Talk:Wheelie (G1)

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I applaud the profile. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
::It's amazing how many sentences can rhyme without not making sense. [[User:American Girl|American Girl]] 19:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
: Well, on second thought, I applaud the concept of the bio, but think the content is more appropriate for the animated continuity section. It seems to chronicle the circumstances of the movie, and not his personality. (Remember, in Dreamwave, he was never on Quintessa that we saw.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:Point conceded. The new bio's better than mine anyway. The whole entry is much improved. So many horrible rhymes...bwahahahahaha. --[[User:Autobus Prime|Autobus Prime]] 12:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

We totally need to complete this entry. This deserves to be a Featured Article. sadly, I'm pretty awful about fiction. I OWN most of it, but don't REMEMBER it very well. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Having just rhymed all through the section I just added, I have no idea how Wheelie keeps it up 24/7. Exhausting! --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 09:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
:Rhyming isn't really all that hard if you have the vocabulary of a bard. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 13:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Fixed the manga summary to rhyme and keep the gag going. Though I think I write rhymes more like Dr. Seuss than Wheelie...--[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with the rhyming in the article, but the rhythm really needs work. I'd change it, but I'm afraid of being accused of ripping apart large sections of the article for no good reason (see Walky's comment below).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 22:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not yet to be Featured==
Sipher, the reason I unfeatured it is because the inconsistency of the rhyme's meter is really embarrassing. If you read the history, you'll see my note. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:57, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Then maybe you should have removed the "Featured Article" Category, which is why I put the tag on it (and is still there as of your last edit). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Indeed I should! Meanwhile, history is your friend. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:43, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

==Commercial voice==
Walky, Frank Welker never VOICED Scrappy-Doo! He did, however, voice Peewit. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:57, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Welker ''did'' voice Zzcooby & Freddy in new show! [[User:Wazzpinator|Wazzpinator]] 18:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

==Italian names==
I don't have the brainpower to add these in rhyme tonight. If somebody could, Wheelie was called Saetta in the dub of TFTM, and... apparently ''Scooter'' in everything else. (At least, it doesn't SEEM to be a joke...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 05:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:I apologize. - Chris McFeely, not signed in

== Continuity rhymes ==

"Continuity" doesn't rhyme with "see". [It rhymes with "bitty", to pick an irrelevant-but-accurate example] - 21:39, 16 August 2009 (EDT)
:It also rhymes with "enginuity"! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 20:03, 18 August 2009 (EDT)
::Or even "ingenuity"!--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:27, 19 August 2009 (EDT)
:::Ooh! Here's one that's on-topic, "ambiguity"!! -- [[User:Ziyad|Ziyad]] 07:14, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

== But seriously, folks... ==

...am I going to be hugely unpopular if I state my belief that the article has, at this point, gone way overboard? Rhymes in the section headers, line-breaks all over the place, rhymes being used to describe continuities where he ''didn't rhyme''... I think that this page has long since crossed the line between "fun" and "taking it way too far". Frankly, I would almost be in favour of scaling it back to just having a rhyming opening and captions. A ''lot'' of the fiction section is, to my eyes, suffering because of the demands of the rhyme scheme. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:11, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:All my hard work...unappreciated...:( --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:47, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::But to be serious, I wrote nearly all the rhymes in the fiction portion of the article and created the linebreaks so folks could see the scheme. The rhymes in the fiction headers and continuity notes were some no-username's doing and I've never been very fond of them.
::Still, if many people agree that the humor interferes with the facts, then we can put it to a vote as to whether we get rid of the rhymes in the headers, the rhymes all together or if we just leave it. It may be ''my'' joke, but I'm not going to have a heart attack if others want to change it so it doesn't interfere with the facts (unlike ''some'' members of this Wiki). --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 10:54, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Aw, it's not that it's not appreciated, I see what you were doing, but it's... it's like Bonecrusher hate jokes. We started out with them and they were funny when the article was small but then when it was filled in they got really tiresome but people kept dogpiling 'em on anyway, until we had to say "No more". That's sort of what I'm feeling here. The idea worked when the article was small, but when it's full (which it ''isn't'' yet!) I think it gets in the way more than it is fun. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:56, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I need to concur, although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure. At the very least, his summary. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:20, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::''I need to concur/although we should keep SOME rhymes for sure.''
:::::Why, there's one right there! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:31, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
But this is the most awesome page on the wiki. It's one of the things people think of when they talk about how awesome our wiki is. It's like getting rid of the teacup ride at Disneyland. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:Or the testicles in ROTF. The ''Awesome'' defense only goes so far, especially in Transformers.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::That's a terrible analogy. When people talk about our wiki, they mention our Wheelie article that is all rhymes, and this is a good thing that they think epitomizes what we stand for and why we're better than other wikis. When people talk about Devastator's balls, it's derisively. I don't understand your comparison. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:46, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::::It's simple - Devastator's testicle's are 'awesome.' Bay thinks so. A lot of the moviegoing public though so. Most 'serious' fans thought otherwise. But an awful lot of people laughed and laughed at them, probably more than will ever read this wiki. Just because one group of people thinks something is awesome doesn't keep it from getting in the way of (imparting information / telling a strong story.) The fandom can be be a bit of an insulated community - an echo chamber, if you will. Pointing to anecdotal evidence one way or the other shouldn't be our benchmark. It's much more useful to go back to core principles.
::::But mostly I was seizing on your use of the word ''awesome'' which has been forever commingled with Bay for me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Well, I think the charm of us writing articles in the personality of the characters extends to more than just this one. [[Crankcase (G1)|Crankcase]], [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], [[Rewind]], etc., for instance. It can actually be weirdly useful sometimes in conveying information about characters without having to spell it out. But, if it's getting in the way of having an actual informative article in any instance, then it ''does'' need toning down. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

::I agree some of the rhyming should go. The headers, external link, notes and voice actor info in rhyme seems redundant to me, if not annoying. I can somewhat dig the argument not to put rhyme in sections of fiction in which he didn't rhyme, although I'd hate to see it go. But what I think would greatly help this article is a better layout. Currently, the article is all rather statically and confusingly "text-humongous white space-pic". I'd like to see it being connected a tad more by switching the text-pic order every second fiction/rhyme-paragraph (as well as having some of the paragraphs expanded). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:48, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
::I think all of the ''paragraphs'' should remain in rhyme. Headers, bullet-point "list" items... no. That's overkill. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:51, 10 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, mark me down as a compromise vote. Ditch the headers/notes, etc rhymes but keep the fiction section poetry. Partly because I spent a lot of time writing most of it, but also because I don't think the fiction poetry really interferes with the knowledge. The headers and stuff is annoying, though. --'''DrSpengler (at work, can't log in)'''
::::I'll agree with that. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 14:55, 12 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'd quite happily dump the whole joke, which was never that funny. And it does seriously impede the article. '''Vote NO on this from me''' [[User:Eire]] 20.02 Oct 12 09 (UTC)

==Japanese fiction: Rhyme or Not Rhyme?==

Recently, I've been told to stop writing the Japanese fiction sections in rhyme because Wheelie didn't rhyme in Japan, and that all rhymes should be reverted to standard. I wrote the Japanes fiction sections in rhyme to keep up the theme and flow of the article, and because it was fun, yeah. But if everyone else thinks the Japanese fiction sections should be de-rhymed, then so be it. Let's take a vote. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:26, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''AGAINST''' rhyme in the Japanese section. It simply isn't appropriate for that incarnation of the character.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 12:39, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it''' because I like the general theme of the page, it's fun, and because Wheelie only never rhymed because the Japanese language sucks at rhyming (same reason why their poems and music lyrics don't rhyme). The sentence structure just doesn't work in its favor. Just because the Japanese couldn't do it doesn't mean we should follow suit. English rocks at rhyming. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:55, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Here's me voting '''for it''', because if we're going to do a gag, we ought to be consistent with it throughout the article, or it looks half-assed. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 13:33, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keep it consistent or keep it out. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:38, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:Just so there's no confusion, I am obviously '''for it'''. I think the rhymes make the article fun and I believe that having random non-rhyming chunks would break up the flow of the page. And doing it just because Wheelie didn't rhyme in certain continuities isn't worth killing the fun. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:40, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I vote '''for it'''. Keeps the page consistent and there's already someone willing to do it. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:00, 8 February 2010 (EST)
: I vote '''AGAINST''' all the rhyme. Seriously, you ever sit down and try to exract information from this page? Imagine you're someone who knows nothing of Wheelie. After reading this I guarantee you'll know even less. [[User: Eire]] 18.59 8 Feb 2010
:: Hey, were you the [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Tales_of_the_Fallen_issue_5&diff=414380&oldid=413827 guy who called a dude a schmuck for no real reason], and so then he [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/593224.html?thread=14980936#t14980936 quit this wiki] because he was treated like shit? You don't get a vote. Especially since you think Florida and Cuba are separated by a friggin' river. (Anyway, I vote against rhyming in the Headmasters section.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:07, 8 February 2010 (EST)

:I vote '''against''' the rhyme, and note that when I first read this page, the break ''away'' from rhyming was hilarious... particularly because the text of the section was written in short, flat deliberately ''boring'' sentences to maximize the contrast. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:08, 8 February 2010 (EST)
::Yeah. I don't vote for the lack of rhyming in the Headmasters section for technicality reasons, but because it would be hilarious. Especially if it were written like a petulant little punk. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:'''AGAINST''' btw. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:09, 8 February 2010 (EST)
:I'm '''for it''' as I think it'd disrupt the flow, if it was only randomly rhyming.

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