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Energon mutation

2025-07-22T22:01:13Z

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[[Energon]] is an incredibly potent fuel source and the lifeblood of the [[Transformer]] race, but few know of its greatest secret—enough energon, or even a sufficiently strong dose of its [[Energon radiation|unique radiation]] can, under the correct conditions, instantly [[reformatting|reformat]] ordinary objects into living Transformers, sometimes known as '''energon mutations''' or '''AllSpark mutations'''. Usually, it takes a great deal of energon to accomplish such a feat, and as a result this phenomenon requires exceptionally powerful energon sources, such as that contained within the life-giving [[AllSpark]]. However, sufficient quantities of mundane energon can, under the correct circumstances, also create life.

Transformers created in this method vary wildly. Some spring to life as fully cogent, sapient lifeforms no different from any other Transformer; others are little more than feral animals, and still others straddle the line between these two extremes. Perhaps owing to their unusual origins, many appear to lack [[spark]]s entirely. Perhaps due to their relative youth, many display a rebellious, independent streak by holding themselves apart from Autobots and Decepticons alike, and a surprisingly large number of mutations display a propensity for juvenile mischief.

{{bigquote|When energon struck a mall nearby, we became more than meets the eye.|''[[Transformers: BotBots (cartoon)|Transformers: BotBots]]'' theme song}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 continuity family===
====''Beast Wars II'' comic====
[[File:BeastWarsNeoBegin-AngolmoisExposure.jpg|thumb|left|300px]]
An [[Angolmois Energy|Angolmois]] Capsule from Nemesis travelled back in time and fell on a planet in the [[7th Cosmos]]. The "Divine Stone" evolved the native animals, gifting them with the ability to speak and even weapons such as missiles. While marooned on this remote world, [[Lio Convoy]] encountered a friendly woolly mammoth named [[Big Convoy|Big]], and a gang of prehistoric reptiles led by an unfriendly ''Giganotosaurus''. When Big and his rivals came into conflict over a crashed [[Angolmois Energy|Angolmois]] capsule, the energies unleashed by its destruction merged the ''Giganotosaurus'' and some of his followers together into the mighty [[Magmatron]], and turned the rest of them into [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] soldiers. Additionally, the power of Lio Convoy's [[Energon Matrix]] spontaneously transformed the mammoth into "Big Convoy". {{storylink|The Beast Wars "Neo" Begin!!!}}

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===Live-action film series===
====Movies====
=====''Transformers'' film=====
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While experimenting on the [[AllSpark]], [[Sector Seven]]'s research team learned how to channel and harness its life-giving radiation and turn ordinary human machines into Cybertronians—unlike the fully-sentient Autobots and Decepticons, however, these creatures were violent, feral beings who mindlessly attacked anything in their immediate vicinity. [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] planned to used the AllSpark to bring all of Earth's machinery to life, then turn them into a new army of Decepticon conquerors. According to the unreliable testimony of agent [[Seymour Simmons]], [[Nokia]]-brand cell phones were particularly nasty compared to other electronic devices—indeed, one [[Nokia-bot|test subject]] manifested a tiny machine gun and attempted to break containment before Simmons terminated the creature with a powerful electric pulse.

Later, as [[Sam Witwicky]] fled from [[Decepticon]]s in [[Mission City]], he dropped the AllSpark cube and unleashed an uncontrolled energy pulse that brought three more machines to life: a [[Dispensor|soda machine]], an [[Xbox 360 robot|Xbox 360]], and a [[Steering wheel robot|steering wheel]]. {{storylink|Transformers (film)|Transformers}}

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=====''Revenge of the Fallen'' film=====
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After the AllSpark's destruction, a small fragment got mixed up in the tattered t-shirt Sam had been wearing that day. Two years later, Sam found the fragment, but—shocked by its energies—dropped it. It burned through the floor of his bedroom, landed in the kitchen, and discharged a burst of energy which brought many of the electronic devices in the Witwicky kitchen to life as [[Decepticon]]s. These "[[Appliancebot]]s" rampaged through the house and attempted to kill him and his family until [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] destroyed all of the mutations. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

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====Titan movie comics====
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AllSpark mutations contained solidified AllSpark energy in their chests that resemble small, red AllSpark cubes. After Megatron's defeat, the living machines animated by the AllSpark continued to run amok in [[Los Angeles]] until [[Starscream (Movie)|Starscream]] began killing them and taking their energy to resurrect his dead comrades as mindless [[zombie]]s. {{storylink|Transformers Comic issue 7|Starscream's Militia}}

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====IDW movie comics====
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In [[1913]], [[Jetfire (Movie)|Jetfire]] discovered the [[AllSpark]] excavation site in the Colorado River basin and came into conflict with the men who would go on to found Sector Seven. His touch activated the AllSpark and unleashed a surge of energon that brought four nearby machines to life: a shotgun, a radio, a car, and the crane holding the AllSpark. While [[Roy Thompson]] and [[Theodore Joseph Wells|Theodore Wells]] dispatched the radio and the gun, [[Herbert Hoover]] opened the water bypass from the nearby dam and destroyed the crane. {{storylink|Irreplaceable}} Only the [[Flathead|car]] escaped, and laid low for twenty years until a pair of criminals named [[Bonnie Parker]] and [[Clyde Barrow]] used it during their infamous crime spree. When Sector Seven finally caught up with the rogue machine, [[Margaret Simmons]] destroyed it using an experimental electrical weapon. {{storylink|Together}}

A century later, while mopping up after the battle of [[Mission City]], [[Ironhide (Movie)|Ironhide]], [[William Lennox|Captain Lennox]], [[Robert Epps|Technical Sergeant Epps]] and a few other soldiers tracked down and destroyed the remaining AllSpark mutations. {{storylink|Alliance issue 1|Alliance #1}} That same year, an AllSpark fragment brought a group of [[Landmine (Movie)|L.M.-1]] drones to life, but they were quickly destroyed by [[Wreckage (Movie)|Wreckage]], who'd been revived with the same fragment of AllSpark energy. {{storylink|Alliance issue 2|Alliance #2}}

Approximately one year later, [[Ravage (ROTF)|Ravage]] broke into [[Guantanamo Bay]] and stole the remains of the Appliancebots. He got as far as [[Florida]] but was knocked offline by an explosion at [[Kingdom Petrochemicals]]. {{storylink|Tales of the Fallen issue 5|Tales of the Fallen #5}} The mutations lay scattered around Ravage at the bottom of a tank until a team sent by the [[Initiative]], Ravage's new enigmatic masters, arrived and began draining the residual AllSpark energy from them. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 1|Nefarious #1}} Ravage was later revived by [[Buzzsaw (ROTF)|Buzzsaw]], but the Appliancebots were left nonfunctional. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 2|Nefarious #2}} Initiative leader [[Carter Newell]] used a neural conduit to beam this AllSpark energy across the country, and remotely animated a paper shredder, an air conditioning unit, a copy machine, and a coffee maker to assassinate the other board members of Project: Nefarious. {{storylink|Nefarious issue 4|Nefarious #4}} {{Storylink|Nefarious issue 5|Nefarious #5}}

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====Toy bios====
During the battle of Mission City, the AllSpark brought a number of other machines to life, including [[Longarm (Movie)|Longarm]], {{storylink|#FinalStand|Final Stand toy bio}}, [[Jolt (Movie)|Jolt]], {{storylink|Jolt (Movie)#Toys|Jolt toy bio}}, and [[Landmine (Movie)|Landmine]]. {{storylink|Landmine#Transformers (2007)|Landmine toy bio}}

When uncontrolled AllSpark energy came into contact with household electronics like cell phones, cameras, and video game controllers, the [[Real Gear Robot]]s were born.<ref>Real Gear Robots [[packaging]] blurb</ref>

===''Animated''===
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The AllSpark's unique energies can affect ordinary Earth machines in strange and unpredictable ways, including, in rare instances, the spontaneous creation of a full-fledged Cybertronian lifeform. The first known instance of this phenomenon occurred during a battle against malfunctioning animatronic [[Dinosaur (dinosaur)|dinosaurs]]; although the Autobots didn't know it at the time, the combination of an [[electromagnetic pulse]] and the energies of [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]]’s [[AllSpark Key]] turned the mindless animatronics into sentient, if dimwitted, "[[Dinobot (Animated)|Dinobot]]s" with the ability to transform. {{storylink|Blast from the Past}}

Some months later, a battle between the Autobots and a newly-revived [[Megatron (Animated)|Megatron]] resulted in the destruction of the AllSpark's physical form and scattered numerous AllSpark fragments throughout [[Detroit]] and the surrounding area. {{storylink|The Elite Guard}} Although vast majority of these shards simply amplified or interfered with [[human]] technology, a few fragments had a more interesting effect on vehicles and other inanimate objects: two AllSpark fragments created the [[Constructicon (Animated)|Constructicon]]s [[Mixmaster (Animated)|Mixmaster]] and [[Scrapper (Animated)|Scrapper]] from a pair of construction vehicles, {{storylink|Rise of the Constructicons}} while another fragment turned a heap of junk into the eccentric [[Wreck-Gar (Animated)|Wreck-Gar]]. {{storylink|Garbage In, Garbage Out}} Later still, a discarded AllSpark fragment somehow combined a forklift with an abandoned [[Headmaster unit]] and formed [[Dirt Boss (Animated)|Dirt Boss]]. {{storylink|Three's a Crowd (episode)|Three's a Crowd}}

The AllSpark mutation [[Strain-R]] transformed into a colander. {{Storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

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===Aligned continuity family===
====''Prime'' cartoon====
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Exposure to [[Dark Energon]] turned one of [[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]'s discarded medical tools into an aggressive, insect-like mechanoid. {{storylink|Darkness Rising, Part 2}}

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===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 509.28 Epsilon]], a hyper-intelligent [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] used the Dark Energon in Unicron's head to grant life to the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s, a feat that should have been thousands of years ahead of its time. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/23}} While some 'bots owed their existence to poisonous, chaotic energy sources like Dark Energon and [[Angolmois Energy]], [[Vector Prime]] held that it was not the ''origins'' of a spark that determined its future alignment; in his view, all sparks, regardless of their origins, held the capacity for both good and evil. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 23/07/2015}}

===''BotBots''===
====''Botbots Mad Libs''====
A glowing cloud of energon mist brought the BotBots to life. {{storylink|The Beginning of BotBots}}

====''BotBots'' cartoon====
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A mysterious cloud of energon mist descended upon an ordinary [[human]] shopping mall and turned the food and inanimate objects inside into mischievous "BotBots". While most of the newly-activated BotBots quickly got the hang of their new forms and divided themselves into small subgroups based on the nature of their [[alternate mode]]s, four random objects left behind in the mall's lost and found room became the "[[Lost Bots]]", a group of misfits largely unaware of the wider mall beyond the four walls of the lost and found. Because her unique bonsai tree form distinguished her from the other BotBots who inhabited the mall, [[Bonz-Eye]] was unsure if any group would accept her at all. {{storylink|Lone Bot and Carb}}

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==Commercial appearances==
===Official Digital Commercial===
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A mysterious cloud of energon brought the BotBots to life, who caused havoc moments after they first activated. {{storylink|Commercial#Official Digital Commercial|Official Digital Commercial}}

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==Notes==
* The term "AllSpark Mutations" comes from [[Alliance issue 1|''Alliance'' #1]].
* Screenwriter [[Roberto Orci]] has offered some potential explanations for the evil nature of on-screen AllSpark Mutations both at [[BotCon 2007]] and on the official movie forum:
** "Prime intended to use the AllSpark to repower Cybertron as it was intended. Megatron wants to abuse it by creating Transformers directly, which makes souless{{sic}}, primal Transformers."<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=384935&postcount=29 Orci and Kurtzman Questions: Post movie (#29)]</ref>
** "It is meant to power Cybertron, not adapt human technology. Also, since all earth's tech is reverse engineered from Megatron, maybe that affects the outcome, too."<ref>[http://boards.transformersmovie.com/showpost.php?p=387031&postcount=170 Orci and Kurtzman Questions: Post movie (#170)]</ref>
* A final explanation can be taken from a mission in ''[[Transformers The Game|Transformers: Autobots]]''. When the Autobots attempt to retrieve the AllSpark, it produces drones from the local machinery to defend itself. As such, the AllSpark-created Transformers may have been feral as a survival mechanism.
** Though this doesn't explain the Appliancebots having the [[Decepticon]] [[Insignia]] emblazed on themselves shortly after being created. <ref>[[:File:Vacuum_Cleaner_Decepticon.jpg|Screencap]] of the [[Dyson vacuum cleaner]] with the Decepticon symbol visible on their face.</ref>
* None of the AllSpark Mutations that appeared in the movie were in the leaked script except for the [[Xbox 360 robot]]. In the film, the Xbox robot is joined by [[Nokia-bot|a Nokia phone]], [[Dispensor|a Mountain Dew vending machine]], and [[Steering wheel robot|a steering wheel]], but in the script, it is instead joined by an [[iPod AllSpark mutation|iPod]], devices in a truck, and [[Flatscreen TV AllSpark mutation|plasma televisions]].
* ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' originally featured a scene where the Autobot inadvertently brought the electronics in [[Charlie Watson|Charlie]]'s house to life, necessitating a slapstick fight sequence in which Bumblebee, Charlie, and [[Memo]] had to unplug the hostile Transformers to deactivate them. This scene was cut ''very'' late in production, enough so that a version of it would find its way into both the junior novel and [[A New Car for Charlie|Junior Reader adaptations]].

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[[Category:Energon mutations]]
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Dyson vacuum cleaner

2025-07-21T17:56:51Z

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:''The Dyson Vacuum cleaner is an [[Energon mutation|AllSpark Mutation]] from the [[Live-action film series|live-action film]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:DysonVacuumCleanerBot.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|James Dyson's Punch Out!!!]]

The '''Dyson Vacuum cleaner''' is basically a vacuum cleaner of death. He's homicidal pretty much from birth and that's about all we know.

==Fiction==
===''Revenge of the Fallen''===
The Dyson Vacuum cleaner robot was brought to life when [[Sam Witwicky]] dropped a piece of the [[AllSpark]]. Along with his fellow [[Appliancebot]]s, he tried to attack Sam but was blasted by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] for his troubles. {{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen}}

==Notes==
*The model of vacuum cleaner this robot transforms into is a {{w|List of Dyson products|Dyson DC25}}.
*The Dyson vacuum cleaner robot appears to be the physically tallest of the Appliancebots.
*His physical appearance is very similar to and possibly based on [[Dispensor|Dispensor's]].
* Despite being just created, the vacuum cleaner has the Decepticon [[Insignia]] emblazed on on his head.

== Gallery ==
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File:Vacuum Cleaner Decepticon.jpg

2025-07-21T17:54:44Z

Vrung: The Insignia of the Decepticons on the Dyson vacuum cleaner in ''Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen''. Image originally taken by [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/johnson-the-third.1415...

The [[Insignia]] of the [[Decepticon]]s on the [[Dyson vacuum cleaner]] in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen]]''.

Image originally taken by [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/members/johnson-the-third.141506/ Johnson the third].

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==The Thirteen and the other conversation we've been waiting for==

Over the last few years, the Thirteen have played a major role in multiple ''Transformers'' stories. However, this prominence—combined with Hasbro's increasingly loose approach their in-universe lore—has also led to increasingly divergent portrayals of the group and its individual members.

Around 2015, we took the step of consolidating all the different incarnations of the Thirteen on one page for each, with the rationale that the characters were former [[multiversal singularity|multiversal singularities]], and mostly shared similar backstories and personalities between incarnations. However, even at the time, this was not a completely ideal comporomise. Most notably, the various [[Alpha Trion]]s were not consolidated into one, partly due to length and partly because the existence of his [[Alpha Trion/Shattered Glass|murderously insane evil counterpart]] represented a massive contradiction to the entire notion.

However, over the years, multiple authors have drastically reinterpreted the Thirteen and their story. The role of "Thirteenth Prime" has been filled by multiple contradictory characters—[[Optimus Prime (WFC)|Optimus Prime]], [[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]], [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]]—and individual depictions of the Primes themselves have grown increasingly divergent. "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion is no longer the outlier, but rather an increasing trend: for instance, ''Transformers One'' features a completely heroic Megatronus who never becomes The Fallen, a Liege Maximo that looks nothing like Loki, and an incarnation of Nexus Prime that does not seem to be a combiner. With these data points in mind—and the potential for even further divergence in the coming years—I and several other editors feel that it may be time to reorganize our Thirteen coverage, splitting them out into individual [[continuity family]]-based incarnations the way we would for stock characters like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]], etc.

However, if we do adopt this approach, some further problems would need to be solved.

* '''How do we handle toys?''' With a few exceptions like ''Revenge of the Fallen'' The Fallen, the toys of the Thirteen are clearly meant to be somewhat continuity-agnostic. ''Age of the Primes'' Solus Prime is about as faithful to her depiction in ''The Covenant of Primus'' as it is to ''One'' or any of the IDW comics in which she appears. Even if we count them as "repurposes" across multiple pages, the format of the wiki means they'd have to be based ''somewhere''...

* '''FunPub stuff''': The Vector Prime of "Ask Vector Prime" is clearly meant to be a version of the same Vector Prime who appeared in the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, but at the same time makes reference to off-camera events, such as a time when he and the Thirteen lived in Ancient Greece—would we make a separate "FunPub" page for the Thirteen, or try and work these events onto Unicron Trilogy pages when necessary? Other similar problems exist: "[[Coalescence]]" is a story that features a movie universe Fallen jumping into the world of ''Shattered Glass'', and AVP established that "The Evil One" of GoBots fame, is another alternate-universe incarnation of The Fallen/Megatronus.

Feedback on this proposal is appreciated! [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 11:50, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:From my point of view, I think as it stands right now my thoughts on the Thirteenth Prime stuff is that I absolutely understand the concerns, but for me personally it kind of falls into the same view as like, IDW Primus being Rung, which I think our current model handles fairly well. For the other Primes, I'm tempted to say that like...as it stands, there's about as much divergence there as like, Unicron as he's depicted in The Last Knight (not really shown to be aggressive beyond being called Cybertron's enemy), and as it stands right now, I don't think that's enough to say there should be a full-on split, but I do think it's worth thinking about future-proofing. And I suppose my main concern right now about pushing ahead too soon is in the event there's some fiction accompanying the Age of the Primes stuff; certainly, the fact that we're getting a toy of the Fallen with the Megatronus name but with the original Dreamwave design does make me hesitant that there might be some further consolidation of disparate elements; and I remember that last time we did this in the early 2010s was that we figured the idea of the Aligned Primes not having any connections to the others was going to be the standard going forward, which turned out not to be the case, and I figure it might be worth considering if something like that happens again. But! I am open to ideas of how to implement this if we do go for it; I think the suite options we have for Primus and Unicron work perfectly fine if we go for something like that. Just figure it's worth considering the stuff I've brought up here first. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 12:35, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Right now, I'm leaning toward the camp of not splitting them out for all the reasons you've given. I look at our current situation and, while not perfect, I feel that things can be tidied up simply with some "Conceptual history" sections for the pages that need them. The aforementioned Vector Prime is a particular case not just for everything stated about him above, but because [[Vector Prime: In the Beginning|his very first Fub Pub appearance]] written by [[Forest Lee]] leans so heavily far into the multiversal aspect of the character that it doesn't treat him like he is a native to the Cybertron cartoon universe but rather to the whole multiverse itself. Similarly, Nexus Prime was also continuity-agnostic by his very nature from the ground up. The safest solution for splitting him out would be to classify his Fun Pub incarnation under "(Timelines)" (the previous "(Classics)" tag we had him under was bleh), but that's typically a last-resort tag we have tried to avoid in the past.
::Regarding The Fallen, while he does tend to be evil in a majority of his depictions, and has had a few outlier cases where he either didn't go bad at all (TF One) or was the victim of other's manipulations (Covenant), it's implied that the majority of those evil versions weren't always evil from the start, and only went bad later. The TF One version of Megatronus never turned to the dark side, but one could argue that he was murdered before he ever would have gotten the chance to. ;-)
::Regarding the Thirteenth Prime and various conflicting the depictions, we solved that issue by simply creating the "[[Thirteenth Prime]]" article to explain everything there.
::You mention the situation with Alpha Trion, and I get it. The biggest reasons for simply not merging all of his pages together were that A) he was never originally meant to be one of the Thirteen since the original Dreamwave-based lore for the Thirteen had them all die before A3 was even born, and B) his Shattered Glass self. I used to be a proponent for keeping all of his versions separate because of A, but in the time since then we've had more and more depictions of him as a 13er who were all still pretty much the same as his traditional pre-Aligned depictions. If we were to merge all of his versions together, a "Conceptual history" section for him could explain the whole "Sometimes he's a 13er, sometimes he's not" situation.
::BUT, there still remains his SG version, which I wouldn't feel comfortable putting on the same page as his other versions. Reaching back to the [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3F original discussion] about how to handle the SG characters, I find myself still agreeing with those like Steve-o who pointed out how awkward "'''Continuity X''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Continuity Y''': Bumblebee loves humans and does lots of different but still funny and cute stuff to help save the universe. '''Shattered Glass''': Bumblebee is hardcore evil and wants to kill you for no particular reason. '''Continuity Z''': Bumblebee loves humans and does yet another set of funny and cute stuff to help save the universe." reads as a page. But, there is one thing we have nowadays that we did not have back when that original discussion was held and makes me wonder how differently the conversation might have gone if they had existed back then: Subpages. Looking at our [[Primus]] and [[Unicron]] articles, I find it to be a very fair and workable compromise that their respective SG versions are placed not on their respective main pages but as subpages for each. Doing the same for SG Alpha Trion were we to merge all of the non-SG A3's together could be a valid solution too, in my eyes. Unlike others, I don't see subpages as an annoying evil that much be dealt with and eliminated, but as a handy tool to work around tricky situations like this.
::Had they even existed back then, it's very possible that ALL SG characters may have ended up on subpages for their positive polarity counterparts instead of separate pages entirely. And since then, SG has grown to expand not just beyond the original Fun Pub SG G1 continuity but to other non-G1 SG continuities, like for the Movies, Animated, and Cybertron, forcing us to create such unsightly tags as "(SG Movie)", "(SG Animated)", and "(SG Cybertron)", when subpages could have prevented that with "(Movie)/Shattered Glass" or "(Animated)/Shattered Glass" and so on.
::But, I'm getting off topic. Backing up to the Thirteen, I'm for keeping the Thirteen together. In addition to what all I've said above, the Age of the Primes toys seem to be treating them as the standard or definitive versions of the Thirteen that apply for every version/universe/continuity, pulling from all across the board rather than sticking to a single depicted version of them. Prima has his Aligned body but the Sunbow Powerful Robot's head. The Fallen is just the Dreamwave design but with Aligned Megatronus's weapons from the books and RID 2015 cartoon. Micronus is likely to be based on his RID 2015 design which was itself based on the Aligned design. The statue group artwork makes Amalgamous looks more like his TF One design than his Aligned design. Vector Prime is just straight-up Cybertron Vector Prime. And Star Convoy was never one of the Thirteen in any version before now. Yet, all these disparately-sourced designs are being treated as if they all belong to the same group no matter what continuity they come from. So keeping them together as they are would just make it easier for us to not have to split hairs over which versions of which 13ers these are supposed to be when the answer would simply be "all of the above" (and we wouldn't have to put multiple entries of the same toy on, like, six or seven different characters' pages that would have to maintained equally across all of those pages). This model makes this particular version of the group feel inherently multiversal, with each member either originating from a different universe as each other, or being a multiversal hybrids comprised of different aspects of different versions of them from across the dimensions, as if Hasbro is trying to say that the AOTP versions represent *every* version of the Thirteen (minus Star Optimus, of course, since we know he's not a member in every version of this group). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:01, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::As somebody who's pushed for this split for a long time, I'm obviously all for it. I feel we can easily determine where the toys go based on their main inspirations (Fallen is G1 Dreamwave, Micronus is Aligned RID, etc) are or just make the links go to the G1 pages (since G1 is effectively the wastebasket taxon of this franchise anyway). For the FunPub stuff, we can either do it Sideways style or just do it like we do for Kre-O and ancillary stuff: place them based on the characterization/design used by the work. Multiversal Vector Prime is pretty much just Cybertron Vector Prime (and the TransTech incarnation from the last portion of AVP can be split out).
:::I am pretty much opposed to "subpages" because that is just duplicating the parentheses system we already have just for the sake of pedantry. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:03, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::Fully agree with both Escargon and Sabrblade, and their reasoning. I am biased against splits pretty much as a matter of cause, but the Thirteen ''in particular'' have for most of their history (including now, in the continuity-agnostic ''Age of the Primes!)'' been defined by their multiversal nature. I just don't think a split would be helpful. —[[User:The Wadapan|wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:05, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::So we need to wait five years of more non-multiversal stories to have this discussion again? That doesn't make sense. The COP version of the Thirteen weren't characterized as singularities in the first place, regardless; only FunPub cared about that aspect (and not even with the usual lineup we have now) and they tossed it because they realized it was an unworkable concept in this franchise and it's unlikely to ever get resurrected. It's been nearly a decade since the Shroud (the concept only existed from 2009-2015). You bring up AOTP but toylines clearly don't and never thought about those characters in terms of our organizational schema. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:19, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I think we can probably leave the most of the old content together, since it might be a mess to split them apart and much of that content is based on the Covenant mythos anyway. I feel new iterations of the Thirteen (post-POTP?) should get their own pages, like ''Earthspark'' Quintus and the ''One'' Primes (particularly Megatronus since he's quite different). Though I suppose that begs the question of what to use in the parentheses for their current pages... —[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 13:10, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::How much of it is actually sticking to the Covenant? IDW1 had them be regular guys and some pre-Covenant stuff (notably Megatronus/Fallen) is more prominent for the character and not really compatible. Other Aligned stuff has also influenced other "continuity families", but we're not merging those articles, so I don't really see why this is different regarding the Thirteen. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:49, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:I’m against splitting pages, mostly because The Thirteen haven’t had enough drastic and unique depictions of them to stop “breaking the rules” for them and give them split pages.
::> The Thirteen haven’t followed the traditional convention of “every character gets a new page for that universe’s depiction”, mostly because of the whole multiversal singularity issue. Now while that concept isn’t used in fiction anymore, ''Age of the Primes'' seems to lean towards having a standard, continuity-agnostic depiction of the Thirteen from which future teams can use as the foundation of their depictions.
::> Escargon and Sabrblade make some good points regarding subpages, particularly with the example of the standard '''“Primus = God”''' and '''Rung (G1)''' incarnations. Rung is a distinct and unique take on the Primus character whose backstory is incompatible with virtually every other Primus incarnation, so placing him on the same page as the Primus of the Marvel Comics, or Cybertron, or the Aligned continuity, wouldn’t seem right.
::> ''The Covenant of Primus'' has been the foundation of every depiction of the Thirteen since it was released. Certain things might be modified, such as the 2005 IDW’s take on them, but even those Primes still follow certain story beats: Megatronus kills Solus, Liege Maximo is a manipulator, Prima’s role as the leader and his conflict with Megatronus, etc. ''One'' offers a depiction of the Thirteen who don’t enter a War of the Primes situation, but because we don’t really get any more information about them besides how they died, I wouldn’t say that they’re distinct enough or important enough to warrant their own pages.
::> Then there’s the fact that a lot of the Primes either have had very small roles or haven’t had any real importance to the franchise in several years: '''Micronus'''’s last big role was a few episodes in ''Robots in Disguise'' and a clever tie-in to the Microspace of the 2005 IDW universe. '''Onyx'''’s only big role was in the ''Covenant'', mostly thanks to '''[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|this guy]]''' taking his place in another universe. Onyx has a few mentions in ''Cyberverse'', but I don’t think that alone should be the reason for splitting his page up. '''Nexus Prime''' and '''Vector Prime''' haven’t really done anything notable since the Shroud. '''Solus Prime''' has seen some prominence thanks to IDW's Caminus and ''Power of the Primes'', but those depictions again don’t stray too far from the ''Covenant''. '''Amalgamous Prime''' has had virtually no exploration as a character. The most we’ve gotten for him is a much easier-to-look-at design in ''One''.
::> Character-wise, story-wise… they’re all still heavily based on the ''Covenant''. Even '''Quintus Prime'''’s ''Earthspark'' depiction (with his more human-looking face) is based on his “Johnny Appleseed, made the Quintessons” lore established from the ''Covenant''. Now if we had a full group of the Thirteen from a Shattered Glass universe or had some “What-If?” incarnations of the characters that made them very different… splitting pages would make more sense to me.
::> A lot of the Thirteen have also maintained a consistent visual look to them since their introduction: all the Primes introduced in the Covenant have kept their look (Alchemist’s Lenses, Onyx’s face, Solus’ hair and color scheme), and every version of Megatronus seems to have a Decepticon insignia face, flames, and/or both. While ''One'' may have changed some color schemes (Liege Maximo missing his green), I don’t think just having a different color scheme and nothing else different warrants a new page.
::> I like the idea of conceptual history sections for now, and as I said on ''The Fallen''’s talk page, I think the beginning to his page needs a general rewrite from its “frozen in 2009” version. But until drastic new interpretations of those characters are created, if a member of the Thirteen has a single page… we should keep it as a single page --[[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (EST)
: Splitting them would simply be a bigger headache. They're rather like Primus and Unicron where they're "bigger picture" characters (only this time around designed ''very specifically'' to '''''be''''' as such) and it's best to treat them as such, and really, there's not enough material to BOTHER splitting for most of them. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::Since it's related to this subject, it should probably also be mentioned here that there have recently been two discussions happening on the talk page for [[The Fallen]]. One about changing that article's mainpic and the other about moving the page's name to Megatronus. As of now, nothing has come out of either discussion, but I feel the results of this a bigger discussion may have an effect on either of those two smaller ones. Speaking as one who is in favor of not splitting out the Thirteen, my thoughts on these two smaller topics are that a good compromise would be to keep the article at its current name since many Megatronuses still become The Fallen, but replace the mainpic with The Fallen's Age of the Primes toy packaging art (as it depicts him in his original first body from Dreamwave but armed with his now-signature weapons from Aligned media, serving as a sort of visual overview for the character's history), along with a rewrite of his intro at the top of the page to be more all-encompassing, and the inclusion of a new "Conceptual history" section to give a proper overview of his different depictions. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:29, 7 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm going to second this. I've mulled it over a little bit and while there is an argument to be made for splitting them out, I feel that 12 of the 13 primes really don't warrant it. They just haven't had as much an impact on the story and while it could be future proofing to split them, until we get prominent appearances from them I don't think it's a viable option right now. Megatronus is clearly the exception to this rule. I don't know if there's a clean solution to dealing with him at the moment. Part of me thinks maybe we should suite out the Movie and RiD versions since those are his too big appearences to date. At the bare minimum though I think we should use either his Dreamwave or Age of Primes art as the mainpic. It's his first body and I think it's influenced more designs than his RoTF design has. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 22:57, 7 December 2024 (EST)
::::Erm, no. Neither his Movie or RiD sections (certainly not the latter) are big enough to warrant subpages for either. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:57, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:::I'm also of the opinion that a split would be a massive hassle for very little gain, but I do feel we should move The Fallen to Megatronus. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:54, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::To me, renaming the page to Megatronus feels like renaming an Optimus Prime page to Orion Pax. The name was created to tell us what he was called ''before'' he became The Fallen, like how Orion Pax was what Optimus was called before he became Optimus Prime. TF One Megatronus never became The Fallen but he's an anomaly, not a new standard. As of now, the only impact TF One Megatronus has had on the brand is the official reveal video for Age of the Primes describing the very Dreamwave/Aligned-based AOTP version as "the most powerful Prime," while also putting a grim, pronounced emphasis on "The Fallen" when referring to him as "Megatronus... The Fallen". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:16, 8 December 2024 (EST)
::::: '''Yes''' to changing The Fallen's mainpic back to the DW-style character design, huge-ass '''No''' to changing the page name; the Optimus/Orion comparison is spot-on. (And as to below... yes. The Thirteen are absolutely "set dressing that walks like a man" and best to approach them as such.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:11, 8 December 2024 (EST)

:After meditating upon this a while I think I've come to agree with the broad majority above that splitting each member of the Thirteen would hurt more than it would help. The way I see it what we should be striving for here is the approach that involves the least "hallucinating data" within our organizational system, and splitting will require making a lot of different calls on what "counts" to formulate micro-characterizations for dozens of serial continuity transplants, none of which do much individually, while obfuscating the larger context they are gesturing towards. Fundamentally what we may be running up against here is that the closest most of these guys have to a true "home continuity" as we typically think of it is... the brand bible. They are set dressing that walks like a man.

:To go one step further, if we want to talk future-proofing I would advocate formalizing the approach of treating them as a squad of mini-Unicrons/Primuses such that:

::1) My suggestion for the issues currently plaguing the Fallen (and to a lesser degree Trion) would be to make "Conceptual History" sections more or less standard issue across the board for the Thirteen, laying out swerves in characterization and appearance as they happened rather than trying to pry them apart ''or'' smoosh them together.

::2) I think it's worth revisiting merging Alpha Trion for consistency. In the decade+ since Prime cludged him into the lineup, Alpha Trion has consistently appeared as a member of the Thirteen, an insubstantial cameo, or both in pretty much every continuity he's appeared, and looking backwards I cannot help but notice that the fact that there's next to no meaningful daylight between his depictions has been the running gag of his [[Alpha Trion|disambiguation page]] since day one. If Shattered Glass remains a sticking point the Unicron/Primus style suite split approach is a reasonable compromise.

:I wouldn't say I'm married to any of this and counter-counter-proposals are welcome, but that's my two cents. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (EST)
:I think just put a line at the end of the fallens intro article that says "while mostly a bad guy, there exists at least one universe (link to TF one section) where he's managed to defy all logic and be...good for once).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:53, 8 December 2024 (EST)

I'm for splitting the Thirteen, for the same reasons Saix gave. If that doesn't work, I think the versions of Alpha Trion should be merged. It's the inconsistency that drives me batty. [[User:Boingus|--Boingus]] ([[User talk:Boingus|talk]]) 22:12, 8 December 2024 (EST)

===Checkpoint? (01/18/2025)===
This topic seems to have gotten as much interaction as it's going to get, so to take stock before it falls off the agenda completely:

:*'''Votes for splitting the Thirteen across the board:''' 4 (Locoman, Saix, BlueJayWarrior, Boingus)
:*'''Votes against:''' 8 (Escargon, Sabrblade, Wadapan, Daytonjhammon, M Sipher, Exim93, Dark T Zeratul, AzimuthAcolyte)

That seems like a pretty resounding 2:1 "no," but the discussion also generated some possible compromises/suggestions for future-proofing:

:*'''Votes for more widespread use of "Conceptual History" sections:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Daytonjhammon, AzimuthAcolyte)
:*'''Votes to merge Alpha Trion (with potential SG suite) for consistency:''' 3 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus)

Lastly it generated some cross-bleed from the debates on [[Talk:The Fallen|The Fallen's talk page]] about some updates now that we're 16 years out from his [[live-action film series]] star turn:

1) Moving the page to "Megatronus":
:*'''For:''' 1 (Dark T Zeratul)
:*'''Against:''' 2 (Sabrblade, M Sipher)

2) Swapping back to a Dreamwave-style mainpic:
:*'''For:''' 3 (Sabrblade, Ezim93, M Sipher)

If anyone wants to try to resuscitate the mega-split speak now. If not, thoughts on the compromise proposals?

The Fallen discussion should probably return to his own page. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 13:33, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:My stances remain unchanged on all of the above. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:55, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'd be fine with splitting, but if we don't, we ''absolutely'' need to merge the Alpha Trions. There's no good justification for the others being together and him being split.
::As for the Fallen... I feel the need to point out that it's not ''just'' One Megatronus that didn't use the name. EVERY toyline and piece of media in the last decade — RID15, the Prime Wars cartoons, the POTP toy, the offhand mentions in Cyberverse — have used "Megatronus", completely dropping the idea that he stopped being Megatronus and became the Fallen. It's evidently how Hasbro thinks of the character; the Studio Series toy provides plenty of evidence that they ''could'' have just called the AOTP toy "The Fallen" if they'd wanted to. -[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 15:51, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I am also pro-merging Alpha Trions with a SG subpage along the lines of what we do for Primus and Unicron. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:11, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I disagree that we need to put SG Trion on a separate page. Just have his Shattered Glass section open with "In the mirror universe of Shattered Glass, Alpha Trion was..." --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:58, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::::I'm pro merging Alpha Trion as well and adding conceptual history. Fallen/Megatronus discussion I'm good with taking back to his page. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 16:20, 18 January 2025 (EST)

:Here's my 5 cents. We are under no obligation to be consistent with how we treat the members of the Thirteen. If it makes sense for the characters, we can have Alpha Trions on separate pages because he has a long rich history of appearances in wide and varied media, including media in which he is not a member of the Thirteen, and we can also have Amalgamous Prime on one page because he doesn't. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:48, 18 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm in agreement with this. "Consistency" is nice until it isn't, and merging Alpha's pages... isn't. I feel like that's just gonna result in a clusterfuck. "Conceptual history" is fine to add, but frankly I feel like only like... maybe only a third of the 13 would even ''need'' it. There's really not a lot to most of these. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:07, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::I'm curious what would be the negative result of merging Alpha Trion's pages. The thing is that they ''are'' basically all identical barring the Shattered Glass version, and even that one is functionally the same guy, just evil. RID01, Energon, Animated and ROTF Alpha Trion are all footnotes, which just leaves us with G1 Trion (sometimes of the Thirteen), Aligned Trion (of the Thirteen), Cyberverse Trion (of the Thirteen) and One Trion (of the Thirteen). Is there some complicating factor that I'm missing...? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:38, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:::: Honestly, I think this just sold me on the idea of merging all the Alpha Trion pages, including the Shattered Glass version, into one page. A Conceptual History section could explain his development from sage to member of the Thirteen, with a paragraph about his Shattered Glass version. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 00:02, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:::::As I stated above, I used to be firmly against the idea of the Alpha Trions being merged, because of the facts that he wasn't originally supposed to be one of the Thirteen (a ship that has long since sailed), he was never a singularity like the other 13ers were (which no longer matters at all now since that concept was done away with), and he has a Shattered Glass version (but so too do Primus and Unicron, now, and their pages have set a good workable precedent for how to deal with SG versions of "set dressing characters" like them and the Thirteen). But now, as time goes on, the more it begins to feel like we're just keeping the Alpha Trions separate for more pedantic reasons than are necessary, especially since the AOTP toyline looks to be drawing influence from all continuities for its specific roster of the Thirteen, as if to say that the AOTP toys of the Thirteen represent *all* versions of the Thirteen (meaning AOTP Alpha Trion will represent *all* Alpha Trions).
:::::Sipher mentioned that conceptual history sections would only benefit a small number of the Thirteen, and, well, yes, that is a true statement. But the idea wouldn't be to give ''all'' of the Thirteen conceptual history sections, just the few that would need it. And a merged. But there being only a few that would need it no less diminishes the need of those few.
:::::However, I definitely draw the line at putting SG characters on the same webpages as their non-SG counterparts, as I go back to [https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Transformers:_Shattered_Glass_(franchise)#Separate_Continuity.3Fthe original discussion about that very subject] and all the reasons given there (particularly from Steve-o, whom I already quoted above) for why SG characters should '''not''' share a webpage with their non-SG counterparts. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:47, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::::I feel like "they're all basically the same" is a charge that can be leveled at a lot of characters who are present in multiple continuity families. I'm all in favour of keeping non-entities to one page each, but Alpha Trion meets the threshold for actually having enough detail to have separate articles. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:32, 19 January 2025 (EST)
:My votes: No to splitting the 13 articles, yes for conceptual history, no to merging Trion (maybe expanding his disambig a la Sideways'?), no to moving the Fallen, maybe to changing his mainpic (compare to UT or Aligned characteers with major body changes - UT generally sticks with the Armada bodies, but Aligned favours Prime bodies over WFC). [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2025 (EST)
:I also think that it wouldn´t be appropriate to separate the pages of the thirteen and that the articles about Alpha Trion should be merged, after he become one of the 13 he has been mostly the same across all media. --[[User:MikeOsix|MikeOsix]] ([[User_talk:MikeOsix|talk]]) 20:57, 18 January 2024 (EST)
My vote is that we should keep Prime pages *mostly* non-split- I do, however, think there is merit to a "Conceptual History" part, going over different variations of the characters over the Years. I originally wanted Alpha's pages to be kept apart- but after some talking, I figure it's best for him to also enjoy a conceptual history rather than a disambiguation page. (I still love Disambiguation pages though.)
On The Fallen's page getting a Dreamwave-style picture: I give it a hard thumbs up. That seems to be the design Hasbro is sticking with compared to the skeleton-furnace guy from the movies. -- [[User:OptiMay Primal|OptiMay Primal]] ([[User talk: BattleBlade|talk]]) 21:54, 18 January 2024 (PST)
:I cannot see any benefit to smushing all of the Alpha Trion articles together. Every time this happens, we get a lengthy, unfocused mess of a page that wards off attempts at maintenance because it's so large. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:16, 19 January 2025 (EST)
::I'm personally against merging all the Trions, but I could be convinced if someone sandboxes a merged page first as a proof of concept. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:59, 24 January 2025 (EST)
At Cyberlink's suggestion, I've slapped together a rough prototype of a merged Alpha Trion suite broadly mirroring the Fallen's setup that can be seen–
:*'''[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''
Intro etc not final, of course. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:27, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:I like this. It's no longer or less focused than [[Unicron]], for example. I'm still kind of dubious about the need to exclude Shattered Glass versions from these cross-continuity characters, but at least SG Trion is more substantial than SG Unicron. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:31, 24 January 2025 (EST)
:Posting to confirm I'm in favor of this. [[User:Ezim93|Ezim93]] ([[User talk:Ezim93|talk]]) 12:49, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Yeah I like it too, when so many of his incarnations are so similar the unified article feels more user friendly [[User:LenaPrime|LenaPrime]] ([[User talk:LenaPrime|talk]]) 12:57, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Adding that I think this works pretty well. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 18:42, 25 January 2025 (EST)
:Thought I'd stick my two cents in. I think this would work. If Unicron can have a merged page like this, then it should certainly work for Trion. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 23:44, 25 January 2025 (EST)
I've also started working on prototypes of rewrites / updates to Prima and The Fallen's pages, which can be seen...
:*'''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/Prima|HERE for Prima]]''' and '''[[User:Daytonjhammon/Sandbox/The Fallen|HERE for The Fallen]]'''.
Discussion for The Fallen should probably stay on his [[Talk:The Fallen|own talk page]], but I'm linking them here since both have "conceptual history" sections I've drafted up. [[User:Daytonjhammon|Daytonjhammon]] ([[User talk:Daytonjhammon|talk]]) 13:50, 26 January 2025 (EST)

===Checkpoint 2 (05/05/2025)===
This definitely fell way off the agenda but there was sufficient interest that I believe it is worth circling back. Following Dayton's excellent work on Prima and the Fallen's Conceptual History section going live, the final point of order remains the prospect of merging Alpha Trion (with SG suite) to reflect his Aligned-forward characterization and bring him in line with the other 12 + 2 (Thirteen, Primus, Unicron) "man-shaped set dressing" characters.

Again, a full mock-up of this concept can be seen-

:*'''[[User:AzimuthAcolyte/Sandbox/Alpha Trion|HERE]]'''

The current tally stands at:

:*'''Votes for merging Alpha Trion into one cross-continuity article with SG sub-page:''' 12 (Sabrblade, AzimuthAcolyte, Boingus, Broadside, Escargon, Ezim93, Daytonjhammon, MikeOsix, OptiMay Primal, LenaPrime, IGEBM13, Hilfam)
:*'''Votes against:''' 5 (abates, M Sipher, BattleBlade, Saix, Cyberlink420)

That's overwhelming support a ways past 2:1. Does anyone care to answer a last call for comment?

Suggestions or concerns for the prototype are particularly welcome. For my part I would appreciate assistance drafting a Conceptual History section. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 14:18, 5 May 2025 (EDT)
: Chipping in to reiterate that I'm in favour, though I'm unconvinced that the SG subpage is necessary. I do recognise that it's in line with how we currently treat Unicron, but like... is there anything we gain from having it be a separate page that we couldn't get from just putting "in one mirror universe, alpha trion was a real sicko!" at the top of the section? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 18:20, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
::On principle alone, I'm against putting SG characters on the same pages as their non-SG counterparts, no matter what. The day we make such allowance for just one of them is the day we open the floodgates for potentially doing that for any and all SG characters. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 19:54, 6 May 2025 (EDT)
:::The (SG) system is simple. What exactly does messing with it accomplish? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:28, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::See, my understanding was not that SG characters are "special exceptions", it's that we treat Shattered Glass as its own continuity family (and likewise SG Animated, et al). It's not "messing with" the system to put the SG version of a character on a cross-continuity family page for that character. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:53, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::It's messing with what Thylacine mentions for the sake of insisting on making categorization exceptions for the Thirteen. It's not useful to either editor or reader, especially if we're going to do the pointless lateral move that is "/Shattered Glass" anyway. (SG) is straightforward and easy to parse as opposed to "here's the explicitly negative AU guy buried here because arbitrary wiki reasons". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:42, 13 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Looks like it doesn't matter anymore, but the difference between SG and non-SG material - the whole fact that SG exists to be an irreconcilable opposite to G1 - is more fundamental and important than the sum total of all appearances and history of at least 10 of the 13. We should not be wiping away important conceptual distinctions for the sake of unimportant asterisk characters who basically only ever existed in a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:59, 13 May 2025 (EDT)

== International Sightings ==

So, as of late, mentions of "toy appeared in (non-US country) without prior announcement" type lines have been getting purged from the wiki. This makes me wonder: am I allowed to even mention them anymore when a new toy appears somewhere? I'm not really sure why these relatively harmless information lines are getting removed, nor am I really a fan of it, but if I can't mention them anymore I will happily oblige.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (EST)
:They're being removed because "toy first showed up at a random store in Asia" is not useful information. That's how toy retail has worked for decades. Hasbro deigning to announce some product doesn't make it the standard. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:57, 7 January 2025 (EST)
::Oh, ok, I'll keep that in mind from now on.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 23:11, 7 January 2025 (EST)

==First revealed at (some regular online update)==
On a similar note to the international sightings, what do people think of "toy was first revealed in Hasbro Instagram post / Fans First Friday / Pulse livestream of whatever date," etc.? We note this constantly, because it's another fact to include about a just-announced toy nobody owns yet. A year later it looks unimportant. Is this something we like and value, or more of a space-filing habit? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:34, 8 January 2025 (EST)
:I think it's a lot of blather, but at least it's documenting Hasbro marketing as opposed to random retail appearances. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:25, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: I'm lukewarm at best on 'em. But often these announcements are followed up almost immediately by pre-orders opening up through official channels, and that feels a bit more... noteworthy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:31, 8 January 2025 (EST)
: Seems pretty relevant to me! There's value in preserving a toy's history, after all. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:14, 6 April 2025 (EDT))

==Update Navigation==
Should the Navigation sidebar be changed to replace [[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]] with [[Transformers: Age of the Primes|Age of the Primes]] or should we wait a bit?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 20:49, 2 February 2025 (EST)
:Good question. I think we could change it now since almost all of wave 1 is out at retail over in Asia, but I’ll wait for someone higher than me to make the final decision lol - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 23:10, 5 February 2025 (EST)

==Adding a "Transformers in [Country name]" section to country articles==
So, by some weird coincidence, a lot of my edits in these past months have involved expanding on the quirks of how individual aspects of the Transformers brand were represented in countries like [[Brazil]], [[Argentina]], [[Greece]], and [[Portugal]] - however; something that I've noticed is that there's usually no comprehensive summary of this information in the actual pages we have for those countries, with most or all of it being restricted to the individual articles regarding those things instead (for instance; Argentina had a whole three companies that produced Transformers toys with [[Antex]], [[Comando Toys]], and [[Lynsa]], but none of them are even mentioned in Argentina's page!). As such, and in the spirit of making our wiki more international, I propose that we add a small section to every country page specifically regarding the presence of the Transformers brand within it.

Some information that could go into these sections, if available (naturally, not ''everything'' here needs to be mentioned):
* When Transformers media first premiered in the country
* When Transformers toys first released in the country
* Previous releases of [[pre-Transformers]] in the country, if any (e.g.; Italy's ''Trasformer'', the UK's ''Convertors'', Finland's ''Diaclone'', etc.)
* Brands that might have made toys or merchandise for Transformers in the country, if any (e.g.; [[Estrela]] in Brazil, [[IGA]] in Mexico, [[GiG]] in Italy, [[El Greco]] in Greece, etc.)
* Notable figures, variants, and/or entire toylines that are exclusive to the country, if any (obviously, a fully comprehensive list would be difficult for a country like Japan, but it seems feasible for others here.)
* Transformers media that's unique to the country, if any (again; it would be hard to form a comprehensive list for Japan or the US, but it might not be too difficult elsewhere.)
* Peculiar quirks and factoids regarding the distribution of Transformers toys in the country, if any (e.g.; Galaxy Shuttle releasing in Italy, Star Saber releasing in Portugal, Spain's translated G1 blister cards, [[Sonokong]]'s many odd releases of Transformers toys in South Korea, etc.)
* Transformers-connected artists that were born in the country (e.g.; Brazil's [[Marcelo Matere]], Spain's [[José Avilés]], etc.)
* Perhaps some notable aspects of the fandom in the country (e.g., fan organizations, conventions - whether they're [[Conventions|official]] or [[Unofficial conventions|unofficial]] - etc.)

Editing these sections could also make for a pretty fun multinational effort: certainly, Transformers fans from all over the world have pretty unique knowledge about the brand in their regions that's undocumented until now, and it would be pretty cool for them to visit the pages for their respective countries and see a section that basically invites them to add that knowledge. If this idea seems acceptable then I would be happy to move ahead with introducing the section to some of the countries that I'm most familiar with (mostly in Europe and Latin America) - let me know what everyone else thinks! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 10:07, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:I like this idea! I think it’ll be really helpful for both readers and the site’s general organization to have information about international Transformers products and media on their respective countries’ pages. I’m not too well-versed in the foreign aspects of the brand outside of Japan, but I do know one piece of information we can add to Russia’s page is that ''Masterforce'' was the first show to air there :D - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 10:47, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
::I had no idea about that, how interesting! Hopefully more people can give the go-ahead to this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:04, 6 April 2025 (EDT))
:::This strikes me as a proposal with a lot potential if we can get enough manpower behind it. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 17:00, 6 April 2025 (EDT)
:I've made versions of this proposed section for the Portugal, Spain, and Brazil pages, and posted them on [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|my sandbox]]. Any thoughts would be welcome! Also, shouldn't we maybe add the country flags to their respective pages? The Wikipedia SVGs are on public domain, so I guess we could just import those. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:43, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
::I like the way these early write-ups look, it could prove very interesting. Though we should only add the country flags if they appeared in fiction, as we do with the [[Soviet Union]] or [[United States of America]]. Otherwise it's just not important. Every country has a flag, you don't need to come ''here'' to look at them or find out their capital cities, populations, national birds, etc. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:01, 7 April 2025 (EDT)
:::I mean, if we're also to discuss the "meta" details of Transformers in the country - meaning that the pages are no longer restricted to just fiction - then I think it makes sense to at least have a country flag up on the opening paragraph, no? I'm not saying we need to add an Wikipedia-like infobox with the capital and population count and whatever else, but if we also have stuff like logos for companies in their respective pages then it makes sense to at least have what's basically the largest and most important international identifier that a country has attached to a page about it. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:29, 7 April 2025 (EDT))
:Given how there seem to be no objections to this project, I hope that it's fine to begin adding these sections to their respective pages during this weekend. I have added entries for Argentina, Italy, and Greece [[User:FortressMaxxing/Sandbox|to my sandbox]], so, together with the other three I previously shared; that will be six "The Transformers franchise in X country" sections coming from me - hopefully others will also be interested in adding similar sections to the pages of whatever countries they're most familiar with! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:37, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::I think the names could be simplified to "Transformers in X". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:51, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::That was actually close to the previous name I had in this topic ("The Transformers in X") before renaming it because I thought it could be a little ambiguous, haha - but actually, I think you're right, "Transformers in Brazil" / "Transformers in Greece" / etc. does sound better and I guess all the ambiguities are kinda cleared up in context of the contents of the sections themselves! "Transformers in X" it shall be then, I've now again renamed this topic accordingly. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:06, 11 April 2025 (EDT))
::::Yeah, it could be an ambiguous statement by itself, but we're not making "Transformers in Brazil" for all the fictional times Transformers characters appeared in Brazil because that's already covered by [[Brazil]] itself. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:29, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ayo, I posted the first batch of "Transformers in X" sections a few days ago in the [[Portugal]], [[Spain]], [[Italy]], [[Greece]], [[Brazil]], and [[Argentina]] pages! There are still way more countries that need a similar level of development and since I won't be able to do all of them alone, I wanted to highlight at least the most important ones in the hopes that maybe other users will have an interest in working on them. So, here are '''the pages that most urgently need a "Transformers in X" section''' (plus '''some of the things they should mention'''):

* [[Japan]], obviously: The birth of the transforming robot as a Japanese cultural product (see [[Yonezawa Toys|Yonezawa]] and some of the later transforming robot toys leading up to Takara's Cosmo Countach and eventually the Diaclone Car Robots), the country's transition from Diaclone to Transformers, the introduction of the original show to Japan, a brief mention of the original media and toylines that were only released there, an assessment of the popularity of the franchise in Japan relative to other 'giant robot'-centric media like Gundam and NGE (Also, I've noticed that there is already a small "non-fiction" section that briefly touches on the importance of Japan to the Transformers: it could be used as a starting basis, and I guess that it also suggests someone already had the idea for a similar wiki-project!)
* The [[United States]], also quite obviously: Brief summarization of the birth and sustained popularity of the Transformers brand in America, the most prominent retail exclusives that were only launched in U.S. stores, BotCon and all the other big fan conventions
* [[United Kingdom]]: Received a pair of pre-Transformers toylines with the Grandstand Convertors and Tandy's Galactic Man, the UK Marvel Transformers comic, large conventions like TFNation and TFUKcon
* [[France]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with [[Joustra|Ceji / Joustra]] releasing Diaclone, Orli Jouet's Robotrack, later Joustra-made G1 Transformers toys, original cartoon had a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itPo0Q9zmrc|a pretty funky unique theme song], major national toy company [[Majorette]] would briefly become a Transformers licensee in the 2000s
* [[Finland]]: Received a pre-Transformers toyline with Takara directly releasing Diaclone, "black Tracks" was unique to it (and later homaged with [[Loudpedal]])
* [[China]]: Hasbro factories, the Chinese G1 reissue toyline, the commercial success of Age of Extinction and how it brought about a sharp rise in the popularity of Transformers across the country, [[Nezha: Transformers (franchise)|Nezha]]
* [[South Korea]]: The unusual line-ups of [[Young Toys]] and [[Sonokong]], the mystery of [[ToonTown]]
* [[Mexico]]: [[IGA]] and their unique variants of G1 figures
* [[Venezuela]] (which somehow doesn't exist yet despite [[Transformers Comic-Magazin issue 17|already having an in-fiction mention]]?): [[Rubiplas]] made some unique Mini-Vehicles
* [[Peru]] and [[Chile]]: [[Lynsa]] released multiple unique Mini-Vehicles in both countries

:On an unrelated note, check out these fancy new GoBoxes down below! If anyone wants to do more in this style (quirky collage of country flag, plus national iconography, plus a Transformer toy that's emblematic of that specific country in some way) then that'd be pretty sweet! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:47, 16 April 2025 (EDT))
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::Hey, I noticed that a lot of your claims aren't really sourced, it would be nice if you could cite your sources for us. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:01, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
:::For sure! A lot of what's been added to these pages isn't cited because it is already discussed at greater length in their respective articles (and usually cited in said articles) - nonetheless; I will go ahead and add a more extensive round of sources soon. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:54, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::: Great! Remember to post about that here when it happens. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:45, 21 April 2025 (EDT)
::::: All done, I've provided as many citations for whatever information's more obscure or not as well-documented in the English web as I could! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:21, 21 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::: Thank you! I appreciate it, though I have noticed that your source about Portuguese people seeing Star Convoy on retail is only available to members of the Facebook group. I understand that information for things like this is hard to come by so if can't change it it's alright but it would be great if you could list a publicly available source instead. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 08:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Oops, I didn't realize that Transformers Portugal was private on Facebook - but let this not be a problem, because I've just added a translated screenshot to that citation instead! Although I must also add that, unfortunately, I don't know how to really cite the later portion of that trivia - that Star Convoy is also really common on the Portuguese secondary market - because this is basically the product of my own personal experience of living in Portugal and seeing at least four loose Star Convoys on the Portuguese secondary market in the past couple of years across various occasions, all of them being the original version with the white trailer rather than the later reissue (thus suggesting that they come from the aforementioned retail distribution), and all of them being sold for really cheap prices rounding just ~20-40 euros from people who clearly did not know about this being an unusual toy (I got one myself one circa ~2022!). It's just that I frankly didn't know how to cite this in the page (Would "[[User:FortressMaxxing|This editor]] can attest to seeing an inordinate amount of Portuguese Star Convoy copies on the secondary market" be too anecdotal of a reference to have?), so... There's that. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:04, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:::::::: Don't worry, the fist citation should be enough, now's the time to move on to the rest of the countries. I'm a bit busy at the moment but I might be able to take on the UK write up. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 13:53, 22 April 2025 (EDT)
::::::::: Sweet, I'll be excited to see what you write up! Tell us here when you do :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 13:58, 22 April 2025 (EDT))
:I made a first draft of the UK write-up at my sandbox [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]. It is not at all done I'm passing this through the people to make sure I didn't get anything wrong, and to hear out any suggestions. Also I didn't mention the Tandy's Galactic Man figure because it doesn't seem to be exclusive to to the UK. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:14, 26 April 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, it's good, short but very well-cited! I do think Galactic Man merits at least a brief one-line mention since apparently the UK was the only other territory beyond the U.S. where it was released in (and also the UK Galactic Man might be slightly different, per how the pre-TF page describes him as [[Pre-Transformers#Pre-Transformers lines|"''almost'' identical"]]?), but otherwise, I have no disagreement with the information presented here. Very curious to see how you're gonna expand on that draft! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 18:46, 27 April 2025 (EDT))
:::Okay, I did a bit of research and according to the [https://astromagnum.blogspot.com/2024/04/galactic-man-tandy-radio-shack-shackwave.html Astro Magnum] blog the Tandy version of Galactic Man has slightly different packaging, different stickers, and is made of materials more resistant to the yellowing prevalent in the Radio Shack versions of the toy. I'll be sure to edit the draft when I have time. Also, I found about an [https://batterseapowerstation.co.uk/retailers/transformers/ official transformers store] at the Battersea power station which I plan on incorporating at some point. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 11:49, 28 April 2025 (EDT)
:Ooohh, here's a pretty cool thing that I found out which definitely should be added to the Peru page: there's a mall [https://www.facebook.com/MuseoTF with a Transformers toy museum within it], and apparently it's been in operation since 2020! It even features a display specifically for [https://scontent.flis9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483676983_1040341464571272_305592738604936521_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=OsCqdAxWZTQQ7kNvwGe1-WQ&_nc_oc=Adn6enKyI9P6hsp1VO2t492l7iu8t1CtWQCm3bbMYXOemGAOpKTj-0fB96Co-Jhqnm4&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent.flis9-1.fna&_nc_gid=0aKRlr6ClLSdhzhjlFM8cA&oh=00_AfFq1ClChLr67ItyZAhHBe0MPRKxcrRFUfQLY48v0THRPA&oe=68149CCC Transformers stuff made in Peru], which I think would be a great photographic addition to the article :) ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 20:36, 27 April 2025 (EDT))

:I've finally expanded my write-up (link [[User:Wildstrike/Sandbox/United_Kingdom|here]]), and would like to receive comment on it if possible. As for the ''Transformers'' store I mentioned above, I'm not quite sure how to incorporate it into the rest of the article and am debating just leaving it in the notes section. [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 12:06, 30 May 2025 (EDT)
::Hey, sorry for taking so long to review it but it's good! I think the Transformers store can be added as its own small (even if one-line) paragraph in the section, no need to throw it all the way down to notes when it's a definitely pretty relevant to the history of Transformers in the UK. Regardless, I'd say it's time to go live with that section! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 00:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT))
:::It's finally live baby! As you may have noticed, I decided to expand the section a little bit more and mention some of the other British people that have worked on Transformers over the years as well as [[BotCon Europe 1999]], I hope you're happy with all the changes. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 15:05, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Size of this page ==

Could someone archive the last year on this page? It's getting ridiculously long and is hard to scroll through. [[User:Hilfam|Hilfam]] ([[User talk:Hilfam|talk]]) 19:48, 15 April 2025 (EDT)
:Done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:25, 15 April 2025 (EDT)

== ToonTown / Korean Transformers that might or might not be bootlegs ==
Hey, so... What do we do about [https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136?lang=ar this], and [https://lmb3.net/2024/12/29/blog-2500-toy-review-transformers-korean-modified-optimus-prime/ this], and [https://tformers.com/daily-prime-korean-generation-2-optimus-prime-gold-watch/43599/news.html this], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYJ8Nev7DGo this]? It basically seems like there's a massive ambiguity as to whether or not these toys are bootlegs, and while at least one of them (see the recently-edited "Globo" section on the [[knockoff]] page) has distinct bootleg origins, it's also worth remembering that there is [[Radio AM Robot|at least one known case of a bootleg being later rebranded into an official Transformers toy]], so... Maybe this is not much of an indicator?

In the replies to that first tweet, there's a person who says that "[https://x.com/tfwiki/status/1036114311142363136/ Hasbro's legal stance is that if it has their copyright on the box, it is an official product. This is what they've told me in the past when inquiring about other products]". Assuming that this is the case, and given that all of these have a Hasbro copyright on their packaging despite how genuinely weird they are, should we add them to their respective character pages, as well as maybe creating a separate page for ToonTown as a Transformers-associated company? The [[Soundwave (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Soundwave]] and [[Starscream (G1)/merchandise#Transformers Gum|Starscream]] ''Transformers Gum'' tabs already mention their ToonTown releases, so it seems like it kind of follows to add the others, no? I've left them a mention on the knockoff page as of now, but it would be good to get a final decision as to where exactly they should stay on this wiki. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 21:58, 19 April 2025 (EDT))
:Decades ago, [[Raksha]] wrote that the Toon Town stuff had been released in both South Korea and Taiwan (https://web.archive.org/web/20080917123934fw_/http://www.plumed-serpent.com/swartifacts.html). Added to what you wrote above, I believe that is the sum of all the knowledge we have on the issue, so it would be hard to write an article about it. I agree that since we have the Soundwave and Starscream stuff, the other confirmed releases are fair game to include too. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:18, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::Here's another one, this time not saying Toon Town, still showing the "real" logos and symbols, and said by its owner to be a knockoff: https://toy-wizards.com/2019/03/16/super-rare-korean-transformers-toys-at-tf-con-and-the-conspiracy-theory-behind-them/?amp I'm really drawing a blank on Toon Town and it is possible we will never get enough verified info to be worth an article here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:53, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::One more source for now: http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:57, 7 May 2025 (EDT)

::::Argh, another, and with even more links at the bottom, and were no closer to a conclusive truth. http://fredsworkshop.com/vkorea5.html --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:05, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::For what it's worth, I think it'd be good to have a page laying out the ambiguity of the matter, explaining what we know and how hard to verify it all is. Sorta like the [[unknown Generation 1 animation studios]]. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 19:35, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
:::::: Yeah, I'd agree with this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:45, 7 May 2025 (EDT)
::::::: Seconding this, it seems like we have more than enough to at least create an article about this weird company that explains the ambiguity. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 01:15, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:Alright, as per the above discussion, the [[ToonTown]] article is now up! I didn't go over every source mentioned here yet and therefore still haven't added every ToonTown-branded figure to it (and neither to the character pages, the currently existing wikilinks just to go their broader toy sections for now), but hopefully this is a good start. Would love to see your contributions to this page, if you have any to give! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:09, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Update, the remaining ToonTown toys and merchandise that I could find has also been added. Turn out to be a shorter affair than expected! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 09:53, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::Thank you for setting this up so quickly! I am doing my best to state very clearly that these might or might not be legit, that if they're knockoffs they aren't like your typical ones... The last thing I'd ever want would be for this wiki to give people the sense that fake stuff was real, but we can present the nebulous case and leave it to readers to judge. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:58, 8 May 2025 (EDT)
::::All good! This is just such an interesting case that it does really feel like it needs to be in the wiki insofar as we don't know whether or not they're fake. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 11:07, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::Hey, Google Lens led me to the discovery of another ToonTown oddity and I'd love some community help in finding out more about it before it's added into the article: [https://m.blog.naver.com/eoiipp/130144214329 This Optimus Prime model kit] doesn't appear to be based on any Kabaya / Transformers Gum kit that I know of (and the Transformers Gum section on the Optimus merchandise page says that his ToonTown kit comes as a pack-in with Starscream rather than being a standalone like this one), and in fact; he actually looks to be fairly sizable and complex compared to the usual Kabaya affair. On [https://m.totoy.com/product/%EB%AF%B8%EB%8B%B4%EC%82%B0%EC%97%85-%ED%8A%B8%EB%9E%9C%EC%8A%A4%ED%8F%AC%EB%A8%B8-g2-%EB%A1%9C%EB%B4%87-%ED%8A%B8%EB%A0%88%EC%9D%BC%EB%9F%AC-%EC%98%B5%ED%8B%B0%EB%A8%B8%EC%8A%A4-%ED%94%84%EB%9D%BC%EC%9E%84/5333/ this listing] for the same kit, you can zoom in and see what seems to be the usual ToonTown / 3D Licensing International markings, but most importantly; both of those links identify him as being made by a company called "Midam Industry" which even seems to have its own unique logo on the upper right corner of the toys (albeit it's pretty difficult to make out with how low-res all these pictures are), but that I can't find anything about them on the web. Does anyone know more about this Midam Industry Optimus, as well as maybe potentially being aware of other kits from the same series? Cheers! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 16:46, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
:::After searching for a little while, I believe that this is, in fact, the only Transformers kit released by Midam Industry (although it has a handful of variants!), thus; it - as well as a Midam Industry entry - has been added to their respective pages. I've taken the liberty to classify it as a toy rather than a piece of merchandise since it is, for the standards of a Transformers model kit, actually a fairly elaborate and fully-transforming model that doesn't really seem to count as "merchandise" in the same way that Transformers Gum stuff does (it doesn't even come with any food!) - hopefully others will be in agreement on this. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:16, 8 May 2025 (EDT))
::::And, just as I thought I was done with editing the ToonTown page for the day, I realized that the packaging for these kits advertises other kits, even though no pictures of those seem to be available. Aw well, duty calls... ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:31, 8 May 2025 (EDT))

== Proposing a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page ==
So the title is self-explanatory, but basically; I've noticed that our Generation 1 navbox is missing the many, many Latin American Transformers G1 toylines like those produced by [[Estrela]], [[Antex]], [[Lynsa]], [[IGA]], etc. Since there might be way too many for them to all to be individually listed in the navbox, and since we already have the "[[The Transformers (toyline)]]" (for the US toyline), "[[The Transformers (European toyline)]]", "[[Generation 1 (Japanese toyline)]]", and "[[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)]]" pages all on the navbox, shouldn't we also make a "The Transformers (Latin American toylines)" page where we list all of the known releases from the various Latin American toylines, with the eventual addition of some "Main article" tags for the manufacturers of each of those toylines? ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 19:49, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:I don't think the toyline or name was consistent across Latin America, so it would be more "Generation 1 toylines in Latin America"?
::That's fair, it is true that most of them removed the 'The' prefix and were usually just called ''Transformers''. Since we don't use the ''The Transformers'' name for the Japanese toyline page then it does make sense to also not use it in this instance. ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 22:33, 24 April 2025 (EDT))
:[[Generation 1 toylines in Latin America|Page has been made!]] ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 17:17, 25 April 2025 (EDT))

== Free Comic Book Day Worst Bot Ever preview ==

I know it’s standard procedure not to create articles for comic issues until the issue actually comes out, even if a small preview is officially released online. But I’m wondering if the Ballpoint preview issue should be an exception? It is just the online page preview Skybound put out a few months ago (I believe with a couple new pages), but since it is an officially released physical comic issue that new fans will be picking up and wanting to research, I figure there’s an argument to create the article now with what we know and simply update it when the graphic novel proper comes out. For now, the article would cover what’s in the FCBD issue, and when it comes out proper we’d add to/replace it with a full synopsis and include a note about how the first 16 pages were released on FCBD. Thoughts? [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 16:58, 3 May 2025 (EDT)

== Shattered Glass and cross-continuity-family pages ==

Felt like this was worth being discussed in its own section, so: at present, [[Unicron]], [[Primus]] and [[Alpha Trion]] all have dedicated "Shattered Glass" subpages suited out. They're unique in this respect; every other page for concepts that span multiple continuity families keep the Shattered Glass versions on the same page as everything else. A good example is [[Spark]]; even though Embers have a different name and are supposedly fundamentally different in the mirror universe, they still share a page. If we're going to treat Unicron, Primus and the Thirteen like cross-continuity concepts, rather than how we treat most characters, then I don't think we should make an exception to that for Shattered Glass.

To be clear, '''this is NOT proposing that we merge all Shattered Glass characters into their G1 counterparts'''. My position is that Shattered Glass is its own continuity family, and so we keep their pages separate, and I don't think there's something special about Shattered Glass that makes it an exception to what we're doing with the cross-continuity pages. Input would be appreciated. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:52, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: I agree. Especially because Primus and Unicron have about a paragraph's worth of information on them each. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 18:21, 14 May 2025 (EDT)
: SG is different enough that the character pages should be separated somehow. Otherwise it’d be jarring for those unfamiliar with SG to have the one batshit crazy evil Alpha Trion in and amongst all the nice ones. Personally, I’m on the same boat as Sabrblade back up in the Thirteen discussion from a few months ago. I think suite pages are a useful tool, not a necessary evil. It’s somewhat subjective, but I can see suite pages used in this way for other cross-continuity concepts where one universe diverges far enough from the norm. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:49, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
::Moreso than one crazy evil [[Star Saber (G1)|Star Saber]] in and among all the nice ones? I don't think you're giving readers enough credit, frankly. If we opened the section "In one mirror universe, Alpha Trion was not a kindly mentor, but a cruel manipulator" I don't think anyone would think twice. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 22:25, 15 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Touché. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 16 May 2025 (EDT)
:I was waiting to weigh in until the Alpha Trion merge was fully complete, but I now feel comfortable saying this strikes me as basically reasonable, both conceptually and in terms of the small volume of material involved. The Fallen's [[The Fallen#Shattered Glass|''Shattered Glass'' content]] is already folded into his main page by necessity, after all. I do think people might feel less skittish if we more clearly telegraphed that the 13+2 were unique character/concept article hybrids not to be used as precedent down the food chain. Maybe something like:
::* Category:Concept-Characters
::*With a description like, "These subjects act as facets of the ''Transformers'' brand's baseline worldbuilding first and characters in their own right second. For the defunct fictional concept riffing on this phenomenon, see [[multiversal singularity]]."
:Is that anything? --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
::I like that idea. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 20:52, 26 May 2025 (EDT)
:::Seems like an excellent idea to me! --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2025 (EDT)
::::Yeah, seems alright for now. However, I do think it's worth having some kind of plan in place in case a concept-character winds up getting expanded on in the future. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:50, 2 June 2025 (EDT)
::::: I do like the category idea. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)
Last call for objections before I go ahead with this? --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 16:01, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think there's an exception to be made for Alpha Trion, as the SG page is pretty long, and still incomplete, but otherwise, yeah; was surprised by how short SG Primus and Unicron's articles are. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] ([[User talk:Alientraveller|talk]]) 16:24, 12 June 2025 (EDT)
:: It's not very long compared to the rest of the page, especially considering the toys are already on Trion's toys page. I feel like if we were gonna split a section off for length reasons it'd be Generation 1. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 20:55, 12 June 2025 (EDT)

== Interwiki link request ==

Having reached another milestone in my ongoing project to document the non-''Transformers'' [[back-up strips]] printed in the Marvel UK book, I'd like to request that tfuk.app (<tt><nowiki>https://tfuk.app/wiki/$1</nowiki></tt>) gets added to the interwiki table. Thanks. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 11:11, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
:Goddamn, this is an incredible amount of work: more than being added to the interwiki table, it frankly feels worthy of being pinned into the "sister wikis" section on the opening page. Great job! ([[User:FortressMaxxing|FortressMaxxing]] ([[User talk:FortressMaxxing|talk]]) 12:08, 20 May 2025 (EDT))
::Seconding Fortress on front page sister wiki status, frankly. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 12:31, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thirded on adding it to the sister wikis list, that’s amazing. - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 16:07, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Fourthing! -- [[User:DannyBoy|DannyBoy]] ([[User talk:DannyBoy|talk]]) 10:19, 21 May 2025 (EDT)
:That seems eminently reasonable: [[tfuk:Main Page|The Transformers UK Appendix]] --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:15, 20 May 2025 (EDT)
::Thank you! [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 17:32, 20 May 2025 (EDT)

== Skybound’s Marvel compendium edits ==

So I’ve got Skybound’s [[The Transformers Compendium Volume 1]] in hand and am reading it. I was under the impression that Skybound was, for the most part, just using IDW’s Classics reprint with maybe some polish here and there, but comparing Skybound’s version to the wiki notes about IDW classics edits, there are actually several changes from those that are going to need to be noted on each issue’s article. (For instance, the Wheeljack/Hoist panel comparison on [[I, Robot-Master!]] has a new color scheme to add to it.) Are we gonna want to make a new section on each article underneath the “Classics edits” one? Are we gonna want to wait until the Kickstarter-exclusive versions come out so we can do it all at once? (I’m just talking about differences I’ve noticed while ''skimming'' articles; I imagine there are lots more. This is the first time I’ve read the comic and thus I don’t have originals/IDW reprints to directly compare to. Just something I wanted to bring to your guys’ attention.) [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 02:04, 1 June 2025 (EDT)
:Making a new section under "Classics Edits" seems like the best move. As for the second question, I feel it would be best if we started making note of the changes now so that there will be less work to when the Kickstarter exclusives do release. — [[User:Wildstrike|Wildstrike]] ([[User talk:Wildstrike|talk]]) 04:58, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

== Continuity of origin listings? ==
I happened to see the [[Sentius Magnus]] and [[Sentius Malus]], and that sent me looking to see if there were any other new characters unique to [[Earth Wars]]. When I couldn't find any such listing, I realized I don't think we have any real way to identify original characters by their original continuity. Might it make sense to have, say, categories for brand-new characters that originated in each continuity? i.e. "Earth Wars original characters" or "IDW 2005 original characters" or "Marvel comics original characters", etc? Or, if not categories, some way of compiling that information?<br>Also, to be clear, I wouldn't consider characters that began as toys to be original to whatever fiction they first appeared in; this would just be for the likes of the aforementioned Sentius twins, or [[Xaaron]], or [[Devcon (G1)|Devcon]], or [[Tarn (DJD)|Tarn]]. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 06:29, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
:I think that would be a good idea, and very helpful organization-wise. (Also, you’re correct in that there are no other TFEW-original characters beyond maybe SB Optimus Prime and SB Megatron.) - [[User:IGEBM13|IGEBM13]] ([[User talk:IGEBM13|talk]]) 09:09, 16 June 2025 (EDT)
: I feel that would be unnecessary, fans can find it out by looking at the work page. [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 16:53, 16 June 2025 (EDT)

Inferno (BW)

2025-06-16T20:49:54Z

Vrung:

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{{disambig3|Inferno}}
:''Inferno is a [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] from the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[File:BWUniverseInfernoModel.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Burninating the countryside, burninating the Maximals, burninating all the Autobots and their crashed old SPACESHIIIIIIIPS! CRASHED OLD SPACESHIIIIIPS!]]
'''Inferno''' wholeheartedly believes that he is an ant and that [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] is his queen. Unlike many Predacons, he has no personal ambitions or future plans; everything he does is for the good of the colony and his queen. Luckily for Inferno, many of the tasks his queen assigns him involve burning things—and he ''likes'' burning things.

Keeping with his ant mentality, Inferno has absolutely no regard for his own personal safety whatsoever. He is fanatically loyal to Megatron, and as such will use his heavy firepower and incredible strength full-on and take any task given of him, no matter how suicidal. And he'll do it laughing maniacally the entire time, for the glory of the colony.

{{bigquote|Ahahahahahahahahaha! [[Quickstrike (BW)|FOOL]]! Pain is my friend—allow me to introduce YOU to it!|Inferno|"[[Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Toy bios===
Despite the appearance of slowness, Inferno's abdomen could split to reveal hyper-drive ion thrusters that let him race up to any Maximal and devastate them! Among his armament if he couldn't catch up to his opponent were a missile launcher and pinching mandibles. {{storylink|#Beast Wars|Inferno bio}}

With the [[Transmetal|Metals]] power up, Inferno became even more berserk! Could anybody stop this maniac? {{storylink|#Metals|Metals Inferno bio}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Jim Byrnes]] (English), [[Shinichirō Miki]] (Japanese)|[[Alexander Novikov]] (Russian, 1st dub), [[Mikhail Tihonov]] (Russian, 2nd dub), [[Fang Shuqiao]] (Chinese), [[Sérgio Moreno]] (Portuguese), [[Thomas Schüler]] (German), [[Giorgio Bonino]] (Italian), [[César Árias]] (Latin American Spanish, 1st voice), [[Ricardo Mendoza]] (Latin American Spanish, 2nd voice), [[Daniel Dicenta]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Michel Vigné]] (French, except ''Spider's Game'')}}

[[File:Spider's Game Inferno pod.jpg|thumb|left|250px|AHHH! THEM! THEM! THEM!]]

When a [[stasis pod]] landed on prehistoric [[Earth]], [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] and [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] immediately set out to claim the [[protoform]] inside as their own, intending to create another spider-bot using a Predacon [[shell program]]. In the midst of the procedure, however, the stasis pod's [[DNA scanner]] had already activated and selected an appropriate [[beast mode]] - a fire ant from a nearby anthill. The beast mode instincts completely overwhelmed the newborn Inferno's logic circuits, causing him to become wholly convinced that he was an actual fire ant and that his stasis pod was his "colony". [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] arrived at the scene and was immediately attacked by Inferno and Blackarachnia. During the fight, Tarantulas escaped with the stasis pod, which was his real goal, and an enraged Inferno followed. Pursuing the Predacons, [[Tigatron]] was able to destroy the stasis pod before Tarantulas was able to get it to his lab. This act put Inferno completely over the edge, and he went even crazier (if possible). Before he could finish Tigatron off, however, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] and [[Airazor (BW)|Airazor]] showed up and blew him to bits.

[[File:Spider's Game Inferno Tigatron.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Fire beats wood!]]

However, [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] took an immediate shine to the brutish psychopath, stating, "Oooohhh, I ''like'' him", and had him restored, possibly with some mental improvements. Thereafter, Inferno was fanatically loyal to Megatron, thinking of him as his "Queen", which Megatron found ''very'' annoying. A few death threats convinced Inferno to call Megatron "the Royalty" instead, although he occasionally backslid. {{storylink|Spider's Game}}

Inferno took part in the Predacon hunt after the Maximals' beast instincts had overtaken their programming. He merrily shot at their quarry, at least until the Maximals were able to overcome their beast instincts. Then he was shot out of the air by [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. {{storylink|Call of the Wild}} He led a diversionary assault on the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' with [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] to allow Tarantulas to deliver an [[energon discharge virus]], and later accompanied his Queen to [[Tarantulas's lair]] to find more of the virus. Unfortunately, this meant he was at ground zero when [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] blew the Predacons away with an enormous fart. {{storylink|The Low Road}}

[[File:LawoftheJungle-flamethrower.jpg|left|thumb|250px]]

{{quote|The Royalty commands your wreckage, destroyer of my colony!|Inferno still holding a grudge against Tigatron|"[[Law of the Jungle]]"}}

Though supposedly under Terrorsaur's leadership for an attack on Cheetor and [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]], Inferno didn't wait for the signal to attack, instead plunging into frenzied battle. Though he had Cheetor pinned down for most of the fight, he was blasted out of the air by Tigatron. The three Predacons later ambushed Dinobot, defeating the Maximal before Terrorsaur and Waspinator were both taken out by Optimus. Inferno had Dinobot and Primal in his sights when Tigatron turned up to defend them. Inferno's act of igniting a nearby tree only made the Maximal more furious, and Inferno was soon blown away. {{storylink|Law of the Jungle}}

Sent on a mission by the Royalty, Inferno discovered a [[Golden Disk (Vok)|Golden Disk]] and managed to retrieve it, even as his systems were suffering from energon overload. After returning to base, he underwent repairs and subsequently took part in an attempt to stop Tigatron escaping the ''[[Darksyde (BW)|Darksyde]]''. He plummeted out of the air after Primal disconnected his jet thruster, and he had to be hauled back to base. {{storylink|Before the Storm}}

[[File:OtherVoices1 Inferno ant mode.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4|And as we discussed last semester, the army ants will leave nothing but your bones.]]
It wasn't long before he was given a new mission by the Royalty, and he tailed Blackarachnia and Tarantulas to the ''Axalon'', though he was temporarily delayed by having to dig a tunnel under the ship's force field. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 1}} He found the two spiders in the hold of the ''Axalon'', working on a stasis pod. Blasting Blackarachnia and setting Tarantulas on fire, Inferno barely had time to check out what they were doing before Blackarachnia recovered and shot him back. {{storylink|Other Voices, Part 2}} After pulling himself together, he attacked Rhinox and Dinobot on the ''Axalon''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s bridge, eventually being defeated and thrown bodily from the ship. The Royalty, faced with imminent defeat, gathered up his loyal soldier and retreated. {{storylink|Aftermath (BW episode)|Aftermath}}

[[File:ComingoftheFuzors2-Infernocloseup.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
With [[Scorponok (BW)|Scorponok]]'s demise, Inferno was promoted to [[Second-in-command|Sub-Commander]]. After the two [[Fuzor]]s were "born", Inferno attacked them vigorously until the Royalty batted him aside and talked the pair into joining the Predacons. [[Quickstrike (BW)|Quickstrike]] later rode Inferno into battle against Dinobot, Cheetor and [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]]. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 1)}} A mid-air collision saw Inferno and the Royalty temporarily swapping heads. The Predacons were on the verge of victory when [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] appeared, reborn as a [[Transmetal]]. Inferno accidentally blew away Tarantulas and Quickstrike before failing to beat Primal in a quick draw, and the Predacons were eventually forced to retreat. {{storylink|Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)}}

Inferno and Waspinator were assigned to construct a [[jamming tower]], a mission they quickly completed, though in a manic fit, Inferno brought the new tower down on Waspinator's head while the latter was reporting to the Royalty. {{storylink|Tangled Web}} The pair then teamed up with Quickstrike to ambush Dinobot and Rattrap. Inferno managed to pin Dinobot down but ran out of ammo, and he would probably have been torn apart by the Maximal if it wasn't for Waspinator managing to take out [[Silverbolt (Fuzor)|Silverbolt]] and Dinobot with one shot. After commending Waspinator for serving their Queen well, Inferno gathered up Dinobot and flew his prize back to base. {{storylink|Maximal, No More}}

[[File:OtherVisits1-InfernoBlackarachnia.jpg|right|thumb|300px]]

Always keen to shoot something, Inferno joined Blackarachnia and the Royalty on a mission to infiltrate the ''Axalon''. While the Queen distracted Rhinox, Inferno and Blackarachnia slipped inside, and Inferno was able to blast the Maximal. Unfortunately, Rhinox quickly recovered and dealt Inferno a flurry of uppercuts to the chin, but this only gave the Royalty the chance to come to his loyal soldier's aid, and the trio were able to make off with the alien Golden Disk. The Predacons later visited an alien site and were blasted by an [[Metal Hunter|alien construct]] which appeared there. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 1)}} The Royalty was able to take control of the construct, restoring Inferno and the others to the land of the living, before sending him on a mission with Waspinator to retrieve a [[transwarp cell]]. Afterward, Inferno was pressed into action defending the construct from the Maximals, and thus wasn't aboard when it exploded. {{storylink|Other Visits (Part 2)}}

[[File:Agenda2-fortheroyalty.jpg|left|thumb|300px|No expense spared! Just the Inferno.]]

Inferno, Quickstrike and the Royalty monitored Silverbolt and Blackarachnia, and Inferno wondered aloud why the spider didn't shoot the Fuzor. {{storylink|Bad Spark}} He merrily torched a valley full of [[anthropoid]]s until Dinobot impaled him, used him as a shield, and then used Inferno's own gun to blow his head off. {{storylink|Code of Hero}} Inferno was sent to retrieve a new stasis pod, only to be disabled by Silverbolt. He recovered and fired on Silverbolt... and hit [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]] instead, triggering the creature to unleash its attack on everyone present. Inferno was surprisingly the only one sensible enough to duck the blast, and later joined [[Rampage (BW)|Rampage]] in presenting the newcomer to his Queen. After some negotiation, the Royalty agreed to give Transmutate a chance, and the trio ambushed Silverbolt. When Transmutate refused to finish Silverbolt off, Inferno pushed it aside to shoot Silverbolt, only to be blasted by Transmutate's sonic weapon. {{storylink|Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate}}

{{quote|I was explaining what it means to be a Predacon! Deceit. Treachery. ''Mindless'' loyalty.}}
{{quote|Loyalty comes first!|Rampage and Inferno|"Transmutate"}}

[[File:OptimalSituation battered Inferno.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|Welcome to Last Year's Toy status, buddy.]]
With rescue for the Maximals seemingly impending, the Predacons mounted a full attack on the ''Axalon'', only to be driven off by [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s cloaked [[transwarp cruiser]]. The Maximals subsequently teamed up to assault the Predacon base. During the attack, Inferno attempted to blast Rhinox, only to be perforated by a chaingun. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 1)}} Megatron's troops were scattered after the defeat, Inferno heading for a cave full of [[energon]]. There he was found by Primal and Cheetor, and he ended up sacrificing himself by detonating a huge cache of energon in a failed attempt to defeat the Maximals. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}} Despite his apparent vaporization, he revived yet again, though with several holes in his chassis. He joined his Queen at the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and they headed for the ''Axalon'' along with Waspinator. They never reached their objective, being intercepted by Optimus Primal and Cheetor while still en route. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}}

Inferno was assigned to attack the new Maximal base with Rampage. Inferno's plan to draw Optimus out seemed to work, but Rampage had gotten distracted and left Inferno to it, and the fire ant was swiftly crushed by a boulder dropped by Blackarachnia. {{storylink|Deep Metal}} Inferno was next teamed up with Waspinator and Quickstrike to attempt to steal the [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] module from the Maximals. After Waspinator was taken out by Silverbolt and Rattrap, Inferno pursued them relentlessly until he was able to snatch the module and return triumphantly with it to his Queen. {{storylink|Changing of the Guard}}

[[File:Deep Metal Inferno Rampage.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.34|You're a funny guy, Inferno. I like you. That's why I'm going to kill you last.]]
During a period when the Maximal base was undermanned, Inferno took part in an attack lead by his Queen. When Quickstrike was given lead position as they entered the base, Inferno asked why he hadn't been chosen, but the reason became clear moments later as Quickstrike was taken out by a sequence of booby traps. The Predacons stormed the base, but met with heavy resistance in the form of [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], and were forced to retreat. {{storylink|Cutting Edge}} After Inferno plugged in the Predacons' new [[disruptor cannon]] too soon, he and Waspinator were forced to kidnap [[Una]] to complete installing the shielding. The task was completed, but Una escaped with Rattrap's help. Inferno, Waspinator and [[Dinobot II|Dinobot]] gave chase, only to end up colliding after Rattrap flicked mud into Waspinator's face. They returned to the cave housing the cannon in time for its firing, but as Una had taken the stabilizer crystal, it merely exploded. {{storylink|Go with the Flow}}

As the Predacons attempted to disrupt the power in the Maximal base during an operation to save Blackarachnia, Inferno managed to find the blind spot for the Maximal auto-guns from which he could safely fire. While crowing that the traitor would soon be destroyed, he was attacked by Optimus. He managed to dodge the missiles, but the move took him out of the blind spot, and he was promptly blasted by the auto-guns. {{storylink|Crossing the Rubicon}} A new plan allowed the Predacons to conquer the Maximal base, and Inferno was left in charge of the unconscious Maximals. Blackarachnia, the only one still functioning, got him to chase her and tricked him into stepping outside the base so she could shut him out and turn the auto-guns on him. {{storylink|Master Blaster}}

[[File:Nemesis2-Infernodrums.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.1|Honestly not sure if slapping that noggin with your palm is going to result in that good a drum.]]
The destruction of the ''[[Darksyde (BW)|Darksyde]]'' at the hands of the [[Vok]]s' emissary, [[Tigerhawk]], left Inferno distraught at the loss of their colony. A short time later, he, Waspinator and Quickstrike were literally blown away by Tigerhawk. {{storylink|Other Victories}} After Inferno asserted that they needed to found a new colony, the Royalty sent him with Quickstrike and Waspinator to do just that. They soon found a potential new colony in the form of an anthropoid settlement and, after the setback of Waspinator abandoning the cause and having to be shot, Inferno and Quickstrike began their takeover. Unfortunately, the anthropoids had been learning and met force with resistance. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 1}} Nonetheless, they seemed to succeed largely in driving the anthropoids out, and they celebrated as the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' appeared overhead. The celebration was short-lived, as moments later, the ship's main [[fusion cannon]] obliterated the area, killing both Predacons.

Inferno's head was used thereafter by the anthropoids as a drum, and his tail thruster was used for their cooking fire. {{storylink|Nemesis Part 2}}

====3H comics====
[[File:CriticalMass-Inferno.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|left|My grandpa says this all the time.]]

When [[Fractyl]] discovered [[Furmanite]], Inferno was told to watch him. When [[Packrat]] showed up, Inferno tried to burn him and accidentally triggered an energon/anti-energon explosion, allowing Packrat to steal the Furmanite. Because Inferno did not have the Furmanite, and thus no Energon Armor, his pursuit of Packrat was both disastrous and humiliating. {{storylink|Ground Zero}}

At some point after Megatron acquired his dragon body, a temporal distortion drew the attention of both the Maximals and Predacons to a remote canyon, where Inferno and his fellow Predacons met their foes. The Maximals were losing, having been fought into a corner, when suddenly the battle was interrupted. The [[Dark Essence]], the source of the temporal distortion, had possessed the newcomer [[Windrazor (BW)|Windrazor]] with the life force of [[Unicron]]. Inferno and the others were immobilized by Windrazor/Unicron's psionic force blasts, and the merged creature advanced on the Maximals. {{storylink|Paradox}} These events would soon be retroactively erased from Inferno's timeline with the efforts of the legendary [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]]. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}}
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====2006 IDW ''Beast Wars'' continuity====
[[File:BWGatherInferno.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|''Come at me<br>And you’ll see<br>I’m more than meets the eye'']]
As [[Magmatron]] surveyed the timeline, he witnessed several key events taking place during the Beast Wars. Among these was Inferno's first few moments outside of his stasis pod. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1|The Gathering #1}}

Megatron dispatched Inferno alongside Rampage to oversee the installation of [[Sentinel (BW)|Sentinel]] into the ''[[Darksyde (BW)|Dark Side]]''. Once Megatron was alone, however, he was ambushed by a trio of [[Chronal phase|chronally displaced]] assailants. Inferno rushed back to the scene to inquire what all the commotion was about, but his leader was nowhere to be seen. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 3|The Gathering #3}}

====Waspscream continuity====
In [[Primax 208.06 Zeta]], Inferno stayed loyal to Megatron even after 'Waspscream' staged a coup against Megatron. He was captured alongside Scorponok and shipped back to Cybertron aboard a stolen shuttle from the ''Ark''. By the time that they reached Cybertron, however, they realized that Megatron had broken free and already taken over the planet. Megatron offered his two former lackeys a chance to serve him again, and Inferno, overjoyed at the prospect of aiding his queen, accepted. With a new [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] body, he became a [[Vehicon General]] in command of [[Scrapmetal (race)|Scrapmetal]]s. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/16}} This upgrade removed most of his madness, but not his loyalty to his beloved queen. After [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] killed Megatron and seized control of Cybertron, Inferno swore revenge and defected, joining up with Waspscream's [[technorganic]] Predacons. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/16}} Along with Obisidan and his universe's incarnation of [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]], Inferno was abducted by [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|#Universe (2003)|BotCon 2006 Inferno toy bio}} Try as Unicron might, Inferno couldn't be broken, seeking only to destroy the two traitors to his colony, and was thus imprisoned in the [[Cauldron]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/16}} After he was liberated by Optimus Primal, he joined the [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]] in the [[Universe War]], and wound up fighting alongside [[#Transformers Legends anthology|a similarly redeemed alternate-universe incarnation of himself]]. {{storylink|#Universe (2003)|BotCon 2006 Inferno toy bio}}

====A Change to the Agenda====
Inferno joined [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] in his attack on the wounded [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], where the Predacon leader succeeded at killing the Autobot hero. {{storylink|A Change to the Agenda}}

====''Legacy VS500 Collection Special Comic''====
Inferno was a spectator of the second week of the [[Speedia 500]] on [[Velocitron]]. {{storylink|Velocitron Speedia 500 Part 3}}

===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
When [[human]] archaeologists uncovered a cave filled with primitive language, the [[Mini-Con]] [[Laserbeak (Armada)|Laserbeak]] translated it for them. The markings told of a time when the Maximals and Predacons crash-landed on prehistoric Earth, though the stranded Transformers were perceived by the protohumans as gods. When one of the archeologists, [[Jessica Theist]], later touched one of the markings, she was bestowed a vision of the Maximals' and Predacons' battles. In her vision she saw "a huge fire ant easily the size of a truck". {{storylink|Fire in the Dark}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
[[File:Inferno-tfu.jpg|200px|thumb|left|I don't rock and roll. I extinguish!]]

The Beast Wars this Inferno participated in were fought not over [[energon]] but over Mini-Cons. Inferno was killed in the course of the conflict. At the moment of his death, his [[spark]] was abducted by [[Unicron]], who plucked him from [[Aurex 1104.30-JH Zeta]] to fight in the [[Universe War]]. His disembodied essence found the corpse of the recently deceased [[Red Alert (RID 2001)|Red Alert]] from [[Viron 903.0 Beta]], allowing him to return to life... although he was disappointed to learn that Red Alert's weapons were designed to ''extinguish'' fires, rather than start them. When [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] rescued him, he swore allegiance to his new queen. Although he was deprived of his usual weaponry, he remained a savage and bloodthirsty warrior. Inferno would eventually fight alongside an [[Inferno (BW)#Waspscream continuity|alternate universe-incarnation of himself]] who had become a [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]]. {{storylink|Source:Ask Vector Prime/Facebook#August 13, 2015|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/13}}
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===Legends World===
An employee of the [[Tera-Kura Co.]], Inferno was seated next to company president Megatron when he was taking interviews for new recruits. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13|Bonus Edition Vol. 13}}

After the [[Legends World]] was restored, Inferno watched on as [[T-AI|Ai]] attempted to arrest [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] in [[Tera-Kura Co.]] {{Storylink|Transformers Legends Final Chapter "Epiloge"|Epiloge}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
When [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] came upon the idea of a [[Beast mode|Beast Upgrade]] to throw off the shackles of the Builders, he enlisted the help of exiled Autobot scientist [[Leatherhide (Universe)|Leatherhide]]. Together, they refined the process until a final test was necessary using a previously un-scanned protoform as the template for the process to come. Megatron chose an ant-droid as the prototype, and soon, '''Formikon''' was born. Seeing himself as a warrior for the colony, and Megatron his queen, Formikon dedicated himself to the [[Darksyder]]s. {{storylink|Not All Megatrons}}

When the colony in Iacon came under attack by invaders in the [[Vehicon Apocalypse]], Formikon defended the royalty with zeal and gusto. {{storylink|Derailment}}

===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:StrangerEons-MaximalAttack.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
One of [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Onyx Prime]]'s Maximals, Inferno and his comrades joined [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] as the planet-eater began his assault on Cybertron's colonies, and battled [[Stardrive]] and [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] over the planet [[Devisiun (planet)|Devisiun]]. When that planet had been destroyed, he and the other Maximals retreated as Unicron moved on to his next target. {{storylink|Unstopped and Unstoppable}}

When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] led a force against Unicron to prevent him from eating [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]], Inferno was among the many Maximals who swarmed over the planet to prevent the Camiens from evacuating, only to be kept at bay by the sacrifice of the [[Mistress of Flame]] while the Camiens used the planet's [[space bridge]] to escape. {{storylink|Last Stand (Unicron)|Last Stand}} Inferno was later regurgitated to board the flagship [[Worldsweeper]] of the [[Decepticon Vengeance Division]], now mutated by the power of [[Ore-11]] into a resilient skeletal form. {{storylink|Stranger Eons}} On [[Earth]], Inferno led the Maximals to collect the [[Talisman (G1)|Talisman]] only for [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to space bridge away with the device. {{storylink|Assembly (Unicron)|Assembly}}
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===2021 ''Beast Wars'' comic===
[[File:TheEnd-Inferno.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

The Cybertronian who would become Inferno was one of the many Maximal [[protoform]]s aboard the ''[[Axalon (BW)|Axalon]]'' who subsequently fell to Earth as a result of [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]]'s sabotage. {{storylink|Pod Part 2}} The enigmatic [[Vok]] claimed five fallen stasis pods and altered the unborn protoforms within by changing them into loyal servants—in particular, Inferno proved fanatically loyal to his "queens". Inferno and the other "Children of the Vok" sought a naturalistic existence where they lived in harmony with their adopted homeworld; shortly after their activation, the group hunted down and captured Optimus Primal and Megatron, whose war jeopardized the Vok's delicate experiments. Although the group explained that the Vok merely wanted them out of the way, Megatron refused to negotiate with their servants and demanded an audience with the aliens. When Megatron and Primal subsequently used their own [[beast mode]]s to escape captivity, the Children of the Vok moved to stop them—in the ensuing battle, Megatron easily outpowered both Inferno and his comrade [[Saberback]] before the Vok intervened directly. {{storylink|Children of the Vok}}

To eliminate the Maximals and Predacons, [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] and the [[Vok]] brought every crashed [[stasis pod]] they could find online and reprogrammed the protoforms within into more Vok servants. Inferno joined in their all-or-nothing attack on the ''[[Darksyde (BW)|Darksyde]]'' in an attempt to take out the Maximal-Predacon alliance for good. Eventually, however, the capricious Vok revealed themselves and announced that they planned to exterminate ''every'' Cybertronian on the planet using their energon-powered [[reversion device]] and begin again. While most of the Children of the Vok agreed to a truce and left to live peacefully in the wilderness after the Maximals successfully destroyed the Vok and banished Megatron through time, Inferno stayed behind to pledge his fealty to a new "queen": Blackarachnia, acting leader of the Predacons. Together, the group set about repairing the crashed ''Darksyde'' using the parts from the Vok superweapon. {{storylink|The End (BW)|The End}}

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==Games==
===''Beast Wars: Transformers'' video game continuity===
====''Beast Wars: Transformers'' video game comic====
Upon arriving on "[[Earth|Planet Energon]]", the dangers of Energon radiation forced the six surviving Predacons and their Maximal adversaries to take on beast alternate forms. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers video game advertising comic}}

====''Beast Wars: Transformers'' video game====
{{voiceactor|??? (English), ??? (Japanese)}}

Many Beast Wars combatants had managed to construct personal bases, customized to their personal tastes, due to the extended duration of the war. Inferno was stationed in the "Polluted Zone", a gloomy and poisonous area of the planet, rendered in such condition by a previous conflict during the Beast Wars. Inferno joined his fellow Predacons in battling not only the persistent Maximal resistance, but the interdimensional monsters known as the [[Skriix]]. He also participated in rescue missions whenever one of his fellow Predacons became the captive of the Maximals.

=====Maximal campaign=====
Inferno was a scientist, probing into the mysteries of the Skriix. When the Maximals learned of Inferno's experiments after having rescued a stasis pod, they sent in a Maximal to put a halt to Inferno's activities by eliminating the Predacon. Awaiting his assassin atop of his lab within a volcanic crater, Inferno proceeded to attack the Maximal by engaging his flight mode and raining firepower upon his assailant. Ultimately Inferno fell and his experiments discontinued. In response to Inferno's demise, the Predacons launched an unsuccessful assault on the ''Axalon'', which ultimately led to the Maximals winning the Beast Wars.

=====Predacon campaign=====
{{Note|Inferno is a playable character for both normal and "rescue missions" gameplay.}}
Inferno and [[Terrorsaur (BW)|Terrorsaur]] had the task to rescue any of their comrades that were captured whenever a mission against the Maximals failed. {{storylink|Beast Wars: Transformers (video game)|Beast Wars: Transformers}}

{{BW VG|Inferno|P}}

===''Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars''===
Megatron could summon Inferno to the battlefield in his attempts to acquire the super-powerful [[Energon Quartz]]. {{storylink|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle|Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars}}

===''Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals'' (PS)===
While the Maximals stormed the Darksyde in an attempt to retake the Golden Disk, Inferno, Blackarachnia and Waspinator took advantage of their absence and infiltrated the Axalon. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Transmetals (PS)}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsInferno.jpg|thumb|400px|For the empire!]]
Inferno participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was an Epic character first available as a reward in the "Beast Wars: Episode 2" event. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
As Inferno arrived on earth, he asked his queen Megatron what he should do. Megatron commanded Inferno to melt the mound of rocks [[Tarantulas (BW)|Tarantulas]] was under with a reservoir of [[Cosmic Rust]]. Megatron wanted this cave collapsed so Tarantulas could come out and be captured by [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]] of the [[Decepticon Justice Division]]. [[Fangtron]] was confused as to why Inferno kept calling Megatron his queen. The [[Transmetal 2]] dragon explained that it was a strange but useful aberration. Inferno then transformed into his fire ant mode to melt the rock for the royalty. {{Storylink|Rust & Fire}}
{{Charstubgames|{{Storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars}}}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
Inferno was a fanatical Predacon warrior who specialized in fire-based weaponry. A single-minded fighter, Inferno had difficulty separating his higher reasoning from the eusocial instincts of his beast form.

In an alternate universe, Inferno was hit with the [[quantum surge]] and gained a [[Transmetal]] body. {{storylink|Technorganic Secrets}}

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==Toys==
===''Beast Wars''===
[[File:BWtoy-Inferno.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Have fun standing me up in insect mode!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Inferno''' (Mega Class, 1997)}}</ul>
:*''Takara ID number'': '''D-11'''
:*''Takara release date'': January ??, 1998
:*''Accessories'': Mandible claw, spring-loaded missile launcher, 2 insect-leg missiles
{{toydesigner|[[Takio Ejima]]<ref>''[[Figure King]]'' No.303 (April 2023 issue)</ref> and [[Yuichiro Hira]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

: Part of the first wave of year-two Mega toys in [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)|Beast Wars]]'' line, Inferno transforms into a red fire ant. His [[beast mode]] mandibles are spring-loaded and conceal an spring-loaded missile launcher, revealed with a push of a lever on his insect forehead, pushing the launcher out of his mouth. This launcher can fire either one of his removable rear-insect-leg-segments, but maybe that's not a great idea in beast mode. Both the mandibles and launcher are separately removable for conversion to robot mode, where they can both be "hand-held" weapons, though it is a bit more "[[show-accuracy|show-accurate]]" to keep them together. His beast mode abdomen splits open to reveal his "hyper-drive ion thrusters", with the abodmen panels forming propeller blades that spin with the push of a geared plunger on the thrusters. Again, this gimmick is usable in both modes, though this time it is no less ridiculous to use in beast mode than robot.

: Despite his status as one of the more prominent characters in the show, Inferno was a ''notorious'' [[shelfwarmer]]. This is generally accepted to have been a result of him being severely heavypacked in [[case]]s, with at least two of him shipping in every single Mega-class case assortment of his year and often in greater numbers than his fellows. Combine that with his size class making him pricier, and you have a recipe for colonies of the guy being spotted on clearance as late as 2001.

: The [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] release of Inferno, in the line's sixth wave in January 1998, appears to have no noteworthy differences from the Hasbro release aside from packaging.

: This mold was also used to make [[Antagony (BW)#Toys|Antagony]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1996/Predacon/Inferno/inferno.htm More information on Inferno at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1p1|'''Jigoku no Taiketsu: Cybershark VS Inferno''' (Vs pack, 1997)}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''VS-11'''
:*''Release date'': January ??, 1998
:*''Accessories'': Mandible claw, spring-loaded missile launcher, 2 insect-leg missiles

: In Japan, Inferno was available both separately and in a "Hell Showdown" (地獄の対決 ''Jigoku no Taiketsu'') two-pack with [[Cybershark#VS11|Cybershark]]. Both toys are identical to their individual releases.

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[[File:BWtoy-Scavenger.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Imagine a lack of name tampographed on his leg and we're good.]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Metals Inferno''' (Mega, 1999)}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''D-46'''
:*''Release date'': October ??, 1998
{{toydesigner|[[Daniel Sanfilippo]] (deco artist), [[Masakatsu Saito]] (concept artist)}}

: Released in the second wave of Takara's ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars (Japanese toyline)#1999 (Beast Wars Metals)|Beast Wars Metals]]'' line, Metals Inferno is a barely-different redeco of the [[Hasbro]] Mega Transmetal Predacon [[Scavenger (BW)#Toys|Scavenger]], transforming into a robotic ant. He also has a third "[[Transportation mode|transport mode]]", a double-drill tank whose drills automatically spin when he's rolled along thanks to a gear-wheel system. The drills end up as his robot mode "hands", and while they still spin, you have to do it more directly.

: When we say the deco is "barely-different", we mean that the ''only'' noticeable difference is the "SCAVENGER" [[tampograph]] is completely absent; unlike the other ''Metals'' releases, the name tampo was not replaced with a "DESTRON" tampograph. Who knows why.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1999/Destron/Inferno/inferno.htm More information on Metals Inferno at TFU.info]''

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<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1p1|'''Kaitei no Taiketsu: Metals Depth Charge VS Metals Inferno''' (Multi-pack, October 1999)}}</ul>
:*''ID number:'' '''VS-46'''

: Metals Inferno was available both individually and in an "Undersea Showdown" (海底の対決 ''Kaitei no Taiketsu'') double-pack with [[Depth Charge (BW)#VS46|Depth Charge]]. Both toys were identical to their individual releases.
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===''Universe'' (2003)===
[[File:Universe2003toy-InfernoDeluxe.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|WATER! WATER! WATER!]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-a1|'''Inferno''' (Deluxe, 2003)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Left & right thrusters, 2 "flame" missiles
:*''Known designers'': [[Marcelo Matere]] (packaging artist)

: Released in the third wave of 2003's ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' Deluxes, Inferno is a [[redeco]] of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] [[Prowl (RID)#Toys|Prowl]] toy in a deco similar to the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] character [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], transforming into a "Fire Chief" [[Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#Lamborghini Diablo|Lamborghini Diablo]]. The toy features a pair of pressure-launch missile launchers, which attach to his [[alternate mode|car mode]] spoiler or to his robot mode forearm, as well as attaching to the car mode's light bar in robot mode to form a [[jet pack]].

: His status as an incarnation of ''Beast Wars'' Inferno was part of a whole semi-complicated mess (see "[[#Notes|Notes]]" below), but yes, he's ''Beast Wars'' Inferno.

: This toy was [[repurposing|repurposed]] as ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]]'' [[Red Alert (RID 2001)|Red Alert]].

: The same mold is used by the 2003 ''Universe'' versions of [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Sideswipe]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Sunstreaker]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/TFUInferno/inferno.htm More information on Universe Inferno at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Universe2003toy-InfernoBotCon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Inferno, Burninate!"]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-d1|'''Inferno''' (Scout Class, 2006)}}</ul>
:*''Accessories'': Blade, key

: This incarnation of Inferno is a repaint (like, ''actually technically'' a re''paint'') of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Scout Class [[Scrapmetal (race)#Toys|Scrapmetal]] toy, transforming into a four-legged "spider tank" with top-mounted cannon. Inserting a [[Cyber Key]] into the back end of the cannon swings a removable clear-plastic sawblade-sword from the main chamber of the cannon. In robot mode, the fists can be covered with the tank mode spikes, or a "pile driver".

: He was only available to attendees of the [[BotCon 2006]] customization class along with [[Rumble (G1)/toys#Universe (2003)|Rumble]], which is where the "repaint" comes in. Attendees were given two sets of unpainted sprues for normal red Scrapmetal toys, and the attendees assembled and painted their toys themselves. For those who wish to reproduce Inferno at home, the following Testors paint colors were used: Gin Green, Bright Blue, Camouflage Gray, Flat White, Cobalt Blue, Deep Pearlescent Purple, Medium Gray, Armored Steel, and Flat Black. (Also you're going to have to remove all the black paint from Scrapmetal's cockpit/chest without damaging the plastic underneath, good luck!)

: This mold was also used to make the [[Cobybot#Toys|Cobybot]].
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===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Voyager-Class-Inferno.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|[[Inferno (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|What we really wanted all along.]]]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-p1|'''Predacon Inferno''' (Voyager Class, [[2022]])}}</ul>
:*''TakaraTomy ID number'': '''TL-20'''
:*''TakaraTomy release date'': [[February 25]], [[2023]]
:*''Accessory:'' "Missile Launcher"
:*''Known designers'': [[Mark Maher]] (Hasbro), [[Tomoki Tatsumi]] (TakaraTomy), [[Doug Schultheis]] (sculpter)

: Part of the third wave of ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Voyager Class toys, "Predacon Inferno" is a fairly cartoon-accurate figure transforming into a "realistic" fire ant mode in 26 steps, featuring moving mandibles. The morphology of Inferno's "fire ant" mode, however, more closely resembles that of a female velvet ant (which is actually a type of wasp) than an actual fire ant... oops. Inferno comes with a four-barreled missile gun, which is ''actually'' based on his original toy and cartoon counterparts' abdomen propeller thruster, and can be plugged onto the back of his ant mode or held in his hand in [[robot mode]]. The abdomen of the ant mode is capable of splitting into a four-bladed propeller, and the four-barreled gun can be plugged into the rear to simulate his "flight mode"; while the propeller ''can'' turn, it does not do so freely, plus the cannon/thruster can't store in the closed abdomen.

: In robot mode Inferno has a posable jaw for insane screamy action. ''Wicked''.

: According to Mark Maher, the detailing inside Inferno's inner chest/ant head is intended to resemble chest details found on Transmetal Scavenger.

: Inferno was later redecoed into ''[[Generations Selects (toyline)|Generations Selects]]'' [[Antagony (BW)#Generations Selects|Antagony]], who is packaged with an extra head based on Transmetal Scavenger that is colored to match Inferno's purple paint.
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===''Beast Wars Again''===
[[File:TF-BW-Again-JP-BWVS-07-Inferno.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
<ul class="iconlist">{{Bp-m1p1|'''Chūshin no Taiketsu''' (Multi-pack, [[2024]])}}</ul>
:*''ID number'': '''BWVS-07'''
:*''Release date'': [[February 24]], 2024
:*''Accessories'': 2 cannons
{{toydesigner|[[Hisashi Yuki]] (TakaraTomy)|[[Hidetsugu Yoshioka]] (packaging artist)}}

: Released as part of the ''[[Beast Wars: Super Lifeform Transformers Again|Beast Wars Again]]'' line, the "Loyal Retainer Showdown" (忠臣の対決) set contains Inferno and [[Airazor (BW)#Beast Wars Again|Airazor]]. Inferno is a redeco of [[#Legacy|''Legacy'' Inferno]] in more cartoon-accurate colors and comes with an additional cannon, so one can represent his flamethrower and the other can represent his thruster.
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==Merchandise==
===''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''===
[[File:Infernomutatingcard.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game''' (1997)
:Inferno was one of the 24 beast warriors to receive a battle card representation for the Beast Wars [[Beast Wars Transformers Mutating Card Game|card game]].
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===''Robot Heroes''===
[[File:Robotheroesinfernotigatron.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Reach for the sky—AND THEN BURRRRN IT!]]
*'''Tigatron & Inferno''' (Two-pack, 2009)
{{toydesigner|[[Bill Rawley]] (Hasbro)|[[Marcelo Matere]] (concept artist)}}

:Part of the fifth wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]] [[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'', Inferno is a mix of his original toy's design and the cartoon's depiction. He comes packaged with [[Tigatron#Robot Heroes|Tigatron]].

:The U.S. release of this two-pack has been cancelled, but it has been found in Singapore and Europe.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Predacon/RHInferno/inferno.htm More information on Inferno at TFU.info]''
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==Notes==
[[File:Inferno dies agenda2.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|BEST DEATH EVER. That guy in season three is, uh, actually Scavenger. Yeah.]]
*[[Hasbro]] originally intended Inferno to be the new body for Megatron. According to [http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/browse_thread/thread/b334d45514e26ab4/bc8e54e9165e0823?hl=en&lnk=st&q=bob+forward+interview+inferno+megatron&rnum=1#bc8e54e9165e0823 a 1997 interview conducted by fan HooksX], Bob Forward stated, "For a while there Hasbro was planning to make the Inferno toy the new Megatron. We were going to kill Megatron and bring him back as Inferno." The closest they got was in "[[Coming of the Fuzors (Part 2)]]" when Megatron and Inferno had a collision and swapped heads. When one considers that a [[Megatron (BW)/toys#Notes|dragon Megatron]] toy retooled from the Ultra figure was already being considered as early as immediately after the original Ultra T-Rex, it sounds like some wires may have gotten crossed there.
*Inferno clearly gets vaporized in an energon explosion at the end of Season 2; the [[Madman Entertainment]] Season 2 DVD commentary states that Inferno was indeed meant to die in the scene. At the time of the episode's production, it wasn't known if ''Beast Wars'' would be renewed for a third season (the show's chief writers once stated at BotCon that they'd adopted a "kill 'em all, let Hasbro sort 'em out" attitude towards the show's season finales.) When the show was renewed, Inferno was brought back, looking charred but more or less intact.
*Like Waspinator, Inferno's beast mode is female, as male ants are winged drones, which Inferno, due to his lack of wings, clearly is not. So, like Waspinator (and to some extent Tigatron), he has the distinction of being a masculine character with feminine physical characteristics.
*It's unknown as to why Transmetal [[Scavenger (BW)|Scavenger]], a toy clearly designed to be an upgraded Inferno, ended up not being Inferno except in Japan. Maybe Hasbro was just really keen on reclaiming the "Scavenger" [[trademark]]. Another theory is that since there were ant colonies of Inferno [[Shelfwarmer|clogging store shelves]] (as Inferno had been shipped in a solid [[case]]), retailers wouldn't want even more Infernos, so Hasbro had the name changed. Ironically, colonies of Scavengers also formed, as the Transmetal was also shipped in a solid case.<ref>You ''could'' say they didn't want to... <br/>'''*shades*'''<br/> ...buy the Inferno.</ref>
* ''Universe'' Inferno was originally supposed to be a new form of [[Red Alert (G1)|Generation 1 Red Alert]]. When the naming issue was brought up on ''Transformers'' brand designer [[Aaron Archer]]'s Orson's World forum, he said that the "Inferno" name was a mistake that somehow passed and that it was too late to do anything about it.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=The packaging was sent out before I could see it on the fire chief car and I and not going to redo an entire package for a name. This one really bugs me cause it is ment to be Red alert from G1 but thats the way it goes sometimes. I will try to have it be explained in the comic….|link=https://news.tfw2005.com/2003/09/10/more-on-energon-and-20th-ann-prime-from-orsons-world-updated-877|name=Aaron Archer|site=TFW2005|year=2003|month=09|day=10}}</ref> In an attempt to deal with the confusion, the biography [[3H Productions|3H]] created for this toy to be used on Hasbro's ''Transformers'' website stated that this was an alternate universe version of ''Beast Wars'' Inferno. Though the biography was never published,<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20150615063702/http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/17406-a-curiosity-otfccs-dont-seem-to-exist/page-4#entry370392</ref> Ask Vector Prime would canonize it over a decade later. In doing so, Ask Vector Prime partially restored the original naming intent of the toy, explaining that ''Universe''/"Fire in the Dark" Inferno had acquired his body from a 2001 ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Red Alert (RID 2001)|Red Alert]].
*Inferno's participation in the [[Universe War]] (in his [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon]] body) was, for years, of dubious canonicity. His bio comes from the [[BotCon 2006]] customization class, but it was never vetted by Hasbro (much like [[Nightracer (G2)|Nightracer]]'s bio). [[Ask Vector Prime]] would, over a decade later, confirm and expand upon the bio.
* Inferno and his wavemate [[Ratchet (Universe)#Toys|Ratchet]] were given the "group" name "Machine Robot Rescue", presumably in an attempt by [[Hasbro]] to block competitor [[Bandai]] from using the name for a potential importation of their ''{{w|Machine Robo Rescue}}'' toy series from Japan to the United States.
*In the Japanese dub of ''Beast Wars'', all characters are given distinctive verbal tics. One of Inferno's involves ending sentences with the phrase ''de arimasu'', an archaic phrase that has since been replaced by the more common ''desu'' and is only used in ''extremely'' formal situations. In Inferno's case, he uses it to illustrate his militaristic reverence for "the colony". Moreso, "ari" is Japanese for "ant", making the phrase work as a pun. Inferno's more incessant verbal tic involved endlessly repeating variations of the phrase ''gottsui zenkai'' (ごっつい全開, "maximum toughness") in a drone-like chant. Like every character, he would shout a phrase whenever he fired his weapon, in this case ''shageki'' (射撃, "fire").
** In the Japanese dub of [[Nemesis Part 2]]'s finale, Inferno's head when used as a drum by the protohumans, vocalized a pained version of his catchphrase whenever his head was hit.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Inferno''' (インフェルノ ''Inferuno'')
*''Italian:'' '''Formicula''' (toys), '''Formikon''' (cartoon)
*''Mandarin:'' '''Móguǐ''' (魔鬼, "Devil")
*''Spanish:'' '''Inferno''' (Spain), '''Infierno''' (America)

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Talk:Appliancebot

2025-06-08T02:12:22Z

Vrung: /* Decepticon symbol */ new section

Video of the appliancebots sequence ''has'' actually been officially released-- it was a promotional clip on the film's [http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=101273016549646&ref=mf facebook page].

Of course, even then we'd want clear screenshots from [http://emopanda.com/tmp/appliancebots_facebook.mp4 the original MP4], not grainy, artifacted Nth-generation YouTube snaps. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:43, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

== A different list would be better ==

The list of named appliancebots seems a waste of space at this point since there's only, y'know ''one''. A better list would be one of Appliancebot models (with a note on the Toaster that he's (Ejector). Hmm how many were there... Toaster, Vacume, Blender... right? What else? --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 13:13, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

:Agreed. A list of Appliancebots would be better, which just distinguishes between officially named and not using quotes;
*[[Ejector]]
*"Blender"
Etc. We use quotes to dostinguish descriptive non-names for other characters. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:25, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

Wasn't the garbage disposal in the movie too? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 15:17, 22 July 2009 (EDT)

== Hand Whisk ==

Am I the only one who saw a Hand whisk bot next to the blender? I knew it was a hand whisk cos the whisk part of it was part of its arm

:Rewatching the film, you're only half-right: there is a bot with an arm like that, but it isn't a hand whisk. It's a stand mixer - the kind that has a whisk as an attachment, so its arm could have just as easily been a large beater. (and don't forget to sign your posts) --[[User:Buttbutt|Buttbutt]] 02:11, 11 August 2009 (EDT)

== Sharkticon? ==

Did anyone else see a Sharkticon amongst them? You can see a mace tail when they're in the hallway. I'll see if I can get a picture.
:Based on my recollection of the film, I think that was the garbage disposal. Freaky little sod, it grunted a lot after bursting out from under the sink. Speaking of which, that bot that was on top of the sink (the on in the foreground of the main article pic)...what does that turn into? And which one's the samurai dude (the one that went 'Hwa!' and kicked something over - he was near the fridge that the Aeronet thingamadoo that turned into a bug was on)?--[[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 04:40, 14 August 2009 (EDT)

== Designer Pics ==

One of the RotF designers Paul Ozzimo has really nice design illustrations of Cappuccinobot and Garbage Disposal bot on his web page portfollio. Would it be appropriate to snag them for the wiki? (Also of note, he refers to them as the "Kitchen Bots" which I know is unnofficial, but is kinda interesting I think, as one of the RotF coloring books labels them as the "Kitchen Crew".) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 21:03, 12 September 2009 (EDT)
when are the rest of the appliance bot pictures are going to be up?

== Decepticon symbol ==

I remember reading many years ago that at certain points in the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' movie, you can see the emblem of the Decepticons on some of the Appliancebots, is that true? [[User:Vrung|Vrung]] ([[User talk:Vrung|talk]]) 22:12, 7 June 2025 (EDT)