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User talk:The Ideon

2009-10-03T19:14:20Z

The Ideon:

Hey, you posted a pic of [[Ze little one]] on his talk page a few days back, and it's a solid pic, but I gotta ask where you got it from? If it's from an illegal copy of the movie, we can't use it. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 11:33, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

*Nah, totally from a copy of a preview DVD, which is probably an illegal source. Curious definition, though, as I suspect most series screengrabs are taken from AVI files rather than physical discs (not to mention stuff that's never been officially released as digital media), but hey =)

[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 12:56, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

:That still means we can't use it, because it's not from an official source (basically leaked info)... -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 13:18, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

:: Cool, it's entirely up to you guys, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it. [[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 15:14, 3 October 2009 (EDT)

User talk:The Ideon

2009-10-03T16:56:29Z

The Ideon:

Talk:Scrapmetal (ROTF)

2009-09-28T07:54:34Z

The Ideon: /* Screenshot */ new section

Does it really need to be "'''Ze''' little one"? As opposed to "Little one" or "Little Constructicon"? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:24, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:Probably for comic effect since that's all he's been identified as in the film itself, not unlike The Fallen constantly having the "The" preceeding the name, or other such articles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 02:26, 13 July 2009 (EDT)

::It has the benefit of leaving no question who the article refers to.
::Also-- I'm not entirely sure about the "looks liek Scrapper, but has a different altmode." The scene in the film is clearly the product of two different 'shoots,' with backgrounds and vehicle positions not matching up, and the long shots showing different vehicles than the close-ups. A lot of the confusion about The Little One's identity comes from that-- there's a truss crane in some of the shots that's simply not there in others. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:22, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Perhaps, but in the shots it's featured in, it has a blatant Decepticon sigil on its side. We see no such thing with the loader. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:25, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Our best evidence, if we take everything 100% literally, is that he's a triple-changer and transformed between shots. Or scanned a new altmode between shots. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:54, 13 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Our best evidence, if we take everything literally, is that G1 Soundwave is a triple-changer capable of transforming into a perfect facsimile of Sideswipe's robot mode between shots.
:::::It's a good thing we ''don't'' take everything 100% literally, because the inability to recognize a mistake as a mistake would be crippling. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::It seems too unlikely to me that a red excavator transforms into a Scrapper-like robot - for one thing, there's no known example of a Transformer changing colour between modes in the Movieverse. It's possible that Scavenger was originally intended to join the others before they finalised his alt-mode, as occurs in some of the adaptations such as ''Rise of the Decepticons'' where the main image on the ROTF Constructicons page comes from. Given that the vehicle-shots before Devastator transforms don't match up with the transformation itself, I'm of the opinion that it's another editing goof and 'ze little one' is simply a Scrapper unit. (Which, given Rampage is smaller than him, puts Scalpel's eyesight into question...) [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 08:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::::The excavator is yellow, not red. It's not Scavenger's ginormous altmode, it's a smaller, yellow Volvo excavator. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:30, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Oops, you're right, my bad. I still think it's a editing goof, but the alt mode being smaller and the same colour does add more credibility to the theory. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 18:14, 30 July 2009 (EDT)
::Wait, how did an allspark fragment revive someone killed by the WHOLE allspark?
:::Maybe because he was alive when he got killed but was dead when he got revived (I know it sounds obvious but keep reading because I don't mean it like that) just like electricity, when your alive it kills you (stops your heart) but when you are dead (with a stopped heart) it brings you back to life (restarts your heart). Lightning is actually more powerful than a defibrillator.[[Special:Contributions/90.198.156.78|90.198.156.78]] 13:33, 28 July 2009 (EDT)
:::The same way a cup of coffee jolts you up but a hundred cups kills you. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:02, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Jetfire indicated that Energon has some anti-entropic qualities. Mass doses will blow shit out, but lower doses can bring stuff to life.
::::Just like unleashign the full power of the matrix can nuke Unicron, but a tiny fragment of the Matrix's finite power can act as an 'extra life.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:07, 14 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Would it be at all possible to ask Orci, Bay, or any of the other reliable sources on this in the same manner we ask Wyatt things? If not, could someone remember to bring it up at the next interview with them (if there's room)? The compromise we're using works for now, but it is kind of iffy, and a clear explanation from someone in charge should clean this right up.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:35, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Not that I'm against that or anything... But it seems blatantly obvious just from the context of the movies. "No Optimus! Don't put the cube in your chest! It's PURE ENERGY!" *Sam puts cube in Meg's chest* "Aaaaaaaaaargh!" *melt melt melt melt melt* (by the way, heat is a form of energy). Considering the cube was used to power up all of Cybertron... Yeah, the whole thing was probably too much for anyone to handle all at once. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 03:49, 16 July 2009 (EDT)
::::I don't think Orci would be interested in that like Wyatt. In [http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/07/ask-orci-final-edition.html an interview] he was asked to clarify Devastator and he said, "I suppose since we didn't commit either way, I wouldn't want to tie the hands of future writers with my non-canon opinion." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:13, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

== Screentime ==

Rampage and Demolisher got whole scenes to themselves, and Mixmaster at least had that thing on top of the Brooklyn Bridge, as well as being the focus of every panning scene with the Constructicons. Long Haul I think was also there for a while in the scene with Simmons, and is easily more idenitifiable than the other Constructicons in most of the scenes including them. Honestly, even if ze little one ''was'' Scrapper, he got barely any screentime whatsoever - I had to be looking for him in the desert scene, once I knew he appeared there, to even see him, and Hightower and Overload didn't appear at all in robot form. As such, I don't think that the Q&A thing can be claimed to explicitly identify Scrapper as distinct from ze little one with the wording it uses.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:41, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

== Ze little one body-type as left leg ==

Okay, right from the start, I'll admit this is completely baseless speculation. However, with the exception of Kickback (who might share Rampage's alt-mode, both being bulldozers), there are no other Constructicons that only have a single body-type, and it's been noted in several places that a single Rampage is too small to create Devastator's left leg. ZLO is a yellow tracked construction vehicle with a similar mass to Long Haul, and since we never see exactly what becomes the left leg in the movie...

I know there isn't a Volvo excavator in the scene where Devastator forms, but then, there's only one bulldozer and it's commonly thought that at least two Rampages make up Devastator, and the vehicles-rolling-up section doesn't match the transformation section of the scene anyway. I also know that all the official information on Devastator lists Rampage as the left leg component, but then the film contradicts that ''anyway'' as it clearly shows him becoming the left hand, and if two Rampages do form the leg then that also contradicts the single-Rampage-as-leg canon. Might as well throw out crazy ideas since there's no official consensus on which Constructicon does what. [[User:Tarrn|Tarrn]] 06:48, 15 August 2009 (EDT)

== Is all this speculation neccesary? ==

This is kinda pointless. Does it really matter what his actual name is? There are hundreds of other autobots and decepticons on Earth in this (like most, if not every) continuity that haven't been even talked about in the fiction, of course with not one being given a name. So what's the difference if this character has an actual name? {{unsigned|70.100.243.71}}
:It's fun. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:53, 2 September 2009 (EDT)

== Screenshot ==

Not sure if this is any good to anyone - [http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f269/TomPrankerd/ZeLittleOne.jpg]

[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 03:54, 28 September 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys

2009-09-11T23:36:52Z

The Ideon: /* ROTF Leader Voice Chip */ new section

== Buster Optimus Prime? ==

Where did you get all that info? Any officially released pictures? Or are you simply going off stolen Chinese toys? [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 13:29, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:He has appeared at the Tokyo toy show.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 13:41, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:If you've seen me going around telling people off on this wiki, you should know I don't add info from unofficial toy leaks ;) They had Buster Optimus Prime on display at the Tokyo Toy Show. Two leader Primes with new parts, all painted up, and unlike Hasbro, what you see is usually what you get with TakaraTomy.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:43, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
::Ooooh, nice. I don't do Takara, though. Except once, with Universe Hound. Besides, I prefer Faceplated. But I'm sorry for accusing you. :/ [[User:Gearshift|Gearshift]] 13:49, 17 July 2009 (EDT)
:::No worries :P Thread's been deleted, it seems. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:50, 17 July 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF Leader Voice Chip ==

My UK bought one says "I am Optimus Prime".

[[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 19:36, 11 September 2009 (EDT)

Talk:The Beast Within

2009-05-31T20:37:13Z

The Ideon:

Mighty Christ, THERE'S A SECOND PART TO THIS STORY. And someone's going to read it, and I have this crushing certainty it's going to be me. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 21:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
*What...is that thing? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 21:23, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

: A Dinobot combiner from an exclusive comic that was for something I can't recall.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:24, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Metrodome DVD set. I read scans of this a long time ago, but I lose them. Are they floating around somewhere? (I feel like I should file them for reference, even though I have no desire to read them.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

: You don't read this comic. You witness it. Like a train wreck. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 21:31, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

[http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/3300/1184053500014wr6.jpg]
[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/891/1184053532742ej0.jpg]
[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/623/1184053571647fi2.jpg]
[http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4734/1184053613112pz2.jpg]
[http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8586/1184053646256vk0.jpg]
[http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/2696/1184053677470do1.jpg]
[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7519/1184053707070er5.jpg]
[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/50/1184053762070ho9.jpg]
[[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 21:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
: Dear god! This thing reads like a very bad fancomic! Is there a story to why this was included with DVD sets? [[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:: That is, basically, exactly what it is. I don't think there was any special story to why it happened - Metrodome just wanted to do something a little different, and unfortunately, this is what they got. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:42, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::: I remember Linkage was in the middle of running when part 1 came out. I assumed it was Metrodome going '''"Hey, DVD pack-in comic the hardcore transfans love to bits! That's serious value-added to encourage people to purchase a DVD they may otherwise be disinclined to pony up for! Lets give ''ours'' twice as many pages and use the original G1 cast, that will make it ''much better'' than the dinky 3-page Japaneses comics, right? But instead of having an accomplished expert storyteller whose vast experience enables him to ''do'' a story in 3 pages, lets farm it out to some fans! That'll work!"''' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
*Take the links off, Interrobang, take them off! I can't help but look at them! Also, it probably violates some copywrite law. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:39, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
**I don't think anybody cares enough about copyright when it comes to this comic. We would've had our ass fried a long time ago for not really giving fair use justification to images, anyway. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 22:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Are there links to part 2? I need to archive it for reference. :~( -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:29, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::No! Put links to the next part! It stinks, yes, but now I have to see the rest!!! ARGH! It's terrible and great at the same time! Put up links to the next one! [[User:RIBFIR Forever|The RIBFIR Dude]] 17:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

A profound and moving narrative that forces the audience to re-evaluate all conceptions of their identity. Both thrilling and immersive, The Beast Within redefines the era as it forces a new standard of storytelling. Starting on an epic battle comparable to Lord Of Ring or Matrix, but the conflict pales in comparison to the internal emotional sturggle of Grimlock as he's forced to restraint his own emotions for the sake of his tactical ideology. Pushes to both physical and psychological limit, he and his compatriots fused, physically and conceptually into a unified truth that mirrors us all. But with this revelation of this most sacred ability comes a new threat to the Autobots, and yet a threat familar. I'm not going to re-read and see if any of that makes sense.--[[User:Zodberg|Zodberg]] 22:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, you should substitute that for the 'Everything that was wrong with Dreamwave comics happens!' 1 sentence-summary.
:I'm 100% serious. It much better captures the problems/the spirit/this story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely bloody classic.

The lack of punctuation ''punctuates'' the humor. "Grimlock no!" Grimlock no what?

I wonder what "valuable guidance" Simon Furman provided? Other than saying "Nurse, the screens!" when he read this. [[User:Dj convoy|Dj convoy]] 23:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:And "definitely" is spelled without an "a", damn it. Even the comics have fallen to the "a" scourge.--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

After learning that the Dinobot combiner has become official, I have decided that I'm quitting the hobby. Transformers has been [[ruined FOREVER]]. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 03:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Jesus H. Christ. I know I asked about the Dinobot Combiner but... I mean, damn. I mean, holy Hell. Why would anyone draw that?--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 04:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

So are we going to get scans of part 2 as well? [[User:Detour|Detour]] 09:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think '''the DEATH PENALTY''' should be used to deter fanboys from ever writing official fiction ever again. Unless they're already accomplished writers or professionals. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Try reading it for sheer laughs. Its kinda funny seeing Cosmos go down in flames, and the Decepticon cheerleading squad's "Kill it Predaking!!!" is a hoot! When (and WHY) was this established as canon? --[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:[[Canon#Canon_and_the_Transformers|TF canon]] is everything that Hasbro and/or Takara has approved of ever. If the DVD release was official (it was, wasn't it?), then the included comic must've been approved as well. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 20:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah its an official DVD set from Metrodome in the UK. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
::I think this definition confuses the word "canon" with "official." The story is (sadly) undeniably official. I don't think that it can be considered "canon," because (as is stated within the article itself) it can't fit in pretty much ''any'' known continuity. Yeah, yeah, I know what the linked Wiki article says. My point stands. There's no such thing as a "single item canon."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 16:14, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it can be considered any more canon than those one-shot catalogue comics that came with the Armada toys. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 17:00, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

So... no one has scans of the second part of the story? This really feels like something one must view in its entirety... [[User:Detour|Detour]] 00:34, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:NO. In fact, I propose the the deletion of this entire article and anything related to it, so we can all safely pretend it doesn't even exist. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 13:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
:: Scans of both parts can be got at http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9M0UNCLC - the plus side is they're in Spanish, and all the better for it (sounds like the lettering is an improvement for a start). The downside is it's still crap. [[User:The Ideon|The Ideon]] 16:37, 31 May 2009 (EDT)

==The "The Beast"==

Can we get some more justification on this wording? "Because." isn't very sufficient, except to imply that it's just to be goofy. Which is fine, in theory, but this particular execution doesn't work. It just looks like bad English. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 21:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
: It's just to be goofy. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)