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User:TomServo88

2018-01-10T04:26:20Z

TomServo88: Created page with "TomServo is a fan of 3 Cs: cooking, collecting, and canines. Little ones. Oh, and wrestling. #BulletClub4Lyfe"

TomServo is a fan of 3 Cs: cooking, collecting, and canines. Little ones.

Oh, and wrestling. #BulletClub4Lyfe

March 17

2018-01-09T21:31:41Z

TomServo88: Added a humorous sentence; apologies is it is unneeded or unwanted.

<noinclude>{{cal-date|3|17}}</noinclude>

* '''[[1945]] —''' Singer [[Douglas Meakin]] is born.
* '''[[1949]] —''' Voice actor [[Orlando Viggiani]] is born.
* '''[[1963]] —''' [[Roberto Certomà]] (Italian voice of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|''Cybertron'' Optimus Prime]]) is born.
* '''[[1978]] —''' [[Patrick Seitz]] (voice of [[Silverbolt (WFC)|Silverbolt]] in ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)| War for Cybertron]]'') is born.
* '''[[1978]] —''' [[Samoa Joe]] (voice of [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] in ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'') is born. The wrestling world feels a strange disturbance.
* '''[[1989]] —''' The ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' episode "[[The Ultimate Combination!! BlackZarak, the New Lifeform|The New Scorponok]]" premieres in Malaysia.
* '''[[1997]] —''' [[Toonami]] begins its run on [[Cartoon Network]].
* '''[[1999]] —''' The ''[[Super Lifeform Transformers: Beast Wars Neo (cartoon)|Beast Wars Neo]]'' episode "[[Duel in the Labyrinth]]" premieres in Japan.
* '''[[2004]] —''' [[Confrontation (issue)|''War Within: The Dark Ages'' #5]] is released in the US by [[Dreamwave Productions]].
* '''2004 —''' The ''[[Transformers History of Music 1984-1990]]'' soundtrack album is released in Japan by [[Columbia Music Entertainment]].
* '''[[2006]] —''' [[Bob Papenbrook]] (voice of [[Mega-Octane]] and [[Ruination (RID)|Ruination]]) dies from a chronic lung condition at age 50.
* '''[[2010]] —''' The ''[[Transformers Movie Collection Volume 1]]'', ''[[Transformers: Nefarious|Nefarious]]'' [[Nefarious issue 1|#1]] and the Long Beach Comic Con exclusive cover of ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' [[All Hail Megatron issue 16|#16]] are released by [[IDW Publishing]].
* '''[[2012]] —''' The ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transfomers Prime]]'' episode "[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 2]]" and ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Transformers: Rescue Bots]]'' episode "[[Cody on Patrol]]" premiere on [[Hub Network|The Hub]].

Samoa Joe

2018-01-09T21:28:07Z

TomServo88:

[[File:SamoaJoe.jpg|thumb|right|300px|A real Samoan hero.]]

'''Nuufolau Joel Seanoa''' (born [[March 17]], [[1979]]), professionally known as '''Samoa Joe''', is a professional wrestler currently signed to WWE, performing on their ''Raw'' brand. He is known for his work in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) and Ring of Honor (ROH), winning the World Championship in each.

Outside of wrestling, Joe has also provided voice-over work for video games, appearing as the Juggernaut Arcana in ''DOTA2'' and Beast in TellTale Games' ''Game of Thrones''.

If you find yourself in a situation in which Joe and a referee are present, run.

==Roles==
===''Power of the Primes''===
* [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]

==External links==
*[https://twitter.com/SamoaJoe Samoa Joe's twitter]

[[Category: English voice actors]]
[[Category: Hasbro Studios]]

Samoa Joe

2018-01-09T21:27:51Z

TomServo88:

[[File:SamoaJoe.jpg|thumb|right|300px|A real Samoan hero.]]

'''Nuufolau Joel Seanoa''' (born [[March 17]], [[1979]]), professionally known as '''Samoa Joe''', is a professional wrestler currently signed to WWE, performing on their ''Raw'' brand. He is known for his work in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) and Ring of Honor (ROH), winning the World Championship in each.

Outside of wrestling, Joe has also provided voice-over work for video games, appearing as the Juggernaut Arcana in ''DOTA2'' and Beast in TellTale Games' ''Game of Thrones''.

If you find yourself in a situation in which a referee is present, run.

==Roles==
===''Power of the Primes''===
* [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]

==External links==
*[https://twitter.com/SamoaJoe Samoa Joe's twitter]

[[Category: English voice actors]]
[[Category: Hasbro Studios]]

Samoa Joe

2018-01-09T21:27:02Z

TomServo88:

[[File:SamoaJoe.jpg|thumb|right|300px|A real Samoan hero.]]

'''Nuufolau Joel Seanoa''' (born [[March 17]], [[1979]]), professionally known as '''Samoa Joe''', is a professional wrestler currently signed to WWE, performing on their ''Raw'' brand. He is known for his work in Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA) and Ring of Honor (ROH), winning the World Championship in each.

Outside of wrestling, Joe has also provided voice-over work for video games, appearing as the Juggernaut Arcana in ''DOTA2'' and Beast in TellTale Games' ''Game of Thrones''.

==Roles==
===''Power of the Primes''===
* [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]

==External links==
*[https://twitter.com/SamoaJoe Samoa Joe's twitter]

[[Category: English voice actors]]
[[Category: Hasbro Studios]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2018-01-09T21:22:20Z

TomServo88: /* Samoa Joe */

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==Faction symbol bullets?==
While working on more page revamping, it struck me that it might be a good idea to look into replacing the bullets in the lists with tiny faction symbol markers. On the one hand, it would make things a bit more visually pleasing and sort good bots and bad-bots in the mixed waves.<br>
On the other, I'm not sure how we could pull that off without overloading things. A simple template like <nowiki>"{{bp-a1}}" (bullet point autobot 1)</nowiki>, making sure the graphics are actually tiny and not having the wiki software scale down the images? I mean, there can be HUNDREDS of these on a page. Thoughts from the more technically-minded? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:custombulletpoints.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
:I've created this mockup of what it would look like. The coding would be something like:
:<code><nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki></ul></nowiki></code>
:We'd have to specify the ul tags because mediawiki doesn't have a way to apply css classes to bullet points, as far as I can tell. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:59, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::Okiedoke. Sooo...
{{collist|5|
* a1 (Autobot G1)
* d1 (Autobot G1)
* a2 (Autobot G2)
* d2 (Autobot G2)
* m1 (Maximal BW)
* p1 (Predacon BW)
* mt (Mutant)
* m2 (Maximal BM)
* vh (Vehicon)
* bd (Dinobot BM)
* uc (Unicron)
* ac (Anti-Cybertron)
* mc (Mini-Con)
* p2 (Predacon Prime)
* sa (SG Autobot)
* sd (SG Decepticon)}}
::These seem like the most important ones. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:01, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:::I've added in the G1/2 and BW ones so we can try them out. The icons are just the ones from the insignia page resized, so if anyone wants to have a try at making them more legible, feel free. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:15, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::::For some reason it's putting "</li>" at the end. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:26, 11 December 2016 (EST)

It should work when they're used. E.G.:
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a2|[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-d2|[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-mt|[[Soundwave (BW)|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-m2|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-vh|[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-bd|[[Magmatron]]}}
</ul>
--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:28, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:Okay, I'd left off the <nowiki>"<ul>"s</nowiki>. Noice. I THINK we might need some half-and-halfs for multipacks. But that shouldn't be too many, I think... G1, G2, BW, SG... Oh and I guess Auto/Prime-Pred and Decep/Prime-Pred. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:39, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::I had a try at doing some split icons for the multipacks, but haven't had any luck. I did adjust the style to move the icons down a smidge so they line up better with the text, though it requires adding in a class to the ul tag thus: <nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki> --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:03, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Can you give it just a tiny nudge to the right? So they end up slightly indented under the column headers, which makes them easier to read. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:50, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Tweaked. I think I've got it approximately the same indent as the non-icon lists now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:14, 12 December 2016 (EST)

REALLY not liking this. Looks far too cluttered to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Request for vehicon template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 16:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Added the Beast Machines ones. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Request for mini-cons template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 17:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Added! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:45, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::::Request for Shattered Glass templates [[User:IronyMann|IronyMann]] ([[User talk:IronyMann|talk]]) 03:48, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Request for Combatron template for Japanese releases. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:41, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::: Request for Unicron faction symbol. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2016 (EST)
::::::: I have added these. Unified documentation is [[Template:Bp-a1/doc|here]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Off the top of my head while going through the Beast Wars page, we'll need hybrid Maximal/Predacon insignias and then... what do we do for oddball one-off things like the Starscream/Waspinator 2-pack? [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:32, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Is Waspinator actually labeled as a Pred in that set, or a Decep? Honestly in either case I'd be okay with just using the Decepticon symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:36, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Will entries on the [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline page]] need two bullets each for faction and associated planet? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:00, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Sorry, when I called it the "Unicron" symbol, I meant the Blentron Unicron-head symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:07, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:Ahhh, got it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:51, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Uploading some half-an-half icons. I'm not making the templates because I'm bluntly not feeling up to it. Just getting the visuals out of the way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:44, 13 December 2016 (EST)

== Kre-O pages with toys ==

The merging of ''Kre-O'' characters who are unambiguously based on 1 existing archetype with said archetype fell to the wayside some time ago. Anyone want to join me in restarting it? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:54, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:I didn't merge them back then because Sipher nixed the idea. If there's no opposition now, I'll help with merging them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:29, 27 December 2016 (EST)
::Wasn't around when Sipher nixed it, but I'll help too as many have been merged already. [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 07:08, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:::If we go through with this, we should probably begin by compiling a list to avoid any confusion over who does and does not qualify. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 02:43, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::::Already made a list [[User:Saix#preelm_Kre-O_merge_list|here]]. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:16, 28 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not sure the combiners should be merged. All of them have a distinct lineup, and the Terrorcons are a mix of G1 and ''Prime'' influences. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:58, 28 December 2016 (EST)
:"Distinct lineup" is pretty weak now we have Combiner Wars combiners with varying members and the G1 Terrorcons have used their Prime designs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::For that reason wont it be hard to tell which Transformer the Kreo is meant to represent when the same toy design has been used for multiple families? [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 21:13, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
I'm not sure if the ''Universe'' Soundwave Kreon should go on ''Machine Wars'' Soundwave's page, but what about putting the ''Music Label'' Soundwave Kreon on ''Shattered Glass'' Soundwave's page since the latter is precedent for independent white Soundwaves? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:34, 3 January 2017 (EST)

== Final Facebook fiction ==

Notice to all: Fun Publications is doing one final round of Facebook story posts. Let's wait at least a little while for this storyline to finish up before we add anything to the wiki. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:47, 31 December 2016 (EST)

== Derailment & Uprising pages ==

A number of small debates are popping up here and there about character pages for BWU. I thought we could agree here on some general rules for how to handle these pages, so the same conversation doesn't keep happening on several talk pages. There will be technicalities in certain cases, as always, but in general...
:* Characters drawn from non-Primax continuity families will get a new page, with a (BW) disambig. Aurex Mini-Cons like [[Synapse (BW)]], Uniend Predacons like [[Budora (BW)]], etc.
:* Exceptions will be for the Primax straddling Viron and Kre-O borrowed characters like [[Movor]] or [[Freefall (Kre-O)]]. Battle Beasts turned Cybertronians for Uprising will also be on the same page.
:* Some characters deliberately straddle two existing characters, like Deluge, Wideload, Stockade, Eagle Killer, etc. Individual consideration is necessary.
::* If the "composite" character draws more heavily on one existing character than the other (like Wideload who's clearly the Throttlebot but only borrowing the body-type and faction of the Classics Mini-Con), text should go on the more prominent page.
::* If the "composite" character is equally weighted, or little more than a cameo and a description, like Eagle Killer, it may be better to create a third Eagle Killer (BW) page acknowledging it as distinct from the two previous characters.
Anyone disagree with these guidelines, or have others they wish to add? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:39, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:What about a character/toy already spanning multiple non-G1 continuity families? Back when [[Rav (DOTM)]] appeared (not in beast mode) in "[[Identity Politics]]", I created [[Rav (BW)]]. But [[Catilla (DOTM)]] appears in "Derailment" (under "Katilla"). [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::Which is one reason for this thread, so we can at least get some consistent treatment. Those (DOTM) Mini-Cons seem like an odd situation. Am I right in assuming they weren't split when AVP used them in an Aurex cluster because there just wasn't enough material to bother having two pages? If we want to say ''"These (DOTM) guys have extremely small roles in multiple continuity families, so hug it, we're just going to have one page for each"'', I'm not...opposed to that. Depends on if someone has strong feelings about preserving the rule of splitting characters by Continuity Family. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:08, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::My bad on the Katilla front. I saw the ''Uprising'' header on his page and thought that meant it was were his fiction was meant to go. (Sorry.) [[User:Smasher|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher|talk]]) 22:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
The Book of Logos and the Lio Convoy historical paper are pretty extensive. Shall we create story articles for them as we did for "[[A Brush With Infamy–Prologue|A Brush With Infamy]]"? Perhaps as well with the Predacon Manifesto? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:28, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:I agree. Separate characters, separate events. Too extensive to try and lay out in the Notes section alone. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 22:42, 1 January 2017 (EST)
Can anyone identify these characters? On page 33 of "Derailment" there is a "teal and grey Predacon" with a wrist-mounted autocannon. On page 55 there's a male "grey/purple" Micromaster. And more likely to be generics: on page 33 is an "enterprising Maximal ro-simian" and on page 118 is a "red and green" male Maximal who is converted into a Vehicon. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:30, 1 January 2017 (EST)

Where Devastator and his components are concerned, does the use of ''Universe'' 2003 toys really count as [[repurposing]] when the toy never had contemporary fiction? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:40, 9 January 2017 (EST)

== Classics survivors on Axiom Nexus ==

How do we cite that final back page from OTFCC issue #72 in the Fiction sections? Where the Classics characters survived into Axiom Nexus? Just {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 72}}?
:"Epilogue" was the only thing we called it. (Thanks, Jesse) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:24, 2 January 2017 (EST)
::I just took it as part of the OMAM comic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:57, 2 January 2017 (EST)

== GoBots sister wiki: An Ultimatum ==

Inspired by some person whining about GoBots on TFWiki this morning on Tumblr, I am going to reiterate my standing offer as publicly as possible:

'''If you are a person who would contribute to a GoBots sister wiki, stand up and be counted. If there's interest, I will create said wiki on ShoutWiki, and set it up with the basic set of templates needed for people to jump in and start making articles for characters, episodes, etc. You'll be able to go about everything exactly as if you were doing it on TFWiki.'''

Thanks to my having already done the legwork for the IDW Hasbro Wiki, this will be very simple - just starting the wiki and then importing an XML of all the relevant templates and CSS. I have no particular interest in contributing to a GoBots wiki, but I'm 100% ready and willing to get it running for those who would.

'''DISCLAIMER: If you've read this and don't come forward with your interest, you void any right to bring up the topic of GoBots coverage on TFWiki ever again, lest you be hurled into the hugging sun.'''

--[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:Hell yeah. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::I'd like this to exist, but I admittedly won't be of much use other than organizational stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::Count me in! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::Obviously. Though with the caveat that I won't be touching my own stuff, which is a lot of the modern-era bits. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:56, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::: I'll do my best to help out. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:17, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::::This is a great idea and I will help. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:06, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::I'm in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:59, 5 January 2017 (EST)
Okay, this is going to go ahead. Hoping to set it up at the weekend. Planning discussion is currently happening the [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135861-the-god-damn-gobots-wiki/ Allspark thread]. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:20, 5 January 2017 (EST)
:Fun fact: it's been more active this week than the old TF wikia site.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:40, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::That's what we call "winning." :D -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:15, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::Okay, I actually have a serious comment, too: would it be appropriate to maintain a permanent link to the GB Wiki on our main page? Or just use an external link template on all GoBots pages? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:18, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::::The external links are already being added, but I do agree that this (and the IDW Hasbro wiiki) deserve a big call out, at least for a while.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:21, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::::Could we add them to the main page's fake disambiguation box as well? That would be fun. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 18:10, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Serious question: is there a "Community Portal" type page for the GB wiki?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:02, 10 January 2017 (EST)

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=="diff | hist" problem==
Something happened to the feature that shows you what changed on a page in the history... the backing boxes are gone and the altered text is no longer in red. Which kinda compromises the usefulness of the feature. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:44, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Still working for me--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Works for me, too. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:20, 13 January 2017 (EST)

== Scope of TfWiki ==

I'm just curious about the scope of our wiki. I know that if things are official and Transformers related, they are covered here. So things like Gobots and GI Joe are only covered when they involve Transformers. But what about the human and alien characters from Transformers? If say Spike Witwicky were to appear in a random issue of GI Joe or in any Hasbro property where there isn't a single Transformer or perhaps he even gets his own spinoff show, as boring as that would be, (and let's just forget about revolution for a moment because I feel like that complicates things a bit), would it be covered here? How would this wiki cover things like that? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 01:50, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:It's hard to forget about Revolution when that's the only example we can point to. The general, simplified scope of the Wiki has always been "When Hasbro/Takara uses/authorizes use of ''Transformers'' (the property), we cover it." But that came the implicit understanding that Has/Tak was only using Transformers stuff IN Transformers franchises. The blended Hasbro universe was unfathomable at the time. Now, we're being forced to fathom it. Thus far, the only example is Revolution, which has prompted users of the Wiki to formulate an entire separate [[http://idwhasbro.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page|IDW Hasbro Wiki]] to cover the expanded universe Transformers has stumbled backwards into at Hasbro's request. Further examples of TF or no-TF characters from TF franchises used in non-TF outlets by Hasbro would have to be considered as they happened, because the Wiki really has no plan for that at this time. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:58, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:: I see. Are the IDW versions of the Transformers going to be covered at the Hasbro ID Wiki? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 21:24, 22 January 2017 (EST)

==Foreign Name Policy==
Apparently there has been a discussion on AllSpark about Rāge/Rage and where to put her. So my question is, are we revisiting the wiki's stance on English name primacy? Because this is a very clear-cut case of a foreign character receiving an English language name. If so, are guys like Stepper/Ricochet and Gelshark/Sky-Byte, who were both brought up in that discussion, back on the table? I'm having trouble following the logic here. Like, to the point where I'm having a hard time understanding why it's even up for a vote. Are all policies subject to vote now upon specific implementation? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:44, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Because even if you were correct about implementing the policy, you did it wrong. Under the English name first policy, "Rāge" would be moved to "Rage (BWN)", since that's her franchise of origin, not "Rage (BW)". You would have known that if you consulted with other contributors first. Instead, regardless of the results of the vote, now we have to go back and undo the multiple pages you altered to the erroneous link of "Rage (BW)". For Primus's sake, Giggidy...you don't understand the wiki's policies on when to move pages. You KNOW you don't understand the wiki's policies. You've been screamed at by the owner and administrators of the wiki for moving pages. And yet you refuse to learn the very simple behavior of ''asking first and waiting for a response.'' What part of this is still unclear? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)
::I'll admit I was confused on the BW / BWN disambiguation, but that's an easy fix that can be accomplished in less than 10 minutes once Rage (BWN) gets deleted. But the Rāge thing is baffling. I know that our policy is English language names taking primacy. Add in that it's very difficult to type out macrons for most people and that there's a whole lot more fiction for her in English and in Japan, and that it's more accessible, and that it's shown up in both AVP and BWU, and I find the idea of it coming up for a vote incomprehensible. Which is why I'm asking, are we changing our policy on English language names taking priority. And, as for asking first, that's exactly what I did! I suggested a move, waited a MONTH, reiterated the suggestion, waited a week, and then attempted to execute. I thought no one else gave a damn. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:31, 22 January 2017 (EST)
Related: do we want to move [[Lione]] to [[Sawback (Headmasters)]]? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Obviously yes. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:48, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Related: why is the Headmasters disambiguation at "Headmasters" and not "HM". Did that ever come up for discussion or did we fall backwards into it? Since it's only used 4 times, it'd be an easy fix. Does anyone have strong feelings one way or the other? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:26, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:"Headmasters" is one word, so using the whole word is consistent with how we treat other one-word franchises (Armada, Victory, etc). Super-God Masterforce is a better example of how we've bypassed policy and gone with the clearer, more frequently used disambig ("Masterforce") over the more obscure but sticking to policy one ("SGM"). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:53, 23 January 2017 (EST)

Well if this subject is actually getting some attention, then are there any arguments for or against moving "Rāge" to "Rage (BWN)"? I point out that while "Rage (BWN)" would technically be following primacy of English names, this "English name" only involves a minor orthographic change, was established years after the fact in another minor continuity, and don't we now and then like to break from the ubiquitous pattern of having to use parentheticals when it's not unreasonable to do so? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:02, 23 January 2017 (EST)
: I would not support moving the page because of Uprising, because Uprising has its own "continuity in a blender" thing going on, with its own unique Naming Conventions to change and alter character titles. I would support moving it because the unique character "ā" makes searching for the Queen counter-intuitive and harder to find for unfamiliar visitors and difficult for editors to assign links. That said, if "Rage (BWN)" is a functional redirect for "Rāge", I don't think it matters at all WHICH of the two is the ''actual'' page title. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::It's not that hard to use the Edit Tools below the summary box to add the macron. "Makes things easier for editors" should not be a directive. As for finding it, everybody will still type "rage" into the search box and be led to the disambiguation page that will have her regardless of article title. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:47, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Uprising or not, the character was also referred to as "Rage" in Ask Vector Prime, which does not particularly have unique Naming Conventions. Arguments in favor of the move: One, that's our policy. Two, she has considerably more fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Three, she has considerably more ''accessible'' fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Freely downloadable PDFs versus ancient low-print-run BWN manga. Four, Rāge is in fact difficult to write and type. I always find myself cutting and pasting. Five, she's never actually been officially referred to as "Rāge" anywhere, ever, in any fiction. If you are really a purist, then wouldn't "ラーゲ" make more sense, especially if as Saix argues making things easier for editors isn't a priority? Six, you need to have a functional knowledge of conventions for transliterating Japanese to English to be able to read and understand how to pronounce Rāge. 99% of our audience or more will look at that and think "Raaay-j", rather than "rah-geh". Arguments against the move: one, it's been at Rāge a long time. Two, it's how the character was first introduced to the fandom, such as it was. Any other?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:34, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::::Your points 2 and 3 are flawed. Rage only properly appeared in 1 BWU story, and while BWU is indeed more accessible, I don't see how niche Internet-only Club fiction has that much more ground on old manga. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:35, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::This "people won't understand how to say it" is kind of an annoying point. We wouldn't be having that sort of argument if it were a non-English word natively rendered in Latin characters. People can't pronounce foreign dub actors' names correctly. We had the Chinese characters at their strict Pinyin names even though most people don't understand how to read it. I'm not sure why "can readers pronounce it correctly" even matters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:21, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::::::"Rage" isn't happening. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:09, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::Is that you voting against it? Or you tallying the vote? I don't really see any kind of consensus one way or the other. And are there greater policy implications? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:03, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::I agree that Uprising's name conventions are too, well, unconventional for it to be able to take precedence over an established-for-years name. However, the macron was never official and arguably never correct in the first place. The Japanese extended A is not the English long A, and the macron implies the latter. Aren't Japanese extended vowels normally represented by just doubling the vowel in romanization? I think "Raage" would be more correct than "Rāge". [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 19:51, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Macrons are used in Hepburn romanization to indicate lengthened vowels because there are native words with two As next to each other that are pronounced separately. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:04, 23 January 2017 (EST)

== The extent of our G.I. Joe coverage ==

So this is a subject that was talked about on the AllSpark but that should be raised here, just because I've spotted Charles's edit to the Cobra article today. So we're doing G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue articles, because Skywarp's in it and they use the Nemesis as their base and have Cybertronian weapons. Okay, fine and dandy, no problem. BUT. Outside of those limited cases, I do '''not''' think we want to be updating the Joes' and Cobras' character articles with every issue's information. Lady Jaye and Gung-Ho's articles do not need to have detailed write-ups of their mission in Greece, for instance. This is an odd situation and we need to have a line regarding how ''much'' of the content of these issues needs covered on the characters' individual articles, when this is what we have the IDW Hasbro Wiki for. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:20, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:Okay, what I'd say:
:*Character articles get a very generic overview line with a link-out to the IDW Hasbro Wiki. Like, "Lady Jaye was a member of G.I. Joe who worked for the team after Skywarp joined." No real information that doesn't directly pertain to Skywarp being involved.
:*The G.I. Joe and Cobra articles get sllllightly more detailed summaries that still link out to IDWHW for full coverage. These, again, would mostly center on Transformers involvement (the Nemesis, the laser guns, Skywarp).
:*Anything/anyone that actually appears in a Transformers title gets a full writeup of those exploits, but will still link out to IDWHW for anything that isn't in a TF comic.
:Y/N?--[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:34, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, I figure we should basically do what we do when an article links out to a "Examplor (G1)/Example G1 continuity" type sub-page - one or two summary paragraphs with the Main (or MainIDW in this case) template at the top. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:19, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::That all sounds very reasonable. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 27 January 2017 (EST)

== Maintenance ==

I'm going to do some maintenance on the server shortly. It may make the site slow temporarily, but we'll see... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:08, 18 February 2017 (EST)
:All finished! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:00, 18 February 2017 (EST)

== Use of "parsed" ==

"Parsed" is often used on here to describe how names or titles are written, but I submit that it's not a good word choice in these cases. "Parse" is like "read", whereas something like "render" would be more like "write" which would be more appropriate to the intent of a line like "Sometimes his name is parsed Cross-Cut". I'm sure the difference doesn't matter to many people, but I personally was legitimately puzzled the first several times I encountered it here and I expect it's happened to others as well. I figured I'd submit this for discussion before actually making any changes in case there was a good argument for continuing to use "parsed" instead of "rendered". [[User:Steelfire|Steelfire]] ([[User talk:Steelfire|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:"Spelled" would be a better option than "parsed" here too. I'm not sure why we're using "parsed" in this way... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 19 February 2017 (EST)
::I think I read in the dictionary some years ago that we were not using "parse" correctly, but I could never be bothered to point this out. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:::Yeah, "parsed" is synonymous with "understood as". For instance, IAMNOWHERE can be parsed as "I am nowhere" or "I am now here". So the word is only appropriate when there's some level of analysis and interpretation involved. Translations, for instance: When [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#His_stupid_name|this note about Deathsaurus's name]] lists all the romanizations people have come up with, I think you could validly say his name has been "parsed" in those ways because they involve trying to extract something sensible to English speakers from the unclear Japanese. But unfortunately we've rarely used the word in situations like that; [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=parsed&fulltext=Search the vast majority of the time] it's been used to describe the presence or absence of hyphens and spaces. If those had an effect on meaning, such as in IAMNOWHERE, that could be appropriate, but I don't see any instances where that's the case. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] ([[User talk:Jackpot|talk]]) 13:56, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== IDWHasbro link icons ==

Links to the IDWHasro Wiki should now have the favicon for that site auto-inserted on the end. I made an exception for [[Template:MainIDW]] because I thought it looked redundant to have icons after each link, but thoughts? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:15, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

== Crew pages ==

I've been going through the orphaned pages and I found there's a lot of "person X was this crew member on Y movie or Z tv show." Would a cast and crew credits page for the individual TV shows and movies be a helpful idea in cleaning this up? Otherwise I'm at a loss as to where to link a random stunt pilot or storyboard artist. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 16:22, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think it's a good idea. We already have limited crew credits on [[Transformers (film)]], so we could have a link to a subpage with the full credits. Though maybe leave the names unlinked until they have actual pages, to avoid flooding the Wanted Pages list with a ton of new entries. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:44, 3 April 2017 (EDT)

== New anti-spam measure ==

Since we had to shut down signups last week due to spam, I've implemented a mediawiki plugin (You can see it listed in [[Special:Version]] as Sentinel) to try to automatically ban spammers - if you see a new user sign up and then get banned by WikiSysop, that means the plugin detected them trying to add spam to the wiki. It will also email a copy of what they were trying to add to me, so in the hopefully unlikely event someone who is not a spammer gets caught by it, I can unblock them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:49, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

== Foreign name format ==

Okay, I'm bringing this here as it affects a large number of pages. I recently changed the [[Eagle Eye (G2)]] page from "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' ("[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]", ホーク ''Hōku'')" to "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' (ホーク ''Hōku''. ''[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]'')" on the grounds that the previous version implied that "Badlands" was the translation of "Hawk". Flicky1991 reverted me on the grounds that the prior version matched the format used on many other pages. To me, this seems like a widespread error that needs to be fixed but I wanted to bring it up here before going on a hunt for all instances of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:35, 3 May 2017 (EDT)

== More maintenance ==

I'm going to do some more maintenance on the server in a couple of hours. There'll be a bit of downtime, but it should be brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:01, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
:All done, please go about your business! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:36, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

==Anti-spam AGAIN==
Okay, somehow spambots are getting through the automated stuff. And if YouTube, Steam and Twitter have proven anything, it's that relying solely on automation for administration doesn't fucking work. I'm pretty convinced there needs to be a HUMAN level of interaction for new account signups.<br>
[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3502427 As noted in the Allspark thread], one possibility is that new users are auto-blocked from editing any pages but their own talkpages. Said talkpage would also be automatically created with a template explaining that they need to put something ON this newly-created talkpage so we know they're human, and an admin will be along to unlock editing privileges once they've seen some evidence of human. And of course they'd be getting alerts to a change to their talkpage automatically, both in the topbar and via email, so it'd be hard to miss.<br>
Sure, they might have to wait a bit for an admin to come along. But there's almost always an admin online at any given point in the day, and I'd prefer this than cleaning up another rampage of fake Userpages full of shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:I am not actually sure how this new crop of spammers got past the anti-spam plugin I added. It should have caught them! I've disabled signups for now until I can take a look at it, but I'll have to look into if what you're suggesting is feasible to do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:16, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== List of female TFs ==

I've been looking at the [[List of female Transformers]] page, which has become pretty ungainly and cluttered, and wondering if there's a better way to handle it; and I've ended up wondering — do we actually need it? Particularly as female Transformers become more common and the lines between continuity families get blurrier, is there any particular role it serves that the Female Transfomers category doesn't? I'm fairly certain that it either isn't necessary or needs a big overhaul. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:31, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:I'll add my vote for "no longer necessary." The [[Female Transformer|Female Transformers]] page will have any relevant information about female Transformers in general, and the [[:Category:Female Transformers|Female Transformers Category]] is available for users who wish to browse a full listing. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
On this subject, I've noticed that a few of the characters that were female in Uprising have an "in most universes this character is male" note on their page, even if Uprising is the entirety of their fiction section... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 10:34, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

== Factions ==

I just noticed we have a category for factions but not an article for the general concept. Could just be an article saying something like "Most Transformers fiction revolves around wars between two or more factions", and then a description of the major factions in play in each continuity. Thoughts? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 13:02, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sure, sounds good to me.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 16:36, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== disambig pages ==

i'm editing a few disambig pages ([[Shockwave (disambiguation)]] at the moment), and i have some questions.

Is there a guideline for how to organize ''Not to be confused with'' sections? Alphabetically or chronologically, perhaps?

If something goes in the ''Not to be confused with'' section for a reason other than ''"their names are similar"'', should the disambig page explain ''why'' so-and-so is on such-and-such (disambiguation)? (Example: Shockwave disambiguates [[Nitro Zeus| Nitro]] and [[Whirl (G1)| Whirl]].)

How similar do names have to be to go on a disambig page (in the main section or ''Not to be confused with'')? (Example: i'm thinking of adding [[Shockdrive]] to Shockwave's disambig.)

At what point should ''Not to be confused with'' be replaced with (or augmented by) ''see other articles starting with [whatever]''? (i'm probably about to add [[Special:PrefixIndex/Shock|other articles that start with "Shock"]] to [[Shockwave (disambiguation)]].)

...i'll come back if i remember the other questions i wanted to ask.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 19:05, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think adding a lot of less relevant names to disambiguation pages makes it harder for people to find stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:38, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::Speaking of disambig pages, I've noticed a few characters have had their toy sections split off from their main pages without the toy pages being added to the disambig pages as we'd usually do... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 05:41, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== New page: Flight Stands ==

Hi, I created a new page for the [[flight stand]] and flight stand port gimmick. Would appreciate some help fleshing it out. --[[User:Exastiken|Exastiken]]([[User talk:Exastiken|talk]]) 1:50, 6 June 2017 (PST)

== Fun Publications Prose Stories and Comics ==

I've started re-reading the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] prose stories and was surprised at how under-developed the pages on this wiki are for [[Dungeons & Dinobots]] and [[Do Over]]. A glance around some of the other pages has rather cemented the idea that, especially for continuities that crop up everywhere on this wiki, the pages are kinda confusing. Now that FunPub's shut its doors this seems like an ideal moment to get the house in order. Most of this stuff should technically go on the individual talk pages but that seems rather scattershot. Here are my observations:

*Apparently several prose stories received prologues in the pages of the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Club Magazine]]. This was mentioned once in 2009 on D&D's talk page and once again in 2009 on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] talk page, and never got addressed. There's mention of 'Story Previews' on the page for the magazine with no explanation of what those previews contained or where they were reprinted. What follows are some specific examples:
**[[The Dark Heart of Sandokan]] (which is also in need of a checkup by someone who's actually read the story - it's got a stub at the bottom) had a prologue in Mag #13
**[[The Razor's Edge]] got one in #14, which was apparently included without ceremony in the synopsis text. Again, the notes are a stub. (I tried to read this story once and couldn't get past the first two pages, so I can't really blame it for being overlooked.)
**[[Gone Too Far]], [[Withered Hope]] and [[I, Lowtech]] each got a 1-page comic in #19-21, which (to my memory) were included in the PDFs for the actual text.
**[[Dungeons & Dinobots]] got a 1-page prologue in #22 featuring [[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] (which is actually a lot of fun) which receives... no mention. Anywhere. Looking at the page for #22, I would never have realised that it was anything special.
**[[At Fight's End]] apparently had a 3-page comic in #30 which was included in full in the PDF. Other than a small note halfway down the 'Notes' section basically acknowledging its existence, there's no hint of this on the page or which parts of the synopsis relate to the prologue.

*I kinda get why the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] page is structured the way it is, but as somebody who came to Timelines with no prior experience, I found it extremely confusing.
**At the top there's listed all the 'Timelines' issues. That's fine, because it makes it clear that those were the full-size print comics published - most everything else on the page is digital.
**Right now, everything is split into two sections. BotCon stories and Club stories.
***BotCon stories are split by year, with notes on which medium and continuity each story was.
***Club stories are split by medium first, then year, with notes on which continuity each of those were part of.
**This is all great if you want to know how these things were distributed. Combine this page with that of the Magazine and you have a complete list of every piece of fiction FunPub ever put out. But all of that, other than where to originally obtain each thing, is basically irrelevant to somebody looking to read the stuff.
**The alternative is to look at the individual continuity pages. Those pages are haphazard and really need redesigning from the ground up, something I'd be happy to 'sandbox' if I knew how. The [[Transformers: Wings Universe]] page is nice but includes no information on the mediums of any of the stories. [[Transformers: TransTech]] and [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] are the worst - the former is basically a random list of stories and the latter is a sprawling mess with unlinked story names mixed up within paragraphs of over-detailed plot summaries. It's not helpful to somebody who's heard about these franchises in passing and is wondering what's going on.

*'Virtual Redecoes' have, starting with [[Beast Wars: Uprising|BW:U]], been included on the pages of the stories where they appear. [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)| Shattered Glass]] repurposings are listed on the relevant character pages and on the toyline page, but virtual redecoes (insofar as there are any) get no mention except on character pages. I think these should be handled more in line with BWU, where they get mentioned on the source story pages.

*The [[Dinobot (SG)]] page has listed 'Grimlock, Swoop, and seven others' and 'Goryu, Overkill, Slugfest, and five others'. I'd bet that the 'seven others' are SG versions of [[Slag (G1)]] (who is offhandedly mentioned in D&D), [[Sludge (G1)]], [[Snarl (G1)]], [[Dile]], [[Saur]], [[Graphy]] and [[Noise]], and that the 'five others' are the five remaining members of [[Dinoforce]]. Thoughts on that, and if there should be a note added on that page (and [[Dungeons & Dinobots]])? It's nowhere in the text, but can be extrapolated from how specific the numbers are and what the known Dinobots are.

*Seeing as we've got source pages for several of the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] Cybertronix texts, it'd be nice to include links to translated versions of all of them. Not necessarily source pages, but just a way of actually getting to the stuff - it's all very well saying 'the Cybertronix text shows the thoughts of Fortress Maximus' but it'd be nice to have a way at getting to the original.

*Can somebody please, please, please hunt down a recording of [[The Hot Rod]] and write it up? I know everyone hated that con's comic, but it's killing me seeing that page so empty. Somebody must have recorded it. If no-one knows where to find it, maybe it should go in the 'grails' box on the main page? Let's not just go off second-hand accounts.

That's basically everything I've noticed for now. In summary, it seems to me that these pages were created as and when they were needed and the club's erratic nature meant that things got more and more disorganised with time. I'm a long-time lurker who spent ages trawling the wiki to work out exactly how all of this fiction fit together, and many people would have given up in that time. I'm new to editing but have read most of the Timelines fiction and want to help out, so go easy on me yeah? Now that FunPub's done we can probably spruce up these pages and call it a day, right? - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:All really good observations. The problem is that nobody really has the will to go back and edit all of the Club/BotCon stories to meet a standard. The earlier pages were made before the wiki really started to have more dedicated synopses and notes and nobody really went back to beef them up because they simply aren't that great or important. Compound that with the exclusive nature of the stories, especially the magazine, and you rarely get people who care enough to fix up our coverage. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:15, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::I do want to get around to this. I'm currently doing the Complete AllSpark Almanac annotations, so maybe after I'm done with therm, I'll get to this. 14:28, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== Page count when listing errors ==

Probably a silly question, but I like consistency. How do we count pages in an issue? I'm never sure how to count 'em when adding a mention of a typo or something, and judging by the error subsections in various articles "page six" may mean everything from "page six, the cover of the issue being the first" to "page six without the cover, credits and summary/cast". - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 18:56, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

:Good question. i don't remember if TF comics ever have page numbers printed on them, but some comics do; official page numbers take precedence. In the absence of page numbers printed on the page, i prefer that the cover does not count as a page (call it "the front cover" if you have to refer to something there), and the back of the front cover does not count as a page ("inside front cover" or "page 0") even if it and page 1 form a [[wikipedia:Glossary_of_comics_terminology#Splash|splash page]] together. Page 1 is page 1 even if it's an ad, or a [[wikipedia:Edition notice|copyright page]], or a table of contents, or blank. The back of page 1 is page 2, which faces page 3 (sometimes a the left edge of a panel will be on page 2 and the right edge of the panel will be on page 3; if necessary, you may specify something like, "Optimus Prime's name is misspelled 'Mr. Potato Head' in the first panel of page 3, which is also part of the second panel of page 2"). The back of page 3 is page 4 and faces page 5, etc until the even-numbered last page of the book, which faces the "inside back cover" (no page number), whose flip side is "the back cover" (no page number).

:All page numbers may change when reprints (such as trade paperbacks) remove/insert ads, reprinted covers and cover variants, letters pages, concept art, etc. So make sure you specify what edition you're referencing when you give a page number.

:My [[Shanix|two cents]].

:--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:50, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::The wiki generally starts counting from the first page of story, as far as I'm aware. So, for instance, if the first two sides after the inside-cover are a 'Previously' and a cast list, those wouldn't be counted. And with IDW issues, there's no ads during the story, so there's not any potential for ambiguity there. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:02, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the input! My preferred solution is the one mentioned by Jalaguy, but I wasn't sure whether it was the right one. - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 11:56, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== disambiguation questions ==

If something appears on a disambiguation page, is there any reason the actual article should ''not'' have a disambig hatnote? Example: [[Breakdown_(disambiguation)#Media_with_.22Breakdown.22_in_the_title|Breakdown (disambiguation)]] links to [[Transformers: Breakdown|''Transformers: Breakdown'']], but not vice versa.

[[Generations (disambiguation)]] does not mention [[Generation 1 (disambiguation)|Generation 1]], [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']], [[Special:PrefixIndex/Regeneration|Regeneration]] [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|''One'']], or [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']]; should it? and/or should we create [[Generation (disambiguation)]] for those? [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']] and [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']] do not have disambig links to each other, either.

Not necessary, but would it be funny for [[Falcon (disambiguation)]] to link to [[Popular_Earth_vehicle_alternate_modes#F-16_Fighting_Falcon|F-16 Fighting Falcon]] and ''[[Millennium Falcon]]''?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:26, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

== Aligned cartoon continuity ==

None of the Aligned character pages arrange the fiction sections into any continuity dichotomy. While we may treat Aligned as roughly 1 storyline, shouldn't stories clearly tied into the cartoons be arranged together à la the Beast Wars character pages? e.g. novels, the ''Covenant'', then sectioned together: ''Prime'' cartoon, ''Rescue Bots'' cartoon, 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon, Japanese cartoon continuity, and then ancillary media by order of release date. At least things like the Pop-Up book don't belong with the rest. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:31, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
:Oh, most certainly. Chronological order only works for so long. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 01:42, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

== 'Other continuities' galleries ==

Reactions were generally positive last time I brought the concept up on the Allspark, so I've rolled out 'other versions' galleries to five versions of Slag:

*[[Slag (G1)]]
*[[Snarl (Animated)]]
*[[Slug (FOC)]]
*[[Slug (AOE)]]
*[[Slug (Adventure)]]

The idea is that these fill a gap disambig pages sometimes can't, when characters change names between continuities, and allow users to easily find alternate versions of a character they're interested in. My intention is that the galleries would only cover the "main" continuity families, so no SG, Kre-O, etc. Thoughts on the implementation? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

:I am in favour of this, although I can see it causing arguments about who is a version of who. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:24, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:I'm not sure. I'd rather put this information on the disambiguation pages, either include it in the main gallery section or give it its own section under that. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 16:55, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::Disambiguation pages go by name (and spelling), though. Surely there must be some use to helping a reader know that "[[Slog (AOE)]]" is the movieverse version of "[[Sludge (G1)]]" when nothing on G1 Sludge's page says so. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::You could do that by adding AOE Slog to the Sludge disambiguation page, probably in a new "Related Characters" section (and still have the image for him). [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:42, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
Given comments that this could be obtrusive, and the unfortunate fact that some "alternative versions" of characters don't actually have visuals, I've added "See also" sections to [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#See also|various]] [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|Wreck-Gar]] [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)#See also|pages]] as an alternative. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:23, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

== C.O.P.S. ==

With Revolution tying all the Hasbro properties that were only previous implied to coexist in the same universe (atleast in the case of the Sunbow cartoon-verse), I began to notice something. Vector Prime seemingly confirms that the cartoon COPS takes place in the "G1 cartoon universe", but IDW doesn't seem to have any sort of revival planned, as far as I'm aware and now I must ask, is COPS a property even owned by Hasbro (and is just forgotten) or is it owned by another company, and the connections made by Ask Vector Prime and Larry Hama were just easter-eggs? [[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 04:06, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:It was based on a Hasbro toyline, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:10, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::To be precise, the name was "C.O.P.S ’n’ Crooks". The more you know. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 04:28, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

== Maintenance downtime ==

Heads up! We'll have some downtime in a couple of hours for maintenance reasons. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:17, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
:The maintenance is done. Please let me know if the site is acting oddly or you otherwise see anything amiss. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
::There's going to be a bit more in half an hour. Hopefully brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:31, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
:::And all done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:20, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
::::Another round in about half an hour. Sorry! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::Once more, maintenance completed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:14, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::And one more lot in about half an hour. That should hopefully be it for a while. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:57, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::All maintenance now complete. Please go about your business. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:44, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

== Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections ==

Do readers of this wiki find the long statistics on EW/FtF character pages useful? (e.g. [[Windblade (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars]]) I can see some practicality to them, but they look rather out of place compared to every other game segment on this wiki's character pages, which are traditionally devoted to narrative-style recaps. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:07, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:I don't care for them, personally. They're like the tech spec numbers we actively decided against trying to incorporate because they are big and unwieldy, and the site isn't really supposed to be a gaming wiki. On the other hand, we've long had game information for, say, Attacktix on the appropriate pages, so it's not without precedent. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 00:09, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

As the user who took the most initiative to write up Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections for each character, my intent is for the in-game info is to list the ''general basic information'' of what they are in-game, and adding an external link to other wikis that covers their more technical information.

If Forged to Fight characters' game info feels too cluttered, they could be replaced with a link to their pages on the [http://transformers-forged-to-fight.wikia.com| Transformers: Forged to Fight Wikia], but it's just started and I'm the only active user there. --[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 02:45, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you for working on those, by the way. I don't play EW but have been enjoying FTF, and since there is a little story there I'm pleased someone has been recording it. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 12:13, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

==Russia's "Portal" series==
This has been out for 8-12 months already and we don't even have a stub for it. I have a bit of a hard time parsing the language on this, but could anyone else take a stab at it please? Or is this just a Russian market rename of something we do already have? http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/02/18/transformers-portal-official-crossover-titans-return-robots-disguise-333592 --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:56, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

== Taiwanese Mandarin names ==

I doubt there are many interested in this subject, but as a public service announcement, I propose that where this wiki lists Mandarin names from the Taiwanese market, we romanize them using hanyu pinyin as opposed to the haphazard semi-Wade-Giles that currently pervades this wiki. I'm of Taiwanese descent myself and acknowledge the distinctions in the Taiwanese accent, but this isn't a linguistics wiki, and pinyin is the most convenient way to go. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:00, 29 September 2017 (EDT)
:Sure. I think it was only TX55 who was for Wade-Giles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:12, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

== Crossover appearances in other merchandise lines ==

I know we have policies for how to handle guest appearances in other fiction, but what's the policy for when a Transformers character appears officially as part of another property in a merchandise capacity? Specifically, I'm not sure what to do about the two [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hascon-2017-magic-the-gathering-exclusive-cards-featuring-transformers-grimlock/39087/ Grimlock cards] released as HasCon exclusives for Magic the Gathering. Would they go on G1 Grimlock's merchandise page? Would it be better to make a MtG article that covers them? <s>Just a blurb on the HasCon 2017 page?</s> ''(I guess that one's already there.)'' Some combination thereof? Or are they not even notable enough for inclusion? Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:29, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
:Just put the cards in merch. Make a MtG page that focuses primarily on the Transformers elements in it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
i just added the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Rubik's Crew|Optimus Prime]] [[Rubik's Cube]] (should we note there's also a [https://www.hasbro.com/en-us/product/rubik-s-crew-my-little-pony-pinkie-pie-edition:166CE6A6-5056-9047-F504-FCB5AE9E2BBB My Little Pony Rubik's Cube?]), and i was thinking about putting the no-longer-available [https://www.hexbug.com/hexbug-nano-transformers.html Hexbug Nano Transformers] on the wiki somewhere. i'm going to add Allspark Pictures to [[Transformers names in other Hasbro lines]], but i wonder if it should also go on [[Allspark (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:34, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

== 4K Goodness ==

When [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)/home_video]] exists it'll likely get some mention of what isn't yet listed [[Transformers:_The_Last_Knight_(film)#Home_video_releases|here]], but the first four films are getting an upgrade too: [http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=14168390#post14168390], [http://www.homemediamagazine.com/high-def/uhds-breakout-year-40831] In fact, 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray (or however it's gonna be spelled) could stand to be another redirect to [[Home video]], like [[Blu-ray]], [[VHS]], and [[DVD]], but sadly not [[LaserDisc]] (yet?).
[[User:Klknoles|Klknoles]] ([[User talk:Klknoles|talk]]) 00:56, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

==Crap ton of Questions ==

Heya. I got some questions.

''TLK'':
*The credits say Mark Ryan voiced the World War 1 Tank/Lieutenant. We know the World War Tank 1 is Bulldog, but who is Lieutenant? It has to be the Spitfire Autobot. He's old, so he is might be a lieutenant? Also, the Spitfire Autobot did talk, but we don't know his voice actor since we don't know his name. The only character who didn't get named and was voiced was the Spitfire Autobot. So the Spitfire Autobot has to be Lieutenant who is voiced by Mark Ryan. And also the Lieutenant can't just be another name for Bulldog because slashes in the credits are different charcters, i.g. Crosshairs/Nitro Zeus.

*Should the Tiny Turbo Changers on the TLK toyline be put in alphabetical order?

*Should we include the TLK-EX stuff (Transformers Tribute in Japan)? Because they use Transformers The Last Knight for their product name, so I was thinking we should add it.

''Other'':
*Legends Doublecross' headmaster is not [[White Leo]]. All Japanese headmasters are just a smaller headmaster stage with a transector, and there is most likely no exception for this case. This is probably just a homage.
*Why is the LG EX Headmaster Pack are the American Headmasters, when Japan uses Transectors? (ex. Hardhead is Duros when it should be Hardhead)
*Can I move [[Elita One]] to Elite One (G1) because [[Elita One (COP)]] shares the spelling?

If you have a reason against me doing this, you should say it because I'll probably go through with these changes (Except Lieutenant). That's all folks! [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
:[[LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter|A chapter]] of the Legends comic said the LG-Ex headmaster set headmasters were the Nebulons. I can't comment on your other questions. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:38, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
::Ah I see. Thanks.[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 12:15, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so White Leo is actually the real White Leo according to the new comic. Good to know. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 21:06, 29 November 2017 (EST)

== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
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*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking), but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?

--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

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==Faction symbol bullets?==
While working on more page revamping, it struck me that it might be a good idea to look into replacing the bullets in the lists with tiny faction symbol markers. On the one hand, it would make things a bit more visually pleasing and sort good bots and bad-bots in the mixed waves.<br>
On the other, I'm not sure how we could pull that off without overloading things. A simple template like <nowiki>"{{bp-a1}}" (bullet point autobot 1)</nowiki>, making sure the graphics are actually tiny and not having the wiki software scale down the images? I mean, there can be HUNDREDS of these on a page. Thoughts from the more technically-minded? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:custombulletpoints.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
:I've created this mockup of what it would look like. The coding would be something like:
:<code><nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki></ul></nowiki></code>
:We'd have to specify the ul tags because mediawiki doesn't have a way to apply css classes to bullet points, as far as I can tell. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:59, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::Okiedoke. Sooo...
{{collist|5|
* a1 (Autobot G1)
* d1 (Autobot G1)
* a2 (Autobot G2)
* d2 (Autobot G2)
* m1 (Maximal BW)
* p1 (Predacon BW)
* mt (Mutant)
* m2 (Maximal BM)
* vh (Vehicon)
* bd (Dinobot BM)
* uc (Unicron)
* ac (Anti-Cybertron)
* mc (Mini-Con)
* p2 (Predacon Prime)
* sa (SG Autobot)
* sd (SG Decepticon)}}
::These seem like the most important ones. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:01, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:::I've added in the G1/2 and BW ones so we can try them out. The icons are just the ones from the insignia page resized, so if anyone wants to have a try at making them more legible, feel free. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:15, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::::For some reason it's putting "</li>" at the end. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:26, 11 December 2016 (EST)

It should work when they're used. E.G.:
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a2|[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-d2|[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-mt|[[Soundwave (BW)|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-m2|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-vh|[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-bd|[[Magmatron]]}}
</ul>
--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:28, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:Okay, I'd left off the <nowiki>"<ul>"s</nowiki>. Noice. I THINK we might need some half-and-halfs for multipacks. But that shouldn't be too many, I think... G1, G2, BW, SG... Oh and I guess Auto/Prime-Pred and Decep/Prime-Pred. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:39, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::I had a try at doing some split icons for the multipacks, but haven't had any luck. I did adjust the style to move the icons down a smidge so they line up better with the text, though it requires adding in a class to the ul tag thus: <nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki> --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:03, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Can you give it just a tiny nudge to the right? So they end up slightly indented under the column headers, which makes them easier to read. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:50, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Tweaked. I think I've got it approximately the same indent as the non-icon lists now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:14, 12 December 2016 (EST)

REALLY not liking this. Looks far too cluttered to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Request for vehicon template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 16:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Added the Beast Machines ones. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Request for mini-cons template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 17:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Added! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:45, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::::Request for Shattered Glass templates [[User:IronyMann|IronyMann]] ([[User talk:IronyMann|talk]]) 03:48, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Request for Combatron template for Japanese releases. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:41, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::: Request for Unicron faction symbol. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2016 (EST)
::::::: I have added these. Unified documentation is [[Template:Bp-a1/doc|here]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Off the top of my head while going through the Beast Wars page, we'll need hybrid Maximal/Predacon insignias and then... what do we do for oddball one-off things like the Starscream/Waspinator 2-pack? [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:32, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Is Waspinator actually labeled as a Pred in that set, or a Decep? Honestly in either case I'd be okay with just using the Decepticon symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:36, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Will entries on the [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline page]] need two bullets each for faction and associated planet? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:00, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Sorry, when I called it the "Unicron" symbol, I meant the Blentron Unicron-head symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:07, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:Ahhh, got it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:51, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Uploading some half-an-half icons. I'm not making the templates because I'm bluntly not feeling up to it. Just getting the visuals out of the way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:44, 13 December 2016 (EST)

== Kre-O pages with toys ==

The merging of ''Kre-O'' characters who are unambiguously based on 1 existing archetype with said archetype fell to the wayside some time ago. Anyone want to join me in restarting it? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:54, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:I didn't merge them back then because Sipher nixed the idea. If there's no opposition now, I'll help with merging them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:29, 27 December 2016 (EST)
::Wasn't around when Sipher nixed it, but I'll help too as many have been merged already. [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 07:08, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:::If we go through with this, we should probably begin by compiling a list to avoid any confusion over who does and does not qualify. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 02:43, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::::Already made a list [[User:Saix#preelm_Kre-O_merge_list|here]]. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:16, 28 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not sure the combiners should be merged. All of them have a distinct lineup, and the Terrorcons are a mix of G1 and ''Prime'' influences. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:58, 28 December 2016 (EST)
:"Distinct lineup" is pretty weak now we have Combiner Wars combiners with varying members and the G1 Terrorcons have used their Prime designs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::For that reason wont it be hard to tell which Transformer the Kreo is meant to represent when the same toy design has been used for multiple families? [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 21:13, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
I'm not sure if the ''Universe'' Soundwave Kreon should go on ''Machine Wars'' Soundwave's page, but what about putting the ''Music Label'' Soundwave Kreon on ''Shattered Glass'' Soundwave's page since the latter is precedent for independent white Soundwaves? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:34, 3 January 2017 (EST)

== Final Facebook fiction ==

Notice to all: Fun Publications is doing one final round of Facebook story posts. Let's wait at least a little while for this storyline to finish up before we add anything to the wiki. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:47, 31 December 2016 (EST)

== Derailment & Uprising pages ==

A number of small debates are popping up here and there about character pages for BWU. I thought we could agree here on some general rules for how to handle these pages, so the same conversation doesn't keep happening on several talk pages. There will be technicalities in certain cases, as always, but in general...
:* Characters drawn from non-Primax continuity families will get a new page, with a (BW) disambig. Aurex Mini-Cons like [[Synapse (BW)]], Uniend Predacons like [[Budora (BW)]], etc.
:* Exceptions will be for the Primax straddling Viron and Kre-O borrowed characters like [[Movor]] or [[Freefall (Kre-O)]]. Battle Beasts turned Cybertronians for Uprising will also be on the same page.
:* Some characters deliberately straddle two existing characters, like Deluge, Wideload, Stockade, Eagle Killer, etc. Individual consideration is necessary.
::* If the "composite" character draws more heavily on one existing character than the other (like Wideload who's clearly the Throttlebot but only borrowing the body-type and faction of the Classics Mini-Con), text should go on the more prominent page.
::* If the "composite" character is equally weighted, or little more than a cameo and a description, like Eagle Killer, it may be better to create a third Eagle Killer (BW) page acknowledging it as distinct from the two previous characters.
Anyone disagree with these guidelines, or have others they wish to add? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:39, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:What about a character/toy already spanning multiple non-G1 continuity families? Back when [[Rav (DOTM)]] appeared (not in beast mode) in "[[Identity Politics]]", I created [[Rav (BW)]]. But [[Catilla (DOTM)]] appears in "Derailment" (under "Katilla"). [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::Which is one reason for this thread, so we can at least get some consistent treatment. Those (DOTM) Mini-Cons seem like an odd situation. Am I right in assuming they weren't split when AVP used them in an Aurex cluster because there just wasn't enough material to bother having two pages? If we want to say ''"These (DOTM) guys have extremely small roles in multiple continuity families, so hug it, we're just going to have one page for each"'', I'm not...opposed to that. Depends on if someone has strong feelings about preserving the rule of splitting characters by Continuity Family. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:08, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::My bad on the Katilla front. I saw the ''Uprising'' header on his page and thought that meant it was were his fiction was meant to go. (Sorry.) [[User:Smasher|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher|talk]]) 22:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
The Book of Logos and the Lio Convoy historical paper are pretty extensive. Shall we create story articles for them as we did for "[[A Brush With Infamy–Prologue|A Brush With Infamy]]"? Perhaps as well with the Predacon Manifesto? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:28, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:I agree. Separate characters, separate events. Too extensive to try and lay out in the Notes section alone. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 22:42, 1 January 2017 (EST)
Can anyone identify these characters? On page 33 of "Derailment" there is a "teal and grey Predacon" with a wrist-mounted autocannon. On page 55 there's a male "grey/purple" Micromaster. And more likely to be generics: on page 33 is an "enterprising Maximal ro-simian" and on page 118 is a "red and green" male Maximal who is converted into a Vehicon. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:30, 1 January 2017 (EST)

Where Devastator and his components are concerned, does the use of ''Universe'' 2003 toys really count as [[repurposing]] when the toy never had contemporary fiction? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:40, 9 January 2017 (EST)

== Classics survivors on Axiom Nexus ==

How do we cite that final back page from OTFCC issue #72 in the Fiction sections? Where the Classics characters survived into Axiom Nexus? Just {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 72}}?
:"Epilogue" was the only thing we called it. (Thanks, Jesse) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:24, 2 January 2017 (EST)
::I just took it as part of the OMAM comic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:57, 2 January 2017 (EST)

== GoBots sister wiki: An Ultimatum ==

Inspired by some person whining about GoBots on TFWiki this morning on Tumblr, I am going to reiterate my standing offer as publicly as possible:

'''If you are a person who would contribute to a GoBots sister wiki, stand up and be counted. If there's interest, I will create said wiki on ShoutWiki, and set it up with the basic set of templates needed for people to jump in and start making articles for characters, episodes, etc. You'll be able to go about everything exactly as if you were doing it on TFWiki.'''

Thanks to my having already done the legwork for the IDW Hasbro Wiki, this will be very simple - just starting the wiki and then importing an XML of all the relevant templates and CSS. I have no particular interest in contributing to a GoBots wiki, but I'm 100% ready and willing to get it running for those who would.

'''DISCLAIMER: If you've read this and don't come forward with your interest, you void any right to bring up the topic of GoBots coverage on TFWiki ever again, lest you be hurled into the hugging sun.'''

--[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:Hell yeah. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::I'd like this to exist, but I admittedly won't be of much use other than organizational stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::Count me in! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::Obviously. Though with the caveat that I won't be touching my own stuff, which is a lot of the modern-era bits. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:56, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::: I'll do my best to help out. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:17, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::::This is a great idea and I will help. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:06, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::I'm in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:59, 5 January 2017 (EST)
Okay, this is going to go ahead. Hoping to set it up at the weekend. Planning discussion is currently happening the [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135861-the-god-damn-gobots-wiki/ Allspark thread]. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:20, 5 January 2017 (EST)
:Fun fact: it's been more active this week than the old TF wikia site.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:40, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::That's what we call "winning." :D -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:15, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::Okay, I actually have a serious comment, too: would it be appropriate to maintain a permanent link to the GB Wiki on our main page? Or just use an external link template on all GoBots pages? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:18, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::::The external links are already being added, but I do agree that this (and the IDW Hasbro wiiki) deserve a big call out, at least for a while.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:21, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::::Could we add them to the main page's fake disambiguation box as well? That would be fun. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 18:10, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Serious question: is there a "Community Portal" type page for the GB wiki?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:02, 10 January 2017 (EST)

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=="diff | hist" problem==
Something happened to the feature that shows you what changed on a page in the history... the backing boxes are gone and the altered text is no longer in red. Which kinda compromises the usefulness of the feature. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:44, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Still working for me--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Works for me, too. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:20, 13 January 2017 (EST)

== Scope of TfWiki ==

I'm just curious about the scope of our wiki. I know that if things are official and Transformers related, they are covered here. So things like Gobots and GI Joe are only covered when they involve Transformers. But what about the human and alien characters from Transformers? If say Spike Witwicky were to appear in a random issue of GI Joe or in any Hasbro property where there isn't a single Transformer or perhaps he even gets his own spinoff show, as boring as that would be, (and let's just forget about revolution for a moment because I feel like that complicates things a bit), would it be covered here? How would this wiki cover things like that? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 01:50, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:It's hard to forget about Revolution when that's the only example we can point to. The general, simplified scope of the Wiki has always been "When Hasbro/Takara uses/authorizes use of ''Transformers'' (the property), we cover it." But that came the implicit understanding that Has/Tak was only using Transformers stuff IN Transformers franchises. The blended Hasbro universe was unfathomable at the time. Now, we're being forced to fathom it. Thus far, the only example is Revolution, which has prompted users of the Wiki to formulate an entire separate [[http://idwhasbro.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page|IDW Hasbro Wiki]] to cover the expanded universe Transformers has stumbled backwards into at Hasbro's request. Further examples of TF or no-TF characters from TF franchises used in non-TF outlets by Hasbro would have to be considered as they happened, because the Wiki really has no plan for that at this time. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:58, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:: I see. Are the IDW versions of the Transformers going to be covered at the Hasbro ID Wiki? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 21:24, 22 January 2017 (EST)

==Foreign Name Policy==
Apparently there has been a discussion on AllSpark about Rāge/Rage and where to put her. So my question is, are we revisiting the wiki's stance on English name primacy? Because this is a very clear-cut case of a foreign character receiving an English language name. If so, are guys like Stepper/Ricochet and Gelshark/Sky-Byte, who were both brought up in that discussion, back on the table? I'm having trouble following the logic here. Like, to the point where I'm having a hard time understanding why it's even up for a vote. Are all policies subject to vote now upon specific implementation? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:44, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Because even if you were correct about implementing the policy, you did it wrong. Under the English name first policy, "Rāge" would be moved to "Rage (BWN)", since that's her franchise of origin, not "Rage (BW)". You would have known that if you consulted with other contributors first. Instead, regardless of the results of the vote, now we have to go back and undo the multiple pages you altered to the erroneous link of "Rage (BW)". For Primus's sake, Giggidy...you don't understand the wiki's policies on when to move pages. You KNOW you don't understand the wiki's policies. You've been screamed at by the owner and administrators of the wiki for moving pages. And yet you refuse to learn the very simple behavior of ''asking first and waiting for a response.'' What part of this is still unclear? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)
::I'll admit I was confused on the BW / BWN disambiguation, but that's an easy fix that can be accomplished in less than 10 minutes once Rage (BWN) gets deleted. But the Rāge thing is baffling. I know that our policy is English language names taking primacy. Add in that it's very difficult to type out macrons for most people and that there's a whole lot more fiction for her in English and in Japan, and that it's more accessible, and that it's shown up in both AVP and BWU, and I find the idea of it coming up for a vote incomprehensible. Which is why I'm asking, are we changing our policy on English language names taking priority. And, as for asking first, that's exactly what I did! I suggested a move, waited a MONTH, reiterated the suggestion, waited a week, and then attempted to execute. I thought no one else gave a damn. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:31, 22 January 2017 (EST)
Related: do we want to move [[Lione]] to [[Sawback (Headmasters)]]? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Obviously yes. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:48, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Related: why is the Headmasters disambiguation at "Headmasters" and not "HM". Did that ever come up for discussion or did we fall backwards into it? Since it's only used 4 times, it'd be an easy fix. Does anyone have strong feelings one way or the other? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:26, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:"Headmasters" is one word, so using the whole word is consistent with how we treat other one-word franchises (Armada, Victory, etc). Super-God Masterforce is a better example of how we've bypassed policy and gone with the clearer, more frequently used disambig ("Masterforce") over the more obscure but sticking to policy one ("SGM"). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:53, 23 January 2017 (EST)

Well if this subject is actually getting some attention, then are there any arguments for or against moving "Rāge" to "Rage (BWN)"? I point out that while "Rage (BWN)" would technically be following primacy of English names, this "English name" only involves a minor orthographic change, was established years after the fact in another minor continuity, and don't we now and then like to break from the ubiquitous pattern of having to use parentheticals when it's not unreasonable to do so? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:02, 23 January 2017 (EST)
: I would not support moving the page because of Uprising, because Uprising has its own "continuity in a blender" thing going on, with its own unique Naming Conventions to change and alter character titles. I would support moving it because the unique character "ā" makes searching for the Queen counter-intuitive and harder to find for unfamiliar visitors and difficult for editors to assign links. That said, if "Rage (BWN)" is a functional redirect for "Rāge", I don't think it matters at all WHICH of the two is the ''actual'' page title. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::It's not that hard to use the Edit Tools below the summary box to add the macron. "Makes things easier for editors" should not be a directive. As for finding it, everybody will still type "rage" into the search box and be led to the disambiguation page that will have her regardless of article title. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:47, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Uprising or not, the character was also referred to as "Rage" in Ask Vector Prime, which does not particularly have unique Naming Conventions. Arguments in favor of the move: One, that's our policy. Two, she has considerably more fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Three, she has considerably more ''accessible'' fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Freely downloadable PDFs versus ancient low-print-run BWN manga. Four, Rāge is in fact difficult to write and type. I always find myself cutting and pasting. Five, she's never actually been officially referred to as "Rāge" anywhere, ever, in any fiction. If you are really a purist, then wouldn't "ラーゲ" make more sense, especially if as Saix argues making things easier for editors isn't a priority? Six, you need to have a functional knowledge of conventions for transliterating Japanese to English to be able to read and understand how to pronounce Rāge. 99% of our audience or more will look at that and think "Raaay-j", rather than "rah-geh". Arguments against the move: one, it's been at Rāge a long time. Two, it's how the character was first introduced to the fandom, such as it was. Any other?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:34, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::::Your points 2 and 3 are flawed. Rage only properly appeared in 1 BWU story, and while BWU is indeed more accessible, I don't see how niche Internet-only Club fiction has that much more ground on old manga. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:35, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::This "people won't understand how to say it" is kind of an annoying point. We wouldn't be having that sort of argument if it were a non-English word natively rendered in Latin characters. People can't pronounce foreign dub actors' names correctly. We had the Chinese characters at their strict Pinyin names even though most people don't understand how to read it. I'm not sure why "can readers pronounce it correctly" even matters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:21, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::::::"Rage" isn't happening. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:09, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::Is that you voting against it? Or you tallying the vote? I don't really see any kind of consensus one way or the other. And are there greater policy implications? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:03, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::I agree that Uprising's name conventions are too, well, unconventional for it to be able to take precedence over an established-for-years name. However, the macron was never official and arguably never correct in the first place. The Japanese extended A is not the English long A, and the macron implies the latter. Aren't Japanese extended vowels normally represented by just doubling the vowel in romanization? I think "Raage" would be more correct than "Rāge". [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 19:51, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Macrons are used in Hepburn romanization to indicate lengthened vowels because there are native words with two As next to each other that are pronounced separately. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:04, 23 January 2017 (EST)

== The extent of our G.I. Joe coverage ==

So this is a subject that was talked about on the AllSpark but that should be raised here, just because I've spotted Charles's edit to the Cobra article today. So we're doing G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue articles, because Skywarp's in it and they use the Nemesis as their base and have Cybertronian weapons. Okay, fine and dandy, no problem. BUT. Outside of those limited cases, I do '''not''' think we want to be updating the Joes' and Cobras' character articles with every issue's information. Lady Jaye and Gung-Ho's articles do not need to have detailed write-ups of their mission in Greece, for instance. This is an odd situation and we need to have a line regarding how ''much'' of the content of these issues needs covered on the characters' individual articles, when this is what we have the IDW Hasbro Wiki for. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:20, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:Okay, what I'd say:
:*Character articles get a very generic overview line with a link-out to the IDW Hasbro Wiki. Like, "Lady Jaye was a member of G.I. Joe who worked for the team after Skywarp joined." No real information that doesn't directly pertain to Skywarp being involved.
:*The G.I. Joe and Cobra articles get sllllightly more detailed summaries that still link out to IDWHW for full coverage. These, again, would mostly center on Transformers involvement (the Nemesis, the laser guns, Skywarp).
:*Anything/anyone that actually appears in a Transformers title gets a full writeup of those exploits, but will still link out to IDWHW for anything that isn't in a TF comic.
:Y/N?--[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:34, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, I figure we should basically do what we do when an article links out to a "Examplor (G1)/Example G1 continuity" type sub-page - one or two summary paragraphs with the Main (or MainIDW in this case) template at the top. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:19, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::That all sounds very reasonable. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 27 January 2017 (EST)

== Maintenance ==

I'm going to do some maintenance on the server shortly. It may make the site slow temporarily, but we'll see... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:08, 18 February 2017 (EST)
:All finished! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:00, 18 February 2017 (EST)

== Use of "parsed" ==

"Parsed" is often used on here to describe how names or titles are written, but I submit that it's not a good word choice in these cases. "Parse" is like "read", whereas something like "render" would be more like "write" which would be more appropriate to the intent of a line like "Sometimes his name is parsed Cross-Cut". I'm sure the difference doesn't matter to many people, but I personally was legitimately puzzled the first several times I encountered it here and I expect it's happened to others as well. I figured I'd submit this for discussion before actually making any changes in case there was a good argument for continuing to use "parsed" instead of "rendered". [[User:Steelfire|Steelfire]] ([[User talk:Steelfire|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:"Spelled" would be a better option than "parsed" here too. I'm not sure why we're using "parsed" in this way... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 19 February 2017 (EST)
::I think I read in the dictionary some years ago that we were not using "parse" correctly, but I could never be bothered to point this out. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:::Yeah, "parsed" is synonymous with "understood as". For instance, IAMNOWHERE can be parsed as "I am nowhere" or "I am now here". So the word is only appropriate when there's some level of analysis and interpretation involved. Translations, for instance: When [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#His_stupid_name|this note about Deathsaurus's name]] lists all the romanizations people have come up with, I think you could validly say his name has been "parsed" in those ways because they involve trying to extract something sensible to English speakers from the unclear Japanese. But unfortunately we've rarely used the word in situations like that; [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=parsed&fulltext=Search the vast majority of the time] it's been used to describe the presence or absence of hyphens and spaces. If those had an effect on meaning, such as in IAMNOWHERE, that could be appropriate, but I don't see any instances where that's the case. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] ([[User talk:Jackpot|talk]]) 13:56, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== IDWHasbro link icons ==

Links to the IDWHasro Wiki should now have the favicon for that site auto-inserted on the end. I made an exception for [[Template:MainIDW]] because I thought it looked redundant to have icons after each link, but thoughts? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:15, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

== Crew pages ==

I've been going through the orphaned pages and I found there's a lot of "person X was this crew member on Y movie or Z tv show." Would a cast and crew credits page for the individual TV shows and movies be a helpful idea in cleaning this up? Otherwise I'm at a loss as to where to link a random stunt pilot or storyboard artist. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 16:22, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think it's a good idea. We already have limited crew credits on [[Transformers (film)]], so we could have a link to a subpage with the full credits. Though maybe leave the names unlinked until they have actual pages, to avoid flooding the Wanted Pages list with a ton of new entries. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:44, 3 April 2017 (EDT)

== New anti-spam measure ==

Since we had to shut down signups last week due to spam, I've implemented a mediawiki plugin (You can see it listed in [[Special:Version]] as Sentinel) to try to automatically ban spammers - if you see a new user sign up and then get banned by WikiSysop, that means the plugin detected them trying to add spam to the wiki. It will also email a copy of what they were trying to add to me, so in the hopefully unlikely event someone who is not a spammer gets caught by it, I can unblock them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:49, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

== Foreign name format ==

Okay, I'm bringing this here as it affects a large number of pages. I recently changed the [[Eagle Eye (G2)]] page from "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' ("[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]", ホーク ''Hōku'')" to "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' (ホーク ''Hōku''. ''[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]'')" on the grounds that the previous version implied that "Badlands" was the translation of "Hawk". Flicky1991 reverted me on the grounds that the prior version matched the format used on many other pages. To me, this seems like a widespread error that needs to be fixed but I wanted to bring it up here before going on a hunt for all instances of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:35, 3 May 2017 (EDT)

== More maintenance ==

I'm going to do some more maintenance on the server in a couple of hours. There'll be a bit of downtime, but it should be brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:01, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
:All done, please go about your business! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:36, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

==Anti-spam AGAIN==
Okay, somehow spambots are getting through the automated stuff. And if YouTube, Steam and Twitter have proven anything, it's that relying solely on automation for administration doesn't fucking work. I'm pretty convinced there needs to be a HUMAN level of interaction for new account signups.<br>
[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3502427 As noted in the Allspark thread], one possibility is that new users are auto-blocked from editing any pages but their own talkpages. Said talkpage would also be automatically created with a template explaining that they need to put something ON this newly-created talkpage so we know they're human, and an admin will be along to unlock editing privileges once they've seen some evidence of human. And of course they'd be getting alerts to a change to their talkpage automatically, both in the topbar and via email, so it'd be hard to miss.<br>
Sure, they might have to wait a bit for an admin to come along. But there's almost always an admin online at any given point in the day, and I'd prefer this than cleaning up another rampage of fake Userpages full of shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:I am not actually sure how this new crop of spammers got past the anti-spam plugin I added. It should have caught them! I've disabled signups for now until I can take a look at it, but I'll have to look into if what you're suggesting is feasible to do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:16, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== List of female TFs ==

I've been looking at the [[List of female Transformers]] page, which has become pretty ungainly and cluttered, and wondering if there's a better way to handle it; and I've ended up wondering — do we actually need it? Particularly as female Transformers become more common and the lines between continuity families get blurrier, is there any particular role it serves that the Female Transfomers category doesn't? I'm fairly certain that it either isn't necessary or needs a big overhaul. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:31, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:I'll add my vote for "no longer necessary." The [[Female Transformer|Female Transformers]] page will have any relevant information about female Transformers in general, and the [[:Category:Female Transformers|Female Transformers Category]] is available for users who wish to browse a full listing. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
On this subject, I've noticed that a few of the characters that were female in Uprising have an "in most universes this character is male" note on their page, even if Uprising is the entirety of their fiction section... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 10:34, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

== Factions ==

I just noticed we have a category for factions but not an article for the general concept. Could just be an article saying something like "Most Transformers fiction revolves around wars between two or more factions", and then a description of the major factions in play in each continuity. Thoughts? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 13:02, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sure, sounds good to me.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 16:36, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== disambig pages ==

i'm editing a few disambig pages ([[Shockwave (disambiguation)]] at the moment), and i have some questions.

Is there a guideline for how to organize ''Not to be confused with'' sections? Alphabetically or chronologically, perhaps?

If something goes in the ''Not to be confused with'' section for a reason other than ''"their names are similar"'', should the disambig page explain ''why'' so-and-so is on such-and-such (disambiguation)? (Example: Shockwave disambiguates [[Nitro Zeus| Nitro]] and [[Whirl (G1)| Whirl]].)

How similar do names have to be to go on a disambig page (in the main section or ''Not to be confused with'')? (Example: i'm thinking of adding [[Shockdrive]] to Shockwave's disambig.)

At what point should ''Not to be confused with'' be replaced with (or augmented by) ''see other articles starting with [whatever]''? (i'm probably about to add [[Special:PrefixIndex/Shock|other articles that start with "Shock"]] to [[Shockwave (disambiguation)]].)

...i'll come back if i remember the other questions i wanted to ask.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 19:05, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think adding a lot of less relevant names to disambiguation pages makes it harder for people to find stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:38, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::Speaking of disambig pages, I've noticed a few characters have had their toy sections split off from their main pages without the toy pages being added to the disambig pages as we'd usually do... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 05:41, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== New page: Flight Stands ==

Hi, I created a new page for the [[flight stand]] and flight stand port gimmick. Would appreciate some help fleshing it out. --[[User:Exastiken|Exastiken]]([[User talk:Exastiken|talk]]) 1:50, 6 June 2017 (PST)

== Fun Publications Prose Stories and Comics ==

I've started re-reading the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] prose stories and was surprised at how under-developed the pages on this wiki are for [[Dungeons & Dinobots]] and [[Do Over]]. A glance around some of the other pages has rather cemented the idea that, especially for continuities that crop up everywhere on this wiki, the pages are kinda confusing. Now that FunPub's shut its doors this seems like an ideal moment to get the house in order. Most of this stuff should technically go on the individual talk pages but that seems rather scattershot. Here are my observations:

*Apparently several prose stories received prologues in the pages of the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Club Magazine]]. This was mentioned once in 2009 on D&D's talk page and once again in 2009 on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] talk page, and never got addressed. There's mention of 'Story Previews' on the page for the magazine with no explanation of what those previews contained or where they were reprinted. What follows are some specific examples:
**[[The Dark Heart of Sandokan]] (which is also in need of a checkup by someone who's actually read the story - it's got a stub at the bottom) had a prologue in Mag #13
**[[The Razor's Edge]] got one in #14, which was apparently included without ceremony in the synopsis text. Again, the notes are a stub. (I tried to read this story once and couldn't get past the first two pages, so I can't really blame it for being overlooked.)
**[[Gone Too Far]], [[Withered Hope]] and [[I, Lowtech]] each got a 1-page comic in #19-21, which (to my memory) were included in the PDFs for the actual text.
**[[Dungeons & Dinobots]] got a 1-page prologue in #22 featuring [[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] (which is actually a lot of fun) which receives... no mention. Anywhere. Looking at the page for #22, I would never have realised that it was anything special.
**[[At Fight's End]] apparently had a 3-page comic in #30 which was included in full in the PDF. Other than a small note halfway down the 'Notes' section basically acknowledging its existence, there's no hint of this on the page or which parts of the synopsis relate to the prologue.

*I kinda get why the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] page is structured the way it is, but as somebody who came to Timelines with no prior experience, I found it extremely confusing.
**At the top there's listed all the 'Timelines' issues. That's fine, because it makes it clear that those were the full-size print comics published - most everything else on the page is digital.
**Right now, everything is split into two sections. BotCon stories and Club stories.
***BotCon stories are split by year, with notes on which medium and continuity each story was.
***Club stories are split by medium first, then year, with notes on which continuity each of those were part of.
**This is all great if you want to know how these things were distributed. Combine this page with that of the Magazine and you have a complete list of every piece of fiction FunPub ever put out. But all of that, other than where to originally obtain each thing, is basically irrelevant to somebody looking to read the stuff.
**The alternative is to look at the individual continuity pages. Those pages are haphazard and really need redesigning from the ground up, something I'd be happy to 'sandbox' if I knew how. The [[Transformers: Wings Universe]] page is nice but includes no information on the mediums of any of the stories. [[Transformers: TransTech]] and [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] are the worst - the former is basically a random list of stories and the latter is a sprawling mess with unlinked story names mixed up within paragraphs of over-detailed plot summaries. It's not helpful to somebody who's heard about these franchises in passing and is wondering what's going on.

*'Virtual Redecoes' have, starting with [[Beast Wars: Uprising|BW:U]], been included on the pages of the stories where they appear. [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)| Shattered Glass]] repurposings are listed on the relevant character pages and on the toyline page, but virtual redecoes (insofar as there are any) get no mention except on character pages. I think these should be handled more in line with BWU, where they get mentioned on the source story pages.

*The [[Dinobot (SG)]] page has listed 'Grimlock, Swoop, and seven others' and 'Goryu, Overkill, Slugfest, and five others'. I'd bet that the 'seven others' are SG versions of [[Slag (G1)]] (who is offhandedly mentioned in D&D), [[Sludge (G1)]], [[Snarl (G1)]], [[Dile]], [[Saur]], [[Graphy]] and [[Noise]], and that the 'five others' are the five remaining members of [[Dinoforce]]. Thoughts on that, and if there should be a note added on that page (and [[Dungeons & Dinobots]])? It's nowhere in the text, but can be extrapolated from how specific the numbers are and what the known Dinobots are.

*Seeing as we've got source pages for several of the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] Cybertronix texts, it'd be nice to include links to translated versions of all of them. Not necessarily source pages, but just a way of actually getting to the stuff - it's all very well saying 'the Cybertronix text shows the thoughts of Fortress Maximus' but it'd be nice to have a way at getting to the original.

*Can somebody please, please, please hunt down a recording of [[The Hot Rod]] and write it up? I know everyone hated that con's comic, but it's killing me seeing that page so empty. Somebody must have recorded it. If no-one knows where to find it, maybe it should go in the 'grails' box on the main page? Let's not just go off second-hand accounts.

That's basically everything I've noticed for now. In summary, it seems to me that these pages were created as and when they were needed and the club's erratic nature meant that things got more and more disorganised with time. I'm a long-time lurker who spent ages trawling the wiki to work out exactly how all of this fiction fit together, and many people would have given up in that time. I'm new to editing but have read most of the Timelines fiction and want to help out, so go easy on me yeah? Now that FunPub's done we can probably spruce up these pages and call it a day, right? - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:All really good observations. The problem is that nobody really has the will to go back and edit all of the Club/BotCon stories to meet a standard. The earlier pages were made before the wiki really started to have more dedicated synopses and notes and nobody really went back to beef them up because they simply aren't that great or important. Compound that with the exclusive nature of the stories, especially the magazine, and you rarely get people who care enough to fix up our coverage. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:15, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::I do want to get around to this. I'm currently doing the Complete AllSpark Almanac annotations, so maybe after I'm done with therm, I'll get to this. 14:28, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== Page count when listing errors ==

Probably a silly question, but I like consistency. How do we count pages in an issue? I'm never sure how to count 'em when adding a mention of a typo or something, and judging by the error subsections in various articles "page six" may mean everything from "page six, the cover of the issue being the first" to "page six without the cover, credits and summary/cast". - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 18:56, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

:Good question. i don't remember if TF comics ever have page numbers printed on them, but some comics do; official page numbers take precedence. In the absence of page numbers printed on the page, i prefer that the cover does not count as a page (call it "the front cover" if you have to refer to something there), and the back of the front cover does not count as a page ("inside front cover" or "page 0") even if it and page 1 form a [[wikipedia:Glossary_of_comics_terminology#Splash|splash page]] together. Page 1 is page 1 even if it's an ad, or a [[wikipedia:Edition notice|copyright page]], or a table of contents, or blank. The back of page 1 is page 2, which faces page 3 (sometimes a the left edge of a panel will be on page 2 and the right edge of the panel will be on page 3; if necessary, you may specify something like, "Optimus Prime's name is misspelled 'Mr. Potato Head' in the first panel of page 3, which is also part of the second panel of page 2"). The back of page 3 is page 4 and faces page 5, etc until the even-numbered last page of the book, which faces the "inside back cover" (no page number), whose flip side is "the back cover" (no page number).

:All page numbers may change when reprints (such as trade paperbacks) remove/insert ads, reprinted covers and cover variants, letters pages, concept art, etc. So make sure you specify what edition you're referencing when you give a page number.

:My [[Shanix|two cents]].

:--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:50, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::The wiki generally starts counting from the first page of story, as far as I'm aware. So, for instance, if the first two sides after the inside-cover are a 'Previously' and a cast list, those wouldn't be counted. And with IDW issues, there's no ads during the story, so there's not any potential for ambiguity there. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:02, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the input! My preferred solution is the one mentioned by Jalaguy, but I wasn't sure whether it was the right one. - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 11:56, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== disambiguation questions ==

If something appears on a disambiguation page, is there any reason the actual article should ''not'' have a disambig hatnote? Example: [[Breakdown_(disambiguation)#Media_with_.22Breakdown.22_in_the_title|Breakdown (disambiguation)]] links to [[Transformers: Breakdown|''Transformers: Breakdown'']], but not vice versa.

[[Generations (disambiguation)]] does not mention [[Generation 1 (disambiguation)|Generation 1]], [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']], [[Special:PrefixIndex/Regeneration|Regeneration]] [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|''One'']], or [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']]; should it? and/or should we create [[Generation (disambiguation)]] for those? [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']] and [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']] do not have disambig links to each other, either.

Not necessary, but would it be funny for [[Falcon (disambiguation)]] to link to [[Popular_Earth_vehicle_alternate_modes#F-16_Fighting_Falcon|F-16 Fighting Falcon]] and ''[[Millennium Falcon]]''?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:26, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

== Aligned cartoon continuity ==

None of the Aligned character pages arrange the fiction sections into any continuity dichotomy. While we may treat Aligned as roughly 1 storyline, shouldn't stories clearly tied into the cartoons be arranged together à la the Beast Wars character pages? e.g. novels, the ''Covenant'', then sectioned together: ''Prime'' cartoon, ''Rescue Bots'' cartoon, 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon, Japanese cartoon continuity, and then ancillary media by order of release date. At least things like the Pop-Up book don't belong with the rest. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:31, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
:Oh, most certainly. Chronological order only works for so long. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 01:42, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

== 'Other continuities' galleries ==

Reactions were generally positive last time I brought the concept up on the Allspark, so I've rolled out 'other versions' galleries to five versions of Slag:

*[[Slag (G1)]]
*[[Snarl (Animated)]]
*[[Slug (FOC)]]
*[[Slug (AOE)]]
*[[Slug (Adventure)]]

The idea is that these fill a gap disambig pages sometimes can't, when characters change names between continuities, and allow users to easily find alternate versions of a character they're interested in. My intention is that the galleries would only cover the "main" continuity families, so no SG, Kre-O, etc. Thoughts on the implementation? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

:I am in favour of this, although I can see it causing arguments about who is a version of who. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:24, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:I'm not sure. I'd rather put this information on the disambiguation pages, either include it in the main gallery section or give it its own section under that. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 16:55, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::Disambiguation pages go by name (and spelling), though. Surely there must be some use to helping a reader know that "[[Slog (AOE)]]" is the movieverse version of "[[Sludge (G1)]]" when nothing on G1 Sludge's page says so. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::You could do that by adding AOE Slog to the Sludge disambiguation page, probably in a new "Related Characters" section (and still have the image for him). [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:42, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
Given comments that this could be obtrusive, and the unfortunate fact that some "alternative versions" of characters don't actually have visuals, I've added "See also" sections to [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#See also|various]] [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|Wreck-Gar]] [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)#See also|pages]] as an alternative. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:23, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

== C.O.P.S. ==

With Revolution tying all the Hasbro properties that were only previous implied to coexist in the same universe (atleast in the case of the Sunbow cartoon-verse), I began to notice something. Vector Prime seemingly confirms that the cartoon COPS takes place in the "G1 cartoon universe", but IDW doesn't seem to have any sort of revival planned, as far as I'm aware and now I must ask, is COPS a property even owned by Hasbro (and is just forgotten) or is it owned by another company, and the connections made by Ask Vector Prime and Larry Hama were just easter-eggs? [[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 04:06, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:It was based on a Hasbro toyline, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:10, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::To be precise, the name was "C.O.P.S ’n’ Crooks". The more you know. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 04:28, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

== Maintenance downtime ==

Heads up! We'll have some downtime in a couple of hours for maintenance reasons. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:17, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
:The maintenance is done. Please let me know if the site is acting oddly or you otherwise see anything amiss. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
::There's going to be a bit more in half an hour. Hopefully brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:31, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
:::And all done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:20, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
::::Another round in about half an hour. Sorry! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::Once more, maintenance completed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:14, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::And one more lot in about half an hour. That should hopefully be it for a while. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:57, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::All maintenance now complete. Please go about your business. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:44, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

== Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections ==

Do readers of this wiki find the long statistics on EW/FtF character pages useful? (e.g. [[Windblade (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars]]) I can see some practicality to them, but they look rather out of place compared to every other game segment on this wiki's character pages, which are traditionally devoted to narrative-style recaps. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:07, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:I don't care for them, personally. They're like the tech spec numbers we actively decided against trying to incorporate because they are big and unwieldy, and the site isn't really supposed to be a gaming wiki. On the other hand, we've long had game information for, say, Attacktix on the appropriate pages, so it's not without precedent. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 00:09, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

As the user who took the most initiative to write up Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections for each character, my intent is for the in-game info is to list the ''general basic information'' of what they are in-game, and adding an external link to other wikis that covers their more technical information.

If Forged to Fight characters' game info feels too cluttered, they could be replaced with a link to their pages on the [http://transformers-forged-to-fight.wikia.com| Transformers: Forged to Fight Wikia], but it's just started and I'm the only active user there. --[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 02:45, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you for working on those, by the way. I don't play EW but have been enjoying FTF, and since there is a little story there I'm pleased someone has been recording it. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 12:13, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

==Russia's "Portal" series==
This has been out for 8-12 months already and we don't even have a stub for it. I have a bit of a hard time parsing the language on this, but could anyone else take a stab at it please? Or is this just a Russian market rename of something we do already have? http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/02/18/transformers-portal-official-crossover-titans-return-robots-disguise-333592 --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:56, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

== Taiwanese Mandarin names ==

I doubt there are many interested in this subject, but as a public service announcement, I propose that where this wiki lists Mandarin names from the Taiwanese market, we romanize them using hanyu pinyin as opposed to the haphazard semi-Wade-Giles that currently pervades this wiki. I'm of Taiwanese descent myself and acknowledge the distinctions in the Taiwanese accent, but this isn't a linguistics wiki, and pinyin is the most convenient way to go. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:00, 29 September 2017 (EDT)
:Sure. I think it was only TX55 who was for Wade-Giles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:12, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

== Crossover appearances in other merchandise lines ==

I know we have policies for how to handle guest appearances in other fiction, but what's the policy for when a Transformers character appears officially as part of another property in a merchandise capacity? Specifically, I'm not sure what to do about the two [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hascon-2017-magic-the-gathering-exclusive-cards-featuring-transformers-grimlock/39087/ Grimlock cards] released as HasCon exclusives for Magic the Gathering. Would they go on G1 Grimlock's merchandise page? Would it be better to make a MtG article that covers them? <s>Just a blurb on the HasCon 2017 page?</s> ''(I guess that one's already there.)'' Some combination thereof? Or are they not even notable enough for inclusion? Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:29, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
:Just put the cards in merch. Make a MtG page that focuses primarily on the Transformers elements in it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
i just added the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Rubik's Crew|Optimus Prime]] [[Rubik's Cube]] (should we note there's also a [https://www.hasbro.com/en-us/product/rubik-s-crew-my-little-pony-pinkie-pie-edition:166CE6A6-5056-9047-F504-FCB5AE9E2BBB My Little Pony Rubik's Cube?]), and i was thinking about putting the no-longer-available [https://www.hexbug.com/hexbug-nano-transformers.html Hexbug Nano Transformers] on the wiki somewhere. i'm going to add Allspark Pictures to [[Transformers names in other Hasbro lines]], but i wonder if it should also go on [[Allspark (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:34, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

== 4K Goodness ==

When [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)/home_video]] exists it'll likely get some mention of what isn't yet listed [[Transformers:_The_Last_Knight_(film)#Home_video_releases|here]], but the first four films are getting an upgrade too: [http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=14168390#post14168390], [http://www.homemediamagazine.com/high-def/uhds-breakout-year-40831] In fact, 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray (or however it's gonna be spelled) could stand to be another redirect to [[Home video]], like [[Blu-ray]], [[VHS]], and [[DVD]], but sadly not [[LaserDisc]] (yet?).
[[User:Klknoles|Klknoles]] ([[User talk:Klknoles|talk]]) 00:56, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

==Crap ton of Questions ==

Heya. I got some questions.

''TLK'':
*The credits say Mark Ryan voiced the World War 1 Tank/Lieutenant. We know the World War Tank 1 is Bulldog, but who is Lieutenant? It has to be the Spitfire Autobot. He's old, so he is might be a lieutenant? Also, the Spitfire Autobot did talk, but we don't know his voice actor since we don't know his name. The only character who didn't get named and was voiced was the Spitfire Autobot. So the Spitfire Autobot has to be Lieutenant who is voiced by Mark Ryan. And also the Lieutenant can't just be another name for Bulldog because slashes in the credits are different charcters, i.g. Crosshairs/Nitro Zeus.

*Should the Tiny Turbo Changers on the TLK toyline be put in alphabetical order?

*Should we include the TLK-EX stuff (Transformers Tribute in Japan)? Because they use Transformers The Last Knight for their product name, so I was thinking we should add it.

''Other'':
*Legends Doublecross' headmaster is not [[White Leo]]. All Japanese headmasters are just a smaller headmaster stage with a transector, and there is most likely no exception for this case. This is probably just a homage.
*Why is the LG EX Headmaster Pack are the American Headmasters, when Japan uses Transectors? (ex. Hardhead is Duros when it should be Hardhead)
*Can I move [[Elita One]] to Elite One (G1) because [[Elita One (COP)]] shares the spelling?

If you have a reason against me doing this, you should say it because I'll probably go through with these changes (Except Lieutenant). That's all folks! [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
:[[LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter|A chapter]] of the Legends comic said the LG-Ex headmaster set headmasters were the Nebulons. I can't comment on your other questions. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:38, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
::Ah I see. Thanks.[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 12:15, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so White Leo is actually the real White Leo according to the new comic. Good to know. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 21:06, 29 November 2017 (EST)

== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=See Also
|image_name=Quint_head.gif
|talkpage=
|categories=
|mouseover=
|image_width=
|justification=left
|border=000000
|bgcolor=f9CCCC
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=Dinobot_mirror.jpg
|talkpage=
|categories=
|mouseover=
|image_width=120px
|justification=left
|border=000000
|bgcolor=EFE
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
|header=All too similar...
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|justification=left
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
|talkpage=
|categories=
|mouseover=
|image_width=150px
|justification=left
|border=000000
|bgcolor=EFE
|width=90%
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}}

I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Alternate versions of Slug have appeared in other [[continuity family|continuity families]], including:
<gallery widths="100px" heights="150px">
File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
</gallery>
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
|talkpage=
|categories=
|mouseover=
|image_width=150px
|justification=left
|border=000000
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}}
:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking, but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?

--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

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==Faction symbol bullets?==
While working on more page revamping, it struck me that it might be a good idea to look into replacing the bullets in the lists with tiny faction symbol markers. On the one hand, it would make things a bit more visually pleasing and sort good bots and bad-bots in the mixed waves.<br>
On the other, I'm not sure how we could pull that off without overloading things. A simple template like <nowiki>"{{bp-a1}}" (bullet point autobot 1)</nowiki>, making sure the graphics are actually tiny and not having the wiki software scale down the images? I mean, there can be HUNDREDS of these on a page. Thoughts from the more technically-minded? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:custombulletpoints.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
:I've created this mockup of what it would look like. The coding would be something like:
:<code><nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki></ul></nowiki></code>
:We'd have to specify the ul tags because mediawiki doesn't have a way to apply css classes to bullet points, as far as I can tell. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:59, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::Okiedoke. Sooo...
{{collist|5|
* a1 (Autobot G1)
* d1 (Autobot G1)
* a2 (Autobot G2)
* d2 (Autobot G2)
* m1 (Maximal BW)
* p1 (Predacon BW)
* mt (Mutant)
* m2 (Maximal BM)
* vh (Vehicon)
* bd (Dinobot BM)
* uc (Unicron)
* ac (Anti-Cybertron)
* mc (Mini-Con)
* p2 (Predacon Prime)
* sa (SG Autobot)
* sd (SG Decepticon)}}
::These seem like the most important ones. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:01, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:::I've added in the G1/2 and BW ones so we can try them out. The icons are just the ones from the insignia page resized, so if anyone wants to have a try at making them more legible, feel free. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:15, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::::For some reason it's putting "</li>" at the end. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:26, 11 December 2016 (EST)

It should work when they're used. E.G.:
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a2|[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-d2|[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-mt|[[Soundwave (BW)|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-m2|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-vh|[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-bd|[[Magmatron]]}}
</ul>
--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:28, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:Okay, I'd left off the <nowiki>"<ul>"s</nowiki>. Noice. I THINK we might need some half-and-halfs for multipacks. But that shouldn't be too many, I think... G1, G2, BW, SG... Oh and I guess Auto/Prime-Pred and Decep/Prime-Pred. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:39, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::I had a try at doing some split icons for the multipacks, but haven't had any luck. I did adjust the style to move the icons down a smidge so they line up better with the text, though it requires adding in a class to the ul tag thus: <nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki> --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:03, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Can you give it just a tiny nudge to the right? So they end up slightly indented under the column headers, which makes them easier to read. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:50, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Tweaked. I think I've got it approximately the same indent as the non-icon lists now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:14, 12 December 2016 (EST)

REALLY not liking this. Looks far too cluttered to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Request for vehicon template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 16:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Added the Beast Machines ones. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Request for mini-cons template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 17:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Added! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:45, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::::Request for Shattered Glass templates [[User:IronyMann|IronyMann]] ([[User talk:IronyMann|talk]]) 03:48, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Request for Combatron template for Japanese releases. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:41, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::: Request for Unicron faction symbol. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2016 (EST)
::::::: I have added these. Unified documentation is [[Template:Bp-a1/doc|here]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Off the top of my head while going through the Beast Wars page, we'll need hybrid Maximal/Predacon insignias and then... what do we do for oddball one-off things like the Starscream/Waspinator 2-pack? [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:32, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Is Waspinator actually labeled as a Pred in that set, or a Decep? Honestly in either case I'd be okay with just using the Decepticon symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:36, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Will entries on the [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline page]] need two bullets each for faction and associated planet? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:00, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Sorry, when I called it the "Unicron" symbol, I meant the Blentron Unicron-head symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:07, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:Ahhh, got it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:51, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Uploading some half-an-half icons. I'm not making the templates because I'm bluntly not feeling up to it. Just getting the visuals out of the way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:44, 13 December 2016 (EST)

== Kre-O pages with toys ==

The merging of ''Kre-O'' characters who are unambiguously based on 1 existing archetype with said archetype fell to the wayside some time ago. Anyone want to join me in restarting it? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:54, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:I didn't merge them back then because Sipher nixed the idea. If there's no opposition now, I'll help with merging them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:29, 27 December 2016 (EST)
::Wasn't around when Sipher nixed it, but I'll help too as many have been merged already. [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 07:08, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:::If we go through with this, we should probably begin by compiling a list to avoid any confusion over who does and does not qualify. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 02:43, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::::Already made a list [[User:Saix#preelm_Kre-O_merge_list|here]]. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:16, 28 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not sure the combiners should be merged. All of them have a distinct lineup, and the Terrorcons are a mix of G1 and ''Prime'' influences. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:58, 28 December 2016 (EST)
:"Distinct lineup" is pretty weak now we have Combiner Wars combiners with varying members and the G1 Terrorcons have used their Prime designs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::For that reason wont it be hard to tell which Transformer the Kreo is meant to represent when the same toy design has been used for multiple families? [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 21:13, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
I'm not sure if the ''Universe'' Soundwave Kreon should go on ''Machine Wars'' Soundwave's page, but what about putting the ''Music Label'' Soundwave Kreon on ''Shattered Glass'' Soundwave's page since the latter is precedent for independent white Soundwaves? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:34, 3 January 2017 (EST)

== Final Facebook fiction ==

Notice to all: Fun Publications is doing one final round of Facebook story posts. Let's wait at least a little while for this storyline to finish up before we add anything to the wiki. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:47, 31 December 2016 (EST)

== Derailment & Uprising pages ==

A number of small debates are popping up here and there about character pages for BWU. I thought we could agree here on some general rules for how to handle these pages, so the same conversation doesn't keep happening on several talk pages. There will be technicalities in certain cases, as always, but in general...
:* Characters drawn from non-Primax continuity families will get a new page, with a (BW) disambig. Aurex Mini-Cons like [[Synapse (BW)]], Uniend Predacons like [[Budora (BW)]], etc.
:* Exceptions will be for the Primax straddling Viron and Kre-O borrowed characters like [[Movor]] or [[Freefall (Kre-O)]]. Battle Beasts turned Cybertronians for Uprising will also be on the same page.
:* Some characters deliberately straddle two existing characters, like Deluge, Wideload, Stockade, Eagle Killer, etc. Individual consideration is necessary.
::* If the "composite" character draws more heavily on one existing character than the other (like Wideload who's clearly the Throttlebot but only borrowing the body-type and faction of the Classics Mini-Con), text should go on the more prominent page.
::* If the "composite" character is equally weighted, or little more than a cameo and a description, like Eagle Killer, it may be better to create a third Eagle Killer (BW) page acknowledging it as distinct from the two previous characters.
Anyone disagree with these guidelines, or have others they wish to add? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:39, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:What about a character/toy already spanning multiple non-G1 continuity families? Back when [[Rav (DOTM)]] appeared (not in beast mode) in "[[Identity Politics]]", I created [[Rav (BW)]]. But [[Catilla (DOTM)]] appears in "Derailment" (under "Katilla"). [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::Which is one reason for this thread, so we can at least get some consistent treatment. Those (DOTM) Mini-Cons seem like an odd situation. Am I right in assuming they weren't split when AVP used them in an Aurex cluster because there just wasn't enough material to bother having two pages? If we want to say ''"These (DOTM) guys have extremely small roles in multiple continuity families, so hug it, we're just going to have one page for each"'', I'm not...opposed to that. Depends on if someone has strong feelings about preserving the rule of splitting characters by Continuity Family. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:08, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::My bad on the Katilla front. I saw the ''Uprising'' header on his page and thought that meant it was were his fiction was meant to go. (Sorry.) [[User:Smasher|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher|talk]]) 22:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
The Book of Logos and the Lio Convoy historical paper are pretty extensive. Shall we create story articles for them as we did for "[[A Brush With Infamy–Prologue|A Brush With Infamy]]"? Perhaps as well with the Predacon Manifesto? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:28, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:I agree. Separate characters, separate events. Too extensive to try and lay out in the Notes section alone. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 22:42, 1 January 2017 (EST)
Can anyone identify these characters? On page 33 of "Derailment" there is a "teal and grey Predacon" with a wrist-mounted autocannon. On page 55 there's a male "grey/purple" Micromaster. And more likely to be generics: on page 33 is an "enterprising Maximal ro-simian" and on page 118 is a "red and green" male Maximal who is converted into a Vehicon. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:30, 1 January 2017 (EST)

Where Devastator and his components are concerned, does the use of ''Universe'' 2003 toys really count as [[repurposing]] when the toy never had contemporary fiction? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:40, 9 January 2017 (EST)

== Classics survivors on Axiom Nexus ==

How do we cite that final back page from OTFCC issue #72 in the Fiction sections? Where the Classics characters survived into Axiom Nexus? Just {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 72}}?
:"Epilogue" was the only thing we called it. (Thanks, Jesse) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:24, 2 January 2017 (EST)
::I just took it as part of the OMAM comic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:57, 2 January 2017 (EST)

== GoBots sister wiki: An Ultimatum ==

Inspired by some person whining about GoBots on TFWiki this morning on Tumblr, I am going to reiterate my standing offer as publicly as possible:

'''If you are a person who would contribute to a GoBots sister wiki, stand up and be counted. If there's interest, I will create said wiki on ShoutWiki, and set it up with the basic set of templates needed for people to jump in and start making articles for characters, episodes, etc. You'll be able to go about everything exactly as if you were doing it on TFWiki.'''

Thanks to my having already done the legwork for the IDW Hasbro Wiki, this will be very simple - just starting the wiki and then importing an XML of all the relevant templates and CSS. I have no particular interest in contributing to a GoBots wiki, but I'm 100% ready and willing to get it running for those who would.

'''DISCLAIMER: If you've read this and don't come forward with your interest, you void any right to bring up the topic of GoBots coverage on TFWiki ever again, lest you be hurled into the hugging sun.'''

--[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:Hell yeah. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::I'd like this to exist, but I admittedly won't be of much use other than organizational stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::Count me in! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::Obviously. Though with the caveat that I won't be touching my own stuff, which is a lot of the modern-era bits. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:56, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::: I'll do my best to help out. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:17, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::::This is a great idea and I will help. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:06, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::I'm in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:59, 5 January 2017 (EST)
Okay, this is going to go ahead. Hoping to set it up at the weekend. Planning discussion is currently happening the [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135861-the-god-damn-gobots-wiki/ Allspark thread]. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:20, 5 January 2017 (EST)
:Fun fact: it's been more active this week than the old TF wikia site.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:40, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::That's what we call "winning." :D -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:15, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::Okay, I actually have a serious comment, too: would it be appropriate to maintain a permanent link to the GB Wiki on our main page? Or just use an external link template on all GoBots pages? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:18, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::::The external links are already being added, but I do agree that this (and the IDW Hasbro wiiki) deserve a big call out, at least for a while.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:21, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::::Could we add them to the main page's fake disambiguation box as well? That would be fun. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 18:10, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Serious question: is there a "Community Portal" type page for the GB wiki?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:02, 10 January 2017 (EST)

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=="diff | hist" problem==
Something happened to the feature that shows you what changed on a page in the history... the backing boxes are gone and the altered text is no longer in red. Which kinda compromises the usefulness of the feature. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:44, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Still working for me--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Works for me, too. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:20, 13 January 2017 (EST)

== Scope of TfWiki ==

I'm just curious about the scope of our wiki. I know that if things are official and Transformers related, they are covered here. So things like Gobots and GI Joe are only covered when they involve Transformers. But what about the human and alien characters from Transformers? If say Spike Witwicky were to appear in a random issue of GI Joe or in any Hasbro property where there isn't a single Transformer or perhaps he even gets his own spinoff show, as boring as that would be, (and let's just forget about revolution for a moment because I feel like that complicates things a bit), would it be covered here? How would this wiki cover things like that? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 01:50, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:It's hard to forget about Revolution when that's the only example we can point to. The general, simplified scope of the Wiki has always been "When Hasbro/Takara uses/authorizes use of ''Transformers'' (the property), we cover it." But that came the implicit understanding that Has/Tak was only using Transformers stuff IN Transformers franchises. The blended Hasbro universe was unfathomable at the time. Now, we're being forced to fathom it. Thus far, the only example is Revolution, which has prompted users of the Wiki to formulate an entire separate [[http://idwhasbro.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page|IDW Hasbro Wiki]] to cover the expanded universe Transformers has stumbled backwards into at Hasbro's request. Further examples of TF or no-TF characters from TF franchises used in non-TF outlets by Hasbro would have to be considered as they happened, because the Wiki really has no plan for that at this time. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:58, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:: I see. Are the IDW versions of the Transformers going to be covered at the Hasbro ID Wiki? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 21:24, 22 January 2017 (EST)

==Foreign Name Policy==
Apparently there has been a discussion on AllSpark about Rāge/Rage and where to put her. So my question is, are we revisiting the wiki's stance on English name primacy? Because this is a very clear-cut case of a foreign character receiving an English language name. If so, are guys like Stepper/Ricochet and Gelshark/Sky-Byte, who were both brought up in that discussion, back on the table? I'm having trouble following the logic here. Like, to the point where I'm having a hard time understanding why it's even up for a vote. Are all policies subject to vote now upon specific implementation? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:44, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Because even if you were correct about implementing the policy, you did it wrong. Under the English name first policy, "Rāge" would be moved to "Rage (BWN)", since that's her franchise of origin, not "Rage (BW)". You would have known that if you consulted with other contributors first. Instead, regardless of the results of the vote, now we have to go back and undo the multiple pages you altered to the erroneous link of "Rage (BW)". For Primus's sake, Giggidy...you don't understand the wiki's policies on when to move pages. You KNOW you don't understand the wiki's policies. You've been screamed at by the owner and administrators of the wiki for moving pages. And yet you refuse to learn the very simple behavior of ''asking first and waiting for a response.'' What part of this is still unclear? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)
::I'll admit I was confused on the BW / BWN disambiguation, but that's an easy fix that can be accomplished in less than 10 minutes once Rage (BWN) gets deleted. But the Rāge thing is baffling. I know that our policy is English language names taking primacy. Add in that it's very difficult to type out macrons for most people and that there's a whole lot more fiction for her in English and in Japan, and that it's more accessible, and that it's shown up in both AVP and BWU, and I find the idea of it coming up for a vote incomprehensible. Which is why I'm asking, are we changing our policy on English language names taking priority. And, as for asking first, that's exactly what I did! I suggested a move, waited a MONTH, reiterated the suggestion, waited a week, and then attempted to execute. I thought no one else gave a damn. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:31, 22 January 2017 (EST)
Related: do we want to move [[Lione]] to [[Sawback (Headmasters)]]? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Obviously yes. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:48, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Related: why is the Headmasters disambiguation at "Headmasters" and not "HM". Did that ever come up for discussion or did we fall backwards into it? Since it's only used 4 times, it'd be an easy fix. Does anyone have strong feelings one way or the other? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:26, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:"Headmasters" is one word, so using the whole word is consistent with how we treat other one-word franchises (Armada, Victory, etc). Super-God Masterforce is a better example of how we've bypassed policy and gone with the clearer, more frequently used disambig ("Masterforce") over the more obscure but sticking to policy one ("SGM"). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:53, 23 January 2017 (EST)

Well if this subject is actually getting some attention, then are there any arguments for or against moving "Rāge" to "Rage (BWN)"? I point out that while "Rage (BWN)" would technically be following primacy of English names, this "English name" only involves a minor orthographic change, was established years after the fact in another minor continuity, and don't we now and then like to break from the ubiquitous pattern of having to use parentheticals when it's not unreasonable to do so? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:02, 23 January 2017 (EST)
: I would not support moving the page because of Uprising, because Uprising has its own "continuity in a blender" thing going on, with its own unique Naming Conventions to change and alter character titles. I would support moving it because the unique character "ā" makes searching for the Queen counter-intuitive and harder to find for unfamiliar visitors and difficult for editors to assign links. That said, if "Rage (BWN)" is a functional redirect for "Rāge", I don't think it matters at all WHICH of the two is the ''actual'' page title. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::It's not that hard to use the Edit Tools below the summary box to add the macron. "Makes things easier for editors" should not be a directive. As for finding it, everybody will still type "rage" into the search box and be led to the disambiguation page that will have her regardless of article title. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:47, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Uprising or not, the character was also referred to as "Rage" in Ask Vector Prime, which does not particularly have unique Naming Conventions. Arguments in favor of the move: One, that's our policy. Two, she has considerably more fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Three, she has considerably more ''accessible'' fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Freely downloadable PDFs versus ancient low-print-run BWN manga. Four, Rāge is in fact difficult to write and type. I always find myself cutting and pasting. Five, she's never actually been officially referred to as "Rāge" anywhere, ever, in any fiction. If you are really a purist, then wouldn't "ラーゲ" make more sense, especially if as Saix argues making things easier for editors isn't a priority? Six, you need to have a functional knowledge of conventions for transliterating Japanese to English to be able to read and understand how to pronounce Rāge. 99% of our audience or more will look at that and think "Raaay-j", rather than "rah-geh". Arguments against the move: one, it's been at Rāge a long time. Two, it's how the character was first introduced to the fandom, such as it was. Any other?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:34, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::::Your points 2 and 3 are flawed. Rage only properly appeared in 1 BWU story, and while BWU is indeed more accessible, I don't see how niche Internet-only Club fiction has that much more ground on old manga. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:35, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::This "people won't understand how to say it" is kind of an annoying point. We wouldn't be having that sort of argument if it were a non-English word natively rendered in Latin characters. People can't pronounce foreign dub actors' names correctly. We had the Chinese characters at their strict Pinyin names even though most people don't understand how to read it. I'm not sure why "can readers pronounce it correctly" even matters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:21, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::::::"Rage" isn't happening. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:09, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::Is that you voting against it? Or you tallying the vote? I don't really see any kind of consensus one way or the other. And are there greater policy implications? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:03, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::I agree that Uprising's name conventions are too, well, unconventional for it to be able to take precedence over an established-for-years name. However, the macron was never official and arguably never correct in the first place. The Japanese extended A is not the English long A, and the macron implies the latter. Aren't Japanese extended vowels normally represented by just doubling the vowel in romanization? I think "Raage" would be more correct than "Rāge". [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 19:51, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Macrons are used in Hepburn romanization to indicate lengthened vowels because there are native words with two As next to each other that are pronounced separately. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:04, 23 January 2017 (EST)

== The extent of our G.I. Joe coverage ==

So this is a subject that was talked about on the AllSpark but that should be raised here, just because I've spotted Charles's edit to the Cobra article today. So we're doing G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue articles, because Skywarp's in it and they use the Nemesis as their base and have Cybertronian weapons. Okay, fine and dandy, no problem. BUT. Outside of those limited cases, I do '''not''' think we want to be updating the Joes' and Cobras' character articles with every issue's information. Lady Jaye and Gung-Ho's articles do not need to have detailed write-ups of their mission in Greece, for instance. This is an odd situation and we need to have a line regarding how ''much'' of the content of these issues needs covered on the characters' individual articles, when this is what we have the IDW Hasbro Wiki for. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:20, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:Okay, what I'd say:
:*Character articles get a very generic overview line with a link-out to the IDW Hasbro Wiki. Like, "Lady Jaye was a member of G.I. Joe who worked for the team after Skywarp joined." No real information that doesn't directly pertain to Skywarp being involved.
:*The G.I. Joe and Cobra articles get sllllightly more detailed summaries that still link out to IDWHW for full coverage. These, again, would mostly center on Transformers involvement (the Nemesis, the laser guns, Skywarp).
:*Anything/anyone that actually appears in a Transformers title gets a full writeup of those exploits, but will still link out to IDWHW for anything that isn't in a TF comic.
:Y/N?--[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:34, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, I figure we should basically do what we do when an article links out to a "Examplor (G1)/Example G1 continuity" type sub-page - one or two summary paragraphs with the Main (or MainIDW in this case) template at the top. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:19, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::That all sounds very reasonable. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 27 January 2017 (EST)

== Maintenance ==

I'm going to do some maintenance on the server shortly. It may make the site slow temporarily, but we'll see... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:08, 18 February 2017 (EST)
:All finished! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:00, 18 February 2017 (EST)

== Use of "parsed" ==

"Parsed" is often used on here to describe how names or titles are written, but I submit that it's not a good word choice in these cases. "Parse" is like "read", whereas something like "render" would be more like "write" which would be more appropriate to the intent of a line like "Sometimes his name is parsed Cross-Cut". I'm sure the difference doesn't matter to many people, but I personally was legitimately puzzled the first several times I encountered it here and I expect it's happened to others as well. I figured I'd submit this for discussion before actually making any changes in case there was a good argument for continuing to use "parsed" instead of "rendered". [[User:Steelfire|Steelfire]] ([[User talk:Steelfire|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:"Spelled" would be a better option than "parsed" here too. I'm not sure why we're using "parsed" in this way... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 19 February 2017 (EST)
::I think I read in the dictionary some years ago that we were not using "parse" correctly, but I could never be bothered to point this out. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:::Yeah, "parsed" is synonymous with "understood as". For instance, IAMNOWHERE can be parsed as "I am nowhere" or "I am now here". So the word is only appropriate when there's some level of analysis and interpretation involved. Translations, for instance: When [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#His_stupid_name|this note about Deathsaurus's name]] lists all the romanizations people have come up with, I think you could validly say his name has been "parsed" in those ways because they involve trying to extract something sensible to English speakers from the unclear Japanese. But unfortunately we've rarely used the word in situations like that; [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=parsed&fulltext=Search the vast majority of the time] it's been used to describe the presence or absence of hyphens and spaces. If those had an effect on meaning, such as in IAMNOWHERE, that could be appropriate, but I don't see any instances where that's the case. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] ([[User talk:Jackpot|talk]]) 13:56, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== IDWHasbro link icons ==

Links to the IDWHasro Wiki should now have the favicon for that site auto-inserted on the end. I made an exception for [[Template:MainIDW]] because I thought it looked redundant to have icons after each link, but thoughts? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:15, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

== Crew pages ==

I've been going through the orphaned pages and I found there's a lot of "person X was this crew member on Y movie or Z tv show." Would a cast and crew credits page for the individual TV shows and movies be a helpful idea in cleaning this up? Otherwise I'm at a loss as to where to link a random stunt pilot or storyboard artist. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 16:22, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think it's a good idea. We already have limited crew credits on [[Transformers (film)]], so we could have a link to a subpage with the full credits. Though maybe leave the names unlinked until they have actual pages, to avoid flooding the Wanted Pages list with a ton of new entries. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:44, 3 April 2017 (EDT)

== New anti-spam measure ==

Since we had to shut down signups last week due to spam, I've implemented a mediawiki plugin (You can see it listed in [[Special:Version]] as Sentinel) to try to automatically ban spammers - if you see a new user sign up and then get banned by WikiSysop, that means the plugin detected them trying to add spam to the wiki. It will also email a copy of what they were trying to add to me, so in the hopefully unlikely event someone who is not a spammer gets caught by it, I can unblock them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:49, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

== Foreign name format ==

Okay, I'm bringing this here as it affects a large number of pages. I recently changed the [[Eagle Eye (G2)]] page from "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' ("[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]", ホーク ''Hōku'')" to "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' (ホーク ''Hōku''. ''[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]'')" on the grounds that the previous version implied that "Badlands" was the translation of "Hawk". Flicky1991 reverted me on the grounds that the prior version matched the format used on many other pages. To me, this seems like a widespread error that needs to be fixed but I wanted to bring it up here before going on a hunt for all instances of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:35, 3 May 2017 (EDT)

== More maintenance ==

I'm going to do some more maintenance on the server in a couple of hours. There'll be a bit of downtime, but it should be brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:01, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
:All done, please go about your business! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:36, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

==Anti-spam AGAIN==
Okay, somehow spambots are getting through the automated stuff. And if YouTube, Steam and Twitter have proven anything, it's that relying solely on automation for administration doesn't fucking work. I'm pretty convinced there needs to be a HUMAN level of interaction for new account signups.<br>
[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3502427 As noted in the Allspark thread], one possibility is that new users are auto-blocked from editing any pages but their own talkpages. Said talkpage would also be automatically created with a template explaining that they need to put something ON this newly-created talkpage so we know they're human, and an admin will be along to unlock editing privileges once they've seen some evidence of human. And of course they'd be getting alerts to a change to their talkpage automatically, both in the topbar and via email, so it'd be hard to miss.<br>
Sure, they might have to wait a bit for an admin to come along. But there's almost always an admin online at any given point in the day, and I'd prefer this than cleaning up another rampage of fake Userpages full of shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:I am not actually sure how this new crop of spammers got past the anti-spam plugin I added. It should have caught them! I've disabled signups for now until I can take a look at it, but I'll have to look into if what you're suggesting is feasible to do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:16, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== List of female TFs ==

I've been looking at the [[List of female Transformers]] page, which has become pretty ungainly and cluttered, and wondering if there's a better way to handle it; and I've ended up wondering — do we actually need it? Particularly as female Transformers become more common and the lines between continuity families get blurrier, is there any particular role it serves that the Female Transfomers category doesn't? I'm fairly certain that it either isn't necessary or needs a big overhaul. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:31, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:I'll add my vote for "no longer necessary." The [[Female Transformer|Female Transformers]] page will have any relevant information about female Transformers in general, and the [[:Category:Female Transformers|Female Transformers Category]] is available for users who wish to browse a full listing. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
On this subject, I've noticed that a few of the characters that were female in Uprising have an "in most universes this character is male" note on their page, even if Uprising is the entirety of their fiction section... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 10:34, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

== Factions ==

I just noticed we have a category for factions but not an article for the general concept. Could just be an article saying something like "Most Transformers fiction revolves around wars between two or more factions", and then a description of the major factions in play in each continuity. Thoughts? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 13:02, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sure, sounds good to me.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 16:36, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== disambig pages ==

i'm editing a few disambig pages ([[Shockwave (disambiguation)]] at the moment), and i have some questions.

Is there a guideline for how to organize ''Not to be confused with'' sections? Alphabetically or chronologically, perhaps?

If something goes in the ''Not to be confused with'' section for a reason other than ''"their names are similar"'', should the disambig page explain ''why'' so-and-so is on such-and-such (disambiguation)? (Example: Shockwave disambiguates [[Nitro Zeus| Nitro]] and [[Whirl (G1)| Whirl]].)

How similar do names have to be to go on a disambig page (in the main section or ''Not to be confused with'')? (Example: i'm thinking of adding [[Shockdrive]] to Shockwave's disambig.)

At what point should ''Not to be confused with'' be replaced with (or augmented by) ''see other articles starting with [whatever]''? (i'm probably about to add [[Special:PrefixIndex/Shock|other articles that start with "Shock"]] to [[Shockwave (disambiguation)]].)

...i'll come back if i remember the other questions i wanted to ask.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 19:05, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think adding a lot of less relevant names to disambiguation pages makes it harder for people to find stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:38, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::Speaking of disambig pages, I've noticed a few characters have had their toy sections split off from their main pages without the toy pages being added to the disambig pages as we'd usually do... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 05:41, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== New page: Flight Stands ==

Hi, I created a new page for the [[flight stand]] and flight stand port gimmick. Would appreciate some help fleshing it out. --[[User:Exastiken|Exastiken]]([[User talk:Exastiken|talk]]) 1:50, 6 June 2017 (PST)

== Fun Publications Prose Stories and Comics ==

I've started re-reading the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] prose stories and was surprised at how under-developed the pages on this wiki are for [[Dungeons & Dinobots]] and [[Do Over]]. A glance around some of the other pages has rather cemented the idea that, especially for continuities that crop up everywhere on this wiki, the pages are kinda confusing. Now that FunPub's shut its doors this seems like an ideal moment to get the house in order. Most of this stuff should technically go on the individual talk pages but that seems rather scattershot. Here are my observations:

*Apparently several prose stories received prologues in the pages of the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Club Magazine]]. This was mentioned once in 2009 on D&D's talk page and once again in 2009 on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] talk page, and never got addressed. There's mention of 'Story Previews' on the page for the magazine with no explanation of what those previews contained or where they were reprinted. What follows are some specific examples:
**[[The Dark Heart of Sandokan]] (which is also in need of a checkup by someone who's actually read the story - it's got a stub at the bottom) had a prologue in Mag #13
**[[The Razor's Edge]] got one in #14, which was apparently included without ceremony in the synopsis text. Again, the notes are a stub. (I tried to read this story once and couldn't get past the first two pages, so I can't really blame it for being overlooked.)
**[[Gone Too Far]], [[Withered Hope]] and [[I, Lowtech]] each got a 1-page comic in #19-21, which (to my memory) were included in the PDFs for the actual text.
**[[Dungeons & Dinobots]] got a 1-page prologue in #22 featuring [[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] (which is actually a lot of fun) which receives... no mention. Anywhere. Looking at the page for #22, I would never have realised that it was anything special.
**[[At Fight's End]] apparently had a 3-page comic in #30 which was included in full in the PDF. Other than a small note halfway down the 'Notes' section basically acknowledging its existence, there's no hint of this on the page or which parts of the synopsis relate to the prologue.

*I kinda get why the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] page is structured the way it is, but as somebody who came to Timelines with no prior experience, I found it extremely confusing.
**At the top there's listed all the 'Timelines' issues. That's fine, because it makes it clear that those were the full-size print comics published - most everything else on the page is digital.
**Right now, everything is split into two sections. BotCon stories and Club stories.
***BotCon stories are split by year, with notes on which medium and continuity each story was.
***Club stories are split by medium first, then year, with notes on which continuity each of those were part of.
**This is all great if you want to know how these things were distributed. Combine this page with that of the Magazine and you have a complete list of every piece of fiction FunPub ever put out. But all of that, other than where to originally obtain each thing, is basically irrelevant to somebody looking to read the stuff.
**The alternative is to look at the individual continuity pages. Those pages are haphazard and really need redesigning from the ground up, something I'd be happy to 'sandbox' if I knew how. The [[Transformers: Wings Universe]] page is nice but includes no information on the mediums of any of the stories. [[Transformers: TransTech]] and [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] are the worst - the former is basically a random list of stories and the latter is a sprawling mess with unlinked story names mixed up within paragraphs of over-detailed plot summaries. It's not helpful to somebody who's heard about these franchises in passing and is wondering what's going on.

*'Virtual Redecoes' have, starting with [[Beast Wars: Uprising|BW:U]], been included on the pages of the stories where they appear. [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)| Shattered Glass]] repurposings are listed on the relevant character pages and on the toyline page, but virtual redecoes (insofar as there are any) get no mention except on character pages. I think these should be handled more in line with BWU, where they get mentioned on the source story pages.

*The [[Dinobot (SG)]] page has listed 'Grimlock, Swoop, and seven others' and 'Goryu, Overkill, Slugfest, and five others'. I'd bet that the 'seven others' are SG versions of [[Slag (G1)]] (who is offhandedly mentioned in D&D), [[Sludge (G1)]], [[Snarl (G1)]], [[Dile]], [[Saur]], [[Graphy]] and [[Noise]], and that the 'five others' are the five remaining members of [[Dinoforce]]. Thoughts on that, and if there should be a note added on that page (and [[Dungeons & Dinobots]])? It's nowhere in the text, but can be extrapolated from how specific the numbers are and what the known Dinobots are.

*Seeing as we've got source pages for several of the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] Cybertronix texts, it'd be nice to include links to translated versions of all of them. Not necessarily source pages, but just a way of actually getting to the stuff - it's all very well saying 'the Cybertronix text shows the thoughts of Fortress Maximus' but it'd be nice to have a way at getting to the original.

*Can somebody please, please, please hunt down a recording of [[The Hot Rod]] and write it up? I know everyone hated that con's comic, but it's killing me seeing that page so empty. Somebody must have recorded it. If no-one knows where to find it, maybe it should go in the 'grails' box on the main page? Let's not just go off second-hand accounts.

That's basically everything I've noticed for now. In summary, it seems to me that these pages were created as and when they were needed and the club's erratic nature meant that things got more and more disorganised with time. I'm a long-time lurker who spent ages trawling the wiki to work out exactly how all of this fiction fit together, and many people would have given up in that time. I'm new to editing but have read most of the Timelines fiction and want to help out, so go easy on me yeah? Now that FunPub's done we can probably spruce up these pages and call it a day, right? - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:All really good observations. The problem is that nobody really has the will to go back and edit all of the Club/BotCon stories to meet a standard. The earlier pages were made before the wiki really started to have more dedicated synopses and notes and nobody really went back to beef them up because they simply aren't that great or important. Compound that with the exclusive nature of the stories, especially the magazine, and you rarely get people who care enough to fix up our coverage. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:15, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::I do want to get around to this. I'm currently doing the Complete AllSpark Almanac annotations, so maybe after I'm done with therm, I'll get to this. 14:28, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== Page count when listing errors ==

Probably a silly question, but I like consistency. How do we count pages in an issue? I'm never sure how to count 'em when adding a mention of a typo or something, and judging by the error subsections in various articles "page six" may mean everything from "page six, the cover of the issue being the first" to "page six without the cover, credits and summary/cast". - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 18:56, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

:Good question. i don't remember if TF comics ever have page numbers printed on them, but some comics do; official page numbers take precedence. In the absence of page numbers printed on the page, i prefer that the cover does not count as a page (call it "the front cover" if you have to refer to something there), and the back of the front cover does not count as a page ("inside front cover" or "page 0") even if it and page 1 form a [[wikipedia:Glossary_of_comics_terminology#Splash|splash page]] together. Page 1 is page 1 even if it's an ad, or a [[wikipedia:Edition notice|copyright page]], or a table of contents, or blank. The back of page 1 is page 2, which faces page 3 (sometimes a the left edge of a panel will be on page 2 and the right edge of the panel will be on page 3; if necessary, you may specify something like, "Optimus Prime's name is misspelled 'Mr. Potato Head' in the first panel of page 3, which is also part of the second panel of page 2"). The back of page 3 is page 4 and faces page 5, etc until the even-numbered last page of the book, which faces the "inside back cover" (no page number), whose flip side is "the back cover" (no page number).

:All page numbers may change when reprints (such as trade paperbacks) remove/insert ads, reprinted covers and cover variants, letters pages, concept art, etc. So make sure you specify what edition you're referencing when you give a page number.

:My [[Shanix|two cents]].

:--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:50, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::The wiki generally starts counting from the first page of story, as far as I'm aware. So, for instance, if the first two sides after the inside-cover are a 'Previously' and a cast list, those wouldn't be counted. And with IDW issues, there's no ads during the story, so there's not any potential for ambiguity there. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:02, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the input! My preferred solution is the one mentioned by Jalaguy, but I wasn't sure whether it was the right one. - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 11:56, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== disambiguation questions ==

If something appears on a disambiguation page, is there any reason the actual article should ''not'' have a disambig hatnote? Example: [[Breakdown_(disambiguation)#Media_with_.22Breakdown.22_in_the_title|Breakdown (disambiguation)]] links to [[Transformers: Breakdown|''Transformers: Breakdown'']], but not vice versa.

[[Generations (disambiguation)]] does not mention [[Generation 1 (disambiguation)|Generation 1]], [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']], [[Special:PrefixIndex/Regeneration|Regeneration]] [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|''One'']], or [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']]; should it? and/or should we create [[Generation (disambiguation)]] for those? [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']] and [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']] do not have disambig links to each other, either.

Not necessary, but would it be funny for [[Falcon (disambiguation)]] to link to [[Popular_Earth_vehicle_alternate_modes#F-16_Fighting_Falcon|F-16 Fighting Falcon]] and ''[[Millennium Falcon]]''?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:26, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

== Aligned cartoon continuity ==

None of the Aligned character pages arrange the fiction sections into any continuity dichotomy. While we may treat Aligned as roughly 1 storyline, shouldn't stories clearly tied into the cartoons be arranged together à la the Beast Wars character pages? e.g. novels, the ''Covenant'', then sectioned together: ''Prime'' cartoon, ''Rescue Bots'' cartoon, 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon, Japanese cartoon continuity, and then ancillary media by order of release date. At least things like the Pop-Up book don't belong with the rest. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:31, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
:Oh, most certainly. Chronological order only works for so long. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 01:42, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

== 'Other continuities' galleries ==

Reactions were generally positive last time I brought the concept up on the Allspark, so I've rolled out 'other versions' galleries to five versions of Slag:

*[[Slag (G1)]]
*[[Snarl (Animated)]]
*[[Slug (FOC)]]
*[[Slug (AOE)]]
*[[Slug (Adventure)]]

The idea is that these fill a gap disambig pages sometimes can't, when characters change names between continuities, and allow users to easily find alternate versions of a character they're interested in. My intention is that the galleries would only cover the "main" continuity families, so no SG, Kre-O, etc. Thoughts on the implementation? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

:I am in favour of this, although I can see it causing arguments about who is a version of who. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:24, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:I'm not sure. I'd rather put this information on the disambiguation pages, either include it in the main gallery section or give it its own section under that. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 16:55, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::Disambiguation pages go by name (and spelling), though. Surely there must be some use to helping a reader know that "[[Slog (AOE)]]" is the movieverse version of "[[Sludge (G1)]]" when nothing on G1 Sludge's page says so. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::You could do that by adding AOE Slog to the Sludge disambiguation page, probably in a new "Related Characters" section (and still have the image for him). [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:42, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
Given comments that this could be obtrusive, and the unfortunate fact that some "alternative versions" of characters don't actually have visuals, I've added "See also" sections to [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#See also|various]] [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|Wreck-Gar]] [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)#See also|pages]] as an alternative. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:23, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

== C.O.P.S. ==

With Revolution tying all the Hasbro properties that were only previous implied to coexist in the same universe (atleast in the case of the Sunbow cartoon-verse), I began to notice something. Vector Prime seemingly confirms that the cartoon COPS takes place in the "G1 cartoon universe", but IDW doesn't seem to have any sort of revival planned, as far as I'm aware and now I must ask, is COPS a property even owned by Hasbro (and is just forgotten) or is it owned by another company, and the connections made by Ask Vector Prime and Larry Hama were just easter-eggs? [[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 04:06, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:It was based on a Hasbro toyline, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:10, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::To be precise, the name was "C.O.P.S ’n’ Crooks". The more you know. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 04:28, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

== Maintenance downtime ==

Heads up! We'll have some downtime in a couple of hours for maintenance reasons. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:17, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
:The maintenance is done. Please let me know if the site is acting oddly or you otherwise see anything amiss. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
::There's going to be a bit more in half an hour. Hopefully brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:31, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
:::And all done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:20, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
::::Another round in about half an hour. Sorry! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::Once more, maintenance completed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:14, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::And one more lot in about half an hour. That should hopefully be it for a while. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:57, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::All maintenance now complete. Please go about your business. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:44, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

== Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections ==

Do readers of this wiki find the long statistics on EW/FtF character pages useful? (e.g. [[Windblade (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars]]) I can see some practicality to them, but they look rather out of place compared to every other game segment on this wiki's character pages, which are traditionally devoted to narrative-style recaps. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:07, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:I don't care for them, personally. They're like the tech spec numbers we actively decided against trying to incorporate because they are big and unwieldy, and the site isn't really supposed to be a gaming wiki. On the other hand, we've long had game information for, say, Attacktix on the appropriate pages, so it's not without precedent. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 00:09, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

As the user who took the most initiative to write up Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections for each character, my intent is for the in-game info is to list the ''general basic information'' of what they are in-game, and adding an external link to other wikis that covers their more technical information.

If Forged to Fight characters' game info feels too cluttered, they could be replaced with a link to their pages on the [http://transformers-forged-to-fight.wikia.com| Transformers: Forged to Fight Wikia], but it's just started and I'm the only active user there. --[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 02:45, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you for working on those, by the way. I don't play EW but have been enjoying FTF, and since there is a little story there I'm pleased someone has been recording it. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 12:13, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

==Russia's "Portal" series==
This has been out for 8-12 months already and we don't even have a stub for it. I have a bit of a hard time parsing the language on this, but could anyone else take a stab at it please? Or is this just a Russian market rename of something we do already have? http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/02/18/transformers-portal-official-crossover-titans-return-robots-disguise-333592 --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:56, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

== Taiwanese Mandarin names ==

I doubt there are many interested in this subject, but as a public service announcement, I propose that where this wiki lists Mandarin names from the Taiwanese market, we romanize them using hanyu pinyin as opposed to the haphazard semi-Wade-Giles that currently pervades this wiki. I'm of Taiwanese descent myself and acknowledge the distinctions in the Taiwanese accent, but this isn't a linguistics wiki, and pinyin is the most convenient way to go. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:00, 29 September 2017 (EDT)
:Sure. I think it was only TX55 who was for Wade-Giles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:12, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

== Crossover appearances in other merchandise lines ==

I know we have policies for how to handle guest appearances in other fiction, but what's the policy for when a Transformers character appears officially as part of another property in a merchandise capacity? Specifically, I'm not sure what to do about the two [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hascon-2017-magic-the-gathering-exclusive-cards-featuring-transformers-grimlock/39087/ Grimlock cards] released as HasCon exclusives for Magic the Gathering. Would they go on G1 Grimlock's merchandise page? Would it be better to make a MtG article that covers them? <s>Just a blurb on the HasCon 2017 page?</s> ''(I guess that one's already there.)'' Some combination thereof? Or are they not even notable enough for inclusion? Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:29, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
:Just put the cards in merch. Make a MtG page that focuses primarily on the Transformers elements in it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
i just added the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Rubik's Crew|Optimus Prime]] [[Rubik's Cube]] (should we note there's also a [https://www.hasbro.com/en-us/product/rubik-s-crew-my-little-pony-pinkie-pie-edition:166CE6A6-5056-9047-F504-FCB5AE9E2BBB My Little Pony Rubik's Cube?]), and i was thinking about putting the no-longer-available [https://www.hexbug.com/hexbug-nano-transformers.html Hexbug Nano Transformers] on the wiki somewhere. i'm going to add Allspark Pictures to [[Transformers names in other Hasbro lines]], but i wonder if it should also go on [[Allspark (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:34, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

== 4K Goodness ==

When [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)/home_video]] exists it'll likely get some mention of what isn't yet listed [[Transformers:_The_Last_Knight_(film)#Home_video_releases|here]], but the first four films are getting an upgrade too: [http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=14168390#post14168390], [http://www.homemediamagazine.com/high-def/uhds-breakout-year-40831] In fact, 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray (or however it's gonna be spelled) could stand to be another redirect to [[Home video]], like [[Blu-ray]], [[VHS]], and [[DVD]], but sadly not [[LaserDisc]] (yet?).
[[User:Klknoles|Klknoles]] ([[User talk:Klknoles|talk]]) 00:56, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

==Crap ton of Questions ==

Heya. I got some questions.

''TLK'':
*The credits say Mark Ryan voiced the World War 1 Tank/Lieutenant. We know the World War Tank 1 is Bulldog, but who is Lieutenant? It has to be the Spitfire Autobot. He's old, so he is might be a lieutenant? Also, the Spitfire Autobot did talk, but we don't know his voice actor since we don't know his name. The only character who didn't get named and was voiced was the Spitfire Autobot. So the Spitfire Autobot has to be Lieutenant who is voiced by Mark Ryan. And also the Lieutenant can't just be another name for Bulldog because slashes in the credits are different charcters, i.g. Crosshairs/Nitro Zeus.

*Should the Tiny Turbo Changers on the TLK toyline be put in alphabetical order?

*Should we include the TLK-EX stuff (Transformers Tribute in Japan)? Because they use Transformers The Last Knight for their product name, so I was thinking we should add it.

''Other'':
*Legends Doublecross' headmaster is not [[White Leo]]. All Japanese headmasters are just a smaller headmaster stage with a transector, and there is most likely no exception for this case. This is probably just a homage.
*Why is the LG EX Headmaster Pack are the American Headmasters, when Japan uses Transectors? (ex. Hardhead is Duros when it should be Hardhead)
*Can I move [[Elita One]] to Elite One (G1) because [[Elita One (COP)]] shares the spelling?

If you have a reason against me doing this, you should say it because I'll probably go through with these changes (Except Lieutenant). That's all folks! [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
:[[LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter|A chapter]] of the Legends comic said the LG-Ex headmaster set headmasters were the Nebulons. I can't comment on your other questions. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:38, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
::Ah I see. Thanks.[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 12:15, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so White Leo is actually the real White Leo according to the new comic. Good to know. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 21:06, 29 November 2017 (EST)

== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=See Also
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=Dinobot_mirror.jpg
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
|header=All too similar...
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
|talkpage=
|categories=
|mouseover=
|image_width=150px
|justification=left
|border=000000
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Alternate versions of Slug have appeared in other [[continuity family|continuity families]], including:
<gallery widths="100px" heights="150px">
File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
</gallery>
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
|talkpage=
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking, but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?
--[[User:TomServo88|TomServo88]] ([[User talk:TomServo88|talk]]) 16:21, 9 January 2018 (EST)

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==Faction symbol bullets?==
While working on more page revamping, it struck me that it might be a good idea to look into replacing the bullets in the lists with tiny faction symbol markers. On the one hand, it would make things a bit more visually pleasing and sort good bots and bad-bots in the mixed waves.<br>
On the other, I'm not sure how we could pull that off without overloading things. A simple template like <nowiki>"{{bp-a1}}" (bullet point autobot 1)</nowiki>, making sure the graphics are actually tiny and not having the wiki software scale down the images? I mean, there can be HUNDREDS of these on a page. Thoughts from the more technically-minded? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:27, 11 December 2016 (EST)
[[File:custombulletpoints.jpg|thumb|right|200px]]
:I've created this mockup of what it would look like. The coding would be something like:
:<code><nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>{{bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki></ul></nowiki></code>
:We'd have to specify the ul tags because mediawiki doesn't have a way to apply css classes to bullet points, as far as I can tell. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:59, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::Okiedoke. Sooo...
{{collist|5|
* a1 (Autobot G1)
* d1 (Autobot G1)
* a2 (Autobot G2)
* d2 (Autobot G2)
* m1 (Maximal BW)
* p1 (Predacon BW)
* mt (Mutant)
* m2 (Maximal BM)
* vh (Vehicon)
* bd (Dinobot BM)
* uc (Unicron)
* ac (Anti-Cybertron)
* mc (Mini-Con)
* p2 (Predacon Prime)
* sa (SG Autobot)
* sd (SG Decepticon)}}
::These seem like the most important ones. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:01, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:::I've added in the G1/2 and BW ones so we can try them out. The icons are just the ones from the insignia page resized, so if anyone wants to have a try at making them more legible, feel free. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:15, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::::For some reason it's putting "</li>" at the end. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:26, 11 December 2016 (EST)

It should work when they're used. E.G.:
<ul class="iconlist">
{{Bp-a1|[[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]}}
{{Bp-d1|[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-a2|[[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]}}
{{Bp-d2|[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]}}
{{Bp-m1|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-p1|[[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]]}}
{{Bp-mt|[[Soundwave (BW)|Soundwave]]}}
{{Bp-m2|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]}}
{{Bp-vh|[[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]}}
{{Bp-bd|[[Magmatron]]}}
</ul>
--[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:28, 11 December 2016 (EST)
:Okay, I'd left off the <nowiki>"<ul>"s</nowiki>. Noice. I THINK we might need some half-and-halfs for multipacks. But that shouldn't be too many, I think... G1, G2, BW, SG... Oh and I guess Auto/Prime-Pred and Decep/Prime-Pred. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:39, 11 December 2016 (EST)
::I had a try at doing some split icons for the multipacks, but haven't had any luck. I did adjust the style to move the icons down a smidge so they line up better with the text, though it requires adding in a class to the ul tag thus: <nowiki><ul class="iconlist"></nowiki> --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:03, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Can you give it just a tiny nudge to the right? So they end up slightly indented under the column headers, which makes them easier to read. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:50, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Tweaked. I think I've got it approximately the same indent as the non-icon lists now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:14, 12 December 2016 (EST)

REALLY not liking this. Looks far too cluttered to me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Request for vehicon template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 16:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Added the Beast Machines ones. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:30, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::Request for mini-cons template [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 17:10, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:::Added! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:45, 12 December 2016 (EST)
::::Request for Shattered Glass templates [[User:IronyMann|IronyMann]] ([[User talk:IronyMann|talk]]) 03:48, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::Request for Combatron template for Japanese releases. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:41, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:::::: Request for Unicron faction symbol. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 13:14, 13 December 2016 (EST)
::::::: I have added these. Unified documentation is [[Template:Bp-a1/doc|here]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 13 December 2016 (EST)
Off the top of my head while going through the Beast Wars page, we'll need hybrid Maximal/Predacon insignias and then... what do we do for oddball one-off things like the Starscream/Waspinator 2-pack? [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 16:32, 12 December 2016 (EST)
:Is Waspinator actually labeled as a Pred in that set, or a Decep? Honestly in either case I'd be okay with just using the Decepticon symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 16:36, 12 December 2016 (EST)

Will entries on the [[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|''Cybertron'' toyline page]] need two bullets each for faction and associated planet? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 07:45, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:No. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:00, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Sorry, when I called it the "Unicron" symbol, I meant the Blentron Unicron-head symbol. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:07, 13 December 2016 (EST)
:Ahhh, got it! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:51, 13 December 2016 (EST)

Uploading some half-an-half icons. I'm not making the templates because I'm bluntly not feeling up to it. Just getting the visuals out of the way. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:44, 13 December 2016 (EST)

== Kre-O pages with toys ==

The merging of ''Kre-O'' characters who are unambiguously based on 1 existing archetype with said archetype fell to the wayside some time ago. Anyone want to join me in restarting it? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:54, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:I didn't merge them back then because Sipher nixed the idea. If there's no opposition now, I'll help with merging them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:29, 27 December 2016 (EST)
::Wasn't around when Sipher nixed it, but I'll help too as many have been merged already. [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 07:08, 27 December 2016 (EST)
:::If we go through with this, we should probably begin by compiling a list to avoid any confusion over who does and does not qualify. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 02:43, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::::Already made a list [[User:Saix#preelm_Kre-O_merge_list|here]]. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 06:16, 28 December 2016 (EST)
I'm not sure the combiners should be merged. All of them have a distinct lineup, and the Terrorcons are a mix of G1 and ''Prime'' influences. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:58, 28 December 2016 (EST)
:"Distinct lineup" is pretty weak now we have Combiner Wars combiners with varying members and the G1 Terrorcons have used their Prime designs. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 28 December 2016 (EST)
::For that reason wont it be hard to tell which Transformer the Kreo is meant to represent when the same toy design has been used for multiple families? [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 21:13, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
I'm not sure if the ''Universe'' Soundwave Kreon should go on ''Machine Wars'' Soundwave's page, but what about putting the ''Music Label'' Soundwave Kreon on ''Shattered Glass'' Soundwave's page since the latter is precedent for independent white Soundwaves? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:34, 3 January 2017 (EST)

== Final Facebook fiction ==

Notice to all: Fun Publications is doing one final round of Facebook story posts. Let's wait at least a little while for this storyline to finish up before we add anything to the wiki. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:47, 31 December 2016 (EST)

== Derailment & Uprising pages ==

A number of small debates are popping up here and there about character pages for BWU. I thought we could agree here on some general rules for how to handle these pages, so the same conversation doesn't keep happening on several talk pages. There will be technicalities in certain cases, as always, but in general...
:* Characters drawn from non-Primax continuity families will get a new page, with a (BW) disambig. Aurex Mini-Cons like [[Synapse (BW)]], Uniend Predacons like [[Budora (BW)]], etc.
:* Exceptions will be for the Primax straddling Viron and Kre-O borrowed characters like [[Movor]] or [[Freefall (Kre-O)]]. Battle Beasts turned Cybertronians for Uprising will also be on the same page.
:* Some characters deliberately straddle two existing characters, like Deluge, Wideload, Stockade, Eagle Killer, etc. Individual consideration is necessary.
::* If the "composite" character draws more heavily on one existing character than the other (like Wideload who's clearly the Throttlebot but only borrowing the body-type and faction of the Classics Mini-Con), text should go on the more prominent page.
::* If the "composite" character is equally weighted, or little more than a cameo and a description, like Eagle Killer, it may be better to create a third Eagle Killer (BW) page acknowledging it as distinct from the two previous characters.
Anyone disagree with these guidelines, or have others they wish to add? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:39, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:What about a character/toy already spanning multiple non-G1 continuity families? Back when [[Rav (DOTM)]] appeared (not in beast mode) in "[[Identity Politics]]", I created [[Rav (BW)]]. But [[Catilla (DOTM)]] appears in "Derailment" (under "Katilla"). [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::Which is one reason for this thread, so we can at least get some consistent treatment. Those (DOTM) Mini-Cons seem like an odd situation. Am I right in assuming they weren't split when AVP used them in an Aurex cluster because there just wasn't enough material to bother having two pages? If we want to say ''"These (DOTM) guys have extremely small roles in multiple continuity families, so hug it, we're just going to have one page for each"'', I'm not...opposed to that. Depends on if someone has strong feelings about preserving the rule of splitting characters by Continuity Family. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:08, 1 January 2017 (EST)
::My bad on the Katilla front. I saw the ''Uprising'' header on his page and thought that meant it was were his fiction was meant to go. (Sorry.) [[User:Smasher|Smasher]] ([[User talk:Smasher|talk]]) 22:48, 1 January 2017 (EST)
The Book of Logos and the Lio Convoy historical paper are pretty extensive. Shall we create story articles for them as we did for "[[A Brush With Infamy–Prologue|A Brush With Infamy]]"? Perhaps as well with the Predacon Manifesto? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:28, 1 January 2017 (EST)
:I agree. Separate characters, separate events. Too extensive to try and lay out in the Notes section alone. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 22:42, 1 January 2017 (EST)
Can anyone identify these characters? On page 33 of "Derailment" there is a "teal and grey Predacon" with a wrist-mounted autocannon. On page 55 there's a male "grey/purple" Micromaster. And more likely to be generics: on page 33 is an "enterprising Maximal ro-simian" and on page 118 is a "red and green" male Maximal who is converted into a Vehicon. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:30, 1 January 2017 (EST)

Where Devastator and his components are concerned, does the use of ''Universe'' 2003 toys really count as [[repurposing]] when the toy never had contemporary fiction? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:40, 9 January 2017 (EST)

== Classics survivors on Axiom Nexus ==

How do we cite that final back page from OTFCC issue #72 in the Fiction sections? Where the Classics characters survived into Axiom Nexus? Just {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 72}}?
:"Epilogue" was the only thing we called it. (Thanks, Jesse) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:24, 2 January 2017 (EST)
::I just took it as part of the OMAM comic. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:57, 2 January 2017 (EST)

== GoBots sister wiki: An Ultimatum ==

Inspired by some person whining about GoBots on TFWiki this morning on Tumblr, I am going to reiterate my standing offer as publicly as possible:

'''If you are a person who would contribute to a GoBots sister wiki, stand up and be counted. If there's interest, I will create said wiki on ShoutWiki, and set it up with the basic set of templates needed for people to jump in and start making articles for characters, episodes, etc. You'll be able to go about everything exactly as if you were doing it on TFWiki.'''

Thanks to my having already done the legwork for the IDW Hasbro Wiki, this will be very simple - just starting the wiki and then importing an XML of all the relevant templates and CSS. I have no particular interest in contributing to a GoBots wiki, but I'm 100% ready and willing to get it running for those who would.

'''DISCLAIMER: If you've read this and don't come forward with your interest, you void any right to bring up the topic of GoBots coverage on TFWiki ever again, lest you be hurled into the hugging sun.'''

--[[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:42, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:Hell yeah. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::I'd like this to exist, but I admittedly won't be of much use other than organizational stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:51, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::Count me in! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:52, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::Obviously. Though with the caveat that I won't be touching my own stuff, which is a lot of the modern-era bits. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:56, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::: I'll do my best to help out. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:17, 4 January 2017 (EST)
::::::This is a great idea and I will help. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:06, 4 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::I'm in.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:59, 5 January 2017 (EST)
Okay, this is going to go ahead. Hoping to set it up at the weekend. Planning discussion is currently happening the [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/135861-the-god-damn-gobots-wiki/ Allspark thread]. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:20, 5 January 2017 (EST)
:Fun fact: it's been more active this week than the old TF wikia site.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:40, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::That's what we call "winning." :D -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:15, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::Okay, I actually have a serious comment, too: would it be appropriate to maintain a permanent link to the GB Wiki on our main page? Or just use an external link template on all GoBots pages? -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:18, 10 January 2017 (EST)
::::The external links are already being added, but I do agree that this (and the IDW Hasbro wiiki) deserve a big call out, at least for a while.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 18:21, 10 January 2017 (EST)
:::::Could we add them to the main page's fake disambiguation box as well? That would be fun. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 18:10, 12 January 2017 (EST)
Serious question: is there a "Community Portal" type page for the GB wiki?--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:02, 10 January 2017 (EST)

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=="diff | hist" problem==
Something happened to the feature that shows you what changed on a page in the history... the backing boxes are gone and the altered text is no longer in red. Which kinda compromises the usefulness of the feature. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:44, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Still working for me--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 19:51, 13 January 2017 (EST)
:Works for me, too. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:20, 13 January 2017 (EST)

== Scope of TfWiki ==

I'm just curious about the scope of our wiki. I know that if things are official and Transformers related, they are covered here. So things like Gobots and GI Joe are only covered when they involve Transformers. But what about the human and alien characters from Transformers? If say Spike Witwicky were to appear in a random issue of GI Joe or in any Hasbro property where there isn't a single Transformer or perhaps he even gets his own spinoff show, as boring as that would be, (and let's just forget about revolution for a moment because I feel like that complicates things a bit), would it be covered here? How would this wiki cover things like that? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 01:50, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:It's hard to forget about Revolution when that's the only example we can point to. The general, simplified scope of the Wiki has always been "When Hasbro/Takara uses/authorizes use of ''Transformers'' (the property), we cover it." But that came the implicit understanding that Has/Tak was only using Transformers stuff IN Transformers franchises. The blended Hasbro universe was unfathomable at the time. Now, we're being forced to fathom it. Thus far, the only example is Revolution, which has prompted users of the Wiki to formulate an entire separate [[http://idwhasbro.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page|IDW Hasbro Wiki]] to cover the expanded universe Transformers has stumbled backwards into at Hasbro's request. Further examples of TF or no-TF characters from TF franchises used in non-TF outlets by Hasbro would have to be considered as they happened, because the Wiki really has no plan for that at this time. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:58, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:: I see. Are the IDW versions of the Transformers going to be covered at the Hasbro ID Wiki? [[User:Freakertron|Freakertron]] ([[User talk:Freakertron|talk]]) 21:24, 22 January 2017 (EST)

==Foreign Name Policy==
Apparently there has been a discussion on AllSpark about Rāge/Rage and where to put her. So my question is, are we revisiting the wiki's stance on English name primacy? Because this is a very clear-cut case of a foreign character receiving an English language name. If so, are guys like Stepper/Ricochet and Gelshark/Sky-Byte, who were both brought up in that discussion, back on the table? I'm having trouble following the logic here. Like, to the point where I'm having a hard time understanding why it's even up for a vote. Are all policies subject to vote now upon specific implementation? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:44, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Because even if you were correct about implementing the policy, you did it wrong. Under the English name first policy, "Rāge" would be moved to "Rage (BWN)", since that's her franchise of origin, not "Rage (BW)". You would have known that if you consulted with other contributors first. Instead, regardless of the results of the vote, now we have to go back and undo the multiple pages you altered to the erroneous link of "Rage (BW)". For Primus's sake, Giggidy...you don't understand the wiki's policies on when to move pages. You KNOW you don't understand the wiki's policies. You've been screamed at by the owner and administrators of the wiki for moving pages. And yet you refuse to learn the very simple behavior of ''asking first and waiting for a response.'' What part of this is still unclear? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:39, 22 January 2017 (EST)
::I'll admit I was confused on the BW / BWN disambiguation, but that's an easy fix that can be accomplished in less than 10 minutes once Rage (BWN) gets deleted. But the Rāge thing is baffling. I know that our policy is English language names taking primacy. Add in that it's very difficult to type out macrons for most people and that there's a whole lot more fiction for her in English and in Japan, and that it's more accessible, and that it's shown up in both AVP and BWU, and I find the idea of it coming up for a vote incomprehensible. Which is why I'm asking, are we changing our policy on English language names taking priority. And, as for asking first, that's exactly what I did! I suggested a move, waited a MONTH, reiterated the suggestion, waited a week, and then attempted to execute. I thought no one else gave a damn. [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:31, 22 January 2017 (EST)
Related: do we want to move [[Lione]] to [[Sawback (Headmasters)]]? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:Obviously yes. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 16:48, 22 January 2017 (EST)

Related: why is the Headmasters disambiguation at "Headmasters" and not "HM". Did that ever come up for discussion or did we fall backwards into it? Since it's only used 4 times, it'd be an easy fix. Does anyone have strong feelings one way or the other? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:26, 22 January 2017 (EST)
:"Headmasters" is one word, so using the whole word is consistent with how we treat other one-word franchises (Armada, Victory, etc). Super-God Masterforce is a better example of how we've bypassed policy and gone with the clearer, more frequently used disambig ("Masterforce") over the more obscure but sticking to policy one ("SGM"). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:53, 23 January 2017 (EST)

Well if this subject is actually getting some attention, then are there any arguments for or against moving "Rāge" to "Rage (BWN)"? I point out that while "Rage (BWN)" would technically be following primacy of English names, this "English name" only involves a minor orthographic change, was established years after the fact in another minor continuity, and don't we now and then like to break from the ubiquitous pattern of having to use parentheticals when it's not unreasonable to do so? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:02, 23 January 2017 (EST)
: I would not support moving the page because of Uprising, because Uprising has its own "continuity in a blender" thing going on, with its own unique Naming Conventions to change and alter character titles. I would support moving it because the unique character "ā" makes searching for the Queen counter-intuitive and harder to find for unfamiliar visitors and difficult for editors to assign links. That said, if "Rage (BWN)" is a functional redirect for "Rāge", I don't think it matters at all WHICH of the two is the ''actual'' page title. Six of one, half-dozen of the other. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:25, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::It's not that hard to use the Edit Tools below the summary box to add the macron. "Makes things easier for editors" should not be a directive. As for finding it, everybody will still type "rage" into the search box and be led to the disambiguation page that will have her regardless of article title. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:47, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Uprising or not, the character was also referred to as "Rage" in Ask Vector Prime, which does not particularly have unique Naming Conventions. Arguments in favor of the move: One, that's our policy. Two, she has considerably more fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Three, she has considerably more ''accessible'' fiction under the name Rage than Rāge. Freely downloadable PDFs versus ancient low-print-run BWN manga. Four, Rāge is in fact difficult to write and type. I always find myself cutting and pasting. Five, she's never actually been officially referred to as "Rāge" anywhere, ever, in any fiction. If you are really a purist, then wouldn't "ラーゲ" make more sense, especially if as Saix argues making things easier for editors isn't a priority? Six, you need to have a functional knowledge of conventions for transliterating Japanese to English to be able to read and understand how to pronounce Rāge. 99% of our audience or more will look at that and think "Raaay-j", rather than "rah-geh". Arguments against the move: one, it's been at Rāge a long time. Two, it's how the character was first introduced to the fandom, such as it was. Any other?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:34, 23 January 2017 (EST)
::::Your points 2 and 3 are flawed. Rage only properly appeared in 1 BWU story, and while BWU is indeed more accessible, I don't see how niche Internet-only Club fiction has that much more ground on old manga. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:35, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::This "people won't understand how to say it" is kind of an annoying point. We wouldn't be having that sort of argument if it were a non-English word natively rendered in Latin characters. People can't pronounce foreign dub actors' names correctly. We had the Chinese characters at their strict Pinyin names even though most people don't understand how to read it. I'm not sure why "can readers pronounce it correctly" even matters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 04:21, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::::::"Rage" isn't happening. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:09, 24 January 2017 (EST)
:::::::Is that you voting against it? Or you tallying the vote? I don't really see any kind of consensus one way or the other. And are there greater policy implications? [[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:03, 24 January 2017 (EST)
::I agree that Uprising's name conventions are too, well, unconventional for it to be able to take precedence over an established-for-years name. However, the macron was never official and arguably never correct in the first place. The Japanese extended A is not the English long A, and the macron implies the latter. Aren't Japanese extended vowels normally represented by just doubling the vowel in romanization? I think "Raage" would be more correct than "Rāge". [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 19:51, 23 January 2017 (EST)
:::Macrons are used in Hepburn romanization to indicate lengthened vowels because there are native words with two As next to each other that are pronounced separately. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:04, 23 January 2017 (EST)

== The extent of our G.I. Joe coverage ==

So this is a subject that was talked about on the AllSpark but that should be raised here, just because I've spotted Charles's edit to the Cobra article today. So we're doing G.I. Joe vol. 5 issue articles, because Skywarp's in it and they use the Nemesis as their base and have Cybertronian weapons. Okay, fine and dandy, no problem. BUT. Outside of those limited cases, I do '''not''' think we want to be updating the Joes' and Cobras' character articles with every issue's information. Lady Jaye and Gung-Ho's articles do not need to have detailed write-ups of their mission in Greece, for instance. This is an odd situation and we need to have a line regarding how ''much'' of the content of these issues needs covered on the characters' individual articles, when this is what we have the IDW Hasbro Wiki for. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:20, 27 January 2017 (EST)
:Okay, what I'd say:
:*Character articles get a very generic overview line with a link-out to the IDW Hasbro Wiki. Like, "Lady Jaye was a member of G.I. Joe who worked for the team after Skywarp joined." No real information that doesn't directly pertain to Skywarp being involved.
:*The G.I. Joe and Cobra articles get sllllightly more detailed summaries that still link out to IDWHW for full coverage. These, again, would mostly center on Transformers involvement (the Nemesis, the laser guns, Skywarp).
:*Anything/anyone that actually appears in a Transformers title gets a full writeup of those exploits, but will still link out to IDWHW for anything that isn't in a TF comic.
:Y/N?--[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:34, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, I figure we should basically do what we do when an article links out to a "Examplor (G1)/Example G1 continuity" type sub-page - one or two summary paragraphs with the Main (or MainIDW in this case) template at the top. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:19, 27 January 2017 (EST)
::That all sounds very reasonable. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 27 January 2017 (EST)

== Maintenance ==

I'm going to do some maintenance on the server shortly. It may make the site slow temporarily, but we'll see... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:08, 18 February 2017 (EST)
:All finished! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:00, 18 February 2017 (EST)

== Use of "parsed" ==

"Parsed" is often used on here to describe how names or titles are written, but I submit that it's not a good word choice in these cases. "Parse" is like "read", whereas something like "render" would be more like "write" which would be more appropriate to the intent of a line like "Sometimes his name is parsed Cross-Cut". I'm sure the difference doesn't matter to many people, but I personally was legitimately puzzled the first several times I encountered it here and I expect it's happened to others as well. I figured I'd submit this for discussion before actually making any changes in case there was a good argument for continuing to use "parsed" instead of "rendered". [[User:Steelfire|Steelfire]] ([[User talk:Steelfire|talk]]) 15:20, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:"Spelled" would be a better option than "parsed" here too. I'm not sure why we're using "parsed" in this way... --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:54, 19 February 2017 (EST)
::I think I read in the dictionary some years ago that we were not using "parse" correctly, but I could never be bothered to point this out. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 19 February 2017 (EST)
:::Yeah, "parsed" is synonymous with "understood as". For instance, IAMNOWHERE can be parsed as "I am nowhere" or "I am now here". So the word is only appropriate when there's some level of analysis and interpretation involved. Translations, for instance: When [[Deathsaurus (Victory)#His_stupid_name|this note about Deathsaurus's name]] lists all the romanizations people have come up with, I think you could validly say his name has been "parsed" in those ways because they involve trying to extract something sensible to English speakers from the unclear Japanese. But unfortunately we've rarely used the word in situations like that; [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=default&search=parsed&fulltext=Search the vast majority of the time] it's been used to describe the presence or absence of hyphens and spaces. If those had an effect on meaning, such as in IAMNOWHERE, that could be appropriate, but I don't see any instances where that's the case. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] ([[User talk:Jackpot|talk]]) 13:56, 27 February 2017 (EST)

== IDWHasbro link icons ==

Links to the IDWHasro Wiki should now have the favicon for that site auto-inserted on the end. I made an exception for [[Template:MainIDW]] because I thought it looked redundant to have icons after each link, but thoughts? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:15, 1 April 2017 (EDT)

== Crew pages ==

I've been going through the orphaned pages and I found there's a lot of "person X was this crew member on Y movie or Z tv show." Would a cast and crew credits page for the individual TV shows and movies be a helpful idea in cleaning this up? Otherwise I'm at a loss as to where to link a random stunt pilot or storyboard artist. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] ([[User talk:Bluestreak7|talk]]) 16:22, 3 April 2017 (EDT)
:I think it's a good idea. We already have limited crew credits on [[Transformers (film)]], so we could have a link to a subpage with the full credits. Though maybe leave the names unlinked until they have actual pages, to avoid flooding the Wanted Pages list with a ton of new entries. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:44, 3 April 2017 (EDT)

== New anti-spam measure ==

Since we had to shut down signups last week due to spam, I've implemented a mediawiki plugin (You can see it listed in [[Special:Version]] as Sentinel) to try to automatically ban spammers - if you see a new user sign up and then get banned by WikiSysop, that means the plugin detected them trying to add spam to the wiki. It will also email a copy of what they were trying to add to me, so in the hopefully unlikely event someone who is not a spammer gets caught by it, I can unblock them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:49, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

== Foreign name format ==

Okay, I'm bringing this here as it affects a large number of pages. I recently changed the [[Eagle Eye (G2)]] page from "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' ("[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]", ホーク ''Hōku'')" to "*''Japanese:'' '''Hawking''' (ホーキング ''Hōkingu''), '''Hawk''' (ホーク ''Hōku''. ''[[Badlands (issue)|Badlands]]'')" on the grounds that the previous version implied that "Badlands" was the translation of "Hawk". Flicky1991 reverted me on the grounds that the prior version matched the format used on many other pages. To me, this seems like a widespread error that needs to be fixed but I wanted to bring it up here before going on a hunt for all instances of this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:35, 3 May 2017 (EDT)

== More maintenance ==

I'm going to do some more maintenance on the server in a couple of hours. There'll be a bit of downtime, but it should be brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:01, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
:All done, please go about your business! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:36, 7 May 2017 (EDT)

==Anti-spam AGAIN==
Okay, somehow spambots are getting through the automated stuff. And if YouTube, Steam and Twitter have proven anything, it's that relying solely on automation for administration doesn't fucking work. I'm pretty convinced there needs to be a HUMAN level of interaction for new account signups.<br>
[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/?p=3502427 As noted in the Allspark thread], one possibility is that new users are auto-blocked from editing any pages but their own talkpages. Said talkpage would also be automatically created with a template explaining that they need to put something ON this newly-created talkpage so we know they're human, and an admin will be along to unlock editing privileges once they've seen some evidence of human. And of course they'd be getting alerts to a change to their talkpage automatically, both in the topbar and via email, so it'd be hard to miss.<br>
Sure, they might have to wait a bit for an admin to come along. But there's almost always an admin online at any given point in the day, and I'd prefer this than cleaning up another rampage of fake Userpages full of shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:06, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:I am not actually sure how this new crop of spammers got past the anti-spam plugin I added. It should have caught them! I've disabled signups for now until I can take a look at it, but I'll have to look into if what you're suggesting is feasible to do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:16, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

== List of female TFs ==

I've been looking at the [[List of female Transformers]] page, which has become pretty ungainly and cluttered, and wondering if there's a better way to handle it; and I've ended up wondering — do we actually need it? Particularly as female Transformers become more common and the lines between continuity families get blurrier, is there any particular role it serves that the Female Transfomers category doesn't? I'm fairly certain that it either isn't necessary or needs a big overhaul. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 07:31, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
:I'll add my vote for "no longer necessary." The [[Female Transformer|Female Transformers]] page will have any relevant information about female Transformers in general, and the [[:Category:Female Transformers|Female Transformers Category]] is available for users who wish to browse a full listing. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:13, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
On this subject, I've noticed that a few of the characters that were female in Uprising have an "in most universes this character is male" note on their page, even if Uprising is the entirety of their fiction section... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 10:34, 10 June 2017 (EDT)

== Factions ==

I just noticed we have a category for factions but not an article for the general concept. Could just be an article saying something like "Most Transformers fiction revolves around wars between two or more factions", and then a description of the major factions in play in each continuity. Thoughts? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 13:02, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

:Sure, sounds good to me.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 16:36, 23 May 2017 (EDT)

== disambig pages ==

i'm editing a few disambig pages ([[Shockwave (disambiguation)]] at the moment), and i have some questions.

Is there a guideline for how to organize ''Not to be confused with'' sections? Alphabetically or chronologically, perhaps?

If something goes in the ''Not to be confused with'' section for a reason other than ''"their names are similar"'', should the disambig page explain ''why'' so-and-so is on such-and-such (disambiguation)? (Example: Shockwave disambiguates [[Nitro Zeus| Nitro]] and [[Whirl (G1)| Whirl]].)

How similar do names have to be to go on a disambig page (in the main section or ''Not to be confused with'')? (Example: i'm thinking of adding [[Shockdrive]] to Shockwave's disambig.)

At what point should ''Not to be confused with'' be replaced with (or augmented by) ''see other articles starting with [whatever]''? (i'm probably about to add [[Special:PrefixIndex/Shock|other articles that start with "Shock"]] to [[Shockwave (disambiguation)]].)

...i'll come back if i remember the other questions i wanted to ask.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 19:05, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
:I think adding a lot of less relevant names to disambiguation pages makes it harder for people to find stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:38, 3 June 2017 (EDT)
::Speaking of disambig pages, I've noticed a few characters have had their toy sections split off from their main pages without the toy pages being added to the disambig pages as we'd usually do... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 05:41, 4 June 2017 (EDT)

== New page: Flight Stands ==

Hi, I created a new page for the [[flight stand]] and flight stand port gimmick. Would appreciate some help fleshing it out. --[[User:Exastiken|Exastiken]]([[User talk:Exastiken|talk]]) 1:50, 6 June 2017 (PST)

== Fun Publications Prose Stories and Comics ==

I've started re-reading the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] prose stories and was surprised at how under-developed the pages on this wiki are for [[Dungeons & Dinobots]] and [[Do Over]]. A glance around some of the other pages has rather cemented the idea that, especially for continuities that crop up everywhere on this wiki, the pages are kinda confusing. Now that FunPub's shut its doors this seems like an ideal moment to get the house in order. Most of this stuff should technically go on the individual talk pages but that seems rather scattershot. Here are my observations:

*Apparently several prose stories received prologues in the pages of the [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|Club Magazine]]. This was mentioned once in 2009 on D&D's talk page and once again in 2009 on the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] talk page, and never got addressed. There's mention of 'Story Previews' on the page for the magazine with no explanation of what those previews contained or where they were reprinted. What follows are some specific examples:
**[[The Dark Heart of Sandokan]] (which is also in need of a checkup by someone who's actually read the story - it's got a stub at the bottom) had a prologue in Mag #13
**[[The Razor's Edge]] got one in #14, which was apparently included without ceremony in the synopsis text. Again, the notes are a stub. (I tried to read this story once and couldn't get past the first two pages, so I can't really blame it for being overlooked.)
**[[Gone Too Far]], [[Withered Hope]] and [[I, Lowtech]] each got a 1-page comic in #19-21, which (to my memory) were included in the PDFs for the actual text.
**[[Dungeons & Dinobots]] got a 1-page prologue in #22 featuring [[Huffer (SG)|Huffer]] (which is actually a lot of fun) which receives... no mention. Anywhere. Looking at the page for #22, I would never have realised that it was anything special.
**[[At Fight's End]] apparently had a 3-page comic in #30 which was included in full in the PDF. Other than a small note halfway down the 'Notes' section basically acknowledging its existence, there's no hint of this on the page or which parts of the synopsis relate to the prologue.

*I kinda get why the [[Transformers Timelines (fiction)|Transformers Timelines]] page is structured the way it is, but as somebody who came to Timelines with no prior experience, I found it extremely confusing.
**At the top there's listed all the 'Timelines' issues. That's fine, because it makes it clear that those were the full-size print comics published - most everything else on the page is digital.
**Right now, everything is split into two sections. BotCon stories and Club stories.
***BotCon stories are split by year, with notes on which medium and continuity each story was.
***Club stories are split by medium first, then year, with notes on which continuity each of those were part of.
**This is all great if you want to know how these things were distributed. Combine this page with that of the Magazine and you have a complete list of every piece of fiction FunPub ever put out. But all of that, other than where to originally obtain each thing, is basically irrelevant to somebody looking to read the stuff.
**The alternative is to look at the individual continuity pages. Those pages are haphazard and really need redesigning from the ground up, something I'd be happy to 'sandbox' if I knew how. The [[Transformers: Wings Universe]] page is nice but includes no information on the mediums of any of the stories. [[Transformers: TransTech]] and [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (fiction)| Shattered Glass]] are the worst - the former is basically a random list of stories and the latter is a sprawling mess with unlinked story names mixed up within paragraphs of over-detailed plot summaries. It's not helpful to somebody who's heard about these franchises in passing and is wondering what's going on.

*'Virtual Redecoes' have, starting with [[Beast Wars: Uprising|BW:U]], been included on the pages of the stories where they appear. [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)| Shattered Glass]] repurposings are listed on the relevant character pages and on the toyline page, but virtual redecoes (insofar as there are any) get no mention except on character pages. I think these should be handled more in line with BWU, where they get mentioned on the source story pages.

*The [[Dinobot (SG)]] page has listed 'Grimlock, Swoop, and seven others' and 'Goryu, Overkill, Slugfest, and five others'. I'd bet that the 'seven others' are SG versions of [[Slag (G1)]] (who is offhandedly mentioned in D&D), [[Sludge (G1)]], [[Snarl (G1)]], [[Dile]], [[Saur]], [[Graphy]] and [[Noise]], and that the 'five others' are the five remaining members of [[Dinoforce]]. Thoughts on that, and if there should be a note added on that page (and [[Dungeons & Dinobots]])? It's nowhere in the text, but can be extrapolated from how specific the numbers are and what the known Dinobots are.

*Seeing as we've got source pages for several of the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] Cybertronix texts, it'd be nice to include links to translated versions of all of them. Not necessarily source pages, but just a way of actually getting to the stuff - it's all very well saying 'the Cybertronix text shows the thoughts of Fortress Maximus' but it'd be nice to have a way at getting to the original.

*Can somebody please, please, please hunt down a recording of [[The Hot Rod]] and write it up? I know everyone hated that con's comic, but it's killing me seeing that page so empty. Somebody must have recorded it. If no-one knows where to find it, maybe it should go in the 'grails' box on the main page? Let's not just go off second-hand accounts.

That's basically everything I've noticed for now. In summary, it seems to me that these pages were created as and when they were needed and the club's erratic nature meant that things got more and more disorganised with time. I'm a long-time lurker who spent ages trawling the wiki to work out exactly how all of this fiction fit together, and many people would have given up in that time. I'm new to editing but have read most of the Timelines fiction and want to help out, so go easy on me yeah? Now that FunPub's done we can probably spruce up these pages and call it a day, right? - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:09, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
:All really good observations. The problem is that nobody really has the will to go back and edit all of the Club/BotCon stories to meet a standard. The earlier pages were made before the wiki really started to have more dedicated synopses and notes and nobody really went back to beef them up because they simply aren't that great or important. Compound that with the exclusive nature of the stories, especially the magazine, and you rarely get people who care enough to fix up our coverage. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:15, 9 June 2017 (EDT)
::I do want to get around to this. I'm currently doing the Complete AllSpark Almanac annotations, so maybe after I'm done with therm, I'll get to this. 14:28, 9 June 2017 (EDT)

== Page count when listing errors ==

Probably a silly question, but I like consistency. How do we count pages in an issue? I'm never sure how to count 'em when adding a mention of a typo or something, and judging by the error subsections in various articles "page six" may mean everything from "page six, the cover of the issue being the first" to "page six without the cover, credits and summary/cast". - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 18:56, 12 July 2017 (EDT)

:Good question. i don't remember if TF comics ever have page numbers printed on them, but some comics do; official page numbers take precedence. In the absence of page numbers printed on the page, i prefer that the cover does not count as a page (call it "the front cover" if you have to refer to something there), and the back of the front cover does not count as a page ("inside front cover" or "page 0") even if it and page 1 form a [[wikipedia:Glossary_of_comics_terminology#Splash|splash page]] together. Page 1 is page 1 even if it's an ad, or a [[wikipedia:Edition notice|copyright page]], or a table of contents, or blank. The back of page 1 is page 2, which faces page 3 (sometimes a the left edge of a panel will be on page 2 and the right edge of the panel will be on page 3; if necessary, you may specify something like, "Optimus Prime's name is misspelled 'Mr. Potato Head' in the first panel of page 3, which is also part of the second panel of page 2"). The back of page 3 is page 4 and faces page 5, etc until the even-numbered last page of the book, which faces the "inside back cover" (no page number), whose flip side is "the back cover" (no page number).

:All page numbers may change when reprints (such as trade paperbacks) remove/insert ads, reprinted covers and cover variants, letters pages, concept art, etc. So make sure you specify what edition you're referencing when you give a page number.

:My [[Shanix|two cents]].

:--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:50, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
::The wiki generally starts counting from the first page of story, as far as I'm aware. So, for instance, if the first two sides after the inside-cover are a 'Previously' and a cast list, those wouldn't be counted. And with IDW issues, there's no ads during the story, so there's not any potential for ambiguity there. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:02, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

:::Thanks for the input! My preferred solution is the one mentioned by Jalaguy, but I wasn't sure whether it was the right one. - [[User:Silver|Silvery]] ([[User talk:Silver|talk]]) 11:56, 16 July 2017 (EDT)

== disambiguation questions ==

If something appears on a disambiguation page, is there any reason the actual article should ''not'' have a disambig hatnote? Example: [[Breakdown_(disambiguation)#Media_with_.22Breakdown.22_in_the_title|Breakdown (disambiguation)]] links to [[Transformers: Breakdown|''Transformers: Breakdown'']], but not vice versa.

[[Generations (disambiguation)]] does not mention [[Generation 1 (disambiguation)|Generation 1]], [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']], [[Special:PrefixIndex/Regeneration|Regeneration]] [[The Transformers: Regeneration One|''One'']], or [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']]; should it? and/or should we create [[Generation (disambiguation)]] for those? [[Second Generation!|Second]] [[Transformers: Second Generation|''Generation'']] and [[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|''Generation 2'']] do not have disambig links to each other, either.

Not necessary, but would it be funny for [[Falcon (disambiguation)]] to link to [[Popular_Earth_vehicle_alternate_modes#F-16_Fighting_Falcon|F-16 Fighting Falcon]] and ''[[Millennium Falcon]]''?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 16:26, 15 July 2017 (EDT)

== Aligned cartoon continuity ==

None of the Aligned character pages arrange the fiction sections into any continuity dichotomy. While we may treat Aligned as roughly 1 storyline, shouldn't stories clearly tied into the cartoons be arranged together à la the Beast Wars character pages? e.g. novels, the ''Covenant'', then sectioned together: ''Prime'' cartoon, ''Rescue Bots'' cartoon, 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon, Japanese cartoon continuity, and then ancillary media by order of release date. At least things like the Pop-Up book don't belong with the rest. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:31, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
:Oh, most certainly. Chronological order only works for so long. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 01:42, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

== 'Other continuities' galleries ==

Reactions were generally positive last time I brought the concept up on the Allspark, so I've rolled out 'other versions' galleries to five versions of Slag:

*[[Slag (G1)]]
*[[Snarl (Animated)]]
*[[Slug (FOC)]]
*[[Slug (AOE)]]
*[[Slug (Adventure)]]

The idea is that these fill a gap disambig pages sometimes can't, when characters change names between continuities, and allow users to easily find alternate versions of a character they're interested in. My intention is that the galleries would only cover the "main" continuity families, so no SG, Kre-O, etc. Thoughts on the implementation? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:01, 1 August 2017 (EDT)

:I am in favour of this, although I can see it causing arguments about who is a version of who. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:24, 2 August 2017 (EDT)

:I'm not sure. I'd rather put this information on the disambiguation pages, either include it in the main gallery section or give it its own section under that. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 16:55, 2 August 2017 (EDT)
::Disambiguation pages go by name (and spelling), though. Surely there must be some use to helping a reader know that "[[Slog (AOE)]]" is the movieverse version of "[[Sludge (G1)]]" when nothing on G1 Sludge's page says so. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:56, 4 August 2017 (EDT)
:::You could do that by adding AOE Slog to the Sludge disambiguation page, probably in a new "Related Characters" section (and still have the image for him). [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:42, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
Given comments that this could be obtrusive, and the unfortunate fact that some "alternative versions" of characters don't actually have visuals, I've added "See also" sections to [[Wreck-Gar (G1)#See also|various]] [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|Wreck-Gar]] [[Wreck-Gar (Prime)#See also|pages]] as an alternative. Any thoughts? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:23, 1 September 2017 (EDT)

== C.O.P.S. ==

With Revolution tying all the Hasbro properties that were only previous implied to coexist in the same universe (atleast in the case of the Sunbow cartoon-verse), I began to notice something. Vector Prime seemingly confirms that the cartoon COPS takes place in the "G1 cartoon universe", but IDW doesn't seem to have any sort of revival planned, as far as I'm aware and now I must ask, is COPS a property even owned by Hasbro (and is just forgotten) or is it owned by another company, and the connections made by Ask Vector Prime and Larry Hama were just easter-eggs? [[User:Transfan 1992|Transfan 1992]] ([[User talk:Transfan 1992|talk]]) 04:06, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
:It was based on a Hasbro toyline, yes. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:10, 3 August 2017 (EDT)
::To be precise, the name was "C.O.P.S ’n’ Crooks". The more you know. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 04:28, 3 August 2017 (EDT)

== Maintenance downtime ==

Heads up! We'll have some downtime in a couple of hours for maintenance reasons. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:17, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
:The maintenance is done. Please let me know if the site is acting oddly or you otherwise see anything amiss. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 5 August 2017 (EDT)
::There's going to be a bit more in half an hour. Hopefully brief. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:31, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
:::And all done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:20, 22 August 2017 (EDT)
::::Another round in about half an hour. Sorry! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:29, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::Once more, maintenance completed. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:14, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
::::::And one more lot in about half an hour. That should hopefully be it for a while. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:57, 29 August 2017 (EDT)
:::::::All maintenance now complete. Please go about your business. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:44, 29 August 2017 (EDT)

== Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections ==

Do readers of this wiki find the long statistics on EW/FtF character pages useful? (e.g. [[Windblade (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars]]) I can see some practicality to them, but they look rather out of place compared to every other game segment on this wiki's character pages, which are traditionally devoted to narrative-style recaps. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:07, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:I don't care for them, personally. They're like the tech spec numbers we actively decided against trying to incorporate because they are big and unwieldy, and the site isn't really supposed to be a gaming wiki. On the other hand, we've long had game information for, say, Attacktix on the appropriate pages, so it's not without precedent. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 00:09, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

As the user who took the most initiative to write up Earth Wars and Forged to Fight sections for each character, my intent is for the in-game info is to list the ''general basic information'' of what they are in-game, and adding an external link to other wikis that covers their more technical information.

If Forged to Fight characters' game info feels too cluttered, they could be replaced with a link to their pages on the [http://transformers-forged-to-fight.wikia.com| Transformers: Forged to Fight Wikia], but it's just started and I'm the only active user there. --[[User:Woo224|Woo224]] ([[User talk:Woo224|talk]]) 02:45, 17 September 2017 (EDT)
:Thank you for working on those, by the way. I don't play EW but have been enjoying FTF, and since there is a little story there I'm pleased someone has been recording it. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 12:13, 17 September 2017 (EDT)

==Russia's "Portal" series==
This has been out for 8-12 months already and we don't even have a stub for it. I have a bit of a hard time parsing the language on this, but could anyone else take a stab at it please? Or is this just a Russian market rename of something we do already have? http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/02/18/transformers-portal-official-crossover-titans-return-robots-disguise-333592 --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:56, 23 September 2017 (EDT)

== Taiwanese Mandarin names ==

I doubt there are many interested in this subject, but as a public service announcement, I propose that where this wiki lists Mandarin names from the Taiwanese market, we romanize them using hanyu pinyin as opposed to the haphazard semi-Wade-Giles that currently pervades this wiki. I'm of Taiwanese descent myself and acknowledge the distinctions in the Taiwanese accent, but this isn't a linguistics wiki, and pinyin is the most convenient way to go. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 11:00, 29 September 2017 (EDT)
:Sure. I think it was only TX55 who was for Wade-Giles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:12, 29 September 2017 (EDT)

== Crossover appearances in other merchandise lines ==

I know we have policies for how to handle guest appearances in other fiction, but what's the policy for when a Transformers character appears officially as part of another property in a merchandise capacity? Specifically, I'm not sure what to do about the two [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/hascon-2017-magic-the-gathering-exclusive-cards-featuring-transformers-grimlock/39087/ Grimlock cards] released as HasCon exclusives for Magic the Gathering. Would they go on G1 Grimlock's merchandise page? Would it be better to make a MtG article that covers them? <s>Just a blurb on the HasCon 2017 page?</s> ''(I guess that one's already there.)'' Some combination thereof? Or are they not even notable enough for inclusion? Any suggestions would be appreciated. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:29, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
:Just put the cards in merch. Make a MtG page that focuses primarily on the Transformers elements in it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:27, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
i just added the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Rubik's Crew|Optimus Prime]] [[Rubik's Cube]] (should we note there's also a [https://www.hasbro.com/en-us/product/rubik-s-crew-my-little-pony-pinkie-pie-edition:166CE6A6-5056-9047-F504-FCB5AE9E2BBB My Little Pony Rubik's Cube?]), and i was thinking about putting the no-longer-available [https://www.hexbug.com/hexbug-nano-transformers.html Hexbug Nano Transformers] on the wiki somewhere. i'm going to add Allspark Pictures to [[Transformers names in other Hasbro lines]], but i wonder if it should also go on [[Allspark (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:34, 7 October 2017 (EDT)

== 4K Goodness ==

When [[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)/home_video]] exists it'll likely get some mention of what isn't yet listed [[Transformers:_The_Last_Knight_(film)#Home_video_releases|here]], but the first four films are getting an upgrade too: [http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=14168390#post14168390], [http://www.homemediamagazine.com/high-def/uhds-breakout-year-40831] In fact, 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray (or however it's gonna be spelled) could stand to be another redirect to [[Home video]], like [[Blu-ray]], [[VHS]], and [[DVD]], but sadly not [[LaserDisc]] (yet?).
[[User:Klknoles|Klknoles]] ([[User talk:Klknoles|talk]]) 00:56, 13 October 2017 (EDT)

==Crap ton of Questions ==

Heya. I got some questions.

''TLK'':
*The credits say Mark Ryan voiced the World War 1 Tank/Lieutenant. We know the World War Tank 1 is Bulldog, but who is Lieutenant? It has to be the Spitfire Autobot. He's old, so he is might be a lieutenant? Also, the Spitfire Autobot did talk, but we don't know his voice actor since we don't know his name. The only character who didn't get named and was voiced was the Spitfire Autobot. So the Spitfire Autobot has to be Lieutenant who is voiced by Mark Ryan. And also the Lieutenant can't just be another name for Bulldog because slashes in the credits are different charcters, i.g. Crosshairs/Nitro Zeus.

*Should the Tiny Turbo Changers on the TLK toyline be put in alphabetical order?

*Should we include the TLK-EX stuff (Transformers Tribute in Japan)? Because they use Transformers The Last Knight for their product name, so I was thinking we should add it.

''Other'':
*Legends Doublecross' headmaster is not [[White Leo]]. All Japanese headmasters are just a smaller headmaster stage with a transector, and there is most likely no exception for this case. This is probably just a homage.
*Why is the LG EX Headmaster Pack are the American Headmasters, when Japan uses Transectors? (ex. Hardhead is Duros when it should be Hardhead)
*Can I move [[Elita One]] to Elite One (G1) because [[Elita One (COP)]] shares the spelling?

If you have a reason against me doing this, you should say it because I'll probably go through with these changes (Except Lieutenant). That's all folks! [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:32, 29 October 2017 (EDT)
:[[LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter|A chapter]] of the Legends comic said the LG-Ex headmaster set headmasters were the Nebulons. I can't comment on your other questions. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 05:38, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
::Ah I see. Thanks.[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 12:15, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
:::Okay, so White Leo is actually the real White Leo according to the new comic. Good to know. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 21:06, 29 November 2017 (EST)

== Voice Actors listed on separate episodes ==

Why don't we have voice actors listed on separate episodes? Also does anyone know if Transformers: Portal came out yet? [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 13:59, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:I don't think there's been a specific discussion, but since it's rare for characters to have different voice actors in different episodes, it would cause a lot of clutter for not a lot of gain. If someone wants to see who voiced a particular character, they can generally just go to the character's page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:57, 7 November 2017 (EST)
:http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Portal Rudimentary since there is next to no coverage in English. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:55, 7 November 2017 (EST)
::Yeah, that's true. And regarding Transformers: Portal, they ''did'' actually start making episodes. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 19:06, 7 November 2017 (EST)

== Vote on "other versions of character" sections ==

So the "example versions" of these sections has been up for a while now with nothing being done about them, so we should probably decide one way or the other whether we're using them. I definitely feel very strongly that these sections at the bottoms of articles would be very positive for accessibility and people being able to quickly find other versions of the character that they've been reading about — after all, there's no real difference between [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]], [[Demolishor (WFC)|Demolishor]], and [[Demolisher]], and they are ''inarguably'' the same "character" in a way that [[Demolishor (ROTF)]] isn't. There's three options for what we can do:
* [[Slug (AOE)#Other continuities|Jalaguy's galleries]]
* [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)#See also|My "see also" bullet-lists]]
* Keep things as they are and just have users rely on the disambiguation pages
I vote for the bullet lists, since they're unobtrusive and can still be used when a character has no images available. [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-442#entry3619900 This Allspark post] by M Sipher sums up my feelings pretty well. Anyone else? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 14:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I vote keep things as is. While the current system isn't perfect, I think this sort of disambiguation is best left to the...disambiguation pages. It is why they exist. Having a separate section for a DIFFERENT form of disambiguation at the bottom of the article opposing the regular disambiguation links at the top makes no sense to me. I think a better option would be to improve the "new user utility" of the existing disambig pages. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 15:38, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I say keep things the way it is. For the same reason Xaaron stated above. I think those "Other versions" sections should only be for characters with different spellings. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:49, 8 November 2017 (EST)
:I'd prefer to keep things as they are. If we have to go with one of those two though I prefer the bullet-lists for being less obtrusive. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 15:53, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I think I would like the bullet list version if it was slightly more eyecatching, like in a template box of some sort:
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=See Also
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:as a rough example. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:59, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh, ooh, yes, I like this. It fixes the one reservation I had with the bullet list, which was eye-catching-ness.
::And I maintain that disambiguation pages really don't severe the purpose that this proposal was originally intended for - helping the uninformed user find about other-continuity versions of the character they've just read about. The link to a disambiguation is very easily glossed over (who can honestly say that they read through every header note and template before beginning the intro paragraph?), and they're set up entirely for their primary purpose, which is getting you from the search box to the right article. If you want to find alt-universe versions of a character, you'd have to manually dig through the list to see which are actually the same guy and which are different guys with the same name. You could rework disambig pages, but that'd make them worse at their primary job. An end-of-article list of alt versions of the specific character hurts nobody and helps the uniformed reader sort through the morass to other content they'll be interested in. The way I see it, there's no downside. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:37, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I'd also like to quickly add that I solicited feedback on the proposal from TFWiki Tumblr followers a while back (on the basis that they're reasonably likely to be in the "got-into-TFs-relatively-recently" demographic that this is intended to help), and got plenty of "yeah, this would be helpful for me" feedback. The proposal ''will'' help people, and I don't see what ''harm'' it could possibly do, so...? [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:55, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::Ooh. Yesyesyes to this. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:39, 8 November 2017 (EST)

:I like the idea of a shortcut it will save a little time. But it also may reduce traffic, because people won't look at other interesting pages in the disambiguation. The gallery is a little cluttered. In any case, I also made made my own version:

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Wreck-Gar have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]], the [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]] Autobot from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].
*[[Wreck-Gar (Prime)|Wreck-Gar]], the Junkion from the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] continuity family.
|header=You look familiar...
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 16:26, 8 November 2017 (EST)
::I dig this one with the double Dinobots; we only need one, and the image is very immediately clear at that small size (well we could probably crop it tighter and brighten it a bit but still). I ABSOLUTELY think we should have this given the name-reassigning/changing that this franchise is nostrils-deep in that makes Disambig pages not terribly ideal for finding these kind of doppelgangers. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:00, 8 November 2017 (EST)

I like this idea of using a template. I've made my own that could be used for bigger charcters, while LiegeDecado's can be used for smaller characters. Just an idea though.
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
|header=All too similar...
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[[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 8 November 2017 (EST)

Personally, I think that if we do this bullet point image, we should use the Crisis on Infinite Hot Rods image from RG1, as it probably best illustrates the concept we're dealing with here (maybe crop it a little bigger or something). It probably wouldn't ''hurt'' to link to the disambiguation at the bottom, either, something like this....

{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Other versions of Bumblebee have appeared in other continuity families, including:
*[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], the yellow [[kid-appeal character]] from [[The Transformers (franchise)|Generation 1]].
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]], the voiceless yellow one-man franchise from the [[live-action film series]].
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], the yellow kid-appeal character from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.
''For more information, see [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)]]''
|header=You look familiar...
|image_name=RG1 93 rodimii.jpg
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I strongly prefer the look of the gallery version. It's a perfect visual cap-off at the bottom of the page, it's attention-getting in a way that neither looks like clutter nor will be overwhelmed by large Notes sections, and it gives you a visual to compare all these different versions, which is information in itself.
The bullet template strikes me as very strange, showing unrelated character X alongside a list of versions of character Y. The images convey the information much more strikingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 01:45, 9 November 2017 (EST)

:Maybe we can do both?
{{Messagebox|
|message_text=Alternate versions of Slug have appeared in other [[continuity family|continuity families]], including:
<gallery widths="100px" heights="150px">
File:Dinobot Hunt Slag.jpg|[[Slag (G1)|"Generation 1" Slag]]
File:TFAnimated Snarl.jpg|[[Snarl (Animated)|''Animated'' Snarl]]
File:FOC-Slugart.jpg|[[Slug (FOC)|''Fall of Cybertron'' Slug]]
File:Adventureart-Slug.jpg|[[Slug (Adventure)|''Adventure'' Slug]]
</gallery>
|header=You look familiar...
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:—[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 10:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::If we did it as a gallery in a template like this, the picture of the Rodimuses is unnecessary and it'd look much better without it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:47, 9 November 2017 (EST)
I still don't see the value doing these things in addition to the disambig pages, instead of improving the disambig pages to better convey the same information. Having both doesn't feel "new reader friendly". Having two different types of disambig for a character, in two different locations, makes it MORE likely a new reader will spot one and not the other, or not understand the difference between the two disambigs without greater study...which just isn't a good set-up to help them find info quickly and easily.
Why can't the disambig page just be renovated to list:
:--> Here's Slag (G1)
:-- --> Here's the characters based on Slag (regardless of name)
:--> Here's the other uses of Slag unrelated to Slag (G1)
And as a matter of aesthetics, I think using the same basic template for this that we use for when people screw up or something is missing is a bad idea too. When I see boxes like that on a page, I automatically think "stub" article, and my instinct is to do something to remove them. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:55, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::The problem with that approach is that it risks making the disambigs ''worse'' at their main job. If you ''are'' looking for Slag the rando nameslap guy, that's just made it a whole lot harder on the person. And since disambigs are geared around names, not characters, you'd end up with weird situations - under your approach, [[Hot Rod (disambiguation)]] and [[Rodimus (disambiguation)]] would basically end up being the same page twice. Disambigs are primarily a functional tool, they exist to act as a signpost to get people from point A to B. I would wager that almost nobody is clicking through to disambig pages from character pages, because that's not really what they're for, and they call no attention to themselves, an easily glossed-over link at the very top of the article. The point of this proposal is to facilitate wiki-walking and exploration, to be a "you might also be interested in" section. We ''could'' change disambigs to lean more in that direction, but that's gonna make disambigs poorer signposts. I just don't see what there is to lose here. Disambigs will still exist as the same name directories they always have. The person who, for some reason, is searching for Classics Mini-Con Thunderwing will still get there. But the person who just read about G1 Thunderwing and wonders if they've been in other continuities doesn't have to manually click through a list every Thunderwing to find out which ones are nameslaps and which ones aren't.
::I do agree that the template approach could do with a newer design to differentiate it from needs work templates though, that's a really good point. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:16, 9 November 2017 (EST)

::I see disambiguations most often when I'm searching for a character, and I usually end up clicking on a lot of links. But that's on purpose, an helps me explore. These menus would be a nice shortcut—it's sort of like narrowing down the dismbiguation to a similar set of characters. the disambigs are great, the template would just be adding on. Also, it may look like less of an error box if it has a white background. —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 13:49, 9 November 2017 (EST)
The more images added to this thing, the uglier and clunkier it looks. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 13:58, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Agreed. I think we should use the Rodimus one Repowers created. You know, the one with just text. It would take up less space, be less intrusive but create a shortcut for users trying to look for another version. [[User:West james|west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 15:29, 9 November 2017 (EST)
::I like that version as well, though with some formatting to ensure that a longer list doesn't wrap around the image (since that looks really ugly). -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 17:20, 9 November 2017 (EST)
:Also, not everyone who'd get one of these yet HAS an image, or one good enough to use. Aligned Wreck-Gar, for example. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:19, 10 November 2017 (EST)

[[User:TheLiegeDecado/Sandbox|I made a sandbox with a template, go ahead and edit it.]] —[[User:TheLiegeDecado|<span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">The </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#0E0;">Liege </span><span style="font-family:georgia;color:#CC00EE;">Decado</span>]] ([[User talk:TheLiegeDecado|talk]]) 17:27, 10 November 2017 (EST)

== Rename User ==

I was thinking about activating this extension since every so often it comes up that someone wants to change their username but can't. Does anyone have any objections? I'll ask in the thread on the AllSpark too, as soon as I can get the AllSpark to actually load (is it broken for anyone else?) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 2 December 2017 (EST)
:It’s been broken for me almost all day (Also, been wanting change my name for a while) [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] ([[User talk:Jcbynum1|talk]]) 00:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
::I'd be all for it; been trying to consolidate my usernames across most fandom-based platforms for a while now. I can't see the harm, especially if it's admin-initiated. [[User:Magaroja|Doc Chloroplast]] ([[User talk:Magaroja|talk]]) 11:03, 5 December 2017 (EST)

Just to clarify in case there's any confusion: the RenameUser extension won't allow users to rename themselves directly - rather they'll need to ask an admin to rename them. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:23, 4 December 2017 (EST)

No reason not to allow this, is there? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 12:52, 7 December 2017 (EST)
:I say go for it. [[User:West james|-west james/notirishman]] ([[User talk:West james|talk]]) 17:22, 7 December 2017 (EST)
::I've just renamed Notirishman to test it and it looks like it worked perfectly, so thumbs up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:14, 8 December 2017 (EST)

== Allspark Forums down ==
PSA to all interested: Alas, the Allspark's server is currently down and our server company doesn't do standard maintenance on weekends. You can try [http://temp.allspark.com/index.php?showtopic=2455 this temporary site] in the interim and check back on Monday to see if the site is back up. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:35, 3 December 2017 (EST)

== Is this the holy grail for Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy? ==

I have found this on TF RAW page:

[http://tfraw.blogspot.mx/p/mystery-of-convoy.html Famicom How to Manga: Transformers Mystery of Convoy at TF RAW]

Is this one of the items in the holy grail section?

[[User:EDDIE-X|EDDIE-X]] ([[User talk:EDDIE-X|talk]]) 20:29, 28 December 2017 (EST)

== Samoa Joe ==

Hi! I'd like to start a page for Samoa Joe (Nuufolau Joel Seanoa, voice of ''Power of the Primes'' Predaking, but I don't have clearance to do so. How can I get this clearance?