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		<title>Optimus Prime (Cyberworld)</title>
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		<updated>2025-08-01T19:26:57Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheDarkMage10218: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{factions|autobot|}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Disambig3|Optimus Prime}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Optimus Prime is the [[Autobot]] leader from [[Transformers: Cyberworld (franchise)|Cyberworld]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Optimus prime tech specs.jpg|thumb|right|[[Fortnite]] is the right of all sentient beings.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Optimus Prime&#039;&#039;&#039; is the newly appointed and mighty leader of the Autobots. Although prone to the occasional quip or witty remark, inside his chassis beats the [[spark]] of a truly kind and selfless &#039;bot. After becoming stranded on the strange [[Cyberworld (location)|Cyberworld]], he is doing his best to find allies and decipher the true nature of his situation. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Cyberworld&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Kyle Kaczmarczyk]] (English)|[[Idzi Dutkiewicz Sánchez]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Laurent Pasquier]] (French)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Optimus prime vs scorponok.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|Gamer rage comes in all shapes and sizes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Optimus Prime awoke to the voice of [[Bumblebee (Cyberworld)|Bumblebee]] telling him to stop doing &#039;&#039;something&#039;&#039; before crash-landing into a jungle in Cyberworld. Getting to his feet, he noticed his HUD had updated as he began investigating this new world. Optimus ventured into a nearby desert where he found an Autobot ship, however, he got ambushed by [[Scorponok (Cyberworld)|Scorponok]] before he could reach it. Optimus attempted to de-escalate the situation, but alas, it was not meant to be and Scorponok attacked anyway, forcing Optimus to flee.&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon retreating back to the jungle, a block of [[energon]] appeared in front of Optimus. When he touched it, he absorbed the energon and his new level stat increased. Optimus did not have much time to process this as soon after, a furious [[Grimlock (Cyberworld)|Grimlock]] emerged from the foliage. Optimus once again tried and failed to de-escalate the situation as Grimlock assaulted him and gave chase. Eventually, Optimus escaped by diving between the heads of a double-headed tree which Grimlock was too big to fit through. As Optimus was leaving, he noticed another Autobot ship falling from the sky and determined it to contain Bumblebee, but Grimlock was quick to free himself and Optimus had to trap him in a vine before heading off to find his friend. {{storylink|Commence Program}} Optimus found Bumblebee just after the yellow bot had been betrayed and shot by [[Megatron (Cyberworld)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Prime Target (Cyberworld)|Prime Target}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ongoing}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Cyberworld&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|cyberchanger}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Monster Convoy]] Lives!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Optimus Prime&#039;&#039;&#039; (Cyber Changer, [[2025]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:Released in the first wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Cyberworld (toyline)|Cyberworld]]&#039;&#039; Cyber Changers, Optimus Prime is a roughly Scout-sized figure that stands at four inches tall and converts into truck mode in four steps. As with other Cyber Changers, Optimus features a simple articulation consisting on the arms, thighs, and knees, and features a pair of 5mm-compatible hands.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{-}}{{anchor|armoredcyberchangers}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Cyberworld-Armored-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Destined for an [[Ironfist (G1)|Ironfist]] redeco.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Optimus Prime&#039;&#039;&#039; (Armored Cyber Changer, 2025)}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: weapon, 2 wings&lt;br /&gt;
:The second Cyber Changers Optimus Prime has an unmasked face and transforms into an off-road truck. He includes a large spring-loaded weapon that splays open the gun barrel when pressed, and two wing pieces that attach to the weapon or the sides of the truck.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The figure is named &amp;quot;Offroad Optimus Prime&amp;quot; in listings, but &amp;quot;offroad&amp;quot; is absent on the packaging.&lt;br /&gt;
{{comingsoontoy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Cyberworld-Optimus Prime vehicle.jpg|Truck mode&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Autobot leaders]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Cyberworld Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Primes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Thunderbeak</title>
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		<updated>2025-08-01T19:16:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheDarkMage10218: As Thunderbeak&amp;#039;s voice actor is female, and the show hasn&amp;#039;t concretely stated the character&amp;#039;s gender as far as I am aware, I swapped the pronouns from &amp;#039;he&amp;#039; to &amp;#039;she&amp;#039;. Please revert this if it turns out Thunderbeak is not female&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;Thunderbeak is an [[Energy Beast]] from [[Transformers: Wild King|Wild King]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Wild King Thunderbeak Model.jpg|thumb|upright=2|Zandar Thunder! Raiden Zankō!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Being the only member of the Dinosaur Tribe capable of flight, the young &#039;&#039;&#039;Thunderbeak&#039;&#039;&#039; (サンダービーク &#039;&#039;Sandābīku&#039;&#039;) excels at attacks from the sky. She launched an attack on [[Drillnohorn]] to offer the latter&#039;s Elemental Energy to [[Megatron (WK)|Megatron]], who is trying to gather all five elements in his hands.&lt;br /&gt;
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Possessing [[Element Energy|Lightning Energy]] that grants power over thunder, Thunderbeak is an [[Energy Beast]] that can undergo [[wildocking]] with an [[Energy Master]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Wild King&#039;&#039; cartoon===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Misa Ishii]] (Japanese)|}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|New Allies, New Threats}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Exciting Battle! Wildocking!&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|New Energy Beasts Appear!? New Combination Showdown!}}}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Wild King&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wild King WKB-08 Thunderbeak.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Gorogoro kaminari Pteragordon!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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*&#039;&#039;&#039;Thunderbeak&#039;&#039;&#039; (Energy Beast, 2025)&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;WKB-08&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;Pteranodon&#039;&#039; head, 2 &#039;&#039;Pteranodon&#039;&#039; wings, shield, &amp;quot;Lightning Energy&amp;quot; breastplate&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Yūya Ōnishi]] (TakaraTomy)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the second wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Wild King|Wild King]]&#039;&#039; toys, Thunderbeak transforms into a robotic &#039;&#039;Pteranodon&#039;&#039;. She can also transform into an arm or a leg extension for any [[Energy Master]] toy. Thunderbeak comes with a shield/blaster and an electric-themed &amp;quot;Lightning Energy&amp;quot; breastplate, which can be detached and reattached to one of the four ports on the chest of the Energy Master torso, forming part of a large elemental &amp;quot;X&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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:In addition to the above functions, Thunderbeak is also capable of forming a wing pack for any Energy Master, and her shield can be attached to the Energy Master torso, allowing the Energy Master to hold five Element Energy pieces as opposed to the usual four.&lt;br /&gt;
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:She shares several &amp;quot;core&amp;quot; parts with other Energy Beasts, namely the torso and thighs, and shares the arms and legs/wings of [[Skyreport]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Dinosaur Tribe Energy Beasts]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>MediaWiki talk:Community Portal</title>
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		<updated>2024-09-19T02:37:10Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheDarkMage10218: /* CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16) */ Amending my reasoning for my vote of option 3&lt;/p&gt;
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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:&lt;br /&gt;
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from the 40th logo&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from the Vector Sigma &amp;quot;Featured&amp;quot; logo&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from GO!&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the &amp;quot;O&amp;quot;s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn&#039;t exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Apologies, I&#039;ve corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we&#039;re not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Multi-pack&amp;quot; vs &amp;quot;gift set&amp;quot; and suchlike==&lt;br /&gt;
Incoming semantics, but... as I&#039;ve been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for &amp;quot;a bunch of separate toys packed together&amp;quot; is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Multi-pack&#039;&#039;&#039; — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Gift set&#039;&#039;&#039; — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.&lt;br /&gt;
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; packs and the various UT-era &amp;quot;VALUE PACK!&amp;quot; sets under that umbrella, which I&#039;m ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara&#039;s been putting out new &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the &amp;quot;VS pack&amp;quot; term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hasbro has used the word &amp;quot;[[Giftset]]&amp;quot; to refer to unique variants not available separately. I&#039;m inclined to think we shouldn&#039;t directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==More bullet point insignia?==&lt;br /&gt;
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I&#039;ll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.&lt;br /&gt;
* Rescue Bots&lt;br /&gt;
* The various BotBots squads&lt;br /&gt;
* My First Transformers&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there&#039;s gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that&#039;s doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::There&#039;s also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I&#039;m not sure if using &#039;&#039;Star Wars&#039;&#039; insignia falls too much out of this wiki&#039;s scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters&#039; pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I don&#039;t think we&#039;d use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn&#039;t mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don&#039;t think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the &amp;quot;rules&amp;quot;, the wiki isn&#039;t supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There&#039;s also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs&#039; contents... you&#039;re not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It&#039;s one of those cases where there&#039;s no real ideal situation, but there&#039;s a least-bad one.&lt;br /&gt;
:That said, it probably wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these &amp;quot;repacks&amp;quot; alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the &amp;quot;main&amp;quot; releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the &amp;quot;minor&amp;quot; ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn&#039;t want it to cause &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; confusion than &#039;&#039;less&#039;&#039;. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don&#039;t think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I&#039;d suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called &amp;quot;[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants&amp;quot;, but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character&#039;s appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of &amp;quot;former GoBots&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;former Diaclone&amp;quot; characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).&lt;br /&gt;
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With the same philosophy in mind, I&#039;ve also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, &amp;quot;continuity transplants&amp;quot;, notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#&amp;quot;Virtual&amp;quot; redecos|&amp;quot;virtual&amp;quot; redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their &#039;&#039;Uprising&#039;&#039; appearance, as &#039;&#039;Uprising&#039;&#039; accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.&lt;br /&gt;
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I realise I&#039;m proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates&#039; usage and a more thorough explanation of what I&#039;m trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don&#039;t like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: I&#039;m seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override&#039;s case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is &#039;&#039;going&#039;&#039; to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.&lt;br /&gt;
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it&#039;s a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don&#039;t like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that&#039;s all this feels like. And it&#039;s not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
: I really don&#039;t think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there&#039;s a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the &amp;quot;you look familiar&amp;quot; template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Listings and accessories ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.&lt;br /&gt;
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If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== A few suggestions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Gallery pages should only include images that aren&#039;t easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.&lt;br /&gt;
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There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent &amp;quot;Transformers Night&amp;quot; episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Assuming it&#039;s a licensed appearance (I can&#039;t check the credits myself :C ), I can&#039;t think why it wouldn&#039;t be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Franchise articles ==&lt;br /&gt;
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for &amp;quot;Homages&amp;quot; and one for &amp;quot;New characters&amp;quot; which I don&#039;t think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AI upscaled images ==&lt;br /&gt;
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in &amp;quot;enhancing&amp;quot; the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Agreed. It&#039;s literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::100 percent agreed. It&#039;s called &amp;quot;artificial&amp;quot; for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we&#039;re likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ending addition of high-end statues ==&lt;br /&gt;
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I&#039;m putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.&lt;br /&gt;
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It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two &#039;&#039;released&#039;&#039; series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we&#039;re &#039;&#039;gonna&#039;&#039; have big gaps. It&#039;s... a lot, on top of the &amp;quot;a lot&amp;quot; that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I&#039;ve said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF&#039;s merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the &amp;quot;current releases&amp;quot; section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How we handle weapons&#039; toy/merch sections==&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, so like... I&#039;m not really convinced that what we&#039;ve been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages&#039; toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There&#039;s just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It&#039;s not like there&#039;s much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they&#039;re increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I&#039;m feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don&#039;t fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don&#039;t have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers&#039;&#039; “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド &amp;quot;Re-Configuration Version&amp;quot; aka &amp;quot;Re-Constructed Version&amp;quot; Episode Viewing Guide ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We really need to document the &amp;quot;canon&amp;quot; Japanese viewing order for &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers&#039;&#039; &amp;amp; &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010&#039;&#039; originally included with the &#039;&#039;Pioneer&#039;&#039; Laserdisc booklets &amp;amp; later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I&#039;ve been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD &amp;quot;Instruction Booklets&amp;quot; word-for-word? As it stands, we&#039;ve only mentioned that a &amp;quot;narrative viewing order&amp;quot; exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it&#039;s unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Documenting MSRP? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that&#039;s for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don&#039;t keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It&#039;s something I find personally interesting and would&#039;ve liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today&#039;s releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure&#039;s size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It&#039;s just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it&#039;s something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I&#039;ve started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources: &lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn&#039;t find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they&#039;re smaller pages and prices can still be found. I&#039;ve decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I&#039;d been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go &amp;quot;no really we&#039;re cheaper SEE?&amp;quot; then make up some price they supposedly &amp;quot;discounted&amp;quot; down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...&lt;br /&gt;
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989&lt;br /&gt;
: Take a look-see. There&#039;s at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I &#039;&#039;want&#039;&#039; to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it&#039;s pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That&#039;s going to take a bit of mulling. &amp;quot;Average&amp;quot; price maybe, but there&#039;s gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::RE: The sandbox... I&#039;m gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I&#039;d REALLY like to keep that to just &amp;quot;size class/type (if not obvious) and release year&amp;quot;. And don&#039;t forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been &#039;&#039;extensively&#039;&#039; documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we&#039;d need to cover and &#039;&#039;how&#039;&#039; before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I&#039;d rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there&#039;s barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; do it when there&#039;s a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039; will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there&#039;s non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There&#039;s the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn&#039;t change their &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot;/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they&#039;re still charging $25 for a &#039;&#039;Legacy/Studio&#039;&#039; Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy &#039;em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... &#039;&#039;I&#039;m moderately convinced that &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot; in the USA was bullshit all along,&#039;&#039; so I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe &amp;quot;Retail price&amp;quot; would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it&#039;s little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn&#039;t print their suggested price directly on the box.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it&#039;s been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay&#039;s Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don&#039;t think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara&#039;s. What&#039;s been cataloged here are just &amp;quot;prices they were sold at&amp;quot;, which isn&#039;t &#039;&#039;specifically&#039;&#039; a Manufacturer&#039;s Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we&#039;d need a source for, and as I&#039;ve pointed out, the handful of stated &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot;s we&#039;ve seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong &#039;&#039;inference&#039;&#039; of MSRP, but, well. And even that&#039;s not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the &#039;&#039;EarthSpark&#039;&#039; Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: What I&#039;m saying is, we might want to just not call it &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot; because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don&#039;t need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and &#039;&#039;full&#039;&#039;. &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Original price&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; might be best, since that&#039;s what we&#039;re actually reporting here, with something like &amp;quot;$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) &amp;lt;expand&amp;gt;&amp;quot;. I&#039;d rather do a range than a single-price &amp;quot;average&amp;quot; on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. &amp;quot;Modern&amp;quot; stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl&#039;s&#039;s higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Alright, I&#039;ll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out&lt;br /&gt;
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the &amp;quot;intended&amp;quot; price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It&#039;s a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don&#039;t think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn&#039;t consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I&#039;m not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Micronauts, etc.==&lt;br /&gt;
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all?  Isn&#039;t that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki?  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki.  Is the other site going offline or something?  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for &#039;&#039;G.I. Joe&#039;&#039;] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn&#039;t made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we&#039;re sort of preoccupied, there&#039;s so much Joe you guys)  but I&#039;m guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound&#039;s shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn&#039;t certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being &amp;quot;not very&amp;quot;, having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn&#039;t feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there&#039;s still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that&#039;s had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It&#039;s immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==One spoilers==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transformers One and the conversation we&#039;ve all been waiting for==&lt;br /&gt;
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On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between &#039;&#039;Transformers One&#039;&#039; and the live-action &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; films, describing them as &amp;quot;two universes&amp;quot; that will be &amp;quot;separate&amp;quot;. For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Rise of the Beasts&#039;&#039;, but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see &amp;quot;[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]&amp;quot;). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; coverage going forward. &lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Keep the page format as is, and keep&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;up with the rest of the movies&#039;&#039;&#039;: For obvious reasons I think this is probably our  weakest possible solution; it&#039;s pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren&#039;t intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.&#039;&#039;&#039;: Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little &amp;quot;connective tissue&amp;quot;—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; beyond the inertia of &amp;quot;they were both made by Paramount&amp;quot;. As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous &amp;quot;prequel&amp;quot; status of &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Rise of the Beasts&#039;&#039;, but this may be a conversation for another time.&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Separate&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for &amp;quot;Optimus Prime (One)&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Megatron (One)&amp;quot;, etc.&#039;&#039;&#039; Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I&#039;m at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that&#039;s gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; lore—I&#039;d classify it as the start of a new &amp;quot;franchise&amp;quot; in the same way that we distinguish &#039;&#039;Earthspark&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Cyberverse&#039;&#039; despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days &amp;quot;new franchise&amp;quot; is generally synonymous with &amp;quot;new continuity family&amp;quot; for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
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We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! &#039;&#039;&#039;As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here&#039;&#039;&#039;. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a &amp;quot;vibe check&amp;quot; as being &amp;quot;Movie-adjacent&amp;quot; and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;option 2&#039;&#039;&#039;. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: &amp;quot;yes to all of the above&amp;quot; https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is &amp;quot;connective tissue&amp;quot; to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that &#039;&#039;&#039;option two&#039;&#039;&#039; makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I&#039;m favorable for the &#039;&#039;&#039;3rd option&#039;&#039;&#039;, it is still produced under Paramount &amp;amp; there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product &amp;amp; having seen the movie, it doesn&#039;t try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design &amp;amp; names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers &amp;amp; creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;#3&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think from a practical perspective, &#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039; is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;a fresh continuity&amp;quot; — Yep, even Lorenzo&#039;s acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there&#039;s stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel&#039;s role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;within a separate franchise&amp;quot; — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn&#039;t done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc.&amp;quot; — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039;, he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he&#039;s characterised completely differently, as the &amp;quot;comedy crazy guy&amp;quot; who&#039;s a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don&#039;t consider &#039;&#039;EarthSpark&#039;&#039; to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn&#039;t had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there&#039;s absolutely no way this would be in question — we&#039;d already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime&#039;s opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think &#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039; is straightforward and likely the approach we&#039;d take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there&#039;s a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like &amp;quot;hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?&amp;quot; and we&#039;ll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Toss me in for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; of an entirely new continuity given how &#039;&#039;different&#039;&#039; the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what&#039;s set by &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039;. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Voting for &#039;&#039;&#039;option #2&#039;&#039;&#039;. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why &amp;quot;movie continuity family&amp;quot; would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (&#039;&#039;Reign of Starscream&#039;&#039;, toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie &#039;Bee&#039;s history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don&#039;t have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Having seen the movie, I think &#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039; is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don&#039;t think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039;. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&amp;amp;ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think 3 is where I&#039;m leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as &amp;quot;movie continuity&amp;quot; simply because it was released theatrically doesn&#039;t make sense to me. We wouldn&#039;t do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it&#039;s own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn&#039;t feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
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===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===&lt;br /&gt;
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)&lt;br /&gt;
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)&lt;br /&gt;
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)&lt;br /&gt;
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it&#039;s only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I&#039;m reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This.  Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;the actual movie&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; week, which historically has waffled between &amp;quot;vague&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;contradictory&amp;quot;. Hell, even &#039;&#039;now&#039;&#039; some of them are still being all &amp;quot;well maybe it is and maybe it isn&#039;t&amp;quot; and frankly I have no faith they won&#039;t ride that ambiguity for a long time like they&#039;ve done since &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039;. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;. I&#039;ve seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I vote &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 2&#039;&#039;&#039;. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I&#039;d say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m voting &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; talk page. It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument&#039;s sake, if &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that&#039;s more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also  &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Screen Rant: I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 1&#039;&#039;&#039; This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: &amp;quot;It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that&#039;s a prequel, that&#039;s a prequel. But we&#039;re really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we&#039;ve all come to appreciate.&amp;quot; https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Voting for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 2&#039;&#039;&#039;. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional &amp;quot;Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later&amp;quot; backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can&#039;t help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Voting &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, y&#039;all gotta stop taking Lorenzo&#039;s word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Voting &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, Lorenzo has made multiple contradictory statements in the past, some having been outright proven wrong. He doesn&#039;t seem like he&#039;s involved enough in the productions in order to make concrete statements about their continuity, nor is he a representative of Hasbro. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2024 (CST)&lt;br /&gt;
:: While I would agree that splitting it out makes the most sense as I currently see it, lets also not pretend the wiki is under some thrall to the evil boogeyman known as &amp;quot;the fandoms view of Lorenzo&amp;quot; and ignore that multiple creatives for all the movies people like to argue are definitely not Bayverse for realsies have made contradictory statements about whether or not the films are all supposed to be prequels / sequels, and its because [https://x.com/SJ_Broadside/status/1836084548020338988 they are not ubernerds who care about whether this movie perfectly follows the backstory of one from nearly 2 decades ago]. Just personally, I am seeing this like the High Moon Games advertising themselves as a G1 prequel back in the day - for people not like us, all of Transformers falls into the same vague umbrella, so sure, it can be a &amp;quot;prequel&amp;quot; to the rest of the movies, in the same way Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime is Optimus Prime to Hasbro, no matter whether he be G1, Movie, Animated, or Armada. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 04:34, 18 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Haven&#039;t seen the movie yet, but I strongly agree with that comment.  This wiki has never been governed by author intent, and particularly regarding the live-action movies there are too many authors giving too much contradictory intent about contradictory material.  &#039;&#039;We&#039;&#039; made up the concept of a &amp;quot;continuity family,&amp;quot; that concept &#039;&#039;we made up&#039;&#039; is now old enough for a driver&#039;s license, we will have to continue making our own judgments about which stories mesh with what.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:45, 18 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: All this, and as to that last point: &amp;quot;continuity family&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;has literally &#039;&#039;&#039;NEVER&#039;&#039;&#039; meant &amp;quot;all fits into one actual internal timeline&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;. There&#039;s a reason we used the word &amp;quot;family&amp;quot;. We treat the totally-irreconcilable-timelines-having G1 cartoon and G1 comic as part of the same &amp;quot;family&amp;quot; (and BW as well), because of an &#039;&#039;external&#039;&#039; concept of them being &amp;quot;related&amp;quot; to each other by dint of the how and who and why of their creations. And this has held true as we moved forward, the above-mentioned High Moon statements being a very good example. The sheer squirreliness of multiple creatives -and the films themselves- over the past half-decade or so over &amp;quot;continuity&amp;quot; (and let&#039;s just dismiss out of hand what a &#039;&#039;voice actor&#039;&#039; thinks, okay), doesn&#039;t exactly make me think that the future won&#039;t see more squirreliness in whatever comes next. &amp;quot;The existing character pages are too big already&amp;quot; is a more convincing argument for a full-on split, and we got subpages/suites for that problem. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:17, 18 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::: You all make great points; I amend my reasoning for my choice of Option 3: One deviates stylistically and tonally from the live-action movies, and it isn&#039;t even live-action to begin with. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 22:37, 18 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Having seen the movie, I believe &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; is the best. It is irreconcilable with the Bay films on several levels (more so than ROTB/Bumblebee). It is extremely aesthetically and tonally different from them as well. I feel that grouping One with the rest of the live-action films simply because they share the same release venue would be akin to grouping Prime and G1. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 15:22, 18 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just got out of the advanced screening, I think &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; would be the best option. There&#039;s a few details that clash with the prior films in many regards. It has an overall different feel. --[[User:GordonShumway8690|GordonShumway8690]] ([[User talk:GordonShumway8690|talk]]) 22:10, 18 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheDarkMage10218: This is my first time typing on a talk page. I&amp;#039;m voting on the discussion about the Transformers: One movie&amp;#039;s continuity&lt;/p&gt;
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== Press release or logo for 30,000 articles? ==&lt;br /&gt;
Is it worth putting something together as we get very very close? Maybe something like:&lt;br /&gt;
* 3 from Thrilling 30 logo&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from the 40th logo&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from the Vector Sigma &amp;quot;Featured&amp;quot; logo&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from the cosmic-streaking O in the TFTM opener&lt;br /&gt;
* 0 from GO!&lt;br /&gt;
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Just a suggestion.... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:45, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:If we wanted to go down that route, maybe tie into some of the contemporary material? Say, the &amp;quot;O&amp;quot;s from [[Energon Universe]] or [[Transformers: Legacy#Legacy: Evolution|Evolution]]? (Though the latter isn&#039;t exactly straight-on...) --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 14:38, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Sure! I lean towards the Energon Universe choice. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:48, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Apologies, I&#039;ve corrected the count on the main page as it was inaccurate, so we&#039;re not as close as it looked like we were. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:20, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::That just means we have more time to decide and, if so, pull things together. :) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:51, 10 November 2023 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Feels like we just leapt up 40 new articles in the last 2-3 days. Is it worth putting a graphic together? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:47, 18 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Multi-pack&amp;quot; vs &amp;quot;gift set&amp;quot; and suchlike==&lt;br /&gt;
Incoming semantics, but... as I&#039;ve been going through the toy entries, been trying to standardize/streamline a lot of stuff, and I think maybe a set of consistent terms/definitions for &amp;quot;a bunch of separate toys packed together&amp;quot; is in order. So lemme throw this out here for discussion/future reference...&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Multi-pack&#039;&#039;&#039; — A pack of toys where the contents (or at least most/some/any of them) are exclusive to this release, not sold in other packaging. Most multi-toy releases nowadays would fall under this umbrella by default.&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Gift set&#039;&#039;&#039; — A pack of toys where all of the contents are/were concurrently (or close enough) sold individually as well, without changes, in the same market. Like all the various G1 combiner sets.&lt;br /&gt;
The latter brings up the question of if we want to label all the Takara &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; packs and the various UT-era &amp;quot;VALUE PACK!&amp;quot; sets under that umbrella, which I&#039;m ambivalent-to-marginally-in-favor-of over. Especially as Takara&#039;s been putting out new &amp;quot;VS&amp;quot; packs where the toys are new decos not available elsewhere... also we kinda made up the &amp;quot;VS pack&amp;quot; term anyway, as memory serves, so. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:15, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Hasbro has used the word &amp;quot;[[Giftset]]&amp;quot; to refer to unique variants not available separately. I&#039;m inclined to think we shouldn&#039;t directly contradict that. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:21, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::and damn but does that article need updating. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:22, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I&#039;m inclined to think that Hasbro uses lots of terms in ways that are not exactly conducive to organizing a wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:29, 8 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==More bullet point insignia?==&lt;br /&gt;
Okay so... I recall there were some other possible faction symbol bullet points we could maybe use. I ran across a few with this batch of toy pics we might consider adding. I&#039;ll list them here, see if people can think of more. I feel like there might be a couple more two-faction matchups out there.&lt;br /&gt;
* Rescue Bots&lt;br /&gt;
* The various BotBots squads&lt;br /&gt;
* My First Transformers&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;m not un-convinced that we should have the bespoke insignia for stuff like the Disney Label, since they do use them on the packaging. So uh... there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 01:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:Also, while looking at the list of all the bullets on the template page... maybe we should see if we can split the list up a smidge? Like, put all the mutli-faction icons in one section, a section just for BotBots since there&#039;s gonna be quite a few of them? Alphabetizing them might also be in order. (I have exactly zero idea how those templates are coded, so uh, lemme know if that&#039;s doable.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:42, 13 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::There&#039;s also the [[Star Wars Transformers]]... though I&#039;m not sure if using &#039;&#039;Star Wars&#039;&#039; insignia falls too much out of this wiki&#039;s scope, although we do use at least use them on the actual characters&#039; pages (see [[Darth Vader]]). [[User:Turborun|Turborun]] ([[User talk:Turborun|talk]]) 10:34, 13 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:::I don&#039;t think we&#039;d use SW insignia because, near as I can tell, the toy packaging doesn&#039;t mark the toys that way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:27, 14 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea for reducing the size of toy sections by compacting unchanged toy entries ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve come up with an idea that I think would make toy sections on character pages a little better and more intuitive. Instead of having a long list of entries for multiple releases of the exact same toy completely unchanged, we could just compact them all in a single entry, describing how the toy was available both individually and unchanged in a bunch of multipacks. This could be especially helpful with toy sections that are way too long, such as both the Movie Optimus Prime and Bumblebee toy pages that have been subject to a lot of discussion already.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Fritz/Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|I used the 2007 Legends Class section of the Movie Optimus Prime toy page to make a quick example out of it.]] The entries would be reduced from four to two toys, since 3/4 of them are the same toy anyway, and a lot of white space would be removed. As for the images of the multipacks, I don&#039;t think we would be losing much in removing them since the wiki has never prioritized images of packagings for anything really and, as I know is written somewhere in the &amp;quot;rules&amp;quot;, the wiki isn&#039;t supposed to be used as an image hosting website in the first place.&lt;br /&gt;
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So, any thoughts? --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 20:18, 20 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: We used to do this and it was actually kind of worse. There&#039;s also complications when unchanged toys end up being sold under different franchise headers, and when you add in all the other bullet point data a toy/set might have, you could end up with a lonnnnng list of bullet points before you get to the actual writeup, plus describing the multi-packs&#039; contents... you&#039;re not really saving space while also kinda hurting the demi-chronological flow of the information. And deleting the multi-pack package imagery feels very wrong. It&#039;s one of those cases where there&#039;s no real ideal situation, but there&#039;s a least-bad one.&lt;br /&gt;
:That said, it probably wouldn&#039;t be a bad idea to make sure the first entry mentions these &amp;quot;repacks&amp;quot; alongside the redecoes and links to the relevant items. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
::Good points, as usual. Now that you mentioned it, I think I do have a vague memory of this being done in the past. I was going to suggest the repacks from different toylines should remain separate, though. My mentality was that maybe we could have a way to highlight the &amp;quot;main&amp;quot; releases (original and redecoes/retools) from the &amp;quot;minor&amp;quot; ones (unchanged repacks) to make it easier to identify in a glance how many actually-different toys were released within a toyline, but I wouldn&#039;t want it to cause &#039;&#039;more&#039;&#039; confusion than &#039;&#039;less&#039;&#039;. Anyway thanks for taking the time to evaluate the idea. --[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 05:54, 22 January 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Repurposings, continuity transplants, and using Template:Main/Template:See to improve navigability==&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;ve gone back to the drawing board to come up with a way to signal to readers where closely-related pages exist, as I don&#039;t think [[Help:Disambiguation|disambiguation]] pages are enough and have found [[Template:OtherVersions]] to be unideal. [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Proposal re: G1 pages|Previously]], I&#039;d suggested merging a bunch of pages for so-called &amp;quot;[[Continuity family|continuity]] transplants&amp;quot;, but other users convinced me this would be a poor solution. One alternative suggestion, from [[User:Broadside]], was to use [[Template:Main]] to put key links to a character&#039;s appearances in other continuity families directly in the fiction section—[[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive70#Handling of &amp;quot;former GoBots&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;former Diaclone&amp;quot; characters on the wiki|reactions at the time]] were neutral-positive. You can see mockups for [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Cy-Kill|Cy-Kill]] and [[User:Broadside/Sandbox:Bug Bite|Bug Bite]]. This strikes me as the best of both worlds, because it keeps the consistent schema (which helps for page length and organisation) but also puts a link to the information in the place where your typical reader is expecting to find it (on the page for the highest-profile first incarnation of the character).&lt;br /&gt;
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With the same philosophy in mind, I&#039;ve also designed two new templates. The first, [[Template:Toyappeared]], is intended for use in toy write-ups as a way of linking to fiction write-ups and character pages. It covers [[repurposing]]s, &amp;quot;continuity transplants&amp;quot;, notable instances of [[Show-accuracy|toy-accuracy]], in-fiction [[Reformatting|powerups]], [[Redeco#&amp;quot;Virtual&amp;quot; redecos|&amp;quot;virtual&amp;quot; redecos]], you name it. Toy write-ups are increasingly being duplicated across multiple character pages, which creates maintenance overhead, as both instances must be manually kept in sync. My suggestion is to use [[Template:See]] to link to the full information regarding a toy on the original page, with the repurposed instance giving only brief information of what the toy is and &#039;&#039;why&#039;&#039; it was repurposed or whatever. The second of my new templates has a much more specific intended use case: [[Template:Bwucharacter]] provides an easy way of explaining how/why a character was reinterpreted for their &#039;&#039;Uprising&#039;&#039; appearance, as &#039;&#039;Uprising&#039;&#039; accounts for most of the situations I view as being problematic.&lt;br /&gt;
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I realise I&#039;m proposing like five things at once here, so [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing|my sandbox]] has [[User:The Wadapan/sandbox/repurposing#Full example|a full example]] demonstrating how it all works together, along with tons of individual examples of the templates&#039; usage and a more thorough explanation of what I&#039;m trying to address with them. Take a look, and let me know which aspects you like, which parts you don&#039;t like, or any ideas you have to add! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 06:24, 12 February 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
:I can vouch for these templates! [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 15:38, 26 February 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
: I&#039;m seeing a lot of problems with the implementation of some of this, and a lot of future headaches. The ones rolled out put what look like stub headers in a fiction section with just a small normal missable note up top; and in Override&#039;s case in specific, multiple stubs with completely redundant information. What this is &#039;&#039;going&#039;&#039; to do is get new people thinking that these are missing information that needs to be filled, then we gotta revert it and tell them no all that goes elsewhere, which is utterly unintuitive and will just lead to arguments and headaches all around.&lt;br /&gt;
: As for toys, in the instances of BWU-type stuff where it&#039;s a one-toy Mini-Con or whatever, I feel like NOT having the actual toy info for them on the BWU page, as with the Mini-Con Snow Cat toy currently, is not doing the reader any favors. Quite the opposite. Why are we making them jump to a different page for information that has no reason to not be right there? I don&#039;t like making readers jump through hoops needlessly, and that&#039;s all this feels like. And it&#039;s not like the toy sections of most of these are gonna see major changes, so lack of cross-updating is very, very, very unlikely to be an issue.&lt;br /&gt;
: I really don&#039;t think these require new templates and a bunch of new-editor landmines. At most, there&#039;s a decent argument to be made for re-positioning the &amp;quot;you look familiar&amp;quot; template that already exists, maybe below the main character writeup (above feels like a bad layout choice, pushing all kinds of stuff down.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:11, 28 February 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Listings and accessories ==&lt;br /&gt;
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When I was making the description for cannonball based on the Walmart listing, there was mention of a Gatling gun and hammer not shown in the stock images,and left them out.&lt;br /&gt;
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If I run into this type of situation again, what do I do?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 10:56, 7 March 2024 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== A few suggestions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Gallery pages should only include images that aren&#039;t easily accessed by going to the main page, to avoid cluttering. I guess this is not an issue now since the current gallery pages are fairly short.&lt;br /&gt;
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There should be more dedication in listing alt-modes of characters. Maybe there should be a header or something. For example, if the Dreamwave version of [[Sunstorm (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Sunstorm]] transforms into an F-16 jet, it should be listed in the beginning with a header for the sake of easy access to the said information.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:59, 17 March 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Will we get an article on The Masked Singer? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Will there be an article on TFWiki about The Masked Singer, specifically their recent &amp;quot;Transformers Night&amp;quot; episode (https://the-masked-singer.fandom.com/wiki/Transformers_Night)? --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 20:01, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: Assuming it&#039;s a licensed appearance (I can&#039;t check the credits myself :C ), I can&#039;t think why it wouldn&#039;t be [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 21:15, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: It was indeed licensed. --[[User:John Pannozzi|John Pannozzi]] ([[User talk:John Pannozzi|talk]]) 22:30, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Yes, as an official Hasbro-sanctioned piece of TF media, the episode does meet our requirements for inclusion. It just needs someone to write it up. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:22, 12 April 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Franchise articles ==&lt;br /&gt;
So I was looking at the franchise pages to try and get an idea of what the standard is supposed to be for how they are written. Should all of them be updated to be more like the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)]] article? What was making me wonder this was that on the [[Transformers: Energon (franchise)]] article it had a section for &amp;quot;Homages&amp;quot; and one for &amp;quot;New characters&amp;quot; which I don&#039;t think any other franchise article has. --[[User:1levichurch|1levichurch]] ([[User talk:1levichurch||talk]]) 22:57, 21 April 2024 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== AI upscaled images ==&lt;br /&gt;
With fresh offsite talks about the matter, I put forth we add an official policy against posting AI upscaled images of any kind to the wiki, owing to their subpar performance in &amp;quot;enhancing&amp;quot; the quality of images. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 23:52, 1 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Agreed. It&#039;s literally faking information and presenting it as official. (Also often noticeably terrible.) Sometimes the best quality available of something sucks, but we simply have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:57, 1 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::100 percent agreed. It&#039;s called &amp;quot;artificial&amp;quot; for a reason. Plenty of details would be lost out through the upscaling, and several times errors on the wiki somehow became official through Hastak using the wiki for references (the whole [[Circular reporting]] thing). If we start allowing AI upscaled images, then we&#039;re likely to have things lost to the annals of time. Potato quality is better than lost quality[[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 00:11, 2 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Sure. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:43, 2 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ending addition of high-end statues ==&lt;br /&gt;
This is something I doubt other people have noticed, but I&#039;m putting down a tent-peg on it: After having built the entries for dozens of high-end collectable TF statues in the last 2-3 years, from firms like Diamond Select, Imaginarium, Azure Sea, XM Studios, etc., and then seeing most of them either officially cancelled or never spoken of again with no reported purchases, I am going to stop adding such items here. If someone else feels like cataloguing them, great.&lt;br /&gt;
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It really may not be possible for us to keep up with toy-like non-transforming merchandise (figurines and statues) the way we used to. There are at least two &#039;&#039;released&#039;&#039; series of G1 core cast micro-figurines with micro-comics and magnifying glasses, which would have been the rage of the fandom in 2005, that nobody ever got around to adding, and it feels like too much of a chore for me to start. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:35, 3 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: It&#039;s an unfortunate but very real thing that once you enter the world of licensed merch, we&#039;re &#039;&#039;gonna&#039;&#039; have big gaps. It&#039;s... a lot, on top of the &amp;quot;a lot&amp;quot; that is the regular TF toyline and fictional output today. I&#039;ve said that the work involved in keeping up with all of TF&#039;s merch ought to be a full-time paying job, and I genuinely mean it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:39, 3 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Transformers Roleplaying Game releases on the front page and sidebar ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Transformers Roleplaying Game]] is getting pretty frequent releases of both sourcebooks and pre-written adventures, and it occurs to me that it might be a good idea to have it on the &amp;quot;current releases&amp;quot; section of the front page and/or the navigation sidebar. How would people feel about that? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:49, 4 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I think that makes a lot of sense, as long as we have people keeping up with the new releases to document them. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:51, 4 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==How we handle weapons&#039; toy/merch sections==&lt;br /&gt;
Okay, so like... I&#039;m not really convinced that what we&#039;ve been doing is the best way to handle the weapon pages&#039; toys/merch sections. Honestly, they end up looking... really shoddy. There&#039;s just tiny scraps of info, vast wads of whitespace, few to no links, the images are tons of different sizes. &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
I&#039;m thinking that instead of all this... maybe this is a place where a gallery is in order, just a chronological procession. Have the captions just say what lines/toys the weapons came with and link to the toys directly on the character page. It&#039;s not like there&#039;s much to say about any of these, why not let the toy listing on the character page say it? Why make people scroll through screens of mostly-emptiness, which I feel they&#039;re increasingly unlikely to do? I may do a sandbox if I&#039;m feeling up to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:24, 6 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:[[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:WeaponPageToysSection]] - So... this, basically. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:39, 6 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;d be on board with that. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:34, 6 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I like it. It would be far more compact than our current approach for, say, [[Fusion cannon#Toys]], while still getting the point across. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:13, 10 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Proposal for Unproduced or Unreleased Template==&lt;br /&gt;
I don&#039;t think the Apocrypha template is particularly useful. It was created specifically for Alignment, but most of the things in it don&#039;t fit that criteria. Something like Unproduced or Unreleased Transformer media would be more self explanatory. [[User:WillR113|WillR113]] ([[User talk:WillR113|talk]]) 07:05, 11 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Use of pictures from ebay, fan sites, etc ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is it appropriate to use pictures of toys from ebay, fan reviews, video review screenshots and the like? Under fair use and with source credit? Sometimes rarer items we don&#039;t have good pictures of on the wiki show up in these places. In particular I found a ebay seller with good images of EZ collection toys and and old Japanese review blog with images of Takara variants of HFTD/Autobot Alliance toys so that got me wondering. —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 10:10, 12 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Images from eBay and other fan sites have been and can continue to be used, giving the fullest source credit feasible. I don&#039;t think we&#039;ve ever needed to rely on video review screenshots and would always prefer to have a &amp;quot;normal&amp;quot; still image instead whenever possible. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:02, 16 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers&#039;&#039; “再構成版” エピソード視聴ガイド &amp;quot;Re-Configuration Version&amp;quot; aka &amp;quot;Re-Constructed Version&amp;quot; Episode Viewing Guide ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We really need to document the &amp;quot;canon&amp;quot; Japanese viewing order for &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers&#039;&#039; &amp;amp; &#039;&#039;Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010&#039;&#039; originally included with the &#039;&#039;Pioneer&#039;&#039; Laserdisc booklets &amp;amp; later apparently revised by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] (市川裕文) for the DVD BOX SET 2 Instruction Booklet as it would help clean-up the chronology on many wiki pages here. From what I&#039;ve been able to gather this particular viewing order differs from both the US/Japan production orders, the US-Airing order and the Japanese-Airing order. So what exactly is the order of the episodes of these two series according to these documents? Does anyone own them and able to list the specific order in which the episodes appear in those LD/DVD &amp;quot;Instruction Booklets&amp;quot; word-for-word? As it stands, we&#039;ve only mentioned that a &amp;quot;narrative viewing order&amp;quot; exists but do not have it listed anywhere. For further clarification, it is not the order in which the episodes appear on the Japanese DVDs. [[User:Astrobotix|Astrobotix]] ([[User talk:Astrobotix|talk]]) 01:09, 15 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:While this information would be valuable and is worth documenting, it&#039;s unlikely to result in us making any major changes to the way our information is structured. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 16 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Okay, having seen the booklets in question, it just lists the episodes in production order, continuity errors and all. So...absolutely no change, then. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:44, 17 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Documenting MSRP? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Would it be worth documenting MSRP prices (in usd at least)? For the regular retail classes that&#039;s for the most part covered by the [[size class]] page, but we don&#039;t keep track of them for more specialty items like Masterpieces, multipacks, exclusives, one-off releases not in a normal size class, special lines like Missing Link, etc. It&#039;s something I find personally interesting and would&#039;ve liked to know for older figures and someone in the future might want to know about today&#039;s releases. It can also offer some neat bits of info like how Premium Finish releases were generally one price point up compared to the figure&#039;s size or how the upcoming United Cliffjumper multipack is a whole $30 off what the individual figures would cost --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:20, 21 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think this would be very interesting, particularly when you scroll down pages for G1 toys that got multiple reissues like the Seekers, Insecticons, and tape players. It&#039;s just that - like the Designer Notes and the proper insignias on each and every toy - it would take forever to add and would probably wind up being one super-dedicated person having to do most of the work. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:28, 21 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I might try to do what I can, going back to recatalogue everything would definitely be a chore. But at the very least I strongly believe it&#039;s something we can and should implement for future toy entries. I&#039;ve started a [[User:BluJayWarrior/Sandbox|MSRP Sandbox]] to try out a few formats, any feedback is appreciated. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 05:18, 23 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Cleaned up the sandbox page. Anyone have anything to say about the format? Might try applying Style 1 to a few pages this weekend if no one makes any objections. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Of those options I like Style 1 the best. As you already noted, the [[size class]] pages covers basically all normal U.S. retail from BW through Legacy, missing things like Platinum and MP. To find contemporary G1 prices, here are some good resources: &lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20181125082555/https://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf84.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081109/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf85.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114091052/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf86.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114090836/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf87.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114084922/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf88.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114081716/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf89.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://web.archive.org/web/20191114085830/http://pleasesavemerobots.com/vstp/vstptf90.html&lt;br /&gt;
:::https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/g1-original-retail-price-listing.1167895/&lt;br /&gt;
:::I tried looking for G2 MSRP but couldn&#039;t find anything as obvious. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:24, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Thanks for the sources, gonna have to sort through that later. Planning to start with new ROTB characters since they&#039;re smaller pages and prices can still be found. I&#039;ve decided to add prices for retail classes for reader convenience; not everyone will know to go to the size class page for them and its not linked often enough to make it reasonable they would. [[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 14:22, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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: I&#039;d been working on a project like this a long time ago, had originally proposed adding this to the wiki, but then kinda stopped... mostly because near as I could tell, the MSRP in the 80s was something retailers could just make the hell up. The price ranges for any given toy were kinda all over the damn place, and the MSRP was something some retailers used to go &amp;quot;no really we&#039;re cheaper SEE?&amp;quot; then make up some price they supposedly &amp;quot;discounted&amp;quot; down from... you know, the thing that got Kay-Bee in legal-type troubles. I was increasingly unsure how to handle that wild price variance concisely on the wiki. In fact...&lt;br /&gt;
::https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PBE2i9vLE6fkr933GQbXosA1cxIqB3CkOSnzW0BMdwc/edit#gid=448439989&lt;br /&gt;
: Take a look-see. There&#039;s at least three different MSRP values for the standard Headmasters, never mind actual sticker prices. Like, I &#039;&#039;want&#039;&#039; to provide this kind of context, I really do, and it&#039;s pretty easy once we get to the unified price points of BW on... but for G1 and G2? Woof. That&#039;s going to take a bit of mulling. &amp;quot;Average&amp;quot; price maybe, but there&#039;s gonna be some Prices Georg here and there throwing shit off. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:35, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::RE: The sandbox... I&#039;m gonna have to vote against Style 1, because, as noted, price info is very likely going to get... cluttered, and the longer that parenthetical is, the worse it is. I&#039;d REALLY like to keep that to just &amp;quot;size class/type (if not obvious) and release year&amp;quot;. And don&#039;t forget Takara-release prices, which can be more flexible even within a size class... but at least those have been &#039;&#039;extensively&#039;&#039; documented. I think we need to talk about bit more about everything we&#039;d need to cover and &#039;&#039;how&#039;&#039; before we go implementing anything, and get a few more people in on the discussion. (Sorry for all the add-ons, lightly scattered today.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Fair enough on the old stuff since that gets convoluted, but the newer stuff is comparatively easier to do and I&#039;d rather start sooner before some MSRP prices get harder to find (ROTB Autobots Unite subline prices seem to have disappeared already). Added the ROTB Airazor page I was gonna start with to the sandbox so you can see how the page might look as a whole. Since you object to Style 1 I added a Style 2 version too. --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 18:38, 24 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Assemble the data, sure, but I am going to say do &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; actually apply any of this to live articles. Again, there&#039;s barely been any time or discussion on a project that is... vast in scope, and we simply do not jump on stuff like this right away, because that means things will get not considered and then we have to re-do hundreds to thousands of pages... and we absolutely do &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; do it when there&#039;s a giant obvious gap (the first decade of the franchise) that still needs to be considered, as how we handle &#039;&#039;that&#039;&#039; will affect how we handle all the others, because we try and keep things consistent.&lt;br /&gt;
:::: Like, just off the top of my head, there&#039;s non-US-or-Japan markets to consider for just about everything normal-retail. Which makes me think we may want to look into a collapsible template, like with the toy designers and voice actors, to handle the other markets without overloading the bullet point sections, some of which are already a bit husky. There&#039;s the fact that Walmart and Target just dropped the prices on TF Deluxes in the US... but apparently, Hasbro didn&#039;t change their &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot;/cost at all. In fact a quick jump to Hasbro Pulse shows they&#039;re still charging $25 for a &#039;&#039;Legacy/Studio&#039;&#039; Deluxe, while I can pop to the local Target/Walmart and buy &#039;em at $20, so we gotta consider ranges just like with G1/G2. And again... &#039;&#039;I&#039;m moderately convinced that &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot; in the USA was bullshit all along,&#039;&#039; so I don&#039;t know that it&#039;s the term we even want to use in the first place. Maybe &amp;quot;Retail price&amp;quot; would be better. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:17, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::I think just documenting the MSRP, if we know it, is enough. No need to go down the rabbit hole of tracking down what individual retailers sell them at when they disregard the MSRP (which as, after all, only a suggested price). In my opinion, at least, it&#039;s little different from listing the cover prices of books - the only difference is that Hasbro doesn&#039;t print their suggested price directly on the box.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::Totally hear you on waiting to the pull the trigger until it&#039;s been properly discussed, though. Also, I prefer BluJay&#039;s Style 2 as well. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 03:46, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: Um, the problem is, again... I really don&#039;t think we HAVE any actual MSRPs outside of Takara&#039;s. What&#039;s been cataloged here are just &amp;quot;prices they were sold at&amp;quot;, which isn&#039;t &#039;&#039;specifically&#039;&#039; a Manufacturer&#039;s Suggested Retail Price, the specific price suggested specifically by the manufacturer. Those we&#039;d need a source for, and as I&#039;ve pointed out, the handful of stated &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot;s we&#039;ve seen for Hasbro stuff... well, someone was lying, likely multiple someones. For BW on we have a pretty strong &#039;&#039;inference&#039;&#039; of MSRP, but, well. And even that&#039;s not reliable... I just remembered that Walmart and Target were charging markedly different prices for the &#039;&#039;EarthSpark&#039;&#039; Tacticons, like, a $2 diff.&lt;br /&gt;
:::::: What I&#039;m saying is, we might want to just not call it &amp;quot;MSRP&amp;quot; because of that (also, frankly I question how many people even recognize that acronym). And because of the wide variance in prices for older stuff, no, we don&#039;t need to list every price at every retailer (there were a billion retailers in the 80s... man, remember when actual competition in the market was a thing?), but we really OUGHT to account for the variance somehow, because it can be wide and &#039;&#039;full&#039;&#039;. &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;Original price&#039;&#039;&amp;quot; might be best, since that&#039;s what we&#039;re actually reporting here, with something like &amp;quot;$2.99 - $4.99 (US) / ¥500 (Japan) &amp;lt;expand&amp;gt;&amp;quot;. I&#039;d rather do a range than a single-price &amp;quot;average&amp;quot; on old stuff, especially when we have so MUCH data on what these were sold at across the nation that we can see the trends and when a particularly high or low price is an outlier adn should not have been counted. &amp;quot;Modern&amp;quot; stuff we can certainly ignore, say, Kohl&#039;s&#039;s higher prices and just do the average probable-MSRP-if-those-actually-exist prices most places (all two of them) charge. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Alright, I&#039;ll make a [[User:BluJayWarrior/MSRP Catalog|separate sub page]] to catalog prices for now while that gets sorted out&lt;br /&gt;
::::As Dark T said, I think prioritizing initial Hasbro MSRP is best as it is the &amp;quot;intended&amp;quot; price (this is what [https://brickset.com Brickset] does for Lego). It&#039;s a point of consistency since historically different retailers tend have slight variations on the price anyway (Target/Walmart sometimes being slightly lower, Kohls/BBTS being higher, general lag on reflecting the msrp price increases a few years ago, etc) and I don&#039;t think that whole range needs to be noted. Admittedly the current Target/Walmart prices drops are pretty unusual (a whole $5?!) but unless it becomes something more widespread I personally wouldn&#039;t consider it as a data point. Might be worth making a note of somewhere if anything, though I&#039;m not sure where --[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 04:26, 25 May 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Micronauts, etc.==&lt;br /&gt;
Why are we suddenly gaining detailed issue write-ups for so much of Micronauts, which contains no TF elements at all?  Isn&#039;t that the point of the IDW Hasbroverse wiki?  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:14, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Oh and look, now whole issues of M.A.S.K. written 7 years ago with no TF content whatsoever are being pasted from the Hasbroverse wiki.  Is the other site going offline or something?  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 14:26, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I don&#039;t think it was really our intention to formally unveil the project until we were further along, but some of us have been doing a fair bit of work towards creating a [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page sister wiki for &#039;&#039;G.I. Joe&#039;&#039;] where the [https://gijoe.miraheze.org/wiki/Comics#IDW_Publishing_3 out-of-scope IDW Joe coverage] has already been re-homed. The Joe crew hasn&#039;t made any calls about what do with non-Joe stuff to be clear (we&#039;re sort of preoccupied, there&#039;s so much Joe you guys)  but I&#039;m guessing the idea here is to align the rest with our [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Archive71#Energon Universe coverage|current approach]] to [[Energon Universe|Skybound&#039;s shared universe]] and sundown the IDW one? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:::That is more or less the intention, yeah. The Hasbroverse wiki was built at a time where it was perhaps anticipated to be grander than it ended up being, and it wasn&#039;t certain how long it was going to run; with the end result being &amp;quot;not very&amp;quot;, having this other vestigial site for what is ultimately not a lot of content just doesn&#039;t feel practical. The exception, of course, is pre-V5 Joe, which has &#039;&#039;always&#039;&#039; been the sticking point in discussions about moving Hasbroverse content here, both for the amount and for how little it has to do with the IDW Transformers line. Having a dedicated Joe wiki solves that problem and frees up the rest of the Hasbroverse stuff to be reintegrated. Plus, there&#039;s still new Joe material being released to this day; arguably having a complete and better curated site for the franchise as a whole that continues to be updated with new releases is more likely to drive traffic and get other people to contribute than it would be linking to a dead wiki for a long-ended comic line that&#039;s had the same featured articles for five years because no one cares to add anything to it anymore. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:59, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::It does look like a rough consensus was reached to do this back in 2021 ([[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Reintegration_of_Hasbroverse_wiki_content|Archive 69]]), it was just never implemented. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Like half of MASK issues have something from Transformers in them. Picking and choosing which select issues to cover here is hair-splitting and obnoxious for readers. It&#039;s immensely better to just have all the information in one, easily-accessible spot and regard Hasbro Universe as a de facto spinoff of Transformers, much like Beastformers and Energon Universe are. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:10, 1 August 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==One spoilers==&lt;br /&gt;
I propose that information about this movie be withheld until it actually opens in its largest market next weekend.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:04, 14 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: Agreed. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Transformers One and the conversation we&#039;ve all been waiting for==&lt;br /&gt;
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On September 12th, Lorenzo di Bonaventura [https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ clarified the relationship] between &#039;&#039;Transformers One&#039;&#039; and the live-action &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; films, describing them as &amp;quot;two universes&amp;quot; that will be &amp;quot;separate&amp;quot;. For some, this kind of explicit confirmation may come as a relief after years of wishy-washy answers regarding &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Rise of the Beasts&#039;&#039;, but it also leaves us with questions on how to best handle &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;-related information going forward. Around 2015, we adopted a unique layout we applied to all the movie characters, where we organized their movie appearances at the top of the page, regardless of chronological order of release (see &amp;quot;[[Optimus Prime (Movie)#Movies]]&amp;quot;). Obviously, this leads to some questions regarding how we should handle our &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; coverage going forward. &lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Keep the page format as is, and keep&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;up with the rest of the movies&#039;&#039;&#039;: For obvious reasons I think this is probably our  weakest possible solution; it&#039;s pretty clear at this point that our current solution for classifying the films is not really sustainable, and mashing them all together under a single loosely-affiliated umbrella is already confusing and frustrating people who aren&#039;t intimately acquainted with the mechanics of the wiki.&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Reorganize movie character pages so that we acknowledge the live-action films and&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;as separate continuities within one continuity family, similar to how our G1 pages cover Sunbow, Marvel, JG1, IDW, etc.&#039;&#039;&#039;: Historically speaking, this is probably the safest option, but from what I understand there is very little &amp;quot;connective tissue&amp;quot;—visually, character-wise, plot-beats—between the live-action films and &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; beyond the inertia of &amp;quot;they were both made by Paramount&amp;quot;. As some people have discussed in the past, this could lead to a full or partial reformat of our movie character coverage to more clearly reflect the ambiguous &amp;quot;prequel&amp;quot; status of &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Rise of the Beasts&#039;&#039;, but this may be a conversation for another time.&lt;br /&gt;
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* &#039;&#039;&#039;Separate&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;as an entirely new continuity family and split out the relevant information so we have pages for &amp;quot;Optimus Prime (One)&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Megatron (One)&amp;quot;, etc.&#039;&#039;&#039; Probably the most radical proposal, but this is honestly where I&#039;m at right now: from what I understand the movie is a pretty radical departure from everything that&#039;s gone before, with entirely new interpretations of old &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; lore—I&#039;d classify it as the start of a new &amp;quot;franchise&amp;quot; in the same way that we distinguish &#039;&#039;Earthspark&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;Cyberverse&#039;&#039; despite them both clearly drawing on the same well of post-Aligned lore, and these days &amp;quot;new franchise&amp;quot; is generally synonymous with &amp;quot;new continuity family&amp;quot; for the ease of wiki bookkeeping.&lt;br /&gt;
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We would appreciate hearing your thoughts on the matter! &#039;&#039;&#039;As the film is not out yet in all regions please refrain from posting spoilers here&#039;&#039;&#039;. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:56, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I could see option 3 being the way we go, but what holds me back from that is that beyond just Paramount, Spielberg and Bay are still executive producers on the film. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:39, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I think we should put them on the Earthspark Continuity pages to satisfy no-one /j - but yeah, the film is drawing from the same vaguely Binder Of Revelation backstory as everything else for the last 10 years, and unless they have been hiding The Fallen twisting D-16 to evil or the twist that the Creators were the Quintessons all along, One feels pretty decoupled from the rest of the movies. The big issue I see with splitting out fully is that people wondering why we do not do the same for Bumblebee/ROTB, but that more easily passes a &amp;quot;vibe check&amp;quot; as being &amp;quot;Movie-adjacent&amp;quot; and belonging on the same page as the Bay 5-dom than One so far. Agree that trying to put them directly alongside the other movies as a prequel feels both unwieldy and confusing. [[User:AkibaSilver|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver|talk]]) 09:41, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, I think creating separate pages is the way to go. [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 09:54, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;option 2&#039;&#039;&#039;. To me the movie is different enough to be a separate universe but not an entirely different continuity. Josh Cooley himself on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: &amp;quot;yes to all of the above&amp;quot; https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. (And having seen the movie I can confirm those connections to the live-action series do exist). [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:05, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;. One has always felt very different to the previous live action movies so I feel it should get its own dedicated pages. As for BB and ROTB, there is &amp;quot;connective tissue&amp;quot; to the Bayverse movies so I feel they can stay on the pre-existing movie pages. [[User:PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk:PublicCrown|talk]]) 10:25, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Having viewed the film at an advance screening, I think there are easily enough references and homages to previous films that &#039;&#039;&#039;option two&#039;&#039;&#039; makes the most sense. - [[User:Archforce|Archforce]] ([[User talk:Archforce|talk]]) 10:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I&#039;m favorable for the &#039;&#039;&#039;3rd option&#039;&#039;&#039;, it is still produced under Paramount &amp;amp; there are some producers attached to the project that were on previous movies, but my stance is that we should judge based on the final product &amp;amp; having seen the movie, it doesn&#039;t try to be in line to what came before (there are some similarities in design &amp;amp; names, but it stops there since every popular TF stories has influence over the next ones), helped by the new team of writers &amp;amp; creatives. If we can treat each new cartoon as its own entity (even tho in recent years they are streamlined in some areas), I think we can do the same for the recent movies that have more contradictory elements to the Bayverse –[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:49, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;#3&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039; is the cleanest option to me. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think from a practical perspective, &#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039; is the only real option. Looking at the loose guidelines for a new family on our [[continuity family]] page:&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;a fresh continuity&amp;quot; — Yep, even Lorenzo&#039;s acknowledged this. Even if we questioned that, there&#039;s stuff like the AllSpark being absent (with the Matrix pretty much taking exactly the role the AllSpark would have), Megatronus being a good guy, and Sentinel&#039;s role being entirely irreconcilable with Dark of the Moon.&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;within a separate franchise&amp;quot; — Yep. New franchise, and the marketing hasn&#039;t done anything to allude to the live-action films specifically.&lt;br /&gt;
:*&amp;quot;significantly different in cast, theme, style, etc.&amp;quot; — This is the big sticking point for me. One makes no attempt to align with the visual style or characterisations of the live-action films. The sole real connective point is B-127 (name from &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039;, he has the big cheeks and antenna of the movie guy, and his talking a lot is clearly a meta-gag about him losing his voice), but even he&#039;s characterised completely differently, as the &amp;quot;comedy crazy guy&amp;quot; who&#039;s a peer to Optimus and co instead of the cool-but-rude big brother figure from Bay/Bee/Beasts.&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m sympathetic to the Paramount/Bay/Spielberg/Di Bonaventura connective tissue, but my big rebuttal there is that we don&#039;t consider &#039;&#039;EarthSpark&#039;&#039; to be Aligned because Nicole Dubuc is the showrunner. Ultimately, if we hadn&#039;t had pre-release producer statements (now contradicted) calling it a prequel to the other movies, there&#039;s absolutely no way this would be in question — we&#039;d already have it as a separate continuity family. And from a wiki organisation standpoint I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way to, say, write up Sentinel Prime&#039;s opening paragraph in a way that adequately covers both the DOTM and One characters without genericising it to the point of uselessness. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 12:33, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Yeah, I think &#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039; is straightforward and likely the approach we&#039;d take if we were presented with the film, as a story, with zero context on the studio releasing it or EPs involved or whatever. I also think there&#039;s a high likelihood that the next live-action film will have Elita appear and be like &amp;quot;hey Optimus remember when we were in Transformers One?&amp;quot; and we&#039;ll all groan and have to reconsider, but until then, I think the real-world context is basically the only thing separating One from just being the next Broadly Aligned-y New Thing like Cyberverse and EarthSpark before it, which we consistently split out for organisation reasons. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:45, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Toss me in for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; of an entirely new continuity given how &#039;&#039;different&#039;&#039; the story details has been laid out when compared to the original 2007 film-verse and then later what&#039;s set by &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039;. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:38, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Voting for &#039;&#039;&#039;option #2&#039;&#039;&#039;. While we would still have the outlier of TF:TAM 86 being a theatrically released movie in the G1 continuity family, I see no reason why &amp;quot;movie continuity family&amp;quot; would not only include transmedia spinoffs from feature films (&#039;&#039;Reign of Starscream&#039;&#039;, toy redeco Tech Specs, etc. etc.) but also feature films which are belonging different timelines and story universes. This would also free us from having to reconcile Movie &#039;Bee&#039;s history -- did he come to Earth in the 1940s or the 1980s? -- and put to bed *that* long running argument about whether the Bay-directed films were the same universe as BB and RotB or not -- now they don&#039;t have to be! [[User:Banpei the Mini-Con|Banpei the Mini-Con]] ([[User talk:Banpei the Mini-Con|talk]]) 14:58, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Having seen the movie, I think &#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039; is our cleanest option. Between the Lorenzo interview and, without going into spoilers, the numerous discrepencies there are, I don&#039;t think we can get away with suiting it out ala G1. The time may come when we do that for Bumblebee onwards but as far as One goes, I say we treat it as a new continuity. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 19:53, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;#3&#039;&#039;&#039;. #2 was close for me, but TFOne (having seen the movie) is so artistically different from the live action movies, it feels pointless to keep it on the same page like G1/IDW. Ironically, we could give Bayverse/BB&amp;amp;ROTB the G1/IDW treatment. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 23:23, 15 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I think 3 is where I&#039;m leaning after seeing the film. Keeping this as &amp;quot;movie continuity&amp;quot; simply because it was released theatrically doesn&#039;t make sense to me. We wouldn&#039;t do that with a new comic or show because it was the same medium, why do it for a movie just because of that? Yes There is some CNA here to the live action films, but it could be argued it has just as much pulled from G1. One is it&#039;s own thing in the end. Trying to fit it into the live action movie box just doesn&#039;t feel right in this case.--[[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 05:47, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; for all the reasons previously mentioned as well as size concerns. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, I believe the movie was clearly made with a new continuity in mind.-[[User:TitaniumToughGuy|TitaniumToughGuy]] ([[User talk:TitaniumToughGuy|talk]]) 09:38, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&amp;lt;!--&lt;br /&gt;
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===CHECKPOINT (2024/09/16)===&lt;br /&gt;
*Votes for Option 1: 1 (96megatron)&lt;br /&gt;
*Votes for Option 2: 3 (GrievousPrime, Archforce, Banpei the Mini-Con)&lt;br /&gt;
*Votes for Option 3: 15 (Locoman, AkibaSilver, MrRald, PublicCrown, MahXyme, Saix, Broadside, Jalaguy, Lonegamer, Ezim93, Boingus, ParadoxFactor, Khajidha, TitaniumToughGuy, CyberLink420)&lt;br /&gt;
As it stands, current consensus is pretty overwhelmingly in favor of Option 3 by a ratio of 5:1. I know it&#039;s only been a day, but barring a sudden swell of support for #2, it might be prudent to start switching everything over. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:20, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
: I&#039;m reluctant to make actual changes until the movie hits wide release and the general public can make informed input. Give it a few more days. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:40, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::This.  Let people... SEE the movie before we make important decisions.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Right. We can wait a few days for more than a small handful of people to see this and base their decision on, you know, &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;the actual movie&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; rather than whatever someone who had something to do with it says &#039;&#039;this&#039;&#039; week, which historically has waffled between &amp;quot;vague&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;contradictory&amp;quot;. Hell, even &#039;&#039;now&#039;&#039; some of them are still being all &amp;quot;well maybe it is and maybe it isn&#039;t&amp;quot; and frankly I have no faith they won&#039;t ride that ambiguity for a long time like they&#039;ve done since &#039;&#039;Bumblebee&#039;&#039;. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:49, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I&#039;ve said ever since Keegan Michael Key tweeted as much that One should be treated as a separate continuity. &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; for sure. {{unsigned|jmcdavid}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;. I&#039;ve seen the movie and other users have covered why that seems like the best choice. It feels as different from the previous movies as Prime is from Animated, or Earthspark from Sunbow (which, despite directly homaging/referencing Sunbow, Earthspark is considered separate from). [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 18:01, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::I vote &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 2&#039;&#039;&#039;. There seems to be a large focus on whether or not the film fits in continuity with the prior films, but considering how little they fit with each other that feels irrelevant to me. The creators have been rather unclear whether this film should be considered separate from the ongoing live-action series in terms of production, just in terms of universe. If we had a sense this was the springboard for an entirely separate animated film series I&#039;d say Option 3, but it feels unwarranted at this time. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 20:29, 16 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:I&#039;m voting &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;; much of my reasons are the same as others have stated above, and I do apologise for opening this bags of worms on the &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; talk page. It&#039;s not that I don&#039;t understand why some people are opposed to creating a new set if pages, but for argument&#039;s sake, if &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; gets one or more sequels, it would likely draw further away from the established live-action films and become its own continuity/franchise (though that&#039;s more of a what-if right now). Overall, I personally think that separating live-action films and animated ones into their own continuities is a reasonable option, and I believe that &#039;&#039;One&#039;&#039; has proven itself a different entity. [[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 06:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Also  &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039; . In tone, content, continuity, style, story, just feels too different to me from the Michael Bay and other films, really only having the method of release in common. It feels more separate from the other movies than even Cyberverse from G1, and that’s happily separate. —[[User:MissDaria|MissDaria]] ([[User talk:MissDaria|talk]]) 10:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Screen Rant: I vote for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 1&#039;&#039;&#039; This came out from ScreenRant today. Is Transformers One considered a prequel to the recent movies of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beast or the original live-action film starting in 2007? Or is it something completely, entirely new? ... Lorenzo di Bonaventura: &amp;quot;It obviously exists beforehand. I think we figured it out. It was like 300 million years before the first Michael Bay movie, so if that&#039;s a prequel, that&#039;s a prequel. But we&#039;re really following the lore about where it starts, and so we really just think about it as the beginning of the story. The origin, yes, but literally the beginning of the thing that we&#039;ve all come to appreciate.&amp;quot; https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-and-josh-cooley-interview/ [[User:96megatron|96megatron]] ([[User talk:96megatron|talk]]) 10:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
::Voting for &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 2&#039;&#039;&#039;. If adding stuff like Aligned backstory influence disqualifies One from being movie, then there could be an argument for splitting IDW characters off from the G1 pages because of things like the absence of the traditional &amp;quot;Ark crashes on Earth, everyone wakes up 4 million years later&amp;quot; backstory, and no amount of Owning The Bayverse (which I can&#039;t help but feel some of the desire to split One off is fueled by) is worth opening that can of worms. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 12:31, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Voting &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, y&#039;all gotta stop taking Lorenzo&#039;s word as gospel especially over the actual creatives behind these movies. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 14:25, 17 September 2024 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
:Voting &#039;&#039;&#039;Option 3&#039;&#039;&#039;, Lorenzo has made multiple contradictory statements in the past, some having been outright proven wrong. He doesn&#039;t seem like he&#039;s involved enough in the productions in order to make concrete statements about their continuity, nor is he a representative of Hasbro. [[User:TheDarkMage10218|TheDarkMage10218]] ([[User talk:TheDarkMage10218|talk]]) 19:30, 17 September 2024 (CST)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&amp;quot;Pure, strong, and fast&amp;quot;, &#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&#039;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;s sense of right and wrong is so overdeveloped his fellow Maximals wonder if his programming has a glitch. He speaks in lofty platitudes of chivalry, nobility, and idealized heroism; his speeches make even [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] roll his optics. His conviction is both his strength and his weakness. He sees the world in black and white—and not just because his [[beast mode]] is partly canine. The only gray area for Silverbolt is [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]. His fierce love for the &amp;quot;evil&amp;quot; [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] causes him to question his preconceived notions of right and wrong. He was very proud of his ability to convert Blackarachnia to the Maximals, and, though most of the Maximals are skeptical of her loyalty to the cause and to him, he has nothing but faith in her.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{bigquote|Though threatening your own comrade is no doubt business as usual in the Predacon guide to villainy... it is simply unacceptable behavior in &#039;&#039;my&#039;&#039; book!|Silverbolt|&amp;quot;[[Bad Spark]]&amp;quot;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; cartoon====&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese)|[[Yu Zhenbo]] (Chinese), [[Bruno Rocha]] (Portuguese), [[Marco Pagani]] (Italian), [[Pierre Forest]] (French), [[César Soto]] (Latin American Spanish)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Coming of the Fuzors 1 Megatron fuzors.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|The more you know! &#039;&#039;(da da da daaaaa)&#039;&#039;]]&lt;br /&gt;
The explosion caused by the destruction of the [[Vok]] [[Planet Buster]] sent all [[stasis pod]]s crashing to Earth. Some pods&#039; scanners were damaged in the shock wave and eventual crash-landing, resulting in the Fuzors, a blend of two beast forms and the advanced Transmetal technology. One of these Fuzors was the winged wolf Silverbolt, while his neighbor was the violent, psychotic cobra-scorpion [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]], who immediately picked a fight with the peaceful Silverbolt upon their activation. The fight was interrupted by [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], who tricked both Fuzors and recruited them into the Predacons. Silverbolt felt the faction&#039;s activation code and Megatron&#039;s orders to attack the passing [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] to be distasteful (seeing how the cat had not attacked them), earning furious punishment from the Predacon leader. Soon, he and the other Predacons faced the remaining Maximals in battle. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] were sent on to attack the &#039;&#039;[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]&#039;&#039; directly, only for Silverbolt to be shot down by the ship&#039;s auto-guns. To his surprise, the Maximals took him back to their base for repairs, rather than finish him off. This act of compassion and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]&#039;s own admission of defection led him to make an important decision and he joined the Maximals, saving the newly reborn [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] from Megatron. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Tangled Web Silverbolt.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Brave, strong, fast ... and never without utensils.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Soon afterwards, while on patrol with the much more laid-back [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] (who spent a lot of the time pointedly ignoring Silverbolt&#039;s lines of honor and virtue), Silverbolt encountered the alluring Blackarachnia when [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] and Quickstrike were attempting to set up a forward base. She was somewhat surprised by his complete refusal to strike her simply because she was a female and used it to her advantage to attack him. However, the Maximal had no such compunction against fighting the coarse Quickstrike. {{storylink|Tangled Web}}&lt;br /&gt;
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During another mission, Silverbolt was shot down by Waspinator, who was prevented from taking the Maximal away by Rattrap. Silverbolt was able to return to base to fetch Optimus, and the pair were in time to prevent Dinobot, who had attempted to defect back to the Predacons, from being slagged by Megatron. {{storylink|Maximal, No More}} Silverbolt and Optimus arrived at an alien site unfortunately much too late to prevent [[Tigatron]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] from being abducted. They returned to the alien site later, and were blasted by an [[Metal Hunter|alien construct]] which appeared there. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 1)}} Silverbolt and Cheetor, recovering quickly from the blast by virtue of their [[Transmetal]] properties, returned to the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; carrying [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and Dinobot. They would later take part in a diversionary assault on the Metal Hunter in order to allow Rattrap and Tarantulas to slip inside and rescue Primal. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BadSpark battle-damaged Silverbolt.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|Blackarachnia likes it rough.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The discovery of a stasis pod containing [[Rampage (BW)|Protoform X]] led Silverbolt to once again encounter the dark temptress Blackarachnia, who was less than amused that he refused to fight her. After an energon explosion blasted them both across the jungle, damaging Silverbolt&#039;s wings, they were forced to journey together by foot. Silverbolt saved Blackarachnia from a [[saber-toothed cat|saber-toothed tiger]], and she in turn saved him from a nasty fall, however he was unable to get her admit there was any sort of Maximal goodness lurking within her. They soon encountered Protoform X, and Blackarachnia helped the Maximals defeat it, but was knocked off the cliff. Silverbolt once again came to her rescue, despite her protests that she didn&#039;t need help. {{storylink|Bad Spark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Though not having known Dinobot for long, Silverbolt took part in his funeral. {{storylink|Code of Hero}} While searching for a Predacon jamming tower, Silverbolt protected a stasis pod from [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]]. The pod contained a strange mutated Transformer which would later be dubbed [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]]. Silverbolt appealed to Transmutate that the Maximals offered it friendship, however Transmutate fell in with the Predacons, swayed by Rampage. Transmutate led Silverbolt into a trap, allowing Rampage and Inferno to damage the Fuzor, but joined the Maximals following a rescue mounted by Optimus. Though the other Maximals wanted to put Transmutate into stasis lock, Silverbolt argued strongly against it. After Transmutate was accidentally destroyed by Rampage and Silverbolt who were fighting over the creature, Silverbolt was anguished, and told the other Maximals to leave Rampage to mourn. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Agenda 2 Silverbolt Optimus.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Silverbolt&#039;s in the dog house.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt found himself reluctantly sneaking off to meet with Blackarachnia, providing her with a [[graviton generator]] for the hoversled she was building. Despite his secrecy, the other Maximals seemed all aware of what he was up to, with Rattrap insinuating all sorts of activities. The Maximals were joined by a Predacon secret agent, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], who invited them to help him capture Megatron. During their attack on the &#039;&#039;Darksyde&#039;&#039;, Silverbolt again refused to attack Blackarachnia, allowing her to leave the field of battle, much to Primal&#039;s annoyance. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Agenda3-remindsmeofyou.jpg|left|thumb|300px|&amp;quot;See that star?  I bought it for $300 on the Internet.  Totally legitimate!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Though Cheetor was assigned the task of bringing Blackarachnia in, Silverbolt rendered his fellow Maximal unconscious, himself going to find Blackarachnia. Locating her in pursuit of Waspinator, he pleaded with her to join the Maximals, and refused to leave until she did, even after she shot him in the thigh. While they were distracted, the hoversled hit Waspinator, forcing Silverbolt to once again save a disgusted Blackarachnia. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}} He subsequently aided her in digging into the side of a [[Mount St. Hilary|mountain]], to discover within the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. When Megatron arrived, Silverbolt was the playing card to convince Blackarachnia to open the doors to the Ark and allow him inside. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:BWSilverbolt Blackarachnia OptimalSituation.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Damn you, [[Salazar]]! DAMN YOU, SALAZAAAARRR!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Soon after, when [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] was injured enough to cause a time storm, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt used the Ark&#039;s systems to start repairs on the [[Prime (rank)|Autobot leader]]. Silverbolt helped his fellow Maximals defend the Ark against Megatron and, a short time later, stumbled on Blackarachnia who had been shot by the Predacon leader during his escape. Silverbolt cradled Blackarachnia in his arms, delivering a long melodramatic speech and howling when she went offline... only for the others to point out that she was just in [[stasis lock]] and would be fine once she got some repairs. With the loss of the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;, the Maximals moved in to the cavern housing the Ark. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}}&lt;br /&gt;
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He and Blackarachnia would hang out on sentry duty together. {{storylink|Deep Metal}} Sent on another mission, Silverbolt delivered Rattrap in a [[subaquatic stealth vessel]] to salvage [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] from the remains of the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;. Though Rattrap retrieved the module, the pair ran into trouble in the form of the Predacons, and were ultimately prevented from getting away clean when they literally ran into [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]]. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Cheetor seemed to be developing a crush on Blackarachnia, Silverbolt made no secret of his jealously, especially when the pair were assigned a mission together without him. Cheetor and Blackarachnia quickly got into danger, attacked by Tarantulas and some [[cyber raptor]]s, and naturally Silverbolt was first to come to their aid. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}} Cheetor would later go missing after a dangerous mission with Depth Charge. Though he joined in the search, Silverbolt was jealous at Blackarachnia&#039;s apparent concern for their comrade. Confronted by a feral beast, Silverbolt and Rattrap were surprised to be told by Primal that it was Cheetor, upgraded into a [[Transmetal 2]] form by Megatron&#039;s [[transmetal driver]]. {{storylink|Feral Scream Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals investigated the possibility of removing Blackarachnia&#039;s Predacon shell program, causing her to flee into the woods. Silverbolt convinced Rattrap not to tell the others, so he could find her personally, only to get in the middle of a fight between Blackarachnia and [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]]. Though he and Blackarachnia managed to defeat Dinobot, she was still determined to leave the Maximals, until they revealed that the decision to go through with the procedure to remove her shell program was up to her. {{storylink|Proving Grounds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CrossingtheRubicon Silverbolt and Blackarachnia in profile.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|There&#039;s a new boy in the neighborhood / I&#039;d like to meet him if I could]]&lt;br /&gt;
Silverbolt interrupted Blackarachnia during an experiment she was attempting to undergo in order to convert herself into a Transmetal 2. The failure of the experiment caused her shell program to degrade, leading the Maximals to attempt the tricky procedure of removing it. Disruption caused by the Predacons caused Blackarachnia&#039;s death, and an enraged Silverbolt set out to dismantle Tarantulas in retaliation. Though he swiftly defeated Tarantulas, Silverbolt was brought down by Rampage, who was about to finish off the Maximal when a revived and upgraded Blackarachnia arrived to rescue her boyfriend. Silverbolt was overjoyed at her recovery. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:MasterBlaster Silverbolt tongue out.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.3|thumb|Space Invaders is serious business!]]&lt;br /&gt;
When Waspinator mounted a solo attack on the Ark, Silverbolt was his only casualty. The attack was simply a diversion to allow Tarantulas to deliver a device to put Quickstrike in control of Optimus Primal. The other Maximals ended up locked in a cage, bar Blackarachnia, who was able to rescue them so that they could help fight off Megatron, who had upgraded himself by stealing the spark of the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the destruction of the Predacon base, Silverbolt and Depth Charge searched for the Predacons by air. They found their foe, however Depth Charge set off a boobytrap, which damaged Silverbolt. Despite his protests that it was merely a scratch, the fact that his head fell off severely undermined his argument, and Silverbolt found himself being escorted back to base for repairs. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} He was repaired in time to help the other Maximals attempt to get the Ark moving before Megatron arrived with the newly discovered &#039;&#039;[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]&#039;&#039;. Though they failed, Megatron was still defeated, and the Maximals set course for [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the Autobot shuttle they&#039;d found. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{voiceactor|[[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese)|[[Fang Shuqiao]] (Chinese), [[Marcus Jardym]] (Portuguese), [[Massimo Bitossi]] (Italian), [[Helmut Gauß]] (German), [[Daniel Lema]] (Castilian Spanish), [[David Manet]] (French)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:RevelationsDescent-Silverboltvirus.jpg|left|thumb|but i... finally got... shadows...]]&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Autobot shuttle arrived in Cybertron&#039;s orbit, it was attacked by shots from from the surface.  Once it crash-landed, Silverbolt fled with the other Maximals while being chased by tank drones.  However, he and [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] were among the last to be hit with canisters of [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]&#039;s [[transformation virus]]. {{storylink|Revelations Part II: Descent|Descent}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Maximals found themselves back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] running for their lives from armies of [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon drones]], their memories of their past had been tampered with. Even [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] could not remember Silverbolt fully until she hacked into the memory backup on their ship. {{storylink|Fires of the Past}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltjetstorm.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Sadly, this was the coolest Silverbolt would get in &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;...]]&lt;br /&gt;
Blackarachnia began to suspect that Silverbolt&#039;s [[spark]] might be inside one of the [[Vehicon general]]s. At first, she erroneously thought it was within [[Thrust (BM)|Thrust]], but after a mishap with some technorganic goop, Silverbolt&#039;s spark was proven to be inside [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]] (and Thrust turned out to be [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], whose amorous advances were tragically spurned by the arachnid chick). For a precious few moments, Silverbolt&#039;s consciousness was completely awoken within Jetstorm&#039;s body, reverting him to his old personality, until the goop was absorbed completely and Jetstorm&#039;s [[shell program]] reasserted itself. {{storylink|The Catalyst}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Obsessed with bringing Silverbolt back, she hounded Jetstorm, demanding he remember their shared love and return to the Maximals. Needless to say, Jetstorm was vexed by this. When [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] created a gizmo that would help them transfer the stolen Transformer sparks into new bodies, Blackarachnia stole it. Leading Jetstorm into the planet&#039;s organic core, she attached the gizmo to his back and trapped the Vehicon in a pool of the technorganic goop with her webs. After much screaming, reformatting, and brilliant light, Silverbolt was reborn as a condor, having scanned skeletal remains inside the cavern in the process. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltbm.jpg|left|upright=1.15|thumb|...for he later became... Purplebolt! The World&#039;s Deadliest Peacock!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Counter to Blackarachnia&#039;s expectations, Silverbolt was not pleased. Gone was the Maximal who exemplified honor and chivalry, replaced with one who desired only retribution and vengeance. &amp;quot;I was a fool back then&amp;quot;, he once said. &amp;quot;I &#039;&#039;believed&#039;&#039; in things&amp;quot;. Distraught, Blackarachnia managed to convince him to come along with her to help rescue [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from inside [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]]&#039;s [[Grand Mal|Big Floating Head]], but Silverbolt did not accompany her for their friends, as he was not interested in them. He went to confront Megatron.&lt;br /&gt;
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Megatron, seeing that his General had been reformatted into a Maximal, tried to seduce Silverbolt back to his side. Silverbolt was told he was a creature of honor who fought for just causes, and that Megatron gave Silverbolt not only a just cause (the technological purity of Cybertron), but also the power and strength to fight for that cause. Blackarachnia countered at every point, pleading with Silverbolt to remember their love and friendship. Silverbolt ignored her, bitterly retorting that Megatron had given him &#039;&#039;nothing&#039;&#039;. With nearly insane fury, he let loose a volley of feather bombs, disrupting Megatron from within. Cheetor and Primal were rescued, and Silverbolt was dragged away from the battle. &lt;br /&gt;
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Slightly calmed, Silverbolt was later approached by Blackarachnia. He confided in her the real reason for his anger: it was not what Megatron had done to him, but that he&#039;d been freed from his code of honor and &#039;&#039;enjoyed&#039;&#039; the experience. He did not trust himself any longer. This did not deter Blackarachnia. She believed, no matter what, that Silverbolt had goodness in his heart. {{storylink|In Darkest Knight}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Wolf in the Fold Silverbolt infected.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Who goosed the goose?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Silverbolt&#039;s return to the Maximals was not without its hiccups, however. When he formally returned to the group, Megatron used giant mechanical drill-tentacles to damage the city and get the Maximals&#039; attention... as well as activate a new strain of the ancient [[Hate Plague]] virus hidden in Silverbolt. After infecting everyone and nearly scrapping each other, they managed to cure themselves. Silverbolt was bummed about being used, but Optimus gave him a pat on the shoulder and said &amp;quot;Hakuna matata&amp;quot;. Or words to that effect. {{storylink|A Wolf in the Fold}} &lt;br /&gt;
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When a spaceship was shot down and crashed into the city, Silverbolt was teamed with [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] to reach it from the air, and he had to endure the young Maximal&#039;s harsh words and attitude, brought on by the Hate Plague incident. Silverbolt fought against the [[Botanica (BM)|crazed space plant]] on the shuttle, then against a horde of Tank Drones in their underground base, and his actions finally allowed Nightscream to warm up to him. {{storylink|Home Soil}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sparkwar2 Silverbolt beast mode.jpg|left|upright=1.34|thumb|&amp;quot;You are all &#039;&#039;weirdos!&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
After a battle against Thrust and his cycle drones, Silverbolt chewed Blackarachnia out for losing focus during the battle. Nightscream later approached Silverbolt to tell him not to be such a jerk to Blackarachnia, but Silverbolt wasn&#039;t interested in listening and flew off, pursued by the younger Maximal. The pair soon encountered trouble in the form of two new Vehicon generals, [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] and [[Strika (BM)|Strika]]. Though they were joined by the other Maximals, the Vehicon generals out-thought them at every turn, and they were only saved when Botanica intervened. Still, Silverbolt didn&#039;t fancy their chances against the new generals. {{Storylink|Sparkwar Pt. I: The Strike|The Strike}}&lt;br /&gt;
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During the search for the missing sparks, Silverbolt was teamed with Cheetor and Blackarachnia. Though he wasn&#039;t keen on taking orders from Cheetor, whom he regarded as a kid, despite Blackarachnia asserting that Cheetor had grown up a lot since the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]]. Eventually Cheetor was able to prove himself sufficiently to earn Silverbolt&#039;s respect. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}} With the discovery that the missing sparks were aboard the Grand Mal, Cheetor, Nightscream and Silverbolt set about keeping the Vehicons busy while Optimus and the others sneaked on board. They were too late to prevent the beginning of Megatron&#039;s spark-fueled ascension, though it was ultimately halted by Nightscream. Silverbolt joined the other Maximals in mourning the loss of Nightscream&#039;s friend [[Noble (BM)|Noble]].{{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. III: The Siege|The Siege}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverboltblackarachniaseedsofthefuture.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Now that we&#039;ve won, we can bang like everyday ordinary really ugly people.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Despite Megatron&#039;s apparent demise, Silverbolt was reluctant to renew relations with Blackarachnia. The pair&#039;s discussion was interrupted by an attack by a [[zombie]] animated by a strange red spark. The Maximals hunted the spark through the streets of [[Cybertropolis]], only for it to turn out to be Megatron after Rattrap forced it into the body of a [[Diagnostic Drone]]. {{storylink|Spark of Darkness}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Maximals struggled to protect the Grand Mal and the sparks it contained, Silverbolt, Blackarachnia and Nightscream were sent out to wreak havoc in the ranks of the Vehicons in an attempt to distract them. The Vehicons eventually overcame the Grand Mal&#039;s shields. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. I: The Downward Spiral|The Downward Spiral}} The Maximals received a power up from the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] and were able to hold their own against the Vehicons, until Megatron cut off their power boost. Silverbolt was taken out by Thrust, and Blackarachnia by Obsidian. Their sparks were subsequently torn out by cycle drones. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|When Legends Fall}} Though unable to aid physically, the Maximals gave Optimus Primal moral support during his duel with Megatron. Following the [[Great Transformation]], the Maximals&#039; sparks were returned to their bodies. Silverbolt&#039;s old personality reemerged—only for him to ruin the moment by saying the corniest line he could think of. And more power to him. {{storylink|Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Seeds of the Future}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt and Rattrap came upon [[Packrat]] and [[Onyx Primal]] battling the Predacons [[Vice Grip]] and [[Fractyl]]. Although Silverbolt was gung-ho as always when it came to rescue fellow Maximals, Rattrap didn&#039;t want to bother, them being &amp;quot;repaints&amp;quot; and all. Silverbolt disregarded Rattrap&#039;s commentary and charged right in. Apparently, their phenomenal entrance took out half the landscape. It must have really been something to see. After the Predacons had been driven away, the Maximals were attacked by a [[Antagony (BW)|mysterious shadowy figure]]. Thankfully, Optimus Primal soon came around to help out with the situation. {{storylink|Visitations}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Later, Silverbolt and the other Maximals set out to investigate a temporal anomaly detected by Rhinox. They encountered the Predacons en route. The two factions were locked in a firefight, though the advantage lay with the Predacons. After Megatron took off to reach the time-traveller that both teams had previously detected, Optimus was forced to pursue him, leaving his troops against insurmountable odds. The Predacons eventually began to push the Maximals back towards a cliffside. Then, suddenly, Predacon fire ceased entirely. The situation had not become any safer however, the Maximals now had to contend with [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]], the aforementioned time-traveler, possessed by Unicron&#039;s dark essence. Though Windrazor was able to expunge Unicron from his systems, the much more powerful Shokaract appeared immediately aftwerwards... {{storylink|Paradox}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after the [[Great Transformation]] of Cybertron, the [[Quintesson]]s invaded in full force, hoping the recent ecological and biological upheaval would tip the balance in their favor. Silverbolt and [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] led a counterforce in [[Cybertropolis]], where they had little trouble against the [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] armies. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blackarachniaabduction.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Y&#039;know, his life would have been way easier if he&#039;d just settled down with Airazor instead.]]&lt;br /&gt;
One year later, five great Autobot heroes ([[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], [[Shadow Striker (Universe)|Shadow Striker]], and [[Roulette (Universe)|Roulette]]) returned home to a peaceful planet. Amidst a media blitz and celebration, Silverbolt, Blackarachnia, [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]], and [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] were among the Maximals to greet them.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, what appeared to be celebratory fireworks struck Silverbolt and Blackarachnia and also the five Autobots. They were transported to the fiery [[Pit (Universe)|Pit]] deep within [[Unicron]], where all but Trailbreaker were rebuilt painfully into new bodies. Silverbolt was piece-by-piece reassembled into a version of his original [[Fuzor]] form. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Silverbolt tfu.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Angsty Redux]]&lt;br /&gt;
Seeing an arena up ahead, the seven moved towards it, only to be attacked by a swarm of [[Cauldron drone|shape-shifting, lava-like creatures]]. Though they fought, they were overwhelmed and taken into a nearby arena, the [[Cauldron]], where they were caged along with a multitude of Transformers kidnapped from across the multiverse. Silverbolt believed he recognized some of their jailers, such as variant versions of [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]] and [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]], but the being he thought was [[Tigerhawk]] wanted Silverbolt to know that he was, in fact, [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]]! The three (and [[Reptilion]]) were from different universes, and they oversaw the battles that took place within the Cauldron. Here, Silverbolt would fight and die, his extinguished spark meant to feed the damaged Chaos Bringer. {{storylink|Abduction}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As Sunstreaker and Sideswipe battled, Silverbolt noticed another intruder within the Cauldron - Optimus Primal! Could it be? Silverbolt and Trailbreaker used this distraction to hatch an escape plan. Since their cells were tuned to [[Bio-mechanical aura|their bodies]], the two [[Primary system program transfer|swapped personality data]], allowing them to leave their cages. Freeing the others, they and Optimus Primal rushed the guards and headed back outside of the arena. Optimus Primal and [[Snarl (BM)|Snarl]] opened a portal back home to Cybertron, which would have made a happy ending for Silverbolt, but instead Blackarachnia and Shadow Striker betrayed them. Corrupted by the [[Unicron virus]] that persisted within their bodies since their experience within the Pit, Shadow Striker and Silverbolt&#039;s beloved had finally succumbed to its demands. Blackarachnia bid a final goodbye to Silverbolt and pushed him through the portal to safety. Once Silverbolt arrived back home, he quietly vowed to bring Blackarachnia back into the light. {{storylink|Escape (Universe)|Escape}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Optimusprimaluniverseend.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Okay, is it my turn to be evil again next?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Silverbolt joined several other of the escapees at the [[Oasis Research and Development Facility]], where a stranded alternate universe [[Ratchet (Universe)|Ratchet]] attempted to remove the virus from Sideswipe&#039;s new form with no success. He and Cheetor wondered aloud whether they could truly trust this resurrected Primal. Silverbolt noted that they&#039;d all seen how the virus had corrupted Blackarachnia, and the same could have happened to their former leader. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}&lt;br /&gt;
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During the war, Rhinox built a device to counteract Unicron&#039;s attempts to abduct Transformers from across the multiverse. Two such attempts were only partially successful, sending the would-be abductees to a barren, icy planetoid. This necessitated the deployment of a rescue team consisting of Rattrap, Silverbolt, and Waspinator but also prompted Unicron to deploy a team of Minions to the planetoid. Working with the victims of Unicron&#039;s abduction attempt as well as the crew of an Autobot freighter accidentally pulled in from the past by Rhinox&#039;s device, the rescue team successfully fended off the Minions and sent everyone back to their proper realities and eras. {{storylink|Voice Actor Drama}}&lt;br /&gt;
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This conflict with Unicron went on for an unspecified amount of time, until one last desperate raiding party on the Chaos Bringer, which included Primal, Silverbolt, and many others. As they fought the armies of Unicron, suddenly, without warning, Unicron began to [[Unicron Singularity|dissolve]] beneath them. The Universe War finally resolved, Silverbolt carried away a presumably redeemed Blackarachnia with him towards a portal leading home. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Razorclaw continuity====&lt;br /&gt;
In one splinter timeline of [[Primax 496.22 Alpha]], minor atmospheric fluctuations caused Silverbolt&#039;s stasis pod to crash on the far side of Earth from the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039;. With the absence of Silverbolt&#039;s intervention, Megatron killed the Maximals who opposed him. Silverbolt&#039;s stasis pod was presumably destroyed later when his reality was consumed by the [[timestorm]] caused by Megatron&#039;s machinations. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/07}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Dreamwave &#039;&#039;Generation One&#039;&#039; continuity====&lt;br /&gt;
On the way back to Cybertron after the end of the Beast Wars, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt dozed off to sleep while cuddling each other. {{storylink|Ain&#039;t No Rat}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They awoke, affected by a Transwarp agitator planted on the shuttle by a new team of Predacons hiding on Earth. This device caused Silverbolt and the other Maximals aboard to act aggressively towards one-another, and they tried to force Rattrap into the ship&#039;s C.R. Chamber due to its influence. Rattrap resisted, managed to get away, and deactivated the ship&#039;s Transwarp drive. Though this restored the Maximals to their senses, it also returned them to prehistoric Earth. {{storylink|Shell Game issue 1|Shell Game #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Not long after Megatron combined his spark with that of the original Megatron, he had Quickstrike plant a device in the Maximal base. The device magnified the Maximals&#039; aggression, and Silverbolt was soon trying to stop Rhinox from mangling Blackarachnia. After Optimus intervened, Silverbolt attacked him and was thrown aside, as Primal too succumbed to the device&#039;s effects. Luckily the Maximal leader was able to use his recent experiences to overcome the device and free the other Maximals, and they then chased Megatron off. {{storylink|A Meeting of Minds}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Blackarachnia was trying to persuade Silverbolt that it was all right for them to resume their romance after Megatron&#039;s apparent death, when they were attacked by a strange zombie-like creature. Silverbolt assumed the creature was a Maximal with its spark restored, and tried to reassure it that it was safe, only to be blasted by it. {{storylink|Singularity Ablyss}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====2006 IDW &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; continuity====&lt;br /&gt;
As [[Magmatron]] surveyed the timestream, he witnessed several key moments taking place during the Beast Wars. Among those moments was Silverbolt and Quickstrike&#039;s initial recruitment into the Predacon ranks. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1|The Gathering #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====&#039;&#039;Wings Universe&#039;&#039;====&lt;br /&gt;
Following the Great Transformation of Cybertron, Silverbolt and his friends stood guard over Cheetor as their leader attempted to commune with the Oracle. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag|Alpha Trizer&#039;s profile}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Waspscream continuity====&lt;br /&gt;
In [[Primax 208.06 Zeta]], the machinations of the [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] from [[Primax 206.15 Gamma]] resulted in Silverbolt awakening in a scenario where the Maximals were losing to the Predacons. Realizing that he had little in common with either side, Silverbolt struck out on his own, but after the hybrid [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspscream]] seized control of the Predacons, he had Silverbolt captured in order to tie up loose ends. However, on the return trip to Cybertron, Megatron escaped and conquered the planet with a transformation virus, converting the populace&#039;s bodies into Vehicons. Upon the arrival of Waspscream&#039;s crew, Silverbolt, [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]], and [[Inferno (BW)|Inferno]] were captured and converted into Vehicon generals, Silverbolt becoming [[Jetstorm (BM)|Jetstorm]]. Waspscream&#039;s Predacons later liberated Silverbolt from his Vehicon slavery, but he and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] later died screaming at the command of brutal Vehicon general [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/16}} During the [[Universe War]], this Obsidian would remark on this event to the Silverbolt of [[Primax 797.18 Epsilon]]. {{storylink|Abduction}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Ask Vector Prime====&lt;br /&gt;
As a result of spacetime shockwaves caused by [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]] in [[G1 World|Primax 785.06 Alpha]], a quantum duplicate of the Autobot shuttle carrying the victorious Maximals home from the end of the Beast Wars in [[Primax 496.22 Alpha]] was spawned. The shuttle was shunted to [[BT World|Primax 903.0 Beta]], where [[Unicron]] destroyed it, scattering its crew into [[unspace|transwarp space]]. The Alternity shepherded the &amp;quot;shipwrecked&amp;quot; Primal, Rhinox, Rattrap, and Silverbolt to [[Viron 102.0 Beta]] in order to fight the similarly displaced Megatron, who schemed to take over this reality&#039;s Cybertron by capturing the populace&#039;s sparks and converting their bodies into Vehicons. Guided by the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], Primal&#039;s forces fought the long and arduous &amp;quot;[[Allspark Battles]]&amp;quot;, eventually triumphing over Megatron&#039;s Vehicon hordes. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====&#039;&#039;Legends&#039;&#039; comic====&lt;br /&gt;
Following the [[Great Transformation]], Silverbolt and the other surviving Maximals listened to Cheetor explain that Rhinox&#039;s spark was not gone for good, but lost in [[Legends World|another universe]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Rattrap)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} After [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] were sent to retrieve their comrade, Silverbolt was elated to see the two return with Rhinox accompanying. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Rhinox)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====A Change to the Agenda====&lt;br /&gt;
After [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] attacked [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and was thrown out of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] when [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] activated the ship&#039;s defense systems, Silverbolt and the other Maximals attempted to heal the wounded Autobot. However, Megatron was not thrown far enough and the Predacon managed to reenter the Ark and blast the Autobot leader, decisively erasing the Maximals from the timeline. {{storylink|A Change to the Agenda}} In [[Primax 209.0 Gamma|the wildly different timeline]] that followed, Silverbolt&#039;s life would take [[#Beast Wars: Uprising|a very different track]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Metals&#039;&#039; manga===&lt;br /&gt;
Following the [[Quantum surge]], Silverbolt was upgraded into a [[Transmetal]] and left stranded somewhere on [[Earth|Energoa]], far away from the other [[Maximal]]s and presumed dead by [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. After [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] was reborn, Silverbolt could be seen staring poetically at the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]] from somewhere on the planet. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 1|Beast Wars Metals #1}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Following the defeat of Megatron, Silverbolt was collected by [[Tigerhawk]] and reunited with his crew. He also encountered Blackarachnia and the two hit it off immediately. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 6|Beast Wars Metals #6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; CD-ROM===&lt;br /&gt;
The Autobot Silverbolt followed Optimus Primal in fighting against [[Reptilion|Reptillion]] and his Decepticon forces. He engaged [[Razorclaw (Universe)|Razorclaw]] in combat, but was probably defeated by him as the latter moved on to fight [[Striker]]. After the Decepticons were abducted by [[Acheron|a mysterious ship]], Silverbolt asked his leader just what the heck that thing was. {{storylink|Transformers: Universe CD-ROM|Universe CD-ROM}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Legends&#039;&#039; anthology (2)===&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]&#039;&#039; crashed in [[Mexico]] sometime around 1,000 BCE, and the Maximals and Predacons fought many battles across the land. After Tarantulas and Waspinator enslaved a local [[Natiltec|tribe of humans]], one of the young warriors escaped and encountered Silverbolt. Detecting the energon dust on the human&#039;s hands, Silverbolt tracked it back to a cave inside which he found the two Predacons. He swiftly dispatched Tarantulas, but was still struggling with Waspinator when the cave collapsed, and he was later forced to dig his way out. The Natiltec, who had been able to escape during the battle, dubbed Silverbolt &amp;quot;Fire-in-the-Dark&amp;quot;, and inscribed the story of his great battle into a cave wall. The inscriptions were found and translated some three thousand years later by an archaeological team of [[human]]s and [[Mini-Con]]s. {{storylink|Fire in the Dark}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Uprising&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
As one of the Maximals forced to continue the war which the Autobots were no longer able to fight, Silverbolt was part of a small team under the command of [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] that went up against the [[Darksyder]]s. He and Rhinox were both killed early in the conflict, spurring the others to rebel against Primal and the status quo. {{storylink|Alone Together: Prologue|Prologue}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Metals Silverbolt===&lt;br /&gt;
====Train Wars====&lt;br /&gt;
When [[the Fallen]] attacked [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in the hopes of merging with [[Vector Sigma]], [[Overdrive]] sought additional help using the power of his [[Quantum Dial]]. Further empowering the dial with the help of the Oracle, Overdrive reached across space and time to recruit inter-dimensional warriors, including a [[Transmetal]] version of Silverbolt. {{storylink|Train Wars}} The Fallen assumed a combination form, however, and managed to impale Silverbolt and the reinforcements using energy spikes. [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], the [[Trainbot]]s, the [[Train Team]], and the [[Liner Team]] soon arrived to turn the tide, and the Fallen was ultimately defeated. In the aftermath, Silverbolt was returned home by the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]]. {{storylink|Train Wars 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====&#039;&#039;Legends&#039;&#039; comic====&lt;br /&gt;
[[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]] cheered on the Fallen in the battle against Silverbolt and the heroic opposition. {{storylink|The Road to Legends&#039; Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One|LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Legends World===&lt;br /&gt;
An excitable teenaged part-timer at [[Axalon Trading Company]] and fan of the [[live-action film series|live-action &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; movies]], Silverbolt tried to talk about them with [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] after hearing that he liked Transformers too, only to learn Rattrap was exclusively a fan of &#039;&#039;[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]&#039;&#039;. Though Rattrap provided him with a &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; toy to show what he was talking about, Silverbolt failed to see what was so great about it. To prove the lasting popularity of the franchise, Rattrap then dragged Silverbolt by the ear to a toy store and showed him how many times the toys had been remade and rereleased. {{storylink|The Youth Gap}} Together with Rattrap, [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] and [[Tigatron]], Silverbolt visited the [[Transformers Celebration 2014]] event, where he enjoyed listening to a message from [[Tesshō Genda]] and had his picture taken on a [[Grimlock (AOE)|Grimlock]] statue (though poor lighting conditions messed up the photo). {{storylink|Legends Bonus Vol.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After the event, Silverbolt, Rattrap and Rhinox looked over the toys they&#039;d bought, with Silverbolt showing off his [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#AOELeader|Leader class Optimus Prime]]. He thought it was really cool, and was annoyed when the other two made fun of its &amp;quot;[[kibble|backpack]]&amp;quot;. He in turn annoyed Rhinox by transforming his [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#EvasionMode|Classic Optimus Prime]] into robot mode when the G1-loving rhino &#039;&#039;really&#039;&#039; preferred keeping it in vehicle mode. All three of them then made food comparisons to the weapons wielded by Rattrap&#039;s [[Dinobot (AOE)|Dinobot]] toys until they all got really hungry. {{storylink|TF4 Toy Party}} The same group later visited [[Tokyo Toy Show]] 2014, where they were left discouraged after running into [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] who thought they were all too old to be at a toy event. They recovered upon seeing &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]&#039;&#039; [[Star Saber (G1)#Masterpiece|Star Saber]], a toy aimed at adult fans that even Silverbolt thought looked cool. He went on to react to Rattrap&#039;s actions, being surprised by how much he liked &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]&#039;&#039; and commenting that he didn&#039;t have to force a joke after seeing a heartwarming scene of Primal playing with his son. {{storylink|Tokyo Toy Show 2014 Report}}&lt;br /&gt;
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At work, Silverbolt and Rattrap had to endure [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]&#039;s constant praise of the 80s, an era neither of them were interested in. Their interest &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; briefly piqued by Rhinox&#039;s claim that Japan had no consumption tax back then, but Silverbolt looked it up and found the statement to be false, the tax having been instanted in 1989. {{storylink|Legends Vol. 9#The Era Gap|The Era Gap}} He and Rattrap later tried to figure out the mystery of [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] and [[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]]&#039;s genders by following them to the restroom, only to find their company had no male restrooms. {{storylink|Legends Vol. 9#The Bathroom Gap|The Bathroom Gap}} One time when President Primal left for business, he warned his employees not to touch his [[banana]]s. They immediately hosted a banana party and ate them by the dozens, which got very embarrassing when Primal immediately returned. {{storylink|Legends Vol. 10#Even Though I Told You Not To...|Even Though I Told You Not To...}} Silverbolt was present at the office when Rattrap showed up in a realistic Transformer body, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 1|Bonus Edition Vol. 1}} and later had his smartphone transformed into an unwieldy 80s mobile phone by Rhinox-turned-[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]&#039;s 80s Transformation Beam. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 3|Bonus Edition Vol. 3}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt celebrated [[Christmas]] by having cake at a karaoke place with some of his co-workers. {{storylink|Merry X&#039;mas!!}} Together with Rattrap and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], he met [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]] on the streets of Tokyo after he&#039;d been blasted into [[Legends World|their dimension]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 6|Bonus Edition Vol. 6}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When Rhinox was turned into Tankor one day, Silverbolt and Waspinator similarly woke up in the bodies of Jetstorm and Thrust, respectively. Seeing a kinship between them, Tankor asked the two if they&#039;d join him in turning the world into a paradise of [[The Transformers (franchise)|original &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039;]], but the young Jetstorm disagreed, since in his eyes &amp;quot;Transformers&amp;quot; equaled &amp;quot;[[Michael Bay]]&amp;quot;. The pair&#039;s refusal angered Tankor, and a battle broke out between the three Vehicons. {{storylink|Legends Vol. 17#I&#039;m Tankor, dana!|I&#039;m Tankor, dana!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As Silverbolt again, he attended Tokyo Toy Show 2015, where he witnessed [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]] cause trouble. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Scourge)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} After their office building was smushed by [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], Silverbolt and the other Axalon employees relocated to his city mode. {{storylink|LG14 Ultra Magnus Prologue#The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter|The Mysterious Knowledgeable Grandpa Chapter}} They were later menaced by [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Megatron]], who sought to take all their toys for himself. {{storylink|LG-18 Armada Starscream Super Mode Prologue}} Following Megatron&#039;s defeat, Silverbolt was among the greedy collectors attempting to claim his abandoned, valuable [[Unicron of Light]] toy for themselves. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 18|Bonus Edition Vol. 18}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Like all the non-hardcore Transformers fans, Silverbolt didn&#039;t recognize [[Drift (G1)|Deadlock]] when he arrived from [[Cloud World]], and had learn more about it from Waspinator. The group of fans was then sent to Cloud World themselves when [[SARA]] went out of control, but were swiftly returned. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Deadlock)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} While visiting the TransformersFes 2016 event, Silverbolt met the Rattrap of [[Primax 1097.01 Alpha|another universe]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Rattrap)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} He and his friends later got in [[Skids (G1)|Skids]]&#039;s way to try and stop him from capturing all the interdimensional visitors to the Legends world. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 20|Bonus Edition Vol. 20}} Silverbolt was hired to play [[Tow-Line (RID)|Wrecker Hook]] in &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Convobat Amazon Showdown]]&#039;&#039;, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Convobat)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} and cheered on [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]] for defeating [[Devil Z]] (but mistook him for Optimus Prime). {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 35|Bonus Edition Vol. 35}} He witnessed the [[Dimensional Patrol]] place the city under lockdown for a time, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Scourge 2)|Bonus Edition Vol. EX}} and was among the citizens eaten by [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] and used as power sources. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 43|Bonus Edition Vol. 43}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Silverbolt was seen on the streets of [[Akihabara|Neo Akihabara City]] after it was rebuilt in the wake of Trypticon&#039;s attack. {{storylink|Targetmaster Chapter Prologue}} He later got kicked around by [[Repugnus (G1)|Repugnus]] when he was learning to control [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]]&#039;s mech suit, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 48|Bonus Edition Vol. 48}} was given [[Beastformer]] army when [[White Leo]] attempted to recruit Legends citizens into his army, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 51|Bonus Edition Vol. 51}} and watched Mayor [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] introduce the world&#039;s new protector, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 53|Bonus Edition Vol. 53}} He visited [[Wolf Circus]] to check out the opera singing wolf, [[Noble (BM)|Noble]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 63|Bonus Edition Vol. 63}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Commercial appearances==&lt;br /&gt;
An eagle and a wolf screamed in horrifying agony as they were sucked inexorably toward their searing, fiery death in a lava pit... Only to emerge as Silverbolt, who burst out of the molten lake and flew off! {{storylink|Commercial/Beast Wars#Fuzors|Fuzors commercial}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals&#039;&#039; (PS)===&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Mitsuo Iwata]] (Japanese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
====Maximal story====&lt;br /&gt;
When the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; came under heavy Predacon fire, Silverbolt concurred with Optimus&#039;s plan to use it as an opening to retake the Golden Disk. He joined Primal&#039;s team in chasing the Predacons back to the &#039;&#039;Darkside&#039;&#039;, successfully retaking the Disk. However, though Megatron appeared cornered, the group learned that the Predacons had managed to infiltrate the &#039;&#039;Axalon&#039;&#039; in their absence. As Megatron took off, Silverbolt and the others hurried back to base. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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====Predacon story====&lt;br /&gt;
Silverbolt joined Optimus Primal in an attack on the &#039;&#039;Darkside&#039;&#039;, but this was revealed to be part of a plot by Megatron, and he and the other Maximals were swiftly overtaken, being beaten all the way back to the Axalon before being left badly damaged on the ground. Fortunately, Rhinox arrived and activated Sentinel&#039;s defenses before the Predacons could finish them off. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers Legends&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
Silverbolt was the first to arrive at the crash-site of a large stasis pod marked with a red &amp;quot;X&amp;quot;. Soon joined by the Predacons Blackarachnia, Waspinator, and Terrorsaur however, Silverbolt finds himself having to fight the new arrivals until the scuffle leads to unleash Rampage from within the stasis pod. Rampage subsequently blows away Blackarachnia and Silverbolt into a hostile swamp, where they need to rely on one another to survive. Despite starting out as bitter enemies, Blackarachnia and Silverbolt soon find they have much in common and begin to form a bond. When they return to the battleground where Depth Charge has joined Blackarachnia&#039;s teammates, Silverbolt and Blackarachnia aided in Rampage&#039;s defeat, just in time for Megatron&#039;s arrival. {{storylink|When Sparks Fly}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Battle-Tactics-Silverbolt-Fuzor.jpg|thumb|400px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Silverbolt Fuzor participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Super Rare character available as a reward in the &amp;quot;Transmetals: Beast Wars - Episode 2&amp;quot; event. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Silverboltfuzortoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Watch out for my deadly spoons!]]&lt;br /&gt;
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:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Left &amp;amp; right feather-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
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: Part of the first wave of [[Fuzor]]s, Silverbolt transforms into a wolf with the wings, fore-legs and tail of an eagle. In either mode, pulling his tail activates a spring-loaded &amp;quot;wing flap&amp;quot; gimmick. Moving the wings far enough forward triggers their built-in spring-loaded missile launchers. Silverbolt&#039;s missiles are also designed to be held in his hands like clubs. Unlike in the show, Silverbolt&#039;s wings are permanently horizontally aligned in robot mode, rather than shifting vertically.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: For his [[Japan|Japanese]] release as part of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars Metals&#039;&#039;, Silverbolt&#039;s grey plastic was made much lighter, and the wolf eyes were given painted irises and pupils. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: This mold was [[redeco]]ed to make [[BotCon 1999]]&#039;s [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]] and the &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; version of Silverbolt.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1998/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm More information on Silverbolt at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}{{anchor|VS41}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-m1p1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Yūmō no Taiketsu: Silverbolt VS Metals Rampage&#039;&#039;&#039; (VS pack, [[1999]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;VS-41&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Left &amp;amp; right feather-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: In Japan, Silverbolt was available both individually and in a &amp;quot;Brave Showdown&amp;quot; (勇猛の対決 &#039;&#039;Yūmō no Taiketsu&#039;&#039;) two-pack with [[Rampage (BW)#VS41|Metals Rampage]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Silverboltbmtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Guess why I was packaged in robot mode!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-m2|&#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (Basic, [[2000]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Wing-pack/sword&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Known designers&#039;&#039;: [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Part of the third wave of &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Machines]]&#039;&#039; Basics, Silverbolt transforms into a technorganic condor. His wings have a snap-together feature, and the entire wing assembly detaches to form a hand-held shield-blade for [[robot mode]]. His condor mode looks so awkward (no place for the robot legs to go!) that it is possible his real [[beast mode]] was originally intended to be a [[:File:Silverboltbmtoygriffin.jpg|griffin]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Maximal/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm More information on Beast Machines Silverbolt at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; (2003)===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Universe2003toy-SilverboltDeluxe.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Admit that I&#039;m beautiful. ADMIT IT.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, [[2003]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Left &amp;amp; right feather-missiles&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: A purple redeco of the original Fuzor toy and part of the very first assortment of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; product, Silverbolt transforms into a wolf/eagle fusion. He retains all of his previous [[gimmick]]s, but includes more paint applications this time around, such as pupils in his wolf mode eyes and the lightning-like &amp;quot;energon surge&amp;quot; deco on his back. This version also adds an Autobot sigil to his tummy gem. The socket for the gem is [[retool]]ed from the prior version, though this is not externally visible.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Silverbolt is purple to &amp;quot;fill out the color roster&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{citesocial|quote=Evan worked with the person who made the Universe 2003 Silverbolt, the designer just wanted to make him purple to fill out the color roster.|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2023/07/28/sdcc-2023-hasbro-show-floor-qa-legacy-studio-series-video-games-more-488215|name=Evan Brooks|site=TFW2005|year=2023|month=07|day=28}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm More information on Universe Silverbolt at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{--}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Returns&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
{{anchor|BWR}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Silverboltbwrtoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Like lipstick on a... condor... thing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-m2|&#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (Basic, 2005)}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;BR-10&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Release date&#039;&#039;: [[March 31]], 2005&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Wing-pack/sword&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: In 2005, the &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; toy was [[redeco]]ed for the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] &#039;&#039;[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars Returns]]&#039;&#039; series in a much more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] purple color scheme. Like the rest of the line, he was only available at Japanese [[Toys&amp;quot;R&amp;quot;Us]] stores.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/Silverbolt/silverbolt.htm More information on Beast Wars Returns Silverbolt at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TFGenerations2014 Rejected Silverbolt.jpg|thumb|]]&lt;br /&gt;
:A mock-up of a &amp;quot;Metals Silverbolt&amp;quot; (メタルシルバーボルト) toy in the form of a &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime: Beast Hunters]]&#039;&#039; Deluxe Class [[Grimwing (Prime)#Toys|Grimwing]] redeco was shown in &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Generations 2014 Volume 1]]&#039;&#039; as one of ten potential exclusives for Vol. 2. In the [[Fan polls#Generations Magazine Exclusive Character Popularity Vote|poll]] held to determine which of the ten would be produced, Silverbolt came in third place with 14.8% of the votes, losing out to [[Goshooter#Generations|Goshooter]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://millionhero.sblo.jp/article/101898683.html Poll results at Hero-X]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{canceledtoy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Legacy-Voyager-Class-Silverbolt.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Wow, they remembered season 2 happened!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-m1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Universe Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (Voyager Class, [[2024]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;TakaraTomy name:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;TakaraTomy ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TL-58&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;TakaraTomy release date:&#039;&#039; [[March 25]], 2024&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; Left &amp;amp; right feather missiles&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Shogo Hasui]] (TakaraTomy)}}&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[October 27]], [[2023]]&#039;s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQDGvr0oGqs 1027 Hasbro Pulse Premium Event] on YouTube, with [[Mark Maher]] and [[Ben MacCrae]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Released as part of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]]&#039;&#039;, Silverbolt is an updated version of his original Beast Wars design, featuring greater articulation and show accuracy.  Most conspicuously, in robot mode his wings now rest on his back, and his feather swords are painted.  The toy is in fact &#039;&#039;so&#039;&#039; show-accurate that it has large [[Kibble#&amp;quot;Faux-parts&amp;quot;|non-functional]] hinges sculpted in front of the shoulders to mimic the original show model (and original toy).    &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Strangely, Silverbolt&#039;s upper wing segments and missiles are sculpted asymmetrically:  on one side he has one large peg-and-socket interface, on the other he has two smaller ones.  The reason for this is unknown.    &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[https://www.instagram.com/p/C3brwiWMk5B/ Designer commentary on &#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039; Silverbolt from Mark Maher on Instagram]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Beast Wars Ramune&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Metalsheroramune.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Outnumbering enemies 6-to-1:  heroic!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[1998]])&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;:  stand&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:[[Kabaya]] released a painted, non-articulated PVC figurine of Silverbolt in its &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Beast Wars Ramune|Beast Wars Ramune]]&#039;&#039; line - specifically, in the final wave known as &amp;quot;Metals Hero Ramune.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}} &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Metallic Beast Ramune&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:RamuneBWSilverbolt.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Moral clarity]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[1999]])&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Feather swords (2)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:A non-transforming snap-together kit produced by Kabaya, depicting Silverbolt&#039;s robot mode sculpted almost entirely from transparent plastic, with only the wings being opaque grey. Visible through the clear plastic is a chromed metallic endoskeleton and chromed wing feathers to play into the Transmetals / &amp;quot;Metals&amp;quot; theme of this product line (even though Silverbolt himself was, of course, a Fuzor). This figure was produced in two variants, with the chromed pieces available in either blue or gold. &lt;br /&gt;
{{--}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Robot Heroes&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Robotheroessilverboltmegatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He will beat you to death with his mighty wheat!]] &lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt &amp;amp; Megatron&#039;&#039;&#039; (Two-pack, [[2008]])&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Part of the &amp;quot;Beast Wars Series&amp;quot; of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039;-branded &#039;&#039;[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]&#039;&#039;, Silverbolt comes packaged with [[Transmetal]] [[Megatron (BW)/toys#RHTransmetal|Megatron]]. He has the standard shoulders-and-neck articulation.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Maximal/RHSilverbolt/silverbolt.htm More information on Robot Heroes Silverbolt at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{--}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*In the Japanese dub of &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, Silverbolt was not portrayed as a stereotypical &amp;quot;knight in shining armor&amp;quot; as he was in the West. Instead, his unique character quirk was that he was &#039;&#039;psychotically polite&#039;&#039; and always happy no matter what. Silverbolt spoke in polite-form Japanese and had a habit of shouting English-language phrases, speaking like a stereotypical American (polite-form Japanese being the form Americans are taught, the Japanese often mock them for constantly using it). His verbal tic was a habit of shouting &amp;quot;DESU!&amp;quot; over and over again (&amp;quot;desu&amp;quot; being a part of polite-form Japanese, used to end sentences respectfully). Like all verbal tics in the Japanese dub, Silverbolt chanted it incessantly, including every time he fired his weapon.&lt;br /&gt;
*Unlike his fellow Fuzor Quickstrike, Silverbolt&#039;s beast mode does not appear to be Transmetalized, though he seemed to benefit from the same protection as those who were. This did not extend to his role during &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; however, where he was susceptible to paralysis after the Transformation virus disabled him and Rhinox, the only two explicitly non-Transmetalized Maximals.&lt;br /&gt;
*According to various [[Hasbro]] representatives, &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; Silverbolt&#039;s colors (and those of pretty much the entire first wave of &#039;&#039;Universe&#039;&#039; product) were done by Hasbro employees from outside the &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; team.&lt;br /&gt;
*Silverbolt&#039;s [[robot mode]] in &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; was heavily designed after a traditional Japanese samurai.&lt;br /&gt;
*According to [[Steven Melching]]&#039;s commentary on [[Endgame Pt. II: When Legends Fall|&#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; episode 25]], he made the changes to Silverbolt based on the evolution of the Adam West Batman into the Dark Knight.&lt;br /&gt;
*The &#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Uprising&#039;&#039; incarnation of Silverbolt was never visually depicted, but a concept redeco was mocked up using &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Prime (toyline)|Prime: Beast Hunters]]&#039;&#039; Deluxe Class [[Dreadwing (Prime)#Beast Hunters|Dreadwing]], the same toy used to model &#039;&#039;Uprising&#039;&#039; [[Windrazor (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Windrazor]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Concept digibash shown at Pete&#039;s Robot Convention 2018&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*According to [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]], handling Silverbolt&#039;s original &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; toy is what inspired prolific [[TakaraTomy]] design legend [[Shogo Hasui]] to become a &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; designer in the first place.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[March 21]], 2024&#039;s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPkQZZ4zasE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 21, 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Mark Maher]] and [[Evan Brooks]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (シルバーボルト &#039;&#039;Shirubāboruto&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;French:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039; dub), &#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbot&#039;&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039; dub), &#039;&#039;&#039;Vif-Argent&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Quicksilver&amp;quot;, Canada toy)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Italian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Grifo&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Mandarin:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Yín Láng&#039;&#039;&#039; (Taiwan &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, 銀狼, &amp;quot;Silver Wolf&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Yín Shǎndìan&#039;&#039;&#039; (Taiwan &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, 銀閃電, &amp;quot;Silver Bolt&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Shǎndìan&#039;&#039;&#039; (China &#039;&#039;Beast Wars&#039;&#039;, 闪电, &amp;quot;Bolt&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Pīlì Xiá&#039;&#039;&#039; (China &#039;&#039;Beast Machines&#039;&#039;, 霹雳侠, &amp;quot;Thunderbolt Knight&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Polish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Srebrny Grom&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Spanish:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Silverbolt&#039;&#039;&#039; (Spain), &#039;&#039;&#039;Rayo de Plata&#039;&#039;&#039; (America, toy, &amp;quot;Silver Bolt&amp;quot;), &#039;&#039;&#039;Lobo Plateado&#039;&#039;&#039; (America, cartoon, &amp;quot;Silver Wolf&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
{{reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Armada Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Machines Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars Predacons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Children of Primus]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fuzors]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Knights]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legacy Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legends Maximals]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legends World natives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Toys&amp;quot;R&amp;quot;Us Japan exclusives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trackers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Turncoats]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wings Universe Maximals]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Sandstorm (G1)</title>
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{{featured}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{disambig3|Sandstorm}}&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;Sandstorm is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:G1AutobotSandstorm boxart.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Enter Darude-Sandstorm joke here.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; gets bored easily, and has a very hard time concentrating on humdrum tasks. He craves excitement, and since the [[Transformer]]s apparently don&#039;t have the X-Games (though they do have [[Optimus Primal (BW)|skateboarding apes]]), he goes in for fighting the [[Decepticon]]s. The ever-present threat of deactivation or maiming doesn&#039;t frighten him, but he does fear that the war might end any chance for him to enjoy life. For Sandstorm, war may not be heaven, but it&#039;s a hell of an adventure.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fiction==&lt;br /&gt;
===Marvel Comics continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
====Marvel &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; comics====&lt;br /&gt;
{{noteukonly}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Triplechangerstarget2006.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|&amp;quot;Think how great a first impression we&#039;d make if I shot him in the crotch!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Sandstorm was one of three [[Triple Changer]]s recruited by [[Emirate]] [[Xaaron]] to back up the [[Wreckers]] in [[Operation: Volcano]], replacing [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] after he went missing. In order to make a good first impression on [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]], their new commander, Sandstorm and his buddies beat the titanium-coated stuffing out of him, thus proving that they&#039;d fit right in with the Wreckers. However, there were still doubts as to whether the Triple Changers were up to their task in the mission. Such concerns became null when Volcano ultimately failed to lure their targets into the intended trap. All it yielded was Impactor&#039;s death, who was felled by a [[Macabre|Decepticon nobody]] while the rest of the forces drew back. After gunning down the assassin, Sandstorm and the others watch solemny as their commander&#039;s life force faded away.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Target: 2006}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;As a member of the Wreckers, Sandstorm helped capture what he believed to be a Decepticon spy disguised as Autobot leader [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]],&#039;&#039; {{storylink|...The Harder They Die!}} &#039;&#039;only to later discover the &amp;quot;spy&amp;quot; was actually the genuine article. Once Emirate Xaaron confirmed his old friend&#039;s identity, the Wreckers stood down.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Distant Thunder!}} &#039;&#039;Along with Ultra Magnus, they fought alongside Prime against [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] and his forces, plundering Decepticon strongholds of their [[energon]] before Optimus returned to the Autobots of [[Earth]].&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Resurrection!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Technician wreckers legion of the lost.jpg|thumb|upright=2]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;After Prime was transported back to Earth, [[Autobase]] was moved to [[Kalis]]. It was soon rocked by a huge explosion and, believing the explosion to be caused by an underground reactor, Sandstorm and the other Wreckers searched in vain for the chamber. Upon their return to headquarters, the Autobots were overcome by a legion of [[zombie]]s! Springer, still ill-at-ease in his role as leader, floundered when the shambling horde burst through the floor, and without anyone to coordinate them, the Wreckers were easily vanquished. They were captured by the undead horde&#039;s controller, [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]], fitted with [[inhibitor band]]s, and detained within an underground cell. Though things seemed grim, Springer regained his senses following a pep-talk from Xaaron and managed to escape.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Legion of the Lost!}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Wreckers magnus meltdown.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8|It&#039;s all part of a new program we like to call &amp;quot;Deep Hurting&amp;quot;!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Sandstorm and the rest of the Wreckers managed to break out of their cell as well, reacquired their weapons, and once more took up the fight against the zombies patrolling Flame&#039;s headquarters. They then bumped into a returning Springer, now accompanied by Ultra Magnus, [[Fizzle]], [[Sizzle (G1)|Sizzle]], and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]]. Unfortunately, any further progress towards Flame&#039;s inner sanctum was blocked off by a massive blast door. Though their weapons proved completely ineffective against it, the Autobots managed to get through when [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] arrived, repaying a favor that fellow Decepticon [[Flywheels]] owed Ultra Magnus. Unfortunately, they came to confront Flame too late; his machines had already destabilized, and the countdown to Cybertron&#039;s destruction had already begun. While Springer, Ultra Magnus, and Xaaron dealt with Flame, the rest of the group cut through the remnants of the mad scientist&#039;s zombie army, and headed back to the surface. There, Sandstorm learned that a zombified [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] had forfeited his (un)life in order to prevent the whole planet from blowing up. The Autobots stood in solemn silence to honor Impactor&#039;s heroic passing.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Meltdown!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Sandstorm helped prepare the squad to jump to Earth and eliminate the threat of [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] after receiving a warning from Ultra Magnus and the Sparklers.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Deadly Games!}} &#039;&#039;Unfortunately, their portal dropped the Wreckers on Galvatron right in the middle of a human town, while the latter was having a meeting with [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. This left the risk of civilian casualties unbearably high. The Wreckers were forced to focus on clearing Galvatron out of the town and securing the safety of the humans rather than actually fighting to capture or kill the super Decepticon. Unfortunately, Sandstorm&#039;s efforts in this task were met with difficulty, as the humans couldn&#039;t tell Autobots apart from Decepticons. Springer managed to lure Scourge and Cyclonus away, allowing the rest of his crew an opportunity to gang-up on Galvatron. But they were unwilling to simply abandon their leader to the Decepticons&#039; mercies, and the Wreckers allowed Galvatron to escape in order to help their leader. Scourge and Cyclonus also retreated upon finding themselves badly outnumbered, and the Wreckers were forced to return to Cybertron to plan anew.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}} &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Blasterbeourleaderplease.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Aren&#039;t you with the Wreckers? In space?]]&lt;br /&gt;
Oppressed under [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]]&#039;s tyrannical rule, Sandstorm and several others on board the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] pleaded for [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] to usurp Grimlock as leader of the Autobots. {{storylink|Spacehikers!}} Later, he would join the other Autobots in watching them duel for leadership on Earth&#039;s [[Moon (moon)|moon]]. No one knows how Sandstorm got there. {{storylink|Totaled!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;After the mission against Galvatron failed, Sandstorm was assigned to Earth duty full-time with [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] as an [[Advance Surveillance Unit]] for Galvatron&#039;s next move. Though they had been instructed to keep out of human affairs, Sandstorm was still itching for some action. He got more than he bargained for when he investigated a town fire; at first the situation seemed like an opportunity to safeguard life from a natural disaster. While helping the townsfolk evacuate however, Sandstorm, Inferno, and Broadside discovered that an alien life-form, a [[Firebug (G1)|Firebug]], was the source of the conflagration. Working together, the trio caught the critter and sent him off to Mercury, where he wouldn&#039;t cause further trouble.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Firebug!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Later, the trio made a mess of some locals&#039; [[Christmas]] celebration while trying to join in, leaving the town of [[Border Flats]] in ruins as a result. Sandstorm and his teammates made themselves scarce, only for the Autobot [[Powermaster]]s to track them down and attack, thinking they were dealing with a trio of Decepticon trouble-makers. Suitably ashamed of the damage they had caused, the Advance Surveillance Unit apologized for the misunderstanding. As the Autobots settled down, Optimus Prime joined them to impart on Sandstorm and the rest about their responsibility to the planet.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Cold Comfort and Joy!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;Once he reported to Cybertron about Galvatron amassing resources, Sandstorm joined a joint task force of Wreckers and [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhems]] in confronting the evil Decepticon from the future. They were strong. They were numerous. They were annihilated. Galvatron&#039;s [[particle cannon]] ended up obliterating Sandstorm while the task force was in full retreat after losing more than half their members.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Time Wars}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Rodimus technobots wreckers peace.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm was among the Autobots defending their territory during the Decepticons&#039; all-out assault under the command of [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]]. {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In an alternate future of [[2510]], Sandstorm joined the Wreckers on Cybertron&#039;s northern front where they finally exterminated the last Decepticon outpost, bringing the war to an end. Later on, [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] called an official end to the war effort and announced his plans to pass the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] on to Springer. The Decepticons were not totally gone, however—a deep cover agent named [[Triton]] lived on inside the Autobot ranks. In order to stir up discord, Triton challenged Prime&#039;s decision, declaring that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] was a better choice to carry the Matrix. The situation quickly escalated into a firefight, during which Sandstorm murdered Triton. As conflict escalated further, a new Cybertronian Civil War between the Wreckers and the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] began.&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Peace}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm helped rebuild the [[Ironworks (facility)|Ironworks]]. When the evil Autobots attacked from the negative polarity universe, Sandstorm was one of the first wave assimilated by the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. {{storylink|Invasion (issue)|Invasion}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Wreckers loose ends.jpg|thumb|upright=1.9|Once a background character, always a background character.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In [[2012]], twenty-one years after the apparent end of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] and reoccupation of Cybertron, Sandstorm and the other Wreckers joined [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] in going AWOL to investigate the &amp;quot;loose ends&amp;quot; of the conflict on other planets such as Earth and [[Nebulos]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Unfortunately, they only made it as far as a devastated Earth before they were apparently blown out of the sky by [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 1}} The Wreckers escaped their ship in shuttles that took them to Earth&#039;s surface, where they decided to lay low while Rack&#039;n&#039;Ruin checked on Broadside and Topspin, as they had suffered damage during the battle. After, Sandstorm tried to draw off most of Megatron&#039;s [[zombie]] army with [[Leadfoot (G2)|Leadfoot]] and [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] while Kup tried to send a distress signal to Cybertron. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Upon returning to the other Wreckers, he found them being threatened by a [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|super-powered human]] calling himself Circuit Smasher. Topspin recognized the human as Spike Witwicky, a former ally of the Autobots, and Spike grudgingly took the to [[Argus Base]] where they met [[G.B. Blackrock]]. Sandstorm attended a meeting with Blackrock, Circuit Smasher, and Springer to form a plan to take down Megatron. During their meeting, they received a message from Megatron, informing them that he had Kup captive, and had infected him with [[Scraplet]]s! {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 3}} Sandstorm, Springer and Whirl split off from the other Wreckers, so they could try to save Kup, and, in the process, create a distraction so the other Wreckers could deactivate the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. They fought hard, but were quickly taken down by Megatron&#039;s forces. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 4}} With the arrival of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] with reinforcements from Cybertron and a joint Wrecker-human assault on the Ark, Megatron and his zombie army were defeated. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 5}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm and the rest of the Autobots, sans Optimus Prime, returned to Cybertron aboard the &#039;&#039;[[Valiant (G1)|Valiant]]&#039;&#039; {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Five}} where he continued to serve with the Wreckers; helping to keep the peace at [[Eugenesis Plaza]] {{storylink|Destiny, Part One}} and [[Auto-artery RG1]] {{storylink|Destiny, Part Two}} and participating in a failed attack at [[Fort Scyk]] to root out [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]]&#039;s Neo-Decepticons. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Three}} With the arrival of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[Warworld]]&#039;&#039; above the planet, he formed part of a raid on the Decepticon ship but was caught unawares by the master of [[Metallikato]] and found himself impaled by a sword. {{storylink|Destiny, Part Five}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm was well enough recovered to join Rodimus Prime&#039;s assault on the [[Hub (G2)|Hub Network]], with the Wreckers operating separately from the main Autobot forces and using the Hub&#039;s interplanetary &amp;quot;[[slam rail]]&amp;quot; tube system to avoid detection while causing massive explosions to detach planets from its superstructure. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] were led by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] in a counterattack against [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]]&#039;s forces as they laid siege to an Autobot fort in the [[Border Regions]]. Following their intervention, Straxus ordered his troops to retreat but to gather as many prisoners as they could as they did so. {{storylink|Secrets &amp;amp; Lies issue 2|Secrets &amp;amp; Lies #2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
====&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; cartoon====&lt;br /&gt;
{{voiceactor|[[Jerry Houser]] (English), [[Yoku Shioya]] (Japanese)|[[Xia Zhiqing]] (Chinese), [[Bernd Simon]] (German, &amp;quot;Fight or Flee&amp;quot;), [[Imo Heite]] (German, &amp;quot;Starscreams Ghost&amp;quot;), [[Frank Röth]] (German, &#039;&#039;Generation 2&#039;&#039; dub), [[Georges Atlas]] (European French), [[Dani Albiac]] (Spain-Spanish), [[Lauro Fabiano]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:SandstormAutobot1.jpg|left|thumb|Autobot Creamsicle]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm was a native of [[Paradron]]. His Autobot ancestors fled Cybertron during what he called [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|the Fourth Great War]] and ventured through a strange vortex, where they discovered a habitable world. There, they founded an energon-rich, democratic colony dedicated to nonviolence.&lt;br /&gt;
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But this came to an end when [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] stumbled through the vortex and crashed on Paradron. They had no idea where they were, but they knew it was a land ripe for the picking. They literally pushed the welcoming Paradronians around, then alerted [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] to the planet&#039;s existence. Sandstorm tried to rally his fellows against the two Decepticons, but no one wanted to fight. And he was proven terribly right in the middle of a speech, when Cyclonus abruptly shot him as Galvatron&#039;s invasion force descended from the sky.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm was jailed, and the Decepticons forced the Paradronians into labor, building weapons. However, Sandstorm escaped rather easily and took an old shuttle back through the vortex. He put out a distress call and was found by the [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] [[Autobot]]s, whom he convinced to mount a counterstrike against Galvatron.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sandstorm ThiefInTheNight.jpg|thumb|upright=2|Technically, you&#039;re not supposed to be here.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Autobots infiltrated Paradron and took guerrilla action. They freed a group of Paradronians, and though the pacifists were still wary of Sandstorm&#039;s pleas to fight, they did finally take up arms. Despite this victory, though, the Decepticons still presented a daunting battle. Sandstorm gave little objection to [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]]&#039;s order to detonate the planet&#039;s energon core, destroying the world to keep it out of Galvatron&#039;s hands. In fact, he seemed downright happy to get some use out of the planetary escape pods. The Paradronians departed thusly while Sandstorm and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] planted a bomb on what Magnus called the most beautiful thing in the entire galaxy.&lt;br /&gt;
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When it detonated five minutes later, Sandstorm and the Paradronians stood alongside the Autobots and watched their homeworld&#039;s destruction. &amp;quot;It&#039;s as beautiful in death as it was in life&amp;quot;. Sandstorm eulogized simply. Rodimus openly mocked him and told him Cybertron was better. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm joined the Autobots on Earth; there, he was part of Rodimus&#039;s team investigating [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]&#039;s theft of famous monuments. {{storylink|Thief in the Night}} Interestingly, it was as a result of that caper that [[Octane]] was excommunicated from Galvatron&#039;s army. And then Sandstorm and Octane soon started hanging out, joyriding in and around [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]].&lt;br /&gt;
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When the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] tried to assassinate Octane, he and Sandstorm fled to a space station somewhere and had lunch. There, a [[Skuxxoid]] in Galvatron&#039;s employ tried to kill Octane several times but was comically thwarted by circumstance. Believing it would be safer, Sandstorm and Octane then went to Cybertron. But while Octane was alone there, he finally &#039;&#039;was&#039;&#039; captured by the Decepticons.&lt;br /&gt;
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As he was being hauled away, Sandstorm tried to rescue him. And failed. {{storylink|Starscream&#039;s Ghost}}&lt;br /&gt;
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=====&#039;&#039;The Headmasters&#039;&#039; cartoon=====&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Hm4 Autobot Triple Changers.jpg|thumb|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Alongside [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], Sandstorm was sent from [[Athenia]] to Cybertron in order to defend against a major Decepticon assault. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} The Triple Changers then traveled to Earth, where they helped [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Twincast]] sneak into [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] by keeping their Decepticon counterparts busy with a dogfight. Apparently, Sandstorm wasn&#039;t on friendly terms with Octane anymore. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2030]], Sandstorm and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] were by [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] when he declared he would turn his life around. {{Storylink|LG19 Sprung Prologue}}&lt;br /&gt;
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At some point, [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] created [[Sandstorm (MW)|a clone]] of Sandstorm and sent him to Cybertron. {{storylink|Termination}} Two days before Jhiaxus&#039; [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian]] clone army arrived on Cybertron, [[Pyro (G1)|Pyro]] contacted [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] to show him that the &#039;&#039;real&#039;&#039; Sandstorm was with him on Earth. {{storylink|A Common Foe}} Meanwhile, the clone acted as a sleeper agent, living the original Sandstorm&#039;s life until Jhiaxus and his clone army attacked Cybertron. {{storylink|Termination}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===St. Michael &#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; Sticker Book===&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm served on an alien spacecraft with the Autobots [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Springer (G1)|Springer]], and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] under the command of Ultra Magnus. While fighting Decepticons, their spaceship took heavy damage and crash-landed on the planet [[Barrenikon]]. There, he met [[you]], having just emerged from the Vortex, a portal through space and time contained within the planet. Together, you went on an adventure, fighting Decepticons, braving Barrenikon&#039;s barren desert or its putrid swamp, and trying to find a way to get the Autobots space-bound once more. {{storylink|The Transformers Sticker Book (St. Michael)|The Transformers Sticker Book}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Dreamwave &#039;&#039;Generation One&#039;&#039; continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DWColdWar Sandstormdies.jpg|thumb|That&#039;s not healthy...]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm served under Springer as part of the Wreckers faction during the [[Dark Ages]] of Cybertron&#039;s civil war. They were primarily interested in keeping [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] and the [[Ultracon]]s from gaining control of the [[Tagan Heights]], the primary manufacturing region of Cybertron. During one of their missions, they came to blows against [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. Springer ordered Sandstorm to evacuate the troops instead of battling the colossus, but Sandstorm quickly found out it was impossible to dissuade his fellow Wreckers from tackling their opponent. Realizing this, he charged into battle himself. {{storylink|Escalation}} [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] then joined the fight, though the resulting clash between the two combiners was so brutal that Sandstorm and the rest of the Wreckers were forced to retreat to avoid becoming collateral damage. {{storylink|Devastation (issue)|Devastation}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Originally only able to transform into a ground vehicle, Sandstorm received an additional flight mode after the [[Great Shutdown]], when Shockwave put him through Triple Changer engineering as part of the Pax Cybertronia between the Autobots and the Decepticons. He accompanied Shockwave to Earth along with several other Triple-Changers to apprehend both Optimus and Megatron&#039;s followers as war criminals. Though the Autobots escaped their clutches at first, the Decepticons were secured, and put in transit back to their home planet. {{storylink|New World Order}} Despite serving with Shockwave&#039;s Triple Changer Strike Force, Sandstorm and his partner [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] grew uneasy about Shockwave&#039;s ultimate intentions, and allied themselves with the Autobot underground resistance. Sandstorm was killed by an assassin, [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]], while secretly leading Optimus Prime through the [[Old Slave Trails]] to make contact with the resistance. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ArtofWar3 Sandstorm Springer.jpg|left|thumb|So bored he&#039;s talking to himself.]]&lt;br /&gt;
When a number of Autobots and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joes]] vanished while chasing [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]], Sandstorm and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] were sent out to look for them. Unfortunately, Serpent O.R. jammed their radars, and they didn&#039;t find a thing. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===2005 IDW continuity===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Primacy4 SpringerSandstormKillGuys.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7|Getting their pre-Wrecker on.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm was [[Reproduction|Forged]], and later recalled that his birth was the last time he saw a [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]]. {{storylink|The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation}} In the era of [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]], Sandstorm was involved in a riot by protesters rallying against the [[Outback (G1)|Autobot cop]] who reportedly killed an unarmed [[Hefter|Decepticon agitator]]. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 1: To Walk Among the Chosen|To Walk Among the Chosen}} He participated in the defense of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] early in the war, ruthlessly killing Decepticons alongside [[Springer (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Springer]]. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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During the war Sandstorm became part of the elite [[Wreckers]] unit operating under [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]&#039;s command, replacing [[Blocker (G1)|Blocker]]. {{storylink|Out of Bullets}} He came out with the entire team for a warm Wreckers welcome on Springer&#039;s first day. {{storylink|Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers}} At one point, one of the things the Wreckers had to deal with was an anti-matter clone of Sandstorm. {{storylink|Zero Point}} Sandstorm saw things that would haunt him forever during his tour as a Wrecker- war crimes not just perpetrated by Decepticons, but by his own side as well. These atrocities would greatly inform his personal sense of justice, as well as instill a deep sense of guilt and paranoia in him. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers4-Sandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|left|This didn&#039;t happen, but this is what I looked like!]]&lt;br /&gt;
He participated in the final showdown between the Wreckers and [[Squadron X]] on [[Pova]], dogfighting with [[Crosscut (Marvel)|Crosscut]] and [[Ferak]] in the air. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}} However, after the Decepticons were defeated and imprisoned, the Wreckers were told to release them due to Pova being neutral territory. The increasingly deranged Impactor refused, and chose to personally execute every single member of Squadron X rather than let them go. Like most of the Wreckers, Sandstorm only looked away in shame and did nothing to stop him. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Notably, Sandstorm was the only one out of the Wreckers that participated in Pova &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; to attempt to persuade Springer to testify and clear them of all charges. {{storylink|Zero Point}} &lt;br /&gt;
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In order to cover up Impactor&#039;s crime, a new story was written for the official records. In this version of the events, Squadron X broke out of their bonds and injured Sandstorm, who collapsed after limping to warn his fellow Wreckers. The Wreckers were then forced to destroy Squadron X in a grand battle. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 4|Last Stand of the Wreckers #4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Stormbringer4 SpringerSandstormWhirlVehicleModes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7|Oh you wanna dance? That what this is?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Hey! I&#039;ll dance with you.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Many years later, while Sandstorm and the other aerial Wreckers were assaulting the Decepticon Siege Mode Armature on [[Varas Centralus]], Springer was ordered by Operations-Command to pull out and return to Cybertron to deal with the resurrection of [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 2|Stormbringer #2}} Sandstorm participated in the short assault that crushed [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]&#039;s cult, {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3|Stormbringer #3}} and fought against Thunderwing himself when the creature was recalled to Cybertron. During the battle, he reported that their weapons were being shut down by Thunderwing charging the atmosphere and tried to tell Springer to get away, but he (along with several other Wreckers) were blasted away by the creature&#039;s microwave pulse. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer #4}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm and his fellow Wreckers were later dispatched to [[Corata-Vaz]] to gain control of the [[Nega-Core]] in place on that world, but had serious trouble getting past its watchdog, Thunderwing. They had a brief reprieve when [[Jetfire (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jetfire]] used the old [[axis cradle]] to remotely shut down the Pretender, but Jetfire was soon distracted and the battle was renewed. The Jumpstarters worked on overriding the Nega Core&#039;s programming while Sandstorm and the others held back Thunderwing. Eventually the Nega-Cores were disabled and the Transformers of the [[Dead Universe]] defeated, causing Thunderwing to shut down once more. {{storylink|Spotlight: Sideswipe}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sandstorm Seasons In Flight.jpg|thumb|upright=0.6|left|Sandstorm&#039;s &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;blue&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; Blurr period.]]&lt;br /&gt;
During the Decepticons&#039; devastating attack against the Autobots across the galaxy, Sandstorm was one of several Autobots who had been captured by [[Turmoil]]. When the ship made a stop at a neutral alien world, two attacks on the Decepticons occurred simultaneously: the Autobot veteran [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]] led the remaining Wreckers to blast their way into the ship, while the factionless swordsman who called himself [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] snuck into the ship and helped the Autobots free their compatriots. {{storylink|Spotlight: Drift}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sometime later, after the defeat of the Decepticons in [[New York City]], Springer remarked that Sandstorm was deep behind enemy lines. Why he was there, and if it was by his own choosing, is unknown. {{storylink|Bullets}} Eventually, Sandstorm was one of the many Autobots stranded on Earth in the aftermath of the [[Surge (event)|Surge]]. After [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] turned himself in to [[Skywatch]], Sandstorm decided to leave the Autobots along with [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]]. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 1: &amp;quot;New Arrivals, Old Encounters&amp;quot;|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}} When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] had located Hot Rod&#039;s group, Sandstorm was one of the first Autobots to welcome him. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: &amp;quot;Seasons in Flight&amp;quot;|Seasons in Flight}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Mtmte28-p23-sandstorm-at-trial.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|Chekhov&#039;s Gunman.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm was among the Autobots poised to fight against [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]]&#039;s army on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. Led by [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]], he and the other Autobot fliers attacked [[Kimia Facility]] and fought with the many [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] defending it. {{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers|Numbers}} After the war, [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] mentioned that of the Autobots involved with the Turmoil affair, only [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] were left on Cybertron, suggesting Sandstorm had left the planet, possibly aboard the &#039;&#039;[[Lost Light]]&#039;&#039; or at the Wreckers&#039; &#039;&#039;[[Debris]]&#039;&#039; station with Roadbuster and the comatose Springer. {{storylink|Interference Patterns}} &lt;br /&gt;
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Sandstorm returned to Cybertron at some point prior to the trial of [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]]. Along with his fellow Triple-Changer, Broadside, Sandstorm acted as bailiff escorting Megatron to his trial on [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} During the trial he helped repel an attack by a group of Decepticons attempting to free Megatron. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner&#039;s Guide|Predestination: A Beginner&#039;s Guide}} He also began frequenting bars and befriending the Decepticons attending them. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}} He visited [[Swerve&#039;s]], the bar on board the &#039;&#039;Lost Light&#039;&#039;, before the ship left Cybertron. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Punishment SandstormDrinks.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|left|&amp;quot;I was just tired, you know? You... you ever been tired, Red?&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
With the war over, and no more distractions, Sandstorm went about his next plan of action: punishment. Having been left mentally scarred by what he had seen during the war, Sandstorm was determined to see all those who had committed &amp;quot;unspeakable acts&amp;quot; killed. Sandstorm first set his sights on [[Brisko]], [[Wilder (G1)|Wilder]], and [[Treadshot (IDW)|Treadshot]], murdering them for their massacre of the people of [[Traujor]] during the war. {{storylink|City of Steel (issue)|City of Steel}} Sandstorm then proceeded to murder [[Heavy Barrel (G1)|Heavy Barrel]] and [[Ransack (G2)|Ransack]] for siphoning [[Pseudo-energon]] from a small mechanical world, causing its inhabitants to starve, along with [[Stratotronic Jet|Stratotronic]] for massacring refugees under the Wreckers&#039; protection during the early days of the war. When Optimus Prime arrived in [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]]&#039;s bar, a hangout Sandstorm frequented, Sandstorm was quick to rebuke any affection his old comrade in arms showed him, making it clear to Prime that he was done with the Autobot cause. He &#039;&#039;did&#039;&#039;, however, accompany Prime to the murder scene, but not before secretly setting the bar on fire, killing Gutcruncher, who had accompanied Stratotronic in massacring refugees. When he arrived at the scene of Heavy Barrel&#039;s murder with Prime, he found a familiar shell casing (no points for guessing why he recognized it). Before he and Prime could investigate any further, a call came in from the Autobot [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], informing them that Gutcruncher&#039;s bar was on fire, unaware of Sandstorm&#039;s involvement. {{storylink|Fight or Flee (issue)|Fight or Flee}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Punishment SandstormSparkstalker.jpg|thumb|&amp;quot;You hit &#039;em and they get back up. I hit &#039;em and they stay down!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm was quick to blame the deaths of all of his &amp;quot;friends&amp;quot; on Optimus upon seeing the fire. Optimus put paid to the notion, explaining that Gutcruncher was likely killed by someone unhappy with his illegal [[Engex]] operations. After calming down, Sandstorm revealed to Prime that the bullet he &amp;quot;found&amp;quot; was an [[Infernus bullet]], a weapon created by the [[Firecon]]s, effectively making &#039;&#039;them&#039;&#039; the prime suspects in the murders. When the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] launched an all out attack against the Firecons, Sandstorm was more than happy to join in and &amp;quot;avenge&amp;quot; his &amp;quot;friends&amp;quot;. As the Dinobots beat down [[Flamefeather (G1)|Flamefeather]] and [[Cindersaur (G1)|Cindersaur]], Sandstorm was prevented from executing [[Sparkstalker]] by Optimus, who was alarmed at their actions. {{storylink|Quest for Fire}} After being denied his chance to kill Sparkstalker, Sandstorm allowed Prime to comfort him as he feigned guilt for nearly letting his emotions get the better of him. Sandstorm made sure to keep up this charade, continuing to berate himself. While he was doing this, Prime came to the conclusion that the Firecons were innocent as they did not need Infernus bullets to create fire, and departed to confront a &amp;quot;friend&amp;quot;. With Prime gone, Sandstorm set his sights on new targets, this time his fellow Autobots [[Skram (G2)|Skram]], [[Fireball]], [[Lander]], and [[Diver (G1)|Diver]] for razing entire &#039;&#039;planets&#039;&#039; that had helped the Decepticons during the war. As Optimus investigated, Sandstorm listened in on an argument between Prime and [[Slag (G1)|Slug]], learning that the Dinobots had &#039;&#039;also&#039;&#039; committed horrible atrocities during the war, and began plotting their deaths. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Punishment SandstormCaughtInTheAct.jpg|thumb|left|&amp;quot;&#039;&#039;One batch... two batch... Penny and dime...&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm waited until the Dinobots were alone to make his strike. Slug, angry with Optimus&#039;s rants against the Dinobots threatened to kill Optimus, and dragged the other Dinobots along with him to do the deed. Before they could, however, Sandstorm fired an Infernus bullet at them causing an explosion that sent them flying. However, to Sandstorm&#039;s surprise the Dinobots were rescued by Windblade and [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]. Optimus arrived, revealing that he had figured out Sandstorm was the murderer, and that revealing the Dinobots&#039; war crimes to be a ploy to lure him out. Enraged, and possibly a little bit crazed, Sandstorm fired upon Prime with an Infernus bullet, but, as soon as the bullet was fired, Sandstorm came to his senses and became ashamed. Optimus, uninjured, placed Sandstorm under arrest. Sandstorm tried to explain his actions, saying that after all he had seen during the war, he could not let the war crimes others had committed go unpunished, explaining how he had befriended the Decepticons in order to have an easier time killing them. He then asked Optimus how &#039;&#039;he&#039;&#039; could live knowing of the atrocities committed by his Autobots during the war, before fleeing. Optimus simply knocked out Sandstorm, saying that he tries &amp;quot;to stay grounded.&amp;quot; Sandstorm was then detained. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Salvation SandstormBattleDiary.jpg|thumb|upright=1.35|&amp;quot;I&#039;m smack-dab in the middle of my right [[Primus]]-damned mind, and any scumbag, any lowlife, any maggot piece of slag that I put down, I did it... because I liked it! Hell, I loved it!&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Starscream had Sandstorm locked up in his secret prison, believing his skills could come in handy someday. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] ended up in the cell below Sandstorm&#039;s. {{storylink|The Possible Light}} Starscream eventually offered him freedom in exchange for eliminating the Dinobots without getting Starscream in trouble with Optimus Prime, and Sandstorm agreed, already considering the Dinobots and Prime his enemies. He tracked them in the wilderness and successfully killed Slug before his hunt brought him to a fresh hot spot in [[Alyon]], where he encountered and was defeated by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]]. He awoke to find [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], but now aware of Bludgeon&#039;s plans to corrupt the hot spot&#039;s [[spark]]s, decided to put his mission aside and offer an alliance with the Dinobots. While Swoop agreed and accompanied Sandstorm to [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] where the Dinobots were confronting Bludgeon, they found on arrival that the other Dinobots were less keen on working with Slug&#039;s killer and attacked him. Having let Sandstorm live for this purpose, Bludgeon let them fight among themselves, only to learn they were faking it when Sandstorm suddenly lobbed [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]]&#039;s [[Energo weapon|energo-sword]] into his [[Void Scepter]], ending his plans. Freed from Bludgeon&#039;s mind control, Trypticon settled into the depths of Cybertron to let the sparks within him grow, and Sandstorm agreed to protect these sparks together with the Dinobots. {{storylink|The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TheDeadComeHomePart2 SandstormVSOptimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|&amp;quot;You know what I think of you, hero? I think you&#039;re a half-measure. I think you&#039;re a &#039;bot who can&#039;t finish the job. I think that you&#039;re a coward.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
At some point, Sandstorm received Springer&#039;s final message before the former Wreckers leader entered the [[Timemaze]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Requiem of the Wreckers|Requiem of the Wreckers}} He, [[Centurion (IDW)|Centurion]], and the Dinobots were brought into confrontation with Optimus Prime, [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]], [[G.B. Blackrock|Blackrock]], and the resurrected Slug after Bludgeon covertly used the Void Scepter to stoke their hostile emotions toward one another. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 1 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 1}} Optimus commented on the oddity of Sandstorm working with the Dinobots, given his attempt to kill them, but Sandstorm was more interested in throwing down with the Autobot commander himself. Centurion broke up their fight by punching Sandstorm, much to the [[Triple Changer]]&#039;s anger, but everyone soon stopped fighting after Trypticon emerged from Cybertron&#039;s depths. Agreeing that safeguarding the young [[protoform]]s within Trypticon took top priority, Optimus Prime declared them to be under his protection. Sandstorm was disgusted at what he saw as a political move on Prime&#039;s part, but ultimately stood down. {{storylink|The Dead Come Home, Part 2 (of 2)|The Dead Come Home, Part 2}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After [[space bridge|space-bridging]] to Earth aboard Trypticon, Sandstorm baby-sat the protoforms alongside Centurion during a battle between the [[Colonist Soldiers|colonist soldiers]] and the Dinobots. {{storylink|A Sunrise Dark}} He was present at a war council within Trypticon to determine how to effectively combat [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] and was among the attack force that confronted the planet-eater above Earth. {{storylink|Assembly (Unicron)|Assembly}} Sandstorm narrowly avoided an eye-beam from Unicron during the final battle. {{storylink|Ceremony}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Pop-upSandstormAVP.jpg|thumb|upright=0.7]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm was one of the many Autobots that pursued the [[AllSpark]] to Earth. He participated in an enormous battle against the Decepticons in a human settlement. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe|The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Commercial appearances==&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] came to the rescue of [[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] and [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], pinned down by a Decepticon attack. The Autobot triple-changers shifted quickly through their modes to keep pace with their fleeing enemies, the Decepticon triple-changers [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sandstorm, Broadside, Octane|Sandstorm, Broadside and Octane commercial}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Games==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Battle Tactics&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BattleTacticsSandstorm.jpg|thumb|380px]]&lt;br /&gt;
Sandstorm participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Rare character that could be recruited by collecting 110 units of Cybermetal, 60 units of Transmetal, and 35 hunter cores.{{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Frontiers&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Transformers: Earth Wars&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sandstorm_Earth_Wars.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Class&#039;&#039;&#039;: Triple Changer&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Lowest Star Rating:&#039;&#039;&#039; 2 star &lt;br /&gt;
*Abilities: As a triple changer, Sandstorm has two abilities available to him. &lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;&#039;Tar Sands Rush&#039;&#039;&#039;: Rush into combat and release toxic tar sands in a large zone on impact. Deal 61.6 damage over 10 seconds to enemies and provide 114 extra healing over 5 secs to all Autobots under the Supply Airdrop effect.&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;&#039;Supply Airdrop&#039;&#039;&#039;: Drops fuel supply from the air. Within a large area, all Autobots receive 114 healing for 10 seconds and all Decepticons buildings under the Tar Sands Rush effect receive an extra 61.6 damage over 5 seconds[-].&lt;br /&gt;
[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:sandstorm Sandstorm at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:G1 Sandstorm toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He&#039;s like one of those kids that wears a propeller hat.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Triple Changer, [[1986]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Takara ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;C-83&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: &amp;quot;[[Sandblaster gun]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Released in the third year of Hasbro&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]&#039;&#039; toyline, [[Triple Changer]] Sandstorm can transform from a robot to either a &amp;quot;sand rail&amp;quot; dune buggy or a Sikorsky CH-53 Sea Stallion transport/search and rescue helicopter and back. Like many 1986 Transformers, there are two different versions; the initial releases use painted [[die-cast]] metal for his front bumper/[[robot mode]] feet, while the more common later releases have orange-colored plastic.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Uncommon for a &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; toy, Sandstorm&#039;s side window stickers appear to depict a helmeted human driver.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Sandstorm/sandstorm.htm More information on Sandstorm at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Triple Changer, [[1991]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: &amp;quot;Sandblaster gun&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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: Sandstorm was re-released in the European/Australian &#039;&#039;[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]&#039;&#039; reissue line in 1991. This [[variant|version]] has his black plastic feet painted orange.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Unlike many toys with [[rubsign]] indents that were reissued in the Classics series, Sandstorm&#039;s indent was &#039;&#039;not&#039;&#039; [[retool]]ed out; however, the rubsign itself was not included.&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Machine Wars&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MW-toy Sandstorm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He really blends in with all the foliage in the sky.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a2|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Mega, [[1997]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: Left &amp;amp; right cannons, rotor blade&lt;br /&gt;
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:A [[redeco]] of the European-line [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Rotorstorm (G1)#Toys|Rotorstorm]] toy, &#039;&#039;[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]&#039;&#039; Sandstorm transforms into a Cybertronian helicopter with a US Air Force roundel added to his helicopter mode. Due to the small missiles of Rotorstorm failing US [[For safety reasons|choke gate]] tests, the turbine launchers were [[retool]]ed (well, more like &amp;quot;entirely gutted&amp;quot;) into non-firing cannons, with no missiles included. A button on the back of the rotor housing drops down both engines/cannons for an &amp;quot;attack mode&amp;quot; feature.&lt;br /&gt;
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: In robot mode, Sandstorm has quite restricted articulation, and holds his turbine launchers in his hands. He can also hold his rotor blade as a somewhat odd [[sword]]. The original Rotorstorm [[sticker]]s were not properly redecoed to match the new &#039;&#039;Machine Wars&#039;&#039; color scheme, resulting in black stickers that are left indistinguishable on his black gauntlets.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Like all the other &#039;&#039;Machine Wars&#039;&#039; toys, Sandstorm was sold [[exclusive]]ly at [[KB Toys]] and, later, at the related Toy Liquidator stores.&lt;br /&gt;
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: This mold was later redecoed (and given further-retooled-into-functionality launchers) to make &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]&#039;&#039; [[Whirl (Universe)#Toys|Whirl]]. This toy was also [[repurposing|repurposed]] as the [[Sandstorm drone]]s.&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Autobot/Sandstorm/sandstorm.htm More information on Machine Wars Sandstorm at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Generationstoy-SandstormGDO.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|So [[Sandstorm (TF 2010)|Movie Sandstorm]] gets a redeco of a G1 guy, and G1 Sandstorm gets a redeco of a Movie guy. Okayyyyy.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Scout, [[2012]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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:&#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]&#039;&#039; Sandstorm is a redeco of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]&#039;&#039; [[Dune Runner (ROTF)#Toys|Dune Runner]], transforming into a vehicle based on the [[Sector Seven]] dune buggies seen in the [[Transformers (film)|2007 &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; film]], which were heavily modified Chenowth Desert Patrol Vehicles (DPV) with added protective armor. This same vehicle also served as the basis for the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)|2007 movie toyline]]&#039;s [[Landmine (Movie)#Toys|Landmine]]. The twin gatling guns mounted on Sandstorm&#039;s roof/shoulders have multi-jointed armatures for different firing positions.&lt;br /&gt;
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: Originally developed by Hasbro Asia for release in their territories, Sandstorm was brought to the US with many other toys as [[Toys&amp;quot;R&amp;quot;Us]] exclusives for the 2012 holiday season.&lt;br /&gt;
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: This mold was also used to make &#039;&#039;Revenge of the Fallen&#039;&#039; [[Beachcomber (ROTF)|Beachcomber]], and &#039;&#039;[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers:]] [[Hunt for the Decepticons]]&#039;&#039; [[Crankstart#Toys|Crankstart]] and [[Rollbar (RPM)#Transformers (2010)|Rollbar]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/GDOSandstorm/sandstorm.htm More information on &#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039; Sandstorm at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Generationstoy-VoyagerSandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now made of delicious cheese.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Voyager, [[2013]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Series / Number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;02 / 003&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; rifle, missile&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Joe Kyde]] (Hasbro)|[[Nick Roche]] (concept artist)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the fourth wave of [[2012]]-[[2013]] &#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039; Voyager Class toys, &#039;&#039;[[Thrilling 30]]&#039;&#039; Sandstorm is a redeco and heavy [[retool]] of Voyager [[Springer (G1)/toys#Voyager|Springer]], and is a Triple Changer, transforming into a robot, VTOL aircraft, and dune buggy. He comes with a blaster which can fire its missile via pressure-launch, peg via [[5 mm post|5mm post]] onto his hands and back, and mount underneath his aircraft nose.&lt;br /&gt;
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:Sandstorm&#039;s panels align better than on Springer, especially in his [[Alternate mode|car mode]]. One notable and curious change involves the little dents inside the side-chest pieces: initially intended to hold the blade of the sword in his car mode, Springer&#039;s ones weren&#039;t able to do the job perfectly because of the asymmetrical shape of the sword, making it unable to fit inside the symmetrical dents. Sandstorm&#039;s side-chest dents, on the other hand have been modified to be asymmetrical, allowing the blade of Springer&#039;s sword to fit in better. This is, nevertheless, a pointless difference, as Sandstorm doesn&#039;t come with his own heli-sword and doesn&#039;t have the same kneecaps as Springer that allow the handle of Springer&#039;s sword to be fitted in.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The original version of this mold was also used to make &#039;&#039;[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]&#039;&#039; [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Cloud|Hot Rodimus]] and it was retooled into [[BotCon 2015]] [[Battletrap (G1)#Timelines|Battletrap]]. It also served as the basis of the non-toy &#039;&#039;Beast Wars: Uprising&#039;&#039; incarnations of [[Dinobot (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Dynobot]] and [[Grimlock (G1)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Grimlock]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenSandstorm/sandstorm.htm More information on &amp;quot;Thrilling 30&amp;quot; Sandstorm at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039; (Japan)===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Generations-JP-TG-29-Sandstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Voyager, [[2013]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;ID number:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;TG-29&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Release date&#039;&#039;: [[December 28]], 2013&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories:&#039;&#039; rifle, missile&lt;br /&gt;
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:Part of the twelfth wave of [[TakaraTomy]]&#039;s [[Transformers: Generations (Japan)|&#039;&#039;Generations&#039;&#039;]], Sandstorm features much more orange in his color layout than his western &#039;&#039;Thrilling 30&#039;&#039; counterpart: his canopy/roof, wings, crotch, feet, rifle and missile are all rendered orange. There are also some other minor changes, such as a centered Autobot sigil and a painted silver bumper.&lt;br /&gt;
{{GenerationsSpringerMold}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Kre-O&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:KreO-Toy SandstormKreon.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Kreon Micro-Changer, [[2014]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Bag number&#039;&#039;: &#039;&#039;&#039;33501 42&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: stand brick, buildable pistol&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Ed Masiello]] (Hasbro)}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:Part of the fourth assortment of [[blindpacking|blind-bagged]] [[Kreon]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, Sandstorm can be rebuilt from robot to helicopter mode.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: If you&#039;re feeling punchy, you could probably finagle a dune buggy mode for him, just add some wheels and other parts. That&#039;s the play pattern, after all!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: He reuses the [[Sideswipe (Kre-O)|Sideswipe]] helmet.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
::*&#039;&#039;[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OSandstorm/sandstorm.htm More information on Sandstorm at TFU.info]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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===&#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Legacy-United-Leader-Sandstorm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|With [[Hound (G1)/toys#Buzzworthy Bumblebee|Hound MIA]], Sandstorm was put in charge of capturing Ravage.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-a1|&#039;&#039;&#039;G1 Triple Changer Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (Leader Class, [[2024]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*Accessories: &amp;quot;Sandblaster gun&amp;quot;, pistol, roll cage/rescue stretcher&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Koki Yamada]] (TakaraTomy)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://www.instagram.com/markclonus/p/C3RMSAAMAlo/ Design notes on &#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039; Sandstorm] from [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]] on Instagram.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;|[[Matthew Cohen]] (photography)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{citesocial|quote=Honing in on Transformers! Here&#039;s my photos of the newly revealed Legacy United Leader Sandstorm! This shoot represents my first serious Transformers dio since joining the company. Hopefully the first of more to come!|link=https://www.instagram.com/p/C3B7Zp5s-Ao/|site=Instagram|name=Matthew Cohen|year=2024|month=2|day=6}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Released in the second wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]]&#039;&#039; Leader Class toys, &amp;quot;G1 Triple Changer Sandstorm&amp;quot; amalgamates elements of his original toy and his animation model, once again transforming into either a Baja buggy or a rescue helicopter, though the latter is decidedly less Sikorsky-like than the original toy.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Like [[Beachcomber (G1)#Legacy|&#039;&#039;Legacy: Evolution&#039;&#039; Beachcomber]], the tires of his buggy mode are made of PVC plastic for smoother rolling. The buggy&#039;s roll cage separates to become a rescue stretcher with a functional winch for his helicopter mode, which he can also hold in robot mode to &amp;quot;capture&amp;quot; smaller figures. This assembly, like [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|&#039;&#039;Siege&#039;&#039; Astrotrain]]&#039;s coal car arsenal and [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Legacy|&#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039; Blitzwing]]&#039;s Energon gauntlets, is meant to &amp;quot;fill out&amp;quot; his price point without making the main figure oversized. Speaking of extras, his small pistol is modeled after the soldering iron tool Sandstorm uses to cut jail cell bars while imprisoned in &amp;quot;[[Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Sandstorm was revealed by IGN on [[February 6]], [[2024]].&lt;br /&gt;
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::*&#039;&#039;[https://www.instagram.com/markclonus/p/C3RMSAAMAlo/ Designer commentary on &#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039; Sandstorm from Mark Maher on Instagram]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Merchandise==&lt;br /&gt;
===Transformers Trading Card Game===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:W4SpecialistSandstorm.jpg|thumb]]&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;&#039;Specialist Sandstorm, Special Ops-Advance Guard&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[2019]])&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;&#039;Wave 4: War for Cybertron: Siege II&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Rarity: &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;CT&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Card Number: &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;T50/T52&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
**&#039;&#039;Stars: &#039;&#039;11&lt;br /&gt;
:Specialist Sandstorm, Special Ops-Advance Guard is one of 52 character cards released as part of Wave 4 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], War for Cybertron: Siege II. In order to depict the [[Triple Changer]] nature of the character, Specialist Sandstorm, Special Ops-Advance Guard is a folding card, with both Alt Modes depicted when the card is folded in half, and Bot Mode depicted when the card is unfolded.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:The card features original artwork for all three modes, with line-art by [[Dan Khanna]] and colors by [[Volta]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*Sandstorm&#039;s animation model has a color scheme pretty blatantly based on the toy minus &#039;&#039;all&#039;&#039; of the stickers... including the windows. Oops.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Italian names for Sandstorm and Springer were subject to a massive mix-up of &amp;quot;[[FIRRIB]]&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;[[Back#Notes|Back/Forth]]&amp;quot; dimensions. While [[GiG]]&#039;s toy packaging, including the [[bio]]s/[[Tech Spec]]s, consistently called Sandstorm by the name &amp;quot;Bora&amp;quot; and Springer by the name &amp;quot;Ghibli&amp;quot;, the [[instructions]] had their names switched. Advertising for the toys used the names featured in the instructions, as did the Italian dub of the cartoon. As a result, Italian fans generally consider the names on the toys&#039; packaging an &amp;quot;error&amp;quot;, but unless internal documentation is discovered, it&#039;s virtually impossible to tell what GiG&#039;s original intention was. Anyway, given that the dubbing agency got their directions directly from GiG, it is fairly logical to assume that GiG had established the Springer/Bora and Sandstorm/Ghibli adaptation, while the boxing process switched the names and the bios (in fact &amp;quot;Ghibli&amp;quot; is described as having the ability to perform amazing jumps).&lt;br /&gt;
*Sandstorm&#039;s lone appearance in &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe|The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe]]&#039;&#039; is pretty well hidden, only showing up on a paper flap behind the one featuring Inferno, Blaster, and Scrounge, on the book&#039;s third page, which itself is only viewable when a tab is pulled to unfold a display of Cybertron. On top of that, Sandstorm is only seen in alternate mode as a MH-53 Pave Low, which appears to be based directly on [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] from the [[Transformers (film)|2007 live action &#039;&#039;Transformers&#039;&#039; film]]. Except completely yellow. In fact, the Pave Low Autobot had no clear identity until an entry of the Facebook edition of [[Ask Vector Prime]], written with input from [[Matthew Reinhart|the author]], declared it to be an [[Iocus]] version of [[Primax]] Sandstorm.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Sandstorm&#039;&#039;&#039; (サンドストーム &#039;&#039;Sandosutōmu&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;French:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Siroco&#039;&#039;&#039; (Canada, &amp;quot;{{w|Sirocco}}&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Hungarian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Homokvihar&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Sandstorm&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Italian:&#039;&#039;  &#039;&#039;&#039;Ghibli&#039;&#039;&#039; (toy instructions, advertising and cartoon), &#039;&#039;&#039;Bora&#039;&#039;&#039; (toy packaging)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Mandarin:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Shābào&#039;&#039;&#039; (沙暴, &amp;quot;Sandstorm&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Russian:&#039;&#039; &#039;&#039;&#039;Zatvor&#039;&#039;&#039; (Затвор, &amp;quot;Shutter&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Sandstorm cartoon model.jpg|&#039;&#039;The Transformers&#039;&#039; cartoon model&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
{{reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Classics Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Generations]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:IDW (2005) Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:KB Toys exclusives]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Kreons]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legacy Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Machine Wars Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Marvel Generation 1 Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Reconnaissance specialists]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Regeneration One Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Triple Changers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Wreckers]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>TheDarkMage10218</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Shard</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;TheDarkMage10218: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:&#039;&#039;Shard is an [[Armorizer]] from the [[Infernac Universe]] by way of the [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]] toyline.&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Legacy-United-Deluxe-Shard-art.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|She&#039;s not a rock!  She&#039;s a rock copter!]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Shard&#039;&#039;&#039; is made of [[death crystal]]s from the planet [[Dread (planet)|Dread]]!&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Fanstream&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[March 21]], 2024&#039;s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPkQZZ4zasE Hasbro Pulse | Transformers 40th Anniversary Fanstream | March 21, 2024] on YouTube, with [[Ben MacCrae]], [[Mark Maher]] and [[Evan Brooks]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  With double death crystal blades on each arm, she&#039;s one Rock Lady you&#039;d better watch out for.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{TOCclear}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Toys==&lt;br /&gt;
===&#039;&#039;Legacy&#039;&#039;===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:TF-Legacy-United-Deluxe-Shard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|&amp;quot;And we&#039;ve got a [[Pokeformers|Glimmora]] lead! Wow, I&#039;ve never seen that before!&amp;quot; &#039;&#039;(Well, at least they remembered to &#039;&#039;lead&#039;&#039; with Glimmora, unlike a certain champion...)&#039;&#039;]]&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;ul class=&amp;quot;iconlist&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{Bp-multi|&#039;&#039;&#039;Infernac Universe Shard&#039;&#039;&#039; (Deluxe, [[2024]])}}&amp;lt;/ul&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;TakaraTomy name&#039;&#039;: &lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;TakaraTomy ID number&#039;&#039;: &lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;TakaraTomy release date&#039;&#039;: &lt;br /&gt;
:*&#039;&#039;Accessories&#039;&#039;: 2 turbine cannons, 4 rotor blades/swords&lt;br /&gt;
{{toydesigner|[[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Takio Ejima]] (TakaraTomy)}}&amp;lt;ref name = &amp;quot;Fanstream&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Released in the second wave of &#039;&#039;[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy: United]]&#039;&#039; Deluxes, Shard transforms from rocky robot to a rocky helicopter. These rocky growths are meant to represent [[death crystals]]. Her rotor blades separate from the main rotor to form hand-held swords (though they must be held sideways, as a tab prevents them from being held normally), while the turbines become (non-firing) cannons. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: As an [[Armorizer]], Shard can also disassemble into a variety of rocky chunks, forming weapons and armor to attach to other figures via [[5 mm post]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: Shard appeared for sale from CMDstore on [[March 8]], [[2024]], before an official Hasbro reveal.  [[Stock photography]] of the toy depicts a non-final color scheme lacking the blue sections.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
*Shard is inspired by the [[Rock Lord]] [[Solitaire]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Fanstream&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*She was the first Armorizer Hasbro designer Mark Maher designed.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Fanstream&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
===Foreign names===&lt;br /&gt;
*&#039;&#039;Japanese&#039;&#039;: &lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
{{reflist}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Armorizers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Female Transformers]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Legacy characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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