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Sunstreaker (Animated)

2015-04-17T14:54:04Z

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{{disambig3|Sunstreaker}}
{{faction|autobot}}

:''Sunstreaker is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:CompleteAllSparkAlmanac-Sunstreaker.jpg|right|thumb|200px|"there is... another... Arcee... re...deco...."]]

'''Sunstreaker''' spotted an enemy ship during the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]].

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==Notes==
[[Image:SunstreakerAnimated-Almanac.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Bye bye, ears!]]
* Sunstreaker was first seen in "The Great War" board game in the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]'', where Sunstreaker was drawn by [[Bill Forster]]. In ''[[Transformers Animated: The Complete AllSpark Almanac|The Complete AllSpark Almanac]]'', Sunstreaker is given new art, that of a redeco of [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]. Additionally, the text of her landing space and Sideswipe's are switched so that Sideswipe is captured and Sunstreaker spots the enemy ship, rather than the other way around. (Sideswipe's head is likewise updated to non-Forster art.) If an Autobot player lands on her spot, they now get 1000 Victory Points, rather than the original 2000 Victory Points for a Decepticon landing.
* The idea for Sunstreaker's new form may originate from [[BotCon 2011]]'s customization class, where an early customization toy idea was Sunstreaker from [[Drag Strip (Animated)|Drag Strip]], before ultimately [[Minerva (Animated)|Minerva]] was decided upon instead.

[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]
[[Category: Animated Autobots]]
[[Category: Female Transformers]]

Sunstreaker (Animated)

2015-04-17T14:53:29Z

Terrortron: /* Notes */

{{disambig3|Sunstreaker}}
{{faction|autobot}}

:''Sunstreaker is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:CompleteAllSparkAlmanac-Sunstreaker.jpg|right|thumb|200px|"there is... another... Arcee... re...deco...."]]

'''Sunstreaker''' spotted an enemy ship during the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]].

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==Notes==
[[Image:SunstreakerAnimated-Almanac.jpg|right|thumb|100px|Bye bye, ears!]]
* Sunstreaker was first seen in "The Great War" board game in the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]'', where Sunstreaker was drawn by [[Bill Forster]]. In ''[[Transformers Animated: The Complete AllSpark Almanac|The Complete AllSpark Almanac]]'', Sunstreaker is given new art, that of a redeco of [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]]. Additionally, the text of her landing space and Sideswipe's are switched so that Sideswipe is captured and Sunstreaker spots the enemy ship, rather than the other way around. (Sideswipe's head is likewise updated to non-Forster art.) If an Autobot player lands on her spot, they now get 1000 Victory Points, rather than the original 2000 Victory Points for a Decepticon landing.
* The idea for Sunstreaker's new form may originate from [[BotCon 2011]]'s customization class, where an early customization toy idea was Sunstreaker from [[Dragstrip (Animated)|Dragstrip]], before ultimately [[Minerva (Animated)|Minerva]] was decided upon instead.

[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]
[[Category: Animated Autobots]]
[[Category: Female Transformers]]

Sunstreaker (Animated)

2015-04-17T07:08:18Z

Terrortron:

{{disambig3|Sunstreaker}}
{{faction|autobot}}

:''Sunstreaker is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SunstreakerAnimated-Almanac.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe if she gets these big ears, nobody'll notice her [[chin]].]]

'''Sunstreaker''' spotted an enemy ship during the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]].

==Notes==
* Sunstreaker is seen only in the "The Great War" boardgame in the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''. If a Decepticon player lands on her spot, he gets 2000 Victory Points.
* Like a lot of the random incidentals in ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', Sunstreaker's head is designed by [[Bill Forster]].

[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]
[[Category: Animated Autobots]]

Sunstreaker (Animated)

2015-04-17T07:07:49Z

Terrortron:

{{disambig3|Sunstreaker}}
{{faction|autobot}}

:''Sunstreaker is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:SunstreakerAnimated-Almanac.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Maybe if she gets these big ears, nobody'll notice her [[chin]].]]

'''Sunstreaker''' spotted and enemy ship during the [[Great War (Animated)|Great War]].

==Notes==
* Sunstreaker is seen only in the "The Great War" boardgame in the ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]]''. If a Decepticon player lands on her spot, he gets 2000 Victory Points.
* Like a lot of the random incidentals in ''The AllSpark Almanac II'', Sunstreaker's head is designed by [[Bill Forster]].

[[Category: Almanac-only characters]]
[[Category: Animated Autobots]]

Skyhammer (Universe)

2015-04-17T05:49:14Z

Terrortron: /* Notes */ Updated because of Viper

{{factions|minicon|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Skyhammer}}
:''Skyhammer is a [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]] (via the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|2008 Universe line]]).''
[[File:TFU08-toy Skyhammer.jpg|400px|thumb|Crashing through the sky, comes the fearful cry...]]
'''Skyhammer''' is a member of the [[Decepticon]]-allied [[Overcast Team]]. His [[Alternate mode|alt-mode]] bears an uncanny resemblance to a [[Cobra]] [[Rattler]]<ref>[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/universe/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsID=958387D0-D56F-E112-4A37D17798536AB0 Hasbro.com announcement of the Mini-Con 12-pack,] including confirmation of Skyhammer's deco inspiration.</ref> , but there is no evidence that Cobra even exists in Skyhammer's universe, so this may be a coincidence.

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==Toys==
===Universe (2008)===
*'''Mini-Con Class 12 Pack''' (Multi-pack, 2008)
**''Series:'' '''Armada Series'''

:Skyhammer is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Steel Wind]], transforming into an [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes|A-10 "Thunderbolt" ground attack plane]].

:He was only available as part of a [[Kmart]] [[exclusive]] Mini-Con 12-pack with [[Backstop (Universe)|Backstop]], [[Blight (Universe)|Blight]], [[Bodyblock (Universe)|Bodyblock]], [[Boltflash]], [[Brimstone (Universe)|Brimstone]], [[Cloudraker (Universe)|Cloudraker]], [[Flatfoot (Universe)|Flatfoot]], [[Heavytread (Universe)|Heavytread]], [[Knockdown (Universe)|Knockdown]], [[Makeshift (Universe)|Makeshift]], and [[Suppressor (Universe)|Suppressor]].

:This mold was also used to make [[Skyglide]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Sky Shadow (Universe)|Sky Shadow]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Decepticon/Skyhammer/skyhammer.htm More information on Skyhammer at TFU.info]''
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{{anchor|UKcandy}}
*'''Skyhammer''' (Mini-Con, 2010)

:In the UK, all twelve Mini-Cons from the original "Mini-Con Class 12 Pack" set were released in individual [[Blindpacking|blind-pack]]ed bags with "[[energon fizzy sweets]]" candies, distributed by [[The Little Factory Ltd]]. This version of Skyhammer is actually a new tooling with numerous tiny differences from the original (and generally less crisp molding), but is functionally the same toy.

==Notes==
[[File:TFU08-toy Skyhammer-stock.jpg|300px|thumb|Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide, panic spreading far and wide...]]
*Skyhammer is the not the only ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' toy intended to look like a Rattler from ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'', but the character has no known connection to [[Cobra]]. [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] have both [[G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers|spent time as Rattlers]] under Cobra's control, but those forms have never been made into toys. Someday, [[Hasbro]]?
*The official photography of Skyhammer's [[alternate mode]] shows the toy misassembled: his legs are on the wrong sides, with the effect that the back half of the plane is upside-down. On top of that, he is also mistransformed, his fists not having been retracted into his engines.
*Skyhammer's [[paint operation]]s are also different between the package photos and the final product. The sample photos features a red Mini-Con [[Insignia|faction symbol]] and off-white face, while the final toy has a black symbol and a white-painted helmet.

==References==
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[[Category:Armada Decepticons]]
[[Category:Armada Mini-Cons]]
[[Category: Candy toys]]
[[Category:Kmart exclusives]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]

Series

2014-06-15T07:31:40Z

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[[First Transformers|Toyline]]
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[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (manga)|Manga]]
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[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (manga)|Manga]]
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[[Transformers: Zone (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|Cartoon]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Manga]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Story pages]]
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[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Return of Convoy (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (manga)|Manga]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Battlestars (story page)|Story pages]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (franchise)|Operation Combination]]''''' 
[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (story page)|Story pages]]
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[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Generation 2 (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|Comics]] | [[Transformers: G-2 (pack-in manga)|Pack-in Manga]] | [[The New Battle!!|Manga Special]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]''''' 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Beast Wars (comic)|Comics]] | [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Metals (manga)|Manga]] | [[Video games#Beast Era games|Video Games]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]''''' 
[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars II]]''''' 
[[Beast Wars II (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Beast Wars Special Super Lifeform Transformers|Movie]] | [[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (manga)|Manga]] | [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle|Video Game]]
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[[Animorphs|Toyline]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (franchise)|Beast Wars Neo]]''''' 
[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (manga)|Manga]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]''''' 
[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers: Universe (comic)#Transformers Universe: Featuring The Wreckers|Comic]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Mutant Beast Wars|Mutant Beast Wars]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Mutant Beast Wars|Toyline]]
|-
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[1-2-3 Transformers]]''''' 
[[1-2-3 Transformers|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise (2001)]]''''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers: Micromaster|Micromaster]]''''' 
[[The Transformers: Micromaster#Toys|Toyline]] | [[The Transformers: Micromaster#Story|Fiction]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers Collection]]''''' 
[[The Transformers Collection|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Armada (comic)|Comics]] | [[Linkage (comic)|Manga]] | [[Transformers (PS2)|Video Game]] | [[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within|Online Game]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Expanded Universe|Expanded Universe]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Expanded Universe|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Universe (comic)#Transformers Universe: Featuring The Wreckers|Comic]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]''''' 
[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[War Within (franchise)|The War Within]]''''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]''''' 
[[Smallest Transforming Transformers|Toyline]]
|-
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Go-Bots (franchise)|Go-Bots]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Go-Bots (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Go-Bots (cartoon)|Cartoon]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Kid Transformers: Rescue Heroes Go-Bots (franchise)|Rescue Heroes Go-Bots]]''''' 
[[Kid Transformers: Rescue Heroes Go-Bots (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Kid Transformers: Rescue Heroes Go-Bots (manga)|Manga]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Dinobots|Dinobots]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Dinobots|Toyline]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|''Universe'' (2003)]]''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers: Energon (comic)|Comics]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Alternators#Toys|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Alternators#Fiction|Fiction]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]''''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Hybrid Style]]''''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Timelines (franchise)|Timelines]]''''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]''''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]''''' 
[[Beast Wars Reborn|Toyline]] | [[Beast Wars Reborn#Fiction|Fiction]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Classics|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Classics#Fiction|Comics]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Titanium Series]]''''' 
[[Titanium Series|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Movie (franchise)|''Transformers'' (2007)]]''' 
[[Movie (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers (film)|Movie]] | [[Movie (comics)|Comics]] | [[Movie (books)|Books]] | [[Transformers The Game|Video Games]] | [[Transformers (Glu)|Mobile Game]] | [[Online game#Transformers (film)|Online Games]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha Series]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Beast Wars Diorama Story|Fiction]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]''''' 
[[Transformers Encore|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Music Label|Music Label]]''''' 
[[Transformers Music Label|Toyline]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Sports Label|Sports Label]]''''' 
[[Transformers Sports Label|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''''' 
[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers Animated (comic)|Comics]] | [[Transformers Animated (books)|Books]] | [[Transformers Animated: The Game|Video Game]] | [[Transformers Animated: Action Packs|Online Game]] | [[Transformers Animated: The Cool|Manga]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: TransTech|TransTech]]''''' 
<s>[[Transtech|Toyline]]</s> | [[Transformers: TransTech|Comics]]
|-
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (franchise)|Henkei! Henkei!]]''''' 
[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (pack-in manga)|Pack-in Manga]] | [[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (Comic Bun Bun)|Comic Bun Bun Manga]] | [[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (Visualize)|Visualize shorts]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)|Fiction]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|''Universe'' (2008)]]''' 
[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Universe (cartoon)|Cartoon]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Crossovers|Crossovers]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Crossovers|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Disney Label|Disney Label]]''''' 
[[Transformers Disney Label|Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]''' 
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Chrono Label]]''''' 
[[Chrono Label|<s>Toyline</s>]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|''Revenge of the Fallen'']]''' 
[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Movie]] | [[Revenge of the Fallen (comics)|Comics]] | [[Revenge of the Fallen (books)|Books]] | [[Revenge of the Fallen (video games)|Video Games]] | [[Online game#Revenge of the Fallen|Online Games]] | [[Transformers: Cyber Missions|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen: Unite for the Universe|Manga]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Device Label|Device Label]]''''' 
[[Transformers Device Label|Toyline]]
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|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers'' (2010)]]''' 
[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Rodimus vs. Cyclonus|Comic]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Power Core Combiners]]''''' 
[[Power Core Combiners|Toyline]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Generations|Toyline]]
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|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]''''' 
[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|Video Games]] | [[Transformers: Exodus|Novel]] | [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|Comic]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers United|United]]''''' 
[[Transformers United#Toys|Toyline]] | [[Transformers United#Fiction|Fiction]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|''Prime'']]''' 
[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Toylines]] | [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Cartoon]] | [[Transformers: Prime (comics)|Comics]] | [[Transformers: Prime - The Game|Video Game]] | [[Online game#Prime|Online games]]
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|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (franchise)|Dark of the Moon]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Movie]] | [[Dark of the Moon (comics)|Comics]] | [[Dark of the Moon (books)|Books]] | [[Dark of the Moon (video games)|Video Games]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (franchise)|Rescue Bots]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Cartoon]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Kre-O]]''''' 
[[Kre-O#Sets|Toyline]] | [[Kre-O#Media|Media]]
|-
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]''''' 
[[Transformers Chronicle#Toys|Toyline]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Bot Shots (franchise)|Bot Shots]]''''' 
[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Toyline/Game]] | [[Bot Shots Battle Game!|Online game]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|''Fall of Cybertron'']]''' 
[[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Video Game]] | [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron (comic)|Comic]]
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|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers Cap Bots|Cap Bots]]''''' 
[[Transformers Cap Bots|Toyline]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|GT]]''''' 
[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Toyline]]
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Triple Combination: Transformers Go! (franchise)|Go!]]''''' 
[[Triple Combination: Transformers Go! (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Triple Combination: Transformers Go! (cartoon)|Cartoon]]
|-
|style="padding:.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Cloud |Cloud]]''''' 
[[Cloud |Toyline]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (franchise)|Age of Extinction]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Toyline]] | [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Movie]] | [[Transformers 4 Chinese Actors Talent Search Reality Show|Reality show]]
|style="padding: 0.5em;" valign="top"|'''''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)| Robots in Disguise (2015)]]''''' 
[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Cartoon]]
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[[Category:Media]]

Talk:Mars Attacks: The Transformers

2014-05-16T09:33:58Z

Terrortron: /* Continuity */

==Full stop error==
I was going by the image on [[The General]]. Maybe we need a better image on that page, if an image without the mistake is available? --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 05:39, 27 January 2013 (EST)
:The error isn't in the printed copy, there's a clearly visible period after the word 'any', the error was only in the preview. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 14:51, 27 January 2013 (EST)
::The mistake's definitely in the digital version as well. Kinda weird since I'd have thought it'd be the easier of the two to fix. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:10, 27 January 2013 (EST)
:::Nah, they got a guy with a Sharpie to go through all the print copies. Simple. :P [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 15:24, 27 January 2013 (EST)

== Continuity ==

I probably wouldn't have said anything if I wasn't minor edit-no explanation-reverted, but why do we list a continuity family under the "continuity" line? For reference, the [[Transformers Legends (book)|Transformers Legends]] stories uses things like "Generation 1 (Unique)" and "Beast Machines (Unique)." Can't we get any closer than the G1 continuity family which includes IDW, Beast Wars, and Marvel Comics? Are we pretending it is just some random Generation 1 universe where Spike wears yellow oil rig work boots? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:33, 28 January 2013 (EST)
:Throwing this in - the Continuity map in the latest Fan Club magazine places this in the cartoon continuity. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:22, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
::So should we move the Mars Attacks sections to the G1 cartoon sections? [[User:Mimi|Mimi]] 07:57, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
:::It seems so. Like the Madman comic and the Wings Universe. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:10, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
::::Don't forget that I noted [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=93772&view=findpost&p=2346624 a bunch of issues] with that continuity map, so it ain't perfect. This issue, while heavily influence on the cartoon continuity, feels more like a parody of that continuity, poking fun at it instead of feeling like a legitimate component of it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 18:28, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::I don't think anyone's arguing it should be part of the cartoon continuity in the way we treat IDW's Animated comics as part of the Animated cartoon sections, but it at least should go at the same level as Wings. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:01, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
::::::I would argue that. It crosses over with the G1 cartoon. Like GI Joe and the Marvel Comic, or The Avengers and IDW Transformers. The burden of proof would be for people who think it is not a legitimate crossover. It feels like a parody? I don't think so. It is a real story. Does a general yelling at Spike for wearing yellow oil rig boots make it a parody? No, that is just a sly in-joke, like "[[The Agenda (Part III)|Die-cast construction! It's a lost art.]]" I didn't know about your issues list, Sabrlade. But this doesn't seem like some kind of oversight. Mars Attacks was put in continuity with the cartoon because it pretty obviously is. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:28, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::"''The story... serves as a broad parody of the Generation 1 cartoon, using minimally-altered versions of its character models and playing on more than a few of its tropes and eccentricities.''"
:::::::At most, I could see it being an alternate version of the cartoon universe a la abates's Wings Universe comparison, rather than the very same one. I think I can agree with it being treated like how we treat Wing Universe, so, abates, I'll concede to your points. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 21:08, 20 July 2013 (EDT)
:::::::: Authorial intent: https://twitter.com/Shane_McCarthy/status/293757604935651329 Shane McCarthy on Twitter. To me it sounds like it's in the G1 cartoon universe and makes fun of it. [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] ([[User talk:Terrortron|talk]]) 05:33, 16 May 2014 (EDT)

Talk:Mars Attacks: The Transformers

2014-05-16T09:33:26Z

Terrortron: /* Continuity */ Authorial intent

List of The Headmasters episodes

2013-10-14T02:26:51Z

Terrortron: /* Transformers: The Headmasters: 1987–1988 */ Wrong date for "Ultra Magnus Dies!!"

{{main|Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)}}

==Transformers: The Headmasters: 1987–1988==
{| class="wikitable" style="margin: auto; width: 100%;"
|-
!#!!Title!!Japanese title!!Writer!!Director!!Original airdate!!Production code
{{Episode list
|Title="[[Four Warriors Come out of the Sky]]"
|EpisodeNumber=1
|OriginalAirDate=3 July 1987
|Aux1=空から来た四人の戦士
|Aux2=[[Keisuke Fujikawa]]
|Aux3=[[Katsutoshi Sasaki]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=In the year 2011, the Decepticons are back, and they've got added power in the form of the newest addition to the Transformers' war—Headmasters!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Mystery of Planet Master]]"
|EpisodeNumber=2
|OriginalAirDate=10 July 1987
|Aux1=マスター星の謎
|Aux2=[[Toyohiro Ando]]
|Aux3=[[Takao Yoshizawa]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=After learning of the origins of the Headmasters and the planet Master, the Autobots race to recover the missing Matrix.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime]]"
|EpisodeNumber=3
|OriginalAirDate=17 July 1987
|Aux1=夢のダブルコンボイ誕生
|Aux2=[[Yoshihisa Araki]]
|Aux3=[[Masao Itō]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=With the missing Matrix recovered, the race it on to return to Cybertron and secure the Autobots' control of the planet.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Great Cassette Operation]]"
|EpisodeNumber=4
|OriginalAirDate=24 July 1987
|Aux1=カセット大作戦
|Aux2=Toyhiro Ando
|Aux3=[[Jōhei Matsūra]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=When Soundwave is resurrected as Soundblaster and Cybertron is attacked by the Madmachine, the Autobots respond by recreating Blaster as Twincast.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Rebellion on Planet Beast]]"
|EpisodeNumber=5
|OriginalAirDate=31 July 1987
|Aux1=ビースト星の反乱
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=[[Akinori Ōrai]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Autobots head for planet Beast to aid the native Beastformers in repelling a Decepticon invasion.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Approach of the Demon Meteorite]]"
|EpisodeNumber=6
|OriginalAirDate=7 August 1987
|Aux1=悪魔の隕石接近
|Aux2=Keisuke Fujikawa
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Galvatron sends a gravity-warping meteor on a collision course with Cybertron, and only Daniel can save the day.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Four-Million-Year-Old Veil of Mystery]]"
|EpisodeNumber=7
|OriginalAirDate=28 August 1987
|Aux1=四百万年・謎のベール
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Akinori Ōrai
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Scorponok lures the Autobot Headmasters into a trap on the planet Praum, where they must call upon all their training to survive.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Terror! The Six Shadows]]"
|EpisodeNumber=8
|OriginalAirDate=4 September 1987
|Aux1=恐怖! 六つの影
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Masao Itō
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Trainbots take centre stage when six shadowy figures attack countries all across the world.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1]]"
|EpisodeNumber=9
|OriginalAirDate=4 September 1987
|Aux1=セイバートロン星危機一髪前編
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Jōhei Matsūra
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=When Vector Sigma develops a powerful new alloy, the Decepticons initiate an all-out strike against Cybertron to claim it for their own.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 2]]"
|EpisodeNumber=10
|OriginalAirDate=11 September 1987
|Aux1=セイバートロン星危機一髪後編
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The end looms for Cybertron as Scorponok's plan to secure power nears fruition...
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Shadow Emperor, Scorponok]]"
|EpisodeNumber=11
|OriginalAirDate=18 September 1987
|Aux1=影の大帝スコルポノック
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Masao Itō
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Scorponok takes command of the Decepticons, and the Autobot Headmasters must thwart his plan to seize control of an Earth satellite that can harness the energy of the sun.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts]]"
|EpisodeNumber=12
|OriginalAirDate=25 September 1987
|Aux1=謎の休火山大噴火
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Akinori Ōrai
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Autobots race to rescue a Peruvian village when the Decepticons cause a nearby volcano to erupt.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Head On!! Fortress Maximus]]"
|EpisodeNumber=13
|OriginalAirDate=2 October 1987
|Aux1=ヘッドオン!! フォートレスマキシマス
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Fortress must reveal his ultimate transformation when the Decepticons attack San Francisco with a carnivorous plant.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Explosion on Mars!! Maximus Is in Danger]]"
|EpisodeNumber=14
|OriginalAirDate=9 October 1987
|Aux1=火星爆破!! 危うしマキシマス
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Jōhei Matsūra
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Autobots attempt to stop a Decepticon plot to destroy the entire planet Mars.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears]]"
|EpisodeNumber=15
|OriginalAirDate=16 October 1987
|Aux1=火星爆破!! 出現メガザラック
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Akinori Ōrai
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=With Fortress Maximus out of power and the destruction of Mars looming ever nearer, Scorponok reveals his true face at last.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Return of the Immortal Emperor]]"
|EpisodeNumber=16
|OriginalAirDate=20 November 1987
|Aux1=帰ってきた不死身の帝王
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Takao Yoshizawa
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=In the middle of Scorponok's coronation as the new Decepticon emperor, the Autobots attack and an old enemy makes a surprising return!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[SOS from Planet Sandra]]"
|EpisodeNumber=17
|OriginalAirDate=27 November 1987
|Aux1=惑星サンドラSOS
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Autobots respond when an emergency request for energy comes from the other-dimensional planet Sandra.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Daniel Faces His Biggest Crisis Ever!!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=18
|OriginalAirDate=4 December 1987
|Aux1=ダニエル史上最大のピンチ!!
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Takao Yoshizawa
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Spike attempts to negotiate peace with Galvatron, but all is not as it seems as the Decepticons, now joined by the Horrorcons, plan their next evil scheme.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Fight to the Death on Planet Hive!!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=19
|OriginalAirDate=11 December 1987
|Aux1=蜂の巣惑星を死守せよ!!
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Masao Itō, [[Nobuō Shirahata]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=When the Decepticons attack the planet Hive, the Autobots have to prove their good intentions to the planet's inhabitants before they can save them!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Battle for Defense of the False Planet]]"
|EpisodeNumber=20
|OriginalAirDate=18 December 1987
|Aux1=見せかけ星の攻防戦
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Akinori Ōrai
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Decepticons' newest target is the energy-rich Twin Star planetary system, but before the Autobots can come to its defense, the Headmasters are going to have to settle their own arguments first!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Find MegaZarak's Weak Spot!!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=21
|OriginalAirDate=18 December 1987
|Aux1=メガザラックの弱点をあばけ!!
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Takao Yoshizawa
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Transformers' interplanetary travels bring them to planet Darhos, where the Autobots aid desperate prisoners in overthrowing the Decepticons and the planet's decadent ruling class. But that's not all - the key to defeating Scorponok is also hidden on this world!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Head Formation of Friendship]]"
|EpisodeNumber=22
|OriginalAirDate=18 December 1987
|Aux1=友情のヘッドフォーメーション
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Headmasters come to Highbrow's rescue when the Decepticons invade the beautiful world of Paradise.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Mystery of the Space Pirate Ship]]"
|EpisodeNumber=23
|OriginalAirDate=25 December 1987
|Aux1=宇宙海賊船の謎
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Jōhei Matsūra
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Autobot and Decepticon clones enter the fray as both factions search for the hidden proton energy of Pirate Planet.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Ultra Magnus Dies!!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=24
|OriginalAirDate=22 January 1988
|Aux1=ウルトラマグナス死す!!
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Nobuō Shirahata
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Whaddaya think happens?
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg]]"
|EpisodeNumber=25
|OriginalAirDate=29 January 1988
|Aux1=氷山に消えた破壊大帝
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Akinori Ōrai
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=With the true extent of Galvatron's master plan revealed, the Autobot Headmasters face the Emperor of Destruction in a final battle in the Arctic.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[I Risk My Life for Earth]]"
|EpisodeNumber=26
|OriginalAirDate=5 February 1988
|Aux1=地球に賭けるこの命
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=With Scorponok established as leader of the Decepticons once more and Spike on the verge of death, the fate of Earth hangs in the balance, and only Chromedome can save the day by discovering the long-held secret of Scorponok's weak spot!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)]]"
|EpisodeNumber=27
|OriginalAirDate=12 February 1988
|Aux1=奇跡の戦士ターゲットマスター (前編)
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Masao Itō, [[Fumiji Kitazume]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=With the Decepticons having fled Earth, the Autobots begin the clean-up operation, but things go awry when a discarded bomb threatens the planet's safety. Can the newest Autobot arrivals save the day? And what are the Decepticons planning now?
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 2)]]"
|EpisodeNumber=28
|OriginalAirDate=19 February 1988
|Aux1=奇跡の戦士ターゲットマスター (後編)
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Takao Yoshizawa
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The birth of the Targetmasters heralds another heartbreaking loss for Chromedome when the Autobots pursue the Decepticons back to planet Master.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Master Sword Is in Danger!!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=29
|OriginalAirDate=26 February 1988
|Aux1=危うしマスターソード!!
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Nobuō Shirahata
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=It's Chromedome and Daniel to the rescue when the Decepticons kidnap Wheelie and ransom him in exchange for the secrets of the Master Sword. But are the Autobots ready for... the Duocons?!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide]]"
|EpisodeNumber=30
|OriginalAirDate=4 March 1988
|Aux1=ザラックシールド攻防戦
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Jōhei Matsūra
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=It's a race against time for the Autobots as they search for the Decepticons' hidden base before the Zarak Shield can be completed.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Operation: Destroy the Decepticons]]"
|EpisodeNumber=31
|OriginalAirDate=11 March 1988
|Aux1=デストロン全滅作戦
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=The Autobot Headmasters team up with the young warriors of planet Master for an attack on the Decepticons, but when things go wrong, the Master Sword and the Zarak Shield finally meet in combat!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[My Friend Sixshot!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=32
|OriginalAirDate=18 March 1988
|Aux1=わが友シックスショット!
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Masao Itō, Fumiji Kitazume
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Separated from their comrades by an asteroid storm, Daniel and Sixshot are thrust together when they become stranded on a dangerous planet, and Daniel discovers that the ninja may not be all that he appears.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Duel on the Asteroid]]"
|EpisodeNumber=33
|OriginalAirDate=25 March 1988
|Aux1=アステロイドの決闘
|Aux2=Toyohiro Ando
|Aux3=Akinori Ōrai
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Chromedome and Sixshot's rivalry explodes when the ninja challenges the Headmaster to a one-on-one duel in the asteroid belt.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 1)]]"
|EpisodeNumber=34
|OriginalAirDate=25 March 1988
|Aux1=最後の地球大決戦 (前編)
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Nobuō Shirahata
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Chaos erupts on Earth when the Decepticons return and massive "Death Towers" appear in strategic locations across the planet. Can the Autobots stop Scorponok's final attempt to destroy the world?
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)]]"
|EpisodeNumber=35
|OriginalAirDate=28 March 1988
|Aux1=最後の地球大決戦 (後編)
|Aux2=Yoshihisa Araki
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=With Death Towers all over the planet releasing energy that threatens to tear the Earth apart, everything comes down to a climactic battle between the assembled forces of the Autobots and Decepticons at the North Pole, where Fortress Maximus and Scorponok have their final showdown!
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Heroic Legend: Optimus Prime vs Megatron!!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=36
|OriginalAirDate=Home video
|Aux1=英雄伝説コンボイVSメガトロン!
|Aux2=Masumi Kaneda
|Aux3=[[Shōzō Tajima]]
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Clip show of the original series.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Heroic Legend: 2010 Wars]]"
|EpisodeNumber=37
|OriginalAirDate=Home video
|Aux1=英雄伝説2010ウォーズ
|Aux2=Masumi Kaneda
|Aux3=Shōzō Tajima
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Clip show of ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]]''.
}}

{{Episode list
|Title="[[Heroic Legend: Head On, Master Warriors!]]"
|EpisodeNumber=38
|OriginalAirDate=Home video
|Aux1=英雄伝説ヘッドオン！マスター戦士
|Aux2=Masumi Kaneda
|Aux3=Katsutoshi Sasaki
|ProdCode=
|ShortSummary=Clip show of ''The Headmasters''.
}}
[[Category:Episode lists|Headmasters]]
[[Category:The Headmasters episodes| ]]

Transformers United

2012-12-25T04:50:05Z

Terrortron: /* United EX */

[[Image:TFUnited logo.jpg|center|400px]]

'''''Transformers United''''' (トランスフォーマーユナイテッド) is a Japanese [[TakaraTomy]] toyline initially comprising [[redeco]]s from [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'', [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']], and ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' toylines, later expanding its focus to become something of a dumping ground for molds from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] and the [[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]] line which have never previously been released by Takara. Much like TakaraTomy's release of the ''[[Transformers Animated (toyline)|Transformers Animated]]'' toyline, some of these Japanese versions have glossy metallic paint jobs. As a continuation of a marketing strategy introduced during the [[Movie (toyline)|2007 live-action movie toyline]], most of the characters retain their American names.

In 2012, the line became '''United EX''', and oddly consisted entirely of (expensive) new-character [[redeco]]s of ''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' figures. Don't ask us.

Also in 2012 were several Asia (excluding Japan) releases for United, consisting of redecos likely meant to fill in "holes" in collectors' collections.

==Fiction==
===United===
*A comic series in [[Million Publishing|Million Publishing's]] latest ''Transformers Generations'' volumes, including "[[A New Battle!]]" and "[[The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos]]".
*''[[Macrocosmic Seekers]]'', a series of prose stories taking place during ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Transformers 2010]]''.
*An extended toy commercial giving descriptions of all the first-wave characters.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EejvhYAGCzE ''United'' toy commercial]</ref> Though light on continuity, it does show the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War-for-Cybertron]]''-based toys [[trans-scan]]ning into [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation-1]]-based modern [[Earth]] forms, a connection not made explicit in any other ''United'' fiction.
===United EX===
*A [[Transformers United EX|story]] told in back-of-package chapters, showcasing the origins of the [[Power Core Combination|Power Core Combiners]] in an adventure set in [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Japanese cartoon continuity]], simultaneous with ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination (franchise)|Operation Combination]]''.

==Toys==
===Regular retail===
'''Wave 1''' (released [[December 25]], [[2010]])
*UN-01 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode]] (''Generations'' [[Optimus Prime (Prime)#Generations|Cybertronian Optimus Prime]])
*UN-02 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#United|Bumblebee Cybertron Mode]] (''Generations'' [[Bumblebee (Prime)#Generations|Cybertronian Bumblebee]])
*UN-03 [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper Cybertron Mode]] (''Generations'' [[Cliffjumper (Prime)#Generations|Cybertronian Cliffjumper]])
*UN-04 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Megatron Cybertron Mode]] (''Generations'' [[Megatron (Prime)#Generations|Cybertronian Megatron]])
*UN-05 [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#United|Soundwave Cybertron Mode]] (''Generations'' [[Soundwave (Prime)#Generations|Cybertronian Soundwave]])
*UN-06 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Optimus Prime]] (''Classics'' Deluxe class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]])
*UN-07 [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#United|Bumblebee]] (''Classics'' Deluxe class [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Classics |Bumblebee]])
*UN-08 [[Drift (G1)#United 2|Autobot Drift]] (''Generations'' Autobot Drift)
*UN-09 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Megatron]] (''Classics'' Voyager class [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron]])
*UN-10 [[Straxus (G1)#United 2|Straxus]] (''Generations'' Darkmount)

'''Wave 2''' (released [[January 29]], 2011)
*UN-11 [[Grapple#United|Autobot Grapple]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Solar Storm Grappel)
*UN-12 [[Jazz (G1)/toys#United|Autobot Jazz]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Special Ops Jazz)
*UN-13 [[Tracks (G1)#United|Autobot Tracks]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Turbo Tracks)
*UN-14 [[Lugnut (TF 2010)#United 2|Decepticon Lugnut]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Lugnut)

'''Wave 3''' (released [[February 26]], 2011)
*UN-15 [[Perceptor (G1)#United|Autobot Perceptor]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Perceptor)
*UN-16 [[Blurr (G1)#United|Autobot Blurr]] (''Generations'' Blurr)
*UN-17 [[Kup (G1)#United|Autobot Kup]] (''Generations'' Sergeant Kup)
*UN-18 [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#United|Wreck-Gar]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Wreck-Gar)

'''Wave 4''' (released [[March 26]], 2011)
*UN-19 [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#United|Wheeljack]] (''Generations'' Wheeljack)
*UN-20 [[Rumble (G1)#United|Rumble]] & [[Frenzy (G1)#United|Frenzy]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Demolition Rumble)
*UN-21 [[Scourge (G1)#United|Decepticon Scourge]] (''Generations'' Scourge)
*UN-22 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#United|Laser Optimus Prime]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Optimus Prime)

'''Wave 5''' (released January [[2012]])
*UN-23 [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#United|Rodimus Prime]] (''Classics'' Deluxe Class Rodimus)
*UN-24 [[Warpath (G1)#United|Warpath]] (''Generations'' Warpath)
*UN-25 [[Megatron (G1)/toys#United|Tank Megatron]] (''Classics'' Deluxe Class Megatron)
*UN-26 [[Thunderwing (G1)#United 2|Thunderwing]] (''Generations'' Thunderwing)
*UN-27 [[Windcharger (G1)#United|Windcharger]] vs [[Wipe-Out#United|Decepticon Wipe-Out]] (''Transformers'' 2010 Windcharger)

'''Wave 6''' (released February 2012)
*UN-28 [[Axalon (BW)#United 2|Axalon]] (''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Sharkticon (Energon)|Sharkticon]])
*UN-29 [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] [[Unicron/toys#United|Unicron]] (''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Unicron)
*UN-30 [[Optimus Primal/toys#United|Optimus Primal]] (''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' Optimus Primal)
*UN-31 [[Megatron (BW)/toys#United|Beast Megatron]] (''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' Megatron)

====United EX====
'''Wave 7''' (released [[September 22]], 2012)
*EX-01 [[Onslaught (G1)|Combatmaster]] Prime Mode (''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Bombshock (PCC)|Bombshock]])
*EX-02 [[Tread Bolt#United EX 2|Jetmaster]] Prime Mode (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Skyburst]])
*EX-P1 [[Straxus (G1)|Rollermaster]] vs [[Blaze Master|Choppermaster]] with [[Spanner (United)|Spanner]] and [[Firebug (United)|Firebug]] (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Icepick (PCC)|Icepick]], [[Searchlight (PCC)|Searchlight]], [[Chainclaw (PCC)|Chainclaw]] and [[Backwind]])

'''Wave 8''' (released [[October 20]], 2012)
* EX-04 [[Kakuryū|Grimmaster]] Prime Mode (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Grimstone]])
* EX-05 [[Rapido|Racemaster]] Prime Mode (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Double Clutch (PCC)|Double Clutch]])
* EX-P2 [[Roadblock (G2)|Dozermaster]] vs [[Sky High (Micromaster)|Airmaster]] with [[Groundbreak]] and [[Deduce]] (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Sledge (PCC)|Sledge]] and [[Skyhammer (PCC)|Skyhammer]])

'''Wave 9''' (released [[October 27]], 2012)
* EX-03 [[Detritus (G1)|Roadmaster]] Prime Mode (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Mudslinger (PCC)|Mudslinger]])

'''Wave 10''' (released [[November 17]], 2012)
* EX-06 [[Gravedigger|Buildmaster]] Prime Mode (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Steamhammer (PCC)|Steamhammer]])
* EX-07 [[Clouder|Assaultmaster]] Prime Mode (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Crankcase (Movie)#Power Core Combiners 2|Crankcase]])
* EX-P3 [[Grindcore (G1)|Tankmaster]] vs [[Manta Ray (G2)|Marinemaster]] with [[Wheezel (United)|Wheezel]] and [[Rotorbolt (United)|Rotorbolt]] (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Heavytread (PCC)|Heavytread]] and [[Undertow (PCC)|Undertow]])

===Exclusives===
*[[Fracas]] (''[[Power Core Combiners]]'' [[Chainclaw (PCC)|Chainclaw]], released [[December 28]], 2010)
*[[Haywire]] (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Caliburst (PCC)|Caliburst]], released December 28, 2010)
*[[Recoil]] (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Airlift (PCC)|Airlift]], released [[January 1]], 2011)
*[[Caliburst (G1)|Caliburst]] (''Power Core Combiners'' [[Backwind]], released [[March 5]], 2011)
*[[Spoilsport]] (''Power Core Combiners'' Airlift, released March 5, 2011)
*Autobot Set ([[e-HOBBY]] set containing [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Hot Rod Clear Blue Version]], [[Kup (G1)|Autobot Kup Damage Version]] and [[Scrapheap (G1)|Scrapheap]], released in April 2011)
*Decepticon Set (e-HOBBY set containing [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron Purple Clear Version]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus Purple Clear Version]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Decepticon Scourge Purple Clear Version]], released in April 2011)
*[[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|Darkside Optimus Prime]] & [[Darkside Megatron]] (Tokyo Toy Show 2011-exclusive set, released in June 2011)
*[[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Stepper]] (''[[Transformers Generations 2011]]'' Vol. 1 mail-away exclusive, released in December 2011)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#United|Ultra Magnus]] (Asian-market exclusive, released [[September 29]], 2012)
*[[Bruticus (G1)#United|Bruticus Giftset]] (consisting of [[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]], [[Vortex (G1)|Vortex]], [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]], [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], and [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]) (Asian-market exclusive, released [[November 7]], 2012)
*[[Artfire (Headmasters)|Artfire]] ([[Million Publishing]] [[Transformers Generations 2012|Generations Book]] exclusive, shipped [[December 17]], 2012)
*[[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] Ace Set (consisting of [[Starscream (G1)/toys#United|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#United|Skywarp]], and [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#United|Thundercracker]]) (Asian-market exclusive, released [[December 21]], 2012)
*[[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]] Elite / Dogfight Set (consisting of [[Ramjet (G1)#United|Ramjet]], [[Thrust (G1)#United|Thrust]], and [[Dirge (G1)#United|Dirge]]) (Chinese-market exclusive, released [[December 28]], 2012)

==References==
<references />

==External links==
*[http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/products/TF/products/united.html TakaraTomy's ''United'' page]

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MP-1B Cybertron Commander / Convoy Black Ver.

2012-11-18T14:40:28Z

Terrortron: Changed OP link to Eldedroid.

{{comicstory|
|seriesissue=''The Transformers'' e-Hobby Comic Vol. 01
|prev=Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version
|next=MP-3G Destron Air Commander / Starscream Ghost Ver.
|title="MP-1B Cybertron Commander / Convoy Black Ver."
|japanese=
|romaji=
|image=MP1BCybertronCommanderCover01.jpg
|published in=January 2010
|packaged with=[[Eldedroid|Convoy Black Ver.]]
|written by=[[Naoto Sakai]]
|art by=[[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]]
|continuity=[[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''Convoy Black Ver. is the one underwater fighting the Constructicons, heck !'''

==Synopsis==

[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] gathers the [[Autobot]]s together for a mission briefing regarding a spate of attacks on human shipping vessels that have occurred over the last 47 days. Prime unveils the mangled remains of a grotesque biomechanical creature that was responsible for attacking a transport ship from [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]] eight days prior. Evidence of DNA alteration and nanotechnology in the creature's corpse led the Autobots to suspect [[Decepticon]] involvement, which was confirmed three days ago when a second creature was sighted during another attack. Tracking it, the Autobots discovered an underwater [[Decepticon]] base, and Prime announces that an oceanic team is now investigating...

Beneath the ocean's surface, [[Splashdown]] and [[Waverider]] transport a submarine containing "cargo" to the Decepticon base. The two [[Pretender]]s are mystified at the lack of activity or guards as they approach, but, inside, they come across [[Hook (G1)|Hook]] and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]]. The submarine opens to reveal [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] and a black Optimus Prime—an [[Eldedroid]], programmed with a personality based on that of a human named [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Dan]]. This plan also takes advantage of the fear of Optimus Prime inherent in all Decepticons, a fear proven when the two horrified [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] express their disbelief that Optimus Prime would deign to attack their "tiny mining base". Dan makes easy work of the Constructicons and enters a room with a moon pool leading to the outside sea. As he looks out over the water, however, he is attacked from behind by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and although he falls, he feels no pain through the robotic body. Megatron is understandably in a bad mood, having been demoted to this demeaning position by the new Decepticon leader [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]], and he and Dan battle, with Dan making a point of sounding as much like Prime as he can to make sure Megatron believes he is fighting the genuine article.

Back at Autobot headquarters, Prime is concerned over Dan's welfare, but [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] tells him not to be so pessimistic. Splashdown radios in to report that the Constructicons have revealed the true story behind the biomechanical beasts: They were created in the underwater base by the Decepticons, with the aid of human scientists! However, the experiment backfired when the creatures went out control, turning on the Decepticons and keeping them trapped in the base. Splashdown has not yet determined if the creatures' attacks on the human ships are the product of animal instinct or not.

Back with the fight, although Dan feels no pain, he can tell that his body is accumulating a dangerous amount of damage. As Megatron is without his [[fusion cannon]], Dan refuses to shoot him, as it is "not the Prime way", at which point Megatron reveals that he knows Dan is not the real Optimus Prime. Megatron denounces his followers as fools for believing Dan's trick and instructs him to return to the real Prime and tell him that Megatron is leaving all responsibility for the creatures in the Autobots' hands. As he makes this declaration, a gigantic creature bursts from the moon pool...

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] (2)
*[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] (3)
*[[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (6)
*[[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (7)
*[[Splashdown]] (8)
*[[Waverider]] (9)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (12)
*[[Eldedroid|Convoy Black Ver.]]/[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Dan]] (13)
*[[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (13)

|c2=
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (10)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (11)
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] (12)
}}

==Quotes==

"Optimus ? The boss oneself came to beat such tiny mining base, heck ? No kidding this time ! It's going to be more knotty !!"
:—'''Hook''' assesses his situation.

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
*The presence of [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] stands out as anomalous, as he ought to be dead by this point in time. He wouldn't be the [[Wheeljack (G1)|only]] [[Prowl (G1)|character]] to have died only to show up alive in Japanese fiction, however; we can probably point to the confusing, time- and space-bending effects of the ''[[Story of Binaltech|Binaltech]]'' story as some kind of explanation.

*In 1989, Takara released a "Hero Set" containing the Classic Pretender versions of Bumblebee, Grimlock, Jazz and Starscream (sans their shells). Takara's [[Generation 1 cartoon timeline (Japan)|2007 timeline]] confirmed that the conflict this set represented was set in cartoon continuity, explaining why Bumblebee appears in his original form in this story, rather than as Goldbug.

*According to [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka|the author]], Splashdown's partner is American Pretender Waverider, not [[Diver (Masterforce)|Diver]], making his Japanese-continuity debut.

*The [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] were last seen in the ''[[Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!|Zone]]'' cartoon, being washed away in a flood of lava. Most fans assumed they died, given the casual manner in which ''Zone'' dispatches a few other combiners. Guess not!

===Transformers references===
*The identity of "Dan" is not revealed, but we're pretty confident in saying it's [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]], who would chronologically be an adult in his forties, if not older, by this point.
*This comic takes place after the events of the Japanese ''[[Transformers: G-2 (story page)|Generation 2]]'' storyline. It follows a storyline begun by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] via the [[bio]]s packaged with several other [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive toys.
**The story began in the [[Galvatron II]] bio, where a Galvatron from [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|an alternate reality]] traveled to this timeline, intending to conquer the universe with his fleet of [[Warworld]]s.
**The story continued in the [[Laser Rod]] [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] bio, in which Ultra Magnus used the [[Reconfiguration Matrix]] within the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to resurrect himself in a new body with which to counter Galvatron II.
**The story then continued into the "[[Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version]]" comic, in which Optimus Prime dons a "[[Black body]]" in order to save Ultra Magnus from the rampaging Galvatron II.
**"Convoy Black Ver."'s bio was the next link in the chain, establishing that [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Ga'mede]] had studied Prime's new Black Body and created mass-produced robot drones in its image named [[Eldedroid]]s. This comic occurs some time afterward.
*This marks the first appearance of Megatron since the end of the ''G-2'' storyline, when he and the Decepticons were banished to deep space. Apparently, Galvatron II seized command of the Decepticons following their defeat.

===Other notes===
*The issue contains both Japanese and English text. However, the [[Engrish|English translation]] is sloppy, sometimes to the point of incomprehensibility. It renders "Dan" with two Ns for no readily apparent reason.


[[Category:e-Hobby issues]]

Talk:Kakuryu (G1)

2012-10-26T03:49:45Z

Terrortron:

Once we get his United EX story and whatnot... Featured Article? (I realize we're likely gonna have to use stock photos for his toy entry there, since I have NO plans of buying the toy... but still.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:14, 21 October 2012 (EDT)
:I'd be for it, but yeah, I'm still uncertain what the difference ''is'' between Grimstone and Grim Master, toywise.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:27, 21 October 2012 (EDT)
::The colors are slightly different shades, darker gray, different reds and golds too I think. -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 23:49, 25 October 2012 (EDT)

Decepticon Mini-Cassette

2012-09-13T07:20:18Z

Terrortron: /* Fiction only */

{{disambig2|the subgroup sometimes referred to as Recordicons|the comic strip about them|Recordicons}}
{{stub|rest of the fiction, up-top links and maybe short descriptions, toy section needs fleshing out}}
{{factions|decepticon|sgDecepticon|minicon}}
:''The Decepticon Mini-Cassettes are a [[subgroup]] of [[Decepticon]]s (and in [[Ravage (G1)|a single case]], a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Madman comic Soundwave ejects tapes.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Eject! Operation: Illustration.]]
The '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' (also known as '''Spy Cassettes''' and '''Recordicons''') are [[Decepticon]]s (and in one case, a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog [[Mini-Cassette|audio cassettes]]. They can fit into [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Soundwave varies depending on continuity.

Many of these troops have communication or espionage roles. Recycling of body designs is common among them as well.

{{quote|In the days of Megatron, Decepticons developed the art of espionage using cassette technology.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
For the most part, the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes did not appear to have a particularly special or unique relationship with Soundwave. Soundwave occasionally carried Laserbeak within his chest compartment, releasing him for surprise attacks. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}

More often, the Mini-Cassette troops used their small alternate modes for stealth, disguise and transportation by other characters. Rumble and Frenzy frequently hitched rides in the cockpit of the Decepticon jets, for example. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Ravage used his cassette form on several occasions to spy on humans. {{storylink|Power Play!}} Three of the cassette troops were taken out of play by Omega Supreme {{storylink|Command Performances!}} and remained inoperative for quite some time, while Ravage was dropped into a mine shaft by the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], {{storylink|Showdown!}} taking him out of play for even longer. Only Laserbeak remained operative, acting as a sort of totem of Decepticon leadership. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Ratbat assumed a cassette form upon traveling to Earth, and used this disguise to monitor his human accomplices. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
The Mini-Cassettes acted as a sort of special-missions force, under the command of their host Soundwave. Soundwave could store numerous cassettes within his chest, at times ejecting as many as four at once. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Laserbeak was frequently sent to spy on the [[Autobot]]s at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], once using his cassette form to sneak in. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} Ravage likewise used his cassette mode to infiltrate [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] and steal information about Earth's resources. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} Rumble was used more often to destroy stuff, though all three frequently engaged in battle.

The less-seen Buzzsaw and Frenzy also appeared on occasion, usually acting in conjunction with Laserbeak and Rumble, respectively. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

Years later, Ratbat joined the cassette forces; like Laserbeak, he specialized in spy work and reconnaissance, particularly in tight quarters inaccessible to Laserbeak. {{storylink|Secret Files of Teletraan II}}

Some time after that, Overkill and Slugfest also joined Soundwave's troops. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
In the year 2001, Soundwave unleashed his army of new Mini-Cassettes to steal the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] from a secure bunker at the construction site of [[Autobot City]] on Earth. They were interrupted during their excavation by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who successfully disabled Soundwave and his various helpers, retrieving the Matrix. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
Ravage attacked [[Kenji]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in Tokyo while the rest of the Autobots were occupied by Megatron's forces. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] managed to sweep Kenji to safety, but Bumblebee was then confronted by Rumble, Laserbeak and Ratbat as well. Bumblebee managed to evade the Cassettes long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] to arrive as back-up. Using a patented Bumble Kick, the small Autobot damaged Soundwave's chest compartment, so that when Ravage and the others attempted to hide from the Autobots inside their master, they bounced fruitlessly off of Soundwave. Cliffjumper was able to grab them while they were still in their cassette forms, pulling out their magnetic tape. Harsh. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s attempted to frame the Autobots for their evil deeds, Rumble and Frenzy appealed directly to the human race for Decepticon support. Disguised in full-body cloaks and masks, they staged rallys against the Autobots and convince mankind that the Decepticons were their true friends. Their ruse was soon uncovered by [[Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who ripped off the Decepticons' robes to reveal their true selves. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

=====''Scramble City'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}} {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}{{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}} {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}{{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}{{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
As the Autobots prepared to leave Earth and pursue [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s forces into space, Soundblaster of all the Decepticons stayed behind to continue tormenting humanity. He dispatched Overkill and Slugfest to attack the Witwickys but they were, um...overpowered by [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. After [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] blasted Soundblaster into the distance, his remaining Cassettes crowded around the Decepticon tapedeck as he shook the stars from his eyes. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
The origin of the Mini-Cassettes as a whole is unknown. Warriors like Laserbeak and Ravage were seen working with Soundwave in their standard capacity since the beginning of the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The War Within|The War Within}} The sole exception is Ratbat, who was once a high-ranking Decepticon, and the leader of his own independent faction during the [[Dark Ages]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}} At an unknown point in history, Ratbat was apparently converted into a Mini-Cassette as punishment for some unknown offense. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Besides Ratbat, the Mini-Cassettes were sent into stasis lock with Soundwave and the rest of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki> crew for four million years on the planet Earth. They reawakened in 1984 to battle [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} When the Transformers eventually returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Mini-Cassettes went with Soundwave under the new command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] made a proposal to strike out on their own, however, they turned against Shockwave. Part of the deal was Starscream reuniting Soundwave with Ratbat, whom he had apparently already used as a Mini-Cassette in the past. The Mini-Cassettes returned to Earth with Soundwave and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s. {{storylink|War and Peace}} Megatron eventually returned, reclaiming leadership from Starscream, with the help of Soundwave and the Mini-Cassettes. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{note|After returning to Earth, only Rumble and Frenzy made express appearances. Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Ratbat were presumably present inside Soundwave.}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] worked with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] from the beginning as his minions.

[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] were originally energon miners like [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. They were the first pre-Decepticons to hitch their wagons to the rising star of Megatron. Megatron had them reformatted into the Cybertronian equivalent of mini-cassettes in order to participate in a surprise attack on the [[Senate]]. They weren't entirely happy about it, but agreed out of fear and loyalty to Megatron. [[Squawkbox]] also participated in that operation.

{{note|It is unclear if Squawkbox was already a minion of Soundwave or if he was also reformatted for that purpose.}}

[[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] was Soundwave's boss up until the Decepticon uprising, at which point, Soundwave slagged him but preserved his spark in a Cybertronian mini-cassette. {{storylink|The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin}}

Much later, Squawkbox served on the same space station as [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sixshot}}

Ravage and Laserbeak traveled with Soundwave to Earth while keeping an eye on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. Buzzsaw, Frenzy, and Rumble were not seen during this period, but the possibility that Soundwave was keeping one or more of them in reserve cannot be ruled out. (You never ''really'' know who he has hidden in there.) It was at this time that Soundwave and at least Ravage and Laserbeak picked up [[1984]]-era Earth [[alternate mode]]s. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

Ratbat spent some time as a regular member of Earth's [[Infiltration protocol|infiltration unit]] doing reconnaissance work. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} He had a non-mini-cassete alternate mode.

Laserbeak, Ravage, Frenzy, Rumble, and Ratbat all participated in Megatron's full-scale invasion of Earth as Soundwave's mini-cassette minions. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Soundwave, Ravage, Squawkbox, and Rumble and/or Frenzy were among the Decepticons who were awakened in eighteenth century Earth and took on alternate modes from that era. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel}}

It was not revealed what those alternate modes were, but textual notes in Squawkbox's concept art included in the trade paperback indicate that his "upper body transforms into a mechanical gorilla" and his "lower part transforms into mechanical eagle."

===Shattered Glass===
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}} {{storylink|Recordicons}}

==Toys==
===Frenzy mold===
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]]

===Laserbeak mold===
[[Image:LaserbeakG1toy.JPG|right|200px|thumb|1984 cassette Laserbeak]]
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]
*[[Sundor]]

===Ratbat mold===
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]
* [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]
* "Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]]

===Ravage mold===
*[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*[[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]
*[[Glit]]

===''Universe'' Ravage mold===
: This is an entirely new-mold version of the character, still transforming from jaguar to a cassette compatible with G1 Soundwave / Blaster.
*''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]

===Slugfest mold===
* [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]]
* "Shattered Glass" [[Slugfest (SG)|Slugfest]]

===Other molds===
* [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk]], who can combine to form [[Squawkbox]].
* [[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]], [[Redeco|redecoed]] from the [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] mold.
* [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]

===Fiction only===
*[[:Image:Generic cassettes.jpg|Many]] [[Palette swap|other]] [[generic]]s.
*[[Autoscout]] {{storylink|A Prime Problem}}
*[[:Image:Ravage clones gi joe vol 2.jpg|Ravage clones]] {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3}}
*"[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] {{storylink|Shattered Expectations}} {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Buzzsaw (SG)|Buzzsaw]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Enemy (SG)|Enemy]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #4}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Overkill (SG)|Overkill]] {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Garboil (SG)|Garboil]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Howlback (SG)|Howlback]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}

==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookRecordicons.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*This sub-group was called '''Decepticon Cassettes''' in the 1984 toy [[catalog]], but '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' in all subsequent catalogs.
*The term "Spy Cassettes" was used in advertisements featured in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Overview 2|Marvel UK comics]] and an organizational chart in the [[Transformers Annual 1987]], while "Recordicon" was used in a 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook to describe Laserbeak. "Recordicon" has seen recent use in the ''Shattered Glass'' profiles for Ravage and Ratbat.
*The term "Cassetticon" is an unofficial term that crops up amongst the fanbase.
*The San Diego Comic-Con 2009 reissue of Soundwave refers to the cassettes as "[[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]]" figures. The term "Deployer" had previously been used for the [[Deployer (BM)|small animal-to-weapon figures]] from the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' toyline]].
*In "[[The Agenda (Part 2)|The Agenda]]", Ravage still has his cassette alternate mode, despite undergoing a complete rebuilding. He fits into a compartment on his [[Transwarp cruiser|ship]].
*In addition to being retconned as deployers, Soundwave's [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] bio also presented Ravage, Laserbeak and all of Soundwave's other partners as [[Mini-Con]]s. That'll rattle a few cages. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-Nominee-1.cfm]
*The Hall of Fame bio also revealed that Laserbeak and Ravage are Soundwave's favorite partners. (It's okay, [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]], we still love you).

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettron''' (カセットロン ''Kasettoron'')

[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Decepticon]]

Decepticon Mini-Cassette

2012-09-13T07:10:41Z

Terrortron: /* Toys */ SG Slugfest

{{disambig2|the subgroup sometimes referred to as Recordicons|the comic strip about them|Recordicons}}
{{stub|rest of the fiction, up-top links and maybe short descriptions, toy section needs fleshing out}}
{{factions|decepticon|sgDecepticon|minicon}}
:''The Decepticon Mini-Cassettes are a [[subgroup]] of [[Decepticon]]s (and in [[Ravage (G1)|a single case]], a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Madman comic Soundwave ejects tapes.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Eject! Operation: Illustration.]]
The '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' (also known as '''Spy Cassettes''' and '''Recordicons''') are [[Decepticon]]s (and in one case, a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog [[Mini-Cassette|audio cassettes]]. They can fit into [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Soundwave varies depending on continuity.

Many of these troops have communication or espionage roles. Recycling of body designs is common among them as well.

{{quote|In the days of Megatron, Decepticons developed the art of espionage using cassette technology.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
For the most part, the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes did not appear to have a particularly special or unique relationship with Soundwave. Soundwave occasionally carried Laserbeak within his chest compartment, releasing him for surprise attacks. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}

More often, the Mini-Cassette troops used their small alternate modes for stealth, disguise and transportation by other characters. Rumble and Frenzy frequently hitched rides in the cockpit of the Decepticon jets, for example. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Ravage used his cassette form on several occasions to spy on humans. {{storylink|Power Play!}} Three of the cassette troops were taken out of play by Omega Supreme {{storylink|Command Performances!}} and remained inoperative for quite some time, while Ravage was dropped into a mine shaft by the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], {{storylink|Showdown!}} taking him out of play for even longer. Only Laserbeak remained operative, acting as a sort of totem of Decepticon leadership. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Ratbat assumed a cassette form upon traveling to Earth, and used this disguise to monitor his human accomplices. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
The Mini-Cassettes acted as a sort of special-missions force, under the command of their host Soundwave. Soundwave could store numerous cassettes within his chest, at times ejecting as many as four at once. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Laserbeak was frequently sent to spy on the [[Autobot]]s at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], once using his cassette form to sneak in. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} Ravage likewise used his cassette mode to infiltrate [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] and steal information about Earth's resources. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} Rumble was used more often to destroy stuff, though all three frequently engaged in battle.

The less-seen Buzzsaw and Frenzy also appeared on occasion, usually acting in conjunction with Laserbeak and Rumble, respectively. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

Years later, Ratbat joined the cassette forces; like Laserbeak, he specialized in spy work and reconnaissance, particularly in tight quarters inaccessible to Laserbeak. {{storylink|Secret Files of Teletraan II}}

Some time after that, Overkill and Slugfest also joined Soundwave's troops. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
In the year 2001, Soundwave unleashed his army of new Mini-Cassettes to steal the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] from a secure bunker at the construction site of [[Autobot City]] on Earth. They were interrupted during their excavation by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who successfully disabled Soundwave and his various helpers, retrieving the Matrix. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
Ravage attacked [[Kenji]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in Tokyo while the rest of the Autobots were occupied by Megatron's forces. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] managed to sweep Kenji to safety, but Bumblebee was then confronted by Rumble, Laserbeak and Ratbat as well. Bumblebee managed to evade the Cassettes long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] to arrive as back-up. Using a patented Bumble Kick, the small Autobot damaged Soundwave's chest compartment, so that when Ravage and the others attempted to hide from the Autobots inside their master, they bounced fruitlessly off of Soundwave. Cliffjumper was able to grab them while they were still in their cassette forms, pulling out their magnetic tape. Harsh. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s attempted to frame the Autobots for their evil deeds, Rumble and Frenzy appealed directly to the human race for Decepticon support. Disguised in full-body cloaks and masks, they staged rallys against the Autobots and convince mankind that the Decepticons were their true friends. Their ruse was soon uncovered by [[Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who ripped off the Decepticons' robes to reveal their true selves. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

=====''Scramble City'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}} {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}{{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}} {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}{{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}{{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
As the Autobots prepared to leave Earth and pursue [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s forces into space, Soundblaster of all the Decepticons stayed behind to continue tormenting humanity. He dispatched Overkill and Slugfest to attack the Witwickys but they were, um...overpowered by [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. After [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] blasted Soundblaster into the distance, his remaining Cassettes crowded around the Decepticon tapedeck as he shook the stars from his eyes. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
The origin of the Mini-Cassettes as a whole is unknown. Warriors like Laserbeak and Ravage were seen working with Soundwave in their standard capacity since the beginning of the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The War Within|The War Within}} The sole exception is Ratbat, who was once a high-ranking Decepticon, and the leader of his own independent faction during the [[Dark Ages]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}} At an unknown point in history, Ratbat was apparently converted into a Mini-Cassette as punishment for some unknown offense. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Besides Ratbat, the Mini-Cassettes were sent into stasis lock with Soundwave and the rest of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki> crew for four million years on the planet Earth. They reawakened in 1984 to battle [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} When the Transformers eventually returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Mini-Cassettes went with Soundwave under the new command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] made a proposal to strike out on their own, however, they turned against Shockwave. Part of the deal was Starscream reuniting Soundwave with Ratbat, whom he had apparently already used as a Mini-Cassette in the past. The Mini-Cassettes returned to Earth with Soundwave and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s. {{storylink|War and Peace}} Megatron eventually returned, reclaiming leadership from Starscream, with the help of Soundwave and the Mini-Cassettes. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{note|After returning to Earth, only Rumble and Frenzy made express appearances. Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Ratbat were presumably present inside Soundwave.}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] worked with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] from the beginning as his minions.

[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] were originally energon miners like [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. They were the first pre-Decepticons to hitch their wagons to the rising star of Megatron. Megatron had them reformatted into the Cybertronian equivalent of mini-cassettes in order to participate in a surprise attack on the [[Senate]]. They weren't entirely happy about it, but agreed out of fear and loyalty to Megatron. [[Squawkbox]] also participated in that operation.

{{note|It is unclear if Squawkbox was already a minion of Soundwave or if he was also reformatted for that purpose.}}

[[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] was Soundwave's boss up until the Decepticon uprising, at which point, Soundwave slagged him but preserved his spark in a Cybertronian mini-cassette. {{storylink|The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin}}

Much later, Squawkbox served on the same space station as [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sixshot}}

Ravage and Laserbeak traveled with Soundwave to Earth while keeping an eye on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. Buzzsaw, Frenzy, and Rumble were not seen during this period, but the possibility that Soundwave was keeping one or more of them in reserve cannot be ruled out. (You never ''really'' know who he has hidden in there.) It was at this time that Soundwave and at least Ravage and Laserbeak picked up [[1984]]-era Earth [[alternate mode]]s. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

Ratbat spent some time as a regular member of Earth's [[Infiltration protocol|infiltration unit]] doing reconnaissance work. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} He had a non-mini-cassete alternate mode.

Laserbeak, Ravage, Frenzy, Rumble, and Ratbat all participated in Megatron's full-scale invasion of Earth as Soundwave's mini-cassette minions. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Soundwave, Ravage, Squawkbox, and Rumble and/or Frenzy were among the Decepticons who were awakened in eighteenth century Earth and took on alternate modes from that era. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel}}

It was not revealed what those alternate modes were, but textual notes in Squawkbox's concept art included in the trade paperback indicate that his "upper body transforms into a mechanical gorilla" and his "lower part transforms into mechanical eagle."

===Shattered Glass===
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}} {{storylink|Recordicons}}

==Toys==
===Frenzy mold===
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]]

===Laserbeak mold===
[[Image:LaserbeakG1toy.JPG|right|200px|thumb|1984 cassette Laserbeak]]
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]
*[[Sundor]]

===Ratbat mold===
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]
* [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]
* "Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]]

===Ravage mold===
*[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*[[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]
*[[Glit]]

===''Universe'' Ravage mold===
: This is an entirely new-mold version of the character, still transforming from jaguar to a cassette compatible with G1 Soundwave / Blaster.
*''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]

===Slugfest mold===
* [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]]
* "Shattered Glass" [[Slugfest (SG)|Slugfest]]

===Other molds===
* [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk]], who can combine to form [[Squawkbox]].
* [[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]], [[Redeco|redecoed]] from the [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] mold.
* [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]

===Fiction only===
*[[:Image:Generic cassettes.jpg|Many]] [[Palette swap|other]] [[generic]]s.
*[[Autoscout]] {{storylink|A Prime Problem}}
*[[:Image:Ravage clones gi joe vol 2.jpg|Ravage clones]] {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3}}
*"[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] {{storylink|Shattered Expectations}} {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Buzzsaw (SG)|Buzzsaw]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]] {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 28}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Enemy (SG)|Enemy]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #4}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Overkill (SG)|Overkill]] {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Slugfest (SG)|Slugfest]] {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Garboil (SG)|Garboil]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Howlback (SG)|Howlback]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}

==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookRecordicons.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*This sub-group was called '''Decepticon Cassettes''' in the 1984 toy [[catalog]], but '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' in all subsequent catalogs.
*The term "Spy Cassettes" was used in advertisements featured in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Overview 2|Marvel UK comics]] and an organizational chart in the [[Transformers Annual 1987]], while "Recordicon" was used in a 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook to describe Laserbeak. "Recordicon" has seen recent use in the ''Shattered Glass'' profiles for Ravage and Ratbat.
*The term "Cassetticon" is an unofficial term that crops up amongst the fanbase.
*The San Diego Comic-Con 2009 reissue of Soundwave refers to the cassettes as "[[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]]" figures. The term "Deployer" had previously been used for the [[Deployer (BM)|small animal-to-weapon figures]] from the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' toyline]].
*In "[[The Agenda (Part 2)|The Agenda]]", Ravage still has his cassette alternate mode, despite undergoing a complete rebuilding. He fits into a compartment on his [[Transwarp cruiser|ship]].
*In addition to being retconned as deployers, Soundwave's [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] bio also presented Ravage, Laserbeak and all of Soundwave's other partners as [[Mini-Con]]s. That'll rattle a few cages. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-Nominee-1.cfm]
*The Hall of Fame bio also revealed that Laserbeak and Ravage are Soundwave's favorite partners. (It's okay, [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]], we still love you).

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettron''' (カセットロン ''Kasettoron'')

[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Decepticon]]

Decepticon Mini-Cassette

2012-09-13T07:07:23Z

Terrortron: /* Ratbat mold */

{{disambig2|the subgroup sometimes referred to as Recordicons|the comic strip about them|Recordicons}}
{{stub|rest of the fiction, up-top links and maybe short descriptions, toy section needs fleshing out}}
{{factions|decepticon|sgDecepticon|minicon}}
:''The Decepticon Mini-Cassettes are a [[subgroup]] of [[Decepticon]]s (and in [[Ravage (G1)|a single case]], a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Madman comic Soundwave ejects tapes.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Eject! Operation: Illustration.]]
The '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' (also known as '''Spy Cassettes''' and '''Recordicons''') are [[Decepticon]]s (and in one case, a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog [[Mini-Cassette|audio cassettes]]. They can fit into [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Soundwave varies depending on continuity.

Many of these troops have communication or espionage roles. Recycling of body designs is common among them as well.

{{quote|In the days of Megatron, Decepticons developed the art of espionage using cassette technology.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
For the most part, the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes did not appear to have a particularly special or unique relationship with Soundwave. Soundwave occasionally carried Laserbeak within his chest compartment, releasing him for surprise attacks. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}

More often, the Mini-Cassette troops used their small alternate modes for stealth, disguise and transportation by other characters. Rumble and Frenzy frequently hitched rides in the cockpit of the Decepticon jets, for example. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Ravage used his cassette form on several occasions to spy on humans. {{storylink|Power Play!}} Three of the cassette troops were taken out of play by Omega Supreme {{storylink|Command Performances!}} and remained inoperative for quite some time, while Ravage was dropped into a mine shaft by the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], {{storylink|Showdown!}} taking him out of play for even longer. Only Laserbeak remained operative, acting as a sort of totem of Decepticon leadership. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Ratbat assumed a cassette form upon traveling to Earth, and used this disguise to monitor his human accomplices. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
The Mini-Cassettes acted as a sort of special-missions force, under the command of their host Soundwave. Soundwave could store numerous cassettes within his chest, at times ejecting as many as four at once. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Laserbeak was frequently sent to spy on the [[Autobot]]s at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], once using his cassette form to sneak in. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} Ravage likewise used his cassette mode to infiltrate [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] and steal information about Earth's resources. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} Rumble was used more often to destroy stuff, though all three frequently engaged in battle.

The less-seen Buzzsaw and Frenzy also appeared on occasion, usually acting in conjunction with Laserbeak and Rumble, respectively. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

Years later, Ratbat joined the cassette forces; like Laserbeak, he specialized in spy work and reconnaissance, particularly in tight quarters inaccessible to Laserbeak. {{storylink|Secret Files of Teletraan II}}

Some time after that, Overkill and Slugfest also joined Soundwave's troops. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
In the year 2001, Soundwave unleashed his army of new Mini-Cassettes to steal the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] from a secure bunker at the construction site of [[Autobot City]] on Earth. They were interrupted during their excavation by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who successfully disabled Soundwave and his various helpers, retrieving the Matrix. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
Ravage attacked [[Kenji]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in Tokyo while the rest of the Autobots were occupied by Megatron's forces. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] managed to sweep Kenji to safety, but Bumblebee was then confronted by Rumble, Laserbeak and Ratbat as well. Bumblebee managed to evade the Cassettes long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] to arrive as back-up. Using a patented Bumble Kick, the small Autobot damaged Soundwave's chest compartment, so that when Ravage and the others attempted to hide from the Autobots inside their master, they bounced fruitlessly off of Soundwave. Cliffjumper was able to grab them while they were still in their cassette forms, pulling out their magnetic tape. Harsh. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s attempted to frame the Autobots for their evil deeds, Rumble and Frenzy appealed directly to the human race for Decepticon support. Disguised in full-body cloaks and masks, they staged rallys against the Autobots and convince mankind that the Decepticons were their true friends. Their ruse was soon uncovered by [[Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who ripped off the Decepticons' robes to reveal their true selves. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

=====''Scramble City'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}} {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}{{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}} {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}{{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}{{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
As the Autobots prepared to leave Earth and pursue [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s forces into space, Soundblaster of all the Decepticons stayed behind to continue tormenting humanity. He dispatched Overkill and Slugfest to attack the Witwickys but they were, um...overpowered by [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. After [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] blasted Soundblaster into the distance, his remaining Cassettes crowded around the Decepticon tapedeck as he shook the stars from his eyes. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
The origin of the Mini-Cassettes as a whole is unknown. Warriors like Laserbeak and Ravage were seen working with Soundwave in their standard capacity since the beginning of the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The War Within|The War Within}} The sole exception is Ratbat, who was once a high-ranking Decepticon, and the leader of his own independent faction during the [[Dark Ages]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}} At an unknown point in history, Ratbat was apparently converted into a Mini-Cassette as punishment for some unknown offense. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Besides Ratbat, the Mini-Cassettes were sent into stasis lock with Soundwave and the rest of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki> crew for four million years on the planet Earth. They reawakened in 1984 to battle [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} When the Transformers eventually returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Mini-Cassettes went with Soundwave under the new command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] made a proposal to strike out on their own, however, they turned against Shockwave. Part of the deal was Starscream reuniting Soundwave with Ratbat, whom he had apparently already used as a Mini-Cassette in the past. The Mini-Cassettes returned to Earth with Soundwave and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s. {{storylink|War and Peace}} Megatron eventually returned, reclaiming leadership from Starscream, with the help of Soundwave and the Mini-Cassettes. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{note|After returning to Earth, only Rumble and Frenzy made express appearances. Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Ratbat were presumably present inside Soundwave.}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] worked with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] from the beginning as his minions.

[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] were originally energon miners like [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. They were the first pre-Decepticons to hitch their wagons to the rising star of Megatron. Megatron had them reformatted into the Cybertronian equivalent of mini-cassettes in order to participate in a surprise attack on the [[Senate]]. They weren't entirely happy about it, but agreed out of fear and loyalty to Megatron. [[Squawkbox]] also participated in that operation.

{{note|It is unclear if Squawkbox was already a minion of Soundwave or if he was also reformatted for that purpose.}}

[[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] was Soundwave's boss up until the Decepticon uprising, at which point, Soundwave slagged him but preserved his spark in a Cybertronian mini-cassette. {{storylink|The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin}}

Much later, Squawkbox served on the same space station as [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sixshot}}

Ravage and Laserbeak traveled with Soundwave to Earth while keeping an eye on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. Buzzsaw, Frenzy, and Rumble were not seen during this period, but the possibility that Soundwave was keeping one or more of them in reserve cannot be ruled out. (You never ''really'' know who he has hidden in there.) It was at this time that Soundwave and at least Ravage and Laserbeak picked up [[1984]]-era Earth [[alternate mode]]s. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

Ratbat spent some time as a regular member of Earth's [[Infiltration protocol|infiltration unit]] doing reconnaissance work. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} He had a non-mini-cassete alternate mode.

Laserbeak, Ravage, Frenzy, Rumble, and Ratbat all participated in Megatron's full-scale invasion of Earth as Soundwave's mini-cassette minions. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Soundwave, Ravage, Squawkbox, and Rumble and/or Frenzy were among the Decepticons who were awakened in eighteenth century Earth and took on alternate modes from that era. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel}}

It was not revealed what those alternate modes were, but textual notes in Squawkbox's concept art included in the trade paperback indicate that his "upper body transforms into a mechanical gorilla" and his "lower part transforms into mechanical eagle."

===Shattered Glass===
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}} {{storylink|Recordicons}}

==Toys==
===Frenzy mold===
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]]

===Laserbeak mold===
[[Image:LaserbeakG1toy.JPG|right|200px|thumb|1984 cassette Laserbeak]]
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]
*[[Sundor]]

===Ratbat mold===
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]
* [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]
* "Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]]

===Ravage mold===
*[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*[[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]
*[[Glit]]

===''Universe'' Ravage mold===
: This is an entirely new-mold version of the character, still transforming from jaguar to a cassette compatible with G1 Soundwave / Blaster.
*''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]

===Other molds===
* [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk]], who can combine to form [[Squawkbox]].
* [[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]], [[Redeco|redecoed]] from the [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] mold.
* [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]
* [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]]

===Fiction only===
*[[:Image:Generic cassettes.jpg|Many]] [[Palette swap|other]] [[generic]]s.
*[[Autoscout]] {{storylink|A Prime Problem}}
*[[:Image:Ravage clones gi joe vol 2.jpg|Ravage clones]] {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3}}
*"[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] {{storylink|Shattered Expectations}} {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Buzzsaw (SG)|Buzzsaw]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]] {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 28}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Enemy (SG)|Enemy]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #4}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Overkill (SG)|Overkill]] {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Slugfest (SG)|Slugfest]] {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Garboil (SG)|Garboil]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Howlback (SG)|Howlback]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}

==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookRecordicons.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*This sub-group was called '''Decepticon Cassettes''' in the 1984 toy [[catalog]], but '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' in all subsequent catalogs.
*The term "Spy Cassettes" was used in advertisements featured in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Overview 2|Marvel UK comics]] and an organizational chart in the [[Transformers Annual 1987]], while "Recordicon" was used in a 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook to describe Laserbeak. "Recordicon" has seen recent use in the ''Shattered Glass'' profiles for Ravage and Ratbat.
*The term "Cassetticon" is an unofficial term that crops up amongst the fanbase.
*The San Diego Comic-Con 2009 reissue of Soundwave refers to the cassettes as "[[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]]" figures. The term "Deployer" had previously been used for the [[Deployer (BM)|small animal-to-weapon figures]] from the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' toyline]].
*In "[[The Agenda (Part 2)|The Agenda]]", Ravage still has his cassette alternate mode, despite undergoing a complete rebuilding. He fits into a compartment on his [[Transwarp cruiser|ship]].
*In addition to being retconned as deployers, Soundwave's [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] bio also presented Ravage, Laserbeak and all of Soundwave's other partners as [[Mini-Con]]s. That'll rattle a few cages. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-Nominee-1.cfm]
*The Hall of Fame bio also revealed that Laserbeak and Ravage are Soundwave's favorite partners. (It's okay, [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]], we still love you).

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettron''' (カセットロン ''Kasettoron'')

[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Decepticon]]

Decepticon Mini-Cassette

2012-09-13T07:06:56Z

Terrortron: /* Ratbat mold */

{{disambig2|the subgroup sometimes referred to as Recordicons|the comic strip about them|Recordicons}}
{{stub|rest of the fiction, up-top links and maybe short descriptions, toy section needs fleshing out}}
{{factions|decepticon|sgDecepticon|minicon}}
:''The Decepticon Mini-Cassettes are a [[subgroup]] of [[Decepticon]]s (and in [[Ravage (G1)|a single case]], a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Madman comic Soundwave ejects tapes.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Eject! Operation: Illustration.]]
The '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' (also known as '''Spy Cassettes''' and '''Recordicons''') are [[Decepticon]]s (and in one case, a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog [[Mini-Cassette|audio cassettes]]. They can fit into [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Soundwave varies depending on continuity.

Many of these troops have communication or espionage roles. Recycling of body designs is common among them as well.

{{quote|In the days of Megatron, Decepticons developed the art of espionage using cassette technology.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
For the most part, the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes did not appear to have a particularly special or unique relationship with Soundwave. Soundwave occasionally carried Laserbeak within his chest compartment, releasing him for surprise attacks. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}

More often, the Mini-Cassette troops used their small alternate modes for stealth, disguise and transportation by other characters. Rumble and Frenzy frequently hitched rides in the cockpit of the Decepticon jets, for example. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Ravage used his cassette form on several occasions to spy on humans. {{storylink|Power Play!}} Three of the cassette troops were taken out of play by Omega Supreme {{storylink|Command Performances!}} and remained inoperative for quite some time, while Ravage was dropped into a mine shaft by the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], {{storylink|Showdown!}} taking him out of play for even longer. Only Laserbeak remained operative, acting as a sort of totem of Decepticon leadership. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Ratbat assumed a cassette form upon traveling to Earth, and used this disguise to monitor his human accomplices. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
The Mini-Cassettes acted as a sort of special-missions force, under the command of their host Soundwave. Soundwave could store numerous cassettes within his chest, at times ejecting as many as four at once. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Laserbeak was frequently sent to spy on the [[Autobot]]s at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], once using his cassette form to sneak in. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} Ravage likewise used his cassette mode to infiltrate [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] and steal information about Earth's resources. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} Rumble was used more often to destroy stuff, though all three frequently engaged in battle.

The less-seen Buzzsaw and Frenzy also appeared on occasion, usually acting in conjunction with Laserbeak and Rumble, respectively. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

Years later, Ratbat joined the cassette forces; like Laserbeak, he specialized in spy work and reconnaissance, particularly in tight quarters inaccessible to Laserbeak. {{storylink|Secret Files of Teletraan II}}

Some time after that, Overkill and Slugfest also joined Soundwave's troops. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
In the year 2001, Soundwave unleashed his army of new Mini-Cassettes to steal the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] from a secure bunker at the construction site of [[Autobot City]] on Earth. They were interrupted during their excavation by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who successfully disabled Soundwave and his various helpers, retrieving the Matrix. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
Ravage attacked [[Kenji]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in Tokyo while the rest of the Autobots were occupied by Megatron's forces. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] managed to sweep Kenji to safety, but Bumblebee was then confronted by Rumble, Laserbeak and Ratbat as well. Bumblebee managed to evade the Cassettes long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] to arrive as back-up. Using a patented Bumble Kick, the small Autobot damaged Soundwave's chest compartment, so that when Ravage and the others attempted to hide from the Autobots inside their master, they bounced fruitlessly off of Soundwave. Cliffjumper was able to grab them while they were still in their cassette forms, pulling out their magnetic tape. Harsh. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s attempted to frame the Autobots for their evil deeds, Rumble and Frenzy appealed directly to the human race for Decepticon support. Disguised in full-body cloaks and masks, they staged rallys against the Autobots and convince mankind that the Decepticons were their true friends. Their ruse was soon uncovered by [[Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who ripped off the Decepticons' robes to reveal their true selves. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

=====''Scramble City'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}} {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}{{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}} {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}{{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}{{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
As the Autobots prepared to leave Earth and pursue [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s forces into space, Soundblaster of all the Decepticons stayed behind to continue tormenting humanity. He dispatched Overkill and Slugfest to attack the Witwickys but they were, um...overpowered by [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. After [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] blasted Soundblaster into the distance, his remaining Cassettes crowded around the Decepticon tapedeck as he shook the stars from his eyes. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
The origin of the Mini-Cassettes as a whole is unknown. Warriors like Laserbeak and Ravage were seen working with Soundwave in their standard capacity since the beginning of the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The War Within|The War Within}} The sole exception is Ratbat, who was once a high-ranking Decepticon, and the leader of his own independent faction during the [[Dark Ages]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}} At an unknown point in history, Ratbat was apparently converted into a Mini-Cassette as punishment for some unknown offense. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Besides Ratbat, the Mini-Cassettes were sent into stasis lock with Soundwave and the rest of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki> crew for four million years on the planet Earth. They reawakened in 1984 to battle [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} When the Transformers eventually returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Mini-Cassettes went with Soundwave under the new command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] made a proposal to strike out on their own, however, they turned against Shockwave. Part of the deal was Starscream reuniting Soundwave with Ratbat, whom he had apparently already used as a Mini-Cassette in the past. The Mini-Cassettes returned to Earth with Soundwave and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s. {{storylink|War and Peace}} Megatron eventually returned, reclaiming leadership from Starscream, with the help of Soundwave and the Mini-Cassettes. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{note|After returning to Earth, only Rumble and Frenzy made express appearances. Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Ratbat were presumably present inside Soundwave.}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] worked with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] from the beginning as his minions.

[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] were originally energon miners like [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. They were the first pre-Decepticons to hitch their wagons to the rising star of Megatron. Megatron had them reformatted into the Cybertronian equivalent of mini-cassettes in order to participate in a surprise attack on the [[Senate]]. They weren't entirely happy about it, but agreed out of fear and loyalty to Megatron. [[Squawkbox]] also participated in that operation.

{{note|It is unclear if Squawkbox was already a minion of Soundwave or if he was also reformatted for that purpose.}}

[[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] was Soundwave's boss up until the Decepticon uprising, at which point, Soundwave slagged him but preserved his spark in a Cybertronian mini-cassette. {{storylink|The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin}}

Much later, Squawkbox served on the same space station as [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sixshot}}

Ravage and Laserbeak traveled with Soundwave to Earth while keeping an eye on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. Buzzsaw, Frenzy, and Rumble were not seen during this period, but the possibility that Soundwave was keeping one or more of them in reserve cannot be ruled out. (You never ''really'' know who he has hidden in there.) It was at this time that Soundwave and at least Ravage and Laserbeak picked up [[1984]]-era Earth [[alternate mode]]s. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

Ratbat spent some time as a regular member of Earth's [[Infiltration protocol|infiltration unit]] doing reconnaissance work. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} He had a non-mini-cassete alternate mode.

Laserbeak, Ravage, Frenzy, Rumble, and Ratbat all participated in Megatron's full-scale invasion of Earth as Soundwave's mini-cassette minions. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Soundwave, Ravage, Squawkbox, and Rumble and/or Frenzy were among the Decepticons who were awakened in eighteenth century Earth and took on alternate modes from that era. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel}}

It was not revealed what those alternate modes were, but textual notes in Squawkbox's concept art included in the trade paperback indicate that his "upper body transforms into a mechanical gorilla" and his "lower part transforms into mechanical eagle."

===Shattered Glass===
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}} {{storylink|Recordicons}}

==Toys==
===Frenzy mold===
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]]

===Laserbeak mold===
[[Image:LaserbeakG1toy.JPG|right|200px|thumb|1984 cassette Laserbeak]]
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]
*[[Sundor]]

===Ratbat mold===
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]
* [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]
* [[Ratbat (SG)|"Shattered Glass" Ratbat]]

===Ravage mold===
*[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*[[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]
*[[Glit]]

===''Universe'' Ravage mold===
: This is an entirely new-mold version of the character, still transforming from jaguar to a cassette compatible with G1 Soundwave / Blaster.
*''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]

===Other molds===
* [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk]], who can combine to form [[Squawkbox]].
* [[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]], [[Redeco|redecoed]] from the [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] mold.
* [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]
* [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]]

===Fiction only===
*[[:Image:Generic cassettes.jpg|Many]] [[Palette swap|other]] [[generic]]s.
*[[Autoscout]] {{storylink|A Prime Problem}}
*[[:Image:Ravage clones gi joe vol 2.jpg|Ravage clones]] {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3}}
*"[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] {{storylink|Shattered Expectations}} {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Buzzsaw (SG)|Buzzsaw]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]] {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 28}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Enemy (SG)|Enemy]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #4}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Overkill (SG)|Overkill]] {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Slugfest (SG)|Slugfest]] {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Garboil (SG)|Garboil]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Howlback (SG)|Howlback]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}

==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookRecordicons.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*This sub-group was called '''Decepticon Cassettes''' in the 1984 toy [[catalog]], but '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' in all subsequent catalogs.
*The term "Spy Cassettes" was used in advertisements featured in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Overview 2|Marvel UK comics]] and an organizational chart in the [[Transformers Annual 1987]], while "Recordicon" was used in a 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook to describe Laserbeak. "Recordicon" has seen recent use in the ''Shattered Glass'' profiles for Ravage and Ratbat.
*The term "Cassetticon" is an unofficial term that crops up amongst the fanbase.
*The San Diego Comic-Con 2009 reissue of Soundwave refers to the cassettes as "[[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]]" figures. The term "Deployer" had previously been used for the [[Deployer (BM)|small animal-to-weapon figures]] from the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' toyline]].
*In "[[The Agenda (Part 2)|The Agenda]]", Ravage still has his cassette alternate mode, despite undergoing a complete rebuilding. He fits into a compartment on his [[Transwarp cruiser|ship]].
*In addition to being retconned as deployers, Soundwave's [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] bio also presented Ravage, Laserbeak and all of Soundwave's other partners as [[Mini-Con]]s. That'll rattle a few cages. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-Nominee-1.cfm]
*The Hall of Fame bio also revealed that Laserbeak and Ravage are Soundwave's favorite partners. (It's okay, [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]], we still love you).

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettron''' (カセットロン ''Kasettoron'')

[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Decepticon]]

Decepticon Mini-Cassette

2012-09-13T07:05:54Z

Terrortron: /* Ratbat mold */ SG Ratbat

{{disambig2|the subgroup sometimes referred to as Recordicons|the comic strip about them|Recordicons}}
{{stub|rest of the fiction, up-top links and maybe short descriptions, toy section needs fleshing out}}
{{factions|decepticon|sgDecepticon|minicon}}
:''The Decepticon Mini-Cassettes are a [[subgroup]] of [[Decepticon]]s (and in [[Ravage (G1)|a single case]], a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Madman comic Soundwave ejects tapes.jpg|right|400px|thumb|Eject! Operation: Illustration.]]
The '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' (also known as '''Spy Cassettes''' and '''Recordicons''') are [[Decepticon]]s (and in one case, a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]) who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog [[Mini-Cassette|audio cassettes]]. They can fit into [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Soundwave varies depending on continuity.

Many of these troops have communication or espionage roles. Recycling of body designs is common among them as well.

{{quote|In the days of Megatron, Decepticons developed the art of espionage using cassette technology.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
For the most part, the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes did not appear to have a particularly special or unique relationship with Soundwave. Soundwave occasionally carried Laserbeak within his chest compartment, releasing him for surprise attacks. {{storylink|Warrior School!}}

More often, the Mini-Cassette troops used their small alternate modes for stealth, disguise and transportation by other characters. Rumble and Frenzy frequently hitched rides in the cockpit of the Decepticon jets, for example. {{storylink|DIS-Integrated Circuits!}} Ravage used his cassette form on several occasions to spy on humans. {{storylink|Power Play!}} Three of the cassette troops were taken out of play by Omega Supreme {{storylink|Command Performances!}} and remained inoperative for quite some time, while Ravage was dropped into a mine shaft by the Autobot [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], {{storylink|Showdown!}} taking him out of play for even longer. Only Laserbeak remained operative, acting as a sort of totem of Decepticon leadership. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

Ratbat assumed a cassette form upon traveling to Earth, and used this disguise to monitor his human accomplices. {{storylink|Buster Witwicky and the Car Wash of Doom}}

===Cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
The Mini-Cassettes acted as a sort of special-missions force, under the command of their host Soundwave. Soundwave could store numerous cassettes within his chest, at times ejecting as many as four at once. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}} {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

Laserbeak was frequently sent to spy on the [[Autobot]]s at [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]], once using his cassette form to sneak in. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer}} Ravage likewise used his cassette mode to infiltrate [[Teletraan I (G1)|Teletraan I]] and steal information about Earth's resources. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye, Part 2}} Rumble was used more often to destroy stuff, though all three frequently engaged in battle.

The less-seen Buzzsaw and Frenzy also appeared on occasion, usually acting in conjunction with Laserbeak and Rumble, respectively. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (episode)|Countdown to Extinction}} {{storylink|Atlantis, Arise!}} {{storylink|The Immobilizer}}

Years later, Ratbat joined the cassette forces; like Laserbeak, he specialized in spy work and reconnaissance, particularly in tight quarters inaccessible to Laserbeak. {{storylink|Secret Files of Teletraan II}}

Some time after that, Overkill and Slugfest also joined Soundwave's troops. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

====Madman ''The Transformers'' comic====
In the year 2001, Soundwave unleashed his army of new Mini-Cassettes to steal the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] from a secure bunker at the construction site of [[Autobot City]] on Earth. They were interrupted during their excavation by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], who successfully disabled Soundwave and his various helpers, retrieving the Matrix. {{storylink|The Transformers (Madman)|The Transformers}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic=====
Ravage attacked [[Kenji]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] in Tokyo while the rest of the Autobots were occupied by Megatron's forces. [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]] managed to sweep Kenji to safety, but Bumblebee was then confronted by Rumble, Laserbeak and Ratbat as well. Bumblebee managed to evade the Cassettes long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] to arrive as back-up. Using a patented Bumble Kick, the small Autobot damaged Soundwave's chest compartment, so that when Ravage and the others attempted to hide from the Autobots inside their master, they bounced fruitlessly off of Soundwave. Cliffjumper was able to grab them while they were still in their cassette forms, pulling out their magnetic tape. Harsh. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 2|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #2}}

When the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticon]]s attempted to frame the Autobots for their evil deeds, Rumble and Frenzy appealed directly to the human race for Decepticon support. Disguised in full-body cloaks and masks, they staged rallys against the Autobots and convince mankind that the Decepticons were their true friends. Their ruse was soon uncovered by [[Eject]] and [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]], who ripped off the Decepticons' robes to reveal their true selves. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #7}}

=====''Scramble City'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}} {{storylink|Birth of the Fantastic Double Prime}}{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}} {{storylink|Terror! The Six Shadows}}{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}} {{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}} {{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}} {{storylink|Return of the Immortal Emperor}}{{storylink|SOS from Planet Sandra}} {{storylink|Battle for Defense of the False Planet}}{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}{{storylink|The Zarak Shield Turns the Tide}}{{storylink|Operation: Destroy the Decepticons}}
{{charstubfiction}}
=====''The Headmasters'' comic=====
As the Autobots prepared to leave Earth and pursue [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s forces into space, Soundblaster of all the Decepticons stayed behind to continue tormenting humanity. He dispatched Overkill and Slugfest to attack the Witwickys but they were, um...overpowered by [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]. After [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] blasted Soundblaster into the distance, his remaining Cassettes crowded around the Decepticon tapedeck as he shook the stars from his eyes. {{storylink|The Headmasters issue 8|The Headmasters #8}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
The origin of the Mini-Cassettes as a whole is unknown. Warriors like Laserbeak and Ravage were seen working with Soundwave in their standard capacity since the beginning of the war. {{storylink|Transformers: The War Within|The War Within}} The sole exception is Ratbat, who was once a high-ranking Decepticon, and the leader of his own independent faction during the [[Dark Ages]]. {{storylink|Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages|War Within: The Dark Ages}} At an unknown point in history, Ratbat was apparently converted into a Mini-Cassette as punishment for some unknown offense. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

Besides Ratbat, the Mini-Cassettes were sent into stasis lock with Soundwave and the rest of the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki> crew for four million years on the planet Earth. They reawakened in 1984 to battle [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. {{storylink|Prime Directive}} When the Transformers eventually returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], the Mini-Cassettes went with Soundwave under the new command of [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]. After [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] made a proposal to strike out on their own, however, they turned against Shockwave. Part of the deal was Starscream reuniting Soundwave with Ratbat, whom he had apparently already used as a Mini-Cassette in the past. The Mini-Cassettes returned to Earth with Soundwave and the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s. {{storylink|War and Peace}} Megatron eventually returned, reclaiming leadership from Starscream, with the help of Soundwave and the Mini-Cassettes. {{storylink|The Route of All Evil}}

{{note|After returning to Earth, only Rumble and Frenzy made express appearances. Ravage, Laserbeak, Buzzsaw and Ratbat were presumably present inside Soundwave.}}

===IDW comics continuity===
[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]], and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]] worked with [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] from the beginning as his minions.

[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] were originally energon miners like [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. They were the first pre-Decepticons to hitch their wagons to the rising star of Megatron. Megatron had them reformatted into the Cybertronian equivalent of mini-cassettes in order to participate in a surprise attack on the [[Senate]]. They weren't entirely happy about it, but agreed out of fear and loyalty to Megatron. [[Squawkbox]] also participated in that operation.

{{note|It is unclear if Squawkbox was already a minion of Soundwave or if he was also reformatted for that purpose.}}

[[Ratbat (G1)|Senator Ratbat]] was Soundwave's boss up until the Decepticon uprising, at which point, Soundwave slagged him but preserved his spark in a Cybertronian mini-cassette. {{storylink|The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin}}

Much later, Squawkbox served on the same space station as [[Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sixshot}}

Ravage and Laserbeak traveled with Soundwave to Earth while keeping an eye on [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. Buzzsaw, Frenzy, and Rumble were not seen during this period, but the possibility that Soundwave was keeping one or more of them in reserve cannot be ruled out. (You never ''really'' know who he has hidden in there.) It was at this time that Soundwave and at least Ravage and Laserbeak picked up [[1984]]-era Earth [[alternate mode]]s. {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}}

Ratbat spent some time as a regular member of Earth's [[Infiltration protocol|infiltration unit]] doing reconnaissance work. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1}} He had a non-mini-cassete alternate mode.

Laserbeak, Ravage, Frenzy, Rumble, and Ratbat all participated in Megatron's full-scale invasion of Earth as Soundwave's mini-cassette minions. {{storylink|The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
Soundwave, Ravage, Squawkbox, and Rumble and/or Frenzy were among the Decepticons who were awakened in eighteenth century Earth and took on alternate modes from that era. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel}}

It was not revealed what those alternate modes were, but textual notes in Squawkbox's concept art included in the trade paperback indicate that his "upper body transforms into a mechanical gorilla" and his "lower part transforms into mechanical eagle."

===Shattered Glass===
{{charstubfiction}}
{{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}} {{storylink|Recordicons}}

==Toys==
===Frenzy mold===
*[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]
*[[Enemy (G1)|Enemy]]

===Laserbeak mold===
[[Image:LaserbeakG1toy.JPG|right|200px|thumb|1984 cassette Laserbeak]]
*[[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Garboil (G1)|Garboil]]
*[[Sundor]]

===Ratbat mold===
* [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]
* [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]]
* [[Ratbat (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Ratbat]]

===Ravage mold===
*[[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*[[Howlback (G1)|Howlback]]
*[[Glit]]

===''Universe'' Ravage mold===
: This is an entirely new-mold version of the character, still transforming from jaguar to a cassette compatible with G1 Soundwave / Blaster.
*''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Ravage (G1)/toys|Ravage]]
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]

===Other molds===
* [[Beastbox (G1)|Beastbox]] and [[Squawktalk]], who can combine to form [[Squawkbox]].
* [[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]], [[Redeco|redecoed]] from the [[Rewind (G1)|Rewind]] mold.
* [[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]
* [[Slugfest (G1)|Slugfest]]

===Fiction only===
*[[:Image:Generic cassettes.jpg|Many]] [[Palette swap|other]] [[generic]]s.
*[[Autoscout]] {{storylink|A Prime Problem}}
*[[:Image:Ravage clones gi joe vol 2.jpg|Ravage clones]] {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3}}
*"[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]" [[Laserbeak (SG)|Laserbeak]] {{storylink|Shattered Expectations}} {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Buzzsaw (SG)|Buzzsaw]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Frenzy (SG)|Frenzy]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}} {{storylink|Eye in the Sky}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Ratbat (SG)|Ratbat]] {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 28}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Rumble (SG)|Rumble]] {{storylink|Shattered Glass}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Enemy (SG)|Enemy]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #4}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Overkill (SG)|Overkill]] {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Slugfest (SG)|Slugfest]] {{storylink|Dungeons & Dinobots}} {{storylink|Do Over}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Garboil (SG)|Garboil]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}
*"Shattered Glass" [[Howlback (SG)|Howlback]] {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #5}}

==Notes==
[[Image:DiamondStickerbookRecordicons.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*This sub-group was called '''Decepticon Cassettes''' in the 1984 toy [[catalog]], but '''Decepticon Mini-Cassettes''' in all subsequent catalogs.
*The term "Spy Cassettes" was used in advertisements featured in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Overview 2|Marvel UK comics]] and an organizational chart in the [[Transformers Annual 1987]], while "Recordicon" was used in a 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook to describe Laserbeak. "Recordicon" has seen recent use in the ''Shattered Glass'' profiles for Ravage and Ratbat.
*The term "Cassetticon" is an unofficial term that crops up amongst the fanbase.
*The San Diego Comic-Con 2009 reissue of Soundwave refers to the cassettes as "[[Deployer (Prime)|Deployer]]" figures. The term "Deployer" had previously been used for the [[Deployer (BM)|small animal-to-weapon figures]] from the [[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|''Beast Machines'' toyline]].
*In "[[The Agenda (Part 2)|The Agenda]]", Ravage still has his cassette alternate mode, despite undergoing a complete rebuilding. He fits into a compartment on his [[Transwarp cruiser|ship]].
*In addition to being retconned as deployers, Soundwave's [[Transformers Hall of Fame]] bio also presented Ravage, Laserbeak and all of Soundwave's other partners as [[Mini-Con]]s. That'll rattle a few cages. [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-Nominee-1.cfm]
*The Hall of Fame bio also revealed that Laserbeak and Ravage are Soundwave's favorite partners. (It's okay, [[Wingthing (G1)|Wingthing]], we still love you).

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettron''' (カセットロン ''Kasettoron'')

[[Category:Decepticon subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Decepticon]]

New Recruit

2012-09-09T01:55:59Z

Terrortron: /* Transformers references */

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'' ep 44
|prev=Out of the Past
|next=The Human Factor
|image=300px-Prime-smokescreen-s02e18-1.jpg
|caption=I'm not [[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]], [[Prowl (Prime)|Prowl]], [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], or [[Bluestreak (WFC)|Bluestreak]].
|title="New Recruit"
|airdate=[[September 7]], [[2012]]
|written by=[[Marty Isenberg]]
|directed by=[[Vinton Heuck]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]]
|production company=[[Hasbro Studios]]
}}

{{picsneeded}}

'''A Decepticon escape pod lands on Earth and the Autobot Smokescreen emerges, while Starscream uses the Apex Armor to go on a quest for Red Energon.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Image:NewRecruit-exercise.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Jane Fonda would be doing a facepalm at this.]]

[[Raf Esquivel|Raf]] and [[Jack Darby|Jack]] cruise the [[Internet]] for pictures of [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] to replace with tap-dancing monkey pictures, while [[Miko Nakadai|Miko]] forces [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] to exercise so his legs don't atrophy. Jack notices a picture which Raf identifies as a Cybertronian escape pod. [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] suggests bringing in [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] as Bulkhead still isn't combat-ready, which [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] promptly shoots down due to [[Hurt|recent events]]. [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus]] orders Ratchet to come along with them instead, as there might be an injured Autobot in the pod. They [[GroundBridge]] into the crash site to find it's a Decepticon pod, and they're immediately under attack from their foe. The [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]], augmented by [[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticons]], turn out to be a challenge, but then a new figure appears running through the trees. The newcomer's fire accidentally hits the [[energon]] leaking from the pod, and the Autobots take cover as it explodes, taking out the Decepticons. The over-enthusiastic newcomer happens to be [[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]], an Autobot rookie who becomes in awe when he meets ''the'' Optimus Prime. The Autobots are initially suspicious, remembering [[Con Job|the last time a new Autobot turned up]], but Smokescreen's tales of [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]] and guarding the Hall of Records convinces Prime that he is legitimate.

Back at base, Miko's excited to meet the new Autobot. Smokescreen relates the story of the last days of Iacon and how he was captured by Decepticons during the siege, before escaping from a Decepticon transport ship in an escape pod. Smokescreen thinks with him there they'll have the war ended in no time, and Bulkhead drags himself in to show the newcomer how the war is going. Miko volunteers Jack to show Smokescreen around.

In the ''[[Harbinger]]'', [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]] searches the Internet for interesting stuff and happens on an image of [[Red Energon]] at a construction site.

Jack shows Smokescreen around where the Cybertronian relics and [[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]] are stored. Bulkhead is upset that the others have brought in a replacement for him, but as they point out, Smokescreen is a newbie and needs a lot of training. Raf finds the same Red Energon photo that Starscream did. Smokescreen's keen to go out on the mission, but the others point out his need for training and an [[alternate mode]].

Starscream arrives at the construction site, only to find it deserted and the Red Energon gone.

Smokescreen and Jack scope out vehicles driving near [[Jasper]], and the Autobot is disappointed in the available vehicle forms. Meanwhile, Prime, Arcee and Bumblebee arrive at the dock where the Red Energon's been moved, and discover Starscream is already there. The Decepticon activates the [[Apex Armor (Prime)|Apex Armor]] and Optimus sends Arcee and Bumblebee to get the energon while he takes on Starscream. He reports back to base what's happening, and Smokescreen wants to go help, but is overruled by Ratchet.

Having dealt with Optimus, Starscream climbs up the crane after Arcee and Bumblebee. At base, Bulkhead urges Ratchet to let him go help, but Ratchet ignores him until they realize Smokescreen is missing. Ratchet finds him in the storeroom looking at the [[phase shifter]]. Meanwhile, Starscream reaches Arcee, only for Optimus to punch him right off the crane. Starscream tries to grab some of the Red Energon on the way down, breaking off a chunk. As Optimus starts hauling up the basket with the energon in it, Starscream grabs the bottom of the crane and tips it. He's interrupted by the arrival of Smokescreen through the GroundBridge. Using the phase shifter, the new Autobot kicks Starscream right out of the Apex Armor. While Smokescreen stands triumphant, Starscream fires off a missile at the crane, the ensuing explosion destroying the Red Energon meteor. Though the Autobots atop it survive, Starscream gets away with a chunk of Red Energon he broke off.

After they return to base, Smokescreen returns the phase shifter and the Apex Armor, after which Optimus officially welcomes him to [[Team Prime]]. Bulkhead looks on sadly, and though Miko tries to give him some encouraging words, he turns and limps back down the corridor.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] (1)
*[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] (4)
*[[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] (6)
*[[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] (7)
*[[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] (8)
*[[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] (11)
|c2=
*[[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicons]] (9)
*[[Insecticon (Prime)|Insecticons]] (10)
*[[Airachnid (Prime)|Airachnid]] (13)
|c3=
*[[Raf Esquivel]] (2)
*[[Jack Darby]] (3)
*[[Miko Nakadai]] (5)
|c4=
*[[Starscream (Prime) |Starscream]] (12)
}}

==Quotes==
"The tap-dancing monkey strikes again!"
:—'''Jack''' on Raf's latest anti-Bumblebee-sighting hack.

"All these Cons came out of one pod?" 
"Humans refer to the phenomenon as a 'clown car'!"
:—'''Arcee''' asks a question, and '''Ratchet''' offers an explanation.

"Better hope the '''hot shot's''' blasters are as big as his mouth."
:—'''Bulkhead''' isn't too impressed with the newest member of the team.

"Don't tell me it's '''another''' Bumblebee sighting..."
:-'''Ratchet''' says what we're all [[Shelfwarmer|thinking]].

"The Red Energon is mine, humans, for you are powerless in the face of the mighty Star- What? Where is it?!"
:—'''Starscream'''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> melodramatic entrance is deflated.

"Starscream?! I heard stories of that stiletto-heeled creep back on Cybertron!"
:—'''Smokescreen''', saying what we're all thinking about Starscream's feet.

"Any last words, Smokescreen?" 
"Just four—''kiss your armor goodbye!"
:—'''Starscream''' gets a last warning from '''Smokescreen''' before literally getting his tailpipe kicked.

==Notes==
===Animation and technical errors===
*As the Autobots run from the upcoming pod explosion, Optimus' arm weapons silently transform back into his hands.
*Smokescreen's elite guard logos disappear after he aquires an earth mode in exchange for his number 38 and checker racer decal.

===Continuity errors===
*As Optimus's report on the situation didn't mention the Apex Armor, how did Smokescreen know he needed the phase shifter?
*The Insecticons seem to die very easily in this episode. Arcee and Bumblebee take out one in a few seconds when last time it took them an [[Tunnel Vision|entire episode]].
*Unlike Bumblebee's experience in "Tunnel Vision", Smokescreen used the phase shifter to pass through the Apex Armor and manage to kick Starscream out of it. Shouldn't Smokescreen have passed through Starscream as well?

===Continuity notes===
*Bumblebee seems to have gained more pictures of himself on conspiracy websites since "[[One Shall Fall]]".
*The Autobots remember when [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] first arrived [[Con Job|and how that turned out]].
*Ratchet is still upset at Wheeljack for pulling that "revenge stunt" with Miko in "[[Hurt]]".
*Bulkhead is still suffering injuries from "[[Toxicity]]", but now he can walk a bit.
*Jack references the Spark Extractor, gained in "[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 1]]", the Immobilizer gained in "[[Partners]]", and the Phase Shifter, gained in "[[Tunnel Vision]]", the latter of which Smokescreen uses against Starscream.
*Airachnid is shown in stasis lock in an Insecticon pod from "[[Armada (episode)|Armada]]".
*Starscream still has the Apex Armor he obtained in "[[Triangulation]]". Well, that is until Smokescreen kicks him out.

===Transformers references===
* Smokescreen references [[Constructicon (Prime)|Constructicons]], [[Halogen (Prime)|Halogen]], [[Alpha Trion (Prime)|Alpha Trion]], the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]], and the [[Autobot High Council|High Council]].
* Optimus recalls Alpha Trion as the master archivist in Iacon's Hall of Records, which was exactly his occupation in ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]''.
* Smokescreen bears the Autobot Elite Guard symbol from the ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' series.
* In a likely coincidence (but with a chance of being intentional given the "[[Binder of Revelation]]"), in the [[TakaraTomy]] [[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|''Prime'' toyline]], some of the [[Arms Micron]]s have [[Arms_Micron#Energon_Crystals|Energon Crystals dubbed "Fast" energon]]... which are reddish-orange in color, rather like the red speed-imbuing energon introduced in this episode.
* The Decepticon warship Smokescreen was held captive aboard is similar in shape to [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]]' ship, [[Twilight (G2)|Twilight]].
* Smokescreen states that the Elite Guard was more of a boot camp for him, possibly as a reference to the Animated episode, [[Autoboot Camp]].

===Real-world references===
*Ratchet mentions the human phenomenon of the clown car.
*Starscream searches for information on the internet or as many refer to as "The Information Super Highway."

===Trivia===
*Starscream finds Earth humor funny. Guess Ratchet [[One Shall Fall|isn't the only one]].
*As usual, the vehicle mode Smokescreen chooses completely [[Masters & Students|matches]] [[Crisscross|his]] [[Loose Cannons|body]]. However, this is the first time a Transformer changes his paint job after getting a new vehicle mode.
*A new kind of Energon has been introduced with the regular, Dark, Synthetic, and Toxic forms, respectively. Perhaps it will also be called Red-En for short.

[[Category:Prime episodes]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2012-05-08T04:44:32Z

Terrortron: /* Deluxe Class */

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, '''''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''''' has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line"'s toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official heroic Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
{{collist|4|
*[[Divebomb (SG)#Toys|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)#Toys|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)#Toys|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)#Toys|Whisper]]
}}
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)#Toys|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)#Toys|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)#Toys|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)#Toys|Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)#Toys|Krunix]]

====Deluxe Class====
{{collist|4|
*[[Cyclonus (SG)#Toys|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)#Timelines|Ravage]] (w/ [[Scorch (G1)#Timelines|Turbomaster]])
}}
===2011===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)#Toys|Thundercracker]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)#Toys|Galvatron]]

===2012===

====Deluxe Class====
{{collist|4|
*[[Sir Soundwave#Timelines|Soundwave]]
*[[Treadshot (SG)#Toys|Treadshot]]
}}
====Voyager Class====
*[[Octopunch (SG)#Toys|Octopunch]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
{{collist|2|
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])
}}
===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
{{collist|2|
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])
*[[Scourge (SG)|Scourge]] ([[Sweep|Timelines Sweep]])
}}
===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Cybertron)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
{{collist|2|
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*Ravage ([[Tigatron|''Beast Machines'' Tigatron]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])
}}

==Official evil Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
{{collist|4|
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]
}}
====Voyager Class====
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
{{collist|4|
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]
}}
===2012===
====Deluxe Class====
{{collist|4|
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]
*[[Junkheap|Junkheap]]
*[[Longarm (SG)|Longarm]]
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]]
*[[Scrap Iron (SG)|Scrap Iron]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Wreck-Gar (SG)|Wreck-Gar]]
}}

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
{{collist|2|
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])
}}
===Scout Class===
{{collist|2|
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])
}}
===Deluxe Class===
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
{{collist|2|
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]] ([[Ultra Magnus (Universe Two-Pack)|''Universe'' Ultra Magnus]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])
}}

===Voyager Class===
*[[Jetfire (SG)|Jetfire]] ([[Jetfire (G1)#Gentei! Gentei!|''Gentei! Gentei!'' Dark Skyfire]])

===Misc===
{{collist|2|
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])
}}

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Shattered Glass (toyline)}}
[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

BotCon 2012

2012-04-10T04:44:00Z

Terrortron: /* Notes */

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|prev=BotCon 2011
|next=BotCon 2013
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|date=[[April 26]], [[2012]]
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|venue=Hyatt Regency Dallas
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'''BotCon 2012''' will be held in the Hyatt Regency Dallas in Dallas, Texas from [[April 26]] to [[April 29]], [[2012]].

{{TOCclear}}

==Run-up==
* [[September 7]], [[2011]], BotCon's Twitter feed started hinting at BotCon 2012's exclusive toys. <ref>http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82117</ref>
* The Diamond-exclusive version of "[[The Stunti-Con Job]]" had a full page ad advertising BotCon 2012, and hinted at the mold of one of its box set toys. <ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/484645-teaser-botcon-2012-rid-more-classics.html</ref>
* On [[December 5]], 2011, the date, location, and hotel for BotCon 2012 were announced.
* On [[December 24]], 2011, the brochure went live.
* On [[December 27]], 2011, "[[BotCon 2012: Figure Reveal!]]" revealed the first images of Gigatron.
* On [[December 30]], 2011, ''Shattered Glass'' Tracks was revealed.
* On [[January 3]], [[2012]], ''Shattered Glass'' Soundwave was revealed.
* On [[January 5]], [[2012]], registration was intended to go up, but required more testing. Instead, ''Shattered Glass'' Treadshot was revealed.
* On [[January 6]], [[2012]], at 6:22pm EST, registration for attending packages went live. Both (larger) customization classes were sold out within minutes, Primus sets were 50% sold and "Golden Tickets" 70% sold by 10pm. <ref>https://twitter.com/#!/BotCon/status/155485771095224320</ref> To apologize for the registration's lateness, art turnarounds of Metalhawk's new head were posted online. Those numbers were at 60% and 80% by the following day. <ref>https://twitter.com/#!/BotCon/status/155817892166893569</ref>
* On [[January 18]], [[2012]], Iacon Packages were available for purchase. A few hours later, BotCon's Twitter status stated that 50% of the Iacon Packages were sold. Primus Packages were 85% sold.

==Venue==
[[Image:BotCon2012-dallayshyattregency.jpg|right|thumb|300px|When you're done giggling at the giant you-know-what, you can point out your window to where Kennedy was shot! Hours of fun for the whole family.]]

The Convention Center of the Hyatt Regency Dallas is home to BotCon 2012. It's "one of the city’s most consistent AAA Four Diamond Dallas luxury hotels," full of restaurants and shopping opportunities, and it's smack dab in the middle of downtown Dallas, Texas. This 28-floor hotel is three blocks from the [[John F. Kennedy|JFK]] Memorial and across a parking lot from a giant Playstation Move controller. In the summer, they have AnimeFest there, host to overpriced Pocky, [[Scott McNeil]], and all manner of [[David Willis|unwashed webcartoonists]]. But unlike AnimeFest, BotCon 2012's dealer room probably won't be partially out in the hallways.

The hallways are very extravagant.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===Convention-exclusive toys===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-BC2012Soundwave.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes!]]
'''Transformers: Invasion box set ($340, bagged $250)'''
*''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], a retool of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*''Shattered Glass'' [[Tracks (SG)|Turbo Tracks]], a redeco of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Tracks (G1)|Turbo Tracks]]
*''Shattered Glass'' [[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]], a retool of [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' Classics Series]] [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]
*''Shattered Glass'' [[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]], a retool of ''Transformers'' [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Special Ops Jazz]]
*''Classics'' [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Gigatron]], a retool of [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'']] [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]]
*''Classics'' [[Metalhawk]], a retool of [[Transformers: Generations|''Generations'']] [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]

'''At show souvenir packages'''

'''Customization Exclusive'''

'''Attendee-Only Bonus Exclusive'''

'''Hasbro'''

====Other merchandise====

===Fiction===

==Guests==

===Hall of Fame inductees===

===Voice actors===
*[[Garry Chalk]]
*[[David Kaye]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]
*[[Buster Jones]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]

===Writers===

===Fun Publications===
===Hasbro employees===
===Hasbro Studios employees===
===IDW Publishing comics===
===High Moon Studios & Activision===
===TakaraTomy employees===

===Autobots===
==Events==

===Wednesday===
===Thursday===
===Friday===
===Saturday===

===Sunday===
==Notes==
* BotCon 2012 is the first year to offer the "Golden Ticket" level of registration. For an additional $300, a Primus-level attendee can pick up his box set early, buy souvenirs early (and up to three each), sit in the front row in panels, attend an exclusive meet-and-greet with the convention's invited guests, and receive an additional $2000 in fake money for the Casino Night. These were limited to 75.
* For the first time any unlicensed material touching on Hasbro's IP was officially banned from sale at the convention. This included not only all third-party unlicensed toys but also all fan art of Hasbro characters. As Botcon had specifically advertised tables for fan art sale in a special "artists alley" this was certainly a last minute and likely unwelcome change in policy by Hasbro legal. Fortunately the policy was reversed on fan art, and artists will be allowed to sell their fan art.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[[Category: Conventions]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2012-03-18T08:50:39Z

Terrortron: /* Official evil Autobot toys */

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, '''''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''''' has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line"'s toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official heroic Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

===2012===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]]
*[[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])
*[[Scourge (SG)|Scourge]] ([[Sweep|Timelines Sweep]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*Ravage ([[Tigatron|''Beast Machines'' Tigatron]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official evil Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]
*[[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

{{DEFAULTSORT:Shattered Glass (toyline)}}
[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2012-03-18T08:50:03Z

Terrortron: /* Official heroic Decepticon toys */

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, '''''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''''' has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line"'s toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official heroic Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

===2012===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]]
*[[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])
*[[Scourge (SG)|Scourge]] ([[Sweep|Timelines Sweep]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*Ravage ([[Tigatron|''Beast Machines'' Tigatron]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official evil Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]
*[[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

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Transformers: Generations (toyline)

2012-03-17T10:03:24Z

Terrortron: /* Scout Class toys */

{{disambig3|Generations}}
'''''Transformers: Generations''''' is a line of figures launched in 2010. Like the earlier 2006 ''[[Classics (2006)|Classics]]'' and 2008 [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'']] lines, along with much of the 2010 [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] line, it aims to recreate older Transformers characters as new toys and celebrate the history of the brand. Unlike ''Universe'', there are no series or other indications on the toys' [[packaging]] regarding which [[continuity]] the characters hail from. This seems to follow Hasbro's recent trend of leaving as much of that kind of information as possible up to the imagination of the purchaser. The line consists entirely of Deluxe class toys for, save for some Asian exclusive releases.

The range includes designs from the video game ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' with the ambiguous prefix "Cybertronian".

Early releases advertised for [[The Hub]].

==Toys==
===General retail===
====Wave 1====
[[Image:Generations Drift toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|RETRIBUTION!]]
* [[Bumblebee (Prime)|Cybertronian Bumblebee]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Cybertronian Optimus Prime]]
* [[Drift (G1)|Drift]]
* [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (redeco of ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Gentei! Gentei!]]'' Thrust)

{{note|Toys R Us and online retailers like Entertainment Earth and BigBadToyStore received special cases containing only Cybertronian Optimus Prime and Cybertronian Bumblebee as a promotional tie in for the release of the War for Cybertron video game before the general release of the ''Generations'' toyline.}}

====Wave 2====
[[Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianMegatron.jpg|right|thumb|250px|I'm just a miner.]]
* [[Megatron (Prime)|Cybertronian Megatron]]
* [[Straxus (G1)|Darkmount]]

====Wave 3====
* [[Soundwave (Prime)|Cybertronian Soundwave]]
* [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] (retool of ''Universe'' [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]])

====Wave 4====
* [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (retool/redeco of Drift)
* [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (redeco of ''Gentei! Gentei!'' Dirge)

====Wave 5====
[[Image:Generationstoy-Thunderwing.jpg|right|thumb|250px|And that's when Hasbro ran out of [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie-era]] Decepticons.]]
* [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] (retool/redeco of Cybertronian Bumblebee)
* [[Skullgrin]] (retool/redeco of Darkmount)
* [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]

====Wave 6====
* [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]
* [[Kup (G1)|Sergeant Kup]]

====Wave 7====
[[Image:Generationstoy-Warpath.jpg|right|thumb|250px|That's it, we're done!]]
* [[Thundercracker (G1)/toys|Thundercracker]] (redeco of ''Classics'' [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]])
* [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys|Wheeljack]] (retool of 2010 ''Transformers'' [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]])

====Wave 8====
* [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]]

====Wave 9====
* [[Junkyard (G1)|Junkheap]]
* [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Sky Shadow]] (retool of Thunderwing)

====2012 Wave 1====
[[Image:Generationstoy-Bruticus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|''Generations'' requires constant infusion of video games to survive.]]
* [[Jazz (WFC)|Cybertronian Jazz]] <ref>[[http://www.fullmetalhero.com/content/fmh-live-coverage-uk-toy-fair-2012-2737/ Live coverage of UK Toy Fair 2012]]</ref>
* [[Shockwave (WFC)| Cybertronian Shockwave]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Prime)| Cybertronian Optimus Prime]] (Based on [[Fall of Cybertron]] appearance)
====2012 Wave 2====
* [[Swindle (FOC)| Swindle]]
* [[Vortex (FOC)| Vortex]]
* [[Brawl (WFC)| Brawl]]
* [[Onslaught (WFC)| Onslaught]]
* [[Blast Off (FOC)| Blast Off]]
====2013 Wave 1====
* [[Starscream (Prime)| Cybertronian Starscream]]

===Asian Retail Exclusives===
{{note|The following toys were announced for Asian-only release at CybertronCon 2012. They introduce the first non-Deluxe toys in the line. <ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/transformers-generations--movie-series-asia-exclusives-174569/ Transformers Generations & Movie Series Asia Exclusives].</ref>}}

====Legends Class toys====
* [[Bluestreak (G1)| Bluestreak]] (redeco/retool of ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys| Prowl]] with a rifle.)
* [[Hoist (G1)| Hoist]] (redeco/retool of ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] with a blaster.)
* [[Motormaster (G1)| Motormaster]] (redeco/retool of ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)| Optimus Prime]] with a sword.)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)| Thundercracker]] (redeco/retool of ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] with a blaster.)

====Scout Class toys====
* [[Sandstorm (G1)| Sandstorm]] (redeco/retool of ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)| Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Dune Runner (ROTF)| Dune Runner]])
* [[Laserbeak (G1)| Laserbeak]] (redeco/retool of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Skystalker (ROTF)| Skystalker]])
* [[Dead End (G1)| Dead End]] (redeco/retool of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Brakedown (ROTF)| Brakedown]])
* [[Brawl (G1)| Brawl]] (redeco/retool of ''[[Hunt for the Decepticons]]'' [[Breacher]])

====Deluxe====
* [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (redeco/retool of ''Hunt for the Decepticons'' [[Tomahawk]])
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (redeco/retool of ''[[Prime (toyline)| Prime]]'' First Edition [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]])
* [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (redeco/retool of ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]])
* [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]] (redeco/retool of ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)|Sergeant Kup]])

====Voyager====
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (redeco/retool of ''Prime'' First Edition [[Bulkhead (Prime)| Bulkhead]])
* [[Powerdive|Power Dive]] (redeco/retool of ''Hunt for the Decepticons'' [[Highbrow (TF 2010)| Highbrow]])
* [[Hot Spot (G1)|Hot Spot]] (redeco/retool of ''[[Universe (2008 toyline)]]'' [[Inferno (G1)| Inferno]])
* [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Generation 2 Megatron]] (redeco/retool of ''Revenge of the Fallen'' [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]])

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==Notes==
[[Image:TF2010 deluxe SpecialOpsJazz.jpg|thumb|right|150px||[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|I don't belong here,]] bitches!]]
* Clicking "War For Cybertron Toys" on Hasbro's [http://www2.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm War For Cybertron] webpage brings up the whole "Generations" toyline. Looking for War For Cybertron toys? Here you go.
* Since all the toys in the Generations toyline are Deluxe-sized, the Difficulty Level bar on the front packaging (which indicates how hard it is to convert a toy from mode to mode) now denotes each individual toy's challenge level (Cybertronian Bumblebee, for example, is a Level 4, while Thrust is a Level 2).
* The plastic-coated wire twist-ties, which were normally used to secure a toy in its packaging in past toylines, have been replaced with rattan tie-downs. The paper-based tie-downs are also used in the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] toy line.
* The 2010 ''Transformers'' toy line, particularly the ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' [[subline imprint]], contains several toys with a design aesthetic similar to the Generations line. This led to confusion when fan expectations were contradicted by official Hasbro announcements. In fact, ''Generations'' Wheeljack is a [[retool]] of ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Tracks (G1)|Turbo Tracks]], and ''Generations'' [[Junkyard (G1)#Generations|Junkheap]] is a retool of ''Reveal the Shield'' [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Wreck-Gar]].

==Footnotes==
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Bumblebee (WFC)

2012-03-02T05:53:47Z

Terrortron: /* Bot Shots */

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{{disambig3|Bumblebee}}
:''Bumblebee is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
[[Image:PrimeBee.jpg|thumb|300px|"I don't understand why I sleep all day..."]]
'''Bumblebee''' is a young and eager Autobot, one of the last generation to be created before the loss of the [[AllSpark (Prime)|AllSpark]]. He's full of energy and determination to do the right thing, and can always be counted on to volunteer for action. His small size matched with his impressive speed make him an excellent scout and messenger.

He's been on Earth longer than any other Autobot, and he's grown to like and understand [[human]]s, particularly [[Raf Esquivel]] and [[Axel Frazier]]. If you're a Decepticon and you want to threaten any humans, you better not think you can get away with it just because Bumblebee's small and can't talk: he can't talk because his voicebox was ''destroyed'' in combat and he's still kept fighting, because Bumblebee will take any risk and make whatever sacrifice ''necessary'' to win the war.

{{quote|Bumblebee, it wouldn't kill you to exercise caution.|[[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]]|''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|War for Cybertron]]''}}

==Fiction==
===''Exodus''===
Bumblebee was part of the last generation of Cybertronians that emerged from the [[Well of All Sparks]] after it had stopped producing life in a lull at the beginning of the [[Autobot]]-[[Decepticon]] war. Like all born during the war, he joined the Autobots. He became part of [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]]'s inner circle with [[Jazz (Prime)|Jazz]], [[Ironhide (Prime)|Ironhide]] and [[Prowl (Prime)|Prowl]], and also befriended [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]], learning first aid skills from him in the few battles they fought together.

When Optimus ejected the [[AllSpark]] from the Well into space, Bumblebee distracted [[Megatron (Prime)|Megatron]] at [[Tyger Pax]], and paid the ultimate price when the tyrant destroyed his vocoder. Ratchet repaired it, but Bumblebee was only able to speak from time to time. When Megatron stole the [[Plasma energy|Plasma Energy Chamber]] underneath the [[Autobot High Council|High Council Tower]], Bumblebee followed him to the [[Geosynchronous Energon Bridge]] below the ruins of [[Crystal City]] and witnessed him use it to corrupt Cybertron's [[core]] with [[Dark Energon]].

Bumblebee informed Optimus of what he saw, but first he had to serve as part of the extraction unit in Optimus's rescue of [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]] from [[Kaon]]. Afterwards Optimus, Bumblebee and [[Jetfire (Prime)|Jetfire]] journeyed to the core through the Well. Due to the heavy build up of Dark Energon, Bumblebee found it a distressing experience and lost it when they reached the core, silently tearing out the protruding Corruption Spikes. Though fearful of what would happen, Optimus was able to remove the Chamber and begin Cybertron's healing.

Back at [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], Optimus announced [[Ark (Prime)|Project Generation One]] to evacuate Cybertron, for the planet could not sustain a fraction of the life it currently supported if it were to survive. Bumblebee boarded the ''[[Eight Track (Prime)|Eight Track]]'' with the other elite Autobots and drew out and entered [[Trypticon (Prime)|Trypticon]]. Avoiding Trypticon's corridor drones and [[Minicons]] they blew up the Dark Energon Facility, causing him to crash. Bumblebee boarded the ''Ark'', which flew him and his friends through the last [[space bridge]] to a [[Milky Way|spiral galaxy]] with the AllSpark detected nearby. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus}}

===''Exiles''===

After passing through the unstable [[Space Bridge]], Bumblebee and the Autobots aboard the Ark found themselves in the vicinity of a Cybertronian colony world called [[Velocitron]]. Bumblebee was part of Optimus Prime's initial landing team, who made contact with the planet's rulers, [[Override (Prime)|Override]] and [[Ransack (Prime)|Ransack]]. It was a time of great stress between Velocitron's rulers, and the Autobots' arrival from mythical Cybertron only exacerbated the situation. Although the Autobots secured an ally in Override, they left Velocitron on the brink of civil war during their departure.

The next leg of their journey through the Space Bridge brought the Autobots to fabled [[Junkion]], a world composed entirely of space junk. Bumblebee and the Autobots met [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]] and his ever-busy people, the Junkions, who maintained an entire planet made of derelict ships and space junk that gravitated together over time. Optimus Prime's Matrix-induced visions led him on a quest through one of the four Space Bridge nodes surrounding Junkion, and he selected Bumblebee and [[Silverbolt (WFC)|Silverbolt]] to accompany him. Through the Bridge they came across the lonely tomb of [[Solus Prime]], fabled artifacer of the [[Thirteen]]. Her holographic spirit was called forth by the Matrix and informed the Autobots that the [[Requiem Blaster (Prime)|Requiem Blaster]], most deadly of her creations, rested on Junkion and must be kept out of Decepticon hands.

Returning to Junkion, Bumblebee joined the other Autobots in a struggle with the Decepticons aboard the newly arriving ''Nemesis''. The Requiem Blaster was uncovered inside a ship at the planet's core. A weapon capable of drawing infinite power from nearby stellar sources, the Requiem Blaster had its own gravity field, and had literally been the core around which Junkion's "junk" had formed. The fighting over the Requiem Blaster ripped the planet apart, but both sides eventually called off the melee and abandoned the Blaster after learning the location of the Allspark itself. Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and the rest of the Autobots boarded the Ark and began the long race to reach their civilization's greatest prize before Megatron could. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles}}

===''Prime'' comic===
[[Image:PrimeComicBumblebee.jpg|left|thumb|200px|]]
Bumblebee and Optimus were on [[Earth]] when they detected [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] and [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]]'s arrival and went to their rescue. After Optimus crushed [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]], Bumblebee sent the Decepticon flying with a single punch, and escorted the others back to base. {{storylink|Transformers: Prime (comic)}}
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===''Prime'' cartoon===

[[Image:Predatory-ArceeBeeCliff.jpg|right|thumb|250px|]]
During the Great War, Bumblebee and Cliffjumper invaded [[Airachnid]]'s lair to rescue Arcee and [[Tailgate (Prime)|Tailgate]]. Bumblebee blasted a couple of Vehicons, but they were too late to save Tailgate. They carried Arcee out as she told them she'd been unable to save her partner. {{storylink|Predatory}}

Bumblebee was patrolling a desert area when Optimus ordered everyone back to [[Autobot Outpost Omega One|base]] so that they could use the [[GroundBridge]] to provide Cliffjumper with backup. They did so, but arrived at the battle site too late — Cliffjumper had been taken by the Decepticons, and apparently killed. The Autobots held a brief memorial for their friend.

[[Image:Bumblebee Bulkhead Arcee Darkness Rising 1.jpg|left|thumb|350px|''Voice actor:'' [[Snake-Eyes]] (English)]]

When Arcee and [[Jack Darby]] were pursued by Decepticons, Bumblebee joined in the chase as it moved onto the freeway. After a brief attempt to slow the Decepticons, he joined Arcee in facing the foe in a drainage canal, accidentally crushing a toy car belonging to [[Raf Esquivel|Rafael Esquivel]]. During the fight Bumblebee was knocked to the ground, and only Raf's timely distraction allowed him to temporarily get the better of the Decepticons, until [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] arrived and helped them scare the Decepticons off.

Optimus was disappointed that humans had gotten involved, and had Bumblebee and Arcee bring them back to the base. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 1}} When [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]] detected Cliffjumper's signal, Bumblebee was part of the team that went to try and rescue their comrade. Though he and the others valiantly fought through the multitudes of Decepticons at an energon mine, their mission was ultimately a failure, and they had to return to base hastily as the mine exploded. Prime later assigned him to watch over Raf to keep the boy safe from the Decepticons. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

[[Image:DarknessRising3-BumblebeeArceevehicles.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Drive on the right side of the road, Bumblebee!]]

The next day, Bumblebee discovered that he was a lot better than Raf at computer games, though Raf blamed it on Bumblebee's greater experience in driving. When they reached the base, Optimus and Ratchet left on a mission, placing Arcee in charge. Arcee promptly went out out on patrol, taking Bumblebee with her and leaving Bulkhead in charge. As they drove through the Nevada desert, Bulkhead reported that [[William Fowler|Fowler]] had been abducted by the Decepticons. When it turned out there was no one left at base to bridge them back, Arcee and Bumblebee were forced to drive there. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 3}}

[[Image:DarknessRising4-Bumblebeeshoot.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Sting like a bee = die by fire]]

Bumblebee and Arcee arrived at the Decepticon ship in time to rescue Raf and Jack from a pair of Decepticons. They quickly located Bulkhead and Miko, also moving through the ship, but after it became obvious that the humans were in too much danger as they fought their way through the ship, the Autobots cleared out a room for them to hide out in. They eventually reached the brig where Fowler was being held, and Bumblebee and Bulkhead burst through the main door while Arcee slipped in through a top vent. A standoff ensued, until Fowler distracted Starscream long enough for the Autobots to start firing. Starscream thusly chased off, the Autobots took off with Fowler and rescued the kids on the way out. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 4}}

Once the Autobots had located the whereabouts of the Deepticon [[space bridge]] — Earth orbit — Optimus, Bulkhead, Arcee and Bumblebee used the GroundBridge to reach it. They were spotted by Megatron and Starscream, who sent a force of flying Decepticons to attack them. While they battled, Ratchet determined a way to destroy the space bridge, so Bumblebee, Arcee and Bulkhead went to implement the plan. They committed the necessary act of sabotage before Megatron fired on them. Bumblebee collected Arcee on his way to jumping into the GroundBridge and carried her back to base where she recovered enough to stand on her own. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 5}}

[[Image:Masters&Students-BeeQuake.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Bumblebee comes up with his own version of punch buggy blue.]]
Bumblebee helped Raf with his science project, building a small replica of a volcano while they discussed how Bumblebee had not yet risen to the rank of Warrior. As Optimus pointed out, Bumblebee still had much to learn before he could reach that level. Optimus subsequently picked Bumblebee to go on a mission to investigate Decepticon activity, but warned the smaller Autobot to hold back. When Optimus came to blows with [[Skyquake (Prime)|Skyquake]], Bumblebee decided to disregard the earlier order and charged into battle. Though he was no match for Skyquake, he and Optimus led the Decepticon into a trap and seemed victorious, until Skyquake [[scanning|scanned]] Fowler's jet. Bumblebee managed to end the fight by jumping onto Skyquake's jet form and causing critical damage, jumping to Fowler's jet as Skyquake crashed to the ground. After some repairs, Optimus commended him on his performance. {{storylink|Masters & Students}}

Bulkhead and Bumblebee discovered a strange pod in the [[Arctic]] which they brought back to base. When the kids arrived at base, Bumblebee was keen to play some videogames with Raf, but he and Bulkhead were roped into helping Ratchet repair the GroundBridge, which broke shortly after Optimus and Arcee used it to go to the Arctic. The cause of the problem was revealed when Raf found a [[Scraplet]], which started gnawing on Bumblebee. Raf killed it with a crowbar before it could do much more damage, but Bumblebee ended up having to search the base with Raf for more of the Scraplets. After finding quite a lot of Scraplets, they returned to the control room, where another mass of them overwhelmed Bumblebee, Bulkhead and Ratchet. Though the kids were able to get rid of the attacking Scraplets, Bumblebee was out of it for the rest of the incident, and ended up on a repair bed, being tended to by the kids. {{storylink|Scrapheap (episode)|Scrapheap}}

When [[Wheeljack (Prime)|Wheeljack]] landed on Earth, Bulkhead, Arcee and Bumblebee turned out to welcome him and arrived in time to see him trash some Vehicons. The Autobots celebrated their new friend's arrival, and Bumblebee and Raf danced The Robot to Miko's guitar playing. He also stood around a lot while Bulkhead proved that "Wheeljack" was a Decepticon spy and the real Wheeljack turned up. After everything was resolved, the Autobots had another party to welcome the real Wheeljack, and Bumblebee got to bust out some more dance moves. He and Arcee turned out with Bulkhead to see Wheeljack off when the Autobot returned to space. {{storylink|Con Job}}

[[Image:Convoy-Bumblebeeboxing.jpg|thumb|left|250px|[[Jazz (Movie)|YOU WANT A PIECE OF ME?! YOU WANT A PIECE?!]] And please don't say you want two, because I know you're not Megatron. ]]

Bumblebee took part in the Autobot convoy to transport Fowler's [[Dynamic Nuclear Generation System]] across the US countryside. When [[MECH]] attacked them, he bashed into one of the cars they were using, flipping it over. The Autobots successfully passed the D.N.G.S. over to a train, but were shortly after confronted by a squadron of flying Vehicons, and were forced to return to their robot modes to fight. Bumblebee got to try out some boxing moves on a Vehicon, but while the Autobots were occupied, MECH made another attempt to obtain the D.N.G.S. which was foiled by Optimus. {{storylink|Convoy (episode)|Convoy}}

When an [[Energon Harvester]] was located in a museum, the Autobots surrounded the building while the kids went in to steal it. [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] and [[Breakdown (Prime)|Breakdown]] appeared at the front of the museum to attack Optimus, and as Breakdown charged at the museum, Bumblebee and Arcee attempted to stop him. Bumblebee was hit by a missile, sending him tumbling, and then by Arcee who'd just missed catching another missile. He, Arcee and Prime later attempted to track down the Decepticons before the Harvester could be used, but they ended up coming to Bulkhead's rescue after he found and stopped the Decepticons himself. {{storylink|Deus ex Machina}}

[[Image:SpeedMetal-BBvsBreakdown.jpg|thumb|250px|I want a new dance partner.]]
When Arcee refused to go street racing with Jack, Bumblebee was more receptive, though they asked Raf's permission beforehand. Unfortunately also participating in the race was Knock Out, who started firing on Bumblebee. After calling base and letting them know what was up, Bumblebee used an oil slick to slow down Knock Out, and hid under a bridge. They would have escaped detection had another human, [[Vince]], not confronted Jack about apparently pulling out of the race, and Vince was subsequently captured by Knock Out. After Arcee and Bulkhead arrived, the three Autobots pursued Knock Out to a storage facility, where Bumblebee and Bulkhead were ambushed by Breakdown. They defeated Breakdown and caught up with Knock Out. The other 'Con had already been stopped by Optimus, who was very interested in some explanations. {{storylink|Speed Metal}}

When Optimus was infected with [[Cybonic plague]], Bumblebee and Arcee GroundBridged to the ''Nemesis'' to find a cure. Bumblebee discovered Megatron had survived their last battle and was recovering in sickbay. Unable to find the cure on the Decepticons' computer, Bumblebee offered to use the [[cortical psychic patch]] to enter Megatron's mind and locate it. Finding himself in a [[Kaon]]ian dreamscape, Bumblebee saw Megatron killing Optimus repeatedly. Megatron realized he could not harm Bumblebee and demanded to know why he was intruding on his mind. Bumblebee reminded him of the space bridge explosion and implored him to give him the cure, playing on his desire to kill Optimus for real rather than have him succumb to a virus. Megatron showed him the cure but demanded Bumblebee help him out of his stasis lock. Ratchet was recording what Bumblebee saw though, and because they had the cure, Arcee disconnected Bumblebee and GroundBridged back to base. However, Megatron's spark had left his body and escaped into Bumblebee's... {{storylink|Sick Mind}}

[[Image:OutOfHisHead-evileye.jpg|left|thumb|250px|He is no longer the boy you once knew, [[Obi-Wan Kenobi|Obi-Wan]].]]
Bumblebee began to experience visions of Megatron, causing him to stop dead during a basketball game with Bulkhead. After Megatron forced him to crush one of Ratchet's devices, Bumblebee told Ratchet about the visions, and Ratchet induced a power down to give Bumblebee's mind time to recover. Bumblebee reactivated, under the control of Megatron, and, retrieving a piece of Dark Energon from an old battlefield, bridged to the Decepticon warship over the Arctic. Although Ratchet and Raf tried to stop him, even managing to get Bumblebee to reassert control for a few moments, Bumblebee successfully brought Megatron back online and transferred his mind back to his body. Free of Megatron's influence, Bumblebee beat a hasty retreat with Ratchet and Raf. Later at base, Ratchet checked Bumblebee was completely free of Megatron, and the small Autobot thanked Raf for coming to help him. {{Storylink|Out of His Head}}

After a Dark Energon signature was detected, Optimus took a team including Bumblebee to investigate. They instead found Starscream trying to resurrect Skyquake. During the ensuing conflict, the Autobots discovered their human friends had followed them to the battlefield, and the three kids were caught in a freak GroundBridge accident, causing them to disappear.The Autobots returned to base to try and locate their friends, but it wasn't until Bumblebee suggested trying to ring the kids that they found Miko's cellphone, and the kids were able to send a text to it. Ratchet subsequently engineered a portal to rescue the kids from the other dimension they'd become trapped in. {{storylink|Shadowzone (episode)|Shadowzone}}

When Breakdown was captured by MECH, Bumblebee and the others were more than happy to leave them to it, but Optimus insisted that they rescue the Decepticon to avoid Cybertronian technology falling into MECH hands. The team arrived in [[Kamchatka Peninsula]] and Bumblebee spotted some vehicle tracks, but they opted to follow the energon signal Ratchet had detected instead. After they escaped the bomb that the trace led them to, the team tracked down Bulkhead in time to chase off Starscream and some Vehicons. {{storylink|Operation: Breakdown}}

Arcee and Bumblebee were in the middle of a fight with some Vehicons when Arcee got a call informing her she had to be in Jack's garage ASAP. After checking if Bumblebee could handle it, Arcee left. Evidently he was able to, as he was later in the Autobot base when Jack and Arcee turned up with [[June Darby]]. {{storylink|Crisscross}}

[[Image:Partners-BeepunchesAirachnid.jpg|thumb|250px|Booya!]]
Bumblebee was part of the team that investigated the wreck of a crashed [[Harbinger|Decepticon ship]] and found Airachnid and Starscream. He guarded the bound Starscream while the others decided what to do with the Decepticon. Prime, Bulkhead and Bumblebee went to check out the rear half of the ship, crashed some distance away, and were ambushed by Airachnid who had found an experimental weapon named the [[Immobilizer]]. She froze Prime and Bulkhead, but Bumblebee managed to trick her by kicking up a dust cloud with his guns, and then pretending to be frozen after she fired the Immobilizer into it. Once she turned her back, he crept up and sucker punched her before blasting the Immobilizer. After she fled, Bumblebee went back to find Arcee, and interrupted her when she was about to offline Starscream. They returned the pieces of Immobilizer to base, along with Bulkhead and Optimus, and Ratchet was able to repair the device and unfreeze their comrades. {{storylink|Partners}}

Bumblebee accompanied Prime and Arcee as they tried to retrieve a [[Cybertronian data cylinder]] before the Decepticons did. Ultimately the Decepticons made off with the cylinder, and later Bumblebee listened as Ratchet told them the cylinder's contents had ended up in Bulkhead's brain, though the Autobots were excited to find that the equations being scrawled by Bulkhead were a set of formula for synthetic energon. Unfortunately it later turned out that the data was eating Bulkhead's brain. Bumblebee and Arcee accompanied Optimus on an unsuccessful attempt to get the cylinder back from Megatron, and they ended up fighting a bunch of Vehicons. Later they came to Miko and Bulkhead's aid to save the pair from Knock Out and Breakdown, and were present when Miko managed to rouse the comatose Bulkhead with her guitar. {{storylink|T.M.I.}}

During a mission to stop Knock Out and Breakdown who were transporting energon, Bumblebee, Prime and Bulkhead were separated from Arcee. They caught up to find that Ratchet had already dealt with the Vehicons who'd been attacking Arcee, and they returned to base where Ratchet revealed he'd taken the synthetic energon he'd been working on. Ratchet, amped up on the substance, insisted on going on their next mission, which meant Bumblebee got left at base operating the GroundBridge. The other Autobots returned minus Ratchet, who had gone to tackle Megatron on his own. Once they'd gotten a fix on Ratchet's signal, they left Bumblebee at base again. {{storylink|Stronger, Faster}}

[[Image:PrimeEp23-BumblebeeRaf.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]
Bumblebee was taking Raf to play with Raf's remote-control car when he was called on to join the battle at a military base. Unfortunately Megatron found them before he could drop Raf off, and Bumblebee was hit by a blast from Megatron's cannon. Though Bumblebee himself was mostly unaffected, Raf was gravely injured. Bumblebee arrived at the battle and had to be restrained from attacking Megatron so he and Arcee could take Raf back to base. Bumblebee watched helplessly as Ratchet and June Darby tried to save the boy. At one point, the frustration became too much, and he knocked a chunk out of the wall with his fist, but Arcee talked him down, and eventually Ratchet worked out that an energon infusion would save Raf. Bumblebee gave some of his own energon for the procedure, which was ultimately successful. {{storylink|One Shall Fall}}

After the other Autobots saved Optimus from Megatron, Bumblebee bridged them back to base. June decided to take Raf to the hospital, and didn't intend to bring him back, so Bumblebee had to sadly watch them drive from the base. When it transpired that the Dark Energon volcano was causing global disasters, he went to find June and Raf, and managed to save them from a tornado by grabbing the front end of their car. After he returned to base with them, the assembled Autobots and humans worked out that [[Unicron]] was at the center of the Earth. He and the other Autobots began investigating the sites of the earthquakes Unicron had generated. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

Though Optimus ordered the other Autobots to remain at base, Bumblebee, Arcee and Bulkhead joined him anyway. They fought increasingly larger stone Unicrons, until they encountered a huge one which Bumblebee thought might be the real thing but Prime told him wasn't. He and Bulkhead zoomed behind it to try and blast it, but it knocked them both aside as if they were nothing. To their surprise, help came in the form of Megatron who blasted the giant before it could crush Prime, and offered to help them fight Unicron. When Optimus gave the trio the choice of whether to accompany him and Megatron to Earth's core, Bumblebee opted to go for Raf's sake. He, Arcee and Bulkhead greeted Megatron to the Autobot base by aiming their guns at him. Before long, they stepped through the GroundBridge once again, this time into Earth's core. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 2}}

As they made their way through Unicron's internals, they encountered [[Unicron's antibodies|antibodies]] which aggressively attacked them. When during the fight Bulkhead almost fell to his doom, Bumblebee grabbed his arm and held him long enough for Optimus to help. He, Bulkhead and Arcee remained outside Unicron's spark chamber to hold off the antibodies, but after Unicron's defeat, they entered to find Optimus had lost his memory. The trio had to GroundBridge back to base without their leader. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

The Autobots puzzled over how to get their leader back but made little progress. When Fowler warned them of an attack on a military base, Bumblebee, Bulkhead and Arcee went to try and deal with it, but Knock Out and Breakdown succeeded in getting away with the power source they needed. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 1}}

{{spoiler|Orion Pax, Part 2|March 3, 2012}}
Bumblebee and the others fruitlessly searched for the space bridge.until the breakthrough came in the form of information from Starscream. Using said information, the Autobots stormed the mine containing the space bridge and secured it so they could send Jack and Arcee through to Cybertron. {{storylink|Orion Pax, Part 2}}
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===Titan Magazines ''Prime'' comics===
Bumblebee took part in the testing of Ratchet's newly developed [[Safe]]. After Bulkhead uncovered a nuke which attracted the attention of some Vehicons, Bumblebee, Optimus and Arcee went out to deal with the 'Cons. As Bumblebee knocked the Vehicons into the air, Optimus and Arcee blasted them, though Bumblebee was less than happy with the arrangement as he wanted to get to shoot them. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.1|The Safe and the Failsafe}} Optimus took the other Autobots, including Bumblebee, on a trip to [[Valley of Fire State Park]]. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.2|War Story}}

Bumblebee was playing video games with Raf when Fowler reported that the Decepticons had commandeered a [[Yamal|nuclear-powered ship]] near [[Antarctica]]. Optimus, Bumblebee and Ratchet GroundBridged to the ship, but on arrival Ratchet was knocked out by Starscream's [[static lance]]. Bumblebee attacked the Decepticon, dodging a swipe of the lance and then delivering a kick. Once he had possession of the lance, Bumblebee threw it to Optimus, who used it to defeat Megatron. After guiding the ship to its destination, the trio returned to base, which had been turned into an ice rink for some reason. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.3|Ice Breaker}}

Raf and Bumblebee stopped off at [[Plug and Play]] to pick up Raf's copy of ''[[Invasionauts II]]''. Later at the base, Bumblebee found that Raf had let a bunch of Vehicons into the base, and was about to shut the [[GroundBridge]] down, when Raf stopped him. Raf, who had been temporarily hypnotised by the game, instead shut the bridge down in a way that sucked the remaining Vehicons back through and kept the location of the base concealed from the enemy. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.4|Tinker, Tailor, Gamer, Spy!}}

{{spoiler|Transformers Comic issue 4.6|March 29, 2012}}
After the [[President of the United States]] was kidnapped, the Autobots traced the culprit, Starscream, to the [[Grand Canyon]]. Bumblebee and Arcee teamed up to take out the cannons manned by Vehicons that Starscream had brought along. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 4.6|All the President's 'Bots!}}

==Games==
===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)===
:''Voice actor'': [[Johnny Yong Bosch]] (English), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian)

[[Image:WfC-IGN-Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|The time has come and so have I... I'll laugh last 'cause you came to die.]]
During the Decepticons siege of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon City]], Bumblebee volunteered to be a message courier when communications became unreliable. Bumblebee was searching for the one called [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus]] when he was caught by a pair of Decepticons, only to be saved by Optimus and [[Ratchet (Prime)|Ratchet]]. Informing Optimus of the death of [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Zeta Prime]], Bumblebee accompanied Optimus and Ratchet to a command center where they were contacted by [[Jetfire (Prime)|Jetfire]], who was leading the aerial counterattack and wanted Zeta to activate the [[planetary gun]]s. After informing Jetfire of Prime's death, Bumblebee helped Optimus and Ratchet make their way to the orbital defenses control room, where they activated the guns. Their next stop was the [[Decagon]], where they could reestablish communications and coordinate Iacon's defense. They hit serious Decepticon resistance, including several [[Decepticon war machine]]s, but ultimately, with help from Jetfire and [[Ironhide (Prime)|Ironhide]], the three made their way to the Decagon, where they faced the last obstacle: [[Air Commander|Sky Commander]] [[Starscream (Prime)|Starscream]]. Beating the traitorous Seeker, Bumblebee witnessed a desperate communication from Zeta Prime, who was being held in the [[Kaon]] [[Kaon Prison Complex|Prison Complex]]. Optimus resolved to rescue Zeta, and Bumblebee accompanied him.

[[Image:WFC_Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|200px|"Autobots... [[Johnny Yong Bosch|It's Morphin' Time?"]]]]
Bumblebee, Optimus, and [[Sideswipe (Prime)|Sideswipe]] allowed themselves to be captured raiding supplies outside Kaon, and taken to the prison within the city. [[Soundwave (Prime)|Soundwave]] ordered them taken to recycling. Bumblebee didn't think that sounded bad, until Sideswipe told him to consider ''what'' they were recycling. As they made their way through the prison, Bumblebee's horror grew, until he was in a near panic when they placed against the firing wall. Fortunately, [[Air Raid (Prime)|Air Raid]] finally arrived and killed the [[Heavy Soldier]]s about to execute them. Air Raid was forced to let himself be captured to let the others escape. Finally finding some weapons, the three made their way to a [[wall crawler]] and descended into the prison. Bumblebee asked if this was good or bad, and Optimus replied that it was purely a matter of perspective, while Sideswipe said he was enjoying himself. Soon, they reached a room where Megatron revealed that he had allowed Zeta's message to be broadcast simply to lure Optimus into a trap. After they fought off some Decepticons, Megatron simply teleported them to a prison cell without their weapons. Fortunately, Optimus managed to break the wall with his axe, freeing them. Optimus then explained he could not open the other prisoners' cells, despite Bumblebee's pleas. Heading to retrieve Air Raid, the three Autobots rescued the flier, who took them to the control which would open all the prison's hard locks. Unfortunately, Zeta was trapped under the facility, so the control wouldn't release him. While Air Raid took the freed Autobots back to Iacon, Bumblebee accompanied Optimus and Sideswipe underground to free Zeta, racing through the caverns as the Decepticons blew out the ground. Reaching Zeta Prime's cell, Optimus, Bumblebee, and Sideswipe had to fight through Soundwave's minions to rescue the Autobot leader, but Soundwave stole some of Zeta's life energy and fled, killing the Prime. Taking his body back to Iacon, Bumblebee and Sideswipe bore witness to the [[Autobot High Council]] declaring that Optimus was now Optimus [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], leader of the Autobots.

During the evacuation of Cybertron, Megatron used Trypticon Station to fire on the Autobots' escape pods. After the Aerialbots destroyed Trypticon's conversion cog and sent him plummeting to the planet's surface, Bumblebee accompanied Optimus Prime and Ironhide to look for the crash site. Once Trypticon was found to still function, Bumblebee assisted in fighting him, overloading his shoulder cannons with energon batteries and destroying his heat vents. After greatly damaging Trypticon, Oprimus Prime declared Trypticon had lost and knocked him into an energon lake with his axe. Afterward, Bumblebee was present at the unveiling of the Ark, where he reminded Optimus Prime that Megatron was "still out there". {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (360/PS3/PC)|Transformers: War for Cybertron}}
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===''Transformers: War for Cybertron'' (DS)===
:''Voice actor:'' Johnny Yong Bosch (English)
{{quote|Watch out, Decepticons! I'm kinda a big deal!|Bumblebee, making you glad he can't talk in the cartoon.}}
[[Image:WFCDS Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|89px|Small, but noisy.]]
When a distress call from Zeta Prime was received by the Autobots, they sent Bumblebee to find Optimus so they could repair the communications system. Bumblebee and Optimus were seen battling Decepticons together by an Autobot rookie when he arrived at the Autobot base. When Optimus was later disabled by [[laser guard]]s, Bumblebee was instrumental in reviving him, and helped him defeat [[Dirge (WFC)|Dirge]]. After the Autobots retook [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], Bumblebee exploded verbally at Ironhide, complaining that they'd already lost the war. Optimus told him that that attitude was just what Megatron wanted.

Prime's transmissions led the Autobots to infiltrate Kaon Prison, a place Bumblebee found terrifying to the point where Ironhide had to try and calm him and Optimus told them both to quiet down. They eventually found Zeta Prime, in time for their leader to expire. After Optimus was made the new Prime, the Autobots tried to enlist the help of [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (WFC)|Swoop]]. Bumblebee slyly goaded Grimlock into challenging Optimus to a contest, however instead the Autobots ended up rescuing Swoop who'd been kidnapped by the Decepticons. The Autobots were forced to venture down to Cybertron's core to disable the Dark Energon corruptors, so that Cybertron's core could begin repairing itself, however the planet was left unable to sustain Transformer life.

As the Autobots began to evacuate in arks, Trypticon station began firing on them. Optimus prepared to take a team to the station to attack it from the inside, and Bumblebee was the first to volunteer to go along. They infiltrated the station and destroyed its power core, causing it to plunge from orbit. To the Autobots' surprise, the station transformed into a monster which Bumblebee found terrifying, but he still took part in the battle to destroy it. {{storylink|Transformers: War for Cybertron (DS)}}

===''Transformers: Cybertron Adventures''===
:''Voice actor'': Johnny Yong Bosch (English), [[Renato Novara]] (Italian)

In order to find out more about "Trypticon", Bumblebee and Ironhide were ordered to infiltrate a Decepticon datacore and extract the info stored inside it. Looking for a back way in, Ironhide uncovered a transit shaft, but it was too small for him to reconnoiter. Splitting up, Bumblebee took the shaft while Ironhide circled around to find another way in. Inside the datacore, they retrieved the intel on Trypticon, but were unable to escape without being noticed. The ruckus they raised in Kaon caught Megatron's attempt, and he arrived to fell both Autobots before they made it out of the city-state. Megatron subjected Bumblebee to a neural scanner to forcibly extract Autobot secrets from his mind. Bumblebee struggled to resist the scanner, but still unwillingly gave up some intel before Ironhide broke them both free. They eventually made it out of Kaon in one piece, thanks in part to the air support provided by Air Raid.

After the power supply was cut off to Trypticon from the Geosynchronous Energy Bridge, the Autobots began to prep supplies for their evacuation of the planet. On one such supply convoy, Bumblebee ran defensive reconnaissance to protect the convoy from Decepticon attack. Bumblebee blamed himself for allowing the decepticons to access his mind using the neural scanner, and was extra dedicated to the mission in his effort to redeem himself, even if only in his own eyes. He uncovered an ambush plot on the roadway, and alerted Optimus to the threat. Taking point, he intervened on several other ambush attempts along the way.

After Trypticon Station fell to Cybertron's surface and revealed itself as a gi-normous transforming creature, Bumblebee joined Optimus Prime and Ironhide in racing to the crash site to finish him off. They were separated during the journey, and had to fight through multiple Decepticon vanguards before even reaching Trypticon. Eventually, it was the combined firepower and teamwork of the Autobot forces that brought down the dangerous dinosaur. {{storylink|Transformers: Cybertron Adventures}}
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===''Transformers: Fall of Cybertron''===

[[Image:FOC-GameInformerPrimeBumblebee.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Oh my God, they killed Kenny! You bastards!]]
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{{storylink|Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|Fall of Cybertron}}
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==Toys==
===Generations===
[[Image:Generationstoy-CybertronianBumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|He stars in ''Tron 3.0.'']]
*'''Cybertronian Bumblebee''' (Deluxe Class, 2010)
:*''Accessories: '' handgun
: Based on his appearance in ''War for Cybertron'', Bumblebee transforms from a yellow and black robot into a "Cybertronian courier mode." His toy comes with a handgun and features two wrist-mounted flip-out blades. The handgun (described in the packaging only as "weapon") can be stored inside his rear bumper in either robot or vehicle mode. Bumblebee's head appears to have [[Light-piping]]. However his eyes are painted over in blue, thus rendering the gimmick neutered. Due to the nature of his design, his legs are generally loose at the mid-thigh transformation joint.
:Bumblebee is part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Generations|Generations]]'' Deluxes, but he and Cybertronian [[Optimus Prime (Prime)|Optimus Prime]] shipped ahead of their two other wavemates in the United States via [[Toys"R"Us]].

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#United|Bumblebee Cybertron Mode]] and [[retool]]ed into ''Generations'' [[Cliffjumper (Prime)|Cliffjumper]] and ''United'' [[Cliffjumper (G1)#United|Cliffjumper Cybertron Mode]]. In fact, Bumblebee's instructions depict him with Cliffjumper's head, revealing the retool before it was officially announced.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2010/Autobot/GenerationsBumblebee/bumblebee.htm More information on Cybertronian Bumblebee at TFU.info]''
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[Image:TRURageOverCybertronCybertronianBumblebee.jpg|thumb|300px|The Grid. A digital frontier. I tried to picture clusters of information as they moved through the computer.]]
*'''Rage over Cybertron''' (Multipack, 2011)
:*''Accessories'': handgun

:A [[redeco]] of Cybertronian Bumblebee with most of the original version's black plastic changed to gray, clear blue headlights and rims, a red tint for the windows, most of the red paint details changed to blue and additional blue circuitry paint details resembling the "overshield" effect from the ''War for Cybertron'' game, available in a [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] three-pack with redecos of Cybertronian Optimus Prime and Cybertronian Megatron.
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===Prime: First Edition===
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[[Image:NYCC-Arcee-Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee and Arcee, Includes Raf Esquivel and Jack Darby''' (NYCC 2011 exclusive)
:[[Bumblebee (Prime)|Bumblebee]] is a [[redeco]] of Deluxe Class Bumblebee (see below) as a New York taxicab and comes with a pink [[Arcee (Prime)|Arcee]] and NY-themed [[Jack Darby]] and [[Raf Esquivel]] figurines. They were sold exclusively at New York Comic-Con 2011.
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[[Image:Primetoy-BumblebeeDeluxe.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Pirates radio clips ''and'' Jazz's transformation scheme.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' ("First Edition" Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Number:'' '''001'''
**''Accessories:'' Arm-mounted weapon, stand

: Part of the first wave of "First Edition" ''Prime'' figures, this Deluxe-sized incarnation of Bumblebee transforms into a yellow muscle car. An arm-mounted blaster can be pegged into either of his forearms or stowed underneath the vehicle mode. As with other "First Edition" ''Prime'' figures, he comes with a cardboard display stand which sits at the bottom of the packaging.
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===Prime===

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[[Image:PrimeRIDtoy-BumblebeeDeluxe.jpg|right|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Deluxe, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' 2 arm-mounted weapons
: Part of the first wave of "Robots in Disguise" ''Prime'' figures, this is an entirely-new Deluxe Class Bumblebee figure, apart from the "First Edition" version. More of the vehicle's roof is stored on the back of the robot, and the transformation has a "dramatic head reveal." Two weapons are now included, and they can combine to form a larger cannon. The front section features an automorph gimmick, with the shoulders geared together with the head and the top of the hood folding up into Bumblebee's chest when pushed into place. The Japanese release uses a metallic gold plastic, while the American version uses a basic yellow.

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[[Image:Cyberverse_legion_bb.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Cyberverse Legion, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Gun
: Part of the first wave of ''Prime'' [[Cyberverse]] Legion Class toys, Bumblebee transforms from muscle car to robot and back. His blaster is made of rubbery translucent pink plastic and has connection points so that it can be combined with other Cyberverse weapons. Likewise, his vehicle mode has multiple pegholes for Cyberverse weapon mounting.

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*'''Starscream vs. Bumblebee''' (2012)

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[[Image:Transformers-Prime-Weaponizers-Bumblebee.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Eight, count 'em eight wheels.]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (Weaponizer, 2012)
**''Accessories:''

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*'''Bumblebee Sword''' (Micron, 2012)

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===Rescue Bots===
[[Image:RescueBots Bumblebee toy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Dear God, [[Bumblebee (Movie)|they're]] [[Bumblebee (Animated)|crossbreeding!]]]]
*'''Bumblebee''' (2011)
:Bumblebee transforms into a yellow muscle car which presumably can be used by the humans in the rescue team to speed to problem sites, while staying within the speed limit, of course. Tugging either end of the vehicle will [[autotransformation|autotransform]] him back into robot mode.
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[[Image:RescueBots Garage Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Bumblebee enjoys hiding underneath cars that look like him.]]
*'''Bumblebee Rescue Garage''' (2011)
**''Accessories:'' Bumblebee, Axel Frazier
:The [[Bumblebee Rescue Garage]] comes with a smaller Bumblebee toy not unlike an [[Robot Powered Machines|RPM]] or [[Speed Stars]] toy in function. Standing the vehicle on end reveals Bumblebee's robot mode embossed on its underside. The back of Bumblebee's car mode also has a cavity in which the included Axel Frazier figure can ride.
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===Bot Shots===
*'''Bumblebee''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''110'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''630'''
***''Sword strength'': '''970'''

:Part of the first wave of ''[[Bot Shots]]'', Bumblebee is a teeny little sports car ''vaguely'' like a Camaro with a spring-loaded automatic transformation to robot mode triggered when his front bumper is pressed. He has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. He is heavily based on the [[Bumblebee (Movie)|live-action movie Bumblebee]], with his head based on the ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' version of [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[Bumblebee (G1)#Classics|Bumblebee]].

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*'''Bumblebee''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': ''' Super Bot 002'''
***''Fist strength'': '''???'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''???'''
***''Sword strength'': '''???'''

:Released in the second wave, this version of Bumblebee is cast in clear-orangey-yellow plastics with minimal paint. As this wave's Super Bot, he has higher than normal stats, but is [[shortpacking|shortpacked]].

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*'''Sentinel Prime / Prowl / Bumblebee''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BP001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''765'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''530'''
***''Sword strength'': '''325'''

: This version of Bumblebee was only available in a three-pack with [[Prowl (Prime)#Bot Shots|Prowl]] and [[Sentinel Zeta Prime#Bot Shots|Sentinel Prime]]. While similar to the first-wave release, this version has light gray tires and a little extra paint on his chest, but none on his arms.

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*'''Battle for the Matrix''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''???'''
***''Fist strength'': '''???'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''???'''
***''Sword strength'': '''???'''

: Part of a large multi-pack, it is unknown at this time what differences —if any—there are between this and the prior versions of Bumblebee.

: The set also comes with [[Megatron (Prime)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Megatron with his launcher]], [[Brawl (WFC)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Brawl]], and [[Optimus Prime (Prime)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Optimus Prime]], as well as a [[Matrix]] prize.

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==Merchandise==
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*'''Bumblebee Ion Blaster''' (2012)

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==Notes==
* [[Alex Irvine]] wrote the short story ''[[Bumblebee at Tyger Pax]]'', expanding on how Bumblebee lost his vocoder in ''Exodus''.
* [[Jeff Kline]] said why Bumblebee lost his voice will be revealed in season two of ''Prime'',<ref>[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ Collider interview]</ref> though [[Duane Capizzi]] broke the suspense when he said it would be for the same reason as ''Exodus''.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-prime-39/bonus-q--a-with-transformers-prime-creators---answered-171430/ TFW Q&A]</ref>
*In the end credits for WFC, Bee drives up, and '''HALF''' of the Autobots get out. Weird.
* Bumblebee's [[license plate]] in "[[Speed Metal]]" is "'''936 SOH'''".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Bumblebee''' (バンブルビー ''Banburubī'')

==References==
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[[Category:Bot Shots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame]]
[[Category:Prime Autobots]]
[[Category:Prime Mini-Cons]]
[[Category:Rescue Bots Autobots]]
[[Category:Scouts]]
[[Category:Spies]]
[[Category:Transformers (2010) Autobots]]
[[Category:War for Cybertron Autobots]]

MediaWiki:TFWiki.net 2012 Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions/Entries

2012-02-27T00:05:00Z

Terrortron:

This is the page for the '''TFWiki.net Transformers Hall of Fame Auditions''' entries. The rules are as follows:

#You must pick your top five ''Transformers'' characters, from any era. They must actually '''be''' Transformers; sorry, but no humans, non-Transformer aliens, non-Transformer robots, or anything else of the sort are being considered for the Hall of Fame. Any votes for such entities will '''not''' be tabulated. It is the sole discretion of the contest organizers to decide what does and does not count.
#Take your top five list and '''put it in alphabetical order'''. Order of preference does not matter. Feel free to denote the character's franchise of origin, although these distinctions may or may not figure into the final results.
#You '''cannot''' vote for a specific version of Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, Megatron, Starscream, Dinobot, Ironhide, Ratchet, Soundwave, or Waspinator. They've already been inducted!
##You '''also''' can't vote for '''Grimlock, Jazz or Shockwave'''. They're being automatically inducted this year!
#'''However, you CAN vote for ''[[Beast Wars (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] or [[Optimus Primal]]! Hasbro considers them separate!'''
#Only one entry per user.

Please put your characters of choice and user name below in the following manner:

*Bulkhead, Emirate Xaaron, Side Swipe, Terrorsaur (BW), X-Brawn --(four tildes)

Poll entry period ends at 3pm on '''[[March 1]], 2012'''. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 12:25, 23 February 2012 (EST)

==Poll entries==


*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Blaster, Perceptor, Rumble --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:32, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Barricade, Devastator, Laserbeak, Ravage, Sideways --[[User:LV|LV]] 12:34, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bluestreak, Hot Rod, Rattrap, Ravage, Wheeljack --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 12:41, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Hot Rod, Ratbat, Ravage, Skywarp--[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 12:44, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Barricade, Bulkhead, Rattrap, Sideways, Sky-Byte [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:58, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blaster, Hot Rod, Perceptor, Scorponok, Wheeljack {{unsigned|84.13.39.130}}
*Demolishor, Megatron (BW), Scorponok, Sideways, Sky-Byte. [[User:Rayqui|Rayqui]] 13:14, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cyclonus, Hot Rod, Jetfire, Kup, Rhinox - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:21, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Kup, Prowl (G1), Scorponok (G1), Sunstreaker, Swindle --[[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 13:32, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Hot Rod, Megatron (BW), Swindle --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:41, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage, Unicron --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 13:47, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rampage (BW), Sky-Byte [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:54, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Megatron (BW), Minerva (Masterforce), Optimus Primal, Rattrap, Rhinox {{unsigned|50.10.61.121}}
*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Laserbeak, Prowl, Sky-Byte --[[User:Boy Blunderous|Boy Blunderous]] 14:07, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blades, Hot Rod, Kup, Megatron (BW), Smokescreen --[[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 14:11, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bruticus, Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Skywarp, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Starfield|Starﬁeld]] 14:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Blackarachnia, Bulkhead, Rhinox, Sky-Byte --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:22, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cliffjumper, Cyclonus, Prowl, Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack --[[User:AutoUIMagnus299|AutoUIMagnus299]] 14:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Hot Rod, Jetfire, Omega Supreme, Prowl --[[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:57, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Depth Charge, Quickstrike, Rattrap, Rhinox, Wreck-Gar --[[User:Femmes Rule!|Femmes Rule!]] 15:01, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Prowl, Rodimus Prime, Scorponok, Springer, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Magaroja|Magaroja]] 15:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Hot Spot, Quickmix, Searchlight, Silverbolt, Steeljaw --[[User:Ironhold|Ironhold]] 15:35, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Astrotrain, Bruticus, Rumble, Skywarp, Thundercracker --[[User:crown of starscream|crown of starscream]] 16:02, 23 Febuary 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Ravage, Sky-Byte --[[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 15:36, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Paddles, Piano Transformer Guy, Scrounge, Silverbolt (BW)--[[Special:Contributions/184.56.30.163|184.56.30.163]] 15:40, 23 February 2012 (EST))
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*Blitzwing (Animated), Ironfist, Straxus, Ultra Magnus, Wreck-Gar --[[User:HunterCham|HunterCham]] 16:02, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Jetstorm (BM), Lugnut (Animated), Megatron (BW/BM), Optimus Primal, Roadbuster.--[[Special:Contributions/96.237.141.219|96.237.141.219]] 16:31, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Cliffjumper, Fortress Maximus, Optimus Primal, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Spydersix|Spydersix]] 16:36, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Cliffjumper, Jetfire, Prowl [[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 16:37, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Laserbeak (DOTM), Megatron (BW), Ravage, Unicron. [[Special:Contributions/95.151.0.33|95.151.0.33]] 17:04, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Fortress Maximus, Ginrai, Prowl, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] 17:06, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Impactor, Ironfist, Overlord, Straxus, Tarantulas --[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 18:25, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Bulkhead, Lugnut, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Sunstorm --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:34, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Blurr, Rattrap, Tarantulas, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Russellestate|Russellestate]] 19:02, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Inferno (BW), Rampage (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle --[[Special:Contributions/72.187.230.66|72.187.230.66]] 19:08, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Megatron (BW), Nightbeat, Sentinel Prime (Animated), Sky-Byte, Thunderwing--[[Special:Contributions/74.110.211.53|74.110.211.53]] 19:24, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Laserbeak(G1), Optimus Primal, Predaking, Primus, Ultra Magnus (G1).If combiners count.If not then Warpath--[[User:Gamemaster|Gamemaster]] 7:53, 23 February 2012
*Rampage (BW), Rattrap, Scorponok (BW), Tarantualas (BW), Terrorsaur (BW) [[User:Stevo|Stevo]] 19:57, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cheetor (Beast Era), Ginrai, Megatron (Beast Era), Optimus Primal, Thunderwing --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 20:03, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bluestreak, Chromia, First Aid, Prowl, Ravage--[[User:al_cielo|al_cielo]] 20:02, 23 February 2012
*Jetfire, Landmine, Sky lynx, Smokescreen, Swoop--[[User:Wwelord|Wwelord]] 20:08, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Botanica (both BW and Animated), Firestar, Moonracer, Perceptor (Animated), Slipstream (Animated). If Botanica doesn't count, put Chromia in her place. --[[User:Firestar_of_Kalis|Firestar_of_Kalis]] 15:22, 23 February 2012 (HST)
*[[Blackarachnia]], [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]], [[Scourge (RID)|Scourge]], [[Sentinel Prime (DOTM)|Sentinel Prime]] -- [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] [[User talk:Queso|Complain here]] 20:42, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Wheeljack. ----[[Special:Contributions/71.17.207.182|71.17.207.182]] 20:59, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Skybyte --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:59, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*[[Barricade]], [[Bulkhead]], [[Hot Rod]], [[Megatron (BW)]], [[Rattrap]] -- [[User:Awa64|Awa64]] 02:34, 25 February 2012 (EST)
* Arcee, Bulkhead, Optimus Primal, Ironhide, Sky-byte --(Dinobotairfeather)
*Jetfire, Megatron(BW), Rampage(BW), Sari Sumdac(She counts), Sentinel Prime [[User:DinoFreakUSA|DinoFreakUSA]] 21:52, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead (Prime), Prowl (G1), Thundercracker (G1 and Cybertron), Ultra Magnus (RID), Wheeljack (G1) --[[Special:Contributions/68.147.45.66|68.147.45.66]] 22:19, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Cyclonus (G1), Galvatron (G1), Rampage (BW), Silverbolt (BW), Sky-Byte --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:34, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*[[Arcee]], [[Blackarachnia]], [[Firestar]], [[Moonracer]], [[Sunstreaker]] --[[User:Metroplex|Metroplex]] 22:35, 23 February 2012 (EST)
* Bombshell (G1), Cyclonus (G1), Demolishor (Armada), Scourge (RID), Swerve (G1) --[[User:Thunderweb|Thunderweb]] 23:17, 23 February 2012 (EST)
*Brawn (G1), Megatron (BW), Ravage (SG), Sunstorm (G1), Ultra Magnus (G1) {{unsigned|74.37.238.167}}
*[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]], [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 00:47, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Barricade, BlackArachnia, Thunderwing, Wheeljack, Wreck-Gar[[Special:Contributions/70.34.147.3|70.34.147.3]] 01:11, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Lugnut, Rotorstorm, Sixshot, Swindle, Wheeljack --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 01:36, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Prowl, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack {{unsigned|N2977R}}
*Bludgeon (G1), Megatron (Beast Wars), Scorponok (G1), Thunderwing (G1), Unicron -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 04:19, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Kup, Rattrap, Wreck-Gar --[[User:Cr85747|Cr85747]] 4:47, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Omega Supreme, Overlord, Ratbat, Sideways, Sky-Byte - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:25, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Blades, Cliffjumper, Hot Shot, Rampage(BW), Thundercracker [[User:Wasp-shot23|Wasp-shot23]] 06:53, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Astrotrain (G1), Blitzwing (G1), Bombshell, Laserbeak (G1), Rumble (G1) --[[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 09:26, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Cosmos, Ironfist, Repugnus, Swerve, Tailgate -- JediFlaherty 11:50, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Cheetor, Devastator, Ravage, Sky-Byte -- [[User:Rav|Rav]] 14:51, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Laserbeak, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle - [[User:RolonBolon|RolonBolon]] 16:25, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Bonecrusher, Devastator, Leadfoot, Roadbuster, Sky-Byte --[[User:Atomic Horse|Atomic Horse]] 17:47, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Devastator, Megatron (BW), Omega Supreme, Rattrap --[[User:Endgame|Endgame]] 18:05, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee(g1),Blitzwing(g1/animated),Bulkhead(animated/prime),Cyclonus(g1),Predaking(g1)--[[User:Bardock12|Bardock12]] 18:11, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Bludgeon, Overlord, Prowl, Ultra Magnus, Wreck-Gar --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 18:47, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Crosswise, Hotshot, Vehicon (Prime), Wheeljack [[Special:Contributions/74.90.6.206|74.90.6.206]] 19:06, 24 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Hot Shot, Sky-Byte, Ultra Magnus, Unicron {{unsigned|64.121.173.16}}
*Arcee, Barricade, Ironfist, Prowl, Thundercracker --[[User:TrashTalk|TrashTalk]] 01:33, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
*Alpha Trion, Arcee (Prime), Bulkhead, Prowl (Animated), W heeljack -- [[Special:Contributions/134.161.85.66|134.161.85.66]] 00:18, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Cyclonus, Kup, Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus--[[User:Starscream0625|Starscream0625]] 00:24, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Bomb-Burst (G1), Cosmos, Warpath, Wheelie (G1), Wreck-Gar (G1 and Animated) {{unsigned|115.135.229.16}}
*Cliffjumper, Cyclonus, Hot Rod, Kup, Skywarp {{unsigned|98.132.183.140}}
*Megatron (BW), Nightbeat, Rattrap, Skullgrin, Springer - [[User:Danja|Danja]] 10:56, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Bulkhead, Kup, Megatron (BW), Rattrap, Sky-Byte --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 11:19, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Blitzwing, Hot Rod, Rattrap, Sky-Byte --[[User:TrentTroop|TrentTroop]] 12:04, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Cyclonus, Galvatron, Megatron (BW), Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus --[[Special:Contributions/50.138.134.40|50.138.134.40]] 12:29, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Hot Shot, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Rodimus, Ultra Magnus --[[User:Amadeus Windfall|Amadeus Windfall]] 12:52, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Hot Rod, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Swindle -- GR
*Blaster, Megatron (BW), Prowl, Ravage, Skids --[[User:Chip|Chip]] 13:50, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee,Blackarachnia,Cliffjumper,Megatron(BW),Straxus---Abdullah
*Prowl, Roadbuster, Springer, Soundwave, Thundercracker --[[User:Shafau|Shafau]] 14:07, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Drift, Laserbeak, Megatron (BW), Thundercracker (G1), Wheeljack. {{unsigned|98.232.210.235}}
*Blurr, Bulkhead, Jetfire, Unicron, Wheeljack --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 14:51, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Broadside, Bulkhead, Jetfire, Megatron (BW), Unicron [[User:ShinRa Actual|ShinRa Actual]] 15:49, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Hot Rod, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte [[User:MrBlud|MrBlud]] 20:19, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Ironhide (movie), Jazz, Megatron (TF:P), Ratchet, Ultra Magnus (G1)--nikikt
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Lockdown, Omega Supreme, Scourge(RiD) -- [[User:Assey|Assey]] 23:20, 25 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Devastator, Scorponok, Wheeljack, Wreck-Gar -- {{unsigned|24.3.231.149}}
*Cyclonus, Hot Rod, Optimus Primal, Sky-Byte, Wheeljack -- [[User:Anguirus]]
*Liokaiser, Metal Hawk, Minerva, Six Shot, Star Saber -- [[user:XenoStryker|XenoStryker]]
*Darkwing, Dreadwind, Impactor, Swindle, Xaaron - [[Special:Contributions/94.195.192.254|94.195.192.254]] 03:46, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Hot Rod, Rattrap, Sky-Byte, Unicron -- [[user:Daith]]
*Bulkhead, Scourge (RiD), Sideways, Sky-Byte, Wheeljack -- [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] 07:46, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Knock Out, Prowl, Skywarp, Sunstreaker, Thundercracker--[[User:TheHappyShark|TheHappyShark]] 09:27, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Megatron (BW), Optimus Primal, Ravage, Shokaract--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:47, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Blackarachnia, Blaster, Guzzle, Megatron (BW), Ravage --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 12:12, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Carnivac, Straxus, Swindle, Under-3, Xaaron [[User:Blueshift|Blueshift]] 12:18, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Rattrap, Ravage, Scorponok, Swoop, Thundercracker {{unsigned|24.21.71.55}}
*Arcee, Bulkhead, Megatron (BW), Sky-Byte, Swindle [[Special:Contributions/75.89.162.254|75.89.162.254]] 15:23, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Black Zarak, Erector, Fortress Maximus, Minerva, Swindle -- Star Sabre James 14:35 February 26, 2012 (CST)
*Fortress Maximus, Minerva, Prowl, Skywarp, Swindle -- Lowlight 14:46 February 26, 2012 (CST)
*Blitzwing, Lockdown, Overlord, Prowl, Wheeljack {{unsigned|Astrotrain85}}
*Bludgeon, Metalhawk, Minerva, Unicron, Thunderclash {{unsigned|Aernaroth}}
*Bulkhead, Cliffjumper, Hot Shot, Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack -- [[User:Thedude|Thedude]] 17:21, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Devastator, Rodimus Prime, Skywarp, Thundercracker, Ultra Magnus -- [[User:PsychoAndy|PsychoAndy]] 18:08, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Jetfire, Optimus Primal, Prowl (G1), Silverbolt (BW), Superion -- [[Pizzle]] 18:20, 26 February 2012 (EST)
*Arcee, Sky-Byte, Star Saber, Swindle, Thundercracker -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 19:05, 26 February 2012 (EST)


[[Category: TFWiki.net]]

Talk:Junkyard (G1)

2012-01-15T20:35:02Z

Terrortron: /* Proposal to move Junkheap to his own page */

==Battle for the Junk Planet==
Awesome as the sight of the guy in "[[Battle on the Junk Planet]]" jumping into the air while bellowing "Hi-Ho Silver" is... it's not the Junkion trader. Same character model, but a different color model. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:13, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm not going to push the subject, but I'm in favour of ignoring the half-colour difference. Wouldn't be the first time we list a character as someone based on the model, even if they have a different colour scheme than they should have. Given that we have Wreck-Gar appearing with two Junkions of those models, I say it's a fair guess it's supposed to be the "Junkion trader". His colours might be worth a note, but conclusively calling him a different character based on the colour of a book that has a few more colour oddities is not what I favour. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 13:59, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

:"It probably ''was'' intended to be... but part of what I'm doing with this article is being ''strict''. This "guy" appears in crowd scenes a ''lot'', and he does have a few common ''alternate'' color schemes used for crowdfill that represent other characters.
:This article tracks this buy, in this color scheme ''only'', not the color-swaps. When you do that, some interesting patterns emerge... like Wreck-Gar talking to him after be brings up Ultra Magnus's body and repairs him-- it really looks like he's congradulating this particular Junkion on his idea/good work. If you throw out that strictness and just use "any instance of this character model," then tracking this guy through the crowd scenes becomes essentially meaningless.
:Besides, the buy in Battle for the Junk planet is colored ''twice''-- and he's colored consistently. Distinct color scheme that's not this guy. (Not to mention that charging boldly into battle like that doesn't fit the Junkion trader... he wasn't even in the front rank of Wreck-gar's war party, and he's gotten his aft handed to him in every fight he's ever been in on-screen. I don't think he's much of a fighter.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:46, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

==Junkion 2==
In putting together entries for Transformers Comic Magazine, have found a clear uncolored sample of the art used for "Junkion 2", as depicted in [[http://www.ntfa.net/universe/english/index.php?act=view&char=Wreck_Gar|Wreck-Gar's Transformers Universe profile]]. Does it make sense to start a fresh entry on this bot? -[[User:fairplaythings]] 15:47, 18 January 2010 (EST)

==Proposal to move Junkheap to his own page==
It's clear that the Universe Junkheap toy started as a Junkyard toy. But between the new helmet, new moustache and new name...he doesn't really have any more connection to the model-sheet "Junkyard" than just about any other Junkion. It kind of feels like we're straining to include him here because we all know he "should" be. But at this point, does the original intent matter more than what we actually got? We don't have the Movie Big Daddy or Crankcase on their G1 pages, after all. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:54, 15 January 2012 (EST)
:Yeah, I'm pretty much in agreement with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:31, 15 January 2012 (EST)
::As much as I'd love a new Junkion page, his bio does make reference to repairing Ultra Magnus, which he did, along with some other dudes. I think this is probably a reference to them being the same character (although that Ratchet stuff makes no sense). --[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 13:04, 15 January 2012 (EST)
:::...what? What exactly prevents Junkheap and Junkyard, as separate characters, from having both repaired Magnus? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:38, 15 January 2012 (EST)
::::Nothing prevents it. It's just I took the reference to mean they were the same character. I suppose he could have been one of the other Junkions helping Magnus, but intent and follow though suggest they are the same. -[[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 15:35, 15 January 2012 (EST)

Talk:Junkyard (G1)

2012-01-15T18:04:18Z

Terrortron: /* Proposal to move Junkheap to his own page */

BotCon 2012

2012-01-09T20:50:25Z

Terrortron: /* Convention-exclusive toys */ bagged set is/was $250

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|date=[[April 26]], [[2012]]
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'''BotCon 2012''' will be held in the Hyatt Regency Dallas in Dallas, Texas from [[April 26]] to [[April 29]], [[2012]].

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==Run-up==
* [[September 7]], [[2011]], BotCon's Twitter feed started hinting at BotCon 2012's exclusive toys. <ref>http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=82117</ref>
* The Diamond-exclusive version of "[[The Stunti-Con Job]]" had a full page ad advertising BotCon 2012, and hinted at the mold of one of its box set toys. <ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/484645-teaser-botcon-2012-rid-more-classics.html</ref>
* On [[December 5]], 2011, the date, location, and hotel for BotCon 2012 were announced.
* On [[December 24]], 2011, the brochure went live.
* On [[December 27]], 2011, "[[BotCon 2012: Figure Reveal!]]" revealed the first images of Gigatron.
* On [[December 30]], 2011, ''Shattered Glass'' Tracks was revealed.
* On [[January 3]], [[2012]], ''Shattered Glass'' Soundwave was revealed.
* On [[January 5]], [[2012]], registration was intended to go up, but required more testing. Instead, ''Shattered Glass'' Treadshot was revealed.
* On [[January 6]], [[2012]], at 6:22pm EST, registration for attending packages went live. Both (larger) customization classes were sold out within minutes, Primus sets were 50% sold and "Golden Tickets" 70% sold by 10pm. <ref>https://twitter.com/#!/BotCon/status/155485771095224320</ref> To apologize for the registration's lateness, art turnarounds of Metalhawk's new head were posted online. Those numbers were at 60% and 80% by the following day. <ref>https://twitter.com/#!/BotCon/status/155817892166893569</ref>

==Venue==
[[Image:BotCon2012-dallayshyattregency.jpg|right|thumb|300px|When you're done giggling at the giant you-know-what, you can point out your window to where Kennedy was shot! Hours of fun for the whole family.]]

The Convention Center of the Hyatt Regency Dallas is home to BotCon 2012. It's "one of the city’s most consistent AAA Four Diamond Dallas luxury hotels," full of restaurants and shopping opportunities, and it's smack dab in the middle of downtown Dallas, Texas. This 28-floor hotel is three blocks from the [[John F. Kennedy|JFK]] Memorial and across a parking lot from a giant Playstation Move controller. In the summer, they have AnimeFest there, host to overpriced Pocky, [[Scott McNeil]], and all manner of [[David Willis|unwashed webcartoonists]]. But unlike AnimeFest, BotCon 2012's dealer room probably won't be partially out in the hallways.

The hallways are very extravagant.
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
===Convention-exclusive toys===
[[Image:Timelinestoy-BC2012Soundwave.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Be excellent to each other... and party on, dudes!]]
'''Transformers: Invasion box set ($340, bagged $250)'''
*''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]], a retool of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*''Shattered Glass'' [[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]], a redeco of [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Tracks (G1)|Turbo Tracks]]
*''Shattered Glass'' [[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]], a retool of [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' Classics Series]] [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]
*''Shattered Glass'' [[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]], a retool of ''Transformers'' [[Jazz (G1)/toys|Special Ops Jazz]]
*''Classics'' [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Gigatron]], a retool of [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|''Revenge of the Fallen'']] [[Bludgeon (ROTF)|Bludgeon]]
*''Classics'' [[Metalhawk]], a retool of [[Transformers: Generations|''Generations'']] [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]

'''At show souvenir packages'''

'''Customization Exclusive'''

'''Attendee-Only Bonus Exclusive'''

'''Hasbro'''

====Other merchandise====

===Fiction===

==Guests==

===Hall of Fame inductees===

===Voice actors===
===Writers===

===Fun Publications===
===Hasbro employees===
===Hasbro Studios employees===
===IDW Publishing comics===
===High Moon Studios & Activision===
===TakaraTomy employees===

===Autobots===
==Events==

===Wednesday===
===Thursday===
===Friday===
===Saturday===

===Sunday===
==Notes==
* BotCon 2012 is the first year to offer the "Golden Ticket" level of registration. For an additional $300, a Primus-level attendee can pick up his box set early, buy souvenirs early (and up to three each), sit in the front row in panels, attend an exclusive meet-and-greet with the convention's invited guests, and receive an additional $2000 in fake money for the Casino Night. These were limited to 75.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[[Category: Conventions]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-12-27T17:10:54Z

Terrortron: /* Official Decepticon toys */ 2012

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[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, '''''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''''' has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line"'s toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

===2012===
*[[Soundwave (SG)|Soundwave]]
*[[Treadshot (SG)|Treadshot]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*Ravage ([[Tigatron|''Beast Machines'' Tigatron]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

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Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-12-27T17:08:25Z

Terrortron: /* Official Autobot toys */

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[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, '''''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Transformers: Shattered Glass]]''''' has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line"'s toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)|Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*Ravage ([[Tigatron|''Beast Machines'' Tigatron]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]
*[[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]]
*[[Tracks (SG)|Tracks]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

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MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2011-12-03T03:47:32Z

Terrortron:

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
 <div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Relicensing:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
 <div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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== Aligned Timeline ==

I'm going to try and take a stab at creating an Aligned timeline that unites everything we know about the franchise(s) so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 09:48, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hello one and all. I'm here representing a newly created Role-Playing forum that is based in the Transformers Universe. We're in the early stages yet, and are looking for people to help get the ball rolling. Since this site seems to lack a dedicated forum (where requests like these would usually be made) and I haven't seen any other way to effectively say my piece in front of a large audience, I thought that posting here was the best way to "advertise" us, as it were. I sincerely apologize if this was the wrong move on our part, or if I've breached protocol at all, but I can assure everyone that our intentions aren't malign. Those interested, please contact me using any of the ways that I have listed on my username page here on this site. I won't tempt fate by linking our website here directly =P

Once again, you all have my sincere greetings, and I hope to hear from you soon. Also, as a side note: the difference in quality between this page and the transformers wikia is amazing. [[User:Rathian Warrior|Rathian Warrior]] 23:50, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if you've crossed any lines, and frankly, you were polite enough about it that it's not a big deal, but you could always buy some ad space if you want to raise awareness of your forum. It's cheap! There's usually a link on every page around the banners, but if you didn't catch it, you can follow this link: [https://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.php?id=25311&type=4 Project Wonderful TFWiki Page]--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:13, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== "Fictional" and "real" categories ==
I think we need to come up with a consistent way to distinguish categories of things that are real and categories of things that have appeared in fiction. So far, we've skimmed the issue by using synonyms, such as [[:Category:Companies|companies]] and [[:Category:Businesses|businesses]], but that doesn't really work for things like [[:Category:Magazines|magazines]], which is already used for real magazines. Currently, we have [[:Category:Fictional books]], [[:Category:Fictional video games]] that consider the fictional entities "different". On the other hand, we have [[:Category:Real-world events by day]] and [[:Category:Real world films]]. We focus more on the fictional aspect of Transformers, so it makes sense to not point out the fictionality in categories, but "real world" sounds awkward to some. Which one should we use? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I thought I'd cheat and see how some of the other fictional Wikis deal with the problem. Three different approaches I saw:
:*[http://tardis.wikia.com/ Doctor Who wiki] has a [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Real_world "Real World" category] for real world stuff and in most cases the categories for real world things are at "Real world X".
:*[http://wookiepedia.org/ Wookiepedia] goes the parenthetical route, with "Books" and "Books (real-world)". Though they also have one or two like "Real world companies".
:*[http://stargate.wikia.com/ Stargate wiki] has "Books" versus "Stargate books" for real world books.
:I kinda like the parenthetical approach that Wookiepedia have taken. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:11, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::I'd favor pointing out the status of both categories, just to make absolutely clear what they are for. The words can be "Fictional" and "Real-world" (I notice both real-world categories use a different spelling. Whichever it's gonna be (if), only one spelling should be used). "Nonfictional" kinda works as an alternative, would "Real-world" be disliked. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:35, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::If we go that route, I think "real-world" should be used, since "real world" is a lot more easier to fix than the other parsing. I like the Wookiepedia approach, but I'm not sure that's enough to change how we already do categories. The idea to label both categories sounds nice, but "Fictional X" seems incongruous with unlabeled categories, such as "weapons", "technology", etc.; considering that our main focus is the fiction, I'm leaning towards only labeling the real stuff. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:02, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it would be advantageous to put a {{tl|disambig2}} at the top, so people could easily go from the fictional to the real world category too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:30, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Yeah, I think I put that on [[:Category:Films]] a while ago. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:57, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Speaking of this, I found we handle [[:Category:Films]] like [[:Category:Real people]], wouldn't this be some, um, confusing? It's just, somehow, reverse? (Except for the fictional films like ''Honoji'') According to the logic of how we handle [[:Category:Real people]], shouldn't we place films like ''40-Year-Old Virgin'' or ''Godzilla'' in the [[:Category:Real world films]]? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Godzilla doesn't go in "Real world films" because it's not a real world ''Transformers'' film. The Transformers is implied in that category name. Presumably we could have a "Real films" category for Godzilla, etc, but I'm not sure it's worth doing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:53, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::We shouldn't use "fictional X" for two reasons. One, there things like [[As the Kitchen Sinks]] that are fictional even within the fictional Transformers universe. Second, the wiki is written in-universe by default and putting [[Big Steve's Used Cars]] in a "fictional businesses" category would kind of break that. Within Transformers fiction, "Big Steve's Used Cars" is not a fictional company, but "As the Kitchen Sinks" is a fictional TV show. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:47, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::In-universe, As the Kitchen Sinks is not a fictional show. It depicts fictional events and fictional people, yes, but the show itself, as a piece of entertainment, is not fictional. I do get your point, as we actually have things like [[Frankenstein]] that are two layers of fiction removed from us. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:18, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::Yes, of course. I meant, in-universe, ''As the Kitchen Sinks'' is a work of fiction, whereas "Big Steve's Used Cars" is a real business that sells real used cars to real people. Have I been saying it wrong all this time? Wasn't ''Buck Rogers'' a fictional TV show? Anyway, it sounds like you got my point. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:14, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Or, judging by the fact categories like "Magazines" in used for magazines in our real life and "Companies" for companies in real life, why not just use "Film" for films (such as DOTM) in real life, while we move current contents in "Films" to "Films in ''Transformers'' fictions"? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::That seems like it would go counter to some of our existing naming schemes. e.g. if we split that out into films by franchise, you'd get "Films in Generation 1" rather than "Generation 1 films". Though admittedly the former title might have the advantage that it's clearer in meaning. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:50, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::I think both are equally ambiguous in their meaning. If we still need to clarify the purpose of the categories, we can always spell it out in the category's introduction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:03, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

== "Transformers: " ==
We talked a bit about adding back "Transformers: " to the titles of articles [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive51#When_to_omit_.22Transformers.22_from_an_article_title|previously]], and the general sentiment was that people were for it or didn't have an issue with it. Does anybody else have any input in this matter? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:34, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I'm okay with this change, but I do have three questions on execution. 1.) Whether or not "Transformers" is followed by a colon seems random in our current system. How will that be handled? 2.) If "Transformers(:)" is going to be added to every relevant page name, then what about all the extra words in the titles of Japanese stuff? 3.) What conseuqneces will this have for categories, lists, storylinks, etc? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:41, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::#I think we've had two consistent rules about that: If the title is some kind of phrase, like "Transformers United", "The Transformers Collection", or "Transformers Animated", then we don't use the colon. If the title is some kind of obvious "title: subtitle" setup ("Transformers: Armada", "Transformers: Prime"), then we use the colon. There's some borderline examples, but I think we can figure them out one by one. Official sources will help with determining colon-status. The other rule seems to apply to only games: If the title has another subtitle, then the first colon is dropped (ex. [[Transformers Prime: Terrorcon Defense]]). I dunno why, but we can add back the colon, I suppose.
::#I guess we add them? We could argue it for ''Victory'', since it was released in English contexts as just "Transformers: Victory".
::#I think we're just going to continue the same in relation to those. The articles will still be sorted by their subtitles in categories. Storylinks I could go either way on, but I think the trend is to drop the main title. I've been doing that for the AAII storylinks to avoid excessively long links. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:49, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I don't see how "Transformers United" and "Transformers Animated" are any different from "Transformers: Prime". To me, all three could fall into either of your groups (phrase vs subtitle) and would prefer colons in all of those cases. Of your examples, only "The Transformers Collection" seems to really belong in the "phrase" group. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:22, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::"United" and "Animated" are adjectives that modify "Transformers" and have official sources that omit the colon. "Transformers Prime" doesn't make sense in that way. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I am not certain about those two "rules" for colons either. They're rather vague and bound to cause arguments and confusion. It needs to be made more obvious whether a colon should be used or not before "Transformers" can be added everywhere (a help page on the matter would also be handy in the future, me thinks).

::::I think that if we would put the cartoon at ''Transformers: Victory'', that would cause confusion with the manga, storypages, toyline and franchises, none of which were ever brought over and should thus not be named such. If moved, the ''Victory'' cartoon should best go to its Japanese name. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* The first rule is mostly there for Transformers Animated, which people will be resistant to moving to have a colon (plus, obvious cases like The Transformers Collection). The second rule I really don't care about and can be tossed (it mostly only concerns the movie series of video games and online games). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Are you suggesting there that Victory articles should be moved to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory"? I'd disagree with that, if so! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:25, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::Why? We can't go around writing out the full names of Western franchises and stuff but not do so for the Japanese stuff. We already have "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" written out for the 1985 & 1986 Japanese franchises, so why not ''Victory''? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:30, 10 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Victory (the cartoon) has been released in the West as "Transformers: Victory", to me that means that the official English name of the franchise ''is'' Transformers: Victory. Yes, we should give the full Japanese title at the beginning of the franchise page but there is no reason to move anything to that name. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:35, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::That was pretty much my reasoning too (also typing out the full name every time we wanted to link to it would be tedious). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:59, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Tying out "(franchise)" every time for everything is more tedious, but we still have it (for... some reason). Ditto long titles like [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers]] and [[Transformers Vault]]'s previous ridiculously long title.
:::::::::But I guess the general principle of "Transformers: " is acceptable to most. I'll start moving the noncontroversial pages (Western comics and cartoons with definite subtitles, etc.) if there's no opposition in the next few hours. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:08, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::Is there a difference between [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering]] and [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Ascending|Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending]]? I must admit, the comma/colon distinction seems kinda arbitrary. Also, these page names seem kind of overlong and stupid, what's wrong with [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Ascending|The Ascending]] and [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]]? It's a Transformers wiki and those are Beast Wars series; prefixing everything we possibly can with "Transformers" is only going to clog up the search box and make editing just that bit more arduous. What were the arguments in favour of this again? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:21, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::That's the formatting used in the indicia. Your complaint about the search box is silly; did you really think typing "Transformers" into it yielded anything useful 99% of the time?
:::::::::::Like it or not, "Transformers: " is the part of the name of many things, and the hoops we have to go through to maintain this silly system of dropping it from article titles has gotten ridiculous and inconsistent. Adding "Transformers: " to article titles, on the other hand, adds ''clarity'' and avoids pointless disambiguation. "The Transformers: Bumblebee" is preferable to "Bumblebee (comic)", "Transformers: Sector 7" to "Sector 7 (comic)", etc. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:44, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::I get that it's useful in some cases, but it just seems like applying the rule across the board means we're overcomplicating the issue. Occam's razor has a lot going for it, and for user-friendliness I'd go for brevity. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 17:11, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::Also on an Occam's razor tip, "Bumblebee (comic)" conveys more information in fewer characters than "Transformers: Bumblebee". I really don't understand why the latter is preferable. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:06, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::::There's something to say for either argument, but as it is, we have proven to be unable to keep to one consistent "Transformers"-as-part-of-the-title policy at least since TFA. And if trying to keep "Transformers" out of the deal doesn't work, we oughta give the alternative a chance. I don't think it necesarilly makes it harder to find anything, as the search box reacts to words even if they are not the first part of a page title. And I want to have the changes in clear perspective before I might suggest deleting a few redirects, so at least for now, searches won't be any harder and we have a consistent policy. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:49, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

I gotta say, I'm hating how this is working in practice. Article titles seem long and ugly to me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:I feel the same, but it seems to be an necessary evil because "Transformers: ***" is a full title? duh. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

::I fear the day someone decides to add full titles to disambiguation suffixes as well, e.g. "Optimus Prime (Transformers Animated)", "Grindor (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen)" etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:43, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

:::That would be silly, and I'm pretty sure most people would oppose it. Putting "Transformers:" in names is a change we'd already been drifting towards for a while with, for instance, the War for Cybertron articles all doing it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:32, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

::::On a related note, it's a pet peeve of mine when a writeup talks about a specific medium related to a franchise but links to the franchise as a whole instead, such as "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] toyline" or "in episode 6 of the [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] cartoon...".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:29, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Would the best solution there be something like "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] [[Cybertron (toyline)|toyline]]"? --[[Special:Contributions/77.99.176.103|77.99.176.103]] 03:32, 29 September 2011 (EDT) (oops, emvee not logged in)
::::::I think linking to the toyline page is sufficent. There's no need for an additional link to the corresponding umbrella franchise. The thought behind this is: "If Joe McRandom sees something that interests him and clicks a link, does he want the link to take him straight to the specific topic or to a more general overview?" I think link targets should always be as specific as necessary. If someone gets interested in a broader overview, he can always go one level up. After all, a link referring to G1 Optimus Prime leads to [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], not to [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)]], either. In the same fashion, toyline pages should deeplink to the specific toy entries on the respective characters' pages (or even their toy pages, if applicable). Like, if Joe McRandom is on the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe (2008 toyline)]] page, sees a "Prowl" toy listed under "Deluxe Class" and wants to read more about that toy, he wants the "Prowl" link to take him straight to [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)]], not to the [[Prowl (G1)|main character page]] where he then has to scroll down to "toys", see that G1 Prowl toys have their separate page, go ''there'', ''then'' scroll down to "Universe (2008)". (It currently links to [[Prowl (G1)/toys]], which is at least halfway there.) I will fix this wherever I see it, and implement it when doing writeups.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:11, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

===Suggestion to creating templates===

Do we need some kinds of templates when typing contents for convenience? For my experience in Terminator Wiki, we use templates like <nowiki>{{T3}} for ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' or {{TSCC}} for ''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connnor Chronicles]]''</nowiki>. What I'm suggesting is that after we make all franchise names into full title (and we don't use redirect links), it is some how trouble some when typing the title. So we can make some templates like:
<pre>
{{tf|Armada}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Transformers: Armada]]''

{{tf|Armada|toyline|Pokeformer}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Pokeformer]]''

{{jptf|bwn}} -> ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo]]''

</pre>

If there is any user who can created complex template, we could make

<pre>
{{tf|armada|t}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Transformers: Armada]]''

parameter 1:
2010 = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (toyline)
thm = Transformers: The Headmasters (toyline)
mf = Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (toyline)
v = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory
z = Transformers: Zone
roc = Transformers: Return of Convoy
oc = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination
armada = Transformers Armada
bwn = Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo
mov = Movie
rotf = Revenge of the Fallen
tfa = Transformers Animated
...and (blah blah)

parameter 2:
*default* - franchise
t - toyline
ct - cartoon
co - comic
m - manga
f - film

And, if possible:
if parameter 3 = s (for example), it will become short title like ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]''

</pre>

--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:42, 24 September 2011 (EDT)

:It's something I've thought about as well. Considering there are a lot of exceptions to the regular naming system (parts of franchises that are called something different or franchises that lack the (franchise) identifier on the wiki because it's not necessary to disambiguate it), I don't think a template can be coded to put a link together. A full list system like our TFtoon templates have could maybe work though. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:08, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::I think with the number of franchises we have, it would end up being a hellishly big template and difficult to maintain for only a minor gain. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:03, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

==="Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" Transformers===
With the insertion of this phrase into the Victory page titles, should it also be inserted into the titles of The Headmasters, Super-God Masterforce, and Zone? now while the immediate answer would be "No", there are some places that do include this text above the "Toransufōmā" text in each of these series's logos. An example of this would the [[Transformers Tapestry]] (which even includes it in the Operation combination logo as well) and the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Columbia_Zone_DVD.jpg Columbia DVD of Zone]. Its inclusion in these places seems more than mere coincidence, so would we take this idea into consideration? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:33, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:Um, that ''Zone'' DVD does not support your assertion. All of the ''actual'' media for those series (except for the Zone manga and story pages) do not include The "Fight!..." portion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:58, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Technically the whole toyline in Japan from 1985 to 1992 was called "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" (as was written on the boxes), so at least the toyline pages for the series of those years would probably need the longer title than just "Transformers: ''X'' (toyline)" --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So you want to move the toyline pages to some made-up name? Pick one: 1) Merge all of the toyline pages to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)" 2) Leave the toyline pages as they are instead of stressing over naming things that technically don't exist. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:23, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
::::How is it "made up"? "Tatakae! Chō Robot Seimeitai" means "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" and is written above the "Toransufōmā" text on the packages of the 1985-1992 Japanese toys. I'm not proposing we merge all those toyline pages together, but rather something akin to the [[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)|Japanese Beast Wars toyline]] page, in which the individual toylines are kept separate even though they were all collectively the same-named toyline. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:25, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Headmasters" and its ilk are the imaginary names. Those articles for imaginary toylines are fine where they are. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:53, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==="Movie"===
There's still [[Movie (franchise)]], [[Movie (toyline)]] and more. Shouldn't that be "Transformers (2007 franchise)" and "Transformers (2007 toyline)", with the current [[Transformers (2007)]] becoming "Transformers (2007 movie)"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:44, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:Probably. I didn't move them, since I wanted to bring it up for discussion first. The film should be moved to just "Transformers (film)", though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:05, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:"Movie (''media'')" should be moved to "Transformers (2007 ''media'')" while "Transformers (2007)" goes "Transformers (film)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:27, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
::That push for lexical accuracy strikes me as creating more ambiguity than it resolves. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:06, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==Jungaroo==
Someone made a lovely [[Jungaroo]] gobox, but there's no page for him. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:23, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
:I don't think he's in any applicable fiction, but his [http://home.comcast.net/~BattleBeastSD/MGCKang.html bio card is online here]. Someone will have to translate it from Japanese first though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:25, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

== Making the search suggestion work better ==

I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but I noticed sometimes when I type something in the search box, the search suggestions below it jump around and end up on a list which doesn't quite match what I typed. I think it's something to do with the speed I'm typing and the amount of time the server takes to respond to each request.

Anyway, I tweaked the javascript for grabbing the suggestions from the server so it would only trigger when I stopped typing. That seems to fix the problem for me, and as a bonus it's not nagging the server on every keypress. The downside is no instant feedback when I type, but I can live without that if it fixes the other thing.

If anyone else is having that problem and wants to have a go, just copy and paste the following into your [[Special:MyPage/monacobook.js|monacobook.js]] (caveat: only tested on Firefox and Chrome):
<pre><nowiki>
var ss_memory = null;
var ss_timeron = 0;
var ss_timer;

function DoActualSearch() {
ss_timeron=0;
var newdiv = document.getElementById("searchsuggest");
if (!newdiv) {
var newdiv = document.createElement("div");
newdiv.id = "searchsuggest";
var searchdiv = document.getElementById("searchBody");
searchdiv.appendChild(newdiv);
}
var x = document.getElementById("searchInput").value;
if (x == ss_memory) {
return;
}
ss_memory = x;
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'none';
if (x.length < 30 && x.length > 1 && x.value != "") {
sajax_do_call("wfAjaxSearchSuggest", [x], newdiv);
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'block';
}
}

function MySearchCall() {
if(ss_timeron) {
clearTimeout(ss_timer);
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
} else {
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
ss_timeron=1;
}
}

function myss_ajax_onload(){
var x = document.getElementById('searchInput');
x.onkeyup = function(){
MySearchCall();
};
}

hookEvent("load", myss_ajax_onload);
</nowiki></pre>
Unfortunately it won't fix the actual contents of the search suggestions, so you'll still get a bunch of All Hail Megatron issues when you type "Megatron", but that requires changes on the server. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:02, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:Hmm. I feel like adding <tt>ORDER BY `page_counter` DESC</tt> around line 20 of ''suggest.php'' might help w/ our search results, but it's hard to say for sure given how abstracted mediawiki database calls are, someone would have ot make the change then test it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
::The thought I had was to do a query on article titles starting with the search term, and then if that gives back less than 8 entries, do a second search to fill the rest of the list with titles with the term anywhere in the title. The search suggest currently supports both options, but not at the same time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:07, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

==Stuff==
: Firstly, our organization of information related to the junior franchises is terrible and I'd love to do something about it, but I need feedback. We currently have most Japanese and American Go-Bots as separate characters, except for the Japanese Go-Bots from the 1-2-3 line. Though there are requests for a separate Chopper page. Should those pages be split or not? And if so, what about the figures that came with some of the toys. Kid-Bot clearly isn't the "red driver" or "blue driver", but the dog and "Gas-Bot" both have fiction in only one of the two franchises, so is it worth separating them? Also, does the unpublished coloring book count as apocrypha or not, seeing as it was mostly approved? And the human characters within, do they count as cameos like Kelly in the Dreamwave comics or separate characters? And does anyone know what the Japanese name was by which the First Transformers were released? The Go-Bots fansite has an image of Dumpkun's box featuring what looks like a G1 logo, the First Transformers logo and "初めてトランスフォーマー" written on it.
: Secondly, many disambiguation pages still mention if there's a separate page for the toys of a character. Is this system still necessary now that we use subpages to separate such stuff under? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:07, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

::I think unpublished stuff is treated as apocrypha, isn't it? The character page coverage of unreleased Dreamwave issues is in notes, for instance. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:48, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
:::True, but we don't know if those were approved or know those weren't approved. The coloring book was approved, just not released. That makes it better comparable to Wreckers #$, which we do not consider apocrypha (though I wouldn't know if we'd do that if Wreckers #5 didn't partially canonize it). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:39, 1 October 2011 (EDT)
::Just weighing in on the toy page issue: I find it useful to have these called out on the disambig pages. Being able to go directly from the disambig page to the toy page of a character saves me at least one click (if I see the suite box in time) and often some scrolling (if I don't see it). However, I won't fight too hard on this if consensus is for the removal of this feature. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:47, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

::Thinking some more about the Go-Bots stuff, as the Japanese version of Gas-Bot has no fiction, it probably doesn't need its own page - either link to Gas-Bot's page or just leave it unlinked in the appropriate toy sections. Same with the US version of the dog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== Facebook. ==

Is '''<nowiki>http://www.facebook.com/pages/TFwikinet/191252494230187</nowiki>''' us? Because it's the #1 link when you search for "TFWiki Facebook," and our group is nowhere to be seen. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

:I think our group is not showing up because you have to have a Facebook account to see it? When I go to the group's URL, I just get a page prompting me to log in to Facebook. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

::The link is this one: [http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/], which is the #3 on the search by "TFwiki site:facebook.com" on Google. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:51, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So the other one isn't ours, and we can't put a link on it pointing it to the group.
:::Annoying. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
::::It's a "Community page", whatever that is. Clicking on the "Create a page" button on the top right of that page does bring up some sort of form which seems like it will do something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:12, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Halloween ==

Presuming we're deco'ing our frontpage for Halloween... does anyone have any suggestions? Monsters, ghosts, gouls? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:09, 27 October 2011 (EDT)
:Animated Blitzwing's random face looks sorta Jack O'Lanterny and could work as a replacement for the Autobot insignia on the site logo, assuming we can find a head-on image of it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:35, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

== Moving "(Timelines)" articles ==

I'm thinking that, as we don't bother with "(Timelines)" for SG, TransTech, and Animated characters, we should apply the same across the board and only use it if necessary.

*[[Astrotrain (Timelines)]] → Astrotrain (Cybertron)
*[[Cannonball (Timelines)]] → Cannonball (G1)
*[[Cop-Tur (Timelines)]] → Cop-Tur (G1)
*[[Halogen (Timelines)]] → Halogen (G1)
*[[Side Burn (Timelines)]] → Side Burn (G1)
*[[Sky-Byte (Timelines)]] → Sky-Byte (G2)
*[[Switchblade (Timelines)]] → Switchblade (BW)
*[[Thunderblast (Timelines)]] → Thunderblast (G1)
*[[Yoketron (Timelines)]] → Yoketron (G1)

The exceptions are the Descent into Evil characters, who don't really fit in any pre-existing franchise, and the Nexus Prime characters, who don't originate from a particular universe.
*[[Buzzclaw (Timelines)]]
*[[Dirge (Timelines)]]
*[[Flareup (Timelines)]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)]]
*[[Ricochet (Timelines)]]
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)]]

Thoughts? Or does nobody really care that much? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:19, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:Since you asked, I'll pitch 2¢ into the conversation, since I know a little bit about it. I found out the hard way that wiki "doesn't bother with '(Timelines)' for Animated." And by hard way, I mean I was clobbered over the head without a hint of explanation for proposing that a Timelines-original Animated continuity character should be at "(Timelines)." But no hard feelings. I still think "franchise of origin" and not "continuity of origin" is best for disambiguations. For reasons that have been discussed previously on the subject. TransTech and SG are treated as a kind of sub-franchises of Timelines by the wiki, so I think they are an OK exception. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:00, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::The prose stories are identified as "Transformers Timelines presents a Transformers: (franchise) story". I would say that both franchises are equally valid to the stories, and the fact that non-Timelines stories (Around Cybertron, magazine comics, etc.) bleed together with Timelines stories makes the "(Timelines)" designation convoluted. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:12, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Well, that's different. It sounds like you are calling their actual franchise of origin into question, not just their disambiguation. I don't have an opinion about their actual franchise of origin. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:28, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::I'm not denying that they're Timelines, but saying that they're better categorized under their other franchise. Like the Animated guys, it seems more instinctive to file [[Side Burn (Timelines)]] under "Side Burn (G1)" instead (not to mention that there's other Side Burn in Timelines: [[Side Burn (SG)]]).[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:38, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
I'm hesitating, but let me think about the ramifications. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I'd be fine with this. Though, one thing I'd like to propose is giving the Wings Universe characters their own disambiguation suffix. Like maybe "(Wings)" or something. I know it's a part of G1, but it's kinda like its own series within the over G1 continuity family like the Japanese G1 series are (which are also given their own suffixes such as "(Victory)", "(ROC)", "(BT)" etc.).

:Though, as for the Descent into Evil characters, maybe something like "(DIE)" or "(Descent)" or even just "(Descent into Evil)". Or, if not, keep them at "(Timelines)". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think the DIE guys are fine where they are (although you could argue moving [[Ricochet (Timelines)]] because of [[Ricochet (SG)]], but I don't really care). As for the Wings Universe guys getting their own disambiguation, eh... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:02, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I am '''definitely absolutely''' against creating a (Wings) disambiguation when (G1) or (Timelines) work perfectly fine. We do NOT disambiguate by continuity except by absolute necessity within a franchise. Making up a (Wings) parenthetical just because incredibly confuses our disambiguation policy for no real reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:46, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::And what exactly keeps the Descent into Evil guys from being tagged G1? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Is the intermezzo period between G1 and BW considered G1 or BW?

:::It's all G1 characters... and IIRC the Insecticons were supposed ot be part of Insecticon plans which had been around for ages, so the characters weren't "BW-era only" characters...

:::I could support a G1 disambigif you talked me into it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::DIE fiction (Descent into Evil itself and [[Intimidation Game]]) has elements of both BW and G1; it doesn't have a certain franchise placement. Dirge (Timelines) and Ricochet (Timelines) also have namesakes firmly in G1. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:14, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::::BW is both BW and G1. And G1 has been back-incorporating BW elements since, like, 1995. The fact DIE has G1 and BW doesn't mean it's part of neither. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:25, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think that, by the nature of Timelines, it feels more natural to parse that specific set of characters by their continuity or parent-franchise of origin. Honestly, I think the Nexus components (''all'' of them) are really the best and only candidates for the Timelines parser.

::Also, I made a [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Template:c quick template] that you guys could use here to simplify the coding for whenever you need to link a continuity-parsed name.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:37, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Unfortunately I don't think that template would work as well here, because our articles are not consistently named by franchise. For instance [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)]], [[Flattop (Autobot)]] and [[Impactor]] are all (G1) characters but don't use (G1) in their title, so the template wouldn't work for linking to them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:05, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I think that Timelines is a pretty clunky franchise for the purposes of this wiki, in that it covers multiple continuities. I think the proposal on the table makes sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:31, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

== Two spaces after a period in a sentence ==

I've noticed this for a while on the Wiki. In practice, it makes no difference as the software displays one space the same way it displays one. However, I've been wondering why people do it. Now I '''know: They''' were taught so in school. '''By teachers who were taught on friggin' ''typewriters''.''' So the "two spaces after a period" rule is a leftover from the typewriter days, where it was a necessity, but it's completely obsolete on computers. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html Source]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:16, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:The sentence spacing rules were, in fact, developed by typographers, but were not phased out via the magical introduction of the personal computer. The em-space rule exists for monospaced fonts, which were still fairly common for a great number of printers through the mid-1980s. If you would like to begin a tyrannical series of grammar-based wiki edits, I would begin by avoiding the use of prepositions at the start of sentences. I would also advise some respect for the proper use of colons and semi-colons, as typographical errors should not take priority over proper word selection and punctuation. Cheers! --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 14:20, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Are you referring to sentences beginning with prepositional phrases for the sake of emphasis (also known as an introductory modifiers)? That's totally valid. Or do you mean idiocies such as relative clauses that are separated from the preceding main clause by a period instead of a comma? The most glaring typographic blunders I encounter on the wiki typically go hand in hand with awkwardly worded sentences and clunky terminology, so I'm inclined to assume the same person(s) is/are responsible for all of those.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::I have bolded an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Aw, you altered your post. No fair! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:16, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::::What'd I alter? I just moved it up. Anyway... I'd call that one "deliberate departure from proper grammar for the sake of dramatic emphasis". It's about as improper as using a period after ''every. Single. Word.'' If it's obvious from the context that it's done for emphasis, I'd call it acceptable as long as it's not used inflationary. I'm sure we have a few cases of "We know it's not proper grammar, but we want to stress a point here" on the wiki. (How did the saying go again? "Know the rules first before you break them"?)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:28, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:....or you can just set the bot to convert " " to " ". Since we don't output monospace font, or anything.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:22, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Over the whole wiki, those extra spaces account for maybe 20kb of data, which I don't think is worth worrying about. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::Typed text is typed text, and the double-space after a period is still correct. Shall we next be told that we're "wrong" for not having the wiki use the metric system, or for writing down dates with the month before the day instead of after it? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Oh, and I bolded something too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:36, 8 November 2011 (EST)
Due to habit, I'm gonna double-space until I die. I really don't think that needs to be considered a problem. Is that really a problem? An extra millimeter between sentences? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:51, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Nevermore ''is'' right about it being mostly obsolete, but for purely technical reasons: All double (triple, etc.) spaces are collapsed down to one for display in HTML. If you want the extra spaces to actually be viewable as extra blank space, you have to use <tt>&</tt><tt></tt><tt>nbsp;</tt>. So if you double-space here on the wiki, it only shows up when you edit the page. For whatever that's worth. (Not really taking sides, just presenting the info.) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 06:08, 9 November 2011 (EST)

== More on the search box/"Transformers" everything ==

Typing "Energon" into the search box does not give me [[Energon (franchise)]], [[Energon (cartoon)]] or [[Energon (toyline)]] as top results. Same for "Cybertron". I assume this has to do with the recent "Transformers" prefixing for article titles. However, typing "Animated" into the seach box ''does'' give me franchise and toyline as top results, so it should be ''possible'' despite the prefixing.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:It's purely alphabetical, dude. ''Animated'' shows up before ''Arcee (Animated)'' because "An" precedes "Ar", whereas ''Arcee (Energon)'' comes up before ''Energon'' because "A" precedes "E". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:13, 6 November 2011 (EST)
::There's an option in the search suggest tool to limit the results to stuff starting with the search query rather than with stuff with the term anywhere in their titles, however it's not something that can be configured through MediaWiki. There's a bit of discussion about it in the "Making the search suggestion work better" section up above. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:::If we wanted to do ''that'', when we shouldn't have prefixed "Transformers:" before hundreds of articles 3 weeks ago. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:06, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::We still have the titles without "Transformers: " as redirects though, so they'll still show up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 19 November 2011 (EST)

== Spam-dalism ==

Is that the neologism for it? Anyway, somehow the ReCaptcha is failing to stop the automated spam, and I'm guessing the IP's are all very different.

How old are the accounts when they do this? If they're fairly new, would it be possible to simply block IPs and new accounts from inserting new external links? If not (or if that's unworkable), would it be possible to flag such edits for review the way that wikipedia does to edits on contested pages?

Also, is there any chance these are at least coming from the same proxy? The fact that they're getting past ReCaptcha makes it seem like these are actual people doing this, unless ReCaptcha only activates on certain namespaces.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 14:25, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:I was using captcha with images on my phpBB installation on another site (Doctor Who related) until yesterday and getting a half dozen spammers a day signing up in despite of it. Yesterday I switched to a Question Answer challenge which asks the person registering to name the main character's time machine, and so far it has stopped the spammers dead.
:MediaWiki has [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha QuestyCaptcha] which looks like it works in exactly the same way, and works with the ConfirmEdit extension we already have installed. If we can get that installed and set up, it might be more effective than the image-based system we use now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:39, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::What would the questions be? It can't be too obvious or too obscure. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:::Not necessarily. The question I'm using on my Doctor Who site is obvious if you have any knowledge at all of the source material, but it seems to be working. We can always start with something easy and see how we go. Most likely all of the spammers are using bots anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:49, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::"What is the name of the red-and-blue semi Autobot?", "What's the name of the blue casette player Decepticon?", or "What is the name of the yellow semi Micromaster Autobot with a hydraulic crane?"[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 17:50, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::: "What is the fandom's usual reaction when a new franchise is announced?" :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:56, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::::<tt>If Dick has two apples and Jane has two apples, how many apples do they have? (3 letters.)</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:09, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::Ah, but then it would be so easy for users to use only three exclamation marks, and forget the requisite four exclamation marks and a 1.
::No but yeah, a question helps a lot. Might even be worth doing for all IP edits and new accounts, not just those with external links.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:57, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::While we're on the subject, is it somehow possible to flag certain terms or words used by IP editors and auto-block them? *coughcoughobamacoughcough*[[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 16:31, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::...but we have an article on [[Barry Obama]].
:::Are you trying to whitewash the wiki? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:13, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::: It was just an academic question; after all, I'm sure that you've noticed our considerable problem with a certain IP editor lately. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::: Well yes... but I couldn't resist. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's getting to the point where I'm thinking a temp ban on the whole ISP might get better results. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:51, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::sooo...who would you need to talk to about getting this set up, and what exactly do you want to restrict?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 19:45, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::::The guy whose IP addresses are always located in England who keeps vandalizing articles with Obama-related nonsense. Doesn't look like even banning IP ranges stops him. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:01, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:::::...so, there's no way to stop this lunatic? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:09, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:Options, in order of severity:
#Block all new uses of the word "Obama" to all anonymous editors.
#Block anonymous editors entirely.
#Destroy England.
:But really, that's a separate issue with probably a separate solution, since the guy is a some kind of being. To deal with the spamdalism, I think you guys should add a "name that Transformer-mon!" question, which should cut down heavily on automated edits, and if they still get through, look at blocking all uses of external links for anonymous or new editors. The use of the question for all IP edits is fairly standard, so it should be easy to implement, and you can look into harsher measures if the bots still make it through. However, I really think you guys should make an effort to get this setup, because the conversation keeps kind of drifting down and the vandalism keeps happening.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.102.157|98.223.102.157]] 02:29, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:: On another note... isn't it cute how he keps trying to badly pass himself off as me? I think someone has a bad case of hero-worship. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:::Please stop egging on vandals. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:05, 23 November 2011 (EST)
::: OK, on a more serious note, is anyone averse to just locking the wiki for a few days? Bulbapedia does it regularily and they don't have much of a vandalism problem. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:36, 23 November 2011 (EST)
Removing the "Undo" option for anons would help, at the very least. We need a regular tech person (or give abates access to the MediaWiki stuff, since he seems to know his way around). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:12, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::: What if we implemented a captcha system for anon edits? I mean, it wouldn't ''stop'' them, per se, but it would make persistent vandalism wars a hassle. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:16, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::I would not be opposed to that, or simple stock questions. ("Who is the leader of the Autobots?", "What is two plus three?", etc.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:23, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:::: Rodimus Prime? :p
::::: But seriously, how did Mr. Obama Guy get past the rangeblock? Because that's rather worrysome in and of itself. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:26, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::::BT Internet has a lot of IP ranges. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Okay. Listen. 
1) CAPTCHA won't change crap. It ''might'' stop a small number of bot edits, but we have a large, active mod presence that basically polices this place around the clock, and any of those crappy ad pages can be eliminated in mere minutes, if not within seconds of their creation. 
2) There is basically '''''NOTHING''''' that can be done to ''stop'' someone who has decided that the best use of their time is constant, repeated, easily-reverted vandalism of a wiki. Well, okay there are a few options, but they're not ones any kind of wiki coding is gonna be part of. They'll find ways around bans, and all these automated things that are being suggested are basically shooting blind and wasting time. This is not remotely the first time someone has thought to do this. It won't be the last. But we've outlasted all those others. And that's all it takes. Again... that large active 24-hour admin presence that quickly and coolly reverts the vandalism ''without getting all butthurt''. That's what vandals want, to watch you get pissy and panicky and angry... ''and that's what you're giving them.'' So '''''shut up''''' and stop feeding that, then they'll eventually get bored and leave. 
3) I can perhaps get behind removing the "Undo" option for anons. I don't think though that it will really help much, since making an account takes what, a few seconds? 
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:38, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:Um. I don't want to offend anyone, but the Obama-guy thing ''really'' isn't related to this topic, although some of the solutions to the spamdalism thing might work to hinder him. The bigger issue is the guys spamming the wiki with links to knockoff viagra, sort of thing, and putting up a simple question system for anons and new editors would work to stop that almost completely, at least everywhere I've seen it in use.
:The mod presence, yeah, things eventually get cleaned up by the end of the day, but a simple, standard change like adding the question will prevent that from happening in the first place.[[Special:Contributions/99.39.88.159|99.39.88.159]] 22:44, 26 November 2011 (EST)
:Just to alleviate any concerns: In my experience, the question captcha does not prevent human edits except from the most severely uninformed editors, and it completely prevents the bot-spam, which at this point almost totally covers the RC when I happen to check it. Many other independent wikis, such as Halopedian, use the question captcha, so if you guys wanted a first-person POV on it, you could also ask them for their experiences. Basically, the captcha question should totally eliminate the bot-spam, with the only drawback being that it adds maybe a fraction of a second to anonymous human edits. So, given that, does anyone have any objections to adding the captcha question?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)--(same anon as throughout this topic)

== Spelling throughout the Wiki ==

I've found that, on multiple spots on the Wiki, there are UK English spellings of words. Now, I know that the Transformers Wiki is a country-spanning project, but I'd like a consensus on whether or not we should change incidences of UK spellings (like "practise" and "polarize") to their American English counterparts. A streamlined flow using only one dialect would, I believe, make the editing process much easier. However, I do not want a backlash from UK users. 
P.S.: Damn you, Webster! You and your new-world dictionary! [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 18:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:[[Help:Style guide#National varieties of English|Here is the wiki's policy on the subject]] just so you know. I myself don't think it needs changing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:20, 23 November 2011 (EST)

== Why are the IDW books in G1? ==

Going by our own Continuity Family article the concept is pretty much akin to TvTropes Broad Strokes, a rough outline of somewhat similar events. If the IDW comics are explicitly stated to be a REBOOT of G1, how do they count as part of that continuity family if Animated and the Film Series dont, which ostensibly could also be called G1 Reboots. Classic aspects, such as the Ark/Nemesis Crash Landing and dormancy , Unicron's attack as seen in the movie (which was more or less is continuity across G1) and hell, even there Beast Wars don't really sync up with past Family history. Does a reboot of G1 really count as G1? Say what you will about Dreamwave, but at least they TRIED to fir it in to some semblance of G1 Continuity, this seems to be more like a full start over, akin to Aligned or RID ((before the Japanese got to it.) {{unsigned|158.103.0.1}}
:Uggghhhhhh. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)
:Yeahhh, you not understanding the concept of Continuity Families particularly well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 16:30, 1 December 2011 (EST)

::Other continuities within the G1 continuity family also eschew some of those classic aspects. In [[Action Blast 1]], for instance, the Autobots crash on present-day Earth and they don't hang around in stasis for millions of years. I don't think there's really a template of specific events that a G1 continuity has to stick to. That would hamper storytelling too much. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:59, 1 December 2011 (EST)

:::Also, they share a lot of the same characters, body designs, and personalities. Granted, some of them are common across the multiverse, but things like Megatron becoming a gun and Optimus Prime as a flatnosed tractor-trailer are distinctly G1-ish. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:29, 1 December 2011 (EST)
::::FYI: [[Talk:IDW Generation 1 continuity#New evidence that IDW is not G1|Previous discussion here]]. Yes, on the one hand, it is G1 because it uses the G1 cast of characters for the most part, and most of those pretty much have the same personality as their G1 bio card as on their G1 counterparts (with the significant exception of their gimmicks). On the other hand, [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=143991#143991 an artist] has said it is not G1, so it isn't entirely crazy to say it isn't G1. The universe itself doesn't seem particularly G1. It is like a different universe populated with G1 guys. The Micromasters aren't Cybertronain (I think), so a whole class of G1 Transformers aren't Transformers which sounds like a different universe. In short, it mostly makes sense for the wiki to organize it under G1 so they don't have to duplicate character pages with characters with mostly the same intro paragraph. But don't take it too seriously, it isn't official or anything. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:54, 1 December 2011 (EST)
::::: No, that’s not what I’m saying. What I mean is that there seems to be no CANON justification for why IDW is considered G1. Especially because it lacks the links of similar G1 works, it’s never been verified as such by the creators (as far as I know) and it’s “G1-ness” is tentative at best.

:::::IDW really doesn’t have as strong a link as or other G1 families. They all either were marketed as direct extensions to the original 80s ‘Toon and Comic adaptations (Gen 2 and Dreamwave ) established “next gen” sequels (Beast Era) Inserts into Gen 1 (Alternators and much of Japan’s stuff) Or add ons to particular points of the G1 timeline (Classics, Dreamwave) hell Timelines might count as a little bit of all of these. IDW really has no direct link.

:::::That leaves us to the creators, and when it’s referred as such by them they use the term "reboot” or the like. Hell Simon Furman, architect of a large section of G1, straight up called it an ‘Ultimate’ version in his CBR interview. And Don Fig doesn’t consider it G1 at all.

:::::Even then we look at why we call it G1 it causes all kinds of fallacies. Relying ion art style to tell families (as said in our very own article) leads to insanity, as characters change appearances across media ostensibly in eths same family all the time (for example WFC and Prime) likewise the “G1" aspects, such as personality, and looks, have been used both in the Transformers Film and Animated families, and yet we don’t consider them G1 despite both being just about the same kind of reboot on it IDW is. They incorporate a version of the Beast Ear into their timeline but assuming a connection with their main IDW addition, it’s just as differing as Aligned or Animated version of the Beast era would be.

:::::I’m not trying to rock the boat I se4riously would just like to know if there’s any official, canon, or Hasbro/Creator data that states IDW as a version of G1, because right now I’m not seeing it.

:::::Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be seen as the "young turk" coming into old pros territory and rocking the boat against guys who have been studying this since before I was born, but I just picked up a bunch of Simon Furman stuff from [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Marvelcomicscontinuity.jpg The old comics]] as well as the big two volume IDW packs and they just don't fit at all. They're as different from G1 as the Films, Animated or RID are. I don't think we should makes assumptions and leaps of logic just for convenience's sake, kind belies the purpose of a wiki, ya know?
::::::This is a ridiculous amount of navel-gazing to get past the point that IDW continuity is just G1 in new dressing and not a new franchise of its own. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:42, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::By that terminology ALL of Transformers media is Just "g1 in a new dressing" by the virtue of G1 starting the franchise.
::::::::That is not what I mean by "franchise". Please don't be obtuse. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:05, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::Considering new Generation 1 toys keep being made in the style of IDW design, that that firmly cements the stuff as being G1 in Hasbro's eyes. And the fact that they are constantly using Generation 1-style character aesthetics, personalizations and the freaking '''original font''' on the titles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:35, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::The wiki's more confident about calling it G1 than even Hasbro, which calls the toys "Generations." Wiki organization is one thing, but we act more like it is a fact than it actually is. "Generation 1" doesn't really exist anymore. Hasbro is a little ashamed of it. Or at least doesn't want to pigeon-hole their toys and comics as being old-school. The [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] page as a "Generation 1" logo on top. That doesn't really reflect reality which is more hazy. Maybe "Generations" is the new "Generation 1" or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:56, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::To use your Simon Furman point against you, saying that IDW is not G1 is kind of like saying that Ultimate Marvel is not part of the Marvel Multiverse. It may be fairly different, but it is undeniably the same basic characters and situations. Also, I never have figured out why anyone really cares what the creative teams think, anything they say can be overruled by Hasbro at any time. Even after it has been published. Only Hasbro's opinion really matters.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:07, 2 December 2011 (EST)
Discussed ad nauseum years ago. Nothing new has been added to the conversation since. Not changing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:13, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::Aesthetics have already been disavowed as a valid ground for Continuity Pedigree, most notably with the Aligned Family. if Hasbro itself hasn’t recognized it as G1, hasn’t directly tied it to a previous G1 work, and if the writers and artists themselves don’t consider it G1, how is it legitimate to denote it as G1 based on our interpretation. Especially given such ethereal "evidence" as the looks of toys and ''fonts'' of all things.

:::::::::Hasbro has yet to give any word. And also the Marvel analogy wont work, because while Marvel has but ONE Multiverse composed of several individual universes. The TF Multiverse is a collection of Universal Streams, each roughly following the same vents with several different interpretations over key events. It's like comparing diffirent versions of the Bible as rather than like comparing the Bible against the Koran.

:::::::::M Sipher, would you do an FYI link? I've seen the discussion over on IDW Continuity’s Main page and the quibbles on the main Continuity Family but never any hard decree from an authority based on reasoning any more firm than convenience. I'm simply trying to hold IDW to the standards of the other G1 works on the wiki, all of which have '''in-canon''' links to versions of G1, or else are stated as such by the Companies.

:99% of all IDW characters are G1 characters, based on their original G1 counterparts. The different origins of some characters (Arcee) are no different than varying origins between the original cartoon and Marvel Comics (Grimlock, Technobots). Compared to the Aurex universes, where only Optimus, Megatron and Starscream consistently fit the G1 character archetypes, whereas most other characters are clearly just name reuses (Red Alert, Cyclonus, Jetfire, etc). Even Malgus and Tyran, both clearly closer to the G1 continuity than Aurex, have clearly distinctive character differences. IDW Bumblebee is clearly a variation on the original G1 Bumblebee, whereas Movie 'Bee and Animated Bumblebee are approximate extrapolations, see also Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, and so on.
:IDW is a G1 universe that has expanded beyond the original G1 concepts, but not the characters themselves. Trying something new is not the same as abandoning the underlying foundation. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:47, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:I'm sure there are other examples, but Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe have appeared in their Universe Classics series bodies while Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp have appeared in their Masterpiece bodies. All of those are undoubted G1 toys. Either IDW is G1 or those toys are being repurposed. All things considered it seems most parsimonious to classify IDW as a part of G1. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:56, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::Masterpiece is a franchise. Classics series is G1continuity family but it isn't G1franchise. Unfortunately, "G1" can mean different things. Just so everyone is on the same page, the wiki treats IDW as being part of the G1 ''[[franchise]]''. For example, on the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] it has the G1 franchise logo. Is that what this discussion is about, or is the discussion about if IDW is part of the G1 continuity family? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:28, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::The original poster said continuity family. I do consider IDW a different franchise within the G1 continuity family. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:39, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::Oh, OK. Anyone else? Show of hands? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:04, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::But does the use of Character analogous to G1 interpretations define it as a G1 series? This really comes don to whether we define continuity families as being overlays of roughly similar events (as in Tvtropes Broad Strokes) or whether we are tying versions of characters as the archetype from which it is based. If you're taking side new altmodes and differences like Goldbug and Galvatron is being "based" on G1 to a degree enough to allot status within the family? At that point we might as well make a spectrum of "G1-ness" and start arbitrarily cutting everything. As it stands now our definitions of Families are based off there uniqueness of story and universe content, and IDW differs significantly from any other G1 work.
:::So does ''Hearts of Steel''. Shall we consider that a separate family as well? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:11, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::As the line of books it was from was cancled de jure that cnat really be elaborated on. (Although it's G1 staus was controversial to start with, it being the TF equivilant to a What if or Elseworlds) But HoS was never devolved as an obstensive reboot, rather an Alt-universe portyal that gets put in G1 by the same stroke as the Sg-verse. (if we diidnt have it's Universal Stream number to go by). IDW on the contrary was billed as a reboot, the same way aligned is being done now. Couple that with the radical (and debatedly unparalleled ) story alterations and you have apples and oranges. Though really teh entire "G1 by default" mindset is pretty off-putting. Heck it might even work as a really big Mirco-Contunity. Pardoxial as that sounds.
:::I was under the impression that the character archetypes were a major part of what makes a continuity family. These problems really only arise with G1 because it is the only family that has had multiple continuations and reboots and additions for decades after its debut. The RID, Unicron Trilogy and Animated continuity families have been pretty well limited to their original period of release (not ''entirely'' so but with only a few minor exceptions). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:42, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::I think this is really down to the fact that Continuity & Franchises is just too darn confusing. Not to mention that there can be disparate continuities within a franchise and different franchises can make up a continuity, all of which fit into the over-arching Continuity Family. Obviously there must be enough in common in order to include any new franchise into an existing Family, or to take the leap and create a new Continuity Family. Does new media have to have enough in common with the progenitor of a Continuity Family to be included? Or merely use aspects of the varying franchises of said Continuity Family? With G1 ''all'' of the supporting media has strayed from the originating cartoon, but kept enough characterizations, and broad timelines within the Family. RID, Animated, Aligned, etc have all maintained aspects of 'Transformers' but been significantly different from each other to establish there places as individual Continuity Families. Whereas IDW is disparate from these Families, and other than story lines (which have to change be definition) most closely fits G1. In order to argue IDW being a new Continuity Family you would have to prove that it is different enough from other existing Continuity Families & G1, which doesn't fit given the IDW timeline, characters and mythology, it is all based off of G1 franchises.[[User:Yuppie|Yuppie]] 19:04, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::::I just want to point out that the G1 cartoon ISN'T the "originating" source. That would be the TOYS. And the comic work came before the cartoon. So... yeah. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:15, 2 December 2011 (EST)

==Beast Wars Neo Sausage is gone!==

The page was deleted for some reason. It was marked as vandalism, but as I'm sure some of you know it actually existed. -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 22:47, 2 December 2011 (EST)

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== Aligned Timeline ==

I'm going to try and take a stab at creating an Aligned timeline that unites everything we know about the franchise(s) so far. Any help would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 09:48, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

== Help Wanted ==

Hello one and all. I'm here representing a newly created Role-Playing forum that is based in the Transformers Universe. We're in the early stages yet, and are looking for people to help get the ball rolling. Since this site seems to lack a dedicated forum (where requests like these would usually be made) and I haven't seen any other way to effectively say my piece in front of a large audience, I thought that posting here was the best way to "advertise" us, as it were. I sincerely apologize if this was the wrong move on our part, or if I've breached protocol at all, but I can assure everyone that our intentions aren't malign. Those interested, please contact me using any of the ways that I have listed on my username page here on this site. I won't tempt fate by linking our website here directly =P

Once again, you all have my sincere greetings, and I hope to hear from you soon. Also, as a side note: the difference in quality between this page and the transformers wikia is amazing. [[User:Rathian Warrior|Rathian Warrior]] 23:50, 3 October 2011 (EDT)
:I'm not sure if you've crossed any lines, and frankly, you were polite enough about it that it's not a big deal, but you could always buy some ad space if you want to raise awareness of your forum. It's cheap! There's usually a link on every page around the banners, but if you didn't catch it, you can follow this link: [https://www.projectwonderful.com/advertisehere.php?id=25311&type=4 Project Wonderful TFWiki Page]--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:13, 8 November 2011 (EST)

== "Fictional" and "real" categories ==
I think we need to come up with a consistent way to distinguish categories of things that are real and categories of things that have appeared in fiction. So far, we've skimmed the issue by using synonyms, such as [[:Category:Companies|companies]] and [[:Category:Businesses|businesses]], but that doesn't really work for things like [[:Category:Magazines|magazines]], which is already used for real magazines. Currently, we have [[:Category:Fictional books]], [[:Category:Fictional video games]] that consider the fictional entities "different". On the other hand, we have [[:Category:Real-world events by day]] and [[:Category:Real world films]]. We focus more on the fictional aspect of Transformers, so it makes sense to not point out the fictionality in categories, but "real world" sounds awkward to some. Which one should we use? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:26, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I thought I'd cheat and see how some of the other fictional Wikis deal with the problem. Three different approaches I saw:
:*[http://tardis.wikia.com/ Doctor Who wiki] has a [http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Real_world "Real World" category] for real world stuff and in most cases the categories for real world things are at "Real world X".
:*[http://wookiepedia.org/ Wookiepedia] goes the parenthetical route, with "Books" and "Books (real-world)". Though they also have one or two like "Real world companies".
:*[http://stargate.wikia.com/ Stargate wiki] has "Books" versus "Stargate books" for real world books.
:I kinda like the parenthetical approach that Wookiepedia have taken. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:11, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::I'd favor pointing out the status of both categories, just to make absolutely clear what they are for. The words can be "Fictional" and "Real-world" (I notice both real-world categories use a different spelling. Whichever it's gonna be (if), only one spelling should be used). "Nonfictional" kinda works as an alternative, would "Real-world" be disliked. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:35, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::If we go that route, I think "real-world" should be used, since "real world" is a lot more easier to fix than the other parsing. I like the Wookiepedia approach, but I'm not sure that's enough to change how we already do categories. The idea to label both categories sounds nice, but "Fictional X" seems incongruous with unlabeled categories, such as "weapons", "technology", etc.; considering that our main focus is the fiction, I'm leaning towards only labeling the real stuff. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:02, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it would be advantageous to put a {{tl|disambig2}} at the top, so people could easily go from the fictional to the real world category too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:30, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Yeah, I think I put that on [[:Category:Films]] a while ago. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:57, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Speaking of this, I found we handle [[:Category:Films]] like [[:Category:Real people]], wouldn't this be some, um, confusing? It's just, somehow, reverse? (Except for the fictional films like ''Honoji'') According to the logic of how we handle [[:Category:Real people]], shouldn't we place films like ''40-Year-Old Virgin'' or ''Godzilla'' in the [[:Category:Real world films]]? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::::Godzilla doesn't go in "Real world films" because it's not a real world ''Transformers'' film. The Transformers is implied in that category name. Presumably we could have a "Real films" category for Godzilla, etc, but I'm not sure it's worth doing. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:53, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::We shouldn't use "fictional X" for two reasons. One, there things like [[As the Kitchen Sinks]] that are fictional even within the fictional Transformers universe. Second, the wiki is written in-universe by default and putting [[Big Steve's Used Cars]] in a "fictional businesses" category would kind of break that. Within Transformers fiction, "Big Steve's Used Cars" is not a fictional company, but "As the Kitchen Sinks" is a fictional TV show. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:47, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::In-universe, As the Kitchen Sinks is not a fictional show. It depicts fictional events and fictional people, yes, but the show itself, as a piece of entertainment, is not fictional. I do get your point, as we actually have things like [[Frankenstein]] that are two layers of fiction removed from us. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:18, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::Yes, of course. I meant, in-universe, ''As the Kitchen Sinks'' is a work of fiction, whereas "Big Steve's Used Cars" is a real business that sells real used cars to real people. Have I been saying it wrong all this time? Wasn't ''Buck Rogers'' a fictional TV show? Anyway, it sounds like you got my point. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:14, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Or, judging by the fact categories like "Magazines" in used for magazines in our real life and "Companies" for companies in real life, why not just use "Film" for films (such as DOTM) in real life, while we move current contents in "Films" to "Films in ''Transformers'' fictions"? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::That seems like it would go counter to some of our existing naming schemes. e.g. if we split that out into films by franchise, you'd get "Films in Generation 1" rather than "Generation 1 films". Though admittedly the former title might have the advantage that it's clearer in meaning. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:50, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::I think both are equally ambiguous in their meaning. If we still need to clarify the purpose of the categories, we can always spell it out in the category's introduction. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:03, 7 September 2011 (EDT)

== "Transformers: " ==
We talked a bit about adding back "Transformers: " to the titles of articles [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive51#When_to_omit_.22Transformers.22_from_an_article_title|previously]], and the general sentiment was that people were for it or didn't have an issue with it. Does anybody else have any input in this matter? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:34, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:I'm okay with this change, but I do have three questions on execution. 1.) Whether or not "Transformers" is followed by a colon seems random in our current system. How will that be handled? 2.) If "Transformers(:)" is going to be added to every relevant page name, then what about all the extra words in the titles of Japanese stuff? 3.) What conseuqneces will this have for categories, lists, storylinks, etc? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 04:41, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::#I think we've had two consistent rules about that: If the title is some kind of phrase, like "Transformers United", "The Transformers Collection", or "Transformers Animated", then we don't use the colon. If the title is some kind of obvious "title: subtitle" setup ("Transformers: Armada", "Transformers: Prime"), then we use the colon. There's some borderline examples, but I think we can figure them out one by one. Official sources will help with determining colon-status. The other rule seems to apply to only games: If the title has another subtitle, then the first colon is dropped (ex. [[Transformers Prime: Terrorcon Defense]]). I dunno why, but we can add back the colon, I suppose.
::#I guess we add them? We could argue it for ''Victory'', since it was released in English contexts as just "Transformers: Victory".
::#I think we're just going to continue the same in relation to those. The articles will still be sorted by their subtitles in categories. Storylinks I could go either way on, but I think the trend is to drop the main title. I've been doing that for the AAII storylinks to avoid excessively long links. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:49, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I don't see how "Transformers United" and "Transformers Animated" are any different from "Transformers: Prime". To me, all three could fall into either of your groups (phrase vs subtitle) and would prefer colons in all of those cases. Of your examples, only "The Transformers Collection" seems to really belong in the "phrase" group. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:22, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::"United" and "Animated" are adjectives that modify "Transformers" and have official sources that omit the colon. "Transformers Prime" doesn't make sense in that way. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:58, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

::::I am not certain about those two "rules" for colons either. They're rather vague and bound to cause arguments and confusion. It needs to be made more obvious whether a colon should be used or not before "Transformers" can be added everywhere (a help page on the matter would also be handy in the future, me thinks).

::::I think that if we would put the cartoon at ''Transformers: Victory'', that would cause confusion with the manga, storypages, toyline and franchises, none of which were ever brought over and should thus not be named such. If moved, the ''Victory'' cartoon should best go to its Japanese name. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:28, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* The first rule is mostly there for Transformers Animated, which people will be resistant to moving to have a colon (plus, obvious cases like The Transformers Collection). The second rule I really don't care about and can be tossed (it mostly only concerns the movie series of video games and online games). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:04, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::Are you suggesting there that Victory articles should be moved to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory"? I'd disagree with that, if so! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:25, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::Why? We can't go around writing out the full names of Western franchises and stuff but not do so for the Japanese stuff. We already have "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" written out for the 1985 & 1986 Japanese franchises, so why not ''Victory''? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 07:30, 10 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Victory (the cartoon) has been released in the West as "Transformers: Victory", to me that means that the official English name of the franchise ''is'' Transformers: Victory. Yes, we should give the full Japanese title at the beginning of the franchise page but there is no reason to move anything to that name. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:35, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::That was pretty much my reasoning too (also typing out the full name every time we wanted to link to it would be tedious). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:59, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::Tying out "(franchise)" every time for everything is more tedious, but we still have it (for... some reason). Ditto long titles like [[The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers]] and [[Transformers Vault]]'s previous ridiculously long title.
:::::::::But I guess the general principle of "Transformers: " is acceptable to most. I'll start moving the noncontroversial pages (Western comics and cartoons with definite subtitles, etc.) if there's no opposition in the next few hours. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:08, 10 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::Is there a difference between [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering]] and [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Ascending|Transformers: Beast Wars: The Ascending]]? I must admit, the comma/colon distinction seems kinda arbitrary. Also, these page names seem kind of overlong and stupid, what's wrong with [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Ascending|The Ascending]] and [[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering|The Gathering]]? It's a Transformers wiki and those are Beast Wars series; prefixing everything we possibly can with "Transformers" is only going to clog up the search box and make editing just that bit more arduous. What were the arguments in favour of this again? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 16:21, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::That's the formatting used in the indicia. Your complaint about the search box is silly; did you really think typing "Transformers" into it yielded anything useful 99% of the time?
:::::::::::Like it or not, "Transformers: " is the part of the name of many things, and the hoops we have to go through to maintain this silly system of dropping it from article titles has gotten ridiculous and inconsistent. Adding "Transformers: " to article titles, on the other hand, adds ''clarity'' and avoids pointless disambiguation. "The Transformers: Bumblebee" is preferable to "Bumblebee (comic)", "Transformers: Sector 7" to "Sector 7 (comic)", etc. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:44, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::I get that it's useful in some cases, but it just seems like applying the rule across the board means we're overcomplicating the issue. Occam's razor has a lot going for it, and for user-friendliness I'd go for brevity. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 17:11, 12 September 2011 (EDT)

::::::::::::Also on an Occam's razor tip, "Bumblebee (comic)" conveys more information in fewer characters than "Transformers: Bumblebee". I really don't understand why the latter is preferable. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 14:06, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:::::::::::::There's something to say for either argument, but as it is, we have proven to be unable to keep to one consistent "Transformers"-as-part-of-the-title policy at least since TFA. And if trying to keep "Transformers" out of the deal doesn't work, we oughta give the alternative a chance. I don't think it necesarilly makes it harder to find anything, as the search box reacts to words even if they are not the first part of a page title. And I want to have the changes in clear perspective before I might suggest deleting a few redirects, so at least for now, searches won't be any harder and we have a consistent policy. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 14:49, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

I gotta say, I'm hating how this is working in practice. Article titles seem long and ugly to me.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 15:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

:I feel the same, but it seems to be an necessary evil because "Transformers: ***" is a full title? duh. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

::I fear the day someone decides to add full titles to disambiguation suffixes as well, e.g. "Optimus Prime (Transformers Animated)", "Grindor (Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen)" etc.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:43, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

:::That would be silly, and I'm pretty sure most people would oppose it. Putting "Transformers:" in names is a change we'd already been drifting towards for a while with, for instance, the War for Cybertron articles all doing it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:32, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

::::On a related note, it's a pet peeve of mine when a writeup talks about a specific medium related to a franchise but links to the franchise as a whole instead, such as "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] toyline" or "in episode 6 of the [[Energon (franchise)|Energon]] cartoon...".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:29, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Would the best solution there be something like "Jetfire was released as part of wave 1 of the [[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] [[Cybertron (toyline)|toyline]]"? --[[Special:Contributions/77.99.176.103|77.99.176.103]] 03:32, 29 September 2011 (EDT) (oops, emvee not logged in)
::::::I think linking to the toyline page is sufficent. There's no need for an additional link to the corresponding umbrella franchise. The thought behind this is: "If Joe McRandom sees something that interests him and clicks a link, does he want the link to take him straight to the specific topic or to a more general overview?" I think link targets should always be as specific as necessary. If someone gets interested in a broader overview, he can always go one level up. After all, a link referring to G1 Optimus Prime leads to [[Optimus Prime (G1)]], not to [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)]], either. In the same fashion, toyline pages should deeplink to the specific toy entries on the respective characters' pages (or even their toy pages, if applicable). Like, if Joe McRandom is on the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe (2008 toyline)]] page, sees a "Prowl" toy listed under "Deluxe Class" and wants to read more about that toy, he wants the "Prowl" link to take him straight to [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)]], not to the [[Prowl (G1)|main character page]] where he then has to scroll down to "toys", see that G1 Prowl toys have their separate page, go ''there'', ''then'' scroll down to "Universe (2008)". (It currently links to [[Prowl (G1)/toys]], which is at least halfway there.) I will fix this wherever I see it, and implement it when doing writeups.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:11, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

===Suggestion to creating templates===

Do we need some kinds of templates when typing contents for convenience? For my experience in Terminator Wiki, we use templates like <nowiki>{{T3}} for ''[[Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines]]'' or {{TSCC}} for ''[[Terminator: The Sarah Connnor Chronicles]]''</nowiki>. What I'm suggesting is that after we make all franchise names into full title (and we don't use redirect links), it is some how trouble some when typing the title. So we can make some templates like:
<pre>
{{tf|Armada}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Transformers: Armada]]''

{{tf|Armada|toyline|Pokeformer}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Pokeformer]]''

{{jptf|bwn}} -> ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo]]''

</pre>

If there is any user who can created complex template, we could make

<pre>
{{tf|armada|t}} -> ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Transformers: Armada]]''

parameter 1:
2010 = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (toyline)
thm = Transformers: The Headmasters (toyline)
mf = Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (toyline)
v = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory
z = Transformers: Zone
roc = Transformers: Return of Convoy
oc = Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Operation Combination
armada = Transformers Armada
bwn = Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo
mov = Movie
rotf = Revenge of the Fallen
tfa = Transformers Animated
...and (blah blah)

parameter 2:
*default* - franchise
t - toyline
ct - cartoon
co - comic
m - manga
f - film

And, if possible:
if parameter 3 = s (for example), it will become short title like ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]''

</pre>

--'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:42, 24 September 2011 (EDT)

:It's something I've thought about as well. Considering there are a lot of exceptions to the regular naming system (parts of franchises that are called something different or franchises that lack the (franchise) identifier on the wiki because it's not necessary to disambiguate it), I don't think a template can be coded to put a link together. A full list system like our TFtoon templates have could maybe work though. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:08, 25 September 2011 (EDT)
::I think with the number of franchises we have, it would end up being a hellishly big template and difficult to maintain for only a minor gain. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:03, 25 September 2011 (EDT)

==="Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" Transformers===
With the insertion of this phrase into the Victory page titles, should it also be inserted into the titles of The Headmasters, Super-God Masterforce, and Zone? now while the immediate answer would be "No", there are some places that do include this text above the "Toransufōmā" text in each of these series's logos. An example of this would the [[Transformers Tapestry]] (which even includes it in the Operation combination logo as well) and the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Columbia_Zone_DVD.jpg Columbia DVD of Zone]. Its inclusion in these places seems more than mere coincidence, so would we take this idea into consideration? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:33, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
:Um, that ''Zone'' DVD does not support your assertion. All of the ''actual'' media for those series (except for the Zone manga and story pages) do not include The "Fight!..." portion. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:58, 23 October 2011 (EDT)
::Technically the whole toyline in Japan from 1985 to 1992 was called "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers" (as was written on the boxes), so at least the toyline pages for the series of those years would probably need the longer title than just "Transformers: ''X'' (toyline)" --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 16:04, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So you want to move the toyline pages to some made-up name? Pick one: 1) Merge all of the toyline pages to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)" 2) Leave the toyline pages as they are instead of stressing over naming things that technically don't exist. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:23, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
::::How is it "made up"? "Tatakae! Chō Robot Seimeitai" means "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform" and is written above the "Toransufōmā" text on the packages of the 1985-1992 Japanese toys. I'm not proposing we merge all those toyline pages together, but rather something akin to the [[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)|Japanese Beast Wars toyline]] page, in which the individual toylines are kept separate even though they were all collectively the same-named toyline. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 17:25, 25 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::"Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: The Headmasters" and its ilk are the imaginary names. Those articles for imaginary toylines are fine where they are. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 17:53, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==="Movie"===
There's still [[Movie (franchise)]], [[Movie (toyline)]] and more. Shouldn't that be "Transformers (2007 franchise)" and "Transformers (2007 toyline)", with the current [[Transformers (2007)]] becoming "Transformers (2007 movie)"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:44, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:Probably. I didn't move them, since I wanted to bring it up for discussion first. The film should be moved to just "Transformers (film)", though. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:05, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

:"Movie (''media'')" should be moved to "Transformers (2007 ''media'')" while "Transformers (2007)" goes "Transformers (film)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:27, 24 October 2011 (EDT)
::That push for lexical accuracy strikes me as creating more ambiguity than it resolves. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:06, 25 October 2011 (EDT)

==Jungaroo==
Someone made a lovely [[Jungaroo]] gobox, but there's no page for him. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:23, 6 September 2011 (EDT)
:I don't think he's in any applicable fiction, but his [http://home.comcast.net/~BattleBeastSD/MGCKang.html bio card is online here]. Someone will have to translate it from Japanese first though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:25, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

== Making the search suggestion work better ==

I don't know if anyone else has this problem, but I noticed sometimes when I type something in the search box, the search suggestions below it jump around and end up on a list which doesn't quite match what I typed. I think it's something to do with the speed I'm typing and the amount of time the server takes to respond to each request.

Anyway, I tweaked the javascript for grabbing the suggestions from the server so it would only trigger when I stopped typing. That seems to fix the problem for me, and as a bonus it's not nagging the server on every keypress. The downside is no instant feedback when I type, but I can live without that if it fixes the other thing.

If anyone else is having that problem and wants to have a go, just copy and paste the following into your [[Special:MyPage/monacobook.js|monacobook.js]] (caveat: only tested on Firefox and Chrome):
<pre><nowiki>
var ss_memory = null;
var ss_timeron = 0;
var ss_timer;

function DoActualSearch() {
ss_timeron=0;
var newdiv = document.getElementById("searchsuggest");
if (!newdiv) {
var newdiv = document.createElement("div");
newdiv.id = "searchsuggest";
var searchdiv = document.getElementById("searchBody");
searchdiv.appendChild(newdiv);
}
var x = document.getElementById("searchInput").value;
if (x == ss_memory) {
return;
}
ss_memory = x;
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'none';
if (x.length < 30 && x.length > 1 && x.value != "") {
sajax_do_call("wfAjaxSearchSuggest", [x], newdiv);
document.getElementById("searchsuggest").style.display = 'block';
}
}

function MySearchCall() {
if(ss_timeron) {
clearTimeout(ss_timer);
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
} else {
ss_timer=setTimeout("DoActualSearch();",500);
ss_timeron=1;
}
}

function myss_ajax_onload(){
var x = document.getElementById('searchInput');
x.onkeyup = function(){
MySearchCall();
};
}

hookEvent("load", myss_ajax_onload);
</nowiki></pre>
Unfortunately it won't fix the actual contents of the search suggestions, so you'll still get a bunch of All Hail Megatron issues when you type "Megatron", but that requires changes on the server. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:02, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:Hmm. I feel like adding <tt>ORDER BY `page_counter` DESC</tt> around line 20 of ''suggest.php'' might help w/ our search results, but it's hard to say for sure given how abstracted mediawiki database calls are, someone would have ot make the change then test it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:47, 15 September 2011 (EDT)
::The thought I had was to do a query on article titles starting with the search term, and then if that gives back less than 8 entries, do a second search to fill the rest of the list with titles with the term anywhere in the title. The search suggest currently supports both options, but not at the same time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:07, 15 September 2011 (EDT)

==Stuff==
: Firstly, our organization of information related to the junior franchises is terrible and I'd love to do something about it, but I need feedback. We currently have most Japanese and American Go-Bots as separate characters, except for the Japanese Go-Bots from the 1-2-3 line. Though there are requests for a separate Chopper page. Should those pages be split or not? And if so, what about the figures that came with some of the toys. Kid-Bot clearly isn't the "red driver" or "blue driver", but the dog and "Gas-Bot" both have fiction in only one of the two franchises, so is it worth separating them? Also, does the unpublished coloring book count as apocrypha or not, seeing as it was mostly approved? And the human characters within, do they count as cameos like Kelly in the Dreamwave comics or separate characters? And does anyone know what the Japanese name was by which the First Transformers were released? The Go-Bots fansite has an image of Dumpkun's box featuring what looks like a G1 logo, the First Transformers logo and "初めてトランスフォーマー" written on it.
: Secondly, many disambiguation pages still mention if there's a separate page for the toys of a character. Is this system still necessary now that we use subpages to separate such stuff under? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 17:07, 23 September 2011 (EDT)

::I think unpublished stuff is treated as apocrypha, isn't it? The character page coverage of unreleased Dreamwave issues is in notes, for instance. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:48, 24 September 2011 (EDT)
:::True, but we don't know if those were approved or know those weren't approved. The coloring book was approved, just not released. That makes it better comparable to Wreckers #$, which we do not consider apocrypha (though I wouldn't know if we'd do that if Wreckers #5 didn't partially canonize it). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 11:39, 1 October 2011 (EDT)
::Just weighing in on the toy page issue: I find it useful to have these called out on the disambig pages. Being able to go directly from the disambig page to the toy page of a character saves me at least one click (if I see the suite box in time) and often some scrolling (if I don't see it). However, I won't fight too hard on this if consensus is for the removal of this feature. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 07:47, 26 September 2011 (EDT)

::Thinking some more about the Go-Bots stuff, as the Japanese version of Gas-Bot has no fiction, it probably doesn't need its own page - either link to Gas-Bot's page or just leave it unlinked in the appropriate toy sections. Same with the US version of the dog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:30, 24 October 2011 (EDT)

== Facebook. ==

Is '''<nowiki>http://www.facebook.com/pages/TFwikinet/191252494230187</nowiki>''' us? Because it's the #1 link when you search for "TFWiki Facebook," and our group is nowhere to be seen. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:32, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

:I think our group is not showing up because you have to have a Facebook account to see it? When I go to the group's URL, I just get a page prompting me to log in to Facebook. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:47, 12 October 2011 (EDT)

::The link is this one: [http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/ http://www.facebook.com/groups/28226443881/], which is the #3 on the search by "TFwiki site:facebook.com" on Google. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 19:51, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
:::So the other one isn't ours, and we can't put a link on it pointing it to the group.
:::Annoying. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:01, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
::::It's a "Community page", whatever that is. Clicking on the "Create a page" button on the top right of that page does bring up some sort of form which seems like it will do something. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 01:12, 13 October 2011 (EDT)

== Halloween ==

Presuming we're deco'ing our frontpage for Halloween... does anyone have any suggestions? Monsters, ghosts, gouls? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:09, 27 October 2011 (EDT)
:Animated Blitzwing's random face looks sorta Jack O'Lanterny and could work as a replacement for the Autobot insignia on the site logo, assuming we can find a head-on image of it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 02:35, 27 October 2011 (EDT)

== Moving "(Timelines)" articles ==

I'm thinking that, as we don't bother with "(Timelines)" for SG, TransTech, and Animated characters, we should apply the same across the board and only use it if necessary.

*[[Astrotrain (Timelines)]] → Astrotrain (Cybertron)
*[[Cannonball (Timelines)]] → Cannonball (G1)
*[[Cop-Tur (Timelines)]] → Cop-Tur (G1)
*[[Halogen (Timelines)]] → Halogen (G1)
*[[Side Burn (Timelines)]] → Side Burn (G1)
*[[Sky-Byte (Timelines)]] → Sky-Byte (G2)
*[[Switchblade (Timelines)]] → Switchblade (BW)
*[[Thunderblast (Timelines)]] → Thunderblast (G1)
*[[Yoketron (Timelines)]] → Yoketron (G1)

The exceptions are the Descent into Evil characters, who don't really fit in any pre-existing franchise, and the Nexus Prime characters, who don't originate from a particular universe.
*[[Buzzclaw (Timelines)]]
*[[Dirge (Timelines)]]
*[[Flareup (Timelines)]]
*[[Landquake (Timelines)]]
*[[Ricochet (Timelines)]]
*[[Heatwave (Timelines)]]

Thoughts? Or does nobody really care that much? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 10:19, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:Since you asked, I'll pitch 2¢ into the conversation, since I know a little bit about it. I found out the hard way that wiki "doesn't bother with '(Timelines)' for Animated." And by hard way, I mean I was clobbered over the head without a hint of explanation for proposing that a Timelines-original Animated continuity character should be at "(Timelines)." But no hard feelings. I still think "franchise of origin" and not "continuity of origin" is best for disambiguations. For reasons that have been discussed previously on the subject. TransTech and SG are treated as a kind of sub-franchises of Timelines by the wiki, so I think they are an OK exception. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:00, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::The prose stories are identified as "Transformers Timelines presents a Transformers: (franchise) story". I would say that both franchises are equally valid to the stories, and the fact that non-Timelines stories (Around Cybertron, magazine comics, etc.) bleed together with Timelines stories makes the "(Timelines)" designation convoluted. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:12, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Well, that's different. It sounds like you are calling their actual franchise of origin into question, not just their disambiguation. I don't have an opinion about their actual franchise of origin. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:28, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::I'm not denying that they're Timelines, but saying that they're better categorized under their other franchise. Like the Animated guys, it seems more instinctive to file [[Side Burn (Timelines)]] under "Side Burn (G1)" instead (not to mention that there's other Side Burn in Timelines: [[Side Burn (SG)]]).[[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:38, 2 November 2011 (EDT)
I'm hesitating, but let me think about the ramifications. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I'd be fine with this. Though, one thing I'd like to propose is giving the Wings Universe characters their own disambiguation suffix. Like maybe "(Wings)" or something. I know it's a part of G1, but it's kinda like its own series within the over G1 continuity family like the Japanese G1 series are (which are also given their own suffixes such as "(Victory)", "(ROC)", "(BT)" etc.).

:Though, as for the Descent into Evil characters, maybe something like "(DIE)" or "(Descent)" or even just "(Descent into Evil)". Or, if not, keep them at "(Timelines)". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 11:51, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think the DIE guys are fine where they are (although you could argue moving [[Ricochet (Timelines)]] because of [[Ricochet (SG)]], but I don't really care). As for the Wings Universe guys getting their own disambiguation, eh... [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 12:02, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I am '''definitely absolutely''' against creating a (Wings) disambiguation when (G1) or (Timelines) work perfectly fine. We do NOT disambiguate by continuity except by absolute necessity within a franchise. Making up a (Wings) parenthetical just because incredibly confuses our disambiguation policy for no real reason. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:46, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::And what exactly keeps the Descent into Evil guys from being tagged G1? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:29, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Is the intermezzo period between G1 and BW considered G1 or BW?

:::It's all G1 characters... and IIRC the Insecticons were supposed ot be part of Insecticon plans which had been around for ages, so the characters weren't "BW-era only" characters...

:::I could support a G1 disambigif you talked me into it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:01, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::::DIE fiction (Descent into Evil itself and [[Intimidation Game]]) has elements of both BW and G1; it doesn't have a certain franchise placement. Dirge (Timelines) and Ricochet (Timelines) also have namesakes firmly in G1. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:14, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::::BW is both BW and G1. And G1 has been back-incorporating BW elements since, like, 1995. The fact DIE has G1 and BW doesn't mean it's part of neither. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:25, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

::I think that, by the nature of Timelines, it feels more natural to parse that specific set of characters by their continuity or parent-franchise of origin. Honestly, I think the Nexus components (''all'' of them) are really the best and only candidates for the Timelines parser.

::Also, I made a [http://digimon.wikia.com/wiki/Template:c quick template] that you guys could use here to simplify the coding for whenever you need to link a continuity-parsed name.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:37, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:::Unfortunately I don't think that template would work as well here, because our articles are not consistently named by franchise. For instance [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)]], [[Flattop (Autobot)]] and [[Impactor]] are all (G1) characters but don't use (G1) in their title, so the template wouldn't work for linking to them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:05, 2 November 2011 (EDT)

:I think that Timelines is a pretty clunky franchise for the purposes of this wiki, in that it covers multiple continuities. I think the proposal on the table makes sense.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:31, 3 November 2011 (EDT)

== Two spaces after a period in a sentence ==

I've noticed this for a while on the Wiki. In practice, it makes no difference as the software displays one space the same way it displays one. However, I've been wondering why people do it. Now I '''know: They''' were taught so in school. '''By teachers who were taught on friggin' ''typewriters''.''' So the "two spaces after a period" rule is a leftover from the typewriter days, where it was a necessity, but it's completely obsolete on computers. [http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2011/01/space_invaders.html Source]--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:16, 4 November 2011 (EDT)
:The sentence spacing rules were, in fact, developed by typographers, but were not phased out via the magical introduction of the personal computer. The em-space rule exists for monospaced fonts, which were still fairly common for a great number of printers through the mid-1980s. If you would like to begin a tyrannical series of grammar-based wiki edits, I would begin by avoiding the use of prepositions at the start of sentences. I would also advise some respect for the proper use of colons and semi-colons, as typographical errors should not take priority over proper word selection and punctuation. Cheers! --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 14:20, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Are you referring to sentences beginning with prepositional phrases for the sake of emphasis (also known as an introductory modifiers)? That's totally valid. Or do you mean idiocies such as relative clauses that are separated from the preceding main clause by a period instead of a comma? The most glaring typographic blunders I encounter on the wiki typically go hand in hand with awkwardly worded sentences and clunky terminology, so I'm inclined to assume the same person(s) is/are responsible for all of those.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::I have bolded an example. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:14, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Aw, you altered your post. No fair! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:16, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::::What'd I alter? I just moved it up. Anyway... I'd call that one "deliberate departure from proper grammar for the sake of dramatic emphasis". It's about as improper as using a period after ''every. Single. Word.'' If it's obvious from the context that it's done for emphasis, I'd call it acceptable as long as it's not used inflationary. I'm sure we have a few cases of "We know it's not proper grammar, but we want to stress a point here" on the wiki. (How did the saying go again? "Know the rules first before you break them"?)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 20:28, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:....or you can just set the bot to convert " " to " ". Since we don't output monospace font, or anything.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:22, 7 November 2011 (EST)
::Over the whole wiki, those extra spaces account for maybe 20kb of data, which I don't think is worth worrying about. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:21, 8 November 2011 (EST)
:::Typed text is typed text, and the double-space after a period is still correct. Shall we next be told that we're "wrong" for not having the wiki use the metric system, or for writing down dates with the month before the day instead of after it? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 8 November 2011 (EST)
::::Oh, and I bolded something too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:36, 8 November 2011 (EST)
Due to habit, I'm gonna double-space until I die. I really don't think that needs to be considered a problem. Is that really a problem? An extra millimeter between sentences? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:51, 8 November 2011 (EST)

Nevermore ''is'' right about it being mostly obsolete, but for purely technical reasons: All double (triple, etc.) spaces are collapsed down to one for display in HTML. If you want the extra spaces to actually be viewable as extra blank space, you have to use <tt>&</tt><tt></tt><tt>nbsp;</tt>. So if you double-space here on the wiki, it only shows up when you edit the page. For whatever that's worth. (Not really taking sides, just presenting the info.) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 06:08, 9 November 2011 (EST)

== More on the search box/"Transformers" everything ==

Typing "Energon" into the search box does not give me [[Energon (franchise)]], [[Energon (cartoon)]] or [[Energon (toyline)]] as top results. Same for "Cybertron". I assume this has to do with the recent "Transformers" prefixing for article titles. However, typing "Animated" into the seach box ''does'' give me franchise and toyline as top results, so it should be ''possible'' despite the prefixing.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:It's purely alphabetical, dude. ''Animated'' shows up before ''Arcee (Animated)'' because "An" precedes "Ar", whereas ''Arcee (Energon)'' comes up before ''Energon'' because "A" precedes "E". --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 08:13, 6 November 2011 (EST)
::There's an option in the search suggest tool to limit the results to stuff starting with the search query rather than with stuff with the term anywhere in their titles, however it's not something that can be configured through MediaWiki. There's a bit of discussion about it in the "Making the search suggestion work better" section up above. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 14:36, 6 November 2011 (EST)
:::If we wanted to do ''that'', when we shouldn't have prefixed "Transformers:" before hundreds of articles 3 weeks ago. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:06, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::We still have the titles without "Transformers: " as redirects though, so they'll still show up. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:23, 19 November 2011 (EST)

== Spam-dalism ==

Is that the neologism for it? Anyway, somehow the ReCaptcha is failing to stop the automated spam, and I'm guessing the IP's are all very different.

How old are the accounts when they do this? If they're fairly new, would it be possible to simply block IPs and new accounts from inserting new external links? If not (or if that's unworkable), would it be possible to flag such edits for review the way that wikipedia does to edits on contested pages?

Also, is there any chance these are at least coming from the same proxy? The fact that they're getting past ReCaptcha makes it seem like these are actual people doing this, unless ReCaptcha only activates on certain namespaces.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 14:25, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:I was using captcha with images on my phpBB installation on another site (Doctor Who related) until yesterday and getting a half dozen spammers a day signing up in despite of it. Yesterday I switched to a Question Answer challenge which asks the person registering to name the main character's time machine, and so far it has stopped the spammers dead.
:MediaWiki has [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:QuestyCaptcha QuestyCaptcha] which looks like it works in exactly the same way, and works with the ConfirmEdit extension we already have installed. If we can get that installed and set up, it might be more effective than the image-based system we use now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:39, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::What would the questions be? It can't be too obvious or too obscure. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:31, 18 November 2011 (EST)
:::Not necessarily. The question I'm using on my Doctor Who site is obvious if you have any knowledge at all of the source material, but it seems to be working. We can always start with something easy and see how we go. Most likely all of the spammers are using bots anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:49, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::"What is the name of the red-and-blue semi Autobot?", "What's the name of the blue casette player Decepticon?", or "What is the name of the yellow semi Micromaster Autobot with a hydraulic crane?"[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 17:50, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::: "What is the fandom's usual reaction when a new franchise is announced?" :p [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:56, 18 November 2011 (EST)
::::::<tt>If Dick has two apples and Jane has two apples, how many apples do they have? (3 letters.)</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:09, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::Ah, but then it would be so easy for users to use only three exclamation marks, and forget the requisite four exclamation marks and a 1.
::No but yeah, a question helps a lot. Might even be worth doing for all IP edits and new accounts, not just those with external links.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 15:57, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::While we're on the subject, is it somehow possible to flag certain terms or words used by IP editors and auto-block them? *coughcoughobamacoughcough*[[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 16:31, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::...but we have an article on [[Barry Obama]].
:::Are you trying to whitewash the wiki? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:13, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::: It was just an academic question; after all, I'm sure that you've noticed our considerable problem with a certain IP editor lately. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:19, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::: Well yes... but I couldn't resist. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:43, 19 November 2011 (EST)
:::It's getting to the point where I'm thinking a temp ban on the whole ISP might get better results. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:51, 19 November 2011 (EST)
::::sooo...who would you need to talk to about getting this set up, and what exactly do you want to restrict?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 19:45, 21 November 2011 (EST)
:::::The guy whose IP addresses are always located in England who keeps vandalizing articles with Obama-related nonsense. Doesn't look like even banning IP ranges stops him. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 11:01, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:::::...so, there's no way to stop this lunatic? [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 11:09, 22 November 2011 (EST)
:Options, in order of severity:
#Block all new uses of the word "Obama" to all anonymous editors.
#Block anonymous editors entirely.
#Destroy England.
:But really, that's a separate issue with probably a separate solution, since the guy is a some kind of being. To deal with the spamdalism, I think you guys should add a "name that Transformer-mon!" question, which should cut down heavily on automated edits, and if they still get through, look at blocking all uses of external links for anonymous or new editors. The use of the question for all IP edits is fairly standard, so it should be easy to implement, and you can look into harsher measures if the bots still make it through. However, I really think you guys should make an effort to get this setup, because the conversation keeps kind of drifting down and the vandalism keeps happening.[[Special:Contributions/98.223.102.157|98.223.102.157]] 02:29, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:: On another note... isn't it cute how he keps trying to badly pass himself off as me? I think someone has a bad case of hero-worship. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 10:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:::Please stop egging on vandals. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 11:05, 23 November 2011 (EST)
::: OK, on a more serious note, is anyone averse to just locking the wiki for a few days? Bulbapedia does it regularily and they don't have much of a vandalism problem. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 12:36, 23 November 2011 (EST)
Removing the "Undo" option for anons would help, at the very least. We need a regular tech person (or give abates access to the MediaWiki stuff, since he seems to know his way around). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:12, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::: What if we implemented a captcha system for anon edits? I mean, it wouldn't ''stop'' them, per se, but it would make persistent vandalism wars a hassle. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:16, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::I would not be opposed to that, or simple stock questions. ("Who is the leader of the Autobots?", "What is two plus three?", etc.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:23, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:::: Rodimus Prime? :p
::::: But seriously, how did Mr. Obama Guy get past the rangeblock? Because that's rather worrysome in and of itself. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 14:26, 25 November 2011 (EST)
::::::BT Internet has a lot of IP ranges. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:58, 25 November 2011 (EST)

Okay. Listen. 
1) CAPTCHA won't change crap. It ''might'' stop a small number of bot edits, but we have a large, active mod presence that basically polices this place around the clock, and any of those crappy ad pages can be eliminated in mere minutes, if not within seconds of their creation. 
2) There is basically '''''NOTHING''''' that can be done to ''stop'' someone who has decided that the best use of their time is constant, repeated, easily-reverted vandalism of a wiki. Well, okay there are a few options, but they're not ones any kind of wiki coding is gonna be part of. They'll find ways around bans, and all these automated things that are being suggested are basically shooting blind and wasting time. This is not remotely the first time someone has thought to do this. It won't be the last. But we've outlasted all those others. And that's all it takes. Again... that large active 24-hour admin presence that quickly and coolly reverts the vandalism ''without getting all butthurt''. That's what vandals want, to watch you get pissy and panicky and angry... ''and that's what you're giving them.'' So '''''shut up''''' and stop feeding that, then they'll eventually get bored and leave. 
3) I can perhaps get behind removing the "Undo" option for anons. I don't think though that it will really help much, since making an account takes what, a few seconds? 
--[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:38, 25 November 2011 (EST)
:Um. I don't want to offend anyone, but the Obama-guy thing ''really'' isn't related to this topic, although some of the solutions to the spamdalism thing might work to hinder him. The bigger issue is the guys spamming the wiki with links to knockoff viagra, sort of thing, and putting up a simple question system for anons and new editors would work to stop that almost completely, at least everywhere I've seen it in use.
:The mod presence, yeah, things eventually get cleaned up by the end of the day, but a simple, standard change like adding the question will prevent that from happening in the first place.[[Special:Contributions/99.39.88.159|99.39.88.159]] 22:44, 26 November 2011 (EST)
:Just to alleviate any concerns: In my experience, the question captcha does not prevent human edits except from the most severely uninformed editors, and it completely prevents the bot-spam, which at this point almost totally covers the RC when I happen to check it. Many other independent wikis, such as Halopedian, use the question captcha, so if you guys wanted a first-person POV on it, you could also ask them for their experiences. Basically, the captcha question should totally eliminate the bot-spam, with the only drawback being that it adds maybe a fraction of a second to anonymous human edits. So, given that, does anyone have any objections to adding the captcha question?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.196|192.249.47.196]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)--(same anon as throughout this topic)

== Spelling throughout the Wiki ==

I've found that, on multiple spots on the Wiki, there are UK English spellings of words. Now, I know that the Transformers Wiki is a country-spanning project, but I'd like a consensus on whether or not we should change incidences of UK spellings (like "practise" and "polarize") to their American English counterparts. A streamlined flow using only one dialect would, I believe, make the editing process much easier. However, I do not want a backlash from UK users. 
P.S.: Damn you, Webster! You and your new-world dictionary! [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 18:09, 23 November 2011 (EST)
:[[Help:Style guide#National varieties of English|Here is the wiki's policy on the subject]] just so you know. I myself don't think it needs changing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 18:20, 23 November 2011 (EST)

== Why are the IDW books in G1? ==

Going by our own Continuity Family article the concept is pretty much akin to TvTropes Broad Strokes, a rough outline of somewhat similar events. If the IDW comics are explicitly stated to be a REBOOT of G1, how do they count as part of that continuity family if Animated and the Film Series dont, which ostensibly could also be called G1 Reboots. Classic aspects, such as the Ark/Nemesis Crash Landing and dormancy , Unicron's attack as seen in the movie (which was more or less is continuity across G1) and hell, even there Beast Wars don't really sync up with past Family history. Does a reboot of G1 really count as G1? Say what you will about Dreamwave, but at least they TRIED to fir it in to some semblance of G1 Continuity, this seems to be more like a full start over, akin to Aligned or RID ((before the Japanese got to it.) {{unsigned|158.103.0.1}}
:Uggghhhhhh. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:09, 1 December 2011 (EST)
:Yeahhh, you not understanding the concept of Continuity Families particularly well.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 16:30, 1 December 2011 (EST)

::Other continuities within the G1 continuity family also eschew some of those classic aspects. In [[Action Blast 1]], for instance, the Autobots crash on present-day Earth and they don't hang around in stasis for millions of years. I don't think there's really a template of specific events that a G1 continuity has to stick to. That would hamper storytelling too much. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 16:59, 1 December 2011 (EST)

:::Also, they share a lot of the same characters, body designs, and personalities. Granted, some of them are common across the multiverse, but things like Megatron becoming a gun and Optimus Prime as a flatnosed tractor-trailer are distinctly G1-ish. [[User:Tom Servo the Great|Tom Servo the Great]] 17:29, 1 December 2011 (EST)
::::FYI: [[Talk:IDW Generation 1 continuity#New evidence that IDW is not G1|Previous discussion here]]. Yes, on the one hand, it is G1 because it uses the G1 cast of characters for the most part, and most of those pretty much have the same personality as their G1 bio card as on their G1 counterparts (with the significant exception of their gimmicks). On the other hand, [http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?p=143991#143991 an artist] has said it is not G1, so it isn't entirely crazy to say it isn't G1. The universe itself doesn't seem particularly G1. It is like a different universe populated with G1 guys. The Micromasters aren't Cybertronain (I think), so a whole class of G1 Transformers aren't Transformers which sounds like a different universe. In short, it mostly makes sense for the wiki to organize it under G1 so they don't have to duplicate character pages with characters with mostly the same intro paragraph. But don't take it too seriously, it isn't official or anything. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:54, 1 December 2011 (EST)
::::: No, that’s not what I’m saying. What I mean is that there seems to be no CANON justification for why IDW is considered G1. Especially because it lacks the links of similar G1 works, it’s never been verified as such by the creators (as far as I know) and it’s “G1-ness” is tentative at best.

:::::IDW really doesn’t have as strong a link as or other G1 families. They all either were marketed as direct extensions to the original 80s ‘Toon and Comic adaptations (Gen 2 and Dreamwave ) established “next gen” sequels (Beast Era) Inserts into Gen 1 (Alternators and much of Japan’s stuff) Or add ons to particular points of the G1 timeline (Classics, Dreamwave) hell Timelines might count as a little bit of all of these. IDW really has no direct link.

:::::That leaves us to the creators, and when it’s referred as such by them they use the term "reboot” or the like. Hell Simon Furman, architect of a large section of G1, straight up called it an ‘Ultimate’ version in his CBR interview. And Don Fig doesn’t consider it G1 at all.

:::::Even then we look at why we call it G1 it causes all kinds of fallacies. Relying ion art style to tell families (as said in our very own article) leads to insanity, as characters change appearances across media ostensibly in eths same family all the time (for example WFC and Prime) likewise the “G1" aspects, such as personality, and looks, have been used both in the Transformers Film and Animated families, and yet we don’t consider them G1 despite both being just about the same kind of reboot on it IDW is. They incorporate a version of the Beast Ear into their timeline but assuming a connection with their main IDW addition, it’s just as differing as Aligned or Animated version of the Beast era would be.

:::::I’m not trying to rock the boat I se4riously would just like to know if there’s any official, canon, or Hasbro/Creator data that states IDW as a version of G1, because right now I’m not seeing it.

:::::Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be seen as the "young turk" coming into old pros territory and rocking the boat against guys who have been studying this since before I was born, but I just picked up a bunch of Simon Furman stuff from [[http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Image:Marvelcomicscontinuity.jpg The old comics]] as well as the big two volume IDW packs and they just don't fit at all. They're as different from G1 as the Films, Animated or RID are. I don't think we should makes assumptions and leaps of logic just for convenience's sake, kind belies the purpose of a wiki, ya know?
::::::This is a ridiculous amount of navel-gazing to get past the point that IDW continuity is just G1 in new dressing and not a new franchise of its own. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:42, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::By that terminology ALL of Transformers media is Just "g1 in a new dressing" by the virtue of G1 starting the franchise.
::::::::That is not what I mean by "franchise". Please don't be obtuse. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 02:05, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::::::Considering new Generation 1 toys keep being made in the style of IDW design, that that firmly cements the stuff as being G1 in Hasbro's eyes. And the fact that they are constantly using Generation 1-style character aesthetics, personalizations and the freaking '''original font''' on the titles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:35, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::The wiki's more confident about calling it G1 than even Hasbro, which calls the toys "Generations." Wiki organization is one thing, but we act more like it is a fact than it actually is. "Generation 1" doesn't really exist anymore. Hasbro is a little ashamed of it. Or at least doesn't want to pigeon-hole their toys and comics as being old-school. The [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] page as a "Generation 1" logo on top. That doesn't really reflect reality which is more hazy. Maybe "Generations" is the new "Generation 1" or something. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:56, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::To use your Simon Furman point against you, saying that IDW is not G1 is kind of like saying that Ultimate Marvel is not part of the Marvel Multiverse. It may be fairly different, but it is undeniably the same basic characters and situations. Also, I never have figured out why anyone really cares what the creative teams think, anything they say can be overruled by Hasbro at any time. Even after it has been published. Only Hasbro's opinion really matters.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:07, 2 December 2011 (EST)
Discussed ad nauseum years ago. Nothing new has been added to the conversation since. Not changing. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:13, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::::::Aesthetics have already been disavowed as a valid ground for Continuity Pedigree, most notably with the Aligned Family. if Hasbro itself hasn’t recognized it as G1, hasn’t directly tied it to a previous G1 work, and if the writers and artists themselves don’t consider it G1, how is it legitimate to denote it as G1 based on our interpretation. Especially given such ethereal "evidence" as the looks of toys and ''fonts'' of all things.

:::::::::Hasbro has yet to give any word. And also the Marvel analogy wont work, because while Marvel has but ONE Multiverse composed of several individual universes. The TF Multiverse is a collection of Universal Streams, each roughly following the same vents with several different interpretations over key events. It's like comparing diffirent versions of the Bible as rather than like comparing the Bible against the Koran.

:::::::::M Sipher, would you do an FYI link? I've seen the discussion over on IDW Continuity’s Main page and the quibbles on the main Continuity Family but never any hard decree from an authority based on reasoning any more firm than convenience. I'm simply trying to hold IDW to the standards of the other G1 works on the wiki, all of which have '''in-canon''' links to versions of G1, or else are stated as such by the Companies.

:99% of all IDW characters are G1 characters, based on their original G1 counterparts. The different origins of some characters (Arcee) are no different than varying origins between the original cartoon and Marvel Comics (Grimlock, Technobots). Compared to the Aurex universes, where only Optimus, Megatron and Starscream consistently fit the G1 character archetypes, whereas most other characters are clearly just name reuses (Red Alert, Cyclonus, Jetfire, etc). Even Malgus and Tyran, both clearly closer to the G1 continuity than Aurex, have clearly distinctive character differences. IDW Bumblebee is clearly a variation on the original G1 Bumblebee, whereas Movie 'Bee and Animated Bumblebee are approximate extrapolations, see also Ironhide, Ratchet, Jazz, and so on.
:IDW is a G1 universe that has expanded beyond the original G1 concepts, but not the characters themselves. Trying something new is not the same as abandoning the underlying foundation. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 11:47, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:I'm sure there are other examples, but Prowl, Sunstreaker, and Sideswipe have appeared in their Universe Classics series bodies while Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp have appeared in their Masterpiece bodies. All of those are undoubted G1 toys. Either IDW is G1 or those toys are being repurposed. All things considered it seems most parsimonious to classify IDW as a part of G1. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:56, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::Masterpiece is a franchise. Classics series is G1continuity family but it isn't G1franchise. Unfortunately, "G1" can mean different things. Just so everyone is on the same page, the wiki treats IDW as being part of the G1 ''[[franchise]]''. For example, on the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] it has the G1 franchise logo. Is that what this discussion is about, or is the discussion about if IDW is part of the G1 continuity family? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:28, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::The original poster said continuity family. I do consider IDW a different franchise within the G1 continuity family. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:39, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::Oh, OK. Anyone else? Show of hands? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:04, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::But does the use of Character analogous to G1 interpretations define it as a G1 series? This really comes don to whether we define continuity families as being overlays of roughly similar events (as in Tvtropes Broad Strokes) or whether we are tying versions of characters as the archetype from which it is based. If you're taking side new altmodes and differences like Goldbug and Galvatron is being "based" on G1 to a degree enough to allot status within the family? At that point we might as well make a spectrum of "G1-ness" and start arbitrarily cutting everything. As it stands now our definitions of Families are based off there uniqueness of story and universe content, and IDW differs significantly from any other G1 work.
:::So does ''Hearts of Steel''. Shall we consider that a separate family as well? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 13:11, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::As the line of books it was from was cancled de jure that cnat really be elaborated on. (Although it's G1 staus was controversial to start with, it being the TF equivilant to a What if or Elseworlds) But HoS was never devolved as an obstensive reboot, rather an Alt-universe portyal that gets put in G1 by the same stroke as the Sg-verse. (if we diidnt have it's Universal Stream number to go by). IDW on the contrary was billed as a reboot, the same way aligned is being done now. Couple that with the radical (and debatedly unparalleled ) story alterations and you have apples and oranges. Though really teh entire "G1 by default" mindset is pretty off-putting. Heck it might even work as a really big Mirco-Contunity. Pardoxial as that sounds.
:::I was under the impression that the character archetypes were a major part of what makes a continuity family. These problems really only arise with G1 because it is the only family that has had multiple continuations and reboots and additions for decades after its debut. The RID, Unicron Trilogy and Animated continuity families have been pretty well limited to their original period of release (not ''entirely'' so but with only a few minor exceptions). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:42, 2 December 2011 (EST)
:::::I think this is really down to the fact that Continuity & Franchises is just too darn confusing. Not to mention that there can be disparate continuities within a franchise and different franchises can make up a continuity, all of which fit into the over-arching Continuity Family. Obviously there must be enough in common in order to include any new franchise into an existing Family, or to take the leap and create a new Continuity Family. Does new media have to have enough in common with the progenitor of a Continuity Family to be included? Or merely use aspects of the varying franchises of said Continuity Family? With G1 ''all'' of the supporting media has strayed from the originating cartoon, but kept enough characterizations, and broad timelines within the Family. RID, Animated, Aligned, etc have all maintained aspects of 'Transformers' but been significantly different from each other to establish there places as individual Continuity Families. Whereas IDW is disparate from these Families, and other than story lines (which have to change be definition) most closely fits G1. In order to argue IDW being a new Continuity Family you would have to prove that it is different enough from other existing Continuity Families & G1, which doesn't fit given the IDW timeline, characters and mythology, it is all based off of G1 franchises.[[User:Yuppie|Yuppie]] 19:04, 2 December 2011 (EST)
::::::I just want to point out that the G1 cartoon ISN'T the "originating" source. That would be the TOYS. And the comic work came before the cartoon. So... yeah. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:15, 2 December 2011 (EST)

==Beast Wars Neo Sausage is gone!==
The page was deleted for some reason. It was marked as vandalism, but as I'm sure some of you know it actually existed. -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 22:36, 2 December 2011 (EST)

Autobot Mini-Cassette

2011-10-05T02:35:41Z

Terrortron: /* Generation 1 */ alphabetized

{{factions|autobot}}
:''The Autobot cassettes are a sub-group of [[Autobot]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Spotlight-blaster-cover-color.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What's their hurry? The band is playing [[The Touch]], so it must be something important.]]
The '''Autobot Mini-Cassettes''' are [[Autobot]]s who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog audio cassettes. They can fit into [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Blaster varies depending on continuity.

{{quote|The Autobots have no choice but to strike back at these Decepticon techniques of stealth, building a force of cassette Transformers of their own, with Blaster as their guardian.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Known Autobot Mini-Cassettes==
===Generation 1===
*[[Eject]]
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]]
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]] combine to form [[Slamdance (G1)|Slamdance]]
*[[Nightstalker]]
*[[Playback]] (A comic-only character) {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]]
*[[Rewind]]
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]]
*[[Stinger (G1)|Stinger]] (A non-existent scorpion cassette from an early draft of the script of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'')
*[[Stripes]]
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]]
*[[Sundor]]
*The [[W Cassettebot]]s
**[[Dial]] and [[Saur]] combine to form [[Legout]]
**[[Graphy]] and [[Noise]] combine to form [[Decibel]]

*''Possibly'' [[Blackcat (G1)|Blackcat]] (A character based on [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]) {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18}}

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]]

==Fiction==
{{charstubfiction}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
During the attack on [[Autobot City]], Blaster attempted to radio Prime for reinforcements on [[Moonbase One]]. [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] detected the transmission and sent his Cassettes to prevent the broadcast. Once [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and the others breached the communications tower, Blaster ejected Ramhorn, Steeljaw, Rewind and Eject to match the Decepticon punks mano-y-mano. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

After [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] detected chronal energy emanating from an asteroid near Cybertron, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] sent a squad of Autobots with him to investigate, including Blaster with Ramhorn and Rewind. They encountered a [[Quintesson]] expedition and a school of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s, which Ramhorn relished in ramming repeatedly. During the fight, however, the Autobots accidentally passed through the Quintessons' [[Time Window]], arriving 11 million years in the past. They met [[Beta (G1)|Beta]], and took up arms in the original Cybertronian revolution against the Quintessons. They held the line against the [[Dark Guardian]]s long enough for the Autobots of 2006 to return the revolution's leader [[Alpha Trion (G1)|A3]] from the future. As A3 turned the [[Coda Remote]] on the Guardians, the Autobots returned to the present through the time window. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

{{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}
{{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

During a Decepticon outbreak in Europe, Ramhorn and Steeljaw fought alongside [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and the other Autobots against [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s forces. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Ramhorn and Steeljaw were among the Primitives called to stop [[Primacron]]'s latest experiment. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====Scramble City====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}
{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}
{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}}
{{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}
{{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}
{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}
{{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}{{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}
{{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
Playback was a prisoner of the Decepticons on Cybertron. Along with [[Hosehead]] and [[Horsepower (G1)|Horsepower]], he was released into the wild on Earth to be hunted down by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] as part of his initiation as a new Decepticon leader. He was the first of the trio Thunderwing tracked down and executed, leaving his corpse to rust on a shallow beach. {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
By 2008, Eject was stationed at Autobase on Cybertron, working communications for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].

Meanwhile on Earth, the [[Quintesson]]s invaded [[Autobot City]], devastating most of the base's population. Rewind, Steeljaw, and Ramhorn were stationed there, but got trapped inside Blaster's chest when he was blasted off-line and hung on the ramparts. A quick-thinking [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] realized where they'd be and managed to free them. The Mini-Cassettes joined Hot Rod and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] in retaking Autobot City from the Quints. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

====Generation 2====
Steeljaw was part of a squad of Autobots dispatched to Earth when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] learned [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was still alive and active. He was killed in battle by Megatron's hyper-velocity rail gun, a deadly weapon created by [[Cobra]]. {{storylink|Final Transformations}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
During the [[Age of Internment]], Blaster and his Mini-Cassettes were allied with [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and the remaining free Autobots against Megatron. Their twin goals were to bring down the legions of the [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], and somehow locate the long-missing Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

Millions of years later, the Mini-Cassettes joined Blaster as part of ''another'' rebellion, this time against [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the corrupt Unified Cybertronian government. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

===G.I. Joe vs the Transformers===
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2|Black Horizon Part 1}}
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
{{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 27|Steeljaw's ''Shattered Glass'' profile}}

Steeljaw was so vigorously dedicated to his napping that he couldn't spare the energy to swat away the annoying Decepticon, [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]. {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #1}}

==Toys==
===Eject/Rewind mold===
*[[Eject]] (1986)
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]] (2006)
*[[Rewind]] (1986)
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]] (2006)

===Steeljaw mold===
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (1986)
*[[Nightstalker]] (2012)

===Combiners===
*[[Dial]]/[[Saur]] (1987)
*[[Graphy]]/[[Noise]] (1987)
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]]/[[Raindance]] (1988)

===Others===
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (1986)
*[[Stripes]] (2012)
*[[Sundor]] (2006)

==Notes==
* For the original draft of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', it was intended that the Autobot Mini-Cassettes would be "[[Steeljaw (G1)|CUBBIE]], a lion, [[Stripes|STRIPES]], a tiger, [[Stinger (G1)|STINGER]], a scorpion and [[Eject|BO]][[Rewind|LTS]], a small, tough robot."<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.html TFTM script draft at Disciples of Boltax]</ref> This plan was maintained for a few revisions,<ref>[http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/transformers.html Early script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'' at dailyscript.com]</ref> until eventually Stinger and Stripes were scrapped, Cubbie was renamed to Steeljaw, Bolts was split into Eject and Rewind, and the rhinoceros Ramhorn was added to the mix.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettbot''' (カセットボット ''Kasettobotto'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Autobot]]
[[Category:The Headmasters subgroups]]

Autobot Mini-Cassette

2011-10-05T02:24:37Z

Terrortron: /* Generation 1 */

{{factions|autobot}}
:''The Autobot cassettes are a sub-group of [[Autobot]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Spotlight-blaster-cover-color.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What's their hurry? The band is playing [[The Touch]], so it must be something important.]]
The '''Autobot Mini-Cassettes''' are [[Autobot]]s who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog audio cassettes. They can fit into [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Blaster varies depending on continuity.

{{quote|The Autobots have no choice but to strike back at these Decepticon techniques of stealth, building a force of cassette Transformers of their own, with Blaster as their guardian.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Known Autobot Mini-Cassettes==
===Generation 1===
*[[Eject]]
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]]
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]] combine to form [[Slamdance (G1)|Slamdance]]
*[[Playback]] (A comic-only character) {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]]
*[[Rewind]]
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]]
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]]
*[[Sundor]]
*The [[W Cassettebot]]s
**[[Dial]] and [[Saur]] combine to form [[Legout]]
**[[Graphy]] and [[Noise]] combine to form [[Decibel]]

*[[Nightstalker]]
*[[Stripes]]
*[[Stinger (G1)|Stinger]] (A non-existent scorpion cassette from an early draft of the script of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'')
*''Possibly'' [[Blackcat (G1)|Blackcat]] (A character based on [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]) {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18}}

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]]

==Fiction==
{{charstubfiction}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
During the attack on [[Autobot City]], Blaster attempted to radio Prime for reinforcements on [[Moonbase One]]. [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] detected the transmission and sent his Cassettes to prevent the broadcast. Once [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and the others breached the communications tower, Blaster ejected Ramhorn, Steeljaw, Rewind and Eject to match the Decepticon punks mano-y-mano. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

After [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] detected chronal energy emanating from an asteroid near Cybertron, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] sent a squad of Autobots with him to investigate, including Blaster with Ramhorn and Rewind. They encountered a [[Quintesson]] expedition and a school of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s, which Ramhorn relished in ramming repeatedly. During the fight, however, the Autobots accidentally passed through the Quintessons' [[Time Window]], arriving 11 million years in the past. They met [[Beta (G1)|Beta]], and took up arms in the original Cybertronian revolution against the Quintessons. They held the line against the [[Dark Guardian]]s long enough for the Autobots of 2006 to return the revolution's leader [[Alpha Trion (G1)|A3]] from the future. As A3 turned the [[Coda Remote]] on the Guardians, the Autobots returned to the present through the time window. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

{{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}
{{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

During a Decepticon outbreak in Europe, Ramhorn and Steeljaw fought alongside [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and the other Autobots against [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s forces. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Ramhorn and Steeljaw were among the Primitives called to stop [[Primacron]]'s latest experiment. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====Scramble City====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}
{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}
{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}}
{{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}
{{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}
{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}
{{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}{{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}
{{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
Playback was a prisoner of the Decepticons on Cybertron. Along with [[Hosehead]] and [[Horsepower (G1)|Horsepower]], he was released into the wild on Earth to be hunted down by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] as part of his initiation as a new Decepticon leader. He was the first of the trio Thunderwing tracked down and executed, leaving his corpse to rust on a shallow beach. {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
By 2008, Eject was stationed at Autobase on Cybertron, working communications for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].

Meanwhile on Earth, the [[Quintesson]]s invaded [[Autobot City]], devastating most of the base's population. Rewind, Steeljaw, and Ramhorn were stationed there, but got trapped inside Blaster's chest when he was blasted off-line and hung on the ramparts. A quick-thinking [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] realized where they'd be and managed to free them. The Mini-Cassettes joined Hot Rod and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] in retaking Autobot City from the Quints. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

====Generation 2====
Steeljaw was part of a squad of Autobots dispatched to Earth when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] learned [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was still alive and active. He was killed in battle by Megatron's hyper-velocity rail gun, a deadly weapon created by [[Cobra]]. {{storylink|Final Transformations}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
During the [[Age of Internment]], Blaster and his Mini-Cassettes were allied with [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and the remaining free Autobots against Megatron. Their twin goals were to bring down the legions of the [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], and somehow locate the long-missing Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

Millions of years later, the Mini-Cassettes joined Blaster as part of ''another'' rebellion, this time against [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the corrupt Unified Cybertronian government. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

===G.I. Joe vs the Transformers===
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2|Black Horizon Part 1}}
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
{{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 27|Steeljaw's ''Shattered Glass'' profile}}

Steeljaw was so vigorously dedicated to his napping that he couldn't spare the energy to swat away the annoying Decepticon, [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]. {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #1}}

==Toys==
===Eject/Rewind mold===
*[[Eject]] (1986)
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]] (2006)
*[[Rewind]] (1986)
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]] (2006)

===Steeljaw mold===
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (1986)
*[[Nightstalker]] (2012)

===Combiners===
*[[Dial]]/[[Saur]] (1987)
*[[Graphy]]/[[Noise]] (1987)
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]]/[[Raindance]] (1988)

===Others===
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (1986)
*[[Stripes]] (2012)
*[[Sundor]] (2006)

==Notes==
* For the original draft of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', it was intended that the Autobot Mini-Cassettes would be "[[Steeljaw (G1)|CUBBIE]], a lion, [[Stripes|STRIPES]], a tiger, [[Stinger (G1)|STINGER]], a scorpion and [[Eject|BO]][[Rewind|LTS]], a small, tough robot."<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.html TFTM script draft at Disciples of Boltax]</ref> This plan was maintained for a few revisions,<ref>[http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/transformers.html Early script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'' at dailyscript.com]</ref> until eventually Stinger and Stripes were scrapped, Cubbie was renamed to Steeljaw, Bolts was split into Eject and Rewind, and the rhinoceros Ramhorn was added to the mix.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettbot''' (カセットボット ''Kasettobotto'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Autobot]]
[[Category:The Headmasters subgroups]]

Autobot Mini-Cassette

2011-10-05T02:23:50Z

Terrortron: /* Generation 1 */

{{factions|autobot}}
:''The Autobot cassettes are a sub-group of [[Autobot]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Spotlight-blaster-cover-color.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What's their hurry? The band is playing [[The Touch]], so it must be something important.]]
The '''Autobot Mini-Cassettes''' are [[Autobot]]s who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog audio cassettes. They can fit into [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Blaster varies depending on continuity.

{{quote|The Autobots have no choice but to strike back at these Decepticon techniques of stealth, building a force of cassette Transformers of their own, with Blaster as their guardian.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Known Autobot Mini-Cassettes==
===Generation 1===
*[[Eject]]
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]]
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]] combine to form [[Slamdance (G1)|Slamdance]]
*[[Playback]] (A comic-only character) {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]]
*[[Rewind]]
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]]
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]]
*[[Sundor]]
*The [[W Cassettebot]]s
**[[Dial]] and [[Saur]] combine to form [[Legout]]
**[[Graphy]] and [[Noise]] combine to form [[Decibel]]

*[[Nightstalker]]
*[[Stripes]]
*[[Stinger (G1)|Stinger]] (A scorpion cassette from an early draft of the script of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'')
*''Possibly'' [[Blackcat (G1)|Blackcat]] (A character based on [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]) {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18}}

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]]

==Fiction==
{{charstubfiction}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
During the attack on [[Autobot City]], Blaster attempted to radio Prime for reinforcements on [[Moonbase One]]. [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] detected the transmission and sent his Cassettes to prevent the broadcast. Once [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and the others breached the communications tower, Blaster ejected Ramhorn, Steeljaw, Rewind and Eject to match the Decepticon punks mano-y-mano. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

After [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] detected chronal energy emanating from an asteroid near Cybertron, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] sent a squad of Autobots with him to investigate, including Blaster with Ramhorn and Rewind. They encountered a [[Quintesson]] expedition and a school of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s, which Ramhorn relished in ramming repeatedly. During the fight, however, the Autobots accidentally passed through the Quintessons' [[Time Window]], arriving 11 million years in the past. They met [[Beta (G1)|Beta]], and took up arms in the original Cybertronian revolution against the Quintessons. They held the line against the [[Dark Guardian]]s long enough for the Autobots of 2006 to return the revolution's leader [[Alpha Trion (G1)|A3]] from the future. As A3 turned the [[Coda Remote]] on the Guardians, the Autobots returned to the present through the time window. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

{{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}
{{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

During a Decepticon outbreak in Europe, Ramhorn and Steeljaw fought alongside [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and the other Autobots against [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s forces. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Ramhorn and Steeljaw were among the Primitives called to stop [[Primacron]]'s latest experiment. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====Scramble City====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}
{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}
{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}}
{{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}
{{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}
{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}
{{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}{{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}
{{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
Playback was a prisoner of the Decepticons on Cybertron. Along with [[Hosehead]] and [[Horsepower (G1)|Horsepower]], he was released into the wild on Earth to be hunted down by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] as part of his initiation as a new Decepticon leader. He was the first of the trio Thunderwing tracked down and executed, leaving his corpse to rust on a shallow beach. {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
By 2008, Eject was stationed at Autobase on Cybertron, working communications for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].

Meanwhile on Earth, the [[Quintesson]]s invaded [[Autobot City]], devastating most of the base's population. Rewind, Steeljaw, and Ramhorn were stationed there, but got trapped inside Blaster's chest when he was blasted off-line and hung on the ramparts. A quick-thinking [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] realized where they'd be and managed to free them. The Mini-Cassettes joined Hot Rod and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] in retaking Autobot City from the Quints. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

====Generation 2====
Steeljaw was part of a squad of Autobots dispatched to Earth when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] learned [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was still alive and active. He was killed in battle by Megatron's hyper-velocity rail gun, a deadly weapon created by [[Cobra]]. {{storylink|Final Transformations}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
During the [[Age of Internment]], Blaster and his Mini-Cassettes were allied with [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and the remaining free Autobots against Megatron. Their twin goals were to bring down the legions of the [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], and somehow locate the long-missing Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

Millions of years later, the Mini-Cassettes joined Blaster as part of ''another'' rebellion, this time against [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the corrupt Unified Cybertronian government. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

===G.I. Joe vs the Transformers===
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2|Black Horizon Part 1}}
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
{{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 27|Steeljaw's ''Shattered Glass'' profile}}

Steeljaw was so vigorously dedicated to his napping that he couldn't spare the energy to swat away the annoying Decepticon, [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]. {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #1}}

==Toys==
===Eject/Rewind mold===
*[[Eject]] (1986)
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]] (2006)
*[[Rewind]] (1986)
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]] (2006)

===Steeljaw mold===
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (1986)
*[[Nightstalker]] (2012)

===Combiners===
*[[Dial]]/[[Saur]] (1987)
*[[Graphy]]/[[Noise]] (1987)
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]]/[[Raindance]] (1988)

===Others===
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (1986)
*[[Stripes]] (2012)
*[[Sundor]] (2006)

==Notes==
* For the original draft of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', it was intended that the Autobot Mini-Cassettes would be "[[Steeljaw (G1)|CUBBIE]], a lion, [[Stripes|STRIPES]], a tiger, [[Stinger (G1)|STINGER]], a scorpion and [[Eject|BO]][[Rewind|LTS]], a small, tough robot."<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.html TFTM script draft at Disciples of Boltax]</ref> This plan was maintained for a few revisions,<ref>[http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/transformers.html Early script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'' at dailyscript.com]</ref> until eventually Stinger and Stripes were scrapped, Cubbie was renamed to Steeljaw, Bolts was split into Eject and Rewind, and the rhinoceros Ramhorn was added to the mix.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettbot''' (カセットボット ''Kasettobotto'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Autobot]]
[[Category:The Headmasters subgroups]]

Autobot Mini-Cassette

2011-10-05T01:03:55Z

Terrortron: /* Known Autobot Mini-Cassettes */

{{factions|autobot}}
:''The Autobot cassettes are a sub-group of [[Autobot]]s from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[Image:Spotlight-blaster-cover-color.jpg|right|300px|thumb|What's their hurry? The band is playing [[The Touch]], so it must be something important.]]
The '''Autobot Mini-Cassettes''' are [[Autobot]]s who, on [[Earth]], transform into analog audio cassettes. They can fit into [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'s chest compartment, though their apparent relationship to Blaster varies depending on continuity.

{{quote|The Autobots have no choice but to strike back at these Decepticon techniques of stealth, building a force of cassette Transformers of their own, with Blaster as their guardian.|[[Teletraan II]]|"[[Secret Files of Teletraan II]]"}}

==Known Autobot Mini-Cassettes==
===Generation 1===
*[[Eject]]
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]]
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]] combine to form [[Slamdance (G1)|Slamdance]]
*[[Playback]] (A comic-only character) {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]]
*[[Rewind]]
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]]
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]]
*[[Sundor]]
*The [[W Cassettebot]]s
**[[Dial]] and [[Saur]] combine to form [[Legout]]
**[[Graphy]] and [[Noise]] combine to form [[Decibel]]

*[[Nightstalker]]
*[[Stripes]]
*''Possibly'' [[Blackcat (G1)|Blackcat]] (A character based on [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]) {{storylink|Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 18}}

===Shattered Glass===
*[[Steeljaw (SG)|Steeljaw]]

==Fiction==
{{charstubfiction}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
During the attack on [[Autobot City]], Blaster attempted to radio Prime for reinforcements on [[Moonbase One]]. [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] detected the transmission and sent his Cassettes to prevent the broadcast. Once [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and the others breached the communications tower, Blaster ejected Ramhorn, Steeljaw, Rewind and Eject to match the Decepticon punks mano-y-mano. {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}

After [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] detected chronal energy emanating from an asteroid near Cybertron, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] sent a squad of Autobots with him to investigate, including Blaster with Ramhorn and Rewind. They encountered a [[Quintesson]] expedition and a school of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s, which Ramhorn relished in ramming repeatedly. During the fight, however, the Autobots accidentally passed through the Quintessons' [[Time Window]], arriving 11 million years in the past. They met [[Beta (G1)|Beta]], and took up arms in the original Cybertronian revolution against the Quintessons. They held the line against the [[Dark Guardian]]s long enough for the Autobots of 2006 to return the revolution's leader [[Alpha Trion (G1)|A3]] from the future. As A3 turned the [[Coda Remote]] on the Guardians, the Autobots returned to the present through the time window. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

{{storylink|Madman's Paradise}}
{{storylink|The Quintesson Journal}}

During a Decepticon outbreak in Europe, Ramhorn and Steeljaw fought alongside [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and the other Autobots against [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s forces. {{storylink|The Ultimate Weapon}} Ramhorn and Steeljaw were among the Primitives called to stop [[Primacron]]'s latest experiment. {{storylink|Call of the Primitives}}

===Japanese cartoon continuity===
====Scramble City====
{{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

====''The Headmasters'' cartoon====
{{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}
{{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}
{{storylink|Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1}}
{{storylink|The Dormant Volcano Mysteriously Erupts}}
{{storylink|Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears}}
{{storylink|Head Formation of Friendship}}
{{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg}}{{storylink|Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)}}
{{storylink|The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Generation 1====
{{noteukonly}}
Playback was a prisoner of the Decepticons on Cybertron. Along with [[Hosehead]] and [[Horsepower (G1)|Horsepower]], he was released into the wild on Earth to be hunted down by [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] as part of his initiation as a new Decepticon leader. He was the first of the trio Thunderwing tracked down and executed, leaving his corpse to rust on a shallow beach. {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}

====Marvel UK future timelines====
By 2008, Eject was stationed at Autobase on Cybertron, working communications for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].

Meanwhile on Earth, the [[Quintesson]]s invaded [[Autobot City]], devastating most of the base's population. Rewind, Steeljaw, and Ramhorn were stationed there, but got trapped inside Blaster's chest when he was blasted off-line and hung on the ramparts. A quick-thinking [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]] realized where they'd be and managed to free them. The Mini-Cassettes joined Hot Rod and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] in retaking Autobot City from the Quints. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

====Generation 2====
Steeljaw was part of a squad of Autobots dispatched to Earth when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] learned [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was still alive and active. He was killed in battle by Megatron's hyper-velocity rail gun, a deadly weapon created by [[Cobra]]. {{storylink|Final Transformations}}

===Dreamwave comics continuity===
During the [[Age of Internment]], Blaster and his Mini-Cassettes were allied with [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] and the remaining free Autobots against Megatron. Their twin goals were to bring down the legions of the [[Air Warrior|Aerospace Extermination Squadron]], and somehow locate the long-missing Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

Millions of years later, the Mini-Cassettes joined Blaster as part of ''another'' rebellion, this time against [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the corrupt Unified Cybertronian government. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}}

===G.I. Joe vs the Transformers===
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2|Black Horizon Part 1}}
{{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2|Black Horizon Part 2}}

===''Shattered Glass''===
{{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 27|Steeljaw's ''Shattered Glass'' profile}}

Steeljaw was so vigorously dedicated to his napping that he couldn't spare the energy to swat away the annoying Decepticon, [[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]. {{storylink|Recordicons|Recordicons #1}}

==Toys==
===Eject/Rewind mold===
*[[Eject]] (1986)
*[[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]] (2006)
*[[Rewind]] (1986)
*[[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]] (2006)

===Steeljaw mold===
*[[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] (1986)
*[[Nightstalker]] (2012)

===Combiners===
*[[Dial]]/[[Saur]] (1987)
*[[Graphy]]/[[Noise]] (1987)
*[[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]]/[[Raindance]] (1988)

===Others===
*[[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]] (1986)
*[[Stripes]] (2012)
*[[Sundor]] (2006)

==Notes==
* For the original draft of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', it was intended that the Autobot Mini-Cassettes would be "[[Steeljaw (G1)|CUBBIE]], a lion, [[Stripes|STRIPES]], a tiger, [[Stinger (G1)|STINGER]], a scorpion and [[Eject|BO]][[Rewind|LTS]], a small, tough robot."<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.html TFTM script draft at Disciples of Boltax]</ref> This plan was maintained for a few revisions,<ref>[http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/transformers.html Early script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'' at dailyscript.com]</ref> until eventually Stinger and Stripes were scrapped, Cubbie was renamed to Steeljaw, Bolts was split into Eject and Rewind, and the rhinoceros Ramhorn was added to the mix.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Cassettbot''' (カセットボット ''Kasettobotto'')

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Autobot subgroups]]
[[Category:Generation 1 subgroups]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes| Autobot]]
[[Category:The Headmasters subgroups]]

Enemy (G1)

2011-10-04T15:14:00Z

Terrortron: /* Merchandise */

{{disambig2|the Generation 1 Decepticon|the Shattered Glass Decepticon|Enemy (SG)}}
{{factions|decepticon}}
:''Enemy is a [[Decepticon]] [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassette]] from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Enemy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Not to be confused with [[Cobra]], the Enemy.]]
'''Enemy''' is one who feels hatred toward, intends injury to, or opposes the interests of another; a foe. He is a hostile power or force, or possibly something destructive or injurious in his effects.

For example, if one were not to want to sound like a robot, Enemy would, counter to this one's desires, change this being's voice into sounding like that of a robot's. And he would do this with only one part of his body; nay, the only part of his body he has.

He is a bastard. Perhaps, even, a nemesis.
{{TOCclear}}

==Fiction==
===Dreamwave comics continuity===
[[Image:Enemytww.jpg|150px|thumb|Could it be? Is it he?]]
While [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] led most of the Decepticon army into [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], several of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s troops snuck into [[Kolkular]] to end [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s plan to transform [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] into a spacefaring warship. Enemy, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]], [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], and others countered the Autobots when they were discovered. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}}

{{note|It's possible that Enemy was merely a miscolored [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] or [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], even though ''The War Within'' didn't shy away from using Microchange or Diaclone versions of toys as characters.}}
{{--}}

==Merchandise==
*'''AM Radio & Headset
[[Image:Am Radio decepticon.jpg|thumb|140px|Does he use anarchy?]]
:Enemy first appeared in 1984 as part of a working AM radio & headset, a piece of merchandise made by [[Nasta]] under the "Power Tronic" imprimatur. Featuring a large wearable Decepticon symbol belt-clip, removing this item revealed Enemy, a solid red (with blue thighs and upper arms) simplification of the [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]/[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] mould. Permanently attached to the radio, Enemy could not be removed without breakage, but could nevertheless transform.
{{-}}
*'''Enemy''' (voice changer)
[[Image:Enemy ecv inpackage.jpg|thumb|100px]]
:Enemy was given life again the following year when Nasta released a voice-changer in 1985. A large disembodied head, Enemy again looked like a red [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]]/[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], but this time with proper silver face detailing. If a kid talked into a headset that plugged into Enemy's noggin, his voice would be modified to sound robotic. Enemy came with a belt clip, power pack, headset with built-in microphone, and ran on a single 9 volt battery (not included).
{{--}}

==Notes==
[[Image:Enemymicrochange.jpg|right|75px|thumb|Get on it, [[e-Hobby]].]]
* MC-01 Micross (Red) was a red cassettebot in ''[[Micro Change]]'' which could retroactively be considered a version of Enemy. We like to think so, anyway.
*Enemy is awesome.
*Enemy could possibly be [http://gundam.wikia.com/wiki/Char_Aznable three times faster] than most [[Mini-Cassette]]s, but his lack of media appearances make it hard to tell.

[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Merchandise]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-10-03T01:55:30Z

Terrortron: /* Other repurposed toys */

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, "'''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'''" has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line's" toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-09-30T04:53:48Z

Terrortron:

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, "'''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'''" has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line's" toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parenthesis.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-09-30T04:53:06Z

Terrortron: /* Deluxe Class */

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, "'''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'''" has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line's" toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parenthesis.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|"Beast Machines" Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)

2011-09-30T04:52:39Z

Terrortron: Jetstorm

{{Template:Nav-SG}}
[[Image:Onegenerationshattered.jpg|right|350px|thumb|Collecting this line will be expensive!]]
Like most Transformers [[franchise]]s, "'''[[Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'''" has a toyline. The ''Shattered'' line is unusual, however, in that it consists largely of [[Repurposing|reassigned toys]] from other toylines. The repurposed toys have mostly been designated by the authors of the franchise's official fiction rather than originally created by [[Hasbro]]. Only a handful of the "line's" toys were actually manufactured to be explicit ''Shattered Glass'' characters, mostly in conjunction with [[BotCon 2008]].

Quite a few additional ''Shattered'' character designs are based on existing toys/characters with new color schemes, meaning they potentially ''could'' be manufactured some day, or recreated by enterprising [[Customizing|kitbashers]].

==Official Decepticon toys==
===2008===
====Micromasters====
*[[Divebomb (SG)|Divebomb]]
*[[Rampage (SG)|Rampage]]
*[[Razorclaw (SG)|Razorclaw]]
*[[Whisper (SG)|Whisper]]

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Sideswipe (SG)|Sideswipe]]

====Voyager Class====
[[Image:ShatteredGlasstoy-Megatron.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I am Megatron and I have come to ''teach'' you math!]]
*[[Starscream (SG)|Starscream]]

====Ultra Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Megatron]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Heatwave]]

===2010===
====Micromasters====
*[[Krunix (SG)|Krunix]]
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Cyclonus (SG)|Cyclonus]]
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]]
===2011===

====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thundercracker (SG)|Thundercracker]]
====Voyager Class====
*[[Megatron (SG)|Galvatron]]

==Repurposed Decepticon toys==
These toys were originally part of other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.
===Micromasters===
*[[Fasttrack (SG)|Fasttrack]] ([[Starcatcher]])
*[[Stonecruncher (SG)|Stonecruncher]] ([[Astro-Hook]])
*[[Submarauder (SG)|Submarauder]] ([[Astro-Sinker]])
*[[Tailwind (SG)|Tailwind]] ([[Astro-Line]])

===Scout Class===

*[[Gutcruncher (SG)|Gutcruncher]] ([[Signal Flare (Movie)|''Movie'' Signal Flare]])
[[Image:Timelinestoy-Astrotrain.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Arrrrrrr you be needing two a me now.]]

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Demolishor (SG)|Demolishor]] ([[Demolishor (Armada)|Powerlinx Demolishor]])

===Ultra Class===
*[[Astrotrain (SG)|Astrotrain]] ([[Astrotrain (Timelines)|''Timelines'' Astrotrain]])

===Misc===
*[[Bludgeon (SG)|Bludgeon]] ([[Bludgeon (RID)|''Robots in Disguise'' Bludgeon]])
*[[Bombshell (SG)|Bombshell]] ([[Salvo]])
*[[Darkwind (SG)|Darkwind]] ([[Gigant Bomb|''Robot Masters'' Gigant Bomb]])
*[[Dreadwind (SG)|Dreadwind]] ([[Smokesniper|''Robot Masters'' Smokesniper]])
*[[Kickback (SG)|Kickback]] ([[Shothole]])
*[[Ravage (SG)|Ravage]] ([[Glit]])
*[[Sir Soundwave|Soundwave]] ([[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|''Music Label'' Soundwave "Sonic White"]])

==Official Autobot toys==
===2007===
====Micromasters====
*[[Beta Maxx]]<ref>He might not actually be part of this Universe, but as he came with a "Shattered Glass" character, we'll list him for now.</ref>
====Voyager Class====
*[[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]] <ref>May be an example of [[repurposing]]. See [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Notes|his page's Notes section]] for details.</ref>

===2008===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Blurr (SG)|Blurr]]
*[[Goldbug (SG)|Goldbug]]
*[[Grimlock (SG)|Grimlock]]
*[[Jazz (SG)|Jazz]]
*[[Nightbeat (SG)|Nightbeat]]
[[Image:Optimusprimesgtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"I'm a mother trucking P.I.M.P."]]
*[[Rodimus (SG)|Rodimus]]
*[[Ricochet (SG)|Ricochet]]

====Voyager Class====
*[[Optimus Prime (SG)|Optimus Prime]]

===2009===
====Deluxe Class====
*[[Thunderclash (SG)|Thunderclash]]
*[[Nightclash]]

===2012===
*[[Drift (SG)|Drift]]

==Repurposed Autobot toys==
These toys originated in other toylines. Their original designation is listed in parentheses.

===Micromasters===
*[[Holepunch (SG)|Holepunch]] ([[Makeshift (Armada)|X-Dimension Makeshift]])
*[[Nightstick (SG)|Nightstick]] ([[Prowl (Armada)|X-Dimension Prowl]])
*[[Pinpointer (SG)|Pinpointer]] ([[Firebot (Armada)|X-Dimension Firebot]])

===Scout Class===
*[[Arcee (SG)|Arcee]] ([[Elita-One (Movie)|''Movie'' Elita-One]])
*[[Beachcomber (SG)|Beachcomber]] ([[Hardtop (Movie)|''Movie'' Hardtop]])
*[[Brawn (SG)|Brawn]] ([[Strongarm (Movie)|''Movie'' Strongarm]])
*[[Crosshairs (SG)|Crosshairs]] ([[Warpath (Movie)|''Movie'' Warpath]])
*[[Groove (SG)|Groove]] ([[Ransack (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Ransack GTS]])
*[[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] ([[Armorhide (Movie)|''Movie'' Armorhide]])
*[[Seaspray (SG)|Seaspray]] ([[Storm Surge (Movie)|''Movie'' Storm Surge]])
[[Image:Movie BigDaddy toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"Good, evil...yo, I'm still Big Daddy."]]
*[[Star Saber (SG)|Star Saber]] ([[Skyblast (Movie)|''Movie'' Skyblast]])

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Big Daddy (SG)|Big Daddy]] ([[Big Daddy (Movie)|''Movie'' Big Daddy]])
*[[Elita-One (SG)|Elita-One]] ([[Override (Cybertron)|Override GTS]])
*[[Mirage (SG)|Mirage]] ([[Mirage (G1)|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Mirage]])
*[[Scoop (SG)|Scoop]] ([[Grindcore (Movie)|''Movie'' Grindcore]])
*[[Side Burn (SG)|Side Burn]] ([[Side Burn (RID)|''Universe'' Side Burn]])
*[[Wheeljack (SG)|Wheeljack]] ([[Slicer|''Timelines'' Slice]])
*[[Wireless Automated Sales Person]] (Elite Guard [[Bumblebee (Animated)|''Animated'' Bumblebee]])

===Misc===
*[[Camshaft (SG)|Camshaft]] ([[Camshaft (G1)|''Universe'' Camshaft]])
*[[Drench (SG)|Drench]] ([[Drench (G2)|''Generation 2'' Autobot Drench]])
*[[Perceptor (SG)|Perceptor]] ([[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]])

==Other repurposed toys==
This toy originated in another toyline. Its original designation is listed in parenthesis.

===Deluxe Class===
*[[Jetstorm (SG)|Jetstorm]] ([[Jetstorm (BM)|""Beast Machines" Jetstorm]])

==Notes==
*The fiction refers to all of the [[Mini-Con]]-mold characters as Micromasters; "[[Do Over]]" in particular.

==Footnotes==
<references/>

[[Category:Convention exclusives]]
[[Category:Repurposed toys]]
[[Category:Shattered Glass| ]]
[[Category:Toylines]]

High Wire (Armada)

2011-09-07T03:29:21Z

Terrortron: /* Energon */

{{factions|minicon|autobot}}
{{disambig3|High Wire}}
:''High Wire is a [[Mini-Con]] from the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Armada Highwire art.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Ohh, it's a deep burn! Oh, it's so deep! Oh, I can barely lift my right arm 'cause I did so many.]]

'''High Wire''' is a bike. Motivational, intelligent, yet ego-free, he believes unwaveringly in the power of teamwork, and though he wouldn't admit it, he is great at leadership.

He combines with his fellow [[Street Action Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Street Action Mini-Con Team]] members to form [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]]. On [[Drift (episode)|at least one occasion]] he has demonstrated a limited ability to manipulate time.

==Fiction==
===Cartoon continuity===
====''Armada'' cartoon====
:''Voice actor:'' [[Terry Klassen]] (English), [[Akira Tomisaka]] (Japanese)

High Wire and the Mini-Cons were created countless millennia ago, spawned from with the cells of Unicron. Outwardly innocent and yet extremely powerful, the Mini-Cons' purpose was to engineer a power struggle between the Autobots and the Decepticons, creating conflict which would feed Unicron. Due to a time loop, however, High Wire encountered three children from 21st century Earth — [[Rad White]] and his friends [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]]. Contact with Rad somehow weakened Unicron's conditioning, giving High Wire and the other Mini-Cons the ability to think for themselves. {{storylink|Drift (episode)|Drift}}

A million years ago, a ceasefire was called between the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s, during which it was decided to banish the Mini-Cons from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] so they would never be used as tools of war again. High Wire was among the Mini-Cons who were placed in stasis inside [[Mini-Con storage panel|Mini-Con storage panels]] on board the starship ''[[Exodus (Armada)|Exodus]]'' for the long journey into deep space. Remembering his long-ago contact with Rad White, High Wire aimed the ''Exodus'' towards the planet Earth, where he knew Rad would one day be waiting for him.

However, during the launch of the ''Exodus'', the Decepticon leader [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] betrayed the ceasefire and attacked, hoping to take all the Mini-Cons for himself. The Autobots managed to hold off the Decepticons long enough for the ''Exodus'' to make it to a warp gate and leave Cybertron behind forever. After drifting through space for countless years, the Mini-Con ship collided with Earth's moon and broke apart, half of it remaining on the moon while the rest crash-landed on the planet's surface.

Thousands of years later, Rad White and his friend Carlos were exploring the caves under the local [[Cosmoscope Research Center|observatory]] when they discovered the remains of the ''Exodus''. Rad was drawn to the glowing, green Mini-Con panel in the darkness, and when he touched it, the systems of the ''Exodus'' reactivated and sent a signal back to Cybertron. Now the Transformers knew what had become of the Mini-Cons. After Rad and Carlos exited the caves and met up with Alexis, they were confronted by Megatron himself. In his fear, Rad stumbled and dropped the Mini-Con panel, which activated and released High Wire. High Wire was shocked to see Megatron and scanned Rad's bicycle to enable the escape for his new friends and liberators. However, Megatron managed to stop them and demanded the humans turn over High Wire. Fortunately for all concerned, the Autobot leader, [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], arrived to confront the Decepticon leader. {{storylink|First Encounter}}

As more Autobots and Decepticons arrived and began grappling with each other, High Wire and the humans fled back into the mountain caves to avoid getting trampled. High Wire led the children deep into the mountain where the Mini-Con ship was buried, and located his two inoperative friends, [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] and [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]]. When Carlos and Alexis touched their Mini-Con storage panels, they came to life just like High Wire, and the trio were reunited. Eager to try out the new Earth modes they scanned, the Street Action Team went racing through the countryside with their new human companions, crossing over rivers and straight up mountainsides. Reality soon caught up with them, though, as Megatron and the Decepticons tracked them down. Fortunately, Optimus Prime and his Autobots stepped in again to save the Mini-Cons from entrapment and slavery. {{storylink|Metamorphosis}}

After the Decepticons were driven off, the collected Autobots, Mini-Cons and humans retreated back into the mountain-ship to get to know one another. High Wire asked Optimus Prime if the Autobots would force the Mini-Cons to fight, but Optimus assured him that only the Decepticons treated Mini-Cons like slaves, and the Autobots would allow them to make their own decisions. Satisfied that their freedom would be respected, High Wire and his fellow Mini-Cons agreed to join forces with the Autobots. As the new alliance was forged, Mini-Con panels began to come on-line all over the globe, ensuring the Autobots would have plenty of work to keep them busy. {{storylink|Base}}

On their first Mini-Con hunt, High Wire and the Street Action Team worked with Optimus Prime in [[Grand Canyon|Big Canyon]], surveying the area for any signs of storage panels. High Wire tried to get a higher vantage point by standing atop of Prime's foot. When the Decepticons arrived to intervene, the Street Action Team displayed their ability to combine for the first time, forming [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]]. The agile Mini-Con gestalt miraculously overwhelmed both Megatron and [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]] until Optimus Prime could [[powerlinx]] with his new partner, [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]], and unleash a Maximum Blast. {{storylink|Comrade}}

High Wire and the Street Action Team joined the kids in teaching [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] how to play the game of "Tag" inside the Autobot base. Hot Shot was worn out trying to chase them down until he thought to use [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]] to "tag" the kids for him. High Wire and the other Mini-Cons later accompanied the Autobots to Antarctica to search for a new Mini-Con. They used Prime's trailer as a mobile headquarters from which they coordinated the search. {{storylink|Soldier (episode)|Soldier}} Later, High Wire helped Rad gather supplies for the kids to use while freeloading at the Autobot base. He and the other Mini-Cons then joined the Autobots on a mission to the forest, where a firefight with the Decepticons led to a forest fire. Working with Red Alert, the Mini-Cons converted Optimus Prime's trailer into a fire engine, pumping water from a nearby lake to put out the fires. {{storylink|Jungle}}

One day, High Wire and Grindor went out to a carnival with Rad and Carlos. Hijinx ensued. {{storylink|Carnival}} Out on a desert mission, High Wire was trying to get the drop on [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] when he and the rest of the kids and Street Action Team were caught in a sandtrap. They fell into a deep series of catacombs, built by denizens of the [[Sahara]] long ago after they discovered a Mini-Con storage panel in the sand. High Wire and the others were nearly killed by the various traps and guards protecting the panel underground, and the Mini-Con team had to form Perceptor to protect the kids from harm. {{storylink|Palace}}

When Billy and Fred were kidnapped by Cyclonus, High Wire and his friends attempted to rescue them, only to be captured themselves by Megatron. They were saved once Fred used Laserbeak to zap Megatron and distract him long enough for the Autobots to save the day. {{storylink|Confrontation (episode)|Confrontation}} As the search for more Mini-Cons continued, High Wire and the Street Action Team participated in a mission deep underground in a city's subway tunnels. {{storylink|Underground}} They also confronted Megatron in a sunken underwater city, but the Decepticons succeeded in capturing the dormant Mini-Cons on both occasions. {{storylink|Ruin}}

As Rad began to learn more about the Mini-Cons, he started to question whether they should be forced to fight in a war not of their making. Almost as if in answer to his concerns, High Wire and the other Mini-Cons took up arms in the next conflict, showing valor and courage on the battlefield that made it clear they were fighting for what they believed in, just like the Autobots and the kids. {{storylink|Prehistory}}

High Wire and the Street Action Team were present for the Autobots' first encounter with [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]]. {{storylink|Gale}} Sometime later, High Wire and Grindor went camping with Red Alert, [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] and the boys. {{storylink|Vacation}} When [[Blurr (Armada)|Blurr]] rescued [[Incinerator (Armada)|Incinerator]] from the Decepticons' clutches, High Wire and the Street Action Team were the first Mini-Cons to welcome him to the Autobot base. {{storylink|Reinforcement}} Later, High Wire's team and Jolt helped create a miniature obstacle course from Hot Shot and Blurr to train on. {{storylink|Decisive Battle}}

Soon after, High Wire and the Street Action Team received a transmission from the [[Land Military Mini-Con Team|Land Military Team]] on the moon. It seemed that some of the Decepticon-allied Mini-Cons wanted peace, and were seeking an opportunity to come over to the Autobots. With the help of Rad and Fred, they convinced Optimus Prime to give the "enemy" Mini-Cons a chance, and soon the Autobots had a number of new allies. {{storylink|Vow}}

When a computer virus named [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] infiltrated the Autobot mainframe, High Wire, Grindor and Sureshock helped the kids fight back against the infection. Sideways still had a few tricks up his sleeve, however, and he converted the minds of the Street Action Team and the kids into computerized avatars, sucking them into his digital world. In this unreal landscape, they passed by representations of Cybertron and [[Jetfire (Armada)|other]] [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|figures]], before being chased by a [[Unicron|shadowy planetoid]] back into the real world along a path Red Alert made for them. {{storylink|Chase (episode)|Chase}}

After the Autobots rescued [[Dune Runner (Armada)|Dune Runner]]'s Mini-Con panel, High Wire and the Street Action Team were the first to welcome him to the Autobot headquarters. {{storylink|Tactician}} On monitor duty, the Street Action Team ID'ed [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] flying in circles over the Autobot base, and reported it to Vice-Commander [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] while Optimus was in repairs. The kids had to translate for Jetfire, though, and he'd never bothered to learn his Mini-Con bleeps from his bloops. {{storylink|Linkup}}

When a Mini-Con signal went off linking the three [[Space Mini-Con Team]] panels, High Wire and the others reacted when the signal pointed to a panel hidden right inside their own base. They joined the kids in searching out the panel in the damaged sections of the ship. The search party came across [[Sky Blast]]'s panel, activating the Mini-Con. To everyone's surprise, however, Sky Blast appeared openly hostile. {{storylink|Awakening}} It soon became apparent, though, that Sky Blast was merely frightened. He dove out of the way when High Wire tried to tackle him, and cowered behind Rad when High Wire and the others formed Perceptor to protect the kids. They eventually coaxed him back out into the main part of the base, and convinced the new Mini-Con to assist the Autobots. {{storylink|Desperate}}

High Wire was present when Starscream first switched sides to join the Autobots. {{storylink|Regeneration}} During the subsequent raid on the Decepticon base, High Wire and the Street Action Team accompanied the Autobots as Perceptor, and focused on freeing the Mini-Cons while the Autobots engaged the enemy. Perceptor briefly split into his three components when avoiding an attack by Tidal Wave. {{storylink|Rescue}}

After Starscream and Jetfire rescued [[Firebot (Armada)|Firebot]] from [[Mars (planet)|Mars]], High Wire was among the Mini-Cons who welcomed the new arrival to the Autobots. {{storylink|Mars (episode)|Mars}}

As the Decepticons threatened the safety of Earth with their [[Hydra Cannon]], High Wire and the Street Action Team watched helplessly with the kids as the Autobots tried to counter the threat. {{storylink|Crisis}}

Following the death of Optimus Prime in stopping the Hydra Cannon, the Autobots were preparing to follow the Decepticons into space and prevent them from using the cannon aganst Cybertron. Although Hot Shot and Red Alert made it clear the kids wouldn't be coming along on such a dangerous mission, High Wire knew it was their destiny to do so. He began speaking to Rad in English, and in his dreams, compelling him to seek his destiny out in space. When the kids declared their intention to join the mission, High Wire and the Street Action Team converted into Perceptor and organized the united Mini-Cons on the side of the kids. With pressure from the Mini-Cons, Hot Shot was forced to allow the humans to accompany them. {{storylink|Depart}}

The ''[[Axalon (Armada)|Axalon]]'' made its way into space, and soon joined by other Mini-Cons empowered by the [[Linkage (dimension)|Linkage]]. High Wire and the Street Action Team telepathically explained to the kids that the Mini-Cons were all coming together to fight the great enemy...[[Unicron]]. As they encountered the Decepticon ship, High Wire organized the Mini-Cons on-board to man the armaments and fight back against Megatron's troops. {{storylink|Miracle}}

Once they arrived in orbit around Cybertron, High Wire immediately sensed Unicron's presence. The Mini-Cons all quickly gathered together in space, forming a shield against a deadly black hole Sideways had formed as a "surprise" for the Autobots. When the Autobots confronted Galvatron's Decepticon armada, the Mini-Cons assembled once more, creating illusions to disguise the ''Axalon'' amidst a horde of duplicate ships. As the power of the black hole became stronger and stronger, the Mini-Cons unified in a green ball of energy, neutralizing the threat with a rain of light. High Wire and the Mini-Cons implored Galvatron and the others to stop fighting, but only succeeded in getting a temporary cessation of hostilities. {{storylink|Uprising}}

After Thrust stole the [[Skyboom Shield]] and [[Requiem Blaster]] from Galvatron, Hot Shot joined forces with the Decepticons [[Wheeljack (Armada)|Wheeljack]] and Starscream to hunt him down. When he reported his position in the underground caverns of Cybertron to the ''Axalon'', High Wire recognized it as the place where the Mini-Cons were first created. The kids and their Mini-Cons went down to help with the search, but got caught in a stand-off between Thrust and Starscream. High Wire unleashed his hidden power just as Thrust turned the Requiem Blaster on Starscream, somehow creating the temporal loop that sent the kids back to the Mini-Cons' creation in the first place. When time reset itself, the Street Action Team had a few extra moments to form Perceptor and distract Thrust, saving Starscream. {{storylink|Drift (episode)|Drift}}

The search continued and led to a fight with Thrust and [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] inside the core of Unicron, who stood revealed as Cybertron's moon. {{storylink|Portent}} Later, High Wire and the others watch on helplessly as Unicron grew more powerful, and Starscream sacrificed himself to bring an alliance between the Autobots and Decepticons. {{storylink|Cramp}} As the truce was forged between the two factions, High Wire and the Street Action Team attended as representatives of the Mini-Cons. They formed Perceptor and joined hands with Optimus Prime and Galvatron to commemorate the occasion. {{storylink|Alliance}}

With the united Transformer armada bringing the fight to Unicron, the war council reached the conclusion that Unicron needed the three super-weapons to power himself. Their best course of action therefore was to penetrate Unicron's defenses and awaken the nine individual Mini-Cons that comprised the weapons, separating their will from Unicron. Although Prime and Galvatron infiltrated Unicron to achieve that purpose, High Wire, Grindor and Sureshock determined ''they'' would need to be present in order to push the Mini-Cons back to consciousness. The Street Action Team and the kids made their way into Unicron using the hidden warp tunnel below Cybertron's surface. {{storylink|Union}}

In Unicron's heart, High Wire and the others found Optimus and Galvatron facing off against Sideways. Shockingly, Unicron was able to reassert control over the Mini-Cons, placing them back under his personal domination. Their enslavement was only temporary, however, as the kids were able to reach out to High Wire and the others, awakening them so that they could awaken the Mini-Cons of the Star Saber, Skyboom Shield and Requiem Blaster in turn, causing Unicron to grind to a halt. {{storylink|Origin}} As Optimus Prime and Galvatron remained inside Unicron to settle the final score between them, High Wire and the assorted kids and Mini-Cons escaped aboard Jetfire. After the final destruction of Unicron and Galvatron, the Street Action Team accompanied Hot Shot and Jetfire back to Earth, where they said their final goodbyes to the children. {{storylink|Mortal Combat}}

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===Dreamwave comics continuity===
====Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic====
When the [[Exodus (Armada)|Mini-Con ship]] broke up and crashed on Earth a million years in the past, near High Wire ended up in a cave under present-day [[Lincoln]] alongside Grindor, Sureshock and [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]]. A fateful day, a human named [[Rad White]] fell into the cave and accidentally awakened the Mini-Cons, who soon befriended him and his companions, [[Carlos Lopez]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang]]. High Wire and the others built the humans a [[Project Supernova|hovercraft]] and asked them to be their guides as they searched for other Mini-Cons on Earth. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 3|Armada #3}} Unfortunately, their fun and games stopped when they were tracked to Earth by the [[Decepticon]]s, and the Mini-Cons were forced to explain their war-torn past to the kids. High Wire and the others then scanned new [[alternate mode]]s and used them to run from the Decepticons until they ran into the [[Autobot]]s. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 4|Armada #4}} After the Decepticons were driven off by the Autobots and another group of Mini-Cons, the Street Action Team allied themselves with the Autobots. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 5|Armada #5}}

High Wire was present when Sparkplug tried to convince [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] to let him infiltrate the Decepticon base. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 6|Armada #6}} He later rescued Rad from [[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] by menacing the bully with a wheelie, so Rad explained to him that not ''every'' dangerous situation requires saving. As the Street Action Team drove around town with their human friends, the [[Mini-Con Ark]]'s summoning beacon reached them, and they started driving mindlessly towards [[Kansas]]. After all the Mini-Cons on Earth were gathered around the Ark, they entered it, and it took off into space. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 8|Armada #8}} The Mini-Cons were taken to the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], where another group of Mini-Cons led by [[Dualor (Armada)|Dualor]] had constructed a [[Mini-Con Moonbase|moonbase]] where their race could live in peace forever. High Wire and his teammates were against this, as they'd much rather live on Earth with Rad, Carlos and Alexis. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 9|Armada #9}} They awaited help from the Autobots, but were in a way saved by the ''Decepticons'' when they attacked the base and deactivated the energy field keeping the Mini-Cons behind bars. All residents of the moonbase subsequently evacuated it. {{storylink|Dreamwave Armada issue 10|Armada #10}}

After returning to Earth, the Street Action Team were seen listening to one of [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]]'s speeches about Mini-Con independence. {{storylink|Fire & Ice}} Later, High Wire joined a team of Mini-Cons who traveled to the Decepticons' base at [[Silver Ridge]] in search of [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]]'s [[null-reality pod]]s, which were needed to bring back the lost [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}} They successfully infiltrated the base, but were forced to hide from the three [[Heralds of Unicron]] who were stomping around inside. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} The team located the null-reality pods, and High Wire watched as Sparkplug, Over-Run and [[Comettor (Armada)|Comettor]] used them to traverse dimensions and retrieve Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}} Prime returned with news that [[Unicron]] was coming to devour their dimension's [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], so all Mini-Cons had to return to their homeworld and fight against him. After saying their goodbyes to Rad, Carlos and Alexis, the Street Action Team joined the other Mini-Cons at the [[Loop]] on Cybertron and poured their energies into the [[Mini-Con Matrix]]. This allowed Over-Run to fire a massive energy blast at Unicron, crippling him. {{storylink|The End}}

====''Energon'' comic====
Ten years later, High Wire, Grindor and Sureshock learned that the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcons]] were assaulting various cities on Earth. Worried about their old human friends, they volunteered to return to Earth and fight this new threat in the form of [[Perceptor (Armada)|Perceptor]]. {{storylink|Multiplicity, Pt. 2}} They were assigned to [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]]'s team in [[Los Angeles]], where they battled against thousands of [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticons]]. {{storylink|Multiplicity, Pt. 3}} The team was vastly outnumbered and quickly began to run low on energy, but High Wire and the others were saved when Rad showed up in the [[Energon Volant Accumulator|E.V.A.]] and used it to power them up with [[Energon gas]]. {{storylink|Multiplicity, Pt. 4}}

===Panini ''Armada'' comics===
Back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], High Wire was a chemist of sorts, and once developed a nice and clean way of processing waste fuel. Unfortunately, his attempts to save the environment were for naught, as the Decepticons soon "turned the skies black with smoke" anyway. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 3|Just a Memory!}} He later left his home planet alongside most of the Mini-Con population, and ended up crashing on [[Earth]] and laying dormant for four million years.

High Wire was the first Mini-Con to meet [[Rad White|Rad]], [[Carlos Lopez|Carlos]] and [[Alexis Thi Dang|Alexis]] after they accidentally reactivated the Mini-Cons onboard their crashed ship in a cave. He helped Rad and Carlos out of the cave and tried to explain that he had come in peace, but hadn't picked up much English yet. Fortunately, [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] showed up to translate for him. ''Un''fortunately, Megatron was there to capture the Mini-Cons and conquer Earth. High Wire scanned Alexis's bike for an [[alternate mode]], then transformed and carried the three kids to safety while Megatron was distracted by [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]. He met up with the rest of the awakened Mini-Cons, but they refused to help Optimus Prime against Megatron, as them getting involved with the war again would only end badly. {{storylink|First Encounter!}} Rad, disgusted by their cowardice, went off to save Prime by himself. High Wire realized that he couldn't let the human go alone, then raced after Rad, saving him just before Megatron could stomp on him. He ended up being punched by Megatron in the process, but was pulled out of danger by [[Longarm (Armada)|Longarm]]. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 2|Friends and Foes!}}

After the battle, High Wire and the rest of the Mini-Cons joined the Autobots. He spent some time racing with his new human friends, but they were soon sent by Optimus Prime to recover the [[locator log]] from the Mini-Cons' ship. They found it, but came under attack from [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], who quickly took High Wire and [[Sureshock (Armada)|Sureshock]] out with a single blast. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 3|Deep Trouble!}} In order to learn more about life on Earth, High Wire began following Rad around during his daily routines. While watching Rad during a chemistry class at school, he witnessed [[Billy (Armada)|Billy]] and [[Fred (Armada)|Fred]] messing up his experiment. Remembering his own experiments on Cybertron, he pulled the two troublemakers out of the window and avenged Rad by giving them a beating. Rad felt that this would only get him into trouble, and took High Wire to his other friends, who had similar "help gone wrong" experiences with their Mini-Con friends. High Wire was embarrassed, but Rad promised to guide him through proper human behavior. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 3|Just a Memory!}}

Some time later, High Wire almost returned to Cybertron when the Autobots decided to keep the Mini-Cons safe by sending them home. In the end, they remained on Earth due to various circumstances. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 4|No Way Home!}} The Street Action Team were racing with Rad, Carlos and Alexis again when they came under attack from [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], out to get himself some Mini-Con upgrades. High Wire threw Rad off of him and told him to get help, then combined with his teammates into Perceptor and did battle with Starscream. After Optimus Prime showed up and saved the day, High Wire hi-fived with Rad and explained that they had kept Perceptor a secret as sometimes, the less people know about Mini-Cons the better. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 7|The Two-Edged Sword}}

When the Autobots were threatened by Decepticon warheads fired from the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], High Wire and the other Mini-Cons offered to surrender themselves in order to buy the Autobots time to prepare. They were subsequently imprisoned on a [[solar barge]] which was then pulled towards the Moon by [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Earthshaker!}} After breaking out, High Wire and [[Sparkplug (Armada)|Sparkplug]] activated their [[magno-clamp]]s and walked out on the barge's hull, where they disconnected it from Cyclonus. Sparkplug was knocked into space in the process, but High Wire told [[Jolt (Armada)|Jolt]] to save him, and everyone returned safely to Earth. {{storylink|Panini Armada issue 8|Lost in Space!}}

===Toy pack-in comics===
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[[Kicker Jones|Kicker]] rode High Wire in a battle between [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s. {{Storylink|Energon Volume 4}}
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===Something Robotic This Way Comes===
After Alexis, Carlos and Rad failed to adequately explain [[Halloween]], they invited the Mini-Cons along with them while Trick-or-Treating. High Wire was the first to catch on, but was confused by Rad mentioning that if they didn't get candy, they could t.p. the house. {{storylink|Something Robotic This Way Comes}}

===Bendon ''Armada'' books===
High Wire participated in a Mini-Con race the kids had that also involved Sureshock and Grindor. Unsurprisingly, Megatron used the situation as an excuse to attack them. {{storylink|Race to Disaster}}

==Toys==
===Armada===
*'''Street Action Mini-Con Team''' (Mini-Con Team, 2002)

:''Armada'' High Wire transforms into a tiny BMX bicycle with turning pedals. His robot mode is adorable. He can combine with Sureshock and Grindor to form Perceptor, becoming the head and back of the gestalt form.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[High Wire (Universe)|High Wire]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Mini-Con/HighWire/highwire.htm More information on High Wire at TFU.info]''

*'''Street Action Micron Anime Color''' (CD w/ toy, 2003)

: These [[redeco]]es of the Street Action Team were available only with the CD single of the first ''Micron Legend'' [[Japanese themes|theme song]], "[[Transformer: Dream Again]]" by [[Psychic Lover]]. The toys were decoed to be more [[Show-accuracy|cartoon-accurate]]; in High Wire's case, he has more detailed [[paint operation]]s for his face and his Perceptor head [[kibble]] is a lighter blue.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Micron/CDWheelie/wheelie.htm More information on Anime Color Wheelie at TFU.info]''

*'''Wheelie''' (Change Micron, 2003)

: Part of the first assortment of [[Kabaya]] [[Change Micron]]s, this [[candy toy]] version of High Wire is almost identical to the original toy, but was actually made using an all-new mold. The most obvious change is his face, which is now painted with a red [[mouthplate]] and no eyes. High Wire came in an individual box, packed with a baggie of sugar-pellets.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Micron/CMWheelie/wheelie.htm More information on Change Micron Wheelie at TFU.info]''

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*'''Magna Convoy DX Set''' (Multi-pack, 2003)

:An [[X-Dimension Mini-Cons|X-Dimension]] redeco of the Street Action Mini-Con Team was packaged only with the Toys "R" Us Japan [[exclusive]] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#MagnaConvoyDX|Magna Convoy DX]] toy. High Wire was given a red and black color scheme.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Micron/XWheelie/wheelie.htm More information on X-Dimension Wheelie at TFU.info]''
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===Energon===
*'''Perceptor''' (Basic, 2004)

:''Energon'' High Wire transforms into a dirt bike that doesn't hold together very well. His robot head can be used as a kickstand in this mode. Once again, he can combine with Sureshock and Grindor to form Perceptor. For some reason, it's hard to tell what side of his head is actually his face.

:This mold was also used to make ''Energon'' [[Breakage|Brake]] and [[Axle]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Mini-Con/HighWire/highwire.htm More information on ''Energon'' High Wire at TFU.info]''
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[[Image:Energon Kicker HighWire toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|He will crush the other Mini-cons under his gargantuan feet!]]
*'''Energon Kicker with High Wire''' (Deluxe, 2005)

:High Wire is a much larger, near Basic-sized version of ''Energon'' High Wire. He is an all-new design with increased detailing and some minor design changes, but unfortunately is out of scale with [[Kicker Jones|Kicker figure]] he is packed with. He has a [[spark crystal]] on his chest rather than a Mini-Con powerlinx port.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/HighWire/highwire.htm More information on large ''Energon'' High Wire at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2003)===
*'''Perceptor''' (Basic, 2005)

:''Universe'' Perceptor is a repack of ''Energon'' Perceptor, with no changes to the contents within.

===Cybertron===
[[Image:Cybertron HighWire toy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I'll never have normal hands, will i?]]
*'''Blastcharge vs High Wire''' (Mini-Con 2-pack, 2006)

:''Cybertron'' High Wire is a redeco of ''Energon'' High Wire. His vehicle mode's paint scheme is based upon [[wikipedia:Evel_Knievel|Evel Knievel]]'s various American flag-themed motorcycles. He retains his ability to combine with Sureshock and Grindor to form a patriotically-coloured Perceptor.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/HighWire/highwire.htm More information on ''Cybertron'' High Wire at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
* The Energon Kicker with High Wire set was not "mech-designed" or engineered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] employees, a rarity for normal-series ''Transformers'' toys.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Wheelie''' (ウィーリー ''Wīrī''), '''Hopper''' (''Super Link'', ホッパー ''Hoppā'')
*''Russian:'' '''Wire'''
*''Hungarian:'' '''Vezeték''' ("Wire")

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== Categories by toy size class? ==
Do we ''want'' the following categories?
 Leader class toy images
 Deluxe class toy images
 Voyager class toy images
 Scout class toy images
 They currently have a very few things in them (and could obviously have many more), but the cat' pages themselves have not been created. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:43, 12 February 2011 (EST)

:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:13, 12 February 2011 (EST)

::No. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:06, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:::As long as it's only the images and not the articles, I couldn't care less. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 21:09, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:There's also a "Legends class toy images" category which has 90 images in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:21, 15 February 2011 (EST)

::Legends are kind of an exception because they're a different scale/play pattern, as evidenced by the upcoming Cyberverse stuff. Scouts-on-up are ''generally'' meant to intermingle, Legends aren't. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:41, 16 February 2011 (EST)

:I could go either way on this one. It's a lot of work to fill these categories out, but the ability to find all the Deluxe figures easily intrigues me. If we did institute this I would also think that this would be the proper place to put the "exclusive figure" categories and such. Basically, any category that pertains to a particular toy and not to the character could be tagged to the image of that toy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:08, 15 February 2011 (EST)

:I've been doing them because I saw other people do them. I don't mind either way. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:51, 16 February 2011 (EST)
So, counting me as "no", that's three "no"s, an "I don't care", an "I don't mind either way", and an "either way/intrigues me". I think we're leaning toward "no". Final comments? [[User:JW|JW]] 07:08, 16 February 2011 (EST)

::I guess it's "no" or at least "not the time"? (Though I'm "I'm not sure".) --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 11:21, 16 February 2011 (EST)
:::I've gone with "no", and added a note to that effect to [[Transformers_Wiki:Images]]. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:27, 16 February 2011 (EST)

Ha ha, none of the no's have actually said why they've said no. Such super debating skills that. [[Special:Contributions/213.105.226.130|213.105.226.130]] 17:44, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== Undo Redone? ==

I just undid an edit, but instead of getting the automatic "Reverting edit ##### by User1 to last version by User2" summary, that box was blank. In addition, above the edit window were the captions "Current revision" and "Your text", side by side, as if there's meant to be one editable text window under each. Instead, there was only one such text window beneath them, stretching across under both captions. The page is protected so only registered users can edit it, so that MIGHT have something to do with the problem, though I doubt it.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 20:28, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:It doesn't automatically create an edit summary if you're doing an undo on multiple revisions, so that might be it. Not sure about the other part - it's always shown me a diff at the top of the screen when I've done an undo. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:54, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::Okay, blank edit summary's explained, because it was indeed a group of 3-4 edits being undone all at once. Still inexplicable is the fact that I just checked the page history; it didn't even accept my Undo! LoneGamer78 ended up doing it instead. I've noticed some sluggish response from the site over the past fifteen minutes or so, perhaps whatever caused that was a factor? It may never be known...--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:02, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::Is it possible she just beat you to it by a few moments and thus there was an edit conflict? I've had that happen sometimes, and so there's no diff shown because now the page already matches what you were going to change it to. (Uh, does that make sense?) --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 22:17, 19 February 2011 (EST)
::::Can't rule it out entirely, but edit conflicts usually announce themselves as such, and they DO have two distinct editable text windows: one showing the text as it stands after someone edited while you were typing, the other as it would have been if you'd edited without interference.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 22:24, 19 February 2011 (EST)
:::::A few times I've "undone" an edit, but someone else beat me to it. It doesn't seem to show an edit conflict if that happens, probably because the change is identical to the previous one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 23:06, 19 February 2011 (EST)

== Banner ad question. ==
The small side box ad (the one that's still a free-floater) currently has an ad for some webcomic. Which is fine, but one of the panels has GIANT ERECT LADY NIPPLES ALL OVER THE PLACE. I'm not offended by it, but it's, uh, something. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 06:39, 21 February 2011 (EST)
:Ah, yeah. That'd be because it's an NSFW comic called DarkBrain which is read aloud by "adult film star Tabitha Stevens." -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:50, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:: If people don't like it, I can yank it. I didn't think its THO was that objectionable, apparently, when I okayed it. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:27, 22 February 2011 (EST)

== help ==

I cant find the latest talk please help([[User:Manmcmanman|Manmcmanman]] 15:44, 21 February 2011 (EST))
:What do you mean by the latest talk? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 15:54, 21 February 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen Online Games ==

So, I figured I might as well finish up the online game write-ups for Revenge of the Fallen online games, in case they go offline once Dark of the Moon comes out. But, hot damn, do I ever suck. Which means I'm not very likely to get pics of later levels in some of these games. I'll be trying to add in whatever I can to these sections, but some help would be much appreciated! --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:57, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:I can have a go at getting some screencaps tonight if no one else does. Which games in particular? I noticed some of them are already gone a couple of weeks ago, as Hasbro has redirected most of the monkeybar site they were on to the Hub site, which doesn't have them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)
::Well, personally I'm having difficulty getting pics of every character's sprite from Battle for the Matrix. I'm currently working on The RPMs Devastator game. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 18:41, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:::I got caps of everyone except the Fallen, haven't uploaded them yet though. I couldn't get the [[flying drone]]s to transform either. They just seem to fly around wildly in robot mode. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:56, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::Dang! The Fallen is the only one I can't get to either! And yeah, the flying drones are near-impossible to get a screencap of. I got a couple mid-transformation, but that's it. If any of your pics are better than mine, feel free to replace them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 13:55, 23 February 2011 (EST)
:::::I went and got pics from Flight of the Bumblebee and Allspark Highway. Unfortunately I can't get pics of Ratchet from the later since robovision isn't up anymore! Darn! I'll upload them later. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:45, 23 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I grabbed a screenshot of The Fallen finally. Man, that game is a memory hog. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:38, 25 February 2011 (EST)

== Countdown? ==

Sorry if this isn't the right place to put this, but a while back ago, there was a countdown to ROTF on the Main Page. Perhaps a countdown to DOTM would now be appropriate as it's so close?

Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to program/insert/design/<insert verb here> a countdown on a wiki page (it's for another wiki). What template or whatever does that use? I'd be very grateful if someone could tell me.

Again, terribly sorry if this is the wrong place to say this...
 - [[User:Queso|¡Usa El Queso!]] 4:02 PM, 22 February 2011 A.D.
:Dark of the Moon countdown based on Derik's ROTF code: {{#expr: ({{ #time: U |July 1, 2011}} - {{ #time: U }})/86400 round 0}} days until [[Dark of the Moon (film)|TF: Dark of the Moon]]! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 22 February 2011 (EST)

==When to omit "Transformers" from an article title==
So I got a hankering to remove the "Transformers" from [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and all of their related pages, since unlike [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]], there's just no good reason to break policy for them. There are [[Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|other video games that we drop the "TF" from]], and if "Prime" is too common a term, then what about "[[Energon (franchise)|Energon]]" or "[[Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]"?

But then I decided to check out [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Search?ns0=1&search=Transformers&searchx=Search&limit=500 which pages use "Transformers" in their titles,] and holyyyyyyyy crap. I copy-pasted here all the ones I found that I thought could lose the "Transformers" without negating their meaning, destroying a phrase, or otherwise severely damaging the title. (I added an "(etc.)" to each one that represents a series of identically-worded pages):

[[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Animated (franchise)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Universe (Marvel comic)]] 
[[1-2-3 Transformers]] 
[[Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Legends]] 
[[Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (N64)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)]] 
[[The Transformers: Battle to Save the Earth]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Energon Within]] 
[[The Transformers Collection]] 
[[Transformers Quest]] 
[[Transformers Key Recovery: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Power Up: The Game]] 
[[Transformers Cybertron: Primus Unleashed]] 
[[Transformers PD Type]] 
[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]] 
[[Transformers Generations]] 
[[Transformers: Rise of the Chevy Autobots]] 
[[Transformers Annual 1990]] (etc.) 
[[The Transformers Sticker Book (1986)]] 
[[Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)]] 
[[Transformers: The Junior Novel]] 
[[Look and Find Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Coloring and Activity Book and Crayons]] 
[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers: Learn to Count Activity Tablet]] 
[[Transformers The Reusable Sticker Book]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Storybook]] 
[[Transformers: The Movie Guide]] 
[[Transformers Prime Time]] 
[[Transformers Mix & Match]] 
[[Transformers Comic issue 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers The Game (console)]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Autobots/Decepticons]] 
[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]] 
[[Transformers: Mosaic]] 
[[Transformers Name Generator]] 
[[Transformers Battle Universe]] 
[[The Transformers: Binaltech & TF Collection Complete Guide]] 
[[The Transformers Comic Magazine]] 
[[Transformers Pop-Up Book]] 
[[Transformers Visualworks]] 
[[Transformers Tooth Tunes]] 
[[Transformers Tapestry]] 
[[Transformers Song Universe]] 
[[Transformers G1: Awakening]] 
[[Transformers Armada Annual 2004]] 
[[Transformers: Beginnings]] 
[[Transformers the Movie water]] 
[[Transformers: The Score]] 
[[Transformers: The Thirteen]] 
[[Transformers: War Within Omnibus]] 
[[Transformers: The Ride]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game]] 
[[Beast Wars Transformers Jigsaw Puzzle]] 
[[Transformers: Kōtetsu no Yūki]] 
[[The Transformers Continuum: The Definitive Chronology]] 
[[The Transformers: Bumblebee]] 
[[Transformers Adventures]] (etc.) 
[[Top Trumps: Transformers]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Race for the Mini-Con Robots]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Battle Begins]] 
[[Transformers Armada: Secret of the Star Saber]] 
[[Transformers Armada: The Autobots Strike Back]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 1]] 
[[Transformers Galaxy Force: Sound Pack 2]] 
[[Transformers Theme Song Collection]] 
[[The Transformers: Drift]] 
[[Transformers Revenge of the Fallen Annual 2010]] 
[[Transformers CyberToy]] 
[[Transformers Hall of Fame]] 
[[The Transformers: Ironhide]] 
[[Transformers Evo.]] 
[[The Transformers Legends of the Microns: Sound of Evolution Vol. 1]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Music Matrix]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide]] 
[[Transformers Ultimate Guide: Revenge]] 
[[Transformers: Battle for the Matrix]] 
[[Transformers: Coloring and Activity Book and Stickers]] 
[[Transformers: Activity Book and Gel Pen]] 
[[Transformers: Sector 7]] 
[[Transformers: Cybertron Adventures]] 
[[Transformers Cards]] 
[[Transformers RPMs: Devastator's Demise]] 
[[Cadbury's Transformers Card Game]] 
[[Ridiculous Legend Transformers]] 
[[Famicom How-to Manga: Transformers: Mystery of Convoy]] 
[[Transformers Caramel]] 
[[Transformers Comic-Magazin]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Extra Comic-Sonderheft]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers Super-Auswahlband]] (etc.) 
[[Transformers: Energon Valentine's cards]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 1]] 
[[The Transformers: Infestation issue 2]]

For many of them, the choice to keep or drop the "TF" seems intuitive, and many others are in a grey area... but I'll be damned if I can put into words any kind of coherent rationale. I'm seriously thinking that we've outgrown the "drop extraneous 'TF's" rule. Back when we only had a few hundred pages, it made a certain kind of sense: Why bother writing out stuff like "Transformers: Generation 2" when just "Generation 2" is equally meaningful to everyone here? Besides, isn't every page about Transformers by default? But in the past five years, both the wiki and the subject matter have exploded, and with both so many fine-grain, obscure topics being covered and so much not-strictly-TF content we've added, I don't think the policy serves us anymore. It doesn't make things simple; it makes things arbitrary and unpredictable.

So unless someone can sum up our policy in a way that makes a lick of sense, I propose: '''If a topic has an official title, then that should be used in full as the title of the relevant articles.''' Period. So [[Transformers: War for Cybertron]] and [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] would stay right where they are, and yes, [[Generation 2 (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)", [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)]] would become "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)", etc. I don't think we'd need to make that change happen instantly, but we could slowly propagate it as people feel inclined to. I also think we can keep the parenthetical abbreviations and in-sentence references as short as they currently are; this is only about the titles.

Thoughts?

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:43, 22 February 2011 (EST)
:What are these "Transformers"? -[[Special:Contributions/75.185.113.106|75.185.113.106]] 18:58, 22 February 2011 (EST)

::I've always been for having the full name as article titles. (Maybe also drop the "(franchise)" disambigs, because durr, but that's other topic.) Not only do we keep the full name of the subject, it aids us in disambiguation (it's easier to have smaller sets of "Transformers: Cybertron" and "Cybertron" than a large set of just "Cybertron"). [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:22, 22 February 2011 (EST)

:::I don't have an opinion on adding or removing "Transformers:" from articles (other than that adding it would perhaps make articles and reading unnecessarily longer - right now, I hate having to type out "Transformers Animated" before "The AllSpark Almanac"), but I do oppose removing (franchise). If there's one thing I hate, it's when there's one 'most important' page that goes undisamb'ed (like Spark) and you'll have to go through a lot of trouble to ensure it all is meant to link there. When I cleaned up the Lithone links for planet and species, nearly every single one link directed the wrong way. Same for D-HQ, AllSpark vs Allspark, Junkion, Black Friday, etc. So, keep (franchise). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 01:49, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I too think "Transformers: " should be kept as well as " (franchise)". --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:46, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::I don't mind losing Transformers when it the prefix in a title that's the form of Transformers: <subtitle>, as in that case the subtitle itself is more the actual official name and "Transformers" is just tacked on as an extra identifier.

::::But in some of those things, Transformers is, well, a vital part of the thing's actual name. I mean, for instance, the Club's full official name ''is'' "Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club", so removing "Transformers" from it would be incorrect. --[[Special:Contributions/67.252.49.31|67.252.49.31]] 03:00, 23 February 2011 (EST)

:::::I don't think that distinction is clear enough to be workable anymore. Looking at that list, tons of them I have no idea which side of the divide they'd fall on. For instance, "[[Transformers Legends]]" is the proper title of the book; that's how it would be listed in any store or library, but for ''our'' purposes the "TF" is as extraneous as the one that we omit from [[Energon (comic)]] or [[Dinobots Strike Back]]. The "for our purposes" thing is so often so questionable... like, what would that dictate for [[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]? It's definitely a subtitle situation like you described, but there are lots of non-TF "Ultimate Guide"s published by the same company... but we would never cover them, so for our purposes is the "TF" still redundant?
:::::I agree with Geewunling that it would be annoying to have to type out longer titles (though readability should be unchanged, since I think we could still truncate in-sentence references). But right NOW it's annoying that our lack of a coherent policy is making everything increasingly unpredictable. We're seeing a lot of creep in the form of stuff like [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)]] and for some reason video games. So I don't even know what should be "corrected" anymore or how to decide the matter when creating a new article.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 13:58, 23 February 2011 (EST)

::::::The annoyance of editors doesn't really enter into my consideration; the wiki is ultimately for the readers, not our convenience. If we have to do some more work for the best presentation, so be it. —Interrobang, not logged in

:I'm OK with moving articles to put Transformers into the title so long as we don't delete the redirects. If we move "Revenge of the Fallen (film)" to "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)", there are going to be a whole bunch of sites linking to the old URL, and I don't wanna have a repeat of the "(Shattered Glass)" thing where all the redirects get deleted and a whole lot of other sites are pointing to useless error pages. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:25, 23 February 2011 (EST)

=="(WFC)" vs. "(Prime)"==
There are currently [[Talk:Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#"(WFC)" instead of "(Prime)" for characters that originated in this franchise?|two]] [[Talk:Optimus Prime (Prime)#Move|discussions]] going about whether articles on subjects that originated in ''War for Cybertron''-branded fiction (the [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|games]], [[Transformers: Exodus|novel]], and [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|comic]]) should be titled "(WFC)" rather than "(Prime)". It was suggested that this should be brought up in the Community Portal, so here it is.

For the record, looking at [[War for Cybertron games#Featured Characters|this list]], right now we're using "(Prime)" for all named characters, even those currently exclusive to WfC, and "(WFC)" for all character ''types'' from the games. I'm not sure why that is, but that's the state of things.

- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:46, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:I completely agree with Jackpot. It is stupid we have an article called [[Ultra Magnus (Prime)]] stating "Ultra Magnus is an Autobot Wrecker from the WFC portion of the Aligned family continuity". I blame myself for not doing this a lot earlier, treating the WFC navbox as like a subsection of Prime when the novel was so clearly a tie-in to those games. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 18:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::WFC is a tie-in game. As I pointed out, how many Mini-Cons from the PS2 Transformers game use the disambiguator "(Transformers)"? And even then, what of novel-original characters? Do they get "(Exodus)"? And heck, didn't Exodus come out ''before'' WFC? Shouldn't the characters thusly use "(Exodus)" over "(WFC)" or "(Prime)"? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 18:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::: The book and game came out on the same day, as I recall. So... yeah. I'm completely against this. We used "Prime" because that was the name we WERE using for the continuity family; frankly, I find this wishy-washy "aligned continuity family" thing pretty lame. The core of the damn family is the Prime cartoon. It is THE central feature, and will be THE major fictional outlet and -almost assuredly- what future non-show fictions will adhere more closely to. I don't see the point in all this subdividing and adding more parantheticals. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:19, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::I find it ''extremely'' hard to believe that if Hasbro's "decade" plan goes through, ''Prime'' is the last franchise we're going to see spring from it. Even Aaron Archer thinks "Prime" is a bad name for the overall deal. Given what a fractured start it's already off to, I think separating out the "family" foundation is the only sensible thing to do. So that's why [[Aligned continuity family]] exists.
::::As for the "(WFC)" notion, I'm not as personally attached to that, even though I do think it's the correct thing to do. Mostly I think that WfC needs to be acknowledged as an entity unto itself, not just a subset of ''Prime''. Strictly from a branding point of view, it ISN'T a subset; nothing has been both WfC- and Prime-branded. It's not just the title of a video game; it's in the titles of [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|a comic]] and [[Transformers: Exodus|a novel]], plus they've made [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)#Toys|toys from it]] that definitely don't fit the ''Prime'' brand. (True, the toys aren't labeled "WfC", but that's par for the course with ''Generations'' anyway. At the very least, it's a grey area.) Beyond branding, it just has a unique aesthetic and sensibility that's very different from ''Prime''.
::::Based on all that, the best place WfC fits in our schema is as a "franchise", to my judgement. "''Prime'' tie-in" doesn't cut it.
::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:55, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::WFC is not ''just'' a tie-in game. It has [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fcfb1b5-19b9-f369-10be-e91a2108d9ab online bios] and [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/play/details.cfm?guid=7fd5ecd9-19b9-f369-1041-a7635be83172 online timeline]. Hasbro made it its own thing. Franchise-like. Before any Prime show started we learned from the timeline that [[Megatron (Prime)|D-16]] was an Energon mine laborer and rose to prominence in secret gladiatorial combat and took the name "Megatron". So [[Megatron (Prime)]] had a whole history before the show even existed. The non-show characters with the (Prime) disambiguation also shows it doesn't quite fit. I'd go for WFC. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:35, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::AGAIN, Exodus came out the SAME DAY. So why does WFC get prominence? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 19:56, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::Because that's the phrase that's used in the names of [[War for Cybertron games|all]] [[Transformers: Exodus|the]] [[Transformers: War for Cybertron (comic)|media]]. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::I don't see how the subline "The official history of the war for Cybertron" is the exact same as "War For Cybertron: The Vidya Game". --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:24, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::I agree. Aside from three (ambiguous) words on the book's front, there's not much that says it's part of the WFC "franchise". Same for Generations. If they wanted to, they could have made figures of every War for Cybertron character and released it in a toyline explicitly called "Transformers: War for Cybertron". But they didn't; they just released five toys based on WFC designs and released them under Generations, so Generations is a WFC toy line as much as it is a G1 one (actually, probably more of G1 considering how very few WFC toys there were). The video games are only different because of hardware limitations, so having multiple games with the same title does not a franchise make. Having a website with bios and everything is a moot point, because almost every video game has that. The comic, I'll give you that one, but I don't think it's a franchise if it's a game and a tie-in comic with a limited release. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:30, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::For what it's worth, when you [http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/Transformers-War-for-Cybertron.cfm click on "War For Cybertron"] it brings up all the Generations toys. I also think the WFC timeline ties in Exodus to WFC since the events in the comic and timeline are basically from the book. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::::::::It also brings up PCC Icepick (item 12 of 12, on page 2). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:52, 28 February 2011 (EST)

::::::::The WfC-branded timeline and comic both cover events in ''Exodus''. Hell, the comic was written by the same dude. I don't understand the logic that says that the "War for Cybertron" in the novel's title doesn't mean the same thing. If there were a novel called "Deuteronomy: The Official History of the Beast Wars" set during the events of the cartoon, I wouldn't be trying to say it was part of the ''Beast Machines'' franchise.
::::::::Let me put in a slightly different light: Because franchises are branding-based, not continuity-based, I'm not comfortable with the ''Prime'' franchise being stretched to include all this stuff that doesn't have the ''Prime'' label on it. Yes, it's clearly all RELATED, story-wise, but that's what [[Aligned continuity family|continuity pages]] are for. This feels like taking ''Machine Wars'' (which is the opposite kind of sparse: a toyline with virtually no fiction) and rolling it into G2. Sure, they're in the same family, and there are connections between the two, but they're not marketed with the same label, so we don't do it. Before ''Prime'' existed, there were these other forms of media sharing a unique title (that even got the TF-logo lockup treatment!) and covering common ground. Then ''Prime'' showed up, and so far the two labels have not been seen on the same product. To me, that means two franchises.
::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:20, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:::::::::But... there is no overarching label on the products we have poked into the WFC "Franchise". "Transformers: War for Cybertron" has its own logo which is also on the tie-in comic, and Exodus has its own logo. They're still prequels to TF:Prime. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 21:33, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::::::::I guess I just see the "War for Cybertron" in the title of ''Exodus'' as having more meaning than you do. Yeah, Hasbro could've been more blatant if they'd wanted to, but it's still clearly telling the reader it's part of the same deal as the WfC games and comic, without making any reference to ''Prime'' (or vice-versa). I can imagine a situation where the ''Prime'' branding might retroactively subsume WfC, like how the "Wreckers" comic was given the ''Universe'' brand (they say there's another game coming out, after all). But that hasn't happened yet, so in the meantime I say WfC doesn't belong under the ''Prime'' franchise.
::::::::::Anyway, at this point if we don't see eye-to-eye, we probably won't, so I'm going to shut up now.
::::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

:What about the next thing after ''Prime'' that is in the Modern/Aligned continuity? We would have a new disambiguation, like, "Spike (Next Franchise)." and characters that have never been in Prime, like "Ultra Magnus (Prime)." Kind of confusing. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:57, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::No it isn't. The idea that WFC/Exodus are part of a big wad of continuity colloquially known as "Prime", and referred to as "Prime" because the "Prime" cartoon is THE core of the whole shebang, and will liekly BE said core for the near future, is not a hard one. It only gets confusing when you start letting obfuscating pedantry in, at which point you're only making more work for no payoff and making things harder for our readers. A trend which seems to keep coming up over and over again, I've noticed... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)
:::I'm pretty sure I've had my share of "obfuscating pedantry" moments, but I completely agree with Siph on this one. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:18, 28 February 2011 (EST)
::::For the record, if people really think that using "(WFC)" would be confounding to readers, that's not a decision I'm very invested in. This discussion has ballooned into bigger issues that I ''do'' feel more strongly about, but the parenthetical itself is very take-it-or-leave-it for me. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 22:39, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I would at the least support migrating characters who have thus far ''only'' appeared in WFC to the appropriate parenthetical.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:55, 1 March 2011 (EST)
:And move them back if they appear in Prime? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:03, 1 March 2011 (EST)
::Yes. I think that would make the most sense to people looking for the characters.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::I am willing to make this compromise for the time being. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 14:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)

==War For Cybertron==
War for cybertron is a relativley new game, but it is a great one. I am kind of new on this website, but to me, it looks like the War For Cybertron title has gotten mixed up with Transformers: Prime, a completley diffrent universe. also, WFC is G1 Canon. All the WFC pages and articles should be labled on G1, MAJOR cleanup is needed. {{unsigned|Holymoses|06:30, March 3, 2011 (EST)}}
:You clearly ''are'' quite new, because we would advise you to read [[Aligned continuity family|this article]] before you start in on this notion. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 06:33, 3 March 2011 (EST)
:In Hasbro's own words: "The TRANSFORMERS brand team would like to confirm that Transformers War for Cybertron video game, Transformers Exodus novel, and the Transformers Prime television show are in the same aligned continuity. Hasbro is creating a single continuity to tell the bulk of our TRANSFORMERS stories going forward." Here's the [http://www.allspark.com/content/view/8189/20/ link] to the announcement --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 06:45, 3 March 2011 (EST)
::You aren't completely wrong. The game developers were heavily inspired by G1, and were pretty much making a G1 game as far as they knew. It's just that, like Khajidha said, Hasbro says War for Cybertron is part of the same continuity as Prime, so that's what the wiki goes with. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:00, 4 March 2011 (EST)

Well that still seems weird, since "Prime" has a completley diffrent story, and "Exodus" doesnt connect the two sagas very well. even if its what Hasbro said, i think we should put all this into consideration, Aaron Archer himself said that War for Cybertron was a game set in the G1 Universe. I think its wrong of Hasbro to try and connect the two diffrent Continuities. {{unsigned|Holymoses|09:12, March 4, 2011 (EST)}}
:First of all, when did Aaron Archer say that? Second, Hasbro gets to define what is in each continuity for the simple reason that it is their intellectual property. It may not be to your liking, but it cannot be wrong as they are the ones who determine what is right. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::Yeah, gonna need a source on that Archer statement. Especially since he's been amongst the ones saying WFC/Exodus is part of the new continuity. Also, weren't a lot of elements in WFC, like Dark Energon, Hasbro mandates from a story bible they supplied the creators (hereby proving that Hasbro's intent was always for it to be part of the new continuity), or am I imagining things again? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 10:08, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::From what I read about that production bible, it is a result of guys at Hasbro sitting down and "[http://collider.com/roberto-orci-jeff-kline-interview-transformers-prime/75039/ coalescing all the mythologies] that they had institutionally for years. Actually putting it down to paper." It sounds like they were just collecting and not adding new stuff in. I wouldn't be surprised if Dark Energon were added ''after'' it was in the game. And what about timing? Orci said Hasbro put together the bible after the movies came out (in mid 2009). The video game came out in mid 2010 with a video game lead time of ??? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:27, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::Unless Dark Energon is actually just the new name for Angolmois energy. The name may have been taken from the video game, but the concept could well have been in the production bible before WFC. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:37, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::What a load of supposition and crap. I hereby dub it "crapposition". I can pretty much say that you are completely wrong. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 4 March 2011 (EST)
:::::[http://www.joystiq.com/2010/05/05/interview-matt-tieger-of-high-moon-studios-on-transformers/ Matt Tieger said] that High Moon started working on WfC when they shipped their "Bourne" game, which according to the accompanying notes was mid-2008, between the first movie and RotF. [http://www.cheatcc.com/extra/interviewtransformerswarforcybertron2.html This interview] talks up the G1 inspiration and then says the WfC storyline is "a completely original story that we made up at High Moon. We worked closely with Hasbro..." The consistent impression I've gotten from several different interviews is that High Moon started from G1 and then made pitches to Hasbro, which Hasbro would provide feedback on, and eventually there was a game. The only people who I've seen actually talk about the 400-page story-bible are the ''Prime'' creators. And if Orci was being literal when he said the bible was put together "after the movie’s came out", then game development would've indeed started earlier. At the very least, it sounds pretty likely that there was some simultaneous creation.
:::::In the end, the chicken-and-egg question is basically moot because either way, WfC is part of the new deal. It doesn't matter who said the words "Dark Energon" first; it's part of the structure that binds all of the pieces, so that's that. But for nitpicking's sake, Starfield's suppositions aren't off-base from the evidence we have. Siph, if you have additional info that clarifies or contradicts any of that, please share.
:::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 19:44, 4 March 2011 (EST)
::::::I, similarly, have found it quite plausible when thinking on the subject to believe that High Moon could have created the idea of Dark Energon, and that Hasbro then said to themselves "We can use THAT!" and put it in the bible. It's certainly outside the realm of possibility, unless you know something we don't, Siph. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 05:24, 5 March 2011 (EST)

:Because nothing whatsoever can change in the millions of years between the WFC era and the Prime cartoon era. And yeah, good luck sourcing that Aaron claim. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:24, 4 March 2011 (EST)
I think that if they were in the game or in Exodus:The Offical History of the War for Cybertron, they should be labled (WFC),but if they poped into the Prime teley-show or comics, they should be labled (Prime).-[ [User:DinoDigger97|DinoDigger97]] 2:11 3 Apil 2011

== Captured-Prey ads ==

One of the things advertised there appears to be a fan-made Megatron min-figure. Seeing as how everybody was upset that the TFSource ad [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive47#TFsource_ad_buy|featured fansproject stuff]], surely, this isn't right either? [[User:Item42|Item42]] 05:33, 8 March 2011 (EST)
:Check the section back up this page titled [[#Project_Wonderful_ads|Project Wonderful ads]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:59, 8 March 2011 (EST)

== Revenge of the Fallen video game character articles - [X] Scout 1, [X] Scout 2 pages for the same design ==

With the upcoming DOTM games, I thought I should look at the ROTF game articles that were abandoned in 2009 and see if I could do anything for them. I believe it was Derik who made this decision, but I am now wondering if it is necessary to have say [[Aerialbot Scout 1]] and [[Aerialbot Scout 2]], [[Omnibot Scout 1]] and [[Omnibot Scout 2]] (and so on) considering "Scout 1" and "Scout 2" are just the two different colour schemes for these mass produced generic, nameless characters who only differ in terms of textures. Any completed articles on these will have different images, but exactly the same information. Isn't that redundant? Should we perhaps just stick both of each under Aeriabot Scout, Omnibot Scout, Stunticon Scout? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:According to the articles the two Aerialbot Scouts have different health, primary weapon and secondary weapon ratings. Is that enough for separation? I don't know, but it should be considered before making a decision. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::I don't even know where those stats came from - I don't believe the person who filled them in originally ever explained. Were they from a website, article or guide book? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)

== Found some much needed images, but... ==

I found them on [http://transformersiv.mforos.com/1519135/8979801-transformers-g1-aventuras-y-nostalgias-que-nunca-moriran/ this site], and I don't speak the language (I think it's Spanish) to ask for their permission to use them. The images are covers of the [[Marvel Books]] titles [[Battle at Oil Valley]], [[Summertime Coloring Book]], and [[Super Activity Book]]. That's right we don't even have an article for that last one. They also have page scans of these and other Marvel Books titles. I don't feel right just taking them for our use here and was wondering if someone who spoke the lingo would contact them for us. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:21, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Nevermind, Google Chrome finally remembered that it had translational abilities. The poster is offering them for download to all and sundry, so he/she can hardly care if we borrow them. I'll probably still insert a link to the main site out of courtesy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:22, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::After looking at them, I realized that they were Steve Stonebreaker's scans. I have contacted him and received permission to use them here. I'll be adding more soon. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:55, 16 March 2011 (EDT)

== Hey, I've got a new user talk page template request... ==
[[Image:Rebirth1 Hardhead and Blurr.jpg|right|thumb|300px|TOO MANY QUOTES]]
Can we have one that reminds folks that every new thing in Transformers that even vaguely reminds you of an old thing in Transformers IS NOT A REFERENCE AND THAT IS NOT HOW REFERENCES WORK AND STOP PUTTING THEM IN THE "TRANSFORMERS REFERENCES" SECTION. Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:18, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:You mean like [[Template:notareference|this]]? --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 23:22, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
::Hooray! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:30, 13 March 2011 (EDT)
:::Brilliant. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 02:39, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::That's an oldie, but a goodie. Personally, I'm wondering if there's any template that can be set up for the people that just drown episode articles in quotes... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:42, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::I think we'd first need a consensus on how many quotes are appropriate. [[User:JW|JW]] 07:41, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::It's a conversation that needs to be had, I think. You have to take length of the story into account - there are more quotes in a two hour movie than in a twenty five minute episode. I'd put the early cutoff at around five for episodes, though. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 08:00, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I like the idera of a mximum of 5 per 30 minutes (or part thereof) for Episodes & movies, but what would be a good size for comics? I'd say around 3 per issue, but it breaks down with short issues and back up stories (i.e.e most of the Marvel UK exclusive stuff...) [[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 10:19, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::I'd set a "soft" limit higher for 30-minute episodes {{m-}} around 10 quotes {{m-}} and I'd allow more than that if the episode was particularly well-written or quotable. I don't think there's any need for a low, hard limit, as I don't think lots of quotes hurt the wiki until we get into "quoting the whole darn episode" territory. Heck, in fact, I might favor a policy of ''judging each quote for itself.'' I.e., if a quote is good/noteworthy/illustrative/funny/wadeva, it can be kept, even if there are two dozen other quotes already. Each must stand on its merits, but there would be no hard cap. [[User:JW|JW]] 11:31, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, some episodes happen to have a lot of funny/significant/memorable lines, others don't. If we set a hard cap, we might be damning ourselves to a lot of pointless fights over which quotes deserve to be included under the arbitrary limit. I'm more in favor of making a list of criteria that we can point to when we weed lame quotes out.
:::::::::Oh, and I support making a template. ''Prime'' Soundwave is the best character I can think of to use, but Movie Bumblebee or G1 Wreck-Gar would also be appropriate. Or a shot of G1 Soundwave with a tape inside of him? Can't think of a good header, though...
:::::::::- [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 11:49, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::I mainly suggested it as a starting point because if it comes down to putting each quote in place based on "which one we like more" the talk pages are going to be absolutely horrible. HOW CAN YOU LEAVE OUT MY FAVORITE QUOTE IT IS SO FUNNY AND RELEVANT. The "5 per 30 minutes" is just a suggestion - obviously an episode that's really funny or poignant can get more. Comics issues we could maybe use pagecount as a starting point. But basically, combine the two ideas. A list of criteria is a good idea, but we also need to avoid having like, thirty quotes for a given story, twelve of which are totally shitty. If we get over five-six quotes, it's time to think about trimming, just because seriously, 90% of TF fiction isn't that goddamned quotable - or there are better places for the quotes. "I don't rock and roll - I burn!" belongs on Inferno's page, not on the episode it appeared in. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:51, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::Fair enough. Just so long as the number is sufficiently "soft" that we don't forget that our goal is high quality, not an arbitrarily low quantity. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 12:17, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Exactly. Like I said, I think we can also judiciously use key ''character'' quotes on the ''characters''' pages. Some quotes are very episode/story specific, while others provide insight into a character's personality or mindset. I think that's a good way to winnow the chaff, you know? -hx at work not logged in gotta run
::::::::::::::The 5-6 quotes before we start trimming sounds good, especially if some more individual character based quotes can be moved to the character pages. The big problem I keep seeing with quotes is that too many people want to quote an entire scene. If it goes beyond 3 lines it's probably not what we mean by quote here. And even 3 lines is pushing it. These should really be a single line quip or a two line set up and pay off. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:22, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::::5 to 6 sounds like a good starting point to me as well. Khajidha makes a good point about the definition of quote. That, along with Hooks' point about using key character quotes on that character's article, should be pointed out on [[Help:Example episode article]], once it exists. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 17:32, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
What about block quotes? The page for Transformers (2007) is full of them. I think there should be a limit on how long the quote can be.--[[User:Megatron Prime|Megatron Prime]] 16:48, 19 May 2011 (EDT)
== Maybe a silly question, can we? ==

Ok, exposing my ignorance here, but isthere a way to search the wiki by alt-mode? If I wanted to know every TF that turns into a Helicopter say? There's not a "helicopter" catagory, so howwould I find them all? Thanks for any help.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:59, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:[[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]] covers some characters. There's been a few vague proposals to create a new hierarchy of categories for altmodes, but it would be a lot of work, and it's generally shouted down. [[User:JW|JW]] 20:08, 19 March 2011 (EDT)
:I think the current best option if you want to do something like this is TFU.info's Identify section. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 11:00, 30 March 2011 (EDT)

==Grimlock letter==
[[Image:Grimlock letter.jpg|thumb|right]]
I recently acquired this and thought it's exactly the sort of thing we should be covering. I had no idea it even existed until a friend sent it to me and on that thought, should we add letters from Soundwave, Ratchet(?), Dreadwind and Blaster to the Holy Grails? Was there a similar response from the US comic, and do Titan still send these letters out today from Starscream? Enquiring minds want to know. Incidentally, he said he got Tailgate as his free mini-toy. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 15:31, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
:Good find. A letter from Grimlock is pretty awesome. That should go somewhere. The Letters Page page? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:58, 29 March 2011 (EDT)
::I've added a link from there; I'll type it up verbatim if we think it's justified? --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 18:09, 29 March 2011 (EDT)

== Voice actors by series ==

We have a bunch of categories for voice actors by language, but I was wondering if we should have categories for voice actors by series? Would categories like "Beast Wars voice actors" and "Victory voice actors" be useful? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 04:27, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

:That could be useful. It'd be better than looking up cast lists and opening up every character page, at least. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:30, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

::Sound like a nice idea to me. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:01, 14 April 2011 (EDT)

== "Just Stop" Notice? ==

Do we think there's a role for the following proposed user notice template, for users like Eagc7?

{{messagebox|image_name=War_War_Stop_It.jpg|image_width=225px|width=90%|header=Just Stop|message_text=Please stop editing this wiki. While you haven't done anything ban-worthy (yet), you are not a productive contributor. (The reasons ''why'' are above this notice on your talk page.) So, please, '''just stop.'''}}

Opinions? [[User:JW|JW]] 14:39, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:If one is created, I love this image for it! --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 15:35, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::It seems a bit rude, but the image would be ''perfect'' if this is made. --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 15:45, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:::If this gets phrased differently, I'd support it. Right now, the text's too rude. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:52, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::::I think it is meant to be rude and probably should be rude. This tag is designed to be placed on the talk pages of people who have seemingly ignored the multiple instances of other tags. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:57, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

I'm a little iffy on this proposal. I admit that Eagc7 has a very poor grasp of the English language, but I'm a little uncomfortable with telling a person to leave a site just because of that. If you look over his fiction edits (the ones you can read) the posts he has made are accurate, just...occasionally unreadable. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:02, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
:I'm with SFH. Eagc7's English seems to be all over the place, but there are times when he gets it more or less correctly and only needs minor typo fixes. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:21, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
Whether a person's edits are bad enough (and bad enough all the time enough) to ask them to never post again seems like something that shouldn't be in the hands of, well, everybody. Putting a template up that says you're a bad speller or that you're not using Preview enough... that's pretty straight forward. But I dunno if I'm comfortable with giving us all a tool to shame each other off the wiki entirely. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:49, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:In addition, if someone's edits are so bad (and so consistently bad) that they're more of a nuisance than they are helpful, then that person should probably just be gotten rid of, instead of getting the Middle Finger Personified In A Template. As Detour said, yeah, Eagc7's English could use some work, but he does enough good here that I don't think he's completely poison or anything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:51, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
I could maybe get behind the idea of a "Stop editing until you've read the complaints on your user page" template for the blissfully unaware people constantly making edits that are being undone as soon as they make them whilst ignoring comments on their user page telling them what they're doing wrong. But a template like THIS, and this sort of behavior in general, is how we end up with trolls that come by and vandalize the wiki on a daily basis for years and years. We could avoid that sort of future headache by just not being all-out douchebags to people even if they're stupid and/or their contributions are annoying. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 17:15, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:I suppose the only problem with making a "read your talk page" template is that they'll never read it. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 18:24, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::: I like this idea, too. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::Got me there. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 18:36, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:This will not go well. If someone's a real pest here, ban them. If they're being a pest but not quite that bad yet, notify them on their talkpage with whichever templates are already needed, and then if they don't clean up, ban them. We shouldn't be creating--publicly--an underclass of users. If you're allowed to have an account here, you're allowed to post--otherwise we look scummy. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

::This is basically every stereotype of this wiki and its userbase given textbox form. I love it. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 20:33, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

The consensus seems to be against it, and the arguments are all good ones. (Kind of a pity, since the image was so perfect, but...) I withdraw the suggestion. Thanks all for weighing in! [[User:JW|JW]] 20:25, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

:It is a good template despite the rudeness, but it is potentially necessary for extreme conditions as a last resort. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 21:01, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

Is it possible that we could reuse that image for another template? Perhaps a Final Warning template, letting users know that if they don't cut their shit out, they're gonna get banned. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:42, 26 April 2011 (EDT)
: Clearly it should be used for a "stop edit/revert warring" template. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:32, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

== Our Blogger blog? ==

To me it appears that our blog doesn't have much use. Our twitter sends out links to occasional pages and our facebook is an easy place to congregate and talk about TFs and not take up our talk pages, but the blog hasn't been used in over half a year.

I'm thinking using it to keep track of current trends and such. We could highlight pages that are being worked on, point out users who have been creating/adding a lot to pages (i.e. Geewunling creating minor GI Joe pages, Chris McFeely going crazy with the Japanese food tie-ins). This way an editor or lurker who happens to miss a few days can easily catch up rather than having to sift through the new pages and new files (and even then if a page has just had an entirely new writeup from a stub, it wouldn't show up there).

Any thoughts on this? --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 14:21, 28 April 2011 (EDT)

:I think it would be a good way to draw attention to obscure and/or new stuff on the Wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:46, 2 May 2011 (EDT)
::I think so, too, but there are questions left unanswered if we want to go ahead with this. Who would be given control over the posts? Should it be extra mod duties or instead given to some other veteran editors? If so, how many? Would we want weekly updates or something with less frequency? Overall, who is in the current position to grant other users the power to add posts. I can see this as a useful too, but like many things on this wiki, we need to come up with some sort of procedure before it comes to fruition. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 11:33, 3 May 2011 (EDT)

==TFwiki in the past week==
Could someone tell me why the TFwiki has been down/inaccessible for most of the time in the past week? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:04, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:I would wager "massive spikes in traffic, as DotM stuff hits," which has happened before.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:20, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::I thought traffic wouldn't be a likely cause since the third movie is still over a month away. Guess I was wrong. Thanks! [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:27, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

:::There's at least some clamor now that the toys are out there.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 02:46, 10 May 2011 (EDT)

::::Technical explanation or non-technical? Traffic HAS picked up a bit, the wiki hardware (such as it is) is slightly overtaxed, and we need to start doing some math on what we can separate into other servers, and how much it'll cost to do so.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 16:15, 13 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::Cowboy time. We've moved the application server and cache to another box, and synced over the contents. If anything's missing, we can try to sync it over from the old webserver, but it wouldn't be off by more than a few minutes, so here's hoping that we're back in business!--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:43, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::No wonder the connection becomes smooth again recently. Nice Works!! --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 22:45, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, I'd noticed that the site was back to normal. Thanks for the hard work. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 22:52, 17 May 2011 (EDT)

::::::Thanks for fixing our wiki! [[User:JW|JW]] 07:15, 18 May 2011 (EDT)

== Eagc7's movie comic section edits ==

Lately Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is good. However, Eagc7 has been editing the somewhat neglected movie prequel comic sections in character articles, which is bad. I know he tries, but whenever he does this sort of thing, he just ends up creating work for somebody else to clean up, and frankly, it's easier to write stuff from scratch than it is to fix somebody's spelling & grammar, as well as trying to make the text fit the tone and style of the paragraphs surrounding it (which is important considering the Foundation comics take place during the other Movie prequel comics). I haven't read Foundation and Rising Storm, [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/Eagc7 so I can't fix all of this myself], but that seems like a fair bit of work to fix at a time when the wiki was experiencing random downtime and BotCon is rapidly approaching (meaning a good chunk of our regular editors will not be able to edit much, and in any case would be updating stuff about/from BotCon). Like I said, I know he's trying, and he's getting much better than he used to be, but... maybe he should leave fiction edits to the professionals. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:27, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:Take it up with him via his Talk Page or the E-mail a User link. If there's really a stylistic problem, then we need a Style Guide for new users to reference.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:04, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

==Page views==
Where have they gone? I believe that they have disappeared from down the pages since the move a few weeks ago. Can they be put back? [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:09, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
: I don't recall pageviews... What in specific are you talking about? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:12, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::I guess [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:Popularpages popular pages]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 16:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::Yeah those, how often a page has been visited. I kinda liked keeping tabs on relative popularity in pages (like how Mayumi and Shinichi ''never'' lost their 2:1 view ratio). [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 16:24, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::The broken popular pages has apparently been a thing lately, as I noticed Abates was removing and re-adding the link to [[MediaWiki:Recentchangestext]] earlier this month. Maybe he knows more about it? --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 18:41, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::No more than anyone else. I noticed it was gone and removed it from the template, but then it came back when we did the move so I readded it. I guess it got removed again, possibly for performance reasons? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:58, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
::::::If I had to make a poorly-educated guess, the pageview thing sounds exactly like one of the many things I had to remove from Shortpacked.com to keep it from lagging so so badly. Lots of neat little things like page tracking and stuff like that used to be on there, but they were more trouble, resources-wise, than they were worth. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:20, 29 May 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I didn't change anything, but I generally make it a point to keep away from the Mediawiki software config, for fear of breaking that which I don't understand. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:07, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
::::::::May have been Scout I guess? Looks like [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDisableCounters $wgDisableCounters] got turned on at some point anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:02, 9 June 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::Wait, that WAS me. $wgDisableCounters is supposed to be off for squid-cached installations anyway, since it doesn't actually work when you add a cache. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 21:26, 12 June 2011 (EDT)

== Why is Melissa from Kiss Players on the same Page as Marissa Faireborn from G1? ==

I know they are some how connected ,but i see the two as different as G1 Starscream is to Animated Starscream ,maybe the same history ,but a little different.--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Michael Alex Kawa]] 10:43, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:They are related in the same way that Orion Pax is related to G1 Optimus Prime. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 10:51, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
: Marissa = Marissa. Same continuity and everything. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:02, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== I don't know if this was what you are looking for when you asked for Kiss Players radio play translations ,but i hope this helps . ==

I found this on Youtube cause I LOVE Melissa and noticed in that Holy Grail thingy that you guys needed Kiss Players radio play translations .I hope this helps ,even if it doesn't it is still pretty cool and CUTE .I did not make it so that is noted .Here is the link so you guys can go and look to see if it what is needed ,it is the only one i can find ,if it helps i will try to find more .[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZvUg2c649Y]
--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 18:25, 2 June 2011 (EDT)

I also found this site ,it gives a brief description of the radio play ,again i hope this helps .[http://www.toyvey.com/kisskiss/radioplay/index.html]--[[User:Michael Alex Kawa|Melissa]] 14:32, 3 June 2011 (EDT)
:I haven't looked at the material myself yet (I'm afraid it'll make me have to clean myself until I bleed to get the stain out) but if it's legit, then thank you very, VERY much. This stuff needs to be cataloged to serve as a warning to future generations. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 07:25, 5 June 2011 (EDT)

== The multiverse ==
So, at BotCon, Aaron Archer declared the Aligned continuity separate from the old, more meta multiverse. How does everyone want to approach this? Separate the aligned information about Primus, Unicron and the members of the 13, or keep it together for easy access and lack of confusion just as one article covers the various versions of the Matrix, or Energon, or the AllSpark? [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:06, 6 June 2011 (EDT)
:Wait for Japan to release some piece of fiction with Prime as part of the Multiverse, then ignore him with a clear conscience. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:05, 29 June 2011 (EDT)
::Huh. I never realized until now that Japan even had the Multiverse. I guess because they don't have as many universes. And they don't have collectors' club fiction. I vaguely knew there was crazy dimension hopping in Alternity, but I figured that was its own thing. But yup, it's right there on the Alternity page. Something about Hasbro-licensed fiction and Takara-licensed fiction sharing one big happy multiverse seems very, very weird to me. Anyway, I'll put an Alternity stub on the [[Multiverse]] page. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:55, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

== Moving from Wikia ==

Hello guys, can anyone give me some advice about how to leave Wikia? I mostly need advice about easily moving content. I found that Wikia provides a database dump as an XML file with all page content except files, and with the page histories. I really need to have the page histories. I installed MediaWiki on my PC for testing, with EasyPHP for the database, and importing the XML file actually doesn't work. It says "Import failed: Loss of session data. Please try again." So I guess I set up my database too quickly and forgot some things. This was just for quick testing after all. Did you follow that template for moving, or something else? I'd really appreciate any advice and help from you! Cheers. [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:36, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:Right out of the gate, you need to go over EVERY page you download before you go live, because Wikia inserted code that provides linkbacks to Wikia in them, meaning your pages will be providing THEM with hits. I do not know exactly what process is involved, but it's a scumfuck move of theirs that you should be aware of. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:18, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
::Nice to know, thanks. But what about what I mentioned above? How do I start and all? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 17:46, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:::A helpful resource for leaving Wikia is the [http://awa.shoutwiki.com/ Anti-Wikia Alliance site], which has useful info on departing from Wikia. The "loss of session data" usually means that you just have to try again. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:02, 21 June 2011 (EDT)
:I'm just the server architecture guy, so I can't help with the XML import, but let me warn you right now, Mediawiki for a moderate-traffic site is a PIG. Get a server geek to help you out, as we've got a buttload of cache, and STILL have performance issues from time to time. It's all stuff I can probably fix, if I ever have the free time to dedicate to the problem, but it's definitely a big old pain in the rear. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 08:27, 22 June 2011 (EDT)
::Shoutwiki has been down for some time now, so the Anti-Wikia Alliance can't really help... :/ McFly, you mean I shouldn't stick to Mediawiki? [[User:Klow|Klow]] 07:23, 23 June 2011 (EDT)
:::I mean that you should make sure that whoever you've got really knows how to tweak your wiki installation to stand up to the traffic. Wikia is terrible at a great many things. Providing high-availability Mediawiki service to their userbase is NOT one of them.--[[User:McFly|McFly]] 12:15, 24 June 2011 (EDT)

== Fiction Header Sprawl ==

[[Image:Proposal section headers.png|thumb]]
Our fiction sections (particularly for movie characters) feature a gob-smackingly large number of headers (apparently one for each miniseries.)

This can make it difficult to tell, as one's reading, is the next section is a new continuity or continues from the old one.

I propose a '''<tt><nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki></tt>''' template that could be used to mark fiction headers which continue from the previous section. Proposed markup follows:
===''Transformers'' 2007===
Mojo was a bling'd puppy.
<nowiki>{{cntd}}</nowiki>
===Revenge of the Fallen===
Mojo's got a bitch
In the above example the ROTF section would be marked by a "continued..." as in the image at right. (It's a CSS preceeding-content declaration. It could just as easily be an arrow, and indent, graying-back the header, a color, etc.)

The example at right is clumsy, but I thought I'd throw it out to see if anyone thought the '''idea''' had merit. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:56, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:I'm seeing a flaw in this, in particular with movie fiction, since there are events in-between films that don't necessarily mesh with the movies themselves. Likewise, G1 characters popping up in BW fiction, where it seemingly continues both Marvel G1 and Sunbow G1. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 08:32, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
[[Image:Rs-lastpannel.jpg|thumb]]
::That is a flaw which arises from the way we structure our fiction sections.
::The IDW DOTM adaption, for instance, makes several slight tweaks to the story-- presumably to better fit its ongoing plans for tie-in comics. Thus 'Rising Storm' should ''not'' be followed by the DOTM movie... it should be followed by the DOTM movie '''adaption''' (See pic at right, which explicitly declares this.)
::There have historically been problems with this-- we didn't want lots of redundant sections in character bios, the 2007 adaption dumped most of the Quatar action despite these scenes obviously occurring in their continuity... etc. So there was a hodge-podge "let's make only ONE section for each movie..." approach adapted.
::That's not getting into how cludgy the mini-derived section titles are. Scenes in ''Foundation'' and ''Defiance'' interleave with one another, making them virtually impossible to properly wikify under the existing section-title bodge-up. What we ''really'' need are sections like 'Era of the Primes' 'Before the War' 'Exile in Space' al sitting under an "IDW Comics Continuity" header.
::(Why the hell the Titans books are listed in the ''middle'' of the IDW miniseries escapes me.)
::Whatever, our headers-- particularly for movie comics-- are broken. Above is one suggestion to render them less-so. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:47, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I can definitely get behind something to simplify our header layout for the movie characters - I actually proposed something similar years ago, shortly after ROTF came out, which if I recall right basically amounted to "describe the movies first, then subsequent to them, do a section for each continuity" - IDW all in one, Titan all in one, and so on, rather than the frustrating, fragmented attempted-chronological order we use now. It just about worked for TF1, but after ROTF, things have just gotten more and more messy. However, I will spit ''blood'' if we turn into Wookieepedia and start with those rubbish "In-fiction description of time period" headers. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 08:53, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::Hrm in the what now? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:01, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::He means header titles like 'Era of the Primes' which describe a fictional time period. I can agree that those aren't a very good idea for us, given that such eras don't exist across all continuities in a continuity family. Trying to blend the various continuities in such a way implies they're more similar than they are. McFeely's idea of putting the films together, then having section for each of the other continuities, makes more sense for the way Transformers fiction is handled continuity-wise. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 14:54, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::I'm fine with Chris's idea or maintaining the current status quo. I am however, adamantly against time period sections. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:03, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I'm thinking McFeely's proposal has the least problems when it comes to sorting messy fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 18:08, 8 July 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Took a bit of a poke around to see if that old proposal was still around, and [[User:Chris_McFeely/ROTF_proposal|restored it]]. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive38|Here's]] what some people thought at the time. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:12, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

== Uploading of pngs ==

I wonder whether a warning when someone tries to upload a png would help. By the looks, taking the 'png' extension out of [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgFileExtensions Manual:$wgFileExtensions] (Is Scout still handing MediaWiki configuration?) will cause the site to display a warning which you then have to continue through to upload the image. It's possible that people will just click through without reading it like with the "this is a huge file" warning, but it seems like it'd be worth a try. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:32, 18 July 2011 (EDT)
:What's wrong with PNGs? I was under the impression that they worked. --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 13:28, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
::Pngs use a compression method that is not well suited to screencaps, so a png screencap will be unnecessarily large compared to a jpg copy of the same screencap. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:59, 19 July 2011 (EDT)
:::I've made the appropriate changes. Let's see if it makes a difference. (I doubt it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 11:57, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== MonacoBook Skin ==

Hello. Dota 6 here! I was wondering if the MonacoBook skin is a custom MediaWiki skin or can you actually download it from somewhere? --[[User:Dota 6|Dota 6]] 21:11, 29 July 2011 (EDT) Dota 6 signing out!

== What gives ==

Okay, I can see that maybe you don't find my jokes funny. I can accept that, but to simply "undo" my first edit to the wiki without comment is rude. Obviously I am not a vandal, I am not trying to cause harm. I have been reading this wiki for a few weeks, and I simply came to a page filled with ''terrible'' captions. Captions so bad that one actually asked for someone to think of something better. [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Gold_Plastic_Syndrome&diff=prev&oldid=614367 This is the edit.] Maybe you don't see that as an improvement, but surely it is no worse than what was there. Even if you can't stomach all of them, surely you could simply fix one or two, instead of the entire edit. Surely you could at least leave a reasoning in the summary, or a message on my talk page saying "Thanks for the edit, but that isn't quite our style" or some-such. What is the point of having a wiki if you are simply going to smack new editors away without even having the respect to mention why? I understand that fighting vandalism is a hard and full-time job, but that is no reason to people with good intentions poorly. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja|JohnnyMrNinja]] 04:21, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Read this:[[Transformers_Wiki:Caption]]. Simply put, you need to do some actual work around here before messing with captions. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 04:33, 30 July 2011 (EDT)
:Also, don't take it personally you weren't told why it was reverted. There's too many reverts in a day to bother to explain them all and it seems most anons and users-for-a-day simply don't care enough about their edit either to want to know why it was reverted, if they notice at all. If one cares, one can always ask - an explanation is guaranteed to be given. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 05:59, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Bot request==
And we get a bot to change out all the instances of "Jusco" with "[[JUSCO]]", the proper capitalization for the stores? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:02, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
:There din't seem to be that many, so I went ahead and did 'em manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:45, 1 August 2011 (EDT)
::Do we still have a bot? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:29, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::...Um, I thought we had [[User:Deceptitran|your bot]]? --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 20:44, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::And [[User:DNAVI]]. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:34, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::Oh, wait. DNAVI's owner thinks he's pretty much done with this place. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:36, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::::::Decptitran's database structure got trashed when my site got deleted. ...I should probably fix it dome day. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:46, 3 August 2011 (EDT)

== Interviews on External links ==

Flashback's recent plugging of his site's interview have struck my curiosity, what exactly is the standard for adding interviews to the external links on real-life people's articles? Anyone who's got an interview can add one, or do they have to be special interviews? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:53, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:If the interview adds relevant and interesting information to the person, I think it's ok in the external links section. If it's supporting a specific fact, then the reference format should be used.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:54, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think they should be primarily about (or at least have substantial coverage of) the subject's Transformers work. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:27, 3 August 2011 (EDT)
::I think that should be the case too, unless the real-life person is tough to find any information on. I recently added an interview to Marlene Aragon's article that has nothing to do with Transformers, but does provide some information as to her age and her 'career' in voice acting. It wouldn't be interesting for anyone with a more prominent role in Transformers (or anything else), but since this is about everything the page can provide on her, it should stay. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 02:20, 4 August 2011 (EDT)
:::That's interesting, it's the same reason I linked to an archived Allspark interview for Elaine To. There was no other information I could find about her anywhere else. But in regard to Flashback and his Realmcast interviews... I didn't listen to any of them in their entirety, but I listened to a third of the Michael Bell one, which can be summed up as both interviewer and interviewee complaining about the Michael Bay films daring to make the original voice cast audition for roles and then only using Cullen, and IDW's declining to go with that All Hail Megatron motion comic... So I'm really not certain these links really add anything other than a plug for Flashback's site. But if anyone else feels like listening to them and proving me wrong, go ahead, I don't mind. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:36, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

== Gif uploads blocked? ==

I keep getting a <tt>".gif" is not a permitted file type. Permitted file types are jpg, jpeg, ppt, ogg, ico, svg, ogg, psd, ttf, pdf, wav.</tt> when I try to upload a .gif.

Dis someone trip a flag in the settings, or have I just missed something? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:18, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:I think that's an unintended side effect from the PNG ban. McFeely should be able to fix it. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:30, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::We banned PNG's? But they're occasionally useful!
::Can't we ban people who upload PNG's instead. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:39, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:::You can read a little upwards on it under "Uploading of pngs". I'm not sure what has been programmed to prevent PNG uploads, though. You'd have to ask McFeely. [[User:Geewunling|Geewunling]] 15:45, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::::I'm guessing you're meaning to type "McFly", not "McFeely," because I haven't a clue. /:) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:37, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
:::Gah, $wgStrictFileExtensions must be set true. I only intended for my request to display it as a warning rather than preventing uploading of them altogether (you know, like when you upload an image which is too big). I guess MediaWiki doesn't have enough options to do what I was suggesting. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:28, 13 August 2011 (EDT)
::::Bitch, bitch, bitch. (It's fixed, provided someone confirms that much. Drop any complaints on my Talk page, I've got a watchlist set on it.) --[[User:McFly|McFly]] 15:46, 14 August 2011 (EDT)
:::::For the record... fixed. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:21, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

== Shout Factory Subs ==

Since these were looked over by the TF team at Hasbro, should we be making adjustments to episode titles, character names etc.? For example Fortress is now Cerebros, which is a major headache. Also, the episode titles on the subs (which we know Hasbro checked out) are often different from the titles on the guide on the inside cover. There's some other neat stuff, it seems like they intended to use the Hasbro names for the Battle Beasts and changed it back at the last minute, probably because Diamond Select has the Battle Beasts licence currently (Saber Sword Tiger slips through once, while he's called Platinum Tiger later). -- [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 09:15, 16 August 2011 (EDT)

Transformers Animated (toyline)

2011-07-11T14:02:04Z

Terrortron: /* TakaraTomy releases */

{{Nav-Animated}}

[[Image:TFAnimated Voyager EarthOptimusPrime toy.jpg|right|250px|thumb|Putting the "cool" in "Playskool".]]
The '''Transformers Animated''' toy line merges the more expressive design style of the [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|cartoon]] with extremely poseable robot forms (to a degree which seemed pleasantly surprising even to [[Hasbro]]). Unlike the [[franchise]]s immediately before it, there is no overarching, line-wide [[gimmick]] (such as [[Mini-Con]]s or [[Cyber Planet Key]]s). Rather, transforming ''is'' the gimmick, and the toys have other special features unique and appropriate to the character (such as [[Blitzwing (Animated)|triple-changing]] or [[Ratchet (Animated)|interchangeable tools]]). While the designs originated with Hasbro and the [[Cartoon Network]] team, [[TakaraTomy]] stepped up to the plate to engineer the toys. The line debuted on July 1, 2007, at Hasbro's Future Products panel at [[BotCon 2007|BotCon]].

Hasbro, citing the strength of the [[Transformers (2007)|movie]] toyline, [[Ruined FOREVER|postponed]] the official release of the Animated toyline to June 22, 2008 in the US. However, some toys began showing up at retailers in the Cincinnati area to coincide with [[BotCon 2008|BotCon]], followed by wider releases in Canada in May and the U.S. shortly thereafter.
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==Toys==
The core toys of this franchise are available at most of the traditional [[size class]]es.

===General retail===
====Deluxe Class====
'''Wave 1'''
[[Image:Bumblebee_anim_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|right]]
{{collist|4|
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Cybertron Mode Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]
}}
'''Wave 2'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]]
* [[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobot Ratchet]]
}}
'''Wave 3'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Jazz (Animated)|Autobot Jazz]]
* [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Oil Slick]]
* [[Snarl (Animated)|Snarl]]
* [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]
}}
'''Wave 4'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Swoop (Animated)|Swoop]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Elite Guard Bumblebee]]
* [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]]
}}
'''Wave 5'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Lockdown (Animated)|Blazing Lockdown]]
* [[Blurr (Animated)|Blurr]]
* [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]]
}}
'''Wave 6'''
[[Image:Samuraiprowldeluxe.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"That's 'Prowl-san' to you, young one."]]
{{collist|4|
* [[Wasp|Waspinator]]
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Samurai Prowl]]
}}
'''Wave 7'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Soundwave (Animated)|Electrostatic Soundwave]]
* [[Jazz (Animated)|Freeway Jazz]]
}}
'''Uncertain release'''<ref name="limbo">According [[Hasbro Q&A/March 2010#TFW2005|an answer to March Q&A]], the release of these toys is uncertain and under examination by Hasbro.</ref>
{{collist|4|
* [[Oil Slick (Animated)|Toxic Oil Slick]]
* [[Wasp|Fugitive Waspinator]]
* [[Blurr (Animated)|Vortex Blurr]]
* [[Swindle (Animated) |Mercenary Swindle]]
}}

====Voyager Class====
'''Wave 1'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Cybertron Mode Megatron]]
* [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]
}}
'''Wave 2'''
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Earth Mode Optimus Prime]]
{{note|Even though Optimus Prime ''officially'' debuted in wave 2 of the Voyager Class toys, he was found at US retail ''later'' than the wave 3 toys Grimlock and Lugnut.}}

'''Wave 3'''
[[Image:Lugnut animated toy.JPG|right|300px|thumb|Comes with a Gopher grabber arm.]]
{{collist|4|
* [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]
* [[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]
}}
'''Wave 4'''
* [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]]

'''Wave 5'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave/Longarm]]
* [[Skywarp (Animated)|Skywarp]]
}}
'''Wave 6'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]]
* [[Lugnut (Animated)|Atomic Lugnut]]
}}
'''Uncertain release'''<ref name="limbo" />
{{collist|4|
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Hydrodrive Bumblebee]]
* [[Grimlock (Animated)|Goldfire Grimlock]]
* [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]]
* [[Blackout (Animated)|Blackout]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Wingblade Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Mudbuster Bulkhead]]
}}

====Leader Class====
'''Wave 1'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Earth Mode Megatron]]
}}
'''Wave 2'''
[[Image:Leaderclass_animated_ultramagnus_battlemode.jpg|right|300px|thumb|"[[Hot Shot (Armada)/toys|Hot Shot]] ain't got nothing on me."]]
* [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Ultra Magnus]]

'''Wave 3'''
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Shadow Blade Megatron]]

'''Wave 4'''
* [[Ultra Magnus (Animated)|Roadbuster Ultra Magnus]] (redeco colored as a [[Roadbuster (G1)|''Generation 1'' Roadbuster]] homage)

====Supreme Class====
'''Wave 1'''
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Roll-Out Command Optimus Prime]]

====Entertainment Packs====
[[Image:Safeguardanimatedtoy.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Half & half]]
'''Wave 1'''
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]] vs. [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] - The Battle Begins

'''Wave 2'''
* [[Jetstorm (Animated)|Jetstorm]] and [[Jetfire (Animated)|Jetfire]]

{{-}}

====Activators====
The Activators subcategory consists of chunkier, simpler, Scout-class-sized toys with one-touch, spring-loaded transformations.
[[Image:Activatorsstarscream.jpg|right|250px|thumb|"Come on, Hasbro. You can still make some redecos of me."]]
'''Wave 1'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]
}}
'''Wave 2'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobot Ratchet]]
}}
'''Wave 3'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Patrol Bumblebee]]
* [[Thundercracker (Animated)|Thundercracker]]
}}
'''Wave 4'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]
* [[Grimlock (Animated)|Grimlock]]
* [[Lockdown (Animated)|Bandit Lockdown]]
}}
'''Wave 5'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Cliffjumper (Animated)|Cliffjumper]]
* [[Dirge (Animated)|Dirge]]
}}
'''Wave 6'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Grimlock (Animated)|Fireblast Grimlock]]
* [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]
}}
'''Wave 7'''
{{collist|4|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated) | Armor Up Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Animated) | Battlefield Bumblebee]]
}}

====[[Bumper Battlers]]====
An expansion on the [[Cyber Slammers]] subline from the 2007 live-action movie toys, Bumper Battlers feature "bump-and-transform" action. Hitting the front bumper causes the toy to change into robot mode, and pressing the toy's sigil activates sound effects and speech gimmicks.

'''Wave 1'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobot Ratchet]]
}}
'''Wave 2'''
[[Image:Ani-toy BumperBattlers NightwatchPrime.JPG|right|250px|thumb|"At least I have a better shade of blue than [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|another Nightwatch Optimus Prime]]."]]
{{collist|4|
* [[Jazz (Animated)|Autobot Jazz]]
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]]
}}
'''Wave 3'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Sting Racer Bumblebee]]
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Nightwatch Optimus Prime]]
}}
'''Wave 4'''
{{collist|4|
* [[Lockdown (Animated)|Lockdown]]
* [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]
}}
'''Wave 5'''
{{Note|These two toys have been released in Australia and Mexico in small quantities. At the current point of time, it's unclear if they will be included among the upcoming releases of the remaining ''Animated'' toys in the USA.}}
{{collist|4|
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Workzone Bulkhead]]
* [[Jazz (Animated)|Stealth Ninja Jazz]]
}}

====Power Bots====
'''Wave 1'''
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Cyber Speed Bumblebee]]

'''Wave 2'''
*Street Patrol Bumblebee (redeco of Cyber Speed Bumblebee)

===Exclusives (United States/Canada market)===
'''Target/Zellers'''
*[[Lockdown (Animated)|Stealth Lockdown]] (Deluxe Class) with [[Legends Class]] [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and Legends Class [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]]

* [[Ratchet (Animated)|Rescue Ratchet]] (Deluxe Class) with Legends Class [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and Legends Class [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]
{{note|Both packs were also available as Tesco exclusives in the United Kingdom, Zellers exclusives in Canada and Warehouse exclusives in New Zealand.}}

* [[Sunstorm (Animated)| Sunstorm]] (Voyager Class) vs Activators [[Ratchet (Animated)| Ratchet]].

* [[Shockwave (Animated)| Shockwave]] (Voyager Class) (with a new show accurate color scheme) vs Activators [[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]]

'''Toys "R" Us'''
* [[Bulkhead (Animated)| Bulkhead]] (Leader Class) with Activators [[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]]

* [[Megatron (Animated)| Megatron]] (Leader Class) with Activators [[Starscream (Animated)| Starscream]]

* [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]] (Deluxe Class)

* [[Ratchet (Animated)|Cybertron Mode Ratchet]] (Deluxe Class)

* [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Minor]]

* [[Ironhide (Animated)|Ironhide]]

'''Wal-Mart'''
*"The Revenge of Blackarachnia" two-pack (Deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]] from "The Battle Begins" two-pack and Deluxe Class [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]])

*"Battle in Space" two-pack (Deluxe Class [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and Deluxe [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] from "The Battle Begins" two-pack)

===Foreign market exclusive releases===
'''Multi-packs'''
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Autobot Ratchet]] & [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] two-pack
{{note|Thus far this pack has only been found at Toys "R" Us stores in the United Kingdom and Germany.}}

===McDonald's Happy Meal toys===
'''North America'''
{{collist|4|
*[[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]
*[[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]
*[[Lugnut (Animated)|Lugnut]]
}}
'''Latin America'''
{{collist|4|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys| Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]]
*[[Megatron (Animated)| Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Animated)| Starscream]]
}}
'''France'''
{{collist|4|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys| Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]]
*[[Megatron (Animated)| Megatron]]
*[[Blitzwing (Animated)| Blitzwing]]
}}
'''Poland'''
{{collist|4|
*[[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys| Optimus Prime]]
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)| Bumblebee]]
*[[Megatron (Animated)| Megatron]]
*[[Starscream (Animated)| Starscream]]}}
{{note|Optimus Prime, Bumblebee, and Megatron are the same molds from the North American release but with more detailed [[Paint operation|paint application]]s. Blitzwing is a new mold.}}

==Toys of ''Animated'' characters released as part of other lines==
===Movie (2007)===
'''Wal-Mart exclusives'''
* The Legacy of Bumblebee three-pack (movie-inspired minor [[redeco]] of ''[[Classics (2006)|Classic]]'' Deluxe [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]], regular [[Movie (toyline)|Movie]] Deluxe Class "[[Premium Series|Premium]]" [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] and regular ''Animated'' Deluxe Class [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]])

===Universe (2008)===
'''Legends Class (wave 3)'''
* [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]]
* [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]]
* [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]]

'''Legends Class (wave 4)'''
* [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]]

==TakaraTomy releases==

Beginning in 2010, [[TakaraTomy]]'s release of the ''Animated'' toy line consists of most of the same toys released in Western markets by [[Hasbro]], but now with [http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/menu.aspx?menu=1632&category=6153 extremely glossy paintjobs].

==Criticisms==
Since the first wave of Animated toys were released, there have been multiple complaints of [[quality control|poor quality]] [[paint operation|paint application]]s, sloppy paint applications, and very greasy ball and hinge joints. There are also complaints over certain breakage issues, such as Lockdown's wrists, and toy functionality being limited by support struts added [[For safety reasons|to prevent breakage]], such as with Voyager Megatron's cannon and Bumblebee's stingers being unable to position properly.

Most of these issues can be fixed with relative ease. <ref>[http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=47309 Animated Fixes on AllSpark.com]</ref>

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/ Hasbro's official ''Transformers'' Animated homepage]

[[Category:Animated| Transformers Animated (toyline)]]
[[Category:Toys]]

Talk:Decepticon Heavy Brigade

2011-06-18T18:12:55Z

Terrortron: New page: =Grinder= If you look closely at Grinder on his vehicle mode card, it looks as though he has a light blue (and barely visible) Decepticon Heavy Brigade emblem as well. - ~~~~

=Grinder=

If you look closely at Grinder on his vehicle mode card, it looks as though he has a light blue (and barely visible) Decepticon Heavy Brigade emblem as well. - [[User:Terrortron|Terrortron]] 14:12, 18 June 2011 (EDT)

Minerva (Animated)

2011-06-16T03:40:33Z

Terrortron: /* Fiction */

{{faction|autobot}}

{{disambig2|the ''Animated'' character|the ''Super-God Masterforce'' character|Minerva (Masterforce)}}

[[Image:Animated_minerva_charactermodel.jpg|right|thumb|145px|Laissez les bons temps rouler!]]
:''Minerva is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]] [[continuity family]].''

Having been trained as a medic on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] by [[Fixit (Animated)|Fixit]], '''Minerva''' was dispatched to [[Earth]] for some actual experience in the field under the tutelage of [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]. While en route to the Autobot's base in [[Detroit]], however, she went off course and crash-landed in [[Quebec]], [[Canada]]. Scanning a Japanese car for an [[alternate mode]], she made contact with its female teenage driver, and learned that despite what was being said on Cybertron, organics weren't so bad after all! This first human friendship has led her to become just as comfortable hanging around [[Sari Sumdac|human girls]] as her fellow Earth-bound Autobots are.

==Fiction==
:''Voice actor:'' [[Abby Collins]]
{{note|Events in italics occurred exclusively in [[BotCon 2011]]'s "The Stunti-Con Job" script reading.}}
[[Image:StuntiConJob-Minerva.jpg|left|thumb|200px|Sshhh! Don't tell her that Ratchet's sitting somewhere behind her!]]
''Warpath accompanied Minerva as she stalked [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]], Cybertron's newest hero. Unlike everyone else, however, she wasn't interested in Optimus himself, but in getting in with his associate, [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]]. She was determined to be his protege at any stalkery cost.''

She appeared in the audience for [[Motormaster (Animated)|The Motor Master]]'s Stunt Convoy show. {{storylink|The Stunti-Con Job}}
{{--}}

==Toys==
[[Image:Animatedtoy-Minerva.jpg|right|thumb|300px|Watch the ears. For serious.]]
*'''Minerva''' (Deluxe, [[BotCon 2011]] customization class)
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:Minerva is a [[redeco]] of ''Animated'' [[Arcee (Animated)|Arcee]], available only in the customization class at BotCon 2011. During the class, the toy was assembled, painted and stickered by participants. She continues the trend begun with [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] the previous year of actually being cast in new colors of plastic (in this case, red, white and grey instead of magenta, off-white and black), and even comes with two unique new pieces sculpted from resin: a set of ear-antennae matching those in [[Derrick J. Wyatt]]'s character model for Minerva, and an optional second set that replicate the appearance of the [[Minerva (Masterforce)|original Minerva]]'s antennae, designed by [[Jesse Wittenrich]]. The toy also comes with a [[Tech Spec]]s-style bio that was written by class organizer [[Shawn D. Tessmann]] and Wyatt.

{{-}}
==Notes==

* Minerva's landing in Quebec is a nod to the original Minerva's half-French heritage, while the Japanese car she scans pays homage to the character's Japanese roots. Of course, the girl involved in the whole process harkens back to the original Minerva actually ''being'' a human girl.
* Tessmann considers Minerva to be "more official" than previous years' customization class toys due to Wyatt's involvement.
* Abby Collins voiced Minerva with a Canadian [[accents|accent]], which makes sense, dontcha know.

[[Category:Animated Autobots]]
[[Category:Convention-original characters]]
[[Category:Customization class toys]]
[[Category:Medics]]

Early war history records Transformers

2011-06-05T17:15:31Z

Terrortron: /* Notes */

{{noname-nickname}}
:''The early war history records Transformers are [[Transformer]]s from the [[Generation 1 (franchise)|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:DesertionDinobots2 early war Decepticons.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
The "'''early war history records Transformers'''" are members of the [[Transformer]] race that lived around the start of the [[Great War (G1)|war]].

{{TOCclear}}
==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
Millions of years ago, the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s [[Golden Age|lived together peacefully]]. The Decepticons' lust for power brought an end to this, and at first the battles they fought against the noncombative Autobots ended in their favor. Because of this, many Autobots fled [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Others opted to stay and fight back, coming up with new tactics [[Transformation|inventions]] to compensate for their lesser warrior skills.

[[1985|Millions of years later]], [[Carly]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] found and watched history records on these events in an abandoned part of Cybertron. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2}}

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:DesertionDinobots2 strolling generics.jpg|
Image:DesertionDinobots2 generics meeting.jpg|
Image:DesertionDinobots2 fleeing blue and yellow generic.jpg|
Image:DesertionDinobots2 fleeing mono-eye generic.jpg|
Image:DesertionDinobots2 fleeing generics.jpg|
Image:DesertionDinobots2 early war building warrior.jpg|"Hmm, this should be handy!"
Image:DesertionDinobots2 early war transforming Autobots.jpg|
Image:DesertionDinobots2 early war blue Transformer.jpg|
</gallery></center>

==Notes==
* "Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 2" ''seems'' to imply the Autobots invented transformation as a means to counter the Decepticons' superior strength, which is a story detail corroborated by the season 3 episode "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]". However, the history records start off with two scenes showing a good number of cars, all of different designs, during the pre-war days. The scenes certainly seem to imply those cars are [[alternate mode]]s, but that would clash with the ''other'' implication, so [[Personal canon|take your pick]] whether they are Transformers or unliving vehicles.
* Early on, a pink, a grey and a blue robot are used to represent the Decepticons starting the war. Confusingly, the pink and grey one later show up among a crowd of Transformers in a shot that coincides with the narration "[While many Autobots fled Cybertron, a few valiant survivors devised new tactics] and launched a counter-offensive on their arch foes. And thus began a terrible series of wars," suggesting them to be Autobots. The second sentence allows some room for them to be Decepticons, but still...
[[Image:KeyToVectorSigma1 dead green generic.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
* The blue guy that appears in the last few scenes has a coincidental resemblance to [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] (Tailgate's toy was released a year after the episode). As such, he could be a [[Mini Vehicle]].
* The red Transformer that appears in the first few scenes has a hip structure and way of moving that suggest them to be [[Female Transformer|female]].
* The green Transformer seen in the first few scenes and a few other models show up again as corpses from long ago in "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]]". While likely not intended during production, these could very well represent the same characters.

[[Category:Cartoon-only Transformers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Transformers]]

Skyfire (issue)

2011-05-30T20:17:42Z

Terrortron: /* Items of note */ Henkei, Gentei etc.

{{disambig3|Skyfire}}
{{comicstory|seriesissue=[[Generation One (Dreamwave comic)|''The Transformers: Generation One'']] #3
|prev=Black Sunshine
|next=Generation One issue 4
|title="Skyfire"
|image=G1 Vol.3 Issue3 1.jpg
|caption=Is [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] gonna have to choke a 'con?
|publisher=[[Dreamwave Productions]]
|date=[[March 24]], 2004
|coverdate=March, 2004
|story=[[Brad Mick]]
|pencils=[[Don Figueroa]]
|inks=[[Elaine To]]
|colors=[[Espen Grundetjern]], [[Rob Ruffolo]]
|letters=[[Ben Lee]]
|chronology=[[Dreamwave timeline|Modern era]]
|continuity=[[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Dreamwave continuity]]
}}
'''The Autobots and Starscream stop, collaborate and listen to Jetfire, who is back with a brand new invention.'''

==Synopsis==
''This first scene takes between the last and second-last scene of the [[Black Sunshine|last issue]].''

[[Image:Jetfireg1dw.jpg|left|180px|thumb|I don't believe in funny jokes about agnostics, but I will as soon as I hear one.]]
Within the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]''. Sunstorm struggles to free himself from a neck-hold in Jetfire's arms while spouting his evangelism. Performing a [[wikipedia:Stunner_(professional_wrestling)|Stunner]], Sunstorm escapes the hold to use his burning touch to incapacitate his opponent. But the attack doesn't work, causing Sunstorm to pause just long enough for Jetfire to use his leg-jets to push Sunstorm away. The two struggle until Jetfire is face-down, and Sunstorm prepares to finish Jetfire with his blasters, but he's caught off guard by Jetfire shooting head lasers. With Sunstorm down, Jetfire and Starscream leave while they can.

On board the ''[[Orion (ship)|Orion]]'', Jetfire and Starscream confer with Brawn, Ratchet, and Bumblebee regarding the nature of Sunstorm and how he should be handled. Bumblebee shows a bit of skepticism which, with agitation from Starscream, almost causes a skirmish. Jetfire, however, cuts the hostilities and announces that he's deduced a manner of anticipating Sunstorm's destination.

At [[Central Hall]] on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Prowl attempts to make an address to the public, but is overwhelmed by a barrage of citizens expressing their concerns over various issues. Magnus however, intervenes and uses his authority to provide diplomatic assistance. Afterwards, Prowl, Kup, and Ironhide hang out at the [[Alpha Preserve]] and reflect on the political changes to Cybertron and toss around the idea of leaving Cybertron to the civilians while the soldiers hunt down [[Decepticon|Decepticons]] elsewhere.

The [[Earth]]-Decepticons limp away from the ''Orion'', partially refueled as part of a deal for Starscream's co-operation in recovering the other [[Autobot|Autobots]] (defeated prior to [[Night of the Combaticons|#1]]) and taking care of Sunstorm. On board, Cliffjumper and Brawn debate against Bumper on the justice of the arrangement Bumblebee's made. Overhearing Brawn's side, Bumblebee loses some self-esteem.

Elsewhere on the ship, Starscream whines as Ratchet and Jetfire synthesize a device that will simulate Starscream's [[energy signature]] to misdirect Sunstorm. Jetfire is fascinated by Sunstorm's (a clone) self-repairing capabilities and his ability to manifest great power from a solar-powered fusion reactor without expiring. The plan is developed: get Sunstorm to over-exert himself and attach the artificial-Starscream to cancel his super-abilities. As soon as this plan is explained, Sunstorm is seen on radar heading towards the ''Orion''.

Bumblebee takes a jet to confront Sunstorm, with three other Autobots wearing jetpacks. Jetfire protests the arrangement, saying that he should be in battle instead of remaining on the ''Orion'' to make sure Starscream doesn't misbehave. But soon after Bumblebee places the first hit against Sunstorm, Sunstorm is able to down Bumblebee's ship with a single blast. With the rest of the Autobots unable to fight, Jetfire abandons his duty and joins the combat.

With Jetfire on the scene, Sunstorm is brought crashing to the ground. Bumblebee takes the opportunity to attach the inhibitor on Sunstorm, who tries to resist the technology's interference. With his systems compromised, Sunstorm rockets away to recover. With Sunstorm down, Bumblebee considers the encounter a good job, while Jetfire, his armor disabled, still worries that Sunstorm could be a menace, so he activates his one last hidden card.

In Alaska, Starscream recovers in a cave, and the crippled Sunstorm comes begging for help. But before Starscream can do anything, part of the mountain is collapsed by...

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] (2)
* [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] (4)
* [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] (5)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] (6)
* [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] (7)
* [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] (8)
* [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] (9)
* [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] (10)
* [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] (15)
* [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (16)
* [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (17)

|c2=
* [[Sunstorm (G1)|Sunstorm]] (1)
* [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] (3)
* [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] (11)
* [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] (12)
* [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] (13)
* [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] (14)

}}
==Quotes==
"Heh, it looks like you caught an electro stringer right in the kisser. Your vocal processors were stuck in neutral!"
:—'''Ironhide''', political commentator.

"Prowl, most'a those empties are still livin' in the past. They're just afraid of too much change too fast…. That's all."
:—'''Ironhide'''

"Foolish Starscream. Don't you '''realize''' that my hands aren't the only way… 
that I am about to touch you?"
:—'''Sunstorm'''

==Items of note==
[[Image:Getsuei question.jpg|right|180px|thumb|"RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!"]]
* Most of the crowd listening to Prowl's address are ''[[Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' or Japanese-exclusive characters, such as [[Sonic Bomber]], [[Axelerator|Axelerators]], [[Multiforce]], or the [[Trainbot|Trainbots]] (right).
* Jetfire is seen in a new design that combines elements from both his cartoon/comic look and his original toy, similar to the designs seen for Dreamwave iterations of most other characters. Jetfire's amalgam is more convoluted than most due to the wildly different looks of the source materials.
* The name of the issue was borrowed from Jetfire's name on the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original television series]]. This name is no longer used for this character in the United States.
* Starscream mentions that the Autobots, or at least Bumblebee, are/is (a) devout follower(s) of the [[Covenant of Primus]].
* Kup's consideration of taking the war off of Cybertron is reference to ''[[The War Within]]''.
* Bumblebee flies into battle in a jet almost identical to his Cybertronian alternate mode (first seen in the cartoon episode "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]") and he wears a face-plate making him appear slightly more similar to [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|his Generation 1 toy]].
* On the "Prime Transmissions" page, reader mail is answered by Editor-in-chief [[Roger Lee]]. There's also fan art of [[Predaking]] submitted by Steven Davis.
* The [[Wavelengths]] page features an article from the desk of [[Joe Ng]].
[[Image:Kremzeek yum.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Don't drink that! You have no idea where it's been!]]
* Prowl and the old timers relax by drinking... [[Kremzeek]] (right).

===Covers (1)===
* Art by [[Don Figueroa]]

===Advertisements===
* [[Armada (Dreamwave comic)|''Transformers: Armada'', vol. 3: ''Worlds Collide'']] trade paperback (interior front cover)
* ''Devil May Cry'' (Book Two)
* [[More Than Meets The Eye (Armada)|''Transformers Armada More Than Meets The Eye Guide Book'' #2]]
* [[What Lies Beneath, Part Three|''Energon'' #22]] with the central figure blacked out to create suspense (back cover)

[[Category:Dreamwave Generation 1 issues]]

Over-Run (PCC)

2011-05-28T17:19:40Z

Terrortron: /* Notes */ better?

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Over-Run}}
:''Over-Run is a [[Decepticon]] [[Commander (PCC)|Commander]] from ''[[Power Core Combiners]]''.''

[[Image:PCC-toy Over-RunStunticons.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Former storm in a teacup.]]

'''Over-Run''' is a menace, plain and simple. It's not that he's stupid. He simply delights in chaotic, unpredictable, and above all ''destructive'' actions, never missing an opportunity to make a bad situation even worse. He may have been given command of the [[Stunticon (PCC)|Stunticon]] drones because of the tactical value of these wild rampages to the [[Decepticon]]s. On the other hand, it might just be because no one else could be found to work with him.

==Toys==
===Power Core Combiners===
*'''Over-Run with Stunticons''' (Power Core Combiners 5-pack, 2011)
**''Accessories'': Drift Racer Drone, Junker Drone, Rocket Truck Drone, Street Racer Drone

: Over-Run is a redeco of [[Leadfoot (PCC)|Leadfoot]], transforming into a futuristic race car and a torso mode for his four Stunticon drones to combine with. The Stunticons automatically transform from vehicles to limbs using [[Automorph Technology]] when clipped onto Over-Run, and when detached, they transform back to vehicle mode. Like all Commanders, Over-Run is also compatible with [[Mini-Con]]s.

{{comingsoontoy}}

==Notes==
*Originally, Over-Run was going to be named "[[wikipedia:Spastic|Spastic]]". When originally solicited online with this name, a storm of controversy erupted in the Transformers [[fandom]]<ref>[http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/weird-news/2010/11/12/uk-transformers-fans-fury-over-new-character-called-spastic-86908-22711513/ UK Transformers fans' fury over new character called 'Spastic', Daily Record, November 12, 2010]</ref>, due to the fact that "spastic", in the [[United Kingdom]], [[Australia]], and some other regions, is a very derogatory word for people suffering from neurological disorders. A lot of shouting about the issue took place, with many American fans pointing out that the word has little pejorative impact in North America; the controversy eventually grew to the point that it even spread outside of the fandom to UK tabloid newspapers and even radio and TV comedians. When questioned, a [[Hasbro]] representative admitted to the company being unaware of the offensive connotation of the word in other countries, and that they had meant no offense by it. It was also noted that the toy would not be made available via retail channels in Europe, including the United Kingdom.<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hasbros-statement-about-the-transformer-product-named-spastic/20207/ Hasbro's statement about the Transformer product named "Spastic", Seibertron.com, November 16, 2010]</ref> Nonetheless, [[Eric Siebenaler]] confirmed soon after that "Spastic" would indeed be getting a name change; perhaps a consequence of the fact that while Hasbro UK may not be selling it themselves, some UK retail chains have imported previous Power Core Combiner assortments directly from Hasbro US, and could unwittingly do the same with this one.
*Around the same time, [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers'']] [[Strafe (TF 2010)|Strafe]]'s [http://www.hasbro.com/shop/details.cfm?guid=E188AF4C-5056-900B-1076-CA3612DE125D&product_id=27804&src=endeca online bio] described him as "spastic". He soon became merely "twitchy".
*The toys with "Spastic" printed on their boxes had already been produced, and stickers with the name "Over-Run" were placed over the previous printed name. The only place where the name "Over-Run" is printed is the back of the instruction sheet.
*Over-Run's normal robot mode head is facing backwards in all of his stock photography.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Multi-component Transformers]]
[[Category: Power Core Combiners Decepticons]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]