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2025-08-17T18:11:50Z

VidaEeviee:

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2025-08-17T18:08:00Z

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2025-08-17T18:06:34Z

VidaEeviee:

'''VidaEeviee''' is a frequent user of TFWiki. He has been been a Transformers fan since February 2020. More to come later (I think...)

Tidal Wave (G1)

2022-05-19T04:28:24Z

VidaEeviee: Fixed a broken link

{{faction|decepticon|starseeker}}
{{disambig3|Tidal Wave}}
:''Tidal Wave is a [[Decepticon]] or starship from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Tidalwavesotw.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"This is ''Duff McWhalen!''"]]
Foul-tempered, foul-mouthed and fourteen stories tall, '''Tidal Wave''' is a force to be reckoned with. Though he may be too stubborn and dense for his own good, this aquatic colossus is a mighty warrior, incredibly strong and big enough to fit countless smaller allies [[Noisemaze|and more]] within his body. Even as a non-sentient battleship, ''the'' Tidal Wave can bring a punishing amount of firepower to bear—and as a [[Transformer]], he can partner with the [[Titan Master]] [[Fathom]] to unlock yet greater power.

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==Fiction==
===''Wings Universe''===
[[File:HtF-TidalWave.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.7|"Duff McWhalen is a clear reference to Guns 'n' Roses. And you know what Guns 'n' Roses has to do with Transformers? ''Nothing!'' His name is ''Duff McWhalen''!"]]
The ''Tidal Wave'', Scourge of the Seven Systems, was the ship of the [[Star Seeker]]s, captained by the lineage of [[Decepticon]] pirates named [[Cannonball (G1)|Cannonball]]. Armed with laser turrets, [[proton missile]]s, and [[rail gun]]s, it carried its crew as they pillaged and plundered their way across the galaxy.

While passing near [[Torax Prime]], the Star Seekers rescued [[Tornado]] and [[Ferak]] from an Autobot fighter, the two signing aboard. As part of Cannonball's master plan, the ''Tidal Wave'' went on a series of space adventures to gather the materials necessary to [[time travel]] to the year [[2984]], where they would attack the defenceless [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] of the time. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur}}

Though reaching their temporal destination, the ''Tidal Wave'' was several light years off-course. Warping to the [[Galadria Space Bridge Outpost]], the pirates met with [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], using the [[space bridge]] to warp into [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]'s severed head, leaving their ship behind. {{storylink|Hoist the Flag}}

After that didn't work, like at all, the ''Tidal Wave'' set course for the [[Unknown Sector]], where the [[spark]] of the immortal [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] was said to be. Arriving at planet [[Shut-Up-Tornado-I'm-Trying-To-Think]], the Star Seekers found only a [[Quintesson]] who bargained passage on the ''Tidal Wave'' in exchange for the location of Starscream's spark. As the ''Tidal Wave'' hung around the planet, it was revealed that the Quintesson was dead, its corpse animated by Starscream, who proceeded to possess Cannonball and reformat the captain's body into his likeness. Bolstered, the Decepticons seized control of the ''Tidal Wave'', dumping a third of the crew on the planet, before warping off. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur}}

Starscream hung around for a time, {{storylink|Legacy (issue)|Legacy}} but eventually left the ''Tidal Wave'', promising to one day repay his debt to Flamewar, leaving her to pirating. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur}}

====Crew====
{{collist|3|
*[[Arms Minicon]]s
**[[Pillage]]
**[[Plunder]]
*[[Axer (G1)|Axor]] (''Master Gunner's "apprentice"'')
*[[Brimstone (G1 Star Seeker)|Brimstone]] (''Master Gunner and Quartermaster'')
*[[Cannonball (G1)|Cannonball the 5th]] (''captain'')
*[[Chairman]] (''speech writer and captain's chair'')
*[[Dread Pirate Crew]]
**[[Boltcaster]]
**[[Cutback]] (''Chairman's escort'')
**[[Drydock (G1)|Drydock]] (''chief mechanic'')
**[[Lockpick]] (''gunner'')
**[[Neurotoxin]] (''boatswain'')
**[[Rolling Thunder (G1)|Rolling Thunder]]
**[[Skyduster]]
**[[Stormcharge]]
**[[Thunderclap (G1)|Thunderclap]]
**[[Turbolift]]
**[[Wheellock]]
*[[Eclipse (G1)|Eclipse]]
*[[Ferak]] (''engineer'')
*[[Ferrocious]]
*[[Shokaract|Hunter]]
*[[Izzerkilod]]
*[[Navigator (Star Seeker)|Navigator]]
*[[Olin Zarak]]/[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] (''laborer'')
*[[Rockhopper]] (''maintenance'')
*[[Squirm]]
*[[Thunderlane (G1)|Thunderlane]] (''cook and bartender'')
*[[Tornado]] (''saboteur'')
*[[Vez]] (''doctor'')
}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:SinsoftheWreckers2-settledown.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.6|"His stage is an underwater scrolling stage. So already you have an underwater stage and a scrolling stage. And his name is ''Duff McWhalen'', by the way."]]
Cranky and temperamental, the potty-mouthed Tidal Wave was the largest member of [[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]], a group of Cybertronians who sought to expose the truths about society hidden by their leaders. After allying with [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]], he became a [[Chimeracon]], a Transformer with biological components and a [[beast mode]] that was able to hide him from detection. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 3|Sins of the Wreckers #3}}

[[File:SinsOfTheWreckers2 TidalWaveTankMode.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.7]]
Tarantulas deployed Mayhem to [[Earth]], where Tidal Wave disguised himself as a whale. Operating from the ocean, he became a mobile base for the smaller members of Mayhem, with his internal workings hosted a portal that gained access to Tarantulas's [[Noisemaze]]. When [[Stampy (BW)|Stampy]] fled with the [[Aequitas]] [[data slug]] stolen from [[Verity Carlo]], [[Stakeout (G1)|Stakeout]] followed the rabbit and was surprised when he fled into a whale's mouth. [[Claw Jaw]] and [[Overbite (G1)|Overbite]] emerged from the same mouth to deal with the Autobot. Despite orders to remain underwater, Tidal Wave surfaced and transformed into a massive tank. After more members of the [[Wreckers]] joined the fight, Tidal Wave attempted to transform into robot mode, but unfortunately found himself stuck in mid-transformation ... because the missing [[Stakeout (G1)|Stakeout]] had been swallowed and accidentally jammed into his [[transformation cog]]. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 2|Sins of the Wreckers #2}}

After fighting through more of Tidal Wave's animal comrades, [[Roadbuster (G1)|Roadbuster]] managed to cow the beast Transformers by holding Claw Jaw hostage, and the squid allowed the Autobots to enter the portal in Tidal Wave that led to [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]]'s prison. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 2|Sins of the Wreckers #2}} The other members of Mayhem managed to re-engage Tidal Wave's jammed transformation cog by extricating the damaged Autobot. The sullen Chimeracon was able to re-enter his beast mode and retreat to the ocean. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 3|Sins of the Wreckers #3}}

[[File:SinsoftheWreckers CarnivacShutsTidalWaveDown.jpg|left|upright=1.5|thumb]]
Overhearing a fight within the Noisemaze, a furious Tidal Wave decided that he'd had enough, and decided to turn his own body inside-out to enter the realm, ignoring the fact that his sheer mass accompanied by the presence of the ''[[Debris]]'' threatened the Noisemaze's integrity. Tidal Wave wound up kicking Impactor into the [[Tor]]... which was where Impactor was planning to go anyway. Tidal Wave turned his attention to the ''Debris'', attacking it. With the Wreckers' job done, Prowl decided to destroy all of Tarantulas's creations, including the Noisemaze. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 4|Sins of the Wreckers #4}} Tidal Wave's attack on the ''Debris'' caused coffins containing deceased Wreckers to spill out. Prowl delivered Tarantulas's [[Obtenteum]] to the battlefield where Guzzle force-fed it to Tidal Wave, causing him to go mad and destroy with impunity. Sensing the collapse of the Noisemaze, [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]] used his forced-transformation powers on Tidal Wave, unaware that the gravitational forces associated with his transformation would collapse the Noisemaze entirely. Tidal Wave's fate after the collapse is unknown. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 5|Sins of the Wreckers #5}}
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===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
[[Image:Derailment TidalWave.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|"When you actually get up to fighting ''Duff''? ''McWhalen''? His fight is ''really freaking easy.''"]]

Tidal Wave was the flagship of the Builder fleet defending the [[Yuss Straits|Straits of Yuss]] and the waterways leading up to Iacon. His fellow Decepticon [[Banzai-Tron (G1)|Banzai-Tron]] was wired into Tidal Wave's bridge as captain, commanding a crew of Micromasters. With minimal mental capacity left (if he ever had it), Tidal Wave made no contribution to the battle other than shouting his name over and over again. When the Builders' navy was overwhelmed, Banzai-Tron ordered Tidal Wave on a collision course with the ''[[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]]'', the Resistance flagship. The impact created an explosion that utterly consumed both ships. {{storylink|Derailment}}

===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
[[File:SiegeOnCybertron-Tidal Wave.jpg|thumb|350px|left|"His ''name''—I lie awake at night ''thinking'' about this! His ''name'' is ''Duff McWhalen''!]]
Tidal Wave was partnered with the [[Titan Master]] [[Fathom]], who granted him the power of armor crush.<ref>[[Trypticon's Titan Master Crunch]]</ref> Tidal Wave took part in a mission to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], wherein he linked with [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] to unleash seismic storms against their foes.<ref>''Titans Return'' Siege on Cybertron pack-in blurb</ref>
{{-}}

===2019 IDW continuity===
At some point, Tidal Wave posed in a group photo with many Cybertronians, including [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]]. {{storylink|Open Comms}}

==Toys==
===''Armada''===
{{main|Tidal Wave (Armada)#Armada}}
:Many incarnations of Tidal Wave on this page are based on the Hasbro ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' Tidal Wave toy.

===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Titans-Return-Siege-on-Cybertron-Tidal-Wave.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"What ''is'' this? HIS ''NAME'' IS ''DUFF MCWHALEN''!"]]
*'''Siege on Cybertron''' (gift set, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Seated gun, [[Fathom#Generations|Fathom]] Titan Master, 5 mini jets

:A redeco and retool of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' [[Broadside (G1)#Generations|Broadside]], Tidal Wave transforms into an aircraft carrier and another aircraft-carrier-sized and very not-aerodynamic jet fighter (however, the legs can be shrunken down with some fiddling). Tidal Wave also features Titan Master-compatible ports on some of his parts. He retains the sprue of mini [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]] jets previously included with Broadside, though now painted black rather than white. It's unknown if those jets represent evil versions of the Aerialbots or something else.

:Unusually for a 2010s Hasbro toy, Tidal Wave's deco is based on ''Armada'' Tidal Wave's [[Tidal Wave (Armada)#Armada cartoon|appearance in the ''Armada'' cartoon]] (and consequently Takara toy) rather than the [[Tidal Wave (Armada)#Armada|Hasbro ''Armada'' toy]].

:Tidal Wave and Fathom were only available as part of the "Siege of Cybertron" set, which also includes [[Ginrai (robot)#Titans Return|Magnus Prime]] & [[Ginrai (human)#Generations|Ginrai]], [[Haruma Gō#Generations|Professor Go]] & [[Metalhawk (G1)#Generations|Metalhawk]], [[Pounce#Generations|Decepticon Pounce]], and [[Thunderwing (G1)#SiegeOnCybertron|Thunderwing]]. In the United States, this set was exclusive to [[BigBadToyStore]], but it saw a wider release in Canada where it was available at [[Toys"R"Us]], [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]], the Canadian [[Walmart]] online store, book store chain Indigo and several PC retailers (seriously!). Additionally, it was also available at retail in Hong Kong and Singapore and even saw an official release in the Netherlands, where it was exclusively available from BOL.

::*''[http://www.transformers-universe.com/i.php?ID=6838 More information on Tidal Wave at Transformers-Universe.com]''
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==Merchandise==
===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:TidalWaveAircraftCarrier.jpg|thumb]]
[[File:TidalWaveTransport.jpg|thumb]]
[[File:TidalWaveBattleship.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Tidal Wave, Dark Fleet''' (2020)
**''Stars: ''24
***'''Tidal Wave, Dark Fleet (Aircraft Carrier)'''
***'''Wave 5P: Titan Masters Attack'''
***''Rarity: '''''R'''
***''Card Number: '''''P02/2020'''
***''Stars: ''8
***'''Tidal Wave, Dark Fleet (Transport)'''
***'''Wave 5P: Titan Masters Attack'''
***''Rarity: '''''R'''
***''Card Number: '''''P03/2020'''
***''Stars: ''8
***'''Tidal Wave, Dark Fleet (Battleship)'''
***'''Wave 5P: Titan Masters Attack'''
***''Rarity: '''''R'''
***''Card Number: '''''P04/2020'''
***''Stars: ''8

:These cards' set was originally set for an April 2020 release, however due to the global COVID-19 pandemic the release was pushed back to May 29, 2020.
{{--}}

==Notes==
*The ''Tidal Wave'' in ''Wings Universe'' is treated as a perfectly normal spaceship in all fiction, although [[Hoist the Flag|''Timelines'' #10]] artist [[Hayato Sakamoto]] sold a poster at [[BotCon 2014]] depicting it in a robot mode (based on the ''Armada'' Tidal Wave toy).
*Tidal Wave's appearance in the original IDW run is the "classic, imposing design" with bits of whale shoved onto it. His inclusion had been on writer/artist [[Nick Roche]]'s mind since finishing ''[[The Transformers: Last Stand of the Wreckers|Last Stand of the Wreckers]]''. He attributes this fascination with Tidal Wave to the fight against him in the [[Transformers (PS2)|2004 video game]] being one of his "top-ten Transformers moments"—and who can blame him, that fight is a Duff McWhalen of a time.<ref>Writer/artist [[Nick Roche]] in bonus material for ''[[The Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers]]''.</ref>

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
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|disambig=Tidal Wave (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], the loyal [[Decepticon]] powerhouse from the [[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]].
*[[Tidal Wave (Animated)|Tidal Wave]], the [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]] menu headshot from ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]''.}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Decepticons]]
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising vehicles]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Transformers]]
[[Category:Mayhem]]
[[Category:Titans Return Decepticons]]
[[Category:Watercraft]]
[[Category:Wings Universe starships]]

Size changing

2022-05-18T16:12:02Z

VidaEeviee: Minor word change

[[File:Soundwave shrinks.gif|thumb|upright=1.4|A little known fact, but {{w|Wasp (comics)|Wasp}} is Soundwave's cousin.]]

Although [[scale]] has never exactly been a deep concern when it comes to ''Transformers'', given that the series has featured F-15 jets not much larger than sports cars, it is not uncommon for certain Transformers to clearly and deliberately '''change size''' when transforming from one mode to the next. The methods employed for this startling alteration in physicality have differed from timeline to timeline, and have long been a heavily debated aspect of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] technology.

{{quote|Decepticons Skywarp and Thundercracker transform and land. A tape player, three cassette tapes and a Walther P-38 fly forth from the towering twin titans. And astonishingly they enlarge hundreds of times over and change into Soundwave, Megatron, Frenzy, and Ravage!|[[Narrator]]|[[Prisoner of War!]]}}

==Examples==
Note that many of the Transformers named here have also transformed at certain times ''without'' shrinking or enlarging, retaining an [[alternate mode]] to scale with their [[robot mode]]. It doesn't help mass-shifting logic though. If anything it only results in ''more'' questions.

===Shrinking===
[[File:DarknessRising3-Arceesizechange.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Where does she ''keep'' it all?]]
The most famous examples of size-changing Transformers are [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], who becomes a pistol, and [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], who both become stereo cassette players. These Transformers visibly shrink as they transform, assuming one of two sizes—one that allows another Transformer to wield or operate them, and another, even smaller size scaled to humans.

Other shrinking Transformers include [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]], the [[Mini-Cassette]]s, the three bots who make up [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], and in some continuities, the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s. Reflector could be considered one of the worst, since that's ''three'' Transformers slightly over human-size combining into ''one'' form that's small enough for other robots - or humans - to take photographs with.

[[Overkill (G1)|Overkill]]'s ''[[The Transformers Universe|Transformers Universe]]'' bio notes that he has a defect in his transformation circuitry, which often results in him not being able to complete his transformation by not growing back to his robot mode's full size.

One of [[Deep Cover]]'s [[ability|abilities]] is being able to shrink to 1/40th his size for brief periods of time.

Shrinking into altmode is a property also shared by [[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|''Animated'']] [[Prowl (Animated)|Prowl]] and [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Prime'']] [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]]. They both transform from motorcycles, which are about the size of a human, into full-sized Autobot warriors. In Prowl's case, he grows to be taller than [[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]], who's a car, although he is much slimmer. ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' [[Signal Lancer]] is another fine example, since Signal Lancer transforms from a normal-size traffic light into a robot big enough to wield the light-pole as a [[lance]].

''Animated'' [[Shockwave (Animated)|Shockwave]] was deployed undercover within [[Autobot boot camp|the Autobot ranks]] by [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] specifically due to his stated size-changing abilities, allowing him to adopt a smaller Autobot-sized form in the guise of Longarm.<ref>[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac]]</ref>

The ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' video game and its [[Transformers: Fall of Cybertron|sequel]] mostly avoided this with most of the cast using animation models that stayed the same size. One exception occurred in the original game, a very blatant one, with [[Trypticon (WFC)|Trypticon]]. While his robot mode is undeniably huge, his alt mode, an orbital space station converted into a gun, was big enough to have an entire level set in it. Another case occurred in the sequel's multiplayer with a [[Titan (FOC)|Titan]] using the Beast body type, where going into the character's alt mode has them shrinking down while transforming so by the end they're still the same size as in robot mode. This was an obvious choice made for balancing, since doubling in size like [[Grimlock (WFC)|Grimlock]] does in the campaign mode would make the Titan too big a target.

===Enlarging===
Conversely, Transformers have been known to grow in size when assuming their alternate modes—the most prominent example is surely [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], whose space shuttle mode could become large enough to convey a whole contingent of Decepticon warriors, and even allow [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] to form inside him without even bumping his head. Similarly, [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] transforms from a robot of roughly average size (occasionally depicted as somewhat tall, but never ''huge'') into a jet and then into an entire aircraft carrier, of the type used to transport '''dozens''' of jets. [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] is another good example, who has been able to transport whole Autobots in the back of his ambulance form during the cartoon, even [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]], who turns into a jet. Other Transformers that enlarge in such a manner also generally do so for the purposes of transporting others; they include [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]], [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]], and [[Grand Maximus]].

[[Combiner]]s are often larger in their combined form than their robot modes would otherwise indicate—in fact, in the episode "[[Chaos (episode)|Chaos]]," [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]] is explicitly shown to enlarge after his combination is complete. In the IDW continuity, the Constructicons (and [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]]) are explicitly shown to change size whenever they form Devastator. [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] mentions that not even Prowl's brain can grow large enough to fully accommodate Devastator's [[w:Brain-to-body mass ratio|brain-to-body-mass ratio]].

In the original animated series many of the Transformers arguably enlarged or shrank in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] to a lesser extent, this is most notable among groups such as the [[Seeker (body-type)|Decepticon]] [[Conehead|jets]] and [[Mini Vehicle|minibots]], whose altmodes [[Scale|could not possibly turn into robots that are the size they are depicted otherwise]]. Whether this was truly intended to indicate actual size changes, was merely "lazy animation", or was simply a stylistic choice designed to emphasize the awesome stature of robot mode Cybertronians, is a matter of individual opinion.

While later continuities tried to tone this down, it was still present with instances like [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] seen above, and [[Slug (FOC)|Slug]], who goes from a [[Infiltrator (FOC)|Infiltrator]]-sized character to the size of an Insecticon bruiser, and is clearly seen growing bigger after he transforms. Particularly notable is the [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] incarnation of [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]], whose horns alone in dragon form are taller than most Transformers, but who "only" stands head-and-shoulders above [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] in robot mode.

[[Magnificus (G1)|Magnificus]] has a matter-enlarging scope, which he used to make [[Ga'mede]] fit in in the macroverse.

Another similar thing happened with [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] when transforming from his Marmon 97 and back in the ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' film because it is needed to be tall enough due to transforming into a small truck.

===Implicit size changing===
[[File:MakeHoistHuffer.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Mass displacement my boron compressor.]]
Transformers that act as transport for other Transformers often implicitly change size to do so. However, size changing is rarely explicitly depicted in these cases. Instead, the following method is used: A character such as [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] transforms in-frame from robot to shuttle with no visible expansion of size relative to his surroundings. Cut. [[File:Loading_Ironhide.jpg|right|upright=1.4|thumb|Vanception.]]In the following shot his fellow Decepticons are shown running into frame, suddenly relatively tiny in stature so that they can board the shuttle. Although Astrotrain has not been shown to actually grow, one has to infer that this is more likely than that all his confederates have individually shrunk.

The same change-in-scale-via-implicit-size-changing is used with [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and other characters used as transport. For example, in the episode "[[Make Tracks]]", [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], who is depicted as one of the larger Autobots in robot mode, is shown riding inside [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]], a Minibot whose truck mode is usually depicted as being smaller than Optimus Prime's. So either Huffer is extremely large in that scene, or Hoist is suddenly the size of a human. Likewise, an injured [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] has been shown [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|being loaded into]] [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet's]] rear medical bay, despite both having the ''exact same [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]''.

(The other explanation is that the animators simply hoped no one would notice the sudden change in scale. Since ''Transformers'' is usually targeted at kids, there's probably some truth to this.)

The ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' cartoon had two entirely different [[Scale charts#Cybertron cartoon|scale chart]]s made as a reference for the animators to work from; one for robot mode scale and the other for vehicle mode scale. While the robot mode scale was mostly based on the toys ([[Metroplex (Cybertron)|aside]] [[Quickmix (Cybertron)|from]] [[Menasor (Cybertron)|a few]] [[Primus|exceptions]]), the vehicle modes were based on a more realistic scale. This resulted in the [[Gigantion|Giant Planet]] [[Mini-Con]]s turning into larger vehicles that scaled with their fellow Autobots, unlike the Mini-Cons of ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Armada]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Energon]]'' who remained miniscule in either mode. Smaller characters like [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]], who transformed into an armored missile truck, would often transform into vehicles larger than taller characters like [[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Hot Shot]], who transformed into a car. Any character transforming into an aircraft (e.g. [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]]) would grow to an enormous size in order to accurately scale with their fellow team members, who would ''usually'' be rescaled based on [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]—or the next largest character's vehicle mode; with everyone else nearby following the largest robot's robot mode scale. Unfortunately, the results of these two different scales would often lead to [[:File:Vector Prime-Landmine.jpg|over and undersized characters before and after transformation]].

Most Transformers in the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon employ some visible mass-displacement when transforming into their alternate modes, compressing their robot-mode mass into their vehicle mode forms. This is most visible with [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]], whose vehicle mode is roughly half the size of her robot form, and [[Predaking (Prime)|Predaking]], who is noted to be liable to tear the Decepticon's ship apart in beast mode, but is small enough to easily roam the halls in robot mode.

===Pretenders===
Although the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original American cartoon]] was cancelled before the [[Pretender]]s were created, the Japanese-only continuity featured them in their series ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]''. Here the Pretenders did not have outer shells so much as ill-defined holistic transformations which explicitly involved size-changing, allowing the Autobots to convincingly pass themselves off as humans (standing at roughly 6 feet tall). Also, Autobot Pretenders' shells are able to perform size changing in the ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (manga)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' manga. The Decepticons in the cartoon would also shrink, though, rather than shrinking to the size of a human, their monstrous forms would stand at the height of 7 meters (to put that into perspective, their robot modes stand at 8 meters, so they drop one meter in height, rather than shrinking all the way down to human-height like the Autobots do).

Although never depicted in any of their actual fiction, [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]]'s ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' encyclopedia stated that Pretender shells use shrinking technology to achieve the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (franchise)#Transformers: Super-God Masterforce|Masterforce]]''-like capacity to pass the wearer off as a real human (or other small lifeform of choice). (Intriguingly, the profile also obliquely implies that Pretender technology would later lead to the development of the faux-organic [[beast mode]]s of the [[Beast Era]].)

==Explanations==
Although size-changing has been evident in Transformers from the very beginning, the original animated series and comic books never address the topic, and it was regarded as simply being the way of things. Fandom debate on the topic has seemingly inspired later fiction to offer varying explanations on how it functions.

===''Beast Wars II'' cartoon===
Surprisingly, one of the first, if not the very first, attempts of providing an official explanation for an instance of size-changing occurred in the Japanese-original ''[[Beast Wars II: Super Lifeform Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars II]]'' cartoon.

Upon being upgraded from his smaller, average-sized "Megastorm" form, [[Megastorm|Gigastorm]] had become too large to enter the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s' ship, the ''[[Galvaburg II]]''. In order for him to fit, he would first have to be exposed to an '''[[Elemental Particle Control Beam]]''' that would shrink his body down to a more accommodating size every time he wished to enter the ship. He would then remain in his scaled-down size inside the ship for seemingly-indefinite periods of time, until returning to his original size whenever he'd be back outside of the ship.

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] offered two explanations for size-changing within its continuity.

The first, to explain enlarging, was '''parts compression'''—the notion that the Transformers in question, such as Astrotrain and [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]], had many dense layers of armor in robot mode, which then slid out, expanding to create a much larger, but less-strongly-armored vehicle mode. Fans have referred to this as the "origami Transformers" explanation, and it appeared in their ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More Than Meets The Eye]]'' encyclopedia.

The second explanation, to justify shrinking, was '''mass conversion'''. This method put it that Transformers like Soundwave were genetically endowed with the ability to transform not simply their bodies, but their entire molecular structure. This ability, not under their conscious control, only activates when they transform, shifting their atoms according to a predetermined schematic.

===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:Escalation3-Massdisplacement.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Shrinky-dink.]]
In the ''[[The Transformers: Escalation|Escalation]]'' miniseries sees [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] employ a '''mass-displacement sequence''', physically discarding a portion of his bodily mass to allow himself to shrink to a human-scaled pistol of appropriate weight and density. What with E equalling mc², the loss of this amount of mass (shunted to an undisclosed location in space and time) results in a volatile energy discharge, requiring bystanders to step away lest they be injured by the forces released—not that Megatron would care.

Due to the energy shortage (and seeming near-total depletion of Transformers' primary fuel source, [[Energon]]) caused by their war, mass displacement hasn't been commonplace for a very long time. Since it requires a huge amount of energy, the technology had practically vanished until the discovery of [[Ore-13]] on [[Earth#2005 IDW continuity|Earth]].

Mass displacement in [[IDW Publishing|IDW's]] [[2005 IDW continuity|original comic book series]] went unmentioned for several years until ''[[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|Robots in Disguise]]'' used it to explain why the [[Constructicon (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Constructicons]] look much larger when they're forming [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] and ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' introduced the '''[[mass-displacement gun]]''', a weapon capable of shrinking ''other'' people, while Megatron would shrink in ''robot mode'' - explaining that the spark modifications to enable mass-displacement, once done, could not be undone - as part of saving the living version of the ''[[Lost Light]]''. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}.

The [[Chimeracon]]s, a faction of experimental warrriors created by [[Tarantulas (BW)#2005 IDW continuity|Mesothulas]], used body-frames augmented with [[obtenteum]]. This super-fuel gave them the necessary energy required to regularly shift size when converting to and from their [[beast mode]]s. {{storylink|Sins of the Wreckers issue 3}}

In an attempt to destroy a [[Moonbase Two|Functionist-controlled moon]], [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] from an [[Functionist Universe|alternate universe]] was voluntarily mass displaced into the size of a moon, and was killed by this soon afterwards. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}}

===2007 ''Transformers'' film===
The creators of the [[Transformers (film)|2007 live-action movie]] explicitly avoided including any Transformers who could change size, wishing to avoid the necessary suspension of disbelief. Therefore, any observed [[scale]] problems are genuine scale problems. (And there are a few, most notably human-sized [[Frenzy (Movie)|Frenzy]]'s head turning into a tiny cell phone. But then again, his head is basically made of shards with a ''lot'' of space in between.) That said, size-changing technology clearly exists in ''some'' form in the movie continuity, as [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] somehow shrinks the [[AllSpark]] down to a manageable size and mass. The [[Staff of Merlin]] has also been shown to be capable of changing size in ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', capable of shrinking and growing to be held by both Cybertronians and humans.

===''Rescue Bots Academy'' cartoon===
When questioned how [[Laserbeak (WFC)|Laserbeak]] was able to turn into a tiny cassette tape, [[Perceptor (Prime)|Perceptor]] explained certain Transformers could use a technique called '''molecular compression''', allowing them to achieve alternate modes much smaller than their robot mode would seemingly permit. {{storylink|More Than Meets The Eye (RBA)|More Than Meets The Eye}}

===Fandom explanations===
[[File:No mass shifting here.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Just when you thought you had it all figured out...]]
The issue of shrinking and enlarging was, in the early days of the online ''Transformers'' fandom, a frequently debated subject. The Transformers were clearly displacing their mass, to allow their shrunken forms to be operable—so where was that mass going? The postulated answer to this question was the invention of "[[unspace|subspace]]", the void of extradimensional space between realities. Subspace proved a handy answer to various other questions as well—see the concept's own article for details. IDW's "mass displacement" rationale essentially ''is'' the subspace explanation, without actually using the term.

And hey, if any of that doesn't grab you, a [[Beorht|wizard]] did it.

==Note==
*When you see a character's size is [[:File:Tinybluestreak.jpg|smaller]] [[:File:Huge Ironhide and Small Ratchet.jpg|than]] [[:File:CarnageMiniBlaster.jpg|usual]], well, it's just [[Animation error|a technical issue]].

==References==
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[[Category:Technology]]

Ring-A-Ling

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:''Ring-A-Ling is a member of the [[Gamer Geeks]] from [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)|BotBots]]''

[[File:BotBots - Phoning it in - Ring-A-Ling.jpg|250px|thumb|"Is it not a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt for so small a thing? So small a thing!"]]

In her guise as a humble phone, '''Ring-A-Ling''' has the unenviable position of being the company phone of the flesh being known as [[Dave (BotBots)|Dave]], his only source of companionship and contact with the outside world (mostly his [[Dave's mom|mom]]). This task tends to keep her away from her fellow BotBots, some of whom don't know she even exists. As a phone, Ring-A-Ling is loaded with apps to help keep Dave occupied during his long and lonely hours, many of which are very tempting to the unwary. And while tedious, her close proximity to Dave means she probably knows best how his mind works.

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==Fiction==
===''BotBots'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Ana Sani]] (English)|[[Kitty Mezei]] (Hungarian), [[Jheni Rinjo]] (Indonesian), [[Nur Azeera Mohamad Nazir]] (Malay), [[Leticia Celini]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Julia Gorohova]] (Russian), [[Alondra Hidalgo]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Sabanur Aksoy]] (Turkish)}}
Before being brought to life by the [[energon]] [[energon radiation|cloud]], Ring-A-Ling was Dave's company given phone. In that time, Dave only ever added his mom to his contacts. {{storylink|Shopping Brawl}}

In her phone form, Ring-A-Ling provided Dave podcasts to listen to on his rounds, until he managed to temporarily run out. Dave then change to to listening to a self affirmation app. Questioning if he was repeating the correct parts, he examined the self help app closely...while giving Ring-A-Ling a good view of him picking his nose. Ewww. Later Dave was completely engrossed with the phone as he did his rounds, missing the blaring lights and music from the [[mall (BotBots)|mall]] train ride. {{storylink|Mall Than Meets the Eye}} Later Dave told his [[Dave's mom|mom]] all about the [[Burgertron|little]] [[Dimlit|robots]] he saw on a call. {{storylink|(Never) Be Yourself}} On his [[February 29|birthday]] Dave called his mom to tell her all about how he was planning on getting a fancy cupcake to celebrate. While sitting on the [[Bathroom|toilet]]. Again, eww. {{storylink|Escape from Snackatraz}}

After seeing an ad promising the chance of becoming mall famous (the best ''kind'' of famous!), Dave used Ring-A-Ling to take some... questionable selfies. However, in the process she also caught footage of the [[Lost Bots]] falling off a banister behind him. Unable to break her cover, she set off her midnight snack alarm. Unaware of their fellow BotBot's existence, the Lost Bots followed Dave to his office to retrieve his phone. [[Bonz-Eye]] managed to do so while Dave snoozed, the usual result of his eating. The desperate Lost Bots tried to get past his password, with Ring-A-Ling helping them despite [[Clogstopper]]'s ridiculous suggestion the password was simply "1111111". [[Burgertron]] quickly deleted the incriminating photos, but then Ring-A-Ling's many apps began tempting the Lost Bots, one by one. Even Burgertron found himself seduced when he began editing Dave's selfies, and soon all five Lost Bots were at one another's throats, each finding the phone far too ''precious'' to give up. Ring-A-Ling tried faking running out of juice to snap them out of it, but this was only a partial triumph, as the Lost Bots blamed the phone for corrupting them, and therefore the only solution was to cast it into the [[fiery dumpster from which none return]]! Before they could, Ring-A-Ling finally broke cover to read the misfits the riot act for their nearly killing her, their obsessive behavior and general cluelessness in not noticing how she'd been trying to help them. Admonishing them for their inability to set boundaries, she declared them beyond help, and stormed off to return to Dave. Waking up as she returned, Dave checked her screen and was shocked to discover his ''[[MallFace]]'' likes had dramatically increased thanks to Burgertron's photo edits. Dave subsequently blew it anyway. {{storylink|Phoning It In}}

Dave listened to music on Ring-A-Ling in phone mode while doing his rounds. He paused briefly as he questioned if he heard a bird, before shrugging and continuing his rounds. {{storylink|Live and Let LARP}} When Dave bought a [[Lady Macaron|fancy macaron]] as a treat, he decided to document the moment with a photo using Ring-A-Ling in phone form. While he was distracted with what kind of filter to use, a noise from a nearby store caught his attention. Putting Ring-A-Ling in his pocket, he want to investigate. {{storylink|Lone Bot and Carb}}
Dave once again zoned out listening to something on the phone as he did his rounds, failing to notice [[Jacqueline|various]] [[Dimlit|attempts]] to stop him. Eventually the sight of a tiny burger robot rolling in front of him managed to get his attention away from the phone, and he gave chase eventually losing him. {{storylink|On the Bot Prom Dance Floor}} When Dave got food poisoning, he called [[Randall (BotBots)|his boss]] letting him know how sick he was and that he needed new pants. Once again, eww. {{storylink|The Ruckus Rally (episode)|The Ruckus Rally}}

Getting prepared for the mall [[Halloween]] Dave gave his mom a call with Ring-A-Ling in phone mode to try out his new spooky voice for his mummy costume. After having to reassure his mom it wasn't a pranks call, he found out his Mom hadn't programed Ring-A-Ling's in his phones number into her phone. {{storylink|Spirit of Halloween}} He later had another call with his mom where he reassured her he wasn't a [[vampire]], was just pale due to working the night shift constantly and asked her to stop rubbing garlic in his clothes. Later that night after his latest plan to catch the tiny robots went....a little poorly he had another call with his mom where he reassured her he could see himself in mirrors. Getting a second call, he swapped over to talk to Randall, only to be told he was fired. {{storylink|Agent Smartlit (episode)|Agent Smartlit}}

Breaking the news to his mom during a call, the [[Lost Bots]] overheard Dave lamented how much the mall meant to him. He then returned to [[Dave's office|his office]] to clean out his locker and left Ring-A-Ling there before leaving. After the [[security bots]] that replaced him began to hunt down the BotBots, the Lost Bots got Ring-A-Ling to call Dave's mom so they could reach Dave in a desperate last-ditch scheme to lure Dave back to the mall so he could shut off the rampaging security bots. Despite Burgertron's unconvincing story and disguise of "Mallworker Fleshguy, Esquire", the plan worked. Dave got his job back, and Ring-A-Ling once more served as his phone. {{storylink|Shopping Brawl}}

As part of the Gamer Geeks, Ring-A-Ling took part in the [[Goldrush Games (event)|Goldrush Games]], but they proved unable to win. {{storylink|The Goldrush Games - Part the First}}

==Notes==
* Ring-A-Ling's name was never given in show. She was listed as Phone in the international credits for the episode "[[Phoning It In]]". Her actual name was later listed in the the international credits for the episode "[[Shopping Brawl]]".
* Ring-A-Ling mentioned that he only ever programed one number into her, his mom. Given we hear him speak to Randall while sick, that means Randall's number was pre-programmed into it or Dave just remembers it. Knowing Dave, it seems more like it was pre-programmed.

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Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime boxart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|Awwwwww yeah......]]
Since 1984, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 '''Optimus Prime''']] has received the largest number of toys for any single ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' character, a testament to the character's enduring popularity and status as a hero to many fans.

Due to the popularity of the character and the evergrowing [[Generation 1 continuity family]], this article had become far too large, causing internet browsers to struggle loading all of its contents—and in the most extreme cases—crashing entirely. For the sake of a nice clean split, we have opted to move all of Optimus Prime's ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toys into a separate article which can be found '''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys|here]]'''.

==''The Transformers''==
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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|From the ''Diaclone'' Battle Convoy came Optimus Prime and all his subsequent incarnations.]][[File:G1toy optimus prime variants and running changes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Most people would be happy with just ''one'' Optimus Prime, but noooooo...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (1984, 1985, 1986)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), [[Trailer]]/[[Combat Deck (G1)#Toys|Combat Deck]], [[Roller (G1)#Toys|Roller]], 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

: The original Optimus Prime toy started life as the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy, "Battle Convoy", created by a team of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] designers who came on board when the original designer fell behind. This team included [[Hiroyuki Obara]] (listed as the sole creator on the toy's patent) and famed mecha designer [[Shōji Kawamori]]. The toy transforms into two major components; the first component being a red and blue White Freightliner WFT-8664T cabover semi-trailer truck partially composed of [[die-cast]] metal, and the second component being a large silver trailer of currently-undetermined model.

:The cab transforms into the [[robot mode]] of Optimus Prime himself, with the addition of a pair of removable blue fists that plug into his headlights. The fists themselves do not store anywhere in vehicle mode, but can fit easily in Prime's opening chest compartment (originally designed to accommodate two ''Diaclone'' driver figures). Prime is armed with a black laser rifle that, due to design, he cannot hold straight. Due to his transformation, his articulation is relatively high for the era, mainly in the arms, which feature rotation at the shoulders, biceps, and wrists, along with elbow bends and a backward shoulder joint. He's also one of the few toys of the 1984 era to have knees (which serve to facilitate the "Powered Convoy" upgrade), though their use is restricted by his lack of forward hip movement. His smokestacks can rotate, but don't serve much purpose whatsoever.

:Prime's trailer opens up into his [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]], containing the scout drone, [[Roller (G1)|Roller]]. The interior of the Combat Deck features three pegs that can accommodate Prime's laser rifle, fuel pump and nozzle accessories, and seating for two ''Diaclone'' drivers. As its central feature, the Combat Deck features a missile-armed repair drone pod mounted upon a boom lift arm (featuring another cockpit for a ''Diaclone'' driver), which can also be extended through holes in the trailer's roof and front-end when it is closed. Situated in the base of the boom arm is a spring-loaded launcher that can launch Roller out of the Combat Deck and into action. Roller himself has seating for four ''Diaclone'' passengers, and features a port that can accommodate either Prime's rifle or the fuel pump. The interior space of the trailer allows storage room for one standard Autobot car, which can also be shot forward by the launcher.

:Optimus Prime was subject to several molding and color variations in his early days. The earliest release of the figure featured larger fists, a gun with a thick, round barrel, a slightly-differently shaped gas pump, grey rockets, a grey Roller, a grey launcher in his Combat Deck, and metal plates in the floor of the Combat Deck (a holdover from the ''Diaclone'' version of the toy, to which the magnetic feet of the pilots could cling). In short order, his fists were slimmed down, the gun's barrel was pared down to a more slender form, the gas pump's shape was altered, the rockets and launcher were recast in black plastic, the metal plates were removed from the Combat Deck, and Roller's color was changed to a light blue. Along with Roller's color change, however, the Combat Deck's drone pod also became light blue, and a third running change soon followed that saw it restored to its original darker blue, and Roller changed along with it. These modified components would become the default accessories used by subsequent reissues of the Prime toy, though Roller stills fluctuates back and forth between grey and dark blue, depending on how [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] each reissue wants to be.

:The Japanese release of the figure also underwent the changes in weapon shapes, but never featured a silver Roller; instead, their original release of Prime featured a ''Diaclone''-style Roller without the two rear pegs, and the differently-shaped launcher that accommodated him, before a running change switched over to the Hasbro version of the mold. Finally, in some European countries, Prime sported red feet, as opposed to his traditional blue; this version of the figure is also known in some cases to feature a differently-painted forehead crest which leaves the three central indentations unpainted blue.

:For the mainland Europe [[Milton Bradley]] release, there were two [[variant]]s of Optimus Prime available: the first version, manufactured by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], sported blue feet like most other versions; the second version, manufactured by [[Joustra]]'s parent company [[Ceji]], sported red feet instead.<ref name="3mb" /> On top of that, the Italian release of "Commander" by [[GiG]] eventually featured a [http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vprime6.html later variant] that replaced the rubber tires and [[die-cast]] feet with plastic parts, similar to the US [[KB Toys]] variant of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Toys|Ultra Magnus]].

:Having been removed from toy store shelves after 1985, Optimus Prime was made available as a mail-away toy in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" offer in the US in 1986 to coincide with the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers movie]] premiering that year. He cost $21.50 and 5 [[Robot Point]]s. He was also offered in 'The Autobots Have A Special Mission For...' mail-away pamphlet and came with a special "Movie Edition Certificate" and a round sticker that read " Movie . Edition . Transformer" with the Autobot symbol in the middle. (This item is considered ''rare''.)

:Over twenty-plus years, there have been a ''bajillion'' releases of this mold, some identical to the original toy, and some featuring significant variants with notably different paint jobs, color schemes, accessories and other pack-ins. We have striven to list all these variants on this page under their respective series; for a quick-reference list of all variants and releases [[#Notes|check here]]. The cab robot has also been used sparingly to represent different characters; outfitted with different trailers, it has become Generation 1 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Pepsi Convoy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Generation 1 Optimus Prime at TFU.info]
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[[File:G1-toy OptimusPepsi.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Pepsibots, roll out!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Limited edition promotional variant, 1985)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:A limited edition of the Optimus Prime toy sold as a mail-away exclusive by [[Pepsi|PepsiCo]] was made available in North America in 1985. This version of the figure came with a small fold-out leaflet glued to the top-right of the packaging, which contained two Pepsi logo stickers for the buyer to attach to Prime, mid-way through the traditional silver-and-blue stripe on his trailer. [[Canada]] also got a version of this promotional figure, but with much larger stickers that were the full length and height of the trailer. This promotion would go on to serve as the inspiration for the Japanese character of [[Pepsi Convoy]], who would in turn be released by Hasbro as a new "[[#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]" in 2007.

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[[File:Convoy megatron vsx.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron, what are we doing in the same box?!]]
*'''Convoy vs. Megatron''' (Versus set, 1985)
**''ID number:'' '''VSX'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

: This Japanese-[[exclusive]] release of Optimus Prime came with the Japanese release of [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]. There are no differences between this release of Convoy and the individually released toy.

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[[File:Goodbye convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He's not leaving! He's right behind you!]]
*'''Good Bye Convoy''' (Multipack, 1986)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump
: Commemorating the death of Optimus Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', this set contains a special version of the original Optimus Prime figure with show-inspired translucent blue windows. It was packaged with [[Mirage (G1)/toys|Ligier]] and [[Red Alert (G1)/toys|Alert]], in an apparent homage to the similar ''Diaclone'' "Powered Convoy DX" giftset that packaged the "Powered Convoy" version of the Optimus mold with figures using the molds of Ligier and Alert.

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[[File:Ultramagnusg1toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Honkimus Prime.]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1986)
**''ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Large robot head, rifle, chest plate, 2 trailer connectors/waist plates, 2 small robot fists (left & right), 2 large robot fists (left & right), 2 missile launchers, 4 missiles
{{note|Ultra Magnus' inner white Optimus Prime redeco was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as Optimus Prime in the ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' issue "[[The War Never Ends]]".}}

: Ultra Magnus is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Powered Convoy" figure, itself a redeco and slight retool of "Battle Convoy", the toy that became the original Optimus Prime figure, sporting a new trailer. One of the last few ''Diaclone'' toys to be released in the ''Transformers'' toyline, Magnus was recolored from the original toy's dark blue, red and black color scheme into a more patriotic red, white and blue, though his chestplate, which was rendered white in his package art followed a more the blue color scheme of his shoulders. He transforms into a Freightliner COE, towing a car-carrier trailer capable of transporting up to four normal-sized Autobot cars. As with Optimus Prime, his cab transforms into a small robot, which can then combine with the trailer to form a "super robot", although all original Generation 1 fiction prior to the 21st century ignored this and simply rendered the super robot as Magnus's default robot form. To facilitate this combination, Magnus sports a slightly longer front axle than Prime, thereby creating tabs on either side of the cab that slide into grooves in the trailer to help lock the small robot into place. He is armed with a rifle sporting two handles that allow either of his [[robot mode]]s to hold it, and two shoulder-mounted missile launchers, whose spring-loaded firing mechanism was removed for the Hasbro release of the figure.

:The ''Diaclone'' Powered Convoy figure had several additional features and modes which were mostly excised or left unmentioned for the ''Transformers'' release of Ultra Magnus. Principally, Powered Convoy came packaged with "Powered Buggy", who was left out of Magnus's release (see [[#Notes|notes below]] for further details). Omitted from Magnus's instructions is the ability of his chestplate and super robot head to combine to form a small vehicle; the Powered Convoy version of the figure included small rolling wheels on the underside of the chestplate which were removed for Ultra Magnus. Additionally, three additional modes were included in the ''Diaclone'' instructions that Hasbro left out: a "preparation base" mode and an "Autobot base" mode were excluded entirely, while the third, a "catapult launcher" mode originally intended and proportioned to accommodate the ''Diaclone'' Jet Robo figure that became [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], was shown only on the front of his packaging, interacting with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]. The Japanese release of Ultra Magnus—released as part of the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#Toys 2|Scramble City]]'' sub-line—''did'' include instructions for the preparation base and catapult launcher modes, but replaced the original Autobot base mode with a new configuration.

:The original Ultra Magnus figure has been reissued and redecoed several times down the years, and this article strives to list each edition of the figure under its own heading. The first alteration to Magnus, however, was a [[variant|running change]] made while he was still on shelves: Originally, his tires were made of [[rubber tires|rubber]] and he sported paint on both his small and large robot heads, but this version was soon replaced with one featuring plastic tires and no paint on either head. In addition, the clear yellow plastic that formed his windows was removed from the cab, leaving just holes instead; and his thighs and fuel tanks were left white, as opposed to the vacuum metalized chrome ones of the original release.

:The small robot component, as well as being part of Optimus Prime, was also released with a different trailer as [[Pepsi Convoy]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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[[File:PowermasterOptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My Japanese release has a lot more bling. And shorter stacks.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Powermaster, 1988)
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin [[Particle beam cannon|Particle Beam Cannons]], Super Robot head

:Powermaster Optimus Prime was the first new toy of the Autobot leader since the original toy's release in 1984. He is an all-new design, featuring the [[Powermaster]] gimmick: His partner figure, Hi-Q, must be transformed into an engine and attached to Prime's vehicle mode in order to enable the transformation into robot mode.

:Like the original figure, Powermaster Prime is composed of two major components: his truck cab, which transforms into Prime himself, and his trailer, which is essentially a heavily-armed version of the original. The trailer has a fold-down ramp to allow the storage of a smaller Transformer, or perhaps spare accessories. The trailer transforms into a battle station armed with two long black rifles and two grey double-barreled cannons (featuring seating for Powermaster engine figures), all of which Optimus Prime can also wield in his fists.

:Aside from the Powermaster feature itself, the main [[gimmick]] of the toy is the ability of the truck cab to combine with the trailer to form the larger "Super Optimus Prime" figure. This is essentially accomplished by standing the trailer up, folding the cab in half and inserting it into the empty cavity in the trailer's torso, forming an imposing—if almost entirely unposeable—robot form armed with all four weapons. The head of this super robot form is a separate piece which can be stored in the rear of Prime's trailer when not in use. While Hi-Q was always shown plugged into Prime's chest in artwork of this mode (as seen in the picture here), this was actually entirely unnecessary as transforming into Super Optimus Prime didn't require the standard Prime toy's legs to be unlocked.

:The Japanese release of Powermaster Optimus Prime actually represented a new character named [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]], and featured several retools: the cab featured die-cast metal, shortened smokestacks, vacuum-metalized plastic and clear blue windows, while the trailer was given retractable super robot fists. This Japanese version was eventually issued by Hasbro in 2003 as part of the [[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] collection ([[#Commemorative Series|see below]]).

:This toy was later redecoed into the Japanese-exclusive Nucleon Quest Super Convoy.

:There were several different prototypes made for this toy. [[#Powermaster Optimus Prime design history|See a list here]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optmiusprime.htm More information on Powermaster Optimus Prime on TFU.info]''

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[[File:ActionMasterPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Eastbound and Down.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' 2 Laser Guns, Galactic Pulverizer Gun Barrels, 4 Blaster Cannons, 2 Energon Exhaust Stack, Photon Bazooka

: The largest [[Action Master]] set, this incarnation of Optimus Prime is a non-transforming action figure which comes with the "[[Armored Convoy]]", a large, heavily armed tractor trailer. The cab of the truck transforms into a small jet that can seat one Action Master figure, while the trailer itself converts into a larger battle station with turrets that several Action Masters can man. The sculpt of the Prime figure itself is closely based on his [[character model]], albeit with a coloration that seems to have been based at least partially on the small robot form of his Powermaster body.

:The Action Master Optimus Prime figure was later redecoed with a more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] color scheme and included in the Japanese-exclusive "New Year" reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy in 2002.

:Also, unlike the one seen in the commercial, the final product loses paint operations of Optimus Prime's upper legs.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Action Master Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Euro classics optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Original Optimus Prime''' (Original Autobot Leader, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:This straight reissue of the original Optimus Prime figure was released in Hasbro's European markets in the early 1990s, at the same time as many other Generation 1 figures were being re-released as "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]". Oddly, although he shares their golden packaging, Prime is not actually ''identified'' as a "Classics" figure anywhere on his box, but is generally considered to be part of the sub-line for simplicity's sake.

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*'''Convoy''' (reissue, 2000)[[File:2000 japanese prime reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:The first in what would be a deluge of reissues of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure in the 21st century, this Japanese release sported a golden sticker on his packaging announcing the celebration of the Transformers' 15th anniversary in the country. It featured slightly modified fists to help hold the gun better.

:Simultaneously, this figure was available as a black convention-exclusive redeco, and a golden-chromed "[[Lucky Draw figure]]" (see below).

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[[File:Jafcon convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Not the first [[Black Lio Convoy|black Convoy]], but the first that wasn't a clone.]]
*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2000)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (black), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Released concurrently with the 2000 reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this [[black repaint|black redeco]] of the original Prime was available exclusively at the Japanese convention JAFCON. ''Everything'' about it is black, including all of the Combat Deck and Roller.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Cybertron/JAFConvoy/jafconvoy.htm More information on JAFCON Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy convoy gold version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's a gold digger/way over Cybertron.]]
*'''Convoy Gold Version''' (2000)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (gold), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Released concurrently with the 2000 reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this "[[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]]" redeco of the original Prime replaced all of the figure's silver chromed parts and stickers with golden ones, and even included a blinged-out Roller. The figure is extremely rare; apparently only 25 are known to exist.

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[[File:Nucleon quest convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Epic Black repaints are the right of all toy collecting beings.]]
*'''Nucleon Quest Superconvoy''' {{sic}} (2001)
**''ID number:'' '''C-307X'''
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head

:This redeco of the Ginrai tooling of the Powermaster Optimus Prime figure (released concurrently with the 2001 reissue of the Ginrai figure) was a Toys ''R'' Us Japan [[exclusive]] black repaint, made to represent the original Optimus Prime equipped for a special mission. All of his red and blue plastics were changed to black, his clear blue windows were now tinted red, making his overall colour scheme very reminiscent of the now-familiar '[[Black Convoy (disambiguation)|Black Convoy]]' color schemes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/NucleonQuestConvoy/nqconvoy.htm More information on Nucleon Quest Super Convoy at TFU.info]''

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*'''Convoy (Tokubetsu Shiyō)''' (2002)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''[[File:New year convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
**''Accessories:'' 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, Action Master Optimus Prime figure, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Matrix of Leadership]], chain, Autobot sticker sheet, mouse pad

:Labeled "2002 New Year Special", this Japanese-exclusive "Special Specification" (特別仕様 ''Tokubetsu Shiyō'') of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure featured tinted blue windows, like those sported by the "Goodbye Convoy" edition of the toy, as well as show-accurate blue eyes. Prime came with all his original accessories, including ''both'' versions of his rifle, as well as a new die-cast metal Matrix of Leadership accessory, which can be tabbed into his chest. Additionally, the set included a show-accurate redeco of the Action Master Optimus Prime figure, a sheet of Autobot [[insignia]] stickers of varying sizes, and a mouse pad decorated with the Autobot symbol.

:The Matrix accessory was later recolored in gold chrome for inclusion with the 2005 [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron reissue toy]], and in green chrome as the [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Creation Matrix]] for the [[e-HOBBY]]-exclusive [[Galvatron II#Toys|Galvatron II]] toy. It returned to its original silver coloration when it was included, sans chain, in the 2010 ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers: Reveal the Shield]]'' "Battle in Space" 2-pack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/NewYearsConvoy/nyconvoy.htm More information on New Year Special Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy BAPE convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Trukk not munky|TRUKK...''AND'' MUNKY?]]]]
*'''Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver.''' (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in July 2011, concurrently with a range of exclusive Transformers t-shirts, "Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver." (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® Ver.) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new green color scheme, along with a tan trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese Optimus Prime packaging.
::*''[http://bape.com/transformer Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. on BAPE.com]''

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[[File:G1toy BAPE ConvoyBlack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime at his audition for ''The Artist''.]]
*'''Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK'''<ref>Or "Ver. Black Camo," in ''[[Transformers Generations 2012]]''.</ref> (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2012)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in April 2012, "Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK" (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® Ver. BLACK) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new grey color scheme, along with a grey trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese packaging.

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[[File:G1toy BAPE ConvoyRed.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Three times faster than the original BAPE version.]]
*'''Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO'''<ref>Japanese listing on the BAPE website. The accompanying English text reads "01 CONVOY BAPE VERSION RED CAMO".</ref> (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in March 2013, "Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO" (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® VERSION RED CAMO) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new red color scheme, along with a red trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese packaging.

::*''[http://www.bape.com/transformers_3 Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO on BAPE.com]''

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[[File:TF-Commander-Convoy-Box-Gold-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|For the people who wanted this for the S.T.A.R.S. kit, I have bad news for you.]]
*'''Transformers 35th Anniversary Commander Convoy''' (canceled)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right)

:Released as part of the "Transformers 35th Anniversary Commander Convoy Box Crowdfunding Project" kickstarted by TakaraTomy and ''[[TV-Kun]]'', this Convoy is a gold-chrome-and-redeco of the ''Generation 1'' Optimus Prime figure, featuring a more balanced deco compared to the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Gold Convoy Trophy|Gold Convoy Trophy]] (at least until [https://twitter.com/Televi_Kun/status/1152244044598132742 the second prototype reveals that the entire body is chromed]). Despite being etched on a trophy stand, Convoy is able to transform into truck mode, albeit facing upwards.

:In addition, the set also comes with a replica of the [[S.T.A.R.S.]] supply kit, a S.T.A.R.S. badge, a Transformers Fan Club card, a poster, and a Transformers Mook.

:Crowdfunding began on July 1st until August 31st, with a total of 2000 backers needed. Unfortunately, it only reached 840 backers with a total of 16,650,000 yen out of 33,600,000 yen needed.

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===''Transform Jr''===
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[[File:Convoy Junior toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's kid brother.]]
*'''Convoy''' (1985)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

: As one of the first ''[[Transform Jr]]'' toys, this version of Optimus Prime was released under the early name for the series, ''Transform Gōkin''. As a smaller, simplified version of the original Generation 1 Prime figure intended as a low-cost alternative for younger children, Prime features a similar transformation, with a removable head in addition to fists, but lacks rubber tires and translucent windows. As with most other ''Transform Jr'' figures, he lacked any of his major accessories, coming only with his rifle and a cardboard replacement for his trailer that had to be assembled by the buyer.

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[[File:Transformjr hero set.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The true Heroes of Cybertron]]
*'''Cybertron Hero Set''' (multipack, 1987)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Prime was re-released a few years later in a "Hero" set alongside the ''Jr'' versions of [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys|Fortress Maximus]].

*'''5 Years of Leaders Set''' (multipack, 1989)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

:Prime was again re-released several years later in a lucky Draw "5 Years of Leaders" set alongside the ''Jr'' versions of Rodimus Convoy, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys|Fortress Maximus]], God Ginrai, and Star Saber.
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===''Return of Convoy''===
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[[File:StarConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Star Convoy''' (Powered Master, 1991)
**''ID number:'' '''C-372'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, [[Micro Trailer]], Microcarrier, small cannon, cannon turret stand, radar, connector, 2 ramps

: As the final new-design Optimus Prime toy from the original Generation 1 era, the Japanese-exclusive Star Convoy was a significant departure from previous versions. This incarnation of Prime transforms into an extended-hood cab truck of made-up model pulling an implausibly large trailer, incorporating the motorized "Microcarrier". [[Motorized movement|Powered by four AA batteries]], the Microcarrier drives Star Convoy either forward or backward, spinning a radar dish mounted on the rear of his trailer as he rolls along. Prime's teammate in the [[Battlestars]], [[Grandus (G1)|Grandus]], can link up to the rear of Star Convoy's vehicle mode and be pulled along behind him; [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] can then land atop Grandus, forming a giant vehicle.

:Unlike previous Optimus Prime toys, the cab section does not separate from the trailer for transformation, instead forming the arms of his imposing 12-inch tall robot mode. He lacks any sort of leg articulation in this mode, but the Microcarrier comes into play again, allowing Prime to roll either forward or backward into action.

:Additionally, Star Convoy transforms into a large battle station that interacts with the [[Micromaster]]s that made up the vast majority of the ''Transformer'' toyline at the time. His chest contains a peg that allows Micromaster figures to stand inside it in either robot or base modes, and he comes with a unique Micromaster version of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|Hot Rod]] not available on its own. He features storage space in his legs for two spring-loaded figure-launching [[Micro Trailer]]s, and comes with one of his own, decorated in a unique black and orange color scheme. In this mode, two ramps are connected to the Microcarrier; when the carrier's treads are set rolling, they do not move the base, but instead act as conveyor belts that carry Micromaster figures down the ramps. The Microcarrier also spins a gun turret mounted between the conveyors, on which Micromaster figures can stand. Finally, a special connector packaged with Star Convoy allows the Microcarrier to be connected up to Grandus's base mode, powering his moving elevator.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on Star Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:StarConvoy reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Star Convoy''' (reissue, 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''C-372'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, [[Micro Trailer]], Microcarrier, small cannon, cannon turret stand, radar, connector, 2 ramps

:Star Convoy was reissued by Takara in 2005, with some notable alterations to his deco: his white plastic was replaced with metallic silver, and the yellow star on his chest was chromed golden. Star Convoy himself retained some of his original decals but most notably his "simulated head lights" and "wind shield panels" were stamp graphed on him, similarly, Hot Rod's were replaced with the same stamp graphing applications. Additionally, where the original toy had been packaged in robot mode in a tall box decorated with the standard Japanese package art of the time, the reissue was packaged in vehicle mode, in a long, wide box more reminiscent of the original Generation 1 toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on reissue Star Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==''Generation 2''==
[[File:G2Prime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I AM OPTIMUS PRIME.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (1993, 1994)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (light blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles, sound and lights module

:The first ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime toy is a [[redeco]] of the original Generation 1 figure release with some notable new additions to catch him up to the radical 1990s. While his cab robot retained his original red and blue color scheme, his trailer was recast in black, with the original blue and silver striped sticker replaced with a red and silver one displaying Optimus's name. On the first release of the trailer, the internal components and Roller matched the blue of the cab robot. Later, the internal components and Roller were changed to a lighter blue. Another running change followed, making the dark blue of the cab robot match this lighter shade. A bright yellow "Autobot" [[tampograph]] was also added to the back of his right leg.

:''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime comes with all his original accessories, as well as two major new play features. To increase his arsenal, Optimus is now armed with a pair of large, black handheld missile launchers that fire red missiles. These launchers were retooled from the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' figure [http://www.yojoe.com/action/92/barricade.shtml Barricade]. Second, he comes with an electronic "sound and lights module" that can either plug into the front of the trailer (where it resembles a trailer refrigeration unit), or hook onto Optimus's back in [[robot mode]] via a new slot retooled into the cab robot. Unfortunately, the soundbox is heavy enough that doing so can often overpower Prime's hip joints, causing him to topple backward. The soundbox features a large, [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metalized]] Autobot symbol on its front, and three grey buttons which trigger two flashing red LEDs on either side of the module, and [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/c/c6/G2OptimusNoises.ogg a trio of sound effects]: a truck engine noise, a laser gun sound effect, and a very loud "I am Optimus Prime!". The module also features ports on either side into which the missile launchers can peg.

:How the sound module handles batteries is an oddity among Transformers before or since. As G2 Optimus came out during a transitional period where button cell batteries were still fairly expensive, the module uses AA batteries by default, but was originally packed with a small bracket for included LR44 batteries that overrides the AA compartment completely to support the "Try Me!" feature in the box. The original intent is to discard the bracket once the LR44s run out and switch to several AA batteries, but if one were to keep it, the electronics can work equally well solely off far fewer button cell batteries.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Generation 2 Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:CombatheroPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|BE A HEEEERO]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Hero, 1994)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''TRF-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, 2 rockets

:[[Hero (G2)|Hero]] Optimus Prime was the first new-mold Optimus Prime toy created for the ''Generation 2'' line. He transforms into a Kenworth truck of unknown model which defies Optimus convention by being one continuous unit, rather than the traditional cab-and-trailer combo. Decals form the windows of a faux truck face to represent his chest, featuring both his name and what appears to be a [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|life support readout coming alive towards the end]]. In addition to a small gun, he is armed with a large missile launcher, which can fire a rubber-tipped rocket by means of a bellows which you slam your fist down on to produce a puff of air. The launcher is accessible in both modes, ending up mounted on his right forearm in robot mode; the bellows is attached via a rubber hose and cannot be disconnected, but stores on the figures's back when not in use, as do the rockets. A similar air-launching system with identical missiles was used by the simultaneously-released [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Hero Megatron]], and by Laser Optimus Prime the following year (see below).

: This mold was also used to create [[Sureshot (G2)|Sureshot]] and the [[KB Toys]]-exclusive [[Destructicon (RID)|Destructicon]] [[Scourge (RID)#Destructicon|Scourge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Hero Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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*'''Laser Optimus Prime''' (1995)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon", "[[Laser Rod (weapon)|saber weapon]]", missile launcher, 10 missiles, 5 discs, 2 rockets
[[File:G2toy laser optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|What was that about shoulder-speakers, Jazz?]]

: Laser Optimus Prime (released in Europe under the name "Laser Rod Optimus Prime") transforms into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX, pulling a grey and black fuel tank trailer. The sides of the trailer are decorated with a sticker depicting Prime using a flamethrower to burn down a banner with the words "Optimus Prime Octane" on it. The truck is armed with a disc launcher on the roof of its trailer, which launches five blue discs bearing the ''Generation 2'' Autobot insignia as a knob is turned. Like the other "[[Laser Rod|Laser]]" toys released this year, Prime features electronics powered by two button-cell batteries; in truck mode, pressing the button on the cab's roof causes his headlight to light up with yellow LEDs.

:In the grand Optimus tradition, the cab of Laser Optimus Prime disconnects to become the highly poseable robot mode of Prime himself. Like Powermaster Prime and Hero Prime, the toy features the iconic windshield pecs and grill abs, despite not actually being formed from the actual truck components they emulate. In robot mode, pressing the button on Prime's cab (now on his back) activates a red LED in his right fist which illuminates his clear-plastic sword (which stores beneath his legs in truck mode).

:Prime's trailer unfolds via a spring-loaded transformation mechanism in a battle station that is positively ''bristling'' with varied weaponry. In addition to the disc launcher, it is armed with a "ripple-fire" missile launcher that fires five missiles, an air-powered rocket launcher like the one previously seen on Hero Optimus Prime, and a small laser cannon that mounts on the base's main tower. Both the missile launcher and laser cannon can disconnect and be held by Prime; his LED-fist will illuminate the laser cannon like it does his sword. Additional missiles and a second rocket are stored in grooves inside the sides of the trailer.

:This mold was redecoed by Takara in 2000 as ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Car Robots]]'' [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]], sans electronics. The following year, it was released by Hasbro as Black Convoy's [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' franchise]] counterpart, Scourge, with retooled discs that lacked the Autobot insignia and a blunted sword, again sans electronics. Following this, the next use of the mold was planned to be ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Toxitron (Universe)|Toxitron]], which ended up being canceled. The modified Scourge tooling was also used when Laser Prime was reissued by Takara in 2006 with a modified deco ([[#G2reissue|see below]]), and for the e-Hobby exclusive [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#G-2|Laser Ultra Magnus]] that accompanied the reissue's release, with electronics restored. In 2015, ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition Year of the Goat]]'' Optimus Prime, another repaint version, comes with partially transparent plastic torso.

:In addition to being the most popular Generation 2 figure, Laser Optimus Prime was, prior to 2003, a regular contender for most popular Transformers toy ''ever'', back in the days of the annual [[alt.toys.transformers]] fan awards; the toy won twice, and actually lost once to his redeco, Scourge.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Laser Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G2toy gobot prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sweet ride, Prime]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Go-Bot, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun

: A redeco of the ''Generation 2'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[Firecracker]], Optimus Prime transforms into a red Hot Wheels-sized Lamborghini Diablo. Like most Go-Bots, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly. He is armed with a small red laser rifle. The plastic colors are a "solid" version of Firecracker's color layout, substituting opaque red for transparent red plastic.

:The Japanese release of this toy swapped out the orange plastic for neon yellow, and had a large tampograph on the car's hood that was shaped like a stylized letter 'T', with the Transformers logo in it. Going against the grain, this toy was released in Japan with the name "Optimus Prime" instead of "Convoy".

:In Europe, this deco was sold as Firecracker himself rather than Optimus Prime (at least in the French/Dutch/German packaging variant). The sculpt was later redecoed again for the third wave of Go-Bots to become [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Go-Bot|Sideswipe]] (who Prime ''really'' looks a lot like), and later still into the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Spy Changer]] [[R.E.V.]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrimeGobot/optimusprime.htm More information on Go-Bot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Hero, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, 2 rockets

: This Optimus Prime was to be a redeco of Hero Optimus Prime in dark blue and red. Packaged samples of this toy were produced, but it was ultimately never released.

:The packaged samples feature a "traditional" color scheme for the head, with a silver [[mouthplate]]; the prototype depicted in the official catalog image seen on the right sports an unusual ''red'' mouthplate, which inspired several later toys.

:Since much of the advertising for the ultimately unreleased redeco used an older, outdated name for the "Heroes" assortment, "Combat Heroes", Optimus and an equally unreleased redeco of "Hero" Megatron are commonly referred to by fans as "Combat Heroes" compared to the original "Heroes" releases, although all evidence suggests that Hasbro had never actually intended such a distinction, instead treating them as mere color [[variant]]s. Though the packaging is mostly unchanged (including a reuse of the existing packaging art depicting the original release's color scheme), one of the few minor alterations sees the addition of the name "Hero" (rather than "Combat Hero") to Optimus Prime's name above the (otherwise unchanged) UPC barcode.

:A finished sample of the Hero Optimus Prime redeco was among the rare toys auctioned off for charity at [[BotCon 1996]], along with several other unreleased ''Generation 2'' items.

::*''[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Prototypes/Generation2/HeroOptimusPrimeProtoMOSC.html "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in packaging at Super Toy Archive]''
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/generation+2/blue+optimus+prime/3654 "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in packaging at Transformers @ The Moon]''
::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/g2/combat-hero-optimus-prime/3429/1/ "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in and out of packaging at Seibertron]
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*'''General Optimus Prime''' (Auto Roller, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Four missiles
[[File:Un autorollers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]

: "General" Optimus Prime would have been a redeco of the Decepticon [[Auto Roller (G2)|Auto Roller]] [[Dirtbag#Toys|Dirtbag]] in green, ironically bearing a closer resemblance to [[Hound (G1)/toys|Hound]]'s color scheme than the also-unreleased [[Hound (G1)/toys#Generation 2|"Sgt. Hound"]] Auto Roller. General Optimus Prime would have transformed into a dump truck, and would've had an [[autotransformation]] gimmick.

: This mold was also used to make [[Autostinger#Toys|Autostinger]].
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[[File:LaserPrime reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Battle Convoy''' (reissue, 2006)
**''ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon", "saber weapon", missile launcher, 10 missiles, 5 discs, 2 rockets

:This reissue of the original ''Generation 2'' Laser Optimus Prime figure was made using the modified version of the mold created for ''Robots in Disguise'' Scourge, lacking the sculpted ''Generation 2'' Autobot insignias on the disks featured on the original. It sported a modified deco, with the flat grey plastic on both the trailer and Prime's chest now replaced with silver chrome; additionally, new Autobot symbol tampographs were added to the doors of Prime's cab mode and the front end of his trailer, and a pair of new chest-window stickers featuring an illustration of the Matrix of Leadership replaced the original decals.

:This version of the mold was used to create the e-Hobby exclusive Laser Ultra Magnus, and somewhat more perplexingly, was briefly [[repurposing|repurposed]] by the [[Master of the Game|second]] ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' text story as a temporary body for [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity#Beast Wars Reborn|Optimus Primal]]!
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==''Beast Wars''==
{{Note|Very early in the life of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' toyline (before the debut of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon), Hasbro treated the series as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and so Optimus Primal was presented as being the same character as Optimus Prime.}}

*'''Optimus Primal vs Megatron!''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-6'''[[File:BWtoy-Primalbat.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm Batman, and I can breathe in space.]]
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:The first ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]] is a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removable from under its wings for use as weaponry in [[robot mode]]. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:This figure was released during the short-lived period when Hasbro was treating the Beast Wars as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and Optimus Primal was presented as being the same character as Optimus Prime. This was soon relegated to the realms of [[micro-continuity]] when the ''Beast Wars'' animated series began and clearly established that the two Optimuses were different characters, but the toy remains one that was officially branded as Prime, and is consequently listed here.

:This mold was also used to make the [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Prime-recolored Convobat]], the separate individual [[Convobat#Toys|Convobat]], [[Onyx Primal#Toys|Onyx Primal]] as well as inspire the comic character [[Nyx]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimalBat/optimusprimal.htm More information on Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, that's just Prime.]]
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic one, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in his fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barreled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of his back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or bend in and out at the elbow, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. This gimmick was shown to be an effort to simulate a gorilla beating its chest while Optimus was in [[beast mode]], but could also be used in robot mode, making him swing his weapons wildly before himself. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"[[mutant head]]" could be deployed over his robot head.

:Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. The missiles for the Takara version are thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:Just like Optimus Primal's basic bat toy, this figure was released during the short-lived period when the Beast Wars was still considered to be an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and Optimus Primal was the same character as Optimus Prime. This was soon relegated to the realms of [[micro-continuity]] when the ''Beast Wars'' animated series began and clearly established that the two Optimuses were different characters, but the toy remains one that was officially branded as Prime, and is consequently listed here.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Optimus Primal and [[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha Series]] DX Convoy, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''[[TV Magazine]]'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''TV Magazine'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), and blue-fur (a ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' design-contest prize, only five awarded).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on ape Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BW-toy OptimusPrimalCDROM.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Freedom is the right of all superstitious, cowardly lots. Wait, no, that's not right...]]
*'''Amazon Showdown Special Version''' (1997)
**''ID number:'' '''VS-S1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
: Available only in a special CD-ROM two-pack with a [[Megatron (G1)/toys#VSS1|purple redeco of "Megaligator"]], this redeco of "Convobat" takes his colors from [[#HeroOptimusPrime|the first ''G-2'' Convoy toy released in Japan]] and retains his previous gimmickry. His back features a silver Maximal [[Insignia|faction symbol]] plus "C-ROM", as in "Cybertron", get it? Huh? And Megatron has the "D-ROM"? See what they did there?

:The toy's [[bio]] clarifies that this Convobat is Optimus Prime, having had a trailer truck alternate mode and later scanning a bat to fight Megatron.

:The included CD-ROM includes the bios from wave 1 of the ''Beast Wars'' toyline, the [[Commercial/Beast Wars#Wave 1 Deluxe|first ''Beast Wars'' commercial]], and a coloring game.

: This mold was also used to make [[Onyx Primal]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/ConvoyBat/convoybat.htm More information on CD-ROM Convobat at TFU.info]''
::*''[https://ameblo.jp/aburachoujin/entry-12545863577.html Review including CD-ROM images at aburachoujin's blog]''
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==''Machine Wars''==
[[File:MW-toy OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Most Autobots [[Primus apotheosis|aspire]] to be Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime aspires to be [[Thunder Clash]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Ultra, 1997)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, 2 missiles

: Available only at [[KB Toys]], ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] and slight [[retool]] of the European Generation 1 exclusive [[Turbomaster]] leader [[Thunder Clash#Toys|Thunder Clash]]. It's easy to see why Thunder Clash was chosen to become the new Optimus Prime, given his adherence to Prime tradition: the truck cab disconnects to become the robot, while the trailer unfolds to become an assault tower with twin missile racks. On the original Thunder Clash version of the mold, the racks operated on a gravity-feed system where a new missile drops into the launcher from above each time one was fired, allowing for twelve to be fired in rapid succession using a pinball launcher style mechanism.
:For ''Machine Wars'' Prime, this feature had to be retooled [[for safety reasons]], sealing the gravity feed slot and cutting the original launcher plungers down to just the handles, which do not move. The small missiles were replaced with much larger new molds to prevent choking hazards and triggers were added to the sides of the launchers, becoming regular spring loaded (and unusually powerful) single-firing weapons. There seems to have been some disconnect between the deco artist and whoever handled the redone Thunder Clash [[sticker]]s, as some stickers replicate details already handled by paint on the figure. Like the other four large Machine Wars figures, no guide exists in the instructions to show how said stickers should be applied. Also not noted in the instructions is that the handgun is meant to serve as the drive shaft for the cab, storing between the legs on the backside.

: The [[package art]] for this toy is a retouched version of the art for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Laser Optimus Prime (see above), but now positioned so one robot arm is always "off the edge" of the box and unseen - conveniently hiding the sword this toy has never had, yet leaving the Laser Prime faceplate intact.

: This version of the mold was planned to be [[redeco]]ed into [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] for the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' line, but the release was canceled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Machine Wars'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Choro-Q Robo''==
[[File:ChoroQOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy TV Version''' (2001)
**''ID Number:'' '''Q/01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:''[[Choro-Q|Choro-Q Robo]]'' Convoy is a small, cutesified transforming figure of Optimus Prime that changes from trailer-pulling truck directly to [[robot mode]]. The toy features a working pull-back motor, and is decorated in a color scheme based on Prime's appearance in the original Generation 1 cartoon, with blue eyes and windows and a grey stripe on the trailer.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Cybertron/ChoroQConvoyTV/convoy.htm Move information on Convoy TV Version at TFU.info]''

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*'''Convoy Metallic Version''' (2001)
**''ID Number:'' '''Q/02'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:This version of ''Choro-Q Robo'' Convoy is a redeco of the first, featuring glittering metallic plastic, and a deco based upon the original toy, with yellow eyes, black windows, and a silver-and-blue stripe on the trailer.
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==''Commemorative Series''==
[[File:Commemorative series optimus prime modifications.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The snip that launched a thousand snits.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2002/2012)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:The first reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy in North America since the Generation 1 toyline reached its end, this "[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]" edition of the figure was a Toys"R"Us exclusive. It was ''mostly'' identical to the original figure, save for some necessary modifications made [[for safety reasons]]: In the first instance of what would become a recognizable alteration to the mold, the toy's smokestacks were shortened, while the Combat Deck's firing missiles were elongated to prevent potential choking, as was the case with all other Commemorative Series figures' firing missiles. This release also had the trailer's launching feature removed.

:In 2012, a reissue of the Commemorative Series toy was released. Though the "Commemorative Series" label was not printed anywhere on the packaging, the included instructions retained the name. The toy itself is a mix of different versions. The cab has the safety modifications of the original ''Commemorative Series'' release, including the shortened smokestacks and longer missiles (and thicker rifle), but also has the modified hitch of the 2011 ''Chronicle'' two-pack (see below). Meanwhile, the trailer features the lighter gray plastic colors used for the 2008 ''Universe'' release, and the Autobot insignias on the robot's shoulders are tampographed (like on Takara's ''Encore'' version and Hasbro's ''Universe'' 25th Anniversary release). This version also seems to suffer from [[Mold#Deterioration|mold deterioration]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Commemorative Series Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:GodGinrai toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The real one has a longer missile]]
*'''Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor''' (2003, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head, missile launcher, 2 missiles, [[Apex Bomber]] chest/trailer top, 2 legs (left & right), 2 arms (left and right), Armor chest/trailer front, 2 wings (left & right)

:Marketed as a reissue of Powermaster Optimus Prime, this Toys"R"Us-exclusive Commemorative Series figure is in truth based on the Ginrai tooling on the toy that had previously been exclusive to Japan. It features a die-cast metal cab with translucent blue windows, and shortened, chrome smokestacks, and comes packaged with the drone [[Apex Bomber]] (formerly Ginrai's partner [[Godbomber]]), who splits into several components and combines with Prime to form "Apex Armor". As with all other Commemorative Series figures, Prime's new spring-loaded missile launcher featured an elongated missile.

:The figure was re-released in Hasbro's Asian markets in 2012, with no known changes to the figure itself but several modifications to the packaging that makes it easy to tell the two releases apart: The flap containing the [[package art]] is omitted entirely, the "Commemorative Series II" label is missing, the age recommendation and safety warning labels, the "Changes from double tractor trailer to battle station to super robot!" call-out and the name of the toy have all been shuffled around (with the words "battle" and "super" being omitted in the process), and most notably, the toy is no longer named "Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor", but simply "Optimus Prime", with Apex Bomber's existence no longer acknowledged anywhere on the packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/ApexPrime/apexprime.htm More information on Powermaster Prime with Apex Armor at TFU.info]''
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==''The Transformers Collection''==
[[File:Tf collection 0 convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (2002)
**''ID Number:'' '''0'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, [[energon-axe]]

:As yet another in an increasingly large number of reissues of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this entry in the Japanese-exclusive ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' line of reissues added a few extra goodies to spice things up. Chiefly, the figure was armed with a new [[energon-axe]], based on the weapon used by Prime in the Generation 1 cartoon episode, "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]", which plugs into either of the headlight-holes that normally accommodate Prime's fists. Additionally, Prime came packaged with a ring binder folder designed to hold the pull-out character file sheets that were included with all the other ''Transformers Collection'' reissues. Notably, this figure reinstated the original, thick version of Prime's rifle as the standard for all future Japanese reissues.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Transformers Collection Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Tfcollection prime fist.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Starscream''' (2003)
**''ID Number:'' '''9'''

:This redeco of the original Generation 1 [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] [[Starscream (G1)/toys|toy]] came packaged with a remolded right fist for Optimus Prime. This fist featured additional pegs that allowed it to hold [[Megatron (G1)/toys#TFCStarscream|the pistol mode Megatron accessory]] which was also included with Starscream.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Destron/AnimeStarscream/starscream.htm More information on Transformers Collection Starscream at TFU.info]''
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==''Smallest Transforming Transformers''==
[[File:WSTF Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You didn't find my trailer, did you? Haw haw.]]
*'''Convoy''' (2003)
**''ID Number:'' '''GTF 01A'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster

:Standing only two-and-a-quarter inches tall, ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime was the smallest fully transforming G1 Optimus toy for a while, at least until the release of his chubby super-deformed [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Q-Transformers]] versions. He features an accurate transformation sequence based on the original full-sized toy, replacing the detachable hands with actual sculpted fists, and even including a tiny version of his laser rifle. Unsurprisingly, he also has little articulation and is only capable of moving his arms and legs.

:His trailer and Roller were also available as a separate set in the same wave, as a rare [[shortpacking|shortpacked]] figure with the ID number "GTF-01B". It is a simplified version of the original Combat Deck, lacking features like the interior deco and the lift arm of the artillery robot, but still nonetheless looking fairly accurate to the original toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Cybertron/SmallestPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wstf anime convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy (Anime Version)''' (2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''GTF 06'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster
:''Smallest Transforming'' Prime was redecoed the following year for the second wave of the line, into a color scheme based on his Generation 1 cartoon appearance featuring brighter reds and blues, white thighs, yellow details on his bumper, and blue eyes and windows. This version of the figure was made available for a second time in the next wave ("Wave 2.5"), with a new anime-decorated version of the Combat Deck now available as a rare "chase" figure.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestAnimePrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Convoy (Anime Version) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wstf white convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy (White)''' (2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''GTF X-4'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster
:Another version of Prime was also available in the second wave of the ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' series as a chase figure. This almost entirely white version of the figure is clearly based on the version of the original Prime cab robot used in the Generation 1 Ultra Magnus figure, but was nonetheless sold as Optimus Prime for the ''Smallest'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestConvoyWhiteMode/convoy.htm More information on Convoy (White) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wstf vsx.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Can't you guys ever get along?]]
*'''Convoy vs Megatron''' (multipack, 2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''VSX'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster
:Available exclusively as a freebie through the September 2004 issue of [[Dengeki Hobby]] magazine, this ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' two-pack contains both Optimus Prime and Megatron, in homage to the original 1984 "VSX" giftset containing the original versions of the two leaders.
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==''Mini Toy Shop Collection''==
[[File:G1toy mini toy shop convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|'Cause we got a li'l ol' convoy, rockin' through the night...]]
*'''Convoy''' (2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''01'''

:At about 2/3 the size of the ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'', this diminutive version of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy is the smallest figure of the Autobot leader made to date. It was sold as part of Takara's blindpacked ''[[Mini Toy Shop Collection]]'' line, a series of miniaturized figures from numerous classic Takara toylines, including ''Transformers'', ''[[Microman]]'', ''[[Licca Kayama|Licca-chan]]'', ''[[Choro-Q]]'' and others. Both of Prime's modes are represented by non-transforming individual figures, which come together in a two-pack. In-box, his truck form is even packed in a miniature recreation of his original Japanese packaging, which also includes a shrunken version of his sticker sheet. A tiny version of the original Takara Transformers catalog completes the set.
::*''[http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=3541&mode=flat More information on Mini Collection Convoy at tformers.com]''
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==''Masterpiece''==
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-1-Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|And the fandom rejoiced. ''(Takara Masterpiece Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:TF-MP-20th-Anniversary-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|''(20th Anniversary Version Pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime'''/'''Convoy''' ([[December 11]], [[2003]]/2004)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer (Japanese release only)

:''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime was produced for the stated milestone of the ''Transformers'' brand. So successful was the figure that ''ToyFare'' magazine ultimately ranked it #1 in their quest for "Best Toy Ever".<ref>[http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/toyfare/000054376.cfm ToyFare Magazine Best Toys Ever]</ref>

:Created with the specific purpose of producing an Optimus Prime as accurate to the original animated series as possible, the toy is exceptionally poseable compared to toys prior, partially constructed from die-cast metal, features rubber tires and vacuum-metalized plastic and is heavily detailed, with sliding pistons in its joints and working spring-loaded suspension in vehicle mode. The figure also contains multiple non-intrusive gimmicks, such as a moving [[mouthplate]] to emulate Prime's traditional method of speech, flip-up communications panels on the forearms depicting images of [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], and an opening, light-up Matrix chamber in the chest, which contains a removable vacuum-metalized Matrix of Leadership that can also be pulled open. The Matrix is housed within a removable gray battery box which can light up the matrix core when activated.

:Optimus Prime comes with many accessories in addition to the aforementioned Matrix, including the character's traditional laser rifle, now termed (and henceforth known as) an [[ion blaster]]. The initial release of the figure cast the ion blaster in grey plastic, but later assortments recast it in its more familiar black coloration. Other accessories include a transparent orange energon-axe that plugs into either wrist when Prime's fist is retracted, and even a non-transforming gun mode Megatron weapon, with removable stock, silencer, and scope accessories, in homage to [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)|several]] [[The Insecticon Syndrome|instances]] in the Generation 1 cartoon when Prime was forced to wield his enemy. Pack-in bonuses that came with the figure included an inner cardboard tray illustrated to resemble the interior of Prime's Combat Deck, and in later releases, a small poster drawn by [[Pat Lee]].

:Optimus has a hidden sculpted mouth underneath his face mask, though attempts at removing the mask from the head may entirely damage the action feature.

:Takara's version of the figure was released in their markets slightly earlier, as the first of their long-running ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' line. In addition to coming with a cardboard trailer that the buyer could assemble to "complete" Prime's truck mode, Takara's release differed from Hasbro's by featuring longer smokestacks (kept short on the Hasbro version [[for safety reasons]]), and lacking the black scorch-marked "battle damage" paint applications Hasbro included on the figure's shoulders, wrists, and abdomen. In Western markets, the figure was intended to complement the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' line.<ref>[http://www.camphortree.net/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt Steve-o's OTFCC 2004 notes]</ref>

:This sculpt was redecoed by Takara into a golden Lucky Draw figure and later released in its original coloration with a trailer as a "Perfect Edition" (see below for both), while Hasbro would later redeco it into their ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]''-branded "[[#Classics|DVD Edition]]". The mold was also used to make ''Masterpiece'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] and "[[Eldedroid|Convoy Black Version]]", representing one of many drones built in Prime's image, rather than Prime himself.

:In ''[[Transformers History Collection]]'', a [[Blindpacking|blind-packed]] Transformers trading figure line, Takara released an add-on hand for ''Masterpiece'' Convoy as a [[Chase figure]]. The hand holds a [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] figure and clips on to the end of Optimus Prime's arm, making the arm slightly longer than normal.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/20thPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Gold masterpiece prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|We salute the brave soul who transformed this thing in order to photograph it.]]
*'''Convoy''' (Lucky Draw figure, [[2004]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer

:Offered as part of a Lucky Draw campaign in August 2004, this extremely rare version of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy is almost entirely vacuum-metalized gold, lacking any other painted detail or stickers. The parts which are not viable are molded in a flat golden plastic; the only exceptions are its rubber tires, the core of the Matrix and the energon-axe, which remain black, blue and orange, respectively. Whether or not the figure was intended to evoke Optimus Prime's [[:File:Goldenlagoon prime perceptor.jpg|entirely-golden appearance]] in the cartoon episode "[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]", when he was coated with [[electrum]], is unknown; given that entirely chroming a figure gold is a fairly standard deco for Lucky Draw figures, it may just be happy coincidence more than anything else.

:The figure comes packaged in the standard ''Masterpiece'' Convoy box, with the only telltale sign of its fabled contents being the replacement of the traditionally silver foil lettering on the box with gold. It's not clear how many were made, but it is thought to be no more than 10 or 20.

::*''[https://web.archive.org/web/20080501195324/http://www.goldoptimusprime.com/?show=Gold-Optimus-Prime More information on gold ''Masterpiece'' Convoy at GoldOptimusPrime.com (via Internet Wayback Machine)]''

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[[File:MP04Convoy2.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|You just paid $170 for a big box on wheels.]]
*'''Convoy Perfect Edition''' ([[September 28]], 2006/2009)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-4'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, ion Blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer

:For this re-release of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy, Takara submitted to the biggest desire fans had for the figure and produced a full-size, fully transforming plastic and die-cast metal trailer. The trailer opens up into Convoy's Combat Deck, with storage for its accessories and a functional repair drone, though Roller is conspicuous by its absence. Like the original Combat Deck, the drone can extend through holes in the roof and front of the closed trailer, and the interior has enough room to accommodate one ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' figure in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. Some reports suggest that the paint on this figure's chest chips more easily than past editions.

:This version of Convoy, and Hasbro's 20th Anniversary DVD version of the toy depicts [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] on its communicators rather than Bumblebee and Starscream.

:Continuating the trend begun by their previous release of ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus in 2005, Hasbro [[Australia]] released Convoy Perfect Edition as a Target Australia [[exclusive]] in 2008. Takara themselves then made the figure available for a second time in October 2009.

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[[File:MP4Sconvoysleepmode.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Remember that scene from the movie that made you cry and traumatised you as a kid? Well now you can display me doing just that!]]
*'''Convoy Sleep Mode''' (2010)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-4S'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, ion Blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe

:Released by TakaraTomy as part of a 2010 promotion honoring the "future era" of the original cartoon (which was set in 2010 in Japanese continuity, you see!), this exceptionally morbid re-release of the ''Masterpiece'' Convoy figure recolors the Autobot leader in blacks and greys, representing ''his dead body'' from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''—but don't worry, kids, it's actually a "sleep mode", according to the figure's name! Limited to 2010 pieces in Japan (see what they did there?), it comes with all its customary accessories, including the Perfect Edition trailer, redecoed where appropriate: the trailer itself has become translucent, its energon-axe is now transparent grey, and Megatron, in another movie homage, is rendered in translucent purple, evoking the scene depicting his transformation into [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]]. The figure was also released in other parts of Asia as a limited edition of 2010 as well, combined with the Japanese edition for 4020 total. The Japanese version denotes "Serial Number in Japan: ####/2010" on its bio card with the number out of 2010, while the Asian version denotes "C1 - ####/2010" with the number out of 2010 on its bio card.

:This version of Convoy depicts [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Hot Rod]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] on its communicators.

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[[File:MPtoy last shot convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Well, it had to end ''some'' day...]]
*'''Convoy Last Production''' ([[March 26]], [[2011]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1L'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, sound stage

:"Convoy Last Production" was the final re-use of the ''Masterpiece'' toy mold before it was at last retired after numerous re-releases and redecos. The figure is essentially identical to the original Japanese MP-1 release, aside from a slightly brighter red, and the addition of the words "LAST SHOT" in Transformers typeface molded into the small of Convoy's back, hidden beneath its headlight-flaps in [[robot mode]]. Lacking the trailer of MP-4, the figure instead comes with a redecoed version of the electronic base included with Hasbro's "[[#20thDVD|DVD Edition]]" of the figure from five years prior, which now features a collection of sixteen soundbytes of Convoy delivering famous lines from the Japanese version of the Generation 1 cartoon, recited by the character's original Japanese voice actor [[Tesshō Genda]]. The base was promoted as containing a hint as to the identity of the next ''Masterpiece'' toy; as it would turn out, this was a new version of Convoy himself (see below), foreshadowed by a sound clip on the base which played only intermittently, and which had Convoy announce that he would "soon be reborn".

:For its release in Korea, Hasbro Asia provided a [[collector coin]] featuring truck-mode Optimus Prime on one side and "MP-01L" on the other. The coin came mounted on a card featuring lineart of the Autobot leader's head, the stark black design of which could be mistaken for promoting the earlier "Sleep Mode" release. The limited release (and general lack of enthusiasm for the collector coins in Korea) makes this one of the more difficult Masterpiece coins to find.

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[[File:MP-10 toy photo.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Here we go again...]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[September 24]], 2011, 2016)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#mp10|Ion blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mp10|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#mp10|energon-axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#mp10|trailer/Combat Deck]], [[Roller (G1)#Masterpiece|Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Masterpiece|Spike Witwicky figurine]]

:MP-10 Convoy, advertised as a "perfect new model" on its packaging, is an entirely new tooling of Generation 1 Optimus Prime. Convoy is now smaller, making him more in-scale with other recent ''Masterpiece'' toys, such as [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Rodimus]], and comes with a trailer and various accessories. While the front of the vehicle mode's cab is an accurate depiction of a mid-to-late-1980s Freightliner FLT cabover, the back half, (which is, as usual, made out of Convoy's legs) is much larger and robot-leggier in proportion. (So much that they sculpt a ladder on each side.)

:Many of the small features and electronics of the original ''Masterpiece'' mold are left out. Instead, this Convoy features better overall cartoon accuracy (chest interior, head, etc.), an extensive red paint job that covers much of his red plastic, corrected robot mode proportions, improved articulation, and its gun can now collapse and store inside a compartment on its back in either mode. In addition to Convoy's trailer, which can transform into Combat Deck, it also comes with Roller, a small Spike Witwicky figurine, a die-cast metal Matrix of Leadership (with a clear blue plastic center), and an energy axe that slips over Convoy's right hand. Spike can fit inside the cab in vehicle mode, ride in Roller's seat, or fit into any of the seating compartments inside Convoy's trailer. Roller has options to plug in Convoy's gun or pull Convoy's trailer, and the trailer itself can store Convoy's weapons in any mode. Although not easily breakable, care must be taken for posing the index fingers; extending the finger even far would cause it to pop off.

:Being a brand new and intricate remake of the Autobot leader, MP-10 was used as the gold standard in terms of scale for future Masterpiece figures, with all the upcoming releases being sized to best match him. Much like his older incarnation, he was also cherished by collectors, generating heated debates on which version is the best one up to this day.<ref>https://www.google.pt/search?q=mp01+vs+mp10</ref>

:On the other hand, this mold also became a staple source for various [[knockoff]]s, ranging from recolored to upscaled/downsized figures.

:This figure was re-released in 2016, with the packaging now advertising the "Long Life Design" award which the ''Masterpiece'' line won that same year.<ref name="lldaward">[https://www.g-mark.org/award/describe/44648 Good Design Long Life Award: Transformers Masterpiece]</ref> This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-10B Black Convoy]].

:''See also: [[#mp10hasbro|MP-10 Hasbro]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Masterpiece|Hasbro Masterpiece]].''
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[[File:Bape-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|In the jungle / the mighty jungle / the Convoy sleeps tonight]]
*'''MP Convoy (BAPE ver.)''' ([[2014]]-[[August 19|07-19]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10A'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#mpbape|Ion Blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mpbape|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#mpbape|Energon axe]]

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in 2014, MP Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. is a trailer-less redeco of the MP-10 mold sporting a green color scheme matching the [[#bape|Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. of the original G1 toy]], with "BAPE's famous camouflage pattern" and an ape head print on the shoulder replacing the usual faction symbol.

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[[File:Eva-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Unlike Shinji, this guy won't go strangling his girlfriend or dating his mother's clone, if he even has a mother...]]
*'''Convoy Mode "Eva"''' (2014-[[November 28|11-28]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#eva|Ion Blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#eva|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#eva|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#eva|trailer/Battle Station]], [[Roller (G1)#eva|Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#eva|Spike Witwicky figurine]]

:Exclusive to the [[TakaraTomy Mall]] and limited to 1,000 pieces, this figure was released as part of the ''[[Transformers × Evangelion]]'' crossover. It uses the MP-10 mold with all the same accessories, decoed in the green and purple color scheme of [[Evangelion Unit-01|Eva-01]]. The trailer, Roller, and Spike figure are done up in [[Nerv]]-themed colors.

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[[File:Bape2-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Because one overpriced clothing store exclusive MP10 repaint wasn't enough. Anyone like to give the odds for a BAPE Ver. BLACK in 2017 then?]]
*'''Convoy (BAPE REDCAMO ver.)''' (2015-11)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10R'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in 2015, MP Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. is a trailer-less redeco of the MP-10 mold sporting a unique deep red color scheme matching the [[#bapered|Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. RED of the original G1 toy]], with "BAPE's famous camouflage pattern" and an ape head print on the shoulder replacing the usual faction symbol.

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* '''Optimus Prime''' Mini Die-Cast figure (2016-[[November 26|11-26]])
**''ID number:'' '''1'''
**Included with '''[[Inferno (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-33 Inferno]]'''

:Replacing the collector coins in previous releases, the Asia release of ''Masterpiece'' Inferno comes with a mini Optimus Prime figure, the first in a range of non transformable collectables made from <s>lost art</s> Die-Cast metal and based on the corresponding Masterpiece figure (MP10).

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[[File:Bapeblack-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|As predicted. What's the chances of a new BAPE color scheme? Teal Blue or Burnt Gold would be nice if you're reading this BAPE.]]
*'''Convoy (BAPE BLACKCAMO ver.)''' (2017)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10K'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in 2017, MP Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. is a trailer-less redeco of the MP-10 mold sporting a unique black color scheme matching the [[#bapeblack|Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK of the original G1 toy]], with "BAPE's famous camouflage pattern" and an ape head print on the shoulder replacing the usual faction symbol.
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[[File:MP711-Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|At your 7-Eleven, freedom's waiting for you.]]
*'''Convoy (7-Eleven ver.)''' ([[February 28]], [[2018]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-711'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Matrix of Leadership, energon-axe, trailer, Roller, Spike Witwicky figurine

:Available exclusively from Japanese 7-11 stores, MP-711 is an [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]]-decoed Convoy—white with green and blue highlighting—themed with [[7-Eleven]] logos. Unlike most MP-10 redecos, he comes with a trailer, Roller, and Spike figure, who is sporting a 7-Eleven uniform. Roller and the combat deck come with 7-Eleven logos, however Convoy's shoulder logos are stickers with the option of a green 7-Eleven logo or the standard Autobot logo on either shoulder.

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[[File:MP-10ASL.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Anyone up for a game of [[basketrek]]?]]
*'''Convoy (atmos safari LeBron Ver.)''' ([[March 15]], [[2019]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10ASL'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe

:Exclusive to Japanese Atmos stores, this deco of Optimus matches Atmos Safari LeBron James sneakers, in a fetching scheme of vibrant orange plus black and gray with extra details and logos. Unfortunately he does not come with a [[ballobot]] accessory.

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[[File:Masterpiece-MP44-Convoy-V3.jpg|upright=3|thumb|All this for the low, low price of an arm, a leg, and your firstborn son! (Note: [[The Master Builders (episode)|Basketball accessory]] not included.)]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[August 31]], [[2019]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-44'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, 2 beam effect parts, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe, damaged head, alternate head, Starscream head, Starscream shoulder intakes, damaged chestpiece, jetpack, trailer, Roller, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Masterpiece|Spike Witwicky figurine]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky#Masterpiece|Sparkplug Witwicky figurine]], [[Carly#Masterpiece|Carly figurine]]

:An entirely new mold released to commemorate the brand's 35th anniversary, the third ''Masterpiece'' Convoy is a much more complex and cartoon-accurate figure than previous releases. At 50,000 yen (approximately $450 USD), this Convoy had the highest MSRP of any mass-market ''Transformers'' toy until ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron]]'' [[Unicron/toys#War for Cybertron|Unicron]]'s $575 price tag was announced.

:Alongside the Trailer (which retains the same function and can hold 4 standard-sized Autobot cars at a time when open), Roller, the Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, and Energon Axe, the Combat Deck's base can be removed and with the new flip-out wheels, Roller (now cast in stark grey with silver rims) can tow it around. The cannon and arm section can also be removed so it can function as a flight stand, while an adapter for [[Dinobot (BW)#Masterpiece|MP-41 Dinobot]]'s display stand is also included, and the Ion Blaster now has 2 effect parts, which can simulate blaster fire and when used with the Sideswipe rocket pack included, can be used as booster flames. He also comes with a fuel hose like that on the original figure, as well as a soundbox feature that can be switched between recorded lines by the character's original Japanese ([[Tesshō Genda]]) and English ([[Peter Cullen]]) voice actors, with transformation effects (though the ascending and descending transformation sounds are spliced together in his English voice) and Douglas Walsh music to boot! As to note, Cullen's clips are closer to the recent [[Aligned]] portrayals.

:Like [[Megatron (G1)/toys#MP36|MP-36 Megatron]], Convoy includes a battle-damaged head and an abdomen cover to replicate the war wounds in the climatic battle in the movie, and alongside a newly designed figure of Spike, he comes with two of Sparkplug and Carly, any of them capable of riding inside via 2 small doors on the side of the cab. A second alternate head is based on his head's rounder design seen in the first season of the cartoon and the Marvel Comics. His accessories can be stored in the trailer's removable undercarriage.

:This figure, with the included intakes and alternate head in place, also doubles as [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP44|Starscream]] from "[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1]]".

:Unfortunately, Convoy has been known to suffer from differing quality control issues. Because of a design flaw, certain plastic parts in his lower ratcheted knee joints tend to build stress during movement and eventually break. Furthermore, grey and yellow paint in parts that tend to get scratched and bumped during transformation have been prone to paint chipping. Some units have come with their [[For safety reasons|soft plastic]] ear antennas on different heads warped in-package. The human minifigures can have their ball jointed limbs rather easily popping out of their sockets and misassembled ( in this case, Carly with her groin part in reverse from the front).

:Unlike MP-01 and MP-10, this version of Convoy did not get a fully localized Hasbro release for English-speaking markets. However, it is being imported by Hasbro through numerous retail outlets with additional branding using the localized Optimus Prime name and presumably with the same Hasbro-branded slipcover and English safety sheet given to other contemporary ''Masterpiece'' releases. In Canada, the figure is being released as an EB Games exclusive, where he'll cost even more than the game consoles sold there! Hasbro's online product description neglects to mention the voice box gimmick, possibly due to English-speaking audiences' unfamiliarity with Japanese ''Transformers'' media and the fairly late reveal of his English-language voice clips.

:This mold was redecoed as [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Black Convoy]], with the sound gimmick removed, and without the trailer, battle damaged, and Starscream parts.
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*'''Convoy (atmos duckcamo Ver.)''' ([[March 26]], [[2020]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10DC'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe
:Exclusive to Japanese Atmos stores, this deco of Optimus matches Atmos Safari Duck sneakers, in a fetching scheme of greens plus vibrant orange.
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*'''Convoy (atmos ELEPHANT CAMO Ver.)''' (black plus vibrant teal)
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*'''Convoy (atmos VIOTECH CAMO Ver.)'''(light grey plus light gold)
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*'''Convoy (atmos TIGER CAMO YELLOW Ver.)''' (yellow and black tiger stripes plus white)
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==''Robotmasters''==
[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My vehicle mode is dangerous and unroadworthy!]]
*'''G1 Convoy''' (2004)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

: ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' "G1 Convoy" (as he is amusingly referred to even in fiction) visibly takes its cue from ''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime, featuring a similar sculpt, but sharing few to none of the larger toy's other attributes, least of all anything that could be described as a successful transformation.

:G1 Convoy comes with two sets of fists, each pair featuring differently-shaped fist holes: one pair with square holes to hold the figure's "Convoy Gun" (as his ion blaster is called), and the other with round 3mm-compatible holes to hold the spring-loaded translucent blue missile launcher (a generic accessory also available with ''Robotmasters'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Beast Megatron]] and [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Beast Convoy]]). The fists are swapped out by simply popping them out of the wrist-hinge that holds them in place; the figure also includes an energon-axe that can be inserted into the wrist instead of a fist.

:Due to being molded in translucent plastic, the waist section is prone to breakage, so exercise some caution.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Convoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RM DVDConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm shiny!]]
*'''G1 Convoy + DVD''' (2004)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-10'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

: This special edition release of G1 Convoy is decked out in metallic paint and a tint of yellow for his eyes, with an extra Autobot insignia tampographed onto his right shoulder, and a black Convoy Gun. The figure comes packed with a DVD containing the first episode of the ''Robotmasters'' cartoon, "[[Fight! The Group of the Strongest Commanders!]]".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/DVDConvoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy + DVD at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Rmblackconvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm blacky!]]
*'''G1 Convoy Limited Black Version''' (2005)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right), Calamity Defenser

: Available only via mail-order through ''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine, the "Limited Black Version" of G1 Convoy is just that: a straight [[black repaint]] of the G1 Convoy toy. He comes with all his original accessories, appropriately redecoed (including a silver version of his axe), as well as a gold-chromed version of the "Calamity Defenser" [[solitarium]] weapon that came with [[Psycho-Orb]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/HHG1Convoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy Limited Black Version at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Crayola convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The third one is totally ''Shattered Glass'' Prime!]]
*'''G1 Convoy''' (Lucky Draw figure, 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

:When ''Robotmasters'' G1 Convoy was turned into a Lucky Draw figure, the color scheme into which he was redecoed was chosen through a children's coloring contest held in the pages of the December 2004 issue of ''[[TV Magazine]]''. The winning entry was a... ''startling'' mixture of blue, orange and two shades of green, earning the toy the [[fandom|fan]]-appointed nickname of "Crayola Convoy". As with all Lucky Draws, it is extremely rare, with only ten units produced.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/transformers+robot+masters+-+lucky+draw+custom+colour+g1+convoy/1594/transformers+robot+masters+-+lucky+draw+custom+colour+g1+convoy.html More information on "Crayola Convoy" at LuckyDrawTransformers.com]''
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==''Universe'' (2003)==
[[File:SpychangerG1Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Why won't they repaint my full-size toy in these colours?!?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Spy Changer, 2004)

: ''Universe'' Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)#Spychanger|Scourge]] [[Spy Changer]] toy. He replaces most of the black plastic with predominantly red and blue, with silver for detailing, with an overall deco making him resemble the original Optimus Prime. Like most Spychangers, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly.

: Originally a KB Toys exclusive, the first release of this toy (and the others in the assortment) did not have any sub-line designation at all, but later releases for other chains, most notably "budget" chains like Family Dollar, marked them as ''Universe'' product.

:This mold would later be redecoed into [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Optimus Prime Figure|a Spy Changer version of]] the live-action movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/SpyPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Universe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Collector's Edition''==
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[[File:G1-toy OrionPax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Welcome to The Past!"]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (2005)
**''ID number:'' '''67'''
**''Accessories:'' "Barrelroller" robot/"electromagnetic lift handle", "laser rifle"

: This ''[[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]]'' Japanese [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive is a [[redeco]] of [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] [[Kup (G1)/toys#Targetmaster|Kup]], released in conjunction with [[Kup (G1)/toys#The Transformers Collection|Kup's 2005 reissue]] in ''[[The Transformers Collection]]''. He transforms into a Cybertronian pickup truck, and is colored to represent [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Orion Pax]] as he appeared in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 television series]] episode "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]".

: Like the Kup reissue, he comes with both the original release's gun and a [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]], in this case [[Roller (G1)#Collector's Edition|Barrelroller]], a redeco of [[Recoil (G1)#Toys|Recoil]]. The original-release rifle has been slightly retooled to fit in the wider fist-holes of the Targetmaster vesion of the mold.

: Just as the reissued Kup came with a reissue of [[Wheelie (G1)#The Transformers Collection|Wheelie]], this set also included a redeco of Wheelie as Orion's best friend, [[Dion (G1)#Toys|Dion]].

: This figure was recreated years later [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Tribute2Pack|under the]] ''[[Transformers Tribute|Tribute]]'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/OrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on Orion Pax at TFU.info]''
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==''Hybrid Style''==
*'''Convoy''' (2006)
**''ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02'''[[File:THS02Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Expensive and tiny.]]
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, [[jet pack|rocket pack]], 8 hands (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand

: ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime is an ''insanely'' detailed and complex transforming toy, created under the supervision of famed mecha designer [[Shōji Kawamori]]. Standing only three and three-quarter inches tall in robot mode, the figure is partially constructed from die-cast metal and features one of the most complex transformation sequences ever seen on a ''Transformers'' figure of its size. Alas, the small size of the figure also works against it, as it required several design concessions that resulted in (if we're being nice about it) an unimpressive cab mode.

:Prime is loaded with a ridiculous number of features and accessories. The robot itself is highly poseable, and both the smokestacks on Prime's shoulders and the fuel tanks on his legs can be rotated forward to act as guns, even featuring sculpted detail to this effect. As ever, he comes with a trailer that opens up into his crazy-detailed Combat Deck, featuring more action features than ever before. In trailer mode alone, it features a flip-down support stand so it can stand alone, a spring-loaded pop-out ramp instead of a fold-down one, and when the trailer is split for transformation, the traditional support legs underneath automatically swing out into place. The trailer houses most of Prime's accessories, including his ion blaster (with a moveable ammo clip to allow for multiple poses) and energon-axe, as well as his classic gas pump accessory, now with a poseable wire instead of a rubber hose. Two fold-out compartments provide storage space for six of Prime's interchangeable fists, while the other two remain attached the robot: two clenched, two open, a pointing right fist, a tilted left fist (for holding the ion blaster's ammo clip), and two fists with slots to grip the miniscule Matrix of Leadership that fits in a tiny chamber in Prime's chest. The Combat Deck's artillery robot features two flip-out handles that Prime can grip as if aiming the drone's guns, and Roller is also included, with three different 3mm ports to hold Prime's gun and gas pump. Lastly, Prime comes with a rocket pack like those used by the Autobots in such Generation 1 cartoon episodes as "[[Dinobot Island, Part 1|Dinobot Island]]", and a stand shaped like the Autobot insignia that allows him to be displayed in mid-air, as if in flight. The rocket pack also has 3mm ports for Prime's weapons, and stores on the front of the trailer in vehicle mode.

:Purchase of a ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime at a Japanese [[Toys"R"Us]] store allowed the buyer the option of also purchasing the exclusive ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Hot Rod]] toy.

:The toy also received a Hasbro release 11 years later under the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#YOTR2017|''Platinum Edition'']] line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Cybertron/HybridConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Hybrid Style Convoy on TFU.info]''

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[[File:THS-02B G2Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yanigerlicious!]]
*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2006)
**''ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02B'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, rocket pack, 8 fists (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand, 2 missile launchers, 2 heads

:Available exclusively through e-Hobby, this black and teal repaint of ''Hybrid Style'' Convoy features the traditional "[[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]]" color scheme, but represents a version of Optimus Prime himself. In addition to all the original accessories, the toys also includes several more deliciously metatextual goodies, themed around the ''Generation 2'' toy and comics: two new large guns patterned after the new weapons wielded by the ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime toy, and two additional (blue) Prime heads that can be swapped with the figure's regular noggin, sculpted explicitly in the style of [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] artist [[Derek Yaniger]]. One head is pristine, the other decorated to match the battle damage seen on the cover of the [[War Without End!|first ''Generation 2'' issue]].

:As the more franchise-savvy TransFans may realise, these extra parts, plus the black trailer of Convoy Black Version, can all be used to modify the original, red ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime into a comic-accurate ''Generation 2'' version, complete with a black trailer, trailer-mounted guns and your choice of Yaniger-style heads.

:This figure came in a unique box, packaged with a [[Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version|mini-comic]], both illustrated by [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]].

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[[File:TF-Hybrid-Style-THS-02-Convoy-Black-Gold-Ver.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Texas tea.]]
*'''Convoy Black Gold Version''' (November 25, 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, rocket pack, 8 fists (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand, 2 missile launchers

:Available ''only'' in China markets, Convoy Black Gold Version is yet another black repaint of the first ''Hybrid Style'' Convoy figure, with some gold detailing. Convoy Black Gold Version does not include any extra accessories unlike the Black Version release above.
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==''Alternators''/''Binaltech''==
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[[File:Alternators OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I don't come with a creepy girl...]]
[[File:Convoy BT.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|...and neither do I...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2006)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''21'''
**''Binaltech ID number:'' '''BT-22'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun

: ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' Optimus Prime transforms into an accurate 1:24 scale Dodge Ram SRT-10. The vehicle mode features rubber tires, functional steering, opening hood, tail gate and doors with a detailed cabin interior. Several of the details of his [[robot mode]] body are based on the sculpt of the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime figure, but the head itself shares more similarities with the Powermaster mold. He is armed with a small pistol which transforms into his vehicle mode engine.

:This figure was originally conceived by Hasbro to be another character (exactly who is unknown), rather than Optimus Prime, but Takara insisted that the toy be made into Optimus to help it sell well in their markets, as the vehicle mode was no particular draw, given its scarcity in Japan. Reportedly, the figure cost twice as much as other Alternators to construct, so Hasbro had to bow to this demand so Takara would help fund it. Ironically, Takara eventually wound up soliciting the figure ''not'' as Prime, but as his ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' lookalike, [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]] (perhaps connected to the Powermasteresque headsculpt), before its Japanese release was cancelled and moved over into the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' toyline (see below).

: It took two further years, but this figure was eventually released as part of the Japanese counterpart to the ''Alternators'' line (''Binaltech'') in 2008. ''Binaltech'' Convoy features some additional paint details, like his silver pelvis, additional patterns on his shoulders, and red paint on his engine-gun, and like all ''Binaltech'' figures, he also includes die-cast metal pieces. Unlike previous Binaltech releases, a bio-card was not included.

:This sculpt was also used to create ''Alternators'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]].

::*[[Source:Transformers Binaltech bios#22|Archive of ''Binaltech'' Convoy's bio and tech specs]]
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/AltOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Alternators/Binaltech Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==''Kiss Players''==
[[File:Kiss Convoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|...And yet, I do!]]
*'''Convoy X Melissa''' (2006)
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun, "[[Surfblade]]" surfboard/sword weapon, [[Marissa Faireborn]] figurine with stand and 2 pairs of arms and legs

: ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' Convoy is a redeco of ''Alternators'' Optimus Prime. While the figures may appear similar at first glance, given that ''Kiss Players'' Prime is still red, blue and black, there are many subtle differences, not least of all the replacement of the ''Alternators'' figure's bare, flat red plastic with a deep metallic red paint. Several of his body parts are cast in different colors of plastic (for example, his shins, formerly black, are now blue, while his formerly-blue hands are now black), and he features more intricate paint applications on his shoulders, and especially his pelvis, which is decorated to look like Prime's traditional bumper.

:In addition to the small engine-pistol of his ''Alternators'' figure, Prime comes with the "Surfblade", a pink surfboard that can be reconfigured into either two small knives or a large double-bladed sword. As with all the ''Kiss Players'' figures, Prime also comes with a [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of a cute girl: in this case, Marissa Faireborn, who can perch upon his shoulder or sit in his driver's seat, and comes with two pairs of interchangeable arms and legs. Additionally, the set includes a CD featuring the first five episodes of the [[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|''Kiss Players'' radio drama]], as well as the exclusive bonus audio adventure, "[[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)#CD collections and special episodes|Someday, Under the Sun]]."

:This set was originally intended to be released under the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' line, as "Black Convoy meets Marissa", but this release was cancelled before it was officially even announced.
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==''Titanium Series''==
[[File:TitaniumHeroes WWPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Well he ''is'' a car... in a car ''crash''.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, display stand

: Based on Optimus Prime's [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] form as seen in the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comic book "[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]", this version of Prime transforms into Cybertronian truck. The figure was personally designed by comic artist [[Don Figueroa]], who created the original comic design in the first place, and his signature is left on the figure in the most literal way: the word "DON" can be seen sculpted into the barrel of his silver ion blaster.

:As a ''Titanium'' figure, Prime is made in large part from die-cast metal, but like so many of the other toys in the ''Titanium'' line, his plastic joints have trouble supporting his heavy metal weight. He comes with the generic display stand shared by all of the 6" "Cybertron Heroes", with a unique removable nameplate.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/TitTWW6OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Titanium Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Titanium war within 2pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now we just need a [[Sherman Dam|dam]]....]]
*'''War Within Optimus Prime vs. War Within Megatron''' (two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:This [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] ''Titanium'' two-pack includes the previously-released ''War Within'' Optimus Prime figure along with the ''War Within'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Megatron]] Megatron figure and an exclusive [[variant]] cover of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' [[The War Within issue 5|#5]].

:As the mass retail release of the last waves of the ''Titanium'' "Cybertron Heroes" figures was delayed for several months, the two-pack version of Megatron was at least initially more widely available than the individually packaged one.

:Despite being mentioned in the joint [[instructions]] leaflet for the set, neither figure includes their display base.

:There appears to be a variant of this two-pack: One version has the Optimus Prime figure more or less identical to its individual release, whereas the other one drops the additional black paint weathering, making him much cleaner-looking.
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==''Classics''==
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[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Rub my symbol, Marissa. Oops, wrong toyline.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/laser cannon, wind vane/ion blaster

: ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Optimus Prime is an all-new modern Optimus Prime design based upon the original Optimus Prime, as is the intention for the ''Classics'' toyline. He transforms into a modern cab-over style truck of made up model, dominated by a large wind vane on his roof. As with most ''Classics'' toys, he features a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]].

:In [[robot mode]], his wind vane transforms into a large ion blaster, and his smokestacks transform into a smaller laser cannon. Additionally, both weapons can combine together to form a double-barrelled over-shoulder weapon. Undocumented in the instructions, Optimus can also use the wind vane as a shield, If one of his fists is folded down. The unusually high amount of yellow paint used throughout the body is supposed to emulate the yellow stickers from the original G1 toy. The toy has a trailer hitch, but does not come with a trailer.

:Unfortunately, the yellow paint on his forearms tends to flake off.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Classics Voyager Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:ClassicsPrime Vs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|They did me right, [[#20th_Anniversary.2FMasterpiece|once]].]]
*'''The Ultimate Battle''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

: This ''Classics'' Optimus Prime is a smaller, Deluxe Class figure with a noticeable physical resemblance to Takara's ''[[#Robotmasters|Robotmasters]]'' Prime figure, and a transformation that is about as successful. The figure is armed with a tommy gun-shaped laser rifle that transforms into a turret-like configuration and mounts on the rear of his truck mode, and features a spinning "power punch" action that sees the whole upper half of his torso spin when a button on his back is pressed. Pressing the button "unlocks" the spinning mechanism; pull ''hard'' on the button, and you can lock the torso back into place.

:In the United States, Prime was only available in a special two-pack with a similarly unique ''Classics'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron toy]], and the specially-produced "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle|The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD (which is, inappropriately enough, entirely about the [[Unicron Trilogy]]). The two-pack (including the DVD) was also available as a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] "Bonus Value" version with two randomly selected members of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]], in the combinations [[Overcast (Cybertron)|Overcast]]/[[Longarm (Cybertron)|Longarm]], Overcast/[[Deepdive (Cybertron)|Deepdive]] and Deepdive/Longarm. International markets, including European countries, saw the two-pack in a considerably smaller, differently-shaped box that was lacking the DVD case (the DVD was instead made available separately). In addition, Mexico, Singapore and some European countries such as the Netherlands and Hungary also received the two figures on individual cardbacks. For the United States market, the two-pack was [[rebranding|rebranded]] and re-released in [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|2003 ''Universe'']]-branded packaging later in 2007, available from Dollar General, Big Lots and [[KB Toys]], and ''again'' in [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']]-branded packaging in 2011, this time available from Dollar General and Big Bad Toy Store.

:This figure was later ''also'' made available without redeco as part of the "Leader for the Ages" two-pack released under the [[#Transformers (2007)|live-action movie line]] (see below) and saw several redecos for [[#Universe (2008)|''Universe'']] ("Special Edition", below), ''[[Welcome to Transformers 2010]]'' ("Sons of Cybertron", below) and [[#United|United]] (below).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsDVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Classics Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:DVD 20thPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Discounted at a Walmart near you.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (20th Anniversary DVD Edition, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leader, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, display stand

: Produced to coincide with the 20th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and its release on DVD by [[Sony]], this edition of Prime is a redeco of his ''[[#Masterpiece|20th Anniversary]]'' figure. It replaces the original's metallic paint with flatter colors and does away with any and all vacuum-metalized plastic, as well as altering several other small details across the body, like the color of the lights on his feet and chest.

:Prime comes with all the accessories of his previous release, although his ever-changing ion blaster is now somewhat confusingly cast in blue plastic. He features one major additional accessory: an electronic display base sculpted with the image of the Matrix and the Autobot insignia. Pressing the insignia's crest triggers a series of electronic soundbytes, mostly quotes from the movie recited not by original actor [[Peter Cullen]], but by Hasbro's in-house actor, [[Ron Hayden]]: "Autobots, transform and roll out!", "I want you to make a special run to Autobot City," "Megatron must be stopped!", "All we need is a little energon, and a lot of luck," and two samples of the classic [[Transformation#The noise|transformation sound effect]], one ascending, one descending.

:The display stand itself was later redecoed as a mail-in prize for TakaraTomy's ''[[Welcome to Transformers 2010]]'' promotion, intended to be used with ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus Convoy]], and again when it was packaged with the "Last Production" run of the Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/20thDVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on DVD Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:PepsiOptimusPrime.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|Subservience to Corporate America is the duty of all servile beings.]]
*'''Pepsi Optimus Prime''' (Autobot, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, ion blaster, trailer

:Inspired by the [[#The Transformers|1985 promotional version]] of Optimus Prime that featured Pepsi stickers on his trailer, this outlandish incarnation of Prime is a slightly altered version of Takara's 2005 [[Pepsi Convoy]] figure (which represented a different character to Prime). The figure was only sold by [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] at various conventions, and given away as a promotional prize by Pepsi, via their [[Mountain Dew]] brand.

:A redeco of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime cab robot sporting an egregious number of Pepsi-themed paint masks and details, Pepsi Prime's differences from Pepsi Convoy are minimal: he features the shortened smokestacks previously seen on the [[#Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] release of the mold, the blue pattern on his decals are different (matching the American Pepsi can/bottle look at the time rather than the one used in Japan), and also has a different layout for the Pepsi logo on his right shoulder. Like Pepsi Convoy, he comes with an entirely new trailer unit, specially designed to carry either a single 500ml (16.9 oz) size [[soft drink]] bottle, three 350ml cans, or 12 bottle caps (bottle cap figurines being a common and popular collectible item in Japan). In a first for the Prime mold, the figure's fists store in holes on the underside of the trailer while he is in vehicle mode. His ion blaster (which also stores under the trailer) is the first Hasbro reissue to feature the original, thick-barrel sculpt, which was reinstated to the mold by the ''[[#Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' release of Prime a few years prior.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/PepsiPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Pepsi Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Sports Label''==
[[File:NikemusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Comfortable ''yet stylish'' jogging is the right of all fashionable beings.]]
*'''Convoy featuring Nike Free 7.0''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster
:Surely one of the strangest examples of licensed ''Transformers'' products, ''[[Transformers Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' Convoy transforms into a ''shoe''. Something of a [[shellformer]], this baffling incarnation of Prime is colored primarily white and red in his alt mode of a realistic-looking (if notably undersized) Nike Free 7.0 sneaker, complete with gratuitously long real fabric shoelaces. In [[robot mode]], he is made instantly recognizable by his incorporation of some additional blue and silver in predictable areas, and a traditionally Prime-styled head. Less traditionally, and somewhat perversely, Prime's feet are sculpted in the likeness of his own sneaker mode, making it seem like he's wearing himself!

:His gun splits into two halves and stores inside his [[kibble]] in shoe mode; in an undocumented feature, it has two handle pegs on opposite sides, so that it can be held either at its far end or halfway along its length. The gun halves can also be plugged together in two different ways.

:This figure was, in fact, the ''only'' mold in the ''Sports Label'' line. It was redecoed into the "Marine Free" version of Prime himself (see below), and given a new head to create ''Sports Label'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Sports Label|Megatron]]''

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/SLConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Sport Label Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Sportslabel convoy marine version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's secret Magnus cosplay.]]
*'''Convoy featuring Nike Free 7.0 Marine Version'''
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster
:A redeco of the first ''Sports Label'' Convoy, this figure transforms into a white, navy, and grey sneaker. Promotional images for the figure depicted its robot mode as white and aqua-blue, but the finished product was visibly darker, produced in shades of off-white and dark teal. In either coloration, it sure as heck ''looks'' like it should be [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]], but for whatever reason... it ain't.
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==''Encore''==
[[File:Encore convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:A new series of reissues means a new release of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure, and Takara's ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' series proved no different. This edition of the figure featured no extra accessories, but it did include the original, thick-barrelled version of Prime's rifle, as reinstated to the mold by the ''[[#The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' version of the toy a few years prior. Both his blue and red plastics are lighter than normal, though not to the extent of Hasbro's subsequent 25th Anniversary release.

:Notably, this edition addresses the small but persistent issue of the Autobot insignias on Prime's shoulders: Ever since 1984, applying the stickers evenly had been a challenge due to small bumps the figure's shoulders are textured with. Like the [[Pepsi Convoy]] figure released two years prior, ''Encore'' Convoy replaces the stickers with [[tampograph]]s.
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==''Music Label''==
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[[File:MusicLabel-toy iPodConvoy.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|You just paid 140 bucks for a new headsculpt, didn't you? I bet you don't even ''own'' an iPod...]]
*'''Convoy —playing iPod speaker—''' (2007)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

: Hot on the heels of their licensing deals with Pepsi and Nike, TakaraTomy got themselves a slice of Apple™ pie and released Convoy —playing [[iPod]] speaker— as part of their small, musically-themed ''[[Transformers Music Label|Music Label]]'' line. This version of Prime is an all-white redeco of the original Generation 1 cab robot, which (much like the "Marine Version" of Prime from the ''[[#Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' line) makes it seem like he ought to be Ultra Magnus. The figure is actually even derived from the retool of the mold created for the original Ultra Magnus figure, as distinguished by the elongated hubcap pegs on the front wheels. Like Pepsi Prime before it, the figure's fists now store in peg holes on the under side of its trailer. The toy lacks any of the original Prime's stickers (even the silver stripe on his chest is now a [[paint operation]]) and includes the original thick-barrelled version of Prime's blaster. The toy features a brand new headsculpt based on the [[#20th Anniversary|20th Anniversary]] Prime figure, given additional poseability not previously seen on the figure by being mounted on a [[ball joint]].

:This, of course, is all secondary to the main draw of the figure: it pulls an all-white trailer, which transforms into a working iPod speaker dock by rotating a substantial wedge of its full length 90 degrees . The dock features three working buttons; power, volume up and volume down, as well as an Autobot sigil indicator light. Included is a wall-plugging (Japanese) A/C adaptor with a long lead that plugs into the reverse of the trailer. Although American importers shouldn't have too much trouble, those living in parts of the world using higher strength A/C current outlets should be warned NOT to simply plug the A/C adaptor in with only a socket adapter, as this will overload the device and fry it completely. Buying the appropriate kind of universal A/C adaptor with advice from an electronics specialty shop is recommended.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/MLConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Music Label Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Musiclabelprimewithdock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm gonna call you Peanut.]]
*'''Optimus Prime —speakers for iPod—''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

:Designated "Optimus Prime" rather than the traditional Japanese "Convoy", this figure is a redeco of the previous ''Music Label'' Convoy figure into the character's traditional red, blue and silver color scheme. Unlike previous re-issues of the mold, iPod Optimus Prime's sports a paint application similar to KissPlayers Convoy, having its ABS/PVC parts painted over with a thin layer of his iconic red, white (silver if you will) and blue motif paint applications (with the exception of his iPod docking trailer). This includes his trailer, though the effect is somewhat marred by the large, visible gap on one side. When reconfigured into dock mode, the interior surfaces surrounding the speakers are decorated with black-on-silver techno-patterns as well as three "Optimus Prime" logos. The recessed space also features a stylised, almost [[Frank Miller]]esque, high-contrast portrait of Prime's face, although this is largely covered when an iPod is inserted. The figure comes in identical packaging to the original ''Music Label'' Convoy, save for the addition of a sticker illustrating the different color of its contents.

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[[File:ExileTransformersSpeakers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The right of all sentient beings is... um... what am I promoting now? Wait, a Japanese pop band? Are you kidding me? I need a new agent.]]
*'''{{anchor|EXILE}}EXILE x TRANSFORMERS —speakers for iPod—''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

:Exclusive to [http://www.ldhshop.jp/ LDH Shop], this redeco of the ''Music Label'' Convoy toy is utterly ridiculous and was created as a promotion for the Japanese pop band {{w|Exile (Japanese band)|EXILE}}. While Convoy himself has EXILE written on his right forearm, his trailer sports the "Love Dream Happiness" tagline of LDH Inc.[http://www.ldh.co.jp/shopping/index.html], as well as the "EXILE Perfect Year 2008" logo of the "EXILE Perfect Year 2008 Ultimate Best Box" boxset, which was released some months after he was.
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==''Transformers'' (2007)==
[[File:Movie LeaderfortheAges 2pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The more things change, the more they, uh, get bigger guns.]]
*'''Leader for the Ages''' (Wal*Mart exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

: This Wal*Mart-[[exclusive]] two-pack pairs the deluxe-size ''[[#Classics|Classics]]'' Optimus Prime figure with [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] line's ''[[Fast Action Battlers]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Power Hook Optimus Prime]] toy. Both toys are identical to their original releases, and together represent the Optimus Primes of the oldest and newest generations (at the time) of ''Transformers'', respectively. The movie Prime is designated "2007 Optimus Prime", while the ''Classics'' figure is dubbed "1984 Optimus Prime" (referring not, of course, to the toy, which was produced in 2006, but to the character).
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==''Diablock''==
*'''Diablock Convoy''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01''' ('''Mecha Builder Vol.03''')[[File:DiablockPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| We have the technology. We can ''rebuild him''. Except, uh.. for his [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kre-O|face]].]]
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:Rounding out a bumper year of Japanese-[[exclusive]] Generation 1 Optimus Primes, the Takara-licensed Kawada brand ''Diablock'' Convoy is a fully transformable Lego-style block building figure similar in premise to the earlier American ''[[Built to Rule!]]'' sets. The ''Diablock'' figure, however, easily outstrips the ''Built to Rule!'' sets by both being an accurate representation of the toy on which it is based, and being able to transform between modes ''without'' having to be partially disassembled and put back together first.

:Forming a roughly 11-inch figure when fully assembled, ''Diablock'' Convoy is highly articulated, save for his head, which is only able to move up and down. Said head is also by far the most stylised aspect of the figure, with no real attempt to approximate Prime's face or mouthplate, instead featuring only a reversed block that gives the odd impression of a cycloptic eye. It is possibly intended to actually represent his forehead grill, as a yellow block inside his head construction remains barely-visible through a slit in his face, possibly intended to represent the classic toy's yellow eyes.

:The figure's [[transformation scheme]] is based on the original G1 figure, the only differences being that the fists are not removed but become the headlights, and instead of flipping backwards inside the chest, ''Diablock'' Convoy's noggin flips forwards with the aid of opening chest windows. A "laser rifle" in the shape of his ion cannon can be built from black bricks, and stickers bearing the Autobot [[Insignia|faction symbol]] can be placed on his shoulders, although this is not recommended as it is designed to permanently stick to multiple tiles which dislodge easily and may damage the sticker.
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==''Henkei! Henkei!''==
[[File:Henkei convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[March 13]], 2008)
**''ID number:'' '''C-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei! Transformers]]'' Convoy is a redeco of ''[[#Classics|Classics]]'' Voyager Class Optimus Prime. He features a significantly altered colour scheme, generally to make the toy more closely resemble his appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon and the original toyline. His truck mode features less silver paint striping, but compensates with a [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metalized]] grill/fender area. In [[robot mode]] all of his previously grey plastic is replaced with red plastic, with a majority of it being painted silver, chromed, or painted gunmetal gray. He features a different shade of red, blue, and clear blue plastic than the Classics version. Since ''Henkei!'' toys do not feature a heat-sensitive rubsign, ''Henkei'' Convoy has two Autobot sigils tampographed onto his shoulders.

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[[File:Henkei clear convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy Clear Version''' ([[June 19]], 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:This redeco of ''Henkei'' Convoy is cast almost entirely in translucent colored plastic. Also known by the nickname "Crystal Convoy" among fans, it was first released as an exclusive for the Japanese convention Tokyo Toy Fair 2008, limited to 1000 pieces at the event, but was later made available through [[e-HOBBY]]. It was sold in a monochrome-blue version of ''Henkei'' Convoy's regular packaging.

::*''[http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act491/index.php More information on Convoy Clear Version at TFkenkon.com]
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*'''Convoy''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:[[vacuum metallizing|Chromed]] entirely in gold like many other [[Lucky Draw figure]]s before it, this version of Prime was available only through a ''[[TV Magazine]]'' mail-in promotion held in December 2008, and was limited to only five units, making it one of the rarest officially available Transformers toys in the world.

:Unfortunately, this toy has become the target of several [[knockoff]]s aimed at gullible collectors. Most of the fake ones can be told apart from the real deal by various details not matching up. The real one is cast in gold plastic, painted over in gold chrome and sports small red Autobot [[insignia|logos]] on both shoulders.

::*''[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=12878&dispsize=600&start=0 Gallery of (hopefully) a genuine Gold Convoy at TFormers.com]''

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*'''Convoy''' (<s>2008</s>)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:A (technically) [[unreleased toy|unreleased]] [[black repaint|"black" redeco]] of ''Henkei'' Voyager-sized Convoy using the same plastic layout and paint mask but replacing red and blue with black, silver with gray, leaving the previously vacuum-metalized grill/fender area unpainted, changing the blue tint for the windows to red and changing all silver and yellow paint operations to blue. The red Autobot insignias would have remained unchanged.<ref name="blackgentei1">[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=9553&dispsize=800&start=0 Gallery of the unreleased ''Gentei! Gentei'' black Convoy at TFormers.com.]</ref>

:The figure would have come in a monochrome version of the standard ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Convoy's packaging, still named "Convoy" but now labeled as part of the ''Gentei! Gentei'' range of exclusives.<ref name="blackgentei2">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/universe-classics-20-29/transformers-henkei-wonderfest-exclusive-black-convoy-in-box-167615/ The unreleased ''Gentei! Gentei!'' black Convoy in packaging] at TFW2005.</ref> Reportedly, this figure was intended as a Wonderfest exclusive, but was canceled because, according too [[TakaraTomy]] designer [[Shogo Hasui]], it was too similar to ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Universe (2008)|Nemesis Prime]]. [[Knockoff]]s were later made available, so buyers beware!

:A minor redeco (replacing the Autobot insignias with Decepticon insignias, adding silver paint to the grill/fender area and changing the blue paint operations to teal) [[#UnitedBlack|was eventually released]] as a [[Tokyo Toy Show|Tokyo Toy Show 2012]] exclusive, now marketed as part of the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' line.
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==''Universe'' (2008)==
[[File:Universetoy 25th anniversary optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2|And the block has returned!!!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2008)
*''Series'': G1
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, sound effects module, comic, DVD

:Sold at the rather exorbitant price of $75, this re-release of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy is actually one of the most visually different from the other "straight" reissues of the mold, despite Hasbro's assurance that this is the toy you had as a kid. Positively ''anemic'' in comparison with the original toy, this Prime's red parts are visibly paler than usual, while his blue parts are much lighter (although the version released at Canadian retail reportedly sports a deeper shade of red again). This shade of blue extends to both Roller (a lighter blue than his traditional dark shade, yet darker than the lightest the figure has been in its history) and the internal workings of his Combat Deck, which is itself a much flatter shade of light grey, compared to its normal dark, swirled metallic silver color. In addition, the toy features the now-customary shortened smokestacks, and the elongated missiles seen on the [[#Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] release, while the Autobot insignias on his shoulders are no longer stickers, but rather tampographs, like on Takara's ''Encore'' release. While all reissues of the Prime mold since 2003 have used the original thick-barreled mold for his ion blaster, this version includes the slender sculpt instead.

:As a 25th anniversary set, Prime includes several new pack-in bonuses: a reprint of the [[The Transformers (issue)|first issue]] of the original [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|comic book]], a DVD containing all three parts of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|animated series]] pilot [[More than Meets the Eye (mini-series)|"More than Meets the Eye"]], and three desktop wallpapers, and a battery-powered Autobot symbol that plays transforming sound effects, part of the first version of the ''Transformers'' [[theme song]], and three voice clips performed by Peter Cullen: "I am Optimus Prime!", "Autobot, transform and roll out!" and "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost." There are some reports that the Autobot symbol could be worn out or damaged during the time of purchase.

:Outside the United States, this set was available in a thinner rectangular box. It contained all the original accessories from the American release, but not the DVD. An English-only version of this packaging format was available in Asia and Australia (initially only available at Myer stores, but later also at Toys"R"Us, Kmart and Target, eventually at drastically reduced prices), while a bilingual English/French packaging variant was available in Canada, still including—though not advertised on the packaging—the (English only) comic book.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/25thOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 25th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Deluxe Class===
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class: Special Edition, 2008)
**''ID Number:'' '''SE-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:"Special Edition" Optimus Prime is a redeco of the ''Classics'' multi-pack toy, featuring some minor paint detail changes, bluer translucent plastic, darker and cooler gray plastic, and darker metallic flake red and blue plastic, with his (previously black-only) rifle body most notably now being cast in both blue ''and'' black plastic. He came in special "book box" style packaging with black-and-white boxart, and was only available at retail in Australian and Asian markets. North American customers could later buy him via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/HTSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Special Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium-toy Target OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yawn... Hey, wait! Am I [[Delta Magnus]] now?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, display stand

: A [[Target]]-exclusive [[redeco]] of War Within Optimus Prime in [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action film]]-inspired colors. The bio on the back of the packaging only fills up half of the allotted space, as if the [[Forest Lee|writer]] was tired of describing Optimus Primes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TitOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Target-exclusive Titanium Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Alternity''==
[[File:AlternityConvoy VibrantRed.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's like G2 Go-bots all over again...but cooler!]]
*'''Convoy Ultimate Silver''' ([[February 26]], 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' Convoy transforms into a 1:32 scale Nissan GT-R, featuring die-cast metal parts, an opening hood, trunk and doors, as well as an interior, complete with his feet and thighs being sculpted to form the back seats. This complex figure stands at 6.5" tall, and is armed with a pair of blasters on each arm. In the hyper-dimensional world of the oft-confusing ''Alternity'' fiction, this figure specifically represents the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Story of Binaltech|Optimus Prime]] of [[universal stream]] [[Primax 903.0 Beta]].

:The mold suffers from a [[Design flaw|minor design oversight]], wherein the rear Nissan badge collides with his left leg strut when the left foot is hinged over and pegged into a clear plastic socket during transformation, with the results being that the connection is slightly crooked, isn't very secure, and sometimes pops off, and that the crooked pegging often causes the socket to crack.

:''Alternity'' Convoy was simultaneously available in both this silver coloration, and a deco based on his traditional appearance termed "Vibrant Red" (see below). The figure was later redecoed to create "[[Nemesis Prime (Universe)#Alternity 2|Convoy Super Black]]" (representing not Optimus Prime, but ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]]), ''Alternity'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Alternity|Ultra Magnus]], and ''Alternity'' [[Dai Atlas (G1)#Alternity|Dai Atlas]]. It was retooled into ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]'' [[#GT|GT-R Prime]], [[Star Saber (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Saber]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Megatron]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#GT|GT-R Maximus]].

*'''Convoy Vibrant Red''' (February 26, 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:"Vibrant Red" ''Alternity'' Convoy is a redeco of the "Ultimate Silver" figure in the much more traditional red and blue Prime color scheme, representing the Optimus Prime of universal stream [[Primax 109.0 Beta]]. The figure was available simultaneously with the Ultimate Silver version, sharing the same packaging and pack-in materials, save for the color of the illustration on the front of the box, and a sticker that identified the figure within.
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==''Transformers'' (2010)==
===Legends Class===
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[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|YOU'LL NEVER GUESS HIS TRUE ALLEGIANCE!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2011)

:[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime is based on his original Generation 1 appearance. He features a [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|fake grill]] for his robot mode, and his large legs result in a fairly thick and compact truck bed. He is part of "[[Reveal the Shield]]", a subline that outfits all its toys with [[rubsign]]s, and in this case, it's located on the left side of the truck/his left elbow.

:This figure was redecoed and retooled into ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] and [[Transformers (2014 toyline)|''Transformers'' (2014)]] [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RTSLegOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Legends Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2012)
:*''Accessories:'' Sword (running change variant only)
:The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] "[[Reveal the Shield]]" [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime sculpt in the deco from the first ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' EZ Collection wave (see below) was released as a "Dollar Store" exclusive (available at stores such as Dollar General and Big Lots) in generic 2010 ''Transformers'' packaging packaging alongside [[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]]. The initial release saw the copyright year removed, while a later [[variant#running changes|running change variant]] featured the new tooling originally used for ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]], with not only the retooled hands and a hole on the back of his head/top of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] compatible with [[C joint|3mm posts]], but also Motorbreath's sword accessory.

:If one chooses, the Ion Blaster from the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Core Class figure]] can be used on this toy.
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===Deluxe Class===
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[[File:G1toy sons of cybertron optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Sons of Cybertron''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Machine gun turret/rifle

:Released as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Welcome to Transformers 2010]]'' campaign, the "Sons of Cybertron" set includes a redeco of the 2006 ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' "Ultimate Battle" pack Deluxe class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]], cast mostly in translucent plastic (his shoulders remain opaque [[Unpaintable plastic|Polyoxymethylene (POM)]]). He comes packaged with a similarly translucent redeco of ''Classics'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]].

:The set is a counterpart to TakaraTomy's simultaneously-available ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' Sons of Cybertron set, which also features translucent versions of that line's Deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] figures. It was intended as an exclusive for the Japanese Chara Hobby 2010 festival, but was also initially offered as a raffle prize at the 2010 "Autobot Alliance" event in the Philippines.,<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/sons-of-cybertron-crystal-classics-optimus-prime-and-rodimus-set-images-169977/ TFW2005.com reports on the Philippines Autobot Alliance/Cybertron Con event. June 18, 2010]</ref> and was later available for purchase at [[Cybertron Con 2010]] in [[Shanghai]].

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[[File:TF2010 Deluxe G2OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Fandom|We]] see a red truck, and we want it [[Black repaint|painted]] [[Scourge (RID)|black]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' [[Laser Rod (weapon)|Sword]]

: Part of the sixth wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)#RTS|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]], this Optimus Prime is an all-new Deluxe Class mold based on the original ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Laser Optimus Prime toy ([[#LaserOptimusPrime|see above]]). Transforming into an International 8200 truck, he has some influences from the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action movie Optimus Prime]], including the more defined flames on his hood, athletic [[robot mode]] proportions and a more aggressive-looking translucent orange sword that can be held with both hands for maximum extreme chopitude. Optimus Prime features extensive use of translucent plastic in his arms, head and upper torso for a [[light-piping]] effect. Optimus also has a (non-detachable) matrix gimmick in robot mode that is formed by a relief pattern on the inside of the cab's side windows and is visible through the windshield/chest in robot mode. Like the Legends toy, he's part of ''Reveal the Shield'' and features a [[rubsign]], this time on the roof. He is also ''very'' articulated and poseable, even featuring ankles and wrists that are both [[Ball joint|ball-joint]]ed ''and'' [[Swivel joint|hinged]].

: The original Hasbro [[Stock photography|stock photos]] depict him as having red [[paint operation]]s on his kneecaps and the sunken ridges around his blue abs that the final product lacks. The photos on the cardback show him with a red Autobot symbol on his truck door and blue plastic instead of grey for the piece just in front of his rear tires. The back photo also depicts his side windows as being the same translucent orange as the front ones, when they are, in reality, a garish solid orange.

: Multiple reports suggest that the toy suffers from a [[design flaw]], inferior plastic quality, or both: Due to his hands having peg-holes that are a bit too small to accommodate 5 mm posts, they have a tendency to show stress marks on the inside after pegging his sword handle (or most other pegs) inside. Stress marks also tend to appear near his tiny hinged wrists. Fortunately, there have been no reports of the hands actually ''breaking'' on either location thus far.

: This toy was redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]/[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Optimus Prime (SG)#BotCon2012|Optimus Prime]] and ''Timelines'' [[Scourge (RID)#Timelines|Scourge]], and was retooled into ''Timelines/Shattered Glass'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Timelines|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RTSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Masterpiece''===
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[[File:Transformers2010toy-HasbroMP10OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Standing tall and proud with his smokestacks erect.]]
*'''Masterpiece Optimus Prime''' (2012/2014)
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#Transformers (2010)|Ion cannon]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mp10hasbro|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#Tranformers (2010)|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#Transformers (2010)|trailer/Battle Station/Maintenance Dock]], [[Roller (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Autobot Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Spike Witwicky figurine]]
:The Hasbro [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive release of [[#MP10|MP-10 Convoy]] features brighter blue plastic and paint, brighter unpainted non-metallic red plastic, painted yellow lights above the front truck windshields, painted light blue eyes, and lacks silver paint for the trailer's interior. Roller is now blue.

:In the Philippines, this was only available as a Toys"R"Us "Limited Edition" figure in the Trinoma mall from August 23–26, with customers having to sign up to reserve their figure. It was limited to 48 units total, and was limited to one per customer.

:Hasbro Asia re-released this in 2014. It came with an exclusive addition—the [[Key to Vector Sigma#Masterpiece|Key to Vector Sigma]]. In 2017 it was [[#Masterpiece 3|basically reissued]] under ''Generations'' co-branding.

:Stock photos show his vehicle mode mistranformed.
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==''United''==
[[File:Unitedtoy cybertron mode prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|See?! War for Cybertron ''is'' G1!]]
*'''Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode''' ([[December 25]], 2010)
**''ID number'': '''UN-01'''
**''Accessories'': "Assault rifle"

: The first toy in TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toyline is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Generations|Optimus Prime]], transforming into a Cybertronic "armored truck". As has been TakaraTomy's won't of late, he now sports a metallic red paint job, with brighter pink paint applications and cooler grey parts, and features several additional paint details to those present on the Hasbro figure in the form of black chest windows and pink lines on his face mask. His rifle transforms as well, folding and plugging into the roof of the vehicle mode. The rifle can also peg into his forearms, and, in its compact configuration, can attach to his shoulders via peg holes on the backs of his front tires or stored behind his back in [[robot mode]].

: This mold was also used to make ''United'' [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)#Toys|Darkside Optimus Prime]].

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[[File:Unitedtoy g1prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|No, my legs won't retract. Now buy me.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (December 25, 2010)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-06'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:The second Optimus Prime toy in TakaraTomy's ''United'' toyline is another redeco of the ''Classics'' multi-pack Deluxe-sized toy (the first release in Japan), this time featuring an extensive metallic red paint job on the majority of the red plastic, and he features metallic sheen on the unpaintable red plastic and his blue plastic is now brighter. While the paint masks are identical to the Special Edition release, ''United'' Optimus Prime features additional paint operations on the hip, the stomach grille, the fold-up waist panels, the lower chest piece (at least in the front), and the forehead.

:Although the stock photo (pictured from the right) shows both of his biceps painted silver with his Autobot insignia tampographed on the left shoulder, the final product omits the paint operation (due to being molded with unpaintable plastic) and the insignia is placed on his left forearm, just like his ''Classics'' figure.

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[[File:Unitedtoy laser prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Laser Optimus Prime''' ([[March 26]], 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-22'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Laser Rod (weapon)|Laser Rod]]" sword

:The third ''United'' Optimus Prime toy is a redeco and slight retool of the [[#Transformers (2010)|Deluxe Class figure]] from Hasbro's 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline, itself an homage to Prime's ''Generation 2'' [[#LaserOptimusPrime|"Laser" form]]. The toy features translucent blue plastic as opposed to Hasbro's orange, red paint is used on the biceps instead of blue paint, extra red paint applications on the knees like the original's sticker detail, and more broken-up red apps on the shoulders. Silver detailing was added to the cab mode on the grill, the bumper, and near the doors. The blue plastic in cab mode is now black plastic to make the figure more accurate to the ''Generation 2'' original. The gray plastic is changed from the Hasbro version to more closely match the [[#G2reissue|2006 reissue of Laser Optimus Prime]]. Black paint was applied to the cab mode to mimic the fade from red to black on the original Laser Optimus, but still includes a flame deco like the Hasbro version, only in a different design. It lacks the roof-mounted rubsign of the Hasbro version, instead including Autobot insignias on the cab doors. (Disappointingly, they are Generation 1 insignias, rather than ''Generation 2'' ones!) Additionally, a retool was made to the peg on the inside of his right shoulder, to make it shorter and wider than the Hasbro version, allowing it to move freely without hitting the torso, unlike the Hasbro release.
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[[File:Unitedtoy-BlackOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Shouldn't be hard for him to fit in with the Decepticons... There's like, [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|two]] [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|other]] "evil Optimus Prime" guys in their ranks.]]
*'''Black Optimus Prime''' ([[June 16]], 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/blaster, wind vane/cannon

:Available [[exclusive]]ly at the [[Tokyo Toy Show]] 2012 (along with [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Shining|''Prime'' Shining Optimus Prime]]), Black Optimus Prime is a very minor redeco of the previously unreleased [[#GenteiBlack|''Gentei! Gentei!'']] black version of [[#Henkei! Henkei!|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Convoy]], itself a redeco of the [[#Classics (2006)|''Classics'' Voyager Class toy]]. As such, Black Optimus Prime is mostly cast in black plastic, with some gray parts, translucent red windows and teal paint operations.

:The only differences with the unreleased version, aside from the packaging, are that silver paint has been added to the previously unpainted grill/fender area, the blue paint operations have been changed to teal, and the red Autobot insignias have been replaced by purple Decepticon ones. Prime's [[bio]] apparently explains that he took on this new color scheme in order to infiltrate the Decepticon ranks, in response to recent attacks by some new Decepticon forces pretending to be Autobots.

::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1579.html Black Optimus Prime at Alfes's Toy Blog (part 1)]''
::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1580.html Black Optimus Prime at Alfes's Toy Blog (part 2)]''
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==''Chronicle''==
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[[File:TF-Chronicle-CH01-G1-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''G1 & Movie Sōshireikan Set''' (multi-pack, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''CH01'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster|Laser rifle]], trailer

:This reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure comes in a two-pack with the Deluxe-Class ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Optimus Prime figure]]. Prime himself is almost identical to the ''Encore'' release, save for his trailer hitch which was retooled to allow a peg to be inserted within it while still being able to be inserted into the trailer itself (making it compatible with his G1 trailer and the new trailer included). Like the Encore release, he features lighter colors and tampographed shoulder symbols (which vary slightly from the Encore release).

:His original trailer is not included with the set; instead, he comes with [[Armored Weapons Platform#Chronicle|a new deluxe-scaled trailer]], not available with any other figure, based on the one towed by Prime in ''Dark of the Moon''. The trailer is compatible with both figures, and sports [[5 mm post|5mm post]]-holes that will hold (among many other things) G1 Prime's laser rifle and the [[MechTech]] weapon Movie Prime is armed with.

:Oddly, for their official [[stock photography|promotional photography]], Takara took an existing photo of Optimus Prime's robot mode that was at least a decade old, having previously been used as a very early (and inaccurate) illustration for Hasbro's then upcoming ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' reissue of the figure.
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===''EZ Collection''===
[[File:EZCollectionChronicleConvoyToy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, 2011)
:A ''veeery'' slight [[repaint]] of the [[#2010legend|2010 Reveal the Shield]] Legends figure, the first ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' Prime replaces that figure's rubsign with a tiny tampographed Autobot symbol on his left bicep. He was one of eight figures available in the first wave of "EZ Collection" blindpacked figures.
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*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, 2011)
:The '''Reveal the Shield''' Legends Prime mold was redecoed again for the inclusion in the second EZ Collection wave. This version of the figure replaces his blue on the head with black, and the blue paint on the legs is stripped off, revealing the black plastic underneath. and like the Megatron redeco in the same wave, features a ''Generation 2'' Autobot symbol instead of a Generation 1 insignia.
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==''Kre-O''==
{{Note|This section only lists Generation 1-inspired Optimus Prime ''Kre-O'' toys.}}
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[[File:KreO-Toy OptimusMatrixKreon.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|If you even ''thought'' about Transformers in 2011, you probably have two of me.]]
*'''Matrix Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Pieces'': '''10'''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

: Intended to be [[exclusive]] to [[BotCon 2011]], this redeco of the regular Optimus Prime Kreon has an open chest showing the [[Matrix of Leadership]] within. He comes with a G1 inspired gun and a black brick display stand.

: We say "intended", because in actuality, the thing appears to have been produced in such huge quantities that it's wound up being made available in ''loads'' of other places—it was handed out at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2011, offered as a free giveaway with any order that included Transformers toys on [[Hasbro Toy Shop]]), as a free gift on the cover of the ''[[Awesome Autobots Activity Book]]'', and came as a free gift attached to, of all things, issue #240 of the [[United Kingdom|UK]] children's comic, ''[[Doctor Who]] Adventures'' (but not the UK's [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Transformers comic]], you'll note!).

:A supposed factory error even caused this version (minus display stand) to be included in the larger Optimus Prime kit (see below). This problem has (presumably) been fixed, but it was awesome while it lasted.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OMatrixOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Matrix Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy Optimus542pc.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Nigh-infinite configuration possibilities, and somehow a WORSE base mode than pretty much every other Optimus's trailer-bases. Wow.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''30689'''
**''Pieces'': '''542'''
**''Kreons'': Optimus Prime, Bluestreak, Skywarp, two Stunt Drivers
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, weapons sprue (sniper rifle, pistol, submachinegun, handcuffs, radio, ammo box), large tool sprue (shovel, hammer, electric drill, clamp), small tool sprue (socket wrench, screwdriver, wrench, hatchet), 2 traffic cones

: Naturally, Optimus Prime got the biggest of the sets in the first year of ''Kre-O''. The set can be built into a large long-nose tractor-trailer rig with a removable "sleeper" cab that hides a computer station, and a trailer that can carry the set's two motorcycles or open up to carry larger car builds. The robot mode build includes a huge Optimus, based largely on the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action movie Optimus]], though with a head based almost directly on the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Voyager Optimus]]. He is armed with a distressingly plain brick that fires pressure-launched missiles (aka his smokestacks). Most of the leftover parts in robot mode become a "headquarters" which is mostly just a random assemblage of mismatched-color panels and a pair of barricades. Both main builds leave numerous parts unused if you go expressly by the instructions, but hey, it's a building kit, surely you can find ''someplace'' to apply most of them.

: The set comes with a bevy of [[Kreon]]s, including Optimus Prime (this one based heavily on Generation 1 Optimus), [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Bluestreak]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Skywarp]], and a pair of human [[Stunt Driver]]s. A packaging error resulted in some releases of this set to come with the promotional "Matrix chest" Optimus (see above) rather than the normal version pictured here.

:Speaking of errors, the instruction manuals (he has two) both have errors in their parts listings, showing numerous pieces in the wrong colors or not making it clear that some parts are, well, clear. Making things more confusing, not all of these miscolors are reflected in the step-by-step instructions, while a couple new ones are added there.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO OptimusPrime small.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|So come on down to South Park and meet some friends of mine.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''31143'''
**''Pieces'': '''90'''

: The smaller optimus Prime Kre-O kit is loosely based on the original Optimus Prime, transforming into a cabover truck. He comes with no Kreons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OSmallOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "small" Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy OptimusCustomKreon.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Custom Kreon, 2013)
**''Set number'': '''A6085'''
**''Pieces'': '''41'''
**''Accessories'': Rack, large rifle, ray pistol, robot sword, wing-backpack, rocket-backpack

: Part of the first assortment of "Custom Kreons", this version of Optimus Prime comes with a buildable parts rack on which to hang/store his many many extra pieces. His [[tampograph]]s are much more heavily-detailed than the original Kreons, based on the [[#The Transformers|original Optimus Prime toy]]. His "normal" helmet (and small sword) are [[chrome]]d, plus he comes with an extra clear-plastic helmet, torso and legs. He also has a pair of extra arms (originally from the ''Kre-O Battleship'' aliens), plus a buildable large rifle, a buildable wing-pack, and a ray pistol (originally an [[Andorian]] blaster from ''Kre-O Star Trek'').

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[[File:KreO-Toy OrionPax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (2014)
**''Pieces'': '''10'''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, transparent block, brick display stand

:Available only with the ''[[Transformers: Kre-O Character Encyclopedia]]'', Orion Pax is a Kreon version of Orion Pax from "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]". He uses the [[Ironhide (Kre-O)|Ironhide]] helmet and the original Optimus Prime Kreon's gun. The transparent block which he can hold has "KREO" written on it in [[Cybertronian language#Notes|Autobot text]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OOrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on Orion Pax at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Kre-o-Elite-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Give [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Diablock|me]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kre-O|your]] face?]]
*'''Elite Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**''Pieces'': '''43'''
**''Acessories'': Optimus rifle

:A polybag with buildable Optimus Prime with larger hands and legs on a Kreon sized torso, much like the Galvatron in the Factory Battle set. His helmet is completely unpainted.

:This figure was a freebie given away at Canadian Toys"R"Us stores during a build-a-figure event, and also available at the "Transformers Exhibition" event in Taipei, Taiwan from [[June 27]] to [[July 6]].

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[[File:KreO-toy OptimusClass84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Voted Most Likely to <s>[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Diablock|GIVE ME]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kre-O|YOUR FACE]]</s> Succeed]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Most Likely To Succeed
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

: This version of Optimus, part of the the [[Kreon Class of 1984]], lays heavy on the toy-based tampographs (though they are completely different from the other iterations), and like the others in the set, has a more animation-model-inspired face deco, what with having a nose and all.

:He was only available in a pack of 30 Kreons dubbed "Class of 1984". This set was made for sale at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014. Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online after the convention, but as the set sold out at the show, that never happened.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/SDCCKre-OOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Class of 1984 Optimue Prime at TFU.info]

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*'''Total Commander Optimus Prime (Convoy)''' (Gacha capsule Kreon, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Ray pistol

:In late 2014, twelve Kreons were sold through [[TakaraTomy]]'s "TakaraTomy A.R.T.S" [[Gacha]] capsule-toy machines in Japan. Thankfully for the rest of the world, these Kreons are all basically identical to previously-released ones in the Hasbro lines. The Gacha release of Optimus Prime is basically the base [[#Custom|Custom Kreon Optimus]] using his clear-plastic helmet and carrying the small ray pistol, lacking his leg-wheels, smokestacks and backpack (and of course all those other parts and accessories).
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===Battle Changers===
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[[File:Kre-o-battle-changers-optimus-prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It remains to be seen if Optimus' pieces can be rebuilt [[Alligaticon|into an alligator]]. ''(Individual version pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Battle Changers, 2015)
**''Set Number'': '''B0715'''
**''Pieces'':''89''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

:Part of the new Battle Changers line, Battle Changers Optimus Prime transforms from truck into a robot and back without removing any parts!

:Like the rest of the Battle Changers, he is available in selected Asian countries since December 2014.

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[[File:Kre-O-Battle-Changers-2-pack-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(2-pack version pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime VS Megatron''' (Battle Changers 2-pack, 2015)
**''Set Number'': '''B1506'''
**''Pieces'': ''198''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, trailer

:Available in a two pack set with [[Megatron (Kre-O)#Battle Changers|Battle Changer Megatron]], this Optimus is largely the same as as the single release, with some minor differences. He uses a new "double harness" piece on his torso instead of using two harnesses, leaving more space for his head to grip the neck-post. He also has different windshield decals, and his reds and blues are slightly darker. And, most obviously, he has an additional buildable trailer, though it doesn't really attach to the truck mode in any meaningful way.
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===Mini-Con Combiners===
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Mini-Con Combiners, unreleased)
**''Accessories'': Bazooka, [[Phaser (weapon)|phaser]], Uzi, scoped pistol, [[Klingon]] blaster

:"Mini-Con Combiner"' Optimus comes with one standard Kreon and four ''Cityville''-syle mini-Kreons of the same character, each one a different incarnation from various franchises. With some extra parts, the mini-Kreons become limbs to make a larger combiner-bot.

: The main torso-bot is based on Generation 1 Optimus's original body. Two of his limbs are based on ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]; one "normal" (Inferno helmet), one pre-[[Earth]]-body (Knock Out helmet). Another is based on [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus]] (Soundwave helmet), and the remaining one (Ironhide helmet)... actually looks to be based on the Optimus-like-but-not-Optimus [[Micromaster]] [[Overload (G1)|Overload]]! The heck?

:[https://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=400&size=1&image=29 First shown at New York Toy Fair 2015], the Mini-Con Combiners were apparently cancelled without fanfare... a decision that must have come late in the day, as they went on to star in their own promotional animation, "[[Stuck in a Tree]]", released about eight months after the trade show.

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==''EZ Collection Gum''==
[[File:EZ-Collection-Gum-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, [[July 30]], [[2012]])
**''ID number'': '''1'''

: [[EZ Collection#Transformers: EZ Collection Gum|''EZ Collection Gum'']] Convoy is another redeco of ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]], featuring the retooled parts, but this time omitting the sword. He is decoed once again in his ''Generation 2'' colors (see above), with the black legs, but uses metallic red plastic, and is coated in metallic red, blue (replacing his head's black), and black paint. As per the toyline's name, he comes with a yellow candy-shelled piece of lemony-flavored gum.
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==''Generations''==
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==''Bot Shots''==
[[File:BotShotstoy-OptimusPrime.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Before time began, I was... a cube.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B003'''
***''Fist strength'': '''410'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''850'''
***''Sword strength'': '''370'''

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' Series 1 single-packs, Optimus Prime is a teeny little long-nosed semi truck with "trailer", with a spring-loaded [[Autotransformation|automatic transformation]] to robot mode triggered when his front bumper is pressed. He has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. His truck mode and robot body are influenced by the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus Prime]], while his head is taken from the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|original]]. His blue paint is light and sparkly-metallic, his red paint is dull matte, and his optics are yellow.

:This toy was given away free to attendees of Hasbro's "[[Toy Fair 2012|Collector-Fan Media Day" 2012]], slightly altered by a "Toy Fair 2012" sticker applied to the cardback.

:This mold was also [[redeco]]ed to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]]. He shares parts with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#BotShotSuperBot|Super Bot Megatron]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motorbreath]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Bot Shots'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-OptimusPrimeLauncher.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime Launcher''' (Launcher, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BL001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''920'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''450'''
***''Sword strength'': '''280'''

: Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 launchers, this [[repaint]] of Optimus Prime comes with a large trailer that pops open to form a battle station with a spring-loaded launching platform. He appears to have the same plastic colors as the single release, and the same set of [[paint operation]]s, but his paint is done in different shades, having glossy dark blue paint and glossy bright red paint. The black part of his launcher is sculpted to look vaguely like the repair done that is part of Generation 1 Optimus Prime's repair bay.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSLOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Launcher Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-BattlefortheMatrix-LauncherOptimusPrime.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Battle for the Matrix''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''UB001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''835'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''505'''
***''Sword strength'': '''275'''

: This minor [[redeco]] of the Optimus Prime Launcher features grey wheels, blue optics, and added red paint on its upper arms, while the launcher has grey plastic in place of black, smaller Autobot symbols on its sides, and gold paint on its interior instead of silver. The [[stock photography]] on the [[packaging]] depicts Optimus with a blue stripe on his built-in "trailer", which was omitted in the final product.

: The set also comes with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Megatron with his launcher]], [[Brawl (Movie)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Bumblebee]], and a cardboard token representing the [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Bot Shots|Matrix]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSBFTMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Battle for the Matrix" Launcher Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots_SuperBotOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''Super Bot 004'''
***''Fist strength'': '''330'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''315'''
***''Sword strength'': '''995'''

: Part of the fourth wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 single-packs, Super Bot Optimus Prime is a redeco of his toy in translucent blue plastic. As a Super Bot, he was [[Shortpacking|packed one per case]], and has higher, more lopsided stats than normal Bot Shots. He has a really, ''really'' good Sword stat.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSSBOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Super Bot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-SpinShotOptimusPrimeLauncher.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime Launcher''' (Launcher, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''BL001'''
**''Accessories'': 4 [[Energon cube|Energon Cube]] targets
***''Fist strength'': '''820'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''405'''
***''Sword strength'': '''390'''

: Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 launchers, this new-mold Optimus Prime transforms into a very boxy ''Generation 1''-styled truck with trailer. As a Spin Shot, one manually winds up his upper body beforehand when transforming him into vehicle mode, where striking the front of the vehicle will cause him to burst open and spin while auto-transforming. He comes with a launcher used to propel him to great speeds, as well as four cube targets for him to knock over.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSLOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Spin Shot Launcher Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots PolarAssault Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Polar Assault Team''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''T001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''370'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''945'''
***''Sword strength'': '''310'''

: Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 five-packs, this redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy is cast in translucent blue plastic, with his cab painted white. Despite possessing translucent plastic and more lopsided stats than a regular Bot Shot, he is apparently not labeled as a Super Bot. This version of Optimus comes with similarly-themed with new redecos of [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Bumblebee]], [[Mirage (G1)#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Mirage]], [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Ironhide]], and [[Jetfire (G1)#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Jetfire]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSPAOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Polar Assault Team" Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots Dragon Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Dragon Track''' (Playset, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''UB001'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher
***''Fist strength'': '''565'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''325'''
***''Sword strength'': '''725'''

:Available only with the ''Bot Shots'' Dragon Track set, this version of Optimus Prime is a new mold, changing from a robot form resembling ''Generation 1'' Optimus Prime, into a truck with a rocket exhaust molded into the back of its trailer. As a Flip Shot, he, er, flips up when auto-transforming. He comes with a launcher that can be connected to the track, as well as [[Megatron (G1)/toys#DragonTrack|Flip Shot Megatron and his launcher]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSDTOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Dragon Track" Flip Shot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''BeCool''==
[[File:BeCool-B03-Trailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Trailer (Optimus Prime)''' (2012)
**''ID number'': '''B03'''

:''[[Bot Shots (toyline)#BeCool|BeCool]]'' "Trailer" is practically identical to the ''Bot Shots'' "Battle for the Matrix" Optimus Prime toy with the blue eyes and red arms, the only difference being that the game stats stickers in his chest spinner have been replaced with pictures of his vehicle mode, two people holding hands and the letters "Zzz..."

:[[TakaraTomy]]'s [[stock photography]] of Trailer, including the pictures used on the box, uses the original ''Bot Shots'' Optimus toy with the yellow eyes as a base.

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[[File:BeCool-B12-Garbage-Truck.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Garbage Truck (Clean Optimus)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''B12'''

:"Garbage Truck" is a redeco of the same Optimus Prime toy in blue and white, a common coloration for Japanese garbage trucks, that ends up bearing a coincidental resemblance to the ''Bot Shots'' Polar Assault Team Optimus. His stickers now picture his truck mode being loaded with garbage, his truck mode driving around, and the word "cleaning" in both English and Japanese.

: The B12 ID number was previously used for [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Special Sports Car]], a limited toy which was only on shelves for three months before being replaced by Garbage Truck.

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[[File:BS02-BeCool-Trailer-and-Trailer-Base.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|I just passed a "jimmy" and a White, I've been passing everything in sight]]
*'''Trailer and Trailer Base (Optimus Prime)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''BS02'''

:This Trailer is identical to the original ''BeCool'' Trailer other than the stickers, and now comes with the trailer/launcher accessory from ''Bot Shots'' redecoed in blue with red stripes. While the vehicle mode sticker in his chest remains, the hand-holding and sleeping ones have been replaced by pictures of the launcher: one in base mode and one in trailer mode. He also comes with a sticker sheet for decorating the Trailer Base.
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==''GT''==
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[[File:GT-R-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|From Nissan to nii-san.]]
*'''GT-R Prime''' ([[May 25]], 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''GT-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Impact Wrench Gun", [[Misaki]] race queen figure

: ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]'' "GT-R Prime" is a heavy retool of ''Alternity'' [[#Alternity|Convoy]], transforming into a 1:32 replica of the Motul Autech GT-R race car used by the {{w|Nismo}} team in the {{w|Super GT}} racing championship series. He retains the flip-out blasters of the ''Alternity'' toy and can also wield his new Impact Wrench Gun accessory (also called the "Optimus Rifle" on the ''Transformers GT'' website), a weapon based on the impact wrenches used in car repairs. Like all ''GT'' toys, Prime also comes with a [[GT Sister]], poseable human figures themed after {{w|race queens}}, his partner being a lady named Misaki.

: GT-R Prime's packaging points out that he can be fitted into ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime's trailer to replicate the way actual race cars are transported.

: This mold was also used, with different heads and accessories, to make the other ''Transformers GT'' toys: [[Star Saber (G1)#GT|GT-R Saber]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Megatron]], and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#GT|GT-R Maximus]].
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==''FJ Cruiser × Transformers''==
[[File:TF-FJ-Cruiser-Transformers-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=3|thumb]]
*'''FJ Optimus Prime''' (2013)
**''Accessories:'' spare tire/axe

:Part of a cross-promotion between {{w|Toyota}} and TakaraTomy, the deluxe-sized FJ Optimus Prime transforms into an {{w|Toyota FJ Cruiser|FJ Cruiser}}, with his axe weapon becoming the vehicle's spare tire. The vehicle mode's body panels come packaged on the sprue, and can then be clipped onto the core figure. The mass retail release of FJ Optimus includes yellow and white panels, while the red variant was available when purchasing an FJ Cruiser at Japanese Toyota dealerships. As is typical of TakaraTomy exclusives, these variants came in grayscale packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/FJOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on FJ Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Construct-Bots''==
[[File:Construct-Bots-Elite-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Elite Class, 2013)
: Optimus Prime transforms into a truck-like vehicle. This version is a retool to the Ultimate Class two-pack listed below, as his head design is slightly different. Additionally this version features transparent plastic for his body armor amongst other plastic changes. He includes a blue version of one of the Ultimate Class version's gun.

: As with all Construct-Bots, Optimus Prime's rubber ball joints on the shoulder and feet can harden over time, which makes it difficult to pose smoothly.

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[[File:Construct-Bots-Elite-Class-OPvsM-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (Ultimate Class, 2013)

: Optimus Prime transforms into a truck-like vehicle, packed alongside his eternal nemesis [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Megatron]]. This version has opaque colors and a more traditional Optimus color scheme. He includes a projectile weapon along with a variety of melee weapons, as well as a swathe of extra parts for additional configurations.

:Optimus' sword was later redecoed/reused for [[Silverbolt (G1)#Construct-Bots|Silverbolt]] and one of ''Timelines'' [[Oilmaster#Timelines|Oilmaster]]'s weapons.
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==''Hero Mashers''==
[[File:HM-toy Optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Modular building is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Battle Upgrade, 2014)
**''Pieces'': '''18'''
**''Accessories'': Missile-launching rifle, missile, energy axe, cannon, left & right rocket pods, "Ultra Magnus" right forearm & fist

: Part of the first wave of "Battle Upgrade" ''[[Hero Mashers]]'' toys, Optimus is a non-transforming action figure with ratchet-joints, about six inches tall. He has multiple peg-holes all over that can be used to mount any ''Hero Mashers'' accessory. As a first-wave figure, he has extra ankle articulation that is not present in later waves (a cut that was made to all ''Hero Mashers'' lines, not just the ''Transformers''-branded ones).

: He is designed with a removable head, forearms, thighs, and lower legs, all of which use the same clip-peg/hole joint. This means his pieces can be swapped around in any order, as well as swapped with any other ''Hero Mashers'' figure... which includes figures from [[Marvel Comics]], ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'', and ''[[Jurassic Park|Jurassic World]]'', meaning you can make some pretty freaky combinations.

: While he is the same size as a standard Hero Masher, his larger [[size class|price point]] is made up for with a lot more parts and gimmicks. Both of his hands are removable, which allows for accessories to be placed in his wrist sockets, notably his iconic "energy axe". His rifle is a spring-loaded missile launcher. He also comes with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Hero Mashers|Ultra Magnus]]'s right arm, which is a [[redeco]] of ''Hero Mashers'' [[Bulkhead (Prime)#Hero Mashers|Bulkhead]]'s, only molded to remove that toy's missile-launching gimmick.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/HMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Hero Mashers'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:HM-toy Optimus Electronic.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Mom said it's ''my'' turn on the [[Xbox 360|Xbox]]."]]
*'''Electronic Optimus Prime''' (Electronic Action, 2014)
**''Pieces'': '''22'''
**''Accessories'': Missile launching cannon, missile, sword, shield, bladed shield, electronic left forearm, bladed left fist, torso armor, left & right winged "launchers", left & right armor boots

: Part of the first (and only) wave of larger electronic ''Hero Mashers Transformers'' toys, the base Optimus Prime figure in this set is ''almost'' identical to the above "Battle Upgrade" toy; this version has a closed right fist that can hold accessories rather than the Battle Upgrade version's finger-pointy one.

: However, this set comes with a completely different (and much larger) pile of accessories to turn Optimus (or any other ''Hero Mashers'' figure) into a hulking armored warrior. He comes with an extra left forearm with an electronic light, used to light up clear-plastic accessories when they're plugged into his wrist socket. Several of these accessories take inspiration from the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus]]'s gear, notably a very ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]''-esque shield.

: Oddly, the big stompy boots accessories are designed in a way that Optimus is really far back in them, leaving a huge gap between his shins and the boots' "knee" guards. Presumably this is to accommodate other ''Hero Mashers'' toys with much larger footprints.
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==''EZ Collection'' (2013)==
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[[File:TF-EZ-Collection-2014-EG01-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=0.99|thumb|I'm the one you actually want. Except that you're gonna import it.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (EZ Collection, [[April 27]], 2013)
**''ID number'': '''EG01'''

:This ''EZ Collection'' Optimus Prime is ''yet'' another release of the ''Reveal the Shield'' redeco with the Motorbreath retooling, but this time he features light blue paint applications in place of the original dark blue. Like the rest of his brethren on the same line, Optimus features a movie version of the Autobot insignia.
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==''Bearbrick''==
[[File:Bearbrick OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Honey is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[July 17]], 2014)

: A special edition [[Bearbrick]] released in celebration of the ''Transformers'' 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime transforms from a Bearbrick painted up like himself to a bear-eared robot. He has no accessories, but holes in his [[robot mode]] hands can accommodate other toys' weapons.

: This mold, with a different head sculpt, was also used for the simultaneously released Bearbrick [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Megatron]], and also redecoed into [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] and ''Age of Extinction'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Bearbrick|Optimus Prime]]. It was further retooled into Bearbrick [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Starscream]].
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==''Transformers'' (campaign item)==
[[File:AOE-toy Convoy AnniversaryClear.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy [Anniversary Clear Ver.]''' (EZ Collection, 2014)

:A [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]'' Legends Class [[#Legends_Class|Optimus Prime]] toy with the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Motormaster (G1)#GDO|Motorbreath]] [[retool]]ing (for accessories he does not come with), Convoy is cast in red and black clear plastic. He has been retooled to include a magnet in his right foot, allowing him to interact with ''Lost Age'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Lost Age|Battle Command Optimus Prime]] and ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' [[Grimlock (AOE)#Stomp&Chomp|Stomp & Chomp Grimlock]].

: Convoy was available at a variety of 2014 events, including on [[May 3]] at a "Kids Walk" event at {{w|Fuji Speedway}}, in special packaging on [[May 16]] at the "Transformers Celebration 2014" midnight event at the Sunshine City [[Toys"R"Us]] store in {{w|Ikebukuro}}, on [[June 15]] at Tokyo Toy Show 2014, at the Aeon Mall in {{w|Kasukabe}} on [[July 19]], and at the "Transformers Expo" event in {{w|Yokohama}} on [[August 9]]; at the Expo's preview night, attendees could also acquire a sticker sheet designed to turn the toy into Nemesis Prime. Convoy was also available as one of three preorder bonuses for ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Roadbuster (G1)#Cloud|Roadbuster]].

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Yokohama Convoy|Nemesis Prime/Yokohama Convoy]].
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==''Legend Commander Collection''==
[[File:Legend-Commander-Collection-LC-01-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy (Jodai)''' (2014)
**''ID number:'' '''LC-01'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster, Energon Axe

:Part of the ''[[Legend Commander Collection]]'' sold at [[Transformers Expo]], "Convoy (Jodai)"—''jodai'' (初代) meaning "first generation"—is a redeco of ''Robotmasters'' G1 Convoy. While most of the paint masks are identical to the original mold, other changes include replacing the translucent parts into clear blue plastic, and the panel-lining on the grill is stripped off. Unlike the first toy, he does not include a pair of swappable 3mm fists, his missile launcher, or his Calamity Defenser weapon.

:Remaining stock was sold through [[TakaraTomy Mall]].
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==Optimus Prime Pen==
[[File:OptimusPrimePen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hand cramps are the right of all sentient writers and artists.]]
*'''Transformers Optimus Prime Pen''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

: Released in Japan by [[Sentinel (company)|Sentinel]] as part of the 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime Pen is a well-articulated robot that folds into the shape of a rather chunky, but functional ballpoint pen. The tip of the pen is formed from his ion blaster, with the barrel acting as a cap.

: This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Black Convoy Pen|Black Convoy Pen]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Ultra Magnus Pen|Ultra Magnus Pen]].
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==''Transformers'' (2014)==
[[File:Transformers-2014-Legion-Optimus-Prime-(black-insignia).jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Black insignia version pictured.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legion Class, 2014/2015/2017)
**<s>''Accessories'': Sword</s>

:Another release of the ''Reveal the Shield'' Legends Class sculpt, the deco for its initial release is ''almost'' identical to the ''Transformers'' release from 2012, having silver chest-windows instead of light-metallic-blue, plus a large "CE" mark and number on the backs of its legs, declaring the toy meets European product safety requirements. The tooling is identical to the 2012 release's running change variant, with the retooled hands and a hole on the back of his head/top compatible with [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]] [[C joint|3mm]] pegs.

:Bizarrely, the [[package art]] is lifted directly from the ''Generations'' Legends Class Optimus Prime/Autobot Roller two-pack's packaging, whereas the [[stock photography|stock photos]] depicted on the back of the packaging are taken from ''Reveal the Shield'' Optimus Prime's packaging and only slightly altered, advertising a "[[Reveal the Shield]]" [[rubsign]] [[gimmick]] the toy doesn't actually have. Meanwhile, Hasbro's official stock photos provided to online retailers (including an in-packaging photo) depict the toy with the sword that came with the running change variant of the sculpt's 2012 release, even though the actual toy doesn't include the sword.

:Legion Class Optimus Prime has been found at Family Dollar and Dollar General stores in the United States. A later [[variant]] repleaced the red Autobot insignia with a black version. This later version was also released at general retail in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, and Russia. In Singapore it was released together with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Starscream]] as part of the promotion for ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' in selected cinemas.
:This figure was made available again, without any changes, in 2015, this time in new packaging resembling the then-concurrent packaging design for the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' line, but replacing the name "Generations" with "Authentic Transformers". It was also given a new Hasbro product code number and UPC barcode, thereby technically making it a separate product. In 2017, it was re-released ''again'', this time in a minor variant of the 2014 version's packaging (including the original product code number and barcode) that now lacked the reference to the non-existing "Reveal the Shield" gimmick.

:Like [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Starscream]], the Black Insignia variant of the toy ended up being dumped to some hobby shop dealers in Asia., and even returned to discount stores like Five Below and 99 Cents Only in the US in 2020.
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==''Nanoblock Motion Choro-Q''==
[[File:NanoblockChoroQConvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Not Minecraft.]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[December 11]], 2014)

:Produced as a collaboration between toylines ''[[Diablock|Nanoblock]]'' and ''[[Choro-Q]]'', this Optimus Prime is a building block toy providing pieces to build both Optimus Prime's super deformed robot mode and, separately, his truck mode (or something else, if you want). His truck mode is built on a generic ''Choro-Q'' chassis outfitted with an electric motor and can be remote-controlled using a smartphone app. While the chassis is physically generic, its firmware identifies it as belonging to the Convoy kit, and the smartphone app's controls adopt a blue and red theme to match, complete with Autobot logo on the steering wheel hub.
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==''Q-Transformers''==
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[[File:QTransformers Optimus Prime GT.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Ohhh! Boo hoo! Let me play a sad song for you on the world's smallest Optimus Prime!"]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[January 24]], [[2015]])
**''ID number:'' '''QT-09'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime is a tiny [[super deformed]] toy based on the [[#Alternity|''Alternity'' Convoy]] design, transforming into a Nissan GT-R R35, though his legs retain the traditional blue truck bed motif. The English name on the packaging refers to him as just "Optimus". He comes with a code for unlocking "GTR Optimus Prime" as a playable character in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' game. Standing at only slightly less than one inch and a half, this is actually the smallest transforming Optimus Prime ever made, which is a fairly impressive feat considering the surprising amount of detail in sculpting and paint apps.

:Optimus Prime was retooled into ''Q-Transformers'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Soundwave]].

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[[File:QTransformers Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[April 25]], 2015 / [[January 30]], 2016)
**''ID numbers:'' '''QT-19''', '''QTF-04'''

:''Q-Transformers'' Convoy is based on his traditional design, transforming into a flat-nose truck with an integrated, non-removable trailer. He comes with a code for unlocking Generation 1 Optimus Prime, under the name "Convoy", in ''Mystery of Convoy Returns''. This toy was re-released with a new ID number as part of the second ''Q-Transformers'' series.

:Convoy was redecoed into ''Q-Transformers'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Q-Transformers|Black Convoy]] and retooled into [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Ultra Magnus]].

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-M'''

:QT-M Optimus Prime is a redeco of the GT-R Optimus Prime mold in the colors of the Transformers-sponsored [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf30th/teammach/ Nissan GT-R] used by the Team Mach racing team (a vehicle previously used as the base for the non-toy character [[Mach Five Racing Prime]]). Like ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Safety Prime]], this toy was a collaboration with the [[w:Super GT|Super GT]] racing series and was given away free to young children who attended TakaraTomy-sponsored "Kids' Walk" events held by Super GT in the fall season of 2015.
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==Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation==
[[File:OptimusPrimeOriginalPlaystation.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|U R NOT <font color=red>E</font>]]
*'''Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation''' (02/2015)
**''Accessories:'' Controller, memory card
: Released alongside a [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Mega Drive Megatron|Sega Mega Drive version of Megatron]] and outside of any other toyline, "Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation" transforms from robot to a scaled-down non-functional [[Sony]] [[PlayStation]] video game console. He features an opening disc compartment and comes with two accessories, a memory card and a controller that splits in two and attaches to his lower arms to act as blasters.
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==''Timelines''==
[[File:BotCon-2015-General-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''General Optimus Prime''' (BotCon 2015 two-pack)
**''Accessories:'' Launcher, missile, missile pod, pistol, rifle, cannon/rifle stock, cannon/rifle scope

: Available in the ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Generation 2" 2-pack alongside [[Hound (G1)/toys#Timelines|Sgt. Hound]] at [[BotCon 2015]], General Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class [[Roadbuster (G1)#Generations|Roadbuster]] based on the cancelled ''Generation 2'' [[#G2General|General Optimus Prime toy]]. He transforms into an off-road vehicle and comes with numerous weapons, all of which peg via 5mm post onto his vehicle rear/legs, shoulders, upper & lower arms, and hands: a spring-loaded, missile-firing launcher, a pistol, a rifle, and two small cannons that respectively form the scope and stock of the rifle. All of his weapons can combine to form an unwieldy superweapon. The flaws from the original mold are likely to be retained from this release.

: This mold also served as the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnations of [[Guiledart#Beast Wars: Uprising|Guiledart]] and [[Killer Punch#Beast Wars: Uprising|Killer Punch]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/BCGeneralOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Timelines'' General Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Unite Warriors''==
[[File:TF-UW05-Convoy.jpg|upright=2.66|thumb]]
*'''Car Robot Combined Warrior Convoy Grand Prime''' (giftset, [[February 27]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-05'''
**''English name:'' '''Autobot Car Robots Combiner Convoy Grand Prime'''
**''Accessories'': Weapons, 4 Gun/Fist/Foots

:Takara's iteration of ''Combiner Wars'' Optimus Maximus is sold in a gift set including all five Autobots (minus the Rodimus mold). This version of Convoy has numerous changes in deco to better match his look in the Generation 1 cartoon. Like ''Unite Warriors'' [[Menasor (G1)#Unite Warriors|Menasor]], the set also features some minor improvements to the original sculpts, such as improved hip-ratchets for Convoy for increased stability. He also had the slightly modified pegs that Legends Class Rodimus (or Blackjack, Runabout, and Runamuck) can securely attach to, which was previously used for Battle Core Optimus Prime. The tampographed Autobot insignia on the roof/flip out head joint are now re-positioned to his side truck panels.

:Compared to the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Wars'' release]] of the mold, Convoy features additional paint operations on the thighs, truck bumpers, the details on the inner legs, the gestalt chest halves (which are now painted over due to being molded in grey plastic), and the gestalt torso's lower section. The stomach's deco is also minimized, and the silver paint operations on the lower legs are now replaced with gunmetal while the mute metallic blue is now shiny metallic. When it comes to unpaintable plastic; his knee joints and feet are blue while the majority of the shoulder joints are now red. In addition, his gestalt skirt flap is now molded in the same grey color, and the the leg panels and thighs are now molded in black, with the latter being painted in silver with some yellow details. As the thighs are painted, care must be taken while transforming him in both modes, as they're somewhat prone to paint scraping. To minimize the damage, the two rear halves must be opened first to transform the legs.
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==''Xiaomi / Transformers''==
[[File:Optimus Prime Power Bank.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Transforms from robot to the Monolith from 2001 and back!]]
*'''Optimus Prime Power Bank''' (2017)
**''Accessories'' Shield/Power Bank Shell, wings, sword, USB cord

:Available as a [[HasCon 2017]] exclusive, this Optimus Prime transforms from robot into a ''working'' power bank that supports 6500 mAh of battery power, thanks to a team-up between [[Hasbro]] and Chinese consumer electronics company {{w|Xiaomi}}. As a throwback to the ''Generation 2''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[Laser Rod]] gimmick, the USB cord can also plug on his sword to light-up.
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==''au x Transformers''==
[[File:INFOBAR-OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|right=1.66|Cell service is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''INFOBAR Optimus Prime (NISHIKIGOI)''' (2017)
**''Accessories:'' Mini flip-phone, display stand, swappable display cards

:Released in conjunction with Japanese cellphone maker au,<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/product_release/pdf/p170201.pdf TakaraTomy au x Transformers Project press release]</ref> ''au x Transformers'' INFOBAR Optimus Prime celebrates 15 years since the 2002 au Design Project that resulted in the INFOBAR cellphone, as well as the 10th anniversary of the [[Live-action film series|live-action films]]. He transforms into a (non-functional) scaled-down replica of the 2002 au INFOBAR, and in lieu of cellphone functions, the figure can be paired via Bluetooth with a smartphone, such as an iPhone, to act as a notification alarm in either robot or INFOBAR mode. The screen is also non-functional, but pre-printed cards are included which can be slid into the screen to show an Autobot logo, Decepticon logo, a mockup of a cellphone home screen, or a technical "Transformers INFOBAR" design. He features articulated hands for grasping the included tiny flip-phone accessory (which can flip open) that is stored in the bottom of the cell phone mode. The figure also includes a display stand.

:The project was crowd-funded through Japanese crowd-funding site Makuake.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/01/31/transformers-x-au-transforming-phones-launch-crowdfunding-campaign-332289 Transformers x au Transforming Phones Launch Crowdfunding Campaign at TFW2005.com]</ref> For 5,400 yen, contributors received an INFOBAR Optimus Prime, or for 16,200 yen, received INFOBAR Optimus Prime, INFOBAR Megatron and INFOBAR Bumblebee, the only way to obtain the last two items. The project received one million yen in the first 24 hours, ultimately topping out at over 32 million yen.

:This figure was redecoed into INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN) (below) and slightly retooled with new heads and redecoed into [[Megatron (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Megatron (BUILDING)]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Bumblebee (ICHIMATSU)]].

::*''[https://time-space.kddi.com/au-transformers/ More information on au x Transformers website (Japanese)]''
::*''[https://www.makuake.com/project/au-transformers/ More information on INFOBAR Optimus Prime at Makuake crowd-funding site (Japanese)]''
::*''[http://chohenken.com/2017/10/08/INFOBARtf_optimusprime-nishikigoi/ Pictorial review of INFOBAR Optimus Prime at Chohenken (Japanese)]''

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[[File:INFOBAR-OptimusPrime-ANNIN.jpg|thumb|right=1.66|White knight vs [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|white noise]].]]
*'''INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN)''' (2017)
**''Accessories:'' Mini flip-phone, display stand, swappable display cards

:INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN) is a redeco of INFOBAR Optimus Prime (NISHIKIGOI), transforming into a recreation of the ANNIN edition of the INFOBAR cellphone. All-white in cellphone mode, he sports additional blue and red detailing in robot mode. Surprisingly, this white repaint of Optimus is not based on Ultra Magnus, but rather his [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|movie incarnation]]. Like the other figures in this line, he is not a working cellphone but can be paired via Bluetooth with a smartphone, such as an iPhone, to act as a notification alarm in either robot or INFOBAR mode. The screen is non-functional, but pre-printed cards are included which can be slid into the screen to show an Autobot logo, Decepticon logo, a mockup of a cellphone home screen, or a technical "Transformers INFOBAR" design. The figure also includes a display stand.

:This figure was also retooled into [[Megatron (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Megatron (BUILDING)]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Bumblebee (ICHIMATSU)]].

::*''[https://time-space.kddi.com/feature/news-sp/20170713/2041 More information on INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN) (Japanese)]''
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==''Authentics''==
[[File:Authentics 5inch Optimus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You know it's bad when they have to tell you it's authentic.]]
*'''Autobot Optimus Prime''' (Bravo, 2017)

:Released in the first wave of the [[Transformers Authentics|''Authentics'']] toyline, "Autobot Optimus Prime" is roughly the size of a 2015 [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)#Mini-Con Battle Packs|''Robots in Disguise'' Battle Pack]] toy. He changes from an [[evergreen]]-inspired robot into a more G1-based truck in just four steps. His instructions are incorrect; for truck mode, his legs must be folded in before the arms, otherwise the locking tabs on the arms will get in the way. Due to his transformation, he ends up with no elbows and a fake chest. He also has problems standing up due to hollow legs.

:Although more of a lucky coincidence than an undocumented feature, Optimus's truck mode can store a sitting [[Titan Master]] (and by extension, a [[Prime Master]]).

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[[File:Authentics 7inch Optimus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|In case you wanted a bigger turd.]]
*'''Autobot Optimus Prime''' (Alpha, 2017)

:Standing at the height of a Voyager figure, "Autobot Optimus Prime" is nearly identical to his smaller counterpart. He retains the four-step transformation while gaining the (sideways) elbows that the little guy lacks. Like his wavemate [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Authentics|Grimlock]], Optimus comes with kibble detached in-package.

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[[File:TF-Authentics-Titan-Changer-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Titan Changer, 2019)
:This Optimus Prime scales with the rest of the Titan Hero/Guardian/Changer figures, utilizing a different transformation scheme compared to his previous ''Authentics'' figures. Due to the said transformation scheme, and unusual for an Optimus Prime toy; his shoulders end up sticking out from the cab's rear.
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==''Street Fighter II × Transformers''==
[[File:Ryu SFIIxTF toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The pipes are broken!]]
*'''Convoy [Ryu] vs Megatron [Vega]''' ([[May 26]], [[2018]])
**''Accessories'': Sword, double-barreled rifle, Headmaster

:Available as part of the exclusive ''[[Street Fighter II × Transformers]]'' toyline, "Convoy" is a redeco of ''Titans Return'' Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#TRVoyager|Optimus Prime]] in [[Ryu]]'s traditional colors, fleshtones and all. He transforms from robot to tanker truck to plane and back. Both vehicle modes have "cockpit" areas to seat any [[Titan Master]] (or compatible) figure. Like all ''Titans Return'' Voyager class figures, he has built in mechanisms to "bulk up" his noggin. In his case these are spring-loaded pylons. The smaller Headmaster's robot mode is also painted to resemble Ryu.

:Ryu was only available in a two-pack with with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Street Fighter II × Transformers|Megatron]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Vega#Toys|Vega]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>. This set was available for pre-order on [[TakaraTomy Mall]] from [[November 22]] to [[November 27|27]], 2017, with orders fulfilled in late May 2018. A pre-order goal was set as well: if at least 3000 units were pre-ordered, the set would also come with clear display stands for both toys.
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==''Golden Lagoon''==
[[File:TF 35th Golden Lagoon Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|No luck required... until you transform him.]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[July 29]], 2018)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''GL-01'''
**''Accessories'': Ion blaster, energon axe, Matrix of Leadership

:''[[The Transformers Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon]]'' Convoy is a gold and gold chrome redeco of MP-10 in homage of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] [[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|episode of the same name]]. He does not include the trailer, Roller or Spike, but retains his energon axe, ion blaster, and Matrix of Leadership.

:Part of TakaraTomy's 35th anniversary celebration, he was initially released at Summer [[Wonder Festival]] 2018, then later through [[Cybertron Satellite]] stores across Japan and [[TakaraTomy Mall]] on [[September 9]], 2018. Along with the rest of the ''Golden Lagoon'' toys, he was later rereleased through [[Hasbro Pulse]] in January 2021.

:This toy was used to represent '''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects comic .281.29|Gold Primus Convoy]]''' in the ''[[Generations Selects Special Comic|Generations Selects]]'' comic.
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==''G-Shock × Transformers''==
[[File:G-Shock X Transformers Master Optimus Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|<big>'''''STAR PLATINUM!'''''</big>]]
*'''Master Optimus Prime''' ([[December 8]], [[2018]])
**''Accessories'': 2 [[Star Drive Cannon]], [[Chrono Matrix]]

:Released to celebrate the 35th anniversary of ''Transformers'' and G-Shock, Master Optimus Prime transforms into a "Pedestal Prime Mode" that can hold the included Chrono Matrix accessory or a G-Shock watch. In particular, it is able to hold G-Shock DW-5600 series and DW-6900 series watches. The included Star Drive Cannons can be held in the hands in robot mode, or attached to its Pedestal Prime Mode.

:This mold was retooled to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Master Nemesis Prime]].

*'''Master Optimus Prime Resonant Mode [With G-Shock]''' (December 8, 2018)
**''Accessories'': 2 Star Drive Cannon, Chrono Matrix

:Essentially the same release as above, but includes a compatible DW-6900TF-4 watch.
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==''Vintage G1''==
[[File:VintageG1-OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Aren't you over [[Bumblebee (film)|trailers]] by now?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2019)
**''Accessories'': 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right)

:Sold at a ''Generations'' Leader-price point, ''[[Vintage G1]]'' Optimus Prime is a [[Walmart]]-exclusive reissue of the [[#The Transformers|Generation 1 toy]] without the trailer. It includes the two versions of his blaster rifle that had not been packaged together since the [[#NewYearConvoy|New Year Special release]], and his smokestacks are now restored to their long, untrimmed glory not seen in the U.S. since the [[#Generation 2|''Generation 2'' toy]]. The silver stripes on his chest and arms are now painted, replacing the factory-applied stickers. In addition, this release comes with a new sticker sheet that features more symmetrical designs.

:Like all ''Vintage G1'' figures, Optimus Prime was [[exclusive]] to [[Walmart]] in the United States and Canada and general release in Asia, notably Toys"R"Us.
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==35th Anniversary==
[[File:TF-35th-Anniversary-OP-set-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy & Optimus Prime Set''' (2-pack, 2019)
**''Release Date'': [[December]] [[2019]]
**''Accessories'': 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right)

:Released as a TakaraTomy Mall exclusive, Convoy is basically a TakaraTomy release of the ''Vintage G1'' toy above, complete with an additional laser blaster. It does not however come with the modified sticker sheet from the ''Vintage G1'' release.

:Convoy was only sold as a set with (but packaged separately from) [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#35th Anniversary|Optimus Prime]].
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==''Crossover Collection''==
[[File:MyLittlePrime.jpg|200px|thumb|right]]
* '''My Little Prime''' ([[2020]])
:Part of a series featuring crossovers between MLP and other properties including ''[[Ghostbusters]]'', ''Power Rangers'', and ''Dungeons & Dragons'', My Little Prime is a pony representation of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] using a mold inspired by Generation 1 of the equine property. He has an Autobot [[insignia]] as his cutie mark. The figure has no articulation aside from a ball-jointed tail.

::*''[https://hasbropulse.com/products/my-little-pony-crossover-collection-transformers-my-little-prime My Little Prime at Hasbro Pulse]''
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==Transformers Fan Book==
[[File:Kodansha-TF-Fanbook-2021-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''[[Transformers Fan Book 2021]]''' (TV-Magazine Mook, 2021)
**''Release Date'': July 2021

:Released as one of the freebies (along with the Stealth-colored Bumblebee) for the 2021 issue of the ''Transformers Fan Book'', this Optimus Prime is yet another redeco of the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Legends Class|''Reveal the Shield'' Legends Class mold]]. Deco changes include the silver paint being stripped from the smokestacks, while the rest of the body parts, such as the lower waist and the upper thighs/tanks, are painted in black instead. This release uses the Motorbreath retooling.

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==Robosen Collector's Edition==
[[File:Robosen_Optimus_Prime_stock.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This isn't your slightly older brother's [[Automorph Technology|automorph.]]]]
*'''Optimus Prime Auto-Converting Robot''' (2021)
**''Accessories'': Carrying case, laser rifle, energy axe, non-removable exhaust pipes, wall charger, micro USB to USB 2.0 cable

:Robosen's Optimus Prime is a highly interactive, programmable transforming robot. With over 5,000 pieces, 60 microchips, 27 servo motors, 6 high-intensity [[light-emitting diode|LED]]s, 80 different sound effects including voice clips from Peter Cullen, a dedicated iOS/Android bluetooth app interface, and a pricetag of $750 USD, it blurs the line between "toy" and "high-end showroom electronics." Users can choose between multiple ways to control its robotic movements: including pre-programmed voice commands, pre-programmed app controls, or user-created movement scripts. In truck mode, it can drive as directed or honk its horn. In its [[#MP10|MP-10 Convoy]]-influenced 19"-tall robot mode, it can execute a long list of included scripted actions featuring voice and sound effects, plus an infinite variety of user-programmed poses and user-scripted movement sequences. It has distinct attack movements and sounds to be used with its weapons, and has flip-out wrist communicators featuring sticker images of Megatron and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]].

:The main power source is an internal rechargeable lithium ion battery. The truck's front bumper flips down to expose the charging port and the separate micro USB interface port. A replaceable CR 1220 3V battery powers the "laser rifle's" LED; it's not really a laser, but it's bright. The instructions say don't look straight at it.

:In voice command mode, the spoken user command for conversion between truck and robot modes is officially supposed to be "[[Trademark#Genericized trademarks|convert]]," but secretly the toy will respond the same if you say "transform." It also responds to more than 30 other simple words and phrases which trigger other animations and basic functions: such as: "turn left" to turn left, "move right" to step to the right, or "hero" to strike a superheroic ground-punching pose. 6 months after launch, the Robosen software developers were still releasing new movement animations and firmware updates via channels that can be found in the official app, with no announced end date for their continuing improvements.

:27 servo motors might sound like a lot, but compared to contemporary 1st-party figures costing hundreds and hundreds (''and hundreds!'') of dollars less, this item does lack some poseability joints that have become ubiquitous: such as neck rotation, wrist rotation, and the type of leg rotation that would have allowed the feet to point in different directions.

:Although this Optimus Prime does mostly transform on its own, there are some additional manual adjustments required to make each mode look the way it's advertised. In robot mode, one red panel can be removed from the back of the head, and the gas tanks can be moved into a lower position on the legs. If the gas tanks are not lowered, they can protrude enough to obstruct animation. For vehicle mode, the removable red panel should be reattached, gas tanks moved back so they don't cover the wheels, and the side-view mirrors can be flipped out.

:In truck mode, especially via app control, Optimus is a fully functional remote control vehicle that can move forward, backward, and turn. Its steering does not happen the way real trucks do when they tilt the axles of the front wheels within their wheel wells; Instead, Optimus turns by throwing both legs simultaneously to one side or the other, which gives the appearance that the entire cab is pivoting around a central axis.

:In robot mode, Optimus' default idle behavior is not to stand perfectly still. Instead, he will slowly "breathe" with a subtle inhaling/exhaling motion like a human would have after aerobic exercise. From there, he will occasionally shift into other statuesque poses.

:When asked to turn right or left in robot mode, Optimus is not able to perform that action in two or three normal steps with ankle and hip rotation like a human would. He lacks any leg joints that rotate around a vertical axis, so for him to rotate his body to the right, he must perform a startling stutter shuffle move. He pushes one foot out slightly forward, the other foot slightly backward, and maintains that orientation while rapidly sliding his legs together and apart more than once per second until the asymmetrical rapid sliding friction of his feet against the floor eventually scoots him into facing a different direction. This movement can wear out the paint on his inner soles pretty fast, even on smoother surfaces.

:None of the toy's motorized joints are capable of supporting substantial weight without electricity. This means that when powered off, the robot cannot stand upright without external support. Luckily, gravity does allow truck mode to hold together without drooping, but even that will go skewgee if you lift it carelessly. If the toy is in robot mode and senses its batteries are getting low, then to prevent a damaging fall, it will automatically shift into a droopy squatting pose that it can safely sustain while powered off. The average operating time from a full battery charge is approximately 40 minutes. The charging port is not accessible while the robot is standing up. Plugging in the charger while the toy is powered on might endanger fragile components.

:Aside from the laser rifle, none of the LED lights in the eyes, headlights, or tail lights can be deactivated while the toy is powered on. In robot mode, the brake lights shine brightly from the backs of the feet, and the headlights shine from within the forearms. Some of the pre-programmed actions exploit this deliberately, by having Optimus brandish his bright headlights as flip-out weapons. The laser rifle's LED turns on and off with its own physical switch.

:Many of the pre-loaded animations assume Optimus is holding his gun in his right hand and/or that he is holding his axe in his left hand. The toy has no sensors to detect whether those accessories are in place, and the app does not consistently label which animations use accessories. It also does not label the many animations that might damage the toy if attempted while accessories are attached, but <s>transforming</s> converting him or punching the ground would be a bad idea. So don't activate any animations while the accessories are attached unless you're sure you know what will happen.

:In addition to action/fighting/greetings animations, there are also many silly animations available from the official download page, including: Air Guitar with the G1 cartoon theme song, air drumming, a gyrating silent "Christmas" dance, doing push-ups then getting exhausted and passing out, and the {{w|Dab_(dance)|Dab}}.

:The app-controlled motion programming interface is extremely complex. The position of each joint at each step in an animation can be dictated either with numerical parameters, or by sensing the positions of the joints on the toy during programming. Many poses can be strung together to form long action sequences. The app uses long gamified sequences of tutorials to teach programming techniques and unlock more sound clips for use in more animations. Despite that available complexity though, there are some actions used by official animations that cannot be performed in customized sequences: such as a head nod, a full mode conversion, or vehicle driving commands.

:Given this piece's fragility, complexity, and high cost, it is appropriate that it is packaged in a heavy duty foam-padded carrying case, complete with clasps and a handle. But the case can't protect from paint wear issues that arise quickly via actual use. Prime's knuckles and feet will instantly get severe scrape marks if he transforms on a rough surface like concrete, but even smooth unvarnished wood can wear the gloss off the paint before long. Even soft carpeting might not be safe, as some users report toppling issues due to a ''lack'' of traction.

:The sound effect for Prime's gun is of a distinctly "realistic" machine gun, and Hasbro has stated this effect may be changed.<ref>https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/22623017/optimus-prime-transformer-auto-converting-programmable-robot-hasbro-robosen Review of Robosen Optimus Prime mentioning the sound effect choice</ref>

:Accurate 3-D images of this Robosen toy appear throughout its app interface, but the app also decorates prominent buttons with drawings of ''[[Evergreen]]'' Optimus. The app and manual also contain many mistakes in spelling, grammar, typography, labeling transposition, etc.

:This item was revealed on [[Hasbro Pulse]] in April 2021, and began shipping to purchasers in October 2021. The TakaraTomy release of the figure is unchanged, though the dialogue will be swapped from English to Japanese with [[Tessho Genda]] reprising his role.
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==''Anti-Gravity Pedestal Tenseg Base''==
[[File:Anti-Gravity-Pedestal-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime Set'''
**''Release Date'': March [[2022]]
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "[[Flight stand#Flight stands|Tenseg Base]]"

:This uniquely branded ''Anti-Gravity Pedestal Tenseg Base'' release of Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Ultra Magnus]]'s inner robot. Optimus Prime comes with a silver "Tenseg Base" which he can attach to, simulating a "floating" pose. Optimus Prime retains ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]''/''Kingdom'' Ultra Magnus's blaster accessory, colored in a darker metallic gray in a possible attempt to emulate Prime's usual [[ion blaster]].

:Unusually for TakaraTomy, the vehicle mode stock photos are slightly mistransformed - the upper body isn't slid all the way forward, which makes the truck grille appear misaligned. Also, the Hasbro Pulse listing of the figure hilariously labels it as a "[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'']]" figure.

:Sold separately are two alternately colored bases; one in <span style="color: #a62621">heroic Autobot red</span> and the other in <span style="color: #634993">'''EVIL''' Decepticon purple</span>.

:In a happy accident of cross-compatibility, Tenseg Base Optimus Prime can be equipped with the armor and alternate head included with ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Ultra Magnus]] to replicate the [[:File:RedCabPoweredConvoy.jpeg|red cab variant]] of ''[[Diaclone]]'' Powered Convoy released in [[GiG]]'s short-lived ''[[Trasformer]]'' {{sic}} toyline, minus Super Buggy.
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==''Classic Heroes Team''==
[[File:Classic Heroes Team Rescan Optimus Prime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (All Star Rescan, [[2022]])

: A redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (toyline)|Rescue Bots]]'' [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#RacingTrailer|Optimus Prime Racing Trailer set]] minus the trailer, ''[[Transformers: Classic Heroes Team|Classic Heroes Team]]'' Optimus Prime converts from robot mode to truck mode in a single step and features a slightly different deco from the original release, including blue windows instead of black, yellow highlights in place of the light blue and greens, new silver and black paint applications on the legs, and a new Autobot insignia over the chest area.
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==''LEGO''==
[[File:LegoOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"[[Avengers|Autobots, assemble]]… my body."]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[June 1]], [[2022]])
**''Set Number'': '''10302'''
**''Pieces'': '''1,508'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Ion blaster]]", "[[Energon-axe|Energon axe]]", "[[Energon cube]]", "[[Matrix of Leadership|Autobot Matrix of Leadership]]", [[Jet pack|jetpack]], display plaque, optional waist panel

:The first ever collaboration between [[Hasbro]] and one of its main competitors [[LEGO]], 10302 Optimus Prime is a fully brick-built model of the Autobot leader, released under LEGO's ''[[fandom:Brickipedia:Creator|Creator Expert]]'' subtheme. Unlike Hasbro's ''[[Kre-O]]'' sets that preceded it, this ''LEGO'' Optimus Prime set is fully transformable from robot to truck mode without having to disassemble any parts. Unlike the ''[[Diablock]]'' version, Prime is not only a more streamlined and [[Show-accuracy|cartoon-accurate]] build, but also comes fully kitted out with a plethora of accessories this time around. Not only is his ion blaster included as usual, the set also contains his iconic "Energon axe", a pink "Energon cube", the "Autobot Matrix of Leadership" (which can be stored inside his chest), and even a jetpack based on the one he borrowed from [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]" (which can be attached to his back). He also includes an optional waist piece for fans to either display him with the Generation 1 toy-accurate truck bumper or the cartoon-accurate yellow block-shaped detail. All the aforementioned accessories are also completely brick-built, but only the Matrix and ion blaster can be stored when Prime is in truck mode.

:To round things out, an ''[[fandom:Brickipedia:Ultimate Collector's Series|Ultimate Collector's Series]]''-styled display plaque featuring Optimus Prime's name (in both English and Ancient Autobot), function, motto, and [[Tech Spec]]s is included.

:Unfortunately, Prime's legs are extremely limited in articulation, featuring only hip joints, ankle joints, and a knee swivel with no thigh swivels or bend at the knee. This is likely due to stability concerns, as he is a top-heavy model that stands almost the height of a Supreme Class toy. (The ''Masterpiece'' MP-01 Optimus Prime only barely comes up to his shoulder.) His waist swivel, while present, is also practically neutered by the truck bumper placement in robot mode. However, he features a range of articulation in his arms and neck.

::*''[https://brickset.com/sets/10302-1/Optimus-Prime More information on 10302 Optimus Prime at Brickset]''
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==Notes==
===Before he became Optimus Prime===
[[File:PrototypeTHB.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Not so Optimus Prime.]]

*The first prototype for Battle Convoy, the ''[[Diaclone]]'' originator of Optimus Prime, was vastly different from the final version, complete with an entirely different transformation and a car carrying trailer. The head lacked the faceplate.
*A later prototype/mock-up was much closer to the final product but still has some noticeable differences, such as a head with much larger antennae, longer smokestacks and a front grille section that includes the rectangular section that would sport the "Freightliner" logo on the real-life truck (on the final toy, the rectangular section is part of the hinged upper section that includes the windows). It would have also been possible to attach the [[ion blaster]] to either of his shoulders.<ref name="diaclonecatalogs">[https://web.archive.org/web/20151017201739/http://1501bc.com/pretf/pictures/tfdiac6b.jpg Diaclone catalog scans] at 1501bc.com.</ref>
*The toy that would ultimately end up as the original Optimus Prime toy was originally released in August [[1983]] as No.17 Battle Convoy from Takara's Diaclone Car Robo toyline in Japan. In [[1984]], [[Joustra]] released their own version (still with ''Diaclone'' sticker on the trailer) as part of their Diaclone line in Europe, either simply called ''Truck'' (according to the pack-in catalog) or ''Diaclone'' (in the pack-in comic). It's possible that [[GiG]] also released a version called ''Camion Convoy'' as part of their ''[[Trasformer]]'' line in Italy, but to this day no packaged sample has surfaced.
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===The many releases of Optimus Prime===
[[File:SeveralG1Convoy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Too much Prime on my hands.]]
Over the years, the [[#The_Transformers|original Optimus Prime]] has been repackaged and reissued multiple times:

*In the US and Canada, limited edition promotional versions were available sporting Pepsi stickers; the Canadian version has large Pepsi stickers that cover the entire trailer, while the US version only has small Pepsi stickers that partially obscure the lines running across the trailer;
*In addition to the standard Japanese 01 Convoy release, Takara also released the toy as part of the [[#VSX|VSX Convoy vs. Megatron]] two-pack in [[1985]];
*Takara released a variant sporting clear blue windows and as part of the "[[#goodbye|Good Bye Convoy]]" set (packaged with [[Red Alert (G1)#Toys|Alert/Red Alert]] and [[Mirage (G1)#Toys|Ligier/Mirage]]) in [[1986]];
*Hasbro's subsidiary [[Milton Bradley]] (MB) released the toy in Europe in late 1985, following a slight delay due to licensing issues;<ref name="mbtfs">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/mb-transformers-part-5/ "The Jetfire vs Optimus Prime mixup"] at 20th Century Toy Collector</ref> there are no less than ''three'' variants of MB-packaged Optimus Prime, one of them manufactured by Takara and sporting blue feet, the other two manufactured by [[Joustra]] as part of a deal with Hasbro/MB, one of them with blue and the other one with red feet;<ref name="3mb">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/the-three-mb-optimus-primes/ "The Three MB Optimus Primes"] at 20th Century Toy Collector</ref>
*After Hasbro's European division had changed the packaging from "MB" to "Hasbro", the toy continued to be available in 1986, including more of the Joustra-manufactured red and blue feeted versions, which were apparently also available in the UK in English-only packaging;<ref name="3mb"/>
*[[GiG]] released the toy as ''Commander'' as part of their ''Transformers'' line in Italy in 1985, including an all-plastic variant in 1986;
*[[IGA]] released their version in Mexico in 1985; unsold stock was later imported to a plethora of European countries, including the UK, with Optimus Prime having the yellow paint scraped off his eyes and then having them painted over in red;
*Hasbro reissued the "Original Autobot Leader" toy as part of their European ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line of reissues in [[1991]];
*Hasbro released a [[#Generation_2|redecoed version with additional accessories]] as part of their [[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]] in [[1993]];
*Takara reissued the original toy in its original 1985 Japanese packaging in [[2000]], with an all-black recolor being available from assorted Japanese conventions and another variant with gold instead of silver parts, stickers, and paint as a [[Lucky Draw figure|lucky draw]] prize;
*Takara reissued the toy again as ''New Year Special'' version in January 2002, sporting clear blue windows (similar to Good Bye Convoy) and featuring additional accessories such as a Matrix necklace and a [[Show-accuracy|show accurate]] recolor of the Action Master Optimus Prime figure;
*Hasbro reissued the toy in the US and the UK as part of their ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]'' line of reissues in [[2002]], sporting shortened down smokestacks [[for safety reasons]];
*Takara reissued the toy once again in [[2003]], as part of their ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' line of reissues, numbered 00 and featuring additional accessories such as an energon axe;
*Takara released a recolored version featuring a new trailer in December [[2005]], called ''[[Pepsi Convoy]]''.
*Hasbro released their own version of Pepsi Convoy, named "[[#PepsiPrime|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]", as a [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] exclusive in [[2007]], featuring the familiar [[For safety reasons|safety]]-shortened smokestacks of the Commemorative Series reissue.
*In August 2007 TakaraTomy yet again did a rerelease similar to the 2000 Convoy rerelease, this time as part of the "[[Transformers Encore]]" line. This version has a new rifle with a longer handle so Optimus can finally hold it straight.
*TakaraTomy released [http://seibertron.com/advertisement.php?id=8 "Convoy iPod Docking Bay with Speakers"] in September 2007. It is an iPod speaker/dock in the shape of a truck, featuring an all-white version of Convoy with a new head sculpt reminiscent of Masterpiece Convoy as the cab, and a trailer housing a pair of speakers and a docking point for an iPod.
*In March [[2008]], TakaraTomy released a G1-colored version of the iPod Convoy set.
*Hasbro released the ''25th Anniversary'' gift set edition detailed above in 2008, as part of the 2008 ''Universe'' line, once again with [[For safety reasons|shortened smokestacks]].
*TakaraTomy released another reissue based on the ''Encore'' version as part of their ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' line in 2011, lacking the original Generation 1 trailer. Instead, the ''Chronicle'' version was available in a two-pack with ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Optimus Prime]] and a new trailer that could be used by both Optimuses, thanks to a retooled trailer hitch on the Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure.
*In 2012, Hasbro reissued Optimus Prime again for their Asian markets, this time mixing the 25th Anniversary version of the toy itself with the older ''Commemorative Series'' packaging.<ref name="25thcomm">[http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?t=44388 "Bad news RE: new Commemorative Prime"] at Cybertron.ca.</ref>
*In 2019, Optimus was rereleased once again, this time without his trailer and with his original long smokestacks (something he hasn't had in America since Generation 2), in Hasbro's Vintage G1 line of reissues exclusive to Walmart stores in US and Canada.
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===Powermaster Optimus Prime design history===
[[File:EarlyPMPrime1.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Overcompensating.]]
[[Powermaster]] Optimus Prime, being the grand toy rebirth of Optimus Prime post-movie, apparently received a lot of thought during the design process. Prime went through an inordinate number of design changes from concept to final with at least three very major revisions:

*The earliest version, as shown in the first patent application for the toy, was to have the Prime cab be a triplechanger, turning from truck cab to jet or robot.<ref>[http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880604&CC=JP&NR=S63132686A&KC=A Patent #JP63-132686]</ref> The nosecone of the jet and robot legs were released by the Powermaster lock in the same fashion as the legs in the final version. Optimus would have had winged arms in non-super [[robot mode]]. The super robot mode's head was also integrated into the trailer's hitch... and lacked a faceplate.

[[File:EarlyPMPrime2.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55|Blockhead.]]
*The second known version <ref>''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]'', p22, p106</ref> ditched the triplechanging gimmick on the cab and simplified things a good bit. This Powermaster Prime has several distinct characteristics only seen in the second design, such as the wider "block head" and two faux smokestacks on top of either shoulder as opposed to one. Also, in a rather odd twist, this design features a black head and fists for both super and regular modes rather than the traditional blue. It also had yellow eyes in either mode a la the original Optimus Prime.

[[File:EarlyPMPrime3.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55|''Triple-Power-Headmaster Optimus Prime'' was just too damn long to put on the box.]]
*The third version <ref>''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]'', p106</ref> would quite possibly have been the most gimmick loaded Transformer in the history of the line, simultaneously being a Powermaster, [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]], and [[Triple Changer]]. The Headmaster also would have been a Triple Changer, turning into a sort of armored four-wheeled rover (Roller II?) and robot as well as a rather silly looking Optimus Prime head with four vertically aligned wheels jutting off the sides. It seems that when the extra Headmaster gimmick was scrapped, the super mode head remained separate rather than being reintegrated into the trailer hitch such as on the earliest design. Notably, the body of this design is extremely close to the final design.
*A fourth version is shown in the 1987-88 Transformers product catalog that has several minor differences from both Powermaster Prime and [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]], such as having God Ginrai's sliding fists but in red, a completely different trailer hitch assembly partially based on the third design, an offset Autobot symbol in base mode, extended feet also based on third design, far more detailed super mode outer leg panels, completely different front bumper, and the first instance of single faux shoulder smokestacks rather than two. It is still unknown as to why Powermaster Prime has completely different arms from God Ginrai or all earlier concept versions.

Powermaster Prime's animation model as used in the commercials and as a character guide for the Marvel comics is a composite of the second and third designs. The body of the model is actually a straight tracing of the concept lineart for the third version (including its different rifles and twin faux shoulder stacks), with a slightly simplified drawing of the second version's head drawn on top.
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===Miscellaneous Primes===
[[File:Early Star Convoy Planning Stage.jpg‎|thumb|upright=1.1|I am the prototype of the toy of the future!]]
*''Return of Convoy'' catalogues reveal the planning process behind Star Convoy's evolution from gimmick-rich illustration to prototype before reaching final production.
[[File:PMHeroTrace.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Stealing purses across the ages.]]
*The pose used for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[#HeroOptimusPrime|Hero Optimus Prime]]'s [[package art]] is rather blatantly swiped from [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Powermaster]] [[#PMOP|Optimus Prime]]'s package art.
*On a similar note, ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' [[#Machine Wars|Optimus Prime]]'s package art is merely edited from ''Generation 2'' [[#LaserOptimusPrime|Laser Optimus Prime]]'s card art, keeping it mostly intact save for the removal of shoulder kibble and the addition of a non-windowed chestplate.
[[File:Optimus prime nokia 6820.JPG|left|thumb|125px|Wait...I'm sure this is from Finland. But why did [[Seymour Simmons|Simmons]] say...]]
*The Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy was featured in a print ad for [[Nokia]] {{w|Nokia 68xx series#Nokia 6820|6820}} phones in December 2004.<ref name="nokia">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-featured-in-nokia-a/4374/ "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime Featured in Nokia Ad"]</ref> He is posed bent over to look at the phone and scratching his head. Pleasantly, ''most'' of the pose pictured is perfectly possible with an un-[[Customizing|kitbash]]ed, un-Photoshopped version of the toy. (The real toy can't bend forward at the waist like that, alas.)
*''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]] was initially intended to be Deluxe-sized. An alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> included a Deluxe-sized Optimus Prime without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> Don Figueroa's [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the size of the figure was changed.
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Optimus Prime (G1)/toys

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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime boxart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|Awwwwww yeah......]]
Since 1984, [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Generation 1 '''Optimus Prime''']] has received the largest number of toys for any single ''[[Transformers brand|Transformers]]'' character, a testament to the character's enduring popularity and status as a hero to many fans.

Due to the popularity of the character and the evergrowing [[Generation 1 continuity family]], this article had become far too large, causing internet browsers to struggle loading all of its contents—and in the most extreme cases—crashing entirely. For the sake of a nice clean split, we have opted to move all of Optimus Prime's ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' toys into a separate article which can be found '''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys|here]]'''.

==''The Transformers''==
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[[File:G1 OptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|From the ''Diaclone'' Battle Convoy came Optimus Prime and all his subsequent incarnations.]][[File:G1toy optimus prime variants and running changes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Most people would be happy with just ''one'' Optimus Prime, but noooooo...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (1984, 1985, 1986)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), [[Trailer]]/[[Combat Deck (G1)#Toys|Combat Deck]], [[Roller (G1)#Toys|Roller]], 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

: The original Optimus Prime toy started life as the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toy, "Battle Convoy", created by a team of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] designers who came on board when the original designer fell behind. This team included [[Hiroyuki Obara]] (listed as the sole creator on the toy's patent) and famed mecha designer [[Shōji Kawamori]]. The toy transforms into two major components; the first component being a red and blue White Freightliner WFT-8664T cabover semi-trailer truck partially composed of [[die-cast]] metal, and the second component being a large silver trailer of currently-undetermined model.

:The cab transforms into the [[robot mode]] of Optimus Prime himself, with the addition of a pair of removable blue fists that plug into his headlights. The fists themselves do not store anywhere in vehicle mode, but can fit easily in Prime's opening chest compartment (originally designed to accommodate two ''Diaclone'' driver figures). Prime is armed with a black laser rifle that, due to design, he cannot hold straight. Due to his transformation, his articulation is relatively high for the era, mainly in the arms, which feature rotation at the shoulders, biceps, and wrists, along with elbow bends and a backward shoulder joint. He's also one of the few toys of the 1984 era to have knees (which serve to facilitate the "Powered Convoy" upgrade), though their use is restricted by his lack of forward hip movement. His smokestacks can rotate, but don't serve much purpose whatsoever.

:Prime's trailer opens up into his [[Combat Deck (G1)|Combat Deck]], containing the scout drone, [[Roller (G1)|Roller]]. The interior of the Combat Deck features three pegs that can accommodate Prime's laser rifle, fuel pump and nozzle accessories, and seating for two ''Diaclone'' drivers. As its central feature, the Combat Deck features a missile-armed repair drone pod mounted upon a boom lift arm (featuring another cockpit for a ''Diaclone'' driver), which can also be extended through holes in the trailer's roof and front-end when it is closed. Situated in the base of the boom arm is a spring-loaded launcher that can launch Roller out of the Combat Deck and into action. Roller himself has seating for four ''Diaclone'' passengers, and features a port that can accommodate either Prime's rifle or the fuel pump. The interior space of the trailer allows storage room for one standard Autobot car, which can also be shot forward by the launcher.

:Optimus Prime was subject to several molding and color variations in his early days. The earliest release of the figure featured larger fists, a gun with a thick, round barrel, a slightly-differently shaped gas pump, grey rockets, a grey Roller, a grey launcher in his Combat Deck, and metal plates in the floor of the Combat Deck (a holdover from the ''Diaclone'' version of the toy, to which the magnetic feet of the pilots could cling). In short order, his fists were slimmed down, the gun's barrel was pared down to a more slender form, the gas pump's shape was altered, the rockets and launcher were recast in black plastic, the metal plates were removed from the Combat Deck, and Roller's color was changed to a light blue. Along with Roller's color change, however, the Combat Deck's drone pod also became light blue, and a third running change soon followed that saw it restored to its original darker blue, and Roller changed along with it. These modified components would become the default accessories used by subsequent reissues of the Prime toy, though Roller stills fluctuates back and forth between grey and dark blue, depending on how [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]] each reissue wants to be.

:The Japanese release of the figure also underwent the changes in weapon shapes, but never featured a silver Roller; instead, their original release of Prime featured a ''Diaclone''-style Roller without the two rear pegs, and the differently-shaped launcher that accommodated him, before a running change switched over to the Hasbro version of the mold. Finally, in some European countries, Prime sported red feet, as opposed to his traditional blue; this version of the figure is also known in some cases to feature a differently-painted forehead crest which leaves the three central indentations unpainted blue.

:For the mainland Europe [[Milton Bradley]] release, there were two [[variant]]s of Optimus Prime available: the first version, manufactured by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]], sported blue feet like most other versions; the second version, manufactured by [[Joustra]]'s parent company [[Ceji]], sported red feet instead.<ref name="3mb" /> On top of that, the Italian release of "Commander" by [[GiG]] eventually featured a [http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vprime6.html later variant] that replaced the rubber tires and [[die-cast]] feet with plastic parts, similar to the US [[KB Toys]] variant of [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Toys|Ultra Magnus]].

:Having been removed from toy store shelves after 1985, Optimus Prime was made available as a mail-away toy in the "[[Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction (G1)|Digital Doom on the Highway to Destruction]]" offer in the US in 1986 to coincide with the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers movie]] premiering that year. He cost $21.50 and 5 [[Robot Point]]s. He was also offered in 'The Autobots Have A Special Mission For...' mail-away pamphlet and came with a special "Movie Edition Certificate" and a round sticker that read " Movie . Edition . Transformer" with the Autobot symbol in the middle. (This item is considered ''rare''.)

:Over twenty-plus years, there have been a ''bajillion'' releases of this mold, some identical to the original toy, and some featuring significant variants with notably different paint jobs, color schemes, accessories and other pack-ins. We have striven to list all these variants on this page under their respective series; for a quick-reference list of all variants and releases [[#Notes|check here]]. The cab robot has also been used sparingly to represent different characters; outfitted with different trailers, it has become Generation 1 [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Pepsi Convoy]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Generation 1 Optimus Prime at TFU.info]
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[[File:G1-toy OptimusPepsi.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Pepsibots, roll out!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Limited edition promotional variant, 1985)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:A limited edition of the Optimus Prime toy sold as a mail-away exclusive by [[Pepsi|PepsiCo]] was made available in North America in 1985. This version of the figure came with a small fold-out leaflet glued to the top-right of the packaging, which contained two Pepsi logo stickers for the buyer to attach to Prime, mid-way through the traditional silver-and-blue stripe on his trailer. [[Canada]] also got a version of this promotional figure, but with much larger stickers that were the full length and height of the trailer. This promotion would go on to serve as the inspiration for the Japanese character of [[Pepsi Convoy]], who would in turn be released by Hasbro as a new "[[#PepsiPrime2007|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]" in 2007.

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[[File:Convoy megatron vsx.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron, what are we doing in the same box?!]]
*'''Convoy vs. Megatron''' (Versus set, 1985)
**''ID number:'' '''VSX'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

: This Japanese-[[exclusive]] release of Optimus Prime came with the Japanese release of [[Megatron (G1)/toys|Megatron]]. There are no differences between this release of Convoy and the individually released toy.

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[[File:Goodbye convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|He's not leaving! He's right behind you!]]
*'''Good Bye Convoy''' (Multipack, 1986)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump
: Commemorating the death of Optimus Prime in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', this set contains a special version of the original Optimus Prime figure with show-inspired translucent blue windows. It was packaged with [[Mirage (G1)/toys|Ligier]] and [[Red Alert (G1)/toys|Alert]], in an apparent homage to the similar ''Diaclone'' "Powered Convoy DX" giftset that packaged the "Powered Convoy" version of the Optimus mold with figures using the molds of Ligier and Alert.

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[[File:Ultramagnusg1toy.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Honkimus Prime.]]
*'''Ultra Magnus''' (1986)
**''ID number:'' '''C-69'''
**''Accessories:'' Large robot head, rifle, chest plate, 2 trailer connectors/waist plates, 2 small robot fists (left & right), 2 large robot fists (left & right), 2 missile launchers, 4 missiles
{{note|Ultra Magnus' inner white Optimus Prime redeco was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as Optimus Prime in the ''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' issue "[[The War Never Ends]]".}}

: Ultra Magnus is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Diaclone]]'' "Powered Convoy" figure, itself a redeco and slight retool of "Battle Convoy", the toy that became the original Optimus Prime figure, sporting a new trailer. One of the last few ''Diaclone'' toys to be released in the ''Transformers'' toyline, Magnus was recolored from the original toy's dark blue, red and black color scheme into a more patriotic red, white and blue, though his chestplate, which was rendered white in his package art followed a more the blue color scheme of his shoulders. He transforms into a Freightliner COE, towing a car-carrier trailer capable of transporting up to four normal-sized Autobot cars. As with Optimus Prime, his cab transforms into a small robot, which can then combine with the trailer to form a "super robot", although all original Generation 1 fiction prior to the 21st century ignored this and simply rendered the super robot as Magnus's default robot form. To facilitate this combination, Magnus sports a slightly longer front axle than Prime, thereby creating tabs on either side of the cab that slide into grooves in the trailer to help lock the small robot into place. He is armed with a rifle sporting two handles that allow either of his [[robot mode]]s to hold it, and two shoulder-mounted missile launchers, whose spring-loaded firing mechanism was removed for the Hasbro release of the figure.

:The ''Diaclone'' Powered Convoy figure had several additional features and modes which were mostly excised or left unmentioned for the ''Transformers'' release of Ultra Magnus. Principally, Powered Convoy came packaged with "Powered Buggy", who was left out of Magnus's release (see [[#Notes|notes below]] for further details). Omitted from Magnus's instructions is the ability of his chestplate and super robot head to combine to form a small vehicle; the Powered Convoy version of the figure included small rolling wheels on the underside of the chestplate which were removed for Ultra Magnus. Additionally, three additional modes were included in the ''Diaclone'' instructions that Hasbro left out: a "preparation base" mode and an "Autobot base" mode were excluded entirely, while the third, a "catapult launcher" mode originally intended and proportioned to accommodate the ''Diaclone'' Jet Robo figure that became [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], was shown only on the front of his packaging, interacting with [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]]. The Japanese release of Ultra Magnus—released as part of the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#Toys 2|Scramble City]]'' sub-line—''did'' include instructions for the preparation base and catapult launcher modes, but replaced the original Autobot base mode with a new configuration.

:The original Ultra Magnus figure has been reissued and redecoed several times down the years, and this article strives to list each edition of the figure under its own heading. The first alteration to Magnus, however, was a [[variant|running change]] made while he was still on shelves: Originally, his tires were made of [[rubber tires|rubber]] and he sported paint on both his small and large robot heads, but this version was soon replaced with one featuring plastic tires and no paint on either head. In addition, the clear yellow plastic that formed his windows was removed from the cab, leaving just holes instead; and his thighs and fuel tanks were left white, as opposed to the vacuum metalized chrome ones of the original release.

:The small robot component, as well as being part of Optimus Prime, was also released with a different trailer as [[Pepsi Convoy]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/UltraMagnus/ultramagnus.htm More information on Ultra Magnus at TFU.info]''
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[[File:PowermasterOptimusPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My Japanese release has a lot more bling. And shorter stacks.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Powermaster, 1988)
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin [[Particle beam cannon|Particle Beam Cannons]], Super Robot head

:Powermaster Optimus Prime was the first new toy of the Autobot leader since the original toy's release in 1984. He is an all-new design, featuring the [[Powermaster]] gimmick: His partner figure, Hi-Q, must be transformed into an engine and attached to Prime's vehicle mode in order to enable the transformation into robot mode.

:Like the original figure, Powermaster Prime is composed of two major components: his truck cab, which transforms into Prime himself, and his trailer, which is essentially a heavily-armed version of the original. The trailer has a fold-down ramp to allow the storage of a smaller Transformer, or perhaps spare accessories. The trailer transforms into a battle station armed with two long black rifles and two grey double-barreled cannons (featuring seating for Powermaster engine figures), all of which Optimus Prime can also wield in his fists.

:Aside from the Powermaster feature itself, the main [[gimmick]] of the toy is the ability of the truck cab to combine with the trailer to form the larger "Super Optimus Prime" figure. This is essentially accomplished by standing the trailer up, folding the cab in half and inserting it into the empty cavity in the trailer's torso, forming an imposing—if almost entirely unposeable—robot form armed with all four weapons. The head of this super robot form is a separate piece which can be stored in the rear of Prime's trailer when not in use. While Hi-Q was always shown plugged into Prime's chest in artwork of this mode (as seen in the picture here), this was actually entirely unnecessary as transforming into Super Optimus Prime didn't require the standard Prime toy's legs to be unlocked.

:The Japanese release of Powermaster Optimus Prime actually represented a new character named [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]], and featured several retools: the cab featured die-cast metal, shortened smokestacks, vacuum-metalized plastic and clear blue windows, while the trailer was given retractable super robot fists. This Japanese version was eventually issued by Hasbro in 2003 as part of the [[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] collection ([[#Commemorative Series|see below]]).

:This toy was later redecoed into the Japanese-exclusive Nucleon Quest Super Convoy.

:There were several different prototypes made for this toy. [[#Powermaster Optimus Prime design history|See a list here]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1988/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optmiusprime.htm More information on Powermaster Optimus Prime on TFU.info]''

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[[File:ActionMasterPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Eastbound and Down.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Action Master, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' 2 Laser Guns, Galactic Pulverizer Gun Barrels, 4 Blaster Cannons, 2 Energon Exhaust Stack, Photon Bazooka

: The largest [[Action Master]] set, this incarnation of Optimus Prime is a non-transforming action figure which comes with the "[[Armored Convoy]]", a large, heavily armed tractor trailer. The cab of the truck transforms into a small jet that can seat one Action Master figure, while the trailer itself converts into a larger battle station with turrets that several Action Masters can man. The sculpt of the Prime figure itself is closely based on his [[character model]], albeit with a coloration that seems to have been based at least partially on the small robot form of his Powermaster body.

:The Action Master Optimus Prime figure was later redecoed with a more [[Show-accuracy|show-accurate]] color scheme and included in the Japanese-exclusive "New Year" reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy in 2002.

:Also, unlike the one seen in the commercial, the final product loses paint operations of Optimus Prime's upper legs.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1990/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Action Master Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Euro classics optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Original Optimus Prime''' (Original Autobot Leader, 1990)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:This straight reissue of the original Optimus Prime figure was released in Hasbro's European markets in the early 1990s, at the same time as many other Generation 1 figures were being re-released as "[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]". Oddly, although he shares their golden packaging, Prime is not actually ''identified'' as a "Classics" figure anywhere on his box, but is generally considered to be part of the sub-line for simplicity's sake.

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*'''Convoy''' (reissue, 2000)[[File:2000 japanese prime reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:The first in what would be a deluge of reissues of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure in the 21st century, this Japanese release sported a golden sticker on his packaging announcing the celebration of the Transformers' 15th anniversary in the country. It featured slightly modified fists to help hold the gun better.

:Simultaneously, this figure was available as a black convention-exclusive redeco, and a golden-chromed "[[Lucky Draw figure]]" (see below).

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[[File:Jafcon convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Not the first [[Black Lio Convoy|black Convoy]], but the first that wasn't a clone.]]
*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2000)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (black), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Released concurrently with the 2000 reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this [[black repaint|black redeco]] of the original Prime was available exclusively at the Japanese convention JAFCON. ''Everything'' about it is black, including all of the Combat Deck and Roller.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2000/Cybertron/JAFConvoy/jafconvoy.htm More information on JAFCON Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy convoy gold version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's a gold digger/way over Cybertron.]]
*'''Convoy Gold Version''' (2000)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (gold), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Released concurrently with the 2000 reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this "[[Lucky Draw figure|Lucky Draw]]" redeco of the original Prime replaced all of the figure's silver chromed parts and stickers with golden ones, and even included a blinged-out Roller. The figure is extremely rare; apparently only 25 are known to exist.

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[[File:Nucleon quest convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Epic Black repaints are the right of all toy collecting beings.]]
*'''Nucleon Quest Superconvoy''' {{sic}} (2001)
**''ID number:'' '''C-307X'''
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head

:This redeco of the Ginrai tooling of the Powermaster Optimus Prime figure (released concurrently with the 2001 reissue of the Ginrai figure) was a Toys ''R'' Us Japan [[exclusive]] black repaint, made to represent the original Optimus Prime equipped for a special mission. All of his red and blue plastics were changed to black, his clear blue windows were now tinted red, making his overall colour scheme very reminiscent of the now-familiar '[[Black Convoy (disambiguation)|Black Convoy]]' color schemes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Autobot/NucleonQuestConvoy/nqconvoy.htm More information on Nucleon Quest Super Convoy at TFU.info]''

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*'''Convoy (Tokubetsu Shiyō)''' (2002)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''[[File:New year convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
**''Accessories:'' 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, Action Master Optimus Prime figure, [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Matrix of Leadership]], chain, Autobot sticker sheet, mouse pad

:Labeled "2002 New Year Special", this Japanese-exclusive "Special Specification" (特別仕様 ''Tokubetsu Shiyō'') of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure featured tinted blue windows, like those sported by the "Goodbye Convoy" edition of the toy, as well as show-accurate blue eyes. Prime came with all his original accessories, including ''both'' versions of his rifle, as well as a new die-cast metal Matrix of Leadership accessory, which can be tabbed into his chest. Additionally, the set included a show-accurate redeco of the Action Master Optimus Prime figure, a sheet of Autobot [[insignia]] stickers of varying sizes, and a mouse pad decorated with the Autobot symbol.

:The Matrix accessory was later recolored in gold chrome for inclusion with the 2005 [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron reissue toy]], and in green chrome as the [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Creation Matrix]] for the [[e-HOBBY]]-exclusive [[Galvatron II#Toys|Galvatron II]] toy. It returned to its original silver coloration when it was included, sans chain, in the 2010 ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)|Transformers: Reveal the Shield]]'' "Battle in Space" 2-pack.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/NewYearsConvoy/nyconvoy.htm More information on New Year Special Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:G1toy BAPE convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Trukk not munky|TRUKK...''AND'' MUNKY?]]]]
*'''Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver.''' (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in July 2011, concurrently with a range of exclusive Transformers t-shirts, "Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver." (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® Ver.) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new green color scheme, along with a tan trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese Optimus Prime packaging.
::*''[http://bape.com/transformer Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. on BAPE.com]''

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[[File:G1toy BAPE ConvoyBlack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime at his audition for ''The Artist''.]]
*'''Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK'''<ref>Or "Ver. Black Camo," in ''[[Transformers Generations 2012]]''.</ref> (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2012)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in April 2012, "Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK" (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® Ver. BLACK) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new grey color scheme, along with a grey trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese packaging.

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[[File:G1toy BAPE ConvoyRed.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Three times faster than the original BAPE version.]]
*'''Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO'''<ref>Japanese listing on the BAPE website. The accompanying English text reads "01 CONVOY BAPE VERSION RED CAMO".</ref> (A Bathing Ape exclusive, 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in March 2013, "Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO" (コンボイ復刻版 BAPE® VERSION RED CAMO) is a redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy sporting a unique new red color scheme, along with a red trailer decorated with a camouflage pattern. Both trailer and Prime himself feature the A Bathing Ape logo in place of an Autobot symbol, while the floor of the trailer's Combat Deck mode features new Bathing Ape-themed labels. The figure comes in a recolored version of the original Japanese packaging.

::*''[http://www.bape.com/transformers_3 Convoy Reissue BAPE VERSION RED CAMO on BAPE.com]''

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[[File:TF-Commander-Convoy-Box-Gold-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|For the people who wanted this for the S.T.A.R.S. kit, I have bad news for you.]]
*'''Transformers 35th Anniversary Commander Convoy''' (canceled)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right)

:Released as part of the "Transformers 35th Anniversary Commander Convoy Box Crowdfunding Project" kickstarted by TakaraTomy and ''[[TV-Kun]]'', this Convoy is a gold-chrome-and-redeco of the ''Generation 1'' Optimus Prime figure, featuring a more balanced deco compared to the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise#Gold Convoy Trophy|Gold Convoy Trophy]] (at least until [https://twitter.com/Televi_Kun/status/1152244044598132742 the second prototype reveals that the entire body is chromed]). Despite being etched on a trophy stand, Convoy is able to transform into truck mode, albeit facing upwards.

:In addition, the set also comes with a replica of the [[S.T.A.R.S.]] supply kit, a S.T.A.R.S. badge, a Transformers Fan Club card, a poster, and a Transformers Mook.

:Crowdfunding began on July 1st until August 31st, with a total of 2000 backers needed. Unfortunately, it only reached 840 backers with a total of 16,650,000 yen out of 33,600,000 yen needed.

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===''Transform Jr''===
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[[File:Convoy Junior toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's kid brother.]]
*'''Convoy''' (1985)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

: As one of the first ''[[Transform Jr]]'' toys, this version of Optimus Prime was released under the early name for the series, ''Transform Gōkin''. As a smaller, simplified version of the original Generation 1 Prime figure intended as a low-cost alternative for younger children, Prime features a similar transformation, with a removable head in addition to fists, but lacks rubber tires and translucent windows. As with most other ''Transform Jr'' figures, he lacked any of his major accessories, coming only with his rifle and a cardboard replacement for his trailer that had to be assembled by the buyer.

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[[File:Transformjr hero set.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The true Heroes of Cybertron]]
*'''Cybertron Hero Set''' (multipack, 1987)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

:The ''Transform Jr'' version of Prime was re-released a few years later in a "Hero" set alongside the ''Jr'' versions of [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]], and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys|Fortress Maximus]].

*'''5 Years of Leaders Set''' (multipack, 1989)
**''Accessories:'' 2 fists (left and right), head, Laser Blaster, cardboard trailer

:Prime was again re-released several years later in a lucky Draw "5 Years of Leaders" set alongside the ''Jr'' versions of Rodimus Convoy, [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys|Fortress Maximus]], God Ginrai, and Star Saber.
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===''Return of Convoy''===
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[[File:StarConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Star Convoy''' (Powered Master, 1991)
**''ID number:'' '''C-372'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, [[Micro Trailer]], Microcarrier, small cannon, cannon turret stand, radar, connector, 2 ramps

: As the final new-design Optimus Prime toy from the original Generation 1 era, the Japanese-exclusive Star Convoy was a significant departure from previous versions. This incarnation of Prime transforms into an extended-hood cab truck of made-up model pulling an implausibly large trailer, incorporating the motorized "Microcarrier". [[Motorized movement|Powered by four AA batteries]], the Microcarrier drives Star Convoy either forward or backward, spinning a radar dish mounted on the rear of his trailer as he rolls along. Prime's teammate in the [[Battlestars]], [[Grandus (G1)|Grandus]], can link up to the rear of Star Convoy's vehicle mode and be pulled along behind him; [[Sky Garry (G1)|Sky Garry]] can then land atop Grandus, forming a giant vehicle.

:Unlike previous Optimus Prime toys, the cab section does not separate from the trailer for transformation, instead forming the arms of his imposing 12-inch tall robot mode. He lacks any sort of leg articulation in this mode, but the Microcarrier comes into play again, allowing Prime to roll either forward or backward into action.

:Additionally, Star Convoy transforms into a large battle station that interacts with the [[Micromaster]]s that made up the vast majority of the ''Transformer'' toyline at the time. His chest contains a peg that allows Micromaster figures to stand inside it in either robot or base modes, and he comes with a unique Micromaster version of [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Return of Convoy|Hot Rod]] not available on its own. He features storage space in his legs for two spring-loaded figure-launching [[Micro Trailer]]s, and comes with one of his own, decorated in a unique black and orange color scheme. In this mode, two ramps are connected to the Microcarrier; when the carrier's treads are set rolling, they do not move the base, but instead act as conveyor belts that carry Micromaster figures down the ramps. The Microcarrier also spins a gun turret mounted between the conveyors, on which Micromaster figures can stand. Finally, a special connector packaged with Star Convoy allows the Microcarrier to be connected up to Grandus's base mode, powering his moving elevator.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1991/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on Star Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:StarConvoy reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Star Convoy''' (reissue, 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''C-372'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, [[Micro Trailer]], Microcarrier, small cannon, cannon turret stand, radar, connector, 2 ramps

:Star Convoy was reissued by Takara in 2005, with some notable alterations to his deco: his white plastic was replaced with metallic silver, and the yellow star on his chest was chromed golden. Star Convoy himself retained some of his original decals but most notably his "simulated head lights" and "wind shield panels" were stamp graphed on him, similarly, Hot Rod's were replaced with the same stamp graphing applications. Additionally, where the original toy had been packaged in robot mode in a tall box decorated with the standard Japanese package art of the time, the reissue was packaged in vehicle mode, in a long, wide box more reminiscent of the original Generation 1 toys.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/StarConvoy/starconvoy.htm More information on reissue Star Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==''Generation 2''==
[[File:G2Prime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I AM OPTIMUS PRIME.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (1993, 1994)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (light blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, 2 missile launchers, 2 missiles, sound and lights module

:The first ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime toy is a [[redeco]] of the original Generation 1 figure release with some notable new additions to catch him up to the radical 1990s. While his cab robot retained his original red and blue color scheme, his trailer was recast in black, with the original blue and silver striped sticker replaced with a red and silver one displaying Optimus's name. On the first release of the trailer, the internal components and Roller matched the blue of the cab robot. Later, the internal components and Roller were changed to a lighter blue. Another running change followed, making the dark blue of the cab robot match this lighter shade. A bright yellow "Autobot" [[tampograph]] was also added to the back of his right leg.

:''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime comes with all his original accessories, as well as two major new play features. To increase his arsenal, Optimus is now armed with a pair of large, black handheld missile launchers that fire red missiles. These launchers were retooled from the ''[[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'' figure [http://www.yojoe.com/action/92/barricade.shtml Barricade]. Second, he comes with an electronic "sound and lights module" that can either plug into the front of the trailer (where it resembles a trailer refrigeration unit), or hook onto Optimus's back in [[robot mode]] via a new slot retooled into the cab robot. Unfortunately, the soundbox is heavy enough that doing so can often overpower Prime's hip joints, causing him to topple backward. The soundbox features a large, [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metalized]] Autobot symbol on its front, and three grey buttons which trigger two flashing red LEDs on either side of the module, and [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/c/c6/G2OptimusNoises.ogg a trio of sound effects]: a truck engine noise, a laser gun sound effect, and a very loud "I am Optimus Prime!". The module also features ports on either side into which the missile launchers can peg.

:How the sound module handles batteries is an oddity among Transformers before or since. As G2 Optimus came out during a transitional period where button cell batteries were still fairly expensive, the module uses AA batteries by default, but was originally packed with a small bracket for included LR44 batteries that overrides the AA compartment completely to support the "Try Me!" feature in the box. The original intent is to discard the bracket once the LR44s run out and switch to several AA batteries, but if one were to keep it, the electronics can work equally well solely off far fewer button cell batteries.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Generation 2 Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:CombatheroPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|BE A HEEEERO]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Hero, 1994)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''TRF-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, 2 rockets

:[[Hero (G2)|Hero]] Optimus Prime was the first new-mold Optimus Prime toy created for the ''Generation 2'' line. He transforms into a Kenworth truck of unknown model which defies Optimus convention by being one continuous unit, rather than the traditional cab-and-trailer combo. Decals form the windows of a faux truck face to represent his chest, featuring both his name and what appears to be a [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|life support readout coming alive towards the end]]. In addition to a small gun, he is armed with a large missile launcher, which can fire a rubber-tipped rocket by means of a bellows which you slam your fist down on to produce a puff of air. The launcher is accessible in both modes, ending up mounted on his right forearm in robot mode; the bellows is attached via a rubber hose and cannot be disconnected, but stores on the figures's back when not in use, as do the rockets. A similar air-launching system with identical missiles was used by the simultaneously-released [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Generation 2|Hero Megatron]], and by Laser Optimus Prime the following year (see below).

: This mold was also used to create [[Sureshot (G2)|Sureshot]] and the [[KB Toys]]-exclusive [[Destructicon (RID)|Destructicon]] [[Scourge (RID)#Destructicon|Scourge]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Hero Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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*'''Laser Optimus Prime''' (1995)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon", "[[Laser Rod (weapon)|saber weapon]]", missile launcher, 10 missiles, 5 discs, 2 rockets
[[File:G2toy laser optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|What was that about shoulder-speakers, Jazz?]]

: Laser Optimus Prime (released in Europe under the name "Laser Rod Optimus Prime") transforms into a mid-1990s Western Star 4964EX, pulling a grey and black fuel tank trailer. The sides of the trailer are decorated with a sticker depicting Prime using a flamethrower to burn down a banner with the words "Optimus Prime Octane" on it. The truck is armed with a disc launcher on the roof of its trailer, which launches five blue discs bearing the ''Generation 2'' Autobot insignia as a knob is turned. Like the other "[[Laser Rod|Laser]]" toys released this year, Prime features electronics powered by two button-cell batteries; in truck mode, pressing the button on the cab's roof causes his headlight to light up with yellow LEDs.

:In the grand Optimus tradition, the cab of Laser Optimus Prime disconnects to become the highly poseable robot mode of Prime himself. Like Powermaster Prime and Hero Prime, the toy features the iconic windshield pecs and grill abs, despite not actually being formed from the actual truck components they emulate. In robot mode, pressing the button on Prime's cab (now on his back) activates a red LED in his right fist which illuminates his clear-plastic sword (which stores beneath his legs in truck mode).

:Prime's trailer unfolds via a spring-loaded transformation mechanism in a battle station that is positively ''bristling'' with varied weaponry. In addition to the disc launcher, it is armed with a "ripple-fire" missile launcher that fires five missiles, an air-powered rocket launcher like the one previously seen on Hero Optimus Prime, and a small laser cannon that mounts on the base's main tower. Both the missile launcher and laser cannon can disconnect and be held by Prime; his LED-fist will illuminate the laser cannon like it does his sword. Additional missiles and a second rocket are stored in grooves inside the sides of the trailer.

:This mold was redecoed by Takara in 2000 as ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|Car Robots]]'' [[Scourge (RID)|Black Convoy]], sans electronics. The following year, it was released by Hasbro as Black Convoy's [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' franchise]] counterpart, Scourge, with retooled discs that lacked the Autobot insignia and a blunted sword, again sans electronics. Following this, the next use of the mold was planned to be ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Toxitron (Universe)|Toxitron]], which ended up being canceled. The modified Scourge tooling was also used when Laser Prime was reissued by Takara in 2006 with a modified deco ([[#G2reissue|see below]]), and for the e-Hobby exclusive [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#G-2|Laser Ultra Magnus]] that accompanied the reissue's release, with electronics restored. In 2015, ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition Year of the Goat]]'' Optimus Prime, another repaint version, comes with partially transparent plastic torso.

:In addition to being the most popular Generation 2 figure, Laser Optimus Prime was, prior to 2003, a regular contender for most popular Transformers toy ''ever'', back in the days of the annual [[alt.toys.transformers]] fan awards; the toy won twice, and actually lost once to his redeco, Scourge.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Laser Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:G2toy gobot prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Sweet ride, Prime]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Go-Bot, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun

: A redeco of the ''Generation 2'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[Firecracker]], Optimus Prime transforms into a red Hot Wheels-sized Lamborghini Diablo. Like most Go-Bots, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly. He is armed with a small red laser rifle. The plastic colors are a "solid" version of Firecracker's color layout, substituting opaque red for transparent red plastic.

:The Japanese release of this toy swapped out the orange plastic for neon yellow, and had a large tampograph on the car's hood that was shaped like a stylized letter 'T', with the Transformers logo in it. Going against the grain, this toy was released in Japan with the name "Optimus Prime" instead of "Convoy".

:In Europe, this deco was sold as Firecracker himself rather than Optimus Prime (at least in the French/Dutch/German packaging variant). The sculpt was later redecoed again for the third wave of Go-Bots to become [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Go-Bot|Sideswipe]] (who Prime ''really'' looks a lot like), and later still into the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Spy Changer]] [[R.E.V.]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1995/Autobot/OptimusPrimeGobot/optimusprime.htm More information on Go-Bot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:CombatHeroPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Hero, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, 2 rockets

: This Optimus Prime was to be a redeco of Hero Optimus Prime in dark blue and red. Packaged samples of this toy were produced, but it was ultimately never released.

:The packaged samples feature a "traditional" color scheme for the head, with a silver [[mouthplate]]; the prototype depicted in the official catalog image seen on the right sports an unusual ''red'' mouthplate, which inspired several later toys.

:Since much of the advertising for the ultimately unreleased redeco used an older, outdated name for the "Heroes" assortment, "Combat Heroes", Optimus and an equally unreleased redeco of "Hero" Megatron are commonly referred to by fans as "Combat Heroes" compared to the original "Heroes" releases, although all evidence suggests that Hasbro had never actually intended such a distinction, instead treating them as mere color [[variant]]s. Though the packaging is mostly unchanged (including a reuse of the existing packaging art depicting the original release's color scheme), one of the few minor alterations sees the addition of the name "Hero" (rather than "Combat Hero") to Optimus Prime's name above the (otherwise unchanged) UPC barcode.

:A finished sample of the Hero Optimus Prime redeco was among the rare toys auctioned off for charity at [[BotCon 1996]], along with several other unreleased ''Generation 2'' items.

::*''[http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Prototypes/Generation2/HeroOptimusPrimeProtoMOSC.html "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in packaging at Super Toy Archive]''
::*''[http://www.transformertoys.co.uk/resources/review/generation+2/blue+optimus+prime/3654 "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in packaging at Transformers @ The Moon]''
::*''[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/gallery/g2/combat-hero-optimus-prime/3429/1/ "Combat Hero" Optimus Prime in and out of packaging at Seibertron]
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*'''General Optimus Prime''' (Auto Roller, 1995)
**''Accessories:'' Four missiles
[[File:Un autorollers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]

: "General" Optimus Prime would have been a redeco of the Decepticon [[Auto Roller (G2)|Auto Roller]] [[Dirtbag#Toys|Dirtbag]] in green, ironically bearing a closer resemblance to [[Hound (G1)/toys|Hound]]'s color scheme than the also-unreleased [[Hound (G1)/toys#Generation 2|"Sgt. Hound"]] Auto Roller. General Optimus Prime would have transformed into a dump truck, and would've had an [[autotransformation]] gimmick.

: This mold was also used to make [[Autostinger#Toys|Autostinger]].
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[[File:LaserPrime reissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Battle Convoy''' (reissue, 2006)
**''ID number:'' '''TRF-13'''
**''Accessories:'' "Laser cannon", "saber weapon", missile launcher, 10 missiles, 5 discs, 2 rockets

:This reissue of the original ''Generation 2'' Laser Optimus Prime figure was made using the modified version of the mold created for ''Robots in Disguise'' Scourge, lacking the sculpted ''Generation 2'' Autobot insignias on the disks featured on the original. It sported a modified deco, with the flat grey plastic on both the trailer and Prime's chest now replaced with silver chrome; additionally, new Autobot symbol tampographs were added to the doors of Prime's cab mode and the front end of his trailer, and a pair of new chest-window stickers featuring an illustration of the Matrix of Leadership replaced the original decals.

:This version of the mold was used to create the e-Hobby exclusive Laser Ultra Magnus, and somewhat more perplexingly, was briefly [[repurposing|repurposed]] by the [[Master of the Game|second]] ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'' text story as a temporary body for [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity#Beast Wars Reborn|Optimus Primal]]!
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==''Beast Wars''==
{{Note|Very early in the life of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' toyline (before the debut of the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' cartoon), Hasbro treated the series as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and so Optimus Primal was presented as being the same character as Optimus Prime.}}

*'''Optimus Primal vs Megatron!''' (Basic versus two-pack, 1996)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-6'''[[File:BWtoy-Primalbat.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I'm Batman, and I can breathe in space.]]
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
:The first ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Primal]] is a Basic size class blue bat which could autotransform into a robot by pulling the tail. Two swords were removable from under its wings for use as weaponry in [[robot mode]]. It was packaged along with an alligator version of Megatron and a ''Beast Wars'' mini-comic.

:This figure was released during the short-lived period when Hasbro was treating the Beast Wars as an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and Optimus Primal was presented as being the same character as Optimus Prime. This was soon relegated to the realms of [[micro-continuity]] when the ''Beast Wars'' animated series began and clearly established that the two Optimuses were different characters, but the toy remains one that was officially branded as Prime, and is consequently listed here.

:This mold was also used to make the [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Optimus Prime-recolored Convobat]], the separate individual [[Convobat#Toys|Convobat]], [[Onyx Primal#Toys|Onyx Primal]] as well as inspire the comic character [[Nyx]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimalBat/optimusprimal.htm More information on Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Optimusprimaltoyultraape.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, that's just Prime.]]
*'''Optimus Primal''' (Ultra, 1996/1997/1998)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''C-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords, four missiles, flail
: The second Optimus Primal toy was an ape in the Ultra size class. Though the transformation from primate to humanoid was a relatively simplistic one, the toy compensated with more than a fair share of weaponry and action features. A compartment on his right forearm opened to reveal a skull-shaped mace he could hold in his fist. His left forearm could open into a double-barreled missile launcher. On his back were two spring-loaded missile launchers which auto-flipped over each shoulder. By pulling a lever in the center of his back, both arms would either spin at the bicep or bend in and out at the elbow, depending on the placement of notch-buttons located on either bicep. This gimmick was shown to be an effort to simulate a gorilla beating its chest while Optimus was in [[beast mode]], but could also be used in robot mode, making him swing his weapons wildly before himself. And finally, like many first-year ''Beast Wars'' toys, a battle mask/"[[mutant head]]" could be deployed over his robot head.

:Takara released the toy as part of their ''Beast Wars'' line in July of 1997, nearly identical to the Hasbro version. The missiles for the Takara version are thinner and simpler than the original Hasbro version, and would be used in all subsequent releases of the mold.

:Just like Optimus Primal's basic bat toy, this figure was released during the short-lived period when the Beast Wars was still considered to be an extension of the Autobot/Decepticon war, and Optimus Primal was the same character as Optimus Prime. This was soon relegated to the realms of [[micro-continuity]] when the ''Beast Wars'' animated series began and clearly established that the two Optimuses were different characters, but the toy remains one that was officially branded as Prime, and is consequently listed here.

:This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Optimus Primal and [[Transformers: Beast Wars Telemocha Series|Beast Wars Telemocha Series]] DX Convoy, and [[retool]]ed into ''Beast Wars Reborn''/''Beast Wars Tenth Anniversary'' versus pack Optimus Primal. Takara also created multiple special variants, including all-gold (from ''[[TV Magazine]]'', only ten awarded), red and gray (''TV Magazine'' again, but only ''one'' awarded), and blue-fur (a ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' design-contest prize, only five awarded).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Maximal/OptimusPrimal/optimusprimal.htm More information on ape Optimus Primal at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BW-toy OptimusPrimalCDROM.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Freedom is the right of all superstitious, cowardly lots. Wait, no, that's not right...]]
*'''Amazon Showdown Special Version''' (1997)
**''ID number:'' '''VS-S1'''
**''Accessories:'' Two swords
: Available only in a special CD-ROM two-pack with a [[Megatron (G1)/toys#VSS1|purple redeco of "Megaligator"]], this redeco of "Convobat" takes his colors from [[#HeroOptimusPrime|the first ''G-2'' Convoy toy released in Japan]] and retains his previous gimmickry. His back features a silver Maximal [[Insignia|faction symbol]] plus "C-ROM", as in "Cybertron", get it? Huh? And Megatron has the "D-ROM"? See what they did there?

:The toy's [[bio]] clarifies that this Convobat is Optimus Prime, having had a trailer truck alternate mode and later scanning a bat to fight Megatron.

:The included CD-ROM includes the bios from wave 1 of the ''Beast Wars'' toyline, the [[Commercial/Beast Wars#Wave 1 Deluxe|first ''Beast Wars'' commercial]], and a coloring game.

: This mold was also used to make [[Onyx Primal]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/ConvoyBat/convoybat.htm More information on CD-ROM Convobat at TFU.info]''
::*''[https://ameblo.jp/aburachoujin/entry-12545863577.html Review including CD-ROM images at aburachoujin's blog]''
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==''Machine Wars''==
[[File:MW-toy OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Most Autobots [[Primus apotheosis|aspire]] to be Optimus Prime, Optimus Prime aspires to be [[Thunder Clash]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Ultra, 1997)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle, 2 missiles

: Available only at [[KB Toys]], ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] and slight [[retool]] of the European Generation 1 exclusive [[Turbomaster]] leader [[Thunder Clash#Toys|Thunder Clash]]. It's easy to see why Thunder Clash was chosen to become the new Optimus Prime, given his adherence to Prime tradition: the truck cab disconnects to become the robot, while the trailer unfolds to become an assault tower with twin missile racks. On the original Thunder Clash version of the mold, the racks operated on a gravity-feed system where a new missile drops into the launcher from above each time one was fired, allowing for twelve to be fired in rapid succession using a pinball launcher style mechanism.
:For ''Machine Wars'' Prime, this feature had to be retooled [[for safety reasons]], sealing the gravity feed slot and cutting the original launcher plungers down to just the handles, which do not move. The small missiles were replaced with much larger new molds to prevent choking hazards and triggers were added to the sides of the launchers, becoming regular spring loaded (and unusually powerful) single-firing weapons. There seems to have been some disconnect between the deco artist and whoever handled the redone Thunder Clash [[sticker]]s, as some stickers replicate details already handled by paint on the figure. Like the other four large Machine Wars figures, no guide exists in the instructions to show how said stickers should be applied. Also not noted in the instructions is that the handgun is meant to serve as the drive shaft for the cab, storing between the legs on the backside.

: The [[package art]] for this toy is a retouched version of the art for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Laser Optimus Prime (see above), but now positioned so one robot arm is always "off the edge" of the box and unseen - conveniently hiding the sword this toy has never had, yet leaving the Laser Prime faceplate intact.

: This version of the mold was planned to be [[redeco]]ed into [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] for the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' line, but the release was canceled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1997/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Machine Wars'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Choro-Q Robo''==
[[File:ChoroQOptimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy TV Version''' (2001)
**''ID Number:'' '''Q/01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:''[[Choro-Q|Choro-Q Robo]]'' Convoy is a small, cutesified transforming figure of Optimus Prime that changes from trailer-pulling truck directly to [[robot mode]]. The toy features a working pull-back motor, and is decorated in a color scheme based on Prime's appearance in the original Generation 1 cartoon, with blue eyes and windows and a grey stripe on the trailer.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2001/Cybertron/ChoroQConvoyTV/convoy.htm Move information on Convoy TV Version at TFU.info]''

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*'''Convoy Metallic Version''' (2001)
**''ID Number:'' '''Q/02'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:This version of ''Choro-Q Robo'' Convoy is a redeco of the first, featuring glittering metallic plastic, and a deco based upon the original toy, with yellow eyes, black windows, and a silver-and-blue stripe on the trailer.
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==''Commemorative Series''==
[[File:Commemorative series optimus prime modifications.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The snip that launched a thousand snits.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2002/2012)
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:The first reissue of the original Optimus Prime toy in North America since the Generation 1 toyline reached its end, this "[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]" edition of the figure was a Toys"R"Us exclusive. It was ''mostly'' identical to the original figure, save for some necessary modifications made [[for safety reasons]]: In the first instance of what would become a recognizable alteration to the mold, the toy's smokestacks were shortened, while the Combat Deck's firing missiles were elongated to prevent potential choking, as was the case with all other Commemorative Series figures' firing missiles. This release also had the trailer's launching feature removed.

:In 2012, a reissue of the Commemorative Series toy was released. Though the "Commemorative Series" label was not printed anywhere on the packaging, the included instructions retained the name. The toy itself is a mix of different versions. The cab has the safety modifications of the original ''Commemorative Series'' release, including the shortened smokestacks and longer missiles (and thicker rifle), but also has the modified hitch of the 2011 ''Chronicle'' two-pack (see below). Meanwhile, the trailer features the lighter gray plastic colors used for the 2008 ''Universe'' release, and the Autobot insignias on the robot's shoulders are tampographed (like on Takara's ''Encore'' version and Hasbro's ''Universe'' 25th Anniversary release). This version also seems to suffer from [[Mold#Deterioration|mold deterioration]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Commemorative Series Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:GodGinrai toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The real one has a longer missile]]
*'''Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor''' (2003, 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Hi-Q Powermaster unit, 2 Laser Rifles, 2 Twin Particle Beam Cannons, Super Robot head, missile launcher, 2 missiles, [[Apex Bomber]] chest/trailer top, 2 legs (left & right), 2 arms (left and right), Armor chest/trailer front, 2 wings (left & right)

:Marketed as a reissue of Powermaster Optimus Prime, this Toys"R"Us-exclusive Commemorative Series figure is in truth based on the Ginrai tooling on the toy that had previously been exclusive to Japan. It features a die-cast metal cab with translucent blue windows, and shortened, chrome smokestacks, and comes packaged with the drone [[Apex Bomber]] (formerly Ginrai's partner [[Godbomber]]), who splits into several components and combines with Prime to form "Apex Armor". As with all other Commemorative Series figures, Prime's new spring-loaded missile launcher featured an elongated missile.

:The figure was re-released in Hasbro's Asian markets in 2012, with no known changes to the figure itself but several modifications to the packaging that makes it easy to tell the two releases apart: The flap containing the [[package art]] is omitted entirely, the "Commemorative Series II" label is missing, the age recommendation and safety warning labels, the "Changes from double tractor trailer to battle station to super robot!" call-out and the name of the toy have all been shuffled around (with the words "battle" and "super" being omitted in the process), and most notably, the toy is no longer named "Powermaster Optimus Prime with Apex Armor", but simply "Optimus Prime", with Apex Bomber's existence no longer acknowledged anywhere on the packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/ApexPrime/apexprime.htm More information on Powermaster Prime with Apex Armor at TFU.info]''
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==''The Transformers Collection''==
[[File:Tf collection 0 convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (2002)
**''ID Number:'' '''0'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (dark blue), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, [[energon-axe]]

:As yet another in an increasingly large number of reissues of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy, this entry in the Japanese-exclusive ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' line of reissues added a few extra goodies to spice things up. Chiefly, the figure was armed with a new [[energon-axe]], based on the weapon used by Prime in the Generation 1 cartoon episode, "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]", which plugs into either of the headlight-holes that normally accommodate Prime's fists. Additionally, Prime came packaged with a ring binder folder designed to hold the pull-out character file sheets that were included with all the other ''Transformers Collection'' reissues. Notably, this figure reinstated the original, thick version of Prime's rifle as the standard for all future Japanese reissues.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Transformers Collection Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Tfcollection prime fist.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Starscream''' (2003)
**''ID Number:'' '''9'''

:This redeco of the original Generation 1 [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]] [[Starscream (G1)/toys|toy]] came packaged with a remolded right fist for Optimus Prime. This fist featured additional pegs that allowed it to hold [[Megatron (G1)/toys#TFCStarscream|the pistol mode Megatron accessory]] which was also included with Starscream.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Destron/AnimeStarscream/starscream.htm More information on Transformers Collection Starscream at TFU.info]''
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==''Smallest Transforming Transformers''==
[[File:WSTF Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|You didn't find my trailer, did you? Haw haw.]]
*'''Convoy''' (2003)
**''ID Number:'' '''GTF 01A'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster

:Standing only two-and-a-quarter inches tall, ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime was the smallest fully transforming G1 Optimus toy for a while, at least until the release of his chubby super-deformed [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Q-Transformers]] versions. He features an accurate transformation sequence based on the original full-sized toy, replacing the detachable hands with actual sculpted fists, and even including a tiny version of his laser rifle. Unsurprisingly, he also has little articulation and is only capable of moving his arms and legs.

:His trailer and Roller were also available as a separate set in the same wave, as a rare [[shortpacking|shortpacked]] figure with the ID number "GTF-01B". It is a simplified version of the original Combat Deck, lacking features like the interior deco and the lift arm of the artillery robot, but still nonetheless looking fairly accurate to the original toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Cybertron/SmallestPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Smallest Transforming Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wstf anime convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy (Anime Version)''' (2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''GTF 06'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster
:''Smallest Transforming'' Prime was redecoed the following year for the second wave of the line, into a color scheme based on his Generation 1 cartoon appearance featuring brighter reds and blues, white thighs, yellow details on his bumper, and blue eyes and windows. This version of the figure was made available for a second time in the next wave ("Wave 2.5"), with a new anime-decorated version of the Combat Deck now available as a rare "chase" figure.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestAnimePrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Convoy (Anime Version) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wstf white convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy (White)''' (2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''GTF X-4'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster
:Another version of Prime was also available in the second wave of the ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' series as a chase figure. This almost entirely white version of the figure is clearly based on the version of the original Prime cab robot used in the Generation 1 Ultra Magnus figure, but was nonetheless sold as Optimus Prime for the ''Smallest'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmallestConvoyWhiteMode/convoy.htm More information on Convoy (White) at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Wstf vsx.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Can't you guys ever get along?]]
*'''Convoy vs Megatron''' (multipack, 2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''VSX'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster
:Available exclusively as a freebie through the September 2004 issue of [[Dengeki Hobby]] magazine, this ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'' two-pack contains both Optimus Prime and Megatron, in homage to the original 1984 "VSX" giftset containing the original versions of the two leaders.
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==''Mini Toy Shop Collection''==
[[File:G1toy mini toy shop convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|'Cause we got a li'l ol' convoy, rockin' through the night...]]
*'''Convoy''' (2004)
**''ID Number:'' '''01'''

:At about 2/3 the size of the ''Smallest Transforming Transformers'', this diminutive version of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy is the smallest figure of the Autobot leader made to date. It was sold as part of Takara's blindpacked ''[[Mini Toy Shop Collection]]'' line, a series of miniaturized figures from numerous classic Takara toylines, including ''Transformers'', ''[[Microman]]'', ''[[Licca Kayama|Licca-chan]]'', ''[[Choro-Q]]'' and others. Both of Prime's modes are represented by non-transforming individual figures, which come together in a two-pack. In-box, his truck form is even packed in a miniature recreation of his original Japanese packaging, which also includes a shrunken version of his sticker sheet. A tiny version of the original Takara Transformers catalog completes the set.
::*''[http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=3541&mode=flat More information on Mini Collection Convoy at tformers.com]''
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==''Masterpiece''==
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-1-Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|And the fandom rejoiced. ''(Takara Masterpiece Version Pictured)'']]
[[File:TF-MP-20th-Anniversary-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|''(20th Anniversary Version Pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime'''/'''Convoy''' ([[December 11]], [[2003]]/2004)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer (Japanese release only)

:''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime was produced for the stated milestone of the ''Transformers'' brand. So successful was the figure that ''ToyFare'' magazine ultimately ranked it #1 in their quest for "Best Toy Ever".<ref>[http://www.wizarduniverse.com/magazine/toyfare/000054376.cfm ToyFare Magazine Best Toys Ever]</ref>

:Created with the specific purpose of producing an Optimus Prime as accurate to the original animated series as possible, the toy is exceptionally poseable compared to toys prior, partially constructed from die-cast metal, features rubber tires and vacuum-metalized plastic and is heavily detailed, with sliding pistons in its joints and working spring-loaded suspension in vehicle mode. The figure also contains multiple non-intrusive gimmicks, such as a moving [[mouthplate]] to emulate Prime's traditional method of speech, flip-up communications panels on the forearms depicting images of [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys|Starscream]], and an opening, light-up Matrix chamber in the chest, which contains a removable vacuum-metalized Matrix of Leadership that can also be pulled open. The Matrix is housed within a removable gray battery box which can light up the matrix core when activated.

:Optimus Prime comes with many accessories in addition to the aforementioned Matrix, including the character's traditional laser rifle, now termed (and henceforth known as) an [[ion blaster]]. The initial release of the figure cast the ion blaster in grey plastic, but later assortments recast it in its more familiar black coloration. Other accessories include a transparent orange energon-axe that plugs into either wrist when Prime's fist is retracted, and even a non-transforming gun mode Megatron weapon, with removable stock, silencer, and scope accessories, in homage to [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)|several]] [[The Insecticon Syndrome|instances]] in the Generation 1 cartoon when Prime was forced to wield his enemy. Pack-in bonuses that came with the figure included an inner cardboard tray illustrated to resemble the interior of Prime's Combat Deck, and in later releases, a small poster drawn by [[Pat Lee]].

:Optimus has a hidden sculpted mouth underneath his face mask, though attempts at removing the mask from the head may entirely damage the action feature.

:Takara's version of the figure was released in their markets slightly earlier, as the first of their long-running ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' line. In addition to coming with a cardboard trailer that the buyer could assemble to "complete" Prime's truck mode, Takara's release differed from Hasbro's by featuring longer smokestacks (kept short on the Hasbro version [[for safety reasons]]), and lacking the black scorch-marked "battle damage" paint applications Hasbro included on the figure's shoulders, wrists, and abdomen. In Western markets, the figure was intended to complement the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' line.<ref>[http://www.camphortree.net/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt Steve-o's OTFCC 2004 notes]</ref>

:This sculpt was redecoed by Takara into a golden Lucky Draw figure and later released in its original coloration with a trailer as a "Perfect Edition" (see below for both), while Hasbro would later redeco it into their ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]''-branded "[[#Classics|DVD Edition]]". The mold was also used to make ''Masterpiece'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] and "[[Eldedroid|Convoy Black Version]]", representing one of many drones built in Prime's image, rather than Prime himself.

:In ''[[Transformers History Collection]]'', a [[Blindpacking|blind-packed]] Transformers trading figure line, Takara released an add-on hand for ''Masterpiece'' Convoy as a [[Chase figure]]. The hand holds a [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] figure and clips on to the end of Optimus Prime's arm, making the arm slightly longer than normal.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/20thPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Gold masterpiece prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|We salute the brave soul who transformed this thing in order to photograph it.]]
*'''Convoy''' (Lucky Draw figure, [[2004]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer

:Offered as part of a Lucky Draw campaign in August 2004, this extremely rare version of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy is almost entirely vacuum-metalized gold, lacking any other painted detail or stickers. The parts which are not viable are molded in a flat golden plastic; the only exceptions are its rubber tires, the core of the Matrix and the energon-axe, which remain black, blue and orange, respectively. Whether or not the figure was intended to evoke Optimus Prime's [[:File:Goldenlagoon prime perceptor.jpg|entirely-golden appearance]] in the cartoon episode "[[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|The Golden Lagoon]]", when he was coated with [[electrum]], is unknown; given that entirely chroming a figure gold is a fairly standard deco for Lucky Draw figures, it may just be happy coincidence more than anything else.

:The figure comes packaged in the standard ''Masterpiece'' Convoy box, with the only telltale sign of its fabled contents being the replacement of the traditionally silver foil lettering on the box with gold. It's not clear how many were made, but it is thought to be no more than 10 or 20.

::*''[https://web.archive.org/web/20080501195324/http://www.goldoptimusprime.com/?show=Gold-Optimus-Prime More information on gold ''Masterpiece'' Convoy at GoldOptimusPrime.com (via Internet Wayback Machine)]''

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[[File:MP04Convoy2.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|You just paid $170 for a big box on wheels.]]
*'''Convoy Perfect Edition''' ([[September 28]], 2006/2009)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-4'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, ion Blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, cardboard trailer

:For this re-release of ''Masterpiece'' Convoy, Takara submitted to the biggest desire fans had for the figure and produced a full-size, fully transforming plastic and die-cast metal trailer. The trailer opens up into Convoy's Combat Deck, with storage for its accessories and a functional repair drone, though Roller is conspicuous by its absence. Like the original Combat Deck, the drone can extend through holes in the roof and front of the closed trailer, and the interior has enough room to accommodate one ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' figure in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. Some reports suggest that the paint on this figure's chest chips more easily than past editions.

:This version of Convoy, and Hasbro's 20th Anniversary DVD version of the toy depicts [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] on its communicators rather than Bumblebee and Starscream.

:Continuating the trend begun by their previous release of ''Masterpiece'' Ultra Magnus in 2005, Hasbro [[Australia]] released Convoy Perfect Edition as a Target Australia [[exclusive]] in 2008. Takara themselves then made the figure available for a second time in October 2009.

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[[File:MP4Sconvoysleepmode.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Remember that scene from the movie that made you cry and traumatised you as a kid? Well now you can display me doing just that!]]
*'''Convoy Sleep Mode''' (2010)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-4S'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, ion Blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe

:Released by TakaraTomy as part of a 2010 promotion honoring the "future era" of the original cartoon (which was set in 2010 in Japanese continuity, you see!), this exceptionally morbid re-release of the ''Masterpiece'' Convoy figure recolors the Autobot leader in blacks and greys, representing ''his dead body'' from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''—but don't worry, kids, it's actually a "sleep mode", according to the figure's name! Limited to 2010 pieces in Japan (see what they did there?), it comes with all its customary accessories, including the Perfect Edition trailer, redecoed where appropriate: the trailer itself has become translucent, its energon-axe is now transparent grey, and Megatron, in another movie homage, is rendered in translucent purple, evoking the scene depicting his transformation into [[Galvatron (G1)/toys|Galvatron]]. The figure was also released in other parts of Asia as a limited edition of 2010 as well, combined with the Japanese edition for 4020 total. The Japanese version denotes "Serial Number in Japan: ####/2010" on its bio card with the number out of 2010, while the Asian version denotes "C1 - ####/2010" with the number out of 2010 on its bio card.

:This version of Convoy depicts [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Hot Rod]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]] on its communicators.

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[[File:MPtoy last shot convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Well, it had to end ''some'' day...]]
*'''Convoy Last Production''' ([[March 26]], [[2011]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-1L'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, sound stage

:"Convoy Last Production" was the final re-use of the ''Masterpiece'' toy mold before it was at last retired after numerous re-releases and redecos. The figure is essentially identical to the original Japanese MP-1 release, aside from a slightly brighter red, and the addition of the words "LAST SHOT" in Transformers typeface molded into the small of Convoy's back, hidden beneath its headlight-flaps in [[robot mode]]. Lacking the trailer of MP-4, the figure instead comes with a redecoed version of the electronic base included with Hasbro's "[[#20thDVD|DVD Edition]]" of the figure from five years prior, which now features a collection of sixteen soundbytes of Convoy delivering famous lines from the Japanese version of the Generation 1 cartoon, recited by the character's original Japanese voice actor [[Tesshō Genda]]. The base was promoted as containing a hint as to the identity of the next ''Masterpiece'' toy; as it would turn out, this was a new version of Convoy himself (see below), foreshadowed by a sound clip on the base which played only intermittently, and which had Convoy announce that he would "soon be reborn".

:For its release in Korea, Hasbro Asia provided a [[collector coin]] featuring truck-mode Optimus Prime on one side and "MP-01L" on the other. The coin came mounted on a card featuring lineart of the Autobot leader's head, the stark black design of which could be mistaken for promoting the earlier "Sleep Mode" release. The limited release (and general lack of enthusiasm for the collector coins in Korea) makes this one of the more difficult Masterpiece coins to find.

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[[File:MP-10 toy photo.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Here we go again...]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[September 24]], 2011, 2016)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#mp10|Ion blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mp10|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#mp10|energon-axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#mp10|trailer/Combat Deck]], [[Roller (G1)#Masterpiece|Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Masterpiece|Spike Witwicky figurine]]

:MP-10 Convoy, advertised as a "perfect new model" on its packaging, is an entirely new tooling of Generation 1 Optimus Prime. Convoy is now smaller, making him more in-scale with other recent ''Masterpiece'' toys, such as [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Rodimus]], and comes with a trailer and various accessories. While the front of the vehicle mode's cab is an accurate depiction of a mid-to-late-1980s Freightliner FLT cabover, the back half, (which is, as usual, made out of Convoy's legs) is much larger and robot-leggier in proportion. (So much that they sculpt a ladder on each side.)

:Many of the small features and electronics of the original ''Masterpiece'' mold are left out. Instead, this Convoy features better overall cartoon accuracy (chest interior, head, etc.), an extensive red paint job that covers much of his red plastic, corrected robot mode proportions, improved articulation, and its gun can now collapse and store inside a compartment on its back in either mode. In addition to Convoy's trailer, which can transform into Combat Deck, it also comes with Roller, a small Spike Witwicky figurine, a die-cast metal Matrix of Leadership (with a clear blue plastic center), and an energy axe that slips over Convoy's right hand. Spike can fit inside the cab in vehicle mode, ride in Roller's seat, or fit into any of the seating compartments inside Convoy's trailer. Roller has options to plug in Convoy's gun or pull Convoy's trailer, and the trailer itself can store Convoy's weapons in any mode. Although not easily breakable, care must be taken for posing the index fingers; extending the finger even far would cause it to pop off.

:Being a brand new and intricate remake of the Autobot leader, MP-10 was used as the gold standard in terms of scale for future Masterpiece figures, with all the upcoming releases being sized to best match him. Much like his older incarnation, he was also cherished by collectors, generating heated debates on which version is the best one up to this day.<ref>https://www.google.pt/search?q=mp01+vs+mp10</ref>

:On the other hand, this mold also became a staple source for various [[knockoff]]s, ranging from recolored to upscaled/downsized figures.

:This figure was re-released in 2016, with the packaging now advertising the "Long Life Design" award which the ''Masterpiece'' line won that same year.<ref name="lldaward">[https://www.g-mark.org/award/describe/44648 Good Design Long Life Award: Transformers Masterpiece]</ref> This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Masterpiece|MP-10B Black Convoy]].

:''See also: [[#mp10hasbro|MP-10 Hasbro]] and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Masterpiece|Hasbro Masterpiece]].''
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[[File:Bape-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|In the jungle / the mighty jungle / the Convoy sleeps tonight]]
*'''MP Convoy (BAPE ver.)''' ([[2014]]-[[August 19|07-19]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10A'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#mpbape|Ion Blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mpbape|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#mpbape|Energon axe]]

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in 2014, MP Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. is a trailer-less redeco of the MP-10 mold sporting a green color scheme matching the [[#bape|Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. of the original G1 toy]], with "BAPE's famous camouflage pattern" and an ape head print on the shoulder replacing the usual faction symbol.

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[[File:Eva-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Unlike Shinji, this guy won't go strangling his girlfriend or dating his mother's clone, if he even has a mother...]]
*'''Convoy Mode "Eva"''' (2014-[[November 28|11-28]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#eva|Ion Blaster]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#eva|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#eva|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#eva|trailer/Battle Station]], [[Roller (G1)#eva|Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#eva|Spike Witwicky figurine]]

:Exclusive to the [[TakaraTomy Mall]] and limited to 1,000 pieces, this figure was released as part of the ''[[Transformers × Evangelion]]'' crossover. It uses the MP-10 mold with all the same accessories, decoed in the green and purple color scheme of [[Evangelion Unit-01|Eva-01]]. The trailer, Roller, and Spike figure are done up in [[Nerv]]-themed colors.

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[[File:Bape2-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Because one overpriced clothing store exclusive MP10 repaint wasn't enough. Anyone like to give the odds for a BAPE Ver. BLACK in 2017 then?]]
*'''Convoy (BAPE REDCAMO ver.)''' (2015-11)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10R'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in 2015, MP Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. is a trailer-less redeco of the MP-10 mold sporting a unique deep red color scheme matching the [[#bapered|Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. RED of the original G1 toy]], with "BAPE's famous camouflage pattern" and an ape head print on the shoulder replacing the usual faction symbol.

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* '''Optimus Prime''' Mini Die-Cast figure (2016-[[November 26|11-26]])
**''ID number:'' '''1'''
**Included with '''[[Inferno (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-33 Inferno]]'''

:Replacing the collector coins in previous releases, the Asia release of ''Masterpiece'' Inferno comes with a mini Optimus Prime figure, the first in a range of non transformable collectables made from <s>lost art</s> Die-Cast metal and based on the corresponding Masterpiece figure (MP10).

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[[File:Bapeblack-mp-optimus.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|As predicted. What's the chances of a new BAPE color scheme? Teal Blue or Burnt Gold would be nice if you're reading this BAPE.]]
*'''Convoy (BAPE BLACKCAMO ver.)''' (2017)
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10K'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe

:Available exclusively from Japanese clothing company [[A Bathing Ape]] in 2017, MP Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. is a trailer-less redeco of the MP-10 mold sporting a unique black color scheme matching the [[#bapeblack|Convoy Reissue BAPE Ver. BLACK of the original G1 toy]], with "BAPE's famous camouflage pattern" and an ape head print on the shoulder replacing the usual faction symbol.
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[[File:MP711-Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|At your 7-Eleven, freedom's waiting for you.]]
*'''Convoy (7-Eleven ver.)''' ([[February 28]], [[2018]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-711'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Matrix of Leadership, energon-axe, trailer, Roller, Spike Witwicky figurine

:Available exclusively from Japanese 7-11 stores, MP-711 is an [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]]-decoed Convoy—white with green and blue highlighting—themed with [[7-Eleven]] logos. Unlike most MP-10 redecos, he comes with a trailer, Roller, and Spike figure, who is sporting a 7-Eleven uniform. Roller and the combat deck come with 7-Eleven logos, however Convoy's shoulder logos are stickers with the option of a green 7-Eleven logo or the standard Autobot logo on either shoulder.

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[[File:MP-10ASL.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Anyone up for a game of [[basketrek]]?]]
*'''Convoy (atmos safari LeBron Ver.)''' ([[March 15]], [[2019]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10ASL'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe

:Exclusive to Japanese Atmos stores, this deco of Optimus matches Atmos Safari LeBron James sneakers, in a fetching scheme of vibrant orange plus black and gray with extra details and logos. Unfortunately he does not come with a [[ballobot]] accessory.

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[[File:Masterpiece-MP44-Convoy-V3.jpg|upright=3|thumb|All this for the low, low price of an arm, a leg, and your firstborn son! (Note: [[The Master Builders (episode)|Basketball accessory]] not included.)]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[August 31]], [[2019]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-44'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, 2 beam effect parts, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe, damaged head, alternate head, Starscream head, Starscream shoulder intakes, damaged chestpiece, jetpack, trailer, Roller, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Masterpiece|Spike Witwicky figurine]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky#Masterpiece|Sparkplug Witwicky figurine]], [[Carly#Masterpiece|Carly figurine]]

:An entirely new mold released to commemorate the brand's 35th anniversary, the third ''Masterpiece'' Convoy is a much more complex and cartoon-accurate figure than previous releases. At 50,000 yen (approximately $450 USD), this Convoy had the highest MSRP of any mass-market ''Transformers'' toy until ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron]]'' [[Unicron/toys#War for Cybertron|Unicron]]'s $575 price tag was announced.

:Alongside the Trailer (which retains the same function and can hold 4 standard-sized Autobot cars at a time when open), Roller, the Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, and Energon Axe, the Combat Deck's base can be removed and with the new flip-out wheels, Roller (now cast in stark grey with silver rims) can tow it around. The cannon and arm section can also be removed so it can function as a flight stand, while an adapter for [[Dinobot (BW)#Masterpiece|MP-41 Dinobot]]'s display stand is also included, and the Ion Blaster now has 2 effect parts, which can simulate blaster fire and when used with the Sideswipe rocket pack included, can be used as booster flames. He also comes with a fuel hose like that on the original figure, as well as a soundbox feature that can be switched between recorded lines by the character's original Japanese ([[Tesshō Genda]]) and English ([[Peter Cullen]]) voice actors, with transformation effects (though the ascending and descending transformation sounds are spliced together in his English voice) and Douglas Walsh music to boot! As to note, Cullen's clips are closer to the recent [[Aligned]] portrayals.

:Like [[Megatron (G1)/toys#MP36|MP-36 Megatron]], Convoy includes a battle-damaged head and an abdomen cover to replicate the war wounds in the climatic battle in the movie, and alongside a newly designed figure of Spike, he comes with two of Sparkplug and Carly, any of them capable of riding inside via 2 small doors on the side of the cab. A second alternate head is based on his head's rounder design seen in the first season of the cartoon and the Marvel Comics. His accessories can be stored in the trailer's removable undercarriage.

:This figure, with the included intakes and alternate head in place, also doubles as [[Starscream (G1)/toys#MP44|Starscream]] from "[[Megatron's Master Plan, Part 1]]".

:Unfortunately, Convoy has been known to suffer from differing quality control issues. Because of a design flaw, certain plastic parts in his lower ratcheted knee joints tend to build stress during movement and eventually break. Furthermore, grey and yellow paint in parts that tend to get scratched and bumped during transformation have been prone to paint chipping. Some units have come with their [[For safety reasons|soft plastic]] ear antennas on different heads warped in-package. The human minifigures can have their ball jointed limbs rather easily popping out of their sockets and misassembled ( in this case, Carly with her groin part in reverse from the front).

:Unlike MP-01 and MP-10, this version of Convoy did not get a fully localized Hasbro release for English-speaking markets. However, it is being imported by Hasbro through numerous retail outlets with additional branding using the localized Optimus Prime name and presumably with the same Hasbro-branded slipcover and English safety sheet given to other contemporary ''Masterpiece'' releases. In Canada, the figure is being released as an EB Games exclusive, where he'll cost even more than the game consoles sold there! Hasbro's online product description neglects to mention the voice box gimmick, possibly due to English-speaking audiences' unfamiliarity with Japanese ''Transformers'' media and the fairly late reveal of his English-language voice clips.

:This mold was redecoed as [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Black Convoy]], with the sound gimmick removed, and without the trailer, battle damaged, and Starscream parts.
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*'''Convoy (atmos duckcamo Ver.)''' ([[March 26]], [[2020]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-10DC'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion Blaster, Matrix of Leadership, Energon axe
:Exclusive to Japanese Atmos stores, this deco of Optimus matches Atmos Safari Duck sneakers, in a fetching scheme of greens plus vibrant orange.
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*'''Convoy (atmos ELEPHANT CAMO Ver.)''' (black plus vibrant teal)
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*'''Convoy (atmos VIOTECH CAMO Ver.)'''(light grey plus light gold)
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*'''Convoy (atmos TIGER CAMO BLACK Ver.)''' (black plus shocking green and gold)
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*'''Convoy (atmos TIGER CAMO YELLOW Ver.)''' (yellow and black tiger stripes plus white)
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==''Robotmasters''==
[[File:RMConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|My vehicle mode is dangerous and unroadworthy!]]
*'''G1 Convoy''' (2004)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

: ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' "G1 Convoy" (as he is amusingly referred to even in fiction) visibly takes its cue from ''20th Anniversary'' Optimus Prime, featuring a similar sculpt, but sharing few to none of the larger toy's other attributes, least of all anything that could be described as a successful transformation.

:G1 Convoy comes with two sets of fists, each pair featuring differently-shaped fist holes: one pair with square holes to hold the figure's "Convoy Gun" (as his ion blaster is called), and the other with round 3mm-compatible holes to hold the spring-loaded translucent blue missile launcher (a generic accessory also available with ''Robotmasters'' [[Megatron (BW)/toys|Beast Megatron]] and [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys|Beast Convoy]]). The fists are swapped out by simply popping them out of the wrist-hinge that holds them in place; the figure also includes an energon-axe that can be inserted into the wrist instead of a fist.

:Due to being molded in translucent plastic, the waist section is prone to breakage, so exercise some caution.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/Convoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:RM DVDConvoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm shiny!]]
*'''G1 Convoy + DVD''' (2004)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-10'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

: This special edition release of G1 Convoy is decked out in metallic paint and a tint of yellow for his eyes, with an extra Autobot insignia tampographed onto his right shoulder, and a black Convoy Gun. The figure comes packed with a DVD containing the first episode of the ''Robotmasters'' cartoon, "[[Fight! The Group of the Strongest Commanders!]]".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/DVDConvoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy + DVD at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Rmblackconvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm blacky!]]
*'''G1 Convoy Limited Black Version''' (2005)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right), Calamity Defenser

: Available only via mail-order through ''Dengeki Hobby'' magazine, the "Limited Black Version" of G1 Convoy is just that: a straight [[black repaint]] of the G1 Convoy toy. He comes with all his original accessories, appropriately redecoed (including a silver version of his axe), as well as a gold-chromed version of the "Calamity Defenser" [[solitarium]] weapon that came with [[Psycho-Orb]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/HHG1Convoy/convoy.htm More information on G1 Convoy Limited Black Version at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Crayola convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The third one is totally ''Shattered Glass'' Prime!]]
*'''G1 Convoy''' (Lucky Draw figure, 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''RM-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Convoy Gun", missile launcher, missile, energon-axe, 4 fists (2 left, 2 right)

:When ''Robotmasters'' G1 Convoy was turned into a Lucky Draw figure, the color scheme into which he was redecoed was chosen through a children's coloring contest held in the pages of the December 2004 issue of ''[[TV Magazine]]''. The winning entry was a... ''startling'' mixture of blue, orange and two shades of green, earning the toy the [[fandom|fan]]-appointed nickname of "Crayola Convoy". As with all Lucky Draws, it is extremely rare, with only ten units produced.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/transformers+robot+masters+-+lucky+draw+custom+colour+g1+convoy/1594/transformers+robot+masters+-+lucky+draw+custom+colour+g1+convoy.html More information on "Crayola Convoy" at LuckyDrawTransformers.com]''
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==''Universe'' (2003)==
[[File:SpychangerG1Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Why won't they repaint my full-size toy in these colours?!?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Spy Changer, 2004)

: ''Universe'' Optimus Prime is a [[redeco]] of the ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Scourge (RID)#Spychanger|Scourge]] [[Spy Changer]] toy. He replaces most of the black plastic with predominantly red and blue, with silver for detailing, with an overall deco making him resemble the original Optimus Prime. Like most Spychangers, he features high speed axles and can roll very well across smooth surfaces, but lacks the weight to propel him quickly.

: Originally a KB Toys exclusive, the first release of this toy (and the others in the assortment) did not have any sub-line designation at all, but later releases for other chains, most notably "budget" chains like Family Dollar, marked them as ''Universe'' product.

:This mold would later be redecoed into [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Optimus Prime Figure|a Spy Changer version of]] the live-action movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/SpyPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Universe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Collector's Edition''==
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[[File:G1-toy OrionPax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Welcome to The Past!"]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (2005)
**''ID number:'' '''67'''
**''Accessories:'' "Barrelroller" robot/"electromagnetic lift handle", "laser rifle"

: This ''[[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]]'' Japanese [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive is a [[redeco]] of [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]] [[Kup (G1)/toys#Targetmaster|Kup]], released in conjunction with [[Kup (G1)/toys#The Transformers Collection|Kup's 2005 reissue]] in ''[[The Transformers Collection]]''. He transforms into a Cybertronian pickup truck, and is colored to represent [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Orion Pax]] as he appeared in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 television series]] episode "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]".

: Like the Kup reissue, he comes with both the original release's gun and a [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]], in this case [[Roller (G1)#Collector's Edition|Barrelroller]], a redeco of [[Recoil (G1)#Toys|Recoil]]. The original-release rifle has been slightly retooled to fit in the wider fist-holes of the Targetmaster vesion of the mold.

: Just as the reissued Kup came with a reissue of [[Wheelie (G1)#The Transformers Collection|Wheelie]], this set also included a redeco of Wheelie as Orion's best friend, [[Dion (G1)#Toys|Dion]].

: This figure was recreated years later [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Tribute2Pack|under the]] ''[[Transformers Tribute|Tribute]]'' line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/OrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on Orion Pax at TFU.info]''
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==''Hybrid Style''==
*'''Convoy''' (2006)
**''ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02'''[[File:THS02Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Expensive and tiny.]]
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, [[jet pack|rocket pack]], 8 hands (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand

: ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime is an ''insanely'' detailed and complex transforming toy, created under the supervision of famed mecha designer [[Shōji Kawamori]]. Standing only three and three-quarter inches tall in robot mode, the figure is partially constructed from die-cast metal and features one of the most complex transformation sequences ever seen on a ''Transformers'' figure of its size. Alas, the small size of the figure also works against it, as it required several design concessions that resulted in (if we're being nice about it) an unimpressive cab mode.

:Prime is loaded with a ridiculous number of features and accessories. The robot itself is highly poseable, and both the smokestacks on Prime's shoulders and the fuel tanks on his legs can be rotated forward to act as guns, even featuring sculpted detail to this effect. As ever, he comes with a trailer that opens up into his crazy-detailed Combat Deck, featuring more action features than ever before. In trailer mode alone, it features a flip-down support stand so it can stand alone, a spring-loaded pop-out ramp instead of a fold-down one, and when the trailer is split for transformation, the traditional support legs underneath automatically swing out into place. The trailer houses most of Prime's accessories, including his ion blaster (with a moveable ammo clip to allow for multiple poses) and energon-axe, as well as his classic gas pump accessory, now with a poseable wire instead of a rubber hose. Two fold-out compartments provide storage space for six of Prime's interchangeable fists, while the other two remain attached the robot: two clenched, two open, a pointing right fist, a tilted left fist (for holding the ion blaster's ammo clip), and two fists with slots to grip the miniscule Matrix of Leadership that fits in a tiny chamber in Prime's chest. The Combat Deck's artillery robot features two flip-out handles that Prime can grip as if aiming the drone's guns, and Roller is also included, with three different 3mm ports to hold Prime's gun and gas pump. Lastly, Prime comes with a rocket pack like those used by the Autobots in such Generation 1 cartoon episodes as "[[Dinobot Island, Part 1|Dinobot Island]]", and a stand shaped like the Autobot insignia that allows him to be displayed in mid-air, as if in flight. The rocket pack also has 3mm ports for Prime's weapons, and stores on the front of the trailer in vehicle mode.

:Purchase of a ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime at a Japanese [[Toys"R"Us]] store allowed the buyer the option of also purchasing the exclusive ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Smallest Transforming Transformers|Hot Rod]] toy.

:The toy also received a Hasbro release 11 years later under the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#YOTR2017|''Platinum Edition'']] line.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Cybertron/HybridConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Hybrid Style Convoy on TFU.info]''

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[[File:THS-02B G2Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yanigerlicious!]]
*'''Convoy Black Version''' (2006)
**''ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02B'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, rocket pack, 8 fists (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand, 2 missile launchers, 2 heads

:Available exclusively through e-Hobby, this black and teal repaint of ''Hybrid Style'' Convoy features the traditional "[[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]]" color scheme, but represents a version of Optimus Prime himself. In addition to all the original accessories, the toys also includes several more deliciously metatextual goodies, themed around the ''Generation 2'' toy and comics: two new large guns patterned after the new weapons wielded by the ''Generation 2'' Optimus Prime toy, and two additional (blue) Prime heads that can be swapped with the figure's regular noggin, sculpted explicitly in the style of [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic]] artist [[Derek Yaniger]]. One head is pristine, the other decorated to match the battle damage seen on the cover of the [[War Without End!|first ''Generation 2'' issue]].

:As the more franchise-savvy TransFans may realise, these extra parts, plus the black trailer of Convoy Black Version, can all be used to modify the original, red ''Hybrid Style'' Optimus Prime into a comic-accurate ''Generation 2'' version, complete with a black trailer, trailer-mounted guns and your choice of Yaniger-style heads.

:This figure came in a unique box, packaged with a [[Hybrid Style Convoy Black Version|mini-comic]], both illustrated by [[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]].

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[[File:TF-Hybrid-Style-THS-02-Convoy-Black-Gold-Ver.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Texas tea.]]
*'''Convoy Black Gold Version''' (November 25, 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''T.H.S.-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, ion blaster, gas pump, energon-axe, Autobot Matrix of Leadership, rocket pack, 8 fists (4 left, 4 right), Autobot insignia stand, 2 missile launchers

:Available ''only'' in China markets, Convoy Black Gold Version is yet another black repaint of the first ''Hybrid Style'' Convoy figure, with some gold detailing. Convoy Black Gold Version does not include any extra accessories unlike the Black Version release above.
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==''Alternators''/''Binaltech''==
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[[File:Alternators OptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|I don't come with a creepy girl...]]
[[File:Convoy BT.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|...and neither do I...]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2006)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''21'''
**''Binaltech ID number:'' '''BT-22'''
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun

: ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' Optimus Prime transforms into an accurate 1:24 scale Dodge Ram SRT-10. The vehicle mode features rubber tires, functional steering, opening hood, tail gate and doors with a detailed cabin interior. Several of the details of his [[robot mode]] body are based on the sculpt of the 20th Anniversary Optimus Prime figure, but the head itself shares more similarities with the Powermaster mold. He is armed with a small pistol which transforms into his vehicle mode engine.

:This figure was originally conceived by Hasbro to be another character (exactly who is unknown), rather than Optimus Prime, but Takara insisted that the toy be made into Optimus to help it sell well in their markets, as the vehicle mode was no particular draw, given its scarcity in Japan. Reportedly, the figure cost twice as much as other Alternators to construct, so Hasbro had to bow to this demand so Takara would help fund it. Ironically, Takara eventually wound up soliciting the figure ''not'' as Prime, but as his ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]'' lookalike, [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]] (perhaps connected to the Powermasteresque headsculpt), before its Japanese release was cancelled and moved over into the ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' toyline (see below).

: It took two further years, but this figure was eventually released as part of the Japanese counterpart to the ''Alternators'' line (''Binaltech'') in 2008. ''Binaltech'' Convoy features some additional paint details, like his silver pelvis, additional patterns on his shoulders, and red paint on his engine-gun, and like all ''Binaltech'' figures, he also includes die-cast metal pieces. Unlike previous Binaltech releases, a bio-card was not included.

:This sculpt was also used to create ''Alternators'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]].

::*[[Source:Transformers Binaltech bios#22|Archive of ''Binaltech'' Convoy's bio and tech specs]]
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/AltOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Alternators/Binaltech Convoy at TFU.info]''
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==''Kiss Players''==
[[File:Kiss Convoy toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|...And yet, I do!]]
*'''Convoy X Melissa''' (2006)
**''Accessories:'' Engine/gun, "[[Surfblade]]" surfboard/sword weapon, [[Marissa Faireborn]] figurine with stand and 2 pairs of arms and legs

: ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (toyline)|Kiss Players]]'' Convoy is a redeco of ''Alternators'' Optimus Prime. While the figures may appear similar at first glance, given that ''Kiss Players'' Prime is still red, blue and black, there are many subtle differences, not least of all the replacement of the ''Alternators'' figure's bare, flat red plastic with a deep metallic red paint. Several of his body parts are cast in different colors of plastic (for example, his shins, formerly black, are now blue, while his formerly-blue hands are now black), and he features more intricate paint applications on his shoulders, and especially his pelvis, which is decorated to look like Prime's traditional bumper.

:In addition to the small engine-pistol of his ''Alternators'' figure, Prime comes with the "Surfblade", a pink surfboard that can be reconfigured into either two small knives or a large double-bladed sword. As with all the ''Kiss Players'' figures, Prime also comes with a [[plastic|PVC]] figurine of a cute girl: in this case, Marissa Faireborn, who can perch upon his shoulder or sit in his driver's seat, and comes with two pairs of interchangeable arms and legs. Additionally, the set includes a CD featuring the first five episodes of the [[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|''Kiss Players'' radio drama]], as well as the exclusive bonus audio adventure, "[[Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)#CD collections and special episodes|Someday, Under the Sun]]."

:This set was originally intended to be released under the ''[[Transformers: Alternators|Binaltech Asterisk]]'' line, as "Black Convoy meets Marissa", but this release was cancelled before it was officially even announced.
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==''Titanium Series''==
[[File:TitaniumHeroes WWPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Well he ''is'' a car... in a car ''crash''.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, display stand

: Based on Optimus Prime's [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertronian]] form as seen in the [[Dreamwave Productions|Dreamwave]] comic book "[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]", this version of Prime transforms into Cybertronian truck. The figure was personally designed by comic artist [[Don Figueroa]], who created the original comic design in the first place, and his signature is left on the figure in the most literal way: the word "DON" can be seen sculpted into the barrel of his silver ion blaster.

:As a ''Titanium'' figure, Prime is made in large part from die-cast metal, but like so many of the other toys in the ''Titanium'' line, his plastic joints have trouble supporting his heavy metal weight. He comes with the generic display stand shared by all of the 6" "Cybertron Heroes", with a unique removable nameplate.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/TitTWW6OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Titanium Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Titanium war within 2pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now we just need a [[Sherman Dam|dam]]....]]
*'''War Within Optimus Prime vs. War Within Megatron''' (two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:This [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] ''Titanium'' two-pack includes the previously-released ''War Within'' Optimus Prime figure along with the ''War Within'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Titanium Series|Megatron]] Megatron figure and an exclusive [[variant]] cover of ''[[Transformers: The War Within|The War Within]]'' [[The War Within issue 5|#5]].

:As the mass retail release of the last waves of the ''Titanium'' "Cybertron Heroes" figures was delayed for several months, the two-pack version of Megatron was at least initially more widely available than the individually packaged one.

:Despite being mentioned in the joint [[instructions]] leaflet for the set, neither figure includes their display base.

:There appears to be a variant of this two-pack: One version has the Optimus Prime figure more or less identical to its individual release, whereas the other one drops the additional black paint weathering, making him much cleaner-looking.
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==''Classics''==
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[[File:ClassicsPrime Voyager.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Rub my symbol, Marissa. Oops, wrong toyline.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Voyager Class, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/laser cannon, wind vane/ion blaster

: ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' Optimus Prime is an all-new modern Optimus Prime design based upon the original Optimus Prime, as is the intention for the ''Classics'' toyline. He transforms into a modern cab-over style truck of made up model, dominated by a large wind vane on his roof. As with most ''Classics'' toys, he features a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]].

:In [[robot mode]], his wind vane transforms into a large ion blaster, and his smokestacks transform into a smaller laser cannon. Additionally, both weapons can combine together to form a double-barrelled over-shoulder weapon. Undocumented in the instructions, Optimus can also use the wind vane as a shield, If one of his fists is folded down. The unusually high amount of yellow paint used throughout the body is supposed to emulate the yellow stickers from the original G1 toy. The toy has a trailer hitch, but does not come with a trailer.

:Unfortunately, the yellow paint on his forearms tends to flake off.
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Classics Voyager Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:ClassicsPrime Vs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|They did me right, [[#20th_Anniversary.2FMasterpiece|once]].]]
*'''The Ultimate Battle''' (Multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

: This ''Classics'' Optimus Prime is a smaller, Deluxe Class figure with a noticeable physical resemblance to Takara's ''[[#Robotmasters|Robotmasters]]'' Prime figure, and a transformation that is about as successful. The figure is armed with a tommy gun-shaped laser rifle that transforms into a turret-like configuration and mounts on the rear of his truck mode, and features a spinning "power punch" action that sees the whole upper half of his torso spin when a button on his back is pressed. Pressing the button "unlocks" the spinning mechanism; pull ''hard'' on the button, and you can lock the torso back into place.

:In the United States, Prime was only available in a special two-pack with a similarly unique ''Classics'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Megatron toy]], and the specially-produced "[[Optimus Prime vs Megatron: The Ultimate Battle|The Ultimate Battle]]" DVD (which is, inappropriately enough, entirely about the [[Unicron Trilogy]]). The two-pack (including the DVD) was also available as a [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] "Bonus Value" version with two randomly selected members of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' [[Giant Planet Mini-Con Team]], in the combinations [[Overcast (Cybertron)|Overcast]]/[[Longarm (Cybertron)|Longarm]], Overcast/[[Deepdive (Cybertron)|Deepdive]] and Deepdive/Longarm. International markets, including European countries, saw the two-pack in a considerably smaller, differently-shaped box that was lacking the DVD case (the DVD was instead made available separately). In addition, Mexico, Singapore and some European countries such as the Netherlands and Hungary also received the two figures on individual cardbacks. For the United States market, the two-pack was [[rebranding|rebranded]] and re-released in [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|2003 ''Universe'']]-branded packaging later in 2007, available from Dollar General, Big Lots and [[KB Toys]], and ''again'' in [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']]-branded packaging in 2011, this time available from Dollar General and Big Bad Toy Store.

:This figure was later ''also'' made available without redeco as part of the "Leader for the Ages" two-pack released under the [[#Transformers (2007)|live-action movie line]] (see below) and saw several redecos for [[#Universe (2008)|''Universe'']] ("Special Edition", below), ''[[Welcome to Transformers 2010]]'' ("Sons of Cybertron", below) and [[#United|United]] (below).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsDVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Classics Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:DVD 20thPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Discounted at a Walmart near you.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (20th Anniversary DVD Edition, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, Autobot Matrix of Leader, gun mode Megatron, Megatron's scope, stock and silencer, energon-axe, display stand

: Produced to coincide with the 20th anniversary of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and its release on DVD by [[Sony]], this edition of Prime is a redeco of his ''[[#Masterpiece|20th Anniversary]]'' figure. It replaces the original's metallic paint with flatter colors and does away with any and all vacuum-metalized plastic, as well as altering several other small details across the body, like the color of the lights on his feet and chest.

:Prime comes with all the accessories of his previous release, although his ever-changing ion blaster is now somewhat confusingly cast in blue plastic. He features one major additional accessory: an electronic display base sculpted with the image of the Matrix and the Autobot insignia. Pressing the insignia's crest triggers a series of electronic soundbytes, mostly quotes from the movie recited not by original actor [[Peter Cullen]], but by Hasbro's in-house actor, [[Ron Hayden]]: "Autobots, transform and roll out!", "I want you to make a special run to Autobot City," "Megatron must be stopped!", "All we need is a little energon, and a lot of luck," and two samples of the classic [[Transformation#The noise|transformation sound effect]], one ascending, one descending.

:The display stand itself was later redecoed as a mail-in prize for TakaraTomy's ''[[Welcome to Transformers 2010]]'' promotion, intended to be used with ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys|Rodimus Convoy]], and again when it was packaged with the "Last Production" run of the Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/20thDVDOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on DVD Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:PepsiOptimusPrime.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|Subservience to Corporate America is the duty of all servile beings.]]
*'''Pepsi Optimus Prime''' (Autobot, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Left & right fists, ion blaster, trailer

:Inspired by the [[#The Transformers|1985 promotional version]] of Optimus Prime that featured Pepsi stickers on his trailer, this outlandish incarnation of Prime is a slightly altered version of Takara's 2005 [[Pepsi Convoy]] figure (which represented a different character to Prime). The figure was only sold by [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] at various conventions, and given away as a promotional prize by Pepsi, via their [[Mountain Dew]] brand.

:A redeco of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime cab robot sporting an egregious number of Pepsi-themed paint masks and details, Pepsi Prime's differences from Pepsi Convoy are minimal: he features the shortened smokestacks previously seen on the [[#Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] release of the mold, the blue pattern on his decals are different (matching the American Pepsi can/bottle look at the time rather than the one used in Japan), and also has a different layout for the Pepsi logo on his right shoulder. Like Pepsi Convoy, he comes with an entirely new trailer unit, specially designed to carry either a single 500ml (16.9 oz) size [[soft drink]] bottle, three 350ml cans, or 12 bottle caps (bottle cap figurines being a common and popular collectible item in Japan). In a first for the Prime mold, the figure's fists store in holes on the underside of the trailer while he is in vehicle mode. His ion blaster (which also stores under the trailer) is the first Hasbro reissue to feature the original, thick-barrel sculpt, which was reinstated to the mold by the ''[[#Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' release of Prime a few years prior.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Autobot/PepsiPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Pepsi Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Sports Label''==
[[File:NikemusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Comfortable ''yet stylish'' jogging is the right of all fashionable beings.]]
*'''Convoy featuring Nike Free 7.0''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster
:Surely one of the strangest examples of licensed ''Transformers'' products, ''[[Transformers Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' Convoy transforms into a ''shoe''. Something of a [[shellformer]], this baffling incarnation of Prime is colored primarily white and red in his alt mode of a realistic-looking (if notably undersized) Nike Free 7.0 sneaker, complete with gratuitously long real fabric shoelaces. In [[robot mode]], he is made instantly recognizable by his incorporation of some additional blue and silver in predictable areas, and a traditionally Prime-styled head. Less traditionally, and somewhat perversely, Prime's feet are sculpted in the likeness of his own sneaker mode, making it seem like he's wearing himself!

:His gun splits into two halves and stores inside his [[kibble]] in shoe mode; in an undocumented feature, it has two handle pegs on opposite sides, so that it can be held either at its far end or halfway along its length. The gun halves can also be plugged together in two different ways.

:This figure was, in fact, the ''only'' mold in the ''Sports Label'' line. It was redecoed into the "Marine Free" version of Prime himself (see below), and given a new head to create ''Sports Label'' [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Sports Label|Megatron]]''

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/SLConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Sport Label Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Sportslabel convoy marine version.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Prime's secret Magnus cosplay.]]
*'''Convoy featuring Nike Free 7.0 Marine Version'''
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster
:A redeco of the first ''Sports Label'' Convoy, this figure transforms into a white, navy, and grey sneaker. Promotional images for the figure depicted its robot mode as white and aqua-blue, but the finished product was visibly darker, produced in shades of off-white and dark teal. In either coloration, it sure as heck ''looks'' like it should be [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys|Ultra Magnus]], but for whatever reason... it ain't.
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==''Encore''==
[[File:Encore convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller (grey), 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump

:A new series of reissues means a new release of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure, and Takara's ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' series proved no different. This edition of the figure featured no extra accessories, but it did include the original, thick-barrelled version of Prime's rifle, as reinstated to the mold by the ''[[#The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' version of the toy a few years prior. Both his blue and red plastics are lighter than normal, though not to the extent of Hasbro's subsequent 25th Anniversary release.

:Notably, this edition addresses the small but persistent issue of the Autobot insignias on Prime's shoulders: Ever since 1984, applying the stickers evenly had been a challenge due to small bumps the figure's shoulders are textured with. Like the [[Pepsi Convoy]] figure released two years prior, ''Encore'' Convoy replaces the stickers with [[tampograph]]s.
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==''Music Label''==
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[[File:MusicLabel-toy iPodConvoy.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|You just paid 140 bucks for a new headsculpt, didn't you? I bet you don't even ''own'' an iPod...]]
*'''Convoy —playing iPod speaker—''' (2007)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

: Hot on the heels of their licensing deals with Pepsi and Nike, TakaraTomy got themselves a slice of Apple™ pie and released Convoy —playing [[iPod]] speaker— as part of their small, musically-themed ''[[Transformers Music Label|Music Label]]'' line. This version of Prime is an all-white redeco of the original Generation 1 cab robot, which (much like the "Marine Version" of Prime from the ''[[#Sports Label|Sports Label]]'' line) makes it seem like he ought to be Ultra Magnus. The figure is actually even derived from the retool of the mold created for the original Ultra Magnus figure, as distinguished by the elongated hubcap pegs on the front wheels. Like Pepsi Prime before it, the figure's fists now store in peg holes on the under side of its trailer. The toy lacks any of the original Prime's stickers (even the silver stripe on his chest is now a [[paint operation]]) and includes the original thick-barrelled version of Prime's blaster. The toy features a brand new headsculpt based on the [[#20th Anniversary|20th Anniversary]] Prime figure, given additional poseability not previously seen on the figure by being mounted on a [[ball joint]].

:This, of course, is all secondary to the main draw of the figure: it pulls an all-white trailer, which transforms into a working iPod speaker dock by rotating a substantial wedge of its full length 90 degrees . The dock features three working buttons; power, volume up and volume down, as well as an Autobot sigil indicator light. Included is a wall-plugging (Japanese) A/C adaptor with a long lead that plugs into the reverse of the trailer. Although American importers shouldn't have too much trouble, those living in parts of the world using higher strength A/C current outlets should be warned NOT to simply plug the A/C adaptor in with only a socket adapter, as this will overload the device and fry it completely. Buying the appropriate kind of universal A/C adaptor with advice from an electronics specialty shop is recommended.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Cybertron/MLConvoy/convoy.htm More information on Music Label Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Musiclabelprimewithdock.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|I'm gonna call you Peanut.]]
*'''Optimus Prime —speakers for iPod—''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

:Designated "Optimus Prime" rather than the traditional Japanese "Convoy", this figure is a redeco of the previous ''Music Label'' Convoy figure into the character's traditional red, blue and silver color scheme. Unlike previous re-issues of the mold, iPod Optimus Prime's sports a paint application similar to KissPlayers Convoy, having its ABS/PVC parts painted over with a thin layer of his iconic red, white (silver if you will) and blue motif paint applications (with the exception of his iPod docking trailer). This includes his trailer, though the effect is somewhat marred by the large, visible gap on one side. When reconfigured into dock mode, the interior surfaces surrounding the speakers are decorated with black-on-silver techno-patterns as well as three "Optimus Prime" logos. The recessed space also features a stylised, almost [[Frank Miller]]esque, high-contrast portrait of Prime's face, although this is largely covered when an iPod is inserted. The figure comes in identical packaging to the original ''Music Label'' Convoy, save for the addition of a sticker illustrating the different color of its contents.

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[[File:ExileTransformersSpeakers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The right of all sentient beings is... um... what am I promoting now? Wait, a Japanese pop band? Are you kidding me? I need a new agent.]]
*'''{{anchor|EXILE}}EXILE x TRANSFORMERS —speakers for iPod—''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/iPod dock, 2 fists (left and right), ion blaster

:Exclusive to [http://www.ldhshop.jp/ LDH Shop], this redeco of the ''Music Label'' Convoy toy is utterly ridiculous and was created as a promotion for the Japanese pop band {{w|Exile (Japanese band)|EXILE}}. While Convoy himself has EXILE written on his right forearm, his trailer sports the "Love Dream Happiness" tagline of LDH Inc.[http://www.ldh.co.jp/shopping/index.html], as well as the "EXILE Perfect Year 2008" logo of the "EXILE Perfect Year 2008 Ultimate Best Box" boxset, which was released some months after he was.
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==''Transformers'' (2007)==
[[File:Movie LeaderfortheAges 2pack.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|The more things change, the more they, uh, get bigger guns.]]
*'''Leader for the Ages''' (Wal*Mart exclusive two-pack, 2007)
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

: This Wal*Mart-[[exclusive]] two-pack pairs the deluxe-size ''[[#Classics|Classics]]'' Optimus Prime figure with [[Movie (franchise)|live-action movie]] line's ''[[Fast Action Battlers]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Power Hook Optimus Prime]] toy. Both toys are identical to their original releases, and together represent the Optimus Primes of the oldest and newest generations (at the time) of ''Transformers'', respectively. The movie Prime is designated "2007 Optimus Prime", while the ''Classics'' figure is dubbed "1984 Optimus Prime" (referring not, of course, to the toy, which was produced in 2006, but to the character).
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==''Diablock''==
*'''Diablock Convoy''' (2007)
**''ID number:'' '''01''' ('''Mecha Builder Vol.03''')[[File:DiablockPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| We have the technology. We can ''rebuild him''. Except, uh.. for his [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kre-O|face]].]]
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

:Rounding out a bumper year of Japanese-[[exclusive]] Generation 1 Optimus Primes, the Takara-licensed Kawada brand ''Diablock'' Convoy is a fully transformable Lego-style block building figure similar in premise to the earlier American ''[[Built to Rule!]]'' sets. The ''Diablock'' figure, however, easily outstrips the ''Built to Rule!'' sets by both being an accurate representation of the toy on which it is based, and being able to transform between modes ''without'' having to be partially disassembled and put back together first.

:Forming a roughly 11-inch figure when fully assembled, ''Diablock'' Convoy is highly articulated, save for his head, which is only able to move up and down. Said head is also by far the most stylised aspect of the figure, with no real attempt to approximate Prime's face or mouthplate, instead featuring only a reversed block that gives the odd impression of a cycloptic eye. It is possibly intended to actually represent his forehead grill, as a yellow block inside his head construction remains barely-visible through a slit in his face, possibly intended to represent the classic toy's yellow eyes.

:The figure's [[transformation scheme]] is based on the original G1 figure, the only differences being that the fists are not removed but become the headlights, and instead of flipping backwards inside the chest, ''Diablock'' Convoy's noggin flips forwards with the aid of opening chest windows. A "laser rifle" in the shape of his ion cannon can be built from black bricks, and stickers bearing the Autobot [[Insignia|faction symbol]] can be placed on his shoulders, although this is not recommended as it is designed to permanently stick to multiple tiles which dislodge easily and may damage the sticker.
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==''Henkei! Henkei!''==
[[File:Henkei convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[March 13]], 2008)
**''ID number:'' '''C-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei! Transformers]]'' Convoy is a redeco of ''[[#Classics|Classics]]'' Voyager Class Optimus Prime. He features a significantly altered colour scheme, generally to make the toy more closely resemble his appearance in the Generation 1 cartoon and the original toyline. His truck mode features less silver paint striping, but compensates with a [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metalized]] grill/fender area. In [[robot mode]] all of his previously grey plastic is replaced with red plastic, with a majority of it being painted silver, chromed, or painted gunmetal gray. He features a different shade of red, blue, and clear blue plastic than the Classics version. Since ''Henkei!'' toys do not feature a heat-sensitive rubsign, ''Henkei'' Convoy has two Autobot sigils tampographed onto his shoulders.

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[[File:Henkei clear convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy Clear Version''' ([[June 19]], 2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:This redeco of ''Henkei'' Convoy is cast almost entirely in translucent colored plastic. Also known by the nickname "Crystal Convoy" among fans, it was first released as an exclusive for the Japanese convention Tokyo Toy Fair 2008, limited to 1000 pieces at the event, but was later made available through [[e-HOBBY]]. It was sold in a monochrome-blue version of ''Henkei'' Convoy's regular packaging.

::*''[http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act491/index.php More information on Convoy Clear Version at TFkenkon.com]
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*'''Convoy''' (2008)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:[[vacuum metallizing|Chromed]] entirely in gold like many other [[Lucky Draw figure]]s before it, this version of Prime was available only through a ''[[TV Magazine]]'' mail-in promotion held in December 2008, and was limited to only five units, making it one of the rarest officially available Transformers toys in the world.

:Unfortunately, this toy has become the target of several [[knockoff]]s aimed at gullible collectors. Most of the fake ones can be told apart from the real deal by various details not matching up. The real one is cast in gold plastic, painted over in gold chrome and sports small red Autobot [[insignia|logos]] on both shoulders.

::*''[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=12878&dispsize=600&start=0 Gallery of (hopefully) a genuine Gold Convoy at TFormers.com]''

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*'''Convoy''' (<s>2008</s>)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/Prime Gun, wind vane/ion blaster

:A (technically) [[unreleased toy|unreleased]] [[black repaint|"black" redeco]] of ''Henkei'' Voyager-sized Convoy using the same plastic layout and paint mask but replacing red and blue with black, silver with gray, leaving the previously vacuum-metalized grill/fender area unpainted, changing the blue tint for the windows to red and changing all silver and yellow paint operations to blue. The red Autobot insignias would have remained unchanged.<ref name="blackgentei1">[http://tformers.com/ig.php?mode=album&album=9553&dispsize=800&start=0 Gallery of the unreleased ''Gentei! Gentei'' black Convoy at TFormers.com.]</ref>

:The figure would have come in a monochrome version of the standard ''Henkei! Henkei!'' Convoy's packaging, still named "Convoy" but now labeled as part of the ''Gentei! Gentei'' range of exclusives.<ref name="blackgentei2">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/universe-classics-20-29/transformers-henkei-wonderfest-exclusive-black-convoy-in-box-167615/ The unreleased ''Gentei! Gentei!'' black Convoy in packaging] at TFW2005.</ref> Reportedly, this figure was intended as a Wonderfest exclusive, but was canceled because, according too [[TakaraTomy]] designer [[Shogo Hasui]], it was too similar to ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Universe (2008)|Nemesis Prime]]. [[Knockoff]]s were later made available, so buyers beware!

:A minor redeco (replacing the Autobot insignias with Decepticon insignias, adding silver paint to the grill/fender area and changing the blue paint operations to teal) [[#UnitedBlack|was eventually released]] as a [[Tokyo Toy Show|Tokyo Toy Show 2012]] exclusive, now marketed as part of the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' line.
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==''Universe'' (2008)==
[[File:Universetoy 25th anniversary optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=2|And the block has returned!!!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2008)
*''Series'': G1
**''Accessories:'' Laser Blaster, 2 fists (left & right), trailer/Combat Deck, Roller, 4 rockets, hose, nozzle, fuel pump, sound effects module, comic, DVD

:Sold at the rather exorbitant price of $75, this re-release of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime toy is actually one of the most visually different from the other "straight" reissues of the mold, despite Hasbro's assurance that this is the toy you had as a kid. Positively ''anemic'' in comparison with the original toy, this Prime's red parts are visibly paler than usual, while his blue parts are much lighter (although the version released at Canadian retail reportedly sports a deeper shade of red again). This shade of blue extends to both Roller (a lighter blue than his traditional dark shade, yet darker than the lightest the figure has been in its history) and the internal workings of his Combat Deck, which is itself a much flatter shade of light grey, compared to its normal dark, swirled metallic silver color. In addition, the toy features the now-customary shortened smokestacks, and the elongated missiles seen on the [[#Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]] release, while the Autobot insignias on his shoulders are no longer stickers, but rather tampographs, like on Takara's ''Encore'' release. While all reissues of the Prime mold since 2003 have used the original thick-barreled mold for his ion blaster, this version includes the slender sculpt instead.

:As a 25th anniversary set, Prime includes several new pack-in bonuses: a reprint of the [[The Transformers (issue)|first issue]] of the original [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|comic book]], a DVD containing all three parts of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|animated series]] pilot [[More than Meets the Eye (mini-series)|"More than Meets the Eye"]], and three desktop wallpapers, and a battery-powered Autobot symbol that plays transforming sound effects, part of the first version of the ''Transformers'' [[theme song]], and three voice clips performed by Peter Cullen: "I am Optimus Prime!", "Autobot, transform and roll out!" and "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost." There are some reports that the Autobot symbol could be worn out or damaged during the time of purchase.

:Outside the United States, this set was available in a thinner rectangular box. It contained all the original accessories from the American release, but not the DVD. An English-only version of this packaging format was available in Asia and Australia (initially only available at Myer stores, but later also at Toys"R"Us, Kmart and Target, eventually at drastically reduced prices), while a bilingual English/French packaging variant was available in Canada, still including—though not advertised on the packaging—the (English only) comic book.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/25thOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 25th Anniversary Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Deluxe Class===
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[[File:Uni2008-toy SEOptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class: Special Edition, 2008)
**''ID Number:'' '''SE-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:"Special Edition" Optimus Prime is a redeco of the ''Classics'' multi-pack toy, featuring some minor paint detail changes, bluer translucent plastic, darker and cooler gray plastic, and darker metallic flake red and blue plastic, with his (previously black-only) rifle body most notably now being cast in both blue ''and'' black plastic. He came in special "book box" style packaging with black-and-white boxart, and was only available at retail in Australian and Asian markets. North American customers could later buy him via [[Hasbro Toy Shop]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/HTSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Special Edition Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium-toy Target OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yawn... Hey, wait! Am I [[Delta Magnus]] now?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (6" Cybertron Heroes, 2009)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster, display stand

: A [[Target]]-exclusive [[redeco]] of War Within Optimus Prime in [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action film]]-inspired colors. The bio on the back of the packaging only fills up half of the allotted space, as if the [[Forest Lee|writer]] was tired of describing Optimus Primes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TitOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Target-exclusive Titanium Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Alternity''==
[[File:AlternityConvoy VibrantRed.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It's like G2 Go-bots all over again...but cooler!]]
*'''Convoy Ultimate Silver''' ([[February 26]], 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' Convoy transforms into a 1:32 scale Nissan GT-R, featuring die-cast metal parts, an opening hood, trunk and doors, as well as an interior, complete with his feet and thighs being sculpted to form the back seats. This complex figure stands at 6.5" tall, and is armed with a pair of blasters on each arm. In the hyper-dimensional world of the oft-confusing ''Alternity'' fiction, this figure specifically represents the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Story of Binaltech|Optimus Prime]] of [[universal stream]] [[Primax 903.0 Beta]].

:The mold suffers from a [[Design flaw|minor design oversight]], wherein the rear Nissan badge collides with his left leg strut when the left foot is hinged over and pegged into a clear plastic socket during transformation, with the results being that the connection is slightly crooked, isn't very secure, and sometimes pops off, and that the crooked pegging often causes the socket to crack.

:''Alternity'' Convoy was simultaneously available in both this silver coloration, and a deco based on his traditional appearance termed "Vibrant Red" (see below). The figure was later redecoed to create "[[Nemesis Prime (Universe)#Alternity 2|Convoy Super Black]]" (representing not Optimus Prime, but ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]]), ''Alternity'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Alternity|Ultra Magnus]], and ''Alternity'' [[Dai Atlas (G1)#Alternity|Dai Atlas]]. It was retooled into ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]'' [[#GT|GT-R Prime]], [[Star Saber (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Saber]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Megatron]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#GT|GT-R Maximus]].

*'''Convoy Vibrant Red''' (February 26, 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''A-01'''

:"Vibrant Red" ''Alternity'' Convoy is a redeco of the "Ultimate Silver" figure in the much more traditional red and blue Prime color scheme, representing the Optimus Prime of universal stream [[Primax 109.0 Beta]]. The figure was available simultaneously with the Ultimate Silver version, sharing the same packaging and pack-in materials, save for the color of the illustration on the front of the box, and a sticker that identified the figure within.
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==''Transformers'' (2010)==
===Legends Class===
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[[File:TF2010-toy Legends Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|YOU'LL NEVER GUESS HIS TRUE ALLEGIANCE!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2011)

:[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime is based on his original Generation 1 appearance. He features a [[Kibble#"Faux-parts"|fake grill]] for his robot mode, and his large legs result in a fairly thick and compact truck bed. He is part of "[[Reveal the Shield]]", a subline that outfits all its toys with [[rubsign]]s, and in this case, it's located on the left side of the truck/his left elbow.

:This figure was redecoed and retooled into ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]] and [[Transformers (2014 toyline)|''Transformers'' (2014)]] [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RTSLegOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Legends Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:TF-2012-Legends-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends Class, 2012)
:*''Accessories:'' Sword (running change variant only)
:The [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'']] "[[Reveal the Shield]]" [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends Class]] Optimus Prime sculpt in the deco from the first ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' EZ Collection wave (see below) was released as a "Dollar Store" exclusive (available at stores such as Dollar General and Big Lots) in generic 2010 ''Transformers'' packaging packaging alongside [[Starscream (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Starscream]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Bumblebee]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys#DollarLegends|Megatron]]. The initial release saw the copyright year removed, while a later [[variant#running changes|running change variant]] featured the new tooling originally used for ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]], with not only the retooled hands and a hole on the back of his head/top of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] compatible with [[C joint|3mm posts]], but also Motorbreath's sword accessory.

:If one chooses, the Ion Blaster from the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' Core Class figure]] can be used on this toy.
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===Deluxe Class===
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[[File:G1toy sons of cybertron optimus prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Sons of Cybertron''' (2010)
**''Accessories:'' Machine gun turret/rifle

:Released as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Welcome to Transformers 2010]]'' campaign, the "Sons of Cybertron" set includes a redeco of the 2006 ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' "Ultimate Battle" pack Deluxe class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]], cast mostly in translucent plastic (his shoulders remain opaque [[Unpaintable plastic|Polyoxymethylene (POM)]]). He comes packaged with a similarly translucent redeco of ''Classics'' [[Hot Rod (G1)/toys#Classics (2006)|Rodimus]].

:The set is a counterpart to TakaraTomy's simultaneously-available ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' Sons of Cybertron set, which also features translucent versions of that line's Deluxe [[Optimus Prime (Animated)/toys|Optimus Prime]] and [[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus]] figures. It was intended as an exclusive for the Japanese Chara Hobby 2010 festival, but was also initially offered as a raffle prize at the 2010 "Autobot Alliance" event in the Philippines.,<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/sons-of-cybertron-crystal-classics-optimus-prime-and-rodimus-set-images-169977/ TFW2005.com reports on the Philippines Autobot Alliance/Cybertron Con event. June 18, 2010]</ref> and was later available for purchase at [[Cybertron Con 2010]] in [[Shanghai]].

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[[File:TF2010 Deluxe G2OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Fandom|We]] see a red truck, and we want it [[Black repaint|painted]] [[Scourge (RID)|black]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)
**''Accessories:'' [[Laser Rod (weapon)|Sword]]

: Part of the sixth wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)#RTS|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]], this Optimus Prime is an all-new Deluxe Class mold based on the original ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Laser Optimus Prime toy ([[#LaserOptimusPrime|see above]]). Transforming into an International 8200 truck, he has some influences from the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action movie Optimus Prime]], including the more defined flames on his hood, athletic [[robot mode]] proportions and a more aggressive-looking translucent orange sword that can be held with both hands for maximum extreme chopitude. Optimus Prime features extensive use of translucent plastic in his arms, head and upper torso for a [[light-piping]] effect. Optimus also has a (non-detachable) matrix gimmick in robot mode that is formed by a relief pattern on the inside of the cab's side windows and is visible through the windshield/chest in robot mode. Like the Legends toy, he's part of ''Reveal the Shield'' and features a [[rubsign]], this time on the roof. He is also ''very'' articulated and poseable, even featuring ankles and wrists that are both [[Ball joint|ball-joint]]ed ''and'' [[Swivel joint|hinged]].

: The original Hasbro [[Stock photography|stock photos]] depict him as having red [[paint operation]]s on his kneecaps and the sunken ridges around his blue abs that the final product lacks. The photos on the cardback show him with a red Autobot symbol on his truck door and blue plastic instead of grey for the piece just in front of his rear tires. The back photo also depicts his side windows as being the same translucent orange as the front ones, when they are, in reality, a garish solid orange.

: Multiple reports suggest that the toy suffers from a [[design flaw]], inferior plastic quality, or both: Due to his hands having peg-holes that are a bit too small to accommodate 5 mm posts, they have a tendency to show stress marks on the inside after pegging his sword handle (or most other pegs) inside. Stress marks also tend to appear near his tiny hinged wrists. Fortunately, there have been no reports of the hands actually ''breaking'' on either location thus far.

: This toy was redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]/[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Optimus Prime (SG)#BotCon2012|Optimus Prime]] and ''Timelines'' [[Scourge (RID)#Timelines|Scourge]], and was retooled into ''Timelines/Shattered Glass'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Timelines|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/RTSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Reveal the Shield" Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Masterpiece''===
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[[File:Transformers2010toy-HasbroMP10OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Standing tall and proud with his smokestacks erect.]]
*'''Masterpiece Optimus Prime''' (2012/2014)
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster#Transformers (2010)|Ion cannon]], [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#mp10hasbro|Matrix of Leadership]], [[Energon-axe#Tranformers (2010)|Energon axe]], [[Combat Deck (G1)#Transformers (2010)|trailer/Battle Station/Maintenance Dock]], [[Roller (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Autobot Roller]], [[Spike Witwicky (G1)#Transformers (2010)|Spike Witwicky figurine]]
:The Hasbro [[Toys"R"Us]]-exclusive release of [[#MP10|MP-10 Convoy]] features brighter blue plastic and paint, brighter unpainted non-metallic red plastic, painted yellow lights above the front truck windshields, painted light blue eyes, and lacks silver paint for the trailer's interior. Roller is now blue.

:In the Philippines, this was only available as a Toys"R"Us "Limited Edition" figure in the Trinoma mall from August 23–26, with customers having to sign up to reserve their figure. It was limited to 48 units total, and was limited to one per customer.

:Hasbro Asia re-released this in 2014. It came with an exclusive addition—the [[Key to Vector Sigma#Masterpiece|Key to Vector Sigma]]. In 2017 it was [[#Masterpiece 3|basically reissued]] under ''Generations'' co-branding.

:Stock photos show his vehicle mode mistranformed.
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==''United''==
[[File:Unitedtoy cybertron mode prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|See?! War for Cybertron ''is'' G1!]]
*'''Optimus Prime Cybertron Mode''' ([[December 25]], 2010)
**''ID number'': '''UN-01'''
**''Accessories'': "Assault rifle"

: The first toy in TakaraTomy's ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' toyline is a [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (franchise)|War for Cybertron]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Generations|Optimus Prime]], transforming into a Cybertronic "armored truck". As has been TakaraTomy's won't of late, he now sports a metallic red paint job, with brighter pink paint applications and cooler grey parts, and features several additional paint details to those present on the Hasbro figure in the form of black chest windows and pink lines on his face mask. His rifle transforms as well, folding and plugging into the roof of the vehicle mode. The rifle can also peg into his forearms, and, in its compact configuration, can attach to his shoulders via peg holes on the backs of his front tires or stored behind his back in [[robot mode]].

: This mold was also used to make ''United'' [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)#Toys|Darkside Optimus Prime]].

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[[File:Unitedtoy g1prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|No, my legs won't retract. Now buy me.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (December 25, 2010)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-06'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser rifle

:The second Optimus Prime toy in TakaraTomy's ''United'' toyline is another redeco of the ''Classics'' multi-pack Deluxe-sized toy (the first release in Japan), this time featuring an extensive metallic red paint job on the majority of the red plastic, and he features metallic sheen on the unpaintable red plastic and his blue plastic is now brighter. While the paint masks are identical to the Special Edition release, ''United'' Optimus Prime features additional paint operations on the hip, the stomach grille, the fold-up waist panels, the lower chest piece (at least in the front), and the forehead.

:Although the stock photo (pictured from the right) shows both of his biceps painted silver with his Autobot insignia tampographed on the left shoulder, the final product omits the paint operation (due to being molded with unpaintable plastic) and the insignia is placed on his left forearm, just like his ''Classics'' figure.

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[[File:Unitedtoy laser prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Laser Optimus Prime''' ([[March 26]], 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''UN-22'''
**''Accessories:'' "[[Laser Rod (weapon)|Laser Rod]]" sword

:The third ''United'' Optimus Prime toy is a redeco and slight retool of the [[#Transformers (2010)|Deluxe Class figure]] from Hasbro's 2010 ''Transformers'' toyline, itself an homage to Prime's ''Generation 2'' [[#LaserOptimusPrime|"Laser" form]]. The toy features translucent blue plastic as opposed to Hasbro's orange, red paint is used on the biceps instead of blue paint, extra red paint applications on the knees like the original's sticker detail, and more broken-up red apps on the shoulders. Silver detailing was added to the cab mode on the grill, the bumper, and near the doors. The blue plastic in cab mode is now black plastic to make the figure more accurate to the ''Generation 2'' original. The gray plastic is changed from the Hasbro version to more closely match the [[#G2reissue|2006 reissue of Laser Optimus Prime]]. Black paint was applied to the cab mode to mimic the fade from red to black on the original Laser Optimus, but still includes a flame deco like the Hasbro version, only in a different design. It lacks the roof-mounted rubsign of the Hasbro version, instead including Autobot insignias on the cab doors. (Disappointingly, they are Generation 1 insignias, rather than ''Generation 2'' ones!) Additionally, a retool was made to the peg on the inside of his right shoulder, to make it shorter and wider than the Hasbro version, allowing it to move freely without hitting the torso, unlike the Hasbro release.
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[[File:Unitedtoy-BlackOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Shouldn't be hard for him to fit in with the Decepticons... There's like, [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|two]] [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|other]] "evil Optimus Prime" guys in their ranks.]]
*'''Black Optimus Prime''' ([[June 16]], 2012)
**''Accessories:'' Smokestacks/blaster, wind vane/cannon

:Available [[exclusive]]ly at the [[Tokyo Toy Show]] 2012 (along with [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#Shining|''Prime'' Shining Optimus Prime]]), Black Optimus Prime is a very minor redeco of the previously unreleased [[#GenteiBlack|''Gentei! Gentei!'']] black version of [[#Henkei! Henkei!|''Henkei! Henkei!'' Convoy]], itself a redeco of the [[#Classics (2006)|''Classics'' Voyager Class toy]]. As such, Black Optimus Prime is mostly cast in black plastic, with some gray parts, translucent red windows and teal paint operations.

:The only differences with the unreleased version, aside from the packaging, are that silver paint has been added to the previously unpainted grill/fender area, the blue paint operations have been changed to teal, and the red Autobot insignias have been replaced by purple Decepticon ones. Prime's [[bio]] apparently explains that he took on this new color scheme in order to infiltrate the Decepticon ranks, in response to recent attacks by some new Decepticon forces pretending to be Autobots.

::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1579.html Black Optimus Prime at Alfes's Toy Blog (part 1)]''
::*''[http://higekumatoytoy.blog60.fc2.com/blog-entry-1580.html Black Optimus Prime at Alfes's Toy Blog (part 2)]''
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==''Chronicle''==
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[[File:TF-Chronicle-CH01-G1-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''G1 & Movie Sōshireikan Set''' (multi-pack, 2011)
**''ID number:'' '''CH01'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Ion blaster|Laser rifle]], trailer

:This reissue of the original Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure comes in a two-pack with the Deluxe-Class ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Optimus Prime figure]]. Prime himself is almost identical to the ''Encore'' release, save for his trailer hitch which was retooled to allow a peg to be inserted within it while still being able to be inserted into the trailer itself (making it compatible with his G1 trailer and the new trailer included). Like the Encore release, he features lighter colors and tampographed shoulder symbols (which vary slightly from the Encore release).

:His original trailer is not included with the set; instead, he comes with [[Armored Weapons Platform#Chronicle|a new deluxe-scaled trailer]], not available with any other figure, based on the one towed by Prime in ''Dark of the Moon''. The trailer is compatible with both figures, and sports [[5 mm post|5mm post]]-holes that will hold (among many other things) G1 Prime's laser rifle and the [[MechTech]] weapon Movie Prime is armed with.

:Oddly, for their official [[stock photography|promotional photography]], Takara took an existing photo of Optimus Prime's robot mode that was at least a decade old, having previously been used as a very early (and inaccurate) illustration for Hasbro's then upcoming ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' reissue of the figure.
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===''EZ Collection''===
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*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, 2011)
:A ''veeery'' slight [[repaint]] of the [[#2010legend|2010 Reveal the Shield]] Legends figure, the first ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' Prime replaces that figure's rubsign with a tiny tampographed Autobot symbol on his left bicep. He was one of eight figures available in the first wave of "EZ Collection" blindpacked figures.
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*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, 2011)
:The '''Reveal the Shield''' Legends Prime mold was redecoed again for the inclusion in the second EZ Collection wave. This version of the figure replaces his blue on the head with black, and the blue paint on the legs is stripped off, revealing the black plastic underneath. and like the Megatron redeco in the same wave, features a ''Generation 2'' Autobot symbol instead of a Generation 1 insignia.
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==''Kre-O''==
{{Note|This section only lists Generation 1-inspired Optimus Prime ''Kre-O'' toys.}}
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[[File:KreO-Toy OptimusMatrixKreon.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|If you even ''thought'' about Transformers in 2011, you probably have two of me.]]
*'''Matrix Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Pieces'': '''10'''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

: Intended to be [[exclusive]] to [[BotCon 2011]], this redeco of the regular Optimus Prime Kreon has an open chest showing the [[Matrix of Leadership]] within. He comes with a G1 inspired gun and a black brick display stand.

: We say "intended", because in actuality, the thing appears to have been produced in such huge quantities that it's wound up being made available in ''loads'' of other places—it was handed out at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2011, offered as a free giveaway with any order that included Transformers toys on [[Hasbro Toy Shop]]), as a free gift on the cover of the ''[[Awesome Autobots Activity Book]]'', and came as a free gift attached to, of all things, issue #240 of the [[United Kingdom|UK]] children's comic, ''[[Doctor Who]] Adventures'' (but not the UK's [[Transformers (Titan Magazine)|Transformers comic]], you'll note!).

:A supposed factory error even caused this version (minus display stand) to be included in the larger Optimus Prime kit (see below). This problem has (presumably) been fixed, but it was awesome while it lasted.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OMatrixOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Matrix Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy Optimus542pc.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Nigh-infinite configuration possibilities, and somehow a WORSE base mode than pretty much every other Optimus's trailer-bases. Wow.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''30689'''
**''Pieces'': '''542'''
**''Kreons'': Optimus Prime, Bluestreak, Skywarp, two Stunt Drivers
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, weapons sprue (sniper rifle, pistol, submachinegun, handcuffs, radio, ammo box), large tool sprue (shovel, hammer, electric drill, clamp), small tool sprue (socket wrench, screwdriver, wrench, hatchet), 2 traffic cones

: Naturally, Optimus Prime got the biggest of the sets in the first year of ''Kre-O''. The set can be built into a large long-nose tractor-trailer rig with a removable "sleeper" cab that hides a computer station, and a trailer that can carry the set's two motorcycles or open up to carry larger car builds. The robot mode build includes a huge Optimus, based largely on the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action movie Optimus]], though with a head based almost directly on the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Voyager Optimus]]. He is armed with a distressingly plain brick that fires pressure-launched missiles (aka his smokestacks). Most of the leftover parts in robot mode become a "headquarters" which is mostly just a random assemblage of mismatched-color panels and a pair of barricades. Both main builds leave numerous parts unused if you go expressly by the instructions, but hey, it's a building kit, surely you can find ''someplace'' to apply most of them.

: The set comes with a bevy of [[Kreon]]s, including Optimus Prime (this one based heavily on Generation 1 Optimus), [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Bluestreak]], [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Skywarp]], and a pair of human [[Stunt Driver]]s. A packaging error resulted in some releases of this set to come with the promotional "Matrix chest" Optimus (see above) rather than the normal version pictured here.

:Speaking of errors, the instruction manuals (he has two) both have errors in their parts listings, showing numerous pieces in the wrong colors or not making it clear that some parts are, well, clear. Making things more confusing, not all of these miscolors are reflected in the step-by-step instructions, while a couple new ones are added there.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO OptimusPrime small.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|So come on down to South Park and meet some friends of mine.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2011)
**''Set number'': '''31143'''
**''Pieces'': '''90'''

: The smaller optimus Prime Kre-O kit is loosely based on the original Optimus Prime, transforming into a cabover truck. He comes with no Kreons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Kre-OSmallOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "small" Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy OptimusCustomKreon.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Custom Kreon, 2013)
**''Set number'': '''A6085'''
**''Pieces'': '''41'''
**''Accessories'': Rack, large rifle, ray pistol, robot sword, wing-backpack, rocket-backpack

: Part of the first assortment of "Custom Kreons", this version of Optimus Prime comes with a buildable parts rack on which to hang/store his many many extra pieces. His [[tampograph]]s are much more heavily-detailed than the original Kreons, based on the [[#The Transformers|original Optimus Prime toy]]. His "normal" helmet (and small sword) are [[chrome]]d, plus he comes with an extra clear-plastic helmet, torso and legs. He also has a pair of extra arms (originally from the ''Kre-O Battleship'' aliens), plus a buildable large rifle, a buildable wing-pack, and a ray pistol (originally an [[Andorian]] blaster from ''Kre-O Star Trek'').

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[[File:KreO-Toy OrionPax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Orion Pax''' (2014)
**''Pieces'': '''10'''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, transparent block, brick display stand

:Available only with the ''[[Transformers: Kre-O Character Encyclopedia]]'', Orion Pax is a Kreon version of Orion Pax from "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]". He uses the [[Ironhide (Kre-O)|Ironhide]] helmet and the original Optimus Prime Kreon's gun. The transparent block which he can hold has "KREO" written on it in [[Cybertronian language#Notes|Autobot text]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/Kre-OOrionPax/orionpax.htm More information on Orion Pax at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Kre-o-Elite-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Give [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Diablock|me]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kre-O|your]] face?]]
*'''Elite Optimus Prime''' (2014)
**''Pieces'': '''43'''
**''Acessories'': Optimus rifle

:A polybag with buildable Optimus Prime with larger hands and legs on a Kreon sized torso, much like the Galvatron in the Factory Battle set. His helmet is completely unpainted.

:This figure was a freebie given away at Canadian Toys"R"Us stores during a build-a-figure event, and also available at the "Transformers Exhibition" event in Taipei, Taiwan from [[June 27]] to [[July 6]].

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[[File:KreO-toy OptimusClass84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Voted Most Likely to <s>[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Diablock|GIVE ME]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Kre-O|YOUR FACE]]</s> Succeed]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Most Likely To Succeed
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

: This version of Optimus, part of the the [[Kreon Class of 1984]], lays heavy on the toy-based tampographs (though they are completely different from the other iterations), and like the others in the set, has a more animation-model-inspired face deco, what with having a nose and all.

:He was only available in a pack of 30 Kreons dubbed "Class of 1984". This set was made for sale at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014. Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online after the convention, but as the set sold out at the show, that never happened.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/SDCCKre-OOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Class of 1984 Optimue Prime at TFU.info]

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*'''Total Commander Optimus Prime (Convoy)''' (Gacha capsule Kreon, 2014)
**''Accessories'': Ray pistol

:In late 2014, twelve Kreons were sold through [[TakaraTomy]]'s "TakaraTomy A.R.T.S" [[Gacha]] capsule-toy machines in Japan. Thankfully for the rest of the world, these Kreons are all basically identical to previously-released ones in the Hasbro lines. The Gacha release of Optimus Prime is basically the base [[#Custom|Custom Kreon Optimus]] using his clear-plastic helmet and carrying the small ray pistol, lacking his leg-wheels, smokestacks and backpack (and of course all those other parts and accessories).
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===Battle Changers===
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[[File:Kre-o-battle-changers-optimus-prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|It remains to be seen if Optimus' pieces can be rebuilt [[Alligaticon|into an alligator]]. ''(Individual version pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Battle Changers, 2015)
**''Set Number'': '''B0715'''
**''Pieces'':''89''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle

:Part of the new Battle Changers line, Battle Changers Optimus Prime transforms from truck into a robot and back without removing any parts!

:Like the rest of the Battle Changers, he is available in selected Asian countries since December 2014.

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[[File:Kre-O-Battle-Changers-2-pack-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|''(2-pack version pictured)'']]
*'''Optimus Prime VS Megatron''' (Battle Changers 2-pack, 2015)
**''Set Number'': '''B1506'''
**''Pieces'': ''198''
**''Accessories'': Optimus rifle, trailer

:Available in a two pack set with [[Megatron (Kre-O)#Battle Changers|Battle Changer Megatron]], this Optimus is largely the same as as the single release, with some minor differences. He uses a new "double harness" piece on his torso instead of using two harnesses, leaving more space for his head to grip the neck-post. He also has different windshield decals, and his reds and blues are slightly darker. And, most obviously, he has an additional buildable trailer, though it doesn't really attach to the truck mode in any meaningful way.
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===Mini-Con Combiners===
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*'''Optimus Prime''' (Mini-Con Combiners, unreleased)
**''Accessories'': Bazooka, [[Phaser (weapon)|phaser]], Uzi, scoped pistol, [[Klingon]] blaster

:"Mini-Con Combiner"' Optimus comes with one standard Kreon and four ''Cityville''-syle mini-Kreons of the same character, each one a different incarnation from various franchises. With some extra parts, the mini-Kreons become limbs to make a larger combiner-bot.

: The main torso-bot is based on Generation 1 Optimus's original body. Two of his limbs are based on ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]; one "normal" (Inferno helmet), one pre-[[Earth]]-body (Knock Out helmet). Another is based on [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus]] (Soundwave helmet), and the remaining one (Ironhide helmet)... actually looks to be based on the Optimus-like-but-not-Optimus [[Micromaster]] [[Overload (G1)|Overload]]! The heck?

:[https://www.seibertron.com/events/fullsize.php?event_id=400&size=1&image=29 First shown at New York Toy Fair 2015], the Mini-Con Combiners were apparently cancelled without fanfare... a decision that must have come late in the day, as they went on to star in their own promotional animation, "[[Stuck in a Tree]]", released about eight months after the trade show.

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==''EZ Collection Gum''==
[[File:EZ-Collection-Gum-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy''' (EZ Collection, [[July 30]], [[2012]])
**''ID number'': '''1'''

: [[EZ Collection#Transformers: EZ Collection Gum|''EZ Collection Gum'']] Convoy is another redeco of ''Generations'' Legends Class [[Motormaster (G1)#Generations|Motorbreath]], featuring the retooled parts, but this time omitting the sword. He is decoed once again in his ''Generation 2'' colors (see above), with the black legs, but uses metallic red plastic, and is coated in metallic red, blue (replacing his head's black), and black paint. As per the toyline's name, he comes with a yellow candy-shelled piece of lemony-flavored gum.
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==''Generations''==
{{main|Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys}}

==''Bot Shots''==
[[File:BotShotstoy-OptimusPrime.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|Before time began, I was... a cube.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''B003'''
***''Fist strength'': '''410'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''850'''
***''Sword strength'': '''370'''

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Bot Shots (toyline)|Bot Shots]]'' Series 1 single-packs, Optimus Prime is a teeny little long-nosed semi truck with "trailer", with a spring-loaded [[Autotransformation|automatic transformation]] to robot mode triggered when his front bumper is pressed. He has a "spinner" in his chest that shows his three attack types and power levels. His truck mode and robot body are influenced by the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus Prime]], while his head is taken from the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|original]]. His blue paint is light and sparkly-metallic, his red paint is dull matte, and his optics are yellow.

:This toy was given away free to attendees of Hasbro's "[[Toy Fair 2012|Collector-Fan Media Day" 2012]], slightly altered by a "Toy Fair 2012" sticker applied to the cardback.

:This mold was also [[redeco]]ed to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]]. He shares parts with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#BotShotSuperBot|Super Bot Megatron]] and [[Motormaster (G1)|Motorbreath]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Bot Shots'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-OptimusPrimeLauncher.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime Launcher''' (Launcher, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''BL001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''920'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''450'''
***''Sword strength'': '''280'''

: Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 launchers, this [[repaint]] of Optimus Prime comes with a large trailer that pops open to form a battle station with a spring-loaded launching platform. He appears to have the same plastic colors as the single release, and the same set of [[paint operation]]s, but his paint is done in different shades, having glossy dark blue paint and glossy bright red paint. The black part of his launcher is sculpted to look vaguely like the repair done that is part of Generation 1 Optimus Prime's repair bay.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSLOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Launcher Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-BattlefortheMatrix-LauncherOptimusPrime.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Battle for the Matrix''' (Multi-pack, 2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''UB001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''835'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''505'''
***''Sword strength'': '''275'''

: This minor [[redeco]] of the Optimus Prime Launcher features grey wheels, blue optics, and added red paint on its upper arms, while the launcher has grey plastic in place of black, smaller Autobot symbols on its sides, and gold paint on its interior instead of silver. The [[stock photography]] on the [[packaging]] depicts Optimus with a blue stripe on his built-in "trailer", which was omitted in the final product.

: The set also comes with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Megatron with his launcher]], [[Brawl (Movie)#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Decepticon Brawl]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BotShotBattleForMatrix|Bumblebee]], and a cardboard token representing the [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Bot Shots|Matrix]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSBFTMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Battle for the Matrix" Launcher Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots_SuperBotOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2012)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Number'': '''Super Bot 004'''
***''Fist strength'': '''330'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''315'''
***''Sword strength'': '''995'''

: Part of the fourth wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 1 single-packs, Super Bot Optimus Prime is a redeco of his toy in translucent blue plastic. As a Super Bot, he was [[Shortpacking|packed one per case]], and has higher, more lopsided stats than normal Bot Shots. He has a really, ''really'' good Sword stat.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2012/Autobot/BSSBOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Super Bot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BStoy-SpinShotOptimusPrimeLauncher.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime Launcher''' (Launcher, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''BL001'''
**''Accessories'': 4 [[Energon cube|Energon Cube]] targets
***''Fist strength'': '''820'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''405'''
***''Sword strength'': '''390'''

: Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 launchers, this new-mold Optimus Prime transforms into a very boxy ''Generation 1''-styled truck with trailer. As a Spin Shot, one manually winds up his upper body beforehand when transforming him into vehicle mode, where striking the front of the vehicle will cause him to burst open and spin while auto-transforming. He comes with a launcher used to propel him to great speeds, as well as four cube targets for him to knock over.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSLOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Spin Shot Launcher Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots PolarAssault Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Polar Assault Team''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''T001'''
***''Fist strength'': '''370'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''945'''
***''Sword strength'': '''310'''

: Part of the first wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 five-packs, this redeco of the original Optimus Prime toy is cast in translucent blue plastic, with his cab painted white. Despite possessing translucent plastic and more lopsided stats than a regular Bot Shot, he is apparently not labeled as a Super Bot. This version of Optimus comes with similarly-themed with new redecos of [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Bumblebee]], [[Mirage (G1)#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Mirage]], [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Ironhide]], and [[Jetfire (G1)#BotShotPolarAssaultTeam|Jetfire]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSPAOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Polar Assault Team" Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:BotShots Dragon Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Dragon Track''' (Playset, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''UB001'''
**''Accessories'': Launcher
***''Fist strength'': '''565'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''325'''
***''Sword strength'': '''725'''

:Available only with the ''Bot Shots'' Dragon Track set, this version of Optimus Prime is a new mold, changing from a robot form resembling ''Generation 1'' Optimus Prime, into a truck with a rocket exhaust molded into the back of its trailer. As a Flip Shot, he, er, flips up when auto-transforming. He comes with a launcher that can be connected to the track, as well as [[Megatron (G1)/toys#DragonTrack|Flip Shot Megatron and his launcher]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSDTOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Dragon Track" Flip Shot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''BeCool''==
[[File:BeCool-B03-Trailer.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Trailer (Optimus Prime)''' (2012)
**''ID number'': '''B03'''

:''[[Bot Shots (toyline)#BeCool|BeCool]]'' "Trailer" is practically identical to the ''Bot Shots'' "Battle for the Matrix" Optimus Prime toy with the blue eyes and red arms, the only difference being that the game stats stickers in his chest spinner have been replaced with pictures of his vehicle mode, two people holding hands and the letters "Zzz..."

:[[TakaraTomy]]'s [[stock photography]] of Trailer, including the pictures used on the box, uses the original ''Bot Shots'' Optimus toy with the yellow eyes as a base.

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[[File:BeCool-B12-Garbage-Truck.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Garbage Truck (Clean Optimus)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''B12'''

:"Garbage Truck" is a redeco of the same Optimus Prime toy in blue and white, a common coloration for Japanese garbage trucks, that ends up bearing a coincidental resemblance to the ''Bot Shots'' Polar Assault Team Optimus. His stickers now picture his truck mode being loaded with garbage, his truck mode driving around, and the word "cleaning" in both English and Japanese.

: The B12 ID number was previously used for [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys|Special Sports Car]], a limited toy which was only on shelves for three months before being replaced by Garbage Truck.

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[[File:BS02-BeCool-Trailer-and-Trailer-Base.jpg|upright=1.33|thumb|I just passed a "jimmy" and a White, I've been passing everything in sight]]
*'''Trailer and Trailer Base (Optimus Prime)''' (2013)
**''ID number'': '''BS02'''

:This Trailer is identical to the original ''BeCool'' Trailer other than the stickers, and now comes with the trailer/launcher accessory from ''Bot Shots'' redecoed in blue with red stripes. While the vehicle mode sticker in his chest remains, the hand-holding and sleeping ones have been replaced by pictures of the launcher: one in base mode and one in trailer mode. He also comes with a sticker sheet for decorating the Trailer Base.
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==''GT''==
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[[File:GT-R-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|From Nissan to nii-san.]]
*'''GT-R Prime''' ([[May 25]], 2013)
**''ID number:'' '''GT-01'''
**''Accessories:'' "Impact Wrench Gun", [[Misaki]] race queen figure

: ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]'' "GT-R Prime" is a heavy retool of ''Alternity'' [[#Alternity|Convoy]], transforming into a 1:32 replica of the Motul Autech GT-R race car used by the {{w|Nismo}} team in the {{w|Super GT}} racing championship series. He retains the flip-out blasters of the ''Alternity'' toy and can also wield his new Impact Wrench Gun accessory (also called the "Optimus Rifle" on the ''Transformers GT'' website), a weapon based on the impact wrenches used in car repairs. Like all ''GT'' toys, Prime also comes with a [[GT Sister]], poseable human figures themed after {{w|race queens}}, his partner being a lady named Misaki.

: GT-R Prime's packaging points out that he can be fitted into ''Masterpiece'' Optimus Prime's trailer to replicate the way actual race cars are transported.

: This mold was also used, with different heads and accessories, to make the other ''Transformers GT'' toys: [[Star Saber (G1)#GT|GT-R Saber]], [[Megatron (G1)/toys#GT|GT-R Megatron]], and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#GT|GT-R Maximus]].
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==''FJ Cruiser × Transformers''==
[[File:TF-FJ-Cruiser-Transformers-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=3|thumb]]
*'''FJ Optimus Prime''' (2013)
**''Accessories:'' spare tire/axe

:Part of a cross-promotion between {{w|Toyota}} and TakaraTomy, the deluxe-sized FJ Optimus Prime transforms into an {{w|Toyota FJ Cruiser|FJ Cruiser}}, with his axe weapon becoming the vehicle's spare tire. The vehicle mode's body panels come packaged on the sprue, and can then be clipped onto the core figure. The mass retail release of FJ Optimus includes yellow and white panels, while the red variant was available when purchasing an FJ Cruiser at Japanese Toyota dealerships. As is typical of TakaraTomy exclusives, these variants came in grayscale packaging.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/FJOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on FJ Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Construct-Bots''==
[[File:Construct-Bots-Elite-Class-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Elite Class, 2013)
: Optimus Prime transforms into a truck-like vehicle. This version is a retool to the Ultimate Class two-pack listed below, as his head design is slightly different. Additionally this version features transparent plastic for his body armor amongst other plastic changes. He includes a blue version of one of the Ultimate Class version's gun.

: As with all Construct-Bots, Optimus Prime's rubber ball joints on the shoulder and feet can harden over time, which makes it difficult to pose smoothly.

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*'''Optimus Prime vs Megatron''' (Ultimate Class, 2013)

: Optimus Prime transforms into a truck-like vehicle, packed alongside his eternal nemesis [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Construct-Bots|Megatron]]. This version has opaque colors and a more traditional Optimus color scheme. He includes a projectile weapon along with a variety of melee weapons, as well as a swathe of extra parts for additional configurations.

:Optimus' sword was later redecoed/reused for [[Silverbolt (G1)#Construct-Bots|Silverbolt]] and one of ''Timelines'' [[Oilmaster#Timelines|Oilmaster]]'s weapons.
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==''Hero Mashers''==
[[File:HM-toy Optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Modular building is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Battle Upgrade, 2014)
**''Pieces'': '''18'''
**''Accessories'': Missile-launching rifle, missile, energy axe, cannon, left & right rocket pods, "Ultra Magnus" right forearm & fist

: Part of the first wave of "Battle Upgrade" ''[[Hero Mashers]]'' toys, Optimus is a non-transforming action figure with ratchet-joints, about six inches tall. He has multiple peg-holes all over that can be used to mount any ''Hero Mashers'' accessory. As a first-wave figure, he has extra ankle articulation that is not present in later waves (a cut that was made to all ''Hero Mashers'' lines, not just the ''Transformers''-branded ones).

: He is designed with a removable head, forearms, thighs, and lower legs, all of which use the same clip-peg/hole joint. This means his pieces can be swapped around in any order, as well as swapped with any other ''Hero Mashers'' figure... which includes figures from [[Marvel Comics]], ''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'', and ''[[Jurassic Park|Jurassic World]]'', meaning you can make some pretty freaky combinations.

: While he is the same size as a standard Hero Masher, his larger [[size class|price point]] is made up for with a lot more parts and gimmicks. Both of his hands are removable, which allows for accessories to be placed in his wrist sockets, notably his iconic "energy axe". His rifle is a spring-loaded missile launcher. He also comes with [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Hero Mashers|Ultra Magnus]]'s right arm, which is a [[redeco]] of ''Hero Mashers'' [[Bulkhead (Prime)#Hero Mashers|Bulkhead]]'s, only molded to remove that toy's missile-launching gimmick.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/HMOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Hero Mashers'' Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:HM-toy Optimus Electronic.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Mom said it's ''my'' turn on the [[Xbox 360|Xbox]]."]]
*'''Electronic Optimus Prime''' (Electronic Action, 2014)
**''Pieces'': '''22'''
**''Accessories'': Missile launching cannon, missile, sword, shield, bladed shield, electronic left forearm, bladed left fist, torso armor, left & right winged "launchers", left & right armor boots

: Part of the first (and only) wave of larger electronic ''Hero Mashers Transformers'' toys, the base Optimus Prime figure in this set is ''almost'' identical to the above "Battle Upgrade" toy; this version has a closed right fist that can hold accessories rather than the Battle Upgrade version's finger-pointy one.

: However, this set comes with a completely different (and much larger) pile of accessories to turn Optimus (or any other ''Hero Mashers'' figure) into a hulking armored warrior. He comes with an extra left forearm with an electronic light, used to light up clear-plastic accessories when they're plugged into his wrist socket. Several of these accessories take inspiration from the [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus]]'s gear, notably a very ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]''-esque shield.

: Oddly, the big stompy boots accessories are designed in a way that Optimus is really far back in them, leaving a huge gap between his shins and the boots' "knee" guards. Presumably this is to accommodate other ''Hero Mashers'' toys with much larger footprints.
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==''EZ Collection'' (2013)==
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[[File:TF-EZ-Collection-2014-EG01-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=0.99|thumb|I'm the one you actually want. Except that you're gonna import it.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (EZ Collection, [[April 27]], 2013)
**''ID number'': '''EG01'''

:This ''EZ Collection'' Optimus Prime is ''yet'' another release of the ''Reveal the Shield'' redeco with the Motorbreath retooling, but this time he features light blue paint applications in place of the original dark blue. Like the rest of his brethren on the same line, Optimus features a movie version of the Autobot insignia.
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==''Bearbrick''==
[[File:Bearbrick OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Honey is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[July 17]], 2014)

: A special edition [[Bearbrick]] released in celebration of the ''Transformers'' 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime transforms from a Bearbrick painted up like himself to a bear-eared robot. He has no accessories, but holes in his [[robot mode]] hands can accommodate other toys' weapons.

: This mold, with a different head sculpt, was also used for the simultaneously released Bearbrick [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Megatron]], and also redecoed into [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]] and ''Age of Extinction'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Bearbrick|Optimus Prime]]. It was further retooled into Bearbrick [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Bearbrick|Starscream]].
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==''Transformers'' (campaign item)==
[[File:AOE-toy Convoy AnniversaryClear.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy [Anniversary Clear Ver.]''' (EZ Collection, 2014)

:A [[redeco]] of the ''[[Transformers (2010 toyline)#Hasbro Reveal the Shield subline|Reveal the Shield]]'' Legends Class [[#Legends_Class|Optimus Prime]] toy with the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Motormaster (G1)#GDO|Motorbreath]] [[retool]]ing (for accessories he does not come with), Convoy is cast in red and black clear plastic. He has been retooled to include a magnet in his right foot, allowing him to interact with ''Lost Age'' [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Lost Age|Battle Command Optimus Prime]] and ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (toyline)|Age of Extinction]]'' [[Grimlock (AOE)#Stomp&Chomp|Stomp & Chomp Grimlock]].

: Convoy was available at a variety of 2014 events, including on [[May 3]] at a "Kids Walk" event at {{w|Fuji Speedway}}, in special packaging on [[May 16]] at the "Transformers Celebration 2014" midnight event at the Sunshine City [[Toys"R"Us]] store in {{w|Ikebukuro}}, on [[June 15]] at Tokyo Toy Show 2014, at the Aeon Mall in {{w|Kasukabe}} on [[July 19]], and at the "Transformers Expo" event in {{w|Yokohama}} on [[August 9]]; at the Expo's preview night, attendees could also acquire a sticker sheet designed to turn the toy into Nemesis Prime. Convoy was also available as one of three preorder bonuses for ''[[Transformers Cloud|Cloud]]'' [[Roadbuster (G1)#Cloud|Roadbuster]].

:This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[Yokohama Convoy|Nemesis Prime/Yokohama Convoy]].
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==''Legend Commander Collection''==
[[File:Legend-Commander-Collection-LC-01-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy (Jodai)''' (2014)
**''ID number:'' '''LC-01'''
**''Accessories'': Ion Blaster, Energon Axe

:Part of the ''[[Legend Commander Collection]]'' sold at [[Transformers Expo]], "Convoy (Jodai)"—''jodai'' (初代) meaning "first generation"—is a redeco of ''Robotmasters'' G1 Convoy. While most of the paint masks are identical to the original mold, other changes include replacing the translucent parts into clear blue plastic, and the panel-lining on the grill is stripped off. Unlike the first toy, he does not include a pair of swappable 3mm fists, his missile launcher, or his Calamity Defenser weapon.

:Remaining stock was sold through [[TakaraTomy Mall]].
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==Optimus Prime Pen==
[[File:OptimusPrimePen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hand cramps are the right of all sentient writers and artists.]]
*'''Transformers Optimus Prime Pen''' (2014)
**''Accessories:'' Ion blaster

: Released in Japan by [[Sentinel (company)|Sentinel]] as part of the 30th anniversary, Optimus Prime Pen is a well-articulated robot that folds into the shape of a rather chunky, but functional ballpoint pen. The tip of the pen is formed from his ion blaster, with the barrel acting as a cap.

: This mold was also used to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Black Convoy Pen|Black Convoy Pen]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Ultra Magnus Pen|Ultra Magnus Pen]].
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==''Transformers'' (2014)==
[[File:Transformers-2014-Legion-Optimus-Prime-(black-insignia).jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Black insignia version pictured.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legion Class, 2014/2015/2017)
**<s>''Accessories'': Sword</s>

:Another release of the ''Reveal the Shield'' Legends Class sculpt, the deco for its initial release is ''almost'' identical to the ''Transformers'' release from 2012, having silver chest-windows instead of light-metallic-blue, plus a large "CE" mark and number on the backs of its legs, declaring the toy meets European product safety requirements. The tooling is identical to the 2012 release's running change variant, with the retooled hands and a hole on the back of his head/top compatible with [[Cyberverse (toyline)|Cyberverse]] [[C joint|3mm]] pegs.

:Bizarrely, the [[package art]] is lifted directly from the ''Generations'' Legends Class Optimus Prime/Autobot Roller two-pack's packaging, whereas the [[stock photography|stock photos]] depicted on the back of the packaging are taken from ''Reveal the Shield'' Optimus Prime's packaging and only slightly altered, advertising a "[[Reveal the Shield]]" [[rubsign]] [[gimmick]] the toy doesn't actually have. Meanwhile, Hasbro's official stock photos provided to online retailers (including an in-packaging photo) depict the toy with the sword that came with the running change variant of the sculpt's 2012 release, even though the actual toy doesn't include the sword.

:Legion Class Optimus Prime has been found at Family Dollar and Dollar General stores in the United States. A later [[variant]] repleaced the red Autobot insignia with a black version. This later version was also released at general retail in Australia, New Zealand, Europe, and Russia. In Singapore it was released together with [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Starscream]] as part of the promotion for ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'' in selected cinemas.
:This figure was made available again, without any changes, in 2015, this time in new packaging resembling the then-concurrent packaging design for the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' line, but replacing the name "Generations" with "Authentic Transformers". It was also given a new Hasbro product code number and UPC barcode, thereby technically making it a separate product. In 2017, it was re-released ''again'', this time in a minor variant of the 2014 version's packaging (including the original product code number and barcode) that now lacked the reference to the non-existing "Reveal the Shield" gimmick.

:Like [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Bumblebee]] and [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Starscream]], the Black Insignia variant of the toy ended up being dumped to some hobby shop dealers in Asia., and even returned to discount stores like Five Below and 99 Cents Only in the US in 2020.
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==''Nanoblock Motion Choro-Q''==
[[File:NanoblockChoroQConvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Not Minecraft.]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[December 11]], 2014)

:Produced as a collaboration between toylines ''[[Diablock|Nanoblock]]'' and ''[[Choro-Q]]'', this Optimus Prime is a building block toy providing pieces to build both Optimus Prime's super deformed robot mode and, separately, his truck mode (or something else, if you want). His truck mode is built on a generic ''Choro-Q'' chassis outfitted with an electric motor and can be remote-controlled using a smartphone app. While the chassis is physically generic, its firmware identifies it as belonging to the Convoy kit, and the smartphone app's controls adopt a blue and red theme to match, complete with Autobot logo on the steering wheel hub.
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==''Q-Transformers''==
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[[File:QTransformers Optimus Prime GT.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Ohhh! Boo hoo! Let me play a sad song for you on the world's smallest Optimus Prime!"]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[January 24]], [[2015]])
**''ID number:'' '''QT-09'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Optimus Prime is a tiny [[super deformed]] toy based on the [[#Alternity|''Alternity'' Convoy]] design, transforming into a Nissan GT-R R35, though his legs retain the traditional blue truck bed motif. The English name on the packaging refers to him as just "Optimus". He comes with a code for unlocking "GTR Optimus Prime" as a playable character in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' game. Standing at only slightly less than one inch and a half, this is actually the smallest transforming Optimus Prime ever made, which is a fairly impressive feat considering the surprising amount of detail in sculpting and paint apps.

:Optimus Prime was retooled into ''Q-Transformers'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Soundwave]].

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[[File:QTransformers Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[April 25]], 2015 / [[January 30]], 2016)
**''ID numbers:'' '''QT-19''', '''QTF-04'''

:''Q-Transformers'' Convoy is based on his traditional design, transforming into a flat-nose truck with an integrated, non-removable trailer. He comes with a code for unlocking Generation 1 Optimus Prime, under the name "Convoy", in ''Mystery of Convoy Returns''. This toy was re-released with a new ID number as part of the second ''Q-Transformers'' series.

:Convoy was redecoed into ''Q-Transformers'' [[Nemesis Prime (G1)#Q-Transformers|Black Convoy]] and retooled into [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|Ultra Magnus]].

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*'''Optimus Prime''' (2015)
**''ID number:'' '''QT-M'''

:QT-M Optimus Prime is a redeco of the GT-R Optimus Prime mold in the colors of the Transformers-sponsored [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf30th/teammach/ Nissan GT-R] used by the Team Mach racing team (a vehicle previously used as the base for the non-toy character [[Mach Five Racing Prime]]). Like ''[[Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (franchise)|Transformers GT]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Safety Prime]], this toy was a collaboration with the [[w:Super GT|Super GT]] racing series and was given away free to young children who attended TakaraTomy-sponsored "Kids' Walk" events held by Super GT in the fall season of 2015.
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==Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation==
[[File:OptimusPrimeOriginalPlaystation.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|U R NOT <font color=red>E</font>]]
*'''Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation''' (02/2015)
**''Accessories:'' Controller, memory card
: Released alongside a [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Mega Drive Megatron|Sega Mega Drive version of Megatron]] and outside of any other toyline, "Optimus Prime featuring Original PlayStation" transforms from robot to a scaled-down non-functional [[Sony]] [[PlayStation]] video game console. He features an opening disc compartment and comes with two accessories, a memory card and a controller that splits in two and attaches to his lower arms to act as blasters.
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==''Timelines''==
[[File:BotCon-2015-General-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''General Optimus Prime''' (BotCon 2015 two-pack)
**''Accessories:'' Launcher, missile, missile pod, pistol, rifle, cannon/rifle stock, cannon/rifle scope

: Available in the ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' "Generation 2" 2-pack alongside [[Hound (G1)/toys#Timelines|Sgt. Hound]] at [[BotCon 2015]], General Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class [[Roadbuster (G1)#Generations|Roadbuster]] based on the cancelled ''Generation 2'' [[#G2General|General Optimus Prime toy]]. He transforms into an off-road vehicle and comes with numerous weapons, all of which peg via 5mm post onto his vehicle rear/legs, shoulders, upper & lower arms, and hands: a spring-loaded, missile-firing launcher, a pistol, a rifle, and two small cannons that respectively form the scope and stock of the rifle. All of his weapons can combine to form an unwieldy superweapon. The flaws from the original mold are likely to be retained from this release.

: This mold also served as the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnations of [[Guiledart#Beast Wars: Uprising|Guiledart]] and [[Killer Punch#Beast Wars: Uprising|Killer Punch]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/BCGeneralOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on ''Timelines'' General Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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==''Unite Warriors''==
[[File:TF-UW05-Convoy.jpg|upright=2.66|thumb]]
*'''Car Robot Combined Warrior Convoy Grand Prime''' (giftset, [[February 27]], [[2016]])
**''ID number:'' '''UW-05'''
**''English name:'' '''Autobot Car Robots Combiner Convoy Grand Prime'''
**''Accessories'': Weapons, 4 Gun/Fist/Foots

:Takara's iteration of ''Combiner Wars'' Optimus Maximus is sold in a gift set including all five Autobots (minus the Rodimus mold). This version of Convoy has numerous changes in deco to better match his look in the Generation 1 cartoon. Like ''Unite Warriors'' [[Menasor (G1)#Unite Warriors|Menasor]], the set also features some minor improvements to the original sculpts, such as improved hip-ratchets for Convoy for increased stability. He also had the slightly modified pegs that Legends Class Rodimus (or Blackjack, Runabout, and Runamuck) can securely attach to, which was previously used for Battle Core Optimus Prime. The tampographed Autobot insignia on the roof/flip out head joint are now re-positioned to his side truck panels.

:Compared to the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Wars'' release]] of the mold, Convoy features additional paint operations on the thighs, truck bumpers, the details on the inner legs, the gestalt chest halves (which are now painted over due to being molded in grey plastic), and the gestalt torso's lower section. The stomach's deco is also minimized, and the silver paint operations on the lower legs are now replaced with gunmetal while the mute metallic blue is now shiny metallic. When it comes to unpaintable plastic; his knee joints and feet are blue while the majority of the shoulder joints are now red. In addition, his gestalt skirt flap is now molded in the same grey color, and the the leg panels and thighs are now molded in black, with the latter being painted in silver with some yellow details. As the thighs are painted, care must be taken while transforming him in both modes, as they're somewhat prone to paint scraping. To minimize the damage, the two rear halves must be opened first to transform the legs.
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==''Xiaomi / Transformers''==
[[File:Optimus Prime Power Bank.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Transforms from robot to the Monolith from 2001 and back!]]
*'''Optimus Prime Power Bank''' (2017)
**''Accessories'' Shield/Power Bank Shell, wings, sword, USB cord

:Available as a [[HasCon 2017]] exclusive, this Optimus Prime transforms from robot into a ''working'' power bank that supports 6500 mAh of battery power, thanks to a team-up between [[Hasbro]] and Chinese consumer electronics company {{w|Xiaomi}}. As a throwback to the ''Generation 2''<nowiki>'s</nowiki> [[Laser Rod]] gimmick, the USB cord can also plug on his sword to light-up.
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==''au x Transformers''==
[[File:INFOBAR-OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|right=1.66|Cell service is the right of all sentient beings.]]
*'''INFOBAR Optimus Prime (NISHIKIGOI)''' (2017)
**''Accessories:'' Mini flip-phone, display stand, swappable display cards

:Released in conjunction with Japanese cellphone maker au,<ref>[http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/product_release/pdf/p170201.pdf TakaraTomy au x Transformers Project press release]</ref> ''au x Transformers'' INFOBAR Optimus Prime celebrates 15 years since the 2002 au Design Project that resulted in the INFOBAR cellphone, as well as the 10th anniversary of the [[Live-action film series|live-action films]]. He transforms into a (non-functional) scaled-down replica of the 2002 au INFOBAR, and in lieu of cellphone functions, the figure can be paired via Bluetooth with a smartphone, such as an iPhone, to act as a notification alarm in either robot or INFOBAR mode. The screen is also non-functional, but pre-printed cards are included which can be slid into the screen to show an Autobot logo, Decepticon logo, a mockup of a cellphone home screen, or a technical "Transformers INFOBAR" design. He features articulated hands for grasping the included tiny flip-phone accessory (which can flip open) that is stored in the bottom of the cell phone mode. The figure also includes a display stand.

:The project was crowd-funded through Japanese crowd-funding site Makuake.<ref>[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/01/31/transformers-x-au-transforming-phones-launch-crowdfunding-campaign-332289 Transformers x au Transforming Phones Launch Crowdfunding Campaign at TFW2005.com]</ref> For 5,400 yen, contributors received an INFOBAR Optimus Prime, or for 16,200 yen, received INFOBAR Optimus Prime, INFOBAR Megatron and INFOBAR Bumblebee, the only way to obtain the last two items. The project received one million yen in the first 24 hours, ultimately topping out at over 32 million yen.

:This figure was redecoed into INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN) (below) and slightly retooled with new heads and redecoed into [[Megatron (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Megatron (BUILDING)]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Bumblebee (ICHIMATSU)]].

::*''[https://time-space.kddi.com/au-transformers/ More information on au x Transformers website (Japanese)]''
::*''[https://www.makuake.com/project/au-transformers/ More information on INFOBAR Optimus Prime at Makuake crowd-funding site (Japanese)]''
::*''[http://chohenken.com/2017/10/08/INFOBARtf_optimusprime-nishikigoi/ Pictorial review of INFOBAR Optimus Prime at Chohenken (Japanese)]''

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[[File:INFOBAR-OptimusPrime-ANNIN.jpg|thumb|right=1.66|White knight vs [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Music Label|white noise]].]]
*'''INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN)''' (2017)
**''Accessories:'' Mini flip-phone, display stand, swappable display cards

:INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN) is a redeco of INFOBAR Optimus Prime (NISHIKIGOI), transforming into a recreation of the ANNIN edition of the INFOBAR cellphone. All-white in cellphone mode, he sports additional blue and red detailing in robot mode. Surprisingly, this white repaint of Optimus is not based on Ultra Magnus, but rather his [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|movie incarnation]]. Like the other figures in this line, he is not a working cellphone but can be paired via Bluetooth with a smartphone, such as an iPhone, to act as a notification alarm in either robot or INFOBAR mode. The screen is non-functional, but pre-printed cards are included which can be slid into the screen to show an Autobot logo, Decepticon logo, a mockup of a cellphone home screen, or a technical "Transformers INFOBAR" design. The figure also includes a display stand.

:This figure was also retooled into [[Megatron (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Megatron (BUILDING)]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#au x Transformers|INFOBAR Bumblebee (ICHIMATSU)]].

::*''[https://time-space.kddi.com/feature/news-sp/20170713/2041 More information on INFOBAR Optimus Prime (ANNIN) (Japanese)]''
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==''Authentics''==
[[File:Authentics 5inch Optimus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|You know it's bad when they have to tell you it's authentic.]]
*'''Autobot Optimus Prime''' (Bravo, 2017)

:Released in the first wave of the [[Transformers Authentics|''Authentics'']] toyline, "Autobot Optimus Prime" is roughly the size of a 2015 [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)#Mini-Con Battle Packs|''Robots in Disguise'' Battle Pack]] toy. He changes from an [[evergreen]]-inspired robot into a more G1-based truck in just four steps. His instructions are incorrect; for truck mode, his legs must be folded in before the arms, otherwise the locking tabs on the arms will get in the way. Due to his transformation, he ends up with no elbows and a fake chest. He also has problems standing up due to hollow legs.

:Although more of a lucky coincidence than an undocumented feature, Optimus's truck mode can store a sitting [[Titan Master]] (and by extension, a [[Prime Master]]).

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[[File:Authentics 7inch Optimus.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|In case you wanted a bigger turd.]]
*'''Autobot Optimus Prime''' (Alpha, 2017)

:Standing at the height of a Voyager figure, "Autobot Optimus Prime" is nearly identical to his smaller counterpart. He retains the four-step transformation while gaining the (sideways) elbows that the little guy lacks. Like his wavemate [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Authentics|Grimlock]], Optimus comes with kibble detached in-package.

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[[File:TF-Authentics-Titan-Changer-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Titan Changer, 2019)
:This Optimus Prime scales with the rest of the Titan Hero/Guardian/Changer figures, utilizing a different transformation scheme compared to his previous ''Authentics'' figures. Due to the said transformation scheme, and unusual for an Optimus Prime toy; his shoulders end up sticking out from the cab's rear.
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==''Street Fighter II × Transformers''==
[[File:Ryu SFIIxTF toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The pipes are broken!]]
*'''Convoy [Ryu] vs Megatron [Vega]''' ([[May 26]], [[2018]])
**''Accessories'': Sword, double-barreled rifle, Headmaster

:Available as part of the exclusive ''[[Street Fighter II × Transformers]]'' toyline, "Convoy" is a redeco of ''Titans Return'' Voyager Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generations toys#TRVoyager|Optimus Prime]] in [[Ryu]]'s traditional colors, fleshtones and all. He transforms from robot to tanker truck to plane and back. Both vehicle modes have "cockpit" areas to seat any [[Titan Master]] (or compatible) figure. Like all ''Titans Return'' Voyager class figures, he has built in mechanisms to "bulk up" his noggin. In his case these are spring-loaded pylons. The smaller Headmaster's robot mode is also painted to resemble Ryu.

:Ryu was only available in a two-pack with with [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Street Fighter II × Transformers|Megatron]] <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[Vega#Toys|Vega]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>. This set was available for pre-order on [[TakaraTomy Mall]] from [[November 22]] to [[November 27|27]], 2017, with orders fulfilled in late May 2018. A pre-order goal was set as well: if at least 3000 units were pre-ordered, the set would also come with clear display stands for both toys.
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==''Golden Lagoon''==
[[File:TF 35th Golden Lagoon Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|No luck required... until you transform him.]]
*'''Convoy''' ([[July 29]], 2018)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''GL-01'''
**''Accessories'': Ion blaster, energon axe, Matrix of Leadership

:''[[The Transformers Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon]]'' Convoy is a gold and gold chrome redeco of MP-10 in homage of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] [[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|episode of the same name]]. He does not include the trailer, Roller or Spike, but retains his energon axe, ion blaster, and Matrix of Leadership.

:Part of TakaraTomy's 35th anniversary celebration, he was initially released at Summer [[Wonder Festival]] 2018, then later through [[Cybertron Satellite]] stores across Japan and [[TakaraTomy Mall]] on [[September 9]], 2018. Along with the rest of the ''Golden Lagoon'' toys, he was later rereleased through [[Hasbro Pulse]] in January 2021.

:This toy was used to represent '''[[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Generations Selects comic .281.29|Gold Primus Convoy]]''' in the ''[[Generations Selects Special Comic|Generations Selects]]'' comic.
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==''G-Shock × Transformers''==
[[File:G-Shock X Transformers Master Optimus Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|<big>'''''STAR PLATINUM!'''''</big>]]
*'''Master Optimus Prime''' ([[December 8]], [[2018]])
**''Accessories'': 2 [[Star Drive Cannon]], [[Chrono Matrix]]

:Released to celebrate the 35th anniversary of ''Transformers'' and G-Shock, Master Optimus Prime transforms into a "Pedestal Prime Mode" that can hold the included Chrono Matrix accessory or a G-Shock watch. In particular, it is able to hold G-Shock DW-5600 series and DW-6900 series watches. The included Star Drive Cannons can be held in the hands in robot mode, or attached to its Pedestal Prime Mode.

:This mold was retooled to make [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Master Nemesis Prime]].

*'''Master Optimus Prime Resonant Mode [With G-Shock]''' (December 8, 2018)
**''Accessories'': 2 Star Drive Cannon, Chrono Matrix

:Essentially the same release as above, but includes a compatible DW-6900TF-4 watch.
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==''Vintage G1''==
[[File:VintageG1-OptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Aren't you over [[Bumblebee (film)|trailers]] by now?]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2019)
**''Accessories'': 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right)

:Sold at a ''Generations'' Leader-price point, ''[[Vintage G1]]'' Optimus Prime is a [[Walmart]]-exclusive reissue of the [[#The Transformers|Generation 1 toy]] without the trailer. It includes the two versions of his blaster rifle that had not been packaged together since the [[#NewYearConvoy|New Year Special release]], and his smokestacks are now restored to their long, untrimmed glory not seen in the U.S. since the [[#Generation 2|''Generation 2'' toy]]. The silver stripes on his chest and arms are now painted, replacing the factory-applied stickers. In addition, this release comes with a new sticker sheet that features more symmetrical designs.

:Like all ''Vintage G1'' figures, Optimus Prime was [[exclusive]] to [[Walmart]] in the United States and Canada and general release in Asia, notably Toys"R"Us.
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==35th Anniversary==
[[File:TF-35th-Anniversary-OP-set-Convoy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Convoy & Optimus Prime Set''' (2-pack, 2019)
**''Release Date'': [[December]] [[2019]]
**''Accessories'': 2 Laser Blasters, 2 fists (left & right)

:Released as a TakaraTomy Mall exclusive, Convoy is basically a TakaraTomy release of the ''Vintage G1'' toy above, complete with an additional laser blaster. It does not however come with the modified sticker sheet from the ''Vintage G1'' release.

:Convoy was only sold as a set with (but packaged separately from) [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#35th Anniversary|Optimus Prime]].
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==''Crossover Collection''==
[[File:MyLittlePrime.jpg|200px|thumb|right]]
* '''My Little Prime''' ([[2020]])
:Part of a series featuring crossovers between MLP and other properties including ''[[Ghostbusters]]'', ''Power Rangers'', and ''Dungeons & Dragons'', My Little Prime is a pony representation of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] using a mold inspired by Generation 1 of the equine property. He has an Autobot [[insignia]] as his cutie mark. The figure has no articulation aside from a ball-jointed tail.

::*''[https://hasbropulse.com/products/my-little-pony-crossover-collection-transformers-my-little-prime My Little Prime at Hasbro Pulse]''
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==Transformers Fan Book==
[[File:Kodansha-TF-Fanbook-2021-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''[[Transformers Fan Book 2021]]''' (TV-Magazine Mook, 2021)
**''Release Date'': July 2021

:Released as one of the freebies (along with the Stealth-colored Bumblebee) for the 2021 issue of the ''Transformers Fan Book'', this Optimus Prime is yet another redeco of the [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Legends Class|''Reveal the Shield'' Legends Class mold]]. Deco changes include the silver paint being stripped from the smokestacks, while the rest of the body parts, such as the lower waist and the upper thighs/tanks, are painted in black instead. This release uses the Motorbreath retooling.

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==Robosen Collector's Edition==
[[File:Robosen_Optimus_Prime_stock.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This isn't your slightly older brother's [[Automorph Technology|automorph.]]]]
*'''Optimus Prime Auto-Converting Robot''' (2021)
**''Accessories'': Carrying case, laser rifle, energy axe, non-removable exhaust pipes, wall charger, micro USB to USB 2.0 cable

:Robosen's Optimus Prime is a highly interactive, programmable transforming robot. With over 5,000 pieces, 60 microchips, 27 servo motors, 6 high-intensity [[light-emitting diode|LED]]s, 80 different sound effects including voice clips from Peter Cullen, a dedicated iOS/Android bluetooth app interface, and a pricetag of $750 USD, it blurs the line between "toy" and "high-end showroom electronics." Users can choose between multiple ways to control its robotic movements: including pre-programmed voice commands, pre-programmed app controls, or user-created movement scripts. In truck mode, it can drive as directed or honk its horn. In its [[#MP10|MP-10 Convoy]]-influenced 19"-tall robot mode, it can execute a long list of included scripted actions featuring voice and sound effects, plus an infinite variety of user-programmed poses and user-scripted movement sequences. It has distinct attack movements and sounds to be used with its weapons, and has flip-out wrist communicators featuring sticker images of Megatron and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]].

:The main power source is an internal rechargeable lithium ion battery. The truck's front bumper flips down to expose the charging port and the separate micro USB interface port. A replaceable CR 1220 3V battery powers the "laser rifle's" LED; it's not really a laser, but it's bright. The instructions say don't look straight at it.

:In voice command mode, the spoken user command for conversion between truck and robot modes is officially supposed to be "[[Trademark#Genericized trademarks|convert]]," but secretly the toy will respond the same if you say "transform." It also responds to more than 30 other simple words and phrases which trigger other animations and basic functions: such as: "turn left" to turn left, "move right" to step to the right, or "hero" to strike a superheroic ground-punching pose. 6 months after launch, the Robosen software developers were still releasing new movement animations and firmware updates via channels that can be found in the official app, with no announced end date for their continuing improvements.

:27 servo motors might sound like a lot, but compared to contemporary 1st-party figures costing hundreds and hundreds (''and hundreds!'') of dollars less, this item does lack some poseability joints that have become ubiquitous: such as neck rotation, wrist rotation, and the type of leg rotation that would have allowed the feet to point in different directions.

:Although this Optimus Prime does mostly transform on its own, there are some additional manual adjustments required to make each mode look the way it's advertised. In robot mode, one red panel can be removed from the back of the head, and the gas tanks can be moved into a lower position on the legs. If the gas tanks are not lowered, they can protrude enough to obstruct animation. For vehicle mode, the removable red panel should be reattached, gas tanks moved back so they don't cover the wheels, and the side-view mirrors can be flipped out.

:In truck mode, especially via app control, Optimus is a fully functional remote control vehicle that can move forward, backward, and turn. Its steering does not happen the way real trucks do when they tilt the axles of the front wheels within their wheel wells; Instead, Optimus turns by throwing both legs simultaneously to one side or the other, which gives the appearance that the entire cab is pivoting around a central axis.

:In robot mode, Optimus' default idle behavior is not to stand perfectly still. Instead, he will slowly "breathe" with a subtle inhaling/exhaling motion like a human would have after aerobic exercise. From there, he will occasionally shift into other statuesque poses.

:When asked to turn right or left in robot mode, Optimus is not able to perform that action in two or three normal steps with ankle and hip rotation like a human would. He lacks any leg joints that rotate around a vertical axis, so for him to rotate his body to the right, he must perform a startling stutter shuffle move. He pushes one foot out slightly forward, the other foot slightly backward, and maintains that orientation while rapidly sliding his legs together and apart more than once per second until the asymmetrical rapid sliding friction of his feet against the floor eventually scoots him into facing a different direction. This movement can wear out the paint on his inner soles pretty fast, even on smoother surfaces.

:None of the toy's motorized joints are capable of supporting substantial weight without electricity. This means that when powered off, the robot cannot stand upright without external support. Luckily, gravity does allow truck mode to hold together without drooping, but even that will go skewgee if you lift it carelessly. If the toy is in robot mode and senses its batteries are getting low, then to prevent a damaging fall, it will automatically shift into a droopy squatting pose that it can safely sustain while powered off. The average operating time from a full battery charge is approximately 40 minutes. The charging port is not accessible while the robot is standing up. Plugging in the charger while the toy is powered on might endanger fragile components.

:Aside from the laser rifle, none of the LED lights in the eyes, headlights, or tail lights can be deactivated while the toy is powered on. In robot mode, the brake lights shine brightly from the backs of the feet, and the headlights shine from within the forearms. Some of the pre-programmed actions exploit this deliberately, by having Optimus brandish his bright headlights as flip-out weapons. The laser rifle's LED turns on and off with its own physical switch.

:Many of the pre-loaded animations assume Optimus is holding his gun in his right hand and/or that he is holding his axe in his left hand. The toy has no sensors to detect whether those accessories are in place, and the app does not consistently label which animations use accessories. It also does not label the many animations that might damage the toy if attempted while accessories are attached, but <s>transforming</s> converting him or punching the ground would be a bad idea. So don't activate any animations while the accessories are attached unless you're sure you know what will happen.

:In addition to action/fighting/greetings animations, there are also many silly animations available from the official download page, including: Air Guitar with the G1 cartoon theme song, air drumming, a gyrating silent "Christmas" dance, doing push-ups then getting exhausted and passing out, and the {{w|Dab_(dance)|Dab}}.

:The app-controlled motion programming interface is extremely complex. The position of each joint at each step in an animation can be dictated either with numerical parameters, or by sensing the positions of the joints on the toy during programming. Many poses can be strung together to form long action sequences. The app uses long gamified sequences of tutorials to teach programming techniques and unlock more sound clips for use in more animations. Despite that available complexity though, there are some actions used by official animations that cannot be performed in customized sequences: such as a head nod, a full mode conversion, or vehicle driving commands.

:Given this piece's fragility, complexity, and high cost, it is appropriate that it is packaged in a heavy duty foam-padded carrying case, complete with clasps and a handle. But the case can't protect from paint wear issues that arise quickly via actual use. Prime's knuckles and feet will instantly get severe scrape marks if he transforms on a rough surface like concrete, but even smooth unvarnished wood can wear the gloss off the paint before long. Even soft carpeting might not be safe, as some users report toppling issues due to a ''lack'' of traction.

:The sound effect for Prime's gun is of a distinctly "realistic" machine gun, and Hasbro has stated this effect may be changed.<ref>https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/22623017/optimus-prime-transformer-auto-converting-programmable-robot-hasbro-robosen Review of Robosen Optimus Prime mentioning the sound effect choice</ref>

:Accurate 3-D images of this Robosen toy appear throughout its app interface, but the app also decorates prominent buttons with drawings of ''[[Evergreen]]'' Optimus. The app and manual also contain many mistakes in spelling, grammar, typography, labeling transposition, etc.

:This item was revealed on [[Hasbro Pulse]] in April 2021, and began shipping to purchasers in October 2021. The TakaraTomy release of the figure is unchanged, though the dialogue will be swapped from English to Japanese with [[Tessho Genda]] reprising his role.
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==''Anti-Gravity Pedestal Tenseg Base''==
[[File:Anti-Gravity-Pedestal-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Optimus Prime Set'''
**''Release Date'': March [[2022]]
**''Accessories'': Blaster, "[[Flight stand#Flight stands|Tenseg Base]]"

:This uniquely branded ''Anti-Gravity Pedestal Tenseg Base'' release of Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Ultra Magnus]]'s inner robot. Optimus Prime comes with a silver "Tenseg Base" which he can attach to, simulating a "floating" pose. Optimus Prime retains ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]''/''Kingdom'' Ultra Magnus's blaster accessory, colored in a darker metallic gray in a possible attempt to emulate Prime's usual [[ion blaster]].

:Unusually for TakaraTomy, the vehicle mode stock photos are slightly mistransformed - the upper body isn't slid all the way forward, which makes the truck grille appear misaligned. Also, the Hasbro Pulse listing of the figure hilariously labels it as a "[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'']]" figure.

:Sold separately are two alternately colored bases; one in <span style="color: #a62621">heroic Autobot red</span> and the other in <span style="color: #634993">'''EVIL''' Decepticon purple</span>.

:In a happy accident of cross-compatibility, Tenseg Base Optimus Prime can be equipped with the armor and alternate head included with ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Ultra Magnus]] to replicate the [[:File:RedCabPoweredConvoy.jpeg|red cab variant]] of ''[[Diaclone]]'' Powered Convoy released in [[GiG]]'s short-lived ''[[Trasformer]]'' {{sic}} toyline, minus Super Buggy.
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==''Classic Heroes Team''==
[[File:Classic Heroes Team Rescan Optimus Prime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (All Star Rescan, [[2022]])

: A redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (toyline)|Rescue Bots]]'' [[Optimus Prime (WFC)/toys#RacingTrailer|Optimus Prime Racing Trailer set]] minus the trailer, ''[[Transformers: Classic Heroes Team|Classic Heroes Team]]'' Optimus Prime converts from robot mode to truck mode in a single step and features a slightly different deco from the original release, including blue windows instead of black, yellow highlights in place of the light blue and greens, new silver and black paint applications on the legs, and a new Autobot insignia over the chest area.
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==''LEGO''==
[[File:LegoOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"[[Avengers|Autobots, assemble]]… my body."]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' ([[June 1]], [[2022]])
**''Set Number'': '''10302'''
**''Pieces'': '''1,508'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Ion blaster]]", "[[Energon-axe|Energon axe]]", "[[Energon cube]]", "[[Matrix of Leadership|Autobot Matrix of Leadership]]", [[Jet pack|jetpack]], display plaque, optional waist panel

:The first ever collaboration between [[Hasbro]] and one of its main competitors [[LEGO]], 10302 Optimus Prime is a fully brick-built model of the Autobot leader, released under LEGO's ''[[fandom:Brickipedia:Creator|Creator Expert]]'' subtheme. Unlike Hasbro's ''[[Kre-O]]'' sets that preceded it, this ''LEGO'' Optimus Prime set is fully transformable from robot to truck mode without having to disassemble any parts. Unlike the ''[[Diablock]]'' version, Prime is not only a more streamlined and [[Show-accuracy|cartoon-accurate]] build, but also comes fully kitted out with a plethora of accessories this time around. Not only is his ion blaster included as usual, the set also contains his iconic "Energon axe", a pink "Energon cube", the "Autobot Matrix of Leadership" (which can be stored inside his chest), and even a jetpack based on the one he borrowed from [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] in "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]" (which can be attached to his back). He also includes an optional waist piece for fans to either display him with the Generation 1 toy-accurate truck bumper or the cartoon-accurate yellow block-shaped detail. All the aforementioned accessories are also completely brick-built, but only the Matrix and ion blaster can be stored when Prime is in truck mode.

:To round things out, an ''[[fandom:Brickipedia:Ultimate Collector's Series|Ultimate Collector's Series]]''-styled display plaque featuring Optimus Prime's name (in both English and Ancient Autobot), function, motto, and [[Tech Spec]]s is included.

:Unfortunately, Prime's legs are extremely limited in articulation, featuring only hip and ankle joints with no thigh swivels or knee joints. This is likely due to stability concerns, as he is a top-heavy model that stands almost the height of a Supreme Class toy. (The ''Masterpiece'' MP-01 Optimus Prime only barely comes up to his shoulder). However, he features a full range of articulation in his upper body including a functioning waist swivel.

::*''[https://brickset.com/sets/10302-1/Optimus-Prime More information on 10302 Optimus Prime at Brickset]''
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==Notes==
===Before he became Optimus Prime===
[[File:PrototypeTHB.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Not so Optimus Prime.]]

*The first prototype for Battle Convoy, the ''[[Diaclone]]'' originator of Optimus Prime, was vastly different from the final version, complete with an entirely different transformation and a car carrying trailer. The head lacked the faceplate.
*A later prototype/mock-up was much closer to the final product but still has some noticeable differences, such as a head with much larger antennae, longer smokestacks and a front grille section that includes the rectangular section that would sport the "Freightliner" logo on the real-life truck (on the final toy, the rectangular section is part of the hinged upper section that includes the windows). It would have also been possible to attach the [[ion blaster]] to either of his shoulders.<ref name="diaclonecatalogs">[https://web.archive.org/web/20151017201739/http://1501bc.com/pretf/pictures/tfdiac6b.jpg Diaclone catalog scans] at 1501bc.com.</ref>
*The toy that would ultimately end up as the original Optimus Prime toy was originally released in August [[1983]] as No.17 Battle Convoy from Takara's Diaclone Car Robo toyline in Japan. In [[1984]], [[Joustra]] released their own version (still with ''Diaclone'' sticker on the trailer) as part of their Diaclone line in Europe, either simply called ''Truck'' (according to the pack-in catalog) or ''Diaclone'' (in the pack-in comic). It's possible that [[GiG]] also released a version called ''Camion Convoy'' as part of their ''[[Trasformer]]'' line in Italy, but to this day no packaged sample has surfaced.
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===The many releases of Optimus Prime===
[[File:SeveralG1Convoy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Too much Prime on my hands.]]
Over the years, the [[#The_Transformers|original Optimus Prime]] has been repackaged and reissued multiple times:

*In the US and Canada, limited edition promotional versions were available sporting Pepsi stickers; the Canadian version has large Pepsi stickers that cover the entire trailer, while the US version only has small Pepsi stickers that partially obscure the lines running across the trailer;
*In addition to the standard Japanese 01 Convoy release, Takara also released the toy as part of the [[#VSX|VSX Convoy vs. Megatron]] two-pack in [[1985]];
*Takara released a variant sporting clear blue windows and as part of the "[[#goodbye|Good Bye Convoy]]" set (packaged with [[Red Alert (G1)#Toys|Alert/Red Alert]] and [[Mirage (G1)#Toys|Ligier/Mirage]]) in [[1986]];
*Hasbro's subsidiary [[Milton Bradley]] (MB) released the toy in Europe in late 1985, following a slight delay due to licensing issues;<ref name="mbtfs">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/mb-transformers-part-5/ "The Jetfire vs Optimus Prime mixup"] at 20th Century Toy Collector</ref> there are no less than ''three'' variants of MB-packaged Optimus Prime, one of them manufactured by Takara and sporting blue feet, the other two manufactured by [[Joustra]] as part of a deal with Hasbro/MB, one of them with blue and the other one with red feet;<ref name="3mb">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/the-three-mb-optimus-primes/ "The Three MB Optimus Primes"] at 20th Century Toy Collector</ref>
*After Hasbro's European division had changed the packaging from "MB" to "Hasbro", the toy continued to be available in 1986, including more of the Joustra-manufactured red and blue feeted versions, which were apparently also available in the UK in English-only packaging;<ref name="3mb"/>
*[[GiG]] released the toy as ''Commander'' as part of their ''Transformers'' line in Italy in 1985, including an all-plastic variant in 1986;
*[[IGA]] released their version in Mexico in 1985; unsold stock was later imported to a plethora of European countries, including the UK, with Optimus Prime having the yellow paint scraped off his eyes and then having them painted over in red;
*Hasbro reissued the "Original Autobot Leader" toy as part of their European ''[[Classics (Europe)|Classics]]'' line of reissues in [[1991]];
*Hasbro released a [[#Generation_2|redecoed version with additional accessories]] as part of their [[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|''Generation 2'' line]] in [[1993]];
*Takara reissued the original toy in its original 1985 Japanese packaging in [[2000]], with an all-black recolor being available from assorted Japanese conventions and another variant with gold instead of silver parts, stickers, and paint as a [[Lucky Draw figure|lucky draw]] prize;
*Takara reissued the toy again as ''New Year Special'' version in January 2002, sporting clear blue windows (similar to Good Bye Convoy) and featuring additional accessories such as a Matrix necklace and a [[Show-accuracy|show accurate]] recolor of the Action Master Optimus Prime figure;
*Hasbro reissued the toy in the US and the UK as part of their ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Generation One Commemorative Series]]'' line of reissues in [[2002]], sporting shortened down smokestacks [[for safety reasons]];
*Takara reissued the toy once again in [[2003]], as part of their ''[[The Transformers Collection]]'' line of reissues, numbered 00 and featuring additional accessories such as an energon axe;
*Takara released a recolored version featuring a new trailer in December [[2005]], called ''[[Pepsi Convoy]]''.
*Hasbro released their own version of Pepsi Convoy, named "[[#PepsiPrime|Pepsi Optimus Prime]]", as a [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] exclusive in [[2007]], featuring the familiar [[For safety reasons|safety]]-shortened smokestacks of the Commemorative Series reissue.
*In August 2007 TakaraTomy yet again did a rerelease similar to the 2000 Convoy rerelease, this time as part of the "[[Transformers Encore]]" line. This version has a new rifle with a longer handle so Optimus can finally hold it straight.
*TakaraTomy released [http://seibertron.com/advertisement.php?id=8 "Convoy iPod Docking Bay with Speakers"] in September 2007. It is an iPod speaker/dock in the shape of a truck, featuring an all-white version of Convoy with a new head sculpt reminiscent of Masterpiece Convoy as the cab, and a trailer housing a pair of speakers and a docking point for an iPod.
*In March [[2008]], TakaraTomy released a G1-colored version of the iPod Convoy set.
*Hasbro released the ''25th Anniversary'' gift set edition detailed above in 2008, as part of the 2008 ''Universe'' line, once again with [[For safety reasons|shortened smokestacks]].
*TakaraTomy released another reissue based on the ''Encore'' version as part of their ''[[Transformers Chronicle|Chronicle]]'' line in 2011, lacking the original Generation 1 trailer. Instead, the ''Chronicle'' version was available in a two-pack with ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (toyline)|Dark of the Moon]]'' Deluxe Class [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys#Chronicle|Optimus Prime]] and a new trailer that could be used by both Optimuses, thanks to a retooled trailer hitch on the Generation 1 Optimus Prime figure.
*In 2012, Hasbro reissued Optimus Prime again for their Asian markets, this time mixing the 25th Anniversary version of the toy itself with the older ''Commemorative Series'' packaging.<ref name="25thcomm">[http://www.cybertron.ca/boards/showthread.php?t=44388 "Bad news RE: new Commemorative Prime"] at Cybertron.ca.</ref>
*In 2019, Optimus was rereleased once again, this time without his trailer and with his original long smokestacks (something he hasn't had in America since Generation 2), in Hasbro's Vintage G1 line of reissues exclusive to Walmart stores in US and Canada.
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===Powermaster Optimus Prime design history===
[[File:EarlyPMPrime1.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Overcompensating.]]
[[Powermaster]] Optimus Prime, being the grand toy rebirth of Optimus Prime post-movie, apparently received a lot of thought during the design process. Prime went through an inordinate number of design changes from concept to final with at least three very major revisions:

*The earliest version, as shown in the first patent application for the toy, was to have the Prime cab be a triplechanger, turning from truck cab to jet or robot.<ref>[http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880604&CC=JP&NR=S63132686A&KC=A Patent #JP63-132686]</ref> The nosecone of the jet and robot legs were released by the Powermaster lock in the same fashion as the legs in the final version. Optimus would have had winged arms in non-super [[robot mode]]. The super robot mode's head was also integrated into the trailer's hitch... and lacked a faceplate.

[[File:EarlyPMPrime2.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55|Blockhead.]]
*The second known version <ref>''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]'', p22, p106</ref> ditched the triplechanging gimmick on the cab and simplified things a good bit. This Powermaster Prime has several distinct characteristics only seen in the second design, such as the wider "block head" and two faux smokestacks on top of either shoulder as opposed to one. Also, in a rather odd twist, this design features a black head and fists for both super and regular modes rather than the traditional blue. It also had yellow eyes in either mode a la the original Optimus Prime.

[[File:EarlyPMPrime3.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55|''Triple-Power-Headmaster Optimus Prime'' was just too damn long to put on the box.]]
*The third version <ref>''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]'', p106</ref> would quite possibly have been the most gimmick loaded Transformer in the history of the line, simultaneously being a Powermaster, [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]], and [[Triple Changer]]. The Headmaster also would have been a Triple Changer, turning into a sort of armored four-wheeled rover (Roller II?) and robot as well as a rather silly looking Optimus Prime head with four vertically aligned wheels jutting off the sides. It seems that when the extra Headmaster gimmick was scrapped, the super mode head remained separate rather than being reintegrated into the trailer hitch such as on the earliest design. Notably, the body of this design is extremely close to the final design.
*A fourth version is shown in the 1987-88 Transformers product catalog that has several minor differences from both Powermaster Prime and [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]], such as having God Ginrai's sliding fists but in red, a completely different trailer hitch assembly partially based on the third design, an offset Autobot symbol in base mode, extended feet also based on third design, far more detailed super mode outer leg panels, completely different front bumper, and the first instance of single faux shoulder smokestacks rather than two. It is still unknown as to why Powermaster Prime has completely different arms from God Ginrai or all earlier concept versions.

Powermaster Prime's animation model as used in the commercials and as a character guide for the Marvel comics is a composite of the second and third designs. The body of the model is actually a straight tracing of the concept lineart for the third version (including its different rifles and twin faux shoulder stacks), with a slightly simplified drawing of the second version's head drawn on top.
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===Miscellaneous Primes===
[[File:Early Star Convoy Planning Stage.jpg‎|thumb|upright=1.1|I am the prototype of the toy of the future!]]
*''Return of Convoy'' catalogues reveal the planning process behind Star Convoy's evolution from gimmick-rich illustration to prototype before reaching final production.
[[File:PMHeroTrace.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Stealing purses across the ages.]]
*The pose used for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[#HeroOptimusPrime|Hero Optimus Prime]]'s [[package art]] is rather blatantly swiped from [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] [[Powermaster]] [[#PMOP|Optimus Prime]]'s package art.
*On a similar note, ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers|Machine Wars]]'' [[#Machine Wars|Optimus Prime]]'s package art is merely edited from ''Generation 2'' [[#LaserOptimusPrime|Laser Optimus Prime]]'s card art, keeping it mostly intact save for the removal of shoulder kibble and the addition of a non-windowed chestplate.
[[File:Optimus prime nokia 6820.JPG|left|thumb|125px|Wait...I'm sure this is from Finland. But why did [[Seymour Simmons|Simmons]] say...]]
*The Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy was featured in a print ad for [[Nokia]] {{w|Nokia 68xx series#Nokia 6820|6820}} phones in December 2004.<ref name="nokia">[http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/20th-anniversary-optimus-prime-featured-in-nokia-a/4374/ "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime Featured in Nokia Ad"]</ref> He is posed bent over to look at the phone and scratching his head. Pleasantly, ''most'' of the pose pictured is perfectly possible with an un-[[Customizing|kitbash]]ed, un-Photoshopped version of the toy. (The real toy can't bend forward at the waist like that, alas.)
*''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[#Classics (2006)|Optimus Prime]] was initially intended to be Deluxe-sized. An alleged list of the tentative ''Classics'' line-up<ref name="classicslineup">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/possible-transformers-classic-line-up-4336/ Rumor] about the ''Classics'' lineup that turned out to be spot on aside from Voyager [[Soundwave (G1)/toys|Soundwave]] and Deluxe Optimus Prime.</ref> included a Deluxe-sized Optimus Prime without a trailer and a version ''with'' a trailer at the Voyager [[size class|price point]]; however, it appears the decision was eventually made to upscale Optimus to Voyager size instead.<ref name="sage">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/cybertron-crosswise-redeco-and-transformers-classics-info-4683/ "Cybertron Crosswise Redeco and Transformers Classics Info"] (via [[Joe Kyde]]'s proxy "SAGE2764")</ref> Don Figueroa's [[control drawing]]s for the Deluxe version were leaked before the ''Classics'' line was even released at retail.<ref name="primecontrol">Leaked ''Classics'' Deluxe Optimus Prime control drawings: [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-design-sketch-4691/ Vehicle mode], [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/classics-11/transformers-classics-optimus-prime-robot-mode-design-sketches-4692/ robot mode]</ref> A gray model [[prototype]] was later shown as part of an interview with [[TakaraTomy]]'s staff in ''[[Transformers Generations 2009#Volume 1|Transformers Generations 2009 vol. 1]]''.<ref name="ttinterview">[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/general-articles-25/translated-version-of-the-takara-tomy-transformers-henkei--classics-staff-interview-167073/ Translated TakaraTomy Henkei/Classics staff interview]</ref> It's unclear whether the trailer ever made it past the early planning stage before the size of the figure was changed.
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[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] by [[Tsuyoshi Nonaka]] and [[Atsuhiko Sugita]] of [[Studio OX]].

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Copyright [[TakaraTomy]] and [[Studio OX]] 1986.

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Corrodia Gravis

2022-04-26T23:28:04Z

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[[File:Snarl corriodia gravis destiny of the dinobots.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|You rust, then you die... If you're lucky.]]
'''Corrodia Gravis''' condemns a Transformer to a slow, wasting death as [[rust]] consumes their body. Only a systems boost from a Transformer with a compatible constitution can stave off the degeneration. It is not clear whether this cures the disease, or merely slows it down.

The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]] is susceptible to Corrodia Gravis.

==Fiction==
===Earthforce===
At [[Earthforce]] [[Earthbase|base]], [[Wheeljack (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Wheeljack]] diagnosed [[Snarl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Snarl]] as suffering from Corrodia Gravis, and informed [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] that he would die unless a transfusion could be obtained from a compatible donor. Unfortunately, the only compatible Transformer was [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Assassins|Assassins}} The Dinobots, [[Prowl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Prowl]], and [[Ironhide (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ironhide]] travelled to the Louisiana swamps to secure Starscream's cooperation, only to find that he was under threat from the [[Mayhem Attack Squad]], [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]], and [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]. {{storylink|External Forces!|External Forces!}} Amazingly, the Autobots kicked ''all'' of their asses and in return Starscream agreed to help - for a price... {{storylink|The Lesser Evil!}}

In [[1992]], Snarl was at an advanced stage of Corrodia Gravis, and the other Dinobots brought him to the [[Savage Land]] in search of the [[Crystalline containment vessel|control crystal]] from the shuttle that they had left there millions of years ago when they came to stop Shockwave. They hoped to use it to store his brainwaves while they obtained a new body, only to find that it was being used to hold back a disease that was killing the resident [[Dinosaur (dinosaur)|dinosaurs]]. As a temporary solution, they used the crystal to transfer Snarl's mind into a stegosaurus until they could return with a replacement body. {{storylink|Destiny of the Dinobots!}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
Before the war, when [[Nominus Prime]] was injured by a suicide bomber, rumors quickly spread claiming the assailant had released Corrodia Gravis or another rusting agent into the air. [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] reported via the [[Iaconian Newsfeed Service]] that the [[Senate]] denied these rumors. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2}}

When [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]] came to him complaining about feeling "hollow", [[Fixit (G1)|Fixit]] suspected it was an early symptom of Corrodia Gravis. An examination revealed that this was not the case. {{storylink|Bullets}}

While serving aboard the ''[[Lost Light]]'', [[Ammo]] suffered from early onset Corrodia Gravis. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
The [[Hyperdrive (Turbomaster)|Hyperdrive]] of [[Primax 092.0 Beta]] died of Corrodia Gravis. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 16/7/2015}}

[[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle]] had a [[Placebotron 5000]] available for lease GUARANTEED to cure Corrodia Gravis, among other ills. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 3/10/2015}}

===''Of Masters and Mayhem''===
When [[Bluestreak (G1)|Bluestreak]] commissioned the [[Teklaan]]s to recreate [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s biosphere, Corrodia Gravis was among the viruses [[Cergo]] developed for reintroduction into the metallic environment. {{storylink|Lively Pursuit}}

==Notes==
*The name Corrodia Gravis is reminiscent of the real-life [[human]] auto-immune disease {{w|myasthenia gravis}}, which causes progressive muscular weakness and can be treated but not cured. This suggests that, unlike [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]], Corrodia Gravis is not caused by a pathogen but is instead an inherent condition. This would also explain the unusual lengths to which the Dinobots are forced to go in order to help Snarl.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Corrodia Gravis''' (コロディア・グレイビス ''Korodia Gureibisu'') 

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Diaclone

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[[File:Diaclone-GRB logo.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Di...a...cloooooooone!!!]]

'''''Diaclone''''' (ダイアクロン ''Daiakuron'') was one of two [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] toy lines (the other being ''[[Micro Change]]'') from which the earliest [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] ''Transformers'' toys came. ''Diaclone'' has proven perhaps the most enduring of the various [[pre-Transformer]] brands, subject to a variety of remixes and revivals both within the ''Transformers'' brand and without.

==Overview==
===Original toyline===
[[File:Diaclone Car Robots Illustration.jpg|upright=1.7|thumb|You thought [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|the cartoon]] made up the flying thing, didn't you.]]
The ''Diaclone'' toyline was first introduced in [[1980]] and its focus was on various different piloted robots that could transform into various sci-fi vehicles, bases and other things. However, in March [[1982]] that toys with [[alternate mode|alt mode]]s based on realistic, present-day vehicles that many Transformers are known for today began to appear as part of the "Car Robots" sub-line. The first one was the ''Diaclone'' predecessor of [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys|Sunstreaker]], whom [[Hasbro]] now considers the first fully-fledged transforming car-to-robot toy ever designed.<ref name="hof2010">[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-INAUGURAL-MEMBERS.cfm Hasbro press release for the 2010 Transformers Hall of Fame inductees]</ref> Its vehicle form was based on an older Takara toy, the "Cosmo Countach" from the ''[[Microman]]'' "Micro Command" sub-line released in 1978, which transformed into a half-robot, half-car hybrid.<ref name="command">[http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~mikuro/sub1-6.htm "Micro Command" toys, including the Cosmo Countach]</ref>

Before the [[Transformers brand]] was introduced, Takara directly exported some ''Diaclone'' toys to North America under the brand names ''[[Diakron]]'' and ''[[Kronoform]]'', but those lines met with very little success. French toy company ''[[Joustra]]'' also released various Diaclone figures in Europe under the original Japanese name (sporting unique box art), a few exclusive Revell model kits and even an accompanying mini-comic series, but these also faded into obscurity.

In [[1983]], [[Hasbro]] representatives discovered ''Diaclone'' and ''Microchange'' toys at the [[Tokyo Toy Show]], and soon struck a deal to create the ''Transformers'' brand.

The [[1984]] and [[1985]] [[Autobot Cars]], 1984 [[Decepticon Planes]], 1985 [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, 1985 [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s, "standard" [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], [[Trainbot]]s, [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]]s, [[Powerdasher]]s, [[Jumpstarter]]s, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], 1984 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Optimus Prime]], and [[1986]] [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Ultra Magnus]] toys all originated from ''Diaclone''. The reason why many of these toys feature opening cockpits, hatches, or seats is that ''Diaclone'' had presented them as lifeless mecha for small driver figures, which were no longer included in their ''Transformers'' incarnation.

When ''Transformers'' proved an unqualified success, plans for a 1985 ''Diaclone'' line were scrapped, and ''Transformers'' was imported to Japan in its place. These aborted toys, which would have been part of a sub-line called ''Jizai Gattai'' ("[[Free-Combination|Free Combination]]") were then incorporated into the ''Transformers'' toyline in 1986 as the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

===''Diaclone'' in ''Transformers''===
====TakaraTomy====
[[File:WFC-Kingdom Deluxe Road Rage.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|Everyone say "Thank you, Diaclone."]]
In 2002, TakaraTomy's [[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]] line branched out from straight-laced Generation 1 re-issues to something that would become a longstanding tradition of the ''Transformers'' brand: the plumbing of unused ''Diaclone'' decoes of ''Transformers'' molds to create new characters. Beginning with a two-pack of [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] and [[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]], this first generation of ''Diaclone'' refugees were roundabout one-to-one recreations of the original ''Diaclone'' toys exclusive to TakaraTomy's boutique retailer [[e-HOBBY]], using the already queued up Generation 1 molds. Each character received a whimsical bio from ascended superfan and all-around franchise renaissance man [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] casting them as "missing" Generation 1 characters in the style of franchise architect [[Bob Budiansky]]'s original character profiles.

This practice made the jump to the big leagues in 2013, when the big-budget ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' line built up enough ''Car Robots'' molds to begin fishing for [[redeco]]es, beginning with former mail-away exclusive ''Diaclone'' derivative [[Tigertrack]]. Things really kicked into gear two years later with the release of a [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#MP18B|blue ''Diaclone'' version of Bluestreak]], whose bio established a longstanding mystery plot as story elements from the ''Diaclone'' toyline's scant fiction began leaking into the world of the Transformers. This storyline reached a fever pitch with the release of ''Masterpiece'' [[Spin-Out (G1)|Spin-Out]] in 2020, whose bio ''textually'' identified him as a Diaclone mech brought to life as a Transformer by mysterious alien technology!
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====Hasbro====
[[File:C-81ripsBeet-ChitfromZaptrap-CMW.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|Insert your own Alien reference.]]
The return of Diaclone to Hasbro markets began with Hasbro's equivalent to e-HOBBY, [[Fun Publications]], finding their own use for ''Diaclone'' decoes as characters in their topsy turvy'' [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' franchise where the heroic Decepticons battled the evil forces of the Autobots, beginning in 2009 with ''Shattered Glass'' [[Ironhide (SG)|Ironhide]]. As Fun Publications' stories ballooned in scope in the years to come, it was revealed that the "[[Transcendent Technomorph]]s," impassive observers at the heart of the ''Transformers'' multiverse had charted out a distant [[universal stream|cluster of universes]] that they named "[[Cymond]]," wherein the settings of the various pre-''Transformers'' toylines, Diaclone included, were theoretically imported wholesale into Fun Publications' metafictional in-universe constellation of ''Transformers'' franchises.

Fun Publications put their money where their mouth was with "[[Cybertron's Most Wanted]]" the 2015 theme of [[BotCon]], Hasbro's official ''Transformers'' convention. This year's convention exclusive comic chronicled the incursion of ''Diaclone'''s [[Waruder]] antagonists straight into the TransTech homeworld of [[Axiom Nexus]] and the subsequent collaboration between ''Diaclone''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s heroic Dianaut pilots work with the inhabitants of Axiom Nexus to repel the Waruder invaders. Accordingly, BotCon 2015's grab bag of exclusive figures included redecoes of existing ''Transformers'' toys into the first toys of the original Waruder and [[Diaclone (faction)|Diaclone]] factions in nearly thirty years! Fun Publications continued to produce the odd bit of ''Diaclone'' fiction here and there right up until the very last day of their stewardship of the ''Transformers'' license in 2016, with the [[King Waruder]] included in their final batch of character profiles.
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====''Generations Selects''====
Following the realization of Hasbro and TakaraTomy's initiative to standardize the global presence of the ''Transformers'' brand in 2018, ''[[Generations Selects (franchise)|Generations Selects]]'', the exclusive-oriented arm of the the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' super-brand, picked up where e-HOBBY and Fun Publications left off. Since its inception ''Generations Selects'' has placed a noticeable focus on updates of pre-existing ''Diaclone''-inspired characters, as well as fresh ''Diaclone'' remixes of their own, albeit with [[DK-2 Guard|somewhat less elaborate characterizations]].
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===The return===
[[File:Diaclone Reboot Illustration.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|We're Back! A Diaclone Story]]
The ''Diaclone'' brand proper was revived by TakaraTomy in 2016 as a boutique property aimed at adult collectors with a strong focus on re-imaginings of toys from the original line. Proceeding more or less chronologically through ''Diaclone'' history, the first overlap with the ''Transformers'' brand came in 2019 with a wave centered around the Dashers, the ancestors of ''Transformers''' Powerdasher trio. In 2021, a new version of Battle Convoy, the toy that became Optimus Prime, was released. This was followed in short order with the announcement a new iteration of Powered Convoy, the ancestor of Ultra Magnus, to be released in 2022. Will this lead to more re-imaginings of ''Car Robots'' toys? And how does Takara's ''Masterpiece'' plotline fit in to all this? Only time will tell.
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==Toy range (incomplete)==
The following list covers all ''Diaclone'' releases that were later rereleased as ''Transformers'' toys. ''Diaclone'' molds with no ''Transformers'' releases are generally not listed as they fall outside the purview of this site.

===Baku-Ten Attack Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Jumpstarters.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
Released in the ''Transformers'' line as the [[Jumpstarter]]s.

* Drill Tank Type — Available in two decoes. Dark blue limbs with grey chest or dark blue limbs with red chest. (''Transformers'' releases [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]]/[[Salt-Man Z]]/[[Robot-Man Z]] all utilized completely new decoes)
* Jet Type — Available in two decoes. Dark blue chest with red limbs or dark blue chest with grey limbs. (''Transformers'' releases [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]]/[[Salt-Man X]]/[[Robot-Man X]] all utilized completely new decoes)
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===Car Robots===
[[File:Diaclone Car Robots.jpg|upright=4|thumb|Hey that truck guy looks familiar.]]

*No. 1 [[Spin-Out (G1)|Countach LP500S]] — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was changed to yellow for release as [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Toys|Sunstreaker]]. The red deco was used as inspiration for [[Spin-Out (G1)|Spin-Out]] and the red [[Sunstreaker clone]]s.
*No. 2 Onebox Cherry Vanette — The ''Diaclone'' black deco was changed to red for release as [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Toys|Ironhide]]. The original deco was later released as "[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#black|Ironhide Protect Black]]" and was used as inspiration for ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Ironhide (SG)|Ironhide]] and the [[DK-2 Guard]].
*No. 3 [[Cordon|Countach Patrol Car Type]] — Not released as a Transformer but later used as inspiration for [[Cordon]] and the white [[Sunstreaker clone]]s.
*No. 4 Onebox Ambulance Type — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Toys|Ratchet]].
*No. 5 4WD Hi-luxe — The ''Diaclone'' black deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Toys|Trailbreaker]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in blue and yellow decoes, the former of which was used as inspiration for ''Shattered Glass'' [[Trailbreaker (SG)|Trailbreaker]].
*No. 6 Honda City R — The ''Diaclone'' silver deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Crosscut (Autobot)#Toys|Crosscut]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in red, which was used as inspiration for [[Reboost]].
*No. 7 Fairlady Z — The ''Diaclone'' blue deco was changed to silver for release as [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Toys|Bluestreak]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a silver deco with a black hood that inspired Bluestreak's character model, and the blue deco was used as inspiration for multiple Bluestreak toys and [[Bluestreak (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Bluestreak]].
*No. 8 [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|4WD Wrecker Type]] — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was changed to green for release as [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Toys|Hoist]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in blue, and the red deco was used as inspiration for [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]] and ''Shattered Glass'' [[Hoist (SG)|Hoist]].
*No. 9 [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Honda City Turbo]] — The ''Diaclone'' blue deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Skids (G1)#Toys|Skids]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in black and red decos, the former of which was used as inspiration for [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out]] and ''Shattered Glass'' [[Skids (SG)|Skids]].
*No.10 Fire Engine — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Inferno (G1)/toys#Toys|Inferno]].
*No.11 Fairlady Z Racing Type — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Toys|Smokescreen]].
*No.12 J59 Jeep — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Hound (G1)/toys#Toys|Hound]].
*No.13 Police Car Fairlady Z — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Toys|Prowl]].
*No.14 Porsche 935 Turbo — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Toys|Jazz]].
*No.15 New Countach LP500S — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Toys|Sideswipe]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in black and yellow decoes, which were later released as [[Deep Cover#Toys|Deep Cover]] and [[Tigertrack#Toys|Tigertrack]] respectively.
*No.16 F-1 Ligier JS11 — The ''Diaclone'' blue deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Toys|Mirage]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a red deco.
*No.17 Battle Convoy — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Toys|Optimus Prime]].
*No.18 Lancia Stratos Turbo — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Toys|Wheeljack]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a different deco and head, which was used as inspiration for [[Exhaust]].
*No.19 New Countach Police Car — The ''Diaclone'' police deco was changed to a fire chief deco for release as [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Toys|Red Alert]]. The original deco was later released as [[Clampdown (G1)#Toys|Clampdown]].
*No.20 Truck Crane — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Grapple (G1)#Toys|Grapple]].
*No.21 Corvette Stingray — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was changed to blue for release as [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Toys|Tracks]]. The ''Diaclone'' red deco was released as Tracks in Europe and later as [[Road Rage (G1)#Toys|Road Rage]], and also inspired [[Tracks (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Tracks]]. The ''Diaclone'' version also received a Finnish exclusive black deco, which was used as inspiration for [[Loudpedal#Masterpiece|Loudpedal]] and the [[Black Tracks|Tracks clone]].

[[File:Diaclone Powered Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7]]

*Powered Convoy — The ''Diaclone'' deco was (more or less) reversed for release as [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Toys|Ultra Magnus]]. The original deco was later released as "[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#MoviePreview|Ultra Magnus Yokokuhen Version]]". The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a chrome deco. The "Powered Buggy" (パワードバギー) accessory was excised from all ''Transformers'' releases, though it did inspire the fiction-only character [[Delta Magnus#Notes|Powerdrive]]. The original ''Diaclone'' deco was used as inspiration for [[Delta Magnus]], [[Magna Convoy]], and ''Shattered Glass'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]].
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===Construction Vehicle Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Constructicons.jpg|upright=2|thumb]]
There were two ''Diaclone'' releases available. There were many coloring differences between the two but only the most obvious are listed below. All six received new green and purple decos for release in the ''Transformers'' line. The same molds were also released during ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' with the green changed to yellow and, later, orange. The [[combiner]] pieces were predominately blue in version one and red in version two.
*No. 1 Bulldozer — Orange in both versions. ([[Bonecrusher (G1)/toys#Toys|Bonecrusher]])
*No. 2 Power Shovel — Orange in both versions. ([[Scavenger (G1)/toys#Toys|Scavenger]])
*No. 3 Shovel-dozer — Orange in both versions. ([[Scrapper (G1)/toys#Toys|Scrapper]])
*No. 4 Truck Crane — Red in version one, blue in version two. ([[Hook (G1)/toys#Toys|Hook]])
*No. 5 Dump Truck — Red in both versions. ([[Long Haul (G1)/toys#Toys|Long Haul]])
*No. 6 Concrete Mixer — Red in version one, blue in version two. ([[Mixmaster (G1)/toys#Toys|Mixmaster]])
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===Dashers===
[[File:Diaclone Powerdashers.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb]]
The Dashers were released in ''Transformers'' as the [[Powerdasher]]s. They were only available via mail-order and [[Robot Point]]s, and did not even receive individual names until decades later.

*Sky Dasher — Also released under the name "Sky Robot" as a Revell model kit in Europe. ([[Cromar#Toys|Cromar]])
*Drill Dasher — Also released under the name ""Drill Robot" as a Revell model kit in Europe. ([[Zetar (G1)#Toys|Zetar]])
*F-1 Dasher — Also released under the name "F-1 Robot" as a Revell model kit in Europe. ([[Aragon#Toys|Aragon]])
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===Dinosaur Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Dinobots.jpg|thumb|upright=2|]]
The Dinosaur Robo molds became the [[Dinobot (G1)#Toys|Dinobots]] in ''Transformers''. Duh. All of the TF releases had softer plastic in certain places. There were also several differences in decoes between the ''Diaclone'' and ''Transformers'' versions, mostly the replacement of blue paint with red.

*Tyrannosaurus ([[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Toys|Grimlock]])
*Triceratops ([[Slag (G1)/toys#Toys|Slag]])
*Brontosaurus ([[Sludge (G1)#Toys|Sludge]])
*Stegosaurus ([[Snarl (G1)#Toys|Snarl]])
*Pteranodon ([[Swoop (G1)/toys#Toys|Swoop]], ''Diaclone'' deco inspired Swoop's animation model)
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===Double Changers===
[[File:Diaclone Omnibots.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb]]
The Double Changers were released as the [[Omnibot (G1)#Generation 1|Omnibots]], and like the Powerdashers, were only available via mail-order and Robot Points.

*Ferrari BB ([[Overdrive#Toys|Overdrive]])
*Savanna RX-7 ([[Camshaft (G1)#Toys|Camshaft]])
*Celica XX ([[Downshift (G1)#Toys|Downshift]])
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===F-15 Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Seekers.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
The F-15 Robo mold was the source for the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]. The black and purple deco used for [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Toys|Skywarp]] was created for the ''Transformers'' line, and was never available as a ''Diaclone''. The decoes and remolded wings for the [[Conehead]]s were also original to ''The Transformers''.

* Super-high-speed fighter type ([[Starscream (G1)/toys#Toys|Starscream]])
* Acrobat type ([[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Toys|Thundercracker]])
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===Insecter Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Insecticons.jpg|upright=0.8|thumb]]
In ''Diaclone'', these were mechs used by the [[Waruder]]s, the "bad guys" of that universe. In ''Transformers'' they were released as the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] with new purple, black, and yellow decoes. Much later, the ''Diaclone'' decoes were released as the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive [[Insecticon clone|Insecticon Clones]].

*Kabutron ([[Bombshell (G1)#Toys|Bombshell]]/[[Salvo (G1)#Toys|Salvo]])
*Battas ([[Kickback (G1)#Toys|Kickback]]/[[Shothole#Toys|Shothole]])
*[[Kuwagatrer]] ([[Shrapnel (G1)#Toys|Shrapnel]]/[[Zaptrap#Toys|Zaptrap]])
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===Train Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Trainbots.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb]]
The Train Robo molds were only released as Transformers in Japan during the ''[[Fight!_Super_Robot_Lifeform_Transformers_(franchise)#Transformers:_The_Headmasters|Headmasters]]'' franchise as [[Raiden]] and his individual components, the [[Trainbot]]s. There were two color variations released for the ''Diaclone'' line, making 12 individual trains total. Numbers 7-12 are much rarer and were never released as a giftset.

*No. 1 {{w|Tōkaidō Shinkansen|Tōkaidō}} {{w|0 Series Shinkansen}} ([[Shouki#Toys|Shouki]])
*No. 2 {{w|JNR Class EF65|EF65-1000}} {{w|Blue Train (Japan)|Blue Train}} ([[Getsuei#Toys|Getsuei]])
*No. 3 {{w|Tōhoku Shinkansen|Tōhoku}} {{w|Jōetsu Shinkansen|Jōetsu}} {{w|200 Series Shinkansen}} ([[Yukikaze (G1)#Toys|Yukikaze]])
*No. 4 {{w|Tōkaidō Main Line}} 153 Express Train ([[Suiken#Toys|Suiken]])
*No. 5 L-{{w|Limited express}} {{w|485 series|485}} ([[Seizan#Toys|Seizan]])
*No. 6 {{w|JNR Class DE10|DE10}} Diesel Locomotive ([[Kaen#Toys|Kaen]])
*No. 7 Tōkaidō 0 Series Shinkansen Metallic (Silver Liner)
*No. 8 Limited Express {{w|JNR Class ED76|EF76}} (Battle Liner)
*No. 9 {{w|Doctor Yellow|Doctor Yellow 922}} (Yellow Liner)
*No. 10 {{w|Yokosuka Line}} {{w|113 series|113}} (Miracle Liner)
*No. 11 {{w|Sleeping car|Sleeper Express}} {{w|583 series|583}} (Thunder Liner)
*No. 12 DE10 Diesel Locomotive Transparent (Crystal Liner)
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===Triplechangers===
[[File:Diaclone Overcharge and Rotorbolt.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb]]
Only the Jet Fighter Type [[Triple Changer]] was ever released in the ''Transformers'' line, but the Helicopter Type later inspired three fiction-only characters. [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Toys|Astrotrain]] and [[Octane#Toys|Octane]] may have been in development when the change to the ''Transformers'' brand occurred.

*No. 1 Jet Fighter Type — The ''Diaclone'' dark green and white deco was changed to purple and beige for release as [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Toys|Blitzwing]]. The original deco was later released as [[Overcharge (G1)#Toys|Overcharge]].
*No. 2 Helicopter Type — Not released as a Transformer, but used as inspiration for the fiction-only characters [[Rotorbolt (Timelines)|Rotorbolt]], [[Skyklik]], and [[Fumes]].
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===Early ''Diaclone''===
[[File:Exarchon vs Dia Attacker.jpg|thumb|250px|right|]]
A handful of more fantastical toys from ''Diaclone's'' early years passed over for the ''Transformers'' toyline have inspired fiction-only characters, mostly in the form of background easter eggs.
*Dia-Attacker — Used as inspiration for the original form of [[Exarchon]], arch-villain of the [[2019 IDW continuity|2019-2022 IDW comics]].
*Dia-Battles — Used as inspiration for [[Stormbringer]].
**DA-01 Dia Battles V2 — itself inspired by the original Dia-Battles, this toy from the 2016 ''Diaclone'' reboot was used as inspiration for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Magmatron#Beast Wars: Uprising|Magmatron]].
*Dianauts — The heroic human pilot minifigures packaged with various Diaclone mecha were used as inspiration for the subtly named toy characters [[Dia]], [[Cline]], and [[Diac]], as well as the fiction-only character [[Chifumi Takahashi]].
*Fortress X — Used as inspiration for, ah, [[Fortress X]].
*Guts Blocker — Used as inspiration for an [[Guts Blocker Autobot|unnamed background comic character]].
*Warudaros — Used as inspiration for the [[Storm Rider]] toy, which was itself then [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[King Waruder]], a riff on the ''Diaclone'' character "''Emperor'' Waruder." We've come full circle or something.
*Waruder pilots — The insectoid opposite number of the heroic Diaclone pilots packed with the Insector Robo, Warudaros, and others, these minifigures were used as inspiration for the [[Beet-Chit]], [[Ripper (Diaclone)|Ripper]], [[Thrasher (Diaclone)|Thrasher]], [[Crusher (Diaclone)|Crusher]], and [[Buzzer (Diaclone)|Buzzer]] toys, as well as their leader, a Thrasher repurpose named [[King Waruder|Daros]].

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==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Wyatt Toys]] advertised ''Diaclone'' and ''[[Microman]]'' toys for sale in the [[Detroit Powell Press]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}}
===''Transtech''===
{{stub|{{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}} {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}} {{storylink|Axiom Nexus News}} {{storylink|King Waruder#Timelines|King Waruder profile}}}}
===''Masterpiece'' toy bios===
{{stub|{{storylink|Spin-Out (G1)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Spin-out bio}} {{storylink|Bluestreak (G1)/toys#MP18B|''Masterpiece'' Bluestreak bio}}}}

==Notes==
*''Diaclone'' is a portmanteau of "diamond" and "cyclone": "strong as a diamond, fast as a cyclone".
*Designs from ''Diaclone'' were plagiarized for the Korean animated movie ''Diatron 5'' (다이아트론5), which for a time haunted [[Walmart]] dollar bins as ''[http://www.amazon.com/SPACE-TRANSFORMERS/dp/B000FHDNZW Space Transformers]''.
*Like ''Transformers'' after it, ''Diaclone'' was also released in other countries, in some cases licensed to other companies:
**Takara themselves had a short run in the U.S. market under the name ''[[Diakron]]'', featuring three toys that were later released as ''Transformers'' in different colors.
**Italian company [[GiG]] initially released toys under the name ''Diaclone'', but soon changed it to ''[[Trasformer]]'' {{sic}}. Whether GiG was copying Hasbro or the other way round is unclear; however, ''Trasformer'' did feature a blend of ''Diaclone'' toys and elements original to Hasbro's ''Transformers'' line, possibly due to production reasons.
**French company [[Joustra]] released the toys under the name ''Diaclone'' in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany, featuring a blend of ''[[Micro Change]]'' and ''Diaclone'' toys with unique packaging designs and origin stories, but eventually sporting factory-applied [[Autobot]] or [[Decepticon]] [[insignia|stickers]], also due to production reasons.
**Takara themselves released toys in Finland under the name ''Diaclone'', sharing elements of the packaging design with GiG's ''Trasformer'' line. This release is notable for a unique black version of the Corvette Stingray (pre-[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]).
*General Motors stopped using the "Stingray" name after the 1976 model year. Though the Corvette mold is obviously a 1980 to 1982 model year, Takara incorrectly called it a Stingray.

==See also==
* [[Pre-Transformer]]s
* [[Diakron]]
* [[Kronoform]]
* [[Micro Change]]
* [[Trasformer]]
* [[Cymond]]

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.diaclone.net Diaclone.Net]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20180430074512/http://1501bc.com/pretf/pretf.html ''Diaclone''] at the Pre-Transformers Page
* [https://www.transformerland.com/wiki/diaclone/ Diaclone® Action Figure Collectors' Guide] At Transformersland

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Diaclone

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[[File:Diaclone-GRB logo.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Di...a...cloooooooone!!!]]

'''''Diaclone''''' (ダイアクロン ''Daiakuron'') was one of two [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] toy lines (the other being ''[[Micro Change]]'') from which the earliest [[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]] ''Transformers'' toys came. ''Diaclone'' has proven perhaps the most enduring of the various [[pre-Transformer]] brands, subject to a variety of remixes and revivals both within the ''Transformers'' brand and without.

==Overview==
===Original toyline===
[[File:Diaclone Car Robots Illustration.jpg|upright=1.7|thumb|You thought [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|the cartoon]] made up the flying thing, didn't you.]]
The ''Diaclone'' toyline was first introduced in [[1980] and its focus was on various different piloted robots that could transform into various sci-fi vehicles, bases and other things. However, in March [[1982]] that toys with [[alternate mode|alt mode]]s based on realistic, present-day vehicles that many Transformers are known for today began to appear as part of the "Car Robots" sub-line. The first one was the ''Diaclone'' predecessor of [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys|Sunstreaker]], whom [[Hasbro]] now considers the first fully-fledged transforming car-to-robot toy ever designed.<ref name="hof2010">[http://www.hasbro.com/transformers/en_US/discover/movie-news/TRANSFORMERS-HALL-OF-FAME-INAUGURAL-MEMBERS.cfm Hasbro press release for the 2010 Transformers Hall of Fame inductees]</ref> Its vehicle form was based on an older Takara toy, the "Cosmo Countach" from the ''[[Microman]]'' "Micro Command" sub-line released in 1978, which transformed into a half-robot, half-car hybrid.<ref name="command">[http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~mikuro/sub1-6.htm "Micro Command" toys, including the Cosmo Countach]</ref>

Before the [[Transformers brand]] was introduced, Takara directly exported some ''Diaclone'' toys to North America under the brand names ''[[Diakron]]'' and ''[[Kronoform]]'', but those lines met with very little success. French toy company ''[[Joustra]]'' also released various Diaclone figures in Europe under the original Japanese name (sporting unique box art), a few exclusive Revell model kits and even an accompanying mini-comic series, but these also faded into obscurity.

In [[1983]], [[Hasbro]] representatives discovered ''Diaclone'' and ''Microchange'' toys at the [[Tokyo Toy Show]], and soon struck a deal to create the ''Transformers'' brand.

The [[1984]] and [[1985]] [[Autobot Cars]], 1984 [[Decepticon Planes]], 1985 [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s, 1985 [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]]s, "standard" [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], [[Trainbot]]s, [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibot]]s, [[Powerdasher]]s, [[Jumpstarter]]s, [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], 1984 [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Optimus Prime]], and [[1986]] [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Ultra Magnus]] toys all originated from ''Diaclone''. The reason why many of these toys feature opening cockpits, hatches, or seats is that ''Diaclone'' had presented them as lifeless mecha for small driver figures, which were no longer included in their ''Transformers'' incarnation.

When ''Transformers'' proved an unqualified success, plans for a 1985 ''Diaclone'' line were scrapped, and ''Transformers'' was imported to Japan in its place. These aborted toys, which would have been part of a sub-line called ''Jizai Gattai'' ("[[Free-Combination|Free Combination]]") were then incorporated into the ''Transformers'' toyline in 1986 as the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]], [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]].

===''Diaclone'' in ''Transformers''===
====TakaraTomy====
[[File:WFC-Kingdom Deluxe Road Rage.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|Everyone say "Thank you, Diaclone."]]
In 2002, TakaraTomy's [[The Transformers: Collector's Edition|Collector's Edition]] line branched out from straight-laced Generation 1 re-issues to something that would become a longstanding tradition of the ''Transformers'' brand: the plumbing of unused ''Diaclone'' decoes of ''Transformers'' molds to create new characters. Beginning with a two-pack of [[Crosscut (Autobot)|Crosscut]] and [[Road Rage (G1)|Road Rage]], this first generation of ''Diaclone'' refugees were roundabout one-to-one recreations of the original ''Diaclone'' toys exclusive to TakaraTomy's boutique retailer [[e-HOBBY]], using the already queued up Generation 1 molds. Each character received a whimsical bio from ascended superfan and all-around franchise renaissance man [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] casting them as "missing" Generation 1 characters in the style of franchise architect [[Bob Budiansky]]'s original character profiles.

This practice made the jump to the big leagues in 2013, when the big-budget ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' line built up enough ''Car Robots'' molds to begin fishing for [[redeco]]es, beginning with former mail-away exclusive ''Diaclone'' derivative [[Tigertrack]]. Things really kicked into gear two years later with the release of a [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#MP18B|blue ''Diaclone'' version of Bluestreak]], whose bio established a longstanding mystery plot as story elements from the ''Diaclone'' toyline's scant fiction began leaking into the world of the Transformers. This storyline reached a fever pitch with the release of ''Masterpiece'' [[Spin-Out (G1)|Spin-Out]] in 2020, whose bio ''textually'' identified him as a Diaclone mech brought to life as a Transformer by mysterious alien technology!
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====Hasbro====
[[File:C-81ripsBeet-ChitfromZaptrap-CMW.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|Insert your own Alien reference.]]
The return of Diaclone to Hasbro markets began with Hasbro's equivalent to e-HOBBY, [[Fun Publications]], finding their own use for ''Diaclone'' decoes as characters in their topsy turvy'' [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' franchise where the heroic Decepticons battled the evil forces of the Autobots, beginning in 2009 with ''Shattered Glass'' [[Ironhide (SG)|Ironhide]]. As Fun Publications' stories ballooned in scope in the years to come, it was revealed that the "[[Transcendent Technomorph]]s," impassive observers at the heart of the ''Transformers'' multiverse had charted out a distant [[universal stream|cluster of universes]] that they named "[[Cymond]]," wherein the settings of the various pre-''Transformers'' toylines, Diaclone included, were theoretically imported wholesale into Fun Publications' metafictional in-universe constellation of ''Transformers'' franchises.

Fun Publications put their money where their mouth was with "[[Cybertron's Most Wanted]]" the 2015 theme of [[BotCon]], Hasbro's official ''Transformers'' convention. This year's convention exclusive comic chronicled the incursion of ''Diaclone'''s [[Waruder]] antagonists straight into the TransTech homeworld of [[Axiom Nexus]] and the subsequent collaboration between ''Diaclone''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s heroic Dianaut pilots work with the inhabitants of Axiom Nexus to repel the Waruder invaders. Accordingly, BotCon 2015's grab bag of exclusive figures included redecoes of existing ''Transformers'' toys into the first toys of the original Waruder and [[Diaclone (faction)|Diaclone]] factions in nearly thirty years! Fun Publications continued to produce the odd bit of ''Diaclone'' fiction here and there right up until the very last day of their stewardship of the ''Transformers'' license in 2016, with the [[King Waruder]] included in their final batch of character profiles.
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====''Generations Selects''====
Following the realization of Hasbro and TakaraTomy's initiative to standardize the global presence of the ''Transformers'' brand in 2018, ''[[Generations Selects (franchise)|Generations Selects]]'', the exclusive-oriented arm of the the ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' super-brand, picked up where e-HOBBY and Fun Publications left off. Since its inception ''Generations Selects'' has placed a noticeable focus on updates of pre-existing ''Diaclone''-inspired characters, as well as fresh ''Diaclone'' remixes of their own, albeit with [[DK-2 Guard|somewhat less elaborate characterizations]].
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===The return===
[[File:Diaclone Reboot Illustration.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|We're Back! A Diaclone Story]]
The ''Diaclone'' brand proper was revived by TakaraTomy in 2016 as a boutique property aimed at adult collectors with a strong focus on re-imaginings of toys from the original line. Proceeding more or less chronologically through ''Diaclone'' history, the first overlap with the ''Transformers'' brand came in 2019 with a wave centered around the Dashers, the ancestors of ''Transformers''' Powerdasher trio. In 2021, a new version of Battle Convoy, the toy that became Optimus Prime, was released. This was followed in short order with the announcement a new iteration of Powered Convoy, the ancestor of Ultra Magnus, to be released in 2022. Will this lead to more re-imaginings of ''Car Robots'' toys? And how does Takara's ''Masterpiece'' plotline fit in to all this? Only time will tell.
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==Toy range (incomplete)==
The following list covers all ''Diaclone'' releases that were later rereleased as ''Transformers'' toys. ''Diaclone'' molds with no ''Transformers'' releases are generally not listed as they fall outside the purview of this site.

===Baku-Ten Attack Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Jumpstarters.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
Released in the ''Transformers'' line as the [[Jumpstarter]]s.

* Drill Tank Type — Available in two decoes. Dark blue limbs with grey chest or dark blue limbs with red chest. (''Transformers'' releases [[Twin Twist (G1)|Twin Twist]]/[[Salt-Man Z]]/[[Robot-Man Z]] all utilized completely new decoes)
* Jet Type — Available in two decoes. Dark blue chest with red limbs or dark blue chest with grey limbs. (''Transformers'' releases [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]]/[[Salt-Man X]]/[[Robot-Man X]] all utilized completely new decoes)
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===Car Robots===
[[File:Diaclone Car Robots.jpg|upright=4|thumb|Hey that truck guy looks familiar.]]

*No. 1 [[Spin-Out (G1)|Countach LP500S]] — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was changed to yellow for release as [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Toys|Sunstreaker]]. The red deco was used as inspiration for [[Spin-Out (G1)|Spin-Out]] and the red [[Sunstreaker clone]]s.
*No. 2 Onebox Cherry Vanette — The ''Diaclone'' black deco was changed to red for release as [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Toys|Ironhide]]. The original deco was later released as "[[Ironhide (G1)/toys#black|Ironhide Protect Black]]" and was used as inspiration for ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (franchise)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Ironhide (SG)|Ironhide]] and the [[DK-2 Guard]].
*No. 3 [[Cordon|Countach Patrol Car Type]] — Not released as a Transformer but later used as inspiration for [[Cordon]] and the white [[Sunstreaker clone]]s.
*No. 4 Onebox Ambulance Type — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Toys|Ratchet]].
*No. 5 4WD Hi-luxe — The ''Diaclone'' black deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Trailbreaker (G1)/toys#Toys|Trailbreaker]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in blue and yellow decoes, the former of which was used as inspiration for ''Shattered Glass'' [[Trailbreaker (SG)|Trailbreaker]].
*No. 6 Honda City R — The ''Diaclone'' silver deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Crosscut (Autobot)#Toys|Crosscut]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in red, which was used as inspiration for [[Reboost]].
*No. 7 Fairlady Z — The ''Diaclone'' blue deco was changed to silver for release as [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Toys|Bluestreak]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a silver deco with a black hood that inspired Bluestreak's character model, and the blue deco was used as inspiration for multiple Bluestreak toys and [[Bluestreak (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Bluestreak]].
*No. 8 [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|4WD Wrecker Type]] — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was changed to green for release as [[Hoist (G1)/toys#Toys|Hoist]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in blue, and the red deco was used as inspiration for [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]] and ''Shattered Glass'' [[Hoist (SG)|Hoist]].
*No. 9 [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Honda City Turbo]] — The ''Diaclone'' blue deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Skids (G1)#Toys|Skids]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in black and red decos, the former of which was used as inspiration for [[Burn Out (Diaclone)|Burn Out]] and ''Shattered Glass'' [[Skids (SG)|Skids]].
*No.10 Fire Engine — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Inferno (G1)/toys#Toys|Inferno]].
*No.11 Fairlady Z Racing Type — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Toys|Smokescreen]].
*No.12 J59 Jeep — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Hound (G1)/toys#Toys|Hound]].
*No.13 Police Car Fairlady Z — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Toys|Prowl]].
*No.14 Porsche 935 Turbo — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Toys|Jazz]].
*No.15 New Countach LP500S — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Toys|Sideswipe]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in black and yellow decoes, which were later released as [[Deep Cover#Toys|Deep Cover]] and [[Tigertrack#Toys|Tigertrack]] respectively.
*No.16 F-1 Ligier JS11 — The ''Diaclone'' blue deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Toys|Mirage]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a red deco.
*No.17 Battle Convoy — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Toys|Optimus Prime]].
*No.18 Lancia Stratos Turbo — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Toys|Wheeljack]]. The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a different deco and head, which was used as inspiration for [[Exhaust]].
*No.19 New Countach Police Car — The ''Diaclone'' police deco was changed to a fire chief deco for release as [[Red Alert (G1)/toys#Toys|Red Alert]]. The original deco was later released as [[Clampdown (G1)#Toys|Clampdown]].
*No.20 Truck Crane — The ''Diaclone'' deco was virtually unchanged for release as [[Grapple (G1)#Toys|Grapple]].
*No.21 Corvette Stingray — The ''Diaclone'' red deco was changed to blue for release as [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Toys|Tracks]]. The ''Diaclone'' red deco was released as Tracks in Europe and later as [[Road Rage (G1)#Toys|Road Rage]], and also inspired [[Tracks (SG)|''Shattered Glass'' Tracks]]. The ''Diaclone'' version also received a Finnish exclusive black deco, which was used as inspiration for [[Loudpedal#Masterpiece|Loudpedal]] and the [[Black Tracks|Tracks clone]].

[[File:Diaclone Powered Convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7]]

*Powered Convoy — The ''Diaclone'' deco was (more or less) reversed for release as [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Toys|Ultra Magnus]]. The original deco was later released as "[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#MoviePreview|Ultra Magnus Yokokuhen Version]]". The ''Diaclone'' version was also available in a chrome deco. The "Powered Buggy" (パワードバギー) accessory was excised from all ''Transformers'' releases, though it did inspire the fiction-only character [[Delta Magnus#Notes|Powerdrive]]. The original ''Diaclone'' deco was used as inspiration for [[Delta Magnus]], [[Magna Convoy]], and ''Shattered Glass'' [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|Ultra Magnus]].
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===Construction Vehicle Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Constructicons.jpg|upright=2|thumb]]
There were two ''Diaclone'' releases available. There were many coloring differences between the two but only the most obvious are listed below. All six received new green and purple decos for release in the ''Transformers'' line. The same molds were also released during ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' with the green changed to yellow and, later, orange. The [[combiner]] pieces were predominately blue in version one and red in version two.
*No. 1 Bulldozer — Orange in both versions. ([[Bonecrusher (G1)/toys#Toys|Bonecrusher]])
*No. 2 Power Shovel — Orange in both versions. ([[Scavenger (G1)/toys#Toys|Scavenger]])
*No. 3 Shovel-dozer — Orange in both versions. ([[Scrapper (G1)/toys#Toys|Scrapper]])
*No. 4 Truck Crane — Red in version one, blue in version two. ([[Hook (G1)/toys#Toys|Hook]])
*No. 5 Dump Truck — Red in both versions. ([[Long Haul (G1)/toys#Toys|Long Haul]])
*No. 6 Concrete Mixer — Red in version one, blue in version two. ([[Mixmaster (G1)/toys#Toys|Mixmaster]])
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===Dashers===
[[File:Diaclone Powerdashers.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb]]
The Dashers were released in ''Transformers'' as the [[Powerdasher]]s. They were only available via mail-order and [[Robot Point]]s, and did not even receive individual names until decades later.

*Sky Dasher — Also released under the name "Sky Robot" as a Revell model kit in Europe. ([[Cromar#Toys|Cromar]])
*Drill Dasher — Also released under the name ""Drill Robot" as a Revell model kit in Europe. ([[Zetar (G1)#Toys|Zetar]])
*F-1 Dasher — Also released under the name "F-1 Robot" as a Revell model kit in Europe. ([[Aragon#Toys|Aragon]])
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===Dinosaur Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Dinobots.jpg|thumb|upright=2|]]
The Dinosaur Robo molds became the [[Dinobot (G1)#Toys|Dinobots]] in ''Transformers''. Duh. All of the TF releases had softer plastic in certain places. There were also several differences in decoes between the ''Diaclone'' and ''Transformers'' versions, mostly the replacement of blue paint with red.

*Tyrannosaurus ([[Grimlock (G1)/toys#Toys|Grimlock]])
*Triceratops ([[Slag (G1)/toys#Toys|Slag]])
*Brontosaurus ([[Sludge (G1)#Toys|Sludge]])
*Stegosaurus ([[Snarl (G1)#Toys|Snarl]])
*Pteranodon ([[Swoop (G1)/toys#Toys|Swoop]], ''Diaclone'' deco inspired Swoop's animation model)
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===Double Changers===
[[File:Diaclone Omnibots.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb]]
The Double Changers were released as the [[Omnibot (G1)#Generation 1|Omnibots]], and like the Powerdashers, were only available via mail-order and Robot Points.

*Ferrari BB ([[Overdrive#Toys|Overdrive]])
*Savanna RX-7 ([[Camshaft (G1)#Toys|Camshaft]])
*Celica XX ([[Downshift (G1)#Toys|Downshift]])
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===F-15 Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Seekers.jpg|upright=1|thumb]]
The F-15 Robo mold was the source for the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]]. The black and purple deco used for [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Toys|Skywarp]] was created for the ''Transformers'' line, and was never available as a ''Diaclone''. The decoes and remolded wings for the [[Conehead]]s were also original to ''The Transformers''.

* Super-high-speed fighter type ([[Starscream (G1)/toys#Toys|Starscream]])
* Acrobat type ([[Thundercracker (G1)/toys#Toys|Thundercracker]])
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===Insecter Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Insecticons.jpg|upright=0.8|thumb]]
In ''Diaclone'', these were mechs used by the [[Waruder]]s, the "bad guys" of that universe. In ''Transformers'' they were released as the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]] with new purple, black, and yellow decoes. Much later, the ''Diaclone'' decoes were released as the [[e-HOBBY]] exclusive [[Insecticon clone|Insecticon Clones]].

*Kabutron ([[Bombshell (G1)#Toys|Bombshell]]/[[Salvo (G1)#Toys|Salvo]])
*Battas ([[Kickback (G1)#Toys|Kickback]]/[[Shothole#Toys|Shothole]])
*[[Kuwagatrer]] ([[Shrapnel (G1)#Toys|Shrapnel]]/[[Zaptrap#Toys|Zaptrap]])
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===Train Robo===
[[File:Diaclone Trainbots.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb]]
The Train Robo molds were only released as Transformers in Japan during the ''[[Fight!_Super_Robot_Lifeform_Transformers_(franchise)#Transformers:_The_Headmasters|Headmasters]]'' franchise as [[Raiden]] and his individual components, the [[Trainbot]]s. There were two color variations released for the ''Diaclone'' line, making 12 individual trains total. Numbers 7-12 are much rarer and were never released as a giftset.

*No. 1 {{w|Tōkaidō Shinkansen|Tōkaidō}} {{w|0 Series Shinkansen}} ([[Shouki#Toys|Shouki]])
*No. 2 {{w|JNR Class EF65|EF65-1000}} {{w|Blue Train (Japan)|Blue Train}} ([[Getsuei#Toys|Getsuei]])
*No. 3 {{w|Tōhoku Shinkansen|Tōhoku}} {{w|Jōetsu Shinkansen|Jōetsu}} {{w|200 Series Shinkansen}} ([[Yukikaze (G1)#Toys|Yukikaze]])
*No. 4 {{w|Tōkaidō Main Line}} 153 Express Train ([[Suiken#Toys|Suiken]])
*No. 5 L-{{w|Limited express}} {{w|485 series|485}} ([[Seizan#Toys|Seizan]])
*No. 6 {{w|JNR Class DE10|DE10}} Diesel Locomotive ([[Kaen#Toys|Kaen]])
*No. 7 Tōkaidō 0 Series Shinkansen Metallic (Silver Liner)
*No. 8 Limited Express {{w|JNR Class ED76|EF76}} (Battle Liner)
*No. 9 {{w|Doctor Yellow|Doctor Yellow 922}} (Yellow Liner)
*No. 10 {{w|Yokosuka Line}} {{w|113 series|113}} (Miracle Liner)
*No. 11 {{w|Sleeping car|Sleeper Express}} {{w|583 series|583}} (Thunder Liner)
*No. 12 DE10 Diesel Locomotive Transparent (Crystal Liner)
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===Triplechangers===
[[File:Diaclone Overcharge and Rotorbolt.jpg|upright=1.6|thumb]]
Only the Jet Fighter Type [[Triple Changer]] was ever released in the ''Transformers'' line, but the Helicopter Type later inspired three fiction-only characters. [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Toys|Astrotrain]] and [[Octane#Toys|Octane]] may have been in development when the change to the ''Transformers'' brand occurred.

*No. 1 Jet Fighter Type — The ''Diaclone'' dark green and white deco was changed to purple and beige for release as [[Blitzwing (G1)/toys#Toys|Blitzwing]]. The original deco was later released as [[Overcharge (G1)#Toys|Overcharge]].
*No. 2 Helicopter Type — Not released as a Transformer, but used as inspiration for the fiction-only characters [[Rotorbolt (Timelines)|Rotorbolt]], [[Skyklik]], and [[Fumes]].
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===Early ''Diaclone''===
[[File:Exarchon vs Dia Attacker.jpg|thumb|250px|right|]]
A handful of more fantastical toys from ''Diaclone's'' early years passed over for the ''Transformers'' toyline have inspired fiction-only characters, mostly in the form of background easter eggs.
*Dia-Attacker — Used as inspiration for the original form of [[Exarchon]], arch-villain of the [[2019 IDW continuity|2019-2022 IDW comics]].
*Dia-Battles — Used as inspiration for [[Stormbringer]].
**DA-01 Dia Battles V2 — itself inspired by the original Dia-Battles, this toy from the 2016 ''Diaclone'' reboot was used as inspiration for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Magmatron#Beast Wars: Uprising|Magmatron]].
*Dianauts — The heroic human pilot minifigures packaged with various Diaclone mecha were used as inspiration for the subtly named toy characters [[Dia]], [[Cline]], and [[Diac]], as well as the fiction-only character [[Chifumi Takahashi]].
*Fortress X — Used as inspiration for, ah, [[Fortress X]].
*Guts Blocker — Used as inspiration for an [[Guts Blocker Autobot|unnamed background comic character]].
*Warudaros — Used as inspiration for the [[Storm Rider]] toy, which was itself then [[Repurposing|repurposed]] as [[King Waruder]], a riff on the ''Diaclone'' character "''Emperor'' Waruder." We've come full circle or something.
*Waruder pilots — The insectoid opposite number of the heroic Diaclone pilots packed with the Insector Robo, Warudaros, and others, these minifigures were used as inspiration for the [[Beet-Chit]], [[Ripper (Diaclone)|Ripper]], [[Thrasher (Diaclone)|Thrasher]], [[Crusher (Diaclone)|Crusher]], and [[Buzzer (Diaclone)|Buzzer]] toys, as well as their leader, a Thrasher repurpose named [[King Waruder|Daros]].

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==Fiction==
===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Wyatt Toys]] advertised ''Diaclone'' and ''[[Microman]]'' toys for sale in the [[Detroit Powell Press]]. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}}
===''Transtech''===
{{stub|{{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}} {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}} {{storylink|Axiom Nexus News}} {{storylink|King Waruder#Timelines|King Waruder profile}}}}
===''Masterpiece'' toy bios===
{{stub|{{storylink|Spin-Out (G1)#Masterpiece|''Masterpiece'' Spin-out bio}} {{storylink|Bluestreak (G1)/toys#MP18B|''Masterpiece'' Bluestreak bio}}}}

==Notes==
*''Diaclone'' is a portmanteau of "diamond" and "cyclone": "strong as a diamond, fast as a cyclone".
*Designs from ''Diaclone'' were plagiarized for the Korean animated movie ''Diatron 5'' (다이아트론5), which for a time haunted [[Walmart]] dollar bins as ''[http://www.amazon.com/SPACE-TRANSFORMERS/dp/B000FHDNZW Space Transformers]''.
*Like ''Transformers'' after it, ''Diaclone'' was also released in other countries, in some cases licensed to other companies:
**Takara themselves had a short run in the U.S. market under the name ''[[Diakron]]'', featuring three toys that were later released as ''Transformers'' in different colors.
**Italian company [[GiG]] initially released toys under the name ''Diaclone'', but soon changed it to ''[[Trasformer]]'' {{sic}}. Whether GiG was copying Hasbro or the other way round is unclear; however, ''Trasformer'' did feature a blend of ''Diaclone'' toys and elements original to Hasbro's ''Transformers'' line, possibly due to production reasons.
**French company [[Joustra]] released the toys under the name ''Diaclone'' in France, Belgium, the Netherlands, and Germany, featuring a blend of ''[[Micro Change]]'' and ''Diaclone'' toys with unique packaging designs and origin stories, but eventually sporting factory-applied [[Autobot]] or [[Decepticon]] [[insignia|stickers]], also due to production reasons.
**Takara themselves released toys in Finland under the name ''Diaclone'', sharing elements of the packaging design with GiG's ''Trasformer'' line. This release is notable for a unique black version of the Corvette Stingray (pre-[[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]).
*General Motors stopped using the "Stingray" name after the 1976 model year. Though the Corvette mold is obviously a 1980 to 1982 model year, Takara incorrectly called it a Stingray.

==See also==
* [[Pre-Transformer]]s
* [[Diakron]]
* [[Kronoform]]
* [[Micro Change]]
* [[Trasformer]]
* [[Cymond]]

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [http://www.diaclone.net Diaclone.Net]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20180430074512/http://1501bc.com/pretf/pretf.html ''Diaclone''] at the Pre-Transformers Page
* [https://www.transformerland.com/wiki/diaclone/ Diaclone® Action Figure Collectors' Guide] At Transformersland

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Fan polls

2022-04-16T18:08:33Z

VidaEeviee:

Starting in [[2013]], nearly-annual polls have been run by [[Hasbro]] or [[TakaraTomy]] for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Thus far, 10 polls have been held. The first, Hasbro-initiated two were '''Fan Built Bot''' polls resulting in the creation of a new fan-influenced character and toy, while later polls are more "Which character do you want the most?"

==2013 (1)==
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
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!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
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|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
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*Car
*Truck
*Tank
*'''Jet'''
*Spaceship
*Terran Beast (Land)
*Avian Beast (Airborne)
*Helicopter
*Motorcycle
*Construction
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Blaster Cannon
*Flame Thrower
*'''Sword'''
*Mace
*Spear/Harpoon
*Morningstar
*Cybertronian Taser
*Nunchucks
*Crossbow
*Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Red & Black'''
*Green & Gold
*Blue & Silver
*Orange & White
*Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Valiant'''
*Sneaky
*Hotshot
*Secretive
*Wildman
*Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and included four more questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
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!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Autobot Eclipse
*Charon
*Centuritron
*Cashtron
*'''Windblade'''
*Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''<ref>This aspect of the character notably did not come through in her comic appearances, due to the prior lack of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in the [[2005 IDW continuity]]; instead, [[The Transformers: Windblade|the comic focused on her]] portrayed her as being from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]].</ref>
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Altihex]]
*[[Kalis]]
*[[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Combat Medic
*Bodyguard
*Recon
*'''Telepath'''
*Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with her toy subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]]. Windblade obtained a [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|toy]] in the 10th wave of [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' toys; she also starred in a [[The Transformers: Windblade|4-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]], which was later revived as an ongoing series.

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'', and the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

==2013 (2)==
To commemorate the Tranformers 30th anniversary, TakaraTomy held a poll in Japan from [[June 18]]th<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-30th-anniversary-website-now-live-masterpiece-fans-choice-details/27607 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 1]</ref> to [[September 8]]th<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-voting-extended-to-september-6th/28207 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 2]</ref> to determine which Autobot or Maximal leader would get a new toy in the prestigious ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toyline.
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|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Ginrai (robot)|God]] [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]]
*[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)| Beast Convoy]]
*[[Lio Convoy]]
*[[Big Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Convoy (''Legends of the Microns'')]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Grand Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Galaxy Convoy]]
|}

==2014==
TakaraTomy ran a poll through through the first volume of [[Transformers Generations 2014]]. The poll ran until [[June 16]]th.<ref>[http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-3736.html Fan Poll 2014 Source]</ref>

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|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] (with [[Primus#Japanese Generation 1 Cartoon continuity|Vector Sigma/Oracle]]) from [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Scourge]] (and [[Eggbot (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Eggbot]])
*[[The Fallen]] from [[Onslaught (WFC)#Generations|''Generations Fall of Cybertron'' Onslaught]]<ref>This use of the Onslaught mold would have also used the tooling for the [[Ruination (FOC)|Ruination]] combiner head from the [[Impactor (Prime)|Impactor]] version of the mold.</ref>
*[[Cordon|Sunstreaker Police Type]] from [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)| ''Universe'' (2008) Sunstreaker]]
*[[Smokescreen (G2)]] from [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' (2008) Smokescreen]]
*[[Drift (AOE)]] from [[Drift (G1)#Generations|''Generations'' Drift]]
*[[Overdrive]] from [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' (2008) Silverstreak]]
*[[Downshift (G1)|Downshift]] from [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Wheeljack]]
*[[Camshaft (G1)|Camshaft]] from [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' (2008) Ironhide]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] from [[Grimwing (Prime)#Prime|''Prime: Beast Hunters'' Grimwing]]
*'''[[Goshooter]] from [[Nightbeat (G1)#Generations|''Generations Thrilling 30'' Nightbeat]]'''
|}

==2015 (1)==
The second set of Fan Built Bot polls were announced on [[January 15]], 2015, this time to create a whole new Combiner. The polling was done via the ''Transformers'' mobile app. The first set of polls began on [[January 25]]. Each limb was voted on individually. This poll infamously revealed the alternate modes for what would become ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Voyager Class [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Protectobot Hot Spot]] and Legends Class [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Protectobot Groove]] before those figures would be officially unveiled at [[Toy Fair 2015]].
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!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
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|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jets
*Truck and car
*'''Fire truck and motorcycle'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jet/Helicopter
*Truck
*Car
|}
Round 2 began on [[February 11]] and including picking more specific modes for the limbs, two of which had been selected as aerial vehicles, and two as cars.
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
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!Limb #1/#2!!Limb #3/#4!!Origin!!Color scheme
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Bomber
*Recon Plane
*'''Helicopter'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Drag Racer
*'''Sports Car'''
*'''Race Car'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*'''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Blue/cyan/tan
*Orange/grey/blue
*'''Cyan/red/white'''
|}
A round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which power the Combiner would have.
{|class="wikitable" width="20%"
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!Power
|-
|
*[[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
*'''Gravity control'''
*Teleport
|}
The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]:
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!Gender!!Name!!Personality!!Nemesis
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|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''Victorion'''
*Slammoth
*Quakebreak
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Loyal
*'''Independent'''
*Leader
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
*'''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}
[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, received a toy, then made her fictional debut in IDW Publishing's ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic before joining the main cast of [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] ongoing.

==2015 (2)==
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/hasbro-lets-you-decide-the-next-titan-for-2017/</ref> Voting began [[November 24]].<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/voting-for-the-2017-titan-transformer-is-now-open/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
*'''[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'''
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/12/trypticon-wins-titans-fan-vote/</ref>

==2017==
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and it regarded the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2016/12/power-of-the-primes-fan-vote-announced/</ref> which would reflect across the toyline and accompanying fiction.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
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!Honor!!Order!!Chaos
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
*'''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
*'''Unknown Evil ([[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]])'''
|}

On [[February 19]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal ultimately placed first,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2017/02/power-of-the-primes-optimus-primal-new-prime/</ref> which led to him receiving [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a new toy]] in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' web series.

==2018 (1)==
The next fan poll was for a new rivalry that would earn a pair of new toys in the [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]] of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
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!Saboteur vs Scientist!!Brother vs Brother!!Mirage vs The Mercenary
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] vs [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] vs [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] vs [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'''
|}

[[Hasbro Pulse]] put out a free poll which anybody who signed up could participate in. As stated by Hasbro Pulse, "For the first time fans can vote on a pair of characters who will become part of the Generations lineup as Deluxe Class figures."

On February 27, 2018, Hasbro announced that Mirage vs Impactor had won,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/02/war-for-cybertron-fan-poll-winner-announced/</ref> leading [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|to the duo]] [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|receiving new toys]] in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and as exclusive multi-pack new-head retools.

Oddly, despite losing the fan poll, Spinister still received a toy in Siege, and Wheeljack and Tracks got new Earth-mode figures in Earthrise and Kingdom, respectively.

==2018 (2)==
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-vote-announced/</ref><ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-poll-open-on-instagram/</ref>

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!Autobot vs Decepticon!!Decepticon vs Decepticon
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
On [[December 15]], Hasbro announced that [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Astrotrain]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/astrotrain-wins-g1-reissue-vote/</ref>

==2019 (1)==
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2019/05/hasbro-launches-2020-g1-reissue-poll/ Hasbro Launches 2020 G1 Reissue Poll!]</ref>

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|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] had won, receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote]</ref>

==2019 (2)==
Starting [[June 13]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page held a poll to decide which of four Decepticons would appear in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-decepticon-fan-vote-live-now/43433/ 2020 WFC Trilogy poll]</ref>

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|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]]
*'''[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]
|}

The voting was open for 48 hours,<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2727924640611046 The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL]</ref> and on [[July 18]] a Facebook announcement <s>fixed Runamuck's name</s> proclaimed [[Runamuck (G1)#Generations|Runamuck]] the winner.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2819867618083414 The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure!]</ref> Perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#Generations|Runabout]] and ''Studio Series'' [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] soon followed.

==Notes==
*Many times, options that did not win their respective poll have received acknowledgement later down the road:
**After 2013's first poll, the name "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" was used for a new character and ''Generations'' toy, while "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" were later used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
**After 2013's second poll, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]]<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2013/11/19/star-saber-wins-the-takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-178798 Star Saber wins the Takara-Tomy Masterpiece Fan’s Choice Poll] at TFW2005</ref> later received their ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys in [[2016]] and [[2020]], respectively.
**After 2015's first poll, the name "Slammoth" was later used for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] while "Quakebreak" was used for the post-[[Shroud]] version of [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]].
**After 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#Generations|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received their ''Generations'' Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'', respectively.
**After 2017's poll, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received their "Evolution"-style Leader Class toys later on in ''Siege'', with the former receiving a redeco and retool for [[Netflix]] ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' and ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'', respectively.
**After 2018's first poll, [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in ''Siege'' anyway.<ref>[https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/ On June 26, 2019, Hasbro announced they were going to make Spinister @ Screenrant.com]</ref> [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] received their toy later on in ''Earthrise'' and a redeco for Netflix ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] later received their toy in ''Kingdom''.
**After both of 2018's polls, Skywarp and Needlenose were eligible again in the 2019 ''Vintage G1'' and ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' polls, respectively, though both once again lost.
**After 2019's second poll, [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''-style toy later on in ''[[Studio Series]]''.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the first poll]
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the second poll]
*[http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here Hasbro Pulse announcement/vote on new rivalry]

[[Category:Hasbro]]

Windblade (G1)

2022-04-15T21:43:55Z

VidaEeviee: Spelling and link fix

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:''Windblade is an [[Autobot]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Revolution5-Windbladeprofile.jpg|thumb|upright=1.55|YOU MAAAAAAAAADE MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!]]

'''Windblade''' puts truth and duty first, even when both seem impossible. Although this youthful idealism sometimes exasperates her more cynical allies, it is also her greatest strength—her faith in the ability of others to do good has turned enemies to allies and struck fear into the [[spark]]s of those who prey upon the insecurities of others. A fundamentally honest 'bot, she struggles with uncomfortable moral choices and forcing her to compromise those principles can leave her withdrawn and depressed.

On the battlefield, Windblade is a better-than-average swordwoman and can wield her [[Stormfall Sword]] to great effect with her built-in turbines, which generate powerful gusts of wind and scatter foes like leaves in a hurricane. Her most unusual ability, however, might be her [[Cityspeaker]] talents, which allow her to communicate with and control [[Titan (group)|Titans]]. Windblade's natural compassion for these enormous beings is her most potent weapon—let's face it, "the power of friendship" doesn't seem quite so silly when you're using it to rouse a city block-sized battle machine into action.

{{quote|I am a child of the Titan '''Caminus'''. I am the cityspeaker for the last city on '''Cybertron'''. And '''both''' are my home. I have only '''begun''' to fight.|Windblade|[[Windblade issue 4|''Windblade'' vol. 1 #4]]}}

==Fiction==
===2005 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|''Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye'' #26]]}}

====Cityspeaker====
[[File:Windblade4-leavingCaminus.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|Caminus's Angels]]

Windblade was a Transformer who hailed from the planet [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]], born from the [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]] within the [[Caminus (Titan)|Titan]] who had colonized the planet long ago; as with other Cybertronian colonies, the inhabitants of Caminus, isolated from Cybertron, maintained gender dimorphism, with Windblade being female. {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}} Like many Camiens, Windblade was a devout adherent of the [[Way of Flame]], which venerated the [[Thirteen]] [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s as living gods and regarded [[Solus Prime]] as the greatest member of this pantheon. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}} {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} In her youth, Windblade was friends with [[Velocity (G1)|Velocity]] and [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], and sometimes discussed science and engineering with the latter, {{storylink|An Axe to Break the Ice}} and eventually trained to become a [[cityspeaker]], throwing herself into her work even when others told her to hold back. {{storylink|If I Know You}}

Long cut off from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Caminus' isolation ended with the arrival of [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]]; Windblade, her bodyguard [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]], and quantum engineer [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]] joined his crew in hopes of reconnecting with their homeworld and gaining aid for their ailing planet. {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}} Secretly, however, Windblade wondered if she'd been chosen for the mission so that Caminus could be rid of her, and swore not to fail at the daunting task ahead of her. {{storylink|If I Know You}} {{storylink|The Chosen One}} Days after their joining Thunderclash's crew, his ship, the ''[[Vis Vitalis]]'', came across the Autobot sage [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], who informed them that his longstanding partner, the Titan [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], was grievously wounded and required help. With Trion unable to help due to a quest that otherwise occupied him, and Thunderclash unwell, Windblade and her friends boarded a fast shuttlecraft and sped to the ocean world of [[Hydrophena]], where Metroplex was currently in hiding as an [[alchemical virus]] ravaged his body. The trio set themselves up inside his body, and began attempting to repair him. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}}

[[File:BurningBright-Windblade.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|''They're Windblade and the brain<br>Yes, Windblade and the brain<br>One is an organ<br>The other's fan-made!'']]

After some time, Windblade's group was found by a team of Autobots from the ''[[Lost Light]]'', who had been summoned there through complicated means by Metroplex himself. Using their ship's engines, they were able to give Metroplex's [[spark]] a jump-start, giving him the strength to [[space bridge]] back to Cybertron, where a battle between its inhabitants and the [[Quintessa (IDW)|Necrotitan]] was taking place. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Though surprised by the sight of another Titan, Windblade and the other Autobots refused to abandon Metroplex's body; presently, [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]] returned Metroplex's severed thumb, laden with the transmutative [[Ore-7]], to him, healing him allowing him to defeat the Necrotitan. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}} Following the battle, Windblade asked Metroplex about the ore's origins, and he explained that he had picked it up during his travels and jettisoned it when he was attacked by [[Ammonite]]s. Windblade related her findings to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]], but was unable to coax any information out of Metroplex that would help Magnus and the rest of the ''Lost Light'' crew in their search for the [[Knights of Cybertron]]. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} Not long afterwards, Ammonites began to swarm Cybertron, forcing Magnus to radio Windblade to ask Metroplex for aid. The titan needed no encouragement, and began to fight the horde. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} The Ammonites were subsequently destroyed by Metalhawk, after which Windblade and her fellow Camiens were called on by [[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]] to engage the splintered components of [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]]. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

When the fighting was done, Windblade sought out [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]], to pass on a one-word message given to her by Alpha Trion before she had parted company with him: "[[Earth]]". {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}} {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} Prime first had to preside over the trial of Megatron, which Windblade was in the audience for, {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} but after that was done, he prepared to leave to follow Trion's trail. Windblade and [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] stayed behind on Cybertron, now under [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]'s leadership; Prime warned her to be wary of the Seeker, but Windblade simply returned that she was wary of ''everyone'' on this war-blighted world. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}}

[[File:BotAndHerCity-illustriousleader.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|But aside from that, he's great!]]

Six months after the battle of the Titans, Windblade had tried settling into life on Cybertron as it had settled into Metroplex. She had an important role as Cityspeaker to the heavily damaged Metroplex, though she was a novice at it and Starscream, the planet's leader, grew impatient and suspicious of her. Rolling blackouts threatened the city, and after she investigated the cause of those with Chromia, she also sought advice for how to best interact with Starscream. After talking with many of the denizens of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]'s bar, she came to the sobering realization that Starscream was a scheming opportunist who shouldn't be trusted. Not long after this revelation, an explosion seriously damaged her and put her under medical care. Moments before the explosion, she had seen [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], Starscream's henchman, leaving the scene, and as she awoke from her medical bed, seeing Starscream approach her, she suspected Cybertron's leader had tried to kill her. {{storylink|A 'Bot and Her City}}

[[File:Windblade3-altmodes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]

After giving Windblade a veiled threat, Starscream and Rattrap departed. Windblade revealed to Chromia that she had found traces of explosives, before the bodyguard discovered reporters spying on them. Later the two of them met up with Ironhide, who they had sent to guard Metroplex's brain. Windblade searched Metroplex's brain for reasons why Starscream would cause the blackouts, when Chromia noticed that [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] had let slipped in an interview that he knew something. Windblade was able to convince him to show her what he discovered despite his unwillingness to talk; a "mine" Starscream had build inside Metroplex, used to sift the Titan for the Regenesis ore in his body. Windblade returned to the reporters and brought them and the denizens of Blurr's bar down there to reveal the mine to them. Three of the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]]s guarded the mine, and they were more than happy to try to take down Windblade and her friends. {{storylink|A Long Way Down}} Though she fought back valiantly, at a moment of weakness Starscream and Rattrap interrupted the battle to arrest Windblade and the others (minus Chromia and Sky-Byte) for "crimes against Cybertron."

While the others were jailed, Windblade was interrogated violently by Rattrap. However, this interaction convinced her that while Starscream may be responsible for the mine, he was not responsible for the bomb that killed several citizens and nearly her. Then, Chromia and Sky-Byte invaded the compound to free Windblade and the others, and Windblade confided in her friend that she had discovered that Starscream was not the culprit they were after, to Chromia's shock. {{storylink|Windblade issue 3|Windblade vol. 1 #3}} Starscream and his goons were swiftly upon them, and the battle recommenced. Windblade and Chromia barely managed to duck inside Metroplex's brain room as Windblade attempted to hook up directly to Metroplex and solve everything. Merged mentally with Metroplex, finally she understood everything. She saw other Transformer colony worlds that had also broken off from Cybertron. She saw Caminus before he went lost. And, sadly, she saw Chromia in all her rage, and realized that her friend, her bodyguard, was the one who had placed the bombs in that street corner, that Chromia was willing to murder others to scare Windblade off the planet and to safety.

[[File:Windblade4-nolongerwindblade.jpg|thumb|left|350px|"I am the Windblade Collective."]]

Supremely disappointed in Chromia, Windblade nevertheless had to keep the peace for the greater good. She plotted with Starscream to keep things buried, so that there would be a Cybertron for those lost colonies to eventually return to. Windblade left the both of them, wiser, but morally compromised. {{storylink|Windblade issue 4|Windblade vol. 1 #4}}

Windblade was present when [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] emerged from medical rehabilitation. Recently betrayed by Chromia and bewildered by Starscream's machinations, Windblade sought out the nearly-murdered engineer as someone she could potentially trust. After Wheeljack reluctantly agreed to help rebuild [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], she and Ironhide observed in silent solidarity. {{storylink|The World of Tomorrow}}

When Optimus Prime returned from Earth, Windblade, Starscream, and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] told him about a series of murders that were targeting Decepticons. {{storylink|City of Steel (issue)|City of Steel}} The murderer struck again outside of [[Gutcruncher (G1)|Gutcruncher]]'s bar, killing one of his friends, and so she helped Optimus Prime follow this apparent lead. Inside the bar they found a very angry Gutcruncher and an expatriated [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]. It seemed to be a dead end, and the two left, but shortly afterwards the bar exploded, {{storylink|Fight or Flee (issue)|Fight or Flee}} killing everyone inside. After Windblade returned with them to investigate, Sandstorm snapped at Optimus Prime for killing his friends. This anger was short lived, however, ending when a new lead surfaced with the discovery of a an [[infernus bullet]] shell in the wreckage. {{storylink|Quest for Fire}}

This lead culminated in the brutal treatment and incarceration of the [[Firecon]]s, and Windblade took this opportunity to raise an eyebrow at the Autobots' violent methods. Things escalated further when it seemed [[Slag (G1)|Slug]] was responsible for the murders, causing Windblade to pull Optimus Prime out of an imminent battle with him. {{storylink|The Killing Jar (issue)|The Killing Jar}} Optimus Prime realized who the real culprit was, and he enlisted Windblade and Starscream to set up a ruse to draw him out. Ultimately, the murderer was revealed to be Sandstorm. Afterwards, Windblade accompanied Optimus Prime on a personal errand to return the remaining half of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to the spot where he had been given it millions of years ago. Optimus confided in Windblade that he was worried that violent Autobots like Slug and Sandstorm who had trouble acclimating to a post-war climate were the greatest threat to their race's newfound peace. {{storylink|Forever Is a Long Time Coming (issue)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming}}

[[File:FirstContact-lostcolonies.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]

On their way home, Optimus and Windblade were attacked by a group of angry Decepticons, but their attackers dispersed following the arrival of Ironhide and Chromia. The group returned to Metroplex, where Windblade finally revealed the culmination of her work: the Titan's space bridge was back on line, ready to connect with the long-lost Cybertronian colonies, including Caminus. Though Windblade knew that reopening contact between Caminus and Cybertron could mean that Cybertron could help her impoverished homeworld, she was ''also'' aware that Starscream could very well use the space bridge to build a new Cybertronian empire with himself at the head, and expressed her worries to Optimus.

These fears were proven immediately correct; when Starscream learned of the project, he chafed at the idea of forming representative government despite Optimus and Windblade's protestations, but only after a brief communique from the ''Lost Light'' did Windblade realize the true scope of Starscream's machinations: Ironhide and Chromia, who had been guarding the active spacebridge portal, had been struck down by [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], rebuilt by the powers of the recently purloined [[Enigma of Combination]], and, led by [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]], had staged an attack on Caminus. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}}

[[File:TheSumAndItsParts-MistressofFlame.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.67|"Can't you see I'm a little busy~?"]]

After bringing the two guards round, the pair dashed into the portal after Menasor, and Windblade, aware that her colony would surely deify the Prime, instructed Optimus to stay behind. Once she was through to Caminus, Windblade helped rescue Chromia, and after sizing up the threat she contacted Optimus Prime for support. After [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] joined the battle and decisively ended it, Windblade met with her world's [[Forgefire Parliament]] and pleaded for understanding in response to Cybertron's terrible first impression, and then returned to Cybertron to explain the Way of Flame to Optimus: as a "living Prime," her people would surely regard Prime as a god, and follow his every command... and while this would surely undercut Starscream's own grab for power, Optimus was himself wary of harnessing this power for his own ends. As Windblade expected, when she and Optimus walked back to Caminus through the space bridge, the [[Mistress of Flame]] and her citizens immediately ignored Starscream's bloviating and circled around Optimus to bow. {{storylink|The Sum and Its Parts}}

As Starscream tried to salvage his grab for power, having staged the entire incident as a way to win the goodwill of the people of Caminus, Optimus and the Mistress of Flame bristled at their differences—Optimus insisted on helping Caminus rebuild, the Mistress of Flame considered the Prime's devotion to the will of the people to be sacrilege, and Windblade grimaced at the awkwardness. Later on, during the relief efforts, Optimus fielded a call from [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]], and "neglected" to mention Superion's involvement in the attack. Windblade noted that recently Optimus had claimed he never lied. {{storylink|The Possible Light}}

Subsequent efforts to build a functioning parliament continued to stall, with Cybertronian and Camien representatives—including Windblade—at a deadlock regarding Optimus's status on the Council. Just as a group of representatives from the ''Lost Light'' had arrived, Windblade received word that Caminus was under attack by Prowl's [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], who was determined to cut off Cybertron from its colony worlds in order to stop Starscream from growing an empire. Though Devastator was then defeated by the newly created [[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]], Windblade insisted that Prowl would be tried on Caminus for his actions, saving him from an immediate execution on Cybertron. {{storylink|Mistakes and Mayhem}}

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Although she was busy with her political duties, Windblade found the time to work on Metroplex's space bridge with Wheeljack, where the two chatted about the future and the potential implications of re-contacting Cybertron's lost colonies. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}} Events came to a head, however, when Menasor and a group of disenfranchised Decepticons sparked a riot at the spacebridge, and while Prowl forcibly took control of Prime through "[[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]]," Windblade helped provide crowd control alongside Starscream and the [[Badgeless]] while Windblade summoned reinforcements from Caminus, including Chromia and some emigrant Decepticons, and Windblade subsequently helped keep a defeated Menasor down while Optimus Maximus took on Devastator.

[[File:AnUneventfulNight-WindbladeArcee.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Oh no, don't get her started on [[Spotlight: Arcee|that]] again.]]

After the conclusion of the "Combiner Wars", Windblade reported back to the Mistress of Flame and informed her that their long negotiations had finally borne fruit in the form of the "[[Council of Worlds]]:" an interplanetary parliament where Cybertron and its colonies would all have an equal voice, with Windblade the new delegate for Caminus, opposite Cybertron's delegate Rattrap and Council head Starscream. Although Windblade was still troubled by her looming duties and the prospect of having to keep Starscream's ambitions in check, the Mistress reminded her that a true servant of Solus Prime never stopped trying to forge a better world. {{storylink|All That Remains}}

The Mistress of Flame decided to celebrate the Caminus-Cybertron alliance by declaring an official holiday; Windblade temporarily donned some ceremonial paint in honor of the occasion. Windblade was soon contacted by Chromia, who informed her that [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] had just stolen the Enigma of Combination. The duo chased Arcee out to the [[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]], where they encountered [[Pyra Magna]] and her [[Torchbearer]]s, Camien explorers on a mission of their own. In the ensuing fight, [[Rust Dust]] accidentally activated the Enigma, fusing the Torchbearers together into the huge and angry [[Victorion]]. After rescuing Arcee from the vengeful combiner and taking down the giant's weapons, Windblade was able to persuade Victorion to disassemble, and later returned the Enigma to Badgeless custody. Despite Arcee's objections, Windblade was able to cover up the events of the day so as to protect the fragile peace. {{storylink|An Uneventful Night}}
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====Representative of Caminus====
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With the inauguration of the Council of Worlds as the newest addition to the [[Republic of Cybertron]], Windblade's status as official Camien delegate meant that she took the lead on a number of intercultural issues, including a dispute between some Camien immigrants over the Decepticon's siphoning of energy from Metroplex's structure. As a result, she was late for the first meeting between Cybertron and [[Velocitron]], another of the colony worlds, and as a result failed to impress Velocitronian ambassador [[Knock Out (G1)|Knock Out]], who declined their offer to join the Council. Windblade attempted to salvage the situation by inviting Knock Out and his cohort [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]] to a party at [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's]], and learned from Moonracer that Velocitron was in a period of cultural stagnation. In the hopes of brokering an alliance, Windblade recruited the help of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] to win the [[Benefit 500]], which would allow them to make a request of Velocitronian ruler [[Override (BWU)|Override]]. Though Metroplex's cryptic comments on his brother [[Navitas]] proved unhelpful, the group—joined by Chromia and Ironhide—secretly bridged to Velocitron... only to be confronted by freezing cold temperatures, a wall of fire, and the wheeled city of [[Delta]] bearing down on them. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 4|Windblade vol. 2 #4}}

[[File:RaceAgainstTheLight-sowecanwin.jpg|thumb|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Windblade, champion of honor!]]

With Moonracer's help, the quartet were soon safely aboard, and on their tour of the city the group learned more about the stratified nature of Velocitronian society and the sharp social divide between racers and non-racers. While Blurr registered for the race, Windblade and Chromia met [[Clocker (G1)|Clocker]], who showed them to Navitas's brain chamber. Windbalde had hoped to use her talents as a cityspeaker to help manipulate the track above to Blurr's advantage, but years of neglect had rendered Navitas all but senile, forcing Windblade to take drastic action. Clambering into the Titan's brain, Windblade took manual control of the Titan, eliminating the other competitors, guiding Blurr to a suitably flashy victory, and finally persuading the Velocitronians to join the Council. The mood was quickly squelched, however, when Wheeljack contacted her to reveal that Starscream had made his ''own'' play for power while Windblade was offworld, and had secured the allegiance of another colony planet. {{storylink|Race Against the Light}}

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That planet turned out to be [[Devisiun (planet)|Devisiun]], and after meeting representatives [[Vanquish]] and [[Fireshot]], Windblade confronted Starscream about his deceptions and the two reached a shaky agreement: they would visit the next planet ''together''. The next morning, the pair visited [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Eukaris]], with Windblade receiving a helpful tip to lean on [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] and [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] from Rattrap, who had secretly visited the planet before. The Eukarian [[beast mode]] Transformers proved distrustful of Transformers with vehicle modes, and although Windblade's Camien origins allowed her to speak. The presence of vehicular "standard-formers" on the planet awoke Eukaris's Titan [[Chela]], intent on killing the intruders so as to fulfill the directives of his "master" [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]]. Though Windblade tried to reach his brain to negotiate, Chela manipulated his own internal structures to pin her down, and Starscream simply shot the Titan in his brain module, instantly killing the giant. Although Windblade was saddened by Chela's death, Blackarachnia consoled her by reciting one of her prophecies: Chela's death was the first step on changing Eukaris for the better. {{storylink|Windblade vol. 2 issue 6|Windblade vol. 2 #6}}

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Windblade returned to Cybertron disgruntled at how events had gone, but after some encouraging words from Chromia and Metroplex, was soon accompanying Starscream to visit the next Titan, [[Tempo]]. They found not the ship of pacifistic philosophers they were expecting, however; rather, they learned that this Titan had been renamed "[[Vigilem|Carcer]]," crewed by a group of warriors and led by the fearsome [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]]. Though Starscream's deceitful ways nearly persuaded Elita to execute the Seeker, Windblade was able to cover for her compatriot at the last moment, and persuaded the crew of the ship to join the alliance. She was disturbed, however, at the secrets Elita One's people were keeping, despite their vocal adherence to "truth:" Elita One claimed that her people had renamed Tempo to [[Vigilem|Carcer]], when Windblade knew from talking to Metroplex that "Carcer" was in fact the name of a different Titan. {{storylink|The Will of the Few}} Windblade went to confer with Metroplex regarding the names of the Titan and the lack of records on "Carcer" on either Cybertron or Caminus, but Metroplex, aware that "Carcer" was but an alias for the evil [[Vigilem]], whom he and his fellow Titans had banished at the conclusion of the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], chose to keep the truth from Windblade. {{storylink|Rubicon}}

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With a steady tide of colonists travelling to Cybertron, Starscream suggested a new holiday in his honour: "[[Chosen One Day]]". Although Starscream's egocentric holiday didn't turn out as he had hoped, Windblade, her friends, and several Council members visited Starscream's quarters to throw him a party anyway, putting aside their differences for one night. {{storylink|Choose Me}}

Over the coming weeks, Windblade continued to serve on the Council while Optimus Prime and his group of Earthbound Autobots contended with [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]]'s splinter cell of Decepticon radicals on Earth. When Optimus made a brief visit to Caminus to meet with the Mistress of Flame, Windblade filled him in on the situation on Cybertron, and the pair watched as the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s came into conflict with visiting Camiens [[Aileron]] and [[Sterling]]. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 1: Aphelion|Aphelion}} Starscream later contacted Windblade after [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]'s Decepticons sparked a riot. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}}

[[File:NewWorldsOrder-WindbladeStarscream.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|"An empire has ''followed me home''!"]]

In the ensuing struggle, Windblade and her team tried to maintain order against those Decepticons who had chosen to join Galvatron and warp to Earth via Metroplex's space bridge as part of Galvatron's dream of conquering Earth. Even though both Victorion and Superion were called in to successfully quash the insurgents, with Wheeljack able to restore the device to full functionality, Optimus Prime saw a way to permanently forestall Cybertronian aggression and bridged to Earth to declare that the planet was now a protectorate of the Council of Worlds—much to Windblade's concern. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}} {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}}

The Council of Worlds held an emergency meeting to discuss Optimus's course of action, and though Windblade suggested that they hear Optimus out, she maintained that the Prime should not hold a seat on the council, and that the Council itself should only govern the interactions between those worlds colonized by Cybertronians. Starscream was left agitated by how Windblade was willing ''to'' give Prime that benefit, when it was worse than anything ''he'd'' done.{{storylink|New Worlds Order}}

At some point after this meeting, Windblade was left distraught by a broadcast from the crew of the ''Lost Light'': her old friend Velocity, among others, facing execution and making requests for her funeral. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

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While the Council tried to keep order on Cybertron itself, a slew of [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgical]] attacks on Iacon's Decepticon population, including a supplier of parts for Carcer, forced a reluctant Starscream to investigate the matter at Windblade and Obsidian's demands. When the meeting had been adjourned, their guest Ironhide invited Windblade and Chromia to help him deal with a rowdy customer at Maccadam's, but Windblade declined, citing paperwork. However, things soon got out of hand, and [[Drunkatron|a bystander]] was killed in the incident. Windblade accused Starscream of orchestrating the attacks, causing Starscream to threaten to drop the news about Chromia's bombings... but before they could discuss this further, [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] revealed that footage of the shooting had already been broadcast live across Iacon. {{storylink|07:00:00}}

[[File:ApplicableSkills-windbladeandstarscream.jpg|left|thumb|300px|I've said it before and I'll say it again: democracy simply doesn't work.]]

The footage incited an angry mob, who marched on Starscream's office demanding the truth about the attack, prompting Windblade to storm into Starscream's office and blame him for his increasingly totalitarian government. At a later meeting of the Council, Windblade was present when Ironhide volunteered to step up as the new head of the Badgeless. As the crowd dispersed, Windblade pressed Starscream for answers about Swindle - thought dead since the disastrous "Combiner War" - but Starscream refused to play along, putting Windblade in charge of shutting down Onslaught and the surviving Combaticons, and once again threatening to spill the beans about the Metroplex bombings. {{storylink|Applicable Skills}}

Following Starscream's instructions to keep watch on Onslaught, Windblade visited Metroplex's brain chamber; when Chromia arrived, she revealed that she was being blackmailed by Starscream. Neither one of them were able to recover a cache from Chromia's hidden files which documented the space bridge incident, which had been corrupted by someone else. As weeks passed, Chromia worked to unscramble the files while Windblade played along with Starscream's forces - until things finally came to a head when Rattrap revealed Swindle to the other Combaticons, using the Enigma of Combination to probe Swindle's mind and inadvertently creating a new combiner: [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]!. {{storylink|Things We Said We'd Never Do}}

[[File:TheLineBetweenUs-Windbladedroopy.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Droopy wings = Sad Windblade.]]

As Bruticus ran amok in the streets of Iacon, Starscream blamed Windblade for failing to keep an eye on the Combaticon leader and demanded that she kill the combiner. Windblade initially refused, but when Starscream threatened to reveal Chromia's secret Windblade finally pushed back and contacted Chromia. Windblade asked her to help the Combaticons expose Starscream's own dirty secrets and return to Caminus before Starscream could retaliate. Windblade tried to talk down Bruticus, but the combiner retaliated against her - only Ironhide's intervention saved the two Camiens. When Bruticus had been reduced to his components, Windblade tried to resuscitate the unconscious Combaticons in the hopes of getting them to talk. With no other alternatives, Chromia finally went on live television and announces that she was responsible for the Acrolight bombings. All Windblade could do was watch as her best friend was arrested. {{storylink|The Line Between Us}}

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Shortly after the conclusion of the Bruticus incident, the Council would meet with Optimus to hear his side of the story, and although Windblade tried to be diplomatic, [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] was quick to demand an explanation. Although Prime insisted that his motives were pure, Windblade couldn't side with Prime's recent actions, and the Council unanimously voted against allowing Earth a seat on the council. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 3: The Medium and the Message|The Medium and the Message}} During a subsequent emergency meeting, however, footage from Earth that depicted Optimus raising the Titan [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]] from the ground prompted the religious colonists to reconsider their vote, and it was decided that Earth, "ruled" as it were, by a Prime, would, indeed, received a seat on the Council. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}}

When a massive energy discharge was detected at the former site of [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], Windblade pushed Starscream to investigate, and the two fliers headed out. Shockingly, they found the city intact within a crater, but this matter was quickly forgotten when the two received news that the [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] had seemingly returned from the dead, and was slaughtering Decepticons in their ghetto. When the ex-Prime attacked Starscream with a [[Spark disruptor]], Windblade was able to jump the disruptor onto her own spark, where its detonation was non-fatal thanks to the differing frequency of Camien sparks. The pair quickly flew to regroup with the forces fighting Sentinel Prime at the space bridge. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}} When Optimus and [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] returned to Cybertron from their encounter with Sentinel on [[Prion (planet)|Prion]], Windblade met up with the duo, and encouraged the demoralized Autobot leader to take his victories where he could get them. {{storylink|White Heat}}

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Some time later, Pyra Magna and Soundwave called Windblade to Earth to help deal with the recalcitrant Metrotitan, who had gone dormant and refused to communicate with anyone. However, days of searching his systems turned up no mechanical faults. {{storylink|Informed}} In between repairs, Windblade remainedon Earth for a time, helping to coordinate Prime's goodwill missions across the globe, meaning that she was on hand after a mysterious [[Ore-13]] explosion on [[Mount Olympus]]. The explosion coincided with Jazz and Arcee running afoul of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]], Earth's newest defense force, in [[Oregon]], but the standoff was interrupted by the arrival of [[Rom]] the [[Space Knight]], who interrupted the fracas to kill several members of [[G.I. Joe]], including what appeared to be [[Joe Colton (Dire Wraith)|Joe Colton]] himself. {{storylink|Concorde Hymn}} Realizing that the Cybertronians would be blamed for the attack, the Autobots and Soundwave pursued the alien to [[Umpqua National Forest]], where the alien, Rom, explained that he was tracking the malevolent, shapeshifting [[Dire Wraith]]s, who had infiltrated the human forces. {{storylink|The Divine Source of Liberty}}

[[File:Informed-WindbladeLadyShazraella.jpg|left|thumb|upright=0.85|[[George Takei|Oh, my.]]]]

Back at Autobot City, the efforts to communicate with Metrotitan continued, until Pyra Magna happened to suggest that the Titan hadn't "malfunctioned"—his silence was ''deliberate'', and he was waiting for a Prime to communicate with him. Unsure of Metrotitan's true intentions and unwilling to endanger Optimus, Windblade opted to merge her own mind with Metrotitan's. The Titan wasn't happy to be communicating with her; he explained that he was merely trying to pass on a message from one of the Thirteen before shunting Windblade's consciousness into [[Microspace]], where she encountered [[Micronus Prime]], its creator. The Prime warned her that she would have to experience his message for herself, and so her new avatar was set adrift in the destructive [[entropy cloud]] that threatened that realm. Before long, the forces of the evil [[Baron Karza]] found the young Camien, and Windblade was interrogated by his wife [[Shazraella|Lady Shazraella]]; there, Windblade learned about the war that threatened the stability of the Microverse. One of Shazraella's handmaidens sacrificed herself to set Windblade free as soon as her mistress's back was turned, allowing Windblade's avatar to fade away and return her consciousness to her normal body. Optimus was hesitant to follow through on her plea to help Microspace, wary of the dark lineage of the Primes despite Windblade's insistence that Primes were divine beings. Unable to blaspheme against Optimus Prime, Windblade grudgingly promised to follow her Prime and understand his motives. {{storylink|Informed}}

[[File:OShipOfState-Windblade.jpg|right|thumb|250px|You can feel the cyber-spittle splattering from here.]]

When the Transformers and Rom convened to strategize, Windblade continued to argue that assisting Microspace should be their top priority - a sentiment that Soundwave agreed with, believing that all of the recent events had to be connected. Optimus took command and decided that the Autobots would need to help Earth first. When Rom took matters into his own hands by sending Ore-13 through Metrotitan's space bridge to put them beyond the reach of the Wraiths, the Autobots moved to stop the Space Knight, and Optimus realized the error of his ways, resolving that they would have to find a way to save both worlds. {{storylink|O Ship of State}}

Meanwhile, [[Snake-Eyes]] had infiltrated Autobot City and distracted Windblade long enough to sneak into the complex. There, he encountered Arcee and the recently arrived ''[[Heliopolis]]''; crew member [[Acroyear (Micronaut)|Acroyear]] joined the fight and drew the attention of the three Cybertronians. When Windblade investigated the tiny spaceship, she recognized the lifeforms from her own adventures within that realm. {{storylink|The New Colossus}} Things only got worse when Karza showed up in their universe, and fused with the Dire Wraiths and the technology of [[M.A.S.K.]] to form a gigantic, super-powered colossus. Windblade realized that the monster was speaking Ancient Cybertronian. Following an impromptu team-up with the resident do-gooders, the team hatched a plan to send Karza back to whence he had came, and in the ensuing batlte Windblade used her cityspeaking talents to activate Metrotitan's flight mode and lift the entire city to safety. {{storylink|Valley Forge}}
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====Vigilem====
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After helping to save the Earth and ensuring that Optimus and Earth's other heroes would help keep the planet safe, Windblade returned to Cybertron feeling very unsure of her role in the future of both worlds. Despite everything, Windblade was once again forced to step up when a horde of undead Titans—summoned by [[Infinitus]] several months ago after her encounter with "Sentinel Prime"—prepared to make landfall on Cybertron. As Starscream and the other members of the Council dug in for war, Windblade took control of Metroplex's combat functions as the [[zombies]] arrived but was unable to prevent the Titan from being dragged down by his undead brethren. {{storylink|Ping}} Trapped inside Metroplex, Windblade and [[Lightbright (G1)|Lightbright]] disconnected Metroplex's brain module so that the undead would think that Metroplex had perished. Regrouping at the [[Spire]], Starscream informed everyone that despite his repeated pleas, Elita One would ''not'' transform her own Titan to provide additional firepower, and so Windblade proposed a risky plan to sneak aboard Carcer and manually reactivate the Titan. After Lightbright had been given a holographic disguise to look like Windblade, the group boarded Carcer while Devastator led a frontal assault on Carcer as a distraction. {{storylink|Desperate Times}}

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While the disguised Lightbright and her team distracted Carcer's security forces, Windblade's managed to breach the Titan's brain module, only to be confronted by Obsidian, who refused them access. Though Windblade and her group brought down Obsidian, the subsequent mental merge revealed that Elita's Titan was neither Carcer, nor Tempo, but rather ''[[Vigilem]]'', villainous Titan of [[Liege Maximo]]. {{storylink|Desperate Measures (Till All Are One)|Desperate Measures}} As Vigilem struggled to awaken after millennia of hibernation, Windblade took control of his body directly to battle the horde, but the dual strain of resisting his whispers while puppeteering his form proved too much for her; instead, Vigilem agreed to a truce, taking partial control to destroy the zombies so that Vigilem himself could then take revenge on Cybertron. Indeed, as the last of the Titans were felled, Vigilem turned his attentions to Metroplex, until Windblade forced him away and then shifted her mental energies to try and stop him from freeing [[Liege Maximo]], imprisoned at the center of his body. Were it not for the last of the undead distracting her, she may very well have succeeded but Vigilem used her moment of weakness to seize control of ''both'' their bodies. When Elita arrived to destroy Vigilem's brain, the Titan downloaded his mind into Windblade's, and sending her into stasis lock. {{storylink|Rubicon}} To the outside world however, Windblade appeared dead. {{storylink|If I Know You}}

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Her body was brought to a hospital where [[Windblade's doctor|a doctor]] deduced that Vigilem's mind had jumped into Windblade's own body; indeed, inside her mind, Windblade's consciousness was very much alive, forced to contend with Vigilem's own avatar, who tried to convince her to merge their [[Spark]]s into one so that they could both survive. Despite Vigilem's temptations and attempts to undercut her own morals, Windblde continued to resist, {{storylink|If I Know You}} doubling down on her attempts to safely contain Vigilem until she realized that such a feat was impossible; rather, she would defend herself until her mind collapsed from the strain, killing them both. This stalemate continued until Starscream, with the [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgical]] assistance of [[Airachnid (G1)|Airachnid]], patched himself into their shared mind to rescue Windblade—unaware that Vigilem himself could make the jump into his ''own'' consciousness. Enraged by Starscream's recklessness, Windblade watched as Vigilem did just that: taking the form of [[Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Megatron]], Windblade followed the pair into a mental representation of Kaon, rescuing Starscream's spark before Vigilem could obliterate it and seize control of the Seeker's body.

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Thinking his foe destroyed, Vigilem began rewriting the Seeker's mind while Windblade glimpsed Starscream's memories and was horrified at the process of cold construction by which he was created. Glimpsing Starscream's spark being placed in one of many identical, pre-built bodies, she speculated that Starscream's constant changing of bodies was his spark's attempt to find its "true form." Summoning a mental copy of the [[Forge of Solus Prime]], Windblade began forging Starscream's "true" form out of his spark, each strike summoning a spectre of a Cybertronian who'd had a great impact on Starscream's life to fight off Vigilem... and, eventually, Starscream's mental avatar was reborn into a towering vision of his "true form," which promptly stomped on Vigilem. Assuming a resplendent form of her own, Windblade defeated Vigilem by shoving his avatar into her own spark, "burning away" his impurities until only the truth of his being remained. Befitting the Titan of Liege Maximo, however, Vigilem's spark contained ''no'' truth, and the Titan's mind finally died.

Returning to the waking world, Windblade cheekily smiled at Starscream and told him that by helping him find his truth, she'd found her own as well. No longer would she be a mouthpiece for others, or subservient to the Way of Flame and the lineage of Primes: she would be her own 'bot, unafraid to speak her mind. {{storylink|Your First Mistake}}

[[File:FirstStrike1-RedShadows.jpg||thumb|left|300px|Ninja vs. geisha, in a battle of the pastiches!]]

Soon afterwards, the time came for [[Earth]] to properly join the Council of Worlds, having appointed [[Marissa Faireborn]] as an ambassador. Windblade was present in [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] during the ceremony, but as Starscream prepared to give a speech, an explosion sent the crowd into a panic—unbeknownst to the Cybertronians, [[Joe Colton]] and his [[Iron Ring]] had chosen to launch a genocidal attack on Cybertron in the name of [[human]] sovereignty. As security conducted evacuations, Windblade attempted to help a fallen civilian... only for the wounded Transformer to reveal itself as a Trojan horse filled with a horde of [[Red Shadows]]. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} Even with Ironhide's authorization of lethal force and Optimus Prime providing backup, she and the Prime retreated back to the [[Spire]], where the other members of the Council struggled to pick up the pieces—and Windblade's fears regarding Elita and Starscream's ability to work together was well founded when Elita announced her decision to kill Marissa and all the other humans. {{storylink|First Strike issue 2|First Strike #2}} When [[Skyburst (G1)|Skyburst]] and [[Stormclash]] arrived on Cybertron, they glimpsed Windblade exasperatedly throwing her hands up during a Council meeting before members of [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] and [[M.A.S.K.]] were brought before them, with Elita ordering their execution. {{storylink|First Strike issue 3|First Strike #3}}

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Windblade objected to that, feeling the Council should not be reduced to genocide by fear prompting Elita to instead propose mass deportation. After [[Scarlett]] had given something vaguely resembling an explanation regarding the [[Iron Ring]]'s plan, Starscream threw her and her forces in jail. Nonetheless, Starscream ordered a mobilization against the threat with Windblade volunteering to confer with Metroplex. When Optimus offered aid however, she coldly rebuked him later explaining to Ironhide that she tired of his constant military mindset as she pulled up cameras in the central district eventually finding the villains in the filtration systems. Observing everything from the security cameras, Windblade watched in shock and horror as Colton's forces easily routed both squads. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}} Windblade began brainstorming a plan, only to find Optimus had taken his leave. Intercepting Optimus outside the prison, a skeptical Windblade let he and his team pass, if only to prevent further damage to Iacon, but noted that that had been the last time she would bow to any [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]. Windblade then went to Starscream to report on Optimus's actions only to find [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] had already done so. {{storylink|First Strike issue 5|First Strike #5}}

Windblade remained behind to keep an optic on Metroplex, when the Council moved out to arrest Optimus, and after the battle in Cybertron's core concluded shortly thereafter, the [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]] that [[Merklynn]] had activated prompted a "scream" from the planet as the device corrupted Cybertron's supply of energon. Windblade was on hand to persuade Metroplex into translating the signal that Cybertron beamed into deep space, and its meaning was simple: "Welcome. Death." {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}}

====First Delegate====
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As Iacon began yet another reconstruction, Windblade was due to retake her spot on the Council of Worlds which Starscream had chosen to commemorate with a photo-op. When Windblade nearly let slip that [[Liege Maximo]] had escaped, Starscream kicked out the press shocking the cityspeaker that he hadn't told the populace. Learning that the Mistress of Flame supported this was the last straw for Windblade who stormed out and told [[Circuit (G1)|Circuit]] and [[Longtooth]] about the truth regarding "Carcer". The resulting news wave resulted in Windblade being banished from Caminus before she was attacked by a sympathetic Camien and a rather miffed Carcerian. After those two had been chased off, Windblade was approached by Blurr, Fat Tankor and Waspinator who pushed her to run for the post of Chancellor. She took their advice and soon garnered enough signatures to become a candidate but faced with the monumental responsibility, she caved and sought solace at Metroplex. She confessed to the Titan that she while she did indeed want to rule Cybertron, she feared that her desire to do so was in fact a remnant of Vigilem's personality. Metroplex told her that Vigilem had listened to no one but Liege Maximo and if Windblade honestly listened to others and worked to make their lives better, she would know herself to be free of the evil Titan's impulses.

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Acting on that advice, Windblade organized an event in [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]] where bots from all walks of life could come and vent their grievances while offering her advice on how to make Cybertron a better world. Once the event wrapped up, Windblade was approached by [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] who revealed that he was behind the recent [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] uprising presenting her with a briefcase full of devastating ''kompromat'' on Starscream. When Windblade queried as to why he didn't use the case himself, the ex-Autobot revealed his uncertainty about whether or not Starscream had genuinely turned over a new leaf... and also, since Windblade now knew about the briefcase, ignoring the contents was essentially endorsing them, so they were ''her'' problem now.

Windblade eventually read their contents and discovered Starscream's laundry list of crimes, swearing to the Seeker that she would expose him at the debates. At the debates, Windblade spoke briefly of her own past before she praised Cybertron for being a place that transcended differences and welcomed everyone. Starscream spoke next and, in the bravest act Windblade had ever seen, confessed to all his crimes. The result was a landslide victory for Windblade, who decided to change her title from "Supreme Ruler" to "First Delegate". Visiting Starscream in his cell, she presented him with a holo-image of his "true self" as means to symbolize his fulfilling the Chosen One prophecy— by having all of Cybertron turn against him, he'd finally united the planet. {{storylink|The Chosen One}}

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In [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]]'s [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|biopic]] of Starscream, the meeting between the two jets was recreated with [[Aileron]] acting as Windblade. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

With Cybertron's energon unpalatable to its people following being tainted by the Talisman's [[magic]], Optimus Prime oversaw the extraction of a large supply of [[Ore-13]] from Earth which he delivered to the assembled Council of Worlds before a solar eclipse struck the planet. Though Windblade was correct in believing this was Liege Maximo's long feared return, the Prime of Lies was now a prisoner of [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]] whom Optimus invited to the surface for a reasonable discussion. Onyx agreed to the request viewing Optimus as none other than [[The Arisen]]. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}} In the following discussion, Windblade tried to make her voice heard only for Onyx and the Mistress of Flame to defer solely to Optimus. When [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] attempted to defend Windblade and Onyx, the Mistress brought the latter's attack on Caminus. An attack that Windblade demanded the Mistress tell her about before an explosion ripped through the [[Spire]]. With Optimus, Windblade shielded Marissa Faireborn before Soundwave drew attention to Alpha Trion's demise. Onyx took the opportunity to assert authority and declared Soundwave and his Decepticons would be tried by the Primes alongside Liege Maximo. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 2: Another Mine|Another Mine}}

Windblade and Optimus quickly came to Soundwave's defense, but Onyx used an old crime of Soundwave's to turn even his fellow Decepticons against him. Fighting broke out in the streets between the faithful, the faithless, and the merely angered. Windblade and Optimus tried to reach Onyx Prime, but they were shot at and Windblade lost her grip on Optimus. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 3: The Ground|The Ground}} He was rescued by Onyx, only to be tossed into the singularity at Crystal City. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} Windblade regrouped with the Mistress of Flame as they tried to restore order. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 4: The Hallowing|The Hallowing}} Windblade was unable to approach Onyx Prime's ship, the [[Nemesis (BW)|Nemesis]], no matter how well she flew. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 5: Endless Forever|Endless Forever}} Onyx Prime was eventually brought down and revealed as the lost Decepticon Shockwave. Windblade assured Soundwave no charges would be brought against him, but he had still lost the faith of the Decepticons by the revelations. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 6: Unforgivable|Unforgivable}} Once [[New Prysmos]] had begun to fill up with [[Prysmosian]] refugees, Windblade sent [[Kup (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Kup]] and Ironhide to negotiate with the aliens while sending [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] and [[Breakdown (IDW)|Breakdown]] to examine the Talisman. {{storylink|Schismatic}}

[[File:UnstoppedAndUnstoppable-windbladebumblebee.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"Why do I have a weird feeling that I should be helping [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|you]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|recover your missing memories?]]"]]

Some time later, Windblade sent a small group of Autobots to Velocitron to discover why Cybertron had abruptly lost contact with the planet; though they did not return, a fragmented video clip recovered from the mission depicted the planet's destruction at the hands of a monstrous planet and a second message beamed into space by the Talisman during the conflict with the Prysmosians dubbed the threat "[[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]." {{storylink|Unstopped and Unstoppable}} Velocitron was but one planet targeted by Unicron; as the monster planet tore his way through the galaxy, Optimus Prime led a small Autobot detachment to the organic world of [[Elonia]] to coordinate that planet's evacuation before Unicron destroyed it, with Windblade heading a teleconference with the [[Elonian]] [[Space Knight]] [[Rom]] to explain the threat that Unicron posed. {{storylink|Our Darkest}}

Despite the best efforts of the Autobots, Unicron was able to consume almost all of the "thirteen colonies" affiliated with the Cybertronian race, until only Windblade's homeworld of Caminus remained. As Unicron and his [[Maximal]] hordes descended over the besieged planet, Windblade helped coordinate the evacuation efforts from Cybertron while Optimus unsuccessfully attempted to defeat Unicron from the inside out, but this was ultimately in vain, as Optimus was unable to find any clues on how to stop the beast as it overran and consumed Caminus. {{storylink|Last Stand (Unicron)|Last Stand}} As the forces of Cybertron coordinated their next move, Starscream—a Decepticon once more—announced his plan to unite the [[Decepticon Vengeance Division]] for an all-out attack on Unicron, shooting down Windblade's proposal to add what remained of the Cybertronian fleet to his armada. {{storylink|Stranger Eons}}

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As it turned out, the D.V.D. was a ruse, allowing [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] to doublecross and mutate the Decepticons with supplies of [[Ore-11]] to transform them into loyal servants of his own, and as Unicron appeared in the skies above Cybertron Windblade desperately weighed up their options with Starscream, Soundwave, and Optimus. Information obtained by Bumblebee revealed that Unicron was, in reality, [[Antilla]], the first planet to encounter the Transformers and the world where the terrible history of Cybertron truly began. Shockwave had planned this all, millions of years in advance, as part of a long game to kill Cybertron and its legacy for good, allowing the Transformers to begin again on Earth; though Windblade was initially furious at Caminus and the other colonies having to pay for the sins of Cybertron, it was Arcee who reminded her that Caminus, like the other Transformer worlds, had been built off the expansionism that began with Antilla. A furious Windblade flew away, to be followed by Arcee, and though the latter initially assumed that Windblade was simply running from her responsibilities, the Cityspeaker informed Arcee that she had a plan. {{storylink|Our Finest}}

At [[New Prysmos]], Windblade and Ironhide parleyed with [[Leoric]] for use of the Talisman, and as Unicron began his final attack on the metal planet the [[Spectral Knight]]s pooled their magic to activate the Talisman, projecting a beam of mystical light that began teleporting the inhabitants of Iacon to Earth. Ironhide and Windblade were the first to be saved, arriving in [[Mosi-oa-Tunya National Park]] on Earth, before they were joined by Metroplex and the millions of other Transformers who had narrowly escaped deactivation, {{storylink|Road's End}} regrouping in and around [[Victoria Falls]]. {{storylink|A Sunrise Dark}} That evening, Windblade and Chromia reunited, and the two joined the other high-ranking Autobots in Metroplex's command center for a briefing, where Jetfire explained that the [[black hole]] in the center of Unicron threatened the entire galaxy.

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The next morning, however, Unicron's Maximals descended on the planet, and their invasion prompted the population of Cybertron to begin their final do-or-die play against Unicron and his forces, with Metroplex and Trypticon teleporting into low Earth orbit with the assembled heroes and villains in a final battle. {{storylink|Assembly (Unicron)|Assembly}}

As they did so, Windblade, Jetfire and the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] arrived at [[Mount Rushmore]] in order to put a secondary plan into action, and though their efforts were briefly threatened by [[Monstructor (G1)|Monstructor]], their gambit worked, and using the [[Enigma of Combination]] Soundwave was able to tap into the afterlife, using the spirits of the deceased to bolster the spirit of Optimus Prime as he battled [[Unicron's creator]] in [[infraspace]]. When the threat had passed, Windblade and Chromia looked out upon their new homeworld, intent on fulfilling Optimus Prime's dream of uniting humanity and Cybertron. {{storylink|Ceremony}} Shortly afterwards, Windblade presided over Optimus Prime's funeral in [[Little Cybertron]], and quickly deviated from her prepared remarks to eulogize the ''true'' Optimus: that they would celebrate Optimus while denouncing the legacy of the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s that he represented, so that they may move beyond them and build a new future on their adopted homeworld. {{storylink|Post}}
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===''Kre-O'' online manga===
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Windblade was one of several Autobots under attack by [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]]. {{storylink|New Military Unit Combaticon! Bruticus, Combine!}}
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===''Legends'' comic===
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Windblade, "little sister" to [[Nijika]], was created by the [[Zamojin (species)|Zamojin]] to keep watch on their dream world of the [[Legends World]], where wishes could come true. When it was decided that the experiment had come to a conclusion, Windblade announced the universe's imminent destruction to its denizens and used her fans to form a devastating storm. [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]], realizing that the universe could grant any wish, summoned [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to his world; the gigantic robot pulled Windblade from the sky, causing her to reset in the process and forget all about her mission. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 12|Bonus Edition Vol. 12}}

[[File:TFLegendsAutobotsHalloweenCostumes.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Darn it Japan! Wait, 80% of me ''is'' Japan.]]
Without any memory, Windblade fell into a waitress job at a "little sister cafe" in [[Akihabara]], where she proved skilled at selling very expensive lunches to adoring customers. She also ended up squatting at [[Tigatron]]'s home, much to the chagrin of [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]]. {{storylink|Windblade Sequel}} Windblade was among the dimensionally-displaced Autobots and [[Transformers sickness]]-afflicted Maximals who gathered to defend the Legends World from the intruding [[Slipstream (Animated)|Slipstream]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 16|Bonus Edition Vol. 16}} During [[Halloween]], she dressed up as a schoolgirl to attend a Halloween party with Tigatron and Airazor, but they were interrupted by the trick-or-treating Slipstream, [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], and [[Nightbird (G1)|Nightbird Shadow]]. Windblade teamed up with the similarly dressed up [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] to stop the Decepticons' antics, but all three were defeated and tied up by Blackarachnia. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 17|Bonus Edition Vol. 17}}

As the [[spirit energy]] generated by [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Megatron]]'s greed empowered the Zamojin, they began working to regain control of Windblade, causing her to fall ill. She collapsed in the street, prompting the nearby [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Armada Starscream]] to fill in for her at the cafe. When she arrived there herself, she had fallen back under her makers' control and was muttering that she would destroy the world. Getting a hold of herself, she explained the situation to Starscream, lamenting that she was enjoying her new life in the Legends world and didn't want to destroy it. Starscream set out to put at end to Megatron's ambition, but warned Windblade that if it bad came to worse, he'd stop her himself. {{storylink|LG-18 Armada Starscream Super Mode Prologue}}

Megatron would not give up on his desires, however, and the Zamojin were able to take full control of Windblade. Starscream was ready to sacrifice himself to destroy her in a bid to save the world, but [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] found an alternate solution that led to both Megatron and Starscream being returned to their own universe. Restored to normal, Windblade was left chastising the local toy nerds for being just as greedy as Megatron when it came to rare toys. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 18|Bonus Edition Vol. 18}} When [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] arrived in the Legends World, Windblade and Chromia were ''very'' impressed with his handsome new body. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 19|Bonus Edition Vol. 19}} She was later caught up in another [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s attack on the city after he was turned into the insane [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 23|Bonus Edition Vol. 23}} Windblade was harassed by [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] while acting as cheerleader at a soccer game, {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 29|Bonus Edition Vol. 29}} and witnessed [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]]'s living [[transtector]] run away from him. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 30|Bonus Edition Vol. 30}}

Windblade was working at the cafe when [[Flywheels]] came to see her fellow waiter, [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]], {{storylink|LGEX Headmaster Set Chapter}} and was among the citizens pestered by [[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]]'s clone army. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 47|Bonus Edition Vol. 47}} Metroplex later recalled how he was brought to the Legends World to defeat Windblade. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. EX (Metroplex)|Bonus Edition Metroplex}} When the world was threatened by three out-of-control [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] who overpowered any resistance, Windblade sought out her creator, [[Katsu Don]], and struck a deal: in return for her rejoining the Zamojin, he would convert her into a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] who could combine with the upgraded body of Nijika. With the additional power of her sister on her side, Windblade was able to capture [[Pinpointer (G1)|Pinpointer]] and use him to defeat the other Targetmasters, saving the world at the cost of becoming a Zamojin puppet once more. Before rejoining the Zamojin, she left a message for Tigatron, thanking him for their time together and asking the people of the Legends World to destroy her if she ever returned to attack them again. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 62|Bonus Edition Vol. 62}}

Indeed, it wasn't long before Katsu Don had Windblade assault the Legends World a second time, {{storylink|Jumpstarter Chapter}} this time using her connection to Pinpointer to take control of the other two Targetmasters and wreak havoc until confronted by the [[Wrecker]]s. She made short work of [[Twin Twist]] by decapitating him, but he survived using the [[Zodiac]] and separated her from [[Spoilsport]], who he then used to sever her connection to [[Peacemaker]]. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 65|Bonus Edition Vol. 65}} Windblade then clashed with [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] before teaming up with Katsu Don to battle the [[Jumpstarter]]s, only to be defeated by their combined mode, [[Attack Powered]]. Fortunately she was mostly unharmed and her defeat served to set her free from Katsu Don's control once more. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 66|Bonus Edition Vol. 66}} She later fought back against an army of other Zamojin summoned by her creator {{storylink|Targetmaster Chapter Finale: Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part One|Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part One}} and celebrated the defeat of [[Majin Zarak]], though ultimately the Legends World ended up destroyed and she and the rest of its residents evacuated to the [[G1 World]]. {{storylink|Targetmaster Chapter Finale: Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part Two|Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part Two}}

Windblade, [[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]], and Perceptor traveled to [[Zamojin]] and asked Katsu Don for his assistance in restoring the Legends World. Windblade promised to the defend the world and Perceptor told Katsu Don the people of Legends World deserved to have their home back, or else he would be no better than the Quintessons. Katsu Don relented, and lent his psychic power to the Powered Masters and other forces to bring back Legends World. {{storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

===''TransTech''===
Two separate Windblades were members of a crowd of countless off-worlders in [[Axiom Nexus]]'s Under City on the morning of the [[Waruder]] invasion. One of them had [[Windblade (G1)#Legends|black thighs]], the other had [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|red thighs]]. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}
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===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
Windblade's Cityspeaker abilities meant that she could communicate with Titans telepathically, without the need of a [[Titan Master]] proxy. This put her into conflict with [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] when the rogue Autobot attempted to wrest control of a full-sized [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]].<ref>''Titans Return'' ''[[Titans Return (toyline)#Summer convention exclusives|Titan Force]] 3-pack'' bio material/instructions.</ref> Windblade later gained a Titan Master partner in [[Scorchfire]], who gave Windblade the ability to supercharge her swords. {{storylink|#TRDeluxe|''Titans Return'' Scorchfire & Windblade toy bio}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
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Windblade was a cityspeaker from Caminus. She resented the Mistress of Flame for abandoning the planet in favor of a position on the council on Cybertron. Giving up her job, she vowed to destroy the Combiners that had laid waste to her home world. {{storylink|Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Windblade}} She and [[Maxima]] encountered [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] shortly after the Combiner dispatched [[Computron (G1)|Computron]]. Windblade sliced Menasor in two, at which point he revealed that the council had the [[Enigma of Combination]] and intended to use it to create an army of Combiners. After mourning the loss of Maxima, Windblade headed to Cybertron. {{storylink|The Fall}}

There, she attempted to snipe the Enigma, only for [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] to knock her aim off target as she fired. {{storylink|The Council}} Attacking the former Autobot leader, Windblade asserted that the Autobots, Decepticons and Combiners were all alike. He eventually managed to relieve her of her sword; however, when she revealed that the council had the Enigma, he joined forces with her. {{storylink|The Duel}} The pair paid a visit to Megatron and managed to persuade him to aid them, though not before Windblade had to deck him. {{storylink|Unforgotten}}

The trio headed to the council tower where they were met with hostility. Windblade accused the Mistress of Flame of deserting Caminus and inevitably Megatron shot [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] resulting in a clash between the two groups. As the trio fought the automated defenses, Windblade heard a mysterious voice in her head. {{storylink|Homecoming (CW)|Homecoming}} The arrival of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] resulted in Optimus, Megatron and Windblade fighting him instead, as he tried to claim the Engima for the Combiners. Things were further complicated by the arrival of [[Victorion]], at which point Starscream used the Enigma to merge with all the Combiners as Windblade and the others watched. {{storylink|A War of Giants}}
[[File:Machinima-Titans-Return-Ep3-MetroplexWindblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Big Guy & Rusty the Geshia Robot.]]

Windblade attempted to attack the out-of-control Starscream, only to be blasted by lightning and fall lifeless to the ground. {{storylink|Darkest Hour (CW)|Darkest Hour}} Finding herself in a featureless void, Windblade spoke with [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] and admitted she was wrong to want to destroy everyone. Recalling her role as a Cityspeaker, Windblade recovered and got Metroplex to crush Starscream, allowing Optimus and Megatron to finish him off. Megatron presented Windblade with the Enigma, and she passed it on to Victorion for safekeeping. As the Mistress of Flame congratulated Windblade on ending the Combiner Wars, the cityspeaker observed that now the Titans had returned. {{storylink|Destruction's Dawn}}

As the cleanup of the city progressed, Windblade was disappointed that Optimus had chosen to leave. She found [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] examining Starscream's remains and left him to it, returning to Metroplex just in time to see a distant light as [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] rose from the ground. {{storylink|Aftermath and Rebirth}} She communed with Metroplex and realized the Titan had been planning to leave Cybertron before Starscream's stunt with the Enigma. Metroplex prepared to battle Trypticon, though Windblade believed he was too damaged to stand up to the evil Titan. She and Perceptor located the Mistress of Flame in the [[Primal Basilica]] and raised the alarm. Windblade resolved to stick by Metroplex's side as he fought, even as the [[Elite Air Resistance Squadron|reinforcements]] the Mistress called in were destroyed. {{storylink|Our Heroes Respond}}

[[File:TR-Ep6-Desperate-Actions-Windblade-bonds-to-FortMax.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|left|"[[Evangelion Unit-02|Mama]], I understand the A.T. Field now! You were with me, protecting me all along!"]]
She continued to plead with Metroplex to not battle Trypticon, but her pleas went unheeded, and she was shocked when Trypticon spoke with Starscream's voice. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} Joined by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], Windblade attempted to assault Trypticon, but was too late to prevent Metroplex from perishing. After Hot Rod rescued [[Emissary (TR)|Emissary]] from Trypticon, the [[Titan Master]] and Windblade headed off to find [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]], {{storylink|At the Last Second}} arriving there to find Megatron brawling with the Combiners. Once that was resolved, Emissary linked Windblade to Maximus's mind so she could awaken him. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}} The process was painful, but Windblade managed to persuade Maximus to act before Emissary terminated the link for her own safety. {{storylink|Run for Our Lives}}

The trio headed back to the city, as Optimus Prime and the Combiners were battling Trypticon, arriving just in time to save Optimus. {{storylink|In Good Hands}} As Fortress Maximus faced off against Trypticon, Windblade and the others split up to work as a distraction; however, Trypticon ate Victorion, much to Windblade's horror. Trypticon used the Enigma to control the remaining Combiners into attacking Maximus, and when Windblade attempted to shoot them off, she herself was shot down by Computron. She was forced instead to once again convince Megatron to help out, for which he demanded a favor in exchange. {{storylink|Consumed}} The battle abruptly ended when Trypticon ate Perceptor, and the [[Matrix of Leadership]] which Perceptor was carrying rejected him. Once Trypticon expired, Windblade and the others were treated to an appearance by [[The Fallen|Megatronus]], who terminated Optimus before leaving with the Matrix and Enigma. Windblade was inclined to agree with Menasor's plan to kill Megatron, as he appeared to have betrayed them, but he convinced them that they instead needed to work together to face this new threat. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}}

Still indebted to Megatron for saving Fortress Maximus, Windblade followed him to [[Primal Swamp]] in search of the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]]. While searching, their group were attacked by the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. Windblade tussled with [[Slag (G1)|Slug]] before managing to toss him aside, only for the five to combine into [[Volcanicus (POTP)|Volcanicus]]. {{storylink|The Swamp}} She attempted to combat the Combiner, but he laid her out flat with one punch. Before he could finish her off, he was attacked by [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], who soon turned on Windblade and the others as well. {{storylink|Volcanicus (episode)|Volcanicus}} She held her own against Predaking, attacking until he released the captive Victorion, prompting her and the others to make their escape. All of them came to a halt, however, as they watched Megatron enter a strange dome. {{storylink|Without Warning}} As they waited, Predaking began attacking again. Windblade attempted to stop him, but was shot down. She recovered as Megatron emerged from the dome, Blaster in hand, and they discussed their next course of action. {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}}
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Following Megatron's lead, Windblade and the others traveled to [[Cataclysm Tundra]]. Though still unsure of Megatron's good intentions, [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] reassured her of his honesty as they located the entrance to the [[Athenaeum Sanctorum]]. As they began doing research, they were interrupted by [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]] and Hot Rod, now redubbed Rodimus Cron. {{storylink|Athenaeum Sanctorum (episode)|Athenaeum Sanctorum}} Windblade did her best to fight against the two, calling Primal a coward when she caught him trying to escape with the Requiem Blaster. As Rodimus prepared to finish Megatron, Windblade stepped into his path to protect Megatron, but Rodimus began strangling her instead. She attempted to reach any remaining trace of the old Hot Rod, but the [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] within assured her there was nothing left and tossed aside her unresponsive body. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}} When she came to, Megatron had destroyed Overlord with the Requiem Blaster. Megatron thanked her for saving him, saying they were square, as did Primal for stopping him from retreating. When Megatronus arrived to take back the Blaster, she tried to stop him, but was powerless against the Fallen as he and Rodimus escaped. Though she continued to believe Hot Rod could be saved, the others convinced her that if the time came, they might need to destroy him. After a speech encouraging Megatron to lead them, she and the others headed for the [[Well of All Sparks|Well of Sparks]]. {{storylink|Consequences}}
[[File:POTP-Ep10-Saga's-End-Windblade-and-Emissary-new-Cityspeakers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|left]]

In spite of being weakened by Megatronus's weapon, Windblade and the others reached the Well. She attempted to draw Megatronus's fire, but she was shot down and very nearly perished if not for Optimus Primal's intervention. Ultimately, she and the others were engulfed in Megatronus's flames, unable to fight back. {{storylink|Collision Course}} When the flames finally died down, Windblade nearly passed out, but finally got to her feet and resumed attacking the device, now less affected by Megatronus's shots thanks to his weakening state. After watching Primal transform into Optimal Optimus, she and the others tackled Megatron to prevent him from reclaiming the Enigma and Blaster. {{storylink|Megatronus Unleashed}} She helped restrain Rodimus, allowing Optimal to remove the [[Matrix of Conquest|Matrix of Chaos]] from him and return him to Hot Rod. When Unicron tried to take control of Megatron, necessitating they both be killed, she desperately sought another solution. Finding none, she was left to mourn her friend's sacrifice. She was, however, overjoyed to see Optimus Prime revived from the dead as a result of their efforts. In the aftermath of the incident, Windblade was named Magistrate of Cityspeakers and worked to coordinate the efforts of all those who communicated with the Titans. {{storylink|Saga's End}}
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===Transformers social media content===
[[File:Facebook-DatingProfiles.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Darn it Starscream]]
Windblade was unimpressed by Starscream's online dating profile.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/videos/1625292087540979/ Dating Profiles]</ref>
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===''All Spark'' comic===
Windblade was part of an Autobot team led by [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]] who helped [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] defeat [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]]. {{storylink|Looming Threat}}

===''Bumblebee'' graphic novels===
[[File:GoForTheGold-Windblade.jpg|thumb|left|200px|'Cause she's so hiiiiiii-i-iigh, high above me...]]
Windblade was one of a number of Autobots who took part in a battle over a fallen [[Cybertonium]] meteorite. Over the course of the struggle, she dogfought with [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] before spying some [[human]]s caught in the crossfire that [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] helped ferry to safety. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee - Go For the Gold|Go For the Gold}}

A few days later, Windblade was present aboard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' after Bumblebee returned to duty before flying out to survey the nearby coast for any signs of Decepticon activity. {{storylink|Transformers: Bumblebee - Win If You Dare|Win If You Dare}}

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===''Star Trek vs. Transformers''===
[[File:Star Trek Windblade.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]

When the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' departed Cybertron four million years ago, Windblade was among the Autobots who joined Optimus Prime aboard the ship, only for the vessel and its occupants to crash-land on prehistoric Earth alongside Megatron's Decepticons. When the two sides reawakened in the years before humanity's invention of warp travel, they secretly battled for control of Earth's resources... until the outbreak of the [[Eugenics Wars]] and [[World War III]] prompted the Autobots to flee aboard the Titan [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] and travel the [[Milky Way]] in search of energon, unaware that the Decepticons had given chase aboard their ''own'' Titan, [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]].

[[File:PrimesDirectivePart1-Autobots.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

After decades of travel, the Decepticons caught up with their quarry over the barren moon of [[Cygnus Seven]]; when Megatron and his forces attempted to board their ship, Fortress Maximus crashed into the planetoid, knocking everyone aboard into [[stasis lock]]. There they remained for two hundred years, dormant until Cygnus Seven was colonized by the [[Federation]], and a team of [[dilithium]] miners accidentally stumbled on the alien ship and triggered its repair protocols. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Two}}

After first reawakening the Decepticons, the still-dormant Maximus then reactivated the Autobots, with Prime immediately going forth to confront the Decepticons. The other Autobots came online shortly after [[James T. Kirk|Captain Kirk]] and his away team investigated the mineshaft; aware of the dangers that humanity posed to their kind, they demanded to know Prime's location. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part One}} The Autobots initially tried to subdue the [[Starfleet]] personnel until Kirk was able to convince them of their good intentions, but after the two parties agreed to an alliance the Decepticons bombarded the mineshaft, sealing them in. Undaunted, [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] hatched a plan to bring Fortress Maximus back online. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Two}}

[[File:PrimesDirective3-insidefortmax.jpg|thumb|right|300px|"Do you guys have a self-destruct code? Like 'destruct sequence 1-A, 2-B, 3-'" <br> "Thanks a lot, Takei, now ''everybody'' knows!"]]

A doubtful Windblade watched as Ratchet assembled a device that would bring Fortress Maximus back into fighting shape by analyzing Kirk's own memories for a suitable shape, but despite her worries over Kirk's mental fortitude the device was indeed able to reconfigure Maximus's alternate mode into a copy of the starship ''[[USS Enterprise|Enterprise]]'', allowing him to burst free from the ground—just in time to rescue Optimus, [[Spock]], and [[Scotty]] from a group of [[Kuri]]'s group of Decepticon-allied [[Klingon]]s. With [[Hikaru Sulu]] riding in her cockpit, the pair engaged [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] and [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]], before the arrival of a similarly rejuvenated Trypticon in the form of a Klingon [[Warbird (Star Trek)|warbird]] eventually prompted the Autobot Titan to transform into the mighty "Fortress Tiberius." {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Three}}

Regrouping with [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and the other Autobots, Windblade watched as the two Titans battled it out... before the conspicuous absence of Starscream prompted Megatron to abruptly retreat. Windblade correctly deduced that Starscream had stolen a load of dilithium and blasted off in search of a world to claim as his own, and Kirk beamed the heroes aboard Fortress Tiberius to give chase, first rendezvousing with the damaged ''Enterprise'' and beaming the Autobots over to the starship. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Four}}

[[File:PrimesDirective5-autobots.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

After some deliberation, Kirk opted to pursue Starscream, with the two ships breaching the [[Neutral Zone]] to reach [[Klingon]] homeworld of [[Kronos]], capital of the [[Klingon Empire]], only to learn that Megatron and his loyal Decepticons had wrested Kronos from Starscream, intent on turning the world into the capital of a new [[Decepticon Empire]]. Joined by a series of [[Crewbot|armored battlesuits]], the Autobots and their [[Starfleet]] allies took on the Decepticons with the help of Kuri and his Klingons, but were laid low by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]'s deployment of a paralyzing counterfrequency. Fortunately, Soundwave had reckoned without the Klingons being ''immune'' to said signal, and the Decepticons were summarily ambushed and defeated by the Klingon armada.

In the aftermath, Windblade and the other Autobots opted to continue travelling the universe aboard Fortress Tiberius, but pledged to assist the Federation should Kirk or the crew of the ''Enterprise'' ever require their assistance again. {{storylink|Prime's Directive, Part Five}}

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===2019 IDW continuity===
{{first|[[The World In Your Eyes Part One|''Transformers'' #1]]}}
[[File:TheWorldInYourEyesPartOne-windblade.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
A member of Cybertron's [[Security Operations]], {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part One}} Windblade was present at [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s forging ceremony, eventually becoming good friends with him. {{storylink|Wannabee, Part 2}} Upon meeting [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]], Windblade assumed, like everyone else, that he was Bumblebee repainted, feeling that the colours didn't work on her friend. {{storylink|Wannabee, Part 1}} Windblade remained close to Bumblebee after he left Security Operations to pursue a career in search and rescue. One evening, she encountered him and the newly forged [[Rubble]] on a tour of Cybertron, scaring off a [[Voin]] scavenger along the way. She accompanied them to an energon station run by [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]], only to find signs of sabotage... and Brainstorm's dead body. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part One}} She was subsequently joined by Security Operations head [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to scope out the crime scene, though their investigation turned up no new leads. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Two}}

At Chromia's request, Windblade directed Bumblebee to the [[Senate]] building. Being left to walk Rubble home, Windblade assured the newborn that, due to the [[Nominus Edict]] and its rare forgings, it was Bumblebee who was worried that he was failing Rubble. When the two arrived at Rubble's quarters, they found Chromia and [[Geomotus]] waiting for Windblade. After assuring Rubble that she'd catch up with him later, Windblade followed the two out, angry at Chromia surreptitiously installing a tracker in Rubble's communicator. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Three}} In the Badlands, the group came across [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], Windblade wrestling him down for a conversation, with Chromia ordering him to report to [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] next cycle. {{storylink|The World In Your Eyes Part Four}}

Soon afterwards, tragedy struck when Rubble was found to have been murdered. Catching up with Bumblebee, Windblade assured her friend that it wasn't his fault before the two sat in silence. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part One}}

After Cyclonus had directed Chromia to a [[The Rise|Rise]] base beneath the [[Memorial Crater]], Windblade joined her and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] in the raid, only to find the facility had been abandoned. As Chromia tried to hack the computers, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]] attacked. Though Windblade managed to impale him, he shook both off and managed to escape, priming the base's self-destruct, with Windblade unable to escape the explosion in time. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Three}} Clinging to life, Windblade was brought back to Iacon and placed in a [[CR chamber|CR Tank]] {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Four}} Bumblebee later came to visit his friend where he was found by [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Orion Pax]]. {{storylink|The Cracks Beneath Your Feet Part Five}} A later examination by [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] showed her to be a few cycles away from rebooting. {{storylink|The Change In Your Nature Part One}}

Windblade awoke to a grim situation, the [[Tether]] having fallen onto Cybertron as a result of a Rise attack. Called into action by [[Firestar (G1)|Novastar]], Windblade was partnered up with [[Blades (G1)|Blades]]. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: All Fall Down|All Fall Down}}

After Bumblebee had been relieved of his mission to infiltrate the Ascenticons, Windblade came to check up on him before a massive [[hologram]] of Megatron interrupted their talk. Windblade was later called into action to engage a Riser group in the hinterlands. Windblade tried to shoot down [[Triggerhappy (G1)|Triggerhappy]] only to be left in the dust by his speed before she just dodged [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: Tremors|Tremors}} Sixshot was a major threat for Security, and he pointedly refused to let Windblade stab him again. Still, the colossal [[Leviathan]] provided aid to Security, and Sixshot fled with the Rise members he could save. Quake was taken into custody, but Windblade and Springer remained behind to watch over the injured Leviathan until repair services could reach her. {{storylink|Rise of the Decepticons: Prisoners|Prisoners}}

As the Senate fell to the renamed Decepticon faction, members of the Rise traveled to the Winged Moon in an attempt to lay claim to its energon. Windblade and Novastar's unit flew out to intercept them. A battle erupted, but engineers loyal to the old government destroyed the energon stores to keep the Rise from taking them. Windblade and her team rescued the engineers and brought them home from the now useless moon. {{storylink|War World: Moon|Moon}} Those who opposed the Decepticons gathered under the leadership of Senator Orion Pax, who claimed the Matrix when First Senator Sentinel Prime was killed. They fled to [[Crystal City]] and declared themselves united as the Autobot faction. When it was discovered [[Termagax]] held the [[Enigma of Combination]] out near the Sea of Rust, Windblade was one of the Autobots who flew out to protect her from the Decepticons. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust I|Sea of Rust I}} The rest of Novastar's unit and Pyra Magna's Companions soon joined them aboard Sky Lynx, building a perimeter of fire and trenches in advance of the arrival of the Decepticons. When the battle was joined, Windblade provided air cover for the Autobots. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Sea of Rust II|Sea of Rust II}} Unfortunately, the Enigma was lost to the Sea of Rust during the conflict, leaving neither side with the advantage. {{storylink|Lord of Misrule: Enigmatic|Enigmatic}}

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===''My Little Pony/Transformers''===
[[File:TheFlyinFoxTrot-Autobots.jpg|thumb|right|250px|"This could be the most one-sided fight since 1973, when Ali faced an 80-foot-tall mechanical Joe Frazier. My memory's not what it used to be, but I think the entire Earth was destroyed."]]

While battling for control of a malfunctioning [[Space bridge|spacebridge]], Windblade was among the many Cybertronians [[magic]]ally transported to [[Equestria]] by [[Queen Chrysalis]]. She received an SOS from Optimus Prime and Bumblebee but noted that she would be unable to provide aerial rescue, instead coming face to face with some confused [[Wonderbolt]]s. {{storylink|Transformation Is Magic}}

Continuing to prowl the skies, Windblade quickly found a kindred spirit in [[Rainbow Dash]]. When the two decided on an Autobot/Equestrian race, Windblade called in [[Battle Unicorn]] and [[Mach Kick]] to handle the ground portion while she raced Rainbow Dash. Though she initially held the lead, the race was crashed by [[Misfire (G1)|Misfire]] and his [[Rainmaker]]s. Encouraged by Rainbow Dash to use speed to counter their numbers, the two friends managed to turn the Decepticons' own [[missile]]s against them. With their foes defeated, the two agreed to call it a tie. {{storylink|The Flyin' Fox Trot}}

Windblade was later part of the force that defended the [[Crystal Empire]] from the Decepticons and changelings, later returning to Cybertron. {{storylink|Finale (Friendship in Disguise!)|Finale}}
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===''Transformers vs. The Terminator''===
One of the many dormant Autobots aboard the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] tried to repair the damaged Windblade before the [[T-800]] remotely destroyed the Autobot vessel and everyone aboard. {{storylink|Enemy of My Enemy Part Three}}

==Games==
===''Transformers Legends''===
Windblade and [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] were dispatched from the ''[[Lost Light]]'' to explore a distant planet. There they met a group of Decepticons, and joined forces with them to battle their mutual foes, the Ammonites. Though several Ammonite attacks were thwarted by the alliance, soon differing opinions caused infighting in the group. Eventually, both the Ammonites and the Decepticons were defeated, and the two Autobots returned to their spaceship. {{storylink|Into the Abyss}}

===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
{{main|Silver#As Windblade}}
Windblade appears as a character unlockable in Challenge Events. She is portrayed by the newest bird of the flock, Silver. Ironically both are new to there series. She also appears as an [[Silver#As Energon Windblade|Energon version]]. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Windblade.jpg|thumb|thumb|upright=2]]
Windblade participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of her! She was an Epic character who could be recruited by collecting 500 units of Cybermetal, 250 units of Transmetal, and 50 cores of this character. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:Windblade-Earth-Wars.jpg|thumb|upright=2|I think Windlade joined the Dark Side]]
{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}
*'''Class:''' Special
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star (was 3 star)
*'''Weaponry:''' Wind has a rifle she fires a few shots from before slashing a target with her sword.
*'''Ability: Quick Strike:''' - Fires 6 rockets at a target, then lands nearby an empty space and engages it!
**'''Cost:''' 5 ability points +2 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:windblade Windblade at Transformers : Earth Wars Wiki]

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===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:Windblade-Forged-to-Fight.jpg|thumb|upright=2|Nice Sword]]
Windblade was one of the Autobots pulled from [[The Transformers (franchise)|her universe]] by the [[Quintesson]]s and forced to fight. She eventually joins the [[You|Commander]]. There are at least a few of her running around! {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight}}

[[File:ForgedToFight-Windbladepromo.jpg|thumb|left|250px]|She can defeat Cybertronians, but can she defeat AIRMAN?]]

A controlled Windblade was under the tutelage of Bludgeon. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|The Way of the Blade}} Windblade was again exposed to a refined strain of Dark Energon as a test by the Quintesson Scientist, hearing deafening voices in her head. Optimus urged her to focus and overcome the Dark Energon's effects of amplifying her cityspeaking ability, but she said the voices compelled her to focus on his destruction. She believed the spirits of the Titans demanded retribution for the wars and destruction wrought by Optimus. Optimus again urged her to resist the figments of her delusion, but she sought vengeance. Oddly, the Commander had a final showdown with Mirage instead of her. {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|Voices}}
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==Toys==
===''Generations''===
[[File:Generationstoy-Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Built by the fans, for the fans, and... incorporating fans.]]
*'''Windblade''' (Deluxe Class, 2014)
**'''30 OF 30'''
**''Series / Number'': '''02 / #019'''
**''Accessories'': "[[Stormfall Sword]]", scabbard, tessen

:Part of the tenth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations#T30|Generations]]'' Deluxe Class toys, ''Thrilling 30'' Windblade transforms from a jet with tilting, spinning VTOL fans and fold in front landing gear, into a robot with 'facepaint' evocative of Japanese {{w|Kabuki}} theatre makeup. She comes with the Stormfall Sword, a translucent blade with a turbine at the hilt, which she can hold via its [[5 mm post]]. The sword sheathes into the included scabbard, which can be held or tabbed onto slots on her thighs and back/cockpit sides, as well as be stored underneath her jet mode. Her headdress can also detach and be used as a "tessen" fan. A port under her nosecone is compatible with some action figure stands.

:She comes packaged with a copy of "[[Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8]]", and has a designated number as part of the ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' celebration.

:Care must be taken when detaching her headdress, as its painted ''and'' clear-plastic nature makes it very tight and susceptible to breakage. It must be pulled/wiggled '''back''', not pulled up as the [[instructions]] say. Due to a combination of back-heavy kibble and weak swivel tolerances on her heels and hip joints, getting Windblade to stand can often prove difficult, as she will often collapse when trying.

:She was retooled to create ''Legends'' [[Slipstream (Animated)#Legends|Slipstream]], who was then redecoed into [[BotCon 2016]] souvenir [[Airazor (BW)#Generations|Airazor]]. This mold also served as the basis of the non-toy ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Stiletto (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Stiletto]] and the ''[[Transformers: Combiner Wars (cartoon)|Combiner Wars]]'' character [[Maxima]].

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/GenWindblade/windblade.htm More information on Windblade at TFU.info]''

===''Legends''===
[[File:Legends Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Better red than dead.]]
*'''Windblade''' ([[February 14]], [[2015]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LG12'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword, scabbard, tessen

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Windblade is a redeco of ''Thrilling 30'' Deluxe Class Windblade with various changes in color layout, mostly in [[Alternate mode|vehicle mode]] which features much more red. Her wings and much of her fuselage are cast in red, pushing most of the black to her tail section and some highlights such as around the VTOL fans. Her nosecone features more extensive white paint and some new yellow eye-like markings on her nosecone, as well as a translucent dark blue canopy. In [[robot mode]] she has some changes to be more comic-accurate, like a slightly different hue of her Stormfall blade, red pelvis with black upper legs and much more accurate facepaint.

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[[File:TF-Legends-LG-62-Targetmaster-Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Pinpointer? I barely knew 'er! (I'm sorry)]]
*'''Targetmaster Windblade''' ([[February 24]], [[2018]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''LG62'''
**''Accessories:'' Sword, scabbard, Headmaster, [[Pinpointer (G1)#Legends|Pointech]] Targetmaster partner

:The second ''Legends'' figure of Windblade is a redeco of her ''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class figure, once again featuring paint apps and plastic color changes that make her resemble her comic coloration a bit better. Among these are added blue paint apps on her brow with a less blank stare looking face paint, a white nosecone and VTOL fans, completely black shoulders, and black knees with blue highlights (similar to those seen in her character art at the top of the page). Interestingly enough her blue collar is translucent blue plastic with silver painted underneath, creating a layered effect, rather than directly painted blue like the Titans Return version. Windblade ditches the Titan Master-compatible swords in exchange for a sword and scabbard similar, if not identical, to her ''Thrilling 30''/''Legends'' one. She also gains a Targetmaster partner that uses the same transformation scheme as [[Recoil (G1)#Legends|Recoil]], but is decoed to resemble [[Pinpointer (G1)#Legends|Pinpointer/Pointech]]. Her Headmaster gimmick remains intact with additional paint apps on the mini figure's arms and shins.
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===''Combiner Wars''===
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[[File:Transformers-SDCC-Combiner-Hunters-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!]]
*'''Combiner Hunters''' (Multi-pack, [[July 9]], 2015)
**''Accessories'': "Stormfall Sword," scabbard, tessen, Spectrospear

:The ''Combiner Hunters'' [[redeco]] of Windblade not only has many of her coloring details changed, but in fact mostly stands out for its new accessory: a gigantic [[Spectrospear]] pole-arm which is taller than Windblade herself. The tooling for this weapon was originally used for the 16"-tall electronic version of ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' ''[[Titan Heroes]]'' [[Bumblebee (WFC)/toys|Bumblebee]].

:This version of Windblade was only available in a [[giftset|gift set]] together with ''Combiner Hunters'' redecos of ''Generations'' [[Arcee (G1)/toys#CHunters|Arcee]] and [[Chromia (G1)#CHunters|Chromia]], each with their own giant new melee weapons. In the U.S., this set was [[exclusive]] to the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website and the Hasbro Toy Shop booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2015. In Asia, it was also available at Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong 2015 and subsequently stocked by Toys"R"Us Hong Kong. Later, it was also available at The Falcon's Hangar booth at Singapore Toy, Game & Comic Convention 2015.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2015/Autobot/SDCCWindblade/windblade.htm More information on ''Combiner Hunters'' Windblade at TFU.info]''

===''Titans Return''===
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[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Titan-Force-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And next year, Hasbro will release a ''different'' version of me in an exclusive three pack.]]
*'''Titan Force''' (Multi-pack, [[July 21]], [[2016]])
**''Accessories:'' Sword, Sheath, Tessen

:Titan Force Windblade is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 toyline)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Windblade (RID)#Warrior|Warrior Class Windblade]] in a colour scheme reminiscent of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. She was only available in a [[giftset|gift set]] together with ''Titan Force'' redecoes of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#SDCC2016|Sentinel Prime]] and [[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Brainstorm]],

:In the United States, this set was [[exclusive]] to the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website and the Hasbro Toy Shop booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2016. In the United Kingdom, it was exclusive to the A1 Toys website and their booth at London Film & Comic Con 2016 (with Brainstorm renamed into "Charon" for [[trademark]] reasons); in China, it was exclusive to Cybertron Con Shanghai; in Hong Kong, it was exclusive to Animation-Comic-Game 2016; and in Canada, it was exclusive to the HasbroStore booth at Fan Expo 2016.

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[[File:TitansReturn-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|And then Hasbro said, "Wait, we can make ''anyone'' into Titan Masters?"]]
*'''Scorchfire & Windblade''' (Deluxe Class, [[2017]])
**''Accessories'': Swords, [[Scorchfire#Generations|Scorchfire]] Titan Master

: Windblade is an extensive [[retool]] of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Deluxe Class [[Highbrow (G1)#Titans Return|Highbrow]] (who was already an extensive retool of the same line's [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Scourge]], the three only sharing the innermost torso assemblies and the upper legs, and Windblade has Highbrow's heels for feet), transforming into a VTOL jet. She comes with the [[Titan Master]] [[Scorchfire#Toys|Scorchfire]], who fits into her vehicle mode cockpit and transforms into her robot mode head. As with other ''Titans Return'' toys, Windblade can accommodate any Titan Master figure in both robot and vehicle mode. Windblade's two swords can stow under her wings or combine into a larger weapon/Titan Master vehicle which can also attach just behind the cockpit in jet mode. Under the seat on each sword is also a silver-painted tab that can tab into the slots on her thighs.
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==Merchandise==
===McDonald's===
[[File:2018-McD-Authentics-Bumblebee-Windblade.jpg|upright=1.22|thumb]]
*'''Windblade''' (Happy Meal Toy, 2018)
:Released as part of the [[McDonald's]] June 2018 Happy Meal Toys along with [[My Little Pony]], this Windblade is a [[super deformed]] toy with a big head. Her [[gimmick]] is that she has a button on her back that, when you push it, turns her turbines.

:The toy was available in South Korea, Italy, Russia, and Malaysia. This toy was rereleased in the US for the ''[[Bumblebee (franchise)|Bumblebee]]'' promotion, thus creating [[Windblade (BB)#McDonald's|a new character]].
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===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W2Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Windblade, Combiner Hunter''' (2019)
**'''Wave 2: Rise of the Combiners'''
**''Rarity: '''''SRT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T46/T46'''
**''Stars: ''12

:Windblade, Combiner Hunter is one of forty-six character cards released in Wave 2 of the ''[[Transformers Trading Card Game]]'', Rise of the Combiners.

:The artwork for the card is based on the Windblade figure included in the [[San Diego Comic-Con|SDCC 2015]] exclusive ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Combiner Hunters box set.

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[[File:W2SWindbladeDOT.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Windblade, Defender of Truth''' (2019)
**'''Wave 2S: Bumblebee vs. Megatron Starter Set'''
**''Rarity: '''''RT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T04/T04'''
**''Stars: ''5

:Windblade, Defender of Truth was released as part of the ''Transformers Trading Card Game'''s Bumblebee vs. Megatron Starter Set. The card was packaged alongside [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], Least Likely, Most Dangerous, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], Cybertronian Tyrant, Decepticon Lieutenant, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], Decepticon Lieutenant, and a 40 card ready-to-play deck of Battle Cards.

:The line-art for the card was drawn by [[Dan Khanna]]
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===''Mighty Muggs''===
[[File:MightyMuggs 2018 Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.44|The big red gap on her mouth is actually her lip]]
*'''Windblade''' ([[2019]])
**''ID number:'' '''06'''

: Part of the second wave of the 2018 [[Mighty Muggs]] relaunch, Windblade features sculpted turbine wings and a helmet that can be pressed down to change her expression. She features three different faces: neutral, appalled, and gleeful.
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===Figural Bag Clip===
[[File:FiguralBagClip Windblade.jpg|upright=1.22|thumb]]
*'''Windblade''' (Figural Bag Clip, 2020)
:Released by Monogram, this 2.5" 3D foam bag clip takes the form of a chibi Windblade.

:It was available only as part of a [[Blindpacking|mystery blind bag]] collection.
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===Furai Model===
[[File:Furai-Model-Windblade.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Windblade''' (2022)
**''Number'': 20
**''Additional parts/accessories'': 1 pair of sword-holding hands, 1 pair of open-palm hands, sword.
:Produced by [[Flame Toys]], ''Furai Model'' Windblade is a Voyager Class-sized {{w|Gunpla}}-style model kit. Using parts made of hard ABS plastic and some polycaps, She features a rather...unique stylized design that consists of a human-like female body designed by [[Ban]] (ばん!), a designer for very NSFW PVC statues. She comes with two additional pair of hands and a sword.

:For straight-assembly builders, Windblade features a sheet of foil stickers for detail (notably the wings), though the kit can be panel-lined and touched-up with several panel-lining and paint markers (GSI Creos' ''Gundam'' Marker is recommended). If one desires; the kit's pieces, aside from the translucent parts, can be fully coated with spray paints to recreate the finished sample seen in the stock photos.

:After the prototype's reveal, the model kit also generated a fair number of controversies regarding her curvy proportions, notably her well-endowed rear skidplates. The official Facebook and Twitter pages later removed the prototype pics and posted an updated design on their Twitter page in late July 2020.

:Initially set for a November 2021 release, Windblade was delayed to January 2022.
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==Notes==
[[File:Windblade concept.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The face of [[democracy]].]]

*Windblade is the first "officially fan-created" Transformer ever, the culmination of [[Hasbro]]'s "[[Fan polls|Fan Built Bot]]" initiative program. Two polls on Hasbro's official website allowed fans to determine her character and physical traits (well, ''most'' of her traits - her [[Japan]]ese motifs ''weren't'' an option in the poll and seem to be the work of the design team).
**From [[April 18]]th to [[May 5]]th, 2013,<ref>http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648</ref> fans decided her faction (Autobot over Decepticon), alternate mode (jet over car, truck, tank, spaceship, terran beast [land], avian beast [airborne], helicopter, motorcycle, and construction), signature weapon (sword over blaster cannon, flame thrower, mace, spear/harpoon, morning star, Cybertronian taser, nunchucks, crossbow, and long-range blaster), color scheme (red & black over green & gold, blue & silver, orange & white, or purple & bronze) and personality (valiant over sneaky, hotshot, secretive, wild man, and grumpy).<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
**From [[May 10]]th to [[May 17]]th, fans voted on name (Windblade over Autobot Eclipse, Charon, Centuritron, Cashtron, Autobot Wraith), gender (female over male), origin (from Kaon over Iacon, Altihex, Kalis, and Praxus) and specialty (telepath over combat medic, bodyguard, recon, and close combat specialist).<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
**Subsequently, Windblade was revealed at [[San Diego Comic-Con|San Diego Comic-Con 2013]], where concept sketches of her (and the piece of finished art to the right) were part of the ''Transformers'' brand presentation.
**Some of the concepts that fans voted for were tweaked or outright dropped when Windblade made her official debut. Rather than hailing from Kaon, she originated on the planet Caminus. Instead of being broadly telepathic, Windblade's job was being a cityspeaker for Metroplex.
*Concept sketches at San Diego Comic-Con showed that European knight (with visor, arm shield, and fencing foil-esque sword) and Roman warrior (with twin swords) concepts for Windblade were considered before her Japanese stylings were finalized. A different pre-production sketch gave her a Japanese hand-fan weapon in addition to her sword. Speaking of her Japanese motifs, her finalized helmet was apparently designed to resemble the hairstyle commonly worn by the ''{{w|onna bugeisha}}'', the upper-class warrior-women of feudal Japan.
*At [[Toy Fair 2014]], Windblade was noted as being the handiwork of designer [[Lenny Panzica]], who put "probably five times as much energy" into her as the rest of his workload. A [https://www.facebook.com/transformers/posts/723592181044312 gallery] of his work was posted by Hasbro on Facebook.
*Her name works on many levels: "Wind Blade" is a real variety of industrial fan blade; she turns into a jet with VTOL turbofans; Hasbro designers had said they envisioned her coursing more energy into her sword blade through a spinning turbine fan in the hilt; she has a tessen, or iron fan; and, of course, she was the fans' choice character.
*Like all non-toy robot Kreons in the ''Kre-O'' manga, Windblade is made from existing ''Kre-O'' parts. She uses the [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Mirage]] helmet, the [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Kre-O|Starscream]] wing-pack and the curved blade first used by [[Insecticon (WFC)#Kre-O|Insecticon]] and [[Rampage (G1)#Kre-O|Rampage]].
*According to [[Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook issue 3|''Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook'' #3]], Windblade is 26 feet tall and weighs 8 tons.<ref>For reference, this equals 7.9 metres and 7.3 metric tonnes.</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Windblade''' (ウインドブレード ''Uindoburēdo'')
*''Mandarin:'' '''Fēngrèn''' (China, 风刃, "Windblade")

==See also==
{{OtherVersions
|charname=Windblade
|disambig=Windblade (disambiguation)
|body=
*[[Windblade (RID)|Windblade]], the Autobot on a mission from [[Primus|God]] from the [[Aligned continuity family]].
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]], the protective friend to [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] from ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''.}}

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*{{i|Windblade}} at the IDW Hasbro Wiki

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Fan polls

2022-04-14T03:35:13Z

VidaEeviee: Finally finished up this page until the next poll, yay!

Starting in [[2013]], nearly-annual polls have been run by [[Hasbro]] or [[TakaraTomy]] for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Thus far, 10 polls have been held. The first, Hasbro-initiated two were '''Fan Built Bot''' polls resulting in the creation of a new fan-influenced character and toy, while later polls are more "Which character do you want the most?"

==2013 (1)==
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="100%"
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!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Car
*Truck
*Tank
*'''Jet'''
*Spaceship
*Terran Beast (Land)
*Avian Beast (Airborne)
*Helicopter
*Motorcycle
*Construction
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Blaster Cannon
*Flame Thrower
*'''Sword'''
*Mace
*Spear/Harpoon
*Morningstar
*Cybertronian Taser
*Nunchucks
*Crossbow
*Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Red & Black'''
*Green & Gold
*Blue & Silver
*Orange & White
*Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Valiant'''
*Sneaky
*Hotshot
*Secretive
*Wildman
*Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and included four more questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
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!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Autobot Eclipse
*Charon
*Centuritron
*Cashtron
*'''Windblade'''
*Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''<ref>This aspect of the character notably did not come through in her comic appearances, due to the prior lack of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in the [[2005 IDW continuity]]; instead, [[The Transformers: Windblade|the comic focused on her]] portrayed her as being from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]].</ref>
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Altihex]]
*[[Kalis]]
*[[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Combat Medic
*Bodyguard
*Recon
*'''Telepath'''
*Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with her toy subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]]. Windblade obtained a [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|toy]] in the 10th wave of [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' toys; she also starred in a [[The Transformers: Windblade|4-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]], which was later revived as an ongoing series.

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'', and the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

==2013 (2)==
To commemorate the Tranformers 30th anniversary, TakaraTomy held a poll in Japan from [[June 18]]th<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-30th-anniversary-website-now-live-masterpiece-fans-choice-details/27607 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 1]</ref> to [[September 8]]th<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-voting-extended-to-september-6th/28207 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 2]</ref> to determine which Autobot or Maximal leader would get a new toy in the prestigious ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toyline.
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Ginrai (robot)|God]] [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]]
*[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)| Beast Convoy]]
*[[Lio Convoy]]
*[[Big Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Convoy (''Legends of the Microns'')]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Grand Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Galaxy Convoy]]
|}

==2014==
TakaraTomy ran a poll through through the first volume of [[Transformers Generations 2014]]. The poll ran until [[June 16]]th<ref>[http://snakas.blog95.fc2.com/blog-entry-3736.html Fan Poll 2014 Source]<ref>.
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] from [[Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|Generations Scourge]]
*[[The Fallen]] from [[Onslaught (WFC)#Generations|Generations Onslaught (Fall of Cybertron)]]
*[[Cordon|Sunstreaker Police Type]] from [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)| Universe (2008) Sunstreaker]]
*[[Smokescreen (G2)]] from [[Smokescreen (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Universe (2008) Smokescreen]]
*[[Drift (AOE)]] from [[Drift (G1)#Generations|Generations Drift]]
*[[Overdrive]] from [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Universe (2008) Silverstreak (Bluestreak)]]
*[[Downshift (G1)|Downshift]] from [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#Generations|Generations Wheeljack]]
*[[Camshaft (G1)|Camshaft]] from [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Universe Ironhide]]
*[[Silverbolt (Fuzor)]] from [[Grimwing (Prime)#Prime|Prime: Beast Hunters Grimwing]]
*'''[[Goshooter]] from [[Nightbeat (G1)#Generations|Thrilling 30 Nightbeat]]'''
|}

==2015 (1)==
The second set of polls was announced on [[January 15]], 2015, this time to create a whole new Combiner. The polling was done via the ''Transformers'' mobile app. The first set of polls began on [[January 25]]. Each limb was voted on individually. This poll infamously revealed the alternate modes for what would become ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Voyager Class [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Protectobot Hot Spot]] and Legends Class [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Protectobot Groove]] before those figures would be officially unveiled at [[Toy Fair 2015]].
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jets
*Truck and car
*'''Fire truck and motorcycle'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jet/Helicopter
*Truck
*Car
|}
Round 2 began on [[February 11]] and including picking more specific modes for the limbs, two of which had been selected as aerial vehicles, and two as cars.
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Limb #1/#2!!Limb #3/#4!!Origin!!Color scheme
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Bomber
*Recon Plane
*'''Helicopter'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Drag Racer
*'''Sports Car'''
*'''Race Car'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*'''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Blue/cyan/tan
*Orange/grey/blue
*'''Cyan/red/white'''
|}
A round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which power the Combiner would have.
{|class="wikitable" width="20%"
|-
!Power
|-
|
*[[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
*'''Gravity control'''
*Teleport
|}
The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]:
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Gender!!Name!!Personality!!Nemesis
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''Victorion'''
*Slammoth
*Quakebreak
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Loyal
*'''Independent'''
*Leader
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
*'''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}
[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, received a toy, then made her fictional debut in IDW Publishing's ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic before joining the main cast of [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] ongoing.

==2015 (2)==
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/hasbro-lets-you-decide-the-next-titan-for-2017/</ref> Voting began [[November 24]].<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/voting-for-the-2017-titan-transformer-is-now-open/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
*'''[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'''
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/12/trypticon-wins-titans-fan-vote/</ref>

==2017==
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and it regarded the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2016/12/power-of-the-primes-fan-vote-announced/</ref> which would reflect across the toyline and accompanying fiction.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Honor!!Order!!Chaos
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
*'''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
*'''Unknown Evil ([[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]])'''
|}

On [[February 19]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal ultimately placed first,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2017/02/power-of-the-primes-optimus-primal-new-prime/</ref> which led to him receiving [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a new toy]] in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' web series.

==2018 (1)==
The next fan poll was for a new rivalry that would earn a pair of new toys in the [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]] of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Saboteur vs Scientist!!Brother vs Brother!!Mirage vs The Mercenary
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] vs [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] vs [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] vs [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'''
|}

[[Hasbro Pulse]] put out a free poll which anybody who signed up could participate in. As stated by Hasbro Pulse, "For the first time fans can vote on a pair of characters who will become part of the Generations lineup as Deluxe Class figures."

On February 27, 2018, Hasbro announced that Mirage vs Impactor had won,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/02/war-for-cybertron-fan-poll-winner-announced/</ref> leading [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|to the duo]] [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|receiving new toys]] in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and as exclusive multi-pack new-head retools.

Oddly, despite losing the fan poll, Spinister still received a toy in Siege, and Wheeljack and Tracks got new Earth-mode figures in Earthrise and Kingdom, respectively.

==2018 (2)==
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-vote-announced/</ref><ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-poll-open-on-instagram/</ref>

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|-
!Autobot vs Decepticon!!Decepticon vs Decepticon
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
On [[December 15]], Hasbro announced that [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Astrotrain]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/astrotrain-wins-g1-reissue-vote/</ref>

==2019 (1)==
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2019/05/hasbro-launches-2020-g1-reissue-poll/ Hasbro Launches 2020 G1 Reissue Poll!]</ref>

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|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] had won, receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote]</ref>

==2019 (2)==
Starting [[June 13]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page held a poll to decide which of four Decepticons would appear in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-decepticon-fan-vote-live-now/43433/ 2020 WFC Trilogy poll]</ref>

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|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]]
*'''[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]
|}

The voting was open for 48 hours,<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2727924640611046 The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL]</ref> and on [[July 18]] a Facebook announcement <s>fixed Runamuck's name</s> proclaimed [[Runamuck (G1)#Generations|Runamuck]] the winner.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2819867618083414 The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure!]</ref> Perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#Generations|Runabout]] and ''Studio Series'' [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] soon followed.

==Notes==
*Many times, options that did not win their respective poll have received acknowledgement later down the road:
**After 2013's first poll, the name "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" was used for a new character and ''Generations'' toy, while "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" were later used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
**After 2013's second poll, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]]<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2013/11/19/star-saber-wins-the-takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-178798 Star Saber wins the Takara-Tomy Masterpiece Fan’s Choice Poll] at TFW2005</ref> later received their ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys in [[2016]] and [[2020]], respectively.
**After 2015's first poll, the name "Slammoth" was later used for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] while "Quakebreak" was used for the post-[[Shroud]] version of [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]].
**After 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#Generations|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received their ''Generations'' Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'', respectively.
**After 2017's poll, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received their "Evolution"-style Leader Class toys later on in ''Siege'', with the former receiving a redeco and retool for [[Netflix]] ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' and ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'', respectively.
**After 2018's first poll, [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in ''Siege'' anyway.<ref>[https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/ On June 26, 2019, Hasbro announced they were going to make Spinister @ Screenrant.com]</ref> [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] received their toy later on in ''Earthrise'' and a redeco for Netflix ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] later received their toy in ''Kingdom''.
**After both of 2018's polls, Skywarp and Needlenose were eligible again in the 2019 ''Vintage G1'' and ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' polls, respectively, though both once again lost.
**After 2019's second poll, [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''-style toy later on in ''[[Studio Series]]''.

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the first poll]
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the second poll]
*[http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here Hasbro Pulse announcement/vote on new rivalry]

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT especially for the guys who show up in all 3 shows or those don't have other bots who are completely different sharing the same name within the trilogy. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq our Discord server].

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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<div class="list-header">'''Moving From Wikia:'''</div>
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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT for the guys who show up in all 3 shows and don't have other bots who are complete different sharing the same name within the trilogy. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq our Discord server].

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Dragon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)
::Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead. :3 -- [[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 4:19AM, 11 April 2022 (PDT)

==Streamlining disambig headers (revist)==
So I remember this conversation from last year about streamlining the disambiguation headers. I checked back on the talk page discussion (link to said discussion archive here https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive69#Streamlining_disambig_headers) to see what happened and even though there was a lot of people who liked the idea with some who did not, it did not seem like it went anywhere. I thought I'd see if anyone else would like to revisit this idea as I feel like this would streamline things more, especially for Movie and Aligned and maybe a bit of UT. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 9:01 PM, 12 April 2022 (PDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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VidaEeviee:

Fan polls

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VidaEeviee:

Starting in [[2013]], nearly-annual polls have been run by [[Hasbro]] or [[TakaraTomy]] for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Thus far, 10 polls have been held. The first, Hasbro-initiated two were '''Fan Built Bot''' polls resulting in the creation of a new fan-influenced character and toy, while later polls are more "Which character do you want the most?"

==2013 (1)==
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="100%"
|-
!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Car
*Truck
*Tank
*'''Jet'''
*Spaceship
*Terran Beast (Land)
*Avian Beast (Airborne)
*Helicopter
*Motorcycle
*Construction
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Blaster Cannon
*Flame Thrower
*'''Sword'''
*Mace
*Spear/Harpoon
*Morningstar
*Cybertronian Taser
*Nunchucks
*Crossbow
*Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Red & Black'''
*Green & Gold
*Blue & Silver
*Orange & White
*Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Valiant'''
*Sneaky
*Hotshot
*Secretive
*Wildman
*Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and included four more questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Autobot Eclipse
*Charon
*Centuritron
*Cashtron
*'''Windblade'''
*Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''<ref>This aspect of the character notably did not come through in her comic appearances, due to the prior lack of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in the [[2005 IDW continuity]]; instead, [[The Transformers: Windblade|the comic focused on her]] portrayed her as being from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]].</ref>
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Altihex]]
*[[Kalis]]
*[[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Combat Medic
*Bodyguard
*Recon
*'''Telepath'''
*Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with her toy subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]]. Windblade obtained a [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|toy]] in the 10th wave of [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' toys; she also starred in a [[The Transformers: Windblade|4-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]], which was later revived as an ongoing series.

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'', and the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

==2013 (2)==
To commemorate the Tranformers 30th anniversary, TakaraTomy held a poll from [[June 18]]th <ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-30th-anniversary-website-now-live-masterpiece-fans-choice-details/27607 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 1]</ref> to [[September 8]]th <ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-voting-extended-to-september-6th/28207 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 2]</ref> to determine which Autobot or Maximal leader would get a new toy in the prestigious [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]] toyline.
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Ginrai (robot)|God]] [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]]
*[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)| Optimus Primal]]
*[[Lio Convoy]]
*[[Big Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Armada cartoon|Convoy (Legend of the Microns)]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Energon cartoon|Grand Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Galaxy Convoy]]
|}

==2014==
{{stub}}

==2015 (1)==
The second set of polls was announced on [[January 15]], 2015, this time to create a whole new Combiner. The polling was done via the ''Transformers'' mobile app. The first set of polls began on [[January 25]]. Each limb was voted on individually. This poll infamously revealed the alternate modes for what would become ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Voyager Class [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Protectobot Hot Spot]] and Legends Class [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Protectobot Groove]] before those figures would be officially unveiled at [[Toy Fair 2015]].
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jets
*Truck and car
*'''Fire truck and motorcycle'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jet/Helicopter
*Truck
*Car
|}
Round 2 began on [[February 11]] and including picking more specific modes for the limbs, two of which had been selected as aerial vehicles, and two as cars.
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Limb #1/#2!!Limb #3/#4!!Origin!!Color scheme
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Bomber
*Recon Plane
*'''Helicopter'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Drag Racer
*'''Sports Car'''
*'''Race Car'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*'''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Blue/cyan/tan
*Orange/grey/blue
*'''Cyan/red/white'''
|}
A round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which power the Combiner would have.
{|class="wikitable" width="20%"
|-
!Power
|-
|
*[[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
*'''Gravity control'''
*Teleport
|}
The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]:
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Gender!!Name!!Personality!!Nemesis
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''Victorion'''
*Slammoth
*Quakebreak
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Loyal
*'''Independent'''
*Leader
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
*'''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}
[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, received a toy, then made her fictional debut in IDW Publishing's ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic before joining the main cast of [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] ongoing.

==2015 (2)==
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/hasbro-lets-you-decide-the-next-titan-for-2017/</ref> Voting began [[November 24]].<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/voting-for-the-2017-titan-transformer-is-now-open/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
*'''[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'''
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/12/trypticon-wins-titans-fan-vote/</ref>

==2017==
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and it regarded the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2016/12/power-of-the-primes-fan-vote-announced/</ref> which would reflect across the toyline and accompanying fiction.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Honor!!Order!!Chaos
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
*'''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
*'''Unknown Evil ([[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]])'''
|}

On [[February 19]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal ultimately placed first,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2017/02/power-of-the-primes-optimus-primal-new-prime/</ref> which led to him receiving [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a new toy]] in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' web series.

==2018 (1)==
The next fan poll was for a new rivalry that would earn a pair of new toys in the [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]] of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Saboteur vs Scientist!!Brother vs Brother!!Mirage vs The Mercenary
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] vs [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] vs [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] vs [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'''
|}

[[Hasbro Pulse]] put out a free poll which anybody who signed up could participate in. As stated by Hasbro Pulse, "For the first time fans can vote on a pair of characters who will become part of the Generations lineup as Deluxe Class figures."

On February 27, 2018, Hasbro announced that Mirage vs Impactor had won,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/02/war-for-cybertron-fan-poll-winner-announced/</ref> leading [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|to the duo]] [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|receiving new toys]] in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and as exclusive multi-pack new-head retools.

Oddly, despite losing the fan poll, Spinister still received a toy in Siege, and Wheeljack and Tracks got new Earth-mode figures in Earthrise and Kingdom, respectively.

==2018 (2)==
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-vote-announced/</ref><ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-poll-open-on-instagram/</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Autobot vs Decepticon!!Decepticon vs Decepticon
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
On [[December 15]], Hasbro announced that [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Astrotrain]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/astrotrain-wins-g1-reissue-vote/</ref>

==2019 (1)==
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2019/05/hasbro-launches-2020-g1-reissue-poll/ Hasbro Launches 2020 G1 Reissue Poll!]</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] had won, receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote]</ref>

==2019 (2)==
Starting [[June 13]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page held a poll to decide which of four Decepticons would appear in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-decepticon-fan-vote-live-now/43433/ 2020 WFC Trilogy poll]</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]]
*'''[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]
|}

The voting was open for 48 hours,<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2727924640611046 The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL]</ref> and on [[July 18]] a Facebook announcement <s>fixed Runamuck's name</s> proclaimed [[Runamuck (G1)#Generations|Runamuck]] the winner.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2819867618083414 The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure!]</ref> Perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#Generations|Runabout]] and ''Studio Series'' [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] soon followed.

==Notes==
*Many times, options that did not win their respective poll have received acknowledgement later down the road:
**After 2013's first poll, the name "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" was used for a new character and ''Generations'' toy, while "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" were later used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
**After 2013's second poll, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]]<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2013/11/19/star-saber-wins-the-takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-178798 Star Saber wins the Takara-Tomy Masterpiece Fan’s Choice Poll] at TFW2005</ref> later received their ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys in [[2016]] and [[2020]], respectively.
**After 2015's first poll, the name "Slammoth" was later used for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] while "Quakebreak" was used for the post-[[Shroud]] version of [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]].
**After 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#Generations|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received their ''Generations'' Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'', respectively.
**After 2017's poll, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received their "Evolution"-style Leader Class toys later on in ''Siege'', with the former receiving a redeco and retool for [[Netflix]] ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' and ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'', respectively.
**After 2018's first poll, [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in ''Siege'' anyway.<ref>[https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/ On June 26, 2019, Hasbro announced they were going to make Spinister @ Screenrant.com]</ref> [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] received their toy later on in ''Earthrise'' and a redeco for Netflix ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] later received their toy in ''Kingdom''.
**After both of 2018's polls, Skywarp and Needlenose were eligible again in the 2019 ''Vintage G1'' and ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' polls, respectively, though both once again lost.
**After 2019's second poll, [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''-style toy later on in ''[[Studio Series]]''.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the first poll]
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the second poll]
*[http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here Hasbro Pulse announcement/vote on new rivalry]

[[Category:Hasbro]]

Fan polls

2022-04-12T04:58:08Z

VidaEeviee: Added the info for the second 2013 poll

Starting in [[2013]], nearly-annual polls have been run by [[Hasbro]] or [[TakaraTomy]] for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Thus far, 10 polls have been held. The first, Hasbro-initiated two were '''Fan Built Bot''' polls resulting in the creation of a new fan-influenced character and toy, while later polls are more "Which character do you want the most?"

==2013 (1)==
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="100%"
|-
!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
|-
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Car
*Truck
*Tank
*'''Jet'''
*Spaceship
*Terran Beast (Land)
*Avian Beast (Airborne)
*Helicopter
*Motorcycle
*Construction
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*Blaster Cannon
*Flame Thrower
*'''Sword'''
*Mace
*Spear/Harpoon
*Morningstar
*Cybertronian Taser
*Nunchucks
*Crossbow
*Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Red & Black'''
*Green & Gold
*Blue & Silver
*Orange & White
*Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Valiant'''
*Sneaky
*Hotshot
*Secretive
*Wildman
*Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and included four more questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Autobot Eclipse
*Charon
*Centuritron
*Cashtron
*'''Windblade'''
*Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''<ref>This aspect of the character notably did not come through in her comic appearances, due to the prior lack of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in the [[2005 IDW continuity]]; instead, [[The Transformers: Windblade|the comic focused on her]] portrayed her as being from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]].</ref>
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Altihex]]
*[[Kalis]]
*[[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Combat Medic
*Bodyguard
*Recon
*'''Telepath'''
*Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with her toy subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]]. Windblade obtained a [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|toy]] in the 10th wave of [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' toys; she also starred in a [[The Transformers: Windblade|4-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]], which was later revived as an ongoing series.

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'', and the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

==2013 (2)==
To commemorate the Tranformers 30th anniversary, TakaraTomy held a poll from [[June 18]]th <ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-30th-anniversary-website-now-live-masterpiece-fans-choice-details/27607 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 1]</ref> to [[September 8]]th <ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-voting-extended-to-september-6th/28207 TF 2013 (2) Fan Poll Source 2]</ref> to determine which Autobot or Maximal leader would get a new toy in the prestigious [[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]] toyline.
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Ginrai (robot)|God]] [[Ginrai (human)]]
*[[Dai Atlas (G1)|Dai Atlas]]
*[[Optimus Primal (BW)| Optimus Primal]]
*[[Lio Convoy]]
*[[Big Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (RID)|Fire Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Armada cartoon|Convoy (Legend of the Microns)]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Energon cartoon|Grand Convoy]]
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity#Cybertron cartoon|Galaxy Convoy]]
|}

==2014==
{{stub}}

==2015 (1)==
The second set of polls was announced on [[January 15]], 2015, this time to create a whole new Combiner. The polling was done via the ''Transformers'' mobile app. The first set of polls began on [[January 25]]. Each limb was voted on individually. This poll infamously revealed the alternate modes for what would become ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Voyager Class [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Protectobot Hot Spot]] and Legends Class [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Protectobot Groove]] before those figures would be officially unveiled at [[Toy Fair 2015]].
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jets
*Truck and car
*'''Fire truck and motorcycle'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jet/Helicopter
*Truck
*Car
|}
Round 2 began on [[February 11]] and including picking more specific modes for the limbs, two of which had been selected as aerial vehicles, and two as cars.
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Limb #1/#2!!Limb #3/#4!!Origin!!Color scheme
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Bomber
*Recon Plane
*'''Helicopter'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Drag Racer
*'''Sports Car'''
*'''Race Car'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*'''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Blue/cyan/tan
*Orange/grey/blue
*'''Cyan/red/white'''
|}
A round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which power the Combiner would have.
{|class="wikitable" width="20%"
|-
!Power
|-
|
*[[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
*'''Gravity control'''
*Teleport
|}
The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]:
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Gender!!Name!!Personality!!Nemesis
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''Victorion'''
*Slammoth
*Quakebreak
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Loyal
*'''Independent'''
*Leader
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
*'''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}
[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, received a toy, then made her fictional debut in IDW Publishing's ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic before joining the main cast of [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] ongoing.

==2015 (2)==
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/hasbro-lets-you-decide-the-next-titan-for-2017/</ref> Voting began [[November 24]].<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/voting-for-the-2017-titan-transformer-is-now-open/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
*'''[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'''
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/12/trypticon-wins-titans-fan-vote/</ref>

==2017==
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and it regarded the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2016/12/power-of-the-primes-fan-vote-announced/</ref> which would reflect across the toyline and accompanying fiction.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Honor!!Order!!Chaos
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
*'''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
*'''Unknown Evil ([[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]])'''
|}

On [[February 19]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal ultimately placed first,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2017/02/power-of-the-primes-optimus-primal-new-prime/</ref> which led to him receiving [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a new toy]] in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' web series.

==2018 (1)==
The next fan poll was for a new rivalry that would earn a pair of new toys in the [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]] of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Saboteur vs Scientist!!Brother vs Brother!!Mirage vs The Mercenary
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] vs [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] vs [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] vs [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'''
|}

[[Hasbro Pulse]] put out a free poll which anybody who signed up could participate in. As stated by Hasbro Pulse, "For the first time fans can vote on a pair of characters who will become part of the Generations lineup as Deluxe Class figures."

On February 27, 2018, Hasbro announced that Mirage vs Impactor had won,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/02/war-for-cybertron-fan-poll-winner-announced/</ref> leading [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|to the duo]] [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|receiving new toys]] in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and as exclusive multi-pack new-head retools.

Oddly, despite losing the fan poll, Spinister still received a toy in Siege, and Wheeljack and Tracks got new Earth-mode figures in Earthrise and Kingdom, respectively.

==2018 (2)==
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-vote-announced/</ref><ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-poll-open-on-instagram/</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Autobot vs Decepticon!!Decepticon vs Decepticon
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
On [[December 15]], Hasbro announced that [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Astrotrain]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/astrotrain-wins-g1-reissue-vote/</ref>

==2019 (1)==
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2019/05/hasbro-launches-2020-g1-reissue-poll/ Hasbro Launches 2020 G1 Reissue Poll!]</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] had won, receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote]</ref>

==2019 (2)==
Starting [[June 13]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page held a poll to decide which of four Decepticons would appear in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-decepticon-fan-vote-live-now/43433/ 2020 WFC Trilogy poll]</ref>

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|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]]
*'''[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamok]]''' {{sic}}
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]
|}

The voting was open for 48 hours,<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2727924640611046 The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL]</ref> and on [[July 18]] a Facebook announcement <s>fixed Runamuck's name</s> proclaimed [[Runamuck (G1)#Generations|Runamuck]] the winner.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2819867618083414 The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure!]</ref> Perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#Generations|Runabout]] and ''Studio Series'' [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] soon followed.

==Notes==
*Many times, options that did not win their respective poll have received acknowledgement later down the road:
**After 2013's first poll, the name "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" was used for a new character and ''Generations'' toy, while "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" were later used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
**After 2013's second poll, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]]<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2013/11/19/star-saber-wins-the-takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-178798 Star Saber wins the Takara-Tomy Masterpiece Fan’s Choice Poll] at TFW2005</ref> later received their ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys in [[2016]] and [[2020]], respectively.
**After 2015's first poll, the name "Slammoth" was later used for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] while "Quakebreak" was used for the post-[[Shroud]] version of [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]].
**After 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#Generations|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received their ''Generations'' Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'', respectively.
**After 2017's poll, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received their "Evolution"-style Leader Class toys later on in ''Siege'', with the former receiving a redeco and retool for [[Netflix]] ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' and ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'', respectively.
**After 2018's first poll, [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in ''Siege'' anyway.<ref>[https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/ On June 26, 2019, Hasbro announced they were going to make Spinister @ Screenrant.com]</ref> [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] received their toy later on in ''Earthrise'' and a redeco for Netflix ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] later received their toy in ''Kingdom''.
**After both of 2018's polls, Skywarp and Needlenose were eligible again in the 2019 ''Vintage G1'' and ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' polls, respectively, though both once again lost.
**After 2019's second poll, [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''-style toy later on in ''[[Studio Series]]''.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the first poll]
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the second poll]
*[http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here Hasbro Pulse announcement/vote on new rivalry]

[[Category:Hasbro]]

Fan polls

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Starting in [[2013]], nearly-annual polls have been run by [[Hasbro]] or [[Takara Tomy]] for the [[fandom]] to decide on future toy production. Thus far, 10 polls have been held. The first, Hasbro-initiated two were '''Fan Built Bot''' polls resulting in the creation of a new fan-influenced character and toy, while later polls are more "Which character do you want the most?"

==2013 (1)==
For the first Fan Built Bot, polls were conducted on transformers.com over the course of a week each. The first round was held between [[April 18]]th and [[May 5]]th, and included the following questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll/27089/</ref>
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!Faction!!Alternate mode!!Signature Weapon!!Color Scheme!!Personality
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*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
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*Car
*Truck
*Tank
*'''Jet'''
*Spaceship
*Terran Beast (Land)
*Avian Beast (Airborne)
*Helicopter
*Motorcycle
*Construction
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*Blaster Cannon
*Flame Thrower
*'''Sword'''
*Mace
*Spear/Harpoon
*Morningstar
*Cybertronian Taser
*Nunchucks
*Crossbow
*Long-Range Blaster
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Red & Black'''
*Green & Gold
*Blue & Silver
*Orange & White
*Purple & Bronze
|width="20%" valign="top"|
*'''Valiant'''
*Sneaky
*Hotshot
*Secretive
*Wildman
*Grumpy
|}

The second round was held between [[May 10]]th and [[May 17]]th, and included four more questions:<ref>http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-fan-built-bot-poll-second-round/27272/</ref>
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!Name!!Gender!!Origin!!Specialty
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*Autobot Eclipse
*Charon
*Centuritron
*Cashtron
*'''Windblade'''
*Autobot Wraith
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]'''<ref>This aspect of the character notably did not come through in her comic appearances, due to the prior lack of [[female Transformer]]s on Cybertron in the [[2005 IDW continuity]]; instead, [[The Transformers: Windblade|the comic focused on her]] portrayed her as being from the colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]].</ref>
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Altihex]]
*[[Kalis]]
*[[Praxus]]
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Combat Medic
*Bodyguard
*Recon
*'''Telepath'''
*Close Combat Specialist
|}

The result, [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]], was revealed first in art form at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2013, with her toy subsequently revealed at [[Toy Fair 2014]]. Windblade obtained a [[Windblade (G1)#Generations|toy]] in the 10th wave of [[Size class|Deluxe Class]] ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Thrilling 30|Generations: Thrilling 30]]'' toys; she also starred in a [[The Transformers: Windblade|4-issue miniseries]] from [[IDW Publishing]], which was later revived as an ongoing series.

Due to the character's popularity, [[Windblade (RID)|different]] [[Windblade (Cyberverse)|incarnations]] of Windblade were also featured in the ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'', and the ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' cartoons.

==2013 (2)==
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==2014==
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==2015 (1)==
The second set of polls was announced on [[January 15]], 2015, this time to create a whole new Combiner. The polling was done via the ''Transformers'' mobile app. The first set of polls began on [[January 25]]. Each limb was voted on individually. This poll infamously revealed the alternate modes for what would become ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Voyager Class [[Hot Spot (G1)#Combiner Wars|Protectobot Hot Spot]] and Legends Class [[Groove (G1)#Generations|Protectobot Groove]] before those figures would be officially unveiled at [[Toy Fair 2015]].
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!Faction!!Torso and weapon!!Limbs
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Autobot]]'''
*[[Decepticon]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jets
*Truck and car
*'''Fire truck and motorcycle'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*Jet/Helicopter
*Truck
*Car
|}
Round 2 began on [[February 11]] and including picking more specific modes for the limbs, two of which had been selected as aerial vehicles, and two as cars.
{|class="wikitable" width="80%"
|-
!Limb #1/#2!!Limb #3/#4!!Origin!!Color scheme
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Bomber
*Recon Plane
*'''Helicopter'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Drag Racer
*'''Sports Car'''
*'''Race Car'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]]
*[[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]]
*'''[[Rust Sea|Sea of Rust]]'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Blue/cyan/tan
*Orange/grey/blue
*'''Cyan/red/white'''
|}
A round also took place via the [[Toys"R"Us]] Twitter between [[February 17]] and [[February 28|28]] to select which power the Combiner would have.
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|-
!Power
|-
|
*[[Earthquake (event)|Earthquake]]
*'''Gravity control'''
*Teleport
|}
The final round of voting began on [[February 26]]:
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|-
!Gender!!Name!!Personality!!Nemesis
|-
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Male
*'''Female'''
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*'''Victorion'''
*Slammoth
*Quakebreak
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*Loyal
*'''Independent'''
*Leader
|width="25%" valign="top"|
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]
*'''[[Galvatronus (CW)|Galvatronus]]'''
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]]
|}
[[Victorion]], the resulting female Combiner, received a toy, then made her fictional debut in IDW Publishing's ''[[An Uneventful Night|Combiner Hunters]]'' one-shot comic before joining the main cast of [[The Transformers: Robots in Disguise|''The Transformers'' vol. 2]] ongoing.

==2015 (2)==
The next fan poll, announced [[November 20]], 2015, regarded who would be the next year's Titan Class figure for ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]''.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/hasbro-lets-you-decide-the-next-titan-for-2017/</ref> Voting began [[November 24]].<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/11/voting-for-the-2017-titan-transformer-is-now-open/</ref>
{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]
*'''[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'''
*[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]
|}
On [[December 1]], Hasbro announced that [[Trypticon (G1)#Titans Return|Trypticon]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2015/12/trypticon-wins-titans-fan-vote/</ref>

==2017==
The next set of fan polls was announced on [[December 1]], 2016 for ''[[Power of the Primes (franchise)|Power of the Primes]]'', and it regarded the next [[Matrix of Leadership]] bearer,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2016/12/power-of-the-primes-fan-vote-announced/</ref> which would reflect across the toyline and accompanying fiction.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Honor!!Order!!Chaos
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]
*'''[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'''
*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]
*'''[[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]]'''
*[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]
*'''[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]'''
*'''Unknown Evil ([[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deathsaurus]])'''
|}

On [[February 19]], Hasbro announced that Optimus Primal ultimately placed first,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2017/02/power-of-the-primes-optimus-primal-new-prime/</ref> which led to him receiving [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Power of the Primes|a new toy]] in mid-2018 and a prominent role in the ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' web series.

==2018 (1)==
The next fan poll was for a new rivalry that would earn a pair of new toys in the [[War for Cybertron: Siege|first chapter]] of the ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (franchise)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''.
{|class="wikitable" width="60%"
|-
!Saboteur vs Scientist!!Brother vs Brother!!Mirage vs The Mercenary
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]] vs [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] vs [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]]
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] vs [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]]'''
|}

[[Hasbro Pulse]] put out a free poll which anybody who signed up could participate in. As stated by Hasbro Pulse, "For the first time fans can vote on a pair of characters who will become part of the Generations lineup as Deluxe Class figures."

On February 27, 2018, Hasbro announced that Mirage vs Impactor had won,<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/02/war-for-cybertron-fan-poll-winner-announced/</ref> leading [[Mirage (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|to the duo]] [[Impactor (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|receiving new toys]] in the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' toyline in 2019, both as regular retail figures and as exclusive multi-pack new-head retools.

Oddly, despite losing the fan poll, Spinister still received a toy in Siege, and Wheeljack and Tracks got new Earth-mode figures in Earthrise and Kingdom, respectively.

==2018 (2)==
The next poll was announced via Hasbro Pulse and Hasbro's social media accounts on [[December 10]], 2018 to decide a future toy out of two pairs for release in the ''[[Vintage G1]]'' toyline in Spring of 2020.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-vote-announced/</ref><ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/g1-reissue-poll-open-on-instagram/</ref>

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|-
!Autobot vs Decepticon!!Decepticon vs Decepticon
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] vs [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'''
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] vs [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
On [[December 15]], Hasbro announced that [[Astrotrain (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Astrotrain]] won.<ref>https://www.allspark.com/2018/12/astrotrain-wins-g1-reissue-vote/</ref>

==2019 (1)==
On [[May 17]], [[2019]], the ''Transformers'' Facebook page held a poll to determine another 2020 release in the ''Vintage G1'' line.<ref>[https://www.allspark.com/2019/05/hasbro-launches-2020-g1-reissue-poll/ Hasbro Launches 2020 G1 Reissue Poll!]</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*'''[[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]]'''
*[[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]
|}
The poll was only open for 24 hours, and the following day it was announced that [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] had won, receiving 56% of the vote.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/05/18/blaster-wins-the-walmart-exclusive-g1-reissue-2020-fan-vote-388380 Blaster Wins The Walmart Exclusive G1 Reissue 2020 Fan Vote]</ref>

==2019 (2)==
Starting [[June 13]], [[2019]], the same Facebook page held a poll to decide which of four Decepticons would appear in [[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|the second chapter]] of the ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-war-for-cybertron-decepticon-fan-vote-live-now/43433/ 2020 WFC Trilogy poll]</ref>

{|class="wikitable" width="30%"
|-
|width="33%" valign="top"|
*[[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]]
*'''[[Runamuck (G1)|Runamok]]'''
*[[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]]
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]]
|}

The voting was open for 48 hours,<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2727924640611046 The four bots are #GNAW, #RUNAMUCK, #NEEDLENOSE & #SHRAPNEL]</ref> and on [[July 18]] a Facebook announcement <s>fixed Runamuck's name</s> proclaimed [[Runamuck (G1)#Generations|Runamuck]] the winner.<ref>[https://www.facebook.com/transformers/photos/2819867618083414 The fans have spoken and #RUNAMUCK will become a Fall 2020 War for Cybertron figure!]</ref> Perhaps unsurprisingly, ''Earthrise'' [[Runabout (G1)#Generations|Runabout]] and ''Studio Series'' [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] soon followed.

==Notes==
*Many times, options that did not win their respective poll have received acknowledgement later down the road:
**After 2013's first poll, the name "[[Centuritron#Generations|Centuritron]]" was used for a new character and ''Generations'' toy, while "[[Eagle Eye (G1)#Generations|Eclipse]]" and "[[Brainstorm (G1)#Titans Return|Charon]]" were later used for new ''Generations'' toys of classic characters.
**After 2013's second poll, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Masterpiece|Beast Convoy]] and [[Lio Convoy#Masterpiece|Lio Convoy]]<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2013/11/19/star-saber-wins-the-takara-tomy-masterpiece-fans-choice-poll-178798 Star Saber wins the Takara-Tomy Masterpiece Fan’s Choice Poll] at TFW2005</ref> later received their ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' toys in [[2016]] and [[2020]], respectively.
**After 2015's first poll, the name "Slammoth" was later used for the ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'' incarnation of [[Big Convoy#Beast Wars: Uprising|Big Convoy]] while "Quakebreak" was used for the post-[[Shroud]] version of [[Breakaway (Classics)|Breakaway]].
**After 2015's second poll, [[Omega Supreme (G1)#Generations|Omega Supreme]] and [[Scorponok (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Scorponok]] received their ''Generations'' Titan Class figures later on in ''Siege'' and ''Earthrise'', respectively.
**After 2017's poll, [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Shockwave]] received their "Evolution"-style Leader Class toys later on in ''Siege'', with the former receiving a redeco and retool for [[Netflix]] ''[[War for Cybertron Trilogy (toyline)|War for Cybertron Trilogy]]'' and ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'', respectively.
**After 2018's first poll, [[Spinister (G1)#War for Cybertron: Siege|Spinister]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' toy in ''Siege'' anyway.<ref>[https://screenrant.com/new-transformers-war-cybertron-figures/ On June 26, 2019, Hasbro announced they were going to make Spinister @ Screenrant.com]</ref> [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Wheeljack]] received their toy later on in ''Earthrise'' and a redeco for Netflix ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''. [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generations|Tracks]] later received their toy in ''Kingdom''.
**After both of 2018's polls, Skywarp and Needlenose were eligible again in the 2019 ''Vintage G1'' and ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' polls, respectively, though both once again lost.
**After 2019's second poll, [[Gnaw (G1)#Studio Series|Gnaw]] received their ''War for Cybertron Trilogy''-style toy later on in ''[[Studio Series]]''.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=757648 Hasbro press release announcing the first poll]
*[http://investor.hasbro.com/releasedetail.cfm?releaseid=892871 Hasbro press release announcing the second poll]
*[http://pulse.hasbro.com/news/war-cybertron-fan-vote-here Hasbro Pulse announcement/vote on new rivalry]

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

===G1 model images===
To branch off of this topic, how would we feel about using [https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/the-most-accurately-coloured-g1-animation-models-online.301/ DM's coloured models] for the G1 cartoon model galleries? The last time I brought this topic up (on Discord), some people were against the idea, due to them being fan-colour works and not official, but a few newer developments have been made since I last brought it up.

To clarify, for those unaware of DM's works:

* All of the line art is original and unedited (unlike several of the models in ''The Ark'' books, which had been tweaked, altered and traced by Bill Forster to make them presentable for publishing).
* The models are the final ones used throughout the majority of the cartoon (in Toei-animated episodes at least). Note: several of the models in ''The Ark'' books we have also come to discover were unfinalized ones, due to the internet and more stuff being made public since what was originally found around 2007—not to discredit Jim and Bill's hard work in putting those books together, it's just some of what we knew then isn't entirely correct now.
* And finally, the colours (which was the big thing some people were against). Unlike the handful of fan-coloured models that were originally uploaded to the wiki in the past, which eye dropped colors straight from poor quality episode masters, DM's colours are based directly on Toei and Marvel Productions' model colour guides, colour codes, charts, colour chips found by a member of the ''Draon Ball'' fandom (who has scanned and digitized said colour chips) and other original production materials, meaning that the colours DM has used are all coming from the ''original'' original source.

An alternative Mr. Rald had brought up on Discord is that we could possibly look at using the uncoloured model line art instead, if people feel strongly against using fan-coloured works, but I think in order to present the G1 character models fully as references, you kinda need the colours included, especially given how poor the cartoon production was, what with all the animation errors (even in Toei episodes) etc, making it hard to gather decent references for the characters, which is mostly what these galleries are for.

Also, for the record, DM has given us permission to use his colourings on the wiki.

Let me know you thoughts. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 01:39, 6 April 2022 (EDT)

: I personally think that we should use DM's coloured models, they are as official as coloured models are going to get, and it's not like DM just randomly picked and chose want colours to use as FOCS said. We could just have the model and the colour guide, but at that point, just have the model sheet coloured. I would however be in favour of the uncoloured models with colour guides and the sheets with the fully coloured models to cover all our bases. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:16 AM, 6 April 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

== Category for characters with no established gender ==

So I just had this idea and decided to share it here because why not? We have categories for female characters and variable gender characters but not for characters with undetermined genders. Many BotBots for example don't have genders and I think this category could be a useful way of grouping them together. And who knows, maybe someday it could even help official creators specifically looking for genderless characters to establish a gender to them. Does anyone agree to implement this category? -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:06, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:This concept has been discussed before in the past, and generally the feeling has been that this would be a bit too much like the wiki actively trying to shape canon. Don't get me wrong, creators taking advantage of characters with no official pronouns is neat and I'm all for it, but IMO the wiki shouldn't directly serve up them. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:26, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
::Interestingly, I can't seem to find a prior community portal discussion about this matter, though I know it has come up on the Discord server more than once, to the conclusion Jalaguy mentioned. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:35, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
:::Just to clarify, I thought of "official creators using it" as a quick example in favor of the category, but now I can totally see how it sounded like trying to influence canon too much. Regardless, I'd still be down for having the category if we agreed on it being useful for any other reason. -- [[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 19:51, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

== Category for trans characters ==

We had a productive conversation about the no established gender thing on the wiki discord and it made me realize that there should be a transgender category for the five established trans characters that there are so far, Arcee (who has established trans characterization on two different pages), Howlback, Arcadis, Anode, and Lug. Jalaguy mentioned that this has been discussed and people thought it was a good idea but it hasn't happened, so I just thought I'd ask for go-ahead on this. I figured that transgender rather than just trans could be a good word to use for this, due to them all being people who have gender. The term trans is merely more broad and could cover different kinds of transness than that or aesthetic stuff that is similar to gender, but we have no confirmation of being there yet in canon. Thus I think transgender would be the most accurate and desirable term here, and the umbrella trans can always be tacked on later if we need to. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 5:40PM 3 April 2022 (PDT) (edited 5:48PM PDT for clarity)
:Seconded. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 5:53 PM, 3 April 2022 (PDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq our Discord server].

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving|Arriving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving|Leaving]]
* [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal/Complaints|Complaints]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''New Ad Policy:'''</div>
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<br/><div class="list-header">'''Bookworm Database-Crash:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Damage Control Central|Damage Control Central]]
* [[Project:Bookworm Crash]]
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Leaving2|Leaving Take 2]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Server Move:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Arriving2|Arriving Take 2]]
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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Relicensing|Relicensing]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
<br/><div class="list-header">'''GoBots Sister Wiki:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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* [[Transformers_Wiki:Tech|A Not So Brief Summary of the Horrible Things That McFly and Co. Have Done To Keep This Wiki From Melting Down]]
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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I currently have a sandbox to test galleries using Tigatron https://tfwiki.net/wiki/User:MrRald/sandbox/Tigatron#Gallery. I'd appreciate any feedback on things to add or change! [[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 23:44, 1 April 2022 (EDT)
::: I like what you have so far, I think we should maybe add a few more versions of Tigatron, like his different comic appearances and such. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]])

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I think artistic liberty vs. new design would have to be on a case by case basis. Burcham's art of the BW cast wouldn't count for gallery purposes, in my opinion. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:08, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I think it would be cool to have art of the same designs in different artstyles, but I agree it should probably be on case by case basis. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 6:17 PM 27 March 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

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== Site Logo revamp ==

Up until now, our rotating logo on the main page tends to have a batch of logos pointing to pages from the most recent franchises and series, plus a few from older franchises that we forgot or didn't bother to remove. I'd like to rework this system a bit to have a more even balance franchise-wise. I think we should have one character for every franchise that has had a cartoon or movie (including the JG1 shows), plus one from each of the major English-language comic runs (Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW1, and IDW2 at the bare minimum). This would be a good way to demonstrate the breadth of the franchise scope of the wiki, and help drive new readers towards legacy content. (Of course, we'd still have a few extra banners based on whatever is currently running for the "Hey, I know that guy!" factor. Would love to get some thoughts on this, and potentially character suggestions for each franchise. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:59, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:I think this is a great idea! Though, I'm unsure on which characters from each show would be good to use. Like, would we go most popular/memorable characters or just some really random left field obscurities like G1 Skids who appeared in only two episodes of ''The Transformers'', just to get some more eyes on character articles from franchises newer fans may not be fully aware of? Also, would Japanese-exclusive shows include ''Go!'', ''Q-Transformers'' and ''Robotmasters''? If so, maybe even an image from ''Portal'' (the Russian show) would be worthwhile too. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:47, 18 December 2021 (EST)
::Obscure/minor stuff risks just being the GO! Boxes again, and we already have those. For the big logo, best to go with majorish characters from majorish media. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)
:This sounds like a great idea. We could break it down like this:
G1 Seasons 1 and 2 - Optimus Prime,
TFTM/G1 Seasons 3 and 4 - Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime,
G1 Marvel - Ratchet,
Headmasters - Fort Max,
Masterforce - Minerva,
Victory - Star Saber,
Idk if we would do Zone or any of the Japanese G1 stories that came after,
Beast Wars - Megatron,
Beast Wars II - Lio Convoy,
Beast Wars Neo - Magmatron,
RID/Car Robots - Side Burn,
I've never read Dreamwave so I don't know a good character that represents it,
Unicron Trilogy - Hot Shot,
IDW could be broken into a few character reps because of how long it went on,
IDW Furman Era - IDW Bumblebee,
IDW Post Furman - IDW Galvatron,
IDW MTMTE/LL - Nautica,
IDW RID/OP - IDW Optimus Prime,
Animated - Bulkhead,
Movies - Bumblebee,
WFC Games - Bruticus,
Prime - Starscream,
RID15 - Strongarm,
Cyberverse - Windblade,
WFC Trilogy - G1 Megatron,
And then we can have a few slots open for characters from the latest shows/movies. This list would give new readers an idea on how big the franchise truly is and how diverse the characters are. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Certainly if anyone's gonna represent CR/RiD'01, it's gonna be Sky-Byte, the breakout star of the show, and not Side Burn, the Autobot womanizer. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:26, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Funilly enough I meant to put him there lol. [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 20:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
::Dreamwave, I'd pick War Within Grimlock. Certainly Shockwave should be part of 2005 IDW since he's responsible for the whole sha-bang.--[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:40, 5 January 2022 (EST)

== Splitting Cloud characters ==

So now we have some sorta adequate translations, I'm being increasingly convinced that merging them just on the basis of AVP was a mistake and that the Cloud characters should be split out for simplicity and ease of explanation. Notably, the central conceit is far more similar to TransTech than G1—and more different to G1 than Cyberverse, for instance. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 02:44, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I was against it then and I'm against it now. They're nothing like the TransTech; they are practically nigh identical to the G1 guys, there's a war going on in their universe, and the "central conceit" of them being multiversal guardians is more akin to Alternity than it is to TransTech, who for the majority of their fiction were at most passive observers. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 07:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I am declining to weigh in personally until I finish first pass translations but please at least pretend to look over the translated material before repeating the same arguments. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:19, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::I have looked over it. Nothing is convincing me that it's all that separate from G1 stuff. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::"War going on" describes most of Transformer fiction. What makes Cyberverse "not G1", but Cloud G1, other than convenience for us editors? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:02, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::: As far as I can tell, there is no basic divergence, aside from Grimlock's origins, from the Cloud characters to the G1 counterparts. I could point to a fair few examples on the side of Cyberverse that rank higher than that (Grimlock's presenations, the origins of the Quintessons and Sharkticons, Skywarp, Acid Storm, etc etc.) [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:23, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::We can be here all day debating over character minutiae, but the point is that Cyberverse ultimately doesn't diverge that much from G1 in its general premise as opposed to Cloud. G1 is bloated enough as it is; it doesn't hurt to take out the one thing that doesn't really fit in and make it its own thing. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:29, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::: Well that just comes right back to my question: what actually makes Cloud World's core conceit any different from G1 beyond the fact that they have technology that allows them dimensional travel? Because if it is just that, I simply do not believe that is enough to justify a split for characters who are almost all made to look like and have the same personality as the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:51, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I agree for the sake of wiki presentation. *Cloud* is more like *TransTech* than it is like *Alternity*. *Cloud* characters got to travel to both the G1 and MD worlds as equally separate destinations. TakaraTomy used the *Generations War for Cybertron* moulds as the *United* series, which is G1 and not Aligned by our classification. *Cloud* recycling unused *Generations Fall of Cybertron* toys in a non-Aligned setting strikes me as more evidence that we can allow *Cloud* to live on its own rather than as another G1 setting. And *Cloud* was chosen by e-HOBBY over the competing proposal *Prime Shattered Glass* which would also have been on separate wiki pages despite employing purely redeco mould choiceis. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:08, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I'm not convinced by the idea that them saying "G1 World" is an indicator of separateness when there is also designations for "BW Spacetime" and "MF Spacetime." Brawn is depicted as practically identical in appearance to G1 Brawn before being upgraded. As for the Prime Shattered Glass choice, I think it's pretty obvious why that would be completely separate from this particular issue. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:25, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::The only reason Brawn is shown as the G1 body is if you take consideration that all Cloud members are drawn according to the latest toy or model available... he got no real toy before that, the only options were either G1 Sunbow, G1 toy or the tiny Universe 2.0 Legends. Now if you remove their appearance and focus on the story, Cloud is still more akin to Transtech than Alternity, Deadlock for example even got to visit the Legends World, a Aligned world (possibly the Adventure toyline) and the Ehobby spin-off dimension (now called Precursor World) -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 17:55, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::Yes, I am aware of how Cloud repurposings work. Nothing prevents one G1 universe from visiting another. And aside from that, Japan has had barely any non-JG1 cartoon related G1 fiction; of course Cloud World, which isn't directly JG1 related, would be indicated as different; that doesn't mean that it's not able to be categorized as G1. If it were an American storyline, where we have always had multiple G1 storylines, I feel that this would not nearly be as much of a point of contention. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:05, 28 December 2021 (EST)
I'm in favor of splitting Cloud from G1. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 19:32, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:I haven't read any of the Cloud fiction myself, but I know that if our translation team collectively agrees on something based on the material available, then that's more than enough convincing for me to agree with them also. In other words, I agree with a split. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:52, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::I'd vastly prefer if we could get someone like McFeely to weigh in on this. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:56, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::i'm in favour of the split. The cloud people have enough characteristics to distonguist them from theur jg1 counterpatts.--[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 20:14, 28 December 2021 (EST)
::::Alright, seriously, what characteristics are there actually to distinguish them from G1? Because nobody has been able to give me a concrete example so far. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:::::dinobot, heavy usage of aligned designs, hellwarp --[[User:ZacAttack|ZacAttack]] ([[User talk:ZacAttack|talk]]) 21:36, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Looks like Escargon is the only voice against the split thus far. Still, I suggest the discussion should remain open longer than usual, out of courtesy for people not checking the wiki as regularly given the holiday season. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 21:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)
:As the translations are still ongoing, I think the most we can suggest at this time is a note regarding its a classification as a Primax setting by AVP. As more information comes to light I'm becoming increasingly convinced that it was a decision made on shaky logic. Unlike the Alternity there doesn't seem to be any evidence of these guys being derived in-universe from G1 guys. And as fiction, it's about a bunch of super advanced parallel universe monitor guys who regularly travel to other universes. If it's literally just "the cast is mostly recolours of toys with G1 fiction" then maybe we need to start talking about listing the War for Cybertron games as G1 too. [[User:Star Spangled Sam|Star Spangled Sam]] ([[User talk:Star Spangled Sam|talk]]) 01:44, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::What exactly is super-advanced about them beyond SARA, who, as far as I can tell, is a gift from some being and not even their own creation? Because otherwise, they seem to be basic Transformers. Not a single person has been able to tell me that so far, and I'd be far more willing to listen if someone would just spell out what exactly makes them so distinct that means they can't be G1. It's not about in-universe stuff, because for all intents and purposes, the characters themselves are nigh-identical to the Generation 1 characters; you look at Cloud Megatron or Cloud Rodimus and it is obvious that, irregardless of whatever the fiction might say, they are being sold as new versions of the G1 characters. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 04:29, 29 December 2021 (EST)
:::By the same logic, then why not put the FOC and WFC games under the G1 banner since it heavly takes inspirations from it, same settings (war on cybertron, the resources are becoming low, escaping to another world), closest designs to G1.. hell they were more marketed towards G1 than the Movies and Prime in mind (let's face it.. that's what Hasbro always does).. but the further Hasbro tied them to Aligned and they became their own thing.. Cloud is about that, maybe marketed as G1 at first but they became their own thing at the end -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 13:20, 29 December 2021 (EST)
::::The WFC games are their own case that, despite what you say, were always clearly a part of Hasbro's ideas for the Aligned continuity, which is something that I'm not going to bother going into here. Nothing about Cloud registers to me as being somehow so separate that it requires us splitting off things into their own pages. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:24, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Bumping for more opinions. If there's no overall opposition to it by Friday or so, I'll start splitting. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:07, 4 January 2022 (EST)
:The Cloud fiction prominently features the Cloud characters interacting with their own G1 counterparts. If nothing else, it should be split on same basis as [[Galvatron II]]. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:50, 4 January 2022 (EST)
::We've seen that with other fiction. I'm not sure why it would justify them having their whole separate pages (Galvatron II is a unique case). If that's what it takes though to not go through some inane total split, though, then fine, whatever. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:03, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:If there is to be movement on this in the immediate future I suppose I should go ahead and weigh in. As the one doing the translation I broadly agree with Riptide. While I am unmoved by philosophical discussions on what constitutes "G1-ness" or "Transtech-ness," I believe it is important to return to our guiding principle of the end user experience. Given the already convoluted nature of the material as well as the cast's consistent interaction with both various Generation 1 continuities in general and their own incarnations in specific, I believe it will be in the best interests of intelligibility for the reader to split out Cloud from Generation 1. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:25, 5 January 2022 (EST)

We are not going to pretend that these are completely separate from the Generation 1 characters. Put up a suite or a "see [X] article for more information" because it is completely ridiculous to pretend that Cloud is it's own little continuity. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:38, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I disagree. Cloud should be split off entirely. So let's have an official vote and resolve this. I say '''Split'''. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:28, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::The articles have already been split. You'll forgive me if I don't show confidence in the decision from people who blew me off when I pointed out their original reason for splitting was incorrect (that supposedly the Almanac had come out before Cloud was truly explained, but in fact it had come after almost all of it had been published). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:35, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::This discussion has been open for twelve days. An unofficial tally shows at least 7-to-1 in favor of splitting. No one else has openly agreed with your position. Given that, and that Saix announced days in advance he would start splitting if there was no further discussion, it wasn't unreasonable for him to begin. But maybe there's a different split of opinions on the Discord or wherever, so it's certainly appropriate to ask for an official vote. Beyond that...the decision is just not up to you alone. The point of democracy is for all voices to be heard, not to leave every voice feeling satisfied with the outcome. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:08, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::I have no idea what's going on in the Discord server; I'm barred from it. I certainly hope there's not more discussion going on over there, because I was told that there would be a push to have these sorts of big discussions to be on the wiki. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:42, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::With all due respect: You need to stop putting so much emphasis on the in-universe designation, which AVP itself pointed out was ultimately arbitrary. I understand that AVP and the Almanacs are important to you, but Jim is not infallible, and while I'm sure he had good reasons for calling it "Primax" that's ultimately just ''his opinion''. Cloud being "its own thing" isn't some essential property; it's a matter of how to organise the wiki in order to make the fiction clear. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:47, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:I also vote '''Split''' if only because of how better translations now has pointed out various past errors/assumptions/presumptions that needed correcting, and thus updating is needed so as to make things easier to categorize and organize here. Any wiki really worth their salt and wanting to do proper service to their respective franchises' fandoms would do the same. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 14:43, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::I ''still'' haven't got an answer for what makes Cloud so different that makes it ''need'' to be split. If there were a crossover between say, Marvel and Sunbow, nobody in their right mind we should completely separate, say, Huffer from Huffer. I'm willing to admit that I might just be missing something, but nothing in the stories themselves, as far as I can see, suggests it, beyond the aforementioned Cloud World classification, which for me is not enough of a justification. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:33, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::Neither Marvel nor Sunbow consists primarily of crossovers with another G1 continuity. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:20, 8 January 2022 (EST)
::::If that's the main avenue of justification then frankly I don't think I'm ever going to agree with that line of reasoning, but I can clearly see I'm outvoted on this. I wish there would have been more people asked before the split was done, though, because I can see that this could very easily end up being another whole "retitling things to FSRLF" situation. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:00, 8 January 2022 (EST)
:::We functionally split out Marvel and Sunbow versions for a lot of characters anyway. We're at the point where we draw lines based on how easy/hard it is for the information to be conveyed, not whether it's G1 enough or not. We think Cloud, as its own fullblown storyline/premise, falls on the side of "it's easier to read and parse it if they get their own shebang" instead of burying them in overlong G1 articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:11, 8 January 2022 (EST)

I'm not gonna argue further on this because I recognize it's a losing battle, but I think that the line of thought of "this one bit of media shouldn't be kept in an article because it won't get out there otherwise" sets a bad precedent that could easily be misused in the future. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:39, 8 January 2022 (EST)

Should the Cloud toys also be removed from the G1 character's pages? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 09:21, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:Yeah no, It vould be too convoluted, example look at the redirections [[Transformers_Cloud#Toys|there]]... where should each toy be redirected?? + the fiction regarding said toys has their own page now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 10:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::...What on earth are you talking about? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 11:16, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::Srry I misread his question.. I thought he meant "added" not "removed" from the G1 pages...
:Not entirely certain what you're asking, but the eight toys in the Cloud toyline (plus Deadlock) have already been moved to the Cloud pages in conjunction with the fiction, as they solely represent Cloud characters. The remaining Cloud characters repurpose existing toys. The writeups for those toys remain on the original pages with duplicates on the repurpose pages, as is standard practice. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:54, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::I mean, for example, [[Blaster_(G1)/toys#Generations|G1 Blaster's toy page]] has FOC Blaster on it, due to FOC Blaster being repurposed as Cloud Blaster. Should that repurposing be removed from G1 Blaster's page, since Cloud Blaster isn't considered to be G1 Blaster anymore? [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 12:34, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::I believe yeah, the splitting between G1 and Cloud was recent (done last month) so there's still leftover traces on the wiki, if you can take your time to remove them why not -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 16:44, 17 February 2022 (EST)
::::Ok, good. I just wanted to check I wasn't missing anything. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:13, 17 February 2022 (EST)
:::::Oh! Yes those should go, good eye! -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 10:52, 18 February 2022 (EST)

==Split Movie Character Toy lists?==
Just as what happened with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys]], I suggest we split certain Movie toy pages such as [[Bumblebee (Movie)/toys]] and [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys]] as both pages have become excessively bloated. I suggest we separate them by having the original Bay film toylines (07, ROFT, DOTM, AOE, TLK, and any pre SS sub lines) have their own page and starting a new one that Contains SS, BB, and the upcoming ROTB toylines, alongside any future movie toylines until the new page itself becomes heavily bloated [[User:Paladin Denn|Paladin Denn]] ([[User talk:Paladin Denn|talk]]) 18:43, 5 January 2022 (EST)
:Sorry for being this late but given that ROTB toys are apparently coming this spring, I suggest you split like one part contains all 5 movies while the other starts with SS and BB until now -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 15:26, 22 January 2022 (EST)

== Multi-part comic stories ==

For old Marvel UK multi-part stories like [[Target: 2006]] or [[Time Wars]], we put the whole thing under a single article, but for modern-day ones like each storyline in [[Transformers (2019 comic)]] we have a separate article for each issue. Is there a good reason for the discrepancy, or are the old ones just an artefact of a time in the wiki's history that didn't follow our current standards? --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 09:36, 22 January 2022 (EST)
:The thing with that is that it's a result of how the UK comic was written; there'd be about 8 or so pages per issue, meaning that we'd have a lot of little articles that are easier just grouped together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 10:16, 22 January 2022 (EST)
::Makes sense, although that's essentially what we have for [[The Transformers: Autocracy]] et al., which are also 8 pages per issue. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 15:38, 23 January 2022 (EST)
:::The difference with Autocracy lies mostly in that pretty much all of those issues have a beginning and end, and also have different titles. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I always thought our headings on the Marvel UK story pages ''were'' the issue titles. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 01:21, 24 January 2022 (EST)

== Composite characters and page transclusion ==

This is something I've had the idea about for a while, but I've finally had a look at how the markup for it works and have come up with a proposal. The pages for [[Greatshot]] and [[Sixshot (G1)]] contain an entirely duplicated section set around the ''Victory'' cartoon owing to a retcon that occurred in the much later Legends manga. This is not an ideal solution because, among other reasons, any edits to Greatshot's cartoon section necessitates making the same edit to Sixshot's section.

Over in my sandbox, I've whipped up the page [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test]], containing only the events that happened to both Greatshot and the retconned Sixshot. By inserting <nowiki>{{:User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot-test}}</nowiki> into the relevant parts of Greatshot and Sixshot's pages (also sandboxed [[User:TheLastGherkin/Greatshot|here]] and [[User:TheLastGherkin/Sixshot|here]]), the same information is automatically transcluded. And clicking "Edit" on, for example, the Legends manga section on Sixshot's page automatically redirects the user to editing that portion of Greatshot-test, thus updating all three pages at once.

If we go forward with this, I can see it being used for other characters in similar situations, like BWU [[Wolfang (Maximal)#Beast Wars: Uprising|Wolfang]], or Unite Warriors [[Roller (IDW)#Unite Warriors|Roller]], or putting the lion's share (pun intended) of [[Victory Leo]]'s fictional appearances back onto Victory Leo's page. With refinements, like say a <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> explanation for what each subpage is for the layperson ("This page covers the events of the Japanese Generation 1 continuity, where Greatshot and Sixshot are the same individual...") and maybe a [[:Category:Transcluded pages]], I could see this really working, and it could probably be bent into shape for repurposed toys as well. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 12:48, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:If we cannot avoid this sort of duplicated information entirely, this does seem like a pretty ideal solve to mitigate the constant peril of copy editing flubs maintaining multiple copies of one write-up entails. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Is there any way to get rid of the "This section is transcluded from another page. To edit it, please edit the transcluded page." notice? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:06, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:::There is! I just put that there manually while experimenting and also to make clear where the transcluded section is. In practice, since clicking "Edit" on a transcluded section takes you to the source page, a notice like that can be relegated to a commented-out note for editors who click to Edit the entire page (or a larger section). [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 16:16, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::::Oh, I thought it was automatic software stuff. Whoops, never mind. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:22, 10 February 2022 (EST)
::Also, this works for fiction, but I see it running into issues when it comes to toys. (Thinking of Sixshot/Greatshot, Sixshot always gets toys first with Greatshot as the retool later in the same line.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:14, 10 February 2022 (EST)
:I've made some tweaks to my sandboxes, including standardising the transcluded page. Are there any objections before I start implementing this (in fiction sections)? [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 07:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
::I sense that there could be an issue in the future where, for whatever reason, these sorts of characters diverge back into separate ones, whether it be through alternate continuities or whatever. Also, in the case of Greatshot, I feel like at the very beginning of his entry, there has to be something different to set up the Sixshot retcon, and just having the same opening text doesn't do that. 08:57, 12 February 2022 (EST)
:::His toy bio that mentions Sixshot as a separate person could go there. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:21, 16 February 2022 (EST)
:This could also be applied to Primus and Vector Sigma for their 3H comics sections since they are one and the same in that continuity. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:26, 26 February 2022 (EST)

== What makes a franchise? Or, does "Precursor World" exist? ==

So, browsing around the wiki, as one does, and came across this: [[Precursor World (franchise)]]

Now, I'm not as well-versed in the Legends + Selects comics, so maybe this is incorrect, but to the best of my understanding, the branding "Precursor World" doesn't exist — this story was told across Generations Selects and Legends, and no toy or story was ever released branded as "Precursor World". It doesn't seem like the name even existed until pretty recently.

This...isn't a franchise, right? It's a long-running story told across various medium, but it's not a franchise, and calling it such implies something that isn't true.

Particularly, the idea that there is a "toyline" seems a bit of a stretch. There are only three listed "official" toys, but none of them were released under the "Precursor World" branding (which near as I can tell does not exist) and the list of "repurposings" seems almost entirely just "this toy/characters showed up in this story" which doesn't seem like anything's been repurposed to me. The IDW comics used a bunch of existing/prior toys, but that doesn't create a toyline of that comic series.

Am I off base here? --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:16, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:Okay there's a lot to unpack here but to begin with every single one of those toys is being repurposed as a separate object/character in a separate setting a la, for example, [[Green Tender Convoy]] and the [[Matrix Buster|Red Matrix]]. Most of the unnamed crowdfillers are minimized to footnotes on existing articles to avoid generating a bazillion stubs. The closest analogue I can give you is the [[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|toyline]] for the original ''Timelines'' iteration of Shattered Glass. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:35, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I'll grant that those indeed seem to be repurposings, but the vast majority of toys on this list merely link to the toy entry for the toy on the regular character's page. I don't think having a list of members of these groups is bad (it's good!) but I don't think this is a toyline. Again, crucially, Shattered Glass has a brand, with the official toys released under that brand, whereas precursor world does not. IDW repurposed WfC/FoC/aligned toys as G1 characters, but this didn't create a virtual toyline associated with that comic. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 12:46, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:::Arguably Shattered Glass toys weren't really released under their own brand either until the recent Hasbro Pulse stuff, until then the figures were all just released under the ''Timelines'' banner or whatever else Fun Pub used at the time - the idea of a singular "Shattered Glass toyline" was just as much of a constructed idea until like a year ago. I can't say "franchise" and "toyline" ''aren't'' slightly more non-literal labels than usual in this context, but I do think there's value in having the info collated like this, and I can't think of ''better'' labels that aren't something stupid like "(meta franchise)". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 12:57, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::::To be honest, I'm inclined to agree re: Shattered Glass, and would not be opposed to restructuring the toyline page to delineate between the "Shatted Glass Collection" and "Shattered Glass toys released via Timelines" or something. Shattered Glass does, however, have a leg up on Precursor World given that every official SG toy was branded as "Shattered Glass" in some way, though perhaps not as a "franchise". The box set is called Shattered Glass, and every official toy was called "Shattered Glass". There's some nuance there, of course, as arguably those are part of the character's names ala "Prime Universe Bulkhead" is still a Legacy toy, not a Prime toy, but I'd be happy to have a debate around the best way to frame Shattered Glass stuff given those discrepancies. Allll that said, Shattered Glass is today a franchise, but there have been zero anythings released with Precursor World branding or labeling. --[[User:Spectre|Spectre]] ([[User talk:Spectre|talk]]) 13:06, 3 March 2022 (EST)

::I don't think the page should be removed or even severely modified, but I do think the terminology is flawed. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 16:02, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Precursor World is definitely not a "franchise" and should not have that label. The model to look at here is the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] article, which gives an overview of the thing, lists it's stories and toys, but does not use the "franchise" label, and doesn't ''need'' to use it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 15:07, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Yeah, no, this is not a "franchise", and the page should not be labeled as such. It is a ''setting''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)

:I like the solution that AzimuthAcolyte gave on Discord: move "Precursor World (franchise)" to "Precursor World continuity" (with all uses of the word "franchise" changed to "continuity") and "Precursor World (toyline)" to "List of Precursor World toys". Simple and elegant. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:55, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Seconded.[[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
:::That seems reasonable to me. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:00, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::::I'm for that. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 19:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::That's fair. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 23:59, 3 March 2022 (EST)
::Works for me, somewhat obviously! If there are no major objections over the next day or two I'll get those moved over. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 11:48, 4 March 2022 (EST)
::Ohhh, That works -[[User:MahXyme|MahXyme/MahXymal]] ([[User talk:MahXyme|talk]]) 18:19, 4 March 2022 (EST)
Alrighty as it's been a day or so with no objections I am proceeding with the moves away from (franchise) and (toyline). --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:06, 5 March 2022 (EST)

== Episode Order ==
It's come to my attention that all cartoons have been listed in production order '''except''' Beast Wars, RID01, RB, and RBA. While I understand production order is not available for the latter two I suggest we change the first two for consistency's sake - Unless I'm wrong and they are ''not'' all in production order. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:48, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:We're not touching Beast Wars. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:52, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
::Beast Wars and RiD'01 not being in production order are accepted exceptions to the norm. We leave them as they are for reasons specific to each. But as for RB and RBA, we do have an idea of the production orders for each, but we instead use a weird mixture of production order and airing order that is consistent with no other series we cover. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
:OK quick correction to myself, turns out that it's all supposed to be chronological order; That just happens to be production order for everything but those four. Sorry! [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 14:09, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

==Help with statues / figurines==
I wrote up many of the [[Transformers ULTIMATES!|ULTIMATES!]] entries, simply because no one else had. I don't actually care about that sort of merch and it ended up being me paraphrasing from press releases and copying their pics. Just today I learned there are 3 waves of TF [[Minimates]] that have no coverage here at all. It definitely seems like a lot of high-end statues are falling through the cracks as well. Is there someone who is willing to make that stuff more of a project? If not, could we perhaps put out a call for submissions on our Twitter feed? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:47, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I fear this is just... going to continue to be an Issue. The wiki is a labor of love, and the brand is at a point where there's a lot of stuff out there... well, that a lot of people probably aren't gonna love. Hasbro's moichandized the everloving HELL out of TF over the years, with more and more niche "G1" stuff that seemingly would never appeal to people for whom G1 is the big center of their fandom. I mean I just found some Micro Figures merch at a Big Lots, I've never seen these before, and I don't know offhand if they're on the wiki. They're kind of a nothing. It's hard to keep up. Same for stuff like phone games.<br>
:I don't know if there's an actual solution. ''Someone'' certainly needs to step up, but I kinda got my plate overflowing with my own pet (ha ha) niche chunk of TF history to exhaustively document, never mind dealing with stuff I am almost aggressively disinterested in. (Seriously what little Minimates experience I have left me with a worse impression of them than I already had from their hideous aesthetic alone.) Asking Twitter for people more well-versed in this stuff might could help for phone games, but... IS there anyone into Minimates as a whole Brand and not just in a "I get the licenses I like" sense to fill in gaps? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:20, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::Once I had composed the thought "Hey, it's bad that there are a lot of Minimates out with us not covering them at all," it was too late, and I just had to burn 40 minutes on some cut-and-paste writups for the entire series. That's one "solution," I guess, but even ''my'' obsessive-compulsiveness can only go so far. Editing this site really should not feel like a job... --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

==Implementing galleries==
I propose making galleries on character pages a wiki standard. The current mainpic + show screenshots format doesn't cover images like character models (Unless used as a mainpic), concept art, appearances in posters or toy murals, comic book covers, etc.
Other wikis have successfully implemented galleries, I think the Hololive Wiki galleries in particular work well as an example https://hololive.wiki/wiki/Tokino_Sora#Media.
This gallery header covers character models and has suites for concept art and even character uses in collaborative merch.[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 13:27, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Seconded. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 13:30, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:I would say some version of this concept for a section has merit, if nothing else as a solve for major characters with several prominent character models, perhaps as a fairly unobtrusive method of documenting alt modes, etc etc. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:38, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::I'm for this. As a good example, the BotBots characters all look to have been radically redesigned for the show. By default the current standard is to keep the original stock art look will appear as the mainpic each page. Having a gallery option would be a good way to show both versions. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:Oppose. There is no reason for these to take up space on the character pages. Would not oppose separate "gallery" pages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:57, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::If we are open to workshopping implementation I do agree a separate "gallery page" in the style we already use for more conceptual articles here and there would probably be cleaner. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:06, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::I love the gallery idea. There's a question of how much to include, and the exact implementation details of how to portion out overflow if there's too many images. It's a shame there isn't some way to generate them automatically just by tagging images with the characters they depict. —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 14:24, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::A separate page seems like it would be overkill for someone like [[Flamewar (G1)|Flamewar]], who would only take a few images to cover appearances not already covered by fiction section images. I assume if a small gallery was to be used on a character's page, it would be near the bottom at any rate? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:22, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Yes, at the bottom would be ideal, no different from any of the galleries on our artist pages. IMO, separate gallery pages should only be used in instances where the number of images can't be comfortably fit onto one or two lines. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::I agree with Cyberlink. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:29, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
:::Fair; Using gallery sections for those with few images and gallery pages for those with many images might make sense. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 15:46, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
::::See [[Megatron (G1)/gallery|G1 Megatron]] and [[Megatron (BW)/gallery|BW Megatron]] for examples of characters with enough images to justify separate gallery pages. [[Rhinox (BW)/gallery|BW Rhinox]], as it is now, is probably right on the line between "split it off" and "stick it at the bottom of the page". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:58, 21 March 2022 (EDT)
I think choosing between a header at the bottom or a suite depending on image amount is a good solution instead of sticking to just one method.
[[User:MrRald|MrRald]] ([[User talk:MrRald|talk]]) 11:29, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
:Yeah, I think that would be good, as has been pointed out earlier. I do have to ask - because sometimes the artistic difference between characters in comics is slight with details only a little different in shape or kibble - would those fall under gallery stuff? Because they're effectively different per artist interpretation. I would be inclined to say yes, because effectively a different artist's rendition is shown usually of the same character without having reformatted or taken up armor or so forth. --[[User:Causeway|Causeway]] ([[User talk:Causeway|talk]]) 10:56AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)
::I am very much on board with this idea. Having a gallery section or page depending on the character would be great, especially for characters like Flamewar who have a extremely prominent new design that we can't use as a main pic and for characters who have tons of designs, especially in the case of IDW where some characters change bodies every Tuesday. -- [[User:ComfyBlanket|ComfyBlanket]] ([[User:ComfyBlanket|talk]]) 11:35 AM 27 March 2022 (PDT)

== Making a page for the Unreal Engine? ==

War for Cybertron, Dark of the Moon (PS3/X360), Fall of Cybertron, and Rise of the Dark Spark all run on Unreal Engine, specifically Unreal Engine 3. Why isn't there a page for it. It could have good info on those wanting to mod those games.

Unrelated, but there's a server revival project being worked on for those games. Right now it's only on PC, and progress is slow, but should we include info for it in the pages for those games? It's not official btw, there's a Discord server for it and a few YouTube vids about it.[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 17:29, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I'm not sure what information we could put on an Unreal Engine page that would be useful to modders. An Unreal Engine page would be general info on the engine and a list of games which use it. Diving into technical details isn't really something we do. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:52, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I think linking to {{W|Unreal Engine|Wikipedia}} should be sufficient. That's what I did when I ''unfortunately'' had to document the Funko NFTs. [[User:Iacon0|Iacon0]] ([[User talk:Iacon0|talk]]) 19:11, 24 March 2022 (EDT)
:I don't see what value there would be to this. Unreal warrants, at ''most'', a mention on the relevant game pages. We don't have pages for every program used to make every piece of TF media/product. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:33, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

Vector Prime

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[[File:VectorPrime dvd.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|He gives a new meaning to the term "grandfather clock".]]
'''Vector Prime''' is [[Primus]]'s appointed guardian of time and space. Though recorded history pegs him as 25 million years old,<ref>[[Revelations Part 4]]</ref> he has identified himself as 9 billion years old,<ref name="AVP">[[Ask Vector Prime]]</ref> making the clockwork-covered Transformer one of the [[Thirteen]]. He's so old that in many timelines, the locals have called him "the First Autobot".<ref>[[Ask Vector Prime]], 11 September 2015: "Come to think of it, in many timelines, I was not called "Vector Prime" but "The First Autobot." Indeed, this was from time-to-time shortened to simply "Autobot," though usually as an invective hurled at me."</ref> Despite his age, Vector Prime is very powerful, and can warp both space and time, though excessive use of this power can severely weaken him. His powers allow him to traverse the [[multiverse]] at will, allowing Vector Prime to track and record events across a countless number of realities.

Vector Prime was once a holder of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]<ref name="AVP">[[Ask Vector Prime]]</ref> before he left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to guard space and time, a lonely job which isolated him from Cybertronian culture for tens of millions of years. Though he has rejoined the timestream on occasion to protect it from large-scale dangers,<ref>[[Vector Prime: In the Beginning]]</ref> his extraordinary exile has left him emotionally, culturally, and politically disconnected from his race. He speaks in archaic terminology steeped in chivalry from an age long past, which has led [[Transcendent Technomorph|some]] to believe him to be little more than a doddering relic (a front he admittedly finds useful at times). Despite this disconnect, Vector Prime never forgets that these strange modern creatures are the reason he guards space and time so fiercely. It is the miracle of time that allows these precious lives to continue and flourish across the multiverse.

Vector Prime has a "Guardian [[Mini-Con]]" called [[Safeguard (Cybertron)|Safeguard]], and is also responsible for the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]].

{{quote|I finally understand the true value of time, for it is the bonds between us that give time its meaning.|Vector Prime's last words|"[[Guardian (episode)|Guardian]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Unicron Trilogy continuity family===
====Fun Publications comics====
[[File:Vectorprimeut.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Hey, I can see THE DAWN OF TIME from here! Hi, Phil!]]
Vector Prime was created by Primus at the very beginning of its struggle with Unicron, 'drawn from the sublime material of a multiverse at the far end of entropy'. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 5|Vector Prime's profile in Club magazine #5}} During the long dormancy of [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] at the beginning of time, Vector Prime retreated from the march of history to prepare for when his skills would once again be called upon. From this isolation he watched the greatest victories and defeats of the Transformers across various timelines, intervening only when his hand was needed to preserve the balance of time. (For example, Vector Prime helped mend [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and repair the [[The Agenda (Part III)|timestorm]] that [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] had unleashed in the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]].) However, the awakening of Primus and Unicron returned Vector Prime to active service, following the wake of Unicron across the multiverse to prevent or restore what damage the Dark God had inflicted with its contaminating presence.

After the [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Powerlinx Battles]], Primus attempted to lock Unicron's essence away in the center of a newborn sun, but this plan backfired and the sun collapsed into a black hole, also known as the [[Unicron Singularity]]. This threatened the multiverse itself, so Vector Prime was called back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] to assist the Autobots in locating artifacts which would destroy the black hole. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}

[[File:Vectorprimeutramjet.jpg|thumb|Hey, we got swords. Let's parry.]]
During the Autobots' search, Vector Prime would routinely confer with [[Alpha Trion (Energon)|Alpha Trion]] on their progress. During one such visit, Unicron's heralds [[Ramjet (Universe)|Ramjet]] and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] attacked Cybertron, prompting Alpha Trion to recruit some extra-dimensional help in the form of [[Sentinel Maximus]]. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}} No sooner had Maximus arrived than Ramjet and Nemesis came blasting into Alpha Trion's chamber; Vector duelled with Ramjet, but was unable to prevent him from heavily damaging Alpha Trion and destroying [[Vector Sigma]]. {{storylink|Balancing Act}} After placing Alpha Trion in a repair chamber, Vector Prime explained to Sentinel Maximus the extent of the peril they faced; it was Ramjet's plan that Nemesis Prime would unleash his [[Dead Matrix]] to destroy their Creator. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 2}} Deducting that their opponents would likely next strike at the [[Kalis Primary Energon Reserves Control]], Vector Prime and his allies preemptively traveled there to defend it. Sure enough, another one of Unicron's pawns, [[Scorponok (Energon)|Dark Scorponok]], soon turned up and attacked the facility. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 3}} Dark Scorponok was felled, but Vector Prime came to realize that the shambling creature had acted as a distraction while Ramjet and Nemesis Prime had made their way towards their true target: the chamber housing Primus's essence, deep within Cybertron. Vector Prime opened a warp gate and traveled with Sentinel Maximus to head off their enemies before the wicked machinations came to fruition. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Part 4}} Vector Prime and Ramjet's fight left the chamber and took them high above Cybertron. Ramjet offered Vector Prime another option to his plan: it was within Vector Prime's power to restore Unicron from the Singularity, dooming this Cybertron but saving all others. Vector Prime refused, claiming that they could restore balance to the multiverse without saving Unicron. {{storylink|Balancing Act, Pt 5}} Though Vector Prime was able to defeat Ramjet and seal him away in another dimension, {{storylink|Revelations Part 1}} this act weakened him considerably. The guardian of space and time returned to the Autobots on [[Earth]] and left Cybertron in the care of [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]], a Mini-Con who had taken the reins of what remained of Vector Sigma. {{storylink|Revelations Part 2}}

While on Cybertron of [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon]], [[Nexus Prime]] decided to tell his companion [[Aquarius (SG)|Aquarius]] about the ancient artifact he was trying to find, the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]]. As he explained to Aquarius that the artifact was originally intended to serve good Transformers, the face of Vector Prime flashed through his mind. {{storylink|The Coming Storm: Part 1}} Eventually, Nexus succeeded in finding all the pieces of the shattered sword, and united the rebuilt blade with the [[Terminus Blade]] with the intention of strengthening the multiverse and making the walls between dimensions less permeable. Vector Prime and the rest of the Thirteen were drawn to this momentous event from across space and time, but as a consequence of Nexus's actions, Vector and his brothers and sisters ceased to exist as multiversal singularities. They were splintered into infinite variations of themselves and scattered throughout the multiverse, sentient reoccurring themes each appearing in their own way, if at all, in all the worlds of the multiverse. {{storylink|Out of the One, Many}}

====''Cybertron'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Richard Newman]] (English), [[Show Hayami]] (Japanese)|[[Joscha Fischer-Antze]] (German), [[Sepuh Apikian]] (Armenian), [[Ossi Valo]] (Finnish), [[Fredrik Beckmann]] (Swedish), [[Michel Dodane]] (French), [[Davide Marzi]] (Italian), [[Salvador Serrano]] (Castilian Spanish), [[José Mendez]] (Latin-American Spanish)}}

[[File:Cyb ep47 outside of time.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Twelfth Doctor, Transformerfied]]

Vector Prime spent much of his existence outside the linear flow of time, observing reality from afar. When he sensed the effect of the [[Unicron Singularity]] upon the timestream, he attempted to voyage further into the future to see what the outcome would be, only to strike a barrier which he found he could not pass beyond. Peering through the barrier and seeing only endless nothingness, Vector Prime realized that the black hole would go on to consume all space and time if he did not finally leave the safety of his extra-dimensional realm and re-enter the linear flow of time to help seal it. {{storylink|Guardian (episode)|Guardian}} Appearing in the skies over Cybertron, Vector Prime immediately made contact with Optimus Prime and his Autobot team, making them aware of the Cyber Planet Keys and how they could stop the black hole. As Vector Prime then synchronized his map of the keys’ locations to the current arrangement of the cosmos, he was approached by the evil [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]], who exploited Vector Prime's diminished memory of the Autobot/Decepticon conflict and convinced him to hand over the map. Alas, Vector Prime realized his mistake just as the other Autobots arrived to attack Megatron. The villain made good his escape, but not before his lieutenant [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] caused Autobot warrior [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] to be caught in the black hole's gravitational pull, forcing Vector Prime to open a portal to save him, transporting him to [[Earth]].

[[File:Cyb ep1 loris shirt.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|"This is Clara, my carer. She cares so I don't have to."]]

Vector Prime joined with [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots in relocating to Earth. En route, Vector Prime explained to Optimus that the black hole threatened not only Cybertron, but would go on to swallow all of creation if not dealt with. He then doubled back, explaining he had to retrieve the cosmic map Megatron had stolen. Optimus Prime insisted on having [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Hot Shot]], and [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]] accompany him, deeming the task too dangerous for Vector Prime to handle on his own. Vector Prime's team came upon Megatron and Starscream inside an asteroid belt. While Jetfire and Vector Prime dealt with Starscream, Overhaul and Hot Shot tackled Megatron. Unfortunately, the Decepticons proved to be simply too powerful, and the Autobots were unable to prevent them from escaping once more. Vector Prime then rendezvoused with Optimus back on Earth, where the Autobots had already befriended three human children. Upon meeting these humans, Vector Prime recognized a symbol decorating the T-shirt of the female, [[Lori Jiménez|Lori]], as the pattern of the Omega Lock, the device that focused the power of the Cyber Planet Keys, and deduced that it lay in hiding somewhere on Earth. {{storylink|Fallen (episode)|Fallen}} {{storylink|Inferno (episode)|Inferno}}

Vector Prime then aided his Autobot allies in building their base of operations on Earth. During the blasting that preceding construction, he discovered that the children were able to hear the [[Omega Frequency]], the trans-sonic signal given off by the Omega Lock that was inaudible to the Autobots. This would make them invaluable in the search for the artifact. As the base neared completion, Megatron and Starscream were detected heading towards Earth once again. The base's stealth coating had yet to be fully applied, and so Vector Prime joined Optimus, Jetfire, and Hot Shot in keeping the villains out of sensor range while the rest of the team finished this task. Vector Prime used the power of a Cyber Planet Key to send the Decepticon leader and his lackey fleeing, awing his comrades. Having deemed them worthy, Vector Prime then granted Optimus, Hot Shot, and Jetfire the ability to also summon their own Cyber Planet Keys. {{storylink|Haven}}

Walking in on the Autobots receiving word that the latest attempt at collapsing the black hole had failed, Vector Prime reiterated that they needed to track down the keys to the Omega Lock. The Autobots were doubtful at first, but Red Alert spoke up on Vector Prime's behalf, convincing his comrades that the keys should be their priority. Thundercracker was then detected by the airforce, forcing Vector Prime to help take him down before he caused too much trouble. He saved two human pilots from the Decepticon by opening a temporal portal for them to escape through. Megatron and Starscream then joined the battle, and explained that they had already found the first of the Cyber Planet Keys before they were forced away. {{storylink|Hidden}}

Further studies on the Omega Lock's pattern around the world led the Autobots to a museum in Mexico. While Vector Prime studied the artifacts within it, the rest of the team held off Thundercracker and Starscream, who had been tracking them. This Omega Lock turned out to be merely an imitation, but Vector Prime's scans yielded the co-ordinates of [[Velocitron]], the Speed Planet, resting place of the first Cyber Planet Key. Using his sword in conjunction with Optimus Prime's Matrix, Vector Prime opened a portal to this other world, through which Hot Shot and Red Alert were sent as an advance party. {{storylink|Landmine (episode)|Landmine}} The search for the Omega Lock next took the Autobots to the [[United Kingdom|British Isles]]. They excavated an ancient druid site, only to be met with another dead end. Once more, they were pestered by Starscream and Thundercracker, who managed to isolate Vector Prime and Optimus from their ground-based reinforcements. Though Starscream was fighting more strategically however, the Primes managed to lure their opponents close enough to the ground to overpower them and force them into another retreat. {{storylink|Space (episode)|Space}} Vector Prime teamed up with Landmine to continue searching for the Omega Lock, but returned from their excursion with nothing to show for it. That evening, Lori alerted the Autobots to a strange beacon emanating from a nearby forest, depicting the Lock's "Atlantis Pattern". Vector Prime and the team sped off to what seemed like a lucky break at last, only to find that the signal had been created by the Decepticons to lure them into a trap. As Optimus took on the enemy, Jolt reported that humans were inbound to their location. As neither side wanted to be discovered by more of the locals, the battle was brought to an abrupt halt, and all combatants withdrew. {{storylink|Speed}}

[[File:Cyb ep9 time slip.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.67|But where's Cringer, his fearless friend?]]

Jetfire and Vector Prime were contacted by Scattorshot and Optimus to alert them of an emergency in [[Rockville]]: the nearby [[Mount McDermott]] was about to collapse into an underwater reservoir, which would lead to a catastrophic flooding of the entire town. Thankfully, Coby came up with a plan to drain the reservoir, and the Autobots created a controlled collapse of the mountain to prevent further harm from coming to Rockville. After this plan was successfully implemented, Vector Prime congratulated his comrades on a job well done. {{storylink|Collapse}}

Returning to the search for the Omega Lock, Vector Prime next headed for a tropical island, allowing the children to tag along for a mini-vacation of sorts. This turned out to be another false lead. Before heading off to their next destination, Vector Prime took the time to discuss his temporal powers with the children, informing them that though they might seem impressive, they had become limited in his old age. The group next headed for the [[Sahara]], where they were joined by Optimus and Jetfire. There, they found what appeared to be the Omega Lock on open display within some ancient ruins. But the Decepticons had been following them, and the battle for the artifact had catastrophic consequences: Megatron's managed to kill the Mini-Cons! Distraught over their untimely demise, Vector Prime drew on a greater portion of his powers for the first time in ages. He rewound time to save the Mini-Cons, though the resulting drain on his systems left him too weak to continue fighting. The lock in question was proven to be a fake. {{storylink|Time (episode)|Time}}

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After rescuing an Autobot civilian from Thundercracker, the Autobots were led to another iteration of the Atlantis pattern. The inscription detailed the coordinates to the next planet where a Cyber Planet Key was hidden: the [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Jungle Planet]]. Vector Prime opened a dimension gate to transport Overhaul and Landmine to this new world, but was struck by the returning Thundercracker before Landmine could traverse the portal. Due to his injuries, Vector Prime couldn't open up another dimension gate, leaving Overhaul stranded on an alien world alone. {{storylink|Search (episode)|Search}} Shortly afterwards, another Autobot civilian alerted Optimus Prime's team to another sighting of the Atlantis seal, this time on the ocean bottom in the [[Bermuda Triangle]]. Making their way underwater, the Autobots explored the area. Vector Prime, the Mini-Cons and the children found an entrance leading to a control room, and the elder Cybertronian concluded that Atlantis was in fact an ancient Cybertronian ship that had crashed in Earth's prehistory. In order to keep it out of the Decepticons' reach, Vector Prime activated the craft and teleported it away with only himself, the kids and Mini-Cons aboard. {{storylink|Deep}} Using the children's sensitivity to the Omega Frequency, Vector Prime tracked down the Omega Lock in the bowels of the ''Atlantis''. Though Megatron appeared to claim the relic for himself, activating the ship's self-destruct mechanism in the process, Optimus caught up to his old foe and dueled him for the Omega Lock. Meanwhile, Vector Prime took the children to safety. Optimus emerged victorious. When Vector Prime laid hands on the Omega Lock afterwards, it created a new spacebridge network, linking all of the planets hosting Cyber Planet Keys. Vector Prime accompanied Optimus and Landmine to the Speed Planet in response to a distress call from Red Alert. {{storylink|Ship}}

There, he observed [[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Hot Shot]] try to win the world's Cyber Planet Key in a racing tournament. {{storylink|Hero (episode)|Hero}} He did not actually participate-mainly because his vehicle mode lacked wheels-but he offered encouragement and advice when he could. {{storylink|Race}} The races were intense enough to get even him worked up, although he did his best to restrain his enthusiasm to Optimus Prime's mild amusement. {{storylink|Detour (episode)|Detour}}

[[File:Cyb ep16 feed me seymour.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|But whatever they offer you, don't feed the plants!]]

While Hot Shot trained for a particularly grueling track, the Autobots received a transmission urging them to come to the [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Jungle Planet]] to help [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]], sent there in advance to seek out the second Cyber Planet Key. [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] offered to go, but Vector Prime and Optimus decided to make the trip, as they could open the dimension gate necessary to go there anyway. When they arrived, they were attacked by a massive plant monster, but Overhaul-now in the form of Leobreaker-saved them with his claws. Vector Prime joined Optimus in explaining the black hole's threat to Leobreaker's new friends, [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] and [[Backstop (Cybertron)|Backstop]], but was confused to learn that they had not, in fact, sent a distress signal at all. He then joined the others in confronting world leader [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], battling [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] (who had sent the distress signal simply to watch the factions battle) and witnessing Optimus and Leobreaker's first combination into Savage Claw Mode. {{storylink|Savage}}

[[File:Cyb ep9 meteor attack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Hitting you where the sun definitely shines.]]

Soon after, Vector Prime and the other Autobots met Scourge and Megatron's forces in another battle, lured into a canyon thanks to Sideways' trickery. He was also among the 'bots who watched Leobreaker's attempted interrogation of the two-faced trickster when the battle ended, {{storylink|Sand}} and returned to Velocitron in time to stop Megatron from stealing the Planet Cup after Hot Shot defeated Override in the final race. {{storylink|Champion}}

While most of the Autobots went back to Earth to investigate a disturbance created by the Omega Lock, Vector Prime returned to the Jungle Planet with Optimus Prime and Leobreaker, intending to secure the second Cyber Planet Key. {{storylink|Ice}} Their attempt to reason with Scourge failed miserably, leading to Leobreaker separating from Optimus mid-speech and futilely attacking the dragon-bot himself. With the lion storming off in a huff, Vector Prime accompanied Optimus back to Backstop's cave, where he learned of Scourge's beginnings as a student of Backstop's. Vector Prime was also present at the volcano Leobreaker had chosen to seclude himself in, and witnessed his reconciliation with Optimus Prime, the latter at last deciding to face Scourge in battle. {{storylink|Honor}} The Autobots ran into a Decepticon ambush en route to Scourge's temple, and Vector Prime had to use his sword to free the beast 'bots and Hot Shot from a net. He later stood back and watched Optimus and Leobreaker finally defeat Scourge in battle, winning the right to take the Cyber Planet Key. {{storylink|Primal (Cybertron)|Primal}}

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Unfortunately, Megatron led his Decepticons on an immediate counterattack, desperate to obtain the Planet Key. While most of the Autobots fended off Starscream and Thundercracker, Vector Prime came up with a plan to splinter the Decepticons. He distributed boxes amongst the Autobots, with the key's location unknown to even them, and bade them scatter to force the Decepticons to spread out. Vector Prime himself came face-to-visor with Sideways, intent on acquiring the "key". The enigmatic jet managed to steal the box, warping around Vector Prime and bypassing Safeguard with his faction-switching abilities, but learned it was a fake when he found naught but a rock inside. He later joined the rest of the Autobots in fending off Megatron and Starscream's attempted theft of the true key. {{storylink|Trust (Cybertron)|Trust}}

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The insertion of the Jungle Planet Key into the Omega Lock transported the Autobots into a strange dimension that Vector Prime identified as the consciousness of Primus. The god himself briefly spoke to them through the Mini-Cons before fading away, and a signal again alerted them to something in the North Pole. {{storylink|Trap}} Unfortunately, what came out of the North was Starscream, Sideways, and ''legions'' of [[Ancient Decepticon]]s, hell-bent on finding the Cyber Planet Key hidden on Earth. Vector Prime soon joined the fray, using his sword to warp in the main Autobot forces to back Snarl up. The Autobots were eventually forced to fall back, but made two new allies in the form of [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]]. {{storylink|Invasion (episode)|Invasion}}

Knowing that Starscream would come looking for the Omega Lock and the other two Keys, the Autobots established a communications blackout, using a direct link to the human telephone network to keep the refugee Autobots calm. Vector Prime soon brought up another worry, however-the children and Mini-Cons were missing! The kids soon returned, bringing the eccentric scientist [[Lucy Suzuki]] with them, but [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]]'s advance transmission about the government's knowledge of the Autobots allowed Sideways to find the Autobot's base. With no other option, Optimus Prime led a full retreat to Velocitron while Evac retrieved the Cyber Planet Key of Earth, but Starscream followed them up the space bridge and launched a one-bot assault to claim the artifacts for himself. Vector Prime was the last to stand in the Decepticon's way, vowing to give up his spark before he relinquished the Lock. Despite being blackened and battered from previous attacks, Starscream still managed to take down the ancient guardian of time, stealing the Lock and all three Planet Keys. {{storylink|Retreat}}

Vector Prime was present at the Autobot's base when it received a strange signal after Starscream inserted the third Cyber Planet Key. Enlisting the aid of [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] to decrypt it, he reported that it came from Cybertron itself, instructing them to return the Lock and Keys to the planet itself. Unfortunately, the part about ''what'' happens when the Lock is returned was lost due to interference from the black hole-and worse yet, Megatron's Decepticons were on their way to Earth to settle their own grudge with Starscream. Vector Prime generated a warp to speed his allies' trip to [[Niagara Falls]], and found himself battling the traitorous Autobot [[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]]. He was shocked to discover that Landmine had practically raised the disgruntled warrior back on Cybertron...and even more dismayed to see Megatron cut down Hot Shot, Red Alert, and Scattorshot with a single volley from his newly unlocked Cyber Key machine gun. {{storylink|Revelation (episode)|Revelation}}

[[File:Cyb ep27 giant vector.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtkGtXtDlQA Lets go on a journey / a journey through all time / a TIME that's changing all the TIME / it's TIME to go to TIME!]]]

While others kept Megatron busy, Vector Prime evacuated the fallen warriors, assuring the pessimistic Scattorshot that they'd be fine. Upon returning to the battlefield, however, he grimly informed Optimus Prime that the situation of the trio was dire at best. Thankfully, Hot Shot, Scattorshot, and Red Alert recovered and reformatted, returning as the powerful [[Cybertron Defense Team (Cybertron)|Cybertron Defense Team]]. They kept the Decepticons occupied while Vector Prime warped Optimus, Override, and Evac to Starscream's newly discovered island base. {{storylink|Critical}}

Megatron's forces soon made a break for the island, causing Vector Prime to warp the rest of his team into the fray as well. He and Optimus pursued Megatron into a volcano, and Vector Prime saved Optimus' life by blocking Megatron's shots with his own body. They would have both met their ends nonetheless, had [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] not chosen that moment to join the party as well. In response to Coby's warning that the black hole was distorting the space around Cybertron, Vector Prime would suggest sending an advance team to clear a path for the return of the Omega Lock. {{storylink|Assault}}

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The two Primes continued their descent into the volcano, soon joined by Leobreaker. Vector Prime used a small warp to redirect one of Sideways' traps, hitting Scourge instead of them. When they finally met Sideways in battle, Vector Prime had the novel idea of attaching Safeguard to the warping enigma's back, allowing him to detect where Sideways would appear. When Starscream manifested himself as a giant, courtesy of Primus' stolen power, Vector Prime was trapped in the volcano, unable to move and with his sword out of reach. Wing Saber came to his rescue, and the pair escaped with the Omega Lock after fending off [[Thunderblast (Decepticon)|Thunderblast]]. {{storylink|Starscream (episode)|Starscream}} After seeing the Lock off with Leobreaker, Evac, and Override, he continued fighting against Starscream, and witnessed Optimus' combination with Wing Saber into Sonic Wing Mode to defeat the behemoth. {{storylink|United}}

With Starscream defeated, Vector Prime joined the rest of the Autobots in crossing the space bridge to Cybertron. They engaged Megatron, who managed to escape with the Omega Lock, but Optimus Prime battled him for possession of the Lock and keys within [[Fire dimension|Megatron's personal fiery dimension]]. At Optimus' order, Vector Prime used his portal-generating abilities to collapse the dimension in upon itself, forcing Megatron to use all his power just to keep it open. Combining his own power with that of the Lock, Vector Prime fired a beam straight into the occupied Decepticon, apparently destroying Megatron. Vector Prime later encouraged Optimus to place the Lock within Cybertron-and the planet started coming apart beneath their feet. After evacuating the team to a nearby moon, Vector Prime realized that the planet wasn't separating; it was transforming into Primus himself! {{storylink|Cybertron (episode)|Cybertron}}

After Primus revealed that the fourth Cyber Planet Key rested on [[Gigantion]], homeworld of the Recon Mini-Con Team, Vector Prime recounted how he met the diminutive Transformers when they were lost playing hide-and-seek. He joined his friends in confronting the Decepticons (tenuously led by Scourge), and then joined everyone in gaping at Starscream's brazen attack on Primus himself. Vector Prime doubted Starscream's sanity for daring to attack their creator, but Primus' disposal of the treacherous jet allowed Vector Prime to finally regain the Planet Map. {{storylink|Balance}}

Sadly, a series of problems presented themselves after this small victory; Megatron returned in a mysterious ghost-like form, and the Mini-Cons seemingly disappeared along with the children. Vector Prime left to investigate the latter development, and reviewed the security camera footage at their headquarters. Discovering that Sideways had stolen the Mini-Cons and that the children had pursued him, Vector Prime requested Scattorshot and Red Alert's aid in locating them. {{storylink|Darkness (episode)|Darkness}} Continuing to work as the battle raged outside {{storylink|Memory (Cybertron)|Memory}}, they finally received a signal from the kids, reporting that they were trapped on the ''Atlantis'' in the shadow of Earth's moon. Vector Prime led Scattorshot and Red Alert through a warp gate to the ship and caught an escape pod carrying Coby, Lori, and [[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]]. Unfortunately, the other pod (carrying Bud, Jolt, and [[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]]) was caught in the warp field of the ''Atlantis'' before the Autobots could retrieve it and was teleported away to parts unknown. {{storylink|Escape (episode)|Escape}}

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Predicting that the ''Atlantis'' will be heading for Gigantion, Vector Prime reassured Coby and Lori that their friends would be fine in the warp gate to the planet, thanks to their flexible minds. Transformers, however, are not so flexible, and so Red Alert began working on a stabilizing program, partially based on Vector Prime's sword. Vector Prime would join Optimus Prime in convincing the kids' doubting parents to allow Coby and Lori to join them on the trip to Gigantion. He also denied their fathers' wish to go as well, citing the requirement of an open mind (which the adults had just proven they lacked), but joined Optimus in promising to protect the children with his life. {{storylink|Family}}

With the children's assistance cemented, Vector Prime began rigorously studying the Planet Map for the location of the dimensional rift that led to Gigantion. He discovered the gate just after Primus defeated a superpowered Starscream, {{storylink|Titans}} informing the others that the gate is open for only a few days every year. After again reminding Coby and Lori about their immunity to the warp's effects, he helped load supplies onto the newly arrived ''[[Ogygia (Cybertron)|Ogygia]]'' starship. After receiving his copy of the stabilizing program via injection (and observing Primus shooting down Jetfire's attempt to avoid getting one), Vector Prime boarded the ''Ogygia'' as it entered the warp, warning everyone that even the slightest moment of doubt or fear could destabilize the tunnel. After an unpleasant encounter with the Starscream-controlled ''Atlantis'', he joined his comrades in blasting a hole through a massive asteroid in the ''Ogygia'''s path before finally arriving in the dimension of Gigantion. {{storylink|Warp}}

After landing on the Giant Planet, Vector Prime joined the search for the Cyber Planet Key, and came up empty-handed. When the Autobots met planet leader [[Metroplex (Cybertron)|Metroplex]] and his lieutenant [[Quickmix (Cybertron)|Quickmix]], neither of whom allowed them access to the lower levels of the planet, Vector Prime attempted to create a warp, but found he could not due to security measures around the planet. After a confrontation with Megatron's goons, now including rebellious Gigantion native [[Menasor (Cybertron)|Menasor]] and enigmatic impersonator [[Soundwave (Cybertron)|Soundwave]], Metroplex and Quickmix were more willing to cooperate, {{storylink|Giant}} but admitted that they deleted all data on the lower levels from their memories to escape their past.

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Undeterred, the team set up equipment to help Vector Prime determine the general location of the Cyber Planet Key. Using the Omega Lock, Vector Prime found the Key, but also realized that someone else had drawn power from it. Fearing the worst, the Autobots split into teams, with Vector Prime accompanying Optimus and Metroplex. Unfortunately, this allowed them to be picked off by Megatron, who had used the Cyber Planet Key to upgrade himself. By the time Optimus's team caught up with the Decepticon leader, he had dealt with every other Autobot, completed his transformation, and renamed himself Galvatron! In this state, he struck down Vector Prime with a single blow, and only the combined strength of Optimus Prime and Metroplex was enough to force his retreat. {{storylink|Fury (Cybertron)|Fury}}

When Scattorshot determined that there were four potential routes to the Cyber Planet Key, the Autobots again split up to cover all of the paths. Vector Prime teamed up with Optimus, Metroplex, Bud, and the Mini-Cons to travel down one of the trails. He joined Optimus in pursuit of Ransack and Crumplezone when the bumbling lackeys snatched Jolt, unable to fire for fear of hurting his friend, and gave Coby an approving thumbs-up when he dramatically transformed [[Cobybot|his personal mech]] to save Jolt. {{storylink|City}} After that, the journey was mostly uneventful, save for watching the Velocitronian partners in grime get beaten up and sent off (repeatedly), {{storylink|Ambush (episode)|Ambush}} and meeting up with Lori and Override. {{storylink|Challenge}}

When Bud and the Mini-Cons accidentally fell down a secret passage, Vector Prime remained with the group, as Optimus claimed they would be more effective as a team searching for their lost comrades. When they found their small friends, Bud had given Scourge an eye-opening talk, and the Jungle Planet leader immediately challenged them all to a duel (for reasons only they seemed to understand). Vector Prime was the second opponent, and easily defeated the dragon, who nonetheless challenged the next comer with enthusiasm. {{storylink|Scourge (episode)|Scourge}}

[[File:Cyb ep45 matrix glow.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"Two hearts beat as one..."]]

At last, the Autobots reached the central, organic layer of Gigantion, where the Cyber Planet Key rested in the ancient starship ''[[Lemuria (Cybertron)|Lemuria]]''. Unfortunately, both Galvatron and Starscream chose that moment to make their appearances, and the former's taunts were enough to force Optimus into a breakdown of self-doubt. Finding his best logic to the contrary useless, Vector Prime was forced to drastic measures: ''punching'' Optimus in the face. Berating his peer for his arrogance, Vector Prime explained that Optimus' men trust him with their lives, but ''he'' has to trust ''them'' to do their jobs. His words snapped Prime out of his momentary funk, and the duo continued on in time to see a super-sized Landmine defeat Starscream and engage Galvatron. The combined strength of the Autobots was enough to send the Decepticon leader into retreat, leaving Optimus to claim the Cyber Planet Key and thank Vector Prime for his support (and comment on his mean right hook). {{storylink|Optimus (episode)|Optimus}}

Vector Prime personally inserted the final key into the Omega Lock, opening a path to their home universe (via opening the planet layers and creating a space bridge). Barring their path, however, was Galvatron, intent on taking the now-completed Lock and achieving his dark plans. Vector Prime moved to stop him, but was aghast to learn that Galvatron could warp-as well as summon a massive blast that sent all the Autobots sprawling. With the Lock in Decepticon hands, Vector Prime made a final attempt to take it back, but Galvatron simply electrocuted the ancient Transformer through his own sword and knocked him back. Perhaps due to this beating, Vector Prime was only able to watch Galvatron's apocalyptic confrontation with Starscream and subsequent escape through the space bridge. He theorized that Starscream (and the two Planet X survivors also caught in the final clash of superpowered Decepticons) had been blasted into ''another'' dimension rather than destroyed, but bigger concerns arose when the gate between universes closed, leaving the Autobots stranded on Gigantion. {{storylink|Showdown (Cybertron)|Showdown}}

[[File:Cyb ep47 vector prime dies.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|I'll see you in another life, brother!]]

In the wake of this shock, Vector Prime was the only Autobot with any ideas on what to do, but Jolt, seemingly aware of what was coming, insisted against it. Instead, an attempt to create a space bridge generator was made, but Vector Prime was forced to destroy it after it released hordes of [[Laserbeak (Cybertron)|bird-like drone robots]]. Optimus assured Vector Prime that he had done the right thing, but it was realized by all that the only way back was through the warp, which would not open again for a year. With no other options, Vector Prime revealed the only way to get back to Cybertron was for him to reverse time to the point where the warp to Gigantion was open. Jolt cut in to point out that the effort would be enough to destroy him-in the conventional sense, anyways. Despite this, Vector Prime was adamant, knowing that the black hole would destroy all of time itself if left unchecked. In preparation for this final act, he released Safeguard, telling his old partner to live on Cybertron with the other Mini-Cons, gave his Planet Map to Bud, and told Optimus Prime that it was an honor to work with him. As the three Autobot starships took off, Vector Prime gave it his all to get his allies back to Cybertron, finally returning them to their own dimension before his energy gave out and his body dissolved into green particles of light. {{storylink|Guardian (episode)|Guardian}} Primus was aware of Vector Prime's sacrifice and assured Optimus Prime that Vector Prime would live on and that he would be honoured by the closing of the black hole. {{storylink|Homecoming (episode)|Homecoming}}

[[File:Cyb ep49 vector ghost.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Remember, the force will be with you. Always...]]

However, as Vector Prime had already explained to the Autobots, since he had existed for most of his life outside of time, he would ''always'' exist there, able to observe the passage of time, even though he could now no longer enter the linear universe. He swore to always watch over Optimus Prime and the Autobots, and would be there for them in spirit when their need was greatest. The first such moment came during Optimus Prime's pivotal moment within the black hole, as he appeared alongside the Autobot leader as he reached for the Omega Lock. {{storylink|End}}

[[File:Vector Primevs.Megatron.JPG|upright=1.4|thumb|Battling... IN THE NEXT DIMENSION!]]
Subsequently, the black hole was sealed, but Galvatron was not yet through, and challenged Prime to a final one-on-one duel. During the battle, as Galvatron stood poised to deliver the final blow, Vector Prime's Planet Map flew from the pocket of the watching Bud and moved between the two combatants, blocking Galvatron's blow. Vector Prime spoke to Optimus once more, promising to always be there for him, and bestowing upon him the greatest of gifts—his own sword, [[Rhisling]], with which Optimus Prime defeated and destroyed Galvatron once and for all. {{storylink|Unfinished}} Not long afterwards, as the Autobots departed on a mission across the universe to create a new [[space bridge]], Vector Prime appeared to Optimus once more, smiling at his old friend. {{storylink|Beginning}}

Vector Prime was last seen dueling Galvatron in an existence after death. {{storylink|Beginning}}
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====''Cybertron'' toy bios====
Inspired by {{w|The Time Machine (1960 film)|an old movie he once saw on Earth}}, Vector Prime once picked up a hobby whereby he would phase in and out of time to visit a small-town store in the Midwest, looking in the window every day. In 1986, he 'befriended' a gentleman in a fine suit who was always standing still in the window. For the next 110 years, Vector Prime visited the store to find see the gentleman's different outfits. Eventually, after changing owners, the store closed down, but Vector Prime regarded this temporary diversion fondly.<ref>Galaxy Force Vector Prime's [[Cyber Key Codes|Cyber Key Code]] [http://tfwiki.net/~fortmax/codes/index.html secret bio content]</ref>

====''Galaxy Force'' manga====
When the [[Unicron Singularity|Grand Black Hole]] began to devour Cybertron, Vector Prime opened a warp and sent [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] to Earth. When the humans Coby, Bud, and Lori failed to repair Landmine, Vector Prime arrived through a warp and thanked the kids for their efforts before repairing Landmine himself. Vector Prime revealed he was unable to save Optimus Prime, but his despair was distracted by the human children bombarding him with questions about Transformers (sound familiar?). Then Megatron showed up and used his hypnotic powers to mesmerize Vector into handing over the Map to the [[Cyber Planet Key|Ancient Power]]. Luckily, Coby was able to yell loud enough to snap Vector out of it. And then Optimus Prime showed up, alive and well, and forced Megatron into retreat. {{storylink|Touchdown! Optimus Prime}}

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====''Beast Wars Reborn''====
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When his brother [[Logos Prime]] plucked the [[spark]]s of [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] out of their home dimension following [[Great Transformation|their deaths]] and brought them into the "Unicron Trilogy" dimension with the intention of choosing one of them to be his successor and the recipient of his power, Vector Prime was forced to intervene. {{storylink|Master of the Game}} Remembering his sibling as a noble being, Vector was horrified to learn that he planned to pass his power to the evil Megatron, and the two did battle on the astral plane. {{storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}}

====''Kiss Players''====
[[File:KPVectorPrime.jpg|left|thumb|"Scary-Faced Gear Man", she calls him.]]
When the human [[Kiss Players (singing group)|Kiss Players]] became scattered throughout across the dimensions after their vessel [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|Brave Maximus]] collided into the "wall of time" while pursuing a mysterious golden hand through the timestream, [[Shaoshao Li]] found herself in the Unicron Trilogy timeline, around [[Aurex 105.08 Alpha|the time of the search]] for the Cyber Planet Keys. Finding herself on the deserted Cybertron, she was set upon by a horde of [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]], but was then saved by Safeguard and Vector Prime. He explained what had befallen her, then used his sword to slash a hole between dimensions, from which the golden hand—actually that of Primus himself—emerged to pull Shaoshao through. {{storylink|Transformers: Kiss Players (radio drama)|''Kiss Players'' radio drama #50}} {{storylink|Sparkbots Volume 3}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===
====As a multiversal singularity====

[[File:Ask Vector Prime Facebook.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Vector Prime: causing wiki headaches since 2015.]]

At some undetermined point in Vector Prime's life, he took the time to answer a series of questions about himself, other Transformers, and the ''Transformers: Cybertron'' toyline in a recurring feature on Hasbro's official ''Transformers'' website, to be reprised in ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'', ''[[Transformers Animated: The Complete AllSpark Almanac|The Complete AllSpark Almanac]]'', and a [[Fun Publications]]-provided Facebook account, called "[[Ask Vector Prime]]". Because of his mastery of time and space, it is impossible to determine when exactly he communicated with our universe, but it may have been during the course of events in the ''Cybertron'' animated series, as he answered questions regarding those events and other characters who he had not met before the series began.

Vector revealed much about himself in these pages, including much new information about his early life. He fondly remembered all his brothers, even knowing how three of them turned into dread monsters, and listened with rapt attention to the [[Liege Maximo]]'s tales of the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] and [[Primon]], stories he was not even sure were real or just legends. He and his brothers and sisters spent an extended period of time on Earth in ancient Greece, where the [[holomatter]] avatar he used formed the basis for human legends of {{w|Hermes}}, while Rhisling was likewise interpreted as the {{w|Caduceus}}.

[[File:WatchRoboCard.jpg|188px|thumb|right|Available in the finest vending machines across the country.]]

Following the final falling out between the Primes, after the shattering of the Star Saber, Vector helped hide away the five components that [[Nexus Prime]] had split himself into, then went into hiding in the universe [[Aurex 404.11 Kappa]] and locked away all memories of his trauma. Out of necessity, he took a much simpler form, one that turned into a device similar to a wristwatch. There, he became the Autobot leader and wielded the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. He had a bodyguard, [[Scorpia (G2)|Scorpia]], during his Matrix-bearer days, and the two became [[Transformer romance|close]] despite the difference in rank (and his initial reluctance to act on his feelings for a subordinate). After leading the Autobots to victory in the [[second Cybertronian war (Armada)|second Cybertronian war]] against such foes as [[Devron (Armada)|Devron]], [[Megazarak (Armada)|Megazarak]], and the [[Destructon]]s, he was called on by the [[Chronarchitect]] to help fix damage to Time itself! Reluctantly, he passed the Matrix to [[Guardian Major]].

With a group of fellows, the [[Time Warrior (AVP)|Time Warriors]]—Scorpia, medical officer [[Kaltor]], intelligence officer [[Autoceptor]], and quantum scientist [[Deceptor]]—Vector Prime faced foe and threat innumerable, with some timelines only knowing him as "First Autobot" or, when shortened, "Autobot" as a slur, meaning his watch self has often been mistaken for a person ''called'' Autobot. Eventually the Warriors discovered their true enemy, [[Mogahn the Mass]], an indescribable entity that absorbed entire star systems into itself. In the final battle, Vector found his mind entering the [[Realm of the Primes]] and learning his true identity once more; [[Amalgamous Prime|Adaptus]] gifted him the power to create the mighty sword Rhisling, and he smote Mogahn so hard that his remains went back in time and detonated in [[the Big Bang]]. Now once more aware of his true role in the multiverse, Vector Prime had to say a tearful goodbye to Scorpia. He tries not to remember her and does not like talking about it. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/10 and 2015/07/12}}

In another adventure, the GoBot '''Vec-Tor''' was forced to intervene after the always-mischievous [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] recruited [[Renegade#Gong|Gong]] to destabilize two universes, using the [[Omega Lock]]s far beneath [[Gobotron]]. After warping to a [[Primax]] universe, Vector Prime managed to undo the damage before Unicron could devour Cybertron, allowing history to progress along its proper course. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

Notable other revelations:

*His favorite human authors were [[Peter David]] and [[Alan Dean Foster]], though he seldom had time to read.
*He was a fan of the [[Dinobot (disambiguation)|Dinobot]]s.
*His favorite planet was Cybertron, and his favorite city there was [[Apophenia]].
*He was over nine billion years old, almost as old as the galaxy itself.
*He did not need to shave.
*He used to "boogie down" with [[Disco ball]] when he was younger, but not so much any more. He still enjoyed the symphonies created by the [[Eurythma]] natives. On the other hand, he was not a fan of the [[Knights of Unicron (band)|Knights of Unicron]], since he found their name tasteless.
*He found the [[Viron]] universal cluster to be underrated.
*He was unable to visit the [[Quadwal]] universal cluster.
*He knows which universes have manifested as fiction in Quadwal.
*Despite having traveled far and wide, he could not see why kids loved [[Cinnamon Toast Crunch]].
*He feared the [[Elder God]]s.
*He missed Safeguard, as well as Lori, Bud, and Coby.
*If he had to choose an Earth mode, he would choose a dirigible, though he didn't because he was "not here to blend."
*If he had to choose a beast mode, it would be a large sea mammal.
*He was not a fan of dragons.
*He was definitely not [[Santa Claus]].
*He held several misconceptions about humans, such as how long we could survive decapitation, and whether or not they enjoyed molten boron.
*Though he vehemently dismissed the Decepticon ideology, he did find his species too quick to jump to philosophical extremes, and wished they were more apt to find a middle ground.
*He could view events from elsewhere in the [[Omniverse]], and was impressed by the adventures of [[Ben 10]].
*He cherished his relationship with each of his fellow Thirteen original Primes, though he acknowledged that some of them had gone bad.
*He enjoyed [[Energon Z]] and Stanixian energon wine, but did not care for [[Red Energon]].
*The large glowing hole in his chest was a [[Critias Gate]]way.
*He answered to many names, including [[GoBots|Vec-Tor]], [[Convoy (disambiguation)|Vector Convoy]], Vector Maximus, Vector Maximo, and [[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Vector Prima-Vectorum]].
*He was in the process of absorbing the memories and experiences of his [[Vector Prime#Aligned continuity family|Uniend counterpart]], which would eventually alter his physical appearance.
*Since there were constant threats across the multiverse, he had no intentions of retiring anytime soon. If Vector Prime ever got the opportunity to settle down without jeopardizing space or time, however, he would like to become a factory and help build useful things.
*He eventually grew tired of having people ask him about the identities of nameless Transformers, and politely suggested that his audience could ask him more cosmically significant questions.
*In his downtime, he enjoys the art galleries of [[Axiom Nexus]].
*Everyone he ever cares about will grow old and die in what, to him, is just the pulse of a spark. Sometimes, he feels alone even when he's in a crowd.
*He had bravely faced down many threats during his life, but he dreaded the prospect of going up against [[Kinetic Solutions Incorporated|KSI]]'s legal department.
*He found biological functions confusing, and thus he had no wish to become a [[synthoid]].
*His favorite anime was ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)#Galaxy Force|Galaxy Force]]''. (don't think about this one too hard)
*His favorite character from [[Babylon 5]] was the ambassador {{w|Kosh Naranek|Kosh}}.
*In some universes, Vector is female. She would purchase ''[[Venus (magazine)|Venus]]'' as a guilty pleasure more often than when she is male. She sounds like [[Star Trek|Kate Mulgrew]].
*Though he doesn't have a birthday, per se, he suggests that a celebration could be held on [[September 19]], the day he first arrived on Earth (and, not coincidentally, the day [[Fallen (episode)|the first episode]] of Cybertron aired in the U.S.)
*He doesn't like talking about the various conflicts and tribulations that his species regularly undergo. He'd rather discuss music, art, and the beautiful things that he's seen across the multiverse; he rarely has the opportunity to talk about the nature of his work to someone on an equal level.
*His favourite human movie was ''[[Back to the Future]]'', due to the performance of lead actor {{w|Eric Stoltz}}.
*Among his favorite human television shows are ''[[Doctor Who]]'', ''[[Mystery Science Theater 3000]]'', ''[[Sliders]]'', and ''[[Quantum Leap]]''.
*He revealed himself as a [[Point One Percenter]] (after the Shroud).

The answers Vector Prime gave on Facebook were delivered at a time when he was living in [[Axiom Nexus]], and was employed to write an advice column position with [[Axiom Nexus News]] in [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]]. {{storylink|Axiom Nexus News Editor|Axiom Nexus News Editor, 2015/05/13}} He was viewed by the TransTech public as a respected if a bit eccentric elder 'bot, but ANN journalist [[Rook (TransTech)|Rook]] (correctly) suspected that Vector Prime was merely putting on an act. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/06/05}}

At one point during his tenure at ANN, he was kidnapped and tortured by [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]]. While Vector Prime was indisposed, Sideways took over his inventory of unanswered questions, and offered decidedly unhelpful answers. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Ask Sideways|Ask Sideways, 2015/06/27}} He was able to escape the clutches of Sideways when a [[David Willis|particularly infuriating question]] caused the head of the Herald of Unicron to suddenly explode. However, [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] was part of the [[Axiom Nexus Security Administration|OZSA]] team sent to rescue Vector Prime, and the Mini-Con initiated a [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] sequence with Sideways, allowing the Herald of Unicron to escape capture via a [[Dimensional Interfacer]]. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/07/08}}

After a few decades of recovery in other universes, Vector Prime resumed his advice columnist position in Axiom Nexus but, after [[Nexus Prime]] summoned him {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}}, the column fell into the hands of [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|a Grimlock]]. After being falsely told that Vector Prime lied about Dinobots and said they looked like jerks, Grimlock snarled "him look like jerks!" and, in a burst of wit, said Vector was ''old''. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Grim Grams|Grim Grams, 2015/10/03}} When [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]] took over the column, he was dismayed to note that he was filling in for a "filthy Guardian do-gooding dunce" and refused to answer any questions about Vec-Tor. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Renegade Rhetoric|Renegade Rhetoric (1), 2015/10/18}}

====As a TransTech====
{{voiceactor|[[Richard Newman]] ("Special Guest")}}

Vector Prime returned to Axiom Nexus soon after "the [[Shroud]]" had cut it off from every other universe. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|ANN live coverage, 2015/10/29}} Little did anyone in the city know, this "Shroud" was the product of Nexus Prime's unification of the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]], and the Vector who returned was not truly the same being as the one who had left: per the results of Nexus Prime's actions, the Vector who resumed his duties as host of the column was no longer a multiversal singularity, but a single incarnation of the many that now existed throughout the multiverse. This was a TransTech Vector Prime, native to Axiom Nexus, a "mere" 25 million years old, with a unique history of his own as a professor at the [[Academy of Science and Technology]] who had been the teacher of [[Rhinox (TransTech)|the local Rhinox]], and who had come up with the theoretical foundation of the [[universal stream]] classification system. Accordingly, he was left with only unclear memories of exactly had happened, much like a dream, and was no longer aware of his original nature: he believed his exploits as one of the Thirteen had happened to the (possibly newly created) other Vector Primes.

[[Image:AVP Vector and Scorpia do Nebulos.jpg|thumb|300px|right|That's Vector's holomatter disguise in the centre, but we get the feeling he'll change it a few times.]]

Briefly leaving his column in the hands of [[Spacewarp]] while he responded to a summons from the city's Ministry of Higher Dimensional Sciences, Vector Prime's experience with multiversal travel led to him taking part in an Axiom Nexus scheme to try to establish contact with one of the nine fundamental realities: specifically, [[Primax 984.0 Gamma]], requiring him to be stationed on [[Nebulos]] as a factory manufacturing [[hoverboard]]s, binary bonded to a local codenamed [[Safeguard (TransTech)|Safeguard]] and with a bodyguard known as [[Scorpia (TransTech)|Scorpia]]. He hoped he'd got on well with them!

In the interim, he endeavoured to answer questions and among his answers:

*He has 'dreams' of the exploits of other Vector Primes and believes this is down to an unusual physiology of his. While he has a vague sense of having been greater once, these memories "are but oneiric wisps, gossamer threads that vanish when I touch them."

*He's ''dramatically'' less interested in questions about who came from what universal stream. Stop wasting his time, nerds!

*He has visited a few other realities as a scholar. It was Rhinox that challenged him into getting out into the field.

*The students he remembers the most fondly after Rhinox are [[Perceptor (TransTech)|Perceptor]], [[Apelinq (TransTech)|Apelinq]], [[Proxima (TransTech)|Proxima]], and [[Brainstorm (TransTech)|Brainstorm]], who all did great things in their respective fields. [[Shockwave (TransTech)|Shockwave]], on the other hand, often challenged him to excel but they did not go on, each believing the other had deep problems. [[Deluge (TransTech)|Deluge]] and [[Herr Fiend]] were frustrating as neither seemed likely to do nice things with their skills.

Not long into his voyage on [[Galaxy Shuttle]], he started to develop tentative feelings for Scorpia. Unfortunately, his trip was interrupted by an abduction. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/11/19}} [[Spacewarp]] came to his aid on behalf of the wounded Galaxy Shuttle. {{storylink|Transformers: Spacewarp's Log|Spacewarp's Log (2), 2015/11/21 and 2015/11/22}} During the long, meandering journey, he fell in love with Scorpia and they became [[Conjunx Endura]]. He eventually arrived safely at Nebulos. He looked forward to exploring its wonders with his new guide and binary bonded Target/Powermaster, Safeguard. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2016/02/14 and 2016/02/15}}

===''Animated'' cartoon continuity===
When the battle between [[Starscream (Animated)|Starscream]] and [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|Optimus Prime]] caused the [[AllSpark]] to discharge an energy flare, this massive surge of cosmic power caught Vector Prime's attention. Peering through the dimensions, he observed the growing conflict between these Autobots and Decepticons and recorded his thoughts in a journal. {{storylink|Dispatches}} {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac|The AllSpark Almanac}} When he manifests in this dimension, Vector is known by the grandiose name of "Vector Prima-Vectorum".<ref>Originally an idea of [[Derrick J. Wyatt]]'s that never made it into any official media; later referenced in [[Ask Vector Prime]] (2015/06/24)</ref>

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' film===
After the Fallen was caught trying to harvest a [[Sun|star]] from a system with life, he turned on the other Primes and made war on them. In order to prevent the Fallen from harvesting the star, the remaining Primes (including Vector Prime) hid the [[Matrix of Leadership|key to the harvester]] inside a tomb made of their own bodies and sealed it with their own life essence. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
{{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

[[File:ROTF-sixprimes.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|I was the handsome one.]]

{{note|Vector Prime was among the [[Dynasty of Primes]], though it was unclear which exact Prime he was. However, since he simply claims that he was the "handsome one", this may have all been a joke. If not, Vector Prime's involvement in the preceding events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the novel "[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (novel)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]."}}

===Generation 1 continuity family===
====''Alternity''====
Vector Prime was contacted by his fellow defenders of space and time, the hyper-evolved Autobots known as the [[Alternity]], when they were facing their final hours. At the Alternity's behest, Vector Prime communicated with a race of two-dimensional beings called [[Planicron]]s who were under threat from [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]], and discovered that they were attempting to evolve beyond their two-dimensional existence. To do so, they had to pass through a doorway that took the form of a diagram somewhere on the Earth of [[universal stream]] [[Story of Binaltech|Primax 903.0 Beta]]. A team consisting of [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], [[Arcee (Energon)|Elita Seven]], and [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|Nemesis Prime]] successfully located the diagram, and Vector Prime proceeded to lead the Planicrons through it, successfully evolving them into higher-dimensional lifeforms that took the Alternity's place as defenders of reality. {{storylink|Alternation}}

====2005 IDW continuity====
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|''Transformers vol. 2'' #47]] (mentioned); [[Heavy|''Transformers: Till All Are One'' #9]] (obscured image); [[Origin Myths|''Optimus Prime'' #10]] (full appearance)

Vector Prime was one of the Thirteen Primes, who led the [[Thirteen Tribes]] of Cybertron that formed after the [[Knights of Cybertron]] left the planet. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}} He joined his tribe with those of [[Solus Prime]], [[Alchemist Prime]], [[Nexus Prime]], and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], the quintet commissioning the construction of [[Crystal City]], on the site where [[Primus]] had supposedly delivered his [[Prime Pastoral]], as a way of honoring their creator.

After [[Septimus Prime]] perished, Vector ran to his fellow Primes to inform them of the development that the [[The Fallen|killer]] had conquered Septimus's lands and was on the warpath. There was a mixed reception to this news. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} In the era that followed, Vector would come to command the loyalty of the [[Titan (group)|Titan]] [[Tempo]]. {{storylink|Ceremony}}

The death of [[Nexus Prime]] at the hands of [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] prompted all the remaining Primes, except [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], to flee Cybertron. Eons later, [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]] would send one of his [[Regenesis]] ores, [[Ore-1]], to [[LV-117]], a planet associated with Vector. {{storylink|The Crucible}} {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}} {{storylink|Ceremony}}

In the modern day, Vector Prime's name was remembered in the [[Way of Flame]], the religion of [[Solus Prime]]'s colony [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]]. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 2: Lagrange|Lagrange}}

====''Beast Wars: Uprising''====
In the 34th century CE, '''Vector Convoy''' was one of the [[Convoy Council]]. He usually abstained from voting the same as his peers. When the stolen ship ''[[Terrastar (BWU)|Terrastar]]'' left the Milky Way Galaxy, in violation of the Council's decree, Vector took part in the vote to send [[Astral Knight (BWU)|Astral Knight]] and his crew after them. Surprisingly, he agreed, though Astral noted it was with "infinite sadness". {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}

====''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material====
Vector Prime's [[Spark]] passed into the possession of one of the twelve [[Prime Master]]s; hidden within a suit of decoy armor, they safeguarded the abilities of the Primes until the present day. By uniting with a larger Transformer, the Prime Master could channel the powers of Vector Prime's Spark and grant them unique abilities that varied with each new partner. {{storylink|#Generations|''Power of the Primes'' Metalhawk / Vector Prime online bio}}

{{note|For a list of every permutation of Vector Prime's abilities, see [[Prime Master/Combinations|this link]].}}

===Aligned continuity family===
====''The Covenant of Primus''====
[[File:VectorPrime-CovenantOfPrimus.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2|"The only mystery worth solving here is how this thing passed its MOT."]]
Stern, serious, Vector Prime considered himself a force of order and balance in the universe, a mere extension of his creator [[Primus]]. His powers over time and space allowed him to create and prevent temporal paradoxes to suit his needs, and even distort reality as he saw fit. His personal artifact of power was the [[Blades of Time]], which he could use to travel through other dimensions. He also had [[Badge of Vector Prime|a badge]], seemingly for decoration.

The second of the Thirteen Primes to be created, Vector was a warrior Prime, joining Prima, Onyx, Amalgamous and Megatronus in the groupings among the Thirteen. After [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus]] had caused [[Unicron/Aligned|Unicron]] to fall into stasis, Vector Prime created a time loop around the inert form of the Chaos Bringer ensuring he would never awaken. Like the others however, Vector Prime was tainted by a touch of Unicron's darkness, which would mark the downfall of the Thirteen.

In the aftermath, Vector joined with Prima and [[Alpha Trion (WFC)|Alpha Trion]] to create rules and order for a new community and the upcoming birth of the Cybertronian species, thought their rules were found restrictive by the other Primes. Along with Trion and Prima, Vector was greatly confused by the romance between Solus and Megatronus. Despite this however, Vector commissioned a new mandala from Solus.

The end of the Thirteen came after [[Prima]] discovered that Megatronus, [[Quintus Prime]], and [[Liege Maximo]] had worked on a secret "farm" of robotic creatures, which Alchemist found troubling. Suspecting a sinister motive, Prima forced the rest of the Thirteen into a vote on the matter, and Vector voted against letting the project continue. Furious with the results of the debate, Megatronus inadvertently killed Solus in a dispute that [[Liege Maximo]] had orchestrated. Drawn by the commotion, the rest of the Thirteen arrived in time to see Solus's body return to the [[Core]], its passage creating the [[Well of All Sparks]].

Even after Megatronus offered his side of the story, accusations began to fly. The investigation degenerated into a free-for-all brawl between the remaining twelve siblings, which ended with Maximo getting killed by the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]] through uncertain means.

The survivors buried Liege Maximo's remains in a chasm and held a memorial to Solus Prime in deep space. Hoping to put their ugly past behind them, the Primes then turned their attention to Cybertron and their plans for the future. They decided to use [[Onyx Prime]]'s [[Triptych Mask]] to create a new race of robotic beings, as Primus had created them, with Onyx, Micronus, and Optimus travelling into the Well resulting in the creation of a new wave of Cybertronian creatures which the surviving Primes oversaw. Vector Prime's faith in his siblings however had long since been shattered and he quietly retreated to [[Realm of the Primes|another dimension]] when no one was looking.

One way or another his badge wound up in [[Vector Sigma]]'s possession. Millenia later, Alpha Trion would gift it to Sentinel Prime. Millenia after that, Optimus reassembled the Blades of Time.
{{storylink|Transformers: The Covenant of Primus|The Covenant of Primus}}
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====Aligned novels====
In the past, the once idealistic Vector Prime held the Thirteen together with his idealism, but despaired as his fellow Primes fell to fighting and backstabbing. He could understand a moment of anger that caused [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] to lash out and kill [[Solus Prime]], but when he discovered [[Liege Maximo]] actively scheming against his brothers, he could tolerate no more, and created a miniature pocket dimension for himself. This could only be accessed through the [[Blades of Time]], which were scattered across the [[Cybertronian colonies]] and guarded by [[Nexus Prime]]'s fractured selves. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

When he defeated [[Sentinel Zeta Prime|Sentinel Prime]] in combat, [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] noticed he wore the sigil of the noble myth of Vector Prime. {{storylink|Transformers: Exodus|Exodus}}

After discovering and assembling the Blades of Time, Optimus stepped through into Vector Prime's pocket dimension. Vector Prime had been expecting him, and called Optimus "Prime". He agreed to aid the [[Autobot]]s, and seemed surprised that Alpha Trion was still alive. He wondered how many of the Thirteen were still around. {{storylink|Transformers: Exiles|Exiles}}

====''Prime'' cartoon====
[[File:OneShallRise1-VectorPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]

According to legend, at the beginning of time, [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]] battled each other for eons, with neither side remaining victorious for long. Till, that is, Primus created the [[Thirteen]]. These Thirteen defeated Unicron and cast him into space. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 1}}

At some point, statues of Vector Prime and his brothers were made. They were placed in the chamber of the High Council. {{storylink|One Shall Rise, Part 3}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
The [[Uniend]] incarnation of Vector Prime was initially not part of the "multiversal singularity" Vector, as the Uniend Cluster was separated from the rest of the multiverse by a quantum membrane. When this membrane was punctured by the [[Dark Spark]], Uniend Vector began to be absorbed into the wavestructure of the living quantum event that was the singularity incarnation. As this process carried itself out, the singularity Vector began to experience and absorb the memories of the Uniend Vector, recalling how he had convinced [[Ironfletch]] to join the Autobot cause, and briefly worked alongside [[Rampart Punch]] and [[Avatar Brave]]. In particular, he expressed a fondness for his Uniend equivalent's [[Facial hair|beard]], and wondered if he would adopt it into his own facial structure. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime}}

====2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Troy Baker]] (English), [[Yasuhiro Kikuchi]] (Japanese)|[[Xavier Percy]] (French), [[Glauco Marques]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}
[[File:BattlegroundsPt1 vector prime.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|He knows about Setsuna Meiou being demoted to a dwarf planet.]]
When the evil of [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] threatened to return, endangering both Earth and Cybertron, [[Micronus Prime]] brought [[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]] before Vector and the other four Primes who dwelled within the [[Realm of the Primes]]. Speaking for the group, Vector announced that they could sense Optimus has not yet completed the necessary preparations that would allow him to safely receive a portion of power from each of the assembled Primes so that he could effectively combat Megatronus, but an impassioned speech from Optimus convinced them to go through with the power transfer. {{storylink|Battlegrounds, Part 1}}

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===''Kre-O'' online manga===
[[File:KreO vectorprime.jpg|right|thumb|upright=.75]]
In [[Fornax 813.0 Gamma|a universe]] built out of blocks, Vector Prime witnessed a Decepticon attack on [[Metroplex (Kre-O)|Metroplex]]. {{storylink|Two Giant Bases! Everybody Getting Along, Come On, Fight!}}
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===''Cyberverse'' cartoon===
Vector Prime was one of the [[Thirteen]]. {{storylink|Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths}} {{storylink|Silent Strike}} {{storylink|The Other One}}

==Games==
===Transformers Power Up: The Game===
{{Note|Vector Prime is one of four Transformers that can be built over the course of the game.}}
{{storylink|Transformers Power Up: The Game}}

==Toys==
===''Generation 2''===
[[File:G2AutobotGenerations.jpg|100px|thumb|Sadly not featured in a hilarious rap-filled commercial.]]
*'''Autobot''' (Watch, 1993)
**''Accessories'': Watchband
{{note|This toy was [[Repurposing|repurposed]] into an older form of Vector Prime via an entry of [[Ask Vector Prime]].}}

: [[Autobot (G2)|Autobot]] originated in the [[1983]] ''[[Microman]]'' ''[[Micro Change]]'' line as MC-06 Watch Robo, where he was available in four different colors. In [[1993]], he was released directly by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] in North America as part of ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'', alongside [[Scorpia (G2)|Scorpia]] and the wristwatches of [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]].

:He transforms from a boxy silver chrome robot to a boxy functional digital watch that attaches to a plastic wristband.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Autobot/Autobot/autobot.htm More information on Autobot at TFU.info]''
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Cybertrontoy hasbro and takara vector primes.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|The [[Last Autobot]]'s beiger cousin.<br>(Hasbro Vector Prime at left, Takara release on the right, and their respective Cyber Keys from top to bottom at center.)]]
*'''Vector Prime''' (Voyager, 2004/2005)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''GC-03'''
**''Takara release date'': [[December 28]], 2004
**''Accessories:'' Sword, missile, [[Zeonomicon|Cyber Key]]
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''v38g'''

: Part of the first wave of ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]/[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)#Takara Galaxy Force toyline|Galaxy Force]]'' toys, Vector Prime transforms into a large Cybertronic space cruiser with "solar panel" wings and a ''ton'' of clockwork/filigree detailing. His nosecone has a spring-loaded missile launcher at the tip, and an indented area over his cockpit for his pack-in Mini-Con partner [[Safeguard (Cybertron)#Toys|Safeguard]] to attach in jet/cannon mode. The nosecone ''also'' holds his [[Rhisling|sword]], the guard sticking out of the side to form a small stabilizer fin (with an immobile matching fin on the other side). In robot mode, raising his right arm triggers electronic laser sounds; inserting his unique [[Cyber Key]] into his <s>fly</s> abdomen in either mode activates a vague electronic charging sound, and replaces his arm-activated laser sounds with those of a clashing sword.

: First made available in Japan by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] several months ahead of [[Hasbro]]'s release, Vector Prime has some significant differences between these two separate releases. Where Hasbro's release features a high-contrast color scheme of stark white and rich chocolate-brown plastics, Takara's uses a softer metallic-tinged grey and burgundy. [[For safety reasons]], Hasbro uses a softer, bendable translucent plastic for Vector Prime's wings and sword, where Takara was able to cast these parts in firmer materials. Finally, there are numerous [[paint operation]] differences between the two: Takara's version features a burgundy trim that runs all around the figure's wings, extra red circles on his shoulders, silver paint on the thigh vents, and several additional gold details on his forearm guards, helmet crest, and the sides of his legs, while Hasbro's does away with these and adds instead a larger gold application around his midriff and Cyber Key slot, and an Autobot [[insignia]] on his vehicle-mode cockpit. Hasbro's Cyber Key is entirely unpainted translucent blue with a [[Cyber Key Codes|Cyber Key Code]] printed on the back, Takara's features a generous metallic silver paint coating and no code.

: Unhelpfully, [[:File:VectorPrime toy.jpg|stock photos of Vector Prime]] depicted a conglomerated version of the figure with Hasbro's white plastic, Takara's burgundy, and all the different paint applications from both versions, as shown left.

: The Korean [[Mocom Toy]] version of Takara Vector Prime replaces the silver paint of his Cyber Planet Key with a light gray.

: This mold was also used to create [[BotCon 2007]] [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/VectorPrime/vectorprime.htm More information on Vector Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Cybertrontoy vprime vs sscream.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Vector Prime'' vs ''Starscream''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories:'' [[Rhisling|Sword]], missile, [[Zeonomicon|Cyber Key]]
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''v38g'''

: The Vector Prime in this [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] set is identical to the regular-retail version. He comes with a unique version of [[Starscream (Armada)/toys#VsVector|Starscream]], a Voyager-class mold that was otherwise not available at normal US retail, and in an entirely new deco to boot.

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[[File:LOC VectorPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|And I'm his poorer cousin who can't afford paint.]]
*'''Vector Prime''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)

: As part of the ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'' line, Vector Prime is a miniature, heavily-simplified version of the Voyager-class toy, yet retaining much of the sculpted detailing. He was part of the third wave of product, the first wave to be sold outside of "[[market six]]" stores and in "big box" chains like Toys 'R' Us and Kmart.

: Some stock photos of this figure, including the ones on the back of its packaging,<ref name="locvprime">[http://www.shmax.com/product_details/271/vector_prime Legends of Cybertron Vector Prime's packaging] at Shmax.com</ref> depict Vector Prime with functional elbows. Evidently, a [[design change]] was implemented at some point; on the final release, the arms are cast as one piece, with ''fake elbow joints'' as moulded detail. OK then.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Scattershot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Scattershot]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/LOCVectorPrime/vectorprime.htm More information on ''Legends of Cybertron'' Vector Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Cyb GFVectorPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Safeguard pimps his ride. Fo sho.]]
*'''Galaxy Force Vector Prime''' (Voyager, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Sword, missile, Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''vz74'''

: Not to be confused with the ''Galaxy Force'' release of Vector Prime, Hasbro's "Galaxy Force Vector Prime" is a matte gold & clear-orange [[redeco]] of Vector Prime released in the eighth and final wave of ''Cybertron'' Voyagers, the only new toy in that assortment. The packaging photography shows the [[prototype]] as considerably more blinged out than the rather yellowish matte gold plastic actually used for the production run. He retains all of his normal gimmickry from the original release.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/GFVectorPrime/vectorprime.htm More information on Galaxy Force Vector Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:JollibeeVectorPrime toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|The Guardian of Shakes and Fries]]
*'''Vector Prime''' (Jollibee Kids Meal, 2007)

: Available exclusively from the [[Jollibee]] restaurant chain in the Philippines, this small scale, extremely simplified version of Vector Prime was sold under the subline ''Transformers: Cybertron Robot Blasters''. Similar to the ''Legends of Cybertron'' version, the Robot Blasters Vector Prime has an even more simplified transformation sequence and less articulation and paint detailing. However, he impressively retains a significant amount of Vector Prime's sculpted detailing.

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===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Universe2008 VectorPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Last Autobot [[homage]]: Denied!]]
*'''Vector Prime with Mini-Con Safeguard!''' (Voyager, 2009)
**''Series'': Cybertron Series
**''Accessories:'' Sword, missile, Cyber Key

: Vector Prime was re-released in the fourth wave of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' series]] Voyagers, redecoed in black, brown, and blue. Notably, this is the first Hasbro iteration of the figure to have painted wings like the Takara Galaxy Force version, as well as being the only version with a painted sword blade. Like [[BotCon]] exclusive [[Alpha Trion (SG)#Toys|Alpha Trion]], sadly, he has been gutted of his electronic features, rendering the Cyber Key pointless; the battery compartment is even riveted shut.

:This toy was shipped in extremely low quantities, and as a result was a very rare sight at U.S. retail stores.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUVectorPrime/vectorprime.htm More information on ''Universe'' Vector Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Power of the Primes''===
[[File:TF-POTP-Prime-Master-Vector-Prime-with-Metalhawk.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Vector Prime''' (Prime Master, 2017)
:*''Takara ID number'': '''PP-03'''
:*''Takara release date'': [[May 25]], [[2018]]
:*''Accessories'': [[Metalhawk (G1)#Power of the Primes|Metalhawk]] decoy armor, cannon

:''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' Vector Prime is a [[Titan Master]]-sized mold that transforms from a small robot modeled after [[Metalhawk (G1)#Toys|Metalhawk]]'s inner robot mode into a [[Prime Master]] that can store inside decoy armor modeled after Metalhawk's [[Pretender]] shell, or plug into any Prime Master shell's weapon form, or replace a ''Power of the Primes'' Leader's [[Matrix of Leadership/toys#Power of the Primes|Matrix]] core. They could also ride Legends Class figures, and can attach to Deluxe Class figures' chest armor, Voyager Class figures' bucklers, or Voyager Class figures' combined mode.

:Though designated for a first quarter 2018 release, Vector Prime's wave actually reached U.S. store shelves in November 2017. In an unusual error, some units of Vector Prime / Metalhawk came with two Prime Masters.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/some-power-of-the-primes-figures-shipping-with-two-prime-masters-report/40365/ Seibertron, 2017/12/24: Some Power Of the Primes Figures Shipping With Two Prime Masters: Report]</ref> Unlike every other Titan Master / Prime Master, he and his fellow first wave Prime Masters feature backpacks/symbols secured by pins instead of screws.

:The Vector Prime / Metalhawk mold was retooled into [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Power of the Primes|Alpha Trion]] / [[Landmine (G1)#Generations|Landmine]] and again into [[Quintus Prime#Toys|Quintus Prime]] / [[Bludgeon (G1)#Power of the Primes|Bludgeon]].
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==Merchandise==
===''Attacktix''===
[[File:Attacktix VectorPrime.jpg||thumb|upright=1.1|Go ahead. Ask me again about how well I blend.]]
*'''Vector Prime''' (Booster, 2006)
{{attacktix
|ID=TF11
|faction=Autobot
|class=Leader
|special=Vengeance—2525 (77%) success ratio
|cost=40
|speed=4
|attacktype=Shooter (Energy Blast)
}}
:Part of the first assortment of ''[[Attacktix]]'' Transformers-series Booster packs, Vector Prime is one of the less stable shooters his size. He has three points of articulation (shoulders and waist) which you can use to put him in a more stable stance than his default, though it doesn't look very comfortable.

:Vector Prime appears to have been created as the counterpart to the powerful Decepticon [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] figure. His Special Power is the antithesis of Scorponok's, allowing you to instantly remove up to two of your opponent's in-play [[Insecticon (Energon)|Insecticons]]. Who knew Vector Prime hated Terrorcons so much?

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/AttacktixVectorPrime/vectorprime.htm More information on ''Attacktix'' Vector Prime at TFU.info]''
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===Jollibee===
*'''Vector Prime''' (Jollibee promotion, 2007)
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==Notes==
===General===
[[File:VectorPrimeGoldCG.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Vector Prime goes Super Saiyan.]]
* Like other members of the Thirteen, Vector Prime was once established as a [[multiversal singularity]], existing as one being across all of time and space, but that is [[Shroud|no longer the case]].
*"Vector Prime" was the originally proposed name for [[Sentinel Maximus]], going so far as to be printed on Sentinel Maximus's shipping cases.
*During pre-production of the ''Cybertron'' franchise, Hasbro requested [[Don Figueroa]] produce a concept design for Vector Prime. [http://www.unicron.us/tf2007/figueroa/DonceptVector-b.jpg Figueroa's design] depicted the character as much older and with a noticeable hunch, and ultimately went unused in favor of his final design.
*Vector Prime's design drew heavily from Egyptian imagery and {{w|Swiss made}} watches.<ref>{{instagram|One of my favorite character designs. He was created for Cybertron animation and incorporated into the TF aligned continuity project. Heavily based on Egyptian influences as well as swiss watches, we wanted his age to show in his design that he came from an much older time than #Optimus and the gang. I altered his head colors to create a more uniform look.|https://www.instagram.com/p/CEuFhNtA5bn/|Aaron Archer|2020|09|04}}</ref> The vaguely pharaonic head of one of the earliest known sketches of Vector Prime had a resemblance to {{w|Giant Robo (OVA)|Giant Robo}}, but [[Aaron Archer]] had no idea what Giant Robo was when questioned about it—although, to be fair, the sketch was not one Archer had done himself.<ref>http://tfu.info/issue12/aaronsdesk.htm Stuff From Aaron's Desk, Day 22</ref>
*According to the [[Hasbro]] panel at [[BotCon 2006]], Vector Prime's head was largely based around the [[Autobot]] insignia. At one point in the design process, a flip-down battle mask identical to the Autobot symbol was proposed.<ref>[http://www.flickr.com/photos/naladahc/256973979/in/set-72157594305640507/ BotCon - Friday - Vector Prime's original head]</ref> Also, he was originally going to have two swords, as seen in the image on the right.
*Aaron Archer feels that Vector Prime's vehicle mode was a little undercooked, in comparison to the robot mode.<ref>{{instagram|I wish we worked on the vehicle mode as much as we did the bot....|https://www.instagram.com/p/CEuFhNtA5bn/c/17860106990087566/r/17913964018469268/|Aaron Archer|2020|09|04}}</ref>
*The "Galaxy Force Vector Prime" color scheme appears to have been inspired by a [[GONZO]] CGI color mock-up done before Vector Prime's final coloration was decided. A Hasbro design chart showing this and other concepts was first seen at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2005, and was present at [[BotCon 2005]] later that same year. The image also made an appearance during a slideshow at one of Hasbro's [[BotCon 2006]] presentations, and in Galaxy Force Vector Prime's unlockable online Cyber Key content.
*The released version of the Vector Prime ''Attacktix'' figure featured the Takara coloration of the ''Cybertron'' toy, gray with a metallic burgundy. [[:File:WhiteVectorPrimeAttacktix.jpg|A more Hasbro-release-like white-and-brown redeco]] was seen through various avenues, such as Toy Fair 2006 and Hasbro publicity photos, but ultimately never came out at retail.
===''Generation 2'' "Autobot" watch toy===
[[File:RobotTimeMachineSixModes.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Robot Time Machine in watch, "battle station", "galactic shuttle", "cosmic tank", "solar creature", and robot forms. No, this time we're not joking.]]
*After being released in ''Micro Change'', Autobot was sold by Takara in a line called '''''Watch Q''''' in 1984. The watches who would become [[Kaltor]] and [[Scorpia (G2)|Scorpia]] were also sold in ''Watch Q'', as were a bunch of other transforming watches who were never sold as Transformers. Autobot was also sold as part of Takara's North American ''[[Kronoform]]'' line, where he was called "Robot Time Machine" and had the unique honor of appearing in a television commercial that advertised him as being, at the least, a [[Six Changer]] (albeit a highly unconvincing one).
*He has the distinction of being THE prototypical transforming watch toy of the 1980s, with scores of knock-offs produced during that era. Surprisingly, one of these was advertised ''within'' an issue of Marvel's ''Transformers'' series! "[[The Next Best Thing to Being There!]]" featured [[:File:BonkersRobotWatch.jpg|an ad from the Nabisco company]] for a "Robot-Watch" (plainly Autobot, with "Quartz" replacing "Takara" on his chest) at the cost of $3.95 and 3 "Bonkers" candy labels.
*Two versions of Autobot's packaging are depicted in ''[[Transformers Generations (guidebook)|Transformers Generations]]'', one using his ''Micro Change'' art with an Autobot symbol slapped on and the other with original art. According to the text, the former was a packaging mock-up; the one shown on this page is how he was released.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Vector Prime''' (ベクタープライム ''Bekutā Puraimu'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Vector Fővezér'''
*''Korean:'' '''Mega Vector Prime''' (메가 벡터 프라임 ''Mega Bekteo Peuraim'')
*''Indonesian:'' '''Dexter Prime'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Vector''' (Taiwan, 貝克達 ''Bèikèdá''), '''Yǐntiānxíng''' (China, 引天行, "Guide Heaven Walk")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Vektor Naykrashchyy''' (Вектор Найкращий, "Vector the Best")

==External links==
*[http://www.insecticons.com/vector-qa-00.html Ask Vector Prime archive at ''In Space, No One Can Hear Starscream'']
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNlb0h6qig8 Kronoform Robot Time Machine commercial on youtube]

==References==
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Smokescreen (G1)/toys

2022-03-22T01:12:12Z

VidaEeviee: Added that Don Devendorf drove the car Smokesrceen was based off

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[[File:G1 boxart Smokescreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]

If you are annoyed by [[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]]'s prickery, take comfort in the fact that when Prowl gets a toy, '''Smokescreen''' is sure to get one as well, a toy which won't be a prick!

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1 Smokescreen toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He can only get away with [[Neon|those colors]] because he's from the 1980s.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (1985)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''45'''
**''Accessories:'' "Electro-Disruptor Rifle", 2 missile launchers (left & right), 3 missiles

:''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Smokescreen transforms into a Datsun 280ZX Turbo based upon the Electramotive Devendorf/Sharpe touring car driven by Don Devendorf. Though Smokescreen is a Datsun 280ZX, he is a [[redeco]]/[[retool]] of the standard body used by both [[Bluestreak (G1)#Generation 1/toys#Generation 1|Bluestreak]] and [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Prowl]], featuring a much larger front fender and a rear spoiler. He is predominantly blue, red and white in both [[alternate mode|vehicle]] and [[robot mode]]s. Like Bluestreak and Prowl, he features two spring-loaded missile launchers mounted either side of his head, and is armed with a silver "Electro-Disruptor Rifle".

:The Mexican IGA [[variant]] uses Bluestreak and Prowl's front bumper and rear window molds, without the racing spoilers.

:Contrary to popular belief, the 38 decal is not a reversed "83" (often said to be an attempt to avoid legal issues). In truth, the real life car has raced under both numbers.<ref name="38-1">[http://www.a2zracer.com/page84.html "Electramotive Years 1982"] at a2zracer.com.</ref><ref name="38-2">[https://teamobscurityracing.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/formula-silhouette-photo-find/ "ormula silhouette photo find."] at AusZoku.</ref> Admittedly, though, "38" ''is'' the more obscure number for this car compared to "83".

::*''[http://www.transformerland.com/wiki/toy-info/transformers-g1-autobot-cars-smokescreen/505/ Patent info, price guide, and further reading on Smokescreen at Transformerland.com]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Smokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on Generation 1 Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Generation 2''===
*[[File:G2SmokescreenToy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|No, we already made the [[Dreadwing (G2)|rear entry]] joke.]] '''Dreadwing''' (Decepticon, [[1994]])
**''Takara ID number'': '''TRF-10'''
**''Accessories'': Two launchers, two missiles
{{note|The ''Generation 2'' [[Smokescreen (G2)#Toys|Smokescreen]] toy was repurposed as a new body for the original Smokescreen in ''[[The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One|Legends]]''.}}

:Available only with his larger partner [[Dreadwing (G2)#Toys|Dreadwing]], ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' Smokescreen transforms into a fighter jet of undetermined (probably made-up) model. He has two side-mounted spring-loaded rocket launchers that become hand-weapons in [[robot mode]]. He can combine with Dreadwing's [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] to form the large stealth bomber jet. For some reason he came with an Autobot-style instruction book that instructed you to put Smokescreen's forehead sticker on the center of Dreadwing's face.

:Smokescreen's arms are misassembled, as his thumbs end up on the outside of his fists in robot mode and upper arms have an exposed screw on the exposed side.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#1998 (Beast Wars II)|Beast Wars II]]'' [[Starscream (BW)#Toys|Starscream]], [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Smokejumper#Toys|Smokejumper]], and ''[[Robotmasters (franchise)|Robotmasters]]'' [[Smokesniper#Toys|Smokesniper]]. It was going to be used again in ''Generation 2'' as a new form of the [[Starscream (G1)/toys#ATB|original Starscream]], but that toy was ultimately canceled.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1994/Decepticon/Smokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''The Transformers Collection''===
*'''Smokescreen''' ([[December 20]], [[2002]])
**''ID number:'' '''5'''
**''Accessories:'' "Electro-Disruptor Rifle", 2 missile launchers (left & right), 3 missiles

:Smokescreen was re-released as part of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' series. This version has slightly-altered decals, and fully-functional spring-loaded missile launchers.
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===''Commemorative Series''===
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*'''Smokescreen''' (2003)
**''Accessories:'' "Electro-Disruptor Rifle", 2 missile launchers (left & right), 3 missiles

:Smokescreen was also reissued as part of the [[Toys"R"Us]]-[[exclusive]] ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' line in the US. This version of Smokescreen uses a softer, unchromed black plastic for his rifle and missiles owing to [[For safety reasons|breakage issues]], plus his launchers are completely non-firing. He uses the same stickers as the Japanese "bookbox" release.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/CSSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Commemorative Series'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Alternators/Binaltech''===
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[[File:Binaltech Smokescreen Toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|We're gellin'! Are you gellin'?]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (2003)
**''Alternator ID number:'' '''1'''
**''Binaltech ID number:'' '''BT-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Turbo intercooler/gun

:''[[Transformers: Alternators|Alternators]]'' Smokescreen's [[alternate mode]] is a [[licensed vehicle alternate modes|licensed]] blue 1:24 scale 2003 Subaru Impreza WRC rally car, with opening hood, trunk, and all four doors as well as a detailed interior. He also features working steering and [[rubber tires]]. His robot mode is based upon his original toy, as well as his cartoon model, but with changes made to reflect modern standards of Transformers toys, as well as his new vehicle mode. He is armed with a laser rifle formed from his turbo intercooler, and has the capacity to mount two spring-loaded rocket launchers on either side of his shoulders, though these were only included with his 2004 ''Binaltech'' retool, Smokescreen GT (see below).

:There are several major differences between Takara ''Binaltech'' Smokescreen and Hasbro's ''Alternators'' counterpart. While the ''Binaltech'' version is constructed partially out of die-cast metal and has the entire car shell painted in a metallic electric blue paint job, Hasbro's ''Alternators'' release features a car shell made out of plain blue plastic. Additionally, Takara released two variants (concurrently available in equal quantities), namely the number "7" Solberg / Mills and the number "8" Makinen / Lindstrom versions of the 2003 WRC car. Hasbro, meanwhile, only released the number "8" version. In their December 11, 2003 website Q&A, Hasbro stated that they were intending to release the number "7" variant stateside as a running change; however, possibly due to the "#8" version ending up as a [[shelfwarmer]], those plans never came to fruition.

:There have been many reports of ''Binaltech'' Smokescreen's paint being very easy to scratch, chip and scrape. What's worse, early batches of the production run were apparently particularly prone to outright ''flaking'', while later batches had somewhat more stable paint jobs. In addition, both variants of Takara's version of Smokescreen saw a running change in the blue paint on his upper thighs. Earlier shipments featured additional paint that extended beyond the sculpted lines in a curve, while later shipments had the [[paint operation]]s match the sculpted lines, which is also the way the section in question looks on Hasbro's ''Alternators'' version. The second version appears to be much rarer than the first one.

{{note|Smokescreen was actually designed as a retool of ''Alternators'' [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Alternators/Binaltech|Silverstreak]] (aka ''Binaltech'' Streak), whose alternate mode is the Subaru Impreza WRX street model. However, the marketing department at Takara felt that the flashier Smokescreen would make a more suitable debut toy and would grab more attention than the plain silver Streak would.}}

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/AltSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Alternators'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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[[File:Binaltech Smokescreen GT Toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Oh, we're gellin'!]]
*'''Smokescreen GT''' (Japan 2004)
**''ID number:'' '''BT-07'''
**''Accessories:'' Turbo intercooler/gun, missile launcher with missile

:In 2004, Takara retooled Smokescreen for their ''Binaltech'' series into Smokescreen GT. He received a new front end, hood, roof, spoiler and wheels to reflect the changes made to the Team Subaru WRC car in the 2004 World Rally Championship. He also included a single spring-loaded missile launcher (with missile) that could be attached either side of his head via two small holes.

:Like the original ''Binaltech'' Smokescreen release, Smokescreen GT was also released in two variants, reflecting the number "1" Solberg and the number "2" Hirvonen versions of the 2004 WRC car.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/SmokescreenGT/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Binaltech'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:TFU08-toy Smokescreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Surprise! He looks like this!]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Deluxe Class, 2009)
**''Series:'' Generation 1 Series
**''Accessories:'' Gun

:Part of the fifth wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Smokescreen is a redeco of [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Silverstreak]] (who is a retool of [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Prowl]]), of course. He transforms into a modified {{w|Nissan 350Z}} and features twin non-removable and non-firing "rocket launchers" that can swing over his robot mode shoulders. His fold-out gun stores in the car mode's undersides.

:Smokescreen was the first professional work of deco designer [[Alex Androski]] for Hasbro. Androski reportedly shared many a fan's disappointment with how the deco turned out, stating that they had wished they could go back and redo the deco before anyone else had even seen it.

:This version of the mold was retooled into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Rapido#Timelines|Rapido]], while the original Prowl version of this mold was redecoed into ''Timelines'' [[Streetwise (G1)#Timelines|Streetstar]]. The original version of this mold also served as the basis of the non-toy ''Shattered Glass'' incarnation of [[Prowl (SG)|Prowl]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/TFUSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Universe'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Henkei! Henkei!''===
[[File:Henkei Smokescreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Smokescreen won his old colors and tasteful layout back in a game of Cybertronian Poker.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' ([[April 25]], 2009)
**''ID number:'' '''C-21'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun

:The ''[[Henkei! Henkei! Transformers (toyline)|Henkei! Henkei!]]'' version of Deluxe Class Smokescreen features a more accurate deco to the original Generation 1 toy and has a more [[Show-accuracy|cartoon accurate]] deco compared to ''Universe'' Smokescreen. Like all ''Henkei! Henkei!'' toys, he features [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metallized]] plastic, including his shoulder-mounted missile launchers and his spoiler.
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===''Transformers'' (2010)===
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[[File:TokyoToyShowSmokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|At last, he has the wingspan he's always wanted.]]
*'''Dreadwing & Smokescreen''' ([[July 17]], [[2010]])
**''Accessories:'' Left and right axes
{{note|The 2010 Smokescreen toy was repurposed as a body for Generation 1 Smokescreen in ''[[The Road to Legends' Revival Chapter 4: LG-EX Big Powered Prologue Part One|Legends]]''.}}

:Available [[exclusive]]ly at the [[Tokyo Toy Show]] 2010, this Dreadwing & Smokescreen set is a [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (toyline)|Revenge of the Fallen]]'' Voyager Class [[Mindwipe (ROTF)#Revenge of the Fallen|Mindwipe]] and Scout Class [[Skystalker (ROTF)#Revenge of the Fallen|Skystalker]] respectively. [[TakaraTomy]] designer [[Masu Yoshi]]'s inspiration for this set apparently stemmed from a desire to compete with [[BotCon 2010]]'s ''Generation 2'' theme for its exclusive toys.<ref>[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/314218-g2-2010-dreadwing-smokescreen-gallery.html#post5009658 Japanese fan masabon reports on TakaraTomy designer Masu Yoshi's inspiration for the Dreadwing & Smokescreen set at TFW2005.com]</ref> Besides the obvious colour changes, the live-action movie Decepticon [[insignia]]s have been replaced with ''Generation 2'' Decepticon insignia.

:Smokescreen transforms from a robot into a flying-wing-style stealth jet drone similar to the {{w|BAE Corax}}. Undocumented in the instructions, the two axes that peg into his palms as weapons for his robot mode can also clip directly to his forearms (giving them a superficial similarity to tonfa). For vehicle mode, they integrate into the stealth jet's wings. The robot mode feet are spring-loaded so the heels and toes collapse down and together when the feet are lifted off the ground.

:The instructions include a "battle mode", which is essentially the vehicle mode with the robot legs untransformed, similar to the "alternate transformation" mode seen on Generation 1 [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Jetfire]], which of course, was the "gerwalk" mode from the Japanese series ''{{w|The Super Dimension Fortress Macross}}''.

:Like the original ''Generation 2'' toys, in vehicle mode, Smokescreen can attach on top of Dreadwing's alternate mode via two pegs.

:The blue plastic that makes up most of Smokescreen is more fragile than most and will crack under stress, such as repeated removal and replacing of the hook weapons into the wings.

:This mold was also used to make [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|''Transformers: Hunt for the Decepticons'']] [[Sunspot#Toys|Sunspot]] and ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Generations|Laserbeak]].
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===''Bot Shots''===
[[File:BotShots_CancelledSmokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|right|Ultimately turned into smoke.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (<s>2013</s>)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''B016'''
***''Fist strength'': ''??''
***''Blaster strength'': '''180'''
***''Sword strength'': ''??''

:Part of the unreleased fourth wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2, Smokescreen is a blue redeco of Series 1 [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Jazz]].
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===''Construct-Bots''===
[[File:ConstructBots Smokescreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Elite Class, 2013)
**''Accessories:'' Gun

:Part of the final wave of original run ''[[Construct-Bots]]'' Elites, Smokscreen changes from a car-like vehicle into a robot-like automaton. He features non-firing shoulder-mounted rocket launchers and a large rifle. His head was retooled to make [[Dead End (WFC)#Construct-Bots|Dead End]]'s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/CBSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Masterpiece''===
[[File:MP19-Smokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Jackpot, baby.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' ([[December 14]], [[2013]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-19'''
**''Accessories:'' Disruptor Rifle, 2 Jamming Launchers

:''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' Smokescreen is a redeco and retool of [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|MP-17 Prowl]], and transforms into a licensed Nissan Fairlady 280Z-T that's been modified to look like the Electramotive Datsun 280ZX Turbo. Smokescreen features a new head, shoulders, upper arms, front bumper, rear bumper, spoiler, front window, rifle, and shoulder rockets compared to Prowl. Unlike Bluestreak he uses the same front waist piece as Prowl. As with other figures in the ''Masterpiece'' line, he is intended to be an accurate representation of his [[Character model|cartoon model]], and even features an extensive red, blue, & white [[Paint operation|paint]] scheme. Roughly as tall as a [[Size class|Voyager Class]] figure, he is also in [[scale]] with [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#mp10|MP-10 Optimus Prime]], and can fit inside [[Combat Deck (G1)#mp10|Prime's trailer]] in vehicle mode. In contrast to previous larger entries in this line, Smokescreen lacks [[die-cast]] parts, and his tires are cast in hard, non-rubberized plastic.

:There are some issues concerning aligning the car's roof onto the body of the figure. In order to properly attach the back/roof top of the mold, the mid chest panel located in front of the torso must be tilted slightly forward and attached to the small indentation under the figure's "car hood". This will allow the back frame to straighten and get the two pegs on the windshield to lock into the two slots at the back of the car hood.

:For accessories, he comes with his rifle, which can be held with his hands, or mount onto a flip-out mounting point on his roof via the separate peg on its jointed handle. He also comes with a pair of non-firing Jamming Launchers that can attach to slots in front of his windshield in vehicle mode, or attach to flip-out tabs on his shoulders in robot mode.

:He sports various made-up sponsor logos replacing those logos found on the real-life vehicle, namely "'''Smoke Tactics'''" (a nod to his name and function of "diversionary tactician") instead of "Electramotive", "'''SlotFever'''" instead of {{w|Goodyear Tire and Rubber Company|Goodyear}}, "'''[[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] Oil'''" replacing the driver's name, "'''Huck'''" instead of "{{w|Robert Bosch GmbH|Bosch}}", and "'''Disturbance'''" instead of "{{w|Ashland Inc.#Ashland Consumer Markets (Valvoline)|Valvoline}}".

:If purchased in Asian markets outside of Japan, a [[collector coin]] is included.

:This sculpt was also redecoed and retooled into MP-18 [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Masterpiece|Streak]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/MPSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Masterpiece'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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[[File:TF-Masterpiece-MP-19+-Smokescreen-Anime-Color.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Smokescreen''' ([[January 27]], [[2020]])
**''ID number:'' '''MP-19+'''
**''Accessories:'' Disruptor Rifle, 2 Jamming Launchers, 2 Smoke effects, Smirking face, Serious face

:Released as a TakaraTomy Mall exclusive, this Smokescreen is a redeco and retool of the figure above, featuring cartoon-accurate colors and 3 interchangeable faceplates. He also comes with two new effect parts that evoke his ability seen in "[[Microbots]]", which can be attached under his feet in robot mode and either on his sides or in the tailpipe in altmode.

:Originally planned for a July 2019 release, Smokescreen was delayed to January 2020.
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===''Q-Transformers''===
[[File:QTransformers Smokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Smokescreen''' ([[February 21]], [[2015]])
**''ID number:'' '''QT-14'''

:''[[Q-Transformers]]'' Smokescreen is a redeco and retool of [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Q-Transformers|QT-06 Prowl]] without the lightbar, transforming into a [[super deformed]] Nissan Fairlady 280Z-T. He comes with a code for unlocking Smokescreen as a playable character in the ''[[Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns (mobile game)|Q-Transformers: Mystery of Convoy Returns]]'' game.
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===''Kre-O''===
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*'''Kreon Class of '85''' (Kreon figure set, 2015)
**''Set number'': '''B5152'''
**''Voted'': Most Likely to Copy Your Homework
**''Accessories'': Small pistol

: ''[[Kre-O]]'' Smokescreen is a small brick-built [[Kreon]] figure, using the 2015-style construction with raised hands and the sturdier "peg-in-peg" torso/waist connection. His body [[tampograph]]s are heavily toy-based.

: He was only available as part of the [[San Diego Comic-Con]]-[[exclusive]] "[[Kreon Class of '85]]" 30-Kreon set. This set was also sold online through [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] after the show.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2015/Autobot/SDCCKre-OSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on Class of '85 Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Combiner Wars''===
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[[File:CWDlxSmokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Lost a bet and now he has to combine with Sky Lynx. [[Sky Reign#Unite Warriors|It will never happen again]].]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Deluxe Class, 2016)
**'''4 OF 5: [[Sky Reign]]'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, double-barreled gun/fist/foot

:Part of the sixth wave of ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Smokescreen is unsurprisingly a redeco of ''Combiner Wars'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Generations|Prowl]]. Sort-of surprisingly, he retains the lightbar from Prowl, albeit colored completely red. Being a ''Combiner Wars'' figure, Smokescreen can combine to form [[Sky Reign#Toys|Sky Reign]] as either an arm or a leg. He can also combine with any ''Unite Warriors'' Voyager class figure or even into one of [[Godbomber#Legends|''Legends'' Godbomber]]'s legs.

:This mold was previously retooled from ''Combiner Wars'' [[Dead End (G1)#Combiner Wars|Dead End]] to create ''Combiner Wars'' [[Streetwise (G1)#Generations|Streetwise]], which was then given a different head for the Prowl/Smokescreen version of the figure.

:Smokescreen comes with a copy of ''Transformers: Windblade'' vol. 2 #3 (''Combiner Wars'' Part 5), "[[All That Remains]]". In Canada, Latin America, and Europe, he was available in different types of [[multilingual packaging]] including a character card featuring his comic book cover/[[package art]] instead. He and the last three waves of ''Combiner Wars'' Deluxe and Voyager figures later showed up TJ Maxx in the U.S. at reduced prices with the collector card.

:The original mold was redecoed as [[Lightspeed (G1 Technobot)#Generations|Lightsteed]] and [[Under-3#Generations|Unit-3]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2016/Autobot/CWSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Combiner Wars'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Alt-Modes''===
[[File:Alt-Modes Smokescreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Alt-Modes, 2016)
**''Series'': '''1'''
**''Collection'': '''3'''

:A redeco of ''[[Alt-Modes]]'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Alt-Modes|Prowl]], Smokescreen is a super deformed toy whose body transforms into a car when the Autobot faction symbol on his head is flipped. He was [[Blindpacking|blind-boxed]] and available in one of the first three cases of the toyline.

:This mold was also used to make ''Alt-Modes'' [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#Alt-Modes|Bluestreak]].
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===''Generations Selects''===
[[File:Generations-Selects-Siege-Smokscreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Won a bet against Barricade and pawned off his battle damage.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Deluxe Class, [[October 1]], 2019)
**''Series'': '''''War for Cybertron: Siege'''''
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-GS06'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[September 28]], 2019'''
**''Accessories'': "W-45 [[Acid pellet|Acid Pellet]] Blaster," 2 "W-50 Volt-Beam Cannons"

:A ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' add-on to ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'', Smokescreen is a redeco of ''Siege'' [[Barricade (IDW)#Toys|Barricade]] (itself a head retool of ''Siege'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Prowl]]) sans lightbar. Smokescreen transforms into a Cybertronian car and includes the blaster and the 2 cannons from his mold mates, which are compatible with the [[C.O.M.B.A.T. System]]. They can combine to form a dual-blaster (though this is not documented in his instructions), or mount on the car hood/shoulders. He also features multiple hardpoints to accommodate "Fire Blasts" from the [[Battle Master]]s assortment, which can be used to simulate blaster fire or explosions. Like Prowl, Smokescreen is basically spotless, with no battle damage paint applications anywhere on his body. Smokescreen can be transformed between robot and vehicle modes without removing the W-50 Volt-Beam Cannons from his shoulders.

:[[File:Siege Smokescreen.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|left|Some graphic designer was probably really proud of this.]]
:Early stock images of Smokescreen featured a unique, geometric numeral design evoking his classic race number of 38. The final toy uses the standard [[Cybertronian language|Ancient Autobot]] numerals, albeit rotated 180 degrees.

:According to his [[Hasbro Pulse]] page, he is the third [[Praxus|Praxien]] character to add to the "Praxus-native collection", along with Barricade and Prowl. This toy was released exclusively through Hasbro Pulse and [[TakaraTomy Mall]].
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-E-Deluxe-Smokescreen.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Won another bet, but with the cost of his lucky number.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Deluxe Class, [[2020]])
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''WFC-E20'''
**''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''ER-07'''
**''TakaraTomy release date'': '''[[August 29]], 2020'''
**''Accessories'': Blaster, 2 shoulder cannons

: Part of wave 2 of ''[[War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Earthrise]]'' Deluxes, Smokescreen transforms into a car none-too-dissimilar from a Datsun. He shares much of his transformation engineering with the ''Siege'' Prowl mold, but is a completely new mold. He comes with his rifle and two shoulder cannon accessories, which can be attached to the figure in both modes, and combined to create a triple-barrelled weapon. For this figure, Smokescreen's classic "38" door decal has been changed to an 80.

:Two different variants of Smokescreen exist with slightly different knee joints, one of which adds a tiny tab of plastic to the inside of the kneecap and includes additional tabs behind the car hood to better secure the car mode. Stock renders depict Smokescreen's shoulder cannons in black instead of the blue used by the finished toy. Additionally, the panels on the inside of his legs are not rotated into their correct place.

:This mold was redecoed to create ''Earthrise'' [[Barricade (IDW)#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Barricade]], and retooled into ''Earthrise'' [[Prowl (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Prowl]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|Bluestreak]]. Smokescreen is the only mass-retail release of this mold, the others being exclusive to various online and brick-and-mortar stores.

:Like all Earthrise toys, the inside of the back of Smokescreen's package includes an exclusive clip-and-save piece of a larger star map, along with a translucent red "decoder". Smokescreen's piece of the map contains the labelled location of [[Paradron|PARADRON]]. Like most ''Earthrise'' figures from wave 2 onward, however, it is misprinted, and overlays the "decodable" red graphics from the map piece included with [[Hoist (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Earthrise|''Earthrise'' Hoist]] on top of the details unique to Smokescreen's piece.
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
[[File:Decoy Smokescreen.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Red & Rubbery Smokescreen]]
*'''Smokescreen #8'''

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Smokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on Decoy Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===''Titanium Series''===
[[File:Titanium RM Smokescreen.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|Squatmaster Smokescreen]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (3-inch Robot Masters, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Gun, Autobot-sigil display stand

:''[[Titanium Series]]'' Smokescreen is based on the ''Alternators'' toy, but lacks the Alternator's Subaru racing deco. While all Titanium mini-figures are somewhat squatty, Smokescreen may, in fact, be the squattiest of them all.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/TitSmokescreen/smokescreen.htm More information on ''Titanium Series'' Smokescreen at TFU.info]''
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===Transformers - Mini Bust===
[[File:Smokescreen statue.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Far from the only person to lose his legs over gambling debts.]]
*'''Smokescreen''' (Diamond Select, 2009)

:Released by Diamond Select Toys in 2009, Smokescreen was sculpted by [[Mark Wong]] of [[Art Asylum]] and limited to 250 pieces. Smokescreen, along with his "brothers" [[Prowl (G1)/toys|Prowl]] and [[Bluestreak (G1)/toys|Bluestreak]], is exclusive to online retailer Toyrocket.com. The bust features Smokescreen's electro-disruptor rifle and twin missile launchers. The missile launchers can be attached via magnets on either side of his head. The car doors are also magnetically attached, and are optional for display. The missile launchers given to Smokescreen do not match the ones on his animation model though the ones given to Bluestreak do. It is unknown if this change was intentional or a mistake.
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===''The Loyal Subjects''===
*'''Autobots 3-Pack''' (2014)
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===''Transformers Trading Card Game''===
[[File:W4PrivateSmokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Private Smokescreen, Special Ops-Soldier''' (2019)
**'''Wave 4: War for Cybertron: Siege II'''
**''Rarity: '''''CT'''
**''Card Number: '''''T24/T52'''
**''Stars: ''7

:Private Smokescreen, Special Ops-Soldier is one of 52 character cards released in Wave 4 of the [[Transformers Trading Card Game]], War for Cybertron: Siege II.

:The card's artwork is based on the ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' Smokescreen toy, with line-art by [[Ken Christiansen]].
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==Notes==
[[File:TFGenerations2014 Rejected Smokescreen.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|Never bet on number 4!]]
*Smokescreen received a toy homage in the final wave of ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Transformers: Armada]]'' Basic-sized Mini-Con three-packs in 2003. The redecoed version of [[Prowl (Armada)#HasbroRedeco|Prowl]] has a deco inspired by Generation 1 Smokescreen. In addition, the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)#Toys|Battle in a Box incarnation]] of Smokescreen would have been a more direct homage.
*A mock-up of the 2008 ''Universe'' Smokescreen toy redecoed in the colors of the [[Smokescreen (G2)|''Generation 2'' Decepticon Smokescreen]] (at right) was shown in ''[[Transformers Generations 2014]]'' Vol. 1 as one of ten potential exclusives for Vol. 2. It received 2.9% of the fan votes.<ref>[http://millionhero.sblo.jp/article/101898683.html Poll results at Hero-X]</ref>

==References==
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[[Category:Alternators Autobots]]
[[Category:Bot Shots Autobots]]
[[Category:Combiner Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Construct-Bots Autobots]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations Selects toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Autobots]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Masterpiece]]
[[Category:Q-Transformers characters]]
[[Category:SDCC exclusives]]
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'''Tony Daniels''' is a Canadian voice actor and musician based in [[New York City]]. He is most recognized as the voice of Jedite and Wiseman in the DiC dub of ''Sailor Moon'', Gambit in the final season of the '90s ''[[X-Men]]'' cartoon and ''Marvel vs. Capcom'' series, Hawkeye in ''The [[Avengers]]: United They Stand'', Uncle Flippy in ''JoJo's Circus'', and Frosted Flakes mascot Tony the Tiger, among many other roles. He is also the voice of CBC Television and CBC News Network.

==Roles==
===''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''===
*[[Astrotrain (Cyberverse)|Astrotrain]]
*[[Croaton (Cyberverse)|Croaton]]
*[[Drift (Cyberverse)|Drift]]
*[[Judge (Cyberverse)|Ego]]
*[[Kup (Cyberverse)|Kup]]
*[[Lockdown (Cyberverse)|Lockdown]]
*[[Ramjet (Cyberverse)|Ramjet]]
*[[Teletraan-1 (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-1]]
*[[Teletraan-X (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-X]]

===''[[Transformers: Battlegrounds]]''===
*Teletraan-X
*[[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]] Male 1
*Scout Male 2

==Notes==
*For the first three seasons of ''Cyberverse'', Daniels was credited as '''Mike Rose'''.

==External links==
*[https://tonydaniels.com/ Official website]
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0200104/ Tony Daniels on IMDb]
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm10305677/ Mike Rose on IMDb]

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Travis Artz

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'''Travis Artz''' is an American voice actor. He also works as an on-screen actor, and as a musician is a member of Baby Chemist.

==Voice roles==
===''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''===
*[[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|Hot Rod]]

==External links==
*[https://www.travisartz.com/ Official site]
*[https://www.imdb.com/name/nm5764705/ Travis Artz on IMDB]

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Jaime Lamchick

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'''Jaime Lamchick''' is a New York-based American voice actress.
[[File:Jaime_Lamchick_pic.jpg|216px|thumb]]
==Roles==
===''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''===
*[[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]]
*[[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]]
*[[Alpha Strike]]
*[[Operatus]]
*[[Nightbird (Cyberverse)|Nightbird]]
*[[Chromia (Cyberverse)|Chromia]] (Season 2-3)

===''[[Transformers: Battlegrounds]]''===
*Arcee
*[[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker Female 2]]

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Jessica DiGiovanni

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'''Jessica DiGiovanni''' is an American voice actress.

==Voice roles==
===''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]''===
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]]
*[[Cosmos (Cyberverse)|Cosmos]]
*[[Gray]]

===''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy]]''===
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]]

===''[[Transformers: Battlegrounds]]''===
*Windblade
*[[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]] Female 1

==Notes==
*For ''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' and the first three seasons of ''Cyberverse'', DiGiovanni was credited as '''Sophia Isabella'''.

==External links==
===Interviews===
*August 2021—[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT6tvD6NyzY&t=9890s TFNation]

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'''Jesus Aburtov''' (born [[October 4]], [[1978]]) is a Mexican comic colorist. He is usually credited simply as '''Aburtov''', and is the founder of art studio [[Graphikslava]]. His other coloring credits have included ''Batman/Catwoman'' for D.C., ''Herc'' and ''Ultimate [[Thor]]'' for [[Marvel Comics]], and ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)|G.I. Joe]]'' for [[IDW Publishing]].

==Coloring credits==
*''[[Transformers: Rising Storm|Rising Storm]]'' [[Rising Storm issue 1|#1]]—[[Rising Storm issue 4|#4]]

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Headmaster (technology)

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{{disambig3.5|the 1987 gimmick|the 2016 gimmick|Titan Master|Headmaster}}
[[File:Trialbyfire-headmaster-rollcall.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This probably hurts.]]
'''Headmasters''' are a type of symbiotic variation on the [[Transformer]] lifeform in which a smaller being, frequently but not exclusively organic, [[Transformation|transforms]] into the head of a larger robot. Headmaster bonding typically occurs between two sentient beings, but there have been cases in which the head or the body (such as the [[Transtector]]s or the [[Sunstreaker clone]]s created by the [[Machination]]) is a non-sentient construct controlled entirely by the other partner.

When it occurs between two sentient beings, the benefits of the Headmaster procedure are many: The partner gains control of a larger, more powerful body, and the Transformer gains an extra perspective on the battlefield, the psychic [[binary bonding]] involved allowing him to draw on both his own ideas, tactics, and instincts as well as those of his partner as quickly as if they were coming from his own head (since they are). Agility, reaction speed, and targeting accuracy are often enhanced by the process.

The Headmaster process leaves its subject Transformers with one glaring disadvantage: when separated from their partners, they have no head. Most can continue to function as vehicles without their partners, but can do little in [[robot mode]] besides stand around.

In conversation, the term "Headmaster" can apply to both the small partner (the head) and the significant other (the body).

Sometimes a duo of Headmaster partners can jointly pilot a larger city-sized body. The resulting [[Titan (group)|Titan]] is known as a '''double-Headmaster'''.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 continuity family===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
[[File:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Next step: Pez dispenser.]]
The Headmaster technology was primarily the invention of the [[Nebulan]] scientist [[Arcana]] and was designed originally to let Nebulans utilize the bodies of [[Autobot]]s to defend their world, something they did not trust the Autobots enough to let them do on their own.

The organic Nebulans of the Headmaster pairings were able to transform by use of a special suit of "intra-restruction armor" and a "cybernetic mindlink helmet" {{storylink|All or Nothing!}} that interfaced with bio-cybernetic augmentation in the surgically altered humanoid. As described by Arcana, the process as originally enacted allowed the Autobots (still separate, disembodied heads at that point) to radio control their old bodies, while the Nebulan partners observed and planned strategy. This joint cooperation of two minds allowed greatly increased agility and superior aim.

[[File:Brokenglass-autobotstorage.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6]]
The technology was implemented under dire circumstances, as the Nebulan capital city of [[Koraja]] was under siege by [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons, who sought the surrender of five Autobots held in Nebulan custody. Five volunteer Nebulans underwent radical reconstructive surgery to allow them to bond with the five Autobots, including [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]], [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]. Now under Nebulan control, the Headmaster Autobots easily repulsed the Decepticon attack, despite being outnumbered two to one. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

The Decepticons reluctantly accepted the possible benefits of this cooperation with organics, and six of them underwent the Headmaster process, with Scorponok bonding to the Nebulan Lord [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]. Luring Fortress Maximus's team into an ambush, Scorponok and his fellow Headmasters [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]], [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]], [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] soon defeated their foes, blasting them unconscious, which caused their heads to disconnect and return to humanoid form. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}} The Autobot-allied Nebulans were taken captive and strung up in a suspended animation prison, while Scorponok's Headmasters rampaged across Nebulos, leaving Nebulan ruins and Autobot corpses in their wake. Realizing that his mind was being re-written by Scorponok, Zarak used the last shreds of his sanity to free the Autobot Headmasters. Fortress Maximus and his band soon left Nebulos for Earth, with the Decepticons in pursuit. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

[[File:Trialbyfire-cerebros-headpitch.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|YOU CAN'T ''BUY'' ME, HOT DOG MAN!]]
En route to Earth, Fortress Maximus was rebuilt into a larger form, with ''two'' Headmaster components: a small robot that transformed into his head, and his partner Galen, who now became the small robot's head.

The two squads of Headmasters soon faced off again on Earth, in a battle inside the cave that had previously held the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. During the battle, Fortress Maximus and Scorponok both used their smaller Headmaster components to travel through an increasingly tight series of tunnels. Doing so, however, exposed Fortress Maximus's partner Galen to attack, and he died saving the Earthling, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]. With Galen killed while separated from Fortress Maximus, Spike demonstrated that it was possible for an organic to control/communicate with the larger robot's form with only the control helmet, as he took control of Fortress Maximus with nothing more than Galen's control helmet. Rejuvenated by their leader's attack, the Autobots soon drove off the Decepticon Headmasters. {{storylink|Trial by Fire!}}

The Headmasters largely stayed in the background during most of the Autobots' subsequent adventures, though Fortress Maximus remained a major player in the events leading up to the [[Underbase Saga|Underbase catastrophe]].

Later, a weakness of the ad hoc nature of the Headmaster partnership became apparent. As the partnerships continued, two minds could meld into one, or conflict on nearly every level. For example, Spike and Fortress Maximus were two separate minds sharing one body, with each dominant in his own form and able to converse with the other; while Lord Zarak and Scorponok seemed to reach some sort of fusion where he was both beings merged into one, with Scorponok to all intents and purposes becoming entirely subsumed by Zarak's personality (to the extent that, [[On the Edge of Extinction!|during the battle with Unicron]], "Scorponok"'s interior monologue identifies himself as being Zarak merely filling the role of Scorponok, implying that the original Scorponok psyche was essentially gone). A similar situation developed between Powermaster [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Hi-Q]], except in the reverse.
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=====''Classics''=====
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The Headmaster process is reversible. {{storylink|Cheap Shots}}

=====Regeneration One=====
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After the deaths of most of the Headmasters by Unicron, the original heads still on Nebulos were [[Project Lazarus|given new bodies]]. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}} {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Two}} Chromedome and Stylor were able to have the process completely reversed. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 1}}

====Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''The Transformers'' cartoon=====
[[File:Rebirth 1 Autobot heads.JPG||thumb|*gasp* I promise you! You shall be avenged!]]
In this continuity, the Headmaster process was the brainchild of [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]], who had advocated that using an organic partner would be a good strategy in combat with the [[Decepticon]]s. It also seems much less invasive for the organic humanoid involved. No surgical alteration is apparently needed on their part, and the process seems to consist mainly of altering the Transformer's head to 1) have a control center for a partner to sit at inside and 2) transform around the partner into a fancy [[exosuit]]. While some who have undergone it have commented at feeling a closer bond with their respective partners, there is no reason to believe there is any true psychic connection between them as in the binary bonding of other continuities. Before detaching his head, the Transformer downloads his memory and personality into his auxiliary memory circuits in his chest. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Far from being automatically on the same page, at one point the "good" Nebulans disagreed with the Autobots on strategy so much that they abandoned them and ran off, forcibly stranding the Autobots in their vehicle modes.{{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

=====''Wings Universe''=====
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After [[Zarak (G1)|Mo Zarak]] died, his son [[Olin Zarak]] inherited [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], becoming Scorponok's Headmaster controller. [[Tornado]] claimed to have always said that there was something not right with Headmaster technology. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur, 2014/06/03}}

=====Japanese cartoon continuity=====
Attempting to escape the wars on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], a group of diminutive Cybertronians (most of them only a little larger than human beings) fled the planet, only to have their ship crash on the hazardous, inhospitable planet [[Master (planet)|Master]]. The need for survival fostered several technological advances (helped in part by technology derived from a [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|time-traveling spaceship]] that crashed on the planet sometime later). Chief among them was the creation of "[[Transtector]]s": large, lifeless robot bodies which the smaller robots could connect to and control. The small Cybertronians had not yet actually mastered the art of [[transformation]], however, and had to undergo rigorous mental and physical training in order to become "Headmasters" (their name, obviously enough, derived from the planet itself).

The Headmasters subsequently migrated from Master and joined the Autobot and Decepticon forces on Cybertron and [[Earth]], leading to a lengthy conflict that ultimately resulted in both factions departing the Earth for a prolonged period of time. With easy access to Earth cut off, leaving its safety in doubt should it be attacked by Decepticons in the future, the Autobots on Master created [[Master-Brace]]s, technology that harnessed the mysterious [[Chōkon Power]] to transform humans and allow them to connect to Transtectors and become Headmasters themselves. A set of six Master-Braces and Transtectors were dispatched to Earth, but half the shipment was stolen by Decepticons, and both factions subsequently used the technology to turn three young human children into Headmasters in defense of Earth.

Cybertronian Headmasters possess numerous energy-manipulating superpowers. They are able to exchange Transtectors freely with their fellow Headmasters to increase their power levels and can link up with each other in the [[Head Formation]] for various destructive results. In contrast, human Headmasters do not possess any of these powers, but have their own natural physical strength and reflexes enhanced many times over by the energies filling their bodies. Their cellular structures undergo some form of ill-defined holistic transformation which allows them somehow to transform their actual, physical bodies into heads. However, unlike organic Headmasters in other continuities, they do not have to undergo any ''permanent'' alteration; they are capable of "turning off" their powers and becoming normal human beings with ease, the only drawback being that they are unable to remove the Master-Braces that give them their powers.

====3H comics====
[[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] commented that he preferred [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] when she had "[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|that kid]]" in her head. {{storylink|Betrayal}}

====Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity====
[[File:Headmaster mech DW mtmte.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Did they include a bathroom in this thing?]]Headmaster technology was originally developed on Cybertron, to be used in conjunction with [[Micromaster]] technology. It would have allowed a normal-sized robot to transform its head into a small body to conserve [[Energon]]. The process was perfected on Nebulon to allow organic beings to act as the head of a Cybertronian body, using aspects of [[combiner]] technology.

The process was designed to put the Nebulon in control of the body, but the actual process as perfected by [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] and [[Arcana]] resulted in a mental bonding and partnership, with the robot generally maintaining control. Modified organic beings are able to contort during transformation, though appear normal when not wearing the Headmaster armor. Out of their armor, they are indistinguishable from unmodified beings, though they possess improved strength and endurance.

Profile art depicted the Headmaster heads as larger "mecha" that the human partners pilot. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye}}
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====2005 IDW continuity====
[[File:TheMindBomb-cathead.jpg|thumb|left|250px|How would ''you'' like to have to give your head a flea bath every night?]]

In the years preceding the unification of the [[Thirteen#2005 IDW continuity|Thirteen]], [[The Fallen#2005 IDW continuity|Megatronus]] led his [[Darklands|Darklanders]] in the "[[War of the Headmasters]]," though what exactly this campaign entailed is unclear. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

The first known Headmasters were an ancient Cybertronian faction that fought in the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] ten million years ago under the command of [[Nexus Prime#2005 IDW continuity|Nexus Prime]]. Their enemy, the Darklander [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]], saw the combination of "beastly" and "pure-born" Cybertronians as an abomination, implying all ancient Headmasters had animal-form heads. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} Galvatron vanquished the Headmasters during the war, paving the way for the unification of the Cybertronian race. {{storylink|Shockpoint}} Known ancient Headmasters include [[Myskrion]], killed by Galvatron, {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} and [[Thinkbox]], later retrieved by Galvatron from the ''[[Murkdipper]]'' on the planet [[Spindrift]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} Another possible Headmaster was [[Scalp]], who was allegedly friends with [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]. {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}} [[Titan Master#2005 IDW continuity|Titan Masters]] existed alongside these ancient Headmasters, though what, if any, connection they have to the Headmasters is unknown. {{storylink|White Heat}}

In the modern period, Headmaster technology was reinvented by the shadowy human organization known as the [[Machination]], using technology developed by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]] on the planet [[Nebulos#2005 IDW continuity|Nebulos]]. Following a tip offered to him by [[Swindle (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] found schematics for enhancing a biological entity with Cybertronian technology, in effect producing a "transformable man". Magnus was able to determine that Nebulan businessman [[Zarak (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Mo Zarak]] had been subjected to this process shortly before Scorponok fled the premises. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}}

[[File:Devastation2 SunstreakerHeadmaster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Approximately 18 years later, the Machination captured [[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]] and [[Hunter O'Nion]]. They dismantled Sunstreaker and subjected Hunter to an extensive regimen of surgery and implants. Subsequently, they attempted to brainwash him into one of their soldiers. {{storylink|The Transformers: Escalation|Escalation}} Hunter resisted and was able to contact Sunstreaker, allowing him to become a Headmaster to fight for the Autobots. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}}

Initially, all Headmasters created by the Machination were non-sentient, guided by their human pilots. As well, all of these models were [[Sunstreaker clone|replicas]] of Sunstreaker, wired into the Autobot's actual head to help coordinate their movements. However, the success of these initial forays into the technology allowed for the first true binary-bond, enabling [[Abraham Dante]] to combine with his Decepticon master Scorponok to facilitate his rebirth. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}} Scorponok was eventually defeated after his connection to his original head was severed. Following this, the remaining Headmasters were gathered up by Ultra Magnus, who purged the Machination of its technology. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 5|Maximum Dinobots #5}}

====''Beast Wars: Uprising''====
When the war spread to Nebulos, the Decepticons allied with the [[Hive (G1)|Hive Nations]] and began a series of horrific biomechanical experiments on their Autobot and [[World Watcher]] prisoners of war. The end result was the game-changing binary-bonding process, a fusion of Decepticon and Nebulan technology. It wasn't long until the Autobots reverse-engineered the process and deployed Headmasters of their own, then improved on the process to create Targetmasters. The Decepticons upped the ante by introducing the colossal double-Headmaster [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]], forcing the Autobots to deploy the equally gargantuan [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. The end result was the [[Scouring of Nebulos]]. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}} {{storylink|Head Games}}

When the [[Cyberdroid]]s of [[Master (planet)|Master]] got involved in the conflict years later, many of them chose to become Headmasters, replacing the ailing Nebulans. Both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] adopted Headmaster partners when they became [[Triple-Threat Master]]s. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

Three hundred years later, most Headmasters had died with their partners or were left bodiless. Some remained active, such as [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]], who had had his consciousness transferred into three Cyberdroid attendants who oversaw the maintenance of his old body. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===Unicron Trilogy continuity family===
[[File:Sidewaysheads.jpg|thumb|120px]]

====''Armada'' continuity====
[[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout's]] combination with [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] utilizes Headmaster technology. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada}} {{storylink|Armada Fleer card series}}<ref>{{SITENAME}}'s entry for [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]].</ref>

[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] is a double-Headmaster, combining with either [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] or [[Crosswise (Armada)|Crosswise]]. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter}}

====''Linkage''====
In order to save the dying Rollout and Overload, the Nebulan scientists Hi-Q and Arcana used an ancient technique they found in their archives known as the Headmaster process. The procedure worked in saving the two Cybertronians, but after a time it turned out their new form was unable to handle two Sparks in one body, and their identities began to blur together. The Nebulans called on the Autobot Rhinox for help, but he disappeared during the war with [[Unicron]]. It wasn't until after the war that Overload was able to rebuild himself in his original, pre-Headmaster form. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/18}}

====''Energon'' continuity====
[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] and the other [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinels]] were Headmasters.

===''The Last Knight'' film===
[[Cogman]] was a sociopathic Headmaster, who was in service to the Burton family, including [[Edmund Burton]], who he deemed the coolest. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy Brainstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Brainstorm]]
*'''Autobot Headmasters''' ([[1987]])
**[[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] with [[Arcana]]
**[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] with [[Stylor]]
**[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] with [[Duros]]
**[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] with [[Gort]]
:The four large Autobot Headmasters were sold boxed. They transform into futuristic/Cybertronian vehicles. Each has a [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] compartment that the smaller Nebulan figure can ride in. Plugging in the transformed Nebulan in [[robot mode]] activates tumblers in the robot's chest, displaying three Tech Spec readouts.
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[[File:G1FortressMaximus toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Fortress Maximus, the [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|once]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys#Titans Return|future]] king.]]
*'''Headmaster Autobot Base''' (1987)
**[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] with [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]
:He's big. Yeah yeah yeah.
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[[File:G1-toy Skullcruncher.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Skullcruncher]]
*'''Decepticon Headmasters''' (1987)
**[[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] with [[Grax]]
**[[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] with [[Vorath]]
**[[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] with [[Monzo]]
:The three Decepticon Headmasters were sold boxed, and transform into mechanical creatures. Each has a [[beast mode]] compartment that the Nebulan can ride in. Like their Autobot counterparts, their chests contain tumblers activated by plugging in a head mode Nebulan, which reveal three Tech Spec graph readouts.
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[[File:G1 Apeface toy.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Apeface]]
*'''Headmaster Horrorcons''' (1987)
**[[Apeface]] with [[Spasma]]
**[[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] with [[Krunk]]
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:The Horrorcons change from jets to beasts to robots. The Nebulan partners become the head of both the robot and beast modes.

*'''Headmaster Decepticon Base''' (1987)
**[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] with [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]
:He's not small. No no no.
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[[File:Headmasterteens.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|The Autobot Master Warriors]]
*'''Autobot Master Warrior''' (1987)
**[[Kirk]]
**[[Rodney]]
**[[Loafer]]
**[[Lione]]
**[[Toraizer]]
**[[Shuffler]]
:These exclusive [[Autobot Master Warrior]]s represent Japanese-style Headmasters who have yet to receive Transtectors, though they are compatible with any of the other 1987 Headmasters' toys. They are extremely rare.
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[[File:G1Nightbeat toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|The DRIVER of the car becomes the HEAD of the robot! ...well, a reasonably substantial portion thereof, anyway. (picture: Nightbeat)]]
*'''Autobot Headmasters''' ([[1988]])
**[[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] with [[Lug (G1)|Lug]]
**[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] with [[Muzzle]]
**[[Siren (G1)|Siren]] with [[Quig]]
:The three 1988 Autobot Headmasters transform into Earthly land vehicles. Siren and Hosehead share a fire rescue theme, occasionally causing inattentive fans to mistake Nightbeat for a police car, though he at least gets sweet flames to tenuously keep the theme running. The Nebulan companions are considerably smaller and simpler than those of the 1987 Headmasters, although they are backwards compatible with the previous year's figures. In fact, when plugged into 1987 Headmaster bodies, the 1988 Nebulan figures display the Tech Spec readouts for their 1988 robot counterparts, suggesting the simplification of the tumbler system on the Tech Spec readouts into a simple fixed display to have been a late design decision. Each comes with a "helmet" to complete the robot's head; the helmet doubles as a vehicle mode "seat" for the figure to sit in. Two small pistols attach to the "helmet" in robot mode to complete the head. In the instructions, the head guns for all three are always pointed forward, but the box art aims them up and treats them as antennae. Media followed suit.
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[[File:G1 fangry toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Fangry]]
*'''Decepticon Headmasters''' (1988)
**[[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]] with [[Brisko]]
**[[Horri-Bull]] with [[Kreb]]
**[[Squeezeplay (G1)|Squeezeplay]] with [[Lokos]]
:The three small Decepticon Headmasters transform into fictional monsters. Like their Autobot counterparts, they feature smaller and simpler Nebulan figures than their 1987 predecessors, and are similarly backwards compatible with their larger forerunners, despite their smaller size. Unlike the Autobots, they do not sport additional "helmets" and pistols/antennae. While Squeezeplay and Horri-Bull both have with a tail weapon in addition to their regular gun, Fangry does not even though his [[Tech Spec]]s [[bio]] mentions one, suggesting that it was planned but dropped before final production.
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*'''Headmaster Juniors''' (1988)
**[[Cab (human)|Cab]]
**[[Shūta Gō|Goshooter]]
**[[Minerva (human)|Minerva]]
**[[Bullhorn (G1)|Bullhorn]]
**[[Cancer (G1)|Cancer]]
**[[Wilder (G1)|Wilder]]
:The 1988 Headmaster molds were released in Japan as the [[Headmaster Junior]]s, representing totally different characters though only Goshooter and Minerva were significantly [[redeco]]ed from the US versions.
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*'''Headmaster Autobot Base''' (1988)
**[[Grand Maximus]] with Grand and Gran
:A redeco of Fortress Maximus with an additional [[Pretender]] shell. This Japanese exclusive represented Fortress Maximus's younger brother in ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]''.
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[[File:Blackzarak toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Black Zarak - meaner, and ''uglier''.]]
*'''Headmaster Decepticon Base''' (1988)
**BlackZarak with Scorponok Headmaster Unit
:A redeco and [[retool]] of the Scorponok mold, this was another Japanese exclusive representing the same character, but ''meaner''.
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:BotCon2014-Scorponok.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
*'''Pirates vs Knights''' ([[2014]])
**Scorponok with Olin Zarak
:A retool of [[Scorponok (Energon)#Toys|''Energon'' Scorponok]], the new tooling that his head with a new mechanism for his Headmaster head to plug into. The Headmaster figure itself is a retooled ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] figure with a new face based on Scorponok's original model sheet head.
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations 30 voyager Brainstorm.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Guess who's back...back again...]]
*'''Brainstorm''' ([[2014]])
:Part of the eighth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Brainstorm (G1)#Generations|Brainstorm]] transforms into a turquoise Cybertronian aircraft, and is notable for being the first Headmaster-style figure in the ''Generations'' line. He comes with two pistols which can attach via [[5 mm post]] to his hands and the nosecone of the jet. [[Arcana#Generations|His head]] transforms into an unnamed robot that is most certainly Arcana, and can be inserted inside the cockpit to be used as a pilot. Putting the head robot into the neck socket will reveal Tech Specs like the G1 toy. The Tech Specs are based off the original figure, not the Tech Specs on the box.

:Be warned, the head robot suffers a [[design flaw]], wherein it is possible for it to get stuck in the main robot's socket, and too much force could separate its own head from its body.
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===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Deluxe-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
{{See also|Titan Master#Toys}}
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===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG32-Chromedome.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
:The Takara ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Headmaster figures are redecos or retools of Hasbro's ''Titans Return'' figures, which like all Takara products prior to the brand merger, were changed to match the source material. Some figures were even new molds created specifically for the line. Brainstorm's ''Thrilling 30'' Voyager figure also saw release.
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===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
[[File:WFC-Siege-Voyager-Apeface.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Apeface''' ([[2019]])
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-E-Voyager-Snapdragon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Snapdragon''' ([[2020]])
*'''Scorponok''' (2020)
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===''The Last Knight''===
[[File:TLK-DeluxeCogman.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
*'''Premier Edition''' (2017)
**Cogman (Deluxe Class)
:Cogman's head is capable of transforming into his diminutive "true" robot mode.
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==Merchandise==
===Super-God Masterforce===
*'''Headmaster-Braces—Goshooter''' (1988)

:Japanese exclusive role-play toys that represent the [[Master-Brace]]s used by the [[Headmaster Junior]] [[Shūta Gō|Shūta]]. They are packaged with a role-play communications device.

==Fiction-only Headmasters==
*'''Autobots'''
**[[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]]/[[Galen|Galen Kord]] {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}
**[[Playback]] {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
**[[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]]/[[Hunter O'Nion]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation #4}}
*'''Decepticons'''
**[[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]]/[[Abraham Dante]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation #6}}
*'''Others'''
**[[Sunstreaker clone]]s/[[Machination]] humans, like [[Reese]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 2|Devastation #2}}
**[[Myskrion]] {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}}
**[[Thinkbox]] {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}}

==Notes==
* Early promotional materials, including [[catalog]]s and toy [[commercial]]s, advertised the Decepticon Nebulan partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions, rather than equal partners. One [[commercial]] took this so far as to have the "trainers" holding whips and ordering Weirdwolf, et al. to jump through hoops of fire.
===Homages===
*The [[Unicron Trilogy]] featured a few examples of smaller robots ([[Mini-Con]]s) becoming the heads of larger ones.
**''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] had two Mini-Con drivers, [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] and [[Crosswise (Armada)|Crosswise]], for his motorcycle form that could become individual heads, or combine together into a [[Mirror|larger robot/driver]]. This functionality was retained for his ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' redeco [[Rapid Run (Energon)|Rapid Run]] and his drivers [[Nightscream (Energon)|Nightscream]] and [[Nightcruz (Energon)|Nightcruz]] (and their combined form [[Nightcreeper]]).
**''Armada'' [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]]'s Mini-Con partner [[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]] became the head (and part of the chest) of the larger robot, who could in turn become armor for [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]].
**''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] ''[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] also had a Headmaster partner, Omega, which combined with two vehicles to form a large robot.
*The ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' series features a supervillain named [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] who can use [[Headmaster unit|a flying robotic head]] that aggressively removes another robot's head and replaces it with itself. The head itself can also transform into a small [[robot mode]].
*[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots']] [[High Tide]] can combine with his Rescue Rig as the head of a larger robot, in an apparent Headmaster homage.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Headmaster''' (ヘッドマスター ''Heddomasutā'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Fejmester''' ("Headmaster")
*''Italian:'' '''Leaderbot'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Tóulǐng Zhànshì''' (头领战士, "Headman Fighter")
*''Russian:'' '''Vlastogolov''' (Властоголов, "Headpower")
*''Finnish:'' '''Päällikkö'''

==See also==

*[[Titan Master]]
*[[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]
*[[Powermaster]]
*[[Headmaster Junior]]
*[[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]]
*[[Triple-Threat Master]]

==References==
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Headmaster (technology)

2022-02-26T20:20:55Z

VidaEeviee: Fixed a link

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{{disambig3.5|the 1987 gimmick|the 2016 gimmick|Titan Master|Headmaster}}
[[File:Trialbyfire-headmaster-rollcall.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|This probably hurts.]]
'''Headmasters''' are a type of symbiotic variation on the [[Transformer]] lifeform in which a smaller being, frequently but not exclusively organic, [[Transformation|transforms]] into the head of a larger robot. Headmaster bonding typically occurs between two sentient beings, but there have been cases in which the head or the body (such as the [[Transtector]]s or the [[Sunstreaker clone]]s created by the [[Machination]]) is a non-sentient construct controlled entirely by the other partner.

When it occurs between two sentient beings, the benefits of the Headmaster procedure are many: The partner gains control of a larger, more powerful body, and the Transformer gains an extra perspective on the battlefield, the psychic [[binary bonding]] involved allowing him to draw on both his own ideas, tactics, and instincts as well as those of his partner as quickly as if they were coming from his own head (since they are). Agility, reaction speed, and targeting accuracy are often enhanced by the process.

The Headmaster process leaves its subject Transformers with one glaring disadvantage: when separated from their partners, they have no head. Most can continue to function as vehicles without their partners, but can do little in [[robot mode]] besides stand around.

In conversation, the term "Headmaster" can apply to both the small partner (the head) and the significant other (the body).

Sometimes a duo of Headmaster partners can jointly pilot a larger city-sized body. The resulting [[Titan (group)|Titan]] is known as a '''double-Headmaster'''.

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 continuity family===
====Marvel Comics continuity====
[[File:Fortmaxgiveshead.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Next step: Pez dispenser.]]
The Headmaster technology was primarily the invention of the [[Nebulan]] scientist [[Arcana]] and was designed originally to let Nebulans utilize the bodies of [[Autobot]]s to defend their world, something they did not trust the Autobots enough to let them do on their own.

The organic Nebulans of the Headmaster pairings were able to transform by use of a special suit of "intra-restruction armor" and a "cybernetic mindlink helmet" {{storylink|All or Nothing!}} that interfaced with bio-cybernetic augmentation in the surgically altered humanoid. As described by Arcana, the process as originally enacted allowed the Autobots (still separate, disembodied heads at that point) to radio control their old bodies, while the Nebulan partners observed and planned strategy. This joint cooperation of two minds allowed greatly increased agility and superior aim.

[[File:Brokenglass-autobotstorage.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6]]
The technology was implemented under dire circumstances, as the Nebulan capital city of [[Koraja]] was under siege by [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]]'s Decepticons, who sought the surrender of five Autobots held in Nebulan custody. Five volunteer Nebulans underwent radical reconstructive surgery to allow them to bond with the five Autobots, including [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]], [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]]. Now under Nebulan control, the Headmaster Autobots easily repulsed the Decepticon attack, despite being outnumbered two to one. {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}

The Decepticons reluctantly accepted the possible benefits of this cooperation with organics, and six of them underwent the Headmaster process, with Scorponok bonding to the Nebulan Lord [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]. Luring Fortress Maximus's team into an ambush, Scorponok and his fellow Headmasters [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]], [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]], [[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]], [[Apeface]] and [[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] soon defeated their foes, blasting them unconscious, which caused their heads to disconnect and return to humanoid form. {{storylink|Love and Steel!}} The Autobot-allied Nebulans were taken captive and strung up in a suspended animation prison, while Scorponok's Headmasters rampaged across Nebulos, leaving Nebulan ruins and Autobot corpses in their wake. Realizing that his mind was being re-written by Scorponok, Zarak used the last shreds of his sanity to free the Autobot Headmasters. Fortress Maximus and his band soon left Nebulos for Earth, with the Decepticons in pursuit. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

[[File:Trialbyfire-cerebros-headpitch.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|YOU CAN'T ''BUY'' ME, HOT DOG MAN!]]
En route to Earth, Fortress Maximus was rebuilt into a larger form, with ''two'' Headmaster components: a small robot that transformed into his head, and his partner Galen, who now became the small robot's head.

The two squads of Headmasters soon faced off again on Earth, in a battle inside the cave that had previously held the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. During the battle, Fortress Maximus and Scorponok both used their smaller Headmaster components to travel through an increasingly tight series of tunnels. Doing so, however, exposed Fortress Maximus's partner Galen to attack, and he died saving the Earthling, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]. With Galen killed while separated from Fortress Maximus, Spike demonstrated that it was possible for an organic to control/communicate with the larger robot's form with only the control helmet, as he took control of Fortress Maximus with nothing more than Galen's control helmet. Rejuvenated by their leader's attack, the Autobots soon drove off the Decepticon Headmasters. {{storylink|Trial by Fire!}}

The Headmasters largely stayed in the background during most of the Autobots' subsequent adventures, though Fortress Maximus remained a major player in the events leading up to the [[Underbase Saga|Underbase catastrophe]].

Later, a weakness of the ad hoc nature of the Headmaster partnership became apparent. As the partnerships continued, two minds could meld into one, or conflict on nearly every level. For example, Spike and Fortress Maximus were two separate minds sharing one body, with each dominant in his own form and able to converse with the other; while Lord Zarak and Scorponok seemed to reach some sort of fusion where he was both beings merged into one, with Scorponok to all intents and purposes becoming entirely subsumed by Zarak's personality (to the extent that, [[On the Edge of Extinction!|during the battle with Unicron]], "Scorponok"'s interior monologue identifies himself as being Zarak merely filling the role of Scorponok, implying that the original Scorponok psyche was essentially gone). A similar situation developed between Powermaster [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Hi-Q]], except in the reverse.
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=====''Classics''=====
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The Headmaster process is reversible. {{storylink|Cheap Shots}}

=====Regeneration One=====
{{noteRG1}}
After the deaths of most of the Headmasters by Unicron, the original heads still on Nebulos were [[Project Lazarus|given new bodies]]. {{storylink|Loose Ends, Part 2}} {{storylink|Natural Selection, Part Two}} Chromedome and Stylor were able to have the process completely reversed. {{storylink|The War to End All Wars, Part 1}}

====Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====''The Transformers'' cartoon=====
[[File:Rebirth 1 Autobot heads.JPG||thumb|*gasp* I promise you! You shall be avenged!]]
In this continuity, the Headmaster process was the brainchild of [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]], who had advocated that using an organic partner would be a good strategy in combat with the [[Decepticon]]s. It also seems much less invasive for the organic humanoid involved. No surgical alteration is apparently needed on their part, and the process seems to consist mainly of altering the Transformer's head to 1) have a control center for a partner to sit at inside and 2) transform around the partner into a fancy [[exosuit]]. While some who have undergone it have commented at feeling a closer bond with their respective partners, there is no reason to believe there is any true psychic connection between them as in the binary bonding of other continuities. Before detaching his head, the Transformer downloads his memory and personality into his auxiliary memory circuits in his chest. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}} Far from being automatically on the same page, at one point the "good" Nebulans disagreed with the Autobots on strategy so much that they abandoned them and ran off, forcibly stranding the Autobots in their vehicle modes.{{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}

=====''Wings Universe''=====
{{wingsnote}}
After [[Zarak (G1)|Mo Zarak]] died, his son [[Olin Zarak]] inherited [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], becoming Scorponok's Headmaster controller. [[Tornado]] claimed to have always said that there was something not right with Headmaster technology. {{storylink|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur|Tornado - Decepticon Saboteur, 2014/06/03}}

=====Japanese cartoon continuity=====
Attempting to escape the wars on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], a group of diminutive Cybertronians (most of them only a little larger than human beings) fled the planet, only to have their ship crash on the hazardous, inhospitable planet [[Master (planet)|Master]]. The need for survival fostered several technological advances (helped in part by technology derived from a [[Fortress Maximus (RID)|time-traveling spaceship]] that crashed on the planet sometime later). Chief among them was the creation of "[[Transtector]]s": large, lifeless robot bodies which the smaller robots could connect to and control. The small Cybertronians had not yet actually mastered the art of [[transformation]], however, and had to undergo rigorous mental and physical training in order to become "Headmasters" (their name, obviously enough, derived from the planet itself).

The Headmasters subsequently migrated from Master and joined the Autobot and Decepticon forces on Cybertron and [[Earth]], leading to a lengthy conflict that ultimately resulted in both factions departing the Earth for a prolonged period of time. With easy access to Earth cut off, leaving its safety in doubt should it be attacked by Decepticons in the future, the Autobots on Master created [[Master-Brace]]s, technology that harnessed the mysterious [[Chōkon Power]] to transform humans and allow them to connect to Transtectors and become Headmasters themselves. A set of six Master-Braces and Transtectors were dispatched to Earth, but half the shipment was stolen by Decepticons, and both factions subsequently used the technology to turn three young human children into Headmasters in defense of Earth.

Cybertronian Headmasters possess numerous energy-manipulating superpowers. They are able to exchange Transtectors freely with their fellow Headmasters to increase their power levels and can link up with each other in the [[Head Formation]] for various destructive results. In contrast, human Headmasters do not possess any of these powers, but have their own natural physical strength and reflexes enhanced many times over by the energies filling their bodies. Their cellular structures undergo some form of ill-defined holistic transformation which allows them somehow to transform their actual, physical bodies into heads. However, unlike organic Headmasters in other continuities, they do not have to undergo any ''permanent'' alteration; they are capable of "turning off" their powers and becoming normal human beings with ease, the only drawback being that they are unable to remove the Master-Braces that give them their powers.

====3H comics====
[[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]] commented that he preferred [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] when she had "[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|that kid]]" in her head. {{storylink|Betrayal}}

====Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity====
[[File:Headmaster mech DW mtmte.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Did they include a bathroom in this thing?]]Headmaster technology was originally developed on Cybertron, to be used in conjunction with [[Micromaster]] technology. It would have allowed a normal-sized robot to transform its head into a small body to conserve [[Energon]]. The process was perfected on Nebulon to allow organic beings to act as the head of a Cybertronian body, using aspects of [[combiner]] technology.

The process was designed to put the Nebulon in control of the body, but the actual process as perfected by [[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] and [[Arcana]] resulted in a mental bonding and partnership, with the robot generally maintaining control. Modified organic beings are able to contort during transformation, though appear normal when not wearing the Headmaster armor. Out of their armor, they are indistinguishable from unmodified beings, though they possess improved strength and endurance.

Profile art depicted the Headmaster heads as larger "mecha" that the human partners pilot. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye}}
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====2005 IDW continuity====
[[File:TheMindBomb-cathead.jpg|thumb|left|250px|How would ''you'' like to have to give your head a flea bath every night?]]

In the years preceding the unification of the [[Thirteen#2005 IDW continuity|Thirteen]], [[The Fallen#2005 IDW continuity|Megatronus]] led his [[Darklands|Darklanders]] in the "[[War of the Headmasters]]," though what exactly this campaign entailed is unclear. {{storylink|The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named}}

The first known Headmasters were an ancient Cybertronian faction that fought in the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]] ten million years ago under the command of [[Nexus Prime#2005 IDW continuity|Nexus Prime]]. Their enemy, the Darklander [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]], saw the combination of "beastly" and "pure-born" Cybertronians as an abomination, implying all ancient Headmasters had animal-form heads. {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} Galvatron vanquished the Headmasters during the war, paving the way for the unification of the Cybertronian race. {{storylink|Shockpoint}} Known ancient Headmasters include [[Myskrion]], killed by Galvatron, {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}} and [[Thinkbox]], later retrieved by Galvatron from the ''[[Murkdipper]]'' on the planet [[Spindrift]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} Another possible Headmaster was [[Scalp]], who was allegedly friends with [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]]. {{storylink|The Reluctant Specialist}} [[Titan Master#2005 IDW continuity|Titan Masters]] existed alongside these ancient Headmasters, though what, if any, connection they have to the Headmasters is unknown. {{storylink|White Heat}}

In the modern period, Headmaster technology was reinvented by the shadowy human organization known as the [[Machination]], using technology developed by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]] on the planet [[Nebulos#2005 IDW continuity|Nebulos]]. Following a tip offered to him by [[Swindle (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Swindle]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]] found schematics for enhancing a biological entity with Cybertronian technology, in effect producing a "transformable man". Magnus was able to determine that Nebulan businessman [[Zarak (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|Mo Zarak]] had been subjected to this process shortly before Scorponok fled the premises. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ultra Magnus}}

[[File:Devastation2 SunstreakerHeadmaster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
Approximately 18 years later, the Machination captured [[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]] and [[Hunter O'Nion]]. They dismantled Sunstreaker and subjected Hunter to an extensive regimen of surgery and implants. Subsequently, they attempted to brainwash him into one of their soldiers. {{storylink|The Transformers: Escalation|Escalation}} Hunter resisted and was able to contact Sunstreaker, allowing him to become a Headmaster to fight for the Autobots. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}}

Initially, all Headmasters created by the Machination were non-sentient, guided by their human pilots. As well, all of these models were [[Sunstreaker clone|replicas]] of Sunstreaker, wired into the Autobot's actual head to help coordinate their movements. However, the success of these initial forays into the technology allowed for the first true binary-bond, enabling [[Abraham Dante]] to combine with his Decepticon master Scorponok to facilitate his rebirth. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}} Scorponok was eventually defeated after his connection to his original head was severed. Following this, the remaining Headmasters were gathered up by Ultra Magnus, who purged the Machination of its technology. {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 5|Maximum Dinobots #5}}

====''Beast Wars: Uprising''====
When the war spread to Nebulos, the Decepticons allied with the [[Hive (G1)|Hive Nations]] and began a series of horrific biomechanical experiments on their Autobot and [[World Watcher]] prisoners of war. The end result was the game-changing binary-bonding process, a fusion of Decepticon and Nebulan technology. It wasn't long until the Autobots reverse-engineered the process and deployed Headmasters of their own, then improved on the process to create Targetmasters. The Decepticons upped the ante by introducing the colossal double-Headmaster [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]], forcing the Autobots to deploy the equally gargantuan [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. The end result was the [[Scouring of Nebulos]]. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}} {{storylink|Head Games}}

When the [[Cyberdroid]]s of [[Master (planet)|Master]] got involved in the conflict years later, many of them chose to become Headmasters, replacing the ailing Nebulans. Both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] adopted Headmaster partners when they became [[Triple-Threat Master]]s. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

Three hundred years later, most Headmasters had died with their partners or were left bodiless. Some remained active, such as [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]], who had had his consciousness transferred into three Cyberdroid attendants who oversaw the maintenance of his old body. {{storylink|Head Games}}

===Unicron Trilogy continuity family===
[[File:Sidewaysheads.jpg|thumb|120px]]

====''Armada'' continuity====
[[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout's]] combination with [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]] utilizes Headmaster technology. {{storylink|More than Meets the Eye: Transformers: Armada}} {{storylink|Armada Fleer card series}}<ref>{{SITENAME}}'s entry for [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]].</ref>

[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] is a double-Headmaster, combining with either [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] or [[Crosswise (Armada)|Crosswise]]. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter}}

====''Linkage''====
In order to save the dying Rollout and Overload, the Nebulan scientists Hi-Q and Arcana used an ancient technique they found in their archives known as the Headmaster process. The procedure worked in saving the two Cybertronians, but after a time it turned out their new form was unable to handle two Sparks in one body, and their identities began to blur together. The Nebulans called on the Autobot Rhinox for help, but he disappeared during the war with [[Unicron]]. It wasn't until after the war that Overload was able to rebuild himself in his original, pre-Headmaster form. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/18}}

====''Energon'' continuity====
[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] and the other [[Omega Sentinel (Energon)|Omega Sentinels]] were Headmasters.

===''The Last Knight'' film===
[[Cogman]] was a sociopathic Headmaster, who was in service to the Burton family, including [[Edmund Burton]], who he deemed the coolest. {{storylink|Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight}}
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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy Brainstorm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Brainstorm]]
*'''Autobot Headmasters''' ([[1987]])
**[[Brainstorm (G1)|Brainstorm]] with [[Arcana]]
**[[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] with [[Stylor]]
**[[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] with [[Duros]]
**[[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] with [[Gort]]
:The four large Autobot Headmasters were sold boxed. They transform into futuristic/Cybertronian vehicles. Each has a [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] compartment that the smaller Nebulan figure can ride in. Plugging in the transformed Nebulan in [[robot mode]] activates tumblers in the robot's chest, displaying three Tech Spec readouts.
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[[File:G1FortressMaximus toy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Fortress Maximus, the [[Metroplex (G1)#Generations|once]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)#Titans Return|future]] king.]]
*'''Headmaster Autobot Base''' (1987)
**[[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] with [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]
:He's big. Yeah yeah yeah.
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[[File:G1-toy Skullcruncher.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Skullcruncher]]
*'''Decepticon Headmasters''' (1987)
**[[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullcruncher]] with [[Grax]]
**[[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] with [[Vorath]]
**[[Weirdwolf (G1)|Weirdwolf]] with [[Monzo]]
:The three Decepticon Headmasters were sold boxed, and transform into mechanical creatures. Each has a [[beast mode]] compartment that the Nebulan can ride in. Like their Autobot counterparts, their chests contain tumblers activated by plugging in a head mode Nebulan, which reveal three Tech Spec graph readouts.
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[[File:G1 Apeface toy.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Apeface]]
*'''Headmaster Horrorcons''' (1987)
**[[Apeface]] with [[Spasma]]
**[[Snapdragon (G1)|Snapdragon]] with [[Krunk]]
{{main|Horrorcon (G1)#Toys}}
:The Horrorcons change from jets to beasts to robots. The Nebulan partners become the head of both the robot and beast modes.

*'''Headmaster Decepticon Base''' (1987)
**[[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] with [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]]
:He's not small. No no no.
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[[File:Headmasterteens.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|The Autobot Master Warriors]]
*'''Autobot Master Warrior''' (1987)
**[[Kirk]]
**[[Rodney]]
**[[Loafer]]
**[[Lione]]
**[[Toraizer]]
**[[Shuffler]]
:These exclusive [[Autobot Master Warrior]]s represent Japanese-style Headmasters who have yet to receive Transtectors, though they are compatible with any of the other 1987 Headmasters' toys. They are extremely rare.
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[[File:G1Nightbeat toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|The DRIVER of the car becomes the HEAD of the robot! ...well, a reasonably substantial portion thereof, anyway. (picture: Nightbeat)]]
*'''Autobot Headmasters''' ([[1988]])
**[[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] with [[Lug (G1)|Lug]]
**[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] with [[Muzzle]]
**[[Siren (G1)|Siren]] with [[Quig]]
:The three 1988 Autobot Headmasters transform into Earthly land vehicles. Siren and Hosehead share a fire rescue theme, occasionally causing inattentive fans to mistake Nightbeat for a police car, though he at least gets sweet flames to tenuously keep the theme running. The Nebulan companions are considerably smaller and simpler than those of the 1987 Headmasters, although they are backwards compatible with the previous year's figures. In fact, when plugged into 1987 Headmaster bodies, the 1988 Nebulan figures display the Tech Spec readouts for their 1988 robot counterparts, suggesting the simplification of the tumbler system on the Tech Spec readouts into a simple fixed display to have been a late design decision. Each comes with a "helmet" to complete the robot's head; the helmet doubles as a vehicle mode "seat" for the figure to sit in. Two small pistols attach to the "helmet" in robot mode to complete the head. In the instructions, the head guns for all three are always pointed forward, but the box art aims them up and treats them as antennae. Media followed suit.
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[[File:G1 fangry toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Fangry]]
*'''Decepticon Headmasters''' (1988)
**[[Fangry (G1)|Fangry]] with [[Brisko]]
**[[Horri-Bull]] with [[Kreb]]
**[[Squeezeplay (G1)|Squeezeplay]] with [[Lokos]]
:The three small Decepticon Headmasters transform into fictional monsters. Like their Autobot counterparts, they feature smaller and simpler Nebulan figures than their 1987 predecessors, and are similarly backwards compatible with their larger forerunners, despite their smaller size. Unlike the Autobots, they do not sport additional "helmets" and pistols/antennae. While Squeezeplay and Horri-Bull both have with a tail weapon in addition to their regular gun, Fangry does not even though his [[Tech Spec]]s [[bio]] mentions one, suggesting that it was planned but dropped before final production.
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*'''Headmaster Juniors''' (1988)
**[[Cab (human)|Cab]]
**[[Shūta Gō|Goshooter]]
**[[Minerva (human)|Minerva]]
**[[Bullhorn (G1)|Bullhorn]]
**[[Cancer (G1)|Cancer]]
**[[Wilder (G1)|Wilder]]
:The 1988 Headmaster molds were released in Japan as the [[Headmaster Junior]]s, representing totally different characters though only Goshooter and Minerva were significantly [[redeco]]ed from the US versions.
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*'''Headmaster Autobot Base''' (1988)
**[[Grand Maximus]] with Grand and Gran
:A redeco of Fortress Maximus with an additional [[Pretender]] shell. This Japanese exclusive represented Fortress Maximus's younger brother in ''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (franchise)|Super-God Masterforce]]''.
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[[File:Blackzarak toy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Black Zarak - meaner, and ''uglier''.]]
*'''Headmaster Decepticon Base''' (1988)
**BlackZarak with Scorponok Headmaster Unit
:A redeco and [[retool]] of the Scorponok mold, this was another Japanese exclusive representing the same character, but ''meaner''.
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===''Timelines''===
[[File:BotCon2014-Scorponok.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
*'''Pirates vs Knights''' ([[2014]])
**Scorponok with Olin Zarak
:A retool of [[Scorponok (Energon)#Toys|''Energon'' Scorponok]], the new tooling that his head with a new mechanism for his Headmaster head to plug into. The Headmaster figure itself is a retooled ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] figure with a new face based on Scorponok's original model sheet head.
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===''Generations''===
[[File:Generations 30 voyager Brainstorm.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|Guess who's back...back again...]]
*'''Brainstorm''' ([[2014]])
:Part of the eighth wave of 2012-onwards ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' Voyager Class toys, ''[[Thrilling 30]]'' [[Brainstorm (G1)#Generations|Brainstorm]] transforms into a turquoise Cybertronian aircraft, and is notable for being the first Headmaster-style figure in the ''Generations'' line. He comes with two pistols which can attach via [[5 mm post]] to his hands and the nosecone of the jet. [[Arcana#Generations|His head]] transforms into an unnamed robot that is most certainly Arcana, and can be inserted inside the cockpit to be used as a pilot. Putting the head robot into the neck socket will reveal Tech Specs like the G1 toy. The Tech Specs are based off the original figure, not the Tech Specs on the box.

:Be warned, the head robot suffers a [[design flaw]], wherein it is possible for it to get stuck in the main robot's socket, and too much force could separate its own head from its body.
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===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Deluxe-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
{{See also|Titan Master#Toys}}
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===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG32-Chromedome.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
:The Takara ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Headmaster figures are redecos or retools of Hasbro's ''Titans Return'' figures, which like all Takara products prior to the brand merger, were changed to match the source material. Some figures were even new molds created specifically for the line. Brainstorm's ''Thrilling 30'' Voyager figure also saw release.
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===''War for Cybertron: Siege''===
[[File:WFC-Siege-Voyager-Apeface.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Apeface''' ([[2019]])
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===''War for Cybertron: Earthrise''===
[[File:TF-Generations-WFC-E-Voyager-Snapdragon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Snapdragon''' ([[2020]])
*'''Scorponok''' (2020)
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===''The Last Knight''===
[[File:TLK-DeluxeCogman.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
*'''Premier Edition''' (2017)
**Cogman (Deluxe Class)
:Cogman's head is capable of transforming into his diminutive "true" robot mode.
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==Merchandise==
===Super-God Masterforce===
*'''Headmaster-Braces—Goshooter''' (1988)

:Japanese exclusive role-play toys that represent the [[Master-Brace]]s used by the [[Headmaster Junior]] [[Shūta Gō|Shūta]]. They are packaged with a role-play communications device.

==Fiction-only Headmasters==
*'''Autobots'''
**[[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]]/[[Galen|Galen Kord]] {{storylink|Broken Glass!}}
**[[Playback]] {{storylink|The Big Shutdown!}}
**[[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]]/[[Hunter O'Nion]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation #4}}
*'''Decepticons'''
**[[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]]/[[Abraham Dante]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation #6}}
*'''Others'''
**[[Sunstreaker clone]]s/[[Machination]] humans, like [[Reese]] {{storylink|Devastation issue 2|Devastation #2}}
**[[Myskrion]] {{storylink|Earthfall Chapter 3: The Mind Bomb|The Mind Bomb}}
**[[Thinkbox]] {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}}

==Notes==
* Early promotional materials, including [[catalog]]s and toy [[commercial]]s, advertised the Decepticon Nebulan partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions, rather than equal partners. One [[commercial]] took this so far as to have the "trainers" holding whips and ordering Weirdwolf, et al. to jump through hoops of fire.
===Homages===
*The [[Unicron Trilogy]] featured a few examples of smaller robots ([[Mini-Con]]s) becoming the heads of larger ones.
**''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'' [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] had two Mini-Con drivers, [[Rook (Armada)|Rook]] and [[Crosswise (Armada)|Crosswise]], for his motorcycle form that could become individual heads, or combine together into a [[Mirror|larger robot/driver]]. This functionality was retained for his ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' redeco [[Rapid Run (Energon)|Rapid Run]] and his drivers [[Nightscream (Energon)|Nightscream]] and [[Nightcruz (Energon)|Nightcruz]] (and their combined form [[Nightcreeper]]).
**''Armada'' [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]]'s Mini-Con partner [[Rollout (Armada)|Rollout]] became the head (and part of the chest) of the larger robot, who could in turn become armor for [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]].
**''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]] ''[[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] also had a Headmaster partner, Omega, which combined with two vehicles to form a large robot.
*The ''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Transformers Animated]]'' series features a supervillain named [[Headmaster (Animated)|Headmaster]] who can use [[Headmaster unit|a flying robotic head]] that aggressively removes another robot's head and replaces it with itself. The head itself can also transform into a small [[robot mode]].
*[[Transformers: Rescue Bots (cartoon)|Rescue Bots']] [[High Tide]] can combine with his Rescue Rig as the head of a larger robot, in an apparent Headmaster homage.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Headmaster''' (ヘッドマスター ''Heddomasutā'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Fejmester''' ("Headmaster")
*''Italian:'' '''Leaderbot'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Tóulǐng Zhànshì''' (头领战士, "Headman Fighter")
*''Russian:'' '''Vlastogolov''' (Властоголов, "Headpower")
*''Finnish:'' '''Päällikkö'''

==See also==

*[[Titan Master]]
*[[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]
*[[Powermaster]]
*[[Headmaster Junior]]
*[[Godmaster (lifeform)|Godmaster]]
*[[Triple-Threat Master]]

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