2008-04-23T01:18:05Z

Tyciol:

:''Sari Sumdac is a [[human]] from the [[Transformers Animated]] [[franchise]].''

[[Image:Sari_Animated.JPG|right|thumb|150px|[[Isaac Sumdac|Daddies]], don't let your babies grow up to be [[Kiss Players]].]]

'''Sari Sumdac''', the adopted daughter of robotics genius [[Isaac Sumdac]], doesn't get out much. She spends all her time within her father's laboratories, receiving her education from [[Tutor Bot|robots]]. Despite this, she doesn't seem like a shut-in. She's curious, excitable, adventurous, and knows that crying can sometimes get her what she wants. She just doesn't know what it's like to be around other kids. Fortunately, she has [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]] to help with that, and she claims that Bee is the best friend she's ever had. In fact, she's become very possessive of all her robotic friends.

The [[Sari Sumdac's key|key]] around her neck has miraculous powers from the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]], but her guardian, the robotic dog [[Sparkplug (Animated)|Sparkplug]], thinks it's just another chew toy.

==Fiction==
===Transformers: Animated===
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:''Voice actor:'' [[Tara Strong]] (English), [[Tanja Schmitz]] (German)
[[Image:SariLayingDown1.jpg|left|300px|thumb|[[Yūki Ōshima]] is drooling as we speak.]]

When her pet robot dog, Sparkplug, stole her security key card, Sari chased it outside and was confronted by [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] and [[Bulkhead (Animated)|Bulkhead]], who spoke to her as if she were Sparkplug's pet. Naturally, she freaked out, but quickly befriended Bumblebee once he saved her from a giant bug that had grown from her father's nanite experiment gone awry. Stowing away on Bumblebee and coming aboard the ''[[Ark (Animated)|Ark]]'', she came across the [[AllSpark (Animated)|AllSpark]], which infused part of its power into her security key. This allowed her to heal [[Transformer]]s, such as the injured [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]], earning her brownie points with the 'Bots. She also managed to talk the police down from shooting the Autobots, saying they were friendly (except [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]], who was grumpy, but not evil). Sari later helped teach the Autobots about [[Earth]] and [[human]]s, explaining their method reproduction to a ''very'' startled [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]].

[[Image:Sariprime.jpg|right|thumb|150px|Prime was never the same after this.]]

During the unveiling of her father's new transit system, [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] arrived and attacked. Bumblebee took a shot meant for Sari, allowing Starscream to capture him, Professor Sumdac, the Mayor, and [[Captain Fanzone]]. Sari came up with the idea to distract Starscream while she and Prowl rescued the others (even faking some tears to make it happen). Her key later saved Optimus Prime's life when she used it to revive his [[spark]]. {{storylink|Transform and Roll Out!}}

Sari would go on to be Bumblebee's usual partner in crime, encouraging him to engage in such questionable activities as high-profile wrestling matches {{storylink|Total Meltdown}} and installing rocket boosters to make him go faster. {{storylink|Nanosec (episode)|Nanosec}} Sari likely hangs out with Bumblebee because she knows she can scare the holy be[[primus]] out of him. {{storylink|Along Came a Spider}}

[[Image:Saricostume.jpg|left|thumb|100px|Trivia: Transformers [[Generation 1|used to]] look like this.]]

On Sari's eighth birthday, the only other kids who turned up were the children of her dad's employees. None of them really wanted to be there and soon focused their attention on the Autobots. Sari was left alone and shunned along with Bulkhead, both morose that the kids didn't like them. Her father's present, a music robot called [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]], cheered her up, and she soon began neglecting her friendship with Bulkhead in favour of her new toy. Repeated uses of her AllSpark Key turned Soundwave into a malevolent, sentient being who tried to enslave Humanity, and she learnt she'd been wrong to ignore her friend. {{storylink|Sound and Fury}}

When the [[Decepticon]]s [[Blitzwing (Animated)|Blitzwing]] and [[Lugnut]] arrived on Earth, the two Decepticons manhandled the Autobots. Although they survived, it made apparent the fact that more would come looking for the AllSpark, so the Autobots decided to repair the ''Ark'' and leave Earth. Sari's reaction to this was displeasure (in the form of a high pitch shout of NO!). However, they needed Sari's key to assist Ratchet in repairing the ship. Sari was unwilling to help them leave, nor was she pleased to work with a grouch like Ratchet (who was not that keen on working with a [[protoform]]), but they managed to get her to the ship. While alone with the AllSpark, Sari decided to try and sabotage the ship, thereby keeping the Autobots on Earth (and dooming her species to enslavement and/or extinction) but the key repaired the damage. After that, the AllSpark showed her an image of [[Megatron (Animated)|a giant Transformer]]. In her panic, Sari opened the air lock, nearly drowning, but Ratchet saved her. Ratchet then explained that they were leaving because they couldn't risk anything happening to Earth or her. Swayed by his compassion, Sari used her key to reactivate the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s decommissioned weapons, reducing Blitzwing and Lugnut to pieces. {{storylink|Lost and Found (Animated episode)|Lost and Found}}

Eventually, [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] decided that the AllSpark key was no longer safe in Sari's hands, and he ordered Ratchet to take it from her. Distraught, Sari ran off crying, only to be captured later by [[Blackarachnia (Animated)|Blackarachnia]], who was looking for the key herself. Sari basically told her "too little, too late," and the two seemed to have a heart-to-heart about their gripes with the Autobots. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 1}}

While Sari was actually misleading Blackarachnia in circles around the frozen Lake Erie, she was grabbed by Ratchet as he brought the ''Ark'' out of the lake. She was ticked that Ratchet had lost her key and that her dad had helped rebuild [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]], but the blame game ceased after the ship crashed on [[Dinobot Island (Animated)|Dinobot Island]]. Prime told the Sumdacs to stay with the ship while they went to fight off Megatron. Fearing that they might die, Isaac Sumdac said that there was something that he needed to tell Sari, but she was more interested in finding something else the AllSpark could charge. The AllSpark refused to respond, other than cryptically displaying an image of a DNA strand. Suddenly, Megatron and Prime burst through the hull of the ''Ark'', and during their fight, the key once again fell into her hands. Sari tossed it to Optimus Prime, who used the key destroy the AllSpark and disperse its energy. Acknowledging that he had been wrong in taking from her, Optimus Prime gave the key back to Sari, saying that as the most powerful Cybertronian artifact on Earth, it was too important to be left in the hands of an Autobot.

Unfortunately, all was not well, for Sari could not find her dad...as he was now a prisoner of Megatron. {{storylink|Megatron Rising - Part 2}}

[[Image:dramatic change in plot.jpg|right|180px|thumb|The tide has turned!]]
After her father's disappearance, Sari took over running [[Sumdac Systems]]. Board chairman [[Porter C. Powell]] opposed her, saying that she was too young and wasting company resources searching for her father. When the [[Cybertron Elite Guard]] arrived, Sari was cut off from the Autobots and her only source of emotional support. She soon needed them, as police drones coming out of a Sumdac assembly line began to malfunction, and Powell was unwilling to do anything about it. Sneaking aboard the [[Elite Guard ship]], Sari put the fear of [[Primus|god]] into [[Jazz (Animated)|Jazz]] before Bulkhead explained that Sari was okay (and Bumblebee explained that [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|Sentinel Prime]] was a jerk). With Optimus, Prowl, and Jazz's help, Sari managed to get into the plant's assembly line and shut down the systems. When she returned home, she found that she had been locked out of her office, as Powell was now CEO and Chairman of Sumdac Systems. Insisting that it was still her company, Sari was shocked when Powell revealed that she had no birth certificate, no adoption papers, and no social security number. Powell's smug revelation made Sari realize that not only was there no proof that she was Sumdac's daughter, there was no legal proof she even existed. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}}

{{spoiler|The Return of the Headmaster}}

After that, Powell kicked Sari out of Sumdac Tower, took Tutor Bot and Sparkplug, and gave her room to [[Headmaster (Animated)|Henry Masterson]] as an office. With no where to go, she went to Autobot HQ. Bumblebee and Bulkhead tried their best to cheer her up, such as loud music, offering food, and trying to give her a teaching lesson. All they did was make things worse. Eventually, Prowl put the two bots in their place and told them to ''listen'' to her. Sari opened up about all her frustrations, such her missing father, being kicked out of her home, her fear of Powell ruining her father's company, and the fact that there was no record of her existence. Bumblebee promised that they were there for her, no matter what, and Sari finally started to feel a little better. {{storylink|The Return of the Headmaster}}

==Trivia==
*See that picture of Sari up top? She's got different boots in-show. Her key is different, too.
*Unused animation from an early version of the opening credits showed Sari riding a tricycle that transformed into a jetpack. This device has not yet actually appeared in the series.

==Sari and fans==
*Fan reaction to Sari has been mixed{{m-}}some fans hate her, quite a few love her, and some are neutral. Considering the widespread vitriol heaped upon previous child characters in Transformers shows (e.g., [[Kicker]]), that means she's come off reasonably well.

*In contrast, her ''deus ex machina'' AllSpark key was initially less popular. However, later episodes in the first season showed it to have potentially disastrous effects when used frivolously (e.g., [[Soundwave (Animated)|Soundwave]]), and hopefully, she will cease using it as the cure for all ills.

*Since virtually the premiere of the show, fans have been speculating whether there is "more than meets the eye" to Sari. Some theorize she could turn out to be a robot, though past events on the show have clearly marked her as at least ''partially'' organic (e.g., she deteriorates by anti-organic radiation in "[[Along Came a Spider]]", catches a cold in "[[Nature Calls]]", and sets off the Elite Guard ship's organic contamination alert in "[[The Elite Guard]]" ). There is definitely ''something'' mysterious going on, though, as hinted by voice actor Tara Strong, who said in an interview that Sari's "entire identity might come as a surprise." In "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]", Isaac, believing they were both about to die, attempts to tell Sari "something important", only to have her run off before he can continue. Sari then asks the AllSpark why it chose to empower her in the first place, and its "answer" is to project a DNA strand surrounding a [[spark|blue, glowing orb]]. In the following episode, "[[The Elite Guard]]", we find out that there is no legal documentation of Sari's existence, not even adoption papers, despite Sari's official character profile on the [[Hasbro]] website saying she is adopted. Though there is obviously much yet to be divulged, the implication is that there is something strange and unique about Sari.
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==External links==
*[http://www.tarastrong.com/ Tara Strong's Website confirming her role in Transformers]

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Talk:Sari Sumdac (Animated)

2008-04-23T01:17:35Z

Tyciol:

==Meta-category==
'Tentative' meta-category? (So that one can periodically go through it and clear things out?) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:56, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Sandals and such==
I'm debating undoing the "not a Kiss Player" addition, but can't quite justify it based on the general humor tone of the rest of the wiki, so I'll leave it to someone else. I'm also tempted to change the picture caption, as I'm pretty sure those aren't sandals. (The dark orange parts of the feet appear to be the shoe uppers, rather than a differently colored part of her socks.) However, that just seems ridiculously picky somehow. If anyone else has a good idea about this, feel free to implement it, I guess.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 16:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

I bet she is a robot thats why she has somehow managed to gain a connection to the All-Spark and also not be completly hated by the fandom yet [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

==Adopted?==
I'm curious... what's the source for Sari being adopted? [[User:CarrerCrytharis|CarrerCrytharis]] 06:46, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think it was her official bio. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 06:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
::In the promo material that Unicron.com received, Sari's bio stated that she's adopted. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 07:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

==Well-liked character?==
I'd really like to debate that she's "well-liked" so far - I personally hate her, the person I watch the show with hates her, and every Transformers fan I talk to hates her. So unless we're of a gross minority, I think it's safe to say her appeal is not universal. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 09:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I don't hate her, therefore every fan doesn't hate her. You should try asking outside your social circle--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 13:21, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::By no means was I trying to say that every fan hates her! I'm just personally annoyed by her being defined as a well-liked character when all of my fellow TF fans - including myself - hold no love for her. And erm, I HAVE been asking outside my "social circle" and so far it's been nothing but "she's annoying" and "neutral." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::My own social circle also seems to find her rather amusing, so no hate from me or mine.[[User:Pacce|Pacce]] 13:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:Thus far, I kinda like her. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:02, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:I certainly prefer her than most of the UT kids (certainly anything is better than Kicker). -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 16:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:She has a fairly unique interaction with the Autobots compared to past humans. She and Bumblebee make decent partners in crime, so I can see how this would appeal to kids.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 16:33, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
: I personally like how she's the first girl in an American-made series to be '''the''' major human character, and she's a lot less annoying than any Witwiky, IMO. --[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 16:48, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::Tara Strong is awesome. That is all. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:04, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::This is true. Good writing + awesome voice actress = character that doesn't annoy me.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 17:17, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
::::See, I love Tara Strong to death, but that doesn't make me automatically love all the characters she plays. The writing is decent (slightly above G1 level writing but not as good as, say, Avatar: The Last Airbender), but I find Sari's character to be little more than Generic Perky Girl with her Deus Ex Machina Key. I enjoyed Spike as a character more because he really WAS just a human, no "omg sekrit POWARZ" to make him more "interesting." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:30, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::Spike didn't have powers? The guy and his entire family probably have an allergy to Kryptonite, and then there's the Headmaster thing. Also, calling ''Animated'''s writing slightly better than G1 gives the G1 cartoon ''way'' to much credit.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 00:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, Spike and the other Witwickys have 80s Cartoon Disease - just look at the other Hasbro show from the same time period, GI Joe. They were all "human" in the same way. But Spike never whipped out his wallet and used it to revive Optimus Prime. And frankly, I find a lot of the plot devices in TF:CHINS just as laughable as G1, only now with uglier art and more obnoxious humans. In fact, that's WHY I find it watchable - the writing is so similar to G1's lulzy improbability that I enjoy it immensely, or at least enough to ignore the terrible art. Anyway, I'm running speedily away from my point. That is, I and every other TF fan I've talked to absolutely despise Sari. Calling her "well liked, more so than usual" on her Wiki page Does Not Compute for me. It's fine to call her a "generally liked character" or even just "a popular human character," but using the turn of phrase that's there now makes it seem like every TF fan everywhere absolutely adores her.

::::::Hell, at this point I'd even take Kicker. At least his art style doesn't hurt my eyes. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 01:25, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Geez, give the art style a break already! People bitching about the art style reminds me of when [[wikipedia: The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|Zelda: Windwaker]] first came out for the Gamecube. People dismissed the game as "kiddie" just because of the cell-shading style, but it was actually a very enjoyable game, just as challenging as any other in the Zelda series. Actually, Sari reminds me very much of Tetra in that game.

:::::::Just give it a chance. I actually prefer the stylized art over the overly-detailed 80's comic look of G1. Plus, is Sari having her key really all that different than how the All Spark was used in the [[Transformers (2007)|Movie]]? Both are miraculous objects that completely ignore all known laws of physics and can bring robots to life/fix said robots in about 3 seconds flat. At least in a cartoon that's somewhat more acceptable.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 01:35, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I've been giving it as much of a chance as I can. And no, sorry - Wind Waker at least had a consistent art style (which I happen to like). TF:CHINS is all over the place, and I have screencaps of Sari LOOKING COOL. Er, that is to say, looking so poorly drawn that it's laughable. I mean, I mostly like TF:CHINS, I really do. And the "but the movie did it!" excuse doesn't quite fly in this case, because the movie at least had the excuse of being directed by Michael Bay. Oh, and the movie didn't use it EVERY HALF HOUR. 'OHAI, it's a new episode, time for Sari to use her damn key for a totally random reason that in no way correlates to the way she used it last episode.' ANYWAY, POINT STILL BEING: I don't like her! She is annoying. All others that I have spoken to share this opinion. It is not reasonable to DEFINE her as "well liked, more so than usual." [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::On this page, you are the only voice against. If some more people speak up here with a negative opinion of her (preferably, people who are regular editors on this wiki), we'll most likely change the page. [[User:JW|JW]] 03:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, that's frustrating. The only TF fans that count are the ones that edit this Wiki? Lamesauce. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 05:34, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::No, but we're confident that fans who have contributed to this wiki aren't cranks shoutign their opinions at the top of their lungs and claiming everyone else agrees with them. The sort of person that might, say, show up on the wiki and make no edits except one declaring that the entire fandom agrees with him, and then (upon discovering that many peopel ehre do not) accuse the regulars here of being out of step with transfandom.
:::::::::::I'm not accusing you of this- the problem is that the vrank imposing his opinion on others and someone like yourself- actually (presumably) ''exressing'' the opinion of the majority-- are functionally impossible to distinguish in terms of behavior- they both show up out of the blue ont he wiki and make the same edits and have the same argument. So we have to say "Gee, if ''everyone'' thinks this, do most of us think this?" And if the answer's no, we'll usually revert sweeping statements. It's possible that we might be ''wrong'' and actually are out of step with transfandom... but it's the best system we have to guard against minority bias. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::If you're not accusing me of this, why would you bring it up at all? I never implied that I was expressing the opinion of any majority anywhere, merely another facet of TF fandom. Please, feel free to re-read my comments. I want her popularity to be downplayed a little because I feel that it's unjustifiably overblown in the article. Also note that I have made no edits at all for good reason; I would much rather talk about this and hope a more experienced editor can see reason and accommodate both views. I hardly think me signing up for the wiki to pop onto the talk page and debate a single line in the "Notes" section of one character qualifies me as an OMG SABOTEUR. (That's Jazz. lulz.) I'm actually trying to be as least troll-like as possible here, but it's hard when I'm surrounded by people who are obviously huge fans of the character. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Well we can't very well quantify "all others you have spoken to," no?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 05:56, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Has anyone actually quantified the "reasonably well-liked" comment, either? The fandom is rather sprawled these days, across multiple forums, so I would assume that there's probably no shortage of negative opinion about Sari out there. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:02, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I'd quantify it as "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's my opinion of Sari- she's okay-- and as kid-avatar character go she's astonishingly ''non''-annoying. So 'reasonably well liked.'-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I feel justified in discounting the opinion of anyone who consistently refers to Animated as "TF:CHINS." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::So because I use a comical nickname for the show, I'm automatically discounted? Wow. I guess I've been incredibly lucky, avoiding this elitist branch of TF-fandom thus far. It looks like Michael is the only one here who is even willing to consider that there are TF fans that dislike this character. I'm a long-time lurker here and love the wiki, but this is just terrible. I'm not asking for her page to say EVERYONE HATES SARI, SHE SUCKS - I'm just asking that it not read like we all fall over at her feet. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 06:50, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::But people who refer to Hillary Clinton by derisive nicknames in the course of conversation about her can reasonably be construed to have a negative bias against her. Thus casting doubt on your unbiased observation that everyone hates Sari.
:::::::::::::::Besides, you probably only hate her because she's a Paki. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::LOLWHUT? I hate her for the reasons previously stated. Her race is a non-issue for me. And I really don't consider TF:CHINS to be a 'derisive' nickname, I consider it amusing and fitting for the CHIN-CENTRIC art. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 08:00, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Derik was only kidding about the race thing. I think. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Leaving aside the question of why the opinion of a person who dislikes Animated's art style and uses a silly nickname while expressing said dislike should be automatically discounted, what I was trying to get at was this: How was the "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual" conclusion arrived at in the first place? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:22, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::The "arglebarglebargleonlyrobotsoncybertron" folks have been conspicuously well-behaved of late.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 06:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. So lets go back to the UT kids: Carlos with his racial stereotypes, Bud with his inability to stay focused on anything for more than two seconds, and Kicker, who was ''physically abusive toward the Autobots''. Sure, those are the types of characters that I want representing my species. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 02:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Don't forget Fred's inability to go five minutes without junk food. Also, Chip Chase is superhuman. The man is immune to acid rain that brought Autobots to their knees and can tear an 5¼" floppy disc in hald with his bear hands.--[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 02:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't forget that if this show was Japanese, Sari would be making out with Bumblebee on a regular basis and the point of view would be consistently at a below-skirt level. Personally, I love Sari. Best human character in a TF series, as far as I'm concerned. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Tyring to stay a bit on point here: The line "Sari has been reasonably well liked, more so then usual."

Now from what I've seen, it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character. The general reaction to the character I've observed doesn't seem like anything particularly worth noting in her article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 08:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
:How about we modify it to say that she is one of the few human characters who have not caused a section of the Transformers fandom to declare holy war upon the human race in the Transformers fiction? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::Has ''anyone'' here besides [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] voiced an opinion that contradicts "reasonably well liked, more so than usual"? If people don't like her deus ex machina key, that might make a valid separate point, but that's separate from liking her herself. [[User:JW|JW]] 14:32, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think that not even Combobreaker has voiced an opinion contrary to the statement. He doesn't like her, and the people he's talked to (before coming here) don't like her. That doesn't make the statement inaccurate, because it is describing a generalized opinion of hundreds of active fans. Apparently all the editors paying attention to this page feel that in ''their'' observations of other fans, Sari seems to have been better received than most humans. The phrasing "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" doesn't even remotely mean "all the fans think she's great". It means exactly what it says -- she is liked more than most human characters, ie. the majority of the fandom does not despise her. As a rule of thumb, Transformers fans (treated as a homogeneous group) hate human sidekicks. There are certainly pockets of the fandom that hate Sari. But she is, on average, *not* hated. That is definitely worthy of note. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 15:52, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, but where are we pulling this "on average?" It can't be reasonably quantified any more than my own personal experiences with TF fans. That is all I have been trying to get across here. There's no link to any outside polls, discussions, or articles that talk about how popular she is with fans. I find the "well liked, more so than usual" statement to be a little too all-encompassing for my tastes. How about we just say she's "generally popular" or "mostly liked" instead? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 02:42, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::8 or nine people in this discussion disagree with you, and none agree. I'd call Sari pretty well liked unless the 8 or 9 of us are secretly the same guy. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 03:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::GAH, again with using this wiki's talk page to justify what's on the wiki! Oh god, the wikiality is suffocating me. Look, in wikis, you are supposed to cite references. Just because the people that hang out on a character's talk page are ga-ga over said character does NOT mean that the rest of the fandom shares the same opinion. I AM NOT TRYING TO MOVE MOUNTAINS HERE. Please re-read my comment. I want her to just be noted as being "generally popular" or "mostly liked!" How horrible of me! I'm corrupting the TF fandom! Jeez. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 03:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Dude, you're not kidding when you say you're skilled at stirring up drama! As much as I do appreciate Sari as a character, you've made it QUITE clear that not everone shares that opinion. Maybe something along the lines of "mostly well-liked" would be a reasonable alternative, if everyone else agrees.--[[User:Nightshade83|Nightshade83]] 03:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, what's really crazy is I'm not even TRYING to stir up drama. At this point I'm convinced that almost everyone here is completely unwilling to acknowledge differing opinions in fandom - I really like your compromise and think that it would fit the real-world reception of her character. (After all, others aside from me have noted in these comments that she is not universally liked!) However, it just seems like most people responding to me are overly hostile because I'm new and have a different opinion. I'm getting called names for wanting a wiki article to be slightly edited? WTF? [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I say leave it the way it is. We shouldn't change the entry just because one loudmouth says we should. Combobreaker, you say we aren't showing any polls or articles saying she is well liked. Well... can you show us any polls or articles saying that she ISN'T well liked? [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 05:54, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, point missed. The way she's referred to in this article makes it seem as though every TF fan everywhere loves her. They don't, and people other than me have said as much on this talk page. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::We're also supposed to find consensus. We think we ''have''. If you want to argue our consensus is not representative maybe ''you'' should be citing references to support ''your'' point. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:09, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I am so frustrated by this sort of attitude on any wiki. Just because you are the majority here does not make you the majority everywhere else. I am here representing a differing opinion, which, as NEITHER are easily citable I think BOTH are equally valid. Your personal experience dictates that Sari is popular. Fine, that's awesome. My own personal experience - maybe because I talk almost exclusively to G1 fans - says that she's despised. In this situation I think it's perfectly reasonable to just turn the love on her wiki down a notch, because right now it's going to 11. I'd like to at least see it backed off to an 8. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::You offer no evidence for your position other than anecdotes.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 14:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Same for the statement that currently stands. Just asking it to be toned down a bit. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::Do you really think that "reasonably well liked, more so than usual" is an 11?
::::::::::Have you considered taking a break from this discussion (which, after all, does not need to be decided today), and [[Special:Contributions/Combobreaker|spending some time contributing elsewhere in the wiki]]? I'm sure you have a great deal to offer toward making this wiki a better and more informative document, so you shouldn't let this one trivia point occupy all your time. [[User:JW|JW]] 10:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)
::::::::::: Please read the comments on this page from other people. KilMichaelMcC has said "it seems like some people like her, others dislike her (or just her Key-powers), and others seem fairly neutral about the character" and Derik says she is "is tolerated/considered mildly amusing." That's less general than what is there now.
:::::::::::Oh, and do me a favor and Google "Sari Sumdac" and tell me what the first result says about her. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::PS: I really want to contribute to this wiki, but believe it or not, I thought I'd start with something small. I had no idea I'd start such a mess just by wanting a character's unquantified popularity slightly edited. That's why I stuck to the talk page instead of editing it myself - didn't want to just jump into editing the wiki itself and piss people off. Somehow managed to do that anyway, but... oh well. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:26, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Don't worry too much about it, dude. Contributions will be judged on their own merits. This issue seems to have been solved to your satisfaction with Repowers'a edit; I don't think anyone will object to you continuing to contribute. If they do, they'll let you know what and why at the time. /:) --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 20:35, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
I am still uncertain that fandom reaction to Sari is particularly noteworthy at all. Is it really any different from, say, the reaction to the Cybertron kids? --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 06:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:I think I love you, man, you have been nothing but reasonable and moderate here. I would comment here but I never got into Cybertron, so I'm a little sketchy on the human characters. Suffice it to say that I think trying to define a new character as being universally liked in the Transformers fandom is quite a feat. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 07:50, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
::It does NOT say that she is universally well liked by ANY stretch of the imagination! It says she is "reasonably well-liked, more so than usual," basically meaning that many fans like her BETTER than most other human characters, not that we think she's the mesiah or something. [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 08:51, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Repowers's edit==
Well done, Repowers. I can comfortably live with that. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:16, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
:Awesome, that's all I wanted. I'm happy now, and reasonably amused that I managed to somehow spawn a talk thread that ended up longer than the article itself. [[User:Combobreaker|Combobreaker]] 20:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

==Not human?==
That's a whoooole big block of text discussing what is pretty much entirely fanwank. Do we really need this?--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Hmn, it is a bit overlong, actually. Still, I think ''something'' from it needs noting, because Tara Strong's interview and the events of "Megatron Rising" make it clear that there's ''SOMETHING'' unusual about Sari. We could just chop back on the random theories as to what she is, which are all fan-cooked-up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 18:37, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::That's a reason I put in the whole "counterpoints" thing. Reminding them that canon is against them, so stop the fanwanking. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 18:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::3 months ago I guessed Sari was a robot and posted it in this discussion article if this turns out to be true I totally called it. [[User:Bobtherandomguy|Bobtherandomguy]] 00:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

==Things that don't exist==
Seeing how she, legally, doesn't exist, should she get added to that category? Or is that reserved for things that um...in-fictionally-actually? don't exist?[[User:Omnibus|Omnibus]] 21:44, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:It can all be answered with one question: does she think? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 22:02, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm... Not sure if that question can be answered.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 22:09, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::We should blank this whole article. There is no information on a 'Sari Sumdac'. (Maybe write that up at the very top and then require page-ing down like 5 times to get at the content, as Chip suggested). --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried it to see what it would look like, and I think it works. I imagine we'll change it back if her legal status changes later on. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:17, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
::::So... are we using the joke or not, now? I think it was a work of genius. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 06:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::"Work of genius" or not... when the joke gets in the way of getting information in this wiki, I think it becomes a bad thing. I'm glad the joke is gone, personally. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

==S.A.R.I.==
It has been suggested that Sari name might be a hint, a sigla of sorts instead of an actual name. Something like Synthetic Android Robotic Inteligence.{{unsigned|194.117.20.2|12:35, 14 April 2008}}
:We ''really'' don't need more fan speculation before the big reveal. Take it to a discussion board.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:05, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:: Things I hate: "Reveal" being used as a noun. It's a ''verb''. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 16:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
:It has been suggested that Sari might actually be a squid-creature, as there has been zero proof that she has bones.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:19, 14 April 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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