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Talk:Mixmaster (ROTF)

2009-07-03T10:10:51Z

ThiAthEhn: /* Beast Wars Reference? */ new section

==Toy Image Joke==
"That's the second biggest Decepticon insignia i've ever seen!"

Could the author enlighten us as to which was the largest by turning "biggest" into a link? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 11:07, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:[[Giant Decepticon insignia|This one]], maybe? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:16, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::I think between that, and Astrotrain, and Dropkick, the joke pretty much fails. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 11:51, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Yep! Though I think the joke starts working again if we can get it up to "That's the fifteenth biggest Decepticon insignia I've ever seen!" So let's get crackin'. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:00, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Perhaps we should change the caption to "I've seen bigger Decepticon insignias" with links to toys with larger ones. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:20, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>pulls out sarcasm-o-meter* ...I'm sitting here trying to figure out how many of the people in this discussion actually did or didn't get the reference. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 12:43, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

Category: Giant insignia? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:40, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Seconded :) [[Special:Contributions/212.74.27.55|212.74.27.55]] 09:24, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

== Beast Wars Reference? ==

Perhaps I am in folly here, but during the final battle, right after he shields himself from enemy fire and before Jetfire ''Slaughters'' him, he seems to pull a triple-barreled cannon from his nethers, which he fires once.
It might be just me, but the image really made me think of Beast Wars Rampage. Does this qualiffy as trivia?
[[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 06:10, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Talk:Barricade (Movie)

2009-07-03T09:57:50Z

ThiAthEhn: /* ROTF */

==Threatening Sam image==

HAHAHAHA! -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 07:36, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

==He doesn't get blown up==
There's a crazy rumor flying around that Ironhide blew Barricade up during the big city battle just because he was near a black car when it exploded (when Blackout shot it) I wouldn't be surprised if it winds up getting posted here too, since wikipedia has already been hit with it.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 03:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
:I assume its the scene where Blackout then transforms (VERY quickly) and flies over Sam as the guy ducks. The prominent wheel that bounces has silver rims. Blackout has black. I think some rumour monger cited it on the wikipedia but it was quickly removed. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 05:32, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
==Premium Frenzy==
Frenzy: Is he or is he not included in Premium Barricade? Images of Premium Barricade seem to suggest no, but official info would be good. -Crosshairs-1

==Transformers 2 Baricade cars==
There are now police cars getting town around covan city or something, with pictures getting posted of it on the internet. This sugests that he actualy will apear in transformers 2.--[[User:Grand-majin|Grand-majin]] 21:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
:Whelp! So much for a "thread for movie 2"!
::To be honest, i THINK he was the one who kidnapped Sam's parents, but i might be totally wrong. I hope the DVD gets released soon.--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 13:53, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::Rampage did it.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 17:55, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

==All Spark Enhanced Barricade==
On an auction site, I discovered that there was another deluxe figure called All Spark Enhanced Barricade, and after doing some research, I found that there indeed was such a figure. Frenzy comes in [[FIRRIB|red]]. Should we add that to the article? [[User:203.173.161.113|203.173.161.113]] 01:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Not until it has been officially announced by Hasbro and/or Takara. Until then, we have to assume that the toy in question is stolen or a knockoff, and therefor cannot be referenced in any articles. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Pretty sure the toy has been released already. Just no one's buying it because he's just Barricade with light blue paint added randomly. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 07:55, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Ah, sorry, I made an assumption based on the fact that it came from an auction site. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 21:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== ROTF ==

Hard to tell because he's seen so briefly, but it looks like Barricade (or someone with his body type) is kidnapping Sam's parents in Paris. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:47, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:Wait, what? Wasn't that Rampage? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:51, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::No. The one who captured them in Paris had legs. And a very Barricade-esque head. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:54, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::He's visible in the New Divide video. [http://emopanda.com/tmp/france-bot1.jpg] [http://emopanda.com/tmp/france-bot2.jpg] I dunno-- ''is'' that Barricade? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:18, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
::::No, that's one of the "hatchling" guys that meteors down to Earth for the final battle along with The Fallen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:31, 1 July 2009 (EDT)
:::::I COULD make a screen cap to confirm, but trust me, it's either Barricade or ILM was too lazy to come up with an original model. [[User:ThiAthEhn|Mischa]] 05:57, 3 July 2009 (EDT)

Soundwave (ROTF)

2009-07-03T09:54:40Z

ThiAthEhn: Barricade also lives, he is not seen destroyed, Reign of Starscream confirmed his survival and he makes a cameo in ROTF

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Soundwave}}
:''Soundwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[Image:Defiance4Soundwave.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Just wait till he [[Kiss Players|tentacle rapes]] that satellite!]]

'''Soundwave''', the Decepticon communications officer and one of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron's]] staunchest supporters, doesn't just master the frequencies that carry information across our planet, he revels in them. Stationed high in the upper atmosphere, he is fully capable of taking over communications on a planetary scale. Whether he uses this to direct civilization or destroy it remains to be seen.

== Fiction ==
=== Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics ===
[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was in talks with Soundwave to get him to join in the attack on Earth and be in [[Michael Bay]]'s next documentary. Soundwave is known for talking in several frequencies at once, apparently just to be annoying. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|#15's Star Screams}} Starscream doesn't trust Soundwave but notes his intelligence, and so views him as a worthy successor in the event of his death. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|#21's Star Screams}}

=== IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics ===
Soundwave was assigned by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to take command of the newly built ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' with the sarcophogus containing [[The Fallen]]. Soundwave's task was to find a planet with a star [[Solar harvester|harvester]] that could be used to free their mysterious benefactor. Soundwave left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] just before the outbreak of war. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:SoundwaveAllianceIssue2.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Alas, poor Dreadwing. I knew him, Ravage.]]

Presumed dead for years, Soundwave arrived on [[Mars]] one month after Megatron's death. He quickly took stock of the situation, scanning both [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing's]] remains, and an imprint of [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy's]] body. He contacted [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] after his battle with [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]], informing him that he had sent troops from his ship to Earth, with more waiting in stasis. As Starscream headed for the ship, Soundwave informed him he still had orders to follow. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2}}

As more and more Decepticons made planetfall on Earth's surface, Soundwave assumed the form of a satellite and silently observed their operations from orbit. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4}}

{{-}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (English, Italian), [[Horst Lampe]] (German), [[Daisuke Gōri]] (Japanese)
{{spoiler}}
Orbiting above Earth, Soundwave received a transmission from [[Wheelie (ROTF)|Wheelie]], who was tailing [[Mikaela Banes]], and instructed him to obtain a surviving shard of the [[All Spark]] in her possession. Soundwave encountered a satellite transmitting a conversation between [[NEST]] and the [[United States military]]. Tapping into it with his tentacles to listen, Soundwave overheard [[Theodore Galloway]] mention another shard of the All Spark in storage at [[Diego Garcia]], and of [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]]'s burial in the [[Laurentian Abyss]]. Formulating a plan, Soundwave ejected [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] (who was equipped with [[Scalpel]] and the [[Marble bot|marble bots]] comprising [[Reedman]]) to Diego Garcia to steal the shard, which his minions used to resurrect his leader.

Soundwave remained in space, tapping into the satellite he had found. During the Decepticon strike following [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s death, he tracked down [[Ron Witwicky|Ron]] and [[Judy Witwicky]] in [[France|Paris]] (making a threatening phone call to Judy) and later blocked the NEST team's phone signals to General [[Morshower]] in an effort to block their back-up. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

{{note|In the comic, Megatron rendezvous with Soundwave after killing Optimus, making the demand for Sam Witwicky himself, which Soundwave broadcasts through the satellite he clutches. {{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen Movie Adaptation issue 2}}}}

==Toys==
===Revenge of the Fallen===
====Deluxe Class toys====
[[Image:Soundwaverotfpreviewtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|War fork!]]
*'''Soundwave''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-04'''
**''Accessories:'' 1 Ravage missile

:Part of the initial Movie Preview wave, Soundwave is a [[Triple Changer]], transforming into a satellite and a Cybertron jet, which are not exactly what could be described as "distinct" from one another. In all three modes, Soundwave features a spring-loaded missile launcher which fires a missile intended to resemble [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]], in reference to the scene in the film in which he launches the feline fiend down at Earth. In his (rather stocky) robot mode, Soundwave has blue light piping in his visor, but it is disabled, having been painted over in red; his other modes feature a second, armored version of his face. He features numerous red and gold [[paint application]]s which are ''very'' cleverly and subtly positioned around his body to replicate similarly-colored and -positioned details on the [[Soundwave (G1)|original Soundwave toy]].

:The configuration for the satellite mode depicted in the toy's instructions is not the way Soundwave appears in the film, featuring a different angling for the panels on his shoulders. It's not a big change, but transforming the toy in accordance with his movie appearance ''does'' help to distinguish the jet from the satellite a little, since otherwise, virtually the only difference is in the positioning of the large panel "wings".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Decepticon/Soundwave/soundwave.htm More information on Soundwave at TFU.info]''
{{--}}

==Notes==
* Soundwave is unique among the Decepticons introduced in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' because he survives ([[Scalpel]]'s fate is ambigious). All the others get killed, meaning if all our information only came from the films, then the only Decepticons alive are the original triad of Megatron, Starscream and Soundwave.
(Potentially Barricade, but he is barely in the movie as it is)
[[Image:EarlyMovieBlackout.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A Soundwave-headed Blackout from an animatic.]]
* Soundwave was originally supposed to feature in [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'']]; he fulfilled both [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]'s roles, hacking into the CIA headquarters as a portable stereo, then [[size changing|morphed]] into a Humvee to track down [[Sam Witwicky]].<ref>Details from an early script draft [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2213120&postcount=297 summed up here], [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2214148&postcount=303 confirmed as authentic by Roberto Orci here].</ref> [[Michael Bay]]'s decision to minimalize the amount of morphing in the film resulted in a change to a helicopter who openly attacks the army. Soundwave and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] were changed to [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] as the film's location was changed from a jungle to a desert.<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage was replaced by Scorponok at the official movie boards]</ref><ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage would have appeared in a different terrain at the official movie boards]
</ref> Soundwave's name remained attached to the separated portable stereo character for a while, but Hasbro felt the resulting character did not properly represent the original Soundwave—he was first renamed Soundbite, but eventually ended up with the name Frenzy.

*According to the trade paperback, Soundwave was a major character in the third draft of ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]''.

*While not appearing in ''Revenge of the Fallen'' proper, the toy's robot mode is actually very closely derived from early ''Revenge of the Fallen'' concept art of Soundwave as a black Chevrolet pickup truck. The toy even retains a Cybertronian version of the Chevy grill and small headlights on the lower torso.

*Hasbro's description and arrangement of Soundwave's toy as a triple changer runs counter to the filmmakers' intent to introduce the technology in the next film.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-will-not-feature-triple-changers-165854/ News from TFW2005.com on September 23, 2008,] detailing [[Roberto Orci]]'s confirmation that there would be no triple-changers in ''Revenge of the Fallen''.</ref> [[Aaron Archer]] acknowledged in ''Toyfare'' #140 (February 2009) they had altered Soundwave's Cybertronian form from the film for the sake of creating a decent toy.

*Even though [[Frank Welker]] returned to voice Soundwave for the movie, his voice was not vocoded, but rather synthesized in the same way all the other Transformer voices in the movie were. Because of this, the voice he uses is much closer to that of "The Cave of Wonders" from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aladdin_(film) Walt Disney's ''Aladdin''], also voiced by Welker.

*Even though ''Revenge'' features mostly domestic voice actors for the foreign market dubs, [[Frank Welker]] voiced Soundwave not only in English, but also in the Italian dub. As a result, in the Italian dub of the movie, Soundwave speaks with a strange, foreign accent. Welker is also ''incorrectly'' credited for voicing Soundwave in the German dub<ref name="germandub">[http://215072.homepagemodules.de/topic-threaded.php?board=215072&forum=11775323&threaded=1&id=511643&message=7158760 List of German dubbing voices]</ref>, even though Soundwave's actual German voice actor was Horst Lampe, who previously also voiced [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] in the German dub of ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]''.

== References ==
<references/>

[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Spies]]
[[Category:Triple Changers]]

Talk:Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)

2009-07-01T17:58:32Z

ThiAthEhn: /* Images? */ new section

Where's Chromia? She is confirmed! I added her why is she gone? And what about Ratchet? {{unsigned|Godziboy1993}}
:They haven't been "confirmed". They got stolen from factories in China. That is not an official confirmation. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 15:58, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok, this is ridiculous. Yes it IS AN OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION. She was even in the god damn trailer! And why isn't Ratchet and Longhaul up on that either? Stolen from factories give me a break. Put them back on. [[User:Godziboy1993|Godziboy1993]] 21:55, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh and Barricade is on there too. His toy was stolen from a factory. Why the hell not Chromia, Ratchet, and Longhaul.
:Because it is '''illegally acquired information'''. That simple. We'll add them once Roberto Orci confirms their presence, or Hasbro releases ''official photographs'' of the toys. To find out more, refer to [[Help:Official info]]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 22:10, 27 March 2009 (EDT)

== Paramount pictures cast list. ==

[http://l.yimg.com/img.omg.yahoo.com/omg/us/img/83/a2/9019_3705651155.jpg?y=660&x=616&q=75&n=0&sig=Zvqw8NxIBWHyJFhaLEhOeQ-- This poster] looks like a pretty official cast list. FFN, you think it's dubious? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 06:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
:Well, for a Starter, Overload should be added to the list of constructicons. {{unsigned|GUIGUI|17:20, 2 April 2009 EDT}}
::I agree, they didn't pull that name out of the æther. But it might be premature to spell it "Longhaul", or move The Fallen to the Decepticon column, or move Jetfire to the Autobot column. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:31, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

I really do not understand how this is set up. Why is Demolisher a seperate character? Who is the 7th constructicon when only six are shown combining into Devastator?{{unsigned|Godziboy1993|19:36, 6 April 2009 EDT}}
:Who knows? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 19:40, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

== Japanese world premiere. ==

With the premiere in Japan, does that mean ROTF characters are <nowiki>[[Category:Japanese-original characters]]</nowiki>? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:50, 27 April 2009 (EDT)
:You'd better be joking. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:12, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

==Transmitter at official site==

What was the necessary stuff to log in again for the Transmitter? I can't remember if it was Derik or Detour that had posted up some things for it... Not that it's updated much. << >> --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 23:45, 1 May 2009 (EDT)

==How about an actual article?==
This thing is basically a list of info. Why isn't this a bit more organized, like on Wikipedia? And is the stuff about the Writers' Strike really neccesary? I'd edit it, but I do not appear to have that privilege. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 16:56, 8 May 2009 (EDT)
:Yes it's a list of info, because right now all we have is info. It's better than Wikipedia's page because it focuses on confirmed news only and not rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. Yes, the stuff about the Writer's Strike is necessary, since it did affect production of Revenge Of The Fallen. No, you can't edit it, because the page is protected on account of so many anonymous users and new users making additions based on rumors, stolen toys and third-hand reports. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:28, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

:In about a month and a half, this article will get a total top-to-bottom re-write, when... y'know... we see the movie. Till then, there's not a lot of point in dramatic changes; they'd just be swept away under the deluge of information that we'll have when the film is released.
:That said, I feel your pain. "Writer such-and-such has envisioned a storyline involving the Constructicons" seems like a ridiculous bit of information to have right upfront at this point in the game, when we've ''seen them in the trailer''. '''ETA:''' If you'd seriously like to have a go at cleaning it up, you could always set up a temp page somewhere. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 17:33, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

::At the same time, I don't really see the point of doing a page like the Wikipedia. We'll never be able to compete with them in terms of sheer information on things like production, and were are restricted by our rule of only using information that has been released by Hasbro/Takara, Dreamworks, Paramount and their partners (and they generally don't release much in the way of information). Besides, as I've understood this wiki, our focus is on the ''content of the fiction itself'' and ''the characters'' starring in it, which is what differentiates us from the Wikipedia. We're not really here to tell people about how the director of photography and camera personnel filmed the 2007 movie on a mechanical bull or something. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:06, 8 May 2009 (EDT)

Could we at least organize this in paragraph form? It wouldn't take very long, but it would look way better. Just thought I'd ask. [[User:Jim Java|Jim Java]] 20:50, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
:I don't think that would make the article better at all. The article as-is is a list of things. Making that list into a big block of text is not going to help anything. We don't need to pretend that this article isn't a list. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:18, 11 May 2009 (EDT)
::I'm gonna throw my hat in here and tell you to just wait. It's like Repowers said, give just over a month and the entire article will be totally redone top to bottom, just like you want Jim Java. Until then look at the Wikipedia article, I'm pretty sure they have it broken into paragraphs and make it an "actual article" as I'm sure you're insinuating.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 22:22, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

==UK Release 19th June = World Premiere==
As I write this the UK will be getting this a whole week before the States. So like, can we come and get started on the articles, or will there be Dubya-like emphasis on US civil (=Spoiler) liberties? [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:58, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:I figure it'll be okay if articles are filled out following the UK release. After all, most of Animated Season 2 aired a week early in Canada, and we still updated those pages even though they hadn't aired stateside yet. As long as media is officially released in a language we can understand (unlike that whole Dubai incident last year), it's fair game. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] 01:40, 28 May 2009 (EDT)

== World premiere was today, June 8, in Japan ==

As the title says. Do we need a new, updated "No spoilers" disclaimer in this article and maybe also on the main page?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:35, 8 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes and yes and then some. We should have heavy disclaimage on ALL the in-movie character pages, and also make them--as well as, obviously, this page itself--off-limits to anonymous editors. (Also, holy shit, am I actually editing on IE now? Miracle!) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 16:47, 8 June 2009 (EDT)

==Score==
Should the score's info be added? Samples are up at [http://www.amazon.de/Transformers-Revenge-Fallen-Score/dp/B002DDIXLA/ref=sr_shvl_album_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1245109298&sr=301-2 Amazon Germany's listing]. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 20:04, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

== Bay wanted to have German soldiers in the movie, German government said "no" ==

Source: [http://newsticker.sueddeutsche.de/list/id/657558 Press conference from German premiere]

Translation:

:''Bundeswehr soldiers in the cinematic end fight between humans and alien machines: That's how Hollywood warhorse director Michael Bay ("Armageddon") had planned it for his action flick ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''.''

:''But German authorities threw a monkey wrench in his plans. The Bundeswehr soldiers at an Air Force base in the American desert state of New Mexico had been thrilled, "but unfortunately, the German government said no", the 44 year old director said at Sunday's German premiere of the science fiction flick. The cooperation with the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, hadn't been a problem - he had a direct connection there.''

Will probably work it into the article once we go from pre-release to full article.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 19:14, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

:What? Germany isn't allowed to -have- a military.{{unsigned|173.11.36.165|10:02, 24 June 2009}}
::You are [[wikipedia:Bundeswehr|mistaken]], sir.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 11:29, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

==Errors and Inconsistencies==
I've just seen the film. I'm not sure how the final ROTF page will look, but if the previous movie is used as a template, then I can suggest NOW that the Errors/Inconsistencies section be spawned off onto its own page? [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 19:52, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
:Basic outline here: [[Revenge of the Fallen (film)/outline]]. Not sure when we should drop it in, but it should be soon. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:13, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

== Unnamed Decepticons ==

Do we have any way of getting names for the unnamed decepticons, like the Ravage hairballs seen in the trailer and comic-books? The movie's not going to help, as it was ''incredibly'' lax on providing names for characters.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 03:31, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Mysterious voice credits ==
Frank Welker is credited as "Reedman" along with Soundwave and Ravage, and Kevin Michael Richardson is both one of the Primes and "Skipjack". Do we know who these characters are? It doesn't help that both actors are known for Random Monster Noises roles. -[[User:LV|LV]] 03:53, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:Edit: I may mean Soundwave, Devastator and Reedman. The point is, Reedman: WTF? -[[User:LV|LV]] 04:06, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::I too saw those credits and wondered... but, I could also swear that I remember someone, maybe Ironhide, saying the name "Skipjack" aloud at one point in the film (at one of the base scenes, maybe?). For the life of me, though, I can't think of the context it was in. --
:::Did we happen to catch credits for Demolishor, Rampage, or any other growly-roary-types? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 07:24, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Devastator clearly said "DEVASTATOR!" during the big overhead shot of him slowly bearing down on the twins. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I definitely interpreted that as Megatron shouting "DEVASTATOR!" at Devastator for no particular reason. As for Demolishor...he must have had a voice actor, since he had actual dialogue, but I don't recall seeing it. -[[User:LV|LV]] 11:15, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I couldn't decide if the roar of "DEVASTATOR!" was Megatron, or if Devastator had decided to declare his own name for some reason (which wouldn't be ''that'' odd, given that Megatron did it in the first movie). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 11:40, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It sure sounded like Megatron's voice to me. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 17:16, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I'm also with that Megatron's the one calling to Devastator. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] 01:45, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Surely he was calling to get Devastator to stop playing with the humans and come wreck up the pyramid? [[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:50, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::In the IMAX it was clearly Megatron based on where the sound was coming from. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:49, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
Demolisher is in the credits as Wheelbot. But I kept missing it. First time, some dickhead at the back started sticking his hands in front of the projector and blocking it. As for Devastator, he NEVER speaks. Megs yells Devastator's name. Welker just handled roars and snarls (some blatant Welker animal noises are in there)[[User:Eire]] 15.57 25th June 09

:Reedman ''has'' to be the raptor-like thing formed by the [[Marble bot|Marble bots]]. He's a reed-thin man.
:Sweet, nice to know he has a name. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:41, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::This seems to be corroborated by the Decepticons DS game (not the best source, given the divergence of video game plots, but an official one): before the mission to steal the All Spark shard you're told that "Ravage and Reed Man" have been sent ahead to secure the target... presumably referencing the skinny con's theft of the object in question. --[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 17:44, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::Any chance you can get an exact quote on that? (Because it seems to present Reedman has his own character, rather than a remote probe controlled by Ravage, and I'd like to be able to cite it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:56, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm afraid not. The dialogue popped up on the map screen between missions instead of within the mission itself, so it's not replayable, and I was surprised enough by it the first time I didn't think to write it down. I could start another file and play through to that point again (though I'd rather not, it's a bit of a letdown compared to the first movie's DS games), but at the moment all I can say for sure is that it referred to them as a duo, "Ravage and Reed Man," with Reed Man parsed as two words like that, not one.--[[User:Inevitable Betrayal|Inevitable Betrayal]] 02:35, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:Well jeez! Sounded like a people-name! I wonder who "Skipjack" is, then? He... he couldn't be the little guy who gets killed for parts, could be? That guy didn't speak words, but he did make a sort of cry/yelp of protest as he was set upon. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::That was one of the film's legions of Constructicons. Probably not a "Skyjack." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:54, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''Skip''jack. But, eh, i'm just tossin' it out there. The identity of the sacrificial guy does not really seem to be confirmed - people are just assuming he's a Constructicon because the other three were Long Haul, Mixmaster and Rampage, and Hightower's vehicle was on the barge, but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance (and as a dirty great crane, Hightower would hardly be "the little one"). - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:58, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::I paid attention to the "little one"'s silhouette when I saw the movie again yesterday, and it most resembled Scrapper. Particularly its skinny legs. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Let's see, that was about 40 minutes in so... ''*runs up MP3 of the movie's audio*''
::::No, the 'parts' con doesn't make more than a few Ewok burbles.
::::Could he be the jackhammer-Decepticon that kidnapped Ron and Judy? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:14, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::As it transpires, yes. [http://www.aciphex.com/ This interview] (search for "Skipjack") makes it pretty clear that Skipjack was the working name for the red bulldozer identified onscreen as Rampage. So it's a Demolishor/Wheelbot situation, apparently. Disappointing resolution, especially since it still leaves us with two bulldozers named Rampage. -[[User:LV|LV]] 12:47, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::I.... theeeenk you may have got your link wrong, there? - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:10, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::[https://www.editorsguild.com/FromtheGuild.cfm?FromTheGuildid=84 He probably meant this one.] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:22, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::THe sad thing is that I can't even come up with a funny rationale for the link to AcipHex here. (I was originally linking it elsewhere because the TV won't stop telling me to try Ass Effects - guess it stayed in my clipboard.) FAiled. -[[User:LV|LV]] 16:25, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::No, Starscream specifically calls him Rampage. (And he is Rampage.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Wasn't Devastator already formed by that point? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:19, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Sure, but there were lots of Constructicons running around the same time as Devastator was formed (the group from the barge turn up with Ravage partway through the fight). --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:31, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::It just sounds like a likely name for his color-swap. (Which in this case, i guess... was forming Devastator.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:16, 25 June 2009 (EDT)
:::''but no-one's actually identified the guy based on his physical robot appearance''
:::[http://deriksmith.livejournal.com/41048.html Some douchebag] posted bootleg screencaps of the Laurentian Abyss sequence on his blog.
:::While not appropriate for inclusion here as a ''primary source'', useful for IDing nonetheless. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:24, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::I should probably post what I did on LJ here. Re: the last photo - those claws don't look anything alike. That's no game-only generic. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:53, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::And ''I'' should probably post what I did on LJ here. The game-model and movie-model for Constructicon Scout are different (thus the clamps not matching) but Constructicon Scout is ''definitely'' in the movie. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:13, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
[[Image:Cs_scrapper.jpg|thumb]]
:::As Walky so bluntly put it-- "It's scrapper."
:::Or rather- the Constructicon Scout is based on Scrapper. An extra layer of confusion is added because the Scrapper toy lacks the giant arms that the CS has-- ''and'' [http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzji3l.gif the character in the movie has]. But since there's only one Scraper toy that Transformes, apparently we're treating his truncated arms as a concession to toy engineering.
:::So would it be ''more accurate'' to say that Scrapper ''is'' a Constructicon Scout? Or is physically identical to them? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:06, 27 June 2009 (EDT)
I don't know if this helps, but in the somewhat inaccurate comic version of the movie, Ravage, Long Haul, and Scrapper are clearly seen jumping off the boat, so it may mean Scrapper is "the little one?[[Special:Contributions/71.199.127.210|71.199.127.210]] 13:37, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

==It's UpGrade Time==
So, can we start working on this now or what? [[User:Eire]] 12.44 June 24 09
: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 09:36, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Foreign titles ==

Are foreign titles usually included if they just mean "Revenge of The Fallen" in their own language? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:37, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
: They shouldn't be. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:: The frensh versin is called "transformers: the revenge"(le révange?)--[[User:Sunjumper|Sunjumper]] 11:47, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::: That's different enough. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
:::: The Brazilian title (Portuguese) renders as "The Revenge of the Defeated" when I put it through Google Translate. Is that different enough?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 12:35, 24 June 2009 (EDT)
::::: Inasmuch as "defeated" doesn't have the same additional connotations of "falling from grace" or "killed in battle" as the original English, I'd say so.[[Special:Contributions/137.195.68.169|137.195.68.169]] 10:47, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

== Trivia cull ==

One is long overdue in my opinion. Much of this "trivia" is snippets of news on who was cast, and has since been unequivocally confirmed and properly organized in the locations it ''should'' be.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 21:33, 24 June 2009 (EDT)

== Not-Bonecrusher ==

I'm assuming that the guy who wasn't Bonecrusher was actually [[Constructicon Scout]]. Is that a safe guess to go with? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
: I didn't see any Bonecrusher in the film. People just say they saw Bonecrusher's altmode, the Buffalo. No robot mode, far as I'm aware. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:48, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:: I think he was running around during the Egypt battle. You could see him standing behind some pillars. Since there were multiple Constructicons running around, this was evidently was not the very-dead Bonecrusher.[[Special:Contributions/67.242.198.238|67.242.198.238]] 12:07, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::It was definitely a use of the CGI Bonecrusher model in robot mode. [[Special:Contributions/82.7.126.27|82.7.126.27]] 12:09, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::<nowiki>*swears*</nowiki> I was hoping it was the Constructicon Scout, but he has a different robot mode. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:14, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::You can definitely see Bonecrusher's vehicle mode rolling in with the other Decepticons. I don't recall seeing his robot mode, but then again, he looks quite similar in robot mode to a bunch of Constructicons. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:42, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
So I saw it again in IMAX. That's definitely Bonecrusher rolling in.
# His remains weren't among those being disposed of after the first movie.
# We've got a toy bio stating he survived.
# He's ''in'' the ^&*( second film.
Baring Hasbro releasing a redeco and declaring this a new character, it looks like Bonecrusher really ''did'' survive. And until that happens, I'm going with the face-value reading and removing the "a Bonecrusher lookalike" note in the cast list. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:01, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:Good points! I agree. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 00:05, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::I disagree. I think "a toy bio stating he survived" is completely irrelevant, as we got one of those for Jazz, too. That was definitely Bonecrusher's vehicle mode in ROTF, but I sure as hell don't think it was actually Bonecrusher, any more than I think that the helicopter was Blackout. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:23, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::That is your personal canon. The fiction says otherwise. The toy bio is completely irrelevant iff it contradicts the movies. This time the movies back it up. It is willful blindness to say Bonecrusher isn't in the movie when he is right there. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:28, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::It's willful blindness to assume similar alt means same guy, in a movie where a guy with Blackout's body-type is quite prominent. G1 colourd Jazz's bio says he survives. Brawl's got a ROTF repaint. He was decapitated and had his whole head smashed in. He's dead Jim. Writing a whole section of fiction you made up on Bonecrusher's page is madness. Give the toy bio it's own section and a note that we see his vehicle mode among the protoforms and leave it at that. [[User:Eire|Eire]] 15.28 30 June 09 (UTC)

== Character profiles ==

I'm starting to see descriptions of the character's movie role around the wiki. Is this okay yet? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:32, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:So long as you use the proper spoiler tags.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:34, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::What about the articles that have the "do not add information" tags? Can we start to take those down? [[User:Crow T. Robot|Crow T. Robot]] 14:40, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
:::The coming soon tags? Yeah, those were just waiting for the film release.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 14:46, 26 June 2009 (EDT)
::::Our policy on new releases is that if the media has been officially released in a language you can understand, you are well within your rights to be write up a summary, as long as you put up a spoiler tag. Like Wikipedia, we urge people to be bold, but be smart. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 14:55, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

== More Quotes ==

What other quotes do you want to use (i.e: "I RISE, YOU FALL." from Optimus Prime)?
: I really don't think the umpteenth regurgitation of the TFTM-quote-that-will-not-die is worth singling out for praise. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 27 June 2009 (EDT)

==Five/Six Contacts Error==
Wouldn't this NOT be an error, since Ravge ejected Scalpel from his chest, thereby replacing Hightower?
:You mean Scrapper, who was the one killed. And yeah, that's what I thought while watching the film, though I wondered if Scalpel was actually large enough to register? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:48, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
::HAY GUYS - Hightower and Scrapper WEREN'T EVEN THERE. Four Constructicons jumped in - Red Rampage, Long Haul, Mixmaster and Small Excavator Guy. Unnamed dude was killed. Megatron, Scalpel and Ravage make six contacts surfacing.
::: Ahem, from Scalpel's page "...Using parts "donated" by Hightower..."
::: Anywho, the point is, wouldn't Scalpel's presence nullify the error?
::::It is neither Scrapper nor Hightower. I have since edited articles and have removed the error. The unnamed is a small Volvo excavator similar to Demolishor's vehicle mode as he was incorrectly depicted in the ROTF adaptation comic. It did not look like Hightower's truss crane. Also, sign off on your comments, it is difficult to know who is saying what. See the signature button next to the crossed out W? Click that. Thanks. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:24, 28 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::Adding extra confusion: The possibility that the extra reading was Blackout.
:::::On my second viewing, it really looks like The Doctor ''strikes'' the shard in Megatron's chest rather than permanantly inserting it. Maybe they ''did'' revive Blackout. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 00:18, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::Grindor's from space. Megatron left the Constructicons, Ravage, and the Doctor far behind on Earth, and he traveled allll the way up to Saturn to visit the Nemesis. And what's he find in the Nemesis? Starscream and hatchlings. And next we see Megatron on Earth, he's with Starscream. And another guy. That guy was a hatchling. That guy was Grindor. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::He's also with The Doctor, who should be with Ravage and the Constructicons.
:::::::I don't actually think the Helicopter ''is'' Blackout-- I mean he has a '''different altmode''' fergods sake. If Bay intended it to be Blackout he'd have used the same helicopter, regardless whether it'd been retired or not. And anyway- HASBRO clearly thinks that's Grindor.
:::::::I'm just trying to figure out what might've been goign through the movie production's head with that funny number. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:08, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
::::::::I imagine they filmed the blips on the radar approximately nine months before animating/rendering/writing the scene of the guys underwater. WHOOPS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:09, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Given that they went to the trouble of getting Welker for Soundwave and the forgot to put a vocoder over him, I could believe it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 01:46, 30 June 2009 (EDT)

== Graham ==

Whatever happened to that Agent Graham guy. Was he even in it? He is still in the credits on the official ROTF website. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:21, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Wasn't he that one British guy with NEST? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:49, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
:Yes, he wore a brown beret. [[Special:Contributions/79.68.235.108|79.68.235.108]] 16:01, 29 June 2009 (EDT)
::He's the Tom Cruise lookalike with about three lines.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 03:25, 1 July 2009 (EDT)

== Frenzy's head ==
This error keeps on getting added/deleted endlessly, some official consensus would be good. His head didn't blow up, it was sliced it half, so it's not terribly unreasonable that the two pieces were glued or welded back together. - [[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]] 22:06, 29 June 2009 (EDT)

== Images? ==

I happen to have a downloaded version of Revenge of The Fallen (I DID go to the movie, and I AM going to buy the dvd, so stop whining!), would you like me to make some screencaps and upload them?
(Particularly Reedman and Arcee miss clear images)