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Talk:The Fallen

2009-05-20T13:28:24Z

VakamaMetruNui: /* Subject Seperation */

That bit about how the Fallen was created by Pat Lee? In the latest edition of Wayward's [http://www.insecticons.com/insecticomics.html Insecticomics] it is said that it was actually Furman who created the character, that Lee just did the design. When I asked her about it, she posted this [http://p206.ezboard.com/fthepaddedcell71381frm19.showMessage?topicID=2995.topic&index=107 transcript] which backs that up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

OK so I just left line in the trivia, cos I thought it was funny.
* So he's the henchman of a evil being, has mystical supernatural powers, is a badass and is on fire? Someone might want to file a law suit.

Can it stay or should I take it back down?

==Head==
Anyone notice that his head is very Soundwave-y? When i first saw him, i clearly recognized his head as soundwave's with added badassery.--[[User:Skyglide|Skyglide]] 05:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

==Disambig time?==
http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/default.cfm?page=News/Item&newsid=59522272-D56F-E112-4C783175A8BBBAD6

Ah-heh.

(SOMEBODY IN THAT MOVIE DAMN WELL BETTER BE ON FIRE.) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

==Fallen, Bludgeon and Megs==

I don't know about Bludgeon, but there is a connection between the Fallen and Megs: IDW Megatron's Cybertronian body is based off of the Fallen, right down to the design of the Fusion Cannon. [[User:GWolfv2]] 21.07 June 11

== Defiance issue 4 Fallen's backstory ==

Defiance issue 4 is out. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/revenge-of-the-fallen-prequel-comic-defiance-4-provides-potential-movie-spoilers-167267/ TFW2005.com has posted all the Fallen-relevant spoilers from issue 4, but beware, if you're avoiding Defiance, this spoils the Fallen's crazy scheme in the movie]. The backstory for the Fallen seems fairly different to the Fallen we know. So are they still the same guy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:56, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Still appears to be a member of the Thirteen, still appears to betray them, still apparently serves a force that devours planets/stars.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 15:12, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::But from what I understand of the "multiversal singularity" characters thing, there's just one Fallen, so the guy created by Primus who eventually serves Unicron is also a guy created by a Cube who serves nobody but himself and is building solar towers to replenish the Cube. Or is the currently-untold story of the 13 vague enough that this still works? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 15:20, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::It does seem pretty distinct. One's a "created by mighty power source, got selfish, betrayed his brothers, now want to kick off where things went wrong" other "created as a multiversal control for entrophy and warrior against Unicron. Switched sides. Most dangerous servant of the ultimate evil ever". [[User:Eire]] 21.21 Apr 8 2009 (UTC)
:I don't trust a 3rd party summary written by someone who may not fully understand the story to accurately represent what's actually in the story. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:44, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::In any case, I suspect we are probably going to need to wait to see what the movie itself has to say before making a decision on this. It may expand on what is presented in the comic, it may contradict it in some way, it could make it easier to tie this version in with the previous mythos or may firmly separate it, etc. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I don't think we would have to wait until the movie if the comic is fairly clear on the matter. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::::I think we do, because as I said, we have no way of knowing in advance how well the actual movie will line up with the comic. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 18:05, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:The Fallen is one thing, but what about definite "multiversal singularity" Primus? Does the AllSpark=Primus in the movieverse? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:59, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
::The AllSpark has been designated a [[sacred implement]] in Japanese fiction.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 18:07, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:::It is not uncommon for Transformers to have no knowledge of Primus or Unicron. For every world where they have a full-blown religion to fill them in, you have one where the Transformers have neither heard of either-- remember in [[The Transformers: The Movie]] Hot Rod and Kup had never even heard Unicron's name before. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
Did they not mention that the Fallen calls himself and his other pals "trans-dimensional beings"? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:48, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
:Not the mention [http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-04-01-transformers-first-look_N.htm this interview] affirming he's the original and was "banished to another dimension." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:06, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
::I think what they mean by that is that he's stuck in that stupid pylon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:15, 15 April 2009 (EDT)

==The Fallen gets Power Plans!==
[http://transformerslive.blogspot.com/2009/05/transformers-movie-universe-preview.html] Preview page from the upcoming DK Ultimate Movie Guide, which is totally written by Furman. It establishes a few important things. The Fallen is an "omniversal tyrant." He betrayed his fellow Primes to serve the source of his new "chaotic" powers "from the very birth of the universe," forces which seek to replace morality with a "void." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:06, 18 May 2009 (EDT)
:If Nimoy is cast as him, it will be the second time in his career that he'll be playing some sort of servant of Unicron. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

== Subject Seperation ==

Will you make a separate page the live action version of the Fallen? --Some Random User guy
:As we far as we know, the Fallen is a multi-dimensional being that can... you get the picture. If this Fallen is established as a seperate being, then maybe.--[[User:AWT88|AWT88]] 01:01, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::And as seen in Walky's post above this, the DK guide establishes the Fallen as an "Omniversal tyrant". That more or less means the Fallen is one of those characters who can travel between dimensions, and there's only one of him. Thus, we consider ROTF Fallen to be the same guy as Dreamwave comics Fallen, unless the movie says otherwise (and it obviously won't). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
::Despite the brain-bending problems this creates with the other 12, yes. Are they all birthed by the AllSpark then? That's not what The Ultimate Guide says... (We'll figure it out. Expect the backpedaling, qualifications and clarifications to begin trickling in this fall.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:15, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::You know, the movie universe could have two individuals named the Fallen. I mean, it's not a real name, but rather a sort of title, right? Why couldn't the omniversal tyrant and some douchebag that came from the allspark live in the same universe? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 04:26, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::'''Two''' dimension-hopping flaming ancient Primes who discarded their name in favor of being called "The Fallen" after betraying their 12 fellow Primes, the oldest of Transformers?
:::We already have the Covenant and the Thirteen. Don't make this ''more'' complicated. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
:::I personally think they should be seperated. I mean, he's been trapped in that relic, or whatever it exactly is, for a really long time. How could he of shown up in the IDW series? And, the other 12 sacrificed themselves, so, how could they exist either? -[[User:VakamaMetruNui|VakamaMetruNui]] 09:29, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

NEST

2009-05-10T14:01:25Z

VakamaMetruNui: /* Autobots */

{{picsneeded|NEST faction symbol (if there is one).}}
:''NEST is a military organization in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film series]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

[[Image:Tf2alliance2 nest.jpg|right|320px|thumb|This is a terrible acronym.]]

Following the disbanding of [[Sector Seven]], '''Networked Elements: Supporters and Transformers (N.E.S.T.)''' was set up under [[William Lennox]] to create a combined [[United States Military]]/[[Autobot]] defense force against [[Decepticons]]. Though originally an [[United States of America|American]]-Autobot military alliance, it soon expanded to include armed forces from the [[United Kingdom]] and other nations.

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
After [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] leveled Sector Seven's [[Nevada]] bunker, Captain Lennox tried to convince his dubious and hostile superiors at the [[Pentagon]] that the Autobots were indeed trustworthy and would be a valuable asset. His superiors impressed upon him that in order for the military to provide full disclosure, the Autobots must cooperate fully, and that the unit was Lennox's responsibility now. After the burial-at-sea of [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Lennox agreed that for the protection of their mutual homeworld, they must trust each other and work together as a single team. Sometime later, the newly formed NEST command commenced training at the military base on [[Diego Garcia]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

NEST had a baptism of fire against the [[Decepticon]] scouts [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Dead End (Movie)|Dead End]] in [[San Francisco]]. Following that, it expanded to a multinational force and began taking on Decepticon agents across [[Earth]]. Every Decepticon encountered was destroyed, but NEST's victories were paid with the ultimate sacrifice, such as the loss of [[Salani]]. With [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] redeployed back to the 'States as [[Sam Witwicky]]'s guardian, NEST received a much-needed boost in Transformers ranks when [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] and several other Autobots arrived to Earth. This joy was short-lived, however: the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had been sighted in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}

===''The Veiled Threat'' prequel novel===
{{stub}}
{{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
{{comingsoon}}
{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

==Known members==
===Humans===
*Technical Sergeant [[Robert Epps]] ([[United States Air Force]])
*Captain/Major [[William Lennox]] ([[United States Army|United States Army Rangers]])
*[[Salani]]
*[[Kaminari Ishihara]] — Cyberneticist
*[[Petr Andronov]] — "AI genius"

===Autobots===
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
*[[Mudflap (ROTF) |Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF) |Skids]]
*[[Arcee (Movie) |Arcee]]
*[[Chromia (ROTF) |Chromia]]
*[[Purple motorcycle Autobot |Unknown Autobot]]

==Trivia==
* NEST troopers appeared on Cover B of the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' prequel comic "[[Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2]]" , but were nowhere to be seen in the story inside. This is because most of the covers illustrated by ''Revenge'' concept artist [[Josh Nizzi]] were meant to allude to scenes or situations in the actual ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie itself.

* Diego Garcia appears to be a central base for NEST, at least for training alongside the Autobots. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia The native population of Diego Garcia were ''expelled''] from the island to make way for the joint [[United Kingdom]]/United States military bases. The Autobots are led by Optimus Prime, who believes freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Err...

[[Category:Human organizations]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

NEST

2009-05-10T12:12:42Z

VakamaMetruNui: /* Autobots */

{{picsneeded|NEST faction symbol (if there is one).}}
:''NEST is a military organization in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film series]] [[Continuity family|continuity family]].''

[[Image:Tf2alliance2 nest.jpg|right|320px|thumb|This is a terrible acronym.]]

Following the disbanding of [[Sector Seven]], '''Networked Elements: Supporters and Transformers (N.E.S.T.)''' was set up under [[William Lennox]] to create a combined [[United States Military]]/[[Autobot]] defense force against [[Decepticons]]. Though originally an [[United States of America|American]]-Autobot military alliance, it soon expanded to include armed forces from the [[United Kingdom]] and other nations.

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
After [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]] and [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] leveled Sector Seven's [[Nevada]] bunker, Captain Lennox tried to convince his dubious and hostile superiors at the [[Pentagon]] that the Autobots were indeed trustworthy and would be a valuable asset. His superiors impressed upon him that in order for the military to provide full disclosure, the Autobots must cooperate fully, and that the unit was Lennox's responsibility now. After the burial-at-sea of [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]], [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and Lennox agreed that for the protection of their mutual homeworld, they must trust each other and work together as a single team. Sometime later, the newly formed NEST command commenced training at the military base on [[Diego Garcia]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 3|Alliance #3}}

NEST had a baptism of fire against the [[Decepticon]] scouts [[Swindle (Movie)|Swindle]] and [[Dead End (Movie)|Dead End]] in [[San Francisco]]. Following that, it expanded to a multinational force and began taking on Decepticon agents across [[Earth]]. Every Decepticon encountered was destroyed, but NEST's victories were paid with the ultimate sacrifice, such as the loss of [[Salani]]. With [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] redeployed back to the 'States as [[Sam Witwicky]]'s guardian, NEST received a much-needed boost in Transformers ranks when [[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]] and several other Autobots arrived to Earth. This joy was short-lived, however: the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had been sighted in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}

===''The Veiled Threat'' prequel novel===
{{stub}}
{{storylink|The Veiled Threat}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie===
{{comingsoon}}
{{storylink|Revenge of the Fallen (film)}}

==Known members==
===Humans===
*Technical Sergeant [[Robert Epps]] ([[United States Air Force]])
*Captain/Major [[William Lennox]] ([[United States Army|United States Army Rangers]])
*[[Salani]]
*[[Kaminari Ishihara]] — Cyberneticist
*[[Petr Andronov]] — "AI genius"

===Autobots===
*[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]]
*[[Ratchet (Movie)|Ratchet]]
*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]]
*[[Sideswipe (ROTF)|Sideswipe]]
*[[Mudflap (ROTF) |Mudflap]]
*[[Skids (ROTF) |Skids]]
*[[Arcee (Movie) |Arcee]]
*[[Chromia (ROTF) |Chromia]]

==Trivia==
* NEST troopers appeared on Cover B of the ''[[Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' prequel comic "[[Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2]]" , but were nowhere to be seen in the story inside. This is because most of the covers illustrated by ''Revenge'' concept artist [[Josh Nizzi]] were meant to allude to scenes or situations in the actual ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie itself.

* Diego Garcia appears to be a central base for NEST, at least for training alongside the Autobots. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depopulation_of_Diego_Garcia The native population of Diego Garcia were ''expelled''] from the island to make way for the joint [[United Kingdom]]/United States military bases. The Autobots are led by Optimus Prime, who believes freedom is the right of all sentient beings. Err...

[[Category:Human organizations]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen]]

Elita-1 (ROTF)

2009-05-09T10:45:15Z

VakamaMetruNui:

{{factions|autobot}}
{{noname-nickname}}
:''"Purple motorcycle Autobot" is an Autobot from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''
[[Image:Alliance4_bikeAutobots.jpg|thumb|right|180px|Go, Team Palette-Swap!]]
The "'''purple motorcycle Autobot'''" transforms into a purple motorcycle! And is also [[Arcee (Movie) |Arcee]] and [[Chromia (ROTF) |Chromia's]] sister! It looks like this movie will be all about [[Mudflap (ROTF) |family]] [[Skids (ROTF) |relationships.]]

==Fiction==
===IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics===
Answering [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]'s rallying call, "purple motorcycle Autobot" arrived on [[Earth]] with a small group of other Autobots, but their joy was cut short with news of more [[Decepticon]] sightings on their new home. They caught up and reconnected through their training at [[N.E.S.T.]]'s facility, as that was all the time they had. The new recruits were soon called upon to put their training into use, as the Decepticon [[Demolishor (ROTF)|Demolishor]] had been sighted in [[Shanghai]], [[China]]. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4|Alliance #4}}

[[Category:Autobots]]
[[Category:Female Transformers]]
[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]

Soundwave (ROTF)

2009-05-09T10:12:39Z

VakamaMetruNui: /* Deluxe Class toys */

{{faction|decepticon}}
{{disambig3|Soundwave}}
:''Soundwave is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Revenge of the Fallen (franchise)|Revenge of the Fallen franchise]] in the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

{{mainpic|10:38, 24 April 2009 (EDT)}}
'''Soundwave''', superior?

== Fiction ==
=== Titan Magazines ''Transformers'' movie comics ===
[[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] was in talks with Soundwave to get him to join in the attack on Earth and be in [[Michael Bay]]'s next documentary. Soundwave is known for talking in several frequencies at once, apparently just to be annoying. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 15|#15's Star Screams}} Starscream doesn't trust Soundwave but notes his intelligence, and so views him as a worthy successor in the event of his death. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 21|#21's Star Screams}}

=== IDW ''Transformers'' movie comics ===
Soundwave was assigned by [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] to take command of the newly built ''[[Nemesis (ROTF)|Nemesis]]'' with the sarcophogus containing [[the Fallen]]. Soundwave's task was to find a planet with a star harvester that could be used to free their mysterious benefactor. Soundwave left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] just before the outbreak of war. {{storylink|Defiance issue 4}}

[[Image:SoundwaveAllianceIssue2.jpg|right|300px|thumb|Alas, poor Dreadwing. I knew him, Ravage.]]

Presumed dead for years, Soundwave arrived on [[Mars]] one month after Megatron's death. He quickly took stock of the situation, scanning both [[Dreadwing (Movie)|Dreadwing's]] remains, and an imprint of [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy's]] body. He contacted [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] after his battle with [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]], informing him that he had sent troops from his ship to Earth, with more waiting in stasis. As Starscream headed for the ship, Soundwave informed him he still had orders to follow. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2}}

As more and more Decepticons made planetfall on Earth's surface, Soundwave assumed the form of a satellite and silently observed their operations from orbit. {{Storylink|Alliance issue 4}}

{{-}}
===''Revenge of the Fallen'' (film)===
:''Voice actor:'' [[Frank Welker]] (English) <ref>[http://movieblog.ugo.com/movies/roberto-orci-frank-welker-to-officially-voice-soundwave UGO.com Movie Blog confirmation that Frank Welker will play Soundwave,] April 27, 2009 </ref>

{{coming soon|unreleased}}
{{-}}

== Toys ==
=== Revenge of the Fallen ===
==== Deluxe Class toys ====
[[Image:Soundwaverotfpreviewtoy.jpg|right|300px|thumb|War fork!]]
*'''Soundwave''' (2009)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''RD-04'''
**''Accessories:'' 1 Ravage missile

Part of the initial Movie Preview wave, Soundwave transforms into a Cybertronian jet and a satellite mode that looks rather similar to the jet mode. Somehow, this makes him a [[Triple Changer]]. In robot mode, Soundwave has a bulky body structure, making him a rather small robot. In jet mode, he looks something like Cybertron [[Vector Prime]]. His satellite mode design is rather focused on deploying his [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] missile. Both jet and satellite modes feature a face on the back that looks like an armored version of Soundwave's face.



{{-}}

== Trivia ==
[[Image:EarlyMovieBlackout.jpg|right|200px|thumb|A Soundwave-headed Blackout from an animatic.]]
* Soundwave was originally supposed to feature in [[Transformers (2007)|''Transformers'']]: he fulfilled both [[Barricade (Movie)|Barricade]] and [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]'s roles, hacking into the CIA headquarters as a portable stereo, then [[Mass-shifting|morphed]] into a Humvee to track down [[Sam Witwicky]].<ref>Details from an early script draft [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2213120&postcount=297 summed up here], [http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showpost.php?p=2214148&postcount=303 confirmed as authentic by Roberto Orci here].</ref> [[Michael Bay]]'s decision to minimalize the amount of morphing in the film resulted in a change to a helicopter who openly attacks the army. Soundwave and [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] were changed to [[Blackout (Movie)|Blackout]] and [[Scorponok (Movie)|Scorponok]] as the film's location was changed from a jungle to a desert.<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage was replaced by Scorponok at the official movie boards]</ref><ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=234188&postcount=2008 Roberto Orci confirms that Ravage would have appeared in a different terrain at the official movie boards]
</ref> Hasbro had also insisted on Soundwave having a musical mode, so he was changed to the character eventually known as Frenzy, to the extent that he had to be renamed.

*According to the trade paperback, Soundwave was a major character in the third draft of ''[[The Reign of Starscream]]''

*Hasbro's description and arrangement of Soundwave's toy as a triple changer runs counter to the filmmakers' intent to introduce the technology in the next film.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-revenge-of-the-fallen-will-not-feature-triple-changers-165854/ News from TFW2005.com on September 23, 2008,] detailing [[Roberto Orci]]'s confirmation that there would be no triple-changers in ''Revenge of the Fallen''.</ref> [[Aaron Archer]] acknowledged in ''Toyfare'' #140 (February 2009) they had altered Soundwave's Cybertronian form from the film for the sake of creating a decent toy.

== References ==
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[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen characters]]
[[Category:Decepticons]]
[[Category:Triple Changers]]