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User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:47:50Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, nor was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny made an assumption Hetalia (saying that it is based off of ww2 which it isn't) and I just added that that it isn't just the axis nor is it focused on them despite the name, its a comedic historical allegory set throughout time featuring various countries (not just ww2, the american revolution also makes an appearance and even the Holy Roman Empire). When I posted that screenshot it was after having done my research into it, as I too was worried about the title--do not think I ignored that. It would do well for research to be done on it before it is brought up as evidence of any sort.

In regards to dm another user about Shiny is that Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is due to all the times they have ever spoken to me, even outside of moderation. I had no reason to believe Shiny would bother to listen to me. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad any more, I merely brought it up for context on our interaction. After all I did say "The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess" and that is true, I haven't had any conflict with any other mod or user.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:46:44Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, nor was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny made an assumption Hetalia (saying that it is based off of ww2 which it isn't) and I just added that that it isn't just the axis nor is it focused on them despite the name, its a comedic historical allegory set throughout time featuring various countries (not just ww2, the american revolution also makes an appearance and even the Holy Roman Empire). It would do well for research to be done on it before it is brought up as evidence of any sort.

In regards to dm another user about Shiny is that Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is due to all the times they have ever spoken to me, even outside of moderation. I had no reason to believe Shiny would bother to listen to me. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad any more, I merely brought it up for context on our interaction. After all I did say "The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess" and that is true, I haven't had any conflict with any other mod or user.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:46:04Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, nor was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny made an assumption Hetalia (saying that it is based off of ww2 which it isn't) and I just added that that it isn't just the axis nor is it focused on them despite the name, its a comedic allegory set throughout time featuring various countries (not just ww2, the american revolution also makes an appearance and even the Holy Roman Empire). It would do well for research to be done on it before it is brought up as evidence of any sort.

In regards to dm another user about Shiny is that Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is due to all the times they have ever spoken to me, even outside of moderation. I had no reason to believe Shiny would bother to listen to me. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad any more, I merely brought it up for context on our interaction. After all I did say "The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess" and that is true, I haven't had any conflict with any other mod or user.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:37:11Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, nor was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is due to all the times they have ever spoken to me, even outside of moderation. I had no reason to believe Shiny would bother to listen to me. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad any more, I merely brought it up for context on our interaction. After all I did say "The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess" and that is true, I haven't had any conflict with any other mod or user.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:36:02Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, not was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is in response to all the times they have ever spoken to me, modding or otherwise. I had no reason to believe Shiny wouldn't bother to listen. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad any more, I merely brought it up for context on our interaction. After all I did say "The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess" and that is true, I haven't had any conflict with any other mod or user.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:35:28Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, not was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is in response to all the times they have ever spoken to me, modding or otherwise. I had no reason to believe Shiny wouldn't bother to listen. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad any more, I merely brought it up for context on out interaction. After all I did say "The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess" and that is true, I haven't had any conflict with any other mod or user.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:33:07Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, not was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to someone is in response to all the times they have ever spoken to me, modding or otherwise. I didn't believe they wouldn't bother to listen to what I had to say. I was only asking for advice, I wasn't complaining about Shiny.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:31:58Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, not was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity. The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to al the times they have ever spoken to me, modding or otherwise. I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:30:55Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, not was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust, based on how they have been helpful in the past, to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity.

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:30:10Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining to Shiny about Hetalia, not was I complaining to another mod about Shiny. Shiny has scared me in the past by being very aggressive and this seemed like just another aggressive moment, not a modding. So I was asking for advice, the mod I talked to was someone I thought I could trust to give me advice on how to deal with someone being aggressive. Neither users mod status mattered to me nor did it factor in any capacity.

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:17:15Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were extremally aggressive. Yes I was overly defensive, however extreme defensiveness came in response to extreme aggression. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:15:02Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were very aggressive. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:12:30Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me.

I repeat, it had little to do with that they were a mod, it was that I saw them as someone I could trust when confronted with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were very aggressive. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it to be a peaceful talk.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:12:01Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me.

I repeat, it had little to do with that they were a mod, it was that I saw them as someone I could trust when confronted with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were very aggressive. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it not being a aggressive guilty and never innocent.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:11:54Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me.

I repeat, it had little to do with that they were a mod, it was that I saw them as someone I could trust when confronted with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who were very agressive. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it not being a aggressive guilty and never innocent.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:11:37Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me.

I repeat, it had little to do with that they were a mod, it was that I saw them as someone I could trust when confronted with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

I do not have contempt for being moderated. Its just so happened that the only times it has happened it was by two people who scared me. I do not mind being moderated, I just prefer it not being a aggressive guilty and never innocent.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:08:54Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me.

I repeat, it had little to do with that they were a mod, it was that I saw them as someone I could trust when confronted with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-14T18:08:25Z

Trousle:

Hello I was recently banned from the Discord and I want to inquire as to the reasons as to why. I assume it has something to do with the show I was discussing and I want to preface that I DO NOT agree with the motivations surrounding Season 1 and 2 of Hetalia nor do I agree with the characters. I wasn't defending the show, I really thought I was just discussing it. I was going to leave it at that, when Cooone asked they didn't want to know more, I was going to stop, I was going to respect their space and that they were uncomfortable with that topic. I just assumed it was okay to talk about cause it's a comedy of historical figures (in Hetalia's case countries) in the way clone high is, which the server has brought up many times before.

I know that I can easily misunderstand intentions-reading emotions isn't my strong suit-but I would never attack someone based on their belief, color, belief, ect. The only people I have ever had conflicts with were the mods Shiny and Sam, and possibly Cooone and Jess (I don't know how they felt, just that they didn't like the topic). None were my intention, I never meant to start problems, I just didn't know certain things and when the Shiny and Sam responded to those things-I read it as aggressive, especially when I tried to move mine and Shiny's conversation away from others so as to not bother them but Shiney only said I was prissey for dm'ing them, even if they didn't mean to be aggressive I still don't know as it was never brought up again, and I reacted in a poor manner.

I already mentioned my interaction with Shiny above but for context on the conversations with Sam it was
>I posted a screenshot of Batman brave and the bold with an alternate version of lol
>Sam asks what it means
>I say it means lol
>A few other peoples say it means lol
>A few seconds later he gets aggressive and calls me something but I don't remember, and says it was taken over by racist, which I had no idea about
>I apologized, cause I truly didn't know
>Sam ask where I learned that
>I say memes, like gaming memes ie the community it originally popped up in where it meant "lol"
>Sam says i'm either an idiot or a channer.
>I ask what a channer is
>He keeps pressing the matter
>Someone comes to my defense "I don't believe it was malicious"
>Sam snapps at them "I didn't ask you".
The logs are still there, you can find it with From:sam I didn't ask you

I would like to join back in as I love talking about transformers, with the other users (mods or otherwise). At least let there be a discussion amongst mods as it felt to fast for there to have been a talk, a ban is after all a big thing and I could have been muted and have it be discussed amongst a group of mods and not let the decision rest on one person. I really respect the tfwiki for all its done, as an amazing collection of knowledge on the transformers world. And it distresses me that something I respect so greatly hates me. I truly am sorry if I hurt someone, I miss read the situation.

I'm sorry. Please apologize to Cooone and Jess on my behalf if you can't believe that I didn't mean any harm and can't let me into the discord-please let everyone know I'm sorry.
: Sorry, but over your time in the server you consistently responded to any and all moderation with extreme defensiveness, and whenever a staff member gave you any form of warning you went and complained to another moderator about them being mean to you - as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes now! You were ultimately banned because you decided to complain to a mod about Shiny doing nothing more than pointing out how distasteful the manga "Axis Powers Hetalia" - a name that should give anybody with a normal moral compass pause! - was, and deleting the art of it that you posted. You have shown nothing but contempt for the idea of moderating your behaviour as part of a shared space and so we will not be allowing you to rejoin the Discord server. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 22:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I wasn't complaining about the moderation, I was complaining on how it was done. Surely you can see a mod snapping at another person not part of the thing being modded is a little much yes? It is one thing if it was just focused on me.

The reason I brought up Shiny to another mod is in response to the last time they modded me, which included deleting something they could have just asked me to remove myself or edit, and as mentioned, when I tried to be peaceful with Shiny in dms so as to not bother others, they called me a whiner for not wanting to bother others. Furthermore I wasn't mad at them complaining about Hetlaia, I was worried about how aggressive they were being as they deleted and cussed unnecessarily which only reminded me the last time Shiny modded they did the aforementioned "whiner" comment--the post that they deleted didn't matter to me it was that they did an action that only served to remeind me the time they scared me. Plus, based on how they generally act I didn't believe they would bother to listen to what I had to say.

I repeat, it had little to do with the modding or that they were a mod, it was that I didn't trust Shiny as all interactions with them told me that I couldn't trust them.

The mod I spoke to was helpful to me in the past and so I went to someone, their mod status not important, I thought I could trust to help advice me on how to deal with someone that frightened me.

I repeat, it had little to do with that they were a mod, it was that I saw them as someone I could trust when confronted with someone that frightened me. I was not complaining, I was asking for advice.

Also, how is it "as demonstrated by how you're bringing back these old gripes"? That I do not understand. I am not mad at them any longer, I merely brought them up because I am worried. Sam made an assumption of my person and would not believe my apology nor would he believe that it was possible for me to not know. And I am worried that such a thing will repeat on another innocent.

User talk:Trousle

2023-05-13T23:25:14Z

Trousle:

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2023-05-13T23:20:07Z

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2023-05-13T21:48:59Z

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2023-05-13T21:47:11Z

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2023-05-13T21:42:04Z

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2023-05-13T21:38:45Z

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2023-05-13T21:35:16Z

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2023-05-13T21:34:36Z

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2023-05-13T21:30:59Z

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2023-05-13T21:29:14Z

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2023-05-13T21:28:17Z

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2023-05-13T21:27:42Z

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2023-05-13T21:27:28Z

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2023-05-13T21:23:42Z

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2023-05-13T21:20:36Z

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2023-05-13T21:19:31Z

Trousle: Ban appeal.