equity... people seem a lot more skeptical and a lot more negative of editorially-generated jerking around of the TF brand, because they&#039;ve now repeatedly dumped directions they committed to in order to chase imaginary gains that never materialized-- apparently heedless of the negative baggage piled on the story in the process.  (One more major reset in pursuit of some sort of magical deckchair configuration the editors are convinced is more important than telling good stories... and I might as well be reading DC!)  But not the brand overall.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Not to get all chat roomy here, but... what he said.  Oh dear lord, WHAT HE SAID. (Derik, have you posted that sentiment to IDW&#039;s boards?) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How about that B.O.T episode==&lt;br /&gt;
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To many fans, it&#039;s considered to be the worst G1 episode ever, so I think it should be placed here. [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 17:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yea, but this isn&#039;t a list of what people just call &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; - it&#039;s a list of the things that threw the fandom into a colossal uproar and actually caused people to say Transformers was ruined forever, more for the fact that they were drastically or outlandishly new and different than for their actually being of poor quality. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Drift==&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn&#039;t we add [[Drift (G1)| this Mary Sue]] to Runied FOREVER? {{unsigned|24.62.9.241}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. He hasn&#039;t ruined anything forever. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:55, 17 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe you should read the page above before you add to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:02, 18 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A quick question (not about adding additional items)...==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think that a funnier name for &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; would be Bayformers Teen Titans? I ask because we&#039;ve got Bayformers and Teen Titans on the list, and Bayformers Animated kind of throws off the flow. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:To me at least, &amp;quot;Bayformers Animated&amp;quot; flows much better than &amp;quot;Bayformers Teen Titans&amp;quot;. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:04, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::A fair point. I meant it more in the manner of fitting with what else was in the article. Not a big deal either way, I suppose. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:12, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Parodies of this page in other media ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just in case you didn&#039;t noticed it, this page has been parodied several times and in different media:&lt;br /&gt;
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* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER (As noted, this wiki is the trope namer for &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224448/ruined-forever.aspx&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.helloweenboard.com/topic/4063-seven-sinner-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__336072&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47999&amp;amp;page=1&lt;br /&gt;
* http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warmachine/163237-blight-spreading-nites-cryx-blog.html#post1416664&lt;br /&gt;
* http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love how the Wookiepedia people completely missed the point. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::...their version seems basically the same sarcastic treatment as ours.  Are you reading a different page?  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They seemed a lot more concerned with insignificant detail than this wiki is. However, in retrospect, &amp;quot;completely missed the point&amp;quot; was a bit strong on my part. Maybe the Star Wars fandom is more temperamental than we are?  [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:49, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;MAYBE&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;, he says! :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:54, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Not really parodies, more just... versions. [[User:Esser-Z|Esser-Z]] 11:40, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:54, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Literal for once ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pat Lee. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:31, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Transformers survived him, so not really literally, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: The franchise as a whole, but not Dreamwave. Or his reputation. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:17, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Not the point of the page. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:20, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobots who didn&#039;t turn into cars ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/615489-what-characters-killed-g1.html Transformers was ruined FOREVER in 1985!] Seriously.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:TFW2005 ruined Transformers forever.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:07, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dark of the Moon ==&lt;br /&gt;
*The first and second movies by Michael bay are on the list, but why not the third. Lots of people complained about the third one. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 07:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Getting on this page takes more than simple complaints. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rescue Bots ==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose adding rescue bots to this list, only listed as rescue heroes, or Eureka. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 20:26, 26 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:...but it&#039;s universally beloved.  Surely no Transformers fan could hate &#039;&#039;fun&#039;&#039;?! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:51, 12 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::While I agree that in moderation fun is enjoyable, its creation did cause the standard &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; response that would deem it necessary to add to the page in the best interests of keeping an accurate database. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 18:29, 30 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...Which died down about a week later, with only the few stubborn mules of the fandom remaining intolerant of it. This list contains things that have had lasting backlash that ran deep. Rescue Bots never got such deep-filled hatred as the things covered by this list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:09, 1 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Windblade ==&lt;br /&gt;
Given the kerfuffle a certain segment of the fanbase made over Windblade, ahould she and/or her series be added to this list?  And if so, as what? [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 22:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is just me, but I&#039;d say we wait a bit more and see how her series  and its portrayal of her character are received first. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You know this fandom better than I do... I&#039;m not always active in forums or anything... so I&#039;ll defer to your judgement.  But from what I heard, the drama got really stupid at some points.  [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 21:45, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The loudmouths are a minority at this point, people are being really vocal about how much they&#039;re enjoying the book. People are being mixed about whether they like the writing or the art more, but in general I&#039;m seeing a favorable response to the art and an appreciation for its snappy writing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 22:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::IMO the drama was less to do with Windblade and more about the &amp;quot;brief conflict&amp;quot; between Scott and Furman referenced on &#039;&#039;Spotlight: Arcee&#039;&#039;&#039;s page - the worst criticism of Windblade I&#039;ve seen is that she&#039;s kinda dull so far (and that was from me). I remember Drift raising far more ire when he was introduced and Drift isn&#039;t listed here. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 02:58, 23 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That&#039;s because IDW shilled Drift as &amp;quot;super cool&amp;quot; and that he&#039;d be &amp;quot;their Wolverine&amp;quot;. Windblade, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t shilled as a super cool &amp;quot;Wolverine&amp;quot;, which is probably why she&#039;s been received better than Drift was.[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Japanese-exclusive G1/Modern-era Cartoons ==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering: is anyone willing to add The Headmasters and/or Transformers Go! in it? ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:33, 28th May 2014 (MYT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Given that they&#039;ve never been accused of Ruining Transformers Forever in any way... no. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:12, 27 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m under the impression that most of the things that were never translated and made widely agailable to the Enlish-speaking fandom just didn&#039;t make much of an impression on them beyond &amp;quot;Hey, that guy looks cool/lame&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Kiss Players&amp;quot; and the controversy it stirred up probably being the big exception), and that &amp;quot;Go!&amp;quot; in particular is not so much reviled as it is simply not noticed. And as I don&#039;t speak Japanese, I couldn&#039;t begin to speculate upon how something like &amp;quot;Beast Wars Neo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;15 Go! Go!&amp;quot; was recieved in its native land.--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 19:33, 5 July 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Masterpiece Star Saber&#039;s English-language bio for the Australian release ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, the nerdrage over a little bonus addition for a limited run official import of a Japanese toy that references established IDW fiction is &#039;&#039;amazing&#039;&#039;. If that bio doesn&#039;t ruin Transformers FOREVER, nothing can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 18:11, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:As always, my instinct in a situation like this is to wait for at least 3-4 months to see if there is widespread and sustained griping. Many people want to find a way to include, well, virtually everything on this page, and most TF franchises just don&#039;t get that level of sustained vitriol to warrant inclusion.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:20, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think we even need to be that conservative. Nobody is going to claim that one regional release of one toy has &#039;&#039;ruined the entire Transformers franchise&#039;&#039;. There&#039;s no new innovation or franchise re-invention going on here. It&#039;s just one bio on one toy and some people raging for a day or two.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I&#039;ve said before, RUINED FOREVER is not just &amp;quot;BUHR ME FAN HATE THING&amp;quot;. It&#039;s &amp;quot;This new and different thing means that Transformers cannot and will not ever be good again&amp;quot; (add &amp;quot;because new things are bad&amp;quot; as needed), followed by Transformers surviving, thriving, and continuing to be good. In this age of live action movies, there&#039;s not much left that can shake the franchise to its core like that. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== DOTM Soundwave and Wheeljack cancelled in USA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that ruined forever? Many fans compalined about them cancelled and how they got too many Bumblebees.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 06:43, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, that is not &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot;. Ruined Forever is large scale complaining about things that have supposedly irredeemably damaged the brand. And the complaining has to continue for a long period of time. Fans were upset about this, but it didn&#039;t drag on for years and years. Or even months and months. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:52, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Megatron ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alot of fans were really upset with Megatron joining the autobots...That can be considered as a `RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This doesn&#039;t sound like something that happened.  --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 18:13, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Megatron never joined the Autobots ([[Megatron (SG)|though there is a mirrorverse Megatron of course]]) but we don&#039;t talk about fanfics, only official fiction.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:34, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go read the IDW comics, it happened. Or wait for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Leader|this toy]]. But again, this is nowhere near the level of complaining that is necessary for Ruined Forever. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But what&#039;s wrong if Megatron is an Autobot? It&#039;s supposed to be nice because that means there are no Decepticons and no war.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 03:45, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Which would pretty much END the fiction. No conflict, no drama, no story.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the allinged continuity, he becomes an Autobot in the Beast Hunters Predicons Rising movie. [[User:Markatron|Markatron]] ([[User talk:Markatron|talk]]) 23:09, 1 August 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Radical Feminist SJWs&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we remove this entry from the list? It just seems like pointless flamebait to me- not to mention that in my experience, practically nobody believes that female Transformers &amp;quot;ruined&amp;quot; the brand. I mean, you have some people (including the mighty Simon Furman himself) who find the idea of gender in a race of robots kinda silly because, well, they&#039;re robots- an opinion I personally disagree with but still understand- but in all my time as a Transformers fan I&#039;ve never seen ANYONE having the sort of knee-jerk reaction to the existance of female Transformers that this entry is implying, even on the 4chan Transformers threads.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, quite aside from anything else, it&#039;s an open invitation for LOLDRAMA and not even that funny.[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* As far as I can tell, the only people who had trouble with it were the writers for some of the comics, under the justification that as automata, Transformers shouldn&#039;t have genders. That said, no one complained and after Arcee&#039;s head-turning introduction to the series, more of them showed up without incident, meaning either a shift in attitude or pressure from Hasbro.&lt;br /&gt;
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: So yeah, pretty much. Don&#039;t need it. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 14:44, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Nnnnnyeah, that one&#039;s staying.&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/125522205664&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/124075222269&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/122682384287&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/129784394268&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/128712971726&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/121195549217&lt;br /&gt;
There is literally an entire Tumblr dedicated to cataloging angry reactions to women in Transformers and how &amp;quot;social justice&amp;quot; is ruining it further.  Hundreds of entries.  If you missed all of it, then you&#039;re blessed! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:13, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I mean, seriously, this is one of the few entries on the page that can [http://fusion.net/story/182445/misogynistic-fans-cant-deal-with-the-new-female-transformers/ actually be supported by articles] [http://www.avclub.com/article/hasbro-declares-war-boys-announcing-female-transfo-218595 on non-Transformers websites].  It belongs on here more than most others, if this were a wiki which was going for any kind of Wikipedia-style notability.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:16, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Well, my day is ruined forever. I could seriously have gone my whole life without learning about this tumblr.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Meh, most of the posts linked in that Tumblr (or at least the ones you linked) seemed to be fairly reasonable, and far from the outright disgust that usually accompanies cries of &amp;quot;RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;. Heck, there were actually a few fairly valid points here and there amidst the &amp;quot;I disagree with the direction IDW is taking the franchise&amp;quot; posts (most notably that men might be better at managing/marketing a boy-oriented toyline, just as women might be better for girl-oriented toylines). Unless &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; now means &amp;quot;Not everyone agrees this is a 100% good thing&amp;quot; I still think it&#039;s a pretty petty, unnecessary addition to an otherwise decent article. Now if you want real Ruined Forever butthurt just look at the reactions to Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook and Blastoff-as-a-jet.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, you aren&#039;t helping your case any by linking to clickbait articles. C&#039;mon, we&#039;re better than this.--[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 17:08, 20 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:...wow. Now this entry is staying even more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:18, 20 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I beg your pardon? Is simply stating the fact that the cited sources did not display a particularly vicious level of backlash, especially compared to, say, the absolute atomic butthurt experienced by the fandom due to the existence of Alpha Bravo and the other CW newbies, now some kind of capital offence? I certainly don&#039;t think I said anything that even remotely deserved that level of condescension.--[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 17:44, 20 December 2015 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Regarding deletion==&lt;br /&gt;
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::JaAm has a page.  &#039;Ruined Forever&#039; is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is.  Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]].  (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...)  My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- &amp;quot;huh, why dont&#039; we have a page for that?&amp;quot;  (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murphy|Don Murray]] out of my brain.) &lt;br /&gt;
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide.  If a majority think it&#039;s not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I say it&#039;s as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber.  It&#039;s not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he&#039;s also got to sign my posts for me.  Damn that Derik.  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN.  --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I vote for keeping the page.  As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don&#039;t like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like &#039;&#039;Ruined FOREVER&#039;&#039;, [[Furmanism]], and Chewed caramels be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005&#039;s &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of &#039;dull surprise&#039; until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nor I.  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;re just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are &#039;about&#039; a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it.  Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave&#039;s style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels &#039;&#039;seems&#039;&#039; to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1&#039;s design aesthetic.  I doubt anyone put &#039;&#039;conscious thought&#039;&#039; into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren&#039;t &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; about the phrase- they&#039;re about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.&lt;br /&gt;
::(I&#039;m not familiar with &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that.  I also don&#039;t know &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot; but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP]. &lt;br /&gt;
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::::Actually, Steve-o, I&#039;d say &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one.  Having never heard of &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot;, and seeing that few others apparently have either, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s as much a meme as &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime&#039;s minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed.  The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&amp;amp;st=20&amp;amp;p=551756&amp;amp;#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually.  Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex&lt;br /&gt;
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Usage==&lt;br /&gt;
Has &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I&#039;m not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m sure something very similar, at least, has been used.  But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what&#039;s the problem?  Can you recommend a better title for the article?  Or are you saying the article shouldn&#039;t exist at all?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I (and a number of others) used to think &amp;quot;Rapeing my childood&amp;quot; was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It&#039;s still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The &#039;&#039;&#039;scream your head off in outraged panic&#039;&#039;&#039; / &#039;&#039;&#039;call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the &amp;quot;sky is falling&amp;quot; aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer &#039;&#039;number&#039;&#039; of times fans have declared TF ruined forever.  (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)&lt;br /&gt;
:If you have some other title you&#039;d prefer for this article like &#039;Clicken-Little Syndrome&#039; by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.&lt;br /&gt;
:And frankly, while the &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; itself is worthy of ridicule, the &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda &#039;&#039;endearing&#039;&#039; and speaks well of fans.  At least their &#039;&#039;hearts&#039;&#039; are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Paul Dini==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini &#039;&#039;the writer&#039;&#039; being used for Animated will &amp;quot;RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER&amp;quot; is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I&#039;ve never seen any individual display the idiocy we&#039;re accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I have.&lt;br /&gt;
Scary, scary stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a &amp;quot;general hasbro idiocy&amp;quot; linking to &amp;quot;transformers&amp;quot; or somesuch?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Marked for deletion.==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is getting out of hand.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now.  As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article.  While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor &amp;quot;friend&amp;quot; decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer.  This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive &#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039; negative about Transformers itself at all.  Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.&lt;br /&gt;
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By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar.  Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree. I didn&#039;t feel this article was necessary, and I still don&#039;t. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn&#039;t belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister &amp;quot;integrity of the characters&amp;quot; is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m putting in a vote for keeping it. It&#039;s a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it&#039;s wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think it should stay, it&#039;s funny.  Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I would keep it.  I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown.  [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude.  I&#039;ve fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors.  If you&#039;re gonna get in a pissy editing war, we&#039;d damn well better know who you are.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; article is stupid and don&#039;t make any sense. Its just shit&lt;br /&gt;
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: [[Seafood Louis]].  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike &#039;ruined it permanently&#039; so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, &#039;ok, well maybe I&#039;m over-reacting.&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Well said, citizen.  [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, you&#039;ve cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate.  And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom&#039;s reactionary past.&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It&#039;s inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn&#039;t that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.&lt;br /&gt;
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(and that aside, I just think it&#039;s really, really funny)&lt;br /&gt;
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.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That&#039;s me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Where do we draw the line?==&lt;br /&gt;
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever?  Why, for instance, is &#039;&#039;The Beast Within&#039;&#039; in there?  Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; than We&#039;ve, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to &#039;&#039;twice&#039;&#039; that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.  &lt;br /&gt;
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they&#039;re canon.  Also, it was the reason for the article&#039;s creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Why wait?  If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to &amp;quot;Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay,&amp;quot; and perhaps a few others, right now.  Then a &amp;quot;Trivia&amp;quot; note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever.  Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I&#039;ve seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, Thy, I&#039;d append your list with a general &amp;quot;*-masters&amp;quot; thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever&#039;s listed here should have a certain &amp;quot;endurance&amp;quot; as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? &amp;quot;* Masters&amp;quot; certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&amp;amp;start=10&amp;amp;sa=N&amp;amp;scoring=d&amp;amp;ie=utf-8&amp;amp;oe=utf-8&amp;amp;|&amp;quot;killed transformers&amp;quot;] ain&#039;t enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I doubt I&#039;d get objections if I added it, but I&#039;d like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;such a dramatic departure.&#039;&#039;&#039; Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering &amp;quot;My god... they&#039;ve finally done it. It&#039;s ruined...&amp;quot; --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You&#039;re missing the point of the article, then.  The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it&#039;s usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Last Deletion Locked in?==&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked.  Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There are two facets to this.  First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow.  Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back.  Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.&lt;br /&gt;
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; concept.  &amp;quot;Runined forever&amp;quot; is a cry that springs up whenever &#039;&#039;something new is added to the Transformers brand&#039;&#039; by HasTak, and it happens every single time.  Thus, the fans &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; ruin TF forver, because they don&#039;t add new canon.  And, while HasTak &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; ruin TF forever, it&#039;s because they&#039;re the only ones who can do so.  I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Fair enough, I suppose.  It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor.  Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible.  [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Masters of the Universe link==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line&#039;s failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel&#039;s &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; as the reason for the line&#039;s failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article.  (Hint: It wasn&#039;t kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: The fact is the line failed, no one can say *exactly* why. There are reasons for both oppinions. &lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn&#039;t reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more &amp;quot;realisticly&amp;quot;. In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of &#039;80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with &#039;&#039;&#039;actual kids&#039;&#039;&#039; in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line&#039;s failure on the older fan mentality.&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Also Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn&#039;t get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line&#039;s failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of &amp;quot;samori repaints on stilts&amp;quot; is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line&#039;s retail appeal. &lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally I think there&#039;s some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, &#039;&#039;&#039;AND&#039;&#039;&#039; the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to &#039;blame&#039;, and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it&#039;s not a clear cut case of &#039;it&#039;s all the collectors fault&#039;. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hrm, there&#039;s some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison.  (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou&#039;re not bringing new fans in.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it&#039;s worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren&#039;t watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Here&#039;s an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it&#039;s more balanced, so we don&#039;t end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s worth noting that even in today&#039;s environment, the military has &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it&#039;s very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the &amp;quot;big&amp;quot; Joe revival frankly isn&#039;t very big. It&#039;s pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I&#039;d also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro&#039;s bookkeeping. They&#039;ve done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they&#039;re doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn&#039;t available here, because Hasbro AU&#039;s last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I&#039;ve read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They&#039;re not on pegs anymore, so I guess they&#039;ve been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s always going to, because there will always, &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman &amp;quot;CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!&amp;quot; (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can&#039;t sell your &#039;&#039;two primary characters in the line&#039;&#039;, maybe there&#039;s something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it&#039;d be like if a Batman line couldn&#039;t sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU&#039;s failure. Frankly, I&#039;d say just add a note to OUR article saying &amp;quot;ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn&#039;t want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini.&amp;quot; --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line &amp;quot;catered exclusively to older collectors&amp;quot; and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I&#039;d say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-&#039;&#039;&#039;Edit:&#039;&#039;&#039; On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::And this is my point - we&#039;ll start looking like idiots who can&#039;t even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I see Zac&#039;s point- but I think he&#039;s reacting to something that&#039;s not in the article.  We&#039;re holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention.  Since there &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.  &lt;br /&gt;
:::We do not say that this is &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; the line failed.  It probably &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;, but we don&#039;t say that.  We merely hold it up as an apporach that&#039;s probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
:::So to be really blunt-- I don&#039;t care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was.  &#039;&#039;&#039;A)&#039;&#039;&#039; That&#039;s masturbatory.  &#039;&#039;&#039;B)&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s not what this article is talking about, so it&#039;s simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But it says &#039;cater exclusively to the old-school collectors&#039;, which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it&#039;s not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::In this context, that &#039;catering&#039; refers to design, not case assortments.  We&#039;re discussing &#039;&#039;reinvention&#039;&#039;.  One does not &#039;reinvent&#039; case assortments!  And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::More to the point- we&#039;re discussing changign the content on &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something &#039;&#039;we&#039;re not even saying here&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this.  But we&#039;re not!  We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article &#039;&#039;doesn&#039;t&#039;&#039; say, but which &#039;might run through that same fanboy&#039;s mind as they read our article.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::While &#039;&#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039;&#039; clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best &#039;&#039;&#039;it doesn&#039;t matter&#039;&#039;&#039;.  We say it catered to collectors.  That&#039;s it!  &#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.&#039;&#039;&#039; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is The [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] series, the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]], and [[Exclusive]]s listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It&#039;s satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding to the list ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Cliff Notes version: there&#039;s very little reason to.&lt;br /&gt;
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The full version: Contrary to what [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER many people think], this is not a list of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER everything Transformers ever].  It is not even a list of everything Transformers that fans have ever complained about.  It is a list of the relative handful of times that something ground-shaking and new has come along, something totally different from what&#039;s gone before, something that&#039;s not exactly like 1984, that causes people to complain that Transformers has irrevocably jumped the shark and begun sinking into an irreversible oblivion.  All this doomsaying is then typically followed by the franchise surging back to life as the awful horrible new thing turns out to be a smashing success.  Alternately, the horrible new thing quietly fades away while the franchise chugs along to the next new thing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thing is, anybody who&#039;s stuck with Transformers to this point is used to these reinventions.  Perspective has grown long enough that plenty of fans now understand that anything they don&#039;t like will be gone in a year or two.  Maybe I&#039;m biased &#039;cause I only read the Allspark boards and they&#039;re fairly intelligent, but cries of RUINED FOREVER are increasingly rare these days. &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why Drift is on the list.  Plenty of people think he sucks, but nobody&#039;s claiming he&#039;s going to bring down the whole franchise.  &#039;&#039;All Hail Megatron&#039;&#039; would be a better candidate, because people (including myself!) &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; claiming that IDW&#039;s whole storyline has been permanently destroyed by it.  (You could also make a case for &#039;&#039;Energon&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;bad anime&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;Prime Directive&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;MATURE ADULT XXX&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Buckets of Blood&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Pat Lee&amp;quot;), and/or Dreamwave (&amp;quot;The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Superstars&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Bankruptcy&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why stolen prototypes are on the list.  Yeah, some of us make a fuss over them.  Y&#039;know why?  Because HASBRO THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY ARE A THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS.  There&#039;s no ridiculously overblown grasping-at-straws fandom absurdity to mock here.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I&#039;d need to see a LOT of linked posts before I&#039;d accept ROTF on the list.  I can&#039;t fathom someone having complaints about ROTF that didn&#039;t also apply to the first movie. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:10, 25 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are new complaints about ROTF - about [[Mudflap (ROTF)|these]] [[Skids (ROTF)|two]].--[[Special:Contributions/172.162.17.159|172.162.17.159]] 08:34, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Repowers 100%.  If anything, I think the list could use some trimming.  Are people complaining about the Twins? Sure! Is ANYONE saying that Transformers, as a franchise, is over/tainted? Umm ... not that I&#039;ve heard.  Certainly no substantial block of the fandom.  &lt;br /&gt;
::And stolen prototypes, while I DO think people make a somewhat biggish deal about them, don&#039;t really belong on the list either.  A: as Repowers points out, Hasbro itself has legitimized the concern.  B: people getting annoyed about something is NOT the same as saying that the Transformers brand is beyond recovery.  Hell, even AHM seems like a stretch.  I think that most of the fandom has gained enough hindsight to know that, at worst, AHM represents a change in direction for *IDW&#039;S* story, but certainly not the end of Transformers as we know it.  Hell, ROTF and Animated were contemporary, and both were tremendous successes.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure we we can&#039;t have Energon on this list, seeing all the complaints on this very wiki, but, eh.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 08:00, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I disagree. I&#039;ve read on here that people LIKED it at first, but eventually lost faith/the will to live after watching it. The list chronicles the events which work the OTHER way around. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 09:07, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I&#039;d say the list has nothing to do with how good something is, but more with complaints from the fandom and especially even before the thing in question has been released. Having said that, does RiD really warrant a place on the list? Was there really that much of a commotion about it? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m surprised &amp;quot;G1 Bayformers&amp;quot;, aka Don Figueroa&#039;s new drawing style isn&#039;t on this list, given that almost every single opinion on it I found was a flame.....--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I loath it to the core of my petty, petty being... but i don&#039;t see it as something that will kill or taint the franchise.  Kiss-Player is still squicking people &#039;&#039;years&#039;&#039; later... the fact the Japanese owners basically licensed TF loli guro porn is something that genuinely shocks people and lessens their opinion of TF as a whole-- especially since it&#039;s not one of those &#039;worse than it sounds&#039; things, the closer you look, the more disturbing it actually gets.  An unpleasant art style inflicted on the comparatively small comic-book audience... just isn&#039;t in the same ballpark.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it&#039;s harmed &#039;&#039;IDW&#039;&#039;&#039;s Transformers brand equity... people seem a lot more skeptical and a lot more negative of editorially-generated jerking around of the TF brand, because they&#039;ve now repeatedly dumped directions they committed to in order to chase imaginary gains that never materialized-- apparently heedless of the negative baggage piled on the story in the process.  (One more major reset in pursuit of some sort of magical deckchair configuration the editors are convinced is more important than telling good stories... and I might as well be reading DC!)  But not the brand overall.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Not to get all chat roomy here, but... what he said.  Oh dear lord, WHAT HE SAID. (Derik, have you posted that sentiment to IDW&#039;s boards?) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How about that B.O.T episode==&lt;br /&gt;
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To many fans, it&#039;s considered to be the worst G1 episode ever, so I think it should be placed here. [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 17:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yea, but this isn&#039;t a list of what people just call &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; - it&#039;s a list of the things that threw the fandom into a colossal uproar and actually caused people to say Transformers was ruined forever, more for the fact that they were drastically or outlandishly new and different than for their actually being of poor quality. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Drift==&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn&#039;t we add [[Drift (G1)| this Mary Sue]] to Runied FOREVER? {{unsigned|24.62.9.241}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. He hasn&#039;t ruined anything forever. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:55, 17 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe you should read the page above before you add to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:02, 18 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think that a funnier name for &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; would be Bayformers Teen Titans? I ask because we&#039;ve got Bayformers and Teen Titans on the list, and Bayformers Animated kind of throws off the flow. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:To me at least, &amp;quot;Bayformers Animated&amp;quot; flows much better than &amp;quot;Bayformers Teen Titans&amp;quot;. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:04, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::A fair point. I meant it more in the manner of fitting with what else was in the article. Not a big deal either way, I suppose. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:12, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Parodies of this page in other media ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just in case you didn&#039;t noticed it, this page has been parodied several times and in different media:&lt;br /&gt;
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* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER (As noted, this wiki is the trope namer for &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224448/ruined-forever.aspx&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.helloweenboard.com/topic/4063-seven-sinner-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__336072&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47999&amp;amp;page=1&lt;br /&gt;
* http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warmachine/163237-blight-spreading-nites-cryx-blog.html#post1416664&lt;br /&gt;
* http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love how the Wookiepedia people completely missed the point. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::...their version seems basically the same sarcastic treatment as ours.  Are you reading a different page?  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They seemed a lot more concerned with insignificant detail than this wiki is. However, in retrospect, &amp;quot;completely missed the point&amp;quot; was a bit strong on my part. Maybe the Star Wars fandom is more temperamental than we are?  [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:49, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;MAYBE&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;, he says! :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:54, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Not really parodies, more just... versions. [[User:Esser-Z|Esser-Z]] 11:40, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:54, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Literal for once ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pat Lee. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:31, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Transformers survived him, so not really literally, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: The franchise as a whole, but not Dreamwave. Or his reputation. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:17, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Not the point of the page. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:20, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobots who didn&#039;t turn into cars ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/615489-what-characters-killed-g1.html Transformers was ruined FOREVER in 1985!] Seriously.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:TFW2005 ruined Transformers forever.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:07, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dark of the Moon ==&lt;br /&gt;
*The first and second movies by Michael bay are on the list, but why not the third. Lots of people complained about the third one. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 07:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Getting on this page takes more than simple complaints. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rescue Bots ==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose adding rescue bots to this list, only listed as rescue heroes, or Eureka. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 20:26, 26 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:...but it&#039;s universally beloved.  Surely no Transformers fan could hate &#039;&#039;fun&#039;&#039;?! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:51, 12 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::While I agree that in moderation fun is enjoyable, its creation did cause the standard &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; response that would deem it necessary to add to the page in the best interests of keeping an accurate database. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 18:29, 30 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...Which died down about a week later, with only the few stubborn mules of the fandom remaining intolerant of it. This list contains things that have had lasting backlash that ran deep. Rescue Bots never got such deep-filled hatred as the things covered by this list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:09, 1 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Windblade ==&lt;br /&gt;
Given the kerfuffle a certain segment of the fanbase made over Windblade, ahould she and/or her series be added to this list?  And if so, as what? [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 22:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is just me, but I&#039;d say we wait a bit more and see how her series  and its portrayal of her character are received first. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You know this fandom better than I do... I&#039;m not always active in forums or anything... so I&#039;ll defer to your judgement.  But from what I heard, the drama got really stupid at some points.  [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 21:45, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The loudmouths are a minority at this point, people are being really vocal about how much they&#039;re enjoying the book. People are being mixed about whether they like the writing or the art more, but in general I&#039;m seeing a favorable response to the art and an appreciation for its snappy writing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 22:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::IMO the drama was less to do with Windblade and more about the &amp;quot;brief conflict&amp;quot; between Scott and Furman referenced on &#039;&#039;Spotlight: Arcee&#039;&#039;&#039;s page - the worst criticism of Windblade I&#039;ve seen is that she&#039;s kinda dull so far (and that was from me). I remember Drift raising far more ire when he was introduced and Drift isn&#039;t listed here. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 02:58, 23 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That&#039;s because IDW shilled Drift as &amp;quot;super cool&amp;quot; and that he&#039;d be &amp;quot;their Wolverine&amp;quot;. Windblade, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t shilled as a super cool &amp;quot;Wolverine&amp;quot;, which is probably why she&#039;s been received better than Drift was.[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Japanese-exclusive G1/Modern-era Cartoons ==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering: is anyone willing to add The Headmasters and/or Transformers Go! in it? ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:33, 28th May 2014 (MYT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Given that they&#039;ve never been accused of Ruining Transformers Forever in any way... no. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:12, 27 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m under the impression that most of the things that were never translated and made widely agailable to the Enlish-speaking fandom just didn&#039;t make much of an impression on them beyond &amp;quot;Hey, that guy looks cool/lame&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Kiss Players&amp;quot; and the controversy it stirred up probably being the big exception), and that &amp;quot;Go!&amp;quot; in particular is not so much reviled as it is simply not noticed. And as I don&#039;t speak Japanese, I couldn&#039;t begin to speculate upon how something like &amp;quot;Beast Wars Neo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;15 Go! Go!&amp;quot; was recieved in its native land.--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 19:33, 5 July 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Masterpiece Star Saber&#039;s English-language bio for the Australian release ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, the nerdrage over a little bonus addition for a limited run official import of a Japanese toy that references established IDW fiction is &#039;&#039;amazing&#039;&#039;. If that bio doesn&#039;t ruin Transformers FOREVER, nothing can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 18:11, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:As always, my instinct in a situation like this is to wait for at least 3-4 months to see if there is widespread and sustained griping. Many people want to find a way to include, well, virtually everything on this page, and most TF franchises just don&#039;t get that level of sustained vitriol to warrant inclusion.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:20, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think we even need to be that conservative. Nobody is going to claim that one regional release of one toy has &#039;&#039;ruined the entire Transformers franchise&#039;&#039;. There&#039;s no new innovation or franchise re-invention going on here. It&#039;s just one bio on one toy and some people raging for a day or two.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I&#039;ve said before, RUINED FOREVER is not just &amp;quot;BUHR ME FAN HATE THING&amp;quot;. It&#039;s &amp;quot;This new and different thing means that Transformers cannot and will not ever be good again&amp;quot; (add &amp;quot;because new things are bad&amp;quot; as needed), followed by Transformers surviving, thriving, and continuing to be good. In this age of live action movies, there&#039;s not much left that can shake the franchise to its core like that. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== DOTM Soundwave and Wheeljack cancelled in USA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that ruined forever? Many fans compalined about them cancelled and how they got too many Bumblebees.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 06:43, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, that is not &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot;. Ruined Forever is large scale complaining about things that have supposedly irredeemably damaged the brand. And the complaining has to continue for a long period of time. Fans were upset about this, but it didn&#039;t drag on for years and years. Or even months and months. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:52, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Megatron ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alot of fans were really upset with Megatron joining the autobots...That can be considered as a `RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This doesn&#039;t sound like something that happened.  --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 18:13, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Megatron never joined the Autobots ([[Megatron (SG)|though there is a mirrorverse Megatron of course]]) but we don&#039;t talk about fanfics, only official fiction.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:34, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go read the IDW comics, it happened. Or wait for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Leader|this toy]]. But again, this is nowhere near the level of complaining that is necessary for Ruined Forever. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But what&#039;s wrong if Megatron is an Autobot? It&#039;s supposed to be nice because that means there are no Decepticons and no war.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 03:45, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Which would pretty much END the fiction. No conflict, no drama, no story.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the allinged continuity, he becomes an Autobot in the Beast Hunters Predicons Rising movie. [[User:Markatron|Markatron]] ([[User talk:Markatron|talk]]) 23:09, 1 August 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Radical Feminist SJWs&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we remove this entry from the list? It just seems like pointless flamebait to me- not to mention that in my experience, practically nobody believes that female Transformers &amp;quot;ruined&amp;quot; the brand. I mean, you have some people (including the mighty Simon Furman himself) who find the idea of gender in a race of robots kinda silly because, well, they&#039;re robots- an opinion I personally disagree with but still understand- but in all my time as a Transformers fan I&#039;ve never seen ANYONE having the sort of knee-jerk reaction to the existance of female Transformers that this entry is implying, even on the 4chan Transformers threads.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, quite aside from anything else, it&#039;s an open invitation for LOLDRAMA and not even that funny.[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* As far as I can tell, the only people who had trouble with it were the writers for some of the comics, under the justification that as automata, Transformers shouldn&#039;t have genders. That said, no one complained and after Arcee&#039;s head-turning introduction to the series, more of them showed up without incident, meaning either a shift in attitude or pressure from Hasbro.&lt;br /&gt;
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: So yeah, pretty much. Don&#039;t need it. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 14:44, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Nnnnnyeah, that one&#039;s staying.&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/125522205664&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/124075222269&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/122682384287&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/129784394268&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/128712971726&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/121195549217&lt;br /&gt;
There is literally an entire Tumblr dedicated to cataloging angry reactions to women in Transformers and how &amp;quot;social justice&amp;quot; is ruining it further.  Hundreds of entries.  If you missed all of it, then you&#039;re blessed! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:13, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I mean, seriously, this is one of the few entries on the page that can [http://fusion.net/story/182445/misogynistic-fans-cant-deal-with-the-new-female-transformers/ actually be supported by articles] [http://www.avclub.com/article/hasbro-declares-war-boys-announcing-female-transfo-218595 on non-Transformers websites].  It belongs on here more than most others, if this were a wiki which was going for any kind of Wikipedia-style notability.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:16, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Well, my day is ruined forever. I could seriously have gone my whole life without learning about this tumblr.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Meh, most of the posts linked in that Tumblr (or at least the ones you linked) seemed to be fairly reasonable, and far from the outright disgust that usually accompanies cries of &amp;quot;RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;. Heck, there were actually a few fairly valid points here and there amidst the &amp;quot;I disagree with the direction IDW is taking the franchise&amp;quot; posts (most notably that men might be better at managing/marketing a boy-oriented toyline, just as women might be better for girl-oriented toylines). Unless &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; now means &amp;quot;Not everyone agrees this is a 100% good thing&amp;quot; I still think it&#039;s a pretty petty, unnecessary addition to an otherwise decent article. Now if you want real Ruined Forever butthurt just look at the reactions to Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook and Blastoff-as-a-jet.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, you aren&#039;t helping your case any by linking to clickbait articles. C&#039;mon, we&#039;re better than this.--[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 17:08, 20 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:...wow. Now this entry is staying even more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:18, 20 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
I beg your pardon? Is simply stating the fact that the cited sources did not display a particularly vicious level of backlash, especially compared to, say, the absolute atomic butthurt experienced by the fandom due to the existence of Alpha Bravo and the other CW newbies, now some kind of capital offence? I certainly don&#039;t think I said anything that even remotely deserved that level of condescension.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Regarding deletion==&lt;br /&gt;
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::JaAm has a page.  &#039;Ruined Forever&#039; is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is.  Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]].  (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...)  My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- &amp;quot;huh, why dont&#039; we have a page for that?&amp;quot;  (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murphy|Don Murray]] out of my brain.) &lt;br /&gt;
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide.  If a majority think it&#039;s not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I say it&#039;s as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber.  It&#039;s not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he&#039;s also got to sign my posts for me.  Damn that Derik.  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN.  --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I vote for keeping the page.  As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don&#039;t like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like &#039;&#039;Ruined FOREVER&#039;&#039;, [[Furmanism]], and Chewed caramels be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005&#039;s &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of &#039;dull surprise&#039; until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nor I.  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;re just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are &#039;about&#039; a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it.  Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave&#039;s style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels &#039;&#039;seems&#039;&#039; to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1&#039;s design aesthetic.  I doubt anyone put &#039;&#039;conscious thought&#039;&#039; into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren&#039;t &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; about the phrase- they&#039;re about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.&lt;br /&gt;
::(I&#039;m not familiar with &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that.  I also don&#039;t know &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot; but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP]. &lt;br /&gt;
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::::Actually, Steve-o, I&#039;d say &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one.  Having never heard of &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot;, and seeing that few others apparently have either, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s as much a meme as &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime&#039;s minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed.  The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&amp;amp;st=20&amp;amp;p=551756&amp;amp;#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually.  Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex&lt;br /&gt;
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Usage==&lt;br /&gt;
Has &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I&#039;m not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m sure something very similar, at least, has been used.  But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what&#039;s the problem?  Can you recommend a better title for the article?  Or are you saying the article shouldn&#039;t exist at all?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I (and a number of others) used to think &amp;quot;Rapeing my childood&amp;quot; was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It&#039;s still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The &#039;&#039;&#039;scream your head off in outraged panic&#039;&#039;&#039; / &#039;&#039;&#039;call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the &amp;quot;sky is falling&amp;quot; aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer &#039;&#039;number&#039;&#039; of times fans have declared TF ruined forever.  (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)&lt;br /&gt;
:If you have some other title you&#039;d prefer for this article like &#039;Clicken-Little Syndrome&#039; by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.&lt;br /&gt;
:And frankly, while the &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; itself is worthy of ridicule, the &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda &#039;&#039;endearing&#039;&#039; and speaks well of fans.  At least their &#039;&#039;hearts&#039;&#039; are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Paul Dini==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini &#039;&#039;the writer&#039;&#039; being used for Animated will &amp;quot;RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER&amp;quot; is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I&#039;ve never seen any individual display the idiocy we&#039;re accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Scary, scary stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a &amp;quot;general hasbro idiocy&amp;quot; linking to &amp;quot;transformers&amp;quot; or somesuch?&lt;br /&gt;
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This is getting out of hand.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now.  As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article.  While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor &amp;quot;friend&amp;quot; decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer.  This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive &#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039; negative about Transformers itself at all.  Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.&lt;br /&gt;
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By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar.  Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree. I didn&#039;t feel this article was necessary, and I still don&#039;t. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn&#039;t belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister &amp;quot;integrity of the characters&amp;quot; is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m putting in a vote for keeping it. It&#039;s a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it&#039;s wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think it should stay, it&#039;s funny.  Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I would keep it.  I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown.  [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude.  I&#039;ve fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors.  If you&#039;re gonna get in a pissy editing war, we&#039;d damn well better know who you are.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; article is stupid and don&#039;t make any sense. Its just shit&lt;br /&gt;
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: [[Seafood Louis]].  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike &#039;ruined it permanently&#039; so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, &#039;ok, well maybe I&#039;m over-reacting.&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Well said, citizen.  [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, you&#039;ve cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate.  And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom&#039;s reactionary past.&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It&#039;s inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn&#039;t that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.&lt;br /&gt;
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(and that aside, I just think it&#039;s really, really funny)&lt;br /&gt;
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.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That&#039;s me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Where do we draw the line?==&lt;br /&gt;
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever?  Why, for instance, is &#039;&#039;The Beast Within&#039;&#039; in there?  Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; than We&#039;ve, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to &#039;&#039;twice&#039;&#039; that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.  &lt;br /&gt;
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they&#039;re canon.  Also, it was the reason for the article&#039;s creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Why wait?  If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to &amp;quot;Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay,&amp;quot; and perhaps a few others, right now.  Then a &amp;quot;Trivia&amp;quot; note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever.  Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I&#039;ve seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, Thy, I&#039;d append your list with a general &amp;quot;*-masters&amp;quot; thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever&#039;s listed here should have a certain &amp;quot;endurance&amp;quot; as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? &amp;quot;* Masters&amp;quot; certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&amp;amp;start=10&amp;amp;sa=N&amp;amp;scoring=d&amp;amp;ie=utf-8&amp;amp;oe=utf-8&amp;amp;|&amp;quot;killed transformers&amp;quot;] ain&#039;t enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I doubt I&#039;d get objections if I added it, but I&#039;d like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;such a dramatic departure.&#039;&#039;&#039; Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering &amp;quot;My god... they&#039;ve finally done it. It&#039;s ruined...&amp;quot; --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You&#039;re missing the point of the article, then.  The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it&#039;s usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Last Deletion Locked in?==&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked.  Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There are two facets to this.  First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow.  Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back.  Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.&lt;br /&gt;
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; concept.  &amp;quot;Runined forever&amp;quot; is a cry that springs up whenever &#039;&#039;something new is added to the Transformers brand&#039;&#039; by HasTak, and it happens every single time.  Thus, the fans &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; ruin TF forver, because they don&#039;t add new canon.  And, while HasTak &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; ruin TF forever, it&#039;s because they&#039;re the only ones who can do so.  I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Fair enough, I suppose.  It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor.  Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible.  [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Masters of the Universe link==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line&#039;s failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel&#039;s &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; as the reason for the line&#039;s failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article.  (Hint: It wasn&#039;t kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn&#039;t reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more &amp;quot;realisticly&amp;quot;. In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of &#039;80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with &#039;&#039;&#039;actual kids&#039;&#039;&#039; in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line&#039;s failure on the older fan mentality.&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Also Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn&#039;t get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line&#039;s failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of &amp;quot;samori repaints on stilts&amp;quot; is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line&#039;s retail appeal. &lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally I think there&#039;s some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, &#039;&#039;&#039;AND&#039;&#039;&#039; the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to &#039;blame&#039;, and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it&#039;s not a clear cut case of &#039;it&#039;s all the collectors fault&#039;. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hrm, there&#039;s some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison.  (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou&#039;re not bringing new fans in.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it&#039;s worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren&#039;t watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Here&#039;s an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it&#039;s more balanced, so we don&#039;t end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s worth noting that even in today&#039;s environment, the military has &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it&#039;s very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the &amp;quot;big&amp;quot; Joe revival frankly isn&#039;t very big. It&#039;s pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I&#039;d also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro&#039;s bookkeeping. They&#039;ve done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they&#039;re doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn&#039;t available here, because Hasbro AU&#039;s last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I&#039;ve read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They&#039;re not on pegs anymore, so I guess they&#039;ve been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s always going to, because there will always, &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman &amp;quot;CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!&amp;quot; (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can&#039;t sell your &#039;&#039;two primary characters in the line&#039;&#039;, maybe there&#039;s something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it&#039;d be like if a Batman line couldn&#039;t sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU&#039;s failure. Frankly, I&#039;d say just add a note to OUR article saying &amp;quot;ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn&#039;t want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini.&amp;quot; --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line &amp;quot;catered exclusively to older collectors&amp;quot; and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I&#039;d say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-&#039;&#039;&#039;Edit:&#039;&#039;&#039; On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::And this is my point - we&#039;ll start looking like idiots who can&#039;t even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I see Zac&#039;s point- but I think he&#039;s reacting to something that&#039;s not in the article.  We&#039;re holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention.  Since there &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.  &lt;br /&gt;
:::We do not say that this is &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; the line failed.  It probably &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;, but we don&#039;t say that.  We merely hold it up as an apporach that&#039;s probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
:::So to be really blunt-- I don&#039;t care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was.  &#039;&#039;&#039;A)&#039;&#039;&#039; That&#039;s masturbatory.  &#039;&#039;&#039;B)&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s not what this article is talking about, so it&#039;s simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But it says &#039;cater exclusively to the old-school collectors&#039;, which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it&#039;s not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::In this context, that &#039;catering&#039; refers to design, not case assortments.  We&#039;re discussing &#039;&#039;reinvention&#039;&#039;.  One does not &#039;reinvent&#039; case assortments!  And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::More to the point- we&#039;re discussing changign the content on &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something &#039;&#039;we&#039;re not even saying here&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this.  But we&#039;re not!  We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article &#039;&#039;doesn&#039;t&#039;&#039; say, but which &#039;might run through that same fanboy&#039;s mind as they read our article.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::While &#039;&#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039;&#039; clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best &#039;&#039;&#039;it doesn&#039;t matter&#039;&#039;&#039;.  We say it catered to collectors.  That&#039;s it!  &#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.&#039;&#039;&#039; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is The [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] series, the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]], and [[Exclusive]]s listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It&#039;s satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The full version: Contrary to what [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER many people think], this is not a list of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER everything Transformers ever].  It is not even a list of everything Transformers that fans have ever complained about.  It is a list of the relative handful of times that something ground-shaking and new has come along, something totally different from what&#039;s gone before, something that&#039;s not exactly like 1984, that causes people to complain that Transformers has irrevocably jumped the shark and begun sinking into an irreversible oblivion.  All this doomsaying is then typically followed by the franchise surging back to life as the awful horrible new thing turns out to be a smashing success.  Alternately, the horrible new thing quietly fades away while the franchise chugs along to the next new thing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thing is, anybody who&#039;s stuck with Transformers to this point is used to these reinventions.  Perspective has grown long enough that plenty of fans now understand that anything they don&#039;t like will be gone in a year or two.  Maybe I&#039;m biased &#039;cause I only read the Allspark boards and they&#039;re fairly intelligent, but cries of RUINED FOREVER are increasingly rare these days. &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why Drift is on the list.  Plenty of people think he sucks, but nobody&#039;s claiming he&#039;s going to bring down the whole franchise.  &#039;&#039;All Hail Megatron&#039;&#039; would be a better candidate, because people (including myself!) &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; claiming that IDW&#039;s whole storyline has been permanently destroyed by it.  (You could also make a case for &#039;&#039;Energon&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;bad anime&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;Prime Directive&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;MATURE ADULT XXX&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Buckets of Blood&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Pat Lee&amp;quot;), and/or Dreamwave (&amp;quot;The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Superstars&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Bankruptcy&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why stolen prototypes are on the list.  Yeah, some of us make a fuss over them.  Y&#039;know why?  Because HASBRO THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY ARE A THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS.  There&#039;s no ridiculously overblown grasping-at-straws fandom absurdity to mock here.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I&#039;d need to see a LOT of linked posts before I&#039;d accept ROTF on the list.  I can&#039;t fathom someone having complaints about ROTF that didn&#039;t also apply to the first movie. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:10, 25 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are new complaints about ROTF - about [[Mudflap (ROTF)|these]] [[Skids (ROTF)|two]].--[[Special:Contributions/172.162.17.159|172.162.17.159]] 08:34, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Repowers 100%.  If anything, I think the list could use some trimming.  Are people complaining about the Twins? Sure! Is ANYONE saying that Transformers, as a franchise, is over/tainted? Umm ... not that I&#039;ve heard.  Certainly no substantial block of the fandom.  &lt;br /&gt;
::And stolen prototypes, while I DO think people make a somewhat biggish deal about them, don&#039;t really belong on the list either.  A: as Repowers points out, Hasbro itself has legitimized the concern.  B: people getting annoyed about something is NOT the same as saying that the Transformers brand is beyond recovery.  Hell, even AHM seems like a stretch.  I think that most of the fandom has gained enough hindsight to know that, at worst, AHM represents a change in direction for *IDW&#039;S* story, but certainly not the end of Transformers as we know it.  Hell, ROTF and Animated were contemporary, and both were tremendous successes.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure we we can&#039;t have Energon on this list, seeing all the complaints on this very wiki, but, eh.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 08:00, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I disagree. I&#039;ve read on here that people LIKED it at first, but eventually lost faith/the will to live after watching it. The list chronicles the events which work the OTHER way around. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 09:07, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I&#039;d say the list has nothing to do with how good something is, but more with complaints from the fandom and especially even before the thing in question has been released. Having said that, does RiD really warrant a place on the list? Was there really that much of a commotion about it? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m surprised &amp;quot;G1 Bayformers&amp;quot;, aka Don Figueroa&#039;s new drawing style isn&#039;t on this list, given that almost every single opinion on it I found was a flame.....--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I loath it to the core of my petty, petty being... but i don&#039;t see it as something that will kill or taint the franchise.  Kiss-Player is still squicking people &#039;&#039;years&#039;&#039; later... the fact the Japanese owners basically licensed TF loli guro porn is something that genuinely shocks people and lessens their opinion of TF as a whole-- especially since it&#039;s not one of those &#039;worse than it sounds&#039; things, the closer you look, the more disturbing it actually gets.  An unpleasant art style inflicted on the comparatively small comic-book audience... just isn&#039;t in the same ballpark.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it&#039;s harmed &#039;&#039;IDW&#039;&#039;&#039;s Transformers brand equity... people seem a lot more skeptical and a lot more negative of editorially-generated jerking around of the TF brand, because they&#039;ve now repeatedly dumped directions they committed to in order to chase imaginary gains that never materialized-- apparently heedless of the negative baggage piled on the story in the process.  (One more major reset in pursuit of some sort of magical deckchair configuration the editors are convinced is more important than telling good stories... and I might as well be reading DC!)  But not the brand overall.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Not to get all chat roomy here, but... what he said.  Oh dear lord, WHAT HE SAID. (Derik, have you posted that sentiment to IDW&#039;s boards?) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How about that B.O.T episode==&lt;br /&gt;
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To many fans, it&#039;s considered to be the worst G1 episode ever, so I think it should be placed here. [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 17:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yea, but this isn&#039;t a list of what people just call &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; - it&#039;s a list of the things that threw the fandom into a colossal uproar and actually caused people to say Transformers was ruined forever, more for the fact that they were drastically or outlandishly new and different than for their actually being of poor quality. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Drift==&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn&#039;t we add [[Drift (G1)| this Mary Sue]] to Runied FOREVER? {{unsigned|24.62.9.241}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. He hasn&#039;t ruined anything forever. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:55, 17 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe you should read the page above before you add to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:02, 18 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A quick question (not about adding additional items)...==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think that a funnier name for &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; would be Bayformers Teen Titans? I ask because we&#039;ve got Bayformers and Teen Titans on the list, and Bayformers Animated kind of throws off the flow. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:To me at least, &amp;quot;Bayformers Animated&amp;quot; flows much better than &amp;quot;Bayformers Teen Titans&amp;quot;. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:04, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::A fair point. I meant it more in the manner of fitting with what else was in the article. Not a big deal either way, I suppose. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:12, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Parodies of this page in other media ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just in case you didn&#039;t noticed it, this page has been parodied several times and in different media:&lt;br /&gt;
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* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER (As noted, this wiki is the trope namer for &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224448/ruined-forever.aspx&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.helloweenboard.com/topic/4063-seven-sinner-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__336072&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47999&amp;amp;page=1&lt;br /&gt;
* http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warmachine/163237-blight-spreading-nites-cryx-blog.html#post1416664&lt;br /&gt;
* http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love how the Wookiepedia people completely missed the point. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::...their version seems basically the same sarcastic treatment as ours.  Are you reading a different page?  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They seemed a lot more concerned with insignificant detail than this wiki is. However, in retrospect, &amp;quot;completely missed the point&amp;quot; was a bit strong on my part. Maybe the Star Wars fandom is more temperamental than we are?  [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:49, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;MAYBE&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;, he says! :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:54, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Not really parodies, more just... versions. [[User:Esser-Z|Esser-Z]] 11:40, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:54, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Literal for once ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pat Lee. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:31, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Transformers survived him, so not really literally, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: The franchise as a whole, but not Dreamwave. Or his reputation. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:17, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Not the point of the page. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:20, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobots who didn&#039;t turn into cars ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/615489-what-characters-killed-g1.html Transformers was ruined FOREVER in 1985!] Seriously.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:TFW2005 ruined Transformers forever.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:07, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dark of the Moon ==&lt;br /&gt;
*The first and second movies by Michael bay are on the list, but why not the third. Lots of people complained about the third one. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 07:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Getting on this page takes more than simple complaints. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rescue Bots ==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose adding rescue bots to this list, only listed as rescue heroes, or Eureka. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 20:26, 26 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:...but it&#039;s universally beloved.  Surely no Transformers fan could hate &#039;&#039;fun&#039;&#039;?! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:51, 12 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::While I agree that in moderation fun is enjoyable, its creation did cause the standard &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; response that would deem it necessary to add to the page in the best interests of keeping an accurate database. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 18:29, 30 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...Which died down about a week later, with only the few stubborn mules of the fandom remaining intolerant of it. This list contains things that have had lasting backlash that ran deep. Rescue Bots never got such deep-filled hatred as the things covered by this list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:09, 1 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Windblade ==&lt;br /&gt;
Given the kerfuffle a certain segment of the fanbase made over Windblade, ahould she and/or her series be added to this list?  And if so, as what? [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 22:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is just me, but I&#039;d say we wait a bit more and see how her series  and its portrayal of her character are received first. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You know this fandom better than I do... I&#039;m not always active in forums or anything... so I&#039;ll defer to your judgement.  But from what I heard, the drama got really stupid at some points.  [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 21:45, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The loudmouths are a minority at this point, people are being really vocal about how much they&#039;re enjoying the book. People are being mixed about whether they like the writing or the art more, but in general I&#039;m seeing a favorable response to the art and an appreciation for its snappy writing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 22:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::IMO the drama was less to do with Windblade and more about the &amp;quot;brief conflict&amp;quot; between Scott and Furman referenced on &#039;&#039;Spotlight: Arcee&#039;&#039;&#039;s page - the worst criticism of Windblade I&#039;ve seen is that she&#039;s kinda dull so far (and that was from me). I remember Drift raising far more ire when he was introduced and Drift isn&#039;t listed here. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 02:58, 23 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That&#039;s because IDW shilled Drift as &amp;quot;super cool&amp;quot; and that he&#039;d be &amp;quot;their Wolverine&amp;quot;. Windblade, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t shilled as a super cool &amp;quot;Wolverine&amp;quot;, which is probably why she&#039;s been received better than Drift was.[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Japanese-exclusive G1/Modern-era Cartoons ==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering: is anyone willing to add The Headmasters and/or Transformers Go! in it? ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:33, 28th May 2014 (MYT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Given that they&#039;ve never been accused of Ruining Transformers Forever in any way... no. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:12, 27 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m under the impression that most of the things that were never translated and made widely agailable to the Enlish-speaking fandom just didn&#039;t make much of an impression on them beyond &amp;quot;Hey, that guy looks cool/lame&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Kiss Players&amp;quot; and the controversy it stirred up probably being the big exception), and that &amp;quot;Go!&amp;quot; in particular is not so much reviled as it is simply not noticed. And as I don&#039;t speak Japanese, I couldn&#039;t begin to speculate upon how something like &amp;quot;Beast Wars Neo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;15 Go! Go!&amp;quot; was recieved in its native land.--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 19:33, 5 July 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Masterpiece Star Saber&#039;s English-language bio for the Australian release ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, the nerdrage over a little bonus addition for a limited run official import of a Japanese toy that references established IDW fiction is &#039;&#039;amazing&#039;&#039;. If that bio doesn&#039;t ruin Transformers FOREVER, nothing can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 18:11, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:As always, my instinct in a situation like this is to wait for at least 3-4 months to see if there is widespread and sustained griping. Many people want to find a way to include, well, virtually everything on this page, and most TF franchises just don&#039;t get that level of sustained vitriol to warrant inclusion.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:20, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think we even need to be that conservative. Nobody is going to claim that one regional release of one toy has &#039;&#039;ruined the entire Transformers franchise&#039;&#039;. There&#039;s no new innovation or franchise re-invention going on here. It&#039;s just one bio on one toy and some people raging for a day or two.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I&#039;ve said before, RUINED FOREVER is not just &amp;quot;BUHR ME FAN HATE THING&amp;quot;. It&#039;s &amp;quot;This new and different thing means that Transformers cannot and will not ever be good again&amp;quot; (add &amp;quot;because new things are bad&amp;quot; as needed), followed by Transformers surviving, thriving, and continuing to be good. In this age of live action movies, there&#039;s not much left that can shake the franchise to its core like that. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== DOTM Soundwave and Wheeljack cancelled in USA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that ruined forever? Many fans compalined about them cancelled and how they got too many Bumblebees.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 06:43, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, that is not &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot;. Ruined Forever is large scale complaining about things that have supposedly irredeemably damaged the brand. And the complaining has to continue for a long period of time. Fans were upset about this, but it didn&#039;t drag on for years and years. Or even months and months. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:52, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Megatron ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alot of fans were really upset with Megatron joining the autobots...That can be considered as a `RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This doesn&#039;t sound like something that happened.  --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 18:13, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Megatron never joined the Autobots ([[Megatron (SG)|though there is a mirrorverse Megatron of course]]) but we don&#039;t talk about fanfics, only official fiction.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:34, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go read the IDW comics, it happened. Or wait for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Leader|this toy]]. But again, this is nowhere near the level of complaining that is necessary for Ruined Forever. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But what&#039;s wrong if Megatron is an Autobot? It&#039;s supposed to be nice because that means there are no Decepticons and no war.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 03:45, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Which would pretty much END the fiction. No conflict, no drama, no story.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the allinged continuity, he becomes an Autobot in the Beast Hunters Predicons Rising movie. [[User:Markatron|Markatron]] ([[User talk:Markatron|talk]]) 23:09, 1 August 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Radical Feminist SJWs&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we remove this entry from the list? It just seems like pointless flamebait to me- not to mention that in my experience, practically nobody believes that female Transformers &amp;quot;ruined&amp;quot; the brand. I mean, you have some people (including the mighty Simon Furman himself) who find the idea of gender in a race of robots kinda silly because, well, they&#039;re robots- an opinion I personally disagree with but still understand- but in all my time as a Transformers fan I&#039;ve never seen ANYONE having the sort of knee-jerk reaction to the existance of female Transformers that this entry is implying, even on the 4chan Transformers threads.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, quite aside from anything else, it&#039;s an open invitation for LOLDRAMA and not even that funny.[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* As far as I can tell, the only people who had trouble with it were the writers for some of the comics, under the justification that as automata, Transformers shouldn&#039;t have genders. That said, no one complained and after Arcee&#039;s head-turning introduction to the series, more of them showed up without incident, meaning either a shift in attitude or pressure from Hasbro.&lt;br /&gt;
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: So yeah, pretty much. Don&#039;t need it. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 14:44, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Nnnnnyeah, that one&#039;s staying.&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/125522205664&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/124075222269&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/122682384287&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/129784394268&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/128712971726&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/121195549217&lt;br /&gt;
There is literally an entire Tumblr dedicated to cataloging angry reactions to women in Transformers and how &amp;quot;social justice&amp;quot; is ruining it further.  Hundreds of entries.  If you missed all of it, then you&#039;re blessed! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:13, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I mean, seriously, this is one of the few entries on the page that can [http://fusion.net/story/182445/misogynistic-fans-cant-deal-with-the-new-female-transformers/ actually be supported by articles] [http://www.avclub.com/article/hasbro-declares-war-boys-announcing-female-transfo-218595 on non-Transformers websites].  It belongs on here more than most others, if this were a wiki which was going for any kind of Wikipedia-style notability.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:16, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Well, my day is ruined forever. I could seriously have gone my whole life without learning about this tumblr.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Meh, most of the posts linked in that Tumblr (or at least the ones you linked) seemed to be fairly reasonable, and far from the outright disgust that usually accompanies cries of &amp;quot;RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;. Heck, there were actually a few fairly valid points here and there amidst the &amp;quot;I disagree with the direction IDW is taking the franchise&amp;quot; posts (most notably that men might be better at managing/marketing a boy-oriented toyline, just as women might be better for girl-oriented toylines). Unless &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; now means &amp;quot;Not everyone agrees this is a 100% good thing&amp;quot; I still think it&#039;s a pretty petty, unnecessary addition to an otherwise decent article. Now if you want real Ruined Forever butthurt just look at the reactions to Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook and Blastoff-as-a-jet.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, you aren&#039;t helping your case any by linking to clickbait articles. C&#039;mon, we&#039;re better than this.--[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 17:08, 20 December 2015 (EST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;==Regarding deletion==&lt;br /&gt;
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::JaAm has a page.  &#039;Ruined Forever&#039; is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is.  Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]].  (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...)  My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- &amp;quot;huh, why dont&#039; we have a page for that?&amp;quot;  (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murphy|Don Murray]] out of my brain.) &lt;br /&gt;
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide.  If a majority think it&#039;s not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I say it&#039;s as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber.  It&#039;s not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he&#039;s also got to sign my posts for me.  Damn that Derik.  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN.  --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I vote for keeping the page.  As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don&#039;t like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like &#039;&#039;Ruined FOREVER&#039;&#039;, [[Furmanism]], and Chewed caramels be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005&#039;s &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of &#039;dull surprise&#039; until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nor I.  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;re just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are &#039;about&#039; a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it.  Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave&#039;s style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels &#039;&#039;seems&#039;&#039; to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1&#039;s design aesthetic.  I doubt anyone put &#039;&#039;conscious thought&#039;&#039; into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren&#039;t &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; about the phrase- they&#039;re about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.&lt;br /&gt;
::(I&#039;m not familiar with &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that.  I also don&#039;t know &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot; but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP]. &lt;br /&gt;
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::::Actually, Steve-o, I&#039;d say &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one.  Having never heard of &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot;, and seeing that few others apparently have either, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s as much a meme as &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime&#039;s minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed.  The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&amp;amp;st=20&amp;amp;p=551756&amp;amp;#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually.  Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex&lt;br /&gt;
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Usage==&lt;br /&gt;
Has &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I&#039;m not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m sure something very similar, at least, has been used.  But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what&#039;s the problem?  Can you recommend a better title for the article?  Or are you saying the article shouldn&#039;t exist at all?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I (and a number of others) used to think &amp;quot;Rapeing my childood&amp;quot; was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It&#039;s still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The &#039;&#039;&#039;scream your head off in outraged panic&#039;&#039;&#039; / &#039;&#039;&#039;call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the &amp;quot;sky is falling&amp;quot; aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer &#039;&#039;number&#039;&#039; of times fans have declared TF ruined forever.  (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)&lt;br /&gt;
:If you have some other title you&#039;d prefer for this article like &#039;Clicken-Little Syndrome&#039; by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.&lt;br /&gt;
:And frankly, while the &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; itself is worthy of ridicule, the &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda &#039;&#039;endearing&#039;&#039; and speaks well of fans.  At least their &#039;&#039;hearts&#039;&#039; are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Paul Dini==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini &#039;&#039;the writer&#039;&#039; being used for Animated will &amp;quot;RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER&amp;quot; is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I&#039;ve never seen any individual display the idiocy we&#039;re accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Scary, scary stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a &amp;quot;general hasbro idiocy&amp;quot; linking to &amp;quot;transformers&amp;quot; or somesuch?&lt;br /&gt;
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==Marked for deletion.==&lt;br /&gt;
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This is getting out of hand.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now.  As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article.  While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor &amp;quot;friend&amp;quot; decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer.  This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive &#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039; negative about Transformers itself at all.  Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.&lt;br /&gt;
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By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar.  Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree. I didn&#039;t feel this article was necessary, and I still don&#039;t. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn&#039;t belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister &amp;quot;integrity of the characters&amp;quot; is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m putting in a vote for keeping it. It&#039;s a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it&#039;s wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think it should stay, it&#039;s funny.  Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I would keep it.  I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown.  [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude.  I&#039;ve fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors.  If you&#039;re gonna get in a pissy editing war, we&#039;d damn well better know who you are.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; article is stupid and don&#039;t make any sense. Its just shit&lt;br /&gt;
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: [[Seafood Louis]].  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike &#039;ruined it permanently&#039; so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, &#039;ok, well maybe I&#039;m over-reacting.&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Well said, citizen.  [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, you&#039;ve cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate.  And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom&#039;s reactionary past.&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It&#039;s inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn&#039;t that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.&lt;br /&gt;
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(and that aside, I just think it&#039;s really, really funny)&lt;br /&gt;
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.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That&#039;s me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Where do we draw the line?==&lt;br /&gt;
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever?  Why, for instance, is &#039;&#039;The Beast Within&#039;&#039; in there?  Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; than We&#039;ve, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to &#039;&#039;twice&#039;&#039; that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.  &lt;br /&gt;
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they&#039;re canon.  Also, it was the reason for the article&#039;s creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Why wait?  If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to &amp;quot;Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay,&amp;quot; and perhaps a few others, right now.  Then a &amp;quot;Trivia&amp;quot; note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever.  Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I&#039;ve seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, Thy, I&#039;d append your list with a general &amp;quot;*-masters&amp;quot; thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever&#039;s listed here should have a certain &amp;quot;endurance&amp;quot; as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? &amp;quot;* Masters&amp;quot; certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&amp;amp;start=10&amp;amp;sa=N&amp;amp;scoring=d&amp;amp;ie=utf-8&amp;amp;oe=utf-8&amp;amp;|&amp;quot;killed transformers&amp;quot;] ain&#039;t enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I doubt I&#039;d get objections if I added it, but I&#039;d like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;such a dramatic departure.&#039;&#039;&#039; Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering &amp;quot;My god... they&#039;ve finally done it. It&#039;s ruined...&amp;quot; --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You&#039;re missing the point of the article, then.  The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it&#039;s usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Last Deletion Locked in?==&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked.  Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There are two facets to this.  First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow.  Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back.  Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.&lt;br /&gt;
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; concept.  &amp;quot;Runined forever&amp;quot; is a cry that springs up whenever &#039;&#039;something new is added to the Transformers brand&#039;&#039; by HasTak, and it happens every single time.  Thus, the fans &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; ruin TF forver, because they don&#039;t add new canon.  And, while HasTak &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; ruin TF forever, it&#039;s because they&#039;re the only ones who can do so.  I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Fair enough, I suppose.  It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor.  Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible.  [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Masters of the Universe link==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line&#039;s failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel&#039;s &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; as the reason for the line&#039;s failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article.  (Hint: It wasn&#039;t kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn&#039;t reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more &amp;quot;realisticly&amp;quot;. In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of &#039;80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with &#039;&#039;&#039;actual kids&#039;&#039;&#039; in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line&#039;s failure on the older fan mentality.&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Also Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn&#039;t get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line&#039;s failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of &amp;quot;samori repaints on stilts&amp;quot; is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line&#039;s retail appeal. &lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally I think there&#039;s some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, &#039;&#039;&#039;AND&#039;&#039;&#039; the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to &#039;blame&#039;, and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it&#039;s not a clear cut case of &#039;it&#039;s all the collectors fault&#039;. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hrm, there&#039;s some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison.  (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou&#039;re not bringing new fans in.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it&#039;s worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren&#039;t watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Here&#039;s an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it&#039;s more balanced, so we don&#039;t end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s worth noting that even in today&#039;s environment, the military has &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it&#039;s very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the &amp;quot;big&amp;quot; Joe revival frankly isn&#039;t very big. It&#039;s pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I&#039;d also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro&#039;s bookkeeping. They&#039;ve done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they&#039;re doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn&#039;t available here, because Hasbro AU&#039;s last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I&#039;ve read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They&#039;re not on pegs anymore, so I guess they&#039;ve been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s always going to, because there will always, &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman &amp;quot;CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!&amp;quot; (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can&#039;t sell your &#039;&#039;two primary characters in the line&#039;&#039;, maybe there&#039;s something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it&#039;d be like if a Batman line couldn&#039;t sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU&#039;s failure. Frankly, I&#039;d say just add a note to OUR article saying &amp;quot;ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn&#039;t want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini.&amp;quot; --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line &amp;quot;catered exclusively to older collectors&amp;quot; and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I&#039;d say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-&#039;&#039;&#039;Edit:&#039;&#039;&#039; On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::And this is my point - we&#039;ll start looking like idiots who can&#039;t even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I see Zac&#039;s point- but I think he&#039;s reacting to something that&#039;s not in the article.  We&#039;re holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention.  Since there &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.  &lt;br /&gt;
:::We do not say that this is &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; the line failed.  It probably &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;, but we don&#039;t say that.  We merely hold it up as an apporach that&#039;s probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
:::So to be really blunt-- I don&#039;t care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was.  &#039;&#039;&#039;A)&#039;&#039;&#039; That&#039;s masturbatory.  &#039;&#039;&#039;B)&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s not what this article is talking about, so it&#039;s simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But it says &#039;cater exclusively to the old-school collectors&#039;, which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it&#039;s not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::In this context, that &#039;catering&#039; refers to design, not case assortments.  We&#039;re discussing &#039;&#039;reinvention&#039;&#039;.  One does not &#039;reinvent&#039; case assortments!  And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::More to the point- we&#039;re discussing changign the content on &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something &#039;&#039;we&#039;re not even saying here&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this.  But we&#039;re not!  We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article &#039;&#039;doesn&#039;t&#039;&#039; say, but which &#039;might run through that same fanboy&#039;s mind as they read our article.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::While &#039;&#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039;&#039; clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best &#039;&#039;&#039;it doesn&#039;t matter&#039;&#039;&#039;.  We say it catered to collectors.  That&#039;s it!  &#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.&#039;&#039;&#039; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is The [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] series, the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]], and [[Exclusive]]s listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It&#039;s satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Adding to the list ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The Cliff Notes version: there&#039;s very little reason to.&lt;br /&gt;
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The full version: Contrary to what [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER many people think], this is not a list of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER everything Transformers ever].  It is not even a list of everything Transformers that fans have ever complained about.  It is a list of the relative handful of times that something ground-shaking and new has come along, something totally different from what&#039;s gone before, something that&#039;s not exactly like 1984, that causes people to complain that Transformers has irrevocably jumped the shark and begun sinking into an irreversible oblivion.  All this doomsaying is then typically followed by the franchise surging back to life as the awful horrible new thing turns out to be a smashing success.  Alternately, the horrible new thing quietly fades away while the franchise chugs along to the next new thing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thing is, anybody who&#039;s stuck with Transformers to this point is used to these reinventions.  Perspective has grown long enough that plenty of fans now understand that anything they don&#039;t like will be gone in a year or two.  Maybe I&#039;m biased &#039;cause I only read the Allspark boards and they&#039;re fairly intelligent, but cries of RUINED FOREVER are increasingly rare these days. &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why Drift is on the list.  Plenty of people think he sucks, but nobody&#039;s claiming he&#039;s going to bring down the whole franchise.  &#039;&#039;All Hail Megatron&#039;&#039; would be a better candidate, because people (including myself!) &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; claiming that IDW&#039;s whole storyline has been permanently destroyed by it.  (You could also make a case for &#039;&#039;Energon&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;bad anime&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;Prime Directive&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;MATURE ADULT XXX&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Buckets of Blood&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Pat Lee&amp;quot;), and/or Dreamwave (&amp;quot;The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Superstars&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Bankruptcy&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why stolen prototypes are on the list.  Yeah, some of us make a fuss over them.  Y&#039;know why?  Because HASBRO THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY ARE A THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS.  There&#039;s no ridiculously overblown grasping-at-straws fandom absurdity to mock here.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I&#039;d need to see a LOT of linked posts before I&#039;d accept ROTF on the list.  I can&#039;t fathom someone having complaints about ROTF that didn&#039;t also apply to the first movie. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:10, 25 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are new complaints about ROTF - about [[Mudflap (ROTF)|these]] [[Skids (ROTF)|two]].--[[Special:Contributions/172.162.17.159|172.162.17.159]] 08:34, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Repowers 100%.  If anything, I think the list could use some trimming.  Are people complaining about the Twins? Sure! Is ANYONE saying that Transformers, as a franchise, is over/tainted? Umm ... not that I&#039;ve heard.  Certainly no substantial block of the fandom.  &lt;br /&gt;
::And stolen prototypes, while I DO think people make a somewhat biggish deal about them, don&#039;t really belong on the list either.  A: as Repowers points out, Hasbro itself has legitimized the concern.  B: people getting annoyed about something is NOT the same as saying that the Transformers brand is beyond recovery.  Hell, even AHM seems like a stretch.  I think that most of the fandom has gained enough hindsight to know that, at worst, AHM represents a change in direction for *IDW&#039;S* story, but certainly not the end of Transformers as we know it.  Hell, ROTF and Animated were contemporary, and both were tremendous successes.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure we we can&#039;t have Energon on this list, seeing all the complaints on this very wiki, but, eh.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 08:00, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I disagree. I&#039;ve read on here that people LIKED it at first, but eventually lost faith/the will to live after watching it. The list chronicles the events which work the OTHER way around. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 09:07, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I&#039;d say the list has nothing to do with how good something is, but more with complaints from the fandom and especially even before the thing in question has been released. Having said that, does RiD really warrant a place on the list? Was there really that much of a commotion about it? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m surprised &amp;quot;G1 Bayformers&amp;quot;, aka Don Figueroa&#039;s new drawing style isn&#039;t on this list, given that almost every single opinion on it I found was a flame.....--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I loath it to the core of my petty, petty being... but i don&#039;t see it as something that will kill or taint the franchise.  Kiss-Player is still squicking people &#039;&#039;years&#039;&#039; later... the fact the Japanese owners basically licensed TF loli guro porn is something that genuinely shocks people and lessens their opinion of TF as a whole-- especially since it&#039;s not one of those &#039;worse than it sounds&#039; things, the closer you look, the more disturbing it actually gets.  An unpleasant art style inflicted on the comparatively small comic-book audience... just isn&#039;t in the same ballpark.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it&#039;s harmed &#039;&#039;IDW&#039;&#039;&#039;s Transformers brand equity... people seem a lot more skeptical and a lot more negative of editorially-generated jerking around of the TF brand, because they&#039;ve now repeatedly dumped directions they committed to in order to chase imaginary gains that never materialized-- apparently heedless of the negative baggage piled on the story in the process.  (One more major reset in pursuit of some sort of magical deckchair configuration the editors are convinced is more important than telling good stories... and I might as well be reading DC!)  But not the brand overall.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Not to get all chat roomy here, but... what he said.  Oh dear lord, WHAT HE SAID. (Derik, have you posted that sentiment to IDW&#039;s boards?) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How about that B.O.T episode==&lt;br /&gt;
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To many fans, it&#039;s considered to be the worst G1 episode ever, so I think it should be placed here. [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 17:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yea, but this isn&#039;t a list of what people just call &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; - it&#039;s a list of the things that threw the fandom into a colossal uproar and actually caused people to say Transformers was ruined forever, more for the fact that they were drastically or outlandishly new and different than for their actually being of poor quality. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Drift==&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn&#039;t we add [[Drift (G1)| this Mary Sue]] to Runied FOREVER? {{unsigned|24.62.9.241}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. He hasn&#039;t ruined anything forever. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:55, 17 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe you should read the page above before you add to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:02, 18 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A quick question (not about adding additional items)...==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think that a funnier name for &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; would be Bayformers Teen Titans? I ask because we&#039;ve got Bayformers and Teen Titans on the list, and Bayformers Animated kind of throws off the flow. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:To me at least, &amp;quot;Bayformers Animated&amp;quot; flows much better than &amp;quot;Bayformers Teen Titans&amp;quot;. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:04, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::A fair point. I meant it more in the manner of fitting with what else was in the article. Not a big deal either way, I suppose. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:12, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Parodies of this page in other media ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just in case you didn&#039;t noticed it, this page has been parodied several times and in different media:&lt;br /&gt;
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* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER (As noted, this wiki is the trope namer for &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224448/ruined-forever.aspx&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.helloweenboard.com/topic/4063-seven-sinner-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__336072&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47999&amp;amp;page=1&lt;br /&gt;
* http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warmachine/163237-blight-spreading-nites-cryx-blog.html#post1416664&lt;br /&gt;
* http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love how the Wookiepedia people completely missed the point. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::...their version seems basically the same sarcastic treatment as ours.  Are you reading a different page?  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They seemed a lot more concerned with insignificant detail than this wiki is. However, in retrospect, &amp;quot;completely missed the point&amp;quot; was a bit strong on my part. Maybe the Star Wars fandom is more temperamental than we are?  [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:49, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;MAYBE&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;, he says! :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:54, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Not really parodies, more just... versions. [[User:Esser-Z|Esser-Z]] 11:40, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:54, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Literal for once ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pat Lee. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:31, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Transformers survived him, so not really literally, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: The franchise as a whole, but not Dreamwave. Or his reputation. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:17, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Not the point of the page. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:20, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobots who didn&#039;t turn into cars ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/615489-what-characters-killed-g1.html Transformers was ruined FOREVER in 1985!] Seriously.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:TFW2005 ruined Transformers forever.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:07, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dark of the Moon ==&lt;br /&gt;
*The first and second movies by Michael bay are on the list, but why not the third. Lots of people complained about the third one. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 07:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Getting on this page takes more than simple complaints. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rescue Bots ==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose adding rescue bots to this list, only listed as rescue heroes, or Eureka. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 20:26, 26 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:...but it&#039;s universally beloved.  Surely no Transformers fan could hate &#039;&#039;fun&#039;&#039;?! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:51, 12 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::While I agree that in moderation fun is enjoyable, its creation did cause the standard &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; response that would deem it necessary to add to the page in the best interests of keeping an accurate database. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 18:29, 30 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...Which died down about a week later, with only the few stubborn mules of the fandom remaining intolerant of it. This list contains things that have had lasting backlash that ran deep. Rescue Bots never got such deep-filled hatred as the things covered by this list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:09, 1 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Windblade ==&lt;br /&gt;
Given the kerfuffle a certain segment of the fanbase made over Windblade, ahould she and/or her series be added to this list?  And if so, as what? [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 22:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is just me, but I&#039;d say we wait a bit more and see how her series  and its portrayal of her character are received first. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You know this fandom better than I do... I&#039;m not always active in forums or anything... so I&#039;ll defer to your judgement.  But from what I heard, the drama got really stupid at some points.  [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 21:45, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The loudmouths are a minority at this point, people are being really vocal about how much they&#039;re enjoying the book. People are being mixed about whether they like the writing or the art more, but in general I&#039;m seeing a favorable response to the art and an appreciation for its snappy writing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 22:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::IMO the drama was less to do with Windblade and more about the &amp;quot;brief conflict&amp;quot; between Scott and Furman referenced on &#039;&#039;Spotlight: Arcee&#039;&#039;&#039;s page - the worst criticism of Windblade I&#039;ve seen is that she&#039;s kinda dull so far (and that was from me). I remember Drift raising far more ire when he was introduced and Drift isn&#039;t listed here. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 02:58, 23 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That&#039;s because IDW shilled Drift as &amp;quot;super cool&amp;quot; and that he&#039;d be &amp;quot;their Wolverine&amp;quot;. Windblade, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t shilled as a super cool &amp;quot;Wolverine&amp;quot;, which is probably why she&#039;s been received better than Drift was.[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Japanese-exclusive G1/Modern-era Cartoons ==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering: is anyone willing to add The Headmasters and/or Transformers Go! in it? ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:33, 28th May 2014 (MYT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Given that they&#039;ve never been accused of Ruining Transformers Forever in any way... no. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:12, 27 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m under the impression that most of the things that were never translated and made widely agailable to the Enlish-speaking fandom just didn&#039;t make much of an impression on them beyond &amp;quot;Hey, that guy looks cool/lame&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Kiss Players&amp;quot; and the controversy it stirred up probably being the big exception), and that &amp;quot;Go!&amp;quot; in particular is not so much reviled as it is simply not noticed. And as I don&#039;t speak Japanese, I couldn&#039;t begin to speculate upon how something like &amp;quot;Beast Wars Neo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;15 Go! Go!&amp;quot; was recieved in its native land.--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 19:33, 5 July 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, the nerdrage over a little bonus addition for a limited run official import of a Japanese toy that references established IDW fiction is &#039;&#039;amazing&#039;&#039;. If that bio doesn&#039;t ruin Transformers FOREVER, nothing can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 18:11, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:As always, my instinct in a situation like this is to wait for at least 3-4 months to see if there is widespread and sustained griping. Many people want to find a way to include, well, virtually everything on this page, and most TF franchises just don&#039;t get that level of sustained vitriol to warrant inclusion.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:20, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think we even need to be that conservative. Nobody is going to claim that one regional release of one toy has &#039;&#039;ruined the entire Transformers franchise&#039;&#039;. There&#039;s no new innovation or franchise re-invention going on here. It&#039;s just one bio on one toy and some people raging for a day or two.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I&#039;ve said before, RUINED FOREVER is not just &amp;quot;BUHR ME FAN HATE THING&amp;quot;. It&#039;s &amp;quot;This new and different thing means that Transformers cannot and will not ever be good again&amp;quot; (add &amp;quot;because new things are bad&amp;quot; as needed), followed by Transformers surviving, thriving, and continuing to be good. In this age of live action movies, there&#039;s not much left that can shake the franchise to its core like that. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== DOTM Soundwave and Wheeljack cancelled in USA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that ruined forever? Many fans compalined about them cancelled and how they got too many Bumblebees.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 06:43, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, that is not &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot;. Ruined Forever is large scale complaining about things that have supposedly irredeemably damaged the brand. And the complaining has to continue for a long period of time. Fans were upset about this, but it didn&#039;t drag on for years and years. Or even months and months. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:52, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Megatron ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alot of fans were really upset with Megatron joining the autobots...That can be considered as a `RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This doesn&#039;t sound like something that happened.  --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 18:13, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Megatron never joined the Autobots ([[Megatron (SG)|though there is a mirrorverse Megatron of course]]) but we don&#039;t talk about fanfics, only official fiction.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:34, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go read the IDW comics, it happened. Or wait for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Leader|this toy]]. But again, this is nowhere near the level of complaining that is necessary for Ruined Forever. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But what&#039;s wrong if Megatron is an Autobot? It&#039;s supposed to be nice because that means there are no Decepticons and no war.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 03:45, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Which would pretty much END the fiction. No conflict, no drama, no story.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the allinged continuity, he becomes an Autobot in the Beast Hunters Predicons Rising movie. [[User:Markatron|Markatron]] ([[User talk:Markatron|talk]]) 23:09, 1 August 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Radical Feminist SJWs&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we remove this entry from the list? It just seems like pointless flamebait to me- not to mention that in my experience, practically nobody believes that female Transformers &amp;quot;ruined&amp;quot; the brand. I mean, you have some people (including the mighty Simon Furman himself) who find the idea of gender in a race of robots kinda silly because, well, they&#039;re robots- an opinion I personally disagree with but still understand- but in all my time as a Transformers fan I&#039;ve never seen ANYONE having the sort of knee-jerk reaction to the existance of female Transformers that this entry is implying, even on the 4chan Transformers threads.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, quite aside from anything else, it&#039;s an open invitation for LOLDRAMA and not even that funny.[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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* As far as I can tell, the only people who had trouble with it were the writers for some of the comics, under the justification that as automata, Transformers shouldn&#039;t have genders. That said, no one complained and after Arcee&#039;s head-turning introduction to the series, more of them showed up without incident, meaning either a shift in attitude or pressure from Hasbro.&lt;br /&gt;
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: So yeah, pretty much. Don&#039;t need it. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 14:44, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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Nnnnnyeah, that one&#039;s staying.&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/125522205664&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/124075222269&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/122682384287&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/129784394268&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/128712971726&lt;br /&gt;
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/121195549217&lt;br /&gt;
There is literally an entire Tumblr dedicated to cataloging angry reactions to women in Transformers and how &amp;quot;social justice&amp;quot; is ruining it further.  Hundreds of entries.  If you missed all of it, then you&#039;re blessed! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:13, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I mean, seriously, this is one of the few entries on the page that can [http://fusion.net/story/182445/misogynistic-fans-cant-deal-with-the-new-female-transformers/ actually be supported by articles] [http://www.avclub.com/article/hasbro-declares-war-boys-announcing-female-transfo-218595 on non-Transformers websites].  It belongs on here more than most others, if this were a wiki which was going for any kind of Wikipedia-style notability.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:16, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Well, my day is ruined forever. I could seriously have gone my whole life without learning about this tumblr.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
Meh, most of the posts linked in that Tumblr (or at least the ones you linked) seemed to be fairly reasonable, and far from the outright disgust that usually accompanies cries of &amp;quot;RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;. Heck, there were actually a few fairly valid points here and there amidst the &amp;quot;I disagree with the direction IDW is taking the franchise&amp;quot; posts (most notably that men might be better at managing/marketing a boy-oriented toyline, just as women might be better for girl-oriented toylines). Unless &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; now means &amp;quot;Not everyone agrees this is a 100% good thing&amp;quot; I still think it&#039;s a pretty petty, unnecessary addition to an otherwise decent article. Now if you want real Ruined Forever butthurt just look at the reactions to Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook and Blastoff-as-a-jet.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, you aren&#039;t helping your case any by linking to clickbait articles. C&#039;mon, we&#039;re better than this.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Seizer&amp;diff=1024478</id>
		<title>Seizer</title>
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{{disambig2|the Marvel Comics Decepticon|the IDW Decepticon|Seizor}} &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Seizer is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Seizer marvel uk 214.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Seizer&#039;&#039;&#039; is a member of the ruling [[Triumverate]] who seized control of the Decepticons after the (second) death of [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]. He is arrogant, lazy, and believes in a rather complacent method of Decepticon rule on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].  He&#039;s the most violent of the three, but really only when someone dares bring him less than premium-grade [[oil]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Marvel &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; comics===&lt;br /&gt;
{{noteukexclusive|Seizer}}&lt;br /&gt;
An unspecified amount of time after the (second) death of Straxus, a triumvirate of Decepticons, ingeniously calling themselves the Triumverate, came to power as the new rulers of Cybertron. [[Legonis]], [[Octus (G1)|Octus]] and Seizer ruled together from their palace at the city [[Helex]], sharing a three-seater throne. Octus had the center seat.&lt;br /&gt;
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As rulers of Cybertron the Triumverate were too lazy for active aggression against the [[Autobot]]s. Instead they spent their time enjoying [[Gladiatorial combat|arena fights]] between Autobot prisoners and powerful Decepticon warriors (such as [[Quake (G1)|Quake]]), even contemplating pitting Decepticon against Decepticon should they run out of prisoners, rather than going out to get more.&lt;br /&gt;
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When Straxus-[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (it&#039;s complicated) arrived on Cybertron with [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in tow, he was horrified with the state of things and challenged the Triumverate&#039;s rule.&lt;br /&gt;
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Legonis shoved Megatron into the area (of the arena), where cannon-boy bashed up a few Decepticons (including Quake, the schmuck) before making a speech about Decepticon values. Seizer realized they&#039;d lost the crowd, and drew his gun to shoot Megatron in the back and re-affirm just who was in control. Realising that they hated not going out and killing Autobots, the Decepticons turned on the Triumverate for being lazy bozos.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Triggercon]]s shot the Triumverate in the backs, killing them. Seizer was blasted by [[Windsweeper]], giving him a fatal seizure. {{storylink|The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*Octus (Octavius), Legonis (Lepidus) and Seizer (Caesar) are a parody of (or perhaps tribute to) the ruling Triumvirate of Rome after the death of Julius Caesar.&lt;br /&gt;
*Seizer&#039;s robot mode shows signs of him transforming into some kind of heavy mining machine.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Comic-only Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:European-original Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 Decepticons]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Seizer</title>
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{{disambig2|the Marvel Comics Decepticon|the IDW Decepticon|Seizor}} &lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Seizer is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Seizer marvel uk 214.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]Well, there&#039;s no way this genius plan could POSSIBLY go wrong.]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Seizer&#039;&#039;&#039; is a member of the ruling [[Triumverate]] who seized control of the Decepticons after the (second) death of [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]. He is arrogant, lazy, and believes in a rather complacent method of Decepticon rule on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].  He&#039;s the most violent of the three, but really only when someone dares bring him less than premium-grade [[oil]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Marvel &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; comics===&lt;br /&gt;
{{noteukexclusive|Seizer}}&lt;br /&gt;
An unspecified amount of time after the (second) death of Straxus, a triumvirate of Decepticons, ingeniously calling themselves the Triumverate, came to power as the new rulers of Cybertron. [[Legonis]], [[Octus (G1)|Octus]] and Seizer ruled together from their palace at the city [[Helex]], sharing a three-seater throne. Octus had the center seat.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As rulers of Cybertron the Triumverate were too lazy for active aggression against the [[Autobot]]s. Instead they spent their time enjoying [[Gladiatorial combat|arena fights]] between Autobot prisoners and powerful Decepticon warriors (such as [[Quake (G1)|Quake]]), even contemplating pitting Decepticon against Decepticon should they run out of prisoners, rather than going out to get more.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
When Straxus-[[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] (it&#039;s complicated) arrived on Cybertron with [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in tow, he was horrified with the state of things and challenged the Triumverate&#039;s rule.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Legonis shoved Megatron into the area (of the arena), where cannon-boy bashed up a few Decepticons (including Quake, the schmuck) before making a speech about Decepticon values. Seizer realized they&#039;d lost the crowd, and drew his gun to shoot Megatron in the back and re-affirm just who was in control. Realising that they hated not going out and killing Autobots, the Decepticons turned on the Triumverate for being lazy bozos.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Triggercon]]s shot the Triumverate in the backs, killing them. Seizer was blasted by [[Windsweeper]], giving him a fatal seizure. {{storylink|The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*Octus (Octavius), Legonis (Lepidus) and Seizer (Caesar) are a parody of (or perhaps tribute to) the ruling Triumvirate of Rome after the death of Julius Caesar.&lt;br /&gt;
*Seizer&#039;s robot mode shows signs of him transforming into some kind of heavy mining machine.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Comic-only Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:European-original Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 Decepticons]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Blackarachnia (BW)</title>
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{{disambig3|Blackarachnia}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] who changes allegiances with alarming frequency from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TFLegends-Blackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Hot, poisonous, and deadly. Rawr!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A sultry femme fatale, &#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; is smart, sexy, and dangerous. She&#039;s got eight legs, and she knows how to use them. Of the several rebellious Predacons under [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]&#039;s command, she&#039;s one of the very few who can, on occasion, outguile him. Always looking out for Number One, Blackarachnia values her independence and freedom above all else. She would rather be deactivated than be a slave.&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia&#039;s greatest weakness, other than her overconfidence, is her feelings for the Maximal [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Something about his heroic demeanor and the kindness he shows her makes her uneasy. She hasn&#039;t experienced unconditional love before, and it scares her, though she&#039;ll never admit it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even when I&#039;m good, I&#039;m still bad.|Blackarachnia|&amp;quot;[[Crossing the Rubicon]]&amp;quot;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Toy bios===&lt;br /&gt;
Working by moonlight, Blackarachnia posed as a double agent. In reality, this was merely a ruse she utilized in order to lure unwitting Maximals into her darkened den, where she first paralyzed her victim with a poisonous missile. She then proceeded to restrain her victim with her powerful legs, and subsequently sucked their life force dry... kinky. She was capable of converting thermal energy into [[cyber venom]]. {{storylink|Blackarachnia (BW)#Toys|Blackarachnia bio}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The new [[Transmetal 2]] body Blackarachnia acquired from Megatron&#039;s mysterious new technology had the power to cast illusions, altering her physical appearance and position for up to five minutes thanks to the electro disruptor housed in her... rear segment. {{storylink|Blackarachnia (BW)#Beast Wars|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia toy bio}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cartoon continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; cartoon====&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Venus Terzo]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese)|[[Fátima Noya]] (Portuguese), [[Françoise Vallon]] (French), [[Loredana Alfieri]] (Italian), [[Uta Dahlbridge]] (German), [[Olga Hnidey]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Marisa Marco]] (Castilian Spanish)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BAintroduction.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Ah, the art of tightrope walking! One can&#039;t deny Blackarachnia her talents.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia was born from one of the [[Maximal|Maximals&#039;]] fallen [[stasis pod]]s. [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], watching a black widow fight and devour another spider, was inspired. [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], observing the slim and attractive Blackarachnia transform and strike a few poses, suggested that he had &amp;quot;ulterior motives behind her beast form selection&amp;quot; but she was a Predacon, and that was what was important. In the battle with the Maximals that followed, she easily defeated [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] with a well-placed kick. She was later reported as &amp;quot;missing,&amp;quot; though the reasons why and how were never addressed. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She was soon assigned to a mission with [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] to dig under the [[Axalon (BW)|Maximal base]] and use a [[sonic emitter]] she had invented to blow a hole into the bottom. She didn&#039;t get on well with either of them, but they managed to eventually get to the point where they were ready to trigger the emitter... only for [[Tigatron]] to steal it. By the time they caught up with the Maximal, the emitter was ready to explode, and they could only flee the blast area. {{storylink|A Better Mousetrap}} When [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]]&#039;s virus turned [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] into a berserker and he invaded the [[Darksyde (BW)|Predacon base]], Blackarachnia and Terrorsaur battled the other Maximals as they also tried to gain entry. Unfortunately Cheetor slipped past them and was able to rescue Primal, however at least the other Maximals were held off. {{storylink|Gorilla Warfare}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was present during the interrogation of Cheetor when the Predacons discovered that a [[temporal probe|Maximal probe]] was flying past the planet, and took part in the battle to destroy the signal array which the Maximals were building. Once [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] was locked into his dino-mode by Tarantualas&#039;s [[transformation lock lens]], Blackarachnia delivered the coup de grâce to his pride after hitting the disabled Maximal with several kicks to the face, only to be subsequently blasted off a cliff by [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. {{storylink|The Probe}} The Predacons staged a deception, faking their own destruction and using signal dampeners invented by Blackarachnia to hide while the Maximals use parts from their ship to repair the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;. After being discovered by Dinobot, they pursued him. During an attempt to rush the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia was blasted by the ship&#039;s defenses. {{storylink|Victory (episode)|Victory}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TheSpark Blackarachnia spidermode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Prime used to leave his trailer behind when he transformed, so why &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; she do the same with her thorax?]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Megatron turned [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] into a Predacon using a [[Transmuter (BW)|Transmuter]], Blackarachnia and Megatron were startled by Waspinator&#039;s impression of [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]. {{storylink|Dark Designs}} Blackarachnia and Scorponok were dispatched to retrieve the latest crashed stasis pod. They encountered Tigatron, who disabled Scorponok, but was himself paralyzed by Blackarachnia&#039;s venom. At the pod, she fought Cheetor at length, but he caught her venom dart and used it to knock her out. {{storylink|The Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Trigger Blackarachnia chair.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Blackarachnia empowered by the chair.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The discovery of a mysterious [[Brigadoon|flying island]] led to Megatron dispatching Blackarachnia and Scorponok to investigate it. Blackarachnia, when she saw the power wielded by the island, resolved to herself that she would take control of it. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}} As the pair reached the obelisk in the center of the island, Waspinator and Terrorsaur arrived, and Blackarachnia tricked them into using their weapons, causing the island defenses to blast them. She then got rid of Scorponok using one of the island&#039;s traps, and took control of the island&#039;s power herself. Though she started piloting the island toward the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, Tigatron was able to destroy its energy supply, and the whole thing crashed to the ground. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She soon attempted to forge an alliance with Tarantulas, flattering him and accompanying him on a mission to secure the latest stasis pod to crash. Unfortunately they were too late to ensure the protoform obtained an arachnid [[beast mode]], and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] was born. While Blackarachnia was trying to get the new Predacon under control, Tarantulas made off with the real prize — the stasis pod itself. After the pod was destroyed, Tarantulas revealed to her that the planet was doomed, and she realised he&#039;d intended to use the pod to build an escape ship, but he rebuffed her offer of further help and threw her out of his lair. {{storylink|Spider&#039;s Game}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Possession Blackarachnia slags Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.55|Her eyes are up there! And down there! Take your pick.]]&lt;br /&gt;
A Predacon plan to steal the [[rectifier coil]] from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; resulted in the Maximals going feral, and Blackarachnia was part of the hunting party which pursued them into the jungle. She was defeated by Dinobot after the Maximals overcame their little problem. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] took control of Waspinator&#039;s body and the Predacons were able to conquer the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, the Decepticon took Blackarachnia under his wing as a student and revealed his true intent to overthrow Megatron. After he abandoned her in the Maximal base, leaving her to escape Primal and Dinobot on her own, she took that as a hint to return the favour, and later shot a cluster of energon crystals, blasting Starscream free from Waspinator. She then engaged in some quick talking to get herself out of trouble with Megatron. {{storylink|Possession}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Tarantulas infected Rhinox with an [[energon discharge virus]], and was later himself incapacitated, leading the Predacons to investigate his lair to see if they could dig up any more of the virus. Blackarachnia was able to find a counter-virus, but while Megatron was attempting a brilliant gambit against the attacking Maximals, Rhinox countered with an almighty fart which left the Predacon forces hanging from a tree. {{storylink|The Low Road}} Some time later, Megatron called a truce when signs pointed to the [[Vok|aliens]] returning. Tarantulas stole a transwarp cell from the &#039;&#039;Darksyde&#039;&#039;, leading Megatron to assign Blackarachnia to keep an eye on him. The two spiders attempted to stop Tigatron escaping the Predacon base, but were tricked into being flattened by a boulder by Dinobot. They were the least damaged, however, and dragged the rest of the Predacons back to base. {{storylink|Before the Storm}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:OtherVoices2 possessed Blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Tarantulas feels pretty, oh so pretty...]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia offered to help Tarantulas break into the Maximal base to steal a stasis pod. They were able to use one of Blackarachnia&#039;s inventions to penetrate the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; shields and overcome Rhinox and Dinobot. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}} As Tarantulas worked to turn the stasis pod into an escape ship, Blackarachnia turned on him, intending to use the pod herself. They were interrupted by Inferno, who slagged Tarantulas, but Blackarachnia was easily able to defeat him in return. She linked to Tarantulas&#039;s mind to obtain the necessary information, and successfully completed modifying the pod... only to be captured by the Maximals. Optimus forced her to change the control codes to respond to him, so he could pilot the pod himself and destroy the [[Planet Buster]] weapon threatening the planet. But as she badmouthed the Maximals&#039; good-byes, she was subsequently knocked temporarily off-line by [[Airazor]], but as it happened, Megatron had sabotaged the transwarp cell, and Optimus was unable to eject before impact. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While attempting to escape from the Maximal base, Blackarachnia was shocked to discover that her earlier interfacing with Taratulas had resulted in a permanent mind-link between the two of them. Tarantulas was able to force her to take his body with her as she left the base. Though she was intercepted by Tigatron and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], Megatron happened to turn up at that point. He threatened to terminate Blackarachnia, but she talked her way out of it by pointing out the simple fact that Megatron&#039;s stock of troops was sorely depleted. Of course, during the inevitable battle, Tarantulas forced Blackarachnia to retreat with his body. {{storylink|Aftermath}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Returning to the Predacon base, Blackarachnia interrupted Dinobot stealing the [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]]s, but refused Tarantulas&#039;s order that she should try to get them back. Instead she repaired him, but discovered that the mind link persisted. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}} While Tarantulas went to help Megatron&#039;s latest battle, Blackarachnia dug through the base&#039;s computer for information on the Golden Disks and discovered important data, including the access codes to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. she was able to download it while Tarantulas was unconscious, and destroyed the computer. She later told Megatron and Tarantulas that Dinobot had destroyed the computer and the data lost. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The two spiders were later sent with new recruit [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] to build a refueling station in a cave full of energon. Tarantulas schemed to take over the cave himself and attempted to persuade Blackarachnia to join him, but soon realised she was hiding something from him. When he tried to rip the information from her mind, she cracked an energon cube, the radiation causing them both pain and forcing him to sever the mental link. He threatened to tear her apart, but was interrupted when Rattrap and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] arrived to fight. Silverbolt, much to Rattrap&#039;s annoyance, refused to strike Blackarachnia because she was female. In the end, Tarantulas used the battle as cover to fake the destruction of the cave, and the trio had to report their failure to Megatron. {{storylink|Tangled Web}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Dinobot attempted to defect back to the Predacons, Blackarachnia suggested he prove himself by fighting with Quickstrike. {{storylink|Maximal, No More}} During another alien incursion, Megatron took Blackarachnia and Inferno to the Maximal base, where they were able to overcome Rhinox, the sole Maximal there. Blackarachnia grabbed the alien [[Golden Disk (Vok)|Golden Disk]]. Megatron and Tarantulas colluded to work against the aliens, and when Megatron questioned why, Blackarachnia revealed that she had learned from the mind link that Tarantulas hated the aliens and wanted to destroy them. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 1)}} Though Blackarachnia was rendered unconscious by a blast from the [[Metal Hunter|alien construct]] that appeared, she was reactivated when Megatron took control of the construct and brought the other Predacons aboard. She was one of the Predacons sent out to defend the construct against the Maximals, but Tarantulas managed to infiltrate and destroy it anyway. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When an energon blast sent her and Silverbolt into the middle of the dense jungles, they were forced to work together. Though attracted to the [[Fuzor]], Blackarachnia was endlessly frustrated by his seemingly idiotic chivalry and need to treat her specially. Megatron, listening in via a [[synch-pulse transmitter]] he&#039;d planted on her, was disgusted by the obvious romance going on. Still Silverbolt and Blackarachnia worked together surprisingly well, saving each other&#039;s life in turns, and eventually defeating [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] with the help of Optimus and Cheetor. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Predacons attacked the valley of proto-humans, Blackarachnia was teamed with Inferno. She did considerable damage to Dinobot before being blasted herself. {{storylink|Code of Hero}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia took advantage of Silverbolt&#039;s obvious interest in her, meeting the Maximal at a secluded location to obtain a [[graviton generator]].  She used the generator to convert a stasis pod into a makeship hoversled, and later overheard Megatron giving a mission to Waspinator.  As the Maximals fought their way into the Predacon base, Blackarachnia emerged on her sled to encounter Silverbolt. Silverbolt refused a direct order from Optimus to shoot her, allowing her to leave and tail Waspinator instead. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} Silverbolt eventually caught up with Blackarachnia, who resorted to shooting him in order to try to get the point across that he should leave her alone. It didn&#039;t really work, and when the hoversled she was on hit Waspinator, Silverbolt saved her from plummeting to the ground. He subsequently joined her in digging into the side of the mountain they had been heading towards. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Finally they broke through into a huge cavern containing the Ark, and Blackarachnia explained the ship&#039;s significance to her companion. While she was keen to take the power for herself, Megatron arrived and knocked Silverbolt offline before caving in the tunnel they&#039;d dug. Having always intended for her to reach the Ark as he knew she had the access codes, Megatron threatened to vape Silverbolt unless she did what he said. Bitterly, she agreed to his demands, reluctantly opening the ship and, while Megatron went on, using the Ark&#039;s security system to hold off the Maximals. Megatron took the opportunity to attempt to assassinate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], potentially erasing the Maximals from history. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately for Megatron, Blackarachnia had originally been a Maximal protoform, and certainly wasn&#039;t willing to die for his cause. She activated [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I&#039;s]] security nets to force Megatron off the ship. With Silverbolt&#039;s help, she got the dying Autobot leader under life support and began the repairs. The Maximals were forced to accept her help, but while the Maximals were occupied with Megatron, Blackarachnia slipped out... only to be trapped by falling rocks, and slagged by Megatron during his escape. Silverbolt cradled her to his chest as she shut down, swearing vengeance until the other Maximals suggested he stop messing around and get her to a repair chamber. With no much other choice, Blackarachnia joined the Maximal ranks. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}} She even spent time on guard duty outside the base with Silverbolt. {{storylink|Deep Metal}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia quickly showed her usefulness to the Maximals, building a hand-powered [[subaquatic stealth vessel]] that could retrieve Sentinel from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;&#039;s underwater resting place. Rattrap was less than thrilled about having to use the &amp;quot;Predacon beach ball&amp;quot;. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cutting Edge Blackarachnia kids.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Actually just picking up lunch.]]&lt;br /&gt;
She was even less thrilled when she ended up having to escort two human children back to their tribe along with Cheetor, who was exhibiting a boyish crush on her, much to Silverbolt&#039;s annoyance. Rattrap was also rather distrusting of her, as earlier he had spied Blackarachnia sneaking some parts from a classified area. But when Megatron&#039;s new [[cyber raptor]]s attacked, Blackarachnia showed her good side by defending the children, even taking a hit from Tarantulas for them, which she immediately denied to an impressed Silverbolt by saying she slipped. With the cyber raptors defeated, she informed Cheetor that he was a nice kid - which were two strikes against him, so don&#039;t go looking for strike three. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] returned from a mission reporting that Cheetor had been destroyed trying to interfere with Megatron&#039;s experiment, however the Maximal had secretly brought back the [[Transmetal driver]], a component of Megatron&#039;s experiment. Though he tossed it into a pool of lava, Blackarachnia was able to grab it before it was destroyed. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}} She took part in the search for Cheetor, leading Silverbolt to develop jealousy at her apparent concern for their comrade. He later turned up with, it transpired, a new [[Transmetal 2]] body, which Blackarachnia took particular interest in. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Rhinox scanned her and found the [[shell program]] that made her a Predacon, Blackarachnia finally got fed up with Rattrap&#039;s attitude and Cheetor&#039;s crush, and would have choked/blasted them both if Optimus hadn&#039;t intervened. Weary that apparently she hadn&#039;t proven herself to the Maximals and thinking that Optimus and Rhinox were planning to force her to remove the shell, Blackarachnia decided to split... which turned out to be a bad decision, as [[Dinobot II]] had been waiting for this moment. Taking turns hunting each other, Blackarachnia got the upper hand but was caught off-guard by Dinobot&#039;s power and durability. Fleeing to a mesa, she was found by Silverbolt, who got in a fight with Dinobot and was about to be slagged. Blackarachnia shot him out of the way, then tried to make a deal with Dinobot to take over the Ark and the Predacons, which backfired and allowed Dinobot to stun her, but he was distracted by Silverbolt long enough for the two Maximals to finally defeat him. After an argument between the pair, where Blackarachnia was enraged that Silverbolt thought she&#039;d really been striking a deal with Dinobot instead of trying to con the villain, Optimus arrived to point out that the decision to remove the program had always been up to her. {{storylink|Proving Grounds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CrossingtheRubicron-newbody.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|80% more pointy edges!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Seeking more power, Blackarachnia attempted to use the Transmetal driver on herself. Silverbolt, not realizing what she was planning, bailed her out of the contraption. Like every good girlfriend, she began to chew him out, but was cut off as an energy surge made her lose control of her circuits. A security system Tarantulas installed had been triggered by her tampering with her core, and the only way to fix it was to cut the Predacon [[shell program]] loose. Reluctantly, she agreed, especially since this was a very difficult procedure that could lead to her death. With time running out, she passed the Ark&#039;s access codes on to Primal in case she didn&#039;t make it and shut herself down, leaving herself in Rhinox&#039;s care. Rhinox began the operation, but his tinkering tripped an alert in [[Tarantulas&#039;s lair]]. The Predacons got wind of what he was doing and mounted an attack on the Maximal base. The Maximals countered their attack, but the power was disrupted by a shot fired by Tarantulas at a critical stage. This apparently killed Blackarachnia. &lt;br /&gt;
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Distraught, Silverbolt took off to avenge her death, blinded by rage. However, in Silverbolt&#039;s absence, Blackarachnia&#039;s body attracted the attention of the Transmetal driver, and she was resurrected in a new Transmetal 2 form. She arrived just in time to save Silverbolt from Rampage. Rampage admitted that he liked her new look, but tried to kill her just the same. Surprisingly, Blackarachnia was able to disarm and stun the titanic Rampage, ultimately throwing him over the horizon using her webs. Silverbolt was, of course, overjoyed to see his beloved alive, but Blackarachnia told him to knock off the vengeful hero stuff so she wouldn&#039;t have to keep endangering herself with inevitable rescue attempts. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:MasterBlaster Blackarachnia beast mode.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Actually a real spider in [[Australia]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
Some time later, Blackarachnia returned to base to find the doors open. It was the result of Megatron&#039;s latest plan as it turned out, which involved Quickstrike taking control of Optimus Primal&#039;s body, rendering the other Maximals unconscious and placing them in a cage. Left in Rampage&#039;s &amp;quot;care&amp;quot;, Blackarachnia was able to use some sort of telekinesis to make a girder fly through the air and disable the Predacon. After dealing with Inferno, she went to release the other Maximals, only to run into Quickstrike and Primal. She freed Primal by disabling Quickstrike&#039;s control suit, and subsequently managed to stop the Ark&#039;s destruct sequence, which Tarantulas had set in motion, before rescuing the other Maximals and helping fight Megatron off. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When an object from space destroyed the Predacon base, Blackarachnia realised that the aliens had returned — in this case in the form of the Vok emissary [[Tigerhawk]]. She cut short Rattrap&#039;s celebrations by pointing out that when Tigerhawk had finished with the Predacons, he&#039;d probably come for them. {{storylink|Other Victories}} Tigerhawk, in fact, joined the Maximals. When Silverbolt was injured looking for the Predacons, Blackarachnia rode to his aid on Cheetor&#039;s back, and the pair took him back to base for repairs. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} After Megatron raised the &#039;&#039;[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]&#039;&#039; from the depths of the ocean, the Maximals struggled to prepare the Ark for moving. In search of something to make a power link, Blackarachnia grabbed Rattrap&#039;s tail-whip, snipping off the end and repurposing it as a power cable. Though the attempt to shift the Ark failed, Rhinox used a shuttle to defeat Megatron. The Maximals subsequently blasted off for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the shuttle. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia brought [[Fractyl (BW)|Fractyl]] back to reality after the Predacon scientist had been daydreaming about the worst case scenarios that would follow up his presentation to Megatron about his &amp;quot;[[energon armor]]&amp;quot;. When Fractyl expressed a desire to inform Megatron about the current progress of his experiements with [[furmanite]], Blackarachnia dissuaded him from doing so, secretly hoping to use Fractyl&#039;s invention for her own gain. She and Inferno continued to keep watch over Fractyl, until [[Packrat]] stumbled upon the scene, causing Inferno to lash out violently. In the confusion that followed, Packrat ran off, prompting Blackarachnia to order Inferno to pursue him. She then turned to Fractyl for an explanation to his armor&#039;s volatilie nature, only to learn that furmanite was, in truth, &amp;quot;anti-energon&amp;quot;. Realizing that if enough energon came into contact with the furmanite, it could spell doom for the entire planet, Blackarachnia went to fetch Megatron while Fractyl pursued the Maximal. When she and Megatron came upon Fractyl, he had retrieved the armor, and was sending a small group of Maximals fleeing. {{storylink|Ground Zero}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Blackarachnia had acquired her Transmetal 2 form, she and the other Maximals set out to investigate a temporal anomaly detected by Rhinox. They encountered the Predacons en-route. The two factions were locked in a firefight, though the advantage lay with the Predacons. After Megatron took off to reach the time-traveler that both teams had previously detected, Optimus was forced to pursue him, leaving his troops against insurmountable odds. Blackarachnia was sure to voice her displeasure over the situation. The Predacons eventually began to push the Maximals back towards a cliffside. Then, suddenly, Predacon fire ceased entirely. The situation had not become any safer however, the Maximals now had to contend with [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]], the aforementioned time-traveler, possessed by Unicron&#039;s dark essence. Though Windrazor was able to expunge Unicron from his systems, the much more powerful Shockaract appeared immediately aftwerwards... {{storylink|Herald, Covenant, Schism, Paradox|Paradox}}&lt;br /&gt;
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This led to Blackarachnia participating in [[Point Omega]], a battle that would determine the fate of all Cybertronians. She was eviscerated by [[Shokaract]]&#039;s firepower. She got better as space-time rebooted itself with the disappearance of the [[Dark Essence]] from the past, and these events were erased from her timeline. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Not long after Megatron took the original Megatron&#039;s spark into himself, he had Quickstrike deliver a device to the Maximal base which amplified the Maximals&#039; aggression. Blackarachnia was attacked by Rhinox before escaping while Silverbolt distracted him. Once Optimus Primal was able to overcome the device&#039;s effects and free the other Maximals, they attempted unsuccessfully to capture Megatron in one of Blackarachnia&#039;s webs. {{storylink|A Meeting of Minds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After the Maximals returned to Cybertron, Blackarachia was trying to persuade Silverbolt that it was all right for them to resume their romance after Megatron&#039;s apparent death, when they were attacked by a strange zombie-like creature. After it zapped Silverbolt, she unsuccessfully tried to attack it in retaliation. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Autobot shuttle crashed on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the Maximal team was gassed, Blackarachnia&#039;s Transmetal 2 powers were stripped away from her, as were her memories. As such, the amnesiac Maximal decided to head underground, distraught and confused. Locked out of her [[robot mode]], she awaited her imminent deactivation...until the other three survivors—an equally disoriented [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]—plunged into her web. Primal made the decision to head underground, and Blackarachnia complied, using her webs to grant them safe passage. However, in her weakened state her webbing was limited, and so the foursome plummeted most of the way down into the chamber of the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]]. She watched as Optimus emerged in his [[technorganic]] form, and she was the fourth and last Maximal to be [[Reformatting|reformatted]], emerging as a pink black widow spider with green markings. When attacked by a squadron of Cycle Drones, she put her technorganic mode to good use, trapping one of the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] in a tangle of web. {{storylink|The Reformatting}} &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniamasterofthehouse.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|That&#039;s not a forehead. That&#039;s a five or sixhead.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Under Primal&#039;s tutelage, Cheetor and Blackarachnia relearned the ability to transform, and the Maximals set about finding a new base. Blackarachnia managed to goad Cheetor into accompanying her aboveground to find out what had happened to the residents of Cybertron. They accessed the [[Cybertron InfoCore]], only to find it had been wiped. The Maximals visited the [[Council Citadel]], allowing Blackarachnia to test her new powers in combat, including an ability to fire electrical &amp;quot;stings&amp;quot; through the ground. To her shock, they discovered that the mastermind behind the cleansing of Cybertron was none other than Megatron. {{storylink|Master of the House}} During an attempt to access the [[Cybertron Archives]], she received a vision of prehistoric [[Earth]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. She sneaked off to the spaceport to consult the records of their arrival and was followed by Rattrap. As well as encountering Megatron&#039;s new, sentient [[Vehicon general]]s, they discovered that there had been six occupants in the shuttle. Seeking more information, Blackarachnia attempted to access the logs from the shuttle itself, only for Megatron to attempt to access her own mind, and she was only prevented from revealing the location of the Maximal base by Rattrap severing the link. The pair were subsequently rescued by Primal and Cheetor, but Blackarachnia&#039;s information reawakened memories of Rhinox and Silverbolt in them all. {{storylink|Fires of the Past}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Rattrap&#039;s use of a transformation enhancer got the Maximals captured by Megatron for a short time, but during their escape, Optimus reported that [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]&#039;s spark seemed familiar. {{storylink|Mercenary Pursuits}} Blackarachnia and crew later discovered the bat-creature [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]], who led them to a strange, organic fruit tree. Upon eating the fruit, Blackarachnia began to revert to her instinctual &amp;quot;animal&amp;quot; mind, and it was only thanks to [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] that her feral mind returned to normal, and thanks to Primal that the bat&#039;s life was saved and reformatted into a technorganic body. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}} After another mission was fouled up by Rattrap&#039;s antics during Optimus&#039;s convalescence from reformatting Nightscream, the remaining Maximals discussed what they needed to do about Rattrap. Blackarachnia was irritated by Rattrap&#039;s uselessness, but Cheetor asserted that they had to cover for their friend. They were shocked to find a while later that Rattrap had overheard them and taken up with Megatron in exchange for weapons. Primal talked Rattrap around, scolding the other Maximals that they undervalued their teammate. {{storylink|The Weak Component}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Revelations3 Blackarachnia closeup.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|She looks a bit more normal when she closes the extra eyes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Later, the group stumbled across one of Megatron&#039;s many Transformer junkyards, where the lifeless, [[spark]]less bodies of the city&#039;s inhabitants were disposed of. When [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] and Blackarachnia were split up from the battle, the two made an unofficial truce, but when Thrust saved her life and her spark, having strange recollections of doing so before, her mind was set: He was Silverbolt, mutated and made evil by Megatron. She resolved to get her lover back, but didn&#039;t reveal to the other Maximals that she believed Thrust was Silverbolt. {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery|Discovery}} When Cheetor enacted a subsequent plan to try to hack into Tankor, Blackarachnia volunteered to keep Thrust busy. She made numerous appeals to Thrust to try to bring out his Maximal nature, but Thrust was hesitant and was soon bullied into extracting her spark by [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent|Descent}} As her spark rocketed into the darkness, Nightscream fought Jetstorm for it. At the same time, on another plane of existence, Blackarachnia encountered Primal, who calmed her astral spirit down, at the same time allowing Nightscream to restore it and bring her back. She and Nightscream were able to come to Cheetor and Rattrap&#039;s aid, but they had found that Tankor was really Rhinox, and their old friend was now siding with Megatron&#039;s view of a technological Cybertron. {{storylink|Revelations Part III: Apocalypse|Apocalypse}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Survivor Blackarachnia beast mode head.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Nine eyes, then two, now &#039;&#039;six&#039;&#039;: fourth time lucky?]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Nightscream was snatched away by the Vehicons, the other Maximals gave pursuit. Blackarachnia&#039;s hesitation in attacking Thrust allowed the Vehicon to pursue Primal and Nightscream, who had discovered a [[fossil cave|cave full of fossils]], proving Cybertron was once organic. {{storylink|Survivor}} When Tankor gained control of the [[Key to Vector Sigma]] and &amp;quot;infected&amp;quot; Nightscream and the new orchard with the Key, Blackarachnia quickly found that the [[organic goo]] they&#039;d just discovered was a cure to the [[technomatter]]. While the other Maximals went to get a mole drone, Blackarachnia stayed behind to look after Nightscream, only to be infected by him and temporarily lose her own sanity. The other Maximals eventually returned with a drone and were able to cure her. {{storylink|The Key}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Sorry, your boyfriend was behind door number 2!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Taking a vial of the goo, Blackarachnia kidnapped Thrust, trapping him in a web and using the goo to force out his inner personality, in the expectation that Silverbolt would emerge. Instead, she discovered that Thrust was [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], who&#039;d flown to Cybertron from prehistoric Earth. When Jetstorm attacked, another mishap with the organic goop occurred, and for a moment Silverbolt&#039;s true personality emerged, sweeping Blackarachnia in his arms. However, as he and Waspinator fought over Blackarachnia, the goo vanished from the both of them, and the Vehicons&#039; minds both returned. Blackarachnia was swiftly rescued by the other Maximals, riding a giant vine created by a catalyst which Rattrap had found. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was involved in the battle in Megatron&#039;s Citadel, holding off the Vehicons as Primal confronted Megatron within, though she, along with the others, were all overwhelmed by the Key to Vector Sigma and became comatose. {{storylink|End of the Line}} The clashing energies of the Key and the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] restored the four Maximals to life. Entering the Council Citadel, they found that the battle had claimed Primal, Megatron and Tankor. They headed for the Oracle in search of guidance, where they found Optimus Primal floating within, and they convinced him to return to real-space and continue his leadership.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals returned to the surface to find a [[Grand Mal|giant floating head]] in the likeness of Megatron. {{storylink|Fallout (episode)|Fallout}} Blackarachnia and Nightscream tried unsuccessfully to infiltrate the head. Leaving Optimus to try and contact Megatron&#039;s spark, the other Maximals went to find the two remaining Vehicon generals and encountered a strange, organic Transformer named [[Noble (BM)|Noble]], who changed from a wolf into the dragon-like Savage. {{storylink|Savage Noble}} The Maximals later infiltrated the Council Citadel, looking for information, only to discover that Noble was actually Megatron, trapped in his own organic half. Megatron used [[spark extractor]]s to remove his spark, taking over the huge, flying head and reactivating the Vehicon drone army, which forced the Maximals back underground. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniasilverboltdarkestknight.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Vamp meets goth.]]&lt;br /&gt;
When Rattrap revealed he&#039;s created a device he hoped could be used to restore the stolen sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia &amp;quot;borrowed&amp;quot; it. She managed to force Jetstorm into a large pool of the organic goo, and his body began to change. Scanning a nearby condor skeleton, he awoke in a new form, a purple technorganic bird of prey. Blackarachnia was startled by the change in him. Instead of the lovable, chivalrous knight in shining armor, he was a brittle, haunted bot, tormented by the images of the evil deeds he had done...done by choice. Though he gave up on himself, she never did, urging Silverbolt to forgive his past, prompting him to head to the Grand Mal to confront his old master and rescue Primal and Cheetor. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia continued to assure Silverbolt that things would get better. After Silverbolt inadvertently spread a new, [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]-enhanced version of the old [[Hate Plague]], causing dissension in the ranks, he blamed himself, but she and the other Maximals were supportive. {{storylink|A Wolf in the Fold}} Later, when a Maximal spaceship crashed, the Maximals split up to reach it in time. As they did, Blackarachnia confided to Rattrap that she&#039;d found Silverbolt increasingly cold towards her. At the ship, they encountered a strange, alien plant monster, which Primal reformatted, revealing it to be [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]], a fellow Maximal. {{storylink|Home Soil}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals would soon encounter two new Vehicon generals, [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]], whose gambit almost defeated them until Botanica stepped in. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|The Strike}} Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were teamed up with Cheetor during a search for the missing sparks. Though Silverbolt was uncomfortable about following someone he still regarded as a kid, Blackarachnia defended Cheetor. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}} The Maximals attempted to infiltrate the Grand Mal to find the missing sparks, only to discover that Megatron was using them to fuel his great ascension. Nightscream&#039;s intercession appeared to dispel the Vehicon leader&#039;s spark. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege|The Siege}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltblackarachniaseedsofthefuture.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Eeek! That smile! Go back to glowering!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Maximals had celebrated, Blackarachnia tried to talk to Silverbolt, believing now was the time for them to renew their romance. Silverbolt was not convinced of Megatron&#039;s demise, and in fact, he was right: Megatron still lived as a disembodied and depolarized spark. The pair found themselves being attacked by a zombie of pieced-together Vehicon parts, animated by the power of Megatron&#039;s spark. Megatron was later trapped in a [[Diagnostic Drone]] by Rattrap. {{storylink|Spark of Darkness}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt, Blackarachnia and Nightscream attacked the Vehicons while the others attempted to secure the sparks in the Grand Mal. They were subsequently able to put Megatron&#039;s Vehicon factory out of commission, but the Grand Mal itself was brought down. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral|The Downward Spiral}} Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were able to share a quiet moment before the final battle, and they received a spark power-up from the collective population of Cybertron. However, they were both felled during battle by Obsidian and Thrust, respectively. Their sparks were then torn from them by cycle drones. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|When Legends Fall}} Though unable to assist physically, Blackarachnia and the other Maximals were able to give moral support to Primal during his final battle against Megatron, which resulted in the sacrifice of both leaders and the reformatting of Cybertron into a technorganic paradise. With harmony restored, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were finally able to be together. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Seeds of the Future}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after Cybertron underwent the [[Great Reformatting]], the [[Quintesson]]s seized the opportunity to attack, believing that the revolutionary change would have rendered the planets&#039; inhabitants confused and docile. Suffice to say, the Transformers were greatly underestimated. Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were successfully able to fend [[Cybertropolis]] from Quintesson invaders. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniaabduction.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|She stabbed my basketball, and the speakers to my stereo!]]&lt;br /&gt;
One year later, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were chosen to greet a ship of returning Autobot heroes from the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. Their welcomes were ignored by the crew, which included [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]], and [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], when they realized that their home had been transformed into a strange technorganic paradise. Only [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was unphased, choosing to talk up Blackarachnia and Silverbolt so that he could mug for [[Rook (Universe)|Rook&#039;s]] cameras. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TFU Blackarachnia vs Rattrap.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|Hey, guys, I turned evil again!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Their greeting was interrupted by a series of what appeared to be fireworks. Instead, they were beams of energy sent by [[Unicron]] to capture the returning crew, Blackarachnia, and Silverbolt, and bring them to him. When they arrived, a booming voice welcomed them to the [[Pit]], a dimension inside Unicron. Blackarachnia and her fellow captives were painfully smelted down and reformed; only Trailbreaker emerged unchanged. Since she arrived, Blackarachnia had begun to feel a growing anger that she couldn&#039;t control. And in this new Unicron-tainted form, she more than welcomed the swarm of creatures that began swarming her group. Overwhelmed, Blackarachnia and the others were herded into the [[Cauldron]] and filed into prison cells. As Blackarachnia protested, she was silenced by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]], one of their hosts.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was revealed to them by the master of ceremonies, [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]], that they would be forced to fight fellow abducted Transformers. The loser&#039;s [[spark]] would fuel and empower Unicron, whose form had fallen into disrepair. Blackarachnia&#039;s uncontrollable rage welcomed this bloodsport, as Silverbolt watched helplessly as she fell under Unicron&#039;s evil spell. {{storylink|Abduction}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Optimus Primal, resurrected by [[Primus]], arrived to rescue the prisoners of the Cauldron, and with help from Silverbolt and Trailbreaker, its captives were set free. But Unicron&#039;s grip on Blackarachnia was too strong. She began lashing out madly, even at Silverbolt, and the Fuzor took tight hold of her so that he might swiftly remove her from Unicron&#039;s grip. But as the others began jumping through a portal that would lead them to their respective homes across the [[multiverse]], Blackarachnia had a moment of clarity. Sadly, she told Silverbolt that Unicron had awakened her &#039;&#039;true&#039;&#039; nature, then bid him farewell and threw him through the portal. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Closure? Maybe?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Soon, she was escorted by Tankor and [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] to the center of Unicron, where she was repulsed to meet a familiar face: Tarantulas! {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was dispatched to Cybertron&#039;s [[Undercity]], where she observed Rattrap for a while. Finally, she made her presence known, stinging him with her cybervenom. She never had liked the vermin, after all. Suddenly, Rattrap was saved by [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], back from the dead. Blackarachnia was knocked out, and Depth Charge left the weakened Rattrap to fend for himself. As Depth Charge departed, he found himself surrounded by Blackarachnia&#039;s [[Piranacon (Universe)|Piranacons]]. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Much later, Optimus Primal waged one last desperate assault against Unicron, and his [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]] were able to defeat the [[Minion of Unicron|Minions of Unicron]]. As Unicron himself seemed to dissolve below them, Silverbolt carried Blackarachnia with him, saving her from sharing the gruesome fate of her evil peers. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Soon after [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]&#039;s intrusion into the Beast Wars, Blackarachnia joined a battle between Maximals and Predacons. {{storylink|Optimus Primal Chapter}} Blackarachnia faced off against Dinobot, who attacked with his Dino Sabel. {{storylink|Dinobot Chapter}} Blackarachnia counterattacked with her Anchor Shot. {{storylink|Blackarachnia Chapter}} The battle was joined by [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s from another universe, {{storylink|Tigatron Chapter}} and the collective Maximal/Autobot forces faced off against their opposite factions. {{storylink|Motorarm Chapter}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As the victorious Maximals travelled forward in time from prehistoric Earth to far-future Cybertron in [[Primax 496.22 Alpha]], their shuttle was suddenly struck by a powerful force of darkness. This was the result of the temporal machinations of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in [[OG World|Primax 785.06 Alpha]] and the [[Alternity]]&#039;s response effort to repair the timeline. However, these events resulted in two copies of the Maximals&#039; shuttle being created: one copy went on home to Cybertron where its crew would participate in the [[Spark War]] while the other was hurled into the early 21st century of [[BT World|Primax 903.0 Beta]]. [[Unicron]] observed the shuttle and destroyed it, scattering most of the crew into [[transwarp]] space. Blackarachnia, however, was forced by Unicron to aid him in his efforts to destroy the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Her spark was placed inside the silver Beta Unit Honda S-2000 Aero Style body intended for the Autobot warrior [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], and her mind was overwhelmed by an evil essence that forced her to do Unicron&#039;s bidding.&lt;br /&gt;
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Still possessing her extrasensory Transmetal 2 powers including telekinesis, Blackarachnia gained several additional weapons courtesy of her new form: a long-range Venom Sniper Gun that fired system-disrupting energy bullets, a defensive riot shield that projected an electromagnetic field from its edge, and the ability to fire strong artificial webs from her grill, exhaust pipe and hands in robot mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was partnered with the newly-created [[Decepticharge]] and dispatched to confront [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]&#039;s forces on Earth. Finding them in the middle of a [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]-led uprising, the pair put down the rebellion and ordered the Decepticons to defeat [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and destroy the Matrix.&lt;br /&gt;
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While forced to act as a Decepticon, Blackarachnia&#039;s true self remained intact but submerged, struggling to overcome Unicron&#039;s control and desperate to correct the warped Binaltech timeline.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|This information was originally [[authorial intent]] which never made it into official fiction due to the cancellation of the &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia toy. Years later, the Facebook version of [[Ask Vector Prime]] would canonize it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Primax 208.06 Zeta]], the machinations of the [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from [[Primax 206.15 Gamma]] resulted in the local Predacons defeating the Maximals, prompting the [[Vok]] to attempt to sterilize their experiment. Blackarachnia was killed when Megatron tricked her into destroying the Vok weapon while she was trying to escape Earth. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Metals&#039;&#039; comic===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BlackarachniaMetalsMangaDrop.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Are those high heels or platform shoes?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Following the [[Quantum surge]], Blackarachnia was one of the few Transformers &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; to be upgraded into a [[Transmetal]]. As [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] and his armies laid siege to the weakened Maximal base, Blackarachnia waited in secret for an opening. When [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] was forced to shut [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] down to let an injured [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] in, Blackarachnia saw her chance and entered the base. Knocking out Airazor and ripping [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]&#039;s arm off, Blackarachnia confronted Rhinox. Rhinox proceeded to pull out a &amp;quot;gun&amp;quot;, but instead of shooting her with it, he blasted himself in the head (the &amp;quot;gun&amp;quot; actually being a machine allowing him to enter [[Transwarp]] space). Confused, but seeing no further use for the Maximals, Blackarachnia left the base. As the base collapsed behind her, she was approached by Quickstrike, who didn&#039;t like her &amp;quot;interfering&amp;quot; with his business. Not in the mood, she immediately kicked his head off. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 1|Beast Wars Metals #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She later teamed with Tarantulas in confronting Tigatron. Tarantulas was promptly cut in two by the Maximal, though Blackarachnia blocked his sword with her legs and was able to escape with her comrade&#039;s body. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 2|Beast Wars Metals #2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Tarantulas recovered and took control of Tigatron&#039;s mind. Blackarachnia disapproved of such an invasive attack, but Tarantulas ignored her. While Airazor fought to save Tigatron&#039;s mind and body, Blackarachnia had a change of heart and decapitated Tarantulas with her thighs. She then entered the battle to help Airazor, but was shot in the back by Tarantulas&#039; headless body. Ultimately, Tigatron&#039;s mind was saved, but Airazor died in the process. With nobody noticing, Blackarachnia slunk away to the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039;. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 4|Beast Wars Metals #4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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There, she met the severed head of Megatron and disapproved of his plan to kill the sleeping Optimus Prime and disrupt the timestream. She kicked his head into a lava pit, but this only allowed Megatron to merge with the spark of [[Megatron (G1)|his ancestor]] and become even more powerful. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 5|Beast Wars Metals #5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Megatron was killed and the Maximals reunited, Blackarachnia encountered Silverbolt and the two immediately hit it off. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 6|Beast Wars Metals #6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia followed [[Reptilion|Reptillion]]{{sic}} in battle against [[Optimus Primal]] and his Autobot forces. She teamed up with [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] to fight [[Striker]] before being abducted by [[Acheron|a mysterious ship]], which was bringing the Decepticons to [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Universe CD-ROM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Scavengerblackarachniaalphatriontranscendent.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Silverbolt would not approve.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Though she may appear to be a native of [[Axiom Nexus]], Blackarachnia was brought online in a [[Primax 209.0 Gamma|far different universe]]. On a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] where the Autobots and Decepticons had grown too decrepit to carry on the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], they constructed proxy armies in the form of the [[Maximal]]s and Predacons. As a result from her first moments Blackarachnia knew only strife and combat. Increasingly questioning the orders of her Autobot masters, the breaking point came with the death of her colleagues Silverbolt and Rhinox. She conspired with [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] and together they killed their commander, Optimus Primal. &lt;br /&gt;
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Joined by the malcontent Predacons [[Immorticon (BW)|Immorticon]] and [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]], they fled and activated an experimental [[transwarp]] device, hoping to escape Cybertron. Instead, they found themselves in Axiom Nexus. After processing, they were placed in the care of [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. He convinced her that the [[Transcendent Technomorph]]s who ruled the city were little different from the Autobots under whose yoke she had chafed. Under his tender ministrations, her spark was transferred from her Lowtech body into that of her Transcendent Technomorph [[Blackarachnia (TransTech)|counterpart]], with the authorities of Axiom Nexus none the wiser. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors&#039; Club issue 25|&amp;quot;TransTech&amp;quot; Blackarachnia&#039;s profile in Club magazine #25}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus upgraded, she joined Alpha Trion&#039;s insurrectionist organization, and was part of the raid on [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]&#039;s laboratory in the hopes of rescuing [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]. Blackarachnia and her comrades successfully stormed into Shockwave&#039;s inner sanctum, where they came face-to-face with the formidable [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} Despite that rather severe obstacle, Blackarachnia and the Alpha Trion&#039;s minions managed to secure the transit room and transwarp to the Old One&#039;s original universal stream. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other side of the transwarp portal, Alpha Trion ordered Blackarachnia to prepare the cloaking device in order to keep his return a secret. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Regeneration One&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
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As the Dark [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] creature tortured [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Circuit Smasher]] with visions of his [[Sparkplug Witwicky|dead father]] in [[Zero Space]], cracks began to appear in the membrane of infinite worlds. Through one, Blackarachnia could be seen alongside [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]], [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], [[Gas Skunk]] and [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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An image of Blackarachnia carrying a Maximal flag and being led by [[Primal Prime]] into battle (presumably taken during the [[Quintesson]] invasion) hung in the Cybertronian Knights headquarters. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A Decepticon believed to have been killed by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], Blackarachnia had in fact survived and made her way into [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]&#039;s [[Cerebros (G1)|head]], corrupting the giant&#039;s brain and turning him into a mindless, violent zombie. She was eventually discovered and defeated by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Tunnel Rat]], restoring Maximus to normal. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Transformers Celebration 2014|Transformers Celebration 2014}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Head of Partying, Cheetor|Head of Partying, Cheetor}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#President Mega&#039;s Requests|President Mega&#039;s Requests}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#President Mega&#039;s Studies|President Mega&#039;s Studies}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Christmas|Bonus Chapter: Christmas}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Widow-chan at Work|Widow-chan at Work}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Deckss x Q-Transformers Collaboration Event Report|Bonus Chapter: Deckss x Q-Transformers Collaboration Event Report}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Lord Megatron Goes to the Legends World|Lord Megatron Goes to the Legends World}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Widow-chan&#039;s Usual Day|Widow-chan&#039;s Usual Day}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#The Autumn Megatron Festival|The Autumn Megatron Festival}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 14}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 15}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 17}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Windblade6-blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Be careful, or she&#039;ll split push all of your towers!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia the &amp;quot;Fateweaver&amp;quot; was a Transformer born on the planet [[Eukaris]] from the [[hot spot]] inside the [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitan]] [[Chela]]. She considered herself to be the prophet of [[Onyx Prime (G1)|Onyx Prime]], even though her psychic powers set her apart from the other citizens of Eukaris. Blackarachnia chose to live the life of a hermit, away from the feuding tribes of her planet. In the past, she had been known to take in other outcasts, under the condition that they dedicated their lives to her.&lt;br /&gt;
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One evening, she was visited by Airazor and Tigatron, who had witnessed a [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|pair of]] [[Devastator (G1)|combiners]] from Cybertron fighting in nearby [[Talon Valley]]. Blackarachnia used her abilities to consult the &amp;quot;Web of Time&amp;quot;, and foresaw the coming of Cybertronians to their planet. &lt;br /&gt;
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Not long afterwards, Blackarachnia was present to greet Starscream and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as they emerged from the [[space bridge]]. Blackarachnia revealed to Windblade that she had experienced visions of [[Caminus]] prior to their meeting. Windblade used her Camien heritage to try and parley favor from the Eukariens, but the arrival of &amp;quot;standard-formers&amp;quot; reawakened Chela - another part of a prophecy that Blackarachnia had forseen. The two Cybertronians were able to put down the mad Titan; although Windblade was saddened by the loss Blackarachnia consoled her by telling her that the death of Chela was but the first step towards changing Eukaris for the better. &lt;br /&gt;
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Eukaris agreed to join the [[Council of Worlds]]; Blackarachnia decided that Tigatron and Airrazor&#039;s status as outcasts would make them ideal delegates. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon arriving on &amp;quot;[[Earth|Planet Energon]],&amp;quot; the dangers of Energon radiation forced the six surviving Predacons and their Maximal adversaries to take on beast alternate forms. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia joined her fellow Predacons in battling not only the persistent Maximal resistance, but the interdimensional monsters known as the [[Skriix]].&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|In the Maximal campaign, the stasis pod that would contain Blackarachnia is instead rescued by the Maximals, producing [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. It is thus questionable whether or not Blackarachnia even exists in this specific version of the Beast Wars.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Blackarachnia&#039;s stasis pod landed in the &amp;quot;Polluted Area,&amp;quot; it was secured by the Predacons whom she subsequently joined. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Note|Due to the nature of this game, a player may select various individual characters to perform the feats required in every level, and complete the game&#039;s narrative. Thus, any playable Maximal can fill the role of protagonist in Maximal Mode, and any playable Predacon can fill the role of protagonist in Predacon Mode. To view the various feats Blackarachnia can accomplish throughout gameplay in Predacon Mode, it is told on the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; video game]] page, wherein Blackarachnia fills the role of the nameless Predacon.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (N64)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Janet-Laine Green]] (English), ? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:N64Blackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I&#039;m... sure she has a nice personality... wait, no. No, she doesn&#039;t.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Transmetal Blackarachnia joined her fellow Predacons in distributing various one-on-one beat downs to the Maximals. Eventually, Silverbolt convinced her to defect to the Maximals but she never truly reformed. It was her betrayal at a key moment that eventually assured the Maximals victory in the Beast Wars. Once back on Cybertron, she worked as a double-agent between the Maximal and [[Tripredacus Council]] with no loyalty to either side. She often pondered what would have happened if she had remained on the Predacon team throughout the war. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the Nintendo 64 version of the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters&#039; pages for Blackarachnia’s fate in those outcomes.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (PS)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Janet-Laine Green]] (English), ? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers Legends&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
Alongside Waspinator and Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia came upon the crash-site of a large stasis pod marked with a red &amp;quot;X&amp;quot;. Find the Maximal Silverbolt already there, a battle ensued. When the content of the pod was accidentally let loose, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were blown away from the fight by the newly emerged Rampage, and sent flying into a hostile swamp. Finding that they need to rely on one another to survive, Blackarachnia is slowly won over by Silverbolt&#039;s chivalrous attitude, despite them being on opposing side of a war. Eventually returning to where Waspinator, Terrorsaur, and a recently arrived Depth Charge continue to do battle with Rampage, all present manage to defeat Rampage just as Megatron arrives on-site. {{storylink|When Sparks Fly}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Battle Tactics&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BattleTacticsBlackarachnia.jpg|thumb|left|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of her! {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Beast Wars===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniabwtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|When she chokes you she can taste your fear.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 1996/1997)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;D-8&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:Blackarachnia&#039;s original toy is a [[redeco]] of the [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] mold, transforming into a rather generic-looking organic spider. It features a removable spring-loaded launcher hidden in its beast mode abdomen. It nominally fires the &amp;quot;grappling hook&amp;quot; attached to its abdomen by a string, but its front four beast mode legs can also be removed and used as ammunition. Like all first-year &#039;&#039;[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, the robot mode head has both a &amp;quot;robot&amp;quot; face and a [[mutant head|&amp;quot;mutant&amp;quot; face]]; Blackarachnia is always depicted in fiction using the &amp;quot;robot&amp;quot; one (or a rough approximation thereof).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BW-toy BlackarachniaTakara.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|She might have an F-cup...or an E.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release of the toy has numerous color differences from the [[Hasbro]] version, but they are of dubious merit as far as making her more &amp;quot;show-accurate&amp;quot; go. The bright green of the Hasbro version&#039;s forearms is replaced with dull silver, while the brighter purple is replaced with a darker, more desaturated purple. Her dark copper paint is replaced with a brighter gold. Her robot mode facemask is painted gold, which is closer to the show model... but her face beneath is black with gold eyes (instead of gold with black eyes), and she inexplicably gains a new painted-black forehead crest, where the show model has gold.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was later used to make the [[Tarantulas (BW)|&amp;quot;Beast Wars 10th Anniversary&amp;quot; version of Tarantulas]], and the &#039;&#039;[[#BW10J|Beast Wars Telemocha]]&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia. It was intended to be used to make [[#UnUni|a second &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia]], but that toy set was canceled.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Deluxe BW Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:VS8-TigatronBlackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Battle of the redecos.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Deep Forest Showdown: Tigatron VS Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (VS set, 1997)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;VS-8&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:In Japan, &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot; was available both as an individual and in a &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; pack with [[Tigatron]]. Both toys were identical to their individual releases.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|BWMcD}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniamctm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|She&#039;s got a great personality.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Happy Meal promotion, 1998)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;5&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions|McDonald&#039;s]] &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Happy Meal pack-in, Blackarachnia&#039;s &amp;quot;[[Transmetal]]&amp;quot; form resembles some sort of dust mite more than a spider, though it does have a black widow-esque hour-glass shape on the abdomen. It has a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; similar transformation to the earlier promotional figure [[Beetle]].&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like the other two Transmetal Happy Meal figures, Blackarachnia has some metallic-sheened plastic intended to resemble the colored chromed finish of the retail &#039;&#039;Transmetals&#039;&#039; toys. &lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s BW Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|TM2}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BW-toy BlackarachniaTM2.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|&#039;Sup, bra.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Transmetal 2, 1999)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;C-48&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Mandible grapnel-line&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Transmetal 2 version of Blackarachnia transforms into a large, organic/mechanical, monstrous spider, featuring a [[Retractable string gimmick|grappling hook]], switching [[Insignia|faction symbols]] activated by [[#TriviaTM2spark|rotating her spark crystal around]], and a spring-loaded spin-kick action feature. She also has a half-assed &amp;quot;defense mode&amp;quot;, bringing the chromed abdomen bits down to cover her chest. Like all larger Transmetal 2s, Blackarachnia has hints of an abandoned &amp;quot;transport&amp;quot; mode, mainly the free-spinning wheels and concealed rockets in the spider mode abdomen.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This toy was initially hard to find at retail, as one of the toy&#039;s features, a piece of removable chest armor (no, really), was altered slightly, delaying later shipments.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was used to make the [[BotCon 2000]] [[exclusive]] [[Arcee (G1)#Toys|Arcee]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beast Machines===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Beast Machines Blackarachnia Toy.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|In &#039;&#039;Beast Machines,&#039;&#039; Silverbolt doubled his bird and so did she.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2000)&lt;br /&gt;
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:An early toy in the &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]&#039;&#039; line, Blackarachnia transforms into a [[technorganic]] spider. In spider mode, squeezing its pedipalps together raises its central fangs; they were spring-loaded to release and lower, respectively. In keeping with the early &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;articulated features&amp;quot; motif, her robot mode head has a multi-piece articulated brow, which can slide up to reveal two extra sets of eyes, as she does on the cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was later redecoed to make the [[#UniDx|&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia]], as well as [[Crystal Widow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Beast Machines Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniamcbm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This is transformed correctly, right? Right?]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Happy Meal, 2000)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: ??&lt;br /&gt;
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:As one of &#039;&#039;ten&#039;&#039; toys in the third Transformers McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal promotion, Blackarachnia is a super-simplified version of her retail toy, with a coloration closer to the [[Mainframe Entertainment|Mainframe]] CG model, though more shockingly pink rather than maroon. This toy is designed for the younger set, with softer plastic and no removable parts.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She is the only [[Beast Era]] character to get two McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal toys.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/McBlackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s BM Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|BWR}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniabeastwarsreturnstoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What a maroon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;BR-04&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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: Part of the Japanese Toys &amp;quot;R&amp;quot; Us-[[exclusive]] &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars Returns]]&#039;&#039; series, this toy is a redeco of the original &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia in a more show-like maroon coloration. Reportedly, this toy was limited to 3000 pieces, a full thousand &#039;&#039;less&#039;&#039; than the others in the original assortment. Since she was also the most changed from the US release in the initial batch of toys, this made her considerably harder to get.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Universe (2003)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|UniDx}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniauniversetoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You can pick your faction, and you can pick your girlfriend, but you can&#039;t pick your girlfriend&#039;s faction.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, Blackarachnia returned as a [[Decepticon]] and as a redeco of [[#BMDx1|the original &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; figure]]. However, her forearms were [[Misassembly|mistakenly swapped]], leaving her forearm &amp;quot;spikes&amp;quot; pointing up towards her biceps rather than down near her elbows. She received a Decepticon [[Insignia|faction symbol]] over her [[spark crystal]] as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold (with the same swapped-forearms error) was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Universe Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|UnUni}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachnia unreleased.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eyow.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Leatherhide Vs. Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Halloween Horrorcon value pack, unreleased)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:In 2004, a group of test-shots made their way onto eBay, among them a [[redeco]] of the original &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Tarantulas/Blackarachnia mold in black with silver spider-legs and salmon-colored robot parts. Later, Hasbro&#039;s official website checklist featured listings for two &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;Halloween [[Horrorcon (Universe)|Horrorcon]] Value Packs&amp;quot; that were to be Wal-Mart [[exclusive]]s... which also likely explains why they were canceled. (Wal*Mart had taken a good half-dozen exclusives and released them more-or-less simultaneously, leading to a huge glut. A lot of other &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; exclusives were canceled during the &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; era.) One of the sets was &amp;quot;[[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]] Vs. Blackarachnia&amp;quot;... and thus, the mystery spider was confirmed, as the other test-shots in that group lined up with the name listings given in the sets.&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://s33.photobucket.com/user/binalternator/library/unreleased/halloween_horrorcons?sort=4&amp;amp;page=1 Gallery of Halloween Horrorcon test-shots]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniatelemocha.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It almost works!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TM-06&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:As part of the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha]]&#039;&#039; line, the [[#Dx1|original Blackarachnia toy]] was &#039;&#039;extensively&#039;&#039; redecoed with a ridiculous number of gold [[paint operation]]s, making her closer to [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] in coloration than the other versions of the mold, but still not quite there. (Her shoulders are silver in the show.) All of the [[gimmick]]s of the original toy were retained, though her alternate head didn&#039;t receive any paint that wasn&#039;t intended to make her nominal head look more show-accurate.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She came with a DVD containing &amp;quot;The Assassin Virus&amp;quot;, the Japanese dubbing of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; episode 10, &amp;quot;[[Gorilla Warfare]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Destron/BlackWidow/blackwidow.htm More information on Telemocha Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Binaltech===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackwidowwildrider.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Honda wouldn&#039;t appreciate their car being hot, poisonous, and deadly.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Binaltech, unreleased)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;BT16&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Engine-rifle, roof-shield&lt;br /&gt;
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:In 2005, the sculpt used for &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]&#039;&#039; [[Decepticharge]] was presented as an upcoming release for the Japanese &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; line. Takara decided to give the toy an entirely new deco, as the Hasbro toy&#039;s deco didn&#039;t appeal to their ideal of &amp;quot;real-life accuracy&amp;quot;. In robot mode, the toy was given a color scheme based on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, with the toy&#039;s name being changed to &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot;, Takara&#039;s name for the character. Though a [[bio]] and story chapter were written to accommodate it into the &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; fiction, and photoshopped images released through an online retailer revealed the intended color scheme, Takara ultimately decided to cancel the toy altogether, as they were fearing that another redeco (in addition to the then upcoming &#039;&#039;Binaltech Asterisk&#039;&#039; toys) would be too repetitive. Plans to release this toy as part of a different line were never picked up again. A prototype of Blackwidow was later featured in an exhibit at Transformers Expo in 2014.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-masterpiece-star-saber-in-color-and-more-180923/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics - Masterpiece Star Saber In Color and More!&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-part-2-g1-prototypes-movie-props-and-more-masterpiece-180925/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics Part 2 - G1 Prototypes, Movie Props, and More Masterpiece!&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-part-4-prototypes-and-figure-displays-from-diaclone-g1-g2-beast-wars-180933/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics Part 4 - Prototypes and Figure Displays from Diaclone, G1, G2, Beast Wars&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:This sculpt was ultimately released in Japan as part of an unexpected &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; continuation, this time as [[Arcee (G1)#Binaltech|Arcee]]. The original version of the mold was used to make &#039;&#039;Alternators&#039;&#039; [[Windcharger (G1)#Alternators|Windcharger]] and &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; [[Overdrive#Binaltech|Overdrive]]. It was also planned to become a new toy of the [[Paradron Medic (G1)#Binaltech|Paradron Medic]], but that also got canceled.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Blackarachniaanimateddeluxe.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TA-09&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Grapnel-hook&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|&#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as Blackarachnia in &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers: Windblade]]&#039;&#039;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Blackarachnia transforms into a mechanical spider with some organic aesthetic. Many of her pointier parts are [[For safety reasons|molded in softer plastic]] to keep unfortunate children from putting their eyes out. She comes with a &amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;plainlinks&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grapnel grapnel]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; [[Retractable string gimmick|hook accessory]]. This is spring-loaded, with a jointed claw at the end of it. Pressing a button causes it to retract along the string. It may be mounted under her abdomen in spider mode or on her back in robot mode, via two different sets of pegs. There is also a peg hole in each wrist, for [[Spider-Man|web-slinging]] action.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The spider&#039;s head is mis-transformed in the package, making the first step of her instructions initially confusing. Furthermore, the pedipalps will easily come off if manipulated too much, and her transformation requires that they be turned around completely. Because of this, they will often fall off over, and over, and &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039;...&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Legends===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Legendstoy-Blackwidow.jpg|right|thumb|300px|On the &amp;quot;Important Blackarachnia Anatomy&amp;quot; hierarchy, apparently &amp;quot;boobs&amp;quot; outrank &amp;quot;torso.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow (Blackarachnia)&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[October 24|10–24]]–[[2015]])&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;LG17&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]&#039;&#039; Blackwidow is a retool of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)#Animated|Blackarachnia]]. The tooling changes include a new head, a new chest/spider eye cluster, and new, larger pedipalps that form her breastplate in robot mode...albeit made of translucent plastic.  (Her pedipalps resemble the kind found on &#039;&#039;male&#039;&#039; spiders, incidentally. Oh dear.)  Her official robot mode transformation leaves her robot arms half-transformed, with the spider leg tips unrotated, to more closely resemble the original Blackarachnia&#039;s claw-arms.  &lt;br /&gt;
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:Because her pedipalps are no longer filling in her stomach area, she now has a tiny, &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039; waist. Considerably more annoying is that her torso is misassembled such that pushing up her chest/spider eye cluster into the correct position for robot mode (and thus avoiding her having a gaping hole in her chest) is considerably more difficult than it should be.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniamutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game&#039;&#039;&#039; (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
:Blackarachnia was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===Robot Heroes===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Robotheroescheetorblackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Cute and poisonous.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Cheetor vs. Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (2-pack, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
:Part of the first wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]&#039;&#039;-branded [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]], Blackarachnia is a simple, yet well-detailed two-inch tall figurine with exaggerated, cartoony proportions. She was only available in a two-pack with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Robot Heroes&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BWBlackarachniaCardArt.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Dirty girls, make some noise. Move that ass for dirty boys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia&#039;s original Beast Wars card art has her wearing a spike-studded collar... while her chest seems to be leopard-spotted. Kinky.&lt;br /&gt;
*Reportedly, Blackarachnia&#039;s show model was created after some Mainframe folks had taken the design modeler to a strip club only a few days prior for, um... &#039;&#039;inspiration&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/593687e427efddad Why Blackarachnia Looks Asian] on [[alt.toys.transformers]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Like her fellow spider [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], her original [[beast mode]] is depicted with &#039;&#039;nine&#039;&#039; eyes rather than eight.&lt;br /&gt;
* An [[Bitch Wars|unproduced &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; episode concept]] would have seen Airazor and Blackarachnia join forces as a &amp;quot;third faction&amp;quot; for a bit. It went unproduced as the writers couldn&#039;t see where to go with the idea.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Japanese dub of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia&#039;s character underwent a few noteworthy changes. Firstly, she had a voice that can only be described as &amp;quot;bipolar&amp;quot;. She would switch between her usual sultry, flirtatious voice to a screaming blood-thirsty maniac at the drop of a hat. Another notable change is that she was made more vain and bratty, occasionally being prone to whining, crying and begging for mercy from her enemies (things she never did in the English version). Her unique verbal tic was a habit of making a hissing &#039;&#039;tssshaaaa&#039;&#039; noise, a trait actress [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] would pass on to &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]&#039;&#039; [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]].&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[:File:Blackarachniahappymeal.jpg|artwork]] advertising the Transmetal Blackarachnia toy on Happy Meal Bags was rendered with the toy transformed incorrectly. Her beast mode head isn&#039;t flipped down, leaving her organic-looking robot mode chest exposed.&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|TriviaTM2spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Even though Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia&#039;s toy has a unique faction-switching [[spark crystal]], the feature doesn&#039;t make sense in a fictional context. By that point in the &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; television series, the Transmetal Driver had destroyed her Predacon [[shell program]], making her fully Maximal. (Though, to be fair, it &#039;&#039;had&#039;&#039; happened mere moments previously.)&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia exhibited what appears to be telekinesis not long after gaining her Transmetal 2 form, levitating a steel girder to stop Rampage in &amp;quot;[[Master Blaster]]&amp;quot;. The ability only appeared once and was never explained, though it resembles the other strange, almost supernatural powers wielded by Transmetals 2 in the cartoon. Following her reformatting in &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia no longer possessed this ability.&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia&#039;s Transmetal 2 [[character model|animation model]] is noticeably tweaked from the toy design, with her extremely large shoulder-pads and back rockets all being significantly reduced to a very discreet size. Although arguably more [[Show-accuracy|toy-accurate]] than the CG model of her original body, this level of alteration was uncommon in [[To sell toys|new characters/upgraded bodies]] introduced from Season 2 onwards, as their animation models were more closely based on their respective toys (at least in appearance, if not always in capabilities.)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Animators&#039; Interview&amp;quot; from [[Madman Entertainment]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Season 3 DVDs.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sourcebook1Blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Woke up in Vegas next to [[BB#Notes|BB]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|TriviaBinaltech}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Character and fiction information for the cancelled BT-16 &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot; toy finally emerged in late 2007 with the release of &#039;&#039;The Transformers Binaltech Stories: Profiles and Technical Specifications&#039;&#039;, an unofficial publication by &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; story writer [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] that compiled all then-current &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; information as well as that of the unreleased Blackarachnia and [[Ginrai]] toys. [[Ask Vector Prime]] would canonize her bio almost a decade later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia is (strangely) depicted solely using a golden orange version of her Transmetal II body in her IDW &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]&#039;&#039; profile entry. She received properly colored coverage of all her modes in the trade paperback version.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Nintendo 64 version of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transmetals&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia was a stretched [[palette swap|palette-swap]] of [[Tarantulas (BW)|Transmetal Tarantulas]]. The PlayStation version does not stretch out Tarantulas, instead remeshing the model to resemble her Transmetal 2 form.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (ブラックウィドー &#039;&#039;Burakkuwidō&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Cantonese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Alaina&#039;&#039;&#039; (雅麗娜 &#039;&#039;Aa Lai Naa&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;French:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Mygale&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada toy), &#039;&#039;&#039;La Veuve Noire&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada cartoon, &amp;quot;The Black Widow&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;ref name=TM2BA&amp;gt;Whether Transmetal II Blackarachnia had different French and Spanish names is uncertain at this point.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;German:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;Schwarze Arachnia&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; cartoon)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Italian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Arachnia&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Latvian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zirneklene&#039;&#039;&#039; (derived from &#039;&#039;zirneklis&#039;&#039;, meaning &amp;quot;spider&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Mandarin:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zhīzhū&#039;&#039;&#039; (蜘蛛, &amp;quot;Spider&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Dú Zhīzhū&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, 毒蜘蛛, &amp;quot;Venomous Spider&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Polish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Arachna&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Portuguese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Aracniana&#039;&#039;&#039; (Portugual), &#039;&#039;&#039;Viúva Negra&#039;&#039;&#039; (Brazil &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;Black Widow&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Russian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Chornaya Vdova&#039;&#039;&#039; (Чёрная Вдова, &amp;quot;Black Widow&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Spanish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Araña Negra&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Black Spider&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;ref name=TM2BA/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Predacons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Eukaris]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fast food exclusives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Female Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Universe (2008)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Wheeljack (G1)/toys</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Squigsquasher: /* Generations */&lt;/p&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;s toys blow up in his labs, but hopefully these won&#039;t!&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Generation 1===&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (1984, 1990)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;03&#039;&#039;&#039;[[File:G1Wheeljack toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Do your arms hang low? Do they wobble to and fro?]]&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; 2 shoulder cannons, 4 rockets, 2 wings&lt;br /&gt;
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: The original Wheeljack toy, released as part of the [[1984]] series of Autobots, was based on a &#039;&#039;[[Diaclone]]&#039;&#039; Lancia Stratos Turbo. The deco is based on a specific racing version, the &amp;quot;Group 5&amp;quot; Stratos,&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;group5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.geocities.ws/simontmallett/stratos.html Information about the real-life Group 5 Stratos]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; with sponsor decals by Italian airline [[Wikipedia:Alitalia|Alitalia]], which were changed to &amp;quot;Alital&#039;&#039;&#039;l&#039;&#039;&#039;a&amp;quot;  for the toy (presumably to avoid licensing problems... yeah, it apparently did work like that back in the day). He comes with two rocket launchers that can fire four projectiles and two clear wings. In robot mode, the rocket launchers and the wings mount onto his shoulder and back respectively. The bar his launchers clip to is a 3mm bar, making this the earliest example of the 3mm [[C joint]] system in &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;. For some reason, Wheeljack&#039;s lower arms/hands cannot lock into his upper arms, leaving them hanging at an angle.&lt;br /&gt;
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: In [[1986]], he was made available as a mail-away item (as he was no longer shipping to retail shelves) in multiple offers, including [[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]] fliers packed with most boxed &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toys. He cost $8 and two [[Robot Point]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Unfortunately for many collectors, Wheeljack&#039;s mold has been damaged or destroyed, meaning his chances of future reissue look bleak. The latest, and most likely final, release was in 1990 as part of the European [[Classics (Europe)|Classics]] reissue line.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Wheeljack&#039;s back-mounted wings can be left attached in vehicle mode, making them easier to keep track of. They can also be used in conjunction with the fold-down doors to give Wheeljack a flight mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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: A [[retool]]ed and [[redeco]]ed version of the &#039;&#039;[[Diaclone]]&#039;&#039; toy was the basis for the [[Decepticon]] [[Exhaust]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-wheeljack/248/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Wheeljack at Transformerland.com]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:AMWheeljack.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|At least I come with the [[Wikipedia:Ferrari Testarossa|&#039;&#039;Miami Vice&#039;&#039; car]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Action Master, 1990)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; 2 missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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: [[Action Master]] Wheeljack is a non-transforming action figure sculpted based upon his cartoon appearances. He comes with the [[Turbo Racer]], a large red sports car based upon the Ferrari Testarossa that can seat two Action Master figures. The Turbo Racer has an &amp;quot;attack mode&amp;quot; where it transforms into something vaguely resembling an aircraft made from car parts.&lt;br /&gt;
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: The Wheeljack figure was later redecoed to make [[Slicer (Decepticon)|Slicer]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Action Master Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Universe (2003)===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:SpychangerWheeljack.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Where&#039;s your head at?]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Spychanger, 2004)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Gun&lt;br /&gt;
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:This version of Wheeljack is a redeco of [[Spy Changer]] [[Daytonus]], transforming into a Porsche 962 Le Mans racing car, specifically, a Kremer 962CK6. He is cast in white plastic with mostly black paint. The toy has several stickers to represent Wheeljack&#039;s earlier Lancia Stratos colours, including his racing number 539. He comes with a small black rifle that can be stored between his legs in vehicle mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/SpyWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Spychanger Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Alternators/Binaltech===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BTWheeljack toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Mustang Wheeljack! You better slow your Mustang down!]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[2005]])&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Alternator ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;13&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;BT-14&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Engine/&amp;quot;Laser-strafer rifle&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;[[Wheeljack Instant Immobilizer|Cryo-Sword]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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: &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]&#039;&#039; Wheeljack is a retool of &#039;&#039;Alternators&#039;&#039; [[Grimlock (G1)/toys|Grimlock]]. He transforms into a 2005 (S197 chassis) model Ford Mustang GT, painted white with blue stripes. In vehicle mode, he features highly realistic styling, opening doors, hood and trunk, as well as a detailed car interior. In robot mode his removable engine becomes a double-barreled laser; he is also equipped with a &amp;quot;Cryo-Sword&amp;quot; made of clear plastic with blue paint apps. &lt;br /&gt;
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:The Japanese &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; release of the figure has a slightly retooled head (see image inset), different paint applications, and is partially constructed of die-cast metal.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/AltWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Alternators&#039;&#039; Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Generations===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2011)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; 2 wrenches, 1 shoulder launcher&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Generationstoy-Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|You don&#039;t want to drop &#039;&#039;these&#039;&#039; wrenches.]]&lt;br /&gt;
: &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]&#039;&#039; Wheeljack is a retool of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers]]&#039;&#039; [[Tracks (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Turbo Tracks]], featuring a new head, wings, clip-on wrenches (that replace the missile launchers), new vehicle mode front fenders and rear spoiler, and a modified transformation sequence (with new legs) so as to present a robot mode reminiscent of the original Wheeljack toy. The rear rotatable flip-out panel and the joint it&#039;s mounted on are still there, although the spoiler prevents it from being rotated, while the panel itself now lacks the mounting tabs that were previously there.&lt;br /&gt;
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: He has a flight mode similar to Tracks&#039;, though with the clip-on weapons attached over the wings instead of on the rear of the vehicle. He also retains Tracks&#039; gun, which in reality was Wheeljack&#039;s own rocket launcher, and as such, nominally clips onto his shoulder. The gun was slightly redecoed, with the &#039;&#039;entire&#039;&#039; jointed rocket piece being painted over this time, and the C joint clip being a darker shade of gray due to [[gang-molding]] with other parts. With the new retool of his legs, the black inner parts under the car mode hood feature [[C joint|3mm bars]] where you can store Wheeljack&#039;s wrenches when not being held, as the clamps of the wrenches are actually C joint clips. Additionally, the wrenches &#039;&#039;themselves&#039;&#039; also have 3mm bars on them, in case Wheeljack should try to make some sort of new gadget. [[Ratchet (G1)/toys|Ratchet]] sold separately.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Though Wheeljack&#039;s toy is heavily retooled, his instructions do not reflect this. They depict Wheeljack with his proper head, but most of the rest of the art depicts Tracks&#039; parts, including Tracks&#039; leg transformation. Do not attempt to extend Wheeljack&#039;s legs as far as the instruction art shows, because that&#039;s some excessive force that&#039;s not meant to be applied. The instructions also show the wrenches mounting on the shoulders as weapons, with the shoulder launcher as a hand-held weapon. &lt;br /&gt;
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: This version of the mold was retooled into &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]&#039;&#039; [[Runamuck (G1)|Runamuck]] and &#039;&#039;Timelines&#039;&#039; [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]], while the original version was redecoed into [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]] [[Tracks (SG)|Turbo Tracks]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039; Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWDlxWheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|From wrenches to bowie knives.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (2016)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Knife-sword, double-barreled gun/fist/foot&lt;br /&gt;
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:Wheeljack is an extensive retool of &#039;&#039;Combiner Wars&#039;&#039; [[Breakdown (G1)#Generations|Breakdown]] sporting a new head, chest, legs, feet, and front bumper.  Being a Combiner Wars figure, Wheeljack can combine to form [[Sky Reign]] as either an arm or a leg.&lt;br /&gt;
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:He is, unfortunately, extremely lacking in paint.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was also retooled as [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Generations|Sunstreaker]], [[Jumpstream]] and [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===United===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Unitedtoy wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|You laugh, but few sights have Cons (and Bots) flee in more desperate terror than Wheeljack brandishing tools.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2011)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;UN-19&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; 2 wrenches, 1 shoulder launcher&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers United|United]]&#039;&#039; toyline, TakaraTomy&#039;s version of Wheeljack features some subtle differences from the &#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039; version.  He now sports silver painted ears, metallic green paint and medium red paint for his stripes, which follow a different pattern, and continue down the back of the car.  He no longer has a painted rear window (instead leaving it white with the stripe detailing), features different tail light applications, a silver outlined Autobot symbol (rather than one without a border), painted clear blue eyes, and a more blue-green plastic instead of the slightly brighter green of the Hasbro version.&lt;br /&gt;
:United Wheeljack was released before &#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039; Wheeljack was released to retail stores, but not to online retailers.  Wheeljack&#039;s United instructions show the proper transformation.  His instructions also leave out the flying car mode, likely due to it being intended originally for Tracks and not Wheeljack.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Construct-Bots===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ConstructBots_EliteWheeljack.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Elite, 2013)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Pieces: &#039;&#039;&#039;55&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
: Part of Wave 1 of Construct-Bots Elites, Wheeljack can transform into a car.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/CBWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ConstructBots_ArsenalPackWheeljack.jpg|thumb|300px|Just when Wheeljack thought it was safe to go back in the water...]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Arsenal Pack Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Elite, &amp;lt;strike&amp;gt;2014&amp;lt;/strike&amp;gt;)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Pieces:&#039;&#039;&#039;67&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
: Arsenal Pack Wheeljack is slightly a redeco of the previous release, changing some pieces from black to gray. He includes new accessories, such as two swords and two odd shark-like pieces.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Masterpiece===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MP-20 Wheeljack.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Hey, Optimus! I&#039;ve built a machine to calculate the chances of getting a Marlboro repaint out of this! [[Exhaust|Hey whaddya know, it worked!]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[September 20|09-20-]][[2014]])&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;MP-20&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Shoulder Cannon, missile, Laser Gun, Hypno-chip Disruptor ([[Amazon (website)|Amazon.jp]] exclusive)&lt;br /&gt;
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: &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]&#039;&#039; Wheeljack transforms into an officially-licensed Lancia Stratos with proper (licensed?) &amp;quot;Alital&#039;&#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039;&#039;a&amp;quot; markings. As with other figures in the &#039;&#039;Masterpiece&#039;&#039; line, he is intended to be an accurate representation of his [[Character model|cartoon model]]. Roughly as tall as a [[Size class|Voyager Class]] figure, he is also in [[scale]] with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|MP-10 Optimus Prime]], and can fit inside [[Combat Deck (G1)#mp10|Prime&#039;s trailer]] in vehicle mode. In contrast to larger entries in this line, Wheeljack lacks [[die-cast]] parts, and his tires are cast in hard, non-rubberized plastic. Additionally, his side mirrors come detached out of the box, and can be found separately packaged inside the instruction bag. An extra pair of mirrors is included in case of loss or breakage.&lt;br /&gt;
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:For accessories, he comes with his gun and shoulder launcher, the latter with a removable non-firing missile. In vehicle mode, the shoulder launcher mounts on the roof like the weapons of the other &#039;&#039;Masterpiece&#039;&#039; cars, while the gun stores underneath as the car&#039;s exhaust pipe.&lt;br /&gt;
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:As a curious easter egg, dismantling his head reveals a moustache hidden under his faceplate, similar to the one [[Wheeljack (Animated)|his &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; counterpart]] sports.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/masterpiece-mp-20-wheeljack-hidden-face-reveal-181175/ &amp;quot;Masterpiece MP-20 Wheeljack - Hidden Face Reveal?&amp;quot; at TFW2005]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:If purchased in Japan through Amazon.com, one additionally gets a toolbox based on the hypno-chip disabling device he used in &amp;quot;[[The Ultimate Doom, Part 3]]&amp;quot;. If purchased in other Asian markets outside of Japan, a collector&#039;s coin is included instead of or in addition to the toolbox. The coin package is shaped and colored like his hood deco, and identifies him as &amp;quot;Weeljack&amp;quot; {{sic}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was redecoed and retooled into [[Exhaust|MP-23 Exhaust]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/MPWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Masterpiece Wheeljack on TFU.net]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{MPLanciaStratosMold}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Q-Transformers===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:QTransformers Wheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Hot Rodimus&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[January 24|1-24]]-2015)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;QT-10&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;[[Q-Transformers]]&#039;&#039; Wheeljack transforms from a cute [[super deformed]] Lancia Stratos to a just as cute robot. He comes with a code for unlocking Wheeljack as a playable character in the &#039;&#039;[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]&#039;&#039; game.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
===Stamp Bot===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wheeljack stampbot.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; ( 1984) &lt;br /&gt;
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:Made by HG Toys, Stamp Bot Wheeljack is a small, non-poseable figurine of Wheeljack based on his toy with a rubber stamp on the base, and a cap with a felt &amp;quot;floor&amp;quot; that was soaked in ink. The stamp made an image of Wheeljack&#039;s race car mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Zipper Clip===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Zipperclipwheeljack.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; ( 1985) &lt;br /&gt;
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:Also made by HG Toys, Zipper Clip Wheeljack is a scaled-down version of Stamp Bot Wheeljack, minus the rubber stamp base. Molded onto his head was a small hole, through which a metal clip was looped, allowing the figurine to attach to the end of a zipper.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Decoy===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Decoy wheeljack.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Cybertron Hero Collection 22&#039;&#039;&#039; (Decoy multi-pack, 1985)&lt;br /&gt;
: This small red rubber figurine of Wheeljack was released in Japan as part of a large multi-pack of similar figures, which were used as playing pieces for &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; board games. The figure features a number etched into its back which is the sum total of Wheeljack&#039;s [[Tech Spec]] ratings, which served some function in the gameplay the figures were used for.&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (1987)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Decoy number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;22&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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: The Wheeljack figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple &amp;quot;checklist&amp;quot; number (22, in Wheeljack&#039;s case). Like all Autobot Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Wheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on Decoy Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Super Collection Figure===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wheeljack scf pvc.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (2002)&lt;br /&gt;
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: A three-inch tall [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of Wheeljack was available in the seventh &#039;&#039;[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory]]&#039;&#039;-centric wave of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]&#039;&#039; line. Like all the figures in the wave, it was available as both a standard full color figure and a metallic silver &amp;quot;pewter&amp;quot; version, one of each of which was available in a standard case of twelve [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] figures. Additionally, the pewter version of Wheeljack came packaged with the right &amp;quot;boot&amp;quot; piece needed to transform the wave&#039;s [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]] figure into Victory Saber.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HoCWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Super Collection Figure&#039;&#039; Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/PewterWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on pewter Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Heroes of Cybertron===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (2003)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Wheeljack&#039;s &#039;&#039;Super Collection Figure&#039;&#039; PVC was released the following year by Hasbro as part of their &#039;&#039;[[Heroes of Cybertron]]&#039;&#039; line. Like all the figures in the series, Wheeljack was given a [[light-piping]] gimmick by being cast entirely in translucent blue plastic then painted everywhere except on his eyes and the back of his head. Unlike the Japanese version, he was sold separate on a blister card and came packaged with the right arm of the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] &amp;quot;build-a-figure&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HoCWheeljack/wheeljack.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Heroes of Cybertron&#039;&#039; Wheeljack at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Hard Hero===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wheeljackbust.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Optimus Prime! I built a machine that removes legs and replaces them with small pedestals! Come see!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Hard Hero, 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[Hard Hero]] released a polystone bust of Wheeljack, based upon his appearance in the Generation 1 television series. The tenth bust in their main &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; series, Wheeljack is some six inches tall and was limited to 2500 normal copies and an additional 100 exclusively signed by the sculptor.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Palisades===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wheeljackstatue.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Small, expensive, and puffy.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Wheeljack&#039;&#039;&#039; (Palisades, 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[[Palisades Toys|Palisades]] released a 6-inch polystone statue of Wheeljack, based upon [[Pat Lee]]&#039;s rendition of him in the [[Dreamwave Productions]] comics.&lt;br /&gt;
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===The Loyal Subjects===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tlswheeljack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]&lt;br /&gt;
:[[The Loyal Subjects]] Wheeljack is a Wave 3 figure with standard articulation. He has several accessories and a mixed design that takes elements from the animation model and original toy. This figure also has a special gimmick: LED &amp;quot;ears&amp;quot;. For every 16 figures, there are 2 Wheeljacks.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like most of his wave, his bio card plagiarizes this wiki article&#039;s opening paragraphs, with his motto taken from the &amp;quot;Fire on the Mountain&amp;quot; quote directly below it.  &lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DiacloneWheeljackConcept.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|If only...]]&lt;br /&gt;
* An early concept design of the &#039;&#039;[[Diaclone]]&#039;&#039; version of Generation 1 Wheeljack was depicted in a catalog from late 1982/early 1983, depicting a considerably better proportioned robot mode with longer legs.&lt;br /&gt;
* Wheeljack was given an homage in the form of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]&#039;&#039; [[Downshift (Energon)|Downshift]]. Downshift has Wheeljack&#039;s colors, face, and even feet modeled after the Lancia grill. The character was even called Wheeljack in Japan&#039;s &#039;&#039;Super Link&#039;&#039; series, something Hasbro could not do because the name had already been used on [[Wheeljack (Armada)|a character]] from the [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|previous series]]. Downshift was later [[redeco]]ed as the [[BotCon 2010]] [[exclusive]] &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]&#039;&#039; [[Slicer (Decepticon)|Slicer/&amp;quot;Decepticon Slice&amp;quot;]], representing the same character as the [[The Transformers (European toyline)|European-only Generation 1]] [[Action Master]] Slicer, a redeco of Wheeljack&#039;s Action Master toy (while simultaneously representing [[Wheeljack (SG)|another Wheeljack]]).&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;Energon&#039;&#039; Downshift also received a new-sculpt toy in the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]&#039;&#039; line, which looked considerably less like Generation 1 Wheeljack save for the head sculpt... and the &#039;&#039;feet&#039;&#039;, which are sculpted after Wheeljack&#039;s distinct Lancia Stratos grill feet. Now &#039;&#039;that&#039;s&#039;&#039; a weird homage. &lt;br /&gt;
* The retool of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]&#039;&#039; [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Alternators|Grimlock]] was originally planned to be [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (presumably in red), but ultimately ended up as Wheeljack instead, with a new head sculpt. Meanwhile, the head sculpt originally intended for Ford-Windcharger ended up being used for the retool of &#039;&#039;Alternators&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;Windcharger&amp;quot; (the Honda S2000 mold, designed as [[Overdrive]] and released under that name by Takara) instead, and now named &amp;quot;[[Decepticharge]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]&#039;&#039; Wheeljack was the original version of the sculpt, with [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]] (whose toy ended up in &#039;&#039;[[Reveal the Shield]]&#039;&#039;) intended as the retool, but the two were ultimately released in reverse order (and different toy lines).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;generations11&amp;quot;&amp;gt;TakaraTomy staff interview in &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Generations 2011]]&#039;&#039; vol. 1, [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/428825-takaratomy-staff-interview-generations-united.html translation at TFW2005].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Action Masters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Alternators Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Combiner Wars]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Construct-Bots Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Decoys]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generations]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Mail order items]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Masterpiece]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Q-Transformers characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Spy Changers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:United Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Transformers Prime: Beast Creator</title>
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		<title>Ratchet (Animated)</title>
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{{disambig3|Ratchet}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Ratchet is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:AniRatchetPromoModel.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Rassa-frassa [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|KIDS]] with their [[Bumblebee (Animated)|loud music]] and their [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|rocket-powered axes]]...]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Before the [[Great War (Animated)|Great Wars]], &#039;&#039;&#039;Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; was a [[Protihex Medical Mechanics University|civilian mechanic]], and one of the best on all of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. But war is [[Pit|hell]], and Ratchet learned that all too well. It left him bitter and cynical. After the war, he got himself placed in a dead end position of repairing [[space bridge]]s, seeing it as a chance to get away from what he had experienced. And in his experience, &amp;quot;hero&amp;quot; is another word for casualty, because that&#039;s what most of the heroes ended up being. Still, he knows one when he sees it, and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] definitely is one. &lt;br /&gt;
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His main &amp;quot;weapons&amp;quot; are two electromagnets that can extend from his forearms. With them, he can move metal-based objects, levitate downward from high heights, manipulate or tear apart metallic objects in midair, or create magnetic shields. More recently, he won his [[electromagnetic pulse]] generator back from [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] the bounty hunter, a device capable of knocking out a [[Transformer]].&lt;br /&gt;
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He enjoys grumbling about almost everything, being sarcastic, and having war flashbacks, just like any old man.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|You&#039;re a &#039;&#039;tough&#039;&#039; old model, aren&#039;t you?|[[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] shows his grudging respect|&amp;quot;[[This Is Why I Hate Machines]]&amp;quot;}} &lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Idw-tfa}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Corey Burton]] (English), [[Tōru Ōkawa]] (Japanese)|[[Horst Lampe]] (German), [[Dariusz Stach]] (Polish), [[Sidney Lilla]] (Portuguese), [[Stefano Albertini]] (Italian), [[Javier Rodríguez]] (Latin American Spanish, seasons 1 and 2), [[Eleazar Osorio]] (Latin American Spanish, season 3), [[Im Chaeheon]] (Korean)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BotsofScience-RatchetOilslick.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Millions of years ago, knee-insignia were all the rage.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Millions of years ago, Ratchet arrived at [[Hydrax Plateau]] looking for survivors of a Decepticon chemical attack, which had slaughtered soldiers from both sides. The only survivor was a Decepticon named [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]]. Against orders, Ratchet tried to save his life. Oil Slick, however, revealed he had the formula for an antidote to the chemical, known to the grunts as &amp;quot;[[Cosmic Rust (disease)|cosmic rust&amp;quot;]], but he lacked the equipment to create it. Ratchet warily agreed to help, and as they worked, tried to learn a little bit more about who was fighting. Once the cure was complete, Ratchet used it on Oil Slick, who promptly revealed he had created the cosmic rust, didn&#039;t care if his own soldiers got killed, and infected Ratchet before driving off. However, Ratchet had managed to snag some of the antidote, so he used a little on himself and took the rest back to headquarters for mass production, regretfully realizing he&#039;d learned a little bit about a good deception that day.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|The Arrival issue 3#&amp;quot;&#039;Bots_of_Science&amp;quot;|&#039;Bots of Science}} {{storylink|Bots of Science}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Ratchetanimatedthrill.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Before the gut.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Some time later, Ratchet was sent by [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]] on a wartime mission to recover Autobot intelligence officer [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]], who was carrying important security codes in her memory core. Shortly after he found her, the pair were captured by the [[Decepticon]]-affiliated bounty hunter [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]. The hunter made a habit of collecting the powers of defeated enemies as trophies and did so with Ratchet&#039;s medical EMP device. Before he could attach it, Arcee was able to pass the device to Ratchet, and she begged him to use it on her to wipe the codes and preserve their safety. In the ensuing skirmish with Lockdown, the device accidentally produced a wider blast, erasing Arcee&#039;s entire memory. Ratchet would have flashbacks of the incident for centuries to come. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TransWarped-youngRatchetArcee.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|In your heeeeeaad, in your heeeeead, zombie zombie zombie-ee-ee...]]&lt;br /&gt;
At a certain point, Ratchet was ordered by Ultra Magnus to perform open processor surgery on Arcee to retrieve the access codes. As the operation began, Arcee uploaded the codes into Ratchet&#039;s processor, so he was conducted to a secret hangar and introduced to [[Project Omega]] a.k.a. Omega Supreme. Perceptor, along with Highbrow and Ultra Magnus, explained that Omega was the Autobots&#039; last line of defense against the Decepticons and that the codes that Arcee was carrying were for Omega&#039;s activation. Arcee was supposed to be Omega&#039;s mentor to imprint upon and take orders from, but now Ratchet had inherited her role. Hearing that Omega had been built with a simple processor in order to carry out his duties with no remorse, Ratchet refused to teach him to be a weapon of mass destruction and instead tried to instruct him to be an Autobot. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TransWarped-Ratchetaltmode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Ratchet&#039;s older than the wheel.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon winning the Great War against a massive Decepticon onslaught, Omega was damaged extensively and at risk of losing his Spark. Ratchet was able to put him into a modified stasis until he could repair the giant. Before going into stasis, Omega questioned how he could be an Autobot but destroy like a Decepticon. The best assurance Ratchet could offer was, &amp;quot;We do what we must, even though sometimes it doesn&#039;t make sense,&amp;quot; and he coaxed the giant Autobot to rest. {{storylink|TransWarped}}  Ratchet stayed with Omega after he&#039;d been repurposed as a space bridge repair vessel. {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}&lt;br /&gt;
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During a routine repair assignment with Optimus Prime&#039;s crew, Ratchet and the rest of the group found the [[AllSpark]]. His first reaction upon seeing it was to urge the others to throw it through the space bridge. However, events soon overtook them when [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] arrived and tried to claim the AllSpark. The Autobots took their ship through the space bridge, where Prime defeated Megatron, and the crew was forced to go into stasis to avoid injury in a crash-landing on [[Earth]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Awakening fifty years later, the Autobots went to help battle a renegade nanomachine construct, while Ratchet studied a specimen of the construct on the ship. Learning that it was vulnerable in its command centers, Ratchet sent a kill program to the Autobots to place in the monster. His program worked.&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet had the most difficulty getting used to Earth&#039;s customs, as the humans kept interrupting his stasis naps to put parking tickets on him. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out}} {{storylink|Dispatches}} To make things more complicated, those annoying camera bots followed the Autobots everywhere. Always watching, waiting... Ratchet was sure to make his displeasure over the Autobots&#039; current situation heard as he helped assemble their new secret base. He was nonetheless exposed to some of Earth&#039;s culture when Sari came over to have a &amp;quot;slumber party&amp;quot; with them. The activities only served to confuse Ratchet further on Earth&#039;s customs. The sleep-over was interrupted by the base&#039;s machinery going haywire and attacking the Autobots. Despite trying to shield himself with with magnetic powers, Ratchet was damaged in the attack, sidelining him for most of it. Thankfully, Bumblebee managed to shut down all of the machinery. One last act of sabotage had to be dealt with however, and Ratchet worked in tandem with Bulkhead, Prowl and Optimus to get rid of a leaking fuel tank before it blew all of them to smithereens. In the attack&#039;s aftermath, Ratchet pointed out that they had dealt with an intelligence sophisticated enough to merge their base&#039;s security sensors with its assembly line. Things eventually simmered down, and Ratchet looked on as the team&#039;s younger &#039;bots played a game of Twister™ with Sari. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet joined Optimus, Prowl and Bulkhead in an attempt to learn more about Earth customs by watching television, only to stumble across a broadcast of Bumblebee wrestling [[Colossus Rhodes]]. When it became apparent that Rhodes had gone berserk, Ratchet and the Autobots sped to Bumblebee&#039;s aid. Ratchet used his magnetic powers to prevent his tiny team-mate from being smushed flat by a car Rhodes hurled at him. Smarting over the public embarrassment, Rhodes&#039;s employer and Isaac Sumdac&#039;s rival [[Meltdown (Animated)|Prometheus Black]]—aka the acidic mutate Meltdown—sought revenge, sabotaging Sumdac&#039;s new police drones; Ratchet was able to expose Black&#039;s involvement when Sari brought him a piece of drone to examine, and he observed the effects of a powerful corrosive on it. Seeking to protect Sumdac from further reprisals by Black, the Autobots headed for Sumdac Tower, only to find that Black had already been sealed inside with Sumdac by a force-field security system. Ratchet used his magnetic powers to open a small hole in the field, allowing Bumblebee and Sari to enter and deactivate it while Ratchet and the others held off Colossus Rhodes. Using her key, Sari then channeled the tower&#039;s force-field through Ratchet&#039;s magnets, allowing him to trap Black in a force-field bubble and end his threat. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Ratchet was with the rest of the team when they watched a news broadcast, showing Prowl and Bumblebee inadvertently exposing the [[Wraith]]&#039;s modus operandi. Later, when Bumblebee apprehended Colossus Rhodes, Ratchet helped sign autographs for the grateful Detroiters.  Later still, when the Autobots saw &amp;quot;Bumblebee&amp;quot; attack Michigan Stadium, Ratchet helped clear the little Autobot&#039;s name by halting what was really a plot by the increasingly jealous and irrational Wraith.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|The Arrival issue 2|Attention Surplus Disorder}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Ratchet joined the rest of the Autobots into investigating a theft at Sumdac&#039;s laboratories. They found out that the crime in question had been committed by an industrial saboteur going by the name of &amp;quot;[[Stiletto (Animated)|Stiletto]].&amp;quot; She soon attempted to collapse Detroit&#039;s Ambassador Bridge, prompting the Autobots to leap into action. During the confrontation, Ratchet helped repair the bridge to prevent it from collapsing beneath their feet. He then stopped Stiletto from making a quick getaway, using his magnetic abilities to grab her motorcycle from beneath her. Ultimately, Optimus managed to capture Stiletto, and Ratchet would later be seen helping fix the Autobots injured during the battle at their headquarters.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|The Arrival issue 3|Stiletto}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Ratchet and the other Autobots had to calm Bulkhead down when Porter C. Powell began to market the template for Bulkhead&#039;s altmode as a vehicle for the everyday citizen, and further rubbed salt in the wound by using highly-doctored footage to have Bulkhead &amp;quot;promote&amp;quot; the vehicle. After Bulkhead had a confrontation with the Angry Archer and Professor Princess, Ratchet examined a piece of a Bulkhead retrieved from the crime scene by the same-named Autobot. His analysis proved that the vehicles were highly unsafe for day-to-day commute. Sari and Bulkhead worked together to prove that the Bulkheads were unsafe, and Powell was forced to recall the line. Afterwards, Ratchet pondered as to who in their right processor would be willing to parade about in one of the garish paint-jobs that many Bulkheads had been customized with... only for Bumblebee to enter the room with an equally garish new color-scheme.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|The Arrival issue 4|The Insincerest Form of Flattery}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sari invited the Autobots to visit her father’s theme-park, &amp;quot;[[Dino Drive]]&amp;quot;, which featured robotic dinosaurs. Being his usual curmudgeon self, Ratchet was sure to make it known that he wasn’t impressed by how old the Dinosaurs were… after all, the Autobots were much older! Though their first visit ended in disaster for the animatronics, the Autobots&#039; second visit to the park was a little more eventful, as the animatronics attacked back! Teaming up with Bumblebee, Ratchet unleashed an electro-magnetic pulse to shut down the “[[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobots]].” But when Sari used her key to boost their attack, she unwittingly granted the trio Sparks. Later, the Dinobots awoke in full consciousness, and began running wild in Detroit, leading to yet another confrontation against the Autobots. An EMP blast didn’t work against [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]], [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]] and [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] this time around, and Ratchet found himself completely overwhelmed. Thankfully, Bulkhead managed to trap the Dinobots in a tar pit, nullifying the threat they posed to the city. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}&lt;br /&gt;
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To Ratchet&#039;s horrified disbelief, Lockdown appeared on Earth and captured Optimus Prime, intending to hand him over to the vengeful remaining Decepticons for the bounty offered against him. The Autobots attempted a rescue, with Ratchet initially absent due to haunting flashbacks over his last encounter with the bounty hunter. He was forced to intervene after Lockdown incapacitated [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]. Ratchet was able to free his commanding officer and retrieve his EMP device, using it to send [[Death&#039;s Head (Animated)|Lockdown&#039;s ship]] crashing back to Earth. After reinstalling Prime&#039;s stolen gadgets, the veteran finally opened up to the younger soldier. {{storylink|The Thrill of the Hunt}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Sari “borrowed” a couple of rocket prototypes from her father’s workshop, Bumblebee pleaded with Ratchet for him to attach the devices to his chassis. Ratchet refused, stating that it could only lead to Bumblebee causing more damage to himself than usual, which Ratchet would be forced to fix. Too bad Sari went ahead and upgraded Bumblebee with her Key anyways. Later, Ratchet helped nab the super-thief [[Nanosec]] after he had stolen a sample of unstable [[Destronium]] from Sumdac Laboratories. The capture ran into quite a few problems, most of them caused by Bumblebee’s uncontrollable boosters. Ratchet had the sense to advise Bumblebee to transform into robot mode, stopping him from running wild. When Nanosec was finally stopped, and the Destronium was in the Autobots’ possession, Ratchet inspected the canister. His scans revealed that the Destronium could explode at any moment. Bulkhead and Prowl helped Bumblebee get into the upper atmosphere, where the Destronium detonated harmlessly; and Ratchet and Optimus slowed Bumblebee’s descent as he came plummeting back to Earth. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet and the other Autobots attended Sari’s eight birthday party. There, Ratchet showed an... unusual amount of enthusiasm over Sari smashing her piñata. He was less impressed by Bulkhead&#039;s clumsy attempt at joining in the activity. Though Ratchet wound up entertaining Sari’s guests, Sari herself was left behind with Bulkhead. A few days after the event, [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], once one of Sari’s toys, now a Decepticon menace, took control of Detroit’s automatons in an attempt to subjugate the human population. Ratchet teamed up with Prowl to fight back against the hostile robots, but between their sheer numbers and Soundwave interfering with the Autobots’ comm-links, he found himself being overwhelmed. Once Bulkhead took care of Soundwave, the automatons returned to their normal state, and the fighting came to an end. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Decepticons [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, the Autobots were quickly bested by the duo. Prime realized that the AllSpark was no longer safe on the planet and decided that they should leave Earth and return to Cybertron. [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] was not pleased by this, but Ratchet&#039;s response was a gruff, &amp;quot;Grow up&amp;quot;. When Optimus asked Sari to help, Ratchet was displeased with the thought of working with a &amp;quot;[[protoform]]&amp;quot;, but Optimus silenced them by making it an order. Once aboard the Autobots&#039; ship, Sari accidentally opened an airlock, nearly flooding the hold, then admitted that she had tried to sabotage the ship, not wanting them to leave. In a moment of empathy, Ratchet told her the Autobots didn&#039;t want to leave either, but they had to, or else the Decepticons would wipe out the humans, including Sari, and Ratchet couldn&#039;t live with himself if that happened. With the help of a now-willing Sari, Ratchet brought the ship&#039;s weapons back online, defeating Lugnut and Blitzwing.  {{storylink|Lost and Found (episode)|Lost and Found}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Seeing as Sari would likely be a target for the Decepticons in the future, the Autobots decided to train her in combat techniques. When Captain Fanzone found out about this, after Sari had been abducted from her room, he expressed disbelief over the fact. Ratchet responded gruffly that it was better the Autobots teach Sari &amp;quot;ninja nerve blows,&amp;quot; rather than she pick it up on the street. Once Sari was rescue however, her training was discontinued, as she proved capable of taking care of herself, in her own unique way. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After his latest rescue mission ended in destructive disaster, Bulkhead attempted to pick up painting, to prove he could create as well as destroy. Unfortunately, Ratchet didn&#039;t &amp;quot;get&amp;quot; Bulkhead&#039;s art. As a point of contention, Ratchet pointed out that art was a waste of time, since it couldn&#039;t be used to save anyone. Later, [[Headmaster (Animated)|Henry Masterson]], aka &amp;quot;The Headmaster&amp;quot; stole Bulkhead&#039;s body, and used it to hold the entire city at ransom, threatening to overload the local [[Sidney Biggles-Jones Memorial Solar Fusion Plant|power plant]]. The Autobots battled the villain, but found themselves overwhelmed by the sheer destructive power that The Headmaster unleashed with Bulkhead&#039;s body. After an arduous struggle, The Headmaster fled, leaving Bulkhead&#039;s body behind. But at this point, the power plant was ready to blow. Working together, the Autobots quickly built an &amp;quot;art piece&amp;quot; robot, who took the fatal trip into the plant&#039;s core, and halted the chain reaction within. Bulkhead pointed out that Ratchet had been wrong, as &amp;quot;art&amp;quot; had indeed saved the city of Detroit. Ratchet must have acquiesced the point somewhat, as he accompanied Bulkhead to his art show later that day. {{storylink|Headmaster (episode)|Headmaster}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After receiving a report on increased Decepticon activity from [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Teletran-1]], Optimus ordered Ratchet to remove the [[AllSpark Key]] from Sari&#039;s possession forcibly, as it was no longer safe in the hands of a [[Human|dumb stubby]]. Ratchet was hesitant to take the object from the girl, but followed his superior&#039;s orders with a gruff, professional &amp;quot;Yessir.&amp;quot; After Sari fled the base in tears, Optimus then told Ratchet to take the Key to the Autobots&#039; ship, under [[Lake Erie]], in order to protect the [[AllSpark]] from the Decepticons. Unfortunately, the medibot was intercepted by Blitzwing and Lugnut, who demanded that he hand over the Key. He stoically refused, challenging them to take it from his &amp;quot;cold, offline servo.&amp;quot; Icy Blitzwing complied by blasting Ratchet and the surrounding scenery with an ice beam. He switched to Random Blitzwing, made a smart remark, and wrenched the Key (and the arm holding it) from Ratchet.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite this handicap, the mechanic was able to break free from his icy prison, report the AllSpark Key&#039;s theft to Optimus, single-handedly bring the ship online (pun intended), and still participate later in the [[Megatron Rising - Part 2|final battle]] against [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and his forces. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While helping to dispose of garbage in the city, Ratchet&#039;s crotchety attitude became such a problem that Optimus asked Sari and Bumblebee to help him work on developing a more positive attitude. His experience in helping a [[Spike Witwicky (Animated)|young]] [[Carly Witwicky (Animated)|couple]] who were in the process of making a protoform did not help with his attitude, and things got even worse when some trash-toting nuisance named [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]] came along, spouting that he was an Autobot. Telling the newly sentient [[Transformer]] that he was only good for garbage, Ratchet unwittingly inspired him to deliver garbage to the people of Detroit. Unfortunately, Wreck-Gar also had a sample of [[Sumdac Systems]]&#039; new and improved nanobots, designed to disintegrate garbage. Fearing what the AllSpark-infused nanites might do, Ratchet apologized to Wreck-Gar, saying that the befuddled newcomer could be whatever he wanted, including a hero. Wreck-Gar did become a hero—after he vacuumed up the microbots, they exploded, causing Wreck-Gar to fall into the river. Ratchet assumed he was dead. When [[Porter C. Powell]] said that Ratchet had ruined his presentation, Ratchet forced him and [[Augustus Edsel|Mayor Edsel]] to make a compromise by threatening to have them join Wreck-Gar in the river. They came to an agreement, and Ratchet assumed that the bystanders were cheering for him, leaving him with the assumption that he &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; have people skills. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When there were reports of rampages coming from Dinobot Island, Ratchet loaned Prowl his EMP Generator as a just-in-case measure. When Prowl discovered that a spike was wedged into [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]&#039;s foot, Ratchet instructed him on how to use the EMP to remove it. Later, when Prowl decided to go off on his own after Starscream, Ratchet, along with Prime, told him to turn his shuttle around, but Prowl faked some static and cut the transmission, though Ratchet thought his fake static was less-convincing than Bumblebee&#039;s. Later, the Autobots managed to find Prowl, equipped with new Samurai armor, tied up in the middle of the street, and freed him. Ratchet blamed himself for the whole mess, as he was the one who loaned Prowl the EMP. The Autobots next encountered Clone [[Clone number 2716057|#2716057]], who tries to propose an alliance with them, but Prowl easily rejects the alliance and attacks the clone. During the fight, Prowl accidentally destroys a bird&#039;s nest, which snaps him back to reality, and causes him to realize that he doesn&#039;t need the armor, but he won&#039;t get rid of it until he captures Clone [[Clone number 3370318|#3370318]]. Ratchet and the other Autobots followed Prowl to a warehouse, where they discovered that the Starscream clones were armed with bombs, and watched Prowl use his armor to launch the clones into the sky, right into the flight path of the fleeing Decepticons. {{storylink|A Fistful of Energon}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Bulkhead was kidnapped by Megatron, Bumblebee brought Autobot intelligence agent [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]] to the plant, who revealed that Megatron was building a space bridge to conquer Cybertron from within. Realizing they&#039;d need more firepower, Prime ordered Ratchet and Sari to get the ship operational. Unfortunately, their efforts failed to get it back online. Running out of time, Ratchet decided that they&#039;d need to perform open [[spark]] surgery. {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part I}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After placing the remaining AllSpark fragments in the ship&#039;s spark core, Ratchet explained that the ship was once a living Autobot who sacrificed himself to help win the wars. Ratchet&#039;s gamble succeeded, and the ship was brought back to life. Getting it to the Decepticons&#039; base, Ratchet and Sari provided enough power (and encouragement) to allow the ship to transform into [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Omega defeated the Decepticons, but sacrificed himself to save the Autobots by being sucked into a blind space bridge portal. Once the Autobots escaped, Ratchet was left to mourn Omega Supreme a second time, but Bulkhead was optimistic that he was still alive, somewhere out in space.&lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately, any effort to locate Omega Supreme was put on hold when Sari noticed that the skin of her right arm had been torn...revealing robotic circuitry underneath!  {{storylink|A Bridge Too Close, Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Because Sari was reluctant to submit to a full diagnostic, Ratchet was only allowed to perform the most basic scans on her. He was able to determine that Sari was part basically organic, but with Cybertronian circuitry. Following a period of no contact with Bulkhead and Bumblebee, who had traveled to the mine to salvage space bridge equipment to contact Cybertron, Ratchet went to check up and help them out. What he found was a damaged Bulkhead and no sign of Bumblebee. Bringing Bulkhead back to the plant, he then attempted to repair Bulkhead, only to have Sari&#039;s Key overshadow his medical expertise, leaving him feeling unappreciated. Soon afterward, a giant [[Rock Lord]] was transported to Detroit after Bulkhead tried to bring back a transwarping Bumblebee. Ratchet equipped his EMP generator, which he hadn&#039;t used since he won it back from Lockdown, to help his team take down the creature and rescue Bumblebee, only to witness a newly upgraded Sari defeat the monster and save her friend instead. However, the Key&#039;s power overwhelmed Sari and caused her robotic systems to go berserk, blowing up everything she touched and even accidentally attacking Bumblebee. Ratchet initially requested Sari&#039;s Key to help him save Bumblebee, but discovered it no longer had any power after Prowl retrieved it.  Despite the setback, he managed to save Bumblebee from going offline without the Key&#039;s aid. When the others failed their attempts to stop Sari from exploding and save Detroit, Ratchet used his EMP generator to subdue her, even though he was unsure what the effects would have on a technorganic. &lt;br /&gt;
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Afterward, he operated on Sari to subdue the extra AllSpark energy she had stored in her body. When Omega Supreme reappeared on Earth, Ratchet was shocked to discover that his old friend had been taken over by Starscream and Megatron. Forced to take action, Ratchet upgraded Bumblebee&#039;s stingers to a more powerful battle-grade mode, even though such a modification was illegal for non-combat bots. When Optimus ordered Ratchet to reverse Sari&#039;s operation in order to use her AllSpark energy against Omega Supreme, Ratchet refused and instead aided his teammates directly in the heat of battle. He tried reasoning with Omega to help the titan gain control of his body, but was afraid that he might have to use his EMP on his old friend. Omega was able to fight off Starscream&#039;s control long enough to insist that Ratchet use the EMP to let him sleep again, echoing Ratchet&#039;s own advice from the last time the medic had put him in stasis. However, despite Ratchet&#039;s new resolve, Starscream&#039;s Allspark-fragment-powered consciousness rendered him immune to the blast. Once Bumblebee and Optimus planted a [[plasma dynamic thruster]] to make Omega transwarp around space randomly, Ratchet saved the pair from falling to their deaths.&lt;br /&gt;
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Later, when Wasp arrived on Earth, and attacked Bumblebee in the plant, Ratchet witnessed Bumblebee wake up from the attack colored like Wasp. Bumnblebee tried and failed to convince the Autobots that it was him, and when he failed, Ratchet prepared to arrest him. Bumblebee escaped as the Elite Guard arrived, and made it very clear that they were going to arrest Wasp. Optimus assigned Ratchet to go with him, and while looking for Wasp, they encountered [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]] and [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], who were also going after the renegade Autobot. Assuming them to be Decepticons, Prime and Ratchet tracked the pair to a dark alley and attacked them. Their fight was interrupted by [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who revealed that Jetfire and Jetstorm were flying Autobots. Ratchet then proceeded to follow Sentinel, [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], and Prime around the city, and responded to Jetstorm&#039;s call claiming that Bulkhead and Prowl are Wasp&#039;s &amp;quot;fellow-double-agents&amp;quot;. Ratchet then witnessed the video-game face-off between Bumblebee and Wasp to determine who was who, and also witnessed Wasp threaten the real Bumblebee&#039;s life. When Wasp escaped, Ratchet was one of the many Autobots to run outside, where they found Bumblebee back in his original colors, and witnessed Sentinel finally accept [[Shockwave (Animated)|Longarm Prime]] was the REAL Decepticon traitor. {{storylink|Where Is Thy Sting?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On Christmas Eve, Ratchet was seriously doubting that Santa could deliver billions of presents in just one night, but Sari told him not to worry about it. Later, after drinking oil nog that Sari had made (which was altered by one of [[Sound Wave|Soundwave&#039;s toys]]), Ratchet, along with the rest of the Autobots, suddenly felt very tired, and Ratchet was the first one to head off for a stasis-nap. What was even more mysterious was that, the next morning, the Autobots discover that they had been transformed into humans, and there was no rational explanation as to why. When Prime suggested that their minds had been implanted into the human bodies, Ratchet questioned where their Cybertronian bodies were. The Autobots then headed off to Sumdac Tower, and while they decided to stop at Burger-Bot for a bite to eat, they hear a noise outside, which turned out to be a Decepticon attack. Ratchet helped Optimus Prime get a woman out of a burning building, but was useless in trying to ward off Starscream, and when Optimus Prime&#039;s leg was broken, Ratchet was forced to help get him to a paramedic. The Autobots eventually got to Sumdac Tower (via City Bus), only to look up and see none other than...CYBERTRON! Not only that, but after the planet settled, Decepticons began to swarm down from it. Prime and Prowl figured out that none of it was happening, and that everything was fake, including the Deceptions. This established, the Autobots discovered that they could slag the Decepticons surprisingly easily. After they defeated the Decepticons, the Autobots managed to transform back into their Cybertronian forms, but just after that, they were attacked by a giant [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]. {{storylink|Human Error, Part I}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After managing to escape the giant Soundwave, the Autobots were transformed back into humans, much to Ratchet&#039;s annoyance. When Bulkhead tried to escape the virtual reality by trashing the virtual city, Ratchet told him it didn&#039;t work that way, and that they needed to find Soundwave&#039;s interface, which just conveniently turned up at that point. The Autobots decided to follow the vehicle driving nearby vehicles which happened to match their respective vehicle modes only to find that driving wasn&#039;t as easy as it looked. Ratchet though disagreed, though he was actually driving backwards (Nice one, Ratchet!). The Autobots eventually cornered the vehicle in a drive-in movie-theater parking-lot, but soon discovered that they had been lured into a trap, and were successfully reprogrammed by Soundwave. Ratchet&#039;s body later went up against Snarl, who defeated him by wrapping him up, immobilizing him. Afterward, Ratchet  joined the Autobots in standing around and watching the Disposal Droids (and Wreck-Gar) clean up the city. {{storylink|Human Error, Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Later, as Ratchet attempted to calibrate Bulkhead&#039;s space bridge to locate Omega Supreme, the bridge powered up and sucked in a visiting [[Carmine Fanzone|Captain Fanzone]]. Seeing a potential problem in this turn of events, Ratchet followed him into the bridge and found himself back on Cybertron. At first overjoyed to be back home, Ratchet&#039;s mood soon soured when he discovered that his favorite watering hole, [[Maccadam&#039;s Old Oil House]], had been shut down, a victim of the paranoid reign of [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]], who had been placed in charge of the planet following the near-fatal attack on Ultra Magnus by the Decepticon deep-cover agent, [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]]. Just as Sentinel was in the middle of reprimanding Ratchet for bringing Fanzone to the planet, however, Omega Supreme made a sudden appearance in the skies overhead, his body now under the control of Megatron once more. Ratchet&#039;s refusal to support Sentinel&#039;s plan simply to blast Omega out of the sky left him branded a traitor, and he and Fanzone fled into Cybertron&#039;s underground tunnels, where they stumbled upon Shockwave&#039;s hideout. In the course of the brief battle that ensued, Ratchet discovered that Shockwave was in search of Arcee, intending to use the activation codes for Omega Supreme stored in her processor to wipe clean his mind and put all of his systems in Megatron&#039;s hands. With a little help from [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]], Ratchet and Fanzone were able to get to Arcee first, but alas, in the process, they unwittingly wound up leading Shockwave right to her. The pair battled again, and although Ratchet was able to recover Ultra Magnus&#039;s stolen [[Magnus Hammer]] from the Decepticon, he failed to prevent Shockwave from escaping with Arcee in his clutches. Despite Sentinel Prime&#039;s protestations, Ratchet brought the Magnus Hammer with him back to Earth. {{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}.&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon the discovery that Megatron had control of Omega Supreme, Ratchet began to stress the fact that they needed to rescue him and Arcee from the Decepticons, and that they needed to use the Magnus Hammer to aid them in doing so. He was shocked when Prime asked him to build him a jetpack, stating that Autobots didn&#039;t fly. Though hesitant, Ratchet, along with Sari and Prof. Sumdac, proceeded to build Prime a jetpack that he could use to go up against Megatron. After the failure of the initial test of the jetpack, Ratchet added stabilizer wings to it, which gave Prime control when flying. Unfortunately, the flying Optimus Prime attracted the attention of [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]], who proceeded to shoot Prime out of the sky. Ratchet then simply repaired Prime, and just in time, as just then, the [[Lugnut Supreme]]s arrived on Earth {{storylink|Endgame, Part I}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet was sent to the moon with Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Sari to take back Omega Supreme to stop the Lugnut Supreme drones. With advice from Sari, he was able to reactivate Arcee and in turn able to take control of Omega Supreme. After Starscream&#039;s plan came into action, he took Omega Supreme in to try and stop the &amp;quot;Starscream Supremes&amp;quot; from self-destructing, successfully taking down one but unable to take down the other. He was present with Optimus Prime on their return to Cybertron with the Decepticon prisoners, holding Prowl&#039;s casket with Bumblebee, Bulkhead, and Jazz. {{storylink|Endgame, Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Ratchet attended the Stunti-Con&#039;s show in Kaon, unaware that the entire affair was a Decepticon plot to break Megatron out of the nearby Trypticon Prison. Thankfully, [[Sideswipe (Animated)|Sideswipe]] and [[Cheetor (Animated)|Cheetor]] interrupted the show, and with [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]]&#039;s help thwarted the Decepticons&#039; plans.&#039;&#039;{{storylink|The Stunti-Con Job}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Be the Hero&#039;&#039; books===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Note|As the following stories are [[multipath adventure]]s, details will vary depending on the path taken. See individual pages for information on alternate paths.}}&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Prime Suspect&#039;&#039;====&lt;br /&gt;
After [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus]] saved a [[You|young human]] from being run down, Ratchet was stuck with checking the youngster over for injuries. When evidence was discovered at the scene of the crime Prime was accused of, he paid the Autobot ship a visit to conduct a scan, leading the Autobots to [[HomeTech]]&#039;s main warehouse. Ratchet joined them there and helped them break in. He stayed out of the battle until the end, trapping [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] in a magnetic field and unraveling the Decepticon&#039;s plan. {{storylink|Prime Suspect}}&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Quest for the AllSpark&#039;&#039;====&lt;br /&gt;
When [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] took control of [[Detroit]]&#039;s robot workforce in an attempt to find the [[AllSpark]], Ratchet and Prime came up with a daring plan to create false AllSparks and hide them in various locations. Ratchet took his to [[Paris]] to hide, and was attacked as soon as he set foot in [[France]]. After winning that fight, he returned to the Autobot base and beefed up the defences to prevent Megatron from ever gaining access to it, and ended up battling [[Crush-A]] with the rest of the Autobots. {{storylink|Quest for the AllSpark}}&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Web of Deception&#039;&#039;====&lt;br /&gt;
Ratchet and Optimus were in the Autobot ship at the bottom of [[Lake Erie]] when it was struck by a number of [[Sparkseeker]] missiles and Prime was abducted. Once he recovered, Ratchet was able to detect [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]&#039;s ship parked near [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. While the other younger bots went to rescue Prime, Ratchet stayed on board the ship and eventually detected the holotransmitter that [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] was using. He was able to track it back to its source and rescue Prime. {{storylink|Web of Deception}}&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Time-Quake&#039;&#039;====&lt;br /&gt;
When strange time effects began taking place across Detroit, Ratchet made special detectors to trace the source of the temporal energy. After Bulkhead and a human discovered the time machine that was causing the odd effects, Ratchet assisted in taking down the perpetrator. {{storylink|Time-Quake}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Titan Magazines===&lt;br /&gt;
He was the only person to realise the earthquakes plaguing Detroit couldn&#039;t be natural as it wasn&#039;t on a fault-line. He got to zap the villain responsible, [[Quake-Maker]], once everyone else had done all the hard work.  {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 1#Burnout|Burnout}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet oversaw a mission to Dinobot Island with Sari, Bumblebee and [[Afterburn]], to investigate a Rage virus infection in the Dinobots. Soon after landing, the group were jumped by [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]] and Ratchet was soon pinned; luckily, Sari reminded him of the magnetic powers he uses all the time, and he was able to get Snarl off. &lt;br /&gt;
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The Dinobot had stolen his spare oil thermos in the process though and, wanting to see if Afterburn was really up to joining them, lied to his friends and told them a vital component had been ripped out and &#039;&#039;he was dying&#039;&#039;. They risked their lives getting the thermos back on top of curing the Dinobots, and after hearing why they&#039;d been made to do it, Afterburn shook Ratchet&#039;s hand for being an emotionally manipulative bastard.  {{storylink|Animated Comic issue 2|Ratchet &amp;amp; Grimlock Are DEAD?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;The Cool&#039;&#039; comic===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TheCoolRatchetExplosion01.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Run, Bumblebee! The Japanese sound effects are exploding!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Witnessing the mysterious Allspark being uncovered, Ratchet along with the rest of Optimus Prime&#039;s crew fled through a space bridge gate in order to keep the artifact out of Decepticon clutches. Unfortunately, Megatron was able to board their ship and left Ratchet defeated on the floor, leaving Optimus to deal with the Decepticon leader by himself. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 3|The Cool Extra #3}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet was among the Autobots who traveled to the [[Earth]] city of [[Detroit]] in order to protect the [[AllSpark#Animated|AllSpark]] from the Decepticons. When [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]], [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] and [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] attacked, Ratchet joined in the fray, pitting his magnet pincers against Lockdown with the aid of [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]&#039;s stingers. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Autobots were unable to prevent Starscream from seizing the AllSpark, however, and Ratchet was helpless to defend himself from Starscream&#039;s AllSpark-powered aerial attacks. When [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] died stopping Starscream, and was subsequently revived by the power of [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]]&#039;s [[AllSpark Key|key]], Ratchet was the first to greet him (and tell him he was dead for a minute). {{storylink|The Cool Episode 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet later took part in defending [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]] from a Decepticon raid. Ratchet expressed displeasure at [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]&#039;s aerial bombardments, not thinking the Autobots could hold out much longer. Once the [[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s saved the day, however, he saw them off along with the rest of the Autobots. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 3}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet was present at [[Sumdac Systems]] headquarters when Megatron was reborn. Megatron blasted Ratchet away with his [[fusion cannon]] easily, though Ratchet survived the fight. He later joined in greeting the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] to Earth. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TheCoolSariRatchetIssue08.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ratchet later joined the Autobots in a battle against [[Clone number 2716057|Clone #2716057]]. Though Prowl defeated the clone, Ratchet berated his comrade for destroying an entire park in the process. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Along with [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]], Ratchet piloted the &#039;&#039;[[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Orion]]&#039;&#039; toward the battle for the Decepticon [[Space bridge#Animated cartoon|Space Bridge]]. Intensely, Ratchet urged his comrades to hold out long enough for him to arrive.{{storylink|The Cool Episode 7}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They arrived in time and Ratchet immediately activated Code Omega and transformed the &#039;&#039;Orion&#039;&#039; into his old friend, [[Omega Supreme (Animated)|Omega Supreme]]. Omega vanquished the army of [[Starscream clone (Animated)|Starscream clones]] then chose to sacrifice himself to stop the overloaded Space Bridge. Ratchet pleaded with his old friend not to do it, as they&#039;d only just been reunited. Omega thanked Ratchet for everything and then vanished in the vortex. After the battle, Ratchet solemnly bid his departed friend farewell. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 8}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Ratchet returned to Cybertron to oversea Ultra Magnus&#039;s recovery, the Autobot leader believing himself on his death-bed, requested that Ratchet let Optimus know that unto him the Magnus Hammer would be passed on. Ratchet was to deliver the hammer to him and let Optimus know that he was to rejoin the Elite Guard, having been dismissed from it cruelly. Ratchet nonetheless insisted that Ultra Magnus should tell this to Optimus himself, but the moment was interrupted by another assassination attempt from Shockwave! The Decepticon spy was nonetheless defeated through a combination of Ratchet using his magnetic powers to pummel him with the Magnus Hammer, and Ultra Magnus activating the hammer&#039;s electrical powers at a key moment, frying Shcokwave dead. Upon his return to Earth, Ratchet informed Optimus that it was now the time to put the hammer in Optimus&#039;s possession to good use against their Decepticon enemies. {{storylink|The Cool Extra issue 1|The Cool Extra #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Starscream attacked Detroit in Omega Supreme&#039;s body, Ratchet expressed shock at the sight of seeing his friend alive.  Prowl was quick to point out to him that Omega was merely a puppet of Starscream&#039;s. {{storylink|The Cool Episode 9}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon Megatron&#039;s defeat, Ratchet accompanied the rest of the Autobots back to planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], where they were all hailed as heroes by the citizenry and even [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel]]. {{storylink|The Cool Episode Final}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
===Transformers Animated: The Game===&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Voice actor:&#039;&#039; [[Corey Burton]] (English)&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TFAnimated Game Ratchet.jpg|thumb|left|134px|&amp;quot;Darn it, my shoulder kibble fell off again.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Ratchet took up the task of giving hints to Optimus, Bumblebee and Bulkhead as they tried out an obstacle course. He picked up a Decepticon signal, which turned out to be a [[Decepticon Transmitter Drone]]. After [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] retrieved the drone, Ratchet was able to use it to intercept some Decepticon transmissions indicating that [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] was planning to make a move on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. He attempted to contact [[Cybertron Command]] to warn them, only to find the communication network was down. Ratchet rigged the transmitter drone to return to base, so the Autobots could track it back to the hidden Decepticon lair, but it escaped before they could do so. Once Optimus located the base, Ratchet sent the Teletran-1 probe to act as a temporary repair drone. After Optimus&#039;s team returned triumphant from Cybertron, Ratchet wondered if Optimus&#039;s processor needed looking at, as their leader had turned down a position in the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The Game}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Transformers Animated: &#039;&#039;Action Packs&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{note|Ratchet is featured as a playable game card. He is a red card, has a value of 3 points, and has the following power: &amp;quot;+2 to any Autobots in play.&amp;quot;}} {{storylink|Transformers Animated: Action Packs}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
====Deluxe Class====&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Ratchetanimatedeluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Gut doesn&#039;t fold down as well as it used to...]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TA-04&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Hammer, wrench, screwdriver, can opener&lt;br /&gt;
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: First shipping in Wave 2, Ratchet transforms into a stylized ambulance. In robot mode, his &amp;quot;magnets&amp;quot; are simulated by spring-loaded pieces in the underside of his forearms that flip up through his open hands. He also features a veritable arsenal of fixit tools that attach to the undeployed magnets to simulate him holding them, so you too can experience the glee of having the old coot savagely beat someone with a servo-wrench. These tools can store in his backpack in robot mode, but cannot be stored in his vehicle mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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:At least on some samples of the toy, his vehicle mode does not hold together very well at all. His legs are also prone to popping off at the thigh swivel, though fortunately they pop right back on.&lt;br /&gt;
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: The &amp;quot;war wound&amp;quot; on his left forearm is actually a socket into which one may peg the EMP generator included with the deluxe [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]] toy. Early releases of the Ratchet toy had the peg slightly too long, forcing the EMP to pop out of the socket. Later releases (basically most everything beyond the original &amp;quot;test market&amp;quot; release) had a shorter peg, allowing the EMP to clip in just fine.&lt;br /&gt;
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: The original instruction sheet for this toy has an error in step 5, where it depicted the front wheels as staying immobile (i.e., the visible wheel isn&#039;t tinted orange), whereas in fact they are part of the front bumper assembly, and swing back in that step along with the bumper.&lt;br /&gt;
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: This toy would later be [[redeco]]ed to make [[Ratchet (Animated)#Rescue|Rescue Ratchet]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Ratchet/ratchet.htm More information on Deluxe Ratchet at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Animated-toy RescueRatchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Lemony-fresh goodness!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Rescue Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Multi-pack, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Hammer, wrench, screwdriver, can opener&lt;br /&gt;
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: A Target-[[exclusive]] [[redeco]] of Deluxe Ratchet in a yellow and light gray.  The photo of the toy on the back of the packaging shows a fairly obvious [[homage]] to the [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] incarnation of [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]], with bright green instead of yellow and movie-inspired zig-zagged stripes, but the toy-as-released is in yellow, using the same tampos as the original &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; deluxe.   He comes in a set with two [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends-class]] figures, [[Prowl (Animated)#RescueRatchet|Prowl]] and [[Starscream (Animated)#RescueRatchet|Starscream]]. He retains all of his original toy&#039;s [[gimmick]]ry, and features metallic paint on his front bumper. The hinged clip portion of his tools are cast in the same color plastic as he is, to prevent accessory cross-contamination with the original deluxe toy.&lt;br /&gt;
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: His &amp;quot;magnets&amp;quot; are &#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039; cast in the same yellow plastic, making him look like an aye-aye.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/RescueRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Rescue Ratchet at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Cybertron Mode Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2010)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Two shock paddles&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Animatedtoy-RatchetCybertronMode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Just take the slaggin&#039; EMP, Lockdown.  It doesn&#039;t stay in anyway.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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: Cybertron Mode Ratchet is an entirely new mold based upon his pre-Earth form seen in many flashbacks, particularly when he was younger.  (Lockdown&#039;s EMP weapon is required to complete the look, though half of the owners report that it doesn&#039;t stay in very well, while the other half oddly reports it to fit on this figure better than it does on any other figure.)  He comes with two &amp;quot;shock paddles&amp;quot; which peg over his fists, and his right fist punches forward when a tab on his elbow is pushed.  The &amp;quot;shock paddles&amp;quot; plug into the rear of his vehicle mode.  &lt;br /&gt;
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: Cybertron Mode Ratchet is exclusive to Toys&amp;quot;R&amp;quot;Us, along with Arcee.&lt;br /&gt;
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: The sprues for this mold included heads for both Ratchet and [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]], a later release in a new deco. It was later [[retool]]ed to make the [[BotCon 2011]]-exclusive [[Ironfist (Animated)|Fisitron]] and [[Autotrooper (Animated)|Autotrooper]] toys.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2010/Autobot/CybertronianRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Cybertron Mode Ratchet at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Takara animatedratchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Pimp My Ride: Detroit EMS Edition]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Medic Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2010)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TA-04&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Hammer, wrench, screwdriver, can opener&lt;br /&gt;
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: The [[TakaraTomy]] &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; Ratchet uses the same mold and comes with the same accessories as the [[Hasbro]] release, but features a shinier paint job. Ratchet&#039;s hood, roof, and legs are painted in a metallic red, and the non-metallic red paint apps are considerably glossier than the Hasbro toy. The toy is cast in a lighter, off-white plastic instead of gray, and also possesses a full-color Autobot symbol.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Included in the packaging are an instruction booklet, a collectible trading card, and a brochure highlighting many other quality products on which you can spend your hard-earned cash.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Takara animated ratchetcybertronmode.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|&amp;quot;You morons have just hung vacancy signs on your afts, and my foot&#039;s looking for a room!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Medic Ratchet Cybertronmode&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, August 2010)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TA-40&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: two &amp;quot;shock paddles&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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: Continuing the metallic theme, TakaraTomy&#039;s version of &amp;quot;Cybertron Mode&amp;quot; Ratchet uses the same mold as Hasbro and has a shiny crimson paint job and full-color symbol to match TA-04. Included in the package in addition to the usual trading card and instruction booklet, is an &amp;quot;Autobot Database&amp;quot; pamphlet, which contains information about the character squeezed into the spaces between advertisements for other toys.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Bumper Battlers====&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|BumperBattler}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BumperBattlers Ratchet toy.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|It&#039;s just &#039;&#039;water retention, DAMN IT!&#039;&#039;]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Bumper Battlers, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
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: An even &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; simplified version of Ratchet, the [[Bumper Battlers]] version also features a spring-loaded transformation from ambulance to robot. However, in this instance, when the front bumper of the ambulance mode is pushed in, the spring-loaded roof/sides of the vehicle flip up to reveal a relief of Ratchet&#039;s robot mode (complete with magnet-clamps), as well as activating electronic sound effects.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Pressing his Autobot sigil activates numerous randomly-selected sound effects and original voice samples, including a very disturbing laugh.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/BBRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Bumper Battlers Ratchet at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CanceledBBAniRatchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Thank you for dialing WHINE-one-one. If you hold the line, a WAAAAAAAAAHmbulance will be over shortly.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Bumper Battlers, &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;2009&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt;)&lt;br /&gt;
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:A [[redeco]] of Bumper Battlers Ratchet was evidently planned, as the instruction sheet for it made its way to Hasbro.com&#039;s instruction archive. As the instructions reuse the packaging art from the Target-exclusive Rescue Ratchet (see above), it was presumably going to share its color scheme.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Activators====&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|Activator}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Ratchetanimatedactivators.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The Grampulance.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Activators, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
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: A smaller, simpler version of Ratchet, the [[Activators]] Ratchet toy has a spring-loaded [[autotransformation]] [[gimmick]] that springs him from ambulance mode to robot mode in one easy step.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Pre-release samples of the toy (used for the stock photography seen on the packaging and in online solicitations) show Activators Ratchet to have an unbroken right crest on his head, contrary to his [[character model]]. The final released version of the toy has the broken crest as he should.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/ActRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on Activators Ratchet at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Animated Super Collection Vol. 1&#039;&#039;&#039; (multipack, 2010)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Released in October 2010 in Japan, the &amp;quot;Animated Super Collection Vol. 1&amp;quot; giftset contained slight redecos of Activators Ratchet, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] and [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]].&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Sunstorm VS Autobot Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (multipack, 2009)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Activators Ratchet was packaged with Voyager [[Sunstorm (Animated)|Sunstorm]] in a Target-exclusive multipack. There are no notable differences between this and the original individual release of the toy.&lt;br /&gt;
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====McDonalds====&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Animated happymeal ratchet.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The only toy version of Ratchet without a paunch and he&#039;s used to sell transfat-laden fast-food.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal Toy, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: Week 5&lt;br /&gt;
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: A simple version of Ratchet with a very basic transformation sequence, this toy was (naturally) part of the McDonald&#039;s &#039;&#039;Transformers Animated&#039;&#039; Happy Meal promotion.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/McRatchet/ratchet.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s Ratchet at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
===Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|TakaraKeychain}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Animated ratchet keychain.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I caught my fancy in my zipper once.  Eee-ouch.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Autobot Medic Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (Key chain, 2010)&lt;br /&gt;
:Key chain Ratchet is an adorable, brightly painted, tiny figure of robot mode Ratchet in a super-deformed visual style. He includes a ball chain to attach him to your keys, rear-view mirror, or anywhere else that might catch your fancy.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
* The Autobot medical officer was originally conceived as a female robot named [[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]].[http://tformers.com/transformers-interview-transformers-animated/8992/news.html] Even after it was decided to make the character male later in development, he retained the name &amp;quot;Red Alert&amp;quot; until executive producer [[Sam Register]] was able to convince Hasbro that &amp;quot;Ratchet&amp;quot; was a more identifable name for the character. Because of this, Ratchet&#039;s final design carries influences from various [[Red Alert (disambiguation)|Red Alert]] incarnations. In particular, [[Derrick J. Wyatt|Derrick Wyatt]] was inspired by the box art for [[Red Alert (G1)|G1 Red Alert]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[:File:BTAAlert toy.jpg|Binaltech Asterisk]]&#039;&#039; incarnation. [http://community.livejournal.com/tf_animated/271043.html#cutid1]&lt;br /&gt;
* The &amp;quot;war wound&amp;quot; on his left arm (seen in his main picture, above) was briefly gone after &amp;quot;The Thrill of the Hunt&amp;quot;, apparently representing the replacement of his arm-mounted EMP generator.  However, it has since returned in several instances.  The &amp;quot;real world&amp;quot; reason is probably the animators sticking to the original animation model.  Within story context, he apparently didn&#039;t carry the EMP generator around as standard until &amp;quot;[[TransWarped]]&amp;quot;, when Prowl (who borrowed it [[A Fistful of Energon|once before]]) notes that he hadn&#039;t &amp;quot;taken it into battle since [he] got it back from Lockdown.&amp;quot; It later emerges &#039;&#039;from&#039;&#039; the wound in &amp;quot;[[Endgame, Part II]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* There is a potential contradiction between &amp;quot;[[The Thrill of the Hunt]]&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;[[The Arrival issue 3#&amp;quot;&#039;Bots of Science&amp;quot;|&#039;Bots of Science]]&amp;quot;, as both stories depict Ratchet&#039;s right-hand chevron being broken off - by Lockdown&#039;s haymaker in the former and Oil Slick&#039;s roundhouse in the latter. This could be a continuity error, or it could be the case that Ratchet had his chevron broken on one occasion, repaired it, and then after it was broken a &#039;&#039;second&#039;&#039; time he allowed it to remain broken. It would certainly appear that the comic story took place before the Lockdown encounter, since Ratchet still has his EMP generator in &#039;&#039;Bots of Science&#039;&#039;. Curiously though, Ratchet&#039;s chevron is shown to already have some kind of crack or weld-line running across it prior to Oil Slick&#039;s kick, which could indicate that it was already on the verge of breaking.&lt;br /&gt;
* The toys of &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; Ratchet, [[Ratchet (G1)|Generation 1 Ratchet]] and [[Ratchet (Movie)|Movie Ratchet]] are caught in a web of cross-referencing [[redeco]]s:&lt;br /&gt;
** In 2008, the original Generation 1 Ratchet mold got a green redeco as &amp;quot;Ratchet Emergency Green&amp;quot; in obvious reference to his yellowy-green [[Ratchet (Movie)|movie cousin]].&lt;br /&gt;
** About the same time, two of movie Ratchet&#039;s toys got a red and white ambulance redeco as &amp;quot;Rescue Ratchet&amp;quot; to ape [[Ratchet (G1)|Generation 1 Ratchet]]. &lt;br /&gt;
** &#039;&#039;Animated&#039;&#039; Ratchet, his original design already referencing both predecessors with Generation 1 Ratchet&#039;s chevron and coloring and movie Ratchet&#039;s squiggly EEG symbol, had a further homage to the latter with a yellow redeco as (another) &amp;quot;Rescue Ratchet&amp;quot;. You&#039;d think they&#039;d all be too busy patching up wounded &#039;bots to get so much personal detailing done.&lt;br /&gt;
* He can pinch with his magnet-clamps. &lt;br /&gt;
* He has microscope lenses which can be activated in either eye.&lt;br /&gt;
* His windshield chest can act as an image projector in robot mode.{{storylink|This Is Why I Hate Machines}}&lt;br /&gt;
* Seriously, he&#039;s not [[Kup (Animated)|Kup]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Ratchet wears the [[256-OZU-004]] [[body-type]].&lt;br /&gt;
* In the Japanese dub, Ratchet speaks with a [[Wikipedia:Kagoshima dialect|Kagoshima dialect]].  That particular dialect has been gradually phased out over the decades due to standardized education and is generally only spoken by older people in the region.  As such, in popular Japanese media, the Kagoshima dialect is easy shorthand for &amp;quot;old person&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Ratchet&#039;&#039;&#039; (ラチェット &#039;&#039;Rachetto&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Russian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Chrapovick&#039;&#039;&#039; (Храповик, &amp;quot;Ratchet&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/Ratchet/ratchet.htm Ratchet at TFU.info]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Blackarachnia (BW)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Squigsquasher: /* Legends */&lt;/p&gt;
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{{disambig3|Blackarachnia}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] who changes allegiances with alarming frequency from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TFLegends-Blackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Hot, poisonous, and deadly. Rawr!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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A sultry femme fatale, &#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; is smart, sexy, and dangerous. She&#039;s got eight legs, and she knows how to use them. Of the several rebellious Predacons under [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]&#039;s command, she&#039;s one of the very few who can, on occasion, outguile him. Always looking out for Number One, Blackarachnia values her independence and freedom above all else. She would rather be deactivated than be a slave.&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia&#039;s greatest weakness, other than her overconfidence, is her feelings for the Maximal [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Something about his heroic demeanor and the kindness he shows her makes her uneasy. She hasn&#039;t experienced unconditional love before, and it scares her, though she&#039;ll never admit it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even when I&#039;m good, I&#039;m still bad.|Blackarachnia|&amp;quot;[[Crossing the Rubicon]]&amp;quot;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
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Working by moonlight, Blackarachnia posed as a double agent. In reality, this was merely a ruse she utilized in order to lure unwitting Maximals into her darkened den, where she first paralyzed her victim with a poisonous missile. She then proceeded to restrain her victim with her powerful legs, and subsequently sucked their life force dry... kinky. She was capable of converting thermal energy into [[cyber venom]]. {{storylink|Blackarachnia (BW)#Toys|Blackarachnia bio}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The new [[Transmetal 2]] body Blackarachnia acquired from Megatron&#039;s mysterious new technology had the power to cast illusions, altering her physical appearance and position for up to five minutes thanks to the electro disruptor housed in her... rear segment. {{storylink|Blackarachnia (BW)#Beast Wars|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia toy bio}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cartoon continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; cartoon====&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Venus Terzo]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese)|[[Fátima Noya]] (Portuguese), [[Françoise Vallon]] (French), [[Loredana Alfieri]] (Italian), [[Uta Dahlbridge]] (German), [[Olga Hnidey]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Marisa Marco]] (Castilian Spanish)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BAintroduction.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Ah, the art of tightrope walking! One can&#039;t deny Blackarachnia her talents.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia was born from one of the [[Maximal|Maximals&#039;]] fallen [[stasis pod]]s. [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], watching a black widow fight and devour another spider, was inspired. [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], observing the slim and attractive Blackarachnia transform and strike a few poses, suggested that he had &amp;quot;ulterior motives behind her beast form selection&amp;quot; but she was a Predacon, and that was what was important. In the battle with the Maximals that followed, she easily defeated [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] with a well-placed kick. She was later reported as &amp;quot;missing,&amp;quot; though the reasons why and how were never addressed. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She was soon assigned to a mission with [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] to dig under the [[Axalon (BW)|Maximal base]] and use a [[sonic emitter]] she had invented to blow a hole into the bottom. She didn&#039;t get on well with either of them, but they managed to eventually get to the point where they were ready to trigger the emitter... only for [[Tigatron]] to steal it. By the time they caught up with the Maximal, the emitter was ready to explode, and they could only flee the blast area. {{storylink|A Better Mousetrap}} When [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]]&#039;s virus turned [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] into a berserker and he invaded the [[Darksyde (BW)|Predacon base]], Blackarachnia and Terrorsaur battled the other Maximals as they also tried to gain entry. Unfortunately Cheetor slipped past them and was able to rescue Primal, however at least the other Maximals were held off. {{storylink|Gorilla Warfare}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was present during the interrogation of Cheetor when the Predacons discovered that a [[temporal probe|Maximal probe]] was flying past the planet, and took part in the battle to destroy the signal array which the Maximals were building. Once [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] was locked into his dino-mode by Tarantualas&#039;s [[transformation lock lens]], Blackarachnia delivered the coup de grâce to his pride after hitting the disabled Maximal with several kicks to the face, only to be subsequently blasted off a cliff by [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. {{storylink|The Probe}} The Predacons staged a deception, faking their own destruction and using signal dampeners invented by Blackarachnia to hide while the Maximals use parts from their ship to repair the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;. After being discovered by Dinobot, they pursued him. During an attempt to rush the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia was blasted by the ship&#039;s defenses. {{storylink|Victory (episode)|Victory}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TheSpark Blackarachnia spidermode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Prime used to leave his trailer behind when he transformed, so why &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; she do the same with her thorax?]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Megatron turned [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] into a Predacon using a [[Transmuter (BW)|Transmuter]], Blackarachnia and Megatron were startled by Waspinator&#039;s impression of [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]. {{storylink|Dark Designs}} Blackarachnia and Scorponok were dispatched to retrieve the latest crashed stasis pod. They encountered Tigatron, who disabled Scorponok, but was himself paralyzed by Blackarachnia&#039;s venom. At the pod, she fought Cheetor at length, but he caught her venom dart and used it to knock her out. {{storylink|The Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Trigger Blackarachnia chair.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Blackarachnia empowered by the chair.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The discovery of a mysterious [[Brigadoon|flying island]] led to Megatron dispatching Blackarachnia and Scorponok to investigate it. Blackarachnia, when she saw the power wielded by the island, resolved to herself that she would take control of it. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}} As the pair reached the obelisk in the center of the island, Waspinator and Terrorsaur arrived, and Blackarachnia tricked them into using their weapons, causing the island defenses to blast them. She then got rid of Scorponok using one of the island&#039;s traps, and took control of the island&#039;s power herself. Though she started piloting the island toward the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, Tigatron was able to destroy its energy supply, and the whole thing crashed to the ground. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She soon attempted to forge an alliance with Tarantulas, flattering him and accompanying him on a mission to secure the latest stasis pod to crash. Unfortunately they were too late to ensure the protoform obtained an arachnid [[beast mode]], and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] was born. While Blackarachnia was trying to get the new Predacon under control, Tarantulas made off with the real prize — the stasis pod itself. After the pod was destroyed, Tarantulas revealed to her that the planet was doomed, and she realised he&#039;d intended to use the pod to build an escape ship, but he rebuffed her offer of further help and threw her out of his lair. {{storylink|Spider&#039;s Game}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Possession Blackarachnia slags Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.55|Her eyes are up there! And down there! Take your pick.]]&lt;br /&gt;
A Predacon plan to steal the [[rectifier coil]] from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; resulted in the Maximals going feral, and Blackarachnia was part of the hunting party which pursued them into the jungle. She was defeated by Dinobot after the Maximals overcame their little problem. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] took control of Waspinator&#039;s body and the Predacons were able to conquer the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, the Decepticon took Blackarachnia under his wing as a student and revealed his true intent to overthrow Megatron. After he abandoned her in the Maximal base, leaving her to escape Primal and Dinobot on her own, she took that as a hint to return the favour, and later shot a cluster of energon crystals, blasting Starscream free from Waspinator. She then engaged in some quick talking to get herself out of trouble with Megatron. {{storylink|Possession}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Tarantulas infected Rhinox with an [[energon discharge virus]], and was later himself incapacitated, leading the Predacons to investigate his lair to see if they could dig up any more of the virus. Blackarachnia was able to find a counter-virus, but while Megatron was attempting a brilliant gambit against the attacking Maximals, Rhinox countered with an almighty fart which left the Predacon forces hanging from a tree. {{storylink|The Low Road}} Some time later, Megatron called a truce when signs pointed to the [[Vok|aliens]] returning. Tarantulas stole a transwarp cell from the &#039;&#039;Darksyde&#039;&#039;, leading Megatron to assign Blackarachnia to keep an eye on him. The two spiders attempted to stop Tigatron escaping the Predacon base, but were tricked into being flattened by a boulder by Dinobot. They were the least damaged, however, and dragged the rest of the Predacons back to base. {{storylink|Before the Storm}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:OtherVoices2 possessed Blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Tarantulas feels pretty, oh so pretty...]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia offered to help Tarantulas break into the Maximal base to steal a stasis pod. They were able to use one of Blackarachnia&#039;s inventions to penetrate the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; shields and overcome Rhinox and Dinobot. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}} As Tarantulas worked to turn the stasis pod into an escape ship, Blackarachnia turned on him, intending to use the pod herself. They were interrupted by Inferno, who slagged Tarantulas, but Blackarachnia was easily able to defeat him in return. She linked to Tarantulas&#039;s mind to obtain the necessary information, and successfully completed modifying the pod... only to be captured by the Maximals. Optimus forced her to change the control codes to respond to him, so he could pilot the pod himself and destroy the [[Planet Buster]] weapon threatening the planet. As it happened, Megatron had sabotaged the transwarp cell, and Optimus was unable to eject before impact. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While attempting to escape from the Maximal base, Blackarachnia was shocked to discover that her earlier interfacing with Taratulas had resulted in a permanent mind-link between the two of them. Tarantulas was able to force her to take his body with her as she left the base. Though she was intercepted by Tigatron and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], Megatron happened to turn up at that point. He threatened to terminate Blackarachnia, but she talked her way out of it by pointing out the simple fact that Megatron&#039;s stock of troops was sorely depleted. Of course, during the inevitable battle, Tarantulas forced Blackarachnia to retreat with his body. {{storylink|Aftermath}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ComingoftheFuzors Blackarachnia downloading.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|She blinded me with computer science!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Returning to the Predacon base, Blackarachnia interrupted Dinobot stealing the [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]]s, but refused Tarantulas&#039;s order that she should try to get them back. Instead she repaired him, but discovered that the mind link persisted. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}} While Tarantulas went to help Megatron&#039;s latest battle, Blackarachnia dug through the base&#039;s computer for information on the Golden Disks and discovered important data, including the access codes to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. she was able to download it while Tarantulas was unconscious, and destroyed the computer. She later told Megatron and Tarantulas that Dinobot had destroyed the computer and the data lost. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The two spiders were later sent with new recruit [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] to build a refueling station in a cave full of energon. Tarantulas schemed to take over the cave himself and attempted to persuade Blackarachnia to join him, but soon realised she was hiding something from him. When he tried to rip the information from her mind, she cracked an energon cube, the radiation causing them both pain and forcing him to sever the mental link. He threatened to tear her apart, but was interrupted when Rattrap and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] arrived to fight. Silverbolt, much to Rattrap&#039;s annoyance, refused to strike Blackarachnia because she was female. In the end, Tarantulas used the battle as cover to fake the destruction of the cave, and the trio had to report their failure to Megatron. {{storylink|Tangled Web}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Dinobot attempted to defect back to the Predacons, Blackarachnia suggested he prove himself by fighting with Quickstrike. {{storylink|Maximal, No More}} During another alien incursion, Megatron took Blackarachnia and Inferno to the Maximal base, where they were able to overcome Rhinox, the sole Maximal there. Blackarachnia grabbed the alien [[Golden Disk (Vok)|Golden Disk]]. Megatron and Tarantulas colluded to work against the aliens, and when Megatron questioned why, Blackarachnia revealed that she had learned from the mind link that Tarantulas hated the aliens and wanted to destroy them. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 1)}} Though Blackarachnia was rendered unconscious by a blast from the [[Metal Hunter|alien construct]] that appeared, she was reactivated when Megatron took control of the construct and brought the other Predacons aboard. She was one of the Predacons sent out to defend the construct against the Maximals, but Tarantulas managed to infiltrate and destroy it anyway. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachnia fightback.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Spousal abuse!]]&lt;br /&gt;
When an energon blast sent her and Silverbolt into the middle of the dense jungles, they were forced to work together. Though attracted to the [[Fuzor]], Blackarachnia was endlessly frustrated by his seemingly idiotic chivalry and need to treat her specially. Megatron, listening in via a [[synch-pulse transmitter]] he&#039;d planted on her, was disgusted by the obvious romance going on. Still Silverbolt and Blackarachnia worked together surprisingly well, saving each other&#039;s life in turns, and eventually defeating [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] with the help of Optimus and Cheetor. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Predacons attacked the valley of proto-humans, Blackarachnia was teamed with Inferno. She did considerable damage to Dinobot before being blasted herself. {{storylink|Code of Hero}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia took advantage of Silverbolt&#039;s obvious interest in her, meeting the Maximal at a secluded location to obtain a [[graviton generator]].  She used the generator to convert a stasis pod into a makeship hoversled, and later overheard Megatron giving a mission to Waspinator.  As the Maximals fought their way into the Predacon base, Blackarachnia emerged on her sled to encounter Silverbolt. Silverbolt refused a direct order from Optimus to shoot her, allowing her to leave and tail Waspinator instead. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} Silverbolt eventually caught up with Blackarachnia, who resorted to shooting him in order to try to get the point across that he should leave her alone. It didn&#039;t really work, and when the hoversled she was on hit Waspinator, Silverbolt saved her from plummeting to the ground. He subsequently joined her in digging into the side of the mountain they had been heading towards. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BA Silverbolt Agenda3.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|I can walk, you know.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Finally they broke through into a huge cavern containing the Ark, and Blackarachnia explained the ship&#039;s significance to her companion. While she was keen to take the power for herself, Megatron arrived and knocked Silverbolt offline before caving in the tunnel they&#039;d dug. Having always intended for her to reach the Ark as he knew she had the access codes, Megatron threatened to vape Silverbolt unless she did what he said. Bitterly, she agreed to his demands, reluctantly opening the ship and, while Megatron went on, using the Ark&#039;s security system to hold off the Maximals. Megatron took the opportunity to attempt to assassinate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], potentially erasing the Maximals from history. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately for Megatron, Blackarachnia had originally been a Maximal protoform, and certainly wasn&#039;t willing to die for his cause. She activated [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I&#039;s]] security nets to force Megatron off the ship. With Silverbolt&#039;s help, she got the dying Autobot leader under life support and began the repairs. The Maximals were forced to accept her help, but while the Maximals were occupied with Megatron, Blackarachnia slipped out... only to be trapped by falling rocks, and slagged by Megatron during his escape. Silverbolt cradled her to his chest as she shut down, swearing vengeance until the other Maximals suggested he stop messing around and get her to a repair chamber. With no much other choice, Blackarachnia joined the Maximal ranks. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}} She even spent time on guard duty outside the base with Silverbolt. {{storylink|Deep Metal}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia quickly showed her usefulness to the Maximals, building a hand-powered [[subaquatic stealth vessel]] that could retrieve Sentinel from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;&#039;s underwater resting place. Rattrap was less than thrilled about having to use the &amp;quot;Predacon beach ball&amp;quot;. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cutting Edge Blackarachnia kids.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Actually just picking up lunch.]]&lt;br /&gt;
She was even less thrilled when she ended up having to escort two human children back to their tribe along with Cheetor, who was exhibiting a boyish crush on her, much to Silverbolt&#039;s annoyance. Rattrap was also rather distrusting of her, as earlier he had spied Blackarachnia sneaking some parts from a classified area. But when Megatron&#039;s new [[cyber raptor]]s attacked, Blackarachnia showed her good side by defending the children, even taking a hit from Tarantulas for them, which she immediately denied to an impressed Silverbolt by saying she slipped. With the cyber raptors defeated, she informed Cheetor that he was a nice kid - which were two strikes against him, so don&#039;t go looking for strike three. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] returned from a mission reporting that Cheetor had been destroyed trying to interfere with Megatron&#039;s experiment, however the Maximal had secretly brought back the [[Transmetal driver]], a component of Megatron&#039;s experiment. Though he tossed it into a pool of lava, Blackarachnia was able to grab it before it was destroyed. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}} She took part in the search for Cheetor, leading Silverbolt to develop jealousy at her apparent concern for their comrade. He later turned up with, it transpired, a new [[Transmetal 2]] body, which Blackarachnia took particular interest in. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ProvingGrounds Blackarachnia wink.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Look at that trustworthy face! Blackarachnia&#039;s not going to backstab us!]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Rhinox scanned her and found the [[shell program]] that made her a Predacon, Blackarachnia finally got fed up with Rattrap&#039;s attitude and Cheetor&#039;s crush, and would have choked/blasted them both if Optimus hadn&#039;t intervened. Weary that apparently she hadn&#039;t proven herself to the Maximals and thinking that Optimus and Rhinox were planning to force her to remove the shell, Blackarachnia decided to split... which turned out to be a bad decision, as [[Dinobot II]] had been waiting for this moment. Taking turns hunting each other, Blackarachnia got the upper hand but was caught off-guard by Dinobot&#039;s power and durability. Fleeing to a mesa, she was found by Silverbolt, who got in a fight with Dinobot and was about to be slagged. Blackarachnia shot him out of the way, then tried to make a deal with Dinobot to take over the Ark and the Predacons, which backfired and allowed Dinobot to stun her, but he was distracted by Silverbolt long enough for the two Maximals to finally defeat him. After an argument between the pair, where Blackarachnia was enraged that Silverbolt thought she&#039;d really been striking a deal with Dinobot instead of trying to con the villain, Optimus arrived to point out that the decision to remove the program had always been up to her. {{storylink|Proving Grounds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Megatron attempted to fire his new [[disruptor cannon]] on the Maximal base, the Maximals prepared for the worst, but the cannon blew up instead. {{storylink|Go with the Flow}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Seeking more power, Blackarachnia attempted to use the Transmetal driver on herself. Silverbolt, not realizing what she was planning, bailed her out of the contraption. Like every good girlfriend, she began to chew him out, but was cut off as an energy surge made her lose control of her circuits. A security system Tarantulas installed had been triggered by her tampering with her core, and the only way to fix it was to cut the Predacon [[shell program]] loose. Reluctantly, she agreed, especially since this was a very difficult procedure that could lead to her death. With time running out, she passed the Ark&#039;s access codes on to Primal in case she didn&#039;t make it and shut herself down, leaving herself in Rhinox&#039;s care. Rhinox began the operation, but his tinkering tripped an alert in [[Tarantulas&#039;s lair]]. The Predacons got wind of what he was doing and mounted an attack on the Maximal base. The Maximals countered their attack, but the power was disrupted by a shot fired by Tarantulas at a critical stage. This apparently killed Blackarachnia. &lt;br /&gt;
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Distraught, Silverbolt took off to avenge her death, blinded by rage. However, in Silverbolt&#039;s absence, Blackarachnia&#039;s body attracted the attention of the Transmetal driver, and she was resurrected in a new Transmetal 2 form. She arrived just in time to save Silverbolt from Rampage. Rampage admitted that he liked her new look, but tried to kill her just the same. Surprisingly, Blackarachnia was able to disarm and stun the titanic Rampage, ultimately throwing him over the horizon using her webs. Silverbolt was, of course, overjoyed to see his beloved alive, but Blackarachnia told him to knock off the vengeful hero stuff so she wouldn&#039;t have to keep endangering herself with inevitable rescue attempts. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:MasterBlaster Blackarachnia beast mode.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Actually a real spider in [[Australia]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
Some time later, Blackarachnia returned to base to find the doors open. It was the result of Megatron&#039;s latest plan as it turned out, which involved Quickstrike taking control of Optimus Primal&#039;s body, rendering the other Maximals unconscious and placing them in a cage. Left in Rampage&#039;s &amp;quot;care&amp;quot;, Blackarachnia was able to use some sort of telekinesis to make a girder fly through the air and disable the Predacon. After dealing with Inferno, she went to release the other Maximals, only to run into Quickstrike and Primal. She freed Primal by disabling Quickstrike&#039;s control suit, and subsequently managed to stop the Ark&#039;s destruct sequence, which Tarantulas had set in motion, before rescuing the other Maximals and helping fight Megatron off. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When an object from space destroyed the Predacon base, Blackarachnia realised that the aliens had returned — in this case in the form of the Vok emissary [[Tigerhawk]]. She cut short Rattrap&#039;s celebrations by pointing out that when Tigerhawk had finished with the Predacons, he&#039;d probably come for them. {{storylink|Other Victories}} Tigerhawk, in fact, joined the Maximals. When Silverbolt was injured looking for the Predacons, Blackarachnia rode to his aid on Cheetor&#039;s back, and the pair took him back to base for repairs. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} After Megatron raised the &#039;&#039;[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]&#039;&#039; from the depths of the ocean, the Maximals struggled to prepare the Ark for moving. In search of something to make a power link, Blackarachnia grabbed Rattrap&#039;s tail-whip, snipping off the end and repurposing it as a power cable. Though the attempt to shift the Ark failed, Rhinox used a shuttle to defeat Megatron. The Maximals subsequently blasted off for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the shuttle. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia brought [[Fractyl (BW)|Fractyl]] back to reality after the Predacon scientist had been daydreaming about the worst case scenarios that would follow up his presentation to Megatron about his &amp;quot;[[energon armor]]&amp;quot;. When Fractyl expressed a desire to inform Megatron about the current progress of his experiements with [[furmanite]], Blackarachnia dissuaded him from doing so, secretly hoping to use Fractyl&#039;s invention for her own gain. She and Inferno continued to keep watch over Fractyl, until [[Packrat]] stumbled upon the scene, causing Inferno to lash out violently. In the confusion that followed, Packrat ran off, prompting Blackarachnia to order Inferno to pursue him. She then turned to Fractyl for an explanation to his armor&#039;s volatilie nature, only to learn that furmanite was, in truth, &amp;quot;anti-energon&amp;quot;. Realizing that if enough energon came into contact with the furmanite, it could spell doom for the entire planet, Blackarachnia went to fetch Megatron while Fractyl pursued the Maximal. When she and Megatron came upon Fractyl, he had retrieved the armor, and was sending a small group of Maximals fleeing. {{storylink|Ground Zero}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Blackarachnia had acquired her Transmetal 2 form, she and the other Maximals set out to investigate a temporal anomaly detected by Rhinox. They encountered the Predacons en-route. The two factions were locked in a firefight, though the advantage lay with the Predacons. After Megatron took off to reach the time-traveler that both teams had previously detected, Optimus was forced to pursue him, leaving his troops against insurmountable odds. Blackarachnia was sure to voice her displeasure over the situation. The Predacons eventually began to push the Maximals back towards a cliffside. Then, suddenly, Predacon fire ceased entirely. The situation had not become any safer however, the Maximals now had to contend with [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]], the aforementioned time-traveler, possessed by Unicron&#039;s dark essence. Though Windrazor was able to expunge Unicron from his systems, the much more powerful Shockaract appeared immediately aftwerwards... {{storylink|Herald, Covenant, Schism, Paradox|Paradox}}&lt;br /&gt;
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This led to Blackarachnia participating in [[Point Omega]], a battle that would determine the fate of all Cybertronians. She was eviscerated by [[Shokaract]]&#039;s firepower. She got better as space-time rebooted itself with the disappearance of the [[Dark Essence]] from the past, and these events were erased from her timeline. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Not long after Megatron took the original Megatron&#039;s spark into himself, he had Quickstrike deliver a device to the Maximal base which amplified the Maximals&#039; aggression. Blackarachnia was attacked by Rhinox before escaping while Silverbolt distracted him. Once Optimus Primal was able to overcome the device&#039;s effects and free the other Maximals, they attempted unsuccessfully to capture Megatron in one of Blackarachnia&#039;s webs. {{storylink|A Meeting of Minds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After the Maximals returned to Cybertron, Blackarachia was trying to persuade Silverbolt that it was all right for them to resume their romance after Megatron&#039;s apparent death, when they were attacked by a strange zombie-like creature. After it zapped Silverbolt, she unsuccessfully tried to attack it in retaliation. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Autobot shuttle crashed on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the Maximal team was gassed, Blackarachnia&#039;s Transmetal 2 powers were stripped away from her, as were her memories. As such, the amnesiac Maximal decided to head underground, distraught and confused. Locked out of her [[robot mode]], she awaited her imminent deactivation...until the other three survivors—an equally disoriented [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]—plunged into her web. Primal made the decision to head underground, and Blackarachnia complied, using her webs to grant them safe passage. However, in her weakened state her webbing was limited, and so the foursome plummeted most of the way down into the chamber of the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]]. She watched as Optimus emerged in his [[technorganic]] form, and she was the fourth and last Maximal to be [[Reformatting|reformatted]], emerging as a pink black widow spider with green markings. When attacked by a squadron of Cycle Drones, she put her technorganic mode to good use, trapping one of the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] in a tangle of web. {{storylink|The Reformatting}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Under Primal&#039;s tutelage, Cheetor and Blackarachnia relearned the ability to transform, and the Maximals set about finding a new base. Blackarachnia managed to goad Cheetor into accompanying her aboveground to find out what had happened to the residents of Cybertron. They accessed the [[Cybertron InfoCore]], only to find it had been wiped. The Maximals visited the [[Council Citadel]], allowing Blackarachnia to test her new powers in combat, including an ability to fire electrical &amp;quot;stings&amp;quot; through the ground. To her shock, they discovered that the mastermind behind the cleansing of Cybertron was none other than Megatron. {{storylink|Master of the House}} During an attempt to access the [[Cybertron Archives]], she received a vision of prehistoric [[Earth]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. She sneaked off to the spaceport to consult the records of their arrival and was followed by Rattrap. As well as encountering Megatron&#039;s new, sentient [[Vehicon general]]s, they discovered that there had been six occupants in the shuttle. Seeking more information, Blackarachnia attempted to access the logs from the shuttle itself, only for Megatron to attempt to access her own mind, and she was only prevented from revealing the location of the Maximal base by Rattrap severing the link. The pair were subsequently rescued by Primal and Cheetor, but Blackarachnia&#039;s information reawakened memories of Rhinox and Silverbolt in them all. {{storylink|Fires of the Past}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Rattrap&#039;s use of a transformation enhancer got the Maximals captured by Megatron for a short time, but during their escape, Optimus reported that [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]&#039;s spark seemed familiar. {{storylink|Mercenary Pursuits}} Blackarachnia and crew later discovered the bat-creature [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]], who led them to a strange, organic fruit tree. Upon eating the fruit, Blackarachnia began to revert to her instinctual &amp;quot;animal&amp;quot; mind, and it was only thanks to [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] that her feral mind returned to normal, and thanks to Primal that the bat&#039;s life was saved and reformatted into a technorganic body. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}} After another mission was fouled up by Rattrap&#039;s antics during Optimus&#039;s convalescence from reformatting Nightscream, the remaining Maximals discussed what they needed to do about Rattrap. Blackarachnia was irritated by Rattrap&#039;s uselessness, but Cheetor asserted that they had to cover for their friend. They were shocked to find a while later that Rattrap had overheard them and taken up with Megatron in exchange for weapons. Primal talked Rattrap around, scolding the other Maximals that they undervalued their teammate. {{storylink|The Weak Component}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Revelations3 Blackarachnia closeup.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|She looks a bit more normal when she closes the extra eyes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Later, the group stumbled across one of Megatron&#039;s many Transformer junkyards, where the lifeless, [[spark]]less bodies of the city&#039;s inhabitants were disposed of. When [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] and Blackarachnia were split up from the battle, the two made an unofficial truce, but when Thrust saved her life and her spark, having strange recollections of doing so before, her mind was set: He was Silverbolt, mutated and made evil by Megatron. She resolved to get her lover back, but didn&#039;t reveal to the other Maximals that she believed Thrust was Silverbolt. {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery|Discovery}} When Cheetor enacted a subsequent plan to try to hack into Tankor, Blackarachnia volunteered to keep Thrust busy. She made numerous appeals to Thrust to try to bring out his Maximal nature, but Thrust was hesitant and was soon bullied into extracting her spark by [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent|Descent}} As her spark rocketed into the darkness, Nightscream fought Jetstorm for it. At the same time, on another plane of existence, Blackarachnia encountered Primal, who calmed her astral spirit down, at the same time allowing Nightscream to restore it and bring her back. She and Nightscream were able to come to Cheetor and Rattrap&#039;s aid, but they had found that Tankor was really Rhinox, and their old friend was now siding with Megatron&#039;s view of a technological Cybertron. {{storylink|Revelations Part III: Apocalypse|Apocalypse}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Survivor Blackarachnia beast mode head.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Nine eyes, then two, now &#039;&#039;six&#039;&#039;: fourth time lucky?]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Nightscream was snatched away by the Vehicons, the other Maximals gave pursuit. Blackarachnia&#039;s hesitation in attacking Thrust allowed the Vehicon to pursue Primal and Nightscream, who had discovered a [[fossil cave|cave full of fossils]], proving Cybertron was once organic. {{storylink|Survivor}} When Tankor gained control of the [[Key to Vector Sigma]] and &amp;quot;infected&amp;quot; Nightscream and the new orchard with the Key, Blackarachnia quickly found that the [[organic goo]] they&#039;d just discovered was a cure to the [[technomatter]]. While the other Maximals went to get a mole drone, Blackarachnia stayed behind to look after Nightscream, only to be infected by him and temporarily lose her own sanity. The other Maximals eventually returned with a drone and were able to cure her. {{storylink|The Key}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Sorry, your boyfriend was behind door number 2!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Taking a vial of the goo, Blackarachnia kidnapped Thrust, trapping him in a web and using the goo to force out his inner personality, in the expectation that Silverbolt would emerge. Instead, she discovered that Thrust was [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], who&#039;d flown to Cybertron from prehistoric Earth. When Jetstorm attacked, another mishap with the organic goop occurred, and for a moment Silverbolt&#039;s true personality emerged, sweeping Blackarachnia in his arms. However, as he and Waspinator fought over Blackarachnia, the goo vanished from the both of them, and the Vehicons&#039; minds both returned. Blackarachnia was swiftly rescued by the other Maximals, riding a giant vine created by a catalyst which Rattrap had found. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was involved in the battle in Megatron&#039;s Citadel, holding off the Vehicons as Primal confronted Megatron within, though she, along with the others, were all overwhelmed by the Key to Vector Sigma and became comatose. {{storylink|End of the Line}} The clashing energies of the Key and the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] restored the four Maximals to life. Entering the Council Citadel, they found that the battle had claimed Primal, Megatron and Tankor. They headed for the Oracle in search of guidance, where they found Optimus Primal floating within, and they convinced him to return to real-space and continue his leadership.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals returned to the surface to find a [[Grand Mal|giant floating head]] in the likeness of Megatron. {{storylink|Fallout (episode)|Fallout}} Blackarachnia and Nightscream tried unsuccessfully to infiltrate the head. Leaving Optimus to try and contact Megatron&#039;s spark, the other Maximals went to find the two remaining Vehicon generals and encountered a strange, organic Transformer named [[Noble (BM)|Noble]], who changed from a wolf into the dragon-like Savage. {{storylink|Savage Noble}} The Maximals later infiltrated the Council Citadel, looking for information, only to discover that Noble was actually Megatron, trapped in his own organic half. Megatron used [[spark extractor]]s to remove his spark, taking over the huge, flying head and reactivating the Vehicon drone army, which forced the Maximals back underground. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Rattrap revealed he&#039;s created a device he hoped could be used to restore the stolen sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia &amp;quot;borrowed&amp;quot; it. She managed to force Jetstorm into a large pool of the organic goo, and his body began to change. Scanning a nearby condor skeleton, he awoke in a new form, a purple technorganic bird of prey. Blackarachnia was startled by the change in him. Instead of the lovable, chivalrous knight in shining armor, he was a brittle, haunted bot, tormented by the images of the evil deeds he had done...done by choice. Though he gave up on himself, she never did, urging Silverbolt to forgive his past, prompting him to head to the Grand Mal to confront his old master and rescue Primal and Cheetor. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia continued to assure Silverbolt that things would get better. After Silverbolt inadvertently spread a new, [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]-enhanced version of the old [[Hate Plague]], causing dissension in the ranks, he blamed himself, but she and the other Maximals were supportive. {{storylink|A Wolf in the Fold}} Later, when a Maximal spaceship crashed, the Maximals split up to reach it in time. As they did, Blackarachnia confided to Rattrap that she&#039;d found Silverbolt increasingly cold towards her. At the ship, they encountered a strange, alien plant monster, which Primal reformatted, revealing it to be [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]], a fellow Maximal. {{storylink|Home Soil}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals would soon encounter two new Vehicon generals, [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]], whose gambit almost defeated them until Botanica stepped in. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|The Strike}} Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were teamed up with Cheetor during a search for the missing sparks. Though Silverbolt was uncomfortable about following someone he still regarded as a kid, Blackarachnia defended Cheetor. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}} The Maximals attempted to infiltrate the Grand Mal to find the missing sparks, only to discover that Megatron was using them to fuel his great ascension. Nightscream&#039;s intercession appeared to dispel the Vehicon leader&#039;s spark. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege|The Siege}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltblackarachniaseedsofthefuture.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Eeek! That smile! Go back to glowering!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Maximals had celebrated, Blackarachnia tried to talk to Silverbolt, believing now was the time for them to renew their romance. Silverbolt was not convinced of Megatron&#039;s demise, and in fact, he was right: Megatron still lived as a disembodied and depolarized spark. The pair found themselves being attacked by a zombie of pieced-together Vehicon parts, animated by the power of Megatron&#039;s spark. Megatron was later trapped in a [[Diagnostic Drone]] by Rattrap. {{storylink|Spark of Darkness}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt, Blackarachnia and Nightscream attacked the Vehicons while the others attempted to secure the sparks in the Grand Mal. They were subsequently able to put Megatron&#039;s Vehicon factory out of commission, but the Grand Mal itself was brought down. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral|The Downward Spiral}} Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were able to share a quiet moment before the final battle, and they received a spark power-up from the collective population of Cybertron. However, they were both felled during battle by Obsidian and Thrust, respectively. Their sparks were then torn from them by cycle drones. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|When Legends Fall}} Though unable to assist physically, Blackarachnia and the other Maximals were able to give moral support to Primal during his final battle against Megatron, which resulted in the sacrifice of both leaders and the reformatting of Cybertron into a technorganic paradise. With harmony restored, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were finally able to be together. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Seeds of the Future}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after Cybertron underwent the [[Great Reformatting]], the [[Quintesson]]s seized the opportunity to attack, believing that the revolutionary change would have rendered the planets&#039; inhabitants confused and docile. Suffice to say, the Transformers were greatly underestimated. Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were successfully able to fend [[Cybertropolis]] from Quintesson invaders. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniaabduction.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|She stabbed my basketball, and the speakers to my stereo!]]&lt;br /&gt;
One year later, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were chosen to greet a ship of returning Autobot heroes from the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. Their welcomes were ignored by the crew, which included [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]], and [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], when they realized that their home had been transformed into a strange technorganic paradise. Only [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was unphased, choosing to talk up Blackarachnia and Silverbolt so that he could mug for [[Rook (Universe)|Rook&#039;s]] cameras. &lt;br /&gt;
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Their greeting was interrupted by a series of what appeared to be fireworks. Instead, they were beams of energy sent by [[Unicron]] to capture the returning crew, Blackarachnia, and Silverbolt, and bring them to him. When they arrived, a booming voice welcomed them to the [[Pit]], a dimension inside Unicron. Blackarachnia and her fellow captives were painfully smelted down and reformed; only Trailbreaker emerged unchanged. Since she arrived, Blackarachnia had begun to feel a growing anger that she couldn&#039;t control. And in this new Unicron-tainted form, she more than welcomed the swarm of creatures that began swarming her group. Overwhelmed, Blackarachnia and the others were herded into the [[Cauldron]] and filed into prison cells. As Blackarachnia protested, she was silenced by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]], one of their hosts.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was revealed to them by the master of ceremonies, [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]], that they would be forced to fight fellow abducted Transformers. The loser&#039;s [[spark]] would fuel and empower Unicron, whose form had fallen into disrepair. Blackarachnia&#039;s uncontrollable rage welcomed this bloodsport, as Silverbolt watched helplessly as she fell under Unicron&#039;s evil spell. {{storylink|Abduction}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Optimus Primal, resurrected by [[Primus]], arrived to rescue the prisoners of the Cauldron, and with help from Silverbolt and Trailbreaker, its captives were set free. But Unicron&#039;s grip on Blackarachnia was too strong. She began lashing out madly, even at Silverbolt, and the Fuzor took tight hold of her so that he might swiftly remove her from Unicron&#039;s grip. But as the others began jumping through a portal that would lead them to their respective homes across the [[multiverse]], Blackarachnia had a moment of clarity. Sadly, she told Silverbolt that Unicron had awakened her &#039;&#039;true&#039;&#039; nature, then bid him farewell and threw him through the portal. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Closure? Maybe?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Soon, she was escorted by Tankor and [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] to the center of Unicron, where she was repulsed to meet a familiar face: Tarantulas! {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was dispatched to Cybertron&#039;s [[Undercity]], where she observed Rattrap for a while. Finally, she made her presence known, stinging him with her cybervenom. She never had liked the vermin, after all. Suddenly, Rattrap was saved by [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], back from the dead. Blackarachnia was knocked out, and Depth Charge left the weakened Rattrap to fend for himself. As Depth Charge departed, he found himself surrounded by Blackarachnia&#039;s [[Piranacon (Universe)|Piranacons]]. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Much later, Optimus Primal waged one last desperate assault against Unicron, and his [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]] were able to defeat the [[Minion of Unicron|Minions of Unicron]]. As Unicron himself seemed to dissolve below them, Silverbolt carried Blackarachnia with him, saving her from sharing the gruesome fate of her evil peers. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Soon after [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]&#039;s intrusion into the Beast Wars, Blackarachnia joined a battle between Maximals and Predacons. {{storylink|Optimus Primal Chapter}} Blackarachnia faced off against Dinobot, who attacked with his Dino Sabel. {{storylink|Dinobot Chapter}} Blackarachnia counterattacked with her Anchor Shot. {{storylink|Blackarachnia Chapter}} The battle was joined by [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s from another universe, {{storylink|Tigatron Chapter}} and the collective Maximal/Autobot forces faced off against their opposite factions. {{storylink|Motorarm Chapter}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As the victorious Maximals travelled forward in time from prehistoric Earth to far-future Cybertron in [[Primax 496.22 Alpha]], their shuttle was suddenly struck by a powerful force of darkness. This was the result of the temporal machinations of [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] in [[OG World|Primax 785.06 Alpha]] and the [[Alternity]]&#039;s response effort to repair the timeline. However, these events resulted in two copies of the Maximals&#039; shuttle being created: one copy went on home to Cybertron where its crew would participate in the [[Spark War]] while the other was hurled into the early 21st century of [[BT World|Primax 903.0 Beta]]. [[Unicron]] observed the shuttle and destroyed it, scattering most of the crew into [[transwarp]] space. Blackarachnia, however, was forced by Unicron to aid him in his efforts to destroy the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Her spark was placed inside the silver Beta Unit Honda S-2000 Aero Style body intended for the Autobot warrior [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], and her mind was overwhelmed by an evil essence that forced her to do Unicron&#039;s bidding.&lt;br /&gt;
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Still possessing her extrasensory Transmetal 2 powers including telekinesis, Blackarachnia gained several additional weapons courtesy of her new form: a long-range Venom Sniper Gun that fired system-disrupting energy bullets, a defensive riot shield that projected an electromagnetic field from its edge, and the ability to fire strong artificial webs from her grill, exhaust pipe and hands in robot mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was partnered with the newly-created [[Decepticharge]] and dispatched to confront [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]&#039;s forces on Earth. Finding them in the middle of a [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]-led uprising, the pair put down the rebellion and ordered the Decepticons to defeat [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and destroy the Matrix.&lt;br /&gt;
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While forced to act as a Decepticon, Blackarachnia&#039;s true self remained intact but submerged, struggling to overcome Unicron&#039;s control and desperate to correct the warped Binaltech timeline.&lt;br /&gt;
{{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Ask Vector Prime====&lt;br /&gt;
In [[Primax 208.06 Zeta]], the machinations of the [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from [[Primax 206.15 Gamma]] resulted in the local Predacons defeating the Maximals, prompting the [[Vok]] to attempt to sterilize their experiment. Blackarachnia was killed when Megatron tricked her into destroying the Vok weapon while she was trying to escape Earth. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Metals&#039;&#039; comic===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BlackarachniaMetalsMangaDrop.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Are those high heels or platform shoes?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Following the [[Quantum surge]], Blackarachnia was one of the few Transformers &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; to be upgraded into a [[Transmetal]]. As [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] and his armies laid siege to the weakened Maximal base, Blackarachnia waited in secret for an opening. When [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] was forced to shut [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] down to let an injured [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] in, Blackarachnia saw her chance and entered the base. Knocking out Airazor and ripping [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]&#039;s arm off, Blackarachnia confronted Rhinox. Rhinox proceeded to pull out a &amp;quot;gun&amp;quot;, but instead of shooting her with it, he blasted himself in the head (the &amp;quot;gun&amp;quot; actually being a machine allowing him to enter [[Transwarp]] space). Confused, but seeing no further use for the Maximals, Blackarachnia left the base. As the base collapsed behind her, she was approached by Quickstrike, who didn&#039;t like her &amp;quot;interfering&amp;quot; with his business. Not in the mood, she immediately kicked his head off. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 1|Beast Wars Metals #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She later teamed with Tarantulas in confronting Tigatron. Tarantulas was promptly cut in two by the Maximal, though Blackarachnia blocked his sword with her legs and was able to escape with her comrade&#039;s body. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 2|Beast Wars Metals #2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Tarantulas recovered and took control of Tigatron&#039;s mind. Blackarachnia disapproved of such an invasive attack, but Tarantulas ignored her. While Airazor fought to save Tigatron&#039;s mind and body, Blackarachnia had a change of heart and decapitated Tarantulas with her thighs. She then entered the battle to help Airazor, but was shot in the back by Tarantulas&#039; headless body. Ultimately, Tigatron&#039;s mind was saved, but Airazor died in the process. With nobody noticing, Blackarachnia slunk away to the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039;. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 4|Beast Wars Metals #4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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There, she met the severed head of Megatron and disapproved of his plan to kill the sleeping Optimus Prime and disrupt the timestream. She kicked his head into a lava pit, but this only allowed Megatron to merge with the spark of [[Megatron (G1)|his ancestor]] and become even more powerful. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 5|Beast Wars Metals #5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Megatron was killed and the Maximals reunited, Blackarachnia encountered Silverbolt and the two immediately hit it off. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 6|Beast Wars Metals #6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; CD-ROM===&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia followed [[Reptilion|Reptillion]]{{sic}} in battle against [[Optimus Primal]] and his Autobot forces. She teamed up with [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] to fight [[Striker]] before being abducted by [[Acheron|a mysterious ship]], which was bringing the Decepticons to [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Universe CD-ROM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Q-Robo Transformer&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Q-Robo Transformer}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Uprising&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Scavengerblackarachniaalphatriontranscendent.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Silverbolt would not approve.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Though she may appear to be a native of [[Axiom Nexus]], Blackarachnia was brought online in a [[Primax 209.0 Gamma|far different universe]]. On a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] where the Autobots and Decepticons had grown too decrepit to carry on the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], they constructed proxy armies in the form of the [[Maximal]]s and Predacons. As a result from her first moments Blackarachnia knew only strife and combat. Increasingly questioning the orders of her Autobot masters, the breaking point came with the death of her colleagues Silverbolt and Rhinox. She conspired with [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] and together they killed their commander, Optimus Primal. &lt;br /&gt;
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Joined by the malcontent Predacons [[Immorticon (BW)|Immorticon]] and [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]], they fled and activated an experimental [[transwarp]] device, hoping to escape Cybertron. Instead, they found themselves in Axiom Nexus. After processing, they were placed in the care of [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. He convinced her that the [[Transcendent Technomorph]]s who ruled the city were little different from the Autobots under whose yoke she had chafed. Under his tender ministrations, her spark was transferred from her Lowtech body into that of her Transcendent Technomorph [[Blackarachnia (TransTech)|counterpart]], with the authorities of Axiom Nexus none the wiser. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors&#039; Club issue 25|&amp;quot;TransTech&amp;quot; Blackarachnia&#039;s profile in Club magazine #25}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus upgraded, she joined Alpha Trion&#039;s insurrectionist organization, and was part of the raid on [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]&#039;s laboratory in the hopes of rescuing [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]. Blackarachnia and her comrades successfully stormed into Shockwave&#039;s inner sanctum, where they came face-to-face with the formidable [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} Despite that rather severe obstacle, Blackarachnia and the Alpha Trion&#039;s minions managed to secure the transit room and transwarp to the Old One&#039;s original universal stream. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On the other side of the transwarp portal, Alpha Trion ordered Blackarachnia to prepare the cloaking device in order to keep his return a secret. {{storylink|Reunification: Part 1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Broken Windshields}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Regeneration One&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Gas skunk blackarachnia jetstorm leobreaker starscream war to end all wars.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]&lt;br /&gt;
As the Dark [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] creature tortured [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Circuit Smasher]] with visions of his [[Sparkplug Witwicky|dead father]] in [[Zero Space]], cracks began to appear in the membrane of infinite worlds. Through one, Blackarachnia could be seen alongside [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]], [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], [[Gas Skunk]] and [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Wings Universe&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Wingsnote}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:HoistTheFlag-PrimalPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]&lt;br /&gt;
An image of Blackarachnia carrying a Maximal flag and being led by [[Primal Prime]] into battle (presumably taken during the [[Quintesson]] invasion) hung in the Cybertronian Knights headquarters. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers vs. G.I. Joe&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
A Decepticon believed to have been killed by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], Blackarachnia had in fact survived and made her way into [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]&#039;s [[Cerebros (G1)|head]], corrupting the giant&#039;s brain and turning him into a mindless, violent zombie. She was eventually discovered and defeated by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Tunnel Rat]], restoring Maximus to normal. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers Legends&#039;&#039; comic===&lt;br /&gt;
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Transformers Celebration 2014|Transformers Celebration 2014}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Head of Partying, Cheetor|Head of Partying, Cheetor}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#President Mega&#039;s Requests|President Mega&#039;s Requests}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#President Mega&#039;s Studies|President Mega&#039;s Studies}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Christmas|Bonus Chapter: Christmas}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Widow-chan at Work|Widow-chan at Work}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 14}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Windblade6-blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Be careful, or she&#039;ll split push all of your towers!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia the &amp;quot;Fateweaver&amp;quot; was a Transformer born on the planet [[Eukaris]] from the [[hot spot]] inside the [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitan]] [[Chela]]. She considered herself to be the prophet of [[Onyx Prime (G1)|Onyx Prime]], even though her psychic powers set her apart from the other citizens of Eukaris. Blackarachnia chose to live the life of a hermit, away from the feuding tribes of her planet. In the past, she had been known to take in other outcasts, under the condition that they dedicated their lives to her.&lt;br /&gt;
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One evening, she was visited by Airazor and Tigatron, who had witnessed a [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|pair of]] [[Devastator (G1)|combiners]] from Cybertron fighting in nearby [[Talon Valley]]. Blackarachnia used her abilities to consult the &amp;quot;Web of Time&amp;quot;, and foresaw the coming of Cybertronians to their planet. &lt;br /&gt;
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Not long afterwards, Blackarachnia was present to greet Starscream and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as they emerged from the [[space bridge]]. Blackarachnia revealed to Windblade that she had experienced visions of [[Caminus]] prior to their meeting. Windblade used her Camien heritage to try and parley favor from the Eukariens, but the arrival of &amp;quot;standard-formers&amp;quot; reawakened Chela - another part of a prophecy that Blackarachnia had forseen. The two Cybertronians were able to put down the mad Titan; although Windblade was saddened by the loss Blackarachnia consoled her by telling her that the death of Chela was but the first step towards changing Eukaris for the better. &lt;br /&gt;
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Eukaris agreed to join the [[Council of Worlds]]; Blackarachnia decided that Tigatron and Airrazor&#039;s status as outcasts would make them ideal delegates. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transformers&#039;&#039; video game continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transformers&#039;&#039; video game advertising comic====&lt;br /&gt;
Upon arriving on &amp;quot;[[Earth|Planet Energon]],&amp;quot; the dangers of Energon radiation forced the six surviving Predacons and their Maximal adversaries to take on beast alternate forms. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transformers&#039;&#039; video game====&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|??? (English), ??? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia joined her fellow Predacons in battling not only the persistent Maximal resistance, but the interdimensional monsters known as the [[Skriix]].&lt;br /&gt;
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=====Maximal campaign=====&lt;br /&gt;
{{note|In the Maximal campaign, the stasis pod that would contain Blackarachnia is instead rescued by the Maximals, producing [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. It is thus questionable whether or not Blackarachnia even exists in this specific version of the Beast Wars.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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=====Predacon campaign=====&lt;br /&gt;
When Blackarachnia&#039;s stasis pod landed in the &amp;quot;Polluted Area,&amp;quot; it was secured by the Predacons whom she subsequently joined. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Note|Due to the nature of this game, a player may select various individual characters to perform the feats required in every level, and complete the game&#039;s narrative. Thus, any playable Maximal can fill the role of protagonist in Maximal Mode, and any playable Predacon can fill the role of protagonist in Predacon Mode. To view the various feats Blackarachnia can accomplish throughout gameplay in Predacon Mode, it is told on the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; video game]] page, wherein Blackarachnia fills the role of the nameless Predacon.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (N64)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Janet-Laine Green]] (English), ? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:N64Blackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I&#039;m... sure she has a nice personality... wait, no. No, she doesn&#039;t.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Transmetal Blackarachnia joined her fellow Predacons in distributing various one-on-one beat downs to the Maximals. Eventually, Silverbolt convinced her to defect to the Maximals but she never truly reformed. It was her betrayal at a key moment that eventually assured the Maximals victory in the Beast Wars. Once back on Cybertron, she worked as a double-agent between the Maximal and [[Tripredacus Council]] with no loyalty to either side. She often pondered what would have happened if she had remained on the Predacon team throughout the war. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the Nintendo 64 version of the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters&#039; pages for Blackarachnia’s fate in those outcomes.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (PS)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Janet-Laine Green]] (English), ? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers Legends&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
Alongside Waspinator and Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia came upon the crash-site of a large stasis pod marked with a red &amp;quot;X&amp;quot;. Find the Maximal Silverbolt already there, a battle ensued. When the content of the pod was accidentally let loose, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were blown away from the fight by the newly emerged Rampage, and sent flying into a hostile swamp. Finding that they need to rely on one another to survive, Blackarachnia is slowly won over by Silverbolt&#039;s chivalrous attitude, despite them being on opposing side of a war. Eventually returning to where Waspinator, Terrorsaur, and a recently arrived Depth Charge continue to do battle with Rampage, all present manage to defeat Rampage just as Megatron arrives on-site. {{storylink|When Sparks Fly}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Battle Tactics&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BattleTacticsBlackarachnia.jpg|thumb|left|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of her! {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Beast Wars===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniabwtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|When she chokes you she can taste your fear.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 1996/1997)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;D-8&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:Blackarachnia&#039;s original toy is a [[redeco]] of the [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] mold, transforming into a rather generic-looking organic spider. It features a removable spring-loaded launcher hidden in its beast mode abdomen. It nominally fires the &amp;quot;grappling hook&amp;quot; attached to its abdomen by a string, but its front four beast mode legs can also be removed and used as ammunition. Like all first-year &#039;&#039;[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, the robot mode head has both a &amp;quot;robot&amp;quot; face and a [[mutant head|&amp;quot;mutant&amp;quot; face]]; Blackarachnia is always depicted in fiction using the &amp;quot;robot&amp;quot; one (or a rough approximation thereof).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BW-toy BlackarachniaTakara.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|She might have an F-cup...or an E.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release of the toy has numerous color differences from the [[Hasbro]] version, but they are of dubious merit as far as making her more &amp;quot;show-accurate&amp;quot; go. The bright green of the Hasbro version&#039;s forearms is replaced with dull silver, while the brighter purple is replaced with a darker, more desaturated purple. Her dark copper paint is replaced with a brighter gold. Her robot mode facemask is painted gold, which is closer to the show model... but her face beneath is black with gold eyes (instead of gold with black eyes), and she inexplicably gains a new painted-black forehead crest, where the show model has gold.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was later used to make the [[Tarantulas (BW)|&amp;quot;Beast Wars 10th Anniversary&amp;quot; version of Tarantulas]], and the &#039;&#039;[[#BW10J|Beast Wars Telemocha]]&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia. It was intended to be used to make [[#UnUni|a second &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia]], but that toy set was canceled.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Deluxe BW Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:VS8-TigatronBlackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Battle of the redecos.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Deep Forest Showdown: Tigatron VS Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (VS set, 1997)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;VS-8&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:In Japan, &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot; was available both as an individual and in a &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; pack with [[Tigatron]]. Both toys were identical to their individual releases.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniamctm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|She&#039;s got a great personality.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Happy Meal promotion, 1998)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;5&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions|McDonald&#039;s]] &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Happy Meal pack-in, Blackarachnia&#039;s &amp;quot;[[Transmetal]]&amp;quot; form resembles some sort of dust mite more than a spider, though it does have a black widow-esque hour-glass shape on the abdomen. It has a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; similar transformation to the earlier promotional figure [[Beetle]].&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like the other two Transmetal Happy Meal figures, Blackarachnia has some metallic-sheened plastic intended to resemble the colored chromed finish of the retail &#039;&#039;Transmetals&#039;&#039; toys. &lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s BW Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BW-toy BlackarachniaTM2.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|&#039;Sup, bra.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Transmetal 2, 1999)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;C-48&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Mandible grapnel-line&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Transmetal 2 version of Blackarachnia transforms into a large, organic/mechanical, monstrous spider, featuring a [[Retractable string gimmick|grappling hook]], switching [[Insignia|faction symbols]] activated by [[#TriviaTM2spark|rotating her spark crystal around]], and a spring-loaded spin-kick action feature. She also has a half-assed &amp;quot;defense mode&amp;quot;, bringing the chromed abdomen bits down to cover her chest. Like all larger Transmetal 2s, Blackarachnia has hints of an abandoned &amp;quot;transport&amp;quot; mode, mainly the free-spinning wheels and concealed rockets in the spider mode abdomen.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This toy was initially hard to find at retail, as one of the toy&#039;s features, a piece of removable chest armor (no, really), was altered slightly, delaying later shipments.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was used to make the [[BotCon 2000]] [[exclusive]] [[Arcee (G1)#Toys|Arcee]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beast Machines===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Beast Machines Blackarachnia Toy.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|In &#039;&#039;Beast Machines,&#039;&#039; Silverbolt doubled his bird and so did she.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2000)&lt;br /&gt;
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:An early toy in the &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]&#039;&#039; line, Blackarachnia transforms into a [[technorganic]] spider. In spider mode, squeezing its pedipalps together raises its central fangs; they were spring-loaded to release and lower, respectively. In keeping with the early &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;articulated features&amp;quot; motif, her robot mode head has a multi-piece articulated brow, which can slide up to reveal two extra sets of eyes, as she does on the cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was later redecoed to make the [[#UniDx|&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia]], as well as [[Crystal Widow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Beast Machines Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniamcbm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This is transformed correctly, right? Right?]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Happy Meal, 2000)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: ??&lt;br /&gt;
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:As one of &#039;&#039;ten&#039;&#039; toys in the third Transformers McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal promotion, Blackarachnia is a super-simplified version of her retail toy, with a coloration closer to the [[Mainframe Entertainment|Mainframe]] CG model, though more shockingly pink rather than maroon. This toy is designed for the younger set, with softer plastic and no removable parts.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She is the only [[Beast Era]] character to get two McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal toys.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/McBlackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s BM Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|BWR}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniabeastwarsreturnstoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What a maroon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;BR-04&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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: Part of the Japanese Toys &amp;quot;R&amp;quot; Us-[[exclusive]] &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars Returns]]&#039;&#039; series, this toy is a redeco of the original &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia in a more show-like maroon coloration. Reportedly, this toy was limited to 3000 pieces, a full thousand &#039;&#039;less&#039;&#039; than the others in the original assortment. Since she was also the most changed from the US release in the initial batch of toys, this made her considerably harder to get.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Universe (2003)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|UniDx}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniauniversetoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You can pick your faction, and you can pick your girlfriend, but you can&#039;t pick your girlfriend&#039;s faction.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, Blackarachnia returned as a [[Decepticon]] and as a redeco of [[#BMDx1|the original &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; figure]]. However, her forearms were [[Misassembly|mistakenly swapped]], leaving her forearm &amp;quot;spikes&amp;quot; pointing up towards her biceps rather than down near her elbows. She received a Decepticon [[Insignia|faction symbol]] over her [[spark crystal]] as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold (with the same swapped-forearms error) was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Universe Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|UnUni}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachnia unreleased.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eyow.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Leatherhide Vs. Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Halloween Horrorcon value pack, unreleased)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:In 2004, a group of test-shots made their way onto eBay, among them a [[redeco]] of the original &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Tarantulas/Blackarachnia mold in black with silver spider-legs and salmon-colored robot parts. Later, Hasbro&#039;s official website checklist featured listings for two &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;Halloween [[Horrorcon (Universe)|Horrorcon]] Value Packs&amp;quot; that were to be Wal-Mart [[exclusive]]s... which also likely explains why they were canceled. (Wal*Mart had taken a good half-dozen exclusives and released them more-or-less simultaneously, leading to a huge glut. A lot of other &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; exclusives were canceled during the &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; era.) One of the sets was &amp;quot;[[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]] Vs. Blackarachnia&amp;quot;... and thus, the mystery spider was confirmed, as the other test-shots in that group lined up with the name listings given in the sets.&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://s33.photobucket.com/user/binalternator/library/unreleased/halloween_horrorcons?sort=4&amp;amp;page=1 Gallery of Halloween Horrorcon test-shots]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniatelemocha.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It almost works!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TM-06&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:As part of the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha]]&#039;&#039; line, the [[#Dx1|original Blackarachnia toy]] was &#039;&#039;extensively&#039;&#039; redecoed with a ridiculous number of gold [[paint operation]]s, making her closer to [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] in coloration than the other versions of the mold, but still not quite there. (Her shoulders are silver in the show.) All of the [[gimmick]]s of the original toy were retained, though her alternate head didn&#039;t receive any paint that wasn&#039;t intended to make her nominal head look more show-accurate.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She came with a DVD containing &amp;quot;The Assassin Virus&amp;quot;, the Japanese dubbing of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; episode 10, &amp;quot;[[Gorilla Warfare]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Destron/BlackWidow/blackwidow.htm More information on Telemocha Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Binaltech===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackwidowwildrider.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Honda wouldn&#039;t appreciate their car being hot, poisonous, and deadly.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Binaltech, unreleased)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;BT16&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Engine-rifle, roof-shield&lt;br /&gt;
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:In 2005, the sculpt used for &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]&#039;&#039; [[Decepticharge]] was presented as an upcoming release for the Japanese &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; line. Takara decided to give the toy an entirely new deco, as the Hasbro toy&#039;s deco didn&#039;t appeal to their ideal of &amp;quot;real-life accuracy&amp;quot;. In robot mode, the toy was given a color scheme based on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, with the toy&#039;s name being changed to &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot;, Takara&#039;s name for the character. Though a [[bio]] and story chapter were written to accommodate it into the &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; fiction, and photoshopped images released through an online retailer revealed the intended color scheme, Takara ultimately decided to cancel the toy altogether, as they were fearing that another redeco (in addition to the then upcoming &#039;&#039;Binaltech Asterisk&#039;&#039; toys) would be too repetitive. Plans to release this toy as part of a different line were never picked up again. A prototype of Blackwidow was later featured in an exhibit at Transformers Expo in 2014.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-masterpiece-star-saber-in-color-and-more-180923/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics - Masterpiece Star Saber In Color and More!&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-part-2-g1-prototypes-movie-props-and-more-masterpiece-180925/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics Part 2 - G1 Prototypes, Movie Props, and More Masterpiece!&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-part-4-prototypes-and-figure-displays-from-diaclone-g1-g2-beast-wars-180933/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics Part 4 - Prototypes and Figure Displays from Diaclone, G1, G2, Beast Wars&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:This sculpt was ultimately released in Japan as part of an unexpected &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; continuation, this time as [[Arcee (G1)#Binaltech|Arcee]]. The original version of the mold was used to make &#039;&#039;Alternators&#039;&#039; [[Windcharger (G1)#Alternators|Windcharger]] and &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; [[Overdrive#Binaltech|Overdrive]]. It was also planned to become a new toy of the [[Paradron Medic (G1)#Binaltech|Paradron Medic]], but that also got canceled.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Blackarachniaanimateddeluxe.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TA-09&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Grapnel-hook&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|&#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as Blackarachnia in &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers: Windblade]]&#039;&#039;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Blackarachnia transforms into a mechanical spider with some organic aesthetic. Many of her pointier parts are [[For safety reasons|molded in softer plastic]] to keep unfortunate children from putting their eyes out. She comes with a &amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;plainlinks&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grapnel grapnel]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; [[Retractable string gimmick|hook accessory]]. This is spring-loaded, with a jointed claw at the end of it. Pressing a button causes it to retract along the string. It may be mounted under her abdomen in spider mode or on her back in robot mode, via two different sets of pegs. There is also a peg hole in each wrist, for [[Spider-Man|web-slinging]] action.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The spider&#039;s head is mis-transformed in the package, making the first step of her instructions initially confusing. Furthermore, the pedipalps will easily come off if manipulated too much, and her transformation requires that they be turned around completely. Because of this, they will often fall off over, and over, and &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039;...&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Legends===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[October 24|10–24]]–[[2015]])&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;LG17&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia is a retool of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)#Animated|Blackarachnia]]. The tooling changes appear to be a new head, a new chest/spider eye cluster, and new, larger pedipalps that form her breastplate in robot mode...albeit made of translucent plastic. Amusingly, her pedipalps resemble the kind found on &#039;&#039;male&#039;&#039; spiders. Whoops.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Because her pedipalps are no longer filling in her stomach area, she now has a tiny, &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039; waist.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniamutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game&#039;&#039;&#039; (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
:Blackarachnia was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===Robot Heroes===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Robotheroescheetorblackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Cute and poisonous.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Cheetor vs. Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (2-pack, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
:Part of the first wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]&#039;&#039;-branded [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]], Blackarachnia is a simple, yet well-detailed two-inch tall figurine with exaggerated, cartoony proportions. She was only available in a two-pack with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Robot Heroes&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BWBlackarachniaCardArt.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Dirty girls, make some noise. Move that ass for dirty boys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia&#039;s original Beast Wars card art has her wearing a spike-studded collar... while her chest seems to be leopard-spotted. Kinky.&lt;br /&gt;
*Reportedly, Blackarachnia&#039;s show model was created after some Mainframe folks had taken the design modeler to a strip club only a few days prior for, um... &#039;&#039;inspiration&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/593687e427efddad Why Blackarachnia Looks Asian] on [[alt.toys.transformers]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Like her fellow spider [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], her original [[beast mode]] is depicted with &#039;&#039;nine&#039;&#039; eyes rather than eight.&lt;br /&gt;
* An [[Bitch Wars|unproduced &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; episode concept]] would have seen Airazor and Blackarachnia join forces as a &amp;quot;third faction&amp;quot; for a bit. It went unproduced as the writers couldn&#039;t see where to go with the idea.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Japanese dub of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia&#039;s character underwent a few noteworthy changes. Firstly, she had a voice that can only be described as &amp;quot;bipolar&amp;quot;. She would switch between her usual sultry, flirtatious voice to a screaming blood-thirsty maniac at the drop of a hat. Another notable change is that she was made more vain and bratty, occasionally being prone to whining, crying and begging for mercy from her enemies (things she never did in the English version). Her unique verbal tic was a habit of making a hissing &#039;&#039;tssshaaaa&#039;&#039; noise, a trait actress [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] would pass on to &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]&#039;&#039; [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]].&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[:File:Blackarachniahappymeal.jpg|artwork]] advertising the Transmetal Blackarachnia toy on Happy Meal Bags was rendered with the toy transformed incorrectly. Her beast mode head isn&#039;t flipped down, leaving her organic-looking robot mode chest exposed.&lt;br /&gt;
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*Even though Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia&#039;s toy has a unique faction-switching [[spark crystal]], the feature doesn&#039;t make sense in a fictional context. By that point in the &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; television series, the Transmetal Driver had destroyed her Predacon [[shell program]], making her fully Maximal. (Though, to be fair, it &#039;&#039;had&#039;&#039; happened mere moments previously.)&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia exhibited what appears to be telekinesis not long after gaining her Transmetal 2 form, levitating a steel girder to stop Rampage in &amp;quot;[[Master Blaster]]&amp;quot;. The ability only appeared once and was never explained, though it resembles the other strange, almost supernatural powers wielded by Transmetals 2 in the cartoon. Following her reformatting in &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia no longer possessed this ability.&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia&#039;s Transmetal 2 [[character model|animation model]] is noticeably tweaked from the toy design, with her extremely large shoulder-pads and back rockets all being significantly reduced to a very discreet size. Although arguably more [[Show-accuracy|toy-accurate]] than the CG model of her original body, this level of alteration was uncommon in [[To sell toys|new characters/upgraded bodies]] introduced from Season 2 onwards, as their animation models were more closely based on their respective toys (at least in appearance, if not always in capabilities.)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Animators&#039; Interview&amp;quot; from [[Madman Entertainment]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Season 3 DVDs.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sourcebook1Blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Woke up in Vegas next to [[BB#Notes|BB]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*Character and fiction information for the cancelled BT-16 &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot; toy finally emerged in late 2007 with the release of &#039;&#039;The Transformers Binaltech Stories: Profiles and Technical Specifications&#039;&#039;, an unofficial publication by &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; story writer [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] that compiled all then-current &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; information as well as that of the unreleased Blackarachnia and [[Ginrai]] toys. [[Ask Vector Prime]] would canonize her bio almost a decade later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia is (strangely) depicted solely using a golden orange version of her Transmetal II body in her IDW &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]&#039;&#039; profile entry. She received properly colored coverage of all her modes in the trade paperback version.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Nintendo 64 version of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transmetals&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia was a stretched [[palette swap|palette-swap]] of [[Tarantulas (BW)|Transmetal Tarantulas]]. The PlayStation version does not stretch out Tarantulas, instead remeshing the model to resemble her Transmetal 2 form.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (ブラックウィドー &#039;&#039;Burakkuwidō&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Cantonese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Alaina&#039;&#039;&#039; (雅麗娜 &#039;&#039;Aa Lai Naa&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;French:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Mygale&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada toy), &#039;&#039;&#039;La Veuve Noire&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada cartoon, &amp;quot;The Black Widow&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;ref name=TM2BA&amp;gt;Whether Transmetal II Blackarachnia had different French and Spanish names is uncertain at this point.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;German:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;Schwarze Arachnia&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; cartoon)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Italian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Arachnia&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Latvian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zirneklene&#039;&#039;&#039; (derived from &#039;&#039;zirneklis&#039;&#039;, meaning &amp;quot;spider&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Mandarin:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zhīzhū&#039;&#039;&#039; (蜘蛛, &amp;quot;Spider&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Dú Zhīzhū&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, 毒蜘蛛, &amp;quot;Venomous Spider&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Polish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Arachna&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Portuguese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Aracniana&#039;&#039;&#039; (Portugual), &#039;&#039;&#039;Viúva Negra&#039;&#039;&#039; (Brazil &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;Black Widow&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Russian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Chornaya Vdova&#039;&#039;&#039; (Чёрная Вдова, &amp;quot;Black Widow&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Spanish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Araña Negra&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Black Spider&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;ref name=TM2BA/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Alpha Trion&#039;s acolytes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Alternators Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Machines Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Predacons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Eukaris]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fast food exclusives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Female Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legends franchise]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Minions of Unicron]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Regeneration One Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Saboteurs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Transmetals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Transmetals 2]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:TransTech Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Turncoats]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wings Universe Maximals]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Blackarachnia (BW)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Squigsquasher: /* Legends */&lt;/p&gt;
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{{disambig3|Blackarachnia}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] who changes allegiances with alarming frequency from the [[Beast Era]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TFLegends-Blackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Hot, poisonous, and deadly. Rawr!]]&lt;br /&gt;
A sultry femme fatale, &#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; is smart, sexy, and dangerous. She&#039;s got eight legs, and she knows how to use them. Of the several rebellious Predacons under [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]&#039;s command, she&#039;s one of the very few who can, on occasion, outguile him. Always looking out for Number One, Blackarachnia values her independence and freedom above all else. She would rather be deactivated than be a slave.&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia&#039;s greatest weakness, other than her overconfidence, is her feelings for the Maximal [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. Something about his heroic demeanor and the kindness he shows her makes her uneasy. She hasn&#039;t experienced unconditional love before, and it scares her, though she&#039;ll never admit it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even when I&#039;m good, I&#039;m still bad.|Blackarachnia|&amp;quot;[[Crossing the Rubicon]]&amp;quot;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Working by moonlight, Blackarachnia posed as a double agent. In reality, this was merely a ruse she utilized in order to lure unwitting Maximals into her darkened den, where she first paralyzed her victim with a poisonous missile. She then proceeded to restrain her victim with her powerful legs, and subsequently sucked their life force dry... kinky. She was capable of converting thermal energy into [[cyber venom]]. {{storylink|Blackarachnia (BW)#Toys|Blackarachnia bio}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The new [[Transmetal 2]] body Blackarachnia acquired from Megatron&#039;s mysterious new technology had the power to cast illusions, altering her physical appearance and position for up to five minutes thanks to the electro disruptor housed in her... rear segment. {{storylink|Blackarachnia (BW)#Beast Wars|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia toy bio}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{voiceactor|[[Venus Terzo]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese)|[[Fátima Noya]] (Portuguese), [[Françoise Vallon]] (French), [[Loredana Alfieri]] (Italian), [[Uta Dahlbridge]] (German), [[Olga Hnidey]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Marisa Marco]] (Castilian Spanish)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BAintroduction.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Ah, the art of tightrope walking! One can&#039;t deny Blackarachnia her talents.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia was born from one of the [[Maximal|Maximals&#039;]] fallen [[stasis pod]]s. [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], watching a black widow fight and devour another spider, was inspired. [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], observing the slim and attractive Blackarachnia transform and strike a few poses, suggested that he had &amp;quot;ulterior motives behind her beast form selection&amp;quot; but she was a Predacon, and that was what was important. In the battle with the Maximals that followed, she easily defeated [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] with a well-placed kick. She was later reported as &amp;quot;missing,&amp;quot; though the reasons why and how were never addressed. {{storylink|Double Jeopardy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She was soon assigned to a mission with [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] to dig under the [[Axalon (BW)|Maximal base]] and use a [[sonic emitter]] she had invented to blow a hole into the bottom. She didn&#039;t get on well with either of them, but they managed to eventually get to the point where they were ready to trigger the emitter... only for [[Tigatron]] to steal it. By the time they caught up with the Maximal, the emitter was ready to explode, and they could only flee the blast area. {{storylink|A Better Mousetrap}} When [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]]&#039;s virus turned [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] into a berserker and he invaded the [[Darksyde (BW)|Predacon base]], Blackarachnia and Terrorsaur battled the other Maximals as they also tried to gain entry. Unfortunately Cheetor slipped past them and was able to rescue Primal, however at least the other Maximals were held off. {{storylink|Gorilla Warfare}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was present during the interrogation of Cheetor when the Predacons discovered that a [[temporal probe|Maximal probe]] was flying past the planet, and took part in the battle to destroy the signal array which the Maximals were building. Once [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]] was locked into his dino-mode by Tarantualas&#039;s [[transformation lock lens]], Blackarachnia delivered the coup de grâce after hitting the disabled Maximal with several kicks to the face, only to be subsequently blasted off a cliff by [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. {{storylink|The Probe}} The Predacons staged a deception, faking their own destruction and using signal dampeners invented by Blackarachnia to hide while the Maximals use parts from their ship to repair the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;. After being discovered by Dinobot, they pursued him. During an attempt to rush the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia was blasted by the ship&#039;s defenses. {{storylink|Victory (episode)|Victory}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TheSpark Blackarachnia spidermode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Prime used to leave his trailer behind when he transformed, so why &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; she do the same with her thorax?]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Megatron turned [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] into a Predacon using a [[Transmuter (BW)|Transmuter]], Blackarachnia and Megatron were startled by Waspinator&#039;s impression of [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]. {{storylink|Dark Designs}} Blackarachnia and Scorponok were dispatched to retrieve the latest crashed stasis pod. They encountered Tigatron, who disabled Scorponok, but was himself paralyzed by Blackarachnia&#039;s venom. At the pod, she fought Cheetor at length, but he caught her venom dart and used it to knock her out. {{storylink|The Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Trigger Blackarachnia chair.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Blackarachnia empowered by the chair.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The discovery of a mysterious [[Brigadoon|flying island]] led to Megatron dispatching Blackarachnia and Scorponok to investigate it. Blackarachnia, when she saw the power wielded by the island, resolved to herself that she would take control of it. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 1}} As the pair reached the obelisk in the center of the island, Waspinator and Terrorsaur arrived, and Blackarachnia tricked them into using their weapons, causing the island defenses to blast them. She then got rid of Scorponok using one of the island&#039;s traps, and took control of the island&#039;s power herself. Though she started piloting the island toward the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, Tigatron was able to destroy its energy supply, and the whole thing crashed to the ground. {{storylink|The Trigger, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She soon attempted to forge an alliance with Tarantulas, flattering him and accompanying him on a mission to secure the latest stasis pod to crash. Unfortunately they were too late to ensure the protoform obtained an arachnid [[beast mode]], and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] was born. While Blackarachnia was trying to get the new Predacon under control, Tarantulas made off with the real prize — the stasis pod itself. After the pod was destroyed, Tarantulas revealed to her that the planet was doomed, and she realised he&#039;d intended to use the pod to build an escape ship, but he rebuffed her offer of further help and threw her out of his lair. {{storylink|Spider&#039;s Game}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Possession Blackarachnia slags Starscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.55|Her eyes are up there! And down there! Take your pick.]]&lt;br /&gt;
A Predacon plan to steal the [[rectifier coil]] from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; resulted in the Maximals going feral, and Blackarachnia was part of the hunting party which pursued them into the jungle. She was defeated by Dinobot after the Maximals overcame their little problem. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}} When [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] took control of Waspinator&#039;s body and the Predacons were able to conquer the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, the Decepticon took Blackarachnia under his wing as a student and revealed his true intent to overthrow Megatron. After he abandoned her in the Maximal base, leaving her to escape Primal and Dinobot on her own, she took that as a hint to return the favour, and later shot a cluster of energon crystals, blasting Starscream free from Waspinator. She then engaged in some quick talking to get herself out of trouble with Megatron. {{storylink|Possession}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Tarantulas infected Rhinox with an [[energon discharge virus]], and was later himself incapacitated, leading the Predacons to investigate his lair to see if they could dig up any more of the virus. Blackarachnia was able to find a counter-virus, but while Megatron was attempting a brilliant gambit against the attacking Maximals, Rhinox countered with an almighty fart which left the Predacon forces hanging from a tree. {{storylink|The Low Road}} Some time later, Megatron called a truce when signs pointed to the [[Vok|aliens]] returning. Tarantulas stole a transwarp cell from the &#039;&#039;Darksyde&#039;&#039;, leading Megatron to assign Blackarachnia to keep an eye on him. The two spiders attempted to stop Tigatron escaping the Predacon base, but were tricked into being flattened by a boulder by Dinobot. They were the least damaged, however, and dragged the rest of the Predacons back to base. {{storylink|Before the Storm}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:OtherVoices2 possessed Blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Tarantulas feels pretty, oh so pretty...]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia offered to help Tarantulas break into the Maximal base to steal a stasis pod. They were able to use one of Blackarachnia&#039;s inventions to penetrate the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; shields and overcome Rhinox and Dinobot. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}} As Tarantulas worked to turn the stasis pod into an escape ship, Blackarachnia turned on him, intending to use the pod herself. They were interrupted by Inferno, who slagged Tarantulas, but Blackarachnia was easily able to defeat him in return. She linked to Tarantulas&#039;s mind to obtain the necessary information, and successfully completed modifying the pod... only to be captured by the Maximals. Optimus forced her to change the control codes to respond to him, so he could pilot the pod himself and destroy the [[Planet Buster]] weapon threatening the planet. As it happened, Megatron had sabotaged the transwarp cell, and Optimus was unable to eject before impact. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While attempting to escape from the Maximal base, Blackarachnia was shocked to discover that her earlier interfacing with Taratulas had resulted in a permanent mind-link between the two of them. Tarantulas was able to force her to take his body with her as she left the base. Though she was intercepted by Tigatron and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]], Megatron happened to turn up at that point. He threatened to terminate Blackarachnia, but she talked her way out of it by pointing out the simple fact that Megatron&#039;s stock of troops was sorely depleted. Of course, during the inevitable battle, Tarantulas forced Blackarachnia to retreat with his body. {{storylink|Aftermath}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ComingoftheFuzors Blackarachnia downloading.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|She blinded me with computer science!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Returning to the Predacon base, Blackarachnia interrupted Dinobot stealing the [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disk]]s, but refused Tarantulas&#039;s order that she should try to get them back. Instead she repaired him, but discovered that the mind link persisted. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}} While Tarantulas went to help Megatron&#039;s latest battle, Blackarachnia dug through the base&#039;s computer for information on the Golden Disks and discovered important data, including the access codes to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. she was able to download it while Tarantulas was unconscious, and destroyed the computer. She later told Megatron and Tarantulas that Dinobot had destroyed the computer and the data lost. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The two spiders were later sent with new recruit [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] to build a refueling station in a cave full of energon. Tarantulas schemed to take over the cave himself and attempted to persuade Blackarachnia to join him, but soon realised she was hiding something from him. When he tried to rip the information from her mind, she cracked an energon cube, the radiation causing them both pain and forcing him to sever the mental link. He threatened to tear her apart, but was interrupted when Rattrap and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] arrived to fight. Silverbolt, much to Rattrap&#039;s annoyance, refused to strike Blackarachnia because she was female. In the end, Tarantulas used the battle as cover to fake the destruction of the cave, and the trio had to report their failure to Megatron. {{storylink|Tangled Web}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Dinobot attempted to defect back to the Predacons, Blackarachnia suggested he prove himself by fighting with Quickstrike. {{storylink|Maximal, No More}} During another alien incursion, Megatron took Blackarachnia and Inferno to the Maximal base, where they were able to overcome Rhinox, the sole Maximal there. Blackarachnia grabbed the alien [[Golden Disk (Vok)|Golden Disk]]. Megatron and Tarantulas colluded to work against the aliens, and when Megatron questioned why, Blackarachnia revealed that she had learned from the mind link that Tarantulas hated the aliens and wanted to destroy them. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 1)}} Though Blackarachnia was rendered unconscious by a blast from the [[Metal Hunter|alien construct]] that appeared, she was reactivated when Megatron took control of the construct and brought the other Predacons aboard. She was one of the Predacons sent out to defend the construct against the Maximals, but Tarantulas managed to infiltrate and destroy it anyway. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachnia fightback.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Spousal abuse!]]&lt;br /&gt;
When an energon blast sent her and Silverbolt into the middle of the dense jungles, they were forced to work together. Though attracted to the [[Fuzor]], Blackarachnia was endlessly frustrated by his seemingly idiotic chivalry and need to treat her specially. Megatron, listening in via a [[synch-pulse transmitter]] he&#039;d planted on her, was disgusted by the obvious romance going on. Still Silverbolt and Blackarachnia worked together surprisingly well, saving each other&#039;s life in turns, and eventually defeating [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] with the help of Optimus and Cheetor. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Predacons attacked the valley of proto-humans, Blackarachnia was teamed with Inferno. She did considerable damage to Dinobot before being blasted herself. {{storylink|Code of Hero}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia took advantage of Silverbolt&#039;s obvious interest in her, meeting the Maximal at a secluded location to obtain a [[graviton generator]].  She used the generator to convert a stasis pod into a makeship hoversled, and later overheard Megatron giving a mission to Waspinator.  As the Maximals fought their way into the Predacon base, Blackarachnia emerged on her sled to encounter Silverbolt. Silverbolt refused a direct order from Optimus to shoot her, allowing her to leave and tail Waspinator instead. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} Silverbolt eventually caught up with Blackarachnia, who resorted to shooting him in order to try to get the point across that he should leave her alone. It didn&#039;t really work, and when the hoversled she was on hit Waspinator, Silverbolt saved her from plummeting to the ground. He subsequently joined her in digging into the side of the mountain they had been heading towards. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BA Silverbolt Agenda3.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|I can walk, you know.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Finally they broke through into a huge cavern containing the Ark, and Blackarachnia explained the ship&#039;s significance to her companion. While she was keen to take the power for herself, Megatron arrived and knocked Silverbolt offline before caving in the tunnel they&#039;d dug. Having always intended for her to reach the Ark as he knew she had the access codes, Megatron threatened to vape Silverbolt unless she did what he said. Bitterly, she agreed to his demands, reluctantly opening the ship and, while Megatron went on, using the Ark&#039;s security system to hold off the Maximals. Megatron took the opportunity to attempt to assassinate [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], potentially erasing the Maximals from history. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately for Megatron, Blackarachnia had originally been a Maximal protoform, and certainly wasn&#039;t willing to die for his cause. She activated [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I&#039;s]] security nets to force Megatron off the ship. With Silverbolt&#039;s help, she got the dying Autobot leader under life support and began the repairs. The Maximals were forced to accept her help, but while the Maximals were occupied with Megatron, Blackarachnia slipped out... only to be trapped by falling rocks, and slagged by Megatron during his escape. Silverbolt cradled her to his chest as she shut down, swearing vengeance until the other Maximals suggested he stop messing around and get her to a repair chamber. With no much other choice, Blackarachnia joined the Maximal ranks. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}} She even spent time on guard duty outside the base with Silverbolt. {{storylink|Deep Metal}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia quickly showed her usefulness to the Maximals, building a hand-powered [[subaquatic stealth vessel]] that could retrieve Sentinel from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;&#039;s underwater resting place. Rattrap was less than thrilled about having to use the &amp;quot;Predacon beach ball&amp;quot;. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cutting Edge Blackarachnia kids.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Actually just picking up lunch.]]&lt;br /&gt;
She was even less thrilled when she ended up having to escort two human children back to their tribe along with Cheetor, who was exhibiting a boyish crush on her, much to Silverbolt&#039;s annoyance. Rattrap was also rather distrusting of her, as earlier he had spied Blackarachnia sneaking some parts from a classified area. But when Megatron&#039;s new [[cyber raptor]]s attacked, Blackarachnia showed her good side by defending the children, even taking a hit from Tarantulas for them, which she immediately denied to an impressed Silverbolt by saying she slipped. With the cyber raptors defeated, she informed Cheetor that he was a nice kid - which were two strikes against him, so don&#039;t go looking for strike three. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] returned from a mission reporting that Cheetor had been destroyed trying to interfere with Megatron&#039;s experiment, however the Maximal had secretly brought back the [[Transmetal driver]], a component of Megatron&#039;s experiment. Though he tossed it into a pool of lava, Blackarachnia was able to grab it before it was destroyed. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 1}} She took part in the search for Cheetor, leading Silverbolt to develop jealousy at her apparent concern for their comrade. He later turned up with, it transpired, a new [[Transmetal 2]] body, which Blackarachnia took particular interest in. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ProvingGrounds Blackarachnia wink.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Look at that trustworthy face! Blackarachnia&#039;s not going to backstab us!]]&lt;br /&gt;
After Rhinox scanned her and found the [[shell program]] that made her a Predacon, Blackarachnia finally got fed up with Rattrap&#039;s attitude and Cheetor&#039;s crush, and would have choked/blasted them both if Optimus hadn&#039;t intervened. Weary that apparently she hadn&#039;t proven herself to the Maximals and thinking that Optimus and Rhinox were planning to force her to remove the shell, Blackarachnia decided to split... which turned out to be a bad decision, as [[Dinobot II]] had been waiting for this moment. Taking turns hunting each other, Blackarachnia got the upper hand but was caught off-guard by Dinobot&#039;s power and durability. Fleeing to a mesa, she was found by Silverbolt, who got in a fight with Dinobot and was about to be slagged. Blackarachnia shot him out of the way, then tried to make a deal with Dinobot to take over the Ark and the Predacons, which backfired and allowed Dinobot to stun her, but he was distracted by Silverbolt long enough for the two Maximals to finally defeat him. After an argument between the pair, where Blackarachnia was enraged that Silverbolt thought she&#039;d really been striking a deal with Dinobot instead of trying to con the villain, Optimus arrived to point out that the decision to remove the program had always been up to her. {{storylink|Proving Grounds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Megatron attempted to fire his new [[disruptor cannon]] on the Maximal base, the Maximals prepared for the worst, but the cannon blew up instead. {{storylink|Go with the Flow}} &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CrossingtheRubicron-newbody.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|80% more pointy edges!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Seeking more power, Blackarachnia attempted to use the Transmetal driver on herself. Silverbolt, not realizing what she was planning, bailed her out of the contraption. Like every good girlfriend, she began to chew him out, but was cut off as an energy surge made her lose control of her circuits. A security system Tarantulas installed had been triggered by her tampering with her core, and the only way to fix it was to cut the Predacon [[shell program]] loose. Reluctantly, she agreed, especially since this was a very difficult procedure that could lead to her death. With time running out, she passed the Ark&#039;s access codes on to Primal in case she didn&#039;t make it and shut herself down, leaving herself in Rhinox&#039;s care. Rhinox began the operation, but his tinkering tripped an alert in [[Tarantulas&#039;s lair]]. The Predacons got wind of what he was doing and mounted an attack on the Maximal base. The Maximals countered their attack, but the power was disrupted by a shot fired by Tarantulas at a critical stage. This apparently killed Blackarachnia. &lt;br /&gt;
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Distraught, Silverbolt took off to avenge her death, blinded by rage. However, in Silverbolt&#039;s absence, Blackarachnia&#039;s body attracted the attention of the Transmetal driver, and she was resurrected in a new Transmetal 2 form. She arrived just in time to save Silverbolt from Rampage. Rampage admitted that he liked her new look, but tried to kill her just the same. Surprisingly, Blackarachnia was able to disarm and stun the titanic Rampage, ultimately throwing him over the horizon using her webs. Silverbolt was, of course, overjoyed to see his beloved alive, but Blackarachnia told him to knock off the vengeful hero stuff so she wouldn&#039;t have to keep endangering herself with inevitable rescue attempts. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:MasterBlaster Blackarachnia beast mode.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Actually a real spider in [[Australia]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
Some time later, Blackarachnia returned to base to find the doors open. It was the result of Megatron&#039;s latest plan as it turned out, which involved Quickstrike taking control of Optimus Primal&#039;s body, rendering the other Maximals unconscious and placing them in a cage. Left in Rampage&#039;s &amp;quot;care&amp;quot;, Blackarachnia was able to use some sort of telekinesis to make a girder fly through the air and disable the Predacon. After dealing with Inferno, she went to release the other Maximals, only to run into Quickstrike and Primal. She freed Primal by disabling Quickstrike&#039;s control suit, and subsequently managed to stop the Ark&#039;s destruct sequence, which Tarantulas had set in motion, before rescuing the other Maximals and helping fight Megatron off. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Nemesis2-Maximals.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Spot the Mega Class toy!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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When an object from space destroyed the Predacon base, Blackarachnia realised that the aliens had returned — in this case in the form of the Vok emissary [[Tigerhawk]]. She cut short Rattrap&#039;s celebrations by pointing out that when Tigerhawk had finished with the Predacons, he&#039;d probably come for them. {{storylink|Other Victories}} Tigerhawk, in fact, joined the Maximals. When Silverbolt was injured looking for the Predacons, Blackarachnia rode to his aid on Cheetor&#039;s back, and the pair took him back to base for repairs. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} After Megatron raised the &#039;&#039;[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]&#039;&#039; from the depths of the ocean, the Maximals struggled to prepare the Ark for moving. In search of something to make a power link, Blackarachnia grabbed Rattrap&#039;s tail-whip, snipping off the end and repurposing it as a power cable. Though the attempt to shift the Ark failed, Rhinox used a shuttle to defeat Megatron. The Maximals subsequently blasted off for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the shuttle. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia brought [[Fractyl (BW)|Fractyl]] back to reality after the Predacon scientist had been daydreaming about the worst case scenarios that would follow up his presentation to Megatron about his &amp;quot;[[energon armor]]&amp;quot;. When Fractyl expressed a desire to inform Megatron about the current progress of his experiements with [[furmanite]], Blackarachnia dissuaded him from doing so, secretly hoping to use Fractyl&#039;s invention for her own gain. She and Inferno continued to keep watch over Fractyl, until [[Packrat]] stumbled upon the scene, causing Inferno to lash out violently. In the confusion that followed, Packrat ran off, prompting Blackarachnia to order Inferno to pursue him. She then turned to Fractyl for an explanation to his armor&#039;s volatilie nature, only to learn that furmanite was, in truth, &amp;quot;anti-energon&amp;quot;. Realizing that if enough energon came into contact with the furmanite, it could spell doom for the entire planet, Blackarachnia went to fetch Megatron while Fractyl pursued the Maximal. When she and Megatron came upon Fractyl, he had retrieved the armor, and was sending a small group of Maximals fleeing. {{storylink|Ground Zero}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Megatron took on his dragon form, Blackarachnia participated in [[Point Omega]] and was eviscerated by [[Shokaract]]&#039;s firepower. She got better as space-time rebooted itself with the disappearance of the [[Dark Essence]] from the past. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While the Maximals attempted to remove her Predacon shell program, an alternate Transmetal &amp;quot;Vok&amp;quot; body was somehow automatically created (by someone, somehow) in [[Transwarp|subspace]] just in case it was needed. It wasn&#039;t, and so it was &amp;quot;sidelined&amp;quot;. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Not long after Megatron took the original Megatron&#039;s spark into himself, he had Quickstrike deliver a device to the Maximal base which amplified the Maximals&#039; aggression. Blackarachnia was attacked by Rhinox before escaping while Silverbolt distracted him. Once Optimus Primal was able to overcome the device&#039;s effects and free the other Maximals, they attempted unsuccessfully to capture Megatron in one of Blackarachnia&#039;s webs. {{storylink|A Meeting of Minds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After the Maximals returned to Cybertron, Blackarachia was trying to persuade Silverbolt that it was all right for them to resume their romance after Megatron&#039;s apparent death, when they were attacked by a strange zombie-like creature. After it zapped Silverbolt, she unsuccessfully tried to attack it in retaliation. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{voiceactor|[[Venus Terzo]] (English), [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] (Japanese)|[[Márcia Moreli]] (Portuguese), [[Rossella Acerbo]] (Italian), [[Heike Schroetter]] (German), [[Olga Hnidey]] (Latin American Spanish), [[Maxo Barjas]] (Castilain Spanish)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Autobot shuttle crashed on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the Maximal team was gassed, Blackarachnia&#039;s Transmetal 2 powers were stripped away from her, as were her memories. As such, the amnesiac Maximal decided to head underground, distraught and confused. Locked out of her [[robot mode]], she awaited her imminent deactivation...until the other three survivors—an equally disoriented [[Optimus Primal/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]—plunged into her web. Primal made the decision to head underground, and Blackarachnia complied, using her webs to grant them safe passage. However, in her weakened state her webbing was limited, and so the foursome plummeted most of the way down into the chamber of the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]]. She watched as Optimus emerged in his [[technorganic]] form, and she was the fourth and last Maximal to be [[Reformatting|reformatted]], emerging as a pink black widow spider with green markings. When attacked by a squadron of Cycle Drones, she put her technorganic mode to good use, trapping one of the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]] in a tangle of web. {{storylink|The Reformatting}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Under Primal&#039;s tutelage, Cheetor and Blackarachnia relearned the ability to transform, and the Maximals set about finding a new base. Blackarachnia managed to goad Cheetor into accompanying her aboveground to find out what had happened to the residents of Cybertron. They accessed the [[Cybertron InfoCore]], only to find it had been wiped. The Maximals visited the [[Council Citadel]], allowing Blackarachnia to test her new powers in combat, including an ability to fire electrical &amp;quot;stings&amp;quot; through the ground. To her shock, they discovered that the mastermind behind the cleansing of Cybertron was none other than Megatron. {{storylink|Master of the House}} During an attempt to access the [[Cybertron Archives]], she received a vision of prehistoric [[Earth]] and [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]]. She sneaked off to the spaceport to consult the records of their arrival and was followed by Rattrap. As well as encountering Megatron&#039;s new, sentient [[Vehicon general]]s, they discovered that there had been six occupants in the shuttle. Seeking more information, Blackarachnia attempted to access the logs from the shuttle itself, only for Megatron to attempt to access her own mind, and she was only prevented from revealing the location of the Maximal base by Rattrap severing the link. The pair were subsequently rescued by Primal and Cheetor, but Blackarachnia&#039;s information reawakened memories of Rhinox and Silverbolt in them all. {{storylink|Fires of the Past}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Rattrap&#039;s use of a transformation enhancer got the Maximals captured by Megatron for a short time, but during their escape, Optimus reported that [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]&#039;s spark seemed familiar. {{storylink|Mercenary Pursuits}} Blackarachnia and crew later discovered the bat-creature [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]], who led them to a strange, organic fruit tree. Upon eating the fruit, Blackarachnia began to revert to her instinctual &amp;quot;animal&amp;quot; mind, and it was only thanks to [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] that her feral mind returned to normal, and thanks to Primal that the bat&#039;s life was saved and reformatted into a technorganic body. {{storylink|Forbidden Fruit}} After another mission was fouled up by Rattrap&#039;s antics during Optimus&#039;s convalescence from reformatting Nightscream, the remaining Maximals discussed what they needed to do about Rattrap. Blackarachnia was irritated by Rattrap&#039;s uselessness, but Cheetor asserted that they had to cover for their friend. They were shocked to find a while later that Rattrap had overheard them and taken up with Megatron in exchange for weapons. Primal talked Rattrap around, scolding the other Maximals that they undervalued their teammate. {{storylink|The Weak Component}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Revelations3 Blackarachnia closeup.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|She looks a bit more normal when she closes the extra eyes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Later, the group stumbled across one of Megatron&#039;s many Transformer junkyards, where the lifeless, [[spark]]less bodies of the city&#039;s inhabitants were disposed of. When [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]] and Blackarachnia were split up from the battle, the two made an unofficial truce, but when Thrust saved her life and her spark, having strange recollections of doing so before, her mind was set: He was Silverbolt, mutated and made evil by Megatron. She resolved to get her lover back, but didn&#039;t reveal to the other Maximals that she believed Thrust was Silverbolt. {{storylink|Revelations Part I: Discovery|Discovery}} When Cheetor enacted a subsequent plan to try to hack into Tankor, Blackarachnia volunteered to keep Thrust busy. She made numerous appeals to Thrust to try to bring out his Maximal nature, but Thrust was hesitant and was soon bullied into extracting her spark by [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent|Descent}} As her spark rocketed into the darkness, Nightscream fought Jetstorm for it. At the same time, on another plane of existence, Blackarachnia encountered Primal, who calmed her astral spirit down, at the same time allowing Nightscream to restore it and bring her back. She and Nightscream were able to come to Cheetor and Rattrap&#039;s aid, but they had found that Tankor was really Rhinox, and their old friend was now siding with Megatron&#039;s view of a technological Cybertron. {{storylink|Revelations Part III: Apocalypse|Apocalypse}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Nightscream was snatched away by the Vehicons, the other Maximals gave pursuit. Blackarachnia&#039;s hesitation in attacking Thrust allowed the Vehicon to pursue Primal and Nightscream, who had discovered a [[fossil cave|cave full of fossils]], proving Cybertron was once organic. {{storylink|Survivor}} When Tankor gained control of the [[Key to Vector Sigma]] and &amp;quot;infected&amp;quot; Nightscream and the new orchard with the Key, Blackarachnia quickly found that the [[organic goo]] they&#039;d just discovered was a cure to the [[technomatter]]. While the other Maximals went to get a mole drone, Blackarachnia stayed behind to look after Nightscream, only to be infected by him and temporarily lose her own sanity. The other Maximals eventually returned with a drone and were able to cure her. {{storylink|The Key}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Sorry, your boyfriend was behind door number 2!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Taking a vial of the goo, Blackarachnia kidnapped Thrust, trapping him in a web and using the goo to force out his inner personality, in the expectation that Silverbolt would emerge. Instead, she discovered that Thrust was [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], who&#039;d flown to Cybertron from prehistoric Earth. When Jetstorm attacked, another mishap with the organic goop occurred, and for a moment Silverbolt&#039;s true personality emerged, sweeping Blackarachnia in his arms. However, as he and Waspinator fought over Blackarachnia, the goo vanished from the both of them, and the Vehicons&#039; minds both returned. Blackarachnia was swiftly rescued by the other Maximals, riding a giant vine created by a catalyst which Rattrap had found. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was involved in the battle in Megatron&#039;s Citadel, holding off the Vehicons as Primal confronted Megatron within, though she, along with the others, were all overwhelmed by the Key to Vector Sigma and became comatose. {{storylink|End of the Line}} The clashing energies of the Key and the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] restored the four Maximals to life. Entering the Council Citadel, they found that the battle had claimed Primal, Megatron and Tankor. They headed for the Oracle in search of guidance, where they found Optimus Primal floating within, and they convinced him to return to real-space and continue his leadership.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals returned to the surface to find a [[Grand Mal|giant floating head]] in the likeness of Megatron. {{storylink|Fallout (episode)|Fallout}} Blackarachnia and Nightscream tried unsuccessfully to infiltrate the head. Leaving Optimus to try and contact Megatron&#039;s spark, the other Maximals went to find the two remaining Vehicon generals and encountered a strange, organic Transformer named [[Noble (BM)|Noble]], who changed from a wolf into the dragon-like Savage. {{storylink|Savage Noble}} The Maximals later infiltrated the Council Citadel, looking for information, only to discover that Noble was actually Megatron, trapped in his own organic half. Megatron used [[spark extractor]]s to remove his spark, taking over the huge, flying head and reactivating the Vehicon drone army, which forced the Maximals back underground. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniasilverboltdarkestknight.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Vamp meets goth.]]&lt;br /&gt;
When Rattrap revealed he&#039;s created a device he hoped could be used to restore the stolen sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia &amp;quot;borrowed&amp;quot; it. She managed to force Jetstorm into a large pool of the organic goo, and his body began to change. Scanning a nearby condor skeleton, he awoke in a new form, a purple technorganic bird of prey. Blackarachnia was startled by the change in him. Instead of the lovable, chivalrous knight in shining armor, he was a brittle, haunted bot, tormented by the images of the evil deeds he had done...done by choice. Though he gave up on himself, she never did, urging Silverbolt to forgive his past, prompting him to head to the Grand Mal to confront his old master and rescue Primal and Cheetor. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia continued to assure Silverbolt that things would get better. After Silverbolt inadvertently spread a new, [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]-enhanced version of the old [[Hate Plague]], causing dissension in the ranks, he blamed himself, but she and the other Maximals were supportive. {{storylink|A Wolf in the Fold}} Later, when a Maximal spaceship crashed, the Maximals split up to reach it in time. As they did, Blackarachnia confided to Rattrap that she&#039;d found Silverbolt increasingly cold towards her. At the ship, they encountered a strange, alien plant monster, which Primal reformatted, revealing it to be [[Botanica (BM)|Botanica]], a fellow Maximal. {{storylink|Home Soil}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals would soon encounter two new Vehicon generals, [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]], whose gambit almost defeated them until Botanica stepped in. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|The Strike}} Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were teamed up with Cheetor during a search for the missing sparks. Though Silverbolt was uncomfortable about following someone he still regarded as a kid, Blackarachnia defended Cheetor. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}} The Maximals attempted to infiltrate the Grand Mal to find the missing sparks, only to discover that Megatron was using them to fuel his great ascension. Nightscream&#039;s intercession appeared to dispel the Vehicon leader&#039;s spark. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege|The Seige}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltblackarachniaseedsofthefuture.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Eeek! That smile! Go back to glowering!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Once the Maximals had celebrated, Blackarachnia tried to talk to Silverbolt, believing now was the time for them to renew their romance. Silverbolt was not convinced of Megatron&#039;s demise, and in fact, he was right: Megatron still lived as a disembodied and depolarized spark. The pair found themselves being attacked by a zombie of pieced-together Vehicon parts, animated by the power of Megatron&#039;s spark. Megatron was later trapped in a [[Diagnostic Drone]] by Rattrap. {{storylink|Spark of Darkness}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt, Blackarachnia and Nightscream attacked the Vehicons while the others attempted to secure the sparks in the Grand Mal. They were subsequently able to put Megatron&#039;s Vehicon factory out of commission, but the Grand Mal itself was brought down. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral|The Downward Spiral}} Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were able to share a quiet moment before the final battle, and they received a spark power-up from the collective population of Cybertron. However, they were both felled during battle by Obsidian and Thrust, respectively. Their sparks were then torn from them by cycle drones. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|When Legends Fall}} Though unable to assist physically, Blackarachnia and the other Maximals were able to give moral support to Primal during his final battle against Megatron, which resulted in the sacrifice of both leaders and the reformatting of Cybertron into a technorganic paradise. With harmony restored, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were finally able to be together. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Seeds of the Future}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after Cybertron underwent the [[Great Reformatting]], the [[Quintesson]]s seized the opportunity to attack, believing that the revolutionary change would have rendered the planets&#039; inhabitants confused and docile. Suffice to say, the Transformers were greatly underestimated. Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were successfully able to fend [[Cybertropolis]] from Quintesson invaders. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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One year later, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia were chosen to greet a ship of returning Autobot heroes from the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]]. Their welcomes were ignored by the crew, which included [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]], and [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], when they realized that their home had been transformed into a strange technorganic paradise. Only [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] was unphased, choosing to talk up Blackarachnia and Silverbolt so that he could mug for [[Rook (Universe)|Rook&#039;s]] cameras. &lt;br /&gt;
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Their greeting was interrupted by a series of what appeared to be fireworks. Instead, they were beams of energy sent by [[Unicron]] to capture the returning crew, Blackarachnia, and Silverbolt, and bring them to him. When they arrived, a booming voice welcomed them to the [[Pit]], a dimension inside Unicron. Blackarachnia and her fellow captives were painfully smelted down and reformed; only Trailbreaker emerged unchanged. Since she arrived, Blackarachnia had begun to feel a growing anger that she couldn&#039;t control. And in this new Unicron-tainted form, she more than welcomed the swarm of creatures that began swarming her group. Overwhelmed, Blackarachnia and the others were herded into the [[Cauldron]] and filed into prison cells. As Blackarachnia protested, she was silenced by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]], one of their hosts.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was revealed to them by the master of ceremonies, [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]], that they would be forced to fight fellow abducted Transformers. The loser&#039;s [[spark]] would fuel and empower Unicron, whose form had fallen into disrepair. Blackarachnia&#039;s uncontrollable rage welcomed this bloodsport, as Silverbolt watched helplessly as she fell under Unicron&#039;s evil spell. {{storylink|Abduction}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Optimus Primal, resurrected by [[Primus]], arrived to rescue the prisoners of the Cauldron, and with help from Silverbolt and Trailbreaker, its captives were set free. But Unicron&#039;s grip on Blackarachnia was too strong. She began lashing out madly, even at Silverbolt, and the Fuzor took tight hold of her so that he might swiftly remove her from Unicron&#039;s grip. But as the others began jumping through a portal that would lead them to their respective homes across the [[multiverse]], Blackarachnia had a moment of clarity. Sadly, she told Silverbolt that Unicron had awakened her &#039;&#039;true&#039;&#039; nature, then bid him farewell and threw him through the portal. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Closure? Maybe?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Soon, she was escorted by Tankor and [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] to the center of Unicron, where she was repulsed to meet a familiar face: Tarantulas! {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was dispatched to Cybertron&#039;s [[Undercity]], where she observed Rattrap for a while. Finally, she made her presence known, stinging him with her cybervenom. She never had liked the vermin, after all. Suddenly, Rattrap was saved by [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], back from the dead. Blackarachnia was knocked out, and Depth Charge left the weakened Rattrap to fend for himself. As Depth Charge departed, he found himself surrounded by Blackarachnia&#039;s [[Piranacon (Universe)|Piranacons]]. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Much later, Optimus Primal waged one last desperate assault against Unicron, and his [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]] were able to defeat the [[Minion of Unicron|Minions of Unicron]]. As Unicron himself seemed to dissolve below them, Silverbolt carried Blackarachnia with him, saving her from sharing the gruesome fate of her evil peers. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Soon after [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]]&#039;s intrusion into the Beast Wars, Blackarachnia joined a battle between Maximals and Predacons. {{storylink|Optimus Primal Chapter}} Blackarachnia faced off against Dinobot, who attacked with his Dino Sabel. {{storylink|Dinobot Chapter}} Blackarachnia counterattacked with her Anchor Shot. {{storylink|Blackarachnia Chapter}} The battle was joined by [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s from another universe, {{storylink|Tigatron Chapter}} and the collective Maximal/Autobot forces faced off against their opposite factions. {{storylink|Motorarm Chapter}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As the victorious Maximals travelled forward in time from prehistoric Earth to far-future Cybertron, their shuttle was suddenly struck by a powerful force of darkness. Hurled into the early 21st century, Blackarachnia was forced by Unicron to aid him in his efforts to destroy the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. Her spark was placed inside the silver Beta Unit Honda S-2000 Aero Style body intended for the Autobot warrior [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]], and her mind was overwhelmed by an evil essence that forced her to do Unicron&#039;s bidding.&lt;br /&gt;
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Still possessing her extrasensory Transmetal 2 powers including telekinesis, Blackarachnia gained several additional weapons courtesy of her new form: a long-range Venom Sniper Gun that fired system-disrupting energy bullets, a defensive riot shield that projected an electromagnetic field from its edge, and the ability to fire strong artificial webs from her grill, exhaust pipe and hands in robot mode.&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was partnered with the newly-created [[Decepticharge]] and dispatched to confront [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]&#039;s forces on Earth. Finding them in the middle of a [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]-led uprising, the pair put down the rebellion and ordered the Decepticons to defeat [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and destroy the Matrix.&lt;br /&gt;
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While forced to act as a Decepticon, Blackarachnia&#039;s true self remained intact but submerged, struggling to overcome Unicron&#039;s control and desperate to correct the warped Binaltech timeline.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[universal stream]] [[Primax 208.06 Zeta]], Blackarachnia was killed when Megatron tricked her into destroying the Vok weapon while she was trying to escape Earth. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BlackarachniaMetalsMangaDrop.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Are those high heels or platform shoes?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Following the [[Quantum surge]], Blackarachnia was one of the few Transformers &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; to be upgraded into a [[Transmetal]]. As [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] and his armies laid siege to the weakened Maximal base, Blackarachnia waited in secret for an opening. When [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] was forced to shut [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] down to let an injured [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] in, Blackarachnia saw her chance and entered the base. Knocking out Airazor and ripping [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]&#039;s arm off, Blackarachnia confronted Rhinox. Rhinox proceeded to pull out a &amp;quot;gun&amp;quot;, but instead of shooting her with it, he blasted himself in the head (the &amp;quot;gun&amp;quot; actually being a machine allowing him to enter [[Transwarp]] space). Confused, but seeing no further use for the Maximals, Blackarachnia left the base. As the base collapsed behind her, she was approached by Quickstrike, who didn&#039;t like her &amp;quot;interfering&amp;quot; with his business. Not in the mood, she immediately kicked his head off. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 1|Beast Wars Metals #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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She later teamed with Tarantulas in confronting Tigatron. Tarantulas was promptly cut in two by the Maximal, though Blackarachnia blocked his sword with her legs and was able to escape with her comrade&#039;s body. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 2|Beast Wars Metals #2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Tarantulas recovered and took control of Tigatron&#039;s mind. Blackarachnia disapproved of such an invasive attack, but Tarantulas ignored her. While Airazor fought to save Tigatron&#039;s mind and body, Blackarachnia had a change of heart and decapitated Tarantulas with her thighs. She then entered the battle to help Airazor, but was shot in the back by Tarantulas&#039; headless body. Ultimately, Tigatron&#039;s mind was saved, but Airazor died in the process. With nobody noticing, Blackarachnia slunk away to the &#039;&#039;Ark&#039;&#039;. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 4|Beast Wars Metals #4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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There, she met severed head of Megatron and disapproved of his plan to kill the sleeping Optimus Prime and disrupt the timestream. She kicked his head into a lava pit, but this only allowed Megatron to merge with the spark of [[Megatron (G1)|his ancestor]] and become even more powerful. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 5|Beast Wars Metals #5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia followed [[Reptilion|Reptillion]]{{sic}} in battle against [[Optimus Primal]] and his Autobot forces. She teamed up with [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] to fight [[Striker]] before being abducted by [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Universe CD-ROM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Scavengerblackarachniaalphatriontranscendent.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Silverbolt would not approve.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Though she may appear to be a native of [[Axiom Nexus]], Blackarachnia was brought online in a [[Primax 209.0 Gamma|far different universe]]. On a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] where the Autobots and Decepticons had grown too decrepit to carry on the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], they constructed proxy armies in the form of the [[Maximal]]s and Predacons. As a result from her first moments Blackarachnia knew only strife and combat. Increasingly questioning the orders of her Autobot masters, the breaking point came with the death of her colleagues Silverbolt and Rhinox. She conspired with [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] and together they killed their commander, Optimus Primal. &lt;br /&gt;
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Joined by the malcontent Predacons [[Immorticon (BW)|Immorticon]] and [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]], they fled and activated an experimental [[transwarp]] device, hoping to escape Cybertron. Instead, they found themselves in Axiom Nexus. After processing, they were placed in the care of [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]. He convinced her that the [[Transcendent Technomorph]]s who ruled the city were little different from the Autobots under whose yoke she had chafed. Under his tender ministrations, her spark was transferred from her Lowtech body into that of her Transcendent Technomorph [[Blackarachnia (TransTech)|counterpart]], with the authorities of Axiom Nexus none the wiser. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors&#039; Club issue 25|&amp;quot;TransTech&amp;quot; Blackarachnia&#039;s profile in Club magazine #25}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Thus upgraded, she joined Alpha Trion&#039;s insurrectionist organization, and was part of the raid on [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]]&#039;s laboratory in the hopes of rescuing [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]]. Blackarachnia and her comrades successfully stormed into Shockwave&#039;s inner sanctum, where they came face-to-face with the formidable [[Megatron (TransTech)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 5}} Despite that rather severe obstacle, Blackarachnia and the Alpha Trion&#039;s minions managed to secure the transit room and transwarp to the Old One&#039;s original universal stream. {{storylink|Transcendent: Part 6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Regeneration One&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Gas skunk blackarachnia jetstorm leobreaker starscream war to end all wars.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67]]&lt;br /&gt;
As the Dark [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] creature tortured [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Circuit Smasher]] with visions of his [[Sparkplug Witwicky|dead father]] in [[Zero Space]], cracks began to appear in the membrane of infinite worlds. Through one, Blackarachnia could be seen alongside [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]], [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]], [[Gas Skunk]] and [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Wings Universe&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Wingsnote}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:HoistTheFlag-PrimalPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]&lt;br /&gt;
An image of Blackarachnia carrying a Maximal flag and being led by [[Primal Prime]] into battle (presumably taken during the [[Quintesson]] invasion) hung in the Cybertronian Knights headquarters. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers vs. G.I. Joe&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
A Decepticon believed to have been killed by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], Blackarachnia had in fact survived and made her way into [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]&#039;s [[Cerebros (G1)|head]], corrupting the giant&#039;s brain and turning him into a mindless, violent zombie. She was eventually discovered and defeated by [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Tunnel Rat]], restoring Maximus to normal. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers Legends&#039;&#039; comic===&lt;br /&gt;
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Transformers Celebration 2014|Transformers Celebration 2014}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Head of Partying, Cheetor|Head of Partying, Cheetor}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#President Mega&#039;s Requests|President Mega&#039;s Requests}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#President Mega&#039;s Studies|President Mega&#039;s Studies}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Christmas|Bonus Chapter: Christmas}} {{storylink|Transformers Legends (comic)#Widow-chan at Work|Widow-chan at Work}} {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
{{spoilers|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|September 19}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Windblade6-blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Be careful, or she&#039;ll split push all of your towers!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia the &amp;quot;Fateweaver&amp;quot; was a Transformer born on the planet [[Eukaris]] from the [[hot spot]] inside the [[Metrotitan (body-type)|Metrotitan]] [[Chela]]. She considered herself to be the prophet of [[Onyx Prime (G1)|Onyx Prime]], even though her psychic powers set her apart from the other citizens of Eukaris. Blackarachnia chose to live the life of a hermit, away from the feuding tribes of her planet. In the past, she had been known to take in other outcasts, under the condition that they dedicated their lives to her.&lt;br /&gt;
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One evening, she was visited by Airazor and Tigatron, who had witnessed a [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|pair of]] [[Devastator (G1)|combiners]] from Cybertron fighting in nearby [[Talon Valley]]. Blackarachnia used her abilities to consult the &amp;quot;Web of Time&amp;quot;, and foresaw the coming of Cybertronians to their planet. &lt;br /&gt;
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Not long afterwards, Blackarachnia was present to greet Starscream and [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as they emerged from the [[space bridge]]. Blackarachnia revealed to Windblade that she had experienced visions of [[Caminus]] prior to their meeting. Windblade used her Camien heritage to try and parley favor from the Eukariens, but the arrival of &amp;quot;standard-formers&amp;quot; reawakened Chela - another part of a prophecy that Blackarachnia had forseen. The two Cybertronians were able to put down the mad Titan; although Windblade was saddened by the loss Blackarachnia consoled her by telling her that the death of Chela was but the first step towards changing Eukaris for the better. &lt;br /&gt;
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Eukaris agreed to join the [[Council of Worlds]]; Blackarachnia decided that Tigatron and Airrazor&#039;s status as outcasts would make them ideal delegates. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transformers&#039;&#039; video game continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transformers&#039;&#039; video game advertising comic====&lt;br /&gt;
Upon arriving on &amp;quot;[[Earth|Planet Energon]],&amp;quot; the dangers of Energon radiation forced the six surviving Predacons and their Maximal adversaries to take on beast alternate forms. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transformers&#039;&#039; video game====&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|??? (English), ??? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia joined her fellow Predacons in battling not only the persistent Maximal resistance, but the interdimensional monsters known as the [[Skriix]].&lt;br /&gt;
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=====Maximal campaign=====&lt;br /&gt;
{{note|In the Maximal campaign, the stasis pod that would contain Blackarachnia is instead rescued by the Maximals, producing [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. It is thus questionable whether or not Blackarachnia even exists in this specific version of the Beast Wars.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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=====Predacon campaign=====&lt;br /&gt;
When Blackarachnia&#039;s stasis pod landed in the &amp;quot;Polluted Area,&amp;quot; it was secured by the Predacons whom she subsequently joined. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Note|Due to the nature of this game, a player may select various individual characters to perform the feats required in every level, and complete the game&#039;s narrative. Thus, any playable Maximal can fill the role of protagonist in Maximal Mode, and any playable Predacon can fill the role of protagonist in Predacon Mode. To view the various feats Blackarachnia can accomplish throughout gameplay in Predacon Mode, it is told on the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; video game]] page, wherein Blackarachnia fills the role of the nameless Predacon.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (N64)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Janet-Laine Green]] (English), ? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:N64Blackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|I&#039;m... sure she has a nice personality... wait, no. No, she doesn&#039;t.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Transmetal Blackarachnia joined her fellow Predacons in distributing various one-on-one beat downs to the Maximals. Eventually, Silverbolt convinced her to defect to the Maximals but she never truly reformed. It was her betrayal at a key moment that eventually assured the Maximals victory in the Beast Wars. Once back on Cybertron, she worked as a double-agent between the Maximal and [[Tripredacus Council]] with no loyalty to either side. She often pondered what would have happened if she had remained on the Predacon team throughout the war. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|Each character possessed an alternate ending, displayed if the Nintendo 64 version of the game was beaten with said character. Each character has only their own ending listed on their pages, see the other characters&#039; pages for Blackarachnia’s fate in those outcomes.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (PS)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Janet-Laine Green]] (English), ? (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers Legends&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
Alongside Waspinator and Terrorsaur, Blackarachnia came upon the crash-site of a large stasis pod marked with a red &amp;quot;X&amp;quot;. Find the Maximal Silverbolt already there, a battle ensued. When the content of the pod was accidentally let loose, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were blown away from the fight by the newly emerged Rampage, and sent flying into a hostile swamp. Finding that they need to rely on one another to survive, Blackarachnia is slowly won over by Silverbolt&#039;s chivalrous attitude, despite them being on opposing side of a war. Eventually returning to where Waspinator, Terrorsaur, and a recently arrived Depth Charge continue to do battle with Rampage, all present manage to defeat Rampage just as Megatron arrives on-site. {{storylink|When Sparks Fly}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Battle Tactics&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BattleTacticsBlackarachnia.jpg|thumb|left|300px|]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of her! {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===Beast Wars===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|Dx1}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniabwtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|When she chokes you she can taste your fear.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 1996/1997)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;D-8&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:Blackarachnia&#039;s original toy is a [[redeco]] of the [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] mold, transforming into a rather generic-looking organic spider. It features a removable spring-loaded launcher hidden in its beast mode abdomen. It nominally fires the &amp;quot;grappling hook&amp;quot; attached to its abdomen by a string, but its front four beast mode legs can also be removed and used as ammunition. Like all first-year &#039;&#039;[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, the robot mode head has both a &amp;quot;robot&amp;quot; face and a [[mutant head|&amp;quot;mutant&amp;quot; face]]; Blackarachnia is always depicted in fiction using the &amp;quot;robot&amp;quot; one (or a rough approximation thereof).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BW-toy BlackarachniaTakara.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|She might have an F-cup...or an E.]]&lt;br /&gt;
:The [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release of the toy has numerous color differences from the [[Hasbro]] version, but they are of dubious merit as far as making her more &amp;quot;show-accurate&amp;quot; go. The bright green of the Hasbro version&#039;s forearms is replaced with dull silver, while the brighter purple is replaced with a darker, more desaturated purple. Her dark copper paint is replaced with a brighter gold. Her robot mode facemask is painted gold, which is closer to the show model... but her face beneath is black with gold eyes (instead of gold with black eyes), and she inexplicably gains a new painted-black forehead crest, where the show model has gold.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was later used to make the [[Tarantulas (BW)|&amp;quot;Beast Wars 10th Anniversary&amp;quot; version of Tarantulas]], and the &#039;&#039;[[#BW10J|Beast Wars Telemocha]]&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia. It was intended to be used to make [[#UnUni|a second &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia]], but that toy set was canceled.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Deluxe BW Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:VS8-TigatronBlackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Battle of the redecos.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Deep Forest Showdown: Tigatron VS Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (VS set, 1997)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;VS-8&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:In Japan, &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot; was available both as an individual and in a &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; pack with [[Tigatron]]. Both toys were identical to their individual releases.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|BWMcD}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniamctm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|She&#039;s got a great personality.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Happy Meal promotion, 1998)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;5&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second [[List of Transformers restaurant promotions|McDonald&#039;s]] &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Happy Meal pack-in, Blackarachnia&#039;s &amp;quot;[[Transmetal]]&amp;quot; form resembles some sort of dust mite more than a spider, though it does have a black widow-esque hour-glass shape on the abdomen. It has a &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; similar transformation to the earlier promotional figure [[Beetle]].&lt;br /&gt;
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:Like the other two Transmetal Happy Meal figures, Blackarachnia has some metallic-sheened plastic intended to resemble the colored chromed finish of the retail &#039;&#039;Transmetals&#039;&#039; toys. &lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s BW Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|TM2}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BW-toy BlackarachniaTM2.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|&#039;Sup, bra.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Transmetal 2, 1999)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;C-48&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Mandible grapnel-line&lt;br /&gt;
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:The Transmetal 2 version of Blackarachnia transforms into a large, organic/mechanical, monstrous spider, featuring a [[Retractable string gimmick|grappling hook]], switching [[Insignia|faction symbols]] activated by [[#TriviaTM2spark|rotating her spark crystal around]], and a spring-loaded spin-kick action feature. She also has a half-assed &amp;quot;defense mode&amp;quot;, bringing the chromed abdomen bits down to cover her chest. Like all larger Transmetal 2s, Blackarachnia has hints of an abandoned &amp;quot;transport&amp;quot; mode, mainly the free-spinning wheels and concealed rockets in the spider mode abdomen.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This toy was initially hard to find at retail, as one of the toy&#039;s features, a piece of removable chest armor (no, really), was altered slightly, delaying later shipments.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was used to make the [[BotCon 2000]] [[exclusive]] [[Arcee (G1)#Toys|Arcee]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Maximal/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beast Machines===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Beast Machines Blackarachnia Toy.JPG|upright=1.66|thumb|In &#039;&#039;Beast Machines,&#039;&#039; Silverbolt doubled his bird and so did she.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2000)&lt;br /&gt;
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:An early toy in the &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]&#039;&#039; line, Blackarachnia transforms into a [[technorganic]] spider. In spider mode, squeezing its pedipalps together raises its central fangs; they were spring-loaded to release and lower, respectively. In keeping with the early &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;articulated features&amp;quot; motif, her robot mode head has a multi-piece articulated brow, which can slide up to reveal two extra sets of eyes, as she does on the cartoon.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold was later redecoed to make the [[#UniDx|&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; version of Blackarachnia]], as well as [[Crystal Widow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Beast Machines Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|BMMcD}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniamcbm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This is transformed correctly, right? Right?]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Happy Meal, 2000)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;McNumber&#039;&#039;: ??&lt;br /&gt;
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:As one of &#039;&#039;ten&#039;&#039; toys in the third Transformers McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal promotion, Blackarachnia is a super-simplified version of her retail toy, with a coloration closer to the [[Mainframe Entertainment|Mainframe]] CG model, though more shockingly pink rather than maroon. This toy is designed for the younger set, with softer plastic and no removable parts.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She is the only [[Beast Era]] character to get two McDonald&#039;s Happy Meal toys.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/McBlackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on McDonald&#039;s BM Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|BWR}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniabeastwarsreturnstoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|What a maroon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2005)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;BR-04&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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: Part of the Japanese Toys &amp;quot;R&amp;quot; Us-[[exclusive]] &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars Returns]]&#039;&#039; series, this toy is a redeco of the original &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia in a more show-like maroon coloration. Reportedly, this toy was limited to 3000 pieces, a full thousand &#039;&#039;less&#039;&#039; than the others in the original assortment. Since she was also the most changed from the US release in the initial batch of toys, this made her considerably harder to get.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Universe (2003)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|UniDx}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniauniversetoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You can pick your faction, and you can pick your girlfriend, but you can&#039;t pick your girlfriend&#039;s faction.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2003)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, Blackarachnia returned as a [[Decepticon]] and as a redeco of [[#BMDx1|the original &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; figure]]. However, her forearms were [[Misassembly|mistakenly swapped]], leaving her forearm &amp;quot;spikes&amp;quot; pointing up towards her biceps rather than down near her elbows. She received a Decepticon [[Insignia|faction symbol]] over her [[spark crystal]] as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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:This mold (with the same swapped-forearms error) was used to make [[Crystal Widow]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Decepticon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Universe Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{anchor|UnUni}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachnia unreleased.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Eyow.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Leatherhide Vs. Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Halloween Horrorcon value pack, unreleased)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:In 2004, a group of test-shots made their way onto eBay, among them a [[redeco]] of the original &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Tarantulas/Blackarachnia mold in black with silver spider-legs and salmon-colored robot parts. Later, Hasbro&#039;s official website checklist featured listings for two &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;Halloween [[Horrorcon (Universe)|Horrorcon]] Value Packs&amp;quot; that were to be Wal-Mart [[exclusive]]s... which also likely explains why they were canceled. (Wal*Mart had taken a good half-dozen exclusives and released them more-or-less simultaneously, leading to a huge glut. A lot of other &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; exclusives were canceled during the &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; era.) One of the sets was &amp;quot;[[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]] Vs. Blackarachnia&amp;quot;... and thus, the mystery spider was confirmed, as the other test-shots in that group lined up with the name listings given in the sets.&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://s33.photobucket.com/user/binalternator/library/unreleased/halloween_horrorcons?sort=4&amp;amp;page=1 Gallery of Halloween Horrorcon test-shots]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Beast Wars Telemocha Series===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniatelemocha.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It almost works!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2007)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TM-06&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Launcher, 4 leg-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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:As part of the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha]]&#039;&#039; line, the [[#Dx1|original Blackarachnia toy]] was &#039;&#039;extensively&#039;&#039; redecoed with a ridiculous number of gold [[paint operation]]s, making her closer to [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] in coloration than the other versions of the mold, but still not quite there. (Her shoulders are silver in the show.) All of the [[gimmick]]s of the original toy were retained, though her alternate head didn&#039;t receive any paint that wasn&#039;t intended to make her nominal head look more show-accurate.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She came with a DVD containing &amp;quot;The Assassin Virus&amp;quot;, the Japanese dubbing of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; episode 10, &amp;quot;[[Gorilla Warfare]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Destron/BlackWidow/blackwidow.htm More information on Telemocha Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Binaltech===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackwidowwildrider.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Honda wouldn&#039;t appreciate their car being hot, poisonous, and deadly.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (Binaltech, unreleased)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;BT16&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Engine-rifle, roof-shield&lt;br /&gt;
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:In 2005, the sculpt used for &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]&#039;&#039; [[Decepticharge]] was presented as an upcoming release for the Japanese &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; line. Takara decided to give the toy an entirely new deco, as the Hasbro toy&#039;s deco didn&#039;t appeal to their ideal of &amp;quot;real-life accuracy&amp;quot;. In robot mode, the toy was given a color scheme based on Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia, with the toy&#039;s name being changed to &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot;, Takara&#039;s name for the character. Though a [[bio]] and story chapter were written to accommodate it into the &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; fiction, and photoshopped images released through an online retailer revealed the intended color scheme, Takara ultimately decided to cancel the toy altogether, as they were fearing that another redeco (in addition to the then upcoming &#039;&#039;Binaltech Asterisk&#039;&#039; toys) would be too repetitive. Plans to release this toy as part of a different line were never picked up again. A prototype of Blackwidow was later featured in an exhibit at Transformers Expo in 2014.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo1&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-masterpiece-star-saber-in-color-and-more-180923/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics - Masterpiece Star Saber In Color and More!&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-part-2-g1-prototypes-movie-props-and-more-masterpiece-180925/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics Part 2 - G1 Prototypes, Movie Props, and More Masterpiece!&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tfexpo3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/tf-expo-pics-part-4-prototypes-and-figure-displays-from-diaclone-g1-g2-beast-wars-180933/ &amp;quot;TF Expo Pics Part 4 - Prototypes and Figure Displays from Diaclone, G1, G2, Beast Wars&amp;quot;] at TFW2005.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:This sculpt was ultimately released in Japan as part of an unexpected &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; continuation, this time as [[Arcee (G1)#Binaltech|Arcee]]. The original version of the mold was used to make &#039;&#039;Alternators&#039;&#039; [[Windcharger (G1)#Alternators|Windcharger]] and &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; [[Overdrive#Binaltech|Overdrive]]. It was also planned to become a new toy of the [[Paradron Medic (G1)#Binaltech|Paradron Medic]], but that also got canceled.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Animated===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Blackarachniaanimateddeluxe.jpg|right|300px|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Japanese ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TA-09&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Grapnel-hook&lt;br /&gt;
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{{note|&#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as Blackarachnia in &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers: Windblade]]&#039;&#039;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
:Blackarachnia transforms into a mechanical spider with some organic aesthetic. Many of her pointier parts are [[For safety reasons|molded in softer plastic]] to keep unfortunate children from putting their eyes out. She comes with a &amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;plainlinks&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/grapnel grapnel]&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt; [[Retractable string gimmick|hook accessory]]. This is spring-loaded, with a jointed claw at the end of it. Pressing a button causes it to retract along the string. It may be mounted under her abdomen in spider mode or on her back in robot mode, via two different sets of pegs. There is also a peg hole in each wrist, for [[Spider-Man|web-slinging]] action.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The spider&#039;s head is mis-transformed in the package, making the first step of her instructions initially confusing. Furthermore, the pedipalps will easily come off if manipulated too much, and her transformation requires that they be turned around completely. Because of this, they will often fall off over, and over, and &#039;&#039;over&#039;&#039;...&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Legends===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[October 24|10–24]]–[[2015]])&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;LG17&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]&#039;&#039; Blackwidow is a retool of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)#Animated|Blackarachnia]]. The tooling changes appear to be a new head, a new chest/spider eye cluster, and new, larger pedlipalps that form her breastplate in robot mode...albeit made of tranlucent plastic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Because her pedlipalps are no longer filling in her stomach area, she now has a tiny, &#039;&#039;tiny&#039;&#039; waist.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{comingsoontoy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Blackarachniamutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game&#039;&#039;&#039; (1997)&lt;br /&gt;
:Blackarachnia was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===Robot Heroes===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Robotheroescheetorblackarachnia.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Cute and poisonous.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Cheetor vs. Blackarachnia&#039;&#039;&#039; (2-pack, 2008)&lt;br /&gt;
:Part of the first wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]&#039;&#039;-branded [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]], Blackarachnia is a simple, yet well-detailed two-inch tall figurine with exaggerated, cartoony proportions. She was only available in a two-pack with [[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Predacon/Blackarachnia/blackarachnia.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Robot Heroes&#039;&#039; Blackarachnia at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BWBlackarachniaCardArt.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Dirty girls, make some noise. Move that ass for dirty boys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia&#039;s original Beast Wars card art has her wearing a spike-studded collar... while her chest seems to be leopard-spotted. Kinky.&lt;br /&gt;
*Reportedly, Blackarachnia&#039;s show model was created after some Mainframe folks had taken the design modeler to a strip club only a few days prior for, um... &#039;&#039;inspiration&#039;&#039;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/593687e427efddad Why Blackarachnia Looks Asian] on [[alt.toys.transformers]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Like her fellow spider [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], her original [[beast mode]] is depicted with &#039;&#039;nine&#039;&#039; eyes rather than eight.&lt;br /&gt;
* An [[Bitch Wars|unproduced &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; episode concept]] would have seen Airazor and Blackarachnia join forces as a &amp;quot;third faction&amp;quot; for a bit. It went unproduced as the writers couldn&#039;t see where to go with the idea.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Japanese dub of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia&#039;s character underwent a few noteworthy changes. Firstly, she had a voice that can only be described as &amp;quot;bipolar&amp;quot;. She would switch between her usual sultry, flirtatious voice to a screaming blood-thirsty maniac at the drop of a hat. Another notable change is that she was made more vain and bratty, occasionally being prone to whining, crying and begging for mercy from her enemies (things she never did in the English version). Her unique verbal tic was a habit of making a hissing &#039;&#039;tssshaaaa&#039;&#039; noise, a trait actress [[Ryōka Yuzuki]] would pass on to &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]] and &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]&#039;&#039; [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]].&lt;br /&gt;
*The [[:File:Blackarachniahappymeal.jpg|artwork]] advertising the Transmetal Blackarachnia toy on Happy Meal Bags was rendered with the toy transformed incorrectly. Her beast mode head isn&#039;t flipped down, leaving her organic-looking robot mode chest exposed.&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|TriviaTM2spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Even though Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia&#039;s toy has a unique faction-switching [[spark crystal]], the feature doesn&#039;t make sense in a fictional context. By that point in the &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; television series, the Transmetal Driver had destroyed her Predacon [[shell program]], making her fully Maximal. (Though, to be fair, it &#039;&#039;had&#039;&#039; happened mere moments previously.)&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia exhibited what appears to be telekinesis not long after gaining her Transmetal 2 form, levitating a steel girder to stop Rampage in &amp;quot;[[Master Blaster]]&amp;quot;. The ability only appeared once and was never explained, though it resembles the other strange, almost supernatural powers wielded by Transmetals 2 in the cartoon. Following her reformatting in &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia no longer possessed this ability.&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia&#039;s Transmetal 2 [[character model|animation model]] is noticeably tweaked from the toy design, with her extremely large shoulder-pads and back rockets all being significantly reduced to a very discreet size. Although arguably more [[Show-accuracy|toy-accurate]] than the CG model of her original body, this level of alteration was uncommon in [[To sell toys|new characters/upgraded bodies]] introduced from Season 2 onwards, as their animation models were more closely based on their respective toys (at least in appearance, if not always in capabilities.)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;Animators&#039; Interview&amp;quot; from [[Madman Entertainment]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; Season 3 DVDs.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sourcebook1Blackarachnia.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Woke up in Vegas next to [[BB#Notes|BB]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|TriviaBinaltech}}&lt;br /&gt;
*Character and fiction information for the cancelled BT-16 &amp;quot;Blackwidow&amp;quot; toy finally emerged in late 2007 with the release of &#039;&#039;The Transformers Binaltech Stories: Profiles and Technical Specifications&#039;&#039;, an unofficial publication by &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; story writer [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] that compiled all then-current &#039;&#039;Binaltech&#039;&#039; information as well as that of the unreleased Blackarachnia and [[Ginrai]] toys. [[Ask Vector Prime]] would canonize her bio almost a decade later.&lt;br /&gt;
*Blackarachnia is (strangely) depicted solely using a golden orange version of her Transmetal II body in her IDW &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook]]&#039;&#039; profile entry. She received properly colored coverage of all her modes in the trade paperback version.&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Nintendo 64 version of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Transmetals&#039;&#039;, Blackarachnia was a stretched [[palette swap|palette-swap]] of [[Tarantulas (BW)|Transmetal Tarantulas]]. The PlayStation version does not stretch out Tarantulas, instead remeshing the model to resemble her Transmetal 2 form.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Blackwidow&#039;&#039;&#039; (ブラックウィドー &#039;&#039;Burakkuwidō&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Cantonese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Alaina&#039;&#039;&#039; (雅麗娜 &#039;&#039;Aa Lai Naa&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;French:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Mygale&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada toy), &#039;&#039;&#039;La Veuve Noire&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada cartoon, &amp;quot;The Black Widow&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;ref name=TM2BA&amp;gt;Whether Transmetal II Blackarachnia had different French and Spanish names is uncertain at this point.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;German:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;Schwarze Arachnia&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; cartoon)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Italian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Arachnia&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Latvian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zirneklene&#039;&#039;&#039; (derived from &#039;&#039;zirneklis&#039;&#039;, meaning &amp;quot;spider&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Mandarin:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zhīzhū&#039;&#039;&#039; (蜘蛛, &amp;quot;Spider&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Dú Zhīzhū&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, 毒蜘蛛, &amp;quot;Venomous Spider&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Polish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Arachna&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Portuguese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Aracniana&#039;&#039;&#039; (Portugual), &#039;&#039;&#039;Viúva Negra&#039;&#039;&#039; (Brazil &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;Black Widow&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Russian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Chornaya Vdova&#039;&#039;&#039; (Чёрная Вдова, &amp;quot;Black Widow&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Spanish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Araña Negra&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Black Spider&amp;quot;)&amp;lt;ref name=TM2BA/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Alpha Trion&#039;s acolytes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Alternators Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Machines Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Predacons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Eukaris]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fast food exclusives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Female Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legends franchise]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Minions of Unicron]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Regeneration One Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Saboteurs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Transmetals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Transmetals 2]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:TransTech Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Turncoats]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Decepticons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wings Universe Maximals]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>User:Squigsquasher</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Squigsquasher: Created page with &amp;quot;I like Seacons.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Talk:Ruined FOREVER</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Squigsquasher: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Regarding deletion==&lt;br /&gt;
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::JaAm has a page.  &#039;Ruined Forever&#039; is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is.  Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]].  (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...)  My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- &amp;quot;huh, why dont&#039; we have a page for that?&amp;quot;  (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murphy|Don Murray]] out of my brain.) &lt;br /&gt;
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide.  If a majority think it&#039;s not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I say it&#039;s as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}&lt;br /&gt;
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber.  It&#039;s not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he&#039;s also got to sign my posts for me.  Damn that Derik.  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN.  --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I vote for keeping the page.  As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I don&#039;t see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don&#039;t like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like &#039;&#039;Ruined FOREVER&#039;&#039;, [[Furmanism]], and Chewed caramels be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005&#039;s &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of &#039;dull surprise&#039; until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Nor I.  But I don&#039;t think we&#039;re just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are &#039;about&#039; a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it.  Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave&#039;s style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels &#039;&#039;seems&#039;&#039; to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1&#039;s design aesthetic.  I doubt anyone put &#039;&#039;conscious thought&#039;&#039; into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren&#039;t &#039;&#039;just&#039;&#039; about the phrase- they&#039;re about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.&lt;br /&gt;
::(I&#039;m not familiar with &#039;HE TELL ME&#039; and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that.  I also don&#039;t know &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot; but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that.  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP]. &lt;br /&gt;
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::::Actually, Steve-o, I&#039;d say &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one.  Having never heard of &amp;quot;HE TELL ME&amp;quot;, and seeing that few others apparently have either, I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s as much a meme as &amp;quot;Secret Inside Sources&amp;quot; is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime&#039;s minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed.  The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&amp;amp;st=20&amp;amp;p=551756&amp;amp;#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually.  Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex&lt;br /&gt;
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Usage==&lt;br /&gt;
Has &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I&#039;m not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I&#039;m sure something very similar, at least, has been used.  But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what&#039;s the problem?  Can you recommend a better title for the article?  Or are you saying the article shouldn&#039;t exist at all?  --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::: I (and a number of others) used to think &amp;quot;Rapeing my childood&amp;quot; was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It&#039;s still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The &#039;&#039;&#039;scream your head off in outraged panic&#039;&#039;&#039; / &#039;&#039;&#039;call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the &amp;quot;sky is falling&amp;quot; aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer &#039;&#039;number&#039;&#039; of times fans have declared TF ruined forever.  (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)&lt;br /&gt;
:If you have some other title you&#039;d prefer for this article like &#039;Clicken-Little Syndrome&#039; by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.&lt;br /&gt;
:And frankly, while the &#039;&#039;behavior&#039;&#039; itself is worthy of ridicule, the &#039;&#039;reason&#039;&#039; for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda &#039;&#039;endearing&#039;&#039; and speaks well of fans.  At least their &#039;&#039;hearts&#039;&#039; are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Paul Dini==&lt;br /&gt;
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I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini &#039;&#039;the writer&#039;&#039; being used for Animated will &amp;quot;RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER&amp;quot; is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I&#039;ve never seen any individual display the idiocy we&#039;re accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Scary, scary stuff.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a &amp;quot;general hasbro idiocy&amp;quot; linking to &amp;quot;transformers&amp;quot; or somesuch?&lt;br /&gt;
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This is getting out of hand.&lt;br /&gt;
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This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now.  As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article.  While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor &amp;quot;friend&amp;quot; decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer.  This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive &#039;&#039;or&#039;&#039; negative about Transformers itself at all.  Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.&lt;br /&gt;
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By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar.  Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree. I didn&#039;t feel this article was necessary, and I still don&#039;t. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn&#039;t belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister &amp;quot;integrity of the characters&amp;quot; is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m putting in a vote for keeping it. It&#039;s a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it&#039;s wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think it should stay, it&#039;s funny.  Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.&lt;br /&gt;
::::::I would keep it.  I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown.  [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude.  I&#039;ve fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors.  If you&#039;re gonna get in a pissy editing war, we&#039;d damn well better know who you are.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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This &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; article is stupid and don&#039;t make any sense. Its just shit&lt;br /&gt;
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: [[Seafood Louis]].  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike &#039;ruined it permanently&#039; so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, &#039;ok, well maybe I&#039;m over-reacting.&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
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I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}&lt;br /&gt;
: Well said, citizen.  [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Well, you&#039;ve cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate.  And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]&lt;br /&gt;
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I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom&#039;s reactionary past.&lt;br /&gt;
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Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It&#039;s inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn&#039;t that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.&lt;br /&gt;
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(and that aside, I just think it&#039;s really, really funny)&lt;br /&gt;
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.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That&#039;s me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Where do we draw the line?==&lt;br /&gt;
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever?  Why, for instance, is &#039;&#039;The Beast Within&#039;&#039; in there?  Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least &#039;&#039;better&#039;&#039; than We&#039;ve, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to &#039;&#039;twice&#039;&#039; that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;ve sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.  &lt;br /&gt;
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the &#039;&#039;very&#039;&#039; least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they&#039;re canon.  Also, it was the reason for the article&#039;s creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Why wait?  If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to &amp;quot;Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay,&amp;quot; and perhaps a few others, right now.  Then a &amp;quot;Trivia&amp;quot; note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever.  Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I&#039;ve seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Also, Thy, I&#039;d append your list with a general &amp;quot;*-masters&amp;quot; thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course.  [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;ll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever&#039;s listed here should have a certain &amp;quot;endurance&amp;quot; as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? &amp;quot;* Masters&amp;quot; certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&amp;amp;start=10&amp;amp;sa=N&amp;amp;scoring=d&amp;amp;ie=utf-8&amp;amp;oe=utf-8&amp;amp;|&amp;quot;killed transformers&amp;quot;] ain&#039;t enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I doubt I&#039;d get objections if I added it, but I&#039;d like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it&#039;s &#039;&#039;&#039;such a dramatic departure.&#039;&#039;&#039; Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering &amp;quot;My god... they&#039;ve finally done it. It&#039;s ruined...&amp;quot; --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]&lt;br /&gt;
:You&#039;re missing the point of the article, then.  The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it&#039;s usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Last Deletion Locked in?==&lt;br /&gt;
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked.  Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:There are two facets to this.  First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow.  Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back.  Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.&lt;br /&gt;
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot; concept.  &amp;quot;Runined forever&amp;quot; is a cry that springs up whenever &#039;&#039;something new is added to the Transformers brand&#039;&#039; by HasTak, and it happens every single time.  Thus, the fans &#039;&#039;can&#039;t&#039;&#039; ruin TF forver, because they don&#039;t add new canon.  And, while HasTak &#039;&#039;can&#039;&#039; ruin TF forever, it&#039;s because they&#039;re the only ones who can do so.  I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant.  [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::Fair enough, I suppose.  It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor.  Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible.  [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Masters of the Universe link==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line&#039;s failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel&#039;s &#039;&#039;&amp;quot;excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach&amp;quot;&#039;&#039; as the reason for the line&#039;s failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article.  (Hint: It wasn&#039;t kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn&#039;t reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more &amp;quot;realisticly&amp;quot;. In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of &#039;80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with &#039;&#039;&#039;actual kids&#039;&#039;&#039; in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line&#039;s failure on the older fan mentality.&lt;br /&gt;
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::&#039;&#039;&#039;Also Fact:&#039;&#039;&#039; Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn&#039;t get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line&#039;s failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of &amp;quot;samori repaints on stilts&amp;quot; is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line&#039;s retail appeal. &lt;br /&gt;
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::Personally I think there&#039;s some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, &#039;&#039;&#039;AND&#039;&#039;&#039; the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to &#039;blame&#039;, and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it&#039;s not a clear cut case of &#039;it&#039;s all the collectors fault&#039;. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Hrm, there&#039;s some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison.  (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou&#039;re not bringing new fans in.)&lt;br /&gt;
::::For what it&#039;s worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren&#039;t watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Here&#039;s an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it&#039;s more balanced, so we don&#039;t end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it&#039;s worth noting that even in today&#039;s environment, the military has &#039;&#039;some&#039;&#039; pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it&#039;s very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the &amp;quot;big&amp;quot; Joe revival frankly isn&#039;t very big. It&#039;s pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yeah, I&#039;d also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro&#039;s bookkeeping. They&#039;ve done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they&#039;re doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;Talk&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn&#039;t available here, because Hasbro AU&#039;s last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I&#039;ve read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They&#039;re not on pegs anymore, so I guess they&#039;ve been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:It&#039;s always going to, because there will always, &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman &amp;quot;CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!&amp;quot; (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can&#039;t sell your &#039;&#039;two primary characters in the line&#039;&#039;, maybe there&#039;s something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it&#039;d be like if a Batman line couldn&#039;t sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU&#039;s failure. Frankly, I&#039;d say just add a note to OUR article saying &amp;quot;ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn&#039;t want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini.&amp;quot; --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line &amp;quot;catered exclusively to older collectors&amp;quot; and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I&#039;d say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-&#039;&#039;&#039;Edit:&#039;&#039;&#039; On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::And this is my point - we&#039;ll start looking like idiots who can&#039;t even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I see Zac&#039;s point- but I think he&#039;s reacting to something that&#039;s not in the article.  We&#039;re holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention.  Since there &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.  &lt;br /&gt;
:::We do not say that this is &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; the line failed.  It probably &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039;, but we don&#039;t say that.  We merely hold it up as an apporach that&#039;s probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.&lt;br /&gt;
:::So to be really blunt-- I don&#039;t care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was.  &#039;&#039;&#039;A)&#039;&#039;&#039; That&#039;s masturbatory.  &#039;&#039;&#039;B)&#039;&#039;&#039; It&#039;s not what this article is talking about, so it&#039;s simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But it says &#039;cater exclusively to the old-school collectors&#039;, which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it&#039;s not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::In this context, that &#039;catering&#039; refers to design, not case assortments.  We&#039;re discussing &#039;&#039;reinvention&#039;&#039;.  One does not &#039;reinvent&#039; case assortments!  And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039; cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::More to the point- we&#039;re discussing changign the content on &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something &#039;&#039;we&#039;re not even saying here&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this.  But we&#039;re not!  We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article &#039;&#039;doesn&#039;t&#039;&#039; say, but which &#039;might run through that same fanboy&#039;s mind as they read our article.&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:::::While &#039;&#039;&#039;I&#039;&#039;&#039; clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best &#039;&#039;&#039;it doesn&#039;t matter&#039;&#039;&#039;.  We say it catered to collectors.  That&#039;s it!  &#039;&#039;&#039;It&#039;s just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.&#039;&#039;&#039; -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Why? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Why is The [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] series, the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]], and [[Exclusive]]s listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It&#039;s satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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The full version: Contrary to what [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER many people think], this is not a list of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER everything Transformers ever].  It is not even a list of everything Transformers that fans have ever complained about.  It is a list of the relative handful of times that something ground-shaking and new has come along, something totally different from what&#039;s gone before, something that&#039;s not exactly like 1984, that causes people to complain that Transformers has irrevocably jumped the shark and begun sinking into an irreversible oblivion.  All this doomsaying is then typically followed by the franchise surging back to life as the awful horrible new thing turns out to be a smashing success.  Alternately, the horrible new thing quietly fades away while the franchise chugs along to the next new thing.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thing is, anybody who&#039;s stuck with Transformers to this point is used to these reinventions.  Perspective has grown long enough that plenty of fans now understand that anything they don&#039;t like will be gone in a year or two.  Maybe I&#039;m biased &#039;cause I only read the Allspark boards and they&#039;re fairly intelligent, but cries of RUINED FOREVER are increasingly rare these days. &lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why Drift is on the list.  Plenty of people think he sucks, but nobody&#039;s claiming he&#039;s going to bring down the whole franchise.  &#039;&#039;All Hail Megatron&#039;&#039; would be a better candidate, because people (including myself!) &#039;&#039;are&#039;&#039; claiming that IDW&#039;s whole storyline has been permanently destroyed by it.  (You could also make a case for &#039;&#039;Energon&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;bad anime&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;Prime Directive&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;MATURE ADULT XXX&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Buckets of Blood&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Pat Lee&amp;quot;), and/or Dreamwave (&amp;quot;The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Superstars&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Bankruptcy&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&#039;t see why stolen prototypes are on the list.  Yeah, some of us make a fuss over them.  Y&#039;know why?  Because HASBRO THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY ARE A THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS.  There&#039;s no ridiculously overblown grasping-at-straws fandom absurdity to mock here.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I&#039;d need to see a LOT of linked posts before I&#039;d accept ROTF on the list.  I can&#039;t fathom someone having complaints about ROTF that didn&#039;t also apply to the first movie. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:10, 25 June 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:There are new complaints about ROTF - about [[Mudflap (ROTF)|these]] [[Skids (ROTF)|two]].--[[Special:Contributions/172.162.17.159|172.162.17.159]] 08:34, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I agree with Repowers 100%.  If anything, I think the list could use some trimming.  Are people complaining about the Twins? Sure! Is ANYONE saying that Transformers, as a franchise, is over/tainted? Umm ... not that I&#039;ve heard.  Certainly no substantial block of the fandom.  &lt;br /&gt;
::And stolen prototypes, while I DO think people make a somewhat biggish deal about them, don&#039;t really belong on the list either.  A: as Repowers points out, Hasbro itself has legitimized the concern.  B: people getting annoyed about something is NOT the same as saying that the Transformers brand is beyond recovery.  Hell, even AHM seems like a stretch.  I think that most of the fandom has gained enough hindsight to know that, at worst, AHM represents a change in direction for *IDW&#039;S* story, but certainly not the end of Transformers as we know it.  Hell, ROTF and Animated were contemporary, and both were tremendous successes.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not sure we we can&#039;t have Energon on this list, seeing all the complaints on this very wiki, but, eh.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 08:00, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I disagree. I&#039;ve read on here that people LIKED it at first, but eventually lost faith/the will to live after watching it. The list chronicles the events which work the OTHER way around. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 09:07, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I&#039;d say the list has nothing to do with how good something is, but more with complaints from the fandom and especially even before the thing in question has been released. Having said that, does RiD really warrant a place on the list? Was there really that much of a commotion about it? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m surprised &amp;quot;G1 Bayformers&amp;quot;, aka Don Figueroa&#039;s new drawing style isn&#039;t on this list, given that almost every single opinion on it I found was a flame.....--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::I loath it to the core of my petty, petty being... but i don&#039;t see it as something that will kill or taint the franchise.  Kiss-Player is still squicking people &#039;&#039;years&#039;&#039; later... the fact the Japanese owners basically licensed TF loli guro porn is something that genuinely shocks people and lessens their opinion of TF as a whole-- especially since it&#039;s not one of those &#039;worse than it sounds&#039; things, the closer you look, the more disturbing it actually gets.  An unpleasant art style inflicted on the comparatively small comic-book audience... just isn&#039;t in the same ballpark.&lt;br /&gt;
::::I think it&#039;s harmed &#039;&#039;IDW&#039;&#039;&#039;s Transformers brand equity... people seem a lot more skeptical and a lot more negative of editorially-generated jerking around of the TF brand, because they&#039;ve now repeatedly dumped directions they committed to in order to chase imaginary gains that never materialized-- apparently heedless of the negative baggage piled on the story in the process.  (One more major reset in pursuit of some sort of magical deckchair configuration the editors are convinced is more important than telling good stories... and I might as well be reading DC!)  But not the brand overall.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Not to get all chat roomy here, but... what he said.  Oh dear lord, WHAT HE SAID. (Derik, have you posted that sentiment to IDW&#039;s boards?) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How about that B.O.T episode==&lt;br /&gt;
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To many fans, it&#039;s considered to be the worst G1 episode ever, so I think it should be placed here. [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 17:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Yea, but this isn&#039;t a list of what people just call &amp;quot;bad&amp;quot; - it&#039;s a list of the things that threw the fandom into a colossal uproar and actually caused people to say Transformers was ruined forever, more for the fact that they were drastically or outlandishly new and different than for their actually being of poor quality. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Drift==&lt;br /&gt;
Shouldn&#039;t we add [[Drift (G1)| this Mary Sue]] to Runied FOREVER? {{unsigned|24.62.9.241}}&lt;br /&gt;
:No. He hasn&#039;t ruined anything forever. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:55, 17 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Maybe you should read the page above before you add to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:02, 18 August 2010 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A quick question (not about adding additional items)...==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else think that a funnier name for &#039;&#039;Prime&#039;&#039; would be Bayformers Teen Titans? I ask because we&#039;ve got Bayformers and Teen Titans on the list, and Bayformers Animated kind of throws off the flow. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:To me at least, &amp;quot;Bayformers Animated&amp;quot; flows much better than &amp;quot;Bayformers Teen Titans&amp;quot;. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:04, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::A fair point. I meant it more in the manner of fitting with what else was in the article. Not a big deal either way, I suppose. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:12, 16 December 2010 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Parodies of this page in other media ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Just in case you didn&#039;t noticed it, this page has been parodied several times and in different media:&lt;br /&gt;
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* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER (As noted, this wiki is the trope namer for &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224448/ruined-forever.aspx&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.helloweenboard.com/topic/4063-seven-sinner-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__336072&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47999&amp;amp;page=1&lt;br /&gt;
* http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
* http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warmachine/163237-blight-spreading-nites-cryx-blog.html#post1416664&lt;br /&gt;
* http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Ruined_FOREVER&lt;br /&gt;
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:I love how the Wookiepedia people completely missed the point. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::...their version seems basically the same sarcastic treatment as ours.  Are you reading a different page?  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::They seemed a lot more concerned with insignificant detail than this wiki is. However, in retrospect, &amp;quot;completely missed the point&amp;quot; was a bit strong on my part. Maybe the Star Wars fandom is more temperamental than we are?  [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:49, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;MAYBE&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;, he says! :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:54, 18 May 2011 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Not really parodies, more just... versions. [[User:Esser-Z|Esser-Z]] 11:40, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:54, 29 December 2011 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Literal for once ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Pat Lee. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:31, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Transformers survived him, so not really literally, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 16 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:: The franchise as a whole, but not Dreamwave. Or his reputation. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:17, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::: Not the point of the page. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:20, 17 April 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobots who didn&#039;t turn into cars ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/615489-what-characters-killed-g1.html Transformers was ruined FOREVER in 1985!] Seriously.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:TFW2005 ruined Transformers forever.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:07, 17 June 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dark of the Moon ==&lt;br /&gt;
*The first and second movies by Michael bay are on the list, but why not the third. Lots of people complained about the third one. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 07:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Getting on this page takes more than simple complaints. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rescue Bots ==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose adding rescue bots to this list, only listed as rescue heroes, or Eureka. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 20:26, 26 September 2012 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:...but it&#039;s universally beloved.  Surely no Transformers fan could hate &#039;&#039;fun&#039;&#039;?! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:51, 12 December 2012 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::While I agree that in moderation fun is enjoyable, its creation did cause the standard &amp;quot;Ruined FOREVER&amp;quot; response that would deem it necessary to add to the page in the best interests of keeping an accurate database. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 18:29, 30 June 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::...Which died down about a week later, with only the few stubborn mules of the fandom remaining intolerant of it. This list contains things that have had lasting backlash that ran deep. Rescue Bots never got such deep-filled hatred as the things covered by this list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:09, 1 July 2013 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Windblade ==&lt;br /&gt;
Given the kerfuffle a certain segment of the fanbase made over Windblade, ahould she and/or her series be added to this list?  And if so, as what? [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 22:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:This is just me, but I&#039;d say we wait a bit more and see how her series  and its portrayal of her character are received first. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::You know this fandom better than I do... I&#039;m not always active in forums or anything... so I&#039;ll defer to your judgement.  But from what I heard, the drama got really stupid at some points.  [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 21:45, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::The loudmouths are a minority at this point, people are being really vocal about how much they&#039;re enjoying the book. People are being mixed about whether they like the writing or the art more, but in general I&#039;m seeing a favorable response to the art and an appreciation for its snappy writing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 22:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::IMO the drama was less to do with Windblade and more about the &amp;quot;brief conflict&amp;quot; between Scott and Furman referenced on &#039;&#039;Spotlight: Arcee&#039;&#039;&#039;s page - the worst criticism of Windblade I&#039;ve seen is that she&#039;s kinda dull so far (and that was from me). I remember Drift raising far more ire when he was introduced and Drift isn&#039;t listed here. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 02:58, 23 April 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::That&#039;s because IDW shilled Drift as &amp;quot;super cool&amp;quot; and that he&#039;d be &amp;quot;their Wolverine&amp;quot;. Windblade, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t shilled as a super cool &amp;quot;Wolverine&amp;quot;, which is probably why she&#039;s been received better than Drift was.[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Japanese-exclusive G1/Modern-era Cartoons ==&lt;br /&gt;
I was wondering: is anyone willing to add The Headmasters and/or Transformers Go! in it? ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 00:33, 28th May 2014 (MYT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Given that they&#039;ve never been accused of Ruining Transformers Forever in any way... no. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:12, 27 May 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;m under the impression that most of the things that were never translated and made widely agailable to the Enlish-speaking fandom just didn&#039;t make much of an impression on them beyond &amp;quot;Hey, that guy looks cool/lame&amp;quot; (&amp;quot;Kiss Players&amp;quot; and the controversy it stirred up probably being the big exception), and that &amp;quot;Go!&amp;quot; in particular is not so much reviled as it is simply not noticed. And as I don&#039;t speak Japanese, I couldn&#039;t begin to speculate upon how something like &amp;quot;Beast Wars Neo&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;15 Go! Go!&amp;quot; was recieved in its native land.--[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 19:33, 5 July 2014 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Masterpiece Star Saber&#039;s English-language bio for the Australian release ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Wow, the nerdrage over a little bonus addition for a limited run official import of a Japanese toy that references established IDW fiction is &#039;&#039;amazing&#039;&#039;. If that bio doesn&#039;t ruin Transformers FOREVER, nothing can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 18:11, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:As always, my instinct in a situation like this is to wait for at least 3-4 months to see if there is widespread and sustained griping. Many people want to find a way to include, well, virtually everything on this page, and most TF franchises just don&#039;t get that level of sustained vitriol to warrant inclusion.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:20, 4 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think we even need to be that conservative. Nobody is going to claim that one regional release of one toy has &#039;&#039;ruined the entire Transformers franchise&#039;&#039;. There&#039;s no new innovation or franchise re-invention going on here. It&#039;s just one bio on one toy and some people raging for a day or two.&lt;br /&gt;
::As I&#039;ve said before, RUINED FOREVER is not just &amp;quot;BUHR ME FAN HATE THING&amp;quot;. It&#039;s &amp;quot;This new and different thing means that Transformers cannot and will not ever be good again&amp;quot; (add &amp;quot;because new things are bad&amp;quot; as needed), followed by Transformers surviving, thriving, and continuing to be good. In this age of live action movies, there&#039;s not much left that can shake the franchise to its core like that. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== DOTM Soundwave and Wheeljack cancelled in USA ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is that ruined forever? Many fans compalined about them cancelled and how they got too many Bumblebees.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 06:43, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:No, that is not &amp;quot;ruined forever&amp;quot;. Ruined Forever is large scale complaining about things that have supposedly irredeemably damaged the brand. And the complaining has to continue for a long period of time. Fans were upset about this, but it didn&#039;t drag on for years and years. Or even months and months. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:52, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Autobot Megatron ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Alot of fans were really upset with Megatron joining the autobots...That can be considered as a `RUINED FOREVER&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:This doesn&#039;t sound like something that happened.  --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 18:13, 10 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Megatron never joined the Autobots ([[Megatron (SG)|though there is a mirrorverse Megatron of course]]) but we don&#039;t talk about fanfics, only official fiction.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:34, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Go read the IDW comics, it happened. Or wait for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Leader|this toy]]. But again, this is nowhere near the level of complaining that is necessary for Ruined Forever. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 12 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::::But what&#039;s wrong if Megatron is an Autobot? It&#039;s supposed to be nice because that means there are no Decepticons and no war.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 03:45, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Which would pretty much END the fiction. No conflict, no drama, no story.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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In the allinged continuity, he becomes an Autobot in the Beast Hunters Predicons Rising movie. [[User:Markatron|Markatron]] ([[User talk:Markatron|talk]]) 23:09, 1 August 2015 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Radical Feminist SJWs&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
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Can we remove this entry from the list? It just seems like pointless flamebait to me- not to mention that in my experience, practically nobody believes that female Transformers &amp;quot;ruined&amp;quot; the brand. I mean, you have some people (including the mighty Simon Furman himself) who find the idea of gender in a race of robots kinda silly because, well, they&#039;re robots- an opinion I personally disagree with but still understand- but in all my time as a Transformers fan I&#039;ve never seen ANYONE having the sort of knee-jerk reaction to the existance of female Transformers that this entry is implying, even on the 4chan Transformers threads.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus, quite aside from anything else, it&#039;s an open invitation for LOLDRAMA and not even that funny.[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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