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2012-07-06T21:08:47Z

Thelastallosaur: New page: If my entire legacy is correcting a couple of details about Bot Shots, so be it.

If my entire legacy is correcting a couple of details about Bot Shots, so be it.

Talk:Bot Shots (toyline)

2012-07-06T20:52:41Z

Thelastallosaur: /* Super Bots not better? */

So one day Hasbro decided, full out, "How can we break TFWiki's brains," and created these little guys that are a continuity family's worst nightmare: http://www.allspark.com/content/view/9850/20/ --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:00, 19 January 2012 (EST)
: I guess, really, they'll probably go in with Aligned, even though it's guys with G1 heads featuring movie characters like Barricade and DOTM Sentinel Prime. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:01, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::I think that would be the best and easiest solution, yes. (Does Sentinel Zeta Prime count as "Sentinel Prime"?) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:26, 19 January 2012 (EST)
:::God dammit, Aaron. I will hate you forever. -[[User:LV|LV]] 14:14, 19 January 2012 (EST)
::::On the bright side, if they're part of Aligned, the articles don't get an unfortunate parenthetical. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:36, 19 January 2012 (EST)
:In non Sentinel Prime news, I suspect they'll be sold in packaging that matches something else. But if not, well, we knew this day was coming sooner or later. -[[User:LV|LV]] 22:46, 19 January 2012 (EST)

Not going to work too well, as a number of the figures now revealed clearly take designs ques from other lines. Jetfire, for instance, is clearly G1-based. Lockdown is from the movie line. Topspin is from Dark of the Moon. Mirage is... confused. For the time being, I changed the character links to match the closest 'source' for each figure, but I imagine that Bot Shots will either have it's own play brand (like RPMs) anyway. Either that, or Walky's brain will explode. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 14:53, 30 January 2012 (EST)
:It does seem like a multiversal toyline ala Robot Heroes. We'll need to amend the note if we're going to treat it that way though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:37, 30 January 2012 (EST)
::Personally, I would just wait for ToyFair and see how Hasbro's officially selling it and have done with it. It's only a couple of weeks away now, anyway. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 15:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)
:::The Bot Shots Prime looks much more like an amalgamation of various versions of the character, to me. He has a cab that looks a heck of a lot more like Armada Prime's vehicle mode, even with a robot mode that skews closer to G1. [[Special:Contributions/141.218.8.33|141.218.8.33]] 20:42, 30 January 2012 (EST)
::I think we can call it settled now. Bot Shots are their own subline, according to their packaging. (www.allspark.com). So, they're effectively either NOT in continuity, like Robot Heroes, or are their OWN continuity... let the admin figure that one out! - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 13:26, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:::RPMs are their own line, and yet RPMs is not its own continuity family. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 1 February 2012 (EST)
::::RPMs were also almost completely made of movie characters that looked like their movie versions, with only a couple of exceptions. Bot Shots have, so far, ZERO characters that look like their Prime counterparts. In fact, the designs are all over the place, with G1 or the movies getting the bulk of the attention. - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)
::::I'll admit I'm only basing this on the cardback image Rhinox posted on the 'Spark, but would that mean the Bot Shots Sentinel Prime is the same Sentinel as the Kre-O one? Because that's the one it ressembles. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:::::May I recommend the 'Aligned by default, unless they obviously go elsewhere' treatment?
::::::But, so far, none of the toys actually are of the 'aligned' continuity... - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:::::Also can we ask which continuity [[Sky Lynx (Energon Wars)]] belongs to for one of our Hasbro Q&A's? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:49, 1 February 2012 (EST)
::::::Movie-Verse. This was already fielded on WOTC's forums. (Edit: Just to clarify this point, the ENTIRE Energon Wars set is part of licensing for the movie line. That means that Optimus Primal and Beast Megatron, from this set, are officially movie-verse as well. Probably not the best logic to go with for the wiki, though.) - [[User:Vanguard|Vanguard]] 14:21, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:::::::The Movieverse crossed over with the Beast Wars already. Just try to think of it in that context. ;) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:36, 6 February 2012 (EST)
I think making them all Aligned is a pretty terrible idea. I also think making them their own universe when they almost certainly won't have any unique fiction or characterization is terrible, especially when many of them are based on really specific models. We DID assign Attacktix figures to their own various continuity families, so it's not without precedence. But if we do that, there WILL be arguments. -[[User:LV|LV]] 21:05, 1 February 2012 (EST)
:I would present [[Sentinel Prime (Kre-O)]] as our model here.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:29, 1 February 2012 (EST)
::Kre-O is a different issue because Kre-O somewhat implausibly has both individual character profiles and a not insignificant amount of "fiction". -[[User:LV|LV]] 23:14, 1 February 2012 (EST)

<nowiki>*facepalm*</nowiki> Okay, Bumblebee and Prime currently link to their G1 selves, I guess. Well, sure, that's because their heads are very Classicsy, but that's all that's classicsy. Bumblebee's body is very strongly movie based, as is Optimus Prime's, and they both transform into vehicles that most closely resemble their movie versions. And yet, you know, G1 heads. Putting either "G1" or "Movie" down as their continuity-of-origin seems incredibly dishonest. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:19, 6 February 2012 (EST)
:Could we just link them to the Disambig pages. That kinda works for me.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 20:26, 6 February 2012 (EST)
::Sure, why not. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:32, 6 February 2012 (EST)
::It doesn't really solve the question of whose pages the actual toy writeups go on. -[[User:LV|LV]] 20:58, 6 February 2012 (EST)
:::Maybe it would just be simpler to have "Optimus Prime (BS)" :P --[[User:Abates|abates]] 22:46, 6 February 2012 (EST)
::::I dunno, that sounds pretty made up to me. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:49, 6 February 2012 (EST)
::::I feel like toys that don't obviously fit into only one continuity are going to be an increasingly common occurrence, since Transformers is exploding and continuity-nitpickery isn't Hasbro's deal, and I'm not sure I want to create a new continuity family every time that happens. That's why I was in favor of the Aligned designation for these guys to begin with, because Aligned as-existing is this mixmatch of styles that presents itself differently visually in various media as it pleases. WFC Prime is Prime Prime is RB Prime. I still feel like Bot Shots fits best into that world. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:12, 6 February 2012 (EST)
:::::I agree. I think it's simply easier to default to Aligned unless it's evident otherwise. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 23:23, 6 February 2012 (EST)
::::::Aligned-until-proven-different seems like a sane approach. IIRC Hasbro's made noises about Aligned being the new 'unified' continuity they're trying to fit everything into when possible. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 03:02, 7 February 2012 (EST)
::::::I'm in favor of this approach. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:51, 7 February 2012 (EST)
:::::::I think that's logical and is likely what we'll go with. The only other option I can see working decently is to put all the Bot Shot toys on the Bot Shots page. Making their subline/game more in portent than the fictional (without fiction) character they represent. I doubt we'll go with that, as the previous option seems more "our style" but just throwing it out there as one other way to go.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:29, 7 February 2012 (EST)
I think it may be time to reopen this discussion. It seems increasingly obvious that these have little to nothing to do with the Aligned versions of their respective characters, nor with any of our other continuities. I believe it's time to split these guys off onto their own pages. - [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 23:50, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
:I'm leaning pretty damn heavy now to having the Bot Shots be their own thing. Since we DO have character bios and a bit of fiction thanks to the online game... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:52, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
::I agree. -[[User:LV|LV]] 00:28, 10 June 2012 (EDT)
:::If there are no objections, I'll start switching things over tomorrow. - [[User:Shellspark|Shellspark]] 13:13, 11 June 2012 (EDT)

== Parts reuse ==

How much parts reuse should be noted with Bot Shots? Looking at Brawl and the tank Megatrons, it looks like they share the same arm pieces, and it looks like Barricade and Mirage share arms, car bodies and legs... --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 05:29, 10 March 2012 (EST)
:Upon closer inspection, it looks like Barricade, Mirage and Bumblebee all share the same car body, arms and legs. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 03:22, 11 March 2012 (EDT)

== Super Bots not better? ==

Compairing the stat numbers on Super Bot vs. Normal Sentinel Prime. I don't think the Super Bot is really "more powerful" at all. The Stats are different but that's all I'd say. Can anyone compair Super BB to Normal and see if they're the same as well? We might want to change that bit. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 17:53, 12 April 2012 (EDT)
:Regardless of whether we take "more powerful" to mean having a higher total score between the three stats or to have one particularly high stat, the super bots are not especially powerful, SB Megatron is actually weaker than the launcher Megatron in both regards. Their overall scores are actually very similar to those of the normal or three pack figures. Sentinel presents an odd case though, his stats are noticeably higher in both regards. Perhaps rather than claiming that all super bot shots have higher stats it would be better to note that super bot Sentinel's (and only Sentinel's) are abnormally high. [[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 16:52, 6 July 2012 (EDT)

== No Article for the Online Game? Should it go here? ==
We really have no article about the Botshot's online video game after this long? Should it be added here or get it's own page? It's kinda an important tie in to the toys. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:05, 12 May 2012 (EDT)
:It should have its own page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:17, 12 May 2012 (EDT)

Megatron (BS)

2012-07-06T20:30:24Z

Thelastallosaur: Corrected details on super bot Megatron, having the toy in hand made it clear that the information was incorrect.

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Megatron}}
:''Megatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].''
==Toys==
===Bot Shots===
[[Image:Bot Shots S1 BP004 Megatron.jpg|thumb|300px|]]
*'''Nemesis Prime / Megatron / Acid Storm''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BP004'''
***''Fist strength'': '''170'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''820'''
***''Sword strength'': '''625'''

:''[[Bot Shots]]'' Megatron is a teeny tank that borrows some elements from both the ''War for Cybertron'' and ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Megatron designs. He has a spring-loaded automatic transformation to robot mode triggered when his front is pressed and a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. He was only available in a three-pack with [[Nemesis Prime (BS)|Nemesis Prime]] and [[Acid Storm (BS)|Acid Storm]].

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*'''Megatron Launcher''' (Launcher, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BL002'''
***''Fist strength'': '''530'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''900'''
***''Sword strength'': '''210'''

:A redeco of the ''Bot Shots'' tank Megatron mold in bronze with a large "trailer" tank body extension that transforms into a battle station with a launcher mechanism. The large, non-firing cannon on the launcher has detailing reminiscent of the original [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s [[fusion cannon]].

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[[Image:Bot_Shots_Super_Bot_Megatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]
*'''Megatron''' (Bot Shot, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''Super Bot 003'''
***''Fist strength'': '''285'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''465'''
***''Sword strength'': '''870'''

:Cast in translucent dark green plastic, "Super Bot" Megatron is an extensive retool of [[Optimus Prime (BS)|Optimus Prime]], transforming into a semi-truck with trailer, taking inspiration from the ''[[Kre-O]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Megatrons. He features a new hood, grille and "trailer" section in truck mode and a new head and chest in robot mode. Whilst virtually identical from the front, the head is not the same one used on the tank Megatrons, as it is molded as one part with the chestpiece. Additionally, the back of the head is a different shape so as to fit in the truck mode hood. Unlike Super Bot [[Sentinel Prime (BS)|Sentinel Prime]], Megatron's non-functional wheels have been painted black to match his rolling ones. Like the rest of the line, he has a spring-loaded transformation and a spinning stat dial in its chest. As a Super Bot, he was packed one per case and had slightly higher stats than an average Bot Shot figure.

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*'''Battle for the Matrix''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''???'''
***''Fist strength'': '''???'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''???'''
***''Sword strength'': '''???'''

: This version of Megatron is a multi-pack release of the Megatron Launcher in black and gold.

: The set also comes with [[Optimus Prime (BS)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Optimus Prime with his launcher]], [[Brawl (BS)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Brawl]], and [[Bumblebee (BS)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Bumblebee]], as well as a [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] prize.

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Dead End (ROTF)

2009-07-08T15:29:00Z

Thelastallosaur:

{{factions|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Dead End}}

:''Dead End is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

{{mainpic|June 2009}}

'''Dead End''' is not very popular among his fellow [[Decepticon]]s. This his hardly surprising since he has been known to siphon their energy off if they aren't careful. Dead End is as creepy as they come. He crawls on all fours and keeps to the shadows. He isn't really capable of carrying on an ordinary conversation. When he has something to say at all, it is something strange or gloomy.

He is also known as '''Detour'''.

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==Toys==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
====Scout Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Scout_DeadEnd_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Invisible boulder weapon sold separately.]]
*'''Dead End''' or '''Detour''' (Scout Class, 2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-07'''
:Dead End converts from a modified red and black [http://www.carsbase.com/photo/Peugeot_9009_Concept_model_6893.html Peugeot 9009] concept car to a robot with a bird-like head vaguely resembling Hawkman's mask/helmet. Interestingly, while Dead End has no neck articulation, he does have a movable ''jaw''; the entire top of his head hinges backward, revealing a lower jaw and teeth. However, added plastic (most likely for safety reasons) makes his chest-plate unable to fold down all the way. As a result, many owners don't even see Dead End's lower jaw, and assume the upper jaw to be the entire head. It is possible to hinge the full head upwards by pulling on the lower jaw's cheek detailing.
{{-}}

====Deluxe Class Toys====
[[Image:ROTF_Deluxe_DeadEnd_toy.jpg|thumb|250px|Black goes with ''everything''.]]
*'''Dead End''' (Deluxe Class, 2009)

:Deluxe class Dead End is a [[retool]] and [[redeco]] of ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' [[Sideways (ROTF)|Sideways]].

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==Notes==
* Before solid information regarding the name of the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' Scout Class toy became available, sellers of stolen [[prototype]]s alternatively referred to him as "Detour" and "Dead End". Eventually the latter name won out... but ultimately it turned out the name "Detour" hadn't come out of thin air either: Some European releases of the toy feature the name "Detour" on the cardboard insert on the packaging's front (the cardback and the instruction sheet still call him "Dead End", however). At least one sample has even been found at US retail, with a misapplied European insert.[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/revenge-of-the-fallen-dead-enddetour-packaging-variant-167633/]

* From what can be gathered on the scout toy's bio, it seems Dead End is some sort of vampire that feeds on other transformers and that is awesome.

[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Toy-only characters]]

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-07-03T19:32:09Z

Thelastallosaur: /* Five/Six Contacts Error */

Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? {{unsigned|Godziboy1993}}
:They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. [[User:Godziboy1993|Godziboy1993]] 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.
:Because it is '''illegally acquired information'''. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases ''official photographs'' of the toys. To find out more, refer to [[Help:Official info]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Paramount pictures cast list. ==

[http://l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/83/a2/9019_3705651155.jpg?y=660&x=616&q=75&n=0&sig=Zvqw8NxIBWHyJFhaLEhOeQ-- This poster] looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. {{unsigned|GUIGUI|17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT}}
::I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?{{unsigned|Godziboy1993|19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT}}
:Who knows? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Japanese world premiere. ==

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are <nowiki>[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]</nowiki>? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:You'd better be joking. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transmitter at official site==

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==How about an actual article?==
This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

:In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.
:That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've ''seen them in the trailer''. '''ETA:''' If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

::At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the ''content of the fiction itself'' and ''the characters'' starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

==UK Release 19th June = World Premiere==
As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan ==

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Score==
Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at [http://www.amazon.de/Transformers-Revenge-Fallen-Score/dp/B002DDIXLA/ref=sr_shvl_album_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245109298&sr=301-2 Amazon Germany's listing]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no" ==

Source: [http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Press conference from German premiere]

Translation:

:''Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.''

:''But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.''

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

:What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.{{unsigned|173.11.36.165|10:02, 24 June 2009}}
::You are [[wikipedia:Bundeswehr|mistaken]], sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Errors and Inconsistencies==
I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Basic outline here: [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline]]. Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unnamed Decepticons ==

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was ''incredibly'' lax on providing names for characters.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Mysterious voice credits ==
Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -[[User:LV|LV]] 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --
:::Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be ''that'' odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)[[User:Eire]] 15.57 25th June 09

:Reedman ''has'' to be the raptor-like thing formed by the [[Marble bot|Marble bots]]. He's a reed-thin man.
:Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''Skip''jack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... ''*runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*''
::::No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.
::::Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::As it transpires, yes. [http://www.aciphex.com/ This interview] (search for "Skipjack") makes it pretty clear that Skipjack was the working name for the red bulldozer identified onscreen as Rampage. So it's a Demolishor/Wheelbot situation, apparently. Disappointing resolution, especially since it still leaves us with two bulldozers named Rampage. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I.... theeeenk you may have got your link wrong, there? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[https://www.editorsguild.com/FromtheGuild.cfm?FromTheGuildid=84 He probably meant this one.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::THe sad thing is that I can't even come up with a funny rationale for the link to AcipHex here. (I was originally linking it elsewhere because the TV won't stop telling me to try Ass Effects - guess it stayed in my clipboard.) FAiled. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance''
:::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/41048.html Some douchebag] posted bootleg screencaps of the Laurentian Abyss sequence on his blog.
:::While not appropriate for inclusion here as a ''primary source'', useful for IDing nonetheless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I should probably post what I did on LJ here. Re: the last photo - those claws don't look anything alike. That's no game-only generic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And ''I'' should probably post what I did on LJ here. The game-model and movie-model for Constructicon Scout are different (thus the clamps not matching) but Constructicon Scout is ''definitely'' in the movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Cs_scrapper.jpg|thumb]]
:::As Walky so bluntly put it-- "It's scrapper."
:::Or rather- the Constructicon Scout is based on Scrapper. An extra layer of confusion is added because the Scrapper toy lacks the giant arms that the CS has-- ''and'' [http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzji3l.gif the character in the movie has]. But since there's only one Scraper toy that Transformes, apparently we're treating his truncated arms as a concession to toy engineering.
:::So would it be ''more accurate'' to say that Scrapper ''is'' a Constructicon Scout? Or is physically identical to them? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:06, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
I don't know if this helps, but in the somewhat inaccurate comic version of the movie, Ravage, Long Haul, and Scrapper are clearly seen jumping off the boat, so it may mean Scrapper is "the little one?[[Special:Contributions/71.199.127.210|71.199.127.210]] 13:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==It's UpGrade Time==
So, can we start working on this now or what? [[User:Eire]] 12.44 June 24 09
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Foreign titles ==

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: They shouldn't be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:: The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::: That's different enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::: Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.[[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trivia cull ==

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it ''should'' be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Not-Bonecrusher ==

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually [[Constructicon Scout]]. Is that a safe guess to go with? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
: I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:: I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.[[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::It was definitely a use of the CGI Bonecrusher model in robot mode. [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*swears*</nowiki> I was hoping it was the Constructicon Scout, but he has a different robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You can definitely see Bonecrusher's vehicle mode rolling in with the other Decepticons. I don't recall seeing his robot mode, but then again, he looks quite similar in robot mode to a bunch of Constructicons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:42, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
So I saw it again in IMAX. That's definitely Bonecrusher rolling in.
# His remains weren't among those being disposed of after the first movie.
# We've got a toy bio stating he survived.
# He's ''in'' the ^&*( second film.
Baring Hasbro releasing a redeco and declaring this a new character, it looks like Bonecrusher really ''did'' survive. And until that happens, I'm going with the face-value reading and removing the "a Bonecrusher lookalike" note in the cast list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Good points! I agree. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:05, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. I think "a toy bio stating he survived" is completely irrelevant, as we got one of those for Jazz, too. That was definitely Bonecrusher's vehicle mode in ROTF, but I sure as hell don't think it was actually Bonecrusher, any more than I think that the helicopter was Blackout. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That is your personal canon. The fiction says otherwise. The toy bio is completely irrelevant iff it contradicts the movies. This time the movies back it up. It is willful blindness to say Bonecrusher isn't in the movie when he is right there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's willful blindness to assume similar alt means same guy, in a movie where a guy with Blackout's body-type is quite prominent. G1 colourd Jazz's bio says he survives. Brawl's got a ROTF repaint. He was decapitated and had his whole head smashed in. He's dead Jim. Writing a whole section of fiction you made up on Bonecrusher's page is madness. Give the toy bio it's own section and a note that we see his vehicle mode among the protoforms and leave it at that. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 15.28 30 June 09 (UTC)

== Character profiles ==

I'm starting to see descriptions of the character's movie role around the wiki. Is this okay yet? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:32, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:So long as you use the proper spoiler tags.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::What about the articles that have the "do not add information" tags? Can we start to take those down? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The coming soon tags? Yeah, those were just waiting for the film release.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Our policy on new releases is that if the media has been officially released in a language you can understand, you are well within your rights to be write up a summary, as long as you put up a spoiler tag. Like Wikipedia, we urge people to be bold, but be smart. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:55, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== More Quotes ==

What other quotes do you want to use (i.e: "I RISE, YOU FALL." from Optimus Prime)?
: I really don't think the umpteenth regurgitation of the TFTM-quote-that-will-not-die is worth singling out for praise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Five/Six Contacts Error==
Wouldn't this NOT be an error, since Ravge ejected Scalpel from his chest, thereby replacing Hightower? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|07:44, 28 June 2009}}
:You mean Scrapper, who was the one killed. And yeah, that's what I thought while watching the film, though I wondered if Scalpel was actually large enough to register? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::HAY GUYS - Hightower and Scrapper WEREN'T EVEN THERE. Four Constructicons jumped in - Red Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Small Excavator Guy. Unnamed dude was killed. Megatron, Scalpel and Ravage make six contacts surfacing.
::: Ahem, from Scalpel's page "...Using parts "donated" by Hightower..."
::: Anywho, the point is, wouldn't Scalpel's presence nullify the error? {{unsigned|71.179.155.170|08:41, 28 June 2009}}
::::It is neither Scrapper nor Hightower. I have since edited articles and have removed the error. The unnamed is a small Volvo excavator similar to Demolishor's vehicle mode as he was incorrectly depicted in the ROTF adaptation comic. It did not look like Hightower's truss crane. Also, sign off on your comments, it is difficult to know who is saying what. See the signature button next to the crossed out W? Click that. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:24, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Adding extra confusion: The possibility that the extra reading was Blackout.
:::::On my second viewing, it really looks like The Doctor ''strikes'' the shard in Megatron's chest rather than permanantly inserting it. Maybe they ''did'' revive Blackout. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:18, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Grindor's from space. Megatron left the Constructicons, Ravage, and the Doctor far behind on Earth, and he traveled allll the way up to Saturn to visit the Nemesis. And what's he find in the Nemesis? Starscream and hatchlings. And next we see Megatron on Earth, he's with Starscream. And another guy. That guy was a hatchling. That guy was Grindor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::He's also with The Doctor, who should be with Ravage and the Constructicons.
:::::::I don't actually think the Helicopter ''is'' Blackout-- I mean he has a '''different altmode''' fergods sake. If Bay intended it to be Blackout he'd have used the same helicopter, regardless whether it'd been retired or not. And anyway- HASBRO clearly thinks that's Grindor.
:::::::I'm just trying to figure out what might've been goign through the movie production's head with that funny number. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I imagine they filmed the blips on the radar approximately nine months before animating/rendering/writing the scene of the guys underwater. WHOOPS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Given that they went to the trouble of getting Welker for Soundwave and the forgot to put a vocoder over him, I could believe it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:46, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::Though considering Welker apparently didn't like what the G1 cartoon did to his Soundwave voice, it's possible he asked Bay to not process it, and Bay was cool with that. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:23, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Can I ask why it is stated as fact that Scalpel is too small to be detected by the submarine in the trivia section? Isn't that just speculation?[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 15:32, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

== Graham ==

Whatever happened to that Agent Graham guy. Was he even in it? He is still in the credits on the official ROTF website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Wasn't he that one British guy with NEST? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:49, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, he wore a brown beret. [[Special:Contributions/79.68.235.108|79.68.235.108]] 16:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::He's the Tom Cruise lookalike with about three lines.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:25, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::And he wasn't an "agent", he was supposedly a member of the SASF, a fictionalized version of the Special Air Service. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Frenzy's head ==
This error keeps on getting added/deleted endlessly, some official consensus would be good. His head didn't blow up, it was sliced it half, so it's not terribly unreasonable that the two pieces were glued or welded back together. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:06, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

I happen to have a downloaded version of Revenge of The Fallen (I DID go to the movie, and I AM going to buy the dvd, so stop whining!), would you like me to make some screencaps and upload them?
(Particularly Reedman and Arcee miss clear images){{unsigned|ThiAthEhn|13:58, 1 July 2009}}
:The enthusiasm and offer of help are appreciated, but unfortunately screencaps from a pirated download would get us in deep doo-doo. Thanks for asking before uploading, though.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:04, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::To elaborate, we have a policy against using images or information from unofficial, leaked or stolen sources, which obviously includes screencaps from a blurry camjob of Revenge of the Fallen. The DVD will be out in 3-4 months anyway. We can wait. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::We could use screens taken from the trailers and released clips and such though right? Or realsed screencaps? [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
::::Absolutely. As long as it's a thing that was officially approved and released, go nuts. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center location ==

Regarding the grafting of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center Steven_F._Udvar-Hazy_Center] to the Boneyard: it should be noted that the UHC is in ''Chantilly, VA'', rather outside of Washington, DC proper. There is actually more space next to the hangar, where Jetfire would have exited if they didn't have the compositing transition to the Boneyard. However, while the area's grassy and flat, it's surrounded by small chunks of forest (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dulles_Tower_360.JPG], it looks right out over the hangar entrance he would have exited from), and is further connected to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Dulles_International_Airport Dulles Airport] in the distance. :) I can only assume they went with the visual assumption that "hey, it's a museum, they'd have lots of mothballed planes around, and what's there right now is boring", but that's purely speculation on my part. Either way you slice it, it's still an "error"...

I just find this amusing, given that the UHC is one of the IMAX theaters where ROTF is being ''shown''... :) [[Special:Contributions/96.231.155.47|96.231.155.47]] 22:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:And there's a HUGE IMAX logo ''in'' the movie...--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 13:41, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

==Caption theme==
Since the first film used a TF:TM theme, why not use the abandoned Star Wars theme here. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 13.41 July 02 (UTC)
:Specifically, ''Empire''. Kurtzman and Orci even said they were trying to match it in terms of upping the menace and having the Fallen be like the Emperor. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== Suggestion - lock this article so only registered users can edit. ==

I am sure we are all sick and tired of anonymous people coming in and making stupid, incorrect, poorly spelled edits to our a article. Let's just lock this down so that we only need to watch out for newbie editors. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:09, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 19:02, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:The motion's seconded. Aye. Does motion carry?--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 20:37, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

== French title ==
Could you add back the fact that the French title has no ''2'' in it (at least, not in the Quebec version. You tell 'em, Detour), because some IP (80.236.81.91) undid my edit. Probably thought that because all other foreign titles had a 2, French was no different. Anyway I would do it myself if it wasn't for the semi-protection (which I am totally for). I know it's kind of silly to ask other people to do modifications for me, but please. [[Special:Contributions/66.131.29.196|66.131.29.196]] 21:08, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:[http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_16816.html Êtes-vous certains?] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:14, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::We indeed do not have a 2 in our Transformers title in Quebec. Maybe it's just France? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:35, 2 July 2009 (EDT)`
::Non-teaser trailer supports this: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9uUVkYB6Aw&fmt=18] --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:39, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Les Français sont toujours causé des problèmes. Peut-être qu'ils pensent qu'il est numérotée en métrique? Si le film a utilisé un chiffre romain ils se seraient probablement merde leur pantalon et ensuite les manger. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:48, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::Please stop butchering my language. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 21:50, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::Seconded. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 21:52, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
::::::Ce n'est pas de ma faute! Il est le poisson vivant dans mon oreille! En tout cas, de véritables langues sont basés sur ECMAScript. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:01, 2 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::::"English, dude. English." --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 22:33, 2 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Dead End (ROTF)

2009-06-30T14:35:23Z

Thelastallosaur: New page: ==Detour/Dead End in europe== The page claims that all European releases of him are called Detour on the front of the packaging, but I've seen plenty of both here in the UK. ~~~~

==Detour/Dead End in europe==
The page claims that all European releases of him are called Detour on the front of the packaging, but I've seen plenty of both here in the UK. [[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 10:35, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Devastator (ROTF)

2009-06-20T22:38:25Z

Thelastallosaur:

===7 Seven vehicles===
Paramount listing mention 7 constructicons vehicles, Overload is the not-mentioned-before seventh one:
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/01/tranformers-2-robots-announced/ --[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:33, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Can we put somewhere on this page a link to either the seven Constructicons or the group page?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 14:04, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

: A leaked image of legends class construction group even cofirms it...and might i add that they actualy combine into devastator?--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 05:47, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
::Not to us though. You just said a ''leaked'' image of the Constructicons, we only use ''confirmed'' news about this stuff (Hasbro, Wal-Mart, Target, etc.). Until then, Devastator only has six components.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:51, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I withdraw my previous statement.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 10:57, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Was the Paramount listing officially released? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:54, 12 May 2009 (EDT)
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:06, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

I gather [http://tformers.com/transformers-takara-announces-revenge-of-the-fallen-transformable-legends-devastator-combiner/11492/news.html Takara] has an upcoming toy that makes the whole thing ''much'' clearer.

Can someone who is ''not'' me use this to add altmodes to the list of names? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:56, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

* 2010 for Legends class? Say it ain't so! [[Special:Contributions/82.41.72.10|82.41.72.10]] 18:42, 13 June 2009 (EDT)

Should Devastator's various toy descriptions be revised? Majorish spoilers: In the film, there are at least two sets of constructicons, as they appear both as induviduals and as Devastator simultaniously, or else shown to be incapacitated to such a degree that the could not be a part of him. More importantly, the ones that form Devastator are not shown to have robot modes of their own.(although the supreme toy is still inacurate since Overload's vehicle is a clear part of Devastator) The acuracy of the figures should not have been brought into question before there was something to compare them to. Simple as that.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:38, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Blackout (Movie)

2009-06-20T22:17:37Z

Thelastallosaur:

==Hard points==
Should it be mentioned in the article that the two hard points on the Voyager-class figure's shoulders are perfectly suited to plugging a Mini-con onto? I noticed this when I first purchased the figure, then tried it out when I got a chance; the pegs are almost identical to the ones on Armada and Energon figures.
[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 06:29, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Note it in the Voyager class toy's writeup. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Italicized trivia at the end of the toy writeup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:34, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:: I don't think its particularly significant, given that several non UT-era toys have that sort of 5mm peg with a hole in the middle. Even G1 Ultra Magnus has one. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::: I think mentioning as part of the toy's description that it has two Powerlinx pegs on its shoulders/helicopterpartthingy isn't intrusive, and is actually a good thing to know! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Something that EXPANDS the toy's playability? HELL YES it should be mentioned! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 07:25, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Well the toy IS pretty unplayable in its present form, so it needs all the help it can get. I'll have to reword the blurb, because it suggests somebody at Haskara might have intended them to be Mini-Con ports, when they are not. Merely a coincidence. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::aaaaand i'll just remove what I just said - forgot about this giant weapon, there. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout on mars ==

In the movie, [[Tom Banachek]] clearly state that the robot destroying the Bealgle 2 Rover has been identified as the one that attacked the base in Irak. Shouldn't that be mentioned?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 17:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Definitely. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 17:33, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I... don't think it's clearly stated. They say they have similar exoskeletal thingermajig. They could simply be saying he's the same species. We should be careful. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:02, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah it was not clearly stated as such. What he told Keller was that they believe it the two things in the photos (Mars McRandomdude and Blackout) have a similar exoskeletal structure, not 'the thing that attacked the base destroyed this probe a couple of years ago!' --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:27, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well seeing that the transformers can also been ditingued by they personnal exoskeleton, we could mention it with a "Presumed", or a "it could be", even in the trivia, no?--[[User:GUIGUI|GUIGUI]] 18:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::There's no evidence, so we can't suggest it in trivia, in my opinion. They do that far too often on the regular Wikipedia. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 18:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::It seemed pretty obvious to me that it was supposed to be the same guy. I assumed the "similar" part was just because now the guy turns into a helicopter and looks slightly different now-- not that it was a different guy. I mean, their silhouettes were basically the same. Regardless, if it's really a contended point, do we have any secondary material that addresses this at all? --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 18:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::I assumed the 'similar' bit meant 'we think it's the same species.' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:18, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It seemed to me that Banachek was saying it's the same robot. However, it is at best implied, and the idea of that being Blackout contradicts, IMO, Bumblebee's designation as N.B.E.-2. I was under the impression that Bumblebee was supposed to be the Mars robot, and thus was surprised by the (to me) implied "it was Blackout". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 21:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, no, we know the rover-smasher was definitely either Starscream, Blackout or Barricade - we see it ''happen'' on the second-to-last page of the IDW prequel. We just don't see which one of them delivers the blow. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Tom clearly states that they are of “the same exoskeletal type”, so other than it being Blackout who the image is compared to, there is no implication that they are the same one what so ever. The purpose of that scene was to show they are the same species, nothing more. As far as evidence in the movie goes, the Mars Transformer is no more Blackout than it is any other character.
Obviously the images do look similar, but then most of the transformers are similar anyway, (just try looking at silhouettes of the Atobot protoforms for instance), realistically blackout would be too big for the event; he would overwhelm the view and would have cast the rover in a much greater shadow. If anything it looks more logical to be Barricade. -Guest 15:21, 6 March 2008.

==New image==
[[Image:Movie_Blackout_promorender2.jpg|thumb|right|300px|]]

Opinions on using this image as the new main pic? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 19:51, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Personally, what I would like to see this Wiki do is put a section at the bottom of each page of the movie transformers that contains all other images of that character, including extra CGI renders. --Guest 20.55 23February 2008

==Automorph==
I put info on how to best automorph the voyager class figure. Hope it helps. --[[User:Paradox244|Paradox244]] 00:46, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

==Cyber Slammer==
I think the Cyber Slammers blackout thing is just an error on Hasbro's website's part, the page was up for a day with no pics or text, and I don't recall the toy being announced anywhere else. I'm removing it from the page 'til there's prooof it's gog to be made. --[[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] 03:57, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alt-mode Origin Contradiction==
It just occurred to me that there may not necessarily be a contradiction between Blackout getting his alt-form 3 years before the movie in the "Prime Directives," prequel comic, and the mention of how his serial number namesake got shot down in Afghanistan 3 months prior to the movie. He mentions in the comic that there "were no witnesses," in contrast to Blackout and Starscream. If this is true, then it's entirely possible that he scanned the vehicle without any humans noticing, and then both he and the helicopter he scanned went on their separate paths; Blackout doing the stuff he did in Prime Directives and the helicopter getting shot down in Afghanistan three months before the movie. --[[User:UndeadScottsman|UndeadScottsman]] 08:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

==EMP??==
Why is Blackout's initial attack called an EMP wave? If it was, every electrical circuit on the base should be rendered dead. This was clearly not the case since the computers were still on. It looks like just some kind of plain old shockwave to me. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 06:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

==Sabot at the base?==
Can we confirm it was a sabot round? I mean, for one, they didn't pull that trump card until later in the film. Two, Blackout didn't "react" the way every other Transformer (including himself) did when hit with Sabot: Namely, in pain. At the base, he merely "flinched".
tl;dr I think it was a simple grenade launcher. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 06:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
:You're right, it was just a grenade round. On the DVD there appears to be, as the soldiers later relate, some kind of force field holding back the energy of the grenade. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

== Blackout not dead? ==

In a recent video released by Bay himself, we see Prime clearly getting his ass kicked by Starscream, Megatron, and Blackout. Is this currently worth noting, or is someone going to suggest Blackout has a twin?
--[[Special:Contributions/75.181.157.99|75.181.157.99]] 07:24, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:He definitely is, anything else is speculation. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 11:28, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
::It's not really that odd...Megatron was dead and disposed of with Blackout, so presumably whatever resurrected Megatron also nabbed Blackout. Honestly, it should have been expected.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 12:27, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
:He does have a twin of sorts, [[Grindor (ROTF)|Grindor]] is a Blackout repaint appearing in both the toyline and the video game. While there's absolutely no confirmation that Grindor's the character in the trailer, there's also no confirmation that it *isn't* him. This will all be easy enough to confirm once we've seen the movie and game and so on, but until then I don't think we can say with certainly that Blackout returns in the new film. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 15:02, 18 May 2009 (EDT)

== ROTF status ==

So we have absolutely no idea if it's Blackout in Revenge of the Fallen? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:49, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:No idea at all. Apparently the Blackout-like 'Con in the film is never called by name, has no lines (and so isn't listed in the credits), and Megatron's the only one of the dead 'Cons from film 1 that the 'Cons (a) are seeking to bring back and (b) are shown to bring back. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 16:55, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::It is the same in the adaptations. Interestingly, there is a Blackout in the [[M&M's]] portion of the ROTF continuity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:02, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

== Blackout is dead ==

Transformers Revenge of the Fallen has been released in tokyo, and it has been confirmed that Blackout is dead. The Blackout-looking guy you see in the commercial is Grindor. [[User:Homey|Homey]] 17:05, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

 It seems that much of the decepticon army is made of duplicates, as induvidual constructicons appear at the same time as Devastator, and Demolisher is clearly dead by this point. Along with the the new helicopter guy, there is a decepticon with Bonecrushers alt mode shown breifly, though it doesn't transform.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 18:17, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)

2009-05-24T15:19:56Z

Thelastallosaur:

== Desert Tracker Ratchet ==

Are we sure that's the Hasbro name for the Voyager? Takara also calls the EZ Collection toy that, whereas Hasbro call their Legends version simply "Autobot Ratchet". Likewise, Takara slaps "Autobot" in front of Breakaway and Knock Out and "Decepticon" in front of Rampage, none of whom need those modifiers in the Hasbro version.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 06:33, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

== Links ==

Is it just me or would it make more sense for links from this toyline page to take you to the toy in question? While generally it makes sense for a link to take you to the character; the focus of this page is the toys, so it would seem that those are what people want to see when they click on the links. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:03, 4 May 2009 (EDT)

== Walmart links ==

FYI: Walmart.com took down all those nice links. Oops. Also, were Ramjet and Skywarp officially announced? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:46, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
: I wish you hadn't put all those damn links in our pages to begin with! I removed what I could yesterday, but now the ones that remain are apparently dead. Listing when and where a toy was first "announced" is not a necessary thing. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:35, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
::OK. I was blindly following someone's lead. I was just hoping they still count as officially announced even though it has been taken down. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:44, 6 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I was the one who initially put all those citation links up, on the off-chance somebody would be all "HEY WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT THIS IS OFFICIAL? BLARGH BLARGH" before I uploaded the official pics, because several of the new molds were first seen some time ago via leaks. Shows what I get for being thorough. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:13, 6 May 2009 (EDT)

== Human Alliance ==

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but has hasbro actually confirmed the third human alliance set?
The fact that it was added by an unregistered user sent alarm bells ringing, and I'm certain I'd have heard about it if it were true.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 11:19, 24 May 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Grimlock (Animated)

2009-04-26T15:55:45Z

Thelastallosaur:

==Spoiler?==
Quoting the article:

"Grimlock took his name by forming a portmanteau out of a sentence spoken by Megatron: "My prospects are grim, locked in this prison of a lab." Who knew he had it in him? In fact, he's the only Dinobot shown to have a name in the cartoon at all."

As of Human Error Part Two, this is no longer the case, but is something as minor as this considered a spoiler?
I'd rather leave the decision to someone more experienced than me.[[User:Thelastallosaur|Thelastallosaur]] 11:55, 26 April 2009 (EDT)

== Prototype crotch ==

Seriously, is there ''any'' reason this wiki should discuss minute changes from prototype to production mold such as this? It's not even an officially released toy yet. We've discussed more significant mold changes, but this one just seems pointless.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 23:03, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

== Survival of the Fittest ==

Shouldn't we add something about him in the episode "Survival of the Fittest"? I would do it myself, but I'm new to this stuff.--[[User:BioTransformer|BioTransformer]] 17:55, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

== Just as strong as MEGATRON ==

http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/animated/default.cfm?page=Bio&character=grimlock{{unsigned|79.166.255.52}}
:Er, yes, and...?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 21:05, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
::I guess that means that there are some Autobots that aren't pansies [[User:Blue.rellik|Blue.rellik]] 06:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

==Jovian/thor-like==

So, roman gods not my strong point so I'll leave the jupiter no lightning hammer thing, but we need something better then Thor-like. Sounds so blocky. what about Thunderous fury of Magnus' hammer or something. {{unsigned|GWolfv2|22:20, 6 May 2008}}
:To be honest, I liked the use of "Jovian" in the first place. I thought it was more of a reference to the fact that the hammer shot lightning at the Dinobots. --[[User:Professor Icepick|Professor Icepick]] 22:38, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::I originally phrased it that way because it is, as Icepick says, a high-faluting way of saying "dude be tossing hella lightning."--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 01:56, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==An Autobot from the animated continuity family==

Should we chang that? I mean, technically, the dinobots are more along the lines of Wreck -Gar or the Constructicons. Not really aligned, as such [[User:GWolfv2]] 20.28 May 25th

No, because they ARE autobots. Even if they don't say it, the toy states that he is one, and he is leaning more to the Autobot's side(well, prowl and Bulkhead anyway).--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 19:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah but the exact same applies to Wreck-Gar. Just thinking out loud, so to speak [[User:GWolfv2]] 20.42 May 25th
:Wreck-Gar also made up his mind at the end if i'm not mistaken, he DID say he wants to be a hero, and was last seen with an autobot emblem.(unlike the constructicons, who pick sides with the ones with the best oil)--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 19:45, 25 May 2008 (UTC)