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Talk:Windblade (Cyberverse)

2024-05-01T16:21:26Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain:

==Repurpsable legacy fig?==
Like it says Cyberverse universe but the design notes imply some G1 traits were used, so surely we could also put it there.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 01:59, 21 October 2023 (EDT)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:58, 21 October 2023 (EDT)

==Legacy Windblade Direction Confusion==
I'm adding a note about a couple of minor issues with the Legacy Windblade toy.
[[User:SteamPunk Astrotrain|SteamPunk Astrotrain]] ([[User talk:SteamPunk Astrotrain|talk]])

Talk:Minus One

2013-07-12T17:11:46Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain:

== Soundwave's voice ==
The credits went by really fast, was it [[Frank Welker|Welker]] or [[Isaac C. Singleton, Jr.|Singleton]] who voiced Soundwave? [[User:Shado prime|--Shado Prime]] 20:18, 5 July 2013 (EDT)
:Its Welker. Says so right in the credits. [[User:KodanDude|KodanDude]] 22:12, 5 July 2013 (EDT)

==Laserbeak & Soundwave==
I fixed an incorrect statement in the Trivia section, concerning Laserbeak.
When Soundwave took himself off-line, he did not erase his entire hard-drive
network;that would have left him the Cybertronian version of brain-dead.
Instead, all he did was erase what he knew of Megatron's plans to rebuild
the Omega Lock. So it's totally unnecessary to assume Laserbeak had
a back-up of Soundwave's entire mind, when all the Deployer needed to do
was simply reboot the Cybertronian version of Windows. RL, I'm a fully certified
computer repair technician, so I know what I'm talking about here.

[[User:SteamPunk Astrotrain|SteamPunk Astrotrain]] 13:11, 12 July 2013 (EDT)

Minus One

2013-07-12T17:03:11Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain: Fixed the laserbeak reference

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 62
|image=MinusOne-facereflection.jpg
|caption=It took a Decepticon to show him the truth: Ratchet DOES have crazy-looking eyes.
|prev=Evolution
|next=Persuasion
|title="Minus One"
|airdate=[[July 5]], [[2013]]
|written by=[[Michael Cassutt]]
|directed by=[[Vinton Heuck]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}

'''The Autobots question a captured enemy for information regarding Megatron's plans.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] explains to [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] that the combination of elements in the [[Cyber Matter]] that was accidentally created in his lab would allow them to [[Eco-structuring|cyberform]] entire planets. [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] mocks what sounds like another "Shockwave plan", until Shockwave grabs him with an angry reminder about how Starscream recently left him to the mercy of the [[Autobot]]s. Megatron does not object as Shockwave forces Starscream's face closer and closer to a jagged protrusion of Cyber Matter. Scrambling for a defense, Starscream notes that his actions made their current situation possible. Shockwave accepts the logic of this and lets Starscream go. Without missing a beat, Megatron asks Shockwave why the Cyber Matter appears so chaotic, and the scientist pledges to correct the instability of the elements. Megatron notes that they will require a launch mechanism from which to use the Cyber Matter, and declares that they will focus their resources on reconstructing the [[Omega Lock]].

[[File:MinusOne-UltraMagnus.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Oh no! My Me Time hand!]]

At the Autobot base, [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] finishes his repair of [[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]]' mangled right hand. Due to a lack of equipment and spare parts, the repair consists of an unsightly hook appendage that Ratchet says will be functional, but potentially unfit for battle. [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] tries to assure [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] that Ultra Magnus will overcome this setback. [[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] bets that the hook will become Magnus' signature, making a comparison to [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]]'s [[voice box]] that the scout doesn't appreciate. Bumblebee buzzes angrily and storms off. [[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] explains to [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] and [[Jack Darby|Jack]] that Bumblebee still misses the sound of his old voice. [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] tries to lighten the mood by focusing on the defeat of the [[Predacon (Prime)|Predacon]] cloning project, but [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] reminds them all of [[Predaking (Prime)|the Predacon who recently revealed his abilities in transformation]].

Aboard the ''[[Trypticon (WFC)|Nemesis]]'', Megatron tells Predaking that they will soon punish the Autobots for destroying his brethren. Predaking vows that revenge will come, but that Project Predacon was only ever a starting point. He says that if Megatron truly wishes to restore [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], this should include resurrecting the entire Predacon race from the remains that lie there, so that Predaking can lead them against their shared enemies. Megatron regards this request with skepticism.

Shockwave reports that they've salvaged the wreckage of the Omega Lock, but that the damage was severe, and Earth technology will be needed to retrofit its systems. Megatron orders Starscream to acquire whatever materials Shockwave requires.

The next day, [[William Fowler|Fowler]] reports that [[Decepticon]]s stole twenty tons of control rods from a nuclear plant during the night. Optimus wonders gravely what they're attempting to build.

Shockwave reports to Megatron that the [[Synthetic Energon|synthetic energon]] formula provided by [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] is incomplete, resulting in the instability of the Cyber Matter. Megatron tells him to complete it quickly, citing the need for enough Cyber Matter to restore Cybertron and cyberform [[Earth]]. Shockwave respectfully asks what the logic is in ruling two planets, to which Megatron replies that the two are linked, one [[Unicron]] and the other [[Primus]], and to rule only one would be ruling neither.

Fowler reports another Decepticon theft in progress. Ratchet opens a [[GroundBridge]], but stops Ultra Magnus when he tries to go through, citing the need for further rehabilitation. Optimus says that Ratchet has the final word in medical matters, to which Ultra Magnus reluctantly agrees. Wheeljack watches the exchange with discomfort.

[[File:MinusOne-staredown.jpg|right|thumb|300px|So, you Autobots about ready to give up yet?]]

The Autobots arrive on the scene and immediately advance on squad of [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s, who are carrying away their spoils. [[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] emerges from the sky in alt-form, opening a GroundBridge directly in front of the retreating Vehicons. [[Laserbeak (WFC)|Laserbeak]] is deployed, and Optimus transforms and takes to the air with his jet pack to engage them both. The Vehicons escape through the bridge, but Optimus' gatling gun is able to bring Soundwave crashing to the ground. Laserbeak escapes, and Optimus contacts Ratchet to let him know they will be returning with a prisoner.

At the Autobot base, Soundwave finds himself secured to a table. Ratchet notes that the base's shielding will prevent the Decepticon from contacting his ship. Wheeljack gleefully says that they have all the time in the world to make Soundwave talk, and Miko wonders if he even does talk.

On the ''Nemesis'', Starscream asks Megatron if he's worried about what the captive Soundwave might say. Megatron states his confidence in Soundwave's ability to withhold information.

[[File:Soundwave Mocks.jpg|thumb|left|I punch those numbers into my calculator and it makes a happy face.|250px]]
Optimus asks Soundwave why the Decepticons have been stealing human technology. Soundwave mockingly plays back a remix of the question set to music, and punctuates it with a smiley face emoticon on his visor. Optimus threatens a less civil method of interrogation, and Soundwave broadcasts a sonic pulse throughout the room that causes humans and Autobots alike to double over in pain. Ratchet angrily suggests opening Soundwave up to get the information they need, but the Decepticon responds by erasing data directly from his own drives. With a final taunt spoken in his own voice, he says, "Soundwave superior, Autobots inferior." His visor blinks out and he slumps down on the table, off-line. An astonished Ratchet reports that the Decepticon's vital signs are stable, but that he crashed his own drives rather than allow them to be read.

Shockwave locates the only item on Earth with enough raw tonnage to power the rebuilt Omega Lock; a particle collider synchrotron. However, his efforts to complete the synthetic energon formula have met with less success. Megatron recalls that Knock Out obtained the formula from Ratchet, and muses that the simplest solution is to recruit him. Shockwave says that Laserbeak can upload the order to Soundwave after reconnecting with him, but Starscream notes that they don't know the location of the Autobot base. Shockwave recalls that Soundwave kept surveillance records on all the Autobots' human allies, not just the children.

From his car phone, Fowler tells Optimus that he's on his way to a meeting with [[Bryce|General Bryce]] about the recent Decepticon heists, and that he'll be back to the base as soon as possible. Behind the car, Laserbeak follows from the sky.

Megatron orders Predaking to be present at the Decepticons' next objective, as they expect the Autobots will interfere. Predaking says that he looks forward to facing the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] again. This cavalier attitude enrages Megatron, who screams at the Predacon about their dwindling forces. Predaking merely states that he will have to fight twice as hard.

On his way back to the base, Fowler contacts the Autobots and reports that the Decepticons are attacking the Solaris particle collider project at the South Pole. Optimus readies the Autobots for action. Ratchet attempts to hold Ultra Magnus back again, but Wheeljack declares that the commander is ready. Wearily, Ratchet relents and opens a GroundBridge. Optimus commands Bulkhead and Smokescreen to stay behind and help Ratchet guard Soundwave, then he and the others depart. While the younger Bots comment on the prone Decepticon, Ratchet wonders what Megatron wants with a device powerful enough to open a [[black hole]].

Outside, Fowler parks in front of the base, still followed by Laserbeak.

It dawns on Ratchet that enough power to swallow a world could also be enough power to create one. He contacts Optimus at the South Pole and relays his suspicion that Megatron plans to rebuild the Omega Lock. He wonders if they should let him, but Optimus knows Megatron will use the Lock to cyberform Earth as well as Cybertron. Disappointed, Ratchet says he understands.

Just then, Predaking strikes from the sky, firing blasts of flame breath that send the Autobots scattering. Optimus returns fire and orders the Autobots to stop the Decepticons from obtaining the collider while he faces the Predacon alone. As the Autobots race to the Solaris building, Optimus draws his gatling gun and engages in an aerial duel with the Predacon. Optimus pours on the firepower, but is unable to keep the beast at bay. With a final, savage swipe of his tail, Predaking sends Optimus crashing down to the ground far below.

Inside the building, the other Autobots find a squad of Vehicons lying in wait for them. As the two groups exchange fire, Shockwave oversees the retrieval of the particle collider in the next room.

At the Autobot base, Smokescreen is trying to convince Ratchet that they'll restore Cybertron somehow when Fowler walks in. He is followed a moment later by Laserbeak crashing through the window. The [[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]]'s lasers keep the Autobots at bay long enough for him to sever Soundwave's bonds. Smokescreen returns fire, hitting Laserbeak's wing, but is unable to prevent the bird from reuniting with his master. Soundwave springs back to life and effortlessly dispatches Smokescreen, Bulkhead, and Fowler with his tentacles before advancing on Ratchet.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]] (4)
*[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] (5)
*[[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] (6)
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] (7)
*[[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] (8)
*[[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] (9)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (10)
*[[Ultra Magnus (WFC)|Ultra Magnus]] (11)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] (1)
*[[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]] (2)
*[[Shockwave (WFC)|Shockwave]] (3)
*[[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]] (15)
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s (17)
*[[Soundwave (WFC)|Soundwave]] (18)
*[[Laserbeak (WFC)|Laserbeak]] (19)

|c3=
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (12)
*[[Jack Darby]] (13)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (14)
*[[William Fowler]] (16)
}}

==Quotes==
"Master! Are you going to allow one lieutenant to harm another? Master?!" 
"I'm thinking."
:—'''Starscream''' discovers that '''Megatron''' has been reading The Hands-Off Manager.

"I am tempted to force you to share my perception of things."
:—'''Shockwave''' really hates or really loves having one eye, as he tells Starscream.

"Exemplary teamwork."
:—'''Megatron''', after Starscream convinces Shockwave not to share his perspective.

"It has taken me quite some time to fully comprehend that Earth and Cybertron have always been linked. Two halves of one whole; Primus and Unicron. And that to rule only one, would be to never truly rule either."
:—'''Megatron''' on the significance of Earth.

"Whoa. Optimus Prime, the remix."
:—'''Miko''' comments on Soundwave's DJ skills.

"Soundwave superior, Autobots inferior."
:—'''Soundwave''' paraphrases a little-known line from [[The Transformers: The Movie|an obscure movie]].

"Can't we throw a tarp over him? He's creeping me out." 
"Yeah, it's like he's watching. No matter where you go."
:—'''Bulkhead''' and '''Smokescreen''' are intimidated even by a deactivated Soundwave.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*After the Vehicons get away during the Autobots first call out, the other Autobots sit motionless in vehicle mode while Optimus engages Soundwave and Laserbeak, only transforming after Soundwave is shot down. What are they doing?
*[[Captain Fanzone's car|Fowler must have a bunch of the same car.]] It was wrecked back in "[[Nemesis Prime (episode)|Nemesis Prime]]", but the one he's seen driving sports the same [[license plate]].
*Smokescreen damages Laserbeak's wing, but the damage disappears once Laserbeak reattaches to Soundwave.

===Continuity notes===
* The [[Omega Lock]] was destroyed by Optimus the last time Megatron tried using it to cyberform Earth, in "[[Darkest Hour (episode)|Darkest Hour]]".
* Ratchet managed to give Ultra Magnus a replacement hand (well, claw), which was mangled by [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]] in the [[Evolution|previous episode]].
* The story of how Bumblebee lost his vocoder was established in "[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 1]]" and the novel ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]''.
* Megatron recalls how the formula for synthetic energon was collected from Ratchet in "[[Stronger, Faster]]".
* Unicron was discovered to be buried within the Earth in "[[One Shall Rise, Part 1]]".
* The Decepticons tried to extract the location of the Autobot base from Fowler in "[[Darkness Rising, Part 3]]".
* Ultra Magnus still wears the back hook for the [[Forge of Solus Prime]] as Optimus used for the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]], the latter having been made by Ratchet in "[[Alpha/Omega]]".
* Optimus has learned his lesson about letting Laserbeak sneak up behind him as he did in "[[Project Predacon]]".

===Transformers references===
* Soundwave paraphrases one of his most famous lines, directly from the [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 movie]]. His voice is also done in the same Dr. Claw-esque tone that he provided for his [[Soundwave (ROTF)|live-action counterpart]] in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|second]] and [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|third]] films.
* Megatron orders Predaking to fight as a beast when he engages the Autobots. The inhabitants of [[Animatron|Jungle Planet]] in [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers: Cybertron]] always fought more effectively in their beast modes.

===Trivia===
* Soundwave speaks in his own voice for the first time in the series. And, to the surprise of few, it's a paraphrased quote that originated from the [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 movie]]. His voice is the same as his [[Soundwave (G1)|G1 counterpart]] (again provided by [[Frank Welker]]), only with his voice distortion slightly less enhanced. The Soundwave from ''Transformers Animated'' states the same line only backwards, "Autobots inferior, Soundwave superior," in the episode "[[Human Error, Part I]]".
*Ultra Magnus appears unable to use the blaster in his right arm with his hand destroyed.
*Laserbeak can reboot Soundwave's operating system.
*Fowler wields a fire extinguisher against Soundwave, previously Jack's weapon of choice in both "[[Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap]]" and "[[Convoy (episode)|Convoy]]".
*The particle collider base has halls high enough to [[Petra (Earth)|accommodate transformers]].
*Transformers review mirrors in their vehicle modes function as [[Sensors|optical sensors]].
[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Talk:Smolder (PCC)

2011-07-29T20:23:19Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain:

Is it just me, or out of the many, many Transformers firetrucks is this the only one that's a Decepticon? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 15:56, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
:Pretty much. I assume Hasbro made a conscious effort to avoid having any Decepticon rescue vehicles until the movie used Barricade. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 16:09, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
::[[Suppressor (Universe)|Suppressor]] is a haz-mat redeco of a firetruck. So close. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:49, 27 March 2010 (EDT)
:[[Discharge|Reverse Evolution Discharge]] is a Decepticon firetruck, but I'd be hesitant to count her since she's just regular Discharge turned temporarily evil. Like putting Dark Designs Rhinox on a list of Predacons. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 16:04, 17 July 2010 (EDT)
I like his "Combined Mode" head alot better than his normal one.[[User:TOM|TOM]] 15:11, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

: To whoever put in the captions WIN![[User:Dead Metal|Dead Metal]] 13:45, 3 August 2010 (EDT)

== I can just imagine him flailing comically on the ground... ==

Am I the only one who finds the pic of Smolder's toy in his "combiner mode" to be comically stupid-looking? It kinda takes away from the coolness factor when he doesn't have any limbs... Remind me of this really lame creepy-past I read once that told me the ghost of a girl with no arms or legs would come at midnight to kill me or something like that...
My point is, I understand WHY that pic is included... The way power-core combiners were designed there is no "one true" combined form for these guys. But may I suggest that instead of having pics of quadraplegic robot toys, we leave just have a seperate pic of the combined form with four random limbs, and a note that explains that this is just one of the many possible combinations possible with this toy? It would better showcase the toy's play-functions in my opinion, not to mention give a better impression of how AWESOME the toy is supposed to look in that mode. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 02:40, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
:Agreed, especially since he isn't correctly transformed in the picture (his leg pegs are pointing forward instead of down for connection).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:11, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
::That's the only way I can get him to stand up in that mode - but feel free to revert to the previous pic, or edit the combined mode out of that one. I don't have any of the drone sets, so someone else will have to take it.--[[User:Kookaburra|Kookaburra]] 17:02, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

== Movie Continuity?==

With his appearance in Cyber Missions shouldn't he be listed as being in the live action film continuity family? --[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 11:35, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:He is in the "Cyber Missions characters" category, which itself is a sub-category of "live-action film series characters", so I think that has it covered. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:06, 16 December 2010 (EST)
::I think he means in the continuity note. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 23:41, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:::I'm inclined to say that if Smolder had shown up in the background of Spotlight: Drift, PCCs would have been dumped into the G1iverse basically immediately, but that's neither here nor there. But now with Hasbro's official Q&A word being that PCC don't belong to any continuity, I think the time for that note has passed.
:::PS Also let's pretend Salvage isn't Salvage while we're at it, Hasbro. -[[User:LV|LV]] 23:49, 16 December 2010 (EST)

I'm just going to add a quick note to the bottom of the page, regarding Smolder's appearance in the Cyber Mission, because there is a logical counter-argument that does explain why he was in the one Cyber Mission, even though he's not in the movie continuity.
[[User:SteamPunk Astrotrain|SteamPunk Astrotrain]] 16:23, 29 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Kup (G1)

2011-07-26T03:43:52Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain:

Does anyone else want to help work on this to make him the Featured Article for June? BotCon ends right as June begins, and Kup is the star of the set, so I thought it might be appropriate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:57, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:Logical choice. Just looks like he needs his Dreamwave and... er, dang near ''all'' of his cartoon section done. I'm in a G1-cartoon sorta place right now, so I'll take a whack at that part, and the associated Japanese gumpf. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:19, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::Shouldn't be too hard to get his IDW section up to date, either. I've got those issues sitting around. ...hey, does he HAVE merchandise? He's got a section for it and a stub template... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:21, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:::...maybe a PVC? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:22, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::::Nope. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 13:42, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
:::::No PVC in the HOC-era. No Kabaya kits, no MC Axis, no bottlecap statuettes I think, no MyClones (even wreck-gar got one of those!) no stamping sets... I think Kup might actually have ''no'' merchandise. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:43, 4 May 2009 (EDT)
::::::I am completely apalled. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 14:48, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

Hey, anyone know if Kup's TF Collection "Future Cybertron" bio got translated? Just wondering if it contains any information on how he got bonded to Recoil (operating, that is, on the assumption that in J-continuity, Recoil is a robot from Master). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:05, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

I say, this is all looking rather spiffy. I've scanned his TFC bio and sent it to Spengs, so if there's anything there, I'll throw that in and we'll be golden. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 16:48, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

==Targetmaster==
I just bought Kup with Recoil and he has die-cast metal parts just like the original figure. Are we sure there wasn't a run of TM Kup figures where the die-cast was retained? Feel free to blast me if this is a stupid question.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 21:55, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
: The TM Kup "Transformers Collection" reissue with Wheelie had die-cast. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:57, 18 July 2009 (EDT)
::My figure's copyright markings say 1986.[[User:Thirtysilver|Thirtysilver]] 05:50, 20 July 2009 (EDT)

== Up drawing thing ==

Fan club magazine is ''not'' part of [[Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]. Maybe the heading title should be change for that section or have a note added. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 04:34, 5 June 2010 (EDT)

==Wings of honor==

Isn't Wing of honor supposed to go in with the cartoon continuity, so could we move that section up there? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 06:12, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
:No, it's very similar to the cartoon continuity but there have been intentional deviations. The same can be said of things like Dreamwave and Blackthorn, so we should keep Wings where it is. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 08:21, 30 October 2010 (EDT)
::Well in that case can we move that section away from the cartoon continuity on some other characters pages? --[[User:Ninjabot33|Ninjabot33]] 09:09, 31 October 2010 (EDT)

== Generations Kup instructions head ==

Does anybody know who the planned retool of Kup is or why the head discrepancy isn't noted in the main article? [[Special:Contributions/134.71.80.204|134.71.80.204]] 18:28, 17 February 2011 (EST) (ZeldaTheSwordsman. P.S., I'm very, very, very sorry)

A '''possible''' retool could be Orion Pax, but as of today, Febuary 24 2011, we don't know who or what '''could''' be re-tooled,(Deceptiscourge45).

== Experience Lad... ==

Anyone mind if the quote at the top is extended to include 'Experience lad, you should learn to appreciate it' as I feel this encapsulates kup a bit more? [[User:Durge|Durge]] 20:43, 27 April 2011 (EDT)

== Targetmaster ==

I too have the Targetmaster version of this toy (and have had it since I was a kid, and have the instructions and part of the original box to prove it) and it indeed does have die cast metal. (Just the front windshield part of the truck. The wheels are plastic.) The date stamped onto the figure is 1986, though the date is stamped onto the part of the toy that has the hole for Recoil in truck mode. Were there two releases of the Targetmaster, one with die cast and one without?

== Generations Mold Glitch ==
I think info on the Generations Kup mold should include a note that the torso auto-transformation gimmick either isn't supposed to work, when transforming him back into a truck, or else something inside him gets out of alignment after the first couple of times transforming him, with the same result. I posted a thread on the Allspark about it, so I have confirmation that this is possibly a design flaw, because the E-Hobby version has the same glitch.
[[User:SteamPunk Astrotrain|SteamPunk Astrotrain]] 23:43, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Megatron (Movie)

2011-07-17T02:43:15Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain:

== Human Name jokes ==

We might as well make the article play on his human-given names.
:: I was considering a 'Super Fighting Robot Mega-Man' joke, but I don't know how many people would think that's funny. [[User:VeePickle|VeePickle]] 12:23, 27 March 2010 (EDT)

== Megatron's Cybertronian form ==

Has anyone else noticed that Megatron's vehicle form bares more than a passing resemblance to the ''Swordfish'', the personal ship flown by Spike Spiegel in ''Cowboy BeBop''? [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 02:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Not really, no. --[[User:EricMarrs|EricMarrs]] 12:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

:::The only difference is it's A. silver, and B. has three guns instead of one.

:I agree, it looks very similar. The wings in particular. I mean, it doesn't exactly look like THE Swordfish, but it looks like a 'mono-racer' from Bebop at least.

::::It looks more like the Zone of the Enders version of the Vic Viper than the Swordfish, at least to me it does.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:I actually found it looked like [[Megatron (RID)|the other megatrons`]] jet mode.--[[User:Autobotx1010|Autobotx1010]] 01:12, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
I think I see it. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:18, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

== Earth Mode ==

According to Wikipedia and IGN, Megatron turns into a stealth bomber. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 22:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
: Until either one is verified by anything official, we're not including that "info". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
::Reading the IGN article, they said they got this from playing an early version of the Movie's game. [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 01:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Still makes it somewhere between unconfirmed second-hand report and leaked info. With this sort of thing patience is best. IF it is true we'll all no for sure soon enough and it can go up then.n--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 02:51, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Seibertron reported recently that some of the production staff hinted at Megatron not getting an Earth form after all, at least in this movie. I'd say wait until the movie comes out, because even if they make a toy it's still not confirmed. [[User:King Starscream]] 13:28, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::From the book media I've perused, Megatron stays silvery and alieny the entire course of it all. There's other things I saw, but I shan't go into them since all these books come out tomorrow and you can spoil yourself then. [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::Which book? Sounds interesting. [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 03:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::All the kids books that come out tomorrow. The I can read, storybook, junior novels, etc. Heck, a few of the books have Megatron and Brawl standing side by side. He ain't Brawl. All these books come out tomorrow, and will be on display in your local book stores. (Seriously, this is screwed up. I can't seem to edit pages when I'm logged in.) [[User:Terrocon Blot]]
::::::::Looking at game footage, either the Stealth-Bomber Megs was an early idea that was discarded, or he gets an Earth mode later in the game. -- [[User:Hunter-113|Hunter-113]] 19:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

==Sibling status==
I strongly question the inclusion of he and Optimus being brothers in the main bio, unless that is backed up by the movie itself, or some future toy bio, or other source stronger than books based on earlier drafts of the script. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:23, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: If the movie does not contradict it, surely it is still true. :)
: FOr what it's worth- the prequel comics had this vibe goigng too, the ADF novelization mentions brushes by it,t he junior novelization says it explicitly... and I think there's at least 1 more source. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:30, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
: The DS game says so. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:34, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::As does the console version. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:47, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, yeah. The game counts a stonger source. Although if it's not mentioned in the movie itself, I think it's going to require a footnote notation citing the places it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 02:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::The Decepticon DS version also says it flat out.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 07:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::What we have now is correct, and there is no need to change anything. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:48, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::For the record to future peoples, Optimus does call Megatron his bro in the movie.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 03:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
:ROTF seems to ditch the sibling idea; the plot '''hinges''' on 'the Fallen lied to you, you need to be descended from a Prime to be a Prime!', which... er... they ''can't'' be related.
:I don't dispute that these two ''are'' siblings in some continuities... but can we ''not'' make it the '''first sentence''' of his bio? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:07, 14 August 2009 (EDT)
: Could it be that, in some strange crazy way, Megatron/Optimus was adopted? This would still make them brothers in a sense.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:13, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

==*More* Misassemblies==

Yeah. I just got Super Megs and, uh, his hands are flipped. Or rather, I guess it's his thumbs and pinkies. Look at the box and compare. This should probably be noted... [[User:71.61.152.122|71.61.152.122]] 07:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Geeeeez, you're right. Is there anything assembled ''right'' on this guy?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:20, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm comparing photos at Seibertron.com, and um...I'm not seeing it.
:::It's most noticable in the picture of his macehand, but you can see it in the big one too. Don't look at 'pics' of the box, look at it with your own two eyes. >.> [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 09:49, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== Galvatron ==

I strongly belive that the allspark will resurect megatron in a future sequel and possibly reformat him into galvatron. It'll probebly bring him back to life at least
:I don't deny that I think the AllSpark will play a part in Megs's revival, but I highly doubt (and strongly hope) that he won't become Galvatron.

== Marinas Trench ==

I realize Keller said the Decepticons were dropped into the deepest section of ocean in the world, but he calls it specifically something other than the Marinas Trench. To that end, using "Marinas Trench" doesn't seem exactly right to me. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to quite decipher what he DID call it. Was anybody else? And what does other media say about the location? --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 15:19, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I concur that the trench name from the film should be used here instead of the Marianas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:48, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
:Keller says "Laurentian Trench," which is a real ocean feature but by no means its deepest. He also says it's the deepest spot on the ocean at over 7 miles deep, which is correct for the Marianas. So, a fact-finding flub. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 18:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::How dare the Secretary of Defense not be completely up to speed on the name of the deepest part of the ocean. (seriously, it's entirely possible that Keller had no idea what hte fuck he was talking about.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 18:27, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Either that, or Michael bay didn't do his homework.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:13, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Or Maybe in their Dimension, it IS the deepest? [[User:Shadow Mask Prime|Shadow Mask Prime]] 11:59, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

=="The Head Wars"==

the one present right now is a little blurry, wouldn't that one be better? [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg]--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:39, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: No, because that one doesn't have the right head. We replaced the one you suggested with the current version. (Blurry? It's a sized-down version of a gigantic-ass render straight from Dreamworks.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:59, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
::Um, yes it does. The Current one has the wrong head. Screencap comparison coming momentarily. Please stand by. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 19:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:::There is no more-current render to move to. There is a much older, outdated one that ''somebody'' keeps reverting to, but the one we currently use is practically the one used in the movie, if not the very same. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Not the same. The top of the head in the final version is different. [[:Image:MegHeads.jpg|Here. ''Now'' tell me I'm wrong.]][[User:Inferno'sQueen|Inferno'sQueen]] 20:15, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

:The head we currently have is way way way way way way closer than the alternative. Find us a full-body render that's a better alternative, and we'll switch them out, but there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
::[http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg GUIGUI's] ''is'' the accurate head. It's just got blue eyes. But considering the eyes of some movie images on the wiki aren't even glowing ''at all'' I don't think that should be an issue.
:::Don't answer me with another block. ''Please.'' I'm just trying to help the wiki. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 16:31, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:::That is so totally not the final Megatron. This render showed up months before the one we're currently using, and they hadn't even finished texturing the model. Please drop the issue. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:11, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Okay, now I'm confused. Is the body wrong on [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg that one] or something? [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 17:22, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think it's just shaded wrong(no shadows), and his torso is not completely "filled" with metal.-the preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]]
::That doesn't seem like a good excuse. And please sign your posts. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|Mr. Q]] 15:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I looked at the image again, and it does look a bit odd. But not very much. I suggest a poll/survey of the admins to decide who thinks it should be Meg's main pic, as the torso bit is the only problem. It won't be visible in thumbnail format anyhow. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::The Megatron model has two heads, a standard head and the battle head. The final promotional render with all the completed surface detail, which we are using, uses the standard head. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:27, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Admins, please put "Yes" after your name if you think the current image should be changed to [http://www.slashfilm.com/wp/wp-content/images/tfbay5.jpg this one], or "No" if you think it should stay as-is.[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The current poll:

[[User:ItsWalky]]: He hasn't officially voted yet, but it seems as though his answer will be '''"No."'''

[[User:Steve-o]]:Insert vote here

[[User:Suki Brits]]:I think she says '''"No,"''' too.

[[User:Chris McFeely]]:Insert vote here

:If I missed an admin, please notify them and add them here. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 19:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::you know, the admins aren't the only ones who have a say in this. And given that the model in the current image is almost if not completely identical to the one used in the movie it should be left as is. IMO, your argument is kinda like saying we need a new main image for [[Optimus Primal]] because it has a mouth doesn't have a full faceplate like the final model, even though the final model had both "mouth" and "faceplate" versions. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, we can't poll ''everyone''. I'm relatively new, lucky enough to have found the admins listed somewhere. I wouldn't know who else to ask. And That Primal thing does not make sense. I ''know'' he had a mouth ''and'' a [[mouthplate]]. I'm saying the current image has the '''''wrong head''''', and it should be fixed. [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:00, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::::This is bordering on farce.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:07, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed. If Inferno's Queen does not immediately drop the matter, I will get rid of her for refusing to stop wasting all of our time and polluting the Recent changes page with this retarded personal gripe. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::<big>'''I'''</big>

:::::<big>'''AM'''</big>

:::::<big>'''A'''</big>

:::::<big>'''GUY!'''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

:Inferno's Queen, it's like I said on the image's talk page: we don't have a full body shot of Megatron's final design, so we're going with the most accurate one. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

After the poll is completed, this will end. Deal?[[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 20:25, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
:...you don't get to dictate policy to admins.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:53, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
::That's not quite true. If she keeps this up, she'll likely dictate a permaban on herself :p --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine already! I'll leave the issue alone if you stop calling me a girl!
:::<big>'''''I AM A GUY!!!'''''</big> [[User:Inferno'sQueen|The Big Q]] 12:10, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Seriously, dude, is this all you've got to offer?! This is such an incredibly minor issue that it's nowhere worth the amount of discussion that has already gone on about it. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 23:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

This is mind-blowingly petty. I don't feel the need to express any opinion on the matter, it's pretty damn clear what the consensus is. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:09, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== video game info ==

should we edit it to have more info on megatron in the game?
:...Deathy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:49, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

==Weapon names==
The article currently contains the current text in its movie summary: "Megatron declared that if Prime wished to defend them, he should die with them, forming his fusion cannon. Before he could fire, the Autobot leader drew his ion blaster and fired, hitting Megatron." Do we have any reason/justification for referring to those weapons so specifically as a fusion cannon and ion blaster? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 00:53, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:In the trivia section of [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Prime]]'s article, it's called an ion blaster. As for the fusion cannon...-- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 01:15, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
::Doesn't Leader Megatron's toy packaging say "Arms combine to form fusion cannon!" or something along those lines? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:26, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Answering my own question by looking up DVD's review, yes it does. And the product listing at Hasbro.com says: "Robot mode also features a launching rocket claw that becomes a chain whip, and arms that combine to create a fusion cannon!" --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 01:29, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

==Language==
According to the Circuit City voice featurette, the producers made up an alien language (or Hugo Weaving did, the wording is vague), and Weaving is shown speaking in it as Megatron. Did this make it into the final film? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 14:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:There *is* a Cybertronian language spoken by several characters (Frenzy most notably, I guess, plus Starscream, and actually 'every' Decepticon during the call-up scene) but nobody really knows if it's just jibberish with a flanger on or something. That, and Megs 'never' speaks Cybertronian in the movie, so this makes it even stranger. The idea behind the Cybertronians speaking a different language isn't Weaving's, however, because that was in the leaked script that came out long before Weaving was cast. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 23:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::Actually Megatron did speak Cybertronian in the movie (it was during when he first landed in Mission City).

==Encased in ice at the bottom of the ocean?==
Uh, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no ice at the bottom of the ocean. Ice is less dense than water so any particles cold enough to freeze float above those who aren't cold enough. (Contrary to normal laws of convection; ice is weird like that) so Megatron and the Decepticons wouldn't be icy at all. Just really cold and crushed under immense water pressure.

: Indeed, because water increases in volume when it freezes,t the freezing point of water ''decreases'' with pressure, i.e. it becomes harder to freeze water which is under pressure. This is the reason why liquid oceans are believed to exist under Europa's icy coating, for example. [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 07:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

==Megu said ''what''?==
When Megu arrives in Mission City, he says two sentences. Just when he lands, he says something that I heard as "Let me play!" But what did he say after that? Because, the article says that Megu again declared his name when arriving in M City, but he didn't sound like that. Will someone clarify what exactly he said? StarShade 09:39, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:He was speaking Cybertronian, no-one knows exactly what he says. Although he does appear to pronounce his name one more time.

==Premium==
Does anyone know if the premium series leader Megatron has corrected the assembly errors?--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 19:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

==Screen Grabs==
Well since the trailer has been offically released, and Megatron has a few good clear shots in it, can we post a pic or two under ROTF? Mainly the one where he apparently comes out of the water, which appears to be the best looking shot. Just a sugestion.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 17:47, 2 May 2009 (EDT)

==Triple Changer in ROTF?==
Now, I'm terribly sorry I don't have more info than this, but I was at the mall w/ my GF and picked up a guide to ROTF. Most of the info seemed pretty modern and accurate (things like Jetfire being a seeker and such) and they said that upon his revival, Megatron had become a triple-changer, able to take both modes. I don't know the name of it although... nope, can't find it on Amazon. Can someone else comment on this matter? Has anything been shown to support this or has anyone else seen this guide? The store owner said it was just put out that day, so this may be new. IDK. --[[User:Rideonshootingstarxx|Rideonshootingstarxx]] 20:57, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
:This is correct. In the adaptation he assumes both alt-forms.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:18, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::In the adaptations he never really "becomes" a triple-changer. At least they don't mention that he ever gains the ability. He just shown to be able to transform into three modes. I'm not sure if we are supposed to believe he always had the ability but didn't have an occasion to turn into a tank before or what. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Having bought the book now, I can confirm that it says Megatron's status as a triple-changer is the result of his revival, and that it is fairly rare amongst Cybertronians.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:19, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Slight problem. In the novels and what not, he is distinctly described as retaining his jet mode. In the actual film, all scenes where he uses the jet, well, lack it [[User:Eire]]
::::Not really a problem. Adaptations have been mismatched before, and as long as ''one'' source calls him a a triple-changer, in those exact words, it's valid. We don't really need to reconcile the adaptations. That's not our job.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:39, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::From what I remember in the movie you never get a clear look at his flight mode, just the blue glow of his afterburners in the distance. He definitely has a tank mode, but I couldn't tell whether his flight mode is just the tank with the jet engines turned on or a separate vehicle mode, or the tank with wings... Heck it could be a giant flying lunchbox for all I could see. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 17:03, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::His flight mode is a flat square-ish thing - basically, the Voyager toy, but steel instead of green.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 18:04, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

== G1 homage, anyone? ==
His head has a helmet-like portion very similar to the helmet-like section of G1 Megatron's head. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:15, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
:Not really.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:17, 14 June 2009 (EDT)
::Well, yeah. He does really.
: : You're thinking of G1 GALVATRON, not Megatron. Galvatron has horns. Megatron has a helmet.
::::Either way, whooptidoo. "Megatron looks like Megatron." Not impressed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 19:59, 29 September 2010 (EDT)

== Robot Mode flight ==

Is that a new ability? I don't seem to recall him being able to just fly around in the first movie, but it has been a while since I've seen it. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

: Do you mean when he lands on the skyscraper, or was there another instance? I figured that he was just continuing on the momentum when he popped out of flying tank mode. How do his jet engines configure in robot mode, maybe they helped? [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 17:23, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
::I was going by memory of the movie. Of course Megatron and the other Decepticons swam up from the abyss. That is multi-ton metal robots swimming to the surface. That is almost flying. Then when they got to open air, I seem to remember them just flying away in robot-mode, but I can't say for certain without seeing it again. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:47, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That's right, I'd forgotten about that. We should check whether his boosters were in some sort of "jetpack configuration" for that shot (like Starscream's thrusters), that would square it up. [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 19:49, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::He uses his jet-tank mode to fly in both instances (seemingly transforming just as he breaks the surface when underwater). I checked.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:58, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==Toy split==
I think it's well past time we split the toys into their own subpage... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:28, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
* Seconded. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 15:12, 12 August 2009 (EDT)
**I agree. --[[Special:Contributions/99.232.46.76|99.232.46.76]] 15:59, 23 September 2009 (EDT)

==Reviewing the toys on the wiki==
As long as users such as Walky are (rightly) removing the reviewish comments from the toy descriptions, is there any way one of us can rewrite Movie 1 Legends Megatron's description? The whole thing is taking shots at the toy. If it's inappropriate for the larger Megatrons in the line, then it's inappropriate for this one as well. [[User:Fiction Alchemist|C. V. Reynolds]] 17:56, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

==ROTF Megatron prototype on the back of the box==
:"In a rather bizarre twist, the back of megatron's box depicts him with no feet, the foot part of the threads simply did not exist in the test shot prototype. It also appears the threads were originally longer. The button to hold the blade back did not exist either. The prototype even had a production error: the small wheels molded on the back threads are molded on the wrong side, thus they end up on the top of the threads instead of the bottom." I've originaly posted this with they toy after looking at the box for some time. The toy realy did not have feet like the final toy, the threads were also alot shorter then the final toy. I know that the discription i gave it is not done all that well, but i still stand that it's worth to note.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:00, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

:Anyone? Am i realy the only one who thinks the legs almost have totaly difrently molded legs?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 15:01, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

== Triple change: misinformation or abandoned concept? ==

The article states that ''[[Revenge of the Fallen: The Movie Universe]]'' and the [[Revenge of the Fallen (comic series)|comic adaptation]] created the idea of Megatron being a triple changer. However, the [[Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|novelization]] mentions that he's a fighter jet several times, and that he takes his tank mode during the battle in Egypt. Additionally, the previsual shots shown on the special two-disc pack show Megatron chasing down Optimus Prime while in jet mode. Is it possible that Megatron really was meant to be a triple changer, and it was simply dropped from the final cut? We an cite plenty of stuff like that happening in the adaptations. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 20:57, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
:Didn't someone (Orci?) claim that they wanted to save triple changers for movie 3, and there was thus never going to be triple-changing within the movie itself? - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 21:37, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

== Beast wars homage? ==

The rotf voyager toy, kinda looks like beast wars megatron. (Big two finger "claw on the right side, wings and dinosaurish legs)

stills of megatron in transformers dark of the moon

== stills of dotm megatron ==

does anyone have any stills of megatron from dotm

== Meg's Death ==

Optimus didn't rip off Megatron's head at the end of DOTM. He buried his axe in Megatron's chest, tore it out, slammed it into his head, ''then'' tore it off, and dropped the axe. Just thought I'd help clear that up. [[User:Stormfin|Stormfin]] 04:02, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== megg's death2 ==

he died by getting an axe in the head and was thrown in the air by it

== Smackdown by Sentinel Prime ==
I'm in the middle of reading the novelization, so I should have backup in a day or so, but the DTOM description is completely incorrect regarding their first confrontation in Chicago.
Sentinel's attack wasn't random, I distinctly remember from watching the movie that it was in reaction to Megatron trying to cozy up to him, suggesting that they shared the same ideals and the same ultimate goals. This seriously infuriated Sentinel, who promptly informed the Decepticon Leader in a way that needed no translation, to never, ever dare to compare himself to Sentinel Prime, ever again.

[[User:SteamPunk Astrotrain|SteamPunk Astrotrain]] 22:43, 16 July 2011 (EDT)

Double Clutch (PCC)

2010-08-09T23:16:58Z

SteamPunk Astrotrain: Added one of Hasbro's pictures to the article.

{{faction|autobot}}

{{disambig2|the Power Core Combiners character|the Generation 2 character|Double Clutch (G2)}}

:''Double Clutch is an [[Autobot]] [[Commander (PCC)|Commander]] from ''[[Power Core Combiners]]''.''

[[Image:Double Clutch Collage.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Rally round the wagon, boys!]]
'''Double Clutch''' has always been a master of diversionary tactics. His entire team is built around the idea of confusing and disrupting [[Decepticon]] operations. The speed and noise of the [[Rallybot]]s alone is enough to strain any robot’s sensors. Add to that all the electronic countermeasures built into the team, and the Rallybots become the single greatest threat to [[Decepticon]] strategy.

==Toys==
===''Power Core Combiners''===
*'''Double Clutch with Rallybots''' (Commander Class, 2010)
: Part of the second wave of ''Power Core Combiners'' 5-Packs, Double Clutch is a Scout-sized muscle car. His drones, the Rallybots, can automatically transform from vehicle to limb using [[Automorph Technology]] when clipped onto Double Clutch. When detached, they transform back to vehicle mode.

:There are reports of a mold error on Double Clutch, the peg on his elbow being too big to lock properly into the corresponding hole, in his bicep.

:In an odd design choice, the Drag Racer Drone does not in fact Automorph. It has to be transformed manually, and this is shown in the directions.