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2013-09-18T20:26:08Z

Starfield: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */

== Strika ==

There seems to be some vehemence about Strika's status (or not) as a female.

While I agree that there is no 'definitive' evidence that Strika is female, neither is there 'definitive' evidence that most TFs are male, yet we have no difficulty accepting that fact. To dismiss the (in my view) quite reasonable assumption that Strika is female as 'fan-conjecture' ignores a number of common-sense factors:

* The fact that in the cartoon she was voiced by female voice actor - there is no instance I can recall of a female TF character being voiced by a male actor or vice versa.

* That she is referred to as Obsidian's consort (rather than associate) is not insignificant. There is a nuance of meaning in the term that implies that they are not merely associates, but their relationship would be more similar to that of husband and wife, or domestic companions. The primary meaning of consort is the spouse of a monarch, which would sit well with Obsidian's perceived status.

On this basis, I think that it is reasonable to assert that Strika is intended to be a female character until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Perhaps she should be included in this listing, with a disclaimer about lack of formal evidence. To do otherwise would smack of legalistic hair-splitting.

:...I wasn't aware this was even in doubt. It'd require a fairly baroque misreading of Beast Machines to make Strika a dude. (BWR might change that.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I was also unaware. How can she not be a girl? ''Her tech spec calls her a girl.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I'd like to third this "what the hell?". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::...what do you mean fan-conjecture? He identifies her as his consort. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consort 
:::Of the SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, several of which are military in nature, only ONE is romantic. And again, there is absolutely fuck-all outside of one word with multiple accurate non-romatic applications to suggest any form of romance between the two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Really? Huh, I didn't think any of the other definitions actually fit...
::::''1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare PRINCE CONSORT , QUEEN CONSORT.
::::''2. one ship accompanying another.
::::''3. a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music. b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.
::::''4. a companion, associate, or partner.
::::''5. accord or agreement.
::::That leaves us #1 or #4... on reflection, the way Obsidian says it really '''does''' fit #4 better. *checks TF ultimate guide* Huh, there it calls her his cohort, which again seems to support Obsidian meant she was his partner, not sexytime toy.
::::Perhaps there should be a note on the Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Er... perhaps there should be a Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Ah, I think I follow something of the "WTF?" I have created - the conjecture is not about Strika's status as a female, but about the nature of the relationship with Obsidian implied from this. Apologies for this misreading.

::::::Having said this, some fundamental points remain - yes, there are 6 definitions of consort, but these are not equal or interchangeable - the most common or accepted usage of the term is almost always the one defined first.

::::::If the creators of Beast Machines had intended a more neutral relationship like associate, partner or companion, they could easily have used those words, and thus have prevented this current debate. However, the fact that they chose to use the word consort does make certain implications far more reasonable. There have been few (if any) female TFs introduced who did not have some manner of romantic or intimate entanglement. Since there is little doubt of Strika's gender, it is reasonable on this basis to assert that Obsidian and Strika were in an interdependent relationship similar to a marriage. Whether this included physical intimacy is neither here nor there, since many marriages can be founded on mutual attachment without intimacy. We can debate the nature of romance until the cows come home, though this wiki is probably not the best forum for this.

::::::So, relationship or not? --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 12:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::It's been awhile since I watched BM... (I hope to get the DVD set for Christmas) but did Obsidian ever show any affection for Strika? Any sign or romantic involvement aside from calling her his consort? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Not really. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== "femme" ==

Wasn't this term used already officially? (I remember being irate about something a few weeks back...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounds better than "fembot" at any rate. That term evokes images of Futurama. - [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:Austin Powers comes to mind first, actually. Images of Futurama would be awesome. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

::I'd have to double-check my Transformers: Decepticons DS game, but I think Barricade uses the term "fembot" as an insult to Create-a-Bot at one point. If so, "fembot" has been used in an official capacity, unfortuately. I still think "femme" without the bot suffix sounds a lot better. -- [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:::Fembot's certainly been used officially. Rattrap said it in "Nemesis," and Downshift's Cyber Key bio mentioned his "femmebot lifebond partner." I know of no uses of "femme" on it's own in canon. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Really, the Austin Powers fembots are a pop culture reference to the Bionic Woman fembots. Right down to the faceplates falling off.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
===origin of the term===
OK let's explain that. The way the female transformers are called "femme" is really a reference to the french language in a pun way. You see, "dude" can be translated in French by "mec", which is a slang for "homme" (the french word for "man"). Also, "mec" sound a lot like "mech" (which, but you all know that, is a slang term that refer to battle robots). And there you have it: English word "mech", (which sound like the french word "mec" which means "man" or rather "dude") refers to male robot while the French word "femme" also (used sometimes in English, as in "femme fatale") is used to refer to female transformers, in opposition to mech->mec(French word)->dude->male transformers.
So, the fandom term "femme" does effectively come from a bilingual English-French pun (Mech<->Mec). --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:The problem is, we really need two cites there. First, we need a cite proving that fans ''do'' in fact use "mech" and "femme" in fanfic to refer to male and female Transformers. Then, we need a cite saying that they explictly got this from the French words "femme" and "mec", and not, say, from Ratrap referring to Blackarachnia as an "emasculatin' fembot", from the Futurama "fembots", from the Austin Powers "fembots", or from the Bionic Woman "fembots".
:So, if you can provide a link to some proof of either of those things, we'd be delighted to have it. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::well for your second point, the term in discussion is "femme" not "fembot", no need to melt the two everybody know the term "femme fatal". As for your first point, while I have meet the term several time in different fiction, it is not that often used, so Icouldn't really provide the origin personally. Also, please not that I didn't povide the femme<->mech explanation, I just read it and only further explain the logical link between those two words. Ho and sorry to have missed the footnote, didn't have noticed it. --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't care enough about this to DO IT, but might I suggest that someone who wanted to try and make that case go through the records of the old Alt.transformers.fanfic usenet group from the early days of the fandom and try and track down the earliest uses of the terms in this way, and then see if any of those writers could still be found in the much larger and more disparate fandom of today so they might be asked where they got it from. Who knows if it'd work, but I think it's your only shot at "proof".

::::I don't know about the French Connection, but if you look here, at [http://www.fanfiction.net/cartoon/Transformers_Beast_Wars/|Fanfiction.net's Transformers/Beast Wars section], you'll find LOTS of stories that use the terms "Mech" and "Femme". I especially recommend [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3739984/1/Sparks_and_Plasma|"Sparks and Plasma"], [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3743427/1/What_Time_We_Have_Left|"What Time We Have Left"] and [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3789925/1/Night_Fire|"Night Fire"] as examples of stories that deal with male/female TF relationships in a tastefully and well-written way. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 15:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

One other thing tough. The online translator may be wrong. I have never ever herd the word "mec" used to refer to "pimp". There may be a confusion with "mac" who can basically be translated by "mack". But for "mec" the most accurate translation is "dude" never seen it used for "pimp". --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Please use the Preview button so that you can make your comments using one edit instead of three.
:[http://books.google.com/books?id=-BcYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mec+french+pimp&source=web&ots=5k0ZgdPptF&sig=oIappLss_TdlXGAoliETFT6U5b4&hl=en This says mec = pimp.]
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:[http://www.ideaswise.com/international_advertising.html Point 14 here says the same.]
:[http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=235&aid=75329 "He was a pimp, or in the French slang, a 'mec.'"]
:[http://stomptokyo.com/movies/irma-la-douce.html Also see the classic movie Irma La Douce, in which Jack Lemmon ends up as Shirley MacLaine's mec.]
:[[User:JW|JW]] 16:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Indeed, I found it too, it seems that the word effectively refer to pimp but in a more positive way (it actually can be translated as "official" lover of the prostitute). But nowadays, it is almost never used in that way and is only used for "dude". [http://www.cnrtl.fr/lexicographie/mec?]--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't know if it's within the scope of the wiki to delve this deeply into fanfiction culture.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Or French culture, for that matter.
:Anyway, I really don't think the current section of the page devoted to this should get any larger, but I think the brief mention we have is okay.
:Plus, the "mech = pimp" bit amuses me. (Corollary: I'm easy to amuse.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:As I have said before,I didn't put the fandom part, I just mentioned the French origin of the term.--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Decepticon Females ==
Should we have a section in here about the relative scarcity of unqualified female Decepticons in high-profile franchises? ("Unqualified" in the sense of "not former Autobots gone bad".) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

: I think that would be a good idea, considering there's only 3 I can think of in North American releases -- Strika in Beast Machines, Flamewar in the Timelines comics (though those were BotCon exclusives so probably don't count) and Thunderblast in Cybertron. We need more bad girls that have always been bad, and will stay that way. I like the idea of '''SPOILERS''' Blackarachnia in Animated being Elita-1, but I would still like to see more pure Decepticon femmes as well. A movieverse Decepticon femme would be cool too.

:Hell, I'm just happy that Hasbro's finally realizing that girls [http://www.lilformers.com/comic0075.php] play with Transformers too. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Strika wasn't a ''Decepticon,'' and she (like Obsidian) might have been an Autobot before becoming a Vehicon. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strika's faction, and indeed her role in Cybertron's history, are maddeningly vague.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, so that makes just one female Decepticon who has stayed a Decepticon EVER in any cartoon, and she's ...well, Thunderblast. *Sigh*. At least I can pretend my Arcee black repaint is Flamewar. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== "In fiction" articles ==
I was kind of wondering, this is one of the few articles not really written "in fiction". Large parts of it are "behind the scenes" kind of thing which are usually reserved to the Notes section. "Originally Simon Furman stated that he would not use female Transformers in IDW..." "Arcee was originally going to be featured as part of the cast of the Transformers film, but was cut..."

Are there some articles, like this one, where this is OK? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:32, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I've been wanting to rewrite this article for ages for stuff like this, but well, I suck at writing. As far as I can see, this article has no justification to be an exception to the standards. I'd strongly prefer to see it become look more like a regular "trait"-article (like [[Mini-Cassette]] and [[Triple Changer]]). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:35, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

:I think this article is just fine the way it is, and an "in-universe" rewrite wouldn't improve it in any way. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:00, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:: We do have some out-of-universe articles because they tend to work better that way, such as [[Spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Gallery ==
Is it just me, or would the gallery of toys work better on the [[List of female Transformers]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:At the very least, it should be on its own page, or, alternatively, a category, so there isn't 800kb of images on there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:22, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::Maybe a subpage/suite-type thing? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:24, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::To be honest, I don't see why we need it at all. We already have a list of female characters which links to all of their articles which have toy pictures at the bottom. Why the need to see them all in one place? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:41, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::I actually agree, but wasn't sure if others did. I brought it up because (if it really needs to be kept) this doesn't seem like the proper place to keep it. Your suggestion of a category is looking better and better. Anyone else want to weigh in? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:44, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::...I could note that we already ''have'' a [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::Probably best to remove the gallery and just insert a link to the category page, then. Of course, I still feel it should be on the "List" page instead of this one. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::There is little harm in having a link to a category in multiple places. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 18:29, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::It's okay to be removed from the page, but I'd prefer moving to [[Female Transformer/toys]] as a subpage. [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category can only show the image, but it is less organized (unlike [[Unreleased toy/gallery]] {{m-}} it doesn't include any link/character name/product name such as "[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia]]". (I create a toylist is because not all female characters have their own toys.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:02, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::As it is now, I don't see much point in keeping the toy gallery. However, I'd like to see it get a subpage if the bigger picture of feamle toy history can be put it as a "to sell toys"-explanation to why the fiction regarding female TFs is as it is. How female characters didn't/don't sell as well as male characters, cancellation of Beet Papil's toy, the lack of (non-redeco) toys for many female TFs, cancellation of Arcee's toys, the reason for Nightracer's existence, etc. Something like that should give a gallery a good reason to exist. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:10, 10 December 2009 (EST)
::::::::Just a quick note to let y'all know that I've just added a "Female Transformers toy" tag to all the Female TF toy images on the wiki. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 13 December 2009 (EST)
===Archives===
Temporarily files which may be used for a subpage in some day.

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==Romances==
Should the romance section possibly be moved to its own article? It seems to be quite a bit large for a subsection of this one, and could reasonably be expanded upon. Some material from [[Reproduction]] might be relevant to such a new article as well. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:03, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:That might not be a bad idea... considering we have articles for stuff like relatives, reproduction, "sexuality" in the Humanization article, and robot/squishie romances, it seems like an odd omission to not really have a dedicated robot/robot romance article. Or rather, currently all of our robot/robot romance stuff is kind of scattered around in various places of said other articles. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:47, 26 December 2009 (EST)

:Actually, I have been wanting to write a "Romance" (because "Sexuality" is only a bit less correct term) article for quite some time, merging this article's Romance section, Robot-Fleshling romance and a bit from the Humanization article's Sexuality section into one (and adding a much-needed list of those cases in which a Transformer's interest didn't go to something alive). However, thus far I have not found the time to get to it. Would greatly appreciate to see someone else make a start. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:48, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:P.S., you know, if no one else does it within twelve hours, I will kick myself to finally do it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:04, 26 December 2009 (EST)
::<strike>[[User:Ninjabot33/Romance|Done]]. Feel free to give advice in it's talk page 'cos it's not that great. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 17:55, 13 January 2010 (EST)</strike>
:::You may want to join forces with Geewunling: "User:Geewunling/Romance-Sandbox" --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::Now that page has already been made that sandbox is no longer needed. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 12:20, 2 February 2010 (EST)
::::If you want to ditch it entirely, you can stick a <tt>'''{{tl|speedy}}'''</tt> tag (for speedy delete) on the top of the page with a note that you don't need it, and that will let the admins know to delete it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)

==Ratchet==
I feel the fact that G1 Ratchet was [[:Image:G1RatchetSexchange.jpg|originally going to be female]] needs to be brought up on this page somehow. I'm at a loss as to how, though. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:52, 31 December 2010 (EST)
:It should, but then again, this page is lacking a lot. I've tried several months ago to make a [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|completely new fT article]], but quit when I realized the design wasn't working. Still have to pick it up again, but in the meantime everyone else is invited to edit it or drop suggestions on the talk page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:43, 31 December 2010 (EST)

== Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves ==

The obvious question is: if it is beyond the scope of the wiki, why is it in the opening paragraph? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:32, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
:Because maybe, just maybe, awareness of a bigger problem and how it affects our little object-de-fandom ''might'' be worth mentioning? Just a thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:40, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
::I don't think this is an issue the wiki can just dip its toe into. The way it sounds now it is like the wiki is playing dumb, like it has ''no idea'' why there are few females. It sounds like the wiki thinks Cybertron is a real place that should have a realistic male/female ratio of alien robots or something. As if there actually ''is'' a realistic ratio of male and female alien robots. In reality, it isn't a mystery any more than it is a mystery why all the important Ponies are girls. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:23, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
:::You're ''deliberately'' being obtuse and stupid, right? Verify this for us, please. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:48, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Please consider that some of us are uninterested in personal social justice campaigns, and just want to read about the vagarities of giant robots that spend most of their time beating the crap out of each other.-[[User:RAKninja|RAKninja]] 02:56, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::You, don't you start being obtuse and stupid, too. This is an important issue. If you don't got anything to add that's thoughtful, than get off the talkpage. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 10:45, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::''What'' is an important issue? The new introductory paragraph is vague. Deliberately vague, it would seem. It stops short of giving any useful information. Any actual point is pushed into to the "beyond the scope of the wiki" territory. That's what I mean when the wiki shouldn't just dip its toe into the issue. If the wiki isn't going to complete its thought, it shouldn't bring it up. OK, the introductory paragraph notes the rarity of female Transformers and suggests the rarity of female Transformers is part of some bigger argument about gender equality in real life (IRL). Assume the reader doesn't frequent the same internet forums you do. How are the two connected? Does one cause the other? Are there few female alien robots in Transformers fiction because there is gender inequality IRL? Is the world IRL a less gender equal place because of the high ratio of male/female alien robots in Transformers fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:41, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::Starfield, knock it the fuck off. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 19:55, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I don't think the introduction as it stands is as vague as you're saying. To me at least it seems pretty clear that it's saying the gender inequality in Transformers is part of gender inequality in the greater entertainment industry. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:16, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I'm with abates on this one. The article is simply making the point that gender inequity in TFs is not a phenomenon that needs explanation separate from gender inequity in the wider world. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:48, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::::Transformers is not general "entertainment." It is a niche. My Little Pony is a niche. What are we talking about? Does the wiki really expect Transformers to have 50.1% females? It is mostly about fighting and punching and shooting. And yes, it is about alien robots, who don't, out of necessity, even have to have a society with equal numbers of manbots and womanbots. In fact, they don't. Transformers, as a species, have far fewer females. But the females that do exist get the same kind of jobs cutting and slashing Decepticons. Equality for the feminine minority.
::::::::I will give you the IDW Arcee storyline, though. That was bizarre. "Autobot completely flips out after forcibly given a feminine gender assignment." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:17, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::::you are not seriously claiming that transformers-the-franchise is immune somehow to the influences of the society and culture in which it exists --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::::no but seriously go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::::Okay, you ''are actually incapable'' of ''not'' being obtuse and stupid. Got it. Because holy fuck, that was some impressively stupid drivel. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::::Starfield, do us all a favor and just shut up. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 15:18, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Female Transformer

2013-09-16T02:17:28Z

Starfield: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */

== Strika ==

There seems to be some vehemence about Strika's status (or not) as a female.

While I agree that there is no 'definitive' evidence that Strika is female, neither is there 'definitive' evidence that most TFs are male, yet we have no difficulty accepting that fact. To dismiss the (in my view) quite reasonable assumption that Strika is female as 'fan-conjecture' ignores a number of common-sense factors:

* The fact that in the cartoon she was voiced by female voice actor - there is no instance I can recall of a female TF character being voiced by a male actor or vice versa.

* That she is referred to as Obsidian's consort (rather than associate) is not insignificant. There is a nuance of meaning in the term that implies that they are not merely associates, but their relationship would be more similar to that of husband and wife, or domestic companions. The primary meaning of consort is the spouse of a monarch, which would sit well with Obsidian's perceived status.

On this basis, I think that it is reasonable to assert that Strika is intended to be a female character until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Perhaps she should be included in this listing, with a disclaimer about lack of formal evidence. To do otherwise would smack of legalistic hair-splitting.

:...I wasn't aware this was even in doubt. It'd require a fairly baroque misreading of Beast Machines to make Strika a dude. (BWR might change that.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I was also unaware. How can she not be a girl? ''Her tech spec calls her a girl.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I'd like to third this "what the hell?". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::...what do you mean fan-conjecture? He identifies her as his consort. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consort 
:::Of the SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, several of which are military in nature, only ONE is romantic. And again, there is absolutely fuck-all outside of one word with multiple accurate non-romatic applications to suggest any form of romance between the two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Really? Huh, I didn't think any of the other definitions actually fit...
::::''1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare PRINCE CONSORT , QUEEN CONSORT.
::::''2. one ship accompanying another.
::::''3. a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music. b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.
::::''4. a companion, associate, or partner.
::::''5. accord or agreement.
::::That leaves us #1 or #4... on reflection, the way Obsidian says it really '''does''' fit #4 better. *checks TF ultimate guide* Huh, there it calls her his cohort, which again seems to support Obsidian meant she was his partner, not sexytime toy.
::::Perhaps there should be a note on the Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Er... perhaps there should be a Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Ah, I think I follow something of the "WTF?" I have created - the conjecture is not about Strika's status as a female, but about the nature of the relationship with Obsidian implied from this. Apologies for this misreading.

::::::Having said this, some fundamental points remain - yes, there are 6 definitions of consort, but these are not equal or interchangeable - the most common or accepted usage of the term is almost always the one defined first.

::::::If the creators of Beast Machines had intended a more neutral relationship like associate, partner or companion, they could easily have used those words, and thus have prevented this current debate. However, the fact that they chose to use the word consort does make certain implications far more reasonable. There have been few (if any) female TFs introduced who did not have some manner of romantic or intimate entanglement. Since there is little doubt of Strika's gender, it is reasonable on this basis to assert that Obsidian and Strika were in an interdependent relationship similar to a marriage. Whether this included physical intimacy is neither here nor there, since many marriages can be founded on mutual attachment without intimacy. We can debate the nature of romance until the cows come home, though this wiki is probably not the best forum for this.

::::::So, relationship or not? --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 12:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::It's been awhile since I watched BM... (I hope to get the DVD set for Christmas) but did Obsidian ever show any affection for Strika? Any sign or romantic involvement aside from calling her his consort? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Not really. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== "femme" ==

Wasn't this term used already officially? (I remember being irate about something a few weeks back...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounds better than "fembot" at any rate. That term evokes images of Futurama. - [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:Austin Powers comes to mind first, actually. Images of Futurama would be awesome. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

::I'd have to double-check my Transformers: Decepticons DS game, but I think Barricade uses the term "fembot" as an insult to Create-a-Bot at one point. If so, "fembot" has been used in an official capacity, unfortuately. I still think "femme" without the bot suffix sounds a lot better. -- [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:::Fembot's certainly been used officially. Rattrap said it in "Nemesis," and Downshift's Cyber Key bio mentioned his "femmebot lifebond partner." I know of no uses of "femme" on it's own in canon. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Really, the Austin Powers fembots are a pop culture reference to the Bionic Woman fembots. Right down to the faceplates falling off.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
===origin of the term===
OK let's explain that. The way the female transformers are called "femme" is really a reference to the french language in a pun way. You see, "dude" can be translated in French by "mec", which is a slang for "homme" (the french word for "man"). Also, "mec" sound a lot like "mech" (which, but you all know that, is a slang term that refer to battle robots). And there you have it: English word "mech", (which sound like the french word "mec" which means "man" or rather "dude") refers to male robot while the French word "femme" also (used sometimes in English, as in "femme fatale") is used to refer to female transformers, in opposition to mech->mec(French word)->dude->male transformers.
So, the fandom term "femme" does effectively come from a bilingual English-French pun (Mech<->Mec). --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:The problem is, we really need two cites there. First, we need a cite proving that fans ''do'' in fact use "mech" and "femme" in fanfic to refer to male and female Transformers. Then, we need a cite saying that they explictly got this from the French words "femme" and "mec", and not, say, from Ratrap referring to Blackarachnia as an "emasculatin' fembot", from the Futurama "fembots", from the Austin Powers "fembots", or from the Bionic Woman "fembots".
:So, if you can provide a link to some proof of either of those things, we'd be delighted to have it. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::well for your second point, the term in discussion is "femme" not "fembot", no need to melt the two everybody know the term "femme fatal". As for your first point, while I have meet the term several time in different fiction, it is not that often used, so Icouldn't really provide the origin personally. Also, please not that I didn't povide the femme<->mech explanation, I just read it and only further explain the logical link between those two words. Ho and sorry to have missed the footnote, didn't have noticed it. --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't care enough about this to DO IT, but might I suggest that someone who wanted to try and make that case go through the records of the old Alt.transformers.fanfic usenet group from the early days of the fandom and try and track down the earliest uses of the terms in this way, and then see if any of those writers could still be found in the much larger and more disparate fandom of today so they might be asked where they got it from. Who knows if it'd work, but I think it's your only shot at "proof".

::::I don't know about the French Connection, but if you look here, at [http://www.fanfiction.net/cartoon/Transformers_Beast_Wars/|Fanfiction.net's Transformers/Beast Wars section], you'll find LOTS of stories that use the terms "Mech" and "Femme". I especially recommend [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3739984/1/Sparks_and_Plasma|"Sparks and Plasma"], [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3743427/1/What_Time_We_Have_Left|"What Time We Have Left"] and [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3789925/1/Night_Fire|"Night Fire"] as examples of stories that deal with male/female TF relationships in a tastefully and well-written way. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 15:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

One other thing tough. The online translator may be wrong. I have never ever herd the word "mec" used to refer to "pimp". There may be a confusion with "mac" who can basically be translated by "mack". But for "mec" the most accurate translation is "dude" never seen it used for "pimp". --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Please use the Preview button so that you can make your comments using one edit instead of three.
:[http://books.google.com/books?id=-BcYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mec+french+pimp&source=web&ots=5k0ZgdPptF&sig=oIappLss_TdlXGAoliETFT6U5b4&hl=en This says mec = pimp.]
:
:[http://www.ideaswise.com/international_advertising.html Point 14 here says the same.]
:[http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=235&aid=75329 "He was a pimp, or in the French slang, a 'mec.'"]
:[http://stomptokyo.com/movies/irma-la-douce.html Also see the classic movie Irma La Douce, in which Jack Lemmon ends up as Shirley MacLaine's mec.]
:[[User:JW|JW]] 16:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Indeed, I found it too, it seems that the word effectively refer to pimp but in a more positive way (it actually can be translated as "official" lover of the prostitute). But nowadays, it is almost never used in that way and is only used for "dude". [http://www.cnrtl.fr/lexicographie/mec?]--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't know if it's within the scope of the wiki to delve this deeply into fanfiction culture.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Or French culture, for that matter.
:Anyway, I really don't think the current section of the page devoted to this should get any larger, but I think the brief mention we have is okay.
:Plus, the "mech = pimp" bit amuses me. (Corollary: I'm easy to amuse.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:As I have said before,I didn't put the fandom part, I just mentioned the French origin of the term.--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Decepticon Females ==
Should we have a section in here about the relative scarcity of unqualified female Decepticons in high-profile franchises? ("Unqualified" in the sense of "not former Autobots gone bad".) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

: I think that would be a good idea, considering there's only 3 I can think of in North American releases -- Strika in Beast Machines, Flamewar in the Timelines comics (though those were BotCon exclusives so probably don't count) and Thunderblast in Cybertron. We need more bad girls that have always been bad, and will stay that way. I like the idea of '''SPOILERS''' Blackarachnia in Animated being Elita-1, but I would still like to see more pure Decepticon femmes as well. A movieverse Decepticon femme would be cool too.

:Hell, I'm just happy that Hasbro's finally realizing that girls [http://www.lilformers.com/comic0075.php] play with Transformers too. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Strika wasn't a ''Decepticon,'' and she (like Obsidian) might have been an Autobot before becoming a Vehicon. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strika's faction, and indeed her role in Cybertron's history, are maddeningly vague.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, so that makes just one female Decepticon who has stayed a Decepticon EVER in any cartoon, and she's ...well, Thunderblast. *Sigh*. At least I can pretend my Arcee black repaint is Flamewar. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== "In fiction" articles ==
I was kind of wondering, this is one of the few articles not really written "in fiction". Large parts of it are "behind the scenes" kind of thing which are usually reserved to the Notes section. "Originally Simon Furman stated that he would not use female Transformers in IDW..." "Arcee was originally going to be featured as part of the cast of the Transformers film, but was cut..."

Are there some articles, like this one, where this is OK? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:32, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I've been wanting to rewrite this article for ages for stuff like this, but well, I suck at writing. As far as I can see, this article has no justification to be an exception to the standards. I'd strongly prefer to see it become look more like a regular "trait"-article (like [[Mini-Cassette]] and [[Triple Changer]]). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:35, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

:I think this article is just fine the way it is, and an "in-universe" rewrite wouldn't improve it in any way. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:00, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:: We do have some out-of-universe articles because they tend to work better that way, such as [[Spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Gallery ==
Is it just me, or would the gallery of toys work better on the [[List of female Transformers]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:At the very least, it should be on its own page, or, alternatively, a category, so there isn't 800kb of images on there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:22, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::Maybe a subpage/suite-type thing? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:24, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::To be honest, I don't see why we need it at all. We already have a list of female characters which links to all of their articles which have toy pictures at the bottom. Why the need to see them all in one place? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:41, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::I actually agree, but wasn't sure if others did. I brought it up because (if it really needs to be kept) this doesn't seem like the proper place to keep it. Your suggestion of a category is looking better and better. Anyone else want to weigh in? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:44, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::...I could note that we already ''have'' a [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::Probably best to remove the gallery and just insert a link to the category page, then. Of course, I still feel it should be on the "List" page instead of this one. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::There is little harm in having a link to a category in multiple places. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 18:29, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::It's okay to be removed from the page, but I'd prefer moving to [[Female Transformer/toys]] as a subpage. [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category can only show the image, but it is less organized (unlike [[Unreleased toy/gallery]] {{m-}} it doesn't include any link/character name/product name such as "[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia]]". (I create a toylist is because not all female characters have their own toys.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:02, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::As it is now, I don't see much point in keeping the toy gallery. However, I'd like to see it get a subpage if the bigger picture of feamle toy history can be put it as a "to sell toys"-explanation to why the fiction regarding female TFs is as it is. How female characters didn't/don't sell as well as male characters, cancellation of Beet Papil's toy, the lack of (non-redeco) toys for many female TFs, cancellation of Arcee's toys, the reason for Nightracer's existence, etc. Something like that should give a gallery a good reason to exist. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:10, 10 December 2009 (EST)
::::::::Just a quick note to let y'all know that I've just added a "Female Transformers toy" tag to all the Female TF toy images on the wiki. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 13 December 2009 (EST)
===Archives===
Temporarily files which may be used for a subpage in some day.

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==Romances==
Should the romance section possibly be moved to its own article? It seems to be quite a bit large for a subsection of this one, and could reasonably be expanded upon. Some material from [[Reproduction]] might be relevant to such a new article as well. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:03, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:That might not be a bad idea... considering we have articles for stuff like relatives, reproduction, "sexuality" in the Humanization article, and robot/squishie romances, it seems like an odd omission to not really have a dedicated robot/robot romance article. Or rather, currently all of our robot/robot romance stuff is kind of scattered around in various places of said other articles. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:47, 26 December 2009 (EST)

:Actually, I have been wanting to write a "Romance" (because "Sexuality" is only a bit less correct term) article for quite some time, merging this article's Romance section, Robot-Fleshling romance and a bit from the Humanization article's Sexuality section into one (and adding a much-needed list of those cases in which a Transformer's interest didn't go to something alive). However, thus far I have not found the time to get to it. Would greatly appreciate to see someone else make a start. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:48, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:P.S., you know, if no one else does it within twelve hours, I will kick myself to finally do it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:04, 26 December 2009 (EST)
::<strike>[[User:Ninjabot33/Romance|Done]]. Feel free to give advice in it's talk page 'cos it's not that great. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 17:55, 13 January 2010 (EST)</strike>
:::You may want to join forces with Geewunling: "User:Geewunling/Romance-Sandbox" --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::Now that page has already been made that sandbox is no longer needed. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 12:20, 2 February 2010 (EST)
::::If you want to ditch it entirely, you can stick a <tt>'''{{tl|speedy}}'''</tt> tag (for speedy delete) on the top of the page with a note that you don't need it, and that will let the admins know to delete it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)

==Ratchet==
I feel the fact that G1 Ratchet was [[:Image:G1RatchetSexchange.jpg|originally going to be female]] needs to be brought up on this page somehow. I'm at a loss as to how, though. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:52, 31 December 2010 (EST)
:It should, but then again, this page is lacking a lot. I've tried several months ago to make a [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|completely new fT article]], but quit when I realized the design wasn't working. Still have to pick it up again, but in the meantime everyone else is invited to edit it or drop suggestions on the talk page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:43, 31 December 2010 (EST)

== Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves ==

The obvious question is: if it is beyond the scope of the wiki, why is it in the opening paragraph? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:32, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
:Because maybe, just maybe, awareness of a bigger problem and how it affects our little object-de-fandom ''might'' be worth mentioning? Just a thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:40, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
::I don't think this is an issue the wiki can just dip its toe into. The way it sounds now it is like the wiki is playing dumb, like it has ''no idea'' why there are few females. It sounds like the wiki thinks Cybertron is a real place that should have a realistic male/female ratio of alien robots or something. As if there actually ''is'' a realistic ratio of male and female alien robots. In reality, it isn't a mystery any more than it is a mystery why all the important Ponies are girls. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:23, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
:::You're ''deliberately'' being obtuse and stupid, right? Verify this for us, please. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:48, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Please consider that some of us are uninterested in personal social justice campaigns, and just want to read about the vagarities of giant robots that spend most of their time beating the crap out of each other.-[[User:RAKninja|RAKninja]] 02:56, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::You, don't you start being obtuse and stupid, too. This is an important issue. If you don't got anything to add that's thoughtful, than get off the talkpage. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 10:45, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::''What'' is an important issue? The new introductory paragraph is vague. Deliberately vague, it would seem. It stops short of giving any useful information. Any actual point is pushed into to the "beyond the scope of the wiki" territory. That's what I mean when the wiki shouldn't just dip its toe into the issue. If the wiki isn't going to complete its thought, it shouldn't bring it up. OK, the introductory paragraph notes the rarity of female Transformers and suggests the rarity of female Transformers is part of some bigger argument about gender equality in real life (IRL). Assume the reader doesn't frequent the same internet forums you do. How are the two connected? Does one cause the other? Are there few female alien robots in Transformers fiction because there is gender inequality IRL? Is the world IRL a less gender equal place because of the high ratio of male/female alien robots in Transformers fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:41, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::Starfield, knock it the fuck off. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 19:55, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I don't think the introduction as it stands is as vague as you're saying. To me at least it seems pretty clear that it's saying the gender inequality in Transformers is part of gender inequality in the greater entertainment industry. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:16, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::I'm with abates on this one. The article is simply making the point that gender inequity in TFs is not a phenomenon that needs explanation separate from gender inequity in the wider world. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:48, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::::Transformers is not general "entertainment." It is a niche. My Little Pony is a niche. What are we talking about? Does the wiki really expect Transformers to have 50.1% females? It is mostly about fighting and punching and shooting. And yes, it is about alien robots, who don't, out of necessity, even have to have a society with equal numbers of manbots and womanbots. In fact, they don't. Transformers, as a species, have far fewer females. But the females that do exist get the same kind of jobs cutting and slashing Decepticons. Equality for the feminine minority.
::::::::I will give you the IDW Arcee storyline, though. That was bizarre. "Autobot completely flips out after forcibly given a feminine gender assignment." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:17, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Griffin Rock natural history museum

2013-09-15T23:52:32Z

Starfield:

I'm confused. Why does this article have the nameless tag? [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 17:14, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
:It doesn't have an on-screen name. Chief Burns only refers to it as the "natural history museum". --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:39, 15 September 2013 (EDT)
::Technically, it should probably be lower case. "Griffin Rock natural history museum." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:52, 15 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Female Transformer

2013-09-14T15:41:22Z

Starfield:

== Strika ==

There seems to be some vehemence about Strika's status (or not) as a female.

While I agree that there is no 'definitive' evidence that Strika is female, neither is there 'definitive' evidence that most TFs are male, yet we have no difficulty accepting that fact. To dismiss the (in my view) quite reasonable assumption that Strika is female as 'fan-conjecture' ignores a number of common-sense factors:

* The fact that in the cartoon she was voiced by female voice actor - there is no instance I can recall of a female TF character being voiced by a male actor or vice versa.

* That she is referred to as Obsidian's consort (rather than associate) is not insignificant. There is a nuance of meaning in the term that implies that they are not merely associates, but their relationship would be more similar to that of husband and wife, or domestic companions. The primary meaning of consort is the spouse of a monarch, which would sit well with Obsidian's perceived status.

On this basis, I think that it is reasonable to assert that Strika is intended to be a female character until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Perhaps she should be included in this listing, with a disclaimer about lack of formal evidence. To do otherwise would smack of legalistic hair-splitting.

:...I wasn't aware this was even in doubt. It'd require a fairly baroque misreading of Beast Machines to make Strika a dude. (BWR might change that.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I was also unaware. How can she not be a girl? ''Her tech spec calls her a girl.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I'd like to third this "what the hell?". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::...what do you mean fan-conjecture? He identifies her as his consort. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consort 
:::Of the SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, several of which are military in nature, only ONE is romantic. And again, there is absolutely fuck-all outside of one word with multiple accurate non-romatic applications to suggest any form of romance between the two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Really? Huh, I didn't think any of the other definitions actually fit...
::::''1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare PRINCE CONSORT , QUEEN CONSORT.
::::''2. one ship accompanying another.
::::''3. a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music. b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.
::::''4. a companion, associate, or partner.
::::''5. accord or agreement.
::::That leaves us #1 or #4... on reflection, the way Obsidian says it really '''does''' fit #4 better. *checks TF ultimate guide* Huh, there it calls her his cohort, which again seems to support Obsidian meant she was his partner, not sexytime toy.
::::Perhaps there should be a note on the Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Er... perhaps there should be a Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Ah, I think I follow something of the "WTF?" I have created - the conjecture is not about Strika's status as a female, but about the nature of the relationship with Obsidian implied from this. Apologies for this misreading.

::::::Having said this, some fundamental points remain - yes, there are 6 definitions of consort, but these are not equal or interchangeable - the most common or accepted usage of the term is almost always the one defined first.

::::::If the creators of Beast Machines had intended a more neutral relationship like associate, partner or companion, they could easily have used those words, and thus have prevented this current debate. However, the fact that they chose to use the word consort does make certain implications far more reasonable. There have been few (if any) female TFs introduced who did not have some manner of romantic or intimate entanglement. Since there is little doubt of Strika's gender, it is reasonable on this basis to assert that Obsidian and Strika were in an interdependent relationship similar to a marriage. Whether this included physical intimacy is neither here nor there, since many marriages can be founded on mutual attachment without intimacy. We can debate the nature of romance until the cows come home, though this wiki is probably not the best forum for this.

::::::So, relationship or not? --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 12:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::It's been awhile since I watched BM... (I hope to get the DVD set for Christmas) but did Obsidian ever show any affection for Strika? Any sign or romantic involvement aside from calling her his consort? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Not really. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== "femme" ==

Wasn't this term used already officially? (I remember being irate about something a few weeks back...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounds better than "fembot" at any rate. That term evokes images of Futurama. - [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:Austin Powers comes to mind first, actually. Images of Futurama would be awesome. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

::I'd have to double-check my Transformers: Decepticons DS game, but I think Barricade uses the term "fembot" as an insult to Create-a-Bot at one point. If so, "fembot" has been used in an official capacity, unfortuately. I still think "femme" without the bot suffix sounds a lot better. -- [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:::Fembot's certainly been used officially. Rattrap said it in "Nemesis," and Downshift's Cyber Key bio mentioned his "femmebot lifebond partner." I know of no uses of "femme" on it's own in canon. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Really, the Austin Powers fembots are a pop culture reference to the Bionic Woman fembots. Right down to the faceplates falling off.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
===origin of the term===
OK let's explain that. The way the female transformers are called "femme" is really a reference to the french language in a pun way. You see, "dude" can be translated in French by "mec", which is a slang for "homme" (the french word for "man"). Also, "mec" sound a lot like "mech" (which, but you all know that, is a slang term that refer to battle robots). And there you have it: English word "mech", (which sound like the french word "mec" which means "man" or rather "dude") refers to male robot while the French word "femme" also (used sometimes in English, as in "femme fatale") is used to refer to female transformers, in opposition to mech->mec(French word)->dude->male transformers.
So, the fandom term "femme" does effectively come from a bilingual English-French pun (Mech<->Mec). --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:The problem is, we really need two cites there. First, we need a cite proving that fans ''do'' in fact use "mech" and "femme" in fanfic to refer to male and female Transformers. Then, we need a cite saying that they explictly got this from the French words "femme" and "mec", and not, say, from Ratrap referring to Blackarachnia as an "emasculatin' fembot", from the Futurama "fembots", from the Austin Powers "fembots", or from the Bionic Woman "fembots".
:So, if you can provide a link to some proof of either of those things, we'd be delighted to have it. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::well for your second point, the term in discussion is "femme" not "fembot", no need to melt the two everybody know the term "femme fatal". As for your first point, while I have meet the term several time in different fiction, it is not that often used, so Icouldn't really provide the origin personally. Also, please not that I didn't povide the femme<->mech explanation, I just read it and only further explain the logical link between those two words. Ho and sorry to have missed the footnote, didn't have noticed it. --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't care enough about this to DO IT, but might I suggest that someone who wanted to try and make that case go through the records of the old Alt.transformers.fanfic usenet group from the early days of the fandom and try and track down the earliest uses of the terms in this way, and then see if any of those writers could still be found in the much larger and more disparate fandom of today so they might be asked where they got it from. Who knows if it'd work, but I think it's your only shot at "proof".

::::I don't know about the French Connection, but if you look here, at [http://www.fanfiction.net/cartoon/Transformers_Beast_Wars/|Fanfiction.net's Transformers/Beast Wars section], you'll find LOTS of stories that use the terms "Mech" and "Femme". I especially recommend [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3739984/1/Sparks_and_Plasma|"Sparks and Plasma"], [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3743427/1/What_Time_We_Have_Left|"What Time We Have Left"] and [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3789925/1/Night_Fire|"Night Fire"] as examples of stories that deal with male/female TF relationships in a tastefully and well-written way. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 15:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

One other thing tough. The online translator may be wrong. I have never ever herd the word "mec" used to refer to "pimp". There may be a confusion with "mac" who can basically be translated by "mack". But for "mec" the most accurate translation is "dude" never seen it used for "pimp". --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Please use the Preview button so that you can make your comments using one edit instead of three.
:[http://books.google.com/books?id=-BcYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mec+french+pimp&source=web&ots=5k0ZgdPptF&sig=oIappLss_TdlXGAoliETFT6U5b4&hl=en This says mec = pimp.]
:
:[http://www.ideaswise.com/international_advertising.html Point 14 here says the same.]
:[http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=235&aid=75329 "He was a pimp, or in the French slang, a 'mec.'"]
:[http://stomptokyo.com/movies/irma-la-douce.html Also see the classic movie Irma La Douce, in which Jack Lemmon ends up as Shirley MacLaine's mec.]
:[[User:JW|JW]] 16:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Indeed, I found it too, it seems that the word effectively refer to pimp but in a more positive way (it actually can be translated as "official" lover of the prostitute). But nowadays, it is almost never used in that way and is only used for "dude". [http://www.cnrtl.fr/lexicographie/mec?]--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't know if it's within the scope of the wiki to delve this deeply into fanfiction culture.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Or French culture, for that matter.
:Anyway, I really don't think the current section of the page devoted to this should get any larger, but I think the brief mention we have is okay.
:Plus, the "mech = pimp" bit amuses me. (Corollary: I'm easy to amuse.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:As I have said before,I didn't put the fandom part, I just mentioned the French origin of the term.--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Decepticon Females ==
Should we have a section in here about the relative scarcity of unqualified female Decepticons in high-profile franchises? ("Unqualified" in the sense of "not former Autobots gone bad".) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

: I think that would be a good idea, considering there's only 3 I can think of in North American releases -- Strika in Beast Machines, Flamewar in the Timelines comics (though those were BotCon exclusives so probably don't count) and Thunderblast in Cybertron. We need more bad girls that have always been bad, and will stay that way. I like the idea of '''SPOILERS''' Blackarachnia in Animated being Elita-1, but I would still like to see more pure Decepticon femmes as well. A movieverse Decepticon femme would be cool too.

:Hell, I'm just happy that Hasbro's finally realizing that girls [http://www.lilformers.com/comic0075.php] play with Transformers too. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Strika wasn't a ''Decepticon,'' and she (like Obsidian) might have been an Autobot before becoming a Vehicon. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strika's faction, and indeed her role in Cybertron's history, are maddeningly vague.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, so that makes just one female Decepticon who has stayed a Decepticon EVER in any cartoon, and she's ...well, Thunderblast. *Sigh*. At least I can pretend my Arcee black repaint is Flamewar. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== "In fiction" articles ==
I was kind of wondering, this is one of the few articles not really written "in fiction". Large parts of it are "behind the scenes" kind of thing which are usually reserved to the Notes section. "Originally Simon Furman stated that he would not use female Transformers in IDW..." "Arcee was originally going to be featured as part of the cast of the Transformers film, but was cut..."

Are there some articles, like this one, where this is OK? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:32, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I've been wanting to rewrite this article for ages for stuff like this, but well, I suck at writing. As far as I can see, this article has no justification to be an exception to the standards. I'd strongly prefer to see it become look more like a regular "trait"-article (like [[Mini-Cassette]] and [[Triple Changer]]). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:35, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

:I think this article is just fine the way it is, and an "in-universe" rewrite wouldn't improve it in any way. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:00, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:: We do have some out-of-universe articles because they tend to work better that way, such as [[Spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Gallery ==
Is it just me, or would the gallery of toys work better on the [[List of female Transformers]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:At the very least, it should be on its own page, or, alternatively, a category, so there isn't 800kb of images on there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:22, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::Maybe a subpage/suite-type thing? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:24, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::To be honest, I don't see why we need it at all. We already have a list of female characters which links to all of their articles which have toy pictures at the bottom. Why the need to see them all in one place? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:41, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::I actually agree, but wasn't sure if others did. I brought it up because (if it really needs to be kept) this doesn't seem like the proper place to keep it. Your suggestion of a category is looking better and better. Anyone else want to weigh in? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:44, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::...I could note that we already ''have'' a [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::Probably best to remove the gallery and just insert a link to the category page, then. Of course, I still feel it should be on the "List" page instead of this one. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::There is little harm in having a link to a category in multiple places. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 18:29, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::It's okay to be removed from the page, but I'd prefer moving to [[Female Transformer/toys]] as a subpage. [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category can only show the image, but it is less organized (unlike [[Unreleased toy/gallery]] {{m-}} it doesn't include any link/character name/product name such as "[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia]]". (I create a toylist is because not all female characters have their own toys.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:02, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::As it is now, I don't see much point in keeping the toy gallery. However, I'd like to see it get a subpage if the bigger picture of feamle toy history can be put it as a "to sell toys"-explanation to why the fiction regarding female TFs is as it is. How female characters didn't/don't sell as well as male characters, cancellation of Beet Papil's toy, the lack of (non-redeco) toys for many female TFs, cancellation of Arcee's toys, the reason for Nightracer's existence, etc. Something like that should give a gallery a good reason to exist. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:10, 10 December 2009 (EST)
::::::::Just a quick note to let y'all know that I've just added a "Female Transformers toy" tag to all the Female TF toy images on the wiki. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 13 December 2009 (EST)
===Archives===
Temporarily files which may be used for a subpage in some day.

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==Romances==
Should the romance section possibly be moved to its own article? It seems to be quite a bit large for a subsection of this one, and could reasonably be expanded upon. Some material from [[Reproduction]] might be relevant to such a new article as well. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:03, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:That might not be a bad idea... considering we have articles for stuff like relatives, reproduction, "sexuality" in the Humanization article, and robot/squishie romances, it seems like an odd omission to not really have a dedicated robot/robot romance article. Or rather, currently all of our robot/robot romance stuff is kind of scattered around in various places of said other articles. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:47, 26 December 2009 (EST)

:Actually, I have been wanting to write a "Romance" (because "Sexuality" is only a bit less correct term) article for quite some time, merging this article's Romance section, Robot-Fleshling romance and a bit from the Humanization article's Sexuality section into one (and adding a much-needed list of those cases in which a Transformer's interest didn't go to something alive). However, thus far I have not found the time to get to it. Would greatly appreciate to see someone else make a start. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:48, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:P.S., you know, if no one else does it within twelve hours, I will kick myself to finally do it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:04, 26 December 2009 (EST)
::<strike>[[User:Ninjabot33/Romance|Done]]. Feel free to give advice in it's talk page 'cos it's not that great. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 17:55, 13 January 2010 (EST)</strike>
:::You may want to join forces with Geewunling: "User:Geewunling/Romance-Sandbox" --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::Now that page has already been made that sandbox is no longer needed. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 12:20, 2 February 2010 (EST)
::::If you want to ditch it entirely, you can stick a <tt>'''{{tl|speedy}}'''</tt> tag (for speedy delete) on the top of the page with a note that you don't need it, and that will let the admins know to delete it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)

==Ratchet==
I feel the fact that G1 Ratchet was [[:Image:G1RatchetSexchange.jpg|originally going to be female]] needs to be brought up on this page somehow. I'm at a loss as to how, though. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:52, 31 December 2010 (EST)
:It should, but then again, this page is lacking a lot. I've tried several months ago to make a [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|completely new fT article]], but quit when I realized the design wasn't working. Still have to pick it up again, but in the meantime everyone else is invited to edit it or drop suggestions on the talk page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:43, 31 December 2010 (EST)

== Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves ==

The obvious question is: if it is beyond the scope of the wiki, why is it in the opening paragraph? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:32, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
:Because maybe, just maybe, awareness of a bigger problem and how it affects our little object-de-fandom ''might'' be worth mentioning? Just a thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:40, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
::I don't think this is an issue the wiki can just dip its toe into. The way it sounds now it is like the wiki is playing dumb, like it has ''no idea'' why there are few females. It sounds like the wiki thinks Cybertron is a real place that should have a realistic male/female ratio of alien robots or something. As if there actually ''is'' a realistic ratio of male and female alien robots. In reality, it isn't a mystery any more than it is a mystery why all the important Ponies are girls. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:23, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
:::You're ''deliberately'' being obtuse and stupid, right? Verify this for us, please. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:48, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Please consider that some of us are uninterested in personal social justice campaigns, and just want to read about the vagarities of giant robots that spend most of their time beating the crap out of each other.-[[User:RAKninja|RAKninja]] 02:56, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::You, don't you start being obtuse and stupid, too. This is an important issue. If you don't got anything to add that's thoughtful, than get off the talkpage. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 10:45, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::''What'' is an important issue? The new introductory paragraph is vague. Deliberately vague, it would seem. It stops short of giving any useful information. Any actual point is pushed into to the "beyond the scope of the wiki" territory. That's what I mean when the wiki shouldn't just dip its toe into the issue. If the wiki isn't going to complete its thought, it shouldn't bring it up. OK, the introductory paragraph notes the rarity of female Transformers and suggests the rarity of female Transformers is part of some bigger argument about gender equality in real life (IRL). Assume the reader doesn't frequent the same internet forums you do. How are the two connected? Does one cause the other? Are there few female alien robots in Transformers fiction because there is gender inequality IRL? Is the world IRL a less gender equal place because of the high ratio of male/female alien robots in Transformers fiction? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:41, 14 September 2013 (EDT)
starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

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== Strika ==

There seems to be some vehemence about Strika's status (or not) as a female.

While I agree that there is no 'definitive' evidence that Strika is female, neither is there 'definitive' evidence that most TFs are male, yet we have no difficulty accepting that fact. To dismiss the (in my view) quite reasonable assumption that Strika is female as 'fan-conjecture' ignores a number of common-sense factors:

* The fact that in the cartoon she was voiced by female voice actor - there is no instance I can recall of a female TF character being voiced by a male actor or vice versa.

* That she is referred to as Obsidian's consort (rather than associate) is not insignificant. There is a nuance of meaning in the term that implies that they are not merely associates, but their relationship would be more similar to that of husband and wife, or domestic companions. The primary meaning of consort is the spouse of a monarch, which would sit well with Obsidian's perceived status.

On this basis, I think that it is reasonable to assert that Strika is intended to be a female character until there is conclusive evidence to the contrary. Perhaps she should be included in this listing, with a disclaimer about lack of formal evidence. To do otherwise would smack of legalistic hair-splitting.

:...I wasn't aware this was even in doubt. It'd require a fairly baroque misreading of Beast Machines to make Strika a dude. (BWR might change that.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:25, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I was also unaware. How can she not be a girl? ''Her tech spec calls her a girl.'' --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:35, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: I'd like to third this "what the hell?". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 04:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::...what do you mean fan-conjecture? He identifies her as his consort. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:06, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consort 
:::Of the SIX DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS, several of which are military in nature, only ONE is romantic. And again, there is absolutely fuck-all outside of one word with multiple accurate non-romatic applications to suggest any form of romance between the two. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::Really? Huh, I didn't think any of the other definitions actually fit...
::::''1. a husband or wife; spouse, esp. of a reigning monarch. Compare PRINCE CONSORT , QUEEN CONSORT.
::::''2. one ship accompanying another.
::::''3. a. a group of instrumentalists and singers who perform music, esp. old music. b. a group of instruments of the same family, as viols, played in concert.
::::''4. a companion, associate, or partner.
::::''5. accord or agreement.
::::That leaves us #1 or #4... on reflection, the way Obsidian says it really '''does''' fit #4 better. *checks TF ultimate guide* Huh, there it calls her his cohort, which again seems to support Obsidian meant she was his partner, not sexytime toy.
::::Perhaps there should be a note on the Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Er... perhaps there should be a Strika page? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::Ah, I think I follow something of the "WTF?" I have created - the conjecture is not about Strika's status as a female, but about the nature of the relationship with Obsidian implied from this. Apologies for this misreading.

::::::Having said this, some fundamental points remain - yes, there are 6 definitions of consort, but these are not equal or interchangeable - the most common or accepted usage of the term is almost always the one defined first.

::::::If the creators of Beast Machines had intended a more neutral relationship like associate, partner or companion, they could easily have used those words, and thus have prevented this current debate. However, the fact that they chose to use the word consort does make certain implications far more reasonable. There have been few (if any) female TFs introduced who did not have some manner of romantic or intimate entanglement. Since there is little doubt of Strika's gender, it is reasonable on this basis to assert that Obsidian and Strika were in an interdependent relationship similar to a marriage. Whether this included physical intimacy is neither here nor there, since many marriages can be founded on mutual attachment without intimacy. We can debate the nature of romance until the cows come home, though this wiki is probably not the best forum for this.

::::::So, relationship or not? --[[User:Sofaman|Sofaman]] 12:20, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

::::::::It's been awhile since I watched BM... (I hope to get the DVD set for Christmas) but did Obsidian ever show any affection for Strika? Any sign or romantic involvement aside from calling her his consort? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:10, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Not really. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

== "femme" ==

Wasn't this term used already officially? (I remember being irate about something a few weeks back...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It sounds better than "fembot" at any rate. That term evokes images of Futurama. - [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:Austin Powers comes to mind first, actually. Images of Futurama would be awesome. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:39, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

::I'd have to double-check my Transformers: Decepticons DS game, but I think Barricade uses the term "fembot" as an insult to Create-a-Bot at one point. If so, "fembot" has been used in an official capacity, unfortuately. I still think "femme" without the bot suffix sounds a lot better. -- [[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]]
:::Fembot's certainly been used officially. Rattrap said it in "Nemesis," and Downshift's Cyber Key bio mentioned his "femmebot lifebond partner." I know of no uses of "femme" on it's own in canon. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Really, the Austin Powers fembots are a pop culture reference to the Bionic Woman fembots. Right down to the faceplates falling off.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 07:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
===origin of the term===
OK let's explain that. The way the female transformers are called "femme" is really a reference to the french language in a pun way. You see, "dude" can be translated in French by "mec", which is a slang for "homme" (the french word for "man"). Also, "mec" sound a lot like "mech" (which, but you all know that, is a slang term that refer to battle robots). And there you have it: English word "mech", (which sound like the french word "mec" which means "man" or rather "dude") refers to male robot while the French word "femme" also (used sometimes in English, as in "femme fatale") is used to refer to female transformers, in opposition to mech->mec(French word)->dude->male transformers.
So, the fandom term "femme" does effectively come from a bilingual English-French pun (Mech<->Mec). --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:The problem is, we really need two cites there. First, we need a cite proving that fans ''do'' in fact use "mech" and "femme" in fanfic to refer to male and female Transformers. Then, we need a cite saying that they explictly got this from the French words "femme" and "mec", and not, say, from Ratrap referring to Blackarachnia as an "emasculatin' fembot", from the Futurama "fembots", from the Austin Powers "fembots", or from the Bionic Woman "fembots".
:So, if you can provide a link to some proof of either of those things, we'd be delighted to have it. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:33, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
::well for your second point, the term in discussion is "femme" not "fembot", no need to melt the two everybody know the term "femme fatal". As for your first point, while I have meet the term several time in different fiction, it is not that often used, so Icouldn't really provide the origin personally. Also, please not that I didn't povide the femme<->mech explanation, I just read it and only further explain the logical link between those two words. Ho and sorry to have missed the footnote, didn't have noticed it. --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

::: I don't care enough about this to DO IT, but might I suggest that someone who wanted to try and make that case go through the records of the old Alt.transformers.fanfic usenet group from the early days of the fandom and try and track down the earliest uses of the terms in this way, and then see if any of those writers could still be found in the much larger and more disparate fandom of today so they might be asked where they got it from. Who knows if it'd work, but I think it's your only shot at "proof".

::::I don't know about the French Connection, but if you look here, at [http://www.fanfiction.net/cartoon/Transformers_Beast_Wars/|Fanfiction.net's Transformers/Beast Wars section], you'll find LOTS of stories that use the terms "Mech" and "Femme". I especially recommend [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3739984/1/Sparks_and_Plasma|"Sparks and Plasma"], [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3743427/1/What_Time_We_Have_Left|"What Time We Have Left"] and [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/3789925/1/Night_Fire|"Night Fire"] as examples of stories that deal with male/female TF relationships in a tastefully and well-written way. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 15:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

One other thing tough. The online translator may be wrong. I have never ever herd the word "mec" used to refer to "pimp". There may be a confusion with "mac" who can basically be translated by "mack". But for "mec" the most accurate translation is "dude" never seen it used for "pimp". --[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Please use the Preview button so that you can make your comments using one edit instead of three.
:[http://books.google.com/books?id=-BcYAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=mec+french+pimp&source=web&ots=5k0ZgdPptF&sig=oIappLss_TdlXGAoliETFT6U5b4&hl=en This says mec = pimp.]
:
:[http://www.ideaswise.com/international_advertising.html Point 14 here says the same.]
:[http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=235&aid=75329 "He was a pimp, or in the French slang, a 'mec.'"]
:[http://stomptokyo.com/movies/irma-la-douce.html Also see the classic movie Irma La Douce, in which Jack Lemmon ends up as Shirley MacLaine's mec.]
:[[User:JW|JW]] 16:22, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Indeed, I found it too, it seems that the word effectively refer to pimp but in a more positive way (it actually can be translated as "official" lover of the prostitute). But nowadays, it is almost never used in that way and is only used for "dude". [http://www.cnrtl.fr/lexicographie/mec?]--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

No offense, but I don't know if it's within the scope of the wiki to delve this deeply into fanfiction culture.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:24, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Or French culture, for that matter.
:Anyway, I really don't think the current section of the page devoted to this should get any larger, but I think the brief mention we have is okay.
:Plus, the "mech = pimp" bit amuses me. (Corollary: I'm easy to amuse.) [[User:JW|JW]] 16:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:As I have said before,I didn't put the fandom part, I just mentioned the French origin of the term.--[[User:81.242.224.75|81.242.224.75]] 16:35, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

== Decepticon Females ==
Should we have a section in here about the relative scarcity of unqualified female Decepticons in high-profile franchises? ("Unqualified" in the sense of "not former Autobots gone bad".) [[User:JW|JW]] 14:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

: I think that would be a good idea, considering there's only 3 I can think of in North American releases -- Strika in Beast Machines, Flamewar in the Timelines comics (though those were BotCon exclusives so probably don't count) and Thunderblast in Cybertron. We need more bad girls that have always been bad, and will stay that way. I like the idea of '''SPOILERS''' Blackarachnia in Animated being Elita-1, but I would still like to see more pure Decepticon femmes as well. A movieverse Decepticon femme would be cool too.

:Hell, I'm just happy that Hasbro's finally realizing that girls [http://www.lilformers.com/comic0075.php] play with Transformers too. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Strika wasn't a ''Decepticon,'' and she (like Obsidian) might have been an Autobot before becoming a Vehicon. [[User:JW|JW]] 22:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Strika's faction, and indeed her role in Cybertron's history, are maddeningly vague.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 22:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, so that makes just one female Decepticon who has stayed a Decepticon EVER in any cartoon, and she's ...well, Thunderblast. *Sigh*. At least I can pretend my Arcee black repaint is Flamewar. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 22:46, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== "In fiction" articles ==
I was kind of wondering, this is one of the few articles not really written "in fiction". Large parts of it are "behind the scenes" kind of thing which are usually reserved to the Notes section. "Originally Simon Furman stated that he would not use female Transformers in IDW..." "Arcee was originally going to be featured as part of the cast of the Transformers film, but was cut..."

Are there some articles, like this one, where this is OK? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:32, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

I've been wanting to rewrite this article for ages for stuff like this, but well, I suck at writing. As far as I can see, this article has no justification to be an exception to the standards. I'd strongly prefer to see it become look more like a regular "trait"-article (like [[Mini-Cassette]] and [[Triple Changer]]). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:35, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

:I think this article is just fine the way it is, and an "in-universe" rewrite wouldn't improve it in any way. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:00, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:: We do have some out-of-universe articles because they tend to work better that way, such as [[Spark]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:30, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

== Gallery ==
Is it just me, or would the gallery of toys work better on the [[List of female Transformers]] page? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:48, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:At the very least, it should be on its own page, or, alternatively, a category, so there isn't 800kb of images on there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:22, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::Maybe a subpage/suite-type thing? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:24, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::To be honest, I don't see why we need it at all. We already have a list of female characters which links to all of their articles which have toy pictures at the bottom. Why the need to see them all in one place? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:41, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::I actually agree, but wasn't sure if others did. I brought it up because (if it really needs to be kept) this doesn't seem like the proper place to keep it. Your suggestion of a category is looking better and better. Anyone else want to weigh in? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:44, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::...I could note that we already ''have'' a [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:56, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::Probably best to remove the gallery and just insert a link to the category page, then. Of course, I still feel it should be on the "List" page instead of this one. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:00, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::There is little harm in having a link to a category in multiple places. --[[Special:Contributions/63.203.180.99|63.203.180.99]] 18:29, 9 December 2009 (EST)

::::::It's okay to be removed from the page, but I'd prefer moving to [[Female Transformer/toys]] as a subpage. [[:Category:Female Transformer toy images|Female Transformer toy images]] category can only show the image, but it is less organized (unlike [[Unreleased toy/gallery]] {{m-}} it doesn't include any link/character name/product name such as "[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia]]". (I create a toylist is because not all female characters have their own toys.) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 20:02, 9 December 2009 (EST)

:::::::As it is now, I don't see much point in keeping the toy gallery. However, I'd like to see it get a subpage if the bigger picture of feamle toy history can be put it as a "to sell toys"-explanation to why the fiction regarding female TFs is as it is. How female characters didn't/don't sell as well as male characters, cancellation of Beet Papil's toy, the lack of (non-redeco) toys for many female TFs, cancellation of Arcee's toys, the reason for Nightracer's existence, etc. Something like that should give a gallery a good reason to exist. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:10, 10 December 2009 (EST)
::::::::Just a quick note to let y'all know that I've just added a "Female Transformers toy" tag to all the Female TF toy images on the wiki. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:15, 13 December 2009 (EST)
===Archives===
Temporarily files which may be used for a subpage in some day.

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==Romances==
Should the romance section possibly be moved to its own article? It seems to be quite a bit large for a subsection of this one, and could reasonably be expanded upon. Some material from [[Reproduction]] might be relevant to such a new article as well. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:03, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:That might not be a bad idea... considering we have articles for stuff like relatives, reproduction, "sexuality" in the Humanization article, and robot/squishie romances, it seems like an odd omission to not really have a dedicated robot/robot romance article. Or rather, currently all of our robot/robot romance stuff is kind of scattered around in various places of said other articles. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 14:47, 26 December 2009 (EST)

:Actually, I have been wanting to write a "Romance" (because "Sexuality" is only a bit less correct term) article for quite some time, merging this article's Romance section, Robot-Fleshling romance and a bit from the Humanization article's Sexuality section into one (and adding a much-needed list of those cases in which a Transformer's interest didn't go to something alive). However, thus far I have not found the time to get to it. Would greatly appreciate to see someone else make a start. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:48, 26 December 2009 (EST)
:P.S., you know, if no one else does it within twelve hours, I will kick myself to finally do it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:04, 26 December 2009 (EST)
::<strike>[[User:Ninjabot33/Romance|Done]]. Feel free to give advice in it's talk page 'cos it's not that great. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 17:55, 13 January 2010 (EST)</strike>
:::You may want to join forces with Geewunling: "User:Geewunling/Romance-Sandbox" --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:03, 13 January 2010 (EST)
:::Now that page has already been made that sandbox is no longer needed. --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 12:20, 2 February 2010 (EST)
::::If you want to ditch it entirely, you can stick a <tt>'''{{tl|speedy}}'''</tt> tag (for speedy delete) on the top of the page with a note that you don't need it, and that will let the admins know to delete it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:47, 2 February 2010 (EST)

==Ratchet==
I feel the fact that G1 Ratchet was [[:Image:G1RatchetSexchange.jpg|originally going to be female]] needs to be brought up on this page somehow. I'm at a loss as to how, though. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:52, 31 December 2010 (EST)
:It should, but then again, this page is lacking a lot. I've tried several months ago to make a [[User:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox|completely new fT article]], but quit when I realized the design wasn't working. Still have to pick it up again, but in the meantime everyone else is invited to edit it or drop suggestions on the talk page. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:43, 31 December 2010 (EST)

== Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves ==

The obvious question is: if it is beyond the scope of the wiki, why is it in the opening paragraph? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:32, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
:Because maybe, just maybe, awareness of a bigger problem and how it affects our little object-de-fandom ''might'' be worth mentioning? Just a thought. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:40, 11 September 2013 (EDT)
::I don't think this is an issue the wiki can just dip its toe into. The way it sounds now it is like the wiki is playing dumb, like it has ''no idea'' why there are few females. It sounds like the wiki thinks Cybertron is a real place that should have a realistic male/female ratio of alien robots or something. As if there actually ''is'' a realistic ratio of male and female alien robots. In reality, it isn't a mystery any more than it is a mystery why all the important Ponies are girls. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:23, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
:::You're ''deliberately'' being obtuse and stupid, right? Verify this for us, please. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:48, 12 September 2013 (EDT)
starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Knock Out (Prime)

2013-09-13T02:43:35Z

Starfield: /* Question about what side he's on? */

[[Image:DeusExMachina-Knockout.jpg|right|thumb]]

Jeez, dudes, he makes one comment about Prime's tires, and he's the next Side Burn? [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 00:43, 13 March 2011 (EST)
:I removed it, but apparently someone called Detour took issue with that and reverted me. --[[User:Peter Damian|Peter Damian]] 05:24, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Because your words are not law. First of all, the stealth link is there to show precedence, not to say "DUDE HE'S THE EXACT SAME AS SIDEBURN", and second because he does appear to have a serious thing going on for cars... especially Prime. He's gay for Optimus. His comment about Prime was a character-defining moment that really belongs in the intro paragraph. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::I think "gay for Optimus" is a little strong. I do think the note should stay, because it is pretty notable that Knock Out shows up next to Optimus complimenting him on his rims and build. We've built up intro paragraphs on less, and schmoozing Optimus's looks isn't really an everyday occurrence in Transformers. That, coupled with Starscream's "Oh, you're one of THOSE." Oh, right, and he compliments Optimus because he reminds him of his [[Breakdown (WFC)|Partner]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:27, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::::I may be too old to know for sure, but wasn't he just taunting Prime? The way the kids these days talk? I mean, he was setting Prime up to get blasted, which might indicate it wasn't legitimate schmoozing. Just a thought. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:21, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I don't think Knock Out was legitimately trying to make out with Optimus, no. Try to make him uncomfortable or set him off his game, probably. That doesn't mean his compliments were empty. I think he meant it, but was using it as a disorienting weapon, not as a "I WILL TOTALLY DO YOU LATER" sort of thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:26, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::Whenever something like that line turns into a pun, I guess I kind of discount it as character development. But double entendres, I guess. Off to watch the dang episode again. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 17:49, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Actually, it's my opinion that Knock Out was admiring "the awesome truck parked over there," not Optimus. He showed no signs of recognizing Prime as a Transformers until he, um, transformed. Breakdown fired at the building, not at Optimus. But that's just me.
:::::::- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 23:20, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah, I never thought Knock Out knew Prime was a robot. He was just a cool looking truck that Knock Out wanted to ...do whatever with. I mean, you're a medic and the leader of your opposing faction is sitting right there, you generally don't go up to him all HEY BIG BOY HOW'S IT HANGIN' (unless you're Comics Ratchet, I mean). [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 07:57, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::If he didn't know it was a Transformer, then I'd expect some reaction shot from him when he found out. He's also clearly introducing Optimus to Breakdown, who will shoot him, which otherwise makes no sense. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:16, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Personally I think he was just complimenting Prime's truck mode without knowing it was Optimus. He's in love with himself. Any accusations that he's gay will be the same thing as G1 Tracks.[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 14:01, 20 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Also I think we should change things around a bit. I think he only likes cars because he thinks they're cool not because they remind him of Breakdown. Was there an official source that said this?[[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 00:34, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::"You're reeeeeeaaaaaaaal heavy-duty, just like my friend here." The statement in the article is factual: He likes big trucks, and he thinks they're like Breakdown. Your "because" is something you read into it. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 01:07, 21 March 2011 (EDT)
Starscream's "you're one of ''those''" line is a rhetorical device letting everybody know that the cartoon isn't going to go there. Since he immediately explained that he was taking about car-mode Decepticons. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:02, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

== GAY? ==

That's a little inapropriate for a show that children watch, and I'm sure he just likes cars and commented on Optimus to distract him.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 13:46, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
:I'd say the brutal death, zombiefication and further brutal manglings of Cliffjumper and the constant brutal eradication of Vehicon troopers are far more inappropriate for a children's show than a bot who likes other dudebots. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:57, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::If it were humans, yes, but robots, parents probably don't care much.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 14:23, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Then why do you care? Are you afraid there'll be gay bot marriage or gay bot sex? They don't even have straight bot marriage or straight bot sex. And honestly, leaving homosexuals out of the show could give out a bad message, you know? "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings, except homos, gross!" -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:08, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm getting Tramp flashbacks from this conversation.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 18:32, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
:You are inappropriate for children. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:33, 3 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::I personally don't care, but parents might overreact and try to sue Hasbro or some shit.--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 16:29, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
::::::Sue them over what, exactly? Take your conspiracy theories to a forum, please. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:35, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
: What a great birthday present, this person. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:05, 7 April 2011 (EDT)
:: All I'm saying they wouldn't suggest him being gay, because of very critical parents who are offended by that. And this is to Spin-Out: Why?--[[User:Primo|Primo]] 15:19, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Sexual innuendo can happen in kids shows, dude. Sexual innuendo's like half of Beast Wars. But I have a feeling that it's not these fictional parents you're invoking who really has the problem here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:58, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:::Odd that the parents would have a problem with implications that a character might be gay, but have no problems with death and grisly dismemberment. Not to mention fake profanity. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:48, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
::::Which I already pointed out to him at the very beginning of this nonsense. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:51, 8 April 2011 (EDT)
:::::Truth be told, a lot of people have a bigger problem with sex/sexuality than violence (heck, didn't the TF:P crew say they could do violence but not swearing? Not my idea of taboo hierarchy either). Of course, this doesn't change the fact that Primo over here is trying to keep a clean slate by presenting his problem as someone else's problem he's merely trying to raise awareness off. Which I don't get either, because the note states this is how fans interpret it, not that the TF:P crew intended it this way. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:39, 9 April 2011 (EDT)
::I don't think it's something worth mentioning in the page (probably 100% coincidence), but his Knock Out voice is exactly the same as his Mercurymon voice from Digimon, which was a character that wore prominent makeup in both its forms. It's pretty clear that Knock Out's at least ''acting'' as if he's homosexual.[[Special:Contributions/98.222.213.161|98.222.213.161]] 16:01, 14 May 2011 (EDT)

== On a COMPLETELY different topic... ==

Anyone object to changing Knock Out's quote to "I'm not just an automobile; I'm an automobile enthusiast"? It's basically just a better phrasing of the current quote, anyway.
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 2:37 PM, 10 April 2011 A.D.
: I was gonna just go ahead and do that anyway, because I can, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. In other words, go ahead. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:46, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

== EDIT ==
I edited out the part in notes claiming the Botcon comment was "unintentionally insulting" because someone's personal feelings on the matter of a joke does not belong in a wiki, even the TFwiki. Please, do not put in your personal feelings on a subject when this is meant to be objectively informative and not an opinionated exposition. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]
:This isn't "personal feelings". Comparing homosexuality to a glitch ''is'' insulting to homosexuals, regardless of whether or not the comment was intentionally insulting. It certainly seems more like your personal feelings on the matter are what's making you remove it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:00, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
::You are viewing it as your opinion that it is insulting. My personal feelings on the matter are not what is making me remove it, it is the fact that your opinions on what you make the comment out to be are leaking into the entry, where it does not belong. There is no need to say that it is an insulting comment, because it is not. It was not meant to be insulting, and the only way things can be "unintentionally insulting" is when you use your personal feelings and views to interpret a comment. Again, wiki articles should be objective, and it is your personal opinion that it was insulting. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]
:::Please pick up a dictionary and look up the definition of '''''unintentional'''''. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:08, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I am well aware of what the word "unintentional" means, but you are making it out as an insult, intentional or not, when it is not meant as such in any regard. Again, it is you viewing and interpreting the comment through your own opinions and feelings which makes it insulting in any regard, and it is, yet again, not something worth contributing to any wiki article. It is but one phrase that the article can do without. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]
:::::'''Words mean things'''. To compare homosexuality to a glitch IS insulting, regardless of whether it was intended or not. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:16, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::[http://genderbitch.wordpress.com/2010/01/23/intent-its-fucking-magic/ Intent! It's friggin' magic.] --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:53, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::A glitch caused a ''robot'' to be homosexual-ish. On a scale of shocking statements, that... doesn't seem all that shocking, honestly. If he were human it would be one thing, but he's a robot. It would be like if a glitch in the AllSpark caused a robot to crave pizza, or wear pants, or any number of things robots don't ordinarily do. Not really an insult to pizza lovers and pants wearers. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 03:47, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::You cannot simply divorce a statement from its real world context just because it's about a fictional robot. "Pizza lovers" and "pants wearers" do not face discrimination, bigotry, and hatred. Your comparison is absurd. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 16:22, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::The context ''is'' fictional robots. Applying it to the real world would be ''taking it out of context''. That's just how "context" works. They talked about how there was no "gay" or "straight" on Cybertron, then, in order to explain Knock Out's otherwise unexplainable behavior (because there is no gay or straight on Cybertron), they said a glitch in the AllSpark did it. [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:53, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::No, the ''context'' is the systemic oppression of.... eh, never mind you clearly don't get it at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:31, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::This is an article on Knock Out, not an article on the semantics of what was said and what wasn't said. This isn't a critique on the perceived injustices or political incorrectness of a Botcon panel, this is about Knock Out. Your feelings on the matter are irrelevant to the page's content.[[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]]
:::::::I'm sorry, but TFWiki ''is'' about pointing out these sorts of things, be they [[Denton J. Tipton|editors blaming gaffes on fans]] or [[Pat Lee|unscrupulous business practices]] or, yes, comments that turn out unintentionally insulting.. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:31, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
:If I said "There was a glitch in the AllSpark the day that Fred was created", Fred would be more then justified to treat that as an insult. I don't see why this is any different. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:45, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
: So if I said "God had a bad case of the squirty-shits the day Mangytron was born", that wouldn't be insulting? Good to know! (And yes, the "glitch" quote IS insulting.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:35, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
:You are all taking this entirely out of context. The TFwiki should be objective and abstain from personal feelings and comments. The articles should not reflect the author's opinions, but simply the content. If you are going to insult me because I am trying to be objective and have some level of quality, then that is very childish of you, considering I have done nothing of the sort. Again, that comment is reflected solely on opinion and not fact. That is the end of this asinine discussion. The TFwiki is about Transformers, not commentary on socially offensive jokes or phrases expressed through a Botcon panel joke. Keep that on TF message boards. The Wiki is not your soapbox. That is all. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 22:22, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
::I'm sorry, but considering the Wiki's moderators (abates and M Sipher) are disagreeing with you, I'd say you're not in any position to say what the Wiki is and isn't for. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:26, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I do very much enjoy the redlinked newcomer lecturing the admin what the site is all about. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:34, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
::::I know the fandom is big now and all but jesus, it's like, the posters here are Sipher and Walky and frickin' me, and you're all YOU SHOULDN'T BE POSTING OPINIONS AND STUFF ON ARTICLES motherfucker why do you think we took over this thing in the first place? WE ARE HERE TO GRIND OUR AXES. GRINDY GRINDY GRINDY. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 22:49, 13 June 2011 (EDT)
::You're several years and 13,451 articles too late to try and dictate what this wiki is and isn't, which makes your claims of lack of context all the funnier. Also, "some level of quality" has not remotely been proven on your part, inasmuch the ''only'' thing you've done here is get in an edit war and try and tell everyone what we ''should'' be doing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:09, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

I guess I'm a glitch! (So not helping, am I?) Let's all back off and breathe a bit. No matter what we say, someone somewhere is going to get offended. [[User:AUGH AUGH AUGH|AUGH AUGH AUGH]] 01:52, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

This is all a rather silly issue, particularly given how informal this wiki is and always has been. Leave it as is, and if you disagree, get over it. Go have some ice cream. It should cheer you up. [[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 03:36, 14 June 2011 (EDT)

[http://rockdown.tumblr.com/post/6513500039/if-i-could-have-the-transformers-fandoms-attention-for I think this is the living definition of "crying some more".] - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:54, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:The first comment being "They're faggots!" really brings this all home, doesn't it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:58, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:All I'm getting from that is "MY HIVEMIND IS BETTER THAN YOURS! NYAH NYAH NYAH-NYAH!". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:07, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:Ahhh. Hilarity. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:27, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:Gaybashing: it's not just for the neurotypical anymore. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:06, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::And since Chris opened the gateways, I ended up finding Mangrytron's topic that led him here to kick up a storm. [http://doodlebob.tumblr.com/post/6503456665/darthshadow-when-asked-at-botcon-2011-the My favorite line has to be "Do you seriously all have nothing better to do than whine about the most inane of issues and act as if that’s the reason The Man is holdin’ you all down?".] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:42, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:lol you guys went through the trouble to find my tumblr blog and act as if i'm gaybashing or something else entirely retarded like that. i didn't insult you, i didn't attack you, and you're all going apeshit over nothing. stay classy TF fandom. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 21:00, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::We will. And you can stay 15. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:06, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::Wow, you telling US to stay classy? Anyone who refers to someone as a "nasty fat fanc**t" has lost their right to tell someone else to stay classy. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:09, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:::protip: that wasn't me who said it but [http://rockdown.tumblr.com a friend of mine], but go ahead and get angry at the words being said. That's all any of you seem to be doing; getting angry over words that hold no weight or mean anything at all. Really, you're insulting me, going out of your way to say I'm gaybashing and implying I'm homophobic because I say a wiki should be an objective source of information and not a place to voice your opinions. That's how all GOOD Wikis are run, but none of you are concerned about being good, you're just concerned about voicing your loud and rather inane opinions. Calm your asses down and realize that I haven't attacked anyone; the only one who is attacking anyone is you guys. Or don't calm down and continue on. It's really, really funny. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 21:15, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::We haven't insulted you, our words hold no weight or meaning. If you choose to be offended by them, that's your problem. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:20, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::I'm not offended by it, I just thought I'd point out the fact you're all trying to paint me in a light where I'm some homophobic, uncaring, gaybasher is really immature, especially when I did no such thing to any of you from the get-go. The funny thing is, I'm not even straight. [[User:Mangrytron|Mangrytron]] 21:28, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::You'd be surprised just how many homophobes aren't straight. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:32, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::Good for you. As a gay person, I'm still calling you socially dense and immature. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend that subtle homophobia doesn't exist and that words have "no weight or mean anything at all", feel free to do so and leave the rest of us alone. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:37, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::I'm going to echo Interrobang's comments. Also, the best part is all that drama over on tumblr will do nothing but net TFWiki more page visits and more free publicity. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:59, 14 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::That's like being one of those people who says, "I'm not racist! I have lots of black friends!" It doesn't help your case. I know this whole thing has been retreaded to hell and back, but I felt necessary to put in my two cents on the matter. The initial statement they made at Botcon was cute; about the Decepticons having a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy. That's funny, and avoids addressing the issue without making anyone feel uncomfortable. The follow-up, on the other hand, is a slap, because it means that any characters that exhibit that behavior (be it actual homorobosexualism or just narcissism to an nth degree) are a MISTAKE. Which means that their personality traits are a MISTAKE. And I'm sorry, that just doesn't sit well, regardless of what personality traits are in question. It's like saying the Allspak glitched when it made Optimus, causing him to be heroic. It doesn't matter if it's decrying homosexuality at that point, it's saying that a character's primary character traits are wrong, and caused by a screw-up in their creation. If you can't see how ''this'' would be insulting, there is no hope for you.

::::::Also, for the record, I for one welcome our homosexual robot overlords. --[[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 03:48, 12 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Actually I DON'T see how it is insulting. A "glitch" in the AllSpark is the TF equivalent of a mutation. And homosexuality is a mutation. But so is heterosexuality. And so is sex in general. And blue eyes. And brown hair. And five fingers. And the scent glands of skunks. And the manes of lions. And purple flowers. And photosynthesis. And any other trait with any degree of genetic causation. ALL current lifeforms are mutations, mutation is an "error" or "mistake" in the DNA, therefore ALL lifeforms are mistakes. Glitches, if you will. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:43, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::::With all due respect, Khajidha, but you don't know what a mutation is. Or a glitch. Or context. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:50, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::As a biology instructor I should hope I know what a mutation is. But as a teacher, I could probably have phrased my statements better. I was not talking of a trait as a mutation that occurs when each lifeform originates, but of each trait as originating in evolutionary history by means of mutation. The mutation that led to sex occurred hundreds of millions of years ago, but it was a mutation just the same. ALL life is different from the initial life form. In fact, the first self-replicating molecule (lifeform if you will) was RNA based. DNA itself is a change, a mutation, an error, a glitch. To me, the statement that a possible robo-homosexuality is due to a glitch in the AllSpark is the equivalent of saying that human homosexuality is due to a genetic cause (not a choice), and I fail to see how that is something the homosexual community is upset about. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:08, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::A mutation is not a glitch. A glitch is a fault, that results in something not working properly. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:15, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::Which is what a mutation is. The mutated DNA strand does not function the way the original strand did, the way it is "supposed" to work. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:31, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Except that a mutation can still create something that works properly. A glitch outright causes an error. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:36, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Just so everyone knows, the ''context'' is that a glitch caused a giant robot from a planet that doesn't even have "gay" or "straight" to act gay-like. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 15:51, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::On the barest side of technicality, Khajidha is right and Detour is wrong about mutations being glitches (but not at all to say that the BotCon line wasn't insulting. If you have to say "barely technically", then it should have been phrased better). Any mutation, whether it improves the chances of survival, lowers them, or doesn't effect them, is a glitch in DNA's process. As a reminder, that process is to ''exactly'' transcribe the existing strands. Mutations are not a purposeful, "natural" mechanic of DNA transcription -- DNA transcription doesn't have a "for this part, choose a base pair at random" step. The overwhelming majority of mutations are actually caused by the near-constant damage to DNA that results from base pairs that contain radioactive isotopes undergoing decay; I believe the rate is "6 mutations per second", but that was from one of Asimov's old papers, so it's probably far out-of-date.
:So on the ''barest'' side of the matter, calling it a "glitch" is a perfectly legitimate, not-necessarily-biased way to describe it. However, BotCon really should have realized that the primary way to interpret that is as a glitch in ''Knock-Out'', not the "process of RNA (that's what robots have, right?) transcription", sooo...yeah, it's unintentionally insulting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 16:25, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
::They didn't say "glitches are how every Transformer is made". They said "There was a glitch THAT DAY when Knock Out was made". They're using glitch in the electronics term, not the silly "robotic equivalent of a DNA mutation" way that Khajidha is touting. After all, as he says... mutations happen all the time. But computer glitches are outright error that cause a program not to work properly, or at all. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:33, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:::Oy, really? Then yeah, that's f'd up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:25, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
::For reference, I didn't go to any trouble - I just found it when someone who has issues with the wiki posted a link it on Twitter, and even THEY thought you were being ridiculous. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 04:48, 15 June 2011 (EDT)

== Authoritorial Intent. ==

Was one of the reasons for Knock Out's name change really because Lugnut wasn't sexy enough? Or are we just going with the flow of the article? Because I've never seen the Notes section as a place for joking as such. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 17:03, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:Yes to your first question. Although the claim needs to be sourced. BotCon, I think? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:14, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
::I believe it was said at BotCon, yeah. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:17, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Question about what side he's on? ==

in the Finale Episode of Season 3 he attempted to switched sides, Miko knocked him out before he got any answer from Optimus Prime, but knowing Prime he more then likely would have said yes (with some guidelines) so is he now an Autobot or at least a "Non-Aligned" Transformer? [[User:Chasemarc1701|Chasemarc1701]] 19:23, 27 July 2013 (EDT)
:Until we know otherwise, stick with Decepticon. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:57, 27 July 2013 (EDT)

My logic: If TFP-Prime can have a little Decepticon symbol at the top of his page for that time he was Orion Pax, then I don't see what the problem is, but just to be sure, we should probably wait until Predacons Rising comes out to confirm his allegiance. {{unsigned|PunchSydeiron|22:20, September 12, 2013 (EDT)}}
:He would have to be admitted into the Autobots as a member. Decepticons have allied themselves with the Autobots in other continuities and remained Decepticons. I'm thinking specifically of the Unicron Trilogy. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:43, 12 September 2013 (EDT)

Talk:Female Transformer

2013-09-12T21:23:03Z

Starfield: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */

Talk:Female Transformer

2013-09-12T03:32:36Z

Starfield: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ new section

The Gathering Storm

2013-09-11T13:53:07Z

Starfield: /* Errors */ These were fixed in the trade paperback.

{{comicstory|seriesissue=''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' #1
|next=To the Death—and Beyond!
|title="The Gathering Storm"
|image=TAM 1.jpg
|caption=Watch where you point that thing, Arcee!
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[October 25]], [[2006]]
|coverdate=October 2006
|writer=[[Bob Budiansky]]
|designer=[[Neil Uyetake]]
|artist=[[Don Figueroa]]
|colorist=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letterer=[[Robbie Robbins]], Neil Uyetake
|editor=[[Chris Ryall]]
|continuity=[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''As a deadly universal threat looms, two leaders fight their final battle—one shall stand and one shall fall.'''

== Synopsis ==
[[Image:IDWG1Movie_TheGatheringStorm_UnicrondevoursLithone.jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]
Unicron attacks a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]-like planet and only two scientists—Kranix and Arblus—manage to escape in a ship before the planet is destroyed.

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s plan to retake Cybertron from the [[Decepticon]]s. Optimus Prime tells Ironhide to make a special trip to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on [[Earth]] to obtain the energon needed for an assault, but unfortunately the conversation was recorded by Laserbeak. After Laserbeak relays the information to Megatron, he leads a team to attack the shuttle, killing the crew, and continuing to Earth in the shuttle to take the Autobots by surprise.

Outside Autobot City, Hot Rod and Daniel enjoy a peaceful day of fishing. They take a break to watch the shuttle land, but discover that it's full of Decepticons, who exit and attack Autobot City. Perceptor also notices the attack and warns Ultra Magnus, who gives orders for his team to transform Autobot City to battle mode and for Blaster to contact Prime for reinforcements. Starscream's foot gets trapped in the transforming city, forcing him to blast it to escape.

Hot Rod and Daniel make it inside the city, along with Kup, running over some [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] in the process. When Blaster begins to broadcast to get help from Prime, Soundwave unleashes his minions to stop the transmission. Blaster, however, has his own team to fight back.

The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] merge into Devastator to breach the city's defenses, which takes an entire day. But as it seems that all hope is lost, Prime arrives in another shuttle and immediately orders the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] to attack Devastator. On his way to battle Megatron, Prime singlehandedly takes out a large group of Decepticons. Prime and Megatron battle fiercely and both are injured. Megatron fakes a surrender and attempts to use a nearby gun to attack Optimus, but Hot Rod sees what's going on and attempts to intervene. Megatron grabs Hot Rod, though, and uses him as a shield while he mortally wounds Optimus Prime. Prime, however, still has the strength for a blow that sends Megatron over a cliff.

Starscream orders the Decepticons to board Astrotrain and retreat, while Soundwave takes the gravely injured Megatron aboard. Prime is dying though, telling those around him that he is soon to be one with the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (4)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (5)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (6)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (7)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (9)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (10)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (16)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (18)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (19)
* [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (21)
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (22)
* [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (30)
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (31)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (32)
* [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (33)
* [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (34)
* [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (35)
* [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (40)
* [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] (41)
* [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (42)
* [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (43)
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] (45)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (46)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (47)
* [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (50)
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (51)
* [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (52)
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (53)
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (54)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (55)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (56)
|c2=
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (12)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (13)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (14)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (15)
* [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (17)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (23)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (24)
* [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (25)
* [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (26)
* [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] (27)
* [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] (28)
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] (29)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (36)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (37)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (38)
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (39)
* [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (44)
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (48)
* [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (49)
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (57)
|c3=
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (8)
* [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (20)
|c4=
* [[Unicron]] (1)
* [[Arblus]] (2)
* [[Kranix]] (3)
}}

==Notes==
[[Image:ArceeButt.jpg|right|250px|thumb|DAT ASS.]]
* Cover A of this issue was reused as one side of the DVD cover for [[Madman Entertainment|Madman Entertainment's]] special edition DVD of the movie.
*An Autobot similar to Beachcomber lies dead on the floor next to Wheeljack and Windcharger.
*Snarl is with the Dinobots in each appearance.
*In the first panel where you meet her, Arcee has... a rather shapely behind, resembling a [[human]] female wearing a thong. ([[:Image:SpacePirates_Arcee_Bunsofsteel.jpg|Again.]]) Don Figueroa explained this was a joke.{{fact}}

===Errors===
* Many, many speech bubbles are misplaced, such as Perceptor speaking to himself and Hot Rod proclaiming Prime's wounds terminal. (A bit suspect, that...) Also, Shrapnel and Kickback's speech bubbles are reversed in one panel, as are Perceptor and Ultra Magnus's in another panel. These were fixed in the trade paperback.

===Differences between the film and comic===
[[Image:TAM TPB Gestalt Fight.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Okay, sure, but where's [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]?]]
* In the trade paperback, after the cassette battle in the communications tower, a bonus scene is included in which [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] battle [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] outside the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', intended to serve as an explanation for why the characters were not present at Autobot City in the movie.
* The reference to the year the story is set in is gone.
* Ironhide no longer says his last line, and Megatron's response of "such heroic nonsense!" is also absent.
* Lookout Mountain is not named. The entire sequence with Megatron destroying the mountain, Hot Rod's encounter with Blitzwing and his team-up with Kup is gone as well.
* When he sees the purple gun, Megatron says "one last chance to snatch victory from defeat"—a somewhat silly thing to do, as it must surely tell Optimus he's up to something...
{{--}}

===Covers (2)===
{{picsneeded|Cover RI}}
* '''Cover A''': Ultra Magnus and the Autobots vs Unicron and the Decepticons (based upon the original US movie poster), by Don Figueroa and Josh Burcham
* '''Cover RI-A''': Uncolored sketch of cover A

===Advertisements===
* Optimus Prime [[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]] toy
* ''[[Spotlight: Nightbeat]]'', including a 6-page preview
* Transformers posters
* ''[[The Transformers: Infiltration|Infiltration]]'' TPB
* ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' 20th Anniversary DVD (back cover)

===Reprints===
*2007 — ''[[The Transformers: Greatest Battles of Optimus Prime and Megatron]]''
*2007 — ''[[The Transformers: The Best of Don Figueroa]]''
*2010 — ''[[The Transformers: Best of Optimus Prime]]''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Gathering Storm}}
[[Category:Adaptations]]
[[Category:Transformers: The Animated Movie issues]]

The Gathering Storm

2013-09-11T13:38:15Z

Starfield: /* Notes */ An Autobot similar to Beachcomber lies dead on the floor...

{{comicstory|seriesissue=''[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]'' #1
|next=To the Death—and Beyond!
|title="The Gathering Storm"
|image=TAM 1.jpg
|caption=Watch where you point that thing, Arcee!
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[October 25]], [[2006]]
|coverdate=October 2006
|writer=[[Bob Budiansky]]
|designer=[[Neil Uyetake]]
|artist=[[Don Figueroa]]
|colorist=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letterer=[[Robbie Robbins]], Neil Uyetake
|editor=[[Chris Ryall]]
|continuity=[[The Transformers (cartoon)|Cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''As a deadly universal threat looms, two leaders fight their final battle—one shall stand and one shall fall.'''

== Synopsis ==
[[Image:IDWG1Movie_TheGatheringStorm_UnicrondevoursLithone.jpg|thumb|left|250px|]]
Unicron attacks a [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]-like planet and only two scientists—Kranix and Arblus—manage to escape in a ship before the planet is destroyed.

Elsewhere, the [[Autobot]]s plan to retake Cybertron from the [[Decepticon]]s. Optimus Prime tells Ironhide to make a special trip to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on [[Earth]] to obtain the energon needed for an assault, but unfortunately the conversation was recorded by Laserbeak. After Laserbeak relays the information to Megatron, he leads a team to attack the shuttle, killing the crew, and continuing to Earth in the shuttle to take the Autobots by surprise.

Outside Autobot City, Hot Rod and Daniel enjoy a peaceful day of fishing. They take a break to watch the shuttle land, but discover that it's full of Decepticons, who exit and attack Autobot City. Perceptor also notices the attack and warns Ultra Magnus, who gives orders for his team to transform Autobot City to battle mode and for Blaster to contact Prime for reinforcements. Starscream's foot gets trapped in the transforming city, forcing him to blast it to escape.

Hot Rod and Daniel make it inside the city, along with Kup, running over some [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] in the process. When Blaster begins to broadcast to get help from Prime, Soundwave unleashes his minions to stop the transmission. Blaster, however, has his own team to fight back.

The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] merge into Devastator to breach the city's defenses, which takes an entire day. But as it seems that all hope is lost, Prime arrives in another shuttle and immediately orders the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] to attack Devastator. On his way to battle Megatron, Prime singlehandedly takes out a large group of Decepticons. Prime and Megatron battle fiercely and both are injured. Megatron fakes a surrender and attempts to use a nearby gun to attack Optimus, but Hot Rod sees what's going on and attempts to intervene. Megatron grabs Hot Rod, though, and uses him as a shield while he mortally wounds Optimus Prime. Prime, however, still has the strength for a blow that sends Megatron over a cliff.

Starscream orders the Decepticons to board Astrotrain and retreat, while Soundwave takes the gravely injured Megatron aboard. Prime is dying though, telling those around him that he is soon to be one with the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]].

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (4)
* [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (5)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (6)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (7)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (9)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (10)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (16)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (18)
* [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (19)
* [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (21)
* [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] (22)
* [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (30)
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (31)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (32)
* [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] (33)
* [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (34)
* [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] (35)
* [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (40)
* [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] (41)
* [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] (42)
* [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (43)
* [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] (45)
* [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] (46)
* [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] (47)
* [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] (50)
* [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (51)
* [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (52)
* [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] (53)
* [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] (54)
* [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (55)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (56)
|c2=
* [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] (11)
* [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] (12)
* [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (13)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (14)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (15)
* [[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (17)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (23)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (24)
* [[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (25)
* [[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (26)
* [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] (27)
* [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]] (28)
* [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] (29)
* [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (36)
* [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] (37)
* [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] (38)
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] (39)
* [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] (44)
* [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (48)
* [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (49)
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (57)
|c3=
* [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] (8)
* [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (20)
|c4=
* [[Unicron]] (1)
* [[Arblus]] (2)
* [[Kranix]] (3)
}}

==Notes==
[[Image:ArceeButt.jpg|right|250px|thumb|DAT ASS.]]
* Cover A of this issue was reused as one side of the DVD cover for [[Madman Entertainment|Madman Entertainment's]] special edition DVD of the movie.
*An Autobot similar to Beachcomber lies dead on the floor next to Wheeljack and Windcharger.
*Snarl is with the Dinobots in each appearance.
*In the first panel where you meet her, Arcee has... a rather shapely behind, resembling a [[human]] female wearing a thong. ([[:Image:SpacePirates_Arcee_Bunsofsteel.jpg|Again.]]) Don Figueroa explained this was a joke.{{fact}}

===Errors===
* Many, many speech bubbles are misplaced, such as Perceptor speaking to himself and Hot Rod proclaiming Prime's wounds terminal. (A bit suspect, that...) Also, Shrapnel and Kickback's speech bubbles are reversed in one panel, as are Perceptor and Ultra Magnus's in another panel.

===Differences between the film and comic===
[[Image:TAM TPB Gestalt Fight.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Okay, sure, but where's [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]?]]
* In the trade paperback, after the cassette battle in the communications tower, a bonus scene is included in which [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] battle [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] outside the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', intended to serve as an explanation for why the characters were not present at Autobot City in the movie.
* The reference to the year the story is set in is gone.
* Ironhide no longer says his last line, and Megatron's response of "such heroic nonsense!" is also absent.
* Lookout Mountain is not named. The entire sequence with Megatron destroying the mountain, Hot Rod's encounter with Blitzwing and his team-up with Kup is gone as well.
* When he sees the purple gun, Megatron says "one last chance to snatch victory from defeat"—a somewhat silly thing to do, as it must surely tell Optimus he's up to something...
{{--}}

===Covers (2)===
{{picsneeded|Cover RI}}
* '''Cover A''': Ultra Magnus and the Autobots vs Unicron and the Decepticons (based upon the original US movie poster), by Don Figueroa and Josh Burcham
* '''Cover RI-A''': Uncolored sketch of cover A

===Advertisements===
* Optimus Prime [[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]] toy
* ''[[Spotlight: Nightbeat]]'', including a 6-page preview
* Transformers posters
* ''[[The Transformers: Infiltration|Infiltration]]'' TPB
* ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' 20th Anniversary DVD (back cover)

===Reprints===
*2007 — ''[[The Transformers: Greatest Battles of Optimus Prime and Megatron]]''
*2007 — ''[[The Transformers: The Best of Don Figueroa]]''
*2010 — ''[[The Transformers: Best of Optimus Prime]]''

{{DEFAULTSORT:Gathering Storm}}
[[Category:Adaptations]]
[[Category:Transformers: The Animated Movie issues]]

File:Scoop-deluxe-generations.jpg

2013-09-10T23:04:06Z

Starfield: with Holepunch (G1)| and Tracer (Nebulan)|.

Official stock photo of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Deluxe Class [[Scoop (G1)#Generations|Scoop]] toy, with [[Holepunch (G1)|Holepunch]] and [[Tracer (Nebulan)|Tracer]].

{{Generationsstock}}

Talk:Beachcomber (G1)

2013-09-10T21:24:22Z

Starfield: /* Dead in the Animated Movie comic adaption? */

Christ on a Cone of Tragedy, that opening profile is about four times longer than it needs to be. Ramp it BACK. Bigtime. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:55, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

:Agreed. There is a lot of redundancy in it. Even removing that would drastically shorten it. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:40, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

My apologies on that, I'm fairly new to the whole wiki thing, just started adding info about the toy modes then thought I'd add info to the rest and I guess I was a little verbose.

==Welkerian proportions==
Should any mention be made of Beachcomber being one of the three Autobot characters that [[wikipedia:Alan_Oppenheimer|Alan Oppenheimer]] supplies the voice for,the other two being [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] and [[Seaspray (G1)|Seaspray]]. He is also the voice of [[wikipedia:Mer-man|Merman]],which is why Seaspray sounds like him. [[User:ChoHIlqoq|ChoHIlqoq]] 04:14, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just FYI, because I'm still quite new at this and buzzing on gin, but I made a grammar fix (changed 'were' to 'was') somewhere in the beginning of his G! spiel - and I wasn't logged in at the time. So, that was me. [[User:Pcgneurotic|Pcgneurotic]] 12:55, 23 December 2011 (EST)

== Dead in the Animated Movie comic adaption? ==

If the note [[The_Gathering_Storm|here]] is correct - that Beachcomber was shown dead in the 2006 comic adaptation - it'd be worth a little section on this page, along with an image. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:27, 10 September 2013 (EDT)
:Also also, there really should be an image of him from Spotlight: Blaster, and a bit longer explanation of his role in that issue's events. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:28, 10 September 2013 (EDT)
:There is ''someone'' there, in the corner of the panel. If it is Beachcomber, he is off-model and off-color, but I can't think of anyone else it could be. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:24, 10 September 2013 (EDT)

Doubledealer

2013-09-08T15:32:07Z

Starfield: /* Generations */

{{factions|autobot|decepticon}}
{{picsneeded|Toy image.}}
:''Doubledealer is an [[Autobot]] and a [[Decepticon]] [[Powermaster]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]. In some continuities he goes by the separate names '''Double''' and '''Dealer''' as well.''

[[Image:Doubledealer boxart.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I've got something for you...the lowest-cost SR-22!"]]
'''Doubledealer''' is unique among Transformers as he holds a place in both the Autobot and Decepticon armies. The truth, however, is that this ruthless mechanoid is a mercenary loyal only to whomever is paying him, and then only if no better offer catches his eye. At times, even his own partners are unaware of all of Doubledealer's duplicitous dealings. His skills and power make him a valuable asset to both sides, but neither really trust him as far as they could throw a [[Guardian robot]].

Doubledealer is also almost unique among [[Powermaster]]s in possessing two [[Binary bonding|binary bonded]] partners, [[Knok]] and [[Skar (Decepticon)|Skar]], a trait shared only with one version of [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]].

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
[[Image:Doubledealerofthecentury.jpg|left|200px|thumb|Little does Roadhandler know that you can get faction symbols at reprolabels.com.]]
''A Decepticon named "Dealer" escaped with both [[Chainclaw (G1)|Chainclaw]] and the secret Autobot plans he was carrying, despite the [[Micromaster]] [[Race Car Patrol]]'s efforts. A mysterious Autobot named "Double" immediately offered his services, explaining that it was his fault that Dealer got away with Chainclaw. After [[Roadhandler (G1)|Roadhandler]] scanned his [[Insignia|Autobrand]] for authenticity and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] granted him [[energon cube]]s for the mission, Double left to redeem himself. Meanwhile, Dealer presented the Autobot plans to [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and left.''

''Double arrived back to the Autobots with Chainclaw, but he appeared severely damaged. He told of how Dealer had taken both his energon and the plans, and pleaded for his forgiveness. Optimus Prime, the Race Car Patrol, and Chainclaw left, leaving Double alone. Surprise! The mystery figure was both Autobot and Decepticon, both Double and Dealer! Having conned each side from both the Energon cubes and the Autobot plans, he took to the air in triumph.'' {{storylink|(Double) Deal of the Century!}}
{{-}}

====''Transformers Comic-Magazin''====
{{TransformersComicMagazin}}

Doubledealer attended the celebration in New York held by Megatron where a statue of [[Snaptrap (G1)|Snaptrap]] was gifted to the city. {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 4#Transformers in Action: The Troy Principle|Transformers in Action: The Troy Principle}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:DoubledealerFalconDreamwave.jpg|200px|thumb|Who wouldn't hire this guy?]]
Doubledealer carefully chose his partners to best represent him to each faction. Neither Knok nor Skar knows of the other's existence, nor of their master's double life. His two partners are loyal to the Autobots and Decepticons respectively.

{{note|Doubledealer appears only in "[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]" in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave continuity]]. His partners are drawn to appear totally robotic. The profile seems to suggest that they are Cybertronians themselves, and not organic beings as all other Powermaster partners have been portrayed. How exactly the Powermaster process would operate between mechanoids is unknown.}}
{{-}}
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[Image:SpotlightHotRod DoubleDealer.jpg|left|300px|thumb|My gun keeps firing and I can't stop it!]]
A part of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]'s first command, the Autobot called Dealer was left to face a Decepticon ambush alone while Hot Rod, having already lost the rest of his team, escaped with the mission's objective, the [[Magnificence]]. Stricken with guilt, Hot Rod infiltrated the Decepticon Penal Colony [[Styx]] and evacuated Dealer. Though Hot Rod was at first uneasy around Dealer, considering their history, Dealer explained that he understood Hot Rod's need to complete the mission and leave without him and that he wished to become friends.

Unbeknownst to the young Autobot, however, Dealer was the true reason for the loss of Hot Rod's team. Dealer was an undercover agent working for the Decepticon mercenary [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzaitron]] and in that capacity had sabotaged Hot Rod's equipment and staged the ambush. With the Magnificence stored in a location known only by Hot Rod, he befriended the Autobot with designs to learn its hiding place. Banzaitron, learning of his hire's double cross, renamed him Doubledealer. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hot Rod}}

"Doubledealer" attempted to persuade Hot Rod into bribing or coercing others into getting the two-faced double agent reassigned to [[Earth]], but Hot Rod responded noncommittally. {{storylink|Devastation issue 2|Devastation #2}} The traitor maintained contact with Banzai-Tron, selling him bits of information such as the existence of Transformer [[combiner]] warriors discovered by the Autobots, which the Decepticon used to track them to the penitentiary on [[Garrus-9]], staging a full-scale assault to acquire this revolutionary technology. {{storylink|Spotlight: Arcee}}

[[Image:Doubledealerdies.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Oh, yeah...he could still be okay.]]
When the Autobots were faced with the growing threat of [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]] and his expansion project, Dealer saw opportunity in the chaos. Using their lack of knowledge about the current situation as an excuse, Dealer contacted [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and suggested that the Magnificence could be the solution to their problems. {{storylink|Spotlight: Hardhead}} Agreeing with Dealer's suggestion, Prime sent him to Earth to make contact with Hot Rod and retrieve the Magnificence from its secret location. The two "old friends" returned to Ki-Aleta, as apparently Hot Rod had never removed the device from the very planet on which they acquired it. Seeing the Omega Bunker and the site of his greatest failure, however, made Hot Rod start ruminating about how everything went so wrong so fast on that fateful mission. Dealer did his best to console Hot Rod while still pushing him towards revealing the Magnificence's location. However, he also started to waver under the stress of the memories of belonging to a group who thought of him as a friend - and whom he betrayed. They eventually made it to the rocky mountain peak where the device was hidden, beneath a constant storm of ionic energy to mask its presence. As Hot Rod pulled the Magnificence from its hiding place at the summit, Doubledealer was prepared to shoot his former commander in the back and claim his prize. Unfortunately for Dealer, Hot Rod had finally pieced together enough of the evidence to suspect Dealer of foul play. Once the Magnificence confirmed his suspicions, he spun and shot down the treacherous Autobot first, while Dealer hesitated to shoot his once friend in the back. Doubledealer's chest exploded under fire, and he fell the entire height of the mountain, only to smash into pieces at the base. {{storylink|Spotlight: Doubledealer}}
{{--}}

==Commercial appearances==
[[Image:Doubledealercommercial.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Piranacon we expect to fall for this. Hey, Prime...?]]

* Doubledealer features in his own 1988 [[commercial]]. Various Autobots wonder amongst each other who the new Transformer with Powermaster [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] could be. Turns out, it's Doubledealer, the Powermaster Mercenary! And, uh, he's also talking to [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]]! Well, we hope that's addressed at some point.
{{-}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
*'''Doubledealer with Knok & Skar''' (Powermaster, 1988)
**''Accessories'': Engine holder/chest plate, missile top, missile bottom/solid light blaster
: Doubledealer's "default" mode is an ICBM missile launcher truck with no visible [[Insignia|faction sigils]]. One engine can plug into the top of the truck, while the other can be stored in the chest plate/engine holder plugged into the back of the missile. By plugging [[Knok]] into the engine socket, his Autobot humanoid robot mode is unlocked. In this form, the ICBM splits up to form a handgun and shoulder-mounted (non-firing) launcher. Also, [[Skar (Decepticon)|Skar]] can be stored by plugging him into the robot's butt. By plugging Skar into the socket in truck mode, his Decepticon "bird" mode is unlocked, and the missile splits into a pair of guns (one on his back and the other on his undercarriage). In bird mode, Knok can be stored in the chest plate/engine holder plugged into the back of the missile.

: This mold was used to make [[Clouder|Doubleclouder]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/1988/Decepticon/Doubledealer/doubledealer.htm More information on Doubledealer at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

===Generations===
[[image:Transformers Generations Voyager Doubledealer.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
*'''Decepticon Doubledealer''' (Voyager, 2014)

: Part of the fifth wave of [[2012]]–[[2013]] ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' Doubledealer is a [[redeco]]/[[retool]] of [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] from the same line, and transforms into two vaguely futuristic vehicles: a jet with an opening cockpit and back-mounted rocket boosters, with teeth and eye nosecone decorations to evoke the original toy's Decepticon mode, as well as a tank with a rotating turret and a spring-loaded cannon that launches its missile when the barrel is compressed. The cannon can also be swung out and deployed for use in jet mode. He comes with a blaster and a sword, both of which mount/are held by [[5mm post]]. He features 5mm ports for his hands, shoulders/vehicle sides, cannon base, and wings, while both weapons have numerous additional posts and ports.

{{comingsoontoy}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
* Doubledealer's packaging uses the Decepticon color scheme and logo, even though he's fictionally a "whichever".
* Though his toy bio and all other material describe his Decepticon bird mode as a "falcon", the head of the toy actually looks like a vulture, which would seem more fitting given his mercenary nature.
* In the [[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|''Super-God Masterforce'' cartoon]], [[Clouder|Doubleclouder]] is colored as if he was Double''dealer'', rather than using the Doubleclouder toy's coloration. This isn't the only instance of the cartoon using [[Hasbro]] colorations over [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s; the Decepticon [[Sparkdash]] use Hasbro colors as well, rather than their Takara-released toy colors.

[[Category:Double agents]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Powermasters]]
[[Category:Spies]]
[[Category:Transformers with three modes]]

Racer (Autobot)

2013-09-07T19:27:08Z

Starfield: Updated category. I think it is safe to say it is a toy.

{{factions|autobot}}
{{disambig2|the Autobot who came free with Energizer batteries|the Decepticon who came free with Energizer batteres|Racer (Decepticon)}}

:''Racer is an [[Autobot]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action]] [[continuity family]].''

{{mainpic|November 2011}}

'''Racer''' is a red Autobot car.

==Merchandise==
*'''AA8 Energizer Max''' (2011)
: Racer came free with an eight pack of "AA" Energizer Max batteries. He is a plastic car about the size of a [[Mini-Vehicle|RPM Mini-Vehicle]]. He features four [[sticker]]s which provide detailing as well as prominent Autobot symbols and three "TRANS [[Image:Symbol autobot reg.png|14px]] FORMERS" logos in classic-style font. He also features a [[pull-back motor]].
:According to the printing on the bottom of the toy, Racer was manufactured for Energizer in St. Louis, Missouri ©HASBRO 2011. He was made in China TSR.
:Racer was recolored and restickered into [[Racer (Decepticon)|Racer]], who was also available in free with Energizer batteries.

[[Category: Dark of the Moon Autobots]]
[[Category: Toy-only characters]]

Racer (Decepticon)

2013-09-07T19:26:59Z

Starfield: Updated category. I think it is safe to say it is a toy.

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig2|the Decepticon who came free with Energizer batteries|the Autobot who came free with Energizer batteres|Racer (Autobot)}}

:''Racer is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[live-action film series|live-action]] [[continuity family]].''

{{mainpic|November 2011}}

'''Racer''' is a purple Decepticon car.

==Merchandise==
*'''AA8 Energizer Max''' (2011)
: Racer came free with an eight pack of "AA" Energizer Max batteries. He is a plastic car about the size of a [[Mini-Vehicle|RPM Mini-Vehicle]]. He features four [[sticker]]s which provide detailing as well as prominent Decepticon symbols and three "TRANS [[Image:Symbol decept reg.png|14px]] FORMERS" logos in classic-style font. He also features a [[pull-back motor]].
:According to the printing on the bottom of the toy, Racer was manufactured for Energizer in St. Louis, Missouri ©HASBRO 2011. He was made in China TSR.
:Racer was recolored and restickered into [[Racer (Autobot)|Racer]], who was also available in free with Energizer batteries.

[[Category: Dark of the Moon Decepticons]]
[[Category: Toy-only characters]]

N.E.S.T. Global Alliance

2013-09-07T14:17:39Z

Starfield: /* Exclusives */ sort

[[Image:NEST Global Alliance.png|right|thumb|300px]]

'''N.E.S.T. Global Alliance''' was a [[subline imprint]] of the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen toyline]]. In the United States, the mail-order exclusive [[Ravage (ROTF)|Recon Ravage]] was available by collecting a mission guide available only in the [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#VsSoundwave|Battlefield Bumblebee]] vs. [[Soundwave (ROTF)#Infiltration|Infiltration Soundwave]] two-pack and three NEST stickers available with other figures. This promotion, however, does not exist in Europe. In Canada and Australia, Recon Ravage is a Toys'R'Us exclusive.

==Toyline==
====General retail====

* [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Tuner Mudflap]] (Deluxe)
* [[Evac (Movie)|Evac]] (Deluxe)
* [[Dirge (ROTF)|Dirge]] (Deluxe)
* [[Brawn (ROTF)|Brawn]] (Deluxe)
* [[Lockdown (ROTF)|Lockdown]] (Deluxe)
* [[Rampage (ROTF)|Rampage (Red)]] (Deluxe)
* [[Ratchet (Movie)|Autobot Ratchet]] (Deluxe)
* [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Strike Mission Sideswipe]] (Deluxe)
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Alliance Bumblebee]] (Deluxe)
* [[Armorhide (Movie)|Armorhide]] (Deluxe)
* [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Battlefield Bumblebee]] vs. [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Infiltration Soundwave]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Defender Optimus Prime]] (Voyager)
* [[Mindwipe (ROTF)|Mindwipe]] (Voyager)
* [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Decepticon Bludgeon]] (Voyager)
* [[Ironhide (Movie)|Recon Ironhide]] (Voyager)
* [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Shadow Command Megatron]] (Leader)

====Exclusives====
'''[[Walmart]]'''
*"Road Rival Showdown"—[[Beachcomber (ROTF)|Beachcomber]] and [[Deadlift]] (Scout two-pack)
*"Windy City Chase"—[[Slap Dash]] and [[Trenchmouth]] (Scout two-pack)

'''[[Toys"R"Us]]'''
*"Shanghai Showdown"—White [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] and [[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] & [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] ice cream truck (Voyager/Deluxe two-pack)

'''[[Target]]'''
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Bumblebee]]/[[Shadow Striker (ROTF)|Shadow Striker]] (Legends two-pack)
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)|Rally Mudflap]]/[[Skids (ROTF)|Offroad Skids]] (Legends two-pack)
*[[Smokescreen (Movie)|Smokescreen]]/[[Starscream (Movie)/toys|Starscream]] (Legends two-pack)

{{stub}}

{{DEFAULTSORT: Nest Global Alliance}}
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]
[[Category:Subline imprint]]
[[Category:Toys]]

USA Edition

2013-09-07T14:16:12Z

Starfield: /* Footnotes */ sort

{{picsneeded}}
'''USA Editions''' are American Transformers toys that are released in Japan, usually (but not always) as [[exclusive]]s through special outlets.

Usually identical to their [[Hasbro]] counterparts (down to the packaging) other than an additional sticker on the packaging identifying them as "USA Editions", there are some examples where the "USA Editions" feature notable differences from their Hasbro counterparts.

There is no clear rule as to what constitutes a "USA Edition" other than the word of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], and as some cases from more recent years have shown, "USA Edition" is essentially an all-encompassing term that translates as "We feel like doing whatever we want with these toys as long as we don't have to create our own packaging" (although ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Superlink]]'' [[Unicron]], officially recognized as a "USA Edition" by Takara, even broke the "Hasbro packaging" rule).

==Characteristics of USA Editions==
"USA Editions" are typically released in American Hasbro packaging with a sticker containing Japanese legal information, possibly with the figure's name (which might be different from the Hasbro one). Sometimes there are minor variations between the USA Edition and the United States release, such as slightly different paint or plastic color, but this is rare. The most notable exceptions were ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' Powerlinx [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], which was sold in modified packaging in a color scheme that never received an American release (but did come out in Europe), and the ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' versions of [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] and [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], which sport different colors and decos from their Hasbro counterparts (most notably Powerglide). The (possibly never released) "USA Edition" version of ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators/Binaltech]]'' Prowl was also supposed to sport "Satellite Patrol" markings on his doors instead of the Hasbro version's "Highway Patrol" markings. Furthermore, the "USA Edition" version of ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]] featured a new "spark pilot" figure inside the cockpit that was omitted from the Hasbro release.

The Japanese mass retail release of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Unicron]], which was the Hasbro version in the original ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Micron Densetsu]]'' Unicron's packaging, is also officially recognized as a "USA Edition" by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]].

Many USA Editions are [[redeco]]s that were released in the United States, but not in the main Japanese line, such as [[Powerlinx]] [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]], Powerlinx [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], and the ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' redecos. Some are also intended as American-exclusive sculpts, like ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Sharkticon (Energon)|Sharkticon]] and [[Tow-Line (Energon)|Tow-Line]], while others, such as ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] and [[Quickmix (Cybertron)|Quickmix]], were initially planned for a regular Takara release but ultimately only saw limited release as USA Editions.

Other USA Editions are toys that had previously been released in Japan, but the Hasbro version sported notable differences, and the USA Edition release reflected those changes (but wasn't always entirely identical to the Hasbro version either). This applies to ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece| Masterpiece]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20th Anniversary/Masterpiece|Convoy/20th Anniversary Optimus Prime]], Masterpiece [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Classics|Starscream]] and ''[[Transformers: Alternators| Alternators]]'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Prowl]].

Most USA Editions are available either at [[e-HOBBY]] or the Japanese branch of [[Toys"R"Us]]. Other stores carrying USA Editions in the past were [[JUSCO]], Laox, [[Toy's Dream Project|Toy's Dream Project/Toycard]] and selected stores participating in the "TF Station" program. In some instances, "USA Editions" aren't even [[exclusive]] at all, but available at general retail.

==What's NOT a USA Edition==
Other toys are occasionally released in Japan in a similar fashion (i.e. in mostly unchanged Hasbro-derived packaging, and often with little to no difference from the Hasbro releases), such as [[Gnaw]], the European [[Motorvator]]s, [[Thunder Clash]], [[Skyquake (G1)|Skyquake]], the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bots]], Takara's "EZ Collection" versions of the [[Legends Class|Legends of Cybertron]] toys of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys|Optimus Prime]], [[Megatron (Armada)/toys|Megatron]] and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] (which came on Hasbro cardbacks, but with new, Japanese-language blister bubble inserts) or the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie]] and ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' main line toys. However, only toys officially declared "USA Editions" by Takara are actually considered as such by fans.

USA Editions should also not be confused with imports of Hasbro toys released in Japan through [[TakaraTomy#Tomy Direct|Tomy Direct]], an outlet that already existed prior to the Takara/Tomy merger and is now handled by the former Tomy part of the company. Unlike USA Editions, which often sport minor (sometimes even major) differences from their Hasbro counterparts, Tomy Direct releases are direct, unchanged imports. Transformers-related toys released through Tomy Direct are presumably limited to toys that have been designed by Hasbro without Takara's involvement, which includes the ''[[Star Wars Transformers]]'' (since the line was handled by the ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' team at Hasbro, and Tomy was releasing ''Star Wars'' toys in Japan prior to the Takara/Tomy merger), its successor, ''[[Transformers: Crossovers]]'', ''[[Titanium Series]]'' figures and some toys from the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie]] and ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' toy lines, such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys|Ultimate Bumblebee]], various role-play accessories, the [[Robot Replicas]], the [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]] figures, the [[Cyber Stompin' Robots]], the [[Power Bots]] and the [[Robot Powered Machines|RPM]] vehicles.

==List of USA Editions==
===[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]===
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:100%"
|-
! scope="col" width="35%" | '''Item'''
! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Primal Prime]]
|??
|[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]
|Mass retail
|}

===[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]===
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:100%"
|-
! scope="col" width="35%" | '''Item'''
! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]
|???
|Mass retail
|[[Target]]
|-
|[[Sideways (RID)#Toys|Sideways]] vs. [[Axer (G1)#Robots in Disguise|Axer]]
|[[May 30]], 2002
|[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]
|[[Walmart]]
|-
|[[Storm Jet (RID)|Storm Jet]]
|[[July 5]], 2002
|ToysЯUs
|Mass retail
|-
|Cybertron 3-Guy Set: [[Nightcruz (RID)|Nightcruz]], [[Mirage GT]] & [[Scavenger (RID)|Scavenger]]
|[[July 31]], 2002
|ToysЯUs
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Robots in Disguise|Air Attack Optimus Primal]]
|[[August 8]], 2002
|ToysЯUs
|ToysЯUs
|-
|[[Megatron (RID)#Megabolt|Megatron Megabolt]]
|August 8, 2002
|ToysЯUs
|[[KB Toys]]
|-
|[[Spy Changer]] [[Optimus Prime (RID)#Spychanger|Optimus Prime]]
|[[November 28]], 2002
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|-
|Spy Changer [[Ultra Magnus (RID)|Ultra Magnus]]
|November 28, 2002
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|-
|Spy Changers [[X-Brawn]] & [[Scourge (RID)#Spychanger|Scourge]]
|November 28, 2002
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Dreadwind (RID)|Dreadwind]] & [[Smokejumper]]
|[[January 1]], 2003
|ToysЯUs
|Target
|-
|[[Destructicon (RID)|Destructicon]] [[Scourge (RID)#Destructicon|Scourge]]
|[[February 20]], 2003
|ToysЯUs
|KB Toys
|-
|[[Bludgeon (RID)|Destructicon Bludgeon]]
|[[February 20]], 2003
|ToysЯUs
|KB Toys
|-
|[[Ruination (RID)#UrbanCamo|Ruination ("Urban camo" set)]]
|[[September 26]], 2003
|Affiliates with [[Toy's Dream Project]]'s "Toycard" program
|[[Walmart]]
|}

===[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada/Micron Densetsu]]===
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! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Rhinox (Armada)#Toys|Rhinox]]
|June ??, 2003
|[[JUSCO]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Terrorsaur (Armada)#Toys|Terrorsaur]]
|June ??, 2003
|JUSCO
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Airazor (Armada)#Toys|Airazor]]
|[[July 5]], 2003
|[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Skywarp (Armada)#Toys|Skywarp]]
|[[August 7]], 2003
|ToysЯUs
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Cheetor (Armada)#Toys|Cheetor]]
|[[September 9]], 2003
|ToysЯUs (website only)
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Predacon (Armada)#Toys|Predacon]]
|September 9, 2003
|ToysЯUs (website only)
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Cyclonus (Armada)#Powerlinx|Powerlinx Cyclonus]]
|[[September 27]], 2003
|[[LaOX]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Thrust (Armada)#PowerlinxBrown|Powerlinx Thrust (brown)]]
|September 27, 2003
|LaOX
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Jetfire (Armada)#Powerlinx|Powerlinx Jetfire]]
|[[October 9]], 2003
|ToysЯUs
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Thrust (Armada)#PowerlinxRed|Powerlinx Thrust (red)]]
|December ??, 2003
|[[Toy's Dream Project]] (members' store Toycard)
|N/A [mass retail release in other Hasbro markets]
|}

===[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe (2003)]]===


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! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Optimus Primal/toys#Universe|Optimus Primal]]
|August ??, 2003
|[[e-HOBBY]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Razorclaw (Universe)#Toys|Razorclaw]]
|August ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Silverbolt (BW)#Universe (2003)|Silverbolt]]
|August ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Snarl (BM)#Universe (2003)|Snarl]]
|August ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Reptilion]]
|August ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Tankor (BM)#Universe (2003)|Tankor]] & [[Obsidian (BM)#Universe (2003)|Obsidian]]
|September ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Blackarachnia (BW)#Universe (2003)|Blackarachnia]]
|September ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Striker#Universe (2003)|Dinobot Striker]]
|September ??, 2003
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Depth Charge (BW)#Universe (2003)|Depthcharge]]
|January ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Ratchet (Universe)#Toys|Autobot Ratchet]]
|January ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Inferno (BW)#Universe (2003)|Inferno]]
|January ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|April ??, 2004
|"[[TF Station]]" affiliate stores
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Triceradon (BM)#Universe (2003)|Dinobot Triceradon]]
|April ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[King Atlas]]
|May ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Skydive (BM)#Universe (2003)|Skydive]]
|June ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Stockade (Universe 2003)|Stockade]] & [[Magna Stampede]]
|July ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Fireflight (Universe)|Fireflight]]
|July ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Whirl (Universe)|Autobot Whirl]]
|July ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Strika (BM)#Universe (2003)|Nemesis Strika]]
|July ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]]
|[[August 5]], 2004
|[[JUSCO]]
|[[Target]]
|-
|[[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Soundwave]] & [[Space Case (G2)#Universe (2003)|Space Case]]
|September ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Air Raid (G1)#Universe (2003)|Air Raid]] & [[Wind Sheer (Universe)|Wind Sheer]]
|September ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Swerve (Universe)|Swerve]]
|September ??, 2004
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|}

===[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon/Superlink]]===
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:100%"
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! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Unicron/toys#Energon|Unicron (black)]]
|???
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Ultra Magnus (Energon)#Toys|Ultra Magnus]]
|March ??, 2004
|[[Toy's Dream Project]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Megatron (Armada)/toys#SuperGalvatron|Galvatron]]
|[[April 28]], 2004
|[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Strongarm (Energon)#EnergonEnergon|Energon Strongarm ("Strongarm USA Edition")]]
|July ??, 2004
|"[[TF Station]]" affiliate stores
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Sharkticon (Energon)#Toys|Sharkticon]]
|[[July 30]], 2004
|Toy's Dream Project
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Offshoot (Energon)|Offshoot ("Signal Flare USA Edition")]]
|[[August 8]], 2004
|Gamers, Tokyo Character Show 2004
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Tow-Line (Energon)#Toys|Tow-Line]]
|[[August 10]], 2004
|ToysЯUs
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Slugslinger (Energon)|Slugslinger ("Storm Jet")]]
|[[October 28]], 2004
|ToysЯUs
|Mass retail
|}

===[[The Transformers: Masterpiece| Masterpiece]]/20th Anniversary===
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! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#20th Anniversary/Masterpiece|Optimus Prime]]
|April ??, 2004
|[[e-HOBBY]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Starscream (G1)/toys#MasterpieceUS|Starscream]]
|February ??, 2008
|Mass retail
|[[Walmart]]
|}

===[[Transformers: Alternators|Binaltech/Alternators]]===
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:100%"
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! scope="col" width="35%" | '''Item'''
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! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Prowl (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Prowl]]
|Unreleased?
|(Takarand, giveaway for subscribers)
|Mass retail
|}
{{note|Information about this toy is hard to come by. It was once advertised on Takarand's website, to be offered as a giveaway for new subscribers for their broadcast service; limited to 60 pieces. However, Takarand later changed owners, and since no photos of the final toy ever surfaced, it's quite likely that it was actually never released.}}

===[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Galaxy Force/Cybertron]]===
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:100%"
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! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Starscream (Armada)#Supreme|Super Starscream]]
|[[August 11]], 2005
|[[Toys"R"Us|ToysЯUs]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Hardtop (Cybertron)#Toys|Hardtop]]
|August ??, 2005
|[[e-HOBBY]]
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#CybDx|Deluxe Optimus Prime ("Armada Convoy")]]
|October ??, 2006
|[[Toy's Dream Project]] (members store Toycard)
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Primus#Cybertron|Primus]] with [[Unicron/toys#Cybertron|Unicron head]]
|October ??, 2006
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Quickmix (Cybertron)#Toys|Quickmix ("Blender")]]
|October ??, 2006
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor ("Moledive")]]
|October ??, 2006
|e-HOBBY
|Mass retail
|}

===[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe (2008)]]/[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]===
{|class="wikitable" border="5" style="width:100%"
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! scope="col" width="15%" | '''Japanese release date'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''Japanese venue'''
! scope="col" width="25%" | '''US venue'''
|-
|[[Powerglide (G1)#Universe (2008)|Powerglide]]
|October ??, 2008
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Onslaught (G1)#Uni08Ultra|Onslaught]]
|October ??, 2008
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|-
|[[Silverbolt (G1)#Universe (2008)|Silverbolt]]
|October ??, 2008
|Mass retail
|Mass retail
|}

{{DEFAULTSORT: Usa Edition}}
[[Category:Exclusives]]
[[Category:Toys]]

FREE! Blaster!

2013-09-07T14:12:56Z

Starfield:

[[Image:FREE! Gun.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Guns are COOL, kids!]]

Hey, kids! Buy [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|this comic]] and you'll get a '''FREE! BLASTER GUN!'''

Yes, we can't take it for granted that you'll buy [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|a comic]] just because the Transformers are in it—we need to bribe you! And what better way than promising the opportunity to run around killing and destroying things?

==Range of blasters==
A wide range of blasters have been produced by [[Titan Books|Titan]]:

* [[Transformers Comic issue 5|Neutron Blaster]]—a two-part device with four discs. Press the two parts together and the disc is launched! Based on the name, we presume the discs are like miniature neutron bombs, killing all life but leaving everything else intact.

* [[Transformers Comic issue 6|Tactical Target Shooter]]—launched a small, ball-like object. Came with target-practice figures, allowing the Transfan gangs to practice their shooting.

* [[Transformers Comic issue 10|Missile Blaster]]—hand-held, allowing youths to carry bunker-busting firepower in their ''pockets'', something no authority would expect. Came with only two missiles, making this a short-lived weapon.

* [[Transformers Comic issue 13|Blade Shooter]]—while physically similar to the Neutron Blaster, the discs it fires are bladed objects rather than explosive ones. Titan encourages everyone who owns one to "shoot em up".

* [[Transformers Comic issue 14|Robot Blaster]]—another disc-based weapon, this one designed for robots specifically; we presume it delivers some form of electrical attack when fired. Titan's gangs now have a tactical advantage against both Autobot and Decepticon...

* [[Transformers Comic issue 16|Rotor Blaze Battle Launcher]]—a human-sized replica of [[Rotor Force]] weaponry. Cybertron-level firepower is now in gang hands; ''how did Titan get this?''

* [[Transformers Comic issue 18|Disc Accelerator]]—another disc launcher, this time based around high-velocity kinetic force.

* [[Animated Comic issue 1|Second Missile Blaster]]—rearming the gangs after the first was used up.

* [[Transformers Comic issue 2.2|Desktop Disk Launcher]]—another disc weapon, presumed to be used defensively when sitting at a desk. A devastating way of escaping a sudden police raid!

* [[Transformers Comic issue 2.4|Missile Launcher]]—a one-shot rocket weapon, triggered by hand to fire off a missile. Devastate and then dispose of the evidence!

Tens of thousands of fanatical children have now been militarised by Titan, in the most insidious act of child soldiery since the [[S.T.A.R.S.]].

{{DEFAULTSORT:Free! Blaster!}}
[[Category:Toys]]
[[Category:Weapons]]

Whiteout vacuum

2013-09-07T02:58:22Z

Starfield: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */ category cleanup

:''Whiteout Vacuums are/are not technology from [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|the IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

A '''whiteout vacuum''' is used to hold a Transformer's extracted Spark in stasis. They're used by [[Relinquishment Clinic]]s, presumably to hold donors' [[Spark]]s while their bodies are out on loan.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
On finding himself in a [[Relinquishment Clinic]], [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] noted that the clinic's standard retinue of equipment included whiteout vacuums. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 2: Patternism|Patternism}}

Millions of years later, the captured and deactivated [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]]'s Spark was extracted and placed in a whiteout vacuum. {{storylink|Interiors}} At least, that's the cover story that was spread around. In truth, they hadn't even been able to reach Overlord's Spark.... and, according to [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]], there is no such thing as a whiteout vacuum! {{storylink|Remembrance Day}}

[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]

Vaccine Program Gun

2013-09-07T02:56:54Z

Starfield: /* Micromaster */ category cleanup

The '''Vaccine Program Gun''' (ワクチンプログラム銃 ''Vaccine Program Jō'') was supposed to turn [[Decepticon]]s into [[Autobot]]s. It kind of backfired.

==Fiction==
===''Micromaster''===
[[Sireen]] developed the Vaccine Program Gun, basing it on the cure he and [[Joe (ROC)|Joe]] developed for the [[Reverse Evolution virus]]. When [[Sixliner]] fired it at [[Sixwing]], however, not only did the weapon fail to work as intended, but it had the unexpected effect of turning Sixwing into Berserker Sixwing, powering him up and having no apparent effect on his behavior. {{storylink|Enter the Decepticon Sixwing!!}}

[[Category:Micromaster]]
[[Category:Weapons]]

V-Star

2013-09-07T02:56:22Z

Starfield: /* Foreign names */ category cleanup

:''The V-Star is a component of Star Saber from the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:AttackLeozack V-Star.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
On its own, the '''V-Star''' (Vスター ''V Sutā'') is a flying weapons platform, able to be controlled remotely by [[Autobot]] leader [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], or, on occasion, piloted by [[Jean Minakaze]]. In addition, it connects to Star Saber's Saber form in both robot and vehicle mode, providing him with more power and weapons. Due to the V-Star's size, it's usually found parked in [[Shuttle Base]]'s hangar deck or in the maintenance bay, at least when Star Saber isn't using it.

==Fiction==
===''Victory'' cartoon===
[[Image:Saber and vstar.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
While fighting [[Dinoking]], Star Saber mounted the V-Star and used it to strafe the combiner. {{storylink|Sneak Attack! Dinoking}} The [[Dinoforce]] attacked [[Schwimmbad School|Jean's school]] with [[Leozack]], and Star Saber had Jean pilot the V-Star to aid in the school's defence. When Star Saber later needed to combine with it, Jean ejected, though the lack of a parachute meant that [[Holi]] had to catch him. {{storylink|Attack! Leozack}}

The V-Star demonstrated its versatility when Star Saber was fighting with Leozack at an ocean amusement park — the [[Rescue Patrol Team]] were able to use it to evacuate from the damaged buildings. {{storylink|Move Out! Rescue Team}} During an attack on a uranium mine, Star Saber rode on the V-Star and successfully shot down Leozack. {{storylink| Infiltration... The Uranium Mine}}

Too large to fit into the railway tunnels under [[New York City]] in his largest mode, Star Saber ventured in using his smaller mode with the V-Star in tow. It was later used to attack [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] as Star Saber tried to stop him from stealing energy. {{storylink|Big City - Underground Terror}} During another fight, [[Breast Animal]]s damaged the V-Star, forcing Star Saber to separate from it. {{storylink|The New Warrior - Hellbat}}

[[Image:TankerHijack Braver on VStar.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
The Decepticons continued to steal energy. On one particular attempt, [[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]] attempted to divert Star Saber to prevent him from pursuing Leozack. Star Saber responded by separating from the V-Star, which continued the pursuit while Star Saber dealt with Hellbat. The V-Star was able to shoot the rope tethering the container of energy to Leozack, and the Decepticon got away empty-handed. {{storylink|Attack the Shuttle Base!!}} When the Decepticons planted a neutron bomb atop [[Marine Tower]], [[Braver]] used the V-Star to ride to the top of the tower so he could begin dismantling the bomb. It was later used to knock out the tractor beams on the ''[[Thunder Arrow]]'', which the Decepticons were using to draw in an [[oil tanker]]. {{storylink|Tanker Hijack Operation}}

The V-Star was again utilised to destroy some tractor beams, during an altercation in the [[asteroid belt]] when Star Saber investigated some starship disappearances and stumbled on yet another Decepticon plan. It proceeded to attack Hellbat while Star Saber was busy brawling with the rest of the [[Breastforce]], going on to attack the ''Thunder Arrow'' and the Dinoforce while the [[human]] prisoners were evacuated. {{storylink|A Fierce Battle!! The Asteroid}}

[[Image:RescueGaihawk last second save.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
When the Autobots visited the planet [[Micro]], the V-Star spent most of the time parked outside the capitol building. Star Saber sent it to assist the Rescue Team with evacuations, and they hurried to complete their work so that it could be returned to him and aid him in his battle. {{storylink|Planet Micro - The Mysterious Warrior}} Again displaying the advantages of an independent platform, Star Saber was able to save both Holi and [[Greatshot]] from falling into a pool of lava. {{storylink|Rescue! Guyhawk}}

[[Image:AntarcticBattle swordfight on vstar.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
During an aerial dual with [[Guyhawk]], Star Saber rode on the back of the V-Star and used his ''sword'' to strike at the Decepticon jet. Somehow this worked. Star Saber is just that awesome. {{storylink|Battle Up of Wrath!!}} The move worked so well that he did it again while battling against Deathsaurus in the [[Antarctica|Antarctic]]. {{storylink|Fight to the Death!! Antarctic Battle}}

Perhaps getting wise to this, Leozak, Guyhawk and Hellbat used their [[Electromagnetic Nunchaku]] to attach a bomb to the rear of the V-Star. Star Saber transformed and tried to detach it to no avail — the bomb exploded in his face. The V-Star crashed, but the Breastforce attacked him anew, forcing him to combine with it in robot mode to face them. {{storylink| A Deadly Battle}} With the addition of [[Victory Leo]] to the team, the V-Star wasn't used as much independently, though Jean and the Micromasters were seen polishing it up before Star Saber left for a conference. {{storylink|A Mystery?! The Deception of the Base Bombs}}

===''Victory'' manga===
On one occasion, when [[Liokaiser]] had Star Saber and Jean in his grip, the Autobot leader took advantage of the fact that the Breastforce were busy arguing and separated from the V-Star, loosing the pair from the combiner's grip. Jean, in control of the V-Star, transformed it into a special battle mode, blasting Liokaiser while Star Saber whacked the Decepticon solidly with his shield. {{storylink|The Star of Friendship, Jean and Star Saber!}}

==Toys==
===Victory===
[[Image:G1 StarSaber toy.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
*'''Star Saber''' (Large Brainmaster, 1989)
:The V-Star originally came with Star Saber's toy. In grand Autobot leader tradition, it transforms into a battle station which Saber can man, and then into a larger body with which Saber can combine, forming "Star Saber". Saber slots into the empty chest area of the V-Star body, with his normal robot head forming Star Saber's ordinary, unmasked head, which is the appearance he commonly employs in fiction when he is not in battle. His battle helmet, featuring an Optimus-Prime-style mouthplate, is connected to the V-Star, and can swing up to fit over Saber's head.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1989/Cybertron/StarSaber/starsaber.htm More information on the V-Star (with Star Saber) at TFU.info]''

*'''Victory Saber''' (Multi-pack, 1989)
:As a two-pack of Star Saber and Victory Leo, the V-Star is naturally included in this package.

{{stub}}

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''English:'' '''Star Rocket''' ([[Omni Productions]] dub)

[[Category:Victory vehicles]]

Transmetal 2

2013-09-07T02:55:10Z

Starfield: /* References */ category cleanup

[[Image:Transmetals2_Logo.jpg|center|350px|]]

[[Image:Dinobot2provinggrounds.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Pose!]]

A '''Transmetal 2''' (alternately '''Transmetal II'''; plural '''Transmetals 2''') is a [[Transformer]] who has been mutated to a more advanced degree than the [[Transmetal]]s during the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. Where Transmetals are marked by a mode-based inversion of biological and mechanical elements, Transmetals 2 have had those elements blended in equal parts between both modes, the result being an asymmetrical, patchwork jumble that is frequently rather monstrous.

Some Transmetals 2 exhibit a degree of "supernatural" power, such as rapid healing or telekinesis. Additionally, being a Transmetal 2 seems to provide a temporary resistance to the full effects of [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s [[Transformation virus|virus]], but at the cost of losing one's Transmetallization.

==Fiction==
===Toy bios===
Transmetals 2 were the result of Megatron's cloning experiments, a hyper-aggressive breed of warriors with advanced strength and speed but also more savage impulses. Some were Predacons and some were Maximals, but all struggled to control their own violent tendencies.<ref>Transmetal 2 packaging blurb</ref>

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
[[Image:Ba transmetal2.JPG|left|175px|thumb|This lasted five episodes. Then Megatron got his new invention all over it.]]

Only Cheetor, [[Dinobot II]], and Blackarachnia were explicitly described as Transmetals 2. Each of them was altered by an enigmatic piece of Vok technology known as the "[[Transmetal driver]]", which appeared in Megatron's possession without explanation. Despite lacking the vehicle modes of the previous Transmetals, Transmetal-2-ness was generally viewed as an enviable upgrade. Cheetor, Blackarachnia and Dinobot II all displayed some degree of "supernatural" powers, the use of which was signified by conspicuous glows in their sparks and/or eyes: Cheetor showed vague visionary tendencies {{storylink|Go with the Flow}} (which, admittedly, had happened before), enhanced healing abilities, and telekinesis; {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 2}} Blackarachnia demonstrated telekinesis; {{storylink|Master Blaster}} and Dinobot II showed enhanced healing (although this could also be attributed to him sharing a piece of [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]]'s nigh-immortal [[spark]]). {{storylink|Proving Grounds}}

[[Image:Megs tm2.JPG|right|175px|thumb|"Optimal Megatron" didn't roll off the tongue.]]

{{note|Despite there being no overt involvement of the Transmetal Driver in the fiction, Megatron's dragon-form and [[Tigerhawk]] were sold as a Transmetal 2 toys. While Tigerhawk definitely had extraordinary powers, this could be explained as the result of his unique origin as the "ultimate weapon" of the Vok; Megatron's only enhanced powers seemed to be an ability to breathe fire and ice, which might have been inherent in his mode of choice and were not shown to be involved with any supernatural glowing spark powers. [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]'s [[3H Productions|3H]] [[bio]]<ref>[http://botcon.com/archive/story/characters/cryotek.html Cryotek's 3H bio]</ref> described Megatron and Cryotek as Transmetals II. But "Optimal Optimus", who was upgraded in the same fashion (one body holding two sparks), was sold as a vanilla Transmetal.}}
{{-}}

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
[[Image:Devolvinggas in-action.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Well, that was fun.]]

When the Maximals returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and encountered Megatron's [[Transformation virus|virus]], both the Transmetals and Transmetals 2 among them had a strange reaction. Rather than become instantly paralyzed, as apparently happened to the majority of Cybertronians exposed, they simply lost their Transmetallization. Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, and Blackarachnia reverted to their pre-Transmetal beast modes. {{storylink|The Reformatting}} They were able to stay mobile, though glitching and amnesic, while Rhinox and Silverbolt immediately succumbed to paralysis. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent}}

When the escaped Maximals recovered via [[reformatting]] and fought their way to [[Council Citadel|Megatron's citadel]], they found him still a Transmetal 2, though he fervently sought to rid himself of his organic elements. He was concealed within a bulky control suit, but in moments of rage he would fall out of it and transform seemingly uncontrollably into dragon mode. {{storylink|Master of the House}} This body was eventually obliterated in a [[Key to Vector Sigma|doomsday]] [[Plasma energy|storm]], {{storylink|End of the Line}} but its biological and mechanical elements were somehow made manifest in [[Noble|Savage/Noble]] and the [[Grand Mal]]. {{storylink|Prometheus Unbound}}
{{-}}

===''Universe: Featuring the Wreckers''===
[[Image:3H Spittor Sonar.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]
[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] was reborn in a Transmetal 2 body. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1}}

[[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]], {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1}} [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]], and [[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]] {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 2}} were obtained by [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] from stasis pods left behind and were Transmetals 2.

===Ain't No Rat===
[[Optimus Minor]] was a Transmetal 2. {{storylink|Ain't No Rat}} It is unknown how he became one.

===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
[[Ramulus]], [[Optimus Minor]], {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1}} [[Scourge (BW)|Scourge]], [[Stinkbomb]], [[Prowl II|Prowl]], [[Nightglider|Night Glider]], [[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]], {{storylink|The Gathering issue 2}} and [[Scarem]] {{storylink|The Gathering issue 4}} were Transmetals 2, despite only existing as [[Protoform|protoforms]] beforehand. Ravage was reborn into a Transmetal 2 body. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 3}} Why they are Transmetals 2 is not known.

==Toys==
'''Transmetals 2''' (1999)
[[Image:BWtoy-OptimusMinor.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Optimus Minor]]
*''Basic''
**[[Nightglider]]
**[[Optimus Minor]]
**[[Scarem]]
**[[Sonar (BW)|Sonar]]
**[[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]]
**[[Stinkbomb]]

[[Image:TripredacusAgent toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Tripredacus Agent aka Ravage]]
*''Deluxe''
**[[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]]
**[[Dinobot II|Dinobot]]
**[[Iguanus (BW)|Iguanus]]
**[[Jawbreaker]]
**[[Prowl II|Prowl]]
**[[Ramulus]]
**[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Tripredacus Agent]] (Walmart Exclusive, 2001)
**[[Scourge (BW)|Scourge]]

[[Image:BWdragonmegs toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Transmetal 2 Megatron]]
*''Mega''
**[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]
**[[Cybershark]]

*''Ultra''
**[[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]]
**[[Tigerhawk]]
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[[Image:Crosssell-transmetal2.jpg|right|450px|thumb|Asymmetry the line!]]

:The Transmetals 2 were sold at multiple price points as the dominant subline of ''Beast Wars'' in 1999. Like their predecessors the Transmetals, they feature [[vacuum metallizing]] as a dominant aesthetic feature, but their designs are more irregular and patchwork, featuring skeletal elements and lacking the smooth contours of the Transmetals.

:Unlike the Transmetals, most Transmetals 2 did not have a third mode. Only the largest Transmetal 2 toys, Tigerhawk and Megatron, were designed to have more than two modes, but Megatron's was never featured in the cartoon and Tigerhawk's was dropped entirely even from the toy. Neither vehicle mode was especially well-implemented.

:Early on in the release of Transmetal 2 toys, the packaging used a Roman numeral "II", but a [[Variant|running change]] in the packaging was made to the Arabic number "2", which is generally considered the "correct" spelling of the term.

==Notes==
* The packaging blurb that described the Transmetals 2 as "infused with ultra-aggressive tendencies that they must struggle to control" was reinforced in more than one toy bio, including Megatron's. Beyond Cheetor's first proper transformation in "Feral Scream", this was never in evidence in the ''Beast Wars'' cartoon, but it may have been a factor in ''Beast Machines'': As mentioned above, Megatron displayed the strange tendency to convert to dragon mode (apparently against his own will) when enraged.
* Several Transmetal 2 characters, including Optimus Minor, Sonar, Scarem and Tigerhawk, appear to have an oddball ability to acquire more limbs in their robot modes by shifting around a few parts. Though this might not normally be noteworthy, as several characters from the beast era have animal limbs going all over the place due to complex transformation schemes, there is evidence that this was a conscious decision from the designers: Scarem, Sonar and Tigerhawk are all portrayed as having their extra limbs deployed in their packaging art, and Optimus Minor's multiple limbs having nothing to do with his transformation. In any case however, this feature was never portrayed in fiction for any of these characters.
===Foreign names===
*''French:'' '''Transmétaux 2'''
*''Spanish:'' '''Transmetales 2'''

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Beast Wars subgroups]]
[[Category:Beast Wars technology]]
[[Category:Transmetals 2| ]]

Transmetal

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[[Image:Transmetals_Logo.jpg|center|350px]]

[[Image:Aftermath Rattrap Cheetor.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Rattrap admires his grasping forepaws while Cheetor flexes his pecs.]]

A '''Transmetal''' is a [[Transformer]] whose superstructure has been mutated by the [[quantum surge]] during the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]].

The most obvious effect is a mode-based inversion of organic and mechanical composition: A Transmetal's [[beast mode]] is mostly mechanical, and his or her robot mode bears many organic elements, such as [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s furry chest. Transmetallization sometimes also produces a third "mobility" mode, which is essentially the beast mode with some vehicular additions. Examples include [[Rattrap]] as a wheeled rat, [[Optimus Primal]] as a sky-surfing gorilla, and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] as a [[Wikipedia:VTOL|VTOL]]-enhanced [[Wikipedia:Rollerblade|Rollerblader]].

One more subtle effect of Transmetallization is immunity to certain [[Vok]] weaponry that would debilitate a normal Transformer. [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] hypothesized that this is because Transmetals are closer to being Vok themselves. Additionally, being a Transmetal seems to provide a temporary resistance to the full effects of [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s [[Transformation virus|virus]], but at the cost of losing one's Transmetallization.

Later in the Beast Wars, a more advanced "[[Transmetal 2]]" mutation would appear.

==Fiction==
===e-HOBBY comics===
During a battle at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] took a blow from [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] so powerful it damaged his internal stability regulators. This allowed Megatron to access a cache of [[quantum surge]] energy that had been stored in his body for millions of years. The energy transformed him into a nigh-invulnerable Transmetal. {{storylink|Destron Leader Megatron Black Ver.}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon===
[[Image:Optimus transmetal.JPG|left|200px|thumb|Brass munky.]]
The Transmetals were created as a result of Transformers being bathed in a quantum surge after the destruction of the Vok [[Planet Buster]]. {{storylink|Aftermath}} All the Beast Warriors who were not "born" from a [[protoform]] on Earth or shielded in a [[CR chamber]] were altered. Why Earth-born Transformers were unaffected by the surge's effects are a mystery, especially considering that protoforms still in [[stasis pod]]s were affected to various degrees.

The Transmetallized individuals were Megatron, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], [[Rattrap]], and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]] and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] were in the middle of their mutation when they fell into lava pits seeping into the [[Darksyde|Predacon base]] and perished. [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] was Transmetallized in his stasis pod. {{storylink|Bad Spark}} When [[Optimus Primal]]'s spark was transplanted into a fresh new protoform, the resulting form was Transmetal as well. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}} Other protoforms in evidence included [[Transmutate (character)|Transmutate]], who was judged "partially Transmetal", {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}} and the [[Fuzor]]s [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] and [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], who displayed the Transmetal quality of immunity to the [[Metal Hunter]]'s weapon. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}} Even a fair bit of time after the surge, [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] was turned into a full Transmetal as he approached Earth in his ship. {{storylink|Deep Metal}}

[[Image:Depth charge tm.JPG|right|200px|thumb|Yep, he's a Transmetal too. That's what happens when time itself gets messed with.]]
Most Transmetals had additional weapons and seemingly enhanced power levels. They were immune to some [[Vok]] weapons and did not show up on Vok scanners—Tarantulas took the view that the quantum surge's effects meant they were "one with [the Vok] now".

Transmetals were possibly immune to the effects of [[energon]] radiation. The evidence is scant, since most of the energon deposits on [[Earth]]'s surface had been destroyed or converted to stable [[Energon cube|energon cubes]] by the Planet Buster cannon. However, the Transmetallized Tarantulas was once seen standing beneath an energon cache, completely unaffected. {{storylink|Tangled Web|Tangled Web}} Then not long afterwards, the non-Transmetal [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] suffered energon overload while in a cave containing energon crystals. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}
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===IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics===
[[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]] was a Transmetal, despite only existing as a protoform beforehand. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 2}}

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
[[Image:Devolvinggas in-action.jpg|left|150px|thumb|Maximals are going green! (Your mileage may vary)]]

When the Maximals encountered Megatron's [[Transformation virus|virus]], the Transmetals among them had a strange reaction: Rather than becoming instantly paralyzed, as apparently happened to the majority of Cybertronians exposed, they simply lost their Transmetallization. Optimus Primal, Cheetor, Rattrap, and Blackarachnia reverted to their pre-Transmetal beast modes (or, in Primal's case, the form he would have had if he hadn't been "born" a Transmetal). {{storylink|The Reformatting}} They were able to stay mobile, though glitching and amnesic, while Rhinox and Silverbolt immediately succumbed to paralysis. It seems that whatever Transmetal properties had protected Silverbolt from the [[Metal Hunter]] couldn't save him from the virus. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent}}
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==Toys==
{{collist|3|
*'''Transmetals''' (1998–2001)
**''McDonald's''
***[[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]
***[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]
***[[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]]
**''Basic''
***[[Claw Jaw]]
***[[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]]
**''Deluxe''
***[[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]
***[[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] (Fox Kids)
***[[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]]
***[[Cheetor (BW)/toys|Cheetor]] (Fox Kids)
***[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Metals Jaguar]]
***[[Rattrap|Metals Rattle]] (Puzzle)
***[[Rattrap]]
***[[Rattrap]] (Wal-Mart)
***[[Rattrap]] (Fox Kids)
***[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]
***[[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] (Fox Kids)
***[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]
***[[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] (Fox Kids)
***[[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]]
***[[Tigatron]]
***[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]]
***[[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] (Fox Kids)
**''Mega''
***[[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] (same toy as Scavenger)
***[[Megatron (BW)/toys|Megatron]]
***[[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimus Primal]]
***[[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]]
**''Ultra''
***[[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]
***[[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]]
**''Super''
***[[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimal Optimus]]}}

[[Image:Crosssell-transmetals.jpg|right|450px|thumb|]]

:The initial run of "main line" Transmetals consisted of new toys for existing characters featured in the successful cartoon (budget constraints would mean not all the Transmetal toys would appear in the show.) Later, the subline included two new characters, Depth Charge and Rampage.

:The defining characteristics of the Transmetal line are [[Vacuum metallizing|the chrome-like finish]] featured on much of the toys' surfaces, and [[Transportation mode|semi-vehicular "third modes"]]. Aesthetically, the toys are smoothly contoured, with more organic features revealed in robot mode.

:Scorponok, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], though also not Transmetal in the show, were given their own Transmetal toys as Happy Meal pack-ins from McDonald's.

:[[Claw Jaw]] and [[Spittor (BW)|Spittor]] were redecoed and sold as Transmetals in European markets with a VHS tape, though they lacked the third mode and [[vacuum metallizing]].

==Notes==
* Initial Transmetal toys were not designed with guns, only melee weapons, contrary to the requirements of the animated series (kinda the opposite of the situation with [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] and co.'s toys vs. their comic book depictions). As a result, [[Mainframe Entertainment]] was forced to come up with creative solutions to give these characters ranged weapons without diminishing their [[Show-accuracy|toy accuracy]]. Thus, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]]'s handheld buzzsaw functioned like a gun and the green markings on his shoulders were depicted as missile ports, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]'s pincer/whip/flail/"whiplash cutlass" thing (read: he's holding his damn tail) gained the ability to stiffen and fire like a cannon (tee hee), as well as his dinosaur arm kibble moving forward to function as shoulder guns, and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]'s hideous hands were capable of firing energy blasts, usually when placed together and thus temporarily making the halves of his beast-mode head whole, with the zaps emanating from its mouth (a pose impossible to achieve with the figure without unhinging the shoulders from the sides.) In [[Other Visits (Part 2)]], however, he fires only one hand.

: Even more elaborate was the functional reconceptualization of [[Optimus Primal]]'s toy, whose hoverboard thruster/mace launcher was used as a laser pistol. Not content with this rather puny-looking firearm, some clever cove at Mainframe noticed that his shoulder-pad and mace-stowing bracket thing could be flipped over his head (a function of his transformation) and improperly positioned in such a way that the long handles of his dual maces pointed outwards like gun barrels and, with the shoulder-pads positioned over his outstretched fists like trigger-guards, the whole device was re-imagined as something resembling two machine guns mounted on a steadicam harness.

: The only exception to these exotic re-imaginings was [[Rattrap]], who used his tail/whip/spear as intended but also retained his pre-Transmetal gun (albeit with a redeco to suit his new color scheme), despite the fact that the toy did not.

:As an odd point of comparison, the later Transmetal [[Optimus Primal/toys|Optimal Optimus]] was packaged with a rifle, which he never used in the show. Presumably someone decided that his large chest cannons were enough (although they also made them retractable, unlike the toy).

*According to [[Ben Yee]], the Transmetals were originally conceived of by ''Beast Wars'' writers as "absorbing" energon radiation and then needing to discharge that energy later, typically as weapon energy.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20050308021636/http://www.bwtf.com/bw/tvshow/episodes/seasontwo/badspark/ Ben Yee's "Bad Spark" review] (archive)</ref> However, the only time this was hinted at in the series was during "[[Bad Spark]]", when Cheetor "farts" a little energon cloud.

==References==
<references />

[[Category:Beast Wars subgroups]]
[[Category:Beast Wars technology]]
[[Category:Transmetals| ]]

Transfer Interlink

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[[Image:Apelinqdigiboard.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Kind of like Green Lantern meets Silver Surfer.]]

'''Transfer Interlink''' allows digital constructs to be downloaded into reality as tangible objects. This enigmatic technology was developed by the gifted engineer, [[Apelinq]]. Used by him primarily as a form of locomotion while in gorilla mode, Apelinq employs his Transfer Interlink to create a digital [[hoverboard]]. He has also been known to call into being various projectile weaponry, and in one unique case, create [[CatSCAN|another living Transformer]].

When Apelinq was absorbed by [[Vector Sigma]] into the powerful sentry, [[Sentinel Maximus]], he retained this ability. He often uses it to recreate his old impact maces.

==Fiction==
===3H comics===
[[Image:Apelink Transfer Interlink.jpg|thumb|left|]]
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===''Cybertron'' comic===
[[Image:Sentinelmaximusnemesis.jpg|thumb|]]
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===''Animated''===
[[Red Alert (Animated)|Red Alert]] possessed a Transfer Interlink, which functioned both as a scanner and as a device capable of manifesting hard-light surgical instruments. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II}} She used it to minister to [[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]] during an attack on [[space bridge 687-030]] by [[Team Chaar]]. {{storylink|TransWarped}}

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Television

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[[Image:Television.jpg|right|200px|thumb|C'mon, ''Scrubs'' is on channel 16! Where's the remote?]]

'''Television''' is a crude means of entertainment used by [[human]]s. Whether it is good or bad is a matter of debate, as is all human technology. It receives broadcasts from various different "channels", allowing for a wide range of "television shows", including news, sports events, or cartoons, such as ones with aliens who [[Transformation|turn into things]].

Surprisingly, it has had diverse effects on [[Transformer|Cybertronians]]. [[Junkion (species)|Some]] even learned to talk from it.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
[[Rampage (G1)|Rampage]] ''really'' loves watching television, especially mindless music videos. {{storylink|Rampage (G1)|Rampage's toy bio}} {{storylink|The Transformers Universe|Rampage's ''Universe'' profile}} What this says about the other [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] is open to debate.

====Marvel Comics continuity====
{{noteukonly}}
After [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] got through explaining about [[Transformer]]s to [["O"]] and [[Jesse (G1)|Jessie]], "O" was disappointed that it was too late to get on the show ''That's Incredible'' since it had been cancelled. {{storylink|Power Play!}}

[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] watched enough television to determine humans were stupider than he had originally anticipated. {{storylink|The New Order}}

Sounds fair.

''However, while [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] was out trying to figure out why he protected humans from the Decepticons, the [[Powermaster]] [[Slapdash (G1)|Slapdash]] came to enjoy a show called [[Miami Metal Clamp]]... or something.'' {{storylink|Cold Comfort and Joy!}}

[[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] believes that his ability to make contact with the [[Allspark|other side]] and communicate with the lifeforces of departed Decepticons is actually just television broadcasts he managed to pick up. He does have a fondness for the classic TV show ''My Mother the Car''. {{storylink|The Transformers Universe|Mindwipe's ''Universe'' profile}} Given that the show has a car possessed by the owner's mother, this is too appropriate, but says a thing or two about Mindwipe's intelligence.

====Cartoon continuity====
Cybertronians are not above watching television every now and then. The Autobots are shown to be fans of a television show called ''[[As the Kitchen Sinks]]''. This type of programming falls under the "soap opera" definition of television shows. What this says about the Autobots is open to interpretation. {{storylink|Prime Target (episode)|Prime Target}} The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], on the other hand, became disgusted with Humanity after watching a little television. {{storylink|The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2}}

The race most affected by television are the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]], who have based their speech patterns around the use of lines from television shows. This can make it somewhat difficult to understand the Junkions and can also make initial communication difficult. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} After studying the Junkions while trying to recover one of their [[Quintesson Journal|journals]], a trio of [[Quintesson]]s tried to make the Junkions more xenophobic and neat by broadcasting subliminal messages through the television programs. However, a mishap also caused the Junkions to begin broadcasting those tainted programs to others, causing the receiving races to begin attacking their neighbors and risk dragging the Milky Way into an interstellar dark age. Although intrigued by the prospect of supplying all those races with war materials, the Quintessons decided that the journal's recovery was more important. However, the journal was lost when the [[Autobot]]s managed to destroy the device sending the affected programs. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

When forced to leave his meetings with [[Tommy Kennedy (G1)|Tommy Kennedy]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Powermaster Optimus Prime]] often left the young human with music videos to watch. Exactly how Tommy was able to watch the music videos in the lifeless wasteland he and the Autobot leader met in is currently unknown. {{storylink|The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' season 5}}

===''Cybertron''===
[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] is a TV addict, whether or not he's not on the [[Internet]]. {{storylink|Cyber Key Codes|Jolt's Cyber Key Code text}}

===''Animated'' cartoon===
The Autobots decided that a good way of learning about human customs would be to observe television programs from the comfort of their home base. They received over five thousand channels. {{storylink|Total Meltdown}} They also watched it on the world's largest flatscreen TV, so long it required both [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] to carry it. {{storylink|Home Is Where the Spark Is}} Usually, they would watch cartoons with [[Sari Sumdac]] in between ninja training sessions. {{storylink|Survival of the Fittest}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' adaptation===
[[Leo Spitz]] was astonished when an [[Alice (animatronic)|animatronic puppet]] seen in a television advertisement looked like one of [[Alice|his college classmates]]. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen issue 2|Revenge of the Fallen #2}} {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

===''Prime'' cartoon===
[[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] and [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] switched the base's television to an [[Urbana 500]] ad in a failed attempt to cheer [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] up after the removal of his [[Transformation cog|T-cog]]. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 1}}

==External links==
* [[wikipedia:Television|Humans also like to make articles on Television]]

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Targetmaster (technology)

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{{picsneeded|Japanese Targetmasters in "handgun" mode}}

[[Image:Desertislandofspace-targetmaster-rollcall.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Cambot! Gypsy! Tom Servo! Croooooow!]]

The '''Targetmasters''' are a subset of Transformers [[Binary bonding|binary-bonded]] to smaller partners, who transform into their weapons. The partner is often an organic life form that has been bio-engineered to be partly mechanical, or wears a suit of armor that transforms around them to become the weapon.

The Targetmasters benefit from being able to take two minds into battle. A Targetmaster possesses a living weapon that is capable of making its own tactical decisions and target priorities. The advantage is similar to that of having a dedicated gunner aboard an aircraft or tank.

The Targetmaster process is often seen to follow shortly after development of the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] process. The earliest known Targetmasters were among the [[Autobot|Autobots]] and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] involved in the war on [[Nebulos]], and were paired with a bio-engineered [[Nebulan]] humanoid which wore a transforming exosuit. Later Targetmasters included virtually any Transformer specifically partnered with another being that becomes their weapon, not limited to Nebulans or organics. The term has been applied to the [[Seacon (G1)|Seacon]] team<ref>[[Hasbro]]'s 1988 toy [[catalog]]</ref> and several [[Action Master]] pairings.<ref>''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]''</ref>

Some Transformers, known as '''Double-Targetmasters''', are bonded with two smaller partners who can form individual weapons or combine with one another to form a 'double weapon', with the power of whichever weapon forms the 'barrel' boosted by the other.

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{noteukonly}}
The first Targetmasters were a group of six Autobots under the command of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Having traveled to the planet Nebulos in search of peace, this group surrendered their weapons to the natives to prove their peaceful intentions. {{storylink|Ring of Hate!}}

''Nebulon minds were duplicated and installed into transformable Nebulon-sized robots, creating the Targetmasters.'' {{storylink|The Final Conflict}}

{{note|This depiction of Targetmasters as robots with duplicated Nebulon minds and not actual Nebulons is unique to this story.}}

Some time later, [[Zarak (G1)|Lord Zarak]] and his Decepticon Headmaster partner [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] had discredited the Autobots, turned public opinion against them, and driven them into retreat. A group of six Nebulan dissidents undertook a great risk to join the Autobots, allowing themselves to be bio-engineered into replacement weapons for the six unarmed Autobots. {{storylink|Worlds Apart!}}

[[Image:BrothersinArmor-Targetmasters.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Mouseketeer Roll Call! Cubby! Bobby! Gregor! Jimmy! Darlene! Annette!]]
The Autobot Targetmasters' first trial by combat came at [[The Nursery]], a horticultural research facility that was under threat by Zarak's Decepticons. The newly-minted Targetmasters engaged Scorponok and the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] in a battle for the Nursery, but retreated as the facility was being destroyed by the battle, regardless of who was winning.

[[Vorath]] was soon able to duplicate the Autobots' experiment, creating a group of five Decepticon Targetmasters, though they weren't quite a match for the Autobot Headmasters. All of the Targetmasters left Nebulos soon after, as the Autobots retreated to spare Nebulos further warfare, and the Decepticons pursued. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

''At some point before leaving Nebulos, the Decepticons captured [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]], [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] and [[Pointblank]] and took them back to their [[Fortress of Despair]], apparently because they couldn't perfect the Targetmaster process. After a brief skirmish with the Autobot Headmasters, they retreated and let the Autobots follow them...directly into a trap! It was not creating Targetmasters that Scorponok was struggling with, but Headmasters. Although [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] was able to release the Autobot Targetmasters, and with their partners [[Peacemaker]], [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] and [[Spoilsport]] they pretty much won the battle, Scorponok was able to escape with a captive [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] to study.'' {{storylink|Worlds Apart!}}

{{note|Only the eleven "large" Targetmasters are given an origin in the Headmasters mini-series, and there isn't a lot of room in the plot for others to have been made off-panel. Nevertheless, the [[The Transformers Universe|Marvel bios]] for several of the "small" (1988) Targetmasters imply they became Targetmasters at this time.}}

After arriving on [[Earth]], the Autobot Targetmasters subsequently went on a mission to rescue the human [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] from the Decepticons. They were repulsed from the Decepticons' [[Club Con|island base]] by a phalanx of hidden weapons. {{storylink|The Desert Island of Space!}}

[[Image:Nightstickwreckinghavoc.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
''Having left Scorponok's forces, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] attempted to force their former leader [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] to hand over his [[time-jump trigger device]], backed up by their Targetmaster partners. When the meeting was interrupted by the [[Wrecker]]s and battle ensued, Springer attempted to relieve Cyclonus of [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]] but was taken aback when the gun transformed and ran away from him.'' {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}}

''Nightstick would not prove to be nearly so fortunate when Cyclonus and Scourge attempted to forge an alliance with the current [[Decepticon leader]] [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. When negotiations went badly, Shockwave sent a [[Straxus (G1)|clone]] of [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] to kill Cyclonus and crush his gun.'' {{storylink|Dry Run!}}

''[[Misfire]], along with [[Triggerhappy]] and [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]], led an attack on an Autobot [[Ark shuttlecraft|shuttle]] to retrieve Scorponok's head from Highbrow, but once he had been reassembled they were spirited away to [[Limbo]] to make way for [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] from the future. Meanwhile, Scourge and [[Fracas]] were fighting alongside Galvatron and the Megatron clone against the Wreckers and [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhems]]. Ultimately the present-day Targetmasters reappeared when Soundwave returned his troops to their own time, but Cyclonus and Scourge vanished into the [[time rift]].'' {{storylink|Time Wars}}

Additional Targetmasters may or may not have been created as the war went on. Quickmix and Needlenose were both seen using weapons resembling their Targetmaster partners, but their individual circumstances do not seem to easily allow for them to have been on Nebulos to acquire Targetmaster partners. {{storylink|Yesterday's Heroes!}}

Recoil was among the weapons surrendered by the Autobots to the Decepticons as part of preparation for an alliance against [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Surrender!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
[[Image:Targetmaster-nomore.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Hot Rod is no longer a Targetmaster as he mourns Firebolt's death.]]
In the year [[2007]], Autobot leader [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] reminisced about the war; on Nebulos where he first teamed up with his Targetmaster partner [[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]] and later, on Earth, when Firebolt died under unspecified circumstances. {{storylink|Headhunt}}

====Earthforce====
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] noted the double-paired Targetmasters known as Double-Targetmasters among his list of complaints about how complicated things had gotten in his absence. {{storylink|Starting Over!}}
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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
The Targetmaster process was developed eons ago on Cybertron, as a process to forge a warrior and his weapon into a cohesive fighting team. The two are linked on a mental and physical level, allowing them to draw energy from each other and multitask with extreme efficiency. Targetmaster weapons cannot be wielded by another being without their consent unless they are somehow incapacitated in their weapon configuration. Severe injury or death of one partner can have a profound physical and emotional impact on the other.

The Targetmaster process was further expanded upon on the planet Nebulon. This would allow organic humanoids, not just mechanoids, to function as weapons when adorned with removable armor. The strength and endurance of these modified beings were greatly enhanced, though their appearance does not change. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye issue 8}}

===American cartoon continuity===
[[Image:Targetmasters.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Here's me, and here's my gun!]]

The creation of Targetmasters and [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]], in this continuity, started with an initial idea of Brainstorm's that Autobots should use [[human]] partners while driving to help with steering and speed, this idea was confirmed when a race between [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] was won not by Blurr's speed, but by Daniel's help in driving Hot Rod. [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], however, was very sceptical about this idea.

After a large scale Decepticon attack, several Autobots, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]], and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] crash landed on [[Nebulos]]; where the Autobots were taken captive by the inhabitants. After a Decepticon attack in which Daniel Witwicky was injured and put on life support, several Autobots were kidnapped by Decepticons.

The Nebulan warriors explained their situation with the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] to the Autobots, and why they didn't trust them at first, and came to an agreement. Using Brainstorm's idea, they would use their and Daniel's minds with the Autobot's bodies to be powerful enough to defeat the Hive and save the others. Thus were born the Headmasters. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

Once the Headmasters got to know their partners, they set off to rescue the five captured captured Autobots. After some torture, Hot Rod, [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] and [[Pointblank]] were all saved by the Headmasters.

After witnessing the power of secondary operators, the Decepticons and other Autobots saw the logic in having some of their own.

The defeated Decepticons were captured by the hive and taken to their underground base of operations. [[Zarak (G1)|Lord Zarak]], the leader of the hive gave the Decepticons an opertunity to become powerful like the Autobot Headmasters at the literal cost of their heads. [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] agreed to let the Nebulans make Headmasters only out of the Decepticons there with beast modes, they however would only let the organic beings into their weapons. So [[Skullcruncher]], [[Apeface]], [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]], [[Weirdwolf]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] were turned into Headmasters, [[Triggerhappy]], [[Misfire]], [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]], Scourge and Cyclonus had their weapons modified so that hive members could fit into and transform into them.

[[Image:Cyclonus tm.jpg|right|thumb|200px|*ptew ptew*]]

[[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]], meanwhile had found a city and told the news to the other Autobots, damaging himself in the process. The Nebulans fixed him and believed the city he talked about to be the hive's old base from before they moved underground. The Decepticons, now with their Nebulan partners, attacked the Autobots again. Brainstorm was mad that the Decepticons stole his idea, the Head and Targetmasters and the Decepticons overwhelmed the Autobots and stole the key to the plasma energy chamber from them before the hive convinced the Decepticons to go back to Zarak to await orders.

[[Image:Rebirth2 Blurr with gun.jpg|left|thumb|200px|"Haywire you're grey and black, now stop looking like my old gun."
"Aww, but this model is so much nicer."]]

Brainstorm, to even the odds, showed his fellow Autobots scans of [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]], showing how the Decepticons modified their guns and used the Nebulan tech to modify the non-Headmaster Autobot's guns and have Nebulan partners inside them. Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Crosshairs, Pointblank and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]]'s guns were modified and became the Autobot targetmasters.

[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] then showed up on Nebulos and was introduced to the Autobot's Headmaster and Targetmaster partners. He was also informed that the Decepticons also had access to the same technology and the key to the plasma energy chamber. The Autobots went to the Decepticons to fight but they and their Nebulan partners had nearly completed their project. The Decepticons engaged the Autobots in combat but were surprised to see that the Autobots now Tergetmaster partners too.

The Autobots, however, were much more surprised to see that Zarak had created something big using the same Headmaster technology both factions had: [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 2}} {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====''Headmasters''====
[[Image:Tf headmaster 29 pointblank target on.jpg|200px|thumb|right|FIRE IN THE HOLE!]]

In Japanese continuities, Targetmaster partners hail from the planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], but unlike the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] they are partnered with a regular Transformer as opposed to a [[Transtector]]. This fusion came about in a blast which binary-bonded a group of refugees from Master to the arms of the new Autobot recruits, as well as the Decepticon marauders, who were terrorizing the refugees in the first place. Unlike in the US continuity and toys, when the Masters transform into gun mode, they take the place of their larger partner's entire hand instead of being held by it.

[[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]], [[Artfire (Headmasters)|Artfire]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] have Targetmasters, even though they were not present for the explosion. The Japanese Targetmasters speak in a series of electronic beeps (like the [[Mini-Con|Mini-Cons]]) that only their bonded partner can understand, instead of speaking normally like their Headmaster brethren.
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===Shattered Glass===
[[Image:Crosshairs_SG.jpg|right|150px|thumb|]]
In this reverse universe, the connection Targetmasters have to their smaller partners seems not to go beyond simple personality complements, i.e. [[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] is lazy, so his partner [[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] is enthusiastic. The small partners are [[Micromaster]]s with three modes: robot, vehicle, and weapon.

[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]] devised a plan to keep the Decepticons stranded on Cybertron while the Autobots fled to Earth. To execute this plan, he, [[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]], and Crosshairs took Targetmaster partners. [[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] was easily able to take down Megatron, but the Decepticon Micromasters were able to thwart the entire group of Targetmasters, allowing Megatron to free himself. {{storylink|Do Over}}
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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Crosshairs toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Crosshairs]]
* '''Autobot Targetmasters''' (1987)
** [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] with [[Haywire]]
** [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] with [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]]/[[Pointech]]
** [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Hot Rod]] with [[Firebolt (G1)|Firebolt]]
** [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] with [[Recoil]]
** [[Pointblank]] with [[Peacemaker]]/[[Peaceman (Headmasters)|Peaceman]]
** [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]] with [[Spoilsport]]/[[Spoil (Headmasters)|Spoil]]

:The Autobot Targetmasters were sold boxed with their Targetmaster partners, and consisted of three all-new molds alongside slightly retooled versions of Hot Rod, Kup and Blurr from the previous year's assortment. The three older molds featured enlarged fist holes, allowing them to hold their new weapons. Both old and new molds transform into futuristic/Cybertronian ground vehicles. All six can mount their Targetmaster weapon on their roof or hood while in vehicle mode.

[[Image:G1 Misfire toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Misfire]]
* '''Decepticon Targetmasters''' (1987)
** [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] with [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]]
** [[Misfire]] with [[Aimless (G1)|Aimless]]/[[Aimless (Headmasters)|Aimless]]
** [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] with [[Fracas]]
** [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] with [[Caliburst (G1)|Caliburst]]/[[Caliburst (Headmasters)|Caliburst]]
** [[Triggerhappy]] with [[Blowpipe (G1)|Blowpipe]]/[[Blowpipe (Headmasters)|Blowpipe]]

:Similar to their Autobot counterparts, the Decepticon Targetmasters feature three new jet molds alongside retooled versions of Cyclonus and Scourge with enlarged fist holes. All five transform into futuristic/Cybertronian aircraft. Their weapons can be mounted on top of them in jet form. The three newer molds were also sold in 1988.

{{anchor|doubletargetmasters}}[[Image:Double targetmasters.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Nebulan-on-Nebulan action!]]
* '''Autobot Targetmasters''' (1988)
** [[Landfill (G1)|Landfill]] with [[Flintlock]] and [[Silencer]]
** [[Quickmix (G1)|Quickmix]] with [[Boomer]] and [[Ricochet (G1)|Ricochet]]
** [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] with [[Holepunch (G1)|Holepunch]] and [[Tracer (Nebulan)|Tracer]]

: Often referred to as the "small Targetmasters" to distinguish them from the larger 1987 releases, these toys were sold carded. Each toy includes two smaller Targetmaster partners, each of which can form a gun or combine together as a larger gun. The two guns can also mount on the robot's vehicle form. The three Autobots share a construction vehicle theme. These toys were never released in Japan.

* '''Decepticon Targetmasters''' (1988)
** [[Needlenose]] with [[Sunbeam]] and [[Zigzag]]
** [[Quake (G1)|Quake]] with [[Tiptop]] and [[Heater]]
** [[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] with [[Hairsplitter]] and [[Singe (G1)|Singe]]
: The Decepticon "small Targetmasters" were sold carded with two Targetmaster partners each. Like the 1988 Autobots, these partners can form independent or combined weapons, and mount on their partner Transformers' vehicle forms or be wielded by them in robot mode. The three Transformers all turn into military vehicles. These toys were never released in Japan.

* '''Seacons''' (1988)
** [[Nautilator (G1)|Nautilator]]
** [[Overbite (G1)|Overbite]]
** [[Seawing (G1)|Seawing]]
** [[Skalor]]
** [[Tentakil (G1)|Tentakil]]
: The Seacons are a [[Scramble City (toyline)|Scramble City]]-style combiner team, with [[Snaptrap (G1)|a large leader toy]] who forms the torso of a larger robot, with four smaller toys plugging in to form the limbs. The team was given an additional fifth small toy, however. All five small toys have a "weapon" mode—essentially their creature mode with a gun barrel attached—allowing any of them to be used by the combined robot as a Targetmaster weapon. Each small toy could also form a free-standing gun by attaching to a small stand included with the toy.

* '''Japanese-original Targetmasters''' (1987)
** Stepper ([[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]]) with Nebulon ([[Nightstick (Ricochet)|Nightstick]])
** [[Artfire (Headmasters)|Artfire]] with [[Nightstick (Artfire)|Nightstick]]

: Artfire and Ricochet are redecos of the original toys for Inferno and Jazz, respectively. They each come with the Targetmaster partner molds that were used as Fracas and Nightstick in the US.

* '''Action Masters''' (1990)
** [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]] with [[Razor-Sharp]]
** [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] with [[Sights]]
** [[Krok (G1)|Krok]] with [[Gatoraider]]
** [[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]] with [[Push-Button]]
** [[Rad]] with [[Lionizer]]
** [[Rollout (G1)|Rollout]] with [[Glitch (Action Master)|Glitch]]
** [[Skyfall (G1)|Skyfall]] with [[Top-Heavy]]
** [[Treadshot (G1)|Treadshot]] with [[Catgut]]

: Several [[Action Master]] figures include robotic partners who transform into weapons for the robot's use. Though not labeled as such at the time, 2003's ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' profile books retroactively dubbed these characters Targetmasters.

===''Beast Wars''===
* '''Basics'''
** [[Break]]
** [[Stampy (BWN)|Stampy]]
:Several of the ''Beast Wars Neo'' toys include third-mode weapon forms, which could be wielded by other toys.

===''Beast Machines''===
* '''Deployers''' (2000)
** [[Dillo]]
** [[Mol]]
** [[Rav (BM)|Rav]]

===''Universe'' series===
* [[Chro]]<ref>Chro was called a Targetmaster in Cryotek's [http://botcon.com/archive/story/characters/cryotek.html BotCon online bio]. Chro is repurposed from Rav's blue deco.</ref>

===''Universe'' (2008)===
* [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] with [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)|Nightstick]]
:A re-imagining of their original designs.

===''Gentei!'' (2009)===
* [[Strafe (G1)|Strafe]] with [[Rocketbot]]
:[[Redeco]]s of the ''Universe'' Cyclonus and Nightstick molds.

===Shattered Glass===
* [[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]] with [[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]]
* [[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] with [[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]]
* [[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] with [[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]]
: All of these characters except Ricochet are [[repurposing|repurposed]] toys from previous toylines.
* [[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]] with [[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
:[[Redeco]]s of the ''Universe'' Cyclonus and Nightstick molds.

===''United''===
'''Targetmaster Microns'''
:The ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Mini-Con]] molds are released as Targetmaster Microns in the Japanese toyline ''[[Transformers United]]'':<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/event/micron_01.html ''Transformers United'' official site]</ref>
*[[Recoil]] (2011)
*[[Fracas]] (2010)
*[[Haywire]] (2010)
*[[Caliburst (G1)|Caliburst]] (2011)
*[[Spoilsport]] (2011)

===''Transformers'' (2010 toyline)===
'''Masterpiece Rodimus Prime'''
:The North American release of Masterpiece Rodimus Prime comes with a "Limited Edition" Targetmaster partner named Offshoot.
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] with [[Firebolt (G1)|Offshoot]]

==References==
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[[Category:The Headmasters subgroups]]
[[Category:The Headmasters technology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category:Gimmicks]]
[[Category:Targetmasters| ]]

Subspace storage pocket

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[[Image:S3 darkawakening cyclonus subspace.gif|right|300px|thumb|"Where'd you get that?" "Editing mistake... in my favor!"]]

'''Subspace storage pockets''' (also known as "extra-dimensional" storage pockets) allow [[Transformer]]s to store their personal paraphernalia in the interdimensional void of [[transwarp]]. Objects placed in transwarp are tethered to the material world by the Transformers' personal energy supply, each operating on its own frequency.

==Fiction==

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:Ravage mtmte subspace.jpg|left|thumb|400px|Ravage's missiles disappear into his subspace storage pocket as he assumes his cassette mode.]]
Visible use of subspace storage pockets was rare, but not unheard of. [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s proton bombs disappeared in a flicker of purple light when he transformed to enter [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}}; [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'s gun manifested in his hands in a purple flash during the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]]' first battles with the Autobots {{storylink|A Plague of Insecticons}};[[File:Optimus tud subspace.jpg|right|thumb|Optimus Prime's trailer sports a glow indicative of subspace activity.]] [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] summoned his oxidating laser into his hand while confronting the Autobots in their [[Autobot Mausoleum|mausoleum]] {{storylink|Dark Awakening}}; and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] once did the same to his electro-laser. {{storylink|Commercial bumper#Generation 1|1986 commercial bumper}}

The glow-effect seen to accompany these displacements also appeared in a few other vanishingly rare instances that subspace can probably be attributed to: [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s forearm once glowed orange when he substituted his hand for his grappling hook {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} and Optimus Prime's trailer sported a pronounced golden glow in one instance when he called it to him, {{storylink|The Ultimate Doom, Part 2}} perhaps indicating that its near-constant absence following Prime's many transformations to robot mode were the result of it being stored in Prime's subspace pocket. In one solitary instance, [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] shimmered with a white light as he grew back to full size, {{storylink|Transport to Oblivion}} suggesting that he and other [[size changing]] Transformers displaced their excess mass into their storage pockets when changing form.
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====Japanese cartoon continuity====
[[Image:Victory21 deathy subspace fail.gif|left|thumb|Deathsaurus fails to summon his sword from his subspace pocket.]]
Weaponry displacement gradually became a much more common sight in the years that followed 2011; [[Godmaster]] warrior [[Ginrai]] was often seen to summon up his cannons into his hands with a flash of light. The great users of this technique, though, were [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]], [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] and their warriors, who would regularly manifest their various weapons during battle. Their frequent use of the technique offered some more insight into its working, suggesting that a Transformer uses some of their personal energy supply in summoning a weapon, and in ''keeping'' it summoned: When Deathsaurus was poised to slay Star Saber with his [[Living-Metal-Destroying Cannon]], the weapon fizzled out and de-materialized because he did not have the energy to spare. Attempting to summon his sword immediately afterward, Deathsaurus could only manifest the blade for a moment before it too faded out. {{storylink|Resurrection!? The Decepticon Fortress}}
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===Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity===
[[File:Landmine cyberkey emerges.jpg|right|thumb|A Cyber Key is summoned.]]
[[Blurr (Cybertron)|Blurr]] and [[Runamuck (Cybertron)|Runamuck]] explicitly keep their [[Cyber Key]] in their extra-dimensional storage pocket to be retrieved as-needed. {{storylink|Force of Habit}} Presumably, all other users of Cyber Keys store theirs in similar fashion, explaining why they manifest out of thin air when required. {{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon}}

===''TransTech''===
[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] explained the function of subspace storage pockets and their relation to Transwarp space to [[Jackpot (G1)|Jackpot]] and [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]], who had trouble wrapping their heads around the concept. {{storylink|Gone Too Far}}

When his spark was hijacked and transferred into a "lowtech" body, [[Bulletbike (TransTech)|Bulletbike]] had a subspace storage pocket in his left forearm. {{storylink|I, Lowtech}}
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===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[File:TFAni Decepticon Air Swindle Optimus Hand.jpg|left|thumb|225px|Optimus Prime emerges from Swindle's personal storage dimension.]]
[[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] refers to his storage pocket as his "personal storage dimension", which he accesses by means of a drawer that opens from his chest. He makes particularly excessive use of it, storing the exceptionally large amounts of technology he has begged, borrowed, bought and/or stolen on his travels across the galaxy. It proved his downfall, however, when he hijacked the Autobot starship ''[[Sigma Supreme|Steelhaven]]''; by identifying unique transwarp frequency of his pocket, [[Sari Sumdac]] was able to use a [[space bridge]] to transport [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] ''through'' it, allowing the Autobot leader to reach the trouble craft by emerging from Swindle's chest. {{storylink|Decepticon Air}}
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==Notes==
*The idea of subspace storage pockets originated as [[fanon|a fan-created concept]] that served as a communal explanation for where Transformers stored their weapons when they transformed, where size-changing characters' additional mass went, and where Optimus Prime's trailer regularly disappeared to. They were finally [[canon]]ized by longtime fans [[Greg Sepelak]] and [[Trent Troop]] in the prose stories they wrote for the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]], first receiving a mention in "[[Force of Habit]]" and later having their working explained in "[[Gone Too Far]]", which tied them in with [[transwarp]] technology.

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[[Category: Cybertron technology]]
[[Category: Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category: Technology]]
[[Category: TransTech]]

Stealth Force

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[[Image:DOTMgame-BumblebeeStealthForce.jpg|right|thumb|400px|Now that's just cheating!]]
Many Transformers have '''Stealth Force''' modes that allow them to access weaponry and advanced agility while in their otherwise relatively helpless vehicle mode disguises.

==Fiction==
===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
[[Image:DOTFfilm-BumblebeeStealthForce.jpg|left|thumb|300px|So so stealthy.]]
The [[Autobot|Autobots]] approached an [[Iran|Iranian]] security checkpoint disguised as cars, and then [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] deployed his Stealth Force weapons to launch a surprise attack.

Later, Bumblebee and [[Sideswipe (Movie)|Sideswipe]] utilized their Stealth Force modes while battling the [[Dread (DOTM)|Dreads]] on the highway in an attempt to prevent them from reaching [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon (film)}}
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==Games==
===''Dark of the Moon'' (Xbox 360/PS3)===
[[Image:DOTMgame-StratosphereStealthMode.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Even Stratosphere gets one!]]

Virtually all the Autobots and [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] made use of Stealth Force during the Autobot/[[NEST]] campaign to track down and finish off the Decepticons. More maneuverable than vehicle mode and better armoured than robot mode, Stealth Force was a key tool for survival. In addition, Stealth Force gave the Transformer the ability to track and lock on to targets while keeping a much lower profile than robot mode.

During a mission to tap Decepticon communications, Bumblebee used Stealth Force to fend off waves of Decepticon attackers until [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Sideswipe arrived to back him up. Shortly after, [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] made use of Stealth Force during his mission to [[Detroit]]. Several Decepticon troopers also made use of Stealth Force to battle against the gun-toting Autobot as he fought his way to [[Mixmaster (ROTF)|Mixmaster]].

Stealth Force was also among [[Mirage (Movie)|Mirage]]'s tools as he tracked down the missing Sideswipe within some ancient ruins in [[South America]], although his ability to transform out of robot mode was temporarily disrupted by injuries suffered in a fall. Not long after that, [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] made his appearance in a new SUV alternate mode that included Stealth Force.

The most dramatic use of Stealth Force came when [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was tasked with destroying a shipment of [[MechTech]] weapons. The massive Autobot [[Stratosphere]] activated Stealth Force after his accompanying escort of NEST fighters and [[Aerialbot (ROTF)|Aerialbots]] were shot down. Sadly, even the impressive amount of firepower Stealth Force provided him was not enough to save him.

[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] himself got in on the Stealth Force action after scanning a truck. Stealth Force made smashing his way through invading Autobot and NEST forces child's play. Even the Autobot warrior [[Warpath (Movie)|Warpath]] was unable to slow his advance. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}
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===''Dark of the Moon'' (Wii)===

===''Dark of the Moon'' (3DS)===

===''Dark of the Moon'' (DS and PC)===

==Toys==
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===Dark of the Moon===
====Mini Changers====
[[Image:SpeedStars_StealthForce_MiniChangers_Bumblebee&SentinelPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|Speed Stars Stealth Force Mini Changers Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/merchandise#Mini Changers|Bumblebee]] & [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#Mini Changers|Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Crumplezone (DOTM)#Mini Changers|Crumplezone]] Vs. [[Bumblebee (Movie)/merchandise#Mini Changers|Bumblebee]]
*[[Mirage (Movie)#Mini Changers|Mirage]] Vs. [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Mini Changers|Megatron]]
*[[Oil Pan#Mini Changers|Oil Pan]] Vs. [[Bulkhead (DOTM)|Bulkhead]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/merchandise#Mini Changers|Optimus Prime]] Vs. [[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Mini Changers|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/merchandise#Mini Changers|Optimus Prime]] Vs. [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Mini Changers|Starscream]]
*[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Mini Changers|Sideswipe]] Vs. [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Mini Changers|Starscream]]
*[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Mini Changers|Sideswipe]] & [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#Mini Changers|Sentinel Prime]]
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====Motorcycles====
*[[High Wire (Speed Stars)|High Wire]]
*[[Knock Out (Speed Stars)|Knock Out]]
*[[Dirt Rocket (DOTM)|Dirt Rocket]]

====Basic====
*[[Barricade (Movie)#Stealth Force|Barricade]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/merchandise#Basic|Bumblebee]]
*[[Leadfoot (PCC)|Classic Leadfoot]]
*[[Topspin (DOTM)#Stealth Force|Autobot Topspin]]

====Deluxe====
*[[Big Hoss]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Deluxe|Starscream]]

====Stealth Force====
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/merchandise#Stealth Force 2|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/merchandise#Stealth Force 2|Bumblebee]]

[[Category: Dark of the Moon technology]]
[[Category: Gimmicks]]

Rocket Claw

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[[Image:MovieMegatronrocketclawchainwhip.jpg|right|thumb|350px]]
Though [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s most iconic weapon is his [[Fusion cannon]], it is far from his only means to destroy foolish Autobots and puny fleshlings. He also has a '''Rocket Claw''', which is like a regular claw, except...well, umm...it can stop being a claw, by transforming into a [[mace|flail]]/[[whip]] weapon. Having "rocket" in its name seems to suggest he could launch it with explosive force, but he's never been shown doing that. Well, [[Transformers Battling Card Game|knowing him]], Megatron's probably so packed-full of weapons that there's no time for him to use them all.

[[Category:Movie weapons]]

File:MovieMegatronrocketclawchainwhip.jpg

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[[Packaging]] detail for [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]].{{fact|Which toy?}}

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Copyright Hasbro, Dreamworks, 2007.

Radio

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'''Radio''' is a means of communication used by [[Transformer]]s and [[human]]s.

A '''radio transmitter''' is a component of [[Transformer]] anatomy allowing them to communicate using radio, rather than sound.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1===
[[Freedom Fighter]], [[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]] and [[Radio AM Robot]] are able to receive radio signals in the AM band.

====Marvel Comics continuity====
[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] controls [[Roller (G1)|Roller]] up to 1,200 miles and his [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]] up to 1,500 feet through radio control.

[[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] are particularly adept at detecting very faint radio signals. Both of them serve as mobile communication stations. Soundwave can maintain contact with fellow Decepticons 100 miles away and Blaster can transmit 4,000 miles.

In ray-gun mode, [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] can emit a variety of high intensity electromagnetic energy, including radio waves.

[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] radio controls his drone units [[Cog (G1)|Gasket]] and [[Cog (G1)|Grommet]] and their combined form [[Cog (G1)|Cog]]. {{storylink|The Transformers Universe}}

Radio can be used by [[Transformer]]s over long distances. However, it is possible for these transmissions to be intercepted by a third party. When in doubt, in person communication is more secure. {{storylink|The Transformers (issue)|The Transformers}}

While [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] was restrained with a [[mode lock]], [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] was able to remote-control him by radio. {{storylink|Child's Play (issue)|Child's Play}}

A Transformer's head, when removed from his body, can operate the body by radio control. {{storylink|Prime Time!}}

[[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] partners can control their Transformer by radio-command. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

[[Circuit Breaker]] was able to interrupt [[Skullgrin]]'s radio control over his [[Pretender]] shell. Skullgrin recombined so she couldn't do it again. {{storylink|Monstercon from Mars!}}

====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
During their undercover operation to investigate a smuggling ring that was stealing airplane components, [[Slingshot (G1)|Slingshot]] found out his radio transmitter was removed and was, thus, unable to contact [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] and the [[Autobot]]s. {{storylink|Aerial Assault}}

===''Dark of the Moon''===
The [[United States of America]] used the [[Apollo 11]] mission to investigate an alien disturbance on the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]]. The two human scouts used a period of radio silence to investigate an alien spacecraft crash site without alerting the general public. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

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Project Mechanoid

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:''Project Mechanoid is a program from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[Image:Titan4.9 Project Mechanoid.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Where's the hole for the arc reactor?]]
[[MECH]] has more than one project to build a giant robot—as well as [[Project Chimera]], they also have '''Project Mechanoid'''. While Project Mechanoid appears to be an attempt to build a giant robot with [[Earth]] technology, the results are just as spectacular. Only one piece remains required to complete it: a [[human]] mind.

==Fiction==
===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
MECH worked on Project Mechanoid in parallel with Project Chimera, continuing with the former project even when the latter was on hold. The last piece fell into place when [[Novo|Agent Novo]] found a [[neuron refractor]] in [[China]] and downloaded the schematic. As MECH set about building a duplicate refractor, [[Silas]] reassigned Novo to Project Mechanoid. The transfer soon took place, though the transfer was far from smooth, and once Novo's mind was in the robot body, he announced he was more than human and demanded Silas kneel before him. Though Silas and his men attempted to stop Novo leaving, he destroyed the base. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.9|The Novo Incident}}

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Project Chimera

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:''Project Chimera is a program from the [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|Prime]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[Image:OperationBumblebee1 fruits of Project Chimera.jpg|thumb|right|350px|"Just you wait, [[Thaddeus Morocco|Morocco]]! I can build a Transformer too!"]]
'''Project Chimera''' is a secret technological initiative on [[Earth]] that is sponsored by [[MECH]]. The project is an attempt to create a new generation of weapons in the form of living machines that are based on advanced [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] technology.

{{bigquote|The power of the living machines will, some day soon, belong to MECH!|[[Silas]]|"[[Operation: Breakdown]]"}}

==Fiction==
===''Prime'' cartoon===
After encountering the [[Autobot]]s, operative [[Silas]] began plans at acquiring a living [[Transformer]] in order to dissect it and use its components to create such machines that would serve MECH. To that end, they ambushed a battle between [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]] and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] just after the latter was incapacitated. Before Breakdown could bring the killing blow, MECH neutralized him and abducted the winning [[Decepticon]] so that they could study him. Taking him to their hidden base, they switched off his pain receptors and began the process of dismantling him for parts, from which they uncovered much on the captured Cybertronian. However, [[Team Prime]] intervened in order to deny Cybertronian technology from MECH, and Bulkhead succeeded in freeing his foe. Despite MECH's attempts at reacquiring the test subjects, they were forced to retreat when [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] arrived on the scene. Thus, the organization was forced to "sanitize" their hidden base, but they had managed to transfer much of the newly acquired data to a separate facility, despite the loss of the test subject. In his report, Silas commented that the diagnostics on Breakdown's vital components had allowed MECH to begin Project Chimera, which would allow them to gain the power of living machines that would serve them. {{Storylink|Operation: Breakdown|Operation: Breakdown}}

The knowledge MECH had gained allowed them to build a robot of their own. They acquired the last component they needed, a [[transformation cog|T-cog]] from [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]], however its installation into the robot didn't have the desired effect. The robot was unable to transform, which according to Starscream was because they required [[energon]] for it to run on. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 1}} They obtained some, but during the second test, Bumblebee interrupted the operation and tore the robot apart to get his T-cog back. It was promptly abandoned by MECH. {{storylink|Operation Bumblebee, Part 2}}

The project finally culminated in the creation of [[Nemesis Prime (Prime)|Nemesis Prime]], a robot controlled remotely by Silas. They immediately began using it to attack military bases near their secret hideout, which naturally attracted the attention of the Autobots. Silas attempted to use Nemesis Prime to take out the Autobots, but was distracted at a crucial moment by [[William Fowler|Agent Fowler]], spelling the end of the project. {{storylink|Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime}}

===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
While MECH was developing Project Chimera, they were running a parallel program called [[Project Mechanoid]] which continued even when Chimera was on hold. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.9|The Novo Incident}}

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Pretender shell

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Powerlinx

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:''Powerlinx is a technology from the [[Unicron Trilogy]].''
[[Image:Linkage5-PreEarth.jpg|right|270px|thumb|]]
'''Powerlinx''' is a technology that allows [[Transformer]]s to combine together in order to become more powerful.

==Fiction==
{{picsneeded|Pictures of powerlinked Transformers}}
===Armada===
The [[Mini-Con]]s are small Transformers that Powerlink with normal-sized Transformers, which they call "[[Bulk]]s". Once Powerlinked, the Transformer gains extra power and weaponry. Because of their utility, the Mini-Cons are highly sought after by both [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s. Whichever side collects the most could potentially win the war.

===Energon===
====Cartoon continuity====
[[Image:Optimus Prime combining with Fire-1.jpg|right|thumb|What happens between a robot and a consenting vehicle is none of our business.]]
Powerlinxing is an ability given to some of the Transformers by [[Primus]] through the gift of [[Spark of Combination|Sparks of Combination]]. This allows the Autobots to combine with each other to become more powerful. Just receiving a Spark of Combination doesn't automatically make someone an expert at it, however. It takes practice and the partners have to learn to synchronize their breathing.{{storylink|Megatron's Sword}}

There are four types of Powerlinxing:
#Similarly-sized Autobots can Powerlinx together with one forming the top half and one forming the bottom. The combined form is called by the name of the Autobot serving as the top half. By all appearances, the personality of the bottom-half Autobot is completely absent.
#[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] is able to Powerlinx with his [[Prime Force]] drones, [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]], and [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]], forming a [[Optimus Prime Super Modes|super mode]]. Optimus Prime remains himself and is still called "Optimus Prime", but Omega Supreme can continue to communicate with him. This may be because his head, [[Omega Supreme (Energon)#Omega|Omega]], is stored in his shoulder.
#Some Autobots can Powerlink with parts of their [[alternate mode]] to form a [[brute mode]].
#The guardians of the [[Super Energon Temple]] are super robots formed by teams of five Transformers Powerlinxed together. However, the limb Transformers don't appear to have individual personalities.

====Comics continuity====
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==Toys==
===Armada===
Mini-Cons had Powerlinx ports—circular 5mm holes with single plastic pins at their centers—that could plug into appropriate Powerlinx hardpoints (hollow [[5mm post]]s) on the larger Transformers figures. All of the ''Armada'' toys, Deluxe class and upwards, had at least one "active" hardpoint that, when a Mini-Con figure was attached, would activate some kind of [[gimmick]]. The majority of other Powerlinx ports on figures were "dead"—sculpted details not linked to any gimmick, simply there for attaching Mini-Cons. Some of the [[Size class|larger toys, such as Super Base]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], Gigacon [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron/Galvatron]] and [[Unicron]] had several active Powerlinx ports linked to different gimmicks.

===Energon===
Powerlinx was no longer associated with Mini-Cons and larger robots linking together, but with the Autobots (Combat/Deluxe class and upwards) combining with one another or with some auxiliary drones that were packaged with them to create larger robot toys. Combat/Deluxe and Mega Combat/Voyager class Autobot toys could combine with one another, Commanders/Ultra class Autobots could only combine with whatever auxiliary unit was included in their package, while the Leader class Optimus Prime could combine with his included [[Prime Force]] drones, the Mega Combat class [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] and the Supreme class [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]].

Toys came with different color Powerlinx symbols to indicate how they combine:
* [[Image:Energon Powerlinx symbol.png|25px]] Used by Optimus Prime and his partners.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Gold symbol.png|25px]] Used by Mega-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Mega- and Deluxe-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Silver symbol.png|25px]] Used by Deluxe-sized Transformers who can combine with fellow Deluxe- and Mega-sized Transformers.

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Red symbol.png|25px]] Used by Ultra-sized Transformers, who can combine with additional vehicle mode parts to form a [[brute mode]].

*[[Image:Energon Powerlinx Blue symbol.png|25px]] Used by the [[Air Team]], the [[Construction Team]], and the [[Destruction Team]].
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==Notes==
*[[Cyber Planet Key]]s do not Powerlinx. Well, except [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor's]]. And deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime's]].
* The Energon Autobots' Powerlinx feature recycles a gimmick originally used by the [[Multiforce]].

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Plasma energy

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'''Plasma energy''' is one of the most powerful and dangerous sources of energy in the galaxy.

==Fiction==
===Character bio===
While in car mode, the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]] [[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] is equipped with a plasma energy blaster.

===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[Image:G1 cartoon Plasma Energy Chamber.JPG|right|250px|thumb|A hemisphere wil balls attached.]]
The power of plasma energy was harnessed by the [[Quintesson|Quintessons]] to create the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] deep within [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the furnace in which the bodies of their robot creations were forged. When the Transformers subsequently took power on Cybertron, the special key needed to open the chamber was put in the care of the Autobots, with each [[Prime (rank)|leader]] charged to keep it safe.

Plasma energy seeks out and overloads any mechanism that converts matter into energy, making it lethal to Transformers.

In 2007, [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] led an assault on [[Autobot City]] with the sole purpose of stealing the key and activating the chamber. [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]] were able to purloin the artifact, and the Decepticon forces then made for Cybertron, where [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] was dispatched to activate the chamber. Pursued by an Autobot shuttle, Scourge was able to use the key and open the chamber, only for a bolt of plasma energy to knock his systems offline and overload the shuttle engines, blasting all onboard the other side of the galaxy, where they crash-landed on the planet [[Nebulos]].

The Decepticons pursued the Autobots to Nebulos and were able to retake the key, prompting the Autobots to team up with a group of Nebulon rebels to become [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]. [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] stole the key back from Scourge, but the Decepticons replicated the Headmaster process with the evil ruling Nebulon [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] and captured Arcee and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]], returning to Cybertron. To save Daniel from torture, Arcee relinquished the key.

In the meantime, Galvatron had arranged for the construction of a gigantic rocket engine on Cybertron's surface, which propelled Cybertron into [[Earth]] orbit once again. With the key returned to him, the full scope of his plan was revealed - having abandoned hopes of conquering Cybertron or Earth, he now sought to use the plasma energy to overload the sun and drive it nova, that it might consume and destroy both planets in one strike. The chamber was opened accordingly, but the Decepticons' departure was briefly delayed by a battle between [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. Once the Decepticons had boarded and taken off, however, Scorponok was struck by a tendril of plasma energy and sent hurtling off through space. The Autobots, meanwhile, were left disabled by the plasma energy, leaving only the Nebulons and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] to save the day - by reversing the mechanism of the rocket engine, they were able to prevent the nova by draining off the excess solar energy, which they then used to revitalize Cybertron and restore its Golden Age. {{storylink|The Rebirth}}
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===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
[[Image:Plasmaenergy.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Plasma energy is released in the destruction of [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. This would be awesome if it wasn't so deadly]]
'''Plasma energy''' is born of a cycle of continuous destruction. It is a force of pure planetary destruction, forged in the crucible of a world reduced to ash, and a small fraction of the energy released in such a horror is enough to devastate another world and generate yet more, continuing the chain of devastation. While Decepticon leader Galvatron may be content to toy with mere [[energon]] as he pursues his goals of conquest, Headmaster leader Scorponok knows that only through the manipulation of plasma energy’s deadly powers can galactic domination be achieved.

During the Decepticons’ attack on Cybertron to acquire the powerful new alloy [[cybertonuron]], Scorponok saw his opportunity to seize power. Equipping [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] with bombs, he dispatched him into the depths of Cybertron, ordering him to plant them in [[Vector Sigma]]’s chamber. Once detonated, it would completely devastate Cybertron itself, generating vast reserves of plasma energy that he could use for his own ends. Confronted by Galvatron over his actions, Scorponok offered the false rationale that this would prevent the Autobots from retaining control of the cybertonuron if the Decepticons failed to seize it; the enraged Galvatron headed for Vector Sigma’s chamber in order to defuse the bombs, but arrived just as they exploded, reducing Cybertron to a burnt-out husk.

With the plasma energy released in Cybertron’s destruction stored, Scorponok schemed to use it to generate yet more plasma energy. Installing himself as Decepticon leader, he began seeding the planet [[Mars (planet)|Mars]] with plasma energy bombs, intending to destroy the planet like Cybertron before it. Although his plans were discovered by an Autobot geological survey that was on the planet at the time, a blast of weaponized plasma energy prevented Autobot leader Fortress Maximus from transforming, leaving Scorponok – now bonded to his own giant [[Transtector]] – to pummel him as the countdown to Mars’s destruction began. Two clusters of bombs at the planet’s pole were detonating, beginning a chain reaction that tore Mars apart; Fortress Maximus was able to absorb some of the energy released in the early stages of the conflagration, allowing him to escape, but once again, Scorponok had achieved his goals.

Those goals, however, were soon put on hold with the surprise return of Galvatron, who retook command of the Decepticons and set them on an interplanetary energy gathering quest. When Galvatron was later defeated in battle by the Autobot Headmasters, Scorponok retook his position as emperor and, after a campaign on planet [[Master (planet)|Master]], returned to Earth intending to destroy it and acquire its plasma energy. "Death Towers" forged from the [[crysmagnetal]] of [[Lemuria (G1)|Lemuria]] threatened to tear the Earth apart (exactly why Scorponok didn't use more plasma bombs isn't explained), but Fortress Maximus was able to stop the villain’s scheme and permanently exile his Decepticon forces from Earth.

====''Victory'' cartoon====
A third of the energy needs of planet [[Micro]] were supplied by a massive plasma energy generator; thus, if this facility were to be destroyed, the resulting explosion would obliterate a third of the planet.

[[Hellbat (Victory)|Hellbat]], [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]], and [[Blue Bacchus]] attempted to steal the energy, but were driven off by [[Greatshot]] and [[Star Saber (Victory)|Star Saber]]. In desperation, Hellbat attempted to destroy the plant, but Star Saber managed to chuck it into space, where it exploded harmlessly. {{storylink|Planet Micro - The Mysterious Warrior}}

===''Beast Machines'' cartoon===
[[Image:PlasmaEnergyChamber BM.jpg|left|100px|thumb|The "M" is for the MADNESS.]]
Having hacked the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] sent [[Optimus Primal]] a counterfeit vision telling him about the Plasma Energy Chamber. Primal was able to use the power of the Oracle to activate it, and he decided to keep that ability in his back pocket as a weapon of last resort against the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicons]]. He knew it would have global effects, but it also fit with his goal of restoring organic life on Cybertron.

Meanwhile, [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] was mass-producing an arsenal of [[Key to Vector Sigma|Keys to Vector Sigma]] as his own anti-organic doomsday weapon. When Primal raided his citadel for a face-to-face confrontation, the two called each other's bluffs and unleashed their weaponry. The planetwide collision of the two opposed energies threatened to destroy the world. Primal, however, was able to channel all of the energy into the Oracle and save the planet, at the cost of his own life. Megatron and Tankor, who were in the same room, were also destroyed. But while [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]'s spark returned to the [[Allspark|Matrix]], Megatron's spark was somehow shunted into a [[Noble|new, fully bestial form]].
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===Live-action movies===
The Plasma Energy Chamber exists and the area it is located in is somewhat isolated, only link to the [[Neutral Territories]] and [[Orbital Beta Platform]] through bridges. {{storylink|Risk}}

===''Exodus'' novel===
[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] sought the Plasma Energy Chamber inside [[Teletraan-1]], which would make Cybertron's [[core]] produce an endless amount of [[Dark Energon]]. Taking the [[Code Key]]s, Megatron opened Teletraan-1, but the computer activated [[Omega Supreme (WFC)|Omega Supreme]] who tried to fly it to safety. The [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s shot Omega down and Megatron tore it out of his chest, using the Chamber and the [[Geosynchronous Energon Bridge]] to succeed in his mission. Later, [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] removed it from the core. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}

==Merchandise==
* '''RISK TRANSFORMERS CYBERTRON Battle Edition''' (2007)
: The Plasma Energy Chamber is one of the red zones on the board.

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Plasma energy''' (プラズマエネルギー ''purazuma enerugī'')

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Pink alchemy

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:''Pink alchemy is a hideous thing from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Before n after pinkalchemy.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
In times when [[energon]] is scarce, the [[Decepticon]]s have been known to carry out a terrible practice to derive a version of the fuel from organic tissue itself. Known by various names, including "bleeding the meat" and '''pink alchemy''', this gruesome process sees the living tissue of helpless organics, held captive in a catalytic chamber, peeled away and fed through a bio-reactor. The lives lost in the production of a single [[energon cube]] number in the thousands.

==Fiction==
[[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] witnessed a group of helpless [[Simp]]s being subjected to the process at the hands of Decepticon [[Harvesters]]. {{storylink|Escape (G1)|Escape}}

Following the end of the war, a Decepticon unit made up of the combined forces under the command of [[Snaptrap (G1)|Snap Trap]] and [[Hun-Gurrr|Hun-Gar]] seized control of [[Sensensica]], capital of the planet [[Temptoria]], and carried out pink alchemy on the native [[Temptorian]]s in their base, wryly named "[[The Battery]]". When the [[Autobot]]s of the ''[[Lost Light]]'' arrived to battle them, [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] and [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] discovered the captive Temptorians, and Tailgate set about disarming the bomb wired to the door of the chamber they were held in. He managed to drain the majority of the [[propex]] explosive from the bomb, and hoped the resultant detonation would be reduced enough in spread so as to not reach the Temptorians. {{storylink|Before & After}}

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Pillar

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{{disambig2|the devices from Dark of the Moon|the human from Transformers: Prime|Pilar Esquivel}}
:''Pillars are a type of technology from the [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|''Dark of the Moon'' franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:DOTM pillar active.jpg|thumb|300px]]
The '''Pillars''' are an example of advanced [[Cybertronian]] equipment that is related to their [[space bridge|Space Bridge]] technology. They are small by [[Transformer]] standards, and resemble spikes. In groups, they are capable of creating a wormhole between two points. As few as four Pillars are capable of linking two points together and hundreds are able to even move entire planets. Two vital components of the Pillars are the Control Pillar and the [[Autobot]] who developed the technology, [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|Sentinel Prime]]. Perhaps as a security measure, the Control Pillar was keyed to only respond to its creator's commands. Pillars tend to float under their own power and moved under the direction of Cybertronians, with them being able to reach into orbit by themselves without assistance.

==Fiction==
===IDW movie prequel comics===
As the war raged, Sentinel Prime revealed to [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]] and [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-One]] that he had created a golden orb that would decisively win the war. Optimus went through with the idea, as Sentinel said it would allow for ending the war without more casualties. The torch required the [[AllSpark]] to activate it, so Ironhide led an assault on [[Simfur Temple]]. {{storylink|Foundation issue 3}} Elita-One activated the torch, turning it red, and delivered it to Sentinel. Sentinel boarded the [[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]], where he presumably placed it within the control pillar, and flew to Simfur to end the battle. However, [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] attacked the ship, causing it to disappear in a fiery explosion. {{storylink|Foundation issue 4|Foundation #4}}

Unbeknownst to the Autobots and Decepticons, the attack caused the pillars to activate and transport the Ark through space and time. It collided with the ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' and crashed on [[Earth]]'s [[moon (moon)|moon]], near its intended location. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 1}} {{storylink|Dark of the Moon issue 3}} [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]]'s crew recovered hundreds of pillars, and eventually returned to the wreck of the ''Nemesis'' to consult [[The Fallen]] as to its purpose. The Fallen asked Soundwave to leave it with him as he returned to Earth, and used the pillar to release himself from his [[sarcophagus]]. {{storylink|Convergence chapter 4}}

===''Dark of the Moon'' film===
[[Image:DOTM-Moonspacebridge.jpg|thumb|left|300px|"Houston, we have a problem."]]
The Autobot leader known as Sentinel Prime developed the Pillar technology during the final years of the [[Great War]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] with hundreds of such machines being created. Their intention was to use these advanced devices as a means of winning a war against [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s newly formed [[Decepticon]] faction. Unknown to anyone, Sentinel Prime had struck a secret pact with the [[Lord High Protector]] with the intention of saving Cybertron where the two were to meet on a distant planet called [[Earth]]. Taking hundreds of these machines, he stashed them onboard the ''[[Ark (DOTM)|Ark]]'' but it was lost in the war where it crashed on Earth's moon. There, the devices and their creator undiscovered for an unknown number of years.

During the 1960's, the Decepticons discovered the ''Ark'' and began pillaging it of the Pillars, removing hundreds from Sentinel's vault, and leaving only five, including the control pillar. Unable to revive Sentinel, the Decepticons left the Autobot behind until such an opportunity presented itself. In [[2011]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and his Autobots learned of the existence of the ''Ark'' after recovering an engine component at Chernobyl. Thus, they launched an expedition to the dark side of the moon where they retrieved Sentinel Prime as well as the control pillar.

Following Sentinel's resurrection using the [[Matrix of Leadership]], the pillars were kept at the [[NEST]] base at the direction of the national intelligence director's command as she believed their power as WMD's were too great. Unknown to anyone, the Decepticons were secretly masterminding the blanketing of all attempts at seeing the dark side of the moon where they had gathered their forces in secret. When [[Sam Witwicky]] learned of the Decepticon's plans, he believed that they intended to target Sentinel Prime and the Autobots rushed him to safety. However, Sentinel Prime revealed his true allegiance and attacked Optimus Prime's forces whereupon he retrieved his pillars and escaped.
[[Image:DOTMCybertrontransit.jpg|thumb|right|300px|That's some kamehameha.]]

Using the four pillars in conjunction with the Control Pillar, around two hundred Decepticons were let loose on Earth through Washington. Afterwards, the remaining stores of Pillars, brought to Earth by the Decepticon army, were set across the globe where they were to be launched into orbit under their own power as part of a grand plan to bring Cybertron to Earth. This was under Sentinel Prime's belief that to save their species, they needed to use Humanity as a slave force to rebuild their homeworld. Stationing the Control Pillar in [[Chicago]], they activated the device whilst attempting to defend it from Autobot forces and the Human military. This created a massive portal that brought half of Cybertron through before the Control Pillar was knocked out, thus temporarily stalling the process. However, [[Dylan Gould]] reactivated it, continuing the transport, but the device was ultimately destroyed by [[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]] and [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] which stopped Cybertron from appearing in Earth's orbit. The Pillars that were bringing through Cybertron were likely pulled through the wormhole that had consumed Cybertron. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)''===
[[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ordered [[Shockwave (Movie)|Shockwave]] to go to [[Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant]] to retrieve one of the Space bridge pillars. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)}}

== Notes ==
*The pillars seen in the movie vaguely resemble [[Transwarp cell]]s.

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MechTech

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{{Nav-dotm}}
'''MechTech''' is a subsection of the ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Transformers: Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|toyline]].

It includes the Deluxe, Voyager, Leader and Ultimate [[Size class|class]], and some of the [[Human Alliance]] toys. Its main gimmick revolves around huge transformable weapons that attach to both vehicle and robot mode and other MechTech weapons via [[5mm post]]s. Unlike previous attachable weapons, the MechTech system often utilizes [[5mm post#Dark of the Moon|retractable pegs]] to fill in the holes when not in use.

The working name for this line was "CyberTech" (with the [[Cyberverse]] line being dubbed Megaverse), and it could be seen on receipts for toys purchased at retailers, in the name of some exclusive products on retailer web sites, and on the shipping cases for the products themselves. The reason for the change is unknown.

==Games==
===''Transformers: Dark of the Moon'' - The Game===
MechTech is revealed to be highly advanced [[Cybertronian]] technology created for use by [[Human]]s during the alliance between the [[Autobot]]s and [[NEST]]. A large cache of such weaponry was destroyed by [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] who had infiltrated a former [[Sector Seven]] facility used by NEST that was located inside a volcano that served as a testing lab for [[Wheeljack (Movie)|Wheeljack]]. Remaining samples of MechTech were later placed in transit to Human armies situated in the Middle East. Learning of this, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] dispatched [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] to intercept the shipment as he could not allow the Humans to be armed with such technology. Starscream in turn managed to intercept [[Stratosphere]] where he destroyed the Autobot and the MechTech located within him though had taken a sample back to Megatron's headquarters with the intention of creating a countermeasure. However, an angered Megatron destroyed the sample and attacked Starscream for this act as he knew the MechTech had a tracking beacon which allowed a strike force of Autobots to assault the [[Decepticon]] lair. {{storylink|Transformers: Dark of the Moon (Xbox 360/PS3)|Dark of the Moon}}

==Toys==
====Deluxe====
[[Image:DOTM_Deluxe_Topspin.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Deluxe class Autobot Topspin]]
{{collist|4|
*[[Air Raid (DOTM)|Air Raid]]
*[[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 3|Barricade]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 4|Bumblebee]]
*[[Crankcase (DOTM)#Deluxe Class toys|Crankcase]]
*[[Darksteel (DOTM)|Darksteel]]
*[[Jolt (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Jolt]]
*[[Laserbeak (DOTM)#Dark of the Moon|Laserbeak]]
*[[Mudflap (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Mudflap]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 3|Autobot Ratchet]]
*[[Roadbuster (DOTM)#Deluxe Class toys|Roadbuster]]
*[[Sideswipe (Movie)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Sideswipe]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Autobot Skids]]
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 2|Soundwave]]
*[[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 2|Starscream]]
*[[Thundercracker (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Thundercracker]]
*[[Topspin (DOTM)#Deluxe Class toys|Autobot Topspin]]
*[[Wheeljack (Movie)#Deluxe Class toys|Wheeljack]]
}}
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====Voyager====
[[Image:DOTM Skyhammer toy.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Voyager class Skyhammer]]
{{collist|3|
*[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|Ironhide]]
*[[Megatron (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Voyager Class toys 4|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#Voyager Class toys|Sentinel Prime]]
*[[Shockwave (Movie)#Voyager Class toys|Shockwave]]
*[[Skyhammer (DOTM)#Voyager Class toys|Skyhammer]]
}}
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====Leader====
[[Image:DOTM-Leader-Class-Ironhide.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Leader class Ironhide]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys|Ironhide]]
*[[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)#Leader Class toys|Sentinel Prime]]

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====Ultimate====
[[Image:DOTM_UltimateOptimusPrime_toy.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Ultimate Optimus Prime]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Ultimate|Ultimate Optimus Prime]]

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====Human Alliance====
=====Basic=====
{{collist|3|
*[[Major Altitude]] / [[Half-Track (DOTM)|Half-Track]]
*[[Major Tungsten]] / [[Thunderhead]]
*[[Major Sparkplug]] / [[Whirl (ROTF)|Autobot Whirl]]
*[[Master Disaster (DOTM)|Master Disaster]] / [[Drag Strip (DOTM)|Decepticon Drag Strip]]
*[[Private Dedcliff]] / [[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Sandstorm]]
*[[Sergeant Cahnay]] / [[Crosshairs (Movie)|Crosshairs]]
*[[Sergeant Chaos]] / [[Icepick (PCC)|Icepick]]
*[[Sergeant Detour]] / [[Reverb (DOTM)|Reverb]]
*[[Sergeant Noble]] / [[Tailpipe]]
*[[Spike Witwicky (DOTM)|Spike Witwicky]] / [[Backfire (TF 2010)|Backfire]]
}}

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=====Human Alliance=====
[[Image:DOTM_HumanAlliance_Bumblebee_Sam.jpg|thumb|300px|Human Alliance Bumblebee]]
{{collist|3|
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Human Alliance 3|Bumblebee]] with [[Sam Witwicky]]
*[[Skids (ROTF)#Human Alliance 2|Autobot Skids]] with [[Elita-One (Movie)|Elita-1]] and [[Robert Epps|Tech Sergeant Epps]]
*[[Roadbuster (DOTM)#Human Alliance|Roadbuster]] / [[Sergeant Recon]]
*[[Leadfoot (DOTM)#Human Alliance|Leadfoot]] / [[Steeljaw (DOTM)|Steeljaw]] / [[Sergeant Detour]]
*[[Soundwave (ROTF)#Human Alliance|Soundwave]] / [[Dylan Gould#Human Alliance|Mr. Gould]] & [[Laserbeak (DOTM)#Human Alliance|Laserbeak]]
}}

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====Japanese Exclusives====
=====Deluxe=====
[[Image:DOTM_MechTech_Deluxe_AirRaid.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Deluxe Class Air Raid]]
*[[Arcee (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Arcee]]
*[[Air Raid (Movie)#Dark of the Moon|Air Raid]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#BBMechTechHolder|Bumblebee]] & MechTech Holder
*[[Leadfoot (DOTM)#Deluxe Class toys|Leadfoot]]
*[[Vortex (ROTF)#Dark of the Moon|Decepticon Vortex]]
*[[Skywarp (ROTF)#Dark of the Moon|Skywarp]]
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=====Voyager=====
[[Image:DOTM_Voyager_OptimusPrime_trailer.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Voyager Class Optimus Prime (with trailer)]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#VoyagerTrailer|Optimus Prime]] / MechTech Trailer
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=====Leader=====
[[Image:DOTMSupremeStrikerOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Leader Class Striker Optimus]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Leader Class toys 4|Striker Optimus]]
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=====Supreme=====
[[Image:DOTMDarkNightwatchJetwingOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|300px|MechTech Supreme Class Dark Nightwatch Jetwing Optimus Prime]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Supreme Class toys|Jetwing Optimus Prime]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#DarkNightwatchJetwing|Jetwing Optimus Prime Black Version]]
{{-}}

=====MechTech Weapon Prize Campaign=====
[[Image:Mechtech campaign 201110.jpg|thumb|300px|October 2011 MechTech Exclusive Weapons]]
The [[MechTech]] weapon campaign started on [[May 14]] [[2011]], handed out at various Japanese retailers after spending 3000 yen on ''Dark of the Moon'' toys. 10,000 units of each weapon were made.
*Tritanium Heat Blade Claw (Gold [[Crankcase (DOTM)#Deluxe Class toys|Crankcase]] MechTech weapon) - Toys"R"Us Japan exclusive.
*Tritanium Power Saw (Gold [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 3|Autobot Ratchet]] MechTech weapon) - Joshin Kidsland, Bic Camera and Edion Group (Ishimaru, Deo Deo, Eiden and Midori Denka) exclusive.
*Tritanium Plasma Double Bullet (Gold [[Skids (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Autobot Skids]] MechTech weapon) - Yamada denki and Yodobashi Camera exclusive.
*Cybertitanium Power Saw (Silver [[Ratchet (Movie)/toys#Deluxe Class toys 3|Autobot Ratchet]] MechTech weapon) - Eon exclusive, available with purchase of Voyager class Optimus Prime with trailer.
:*''[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/event/2011/anniversary_darksidemoon/ More information at tf.takaratomy.co.jp]''
:*''[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/dark-of-the-moon-mechtech-weapons-prize-campaign-new-information-172029/ Translated information from SydneyY at TFW2005.com]''
A second campaign started on [[September 3]] [[2011]] and was available to those who purchased 3000 yen worth of ''Dark of the Moon'' toys at a variety of Japanese retailers. There was only one weapon in this campaign.
*Cybertitanium Plasma Double Bullet (Sliver [[Skids (ROTF)#Deluxe Class toys 3|Autobot Skids]] MechTech weapon)
:*''[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2011/mekkitech/ More information at tf.takaratomy.co.jp]''
A third campaign started on [[October 1]] [[2011]] featuring three new weapons. Each could be obtained by spending 3000 yen on ''Dark of the Moon'' toys at their respective retailer.
*Trithyllium Plasma Blaster (Gunmetal Chrome [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#Deluxe_Class_toys_4|Bumblebee]] MechTech weapon) - Toys"R"Us exclusive
*Trithyllium Triple Wrecking Claw (Gunmetal Chrome [[Barricade (Movie)/toys#Deluxe_Class_toys_3|Barricade]] MechTech weapon) - Bic Camera exclusive
*Trithyllium Null-ray Sword (Gunmetal Chrome [[Starscream (Movie)/toys#Deluxe_Class_toys_2|Starscream]] MechTech weapon) - Yodobashi Camera exclusive
:*''[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2011/mekkitech2/ More information at tf.takaratomy.co.jp]''

====[[Lucky Draw figure]]s====
=====TakaraTomy=====
Beginning [[May 14]] and ending [[July 31]] [[2011]], Japanese consumers who enter two barcode numbers from MechTech character cards (packed with Japanese ''Dark of the Moon'' figures) into the TakaraTomy ''Transformers'' website will be in the running for:
*Prize A: [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys#TritaniumBee|Tritanium Bumblebee]] (limited to 10)
*Prize C: Tritanium energy blade [[MechTech]] weapon (limited to 100)

There will be two more Lucky Draw campaigns from August 2011 onwards, and entering all three campaigns will put one in the running for:
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#TritaniumPrime|Tritanium Optimus Prime (with trailer)]] (limited to 100)

:*''[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/event/2011/mechtech/ More information at tf.takaratomy.co.jp]''
:*''[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/japanese-transformers-40/dark-of-the-moon-lucky-draw-campaign-more-information-171988/ Translated information from SydneyY at TFW2005.com]''
{{comingsoontoy}}
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== Notes ==
*According to [[Josh Nizzi]]'s designs, the MechTech gear was supposed to appear on film: Sentinel Prime's "cosmic rust gun" was apparently another form for his shield (and no, it's not the same blaster as the Leader toy). <ref>[http://joshnizzi.com/TF3.htm Josh Nizzi's Dark of the Moon concept art]</ref>

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/mech-tech/ Transformers.com MechTech website]

[[Category:Dark of the Moon]]
[[Category:Dark of the Moon technology]]
[[Category:Franchises]]

Mech Alive

2013-09-07T02:21:02Z

Starfield: /* References */ category cleanup

{{Picsneeded|Should have an image of an example, with directional arrows showing what they do.}}

:''Mech Alive is a technology from the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen]] [[continuity family]].''

In order to improve their battlefield effectiveness, the [[Autobot]]s developed the advanced '''Mech Alive''' combat system. The system has two primary functions. Gearing is used to shift a [[Transformer]]'s armor plating, giving defensive advantages in fending off attacks. Reflexes, aim, and attack power are all also improved through the reinforcing of internal gearing.

Unfortunately, the Autobots' advantage didn't last long before [[Decepticon]] spies stole the technology for use in their own warriors.<ref>Toy packaging.</ref>

==Revenge of the Fallen toyline==
In the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'' toyline]], Mech Alive Gearing features moving panels and/or moving gears and mechanisms when certain areas on a toy's body are manipulated.

It should not be confused with [[Automorph Technology|Automorph]]ing, the [[Movie (franchise)|first movie]] [[Movie (toyline)|toy line]] [[gimmick]], which automates part of the transformation process. Mech Alive is not transformation-based and can still be activated once the toy is transformed. It is intended to represent the constantly moving parts and gears that can be seen on the Transformers in the [[live-action film series|live-action films]].

For example, when the head of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Size class|Voyager Class]] [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] is turned, drums in his chest rotate. When Leader Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s head is pushed back, gears in his chest turn as his chest pieces shrug while lights and sounds activate.

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Gimmicks]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen technology]]

Holo-Brute

2013-09-07T02:19:45Z

Starfield: /* Note */ category cleanup

:''Holo-Brutes are [[cloning|clones]] from the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]] portion of the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:WFC Holo-Brute.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
'''Holo-Brutes''' are [[energon]] [[cloning|clones]] of [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], created by the defensive systems in the [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] [[Vaults]]. Born from energon lightning, they are relatively weak, but their strength lies in their numbers. Their copies of Zeta Prime's staff serve as melee weapons, and release a crippling [[electromagnetic pulse|EMP]] when struck against the ground.

==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
Zeta Prime summoned a large number of Holo-Brutes to destroy [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]], [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] and [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]] when they invaded the Vaults in an attempt to find the [[Omega Key]]. Soundwave found the energon composition of the clones fascinating while Megatron was merely amused by Zeta's attempts to delay them. The trio were able to overcome the Holo-Brutes and defeat Zeta. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War for Cybertron}}

==Note==
*The term "Holo-Brute" comes from their designation in the Escalation gameplay mode.

[[Category:War for Cybertron technology]]

Dimension gate

2013-09-07T02:18:31Z

Starfield: /* See also */ category

:''Dimension gates are a method of transportation from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].
[[File:Landmine dimensiongate.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]
When you've absolutely, positively got to be somewhere ''right away'', '''dimension gates''' are the way to travel. Where the more mundane [[space bridge]] requires a bit of time and effort on a traveler's part, requiring them to traverse a pathway through [[transwarp|interdimensional space]] under their own power, a dimension gate is a literal hole in space/time—step through, and you're at your destination immediately, like passing through a door. Not just anybody can cook up one of these bad boys, though: only those with the power of [[Primus]] or [[Unicron]] at their fingertips can part the dimensional divide in this manner, required to stabilize the portals so the dimensional crossing does not adversely affect a voyager's mind.

==Fiction==
===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
[[File:Time megatron warpgate.jpg|left|thumb]]
[[Vector Prime]] possessed the ability to open dimension gates by slicing the fabric of space/time open with his sword, [[Rhisling]], first doing so to send [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] to [[Earth]] in the opening days of the [[Unicron Singularity]] crisis. {{storylink|Fallen (episode)|Fallen}} He would later be responsible for creating the gates that would send the Autobots the colony worlds of [[Velocitron]] and [[Animatron|the Jungle Planet]]—in concert with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], whose [[Matrix of Leadership]] helped stabilize the gateways—and was generally on hand to generate a gate whenever the Autobots needed one. {{storylink|Landmine (episode)|Landmine}} {{storylink|Search}} Vector Prime's gates had the appearance of a glowing green slash-mark in the air itself, which, when stabilized by the Matrix, widened to reveal a view of the target location on the other side of the gate's rippling surface.
[[File:Cybertron dimension gates interact.jpg|right|thumb]]
[[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]], empowered by the [[Armor of Unicron]], was also capable of creating dimension gates, although his could apparently only lead into and out of his [[fire dimension]], requiring that it be used as a stopover on any trips the Decepticons made. {{storylink|Fallen (episode)|Fallen}} These circular portals resembled swirling vortexes of flame; extinguishing these flames would result in the portal closing. {{storylink|Critical}}

In one dramatic instance, Vector Prime opened one of his dimension gates across one of Megatron's, and their interaction caused the fire dimension to collapse in on itself. {{storylink|Cybertron (episode)|Cybertron}}

==See also==
*[[Blasty Zone]]
*[[Infraspace]]
*[[Inner space]]
*[[Limbo]]
*[[Teleportation]]
*[[Void]]

[[Category:Cybertron technology]]
[[Category:Dimensions]]

Death clock

2013-09-07T02:17:52Z

Starfield: category

:''The death clock is a medical tool in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]]''
A '''"death clock"''' is a medical scanning device that monitors a rate at which an injured or ill [[Transformer|Cybertronian's]] [[spark]] is shrinking, thus allowing it to calculate the remaining time before their death. Some Transformers, such as [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], believe their use is "an affront to nature", arguing that nobody should know exactly when they will die.

==Fiction==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
[[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] used a death clock to monitor the contraction of the wounded [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus's]] spark, obtaining an estimated remaining lifespan of ten days. Later, following the mysterious disappearance of said patient, [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] happened to lean under the death clock's scanning field, and was stunned to receive a calculation that he had three days to live. {{storylink|The Gloaming}}

==External links==
*[http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/scientists-invent-death-test-device-2152216 whoops now it exists]

[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]

Cyberfactory

2013-09-07T02:16:13Z

Starfield: /* Notes */ category

:''A Cyberfactory is a factory from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

A '''Cyberfactory''' is a place where [[Transformer]]s are built.

==Fiction==
===Wings of Honor===
In [[1993]], Optimus Prime and the [[Autobot]]s worked with their allies in [[Earth Defense Command]] to create a stronger link between their two peoples. A Cyberfactory was created on [[Earth]] to manufacture new Transformers with all the rights and status of citizens of Earth. This succeeded, and a "second generation" of Transformers arose on Earth. Despite being created with no faction in mind, the new Cybertronians soon began to take sides, with some joining the [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]] [[Autobot]]s and others joining the [[Decepticon Syndicate]]. {{storylink|Generation 2: Redux}}

==Notes==
*It has nothing to do with the [[wikia:tardis:Cybermen|Cybermen]].

[[Category:Generation 2 technology]]

Binaltech

2013-09-07T02:14:50Z

Starfield: /* Story of Binaltech */ updated category

{{disambig2|the technology in ''Binaltech''|the ''Binaltech'' franchise|Transformers: Alternators}}
:''Binaltech is a type of [[Transformer]] body from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

'''Binaltech''' is a type of [[Transformer]] body engineered in the years leading up to [[2005]]. It is the result of the [[Binaltech Project]], instigated by the [[Earth Defense Command]] and coordinated by [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] to bring together the automobile companies of the world together to cure the [[Autobot]]s defending [[Earth]] of a devastating attack of [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]].

==Fiction==
===''Story of Binaltech''===
{{storylink|Story of Binaltech, Chapter 1}} {{storylink|Binaltech Is...}} {{storylink|Arise! Evil Binaltechs}} {{storylink|GT Units Online!}} {{Storylink|Operation: Carwash}} {{Storylink|Expose All of Evil's Designs!}} {{Storylink|Beast in the Machine}} {{storylink|Ghosts of the Past}} {{storylink|Reality Check}} {{Storylink|Changing Lanes}} {{storylink|Project Bodyshop|Project: Bodyshop}} {{storylink|Prowl & Chase}} {{storylink|Darkest Hour (prose)|Darkest Hour}} {{Storylink|Binal Time}} {{Storylink|Kill Switch}} {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 1}} {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 2}} {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 3}} {{storylink|Unfinished Business, Part 4}}

{{Stub}}

[[Category:Alternators]]
[[Category:Generation 1 technology]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Transformer anatomy]]

Anti-rad armor

2013-09-07T02:11:55Z

Starfield: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */

:''Anti-rad armor is needlessly scary equipment from the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]]''
[[File:SpotlightKup Siren.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]

'''Anti-rad armor''' is armor designed by Cybertronians to protect the wearer from excessive radiation. The older variations look kinda frightening if you're on something.

== Fiction ==
===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
The Autobot [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] was stranded on a deserted planet which was teeming with radiation, which slowly ate away at the old 'bot's mind, causing him to go crazy. [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] sent wave after wave of Autobots to the planet wearing antique anti-rad armor to protect them from the planet's radiation. Unfortunately, their suits, coupled with Kup's delusional state, caused the old 'bot to believe his rescuers were demonic entities come to kill him, and he slaughtered each wave of Autobots. {{storylink|Spotlight: Kup}}

[[Category: Generation 1 technology]]

Anti-rad armor

2013-09-07T02:11:43Z

Starfield: /* IDW Generation 1 continuity */ updated category

Talk:Sideways (Armada)

2013-09-07T02:07:49Z

Starfield: /* Headmaster? */

==Main image==
Hey, wasn't there a different Sideways profile pic at some point? One that wasn't just his head again, which is really redundant with the headshot of him just a further bit down the page? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
: Fixed! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:47, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
: I changed it earlier because the original pic there was total crap and tiny. Oddly enough I was going to use the Armada cardart (which has exactly the same pic you used), but I was warned against it for some reason. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

==RID Sideways = Armada Sideways==
I'm gonan throw out this interesting nugget-- RiD Sideways is the same character. Even JAPAN thinks so. Their Robotmasters page lists Sideways 1st appearance as RiD (or was it CR? It's been awhile, and it's moot for the purposes of this Wiki.) The POINT is, Armada is the SECOND toyline Sideways/Doubleface appeared in, not the first.

I noticed this as well. Also, I noticed that [[Axer (G1)|Axer]]`s page claims that he is the '''ONLY''' character to physically cross over from continuity to continuity. Based on the information from the article this is not likely true. Any objections?--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 19:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

:Okay, Sideway's page does indeed already say that R.I.D. sideways is the same person, and ditto with the Robot masters version. Scroll down, it's all there in the toy section. Sideways doesn't appear in the fiction for R.I.D., just the toy line, so only the toy was mentioned.
:Plus, Axer's page says he's the ''first'' character to cross continuity, not "only."
:You're joining an argument that is seventeen months old. It's been resolved for a while. --[[User:Atomic spaceman|Atomic spaceman]] 21:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

If you assume that RM Sideways is the same character as Armada Sideways (a fair assumption) then it logically follows that RiD Sideways probably is as well. (he's no further removed from the Unicron Trilogy than is the Sideways in Robotmasters version of G1.) The fact that RiD sideway's packaging-partnet was another continuity-hopper lends credibility to this approach-- but the Takara stance that he 1st appeared in the line before Armada is the real clincher for me.

Disagreement? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:31, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I had the RiD toy listed on this page in the beginning, but thought instead to just suggest on both pages that they are probably the same guy. Believe me, I agree with you. But if there's enough support, back in here the RiD version goes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

RID Sideways was not a Japanese release. RID has no ties to Armada, either.
It's a name reuse, as the reused bio for RID Sideways was saw in Armada does not even relfect the same character. A ninja? Don't think so. RID Sideways was also an Autobot hero. Totally seperate character. Also want to point out that the character is named Doubleface in Japan, severing the ties to any "Sideways" name use for a toy that is US only.
--Bodycount

Hrm. Well for [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/32a177ffd616f66a reference] here's my post on the subject back in the day exploring the issue- the Takara site said CR BTW, though I don't have a link. (It's probably still up, but I have no idea where Takara's RM site is, so...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:41, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Bodycount- read the damn post I linked to.
*Takara says it's the same character, even with all the renaming.
*Though it didn't come through int he cartoon, Armada Sideways WAS suppsoedly a ninja
*Eat me
:-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

::Takara also recognized Galaxy Force as part of the Micron Trilogy and lists the characters as the same ones from the previous two shows. Do you also accept that idea? Oh, and I would eat you, but I don't think I can fit that much geek into my stomach.

Man, 2005 used to be the FUTURE, now it's already "back in the day." Anyway, I would agree with Derik the RiD Sideways is most likely the same guy. Unicron can dimension jump after all, and have his servants do the same. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 05:46, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, crap, Derik! I totally forgot about Takara listing RiD Sideways as RM Doubleface's first toy. Thanks for reminding me, and that's certainly enough to join the two probably-the-same guys into the same page. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:48, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

...was this not in the first paragraph on the talk page? Admittedly, the usenet post was SPELLCHECKED, and thus much easier to understand. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

I did edit this page last night, mostly at first I corrected the spelling on the RM section, then added a basic outline for RiD Sideways since there was nothing there when I got here, unaware of the connection between UT and RiD Sideways. However, I understand that somehow the RM Doubleface section got attributed to me. I never claimed that Doubleface was a different character, I just fixed some spelling errors, and I, like most fans, didn't know exactly what the connection was between RiD and Armada Sideways. I am not that useless. -- 21:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
:And who are you, anyway? (I only bring it up because your identity is an important part of your statement here.)--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

All this fussin' and fightin' last year when someone could've just looked up Hasbro's online bio for Armada Sideways and seen that it's almost a word-for-word lift from RiD Sideways. Same tech spec numbers, too.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 16:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

:Hasbro was just emerging from their steal-big-chunks-of-bios-from-old-bios phase at the time these were published. While strong evidence-in-favor (and admittedly we did overlook it) I doubt that it would have been considered decisive. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:21, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

== Turncoats ==

I think Sideways should retain the turncoat category, his 'actual alliance' being to Unicron nonwithstanding. If I look int he Turncoat category, i expect to see characters who've switched sides, and that's Sideways. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

:He didn't really switch sides. He was working for Unicron the entire time, and that job has him ''posing'' as both an Autobot and a Decepticon. If that's being a turncoat, then we need to put Punch, Armada Jetfire and Armada Scavenger in there as well, because they were also Decepticons at some point. Imagine three factions, A, B and C. If a guy from side A goes undercover as a B and later "betrayes" be and "becomes" a C, his true alligence is still with A, as he never was actually a B or C anyway. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 21:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

::And all those American soldiers who went and fight for the British weren't turncoats either- because that's where their loyalties always lay?
::That's the ''origin of the term''.
::I realize there's a difference between a turncoat and a double-agent... but sideways seems like he belongs in both somehow. :p Armada thrust, I assume, is a turncoat? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:33, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Uh, if Americans were fighting for the British in the American Revolution, then I don't see how their allegiance wasn't to Britain instead of America. I know you like to be incoherent, Derik, but come on now. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 23:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Bad Luck ==

In Transformers Cybertron Sideways had alot of bad luck. IG he fell into alot of traps.

Yes, yes he did. THAT made me laugh like I was 10. Which I'm not. Oh, and sign your posts, for the love of [[Primus]]. [[User:BUMBLEBEE|The 'Bee :)]] 19:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== RiD Art? ==

I wince a little to even ask but... does any art of his RiD incarnation exist? --Some jerk who didn't sign his name!
: Nope! RID stuff didn't have packaging art, just retouched toy photography. So since that version never got any fiction, d'oh well. Which is just as well, since the Armada guy probably belongs up there anyway. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:01, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

== RM Section ==

The Robotmasters section has this note;
{{note|In this continuity family, the character is known as "Doubleface," which is one of his Japanese names. Since Robot Masters is a Japanese franchise with no English-language equivalent, we do not use the English name "Sideways" in this section.}}
...huh? We're not using English names for characters that ''have them'' because the fiction was published in Japan? That seems not-right. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:03, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

:I added that note to account for the way the section was already written, under the assumption that it was written correctly. I have no strong feelings on the matter. '''Edit:''' Okay, I've got some feelings now! I'm thinking you're right, Derik, on the logic that if we use "Doubleface" for the RM section, then we would also need to use "Convoy," "Beast Convoy," etc. I think the reason the section was written the way it was is that the author was preserving a veneer of ambiguity over the character, noting that he only CALLED himself by this particular name, for whatever value you choose to give that. But at this point is there any reason to cast that doubt? I don't know RM well enough to say for sure, but the discussion above and what I've gathered about the nature of RM suggest to me that there's no good reason to treat him differently than all of the other old-characters-in-new-bodies that are RM's stock in trade. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 23:28, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:: I wrote the section using "Doubleface" because that fiction has no English-language equivalent. I'm not super-attached to using his Japanese name there. I just thought it might be appropriate. Part of the reason is that we call his toy "Doubleface" in the respective toy section. We don't "translate" that into his English name, so it felt weird doing it for Robot Masters. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:51, 13 April 2009 (EDT)
:::The Fiction and Toy sections have different naming rules, though (or so I'd gathered). Each individual toy is labeled as whatever is on its packaging, period. But for fiction, we homogenize as much as possible (hence calling RM Convoy "Optimus Prime"). So.... yeah, I'm going to change that section. Also, while I'm at it - ''Robot Masters'' isn't its own continuity family, is it? The fiction is pretty sparsely documented here, but what I've been able to scrounge up says it's in some G1 universe or other. Characters are just warping like crazy from across time and space to a G1 Earth in the year 2004. So I'm going to change the continuity-family label too. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:27, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, RM definitely isn't its own continuity family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:42, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
:::The name change is especially bothersome to me here because... RM Doubleface is the toy that explicitly established that all the Doublefaces were the same character. "This guy first appeared in RiD."
:::While on the subject... I thought that Cybertron Sideways was actually an AU version of Armada sideways or something... isn't Planet X actually from a parallel universe? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:46, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
::::No, Ask Vector Prime makes it clear he is the same guy. He just happens to be from a parallel dimension, originally. Or... well, wait. Did the Planet X attack happen before or after Gigantian got moved to that parallel dimension? Eh. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:48, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oh, that makes sense, I guess. Assuming he was in the RiD universe "before" armada (and he'd have to be, his fiction is a straight line afterward) there's really no reason the Armadaverse has to be his "home" universe.
:::::...I feel like this might benefit from an "Origins" section explaining that unlike other characters, this fiction section is all the same iteration of the same guy. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:52, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
::::::I'm working one up right now, though I'm putting it in "Notes". You can do as you wish with it when I'm done. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 00:59, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
:::::::That's good to-- possibly a better way of presenting it too. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

==TV Magazine?==
There was a Robotmasters story featured in TV Magazine as well? Anyone have scans? [[User:Lightsyderthe2nd|Lightsyderthe2nd]] 10:05, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==(RID)?==

Why isn't it Sideways (Armada)? Because he's more prominent in the Unicron Trilogy, and if I recall RID Sideways was a toy only guy. [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 15:01, 29 July 2009 (EDT)
:Because the RID Sideways toy was later confirmed to be the same character as Armada Sideways. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:31, 29 July 2009 (EDT)
::Gearshift isn't contesting that point. He knows they're the same guy; he wants to know why we're not using the most intuitively ''prominent'' identifier. The answer - and I know we had a discussion about this article's title somewhere; I think it got lost in the crash - is that we decide what to use for a disambiguation-parenthetical by starting with [[:Help:Disambiguation#Disambiguation suffixes|one simple rule]]: the first franchise the character appeared in. Sideways appeared in RID first, and there are no other RID Sidewayses. So that's that. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Just to be clear, if e-hobby were to retroactively decide that one of the seekers from MtMtE was, in fact, the same guy, Sideways, we'd rename him Sideways (G1), right? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:55, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, because he was RID and Armada and Cybertron before he was G1. Actually, he already DOES exist in the G1 timeline, thanks to Robot Masters. This is an area we go real-world by, not in-fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 20:23, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::But I thought the confirmation that RID Sideways was the same as Armada Sideways came after Armada ended. So, how would that be any different? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:32, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::His RiD bio was written to mesh with the upcoming Armada character... he was ''always'' intended to be the same guy. We just didn't get it ''explicitly'' stated until Robotmasters.
::::::And I'm not sure Siph is right here. If we were to get ''a'' Seeker named Sideways who ''was'' this same guy and showed up in G1 in new fiction, then he'd still be Sideways (RiD). But if the black seeker in MtMtE (you only see his shoulder and head, he's hiding like Waldo!) was to to be ''revealed'' to be this same Sideways, then I think he'd move to "Sideways (G1)" because the G1 cartoon would be his earliest chronological appearance.
::::::@Gearshift... IIRC, in early 2008 we constructed a fully-thought-out justification why it would be consistent with our notability guidelines (we have them, they just '''very rarely''' come into play) why it would make sense to keep Sideways at "Sideways (Armada)" if we ever got a second character with his name.
::::::And then then [[Sideways (ROTF)]] was announced, the article just got moved to "Sideways (RID)" with very little discussion, and almost no objection. (I'm not quite sure why, but I speculate that Animated's flogging of just-like-G1-but-not characters combined with the increasing number of continuity-jumping characters just eroded a lot of the resistance people had to using the 'proper' disambig.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:42, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Actually, even if a black G1 Seeker was revealed to be the same guy, he still would be Sideways RID, since we established that toy releases take precedence in terms of first franchise. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:50, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm blanking, could you cite me an example? (Wing Dagger type situations don't count.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:52, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::[[Help talk:Disambiguation/Franchise-based vs. Fiction-based]] --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:59, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::OK, but what if there was G1 fiction that repurposed an existing G1 toy, say Doubleclouder, as the same old lovable Sideways? Then would we move him to Sideways (G1) since the first toy of him was in the G1 line? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:49, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::''My'' understanding would be no, since he was never officially released as that toy, and the toys still take precedence. The fiction only counts if there's no official toy to work from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:09, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::: Fair. But if some new fiction retroactively made, say Beast Wars Megatron the same character as Go-Bots Megatron, then we'd move Megatron (BW) to Megatron (G2) since that that would be an exactly analogous situation to Sideways. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:39, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Probably the article would be at "Doubleclouder" with the "Sideways (RID)" stuff moved there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:43, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::I don't think Jeysie was suggesting that he ''was'' Doubleclouder... rather than the DC toy was repurposed-within-the-same-continuity-family to represent two separate characters, like the G2 Cyberjets Air Raid and Aero Raid.
:::::::::::If a Japanese guidebook revealed no-appearances G2 Go-bot "Double Clutch (G2)" to be [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4a__-u6czw#t=4m20s Sandstorm's unnamed friend from Fight or Flee], we'd move it to "Double Clutch (G1)" with no real debate-- the character was around by that name in G1. It's that simple, right? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:00, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::''"Beginning. Middle. End. Facts. Details. Condense. Plot. Tell it."'' ~'''Agent Simmons''' Yay or nay to the idea of a move? [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 06:49, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Nay, he was an RID toy first. For the rationale, read the page I linked to. (Basically, I made the same sort of argument you did in your edit summary, and we hashed it out and realized that just doesn't work logistically after all.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 08:10, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

See, I don't get that at all, Jeysie. With Sideways, we've got basically two different characters with the same name in two different franchises. A third franchise comes along and declares them to be the same character, so we decide to disambig by the earliest chronological toy. (Authorial intent on those original tech specs is dubious, since many times name reuse comes with similar phraseology across franchises with no intent that the toy represents the same character.) If we think that this is enough to move the disambiguation to the first toy, then that should be the rule for all characters retroactively declared to be the same guy. If BW Megatron is declared cannonically to have been the same dude as Go-Bots Megatron from the earlier G2 franchise, then we should move him to Megatron (G2).

A corollary to this is that, since we disambig by the TOY of first franchise for characters who are retroactively the same across timelines, if we need to disambig Unicron for whatever reason he'll be Unicron (Armada). (OH, I'm so tempted to actually stick in a non-Unicron character named Unicron into one of my books just to see that argument.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:20, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

:Personally, I don't like that Robot Masters can retcon the Armada continuity. I think that ''in the Robot Masters continuity'', RID Sideways = Armada Sideways, but ''in the Armada continuity,'' RID Sideways ≠ Armada Sideways. Saying RID Axer came from G1 is different, because it isn't really retconning any G1 fiction except to say that once all the G1 fiction was over with, he hopped into the RID universe. Having said that, I think RID is a little bit of an exception. The toyline was sort of used as a catch-all "Universe"-type concept with a loose regard to continuity. It has "Air Attack Optimus Primal" for example. He is taken as the Optimus Primal from the Beast Machines era. If he is the Optimus Primal his bio draws RID into the Beast Wars's history.
:As for your Megatron example, Go-Bots Megatron is G1 Megatron. The bio says Megatron took this new car altmode so Megatron (BW) would move to Megatron (G1). Your Unicron example shows why the toy should not necessarily take precedence. It should be the first real-world appearance, be it toy or fiction. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:48, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::Thing is... they're not really all that different as characters. The RID and Armada bios are if not 1:1 exact, they're so damn close they might as well be. This was a source of confusion as soon as Sideways's Armada bio was revealed, and it's possible that the production scheduling meant Armada Sideways was developed first despite being released second. And we were still kind of not used to the whole "multiverse" thing yet. At any rate, I frankly advise against trying to nail down a standard for bizarre hypotheticals. Ours is a fucked-up franchise, and trying to predict how to handle the next strange once-in-a-lifetime mutation is really an exercise in futility. A lot of what we do really does have to fall under a case-by-case with the hope that general guidelines will suffice. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Hey, that's the answer I wanted all along - let's go case-by-case and let common sense prevail. That being the case, wouldn't the 'common sense' answer be to move Sideways back to Armada, which is where the bulk of his characterization comes from and where most fans know him from? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:23, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I think any fan who really knows about Sideways in Armada must by definition be hardcore enough to have known he was the RID character already. I mean, he's a second-stringer from a cartoon most people hated from 7 years ago. With that in mind, I think the risk of actually confusing anybody is very, very slight. Besides, part of Sideways' characterization prominently featured in our article is that "self-sufficient ninja" shtick, which really was introduced in RID, and there is simply no way to NOT have the article introduction mention his RID incarnation. So once we've acknowledged it, what's wrong with keeping it in his name? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:42, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

:This whole "toys first" thing is total nonsense. It stems from the discussion Jeysie linked to (thanks for saving it! Do you have the other pieces too? We need those back here...), where Siph was (over)reacting to Jeysie's claim that the toys didn't really matter at ''all.'' In the end, what actually matters is FRANCHISE, which applies to BOTH TOYS AND FICTION. Jim, your example is a perfect case: If we ever needed to disambiguate [[Unicron]], making him "Unicron (Armada)" because that was the franchise that first sold him as a toy is ridiculous. He was created as a character in the 1986 movie, which was released under the G1 franchise. THAT'S his franchise of origin.
:Your questioning of the (RID) on this article is also very keen: What does "origin" mean when you involve cross-franchise retconning? I don't have a clear answer, though I'm on the side of (RID) because the retcon was such a very short leap, due to the nontrivially-similar bios and the association the RID character had with [[Axer (G1)|another dimension-hopper]] from the get-go. This is admittedly a judgement call, and the hypothetical example of retconning a G1 character who has no inherent connection (the "black Seeker") into this Sideways would be a much more challenging case. Good thing we don't have to deal with it yet!
:Though I'm not as dismissive of "bizarre hypotheticals" as Siph is. The idea of putting a parenthetical on this article was at one point a hypothetical that we had a valuable discussion around. I think Derik is misremembering the outcome of that; I recall it ending with more support for (RID), which I thought was why the actual move was so uncontroversial.
:- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:29, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::There's the [[Talk:Insecticon swarm|Insecticon Swarm]] talk page and the [[Help:Disambiguation/Franchise-based vs. Fiction-based|main notes]], if that's what you mean by "other parts".
::And, what do you mean "toys first thing is total nonsense"? I distinctly remember that I came down on the side of determining franchise of origin by the fiction, everyone yelled at me, we had the whole discussion, and determined that remaining with determining franchise of origin via the toys was the best way to handle it.
::If people suddenly start changing to the reverse and taking up my initial argument of determining franchise by the fiction, I swear I'm gonna kick y'all out of irritation until you make up your freakin' minds. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:40, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::As I said in that discussion, the toys-vs.-fiction thing is a false dichotomy. Take the toys entirely out of the equation, and there are still franchises. Every piece of TF fiction - be it comic, TV show, book, whatever - is released with some kind of franchise-identifier (usually the logo on the cover or in the intro sequence). It doesn't matter HOW a character appears first, whether it's a toy or a drawing on a page or a 3D rendering onscreen; what matters is what franchise that appearance is under.
:::'''Edit:''' Oh, and yeah, those are exactly the "other pieces" I mean. Those totally need to be reincorporated into the wiki; in total, they're pretty much the Debate To End All Debates on this topic.
:::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:51, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Apparently they're not, seeing as how after all that, there's people here arguing the same stance I initially got griped at for. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:58, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Which is exactly why we need to have those discussions back on here, so we can point people to them and go, "There. THAT'S why." - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:27, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

::::I have nothing to add to this other than I've always considered Sideways to be an Armada character, and I think, despite what Thy says, one of the stand out characters of the series. I recall people going "HOLY CRAP NO WAY!" back when forums used to have play-by-play threads for Armada and we watched [[Detection]]. Basically, if TF fans hear the name Sideways, they think "the purple motorcycle guy from Transformers Armada". --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:54, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

::I just want to point out for clarification... Robotmasters didn't ''retcon'' Rid Sideways into being Armada Sideways... RM ''confirmed'' it, having been hinted at before (and there being discussion to that effect on att.)
::Sideways was part of a 2-pack... the other guy was Axer, whose bio showed that he was G1 Axer and he'd been accidentally transported into the RiD-verse. Obviously Sideways was their joke... making him an ''upcoming'' character, so the two pack was ''both'' guys from other universes, one old, one new.
::(Left we forget, in 2002 when they were released, a lot of the fandom was operating on the idea that Transformers was a 'mythology', where everything was part of one big loose universe that kinda-sorta fit with everything else, just not all at once. Axer being transported from one reality to another was the first example of the Transofrmers Multiverse EVER, a concept that was being developed for Armada.)
::I also don't think we disambigh characters by toylines... we disambig the, by franchise. It's just that toyline have an ''almost'' 1:1 relatioship with franchises. (which in turn have a .9:1 relationship with the continuity family) that screws people up.
::If we used the ''toyline'', we'd have "Blurr (Universe)" or "Blurr (Universe 2008)" instead of "Blurr (Shattered Glass)". -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:21, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Er, I had been under the impression that Shattered Glass was its own separate toy franchise, insofar that the BotCon toys were released under that label.
:::But in any case, I'm more than just a little frustrated that we spent all that time determining that we ''do'' in fact disambiguate characters by toy franchise—including my getting ''insulted'' by various people for even contemplating disambiguating by fiction—and now folks are taking the opposite standpoint. WTF. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:33, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::And I'm getting frustrated that you keep misrepresenting the current rule as being "toy-based." It's NOT. It's whatever came first, whether it's toy OR fiction. Yes, some people argued against you in a toy-based way, but I don't think they represent the sum total of all arguments against your point of view. For a while, you were attempting to do away with the franchise-of-origin rule entirely, in favor of whatever term (franchise, continuity family, series, etc.) was most representative of the scope of each particular character's appearances. And THAT'S the kind of thing that I saw most people balking at, since it invited debate on almost every disambiguated page we have. "One simple rule" was what the real dogpiling was all about, and the toys-vs.-fiction thing was totally secondary to that. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:49, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::'''Yes''', it is. The entire '''point''' of the discussion was disambiguating by toys vs. disambiguating by fiction. And we specifically agreed at one point as part of the examples that toy appearances take precedence! It's all ''there'' in the discussions.
:::::But whatever. I just find it ironically irritating that I had a standpoint, everyone told me it was wrong, I was convinced it was wrong (by '''you''', I might add) and changed to agreeing with everyone else... and now I'm wrong again because people are doing a 180 from the standpoint they reached last time.
:::::Whatever, it's pretty obvious I can't win. I'm just going to bow out before I have to deal with being insulted again even though I'm trying to advocate the same freakin' conclusion we reached the last time this came up. Wish people could make up their damn minds on things and stick to it. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:07, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::SG Blurr was released in the ''Timeines'' toyline. And the SG guys that didn't have to be disambiguated were at "(Timelines)" till people complained about having to remember which characters get "(Shattered Glass)" and which don't. (Why are we using "Shattered Glass", anyway? Wouldn't it be more consistent for us to use "SG"?) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:33, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::: I gotta agree with Interrobang, SG seems like a more sensible disambiguation than the entire phrase.
::::: Jeysie, rereading the link you posted, I don't really see a clear consensus for any position. Maybe I'm just not reading closely enough. Certainly, franchise of origin (be it toy or fiction or something else) seems like the most sensible choice to me, if only to avoid the Unicron (Armada) example above.
::::: Derik, I think it's inaccurate of you to state, unambiguously, that Axer and Sideways were intended to both be dimension hopping characters from the get-go. A mention of a black hole does not automatically mean a continuity-hopping character. It's a fun inference to draw, but until Robot Masters confirmed it all we had was fanon. (I'll point out that many bios echo elements of earlier incarnations of characters from other continuities. The earliest bios for Optimus Primal and BW Megatron seem to imply that they were the same characters as G1 Prime & Megatron, maybe we should combine those articles. Oh, and Optimus Prime in G1 was seen entering a black hole to find Nucleon ... maybe Armada Optimus Prime is the same guy? Heck, wasn't RID Megatron specifically from a dimensional rift? Let's fanon out who HE was supposed to be! )
::::: Finally, I'm with FFN, Sideways was a stand-out character from Armada. I think it's pretty easy to be a fan of his without knowing that there was a toy-only character of his with a similar bio that was later retconned into the same guy by a Japanese franchise. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:19, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::I was thinking the other day that (SG) would have made more sense. Not sure it's worth having to move 100+ articles at this point, though.
::::::And, I was pretty much the only one who thought that using the fiction as a basis for origin was a good idea... everyone else (who took the time to comment, anyway... if there's people who agreed with me, they couldn't be fussed to actually say anything at the time) was ''quite'' clear on stating they thought I was nuts. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:53, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::May as well do it now, before it becomes 200. Besides, there will surely be some SG Animated or RID or UT at some point, so we'll probably be changing them all anyway. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:29, 31 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::::If we are going to move them, we'd be best off having Derik's bot do it, I think, if it can be tweaked for that purpose. Especially since we'd need to tag all of the moved talk page redirects to be deleted, and change all links, and... *groan*
::::::::But I'm honestly not sure we'd ever need to do it. There won't be an SG UT, per se, because there's already UT characters in the existing SGverse, and I can't see there ever being an official SG Animated or Movie. (I got the feeling that once the existing SG storyline plays out, that'll pretty much be it, seeing as how it'd be a couple years old at that point, at least.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:39, 31 July 2009 (EDT)

::::::Jim, to your comment that there was no "clear consensus for any opinion"... Skimming over the links, it looks like we're still missing the heart of the discussion. The debate started at [[Talk:Insecticon swarm|Swarm (G1)]], migrated to [[Help talk:Disambiguation]], and ended with [[Help:Disambiguation/Franchise-based vs. Fiction-based|Jeysie's Sandbox]] (and accompanying [[Help talk:Disambiguation/Franchise-based vs. Fiction-based|Talk page]]). As you can see, we're still missing Talk:Disambiguation, which is where the debate truly became epic. Believe it or not, Talk:Swarm (G1) was only the warmup. And by the time the Sandbox was made, most of the participants had petered out. In the meantime, I distinctly remember a violent pileup in the middle, where it seemed like every damn editor had jumped in. I recall a certain viewpoint being supreme, but obviously Jeysie recalls differently. Please tell me there's a cached version somewhere out there.....? It would be a damn shame for all that butt-hurt to vanish into the ether, dooming us to repeat it again someday. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:13, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::...I don't remember there ever being any discussion on "Help:Disambiguation". The "big epic discussion" took place on Swarm and my Sandbox talk as far as I know. At least, those were the only parts of the discussion ''I'' personally took part in. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:03, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::On your copy of Talk:Insecticon swarm, there's a note right above the "Merge to Insecticon (G1)" section that says, "Due to the size and scope of this debate, it is recommended further discussion be taken to Help talk:Disambiguation." I swear to you on the grave of my mother's camel and my uncle's goat and even my sister's donkeys that the discussion WAS taken there, and you were involved in it, and that's where it truly got hairy. That was where I suggested the idea of doing a sandbox in the first place. (Note that the idea had not been mentioned in the Swarm-page discussion.) It was basically more of the same, but by the end there were people totally coming out of the woodwork to defend the status quo. Hooper called us all retards... is any of this ringing a bell? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 03:26, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Well, I remember the being insulted and everyone disagreeing with me part, but I had thought that took place on one of those two pages. I remember making the Sandbox because of the Swarm discussion, not there being an interim thing. In any case, the only cache for any Disambiguation discussion page is "Transformers Wiki talk:Disambiguation" with Steve-O saying it should be deleted since we already had "Help:Disambiguation", so, yeah. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 03:42, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::: Leaving hurt feelings and bruised egos aside, having an argument once doesn't invalidate the need to revisit those conclusions from time to time, as the franchise (and our understanding of it) evolves. I think that disambiguating by the franchise of origin, be it from a toy or from the fiction, is a generally sound policy. Is that agreed? (The corner cases are those instances where retcons 'move up' the francise of origin, but I think understanding the general case first is a good move.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:19, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::In this case, this is '''at least''' our fourth or fifth go-round on this subject.
:::::::::::That's good though, because the the situation keeps changing. Back when we were first having it, disambigs were fairly clear-cut. You have (G1), (BW) etc. There was very little name duplication withint he G1 franchise. But that's changing. We're getting a lot more toys issues within G1, so now it's not un-common to see G1 guys disambig'd (Universe) or (Timelines). (Both disambigs I loathe, BTW, because Univerrse and Timelines both have toys ftrom non-G1 continuity families.) As the problem gets more complicated, we need to revisit our assumptions from time to time.
:::::::::::My only input into thisdiscussion... I'm against (SG) for Shattered Glass guys. As there is a not-insignificant chance we'll eventually get a Shattered Glsass Movieverse (or something... Wyatt said he wished he'd gotten to do a SG Animated ep...) I think we are ''far'' mroe likely to end up moving these articles to "(Shattered G1)." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:51, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::"(Shattered Glass)" does not make the articles immune from that problem, and we shouldn't be doing policies on "Maybe!" ("(SG G1)". Or "(Primax-)" if we're feeling hilariously dorky.)[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:20, 1 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::: I disagree. Maybe is a great reason to make changes. Forward looking changes make our lives easier. I think SG G1 would be a much better disambig than Shattered Glass. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 01:27, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::: The weird thing about (SG G1) is... on the one hand, technically it is, since it's in Primax. On the other hand, we've got the likes of Will, Rick, Demolisher, and Dropshot in there. On the gripping hand, it's not like SG doesn't defy every other attempt to apply standard rules to it without there being utter weirdness (I'm reminded of the line on Continuity Family: "It is entirely possible for a universe to be exactly 50% 'Robots in Disguise' and 50% 'Armada', defying categorization.").
:::::::::::::: I'd still almost want to just leave it at (SG) and just have (SG Movie) or (SG Animated) if it comes up. (Although I admit I don't think it will... it seems like by the time the current SG storyline finishes, FunPub would be moving on to something else. Much to my complete sadness, admittedly.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 02:26, 2 August 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Yeah, it's nice to have a backup plan, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. Right now, all we need is a single parenthetical for "Shattered Glass", period. The only reason I see for spelling it out is the assumption that most people wouldn't know what "SG" stands for... but when has that [[Ultra Magnus (Universe Two-Pack)|stopped]] [[Sandstorm (OC)|us]] [[Bombshock (ROC)|before]]? I vote for "(SG)". - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 16:12, 3 August 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::I vote for (SG) as well, but we should really move this to [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass (franchise)]], I think. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:19, 3 August 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Sideways is not UT Sideways ==

As Sorenson on the Allspark Forums pretty clearly stated, (http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=70553&view=findpost&p=1575577) Almanac is full of in-Jokes and easter eggs. There is no reason at all to maintain that Animated Sideways vacation spot marks him as the ROTF Character of the same name. The intent certainly was not to combine the two character, but rather as a joke/easter egg giving a wink toward Hasbro's name reuses. And even if it was, the stretch is highly tenuous, and would fall under the TFWiki's own definitions of Authorial Intent (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Authorial_intent) and Pseudocannon (http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Pseudocanon). - Master Fwiffo
:I'd just like to point out that saying RID Sideways is ROTF Sideways based on the single mention of a word is akin to saying the motorcycle Wreck-Gar threw at Bumblebee was actually the corpse of G1 Wreck-Gar who happened to dimension-hop there. Or that Spike and Carly and Daniel dimension-hopped from G1 and decided to live in Animated instead. Or that WASP from Shattered Glass is actually a dimension-hopping AniBee who was killed and whose corpse was converted into a salesbot. In other words, I'm saying a simple fanwank does not a large continuity reshuffle make. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:03, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
Yes, combining ROTF Sideways with UT/RID Sideways after an in-joke in the Almanac is not really a good move. I mean, we didn't merge Optimus Prime (RID) with Optimus Prime (G1) when some Takara guy says that they're the same continuity, did we? I mean, merging every single Fallen and Unicron and Primus is already confusing to people not familiar with the multiversal singularity thing, there's nothing to say that Sideways the dimension hopper is the same Sideways that got bisected in ROTF. And that is even if Sideways hopped from Animated to ROTF. It's an small in-joke, is all. [[Special:Contributions/110.138.16.169|110.138.16.169]] 09:59, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:In Japanase fiction, "Fire Convoy" is indeed in the same continuity as "Convoy". But they are different characters. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:11, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::I really wish you people would stop retardedly using "CR is in G1" as an argument against this. [[:Category:Car Robots characters|We recognize and embrace it.]] Find another dead horse to beat. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:43, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

==Sideways is a special case. Little bus special.==
I don't go by author-intentism, though I am curious to see the reaction of those who do to Sorenson's "in-jokes and Easter Eggs" comment. Speaking only for myself, if it turns out Hasbro did not know Cybertronix was a real language instead of page deco then I am uncomfortable with any and all of the assertions that, under that circumstance, would have been snuck past their attention to be canonized by their stamp without review.

On the evidence itself, just about everybody agrees that Animated Sideways is clearly "the" Sideways. It is paradoxical to claim that a dimension jumper would be unique and constrained within the Animated dimension, therefore he has to be "somebody else," in this case the original Sideways.

Since he has the ROTF body and is said to have the power to dimension-jump and is said to be going to Shanghai, one could make an after-the-fact, God-of-the-gaps, not explicitly conveyed in fiction argument that he's ROTF Sideways too.

And if this were '''ANY OTHER CHARACTER''', nobody would be willing to make the leap, the evidence would be judged to be not strong enough, and there would be two pages here.

But basically everything Sideways has ever done has been explained onto the fiction by the after-the-fact handwaving of secondary authors. He never actually DOES these remarkable and unique things attributed to him, just the next guy in line every 2 years or so writes him up as having done it while we were asleep. It's his shtick. We've already made that leap of faith like 3 times. It would be completely arbitrary for us to try to draw a line in the sand here and say "no further."

So while I don't like it, I can go along with it. Numerous editors--particularly those that post on Allspark--have also shown degrees of discomfort with the idea. If they've got real problems with it, I suggest that THEY suggest it be put up for a vote.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly: ''If this article is going to be merged, it will need much more explanatory "note" text throughout and a much shorter and less specific opening, more along the lines of [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Prowl II]].'' People are going to read the article from start to finish, and so we will literally have to walk them through the arguments for unity. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 10:38, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

: (I hope I'm doing this right) The thing is, ROTF Sideways *has* a personality - not in the movies, but through the toy bios and video games and heck, even those UK comics. And those pretty clearly show that these two aren't the same character. All the other Sideway's have faction swapping and some other sort of extra-dimensional powers attributed to them. ROTF Sideways was an average Decepticon. You can't make that leap then, because they are two different characters with literally no relationship whatsoever. If ROTF Sideways was a faction swapping - or even somewhat mysterious or something, I might could buy it. But he's not. He's Joe Average Decepticon. - Master Fwiffo

::'''''Sideways''' is the consummate con-artist. He is misleading and deceitful in everything he does, portraying himself as the ninja-like warrior or the aloof drifter, and he lives for the look of shock and betrayal on his victims' faces when they realize he's played them for fools.'' That's an excerpt from the very article. He could easily be playing it up in order to trick the people of this new universe. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 11:39, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

::: Yes, that's Armada Sideways bio. ROTF Sideways bio says he's a courier, that he's cowardly, that he's BFF with Demolishor, and gives no indication across any of his bios that he has super mystical unicronian powers. He *could* be lying. He *could* have lost his powers in a diminsion jump. He *could* have decided to go to Hawaii before Shanghai, donned a hula skirt while drunk, and gambled away his powers in a fit of drunken revelry. We have nothing whatsoever to prove this is the case. Not a damn thing. ALl we have is an in-joke in a book full of in-jokes that even if taken as fact IN NO WAY PROVES ANYTHING OTHER THAN ANIMATED SIDEWAYS THINKS SHANGHAI IS A NEAT PLACE TO VISIT.

:::In short, split these articles. - Master Fwiffo

::::No. You have a voice here, same as anyone, but you don't have the authority you seem to think you have. Make your argument, but don't tell people what to do.
::::For my part, I think it's perfectly reasonable to merge these. It's always been coming, and we now have fiction explicitly bridging the two. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 16:20, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

Obviously I put in a "No" vote. Not only is the Almanac not officially branded as Movie fiction, not only does it contradict stuff that ''was'' officially branded as Movie fiction, not only is there no proof that Hasbro approved the Almanac as anything but but a guide to Animated specifically and/or expected the non-Animated info to be taken seriously, but Sorenson even friggin' outright stated that the damn thing was only meant as a joke, and seeing as how his authorial intent was the only remote evidence for this applying to begin with... 
Yeah, let's stop this insanity. The wiki is not a place for the editors' pet fanon theories, it's a place for canon according to the people actually writing the storylines for each branded bit of fiction. The mention in the Almanac is worthy of a footnote at best, since it's at best authorial intent from someone with no connection to the actual branded Movie fiction anyway. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 11:55, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

:This article needs to be split in two again. There's zero canon evidence for a merger in this case. The one canon statement this is vaguely based on only states that Animated Sideways would like to go to Shanghai at some point. We don't know what universe the Shanghai he wants to go to is in, let alone whether or not he ever got there. The only evidence he did go to the one in the Movie universe is the intent of one of the authors. Looking at the page for authorial intent we get:
::''[[Authorial intent]]: Facts about the fiction that are stated/intended by the authors but never established in official fiction are often referred to as pseudocanon.''
:Subsequently, looking at pseudocanon we find:
::''[[Pseudocanon]]: Pseudocanon usually fits in well with the actual canon (at least until a later writer invalidates it), as it is the writers' idea of "what is really going on" as they craft their stories. However, because it is not established in any official fiction, it can't be taken as a given or definitely "true".''
:So according to this very Wiki, AUTHORIAL INTENT IS NOT CANON. And since authorial intent was the only reason the pages were merged in the first place, that means the pages were merged without basis. The prosecution rests. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 12:17, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

==D8==

Regarding the fact he was ALREADY sliced in half if the RID Sideways is ROTF Sideways.....does that mean he'll *gulp* come back?

[[User:Sideways 343|Sideways 343]] 03:42, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== This Revamp... ==

Just wanted to say I like the more genaric opening and the expanded explanitary notes on his weird situation added in this revamp. I might suggest a specific section, like Unicron has, directly following the bio to really address, directly and out of universe, all the retcons and hazy links that connect all the versions and how this came to be one page. As long as we're up front about the way the conglomorate character was built, where bits came from and how hazy the connections really are then there's absolutely no problem with keeping the merged. Our job is to get across the info on the character to the reader. Do that clearly and that's all that matters. IMO. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:37, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

:Plausability does not make it canon. If you guys won't put in Megatron's Spark being put back into him or Dead Mens Boots as canon, there is no reason whatsoever to for two characters that don't fit together. Leave that last paragraph with animated Sideways - and from there, link to the ROTF Sideways profile on it's own separate page. Again, this bridge is made of straw. -Master Fwiffo
::Can you please stop [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Dead_Men%27s_Boots imagining up] [[Megatron_(G1)#Beast_Wars|things the Wiki]] does not do? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:51, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:: I thought "plausibility does not make it canon" was our argument, not yours. (And I think I'd find your contribution on this one Hot Button Topic to be more palatable if you'd contributed here anywhere else ever. You don't even have a Userpage! You're only here to troll this one subject! It's kinda meatpuppety.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:50, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::: Walky, I don't edit the Wiki, because I know it'd destroy all my free time if I did, and I'm already overloaded on other TF projects over at the Allspark. I'm really thankful for the work you guys do. No, really. I am. I read the article a lot (far more, I'd wager, then the average TF fan). But I really feel I have to take a stand on this because I like *both* versions of Sideways too much to let them be the same character, especially on such a tenuous, shaky bridge. Doing this only cheapens both - because either UT Sideways got the hell gimped out of him when he hit Tyrax, or ROTF Sideways is actually just a mindless fabrication of someone whos actually superpowerful (except he did nothing but die on screen). I mean seriously, look at those two options. That's bad fanfic writing right there. It makes the entire concept of Drift look brilliant by comparison. THe only reason I even brought it up here is because people insisted that this argument should be involved more on the wiki - so I'm presenting it here. I really do feel strongly about this, and trying to connect such shaky dots and claim it cannon really offends my sensabilities. I make fanon assumptions and connections all the freaking time. I enjoy doing it. But I sure as heck don't post them on the wiki. -Master Fwiffo
:::So wait. The opinion of people who spend time on the wiki, but don't necessarily edit it is completely irrelevant? Especially on something that'll throw off the casual visitor like this?? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:26, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I'm saying that if Fwiffo wants to make a very major contribution IN GOOD FAITH, he could at least register his name. It's pretty simple! It makes it feel like he has an actual stake here, rather than making a hit-and-run contribution. (You curse out entirely too many anonymous/new editors for me to take your criticism here seriously.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::To be fair Interro, Dead Men's Boots is being put on here as pseudocanon and is the reason the apocrypha template is being created. You and Fwiffo are both half right and half wrong. And Walky, the plausibility argument goes both ways on this one. It's no more plausible that the two Sideways are one and the same, based on the statement of wanting to visit Shanghai, than it is plausible that they're not the same. Between that and a visual similarity that's just as likely to be merely an homage as not, I'm not actually sure we can prove either case. Which I would think means we have to assume the initial relationship between the characters (i.e. none) until proven otherwise. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 15:48, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::::While I grudgingly believe the threshold of Sideways' normal after-the-fact handwaving history has been reached, clearly a lot of other people do not. I really don't want to see this turn into an ATTCM moment. It isn't worth it for two sentences in a Drink-Your-Ovaltine secret code. I think a fair course of action would be to give people some more time to register their thoughts on what a merged-and-annotated draft looks like, but if it's still pretty much 50/50 (or worse) and the aggravation hasn't stopped, I'd be in favor of splitting Movieways out--with notation blurbs at the beginning of his article and the end of "main" Sideways' Animated section describing the issue and how they very well might be the same character. We could convey the exact same content that way, while still leaving it to readers to determine whether the Shanghai to which A-SW traveled was in Animated or in Movie. I think it would be highly inappropriate to just ''cut out the same-character suggestion for Movie-ways entirely''. On one page or two, it has to be there. Because dammit, the situation IS different when it is long established that a character can Quantum Leap. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:00, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I am in complete agreement with Thy on this one. BOTH DAMN SIDES are being really bulletheaded here, when there's a medium to be reached... the one he proposes. Let's look at our goddamn options to present the FACTS, whether we ''like'' ROTF Sideways being retconned into being the same one as the other one, just like ''every other weirdass issue we've had to deal with, from IDW's continuity to what the deal with Prime/WfC was continuity-wise'', and reach a consensus. I think we've more than hit Sideways-is-one saturation, even if there's room for debate... but then again, we hit that in ''so many other'' instances without this level of shit-slinging. 
:::::Because I swear, the level of pissy butthurt going on here is really, really embarrassing to witness. My god, people. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:07, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::I will throw my support behind this if it gets people to ''stop''. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:20, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Thy has my complete support, if only because his solution will finally end this continuity shitstorm. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 16:27, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I'm in favor of whatever results in a split page with a footnote and no more freakin' fanwank. (I'm not so much butthurt as I am crabby at how embarrassingly stupid all this fanwank has been.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 16:38, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::Don't really have an opinion on it, but it seems that it should at least be mentioned. The pages can be merged if/when it becomes more clear. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:46, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I don't really care about whether it's one page that mentions that they may or may not be the same, or two pages with notes saying "He may be the same guy as RID/ROTF Sideways." I don't really pay attention to all this complicated continuity stuff, so it'd be the same to me, as long as it conveys the same information. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 16:52, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::In case I hadn't made it clear before (I thought I had, but I guess not). I am *perfectly fine* with notes and blurbs on both pages saying they *might* be the same character by what the Almanac says. That was never an issue for me - the issue is the forced combination of the two when no solid bridge exist. Shoving them together only makes things confusing. - Master Fwiffo
::::::::::::I say we go with the common legal rule of "beyond a reasonable doubt." If evidence is shown that proves that Movie Sideways is UT Sideways beyond a reasonable doubt, then merge the shit out of them. The problem is that right now all we know is that UT Sideways wanted to go to Shanghai, right? There's, what, four Shanghais he can go to without going to the Movie universe? Until we see more evidence that he actually IS Movie Sideways, all we can say is that he went to A Shanghai. He might have even gotten the idea from seeing his counterpart from another universe get cut in half there. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 17:41, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I'd be perfectly happy with Thylacine's approach. And I very much agree with the "reasonable doubt" idea. That's what I was getting at with my edit just above Thy's suggestion. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:56, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::: Thy's approach sounds like a great idea. [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 18:00, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I think Thy has the right idea. The relationship between all the previous Sidewayses is certainly not rock-solid. I think everyone can agree on that point. The only two Sidewayses that are explicitely the same guy are the motorcycles from Robots in Disguise and Robot Masters. Anything else is connecting dots. It makes sense, and is probably worth a trivia note, but it's not definite. But here's the crux. No one really seemed to mind when those dots were connected previously. Robots in Disguise Sideways and Robot Masters Sideways are footnotes. They're essentially nobodies, notable only for probably being the same guy as UT Sideways. Animated Sideways, too, exists pretty much solely to create links. However, now movie Sideways is being brought into the fold on evidence no more rock solid than the link between RiD/RM and UT Sideways. The problem is, movie Sideways has a substantial amount of pre-existing fiction. He's his own character. So while there's just as much evidence (or lack thereof) connecting him to the dimension-hopping Sideways as UT Sideways has, there's a force opposing the connection caused by the fact that his movie persona exists, and that that persona is so different than the other Sidewayses (by which I mean UT Sideways, who's really the only one that's fleshed out). Basically, I tend to look at it like this - if the Movie Sideways article is divorced from the UT Sideways article - and I believe it should be, based on the lack of uncontroversial evidence linking them- then the RiD/RM Sideways must also be split from UT Sideways by the same criteria.[[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 18:14, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::::::The reasonable doubt approach sounds fine to me. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 19:39, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

== Next Revamp ==

I've taken a stab at recreating ROTF Sideways, with necessary annotations, on my userpage. I don't remember how it originally began so I just whipped up the opening 'graf that you see. Let me know what you think. As for Sideways (RID), I'm envisioning that page's fiction section ending with the Animated notation, and then all the toys / merch / trivia pertaining to ROTF just vanishing. If there's some more elegant way to do this, please forgive me for not doing so--this is my first time trying my hand at something like this. If the original ROTF Sideways page is archived somewhere, I guess I just wasted some time. ;) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:44, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:The last revision on ROTF Sideways prior to this is here, if it helps: [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Sideways_%28ROTF%29&oldid=473798] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:56, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::....yeah, that woulda helped. Can we just re-instate that one, and then add annotations as necessary? And then, I guess, restore the "(RID)" suffix to this page...? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:15, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::This seems like a good compromise, but "the other Sideways" should be changed to "a Sideways", because the former implies that it is indeed the case that the two Sidewayses are different, while the latter seems about as ambiguous as possible.

Could someone please destroy the ROTF redirect to the current page? Can't create a new page if the title is already in the system. Thanks. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:43, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:If you click on the "redirected from" it takes you to the redirect page, click on history, click on the last non-redirect page, edit that to restore the previous page. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:08, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

== Multiversal Singularity? ==

Considering how the Allspark Almanac is basically retconning UT Sideways (who is apparently the same as RID Sideways) to be the same as ROTF Sideways as well as Animated Sideways, should we put Sideways in the multiversal singularity category now? --[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] 17:01, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:Nah. Sideways is more of a dimension hopper. Plus, I don't think there's anything saying that he's a multiversal singularity. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 17:04, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::Unicron is supposedly getting his counterpart to the Thirteen, so I wouldn't be surprised if later retcons have Sideways as one of them. But I'm just speculating. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:00, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Also, it ''doesn't'' retcon UT Sideways into being ROTF Sideways. We're still not sure on that. (We know he's Animated Sideways, though.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 01:57, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::No, we don't even know ''that''. The source is vague on the issue, ''plus'' the writer of said source says his book is full of easter eggs.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:21, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::"Easter eggs" =/= "false" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:39, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::"Ambiguously phrased easter eggs" =/= "definite proof". Y'know, just like [http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/quasar.html Buried Alien] is not definitely Barry Allen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:04, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::well it could be possible that he could of just changed his paint job while traveling between universes.--[[User:Crystallskullguy|Crystallskullguy]] 11:12, 12 July 2010 (EDT)

== Cartoon Sideways vs. Comic Sideways ==

I haven't read the Dreamwave Armada comics (yet), so I'm not certain on this, but with Sideways being a dimension-hopper and all, could his Dreamwave comics counterpart be the same individual as his cartoon self? I know that this kind of question would automatically be answered "No" with any other character (excluding Multiversal Singularities), but since this is Sideways we're talking about, would/could his comics self be his cartoon self dimension-hopped into the comic universe? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:20, 6 February 2011 (EST)
: There's no evidence either way. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:: So, he could be either like how there's Armada cartoon Optimus and Armada comic Optimus or the same guy? Well, that's... ambiguous. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:46, 6 February 2011 (EST)
:::Yeah, this is iffy mostly because he wasn't established as a dimension hopper until Robot Masters... He may well be a version of Sideways never doomed to Unicron's servitude or dimension hopping, since there's nothing indicating he's a multiversal singularity like The Fallen or Vector Prime. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 14:06, 6 February 2011 (EST)
::::I do get that he's not a Multiversal Singularity like Primus or the 13 (existing in all realities as one transcendental individual being), but he does bear a resemblance to the kind of Mult-Sing that Unicron is (a single being who travels from world to world, existing only in whichever world he's currently in). Note that I'm not trying to say that he ''is'' a Mult-Sing (that's definitely not confirmed), but just that he is ''similar'' to the kind that Unicron is. It is because of this similarity that has me wondering if the Comic Sideways was same guy as the Cartoon Sideways. His MTMTE profile is written very similar to his portrayal in the cartoon, but I'd presume that it's intended for his comic self (since both were Dreamwave product). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 15:20, 6 February 2011 (EST)

===Multiversal singularity===
Would Sideways be considered a multiversal singularity since he's the same guy from about 4 or five continuities? --[[User:BlackStarscream|BlackStarscream]] 02:24, 3 October 2012 (EDT)
:Look up. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:13, 3 October 2012 (EDT)

== Headmaster? ==

PunchSydeiron added a note about Sideways being the only Headmaster with two separate heads that was then removed by Detour with the comment that "He's not a Headmaster". The problem is that this article has been tagged with the Headmasters category since 15 March 2008 (added by Gyro-Robo). Is the category in error? Is there some reason Sideways is in the category but is not actually a Headmaster? Whatever the reason, I feel we owe it to PunchSydeiron to explain why his edit was incorrect when the article already claims Sideways is a Headmaster. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:53, 5 September 2013 (EDT)
: I think the reason is "Detour." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:30, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
::Probably. I guess I just took Headmaster as being those guys whose sole existing heads were the ones that turned into little robots (or little aliens in robot suits), whereas Sideways has his own head there. So I may well be way in the wrong with "He's not a Headmaster". But I still say the note doesn't belong, because [[Rapid Run (Energon)|Rapid Run]] would also qualify as having two Headmaster heads. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:42, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
:The usual test is whether a character's been referred to as such. He's not called out as a Headmaster in his bio or MTMTE profile - maybe on the packaging? The fact he's relegated to a note on the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] page suggests that he's not officially one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:53, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
::I tend to think that robots whose heads turn into robots are rare enough that we can reasonably call them Headmasters, whether or not they're referred to as such in any official media. If this is really an issue, we can throw in a note saying that this is our inference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 02:19, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
::That was my interpretation when I undid the edit... Power Core Combiner characters come with little robots who turn into guns but we don't refer to them as Targetmasters... But again, even if the Wiki's official stance on Sideways is that he is a Headmaster, he's not a unique case of having two heads, seeing how his moldmate Rapid Run has two as well. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:51, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
:::Considering the fairly limited release of Rapid Run (and the fact that I even forgot he existed), we can probably assume that PS simply didn't know about him. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 05:34, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
::::Given that Rapid Run DOES exist, and that Sideways is slightly iffy as a Headmaster, Detour is clearly right to remove the note about the two separate heads. I just would argue that we should keep the category.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:10, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::I would think Sideways only went in the Headmaster category if he has been explicitly identified as a Headmaster (which has always been the requirement for Triple Changer membership here). There is essentially zero chance Rapid Run has, because nothing has been written about Rapid Run. Therefore, the note could still technically be true, assuming Sideways has officially been called a Headmaster. (Though I definitely think a note under those circumstances should acknowledge Rapid Run's existence.) -[[User:LV|LV]] 09:41, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::There's another factor... is that note interesting? I'd suggest that it isn't. We've seen Headmasters swap heads before in fiction, so he's not the only character so change heads around. If it's a toy feature we're talking about, he's been redecoed into a different character, so that's not interesting either. Besides, if you're on this page you already know all about how his Mini-Cons work, so repeating it in the trivia section isn't necessary.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:00, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, looking over this discussion removing the note was probably the right thing to do, but the explanation seemed abrupt and at odds with the page. I just thought we needed to make sure we weren't biting the newbie here. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:16, 6 September 2013 (EDT)
::::::::Do the guys who still have a head of their own (Sideways, Rapid Run, Omega Supreme, Omega Sentinel) use "Headmaster" technology or some other technology? (I don't know what all their boxes say.) Maybe if we aren't sure they shouldn't be in the Headmasters category. The wiki is pretty strict on who goes in the Triple Changers and Targetmasters categories. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:07, 6 September 2013 (EDT)

Headmaster (technology)

2013-09-07T01:53:53Z

Starfield: Armada Overload fiction. Re-arranged categories.

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[[Image:Trialbyfire-headmaster-rollcall.jpg|right|300px|thumb|This probably hurts.]]
'''Headmasters''' are a type of symbiotic variation on the [[Transformer]] lifeform in which a smaller being, frequently but not exclusively organic, [[Transformation|transforms]] into the head of a larger robot. Headmaster bonding typically occurs between two sentient beings, but there have been cases in which the head or the body (such as the [[Transtector]]s or the [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] clones created by the [[Machination]]) is a non-sentient construct controlled entirely by the other partner.

When it occurs between two sentient beings, the benefits of the Headmaster procedure are many: The partner gains control of a larger, more powerful body, and the Transformer gains an extra perspective on the battlefield, the psychic [[binary bonding]] involved allowing him to draw on both his own ideas, tactics, and instincts as well as those of his partner as quickly as if they were coming from his own head (since they are). Agility, reaction speed, and targeting accuracy are often enhanced by the process.

The Headmaster process leaves its subject Transformers with one glaring disadvantage: when separated from their partners, they have no head. Most can continue to function as vehicles without their partners, but can do little in robot mode besides stand around.

In conversation, the term "Headmaster" can apply to both the small partner (the head) and the significant other (the body).

==Fiction==
{{note|Early promotional materials, including [[catalog]]s and toy [[commercial]]s, advertised the Decepticon Nebulan partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions, rather than equal partners. One [[commercial]] took this so far as to have the "trainers" holding whips and ordering Weirdwolf, et. al. to jump through hoops of fire.}}
===Marvel Comics===
[[Image:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Next step: Pez dispenser.]]
The Headmaster technology was primarily the invention of the [[Nebulan]] scientist [[Arcana]] and was designed originally to let Nebulans utilize the bodies of [[Autobot]]s to defend their world, something they did not trust the Autobots enough to let them do on their own.

The organic Nebulans of the Headmaster pairings were able to transform by use of a special suit of "intra-restruction armor" and a "cybernetic mindlink helmet" {{storylink|All or Nothing!}} that interfaced with bio-cybernetic augmentation in the surgically altered humanoid. As described by Arcana, the process as originally enacted allowed the Autobots (still separate, disembodied heads at that point) to radio control their old bodies, while the Nebulan partners observed and planned strategy. This joint cooperation of two minds allowed greatly increased agility and superior aim.

The technology was implemented under dire circumstances, as the Nebulan capital city of [[Koraja]] was under siege by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons, who sought the surrender of five Autobots held in Nebulan custody. Five volunteer Nebulans underwent radical reconstructive surgery to allow them to bond with the five Autobots, including Fortress Maximus, Brainstorm, Hardhead, Chromedome and Highbrow. Now under Nebulan control, the Headmaster Autobots easily repulsed the Decepticon attack, despite being outnumbered two to one. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

The Decepticons reluctantly accepted the possible benefits of this cooperation with organics, and six of them underwent the Headmaster process, with Scorponok bonding to the Nebulan Lord [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]. Luring Fortress Maximus's team into an ambush, Scorponok and his fellow Headmasters Mindwipe, Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf, Apeface and Snapdragon soon defeated their foes, blasting them unconscious, which caused their heads to disconnect and return to human form. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}} The Autobot-allied Nebulans were taken captive and strung up in a suspended animation prison, while Scorponok's Headmasters rampaged across Nebulos, leaving Nebulan ruins and Autobot corpses in their wake. Realizing that his mind was being re-written by Scorponok, Zarak used the last shreds of his sanity to free the Autobot Headmasters. Fortress Maximus and his band soon left Nebulos for Earth, with the Decepticons in pursuit. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

[[Image:Trialbyfire-cerebros-headpitch.jpg|left|150px|thumb|The Headmaster Process: When your head absolutely positively has to get there overnight.]]
En route to Earth, Fortress Maximus was rebuilt into a larger form, with ''two'' Headmaster components: a small robot that transformed into his head, and his partner Galan, who now became the small robot's head.

The two squads of Headmasters soon faced off again on Earth, in a battle inside the cave that had previously held the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. During the battle, Fortress Maximus and Scorponok both used their smaller Headmaster components to travel through an increasingly tight series of tunnels. Doing so, however, exposed Fortress Maximus's partner Galan to attack, and he died saving the Earthling, Spike. With Galen killed while separated from Fortress Maximus, Spike demonstrated that it was possible for an organic to control/communicate with the larger robot's form with only the control helmet, as he took control of Fortress Maximus with nothing more than Galen's control helmet. Rejuvenated by their leader's attack, the Autobots soon drove off the Decepticon Headmasters. {{storylink|Trial by Fire!}}

The Headmasters largely stayed in the background during most of the Autobots' subsequent adventures, though Fortress Maximus remained a major player in the events leading up to the [[Underbase Saga|Underbase catastrophe]].

Later, a weakness of the ad hoc nature of the Headmaster partnership became apparent. As the partnerships continued, two minds could meld into one, or conflict on nearly every level. For example, Spike and Fortress Maximus were two separate minds sharing one body, with each dominant in his own form and able to converse with the other; while Lord Zarak and Scorponok seemed to reach some sort of fusion where he was both beings merged into one, with Scorponok to all intents and purposes becoming entirely subsumed by Zarak's personality (to the extent that, [[On the Edge of Extinction!|during the battle with Unicron]], "Scorponok"'s interior monologue identifies himself as being Zarak merely filling the role of Scorponok, implying that the original Scorponok psyche was essentially gone). A similar situation developed between Powermaster [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Hi-Q]], except in the reverse.

====Classics====
{{note| The ''Classics'' stories take place after the end of the original Marvel Comic, but in a [[splinter timeline]] that does not include the events of the Marvel UK-exclusive stories or Generation 2.}}
The Headmaster process is reversible. {{storylink|Cheap Shots}}

===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
[[Image:Rebirth 1 Autobot heads.JPG|right||thumb|*gasp* I promise you! You shall be avenged!]]
In this continuity, the Headmaster process was the brainchild of [[Brainstorm]], who had advocated that using an organic partner would be a good strategy in combat with the [[Decepticon]]s. It also seems much less invasive for the organic humanoid involved. No surgical alteration is apparently needed on their part, and the process seems to consist mainly of altering the Transformer's head to 1) have a control center for a partner to sit at inside and 2) transform around the partner into a fancy [[exosuit]]. While some who have undergone it have commented at feeling a closer bond with their respective partners, there is no reason to believe there is any true psychic connection between them as in the binary bonding of other continuities. Before detaching his head, the Transformer downloads his memory and personality into his auxiliary memory circuits in his chest. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}

===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
Attempting to escape the wars on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], a group of diminutive Cybertronians (most of them only a little larger than human beings) fled the planet, only to have their ship crash on the hazardous, inhospitable planet [[Master (planet)|Master]]. The need for survival fostered several technological advances (helped in part by technology derived from a [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|time-traveling spaceship]] that crashed on the planet sometime later). Chief among them was the creation of "[[Transtector]]s": large, lifeless robot bodies which the smaller robots could connect to and control. The small Cybertronians had not yet actually mastered the art of [[transformation]], however, and had to undergo rigorous mental and physical training in order to become "Headmasters" (their name, obviously enough, derived from the planet itself).

The Headmasters subsequently migrated from Master and joined the Autobot and Decepticon forces on Cybertron and [[Earth]], leading to a lengthy conflict that ultimately resulted in both factions departing the Earth for a prolonged period of time. With easy access to Earth cut off, leaving its safety in doubt should it be attacked by Decepticons in the future, the Autobots on Master created [[Master-Brace]]s, technology that harnessed the mysterious [[Chōkon Power]] to transform humans and allow them to connect to Transtectors and become Headmasters themselves. A set of six Master-Braces and Transtectors were dispatched to Earth, but half the shipment was stolen by Decepticons, and both factions subsequently used the technology to turn three young human children into Headmasters in defense of Earth.

Cybertronian Headmasters possess numerous energy-manipulating superpowers. They are able to exchange Transtectors freely with their fellow Headmasters to increase their power levels and can link up with each other in the [[Head Formation]] for various destructive results. In contrast, human Headmasters do not possess any of these powers, but have their own natural physical strength and reflexes enhanced many times over by the energies filling their bodies. Their cellular structures undergo some form of ill-defined holistic transformation which allows them somehow to transform their actual, physical bodies into heads. However, unlike organic Headmasters in other continuities, they do not have to undergo any ''permanent'' alteration; they are capable of "turning off" their powers and becoming normal human beings with ease, the only drawback being that they are unable to remove the Master-Braces that give them their powers.

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[Image:Headmaster mech DW mtmte.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Did they include a bathroom in this thing?]]Headmaster technology was originally developed on Cybertron, to be used in conjunction with [[Micromaster]] technology. It would have allowed a normal-sized robot to transform its head into a small body to conserve [[Energon]]. The process was perfected on Nebulon to allow organic beings to act as the head of a Cybertronian body, using aspects of [[combiner]] technology.
The process was designed to put the Nebulon in control of the body, but the actual process as perfected by [[Brainstorm]] and [[Arcana]] resulted in a mental bonding and partnership, with the robot generally maintaining control. Modified organic beings are able to contort during transformation, though appear normal when not wearing the Headmaster armor. Out of their armor, they are indistinguishable from unmodified beings, though they possess improved strength and endurance.

Profile art depicted the Headmaster heads as larger "mecha" that the human partners pilot. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye}}

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===''Armada'' continuity===
[[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout's]] combination with [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] utilizes Headmaster technology. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada}} {{storylink|Armada Fleer card series}}<ref>{{SITENAME}}'s entry for [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]].</ref>

===IDW ''Generation 1'' continuity===
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[[Thinkbox]] was an ancient Headmaster, later retrieved by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] from the [[Murkdipper]] on the planet [[Spindrift]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3}}

In the modern period, Headmaster technology is a product of the shadowy human organization known as the [[Machination]], using technology developed by [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] on the planet [[Nebulos]]. Following a tip offered to him by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] found schematics for enhancing a biological entity with Cybertronian technology, in effect producing a "transformable man". Magnus was able to determine that Nebulan businessman [[Zarak (G1)|Mo Zarak]] had been subjected to this process shortly before Scorponok fled the premises. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}}

Approximately 18 years later, the Machination captured [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and [[Hunter O'Nion]]. They dismantled Sunstreaker and subjected Hunter to an extensive regimen of surgery and implants. Subsequently, they attempted to brainwash him into one of their soldiers. {{storylink|The Transformers: Escalation|Escalation}} Hunter resisted and was able to contact Sunstreaker, allowing him to become a Headmaster to fight for the Autobots. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}}

Initially, all Headmasters created by the Machination were non-sentient, guided by their human pilots. As well, all of these models were [[Sunstreaker clone|replicas]] of Sunstreaker, wired into the Autobot's actual head to help coordinate their movements. However, the success of these initial forays into the technology allowed for the first true binary-bond, enabling [[Abraham Dante]] to combine with his Decepticon master Scorponok to facilitate his rebirth. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}}

==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[Image:G1Brainstorm toy.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Brainstorm]]

* '''Autobot Headmasters''' (1987)
** [[Brainstorm]] with [[Arcana]]
** [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] with [[Stylor]]
** [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] with [[Duros]]
** [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] with [[Gort]]
:The four large Autobot Headmasters were sold boxed. They transform into futuristic/Cybertronian vehicles. Each has a vehicle mode compartment that the smaller Nebulan figure can ride in. Plugging in the transformed Nebulan in robot mode activates tumblers in the robot's chest, activating three Tech Spec readouts.

[[Image:G1FortressMaximus toy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Fortress Maximus, [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|previously]] the biggest Transformer ever.]]
* '''Headmaster Autobot Base''' (1987)
** [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] with [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]
:He's big. Yeah yeah yeah.

* '''Decepticon Headmasters''' (1987)
** [[Skullcruncher]] with [[Grax]]
** [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] with [[Vorath]]
** [[Weirdwolf]] with [[Monzo]]
:The three Decepticon Headmasters were sold boxed, and transform into mechanical creatures. Each has a beast-mode compartment that the Nebulan can ride in. Like their Autobot counterparts, their chests contain tumblers activated by plugging in a head-mode Nebulan, which reveal three Tech Spec graph readouts.

* '''Headmaster Horrorcons''' (1987)
** [[Apeface]] with [[Spasma]]
** [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] with [[Krunk]]
{{main|Horrorcon}}
:The Horrorcons change from jets to beasts to robots. The Nebulan partners become the head of both the robot and beast modes.

* '''Headmaster Decepticon Base''' (1987)
** [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] with [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]
:He's not small. No no no.

[[Image:Headmasterteens.jpg|right|200px|thumb|The Autobot Master Warriors]]
* '''Autobot Master Warrior''' (1987)
**[[Kirk]]
**[[Rodney]]
**[[Loafer]]
**[[Lione]]
**[[Toraizer]]
**[[Shuffler]]
:These exclusive [[Autobot Master Warrior]]s represent Japanese-style Headmasters who have yet to receive Transtectors, though they are compatible with any of the other 1987 Headmasters' toys. They are extremely rare.

[[Image:G1Nightbeat toy.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Nightbeat]]

* '''Autobot Headmasters''' (1988)
** [[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] with [[Lug]]
** [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] with [[Muzzle]]
** [[Siren]] with [[Quig]]
:The three 1988 Autobot Headmasters transform into Earthly land vehicles. Siren and Hosehead share a rescue vehicle theme, occasionally causing inattentive fans to mistake Nightbeat for a police car. The Nebulan companions are considerably smaller and simpler than those of the 1987 Headmasters, although they are backwards compatible with the previous year's figures. In fact, when plugged into 1987 Headmaster bodies, the 1988 Nebulan figures display the Tech Spec readouts for their 1988 robot counterparts, suggesting the simplification of the tumbler system on the Tech Spec readouts into a simple fixed display to have been a late design decision. Each comes with a "helmet" to complete the robot's head; the helmet doubles as a vehicle-mode "seat" for the figure to sit in. Two small pistols attach to the "helmet" in robot mode to complete the head.

[[Image:G1 frangry toy.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Fangry]]
* '''Decepticon Headmasters''' (1988)
** [[Fangry]] with [[Brisko]]
** [[Horri-Bull]] with [[Kreb]]
** [[Squeezeplay]] with [[Lokos]]
:The three small Decepticon Headmasters transform into fictional monsters. Like their Autobot counterparts, they feature smaller and simpler Nebulan figures than their 1987 predecessors, and are similarly backwards compatible with their larger forerunners, despite their smaller size. Unlike the Autobots, they do not sport additional "helmets" and pistol/antennae.

* '''Headmaster Juniors''' (1988)
** [[Cab]]
** [[Shūta Gō|Goshooter]]
** [[Minerva (Masterforce)|Minerva]]
** [[Bullhorn]]
** [[Cancer (Masterforce)|Cancer]]
** [[Wilder]]
:The 1988 Headmaster molds were released in Japan as the [[Headmaster Junior]]s, representing totally different characters though only Goshooter and Minerva were significantly [[Redeco|redecoed]] from the US versions.

[[Image:Blackzarak toy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Black Zarak - meaner, and ''uglier''.]]

* '''Headmaster Autobot Base''' (1988)
** [[Grand Maximus]] with Grand, Gran and [[Cog (Masterforce)|Cog/Onomisu/Koka]]
:A redeco of Fortress Maximus with an additional [[Pretender]] shell. This Japanese exclusive represented Fortress Maximus's younger brother in ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]''.

* '''Headmaster Decepticon Base''' (1988)
** BlackZarak with Black Roritchi
:A redeco and [[retool]] of the Scorponok mold, this was another Japanese exclusive representing the same character, but ''meaner''.

==Merchandise==
===Super-God Masterforce===
*'''Headmaster-Braces—Goshooter''' (1988)

:Japanese exclusive role-play toys that represent the [[Master-Brace]]s used by the [[Headmaster Junior]] [[Shūta Gō|Shūta]]. They are packaged with a role-play communications device.

==Fiction-only Headmasters==
*'''Autobots'''
** [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]/[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
** [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]/[[Galen]] {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}
** [[Playback]] {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
** [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]/[[Hunter O'Nion]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation issue 4}}
*'''Decepticons'''
** [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]/[[Abraham Dante]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation issue 6}}
*'''Others'''
** [[Thinkbox]] {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}}

==Homages==
* The [[Unicron Trilogy]] featured a few examples of smaller robots ([[Mini-Con]]s) becoming the heads of larger ones.
** ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] had two Mini-Con drivers, [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] and [[Crosswise (Armada)|Crosswise]], for his motorcycle form that could become individual heads, or combine together into a [[Mirror|larger robot/driver]].
** ''Armada'' [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]]'s Mini-Con partner [[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]] became the head (and part of the chest) of the larger robot, who could in turn become armor for [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]].
* ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] ''[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] also had a Headmaster partner, Omega, which combined with two vehicles to form a large robot.
* The ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' series features a supervillain named [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] who can use a flying robotic head that aggressively removes another robot's head and replaces it with itself. The head itself can also transform into a small robot mode.

==References==
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Len Kaminski

2013-09-06T00:40:13Z

Starfield: /* Writing credits */

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'''Len Kaminski''' (born [[October 20]], [[1962]]) is an American comic book writer. Kaminski joined [[Marvel Comics]] in March 1984, and spent the next eight years working his way up to the post of Managing Editor before pulling the plug on his career there to go freelance. A short time after that, he was writing ''[[Iron Man]]'' for Marvel when he and [[Kev Hopgood]] collaborated on the creation of [[War Machine]]. Marvel continued to take most of his time during the 90s, with writing work on the ''War Machine'' title as well as ''[[Ghost Rider]]''. Some of his other work included ''JLA'' and ''Fate'' for D.C. Comics, and ''Lady Death'' for Chaos.

==Writing credits==
*"[[Plight of the Bumblebee!]]"

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