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Judd Nelson

2025-11-24T00:29:34Z

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[[File:Juddnelson.jpg|284px|thumb|I want to be just like you. I figure all I need is a lobotomy and some tights.]]

'''Judd Nelson''' (born [[November 28]], [[1959]]) is an American actor. Outside of [[Transformers brand|Transformers]] [[fandom]], he is best known for his portrayal of teenage rebel John Bender in the 1985 film ''{{w|The Breakfast Club}}'', and as Brooke Shields's boss in the TV show ''Suddenly Susan''. He also voiced Eon & Ben 10,000 in ''[[Ben 10]]: Omniverse''.

==Voice roles==
===''The Transformers: The Movie''===
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime]]

===''Transformers Animated''===
*[[Rodimus Prime (Animated)|Rodimus Prime]]

===''[[The Hot Rod]]''===
*Hot Rod

===''Transformers: Titans Return''===
*Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod/Rodimus Cron

===''Transformers: Power of the Primes''===
*Rodimus Cron/Hot Rod
*[[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]

==Notes==
*When Judd Nelson left ''Suddenly Susan'' in 1999, he was replaced by his [[The Transformers: The Movie|movie]] co-star [[Eric Idle]]. Perhaps the casting director was a ''Transformers'' fan?
*Nelson appears in ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' via "VHS" footage of ''The Breakfast Club''.

==Convention appearances==
*[[BotCon 2016]]

== External links ==
*[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000555/ Judd Nelson at the Internet Movie Database]

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[[Category:English voice actors]]
[[Category:Convention guests]]
[[Category:Hasbro Studios]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame creators]]

The Champ

2025-08-03T18:57:20Z

Wack'd: /* Trivia */

{{episode|
|otherseries=''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|Transformers: Robots in Disguise]]'' (2015) ep 19
|image=RID-GroundpoundervsGrimlock.jpg
|caption=BAH GAWD KING IT'S A SLOBBERKNOCKER!
|prev=Deep Trouble (RID)
|next=The Trouble with Fixit
|title="The Champ"
|season=1
|season ep=19
|airdate= [[June 2]], [[2015]] (Australian iTunes) [[July 25]], 2015 (USA)
|production company=[[Allspark (company)|Hasbro Studios]]
|writer=[[Steven Melching]]
|animation studio=[[Polygon Pictures]], [[GONZO]] (2D)
|director=[[Vinton Heuck]]
|video=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwqmCejrWos
|videosite=YouTube
}}
'''When a Decepticon gladiator and his cheating manager enter a human demolition derby, Grimlock, Denny and Fixit pose as competitors.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:TheChamp Groundpounder and Headlock spot sign.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Here's the plan: win. If we lose, that's because you didn't follow the plan!]]
On a [[Crown City]] construction site, the Decepticons [[Groundpounder (RID)|Groundpounder]] and [[Headlock (RID)|Headlock]] are laying low. Gladiator Groundpounder is anxious to get back in the ring, and the pair spot a promo commercial for the demo derby at the [[Rumbledome]], including a monster machine bout featuring the dino-themed [[Mechanosaurus]].

The [[Autobot]]s are rearranging their [[stasis pod]] collection as Fixit works on repairing more of them. [[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]] picks up two pods at once in an attempt to impress [[Russell Clay|Russell]], but overbalances and sends [[Denny Clay|Denny]]'s forklift barreling towards Russell. [[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] gets Russell out of the way, but a loose pod knocks [[Strongarm (RID)|Strongarm]] and [[Sideswipe (RID 2015)|Sideswipe]] down. The others' irritation with Grimlock is interrupted by a message from [[Drift (RID)|Drift]], whose information allows Fixit to zero in on two Decepticon signals.

[[File:TheChamp Groundpounder vs Mechanosaurus.jpg|thumb|right|250px|I'd beat my chest to show off, but my back's hurtin'.]]
At the Rumbledome, a demolition derby ends and the [[Farnum|MC]] announces the main event, a bust up between Mechanosaurus and [[Truckalodon]]. The two dino-trucks clash, though it's not long before Truckalodon is on its side and the MC presents the winner's trophy to Mechanosaurus's driver [[Casey (RID)|Casey]]. Groundpounder makes his entrance, tossing the damaged Truckalodon aside and announcing his intent to take on Mechanosaurus himself. His coach Headlock gives him some prep talk as Casey gets her vehicle ready. After Groundpounder tosses Mechanosaurus around a few times, Casey unleashes the flamethrower, but it doesn't appear to faze the Decepticon.

Fixit pinpoints the Decepticon signals, but Russell's already found the Rumbledome's broadcast showing the fight in progress. Fixit, a gladiatorial aficionado, recognizes Groundpounder, whom he discovers was arrested for cheating. Bumblebee has Fixit fire up the [[GroundBridge]], though Fixit warns he hasn't worked out all the glitches. Grimlock's forced to stay at base for stealth reasons, however after passing through the GroundBridge, the other Autobots find themselves somewhere arctic. Fixit opens another portal, but the Autobots still arrive several hundred miles from [[Crown City]]. Giving instructions to the others at base to disguise Grimlock as a contestant, Bumblebee puts Denny in charge.

[[File:TheChamp Grimlock in disguise.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Now, this is how you walk the dinosaur.]]
Casey manages to pin Groundpounder to the wall with her rig, however Headlock crawls under Mechanosaurus and starts disconnecting things. Fixit spots the sabotage on the broadcast and is disappointed to learn Groundpounder was a cheater after all. Casey abandons Mechanosaurus as Groundpounder totals the rig. The MC, assuming the two Decepticons are simply more human-piloted rigs, presents them with the trophy and offers them a permanent spot in the show.

[[File:TheChamp Grimlock punches Groundpounder.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Rocky! Rocky! Rock-Sorry, wrong fight.]]
Fixit attempts to prepare Grimlock to face Groundpounder as Denny builds a rollcage so they can disguise Grimlock as a rig. They're soon presenting "Dino-bash" to the Rumbledome MC who is hesitant but agrees to let Grimlock enter. While another demolition derby takes place, Grimlock, Denny and Russell explore the facilities in an attempt to locate the Decepticons but are unable to. A short time later Grimlock and Denny are about to face Groundpounder in the dome itself, with Bumblebee's group is still stuck in traffic on city limits. Though Fixit warns Grimlock to fight smart, the Dinobot wades in and is promptly thrown around by Groundpounder. Denny's cage is battered during the fight, leaving him trapped inside. Grimlock starts successfully fighting back, and as the Rumbledome itself starts taking damage, the crowd flees. Headlock steps in to assist Groundpounder, leaving Grimlock on the defense before the two-Con onslaught. Fixit joins the fight as well, attacking Headlock and having Grimlock duplicate his moves. The two Decepticons are decked in time for Bumblebee's group to arrive and watch Grimlock finish off Groundpounder. Fixit releases Denny from the mangled cage while Headlock attempts to make a run for it, only to be arrested by Strongarm. As the Autobots are ready to return to the scrapyard, Russell presents the winner's trophy to Grimlock and Fixit.

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Sideswipe (RID 2015)|Sideswipe]] (3)
*[[Strongarm (RID)|Strongarm]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Fixit (RID)|Fixit]] (6)
*[[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]] (8)
*[[Drift (RID)|Drift]] (10)

|c2=
*[[Headlock (RID)|Headlock]] (1)
*[[Groundpounder (RID)|Groundpounder]] (2)

|c3=
*[[Denny Clay]] (7)
*[[Russell Clay]] (9)
*[[Farnum]] (11)
*Truckalodon's driver (12)
*[[Casey (RID)|Casey]] (13)

}}

==Quotes==
"Grimlock's going for the gold, but can this handsome Dinobot actually handle that much weight? Yes, he can! The crowd goes wild!" ''[applause noises]'' ''[falsetto]'' "Oh, Grimlock, you're so suave!"
:—'''Grimlock''' must be a fan of verbal cosplay

"But all that gladiator stuff was staged right? Just like pro-wrestling on Earth." 
"Wait, pro-wrestling is staged?"
:—'''Russell''' thinks that gladiatorial combat is a farce, and '''Denny''' suffers the disappointment we've all had to endure

'''Bumblebee:''' Grimlock, Denny's in charge. Do precisely what he says. 
'''Denny:''' Me?! 
'''Grimlock:''' Come on! 
'''Strongarm:''' Denny?! 
'''Bumblebee:''' He's the closest thing to a responsible adult. 
'''Drift:''' Then I ''respectfully'' suggest we make haste.
:— The Autobots continue to show faith in Denny's skills

"I knew Dinobots, I fought Dinobots. You're no Dinobot."
:—'''Groundpounder''' trash talking Mechanosaurus.

'''Denny:''' "Presenting... Dinobash!" 
'''Farnum:''' "Looks like it was made out of scrap." 
'''Grimlock:''' "Scrap? Lucky I don't squash you..." 
:— '''Grimlock''' channels his inner Decepticon/Knock Out

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
* [[Gladiatorial combat]] was previously established as a popular Cybertronian blood sport in other works of Aligned fiction, most prominently the ''[[Transformers: Exodus|Exodus]]'' novel and the ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon series.
* Groundpounder is said to hail from [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], which the aforementioned works of fiction described as a major player in the gladiator games. As he's stated to be the champion, he presumably debuted after [[Megatron (WFC)|Megatron]] left the career behind, or he was arrested prior to Megatron's own rise to fame.
* Bumblebee mentions the [[Elite Guard]], which has also been established as existing in the Aligned continuity family.

===Prisoner manifest===
* ''In stasis'': Hammerstrike, Bisk, 4/5ths of Chop Shop, Terrashock, Filch, Minitron, Springload, Ped, Quillfire, "that one with all the eyes", Malodor and the Skunkticons, Nightstrike, Vertebreak, Octopunch, Groundpounder, Headlock
* ''Known at large'': Steeljaw, 1/5th of Chop Shop, Thunderhoof, Underbite, Clampdown
* ''Released'': Grimlock
* ''Countless others all missing, presumed at large''

===Transformers references===
* The Rumbledome announcer refers to the various monster trucks as [[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|"beast machines"]].
* The Rumbledome manager asks if Grimlock [[fire-breath|breathes fire]], a traditional power for [[Grimlock (disambiguation)|Grimlock]]s.

===Real-world references===
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* Headlock is heavily based on ''Rocky'' coach Mickey Goodmill.
* The walkie-talkie codenames "Pigpen" and "Rubber Duck" are references to the C.W. McCall song "Convoy".
* Grimlock's sliding tail kick is more than a little similar to an infamous moment from ''[[Godzilla]] vs. Megalon''.
* Of course, the premise of a gorilla fighting a ''T''. ''rex'' is a reference to the showdown in ''[[King Kong]]''. This wouldn't be the [[Optimus Primal (BW)|first]] [[Megatron (BW)|time]] this was referenced in Transformers.
* Groundpounder's calling Mechanosaurus out as "no Dinobot" is a modification of the famous "Senator, you're no Jack Kennedy" speech given by Lloyd Bentsen to Dan Quayle during the 1988 vice presidential debate.
* Farnum's name harkens to 1800s live entertainment promoter and circus founder {{w|wikipedia|P. T. Barnum}}.

===Animation and technical errors===
* Right as Grimlock begins to stumble while carrying the two stasis pods, his shoulder pads are missing.

===Trivia===
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===Foreign localization===
'''Danish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Gladiatoren'''" ("The gladiator")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Finnish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Mestari'''" ("The master")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''French'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Le Champion'''" ("The Champion")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[June 17]], [[2015]]

'''Hungarian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Bajnokok és kihívók'''" ("Champions and Challengers")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 28]], 2015

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Il Campione'''" ("The Champion")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 15]], [[2015]]

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Monstercar Battle'''" (モンスターカー・バトル)
:*''Original airdate:'' [[October 25]], [[2015]]

'''Norwegian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Mesteren'''" ("The master")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Polish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Mistrz'''" ("The master")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[September 14]], 2015

'''Swedish'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Mästaren'''" ("The master")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2016 — ''Transformers Robots in Disguise'' — The Champ ([[Beyond Home Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2016 — ''Transformers Robots in Disguise'' — Season One ([[Shout! Factory]]) 

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[[Category:Robots in Disguise (2015) episodes]]

Subaru Kimura

2024-11-08T15:17:30Z

Wack'd:

[[File:Subaru-Kimura.jpeg|upright=1.66|thumb|Shattered Glass [[Banana Ice]].]]

'''Subaru Kimura''' (木村昴 ''Kimura Subaru'', b. [[June 19]], [[1990]]), born '''Subaru Samuel Bartsch''' (昴・サミュエル・バーチュ ''Subaru Samyueru Bāchu'') is a German-born Japanese actor and rapper who worked for Atomic Monkey. His most notable roles include Gian/Gouda Takeshi from ''Doraemon'', Kamen Rider Vice (and as a fictional iteration of himself) from ''Kamen Rider Revice'', Ichiro Yamada from ''Hypnosis Mic: Division Rap Battle: Rhyme Anima'', Aoi Todo from ''Jujutsu Kaisen'', and King Shark from ''Suicide Squad Isekai''.

In the world of dubbing, he played Winston Duke's role as M'Baku in the [[Marvel Comics|Marvel Cinematic Universe]], Knuckles the Echidna in the live-action film adaptation of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (video game)|Sonic the Hedgehog]]'', Dorn from ''Bad Boys: For Life'', and Hobie Brown/Spider-Punk from ''[[Spider-Man]]: Across the Spider-Verse''.

He joins [[Donarimasu|Masatoshi Hamada]] in the ignominious halls of Transformers alum who have worn blackface.
==Voice roles==
===''[[Transformers One (film)|Transformers One]]''===
*[[Megatron (One)|D-16/Megatron]]

==External links==
*[https://www.atomicmonkey.jp/amprofile/kimura.html Atomic Monkey profile] (defunct)

{{DEFAULTSORT:Kimura, Subaru}}
[[Category:Japanese voice actors|Kimura Subaru]]

File:Subaru-Kimura.jpeg

2024-11-08T15:07:38Z

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[[Subaru Kimura]].

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[[Category:Actor images]]

Transformers One (film)

2024-09-23T13:27:27Z

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|production companies=[[Hasbro Entertainment]] [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura|di Bonaventura Pictures]] Bayhem Films [[Paramount Animation]] New Republic Pictures
|distributor=[[Paramount Pictures]]
|executive producer=[[Steven Spielberg]] [[Zev Foreman]] [[Olivier Dumont]] [[Brian Oliver]] [[B.J. Farmer]] [[Matt Quigg]]
|producer=[[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] [[Tom DeSanto]] [[Don Murphy]] [[Michael Bay]] [[Mark Vahradian]] [[Aaron Dem]]
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'''''Transformers One''''' is an animated film released on [[September 20]], [[2024]]. It is written by [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]],<ref name="deadlinereveal">[https://deadline.com/2015/09/transformers-writers-room-akiva-goldsman-transformers-5-1201531918/ 'Transformers' Writers Room Wraps] on Deadline</ref> and directed by [[Josh Cooley]].<ref name="cooleyreveal">[https://deadline.com/2020/04/transformers-animated-movie-paramount-hasbro-toy-story-4-director-josh-cooley-1202921100/ Animated 'Transformers' Prequel Activated; 'Toy Story 4's Josh Cooley To Direct For Hasbro/eOne & Paramount]</ref> The movie is an origin story set on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] three billion years ago<ref name="collidercinemacon">[https://collider.com/transformers-one-animated-movie-title/ New ‘Transformers’ Animated Movie Rolls Out a New Title at CinemaCon] on Collider</ref><ref name="screenrantsandiegocomiccon">[https://screenrant.com/transformers-one-timeline-setting-takes-place// When Transformers One Takes Place In The Franchise Timeline] on Screen Rant</ref> in the days before the Autobot-Decepticon war, and focuses on [[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (One)|Megatron]] as they go from brothers-in-arms to enemies.<ref name="cooleyreveal" />

{{bigquote|The line between friend and enemy is not as clear as I once believed. Once it's crossed, there is no going back. Because some transformations are permanent...|[[Optimus Prime (One)|Optimus Prime]]}}

==Synopsis==
{{spoilers|Transformers One (film)|October 21}}

Long ago, the benevolent [[Primus]] sacrificed his life essence to become the planet [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and created the [[Thirteen|first generation of Transformers]], the [[Prime (rank)|Prime]]s. Thanks to the [[Matrix of Leadership]], [[energon]] flowed freely from the planet's core, and the Primes ruled justly for a time. However, when the [[Quintesson]]s invaded, the Primes were slain and the Matrix of Leadership was lost, leaving only [[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel Prime]] to guide what remained of their society. Without easy access to energon, Cybertron is now dependent on an underclass of manual laborers—"miners" born without [[transformation cog]]s—who physically extract what few veins of usable energon remain from the tunnels beneath the subterranean city of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], while Sentinel Prime searches for the Matrix on the surface of the planet. One miner, the impulsive [[Optimus Prime (One)|Orion Pax]], has been searching for information regarding the Matrix, in the hopes that finding the Matrix will allow him and his fellow miners to choose their own path in life. However, his latest break-in into the city archives draws the unwanted attention of two [[Guard (One)|guards]], leading to a chase through the Iacon streets until Orion's friend [[Megatron (One)|D-16]] bails him out. On the train to work, Orion, knowing that his friend idolizes the strongest Prime, gifts D-16 an old [[The Fallen|Megatronus Prime]] decal.

In the mines, D-16 and Orion work under the supervision of their captain [[Elita-1 (One)|Elita-1]], using jetpacks and deployable stents to keep Cybertron's shifting geology stable long enough for them to extract energon. However, [[Wheeljack (One)|Wheeljack]] accidentally hits a vein of unstable energon; when the explosion traps [[Jazz (One)|Jazz]], Orion and D-16 defy protocol and use a jetpack to save their coworker, but Elita is blamed for the disaster and is subsequently demoted to waste management duty by [[Darkwing (One)|Darkwing]]. That evening, Sentinel Prime returns to Iacon to announce that the search for the Matrix has still not turned up any new leads. To take the blow off this announcement, Sentinel announces that tomorrow will be the [[Iacon 5000]]. Orion tries to persuade D-16 to join him in the race, hoping that they can prove to the rest of Cybertron that mining bots deserve respect. Although D-16 has no interest in the idea, Orion ropes him into the plan on the day of the race; using jetpacks and some quick thinking to compensate for their inability to transform, the two briefly manage to take the lead, but ultimately place last after D-16 is injured on the home stretch.

In Iacon's medical center, Sentinel Prime meets with Orion and D-16; impressed with their performance in the race, he offers them a chance to tour the mines and help inspire the miners to work harder. However, Darkwing arrives before [[Airachnid (One)|Airachnid]] can escort them to Sentinel's private quarters; angered that he nearly lost the race to the pair, he banishes them to the planet's 50th sub-level, where they meet the eccentric [[Bumblebee (One)|B-127]]. The three accidentally discover an old beacon from the Quintesson war built into one of B-127's garbage statues, still broadcasting a set of coordinates located somewhere on the planet's surface. Orion, B-127, and D-16 decide to investigate, and stow away aboard a surface-bound garbage train after first convincing a reluctant Elita-1 to join them on their quest.

After arriving on the planet's surface, narrowly escaping the planet's volatile tectonic movements, and dodging a roaming Quintesson vessel, the four Cybertronians arrive at an hidden cave where the ancient Primes made their final stand against the Quintessons. Although the Matrix is nowhere to be found, Orion discovers that [[Alpha Trion (One)|Alpha Trion]]'s spark still pulses, and uses an [[energon cube]] to revive him. The four attempt to bring Trion up to speed on recent events, but their mention of "Sentinel Prime" causes Trion to reveal a terrible truth: Sentinel is an imposter, a former aide to the Primes who betrayed his leaders at the end of the war. When Sentinel tried to seize the Matrix of Leadership for himself, the artifact judged him unworthy and disappeared. Since then, Sentinel has deliberately stolen the transformation cogs from newly-created Transformers to keep them in the mines; the city's garbage trains are really transporting Cybertron's dwindling energon supplies to Quintesson ships, leaving barely enough for the people of Cybertron. These revelations leaves D-16 shattered, but Alpha Trion decides to give the team hope by gifting them the transformation cogs of his fallen comrades. When Sentinel's [[Death Tracker]]s arrive, Alpha Trion holds them off long enough for Orion and the others to escape using their new [[alternate mode]]s, even though his sacrifice ends in his capture and subsequent execution at Sentinel's hand.

Using the incriminating information encoded on a crystalline vessel, Orion and the team plan to return to Iacon and use the evidence to expose Sentinel as a traitor, although D-16's desire to kill Sentinel unnerves Orion. Before they can make it back to the city, however, they are captured by former members of Cybertron's [[High Guard]], who have been fighting a guerrilla war against the Quintessons ever since the fall of the Primes. D-16 seizes control of the faction after besting their leader [[Starscream (One)|Starscream]] in single combat, but Sentinel's forces discover their secret base; in the ensuing battle, D-16, B-127, Starscream, and many members of the High Guard are taken prisoner, and the crystal is destroyed. As Elita and Orion join forces with the remaining members of the Guard, D-16 discovers that Sentinel took the transformation cog of Megatronus when he killed him; when D-16 refuses to kneel, Sentinel humiliates his prisoner by taking his Megatronus decal and carving a crude copy of the symbol into D-16's chest.

Upon returning to Iacon, Orion rallies the miners to join forces with the High Guard and rebel against Sentinel's regime, while Elita and the High Guard commandeer a train and fly it into Sentinel's tower. Although D-16 desires to murder Sentinel, he is unable to defeat him before Orion uses incriminating recordings from Airachnid's memory to reveal Sentinel's many misdeeds to the people of Iacon. The subsequent revolt catches Sentinel off-guard, and gives D-16 the opening he needs to finish the fight. However, when D-16 attempts to execute Sentinel, Orion tries to convince him that they can be better than their enemies; their argument ends with D-16 accidentally shooting Orion when he leaps in the path of his [[fusion cannon]]. Although momentarily horrified by his actions, D-16 ultimately decides that he's done saving his former friend and lets Orion fall into Cybertron's core. As Orion falls, D-16—insistent that there will be no more Primes—rips Sentinel in half, seizes his transformation cog, and declares himself "Megatron" before leading the High Guard to ransack what's left of the city.

[[File:One-Megs-Prime-face-to-face.jpg|left|thumb|300px|Goodbye, brother.]]

Meanwhile, the mortally wounded Orion falls through the planetary strata until he finally reaches Cybertron's core. There, he encounters the spirits of the Primes, who announce that Primus has found him worthy of bearing the Matrix of Leadership. Reborn as "Optimus Prime", Optimus returns to the surface in time to stop Megatron from killing B-127 and Elita. In the ensuing duel, Optimus ultimately triumphs, but instead chooses to banish Megatron and his new allies. With the return of the Matrix of Leadership, Cybertron is restored to life; the former miners are granted transformation cogs of their own to become fully autonomous "[[Autobot]]s", and vow to defend Cybertron from any future Quintesson incursions. However, the Quintessons are not the only looming threat—in the shadows, Megatron and his followers rechristen themselves as "[[Decepticon]]s" and swear revenge.

{{--}}

==Cast==
{{featuredcharacters
|h1=Miners
|c1=
*[[Optimus Prime (One)|Orion Pax / Optimus Prime]] ([[Chris Hemsworth]])
*[[Megatron (One)|D-16 / Megatron]] ([[Brian Tyree Henry]])
*[[Elita-1 (One)|Elita-1]] ([[Scarlett Johansson]])
*[[Bumblebee (One)|B-127]] ([[Keegan-Michael Key]])
*[[Jazz (One)|Jazz]] ([[Evan Michael Lee]])
*[[Arcee (One)|Arcee]] ([[Jinny Chung]])
*[[Bluestreak (One)|Bluestreak]]
*[[Brawn (One)|Brawn]]


*[[Hound (One)|Hound]]
*[[Huffer (One)|Huffer]]
*[[Ironhide (One)|Ironhide]]<ref group=note name="uncredited">Denotes a character, or unidentified members of a group, who speaks, but has no credited voice actor. The performance was likely done by an ADR voice cast member.</ref>


*[[Mirage (One)|Mirage]]

*[[Prowl (One)|Prowl]]<ref group=note name="uncredited"/>
*[[Ratchet (One)|Ratchet]]
*[[Red Alert (One)|Red Alert]]
*[[Sideswipe (One)|Sideswipe]]<ref group=note name="uncredited"/>
*[[Sunstreaker (One)|Sunstreaker]]
*[[Wheeljack (One)|Wheeljack]]<ref group=note name="uncredited"/>
*[[Windcharger (One)|Windcharger]]

|h2=[[High Guard]]
|c2=
*[[Starscream (One)|Starscream]] ([[Steve Buscemi]])
*[[Soundwave (One)|Soundwave]] ([[Jon Bailey]])
*[[Shockwave (One)|Shockwave]] ([[Jason Konopisos-Alvarez]])
*[[Skywarp (One)|Skywarp]] (Josh Cooley)
*[[Thundercracker (One)|Thundercracker]]
*[[Dirge (One)|Dirge]]
*[[Ramjet (One)|Ramjet]]
*[[Thrust (One)|Thrust]]
*[[Slipstream (One)|Slipstream]]

|h3=[[Thirteen|Primes]]
|c3=
*[[Alpha Trion (One)|Alpha Trion]] ([[Laurence Fishburne]])
*[[Zeta Prime (One)|Zeta Prime]] ([[James Remar]])
*[[The Fallen|Megatronus Prime]]
*[[Alchemist Prime]]
*[[Amalgamous Prime]]
*[[Liege Maximo]]
*[[Micronus Prime]]
*[[Nexus Prime]]
*[[Onyx Prime]]
*[[Quintus Prime]]
*[[Solus Prime]]
*[[Vector Prime]]
*[[Prima]]

|c4=
*[[Sentinel Prime (One)|Sentinel Prime]] ([[Jon Hamm]])
*[[Airachnid (One)|Airachnid]] ([[Vanessa Liguori]])
*[[Quintesson High Commander]]
*[[Quintesson]]s
*[[Primus]]
*[[Death Tracker]]s<ref group=note name="uncredited"/>
*[[Guard (One)|Guards]] ([[Steve Blum]], Jason Konopisos-Alvarez)
*[[Announcer Bot]] (Steve Blum)

'''Racers'''
*[[Darkwing (One)|Darkwing]] ([[Isaac C. Singleton, Jr.]])
*[[Chromia (One)|Chromia]] (Jinny Chung)
*[[Injured Racer]] ([[Dillon Bryan]])

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}}
<references group=note/>

==Quotes==
"Are you ''crazy?!''" 
"Sure feels like it!"
:—'''D-16''' and '''Orion Pax''' summing up their initial relationship.

"Uh, why is he gagged?" 
"He wouldn't stop talking." 
"Even when he was unconscious?" 
"''ESPECIALLY'' WHEN HE WAS UNCONSCIOUS!" 
:—'''Elita-1''' asks '''Shockwave''' about B-127's restraints.

"Why should we follow you?" 
''(bumps fists together)'' 
"We will follow you!" 
:—'''Shockwave''' is convinced by '''Elita-1''''s "logical" argument.

'''Soundwave''': "What is our first move?" 
'''Orion Pax''': ''(quietly and intensely)'' "We roll out." 
'''Skywarp''': "...what?!" 
'''Elita-1''': ''(quietly)'' "Louder!" 
'''Orion Pax''': "TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT!"
:—Orion realizes that dramatic one-liners aren't that dramatic if no one can hear them.

"What defines a Transformer is not the cog in its chest but the spark that resides in their core... a spark that gives you the will to make your world better, and that is something Sentinel can ''never'' take from us. If we want to be in control of our own destiny, we will have to fight for it. Now is the time for us to stand up. For ourselves. Stand up for this injustice! I promise you, this fight will be worth it. Follow me; nothing can stop us when we stand together! Together as '''one!'''"
:—'''Orion Pax''' delivers his first heroic speech.

"It's over, Sentinel! You can't escape the truth!" 
"What truth? That I plucked the cogs from your newborn chests? Forced you to mine so I could pay off the Quintessons and live like a king? None of that matters! Because the truth... is ''What. I. Make it!"
:—'''Orion Pax''' learns '''Sentinel Prime''' won't go down without a fight.

"I'm ''done'' saving you."
:—<s>D-16</s> '''Megatron''' lets his ''former'' friend fall.

"Impossible... Primus gave ''you'' the Matrix?" 
"We could have built the future ''together!"'' 
"I'll build it myself, after I tear down everyone '''''IN MY WAY!'''''"
:-'''Megatron''' and '''Optimus Prime''' set the stage for eons of conflict to come.

"We were given the power to change our world, and you chose to destroy it. Just like Sentinel. You have betrayed Cybertron and its citizens, and you betrayed... ''me.'' Go. Take the High Guard, and leave. You are... banished from Iacon. It didn't have to end this way." 
"This isn't over, ''Prime.''"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Megatron''' share one final exchange.

"This is the greatest day of my life... I get to work for the ''government''!"
:—'''B-127''' knows a good benefits package when he sees one.

"And now we stand here together as one, proving we all have the the power to transform; to become who we were destined to be; to right wrongs; to make our world better. Because here, freedom and autonomy are the right of all sentient beings. Here, all are truly ''Autobots''. This message is a warning to all Quintessons: If you dare return to Cybertron, the Autobots will be waiting. ''I'' will be waiting. I am... ''Optimus Prime''."
:—'''Optimus Prime''' gives his first dramatic ending monologue...

"Sentinel the betrayer is dead. But his death has given life to a new enemy...a stronger enemy... a ''personal'' enemy. We will not be blinded by his deception! We are the ones who are... '''DECEPTICONS! ''RISE UP!'''''"
:—...and '''Megatron''' gives the coming darkness its new name.

==Continuity notes==
The movie that would ultimately become ''Transformers One'' entered preliminary development in early 2015, when the project was first pitched as part of a writer's room that would lay out a number of sequels, prequels, and spinoff films that would turn the ongoing [[live-action film series|slate of live-action movies]] into a proper "cinematic universe", an attempt to cash in on the then-meteoric hype of the {{w|Marvel Cinematic Universe}}. Like pretty much all the other "cinematic universes" pitched at around this time, this ambitious vision was not to be: following the box-office bomb that was ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', most of these projects were shelved, while others were heavily reworked—perhaps most infamously, ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' was reworked into a film that contradicted with the character's [[World War II]] flashbacks in ''The Last Knight'', shifting the film into a more ambiguous timeframe with regards to the other five live-action films.

It appears that a similar conceptual drift occurred over the course of ''Transformers One'''s production. When the film entered full production in mid-2020, ''One'' was said to be "separate and apart" from the ongoing live-action films, though at the time just how distinct the film would be from its predecessors remained a mystery. <ref name="cooleyreveal" /> When later asked if the film was a prequel to the live-action films, a reboot, or its own universe, director Josh Cooley answered "yes" to all of the above. <ref>[https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status/ Transformers ONE Director Confirms New Movie's Canon Status - ComicBook.com]</ref> While a few details and visual nods—such as Bumblebee's original name of "B-127"—referenced the live-action films, the film otherwise draws heavily upon the mythology first laid down in the [[Aligned continuity family|"Aligned" continuity family]], particularly in its depiction of Orion Pax and D-16 as former allies fighting against a corrupt Cybertronian government.

As the film's release date drew closer, multiple comments from the film's creatives indicated that the filmmakers viewed the movie as something entirely separate from the ongoing live-action films. In July, Josh Cooley stated that the film was set in a "new Transformers continuity" <ref>{{citesocial|quote= "Hey little nerd in my profile picture, what if I told you someday you'll create a new Transformers continuity, that begins earlier than anything you've seen on the Transformers lore timeline, with the greatest crew and cast ever assembled?"|link= https://x.com/CooleyUrFaceOff/status/1817235351095894510?t=Oju3b9v53cYIHlH4MLEsXg |name=Josh Cooley|site=Twitter|year=2024|month=7|day=27}}</ref>; in another interview from a week before release, di Bonaventura ultimately admitted that ''One'' didn't fit into the chronology of the live-action films, and described ''One'' and the live-action films as "two universes" that would be "[kept] separate". <ref>[https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ Is Transformers One a Prequel or Reboot? The Animated Movie's Origin Story Is Both, Director Says]</ref> These statements were ultimately borne out by the movie itself, which featured multiple plot points that are pretty much irreconcilable with the live-action films—early on, the film establishes that [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] is long dead, negating his appearance in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''; additionally, the movie ends with the newly christened Megatron killing Sentinel Prime, leaving no wiggle room for the events of ''[[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]'' to occur. As a result, the wiki has opted to treat the ''One'' franchise and any potential sequels as a new [[continuity family]], entirely separate from the ongoing live-action films.

==Transformers references==
* As with pretty much every major ''Transformers'' project since 2010, ''Transformers One'' is the latest interpretation of the Optimus and Megatron backstory that was originally established in [[Binder of Revelation|Hasbro's internal design documents]] and first laid down in ''[[Transformers: Exodus]]'', which consistently depicts the two as former friends who once fought against corruption and inequality on pre-war Cybertron before Megatron's extremism drove them apart. Notably, this version of the story portrays both Orion and Megatron as [[energon]] miners on the bottom of Cybertron's caste system—most other interpretations have instead depicted Orion as a somewhat higher-ranking data clerk. While other tellings of the story have Orion advocating for non-violent social change, this take on the origin ends with Orion Pax working alongside the future Decepticons to directly overthrow the reigning Prime, evoking IDW's ''[[The Transformers: Autocracy|Autocracy]]'' miniseries.
* Optimus Prime's original identity of "Orion Pax" is a name taken from the ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' episode "[[War Dawn (episode)|War Dawn]]". Notably, the cartoon's version of Orion Pax was also a manual laborer, although the film does seemingly pay homage to Orion Pax's other famous job by having him sneak into the Cybertronian Archives at the very beginning of the film. His one chest window also pays homage to the original "War Dawn" Orion Pax design.
* The 'bot who will one day be known as "Megatron" initially goes by the name "D-16", a moniker lifted from ''Exodus'' and itself based on the [[TakaraTomy]] ID number of the [[Megatron (G1)/toys#The Transformers|original G1 Megatron toy]]. D-16's original body—with a black, dome-shaped helmet and yellow eyes—references Megatron's [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel Comics appearance]], which in turn was based on concept art for an unproduced prototype version of the original Takara Micro Change figure.
* Sentinel Prime is based on [[Sentinel Zeta Prime]], former leader of Cybertron in the [[Aligned continuity family|"Aligned" continuity]]. Like that version of the character, this take on Sentinel Prime is explicitly a "false" Prime who never carried the Matrix of Leadership, and a puppet ruler who was appointed to the position by the Quintessons. Design-wise, this take on Sentinel combines his "Aligned" counterpart's blue and gold color scheme with the cape-like wing arrangement and double-sided blade from [[Sentinel Prime (ROTF)|''Dark of the Moon'' Sentinel Prime]], while his battle mode is loosely inspired by Sentinel's [[Apex Armor (G1)|Apex Armor]] from [[IDW Publishing]]'s ''[[The Transformers: Megatron Origin|Megatron Origin]]'' comic. He also has details from his [[Sentinel Prime (G1)#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' toy]] and his [[Sentinel Prime (Animated)|''Animated'' counterpart]]'s glorious chin.
* Primus's design seen in the hologram Orion plays invokes his ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' appearance, even using a simplified version of [[Primus#Cybertron|his toy]]'s transformation scheme, but with the origins of his [[Aligned continuity family|Aligned]] counterpart. The color scheme is drawn from his [[:File:WarWithinPrimus.jpg|Dreamwave look]].
*The [[Thirteen]], referred to only as the Primes in the film, are based on their Aligned counterparts for their backstory and designs. Vector, Solus, Alchemist, and Nexus Prime also draw from their ''[[:File:VectorPrime dvd.jpg|Cybertron]]'', ''[[:File:TheCitizen IaconusCitizens.jpg|Cyberverse]]'', ''[[:File:SolusPrime-PowerofthePrimes.jpg|Prime Wars Trilogy]]'', and ''[[:File:NexusPrimeflankedbyotherPrimes.jpg|Timelines]]'' designs, respectively. Megatronus Prime also has the [[Void Scepter]] from his ''Revenge of the Fallen'' design and a similar face to [[Tarn (G1)|Tarn]]. Megatronus's face becoming the in-universe inspiration for the Decepticon symbol reflects the real life story of [[Soundwave (G1)|G1 Soundwave]]'s face inspiring the iconic symbol.
*The mysterious [[Thirteenth Prime]] is replaced with Zeta Prime, who also takes [[Prima]]'s role as leader and Matrix-bearer, though Prima himself is still present. Zeta is based on his ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron (games)|War for Cybertron]]'' design.
* The film's main theme, "Resting Place of the Primes", and "The Fall" includes a leitmotif from the main theme of ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'', which was also composed by Brian Tyler.
* "The Fall" also plays a motif lifted from ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'s'' "[[Death of Optimus Prime]]" in a different key. More specifically, the motif is from when [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] flatlines and dies. Fitting, as "The Fall" plays when Orion Pax is dropped into Cybertron's core and Optimus Prime is born.
* When discussing their mining ability, Elita says Orion "[doesn't] have the touch or the power," a reference to the [[The Touch|beloved song]] from ''The Transformers: The Movie.''
* The Iacon 5000 derives from the Marvel UK ''The Transformers'' [[Source:Darn 'n' Blast#Issue 326|issue 326's "Darn 'n' Blast" letter page]]. Many of the racers in the Iacon 5000 are characters from G1 and ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (franchise)|Generation 2]]'', with their colors and vehicle modes next to their names on the leaderboard, though they do not correspond to specific models except for the miners, Darkwing, and Chromia.
** Racers based on their G1 counterparts include [[Mirage (One)|Mirage]], [[Clampdown (One)|Clampdown]], [[Silverbolt (One)|Silverbolt]], "[[Deadend (One)|Deadend]]", [[Slingshot (One)|Slingshot]], [[Cliffjumper (One)|Cliffjumper]], [[Dragstrip (One)|Dragstrip]], [[Swerve (One)|Swerve]], [[Powerglide (One)|Powerglide]], [[Jetstorm (One)|Jetstorm]], [[Windblade (One)|Windblade]], [[Afterburner (One)|Afterburner]], [[Blurr (One)|Blurr]], [[Fireflight (One)|Fireflight]], [[Cordon (One)|Cordon]], [[Breakdown (One)|Breakdown]], [[Swindle (One)|Swindle]], [[Tailgate (One)|Tailgate]], [[Lightspeed (One)|Lightspeed]], "[[Spinout (One)|Spinout]]", [[Greasepit (One)|Greasepit]], [[Scattershot (One)|Scattorshot]], [[Inferno (One)|Inferno]], [[Motormaster (One)|Motormaster]], and “[[Hotrod (One)|Hotrod]]”.
** Racers based on their G2 counterparts include [[Blowout (One)|Blowout]], [[High Beam (One)|High Beam]], [[Double Clutch (One)|Double Clutch]], [[Meanstreak (One)|Meanstreak]], [[Motormouth (One)|Motormouth]], [[Speedstream (One)|Speedstream]], "[[Roadrocket (One)|Roadrocket]]", [[Jolt (One)|Jolt]], and [[Staxx (One)|Staxx]].
** [[Override (One)|Override]] and [[Tankor (One)|Tankor]] are based on their ''[[Override (Cybertron)|Cybertron]]'' and ''[[Tankor (BM)|Beast Machines]]'' counterparts, respectively.
**Racers that are only named through dialogue are [[Tailwind (One)|Tailwind]], [[Strafe (One)|Strafe]] (spelled "Streak" in one version of the English subtitles), [[Skyfire (One)|Skyfire]], and original characters [[Thunderglide]] and [[Behemoth]]. Phew!
* Bumblebee's Cybertronian name being "B-127" originates from the ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' movie. Notably, while most people simply call him "Bee," B-127 is never once referred to as "Bumblebee" – likewise taking after the ''Bumblebee'' movie, where [[Bumblebee (Movie)|that version of B-127]] only gained the familiar name thanks to [[Charlie Watson]] after arriving on Earth.
* Elita-1 calls Orion, D-16 and B-127 a bunch of [[GoBots]].
* The notion of the Matrix of Leadership actively rejecting an "unworthy" candidate and disintegrating was a plot point in ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)| Revenge of the Fallen]]''. When Orion Pax ''does'' find the Matrix, it is hidden in the planet's core, evoking the climax of the ''War for Cybertron'' games. Perhaps coincidentally, the specific story beat of Megatron fatally wounding Orion Pax and dropping him into the planet's core, only for him to find the Matrix and return as Optimus Prime, was a plot point in [[Transformation (issue)|issue #9]] of ''Autocracy''.
* Alpha Trion's alternate mode being a leonine beast with a unicorn-esque horn is a direct homage to his [[Alpha Trion (G1)#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' toy]], itself based on his [[Alpha Trion (G1)#toys|cancelled 2001 toy]].
* The throne Starscream sits on is loosely based on the crown his [[Starscream (G1)|Generation 1 counterpart]] wore during his coronation in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''.<ref>[https://youtu.be/fo7EwIlSNAs?si=8y1UWHCLv46WKzE7&t=190 Brian Tyree Henry & Josh Cooley Dissect The Evolution Of Megatron | Transformers One Behind The Shot]</ref>
* Starscream has a normal-sounding voice when he first appears, but after D-16 crushes his [[voice box]] during their duel, his voice becomes shriller and scratchier in the style of [[Chris Latta]]'s portrayal of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original G1 cartoon]].
* Soundwave orders the High Guard to "[[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|eject]]" when descending on Sentinel's tower.
* During the battle in Sentinel Prime’s tower, Orion leaps into the air and shoots one of the Death Trackers, with his midair pose homaging Optimus Prime's famous midair shooting pose from ''The Transformers: The Movie''.
* Orion Pax jumps on top of Megatron's vehicle mode and rips off his tank barrel during their climactic duel, seemingly referencing the moment in ''The Transformers: The Movie'' where [[Kup (G1)|Kup]] does the same to [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]].
* In the second post-credits scene, Megatron brands the Decepticon insignia onto his troops much like his [[Megatron (Animated)|''Animated'' counterpart]] did in "[[A Bridge Too Close, Part I]]". Megatron also orders the Decepticons to "[[Roll out#Transformers_Animated|rise up]]", quoting his ''Animated'' counterpart who originated the phrase "transform and rise up" in "[[Megatron Rising - Part 2]]".
* Starscream's newly applied insignias are upside-down on his wings, just like his G1 cartoon version.
* While the newly christened Decepticons fire into the sky, the glow of the laser beams shines on Megatron's insignia in a way that homages the metallic effect of the original cartoon's Decepticon [[scene transition]].
* Sentinel Prime's Death Trackers take heavy inspiration from ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Transformers: Prime]]'''s [[Vehicon (Prime)|Vehicon]]s, in both their design and their role as generic enemy troopers.
* Megatron disposes of Sentinel Prime in the same manner that his [[Megatron (Movie)|live-action counterpart]] killed [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] — by bisecting the bot with his bare hands. Similarly, this is also how the [[Rainmaker]]s disposed of Sentinel in the [[2019 IDW continuity]].
* The Matrix of Leadership causing Energon to flow and 'killing' the planet when lost calls back to the [[AllSpark]].
* Cybertron's core where Orion sees the spirit of the Primes is a large nova of glowing blue energy, calling to mind Vector Sigma from past continuities (though Vector Sigma is usually yellow/orange), or perhaps a more apt comparison would be the appearance Primus's took in ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]''.
* Optimus spinning his axe to deflect Megatron's shots is the similar to how his Generation 1 counterpart did with spinning his hand holding a crystal shard to knock down Megatron in "[[Fire in the Sky]]".
* When both Orion Pax and Sentinel Prime die, [[aggressive depigmentation|their bodies turn grey]]. Of course, Orion doesn't stay long as he's no stranger to [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|dying]] nor coming back to life in a more powerful form.

==Real-life references==
* One of B-127's "friends" is named A-A-Tron. [https://youtu.be/WLAq3JVJ6Ho?si=pCUM9jk-soMFoVH-&t=165 Just don't mention the Glee club around him...]

==Errors==
* One of the cogless miners in the opening mine scene is clearly meant to be [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], with a black crest, red pelvis, and red pips on his shoulders. However, a later scene in Iacon's medical center has a voice on the intercom paging a "Medic Ratchet".

==Music==
A score album,''[[Transformers One (Music from the Motion Picture)]]'', features the original music by composer [[Brian Tyler]] and was released concurrently with the film. It notably repurposes a leitmotif from his work on [[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|''Transformers: Prime'']] into this film's main theme. The composer, under his electronic side project "Are We Dreaming", also produced the end credits song, "If I Fall", featuring rappers [[W:Quavo|Quavo]] (of Migos fame) and [[W:Ty Dolla $Sign|Ty Dolla $ign]].

==Development timeline==
[[File:Transformers-One-Teaser-Poster.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''There can be miracles when you believe Though hope is frail, it's hard to kill Who knows what miracles you can achieve When you believe, somehow you will You will when you believe'']]
* March 27, 2015 — As part of the development of ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|Transformers: The Last Knight]]'', [[Paramount Pictures]] negotiates with [[Akiva Goldsman]], hiring him to create a "writer's room" to build a cinematic universe.<ref name="goldsman">[https://deadline.com/2015/03/transformers-akiva-goldsman-paramount-sequels-spinoffs-1201400027/ Paramount Enlisting Akiva Goldsman To Ramp Up 'Transformers' Output] on deadline.com</ref> Among the writers hired are ''Ant-Man and the Wasp'' scribes [[Andrew Barrer]] and [[Gabriel Ferrari]], who pitch the concept of an animated ''Transformers'' prequel set in the [[Live-action film series|live-action series universe]].<ref name="barrerferrari">[https://deadline.com/2015/05/transformers-ant-man-andrew-barrer-gabriel-ferrari-cybertron-1201433402/ 'Ant-Man' Scribes Andrew Barrer & Gabriel Ferrari Join 'Transformers' Writers Room] on Deadline</ref>
* December 20, 2018 — Following the release of ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', [[Lorenzo di Bonaventura]] hints in an interview that the animated prequel is still in the works.<ref>[https://www.metro.us/will-there-be-a-bumblebee-2-whats-the-future-for-the-transformers-universe-heres-what-its-producer-told-us/ Lorenzo di Bonaventura interview for Metro USA]</ref>
* April 29, 2020 — Director [[Josh Cooley]] (''Toy Story 4'') is reported to have been brought into the project to oversee a final draft, which is said to be "separate and apart" from the live-action films.<ref name="cooleyreveal" />
* May 18, 2021 — [[Allspark Pictures]] President [[Greg Mooradian]] credits the animated ''Transformers'' film on his Linkedin page with a 2023 release.<ref>[https://www.linkedin.com/in/greg-mooradian-4a5062200/ Greg Mooradian's Linkedin:] "TRANSFORMERS (Animated Feature), with Oscar-winner Josh Cooley directing (2023 release)"</ref>
* May 24, 2021 — Hasbro CEO [[Brian Goldner]] confirms the animated feature is in development, and will be released at some point after ''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Transformers: Rise of the Beasts]]''.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2021/05/24/tfw2005-coverage-of-49th-j-p-morgan-conference-434088 TFW2005 Coverage Of 49th J.P. Morgan Conference]</ref>
* January 21, 2022 — Paramount announces an untitled animated Transformers movie will be released on July 19, 2024.<ref>[https://collider.com/new-transformers-animated-movie-release-date/ Collider: New 'Transformers' Animated Movie Release Date Set For 2024]</ref>
* April 20, 2023 — di Bonaventura reveals that the entire film takes place on Cybertron, and the setting explores how they begin to question the hierarchy of how their society has gotten stratified, and how the common man doesn't have the voice that they want to have.<ref name=collider2023>[https://collider.com/transformers-animated-movie-characters-plot-cybertron-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-comments/ Here’s What the New Animated ‘Transformers’ Movie Is About (Exclusive)]</ref>
* April 21, 2023 — A day after the previous interview, di Bonaventura confirms [[Industrial Light & Magic]]'s involvement as the film's animation studio, bringing the company back to the franchise for the first time since ''Bumblebee''.<ref>[https://collider.com/new-transformers-animated-movie-ilm-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-comments/ The New 'Transformers' Animated Movie Is Partnering With an Industry Giant for the CGI (Exclusive)]/</ref>
* April 27, 2023 — The first members of the film's voice cast are revealed, consisting of [[Chris Hemsworth]] as Optimus Prime, [[Brian Tyree Henry]] as Megatron, [[Scarlett Johansson]] as Elita, [[Keegan-Michael Key]] as Bumblebee, [[Jon Hamm]] as Sentinel Prime, and [[Laurence Fishburne]] as Alpha Trion.<ref>[https://variety.com/2023/film/news/transformers-animated-prequel-chris-hemsworth-scarlett-johansson-1235596692/ ‘Transformers’ Animated Prequel Sets Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson and More Voice Cast]</ref>
* May 24, 2023 — Paramount moves the film's release date to September 13, 2024.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2023/05/transformers-one-release-date-pushed-by-paramount-1235379167/ ‘Transformers One’: Paramount Pushes Date For Animated Feature]</ref>
* June 7, 2023 — di Bonaventura teases how the film stands out from previous entries in the franchise, praises Chris Hemsworth's casting as Optimus Prime, and mentions a vocal transition from Hemsworth's voice to [[Peter Cullen]]'s as the character for audiences to witness. [[Steve Desmond]] and [[Michael Sherman]] (''Knock at the Cabin'') were revealed to be additional writers for the film, but where uncredited when the final credit came in.<ref>[https://collider.com/transformers-one-chris-hemsworth-optimus-prime-lorenzo-di-bonaventura-comments/ 'Transformers One' Producer Is Already Hyped for Chris Hemsworth's Optimus Prime]</ref>
* June 15, 2023 — Scarlett Johansson discusses the film's animation and praises Cooley as director.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWqG5mlRxzs Scarlett Johansson Says Transformers One Looks So Cool]</ref> Chris Hemsworth later brings details on voicing Optimus Prime for the film and his reasoning he joined the project through his love of the script. He confirms that he will not use his regular voice for the character.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrsvSzWHoE Chris Hemsworth's Optimus Prime Sadly Won't Be Australian in Transformers One]</ref>
* July 20, 2023 — di Bonaventura confirms Optimus Prime and Megatron in the film will be depicted under their Orion Pax and D-16 identities.<ref>[https://onetakenews.com/2023/07/20/lorenzo-di-bonaventura-transformers-one/ Lorenzo di Bonaventura Teases Upcoming Film ‘Transformers: One’: “It’s Something I’ve Wanted To Do For A Long Time” (Exclusive)]</ref>
* December 15, 2023 — Keegan-Michael Key mentions his voice for Bumblebee is closer to his regular speaking voice.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLM71B5xmFY Transformers One: Keegan-Michael Key Reveals What Bumblebee Sounds Like in New Animated Film]</ref>
* April 11, 2024 — The cast of the movie previews the trailer and reveals a new logo for the film at Cinemacon 2024, The Hollywood Reporter also confirms [[Steve Buscemi]] has joined the cast.<ref>[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/transformers-one-animated-movie-chris-hemsworth-scarlett-johansson-1235871998/ Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson and Brian Tyree Henry Debut Origin Story 'Transformers One' - The Hollywood Reporter]</ref> During the presentation, Hemsworth revealed that Cullen served as a consultant on the getting the voice down.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-one-news-film-is-testing-very-well-and-peter-cullen-consulted-chris-hemsworth-on-voice/48127/ Transformers One News: Film is Testing Very Well and Peter Cullen Consulted Chris Hemsworth on Voice]</ref>
* April 16, 2024 — Chris Hemsworth and Brian Tyree Henry announce the date of the film's first trailer being on Thursday, April 18, 2024, as it will be launched into space.<ref>[https://collider.com/transformers-one-trailer-premiered-from-space/ The 'Transformers One' Trailer Will Be Premiered From Space - Collider]</ref>
[[File:TransformersOne-weatherballoon.jpg|right|thumb|250px|''So how do you judge what a man is worth? By what he [[Toy|builds or buys]]? You can never see with your eyes on Earth Look through Heaven's eyes Look at your life. Look at your life Look at your life through Heaven's eyes'']]
* April 18, 2024 — A livestream hosted by Chris Hemsworth and Brian Tyree Henry follows a small craft launched towards space, with a screen that plays the trailer once it reaches 125,000 feet. The movie's release date has been pushed back by one week, to September 20, reportedly to avoid the release conflicting with that of ''{{w|Beetlejuice Beetlejuice}}''.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2024/04/transformers-one-trailer-release-date-1235889037/ ‘Transformers One’ Launches Trailer In Space, A First For A Movie Studio; Pic Going Later In September]</ref> When asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, Cooley replies "yes to all of the above".<ref>[https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status/ Transformers ONE Director Confirms New Movie's Canon Status - ComicBook.com]</ref>
* May 20, 2024 — [[Brian Tyler]] is attached as the film's composer.<ref>[https://filmmusicreporter.com/2024/05/20/brian-tyler-scoring-josh-cooleys-transformers-one/ Brian Tyler Scoring Josh Cooley’s ‘Transformers One’ - Filmmusicreporter.com]</ref>
* June 7, 2024 — Production for the film is revealed to be finished in the following month.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/06/07/work-on-transformers-one-animated-movie-is-set-to-wrap-up-in-july-513038 Work On Transformers: One Animated Movie Is Set To Wrap Up In July - TFW2005]</ref>
* June 10, 2024 — A work-in-progress cut of the film was screened at the {{w|Annecy International Animation Film Festival}} to a standing ovation.<ref>[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/transformers-one-chris-hemsworth-scarlett-johansson-1235918820/ Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson’s ‘Transformers One’ Draws Laughs, Cheers in Its Annecy Debut - Hollywood Reporter]</ref>
* June 18, 2024 — Production designer Jason Scheier confirms animation for the film is finished.<ref>[https://twitter.com/ScheierJason/status/1803227407404638226/ Production Designer Jason Scheier's post on Twitter]</ref>
* June 24, 2024 — Cooley discusses how the film is in the "Old Republic" of Cybertron. D-16's backstory is being changed from being a gladiator champion to an Energon miner who is bunkmates with Orion Pax.<ref>[https://www.indiewire.com/features/animation/transformers-one-star-wars-old-republic-interview-1235017651/ ‘Transformers One’ Director Talks Bringing the Franchise to Its ‘Old Republic’ Era - Indiewire]</ref>
* June 27, 2024 — Sound-mixing for the film is finished, with production finally now complete around three months in advance of release.<ref>[https://www.instagram.com/p/C8vPCEUS3Bs/ @CooleyYourFaceOff - Instagram]</ref>
* July 9, 2024 — A panel for the film has been announced for [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2024 on Thursday, July 25 at 11:45 am PST at Hall H.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2024/07/transformers-one-comic-con-1236004636/ Paramount Animation & Hasbro Entertainment’s ‘Transformers One’ Will Be More Than Meets The Eye At San Diego Comic-Con]</ref>
* July 13, 2024 — Chris Hemsworth, Bryan Tyree Henry, and Keegan-Michael Key reveal a new clip of the main cast transforming for the first time at the Kids' Choice Awards 2024.<ref>[https://twitter.com/transformers/status/1812285185427431646/ Post from the official Transformers account on Twitter]</ref>
* July 23, 2024 — Cooley discusses how ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' influenced ''One''.<ref>[https://ew.com/transformers-one-comic-con-preview-optimus-prime-megatron-origin-story-8676886 Transformers One director reveals how infamous 1986 animated movie influenced new prequel film]</ref> A screening of the finished film was shown at a fan-event at Paramount Studios.<ref>[https://comicbook.com/anime/news/transformers-one-review-first-reactions/ Transformers One First Reactions are Raving Over "Best Transformers Film to Date"]</ref> Hemsworth talks about voicing Optimus Prime in the film and how his depiction stands out.<ref>[https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/transformers-one-chris-hemsworth-optimus-prime-orion-pax/ Chris Hemsworth on Becoming Optimus Prime for Transformers One (Exclusive)]</ref>
* July 24, 2024 — Several new posters are released, along with the announcement of a new trailer the following day at the SDCC panel.<ref>[https://twutter.com/transformers/status/1816111093917573615/ Second trailer announcement on Twitter]</ref>
* July 25, 202.4 — Details at the SDCC panel were revealed, along with the debut of the second trailer and Bucsemi's role announced to be Starscream.<ref>[https://deadline.com/2024/07/transformers-one-chris-hemsworth-comic-con-1236022134/ ‘Transformers One’ Ignites Comic-Con With Chris Hemsworth, Brian Tyree Henry & Keegan-Michael Key: How Two Best Friends Became Immortal Enemies]</ref> [[Eric Pearson]] was revealed to be an additional writer.<ref>[https://www.awn.com/news/paramount-drops-transformers-one-trailer-2 Paramount Drops ‘Transformers One’ Trailer #2]</ref>
* August 21, 2024 — A new clip of Orion Pax and D-16 competing in the Iacon 5000 race is released on Paramount's YouTube channel.<ref>[https://youtu.be/7o-bGIBZxdc?feature=shared/ TRANSFORMERS ONE Film Clip IACON Race Begins (2024)]</ref>
* August 23, 2024 — Evan Michael Lee is revealed to be voicing Jazz.<ref>[https://twitter.com/Evanmichaellee/status/1826960202920530306/ Evan Michael Lee on Twitter]</ref>
* August 24, 2024 — [[Jon Bailey]], [[Jason Konopisos-Alvarez]], [[Isaac C. Singleton, Jr.]] and [[Vanessa Liguori]] are revealed to be voicing Soundwave, Shockwave, Darkwing and Airachnid respectively, with Bailey reprising his role from ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]''.<ref>[https://punto.com.ph/paramount-pictures-our-crew-rolls-deep-meet-the-voice-cast-behind-the-characters-in-transformers-one-in-cinemas-september-18/ PARAMOUNT PICTURES : OUR CREW ROLLS DEEP: MEET THE VOICE CAST BEHIND THE CHARACTERS IN “TRANSFORMERS ONE,” IN CINEMAS SEPTEMBER 18 on Punzo.com]</ref>
*September 6, 2024 — The film's credits song, '[[If I Fall]]' by [[Quavo]], is released.<ref>[https://youtu.be/M3FCIf0HFnk?si=NB1J3bT9XNPOpKCc/ If I Fall (Music from the Motion Picture Transformers One / Lyric Video)]</ref>
*September 12, 2024 — In an interview, Lorenzo di Bonaventura clarifies that ''One'' doesn't directly connect to the live-action films, and describes them as "two universes" that will be "[kept] separate". However, he notes that ''One'' will likely have an influence on future live-action projects.<ref>[https://comicbook.com/movies/news/is-transformers-one-a-prequel-optimus-prime-origin-story-exclusive/ Is Transformers One a Prequel or Reboot? The Animated Movie's Origin Story Is Both, Director Says]</ref> The film's review embargo is also lifted, and the film debuts with an 89% "Fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-one-critic-reviews-are-out-currently-89-on-rotten-tomatoes/48337/ Transformers One Critic Reviews are Out, Currently 89% on Rotten Tomatoes]</ref>
*September 13, 2024 — The film's main theme is released.<ref>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFnuXrOH0fs/ Brian Tyler - Transformers One Theme | Transformers One (Music from the Motion Picture)]</ref>
* September 18, 2024 — An early fan event screening is held, preceded by a seven-minute featurette consisting of interview segments with Hemsworth, Henry, and Key, footage of main cast recording their dialogue, and some [https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1836584462341054907 hilarious trivia]. Attendees receive one of four exclusive keychains and poster prints featuring Orion Pax, D-16, B-127, or Elita-1.<ref>https://bleedingcool.com/movies/transformers-one-4-new-posters-tickets-go-on-sale-fan-screenings/</ref>
* September 20, 2024 — The first 300 ticket holders at participating theaters receive a poster print of {{w|Shadow the Hedgehog}} to promote the upcoming release of ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog (character)|Sonic the Hedgehog 3]]''.<ref>https://kotaku.com/sonic-3-shadow-print-transformers-one-theater-showtimes-1851649010</ref>

==Notes==
* Several international releases of the film edit any mention of Bee's "knife hands" to refer to them as "sword hands" instead.
* The credits feature a dedication to former Hasbro CEO [[Brian Goldner]], who passed away in October 2021.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''''Transformers/One''''' (トランスフォーマー/ONE ''Toransufōmā Wan'')
*''French:'' '''''Transformers : Le Commencement''''' (France, "Transformers: The Beginning"), '''''Transformers : Un''''' (Canada, "Transformers: One")
*''Mandarin:'' '''''Biànxíng Jīngāng: Qǐyuán''''' (变形金刚：起源, "Transformers: The Beginning")
*''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers: O Início''''' ("Transformers: The Beginning")
*''Korean:'' '''''Transformer ONE''''' (트랜스포머 ONE ''Teuraenseupomeo ONE'')
*''Russian:'' '''''Transformery: Nachalo''''' (Трансформеры: Начало, "Transformers: The Beginning")
*''Spanish:'' '''''Transformers One''''' (Spain), '''''Transformers : Uno''''' (Latin America, "Transformers: One")

==References==
{{reflist|2}}

[[Category:One| ]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Kid-appeal character

2024-09-12T23:34:43Z

Wack'd: /* Notes */

[[File:TF40thMovie-HumanFriends.jpg|right|thumb|right|upright=2|Cue the hijinks.]]''Transformers'' is mostly a kid-oriented franchise. While pretty much all the characters in the franchise are designed to be marketed to kids, many franchises feature one or more '''kid-appeal character'''s, characters specifically notable for their interactions with the show's cast of [[human]] protagonists. They might be specifically coded as "younger" then the rest of the cast, or possess a specific [[alternate mode]] that makes it easier for their human friend to catch a ride. Many of their adventures end with them completely failing to learn their lesson, and then doing it again. And again, and again and...

{{quote|This isn't another one of those "'''Bumblebee makes a friend'''" stories, is it?|[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] on the concept|"[[The Hunting Party (IDW)|The Hunting Party]]"}}
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==List of kid-appeal characters==
[[File:Wheelietftmslingshot.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|Finally, a kid-imitable weapon.]]

===Generation 1===
'''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' cartoon]]'''

*[[Hound (G1)|Hound]] spent a good deal of time with [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon]]'s [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|first]] [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2|three]] [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3|episodes]], but was soon supplanted by...
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]], who stayed with Spike for most of the series.
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] was [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]]'s closest friend at the beginning of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. This lasted for all of eighty minutes, as Hot Rod's upgrade into Rodimus Prime made him no longer "hip" enough, and he was replaced.
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] took over for the show's third season. Wheelie and Daniel went off on adventures like [[Surprise Party|stealing a ship to figure out when Ultra Magnus's birthday was and nearly getting killed repeatedly in the process]]. Exactly the sort of thing we want kids identifying with.
*[[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], the girl, filled in for the Daniel's Best Friend part in the final three episodes.
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'''''[[Transformers: The Headmasters (cartoon)|The Headmasters]]'''''
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] was still a companion to Daniel, even though they spent most of their time insulting each other.

'''''[[Transformers: Super-God Masterforce (cartoon)|Super-God Masterforce]]'''''
*The [[Headmaster Junior]]s were unique in that they served both as the token young humans and the kid-appeal Transformer characters.

'''''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|Victory]]'''''
*[[Holi]] was [[Jan Minakaze]]'s pal.

===Beast Era===
[[File:Nightscreambm.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|Popular amongst the blind kids, maybe.]]

'''''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]]'''''

*[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] was not only yellow, he had the impulsiveness and disregard for authority every kid-appeal bot needs. The only thing he lacked was a human friend, until [[Chak]] and [[Una]] showed up in the show's third season. Except for the [[Transmetal 2]] upgrade, and the whole of ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'', he was a pretty friendly guy, annoying the others with his childish enthusiasm.

'''''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Machines]]'''''
*[[Nightscream (BM)|Nightscream]] replaced Cheetor as the youngster of the Maximals since Cheetor had matured. Hasbro had such high hopes for this kid appeal character, that they made his toy a giant Ultra class figure! Unfortunately, his character was angry and bitter, so he didn't get much love. He never had a human friend either, since ''Beast Machines'' had no humans at all. He hung out with [[Noble (BM)|Noble]], though, so that's something.

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===''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Robots in Disguise]] (2001)''===
*[[Wedge (RID)|Wedge]] was the young, excitable hero who was hotheaded and naive, but was being primed for leadership.
*However, it was [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]], the ''other'' naive, excitable young hero, who had the special friendship with [[Koji Onishi|a human]].

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===[[Unicron Trilogy continuity family|Unicron Trilogy]]===
[[File:Hotshotironhidedw.jpg|right|thumb|Hot Shot passes the kid-appeal torch.]]

*[[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] was the token kid-appeal character of ''[[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]]'', hot-headed, unwilling to listen to his superiors, and suddenly thrust into a leadership role that lasted all of three episodes. Unfortunately, he ''grew up'', something no kid-appeal character should ever have to do, and was shortly replaced.
*[[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] took over once ''[[Transformers: Energon (franchise)|Energon]]'' rolled around. His tenure was mostly spent getting kicked by... uh... [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]]. They got along eventually, though.
*Hot Shot was young and goofy again in ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]],'' but the series' kids spent more time with the [[Recon Mini-Con Team]], particularly [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (the only one who could speak English).

===[[Live-action film series]]===

*[[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] was the first Autobot to arrive on Earth. His mission to search for the [[AllSpark]] led him to [[Sam Witwicky]], a boy whom he befriended over the course of his mission, and stayed with once it was over. Sam repaid him by making out with [[Mikaela Banes|Mikaela]] on top of him. Huh.
*[[Skids (ROTF)|Skids]] and [[Mudflap (ROTF)|Mudflap]] provide the kid appeal in scenes with the older, more serious, Autobots and [[NEST]] soldiers since Bumblebee is with Sam, and subsequently tag along on the main adventure and even get an action sequence with [[Devastator (ROTF)|Devastator]] to themselves - all while being foul-mouthed.
*For ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)|The Last Knight]]'', [[Izabella]] and [[Sqweeks]] were hyped up as the main kid-friendly characters on the block, as well as the baby Dinobots. While this did hold true for the first hour of the film, the plot pretty much forgets about them for the next hour of the film, leaving them without an appearance until the climax in which they don't do too much. Poor Sqweeks ended up being a complete shelf-warmer with his signature large-scale RC toy still clogging toy shelves until the end of the 2018 holidays!
*In ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'', the kid-appeal character is... well, we're going to let ''you'' figure this one out.
*''[[Transformers: Rise of the Beasts (film)|Rise of the Beasts]]'' sees Bumblebee take more of a backseat, with [[Mirage (ROTB)|Mirage]] being the new primary Autobot and kid-appeal character, usually seen as a nuisance by his more serious comrades, and also forming a bond with both [[Noah Díaz]] and his young brother [[Kris Díaz]].

===''[[Transformers Animated (franchise)|Animated]]''===
*[[Bumblebee (Animated)|Bumblebee]] (detecting a pattern yet?) is [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari Sumdac]]'s closest friend, human and bot alike. Once again, he is irrational and impulsive, which has only helped endear him to his small, fleshy friend (assuming, of course, she is fleshy...). Bumblebee was also originally supposed to be named Hot Shot, another yellow kid-appeal bot.

===[[Aligned continuity family]]===

*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Bumblebee]] returns, though [[Transformers: Prime (franchise)|this time]] he's not the only character with a guardian robot dynamic, as [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]] and [[Bulkhead (Prime)|Bulkhead]] are tasked with taking care of the [[Jack Darby|older]] [[Miko Nakadai|children]]. Regardless, as Bumblebee's friend is 12-year old [[Raf Esquivel]], he is the Autobot his age group are meant to relate to.
*[[Smokescreen (Prime)|Smokescreen]] is the eager new recruit that joined Team Prime in late season two. While he didn't have a human friend, he was [[Jack Darby|occasionally lent one.]] He replaced Bumblebee as the youngest member of the group.
*[[Bumblebee (WFC)|Our favorite yellow bot]] returns yet again for [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|the sequel]], but this time he's all grown up and the leader of a team. He still acts like a kid [[Adventures in Bumblebee-Sitting!|sometimes]]. Furthermore, Bumblebee seems to pass the mantle, though this time it seems to be arguably shared by his teammates: [[Grimlock (RID 2015)|Grimlock]], [[Strongarm (RID)|Strongarm]] and [[Sideswipe (RID)|Sideswipe]], the latter two of which ''never'' seem to get along.
*All five of the protagonists from ''[[Transformers: Rescue Bots Academy (cartoon)|Rescue Bots Academy]]'' ([[Hot Shot (Prime)|Hot Shot]], [[Whirl (RBA)|Whirl]], [[Hoist (RB)|Hoist]], [[Medix (RB)|Medix]], and [[Wedge (RBA)|Wedge]]) could count as this, as they all learn basic morals aimed at young children, and generally act younger than the other Cybertronians in this continuity. They're even [[scale]]d like children to the other bots!

===''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (franchise)|Cyberverse]]''===

*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] ''*sigh*'' yet again regains his position as the king of kid-appeal characters. Bonus points for Season 2 managing to add both [[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|Hot Rod]] ''and'' [[Cheetor (Cyberverse)|Cheetor]] into the mix. Hot Rod even takes center stage for most of Season 3, becoming the show's main star by that point.
* The show's distinct lack of human characters (despite spending a lot of time on Earth in the first season) means no human sidekick kid-appeal characters happened.

===''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|EarthSpark]]''===

*Virtually all the [[Terran]]s, who form an adopted sibling relationship with human protagonists [[Robby Malto|Robby]] and [[Mo Malto]]. [[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]] himself is cast in the role of a slightly older sibling.

==Notes==
*They have an overwhelming tendency to be yellow.
*Since 2007, they also have an overwhelming tendency to be named [[Bumblebee (disambiguation)|Bumblebee]]. We're [[Transformers (film)|not sure why]].
*Had [[trademark]] issues not gotten in the way at the time, ''Armada'' Hot Shot would have also been named "Bumblebee". After the 2007 movie had made "Bumblebee" an A-lister again (following a changed trademark situation enabling Hasbro to use the name again), this resulted in a reverse situation with the kid-appeal character from ''Animated'' having his name changed from "Hot Shot" (as that name had been established by the [[Unicron Trilogy]]) into "Bumblebee" (although [[Hot Shot (Animated)|Hot Shot]] later appears as a separate character in ''Animated'', with more similarities to his UT predecessor).
*''Animated'' Bumblebee was [[Bee in the City|once transported]] into the [[Transcendent Technomorph|TransTech]] universe, where he was often mistaken for other kid-appeal characters, including Wheelie, Cheetor, and Side Burn.

==External links==
*[[tvtropes:Main/KidAppealCharacter|TV Tropes article on Kid Appeal Characters]]

[[Category:Fan terminology]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-09-12T11:38:56Z

Wack'd: /* "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read */

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
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=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Gregg Berger]]:
** [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]])
** [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
** [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
** [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]])
** [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])
* [[Paul Eiding]]:
** [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]])
** [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]])
** [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]])
** [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles):
** [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]
**[[Sparkplug Witwicky]]
** [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]]
** [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]]

Starscream's character model was erroneously used for what was intended to be a generic grunt who ambushes Wheeljack and Bumblebee early in the episode. The table read captions list the Starscream lookalike's name as "Decepticon Leader", and his voice is provided by Gregg Berger. According to the wiki page for this episode, this character's voice was originally provided by Dan Gilvezan.

Additionally, Gilvezan provides the voice of an offscreen coworker of Sparkplug's (listed as "Crewman #1") during the Decepticon assault on the oil rig.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px|"Starscream, only a select few ever ''read.''"]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
**Kinchen now owns that Blaster figure that was shown in front of him, it was a gift from [[Hasbro]].
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

===France===
The event took place for 2 days instead of 3 (May 18th and 19th) in a few selected cinemas. The script reading with the original cast was screened with subtitles. The other episodes were screened in the original version with subtitles, rather than recovering one of the two French dubs or re-dubbing them as was the case in certain European countries. The ''Earthspark'' preview was apparently not shown.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-09-12T11:36:57Z

Wack'd: /* "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read */

My Nezha and Transformers

2024-08-06T12:41:54Z

Wack'd:

{{nav-Nezha}}
[[File:Nezha Poster.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.4|]]

'''''Nezha: Transformers''''' (哪吒与变形金刚 ''Nézhā yǔ Biànxíng Jīngāng'') is an upcoming (?) [[computer-generated imagery|computer-animated]] cartoon for the [[China|Chinese market]], a joint effort between [[Allspark Animation]] and [[China Central Television]] (CCTV). The series combines the cast of ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Transformers: Cyberverse]]'' with the story and characters of the 2003 cartoon ''The Legend of Nezha'', a previous CCTV production. The series follows the title character [[Nezha]], who allies with the [[Autobot]]s to defend the world against the evil [[Shiji]] and the [[Decepticon]]s.

Fifty-two 11-minute episodes were set to be produced. A trailer was released in December 2019.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2019/12/11/nezha-x-transformers-official-posters-and-promotional-video-402018 Nezha announcement trailer] at TFW2005</ref> According to former Hasbro CEO [[Brian Goldner]], broadcast stations outside of China had also expressed interest in taking on the show,<ref>[https://investor.hasbro.com/events/event-details/hasbro-first-quarter-2019-earnings-conference-call Hasbro First Quarter 2019 Earnings Conference Call]</ref> but no international distribution announcements were made.

The series vanished without a trace after this point, presumably due to development complications from the 2020 {{w|COVID-19 pandemic}}. However, a new trailer suddenly emerged in August 2024, revealing the show's new title of ''My Nezha and Transformers'' and that the series would be airing soon. Further information is still pending, but we're just as shocked this thing is actually coming out as you are.

==Storyline==

==Characters==
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] (Unknown)
*[[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)|Optimus Prime]] (Unknown)
*[[Prowl (Cyberverse)|Prowl]] (Unknown)
*[[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] (Unknown)
*[[Ratchet (Cyberverse)|Ratchet]] (Unknown)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] (Unknown)
*[[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]] (Unknown)
*[[Shockwave (Cyberverse)|Shockwave]] (Unknown)
**[[Shockwave's drones]]
*[[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]] (Unknown)

|h3=Other|c3=
*[[Nezha]] (Unknown)
*[[Xiaolongnü]] (Unknown)
*[[Lei Zhenzi]] (Unknown)
*[[Tu Xingsun]] (Unknown)
*[[Xiaozhuxiong]] (Unknown)
*[[Shiji]] (Unknown)

|nonumbering=true}}

==Episodes==
{{stub}}

==Home video releases==
''Maybe(???)'' Let's make sure it makes it out at all first.

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*''[https://www.iq.com/album/the-legend-of-nezha-2003-snmxdpmf49?lang=en_us The Legend of Nezha]'' English dub on Asian streaming platform iQIYI

[[Category:Nezha]]
[[Category:Television series]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-07-26T21:42:31Z

Wack'd: /* Trivia */

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
{{stub}}

=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]]: [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles)
* [[Paul Eiding]]: [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]]), [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]]), [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Gregg Berger]]: [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]]), [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]]), [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])

Starscream's character model was erroneously used for what was intended to be a generic grunt who ambushes Wheeljack and Bumblebee early in the episode. The table read captions list the Starscream lookalike's name as "Decepticon Leader", and his voice is provided by Gregg Berger. According to the wiki page for this episode, this character's voice was originally provided by Dan Gilvezan.

Additionally, Gilvezan provides the voice of an offscreen coworker of Sparkplug's (listed as "Crewman #1") during the Decepticon assault on the oil rig.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px|"Starscream, only a select few ever ''read.''"]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Transformers: The Wreckers

2024-07-04T23:48:01Z

Wack'd: /* Overview */

{{disambig2|the 2001 comic series|other meanings|Wreckers (disambiguation)}}

[[File:TheWreckers1 regcvr.JPG|thumb|upright=1.5|]]
'''''Transformers: The Wreckers''''' is a comic book series published by [[3H Productions]]. Originally intended as an ongoing series when it debuted at [[BotCon 2001]], a variety of factors subsequently saw it put on hiatus, retooled into a mini-series named '''''Transformers: Universe featuring The Wreckers''''', and then cancelled before ever finishing its story.

Set around the timeframe of the ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' cartoon, ''The Wreckers'' featured a large and eclectic cast that included both 3H's convention-exclusive toys and regular toyline characters not starring in other media. In addition to the titular [[Wreckers]], making their debut in American ''Transformers'' fiction, the series also features the [[Dinobot (BM)|''Beast Machines'' Dinobots]] and the [[Mutant (BW)|''Beast Wars'' Mutants]], all assembled by the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] to carry out enigmatic missions on other planets.

The series also played host to the ''[[Primeval Dawn|Beast Wars: Primeval Dawn]]'' backup story. Set prior to ''The Wreckers'' and serving as an "origin story" for several of its characters, ''Primeval Dawn'' debuted in issue #1 and was originally intended to spin out into a series of standalone motion comics. Ultimately, plans changed and it returned to being a backup strip in ''The Wreckers'', beginning in the "Director's Cut" of issue #2.

When 3H lost the ''Transformers'' convention license after the release of 2004's issue #3, ''The Wreckers'' was left unresolved for three years. Eventually, new license-holder [[Fun Publications]] would provide some closure with ''The Wreckers: Finale'', publishing the four pages of issue #4 which had been drawn before its cancellation, as well a brand-new illustrated prose conclusion for the series.

{{chapters|title=''Transformers: The Wreckers'' issues:
|prev=Reaching the Omega Point
|next=Transformers: Universe (comic)
|content=
*[[Departure|#1]]
*[[Betrayal|#2]]
*[[Disclosure|#3]]
*[[The Wreckers: Finale Part 1|#4]] (unreleased)
}}

{{chapters|title=''The Wreckers: Finale'' stories:|content=
*[[The Wreckers: Finale Part 1|Part I]]
*[[Wreckers: Finale Part II|Part II]]
}}

==Build-up==
3H's next big storyline was first teased at [[BotCon 2000]] with the release of the [[Apelinq (BM)|Apelinq]] toy, whose packaging placed the character in the ''Beast Machines'' setting and obliquely described him as leading a "highly-trained, elite team of Cybertronian commandos." The accompanying [[Terminus (issue)|convention comic]], meanwhile, was far less vague, seeing Apelinq give the Wreckers' iconic battle-cry of "Wreck and rule!", while also establishing that he was the shadowy stranger from [[BotCon 1997]]'s "[[Visitations]]" script reading.

Starting in January [[2001]], the ''BotCon: Beyond'' website began periodically revealing the new roster of Wreckers via the "[[VEHICON ALERT!]]" feature, taking the form of in-universe data readouts. To retain some mystery, many of the characters being newly introduced to 3H's stories had their names censored. Shortly after this feature concluded, another in-universe teaser began: "[[Apelinq's War Journals]]", which ran from February to June. These journal entries covered the title character's exploits leading up to his appearance in the BotCon 2000 comic, travelling from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] during the ''Beast Machines'' cartoon back to prehistoric [[Earth]].

==Overview==
After an encounter with Optimus Primal and Nightscream in the midst of their struggle with Megatron, the Wreckers, Dinobots and Mutants are each dispatched to a different planet by the Oracle. The story primarily follows the Wreckers as they travel to the 9th planet of the [[Archa system]], where a mysterious artifact awaits, as does betrayal from within their ranks. Recovering, the group moves on to another world where they take on a Quintesson passenger. The other teams, meanwhile, have walked into traps, as their Oracle-given missions turn out to be false messages sent by the Quintessons. Eventually the Dinobots and Wreckers return to Cybertron, to join the population there in defending it against an all-out Quintesson invasion.

The series suffered heavy interference from Hasbro, who reportedly required multiple changes to fit their ever-shifting toy plans.<ref>[http://www.camphortree.net/tf/tidbits/otfcc2004.txt Steve-o Stonebreaker's OTFCC 2004 notes]</ref> Originally, 3H intended for ''The Wreckers'' to be an ongoing comic that would serve as their main fiction for the foreseeable future, released via conventions and the fan club. As of summer 2002, shortly before the release of ''The Wreckers'' #2 at [[BotCon 2002]], the plan was that the book's opening story arc, titled "Enter the Wreckers", would conclude in a 48-page issue #4 at [[OTFCC 2003|BotCon 2003]]. This would be accompanied by two additional 16-page books: an interlude issue leading into the next ''Wreckers'' story arc, and a double-sided issue featuring side stories set during "Enter the Wreckers".<ref>[http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/jul2002/features/wwchicago_3h_rpt.shtml ASM report from Wizard World Chicago 2002]</ref>

These plans were derailed by Hasbro's insistence that 3H instead focus on producing fiction for the new [[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|''Universe'' toyline]], which led to ''no'' new ''Wreckers'' issues being released at the 2003 convention. [[Glen Hallit]] said Hasbro bluntly told them "we don't care about the Wreckers" ("exact quote)", and he wished they'd pushed back more against this. <ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/98174-3h-fiction-versus-modern-club-fiction/?p=2484815 Hallit speaking on AllSpark.com in 2014]</ref> Eventually, the series would be renamed ''Transformers: Universe featuring The Wreckers'', and continued with issue #3 and a "Director's Cut" of issue #2 at [[OTFCC 2004]]. With the main [[Transformers: Universe (comic)|''Universe'' title]] now set to become an ongoing series, ''The Wreckers'' was reworked into a limited series. Listings for ''The Wreckers'' #3 on the OTFCC website indicated a total of four issues, although by the time issue #4 was scripted, the series had apparently been extended to include at least a fifth installment. Ultimately, only four pages of issue #4 were drawn before 3H Productions lost their ''Transformers'' license, leaving the series incomplete.

Eventually, in [[2007]], those four pages were colored and printed in Fun Publications' [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)|club magazine]] as "[[The Wreckers: Finale Part 1]]", and the script for the entire issue was unofficially released to the fandom not long afterwards. A few months later, the story was concluded in the prose story "[[Wreckers: Finale Part II]]" on the Collectors' Club website, under a new creative team.

The series was rather heavily criticized by fans, in large part for starting off with an unmanageably huge cast, then solving that problem by brutally killing much of that cast off. The series also seemed to contain implicit criticism of the then-recent ''Beast Machines'' story, working hard to "undo" some of its events and concepts, as well as overt "fanwanking". Hallit would claim in 2014 that the intention wasn't to 'retcon' ''Beast Machines'' but that the Oracle had been hacked, and readers were meant to think something was up. (This doesn't quite make sense when characters outright said the Oracle was a Quintesson scheme.) <ref>[https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/98174-3h-fiction-versus-modern-club-fiction/?p=2484019 Hallit on Allspark]: "The intent, if we were allowed to finish the story, was that the Oracle wasn't retconned - it was being "hacked" and used for Cryotek's purposes. That didn't come across clear enough - we tried to make people think "hey! what the hell? - that's not right"."</ref>

==Creative team==
Issue #1 was scripted by [[Glen Hallit]] with assistance from [[Rob Gerbracht]], who subsequently took over as the lead writer for subsequent issues. Art for the first two issues was provided by [[Dan Khanna]], with [[Guido Guidi]] taking over for the third and unfinished fourth issues. Colors were handled by Khanna himself for issue #1, while [[Dreamwave Productions]], the then-current main ''Transformers'' comics publisher, provided colors for the original release of issue #2. The Director's Cut of issue #2 featured replacement colors by [[Hi-Fi Design]], while issue #3 was colored by [[Blond]].

When Fun Publications later completed the first four pages of issue #4, Guidi's lines were colored by [[Drew Eiden]] and [[Hans Kappers]]. The concluding prose story was written by [[Greg Sepelak]] and [[Trent Troop]], with new illustrations drawn by Guidi and colored by Eiden.

==References==
{{reflist}}

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Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-06-30T21:33:35Z

Wack'd: /* "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read */

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
{{stub}}

=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]]: [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles)
* [[Paul Eiding]]: [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]]), [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]]), [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Gregg Berger]]: [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]]), [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]]), [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])

Starscream's character model was erroneously used for what was intended to be a generic grunt who ambushes Wheeljack and Bumblebee early in the episode. The table read captions list the Starscream lookalike's name as "Decepticon Leader", and his voice is provided by Gregg Berger. According to the wiki page for this episode, this character's voice was originally provided by Dan Gilvezan.

Additionally, Gilvezan provides the voice of an offscreen coworker of Sparkplug's (listed as "Crewman #1") during the Decepticon assault on the oil rig.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-06-30T21:19:25Z

Wack'd: /* "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read */

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
{{stub}}

=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]]: [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles)
* [[Paul Eiding]]: [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]]), [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]]), [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Gregg Berger]]: [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]]), [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]]), [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])

Starscream's character model was erroneously used for what was intended to be a generic grunt who ambushes Wheeljack and Bumblebee early in the episode. The table read captions list the Starscream lookalike's name as "Decepticon Leader", and his voice is provided by Gregg Berger. According to the wiki page for this episode, this character's voice was originally provided by Dan Gilvezan.

Additionally, Gilvezan plays an unnamed crewman.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-06-30T21:18:17Z

Wack'd: /* "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read */

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
{{stub}}

=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]]: [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles)
* [[Paul Eiding]]: [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]]), [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]]), [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Gregg Berger]]: [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]]), [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]]), [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])

An error in the original episode used Starscream's character model for what was intended to be a generic grunt ambushing Wheeljack and Bumblebee early in the episode. The captions list the Starscream lookalike's name as "Decepticon Leader", his voice is provided by Gregg Berger. According to the wiki page for this episode, this character's voice was originally provided by Dan Gilvezan.

Additionally, Gilvezan plays an unnamed crewman.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-06-30T20:52:06Z

Wack'd: /* Trivia */ Cleaning up leftover text.

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
{{stub}}

=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]]: [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles)
* [[Paul Eiding]]: [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]]), [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]]), [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Gregg Berger]]: [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]]), [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]]), [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])

Additionally, Gilvezan plays an unnamed crewman, while Berger plays an unnamed Decepticon leader.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Transformers 40th Anniversary Event

2024-06-30T20:51:29Z

Wack'd: /* "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read */ Edited the cast list and trivia to be more informative for those who might not immediately know who's who.

[[File:Transformers-40th-Anniversary-Event-poster.jpg|thumb|200px]]
The '''''Transformers 40th Anniversary Event''''' was a theatrical event held on [[May 15]], [[May 18|18]], and [[May 19|19]], [[2024]] and distributed by [[Trafalgar Releasing]]. In addition to screening the first four episodes of the [[1984]] ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)|The Transformers]]'' cartoon, the main feature was a table read of "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]," performed by members of the original cast and other ''Transformers'' alumni. A plethora of ''Transformers'' commercials and an exclusive clip for the second season of ''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]'' was also shown.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20240519041902/https://transformers40thcinemaevent.com/ transformers40thcinemaevent.com]</ref>

{{quote|40 YEARS. ONE LEGACY.|press release<ref>[https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-announces-til-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary HASBRO ANNOUNCES ‘TIL ALL ARE ONE: TRANSFORMERS 40th ANNIVERSARY EVENT FEATURING EPISODES FROM THE TRANSFORMERS CLASSIC TV SHOW]</ref>}}

==Prelude==
{{stub}}

=="More than Meets the Eye, Part 1" table read==
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-table-read.jpg|thumb|250px]]
The cast opened by discussing the legacy of ''Transformers'', intercut with previous footage of them and clips from the cartoon (with a [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]]-themed border) before introducing themselves and their major roles. Within a similar Teletraan 1 border, the episode played on the left and the actors' performance played on the right, with their role labelled underneath (with red or purple coloration). In front of them were toys of the characters they play.

Actors reprising their roles from the original episode included:
*[[Michael Bell]]: [[Prowl (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Prowl]]
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]
*[[Peter Cullen]]: [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]]
*[[Frank Welker]]: [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]], [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Skywarp (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Skywarp]], [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]]

Actors replacing performers from the original episode included:
*[[Arif S. Kinchen]]: [[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (replacing [[Scatman Crothers]])
*[[Frank Todaro]]: [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], [[Sparkplug Witwicky]], [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Wheeljack]] (replacing [[Chris Latta]] in all roles)
* [[Paul Eiding]]: [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] (replacing [[Ken Sansom]]), [[Ratchet (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ratchet]] (replacing [[Don Messick]]), [[Teletraan I|Teletraan 1]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Thundercracker (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Thundercracker]] (replacing [[John Stephenson]])
*[[Dan Gilvezan]]: [[Shockwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Shockwave]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]])
*[[Gregg Berger]]: [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] (replacing [[Casey Kasem]]), [[Frank (G1)|Human Powerplant Worker #1]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (replacing [[Corey Burton]]), [[Joe (MTMTE)|Human Powerplant Worker #2]] (replacing [[Peter Cullen]]), [[Narrator]] (replacing [[Victor Caroli]])

Additionally, Gilvezan plays an unnamed crewman, while Berger plays an unnamed Decepticon leader.

After the read, a series of bloopers were played, intercut with Dan Gilvezan and Michael Bell reflecting.

===Trivia===
[[File:40th-Anniversary-Event-MTMTE1-Frank-Todaro.jpg|thumb|250px]]
* While Eiding, Berger, Kinchen, and Todaro were not originally in "More Than Meets The Eye, Part 1", all have a preexisting history with the Transformers franchise. Eiding and Berger were both in ''The Transformers'' in other roles, Eiding being most notable for his role as [[Perceptor_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Perceptor]] and Berger for his role as [[Grimlock_(G1)/Generation_1_cartoon_continuity|Grimlock]]. Kinchen had previously played [[Jazz_(WFC)|Jazz]] in [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|the 2015 ''Robots in Disguise'' cartoon]], while Todaro is perhaps best known for voicing Starscream in the ''[[Prime Wars Trilogy|Prime Wars]]'' and ''[[Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy (cartoon)|War for Cybertron]]'' trilogies.

Kinchen and Todaro from later series.
*''[[Vintage|Vintage G1]]'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Vintage G1|Blaster]] and ''[[Transformers Retro|Retro]]'' [[Skywarp (G1)/toys#Retro|Skywarp]] were placed in front of Kinchen, despite him not playing either and Blaster not even appearing in the first season! ''Retro'' [[Laserbeak (G1)/toys#Retro|Laserbeak]] was also incorrectly placed in front of Welker, though that is likely because he plays Soundwave.
*Two of Welker's readings have slight errors: Megatron's line, "Starscream, only a select few ever ''leave'' [lead]" and Soundwave's line, "We can concentrate the energy into Energon ''tubes'' [cubes] and store them in the new space cruiser."
*Jazz's line, "All systems go!", is not redubbed.
*Soundwave's lines, "Proceed, Thundercracker" and "Autobots are set to launch Megatron" are not redubbed.
*[[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]]'s animal effects are not redubbed.
*The commercial bumpers do not have narration.

==Other episodes==
"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]," "[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 3]]," and "[[Transport to Oblivion (episode)|Transport to Oblivion]]," played immediately after the table read, with the Teletraan 1 border and without the [[title sequence]]. Humorously, the end credits were sped up. Less humorously, these episodes used the lower quality [[Rhino Entertainment]] releases. The showing ended with the "Don't run away from home" [[public service announcement]], followed by a memoriam for [[Scatman Crothers]], [[Casey Kasem]], [[Don Messick]], [[Ken Sansom]], [[John Stephenson]], and [[Chris Latta]].

==International releases==
===Italy===
The Italian version of the event lacked most of the pre-show commercials, with only the ''EarthSpark'' preview being shown. The first episode, the other segments involving the cast, and the PSA were shown in English with subtitles, while the other episodes received a brand new dub.

===Germany===
In Germany viewers were shown the Earthspark preview and the first episode script-reading with the cast and the PSA. The three other episodes received a brand-new German dub, too.

{{stub}}

==Trivia==
*The existence of this event was revealed by Event Cinemas Australia on March 31<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/03/31/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-in-australia-507945 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening In Australia] at TFW2005</ref>, three days ahead of the official reveal.
*Megatron is drawn in the event poster with a gray cannon, which is coincidentally an [[animation error]] in "More than Meets the Eye, Part 1."
*Theater showtimes named the event as "Transformers''':''' 40th Anniversary Event."
*[[Hasbro Pulse]] ran a giveaway for two tickets to the event, along with a [[Deathsaurus (G1)#Legacy|HasLab Deathsaurus]].<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/04/19/till-all-are-one-transformers-40th-anniversary-event-giveaway-509235 Till All Are One: Transformers 40th Anniversary Event Giveaway!] at TFW2005</ref>
*Beverage cups and popcorn buckets, with 1984 ''The Transformers'' [[package art]], were sold at Regal and Cinemark theaters.<ref>[https://news.tfw2005.com/2024/05/12/transformers-40th-anniversary-reunion-screening-cups-and-popcorn-buckets-revealed-511265 Transformers 40th Anniversary Reunion Screening Cups and Popcorn Buckets Revealed] at TFW2005</ref>
*Unfortunately, Crothers's name is misspelled as "Scattman Crothers." The screen also misspelled Bluestreak's name as "Bluestreaker," and misattributed Huffer to Sansom instead of Stephenson. Furthermore, Sansom and Latta were not credited for Hound and Sparkplug, respectively.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZOpxx7DEoQ "Transformers Generation 1 S01 E01: Table Read!" on YouTube]

[[Category:Generation 1 media]]
[[Category:Real world films]]

Holger Fath

2024-05-12T22:43:01Z

Wack'd:

{{disambig3|Holger}}
[[Image:Holgerfath.jpg|right|thumb|300px|He's got the tooooooooooooooouuuch.]]

'''Holger Fath''' is a German producer/guitarist who has worked with [[Stan Bush]]. He was the producer of Stan Bush's album, ''In This Life'', which was re-released at [[BotCon 2007]] with the official [[BotCon]] theme, "[[Till All Are One (Transformers Theme)]]".

At [[BotCon 2009]]'s Paramount Party, Fath performed with Stan Bush.

He is a relentlessly cheerful man.

==External links==
*[http://www.fathcatmusic.com/ Fathcat Music]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20100108055817/http://www.metal-archives.com/band.php?id=98278 Holger Fath, guitarist of 1984 German melodic rock group, Nation] (archive copy)
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20070824075042/http://www.enlacemusical.com/c.php?id=10541 Holger Fath, guest guitarist for Bleth] (archive copy)
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3_EXxwDpq0 Holger Fath stars in Stan Bush's 2009 Linkin Park-esque remake of "The Touch"]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Fath, Holger}}
[[Category: Musicians]]
[[Category: Convention guests]]

Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity

2023-10-02T10:08:24Z

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[[File:IDWMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron A, Megatron B, Megatron Retailer's Incentive, Megatron Dynamic Forces Exclusive variant, and Megatron (Second Printing).]]
'''Megatron''' waged a battle to destroy the evil forces of the [[Senate]]! Then he ''continued'' to wage a war against the not-so-evil forces of freedom, organic life, and the very idea of an Autobot living. After [[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|some life-changing events]], he waged a war against the evil forces of his own past [[Decepticon Justice Division|legacy]]. Currently, however, Megatron's revolution has come full circle, waging a war against the evil forces of the [[Functionist Council]]!

Megatron is a master planner, constantly a step ahead of any opponent and even ahead of what he wants ''now'', preparing for anything he may want in the future. He has the physical might to overpower most foes but it's his mind that has one-upped three Primes and rival Decepticons. But his cold clinical nature is a front he has to struggle to keep up, as he's quick to anger and quicker to use excessive violence as his answer to any problem. Megatron's trying to change but he's spent such a long time revelling in violence, it may have been a lost cause from the start.

:*''First Appearance:'' [[Infiltration issue 4|''Transformers: Infiltration'' #4]]

{{quote|So long as you stand in my way—so long as '''anyone''' stands in my way, I will respond by killing. Murder on an '''industrial''' scale. Because in the final analysis, I would happily wade across a river of corpses, chest-deep in rust and grease and engine oil, just to crush the spark of the last Autobot standing. And I would not do so simply as a means to an end. No. I'd do it, Prime, because it would give me '''pleasure'''.|Megatron to Optimus Prime|"[[Chaos Theory Part 1]]"}}

{{quote|I once told Optimus that I kill for the sake of killing. I wanted to make him hurt me, you see, because when he hurts others, he hurts himself. And the thing is, when those words were in my head I didn't think I meant them; but when they left my mouth, I realized that I '''did'''. If the world thinks you're a monster, what does it matter? The world is '''wrong'''. But when you start to think of '''yourself''' as a monster...|Megatron on the previous quote|"[[slaughterhouse]]"}}

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==Fiction==
===Birth of a tyrant===
[[File:Mtmte17-point one percenter spark.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|right|Not so tough without a body, are ya?]]
'''Megatron of [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]]''' was the first "hybrid" Transformer, a powerful forged superspark in a constructed cold body. His [[spark]] came to life in the middle of a field full of newborn sparks, a so-called "[[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]]", on [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], the "Seething Moon". The hot spot remained dormant for ages until it was finally fertilized when [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] and [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] set foot on the ground in the year [[2013]]. Within an instant, the entire moon lit up, as a billion sparks suddenly flared to life all over its surface. [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] was the first to point out that one of the sparks was glowing green, which [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] recognized as a "superspark"—a vanishingly rare, insanely powerful [[Point One Percenter]]. Despite [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor's]] horrified protestations, Brainstorm immediately began to excavate and harvest the spark, {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}} taking it with him for future use. {{storylink|Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|This Calamitous Life}}

[[File:MTMTE37 megatron under construction.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.0|Megatron (Work in progress)]]
Megatron's original body, on the other hand, was one of many [[reproduction|constructed cold]] during the [[Silver Harvest]], specifically built in the 1st Cycle 012, during the era of [[functionism]], in [[Con Facility 113]]. The spark originally intended for this body was one generated from the [[Matrix of Leadership]] by [[Solomus|Tyrest]], but this spark was destroyed by [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]], who had travelled back in time alongside several other [[Autobot]]s, originally to ''prevent'' a time-travelling Brainstorm from killing Megatron and thereby unwittingly creating a [[Functionist Universe|dystopian alternate timeline]] in which the [[Functionist Council]] would rule [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. In the process, Brainstorm had also begun to erase data about Megatron, including his batch code. After Rewind had "killed" Megatron in order to prevent the destruction he knew the latter would come to wreak upon the universe, fellow time-travelling Autobot [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], who loathed the Functionists, took it upon himself to fix the timeline, taking advantage of a temporary distraction by nabbing the harvested Point One Percenter spark Brainstorm had taken back in time with him and placing it inside Megatron's now sparkless body—and thus Megatron was ''truly'' born. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

Megatron desired to be a medic, {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} but the doctrine of functionism was such that one's [[alternate mode]] denoted one's role in society, and one's role determined one's rights. With the true nature of his exceptionally rare spark evidently unknown, Megatron was assigned the task for which his body had been built: that of [[energon]] miner, a member of the lower class, toiling in a mine under [[Nova Point]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

[[File:ChaosTheory1 megatron symbol creation.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|... And thus the "Silica Fracturism" art movement was born.]]
An idealist, intellectual, and poet, Megatron was sickened by the caste-ridden social apartheid of [[Nominus Prime]]'s Cybertron, and so he wrote [[After the Ark: Nominus Prime and the Illusion of Progress|a treatise]] on how pacifist dissent and the exchange of ideas could change things. It was while he was sharing this work with his miner friend [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] over a drink in [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's New Oil House]] that the event occurred which would change the course of his life, as Impactor wound up being drawn into a bar brawl with some of the city's upper classes (inadvertently caused by a time-travelling Rung and a [[curly straw]]), and Megatron, who himself had actually ''not'' been involved in the brawl, instead cowering underneath a table, was among those arrested after the fracas. Megatron's writings had been growing in popularity and inspiring some dissent against the current regime, so in order to silence him, the [[Senate]] arranged for a police officer on their payroll, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], to kill him. Before Whirl could finish the job, however, police captain [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]], having discovered Megatron's innocence thanks to the bartender's testimony, arranged for his release. Despite Pax expressing support for the message of his writings, Megatron now found himself filled with rage and hate, disillusioned with his former ideology and realizing the power of applied violence. Angrily hurling the datapad on which he had written his treatise through a public info-screen, Megatron observed the jagged shape of the shattered glass, and later turned it into a [[insignia|symbol]] for his cause. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}}

[[File:MTMTE34 what you might call a thinker.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3|When considering the Grand Cybertronian Taxonomy, one question remains unanswered. Why am I always pictured with phallic-shaped items in awkward positions?]]
Megatron's samizdat writings began to circulate in Cybertron's underground, spawning the "[[Decepticon]]" movement, its name derived from its own slogan, "You are being deceived", warning the common 'bot of the Senate's true nature. Knowing that, at this stage, assassinating Megatron would merely make him a martyr, the Senate instead elected to relocate him off-planet, reassigning him to a mining facility on the world of [[Messatine]] while they tried their own schemes to defuse the growing Decepticon movement. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} It was there that Megatron met [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]], an elderly fellow miner who encouraged him to keep writing, and who, in addition to proofreading his works for him, smuggled each new tract back to Cybertron, helping to continue the spread of the Decepticon movement. When Terminus was maimed in a mining accident and had his fuel rations cut off, Megatron kept him alive by sharing his own [[energon]] with the old 'bot. Eventually, Senate agents [[Froid]] and [[Trepan]] were dispatched to Messatine to perform mind-altering [[Shadowplay]] upon Megatron, in order to cut his writings off at the source. Tased into submission and strapped to Trepan's operating table, Megatron was helpless to stop the [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] from beginning his vile work. Though the arrival of Froid's rival psychopathologist [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] fortunately forced Trepan to stop before Megatron's personality was altered, the experience left the miner with a lifelong fear of mnemosurgery. Subsequently, a mysterious surge of energy deep within the mine (inadvertently caused by a time-travelling Brainstorm) forced an evacuation of the facility; Megatron raced back to his quarters to carry Terminus to safety, but found his friend was not there. With time running out and no sign of Terminus anywhere, Megatron instead chose to save the stack of datapads containing his unpublished works—a decision that would haunt him. {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}}

[[File:MegatronOrigin1 first kill.jpg|thumb|upright=1.38|"You know, sometimes I think I was born with a leak, and any goodness I started with just slowly spilled out of me and now its all gone. And I'll never get it back in me. It's too late."]]
Megatron was relocated to [[Mining Outpost C-12]], and continued to seethe with hate and frustration in his new workplace. His discontent reached a peak when, some time later, [[Decimus|Senator Decimus]] arrived to announce that the mine was being automated and the workers would be relocated. When one of the Senator's guards killed a worker for insubordination and claims of Senate corruption, Megatron's fury boiled over and he hurled his pickaxe at Decimus. In turn, he was attacked by the Senator's guard, whom he killed by smashing his head to fragments—the first time he had ever taken a life. A riot erupted around him, but Megatron himself could only sit amongst the chaos, staring at his fuel-stained hands in abject horror, which allowed him to be easily pacified and rounded up with the other miners as the mayhem was quickly suppressed. En route to [[Penal Facility H-3|imprisonment]] back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], however, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] broke free and started a riot aboard [[Longshot (G1)|their ship]]. Megatron joined in their effort, and together, they overpowered their guards, took control of the ship, and disappeared into the [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]] underground. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 1|Megatron Origin #1}}

[[File:MegsOrigin2 Cykill.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Battle of the Awesome Voices!]]
After evading law enforcement, Megatron joined a team of underworld gladiators under the tutelage of [[Clench (G1)|Clench]]. Initially repulsed by killing his opponents, the games eventually turned him more brutal and excessive, and he took control of the entire operation from Clench. The opportunistic Senator [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], after seeing how much money there was in the underworld matches, covertly sent his agent [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] to offer Megatron weaponry and technology to upgrade himself and his comrades. Their meeting was spied upon by [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] and [[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]], agents from the Senate's forces, who Megatron slew. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} Subsequently, impressed by how he treated his animal-form [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|cassette partners]] as equals (in contradiction to the teachings of his Senate masters), Megatron invited Soundwave back to the gladiator pits and gave him permission to use his mind-reading abilities on him. Within Megatron's mind, Soundwave saw his honest desire for all Cybertronians to be true equals, and was so moved by it that he joined Megatron's cause. {{storylink|Soundwaves (issue)|Soundwaves}}

Gradually, Megatron used the gladiatorial games to drum up an army of violent malcontents, sending Soundwave to recruit more and more warriors to his cause. Such recruits included [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]], who he was presented with while having an arm he lost in a brawl replaced with a new limb that incorporated an [[energon mace]], {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} and the disenfranchised warrior [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], who was personally asked by Megatron to fight at his side when he attended a Decepticon rally, and whom Megatron rechristened "Deadlock", {{storylink|Drift issue 2|Drift #2}} and transformed into a capable Decepticon warrior. {{Storylink|Drift issue 3|Drift #3}} A wave of terrorism and sabotage spread across Cybertron at his command: bombings, wrecking factories and fuel plants, shutting down transport links, a mass poisoning to tank a corporation, and a very public kidnapping of Senator Decimus. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}}

Seeking to enhance his army even further, Megatron reached out to [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Senator Shockwave]], offering to supply him the resources he required to carry out his own mysterious experiments in exchange for his using the teachings of his lost mentor [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] to create a [[combiner]] that would serve the Decepticons. Shockwave cautioned that it could take some time, but Megatron was content to wait. {{storylink|Shockwaves}}

[[File:Apexthrone.JPG|upright=1.4|thumb|You should have gone to IKEA.]]
Despite all his efforts, Megatron believed that the Senate was still not taking the Decepticons seriously, so Soundwave formulated a plan for a declaration of intent that could be not denied: lure the Senate to Kaon and murder them. {{storylink|Soundwaves (issue)|Soundwaves}} In preparation for this scheme, Megatron offered to restore Shockwave's lost hands—a victim of [[empurata]]—believing that doing so might speed his work. {{storylink|Shockwaves}} The following day, in accordance with Soundwave's plan, Megatron and the Decepticons allowed themselves to be arrested by Sentinel Prime's men, after which Soundwave was freed on Ratbat's orders, while Starscream would ensure his own release by pretending to defect. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} Together, Soundwave and Starscream exterminated the entire Senate, then liberated Megatron and the rest of their comrades, in the process granting their leader the gift of a [[fusion cannon]] liberated from the Senate forces' armory. Megatron led his army against Sentinel Prime's men, killed Sentinel himself, and took control of Kaon, now ready to turn his insurgency into a full-blown war. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

After Sentinel Prime's body was laid to rest, his head inexplicably went missing. With the people of Cybertron unaware that Sentinel was a [[Titan Master]] who had disconnected from his [[Transtector]], the Decepticons were blamed for mutilating the corpse, allegations that Megatron denied. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

===Early days of war===
Megatron formally declared war on "[[Declaration Day]]" when he delivered a stirring speech from [[Nova Point|Nova Peak]]. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} The self-described "second order" he ever gave was that under no circumstances was any Decepticon to kill Whirl—Megatron wanted his old tormentor for himself. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} The growing Decepticon forces swiftly spread across six [[Polities of Cybertron|Torus-States]], {{storylink|Parasites}} and to combat them, Cybertron's new leader [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]] assembled a new military force, the "[[Autobot]]s", led by Megatron's old acquaintance [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]]. Researching his new opposite number, Megatron was intrigued to discover that his now-abandoned treatise had been a source of inspiration for Pax, who had even quoted from it when he confronted the Senate and openly accused them of corruption. {{storylink|Cause and Effect}} Early into the war, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] would admit to Pax that Megatron talked about him sometimes, when he was tired. When Pax asked what was said, Bludgeon told him that it would make "both of us feel ''uncomfortable''". {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}

[[File:Autocracy4 backroom meeting.jpg|upright=1.66|left|thumb|Megatron Delightful Destruction Exclusive Variant]]
When Orion Pax came close to Kaon during a mission, Megatron saw it as a chance to speak to him and had his Decepticons bring him in. {{storylink|The Hunt for Soundwave}} Megatron attempted to convince him that Zeta Prime was even worse than he appeared—that he had planned to let Orion die in [[Nyon]] so that he could use his death as pretext to invade the rebel-infested city and drain the citizens of their energon—and proposed they work together against him, but Orion refused to hear him and then escaped. Knowing the doubts he'd placed in his head would only serve to damage the Autobot cause, Megatron let him go. {{storylink|Cause and Effect}}

[[File:Autocracy8 megs and pax together.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Megatron, let's roll." "What you thinking?" "...Pub?"]]
Megatron continued to keep an eye on Orion Pax's activities, spying on his encounter with the Nyon insurgent [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]]. {{storylink|Ruins}} When Zeta Prime's [[Guardian robot|Omega Destructor]]s suddenly attacked Nyon, Megatron was surprised by how zealously the new Prime fought against the city's rebels, but his real interest still lay on how Orion would handle the crisis. {{storylink|Purge}} Orion turned on Zeta, who in turn attempted to kill him, prompting Megatron to intervene and force the Prime to retreat. Taking Orion back to Kaon, he again offered that they work together against Zeta's corruption, and this time the Autobot officer accepted. {{storylink|Choices}} As their combined forces invaded the [[Citadel]] in Iacon, Megatron and Orion Pax made their way inside and fought Zeta Prime in person. The battle ended with Megatron killing the Prime with a head shot, and with his objective complete, he then betrayed the injured Orion by shooting him in the back. {{storylink|Overthrown}} This moment lived in infamy as the point at which Megatron revealed his true colors, no longer couched in ideology; {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|Dinobot Hunt}} though curiously, an alternate report incorrectly implied he had assassinated Zeta from afar, sniping him with the rifle alternate mode of [[Vos (G1)|Vos]]. {{storylink|Bullets}} {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}}

[[File:Autocracy12 no you dont megatron.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|I can't be the only one with déjà vu here.]]
With Zeta dead, Megatron conquered Iacon and declared himself ruler of Cybertron. His soldiers patrolled the planet's streets to "keep the peace", mostly by hunting down and capturing any remaining Autobots who opposed him. {{storylink|Transformation (issue)|Transformation}} During his rule, Megatron attempted to sway the neutral Hot Rod into joining the Decepticons, but he decided otherwise upon witnessing Megatron ordering the execution of several Autobot prisoners. {{storylink|Rise}} Megatron was shocked to learn that Orion Pax had survived the betrayal and was organizing a rebellion against him under the name "Optimus Prime", and even more shocked that people actually had the courage to listen to him. He wasted no time in striking back against the rebels approaching the Citadel with the full force of his army. {{storylink|Broadcast}} During the battle, Megatron unleashed Zeta Prime's energy-draining [[vamparc ribbon|vamparc annihilator]], but when the gigantic [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] took out the cannon, Megatron fell to the streets and was confronted by Optimus Prime himself. He lost the ensuing [[The Transformers: The Movie|familiar-looking duel]] and was badly wounded after a failed attempt to defeat Prime by holding Hot Rod hostage, forcing him to escape aboard Astrotrain. As he fled, he warned Optimus that he hadn't won, he had only started a war unlike any Cybertron had ever seen. {{storylink|Endgame}}

[[File:Monstrosity3 Megatron and Pentius.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron insists on wearing his Darksiders cosplay when he's walking his pet Quintesson.]]
Before Megatron could recover from his injuries, he was betrayed by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]], who was gunning for the position of Decepticon leader (with aid from Starscream). As punishment for his failure to hold Iacon, Scorponok banished the wounded Megatron to the hell-world of [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. {{storylink|Derelicts}} Further injured in battle with some [[Junkion (species)|cannibalistic natives]], he stubbornly refused to give up and used the trash littering the world to patch himself up, leaving him with a mismatched, monstrous appearance. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} While searching for a way off Junkion, Megatron entered the wreckage of a starship and found a trapped [[Quintesson]] named [[Pentius]], who had mapped the planet and knew of an area known as the [[Pillar of Rust]] where starships may land and take off. Megatron freed the alien to guide him there, while also putting him in chains to serve as his slave. {{storylink|Faces of Darkness}}

[[File:Monstrosity7 megatron takes pentius spark.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|"Thanks for turning me into the psychopath I've been the whole time!"]]
While crossing the [[Acid Sea]] on the way to the Pillar, Megatron was attacked by [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] who pulled him into the depths. {{storylink|Rage (IDW)|Rage}} For reasons unknown he was then released, the creatures having allowed him to live. As he emerged, Pentius was waiting with a history lesson, telling him that Junkion was once a prosperous world until its inhabitants drained it of resources, leaving it the broken husk it is today: a fate that may also await Cybertron. Megatron rejected this possibility, declaring that under his rule, Cybertron—and his legacy—would last forever. {{storylink|Fallout (issue)|Fallout}} On arrival at the Pillar of Rust, Megatron was met by the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]], who had come to Junkion to finish what Scorponok had started by killing him. He was able to fight off several of his attackers, but [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gar]] was too much for him to handle in his injured state. Egged on and taunted by Pentius, Megatron realized he had one last resource left to use: the Quintesson himself. Telling Pentius that his legacy would live on within him, he tore out the alien's [[spark]] and used it to fuel himself, granting him enough power to defeat Hun-Gar. He spared the Terrorcons in exchange for their loyalty, then returned to Cybertron on their ship to take revenge on Scorponok and take back control of the Decepticons. {{storylink|Prey (issue)|Prey}}

[[File:Monstrosity12 strange turns.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, well, well... how the [[Microbots|tables turn]]...]]
Megatron returned to a Cybertron in chaos, as the ancient reptilian [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] had been unleashed by Scorponok and was in the midst of razing Iacon. After reasserting his leadership of the Decepticons by beating Scorponok nearly to death, he had Shockwave restore his body to its original shape and condition, {{storylink|The Illusion of Control}} and set out to investigate the Trypticon situation alone, unwilling to risk his soldiers in the face of the beast's uncontrolled fury. Finding an injured Optimus Prime on the battlefield, Megatron lectured him, but opted to leave him alive so that he could watch as the Decepticon leader defeated the enemy that Prime could not. Megatron was attacked by [[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]], but as they grappled, they were swallowed by Trypticon. {{storylink|Annihilation}} Within the giant, the pair set their differences aside to fend off the [[cyber-morphic predator]]s that populated his interior, and together, they destroyed Trypticon's internal power cell, taking him offline. A tense standoff between the Autobots and Decepticons followed as the two warriors emerged from within Trypticon, but both sides agreed to go their separate ways for the time being. Not long after the battle, however, Megatron removed Pentius's spark from within himself and installed it within Trypticon. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (issue)|Belly of the Beast}}

[[File:Primacy4 megatron imprisoned.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"I just need a feather from Laserbeak and I'll be out of here in no time..."]]
After being fully repaired following his ordeals, Megatron roused Trypticon by exploiting the connection they now shared thanks to both having borne Pentius's spark. Discovering that Trypticon now possessed the consciousness of Pentius, Megatron was immediately suspicious of the Quintesson's potential treachery and was staggered by the visions of undiluted evil he saw in the aliens' past via their spark-link, but Trypticon assured him that he was dedicated to their shared goal of breaking a world. {{storylink|Primacy issue 1|Primacy #1}} Using Trypticon's city-ship alternate mode, Megatron took to the stars, rounding up the scattered Decepticon army and even recruiting Junkions and Sharkticons. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} Returning to Cybertron in force, Megatron was content to wait and watch from the sidelines while his troops viciously tore into Iacon. Trypticon was defeated in battle by Metroplex, at which point Megatron's folly was revealed: through their link, Pentius mockingly revealed his intention to use Trypticon consume Cybertron once the Autobots and Decepticons had weakened each other. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}} Leaving his men with orders to burn Iacon to the ground if he failed in order to spare it such a fate, Megatron set off for Trypticon's fallen body in hopes that he would be able to remove Pentius's spark before the giant revived. Confronted atop Trypticon by Optimus Prime, Megatron tried to goad the Autobot leader into destroying him, believing that Pentius would be destroyed with him thanks to their link. Refusing to accept death as the answer, Optimus instead used the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to purify Megatron, burning Pentius's spark away; Megatron, however, vowed that he would never stop hating Optimus in spite of what he had done for him. Sadly resigned to the fact that the once-noble revolutionary he had admired was now lost, Optimus knocked out the weakened Megatron and took him into custody. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}
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===The spreading conflict===
[[File:MTMTE14 megatron vs overlord.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|"For you, the day Megatron graced your Pit was the most important Day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."]]
Megatron's forces were quick to come to his rescue however, breaking him out under cover of the night. {{storylink|Post}} Early in the continuing conflict, Megatron authored ''[[Towards Peace]]'', a new treatise to replace ''After the Ark'', in which he described continuing to fight the war until the very notion of conflict was literally inconceivable. Then and only then would he finally give up his fusion cannon. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} The earliest edition of the work featured a dedication to Terminus, which Megatron would later remove to reflect the lesson his friendship with Terminus had taught him: not to get attached. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Friendships were a weakness, and Megatron exploited this in the cruelest way possible: by corrupting Optimus Prime's old friend [[Tarn (G1)|Damus]], turning him into one of the most vicious, dedicated Decepticons of all, a devoted worshiper at the altar of Megatron, purely to hurt Prime. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}}

Megatron oversaw the creation of a class of super-warriors known as the [[Warriors Elite]], selecting only his most powerful troops to undergo the torturous upgrade, including [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]], a brilliant sadist and frequent opponent of his from his pit-fighting days who had developed an obsession with Megatron after the Decepticon leader dealt him his first ever defeat. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} At some point, he also created the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] to deal with traitors, and appointed Damus—now code-named "Tarn"—as its leader, {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} though he elected not to send them after Deadlock when he defected, valuing the warrior enough to instead dispatch [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]] to bring him in. {{storylink|Drift issue 2|Drift #2}} He would reportedly spend "half the war" searching for a way to remotely access a [[black hole]], in order to use [[antimatter]] for power, but never succeeded. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

[[File:ChaosTheory prime vs megatron montage.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Good times, bad times.]]
Megatron would personally clash with Optimus Prime many times; Optimus grew to respect and fear Megatron as a calm, calculating and measured opponent, while Megatron himself respected Prime's sheer power and his skill as a tactician and as a leader. {{storylink|Escalation issue 5|Escalation #5}} Megatron would later incorrectly recall their battle on [[Sherma Bridge]] during the [[Rorsha Campaign]] as the first time they met. Said battle was certainly momentous—every Autobot and Decepticon stopped fighting to witness their duel, during which Megatron's cannon arm was sliced off by Prime's [[energon-axe]], and he claimed revenge by throwing the Autobot leader off the bridge. As the war spread to other planets, they would meet again and again: during the [[Siege of Massunstrad]], Megatron sealed Prime in an anti-matter chamber; on [[Rada Mor]], Prime reduced Megatron to ashes with sentient explosives; and in the midst of the [[Vorsk Offensive]], Megatron was nearly sliced in half by Prime. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} Though he resisted [[Solomus|Tyrest]]'s attempts to find a "Two City-State Solution" to the war, he did agree to abide by the [[Tyrest Accord]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

Megatron took on a new pistol alternate mode for the [[Battle for Hell's Point]], during which he was used by [[Heretech]] to blast [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} During the same skirmish, Megatron took off half of Prime's face with his energon mace, but had a city block dropped on him by Prime in retribution, which shattered his [[transformation cog]] and trapped him in gun mode for two years. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} Prime was not the only old face that Megatron would see again during the war: during a battle on an aerial drilling platform over the [[Manganese Mountains]], Megatron came face-to-face with his old friend Impactor, and stood poised to execute him until Impactor gave him a moment's pause by recalling his old fondness for poetry. In this moment, Megatron was knocked from the platform by [[Springer (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Springer]] and sent plummeting to the mountains below. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers2-teleconference.jpg|upright=1.66|left|thumb|"We attack the Rice Krispies guys at dawn! Assuming Judd Hirsch delivers the goods."]]
At the war's zenith, Megatron sealed himself in an [[Omniglobe]] to absorb the relentless flood of data coming in from countless fronts. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} With total war going nowhere, he would go on to develop a six-stage [[infiltration protocol]] to be used for conquering targeted planets. The sixth phase called for outright planetary razing, and Megatron selected three of his Warriors Elite for this task: [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} Overlord, and [[Black Shadow (G1)|Black Shadow]]. He informed this trio of his decision via teleconference, but Overlord, tired of being used as someone else's weapon, refused. Megatron threatened to hunt Overlord down for his disobedience, {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}} but while the powerful warrior spent the rest of his life preparing for this conflict, Megatron never followed up and left him to stew in his own obsession. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

[[File:Stormbringer1 get up and fight.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|You don't gotta go home Prime but you can't stay here.]]
Deducing that the Autobot/Decepticon war would culminate in an energy crisis that would threatened the stability of Cybertron itself, Shockwave left Cybertron to secretly pursue alternate energy sources. Around 10,000 years ago, when Shockwave did not return, Megatron ordered Bludgeon to investigate his files, {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}} secretly assigning Soundwave to investigate Bludgeon {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}} and probe deeper into whatever it was Shockwave had created. {{storylink|Shockpoint}}

Shockwave's prediction soon proved accurate, and Cybertron found itself in the throes of an energy shortage. Decepticon scientist [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] came to Megatron with a revolutionary, controversial plan to stave off this energy death by [[Pretender|polydermal grafting]], a process where they encased themselves in "symbiotic carapaces", or shells created from living tissue. When Megatron dismissed him angrily and cut him down, Thunderwing did not abandon his research; instead, he experimented on himself. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3|Stormbringer #3}} {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer #4}} The process gave him immense power, but drove him insane. He became so dangerous that Megatron had to join forces with Optimus Prime to stop him. This battle at [[Thunderhead Pass]] accelerated the apocalypse destined to befall Cybertron, leaving it an uninhabitable, radioactive husk and forcing both armies to continue their war on other worlds. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} Megatron advocated that they simply destroy Cybertron to ensure that Thunderwing was destroyed, but Prime refused, and threatened to stop Megatron if he tried. Megatron agreed not to destroy the planet, but warned Prime that whatever happened was on his head. Shortly after the last big push by the Decepticons, Cybertron was abandoned by both factions. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #2}}

In the mid-19th century, Starscream reported to Megatron regarding a failed alliance with the [[Dire Wraith]]s and their unfeasibility as allies. Megatron congratulated Starscream... for finding yet another way to disappoint him. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}}

===Breaking protocol===
[[File:Infiltration4 enter megatron.jpg|upright=1.3|left|thumb|Megatron (Second Printing Preview)]]
In the early 21st century, when word reached Megatron that the infiltration unit led by [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]], stationed on the planet [[Earth]], had broken protocol, he headed for the planet to investigate. Examining the unit's abandoned bunker in [[Nebraska]] for information, he discovered that Starscream had stumbled across [[Ore-13]]—an incredible energy source that (unbeknownst to Megatron) was the result of Shockwave's experiments—and was planning to use it to usurp Megatron's command. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 4|Infiltration #4}} While studying the bunker's files, he was contacted by [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] with some distressing news: Bludgeon's investigations of Shockwave's files had led him to revive Thunderwing. Megatron ordered the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] to Cybertron, authorizing them to do whatever was necessary to destroy Thunderwing, including the destruction of their homeworld itself. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3|Stormbringer #3}} Just as he was handing down this order, Megatron was happened upon by [[Verity Carlo]], a human ally of the Autobot unit active on the planet, {{storylink|Infiltration issue 4|Infiltration #4}} but he utterly ignored her. The bunker was then leveled by an airstrike courtesy of [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]], who were merely covering their unit's tracks and unaware of Megatron's presence; when their leader furiously emerged from the wreckage, Skywarp attempted to explain their ignorance, but Megatron simply responded by blasting him out of the sky. Blitzwing favored opening fire rather than attempting explanations, so Megatron beat the stuffing out of him too, then set off for Starscream's new bunker in [[Oregon]]. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 5|Infiltration #5}}

[[File:Infiltration6 takeyourpunishment.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Those librarians are getting really strict on late returns.]]

{{quote|You will stand down. If you fight, you ''die''. There is no room anymore for mercy. In the end, you are ''all'' expendable. Choose.|Megatron's ultimatum to Starscream's renegade troops|[[Infiltration issue 6|''Infiltration'' #6]]}}

[[Orbital jump]]ing to Oregon, Megatron called Starscream out and ordered the team to stand down, disgusted to see such power games being played amongst his troops. His brief, chilling speech was enough to take the fight out of all but Starscream, who, powered-up on Ore-13, took Megatron on himself. Though the new power source made Starscream a formidable adversary, Megatron was still more deadly than he, and Starscream was taken out by a point-blank fusion cannon blast through his torso. Megatron ordered the Decepticons to ensure that Starscream survived, and then, observing the Autobots who had been watching the battle, announced that it was time to begin phase two. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6}}

In light of the discovery of Ore-13, Megatron took stock of Starscream's progress on Earth and elected to get the infiltration protocol back on track himself, calling a meeting of Starscream's former troops and making them aware, in no uncertain terms, that any further insurrections would be met with deadly force. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1|Escalation #1}} He continued to order his troops on Earth directly, {{storylink|Escalation issue 2|Escalation #2}} and was even able to revisit his past gun alternate mode, once again able to achieve the [[size changing|mass displacement]] the mode required thanks to the extra energy Ore-13 provided. {{storylink|Escalation issue 3|Escalation #3}}

[[File:Megsandspidy.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron/Spider-Man #1 Retailer's Incentive]]
With his forces joined by [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], a new arrival who Megatron suspected of having ulterior motives, {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}} the Decepticon leader initiated phase two of infiltration protocol by destabilizing relations between the European nations of [[Latveria]] and [[Symkaria]] through use of an aggression-inducing [[Psycho-Prism]], stolen from Latverian dictator [[Doctor Doom]]. When the superhero team known as the [[Avengers]] investigated the array the Decepticons' were using to broadcast the prism's signal, Megatron abducted the arachnid-powered [[Spider-Man]] to use as a subject for their [[mirror response mode]], {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part One}} draining the hero's powers and infusing himself and the other Decepticons with them. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}} He proceeded to forge a brief alliance with Doctor Doom, who helped him defeat and capture the allied Autobot/Avenger team who snuck inside the Decepticons' array, but when Doom's suggestion to threaten the captives in order to force the other heroes to lay down their arms failed, Megatron violently dissolved the partnership. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Three}} Emerging from the confines of the array to take on the Autobots and Avengers himself, Megatron refrained from engaging Prime, foreseeing a more intimate confrontation between the two of them in the near future, and instead turned his attention to destroying [[Iron Man]]'s Transformer-sized armor. The tables soon turned, however, when Doctor Doom freed the captive Autobots and used the Decepticon's mirror response technology to empower them. Defeated by these enhanced Autobots and with the Psycho-Prism destroyed by [[Wolverine (Marvel)|Wolverine]], Megatron used the last of his extra power to teleport the Decepticons out with an [[emergency warp-out]]. He refrained from departing alongside his warriors, intending to slaughter the Avengers for their interference, but when he was immobilized by Spider-Man's webbing, knocked to the ground by [[Luke Cage]], and rattled by a hail of Autobot fire, he finally warped-out with a final taunt to Optimus Prime of the battle yet to come between them. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Four}}
[[File:Escalation3-Massdisplacement.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Shock and Awe]]
With phase two of [[infiltration protocol]] properly underway, Megatron recognized that he ''should'' rightly withdraw and install a new unit commander on Earth, but could not resist the chance to try out his new Ore-13 empowered body, selecting the nation of [[Brasnya]], where Decepticon subterfuge was already underway, as his testing ground. {{storylink|Escalation issue 2|Escalation #2}} Allowing the Decepticon's [[facsimile construct]] [[Georgi Koska]] to wield him in pistol mode, Megatron had Koska use him to first sever a [[Russia]]n oil pipeline, and then to fire upon the soldiers who came to investigate, furthering the political and military tensions already brewing in the region. When word came through from Blitzwing that Optimus Prime and the Autobots had arrived, {{storylink|Escalation issue 3|Escalation #3}} Megatron at last engaged Optimus directly, {{storylink|Escalation issue 4|Escalation #4}} and although Prime was able to destroy his fusion cannon, the extra strength afforded Megatron by Ore-13 allowed him to physically beat Prime into submission, punching directly into his chest and crushing his [[spark]]. {{storylink|Escalation issue 5|Escalation #5}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} [[File:Escalation5 prime vs megs.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|''I got me a shovel I'm digging a ditch...'']] The horrified Autobots moved into a full but ineffective counterattack, their only edge being that Megatron had no long-range guns left. It turned out that Prime's apparent death was a desperate ruse when the Autobot leader countered with a surprise attack on Megatron, able to exploit Ore-13's weakness—the more it's used, the faster it burns itself out. Megatron almost collapsed from power loss and was forced to have Skywarp take him to safety before the Autobots could kill him. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6|Escalation #6}}

Furious over the embarrassing defeat, Megatron threw protocol out the window and ordered that Sixshot be summoned to the planet. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6|Escalation #6}} He took out some of his anger on Ramjet, who he discovered had been busy cooking up a plot to overthrow him; without saying a word, he beat the attempted traitor to death before tearing him apart and keeping his head as a trophy. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ramjet}}
[[File:Devastation5 decepticons attack.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''And I'm gonna fight for this four square feet of land Like a mean old son of a bitch'']]
Upon Sixshot's arrival, Megatron ordered him to utterly destroy the Autobots, and although the [[Phase Sixer]] questioned his early deployment, he was happy to go along with the abandonment of the phase structure. The other Decepticons, on the other hand, were worried that Megatron was losing his grip—and since they were too scared to tell him that, they decided to revive Starscream to do it for them. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation #1}} {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}} Megatron monitored Sixshot's attack on the Autobots' [[Ark-19]], ordering him to pursue the escape pod that broke away from the crashing craft, {{storylink|Devastation issue 2|Devastation #2}} but before he could obliterate the Autobots, Megatron was forced to recall him to deal with a new threat assaulting the Decepticon base—the alien [[Reaper]]s. {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation #4}} Unfortunately, the Reapers convinced Sixshot to side with them, and when an Ore-13 powered Starscream entered the fray to take Sixshot down, Megatron realized his troops had been conspiring against him. He decided not to punish them '''yet''', due to greater threat posed by the Reapers, {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} and entered battle alongside them all, even allowing Starscream to wield him in pistol mode against the aliens. After the invaders were dead, however, he turned on his men, starting with Blitzwing—but was forced to realize that they needed to remain united when it became apparent that their battle with the Reapers had made humanity inescapably aware of their existence {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation #6}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Grimlock}}
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===All Hail Megatron===
[[File:AHM7 megs rips out matrix.jpg||left|thumb|[[The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|"I don't think I'd have made a good medic. No patience."]]]]
While the Decepticons were occupied fighting the Reapers, the Autobots had left Earth to deal with the greater threat of an incursion by the [[Dead Universe]]. Exploiting their enemies' absence, Megatron and his men went to ground; when Autobots returned, they could find no trace of the Decepticons, who kept one step ahead of them for months. Secretly abducting [[Hunter O'Nion]], former [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] partner to the Autobot [[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]], Megatron and his men returned to Cybertron, where Megatron had [[Deluge (G2)|Deluge]] conduct experiments that bred a [[Insecticon swarm|swarm]] of monstrous [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]]. The experiments culminated in the creation of [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], who Megatron employed in a series of key tasks in his plan: the Insecticon obtained from Hunter's mind various Autobot secrets and codes, completed Shockwave's long-gestating combiner process, granting the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] the ability to combine into [[Devastator (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Devastator]], and created a working [[space bridge]] {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} based on designs sold to them by Sixshot in exchange for his freedom. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}}

Returning to Earth, the Decepticons staged a phony schism within their ranks, allowing the Autobots to believe that they had "disappeared" as a result of a power struggle that had split their ranks into two camps, one led by Megatron and one by Starscream. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} Starscream then approached Sunstreaker, whose experience as a Headmaster had left him bitter and jaded, with the proposition that the Autobots join with his forces against Megatron, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}} but when the Autobots arrived at the designated time and place, they were instead confronted by the united Decepticon army and quickly defeated by Devastator. After personally tearing the [[Matrix of Leadership]] from Optimus Prime's chest, Megatron marched the captive Autobots through the space bridge back to Cybertron, where the Insecticon swarm waited for them. Prime, however, was able to damage the bridge, causing it to deposit the Autobots a safe distance from the swarm, but in the process, fried his own circuits and left himself comatose. Though the Autobots had escaped the fate he had intended for them, Megatron had successfully exiled his enemies to their dead homeworld; moreover, using information and codes gained from Sunstreaker and Hunter, he concurrently orchestrated the event that would later be known as [[Surge (event)|The Surge]], as Decepticons stormed Autobot installations all across the galaxy, achieving total victory. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}}

[[File:AHM1 decepticons attack.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron's urban renewal program was off to a flying start.]]
With galaxy-wide domination accomplished, one year after the Decepticons' battle with the Reapers, Megatron chose Earth to become the new Decepticon homeworld. Together with his men, Megatron stormed [[New York City]], humiliating Starscream with a display of his greater capacity for destruction. When the US Air Force retaliated, Megatron shrugged off their fire and ordered the other Decepticons to engage them; when one damaged jet threw itself toward him in a suicide run, Megatron, outraged at the [[DJ (G1)|pilot]]'s temerity, destroyed it and its occupant with a furious swipe of his hand. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 1|All Hail Megatron #1}} When US Army forces arrived, Megatron ordered [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] dispatched to deal with them, then sent Devastator to destroy the subway tunnels leading out of the city. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 2|All Hail Megatron #2}} With New York secured, Megatron directed the Constructicons to begin building a new space bridge in the city's heart, and had a candid talk with Starscream, revealing his belief that the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]'s attitude and actions marked him as the embodiment of the Decepticon cause, even if he was blind to seeing it himself. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 3|All Hail Megatron #3}} After a series of further attacks on major American cities saw the country firmly crushed under the Decepticons' collective heel, Megatron made a propaganda speech to his men in the ruins of New York. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 4|All Hail Megatron #4}} As night fell upon the city, Megatron withdrew to privately gloat over the Matrix. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}}

[[File:AHM6MegatronVsIsrael.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Starscream just told Megatron that ''All Hail Megatron'' is going to go on for another six issues. He's taking it pretty well, all things considered.]]
As the Decepticons began attacking other countries around the globe, Megatron was questioned by Starscream on what the next step in his plan was. A recalcitrant Megatron merely informed him that it was merely time to savor their victory, but Starscream accused him of not ''having'' any plans post-victory, and was merely allowing his men to run wild to distract them from any notion of taking power for themselves. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} What Starscream did not realize was that Megatron did indeed have a plan: to defeat the Autobots, he had created an army of killers and monsters, but in order to create his perfect rule, that army would have to be destroyed, the dissenting, distasteful elements obliterated before Megatron's peace could dawn. Megatron was not distracting his warriors... he was ''waiting'' to see which of them would question and turn on him. Silently sorrowful to already know that such dissent would begin with Starscream, an otherwise-model Decepticon, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} Megatron withdrew to [[Israel]] for some silent reflection amid wholesale devastation. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

[[File:AHM10 megs vs devastator.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron's negotiations regarding the Constructicons' Work Union going unusually SMOOTHLY this time around.]]
Some time later, Megatron surveyed the space bridge Bombshell and the Constructicons had built in New York. He congratulated Bombshell on his work, but revealed that he had always foreseen Bombshell's intellect as a danger—had always known he and his fellow Insecticons would side with Starscream when the time came. His gambit exposed, Starscream made his move and attacked, but the Insecticons proved no match for Megatron's might. The Decepticon leader had failed to anticipate one thing, however: he did not foresee the Constructicons siding with Starscream, and found himself having to fight the mighty Devastator. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} The in-fighting was halted by a last-ditch attack by the mustered might of what remained of the human resistance, forcing Megatron and Starscream to put their differences aside momentarily and organize a defense. This attack came as no surprise to Megatron, but the same could not be said for the next entrants onto the battlefield: the Autobots had returned.

After assuring Starscream that he would be leader in the future, when his time was done, Megatron confronted Optimus Prime, surprised not so much that his old foe had survived, but that he had bothered to return to Earth. Both leaders had always maintained a policy of acceptable losses through their millennia-long war, so Megatron assumed Prime had come back for selfish reasons, to reclaim the Matrix, but Prime insisted that he had changed, and would no longer allow their cold war to endanger innocent lives on this scale. [[File:AHM12 prime vs megs.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Like Homer Simpson putting on his pants, the struggle between Optimus Prime and Megatron remains eternal. [[...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|Almost.]]]] Megatron scoffed at the notion, reavling that Prime's supposedly "innocent" humans were planning to [[Nuclear weapon|nuke]] New York, killing millions of their own just to get rid of the Decepticons, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} but Prime retorted that it wasn't ''just'' about the humans, but also about the difference between Autobots and Decepticons. The two came to blows, but Megatron triumphed in short order and commanded the Decepticons to depart, leaving the Autobots to be killed by the humans' nuke... but just before they withdrew, he was shot in the face by human soldier [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Spike Witwicky]], wielding a powerful weapon reverse-engineered from Cybertronian technology. Injured and disoriented by the blast, Megatron was finished off when Prime smashed his face in with his own fusion cannon. As he wanted to ''take'' leadership rather than just have it fall in his hands, Starscream picked up his damaged leader and ordered the Decepticons to retreat. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[File:AllHisEngines-Megatron.jpg|thumb|Pretty sure when you float in a bacta tank you're supposed to be wearing a diaper.]]
The Decepticons departed Earth aboard Astrotrain, where the gravely wounded Megatron was put on life support and tended to by Soundwave and his cassettes. With Megatron's life signs only at ten percent capacity, Starscream attempted to appeal to Soundwave's sense of logic and have him shut down so that leadership could be his, but Soundwave refused. Starscream was soon able to take command, however, when he recovered the Matrix of Leadership and professed to have been chosen by it. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

===New body, new powers===
The Decepticons eventually settled on a desolate asteroid, where Megatron was installed in a [[CR chamber|CR tank]]. Retaining some level of awareness of the events occurring around him during his convalescence, he was forced to watch as his army languished in inactivity, their energy slowly ebbing away until they were reduced to cannibalism. {{storylink|All His Engines}} After a year of trying to free his leader from this living death, Soundwave was finally forced to conclude that Megatron's body was beyond repair, and recruited the recently returned Shockwave, whom Starscream had provided with the majority of the Decepticons' resources to create a space bridge, to help build a new body for Megatron's consciousness to inhabit. The operation succeeded and Megatron was reborn in a deadly new body, powered by Ore-13, armed with a devastatingly powerful rail gun, and even equipped with space bridge nodes stolen from Metroplex, which gave him the ability to open space bridge portals on his own. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}}

[[File:IDWongoing15 megatrons new body.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|"Uh, it's like...did anyone ever see the movie ''Tron''?"]]
Back in action, Megatron devised a plan to destabilize the relationship between the humans and Autobots on Earth. Together with Soundwave and Shockwave, he chopped up his old body and used it to create human-scaled replicas of his former gun mode, containing small pieces of his own consciousness. When Starscream caught them in the act, Megatron elected to table his plan for the moment, as he considered it folly to go against Starscream's wishes for the moment since the Seeker was still in possession of the Matrix of Leadership. Megatron had never truly understood what the talisman ''did'', but it served as a threat merely by being an unknown variable. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} Fortunately, for Megatron this variable was soon removed from the equation when Hot Rod, estranged from the Earthbound Autobots, infiltrated the Decepticons' asteroid base and recovered the Matrix from Starscream. Megatron seized his chance, intercepting the Autobot and blasting him and the Matrix out into the void of space. {{storylink|Heart Like a Wheel}}

[[File:SLMegatron stealth bomber mode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Behold... the ''Bomberang!'']]
With Starscream's trump card now gone, Megatron had the Decepticons gathered so he could address them. Distrustful of Shockwave's motives for preparing his new body, wary of Soundwave's constant surveillance, and repulsed by the state of his once fearsome Decepticon war machine, Megatron decided that he needed to unequivocally reestablish dominance over the now Matrix-less Starscream. He intended to beat Starscream near to death as a means of letting them both work out their frustrations with Starscream's inability to lead effectively during Megatron's absence, but Starscream did not want to fight—spiritually broken by his failures, he simply wanted Megatron to kill him. Rather than accept this, Megatron instead goaded Starscream into opening fire upon him. This began a running battle between the two, with Megatron pursuing the fleeing Seeker in his new stealth bomber alternate mode, continuing to bait Starscream every time he appeared willing to give up the fight. Incensed by Starscream's accusation that he did not know what it felt like to see everything he had worked for fall apart, when that was exactly what Starscream's pitiful leadership had done to the empire he had created, Megatron pummeled him to within an inch of his life, then paused to explain why he kept a schemer like Starscream around: as a constant reminder to watch his back. The brutal display galvanized the languid Decepticons, and Megatron was ready to begin his scheme. {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}}

[[File:IDWongoing14 megatron guns.jpg|upright=1.66|left|thumb|Megatron doesn't support the NRA. He IS the NRA.]]
Roughly two years after the Decepticons' defeat on Earth, Megatron used his space bridge powers to dispatch a container full of the guns made from his old body to Earth, where they were found by South American gun-runners and illegally disseminated amongst an increasingly paranoid public seeking ways to protect themselves against Transformers. This allowed Megatron's consciousness to spread across North America, until it was focused enough to contact one particular owner of a Megatron gun: [[Joe Gladki]]. He deceived and manipulated the paranoid human, and eventually convinced him to perform an assassination attempt on [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]], the new Autobot leader. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} In their ignorance, the Autobots then mistook Gladki's gun for Megatron himself and held it captive. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 1: The Demolished Man|The Demolished Man}}

[[File:IDWongoing16 megatron vs autobots.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Not the [[Realignments|first time]] he's traded his [[fusion cannon]] for a [[rail gun]].]]
With the Autobots in chaos, Megatron started the next phase of his plan and returned to Earth personally, where he used his new stealth bomber mode to shoot down a plane carrying Optimus Prime and several other Autobots. He then hunted down the remaining Autobots, effortlessly defeating them and their new temporary leader Ultra Magnus with his powerful new body, and killing some of their [[Skywatch]] allies. Magnus tried to draw Megatron's attention from the humans, claiming the Autobots were the ones he really wanted, but Megatron assured him that humanity was his real target. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 3: Woken Furies|Woken Furies}} Taking the defeated Autobots captive, Megatron dumped them in a city and directed three of his mind-controlled human puppets to kill them. Contacting Prime directly, Megatron summoned him to the city's outskirts and revealed his plan: crush Prime's spirit and destroy the Autobots' alliance with humanity by forcing them to choose between fighting the humans or allowing them to kill them. Prime found the hole in Megatron's plan, however, when he realized that Soundwave was maintaining the connection between Megatron and his guns, and shot him in the head. His connection to his pawns severed, Megatron scooped up Soundwave and withdrew. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome|Burning Chrome}} Thanks to a tracker Ultra Magnus had slipped on Soundwave, though, Prime was able to follow the Decepticons to their bolthole and called Megatron out for a full and proper confrontation. In actuality, Prime had lured Megatron outside so Skywatch could drop a [[kinetic harpoon]] on him, but even a weapon dropped from orbit barely proved able to put a scratch in Megatron's mighty new exostructure. Megatron proceeded to beat Prime senseless, but then returned him to the Autobots, and to their great shock, surrendered to their custody. After recovering, Optimus demanded to know why he had surrendered, but Megatron merely taunted him by revealing that Spike Witwicky had murdered a Decepticon in cold blood. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}} Prime immediately had Prowl begin investigating Spike and Skywatch, and Prowl interrogated the Decepticon leader for information, which he provided after a little verbal sparring. {{storylink|Police Action: Prologue}}

[[File:ChaosTheory1 megatron imprisoned.jpg|upright=1.5|left|thumb|Megatron and Optimus Prime can't agree on a safe word.]]
When Rodimus returned to Earth and warned the Autobots that [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] had taken control of Cybertron, Optimus decided to lead the Autobots in reclaiming their homeworld. In the name of Earth's safety, he elected to bring Megatron and the confiscated guns made from his old body with them. {{storylink|Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|Orphans of the Helix}} On the way to Cybertron aboard [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Prime again attempted to discern why Megatron had surrendered, even releasing his old foe from his bonds and having a civil conversation with him about their past together and their dueling ideologies. Optimus tried to reach out to Megatron, offering him the chance to end the war once and for all with a handshake; Megatron appeared to consider it for a moment but ultimately remained silent. With Megatron returned to the confines of the [[variable voltage harness]], the other Autobots pressured Optimus for a decision on his fate: execution or imprisonment. Trying to come to a conclusion, Prime asked Megatron if he regretted any of his actions, but the Decepticon leader remarked that he only regretted not killing ''more'' Autobots. He taunted Prime with the notion that even he was thankful for the war, as it had raised him from a nobody to the greatest Autobot in history, and a furious Prime activated the harness, electrocuting Megatron. The jolt would have killed Megatron if Omega Supreme had not cut the power in time and Megatron, struggling to stay conscious, offered Prime his thanks for saving his life all those years ago in Rodion. Shocked by his actions, Prime realized that Megatron wanted to die and wanted Prime to be the one to kill him. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} Eventually, Prime decided to let Megatron choose his own fate, and Megatron calmly replied that he chose death. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2|Chaos Theory #2}}

[[File:Chaos2 armored megatron.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|...Again...?]]
As Omega drew close to Cybertron, Megatron demanded to know who or what was threatening their homeworld, but Optimus Prime refused to provide him with any information. {{storylink| Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations}} The Autobots subsequently engaged Galvatron's forces in battle, and while they were occupied, Megatron put into motion the ace he had up his sleeve: taking remote control of the numerous "Megatron guns" aboard Omega, Megatron summoned them to him and combined with them into a new armored mode. Breaking free from his restraints, he headed out to confront Galvatron, intent that nobody would take his world from him. {{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers|Numbers}} As he tore through the Sweeps, Megatron also revealed the reason for his surrender: now that he was back on Cybertron, he could open a space bridge that would allow the massed forces of the Decepticons on Earth to return to their home planet as well. Unfortunately, not long after the Decepticons arrived on the battlefield, Galvatron's secret puppet master, the Dead Universe entity known as the [[D-Void]], seized control of their minds and those of the Sweeps, merging them into a gigantic, monstrous avatar. With Prime occupied pursuing Galvatron into Cybertron's depths, Megatron was left to face this "[[Deceptigod]]" alone. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}} Fighting against the D-Void's attempts to ensnare his own mind and make him part of the collective, Megatron was gravely wounded and even lost an arm to the beast, but succeeded into destroying it, blasting it apart with one massive beam from his weapons. {{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis|Genesis}}

===The long game===
Even as the Deceptigod disintegrated back into its component Decepticons, Megatron could see the potential the creature embodied—the D-Void had, in essence, created the perfect combiner by means of utterly obliterating free will. With Cybertron reverting into a primordial wasteland around him—a result of Optimus Prime purifying [[Vector Sigma]] with the Matrix to stop Galvatron and the D-Void—Megatron chose to withdraw to experiment with the possibilities this presented. He informed Shockwave, the sole Decepticon who had not been made part of the Deceptigod, of his plans, and Shockwave in turn revealed them to Soundwave and Bombshell. {{storylink|Shockpoint}} While Megatron hid in the wilderness, his Decepticons were left to live as second-class citizens in the new [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] that the Autobots built; Optimus Prime left Cybertron two weeks after the D-Void's defeat to calm tensions with "NAILs"—other unaffiliated Cybertronians—who had returned to their homeworld, but even as he did so, he mused that Megatron must still be out there somewhere. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

[[File:RID11 megatron in wilderness.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Megatron can't find anyone who wants to join his nudist colony to save his skin.]]
In the months of study and experimentation that followed, Megatron discerned that the combination of Ore-13 and space bridge technology in his body somehow gave him the ability to manipulate the natural energy of Cybertron that the D-Void had used to merge the Decepticons into the Deceptigod. After experiments on [[turbofox]]es created larger, more ferocious beasts, Megatron stepped up trials when the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] seceded from the shaky government Bumblebee, [[Metalhawk (G1)|Metalhawk]] and Starscream were building in Iacon and ventured into the wilderness. The signal Megatron had created from the combination energy first drove the Aerialbots mad, before uniting them in body and mind, spontaneously merging them into the gestalt [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], but this newborn Autobot combiner was considered hopelessly insane by Megatron and left to die in the wilderness. The madness aspect of the signal afforded him the chance to revive some of the principles of the infiltration protocol, however, as he blanketed the wastelands in it, forcing the Autobots, Decepticons and NAILs to stay in Iacon, causing natural conflict among them to snowball, providing a useful cover for his actions. To gain a pawn within Autobot high command, Megatron even provided Bombshell with the energy to use in conjunction with his own mind-controlling [[cerebro-shell]]s, ensnaring the mind of Prowl. With the resources and cover control of Prowl provided, Shockwave, Soundwave and Bombshell were able to use Megatron's findings to perfect the combination process, rebuilding the Constructicons with new modular designs that would allow them to merge into a perfect Devastator. The endgame was for Megatron himself to form the head of the combiner, but before risking his own mind and body, Megatron decided that Prowl would be used first as a test subject. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}}

[[File:RID12 kill him.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|"Your armor. Give it to me now."]]
The appearance of [[Metrotitan (G1)|Metrotitan]] on Cybertron who declared that Starscream was the "Chosen One" threatened Megatron's ability to easily re-take leadership of his Decepticons, forcing him to step up his schedule. Through Prowl, he had his inner circle gathered together in the secret "[[Black Room]]", then boldly strode into Iacon for all to see. {{storylink|The End of the Beginning of the World}} His body shattered and skeletal, he professed to come in peace, but Bumblebee did not accept his surrender and ordered his Autobots to kill him. Indeed, Megatron could possibly have died there and then had Iacon's Decepticons not stepped in, insisting that Megatron's defense of Cybertron during the D-Void's attack marked him a hero and that he be taken into custody instead. {{storylink|City on Fire}} After [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] got through examining him to prove his body concealed no weapons, Starscream approached the imprisoned Megatron and attempted to explain that he was not far away from taking complete power in the government, ensuring a Decepticon victory of a different kind. Megatron merely smiled silently at the notion, terrifying his ex-lieutenant with his grin. Presently, the Decepticons rose up in an angry mob and marched on Autobot high command to insist on Megatron's release; the situation quickly devolved into a riot, during which a squad led by [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] stormed the prison and freed Megatron. {{storylink|The Verge}}

[[File:RID14 new body redux.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.55|New body or not, Megatron may want to think twice about standing [[:File:Devastator-ROTFenemyscrotum.jpg|underneath Devastator's legs.]]]]
Megatron brought Starscream and the captured Bumblebee and Metalhawk to the Black Room, where he explained his plans and had himself transferred into a pre-prepared new body that could combine with the Constructicons' new forms. At his command, the Constructicons and Prowl combined into the new Devastator, who immediately set about razing Iacon. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}} Even the return of Superion seemed unable to stop the powerful new combiner, until help came from an unexpected quarter—Prowl's secret assassin [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] killed Bombshell, taking out Prowl's controller and causing Devastator to shut down. This was no real impediment to Megatron, however, as the successful function of the new combiner process had been proven, and he set out to take ''his'' place as Devastator's head. Before Megatron could reach the fallen gestalt, though, Devastator awoke, possessed of his own unique, united consciousness for the first time, and resumed tearing into Iacon. {{storylink|Plan for Everything}}

[[File:RID20 megatron in forcefield.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|You know you can't catch a break when you find yourself trapped inside a novelty plasma lamp from Spencer's.]]
Still Megatron remained unfazed, calmly fending off Autobot attacks and waiting for the inevitable moment when the heroes would take Devastator down. When [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] succeeded in doing so by managing to reach Prowl, Devastator separated, and Megatron immediately stepped in, re-initiating the combination with himself in control. Seconds before uniting with the Constructicons, though, his plan was foiled by Bumblebee, Ironhide and Prowl's activation of a secret failsafe: Wheeljack had integrated a forcefield generator into Megatron's spark casing during his examination of him, and when it was triggered, he was completely paralyzed in mid-transformation. {{storylink|Heavy Is the Head}}

In the fallout of the battle, Starscream killed Metalhawk, took control of Iacon and banished the Autobots and Decepticons from the city. He took custody of the immobilized Megatron, and silently gloated over the victory he had accomplished by using guile and politics, rather than Megatron's ways of brute force and firepower. {{storylink|Three Monologues}}

===A new approach===
Megatron would not remain incapacitated for long. That night, as the result of millennia-long secret machinations by Shockwave, an [[Quintessa (IDW)|undead Metrotitan]] appeared on Cybertron and opened a portal to the Dead Universe in the planet's skies. Through the portal, Shockwave made contact with Galvatron and his master, the exiled Cybertron despot [[Nova Prime]], but was unable to bring them through to Cybertron thanks to the unexpected disappearance of the Titan's space bridge system. Intending to use the space bridge within Megatron as a replacement, {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} Shockwave reanimated the deceased Metalhawk with a wave of necrotic energy from the Titan and had him liberate Megatron and bring him to his secret lab in [[Crystal City]]. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}}

[[File:RID24 i remember you.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Somewhere in the multiverse, [[Override (G1)|Override]] and [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] are smiling.]]
Shockwave hoped that Megatron would comply with his plans willingly, but the Decepticon leader refused and Shockwave forcibly activated the space bridge technology in Megatron's body. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} The opening of the bridge in his chest caused Megatron agony, but his screams were heard by Soundwave, who led the united forces of the exiled Autobots and Decepticons to Shockwave's lab to free his leader. Nova Prime and Galvatron attempted to squeeze their way through the space bridge despite this interference, but Ironhide was able to punch Nova back through into the Dead Universe. Just then, Shockwave's "Necrotitan" came crashing into the subterranean city, and in the chaos, Megatron was freed from the restraints holding him. No sooner had Megatron carried Ironhide to the safe hands of the other Autobots, however, than he was ripped in half from behind by Galvatron, who had successfully emerged through the portal {{storylink|Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|Finest Hour}}—a briefer battle, no doubt, than the one Shockwave had foreseen between the pair in a vision at the outset of his scheme. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}}

[[File:MTMTE26 megs and bee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|I smell a sitcom!]]
After the battle was over, Galvatron and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] lugged Megatron's bisected remains back into Crystal City, only to find their way barred by the unlikely form of Bumblebee, who demanded they hand Megatron over. Galvatron attacked the Autobot, at which point Megatron revealed that he was fine, as he took down Waspinator and knocked Galvatron out with a barrage of fusion cannon fire. {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} Bumblebee lugged Megatron back to Iacon, currently being razed by the Necrotitan, where the Decepticon leader announced to the assembled Autobots, Decepticons and NAILs his plan to withdraw to [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], summon the Decepticon Justice Division and other scattered troops, and strike back. Bumblebee rejected Megatron's notion of retreating, and struck a nerve within him by questioning his entire philosophy: Megatron had ''long'' ago abandoned any notion of fighting for freedom and equality, Bumblebee attested, and merely used the claim to ideology as an excuse for his actions. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Fortunately, fighting back suddenly got a lot easier when Metroplex and the ''[[Lost Light]]'' space-bridged to Cybertron. During the battle between the Titans, Megatron observed Metroplex reaching for the ''Lost Light''; when the ship's crew explained that they had Metroplex's severed thumb aboard, Megatron had Bumblebee carry him to it, whereupon he realized that the thumb contained one of Shockwave's [[Regenesis]] ores. Megatron used his internal space bridge to teleport the thumb back to Metroplex, and the ore provided the giant with the power boost to defeat the Necrotitan. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}}

[[File:DCFinale megatron the autobot.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|ಠ_ಠ]]
At Bumblebee's order and under protest, [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] repaired Megatron's injuries and reattached his legs, reminding Megatron of his desire in youth to be a medic. His recent string of failures, the success of ''Starscream'', of all 'bots, and Bumblebee's stinging words had turned the Decepticon leader introspective, and he realized he had forgotten something very important that had driven his writings in his early years: winning meant turning people to your way of thinking, not dominating them. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} Subsequently, when Shockwave initiated his millennia-long plan to collapse all reality into a universal black hole, Megatron placed himself and the Decepticons under Bumblebee's command to co-ordinate a counter-strike, and journeyed with his uneasy new "friend" into Shockwave's [[Crystal City]] base to confront their shared enemy. There, they found the weakened Galvatron, who Megatron prepared to destroy for past indignities, until Bumblebee talked him down, convincing him that blood did not have to be repaid with blood. At that moment, Shockwave struck, slaying Bumblebee with a blast, and driving Megatron into a rage. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Empowered by his various ores and the energy of the Dead Universe, Shockwave was a formidable opponent and it was all Megatron could do to hold his own against him until Optimus Prime arrived to join the fight. Prime attempted to reason with Shockwave and remind him of the kindly senator he had once been, but his words had little effect, so Megatron opted for a more object lesson: removing the fallen Bumblebee's insignia, he placed it upon his chest and declared himself an Autobot. The stunned Shockwave lost control of the time machine powering his plot, causing his old pre-[[Shadowplay]] memories to emerge. Horrified at what he had become, he allowed Megatron and Prime to kill him, which caused the time machine to collapse into a singularity. Megatron and Prime made what seemed to be a futile dash for freedom, but were saved from the singularity's pull at the last moment by the timely arrival of the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

===Crimes against the Species===
{{quote|I don't want to be acquitted. I want to '''make amends'''|Megatron on his new goal in life|"[[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide]]"}}
[[File:DCFinale this is not a trick.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|Optimus apparently decided a sincere Megatron was a cue for mood lighting.]]
In a private meeting between Optimus Prime and Megatron a short time after Shockwave's defeat, Megatron affirmed that his change of heart was genuine, and Optimus assured him that he could see past his wartime deeds and remember the well-intentioned 'bot he had started out as. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}} The rest of Cybertron, however, demanded a trial; Autobot High Command agreed, realizing that the Decepticon leader's fate had to be decided in public. Before the trial, Megatron was approached by Optimus, [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] and Rodimus in an attempt to extract some of the Decepticon's memories as evidence in hopes of expediting the proceedings, but a horrified Megatron refused, considering the sanctity of his mind all he had left. After Optimus departed, Rodimus remained to taunt Megatron with the certainty of his execution; in return, the impassive Decepticon simply asked Rodimus to deliver a [[communicube]] to Optimus, {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} containing a request to have the trial moved to the [[Raskol Arena]] on Luna 2, in order, he alleged, to accommodate the huge number of spectators that would inevitably attend. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}
[[File:MTMTE28 megatron pleads guilty.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|I agreed to this trial on the condition of meeting Matlock.]]
Megatron's trial lasted five months. At the outset of the proceedings, Megatron pled guilty to "Crimes against the Species", {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} but things changed when Starscream took the stand and gave a testimony that presented Megatron as an incapable leader who was unable to control the Decepticon forces under his command, a powerful brute lacking in the qualities of true leadership who led his followers down an ultimately self-destructive path. His treacherous lieutenant's words struck home, and Megatron stunned the assembled crowd by changing his plea to "not guilty". {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Just as his defender, Ultra Magnus, was reading a statement declaring this, the trial was dramatically interrupted by a small army of Decepticons led by [[Snaptrap (G1)|Snap Trap]] and [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Grr]], who had escaped from the brig on the ''Lost Light''. The invading force attempted to teleport Megatron away to safety, but he refused to escape and the uprising was quickly quelled. During the recess that followed, Optimus confronted Megatron over his true motives: he had requested that the trial be held on Luna 2 in order to exploit the moon's different legal system in the event that he felt the trial was unjust. Caused by Starscream's speech to realize that, were he to submit to execution now, his legacy would be one only of pain and death, Megatron invoked one of the moon's forgotten laws: an individual who had committed sufficiently heinous crimes could request he be judged by the long-lost [[Knights of Cybertron]]. Megatron requested that he be allowed to join the ''Lost Light'' in their search for the Knights and their homeworld of [[Cyberutopia]], thus ensuring that ''that'' would be his legacy, after which he would submit to whatever punishment was deemed necessary. Optimus agreed on the condition that Megatron read a prepared speech denouncing the Decepticon cause and asking all active Decepticons to stand down. Megatron did so, at great personal pain. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Hurt and angry over this perceived abandonment, Soundwave used Megatron's change of faction as evidence to forge a new allegiance of his own, decamping to Earth and working with the [[Earth Defense Command]] to create a new home for Decepticons there. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|Detonation Boulevard}}
[[File:MTMTE30 cocaptains.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|O captain, my co-captain.]]
Megatron was assigned co-captaincy of the ''Lost Light'' alongside Rodimus, who immediately hated the idea and everything about it, leading to a particularly antagonistic relationship between the two. Megatron was permitted only to fuel himself with "[[Fool's Energon]]", which left him substantially weakened. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Shockwave's machinations had left his internal organs a tortured Gordian knot of space bridge wormholes from which it was impossible to extract his spark; his outward appearance changed between the end of his trial and his co-captaincy, suggesting that his armor was rebuilt around him, or his entire internal structure was transplanted into a new body. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Megatron would later lament that his body did not graft to his spark like past chassis, which he considered a sign of his waning age. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}} Optimus would see Megatron off on his voyage before he himself headed off to Earth, a meeting Prowl found deeply disturbing. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}}

===Towards Peace===
[[File:MTMTE28 megatron head examined.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|"So Megatron, tell me about your mother". "She was hot".]]
The ''Lost Light'' warped back out to the Galactic Rim and set off on the trail of [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]], who they considered their best lead on the location of the Knights. A month into the journey, Megatron agreed to a therapy session with ship's psychoanalyst Rung, during which he espoused his current thinking on personal history, and one's ability to selectively edit or abandon entirely previously held truths. Following the session, Megatron discovered that the door to his quarters had been graffitied, and was almost immediately attacked by the culprit, Whirl. During the fight—which Whirl deemed "inevitable"—the ex-Wrecker punched Megatron in the stomach, only to find his hand teleported away by the space bridge tangle inside his body. This took the fight out of Whirl, and Megatron offered to forget the incident if the graffiti was removed from his wall. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Through his internal space bridge, Megatron could sense that Whirl's arm had been teleported into the vicinity of a black hole, and—ever the forward planner, preparing even for the unlikely eventuality that he might change his mind about what he wanted—Megatron was inspired to revive his wartime plan to remotely channel antimatter.{{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

Megatron subsequently oversaw the bringing onboard of a mysterious coffin the ''Lost Light'' found floating in space. A short time later, a drunken dare gone awry resulted in [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] accidentally cracking the coffin open with his forcefield. Megatron reprimanded him by permanently engaging his fuel intake moderation chip, and assigned him the role of Security Director in order to focus his mind. The pair then turned their attention to the opened coffin, which was revealed to contain the body of another Rodimus! {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} A brief analysis suggested that the body was of Rodimus from the future, but before the matter could be settled, the crew of the ''Lost Light'' were forced to abandon the ship as it suddenly began disappearing around them. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}

[[File:MTMTE32 i came to hate the person id become.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Lolcat is watching you deprecate.]]

Megatron found himself on the [[Rodpod]] with a score of other 'bots, but when ''they'' then began to vanish too, [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] accused Megatron of being responsible. A tense standoff ensued, which was brought to a surprising end when [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] was discovered to have been hiding on the pod, having secreted himself on the ''Lost Light'' in order to spy on Megatron for Soundwave. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} The weirdness continued as the remaining crew of the Rodpod—Megatron, Ravage, Nightbeat, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]], and [[Getaway]]—discovered the wreckage of a second ''Lost Light'', point of origin for the mystery second Rodimus, orbiting the planet [[Ofsted XVII]]. Still believing that the duplicate ship hailed from the future, Skids accused Megatron of being responsible for the devastation, and, realizing that the recent huge changes he had made in his life left him devoid of any surety in his future actions, Megatron allowed himself and Ravage to be imprisoned until the truth could be determined. Locked in a supply closet with Ravage, Megatron had a heart-to-heart with his angry ex-subordinate, justifying his decisions and unable to offer Ravage any consolation. When power returned to the ship, the pair discovered the dead bodies of Ratchet, [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] in the closet with them, sporting injuries that allowed Megatron realize the Decepticon Justice Division were responsible for the slaughter. The team prepared to immediately withdraw until an even stranger discovery was made: Autobot archivist [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]], who had died months beforehand... still alive, the only survivor of the D.J.D.'s attack! {{storylink|slaughterhouse}}

[[File:MTMTE33 megatron skids right there.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"...But you're not the [[Skyfall (G1)|worst]] [[Zeta Prime (G1)|guy]] [[Star Saber (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|to]] [[Getaway|wear]] the badge. So keep trying."]]
Nautica and Nightbeat were able to deduce that the duplicate ''Lost Light'' and its crew, including the second Rodimus, were actually quantum duplicates created in the explosion of the [[quantum generator|quantum engines]] during the ship's original launch two years prior. To make matters worse, the [[quantum foam]] leaking from the engines was threatening to destroy Ofsted XVII, but Megatron had no compunctions about getting to safety and leaving the planet to its fate until Skids called him out, forcing him to face up to the fact that choosing to be an Autobot meant reflecting it in one's actions. Megatron used his old mass-displacement ability to shrink his robot form down, enabling him to safely make it through the foam and deactivate the engines, saving Ofsted XVII, "cancelling out" the duplicate ''Lost Light'', and reinstating their own. As they made their way back to the returned ''Lost Light'', Megatron invited Ravage to remain at his side. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}

[[File:MTMTE38 send me back.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|"AND I WANT YOUR LUNCH MONEY TOO NERD!"]]
Back aboard "their" ''Lost Light'', Megatron discovered the DJD had killed Trailcutter. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} Though depressed by his death, Megatron was not above removing Trailcutter's forcefield generators from his body in another instance of forward planning. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} Subsequently, the realization that Brainstorm had used his mysterious [[Time case|briefcase]] to travel back in time caused Megatron to have a mini-breakdown over how ''ridiculous'' the whole situation was, but he soon got ahold of himself, and theorized that Brainstorm was attempting to change history by killing Orion Pax. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} Rodimus led a squad back in time in pursuit, which led to Megatron having a cross-time conversation with the young Orion Pax via Rodimus's "[[time phone]]" communicator. Pretending to be his own younger self during the call, Megatron found the young 'bot's optimism for the future a mixed source of both affirmation and tragic amusement. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} After Rodimus's team made several further jumps, Megatron deduced that the dates they were travelling to were not important moments in Pax's life, but Megatron's own. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}} Realizing that Brainstorm intended to kill ''him'' at the moment of his creation, he flew into a panicked rage, attacking [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] and demanding the scientist send him back in time to save himself, until Ultra Magnus restrained him and the pair talked him down. As events in the past played out, Megatron was visibly shaken to hear that Rewind had been the one to pull the trigger that destroyed the original spark in his body, and that the universe would truly be a better place had he never existed. Although Whirl subsequently set the timeline to rights, Megatron did not join in the celebrations when everyone returned from the past, retiring to his quarters. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

[[File:MTMTE43 the old man.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"Oh my Primus! WHAT IS THAT?! SOME ONE GET RATC-?!?! ... Oh, wait. Nevermind. False alarm. It's my hand. Almost had me there guys." *tries to look relaxed, and nails it*]]

In silent isolation, Megatron reached out with his mind, trying to make contact with Whirl's arm through his space bridge. If he could teleport the arm ''back'', it would mean he would finally having a working two-way connection to a black hole. After days of trying, however, he still failed to succeed, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} and established another contingency plan by having Ravage recover one of Brainstorm's time-machine briefcases for him before they were all destroyed, thinking he might use it to escape his fate by traveling back in time. Megatron also dedicated some of his spare time to writing poetry, but his works remained largely unappreciated- a single poetry reading at [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]]'s bar, [["Visages"]], was enough to empty the bar of its patrons. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}} He, Rodimus, and Magnus answered a call from Optimus Prime inviting the ''Lost Light'' back to Cybertron for first contact with the colony world of [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]], but they declined. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}}

While the rest of the crew attended a party aboard the ''[[Vis Vitalis]]'', Rodimus and Megatron refrained from going. {{storylink|The Sensuous Frame}} The pair soon received an S.O.S. alerting them to an infestation of emotion-eating [[personality tick]]s on the ship; they headed over to help, and their combined charisma proved strong enough to "overdose" and kill the ticks as soon as they stepped into the room. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}} Soon after, when [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'s dying mind created a holomatter duplicate of Earth, Megatron took part in the voyage to the artificial planet to help save the metallurgist. The journey required him to project a holomatter avatar for the first time, which led him to note the fragility—but not weakness—of humans when his avatar was cut by broken glass. {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}}

[[File:MTMTE44-MegatronLookAtTheFlowers.jpg|upright=2|right|thumb|"I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sound; the sound of billions of people calling your name." 
"My followers?" 
"Your victims."]]

When it was discovered that Swerve's life-threatening injuries had been caused by a bullet lodged in his body by the Autobot deep-cover spy [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]], Megatron and Magnus studied the bullet together, and discovered that it contained a map to [[Necroworld]], base of operations of the supposedly-mythical [[Mortilus|Necrobot]]. Rodimus proceeded to barge into the room to announce that he had unconsciously drawn a complete map to Cyberuptopia on his desk, and Megatron, unsettled to realize that this meant his day of judgement was now actually on the horizon, announced that, before following said map, they would first detour to investigate Necroworld. Megatron privately confided in Ravage that he wished to stave off his day of reckoning as long as possible... but found that such thoughts rudely pushed from his mind when he bore witness to the massive field of [[Cybertronian remembrance flower|flowers]] the Necrobot had planted in his honor, representing the countless lives he had taken. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} With the weight of his history laid out before him so beautifully and terribly, Megatron realized that the future could not be avoided, and that any attempt to hide in the past was pointless. He buried the time-case Ravage had stolen for him amid the flowers. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

[[File:SpeakMemory2 MegatronRenouncesViolence.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|I have no enemies.]]
Megatron's fear of mnemosurgery would once again plague him when he awoke to find little Tailgate trying to perform mnemosurgery on him—part of a plot from [[Getaway]] to provoke Megatron into killing the little guy, in order to have Megatron either executed or imprisoned. The panicked Megatron almost fulfilled Getaway's plan for him, until [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] interceded by running Megatron through with his [[Great Sword]]. {{storylink|The Lopsided Triangle}} Once Getaway's plot had been foiled, Megatron was patched up and made amends with Cyclonus. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} The whole experience proved to be the last straw; determined to break from his old ways, Megatron renounced all violence and became a pacifist. He chose a poor time to do it, unfortunately, as the halls of the ''Lost Light'' were soon stalked by the serial killer [[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]]. Megatron's attempts to talk the murderer into surrendering met with failure, and he had to be saved by Tailgate, whose recent traumatic experiences had induced a mutation in his spark that gave him super strength. {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}} Intrigued, Megatron wondered if ''pain'' was the factor that would give his spark the power to complete his black hole quest. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

When the ''Lost Light'' was preparing to sneak through Mauler-inhabited space, Megatron and Ultra Magnus set about preparing the ship and the crew for the crossing. When a [[Scraplet]]-controlled [[Magnus Armor]] came shambling towards him, Megatron panicked, believing Magnus had come for a hug, before Swerve, Nautica and Whirl arrived to save him. {{storylink|Silent Light}} Not long after, Megatron joined the crew in a brief excursion into the past via "time windows" left over from Brainstorm's time-trip, which they used to honor the fallen crew members of the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} In the days that followed, unable to think of a reason ''not'' to go, Megatron reluctantly accepted Whirl's invitation to "movie night", which turned out to be a screening of a documentary about his defeat of Sentinel Prime. Megatron disliked the whole production, especially the allegation that he had desecrated Sentinel's remains by ordering the theft of his head. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

===Do Not Go Gentle===
[[File:MTMTE50 megatron class dismissed.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.5|This is why we don't let you stay up all night listening to "''Instruments of Destruction''", Megs.]]
Megatron oversaw the ''Lost Light''{{'}}s campaign to liberate [[Miliarium]] from [[Rust Giant]]s, though he refrained from setting foot on the planet itself in order to maintain his vow of non-violence. He was irked to learn that the crew had withheld the information the inhabitants of the planet were organic, but he softened when he was given the chance to finally use the "[[roll out]]" command. Subsequently, during one of a series of classes Megatron had begun holding on the subject of the Knights of Cybertron, the ''Lost Light'' was attacked by a kind of "psychic weapon" that made multiple crew members experience terrible visions. Megatron heard the sound of every organic he had ever killed screaming, and momentarily driven mad, he lashed out at Minimus Ambus, who had come to his aid, and was horrified a moment later when he realized he'd reflexively forgotten his pacifism. Megatron and Rodimus led a team aboard the Rodpod to track the signal back to its source; it turned out to have actually been bait in a trap luring them back to Necroworld, where they were attacked by the Decepticon Justice Division, out to claim revenge on Megatron for renouncing Decepticonism. The Autobots took refuge in the Necrobot's fortress and re-established contact with the ''Lost Light'', only to learn that Getaway had staged a mutiny and taken control of the ship in their absence, and had alerted the [[Galactic Council]] to their location. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

[[File:TheSunInFlight MegatronTarn.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|"Look how old you've become." "Something far worse has happened to you."]]
Searching for weapons to fight the D.J.D., the Autobots found a teleport chamber and a room full of helpless organics in stasis pods. Brainstorm advocated using the chamber to escape, but Megatron—now truly realizing how alike organic and mechanical life was thanks to the trauma of the psychic attack—delivered a stirring speech that convinced everyone to stay to defend the pods. At Ravage's suggestion, Megatron went out to meet with Tarn one-on-one, and offered to surrender on the condition none of the others would be harmed. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} As the two talked, Megatron expressed regret for "corrupting" who Tarn had been, and even for the fact Brainstorm's attempt to kill him hadn't succeeded. Disgusted to see his hero having "fallen" thus, Tarn began viciously beating Megatron, but Megatron refused to fight back; he even laughed at the irony of how Fool's Energon might have been changing his nature, and he didn't even care. Before Tarn could finish Megatron off, however, Overlord arrived, allied with the Galactic Council in pursuit of his own chance to kill Megatron. Tarn and Overlord fought, giving Megatron a chance to escape. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}}

[[File:RageRage-Megatronappears.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|You can practically hear "Instruments of Destruction" playing.]]

Though patched up, Megatron still refused to take part in the Autobots' battle with the D.J.D, rejecting the gift of a new fusion cannon Brainstorm had built from the teleport chapter for him, and urging the group to cherish what time they had left rather than waste it in battle. Megatron declared himself too weak and afraid to fight, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} fearful that if he gave into violence, he would lose control and be unable to stop himself from once again becoming the monster he had been in the past. As the others went out to fight, Ratchet attempted to allay Megatron's fears by disclosing that Fool's Energon was only ever a placebo—Megatron had, in fact, been in control of himself all along. This revelation, coupled with the sight of Ravage being torn in half by Tarn out on the battlefield, spurred Megatron to action. Pain was, indeed, the trigger he had sought; in that moment, he successfully managed to draw Whirl's arm back through his space bridge, forging a functioning link with the black hole. Donning his new fusion cannon, he stormed out onto the battlefield and took on the D.J.D. single-handed while the other Autobots took Ravage back to the safety of the fortress. The fire in Megatron's belly seemed short lived, however, when a well-placed shot from Tarn destroyed his cannon, and he dropped to his knees in the middle of the battlefield, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} but this quickly proved to be nothing more than a feint to draw the D.J.D. in, to trap them within a forcefield created by the generators Megatron had taken from Trailbreaker's body. [[File:mtmte 55 antimatter.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7|left|"I'll light our [[Darkest hour]] the only way I know how! With more darkness!"]] Dropping his charade, Megatron unleashed the full power of the black hole's antimatter on the D.J.D., slaughtering each and every one of them. Before ending Tarn, he snatched his Decepticon-insignia facemask and slapped it onto his own chest; he would allow the antimatter to destroy him, and he would die as a Decepticon. Fate had a different path planned for Megatron, however; using the time-case Megatron had buried on the planet, which had been recovered by the Necrobot, Rodimus teleported into the forcefield and whisked Megatron away to safety before the antimatter detonated.

Reappearing in the fortress, Megatron was able to be by Ravage's bedside as he died from his injuries, with a final entreaty to Megatron that he "not change back". Megatron flew into a rage and almost turned his cannon on the Autobots before regaining control of himself. Realizing what he had done, Megatron tried to leave, only for [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]] to suddenly appear to bar his way—one of the occupants of the pods, who were ''not'' organics, but causalities of conflict rescued from throughout time by the Necrobot using the case. Pulled back from the brink at the last moment, Megatron dropped his cannon and embraced his old friend. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

When [[Scarlett]] and [[Joe Colton (Dire Wraith)|Joe Colton]] discussed the Cybertronian influence on [[Earth]], Megatron's infiltration unit as well as his devastating invasion of Earth were key points. In light of Optimus Prime's recent actions, Colton seemed to have his doubts on whether or not Megatron had truly been the 'evil' one. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}}
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===A New World===
[[File:SomeOtherCybertron MegatronTerminus.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.6]]
Terminus' reappearance was down to the Necrobot time-travelling to rescue 'missing in action' robots, and the "organics" in the basement had in fact been those robots in disguise.{{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} Megatron tried to fill in his old friend about the war, much as he doubted his objectivity. This was a disrupted by a minor quake which shook the whole planet. Deciding to finish his story later, Megatron paid his last respects to Ravage before [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] and [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] burst free from the ground. The two explained the quake as a [[geobomb]] sent by the [[Galactic Council]] but had seemingly burnt itself out. Megatron joined the group to return to Cybertron and collect a new ship, mainly to see Starscream's face when he revealed he was still alive. When Terminus said that Iacon was beautiful, Megatron began to correct him before he saw a bustling metropolis. Before the crew could process what happened, [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] showed up to arrest them. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}}

[[File:anomie jabbing megs.jpeg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Hey. Put it away before I take it away.]]

Rewind quickly managed to deduce that the crew had been sent into [[Functionist Universe|another universe]], one where Megatron had never come online and the Functionists still ruled. After trading wits with the councillor, Megatron ordered the crew to surrender in the hope of reasoning with the Council. As the crew was marched through Iacon, the rebel [[Anti-Vocationist League]] tried to save them and got their arses kicked by [[Functionary|Functionaries]] in short order. Rodimus talked Megatron into action who, with a weary sigh, casually broke out of his stasis cuffs and directed the battle without even lifting a finger, much to Terminus' pride and amazement. The moment was ruined when [[Six-of-Twelve]] appeared on every TV on Cybertron, telling everyone they would see what the "Useless One", Rung, was actually ''for''. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} The crew was brought to [[Kalis|Adaptica]] where [[Clicker]] explained why the Council had to grant the refugees safe haven before they were greeted by the sympathetic [[Nine-of-Twelve]]. Megatron abstained from the following meeting to meet with those who had removed their optics in protest of the Council using them as spies. Megatron approved. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

[[File:BadMoonRising MegatronTirade.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.6]]
Even when [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]] suddenly returned, Megatron continued to watch Six-of-Twelve's broadcast and began fearing for the future when it was announced the Council was going to try and get to [[Vector Sigma]]. Megatron went to collect everyone so as to rescue both Rung and Vector Sigma. Before that discussion could continue, Luna 2 grew new craters and began sucking up people with its [[tractor beam]]s. Megatron quickly demanded details from Nine-of-Twelve (lest they decide he was complicit in this) who quickly offered them. Rodimus however was more interested in the moon's teleporter which Megatron called him out on for being more interested in chasing down the ''[[Lost Light]]'' than saving people. Rodimus in turn accused Megatron of wanting to stay in the Functionist timeline so as to not be judged by the [[Knights of Cybertron]] and laughing that Megatron wanted to do good after killing so many. Minimus Ambus halted their argument and Rodimus agreed to Megatron's plan to rescue Rung but on the condition that they would leave once they'd saved the day. Megatron told Nine-of-Twelve to rally the troops only for the councillor to inform him they had no troops. When he asked about offensive capabilities, Megatron learnt that most of the more powerful weapons hadn't been invented in the current timeline. He made due with putting what few weapons he had in the best positions before ordering Nine-of-Twelve to lead the evacuations. Megatron managed a small smile when he learnt that Ambus didn't share Rodimus' belief that Megatron was running from his trial. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}}

[[File:ModesOfProduction MegsConscience.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2]]
With Megatron's tactics, the beleaguered defenders were able to distract Luna 2 long enough for the refugees to escape. As Megatron and [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] discussed the conspicuous absence of the native Orion Pax, the tractor beams increased in intensity prompting Terminus to call the two to evacuate. After Roller made his way out, Terminus attempted to convince Megatron to stay in the Functionist Universe, an idea Megatron admitted to entertaining, but ultimately refused to do, citing his need to make amends back home and that his friends aboard the ''Lost Light'' were the conscience he had to answer to. At the point, the statue they were in was sucked up by the tractor beams. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

[[File:LostLight6MegatronEnding.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|A brand new autobiography. Same title. Different words.]]
Though the beams began ripping Megatron apart, Terminus managed to free himself and saved his protege by firing at the tractor beam emitters, though accidentally shooting down the commandeered [[Cog (facility)|Cog]] in the process. As the native Rung super-sized himself to attack the moon, Megatron assured [[Clicker]] that Rung's own choices were open defiances of Functionism. At that moment, Rodimus came with the news that they could head home and save this Cybertron. Terminus revealed his intent to stay behind with Megatron requesting a moment to say goodbye to his mentor, his serious demeanour convincing Rodimus to grant it. As Megatron and Terminus said their final words, Terminus got a call and quickly ushered Megatron to a [[matter transporter]] only to find it abandoned. As Megatron ran back out to tell Terminus, Luna 2 teleported away to Megatron's shock and horror. Deciding to make the most of his new situation, he went on a "speaking tour", visiting the [[Anti-Vocationist League]]'s scattered cells, all over the planet, uniting them via his rhetoric and his new slogan of "Peace Through Empathy". After speaking at his old stomping ground of [[Nova Point]], Megatron went outside to contemplate the night sky before being interrupted by the chime of his communicator... having been contacted by the native Orion Pax. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}}

===Legacy===
Among [[Agonizer]]'s rare knick-knacks was an unfinished poem by Megatron. {{storylink|An Axe to Break the Ice}} When questioned by Bumblebee on why he insisted on remaining alone in the world, Starscream brought up the many beatings he'd received at Megatron's hand as a life lesson to remain alone and constantly on guard. {{storylink|The Price of You}} Such was Starscream's fear of his former leader that the Seeker seized up with fear when [[Vigilem]] assumed Megatron's form as he was when leading the Decepticons. Using the image of Megatron, Vigilem came within a hair's breath of destroying Starscream's mind, all the while the Seeker being too terrified to fight back. {{storylink|Your First Mistake}} Despite Megatron's defection, [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] still considered him a wise man and quoted his writings to incite a [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] rebellion. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|Future Glories Lost}}

When [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]] was interviewed by the human news, he remembered Megatron's invasion of Earth. {{storylink|What It's Really Like}} [[Sideswipe (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sideswipe]] also remembered Megatron making a deal with Sunstreaker that preceded the invasion. {{storylink|The Life of Sideswipe}}

When Earth was properly inducted into the [[Council of Worlds]], [[Scarlett]] remembered the devastation Megatron had brought to Earth and wondered whether or not Earth was out of its weight class against Cybertronians as well as if Earth was truly ready to join the Council. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} While in jail on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Scarlett confessed to Optimus Prime that she had primarily come to Cybertron to save [[Joe Colton]] from himself, something which Optimus sympathized with, having gone through similar experiences with Megatron. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}} When justifying his genocidal campaign to Scarlett, Joe Colton claimed Earth was "one more Megatron" away from complete extinction. {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}}

In [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]]'s [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|biopic]] of Starscream, Megatron was portrayed by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]. Thundercracker admitted he'd taken some creative liberties with Megatron's bodily appearance but felt those changes would help an unfamiliar audience more readily recognize the characters. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

After receiving a life sentence, Starscream defended his reign to Bumblebee by stating that, unlike Megatron, he hadn't plunged Cybertron into four million years of war. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}}

After seemingly dying and being sent to the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]] had sent Rodimus into a mild depression, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] rhetorically asked "What Would Megatron Do?", threatening Rodimus's fragile ego enough to rally him into action. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}}

===The Great Return===
[[File:LL21 Megatron Returns.jpg|thumb|left||"Did'ja miss me?"]]
Megatron subsequently became leader of the AVL, drawing both Orion and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] into the fold, while also taking time to fulfill his original ambition of becoming a medic. Megatron also found the discarded ''Unitrex-1'' and claimed it as the flagship of the AVL, dubbing it the ''[[Last Light (ship)|Last Light]]''. When the Functionist Council built a set of [[planetary engine]]s onto Cybertron to compensate for Luna 2's loss, the AVL followed them through the [[Warren]], warning many alien populations of the Functionists' genocidal intentions and allowing them to evacuate in time. The Functionists responded to this by engineering Cybertron with a robot mode cast in the likeness of [[Primus]]. Megatron's heroism eventually drew the attention of the Functionists who took great pride in killing his closest allies before eventually believing to have slain the ex-tyrant at [[Perseppalae]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|The Return of the King}}

[[File:ReturnOfTheKing MegatronTreatsDrift.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.0|''Instruments of re-construct-iooooon, tools of first aiiiiid!'']]
In truth, both Megatron and the ''Last Light'' had survived and continued to follow the Functionist recon ships. When the [[Adaptus|Grand Architect]]'s [[God Gun]] opened a portal back into Megatron's native universe, the ''Last Light'' was caught up in the rush, emerging ahead of the enemy fleet. Detecting his friends' spark signatures, Megatron immediately called Rodimus. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness|Farsickness}} Though the Autobot initially believed that Megatron was the one staging the invasion, Megatron was quick to correct him, drawing their attention to the planet-sized Primus effigy, before requesting their coordinates for rescue. Once the ''Last Light'' shook off the recon ships, Megatron ordered his friends freed, recovering most of them from the Architect's clutches ([[Scavengers (G1)|and a few Decepticons too]]) before he caught them all up on what had transpired since they'd parted ways. He also demonstrated his new skills as a medic by treating the wounded Drift for a [[zero point]] affliction. When the [[Epistemus|Magnificence]] proposed blowing up "Primus", Megatron immediately shot down the idea, noting the billions of innocent Cybertronians still trapped on their homeworld. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|The Return of the King}}

After Rodimus had freed himself and reclaimed his ship, the two ships set down to compare notes with everyone transferring over to the ''Lost Light''. Despite the Magnificence's boasts of intelligence, Megatron still refused to blow up "Primus". His devotion to saving the citizenry proved the catalyst for a group brainstorm to come up with a plan to simultaneously open ''twelve'' [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrices of Leadership]], one on each of the planet's [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]]s, to overload Vector Sigma and kill the Functionists merged with the computer. At this, the Magnificence spoke in the unholy voice of the [[Omega Guardian]]s, revealed to have been manipulating events and needing "Primus" to explode, who swore to return and "eat everything". Megatron made an impassioned speech to the aliens, swearing to stop them, and distracting them long enough for [[Nickel]] to simply crush the Magnificence. The distraction however meant that the ''Last Light'' was left unattended when the Functionists finally turned their attention to the last Cybertron, violently dying with the planet. When the ''Lost Light'' took off, Megatron ordered the ship turned around so they could save the universe. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremebering}}

[[File:LL24 Megatron GNNN!.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|left|Megatron is forced to admit that he'll never truly have [[The Touch]].]]
After [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Fortress Maximus]] showed up and slammed [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] into the gargantuan robot's [[neural cluster]] to convert it back into planet mode, Megatron coordinated with [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] to properly ally with the Grand Architect's remaining troops. With Rodimus, Megatron made his way to the [[Nova Point]] hot spot where they were beset upon by legions of [[Functionary|Functionaries]]. To complicate matters, the Matrices refused to open, prompting Megatron to rally Rodimus into giving a final speech to the crew and reaffirm their morality. Though the speech had the desired effect, it left Rodimus open to having his left arm blown off before he could open his own Matrix. Megatron took over and tried to open the talisman himself, but his lingering doubts and guilt meant it refused to open for him. The weakened Rodimus then requested the artifact, managing to open it by substituting his missing limb with his teeth, the energies of all twelve destroying the Functionists and reigniting Luna 1's dormant hot spot. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 6): A Spark Among Embers|A Spark Among Embers}}

[[File:MegatronGoodbye.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|"One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."]]
As the crew took stock, [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] arrived to inspect "New Cybertron" before declaring that, since the [[Knights of Cybertron]] didn't exist, Megatron would once again have to stand trial, this time with the [[Galactic Council]] presiding. Over Rodimus's protests, Megatron agreed to go quietly but was nonetheless allowed to join the ''Lost Light'' for one last "victory lap" cruise. As the crew prepared to quantum jump home, the science team proposed the risky gamble of recreating the malfunctioning launch, thereby quantum duplicating themselves before then shunting the duplicates into a parallel universe to ensure that the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s adventures would never truly end. When the time to jump came, the crew simply wound up back on Cybertron.

As they all settled into ''Swerve's'' for a last drink, Magnus recited his favorite poem, which Megatron revealed had had written under a pseudonym. Adding that it was Impactor's favorite too, Megatron lamented that he'd wasted his life. Not wanting to leave it at that, Magnus gave a toast to all the friendships and bonds they'd forged... before construction cranes killed the moment and began disassembling the ship.

With Ultra Magnus once again acting as his defense orator, Megatron stood trial, Rodimus even falsely testifying that Megatron had been the one to open the duplicate Matrix. As the jury debated between infinite imprisonment and outright execution, Rodimus and Megatron had one last discussion, with Megatron revealing he'd always held onto his [[Rodimus Star]], before Magnus led him away. On their way to the sentencing chamber, Magnus revealed he was going to follow Megatron's advice and destroy the [[Magnus Armor]].

Years later, when Ratchet had passed, Rodimus placed Megatron's withered Rodimus Star on his tomb.

And far away, in some distant corner of the multiverse, the duplicate ''Lost Light'' materialized, ready to set sail for an infinity of new adventures. {{storylink|How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2}}

===Pax Cybertronia===
In a vision of the future seen by Ironhide and Alpha Trion during the reformatting of Cybertron, fifteen million years hence, Ironhide still believed Megatron to be alive and promised a young Autobot they would defeat him again if he ever returned. {{storylink|Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia}} {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}}
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==''Spotlight: Mirage''==
[[File:SLMirage all in good time.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
Somewhere, in an unknown time or place, the self-serving mercenary Mirage dreamed of Megatron and his Decepticons launching a massive attack on the Autobots. But Mirage knew that to only be a dream; in reality, the Autobots were almost eradicated, and Megatron had hired him to hunt down the last of their number. Megatron was outraged by the mercenary's demand for a majority share in all energon mining operations as payment, but it proved to be fuel well spent, as he soon succeeded in locating Optimus Prime and forcing him to surrender. Megatron demanded the prisoners be executed despite Mirage's promise to spare Autobot lives. Seeing Mirage's hesitation, Megatron appealed to his greed. {{storylink|Spotlight: Mirage}}
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==Ask Vector Prime==
[[File:AHM 1cvrEXCL.jpg|left|thumb|upright=0.85|I think this is a killing joke!]]
In [[Primax 708.10-R Lambda]], Megatron cracked the codes to an Autobot forward listening outpost. He walked in, shot [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]], and then laughed and took a photo of what he had done. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/06}}
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==Notes==
[[File:MegatronOrigin2 Megs hair.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55]]
*In [[Megatron Origin issue 2|''Megatron Origin'' #2]], we see that Megatron's helmet is, in fact, a helmet and not part of his head (at least in his original body). Upon removing his helmet, Megatron then briefly unfurls a crest. The significance of this moment is not explained, but it is briefly revisited in [[Remembrance Day|''More than Meets the Eye'' #14]] when a helmetless Megatron spars with [[Overlord (G1)|Overlord]].
[[File:MTMTE Megatron Alt.jpg|thumb|left]]
*Apparently, the stealth bomber Megatron design used in IDW for a while was created by artist [[Don Figueroa]]. However, he created the design as part of a story pitch to editor [[Andy Schmidt]]; a pitch the editor rejected. Schmidt proceeded to use the design for this comic, but without compensation or credit to Figueroa; something the artist was highly displeased about.<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/don-figueroa-designed-idw-s-stealth-bomber-megatron-but-wasn-t-compensated--t96022s0.php archive of Figueroa's post on the subject at Seibertron forum]</ref>
*Megatron's post-"[[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|Dark Cybertron]]" body was never seen transformed into its alt mode, although [[Alex Milne]] tweeted concept art during the run of ''Lost Light'' that showed Megatron transformed into a heavy tank.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Because you asked for it and because I found the old sketch which I recently cleaned up. Here is MTMTE Megatron's alt mode (Fusion canon included) I recently found all the design scribbles which I will clean up to share soonish. Enjoy #transformers #MTMTE #megatron https://t.co/Dth3GnOXQ8|link=https://twitter.com/markerguru/status/951902998141087744|name=Alex Milne|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=01|day=12|(defunct=)}}</ref> As this tank design would have required Megatron's signature Fusion Cannon, which had been discarded prior, it would have been left largely unhelpful anyway. By contrast, [[Nelson Dániel]]'s [[:File:LL3 cvrRI.jpg|retailer incentive cover]] for [[Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|''Lost Light'' #3]] showcases a different tank design using a different cannon.
*[[James Roberts]] clarified on Twitter that any members of the [[Functionist Council]] who survived into the Great War era were assassinated by [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] at Megatron's command.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Megs' choice|link=https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/1055107548318220288|name=James Roberts|site=Twitter|year=2018|month=10|day=24|(defunct=)}}</ref>
*In [[How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2|''Lost Light'' #25]], it is revealed that Megatron (under a pseudonym) wrote Ultra Magnus's, and Impactor's, favorite poem, "[[Afterlight]]". ''"You flare, you flicker, you fade. And in the end, all your tomorrows become yesterdays."''
*Megatron's serial number, "071-980", is an apparent reference to July 1980, the month in which [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]]'s ''{{w|Shogun Warriors (toys)|Shogun Warriors}}'' #18 was published, in which the name "Megatron" was first used by the company.

==References==
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[[Category:Anti-Vocationist League]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Autobots]]
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[[Category:Gladiators]]
[[Category:Lost Light crew]]
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Potato

2023-07-18T00:56:43Z

Wack'd:

{{disambig2|the Molcar|the anthropomorphic potato|Mr. Potato Head}}

:''Potato is a Molcar from {{w|Pui Pui Molcar}}.''

[[File:Molformers.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|So is he a [[Transmetal]] or...?]]

In a time of rising beasts, only one can hold the title of [[Earth]]'s strongest.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=Earth's Strongest Beast "Awakens"...?! Potato transforms! Pweeee 🥕🥕|link=https://twitter.com/molcar_anime/status/1677150443347013633|name=molcar_anime|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=07|day=07}}</ref> '''Potato''' (ポテト, ''Poteto'') represents the pinnacle of beast/machine synthesis, possessing an unusual vehicular guinea pig mode. The people of the universe can rest easy knowing that this powerful "Molformer" fights alongside the [[Autobot]]s and [[Maximal]]s.

His only known weakness is his affinity for [[carrot]]s.

==Commercial appearances==
*Potato was present alongside the Autobot and Maximal forces during their campaign against [[Unicron]]'s [[Terrorcon (ROTB)|minions]]. Though his main contributions to the fight were frightened squeaks and slapstick pratfalls, he nevertheless bravely led a stampede of other Molcars into battle. {{storylink|Commercial/Japan#Transformers: Beast Awakening|PUI PUI Molcar × Transformers: Beast Awakening}}

==Notes==
*Potato is the main character of the Japanese stop-motion anime ''{{w|Pui Pui Molcar}}''. The majority of his shots in the trailer take place on typical Molcar sets, albeit in a CG'ed version of the show's typical aesthetic. He only shares the screen with an actual Transformer once, at the end of the trailer, where he leaps into action with [[Optimus Primal (ROTB)|Optimus Primal]]. TakaraTomy's official ''Transformers'' movie PR account warns viewers that, unfortunately, Potato does not appear in the full version of the film.<ref>{{citesocial|quote=残念ながら映画本編には登場いたしません。|link=https://twitter.com/tf_autobot/status/1677150444890787840|name=tf_autobot|site=Twitter|year=2023|month=07|day=07}}</ref> #ReleaseTheMolcarCut!
*Potato's main robot mode artwork is based on a "Molformers" parody poster that frequently appears in the background of many of the show's scenes.<ref>A [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/pui-pui-molcar-x-transfomers-rise-of-the-beasts.1250417/#post-21480918 TFW2005 post] of a screenshot featuring the Molformers poster</ref>

==External links==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWLDMCNy44M "PUI PUI Molcar" × Movie "Transformers / Beast Awakening" Special Collaboration Video] on the Pui Pui Molcar YouTube account (region locked)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0QxT3Pt8P8 Movie "Transformers / Beast Awakening" PUI PUI Molcar Special Collaboration Video] on the Paramount Pictures (Japan) YouTube account

==References==
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[[Category:Rise of the Beasts Transformers]]

George Krstic

2023-05-18T20:27:21Z

Wack'd:

[[Image:Nice.jpg|right|thumb|250px|He digs giant robots.]]

'''George Krstic''' is a writer and producer of animated series. Probably most famous for co-creating [[Cartoon Network]]'s ''Megas XLR'' and story editing MTV's ''Downtown'', and the director of story at [[Activision|Blizzard]] writing fiction for ''Overwatch'' from 2016 to 2019, he will forever live in infamy as one of the only people left willing to take credit for ''[[Transformers: Combiner Wars (cartoon) |Transformers: Combiner Wars]]''.<ref name="imdb">[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5831646/fullcredits IMDB credits for ''Combiner Wars''], updated listing with only George Krstic writing credits, changed late September, 2016.</ref><ref name="collider">[http://collider.com/transformers-combiner-wars-trailer/ Collider.com article] with writing credits for George Krstic and F.J. DeSanto, from July, 2016.</ref><ref name="tfw2005">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/01/29/final-script-transformers-combiner-wars-machinima-series-completed-308637 Tweet from Eric S. Calderon] celebrating the finished scripts, from January, 2016; tweet since deleted, archived by TFW2005.</ref>

==Episode scripts==
===''Transformers: Combiner Wars''===
''All episodes co-written with [[Eric S. Calderon]] and [[F.J. DeSanto]]''
{{collist|2|
* [[Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Optimus Prime]]
* [[Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Victorion]]
* [[Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Starscream]]
* [[Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Windblade]]
* [[The Fall]]
* [[The Council]]
* [[The Duel]]
* [[Unforgotten]]
* [[Homecoming (CW)|Homecoming]]
* [[A War of Giants]]
* [[Darkest Hour (CW)|Darkest Hour]]
* [[Destruction's Dawn]]
}}

===''Transformers: War for Cybertron Trilogy''===
''Overall story co-written with [[F.J. DeSanto]]''
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Galvatron (G1)

2023-05-08T07:27:35Z

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:''Galvatron is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:Galvatrong1.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|Bwaaaaah! Kneepad of Dooooom!]]

Whether he's born from the fires of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] himself, an ancient [[Transformer]] warlord, or something else altogether, one thing is always certain: '''Galvatron''' is a focal point of power and madness given form. He is blind to all but his lust for power; his whims and desires can be sacrificed in a moment's rage. Not even his own subordinates are safe. Though he is not beyond the capacity for long-term goals, it is his unpredictability and casual disregard for any and all life that strike such horror in friend and foe alike. Truly, the [[Decepticon leader]] is without any sense of empathy.

In most universes, Galvatron was once [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] but was reborn from his death throes in a Faustian pact with Unicron. He retains the memories and spark of Megatron but his personality was significantly altered after the near-death experience, massive physical upgrade and reprogramming; just ask [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] about the difference. And that was ''before'' he went insane. The cause and extent of Galvatron's madness varies between [[Multiverse|different timelines,]] as does his physical power. Sometimes he's all but invincible.

{{bigquote|Before a society can move forward, all must agree on the rules. Now '''kneel!'''|Galvatron|"[[Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee]]"}}

{{note|Galvatron's mental state, personality, and origin differ considerably across many continuities. See individual sections for specifics.}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 toy bio===
Galvatron was an arrogant, compassionless, cold-hearted robotic villain. He was a [[City Commander]], but set his determination toward nothing less than the leadership of Decepticons. He plotted against his own allies, which weakened his position in the Decepticon cause. {{storylink|Galvatron (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Galvatron bio}}

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
{{Main|Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity}}
[[File:FFOD2 Galvatron sparks.JPG|thumb|upright=1.66|The sparks mean he's going to shoot you. No sparks also means he's going to shoot you.]]

Following Optimus Prime's death, Megatron was rebuilt by Unicron into Galvatron. Though Galvatron at first proved to be a potently cunning Decepticon leader, he suffered brain damage following his defeat at the hands of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]]. Galvatron was now a screaming, unpredictable madman who would turn on his own soldiers as readily as his enemies.

Diverging timelines took Galvatron in two paths. In one, Galvatron fled to space with [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] following a failure to blow up the sun, Earth, and Cybertron. In another, Galvatron became buried under ice by the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] and eventually returned as Super Megatron with the aid of [[Dark Nova]].
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===''Scramble City'' diorama===
[[File:ScrambleCityToysGalvatronvsMagnus01.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Galvatron shoots silly string of doom.]]
During a massive brawl between the Autobot and Decepticon [[combiner]]s, Megatron took the upper hand. To counter this, Optimus Prime ordered [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] to enter the fray. Metroplex rolled onto the scene and towered over his enemies, with City Commander [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] in tow. Not to be outdone, Megatron ordered his ''own'' [[City Commander]] to enter battle. Beaming down from the sky on a ball of light, the silent and menacing Galvatron stormed the battle. Transforming into cannon mode, Galvatron fired a blast of energy at Ultra Magnus, who quickly transformed to [[robot mode]] and engaged his foe in hand-to-hand combat. As the fight seemed evenly matched, City Commander Galvatron's ''city'' finally arrived to tip the odds: [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]! {{storylink|Scramble City (diorama)|Scramble City}}
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===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{note|There were multiple Galvatrons from various alternate futures who often time-jumped to give the Autobots trouble. Their precise number — and even their precise pre-Unicron character of origin — remains inconclusive, due to the brevity of some stories, the confusing effects of serial time travel, and the [[retcon]] being worked into the Marvel comics at about the same time that would eventually reveal the "Megatron" in many of these stories to have actually been a clone vessel for [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]].}}
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====Galvatron I====
[[File:GalvatronTFMMarvel1.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|"I'm all like, 'There is no way you can pick up chicks in a tank!'"]]
Cast out of [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] on the journey back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] after a [[Battle of Autobot City|failed attack]] on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in [[2006]], the wounded and dying [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] was found by [[Unicron]] and recreated as Galvatron. {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}} Immediately after destroying [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] and reclaiming [[Decepticon leader|leadership of the Decepticons]], Galvatron watched as Unicron consumed [[Moonbase One|one of Cybertron's moons]], and furiously announced that they belonged to him. Unicron responded by psychically torturing Galvatron, reminding him that he was his master. Galvatron was then ordered to Earth, where he and his minions attacked Ultra Magnus's Autobots as they attempted to make their way off-planet. They were waylaid when the Autobot commander triggered a domino effect within an asteroid field to jam the Decepticons' sensors, a trick Galvatron remembered being used against him once before in his Megatron days. Galvatron nonetheless caught up to his prey, and began blasting the Autobots' ships. Ultra Magnus managed to trick Galvatron into believing the latter succeeded in destroying his vessel by separating its front segment as several [[Moleculon Torpedo]]es made contact with the ship's rear segment. {{storylink|Judgment Day!}} ''Resolving to free himself from the shackles he was unaware he had donned, Galvatron formed a plan to use Autobot [[time-jump mechanism|time-travel technology]] to send himself and his lieutenants [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] back in time to the year [[1986]], thereby putting himself beyond Unicron's reach. Once in the past, Galvatron planned to create a superweapon with the power to destroy Unicron, which would be left hidden on the planet and activated upon his return to the future.''

[[File:Target 2006 Prologue Galvatron, Scourge & Cyclonus.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Darn that Soundwave.]]
''Upon Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge's arrival in 1986, the laws of space and time caused them to [[mass substitution|mass-displace]] [[Prowl (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Prowl]], [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]], and [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] to [[limbo]], immediately removing some of the greatest obstructions to Galvatron's scheme. Seeking an alliance with his past self to expedite his plan, Galvatron traveled to the [[Wyoming base|Decepticon base]] in [[Wyoming]] and shared his story with Megatron, carefully leaving out the fact that they were the same individual. Naturally, Megatron didn't buy into the [[time travel]]ler's story and attacked him, but Galvatron was more than a match for his past self, who he left unconscious and entombed under a mountain of rubble. Taking control of the Decepticons, Galvatron put the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] to work building the colossal cannon he would use to destroy Unicron, but soon found himself forced to alter his plan when news came in that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] had come to Earth. Capturing [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]], who had been spying on the Decepticon construction project, Galvatron lured the Autobots into a battle which he used to prove his superiority, taking every shot they fired and utterly dominating them with his Unicron-borne strength.''

[[File:Target2006 Galvatron laughs.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Sure glad these guys don't have a [[Pathblaster]]!]]
''Realizing they were helpless against Galvatron, the Autobots were forced to unearth the buried Megatron and strike a deal with him, hoping his talent for warfare would help them defeat their future enemy. Alas, this plan fared little better, until a trio of Autobots—[[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Hot Rod]], [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Kup]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]—arrived from the future to help (who had, unbeknownst to anyone, actually been sent back in time by Unicron to curb his rebellious creation). Ultra Magnus engaged Galvatron in a furious traveling battle, drawing the future Decepticon away from the cannon construction site so that the Autobots could set up their plan. Although he fought bravely, Magnus was ultimately defeated, and Galvatron returned to the cannon site, only for the weapon to be suddenly destroyed in a huge explosion set by the Autobots. Galvatron emerged from the wreckage to see what he thought was the architect of the explosion, Starscream (but was, in fact, an unconscious [[Skywarp (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Skywarp]] painted to look like the air commander by Hot Rod's team), and in a fit of anger, blew him up. After a moment, Galvatron realized something was amiss: if he had now destroyed Starscream in the past, how then could he go on to destroy him in the future? Coming to the conclusion that he had accidentally traveled back into an alternate timeline, and thus, no action taken then would affect his future, Galvatron and his troops returned to their proper time—just as the Autobots had planned.'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} {{storylink|Prey!}}

[[File:FallenAngel-Unicron.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|No wonder he's nigh-invincible! He's denser than Unicron's skin!]]
''Upon his return to 2006,'' Galvatron was tortured back into submission by Unicron and sent on a quest to steal the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]]. Accomplishing this goal, Galvatron then tried to use the power of the Matrix against Unicron himself, but found he was unable to open the talisman. Unicron consumed Galvatron for his treachery, and it was there, within the chaos-bringer's body, that Galvatron was soon confronted in climactic battle by Hot Rod. During their fight, Hot Rod reclaimed the Matrix and was transformed into Rodimus Prime, then used his new strength to hurl Galvatron through Unicron's hide and into the void of space. {{storylink|The Final Battle!}} {{storylink|Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} ''What nobody knew, however, was that Galvatron had kept the [[time-jump trigger device]] he had used to control his return from 1986, and he was able to save himself by using it to send himself back into the past once more, this time with the intent to stay. Arriving in [[1987]], he materialized above Earth and proceeded to crash down to the planet's surface like a meteor, catching the attention of [[Cybertron Seven|a group of Autobots]] who had just arrived on Earth themselves. His mind unhinged by the terminal velocity impact, madness began to creep over Galvatron, and he easily bested the Autobots, believing himself to battling the hated Rodimus Prime. A contingent of nearby Decepticons led by [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] were drawn to the battle, and Shockwave concluded based on past reports that Galvatron posed a threat to his leadership, ordering his troops to aid the Autobots. This had something of a calming effect on Galvatron, who retreated on the basis that he could not destroy the Decepticons, as then he would have no army to command in the future.'' {{storylink|Fallen Angel}} {{storylink|Resurrection!}}

''Galvatron's escape to 1987 went unnoticed by all, save two: the bounty hunter [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]], who sought to claim the reward Rodimus Prime had rashly placed on the Decepticon leader's head,'' {{storylink|Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} ''and a vengeful Unicron who plotted to reach back in time and snatch him back for punishment.'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

[[File:Galvatrons Power Siphon.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Galvatron! We have finally completed your hot tub!]]
''Galvatron constructed a [[power siphon]] that would enable him to absorb the energy of the [[Mount Verona]] volcano, making him as powerful as a god. As the siphon began its work, Ultra Magnus crossed paths with Galvatron once more. Though Magnus managed to momentarily beat down Galvatron, he defeated Magnus once again. Galvatron dragged him to his power siphon, and gloated about his scheme. '' {{storylink|Burning Sky!}}'' Galvatron prepared to throw Ultra Magnus into the volcano, when he was attacked by Rodimus Prime, Kup, and Blurr, who had traveled back from Galvatron's era to disrupt his plans. Galvatron knocked out Kup and Blurr, but as he readied to square off against Rodimus, Death's Head joined the fray. Rodimus and the bounty hunter bickered over who would be taking down Galvatron, a debate the latter had no patience for. After forcing Death's Head to retreat, Galvatron and Rodimus duelled, and Ultra Magnus helped damage Galvatron's power siphon, allowing the Autobots to escape.'' {{storylink|Hunters}}

''After Galvatron finished repairs, Goldbug and Wreck-Gar, along with Kup and Blurr, attacked him. Easily thwarting the 21st century Autobots, Galvatron was distracted by Ultra Magnus, while Wreck-Gar and Rodimus snatched up the time jump device and began modifying it to send them all back to the future. After throwing Magnus into the volcano, Galvatron realised the Autobots plan and fought Rodimus. He was electrocuted when Rodimus blasted a nearby power cable. However Galvatron recovered, and savagely beat his old enemy. Death's Head, wishing to be paid by Rodimus, fought Galvatron, unwittingly giving the Autobots the time they needed. The device was triggered, and all the 21st century Transformers were returned to the future, aside from Galvatron, having modified it to stay behind. ''{{storylink|Fire on High!}} ''Goldbug was left to face Galvatron, as Ultra Magnus, having escaped the Volcano, believed he could not defeat him. Goldbug was quickly overpowered but before Galvatron could deliver the killing blow, the reenergised Ultra Magnus arrived. During the course of the battle, the maddened Galvatron ripped a piece of the siphon’s control equipment loose. This resulted in the siphon losing control of the volcano’s eruption. Galvatron, too crazed to notice the danger, was entombed along with Ultra Magnus within the crater.''{{storylink|Vicious Circle!}}

[[File:Enemy action seacons.JPG|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
''But while Galvatron was trapped, encased in a tomb of his own making, he was also very much alive. Learning of this, and seeking to remove any opposition to his leadership, then-Decepticon leader Shockwave sent the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] and [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] to rig the volcano with bombs and blow up Galvatron. As this would have meant the destruction of Ultra Magnus as well, the Throttlebots stepped in, and with the aid of humans [[Cindy Newell]], [[Joy Meadows]] and [[Susan Hoffman]], drove the Decepticons off. Unfortunately for the Autobots, a small explosion triggered during the battle cracked Galvatron's lava prison,'' {{storylink|Ladies' Night (issue)|Ladies' Night}} ''and he was soon able to tear himself free. Knowing that taking over the Decepticons by force would not win him any favors among their ranks, Galvatron instead resolved to turn them against Shockwave by making them doubt his leadership. To this end, he made a menacing bee-line for the Decepticons' [[Club Con|undersea base]], prompting the panicked Shockwave to send the [[Seacon (G1)|Seacons]] against him. Galvatron was moderately impressed by the might that their combined form [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]] was able to bring to bear, but the gestalt was still no match for the future Decepticon's might and quickly fell before him. Galvatron proceeded to tear his way into the base, and declared before the assembled Decepticons that he had actually desired an alliance, but that Shockwave's aggressive actions had rendered it an impossibility, and then departing, knowing the seeds of dissent had successfully been sown. On his way back to the surface, Galvatron discovered the damaged Autobot [[Fizzle]], and in a fit of charity, carried him out of the ocean, emerging into the midst of a battle between Fizzle's fellow [[Sparkabot|Sparkler Mini-Bots]] and the [[Firecon]]s. Galvatron laughed off the Firecons' suggestion of an alliance, then backhanded Fizzle into a tree when he tried in vain to stop him from leaving.'' {{storylink|Enemy Action!}}

[[File:Magnus V Galvatron "Salvage!".jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
''Galvatron proceeded to stalk the Sparkler Mini-Bots after they rescued Ultra Magnus from Mount Verona, and attacked the smaller Autobots with relish, knowing Magnus was helpless to stop him, demoralised from the psychological scars cut from repeated defeats at his hands. As Galvatron pretty much beat the crap out of the Sparkabots, Magnus finally managed to get his act together, taking Galvatron by surprise. With a few powerful punches (and one heck of a kick), Magnus managed to sent Galvatron into retreat, defeating Galvatron at last!'' {{storylink|Salvage!}}

[[File:Galvatron wrecking havoc marvel uk 173.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.7]]
''Soon after, Galvatron arranged to meet his ex-lieutenants Cyclonus and Scourge, who had since wound up stranded in the past and sought use of his time jump trigger device to return to the future, unaware the device had been destroyed. Drafting a particularly freaked-out human to carry him into the middle of a city in his shrunken pistol mode, Galvatron informed his former subordinates that they would have to swear complete loyalty to him; unsurprisingly, they refused, but before a battle could begin, the three Decepticons were interrupted by the [[Wreckers]], sent to Earth via dimensional portal to take Galvatron out. Galvatron's choice of meeting place hampered the Wreckers significantly, leaving them unable to unleash their weapons for fear of harming humans, and the battle did not to go well, forcing [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] to resort to trickery. Pouncing on Galvatron, he loudly announced he had stolen the non-existent time jump device, luring the dimwitted Cyclonus and Scourge away. Galvatron was left facing the rest of the Wreckers, but he easily convinced them to go to Springer's aid and fled while they were occupied.'' {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}}

[[File:TimeWars-frakamm.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Oh no, look out, c-string characters!]]
''Galvatron's time-traveling (along with that of the other Autobots and Decepticons) eventually caused [[time rift|a rift in time and space]] that threatened both the present and the future, opening a timestorm at both ends of the timeline that consumed the planet [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]] in 2008.'' {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}

''Having sought a weapon to use against Galvatron, Shockwave recovered what he believed to be the deactivated Megatron from the bottom of the [[Thames]] (but which was in fact a [[Straxus (G1)|clone]]) and brainwashed him into his service, unleashing him in the hopes of eliminating one or both of his rivals. After a 'dry run' against Cyclonus, Shockwave decided Megatron was ready now and despatched him after Galvatron.'' {{storylink|Dry Run!}} ''Unfortunately, Galvatron managed to appeal to the suppressed personality within Megatron, and the two joined forces!'' {{storylink|Altered Image!}}

[[File:TimeWars7-TimeRift.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|[[Simon Furman|Furman]] liked Galvatron, he just liked [[death|killing characters]] more.]]
''The Galvatron-Megatron alliance met both the [[Wreckers]] and the Decepticon [[Mayhem Attack Squad]] in combat when both team, in a tenuous alliance, launched an assault on their base of operations. The combined forces of both Galvatron's future and past self proved too much for [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Carnivac (G1)|Carnivac]]'s team, the Decepticon leaders easily mowing through their members. Though Megatron suggested the pair rest after driving off the enemy forces, Galvatron refused to relent, and pursued Springer's group even as they retreated. Outside, the battle was joined by several other members of the combined forces of the present-day Autobot and Decepticons, and the future Autobots and Decepticons. By this stage, Galvatron was consumed by madness, reliving memories of the same battle ''as Megatron'' and unable to stand that things were going differently ''this'' time round. In his fury, he was able to overcome all resistance: even a direct [[Pathblaster]] to the face and single combat with Powermaster Optimus Prime failed to stop him completely. His threat was only truly ended when the time rift itself appeared in the skies over Earth, and Galvatron, lost to insanity, stood defiantly before it, declaring his superiority. The energies of the rift consumed Galvatron, tearing him to pieces and dragging his remains into its timeless depths.'' {{storylink|Time Wars}} ''Megatron had already walked off by this point, but believed his transformation into Galvatron was inevitable and ''this'' time he planned to ensure it worked ''right''.'' {{storylink|The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire.}}

''Long after the [[Great War (G1)|war]], the time traveller [[Dicet Alpha-zero]] peeked on nine key events in the Transformers' war for a history project. Galvatron's second trip back in time was considered the fourth key event. After stepping on the proverbial butterfly at [[Mount Verona]], Dicet saw a Time Wars where Optimus fought Galvatron while Rodimus fought Megatron. It ended the same way though!'' {{storylink|The Quest!}}
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====Galvatron II====
[[File:GalvatronthereisnoescapeSurrender.jpg|thumb|small|right|More like "Galvatron Too", am I right?]]
{{main|Galvatron II}}
This way lies madness.

====Other====
[[File:MarvelUK224 Head Toss.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"Now ''HEADS'' up! Ha, I'm on a roll today!"]]
''In the year [[2356]] of an alternate future, a geriatric Rodimus Prime recounted tales of his exploits to [[Trachis|a curious youth]] from his deathbed. In that timeline, the Time Wars had reset history: now the newly created Galvatron ''hadn't'' time-traveled to 1987 Earth, and instead had remained in the 21st-century and conquered Cybertron. This "reset" Galvatron tried to enrage Rodimus—even going so far as throwing [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]]'s severed head at him—so that the Autobot leader's vengeful thoughts would corrupt the Matrix itself.'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}} {{storylink|The Void! (UK)|The Void!}} ''This Galvatron was last seen in a flashback to Unicron's third coming in the year [[2010]] (of that timeline): as Galvatron was left buried under rubble and Transformer corpses, Rodimus noted that on this occasion Unicron had no need for minions.'' {{storylink|Aspects of Evil!}}
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=====The Big Broadcast of 2006=====
{{NoteMarvelBB2006}}
[[File:Rodimus prime galvatron big broadcast of 2006.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1]]
In an alternate future of 2006, Galvatron was leader of the Decepticons on their home base of [[Chaar]]. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] tried to tell him about some strange activity on the planet [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]], but he wouldn't listen. Meanwhile, the events on Junkion caused a hypnotic signal to be broadcast out into space, which affected Galvatron while he was watching his [[bubbling pool]]. The signal compelled him to travel to Junkion, where he was led to believe he could "be a winner". He was followed by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]].

Once on Junkion, they were soon joined by Autobots. Galvatron immediately attacked [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]], and the two battled to a stalemate. The other Autobots worked to disrupt the hypnotic signal, which cleared Galvatron's mind long enough to blast the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]' television, which he recognized as influencing his mind. This broke the spell on everyone, including the Junkions, who then added their power to the Autobots' and forced the Decepticons to retreat in [[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]].

In the course of this battle, his defeat at the hands of Rodimus Prime while inside Unicron was alluded to. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}
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===''PDTF Comic''===
[[File:PDTypeBlackball1.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb]]
After taking to wearing four [[Blackball]]s around his neck as a necklace, Galvatron spotted Rodimus Prime, who'd found another of the precious artifacts. He attempted to throttle the Autobot, only for a brilliant light to shine directly at him. Galvatron fled, believing it to be the power of the Blackball, only for Rodimus to reveal it was just a flashlight... {{storylink|PDTF Comic##11 "Take a Stand! Rodimus Prime!"|Take a Stand! Rodimus Prime!}}

Galvatron later led an attack on Battleship Maximus, {{storylink|PDTF Comic##12 "Bigger than Life! Fortress Maximus!"|Bigger than Life! Fortress Maximus!}} was knocked flat by [[Ginrai (human)|God Ginrai]], {{storylink|PDTF Comic##13 "Now! Deliver the Finishing Blow! God Ginrai!!"|Now! Deliver the Finishing Blow! God Ginrai!!}} and he and his men were sent scrambling as Fortress Maximus and [[Scorponok (G1)|Mega Zarak]] traded blows. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##14 "Watch Out! Mega Zarak!"|Watch Out! Mega Zarak!}} When Ultra Magnus found the final Blackball, Galvatron blew the defiant Autobot apart in order to obtain it. As he was enjoying his victory, he was suddenly bowled over — by Ultra Magnus' head. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##16 "Improve Yourself! Ultra Magnus!"|Improve Yourself! Ultra Magnus!}}

Galvatron's insanity finally out of control, [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], [[Liokaiser]] and the other Decepticons were left with no choice but to bound their leader in rope and try to rationally explain to him that he was too crazy to be left free any longer. Galvatron then reminded them that unless they made his detainment more comfortable, such as providing a futon among other luxuries, he would surely destroy them all. Frightened by his looney faces, the Decepticons quickly brought him a hot cup of tea. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##19 "Two in One! Lord Galvatron"|Two in One! Lord Galvatron}}

When a Blackball landed somewhere in a field of tall grass, Galvatron sent Liokaiser to fetch it. Bitter with the menial task, Liokaiser began muttering unflattering remarks under his breath. He was then left to nervously explain himself to Galvatron, who was in earshot the whole time. {{storylink|PDTF Comic##20 "Find the Bright Day! Liokaiser!!"|Find the Bright Day! Liokaiser!!}}

===Ladybird Books continuity===
[[File:Decepticonhideout.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|Right in the manifolds!]]
Galvatron traveled back in time from the 21st century and took leadership of the Decepticons from Megatron in the '80s. Under his rule, the Decepticons constructed three spy satellites, [[Decepticon Space Station Argon|Argon]], [[Decepticon Space Station Krypton|Krypton]] and [[Decepticon Space Station Xenon|Xenon]] which they used to spy on the Autobots. The first mission Starscream was sent on as a result of the gathered information ended in failure, much to Galvatron's rage, but at least it seemed as though [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] hadn't found the satellite. The Decepticons were to later learn that the Autobots had, in fact, gotten wind of the network of stations, as a false transmission set the three stations on a course for each other. Galvatron deactivated the [[refractive shield]] too late to prevent their destruction. {{storylink|Galvatron's Air Attack}} His next move was to establish a base in a [[human]] factory within striking distance of [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], but it was soon discovered by [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]]. The Autobots attacked in force, during which Galvatron suffered the indignity of being hit by a wrecking ball swing by Spike. The Decepticons were driven off back to their base. {{storylink|Decepticon Hideout}}
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===Sticker Adventures books===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Galvatron Attacks}}}}

===Marvel coloring books===
In a bid to replenish their ever dimishing energy supply, Galvatron led his troops to [[Oil Valley]] to steal some of the fuel there. Upon his arrival at the oil drilling area, he began to instruct his troops on making the local humans into slaves, when he noticed that Hot Rod was nearby. Hot Rod took off in the direction of Autobot City, and so Galvatron and his troops gave chase. The Decepticons found further oppostion when they encountered the Dinobots. A brawl ensued, and Galvatron managed to ground Swoop by blasting his wing. The Decepticons nonetheless found themselves on the losing side, even more so when Ultra Magnus arrived with reinforcements. Abandonning his troops, Galvatron hurried to the oil field in order to procure some of it for himself. But Grimlock pursued him and the two continued to fit amidst the oil towers. Galvatron was soon defeated, and was forced to retreat by boarding Cyclonus's ship mode. {{storylink|Battle at Oil Valley}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|The Invasion of the Decepticon Camp}}}}

When Galvatron's spy, Laserbeak, reported back to him that the Autobots had long ago lost a large shipment of Energon cubes at the Ark's original crash site, Galvatron deployed his troops to unearth it. The Autobots soon arrived on-site, and the two factions began to fight. When Rumble uncovered the case containing the Energon, the Autobots attempted to play keep-away with the Energon, only for Galvatron to catch up to it when Brawn passed it to Grimlock. Galvatron and Grimlock wrestled over the box, causing it to split open and spill its content all over the ground. Then, before anyone could stop him, Starscream scrafed down all of the Energon and proclaimed himself to be the most powerful Decepticon. He and Galvatron fought over the leadership of the Decepticons while the Autobots made themselves sparse. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Hot Rod's Escape}}}}

===''Big Looker'' storybooks===
While enviously admiring the energy collecting abilities of Autobot City, Galvatron got a spy report about a new robot car being introduced at a car show. He decided the robot car would make an ingenious blueprint for an army of robot workers to create an equally effective city for the Decepticons. Galvatron's men snuck into the Coliseum and planned a black out during the car show in order to steal the robot car. They also captured Kup, who spotted them snooping around. As the car show began, Kup tripped Galvatron as he moved through the control booth, causing the Decepticon leader to crash through the observation glass and alerting the Autobots below to the Decepticons' location. Galvatron and the Decepticons were forced to flee with no robot car. {{storylink|Car Show Blow Up}}

===Toy pack-in material===
Metroplex, Springer, and Blurr teamed up in a battle on a moon base in an attempt to slay Galvatron. Springer managed to connect a powerful punch on Galvatron, sending him hurling away. {{storylink|Decipher the Decepticon}}

Having successfully stolen the Creation Matrix from the Autobots, Galvatron and his troops guarded the relic at their headquarters. Fooled by an army of Autobot [[decoy]]s, Galvatron lost possession of the relic. He vowed afterwards that the Decepticons would create their own decoys in order to counter this new Autobot technology. {{storylink|Start Your Own Decoy Collection}}

===Find Your Fate Junior===
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====Autobot Alert!====
In one possible scenario, Galvatron led a plot to hijack the Earth's communication satellites. Once in control of every television broadcast on Earth, he made his intentions known; he was to be conqueror of the Earth, and so long as its populace was obedient, they needed not fear his wrath. He then awaited the Autobots’ compliance within his personal ship, Cyclonus, alongside his army of multiwing jet fighters.

In a later broadcast, Galvatron demanded that all who viewed his image on the television screen bow before it in his honour. In a possible sequence of events that followed, the Autobots successfully sabotaged the Decepticons’ command centre, immobilizing Galvatron's ship in orbit. Galvatron's broadcast showed his face turning purple with rage before it cut to static, signalling the end of Galvatron's ploy.

In another scenario, Galvatron remotely captured both Hot Rod and Bumblebee, and planned to use the pair as hostages to insure that Ultra Magnus would not interfere in his plan.

In yet another possible scenario, Ultra Magnus and a crew of Autobots opened fire onto Cyclonus, from within their shuttle in orbit. Galvatron emerged from Cyclonus in response, followed by the multiwing jet fighter Decepticons. Despite the Autobots attempting to retreat, Galvatron caught up to them and began tearing their shuttle apart with blasts of his laser cannon. He then laughed triumphantly as Ultra Magnus's troops began to drift helplessly into the void of space as their shuttle crumbled around them.

In a completely different possible scenario, Galvatron led a Decepticon campaign to retrieve a sphere of cybertite, containing the secrets to an ancient Autobot power-booster within it. After his troops learned that the sphere was within a sunken ship off the California coast, Galvatron headed a squad to retrieve it.

In one possible scenario that ensued, Galvatron happened upon the Autobots already at the coast, in the middle of hauling the ship out of the water. Galvatron blasted both the ship and the sphere, ensuring that the Autobots would not have access to its secrets, and then began raining down Decepticon firepower upon his foes.

In an alternate scenario, Galvatron arrived at the coast while the Autobots hid away. Ordering the Constructicons to merge into Devastator, Galvatron had the combiner raise the ship from the water manually.

If Ironhide, Brawn and Grapple attempted to snatch the ship away from Galvatron, the Decepticons destroyed both the ship and the sphere within to prevent it from falling into Autobot hands. Galvatron now knew that the Autobots were hidden away in nearby caves, and had his Decepticons use their superior firepower to pin them down, leaving them at his mercy.

If Springer, Seaspray and Topspin put into motion their plan to retrieve the sphere, Galvatron and his troops were too distracted by the sea-bound Autobots to notice that Springer had retrieved the sphere until it was too late. With the formula in the hands of the Autobots, Galvatron would soon find himself on the losing end of the war. {{storylink|Autobot Alert!}}

====Project Brain Drain====
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Galvatron was informed by Soundwave that the Decepticons’ [[Brain Drain device]], capable of syphoning away the brainpower of humans and convert it to energy, had been completed and was ready to be put to use for the Decepticon cause. Galvatron decided upon testing the device on the crowd that would be attending the rock concert [[Heywood Heights]] later in the day. Although Galvatron was confused as to what kind of music the rocks would be playing, he felt the massive concentration of unsuspecting humans (roughly 500, 000!) was a perfect target to attain massive amounts of energy.

In one possible outcome, Galvatron's plot proceeded forth without any Autobot interruptions, and the Decepticon gained an upper hand in their war with the Autobots that would most assuredly grant them total victory.

In another possible scenario, Galvatron received a distress signal from Decepticon headquarters moments before he was about to enact his plan. Forced to put off his scheme in order to fend off Ultra Magnus and his troops, Galvatron returned to the Decepticons’ mountain fortress still clutching the Brain Drain device. Though he fought fiercely, he was defeated and the Brain Drain device was destroy when Ultra Magnus triggered an avalanche that buried the Decepticons in snow.

In another possible scenario, Galvatron and his troops were surprised to find the Autobots hiding amidst the parked vehicles surrounding the concert just as he were about to put his plan into action. But as Galvatron had planned to set afire the parking lot surrounding the concert in order to prevent the humans from escaping, he continued forth with his plan, hoping to destroy the Autobots in the process.

In one possible set of events, the Autobots rushed forward out of the parking lot to better protect the humans. While the Autobots busied themselves with fighting his troops, Galvatron prepped the Brain Drain device, ready to use it as the battle between the Autobots and Decepticons still raged. Bumblebee, who had noticed Galvatron fiddling with the device from afar, attempted to halt Galvatron's efforts.

If Bumblebee crashed directly into Galvatron in an attempt to make him drop the Brain Drain device, Galvatron managed to regain his balance before he dropped the device, only for Bumblebee to explode after having been reduced to a flaming heap by the nearby inferno. The explosion in turn destroyed the Brain Drain device, foiling Galvatron's plot. If Bumblebee instead attempted to throw a truck at Galvatron to stop him, the truck explodes before Bumblebee has a chance to launch it, and Galvatron successfully activates the Brain Drain device.

In another possible scenario, the Autobots remained in the blazing parking lot in order to fight the Decepticons in close-quarters. Galvatron and Ultra Magnus grappled, with Galvatron eventually managing to fling Ultra Magnus away into the area near the bandstand. With Ultra Magnus out of the way, Galvatron readied the Brain Drain device. But both Hot Rod and Bumblebee were at the ready to stop Galvatron from using the device.

If Bumblebee attempted to stop Galvatron, the Decepticon leader merely laughed at Bumblebee's futile efforts before crushing him underfoot. Galvatron then activated the device, and successfully drained the nearby humans of their intelligence.

If Hot Rod interfered, the young Autobot successfully plucked the Brain Drain device out of the Decepticons’ hands, and then made his getaway through the nearby ring of fire. Enraged, Galvatron chased after him, racing Ultra Magnus as both headed towards Hot Rod. Though Galvatron reached Hot Rod first and retrieved the Brain Drain device, Ultra Magnus lassoed the Decepticon leader with a damaged electrical cable. The electric current running through the cable cause Galvatron to flail wildly, leading to him crushing the device himself. With his plan foiled, Galvatron ordered a retreat.

In another possible scenario, Galvatron arrived at the concert as his Decepticons were already fighting a small group of Autobots. Leaving his minions to deal with the threat, he began activating the Brain Drain device, only to have it either be blown out of his hands by Ultra Magnus, or destroyed by Wreck-Gar. With a howl of rage, Galvatron ordered a full retreat.

In an alternate outcome, Galvatron and his troops were able to sneak up on the Autobots guarding the concert, as the heroic robots were anticipating the Decepticons to arrive from the wrong direction. After destroying them, Galvatron proceeded to use the Brain Drain device on the concert-goers, and laughed triumphantly as he robbed them of their collective brain-power. {{storylink|Project Brain Drain}}
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====The Invisibility Factor====
[[File:InvisibilityFactorGalvatronShockwaveandScavenger.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"Scavenger, stop tickling that Autobot!"]]
In one possible scenario, Galvatron and some troops were on a patrol in a desert at night. Upon spotting a spaceship that flickered in-and-out of sight, they investigated. Finding the Autobots Kup and Hot Rod conversing with a woman at the ship's landing site, Galvatron and the others fired upon them, causing them to scramble away. Galvatron then ordered his troops to stay and scrutinize the spaceship instead of chasing after the Autobots.

If Hot Rod and Kup decided to attack immediately, Galvatron was wounded by one of Kup's laser blasts. The Autobots were easily defeated and destroyed by the Decepticons nonetheless.

If Hot Rod and Kup silently followed the Decepticons back to their hide-out in a nearby canyon, they managed to tricked Galvatron and the others into thinking that they were being ambushed by a whole squadron of Autobots. Panicking, the Decepticons attempted to retaliate by firing in all directions.

If Hot Rod snuck down and successfully snatched the Invisibility Device from Shockwave, the Decepticons gave chase to the young Autobot. They were unable to catch him before Kup fired down onto the canyon's walls, causing it to collapse and burying the Decepticons under an avalanche of earth and rocks.

In an alternate scenario, Galvatron and the other Decepticons decided to take off into space in [[Sarah Sanders]]'s ship after acquiring the Invisibility Device. Whether the Decepticons succeeded in mastering the Invisibility Device and subsequently destroyed the Autobots, or were destroyed or defeated themselves depended on what choices the Autobots made from this point on.

In a completely different scenario, Galvatron was in the process of creating his own ships with invisibility capabilities, armed with [[neuron beam]]s. When the Autobots failed to find one of his test crafts in the desert, Galvatron was able to retrieve it, and later launch a full-scale assault on Metroplex. He destroyed both the city and its inhabitants while gloating of his victory.

In another possible scenario, Galvatron and his troops happened upon Sarah Sanders's ship before any Autobots had come in contact with her. While Scavenger held the woman captive, Galvatron and the other Decepticons dragged the ship itself to a hidden location. In whichever scenario that followed, the Autobots managed to steal the Invisibility Device from the Decepticons, either dazzling Galvatron with their headlights while Hot Rod took it right out of their hands, or tricking most his troops into leaving the spaceship behind while they pursued the young Autobot on a wild goose chase. Now outnumbered, Galvatron was forced to flee.

In an alternate scenario where the Autobots silently trailed Scavenger while the Decepticon held Sarah Sanders captive, Sarah was brought before Galvatron within the Decepticons’ secret desert base. Galvatron demanded from Sarah the secret to invisibility. When she would not comply, Galvatron ordered Bombshell to use his Cerebro-Shells to control her mind. In one possible scenario, Galvatron succeeded in fending off the Autobots who attempted to rescue Sarah, and with her knowledge conquered the Earth. In another outcome to these events, Galvatron and his troops were distracted by holographic projections courtesy of the Autobot Jazz. Though this did buy the Autobots enough time to scoop up Sarah and flee, Galvatron soon caught on to what was happening, and ordered his troops to pursue the Autobots. Whether or not Galvatron would recapture Sarah and conquer the Earth, or fail in stopping her from giving the secrets of invisibility to the Autobots depended wholly on chance. {{storylink|The Invisibility Factor}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
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Galvatron took to talking to [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], as the cassette perched mutely on his shoulder. He was also even more abusive than usual towards his men. He was pleased when a potential new source of [[energon]] was discovered on an asteroid, but particularly ''dis''pleased when [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] returned with a [[Observer|small alien]]. After exhaustive tests by a violently coerced Cyclonus, positive results were found, and Galvatron rubbed his hands together in glee before sending out Ratbat to find more of the aliens. Instead, they discovered that the Autobots were also on the asteroid, and Galvatron was more than happy to start inflicting violence on the enemy rather than waste time on small organics. {{storylink|The Test (issue)|The Test}}

In search of slaves for the Decepticon energy research laboratory, Galvatron took [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] and [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] to attack the space station [[S.S. Exton 9]]. The Decepticons used their new [[suspension-ray beam]] to paralyze the humans, and sat back to wait for the containment ship to turn up. When they detected [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] leaving the station, Galvatron ordered Ratbat to contact Cybertron for reinforcements. Unfortunately Cosmos' mission was a success, helping some children to return with the [[Prism of Power]]. Galvatron demanded the children surrender and turn over the Prism, threatening to kill them unless they complied, but Cosmos was able to distract him long enough for [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] to finish off Razorclaw and blast the Decepticon leader. {{storylink|Transformers in 3-D issue 2|Transformers in 3-D #2}}

Alerted to the existence of the Intergon Device, Galvatron led a strike force to [[Tau-Ursa]] and successfully seized the device from its inventor, [[Monitorus]], before razing the city to the ground. Building the device into the "[[Nullification Cannon]]", Galvatron used it to attack the Autobots' energon plant on Cybertron, rendering its contents useless. While Optimus Prime was distracted by [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]], Galvatron left, announcing as he did so that the Autobots would now have no choice but to surrender. Returning to the ancient, burned-out destroyer which the Decepticons were using as a base, Galvatron was informed by the [[Clone (subgroup)|Clone]]s that the Autobots were searching for [[Metascan Alpha]], the planet of the [[Logicon]]s that also contained a bounty of energon. While he was ruminating about the implications, Galvatron was forcefully reminded by Lord [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]] that the Nebulan now led the [[Decepticon]]s. A short time later, Optimus Prime attacked their location, fighting Galvatron. Before Galvatron could stop him, Scorponok swung a claw at the Autobot leader and struck the cannon instead, destroying it. {{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}

====''Timelines''====
Galvatron tasked [[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] with finding the Destructons' ancient structure known as the [[Maelstrom Fracture Obelisk]]. Eventually finding it, Breakdown was about to report its location when the Destructon known as [[Psychokhan]] attacked with his Psychospear, accidentally expelling Breakdown from the universe and into [[unspace|transwarp space]]. {{storylink|Breakdown (G1)#G1TimelinesBreakdown|TFSS Breakdown bio card}}

===St. Michael ''The Transformers'' Sticker Book===
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Galvatron captained a Decepticon ship, with the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] serving under him. They managed to shoot down the ship being captained by Ultra Magnus, which crash-landed on the planet [[Barrenikon]]. Galvatron and his crew brought their ship planet-side as well to finish off their opponents. Galvatron stayed aboard his ship during the mission, however, leaving the dirty work mostly to the Combaticons. You nonetheless encountered him in a few possible scenarios, where you had to sneak aboard the Decepticon ship in order to steal one of their power packs. {{storylink|The Transformers Sticker Book (St. Michael)|The Transformers Sticker Book}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
Galvatron killed [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Knowledge of this event was later hidden away in protected archives by both the [[Maximal Elder]]s and [[Tripredacus Council]].

When Starscream's immortal [[spark]] traveled to prehistoric Earth and possessed [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]], the Decepticon claimed to the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] that he was killed trying to defend Galvatron from Unicron. [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]], having a better grasp of history than Starscream expected, later pointed out in private with Starscream that she knew that he was actually destroyed by Galvatron for being a traitor. {{storylink|Possession}}

====3H comics====
When Galvatron failed the Decepticons and the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] ended, [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] turned his loyalties to the gangster [[Cryotek (RID)|Cryotek]]. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

Galvatron reverted to his old name and appearance at some point, as [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] was one of the legendary Autobots and Decepticons residing in [[J'nwan]]. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}}

====2006 IDW ''Beast Wars'' continuity====
By one account, Galvatron died on Cybertron circa [[2035]] after a final battle with Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}} Others say he was defeated by four Autobot warriors and buried under ice on [[Earth]], while according to some he was pulled into another universe by [[Unicron]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook Glossary}}

[[Galvatron (BW)|A Predacon]] named himself after Galvatron. The paranoid [[Killer Punch]] believed that Galvatron was still active and plotting the destruction of the [[Maximal Imperium]]. {{storylink|Transformers: Beast Wars Sourcebook|Beast Wars Sourcebook #2}}

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
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Galvatron was a Decepticon leader that came after [[Megatron (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Megatron]] and had the power of [[Unicron/Generation 1#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Unicron]] coursing through his circuits. He was profiled on [[Vector Sigma#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Vector Sigma]].

Opinions on Galvatron varied. [[Cyclonus (G1)#Dreamwave Generation One continuity|Cyclonus]] saw him as the ideal Decepticon leader, lacking the weaknesses of the previous Decepticon leaders, and that he was unpredictable with guileful tactics and asymmetrical reasoning, while an anonymous Decepticon thought that Galvatron was insane, conceited, greedy and merciless and that he only cared about himself and not the Decepticon cause.

It was unknown if he was Megatron reincarnated. {{storylink|Transformers: More than Meets the Eye#Issue #2|Galvatron's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' profile}}
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===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
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====Ask Vector Prime====
Galvatron was created by [[Unicron]] from the body of a Megatron. Cyclonus and Scourge were created with him from the remains of Megatron's dead minions. They helped destroy their home reality and several more, before Cyclonus was decapitated by a Megatron attempting to defend his home universe. The [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] of this reality joined Galvatron's team, and they were eventually joined by [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/19}}

====Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic====
Galvatron and his four fellow heralds traveled into [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma|a new reality]] to prepare the way for Unicron's arrival. While the others defeated the Decepticon forces on Cybertron and took control of the [[space bridge]] Nexus, Galvatron was headed to [[Earth]] to track down [[Over-Run (Armada)|Over-Run]], a [[Mini-Con]] refugee from a Cybertron that Unicron had consumed. Over-Run was carrying the [[Mini-Con Matrix]], which contained the essence of all the Mini-Cons from his reality, and might be a means to defeat Unicron. When Galvatron arrived in [[San Francisco]], he was distracted by several Transformers on this planet, including [[Starscream (Armada)|Starscream]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]], and [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]], but easily bested them all. However, they managed to distract him long enough for Over-Run to escape. {{Storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}}

When the [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] of this reality launched his attack on the local Autobots on Earth, Galvatron arrived to destroy him, {{Storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}} declaring that he had killed "many" Megatrons in other alternate realities. Despite his putting up a valiant struggle, Megatron was pummeled within an inch of his life, but before Galvatron could finish him off, the [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Mini-Con Team]] intervened, forming the mighty [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]]. This allowed Megatron to overwhelm and eventually destroy Galvatron. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} The gloating Megatron subsequently hacked Galvatron's corpse to pieces. {{Storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}
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===2005 IDW continuity===
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An ancient Transformer warrior from the era predating the [[Thirteen]], Galvatron and his sibling [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] were gladiators who joined [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] in his crusade against the other Primes. {{storylink|Origin Myths}} When the tribes collapsed into [[First Cybertronian Civil War|war]], Galvatron became the first non-Prime to kill a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], slaughtering [[Nexus Prime]] and, ultimately, having a hand in ending the war with the guidance of [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]]. {{storylink|The Crucible}}

In the subsequent [[Golden Age]], Galvatron became one of [[Nova Prime]]'s closest friends and advisors. {{storylink|Primus: All Good Things|All Good Things}} He later served on the first ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', part of Prime's dream of expanding Cybertronian domination throughout the cosmos. However, Galvatron and the crew were lost when he plunged the ship into the mysterious anomaly in the [[Benzuli Expanse]], a selfish act that killed the rest of the crew. Undead, Galvatron became the herald for Nova, now known as Nemesis Prime, ruler of the [[Dead Universe]]. As the only member of the crew who could survive the living universe for any length of time, he was sent to secure the inactive [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] {{storylink|Spotlight: Galvatron}} and to prevent any interference with their plans for Earth. {{storylink|The Transformers: Devastation|Devastation}}

Ultimately, however, he betrayed Nemesis Prime's plans for expansion, shooting him in the back to obtain the [[Darkness (G1)|Heart of Darkness]], which [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] let him have - along with a dip in a [[solar pool]]. {{storylink|Revelation (IDW)|Revelation}} Years later, he emerged, remade by the Darkness and raising an army to defeat the Dead Universe's controlling intelligence, [[D-Void]], {{storylink|The Transformers: Heart of Darkness|Heart of Darkness}} until discovering he was actually doing D-Void's bidding at his last, just after infecting [[Vector Sigma]] with the Heart of Darkness. As he died once more, Optimus Prime was forced to sacrifice the Matrix to undo his deluded acts. {{storylink|Chaos (IDW)|Chaos}}

It turned out he was merely sent back to the Dead Universe and reunited with Nova Prime. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}} Now freed from D-Void's influence, Galvatron played a large role in the Dark Cybertron prophecy, even after Nova's death. When Megatron defected to the Autobots, {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}} Galvatron took the opportunity to seize command of the Decepticons.

He led them back to Earth, where they forged an alliance against the Autobots with the [[Earth Defense Command]] for the goal of peace. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|Detonation Boulevard}} Galvatron however was playing a long game to seize control of the planet for himself. {{storylink|Conquerors Part 4: Perihelion|Perihelion}} He nearly claimed it {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 1: Once Upon a Time on Earth|Once Upon a Time on Earth}} twice in the span of a few days {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 5: As Above...So Below|As Above...So Below}} before he was executed by Optimus Prime in the upper atmosphere of [[Jupiter]]. {{storylink|All Hail Optimus Part 6: No Fair Fights|No Fair Fights}}
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===''Universe'' toy bios===
At a time when the Decepticons were a scattered confederation of assassins and warlords, Galvatron arrived from parts unknown and quickly asserted his dominance. Crushing all who opposed him, he united the Decepticons into a powerful army "capable of threatening the entire universe". Rumors about his past were plentiful, but facts were hard to come by. Mostly the Decepticons simply cowered before his might, their fear preventing them from even ''thinking'' about following anyone else. Those few who dared to conceive otherwise, simply hoped that one day a rival would emerge who could best the tyrant. {{storylink|Galvatron (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Galvatron toy bio}} Unicron programmed Cyclonus to be loyal only to Galvatron. {{storylink|Cyclonus (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Cyclonus toy bio}}

===''Q-Robo Transformer''===
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===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in manga===
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Upon being cornered with his supply of [[energon cube]]s by the Autobots, Megatron took a bite out of one cube, transforming into Galvatron, who easily pulverized the Autobots. Ironhide tried to come to the rescue, but his attempt to attack Galvatron with his blade only ended in it being caught between Galvatron's teeth. But as Galvatron was about to fire upon Ironhide, an explosion occurred, revealing a weakened Megatron, who was then subsequently attacked by Ironhide. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 7}}

Once Megatron learned he had the ability to "power up" and become Galvatron, he later sought the chance to do this again by immersing himself in a pool of molten lava. [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], accompanied by Starscream and [[Nightstick (G1)|Nightstick]], watched and gloated in anticipation of the re-emergence of their unstoppable leader. However, the Autobots arrived, and during the subsequent battle, the lava pool was shot and collapsed. Galvatron did emerge after all...but all he did was berate his defeated troops for having allowed him to be awoken too early, while Cyclonus weakly attempted to protest. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 9}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun'' manga===
[[File:Henkei8 enter galvatron.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.55|Holy ''freaking'' '''''yikes'''''.]]
Upon touching the [[Energon cube#Henkei! Henkei! Comic Bun Bun pack-in manga|Energon Cube]], [[Optimus Prime (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Bumblebee]] and [[Wataru Hoshinoumi|Wataru]] were shown a vision of Galvatron. Optimus wondered if he was seeing Cybertron's history, unaware that it was a premonition of the future. {{storylink|Kingdom of Giants}}

Badly wounded in battle by Optimus Prime's energon [[sword]], the defeated and barely functional [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun comic|Megatron]] was carried from the battlefield by [[Cyclonus (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Cyclonus]]. Brought to a subterranean network of volcanic caves, Megatron was immersed in a "bath" of molten [[energon cube]]s to restore his strength. {{storylink|Time of Resurrection}} While Megatron was recuperating, [[Starscream (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun comic|Starscream]] led Optimus Prime and Bumblebee to his location, in hopes that they would destroy him so that he could take his throne. As Starscream and Cyclonus battled in the air, Prime approached Megatron, and without hesitation, plunged his energon [[sword]] into the Decepticon leader's chest and broke the blade off within his body. Megatron howled in pain and fury, and the energon cubes around him began to react, rising to whirl around him and surround his body with their glow. The maddened Megatron seized one of the cubes and bit into it deeply, causing a huge energon explosion. As the light from the blast faded, Megatron stood restored, renewed and reformatted... now, he was Galvatron! {{storylink|Creation! The New Emperor of Destruction!!}}

[[File:Henkei9 galvatron fires.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Cue the "oh slag" moment.]]
The hulking, slavering form of Galvatron immediately lunged for Optimus Prime, displaying a strength far greater than Megatron ever had when he punched Prime so hard that he shattered his [[mouthplate]]. Before Galvatron could destroy the fallen Prime, he was attacked from above by Starscream, but easily shrugged off the treacherous Air Commander's attacks. After seizing Starscream and slamming him into the rocks below, Galvatron unleashed the power of his cannon and apparently obliterated Starscream with a single colossal shot. This distraction gave Prime the time he needed to recover, but when he charged at Galvatron with his [[energon-axe]], Galvatron countered it with a dagger-like blade of energy projected from his hand. Next, Galvatron used his cannon to collapse a chunk of the cavern ceiling, hoping to crush Prime, but when Prime evaded the debris by transforming to truck mode, Galvatron shifted to tank mode and pursued him, blasting all the way. Eventually, Galvatron caught up to Prime and pinned him against a wall...by which stage, the other Autobots had arrived to back their leader up! {{storylink|The Threat of Galvatron}} At first, the combined might of the Autobots seemed to be a match for Galvatron, but with terrifying ease, the reformatted Emperor of Destruction tore through their ranks, defeating each and every one of them. His foes bested, Galvatron then turned his attention to the Autobots' ally [[Wataru Hoshinoumi]], a human born with the power to control [[energon]]. Wataru used his powers to create a forcefield to keep himself safe from Galvatron, and another threat soon appeared to occupy Galvatron's attention: Starscream was not quite defeated yet! His body broken and crippled, Starscream still pressed his attack against his former leader, and Wataru leant him a hand, providing a forcefield and boosted weapon power. Before being taken down, Starscream was able to hit Galvatron with one well-placed power-shot, re-opening the gash Optimus had originally torn in Megatron's shoulder with his energon sword. Seeing an opening, Optimus repeated the tactic, thrusting his sword into the wound and tearing Galvatron wide open. The resulte was a catastrophic release of energy from Galvatron's body, which caused the caves to collapse. The Autobots were able to escape to safety, but all the Decepticons were buried. {{storylink|Revenge (Henkei)|Revenge}}

[[File:Henkei11 not dead yet.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Is that how you treat someone after the first date?!]]
Although badly damaged, Cyclonus was able to survive the cave-in, and recovered the apparently-deceased body of Galvatron. After bringing the "corpse" back to the Decepticons' underwater base, Cyclonus discovered that Galvatron was not yet dead when the twisted cadaver of his leader lurched back into life and seized him about the throat, howling Optimus Prime's name...

[[File:Henkei12 galvatron possession.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Now he's copying his [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|subordinate]]. And they say mimicry is the highest form of flattery.]]
A little later, the Autobots were shocked to discover Galvatron going on a ''very'' public rampage in the middle of [[Hoshinochō]], and were forced to abandon any hope of hiding their presence from the humans in order to stop him. Even more of a monster than before and still bleeding destructive energy from his wound, Galvatron tore through both the human military and Autobot ranks, resisting even Wataru's boosted attacks. When Galvatron dived for the boy, Optimus Prime threw himself into his enemy's path, and Galvatron's claws smashed their way clean through Prime's chest, knocking the Autobot leader out. Unexpectedly, the Autobots' salvation was revealed by Galvatron's actions: Optimus Prime's [[Matrix of Leadership]] now stood revealed within his shattered chest. Responding to Wataru's powers, the Matrix surged to life and restored Prime, who struck Galvatron with an enormously powerful blow. As the Decepticon reeled, the energy bleeding from him shifted, and the Autobots discovered they were not fighting Galvatron at all, but Cyclonus...possessed by Galvatron's [[spark]]! {{storylink|A Nightmare, Once Again}}

[[File:Henkei12 galvatron lives.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Comes with power windows (not quite necessary), USB slot for the music collection (unless lacking a USB), adjustable seats with temperature settings (must have!), and the most important one: a cup holder for that wonderful (yet stolen) energon!]]
His true nature revealed, Galvatron unleashed the full extent of his bizarre powers, raking the cityscape with wild, unrestrained bolts of energy. Charging through the heart of the maelstrom, Prime summoned up the energy of the Matrix and struck Cyclonus' body with one almighty Matrix-powered punch. Cyclonus was atomized, and Galvatron's bodiless spirit flowed over Prime, dissipating into the ether.

The Autobots celebrated the apparent destruction of their eternal enemy, formally revealing themselves to the people of Earth and rounding up the remaining Decepticons hidden on the planet. Just as things seemed their brightest, Prime revealed the terrible truth: before disappearing, Galvatron's spark had revealed to him that he was not yet dead. In truth, before his rampage, Galvatron had his body placed in a small spaceship, which was then launched into space, on a course heading back to Cybertron. With a new group of Autobots appointed protectors of Earth, Prime and his team left the planet, hot on Galvatron's trail... {{storylink|To the Sea of Stars}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers -Visualize-''===
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===''Mini Mayhem!''===
When Galvatron unleashed [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], boasting that the gestal's combined animal strength was unparalleled, an ensemble of Battle Beasts stood united to prove him wrong. {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===''Timelines''===
After a [[Ultra Magnus (SG)|negative polarity Ultra Magnus]] instigated [[Invasion (issue)|multiversal chaos]] by destroying [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon]], two Galvatrons of unspecified universal streams were caught in the dimensional shockwaves as their universes were suddenly merged into one. {{storylink|Invasion: Epilogue}}

===''Kre-O'' cartoon===
[[File:Kreon Galvatron wallpaper.jpg|thumb|upright=1.8|You gotta wonder how all that insanity is kept in such a tiny body.]]
[[Spinister (G1)|Spinister]], Galvatron, and [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] were sent by [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] to rob the [[Autobot City Bank]]. In heavy disguise, they went in and got the drop on the bank tellers, only for [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (Kre-O)|Bumblebee]], and [[Wheeljack (G1)#Kre-O cartoon|Wheeljack]] to turn up. The Decepticons called in [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], who ripped the roof off the bank and disposed of the three Autobots, allowing the robbers to raid the vault of [[energon]]. {{storylink|Quest for Energon, Part 1}}

Later Galvatron operated the machine to help make Megatron a grilled cheese sandwich, but failed to spot Wheeljack and [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] sneaking onto the work site. When the interlopers were spotted, Galvatron and the other Kreons surrounded them, but they were merely a diversion. Moments later, the Decepticons were pelted with molten cheese and tied up in a net. {{storylink|Quest for Energon, Part 2}}

===''Kre-O'' online manga===
Megatron's ambition was to use [[Earth]]'s bricks to build a [[Grand Galvatron|planet-sized Galvatron-like body]] for himself. {{storylink|Megatron's Ambition!? The Solar Tower Is Built!}}

[[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]] invented a helmet that would upgrade Megatron to make him stronger, when he put it on his head, he was transformed into Galvatron. Galvatron went a destructive rampage causing [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] to call the Autobots to stop him. In the end, the Autobots took his helmet off and he changed back into Megatron. But to [[Breakdown (WFC)|Breakdown]]'s horror, Knock Out starting creating more helmets for Megatron to try on. {{storylink|Enter the New Emperor of Destruction!? Stop Galvatron's Rampage!|Enter the New Emperor of Destruction!?}}

===''Transformers × Evangelion''===
Upon gaining the power of an [[Angel]] by possessing its body, Starscream mused about using his newfound power against Galvatron, but he first decided to get rid of Optimus Prime once and for all. {{storylink|Mode "Eva" chapter 4}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
Some time in the 21st century, Galvatron was born out of Megatron by the power of Unicron. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} When the war spread to [[Nebulos]], numerous Decepticons [[binary bonding|bindary-bonded]] to local [[Nebulan|Nebulon]]s, though Galvatron's disgust with organics meant he refused to undergo the process himself. However, he still appreciated the boost of power it gave his forces. After the [[Scouring of Nebulos]] ended with the [[Human Confederacy]] limiting the Transformer war to a [[Allowed Zone|small region of space]], Galvatron hit upon a new idea; using the binary-bonding process to turn beings not into partners or weapons, but living batteries. The only problem with this scheme was that there were no convenient organics nearby for him to utilize. Having realized that his "true" enemies were the humans and seeking reinforcements to replace his army's ailing Nebulon Headmasters and Targetmasters in order to fight them, Galvatron ordered the Decepticons to the colony world of [[Master (planet)|Rebirth]] in the hopes of using the native [[Cyberdroid]]s as replacements.

The Decepticons joined with the [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus]] insurgency, and Galvatron bonded himself to a trio of Cyberdroid rebels. [[Nucleon (TR)|Nucleon]], [[Clench (BWU)|Clench]], and [[Doomshot]] all pledged fealty to Galvatron, and together they became the first "Triple-Threat Master". The partnership proved powerful yet unpredictable; although it took years off of Galvatron's life, the effect of his Cyberdroids tempered his infamous mental state. After overthrowing the planet's ruling [[Optimus (faction)|Optimus]] triumvirate, killing one of them in the process, and renaming the planet "Master", the Autobots arrived and the war re-doubled. The Decepticons managed to hold their ground against the Autobot onslaught and force them into a retreat. With the Autobot forces licking their wounds, Galvatron turned his attention back to the human blockade. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}} {{storylink|Derailment}}

Galvatron tried and failed to breach the Allowed Zone in a disastrous conflict known as the [[Great Push]]. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} {{storylink|Intersectionality}} This almost doomed the Cybertronian species as the humans responded to Galvatron's invasion by practically ''halving'' the territory they allowed Cybertronians to possess. The [[Builder of Cybertron|Builder]]s' best scientists thus destroyed Galvatron by vivisecting him, turning his remains into the [[G-Virus]]. Thereafter, Galvatron became known as the worst Builder in history, taught to be reviled by the Maximals and Predacons. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}} Despite what history recorded, Nucleon believed that Galvatron had very nearly succeeded in destroying the Human Confederacy. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

Nonetheless, the G-Virus eventually infected one victim: the Builder guard [[Cop-Tur (G1)|Cop-Tur]], who was transformed into [[Galvatron (BW)#Beast Wars: Uprising|a clone of Galvatron]], possessing the personality and memories of his progenitor. {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 185.0 Beta]], the Autobots launched the hugely successful [[S.T.A.R.S.]] program. Inspired, Galvatron restarted the research into the [[hypno-chip]]s, his scientists eventually developing the [[Decepto-Pack]]s, quasi-sentient backpacks that would enslave [[human]] beings. Galvatron sent his slaves to harvest Earth's resources for him, a task made easier by the Autobots' general unwillingness to fire on them, before he aggravated international tensions to the point of a nuclear strike. Harvesting the energy released from the bombing, Galvatron ordered his slaves to build him a fleet of [[Zod]] drones, using them to destroy the Autobots before he turned them against the galaxy.

With the Zod fleet, the [[Decepticon Empire]] conquered a sizeable portion of the [[Milky Way]] before they went to war with the [[Quintesson Pan Galactic Co-Prosperity Sphere]] and their [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcon]] hordes. The Quintessons put up enough of a resistance that Galvatron enacted a plan to transfer his very [[spark]] into the core of Cybertron, becoming "[[Grand Galvatron]]", so he could use his homeworld as the ultimate weapon against the [[alien]]s. As he was transferring his spark however, Galvatron was attacked by [[Ratchet (G1)|The Autobot]] and the [[Dreadnok]]s, who managed to destroy his spark at the cost of their lives. Though Galvatron perished, the Decepticon Empire lived on, continuing to fight the Quintessons for many more centuries. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/06/04}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' continuity===
====''Prime Wars Trilogy'' marketing material====
[[File:TitansReturn-galvatron.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
When the [[Titan Master]]s returned to contemporary civilization and joined the Autobot-Decepticon war, Galvatron, partnered with [[Nucleon (TR)|Nucleon]], declared that the Decepticons would use the power of the Titan Masters to rule the universe. {{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

====''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons====
Megatron was once transformed into Galvatron by the power of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]], though he reverted to his original identity at some point. While fighting Megatron, [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Cron]] would guess that some residue of Unicron remained in the Decepticon. {{storylink|Countdown (POTP)|Countdown}}
When the [[Matrix of Conquest|Matrix of Chaos]] was removed from Rodimus Cron, Unicron attempted to force it into Megatron, hoping to turn him back to Galvatron and make him his puppet. This was prevented when [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimal Optimus]] blasted them both with the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]], destroying them. {{storylink|Saga's End}}
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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
Watching the Transformers' war from afar, Galvatron was impressed that humans, who'd he once considered weak and useless, were proving their worth and lending their power to Autobots and Decepticons alike. He looked forward to seeing how things would turn out with so many strong warriors involved in the war. {{storylink|Looming Threat}}

===''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' continuity===
====''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor| [[Jason Marnocha]] (English), [[Ryūzaburō Ōtomo]] (Japanese)|[[Serge Biavan]] (French), [[Guilherme Lopes]] (Portuguese), [[Jorge García Insúa]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Carlos Segundo]] (Latin-American Spanish), [[Lalit Agarwal]] (Hindi), [[Tobias Lelle]] (''Earthrise'', German), [[Sascha Rotermund]] (''Kingdom'', German)}}
[[File:Earthrise5BeholdGalvatron.jpg|thumb|300px|''Guess who's back! (back-back) Back again! (gain-gain)'']]

After a nearly endless war that resulted in the [[AllSpark]] parting from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] for good, {{storylink|Kingdom episode 1}} [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] killed [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]], lamenting that they should have worked together. Afraid of the possibility of this occurring in the past, [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] enslaved and reformatted Megatron into a life of servitude as Galvatron. Megatron's reformatting was recorded at the end of the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|''Voyager'' Golden Disk]], which Megatron used to record his every action during the Great War. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 5}} As the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s died out, Unicron and his minions were a constant threat to the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacons]] that emerged from the uninhabitable Cybertron. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 6}}

Seeking to prevent his slavery under Unicron, Galvatron traveled to the past via the [[Dead Universe]], {{storylink|Kingdom episode 6}} when the ''[[Nemesis (G1)|Nemesis]]'' entered the Dead Universe in pursuit of Optimus Prime within the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]''. Materializing in the bridge of the ''Nemesis'' before his past self, Galvatron was evasive of his true identity and intentions, frustrating Megatron. However, Galvatron was able to get his attention by asking him to destroy Optimus Prime and take the [[Matrix of Leadership]] for himself. After praising the Decepticon leader for not trusting him, Galvatron rekindled Megatron's memories of the gladiatorial pits where he rose in status using the power of his rage and hatred. When the ''Nemesis'' caught up with the ''Ark'', Galvatron taught Megatron to use the properties of the Dead Universe to transform his hate and rage into tangible energy that he used to strike at the ''Ark''. However, the blast was blocked by a sacrificial [[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]]. His plan foiled, Galvatron was painfully pulled back to his native time by Unicron, who promised to punish him severely for this transgression. Galvatron attempted to turn over the Golden Disk in another desperate chance to change the past, but it disappeared as he did. {{storylink|Earthrise episode 5}}

In his proper time, Galvatron, with the Golden Disk in tow, swore to Unicron that he will find a way to break free from his servitude. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 1}} The Golden Disk was eventually in the hands of the Maximals, and Galvatron allowed [[Megatron (BW)|Predacon Megatron]] and his band of thieves to steal the disk and take it to Megatron in the past, out of hope to prevent his encounter with Unicron. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 6}} While Megatron was in a maze-like forest that was altered by the Allspark, he envisioned Galvatron claiming he must try again and again. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 3}}

Galvatron conspired with the Unicron-reborn Optimus Prime, known as [[Nemesis Prime (G1)|Nemesis Prime]], to once again rebel against their master and used the Dead Universe to travel through time, intending to coerce Megatron to use the Allspark and destroy Unicron at the cost of Cybertron. During the ''Ark''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s return to Cybertron, Galvatron snuck aboard the ship and freed Megatron from the stasis field for the "big finale". Once Megatron accepted that Galvatron is his future self, he explained his servitude to Unicron and that he freed Megatron to claim the Allspark for him and use it to destroy Unicron, thus averting the destiny of slavery Megatron would endure otherwise. As they prepared to meet up with Nemesis Prime, Galvatron and Megatron fought against the Autobots and Maximals, with the former getting knocked down by [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] before easily overpowering and throwing him aside. After leaving their enemies disoriented, they confronted Optimus Prime and Galvatron explained their plan and revealed that their existence was the result of Prime's removal of the Allspark and subsequent failure to return it.

[[File:WFC-Kingdom-Ep6-Unicron-punishes-Galvatron-Nemesis.jpg|thumb|300px|left]]
But before Galvatron could make a move, a four-way alliance of Autobots, Decepticons, Maximals, and Predacons arrived, all standing in solidarity against the forces of Unicron. Galvatron mocked the prospect of Megatron being a part of the united factions until the latter actually turned on him thanks to Optimus and Starscream. Once Galvatron warned his past self that he would not be immune to Unicron, a massive battle broke out. Galvatron stood his ground against the factions, easily defeating Predacon Megatron. Just as he ordered Nemesis to take the Allspark, the very relic soon deployed a defense of its own: the sparks of Transformers who died throughout the war. Galvatron and Nemesis charged at the spirits only to be struck down by the spirit of [[Elita One (G1)|Elita-1]].

Having survived the attack, Galvatron was left stranded in space only to be found by Unicron once more. After scolding his minions and musing that their journey through the Dead Universe had given him "ideas", Unicron drew Galvatron towards him to initiate the reformatting process as he screamed in agony. {{storylink|Kingdom episode 6}}
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====''War for Cybertron Trilogy'' marketing material====
[[File:Kingdom Golden Disk Megatron becomes Galvatron.jpg|thumb]]
In a possible destiny recorded on the ''Voyager'' Golden Disk, Megatron became Galvatron and wore the [[Matrix of Leadership]] chained around his neck. {{storylink|Source:Golden Disk destinies|''Kingdom'' Golden Disk cards}}

Closer than ever to reaching the Allspark, the Decepticons awakened after crash-landing on pre-Ice Age Earth. While battling the Autobots, both sides were joined by the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, their epic battle changing their combined destinies.

As the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|''Voyager'' Golden Disk]] foretold, Galvatron's function was the future evolution of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and he [[trans-scan]]ned into a spacecraft. His [[Dark Energon]] and ultra [[fusion cannon]] were his powers and weapons, and his core traits were his obedience, jadedness, and menace. Galvatron's message from the future was that his past is the key to his liberation. {{storylink|War for Cybertron: Kingdom|''Kingdom'' webpage}}<ref>[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/kingdom ''Kingdom'' webpage]</ref>
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===''Last Bot Standing''===
When Rodimus explained the Cybertronian race to [[Shib Wallkis]], he remembered Galvatron leading the Decepticons in the Great War before the conflict finally drained the universe of its resources. {{storylink|Last Bot Standing issue 2|Last Bot Standing #2}}

==Commercial appearances==
*Galvatron, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] were flying over a highway when they happened upon [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] carrying several Autobot troops in his car-carrier mode. Galvatron swore that their first encounter would also be their last, and the two teams began to duke it out. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Ultra Magnus and Galvatron|Ultra Magnus and Galvatron commercial}}
*Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge were joined in battle against the Autobots by [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]]. Galvatron boasted that his new minion was a "one-robot-army," and listed off all of the Six-Changer's modes, taking advantage of Sixshot's "laser-pistol" mode to blast Rodimus Prime. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sixshot|Sixshot commercial}}
*The [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] base was housing Galvatron when the [[Technobot (G1)|Technobots]] attacked it on a distant alien world. Galvatron rushed out of the base and ordered Scorponok to deal with the aggressors. After the Technobots combined into [[Computron (G1)|Computron]], Galvatron ordered Scorponok to transform to robot mode and destroy the Autobot combiner. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Computron and Scorponok|Technobots and Scorponok commercial}}
*Galvatron and Cyclonus met with their Decepticon agent [[Punch (G1)|Counterpunch]] in an isloated spot. There, Counterpunch handed Galvatron an Autobot device, and declared that Galvatron could definitely trust him... {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Punch and Clones|Punch/Counterpunch and Clones commercial}}
*While Galvatron continued to lead Scourge, his [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]], and numerous other Decepticons on attacks against the Autobots on Cybertron, special teams from both factions left the planet to expand the war to the planet [[Nebulos]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Headmaster comic book|Headmaster comic book commercial}}
*Galvatron's voice narrated a handful of commercials, including:
**The Decepticon [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Decepticon Headmasters|Decepticon Headmasters commercial}}
**The [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Targetmasters|Targetmasters commercial}}
**The [[Duocon]]s and [[Throttlebot]]s {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Duocons and Throttlebots|Duocons and Throttlebots commercial}}
**The "small" [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Small Headmasters|Small Headmasters commercial}}

==Controversy over identity==
[[File:MarvelUK-202.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Yeah, this'll ''really'' help with the whole insanity thing.]]
{{bigquote|Well, they were the same guy.|[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]'s thoughts on the subject|"[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1]]"}}
As the above media summaries show, Galvatron has had wildly differing origins across numerous continuities. Some of this was the result of Galvatron's "intended" identity, popularized in the 1986 movie, having not been known in advance by all the creators of all the international franchise branches at once. However, other cases represent later creators deliberately starting from scratch. Since the conceptual existence of multiple dimensional variants of Galvatron predates — by about 17 years — the development of multiple dimensions of Transformers storytelling within a [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)|multiverse]], it can be especially hard to neatly separate all his appearances into "main" and "peripheral" storylines / personifications.

Even when focusing strictly on Galvatron's most well-known incarnation — the G1 animated series — there has been considerable debate through the years. Some fans believe Galvatron is a psychologically distinct and discontinuous entity from Megatron, almost, or equally, as much as [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], who demonstrate no continuity of memory or personality with their former Decepticon selves. This remains a topic of heated debate in some circles, in spite of a fairly unambiguous canon.

===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
In the Generation 1 cartoon continuity, Galvatron evidently still self-identifies as being the same person as Megatron, albeit with greater power and a new name. Although not seen to be making a point of revealing this former identity to his troops at large, Galvatron makes his sense of self clear when Starscream asks "Megatron? Is that you?" to which he replies, "Here's a hint", before obliterating him. Later in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' when Galvatron is poised to crush [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]]'s neck, he boasts: "First Prime, then Ultra Magnus, and now you. It's a pity you Autobots die so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now." Again, Galvatron is obviously speaking with no sense of discontinuity of identity or personality as he refers to past and current acts as both Megatron and Galvatron without qualification or distinction. Some might contrast this statement with his earlier line, "I, Galvatron, shall crush you, just as Megatron crushed Prime", interpreting that such a statement implies a disconnect from his former life.

Early story notes for the movie state that Galvatron is "''a deadlier version of Megatron. Less bluster, more ruthless action''". Further, in an early draft of the script, Galvatron reveals his "true" name—Megatron—to Hot Rod at the film's climax, with the implication that Megatron has merely been playing along with Ingestor's (the early version of Unicron) plans and has only pretended to be his willing servant, while in fact retaining his original identity and plans for conquest. The final version of the film leaves this a bit more ambiguous. Although, as noted, it seems fairly clear in the film that Megatron is playing the role of "Galvatron" that has been imposed upon him (even for his own troops) until such time as he can betray Unicron.

At TFCon 2016, when [[Flint Dille]] was asked if Galvatron was meant to "retain the memories of Megatron" after his [[reformatting]] by Unicron, Dille (who seemed confused by the question) replied that Galvatron *does* still see himself as Megatron and that the Unicron-Galvatron relationship is a parallel of the Megatron-Starscream relationship. [https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.toys.transformers/x4aHakN0KJA/PfzDhd8aCgAJ TFCon 2016 Report- Flint Dille revelations and other tidbits]

During season three, Galvatron makes little or no further references to his past life as Megatron. Upon meeting the resurrected Optimus Prime in "The Return of Optimus Prime", however, Galvatron behaves as though simply picking up where he left off with his old nemesis from his Megatron days, as does Prime, saying that he knows Galvatron "all too well". This indicates that the Autobot leader is capable of recognising his former adversary despite the change in name and appearance. Furthermore, in "Five Faces of Darkness", Astrotrain states that Megatron and Galvatron are "the same guy", implying that the other Decepticons (or, at the very least, Astrotrain) figured out what was going on or were simply always aware of Galvatron's identity.

Despite all that, a memorial of Megatron can be seen prominently in the [[Decepticon Crypt]] in "[[Starscream's Ghost]]", implying that the Decepticons who built it considered Megatron to be dead. This could possibly be explained by presuming the Decepticons built the marker before Galvatron returned and seized command, though their window of opportunity to do so was rather slim.

===Japanese fiction===
[[File:EarlyGalvatronTVMagazine1.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|I hope you enjoyed that shining wizard, Magnus, because it's a very long way down.]]
Early advertisements for the Galvatron toy presented the character as an altogether separate being from Megatron, and in some cases, even being Megatron's ''underling''. The second "[[Scramble City (diorama)|Scramble City]]" OVA was a remake of the original animated version, albeit including the Galvatron toy for promotion. Galvatron appears to fight his nemesis, Ultra Magnus, as Megatron barks orders from the background. This is likely due to Takara wishing to advertise the toy as quickly as possible, without full knowledge of the character's history. To maintain Galvatron's mystique, he was given the function of "City Commander", with no indication that he was an upgraded Megatron. Continuing this trend of unintentional disassociation, very early promotional artwork featured in ''[[TV Magazine]]'' and ''[[Comic Bom Bom]]'' also presented Galvatron as a separate character.

However, this era was very short-lived. In all official Japanese fiction, including the [[manga]] and the Japanese-exclusive cartoons, Galvatron is locked in as an upgrade of Megatron. A [[retcon]] was created by writer [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]] for [[e-HOBBY]] in order to explain away the bizarreness of some of these early [[story page]]s, detailing that the Galvatron seen there was actually a dimension-travelling [[Galvatron II]].

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===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{bigquote|Not '''like''' Megatron—'''I AM MEGATRON!'''|[[Galvatron (G1)#Galvatron I|A particular Galvatron]] shares his thoughts on the matter|"[[Target: 2006]]"}}
In the US and UK Marvel comics, the various time-hopping Galvatrons all demonstrate an awareness of having previously been Megatron with no strong indicators of a break in psychological identification. The closest that these Galvatrons come to identity crisis are incidents in which a time-displaced Galvatron is confronted by Megatrons (or copies thereof) and does battle with his former self. Although in these instances Galvatron experiences trains of thought that suggest he sees Megatron as a separate being and/or the source of his madness that needs to be destroyed, these are not the musings of a calm, rational mind. In these instances, Galvatron is in the grips of a psychotic episode, which he generally snaps out of by realising that he and his opponent are indeed the same person.

However, things are complicated by many appearances by Megatron being retconned as a ''clone'' of Megatron. There was no hint the clone was a clone until "[[Two Megatrons!]]", so naturally "Megatron" and Galvatron were written as being past and future versions of themselves. Galvatron even remembers events that happened ''to the clone'', and the clone [[The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire.|goes on]] to plot his schemes under the knowledge that he will become Galvatron one day. The memories do not fit with Galvatron's known backstory ''at all''. ([http://www.tf.to2k.co.uk/fiction/whogalvatron.html One theory] is that ''this'' Galvatron wasn't the same one as in "Target: 2006" but a different one formed from the clone.)

A possible explanation for why (any version of) Galvatron retains psychological continuity with Megatron, while his fellow Unicron-creations do not, may be that [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]], et al. were apparently already dead or in total stasis lock at the time of their reformatting, and thus it is widely speculated that only their bodies were used to create Cyclonus and company. Whether this indicates that they retained their life-essences and merely suffered total mind-wipes (either as the result of recent death or by Unicron's doing), or if Unicron actually infused their reformatted bodies with new life-forces is unknown. (On the other hand, none of the other Unicron-created Decepticons have faced their past selves or deeds the way Galvatron has.) Megatron, by comparison, was clearly alive and awake at the time of his reformatting and struck a bargain with Unicron for "a new body", a deal which implied that his mind would remain his own.

==Games==
===''Transformers: The Headmasters''===
When the Decepticons captured some of the Autobots' greatest warriors, Galvatron and [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] stood guard over [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] on Cybertron. They were defeated and their prisoners were rescued by [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and the other freed Autobots. {{storylink|Transformers: The Headmasters (video game)|Transformers: The Headmasters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[File:TF PS2 Galvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
{{voiceactor|[[Jeff Manning]] (English)}}

Galvatron appeared in a valley where the Autobots had detected an SOS signal. He materialized in front of the Autobots and mistakenly believed that the Rodimus Prime was among them. He berated Rodimus for thinking that he could vanish and get help from the Autobots of the current time period. He then realized his mistake and was momentarily startled by the sight of Optimus Prime before realizing that Optimus was not killed yet in this time period. He introduced himself to the Autobots and then contemplated aloud if he should say that is was nice to meet them before realizing that he already knew Optimus very well. Galvatron decided to fight Optimus, deciding that Rodimus was a worthless opponent, and warned Optimus that he would feel the power of the future Decepticons. He summoned his troops and charged the Autobot squad. The Autobots severely damaged Galvatron, but this only angered him. Galvatron transformed to his turret form and blasted the Autobots, disorientating them. Galvatron decided to use this chance to flee and commanded his forces to retreat. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
After Megatron was reborn as Galvatron in [[Unicron]]'s maw, he gatecrashed [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s coronation and blasted the Air Commander into dust. {{storylink|The Coronation of Starscream}} He would also later aid Unicron when the planet-eater attacked [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|'Til All Are One (Legends)|'Til All Are One}} Retaking control of the Decepticon army from Starscream, he led them in an assault on the Autobots, which was ultimately defeated by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] and his team. {{storylink|All Hail Galvatron}} Desperate to turn the tide of the battle, Galvatron summoned [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. With the giant's help, the Decepticons successfully pushed further into Autobot territory, despite the Autobots fielding [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]]. {{storylink|The Colossus War}} Following Unicron's destruction, Galvatron ended up on the planet [[Krull]]. [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] managed to find him, and he destroyed the planet as they left. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness: Part 1}} Returning to Chaar, he found his army gone, aligned with the [[Quintesson]]s, but managed to find and reclaim them. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness: Part 2}} He soon struck a deal with the Quintessons and attacked Cybertron for them, but following an attempt by them to destroy all Transformers with an ancient device, Galvatron was prevented from shooting Rodimus Prime by [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness: Part 3}}

Galvatron led his Decepticon troops into an assault that forced a small group of Autobots into taking cover within the [[Autobot Mausoleum]]. {{storylink|Dark Awakening (Legends)|Dark Awakening}} Thanks to Unicron, Galvatron was unexpectedly plunged back in time, and immediately encountered [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and Megatron, who had been fused together. Joined by other Decepticons from the era, Galvatron attacked the pair, but was sent into a retreat by [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]] and other Autobots who arrived. {{storylink|Savage Circle}} With Galvatron's abuse of his men causing dissent in the ranks, [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] took him to the planet of the [[Torkuli]] for treatment, however the treatment proved ineffective, and the pair had to flee as Galvatron destroyed the planet. {{storylink|Web World}}

Galvatron was tricked by the Quintessons into attacking the location where slumbered the Trans-Organics and the Dweller, deep within Cybertron. Oblivious to what he was about to unleash, Galvatron destroyed the facility located at the Quintessons' false coordinates, prompting Wreck-Gar and Ultra Magnus to intercept him and his troops. During the battle that ensued between both Cybertronian factions and the Quintessons' ancient creations, Galvatron was too consumed by his own rage to look after his own troops, and attacked the Autobots despite the threat that the Dweller presented. Despite this, both factions were able to escape eventually, and rocketed back to their respective bases. {{storylink|Dweller in the Depths (Legends)|Dweller in the Depths}}

Galvatron attempted to gain control of a new experimental space bridge, only to be met by the opposition of Rodimus and his troops. All nearby combatants were sent hurtling back in time when a stray shot hit the device. Finding himself at the time before Cybertron's creation, Galvatron witnessed Primus and Unicron in their midst of an epic battle. In a fit of madness, Galvatron joined forces with Unicron, despite the latter's victory meaning he would be wiped from existence. Primus triumphed thanks to the help of the Autobots, and all time-displaced combatants were sent back to their proper place in the timestream by Primus. {{storylink|Battle of the Brothers}}

From somewhere in time and space, Galvatron observed the battle on Cybertron between [[Nova Prime]] and Nemesis Prime, a dark future version of Nova. Though unclear events, Galvatron found himself defeated by Nemesis Prime. {{storylink|Prime Evil}}

===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
{{main|Corporal Pig#As Galvatron}}
Galvatron appears as one of the first unlockable characters. He is portrayed by Corporal Pig. He also comes in an [[Corporal Pig#As Energon Galvatron|Energon version]]. {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Galvatron-(G1).jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|I am the original Galvatron! I am the best!]]
Galvatron participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He appeared in three different bodies, all in the "Galvatron" event:
*''Galvatron (G1)'' - This Epic Character could be recruited by collecting 500 units of Cybermetal, 250 units of Transmetal, and 50 cores of this character.
*''Galvatron v1 (Gen)'' — This Super Rare character was available as a reward in the "Galvatron" event.
*''Galvatron v2 (Gen)'' — This Super Rare character could be recruited by collecting 250 units of Cybermetal, 75 units of Transmetal, 35 event cores, and 10 cores of this character. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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[[File:Battle-Tactics-Galvatron-v2-(Gen).jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Nonsense, you inferior fools! ''I'' am the original Galvatron!]]
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===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
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===''Transformers Operation Omega''===
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[file:TransformersEarthWarsGalvatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75| YOU ARE ALL FOOLS!!! I am the original Galvatron!!! No one is better than me!!]]

When Galvatron was brought through the Space Bridge, [[Luca]] found him creepy yet familiar. Galvatron stated that he was stranded in a backwater era, and had to remind Cyclonus that they had to tread carefully, lest they be wiped from existence. After reassuring Scourge and Cyclonus that Starscream and Ultra Magnus would be taken care of, he commanded them to continue repairing a Time Portal. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Galvatron arrival}}

Megatron was wary of this possible rival, so he had Shockwave keep an eye on him. Starscream was also interested in observing and testing this "Galvatron"; seeing that [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] followed Galvatron to Earth, he set up a trap for Ultra Magnus to face Galvatron, which he didn't fall for. Megatron finally had a confrontation with Galvatron, and they came to agree that they thought alike, and they both blasted Starscream out of the sky. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Galvatron Research}}

*'''Class''': Special
*'''Lowest Star Rating''': 2 star
*'''Speed:''' 2
*'''Weapons''': Galvatron blasts the target in his sight repeatedly with his Particle Cannon at a medium range.
*'''Ability: Fusion Beam''': Blast a distant target dealing massive damage to the designated target and everything in line around it.
**'''Cost:''' 7 ability points +3 for reuses.
**'''Range:''' 16

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:galvatron Galvatron at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

Galvatron is one of those few characters that says ''many'' unique quotes while walking around the base:
*"I am GALVATRON!"
*"Come out, Autobots! We all must die sometime."
*"It's a pity Autobots die so easily, or I might have a a sense of satisfaction now!"
*"Will anyone else attempt to fill in their shoes?"
*"Fortunately, your purposes coincide with mine... for the moment."
*"You'll do my bidding, or taste my wrath!"
*"Cybertron and all its moons belong to me!"
*"Soon all shall be one - under Galvatron's rule!"
*"I, Galvatron, will crush you just as Megatron crushed Prime!"
*And finally, a crazy "RAAAAAGGHH!"

===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:Galvatron-Forged to Fight.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|FOOLS! Galvatron can be in any game he wants!]]
Galvatron arrived on New Quintessa and started to wreak havoc. After Ramjet and Motormaster failed him, he promptly executed them for their failure.
{{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight|Galvatron Rising}}

There are a few of him running around, some of which actually join the Commander!

As a Demolitions bot, Galvatron can block to charge up Dark Energy which powers up his cannon that deals additional Dark Burn instant debuff damage. Sometimes the Will of Unicron lets him become Unstoppable and gain Power when his enemies are low on health.
{{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight}}

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==Toys==
{{main|Galvatron (G1)/toys}}

==Merchandise==
{{main|Galvatron (G1)/toys#Merchandise}}

==Notes==
[[File:FriedmanAuctionGalvatronModelEdit.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
[[File:DiamondStickerbookGalvagun.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Why can't I see the sailboat???]]
[[File:Wrecking Havoc Galvatron is a tiny gun.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb]]
*Galvatron's design went through at least seven versions, with the final version being a simplified version of one depicting Galvatron as having mostly exposed mechanical components.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20071227085731/http://hometown.aol.com/kuest12/grp.html The Making of the Transformers Visual Universe: Galvatron, Rodimus Prime]</ref> When asked about Galvatron's design in an interview, [[Floro Dery]]'s reply was, "But about Galvatron, my inspiration for him are those 'stupid people'."<ref>[http://transformersph.blogspot.com/2007/06/interview-with-floro-dery.html TransFormers Philippines: Interview With Floro Dery]</ref> ...Ooookay.
*In 2010, a set of Galvatron's original color models from ''The Transformers: The Movie'' went up for sale on Heritage Auctions, sold from [[Ron Friedman|Ron Friedman's]] collection of [[Sunbow Productions]] materials. This model depicted Galvatron with his earlier, more Megatron-ish head design, and showed his cannon as being grey in color.
*According to the 1986 [[Diamond]] ''Transformers: The Movie'' stickerbook, Galvatron transforms into "a Galvagun". The sentence describing this is phrased somewhat oddly, and seems to insinuate that a "Galvagun" is a kind of common object. Of course, it '''is''' just a stickerbook...
*Galvatron's toy's [[instructions|instruction sheet]] names the big orange weapon a "laser" which, according to the toy [[bio]], "emits chemically-produced, direct-current electricity". While this is a rather strange thing for a laser to do, it is a neat pun on his name. A ''{{w|galvanic cell}}'', named after {{w|Luigi Galvani}}, is a certain type of chemical voltage source. Though Galvatron's toy's batteries are not galvanic cells, they do produce DC electricity chemically, making his toy one of the more fiction-accurate in the original toyline.
*Just as Megatron's [[fusion cannon]] was sometimes shown in commercials to have a handle, Galvatron's cannon had a trigger on at least one occasion (during "[[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2]]"). Galvatron apparently doesn't need to ''use'' the trigger; however, several times in season three, he behaved as if he was holding his cannon with his fist vertically, rather than horizontally, while having one finger in front of the others... go figure.
*The Galvatron toy's gun mode's only fictional appearances were in the UK comics "[[Target: 2006]]" and "[[Wrecking Havoc]]", which featured it as a shrunken, human-scaled weapon, and a form that he assumed merely so that he could easily be conveyed by other parties, but never wielded as a weapon. It was also referenced in Dreamwave's ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' profile of Galvatron, which [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] describes as a weapon "none are worthy to wield".
*The UK comics generally referred to Galvatron's big orange weapon as a [[Particle cannon|particle (or particle-accelerator) cannon]], in comparison to Megatron's fusion cannon. That seems to jibe with the DC-electricity laser description above. The 2008 ''Universe'' Galvatron toy has a "firing particle cannon" callout on the packaging, adding weight to that being the correct name of the weapon.
*Marvel UK artist [[Lee Sullivan]] based his rendition of Galvatron on actor Jack Nicholson!<ref>[http://leesullivanart.co.uk/LEE/transformers.htm Lee Sullivan Art]</ref>
*The brand director in 1989 who had to approve Transformers comics content, [[Vincent D'Alleva|Vinnie D'Alleva]], was the victim of an [[April Fools' Day]] joke when he was given a story draft and cover layout featuring Galvatron "killing people and eating sheep!" ... that seems pretty plausible, actually.<ref>[http://obscuretf.com/hhk/BC04interviews.html Botcon 2004 Interview with Vinnie D'Alleva], p2</ref>
*The description for the Kingdom Galvatron toy refers to his alt-mode as a "Galactic cannon".
* Galvatron's "card" on Hasbro's official website for "Kingdom" refers to his weapon as an "ultra fusion cannon" instead of a particle cannon. They also refer to his alt-mode as a spacecraft so take it as seriously as you will. [https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/kingdom]

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Galvatron''' (ガルバトロン ''Garubatoron'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Galvatron'''
*''Mandarin'' '''Galva Wáng''' (Taiwan, 加博王 ''Jiābó Wáng'', "King Galva"), '''Jīng Pò Tīan''' (China, 惊破天, "Sky-breaking Awe")
*''Russian:'' '''Galvatron''' (Гальватрон)
*''Spanish:'' '''Galvatrón''' (Latin America), '''Zan Rás'''<ref>Used in early Spanish-dubbed episodes of ''The Headmasters'', this name seems based on/intended to be "[[Deathsaurus (G1)|Deszaras]]".</ref>
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Galvatron''' (Гальватрон)

==External links==
*[http://www.tf.to2k.co.uk/fiction/whogalvatron.html ''Who Was Galvatron?'' at Transformers Omniverse]

==References==
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Rewind (G1)

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:'' Did you know that Rewind is an [[Autobot]] [[Autobot Mini-Cassette|Mini-Cassette]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]]?''

[[File:G1 MadmansParadise Rewind inscriptions.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|"Did you know that the names 'Rewind' and 'Eject' come from ACTUAL BUTTONS on a tape player? It's true, it's true!"]]
Did You Know that '''Rewind'''...

*Is the undisputed Autobot trivia master?
*Can store more data than even a [[floppy disk]], whether in [[robot mode]] or mighty microcassette mode?
*Isn't terribly selective with the data he stores, gathering up every tidbit of information he can find until it gives him a splitting electronic headache?
*Can unleash the light from his internal data storage matrix to become a blinding beacon?
*Would never lose on ''Jeopardy!'', but isn't always able to remember the useful things he knows until it's too late?
*Can tell you useful facts about [[New Jersey (Earth)|New Jersey]] ([[New Jersey (Ganzvort)|both of them]])?

(''[[The Transformers Universe]] bio. [[New York City|New York]]: [[Marvel Comics]], 1986.'')

{{bigquote|This all looks familiar! It's in my databanks someplace, but I can't quite...|Rewind|"[[Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
[[File:G1 ForeverIsALongTime Rewind dunno.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"Hey, did you know that my toy has a red eye visor but Eject has an orange visor? Let me tell you more."]]
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the ''Transformers'' Cartoon...'''
*Was voiced by [[Townsend Coleman]] in the English language and [[Yoku Shioya]] in the Japanese language dub?
*Was voiced by [[Júlio Chaves]] and [[Roberto Macedo]] in the Portuguese language dubs of "Forever Is a Long Time Coming" and "Madman's Paradise", respectively?
*Became one of [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]]'s cassettes sometime between 1986 and 2005?
*Helped Blaster and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] defend the communications tower during the [[Battle of Autobot City]]?
*[[User:ItsWalky#Characters who have defeated Ravage|Successfully shot Ravage]] several times while doing so?
(''[[Ron Friedman]]. ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. [[New York City|New York]]: [[Sunbow Productions]], 1986.'')
{{note|That Rewind’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series "[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]]?"}}

*Accompanied Blaster on a mission to investigate chronal energy signals emanating from an asteroid that had existed for 1,000,200,043 years and seven months?
*Travelled back in time to the [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|First Great Cybertronian War]]?
*Successfully fought against both [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] and [[Dark Guardian]]s?
*Used his knowledge (after an initial false start) to recognize both the Guardians and the [[Quintesson]]s attempt to change history by stopping the Autobot slave rebellion?
*Spoke 17 lines of dialogue with 154 words during the accounting of these events?
(''[[Gerry Conway]] and [[Carla Conway]]. "[[Forever Is a Long Time Coming (episode)|Forever Is a Long Time Coming]]". New York: Sunbow Productions, 1986.'')

*Helped [[Steeljaw (G1)|Steeljaw]] track down a missing [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] by identifying what Steeljaw found to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]?
*Can translate ancient Quintesson inscriptions?
*Identified that a long-hidden chamber near the capital central of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] was used for banishing criminals to a variety of alternate dimensions as punishment for their crimes?
*Successfully determined that Daniel was banished to [[Menonia]]?
*Participated in a Menonian battle against [[Mara-Al-Utha]], a Quintesson exiled for practicing [[magic]]?
(''[[Craig Rand]]. "[[Madman's Paradise]]". New York: Sunbow Productions, 1986.'')
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{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}}}}

====Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity====
=====Controverse=====
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the "Controverse" guidebook manga...'''
*Remembered how to use the Quintessons' dimensional banishment portal?
*Assisted [[Hubcap (G1)|Hubcap]] in its use?
*Oversaw the Autobots when they dispatched [[Primacron]] to another universe using the portal?

(''[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]. "[[Controverse]]". [[Tokyo]]: [[Hero-X|Million Publishing]], 2014.'')

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the ''Headmasters'' Cartoon...'''
[[File:HM4 Rewind rides Steeljaw.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"Did you know my weight is easily within the load bearing capacity of a [[cybercat]]? I just found out myself!"]]
*Was voiced by [[Ken Yamaguchi]] in the Japanese language?
*Helped find [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] and his cassettes while they were spying on Autobot forces in [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]?
*Joined the hunt to find the hidden [[Matrix of Leadership]]?
(''[[Toyohiro Andō]]. "[[The Mystery of Planet Master]]". Tokyo: [[Toei|Toei Animation Co., Ltd.]], 1987.'')

*Refused to go on missions because he was mourning Blaster's death?
*Was overjoyed when Blaster was resurrected as Twincast?
*Rode on Steeljaw as Twincast led them on a mission to stop the [[Madmachine]]?
(''Toyohiro Andō. "[[The Great Cassette Operation]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1987.'')

*Spied on the Decepticons as they planned to attack [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]?
(''[[Yoshihisa Araki]]. "[[Cybertron Is in Grave Danger, Part 1]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1987.'')

*Sneaked into the Decepticon base and spied on a conversation between Soundblaster and Sixshot about a meeting on [[Chaar]]?
*Accompanied Twincast to Chaar and took part in a fight with Soundblaster when they were spotted?
(''Toyohiro Andō. "[[Explosion on Mars!! MegaZarak Appears]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1987.'')

*Scouted planet [[Paradise]] with the rest of Twincast's cassettes?
(''Yoshihisa Araki. "[[Head Formation of Friendship]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1987.'')

*Helped comb Earth for information on the Decepticons' plans?
(''Yoshihisa Araki. "[[The Emperor of Destruction Vanishes on an Iceberg]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1987.'')

*Patrolled Earth with the other cassettes after the Decepticons abandoned the planet?
(''Yoshihisa Araki. "[[Miraculous Warriors, Targetmasters (Part 1)]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1987.'')

*Saved [[Chromedome (G1)|Chromedome]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] from [[Mindwipe (G1)|Mindwipe]] along with his fellow cassettes during the final battle to save Earth?
*Joined in the "Final Formation" to give [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] enough power to destroy the Decepticons' [[Death Tower]]s?
(''Yoshihisa Araki. "[[The Final Showdown on Earth (Part 2)]]". Tokyo: Toei, 1988.'')

=====''Legends'' comic=====
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the ''Legends'' comic...'''

*Avoided a [[blackball]] infection by being in Twincast at the time?
*Helped rebuild Twincast and other victims into small Headmasters to save their lives?
(''[[Hayato Sakamoto]]. "[[Headmaster Chapter Prologue]]". Tokyo: [[TakaraTomy|Tomy Co., Ltd.]], 2016.'')

*Came with the bodiless Autobots to the [[Legends World]] in a quest for new [[transtector]]s?
(''Hayato Sakamoto. [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 21|''Legends Comic'': Bonus Edition Vol. 21]]. Tokyo: Tomy Co., Ltd., 2016.'')

*Was released from Twincast's service when he returned to being Blaster and told to seek his own happiness?
(''Hayato Sakamoto. [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 27|''Legends Comic'': Bonus Edition Vol. 27]]. Tokyo: Tomy Co., Ltd., 2016.'')

*Got a new body that transformed into a tablet?
*Took Blaster's advice to heart and set out to record all the world's information, starting with data on the [[Masterforce (technology)|Masterforce]] system?
*Manipulated [[Axalon Trading Company|Autobot Axalon Trading Company]] into mass-producing [[Master-Brace]]s so that the new Headmasters could gather transtector data for him?
*Had his plan backfire when the [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] transtector attacked him, only to be saved when the braces stopped working?
*Recorded that the braces seemed to only work for [[human]] children, then teamed up with the detective [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] for further investigations?
(''Hayato Sakamoto. [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 28|''Legends Comic'': Bonus Edition Vol. 28]]. Tokyo: Tomy Co., Ltd., 2016.'')

*Was with Blaster when a brainwashed crowd attacked him for the [[Zodiac]]?
*Brought up data on two similar incidents and how they were solved, allowing Blaster to undo the brainwashing?
*Helped [[Laserbeak (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Laserbeak]] distract [[Devil Z]] when he attacked Blaster and Soundwave, allowing [[Ravage (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ravage]] to free [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]] from Devil Z's control?
(''Hayato Sakamoto. [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 36|''Legends Comic'': Bonus Edition Vol. 36]]. Tokyo: Tomy Co., Ltd., 2016.'')

*Helped Nightbeat steal data on [[Godbomber]]?
*Was outraged to learn that Nightbeat was also working with Decepticons to steal Godbomber itself, but was forced to cooperate anyway?
*Got the information he had hired Nightbeat to find when [[Ginrai (human)|Ginrai]] explained to them the function of Master-Braces?
(''Hayato Sakamoto. [[Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 42|''Legends Comic'': Bonus Edition Vol. 42]]. Tokyo: Tomy Co., Ltd., 2017.'')

=====''Alternity''=====
'''Did You Know that Rewind in ''Alternity''...'''
*Became a member of the [[Protector]]s?
*Explained why [[Alternity (species)|Alternity]] [[Auto-avatar]]s were based on early 21st century vehicles?
(''[[Hirofumi Ichikawa]]. "[[Alternation]]". Tokyo: [[TakaraTomy|Tomy Co., Ltd.]], 2010.'')

====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic====
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the ''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' comic...'''
*Rode alongside Eject inside [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] to help expose Decepticons posing as Autobots?
*Fired his blaster at a pair of hooded-and-robed figures, who were revealed as the Decepticons [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]?
*Then beat the ever-loving snot out of the two small Decepticons with Eject's help?

(''[[Masumi Kaneda]]. [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 7|''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' #7]]. [[Tokyo]]: [[Kodansha|Kodansha Ltd.]], 1986.'')

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
'''Did You Know that Rewind, at the dawn of the [[Machine Wars (event)|Machine Wars]]...'''
*Relayed news to [[Override (G1)|Override]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] had been attacked?
*Was relieved to find that Optimus wasn't dead (again), but rather in deep stasis?
*Informed his fellow Autobots that [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]] had taken command of Cybertron's military?
(''[[Jesse Wittenrich]]. "[[Termination]]". Fort Worth, [[Texas]]: [[Fun Publications]], 2013.'')

====Ask Vector Prime====
'''Did You Know that Rewind, as recounted by Vector Prime...'''
*Had his home universe destabilized by [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]] and [[Gong (GoBots)|Gong]]?
*Battled [[Re-Volt]], [[Chaos (GoBots)|Chaos]], and [[Traitor (GoBots)|Traitor]] when the [[Renegade]]s tried to breach Autobot City?
(''[[Jim Sorenson]]. "[[Echoes and Fragments]]". [[Ask Vector Prime]]. Facebook, 10 February 2016.'')

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
[[File:Arcee rewind steeljaw.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Did you know that due to Marvel's practice of using blue to represent black, I can be easily confused with Eject?"]]
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the Marvel Generation 1 Comics...'''
*Was released from Blaster's chest along with his fellow cassettes by [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] and [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] to help even the odds after the other Autobots in Autobot City (including Blaster) were deactivated and crucified during a Quintesson attack on the city in 2008?
(''[[Simon Furman]]. "[[Space Pirates!]]". [[London]]: [[Marvel Comics|Marvel]] Entertainment International Ltd., 1988.'')

===''The Transformers 3-D''===
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the ''Transformers 3-D'' Comic...'''
*Was the historian of the Autobots?
*Was consulted by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] after [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Hot Rod]] retrieved a [[Logicon]] message tape that contained information on the [[Destructon]]s?
*Considered both the Destructons and the Logicons to be myths from a primitive past?
*Was subsequently asked by Optimus Prime to work out the coordinates to planet [[Metascan Alpha]], the apparent home of the Logicons?
*Noticed a spy in their midst and shot at him—but became confused by the spy seemingly being in two places at once? (It's because the Autobots were really facing [[Pounce]] and [[Wingspan]]!)
(''Williams, Fuget, Haxo, "Noodles" and Stephenson. "[[The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3]]". El Cajon, California: [[Blackthorne Publishing]], 1988.'')

===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the Dreamwave ''Generation One'' Comics...'''
*Was a frequent partner of Blaster throughout the millennia, serving under him and Perceptor during the [[Age of Internment]]?
*Listened to [[Slamdance (G1)|Slamdance]]'s tale of how the latter narrowly escaped death at [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s hand?
{{note|Was meant to follow Blaster into Cybertron's underground to liberate enslaved Autobots, only for this story to go unpublished?}}
(''[[Simon Furman]]. ''[[Transformers: War Within: The Age of Wrath|The War Within: The Age of Wrath]]''. Markham, Ontario: [[Dreamwave Productions]], 2004.'')

*Was a part of Hot Rod and [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]]'s resistance movement when the [[Unified Cybertronian Government]] was corrupted from within by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]?
(''[[James McDonough|Brad Mick]]. "[[Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction]]". Markham, Ontario: Dreamwave Productions, 2003.'')

===2005 IDW continuity===
[[File:BeforeandAfter-Rewindisold.jpg|right|thumb|upright=2.2|"Did you know I am old, tiny, and looking for my mustachioed ex-husband?"]]
{{main|Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity}}
'''Did You Know that Rewind in the IDW 2005-2018 Comics...'''
*Was too prominent a character to continue summarizing his story simply as trivia factoids?
(''[[James Roberts]]. ''[[The Transformers: More than Meets the Eye]]''. San Diego, California: [[IDW Publishing|Idea and Design Works, LLC]], 2012.'')
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===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
[[File:TPotTM Rewind.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]
'''Did You Know that Rewind in "The Power of the Titan Masters" comic...'''
*Worked alongside Blaster and Stripes on the planet [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]]?
*Chased [[Skullcruncher (G1)|Skullsmasher]], [[Grax]], and [[Horri-Bull|Rot-Gut]] after the Decepticons stole some codes?
*Was forced to retreat when Skullsmasher deployed a cloud of armor-eating rust?
({{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}})
{{--}}

==Games==
===''Transformers G1: Awakening''===
[[File:Gluawakening rewind.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
'''Did You Know that Rewind in ''Transformers G1: Awakening''...'''
*Was among the Autobots who left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and spent four million years in stasis after it was shot down over Earth by the Decepticons?
*Was forced to remain inside Blaster until enough energy could be gathered to repair Blaster sufficiently for them to return to combat?
*Eventually was able to return to combat, shortly before the Autobots returned to Cybertron to assault the Decepticon fortress in an attempt to free the enslaved Autobots there?
(''"[[Transformers G1: Awakening]]". [[San Francisco]]: [[Glu|Glu Mobile]], 2010.'')
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===''Transformers Legends''===
'''Did You Know that Rewind in ''Transformers Legends''...'''
*Occasionally got headaches from data overload?
*Had [[Sundor|Sunder]] attempt to help relieve his headaches by playing loud music?
(''Rewind's bio, ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]''. San Francisco, [[Mobage]], 2013.'')
*Joined [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] in infiltrating a human science facility to try to safeguard the technology there from the Decepticons?
*Found that [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] had already wormed his way into the base?
(''"[[Espionage]]", ''[[Transformers Legends (mobile game)|Transformers Legends]]''. San Francisco, [[Mobage]], 2013.'')
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===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsRewind.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Did you know that I ''was'' one of the strongest Autobots in the game?]]
'''Did you know that Rewind:'''
*Participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons?
*Sometimes encountered other copies of himself?
*Was a Super Rare character?
*Could be recruited by collecting 250 units of Cybermetal, 75 units of Transmetal, and 10 Rewind Cores?
*Was based on his Timelines toy?

{{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
{{-}}

===''Angry Birds Transformers''===
{{note|Do you know that Rewind appears as a wearable accessory in the game?}}
{{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers (mobile game)|Angry Birds Transformers}}
{{charstubgame|Who is he an accessory for? Does he do anything, game-play wise? How about adding to the note how much it costs?}}

===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
'''Did you know that Rewind:'''
*Is - alongside [[Ramhorn (G1)|Ramhorn]], Eject, and Steeljaw - one of four minions released by Blaster as the larger bot's special ability?
{{--}}

===''Transformers Roleplaying Game''===
'''Did you know that Rewind:'''
* Served as a “dumping ground” for unsorted data and miscellaneous information?
* Possessed a light-matrix based computational system?
* Could unleash zeta-bytes of information as a blinding flash of light to disorient foes?
('' Costello, Hicks, Sambrano, Steele, Teague, Webb, and Heiser. "[[Transformers Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook]]". Escondido, California: [[Renegade Game Studios]], 2022. '')

==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
[[File:G1-toy Rewind.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Did you know that the cassette-formers are at 1:1 scale for micro-cassettes? True fact."]]
*'''Rewind & Steeljaw''' (Cassette 2-pack, 1986/1987)
**'''Did You Know that the Cassette 2-Pack Rewind Toy...'''
***Has 2 [[adhesion rifle]]s for accessories?
***Was released in [[Hasbro]]'s ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Generation 1]]'' toyline?
***Transforms from a humanoid robot to a micro-cassette and vice-versa?
***Is designed to fit in [[Blaster (G1)#Generation 1|Blaster]]'s chest compartment (though he rattles around a little bit...)?
***Has two notable [[variant]]s, one with gold-[[Vacuum metallizing|chromed]] weapons, and the other, more common version with silver-chromed weapons?
***Has [[Sticker|foil decal]]s that give his "cassette side" its detailing (and cover the screws holding it together) in some versions, while other versions use [[tampograph]]s (a variant that also eliminates his [[rubsign]] indent)?
***May or may not have any correlation between the guns and detailing variations?
***Was [[redeco]]ed to make [[Eject (G1)#Generation 1|Eject]], [[Flip Sides (G1)|Flip Sides]], [[Rosanna (KP)|Rosanna]], and [[Solarbot#VSE|Solarbot]], as well as ''[[Transformers: Shattered Glass (toyline)|Shattered Glass]]'' [[Rewind (SG)|Rewind]]?
***Has 19 moving parts, including shoulder pads that are adjustable?
***Cannot hold his weapons in his fists, but has them mounted to the tape wheels inside his arms instead?
***Is held together with 6 screws, 2 metal bolts, and 11 plastic rivets?
***Came packaged with [[Steeljaw (G1)#Generation 1|Steeljaw]]?

:*''[http://tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Rewind/rewind.htm Did you know that you can find more information on G1 Rewind at TFU.info?]''
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*'''Rewind''' (Cassettebot, 1986/1987)
**'''Did You Know that the 1986 Japanese Rewind Toy...'''
***Has the ID numbers '''C-67''' and '''C-118'''?
***Also has 2 adhesion rifles for accessories?
***Was released in [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s markets as part of their ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (toyline)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010]]'' line?
***Is identical to the 2-pack version?
***Was only sold individually, with silver guns and sticker detailing?
{{--}}

===''Encore''===
[[File:G1toy encore cassettes1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Did you know that this new Autobot symbol on my torso also helps differentiate me from my original toy, in addition to being spiffy?"]]
*'''Great Cassette Operation''' (2009)
**'''Did You Know that this re-release of the Japanese Rewind Toy...'''
***Has the ID number '''15'''?
***Also has 2 adhesion rifles for accessories?
***Was only available in [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Transformers Encore]]'' line of [[Generation 1 reissues|reissues]] in [[March 28]] of 2009?
***Also came packaged with [[Eject (G1)#Encore|Eject]], [[Ravage (G1)/toys#Encore|Ravage]], and [[Buzzsaw (G1)#Encore|Buzzsaw]]?
***Featured an Autobot symbol tampograph on his torso, which is new for this release?
***Was re-released along with the other Cassettes as a lucky draw prize (along with the rest of the 2 box sets) for the ''Transformers Celebration 2014'' event held at Ikebukuro Sunshine City store's Toys"R"Us, even though that this was very likely to be remaining stock?
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{{--}}

===''Timelines''===
[[File:TCCSS2-Rewind.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Did you know that I've been working out?"]]
*'''Rewind''' (TFSS 2.0, 2014)
**'''Did You Know that this release of the Transformers Collectors' Club Subscription Service 2.0 toy...'''
***Has two rifles/cannons as accessories?
***Has a head sculpt designed by [[Nick Roche]]?
***Was released in the ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Transformers Timelines]]'' toyline via the [[Transformers Collectors' Club]]?
***Is a redeco of the ''[[Transformers United|United]]'' Scout-sized [[Frenzy (G1)/toys#United|Frenzy]]/[[Rumble (G1)/toys#United|Rumble]], which wasn't released in America?
***Probably shouldn't have his wiki entry be written in this style since the newly-[[retool]]ed head is based on Roche's design as seen in IDW's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' ongoing series, where he wasn't so much a trivia nut?
***Transforms from a humanoid robot to a "super space tank", just as Rewind joked about ''not'' transforming into in "[[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It]]"?
***Is able to mount his rifles/cannons on his tank turret or his [[robot mode]] forearms via [[C joint]] clips and bars?
***Has arms that can transform into spring-loaded pile-driver weapons?
***Was the fourth toy revealed for 2014's [[Transformers Figure Subscription Service#Series 2.0 (2014)|Transformers Figure Subscription Service]] series, and on Nick Roche's birthday ([[September 5]]th)?
***Was redecoed into ''[[Transformers Timelines (toyline)|Timelines]]'' [[Eject (G1)#Timelines|Eject]]?

:*''[http://www.tfu.info/2014/Autobot/TFSSRewind/rewind.htm Did you know that you can find more information on ''Timelines'' Rewind at TFU.info?]''
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===''Titans Return''===
[[File:TR-toy Rewind.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.66|"Did you know you suddenly don't really care for my ''Timelines'' toy anymore? It's true!"]]
*'''Autobot Rewind''' (Legends Class, 2016)
**'''Did You Know that this first wave ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' toy...'''
***Has a 5mm rifle accessory?
***Was created by [[Hasbro]] lead designer [[John Warden]]?
***Transforms into three things: a robot based on Nick Roche's ''More than Meets the Eye'' design, another super space tank, and a "spy tablet" that fits inside [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Leader Class Blaster]]?
***Has a [[Mini-Cassette]] background on his tablet-mode screen, referencing his original design?
***Has pegs on top of his tank mode that allow up to two Titan Master class figures to stand on him?
***Has a (non-working) headphone jack that accommodates real headphones like all the other "spy tablet" bots?
***Has a slot in his side in tablet mode that allows him to store his rifle?
***Was first revealed at [[New York Comic Con]] 2015?
***Has instructions on how to place the stickers forming the tablet mode's screen that are completely unneeded since the aforementioned stickers are factory-applied?
***Has his leg stickers easily prone to damage after some posing & transforming?
***Was retooled with a new head into [[Rumble (G1)/toys#Titans Return|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (Movie)#Bumblebee|Frenzy]]?
***Was an enormous [[shelfwarmer]] alongside fellow Legends Class Autobot [[Stripes#Generations|Stripes]]?
***Inspired the physical design of the non-toy character [[Lug (IDW)|Lug]]?

:*''[http://tfu.info/2016/Autobot/TRRewind/rewind.htm Did you know that you can find more information on Titans Return Rewind at TFU.info?]''
{{--}}

===''Legends''===
[[File:TF-Legends-LG-28-Rewind.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Rewind & Nightbeat''' (Two-pack, 2016-[[September 24|09-24]])
**'''Did You Know that this ''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Transformers Legends]]'' Rewind toy...'''
***Has the ID number '''LG28'''?
***Is a redeco of the ''Titans Return'' Legends Class toy above?
***Is decoed to match his appearances in the cartoon, complete with separate eyes painted on his visor area?
***Features stickers forming the tablet mode's screen that are directly modified from Hasbro's ''Titans Return'' release of the figure, just with some colors changed, the Autobot insignia replaced by a smaller version that's made to resemble an app icon, and a couple of additional app icons added, including a "T" icon that resembles the {{W|Facebook}} icon, and a "photo" icon based on [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]]'s alternate mode?
***Is bundled with [[Nightbeat (G1)#Legends|Nightbeat]], who is redecoed from the ''Titans Return'' toy but does not include the jet/drill-tank vehicle accessory?
{{--}}

===''Legacy''===
[[File:TF-Legacy-Rewind.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66]]
*'''Twincast & Autobot Rewind''' (Voyager Class, [[2023]])
**'''Did You Know that this ''[[Transformers: Legacy|Legacy]]'' Rewind toy...'''
***Is a redeco of ''[[War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Kingdom]]'' [[Eject (G1)#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Eject]]?
***Was created by [[Hasbro]] designer [[Mark Maher]]?
***Features translucent grayish-black plastic?
***Can fit inside the chest compartment of both ''Kingdom'' [[Blaster (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Kingdom|Blaster]] and ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|Soundwave]]?
***Is packed in with the Voyager-scaled [[Blaster (G1)/toys#LegacyTwincast|Twincast]]?
***Was revealed on the [[January 31]] [[Hasbro Pulse]] Fanstream, and showed up at Canadian Retail ''less than a week'' later?
***Was also made into ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)#Shattered Glass Collection|Shattered Glass Collection]]'' [[Rewind (SG)#Shattered Glass Collection|Rewind]]?
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==Notes==
*'''Did You Know that...'''
**For the original draft of ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' and several revisions, there was going to be only one humanoid Autobot Mini-Cassette, who was going to be called [[Bolts]]?<ref>[http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/heritaage-auctions-transformers-movie.html The TFTM script draft at Disciples of Boltax]?</ref><ref>[http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/transformers.html An early script for ''The Transformers: The Movie'' at dailyscript.com]?</ref>
**Between the original draft and actual product, Bolts's role was split in two? Bolts was supposed to fight [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], which Rewind ended up doing in the movie ([[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] dealt the described kick though). Bolts's attitude and tussle with [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] went to [[Eject (G1)|Eject]]. During their initial ejection from Blaster however, both Rewind and Eject swap color schemes multiple times for the duration of the scene.

===Foreign names===
*'''Did You Know that...'''
**Rewind's Japanese name is '''Rewind''', which is written in katakana as リワインド, which in turn is transliterated into the Latin alphabet as ''Riwaindo''?
**Rewind's French name in Canada is '''Mémorax'''?
**Rewind's Mandarin name in Taiwan is '''Dàodài''', which is written in hanzi as 倒帶, which means "Rewind"?
**Rewind's Mandarin name in China is '''Fātiáo''', which is written in hanzi as 发条, which means "Clockwork"?
**Rewind's Russian name is '''Reverse''', which is written in Cyrillic as Реверс, which is transliterated into the Latin alphabet as ''Revers''?

==References==
'''Did You Know that the information on this article is from...'''
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Alternity Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:IDW (2019) Autobots]]
[[Category:Legacy Autobots]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Mini-Cassettes]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Autobots]]
[[Category:Timelines characters]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Autobots]]

Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)

2022-11-03T16:27:16Z

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{{Nav-earthspark}}
[[File:Transformers-EarthSpark-Poster-Nick.jpg|thumb|upright=1.6|[[Nick Roche|By Nick,]] [[Nickelodeon|for Nick]].]]
'''''Transformers: EarthSpark'' ''' is an upcoming animated series set to debut in November [[2022]] in support of the [[franchises|franchise]] of [[Transformers: EarthSpark (franchise)|the same name]]. First announced on [[February 25]], [[2021]] alongside ''[[Transformers: BotBots (cartoon)|Transformers: BotBots]]'', the new series will be co-produced by [[Entertainment One]] and [[Nickelodeon Animation Studios]], and it will feature 3D [[computer-generated imagery|CG animation]] by [[Icon Creative Studio]]. In the U.S., the first 10 half-hour episodes of the season will exclusively premiere on [[Paramount+]] on [[November 11]], 2022, with the remaining 14 to be released at a later date; the show will also air on [[Nickelodeon]] in other regions. A second season has already been greenlit.
{{Quote|What you are doesn't define who you are. We are all -- MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE!|Tagline}}
==Premise==
Many years after the end of the war between the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s, young [[human]]s [[Robby Malto|Robby]] and [[Mo Malto]] are struggling to adapt after moving from [[Philadelphia]] to the small town of [[Witwicky (town)|Witwicky]], [[Pennsylvania]]. When they find a strange object in a cave, it grants them mysterious robotic [[cyber-sleeve]]s and gives life to [[Twitch Malto|Twitch]] and [[Thrash Malto|Thrash]]—the first ever [[Transformer]]s to be born on [[Earth]]. Bonded to them through their cyber-sleeves, the Maltos adopt the two [[Terran]]s into their family. The Autobots, now working with [[Megatron (ES)|Megatron]] and the secret human organization [[G.H.O.S.T.]] to protect Earth from the remaining rogue Decepticons, reach out to the Maltos and offer the Terrans the chance to be mentored by [[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]]. With new threats on the horizon, such as the mad scientist [[Mandroid]] and the various Decepticons still at large, the Maltos work together to keep each other safe and find their place in the world while learning what it truly means to be a family.

==Characters==
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*[[Bumblebee (ES)|Bumblebee]] ([[Danny Pudi]])
*[[Optimus Prime (ES)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Alan Tudyk]])
*[[Elita-1 (ES)|Elita-1]] ([[Cissy Jones]])
*[[Wheeljack (ES)|Wheeljack]] ([[Michael T Downey]])
*[[Arcee (ES)|Arcee]] ([[Martha Marion]])
|c2=
*[[Megatron (ES)|Megatron]] ([[Rory McCann]])
*[[Swindle (ES)|Swindle]] ([[Nolan North]])
*[[Hardtop (ES)|Hardtop]] (Nolan North)
*[[Soundwave (ES)|Soundwave]] ([[Sean Kenin Reyes]])
*[[Skywarp (ES)|Skywarp]] ([[Nicole Dubuc]])
*[[Nova Storm (ES)|Nova Storm]] (Nicole Dubuc)
*[[Bombshell (ES)|Bombshell]]
*[[Skullcruncher (ES)|Skullcruncher]]
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;Malto family
*[[Robby Malto]] ([[Sydney Mikayla]])
*[[Mo Malto]] ([[Zion Broadnax]])
*[[Dot Malto]] ([[Benni Latham]])
*[[Alex Malto]] ([[Jon Jon Briones]])
;[[G.H.O.S.T.]]
*[[Executive Agent Croft]] ([[Kari Wahlgren]])
*[[Agent Schloder]] ([[Marc Evan Jackson]])
;Others
*[[Mandroid]] ([[Diedrich Bader]])
*[[Mr. Smelt]] ([[Daran Norris]])
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*[[Twitch Malto]] ([[Kathreen Khavari]])
*[[Thrash Malto]] ([[Zeno Robinson]])
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*[[Arachnamech]]s
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==Creative team==
The series is executive produced by [[Ant Ward]], [[Nicole Dubuc]], [[Ciro Nieli]] and [[Dale Malinowski]]. Malinowski is also developing the show alongside [[Claudia Spinelli]] and [[Dana Vasquez-Eberhardt]]. Other known staff include story editor [[Mae Catt]], storyboard director [[Jordan Rosato]], director [[JJ Conway]], storyboard artist [[Matthew Humphreys]], writer [[Maasai Singleton]], and character designers [[Nick Roche]] and [[Angelo Vilar]].

==Notes==
* The series was originally planned to premiere on Nickelodeon first, with international releases to follow. At Nickelodeon's upfront in March 2022, a newer announcement clarified that the series would premiere globally on Paramount+ in November 2022.<ref>[https://www.theilluminerdi.com/2022/03/30/transformers-earthspark-november/ Transformers: EarthSpark Rolls Out on Paramount+ This November]</ref> No announcement has been made as to whether the series will later air on Nickelodeon like other Paramount+ series, though it is still planned to air on Nick in several international markets.

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
* [https://deadline.com/2021/02/nickelodeon-orders-transformers-animated-comedy-series-hasbro-franchise-1234700661/ Nickelodeon Orders 'Transformers' Animated Series Based On Hasbro Franchise — Deadline]
* [https://www.nick.com/shows/transformers-earthspark/ EarthSpark on Nick.com]

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Marc Evan Jackson

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[[File:MarcEvanJackson.jpeg|right|thumb|300px|I took the altmode of a 45-year-old white man for a reason. I can only fail up.]]
'''Marc Evan Jackson''' (born [[August 21]], [[1970]]) is an American actor. Initially known for playing deadpan recurring roles in sitcoms like ''Brooklyn Nine Nine'' and ''Parks and Recreation'', his profile eventually expanded to deadpan villains as well, most notably demon boss Shawn on ''The Good Place'' and pragmatic baddie Bradford Buzzard on 2017's ''DuckTales''. Bigger nerds might also remember him as Sparks Nevada, Marshall on Mars from the ''Thrilling Adventure Hour'' podcast.

==Acting roles==
===''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)| Revenge of the Fallen]]''===
* Commander, US Central Command

===''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]''===
* [[Agent Schloder]]

==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1476601/ Marc Evan Jackson at the Internet Movie Database]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Jackson, Marc Evan}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

Marc Evan Jackson

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[[File:MarcEvanJackson.jpeg|right|thumb|300px|I took the altmode of a 45-year-old white man for a reason. I can only fail up.]]
'''Marc Evan Jackson''' (born [[August 21]], [[1970]]) is an American actor. Initially known for playing deadpan recurring roles in sitcoms like ''Brooklyn Nine Nine'' and ''Parks and Recreation'', his profile eventually expanded to deadpan villains as well, most notably demon boss Shawn on ''The Good Place'' and by-the-book baddie Bradford Buzzard on 2017's ''DuckTales''. Bigger nerds might also remember him as Sparks Nevada, Marshall on Mars from the ''Thrilling Adventure Hour'' podcast.

==Acting roles==
===''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)| Revenge of the Fallen]]''===
* Commander, US Central Command

===''[[Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)|Transformers: EarthSpark]]''===
* [[Agent Schloder]]

==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1476601/ Marc Evan Jackson at the Internet Movie Database]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Jackson, Marc Evan}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

Marc Evan Jackson

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[[File:MarcEvanJackson.jpeg|right|thumb|300px|I took the altmode of a 45-year-old white man for a reason. I can only fail up.]]
'''Marc Evan Jackson''' (born [[August 21]], [[1970]]) is an American actor. Initially known for playing deadpan recurring roles in sitcoms like ''Brooklyn Nine Nine'' and ''Parks and Recreation'', his profile eventually expanded to deadpan villains as well, most notably demon boss Shawn on ''The Good Place'' and by-the-book baddie Bradford Buzzard on 2017's ''DuckTales''. Bigger nerds might also remember him as Sparks Nevada, Marshall on Mars from the ''Thrilling Adventure Hour'' podcast.

==Acting roles==
===''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)| Revenge of the Fallen]]''===
* Commander, US Central Command

===''Transformers: EarthSpark''===
* [[Agent Schloder]]

==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1476601/ Marc Evan Jackson at the Internet Movie Database]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Jackson, Marc Evan}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

Marc Evan Jackson

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[[File:MarcEvanJackson.jpg|right|thumb|300px|I took the altmode of a 45-year-old white man for a reason. I can only fail up.]]
'''Marc Evan Jackson''' (born [[August 21]], [[1970]]) is an American actor. Initially known for playing deadpan recurring roles in sitcoms like ''Brooklyn Nine Nine'' and ''Parks and Recreation'', his profile eventually expanded to deadpan villains as well, most notably demon boss Shawn on ''The Good Place'' and by-the-book baddie Bradford Buzzard on 2017's ''DuckTales''. Bigger nerds might also remember him as Sparks Nevada, Marshall on Mars from the ''Thrilling Adventure Hour'' podcast.

==Acting roles==
===''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)| Revenge of the Fallen]]''===
* Commander, US Central Command

===''Transformers: EarthSpark''===
* [[Agent Schloder]]

==External links==
* [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1476601/ Marc Evan Jackson at the Internet Movie Database]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Jackson, Marc Evan}}
[[Category:DreamWorks]]
[[Category:On-camera actors]]

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A still of [[Mark Evan Jackson]] from season four, episode four of ''The Good Place''.

{{C}} 2019 [[Universal|Universal Television]]
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Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 1)

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{{subsuite|content=
* [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 1)|Season 1]]
* [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 2)|Season 2]]
* [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 3)|Season 3]]
}}
==Opening Credits==
===Executive Producers===
{{collist|2|
*[[Christopher Brough]]
*[[Steven DeNure]]
*[[Ian Pearson]]
*[[Stéphane Reichel|Stephane Reichel]] (All except [[Victory (episode)|Victory]] and [[Dark Designs]])
}}
===Producer===
*[[Jonathan Goodwill]]

===Written by===
*[[Larry DiTillio]] ([[The Web]], [[Power Surge (episode)|Power Surge]], [[The Spark]], [[Spider's Game]], [[Before the Storm]], [[Other Voices, Part 1]], [[Other Voices, Part 2]])
*[[Bob Forward]] ([[Beast Wars (Part 1)]], [[Beast Wars (Part 2)]], [[Fallen Comrades]], [[The Trigger, Part 1]], [[The Trigger, Part 2]], [[Call of the Wild]], [[The Low Road]], Other Voices, Part 1)
{{collist|3|
*[[Rowby Goren]] ([[Double Dinobot]])
*[[Greg Johnson]] ([[Equal Measures]], [[Gorilla Warfare]])
*[[Samuel Warren Joseph]] ([[Dark Voyage]])
*[[Mark Leiren-Young]] ([[Law of the Jungle]])
*[[Craig Miller]] ([[The Probe]])
*[[Wendy Reardon]] (Victory)
*[[Chris Weber|Chris Allen Weber]] ([[A Better Mousetrap]])
*[[Ian Weir]] (Dark Design, [[Possession]])
*[[Karen Willson]] (A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Jesse Winfield]] ([[Chain of Command (BW)|Chain of Command]], [[Double Jeopardy]])
*[[Marv Wolfman]] ([[The Probe]])
}}

===Directed by===
{{collist|2|
*[[Steve Ball]] (Beast Wars Part 2, Fallen Comrades, Victory, Dark Voyage)
*[[James Boshier]] (Gorilla Warfare, Spider's Game)
*[[Colin Davies]] (The Spark, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Andrew Doucette]] (Chain of Command)
*[[C. Michael ]] (The Web)
*[[J. Falconer]] (A Better Mousetrap, The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
*[[Jonathan Goodwill]] (Call of the Wild)
*[[Owen Hurley]] (Dark Designs, Possession)
*[[Nicholas Kendall|Nick Kendall]] (Power Surge)
*[[Ezekiel Norton]] (The Probe, Other Voices part 2)
*[[T.W. Peacocke]] (Equal Measures)
*[[Ian Pearson]] (Beast Wars (Part 1)
*[[John Pozer]] (Double Dinobot, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Mark Schiemann]] (Double Jeopardy)
*[[Adam Wood]] (Before the Storm)
*[[Michaela Zabranska]] (The Trigger part 2)
}}

==Closing Credits==
===Creative Consultant===
*Owen Hurley (Beast Wars Part 1)

===Story Editors===
{{collist|2|
*Larry DiTillio
*Bob Forward
}}

===Starring the Voices of===
*[[Don Brown]] (All except Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, Call of the Wild, and Law of the Jungle)
*[[Jim Byrnes]] (Spider's Game, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Garry Chalk|Gary Chalk]]
*[[Ian James Corlett|Ian Corlett]]
*[[David Kaye]] (All except A Better Mousetrap, The Trigger part 2, and Law of the Jungle)
*[[Blu Mankuma]] (Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, The Probe, Victory, The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Scott McNeil]]
*[[Richard Newman]] (All except Law of the Jungle and Other Voice's part 2)
*[[Pauline Newstone]] (The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 1 & 2)
*[[Doug Parker]] (All except The Web, Equal Measures, and Spider's Game)
*[[Carol Savenkoff]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, The Spark, Spider's Game, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Venus Terzo]] (Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Possession, The Low Road, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Alec Willows]] (All except Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, and Law of the Jungle)

===Voice Director===
*[[Susan Blu]]
===Casting by===
*[[BTL Productions LTD.]]
===Production Designer===
*[[Clyde Klotz]]
===Music Composed by===
*[[Robert Buckley]]
===Director of Animation===
*[[Phil Mitchell]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, and Fallen Comrades)
===Associate Producer===
*[[Barb Dawson]] (all except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2 and Double Jeopardy)
===Production Manager===
*[[James Lawson]] (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
*[[Erin Smith]] (All except Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
===Production Coordinator===
*Erin Smith (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
===YTV Executive===
*[[Laurinda Shaver]]
===Animation Coordinators===
*Barb Dawson (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
*[[Elizabeth Embling]] (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
*[[Angela Stevenson]] (All except Double Jeopardy and Other Voices part 2)
===Animation Tracker===
*[[Nina Bowkett]] (Dark Voyage, Possession)
*[[Jennifer Twiner]] (Other Voices part 2)
===Supervising Animators===
{{collist|2|
*[[Russell Ang]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Fallen Comrades, Dark Voyage)
*[[Ken Ball]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark)
*Steve Ball (A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Gavin Blair]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*C. Michael Easton (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Andrew (Spanky) Grant]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Casey Kwan]] (The Low Road)
*[[Mark Lemon]] (Possession)
*Phil Mitchell (The Probe)
*[[Gino Nichele]] (Double Dinobot, The Trigger part 1, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Eric Reynolds]] (Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Rob Skiena]] (Before the Storm)
*[[Ken Steel]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 2)
*Adam Wood (Beast Wars part 1 & 2 , Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game)
*Michaela Zabranska (Dark Designs)
}}

===Senior Animators===
{{collist|2|
*Russell Ang (A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Mabel Chan]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[William (Tonee) Chan]] (Other Voices part 1)
*[[Stephen Cooper]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades)
*[[Jeffrey Cappleman]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Katrina Conwright]] (The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2
*Andrew Doucette (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Michael Ferraro]] (Chain of Command)
*[[Rob Hansen]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild)
*[[Ken Henderson]] (Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
*[[Alan Harrison]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy)
*[[Casey Kwan]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1)
*Walter Hsieh (Possession)
*[[Allen LeCorre]] (Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Mark Lemon (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command)
*[[Jonathan Moyes]] (Dark Voyage)
*Gino Nichele (Fallen Comrades, Gorilla Warfare)
*Ezekiel Norton (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Morgan Ratsoy]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Possession)
*[[George Samilski]] (The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
*[[Steven Sauers]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs)
*[[Mark Schiemann]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Kevin Scott]] (Double Dinobot, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2
*[[Blair Simmons]] (Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*Rob Skiena (Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game)
*[[Ron Sombilon]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Before the Storm)
}}
===Computer Animators===
{{collist|2|
*[[Mashi Akiyama]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Russell Ang (Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*[[Tyson Arazewski]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Jean-Yves Audouard]] (The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*Ken Ball (Call of the Wild)
*[[Scott Baltjes]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy)
*[[Corey Barnard]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, The Probe, Dark Designs, Dark Voyage)
*[[Frank Belina]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades, The Probe)
*[[Rod Bland]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, The Probe, Dark Designs)
*[[Christopher Brawn]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Sebastian Brodin]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Neil Bruder]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*Jeffrey Cappleman (Power Surge)
*[[Anne Davis Chan]] (Other Voices part 2)
*Mabel Chan (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Power Surge)
*William (Tonee) Chan (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild)
*[[Herrick Chiu]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Victory, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Terri-Kim Chuckry]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Victory, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*Katrina Conwright (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Fallen Comrades, The Trigger part 1)
*Stephen Cooper (The Web, Equal Measures, A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Kevin Culhane]] (Double Jeopardy, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*[[Virginie Michel d'Annoville]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*[[William Scott Farquhar]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, The Low Road, Before the Storm)
*Michael Ferraro (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Carl Fletcher]] (Other Voices part 2)
*[[Shona Galbraith]] (Other Voices part 2)
*Rob Hansen (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command)
*[[Andrew Harvey]] (Dark Voyage)
*Ken Henderson (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, The Trigger part 2)
*Alan Harrison (Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*[[Kristian Howald]] (The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Walter Hsieh]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, Victory, The Trigger part 2, The Low Road)
*[[Daniel Ife]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Brett Ineson]] (Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*[[Jared Johnson]] (Double Jeopardy, Dark Designs, The Spark, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Ali Kojori]] (A Better Mousetrap, Double Dinobot, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Casey Kwan (The Trigger part 2)
*[[Martin L'Hereux]] (Double Jeopardy, The Spark, Call of the Wild)
*Allen LeCorre (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures)
*Mark Lemon (Gorilla Warfare)
*[[Wilson Leung]] (Possession)
*[[Jiri Licenik]] (Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Debra Liptak]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, The Low Road, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Jeremy McCarron]] (The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road)
*[[Barry McDougal]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[Beatrice Moritz]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*Jonathan Moyes (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Low Road)
*[[Eric Murray]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[Micheal Mussellam]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road)
*[[Peter Nash]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Power Surge, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Dark Voyage)
*[[Arodi Navarro]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road)
*Gino Nichele (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command)
*Ezekiel Norton (The Web, Equal Measures, Possession, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Andrew Ogawa]] (Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Leslie Oldham]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Fernando Pazos]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[Mike Pieczonka]] (Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Jeff Poole]] (Other Voices part 1 & part 2)
*Morgan Ratsoy (The Web, Equal Measures, A Better Mousetrap, Victory, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle)
*Eric Reynolds (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark)
*George Samilski (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 2)
*[[Steve Sauers]] (The Trigger part 1 & 2,
*[[Ram Sandhu]] (Dark Voyage, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Jeffery Scott (animator)|Jeffrey Scott]] (Other Voices part 1)
*Kevin Scott (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, The Spark, The Trigger part 1, Call of the Wild)
*Blair Simmons (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare)
*[[Robert Skiena]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command)
*[[Michael Skorey]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*Ron Sombilon (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game)
*[[Rakhsha Tafarodi]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades)
*[[Eric Torin]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Victory, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Trevor Traub]] (Before the Storm)
*[[Kelsey Wagner]] (Other Voices part 2)
*[[Yanick Wilisky]] (Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, The Probe, The Spark, Call of the Wild, The Low Road, Other Voices part 1)
*[[David Williscroft]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
}}
===On-Line Editors===
{{collist|2|
*[[Dermot Shane]]
*[[Anne Hoerber]]
}}
===Off-Line Editors===
{{collist|2|
*James Boshier (Beast Wars Part 2, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare)
*Colin Davies (Beast Wars Part 1, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Andrew Duncan (Chain of Command, Power Surge, Possession)
*[[Lori Hutton]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[William Lau]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*[[Craig McEwen]] (The Web, Equal Measures, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 2,Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*Andrew Duncan (Chain of Command)
*[[Steve Sacks]] (Fallen Comrades, Victory, The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
}}
===Director of Technical Operations===
*[[Kelly Daniels]]
===Chief Engineer===
*[[Greg Story]]
===Systems Engineers===
*[[Larry Bodnar]] (The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Russ Ptolomey]]
===Engineering Assistant===
*Andrew Ogawa (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Director of Software Development===
*[[Chris Welman]]
===Software Development===
*[[Tim Belsher]] (All except Beast Wars parst 1 and 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, and The Probe)
{{collist|2|
*[[Troy Brooks]]
*[[Albert Ho]]
*[[Phil Peterson]]
}}
===Software Technical Support===
*Eric Torin
===Machine Room Supervisor===
*[[Jim Corberr]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 and 2)
===Profile Videodisk Operators===
{{collist|2|
*[[Sylvain Blais]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 and 2)
*Lori Hutton (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark)
*[[Jean Ireland]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades)
*[[Amy Lucille Wildling]] (The Trigger parts 1& 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 and 2)
}}
===Corporate Controller===
*[[Giuliana Bertuzzi]], CMA
===Production Accountant===
*[[Nicole Forest]] (All except Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Trudi Thorwaldson]] (Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Jim Pratt]] (Other Voices part 2)
===Assistant Production Accountant===
*Trudi Thorwaldson (All except Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 and 2)
*[[Ellie Khabbaz]] (Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 1)
===Unit Publicist===
*[[Carol Taverner]] (Chain of Command, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe)
*[[Mairi Wellman]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe)
===Assistant to the Executive Producers===
*[[Sharon Fraser]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Assistant to the Producers===
*Sharon Fraser (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*Nina Bowkett (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Executive Assistant===
*Sharon Fraser (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare)
*[[Valerie Phillips]] (Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
===Alliance Executive===
*[[Beth Stevenson]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Production Office Assistant===
*Jennifer Twiner (The Trigger parts 1 & 2,, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
===Production Assistants===
{{collist|2|
*Sylvain Blais (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*Nina Bowkett (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Chris Cairns]] (The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Earl Fast]] (The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Shoma Galbraith]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark)
*[[Tyler Haider]] (Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*Lori Hutton (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*Jared Johnson (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
*[[Barnaby Killam]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Donna Maxwell]] (The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*Jeremy McCarron (Beast Wars Parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot)
*[[Murray McCarron]] (The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wil)
*Andrew Ogawa (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Jennifer Scherer]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2
*Trevor Traub (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark,
*[[Marco Tremblay]] (Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*Jennifer Twiner (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark,)
*[[Kelsety Wagner]] (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild)
}}
===Sound Design===
{{collist|2|
*[[Cal Shumiatcher|Irving Mulch]]
*[[Kerry Uchida]]
}}
===Sound Effects Editors===
{{collist|2|
*[[James Fonnyadt]]
*[[Jason Fredrickson]]
}}
**[[Kelly Frey]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe,)
===Foley Artists===
{{collist|2|
*[[Shane Shemko]]
*[[Cam Wagner]]
}}
===Re-Recording Mixers===
{{collist|2|
*[[Kelly Cole]] (All except A Better Mousetrap, Double Dinobot, Dark Voyage, The Low Road, The Law of the Jungle)
*[[Dean Giammarco]] (Chain of Command, A Better Mousetrap, Double Dinobot, The Spark)
*[[Bill Mellow]] (All except Chain of Command, The Spark, Possession)
*[[Sina Oroomchi]] (Dark Voyage, Possession)
*[[Paul Shape]] (The Low Road, Law of the Jungle)
}}
===Dialogue Recorded at===
*[[Pinewood Sound]]
===Final Mix===
*[[Sharpe Sound]]
===Special Thanks to===
{{collist|2|
*[[Anthony Gaud]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Chris Gross]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Tyrone Keyes]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Susan Stearns]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
}}
===Video Post Production===
*[[Mainframe Entertainment]] Inc
===Vice President of Operations===
*Phil Mitchell (All except (Beast Wars parts 1& 2, The Web, Equal Measures,)
===Director of Operations===
*Gavin Blair (All except (Beast Wars parts 1& 2, The Web, Equal Measures,)
===Vice President Production===
*[[Glenn Griffiths]] (All except (Beast Wars parts 1& 2, The Web, Equal Measures,)
Produced in Association with [[YTV]]
===Company credits===
Recorded in Stereo Sound

Copyright [[1996]] [[Transformers Production Company]] Inc.
*All Rights Reserved

A Mainframe / [[Alliance Atlantis|Alliance]] Production (The Trigger part 1)

An Alliance / Mainframe Production (The Trigger part 2)

An Alliance / Mainframe Entertainment Production (Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)

===Title cards===
Mainframe Entertainment title card

Alliance title card

==Notes==
*Some typos and errors
**Mashi Akiyama's last name was spelled as Akayama in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2.
**William Scott Farquhar's last name is spelled as Farquaar in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, and Before the Storm.
**Terri-Kim Chuckry is listed at Terry-Kim in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2.
**George Samilski's last name is misspelled as Similsky in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2.
**Jeremy McCarron's last name is listed as McCaron in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2
**Blu Mankuma's last name is misspelled as Mankma in A Better Mousetrap.

[[Category:Beast Wars media]]
[[Category:Media credits]]

Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 1)

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Wack'd: /* Supervising Animators */

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* [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 1)|Season 1]]
* [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 2)|Season 2]]
* [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)/credits (season 3)|Season 3]]
}}
==Opening Credits==
===Executive Producers===
{{collist|2|
*[[Christopher Brough]]
*[[Steven DeNure]]
*[[Ian Pearson]]
*[[Stéphane Reichel|Stephane Reichel]] (All except [[Victory (episode)|Victory]] and [[Dark Designs]])
}}
===Producer===
*[[Jonathan Goodwill]]

===Written by===
*[[Larry DiTillio]] ([[The Web]], [[Power Surge (episode)|Power Surge]], [[The Spark]], [[Spider's Game]], [[Before the Storm]], [[Other Voices, Part 1]], [[Other Voices, Part 2]])
*[[Bob Forward]] ([[Beast Wars (Part 1)]], [[Beast Wars (Part 2)]], [[Fallen Comrades]], [[The Trigger, Part 1]], [[The Trigger, Part 2]], [[Call of the Wild]], [[The Low Road]], Other Voices, Part 1)
{{collist|3|
*[[Rowby Goren]] ([[Double Dinobot]])
*[[Greg Johnson]] ([[Equal Measures]], [[Gorilla Warfare]])
*[[Samuel Warren Joseph]] ([[Dark Voyage]])
*[[Mark Leiren-Young]] ([[Law of the Jungle]])
*[[Craig Miller]] ([[The Probe]])
*[[Wendy Reardon]] (Victory)
*[[Chris Weber|Chris Allen Weber]] ([[A Better Mousetrap]])
*[[Ian Weir]] (Dark Design, [[Possession]])
*[[Karen Willson]] (A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Jesse Winfield]] ([[Chain of Command (BW)|Chain of Command]], [[Double Jeopardy]])
*[[Marv Wolfman]] ([[The Probe]])
}}

===Directed by===
{{collist|2|
*[[Steve Ball]] (Beast Wars Part 2, Fallen Comrades, Victory, Dark Voyage)
*[[James Boshier]] (Gorilla Warfare, Spider's Game)
*[[Colin Davies]] (The Spark, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Andrew Doucette]] (Chain of Command)
*[[C. Michael Easton]] (The Web)
*[[J. Falconer]] (A Better Mousetrap, The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
*[[Jonathan Goodwill]] (Call of the Wild)
*[[Owen Hurley]] (Dark Designs, Possession)
*[[Nicholas Kendall|Nick Kendall]] (Power Surge)
*[[Ezekiel Norton]] (The Probe, Other Voices part 2)
*[[T.W. Peacocke]] (Equal Measures)
*[[Ian Pearson]] (Beast Wars (Part 1)
*[[John Pozer]] (Double Dinobot, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Mark Schiemann]] (Double Jeopardy)
*[[Adam Wood]] (Before the Storm)
*[[Michaela Zabranska]] (The Trigger part 2)
}}

==Closing Credits==
===Creative Consultant===
*Owen Hurley (Beast Wars Part 1)

===Story Editors===
{{collist|2|
*Larry DiTillio
*Bob Forward
}}

===Starring the Voices of===
*[[Don Brown]] (All except Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, Call of the Wild, and Law of the Jungle)
*[[Jim Byrnes]] (Spider's Game, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Garry Chalk|Gary Chalk]]
*[[Ian James Corlett|Ian Corlett]]
*[[David Kaye]] (All except A Better Mousetrap, The Trigger part 2, and Law of the Jungle)
*[[Blu Mankuma]] (Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, The Probe, Victory, The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Scott McNeil]]
*[[Richard Newman]] (All except Law of the Jungle and Other Voice's part 2)
*[[Pauline Newstone]] (The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 1 & 2)
*[[Doug Parker]] (All except The Web, Equal Measures, and Spider's Game)
*[[Carol Savenkoff]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, The Spark, Spider's Game, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Venus Terzo]] (Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Possession, The Low Road, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Alec Willows]] (All except Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, and Law of the Jungle)

===Voice Director===
*[[Susan Blu]]
===Casting by===
*[[BTL Productions LTD.]]
===Production Designer===
*[[Clyde Klotz]]
===Music Composed by===
*[[Robert Buckley]]
===Director of Animation===
*[[Phil Mitchell]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, and Fallen Comrades)
===Associate Producer===
*[[Barb Dawson]] (all except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2 and Double Jeopardy)
===Production Manager===
*[[James Lawson]] (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
*[[Erin Smith]] (All except Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
===Production Coordinator===
*Erin Smith (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
===YTV Executive===
*[[Laurinda Shaver]]
===Animation Coordinators===
*Barb Dawson (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
*[[Elizabeth Embling]] (Beast Wars Part 1 & 2)
*[[Angela Stevenson]] (All except Double Jeopardy and Other Voices part 2)
===Animation Tracker===
*[[Nina Bowkett]] (Dark Voyage, Possession)
*[[Jennifer Twiner]] (Other Voices part 2)
===Supervising Animators===
{{collist|2|
*[[Russell Ang]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Fallen Comrades, Dark Voyage)
*[[Ken Ball]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark)
*Steve Ball (A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Gavin Blair]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[C. Michael Easton]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Andrew (Spanky) Grant]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Casey Kwan]] (The Low Road)
*[[Mark Lemon]] (Possession)
*[[Phil Mitchell]] (The Probe)
*[[Gino Nichele]] (Double Dinobot, The Trigger part 1, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Eric Reynolds]] (Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Rob Skiena]] (Before the Storm)
*[[Ken Steel]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 2)
*[[Adam Wood]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2 , Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game)
*[[Michaela Zabranska]] (Dark Designs)
}}

===Senior Animators===
{{collist|2|
*Russell Ang (A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Mabel Chan]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[William (Tonee) Chan]] (Other Voices part 1)
*[[Stephen Cooper]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades)
*[[Jeffrey Cappleman]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Katrina Conwright]] (The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2
*Andrew Doucette (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Michael Ferraro]] (Chain of Command)
*[[Rob Hansen]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild)
*[[Ken Henderson]] (Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
*[[Alan Harrison]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy)
*[[Casey Kwan]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1)
*Walter Hsieh (Possession)
*[[Allen LeCorre]] (Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Mark Lemon (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command)
*[[Jonathan Moyes]] (Dark Voyage)
*Gino Nichele (Fallen Comrades, Gorilla Warfare)
*Ezekiel Norton (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Morgan Ratsoy]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Possession)
*[[George Samilski]] (The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
*[[Steven Sauers]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs)
*[[Mark Schiemann]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Kevin Scott]] (Double Dinobot, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2
*[[Blair Simmons]] (Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*Rob Skiena (Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game)
*[[Ron Sombilon]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Before the Storm)
}}
===Computer Animators===
{{collist|2|
*[[Mashi Akiyama]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Russell Ang (Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*[[Tyson Arazewski]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Jean-Yves Audouard]] (The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*Ken Ball (Call of the Wild)
*[[Scott Baltjes]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy)
*[[Corey Barnard]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, The Probe, Dark Designs, Dark Voyage)
*[[Frank Belina]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades, The Probe)
*[[Rod Bland]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, The Probe, Dark Designs)
*[[Christopher Brawn]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Sebastian Brodin]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Neil Bruder]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*Jeffrey Cappleman (Power Surge)
*[[Anne Davis Chan]] (Other Voices part 2)
*Mabel Chan (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Power Surge)
*William (Tonee) Chan (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild)
*[[Herrick Chiu]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Victory, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Terri-Kim Chuckry]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Victory, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*Katrina Conwright (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Fallen Comrades, The Trigger part 1)
*Stephen Cooper (The Web, Equal Measures, A Better Mousetrap)
*[[Kevin Culhane]] (Double Jeopardy, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*[[Virginie Michel d'Annoville]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*[[William Scott Farquhar]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, The Low Road, Before the Storm)
*Michael Ferraro (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*[[Carl Fletcher]] (Other Voices part 2)
*[[Shona Galbraith]] (Other Voices part 2)
*Rob Hansen (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command)
*[[Andrew Harvey]] (Dark Voyage)
*Ken Henderson (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, The Trigger part 2)
*Alan Harrison (Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2)
*[[Kristian Howald]] (The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Walter Hsieh]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, A Better Mousetrap, Victory, The Trigger part 2, The Low Road)
*[[Daniel Ife]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Brett Ineson]] (Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*[[Jared Johnson]] (Double Jeopardy, Dark Designs, The Spark, The Trigger part 2, Law of the Jungle)
*[[Ali Kojori]] (A Better Mousetrap, Double Dinobot, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Casey Kwan (The Trigger part 2)
*[[Martin L'Hereux]] (Double Jeopardy, The Spark, Call of the Wild)
*Allen LeCorre (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures)
*Mark Lemon (Gorilla Warfare)
*[[Wilson Leung]] (Possession)
*[[Jiri Licenik]] (Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Debra Liptak]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, The Low Road, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Jeremy McCarron]] (The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road)
*[[Barry McDougal]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[Beatrice Moritz]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*Jonathan Moyes (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Low Road)
*[[Eric Murray]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[Micheal Mussellam]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road)
*[[Peter Nash]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Power Surge, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Dark Voyage)
*[[Arodi Navarro]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Victory, The Trigger part 1 & 2, The Low Road)
*Gino Nichele (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command)
*Ezekiel Norton (The Web, Equal Measures, Possession, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Andrew Ogawa]] (Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Leslie Oldham]] (Possession, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Fernando Pazos]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[Mike Pieczonka]] (Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle)
*J[[eff Poole]] (Other Voices part 1 & part 2)
*Morgan Ratsoy (The Web, Equal Measures, A Better Mousetrap, Victory, The Spark, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle)
*Eric Reynolds (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark)
*George Samilski (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Victory, The Trigger part 2)
*[[Steve Sauers]] (The Trigger part 1 & 2,
*[[Ram Sandhu]] (Dark Voyage, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Jeffery Scott (animator)|Jeffrey Scott]] (Other Voices part 1)
*Kevin Scott (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, The Spark, The Trigger part 1, Call of the Wild)
*Blair Simmons (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare)
*[[Robert Skiena]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command)
*[[Michael Skorey]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2)
*Ron Sombilon (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game)
*[[Rakhsha Tafarodi]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, Chain of Command, Fallen Comrades)
*[[Eric Torin]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Victory, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 2)
*[[Trevor Traub]] (Before the Storm)
*[[Kelsey Wagner]] (Other Voices part 2)
*[[Yanick Wilisky]] (Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, The Probe, The Spark, Call of the Wild, The Low Road, Other Voices part 1)
*[[David Williscroft]] (Beast Wars part 1 & 2, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 1 & 2, Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
}}
===On-Line Editors===
{{collist|2|
*[[Dermot Shane]]
*[[Anne Hoerber]]
}}
===Off-Line Editors===
{{collist|2|
*James Boshier (Beast Wars Part 2, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare)
*Colin Davies (Beast Wars Part 1, Power Surge, A Better Mousetrap, The Spark, Call of the Wild, Other Voices part 1)
*Andrew Duncan (Chain of Command, Power Surge, Possession)
*[[Lori Hutton]] (Dark Voyage)
*[[William Lau]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Double Jeopardy, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, Before the Storm)
*[[Craig McEwen]] (The Web, Equal Measures, The Probe, Dark Designs, The Trigger part 2,Law of the Jungle, Other Voices part 2)
*Andrew Duncan (Chain of Command)
*[[Steve Sacks]] (Fallen Comrades, Victory, The Trigger part 1, The Low Road)
}}
===Director of Technical Operations===
*[[Kelly Daniels]]
===Chief Engineer===
*[[Greg Story]]
===Systems Engineers===
*[[Larry Bodnar]] (The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Russ Ptolomey]]
===Engineering Assistant===
*Andrew Ogawa (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Director of Software Development===
*[[Chris Welman]]
===Software Development===
*[[Tim Belsher]] (All except Beast Wars parst 1 and 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, and The Probe)
{{collist|2|
*[[Troy Brooks]]
*[[Albert Ho]]
*[[Phil Peterson]]
}}
===Software Technical Support===
*Eric Torin
===Machine Room Supervisor===
*[[Jim Corberr]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 and 2)
===Profile Videodisk Operators===
{{collist|2|
*[[Sylvain Blais]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 and 2)
*Lori Hutton (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark)
*[[Jean Ireland]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades)
*[[Amy Lucille Wildling]] (The Trigger parts 1& 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 and 2)
}}
===Corporate Controller===
*[[Giuliana Bertuzzi]], CMA
===Production Accountant===
*[[Nicole Forest]] (All except Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Trudi Thorwaldson]] (Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 1)
*[[Jim Pratt]] (Other Voices part 2)
===Assistant Production Accountant===
*Trudi Thorwaldson (All except Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 and 2)
*[[Ellie Khabbaz]] (Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices part 1)
===Unit Publicist===
*[[Carol Taverner]] (Chain of Command, Power Surge, Double Jeopardy, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe)
*[[Mairi Wellman]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe)
===Assistant to the Executive Producers===
*[[Sharon Fraser]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Assistant to the Producers===
*Sharon Fraser (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*Nina Bowkett (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Executive Assistant===
*Sharon Fraser (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare)
*[[Valerie Phillips]] (Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
===Alliance Executive===
*[[Beth Stevenson]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
===Production Office Assistant===
*Jennifer Twiner (The Trigger parts 1 & 2,, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
===Production Assistants===
{{collist|2|
*Sylvain Blais (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*Nina Bowkett (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Chris Cairns]] (The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Earl Fast]] (The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*[[Shoma Galbraith]] (The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark)
*[[Tyler Haider]] (Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*Lori Hutton (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*Jared Johnson (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, The Probe)
*[[Barnaby Killam]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Donna Maxwell]] (The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*Jeremy McCarron (Beast Wars Parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot)
*[[Murray McCarron]] (The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wil)
*Andrew Ogawa (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Jennifer Scherer]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2
*Trevor Traub (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark,
*[[Marco Tremblay]] (Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)
*Jennifer Twiner (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark,)
*[[Kelsety Wagner]] (A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, Victory, Dark Designs, Double Dinobot, The Spark, The Trigger parts 1 & 2, Spider's Game, Call of the Wild)
}}
===Sound Design===
{{collist|2|
*[[Cal Shumiatcher|Irving Mulch]]
*[[Kerry Uchida]]
}}
===Sound Effects Editors===
{{collist|2|
*[[James Fonnyadt]]
*[[Jason Fredrickson]]
}}
**[[Kelly Frey]] (All except Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, The Web, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Power Surge, Fallen Comrades, Double Jeopardy, A Better Mousetrap, Gorilla Warfare, The Probe,)
===Foley Artists===
{{collist|2|
*[[Shane Shemko]]
*[[Cam Wagner]]
}}
===Re-Recording Mixers===
{{collist|2|
*[[Kelly Cole]] (All except A Better Mousetrap, Double Dinobot, Dark Voyage, The Low Road, The Law of the Jungle)
*[[Dean Giammarco]] (Chain of Command, A Better Mousetrap, Double Dinobot, The Spark)
*[[Bill Mellow]] (All except Chain of Command, The Spark, Possession)
*[[Sina Oroomchi]] (Dark Voyage, Possession)
*[[Paul Shape]] (The Low Road, Law of the Jungle)
}}
===Dialogue Recorded at===
*[[Pinewood Sound]]
===Final Mix===
*[[Sharpe Sound]]
===Special Thanks to===
{{collist|2|
*[[Anthony Gaud]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Chris Gross]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Tyrone Keyes]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
*[[Susan Stearns]] (Beast Wars parts 1 & 2)
}}
===Video Post Production===
*[[Mainframe Entertainment]] Inc
===Vice President of Operations===
*Phil Mitchell (All except (Beast Wars parts 1& 2, The Web, Equal Measures,)
===Director of Operations===
*Gavin Blair (All except (Beast Wars parts 1& 2, The Web, Equal Measures,)
===Vice President Production===
*[[Glenn Griffiths]] (All except (Beast Wars parts 1& 2, The Web, Equal Measures,)
Produced in Association with [[YTV]]
===Company credits===
Recorded in Stereo Sound

Copyright [[1996]] [[Transformers Production Company]] Inc.
*All Rights Reserved

A Mainframe / [[Alliance Atlantis|Alliance]] Production (The Trigger part 1)

An Alliance / Mainframe Production (The Trigger part 2)

An Alliance / Mainframe Entertainment Production (Spider's Game, Call of the Wild, Dark Voyage, Possession, The Low Road, Law of the Jungle, Before the Storm, Other Voices parts 1 & 2)

===Title cards===
Mainframe Entertainment title card

Alliance title card

==Notes==
*Some typos and errors
**Mashi Akiyama's last name was spelled as Akayama in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2.
**William Scott Farquhar's last name is spelled as Farquaar in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2, Equal Measures, Chain of Command, Gorilla Warfare, Double Dinobot, Spider's Game, and Before the Storm.
**Terri-Kim Chuckry is listed at Terry-Kim in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2.
**George Samilski's last name is misspelled as Similsky in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2.
**Jeremy McCarron's last name is listed as McCaron in Beast Wars parts 1 & 2
**Blu Mankuma's last name is misspelled as Mankma in A Better Mousetrap.

[[Category:Beast Wars media]]
[[Category:Media credits]]

Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)

2021-11-20T04:49:27Z

Wack'd: seaons

{{disambig2|the 2018 animated series|the 2011 toyline|Cyberverse (toyline)}}
{{nav-cyberverse}}
[[File:Cyberverse show promo image.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.4|"This, Bumblebee, is my archive of all the experiences you've begged me to remove from your life. I call them 'Bumblebee's Mind Blowers'!"]]

'''''Transformers: Cyberverse''''', later rebranded as '''''Transformers: Bumblebee Cyberverse Adventures''''' for its final two seasons, is a [[computer-generated imagery|computer-animated]] series developed by [[Boulder Media Studio]]. It debuted on the [[Cartoon Network]] app and website on [[August 27]], [[2018]], and made its television premiere on Cartoon Network on [[September 1]], 2018. The story is divided into chapters: Chapter One ran for 18 episodes in 2018, Chapter Two ran for 18 episodes in 2019, and Chapter Three ran for 26 episodes in 2020. The show concluded with a shortened fourth Chapter of two extended-length episodes (or two four-parters) in November 2021. Unlike nearly every prior ''Transformers'' TV series, episodes are only 11 minutes in length as opposed to 22 minutes.

The series is intended to "focus more on characters and their mythology", featuring a stronger emphasis on serialized storytelling, and utilizes the "[[evergreen]]" character designs. It is set in a new continuity and is not a sequel to any previous series.

==Storyline==
During the war on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], [[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)|Optimus Prime]] and a team including Bumblebee have left the planet to search for the [[AllSpark|Allspark]]. The [[Decepticon]]s catch wind that the ancient artifact is on [[Earth]], and leave to investigate, which forces Windblade to take a one-way [[space bridge]] journey there herself. Unable to find any trace of the [[Ark (Cyberverse)|Ark]] or Optimus Prime, she manages to find her old friend Bumblebee. However, he is suffering from amnesia and has no recollection of who he is or how he got there. With the pair being pursued relentlessly by the Decepticons' [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]]s, Windblade must help Bumblebee unlock and repair his damaged memories of the war and his journey to Earth so that they can locate Optimus and the Allspark before their enemies do.

In the second season, several decades later, the revived Autobots and the recently arrived Decepticons now battle over the fate of Earth thanks to the knowledge that the Allspark is somewhere on the planet, protected by its [[Cheetor (Cyberverse)|guardian]]. The conflict escalates when Starscream, believing he has been chosen for a higher purpose, makes his own bid for power that puts both sides at risk. Thus it falls to the Autobots to not only retrieve the Allspark but to escort it safely back to Cybertron.

In the third season, the Autobots manage to retake Cybertron from the Decepticons, but [[Quintesson|otherworldly invaders]] arrive and take control of the planet. With everyone else imprisoned, a ragtag resistance group made up of Bots and Cons alike must band together to save their friends, Cybertron, and potentially the entire universe. Even after the day is saved, Cybertron stands as a divided government, with Windblade's mind scattered in shards across the planet and Megatron preparing for the coming of an [[Megatron X (Cyberverse)|enemy]] from another universe.

In the final season, the Autobots and Decepticons prepare for a new Cybertron without conflict, though their [[Treaty of the Wall|peace treaty]] is interrupted by [[Mercenary|Mercenaries]] seeking revenge and fortune. With Cybertron frozen in time, [[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] and a group of [[Dinobot (Cyberverse)|strangers from another planet]] must combine their efforts to save the day. Unfortunately, the Cybertronians cannot enjoy peace for long, as the forces from the other universe return, threatening to reignite the Great War anew.

==Characters==
{{Featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)|Bumblebee]] ([[Jeremy Levy]])
*[[Windblade (Cyberverse)|Windblade]] ([[Jessica DiGiovanni]])
*[[Optimus Prime (Cyberverse)|Optimus Prime]] ([[Jake Foushee]])
*[[Hot Rod (Cyberverse)|Hot Rod/Dark Hot Rod]] ([[Travis Artz]])
*[[Cheetor (Cyberverse)|Cheetor]] ([[TJ Nelson]])
*[[Perceptor (Cyberverse)|Perceptor]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Whirl (Cyberverse)|Whirl]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Rack'n'Ruin (Cyberverse)|Rack'n'Ruin]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Jetfire (Cyberverse)|Jetfire]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Chromia (Cyberverse)|Chromia]] ([[Latonia Phipps]], [[Jaime Lamchick]])
*[[Arcee (Cyberverse)|Arcee]] (Jaime Lamchick)
*[[Wheeljack (Cyberverse)|Wheeljack]] ([[Billy Bob Thompson]])
*[[Ratchet (Cyberverse)|Ratchet]] ([[Todd Perlmutter]])
*[[Kup (Cyberverse)|Kup]] ([[Tony Daniels]])
*[[Prowl (Cyberverse)|Prowl]] ([[Dick Terhune]])
*[[Thunderhowl (Cyberverse)|Thunderhowl]] ([[Rich Orlow]])
*[[Alpha Trion (Cyberverse)|Alpha Trion]] (Rich Orlow)
*[[Meteorfire (Cyberverse)|Meteorfire]] (Rich Orlow)
*[[Cosmos (Cyberverse)|Cosmos]] (Jessica DiGiovanni)
*[[Blurr (Cyberverse)|Blurr]] ([[JC Ernst]])
*[[Hammerbyte]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Red Five]] ([[Marc Thompson]])

;[[Dinobot (Cyberverse)|Dinobots]]
*[[Volcanicus (Cyberverse)|Volcanicus]] ([[Ryan Nicolls]])
**[[Grimlock (Cyberverse)|Grimlock]] ([[Ryan Andes]])
**[[Swoop (Cyberverse)|Swoop]] ([[Laurie Hymes]])
**[[Sludge (Cyberverse)|Sludge]] (Marc Thompson)
**[[Snarl (Cyberverse)|Snarl]] (Rich Orlow)
**[[Slug (Cyberverse)|Slug]] (Rich Orlow)

|c2=
*[[Megatron (Cyberverse)|Megatron]] (Marc Thompson)
*[[Starscream (Cyberverse)|Starscream]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Shockwave (Cyberverse)|Shockwave]] (Ryan Andes)
**[[Shockwave's drones]]
*[[Soundwave (Cyberverse)|Soundwave]] ([[Marc Swint]])
**[[Laserbeak (Cyberverse)|Laserbeak]]
*[[Clobber (Cyberverse)|Clobber]]* ([[Saskia Marx]], [[Deanna McGovern]])
*[[Dead End (Cyberverse)|Dead End]] ([[Xavier Paul]])
*[[Shadow Striker (Cyberverse)|Shadow Striker]] (Deanna McGovern)
*[[Sky-Byte (Cyberverse)|Sky-Byte]] (Marc Thompson)
*[[Lockdown (Cyberverse)|Lockdown]] (Tony Daniels)
*[[Drift (Cyberverse)|Drift/Deadlock]]* (Tony Daniels)
*[[Wildwheel (Cyberverse)|Wildwheel]]* (Rich Orlow)
*[[Alpha Strike]] (Jaime Lamchick)
*[[Bludgeon (Cyberverse)|Bludgeon]]

;[[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seeker]]s
*[[Slipstream (Cyberverse)|Slipstream]] ([[Lianne Marie Dobbs]])
*[[Thundercracker (Cyberverse)|Thundercracker]] ([[Ben Bott]])
*[[Nova Storm (Cyberverse)|Nova Storm]] (Saskia Marx)
*[[Acid Storm (Cyberverse)|Acid Storm]] (Jaime Lamchick)
*[[Thrust (Cyberverse)|Thrust]] ([[Tomas Virgadula]])
*[[Ramjet (Cyberverse)|Ramjet]] (Tony Daniels)
*[[Dirge (Cyberverse)|Dirge]] (Ryan Nicolls)
*[[Skywarp (Cyberverse)|Skywarp]]

'''Alternate universe'''
*[[Megatron X (Cyberverse)|Megatron X]] (Marc Thompson)
*[[Decepticon supersoldier]]s (Ryan Nicolls)
**[[Tarn (Cyberverse)|Tarn]] (Marc Thompson)
*[[Astrotrain (Cyberverse)|Astrotrain]] (Tony Daniels)
*[[Insecticon (Cyberverse)|Insecticon]]s
**[[Shrapnel (Cyberverse)|Shrapnel]] ([[Brian Levinson]])
**[[Kickback (Cyberverse)|Kickback]]
**[[Bombshell (Cyberverse)|Bombshell]]

|h3=Other|c3=
*[[Maccadam]]/[[Alchemist Prime]] (Dick Terhune)
*[[Teletraan-X (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-X]] (Tony Daniels)
*[[Teletraan-1 (Cyberverse)|Teletraan-1]] (Tony Daniels)
*[[Cube announcer drone|Announcers]] (Ryan Andes)
*[[Skullcruncher (Cyberverse)|Skullcruncher]]
*[[Discharge (Cyberverse)|Discharge]]

'''[[Titan (group)|Titans]]'''
*[[Croaton (Cyberverse)|Croaton]] (Tony Daniels)
*[[Iaconus]] (Ryan Andes)
*[[Dweller (Cyberverse)|Dweller]] (Dick Terhune)

'''[[Monsterbot (Cyberverse)|Monsterbots]]
*[[Repugnus (Cyberverse)|Repugnus]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Stinkus]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Teknicus]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Coolus]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Hippus]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Affluous]] (Rich Orlow)
*[[Operatus]] (Jaime Lamchick)
*[[Raddus]] (Marc Swint)
*[[Fabulous]]

;[[Mercenary|Mercenaries]]
*[[Trypticon (Cyberverse)|Trypticon]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Soundblaster (Cyberverse)|Soundblaster]] (Marc Thompson)
**[[Buzzsaw (Cyberverse)|Buzzsaw]]
*[[Bug Bite (Cyberverse)|Bug Bite]] (Marc Thompson)
*[[Nightbird (Cyberverse)|Nightbird]] (Jaime Lamchick)
*[[Afterburner (Cyberverse)|Afterburner]] (Rich Orlow)
*[[Doublecrosser (Cyberverse)|Doublecrosser]] (Ryan Andes)

|h4=Aliens|c4=
*[[Gray]] (Jessica DiGiovanni)
*[[Velgrox]] (Ryan Nicolls)

'''[[Quintesson]]s'''
*[[Judge (Cyberverse)|Judge]] (Saskia Marx, Jeremy Levy, Tony Daniels, Dick Terhune)
*[[Scientist (Cyberverse)|Scientist]] (Dick Terhune)
*[[Prosecutor (Cyberverse)|Prosecutor]]s

'''[[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]]'''
*[[Gnaw (Cyberverse)|Lord Gnaw]] (Jeremy Levy)
*[[Biter]] (Rich Orlow)
*[[Backbite (Cyberverse)|Backbite]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Sawtooth (Cyberverse)|Sawtooth]] (Billy Bob Thompson)
*[[Jawsy]] (Marc Thompson)
*[[The Snouts]]
*[[The Tails]]
*[[The Fins]]
|nonumbering=true}}
<nowiki>*</nowiki> Has changes in allegiance.

==Episodes==
{{see|List of Cyberverse episodes}}
===Chapter One (2018)===
{{collist|3|
#"[[Fractured]]"
#"[[Memory (Cyberverse)|Memory]]"
#"[[Allspark (Cyberverse)|Allspark]]"
#"[[The Journey]]"
#"[[Whiteout]]"
#"[[Megatron Is My Hero]]"
#"[[Cube (episode)|Cube]]"
#"[[Terminal Velocity]]"
#"[[Shadowstriker (episode)|Shadowstriker]]"
#"[[Maccadam's]]"
#"[[Sabotage]]"
#"[[Teletraan-X (episode)|Teletraan-X]]"
#"[[Matrix of Leadership (episode)|Matrix of Leadership]]"
#"[[Siloed]]"
#"[[King of the Dinosaurs]]"
#"[[The Extinction Event]]"
#"[[Awaken Sleeping Giants]]"
#"[[Eruption]]"
}}

===Chapter Two: Power of the Spark (2019)===
{{collist|3|
#"[[Sea of Tranquility]]"
#"[[Bad Moon Rising]]"
#"[[The Visitor]]"
#"[[Bring Me The Spark Of Optimus Prime]]"
#"[[Trials]]"
#"[[Dark Birth]]"
#"[[Parley]]"
#"[[Starscream's Children]]"
#"[[Spotted]]"
#"[[Secret Science]]"
#"[[Infinite Vendetta]]"
#"[[I Am The Allspark]]"
#"[[Escape From Earth]]"
#"[[Party Down]]"
#"[[Wiped Out]]"
#"[[Ghost Town]]"
#"[[Perfect Storm]]"
#"[[The Crossroads]]"
}}

===Chapter Three (2020)===
{{collist|3|
#"[[Battle For Cybertron I]]"
#"[[Battle For Cybertron II]]"
#"[[Battle For Cybertron III]]"
#"[[Battle For Cybertron IV]]"
#"[[The Loop]]"
#"[[The Dead End]]"
#"[[The Sleeper]]"
#"[[The Citizen]]"
#"[[The Trial]]"
#"[[The Prisoner]]"
#"[[The Scientist]]"
#"[[The Alliance]]"
#"[[The Judge (episode)|The Judge]]"
#"[[The End Of The Universe I]]"
#"[[The End Of The Universe II]]"
#"[[The End Of The Universe III]]"
#"[[The End Of The Universe IV]]"
#"[[Enemy Line]]"
#"[[Thunderhowl (episode)|Thunderhowl]]"
#"[[Wild Wild Wheel]]"
#"[[Alien Hunt! With Meteorfire And Cosmos]]"
#"[[Journey To The Valley Of Repugnus]]"
#"[[Rack 'n' Ruin 'n' Ratchet]]"
#"[[Dweller In The Depths (Cyberverse)|Dweller In The Depths]]"
#"[[Silent Strike]]"
#"[[The Other One]]"
}}

===Chapter Four (2021)===
#"[[The Immobilizers]]"
#"[[The Perfect Decepticon]]"

==Japanese release==
[[File:Transformers Cyberverse Japanese Press Release.jpg|thumb|upright=2.4]]

Unlike the English version, which uses voice actors new to their roles, several Transformers alumni voice characters in the Japanese dub. In some cases, this borders on role reprisal, such as ''Aligned'' [[Starscream (WFC)|Starscream]]'s voice actor voicing his ''Cyberverse'' counterpart or Bumblebee's voice actor having voiced four different versions of Bumblebee. In others, there are nods to their previous characters, with both Optimus Prime and Megatron's voice actors previously voicing [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] and [[Megatron (BW)|Megatron]] in the Japanese dub of ''Beast Wars''.

Like many other Japanese dubs (including ''Beast Wars'', ''Beast Machines'' and ''Transformers: Prime''), the Japanese dub of ''Cyberverse'' takes a more "humorous" tack towards the show. For example, in the episode [[Sea of Tranquility]] as Starscream attacks Windblade he cheerfully goes, "Hello, Starscream here!" Even more serious characters like Optimus Prime aren't spared, as at one point he complains, "I was still talking!" when Megatron punches him.

Other typical Japanese dub additions include characters yelling "Transform!" as they, well, transform. The occasional special attack name is also called out; for example, in "[[Bad Moon Rising]]", Megatron cries out, "Punishment Cannon: Fusion Cannon, FIRE!" when he blasts Starscream.

Personality-wise, some characters are effectively transplants of their previous incarnations. Starscream, for example, is basically ''Prime'' Starscream right down to his mannerisms. Megatron and Optimus Prime are basically their G1 counterparts with Japanese dub Beast Megatron and Optimus Primal's personalities. Other characters have quirks unique to previous Japanese dubs, like Shockwave punctuating his sentences with "shock!" similar to his ''Prime'' counterpart and being much more expressive compared to the stoic and clinical English version.

In lieu of an opening theme, Cyberverse has characters talking over the opening credits to pump up the kids watching the show. For the ending, the same character will talk over the English credits commenting on events in the episode, and afterward, the Japanese credits will play over stills of highlights from said episode.

==Home video releases==
{{main|Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)/home video}}
;Australia
*''Transformers: Cyberverse'' - The Journey (2019)
*''Transformers: Cyberverse'' - Terminal Velocity (2019)
*''Transformers: Cyberverse'' - King of the Dinosaurs (2019)

==Notes==
*The first season of ''Cyberverse'' draws some concepts from the ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' film, released a few months after ''Cyberverse'' debuted; in particular, the plot point of Bumblebee's amnesia is lifted directly from the film, as is the "honeycomb" design of Bumblebee's internal readouts.
*Unlike previous ''Transformers'' series, the characters in this show are modeled with only four fingers. The ''Cyberverse'' characters are also known for the "Energon vein" designs in many of their joints (mostly the hips). Much like ''Animated'', the ''Cyberverse'' characters also have an overwhelming design tendency to have large boot-like feet.
*While most of the cast make use of [[evergreen]] designs, several characters who don't have toys in the accompanying toyline use stylized versions of recent toy or fiction designs. For example, [[Chromia (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Chromia]]'s appearance is based on her [[Chromia (G1)#2005 IDW continuity|2014-2018 IDW comic design]] while [[Bludgeon (Cyberverse)|''Cyberverse'' Bludgeon]] is modeled on his [[Bludgeon (Prime)#Robots in Disguise (2015)|2017 ''Robots in Disguise'' toy]]. The [[Seeker (Cyberverse)|Seekers]] are a special case, generally using modified versions of Starscream's design (which ''is'' based on his evergreen design). This does slightly affect [[show-accuracy]] in regards to toys: most of Slipstream and Thundercracker's toys are straight [[redeco]]es of Starscream's whereas in the cartoon itself the differences between Screamer and his subordinates are more pronounced.
*Compared to past ''Transformers'' cartoons set on modern-day Earth, the presence of [[human]]s in the series is extremely limited. Aside from a kid in "[[Teletraan-X (episode)|Teletraan-X]]", some unseen voiceovers in "[[Sea of Tranquility]]", and silhouettes and drawings in "[[Wild Wild Wheel]]", no humans appear in the series at all. This was a conscious decision by the staff since the beginning, as the limited episode runtime was not conducive to the "B plots" that tend to come with the addition of human sidekicks.<ref name="Q+A"/>
*The show's premiere episodes, "[[Fractured]]" and "[[Memory (Cyberverse)|Memory]]," were both put up on Cartoon Network's mobile app and website several days before their U.S. television premiere. All subsequent episodes of the season were uploaded the day before they were aired on television, followed by a release on Hasbro's YouTube channel the day after, region-locked to United States users; following a weekend without any videos due to American Thanksgiving, the YouTube release moved to the ''next'' Sunday after airing starting with episode 13. Cartoon Network's app/website split each episode into two separate parts, each with a generic title card, and were numbered as such. By the second season, the Cartoon Network site began putting up episodes over a week before they would hit the airwaves, and Hasbro's YouTube uploads returned to their one-day delay schedule, now unlocked for all regions. By the time of the third season, Cartoon Network was airing 2-4 new episodes at a time while Hasbro continued to upload just one per week, falling significantly behind by the time they had finished airing on TV; the final episode ultimately didn't hit YouTube until 3 1/2 months after its US airdate. The Cartoon Network site kept up with the TV schedule, still splitting episodes into two parts, though they were now locked for people without a Cartoon Network cable account. Hasbro later pulled the Season 3 episodes down for unknown reasons, and didn't begin uploading them again until April 2021, presumably to reintroduce the series to viewers in advance of Season 4's release that November. On that note, in a bit of an unexpected inversion to cap this whole thing off, both the Season 4 specials ended up getting released to YouTube weeks ahead of their [[Netflix]] premiere dates.
*While the first season was aired at a rate of one episode per week in the United States, Canadian network Teletoon aired ''two'' episodes every week in a half-hour block. Consequently, "[[Megatron Is My Hero]]" through "[[Maccadam's]]" all premiered on Canadian television ahead of their US broadcasts. In fact, the entire rest of the first season was initially scheduled to debut in Canada over the following weeks, but it was all pulled and replaced with re-runs, presumably because someone US-side didn't like how far ahead they were getting! However, the show still couldn't catch a break, as the next two episodes premiered on the Xfinity X1 service more than two weeks before they aired on television, with the remaining Chapter One episodes each airing in Singapore at least a week ahead of their US broadcast. This unfortunate scheduling continued during Chapter Two's broadcast, with the season premiering in multiple countries (including Australia, New Zealand, the Netherlands, and France) two weeks ahead of its US broadcast and airing at a rate of four new episodes each weekend, finishing out the season as the US was only just starting it. Chapter Three followed suit, with UK channel POP TV airing daily broadcasts of four new episodes in a row; as a result, they aired ''the entire season'' in the span of only ''a week and a half,'' completing it before a US airdate had even been announced. And as a final button on this string of scheduling snafus, all of Chapter Four ended up airing on Teletoon (and the first episode on YouTube, as previously mentioned) two weeks before its Netflix release.
*In a Q&A session, concepts and characters that writer [[Mae Catt]] expressed a desire to feature in the series which ultimately didn't come to pass included: [[Obsidian (BM)|Obsidian]], [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]/[[Minimus Ambus]], [[Jazz (Cyberverse)|Jazz]] (who would have been female), [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]], [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]], [[Knock Out (Prime)|Knock Out]], [[Transmutate (BW)|Transmutate]] (who would have been a visual amalgamation of her ''Beast Wars: Uprising'' and original ''Beast Wars'' designs), [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]], [[Lightbright (G1)|Lightbright]], [[Nickel]], various [[combiner]]s, crossovers with other ''Transformers'' continuities (examples including "Aligned", ''Animated'', ''Shattered Glass'', and the classic Generation 1), and a redemption arc for Starscream (who would have survived the events of "The End Of The Universe", suffered amnesia, and carried a psychic shard of Windblade). Catt also noted that the crew wanted to avoid a storyline featuring [[Unicron]] because of how repetitive it had become.<ref name="Q+A">"[https://shikai-the-storyteller.tumblr.com/post/613237429097365504/i-absolutely-didnt-go-back-through-and-edit-this Transformers: Cyberverse – Mae Catt Q&A Session (Unedited Edition), 21 March 2020]"</ref>

===Foreign names===
*''Portuguese:'' '''''Transformers Cyberverse: As Aventuras de Bumblebee''''' (Brazil, "Transformers Cyberverse: The Adventures of Bumblebee", Chapter Four only)

==References==
{{Reflist}}

==External links==
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLvMHCfwLXJRYF8ErpboT-6dpuNa1deWjV Complete ''Transformers Cyberverse'' playlist on YouTube]
*[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhWipIfRhqz0_k6ZEWjs4icCnSOVcZUBq ''Transformers Cyberverse'' playlist on TakaraTomy's YouTube channel] (JP only)
*[http://news.tfw2005.com/2017/08/03/tfw2005-coverage-hasbro-media-investor-day-2017-346226 ''Cyberverse'' first teased at Hasbro Media And Investor Day 2017]

{{DEFAULTSORT:Cyberverse}}
[[Category:Cyberverse (2018)| (cartoon)]]
[[Category:Television series]]

Talk:Holomatter

2021-08-05T17:28:22Z

Wack'd:

== Rung's Avatar ==

Could Rung's avatar possibly be modelled after Robin Gibb, one of the band-members of the Bee Gees? - [[User:TwistersIndigo|Twister]] 19:21, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
:I was always under the impression that it was based on Roberts himself. The style of dress is near-identical to the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/archive/6/6c/20130814104853!James_Roberts.jpg old photo we had for him on the Wiki]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 20:16, 25 October 2013 (EDT)
::Yeah, that definitly looks like Roberts to me. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 20:18, 25 October 2013 (EDT)

== Live action move ==

Are live action movie drivers holomatter (i.e. solid) or just holograms? I don't remember if they ever interacted with anything. - [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 21:57, 14 January 2016 (EST)

== Non-Holomatter Avatars ==

This page isn't specifically about Transformers looking like humans. I'm hesitant to put all of the information about dream sequences and synthoids here. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:01, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
:Yeah, the synthoid stuff definitely didn't belong on this page. I could see ''maaaaaaaaybe'' doing a "see also" section and linking to [[synthoid]] there, but even that's kinda iffy. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 10:58, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
::Oh, sure, a see also works. Was the Blackout hologram ever explicitly called a holomatter avatar? Because otherwise it probably doesn't belong here. Lots of Transformers use holograms or other fake humans while driving. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:20, 5 May 2016 (EDT)
::: Yeah, this article should just be for holomatter, aka only IDW stuff. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 11:22, 5 May 2016 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots

2021-07-21T16:31:19Z

Wack'd: /* Is the sister Wiki still a thing? */

= GoBots on this wiki=
''All the key discussions over the years about GoBots, and their place on the wiki.''

==2009==
===Executive Summary===
''A huge discussion about how much GoBots is appropriate, and why. After 4 months of discussion, a compromise that everyone can agree on, starting a GoBots sister wiki on the same server with the same code, is reached.''

====Canon====
{{note|This conversation originally took place on the [[Gobots]] franchise page.}}

A note should be said in the article about canon. What is canon? I'm guessing it is like G.I. Joe: the whole universe is canon, but only the bits that appear in Transformers fiction is {{SITENAME}}-noteworthy. Or is it like crossovers such as Star Wars: only the bits that appear in Transformers fiction are canon. Or (I don't think so) does Hasbro's purchase of them retroactively drag everything in, cartoon and all, as a "continuity family"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that the GoBots should be covered here IN FULL.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
::It is indeed like G.I. Joe or Death's Head, where the only stories that count for the purposes of our wiki are the ones that include Transformers.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure I agree. The Gobots cartoon has effectively been subsumed, in whole, into the Transformers mythos. This is a fundamentally different case than Death's Head, who left the Transformers multiverse explicitly, or G.I. Joe, which has implicitly diverged. Due to the legalities surrounding GoBots, the only licensed future stories set in the Gobots multiverse will be Transformers stories. We could certainly choose to catalog the 65 episodes and one movie of Gobots as effectively another Transformers continuity family, which it basically is. I'm not sure what the downside would be to that, other than it'll take a while for it to be up to the wiki's usual standards. I'd be happy enough to go through and start with character pages and episode guides though. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:10, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
::::As much as I'd fap to the idea of having full-blown GoBots coverage on this wiki, I'd just like to get straight how ''deep'' we'd go with the coverage. Would we cover just the cartoon? Would we also cover the Robo Machine comics published in the UK? Would we do articles for each character along with complete toy write ups? Just curious. I wouldn't mind slogging through the cartoons myself, or maybe even calling dibs on the Rock Lords movie, but I'd just like to know exactly ''how much'' GoBots we'd be willing to cover.
::::And just to throw it out there for reference, [http://counter-x.net/gobots/ Counter-X] is probably our best source for GoBots research on the entire interwebs. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:31, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Also, would we be able to cover the toys, or just the fiction? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:47, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::I think that we'd only cover the part of GoBots that are canon for Transformers. That'd be the cartoon, basically. IMO, the toys (as something owned by Bandai) are outside of that purview. Things like Machine-Robo and associated fiction have not been brought into the Transformers canon and pretty much cannot be officially, legally, brought in. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

If we can do it up to our usual standards, I'm for it. I just think it's a ''metric assload'' of material to be adding.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:00, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:Hey, we've all got ''plenty'' of time. What's one more metric assload? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:06, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::I welcome the challenge. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

====Initial kick-off====
{{note|This conversation, and all others unless explicitly noted, originally took place on [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|Community Portal]].}}
This idea is getting some traction over on the Tonka GoBots page, so I thought I'd replicate the discussion here. It's certainly a big enough change that it should get broad exposure. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:44, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

A note should be said in the [GoBots] [[GoBots|article]] about canon. What is canon? I'm guessing it is like G.I. Joe: the whole universe is canon, but only the bits that appear in Transformers fiction is {{SITENAME}}-noteworthy. Or is it like crossovers such as Star Wars: only the bits that appear in Transformers fiction are canon. Or (I don't think so) does Hasbro's purchase of them retroactively drag everything in, cartoon and all, as a "continuity family"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 17:07, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
::Personally, I think that the GoBots should be covered here IN FULL.[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 00:19, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
::It is indeed like G.I. Joe or Death's Head, where the only stories that count for the purposes of our wiki are the ones that include Transformers.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:20, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm not sure I agree. The Gobots cartoon has effectively been subsumed, in whole, into the Transformers mythos. This is a fundamentally different case than Death's Head, who left the Transformers multiverse explicitly, or G.I. Joe, which has implicitly diverged. Due to the legalities surrounding GoBots, the only licensed future stories set in the Gobots multiverse will be Transformers stories. We could certainly choose to catalog the 65 episodes and one movie of Gobots as effectively another Transformers continuity family, which it basically is. I'm not sure what the downside would be to that, other than it'll take a while for it to be up to the wiki's usual standards. I'd be happy enough to go through and start with character pages and episode guides though. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 23:10, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
::::And just to throw it out there for reference, [http://counter-x.net/gobots/ Counter-X] is probably our best source for GoBots research on the entire interwebs. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 23:31, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::I, uh, I'm not sure that really fits the TF Wiki's "mission statement." I mean, this is a Transformers wiki. We shouldn't start making ourselves cover entire other properties just because there was a crossover. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

====Depth of coverage?====
As much as I'd fap to the idea of having full-blown GoBots coverage on this wiki, I'd just like to get straight how ''deep'' we'd go with the coverage. Would we cover just the cartoon? Would we also cover the Robo Machine comics published in the UK? Would we do articles for each character along with complete toy write ups? Just curious. I wouldn't mind slogging through the cartoons myself, or maybe even calling dibs on the Rock Lords movie, but I'd just like to know exactly ''how much'' GoBots we'd be willing to cover.
:Also, would we be able to cover the toys, or just the fiction? -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 23:47, 16 October 2009 (EDT)
::I think that we'd only cover the part of GoBots that are canon for Transformers. That'd be the cartoon, basically. IMO, the toys (as something owned by Bandai) are outside of that purview. Things like Machine-Robo and associated fiction have not been brought into the Transformers canon and pretty much cannot be officially, legally, brought in. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Machine-Robo etc would probably fall under the same classification as Diaclone and Microchange, ie general mention but little detail. I am confused by your statement that "the toys (as something owned by Bandai) are outside of that purview." Taking that statement at face value the original Jetfire, Roadbuster and Whirl toys shouldn't be here either. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Not at all. Those toys were all released as Transformers. Other Takatoku and Bandai toys wouldn't be fair game, and aren't. The reason that the GoBots CARTOON can be on this wiki is that it was effectively bought by Hasbro when they acquired Tonka, and then integrated into the Transformers universe by licensed stories like Withered Hope. There has been no comparable action regarding GoBot toys. They were licensed to Tonka by Bandai. That license has long since expired. Hasbro has no claim on those toys, and there has never been any attempt to integrate the toys into the Transformers multiverse. At least, that's the way I see it. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:32, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Okay, now I understand your point. For the other side, it seems to me that the toys are the source for the cartoon; if one is fair game for this wiki so is the other. Since this site is not part of Hasbro, the licensing is irrelevant. That is, while Hasbro can't use the toys; we (as archivists) are free to use them. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 20:19, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

====Some initial chime-ins====

If we can do it up to our usual standards, I'm for it. I just think it's a ''metric assload'' of material to be adding.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 00:00, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:Hey, we've all got ''plenty'' of time. What's one more metric assload? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 00:06, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::I welcome the challenge. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:35, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I could definitely help out. (Dibs on swooping in and taking care of any spelling or punctuation mistakes.) --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 11:49, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I'm a little indecisive - the entire point of Withered Hope, etc. was that the GoBots exist OUTSIDE of the TF universe. While a given number of GoBots have since moved in, until further notice, it's unclear how many GoBots actually have integrated into the larger TF milieu. Now, if someone from Hasbro said, even in passing, that the GoBots stories are now considered part of the TF multiverse, I'd be all for it. Maybe it's something to think about for BC or the next Q&A. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 12:45, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::A while back there was a discussion where it was said that nothing that was once canon can be ''removed'' from canon later on, even by Hasbro. Is the reverse also true, can a block of fiction be retroactively ''added'' to canon that wasn't canon at the time? I'm thinking not really. I'm thinking only the glimpses of the GoBots universe in TF fiction belong. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:14, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::They're not really reciprocal arguments. Imagine this scenario: Hasbro kills off G2 and is soured on Transformers. They let their new acquisition, Kenner, start their own brand of Transforming robots, called Beast Wars, and they don't use the Transformers name in conjunction with it at all. No mention of Cybertron. No character named Megatron - call him T-Wrecks. It'd effectively be a completely different toyline and cartoon, not 'canon' for Transformers. The whole first season happens, more or less as we saw but without Starscream or the few mentions of past continuity. It's a big hit, so Hasbro decides to add the Transformers logo to the Beast Wars packaging. Then the second season starts up, and lo and behold, they make a big plot point out of The Ark, and the Predacons being descended from Decepticons. They would have changed the status of the S1 stories from non-canon to canon for Transformers.
::::::Now imagine that it wasn't until Beast Machines that this transition happened. Different logo, different writers, but a continuity of characters and ideas. It'd STILL retroactively pull all of the Beast Wars into Transformers canon. So, sure, stories can be retroactively made canon. Hell, what about this scenario - [[Alignment]] is republished by IDW, under the Transformers banner. Boom - non-canon becomes canon, just like that.
::::::It's possible, is all I'm saying. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:25, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::It's totally feasible, I'm just not sure it's actually HAPPENED with the GoBots material yet. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 13:41, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Yeah, my thought too. I don't really have a problem per se with the idea, it's just that I don't think GoBots ''is'' officially Transformers canon as a whole; just some individual characters that have shown up. Kind of like how various Marvel characters have been shown to be a part of canon, but we don't go and then write up the entire universe they hail from. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::But... but... when I was a kid GoBots were decidedly ''not'' Transformers. Back in the '80's that was kind of a big deal. Not a logical argument, I know. If Alignment were published as a Transformers story, sure it would be canon. If the GoBots cartoon were published as a Transformers story it would be canon. The Beast Wars example is interesting. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 13:49, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

====*IS* GoBots Canon for Transformers though?====

Yeah. Honestly, I don't know about this... at least, not ''now''. There's still a lot of TF stuff that needs deeper exploration and suchlike, including Club materials. I'd think a focus on those things before we delve deep into GoBots' non-TF-direct stuff would be in order. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:45, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:I share this thought. I think if people have enough time to be writing up a bunch of GoBot stuff, surely it's better spent (for now, at least) on writing up the TF stuff we already know we need? --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 17:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::There is no need to have articles here for Defendor, Destroyer, Tank, Fytor, Hans-Cuff, Jeeper Creeper, Wrexx, Pincer, Pumper, Vamp, Creepy, and probably 99.1% of all other GoBot characters and story events. We have the e-Hobby team, Withered Hope, the various Crashers and Cy-Kills and a few other circa-Dreamwave easter eggs, because they actually ''existed'' in some form in the TF multiverse. Trying to add in every other character that never did anything and doesn't matter just because we can would be about as fruitful and necessary as adding in every other G.I.Joe character ever that also never appeared here. That Eskimo Quinn dude could always use another write-up, right? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 17:51, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Im free, I'll do the GoBots. --[[Special:Contributions/206.253.51.107|206.253.51.107]] 21:14, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yeah, I'm not sure how the GoBots non-TF backstory is any more canon to TFs than the entirety of GI Joe, or Death's Head's other stories, or Spiderman comics, or X-Men, or the Incredible Hulk, or... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:07, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Leaving the above joking around aside, the difference between GoBots and the other crossovers is that GoBots is tending towards convergence, where as all the other cases listed are tending towards divergence. Gobots has been, de facto, merged into the Transformers line. It started with Transformers names and lines named GoBots. Then GoBots names and likenesses started to show up, again and again. Then toys were made to represent specific GoBots. Stories were published involving GoBots, not just as new Transformers, but as GoBonaughts '''from their cartoon continuity''' entering the realms of Transformers.
::::This is a fundamentally different situation from the other crossovers. Death's Head started out in Transformers (leaving High Noon Tex aside) but then left for another multiverse. G.I. Joe started out in the same multiverse, really, but has slowly but surely diverged to the point where future crossovers cannot exist as a part of the main lines. The Marvel stuff, again, very briefly started out in the same multiverse (rather, the TF comic briefly started out in the Marvel universe before diverging.)
::::That's the real underlying reason. GoBots are being absorbed into Transformers, literally (by the acquisition of Tonka) and figuratively (as seen in Withered Hopes.) That GoBots are about a civil war between shapechanging robots (well, cyborgs, but then, Beast Wars were cyborgs too) means that it works very well thematically. That all future official GoBots stories will come from Hasbro or its licensees makes it work on a practical level. It's a finite amount of non-Transformers-branded story to catalog, a mere 65 episodes, 1 movie and some 100 characters of note. If we assume maybe 2 extra characters or devices of interest per episode, that's about 300 articles. With the 10,000 we already have, that's hardly a daunting task. Heck, it even benefits Hasbro. It gives them easier access to the information and trademarks that they've already acquired, and thus lets them better protect their intellectual property.
::::Basically, that means that we CAN choose to catalog GoBots. The precedent is there in the form of the [[Beastformers]]. That doesn't necessarily mean we SHOULD, but we have the option. I for one would like to exercise that option, but only if enough people think it's a good idea. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 00:52, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

=====Marvel Continutiy side-discussion=====

::::All of Marvel 616 is totally contained within the IDW G1 continuity! Wolverine sure didn't warp from that reality to his own later on. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:39, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Wolverine appears in three solo titles, four team books, and a spattering of guest appearances every month. If there isn't SOME kind of reality warping that helps him get around, I'd be surprised. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 23:24, 17 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::For me, it's like kinda minor continuity within the 616 reality, since there are too many contradictory. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 23:48, 17 October 2009 (EDT)

=====Who owns what Vis-à-vis rights =====

How much of GoBots Hasbro owns, I thought, was subject to debate. Heck, Sipher and Trent go out of their way to not mention anybody in Withered Hope that either didn't have a Hasbro-owned name or wasn't based on a Transformers figure. That's why we have "Doctor B" instead of Doctor Braxus, why they name Leader One and not Cykill, and why they describe Turbo but do not name him. This indicates that the GoBots cartoon, as a whole, is not something that the "Withered Hope" story itself declares is open to us.
Hasbro owns Tonka... but does that really mean they now own the CotGB cartoon? They may just own some trademarks and some likenesses. That whole situation is kind of an intellectual property clusterfuck. Bandai owns the toys, Hanna Barbara may still retain rights to portions of the show, and Hasbro probably owns what little remains. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 01:25, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
:That's a really good point. I got the impression from the IDW editors that it's all on the table, but then it hasn't come up much in my books (yet) so that hasn't been put to the test. Sipher, could you shed some light on the process? Did you restrict your use of terms because of a Hasbro missive, or was that you being proactively cautious? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 03:46, 18 October 2009 (EDT)
::Legally it could be an abandoned copyright. Transformers has spent the last several years walking along the train tracks to go poke it with a stick in increasingly invasive ways... and it (or whoever owns it) has not reacted as we've had Transformers toys released that ''are'' Go-Bots characters, featured them in increasingly-large roles in Transformers stories, slowly transitioning to full-on (albeit minor) characters instead of cameos, taken measures to lock out their copyrights... and finally openly acknowledging "yes, we consider Go-Bots part of our multiverse, and intend to use them." It's not even a separate universe-- the rock lords stuff is showing up in the same universe as Cybertron. (In Multiple universes, right?)
::Whoever owns Go-Bots seems to have just given up. Go-Bots was never popular enough for a DVD set, even during the Maximum Nostalgia period. And with Hasbro owning their trademarks-- not just character names but the '''name of the damn line''' and '''species'''-- it's functionally impossible for them to market Go-Bots as a nostalgia property. When they didn't bring Machine Rescue Robo over to the U.S., the last real hope of a revival or relaunch died. (and most fundamentally... ''He-Man'' and ''Thunercats'' died. If they can't sustain revivals, Go-Bots doesn't stand a chance. The perception that all nostalgia properties are money-mines seems to have finally died out.) They just... what are they going to ever ''do'' with the part they own? Convention-exclusive comics that can't even be called "Go-Bots," it'd have to be "Guardians vs. Renegades" or "Challenge of the Guard-Bots"?
::A fine distinction... TF does '''not''' own the Go-Bots fiction-- that's {{c}} whoever owns it separately from the property. (This might be why [[Dead End (Armada)]] couldn't be called "Gobotron," Hasbro owns Go-Bots which is enough to prevent Tonka from using "Gobotron" as a replacement name, but AFAIK the name itself comes from the fiction and wasn't a trademark Hasbro acquired-- it's owned by Warner Bros., and a handful of other fiction-producers who did books and records.)
::In theory all the Go-Bots we're getting is a new universe that may ''resemble'' some past incarnation, but is actually based on the cardback bios... or something. (Which I don't ''think'' we actually have the rights to either... or maybe as part of the packaging they ''were'' part of the rights Kenner owned-- I dunno.)
::(Someone who knows more than I do about Go-Bots could probably figure out better than I who owns what part of the brand, which has been sawed up and redistributed like one of Dexter Morgan's victims.)
::'''Critical point:''' The 'abandoned copyright' thing I said above? It's a ''theoretical'' classification. No one ''relies'' on that, ever. It's even ''worse'' than Fair use. It is ''incredibly hard'' to abandon a copyright simply through neglect-- it basically requires an explicit declaration by all owners that they choose to do so, so all of the above theoretical musings are just that-- legal theory, and the law operates differently in a vacuum than it does in the real world.
::This would make a good question to ask in our Hasbro Q&A. Not who owns Go-Bots... they won't answer that because it's too legally fraught. Ask a simple question like "we know you got the trademarks via Kenner... does that include the cardback bios?" (Because I'd like to be able to fill out the [[Narly|Narliphant]] page using its go-bots bio.)
::'''Hypothetical aside'''-- remember the "Duck Dodgers meets the Green Lantern Corps" episode a few years ago? I'm not '''entirely''' sure, but I ''think'' WB could have had him meet the Go-Bots. Drop him into the full-on Hanna Barbera cartoon, using the names under a grandfather clause like Captain Marvel. ...they just have no '''reason''' to-- the trademarks effectively lock out their ability to create a new cartoon, sell toys, etc etc etc. I'm just pointing out how screwed up the rights are. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:06, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Interesting musings. The missing piece, though, is what kind of agreements Tonka structured with Hanna-Barbara, which have since passed to Hasbro and Warner Brothers, respectively. It's well known that Hasbro was savvy-enough to put legal agreements in place that ensured that new elements introduced in Transformers fiction continued to belong to Hasbro. Hence the manoeuvrings of Marvel with characters like Circuit Breaker and Death's Head. I don't know how Tonka structured their agreements, but that'll have a huge impact on where the rights stand now. I'm not sure, thought, that the failure to use 'Gobotron' for Dead-End had anything to do with legal wrangling.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:38, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
::::[[Image:Gobots copyright.png]]
::::Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse here, I'm just rather interested in the whole situation. I went and dug up the posted copyright notice for GoBots. Note that the actual episodes ARE indeed copyright Hanna-Barbera. On the other hand, GoBot names, characters and property is definitely copyright Tonka corp. So, the episodes themselves may not be kosher. The characters, and especially the character names, should be fair game.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 02:36, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::If we do come to the conclusion that the GoBots cartoon is ''fair game'' for us, I think we should go ahead and do it. As to why someone would "waste their time" on GoBots stuff when they have regular TF stuff they could write about, well, a few reasons. First, they might have access to the GoBots episodes but not a lot of TF stuff. Second, they might decide a lot of people would be willing to write TF, but GoBots, not so many. Third, they might be more a fan of GoBots and use this as an "adoptive wiki" for the show instead of starting a brand new one just for the GoBots. [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 03:40, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

::::::Ok, so by that image Jim has established that GoBot names and most importantly '''characters''' are definately Hasbro's and the Toon epsisodes themselves are pretty certainly not. It seems the logical thing to do then would be to include GoBot characters in this wiki when they appear in TF material. Cover the characters personality and personal backstory in their main bio paragraphs at the top of of the page, as that IS their character. But leave the "Fiction" section for things that happen in TF stories or are atleast referenced there. That fits the way the material is owned AND the interests of the wiki. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 08:20, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Anonymous McBunchanumbers pretty much sums up how I feel about it. The GoBot characters and the GoBots property are Hasbro's now, but the cartoon isn't (and I wonder about the other ancillary stuff - there was a GoBots Magazine that I remember seeing as a kid, it was done by the same people who did the official He-Man Magazine, and that's without getting into the Machine Men stuff). Cover what Hasbro owns and has acknowledged owning, leave out what isn't available. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 08:59, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::ETA: The GoBots Magazine was published by a company that now is owned by Time Warner. So it looks like most, if not all, of the ancillary GoBots media is owned by TW. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 10:02, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::I think the problem hinges on what we mean by official. Do we mean "owned by Hasbro/Tomy" or just "produced under license from Hasbro/Tomy". For TFs those are basically the same thing, for GBs they are two different things. The first would exclude all the toys and media from the classic GoBots, leaving only those appearances under the TFs banner. The second definition would include the toys and media as they were produced under license from Tonka or by Tonka under license from Bandai. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:27, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::Not exactly the same thing - while Hasbro always had the ability to make any derivative work they pleased from the G1 cartoon (hence the Marvel comic quickly adopting the cartoon models, and the various toys along the way - compare to He-Man, where Mattel can't touch any of the Filmation cartoon designs), they only acquired the cartoon itself in the past couple of years. I don't think they even own the actual BW, BM, RID and TFA ''cartoons'' now, and they certainly don't own the 2007 and 2009 movies. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

::::::::::The Tick is a better example. There's the "base license," which includes all the character, setup and the story of the original 12 issues.
::::::::::This was the basis for the cartoon.
::::::::::When FOX went to make the live-action Tick, they licensed the base-license again-- the character, setup and original 12 issues-- and discoverered they did NOT have the rights to the characters that only appeared in the cartoon.
::::::::::This is like that, except that the "base license" is much smaller-- the characters, names, likenesses and (presumably) their cardback bios. (Possibly also a series bible.) No fiction at all.
::::::::::And that's assuming that Hasbro even owns all of that... I thought it was just the Trademarks, but the increased willingness to reference Go-Bots material in recent years, beyond the "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" level would seem to indicate that Hasbro believes they have a right to the characters, not just the trademarks. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 11:20, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::What Derik said, Khajidha. Basically, this wiki covers things officially Transformers. That includes things owned by Hasbro and things made under license from Hasbro. There is no transitive property for things now owned by Hasbro but made under license from the previous owner. Though, Derik, I'll point out that we don't actually KNOW the Ts & Cs of the GoBots license. It's possible that Tonka had even more draconian license terms than Hasbro. The characters, names and property is just about the most conservative case possible. Which, as 'sharecroppers' on Hasbro's farm, is probably the safest position for us to take, barring new information.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

=====The G.I. Joe Counter-Example=====

The thing is, G.I. Joe is also owned by Hasbro. What makes GoBots different from Joe? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:See my above argument starting with "Leaving the above joking around aside." --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:In the future any GoBots appearances are likely to be under a TF banner. They are not likely to carry their own franchise again. GIJoe is likely to continue making many appearances apart from TFs. TF/Joe stories are going to be rare, TF/GB stories are going to be the norm. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:48, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

=====Canon or not-canon=====

So that just means Hasbro owns the characters, names, etc. like they own G.I. Joe. The way I see it, that says nothing of the TF canonicity of those things. TF canon is TF fiction. The characters, names, etc. are not TF fiction. As the characters are used in TF fiction, they get into canon. What we need is a TF profile book with all of them in there. It shouldn't really matter to us who owns what. We cover Spider-Man's comic appearance and Roadbuster's toy because they were in TF fiction. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:35, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Hasbro ownership lays the foundation for POSSIBLE inclusion. It was further stories that pulled the GoBots multiverse into the Transformers multiverse.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::Possible inclusion does not equal actual inclusion - let's say Hasbro made a TF of one of the Air Raiders vehicles - would that warrant adding the Air Raiders as a concept to the Wiki? Does the Allspark Almanac mentioning the existence of the Darkling Lords of Prysmos require us to do a full entry on the Visionaries universe? Right now, we limit our coverage of "Darkling Lords of Prysmos" to "There are these dudes called the Darkling Lords and they live somewhere called Prysmos." Even though we all know WHO they actually are and WHY they matter, it's not immediately relevant to TF fiction. If Leoric or whoever were to show up in a future TF story, we'd do a page for him, but not necessarily for Merklynn or any of the other Visionaries characters, unless they appear in the story too. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 12:22, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Agreed, 100%. However, for reasons sketched out above, I feel that criteria HAS been hit for GoBots. A mere throw-away reference is one thing. A crossover is more, but still not enough. A years-long pattern of name usage, toy creation and eventually official stories that specifically pull the existing GoBots fictional universe into the Transformers multiverse is something else.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:47, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Eh. Even if that's true, I still kind of think it's a waste of time. Write up whatever GoBot characters/items and referenced stories show up in TF fiction, and that's it. I really don't see why we need any more than that, as that's all that is required to be informed about ''Transformers'' fiction, and that's ultimately what we're here for. A full-on GoBot wiki is a nice idea, but... really not our purview. Maybe if folks wanted to start a sister wiki instead? *shrug* --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:58, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Damnit, Jeysie, way to reply while I was replying! Withered Hope brings the GoBots into the TF canon, but it does so by explicitly saying they exist ''outside'' that canon - they're unknown to the Transtechs (whose entire POINT is that they know everything), etc. As it stands, I think the current setup is an adequate compromise. We cover the GoBots characters/concepts that have appeared in TF fiction, but the rest are beyond our purview until such a point as something happens to integrate the two franchises (which I figure will happen, eventually (current most likely scenario in my mind: Someone at IDW introduces GoBotron, full of GoBots, and then promptly blows it up/has Unicron eat it/some other puerile "joke." Second most likely: We finally get a sequel to "Withered Hope" that somehow merges the realities - or retcons that there IS a variant TF universe where the GB stuff happened, we've just never seen it until now.) Or eventually Hasbro just does something akin to the Matt Trakker figure from the Joe line, where it's mentioned in passing that "Oh yeah, MASK was part of the Joe universe all along, we're just now connecting the dots." At that point, I'd be totally cool with it. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 19:02, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

::::There's a certain driving frustration behind this (one which I share,) the Go-Bots aren't ever gonna get a proper wiki, and the cartoon will never be cataloged unless it's done here.
::::...yet you could say the same of G.I. Joe, and no one's suggesting we go back and start adding every G.I. Joe comic, cartoon, etc.
::::The question unique to GoBots is the possibility that they have been, essentially, "folded into" the Transformers property to a degree greater than Inhumanoids (a dead property which TF references, but which remains separate.) But we don't know that that's happened, that it legally ''can'' happen, and what part(s) of GoBots TF Hasbro does own.
::::And even if we knew that... it does ''not'' automatically follow that we'd treat it as part of the TF Franchise for documentary purposes. Or that we wouldn't. There'd have to be a discussion about it.
::::The TF Multiverse (Which you could really call the Hasbro Brands Multiverse, incorporating TF, Joe, Jem, Visionaries etc...) is the 5th largest fictional shared-universe every created. (And it keeps gobbling up other franchises-- G.I. Joe has annexed MASK and Action Man in recent years.) There has to be a sane limit on how far outside the Transformers franchise you 'follow' information... otherwise we end up documenting C.O.P.S. episodes. And of the 4 fictional multiverses larger than TF... TF has crossed over with 2 of them! (Marvel and Star Wars.) And Marvel has crossed over with the other two. (DC and Star Trek.)
::::So... yeah. Knowing our limits is important. (I'm not even opposed to documenting Go-Bots... they're certainly closer to TF than anything else... but I'd want to have a serious discussion of the implications first.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 19:10, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

=====Marvelverse side-discussion redux=====

Hell, given that Marvel ''published'' a SW comic for ten years or so, you could argue that Marvel and SW are part of the SAME multiverse. [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 19:20, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:Not even all Marvel's wholly-owned stories are in the same multiverse (I'm serious - Marvel have multiple multiverses. Thank you Mark Greunwald) - the New Universe in particular is explicitly in a separate multiverse which works by slightly different laws. The "big" Marvel/DC stories (Marvel vs. DC, Amalgam and JLA/Avengers) worked on a similar principle, although some of the smaller (Spider-Man/Batman, etc - along with Image crossovers like Spider-Man/Badrock. Again not joking on that one) crossovers just played the "imagine they lived in the same universe" game. [New Avengers/Transformers was an example of the latter].
:Marvel's most significant overlap on that front is actually with ''Doctor Who'' - besides Death's Head, who met the Seventh Doctor at least three times, there's been several references to characters meeting The Doctor, and a Doctor Who Magazine (published by Marvel UK at the time) comic story which included a multiverse-spanning splash page included the "Spider-Man recognises the Burglar" panel from ''Amazing Fantasy'' #15. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 19:42, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::IIRC, one of the Access minis clarified that sometimes universes (even between multiverses) simply collide and temporarily overlap, or a character crosses from one to another. (Crossover, present-overlap, full-history-overlap, amalgamation.) The first 3 just... ''happen'', naturally, and usually sort themselves out, though it's Access's job to help unsnarl them. (It's a bit like icebergs colliding. In a low-speed collision, there's some mashing-effect on the border, but they'll separate themselves out eventually... more or less.)
::And in fairness to Grunewald... his multiple-multiverses thing seems more like a recognition of the fact "it's harder to cross from some realities than others." Earth 616 does not "border" the DCU in the same way it borders Earth-712 (Squadron Supreme's Earth.) In both Earth-616 and 712, there are Skrulls, a Sorcerer Supreme etc etc etc... the larger metaphysical "structure" of the universe is the same, regardless of the surface expression. But in the DCU (and the New Universe) they are fundamentally different.
::The reality which has emerged is that while a Multiverse may have a certain fixed scope (1,000,000+ Earths in the Marvel Multiverse, 52 in the DC, 15,000,000,000,000,000 in the TF Multiverse) a universe can belong to more than 1 multiverse at a time-- like sitting in the overlap area of a venn diagram. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:06, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::IIRC, the robot (Cyril?) who answered the letters page in the Marvel UK SW comics showed up in Robo-Capers --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] 18:27, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

:::There ARE multiple singularities in the MMverse. Stuff like the Living Tribunal, Otherworld, etc. They're just above it all/extradimensional locations/non-hostile. Galactus and even (most of?) the abstracts '''aren't''' (and the abstracts don't actually interact anyway, they use intrauniveral things called m-bodies to act for them). [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 22:34, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

=====Multiverse side-discussion=====

Buuuuut then we get into multiverse vs. omniverse, which I ''think'' we agreed some time back to avoid for the sanity of the wiki.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:43, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:DC and Marvel both lack an Axiom Nexus for a reason. They desperately want to avoid dealing with this.
:No sane Multiverse has an Axiom Nexus. Hub realities like this are almost ''always'' confined to micro-fiction dealing with the Omniverse... because in a large functioning multiverse, they create incredible long-term headaches.
:I '''have''' to believe there's a sticky-note in Marvel's Editor-in-chief's office saying "Don't let anyone destroy the TVA," because it's their ''only'' multiversal singularity, and they've (somehow) managed to avoid screwing it up-- despite employing writers and editors that don't understand their own Multiverse. '''Example:''' The supervillain behind ''Avengers: Disasembled'' was Steve Rogers. Yes, even on Earth-616, it's just that no one ever figured it out here. ''Oopsie!'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:11, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::Derik, I gotta ask, you being you, how did you arrive at 15 quadrillion universes for Transformers? The highest number we saw was in the DW Armada comic at about 76 million. Even given that they found Optimus in a random universe, the expectation would be that they'd have to search about half of the realities to find him, which puts the figure at around 152 million. Granted, that's not a hard and fast figure, but with numbers that large (and the assumption that each reality was as likely as the next to contain their universe's Optimus Prime), it's likely to be close.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:03, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::{{quote|Do you know that there are more than fifteen quadrillion concurrent universes? It's true!|[[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]], "[[Games of Deception]]"}}
:::I arrived at it by remember a direct and explicit quite by someone who's actually a traveler from outside the Transformers multiverse, and thus in an even better position to know the length and breadth of it than the poor Transtechs, who think there are only 75 million, and are doubtless in for a Rude Surprise someday.
:::I suppose arguably you ''could'' say the Hasbro Brand Megaverse is 15Q, and the TF Multiverse is 75M... but that would require making a delineation between multiverse and megaverse that, while fairly clear in regard to other fictions and whose structures TF mirrors, is not explicitly laid out in TF fiction itself. (A Multiverse is defined by a touchstone that exists in all realities. A M'Kran Crystal, an 11th-dimensional snowflake, a "Cybertron, stable axis of the Multiverse...")
:::And of course, one is never entirely sure... was Bug Bite aware of the existence of negative-polarity universes?
:::(I tend to think that the Transtechs are simply vastly underestimating the size of the multiverse-- Bug Bite seemed to have a fair idea how the TF Multiverse worked, and there was some in-continuity reason why the Transtechs underestimating things make sense I'm currently blanking on. So assume there are 15Q, possibly 30Q universes with Cybertron in it.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:29, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Ah. I knew there was a reason. Though, at the time I read it, I took his quote to mean that there were 15 quadrillion realities in the Omniverse. One point of contention - the trantechs cataloged about 16 million realities. The 76 million figure listed on the web site comes from backtracking from the Armadaverse. And given that there was an episode of GoBots, "Transfer Point", where the guardians traveled to a universe where Guardians were evil and Renegades good, I think Bug Bite is probably well aware of negative polarity universes. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:39, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Ah, '''thank you''', yes, the Transtechs being aware of fewer realities than demonstrably exist in the Armada comic was the reason I think they've got their heads up their afts.
::::::(Splitting... this section is far too long to not be sub-divided.) The number discrepancy between the Techs' catalog and the Armada search is not intentional. Frankly, "Worlds Collide" was so fucking forgettable, well, we forgot that bit of it. Had we remembered, the number stated in WH would have been far, far, far higher than Armada's. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 03:01, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::And 15 quadrillion cannot be the number of universes in the Omniverse, because ''by definition'' the Omniverse contains everything ever, and Heinlen wrote about an Omniverse with 10.3 Octillion universes. The 15 quadrillion can be a Megaverse which Bug Bite has mistaken for the whole of the Omniverse, but not the thing itself. (The Heinlen Omniverse model is the largest AFAIK, and it shows up a lot in fringe fiction dabbling with the Omniverse. It pretty much ''has'' to have been used by Marvel or someone Marvel's crossed over with at some point.)
:::::And good point about the negative universe. Bug Bite may have indeed been referring to a Megaverse with his number-- a "local group" in astronomical terms, which means that number would include realities not part of the TF Multiverse. But that really just means we have no idea how big the TF Multiverse ''is''. If 15Q is the containing set, the minimum set is 75M, and the group who's ''supposed to know what's going on'' only thinks there's 16M.
:::::''*shrug*'' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:00, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::15 Quadrillion ''concurrent'' universes doesn't necessarily preclude 10.3 octillion TOTAL universes. Concurrent just means "existing at the same time." We know that a couple million in the TF multiverse *alone* have come to an end. Of the 10.3 octillion total, how many have ended? How many are yet to come into existence? How many exist for seconds, minutes, moments, and are gone? If Forest is to be believed, the Fallen creates those ''all the fucking time.'' They exist, then they don't, like someone save-scumming a video game. Just the actions of multiversal singularities who exist and act nonlinearly would suggest that there'd be a shitfuckton of these hi-then-die little timestreams. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 22:24, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Why do we care about what Heinlein says, again? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:37, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

====*IS* GoBots Canon for Transformers though, Redux.====

I think my stance is... we document anything officially branded as Transformers toys or fiction, and what characters/concepts are contained within. So unless the GoBots cartoon (or toys, or whole line in general, or whatever) is ever officially stated as being Transformers fiction specifically, we should stick to only documenting what shows up in Transformers fiction. Otherwise, as previous posts indicate, we could start getting really crazy in what we should be documenting, especially since there's still significant amounts of definitely official TF stuff that needs writing up. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:47, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

:lost count:''A years-long pattern of name usage, toy creation and eventually official stories that specifically pull the existing GoBots fictional universe into the Transformers multiverse is something else''
:The thing with "years-long patterns" is that you can never tell when they're over. Looking backwards across 17 years, yeah, there have been an awful lot of GoBots references in TF, and there will probably be more, but the only one of real consequence was Withered Hope and so far that just appears to be a one-off. We always hold off on including material that hasn't come true yet--unconfirmed rumors and stolen toy protos and such--so what is the difference between that and holding off on writing the TFWiki Jeeper Creeper article until after he appears, if he ever actually does?--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:19, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I'm not saying that we should document him because he might appear. My contention is that this pattern, culminating in a story that effectively says that yes, the GoBots universe DOES exist somewhere in the Transformers Multiverse, pulls the GoBots universe retroactively into the Transformers Multiverse. I'm saying it's ALREADY happened. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:52, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Yes, but there's still lots of non-TF things that are technically part of the TF universe that we still don't document in full because not all of their bits are official TF fiction or toys. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:58, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::And I'd say that GoBots is sufficiently different from them that they warrant inclusion. I'm having a hard time understanding what the 'cost' of adding in GoBots would be. I don't buy the camel's nose arguments here - if we decide GoBots are close enough and interesting enough to document, it doesn't force us to then add C.O.P.S. The benefits, on the other hand, are multitude. It brings us more pageviews, allows Transformers creators more access to this material and in general enriches the universe. If it costs us a few (hundred) hours of editorial time, is that bad? We may get new editors or more activity out of our existing ones. (Oh, and Thy, I don't think I'd call seven toys (almost eight, but for the rights) no consequence. Games of Deception was a solidly GoBot story as well.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:13, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::See, this totally ''is'' the "camel's nose" thing you just said it wouldn't be: seven or eight GoBots involved in two or three TF stories is now the rationale for adding at least 90 other characters, 65 episodes, and a feature-length movie that are of no significance whatsoever to the TF mythos. Even if we could magically press a button and have it all appear instantly at no effort--they still just wouldn't belong here. We don't know what "future stories" may ever exist, and longstanding precedent on this wiki has been that we don't base our coverage on future assumptions--even revelations of future facts through unofficial sources when we all know full well it is actually true, and that's certainly not the case here. While it may indeed be cosmically unfair for GoBots to have been so generally forgotten and without a wiki of their own, that really isn't necessarily our problem. I really think it would dilute the spirit of what we've put together here. It is canonically established that Visionaries takes place in the same universe as Animated--and frankly I suspect more people read the book in which that notion appeared than read Withered Hope. I think I can rather confidently predict that any future Visionaries story material would consist of more TF references like that and not an actual freestanding Visionaries revival. Withered Hope says the GoBots stories are being "folded" into TFs, but the Almanac says all the Visionaries stories were already taking place on a normal planet that existed normally in the Animated universe. There is at least as valid a reason to add Abraxas the Sun Imp to this wiki as there is for Zod the Super Gobot.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:41, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
=====Jim and Jeysie engage in a truly pointless argument (sorry, everyone)=====
:::::The cost kinds of boils down to...
:::::This is a Transformers wiki. So far our purview has been limited to only official Transformers-branded merchandise and fiction, and we're hardly lacking for material to write up within that limitation. I see no reason to "dilute" our focus, or open up a can of worms of people with other pet fave universes connected to TF trying to argue for us writing up those franchises too.
:::::Bringing in editors that are only interested in documenting GoBots (or other non-TF) material doesn't do us any favors, and having our existing editors working on it just takes time away from all of the Transformers-focused articles still left unmade/finished.
:::::My thought: If people really, really want to write up GoBots stuff, just start a sister wiki somewhere. Best of both worlds, IMHO. That way it can really document all of the GoBots stuff (whereas if we forever have only a limited GoBots writeup here, that will either end up discouraging anyone who ever wants to start a more comprehensive wiki, or result in pointless duplication), and we can just do what we do with Star Wars/GI Joe and write up only what's relevant to TF here and provide links to the other wiki. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:28, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::OK. I'm seeing two objections. Stop me if I'm unfairly characterizing them.
:::::::1: Time writing GoBots articles could be spent writing up Transformers articles.
:::::::2: Saying 'yes' to GoBots, which is admittedly a boundary case in terms of scope, means that someone may come along and argue about some other universe.
::::::For point one, I think Thanos6 had a very good counter-argument. Most non-document Transformers stuff is pretty esoteric at this point. If you're not a paying member of the club, you won't have access to that sort of fiction. ARE there any other large swaths of fiction not covered? Some of our editors, myself included, have more access to GoBots material than Transformers material. I'm hardly alone in this, though I am the apparent champion. Rosicrucian, DrSpengler, BlackOut, and Khajidha have all expressed a willingness. There are some high-caliber editors here.
::::::For point two, again, I just don't find it compelling. We shouldn't cover material because someone might someday start an argument about something else? Really? I can pretty much guarantee that if we don't do GoBots now we'll have another discussion about it within the next year when more GoBots stuff comes out. (That's not a reason to go forward with it, I'm just pointing out the futility of this argument.)
::::::The visionaries counter-example is kind of a strawman anyway, Thy. The Almanac states that
:::::::1: There is a place called Prysmos
:::::::2: Some group lives there called the Darkling Lords
:::::::3: Speaking like the Angry Archer might be useful for dealing with them
::::::You see how that's pretty different from a story set in their cartoon universe, where they use an existing technology to travel to our realm. As well as 7 or 8 toys. And another ten or so appearances throughout multiple continuities. AND another story featuring explicit GoBots characters. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Re: Point one: There's still a large number of Generation 1 characters who need their Sunbow cartoon fiction sections written up. And there's also missing Animated and Movie-related info out there. And that's just for starters. There's far more than just the esoteric stuff that needs writing up.
::::::::Re: Point two: If we're going to write up GoBots merely because it's a part of the TF universe, then we'd at least need to do the same for GI Joe, Marvel, and Star Wars as well. If anything, Marvel and Star Wars would have priority because they actually factor heavily into officially-branded Transformers merchandise. I find the argument about which franchise will have more official TF fiction than another completely irrelevant as we don't care (in terms of editing) what a franchise does or doesn't do outside of how it's interacted with Transformers.
::::::::Nor is what it will or won't do relevant either, as GI Joe at least already has a large chunk of existing fiction that would make it important enough to worry about regardless of whether it ever gets more TF-oriented fiction.
::::::::I'm not biased against GoBots or anything, I just think we shouldn't be writing up ''anything'' not directly related to officially-branded Transformers stuff. We simply don't need to in order to be successful at our "mission" of providing info on all things TF. Maybe if Hasbro ever has a brain fit and decides to stop making new TF stuff, and we finish writing up all of the existing stuff, we might need to expand our scope to stay viable, but that point isn't any time soon that I'm aware of. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:07, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::Look, I don't want to be a dick about this or anything, but no. You are just flat-out wrong about that. We are not obligated to do anything. We can make exceptions. We can make judgment calls. We could, if we were so inclined, decide that the G.I. Joe Sunbow cartoon belongs in the wiki but the G.I. Joe comic doesn't. We could decide that ALL of G.I. Joe belongs in the wiki but M.A.S.K. (which has been subsumed into G.I. Joe) doesn't. We're not automatons.
:::::::::And that's ASIDE from all the specific arguments I've made above about why GoBots are different. And I've got some new ones, which are hardly relevant given that I'm throwing my weight behind the compromise solution, but ... Withered Hope was NOT a cross-over story. It was a Transformers-branded story, not a co-branded one. That makes a difference, or we could deign it to. You've got a good six solidly Transformers characters, with toys and everything, showing up in a Transformers non-crossover story. And yet, that story is a sequel to, and set in the universe of, the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon. In effect, that pulls in the entirety of the Challenge of the GoBots cartoon in a way that a co-branded story might not.
:::::::::And finally, you state that "I just think we shouldn't be writing up ''anything'' not directly related to officially-branded Transformers stuff." Well, GoBots is clearly 'DIRECTLY related to officially-branded Transformers stuff'. If 'related' is you criteria, then we've already met it.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:34, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::It's less a matter of obligation and more that all of your arguments to include GoBot material here exactly apply to GI Joe, etc. as well. (Sorry, but IMHO none of your arguments make GoBots remotely different in ways that are at all relevant.) Ergo, if we decided to suddenly catalog non-TF GoBots stuff here, it would be completely and utterly arbitrary to not include all non-TF GI Joe, etc. stuff as well. And I think it's really pointless to actually include lots of non-TF stuff like that when it is completely unnecessary to understand the TF stuff that is our main focus (since we already cover non-TF concepts to what is enough to understand their place within TF fiction), and we're not lacking for material to add yet.
::::::::::And, no, GoBot is ''not'' directly related to officially-branded Transformers stuff. The GoBot cartoon is, AFAIK, not officially-branded Transformers fiction. Only some of the GoBot characters are officially branded TF toys. Only some of the GoBot characters and concepts show up in Transformers-branded fiction. And... again, we already cover those toys and concepts that ''do'' show up in a sufficient enough manner to understand their place within Transformers-branded fiction and merchandise.
::::::::::Basically, if the remaining GoBots fiction and toys ever become officially branded as being Transformers, then IMHO it'll therefore be appropriate to include.
::::::::::Otherwise, I really think that the separate sister wiki idea is the way to go for a lot of reasons. It benefits GoBot fans in that they can catalog ''everything'' GoBots, not just what is "Hasbro-OK", and it benefits us in not taking our focus away from Transformers. There's really no downside there. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:38, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::You do realize what the word 'related' means, right? Are you arguing that something needs to be related to officially branded Transformers fiction, or that it needs to be itself branded as part of the Transformers fiction. Those are two different positions. You're stating one position and then, as far as I can tell, arguing for another one. It's making your whole position schizophrenic and hard to decipher.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::I'm stating I feel that it has to actually be a part of Transformers fiction or toys, or directly relevant and ''related'' to it like our out-of-universe articles on concepts regards the fandom and various aspects of creating and purchasing Transformers toys. Sorry if I fail to see what's so utterly difficult to comprehend about that. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:01, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::So, you'd be in favor of removing Megatron's appearance in G.I. Joe #138, because that wasn't branded Transformers?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:04, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Er... last I knew, GI Joe #138 was officially considered a part of the Transformers-branded Generation 2 comic series, so I fail to see how that's relevant.
::::::::::::::But in any case, my point is not at all hard to comprehend unless you're deliberately trying to be contrary. In which case, go talk to someone who hasn't had their patience for such things leeched out by the fandom already. I'm tired of being piled on that way because people can't just read what I wrote instead of putting words in my mouth or playing dumb. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:18, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::[[Image:Marvel GIJoe-138.jpg|thumb|right|150px| I don't see a Transformers logo on this cover]]I'm not playing dumb. I'm looking at your position - that only fiction that is 'officially branded Transformers fiction' and trying to poke holes in it. It's a totally legitimate strategy. So, looking at this picture, and actually reading the entire book, you won't find any Transformers logos or copyright notices. So, I assume you're going to champion its removal from this wiki, right? Or that you're going to modify your position.
:::::::::::::::And, as an aside, if you're tired of people who 'can't just read what [you] wrote', maybe the problem is you and not all the people out there who can't seem to exactly puzzle out the positions you so passionately argue for.
:::::::::::::::(The REALLY sad thing is, this argument is TOTALLY MOOT, since we both voted the SAME WAY on the compromise position.) Exasperatedly yours, [[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 19:26, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::We label it as "G.I. Joe Starring Snake-Eyes, ''Featuring Transformers: Generation 2 #138''". It follows directly from a Transformers story. That set of GI Joe comics, according to our articles, then leads directly into the Generation 2 comic. It seems from our write-up to thus be a direct part of a Transformers-branded storyline. If that's ''not'' the case, then I ''would'' argue it doesn't have a place here.
:::::::::::::::Whereas the GoBots cartoon and the non-TF toys have zip to do with any TF-branded fiction or toys AFAIK. They're not considered a direct part of any TF storyline I know of. I don't have to watch or own any part of it to understand any TF story I know of. It's at best tangentially-related, and quite frankly there's a lot of stuff that's tangentially related to TF if we're going to go down that road, since that brings us right back to GI Joe, Star Wars, Marvel, etc.
:::::::::::::::And, no, I'm pretty sure the problem is people who can't simply read what I wrote and take it at face value. I fail to see what's so difficult about "If it's not a part of or directly related to official Transformers-branded toys or fiction, IMHO it's not our purview." I mean, it's one sentence, it ''looks'' like English, it seems straightforward. If you want to add your own things into it that I didn't say, then you've only got yourself to blame if you're confused, not me. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:47, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Addendum: But yeah, I realize it's moot. Just... hurgh. Tired of almost every attempt to have a debate on something in this fandom being an exercise in frustration. :P --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:10, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::::::::::::: We label it that, but it's not called that. Just LOOK at the cover! It follow three other G.I. Joes issues telling the same story and cameos a Transformer who had appeared in other Transformers stories, though in a different body. But it's not ITSELF a Transformers branded story. So, are you now changing your criteria so that non-transformers branded stories are sometimes ok for inclusion under some circumstances? Because that's NOT what you wrote earlier.
:::::::::::::::: (I'm not trying to insinuate anything ... it was YOU who brought up the idea that you've had many other people before have similar problems with your positions. Maybe the whole world IS crazy and you're the only sane one ... it's possible, I guess.) --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:13, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::My criterion still stands as "a part of ''or directly related to'' official Transformers-branded toys or fiction". I, at least, would classify being a direct part of a Transformers-branded storyline (if it ''is'' in fact such-I have only our write-up to go by) as fitting that criterion. In that, you have to know/read it in order to not be missing part of a Transformers storyline.
:::::::::::::::::(And, well, I've had ''TF fans'' have similar problems. Very seldom had the same problems in other fandoms.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 20:27, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::So, in your view, a non-branded story that leads into an official Transformers-branded storyline meets your criteria of 'directly related.' Well, boom, we're done. Challenge of the GoBots leads into an official Transformers-branded storyline, Withered Hope. So, I'm glad that you've come around to my way of thinking. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 20:30, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::No, in my view, one of two things:
::::::::::::::::::::The GoBots cartoon is in no way a ''direct'' part of the plot of Withered Hope any more than the storyline of the universe Jackpot and Hubcap came from is a direct part of the plot of Gone Too Far, or all of Bulletbike's previous exploits are a direct part of I, Lowtech, or what have you. In contrast, it seems like the GI Joe and Generation 2 comics are actually all one single storyline all directly related. If you don't read the GI Joe comics, you're actually missing part of the plot of the storyline.
::::::::::::::::::::It's kind of like, say, imagine that All Hail Megatron had its first six issues branded as a non-TF story, and the last six branded as Transformers fiction. Even though it ended up branded as two different things, it's all directly related as one storyline. In contrast, while any story with Spiderman or another Marvel character in it obviously thus has that Marvel universe as part its background somehow, only that specific character and the aspects of him that furthered the story are relevant to our view of the fiction, not the entire extra universe he's a part of.
::::::::::::::::::::Or alternatively, if we did argue that anything that leads into a TF storyline even just as background is fair game, that still, again, applies to far more franchises than just GoBots, so there's still nothing special about that franchise that warrants singling out. Sorry, but your attempt at twisting my meaning around still isn't working. So, why not just go ahead and accept what I said at face value and call it a day? It'd certainly make ''my'' day happier. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:14, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::::::Have you actually read Withered Hope or the G.I. Joe story in question, or even watched CotG? CotG has a LOT more to do with Withered Hope than G.I. Joe #138 has to do with the rest of the story that follows. Actually, G.I. Joe #138 is part 4 of a 4 part story that is a prequel to G.I. Joe #139-142, a 4 part co-branded Transformers/G.I.Joe story. Meanwhile, Withered Hope made reference to, and relied on, GoBots characters and technologies extensively. The Astro-Beam, the Dimensional Interfacer, specific character traits and backgrounds. I'm not trying to twist your meaning, I'm trying to parse it. There's a difference. I'm willing to accept that you don't like GoBots as a part of this wiki. I'm just not willing to accept that you have a logical, consistent reason for it that doesn't exclude other parts of the fiction. Then again, if you're not actually familiar with the fiction in question (and you've admitted that you haven't even read the G.I. Joe unbranded story), then that might explain a few things. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:56, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::::Actually, this is totally, utterly pointless. I don't care that your viewpoint is not internally consistent. I'm bowing out of this argument. Post whatever you like in rebuttal, and just assume that I disagree with you.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 21:58, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::::::::Yes, I've read Withered Hope; I didn't see any difference between the GoBots technology vs. pretty much any other technology from TF fiction insofar as understanding enough to get the story. Or how getting a feel for the GoBots characters was any different than getting a feel for Cryotek or Crystal Widow or any of the other TransTech characters that have pretty much only gotten their characterization through the prose stories. I didn't feel like, "Well, this makes zero sense/feels like I'm missing part of the plot unless I've seen the GoBots cartoon."
::::::::::::::::::::::::"Actually, G.I. Joe #138 is part 4 of a 4 part story that is a prequel to G.I. Joe #139-142, a 4 part co-branded Transformers/G.I.Joe story."
::::::::::::::::::::::::So, er. Is that different than something like Infiltration #0?
::::::::::::::::::::::::And, my viewpoint is perfectly consistent, as evidenced by the fact that I'm pretty much ending up finding myself having to repeat myself over and over again because nothing you've said contradicts my point. Again, the only reason you're confused is because you keep inventing your own meanings and whatnot that I didn't actually say instead of paying attention to what I did. I doubt most people are going to find anything remotely confusing about "branded as or directly related to TF fiction/toys" because most people aren't doing mental gymnastics to find a convoluted way that something that's "nice but not absolutely important" background info at best and a cameo at worst is somehow important to know to understand some TF fiction. Sheesh. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 22:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

=====GoBots as a Multiversal Entity=====
How is this different than the G.I. Joe cartoon being in the same continuity as the TF one? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:04, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:I feel like I've answered this. It's different because it's thematically closer to Transformers (civil war between alien robots and all that) AND because we can be about 99% sure that all future GoBots stories will be Transformers stories, whereas we can also be certain that the vast majority of G.I. Joe stories will not be Transformers stories. Also, G.I. Joe is a MUCH larger universe than the GoBots universe. Documenting it would take a lot more work. Maybe if Hasbro stops making new Transformers stories it would be worth it for us to go back and fill out that portion of the Transformers universe, but we haven't come close to hitting that point yet.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 22:13, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::''the only one of real consequence was Withered Hope''
::Which was a direct sequel to the toy-only fiction of the Go-bot 6-pack bios. Also "Games of Deception."
::Also, you're discussing "Go-Bots" like their universe is a multiversal singularity. [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|It's]] [[Bug Bite (SG)|not.]] With Bug Bites running around, it's probably safe to assume that Fracture actually '''is''' Crasher too. Who knows... maybe all the Cy-Kills are Cy-Kill? The Go-Bot diaspora ''does'' seem to have scattered them across all points of the multiverse.
::(It's not like Go-bots was '''ever''' 1 universe. They had comics, right? And storybooks, and audio adventures, and a negative universe...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:16, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::But we already cover all those characters you named, precisely because they had fully-realized appearances in TF fiction. We weren't just assuming them into existence by weight of related characters who had come before.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:41, 20 October 2009 (EDT)

:(de-indenting) The problem is that if you treat Go-bots as ''part'' of the TF Multiverse, it doesn't create the amount of work you're describing. We're not just documenting it's characters, or it's episodes... we're also documenting storybooks, audio adventures, coloring books...
:...plus the need for their own disambiguation, backstory, history... if the Go-Bots cartoon is "really" part of the TF Multiverse, then that means '''its''' description of the negative universe should be valid and binding for Transformers.
:But I don't think the Go-Bots cartoon ''is'' necessarily part of the TF Multiverse. Quite aside from the fact it's owned by someone else... I think it's more likely what we're seeing are "new" Go-Bots universes similar to what's been seen before, but distinct from them. (Similar to how every post-BW G1 story includes Sparks-- because they're new G1 universes that adhere to how the TF Universe works.) So if the Go-Bots negative universe episode says that negative universes are shadow-universes that are 1:1 reflections of positive ones (as in the Xenaverse) that doesn't have to apply for the TF version of the multiverse... because the cartoon is not "canon" in the same way a TF Coloring book is.
:And God '''damn''' it, if we're gonna take our rules for how negative universes work from outside the TF canon, it's gonna be from the goddamn G.I. Joe cartoon, not the goddamn Go-Bots! What are you, a communist? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 22:34, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::I don't think we should pretend that the characters that do appear in TF fiction are blank slates. We could fill in bio type information but then act like the TF story is there first and only fictional appearance. The same might be true of characters that haven't appeared in TF fiction. No matter what, all the GoBot characters are assumed to exist in the TFGoBot continuity (no matter what that continuity looks like), right? Maybe bio-only pages for those guys? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:53, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Ultra Magnus seems not to have existed at all in Marvel US continuity. Presuming that all Go-bots exist in any single reality is... presumptuous. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 23:37, 20 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Actually, for reason above (arrived at in the "Who owns what Vis-à-vis rights" section), I'm with Starfield. I think that this wiki should, at least for the moment, only cover the parts of GoBots that Hasbro owns. That means that, while you're ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about GoBots having its own universe of coloring books and negative universes and whatnot, we could ONLY cover the characters. The fiction sections would have to remain blank, until and unless they show up in licensed Transformers media. (Or, of course, the two multiverses converge more.) This gives us AND our corporate landlord the maximum possible benefit while limiting our scope of work to a mere, I dunno, 90 characters. More than 10% of which have already shown up here. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 10:20, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

====A potential solution====
We were talking about this in WiiGii! (omg hivemind) and while I don't think anyone is opposed to a wiki for GB info, grandfathering it all into THIS wiki seems a bit beyond the stated scope. One suggestion was to do a separate GB wiki, hosted on THIS wiki's servers, as a side project - the GoBots Wiki, presented by TFWiki, if you will. When necessary, they would share information, link back reflexively, share userbase, etc. If the stated event comes to pass where Hasbro or someone says "Yeah, all that GoBot stuff happened somewhere in the TF multiverse" then fuck it, we roll the whole thing back in. Given how unlikely that seems to be as per the conversations above, a dedicated GB wiki run as an official side-project of TFWiki is probably the best outcome I can think of. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 11:24, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

:I don't know how much work it'd be to set up and run (less than ours, due to the limited scope, but certainly some work) but I do like the idea on the whole and would definately contribute to such a wiki should it be born. (ZacWilliam, who really needs to log back in one of these days)--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 11:31, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::I could get behind that as a compromise.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::If you guys created a separate GoBots wiki, I would gleefully contribute as much as I contribute here. Wouldn't be too hard, either, since a good chunk of the episodes are available online and Counter X has scans of most of the really hard to find comics from the US and the UK. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:02, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I'd be for it as well. We'd need an inter-wiki linking schema-- "gobots:" and "transformers:" seem dangerous-- there's gonna be articles called "Transformers: Subtitle", which makes that... um... potentially fraught. How about "w:gb:" vs. "w:tf:"? That mirrors the interwiki linkign schema used by Wikia to cross-link their sites, and is nicely distinct. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:30, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Honestly, I was about to suggest that myself, but I've been highly distracted as of late. Seems like the best solution to me... plus, it's a perfect excuse to haul out the GoBots bin and do extensive photoshoots of those. Of course, the big question... what do we name the band? GBWIKI to keep with TFWIKI's theme? That's where I'm leaning. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 12:38, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::Hrm... the toyline was just "GoBots," but the cartoon was "Challenge of the GoBots"... ''ah!'' But there were GoBot ancillary materials (like storybooks) not branded COTG, but simply "GoBots."
::There is no clear delineation that corresponds to the portion of the brand Hasbro may own. Calling it "Challenge..." would implicitly limit it to the cartoon and exclude other things. "GoBots" is probaby what we want to hit. So yeah-- "GBWiki" since the reason we're "TF" instead of "Transformers" is to avoid Hasbro's trademark-- and they '''do''' own the trademark on "GoBots." -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:43, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I could likely whip up a take on the GoBots logo for it when I get home.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:49, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::I am particularly thinking: "GOBOTS - MIGHTY ROBOTS, MIGHTY WIKI" as the tagline.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:56, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::"Challenge of the GoBoxes!" Naahh, of course not. I just wanted to say it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:07, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::On that note, it wouldn't be hard at all to throw together a version of the Go Boxes using the GB logo's "GO" instead of our usual Prime-trailer-inspired one. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:15, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Heheheheheheheheh. -[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 13:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Some surely practical suggestions:
::::*'''Interwiki schema:''' <nowiki>[[w:gb:Crasher]] / [[w:tf:Crasher (G1)]]</nowiki>
::::*'''site url:''' http://gb.tfwiki.net (avoiding "Gobots" in the url since it's trademarked)
::::*'''Example article url:''' http://gb.tfwiki.net/w3/index.php?title=Crasher
::::*'''.htaccess cleared url:''' http://gb.tfwiki.net/wiki/Crasher
::::"w3" is arbitrary... sub-domains won't actually overlap the file-structure of the existing wiki. (But I feel like installing multiple wikis on one db-server might require a prefix.) Sub-domain feels like a good idea-- both because it's free, and because it enforces our co-branding. Anyway, I'm throwing those parameters out.
::::There '''seems''' to be consensus on this, but if we genuinely intend to spin off another wiki, I feel like there should probably be a formal community vote on the matter. You know-- since TFWiki ''isn't'' run by a cabal of #wiggii members?
::::Say... Measure passage requires 50% of voting editors and 2/3 of voting administrators voting "yea"-- with at least 1/3 of all administrators participating in the vote? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:11, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::How many admins to we have?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::I count nine. How many are actually active right now is another matter. Also, we need to do this. GoBots won't get a wiki at all otherwise. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:37, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::Yeah, it'd require at least 3. Which is reasonable, given that TFWiki has some fairly inactive admins. (In a proper 'security council' scenario you'd want 6 of 9 admins participating for any measure to pass. 3 of 9 with at least 2 yea just ensures minimal oversight.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:40, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::::Hopefully, we won't need a "security council" anytime soon. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 13:44, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::We don't have a lot of big votes like this one. AFAIK, the move from Wiki and re-licencing have been it.
:::::::::The admin-requirement really only exists to keep a bunch of editors from proposing something silly/crazy on a dead weekend and declaring it passed. (Not that the community would go along with it, but having a bare-minimum administrator rubberstamp requirement heads off potential mischief.) At least, this was the arbitrary requirement I came up with when we passed the relicensing vote, since I'm '''not''' an admin and I was the one proposing it, it seemed important as a means to establish the legitimacy of the vote. (We only got 3 admin voting for that... it was in the middle of convention season and half our people were gone.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::::'''Is''' this what we think we want to do? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:54, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Those links link to wikia. Odd. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:00, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::::Yes, very odd. KILL THEM NOW. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 14:06, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
On an interwiki schema... why not just <nowiki>[[tfwiki:*]] and [[gbwiki;*]]</nowiki>? It has the advantage of simplicity. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 13:48, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Yeah, to me this seems the easiest to remember.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 13:55, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::''*shrug*'' Forward-compatability? Site names are fine for everything we link to now, but a future sister-site could overlap existing article names. Frankly, my real motivation is that w:subject: names mean I could type "w:starwars:" instead of constantly misspelling "wookieepedia:" (I always forget the double-e.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::And yeah, I think "w:name:" is currently set to link to wikia. Hrm. "ss:subject:"? (Sister-site?) "p:subject:"? (partner.)
::Wikipedia has a buttload of arbitrary prefixes for interwiki linking. A single consistent schema seems better. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:12, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Actually, this would seem to be a good opportunity to kill all the wikia interwiki links (except for the link-exchange deal with Wookieepedia). If a wikia page must be linked to, let it be an external (nofollow) link.
:::And the proposed gbwiki would be a sister/subproject, not a true external wiki like <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:*]]</nowiki> (and note the lack of a secondary prefix there). - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] 15:04, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Regards an interwiki schema, why not just "h" for "Hasbro"? h:tf: and h:gb: And I second killing all of the wikia links except for Wookieepedia. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:41, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

Not to be a bummer,I love the idea of a GoBot sister wiki, sounds like a lot of fun creating and reading, but an important point has been raised in the Allspark discussion of this: Can we afford it? Our Wiki apparently dosen't always quite pay for itself ad-wise and is basically kept afloat by Walky. Yes, a GoBot wiki would be smaller (and hopefully cheaper) but it also would likely be less popular a draw for adds. (GBs being much less mainstream than TFs now are). Again, it just seemed like a point that should be raised before we dive into the cool project... --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:28, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Well, I offered to make a donation in that thread. Walky said that this wiki costs around $160 a month to maintain, with around $130 being covered by the ads, with those numbers fluctuating every month, obviously. A GoBots wiki would be only a fraction of the size of thise wiki, even when 100% completed in every way imaginable. With ads factored in, about how much do you think we'd need a month to cover the remainder? I could throw in $10 to $20 every month or thereabouts, and if a handful of people sporadically felt the urge to donate equal or less, you think we'd be covered or at least took the brunt of the financial burden off of Walky's shoulders?
:If we CAN do a GoBots wiki, it'd be nice if money wasn't what kept us from making it happen. But hey, I understand that that's the way the world goes 'round and all. Just sayin' that if a fraction of us skipped McDonald's once a month and gave that fiver to the wiki, we might be more or less financially secure. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 15:04, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:Of course, we could just run the theoretical Gobots wiki on the same server, with the same ad boxes. Unless somehow we got a MASSIVE spike in traffic from Gobots fans that aren't Transformers fans (which I am somehow not seeing), it would probably work out to be exactly the same. (Not to discourage anyone from helping the wiki financially. You can do that also and it would help regardless. I'm just sayin'.) --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 16:06, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
::This is good news. This would be ideal, if possible.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 16:14, 21 October 2009 (EDT)
:::What about a donation drive? We could have a meter on the frontpage, and after the donations reach an amount that could keep the wiki afloat for a while, we could launch GBWiki. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 16:17, 21 October 2009 (EDT)

====Opposition====
Do we have the time or "manpower" for this? This wiki still needs a lot of work. For example, The Unicron Trilogy articles (especially Armada Mini-Cons) and the Beast Wars/Machines are more or less still a mess, and not up to the standards of more recent articles or more frequently-updated articles. I think we should work on getting these pretty important eras of '''Transformers''' up to scratch before our more frequent contributors divert (some) of their attention and free time to GoBots. And yes, I have recently put work into updating Armada and Beast Wars articles where possible, since our other members are most ably handling everything else. And no, I'm not suggesting the wiki should be work, I just think we should get this into order before we start doing something else. Maybe it's my probable Aspergers talking. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:50, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:You're assuming that people who would be working on this have any real knowledge or familiarity with UT materials. Someone may absolutely hate Armada/Energon/Cybertron and have no material to add there, but have much material to add to GoBots. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:17, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::From what I've seen, a good number of the people in this discussion or have discussed it elsewhere are those who have no problem with the UT or actually like it. But there's also Beast Wars - if everybody here likes BW, why are the articles so bad? :p I mean, if I was a newcomer to Transformers (or a returning fan because of the movies), I'd be pretty dissapointed if I came here looking for information about this "Beast Wars" other fans are always raving about. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:25, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::At one point finishing all the BW or G1/RiD articles seemed like a pipe dream. Effort over time did it.
:::Frankly, I think the potential for such a split to draw in new editors outweighs the negatives of potentially splitting people's attention. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:29, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Yeah, maybe I'm worrying over nothing, and of course, I can't make people do things they don't feel like doing. Still, concerns are concerns. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:37, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Wasn't trying to say that any particular person hated UT or BW, just that the assumption that the editors who would be working on GB would be drawn away from other parts is not necessarily true. Some people may become more active on mainstream TF articles even while working on GB articles. Something different often energizes people, and that energy can carry over to other things.
::::::Yeah, you can't force people to work on articles that don't interest them. If the spirit moves them to work on BW and UT they will. Adding a GoBot "section"/sister-wik wouldn't stop anything from happening (especially if it isn't happening to begin with). And it might just draw in new contributers or set someone off on a wiki-fying binge that gets a bunch of TF stuff done too. (ZacWilliam, logged out again, dumb laptop)--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.72.27|76.28.72.27]] 08:52, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::::People will work on what interests them. People doing productive work in one area will naturally discover other areas to focus on. Broadening our scope thusly will most likely bring in new editors, or at least reinvigorate old ones. Frankly, the whole argument that we shouldn't allow our editors to work on what they want in the hopes that they work on what someone else wants them to do is pretty flawed. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:18, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::Oh come on, this is like not letting a kid eat dessert until he's finished his broccoli. "You want GoBots? Well you can't have em until you finish your Unicron Trilogy!" "But I haaaaate the Unicrooon Trilogyyyyy!" "STOP WHINING!" --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:34, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
::Hell, the original ''The Transformers'' cartoon episodes still need a crapton of work (basically, if the Errors sections aren't several screens long, then we aren't doing our job!) Still, I don't see why any of that should stop us. Manpower may not be infinite, but it's not fixed, either; a wider net of subject area will likely attract a few more editors. And people who would work on UT stuff will probably do it anyway sooner or later, even if they do get distracted by GoBots for a while. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:52, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
:::You'll ALL see once I complete these sections by myself and spend hundreds of dollars importing DVD sets* for shows that I don't like YOU'LL ALL SEE!
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>This is a lie. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:59, 24 October 2009 (EDT)

====The Vote====
Well, um, let's do this thing.

* Jim Sorenson, votes '''aye'''.
* I'm in '''support''' of this.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:27, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''Aye''' - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]]
* I support this. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:29, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''YES'''. I'm all for it. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 12:31, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* Go for '''yes''', if there are no major problems. --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 12:51, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* Oh '''hell yes'''. A GoBot wiki sounds awesome, and how much time/manpower can that really take? There's a really tiny amount of GB stuff compared to TF, after all. -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:53, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
*Definatly a '''Yes''', if we don't do it who will? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:19, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''Aye'''. This place is volunteer-based, let people work on what they want. --[[User:Cattleprod|Cattleprod]]
* '''Why the hell not?''' [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 15:07, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* I say '''Go''' for GoBots. - [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 15:09, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* [[User:Derik]] votes to '''affirm''' the proposed extension. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:18, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* Support. [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 15:36, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''Sure''', why the heck not? I doubt I'll have much hand in it, but it's a good thing to have, and it would definitely be unique! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 15:42, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* Another '''yes''' here. --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 16:10, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* Now that it seems to be its own entity, I am now in '''support''' of this addition. --[[User:Bluestreak7|Bluestreak7]] 16:35, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''Oui.''' --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] 17:51, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''Yes'''. Best of all worlds for everyone, IMHO. (Although I personally won't end up contributing to it.) --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 18:42, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
*'''Why the hell not.''' -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 20:36, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
* A GoBots wiki? '''Yeeeeeess'''. (have you ever noticed how people always try to transcribe BW Megatron's "Yes" with a lot of Ss? But it's not the 'S' that he stretches; it's the short 'E' sound. "Yesssssssssssssss" would be like a snake hissing. I suppose it's in reaction to the English rule that turns two consecutive Es into a long E sound. "Yees!" ) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 20:58, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
**That's technically a long "i" sound. '''Sure''' to whatever we're voting for! [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:21, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
* '''Fo' shizzle'''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:21, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
*'''Aye me hearties!''' [[User:Thanos6|Thanos6]] 06:31, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*'''Yep''' (and M.A.S.K. has been subsumed into GI Joe somebody said? Since when?) [[User:Drmick|Drmick]] 13:31, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
**Matt Trakker got a Joe toy this year and the bio card featured the revelation that VENOM was a sub-unit of COBRA and that MASK works for GI Joe. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:35, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*'''Heck yes.''' (Also, MASK sucked) --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 13:54, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*'''Yes.''' (If MASK is part of G.I. Joe, we'll just have to eventually make another sister wiki for G.I.Joe, and then that wiki can have its own sister wiki for MASK. It'll be Tfwiki's cousin wiki. lol.)--[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 14:03, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
**G. I. Joe has a Wiki, it's just not well maintained.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 15:26, 23 October 2009 (EDT)
*Well, if there's that many people who want to work on the thing, '''Yes''' for me.--[[User:MCRG Again|MCRG Again]] 15:26, 23 October 2009 (EDT)

====Results====
OK, I'm calling this thing. With 27 votes for yes and 0 votes for no, including votes from four admins, there is clearly overwhelming (unanimous, in fact) support for this endeavor. Awesome. Technical-minded folks, what are the next steps from here?

(Just for fun, let's see ... 88K! If this discussion were an article, it'd be the 16th largest on the site, so it's actually longer than 99.8% of the content we've produced.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:43, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
:Sweet. And, we really probably should archive this whole discussion as a "topic" thingy, I think... --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 19:23, 24 October 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah: this discussion is giving insane length warnings. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 09:20, 25 October 2009 (EDT)

Seriously, what are the next steps we need to take? --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 13:30, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
:I believe it waits on Scout and McFly having the time to set up the changes on our server. (Which, since I think that might involve Squid configuration might take awhile.)
:If people want to get started I suppose I ''could'' set up a placeholder mediawiki install on my domain, and when GBWiki-proper was ready I'd just hand them a database backup. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:57, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
::Would you be willing? I think keeping the momentum going while enthusiasm is high is a good idea. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:30, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
:::Sure. I'll set it up this evening. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:54, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
::::Per request, a temporary home while TFwiki's hosts get their ducks in a line. [http://gbwiki.covertutopia.com/ gbwiki.covertutopia.com/] -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:48, 26 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::So...um...we can get started, then? On the "early draft" stuff? I see no one's made any changes since you put that up, so I'm hesitent, that's all. Can I start on articles there now? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 13:38, 11 January 2010 (EST)
::::::I get the feeling from the edit summaries that folks can get started, it's just that everyone's been too busy/waiting for someone else to do it first. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 15:14, 11 January 2010 (EST)

====Getting Under Way====

Random thoughts: 1) Do we know for sure the "tech folk" (whoever they are) have seen this discussion, vote and result and are working on it, or planning to? I only ask cause I'm not sure who exactly "they" are and I don't remember seeing anyone saying anything like "we're on it". 2)Once things are definately underway, shound there not be an announcement or link on this side of the wiki somehere letting folks know about the new section/sister open for editting? And if yes, where would be good? --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 08:05, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
:I think it's a good idea, once we finalize some of the real basic stuff over on GBWiki's end. As it stands, we don't even really have a skeleton over there - there's a "list of Go-Bots episodes" page and that's about it. I think we need to get at least a rudimentary framework hung up - both in the sense of A: at least some stub articles for major characters and stories and a general "franchise overview" page to direct people around the site and B: getting all our formatting templates put into motion (character appearance boxes, episode navigation, etc.) At this point, I wouldn't really want to announce it on the front page because there isn't anything there to look at. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 09:35, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
::Why does gb.tfwiki.net redirect to transformers wikia? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:32, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm guessing it's an artifact of when tfwiki.net originally pointed to Wikia. ''Any'' subdomain you type in other than www goes to Wikia right now, apparently.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 12:35, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
::::It's fixed! --[[Special:Contributions/67.149.197.71|67.149.197.71]] 12:56, 28 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Realize that I'm asking this out of a profound ignorance as to how the wiki "mechanically" works, but I assume that it just redirects to us now right, still not to edit-able GoBot-pages-to-be?--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 13:04, 28 October 2009 (EDT)

:::::Hmm, now all subdomains lead to tfwiki.net, but they're returning valid pages rather than redirecting to the "real" URL. If people link to "blah.tfwiki.net" then the search engines will start indexing the whole site a second time under that domain. The other subdomains should redirect as www.tfwiki.net does. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 00:26, 14 November 2009 (EST)

::::::[http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aen.tfwiki.net] [http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aww.tfwiki.net] See? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:30, 11 January 2010 (EST)

==2010==
===Executive Summary===
''There is no GoBots sister wiki.''

====What happened?====
http://gbwiki.covertutopia.com/wiki/Main_Page
:"GoBots Wiki has a problem

:Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties.
:Try waiting a few minutes and reloading.

:(Can't contact the database server: Access denied for user 'emopanda'@'localhost' (using password: YES) (localhost))"

I was slagging ecstatic to see that there was going to be a Go-Bots wiki, because I knew next to nothing about 'em and wanted to learn about them. This is just disheartening. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] 19:21, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
:It's Derik's server, so check with him, though ISTR there hadn't been much info added to the GoBots wiki when it was up. The original intention was to run it on the same server as TFwiki - don't know what happened (or didn't happen) there. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 20:17, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
::My impression was that Derik's was only set up as a stop gap till the wiki got the one everyone voted for up. That never happened. I got the impression that though the community voted a big yes for it, the powers that be weren't that into it so the vote ammounted to nothing. Which is a shame cause I was really excited to see it happen. :P --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 20:48, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
:::The powers that be are busy getting married next month. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 20:53, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
::::It was voted "yes" a year ago. I mean no offence meant, but that's a long time to get a ball rolling. With no appreciable news or announcements in that year I think assuming the big "yes" vote amounted to nothing is kinda understandable. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 21:01, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::General lack of interest. I suspect the number of people who can recite chapter-and-verse of every single Gobots episode, the way we here do for TFs, is very small. Of that small group, fewer still knew this project existed. "It might be cool" works for a half-hour download, not for creating an entire website devoted to about 70 hours of programming and 200 toys when you aren't already ''really'' into it. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:40, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::Yeah, I was interested at the time because I thought doing an episode guide might be fun. But Counter-X came out with one recently and has about the most thorough collection of info on GoBots toys, merchandise and media; basically everything that would be up on a GoBots wiki, anyway. So I sorta lost my enthusiasm. --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] 22:47, 27 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::For me, and I have to imagine some others given the widespread enthusiasm in the vote above, it has nothing to do with loss of enthusaism or lack of interest at all, but everything to do with no place to start. The vote was for a "seperate but linked" wiki meaning not just writing up gobot stuff and posting it here but waiting for the apropriate seperate framework to be given. If the OK was given to add Gobots just to our current wiki I'd start constructing GoBot articles and Character pages right away. Without it there's nothing for a potential poster to do but wait on the ptb to start things rolling. I am definately still enthusiastic about the idea and would definately still contibute if it ever comes to pass. (As a side note, the whole GoBotron is Primus thing from the Allspark Almanac 2 makes me want to add this stuff more than ever.) --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 03:10, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::I admit that I don't know all that much about GoBots, but by god I would learn as much as I could just so I could help contribute to a GoBots wiki. Without a wiki like this there really isn't any one place to find out everything about GoBots, without having to shell out for a book that probably doesn't have a very wide distribution. -- [[User:Semysane|Semysane]] 03:16, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::The [http://counter-x.net/gobots/index.html Counter-X GoBots page] that Spengler mentioned is quite detailed. I spent some time a while ago reading though some of the pages, and it kinda made me wish the show was out on DVD. I don't think it ever screened here. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 03:28, 28 September 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::As good as Counter-X is, it doesn't have the integration of information that we have here. For example, toy and cartoon data are on separate pages. Also, having multiple contributors means that things each individual is missing can still be covered if other individuals have access to them. Just because there is a decent Go-Bots site doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to make our own, it just means that we should try to make ours even better.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:39, 28 September 2010 (EDT)

==2011==
===Executive Summary===
''Newbie brings up the idea again.''

====Cartoon?====
{{note|This conversation originally took place on the [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)]] page.}}

Why didn't we add info on Cy-Kill's appearances in the cartoon?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.164.136|71.255.164.136]] 01:52, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
: We have already added info on all of Cy-Kill's appearances in the Transformers cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:00, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:Where? I only see his appearance in the timelines comic, not the gobots or transformers cartoon.
::I refer you to what I just said. This is a Transformers wiki, not a Gobots wiki. We do not catalog Gobots fiction, only Transformers fiction. If Cy-Kill shows up in Transformers stuff, we catalog that. And we have. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:23, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::But Gobots and Transformers were both created by Hasbro, and Gobots are related to Transformers somehow. If you watched the documentuary Triple Changer, then you'd see that Gobots inspired Transformers. So basically, more info belongs here.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.164.136|71.255.164.136]] 15:47, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::Read [[GoBots#Pre-GoBots]] and get back to me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:23, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::They are CURRENTLY in the same company.[[Special:Contributions/71.255.164.136|71.255.164.136]] 16:28, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::::No they aren't. Hasbro doesn't own all of Go-Bots. They merely bought Tonka. That doesn't mean they own all of the intellectual property involved. Rival toy company Bandai still owns the toys and Hanna-Barbara still owns the cartoon. At best, Hasbro owns some names. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:45, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::::Not to agree with this guy per say, but I just want to remind folks: 1) We did hold a vote of users, who at the time overwhelmingly approved that they wanted to do a separate-but-linked Go-Bots wiki as a sister thing under the TFwiki.net banner. And 2) Since that vote the Allspark Almanac officially established that the much interlinked franchise is a part of the TF Multiverse (if there was any doubt) and MORE that GoBotron is their universes body of Primus and the Go-Bots are their universes TFs. Soooo... Why keep them out? It's not like they'd even add THAT much. They've had nothing to talk about that's not here already in 20 years, and were fairly small then. I really can't think of a valid reason to ignore the retcon that they are and have always been TFs. I kinda feel they belong here. They didn't always, but now? Yes.--[[Special:Contributions/99.103.104.77|99.103.104.77]] 17:04, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::::::The AllSpark Almanac may claim that GoBots are fictionally linked to TFs, but that only makes that statement canonical, it doesn't make a cartoon that is not licensed fiction and does not belong to Hasbro canonical and Wiki-worthy. As for the GoBots Wiki... it was attempted, but nothing really came of it. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:17, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::::::G.I. Joe and Jem are also in the Transformers multiverse. Probably also Spider-Man and Avengers. The AllSpark Almanac connects like a dozen series to the Transformers multiverse. WE ARE NOT ADDING ALL OF THOSE SERIES TO THE TRANSFORMERS WIKI. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 17:19, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::It linked a lot of series Hasbro has ZERO rights to as well. So um... yeah. --[[Special:Contributions/71.70.225.1|71.70.225.1]] 19:18, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::I remember being told that the GoBots wiki still had some technical details to work out before it was really ready to go live and then never heard anything more. Was it ever actually open for general editing? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 18:22, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::Derik had one set up on his own site (before it died) as a temporary measure while one got sorted out here. A GoBots wiki doesn't absolutely have to be hosted in the same place as TFWiki. If there's sufficient interest, one could be set up elsewhere. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:05, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::Well, 1) the retcon did more than place GoBots in the TF multiverse. It said they ARE Transformers and Primus IS Gobotron. That's different in my opinion than a crossover with Spidey or JEM. It's an apotheosis., which makes them and all about them valid material for us retroactively imo. But hey, I'm not gonna argue with the powers that be if they disagree. 2) Yeah, the GoBot sister wiki wasn't really tried as far as I've heard. It was voted for. Approved. And there was then never any movement to make it as far as I ever saw here. Derik was cool enough to make a placeholder site, but nothing ever moved here. Not a criticism, just saying If it had started I would have, and totally still would, contribute. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:37, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
::::::::::::If AllSpark Almanac claimed Pandora was another body of Primus, that wouldn't mean we'd start putting Avatar stuff in the wiki. The claim is canonical, but the fiction isn't. Simple as that. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 19:42, 8 October 2011 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::I completely disagree. But I also don't care enough to argue the point. So... Meh, I guess. I'd rather the discussion moved to the voted for sister wiki. Cool idea I would have loved to have happened. --[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 19:53, 8 October 2011 (EDT)

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive49#Gobots_on_the_wiki..._again --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:28, 9 October 2011 (EDT)

==2012==
===Executive Summary===
''More of the same.''

==== Integration ====

Okay since this discussion shut down and the wiki seems to be dead I thought I'd bring this up. Via the Club Fiction and the stuff seen in the Almanac, can we do an integration of the GoBots and Go-Bots based on them canonically having Universal Streams and being Transforming Robots? (I suppose this would also cover Robotix)
:No. There are almost no GoBots characters, no GoBots fiction before about 2006, and no Robotix characters or fiction whatsoever, to have ever been published under the appropriate brands required for inclusion here. The very small amount of material appropriate for inclusion is here already. The TFs canonically exist within some version of the Marvel universe, and yet we don't include every single other Marvel character on this wiki. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:45, 12 January 2012 (EST)
:: Ah, but that's my point, if the GoBots and Bo-Bots have been retroactively canonized as altverse Transformers, does that not make them under the proper brand? (Unlike , let's say Captain America, who's never been revealed to be a Transfomers within the Marvel Comics Continuity) This isn't like the Sunbowverse, where non-TF elements are ignored unless pertinent to TF, this is a whole new kit n caboodle which has been declared to be TF under a different name. Just my five cents, since it seems this discussion just sorta petered out.
::: Discussion has petered out because we've explained a bojillion times why it's not going to happen. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:28, 13 January 2012 (EST)
::::I ask again about the sister GoBots wiki seperate but connected to ours that people voted an overewhelming yes for doing way back when but then no one ever it set up. People seemed very interested in doing that when it was voted for during the first time this came up. People were still interested in working on it last time this came up. Just saying'.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 10:45, 13 January 2012 (EST)
:::::It is impossible to retroactively brand something. Hell, there are parts of Darth Vader that actually have been declared and marketed as a TF of some kind, but his prior 30 years of personification beyond those very limited branded appearances do not count and do not appear. It is exactly the same with name-dropping Robotix and then pretending it counted.
:::::At this point I am comfortable determining that nobody gives a shit about GoBots beyond the context of their minimal TF crossovers. It's been like 2 years since the vote and nothing has been done, and no one seems to be trying it anywhere else on the entire Internet either. The Almanac cannot create licenses retroactively, it can just say things and we can go on rightfully ignoring them. It's 2012 and wiki software is easily available - if anyone cared it would have been done. Sorry if I come off too strong, it's just that the non-licensed-hood of every pre-2006 scrap of GoBots fiction and characterization is incredibly open and shut and I really don't see why people keep coming here to try to wish that away. --Thy, not logged in
:::::::Thy, the vote was to start it on our serves as a linked but equal thing and then our folks would fill it once it existed. Every time this comes up as it has multiple times. Folks say that they'd loved to edit and add to it as a companion to ours if it existed. But no one has set it up for them to do it. Basically the interest is there in the community whomedit the wiki but not in the folks who administer the wiki, yes? That seems to be what I see.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206|76.28.76.206]] 12:03, 13 January 2012 (EST)
::::::::Gotta agree with the anon here. When the GoBots wiki was to be set up I was told that there were some problems to be worked out with the underlying programming and we would be told when it was ready. The next thing I knew, it was no longer accessible at all. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:04, 13 January 2012 (EST)

==June, 2015==
===Executive Summary===
''Things heat up, as [[Ask Vector Prime]] starts to generously include information regarding GoBots''

==== GoBots articles ====

Is there some reason why we're not having full coverage of the GoBots characters' exploits in GoBots fiction? It seems kind of silly to acknowledge their existence in Transformers media and then... not really provide relevant information. It's not really like there's any cohesive GoBots site with all information in one spot, you know? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 03:43, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:There is such a site, and its existence has been cited in the past here as one of multiple valid reasons why adding GoBots to this wiki has never gotten off the ground. http://counter-x.net/gobots/ --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:34, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::As good as that site is, it doesn't go into nearly as much detail about its topic as we do about ours. Also, it is maintained by a much more limited set of editors (maybe even just one?). Our larger editor base could bring more eyes and viewpoints to the material. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:07, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:It's been discussed in the past with some trepidation, and the idea of a "sister wiki" for GoBots content was floated, but nobody really seemed into the idea and we haven't talked about it since. At this point, though, with more and more GoBots stuff working its way into TF fiction, along with the complete release of the GoBots cartoon on DVD, perhaps it's time to talk about giving the GoBots show and characters their full and proper due on TFWiki again. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 05:29, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::I don't actually know all that much about the GoBots *coughthatswhyweneedinformativearticlescough*, but I'd be more than willing to help with article maintenance and setup if we ever decide to go ahead with it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 05:46, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::As I've said before, when the GoBots wiki was proposed I was told that there were technical issues to be taken care of before it could be opened for editing and that the community would be told when it was ready. The next I heard about it was that it was being shut down as not having attracted interested editors. I am still fully supportive of either option, a sister wiki or integration. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:12, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::A sister wiki seems like an weird excuse to overcomplicate things. Is there really any reason to not have all the information in one spot? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 07:26, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::At the risk of overcomplicating things further, since we'd be including Go-Bots because the characters were retroactively made into alternate universe Cybertronians/Transformers, would we also provide complete coverage of [[Robotix]] since it was retroactively altered the same way? --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 07:59, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::I'd say no, because we wouldn't be covering GoBots specifically because they were retconned to be alt-universe TFs, we'd be covering them because involvement of their universe and characters has become a recurring thing, and the two franchise have always been paired in some capacity or another. Maybe when Robotix actually does something that ''matters'' and isn't just a winky in-joke; otherwise covering them would amount to covering something like Jem or Inhumanoids in full. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 08:04, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

:::::: Oh god please no to Robotix.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 09:00, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

:::::::For the sake of argument: TFWiki don't have complete coverage of G.I. Joe, despite it's many interactions with Transformers. TFWiki has relevant articles, but not complete coverage. Why do so for GoBots? --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] ([[User talk:Crockalley|talk]]) 08:10, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Can you REALLY not see a difference between G.I.Joe, Jem, Inhumanoids, etc and GoBots and Robotix? ''Really''? GoBots and Robotix have both been said to be counterparts of the Transformers. Joe, Jem, and the Inhumanoids haven't. Covering GoBots and Robotix fiction IS covering TF fiction, covering Joe, Jem, and Inhumanoids fiction is not. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:15, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::For the love of God, NO. We already feature all the GoBots characters and stories that were published under the TF brand label, just like the relevant Avengers and G.I.Joes. We don't pull in all of the everythings that all of their colleagues ever did in unrelated, non-Transformers stories. It will never belong here. Adding 80 characters and 100 hours of programming? No. As someone said in one of the prior iterations of this, if Vector Prime said that Pandora was a transdimensional embodiment of Cybertron and Eywa was its Vector Sigma portal, we wouldn't fill this wiki with every character and animal from Avatar. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 08:26, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::Avatar isn't a property owned by Hasbro nor something that's been constantly involved in the Transformers multiverse, so I'm not seeing the comparison. It also has its own dedicated fanbase and resources, which isn't really something you can say for GoBots; its presence in real life almost wholly overlaps Transformers. (It'd be around 26 hours, to be accurate.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:46, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::And, ultimately, why does it matter that much if we make one exception for this? It's not going to result in a full-blown biography of Spider-Man from Earth-616 (which exists elsewhere in plenty of places) or full coverage on G.I. Joe (which has its own fanbase that can make a resource if they want to). We're talking about a small subset of articles that you aren't required to work on. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:54, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::Why wouldn't it result in a full bio of Spiderman? The distinction between the two offtopic properties is arbitrary and insignificant. If you want to talk about ownership, Hasbro owns Visionaries and we know they canonically exist in the Animated galaxy. Shall we bring in articles on Leoric and Heskidorr and the Pig Imp? If you break down the rule of "TF branded material only," then the only thing keeping all the Inhumanoids out is personal preference and "oh, come on!"-ing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:20, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::''Logic.'' Any potential revival of Visionaries is not going to be done under the Transformers brand. Spider-Man does not exist under the Transformers brand, G.I. Joe does not exist under the Transformers brand. GoBots now, for all intents and purposes, ''does''. A full revival being hilariously unlikely, anything Hasbro does with the IP in the future - as well as everything it is currently actually ''allowing'' licensees to regularly do with the IP in a capacity beyond "referential nudge-nudge wink wink jokes" - is under the Transformers brand. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:31, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::On the contrary - the only published Visionaries story material in 29 years was under the TF brand. It is far more likely that like Inhumanoids, the Visionaries will continue only as a hanger-on of Tramsformers fiction Easter eggs forever. And all of the GoBots material that was published under the TF brand, and is in any way related to real TF characters and stories, is already here. Which is all that belongs here. Hasbro owned Battle Beasts from the start and we currently include all the actual TF branded appearances of Battle Beasts / Beastformers. But we give only the most sparse coverage to the American comic book and American Battle Beast characters because it wasn't a real, branded, linked TF story the way the Japanese material was. We have to stick with standards and not just what people might personally find fun. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:40, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::That's why I stipulated a capacity beyond referential in-jokes for fans, which is all the Inhumanoids or Visionaries references amount to. I think where the disagreement lies is in whether or not we think of GoBots as another franchise that is being "referenced" or having "crossovers" with Tranformers - that's what Visionaries is, but my stance is that it is ''no longer'' the case with GoBots, but that GoBots is now ''part'' of the Transformers franchise and warrants broader treatment than Spider-Man-style articles where we pretend we don't know who Leader-1 is. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 10:52, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Also, slippery slope arguments are silly, unless the people involved are idiots with no judgement capacity, computers, or state legislatures. You're concerned about things that no one is advocating or interested in. Regardless, I think everyone gets that you're against the idea.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:00, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::That's not a slippery slope argument. That's pointing out that putting in Go-Bots would be inconsistent with how we treat other non-Transformers franchises. And, frankly, I think Jim Sorenson should probably recuse himself from this discussion since he's the guy trying to use official means to marry TF and Go-Bots with rubber bands, Elmer's glue, and footnotes. It feels a little disingenuous. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:23, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::Fair point. I'll bow out. (Though I'm far from the first or only person to play in this sandbox. In fact, expect more from others in the very near future.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:55, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

IF we decided to do this, I think we'd want strict guidelines from the start about what is and is not in scope. Since the toys were mostly licensed from Bandai, a Hasbro competitor, I would say they should NOT be included. Also, ancillary media has been pretty much ignored by TF fiction.

My gut says that The Challenge of the GoBots cartoon (65 episodes, 1 movie) is about the extent of what we'd want to include. No coloring books, no Machine Robo, none of that. It's the easiest bit to do, the most influential, and the bit that Hasbro mostly has claim to.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 09:16, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::Hasbro has a claim to the cartoon? Then how come [http://www.wbshop.com/product/challenge+of+the+gobots-+the+series,+volume+one+%28mod%29+1000486768.do Time Warner sells it], no probs, without any Hasbro logos anywhere? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:08, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::The text on the back of the original mini-series DVD refers to "Hasbro's GoBots". - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:20, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::And the newer ones? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:24, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::They don't mention it, no, but I'm just pointing out that Warner's put it on there. Hasbro don't ''own'' the cartoon, we know that. I think we can all at least agree GoBots is a ''weird'' case, where Hasbro own the "idea" of the property and the characters and story and such but none of the actual physical ''assets''. It's my contention that those "ideas" are now a part of the Transformers brand, and not guest-stars from another franchise. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:27, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::As far as I can discern, they own the name, what other trademarks they've maintained, and that's about it. They don't own the character likenesses and they certainly don't own the toys, and it's confirmed they don't own the cartoon, either. We're not going to catalog a non-Transformers cartoon Hasbro doesn't own on this wiki, no matter what Vector Prime says. If you want to cover the "idea" of what they own, that can be accomplished by adding to the already-existing "Gobots" article. Hasbro owning part of a sliver of an idea of GoBots doesn't mean we need a "Scratch" or "Sparky" article. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:35, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:Agreed. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:31, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::I'd still like to see all the other stuff done up, but am willing to leave that for another day if it helps get this moving along. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:43, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::Same. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:50, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::This has been asked about 6 times in the recent past, including after the Gobotron incorporation, and it loses every single time. I think it's insppropriate to seriously discuss going ahead with it after about 2 hours of talk. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:01, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::I'm not sure what you're defining as the "recent past", but the last time I can find was in [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive49|2010]]. We're obviously going to wait for more input before we start pumping out articles. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 10:17, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::Here's 2011: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Cy-Kill_(GoBots)
::::::Here's 2012: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/GoBots --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 10:51, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:::::::I am with Thy. This has been argued to death a billion times over, and nothing has changed. We're not about to start cataloguing stuff that isn't Transformers media on our Transformers wiki. That's the opposite of what this wiki is about, and no amount of Vector Prime answers will make some Hanna-Barbara series into a Transformers one. Folks who want to catalog Go-Bots should make their own wiki, and if they can't drum up the interest to do so, and have to piggy-back on ours in order to get it done, maybe that should tell ya something. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 12:13, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Full agreement with Thy and Walky. And I'd like to point out that I'm one of the bastards who created the lion's share of TF-branded GoBots material. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 15:02, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
:If we can't document [http://monzo12782.tumblr.com/post/105019142648/and-then-there-was-that-time-the-renegades that time Cy-Kill dressed up as George Washington], what's the point of cataloging any of it at all? --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 10:27, 4 June 2015 (EDT)
::Well, you just made my day.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 10:44, 4 June 2015 (EDT)

==October 2015==
===Executive Summary===
''A full-on GoBots Facebook pages prompts multiple proposals, resulting in several votes, ultimately opting to... make no changes to existing policy''

==== GoBots 2015 ====
Hey guess what - people are using AVP to try to settle this internet score too. What a shock, I know, right? Multiple wiki editors said the scores of new one-sentence-one-source GoBot articles should all be made into a single list, read commentary here:
http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-96

Before very many more one-sentence-one-source articles get installed, I think we should at least have some discussion here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:38, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:I say make an exception and do a full coverage on Gobots.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 13:48, 18 October 2015 (EDT)

:Completely sold on combo pages by Tindalos: we already do include Related Characters on pages like [[Susan Hoffman]], [[Collins (Movie)]]. We could easily do a Guardians#Minor Guardians and Renegades#Minor Renegades for people who haven't got enough to them. (Like, Cop-Tur and Zero gets a lot said about them but Fly Trap does not) Groups like Puzzler could be all stuffed under the Puzzler page. (The Axiom Nexus Renegades, I'd cheat and say keep them on their own pages since ''these'' are meant to be Transformers in-universe.) --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 18:49, 18 October 2015 (GMT)

:Most of the Gobots described by RR are getting more than one note name mentions. History, alt-modes, personality, the works. I wouldn't just conglomerate them all together. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:59, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:However, I wouldn't be opposed to consolidating articles like Puzzler, since he's practically a drone, and the Dread Launchers and Secret Riders, since all of them share history. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 14:07, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::I think making a list page is better than having numerous pages with short texts.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 14:15, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::If we don't do them all, combining Puzzler, Launchers,and Riders is a good idea anyway.[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 19:18, 18 October 2015 (GMT)

:Proof-of-concept page for if we want to list 'em up: put it under fiction (so that's easier to find), put the main Gobotron and the in-universe TFs up top, and stick the details of the minors under that. tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Renegade&oldid=1016174 [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 19:20, 18 October 2015 (GMT)
::I've been doing most of the Renegade write-ups and most of them seem to be more than just name drops. Generally we get a name, a personality, an alt mode, and often an adventure. That's easily enough for an article. For the exceptions, like Puzzler, a single overarching page isn't a bad idea, but maybe not a necessary idea. The information on the Guardians is much more sparse, and having big lists for most of them could probably work. I haven't been writing them up due to how little there is on most of them.
::I am not sure where the idea comes from that having eighty small articles is a bad thing, though. The Wiki has always erred on the side of inclusiveness, which leads to pages like [[Spike's booty call]] and [[Moe]] and [[DeForest High]], things which are also one or two line articles about people and concepts that only appear in one source. I'm not sure why this is any different. If anything, there's way more interest in the GoBot material, as evidenced by how many people are asking questions about the Renegades and how many likes and shares those pages are getting.
::I'm also seeing, both in this thread and in the thread linked to, lots of interest in wikiing up the entire "Challenge of the Gobots" cartoon. McFeely, Khajidha, Saix, Sorenson, originally, and now Primestar and Gearshift all seem to be in favor. On the other side, Walky, M Sipher, Thylacine. It seems odd to me that, with the momentum apparently leaning 2:1 towards documenting all of "Challenge of the Gobots", we're talking about curtailing the bits and bobs that are definitely for sure Transformers canon. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:49, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::Logistical question: Do enough people have the GoBots DVD (or, cough, other sources) to write them up? (We ''are'' still lagging in fleshed out UT character pages, after all, and I think more people own those shows). -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 19:20, 18 October 2015 (GMT)
::::Well, episodes are on the internet.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 16:01, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::Episodes aren't licensed by Hasbro, so we cannot write them up and place them here. Ever.
:::::Giggidy: this is different from the silly jokes you refer to because at least those jokes are contained within licensed Transformers material. The GoBots AS PEOPLE REMEMBER THEM - the cartoons, characters, and toys - were never released under a Hasbro license, except for a tiny minority of exceptions in text stories. Even IF we settled for allowing independent articles for everything AVP said, it could never, ever contain any material more than that, because Hasbro didn't publish it and doesn't own it.
:::::All in all I am extremely disappointed by the... I guess, poor sportsmanship, pettiness, and entitlement... of the pro-inclusion side. This has been rehashed and reargued and relitigated year after year after year after year with very clear reasons why they do not belong, and for some reason people think none of that matters because GoBots were just cool! Well, Samhain and the Bogey Man from the DIC Ghostbusters cartoon were just cool and we've got the Ghostbusters in here as an in-joke, but we don't freaking add in Samhain the demon from a DIC cartoon through overeager bootstrapping. We also don't add in the very awesome and well-loved Dark Phoenix by extrapolation just because the Allspark Almanac mentioned an M'kraan Crystal.
:::::The MOST that could EVER be included about any of these GoBots is the stuff AVP writes, because at least that IS put out by Hasbro. I and quite a few others think that even that much material isn't much at all and since it's coming in a rapidfire slew for a lot of characters I think a list format collection is worth discussing. If a lot of people really really really disagree, then I could rationally grasp the argument that through the loophole that has been cheated into existence they have grounds on which to disagree and the articles containing the AVP material could hypothetically each stand on their own. But that's ALL that can go there. Only AVP. No cartoon, nothing else. And even that should not be taken for granted by the pro-inclusion side. They really have to sell their case, because from here it's STILL way too heavily predicated upon "oh-come-ON!"-ism. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:18, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::This isn't about winning arguments from years ago-most of us weren't even signed up when the AAII came out and everybody got into a whole mess over that. Many of us honestly think that documenting the series is something that we should do and within the jurisdiction. You can disagree with putting it up on the wiki, but don't just throw about terms like "pettiness" and "entitlement" cause you don't like the opposing sides argument or the fiction causing it in the first place. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:46, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::I would suggest Hasbro's ownership or non-ownership is irrelevant. We document many things not owned by Hasbro but merely associated with them, including the entire Japanese franchise (owned by TakaraTomy) and the entire film franchise (owned and copyrighted by Paramount, with only the Transformers elements used under license from Hasbro). --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:50, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Ownership by TakTom is just as legitimate as ownership by Hasbro, and licensing is just as legitimate as ownership. Things that are neither owned nor licensed by a company that actually produces real Transformers, such as a Hanna-Barbera cartoon, are not legitimate for inclusion. Otherwise we'll be throwing in fanfic and third-party toys and Family Guy episodes with TF "appearances." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:04, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::There is a possible justification for their inclusion that would still bar those other things. We could decide that having had the GoBots declared to actually be TFs in a multiversal sense means that any material that was officially produced about them is now open for inclusion (the fact that it was officially produced under the auspices of Tonka would be a mere detail). This would not open the floodgates for fanfic, 3rd party materials or Family Guy. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 17:47, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::That concept has been decided-''against'', here, many times. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:19, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::Saying that we've voted against something in the past is not a strong argument for why we should vote against it now. Things change, the population of editors change, our understanding of the material changes. Gay marriage was illegal, now it's legal. I'm not saying you're stomping on my civil liberties, but you really need a more compelling argument than "we've said no before." Besides, you're the one who jumpstarted this conversation.
:::::::::::My point with Paramount was that there are elements that we document fully that aren't owned by Hasbro. They're owned by another corporation, and are used adjacent to Hasbro material. Hasbro doesn't own, say, Seymour Simmons. Paramount does. But we document him because he's a Transformers character. Likewise, Hasbro doesn't own some elements of Challenge of the Gobots, Hanna-Barbara does. But Kenner did license certain elements to Hanna-Barbara to make the GoBots cartoon, and Kenner is now Hasbro. Effectively it's the same situation legally. We do the same thing with other crossovers, like [[DreamMix TV World Fighters]] or the [[Avengers]] book.
:::::::::::And even if it wasn't, our decisions about what's in scope and what isn't is just that, our decision. It's reached by consensus, after reasoned debate. If the consensus is that Gobots is close enough, passes the squint test, we certainly could choose to include it. You're acting as if your statments are akin to "it's obvious that water is wet", a fact, when in fact they're closer to "marriage has always been defined as being between a man and a woman," a social convention. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:35, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::I just saw this in the morass of text, and '''''fuck you''''' for equating "not including GoBots cartoon" with "ban gay marriage". REALLY tempted to drop a ban on you right now for that little act of vileness. Holy fucking shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:53, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::I am not purporting to cite stone tablets from a thousand years ago - I am referring back to ''the conversation FOUR MONTHS AGO directly above this one.'' Your reference to DreamMix proves my point perfectly: we include things that had an official Transformers creator stamp at time of publication, like Simon Belmondo, and NOT ancillary same-universe stuff that DID NOT, like Sypha Belnades. Ditto for Avenger characters that never had the stamp like the Brothers Grimm or whatever. We don't get to enjoy our way past the clear concept of who really owned and licensed what and when. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:55, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::So we've got the two positions:
::::::::::::a) GoBots the cartoon is not Hasbro licensed or involved in any way; we should only properly cover GB stuff in Hasbro-approved stuff like Fun Publications, AVP, comic homages etc
::::::::::::b) Approved stuff has now made so many GoBots nods and explicit references to the show (all the way back [[Games of Deception|to 2007]] and almost [[G1_GoBots|2004]]) that this is no longer a big jump but a natural thing to do.
::::::::::::without much budging. We could put it up to an editor vote? --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 18:49, 18 October 2015 (GMT)
::::::::::::It might be a bit off topic, but are you sure about Simmons? Hasbro put out a Human Alliance toy with Agent Simmons. I don't have the box and didn't read all the fine print, but the front of the box has "Agent Simmons™" next to a Hasbro logo. One movieverse character that might be wholly affiliated with paramount and not Hasbro might be [[Bendy-Bus Prime]]. - [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 19:00, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::We include stuff that includes Transformers even without an official Transformers stamp, like [[Unfoldings!]]. And the conversation four months ago looks like it was 4 in favor, 3 against, so it's not really a great argument for you. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:10, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::How in the world can you imagine an issue of the GIJoe comic starring Transformers to NOT BE official licensed product? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:24, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::I didn't say that it wasn't licensed. I said it didn't have a Transformers stamp. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:39, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Also by my count of the last conversation it was 2 in favor, 4 against, 1 seemingly not strongly decided, and 1 recusal due to professional conflict of interest. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:50, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::My count: McFeely, Khajidha, Saix, Sorenson, for, Walky, M Sipher, Thylacine against. Sorenson's position was clear. And M Sipher also worked professional on GoBots, so if we're discounting Sorenson, we should probably discount Sipher as well. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:22, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::Unfoldings is Hasbro-stamped though, and we don't describe much of the Joe plot.
::::::::::::::Either way, if it was that close a call last time, should we just aye or nay it?--[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 00:14, 19 October 2015 (GMT)
:::::::::::::::It's been like four hours. This is a big decision and should have at least 2-3 days debate. Honestly, I haven't even decided how I feel, I just think Thy's arguments are pretty weak. That doesn't mean there aren't some strong ones. Let's not go calling for votes just yet. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:18, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::[[Help:Official info]]: the first sentence under "What constitutes official information?" seems relevant here. There is no way anything included in the movies is anything less than relevant to this wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:26, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
'''"Simply put, anything coming either directly or indirectly from Hasbro and/or TakaraTomy, or from other official parties such as (currently) IDW Publishing, Paramount Pictures, Fun Publications or other companies officially involved with the Transformers brand."'''
:::::::::::::Right. And since Kenner is wholly owned by Hasbro, then despite being owned by Hanna-Barbara, GoBots was (retroactively) coming directly from Hasbro as much as the movies are. Then the only question becomes is GoBots a Transformers subline. Hasbro and FunPub seem to feel that it is, and have been using the [[Gobots|name]] [[G1 GoBots|and]][[Ask Vector Prime|concepts]] [[Go-Bot (G2)|for]] [[Withered Hope|decades]].--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:39, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::The key - and wrong - word being "retroactively." Takara's Diaclones became Transformers, and there are occasional Diaclone references we catalog. But we do not catalog 1970s-80s pre-Transformer content as anything beyond curiosities and footnotes; they don't get their box-back name-dropped characters and events covered here; in fact the "Cymond" content we have is new, not vintage. The same goes for Macross and Beetras and Brave as well. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:57, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::Also, I feel that I should point out that some members of the Wiki are at TFCon at the moment and unable to take part in this discussion. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:05, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Another excellent reason not to rush into any hasty votes.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:16, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Well I'm back and guess what? Fuck individual articles. Stuff them all into a single "Renegade" article. The idea of a ton of two-sentence articles from a singular source that is blatantly doing this to ramrod shit we have repeatedly and recently said "no" to remains goddamn stupid and counter-productive. There's better arguments for documenting everything G.I. Joe than GoBots, and we're not fucking doing that. MAKE A SEPARATE GOBOTS WIKI. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:29, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::Except since the whole thing's started, it's moved on from name drops to actually expanding the histories of the characters, which is why many are turning back to the idea of individual Gobot articles. There's plenty of G.I. Joes and Cobra members who do nothing of note in the series they appear in with the TFs, but the only consolidated one is the Dreadnoks since they share most of their appearances together, which could work for Puzzler and others like that. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:54, 18 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::::Making the separate Go-Bots articles doesn't take away anything from the rest of the wiki. And if they're short articles, well, they are what they are. We have recorded the entirety of Transformers fiction covering their subject on one page, and that fiction is very sparse, but it is accurate, and faithful to the wiki's mission of documenting information. Beyond that though, I'd say I'd vote against merging in information about non-Hasbro/Takara/whatevs owned properties into the articles, such as the Go-Bots cartoon. A sister wiki seems like it would be the best idea, though I can't volunteer my services to completing it as of right now, as I'm pretty thoroughly engaged on other projects on THIS wiki. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 21:13, 18 October 2015 (EDT)

=====Call for Vote=====

It's been a week since this last came up and I know there are people still pissed that GoBots stuff is added at all, so can we pull the pin and decide? We all know the arguments by now. Whether we should reduce most of the existing GoBot pages or leave them (this seems to be all they're getting now Renegade Rhetoric's ended) is an important but I think separate issue to: include GoBots fiction in its entirety on this wiki or do not include anything but what comes out under Hasbro material. 
At this point I've swung round to being against adding ''Challenge'' material; it should have its own wiki, which could be created tomorrow if people wanted. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 01:19, 26 October 2015 (GMT)
:I vote for leaving the Go-Bot articles as we have them now. They're hardly "two-sentence articles" for the most part, and whether we personally like something or not hardly has bearing on its inclusion in the wiki. Lots of people hate [[The Beast Within]], but its here. And AVP has more people involved in its production, and more research put through it than that comic did. When there's going to be a Go-Bot's wiki, we'll link it in the articles like we do to other outside wikis. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 21:36, 25 October 2015 (EDT)
::I'm in favour of keeping the existing AVP, FunPub stuff too. Just draw the line there and all. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 01:40, 26 October 2015 (GMT)
:::By the way, thanks to all the editors who have been working hard to keep all the Guardians and Renegades articles updated! It's a big help, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates it greatly. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 21:44, 25 October 2015 (EDT)

I've been thinking on this and, despite the relatively weak arguments against including ''Challenge'' material, something about including it feels off to me. I think intellectually the case for inclusion is very strong, but I think emotionally it'd probably feel better somewhere else. I'd agree with Charles about voting on against full-on-wikifying ''Challenge''. I've also been one of several people writing-up the GoBots articles and I'd strenuously disagree with deleting them. There is plenty of information on even the scantiest of them, including at the minimum names, factions, actions taken. The wiki is replete with articles for less. In the case of virtually every Renegade, we get at least two adventures, personality, and alt modes. Some Guardians get similar treatment. A few characters have visuals. It'd be silly to torch them.

As I said, I've been thinking on this and I think there may be a compromise solution between the two extremes, one of a big list due to a relative paucity of material, the other of wikifying everything from ''Challenge.'' I propose we only wiki up what's actually been said about the characters in a Transformers medium... but, to give the articles a little more oomph, we add in a main picture from ''Challenge'' if (and only if) there is no official Transformers image available. We've in the past shown a willingness to use these images in the notes section, so we'd only be bumping them up to the top. The copyright shouldn't be an issue, Challenge of the Gobots sports a Tonka copyright, and Tonka is wholly owned by Hasbro. This way we're still limiting to the "facts" of Transformers, but the articles will look and feel a little more robust. Only one image per character, and then only if they haven't gotten an official illustration. Thoughts?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 21:45, 25 October 2015 (EDT)
:It is unacceptable to catalog "Challenge" here. It is not and never has been owned by a Transformers license-holder, and I can't fathom how this could be seen as a weak argument. Even if AVP made every GoBot article 20 pages long, the cartoon never had the stamp and so any form of systematic involvement should be out. If that means a whole slew of articles with no main images, then that is the price for creating so many individual articles instead of a list. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:55, 25 October 2015 (EDT)

http://machinerobo.wikia.com/wiki/Gobots

Have fun. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 21:57, 25 October 2015 (EDT)

I feel like everyone's forgetting that even before AVP came into play, we had images from COTG on the wiki-Cy-Kill, the E-Hobby pack, Doctor Braxis, all in the notes section. The ones that didn't, I think nobody just felt like adding them. Fracture had Crasher's image in her notes section, and Deadlift had Spoons. So, yes, as long as they're in the notes section, with the images having all the copyright information. they'll probably be fine.

As for the wiki, I feel like a great many of us would rather have a sister site than some ad-filled mess of a page. My computer can't even handle going on it for a full minute without making me restart it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 22:02, 25 October 2015 (EDT)

::What Thy said. This is not fucking up for debate. All the AVP end-run wank isn't going to change the FACT that large swaths of the GoBots IP are NOT owned by Hasbro, including the cartoon and toys said cartoon was derived from, the latter being owned by a direct competitor to both TF-owning companies. Frankly, I'm not even sure what, if anything, Hasbro DOES own from that IP, given they haven't used an overtly-GoBots Trademark in what, a decade? At best they MIGHT still own the name "GoBots", and I mean "own" in the sense that "nobody's bothered to challenge it so far". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:15, 25 October 2015 (EDT)
:::My two cents is that despite my personal wish for all GoBots information to go on tfwiki, I say that as long as this wiki's rules are based on ''Transformers'' information (Hasbro, Takara, etc.-only), then the non-Hasbro owned CotG cartoon and such doesn't go on this wiki. In addition for convenience of navigation for ''GoBots'' fans, a sister wiki for ''GoBots'' would help for finding strictly ''GoBots'' information. Also, if we were to put CotG on the wiki, then on principle would we have to add in ''Robotix'' and all the Cymond Cluster franchises (''Brave'', ''Zoids'', etc) because they're in the ''Transformers'' multiverse?
:::With regards to ''GoBots'' material in ''Transformers'' works ("Withered Hope", Renegade Rhetoric, the hopefully upcoming "Spatiotemporal Challenges", etc.), I say that it goes on the wiki because it was distributed through a ''Transformers'' medium. And gets individual articles as does ''G.I. Joe'' or anything like that. And given the influence of ''GoBots'' on ''Transformers'', I agree that we make the exception to use limited CotG screencaps as the main pictures for ''GoBots'' characters on the wiki since we've been doing that for years in notes sections. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 01:42, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::::I vote against turning an EXCEPTION from like 4 pages into THE RULE on a hundred. "Challenge" screencaps should not be used as main pics on every single GoBot page. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 11:21, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::Reiterating this point: since the individual articles already exist it's probably just easier to leave them. However, I strongly suggest a ''total block on any further use of any unlicensed GoBots media appearances, of any kind. No more "Challenge," no more coloring books, not even as Notes, let alone as main pics.'' If folks want to leave up the small handful of longstanding examples we've got, eh. But since there a very real distinction between GoBots IP that is allowed / available and that which is not, we should draw a firm line, stick with it, and prevent any further inclusion of material that doesn't pass the usual rules of ownership / licensing. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:03, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::Oh, yes, nothing past the requirements should be included. I do agree with that. And I doubt we'll have any more Gobots related stuff for AVP. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:08, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Nays are having it so far. 
Giggidy's suggestion of putting screencaps in Notes for some pages seems like workable, unless there's acopyright issue o people will consider it thin-edging the wedge --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 08:04, 26 October 2015 (GMT)

I might've been in favour of it before, but I too have swung around to thinking the ''Challenge'' cartoon doesn't fall within our remit, as a piece of media that was not ever, and is still not, owned or licensed by a Transformers rights-holder. I'm not averse to using screencaps from the cartoon for pictures, though. I'd also say we can definitely merge the components of Puzzler and [[Monsterous]] into singular articles under the combiner names. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 06:49, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Much of the story information that AVP revealed about the GoBots characters is straightforward recapitulation of episodes of CotG. Do we need/want to put a note to that effect on the character pages? If so, should it just be something general like "events are adapted from the CotG cartoon" or should we note the episode titles for the different events? Should/could we link to Counter-X's episode summaries? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:19, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Most of the AVP stuff seems to be original. Where it's not I've been mentioning the episodes. Linking to Counter-X is a good idea. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:51, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Not sure how much of a vote is actually happening here, but me and my seven years worth of contributions vote '''No''' to ''Challenge'' or further GoBots additions to the Wiki. I would remove or block any individual pages for GoBots characters due to AVP. I already think tongue-in-cheek reference pages like [[Harrison Ford]] and [[Indiana Jones]] are silly, and probably contributed to the all-inclusive mentality people are fighting against here.

Has/Tak only owns a small fragment of GoBots IP. This Wiki, like ''every Wiki and every fan website on the internet'', exists at the sufferance of the property's owners. So while there are in-universe, multiversal collaborations between Marvel and DC continuity, you'll notice they still retain separate Wikis. It doesn't matter how closely related Transformers and GoBots become in the fictional realities -- real world reality has to govern this site.

Personally, I like the way the Marvel Wiki deals with Transformers -- each issue of the Marvel Comic contains an issue summary and cast list of the Marvel story, but the individual links on that page leave the Marvel wiki and go to the Transformers wiki (albeit the wrong TF Wiki, but they ''are'' on wikia). There is no [[Bluestreak (G1)]] page on the Marvel Database, even though he appeared in a Marvel Comic...just a link to a Transformers wiki that can actually cover the character in-depth as he deserves.

My recommendation is to reduce all of Renegades Rhetoric to a single story page, chronicling the many adventures and details provided by Has/Tak owned Axiom Nexus's Cy-Kill in one place, with no individual Guardian or Renegade pages on this wiki. If and when a functional Gobots Wiki is created, link the characters and concepts to THAT wiki where they can be covered in full. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 11:50, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:That tactic gets my vote. The "minor joke article" was a bit of harmless fun back when the franchise was much smaller, and we do '''''not''''' need to kowtow to it when something comes along to abuse the wiki's "system" to do something of dubious legal standing. (Really ought to look at how the GB page addresses Hasbro's "ownership" and elaborate.) For the quadzillionth time, our "rules" need to be flexible and typically ARE, but some people really just can't handle the idea of not treating everything with the same ironclad law at all times, no matter what affect it has on the overall wiki. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 14:41, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::I vote against it. Ultimately passing the buck off to another wiki isn't my idea of being informative. Where others would do that, we work hard to cover as much as what falls within our realm to cover. (Which, as it happens, does NOT include the COTG cartoon) That's what makes us stand out, in terms of both content and quality, above many other wikis out there. And I don't even think the franchise was ever even that small. That was just an illusion created by the fact that a lot of it had gone on undocumented for a long time. People need to stop making this out like its some kind of personal attack against us. What's it gonna harm that there are a few pages out there like the Harrison Ford page article? Are people gonna flip out and swear never to use our wiki again if they stumble across it? Are we going to be sneered at and ridiculed by some internet aristocracy because our "credibility" will be in doubt or something? I doubt its eating up much space in terms of bandwith or whatever. And no one will make any legal advance that has any ground here. Wikis wouldn't exist as a concept if that would regularly happen. Where is the harm? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 14:49, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:::That's a "nay" from me on cutting the small number of deliberately silly pages: we're long past the point that this wiki can say that's not on, unless we can say that it puts people off visiting. Casual fans and browsers seem to like them. -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 20:22, 26 October 2015 (GMT)
::::I wasn't actually advocating removing the Harrison Ford-style joke articles. (Not a fan of taking a whole article to say "Somebody mentioned [[Broadside (SG)]] once!", either.) Just pointing out pages like that contributed to the mind set of including articles for every person, place, or thing mentioned in Transformers fiction. The difference, of course, is that no one is trying to write up full articles about the ''Indiana Jones'' franchise here instead of making an Indy wiki. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I wasn't either. I'd have thought the intention was clear: that the allowing of "harmless fun" articles of small references from when the franchise was VASTLY smaller was now being intentionally abused as an end-run around something that was decided against long ago for being not-HasTak-owned/licensed, one of the few pretty concrete rules we do have, and a fundamental one at that. Therefore I have no compunctions about making an exception to the general guideline (which we often have to do anyway) and compacting the information to a minimal number of pages... especially given the dubious nature of Hasbro's "ownership" of the GoBots IP (among other IPs mentioned in certain sources). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:32, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I actually expected more arguments for adding COTG material - check up the page and there ''have'' been more! Interest seems to have collapsed. -- [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 20:34, 26 October 2015 (GMT)

Honestly, at this point, most-if not all-articles for the Gobots have been created. I really don't think it would hurt anyone to just leave them up. We can argue about all the IP ownership all we want, but as Ascendron already pointed out, we have other articles that don't exactly line up with Hasbro-owned stuff either-Hasbro certainly didn't shout at IDW for including Transformers in a Crossover that also involved a rival company (Playmates and Ninja Turtles). [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:39, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:...Are you actually contending that IDW didn't run the scope and parameters of the giant crossover by Hasbro ''at all'' before doing it? That the crossover wasn't extensively okayed by every rightsholder involved beforehand? Because there's no other way to interpret what you just said, and that's a staggeringly stupid premise. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:49, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::Stay classy, M Sipher. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:06, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:::classy? is this the part of the thread where we equate gay marriage to gobots being on the transformers wiki --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:17, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::::I don't believe he was literally equating the two-he was using a recent example of rules changing from previous. Could he have used a better example? Yes, probably, but I understood what he was getting at, and I say this as someone who would be affected by said laws. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:44, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

::No, of course not. However, what I can say from experience: as our audience grew bigger, we did go back and make changes to the older gobots-involved answers. A couple model sheets here and there were deleted, because Warner Bros could have potentially sued Hasbro. I don't think we would've even gone through with Cy-Kill if it hadn't been without someone giving us the okay first-and even then, we made sure to delete an old avatar with Cy-Kill Hanna-Barbara face on it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:55, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd be okay with a separate wiki that we could just link to when GoBots came up. I mean, the GoBots franchise has been basically dead for thirty years outside of a few winks from Transformers (with the exception of the Cy-Kill thing that started this whole debate), so I don't think it'd ever get too out of hand. Obviously time, money, and access to the show are factors in this solution, so it might not be 100% viable. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 19:57, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but if the whole not-Hasbro IP thing matters for this wiki, then what stops sites like the Machine Robo wikia from using any ''GoBots'' material at all? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:The rules of this web site have no relevance to any other wikis, and the Machine Robo wikia does indeed include GoBots material. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:12, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
::I was debating with myself whether or not to make this post, but it's going to bug me if I don't. Here goes. Obviously, a lot of us have become pretty emotionally involved in this topic. People say hurtful and stupid things when emotions run high. But if you're going to debate with someone, its important to challenge their arguments, and not attack the debater themselves... Despite whatever slip-ups may happen. I don't really know any of you. I can't really call any of you friends, because I'm not involved in any forums, and I don't attend conventions... But I respect many people's work ethic here, especially since we're all volunteering our time for the wiki. For the information itself, I get it that people are getting upset that information is being "snuck in" as a deliberate attempt to get it documented on the wiki. But if someone else got the job of getting to create fiction related to the Transformers brand, and used it as they saw fit, well I'm hardly in a position to debate that. They get to do stuff I never will, and as an adult, I have to concede to such defeats. Ultimately, it comes down to this: I believe that, for the most part, keeping the information on separate pages as they are currently is the best and most informative way to share it with whoever chooses to browse our wiki. (Some of the combiner components can be combined, as their importance relates wholly to the fact that they're components to a more important character). If anyone is able to prove me wrong by presenting even a crude mock-up that shows a better way of accomplishing that task, I will gladly change my stance on the issue. But we can do that by being civil and respectful. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 04:40, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

Bottom line, GoBots shouldn't be treated any differently, and certainly not any ''better'', than G.I. Joe on this Wiki. The Joes are a fully owned Hasbro franchise with decades of interactive history with the Transformers brand, BUT...all the images of Snake Eyes or Cobra Commander on the TF Wiki are from TF stuff, not from the Sunbow cartoon that was not connected to ''Transformers''. No one is trying to explain [[Snake-Eyes]]' Vietnam origins in his Notes section, unlike the [[Zebediah Braxis|Doctor Braxis]] Notes section stuffed with COTG references. Because people understand that if you want to read about G.I. Joe, you go to a G.I. Joe website...which this isn't. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 13:02, 27 October 2015 (EDT)

======Vote Results======
It's been more than 24 hours with no movement one way or the other, and even then, the stuff from yesterday seems like rehashing old arguments. Is now a fair time to tally? The voting is complicated because there are multiple proposals on the table.

*Proposal: '''Complete cataloging of "''Challenge of the Gobots''"'''
**Supporters: Khajidha

*Proposal: '''Condensing all Ask Vector Prime GoBots pages down to just one or two master pages, probably ''Guardians'' and ''Renegades'' or ''Renegade Rhetoric'''''
**Supporters: Xaaron, M Sipher

*Proposal: '''Expand coverage of Ask Vector Prime GoBots to include "''Challenge of the Gobots''" screen captures'''
**Supporters: Giggidy, Chris McFeely, Escargon, Charles RB, S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47, Khajidha, tentative Riptide

*Proposal: '''Expand coverage of Ask Vector Prime GoBots to include link to Counter-X website'''
**Supporters: Khajidha, Giggidy, Riptide, Saix

*Proposal: '''Treat Renegade Rhetoric like any other source, no condensation but also no expansion such as screen captures'''
**Supporters: Thylacine 2000

*Proposal: '''Pics from outside media goes in the notes section on character pages. Some Go-Bots pics can go there, otherwise wait until Transformers media includes original art of these characters.'''
**Supporters: Ascendron

I ''think'' I got everyone's position represented. Grum, I'm not really sure which camp you fell into. Regardless, it's clear that there's a solid majority in favor of documenting everything from Ask Vector Prime fully, with exceptions when it's sensible to do so such as with Puzzler and Monsterous. The good news is that this is exactly the current state of the wiki. No further action is required. Though it's ironic and a little sad that it took so much acrimony and name calling to get to the point of doing nothing different than we are now.

I'm less confident declaring victory on the screen capture question. M Sipher, Thylacine 2000, and Xaaron have all made their position against clear, as have the five supporters. I'd be curious to hear from <s>Khajidha, Ascendron, and</s> Grum on that issue before we go expanding them. I'm not sure if their silence indicates indifference, lack of awareness, or simply opposition to that proposal. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:43, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

:Didn't say anything until now since I didn't really have anything new to add, but I would vote for Counter-X and... maaaaaybe screencaps, but I'm indecisive on that one. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:53, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:: I'm divided about the screencaps... My gut instinct says that it would be a good addition to the pages... But I almost would feel, I dunno, hypocritical giving my full support to their inclusion, seeing as I'm usually very steadfast in my stance of only including stuff that's official. I suppose I can justify it to myself, as their inclusion would do more good than harm as far as how informative they would make the articles... Let's just not go overboard with it? One pic for each guy, maybe less if a single picture does a good job of showcasing multiple characters? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 16:31, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:::Yes, that was my original proposal. One and only one, less where possible. Couldn't agree more. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:42, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

:Actually, I'm in favor of complete GoBots coverage, but have bowed to the overwhelming opposition on that score. TOTALLY opposed to the wholesale reduction approach. Favor screen caps (but expect that not to come about). Favor Counter-X links. I would prefer that the combiner members have their own pages, but the limited information available currently makes the redirection to the combined form page at least as viable a solution.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:If we do include these screencaps, I would also like to request that we make it explicitly clear that they are not owned by Hasbro, and are not official Transformers images on the image's page itself. I was almost tempted to say in their captions on the characters' pages, but even I think that's a bit too extreme. So long as someone can learn quickly that the images do not come from an actual Transformers source if they make the effort of looking up the image's information. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 16:44, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
For full coverage on GoBots as given in any Transformers media. Counter-X links seem like a no-brainer. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:46, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:I said on Oct.26, 19:03, that it would probably at this point be best to leave all the articles up as they are. So if the only issue actually up for decision now is whether to include COTG screenshots, then I firmly vote against that, and see it as sufficiently against our rules of documenting official HasTak material that I'm not entirely sure a vote is even appropriate. We agree on AVP - well AVP itself says COTG screenshots aren't HasTak property and couldn't be used, hence why they themselves took down the first Cy-Kill picture. I think people should be satisfied with what they got. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:49, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I missed that. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:00, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
:::It's true that it's not in line with our policy entirely, but it would be nice for people reading the pages access to an image on the page, just so that they don't have to go hop over to google or whatever other website to see a visual representation of them. That's my main reasoning behind supporting this idea despite not being 100% behind it. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 19:19, 28 October 2015 (EDT)
::::At first, I think we could include Gobots cartoon here but now I changed my thoughts. They are not owned by Hasbro. But I wonder if Hasbro buys the rights to the cartoon, can we include the cartoon on this wiki then? I'm just curious.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 07:12, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I'd still say no because it's not ''Transformers''. Like I said with ''G.I.Joe'', we don't use images of Joes or Cobras from their 80's cartoon -- only from Transformers-related crossover media. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:34, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::<<<<<Not mentioning the Joe franchise character that actually has a non-TF related main pic....>>>>> --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:58, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::Well we've got ''Transformers''-branded visuals for reference for ''G.I. Joe'' characters. Less so for ''GoBots'' characters. Would it not be prudent to have visual points of reference for the GoBots who have appeared in ''Transformers'' fiction? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:25, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::It absolutely would. But we don't HAVE visual points of reference for those GoBots from Transformers fiction. We would have to take images from other fiction/mediums. And if we did it for GoBots, why not add some pictures for [[Jem]], the Inhumanoids' [[Earth Corps]], or the [[Darkling Lord]]s? The aforementioned [[Harrison Ford]] and [[Indiana Jones]] pages don't have visual references either, for that matter. The [[Fantastic Four]] could probably use a better visual reference than that cropped cover border, so...
::::::::Do you see how this snowballs out of control? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:08, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::My initial suggestion of just putting a picture in the note section is still out there, by the way. I kinda dropped it because no one really seemed on board... But I figured if we have the leeway to put up pics outside of Transformers fiction there, like we did for the [[Beast (G1)|Beast]], and for that matter, [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-kill]], we could just do the same for all the Go-Bots characters. I know it's kinda seem like a silly game of working our way through loopholes, but it still is what I would personally prefer... Best of both worlds kind of thing. We still get a visual representation of the character in the article itself, most articles are short enough that the picture would be apparent immediately, but we'd still be sticking to our policy of only using official pictures in the body of the article. The picture is there as an aside, an addition to a note of "by the way, this guy is from this cartoon not owned by Hasbro." Like, look at the [[Night Ranger]] article. That's a great article right there! All the Go-Bots articles should be formatted like that. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 16:21, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::That Night Ranger article actually turns me off the idea of putting pictures in the notes section. There's a huge unsightly gap of white space there between the external links section and the box with the categories in it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:02, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::But that's only because that picture is a character model, which is taller than it is wide. Screencaps are wider than they are tall, and wouldn't create nearly as much whitespace! And we could do what we did with the [[Zebediah Braxis]] article, where we go in a bit of a brief overview of the character's role in the cartoon/ "Made-up Guy filled the role of the impressionable young kid-appeal character in the Go-Bots cartoon, similar as how Bumblebee did in the original Transformers cartoon." Something like that. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 17:07, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::...Which goes right back to doing what we were complaining about in the first place, which is detailing COTG on the TFWiki! This is how quickly it gets out of control. "Well, we're not allowed to cover ''Challenge of the GoBots'', but these pages would look nicer with some images. Okay, we're allowed to put one image in the Notes section as a visual reference, but now it looks unsightly so we'll add some details about COTG to justify having the pictures. Okay, well, we're already talking about COTG in the Notes now, so..."
:::::::::::: - Covering the GoBots material produced under the Transformers franchise...Yes.
:::::::::::: - Adding non-TF GoBots material so that the TF GoBots pages look better...No. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:24, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::I think it looking "unsightly" is really a minor problem. And I didn't mean covering their every appearance. More along the lines of a blip of information. I'm sure a few characters could have more notes that would be informative and interesting to "pad out" the note section if the white space is that big of an issue, (which I don't think it is... Ugly, maybe, but I'd rather have an article that is "unsightly" than uninformative or goes against the wiki's rules.) Stuff like "he was also voiced by this guy who voiced this transformers character" or "this Transformers character is an homage to him," if stuff like that applies. You know, things that we already do for other character pages anyways. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 17:33, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::::::::::Honestly the more the argument for adding in '''hundreds''' of unlicensed, non-TF images comes to hinge desperately on "You did it 5 years ago for Dr. Braxis and 8 years ago for Cobra Commander!", the more it starts to be an argument for deleting those pictures from Dr. Braxis and Cobra Commander. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:12, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::::::::::It's not like there's a shortage of CC images from TF fiction. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:04, 30 October 2015 (EDT)

Just to note here, with all the comparisons being made to our handling of ''G.I. Joe'', we've ''always'' treated the Joes with more leeway than we have, say, Spider-Man or Godzilla. A ''lot'' of our Joe articles include real names and factoids taken from filecards and such, and yes, even in one isolated instance a piece of art that's not from a TF source, because there was no point to the "wilful ignorance" gag, since it wasn't ''funny'' - everyone knows who Spider-Man and Godzilla are, but nobody knows who [[Sci-Fi|Seymour P. Fine]] is. There's no need for such wilful ignorance on Go-Bots either, given how repeatedly tied-in to Transformers it has become - it's not a [[Simon Belmondo]] or a [[Solid Snake]], it's as much part of the Transformers "family" now as Joe is, even if its situation is a bit thornier. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:47, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:If I could make another suggestion. Could we maybe forestall this discussion until after AVP has wrapped up? It is what kicked off this whole discussion. I don't want to "encourage" the feature to "spam" a whole bunch of Gobots screencaps... But it has already brought in a little bit of artwork for Go-Bots articles anyways, and with both VP's return to the storyline, and contact having been made to a Gargent Universe recently, any number of things could happen to influence this discussion one way or another, or even render it moot. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 18:06, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::Unless Hasbro buys Bandai and/or Hanna-Barbera, nothing in AVP could change that we're really not allowed to have systematic coverage of Challenge (and that includes screencaps on ~100 articles) here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 19:08, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::We're allowed to cover whatever we decide is in scope. We have no affiliation with Hasbro. The fact that the copyright notice on the episodes themselves gives ownership to Tonka, a Hasbro subsidiary, is a bonus. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 19:20, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::AVP already HAS posted screencaps that were are using... Not to mention some original art of Cy-kill. It's a longshot, but it's already happened once. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 19:22, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::I actually don't like using most of those screencaps - they WEREN'T posted by AVP, they were posted by dickish users trying to game the system, and were only ''acknowledged'' by Cy-Kill. Further, a quick look back at the FB page suggests the question threads they were posted in were deleted. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 19:28, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::Just checked, they're still there. However, I wouldn't use them outside the Src page. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:37, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::Hmm... Should we use the pics AVP deleted outside of source pages at all? Thinking about the Cy-Kill profile pic. Not like we don't have another one to replace it with. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 19:43, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
::::::::Escargon is correct, we haven't deleted anything recently. Chris is also correct, you haven't seen us post screen captures from Challenge in the pages of Ask Vector Prime. We have acknowledged art and captures that others have posted. Also, regarding this: "Could we maybe forestall this discussion until after AVP has wrapped up?", it might be a long wait. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 19:47, 29 October 2015 (EDT)
:::::::::I hadn't realized that AVP hadn't posted those pics themselves (not gotten to that point yet while working through it in my sandbox. In light of this, I've changed my stance, and changed up there earlier in this thread. I'm now going to stay out of this conversation, since I want to dedicate my energies to other stuff for the time being. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 19:54, 29 October 2015 (EDT)

With no activity on this page for 3 days, I think we can comfortably assess the results. It looks like the vote was better than 2:1 in favor of including Challenge of the GoBots screen captures on the pages, but a healthy caution against overuse. One and only one image per page, and only when official images are not available.

I've also done some homework into the copyright status and it would appear that Warner Bros. is still acknowledging Hasbro's copyright claim. Each '''Challenge of the Gobots''' box set and disk is marked with text to the effect of "GOBOTS and all related characters and elements are trademarks of and (C) [[Hasbro]] Inc." The only thing Hanna-Barbera lays claim to is the actual compilation of the DVDs, and even that is in conjunction with Hasbro: "Program Compilation (C) Hanna-Barbera and Hasbro Inc." The DVD packaging, however, is off-limits. "Package Design (C) Hanna-Barbera and and Warner Bros. Entertainment Inc." The episodes themselves give copyright exclusively to [[Tonka]]. Hopefully this reassures some of Xaaron's concerns, which seemed more legal than philosophical. There are links to photos of the copyright notices on my user page. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 01:42, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Or maybe with 3 days of inactivity on this page, we can consider the matter tabled, what with how time after time the more people talk about it and actually listen to counterpoints the more they realize it's a bad idea and (as we see above) come to change their minds to be against it. If the character and animation likenesses are off-limits even to AVP in the last few days, that should give pause. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:05, 3 November 2015 (EST)

*WHAT AM I ARGUING AGAINST AND IS ANGER AN APPROPRIATE RESPONSE?!?
SRSLY, though? If some user's posted screencaps make those screencaps TF canon - wouldn't the poster themselves also become canon? Wouldn't Facebook become canon?
Draw the damn line, people; we're never going to be a comprehensive GoBots source unless we fully document the toyline and the cartoon. That ain't happening, not on this wiki at least. Accept that, and our mandate is back to recording only what's mentioned in official TF sources, even obnoxiously, willfully fanwankish ones like AVP alas. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 07:41, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Why not redraw the line to include all GoBots materials? No, it doesn't fit the current definition of our mandate but it is a logically consistent one. No, we would not then have to include all GIJoe, etc materials because there is a fundamental difference. GIJoe is in the same universe as Transformers, GoBots have been declared to be Transformers. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:34, 3 November 2015 (EST)
::You answer your own question: It isn't within our mandate and it's not logically consistent because we really then should put in all of GIJoe but we won't do GIJoe because reasons. This has always been a push to change the scope and inclusion criteria for this wiki due to arbitrary personal favoritism. It could only be indulged through this sort of arbitrary personal favoritism. That's not what standards are for. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:36, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:::You missed my point. It's not within the current mandate, but we could redraw the line to make it our new mandate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:08, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:::I would further suggest that we've settled this issue, at least until [http://www.slashfilm.com/gobots-movie-hasbro/ something new comes along to change it], so this discussion becomes a distraction from a genuinely unsettled question. I'm not saying your arguments are invalid, Khajidha, I'm saying that everyone's heard them and there was a clear and convincing consensus against you. Sometimes when that happens, the adult and mature thing to do is concede that you're in the minority and move on. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:41, 3 November 2015 (EST)
::::Go. Make. A. GoBots. Wiki. "Problem" solved. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 19:31, 3 November 2015 (EST)

======Vote Results again for reals maybe? Focus only on Screencapture======

*Proposal: '''No Screen Captures'''
**Supporters: Xaaron, M Sipher, Thylacine 2000, Repowers, ItsWalky, Nevermore, Chris McFeely, Ascendron

*Proposal: '''Expand coverage of Ask Vector Prime GoBots to include '''limited''' "''Challenge of the Gobots''" screen captures, either in notes or main page'''
**Supporters: Giggidy, Escargon, S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47, Khajidha, Saix

*Proposal: '''Screen captures on a case by case basis'''
**Supporters: Abates, Charles RB, Riptide

This is where the current vote stands focusing entirely on the issue of screen captures. Repowers, I took the liberty of adding you to the no column. Please feel free to remove if you like. Thylacine 2000, I respect your passion but there is a difference between "my argument convinced one guy to change his proposal from screen captures in every main page section to screen captures in every notes sections" to "my argument is so good I've picked up supporters in droves." You've said lots and lots and lots of words on this subject and you're still losing 2:1.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:02, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:And you've said some pretty outrageous and dishonest words on this topic, including immediately above this. At the very least, Ascendron, Escargon, and McFeely changed their positions to be against. This is the second time in a week that you have just happened to get the results wrong in a way that just happens to benefit your side. It is really depressing, though no doubt I only feel that way because I'm a violent gaybasher or however you choose to characterize this dispute. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:23, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:I think including one image for informative purposes in the notes section is fine—just as a "this is what this character looks like". This isn't what I want, but I feel like it's a fair enough compromise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:17, 3 November 2015 (EST)
::I don't think I have misrepresented their positions, but if I do I apologize. Ascendron said he was moving to notes. McFeely came out in support of the screen capture proposal but didn't like the current way screen captures posted in the AVP comments and acknowledged by Cy-Kill were handled. Not sure what you're talking about with Escargon. But, to do due diligence, I'll follow up with all three. And I am not, and have not, and hopefully will not attack your character in any way. Also, as far as I can tell, going over the edit history, if I got the first vote wrong it was because I conservatively underestimated support for my proposal. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:27, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:::I only said my vote on including everything from Gobots probably shouldn't count since I worked on the thing. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:31, 3 November 2015 (EST)
::::Well, it would appear that an apology is in order. You, Thylacine, indeed had a better read on the vote than I. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:04, 4 November 2015 (EST)
:I'm in favour of CotG screencaps, but '''only''' in the notes. Main page inclusion is a step too far, I think, and would be more prone to "well we already do [x] why not include the whole thing". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:00, 3 November 2015 (EST)
Point of order: since the inclusion of ''COTG'' screenshots is still a potential legal issue, and one of the votes in the '''No''' column is from [[User:ItsWalky|the guy who owns the Wiki]], is a democratic vote really the proper resolution for this matter? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 10:37, 3 November 2015 (EST)
:Again, the DVDs (photos on my user page) recently released and still being distributed by Warner Bros. give copyright of everything Gobots to Hasbro, and gives the "program compilation" a shared copyright between Hasbro and Hanna-Barbera. But, this is ItsWalky's wiki. If he feels that a vote is out of order I will shut up and graciously concede defeat. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:42, 3 November 2015 (EST)
::I think the fact that AVP was not able to use screen caps from Challenge of the GoBots trumps any copyright notices on the DVD box sets, however in this case I don't think it's relevant to this Wiki being able to use them in the notes section of articles. We're talking about a bunch of articles about characters with very little fiction and no visual representation, so the question becomes a matter of "will including screencaps really make much of a difference to the information they contain?" I think screencaps make sense where a GoBots character has a visual representation like [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]] and we want to compare what they looked like in GoBots fiction to what they looked like in Transformers fiction, but not so much where the character has no Transformers representation to begin with. In this case I think it's more effective to just include a link to a GoBots site which would give more information about the GoBots character as well as visual representation. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:04, 3 November 2015 (EST)

TL;DR. My comment: Full inclusion of HB GoBots. Yes. Over my dead body.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 13:59, 3 November 2015 (EST)

The "slippery slope" argument is winning me over. I'm still in favour of ''limited'' screencaps: the ones acknowledged by AVP, the model sheets and such for key people like Bug Bite, the original Cy-Kill profile (even if we scrap the rest I'd argue for this to come in under the same reason Cobra Commander's got that kick-the-dog one, i.e. it looks better). We're likely at the limits of limited already though. Who else could we reasonably add? --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 20:26, 3 November 2015 (GMT)
:My suggestion would be screencaps, at a maximum of one per page, for 1) those characters with major enough appearance in Transformers fiction (e.g. the e-Hobby GoBots and Cy-Kill, probably a few others), and 2) those with visuals acknowledged by Ask Vector Prime. Otherwise, links are fine. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:02, 3 November 2015 (EST)

Another three days with no activity, and I'm big enough to acknowledge that the momentum has shifted. I count 8 against screen captures, 5 in favor, and 3 in favor of limited. Basically a tie, and I think ties need to go to the more conservative, i.e. not my, position. As with article creation, the screen capture issue seems to go to no change from our current policy. A long and and acrimonious road to get to the point of no change. I apologize if my arguments along the way caused offense. Hopefully we can move on. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:49, 6 November 2015 (EST)
: Fair's fair -- you help me dispose of Nevermore's dead body, and we'll call everything even. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:06, 6 November 2015 (EST)

==January 2016==
===Executive Summary===
''The first real change in 6 years. [[Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric]] is declared to be technically not Transformers fiction by [[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]], a proposal by [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]].''

==== We're all sick of arguing about GoBots ====

But here we are again. I restate my position as detailed in an AllSpark post: since moving to its own page, with Cy-Kill returning to his own universe and talking exclusively about "unmade" GoBots episodes, "Renegade Rhetoric" has become ''GoBots'' fiction, not ''Transformers'' fiction, and we do not cover GoBots fiction. Events from ''Challenge of the GoBots'' "season 2" do not warrant coverage on the wiki, and I think that any events described from the original, actually-existing cartoon should be reduced to minimum, and all GoBots characters only mentioned in these stories consolidated into simplified "List of Guardian" and "List of Renegade" pages with only brief write-ups, linking readers to our archive of the Facebook posts if they want the full scoop. Characters such as Cy-Kill and those who have actually appeared in Transformers-universe stories should, of course, retain their own articles. We have editors actively working in bad faith, manipulating Renegade Rhetoric by asking leading questions to force the inclusion of ''GoBots'' on this wiki when it has been repeatedly decided that it won't be, and I am all for an exception being made so that this type of behaviour is not rewarded. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 19:48, 6 January 2016 (EST)
: THIS WEBSITE'S EMPEROR-KING AGREES --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 20:03, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::Thirded. GoBots fiction, and cheating, do not belong here. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:05, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:100% agreement. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:06, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:::EDIT: See Below[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:07, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:::I'm in! -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 20:11, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::::I don't mind either. If nothing else, this entire debacle has taught us that GoBots and Transformers will never be able to peacefully coexist, on toy shelves or otherwise. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 20:50, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:::::I vote yes. Consolidate the GoBots pages, keep the Renegade Rhetoric page and archive. I would argue that this is a case similar to how we only documented the issues of the GI Joe Marvel comic that contained Transformers; once it stopped being Transformers, we stopped covering it. Also, you know, hopefully this will mean people will complain about the Facebook pages less. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 02:47, 7 January 2016 (EST)

Changing my vote. The RR page links to the Club page. AVP references and comments on RR. This is canon just as everything else, gaming the system or no. I may be weary, but I won't buckle. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:23, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:I second Escargon. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:21, 6 January 2016 (EST)

I don't think anyone will be surprised that I disagree. There seem to be two arguments. 1, it's not Transformers fiction. 2, editors working in bad faith. Going case by case,
1: I don't see how Renegade Rhetoric is GoBots fiction and not Transformers fiction. It's being broadcast on Axiom Nexus News, on Cybertron. It stars Cy-Kill, the hybrid Hanna-Barbara/TransTech version. It features a number of characters who are proper Transformers, from the Aligned continuity and the Unictron Trilogy, and more who are powered by sparks stolen from Mirror Alpha Trion's lab. That seems to be the main intellectual foundation for the argument, and I'll grant that it's novel, but I think it's flawed.
2: Were some editors (including me, I'll admit) asking leading questions? Yes, we were. It seems to have largely stopped, mostly because the column stopped rewarding it. But that applies to ALL of Ask Vector Prime, and that's undoubtedly canon. Are we going to start trying to look at the motivation of every creator now and altering coverage accordingly? Milne draws Hot Shot as dead to poke at Walky, should we undocument that?

And now, additional factors. I hate making slippery slope arguments, but really, the real reason we're having this conversation and everyone knows it is that there's a sizable block of people who don't like the content. That's what all of this boils down to. And if the wiki starts picking and choosing what to document, or at what detail to document, based on that, then it will have well and truly lost its way. Because if we decide that we can come up with a pseudo-logical justification to exclude this content, then we'll use it as precedent and do it again. All of Ask Vector Prime. Kiss Players. The Beast Within. That weird retcon about Cyclonus and Bombshell from a video. Big swaths of the Dreamwave run. I don't see it ending. Yes, people are sick of arguing, but this policy will lead to more, not less, arguments.

Another, lesser factor, is that these pages are already made. So we're proposing going through some 200 articles that are already created in compliance with this wiki's policies and changing them due to an exception, making more work for ourselves to make the wiki less informative.

And a third factor, is that these posts are popular. Ask Vector Prime's readership is in the thousands. Every post gets liked, shared, commented upon. People are enjoying it, and some of them will come here to see what we have to say about it. The cost of having a possibly extraneous article is negligible, but the cost of not having an article is real.

I also think that we should do what we always do on weighty matters, and have the debate first and THEN call for a vote. I would suggest that all the "seconded" to the proposal are premature. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:38, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:I'm with Gigs, I know we are volunteering, but this s still service, and we are still educators. There is a responsibility to inform the populace, if RR content was exclusively GoBots, there may be some argument, given we don't cover FunPub Gi Joe fiction or even Diaclone fiction(if it exists) even though the later is a TF universe technically. But given the bleed of TF lore and concepts I feel it is in our scope. Also it's kind of really petty to ignore like, reams of content because of a parliamentary beef. I vote to keep the GoBots season 2 stuff. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 23:07, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:''the real reason we're having this conversation and everyone knows it is that there's a sizable block of people who don't like the content. That's what all of this boils down to.''
:NO. No. No no no. I don't give a rip about the content itself either way. (I mean, okay, I think the endless supply of numbering universes and other such non-story wankery is dumb and pointless and has made a Big Giant Thing of something that was meant to be just a sidelong atmospheric technical footnote in a couple of years-ago stories, but that's not the point.)
:No. The point is that this content is being created explicitly and for no other purpose than to circumvent the wiki's rules, to alter its content and organization, by fans who otherwise were unable to get their way on the very content in question. It's not being done as part of a story in any meaningful sense. It's not a unintended side effect by some uninformed pro writer. It's not part of a carefully considered larger universe. It's not something dictated from on high within Hasbro. It's purposefully, transparently, and most of all ''pointlessly'' manipulative, seemingly all because a handful of OCD minds can't handle the thought of a 30 year old cartoon not being related to another 30 year old cartoon.
:THAT is what I and, I presume, other editors don't like. Because it's bullshit. Canon generated by bullshit -- maybe we should consider treating it accordingly. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 20:53, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::This is true, but irrelevant, the wiki picking favorites with the AVP 2week limit was down the slope enough but using the out of universe background of something as an excuse to ignore fiction is totally hugged. Its not as if Jim and co are mindless robots, this is official fiction with all the research, skill, heart and passion that entails, blanking it out and other such special efforts is parliamentary minutiae. Who cares if people are gaming the system, the writers are big boys, they know what they are doing and in fact are often intimately aware of how this goes down. We have to stop acting like AVP is some puppet of a nebulous group of wiki villians instead of a dozen grown ass men and women making editorially supervised official fiction that happens to be done by fans like so many other franchises. We can't play diddle the lasagna with our rules just because the creators are iniated into our wanky insanity, if Ichikawa is going to make a Prowl 2 madcap adventure, Jim is going to make Cloud G1 for some reason and GoBots stuff starts bleeding, who are we to judge? That's basically with this whole thing, the wiki's "purity" is to be impartial, if snarky, recorder, we log it all and may be smart asses about it, but it's all in.

Besides the funpub stuff doesn't have the HB/Bandai legal issue anyway. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 23:19, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::I call bullshit on your bullshit. Because if you have been reading Renegade Rhetoric, it's hilarious. It's practically daily new episodes of an 80s cartoon that get the tone spot-on perfect. It's passionate, it has good stories, it even manages to have good characters despite most episodes being about 2 pages long. And none of it is about circumventing wiki rules. If it was, they'd have stopped doing it once they got everyone in, but they haven't. They're telling new stories, and they're quality, and I defy anyone who is actually reading them to disagree with that. Because, really, I'd love a show of hands, how many of the people who are voting no have actually read a single Renegade Rhetoric Season 2 episode? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 20:57, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:::You yourself said you and others "were asking leading questions until you stopped getting rewarded for it." This is not the place for such a "reward." That kind of "reward" does not belong here and the entire mechanism for gaining it is what really subverts our rules for inclusion. Any alleged humor in Renegade Rhetoric now is just, as the saying goes, the fruit of the poisoned tree. Also, the debates have been had, since 2007 at least. Also also, "people will want to come here to see more RR/GoBots articles" leaves me quite unmoved. They can see RR on RR, they can read about GoBots on Counter-X, and in the year 2016 they can make their own GoBot wiki. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:20, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::::Your "fruit of the poisonous tree" argument leaves me unmoved. Because, according to this proposal, ALL OF THAT STUFF WILL STAY. Because that's all from the Axiom Nexus bit not covered by Chris McFeely's proposal. So you'll leave the poisonous tree, and get rid of all the fruit. Because that makes sense. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 21:23, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::This was created because the fans voted for it, after a whole month of guests colummist. Some of these fans have been taking advantage of it, yes, but that's not why it was created.[[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:00, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:: The thing is that the RR stories ''are'' funny and clever and well-written, but fundamentally they don't have anything to do with TFs. They're using characters and settings that were never created by Hasbro/Takara. If, say, Renegade Rhetoric wrote a story where Cy-Kill was on an adventure and bumped into Optimus Prime, then yeah, that particular escapade could be added to the wiki, but fundamentally Renegade Rhetoric is Gobots fanfiction; well written fanfic, but basically completely outside this wiki's coverage sphere. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 21:20, 6 January 2016 (EST)
I vote no to this proposal as a whole. Whilst I'm not a fan of wiki gaming, the GoBots stuff happening these days is nothing like that. They're fun stories for the sake of fun, and I'd be sad to see them banished. (I could probably deal with "List of Guardians" and "List of Renegades" articles, though.) [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 21:10, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:Yeah, or at least group articles for a good number of them. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:11, 6 January 2016 (EST)
If I say yes, will people actually go back to making significant contributions instead of complaining about everything AVP does? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:15, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::No. If you say yes to this proposal, it will lead to more arguments, more complaining about AVP, and then Thy will say, "hey, it worked well for GoBots, let's undo all 1000 AVP articles." Remember, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." I urge you to vote with your conscience and not give in to a crowd to try to forestall an argument, for this change WILL open the floodgates. Plus, it will lead to people spending time UNDOING informative articles they don't like rather than making informative articles they do. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 21:19, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::::It was really a rhetorical question. I don't give a fuck about GoBots being on this wiki because it doesn't impede my ability to edit pages I care about and I really wish people would focus their energies they clearly have on filling out articles and not complaining. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:01, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:::Just upthread you were saying that this is allegedly "really" about people just acting out of some low personal distaste for GoBots. Yet this is now the second time in as many days that you've posed your own actions as being some sort of reaction / pre-emption '''''of me personally'''''. Do not do that again. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::::Actually, I meant a low personal distaste for the FB content. Happy to clarify. And yes, I dropped your name with a probable course of action. That was probably crossing a line, and I apologize. On the other hand, was I wrong? Are you willing to commit to no further proposals, votes, or executive actions to try to minimize the footprint of AVP? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:15, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:::I didn't even think about this, but it makes a lot of sense. Any breaking of the rule of putting What Is Canon before anything else (when that's been the wiki's entire modus operandi up until this started) is a dangerous path to follow. [[User:Sky Shadow|Sky Shadow]] ([[User talk:Sky Shadow|talk]]) 21:25, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:I got Armada and Energon DVDs for Christmas. Sure. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:17, 6 January 2016 (EST)
Like Escargon and Giggidy, I am against this proposal. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 21:34, 6 January 2016 (EST)

So I'm only a recent editor of this Wiki, but I've been reading it religiously for years. And as a deeply devoted and long time TF fan, despite what some may feel, AVP, RR, and the collective of Club FB Pages have been some of the most entertaining pieces of TF canon. Yes, Go-Bots has a different lineage than the rest of Transformers proper, but at least since the Almanacs, and especially through these FB Pages, Go-Bots has become recognized as legitimate canon within the TF Multiverse. While I admit to being a completionist, and ideally, I'd love to see the entirety of Go-Bots, Brave, Zoids, etc. covered on this wiki due to their relation with Transformers; but worry not, for I understand that realistically, that truly would become far too distractedly cluttered - which is why I can even agree with not having extensive coverage for anything Go-Bots related that is outside of anything under the umbrella of Transformers. But as it was mentioned earlier, Renegade Rhetoric is treated with the same regard as Ask Vector Prime, Spacewarp's Logs and all the Axiom Nexus News Pages. It may not be "directly" Transformers, but it's far more intertwined than the 80's cartoon. No, people shouldn't be abusing to ability to have canon produced just for the sake of the Wiki, but that REALLY doesn't seem to be the case with what RR is producing currently. They're great stories in good fun, and I believe they should be treated as being just as much canon as any other TF media. I vote to include it. Hail Cy-KIll! [[User:IKY|IKY]]

I vote '''Yes''' for removal. Let the Talk:Main Page read forevermore: THE FUNNY STAYS. GOBOTS DO NOT. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 22:24, 6 January 2016 (EST)

A lot of people seem to be in favour of retaining them because they're good, entertaining stories, but I don't think anyone on the "get rid of them" side is disputing that. The issue is they are GoBots stories, not Transformers stories. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:51, 6 January 2016 (EST)
:I posted a detailed rebuttal as to how they're Transformers stories. The fact that it's done under a Transformers license. The conceit that, in universe, these are pirate broadcasts on Axiom Nexus News. The fact that many of the Renegades are, in story, Cybertronians. (Puzzler, Monsterous, Wendy's GoBots, more.) The fact that Cy-Kill is the TransTech design. The fact that Vector Prime comments on the occasional question posted on Renegade Rhetoric. It brings us to a fascinating philosophical question... what is a Transformers story? But these stories seem to fit. Just as a thought experiment, if one of the issues of Transformers: Sector 7 followed around, say, Rasputin for a whole issue, and didn't have any Transformers in it... would it still be a Transformers story? I guess I'm saying that yes, it would. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:55, 6 January 2016 (EST)
::If an issue of Transformers: Sector 7 did not have any Transformers in it, I think people would be asking IDW some rather pointed questions about WTF they were doing. Also I think the important part here is these are still GoBots characters, even if they have been relabeled Cybertronians. If the club started producing Voltron fiction where the Voltron lions were actually inert Cybertronians, I think we'd avoid detailing that too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:31, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:::I don't think either hypothetical is helping the discussion. (The answer is that we would detail both because they unambiguously fall under the Transformers brand.) [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:46, 7 January 2016 (EST)
=====Walky Calls It=====
So anyway, I see a bunch of votes in favor from people who've actually been on this site more than five minutes, versus mostly one folk who's admitted they've done exactly what was pissing us all off to begin with -- ie, asking AVP stuff for the express purpose of making stuff canonical. Like, literally gaming our decade-old website in bad faith. With that in mind, INCLUDING THE KIND OF IMPORTANT FACT THAT THIS WEBSITE IS NOT ACTUALLY A DEMOCRACY ANYWAY, I pass Chris McFeely's motion, as your Emperor-King. It is done! Discussion over, forever and ever and ever. The wiki is saved. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 06:14, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:One person? I count at least 7, with only one who had just signed up. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:21, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:And just because you own the wiki, doesn't mean that all decisions are up to you, nor are they all necessarily correct. Ex: The splitting out of the G2 Gobots pages from their main G1 versions. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:29, 7 January 2016 (EST)
::I mean... it kind of does? He owns the place. He's the head admin. He has veto power. The userbase voting on things is just convention, not actual rules. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 06:59, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:: Sigh, "more than five minutes" was hyperbole. What I meant is editors who have been here since 2006 instead of WEEKS. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 06:33, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:::First recorded activity of Sky Shadow: August 2011. My first recorded activity: Febuary 2013. S.H.I.E.L.D Agent's: April 2015. Giggidy's: June 2015. Foffy's: December 2015. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:41, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:::: Thank you for helping me out! You're handing my own point back to me giftwrapped. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 06:45, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:::::I doubt this counts for anything, but I've been ''reading'' the wiki since, like, 2011 or so. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 06:54, 7 January 2016 (EST)

So, Chris makes a proposal at 19:46 on 1/6. This is something that he's specifically floated past the forum where old-school wiki editors hang out and driven up buy in, so they he naturally gets a slew of votes immediately, sans any discussion. I rebut, to the best of my ability, and over the course of (checks watch) eleven hours, votes start to come in on an admittedly hot-button topic. A disproportionate number of votes come in from the younger, newer editors, many of whom seem to have come in specifically because of an interest in the material being covered. (Which, in and of itself, might tell you something.) The vote starts to not go towards the proposal, so, again, after less than half a day of debate, Walky calls it. Not because he's so clearly winning, but specifically because he's losing. Well, yeah, I guess it is your wiki, but I never got the impression that this meant the rest of us don't have a vote. I find that highly dispiriting.

Now, again, I'll point out what I said above. Normally for big decisions, we have a discussion. There's a back-and-forth. People state their cases, other people answer them. And we have a bit of that here. But normally we'd debate this for two, three days, let everyone have their say before we even START voting.

As to the quality of the editors, you're absolutely right, we're a younger crowd. But three of us voting are in the top 10 for number of edits in the past month, and I'm much lower than I would have been before the 2 week delay on Ask Vector Prime. Hell, Foffy the Sheep ALONE has more edits in the past month than EVERYONE voting against him COMBINED. SHIELD too. We're the actual worker bees, keeping the wiki running.

I would suggest that our perspectives matter. I would suggest that it's normal and natural and healthy that the new guard looks at what the old guard is doing and says "we can do better" and vigorously attempts to do so. And, further, that it's normal and healthy for the old guard to look at what the new guard is doing, and say, "those crazy kids. They're ruining everything. Why, in our day..." And then the new kids can learn from the old, and the old can perhaps temper the new, and everyone wins. But short-circuiting that process because we're new and young is absolutely the wrong move, sends the wrong message, and will cause more harm than good in the future. I urge you to reconsider, and let the discussion and eventual vote run its course. Because, again, the cure may be worse than the disease.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:28, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:A bit of a digression, but I don't think what you said about me and several others being top contributors is very accurate. If I make 200 edits to fix a link (such as going through pages and changing every instance of <nowiki>[[Lightfoot]]</nowiki> to <nowiki>[[Lightfoot (Masterforce)|Lightfoot]]</nowiki>, for example), have I really contributed more than someone who made one edit to write an entire summary? That's a matter of opinion, really. To clarify, I'm not saying that people who make minor edits are worthless, I'm just saying that the number of edits you make aren't necessarily a good representation of how much you've contributed. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:55, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:Chris, Walky, Thy, Sipher, Repowers, Grum, me, Xaaron, Jalaguy and Tigerpaw28 vs Escargon, SHIELD, you, Lush, Sky Shadow, Foffy, and... IKY, who I've never heard of before. That's 10 to 7 in favour, even without Walky's proclamation. I'd argue against Walky using veto power here if there was a clear consensus against it, but there isn't. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:49, 7 January 2016 (EST)
::I'm, uh, late to the party, but I would definitely throw my support behind the McFeely Proposal. And that's coming from someone who'd fight tooth and claw to keep other AVP content on the wiki. But regardless, Walky still had every right to call it as he did. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 09:12, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:::Also late to the party, and also in favor of McFeely's proposal. As he said it is effectively Go-Bots fanfiction. There's next nothing in the Rhetoric answers that actually ties it to Transformers fictionally. [[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 13:06, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:There's not a clear ANYTHING, because the debate lasted less than 12 hours with many prominent voices having yet to weigh in. What we have is schism, and typically on an issue this big we want an overwhelming majority. The vote is extremely skewed by the front waiting, due to drumming up support for the proposition offsite. More than half of the yes votes came immediately after the proposition was made, with no votes trickling in gradually but steadily all night.
:But, really, Riptide, your opinion doesn't matter on this at all. Neither does mine, or Escargons. Walky has decided that this topic doesn't warrant debate, so the only person whose opinion matters on undoing this decision is Walky's. I'm hoping he at least reads and consider is my argument. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:02, 7 January 2016 (EST)
::Well, yes, that's my ''point''. We have a schism, which is why I think it's fair enough that the head admin gets to call it in the absence of an overwhelming majority. Should he have waited longer? Probably, but I don't think the ''concept'' is inherently unfair. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:06, 7 January 2016 (EST)
:::The seniority argument is a bit creepy though. Do we really want to say "you've only been here since last June, you count less"? I've been here since 2007, I don';t think it helps anyone if I can pull out the Old Guard card if I'm having a spat with someone more recent. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 14:23, 7 January 2016 (GMT)
:Giggidy, whatever you have to say on this matter is absolutely worthless to me. As you yourself have admitted, you tried to create canon on this wiki by gaming AVP for answers. The problem is you. Why would I listen to you? The weeks-old folks are in the top edits now? That's because the current AVP-heavy focus is discouraging all the other regular editors, because it's such an avalanche of bad faith canon addition that to some it just doesn't seem worth it any more to contribute. If there's a dispute? One side Asks Vector Prime. It's a fucking cancer. It's squeezing out the rest of this wiki. Nobody's here anymore to finish up articles that need updating, they're just here to create canon via AVP. That is how my limited time is wasted on here now, managing all this dumb AVP shit, and lately I've found it too aggravating to even bother. If you keep making this whole enterprise a worthless bad-faith chore? Yeah, the website's going to go away, because why am I spending fucking money on this? So, yeah, I kinda do make the final call! Super sorry, guy who's only been here since June and only does the shit that frustrates everyone else away from here! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:34, 7 January 2016 (EST)
::That's...really meanspirited Walky. You have every right to make that call, but a wiki like any community is a evolving system, if the majority of the user/editor base has shifted to Y, then as a wiki, Y is the nature of the scene. The idea that the community doesn't matter because of what the owner believes is a real strike against the spirit of this all. A straight vote would have been fine, but the precedent that if the editors shift one way that the wiki tells them to hug off, instead of the wiki naturally evolving with it's users is a dangerous precedent. We all came here as a celebration and communion of our fandom, what fandom means and how we express that differs but we all hold the true heart of the fan within us, and no one deserves to be shut down because there passion doesn't match up totally with anothers. To a significant portion, that Ask Vector Prime shit ''is'' there Transformers, it's there fandom, and cutting it out or stomping it down because you feel it should not be here is to neglect the heart love and passions others have for this. I spent all of my college career and most of High School here, I have spent hundreds hours on this site being whisked away into this fantasy; seeing countless adventures and mythos and drawing connections and ties between lore like some comparative mythologist of old. That was ''my'' fandom, that was ''my'' passion, and I know it is not yours and I would never say yours doesnt have a right to exist; we are equal here and there is no reason why we cannot peacefully and respectfully co exist and give proper due to ''all'' facets of the fandom. This is a demographic shift, a culture clash, between the "original" community (itself not how the wiki began as) and a newer culture grown from the seeds sown by our for bearers and a shifting attitude in the media that has changed this little mystery cult over time. But that's okay. Fans have grown up gone pro, influenced fiction, beget fans of there own and now what they bred has come into it's own. I am not asking for a free pass on anything, I am not trying to fight for special treatment, all I am saying is that differing views and experiences of the fandom and the wiki itself should be allowed to exist , grow and change without one voice lording dominant because they are the owner.

You know what Tf means to us, you know what it means to all of us. We ''all'' do. So please dont declare this war, please, allow everyone on the wiki the right to act edit and function for the harmony of us all and our readers. We can do this, together. [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 22:19, 7 January 2016 (EST)
::I, uh...
::Huh.
::I honestly thought I was helping. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 14:55, 7 January 2016 (EST)

=====Epilogue: It's all over but the crying=====
:This was supposed to be a short reponse to Lush City, but it quickly grew, and as it did so, I began to re-evaluating my initial opinion on this matter. Bear with me through this wall of text, won't you please?

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>clears throat* I think part of the reason some many of the editors on this wiki, including myself, have grown to resent GoBots so much is because of the mass amount of bullshit that is generated every time they're discussed. This discussion grew more in a day than most others do in a week; even big, huge drawn-out arguments like [[Talk:Grand Galvatron|the Grand Galvatron fiasco]] that have reached an ''ungodly'' length pale in comparison to this one, and there are several other GoBots discussions just like this one. You know what they all have in common? They ''NEVER. GET. ANYWHERE''. This exact discussion has been rehashed several times over the course of the past 6 years or so, and I imagine that's pretty tiresome for the people who have been here to each and every massive GoBots bitchfest unfold one after the other. Hell, I've only had to deal with one day of GoBots discussion and I'm already sick of it! I can't even ''begin'' to imagine what it must be like to deal with this shit on multiple different occasions over the course of several years, but I bet it's unpleasant.

:When we first starting mentioning the GoBots and making pages to discuss their relevence to Transformers, it was like taking a puppy we found on the street and bringing him into our house. He was so cute and harmless, how could we ''not'' let him in? So we fed him and played with him and took care of him. As we did so, that cute little puppy slowly but surely grew into a vicious 80 pound behemoth that had a trail of destruction following it wherever it went. It may be the cutest dog ever, but it's harassing the neighbors and covering the house in fecal matter. Not only that, but it ate the sofa. It's more trouble than it's worth.

:Dog <s>metaphors</s> similes aside, seeing this discussion has really changed my tune regarding Go-Bots. It's fun to have it, yes, but not fun enough to justify the massive bitchfests that take place every time someone tries to discuss what the length and scope of GoBots coverage should be. When Walky said he was ending this argument, I don't think he was just talking about this one particular instance of the debate that took place over the last 24 hours so much as the entirety of the various GoBots arguments over the past six years. And perhaps it's for the best; it seems that the inclusion GoBots on {{SITENAME}} has brought nothing but suffering. I think we should really only be covering GoBots stuff from official Transformers fiction, and if we're honest, Renegade Rhetoric no longer falls into that category. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 00:42, 8 January 2016 (EST)

{{note|Somewhere around this point, I remembered that Walky had already kinda-sorta ended the debate. (I say "kinda-sorta" because it continued on in spite of this to some extent.). I took a look at what I'd written, said to myself "Well, shit. I gotta do ''something'' with that." So I slapped this note on here and posted the whole kit and kaboodle onto the community portal, relevance be damned. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 00:42, 8 January 2016 (EST)}}

:I get what you are saying, but does that make GoBots the problem, or the fighting? Even so, I don't see that as a necessarily bad thing. We come together, debate, and reason out the best course of action, then keep on it until the situation changes and we come to a new consensus. That's exactly what a healthy Parliamentary body should do. When RR came up we discussed it and came to a decision, what I was showing concern about was Walky using judgment calls to prerserve demographic integrity, it felt a lot like there is an image of who this wiki is for, and that it would be enforced despite the actual editor/userbase. The idea that a wiki, or any community is served by the people instead of the other way around is a dangerous precedent so I am concerned of what will happen with future "culture clashes." [[User:Lush City|Lush City]] ([[User talk:Lush City|talk]]) 12:41, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::I say leave tomorrow's worries to tomorrow. We'll handle them when we get to them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 13:16, 8 January 2016 (EST)

::You make a good point, Lush City. Yeah, we ''will'' have to get together and lay down the new rules for this or whatever, but it's best if we give everyone a little time to simmer down and take everything in before we do so. This will eventually all be worked out in good time. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 15:24, 8 January 2016 (EST)

how unfair do i have to make this place for lush city to leave --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:32, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:Let's not be overly harsh. We shouldn't make people feel like they are unwelcomed unless they are being purposefully offensive, or disagreeable for its own sake. Or are outright breaking rules. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 15:49, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:: I am being exactly harsh enough. I'm pretty sure I kind of said to end all this shit because it's strangling the fucking wiki to death! Being able to put a foot down like that is WHY WE HAVE ADMINS. But sure, by all means, let's argue GoBots for the sixteenth billion time and continue to alienate everyone, because having someone even nominally in charge is fascism i guess. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:13, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::Isn't Lush City the guy who argued that IDW somehow wasn't G1? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:20, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::I'm sorry that I came off as disrespectful, that was not my intent. I just wanted to say that so long as people are able to abide by administrative decisions, and respective the of the hierarchy, I bare no ill will towards them. I didn't mean my statement to be seen as an attack towards you, or an attempt to undermine your authority. It came off that way though, so I apologize again. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 00:58, 9 January 2016 (EST)

=====Questions and self reflection=====
So, Walky said basically that I'm the problem, or part of it. And I don't want to be. I've got a lot of energy and I find wiki editing a relaxing way to unwind. I like puzzling through the connections and figuring out those ah ha moments when I feel like I can glimpse into the author's head and guess what they were thinking. So. How do I use that to be useful? I've done thousands of edits since I signed up and I really thought most of them were welcome and appropriate. Please, someone, point me in the right direction. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:03, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:All I can offer is the same advice from our [[Starscream (Armada)|Ulchtar]] discussion: "''Be helpful, don't just be busy.''" I mean this as helpful criticism, but you do seem to confuse the two. Above, when you tried to call attention to Foffy the Sheep's value by saying, "''Look how many contributions he makes a day!''", even Foffy pointed out most of that was just adding links. Valid contributions, no doubt, but it isn't what makes someone a VIP contributor. I've been here since 2006. I created many of the original G1 character pages, filled out the fiction sections for every Mini-Con in the Armada cartoon and every secondary character in ''Headmasters'', but I still consider myself a mid-level contributor at best.
:Part of the problem is you came in during the AVP flurry of activity, which wasn't a good example of how the Wiki typically operates. Moving pages back and forth, renaming articles, votes on content...these used to be extremely rare events around here, once every six months or so. So what you might have seen as standard, day-to-day activity here was really a rare hassle becoming increasingly more common and grating on the nerves of the admins and long-time contributors without you even knowing it.
:I haven't read through your contributions section, so I don't know what besides AVP you like to contribute. I know some of the fiction sections have become drastically out of date. With so many contributors focused on using AVP or cleaning up after it, pages like Rodimus's IDW appearances haven't been updated in nearly two years! I routinely troll the character stubs section linked on the first page to find things to do. Depending on your preference, there's also Images Needed and Wanted Pages to create linked on the front page, too.
:Only other advice I'd offer is, for the moment, work more on contributing to the Wiki in its current format, instead of questioning or trying to change the format itself. That's my advice. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:50, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::I've found that another good way to help is by going through [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Special:LonelyPages Orphaned pages list] and linking them to the relevant articles, or making sure that the disambiguation pages mention every applicable character. Some of the character disambig pages are missing links to their Angry Birds counterparts, and I suspect that the same may be true for some of the Kreon versions of characters. There's also [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki:Community_Portal/Underlinked this] list of articles that aren't linked to enough; it might be slightly outdated, but it's pretty useful. I thought maybe my experience as a fairly new editor might be helpful to you; I hope this turns out to be the case. (Side note: I was unaware that moving articles and such used to be a rare occurence; I'll try to keep that in mind and avoid such things whenever possible.) -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 19:10, 8 January 2016 (EST)

===== Reviving the Sister Wiki =====

So, I'm not going to argue about getting Gobots information on here anymore. However, this has made me want to actually go ahead and make that sister wiki. Now, I have no clue how to work with anything more than the most basic softwear, but I'd actively contribute to such a wiki. Is there anyone else who would? And if so, is there anyone who could set up a site? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:26, 8 January 2016 (EST)
: I'd be happy to contribute/move pages and info over from this wiki to any hypothetical Gobots wiki. That said, I have no software experience either, so I'm in the dark there along with you. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 18:59, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::Maybe we could ask abates or something like that. If Derik was here, he could probably set something up. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:07, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:::http://www.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page I have no real interest in GoBots nor any particular technical skill, but this seems like your best bet for setting up a wiki. It's Mediawiki, so it should work pretty much the same as this site (just, you know, without templates. Or a custom skin, unless you can get someone to do that. Or a unique url. Or content.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 19:10, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::::I'd love to help out with this. I think with what I've seen about fights on TFWiki about GoBots, this would be a good solution, and then the pages that actually would exist here could link to there. I don't know much about GoBots or site editing, but I've been enjoying Renegade Rhetoric and would like to learn more about the GoBots. If this occurs, please let me know and I'll learn/teach myself what I need to help. Would this GoBots wiki consist of the AVP and related stuff also? "[[User:SoundJack426|SoundJack426]] ([[User talk:SoundJack426|talk]]) 20:40, 8 January 2016 (EST)"
:::::Yes, which brings me to my next point: One more thing I want to ask about any potential sister Gobots wiki: would we add Rock Lords information there too? Cause they were marketed separately, but they pretty much exclusively showed up in Gobots fiction, aside from the random storybook. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2016 (EST)

I've been amazingly busy, but I still want to come back to this. I did make some attempts at cobbling some stuff, quickly realizing I'm still stuck with my understanding of coding at Windows XP Microsoft word and having no understanding of what any of this stuff means. However, I do want to at least try to make this wiki happen. I'd have to wait till summer to make any real big push with this, but in the meantime, if anyone can offer any means or advice, it would be appreciated. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:31, 26 January 2016 (EST)

==February 2016==
===Executive Summary===
''Clarification of existing status of GoBots on the wiki. Crossover GoBots get full write-up, with brief Renegade Rhetoric summaries.''
==== Question about GoBots....not the one you are thinking of ====

Is there any objection to my adding External Links to Counter-X's Challenge of the GoBots profile pages to the character pages here? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:54, 3 February 2016 (EST)
:I was doing it only in lieu of TFU.info links. TFU seems to be our standard for outside toys links and we typically don't do others unless TFU lacks them for some reason. But I dunno if there's a legit policy about it or not. (that said, Counter X is a great GoBot-centric resource and probably more informative than TFU, just my opinion) --[[User:DrSpengler|DrSpengler]] ([[User talk:DrSpengler|talk]]) 10:58, 3 February 2016 (EST)
::Counter-X has actual cartoon bio pages to link to, not just toy reviews.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2016 (EST)
:::I don't think there's any issue with adding informative links. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:31, 3 February 2016 (EST)
::::Okay, Renegade-related pages linked. I'll tackle the Guardians later. Unless someone else wants to do it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:27, 5 February 2016 (EST)
:::::Guardian-related pages linked. I changed format a time or two, I will go back later and harmonize ALL of them. Unless someone else beats me to it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:52, 22 February 2016 (EST)

OK, just to clarify, what Chris McFeely proposed last month was this: ''"GoBots characters only mentioned in Renegade Rhetoric stories consolidated into simplified 'List of Guardian' and 'List of Renegade' pages with only brief write-ups, linking readers to our archive of the Facebook posts if they want the full scoop. Characters such as Cy-Kill and those who have actually appeared in Transformers-universe stories should, of course, retain their own articles."'' So, it's permissible to write up full articles for characters who appear in the crossover fiction, yes, detailing their adventures in said crossover fiction? Those who only appear in Renegade Rhetoric get consolidated into a list with brief description of their Renegade Rhetoric adventures with links to the RR/src archive. And for the characters who do appear in crossover fiction, their Renegade Rhetoric adventures get that brief description with link to archive. I don't want to do work that will get reverted or start an argument, which is why I'm double-checking what Chris proposed and the community agreed.

If my understanding is correct, I'll try to write up the crossover fiction stuff, and then take a stab at consolidating whoever's left. I thought I remembered seeing a sandbox of consolidation, did anyone make any progress on that?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:55, 25 February 2016 (EST)
:Considering that we now list it as "Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric", does that distinction still apply? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:21, 25 February 2016 (EST)
::Let's not bring up old wounds and rehash old arguments. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:43, 25 February 2016 (EST)
:::Chris's proposal was based on the idea that Renegade Rhetoric wasn't Transformers fiction. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:50, 25 February 2016 (EST)
::::Jim has stated before that the "Transformers" part of the title doesn't really mean anything and shouldn't be taken too seriously. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 09:53, 25 February 2016 (EST)
:::::I guess I can't argue against that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:57, 25 February 2016 (EST)
::::::I would, however, argue that the RR appearances of characters who have other TF fiction appearances should be on their pages and not just on the archive. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:01, 25 February 2016 (EST)
::::::: I don't want to argue about anything. I just want to confirm that I am correctly understanding and interpreting what was decided.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:10, 25 February 2016 (EST)

So... no opinions on this? I'm maybe 90% sure I'm right in my interpretation, but I'd love Chris or Walky to weigh in just to be certain. If no one cares anymore, I'll assume I'm right and get started. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:46, 26 February 2016 (EST)
:Yep, your summary matches what I envisioned. I started [[User:Chris_McFeely/Sandbox:ListofRenegades|this sandbox]] for the Renegades but I've been busy. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 10:30, 26 February 2016 (EST)
::Great. I'll try to get some progress done this weekend. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:20, 26 February 2016 (EST)
:::I would say, though, that it'd be worth linking to at least one of the TFU/Counter-X profiles from these list pages, given that they provide useful context ''without'' it being the wiki's coverage; in particular, the likes of Jack Attack and Decker Decker, who (on the sandbox as it stands) don't give any indication of which unused Machine Robo toys they're based on, meaning it would be pretty much impossible for casual readers to track them down. I remember that someone proposed using a table instead of headers for the list pages; maybe have a column in the table for Counter-X links? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:40, 26 February 2016 (EST)

==March 2016==
===Executive Summary===
''After the publication of [[Echoes and Fragments]] makes the previous ruling on Renegade Rhetoric moot, the community declares that ALL Facebook GoBots material is off limits on the grounds that we simply don't like it / it causes too many arguments, whether or not it is Transformers fiction.''

====Echoes and Fragments====
{{note|This conversation originally took place on the [[Echoes and Fragments]] story page.}}

=====Initial Discussion=====
If ever we were given cause to kill individual GoBots pages, this disgusting masturbatory horseshit is '''''it'''''. If ever there was doubt that these things were being done to end-run and abuse the wiki, it's dead. Jesus fucking Christ. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 02:32, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:Finding it hard to argue with you. I mean.. geez. This is a lot of effort put into something for inconsequential stuff... Imagine if people put this much effort into... making a Go-Bots wiki. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 02:46, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::Jesus. I mean, I was in favour of this story getting its own page, but this is just... not good. I might try clearing it up and cutting it down, significantly, because oh ''dear''. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 03:04, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:::I admit that if this page were to be deleted, I would probably not care. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 03:06, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::::I hate to bring emotions into my decision, and I might regret just posting this but, at this point, I want to suggest going one step further and just having the Gobots links just go to the appropriate pages on Wikipedia. If a Gobots wiki is ever made, we can change them then to go to that wiki. For goodness's sake, we're a Transformers wiki. That's what I WANT to do here. And it's starting to drain me being in the middle of this. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 03:07, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:::::For what it's worth, Jim told me not to bother writing up this article because the wiki had instituted its no-GoBot rule. I told him he was wrong, that it was only Renegade Rhetoric that was considered out of scope, and even checked on community portal. He said the community had decided it didn't like GoBots and just respect their right to ignore the bits it doesn't like. Is that what's happening here? Is this the wiki of all the Transformers canon except the parts we don't like? Because if so there's some really creepy misogynistic bits I wouldn't mind removing/just linking to Wikipedia for. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 03:30, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::::::The difference is, those warts in transformers fiction is still Tranformers fiction. This is like... really stretching the definition? There's a few other character's I've considered suggesting collapsing into a single list article. Kamen Riders being one of them. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 03:44, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:::::::(Yes, I edited a part of my previous post because it came off WAY more mean than I wanted it to). Really, alright, saying we should link them off might be going too far. In my ideal world, where everything would be perfect, the Gobots wiki would be a sister wiki of this one in every way. It would have the same layout, the same policies, and you could segway from one to the other easy as pie. But no matter how much people SAY they want to make a GoBots wiki, no one actually DOES. Surely you can understand how frustrating it is that people seem so intent to just force this wiki to bear the load of TWO franchises? --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 03:55, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::::::::I don't think that's what's going on here. Jim seemed perfectly fine with this stuff not being on the wiki. I really think he just has fun writing GoBots stories and is happy that Hasbro lets him. I guess it's my own OCD that makes me want to write up the GoBots who meet Transformers here, just like we do with Marvel heroes and G.I. Joe characters.
::::::::And as to this "stretching the definition" of a story... does it? Did you read it? I laughed out loud at several parts and found the juxtaposition of GoBots elements with the overly familiar Transformers The Movie story rather clever. Blaster getting swapped for Blaster, Leader-1's corny response to "why throw away your life so recklessly", Fracture and Deadlift as Unicron upgrades for Crasher and Deadlift. It's a good read, and virtually every scene has a traditional Transformer in it. So, to call it not a Transformers story seems unfair. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 04:13, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:::::::::Forget it, you win. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 04:16, 1 March 2016 (EST)

I was just ''waiting'' for this story to shit everything up. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 04:58, 1 March 2016 (EST)

Okay, so... as an extended story, I think this warrants its own page, yes. (As Jim pointed out, the original is only slightly shorter than the upcoming Beast Wars: Uprising story.) And it ''is'' heavily Transformers-based, as opposed to being more-or-less pure GoBots fiction like Renegade Rhetoric is. But I think that, really, 70-80% of this article could be replaced with "events followed as in Transformers: The Movie, except with these GoBots replacing these Transformers", because... that's what it is. We don't need full descriptions of anything except the Sideways/Vector/Gong parts. (Also, the sooner we condense the GoBot character pages, the better. All those red links are making me nervous that someone's going to start adding them.) --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 05:32, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:And that's exactly what I'm advocating. The page SHOULD exist. But really. ''REALLY''. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:55, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::I would also like to add that I don't consider this justification to give the GoBots who appear in it individual articles, but I don't know if anyone was claiming it was. Just felt important to say. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 05:58, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:::No? None of them? I mean, some get a ton of fiction here. Is there any intellectual foundation for this position, or is it basically just "we don't like it." I see plenty of room to condense characters, but certainly this should expand the scope of who gets featured. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:09, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::::Don't. Just... don't, dude. This is not something you will get supported on, I assure you. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:18, 1 March 2016 (EST)

Sigh.

Giggidy, I like you, I truly do. I appreciate your enthusiasm for AVP and co. But there's a point where you have to step back on some things, and wonder if you're going too far.

Now, as for the article itself, I feel that there's bits that are acceptable and bits that aren't. The notes section is fine, who's replaced with who makes sense. But the summary really needs paring down. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:47, 1 March 2016 (EST)

It seems a bit narcissistic to insist that Jim shouldn't write what he wants to write because of the wiki or that it's the purpose of his work. Nobody's obligated to respect our idiosyncrasies when it comes to particular topics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:32, 1 March 2016 (EST)

===== Delete =====
Why is this even an issue? I thought this was all settled two months ago. If the wiki doesn't want to cover GoBots (or any other piece of my writing, or anyone elses' for that matter) the wiki doesn't have to. I'm a big believer in engaging with the bits of the franchise you like, and ignoring the bits you don't. Giggidy, the reason I asked you not to write up this article was because it's evident which way the majority of this particular community leans. Just respect that. I'll write whatever I want, the wiki can cover whatever it wants, and other readers can read or not read whatever they want. It's not rocket science here. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 11:11, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:The issue is that this isn't unambiguously GoBots fiction like the majority of us consider Renegade Rhetoric to be; it's combination GoBots and Transformers fiction, a la Withered Hope. I don't think anyone actually thinks this shouldn't be covered. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 13:43, 1 March 2016 (EST)
::Yeah, I definitely think this should be covered. The issue of how to handle the Go-Bots elements is something we'll have to deal with somehow. (I ''think'' we said they would all go in a list article or something? Am I understanding that correctly?) If there was a Go-Bots wiki, I'd say we should link to that, but... -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 13:53, 1 March 2016 (EST)

======A different proposal======
Since this story was presented by Vector Prime in universe as a document written by his student, Blueshift, what if we were to likewise treat this story as such? Instead of this article covering the events of a fictional story written by a real world author (Jim Sorenson), it would cover the contents of a fictional document written by a fictional author (Blueshift), thereby treating the actual story within the document as a meta-fictional story-within-a-story that we needn't cover in the same manner as real-world fiction, but still having it covered on here in some fashion. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 18:18, 1 March 2016 (EST)
:I'm against it. There's no point being cheeky about it and trying to find loopholes so we can get to say "it doesn't count." The Go-Bots can still get one list-page. There's no reason list-pages can't be just as informative, interesting, and in-depth as anything else. And there's no reason why the existence of this specific fiction should change our approach to the Go-Bots being documented. It's not about whether the story is good or bad. I enjoy Sorenson's writing frequently. It's about the fact that we approach different franchises outside of TF on a pretty case-by-case basis, and I think the (mostly) list article is the fairest approach for Go-Bots. G.I. Joe has special "rules" that let us include a little bit more than we would for say, Star Wars. I know my reaction was based on the presumption of what it meant about other Go-Bots articles. I'm sure that's the case for other people. Everything should be documented in full, as it should be, but you shouldn't wind up on a Go-Bots page every third click of the "Random Page" button with the current proposal. Article stands. List of Go-Bot stands. That's what I think. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 02:38, 2 March 2016 (EST)
::Oy. Yes. What Ascendron said. TF fiction is confusing enough as it is. Proposals like that only complicate it more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:25, 2 March 2016 (EST)
:::Yeah, I don't think anyone was actually saying this should be covered in any way other than normal. It just need to not be used as an excuse to go back on our previous GoBots ruling. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 05:59, 2 March 2016 (EST)
::::But our previous GoBots ruling specifically does not cover situations like this. I can see the case for using a list on the guys that get a one-off mention, which is most of them. But for big players like Major Mo or Zero, I don't see how it can be used with any degree of coherency. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 07:38, 2 March 2016 (EST)
:::::''Fine''. New proposal: extend the previous GoBots ruling to cover the GoBots characters in Echoes and Fragments. All in favour? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:02, 2 March 2016 (EST)
::::::Old proposal was on the somewhat dubious grounds that "Renegade Rhetoric is not Transformers fiction." Is there any kind of intellectual foundation for this new proposal beyond "we don't like GoBots" that I'm not seeing here? And shouldn't a proposal like this be debated on Community Portal? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:13, 2 March 2016 (EST)
:::::::Giggidy, please, let it go. "We don't like GoBots" is a PERFECTLY VALID and legitimate reason not to want to write about it. They don't NEED a better reason, so stop asking for one.
:::::::And, wiki folks, not for nothin', but I strongly recommend just adopting the stance that all GoBots are verboten and not try to contort yourself through intellectual hoops to justify their exclusion. I've had GoBots in my work since 2010 (though you can be forgiven for not realizing that <nowiki>[[Zero (Animated)]]</nowiki> and <nowiki>[[Zero (GoBots)]]</nowiki> aren't the same dude, since I hadn't introduce the concept of the diaspora yet) and I'm not likely to stop any time in the near future. I'll be happier if every time you see a Monster GoBot in Uprising or there's some new GoBot face in Axiom Nexus it doesn't kick off a big argument, and in the long run you'll be happier too. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 09:27, 2 March 2016 (EST)
::::::::I don't think we ''want'' that, though. The solution of "all GoBots compacted onto a few pages for GoBots fiction from the Facebook pages" is a reasonably elegant one, I think, that lets us remain a comprehensive source of Transformers information without being flooded with individual GoBot stubs (due to the fact that a good deal of the Facebook content is as much GoBots as it is Transformers, and the wiki does not consider the former to be a subset of the latter). Scrubbing all GoBots content off entirely would be a bad idea; we shouldn't not cover the likes of Zero, Vamp and Creepy just because they originated in GoBots. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:28, 2 March 2016 (EST) (And I never want to say anything with that density of the word "GoBots in again".)
:::::::::If we were a Beatles compendium, we couldn't get away with "Let's not include Yoko Ono at all because we don't like her involvement in the band." (and no, I'm not comparing anyone to Yoko Ono.) For better or worse, Go-Bots is part of Transformers fiction now, and simply turning a blind eye to it does little more than leave gaping holes in the website. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 11:40, 2 March 2016 (EST)
::::::::::Ding ding ding. Stop letting petty wiki grudges dictate our content. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:47, 2 March 2016 (EST)

::::::::::Ascendron's right. While filling the site with GoBots stubs is undesirable, to ignore them entirely would be to ignore a fairly large chunk of recent Transformers fiction. I think the list article is probably the best solution, and it's one we had already agreed upon, if I remember correctly. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 11:58, 2 March 2016 (EST)
:::::::::::Odds are, there will be a day when the list article will be abandoned, as every Go-Bots character will have enough meat to their appearances to warrant its own page. That will be then, this is now. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron|talk]]) 12:18, 2 March 2016 (EST)

Can't we just get past this bullshit already? Some people on the wiki don't like covering GoBots, but nobody is obligated to respect the supposed "consensus" of some website and we will just have to deal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:01, 2 March 2016 (EST)

=====Individual Write-Ups=====
OK, we're definitely not deleting, which I agree with. But that brings us to this:
:"simply turning a blind eye to it does little more than leave gaping holes in the website."
How is that not what we're doing by not writing up the characters who appear prominently in this story? Keeping in mind that the previous proposal specifically does not cover this story or anything like it. The intellectual foundation for excluding [[Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric|Renegade Rhetoric]] is that "it's not Transformers fiction." Leaving aside the sheer absurdity of declaring that licensed fiction about transforming robots published under [[:File:RenegadeRhetoricLogo.jpg|this logo]] with [[:File:RR Title - Opportunity Knocks Part 2.jpg|these]] [[:File:RR Title - Babysitting.jpg|title]] [[:File:RR Title - All Tomorrow's Utopias.jpg|cards]] is somehow "not Transformers fiction", we all, even M Sipher and Walky, agree that '''Echoes and Fragments''' is Transformers fiction. So none of the logic or reasoning for keeping them to one big list applies. The only person who seems to be advocating for "if you don't like it don't cover it" is Jim Sorenson himself, so I again ask, is there any intellectual foundation or argument to not cover characters appearing in this story other than "we don't like them"?

Ascendron, statements like this "Odds are, there will be a day when the list article will be abandoned, as every Go-Bots character will have enough meat to their appearances to warrant its own page." make me think that you're making some kind of notability argument. I went ahead and added Echoes fiction to the existing [[Major Mo]] page, as well as condensing the existing RR fiction and adding the very brief high-level summary of the RR fiction that hadn't yet been documented. I kept the Echoes to an extremely high level, like we're to do with RR fiction. Even with all of his appearances limited to just the bullet points, it's a real and substantial article. It would be much longer if we actually documented his appearances the way we do everything else. Is his article really less substantial than the likes of [[Harcourt]] or [[Marty Cooper]] or [[Roxy Sparkles]] or [[Brawley (ROTF)]] or [[Deep Earth Scout]]?

I get that some people don't like GoBots. I get that people are sick of arguing about it. But at some point, isn't it easier and simpler to just stop putting our fingers in our ears and shouting at the top of our lungs "LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU NO GOBOTS HERE" and just treat them exactly like we'd treat any other piece of licensed fiction, and stop making special rules and exclusions for them? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 07:57, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:Because GoBots is a special case, and one of the biggest cases of bad-faith manipulation of the Timelines Facebook pages, and it ''feels wrong'' to give characters full pages because they didn't show up in this given that we're not doing so for Renegade Rhetoric characters. It may not be entirely consistent, but it's also what the opinion of pretty much everyone except you, Giggidy, seems to be. So, if you can convince people to support you, great, but until you can show evidence of consensus we are likely to stick with counting the GoBots characters from this story as a Renegade Rhetoric appearance. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:31, 3 March 2016 (EST)
::Is it? You and Chris have chimed in, and that's it. If two people on a random talk page is enough to not cover characters fully, why don't I go over to Kiss Players and start a talk page there and see if I can get two or three people to agree to de-wiki all that stuff?--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:51, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:::And Sipher, and Ascendron has indicated that he'd rather have all GoBots links have to go to Wikipedia than to let this "mess up" the wiki. And, you know, it doesn't even ''matter'' until the list pages are live, so I'm not going to say any more on this subject until it becomes ''actual'' furniture-shuffling, as opposed to just hypothetical. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:02, 3 March 2016 (EST)
::::Rather telling that so many folks vote for a "solution" and then make zero effort to implement it. Meanwhile I'd be done updating it by now if people weren't so busy advocating for special exceptions be made and extended rather than just treating this fiction the same way we do everything else, including the German bits that make no sense and the Japanenergy tentacle porn.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:19, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:::::I get that the consensus is that GoBots fiction from before Hasbro bought Tonka is considered out of bounds here (I don't AGREE with it, but I see no point in continuing that fight). What I DON'T understand is how, given that we've been told that GoBots are their universe's equivalents of Transformers, there is any justification for leaving out any new GB fiction. GBs are TFs now, so new GB fiction IS new TF fiction. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:51, 3 March 2016 (EST)
::::::I agree, but there's nothing we can do about it at this point. There's a reason the dissenters have stopped replying; they've won, and they know arguing about it futhermore is pointless. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 11:20, 3 March 2016 (EST)
:::::::Well, not really. If it's a vote about handling Echoes characters, there is at least as much support for treating them the way we normally do is making a special exception, so it's probably safe to go ahead and do so. On the otber hand, if you're talking about revisiting the Renegade Rhetoric decision, I agree with you that that would be a pointless discussion. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 11:47, 3 March 2016 (EST)
::::::::And I don't think the "consensus" will change. It's still "eviiiiil maniac Jim out to destroy our poor wiki with GoBots", regardless of the specific label it's under. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 12:05, 3 March 2016 (EST)

I just wish someone beyond the people who wanted to keep it and those who only wanted it separated because of all the arguing would do something with this list idea, cause I sure as hell don't see anyone arguing against their inclusion since the beginning helping with that. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:50, 3 March 2016 (EST)

So, at least 4 of us in favor of treating this like any other piece of TF fiction and not saying that it's not Transformers fiction as Renegade Rhetoric is. (Me, Saix, Khajidha, Ascendron per his talk page.) We know Chris disagrees, and Riptide because it ''feels wrong''. Anyone else want to chime in? And is "feels wrong" a precedent we want to set as a reason to exclude content? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 00:15, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:All I really have to say is that ''if'' we treated it like any other piece of Transformers fiction, we'd have to give everyone who appears in it a page, as per wiki rules. It's kind of arbitrary to say "Major Mo and Alice and Bob appear in this more than anyone else does, so they should get pages but nobody else should". --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 05:36, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:::But I'm not advocating that. I'm advocating that characters with a substantial role get a page. It's "kind of arbitrary" to treat this differently than any other piece of crossover fiction too, but I don't see that stopping you. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 07:02, 4 March 2016 (EST)

::There is no objective, wiki-rule reason for not creating pages and I personally don't mind, but the whole argument on GoBots keeps causing ill-feeling and conflict around here so I'm voting against. --[[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 11:33, 4 March 2016 (GMT)

The previous mandate handed down was about GoBots in general. No one could read it and assume it was specifically about ''Renegade Rhetoric'' and not about other Gobots-material creeping in, particularly not other Gobots-material from the same source in a slightly different format. '''''NO''''', there should '''''NOT''''' be individual pages for GoBot characters who appeared in Echoes and Fragments.

And Giggidy, by leading the charge on this, you've really shown that you learned ''nothing'' from the last AVP fiasco about how to usefully contribute to the Wiki. This is...the worst thing you could have done. Honestly. The worst. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 07:34, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:The [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive61#We.27re_all_sick_of_arguing_about_GoBots|previous mandate]] specifically stated "since moving to its own page, with Cy-Kill returning to his own universe and talking exclusively about "unmade" GoBots episodes, "Renegade Rhetoric" has become GoBots fiction, not Transformers fiction, and we do not cover GoBots fiction. Events from Challenge of the GoBots "season 2" do not warrant coverage on the wiki" I don't see how anyone could read that as anything other than what it says. It says Renegade Rehetoric has become GoBots fiction which we don't cover. Echoes and Fragments everyone agrees is Transformers fiction. Ergo it has nothing to do with Chris' proposal. Note Charles above, "There is no objective, wiki-rule reason for not creating pages," or even Ripclaw on [http://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-162 Allspark:] "I... can't really come up with a cohesive argument against it, so...". I [[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Question_about_GoBots....not_the_one_you_are_thinking_of|even asked Chris]], who authored the proposal, if my understanding was correct, and he said it was. I cannot understand what possible reasoning there is beyond "we don't like it" which was explicitly rejected above, and apparently neither can anyone else. We're literally taking a story everyone agrees is Transformers fiction and not covering the main character, who is also on the cover, because some OTHER DIFFERENT GoBots story is "not Transformers" despite being branded as such. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:29, 4 March 2016 (EST)

Upthread, Jim says he's been writing GoBots into his stories since 2010. The article says this story was published in 2008. The article was created 3 days ago. Something doesn't add up. I've watched with great appreciation as McFeely continues to develop his master list of GoBot pages. Once those go live, 90+% of the current GoBot stand-alone pages will get the immediate, permanent, and incontestable deletion they deserve, and there will be no more shadows of loopholes that might confuse new readers about our policies.

And honestly, if people keep pushing the envelope I suspect it would really fucking backfire. We were sick of this shit already YEARS ago. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 09:10, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:The article says the story was published in 2016. I think Jim is probably referring to [[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II]].--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:09, 4 March 2016 (EST)

=====I capitulate=====
Fine. Even though there is zero intellectual coherence behind the position of not covering the characters in this story, I'll stop arguing because again I'm inexplicably in the minority. All I was suggesting was that we handle this story exactly like we handle every other crossover story. I didn't agree with the ruling on Renegade Rhetoric not being Transformers fiction, but I respected that there was a solid foundation for it. This decision has no foundation aside from "we don't like it" which is a terrible reason not to cover the licensed branded fiction. And since Sorenson has stated that there's more GoBots fiction coming in the future, I look forward to the NEXT argument when people try to stretch the fig-leaf of "we don't like it" to cover more and more. Because you know it's coming. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 10:29, 4 March 2016 (EST)

==== Sick Of Arguing About GoBots II ====

[[Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/Archive61#We.27re_all_sick_of_arguing_about_GoBots|The existing rule was:]] "I think that any events described from the original, actually-existing cartoon should be reduced to minimum, and all GoBots characters only mentioned in these stories consolidated into simplified "List of Guardian" and "List of Renegade" pages with only brief write-ups, linking readers to our archive of the Facebook posts if they want the full scoop. Characters such as Cy-Kill and those who have actually appeared in Transformers-universe stories should, of course, retain their own articles"

That caused a lot of argument over [[Echoes and Fragments]], since most people did not want to create new pages for each named character even though 'legally' it's fine. This is going to come up again when new GoBots appears in a Transformers fanfic (and Macrocosmic Seekers is all about that).

At this point, might be worth altering the law to "who have actually appeared in Transformers-universe stories with a moderate-to-large role in Transformers fanfiction" i.e. [[Major Mo]] is fine because he had a big role in Echoes but Back Grounder the Rock Lord who was only mentioned briefly in a crowd scene is not. That seems to be the spirit of the law. - [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 17:27, 4 March 2016 (GMT)
:I vote no. "GoBots characters and concepts who have not appeared outside of Facebook-based media do not get their own pages" is a reasonable policy without loopholes. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 12:52, 4 March 2016 (EST)
::That's the crux of this all, so if it gets people to shut up about this forever, please, for the love of God. Stuff that has appeared or been mentioned in other media will still get appropriate pages—nobody has ever argued against that. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:18, 4 March 2016 (EST)
:::Agree with Riptide. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 13:34, 4 March 2016 (EST)
::::I think this is a terrible, terrible rule and an awful precedent, but it is at least honest and non-subjective. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 14:23, 4 March 2016 (EST)

So, that's the concensus. The rule is "GoBots and major associated characters who appear only on Facebook pages get the list treatment." The justification is that GoBots is a frequent source of arguments and the hope is a simple, unambiguous rule will curtail these arguments. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 23:07, 5 March 2016 (EST)

I would like some clarification: once the master lists go up and many GoBot articles are deleted/redirected, what about the Renegade Rhetoric fiction sections on the pages which stay, e.g. [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]] or [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]]? It is my understanding that we are minimizing ''Challenge of the GoBots'' season 1 content to summaries, but what of "season 2" adventures? Can any of it go on the wiki? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 02:17, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
:As I've been reading it, RR has been de-credentialed and will be purged, completely. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 07:01, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
::I wasn't sure either, so I asked Chris up above in the ''Question about GoBots'' block, and he confirmed my understanding, which is this: '''For the characters who appear in crossover fiction, their Renegade Rhetoric adventures get a brief write-up with link to RR archive.''' So, Renegade Rhetoric adventures do count, but get written up in a truncated way. I've been meaning to get to everyone, but have been busy with school. When [[Puzzler]] got mentioned in [[High Noon]] I did a pass on him, which shows about the level I think was authorized for Renegade Rhetoric write-ups. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:40, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
Does ''Echoes and Fragments'' count as a piece of crossover fiction? Because that gives... like... ''every'' GoBot a sentence or two of "screen-time", which might throw a wrench in the plan. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 10:10, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
:We've decided that the Facebook fiction in general does not "count" enough to give GoBots characters their own pages, unless they have appeared in non-Facebook-based fiction. We probably should give Puzzler his own page, but ehh. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:34, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
::It's a strange place we find ourselves in. The original justification of not wikifying Renegade Rhetoric was that it's somehow technically not Transformers fiction. That went out the window with '''[[Echoes and Fragments]]''', so Chris [[User talk:Chris McFeely/Sandbox:ListofRenegades|basically said]] that the goal was to keep GoBots footprint to a minimum regardless of their appearances in unambiguously Transformers fiction. The new rule is that Facebook appearances don't count towards whether or not a character gets a page, because we don't like GoBots/they cause too many arguments. But if/when they show up elsewhere the Facebook stuff gets written up. So, I expect many more pages like Puzzler, where there's a one-sentence mention from some other fiction and then four or five paragraphs of Facebook stuff. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 12:50, 31 March 2016 (EDT)
:See prior discussion on [[Talk:Echoes and Fragments]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:28, 31 March 2016 (EDT)

==TL;DR==
''[[GoBots]] (and related characters/ideas) who appear in non-Facebook Transformers crossovers get full write-ups, because that's how we handle all crossovers. GoBots who appear exclusively in FunPub Facebook pages (i.e. [[Ask Vector Prime]]), get no write-ups, because we don't like GoBots on the wiki / they cause too many arguments. GoBots who appear in both get full crossover write-ups, but only limited [[Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric]] write-ups because we consider Renegade Rhetoric to be non-Transformers fiction.''

== The current state of Shoutwiki and the IDW comic's impact on this discussion WARNING SPOILERS FOR THE IDW COMIC ==

So, with the Go-Bots comic and the current state of both of our sister wikis, I think it's time to re-examine our options. Now before this gets out of hand, I just want to clarify: I am NOT advocating for both of them to be folded into TFWiki.net at the time being. What I want is to look at what we have now and see how we can improve. Also spoilers for the Tom Scioli series.

So, first off, with the ShoutWiki bit:

For nearly a year, both of the wiki's have had very little activity. IDW Hasbro has had slightly more activity, but much of that has petered off recently, at least. Part of that, I have always felt, is due to a lack of good advertisement on TFWiki. It took, give or take, over half of a year for the GoBots and IDW Hasbro Wiki to receive any acknowledgement on our main page that wasn't the consistently changing "disambiguration" bit, and even then they're not particularly noticeable. Now, we could say this is due to a lack of interest, which for GoBots, I could have seen prior to the IDW comic, but I don't think that makes sense for the IDW Hasbro wiki. Additional issues include:

1. The mass amount of spambots and non-user editors. We have no control over ShoutWiki like we do with TFWiki. As such, spambots are still quite rampant in comparison, and IP address-based users are still active. This is undesirable for many reasons.

2. The problem of Wikia/Fandom. As we know, Gamepedia was recently bought out by Wikia/Fandom. Now, I won't pretend I have any idea how that works, but knowing how awful Fandom is today, I would worry about any possibility that ShoutWiki would suffer the same fate. And as we've seen with Mirage's posts on the Allspark Forums thread for the GoBots wiki, Fandom's current management is beyond screwed up.

On the comics front themselves (SPOILERS IF YOU HAVE NOT READ THE COMIC FROM HERE ON OUT):

1. The comic connects them to the Transformers. As seen in the end of issues, the GoBots are depicted as the creators of the Transformers, connecting them once more. Now, when even the comic produced by Hasbro's main go-to comic company, written by someone not too heavily involved in the fandom, connects them to the Transformers, it's worth re-examining.

2. The comic's legal info. Now, a big part of the position against putting them on the Wiki is that it seemed that Hasbro was unwilling to use the GoBots beyond slight homages. Possible reasons for this include the idea that Hasbro only owns the names, and that other parts are still owned by Bandai and Warner Bros. Now, the indicia for the Go-Bots comic only has Hasbro listed in the legal bit. The comic uses characters from the Hanna-Barbera cartoon, and everyone is drawn faithfully to the Bandai toys. It would seem that Hasbro is much more confident on their ownership of the characters than they were 2-3 years ago.

Now, to examine our options:

1. We fold these wikis into ours. Again, I am NOT advocating for this. That being said, gained advantages include: better prevention of spambots; being on this wiki, my hypothesis is that there would be a lot more attraction to create these articles than there are now for the two out of the way ones; and we wouldn't have someone selling off out wiki to a ponzi scheme disguised as a "community".

2. We create new wikis we own ourselves. Personally, I'm all for that, but there are several problems. A lot of the people involved with the set up of this wiki aren't really around anymore or are inactive. There aren't very many beyond abates that I can think of who have good backgrounds in the more technical side of stuff, but I could be forgetting some. Additionally, there would be more money to pay to have 3 sites up, and I understand that is a lot to ask for. Additionally, without better advertising, we'd run into the same problem we haven now. There might be other stuff but again, I'm no tech wizard.

3. We get better advertising for our two Shoutwiki and hope for the best. Probably the easiest of the three options, and the least costly/headache inducing. The only problem is still the spambots and the chance that Wikia will buy ShoutWiki out.

In any case, I wanted to bring this stuff up after talking with several friends about the states of our 2 sister wikis; this is not me trying to reopen old wounds. I hope that is clear. If I am unclear about anything I am willing to clarify-been busy with final exams for school which is why I'm only now getting to this after having wanted to bring it up for a while, and it's hard to focus during this crunch. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 18:18, 4 May 2019 (EDT)

== Is the sister Wiki still a thing? ==

Just spend a day or two editing the Gobot wiki before I stumbled on this discussion... is the sister wiki still an ongoing concern or has it been abandoned by the admins? Part of me wants to do much, much more as the Gobots side of the thing really needs some work but I don't want to waste time on it (well, beyond that any wiki editing is a waste of time) if it's wound down.

[[User:Shadow XGX-9|Shadow XGX-9]] ([[User talk:Shadow XGX-9|talk]]) 09:49, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
:We still link to it on our main page here. It's just that there simply hasn't much interest in it as of late. Most of the activity was brought on in response to Fun Pub's Renegade Rhetoric generating a renewed interest in GoBots, but which has since died down. There was the IDW GoBots mini-series that sparked a new interest, but that's wound down since too. GoBots just doesn't have the fire and staying power to keep most people's interest in it perpetually ongoing, but that doesn't mean we've abandoned GBWiki. If you're interested in working on it, then by all means have at it. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:43, 21 July 2021 (EDT)
:It's worth remembering that the people currently running TFWiki didn't create it--they found a dilapidated Transformers wiki in the wild, and nursed it to health, until it became the powerhouse it is today. Even if the people currently there have lost interest, there's always a chance that your work could give it the second wind it needs to become a vital resource. --[[User:Wack'd|Wack'd]] ([[User talk:Wack'd|talk]]) 12:31, 21 July 2021 (EDT)

Dalek

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[[File:FallAndRiseOctus01.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|EX-TER-MI-NATE! EX-TER-MI-NATE!]]
A '''Dalek''' is some kind of creature or object from [[Skaro]] that an unknown [[Doctor]] might be very concerned about. Some [[Transformer]]s have a Dalek-form as an [[alternate mode]]. They are somehow associated with the word "exterminate".

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
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[[File:To A Power Unknown - Dalek Panel.jpg|left|thumb|DALEKS ARE THE MASTERS OF BBC RADIO FOURRRRRR!]]
[[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] flew over the [[United Kingdom|English]] countryside, picking up transmissions involving, among other things, Daleks. {{storylink|To a Power Unknown!}}

Some time later, [[Octus (G1)|Octus]] served as one of three members of the [[Triumvirate|Triumverate]] that ruled the Decepticons on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. His [[alternate mode]] was that of a Dalek, though how or when he scanned it, or even precisely what it looks like, is unknown. {{storylink|The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire.}}
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====''Combat Colin''====
[[File:Christmas with combat colin.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3]]
In [[1989]], a Dalek attended [[Colin Doobrey-Smiff|Colin]] and [[Semi-Automatic Steve|Steve]]'s [[Christmas]] party in the [[Combat Shed]]. It was seen hanging around the buffet with the [[Thing]]. {{storylink|Christmas with Combat Colin}}
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===''Animated'' cartoon===
[[Octus (Animated)|Octus]], a Decepticon, transforms into a Mark III Travel Machine. {{storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}} This machine is assumed to be somehow connected to the Daleks.
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==Notes==
*Daleks are, of course, a race of alien mutant cyborgs that are one of the main antagonists of the Doctor in the long-running British science-fiction programme, ''[[Doctor Who]]''.
*[[Lee Sullivan]] has stated that [[Octus (G1)|Octus]] was supposed to transform into a Dalek. Sullivan is well known to ''Who'' fans for drawing Dalek strips for ''Doctor Who Magazine''.
*A "Mark III Travel Machine" is a name the 1975 serial ''{{w|Genesis of the Daleks}}'' retroactively gave to the metal exoskeletons Daleks ride around in. The mad scientist {{w|Davros}} invented them to give the mobility to the race he bioengineered to be the superior form of his native Kaleds. Don't say TFWiki never teaches you anything.

==External links==
*{{w|Dalek}}s at Wikipedia
*[[wikia:tardis:Dalek|Daleks]] at the TARDIS Data Core, the ''Doctor Who'' wiki

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[[Category:Combat Colin characters]]
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Skaro

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'''Skaro''' is a planet in the [[Milky Way]]. It is likely the origin of the [[Dalek]]s.

==Fiction==
===''The AllSpark Almanac''===
Skaro was an unclaimed or neutral planet in the Milky Way that was destroyed. [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] noted the destruction as a shame, since he needed a Mark III Travel Machine. {{Storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Notes==
*{{w|Skaro}} is the home world of the Daleks from ''[[Doctor Who]]''. Back when ''The AllSpark Almanac II'' was published in 2010, the planet was last seen being completely destroyed by the [[Doctor]] causing an artificially-induced supernova of its star, in the 1988 serial ''{{w|Remembrance of the Daleks}}''. Daleks are small, squishy aliens inside of their iconic outer shells; Mark III Travel Machines are the names given to those shells in the 1975 serial ''{{w|Genesis of the Daleks}}''.

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Skaro

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'''Skaro''' is a planet in the [[Milky Way]]. It is likely the origin of the [[Dalek]]s.

==Fiction==
===''The AllSpark Almanac''===
Skaro was an unclaimed or neutral planet in the Milky Way that was destroyed. [[Swindle (Animated)|Swindle]] noted the destruction as a shame, since he needed a Mark III Travel Machine. {{Storylink|Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II|The AllSpark Almanac II}}

==Notes==
*{{w|Skaro}} is the home world of the Daleks from ''[[Doctor Who]]''. Back when ''The AllSpark Almanac II'' was published in 2010, the planet was last seen being completely destroyed by the [[Doctor]] causing an artificially-induced supernova of its star, in the 1988 serial ''{{w|Remembrance of the Daleks}}''. Daleks are small, squishy aliens inside of their iconic outer shells; Mark IiI Travel Machines are the names given to those shells in the 1975 serial ''{{w|Genesis of the Daleks}}''.

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[[Category:Real-world cultural references]]

Megatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity

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[[File:IDWMegatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron A, Megatron B, Megatron Retailer's Incentive, Megatron Dynamic Forces Exclusive variant, and Megatron (Second Printing).]]
'''Megatron''' waged a battle to destroy the evil forces of the [[Senate]]! Then he ''continued'' to wage a war against the not-so-evil forces of freedom, organic life, and the very idea of an Autobot living. After [[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|some life-changing events]], he waged a war against the evil forces of his own past [[Decepticon Justice Division|legacy]]. Currently, however, Megatron's revolution has come full circle, waging a war against the evil forces of the [[Functionist Council]]!

Megatron is a master planner, constantly a step ahead of any opponent and even ahead of what he wants ''now'', preparing for anything he may want in the future. He has the physical might to overpower most foes but it's his mind who has one-upped three Primes and rival Decepticons. But his cold clinical nature is a front he has to struggle to keep up, as he's quick to anger and quicker to use excessive violence as his answer to any problem. Megatron's trying to change but he's spent such a long time revelling in violence, it may have been a lost cause from the start.

:*''First Appearance:'' [[Infiltration issue 4|''Transformers: Infiltration'' #4]]

{{quote|So long as you stand in my way—so long as '''anyone''' stands in my way, I will respond by killing. Murder on an '''industrial''' scale. Because in the final analysis, I would happily wade across a river of corpses, chest-deep in rust and grease and engine oil, just to crush the spark of the last Autobot standing. And I would not do so simply as a means to an end. No. I'd do it, Prime, because it would give me '''pleasure'''.|Megatron to Optimus Prime|"[[Chaos Theory Part 1]]"}}

{{quote|I once told Optimus that I kill for the sake of killing. I wanted to make him hurt me, you see, because when he hurts others, he hurts himself. And the thing is, when those words were in my head I didn't think I meant them; but when they left my mouth, I realized that I '''did'''. If the world thinks you're a monster, what does it matter? The world is '''wrong'''. But when you start to think of '''yourself''' as a monster...|Megatron on the previous quote|"[[slaughterhouse]]"}}

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==Fiction==
===Birth of a tyrant===
[[File:Mtmte17-point one percenter spark.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|right|Not so tough without a body, are ya?]]
'''Megatron of [[Tarn (polity)|Tarn]]''' was the first "hybrid" Transformer, a powerful forged superspark in a constructed cold body. His [[spark]] came to life in the middle of a field full of newborn sparks, a so-called "[[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]]", on [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]], the "Seething Moon". The hot spot remained dormant for ages until it was finally fertilized when [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] and [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] set foot on the ground in the "present" day. Within an instant, the entire moon lit up, as a billion sparks suddenly flared to life all over its surface. [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] was the first to point out that one of the sparks was glowing green, which [[Brainstorm (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Brainstorm]] recognized as a "superspark"—a vanishingly rare, insanely powerful [[Point One Percenter]]. Despite [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor's]] horrified protestations, Brainstorm immediately began to excavate and harvest the spark, taking it with him for future use. {{storylink|Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|The Fecund Moon}}

[[File:MTMTE37 megatron under construction.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.0|Megatron (Work in progress)]]
Megatron's original body, on the other hand, was one of the many "knock off" Transformers [[reproduction|constructed cold]] during the [[Silver Harvest]], specifically built in the 1st Cycle 012, millions of years in the past, in [[Con Facility 113]] ("Con" being short for "constructed cold"). The spark originally intended for this body was one generated from the [[Matrix of Leadership]] by [[Solomus|Tyrest]], but this spark was destroyed by [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]], who had travelled back in time alongside several other [[Autobot]]s, originally to ''prevent'' a time-travelling Brainstorm from killing Megatron and thereby unwittingly creating a [[Functionist Universe|dystopian alternate timeline]] in which the [[Functionist Council]] would rule [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. In the process, Brainstorm had also begun to erase data about Megatron, including his batch code. After Rewind had "killed" Megatron in order to prevent the destruction he knew the latter would come to wreak upon the universe, fellow time-travelling Autobot [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], who loathed the Functionists, took it upon himself to fix the timeline, taking advantage of a temporary distraction by nabbing the harvested Point One Percenter spark Brainstorm had taken with him back in time and placing it inside Megatron's now sparkless body—and thus Megatron was ''truly'' born. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

Megatron desired to be a medic, {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} but alas, he lived in a time of functionism, where one's [[alternate mode]] denoted one's role in society, and one's role determined one's rights. As such, the true nature of his exceptionally rare spark apparently unknown, Megatron was assigned the task for which he had been built: that of [[energon]] miner, a member of the lower class, toiling in a mine under [[Nova Point]]. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}}

[[File:ChaosTheory1 megatron symbol creation.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|... And thus the "Silica Fracturism" art movement was born.]]
An idealist, intellectual, and poet, Megatron was sickened by the caste-ridden social apartheid of [[Nominus Prime]]'s Cybertron, and so he wrote [[After the Ark: Nominus Prime and the Illusion of Progress|a treatise]] on how pacifist dissent and the exchange of ideas could change things. It was while he was sharing this work with his miner friend [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] over a drink in [[Maccadam's Old Oil House|Maccadam's New Oil House]] that the event occurred which would change the course of his life, as Impactor wound up being drawn into a bar brawl with some of the city's upper classes (inadvertently caused by a time-travelling Rung and a [[curly straw]]), and Megatron, who himself had actually ''not'' been involved in the brawl, instead cowering underneath a table, was among those arrested after the fracas. Megatron's writings had been growing in popularity and inspiring some dissent against the current regime, so in order to silence him, the [[Senate]] arranged for a police officer on their payroll, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], to kill him. Before Whirl could finish the job, however, police captain [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]], having discovered Megatron's innocence thanks to the bartender's testimony, arranged for his release. Despite Pax expressing support for the message of his writings, Megatron now found himself filled with rage and hate, disillusioned with his former ideology and realizing the power of applied violence. Angrily hurling the datapad on which he had written his treatise through a public info-screen, Megatron observed the jagged shape of the shattered glass, and later turned it into a [[insignia|symbol]] for his cause. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}}

[[File:MTMTE34 what you might call a thinker.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3|When considering the Grand Cybertronian Taxonomy, one question remains unanswered. Why am I always pictured with phallic-shaped items in awkward positions?]]
Megatron's samizdat writings began to circulate in Cybertron's underground, spawning the "[[Decepticon]]" movement, its name derived from its own slogan, "You are being deceived", warning the common 'bot of the Senate's true nature. Knowing that, at this stage, assassinating Megatron would merely make him a martyr, the Senate instead elected to relocate him off-planet, reassigning him to a mining facility on the world of [[Messatine]] while they tried their own schemes to defuse the growing Decepticon movement. {{storylink|Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc}} It was there that Megatron met [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]], an elderly fellow miner who encouraged him to keep writing, and who, in addition to proofreading his works for him, smuggled each new tract back to Cybertron, helping to continue the spread of the Decepticon movement. When Terminus was maimed in a mining accident and had his fuel rations cut off, Megatron kept him alive by sharing his own [[energon]] with the old 'bot. Eventually, Senate agents [[Froid]] and [[Trepan]] were dispatched to Messatine to perform mind-altering [[Shadowplay]] upon Megatron, in order to cut his writings off at the source. Tased into submission and strapped to Trepan's operating table, Megatron was helpless to stop the [[mnemosurgery|mnemosurgeon]] from beginning his vile work. Though the arrival of Froid's rival psychopathologist [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] fortunately forced Trepan to stop before Megatron's personality was altered, the experience left the miner with a lifelong fear of mnemosurgery. Subsequently, a mysterious surge of energy deep within the mine (inadvertently caused by a time-travelling Brainstorm) forced an evacuation of the facility; Megatron raced back to his quarters to carry Terminus to safety, but found his friend was not there. With time running out and no sign of Terminus anywhere, Megatron instead chose to save the stack of datapads containing his unpublished works—a decision that would haunt him. {{storylink|Births, Deaths, and Interventions}}

[[File:MegatronOrigin1 first kill.jpg|thumb|upright=1.38|"You know, sometimes I think I was born with a leak, and any goodness I started with just slowly spilled out of me and now its all gone. And I'll never get it back in me. It's too late."]]
Megatron was relocated to [[Mining Outpost C-12]], and continued to seethe with hate and frustration in his new workplace. His discontent reached a peak when, some time later, [[Decimus|Senator Decimus]] arrived to announce that the mine was being automated and the workers would be relocated. When one of the Senator's guards killed a worker for insubordination and claims of Senate corruption, Megatron's fury boiled over and he hurled his pickaxe at Decimus. In turn, he was attacked by the Senator's guard, whom he killed by smashing his head to fragments—the first time he had ever taken a life. A riot erupted around him, but Megatron himself could only sit amongst the chaos, staring at his fuel-stained hands in abject horror, which allowed him to be easily pacified and rounded up with the other miners as the mayhem was quickly suppressed. En route to [[Penal Facility H-3|imprisonment]] back on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], however, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] and [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] broke free and started a riot aboard [[Longshot (G1)|their ship]]. Megatron joined in their effort, and together, they overpowered their guards, took control of the ship, and disappeared into the [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]] underground. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 1|Megatron Origin #1}}

[[File:MegsOrigin2 Cykill.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Battle of the Awesome Voices!]]
After evading law enforcement, Megatron joined a team of underworld gladiators under the tutelage of [[Clench (G1)|Clench]]. Initially repulsed by killing his opponents, the games eventually turned him more brutal and excessive, and he took control of the entire operation from Clench. The opportunistic Senator [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]], after seeing how much money there was in the underworld matches, covertly sent his agent [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] to offer Megatron weaponry and technology to upgrade himself and his comrades. Their meeting was spied upon by [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]] and [[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]], agents from the Senate's forces, who Megatron slew. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} Subsequently, impressed by how he treated his animal-form [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|cassette partners]] as equals (in contradiction to the teachings of his Senate masters), Megatron invited Soundwave back to the gladiator pits and gave him permission to use his mind-reading abilities on him. Within Megatron's mind, Soundwave saw his honest desire for all Cybertronians to be true equals, and was so moved by it that he joined Megatron's cause. {{storylink|Soundwaves (issue)|Soundwaves}}

Gradually, Megatron used the gladiatorial games to drum up an army of violent malcontents, sending Soundwave to recruit more and more warriors to his cause. Such recruits included [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]], who he was presented with while having an arm he lost in a brawl replaced with a new limb that incorporated an [[energon mace]], {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} and the disenfranchised warrior [[Drift (G1)|Drift]], who was personally asked by Megatron to fight at his side when he attended a Decepticon rally, and whom Megatron rechristened "Deadlock", {{storylink|Drift issue 2|Drift #2}} and transformed into a capable Decepticon warrior. {{Storylink|Drift issue 3|Drift #3}} A wave of terrorism and sabotage spread across Cybertron at his command: bombings, wrecking factories and fuel plants, shutting down transport links, a mass poisoning to tank a corporation, and a very public kidnapping of Senator Decimus. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}}

Seeking to enhance his army even further, Megatron reached out to [[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Senator Shockwave]], offering to supply him the resources he required to carry out his own mysterious experiments in exchange for his using the teachings of his lost mentor [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] to create a [[combiner]] that would serve the Decepticons. Shockwave cautioned that it could take some time, but Megatron was content to wait. {{storylink|Shockwaves}}

[[File:Apexthrone.JPG|upright=1.4|thumb|You should have gone to IKEA.]]
Despite all his efforts, Megatron believed that the Senate was still not taking the Decepticons seriously, so Soundwave formulated a plan for a declaration of intent that could be not denied: lure the Senate to Kaon and murder them. {{storylink|Soundwaves (issue)|Soundwaves}} In preparation for this scheme, Megatron offered to restore Shockwave's lost hands—a victim of [[empurata]]—believing that doing so might speed his work. {{storylink|Shockwaves}} The following day, in accordance with Soundwave's plan, Megatron and the Decepticons allowed themselves to be arrested by Sentinel Prime's men, after which Soundwave was freed on Ratbat's orders, while Starscream would ensure his own release by pretending to defect. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}} Together, Soundwave and Starscream exterminated the entire Senate, then liberated Megatron and the rest of their comrades, in the process granting their leader the gift of a [[fusion cannon]] liberated from the Senate forces' armory. Megatron led his army against Sentinel Prime's men, killed Sentinel himself, and took control of Kaon, now ready to turn his insurgency into a full-blown war. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 4|Megatron Origin #4}}

When Sentinel's head went missing, Megatron (unaware) was blamed for it. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

===Early days of war===
Megatron formally declared war on "[[Declaration Day]]" when he delivered a stirring speech from [[Nova Point|Nova Peak]]. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} The self-described "second order" he ever gave was that under no circumstances was any Decepticon to kill Whirl—Megatron wanted his old tormentor for himself. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} The growing Decepticon forces swiftly spread across six [[Polities of Cybertron|Torus-States]], {{storylink|Parasites}} and to combat them, Cybertron's new leader [[Zeta Prime (G1)|Zeta Prime]] assembled a new military force, the "[[Autobot]]s", led by Megatron's old acquaintance [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Orion Pax]]. Researching his new opposite number, Megatron was intrigued to discover that his now-abandoned treatise had been a source of inspiration for Pax, who had even quoted from it when he confronted the Senate and openly accused them of corruption. {{storylink|Cause and Effect}} Early into the war, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] would admit to Pax that Megatron talked about him sometimes, when he was tired. When Pax asked what was said, Bludgeon told him that it would make "both of us feel ''uncomfortable''". {{storylink|Omega's Conundrum}}

[[File:Autocracy4 backroom meeting.jpg|upright=1.66|left|thumb|Megatron Delightful Destruction Exclusive Variant]]
When Orion Pax came close to Kaon during a mission, Megatron saw it as a chance to speak to him and had his Decepticons bring him in. {{storylink|The Hunt for Soundwave}} Megatron attempted to convince him that Zeta Prime was even worse than he appeared—that he had planned to let Orion die in [[Nyon]] so that he could use his death as pretext to invade the rebel-infested city and drain the citizens of their energon—and proposed they work together against him, but Orion refused to hear him and then escaped. Knowing the doubts he'd placed in his head would only serve to damage the Autobot cause, Megatron let him go. {{storylink|Cause and Effect}}

[[File:Autocracy8 megs and pax together.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|"Megatron, let's roll." "What you thinking?" "...Pub?"]]
Megatron continued to keep an eye on Orion Pax's activities, spying on his encounter with the Nyon insurgent [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hot Rod]]. {{storylink|Ruins}} When Zeta Prime's [[Guardian robot|Omega Destructor]]s suddenly attacked Nyon, Megatron was surprised by how zealously the new Prime fought against the city's rebels, but his real interest still lay on how Orion would handle the crisis. {{storylink|Purge}} Orion turned on Zeta, who in turn attempted to kill him, prompting Megatron to intervene and force the Prime to retreat. Taking Orion back to Kaon, he again offered that they work together against Zeta's corruption, and this time the Autobot officer accepted. {{storylink|Choices}} As their combined forces invaded the [[Citadel]] in Iacon, Megatron and Orion Pax made their way inside and fought Zeta Prime in person. The battle ended with Megatron killing the Prime with a head shot, and with his objective complete, he then betrayed the injured Orion by shooting him in the back. {{storylink|Overthrown}} This moment lived in infamy as the point at which Megatron revealed his true colors, no longer couched in ideology; {{storylink|Dinobot Hunt (IDW)|Dinobot Hunt}} though curiously, an alternate report incorrectly implied he had assassinated Zeta from afar, sniping him with the rifle alternate mode of [[Vos (DJD)|Vos]]. {{storylink|Bullets}} {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 3: The Chaos of Warm Things|The Chaos of Warm Things}}

[[File:Autocracy12 no you dont megatron.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|I can't be the only one with deja vu here.]]
With Zeta dead, Megatron conquered Iacon and declared himself ruler of Cybertron. His soldiers patrolled the planet's streets to "keep the peace", mostly by hunting down and capturing any remaining Autobots who opposed him. {{storylink|Transformation (issue)|Transformation}} During his rule, Megatron attempted to sway the neutral Hot Rod into joining the Decepticons, but he decided otherwise upon witnessing Megatron ordering the execution of several Autobot prisoners. {{storylink|Rise}} Megatron was shocked to learn that Orion Pax had survived the betrayal and was organizing a rebellion against him under the name "Optimus Prime", and even more shocked that people actually had the courage to listen to him. He wasted no time in striking back against the rebels approaching the Citadel with the full force of his army. {{storylink|Broadcast}} During the battle, Megatron unleashed Zeta Prime's energy-draining [[vamparc ribbon|vamparc annihilator]], but when the gigantic [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] took out the cannon, Megatron fell to the streets and was confronted by Optimus Prime himself. He lost the ensuing [[The Transformers: The Movie|familiar-looking duel]] and was badly wounded after a failed attempt to defeat Prime by holding Hot Rod hostage, forcing him to escape aboard Astrotrain. As he fled, he warned Optimus that he hadn't won, he had only started a war unlike any Cybertron had ever seen. {{storylink|Endgame}}

[[File:Monstrosity3 Megatron and Pentius.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Megatron insists on wearing his Darksiders cosplay when he's walking his pet Quintesson.]]
Before Megatron could recover from his injuries, he was betrayed by [[Scorponok (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Scorponok]], who was gunning for the position of Decepticon leader (with aid from Starscream). As punishment for his failure to hold Iacon, Scorponok banished the wounded Megatron to the hell-world of [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]]. {{storylink|Derelicts}} Further injured in battle with some [[Junkion (species)|cannibalistic natives]], he stubbornly refused to give up and used the trash littering the world to patch himself up, leaving him with a mismatched, monstrous appearance. {{storylink|Wreckage (issue)|Wreckage}} While searching for a way off Junkion, Megatron entered the wreckage of a starship and found a trapped [[Quintesson]] named [[Pentius]], who had mapped the planet and knew of an area known as the [[Pillar of Rust]] where starships may land and take off. Megatron freed the alien to guide him there, while also putting him in chains to serve as his slave. {{storylink|Faces of Darkness}}

[[File:Monstrosity7 megatron takes pentius spark.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|"Thanks for turning me into the psychopath I've been the whole time!"]]
While crossing the [[Acid Sea]] on the way to the Pillar, Megatron was attacked by [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticons]] who pulled him into the depths. {{storylink|Rage (IDW)|Rage}} For reasons unknown he was then released, the creatures having allowed him to live. As he emerged, Pentius was waiting with a history lesson, telling him that Junkion was once a prosperous world until its inhabitants drained it of resources, leaving it the broken husk it is today: a fate that may also await Cybertron. Megatron rejected this possibility, declaring that under his rule, Cybertron—and his legacy—would last forever. {{storylink|Fallout (issue)|Fallout}} On arrival at the Pillar of Rust, Megatron was met by the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]], who had come to Junkion to finish what Scorponok had started by killing him. He was able to fight off several of his attackers, but [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gar]] was too much for him to handle in his injured state. Egged on and taunted by Pentius, Megatron realized he had one last resource left to use: the Quintesson himself. Telling Pentius that his legacy would live on within him, he tore out the alien's [[spark]] and used it to fuel himself, granting him enough power to defeat Hun-Gar. He spared the Terrorcons in exchange for their loyalty, then returned to Cybertron on their ship to take revenge on Scorponok and take back control of the Decepticons. {{storylink|Prey (issue)|Prey}}

[[File:Monstrosity12 strange turns.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Well, well, well... how the [[Microbots|tables turn]]...]]
Megatron returned to a Cybertron in chaos, as the ancient reptilian [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] had been unleashed by Scorponok and was in the midst of razing Iacon. After reasserting his leadership of the Decepticons by beating Scorponok nearly to death, he had Shockwave restore his body to its original shape and condition, {{storylink|The Illusion of Control}} and set out to investigate the Trypticon situation alone, unwilling to risk his soldiers in the face of the beast's uncontrolled fury. Finding an injured Optimus Prime on the battlefield, Megatron lectured him, but opted to leave him alive so that he could watch as the Decepticon leader defeated the enemy that Prime could not. Megatron was attacked by [[Grimlock (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Grimlock]], but as they grappled, they were swallowed by Trypticon. {{storylink|Annihilation}} Within the giant, the pair set their differences aside to fend off the [[cyber-morphic predator]]s that populated his interior, and together, they destroyed Trypticon's internal power cell, taking him offline. A tense standoff between the Autobots and Decepticons followed as the two warriors emerged from within Trypticon, but both sides agreed to go their separate ways for the time being. Not long after the battle, however, Megatron removed Pentius's spark from within himself and installed it within Trypticon. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (issue)|Belly of the Beast}}

[[File:Primacy4 megatron imprisoned.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"I just need a feather from Laserbeak and I'll be out of here in no time..."]]
After being fully repaired following his ordeals, Megatron roused Trypticon by exploiting the connection they now shared thanks to both having borne Pentius's spark. Discovering that Trypticon now possessed the consciousness of Pentius, Megatron was immediately suspicious of the Quintesson's potential treachery and was staggered by the visions of undiluted evil he saw in the aliens' past via their spark-link, but Trypticon assured him that he was dedicated to their shared goal of breaking a world. {{storylink|Primacy issue 1|Primacy #1}} Using Trypticon's city-ship alternate mode, Megatron took to the stars, rounding up the scattered Decepticon army and even recruiting Junkions and Sharkticons. {{storylink|Primacy issue 2|Primacy #2}} Returning to Cybertron in force, Megatron was content to wait and watch from the sidelines while his troops viciously tore into Iacon. Trypticon was defeated in battle by Metroplex, at which point Megatron's folly was revealed: through their link, Pentius mockingly revealed his intention to use Trypticon consume Cybertron once the Autobots and Decepticons had weakened each other. {{storylink|Primacy issue 3|Primacy #3}} Leaving his men with orders to burn Iacon to the ground if he failed in order to spare it such a fate, Megatron set off for Trypticon's fallen body in hopes that he would be able to remove Pentius's spark before the giant revived. Confronted atop Trypticon by Optimus Prime, Megatron tried to goad the Autobot leader into destroying him, believing that Pentius would be destroyed with him thanks to their link. Refusing to accept death as the answer, Optimus instead used the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to purify Megatron, burning Pentius's spark away; Megatron, however, vowed that he would never stop hating Optimus in spite of what he had done for him. Sadly resigned to the fact that the once-noble revolutionary he had admired was now lost, Optimus knocked out the weakened Megatron and took him into custody. {{storylink|Primacy issue 4|Primacy #4}}
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===The spreading conflict===
[[File:MTMTE14 megatron vs overlord.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|"For you, the day Megatron graced your Pit was the most important Day of your life. But for me, it was Tuesday."]]
Megatron's forces were quick to come to his rescue however, breaking him out under cover of the night. {{storylink|Post}} Early in the continuing conflict, Megatron authored ''[[Towards Peace]]'', a new treatise to replace ''After the Ark'', in which he described continuing to fight the war until the very notion of conflict was literally inconceivable. Then and only then would he finally give up his fusion cannon. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} The earliest edition of the work featured a dedication to Terminus, which Megatron would later remove to reflect the lesson his friendship with Terminus had taught him: not to get attached. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Friendships were a weakness, and Megatron exploited this in the cruelest way possible: by corrupting Optimus Prime's old friend [[Tarn (DJD)|Damus]], turning him into one of the most vicious, dedicated Decepticons of all, a devoted worshiper at the altar of Megatron, purely to hurt Prime. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}}

Megatron oversaw the creation of a class of super-warriors known as the [[Warriors Elite]], selecting only his most powerful troops to undergo the torturous upgrade, including [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]], a brilliant sadist and frequent opponent of his from his pit-fighting days who had developed an obsession with Megatron after the Decepticon leader dealt him his first ever defeat. {{storylink|Remembrance Day}} At some point, he also created the [[Decepticon Justice Division]] to deal with traitors, and appointed Damus—now code-named "Tarn"—as its leader, {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} though he elected not to send them after Deadlock when he defected, valuing the warrior enough to instead dispatch [[Lockdown (G1)|Lockdown]] to bring him in. {{storylink|Drift issue 2|Drift #2}} He would reportedly spend "half the war" searching for a way to remotely access a [[black hole]], in order to use [[antimatter]] for power, but never succeeded. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

[[File:ChaosTheory prime vs megatron montage.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Good times, bad times.]]
Megatron would personally clash with Optimus Prime many times; Optimus grew to respect and fear Megatron as a calm, calculating and measured opponent, while Megatron himself respected Prime's sheer power and his skill as a tactician and as a leader. {{storylink|Escalation issue 5|Escalation #5}} Megatron would later incorrectly recall their battle on [[Sherma Bridge]] during the [[Rorsha Campaign]] as the first time they met. Said battle was certainly momentous—every Autobot and Decepticon stopped fighting to witness their duel, during which Megatron's cannon arm was sliced off by Prime's [[energon-axe]], and he claimed revenge by throwing the Autobot leader off the bridge. As the war spread to other planets, they would meet again and again: during the [[Siege of Massunstrad]], Megatron sealed Prime in an anti-matter chamber; on [[Rada Mor]], Prime reduced Megatron to ashes with sentient explosives; and in the midst of the [[Vorsk Offensive]], Megatron was nearly sliced in half by Prime. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} Though he resisted [[Solomus|Tyrest]]'s attempts to find a "Two City-State Solution" to the war, he did agree to abide by the [[Tyrest Accord]]. {{storylink|Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|House of Ambus}}

Megatron took on a new pistol alternate mode for the [[Battle for Hell's Point]], during which he was used by [[Heretech]] to blast [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. {{storylink|The Gloaming}} During the same skirmish, Megatron took off half of Prime's face with his energon mace, but had a city block dropped on him by Prime in retribution, which shattered his [[transformation cog]] and trapped him in gun mode for two years. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} Prime was not the only old face that Megatron would see again during the war: during a battle on an aerial drilling platform over the [[Manganese Mountains]], Megatron came face-to-face with his old friend Impactor, and stood poised to execute him until Impactor gave him a moment's pause by recalling his old fondness for poetry. In this moment, Megatron was knocked from the platform by [[Springer (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Springer]] and sent plummeting to the mountains below. {{storylink|Zero Point}}

[[File:LastStandoftheWreckers2-teleconference.jpg|upright=1.66|left|thumb|"We attack the Rice Krispies guys at dawn! Assuming Judd Hirsch delivers the goods."]]
At the war's zenith, Megatron sealed himself in an [[Omniglobe]] to absorb the relentless flood of data coming in from countless fronts. {{storylink|Rules of Disengagement (issue)|Rules of Disengagement}} With total war going nowhere, he would go on to develop a six-stage [[infiltration protocol]] to be used for conquering targeted planets. The sixth phase called for outright planetary razing, and Megatron selected three of his Warriors Elite for this task: [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} Overlord, and [[Black Shadow (Victory)|Black Shadow]]. He informed this trio of his decision via teleconference, but Overlord, tired of being used as someone else's weapon, refused. Megatron threatened to hunt Overlord down for his disobedience, {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 2|Last Stand of the Wreckers #2}} but while the powerful warrior spent the rest of his life preparing for this conflict, Megatron never followed up and left him to stew in his own obsession. {{storylink|Last Stand of the Wreckers issue 5|Last Stand of the Wreckers #5}}

[[File:Stormbringer1 get up and fight.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|You don't gotta go home Prime but you can't stay here.]]
Deducing that the Autobot/Decepticon war would culminate in an energy crisis that would threatened the stability of Cybertron itself, Shockwave left Cybertron to secretly pursue alternate energy sources. Around 10,000 years ago, when Shockwave did not return, Megatron ordered Bludgeon to investigate his files, {{storylink|Spotlight: Shockwave}} secretly assigning Soundwave to investigate Bludgeon {{storylink|Spotlight: Soundwave}} and probe deeper into whatever it was Shockwave had created. {{storylink|Shockpoint}}

Shockwave's prediction soon proved accurate, and Cybertron found itself in the throes of an energy shortage. Decepticon scientist [[Thunderwing (G1)|Thunderwing]] came to Megatron with a revolutionary, controversial plan to stave off this energy death by [[Pretender|polydermal grafting]], a process where they encased themselves in "symbiotic carapaces", or shells created from living tissue. When Megatron dismissed him angrily and cut him down, Thunderwing did not abandon his research; instead, he experimented on himself. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3|Stormbringer #3}} {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 4|Stormbringer #4}} The process gave him immense power, but drove him insane. He became so dangerous that Megatron had to join forces with Optimus Prime to stop him. This battle at [[Thunderhead Pass]] accelerated the apocalypse destined to befall Cybertron, leaving it an uninhabitable, radioactive husk and forcing both armies to continue their war on other worlds. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #1}} Megatron advocated that they simply destroy Cybertron to ensure that Thunderwing was destroyed, but Prime refused, and threatened to stop Megatron if he tried. Megatron agreed not to destroy the planet, but warned Prime that whatever happened was on his head. Shortly after the last big push by the Decepticons, Cybertron was abandoned by both factions. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 1|Stormbringer #2}}

In the mid-19th century, Starscream reported to Megatron regarding a failed alliance with the [[Dire Wraith]]s and their unfeasibility as allies. Megatron congratulated Starscream... for finding yet another way to disappoint him. {{storylink|Shining Armor issue 5|Shining Armor #5}}

===Breaking protocol===
[[File:Infiltration4 enter megatron.jpg|upright=1.3|left|thumb|Megatron (Second Printing Preview)]]
In the early 21st century, when word reached Megatron that the infiltration unit led by [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]], stationed on the planet [[Earth]], had broken protocol, he headed for the planet to investigate. Examining the unit's abandoned bunker in [[Nebraska]] for information, he discovered that Starscream had stumbled across [[Ore-13]]—an incredible energy source that (unbeknownst to Megatron) was the end result of Shockwave's experiments—and was planning to use it to usurp Megatron's command. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 4|Infiltration #4}} While studying the bunker's files, he was contacted by [[Razorclaw (G1)|Razorclaw]] with some distressing news: Bludgeon's investigations of Shockwave's files had led him to revive Thunderwing. Megatron ordered the [[Predacon (G1)|Predacons]] to Cybertron, authorizing them to do whatever was necessary to destroy Thunderwing, including the destruction of their homeworld itself. {{storylink|Stormbringer issue 3|Stormbringer #3}} Just as he was handing down this order, Megatron was happened upon by [[Verity Carlo]], a human ally of the Autobot unit active on the planet, {{storylink|Infiltration issue 4|Infiltration #4}} but he utterly ignored her. The bunker was then leveled by an airstrike courtesy of [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]] and [[Skywarp (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Skywarp]], who were merely covering their unit's tracks and unaware of Megatron's presence; when their leader furiously emerged from the wreckage, Skywarp attempted to explain their ignorance, but Megatron simply responded by blasting him out of the sky. Blitzwing favored opening fire rather than attempting explanations, so Megatron beat the stuffing out of him too, then set off for Starscream's new bunker in [[Oregon]]. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 5|Infiltration #5}}

[[File:Infiltration6 takeyourpunishment.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Those librarians are getting really strict on late returns.]]

{{quote|You will stand down. If you fight, you ''die''. There is no room anymore for mercy. In the end, you are ''all'' expendable. Choose.|Megatron's ultimatum to Starscream's renegade troops|[[Infiltration issue 6|''Infiltration'' #6]]}}

[[Orbital jump]]ing to Oregon, Megatron called Starscream out and ordered the team to stand down, disgusted to see such power games being played amongst his troops. His brief, chilling speech was enough to take the fight out of all but Starscream, who, powered-up on Ore-13, took Megatron on himself. Though the new power source made Starscream a formidable adversary, Megatron was still more deadly than he, and Starscream was taken out by a point-blank fusion cannon blast through his torso. Megatron ordered the Decepticons to ensure that Starscream survived, and then, observing the Autobots who had been watching the battle, announced that it was time to begin phase two. {{storylink|Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6}}

In light of the discovery of Ore-13, Megatron took stock of Starscream's progress on Earth and elected to get the infiltration protocol back on track himself, calling a meeting to make Starscream's former troops and making them aware, in no uncertain terms, that any further insurrections would be met with deadly force. {{storylink|Escalation issue 1|Escalation #1}} He continued to order his troops on Earth directly, {{storylink|Escalation issue 2|Escalation #2}} and was even able to revisit his past gun alternate mode, once again able to achieve the [[size changing|mass displacement]] the mode required thanks to the extra energy Ore-13 provided. {{storylink|Escalation issue 3|Escalation #3}}

[[File:Megsandspidy.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron/Spiderman #1 Retailer's Incentive]]
With his forces joined by [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], a new arrival who Megatron suspected of having ulterior motives, {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}} the Decepticon leader initiated phase two of infiltration protocol by destabilizing relations between the European nations of [[Latveria]] and [[Symkaria]] through use of an aggression-inducing [[Psycho-Prism]], stolen from Latverian dictator [[Doctor Doom]]. When the superhero team known as the [[Avengers]] investigated the array the Decepticons' were using to broadcast the prism's signal, Megatron abducted the arachnid-powered [[Spider-Man]] to use as a subject for their [[mirror response mode]], {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part One}} draining the hero's powers and infusing himself and the other Decepticons with them. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Two}} He proceeded to forge a brief alliance with Doctor Doom, who helped him defeat and capture the allied Autobot/Avenger team who snuck inside the Decepticons' array, but when Doom's suggestion to threaten the captives in order to force the other heroes to lay down their arms failed, Megatron violently dissolved the partnership. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Three}} Emerging from the confines of the array to take on the Autobots and Avengers himself, Megatron refrained from engaging Prime, foreseeing a more intimate confrontation between the two of them in the near future, and instead turned his attention to destroying [[Iron Man]]'s Transformer-sized armor. The tables soon turned, however, when Doctor Doom freed the captive Autobots and used the Decepticon's mirror response technology to empower them. Defeated by these enhanced Autobots and with the Psycho-Prism destroyed by [[Wolverine (Marvel)|Wolverine]], Megatron used the last of his extra power to teleport the Decepticons out with an [[emergency warp-out]]. He refrained from departing alongside his warriors, intending to slaughter the Avengers for their interference, but when he was immobilized by Spider-Man's webbing, knocked to the ground by [[Luke Cage]], and rattled by a hail of Autobot fire, he finally warped-out with a final taunt to Optimus Prime of the battle yet to come between them. {{storylink|Man and Machine, Part Four}}
[[File:Escalation3-Massdisplacement.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Shock and Awe]]
With phase two of [[infiltration protocol]] properly underway, Megatron recognized that he ''should'' rightly withdraw and install a new unit commander on Earth, but could not resist the chance to try out his new Ore-13 empowered body, selecting the nation of [[Brasnya]], where Decepticon subterfuge was already underway, as his testing ground. {{storylink|Escalation issue 2|Escalation #2}} Allowing the Decepticon's [[facsimile construct]] [[Georgi Koska]] to wield him in pistol mode, Megatron had Koska use him to first sever a [[Russia]]n oil pipeline, and then to fire upon the soldiers who came to investigate, furthering the political and military tensions already brewing in the region. When word came through from Blitzwing that Optimus Prime and the Autobots had arrived, {{storylink|Escalation issue 3|Escalation #3}} Megatron at last engaged Optimus directly, {{storylink|Escalation issue 4|Escalation #4}} and although Prime was able to destroy his fusion cannon, the extra strength afforded Megatron by Ore-13 allowed him to physically beat Prime into submission, punching directly into his chest and crushing his [[spark]]. {{storylink|Escalation issue 5|Escalation #5}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Optimus Prime}} [[File:Escalation5 prime vs megs.jpg|upright=1.4|left|thumb|''I got me a shovel I'm digging a ditch...'']] The horrified Autobots moved into a full but ineffective counterattack, their only edge being that Megatron had no long-range guns left. It turned out that Prime's apparent death was a desperate ruse when the Autobot leader countered with a surprise attack on Megatron, able to exploit Ore-13's weakness—the more it's used, the faster it burns itself out. Megatron almost collapsed from power loss and was forced to have Skywarp take him to safety before the Autobots could kill him. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6|Escalation #6}}

Furious over the embarrassing defeat, Megatron threw protocol out the window and ordered that Sixshot be summoned to the planet. {{storylink|Escalation issue 6|Escalation #6}} He took out some of his anger on Ramjet, who he discovered had been busy cooking up a plot to overthrow him; without saying a word, he beat the attempted traitor to death before tearing him apart and keeping his head as a trophy. {{storylink|Spotlight: Ramjet}}
[[File:Devastation5 decepticons attack.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|''And I'm gonna fight for this four square feet of land Like a mean old son of a bitch'']]
Upon Sixshot's arrival, Megatron ordered him to utterly destroy the Autobots, and although the [[Phase Sixer]] questioned his early deployment, he was happy to go along with the abandonment of the phase structure. The other Decepticons, on the other hand, were worried that Megatron was losing his grip—and since they were too scared to tell him that, they decided to revive Starscream to do it for them. {{storylink|Devastation issue 1|Devastation #1}} {{storylink|Maximum Dinobots issue 1|Maximum Dinobots #1}} Megatron monitored Sixshot's attack on the Autobots' [[Ark-19]], ordering him to pursue the escape pod that broke away from the crashing craft, {{storylink|Devastation issue 2|Devastation #2}} but before he could obliterate the Autobots, Megatron was forced to recall him to deal with a new threat assaulting the Decepticon base—the alien [[Reaper]]s. {{storylink|Devastation issue 4|Devastation #4}} Unfortunately, the Reapers convinced Sixshot to side with them, and when an Ore-13 powered Starscream entered the fray to take Sixshot down, Megatron realized his troops had been conspiring against him. He decided not to punish them '''yet''', due to greater threat posed by the Reapers, {{storylink|Devastation issue 5|Devastation #5}} and entered battle alongside them all, even allowing Starscream to wield him in pistol mode against the aliens. After the invaders were dead, however, he turned on his men, starting with Blitzwing—but was forced to realize that they needed to remain united when it became apparent that their battle with the Reapers had made humanity inescapably aware of their existence {{storylink|Devastation issue 6|Devastation #6}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Grimlock}}
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===All Hail Megatron===
[[File:AHM7 megs rips out matrix.jpg|upright=1.1|left|thumb|[[The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|"I don't think I'd have made a good medic. No patience."]]]]
While the Decepticons were occupied fighting the Reapers, the Autobots had left Earth to deal with the greater threat of an incursion by the [[Dead Universe]]. Exploiting their enemies' absence, Megatron and his men went to ground; when Autobots returned, they could find no trace of the Decepticons, who kept one step ahead of them for months. Secretly abducting [[Hunter O'Nion]], former [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] partner to the Autobot [[Sunstreaker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sunstreaker]], Megatron and his men returned to Cybertron, where Megatron had [[Deluge (G2)|Deluge]] conduct experiments that bred a [[Insecticon swarm|swarm]] of monstrous [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]]. The experiments culminated in the creation of [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell]], who Megatron employed in a series of key tasks in his plan: the Insecticon obtained from Hunter's mind various Autobot secrets and codes, completed Shockwave's long-gestating combiner process, granting the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] the ability to combine into [[Devastator (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Devastator]], and created a working [[space bridge]] {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} based on designs sold to them by Sixshot in exchange for his freedom. {{storylink|Spotlight: Metroplex}}

Returning to Earth, the Decepticons staged a phony schism within their ranks, allowing the Autobots to believe that they had "disappeared" as a result of a power struggle that had split their ranks into two camps, one led by Megatron and one by Starscream. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} Starscream then approached Sunstreaker, whose experience as a Headmaster had left him bitter and jaded, with the proposition that the Autobots join with his forces against Megatron, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 8|All Hail Megatron #8}} but when the Autobots arrived at the designated time and place, they were instead confronted by the united Decepticon army and quickly defeated by Devastator. After personally tearing [[Matrix of Leadership]] from Optimus Prime's chest, Megatron marched the captive Autobots through the space bridge back to Cybertron, where the Insecticon swarm waited for them. Prime, however, was able to damage the bridge, causing it to deposit the Autobots a safe distance from the swarm, but in the process, fried his own circuits and left himself comatose. Though the Autobots had escaped the fate he had intended for them, Megatron had successfully exiled his enemies to their dead homeworld; moreover, using information and codes gained from Sunstreaker and Hunter, he concurrently orchestrated the event that would later be known as [[Surge (event)|The Surge]], as Decepticons stormed Autobot installations all across the galaxy, achieving total victory. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}}

[[File:AHM1 decepticons attack.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron's urban renewal program was off to a flying start.]]
With galaxy-wide domination accomplished, one year after the Decepticons' battle with the Reapers, Megatron chose Earth to become the new Decepticon homeworld. Together with his men, Megatron stormed [[New York City]], humiliating Starscream with a display of his greater capacity for destruction. When the US Air Force retaliated, Megatron shrugged off their fire and ordered the other Decepticons to engage them; when one damaged jet threw itself toward him in a suicide run, Megatron, outraged at the [[DJ (G1)|pilot]]'s temerity, destroyed it and its occupant with a furious swipe of his hand. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 1|All Hail Megatron #1}} When US Army forces arrived, Megatron ordered [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] dispatched to deal with them, then sent Devastator to destroy the subway tunnels leading out of the city. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 2|All Hail Megatron #2}} With New York secured, Megatron directed the Constructicons to begin building a new space bridge in the city's heart, and had a candid talk with Starscream, revealing his belief that the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]'s attitude and actions marked him as the embodiment of the Decepticon cause, even if he was blind to seeing it himself. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 3|All Hail Megatron #3}} After a series of further attacks on major American cities saw the country firmly crushed under the Decepticons' collective heel, Megatron made a propaganda speech to his men in the ruins of New York. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 4|All Hail Megatron #4}} As night fell upon the city, Megatron withdrew to privately gloat over the Matrix. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 5|All Hail Megatron #5}}

[[File:AHM6MegatronVsIsrael.jpg|left|upright=1.66|thumb|Starscream just told Megatron that ''All Hail Megatron'' is going to go on for another six issues. He's taking it pretty well, all things considered.]]
As the Decepticons began attacking other countries around the globe, Megatron was questioned by Starscream on what the next step in his plan was. A recalcitrant Megatron merely informed him that it was merely time to savor their victory, but Starscream accused him of not ''having'' any plans post-victory, and was merely allowing his men to run wild to distract them from any notion of taking power for themselves. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}} What Starscream did not realize was that Megatron did indeed have a plan: to defeat the Autobots, he had created an army of killers and monsters, but in order to create his perfect rule, that army would have to be destroyed, the dissenting, distasteful elements obliterated before Megatron's peace could dawn. Megatron was not distracting his warriors... he was ''waiting'' to see which of them would question and turn on him. Silently sorrowful to already know that such dissent would begin with Starscream, an otherwise-model Decepticon, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} Megatron withdrew to [[Israel]] for some silent reflection amid wholesale devastation. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

[[File:AHM10 megs vs devastator.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Megatron's negotiations regarding the Constructicons' Work Union going unusually SMOOTHLY this time around.]]
Some time later, Megatron surveyed the space bridge Bombshell and the Constructicons had built in New York. He congratulated Bombshell on his work, but revealed that he had always foreseen Bombshell's intellect as a danger—had always known he and his fellow Insecticons would side with Starscream when the time came. His gambit exposed, Starscream made his move and attacked, but the Insecticons proved no match for Megatron's might. The Decepticon leader had failed to anticipate one thing, however: he did not foresee the Constructicons siding with Starscream, and found himself having to fight the mighty Devastator. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} The in-fighting was halted by a last-ditch attack by the mustered might of what remained of the human resistance, forcing Megatron and Starscream to put their differences aside momentarily and organize a defense. This attack came as no surprise to Megatron, but the same could not be said for the next entrants onto the battlefield: the Autobots had returned.

After assuring Starscream that he would be leader in the future, when his time was done, Megatron confronted Optimus Prime, surprised not so much that his old foe had survived, but that he had bothered to return to Earth. Both leaders had always maintained a policy of acceptable losses through their millennia-long war, so Megatron assumed Prime had come back for selfish reasons, to reclaim the Matrix, but Prime insisted that he had changed, and would no longer allow their cold war to endanger innocent lives on this scale. [[File:AHM12 prime vs megs.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Like Homer Simpson putting on his pants, the struggle between Optimus Prime and Megatron remains eternal. [[...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|Almost.]]]] Megatron scoffed at the notion, reavling that Prime's supposedly "innocent" humans were planning to nuke New York, killing millions of their own just to get rid of the Decepticons, {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} but Prime retorted that it wasn't ''just'' about the humans, but also about the difference between Autobots and Decepticons. The two came to blows, but Megatron triumphed in short order and commanded the Decepticons to depart, leaving the Autobots to be killed by the humans' nuke... but just before they withdrew, he was shot in the face by human soldier [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Spike Witwicky]], wielding a powerful weapon reverse-engineered from Cybertronian technology. Injured and disoriented by the blast, Megatron was finished off when Prime smashed his face in with his own fusion cannon. As he wanted to ''take'' leadership rather than just have it fall in his hands, Starscream picked up his damaged leader and ordered the Decepticons to retreat. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[File:AllHisEngines-Megatron.jpg|thumb|Pretty sure when you float in a bacta tank you're supposed to be wearing a diaper.]]
The Decepticons departed Earth aboard Astrotrain, where the gravely wounded Megatron was put on life support and tended to by Soundwave and his cassettes. With Megatron's life signs only at ten percent capacity, Starscream attempted to appeal to Soundwave's sense of logic and have him shut down so that leadership could be his, but Soundwave refused. Starscream was soon able to take command, however, when he recovered the Matrix of Leadership and professed to have been chosen by it. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 13|Uneasy Lies the Head}}

===New body, new powers===
The Decepticons eventually settled on a desolate asteroid, where Megatron was installed in a [[CR chamber|CR tank]]. Retaining some level of awareness of the events occurring around him during his convalescence, he was forced to watch as his army languished in inactivity, their energy slowly ebbing away until they were reduced to cannibalism. {{storylink|All His Engines}} After a year of trying to free his leader from this living death, Soundwave was finally forced to conclude that Megatron's body was beyond repair, and recruited the recently returned Shockwave, whom Starscream had provided with the majority of the Decepticons' resources to create a space bridge, to help build a new body for Megatron's consciousness to inhabit. The operation succeeded and Megatron was reborn in a deadly new body, powered by Ore-13, armed with a devastatingly powerful rail gun, and even equipped with space bridge nodes stolen from Metroplex, which gave him the ability to open space bridge portals on his own. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}}

[[File:IDWongoing15 megatrons new body.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|"Uh, it's like...did anyone ever see the movie ''Tron''?"]]
Back in action, Megatron devised a plan to destabilize the relationship between the humans and Autobots on Earth. Together with Soundwave and Shockwave, he chopped up his old body and used it to create human-scaled replicas of his former gun mode, containing small pieces of his own consciousness. When Starscream caught them in the act, Megatron elected to table his plan for the moment, as he considered it folly to go against Starscream's wishes for the moment since the Seeker was still in possession of the Matrix of Leadership. Megatron had never truly understood what the talisman ''did'', but it served as a threat merely by being an unknown variable. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} Fortunately, for Megatron this variable was soon removed from the equation when Hot Rod, estranged from the Earthbound Autobots, infiltrated the Decepticons' asteroid base and recovered the Matrix from Starscream. Megatron seized his chance, intercepting the Autobot and blasting him and the Matrix out into the void of space. {{storylink|Heart Like a Wheel}}

[[File:SLMegatron stealth bomber mode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Behold... the ''Bomberang!'']]
With Starscream's trump card now gone, Megatron had the Decepticons gathered so he could address them. Distrustful of Shockwave's motives for preparing his new body, wary of Soundwave's constant surveillance, and repulsed by the state of his once fearsome Decepticon war machine, Megatron decided that he needed to unequivocally reestablish dominance over the now Matrix-less Starscream. He intended to beat Starscream near to death as a means of letting them both work out their frustrations with Starscream's inability to lead effectively during Megatron's absence, but Starscream did not want to fight—spiritually broken by his failures, he simply wanted Megatron to kill him. Rather than accept this, Megatron instead goaded Starscream into opening fire upon him. This began a running battle between the two, with Megatron pursuing the fleeing Seeker in his new stealth bomber alternate mode, continuing to bait Starscream every time he appeared willing to give up the fight. Incensed by Starscream's accusation that he did not know what it felt like to see everything he had worked for fall apart, when that was exactly what Starscream's pitiful leadership had done to the empire he had created, Megatron pummeled him to within an inch of his life, then paused to explain why he kept a schemer like Starscream around: as a constant reminder to watch his back. The brutal display galvanized the languid Decepticons, and Megatron was ready to begin his scheme. {{storylink|Spotlight: Megatron}}

[[File:IDWongoing14 megatron guns.jpg|upright=1.66|left|thumb|Megatron doesn't support the NRA. He IS the NRA.]]
Roughly two years after the Decepticons' defeat on Earth, Megatron used his space bridge powers to dispatch a container full of the guns made from his old body to Earth, where they were found by South American gun-runners and illegally disseminated amongst an increasingly paranoid public seeking ways to protect themselves against Transformers. This allowed Megatron's consciousness to spread across North America, until it was focused enough to contact one particular owner of a Megatron gun: [[Joe Gladki]]. He deceived and manipulated the paranoid human, and eventually convinced him to perform an assassination attempt on [[Bumblebee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Bumblebee]], the new Autobot leader. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 2: Altered Carbon|Altered Carbon}} In their ignorance, the Autobots then mistook Gladki's gun for Megatron himself and held it captive. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 1: The Demolished Man|The Demolished Man}}

[[File:IDWongoing16 megatron vs autobots.jpg|upright=1.2|thumb|Not the [[Realignments|first time]] he's traded his [[fusion cannon]] for a [[rail gun]].]]
With the Autobots in chaos, Megatron started the next phase of his plan and returned to Earth personally, where he used his new stealth bomber mode to shoot down a plane carrying Optimus Prime and several other Autobots. He then hunted down the remaining Autobots, effortlessly defeating them and their new temporary leader Ultra Magnus with his powerful new body, and killing some of their [[Skywatch]] allies. Magnus tried to draw Megatron's attention from the humans, claiming the Autobots were the ones he really wanted, but Megatron assured him that humanity was his real target. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 3: Woken Furies|Woken Furies}} Taking the defeated Autobots captive, Megatron dumped them in a city and directed three of his mind-controlled human puppets to kill them. Contacting Prime directly, Megatron summoned him to the city's outskirts and revealed his plan: crush Prime's spirit and destroy the Autobots' alliance with humanity by forcing them to choose between fighting the humans or allowing them to kill them. Prime found the hole in Megatron's plan, however, when he realized that Soundwave was maintaining the connection between Megatron and his guns, and shot him in the head. His connection to his pawns severed, Megatron scooped up Soundwave and withdrew. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 4: Burning Chrome|Burning Chrome}} Thanks to a tracker Ultra Magnus had slipped on Soundwave, though, Prime was able to follow the Decepticons to their bolthole and called Megatron out for a full and proper confrontation. In actuality, Prime had lured Megatron outside so Skywatch could drop a [[kinetic harpoon]] on him, but even a weapon dropped from orbit barely proved able to put a scratch in Megatron's mighty new exostructure. Megatron proceeded to beat Prime senseless, but then returned him to the Autobots, and to their great shock, surrendered to their custody. After recovering, Optimus demanded to know why he had surrendered, but Megatron merely taunted him by revealing that Spike Witwicky had murdered a Decepticon in cold blood. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}} Prime immediately had Prowl begin investigating Spike and Skywatch, and Prowl interrogated the Decepticon leader for information, which he provided after a little verbal sparring. {{storylink|Police Action: Prologue}}

[[File:ChaosTheory1 megatron imprisoned.jpg|upright=1.5|left|thumb|Megatron and Optimus Prime can't agree on a safe word.]]
When Rodimus returned to Earth and warned the Autobots that [[Galvatron (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Galvatron]] had taken control of Cybertron, Optimus decided to lead the Autobots in reclaiming their homeworld. In the name of Earth's safety, he elected to bring Megatron and the confiscated guns made from his old body with them. {{storylink|Space Opera—Final Tableaux: Orphans of the Helix|Orphans of the Helix}} On the way to Cybertron aboard [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], Prime again attempted to discern why Megatron had surrendered, even releasing his old foe from his bonds and having a civil conversation with him about their past together and their dueling ideologies. Optimus tried to reach out to Megatron, offering him the chance to end the war once and for all with a handshake; Megatron appeared to consider it for a moment but ultimately remained silent. With Megatron returned to the confines of the [[variable voltage harness]], the other Autobots pressured Optimus for a decision on his fate: execution or imprisonment. Trying to come to a conclusion, Prime asked Megatron if he regretted any of his actions, but the Decepticon leader remarked that he only regretted not killing ''more'' Autobots. He taunted Prime with the notion that even he was thankful for the war, as it had raised him from a nobody to the greatest Autobot in history, and a furious Prime activated the harness, electrocuting Megatron. The jolt would have killed Megatron if Omega Supreme had not cut the power in time and Megatron, struggling to stay conscious, offered Prime his thanks for saving his life all those years ago in Rodion. Shocked by his actions, Prime realized that Megatron wanted to die and wanted Prime to be the one to kill him. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 1|Chaos Theory #1}} Eventually, Prime decided to let Megatron choose his own fate, and Megatron calmly replied that he chose death. {{storylink|Chaos Theory Part 2|Chaos Theory #2}}

[[File:Chaos2 armored megatron.jpg|upright=1.3|thumb|...Again...?]]
As Omega drew close to Cybertron, Megatron demanded to know who or what was threatening their homeworld, but Optimus Prime refused to provde him with any information. {{storylink| Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations}} The Autobots subsequently engaged Galvatron's forces in battle, and while they were occupied, Megatron put into motion the ace he had up his sleeve: taking remote control of the numerous "Megatron guns" aboard Omega, Megatron summoned them to him and combined with them into a new armored mode. Breaking free from his restraints, he headed out to confront Galvatron, intent that nobody would take his world from him. {{storylink|Chaos Part Two: Numbers|Numbers}} As he tore through the Sweeps, Megatron also revealed the reason for his surrender: now that he was back on Cybertron, he could open a space bridge that would allow the massed forces of the Decepticons on Earth to return to their home planet as well. Unfortunately, not long after the Decepticons arrived on the battlefield, Galvatron's secret puppet master, the Dead Universe entity known as the [[D-Void]], seized control of their minds and those of the Sweeps, merging them into a gigantic, monstrous avatar. With Prime occupied pursuing Galvatron into Cybertron's depths, Megatron was left to face this "[[Deceptigod]]" alone. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings|Kings}} Fighting against the D-Void's attempts to ensnare his own mind and make him part of the collective, Megatron was gravely wounded and even lost an arm to the beast, but succeeded into destroying it, blasting it apart with one massive beam from his weapons. {{storylink|Chaos Part Four: Genesis|Genesis}}

===The long game===
Even as the Deceptigod disintegrated back into its component Decepticons, Megatron could see the potential the creature embodied—the D-Void had, in essence, created the perfect combiner by means of utterly obliterating free will. With Cybertron reverting into a primordial wasteland around him—a result of Optimus Prime purifying [[Vector Sigma]] with the Matrix to stop Galvatron and the D-Void—Megatron chose to withdraw to experiment with the possibilities this presented. He informed Shockwave, the sole Decepticon who had not been made part of the Deceptigod, of his plans, and Shockwave in turn revealed them to Soundwave and Bombshell. {{storylink|Shockpoint}} While Megatron hid in the wilderness, his Decepticons were left to live as second-class citizens in the new [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] that the Autobots built; Optimus Prime left Cybertron two weeks after the D-Void's defeat to calm tensions with "NAILs"—other unaffiliated Cybertronians—who had returned to their homeworld, but even as he did so, he mused that Megatron must still be out there somewhere. {{storylink|Transformers: The Death of Optimus Prime|The Death of Optimus Prime}}

[[File:RID11 megatron in wilderness.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Megatron can't find anyone who wants to join his nudist colony to save his skin.]]
In the months of study and experimentation that followed, Megatron discerned that the combination of Ore-13 and space bridge technology in his body somehow gave him the ability to manipulate the natural energy of Cybertron that the D-Void had used to merge the Decepticons into the Deceptigod. After experiments on [[turbofox]]es created larger, more ferocious beasts, Megatron stepped up trials when the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] seceded from the shaky government Bumblebee, [[Metalhawk (Masterforce)|Metalhawk]] and Starscream were building in Iacon and ventured into the wilderness. The signal Megatron had created from the combination energy first drove the Aerialbots mad, before uniting them in body and mind, spontaneously merging them into the gestalt [[Superion (G1)|Superion]], but this newborn Autobot combiner was considered hopelessly insane by Megatron and left to die in the wilderness. The madness aspect of the signal afforded him the chance to revive some of the principles of the infiltration protocol, however, as he blanketed the wastelands in it, forcing the Autobots, Decepticons and NAILs to stay in Iacon, causing natural conflict among them to snowball, providing a useful cover for his actions. To gain a pawn within Autobot high command, Megatron even provided Bombshell with the energy to use in conjunction with his own mind-controlling [[cerebro-shell]]s, ensnaring the mind of Prowl. With the resources and cover control of Prowl provided, Shockwave, Soundwave and Bombshell were able to use Megatron's findings to perfect the combination process, rebuilding the Constructicons with new modular designs that would allow them to merge into a perfect Devastator. The endgame was for Megatron himself to form the head of the combiner, but before risking his own mind and body, Megatron decided that Prowl would be used first as a test subject. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}}

[[File:RID12 kill him.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|"Your armor. Give it to me now."]]
The appearance of [[Metrotitan (Zone)|Metrotitan]] on Cybertron who declared that Starscream was the "Chosen One" threatened Megatron's ability to easily re-take leadership of his Decepticons, forcing him to step up his schedule. Through Prowl, he had his inner circle gathered together in the secret "[[Black Room]]", then boldly strode into Iacon for all to see. {{storylink|The End of the Beginning of the World}} His body shattered and skeletal, he professed to come in peace, but Bumblebee did not accept his surrender and ordered his Autobots to kill him. Indeed, Megatron could possibly have died there and then had Iacon's Decepticons not stepped in, insisting that Megatron's defense of Cybertron during the D-Void's attack marked him a hero and that he be taken into custody instead. {{storylink|City on Fire}} After [[Wheeljack (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Wheeljack]] got through examining him to prove his body concealed no weapons, Starscream approached the imprisoned Megatron and attempted to explain that he was not far away from taking complete power in the government, ensuring a Decepticon victory of a different kind. Megatron merely smiled silently at the notion, terrifying his ex-lieutenant with his grin. Presently, the Decepticons rose up in an angry mob and marched on Autobot high command to insist on Megatron's release; the situation quickly devolved into a riot, during which a squad led by [[Needlenose (G1)|Needlenose]] stormed the prison and freed Megatron. {{storylink|The Verge}}

[[File:RID14 new body redux.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.55|New body or not, Megatron may want to think twice about standing [[:File:Devastator-ROTFenemyscrotum.jpg|underneath Devastator's legs.]]]]
Megatron brought Starscream and the captured Bumblebee and Metalhawk to the Black Room, where he explained his plans and had himself transferred into a pre-prepared new body that could combine with the Constructicons' new forms. At his command, the Constructicons and Prowl combined into the new Devastator, who immediately set about razing Iacon. {{storylink|Before the Dawn}} Even the return of Superion seemed unable to stop the powerful new combiner, until help came from an unexpected quarter—Prowl's secret assassin [[Arcee (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Arcee]] killed Bombshell, taking out Prowl's controller and causing Devastator to shut down. This was no real impediment to Megatron, however, as the successful function of the new combiner process had been proven, and he set out to take ''his'' place as Devastator's head. Before Megatron could reach the fallen gestalt, though, Devastator awoke, possessed of his own unique, united consciousness for the first time, and resumed tearing into Iacon. {{storylink|Plan for Everything}}

[[File:RID20 megatron in forcefield.jpg|thumb|upright=1.3|You know you can't catch a break when you find yourself trapped inside a novelty plasma lamp from Spencer's.]]
Still Megatron remained unfazed, calmly fending off Autobot attacks and waiting for the inevitable moment when the heroes would take Devastator down. When [[Ironhide (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ironhide]] succeeded in doing so by managing to reach Prowl, Devastator separated, and Megatron immediately stepped in, re-initiating the combination with himself in control. Seconds before uniting with the Constructicons, though, his plan was foiled by Bumblebee, Ironhide and Prowl's activation of a secret failsafe: Wheeljack had integrated a forcefield generator into Megatron's spark casing during his examination of him, and when it was triggered, he was completely paralyzed in mid-transformation. {{storylink|Heavy Is the Head}}

In the fallout of the battle, Starscream killed Metalhawk, took control of Iacon and banished the Autobots and Decepticons from the city. He took custody of the immobilized Megatron, and silently gloated over the victory he had accomplished by using guile and politics, rather than Megatron's ways of brute force and firepower. {{storylink|Three Monologues}}

===A new approach===
Megatron would not remain incapacitated for long. That night, as the end result of millennia-long secret machinations by Shockwave, an [[Quintessa (IDW)|undead Metrotitan]] appeared on Cybertron and opened a portal to the Dead Universe in the planet's skies. Through the portal, Shockwave made contact with Galvatron and his master, the exiled Cybertron despot [[Nova Prime]], but was unable to bring them through to Cybertron thanks to the unexpected disappearance of the Titan's space bridge system. Intending to use the space bridge within Megatron as a replacement, {{storylink|Black Metal: Dark Cybertron Chapter 2|Black Metal}} Shockwave reanimated the deceased Metalhawk with a wave of necrotic energy from the Titan and had him liberate Megatron and bring him to his secret lab in [[Crystal City]]. {{storylink|Winners & Losers: Dark Cybertron Chapter 3|Winners & Losers}}

[[File:RID24 i remember you.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Somewhere in the multiverse, [[Override (G1)|Override]] and [[Jazz (Movie)|Jazz]] are smiling.]]
Shockwave hoped that Megatron would comply with his plans willingly, but the Decepticon leader refused and Shockwave forcibly activated the space bridge technology in Megatron's body. {{storylink|Into the Abyss: Dark Cybertron Chapter 4|Into the Abyss}} The opening of the bridge in his chest caused Megatron agony, but his screams were heard by Soundwave, who led the united forces of the exiled Autobots and Decepticons to Shockwave's lab to free his leader. Nova Prime and Galvatron attempted to squeeze their way through the space bridge despite this interference, but Ironhide was able to punch Nova back through into the Dead Universe. Just then, Shockwave's "Necrotitan" came crashing into the subterranean city, and in the chaos, Megatron was freed from the restraints holding him. No sooner had Megatron carried Ironhide to the safe hands of the other Autobots, however, than he was ripped in half from behind by Galvatron, who had successfully emerged through the portal {{storylink|Finest Hour: Dark Cybertron Chapter 5|Finest Hour}}—a briefer battle, no doubt, than the one Shockwave had foreseen between the pair in a vision at the outset of his scheme. {{storylink|Dark Dawn: Dark Cybertron Chapter 1|Dark Dawn}}

[[File:MTMTE26 megs and bee.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|I smell a sitcom!]]
After the battle was over, Galvatron and [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] lugged Megatron's bisected remains back into Crystal City, only to find their way barred by the unlikely form of Bumblebee, who demanded they hand Megatron over. Galvatron attacked the Autobot, at which point Megatron revealed that he was fine, as he took down Waspinator and knocked Galvatron out with a barrage of fusion cannon fire. {{storylink|The Dead Are Not Enough: Dark Cybertron Chapter 7|The Dead Are Not Enough}} Bumblebee lugged Megatron back to Iacon, currently being razed by the Necrotitan, where the Decepticon leader announced to the assembled Autobots, Decepticons and NAILs his plan to withdraw to [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]], summon the Decepticon Justice Division and other scattered troops, and strike back. Bumblebee rejected Megatron's notion of retreating, and struck a nerve within him by questioning his entire philosophy: Megatron had ''long'' ago abandoned any notion of fighting for freedom and equality, Bumblebee attested, and merely used the claim to ideology as an excuse for his actions. {{storylink|Burning Bright: Dark Cybertron Chapter 8|Burning Bright}} Fortunately, fighting back suddenly got a lot easier when Metroplex and the ''[[Lost Light]]'' space-bridged to Cybertron. During the battle between the Titans, Megatron observed Metroplex reaching for the ''Lost Light''; when the ship's crew explained that they had Metroplex's severed thumb aboard, Megatron had Bumblebee carry him to it, whereupon he realized that the thumb contained one of Shockwave's [[Regenesis]] ores. Megatron used his internal space bridge to teleport the thumb back to Metroplex, and the ore provided the giant with the power boost to defeat the Necrotitan. {{storylink|Finis Temporis: Dark Cybertron Chapter 9|Finis Temporis}}

[[File:DCFinale megatron the autobot.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|ಠ_ಠ]]
At Bumblebee's order and under protest, [[Ratchet (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ratchet]] repaired Megatron's injuries and reattached his legs, reminding Megatron of his desire in youth to be a medic. His recent string of failures, the success of ''Starscream'', of all 'bots, and Bumblebee's stinging words had turned the Decepticon leader introspective, and he realized he had forgotten something very important that had driven his writings in his early years: winning meant turning people to your way of thinking, not dominating them. {{storylink|The Becoming: Dark Cybertron Chapter 10|The Becoming}} Subsequently, when Shockwave initiated his millennia-long plan to collapse all reality into a universal black hole, Megatron placed himself and the Decepticons under Bumblebee's command to co-ordinate a counter-strike, and journeyed with his uneasy new "friend" into Shockwave's [[Crystal City]] base to confront their shared enemy. There, they found the weakened Galvatron, who Megatron prepared to destroy for past indignities, until Bumblebee talked him down, convincing him that blood did not have to be repaid with blood. At that moment, Shockwave struck, slaying Bumblebee with a blast, and driving Megatron into a rage. {{storylink|Black Planet: Dark Cybertron Chapter 11|Black Planet}} Empowered by his various ores and the energy of the Dead Universe, Shockwave was a formidable opponent and it was all Megatron could do to hold his own against him until Optimus Prime arrived to join the fight. Prime attempted to reason with Shockwave and remind him of the kindly senator he had once been, but his words had little effect, so Megatron opted for a more object lesson: removing the fallen Bumblebee's insignia, he placed it upon his chest and declared himself an Autobot. The stunned Shockwave lost control of the time machine powering his plot, causing his old pre-[[Shadowplay]] memories to emerge. Horrified at what he had become, he allowed Megatron and Prime to kill him, which caused the time machine to collapse into a singularity. Megatron and Prime made what seemed to be a futile dash for freedom, but were saved from the singularity's pull at the last moment by the timely arrival of the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}}

===Crimes against the Species===
{{quote|I don't want to be acquitted. I want to '''make amends'''|Megatron on his new goal in life|"[[World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide]]"}}
[[File:DCFinale this is not a trick.jpg|thumb|upright=1.95|Optimus apparently decided a sincere Megatron was a cue for mood lighting.]]
In a private meeting between Optimus Prime and Megatron a short time after Shockwave's defeat, Megatron affirmed that his change of heart was genuine, and Optimus assured him that he could see past his wartime deeds and remember the well-intentioned 'bot he had started out as. {{storylink|...And the Damage Done: Dark Cybertron Finale|...And the Damage Done}} The rest of Cybertron, however, demanded a trial; Autobot High Command agreed, realizing that the Decepticon leader's fate had to be decided in public. Before the trial, Megatron was approached by Optimus, [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] and Rodimus in an attempt to extract some of the Decepticon's memories as evidence in hopes of expediting the proceedings, but a horrified Megatron refused, considering the sanctity of his mind all he had left. After Optimus departed, Rodimus remained to taunt Megatron with the certainty of his execution; in return, the impassive Decepticon simply asked Rodimus to deliver a [[communicube]] to Optimus, {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} containing a request to have the trial moved to the [[Raskol Arena]] on Luna 2, in order, he alleged, to accommodate the huge number of spectators that would inevitably attend. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}
[[File:MTMTE28 megatron pleads guilty.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.95|I agreed to this trial on the condition of meeting Matlock.]]
Megatron's trial lasted five months. At the outset of the proceedings, Megatron pled guilty to "Crimes against the Species", {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} but things changed when Starscream took the stand and gave a testimony that presented Megatron as an incapable leader who was unable to control the Decepticon forces under his command, a powerful brute lacking in the qualities of true leadership who led his followers down an ultimately self-destructive path. His treacherous lieutenant's words struck home, and Megatron stunned the assembled crowd by changing his plea to "not guilty". {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} Just as his defender, Ultra Magnus, was reading a statement declaring this, the trial was dramatically interrupted by a small army of Decepticons led by [[Snaptrap (G1)|Snap Trap]] and [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Grr]], who had escaped from the brig on the ''Lost Light''. The invading force attempted to teleport Megatron away to safety, but he refused to escape and the uprising was quickly quelled. During the recess that followed, Optimus confronted Megatron over his true motives: he had requested that the trial be held on Luna 2 in order to exploit the moon's different legal system in the event that he felt the trial was unjust. Caused by Starscream's speech to realize that, were he to submit to execution now, his legacy would be one only of pain and death, Megatron invoked one of the moon's forgotten laws: an individual who had committed sufficiently heinous crimes could request he be judged by the long-lost [[Knights of Cybertron]]. Megatron requested that he be allowed to join the ''Lost Light'' in their search for the Knights and their homeworld of [[Cyberutopia]], thus ensuring that ''that'' would be his legacy, after which he would submit to whatever punishment was deemed necessary. Optimus agreed on the condition that Megatron read a prepared speech denouncing the Decepticon cause and asking all active Decepticons to stand down. Megatron did so, at great personal pain. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Hurt and angry over this perceived abandonment, Soundwave used Megatron's change of faction as evidence to forge a new allegiance of his own, decamping to Earth and working with the [[Earth Defense Command]] to create a new home for Decepticons there. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 2: Detonation Boulevard|Detonation Boulevard}}
[[File:MTMTE30 cocaptains.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|O captain, my co-captain.]]
Megatron was assigned co-captaincy of the ''Lost Light'' alongside Rodimus, who immediately hated the idea and everything about it, leading to a particularly antagonistic relationship between the two. Megatron was permitted only to fuel himself with "[[Fool's Energon]]", which left him substantially weakened. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}} Shockwave's machinations had left his internal organs a tortured Gordian knot of space bridge wormholes from which it was impossible to extract his spark; his outward appearance changed between the end of his trial and his co-captaincy, suggesting that his armor was rebuilt around him, or his entire internal structure was transplanted into a new body. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Megatron would later lament that his body did not graft to his spark like past chassis, which he considered a sign of his waning age. {{storylink|slaughterhouse}} Optimus would see Megatron off on his voyage before he himself headed off to Earth, a meeting Prowl found deeply disturbing. {{storylink|Earthfall Part 1: Hello Cruel World|Hello Cruel World}}

===Towards Peace===
[[File:MTMTE28 megatron head examined.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|"So Megatron, tell me about your mother". "She was hot".]]
The ''Lost Light'' warped back out to the Galactic Rim and set off on the trail of [[Thunder Clash|Thunderclash]], who they considered their best lead on the location of the Knights. A month into the journey, Megatron agreed to a therapy session with ship's psychoanalyst Rung, during which he espoused his current thinking on personal history, and one's ability to selectively edit or abandon entirely previously-held truths. Following the session, Megatron discovered that the door to his quarters had been graffitied, amd was almost immediately attacked by the culprit, Whirl. During the fight—which Whirl deemed "inevitable"—the ex-Wrecker punched Megatron in the stomach, only to find his hand teleported away by the space bridge tangle inside his body. This took the fight out of Whirl, and Megatron offered to forget the incident if the graffiti was removed from his wall. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 1: Towards Peace|Towards Peace}} Through his internal space bridge, Megatron could sense that Whirl's arm had been teleported into the vicinity of a black hole, and—ever the forward planner, preparing even for the unlikely eventuality that he might change his mind about what he wanted—Megatron was inspired to revive his wartime plan to remotely channel antimatter.{{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

Megatron subsequently oversaw the bringing onboard of a mysterious coffin the ''Lost Light'' found floating in space. A short time later, a drunken dare gone awry resulted in [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailcutter]] accidentally cracking the coffin open with his forcefield. Megatron reprimanded him by permanently engaging his fuel intake moderation chip, and assigned him the role of Security Director in order to focus his mind. The pair then turned their attention to the opened coffin, which was revealed to contain the body of another Rodimus! {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 2: Words Hang in the Air|Words Hang in the Air}} A brief analysis suggested that the body was of Rodimus from the future, but before the matter could be settled, the crew of the ''Lost Light'' were forced to abandon the ship as it suddenly began disappearing around them. {{storylink|World, Shut Your Mouth Part 3: Predestination: A Beginner's Guide|Predestination: A Beginner's Guide}}

[[File:MTMTE32 i came to hate the person id become.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5|Lolcat is watching you deprecate.]]

Megatron found himself on the [[Rodpod]] with a score of other 'bots, but when ''they'' then began to vanish too, [[Tailgate (G1)|Tailgate]] accused Megatron of being responsible. A tense standoff ensued, which was brought to a surprising end when [[Ravage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Ravage]] was discovered to have been hiding on the pod, having secreted himself on the ''Lost Light'' in order to spy on Megatron for Soundwave. {{storylink|Twenty Plus One}} The weirdness continued as the remaining crew of the Rodpod—Megatron, Ravage, Nightbeat, [[Skids (G1)|Skids]], [[Nautica (G1)|Nautica]], [[Riptide (G1)|Riptide]], and [[Getaway]]—discovered the wreckage of a second ''Lost Light'', point of origin for the mystery second Rodimus, orbiting the planet [[Ofsted XVII]]. Still believing that the duplicate ship hailed from the future, Skids accused Megatron of being responsible for the devastation, and, realizing that the recent huge changes he had made in his life left him devoid of any surety in his future actions, Megatron allowed himself and Ravage to be imprisoned until the truth could be determined. Locked in a supply closet with Ravage, Megatron had a heart-to-heart with his angry ex-subordinate, justifying his decisions and unable to offer Ravage any consolation. When power returned to the ship, the pair discovered the dead bodies of Ratchet, [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] and [[Hound (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Hound]] in the closet with them, sporting injuries that allowed Megatron realize the Decepticon Justice Division were responsible for the slaughter. The team prepared to immediately withdraw until an even stranger discovery was made: Autobot archivist [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]], who had died months beforehand... still alive, the only survivor of the D.J.D.'s attack! {{storylink|slaughterhouse}}

[[File:MTMTE33 megatron skids right there.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"...But you're not the [[Skyfall (G1)|worst]] [[Zeta Prime (G1)|guy]] [[Star Saber (Victory)|to]] [[Getaway|wear]] the badge. So keep trying."]]
Nautica and Nightbeat were able to deduce that the duplicate ''Lost Light'' and its crew, including the second Rodimus, were actually quantum duplicates created in the explosion of the [[quantum generator|quantum engines]] during the ship's original launch two years prior. To make matters worse, the [[quantum foam]] leaking from the engines was threatening to destroy Ofsted XVII, but Megatron had no compunctions about getting to safety and leaving the planet to its fate until Skids called him out, forcing him to face up to the fact that choosing to be an Autobot meant reflecting it in one's actions. Megatron used his old mass-displacement ability to shrink his robot form down, enabling him to safely make it through the foam and deactivate the engines, saving Ofsted XVII, "cancelling out" the duplicate ''Lost Light'', and reinstating their own. As they made their way back to the returned ''Lost Light'', Megatron invited Ravage to remain at his side. {{storylink|slaughterhouse Part 2: The Road Not Taken|The Road Not Taken}}

[[File:MTMTE38 send me back.jpg|thumb|upright=1.75|"AND I WANT YOUR LUNCH MONEY TOO NERD!"]]
Back aboard "their" ''Lost Light'', Megatron discovered the DJD had killed Trailcutter. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} Though depressed by his death, Megatron was not above removing Trailcutter's forcefield generators from his body in another instance of forward planning. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} Subsequently, the realization that Brainstorm had used his mysterious [[Time case|briefcase]] to travel back in time caused Megatron to have a mini-breakdown over how ''ridiculous'' the whole situation was, but he soon got ahold of himself, and theorized that Brainstorm was attempting to change history by killing Orion Pax. {{storylink|The Custom-Made Now - An Elegant Chaos Prologue|The Custom-Made Now}} Rodimus led a squad back in time in pursuit, which led to Megatron having a cross-time conversation with the young Orion Pax via Rodimus's "[[time phone]]" communicator. Pretending to be his own younger self during the call, Megatron found the young 'bot's optimism for the future a mixed source of both affirmation and tragic amusement. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 1: All Our Parlous Yesterdays|All Our Parlous Yesterdays}} After Rodimus's team made several further jumps, Megatron deduced that the dates they were travelling to were not important moments in Pax's life, but Megatron's own. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 2: Stet|Stet}} Realizing that Brainstorm intended to kill ''him'' at the moment of his creation, he flew into a panicked rage, attacking [[Perceptor (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Perceptor]] and demanding the scientist send him back in time to save himself, until Ultra Magnus restrained him and the pair talked him down. As events in the past played out, Megatron was visibly shaken to hear that Rewind had been the one to pull the trigger that destroyed the original spark in his body, and that the universe would truly be a better place had he never existed. Although Whirl subsequently set the timeline to rights, Megatron did not join in the celebrations when everyone returned from the past, retiring to his quarters. {{storylink|Elegant Chaos Part 3: Predestination: An Expert's Guide|Predestination: An Expert's Guide}}

[[File:MTMTE43 the old man.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|"Oh my Primus! WHAT IS THAT?! SOME ONE GET RATC-?!?! ... Oh, wait. Nevermind. False alarm. It's my hand. Almost had me there guys." *tries to look relaxed, and nails it*]]

In silent isolation, Megatron reached out with his mind, trying to make contact with Whirl's arm through his space bridge. If he could teleport the arm ''back'', it would mean he would finally having a working two-way connection to a black hole. After days of trying, however, he still failed to succeed, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} and established another contingency plan by having Ravage recover one of Brainstorm's time-machine briefcases for him before they were all destroyed, thinking he might use it to escape his fate by travelling back in time. Megatron also dedicated some of his spare time to writing poetry, but his works remained largely unappreciated- a single poetry reading at [[Mirage (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Mirage]]'s bar, [["Visages"]], was enough to empty the bar of its patrons. {{storylink|Our Steps Will Always Rhyme}} He, Rodimus, and Magnus answered a call from Optimus Prime inviting the ''Lost Light'' back to Cybertron for first contact with the colony world of [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]], but they declined. {{storylink|First Contact (IDW)|First Contact}}

While the rest of the crew attended a party aboard the ''[[Vis Vitalis]]'', Rodimus and Megatron refrained from going. {{storylink|The Sensuous Frame}} The pair soon received an S.O.S. alerting them to an infestation of emotion-eating [[personality tick]]s on the ship; they headed over to help, and their combined charisma proved strong enough to "overdose" and kill the ticks as soon as they stepped into the room. {{storylink|The Frail Gaze}} Soon after, when [[Swerve (G1)|Swerve]]'s dying mind created a holomatter duplicate of Earth, Megatron took part in the voyage to the artificial planet to help save the metallurgist. The journey required him to project a holomatter avatar for the first time, which led him to note the fragility—but not weakness—of humans when his avatar was cut by broken glass. {{storylink|The One Where They Go to Earth}}

[[File:MTMTE44-MegatronLookAtTheFlowers.jpg|upright=2|right|thumb|"I see a great hand reaching out of the stars. The hand is your hand. And I hear sound; the sound of billions of people calling your name." 
"My followers?" 
"Your victims."]]

When it was discovered that Swerve's life-threatening injuries had been caused by a bullet lodged in his body by the Autobot deep-cover spy [[Dominus Ambus|Agent 113]], Megatron and Magnus studied the bullet together, and discovered that it contained a map to [[Necroworld]], base of operations of the supposedly-mythical [[Mortilus|Necrobot]]. Rodimus proceeded to barge into the room to announce that he had unconsciously drawn a complete map to Cyberuptopia on his desk, and Megatron, unsettled to realize that this mean his day of judgement was now actually on the horizon, announced that, before following said map, they would first detour to investigate Necroworld. Megatron privately confided in Ravage that he wished to stave off his day of reckoning as long as possible... but found that such thoughts rudely pushed from his mind when he bore witness to the massive field of flowers the Necrobot had planted in his honor, representing the countless lives he had taken. {{storylink|The Not Knowing}} With the weight of his history laid out before him so beautifully and terribly, Megatron realized that the future could not be avoided, and that any attempt to hide in the past was pointless. He buried the time-case Ravage had stolen for him amid the flowers. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

Megatron's fear of mnemosurgery would once again plague him when he awoke to find little Tailgate trying to perform mnemosurgery on him—part of a plot from [[Getaway]] to provoke Megatron into killing the little guy, in order to have Megatron either executed or imprisoned. The panicked Megatron almost fulfilled Getaway's plan for him, until [[Cyclonus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Cyclonus]] interceded by running Megatron through with his [[Great Sword]]. {{storylink|The Lopsided Triangle}} Once Getaway's plot had been foiled, Megatron was patched up and made amends with Cyclonus. {{storylink|Speak, Memory: Part 1}} The whole experience proved to be the last straw; determined to break from his old ways, Megatron renounced all violence and became a pacifist. He chose a poor time to do it, unfortunately, as the halls of the ''Lost Light'' were soon stalked by the serial killer [[Sunder (G1)|Sunder]]. Megatron's attempts to talk the murderer into surrendering met with failure, and he had to be saved by Tailgate, whose recent traumatic experiences had induced a mutation in his spark that gave him super strength. {{storylink|Speak, Memory! (Part 2)}} Intrigued, Megatron wondered if ''pain'' was the factor that would give his spark the power to complete his black hole quest. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

When the ''Lost Light'' was preparing to sneak through Mauler-inhabited space, Megatron and Ultra Magnus set about preparing the ship and the crew for the crossing. When a [[Scraplet]]-controlled [[Magnus Armor]] came shambling towards him, Megatron panicked, believing Magnus had come for a hug, before Swerve, Nautica and Whirl arrived to save him. {{storylink|Silent Light}} Not long after, Megatron joined the crew in a brief excursion into the past via "time windows" left over from Brainstorm's time-trip, which they used to honor the fallen crew members of the ''Lost Light''. {{storylink|No Guns, No Swords, No Briefcases}} In the days that followed, unable to think of a reason ''not'' to go, Megatron reluctantly accepted Whirl's invitation to "movie night", which turned out to be a screening of a documentary about his defeat of Sentinel Prime. Megatron disliked the whole production, especially the allegation that he had desecrated Senntinel's remains by ordering the theft of his head. {{storylink|The Last Autobot}}

===Do Not Go Gentle===
[[File:MTMTE50 megatron class dismissed.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.5|This is why we don't let you stay up all night listening to "''Instruments of Destruction''", Megs.]]
Megatron oversaw the ''Lost Light'''s campaign to liberate [[Miliarium]] from [[Rust Giant]]s, though he refrained from setting foot on the planet itself in order to maintain his vow of non-violence. He was irked to learn that that the crew had withheld the information the inhabitants of the planet were organic, but he softened when he was given the chance to finally use the "[[roll out]]" command. Subsequently, during one of a series of classes Megatron had begun holding on the subject of the Knights of Cybertron, the ''Lost Light'' was attacked by a kind of "psychic weapon" that made multiple crew members experience terrible visions. Megatron heard the sound of every organic he had ever killed screaming, and momentarily driven mad, he lashed out at Minimus Ambus, who had come to his aid, and was horrified a moment later when he realized he'd reflexively forgotten his pacifism. Megatron and Rodimus led a team aboard the Rodpod to track the signal back to its source; it turned out to have actually been bait in a trap luring them back to Necroworld, where they were attacked by the Decepticon Justice Division, out to claim revenge on Megatron for renouncing Decepticonism. The Autobots took refuge in the Necrobot's fortress and re-established contact with the ''Lost Light'', only to learn that Getaway had staged a mutiny and taken control of the ship in their absence, and had alerted the [[Galactic Council]] to their location. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light: (1) How Bright Their Frail Deeds|How Bright Their Frail Deeds}}

Searching for weapons to fight the D.J.D., the Autobots found a teleport chamber and a room full of helpless organics in stasis pods. Brainstorm advocated using the chamber to escape, but Megatron—now truly realizing how alike organic and mechanical life was thanks to the trauma of the psychic attack—delivered a stirring speech that convinced everyone to stay to defend the pods. At Ravage's suggestion, Megatron went out to meet with Tarn one-on-one, and offered to surrender to surrender on the condition none of the others would be harmed. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 2: The Sun in Flight|The Sun in Flight}} As the two talked, Megatron expressed regret for "corrupting" who Tarn had been, and even for the fact Brainstorm's attempt to kill him hadn't succeeded. Disgusted to see his hero having "fallen" thus, Tarn began viciously beating Megatron, but Megatron refused to fight back; he even laughed at the irony of how Fool's Energon might have been changing his nature, and he didn't even care. Before Tarn could finish Megatron off, however, Overlord arrived, allied with the Galactic Council in pursuit of his own chance to kill Megatron. Tarn and Overlord fought, giving Megatron a chance to escape. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 3: Your Fierce Tears|Your Fierce Tears}}

[[File:RageRage-Megatronappears.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67|You can practically hear "Instruments of Destruction" playing.]]

Though patched up, Megatron still refused to take part in the Autobots' battle with the D.J.D, rejecting the gift of a new fusion cannon Brainstorm had built from the teleport chapter for him, and urging the group to cherish what time they had left rather than waste it in battle. Megatron declared himself too weak and afraid to fight, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 4: At Close of Day|At Close of Day}} fearful that if he gave into violence, he would lose control and be unable to stop himself from once again becoming the monster he had been in the past. As the others went out to fight, Ratchet attempted to allay Megatron's fears by disclosing that Fool's Energon was only ever a placebo—Megatron had, in fact, been in control of himself all along. This revelation, coupled with the sight of Ravage being torn in half by Tarn out on the battlefield, spurred Megatron to action. Pain was, indeed, the trigger he had sought; in that moment, he successfully managed to draw Whirl's arm back through his space bridge, forging a functioning link with the black hole. Donning his new fusion cannon, he stormed out onto the battlefield and took on the D.J.D. single-handed while the other Autobots took Ravage back to the safety of the fortress. The fire in Megatron's belly seemed short lived, however, when a well-placed shot from Tarn destroyed his cannon, and he dropped to his knees in the middle of the battlefield, {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 5: Rage, Rage|Rage, Rage}} but this quickly proved to be nothing more than a feint to draw the D.J.D. in, to trap them within a forcefield created by the generators Megatron had taken from Trailbreaker's body. [[File:mtmte 55 antimatter.jpg|thumb|upright=1.7|left|"I'll light our [[Darkest hour]] the only way I know how! With more darkness!"]] Dropping his charade, Megatron unleashed the full power of the black hole's antimatter on the D.J.D., slaughtering each and every one of them. Before ending Tarn, he snatched his Decepticon-insignia facemask and slapped it onto his own chest; he would allow the antimatter to destroy him, and he would die as a Decepticon. Fate had a different path planned for Megatron, however; using the time-case Megatron had buried on the planet, which had been recovered by the Necrobot, Rodimus teleported into the forcefield and whisked Megatron away to safety before the antimatter detonated.

Reappearing in the fortress, Megatron was able to be by Ravage's bedside as he died from his injuries, with a final entreaty to Megatron that he "not change back". Megatron flew into a rage and almost turned his cannon on the Autobots before regaining control of himself. Realizing what he had done, Megatron tried to leave, only for [[Terminus (G1)|Terminus]] to suddenly appear to bar his way—one of the occupants of the pods, who were ''not'' organics, but causalities of conflict rescued from throughout time by the Necrobot using the case. Pulled back from the brink at the last moment, Megatron dropped his cannon and embraced his old friend. {{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}}

When [[Scarlett]] and [[Joe Colton (Dire Wraith)|Joe Colton]] discussed the Cybertronian influence on [[Earth]], Megatron's infiltration unit as well as his devastating invasion of Earth were key points. In light of Optimus Prime's recent actions, Colton seemed to have his doubts on whether or not Megatron had truly been the 'evil' one. {{storylink|Secret Raiders: A Revolution Prelude|Secret Raiders}}
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===A New World===

Terminus' reappearance was down to the Necrobot time-travelling to rescue 'missing in action' robots, and the "organics" in the basement had in fact been those robots in disguise.{{storylink|The Dying of the Light Part 6: Do Not Go Gentle|Do Not Go Gentle}} Megatron tried to fill in his old friend about the war, much as he doubted his objectivity. This was a disrupted by a minor quake which shook the whole planet. Deciding to finish his story later, Megatron paid his last respects to Ravage before [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] and [[Rung (G1)|Rung]] burst free from the ground. The two explained the quake as a [[geobomb]] sent by the [[Galactic Council]] but had seemingly burnt itself out. Megatron joined the group to return to Cybertron and collect a new ship, mainly to see Starscream's face when he revealed he was still alive. When Terminus said that Iacon was beautiful, Megatron began to correct him before he saw a bustling metropolis. Before the crew could process what happened, [[Twelve-of-Twelve]] showed up to arrest them. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 1: Some Other Cybertron|Some Other Cybertron}}

[[File:anomie jabbing megs.jpeg|right|thumb|upright=1.4|Hey. Put it away before I take it away.]]

Rewind quickly managed to deduce that the crew had been sent into [[Functionist Universe|another universe]], one where Megatron had never come online and the Functionists still ruled. After trading wits with the councillor, Megatron ordered the crew to surrender in the hope of reasoning with the Council. As the crew was marched through Iacon, the rebel [[Anti-Vocationist League]] tried to save them and got their arses kicked by [[Functionary|Functionaries]] in short order. Rodimus talked Megatron into action who, with a weary sigh, casually broke out of his stasis cuffs and directed the battle without even lifting a finger, much to Terminus' pride and amazement. The moment was ruined when [[Six-of-Twelve]] appeared on every TV on Cybertron, telling everyone they would see what the "Useless One", Rung, was actually ''for''. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 2: Anomie|Anomie}} The crew was brought to [[Kalis|Adaptica]] where [[Clicker]] explained why the Council had to grant the refugees safe haven before they were greeted by the sympathetic [[Nine-of-Twelve]]. Megatron abstained from the following meeting to meet with those who had removed their optics in protest of the Council using them as spies. Megatron approved. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|A World Misplaced}}

Even when [[Moonbase Two|Luna 2]] suddenly returned, Megatron continued to watch Six-of-Twelve's broadcast and began fearing for the future when it was announced the Council was going to try and get to [[Vector Sigma]]. Megatron went to collect everyone so as to rescue both Rung and Vector Sigma. Before that discussion could continue, Luna 2 grew new craters and began sucking up people with its [[tractor beam]]s. Megatron quickly demanded details from Nine-of-Twelve (lest they decide he was complicit in this) who quickly offered them. Rodimus however was more interested in the moon's teleporter which Megatron called him out on for being more interested in chasing down the ''[[Lost Light]]'' than saving people. Rodimus in turn accused Megatron of wanting to stay in the Functionist timeline so as to not be judged by the [[Knights of Cybertron]] and laughing that Megatron wanted to do good after killing so many. Minimus Ambus halted their argument and Rodimus agreed to Megatron's plan to rescue Rung but on the condition that they would leave once they'd saved the day. Megatron told Nine-of-Twelve to rally the troops only for the councillor to inform him they had no troops. When he asked about offensive capabilities, Megatron learnt that most of the more powerful weapons hadn't been invented in the current timeline. He made due with putting what few weapons he had in the best positions before ordering Nine-of-Twelve to lead the evacuations. Megatron managed a small smile when he learnt that Ambus didn't share Rodimus' belief that Megatron was running from his trial. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 4: Bad Moon Rising|Bad Moon Rising}}

With Megatron's tactics, the beleaguered defenders were able to distract Luna 2 long enough for the refugees to escape. As Megatron and [[Roller (IDW)|Roller]] discussed the conspicuous absence of the native Orion Pax, the tractor beams increased in intensity prompting Terminus to call the two to evacuate. After Roller made his way out, Terminus attempted to convince Megatron to stay in the Functionist Universe, an idea Megatron admitted to entertaining, but ultimately refused to do, citing his need to make amends back home and that his friends aboard the ''Lost Light'' were the conscience he had to answer to. At the point, the statue they were in was sucked up by the tractor beams. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 5: Modes of Production|Modes of Production}}

[[File:LostLight6MegatronEnding.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|A brand new autobiography. Same title. Different words.]]

Though the beams began ripping Megatron apart, Terminus managed to free himself and saved his protege by firing at the tractor beam emitters, though accidentally shooting down the commandeered [[Cog (facility)|Cog]] in the process. As the native Rung super-sized himself to attack the moon, Megatron assured [[Clicker]] that Rung's own choices were open defiances of Functionism. At that moment, Rodimus came with the news that they could head home and save this Cybertron. Terminus revealed his intent to stay behind with Megatron requesting a moment to say goodbye to his mentor, his serious demeanour convincing Rodimus to grant it. As Megatron and Terminus said their final words, Terminus got a call and quickly ushered Megatron to a [[matter transporter]] only to find it abandoned. As Megatron ran back out to tell Terminus, Luna 2 teleported away to Megatron's shock and horror. Deciding to make the most of his new situation, went on a "speaking tour", visiting the [[Anti-Vocationist League]]'s scattered cells, all over the planet, uniting them via his rhetoric and his new slogan of "Peace Through Empathy". After speaking at his old stomping ground of [[Nova Point]], Megatron went outside to contemplate the night sky before being interrupted by the chime of his communicator... having been contacted by the native Orion Pax. {{storylink|Dissolution Part 6: This Machine Kills Fascists|This Machine Kills Fascists}}

===Legacy===
Among [[Agonizer]]'s rare knick-knacks was an unfinished poem by Megatron. {{storylink|An Axe to Break the Ice}} When questioned by Bumblebee on why he insisted on remaining alone in the world, Starscream brought up the many beatings he'd received at Megatron's hand as a life lesson to remain alone and constantly on guard. {{storylink|The Price of You}} Such was Starscream's fear of his former leader that the Seeker seized up with fear when [[Vigilem]] assumed Megatron's form as he was when leading the Decepticons. Using the image of Megatron, Vigilem came within a hair's breath of destroying Starscream's mind, all the while the Seeker being too terrified to fight back. {{storylink|Your First Mistake}} Despite Megatron's defection, [[Soundwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Soundwave]] still considered him a wise man and quoted his writings to incite a [[Sharkticon (species)|Sharkticon]] rebellion. {{storylink|New Cybertron Part 5: Future Glories Lost|Future Glories Lost}}

When [[Jazz (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Jazz]] was interviewed by the human news, he remembered Megatron's invasion of Earth. {{storylink|What It's Really Like}} [[Sideswipe (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Sideswipe]] also remembered Megatron making a deal with Sunstreaker that preceded the invasion. {{storylink|The Life of Sideswipe}}

When Earth was properly inducted into the [[Council of Worlds]], [[Scarlett]] remembered the devastation Megatron had brought to Earth and wondered whether or not Earth was out of its weight class against Cybertronians as well as if Earth was truly ready to join the Council. {{storylink|First Strike issue 1|First Strike #1}} While in jail on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], Scarlett confessed to Optimus Prime that she had primarily come to Cybertron to save [[Joe Colton]] from himself, something which Optimus sympathized with, having gone through similar experiences with Megatron. {{storylink|First Strike issue 4|First Strike #4}} When justifying his genocidal campaign to Scarlett, Joe Colton claimed Earth was "one more Megatron" away from complete extinction. {{storylink|First Strike issue 6|First Strike #6}}

In [[Thundercracker (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Thundercracker]]'s [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|biopic]] of Starscream, Megatron was portrayed by [[Tankor (BM)|Tankor]]. Thundercracker admitted he'd taken some creative liberties with Megatron's bodily appearance but felt those changes would help an unfamiliar audience more readily recognize the characters. {{storylink|Starscream: The Movie (comic)|Starscream: The Movie}}

After receiving a life sentence, Starscream defended his reign to Bumblebee by stating that, unlike Megatron, he hadn't plunged Cybertron into four million years of war. {{storylink|The Falling, Chapter 1: Surfeit of Primes|Surfeit of Primes}}

After seemingly dying and being sent to the [[Transformer afterlife|Afterspark]] had sent Rodimus into a mild depression, [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]] rhetorically asked "What Would Megatron Do?", threatening Rodimus's fragile ego enough to rally him into action. {{storylink|The Everlasting Voices (1): Metastasis|Metastasis}}

===The Great Return===
[[File:LL21 Megatron Returns.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"Did'ja miss me?"]]
Megatron subsequently became leader of the AVL, drawing both Orion and [[Impactor (G1)|Impactor]] into the fold, while also taking time to fulfill his original ambition of becoming a medic. Megatron also found the discarded ''Unitrex-1'' and claimed it as the flagship of the AVL, dubbing it the ''[[Last Light (ship)|Last Light]]''. When the Functionist Council built a set of [[planetary engine]]s onto Cybertron to compensate for Luna 2's loss, the AVL followed them through the [[Warren]], warning many alien populations of the Functionists' genocidal intentions and allowing them to evacuate in time. The Functionists responded to this by engineering Cybertron with a robot mode cast in the likeness of [[Primus]]. Megatron's heroism eventually drew the attention of the Functionists who took great pride in killing his closest allies before eventually believing to have slain the ex-tyrant at [[Perseppalae]]. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|The Return of the King}}

[[File:ReturnOfTheKing MegatronTreatsDrift.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.0|''Instruments of re-construct-iooooon, tools of first aiiiiid!'']]
In truth, both Megatron and the ''Last Light'' had survived and continued to follow the Functionist recon ships. When the [[Adaptus|Grand Architect]]'s [[God Gun]] opened a portal back into Megatron's native universe, the ''Last Light'' was caught up in the rush, emerging ahead of the enemy fleet. Detecting his friends' spark signatures, Megatron immediately called Rodimus. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 3): Farsickness|Farsickness}} Though the Autobot initially believed that Megatron was the one staging the invasion, Megatron was quick to correct him, drawing their attention to the planet-sized Primus effigy, before requesting their coordinates for rescue. Once the ''Last Light'' shook off the recon ships, Megatron ordered his friends freed, recovering most of them from the Architect's clutches ([[Scavenger (group)|and a few Decepticons too]]) before he caught them all up on what had transpired since they'd parted ways. He also demonstrated his new skills as a medic by treating the wounded Drift for a [[zero point]] affliction. When the [[Epistemus|Magnificence]] proposed blowing up "Primus", Megatron immediately shot down the idea, noting the billions of innocent Cybertronians still trapped on their homeworld. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 4): The Return of the King|The Return of the King}}

After Rodimus had freed himself and reclaimed his ship, the two ships set down to compare notes with everyone transferring over to the ''Lost Light''. Despite the Magnificence's boasts of intelligence, Megatron still refused to blow up "Primus". His devotion to saving the citizenry proved the catalyst for a group brainstorm to come up with a plan to simultaneously open ''twelve'' [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrices of Leadership]], one each of the planet's [[hot spot (phenomenon)|hot spot]]s, to overload Vector Sigma and kill the Functionists merged with the computer. At this, the Magnificence spoke in the unholy voice of the [[Omega Guardian]]s, revealed to have been manipulating events and needing "Primus" to explode, who swore to return and "eat everything". Megatron made an impassioned speech to the aliens, swearing to stop them, and distracting them long enough for [[Nickel]] to simply crush the Magnificence. The distraction however meant that the ''Last Light'' was left unattended when the Functionists finally turned their attention to the last Cybertron, violently dying with the planet. When the ''Lost Light'' took off, Megatron ordered the ship turned around so they could save the universe. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 5): The Unremembering|The Unremebering}}

[[File:LL24 Megatron GNNN!.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|left|Megatron is forced to admit that he'll never truly have [[The Touch]].]]
After [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Fortress Maximus]] showed up and slammed [[Moonbase One|Luna 1]] into the gargantuan robot's [[neural cluster]] to convert it back into planet mode, Megatron coordinated with [[Flame (Marvel)|Flame]] to properly ally with the Grand Architect's remaining troops. With Rodimus, Megatron made his way to the [[Nova Point]] hot spot where they were beset upon by legions of [[Functionary|Functionaries]]. To complicate matters, the Matrices refused to open, prompting Megatron to rally Rodimus into giving a final speech to the crew and reaffirm their morality. Though the speech had the desired effect, it left Rodimus open to having his left arm blown off before he could open his own Matrix. Megatron took over and tried to open the talisman himself, but his lingering doubts and guilt meant it refused to open for him. The weakened Rodimus then requested the artifact, managing to open it by substituting his missing limb with his teeth, the energies of all twelve destroying the Functionists and reigniting Luna 1's dormant hot spot. {{storylink|Crucible (Part 6): A Spark Among Embers|A Spark Among Embers}}

[[File:MegatronGoodbye.jpg|thumb|right|upright=1.5|"One day, I shall come back. Yes, I shall come back. Until then, there must be no regrets, no tears, no anxieties. Just go forward in all your beliefs and prove to me that I am not mistaken in mine."]]
As the crew took stock, [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]] arrived to inspect "New Cybertron" before declaring that, since the [[Knights of Cybertron]] didn't exist, Megatron would once again have to stand trial, this time with the [[Galactic Council]] presiding. Over Rodimus's protests, Megatron agreed to go quietly but was nonetheless allowed to join the ''Lost Light'' for one last "victory lap" cruise. As the crew prepared to quantum jump home, the science team proposed the risky gamble of recreating the malfunctioning launch, thereby quantum duplicating themselves before then shunting the duplicates into a parallel universe to ensure that the ''Lost Light''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s adventures would never truly end. When the time to jump came, the crew simply wound up back on Cybertron.

As they all settled into ''Swerve's'' for a last drink, Magnus recited his favorite poem, which Megatron revealed to have written under a pseudonym. Adding that it was Impactor's favorite too, Megatron lamented that he'd wasted his life. Not wanting to leave it at that, Magnus gave a toast to all the friendships and bonds they'd forged... before construction cranes killed the moment and began disassembling the ship.

With Ultra Magnus once again acting as his defense orator, Megatron stood trial, Rodimus even falsely testifying that Megatron had been the one to open the duplicate Matrix. As the jury debated between infinite imprisonment and outright execution, Rodimus and Megatron had one last discussion, with Megatron revealing he'd always held onto his [[Rodimus Star]], before Magnus led him away. On their way to the sentencing chamber, Magnus revealed he was going to follow Megatron's advice and destroy the [[Magnus Armor]].

Years later, when Ratchet had passed, Rodimus placed Megatron's withered Rodimus Star on his tomb.

And far away, in some distant corner of the multiverse, the duplicate ''Lost Light'' materialized, ready to set sail for an infinity of new adventures. {{storylink|How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2}}
[[File:Theadventureisforever.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|center|'Til all are one]]

===Pax Cybertronia===
In a vision of the future seen by Ironhide and Alpha Trion during the reformatting of Cybertron, fifteen million years hence, Ironhide still believed Megatron to be alive and promised a young Autobot they would defeat him again if he ever returned. {{storylink|Pax Cybertronia (issue)|Pax Cybertronia}} {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}}
{{-}}

==''Spotlight: Mirage''==
[[File:SLMirage all in good time.jpg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
Somewhere, in an unknown time or place, the self-serving mercenary Mirage dreamed of Megatron and his Decepticons launching a massive attack on the Autobots. But Mirage knew that to only be a dream; in reality, the Autobots were almost eradicated, and Megatron had hired him to hunt down the last of their number. Megatron was outraged by the mercenary's demand for a majority share in all energon mining operations as payment, but it proved to be fuel well spent, as he soon succeeded in locating Optimus Prime and forcing him to surrender. Megatron demanded the prisoners be executed despite Mirage's promise to spare Autobot lives. Seeing Mirage's hesitation, Megatron appealed to his greed. {{storylink|Spotlight: Mirage}}
{{--}}

==Ask Vector Prime==
[[File:AHM 1cvrEXCL.jpg|left|thumb|upright=0.85|I think this is a killing joke!]]
In [[Primax 708.10-R Lambda]], Megatron cracked the codes to an Autobot forward listening outpost. He walked in, shot [[Prowl (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Prowl]], and then laughed and took a photo of what he had done. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/06}}
{{-}}

==Notes==
[[File:MegatronOrigin2 Megs hair.jpg|thumb|upright=0.55]]
*In [[Megatron Origin issue 2|''Megatron Origin'' #2]], we see that Megatron's helmet is, in fact, a helmet and not part of his head (at least in his original body). Upon removing his helmet, Megatron then briefly unfurls a crest. The significance of this moment is not explained, but it is briefly revisited in [[Remembrance Day|''More than Meets the Eye'' #14]] when a helmetless Megatron spars with [[Overlord (Masterforce)|Overlord]].
[[File:MTMTE Megatron Alt.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1]]
*Apparently, the stealth bomber Megatron design used in IDW for a while was created by artist [[Don Figueroa]]. However, he created the design as part of a story pitch to editor [[Andy Schmidt]]; a pitch the editor rejected. Schmidt proceeded to use the design for this comic, but without compensation or credit to Figueroa; something the artist was highly displeased about.<ref>[http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/don-figueroa-designed-idw-s-stealth-bomber-megatron-but-wasn-t-compensated--t96022s0.php archive of Figueroa's post on the subject at Seibertron forum]</ref>
*Megatron's post-"[[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|Dark Cybertron]]" body was never seen transformed into its alt mode, although [[Alex Milne]] tweeted concept art during the run of ''Lost Light'' that showed Megatron transformed into a heavy tank.<ref>[https://twitter.com/markerguru/status/951902998141087744 Alex Milne (@markerguru) on Twitter, 12 January 2018]</ref> As this tank design would have required Megatron's signature Fusion Cannon, which had been discarded prior, it would have been left largely unhelpful anyway. By contrast, [[Nelson Dániel]]'s [[:File:LL3 cvrRI.jpg|retailer incentive cover]] for [[Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced|''Lost Light'' #3]] showcases a different tank design using a different cannon.
*[[James Roberts]] clarified on Twitter that any members of the [[Functionist Council]] who survived into the Great War era were assassinated by [[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]] at Megatron's command.<ref>[https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/1055107548318220288 Twitter conversation with James Roberts (@jroberts332), 24 October 2018]</ref>
*In [[How To Say Goodbye And Mean It: Part 2|''Lost Light'' #25]], it is revealed that Megatron (under a pseudonym) wrote Ultra Magnus's, and Impactor's, favorite poem, "[[Afterlight]]". ''"You flare, you flicker, you fade. And in the end, all your tomorrows become yesterdays."''

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Anti-Vocationist League]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Decepticon leaders]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Autobots]]
[[Category:IDW (2005) Decepticons]]
[[Category:Gladiators]]
[[Category:Lost Light crew]]
[[Category:Point One Percenters]]
[[Category:Rulers of Cybertron]]
[[Category:Turncoats]]

Toonami

2021-03-11T23:10:35Z

Wack'd: /* Armada */

[[Image:ToonamiTomArmada01.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Funky rhythms not audible''.]]

'''Toonami''' is a programming block on [[Cartoon Network]] that specializes in action cartoons. Toonami infrequently premiered numerous ''Transformers'' animated series during its first incarnation from [[March 17]], [[1997]] to [[September 20]], [[2008]]. It was revived in [[2012]] on [adult swim], though no Transformers series have aired on it since.

Thought it was initially hosted by Moltar of ''Space Ghost'' fame (voiced by [[C. Martin Croker]]), the block has been hosted by a robot named TOM since [[1999]]. Unlike many programming blocks, Toonami takes occasional stabs at continuity, with narrative events happening between commercial breaks (and sometimes occurring in webcomics or online video games.) Often these are used to give reason for TOM to get an entirely new body, and on one occasion in 2000 even a new voice--the switch from Sonny Strait to [[Steve Blum]] happened in 2000, and Blum has held the role since. In most incarnations, TOM is accompanied by his AI companion SARA.

Other characters include:
* The Big Guy, a disembodied trailer voice, provided from 1999 to 2008 by none other than [[Peter Cullen]]. Howard Parker took over the role when Toonami returned in 2012.
* Flash and D, who replaced SARA from 2007-2008, and who were voiced by [[Dave Wittenberg]] and [[Tom Kenny]].

Toonami began at a time when TV CG was still rare and expensive. These facts dictated Toonami's aesthetic, specifically its character design and lighting choices. TOM's head typically resembles a motorcycle helmet, and his lack of mouth and minimalist body language allows his dialogue to be overdubbed on limited footage any number of ways. His robotic body is easily lit than without looking uncanny, and the lights on his spaceship are always low, and tinted a cool blue to compliment his chassis. (Moltar, similarly, wore a full-body red costume and was typically lit in warm red tones.) All of this combined with TOM's casual, laid-back voice result in an atmosphere that provided a chill contrast to the action-based programming.

The block is also noted for its distinctive editing and musical stylings. Music videos are often made for individual shows or to represent the block as a whole, often set to techno-funk tracks. A 30-second intro video typically runs ahead of each show, before the proper [[title sequence]].

==''Transformers'' series==
===''Beast Wars''===
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' was Toonami's first ''Transformers'' series, replacing ''The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest'' for a special week of premieres from March 9th to 13th, 1998. The five episodes in question were "[[Code of Hero]]", "[[Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate]]", "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]", "[[The Agenda (Part 2)]]" and "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]".

* Promo: Moltar introduces ''Beast Wars'' as [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] sends [[Jonny Quest]] to a gruesome fate. "Transformers, '90s-style!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgP9EbSFm0 The original, uploaded at an image resolution of 240p.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ezrgJtdXf0 A fan recreation using high definition ''Beast Wars'' footage.]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVVJcd3KSYA Promo:] Moltar gives the block's lineup for the week, noting ''Beast Wars'' is "this week only." "My turn!"
* Sweepstakes: An unidentified female voiceover offers kids the chance to call a toll-free number and get a free Beast Wars toy if they watch Toonami from 4-6 PM.
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ownmShAxot4 The 30-second version of the ad.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6suZW0IedMA The 15-second version of the ad.]

===''Armada''===
Toonami wouldn't see any ''Transformers'' action again until 2002, when it premiered ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Transformers Armada]]''. The first three episodes were combined and advertised as a "movie", premiering on the "all new" Friday night block. Reruns were then aired Monday through Thursday, with a new episode each Friday.

The [[Unicron Trilogy]] would be plagued by Cartoon Network's rather indecipherable scheduling logic, oftentimes being moved off of the block and back onto it without any warning, making following the series a chore at best.

In March 2003, TOM's second body was replaced by his third, with the surrounding events being documented in the online comic ''Toonami: Endgame''.

*Promo (The Big Guy): "Whoever can possess the Minicons will command their great power. Now, every Transformer in the universe will fight to claim them!" "Or die trying!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgQhHoGZTM0 A high-quality video recording of the promo], bundled with one for the 2002 ''He-Man'' series.
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnZVbiy152A A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]
* Intro (TOM 2): "It is our destiny to take control of the Minicons and bring the Autobots to their knees!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT94fbR0JVQ A video recording of the original promo.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNATEJvwSM A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]
* Intro (TOM 3): "We can't let Megatron get hold of the Minicon!" "Get those Minicons, you fools!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XueK7wvFSo A high-quality video recording of the promo.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jr6x-etQ4E A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGH-OmBiKTM Marathon promo:] "Everyone loves transforming robots, but sometimes 22 minutes isn't enough. We're here for ya." (Narrated by Blum.)

===''Energon''===
Beginning in 2004, Toonami moved to Saturday nights from its original weekday afternoon format and issued one new ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Transformers Energon]]'' episode a week.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ_GhuzjbY Intro:] "We gotta stop fighting each other." *punches*

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ADJt6luII Marathon promo:] "He who controls the Energon... controls the universe." (Narrated by Blum.)

===''Cybertron''===
''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Cybertron]]'' would be Toonami's fourth ''Transformers'' series, premiering in 2005. In 2006, they cobbled several episodes together to create a TV special called "[[Primus Unleashed (TV special)|Primus Unleashed]]". On June 30, 2007, as a tie-in during the opening week of the live-action ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' film, Toonami dedicated an entire night to a ''Cybertron'' marathon, followed by a sneak preview of the film.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNSt9LS_J54 Promo:] "Beat it, Megatron!" "Oh, really?!" (Narrated by Blum.)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4r7NounjIQ Intro:] "These guys can rock!"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSieHZvvb4 Marathon promo 1:] "Hooking you up, 'VIP style'." (Narrated by Cullen.)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJcabPf5QEQ Marathon promo 2:] "We're giving you four back-to-back episodes of ''Transformers: Cybertron''! All ''you'' have to do is sit there on your couch." (Narrated by Cullen.)

===''Animated''===
While never airing on the block itself, ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' was one of the series featured on the short-lived Toonami Jetstream video-streaming service, which launched on [[July 17]], [[2006]]. A limited number of episodes were hosted on Jetstream at a time, with episodes each being added shortly after they first aired on Cartoon Network. The series premiered on Jetstream on [[February 18]], [[2008]], and remained a part of the service until it was shut down on [[January 30]], [[2009]], roughly half a year after the Toonami block was taken off the air.

==Notes==
* Blum, being a professional animé dubber, frequently finds himself in the position of having to hype his own work while playing TOM. However, neither Blum, Cullen, nor Kenny have ever narrated a promo for a Transformers series they were in during the block's run. The closest Cullen came was briefly promoting [[Transformers (film)|the 2007 film]] during the ''Cybertron'' marathon. (This is also true of Wittenberg, though given his involvement in the franchise postdates his tenure on Toonami, this is perhaps less interesting.)
* While the revival of Toonami that began in 2012 has yet to broadcast any ''official'' Transformers series, it did begin airing ''{{w|SSSS.Gridman}}'' in January 2021, a show that's been noted many times on this wiki for using Transformers characters for character design inspiration.

==External links==
*[http://adultswim.com/shows/toonami Official Toonami website]
*{{w|Toonami|Toonami at Wikipedia}}

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[[Category:Warner Bros. properties]]

Martin and Roland

2021-03-01T07:14:20Z

Wack'd: Wasn't really sure "it's funny Elise met a gruesome fate" was a great tone here.

{{disambig3|Martin}}
:''Martin and Roland are two [[human]]s (species-wise) from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Elisetape.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|That's Roland on the left, Martin on the right, Elise Presser in the middle, and you looking at this image and feeling ''very'' gross about it.]]
'''Martin and Roland''' are two teenagers who are destined to give [[Human]]ity a bad name...well, a worse name, anyway.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Townsend Coleman]] (Martin, English), [[Michael Sheehan]] (Roland, English), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Martin, Japanese), [[Takurō Kitagawa]] (Roland, Japanese)|[[François Leccia]] (Martin and Roland, European French)}}

When we first met the future serial killers, Martin and Roland thought it would be a good idea to turn a laser up to maximum power during [[Robbins|Mr. Robbins]]'s demonstration of it in class at [[Benjamin Franklin Pierce High School]]. Instead of expelling them and doing us all a favor, Mr. Robbins assigned the two sociopaths to win the science fair with [[Elise Presser]].

The three ended up building [[B.O.T. (G1)|B.O.T.]], but they made the mistake of letting Elise put something that they found in the junkyard in it. This turned out to be the [[personality component]] of the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticon]] [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]], who proceeded to go on a rampage. The three teens called in the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], but instead got the [[Autobot]]s [[Ironhide (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ironhide]], [[Gears (G1)|Gears]], and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]]. Brawl-B.O.T. proceeded to give the three Autobots a hard time. While waiting outside, Martin and Roland decided it would be a good idea to go into the dilapidated building the Autobots had chased B.O.T. into, inadvertently allowing B.O.T. to escape the trapped elevator he had been stuck in, which allowed [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] to steal Brawl's personality component back.

The three then used recovered bits of B.O.T. and completely bogus science to learn of the [[Decepticon]]s' plan to use their new orbital-disruptor cannon on Autobot headquarters, then ran to the [[Ark (G1)|Autobot base]] to warn them. During the battle, the three kids used [[Teletraan I]] and B.O.T. to destroy the Decepticons' [[orbit disruptor cannon]], destroying their homemade bot in the process. Elise decided that they could build a new one with whatever junk was lying around the Autobot base... at which point Martin and Roland gagged her and dragged her away. More importantly, however, their subsequent success or failure at the science fair, which was to determine the ultimate outcome of their high-school careers, remains unclear. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:UniteWarriorsOffshot BOTII.jpg|thumb|]]

Martin, Roland and Elise grew up to become scientists and build a new robot, [[B.O.T. II]], which they tried to use to infiltrate the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]' illegal arms trading operation. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Shopping at the Dark Bazaar!|Shopping at the Dark Bazaar!}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
*Given their constant wisecracking, the names of these psychopaths-in-training may refer to the classic comedy duo {{w|Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In|Rowan & Martin}} (just as their high school is named after {{w|Hawkeye Pierce|another comedic TV personality}}). Or, for a more literal reference, there's the professional fisherman {{w|Roland Martin (fisherman)|Roland Martin}}, though he seems less thematic.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Martin''' (マーティン ''Mātin''), '''Roland''' (ローランド ''Rōrando'')

[[Category:Fiction-only characters]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon humans]]

Elise Presser

2021-03-01T07:11:36Z

Wack'd: /* The Transformers cartoon */ Wasn't really sure "it's fine this happened because no one misses her" is a good tone here.

:''Elise Presser is a [[human]] from the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|cartoon portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:BOT Elise Presser.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Jinkies!]]
'''Elise Presser''' is one of a trio of school students at [[Benjamin Franklin Pierce High School]] who built [[B.O.T. (G1)|B.O.T.]] as part of a science project.

NERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRD!

Elise is more concerned about obeying rules than her classmates. Given they accidentally built a destructive robot powered by [[Brawl (G1)|Brawl]]'s [[personality component]], she'll probably continue to err on the side of caution.

==Fiction==
===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Samantha Newark]] (English), [[Run Sasaki]] (Japanese)}}

[[File:Elisetape.jpg|thumb|left|250px|And the Autobots just...watch this happen. Our heroes, folks!]]

Elise was assigned to help her classmates [[Martin and Roland]] with their science project—a fact that did not make them happy. After observing the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] rescuing people from a burning building, the trio decided to make a robot of their own, and they scavenged for parts in a dump. Elise found Brawl's personality component amongst the piles of junk.

Once B.O.T. was complete, Elise wired in the personality component, causing their creation to begin a rampage, smashing furniture and lab equipment. Despite her trying to reason with the robot, B.O.T. smashed its way through a wall and escaped. The [[Autobot]]s were called in, and they chased B.O.T. into an abandoned building, which the two boys bullied Elise into entering. They managed to catch up with B.O.T. in time to see [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] making off with the personality component.

Unfortunately, that wasn't the end of matters. Martin worked out a way to track the location of the personality component, leading Elise, despite her better judgment, to drive them to the ocean in her red Volkswagen. There she was able to rewire B.O.T.'s voice synthesizer to allow them to listen in on [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s plans, giving them advance warning of an attack on [[Ark (G1)|Autobot Headquarters]].

After warning the Autobots and watching them defend the base, Elise used [[Teletraan I]] to control B.O.T. She was able to use the small robot to destroy Megatron's [[orbit disruptor cannon]], though B.O.T. was lost in the process. The Autobots thanked the trio, and Elise suggested that they could possibly build another robot from spare Autobot parts, resulting in Roland and Martin duct-taping her mouth shut and dragging her away. {{storylink|B.O.T. (episode)|B.O.T.}}

{{--}}

===''Legends'' comic===
Elise was one of the many women brought to the [[Legends World]] by [[Tigatron]] using the [[10.2 ultra-drill|ultra-drill]] in an attempt to get women who liked him better than [[Springer (G1)|Springer]]. It did not work out, as all of the women brought over eventually swooned over Springer. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 19|Bonus Edition Vol. 19}}

===''Unite Warriors''===
[[File:UniteWarriorsOffshot BOTII.jpg|thumb| NOT AGAIN!]]

Elise, Martin, and Roland grew up to become scientists and build a new robot, [[B.O.T. II]], which they tried to use to infiltrate the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]]' illegal arms trading operation. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Shopping at the Dark Bazaar!|Shopping at the Dark Bazaar!}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Elise''' (エリーゼ ''Erīze'')

{{DEFAULTSORT:Presser, Elise}}
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IP infringement

2021-02-19T07:42:54Z

Wack'd: /* Hasbro's own copyright dodging */ Fixing dead link.

{{disambig2|unlicensed toys based on ''Transformers''|third parties that produce actual ''Transformers'' products under license|Third party}}
[[File:01-Studio Headless Unicron.jpg|thumb|200px|"You underestimate me, Hasbro."]]
The many and varied facets of the [[Transformers brand|''Transformers'' brand]] are the intellectual property (IP) of [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy]], and their ownership of these ideas and designs is [[Copyright|protected by law]]. Alas, some rascally elements have, over the years, decided they'd like a slice of that pie, which has led to the creation of what have been described as '''IP infringing items''' by employees of former Hasbro licensee [[Fun Publications]].

{{bigquote|Theft of IP like this is staggering, develop your own characters and designs!|[[Aaron Archer]], former [[Hasbro]] employee<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20170510214929/https://aaron-archer-art.tumblr.com/post/88471654165/aeonmagnus-fans-toys-ft-03-scoria-gallery Aaron Archer on Tumblr]</ref><ref>Archer would later do design work for a not-[[Octopunch (G1)|Octopunch]] figure for an abortive Kickstarter project. TFWiki.net leaves you to make of this what you will.</ref>}}

==Kinds of IP theft==
Technically, any use of Hasbro and Takara's ''Transformers'' names, characters, and concepts without obtaining a license could be considered IP theft. Things such as fan art and fan fiction, however, are rarely considered problematic, being as they are not intended to generate profit or are otherwise one-off works. In fact, in the past Hasbro has laid out guidelines to fan-artists and similar creators wishing to make and sell art and crafts based on ''Transformers'', which basically boiled down to being careful how one "branded" it (or, in practice, ''didn't'' brand it by just avoiding the use of brand names and some minor semantics).

When things get dicey —and the license-holders get tetchy— is when IP theft occurs on a grander, and more organised scale.

===Knockoffs===
[[File:DOTM.MIRAGEKO.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Automatons in Concealment]]
{{main|Knockoff}}
In the context of ''Transformers'', [[knockoff]] is often used to describe both low-budget/quality toys, the kind of off-color, oversized/undersized thing that one might come across in a "dollar store" cranked out by the bajillions from China, and higher-quality toys that actually attempt to pass themselves off as genuine Hasbro or Takara products. Knockoffs that are direct replicas of existing Hasbro toys are very obviously the result of theft – in that case, it is the precise design and engineering for the toy that has been stolen. However, it is not unheard of for manufacturers to create their own cheap toys in the image of ''Transformers'' characters, and these still constitute IP theft – Optimus Prime the Character is as much Hasbro's property as Optimus Prime the Specific Toy.

Conversely, a toy that copies the engineering (i.e. [[transformation]]) of an existing Hasbro/Takara product but is changed enough as to not resemble an existing character protected by copyright might not necessarily constitute IP theft: Functionality is protected by patents, and patent protection legally expires after 20 years. This is why you occasionally see off-brand toys that work just like the [[Jumpstarter]]s but look nothing like [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] or [[Twin Twist]].
{{--}}

==="Third party" toys===
[[File:MechaformNotJetfire.jpg|thumb|left|upright=0.85|I Can't Believe It's Not Jetfire!]]
In the late 2000s, spurred on by the ''Transformers'' nostalgia boom invoked by the [[live-action film series]], a new phenomenon arose—unlicensed products based on ''Transformers'' aimed at the adult collector market. The very earliest examples of this kind of product were accessories and then "upgrades" for existing Hasbro toys, such as a trailer/armor set for ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], but the market quickly grew to include standalone action figures based on ''Transformers'' characters. The number of groups producing these figures has ballooned rapidly, to the point that two or even three separate companies will be simultaneously releasing toys of the same characters. Popular market trends have included [[combiner]]s and, more recently, faux-''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]'' figures.

The [[fandom]]'s generally recognized name for these kinds of figures is "third party Transformers", although this is ultimately a misnomer for the plain reason that they are not actual ''Transformers'' products. (This terminology makes more sense in light of their history, as the initial accessories, add-ons and "upgrade" kits can still somewhat be considered "third party" products, and the term, once established among the fandom, was simply never adjusted when standalone figures became the main focus of such offerings.) Obviously, these should not be confused with the actual [[Third party|third parties]] who produce ''Transformers'' merchandise under license from Hasbro or Takara. In (very half-hearted) attempts to dissuade the notion that they are pinching ''Transformers'' characters, "third party" toy manufacturers typically avoid using [[Insignia|faction symbols]] (although sometimes including molded spaces for the buyer to apply their own), and give their figures alternative names that attempt to capture the sound and/or spirit of the [[trademark]]ed originals, with varying degrees of bizarreness. A toy intended to look like [[Starscream (disambiguation)|Starscream]] might, for example, wind up named "Stellaryell". Initially, fans would often avoid confusion by referring to these figures as "not" versions of the characters they were based on (for example, "Not-Starscream"), though as the market has grown that terminology has been mostly abandoned since there's liable to be multiple different Not-Starscreams.

After many years of these products, name overlaps are bound to happen; for example, different companies have figures alternatively based on [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] and [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] that are both named "Rager". Even more hilariously (though not really surprising), there are even ''knockoffs'' of "third party" toys! Let's see ''them'' duke out their IP conflicts in court.

Desire for those toys arises for various reasons—wanting a toy of a toyless character, wanting a collection with consistent scale, desiring different visuals (be it show-accuracy or more unique takes on characters), or simply believing them to be higher-quality than the official releases are among those reasons.

For reasons that should, again, be obvious, TFWiki considers "third party" toys unrelated to its goal of documenting the ''Transformers'' brand, beyond examples where they have influenced official product.

====Types of "third party" toys====
Note: The following terms are descriptors rather than actual official terms since, well, they're clearly not official products.

* Accessories: these are generally items that are designed to interact with official product, but involve no modification to said official product. These are most often weapons (e.g. the [[Star Saber (Prima)|Star Saber]] and [[Dark Star Saber]] from ''Transformers: Prime''), but may also include [[:Category:MacGuffins|MacGuffins]] like the [[AllSpark Matrix]] or even characters like notable humans such as [[Sari Sumdac (Animated)|Sari]] and [[Isaac Sumdac (Animated)|Isaac Sumdac]].
* Add-ons: these are items that are designed to interact with official product and modify their appearance. However, said modification takes advantage of preexisting tabs, slots, posts and so on, thus requiring no actual modification of the official product. An example would be panels designed to fill in the gaps in the thighs of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Powermaster Optimus Prime]], which slot in snugly into the gaps.
* Upgrade kits: these are items designed to interact with official product and modify their appearance, but require some sort of actual modification to the official product. This can be as simple as popping off and swapping a limb on ball joints, to more comprehensive modifications like partial disassembly and replacing of parts. A kit that allows someone to switch the head of ''Classics'' Bumblebee to create a ''Classics''-styled Goldbug or giving ''G1'' Ironhide and Ratchet actual heads would be an example of this.
* Full figures: as mentioned above, these are generally what is meant when references are made to "third party Transformers". These are standalone fully transformable figures clearly based on and meant to evoke actual Transformers characters. One of the earliest and most (in)famous examples was a triple-changing Not-Springer which became wildly popular because official Springer toys of that time transformed into either a land vehicle or an air vehicle, but not both.

Again, these are descriptors, partially because there is a lot of overlap. For example, would a replacement head for a reissue G1 Bruticus that comes with light up LED eyes be considered an upgrade kit (since it replaces the original head) or an add-on (since it makes use of the post hole already intended for the original head)? Would hands and feet for a ''Combiner Wars'' Combiner that also transform into weapons for the component bots fall under accessories (as they're weapons) or upgrade kits (since they replace the original hands and feet) or add-ons (since they slot into preexisting ports)? And what about stickers that can change, for example, [[Prowl (G1)/toys#War for Cybertron: Siege|''Siege'' Prowl]] into an approximation of an [[Autotrooper (disambiguation)|Autotrooper]]? In fact, a lot of what created the demand for figures in the first place was that grey area. The first widely-successful "third-party" figures were technically an upgrade kit for [[Bruticus Maximus (ROTF)|Bruticus Maximus]], which were "fixing" the problem of the set having only two limb molds by adding two additional Basic-sized figures to the mix.
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===Doujinshi===
Generally understood to mean fan-comics, doujinshi (同人誌) are a uniquely Japanese occurrence. Japan has a very healthy culture of fan groups who make their own manga, many of them starring original characters but a huge portion starring characters owned by companies (for a ''Transformers'' example, imagine a gag manga where [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]] is portrayed as a little child and being raised by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and the other Decepticons to be the mighty [[Emperor of Destruction]] he is in [[Fight!_Super_Robot_Lifeform_Transformers:_Victory_(franchise)|''Transformers Victory'']]. Hijinks ensue). This would of course never fly in a litigious society like the US, but in Japan doujinshi exist in a strange gray area. <ref>[https://www.tofugu.com/japan/doujinshi-definition/ A page explaining doujinshi and why they're tolerated in Japan]</ref>

Basically, the difference between what would be understood as a fan-comic in the West and a doujinshi in Japan is that in the West (especially the US) while a company might turn a blind eye to someone making fan-comics for fun (e.g. on a site like DeviantArt), they would come down on them if they tried to put those same fan comics up for sale. [[Hasbro]] might allow (or at least ignore) people selling fanart and fan-comics at a proper ''Transformers'' convention like [[BotCon]], but might be much less forgiving if those same people tried to sell those items at, say, a general science fiction convention. Meanwhile in Japan, there are various conventions where doujinshi are actually the key focus, such as the famous Comiket. A ''Transformers'' doujinshi might be sold at a ''Transformers''-related convention, but might also appear at, say, a mecha-related convention or a general science fiction-related convention (since the Transformers would fall under a mecha or science fiction category).

Long story short, [[TakaraTomy]] could complain and shut groups making doujinshi down any time they wanted, but like many Japanese companies it appears that it simply isn't worth the hassle. People who make doujinshi are often the most hardcore of fans, and so alienating them isn't something most companies are eager to do. In addition, any victory would simply not be worth the resulting bad press, since fan groups are not exactly swimming in cash and while doujinshi are put up for sale, a lot of groups seem to just do it for love of the art or love of the series. It should also be mentioned that many big names in manga got their starts or honed their skills in doujinshi circles, and it isn't impossible for a company to want to recruit some of these up-and-coming talents.

It, er, probably should be pointed out that some doujinshi are very, very NSFW.

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==Hasbro and IP theft==
===Remarks and actions===
Official statements from Hasbro on "third party" toys are few and far between. In one response, provided as part of the company's now-defunct fansite Q&A program, they noted the illegal nature of the figures, and remarked that this kind of IP theft was unfair to legitimate licensees who pay to produce ''Transformers'' merchandise.<ref>[http://www.tfviews.com/news/main/hasbro-q-and-a/499 TFviews Hasbro Q&A, August 2009]</ref>

In 2015, Hasbro's UK branch distributed an online survey of the collecting habits of ''Transformers'' fans to coincide with the Auto Assembly unofficial convention, which included a surprising number of questions regarding "third party" products. In a bit of an embarrassing ''faux pas'', a Hasbro representative present at the convention itself also addressed a [[Vos (DJD)|Vos]] cosplayer as "Cynicus", the name of an unofficial figure of that character.<ref>[http://waspshot23.tumblr.com/post/127569311096/ok-so waspshot23 on Tumblr]</ref>

To date, there have been no known instances of Hasbro pursuing actual legal action against the manufacturers of "third party" toys. While such unofficial toys were banned from being sold at the dealer room at [[BotCon 2012]],<ref>This mandate initially encompassed fan art too, but this was quickly relaxed.</ref> [[BotCon 2015|2015]] and [[BotCon 2016|2016]], they generally seem to adopt a "laissez-faire" approach to such toys; while they don't officially condone such material, they're happy to allow it to exist as long as it isn't impacting Hasbro's bottom line. A noted exception was an unofficial toy of [[Unicron]], announced during the [[HasLab]] campaign for [[Unicron/toys#War for Cybertron|''War for Cybertron'' Unicron]], seemingly intended to directly undercut Hasbro's big-ticket crowdfunded toy; evidently and understandably unhappy with his, Hasbro apparently intervened to have all posts about the pretender to the throne taken down from social media.<ref>[https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/3rd-party-not-unicron-apparently-removed-by-hasbro/43937/ 3rd Party (Not) Unicron Apparently Removed by Hasbro] at Seibertron</ref>

===Third party designs in official products and marketing===
[[File:MTMTE18 cvrB.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85|right|IP untheft?]]
In recent years, there have been occasions where "third party" figure designs have slipped into official media. One cover for [[Remain in Light 2 of 5: House of Ambus|''More than Meets the Eye'' #18]] saw [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] and [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] drawn based on unofficial figures "Rager" and "Cogz" (do you see what we meant about the names?). Hasbro and [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] did not comment on this, although it seems likely that somebody somewhere might've gotten a slap on the wrist. (The artist in question has not done any comic covers since...)

Meanwhile, ''official'' third party licensee [[Imaginarium Art]]'s statues of [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] seem to be based on the unofficial figures "Carry" and "Green Giant", with [http://imaginarium-art.com/project_news.php Rodimus Prime] featuring detailing on his forearms otherwise unique to Carry and [https://www.facebook.com/imaginarium.hobby/posts/575739045925230 Devastator] having kneepads only found on Giant. One has to assume Hasbro wasn't looking too closely, or were understandably unaware of those figures, when they signed off on these.

In what was presumably an innocent mistake that resulted from the use of a fan's personal collection, a slide shown at the Hasbro investor and press event presentation during [[Toy Fair 2016]] that represented Transformers "Spanning Generations" featured a photograph of a father and son surrounded by a variety of ''Masterpiece'' toys... and the "third party" [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] "Green Giant".<ref name="toyfair16">[http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/02/12/tfw2005-coverage-hasbro-toy-fair-2016-investor-press-event-309206 Slides from the Hasbro investor and press event presentation during Toy Fair 2016].</ref> Oops!

Although stylized, the ''[[Transformers: Earth Wars]]'' models for the Predacons are recognizably based upon the "Feralcons" (remember what we were saying?), one of the three notable sets of "third party" Predacons. It even leaked into their combined mode. Meanwhile, [[Motormaster (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars|Motormaster]] is modeled on the TransFormMission "Powertrain" interpretation of Motormaster's design from IDW's [[The Transformers (IDW)|2009-2011 ongoing series]].

Similarly, ''Earth Wars'' and the ''[[Transformers: Power of the Primes (cartoon)|Power of the Primes]]'' cartoon feature models for the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] based on the Fanstoys' "Iron Dibots" figures, rather than those from the concurrent [[Power of the Primes (toyline)|toyline]].

In an odd occurrence for a game almost exclusively using screen models and recent toys, [[Jazz (G1)#Transformers: Forged to Fight|Jazz]] in ''[[Transformers: Forged to Fight]]'' is directly modeled on ToyWorld's "Coolsville" figure.

[[Crucible (Part 1): A Dance Before Dying|''Lost Light'' #19]] shows [[Hot Rod (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rodimus]] and [[Drift (G1)|Drift]] in alt-modes based directly on the Mastermind Creations "Calidus" and "Stray" figures.

An [[Industrial Light & Magic|ILM]] design presentation about the 2018 ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' movie used an image of Fans Toys "Rouge" as a [[Arcee (G1)|Generation 1 Arcee]] design reference for [[Arcee (Movie)|''Bumblebee'' Arcee]].<ref>[https://www.ilm.com/visual_development/bumblebee-developing-an-epic-set-piece/ Bumblebee: Developing an Epic Set Piece - ILM San Francisco]</ref>

===Hasbro's own copyright dodging===
[[File:CYB sonic bomber originalsculpt.jpg|right|upright=0.85|thumb|First party problems.]]
Despite Hasbro's own (completely understandable) aversion against people making a profit off their IP without permission, it's not like Hasbro is entirely innocent in this regard: In fact, the ''Transformers'' toys' [[alternate mode]]s being unlicensed reproductions of real-world vehicles and aircraft goes back all the way to the very first ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|Transformers]]'' toys.

While the whole market situation was still very different back in the 1980s, and car manufacturers apparently didn't start properly enforcing their intellectual properties in the field of toys and merchandise until the early 2000s, ''Transformers'' toys with [[licensed vehicle alternate modes]] are still the exception rather than the rule. The vast majority of [[popular Earth vehicle alternate modes]] are still unlicensed approximations of their real-life inspirations, basically "[[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys|not-Lamborghinis]]" or "[[Powerglide (G1)/toys|not-A-10s]]", with a few details altered to avoid a lawsuit — though this wasn't enough in [[Side Burn (RID)#Toys|one notable case]]. [[Downshift (Energon)#Cybertron|Some]] [[Windcharger (G1)#Transformers (2010)|examples]] are a little more creative, meshing together two or more real-life inspirations to create a genuine "hybrid" design, but most are just barely altered and instantly recognizable for what they are supposed to represent. While the target audience is obviously a different one (most people who buy a Hasbro Sunstreaker do so because he represents Sunstreaker the ''Transformers'' character, not because they want a Lamborghini for their toy car collection; however, most, if not all, people who buy a "third party" version of Sunstreaker do so because he represents Sunstreaker the ''Transformers'' character), it's worth noting for being illustrative of the gray area involved.

Less of a gray area appears to be the case of the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' [[Go-Bot (G2)|Go-Bot]] [[High Beam#Generation 2|High Beam]] (released in 1995), though: Its alternate mode looks plain ''identical'' to a vehicle from Mattel's ''Hot Wheels'' line that was first released in 1991 under the names "Back Burner" and "Sonic Special", but would eventually become more well-known in 1995 under the name "[[Wikia:hotwheels:Speed Blaster|Speed Blaster]]". Unless both toys were based on the same obscure real-life concept car that has since been ''completely'' forgotten by history, that would be a ''very'' blatant case of Hasbro ''literally'' copying one of its competitor's toys and just making it transform.

Hasbro's [[Built to Rule!]] and [[Kre-O]] toylines "knocking off" the {{w|Lego}} brand's iconic bricks cannot be considered true IP theft, due to the technical patents for their brick-building system expiring in 1978.

==References==
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Toonami

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[[Image:ToonamiTomArmada01.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Funky rhythms not audible''.]]

'''Toonami''' is a programming block on [[Cartoon Network]] that specializes in action cartoons. Toonami infrequently premiered numerous ''Transformers'' animated series during its first incarnation from [[March 17]], [[1997]] to [[September 20]], [[2008]]. It was revived in [[2012]] on [adult swim], though no Transformers series have aired on it since.

Thought it was initially hosted by Moltar of ''Space Ghost'' fame (voiced by [[C. Martin Croker]]), the block has been hosted by a robot named TOM since [[1999]]. Unlike many programming blocks, Toonami takes occasional stabs at continuity, with narrative events happening between commercial breaks (and sometimes occurring in webcomics or online video games.) Often these are used to give reason for TOM to get an entirely new body, and on one occasion in 2000 even a new voice--the switch from Sonny Strait to [[Steve Blum]] happened in 2000, and Blum has held the role since. In most incarnations, TOM is accompanied by his AI companion SARA.

Other characters include:
* The Big Guy, a disembodied trailer voice, provided from 1999 to 2008 by none other than [[Peter Cullen]]. Howard Parker took over the role when Toonami returned in 2012.
* Flash and D, who replaced SARA from 2007-2008, and who were voiced by [[Dave Wittenberg]] and [[Tom Kenny]].

Toonami began at a time when TV CG was still rare and expensive. These facts dictated Toonami's aesthetic, specifically its character design and lighting choices. TOM's head typically resembles a motorcycle helmet, and his lack of mouth and minimalist body language allows his dialogue to be overdubbed on limited footage any number of ways. His robotic body is easily lit than without looking uncanny, and the lights on his spaceship are always low, and tinted a cool blue to compliment his chassis. (Moltar, similarly, wore a full-body red costume and was typically lit in warm red tones.) All of this combined with TOM's casual, laid-back voice result in an atmosphere that provided a chill contrast to the action-based programming.

The block is also noted for its distinctive editing and musical stylings. Music videos are often made for individual shows or to represent the block as a whole, often set to techno-funk tracks. A 30-second intro video typically runs ahead of each show, before the proper [[title sequence]].

==''Transformers'' series==
===''Beast Wars''===
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' was Toonami's first ''Transformers'' series, replacing ''The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest'' for a special week of premieres from March 9th to 13th, 1998. The five episodes in question were "[[Code of Hero]]", "[[Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate]]", "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]", "[[The Agenda (Part 2)]]" and "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]".

* Promo: Moltar introduces ''Beast Wars'' as [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] sends [[Jonny Quest]] to a gruesome fate. "Transformers, '90s-style!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgP9EbSFm0 The original, uploaded at an image resolution of 240p.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ezrgJtdXf0 A fan recreation using high definition ''Beast Wars'' footage.]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVVJcd3KSYA Promo:] Moltar gives the block's lineup for the week, noting ''Beast Wars'' is "this week only." "My turn!"
* Sweepstakes: An unidentified female voiceover offers kids the chance to call a toll-free number and get a free Beast Wars toy if they watch Toonami from 4-6 PM.
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ownmShAxot4 The 30-second version of the ad.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6suZW0IedMA The 15-second version of the ad.]

===''Armada''===
Toonami wouldn't see any ''Transformers'' action again until 2002, when it premiered ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Transformers Armada]]''. The first three episodes were combined and advertised as a "movie", premiering on the "all new" Friday night block. Reruns were then aired Monday through Thursday, with a new episode each Friday.

The [[Unicron Trilogy]] would be plagued by Cartoon Network's rather indecipherable scheduling logic, oftentimes being moved off of the block and back onto it without any warning, making following the series a chore at best.

In March 2003, TOM's second body was replaced by his third, with the surrounding events being documented in the online comic ''Toonami: Endgame''.

*Promo: "Whoever can possess the Minicons will command their great power. Now, every Transformer in the universe will fight to claim them!" "Or die trying!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgQhHoGZTM0 A high-quality video recording of the promo], bundled with one for the 2002 ''He-Man'' series.
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnZVbiy152A A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]
* Intro (TOM 2): "It is our destiny to take control of the Minicons and bring the Autobots to their knees!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT94fbR0JVQ A video recording of the original promo.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNATEJvwSM A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]
* Intro (TOM 3): "We can't let Megatron get hold of the Minicon!" "Get those Minicons, you fools!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XueK7wvFSo A high-quality video recording of the promo.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jr6x-etQ4E A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGH-OmBiKTM Marathon promo:] "Everyone loves transforming robots, but sometimes 22 minutes isn't enough. We're here for ya." (Narrated by Blum.)

===''Energon''===
Beginning in 2004, Toonami moved to Saturday nights from its original weekday afternoon format and issued one new ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Transformers Energon]]'' episode a week.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ_GhuzjbY Intro:] "We gotta stop fighting each other." *punches*

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ADJt6luII Marathon promo:] "He who controls the Energon... controls the universe." (Narrated by Blum.)

===''Cybertron''===
''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Cybertron]]'' would be Toonami's fourth ''Transformers'' series, premiering in 2005. In 2006, they cobbled several episodes together to create a TV special called "[[Primus Unleashed (TV special)|Primus Unleashed]]". On June 30, 2007, as a tie-in during the opening week of the live-action ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' film, Toonami dedicated an entire night to a ''Cybertron'' marathon, followed by a sneak preview of the film.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNSt9LS_J54 Promo:] "Beat it, Megatron!" "Oh, really?!" (Narrated by Blum.)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4r7NounjIQ Intro:] "These guys can rock!"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSieHZvvb4 Marathon promo 1:] "Hooking you up, 'VIP style'." (Narrated by Cullen.)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJcabPf5QEQ Marathon promo 2:] "We're giving you four back-to-back episodes of ''Transformers: Cybertron''! All ''you'' have to do is sit there on your couch." (Narrated by Cullen.)

===''Animated''===
While never airing on the block itself, ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' was one of the series featured on the short-lived Toonami Jetstream video-streaming service, which launched on [[July 17]], [[2006]]. A limited number of episodes were hosted on Jetstream at a time, with episodes each being added shortly after they first aired on Cartoon Network. The series premiered on Jetstream on [[February 18]], [[2008]], and remained a part of the service until it was shut down on [[January 30]], [[2009]], roughly half a year after the Toonami block was taken off the air.

==Notes==
* Blum, being a professional animé dubber, frequently finds himself in the position of having to hype his own work while playing TOM. However, neither Blum, Cullen, nor Kenny have ever narrated a promo for a Transformers series they were in during the block's run. The closest Cullen came was briefly promoting [[Transformers (film)|the 2007 film]] during the ''Cybertron'' marathon. (This is also true of Wittenberg, though given his involvement in the franchise postdates his tenure on Toonami, this is perhaps less interesting.)
* While the revival of Toonami that began in 2012 has yet to broadcast any ''official'' Transformers series, it did begin airing ''{{w|SSSS.Gridman}}'' in January 2021, a show that's been noted many times on this wiki for using Transformers characters for character design inspiration.

==External links==
*[http://adultswim.com/shows/toonami Official Toonami website]
*{{w|Toonami|Toonami at Wikipedia}}

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User:Wack'd/Sandbox/List of first character appearances

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{| class="wikitable sortable" width=100%
|-
! scope="col" | Name
! scope="col" | Original affiliation
! scope="col" data-sort-type=date | First comics appearance
! scope="col" data-sort-type=date | First TV or film appearance
! scope="col" | First voice actor
|-
|'''[[Ravage]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Megatron]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Soundwave]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Optimus Prime]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Peter Cullen]]
|-
|'''[[Rumble]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Skywarp]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Frenzy]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Dec-01 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)|"Countdown to Extinction"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Laserbeak]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Starscream]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Prowl]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Michael Bell]]
|-
|'''[[Thundercracker]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[John Stephenson]]
|-
|'''[[Buzzsaw]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1985-Oct-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[City of Steel (episode)|"City of Steel"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Ironhide]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Peter Cullen]]
|-
|'''[[Cliffjumper]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Casey Kasem]]
|-
|'''[[Sideswipe]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Michael Bell]]
|-
|'''[[Huffer]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[John Stephenson]]
|-
|'''[[Bumblebee]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Dan Gilvezan]]
|-
|'''[[Sunstreaker]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Corey Burton]]
|-
|'''[[Brawn]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Corey Burton]]
|-
|'''[[Mirage]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Bluestreak]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Casey Kasem]]
|-
|'''[[Jazz]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Scatman Crothers]]
|-
|'''[[Gears]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Don Messick]]
|-
|'''[[Hound]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Ken Sansom]]
|-
|'''[[Windcharger]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[John Stephenson]]
|-
|'''[[Ratchet]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Don Messick]]
|-
|'''[[Wheeljack]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Trailbreaker]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Buster Witwicky]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|N/A
|N/A
|-
|'''[[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|N/A
|N/A
|-
|'''[["O"]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|N/A
|N/A
|}

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|-
! scope="col" | Name
! scope="col" | Original affiliation
! scope="col" data-sort-type=date | First comics appearance
! scope="col" data-sort-type=date | First TV or film appearance
! scope="col" | First voice actor
|-
|'''[[Ravage]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Megatron]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Soundwave]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Optimus Prime]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Peter Cullen]]
|-
|'''[[Rumble]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Skywarp]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Frenzy]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Dec-01 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[Countdown to Extinction (episode)|"Countdown to Extinction"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Laserbeak]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Starscream]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Prowl]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Michael Bell]]
|-
|'''[[Thundercracker]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[John Stephenson]]
|-
|'''[[Buzzsaw]]'''
|[[Decepticon]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1985-Oct-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[City of Steel (episode)|"City of Steel"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Ironhide]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Peter Cullen]]
|-
|'''[[Cliffjumper]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Casey Kasem]]
|-
|'''[[Sideswipe]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Michael Bell]]
|-
|'''[[Huffer]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[John Stephenson]]
|-
|'''[[Bumblebee]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Dan Gilvezan]]
|-
|'''[[Sunstreaker]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Corey Burton]]
|-
|'''[[Brawn]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Corey Burton]]
|-
|'''[[Mirage]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Bluestreak]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Casey Kasem]]
|-
|'''[[Jazz]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Scatman Cruthers]]
|-
|'''[[Gears]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Don Messick]]
|-
|'''[[Hound]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Ken Sansom]]
|-
|'''[[Windcharger]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[John Stephenson]]
|-
|'''[[Ratchet]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Don Messick]]
|-
|'''[[Wheeljack]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Trailbreaker]]'''
|[[Autobot]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Frank Welker]]
|-
|'''[[Buster Witwicky]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|N/A
|N/A
|-
|'''[[Sparkplug Witwicky]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|1984-Sep-17 [[The Transformers (cartoon)|''The Transformers'' (Sunbow)]]: [[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1|"More than Meets the Eye, Part 1"]]
|[[Chris Latta]]
|-
|'''[[Jesse (G1)|Jesse]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|N/A
|N/A
|-
|'''[["O"]]'''
|[[Human]]
|1984-May-8 [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' (Marvel)]]: [[The Transformers (issue)|"The Transformers"]]
|N/A
|N/A
|}

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Ethan Zachary

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:''Ethan Zachary is a [[human]] from the [[Marvel Comics continuity|Marvel portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Ethanzachary.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|This is unreal! You don't care about death 'cause you're already dead! I know a lot about you. I know you weren't always like this. What was the last thing you cared about?]]
'''Ethan Zachary''' is far ahead of the curve when it comes to human nerds. While all the other dateless shut-ins were still hanging out in their parents' basements playing ''Dungeons & Dragons'', Ethan was playing and programming MMORPGs. A computer whiz, Ethan knows how to unlock the true memory storage capabilities of your average [[floppy disk]], something the {{w|Commodore 64}} never could.

==Fiction==
===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{noteukonly}}
Ethan Zachary was a [[human]] computer programmer who worked for [[Energy Futures Industries]] until the [[Decepticon]]s and [[Autobot]]s took interest in his company's [[hydrothermocline]] energy generator. Hoping to avoid damage to his workstation, he oversaw a game of ''[[Multi-World]]'' between [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Optimus Prime]] and the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] against [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] and the [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]] with the hydrothermocline as the prize. Though he cheered on the good guys, he was unwittingly responsible for their defeat; one of the Decepticons had overheard him use the "Afterdeath" cheat code earlier during one of his own gaming sessions, and this information was passed on to Megatron, who was losing. When this led to Optimus Prime's defeat, he reluctantly detonated Optimus Prime's body at the Autobot leader's insistence. However, unknown to anyone else, he had saved Prime's entire memory and personality onto a [[floppy disk]] (no, really). {{storylink|Afterdeath!}} {{storylink|Gone but Not Forgotten!}}

[[File:Ethanzacharypretendertothethrone.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|Ethan rocks the Converse sneakers.]]
Zachary formed [[Alternate Reality, Inc.]], a computer game company that more closely reflected his interests, and brought Optimus Prime with him. Zachary used this copy of Optimus Prime to input into computer games he had created, where the former Autobot leader fought many adversaries and always won. Unfortunately, Prime now believed that he was nothing more than a mere computer game character, and Ethan Zachary tried to stage familiar battles for him to jog his memory. Not even showing him a newspaper headline reporting a Decepticon attack would snap him out of it.

Ethan began contacting Optimus Prime's [[human]] allies for help, which inadvertently tipped off the Autobots to Ethan's possession of a copy of Optimus Prime's mind. They dispatched [[Bumblebee (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Goldbug]] to investigate, and they both decided to stage a real battle for Optimus Prime to control. Ethan hacked into the genetics lab in which [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]]'s new [[Pretender]]s had been created. When the Pretenders decided to attack Alternate Reality's headquarters in retaliation, the Autobots developed Pretenders of their own for Optimus Prime to command. Though Prime's forces succeeded, not even this bold move cured Optimus Prime of his defect. {{storylink|Pretender to the Throne!}}

Ethan entrusted the disk containing Optimus Prime's personality to the care of Goldbug, who promised he would get a new body built for the Autobot leader. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

''A time traveler from the distant future, [[Dicet Alpha-zero]], would one day traverse the time-stream to observe several key moments in the Transformers' war, including Ethan Zachary's brief involvement.'' {{storylink|The Quest!}}

==Notes==
*Ethan Zachary was named after [[Bob Budiansky]]'s nephew, Ethan Zachary Budiansky. He still likes to brag that he killed Optimus Prime.

{{DEFAULTSORT:Zachary, Ethan}}
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Toonami

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[[Image:ToonamiTomArmada01.jpg|right|300px|thumb|''Funky rhythms not audible''.]]

'''Toonami''' is a programming block on [[Cartoon Network]] that specializes in action cartoons. Toonami infrequently premiered numerous ''Transformers'' animated series during its first incarnation from [[March 17]], [[1997]] to [[September 20]], [[2008]]. It was revived in [[2012]] on [adult swim], though no Transformers series have aired on it since.

Thought it was initially hosted by Moltar of ''Space Ghost'' fame (voiced by [[C. Martin Croker]]), the block has been hosted by a robot named TOM since [[1999]]. Unlike many programming blocks, Toonami took occasional stabs at continuity, with narrative events happening between commercial breaks (and sometimes occurring in webcomics or online video games.) Often these are used to give reason for TOM to get an entirely new body, and on one occasion in 2000 even a new voice--the switch from Sonny Strait to [[Steve Blum]] happened in 2000, and Blum has held the role since. In most incarnations, TOM is accompanied by his AI companion SARA.

Other characters include:
* The Big Guy, a disembodied trailer voice, provided from 1999 to 2008 by none other than [[Peter Cullen]]. Howard Parker took over the role when Toonami returned in 2012.
* Flash and D, who replaced SARA from 2007-2008, and who were voiced by [[Dave Wittenberg]] and [[Tom Kenny]].

Toonami began at a time when TV CG was still rare and expensive. These facts dictated Toonami's aesthetic, specifically its character design and lighting choices. TOM's head typically resembles a motorcycle helmet, and his lack of mouth and minimalist body language allows his dialogue to be overdubbed on limited footage any number of ways. His robotic body is easily lit than without looking uncanny, and the lights on his spaceship are always low, and tinted a cool blue to compliment his chassis. (Moltar, similarly, wore a full-body red costume and was typically lit in warm red tones.) All of this combined with TOM's casual, laid-back voice result in an atmosphere that provided a chill contrast to the action-based programming.

The block is also noted for its distinctive editing and musical stylings. Music videos are often made for individual shows or to represent the block as a whole, often set to techno-funk tracks. A 30-second intro video typically runs ahead of each show, before the proper [[title sequence]].

==''Transformers'' series==
===''Beast Wars''===
''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' was Toonami's first ''Transformers'' series, replacing ''The Real Adventures of Jonny Quest'' for a special week of premieres from March 9th to 13th, 1998. The five episodes in question were "[[Code of Hero]]", "[[Transmutate (episode)|Transmutate]]", "[[The Agenda (Part 1)]]", "[[The Agenda (Part 2)]]" and "[[The Agenda (Part III)]]".

* Promo: Moltar introduces ''Beast Wars'' as [[Rattrap (BW)|Rattrap]] sends [[Jonny Quest]] to a gruesome fate. "Transformers, '90s-style!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgP9EbSFm0 The original, uploaded at an image resolution of 240p.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ezrgJtdXf0 A fan recreation using high definition ''Beast Wars'' footage.]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVVJcd3KSYA Promo:] Moltar gives the block's lineup for the week, noting ''Beast Wars'' is "this week only." "My turn!"
* Sweepstakes: An unidentified female voiceover offers kids the chance to call a toll-free number and get a free Beast Wars toy if they watch Toonami from 4-6 PM.
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ownmShAxot4 The 30-second version of the ad.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6suZW0IedMA The 15-second version of the ad.]

===''Armada''===
Toonami wouldn't see any ''Transformers'' action again until 2002, when it premiered ''[[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|Transformers Armada]]''. The first three episodes were combined and advertised as a "movie", premiering on the "all new" Friday night block. Reruns were then aired Monday through Thursday, with a new episode each Friday.

The [[Unicron Trilogy]] would be plagued by Cartoon Network's rather indecipherable scheduling logic, oftentimes being moved off of the block and back onto it without any warning, making following the series a chore at best.

In March 2003, TOM's second body was replaced by his third, with the surrounding events being documented in the online comic ''Toonami: Endgame''.

*Promo: "Whoever can possess the Minicons will command their great power. Now, every Transformer in the universe will fight to claim them!" "Or die trying!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgQhHoGZTM0 A high-quality video recording of the promo], bundled with one for the 2002 ''He-Man'' series.
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnZVbiy152A A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]
* Intro (TOM 2): "It is our destiny to take control of the Minicons and bring the Autobots to their knees!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT94fbR0JVQ A video recording of the original promo.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiNATEJvwSM A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]
* Intro (TOM 3): "We can't let Megatron get hold of the Minicon!" "Get those Minicons, you fools!"
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XueK7wvFSo A high-quality video recording of the promo.]
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jr6x-etQ4E A fan recreation of the promo with high-definition ''Armada'' footage.]

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGH-OmBiKTM Marathon promo:] "Everyone loves transforming robots, but sometimes 22 minutes isn't enough. We're here for ya." (Narrated by Blum.)

===''Energon''===
Beginning in 2004, Toonami moved to Saturday nights from its original weekday afternoon format and issued one new ''[[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|Transformers Energon]]'' episode a week.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZZ_GhuzjbY Intro:] "We gotta stop fighting each other." *punches*

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2ADJt6luII Marathon promo:] "He who controls the Energon... controls the universe." (Narrated by Blum.)

===''Cybertron''===
''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Transformers Cybertron]]'' would be Toonami's fourth ''Transformers'' series, premiering in 2005. In 2006, they cobbled several episodes together to create a TV special called "[[Primus Unleashed (TV special)|Primus Unleashed]]". On June 30, 2007, as a tie-in during the opening week of the live-action ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' film, Toonami dedicated an entire night to a ''Cybertron'' marathon, followed by a sneak preview of the film.

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNSt9LS_J54 Promo:] "Beat it, Megatron!" "Oh, really?!" (Narrated by Blum.)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4r7NounjIQ Intro:] "These guys can rock!"

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfSieHZvvb4 Marathon promo 1:] "Hooking you up, 'VIP style'." (Narrated by Cullen.)

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJcabPf5QEQ Marathon promo 2:] "We're giving you four back-to-back episodes of ''Transformers: Cybertron''! All ''you'' have to do is sit there on your couch." (Narrated by Cullen.)

===''Animated''===
While never airing on the block itself, ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' was one of the series featured on the short-lived Toonami Jetstream video-streaming service, which launched on [[July 17]], [[2006]]. A limited number of episodes were hosted on Jetstream at a time, with episodes each being added shortly after they first aired on Cartoon Network. The series premiered on Jetstream on [[February 18]], [[2008]], and remained a part of the service until it was shut down on [[January 30]], [[2009]], roughly half a year after the Toonami block was taken off the air.

==Notes==
* Blum, being a professional animé dubber, frequently finds himself in the position of having to hype his own work while playing TOM. However, neither Blum, Cullen, nor Kenny have ever narrated a promo for a Transformers series they were in during the block's run. The closest Cullen came was briefly promoting [[Transformers (film)|the 2007 film]] during the ''Cybertron'' marathon. (This is also true of Wittenberg, though given his involvement in the franchise postdates his tenure on Toonami, this is perhaps less interesting.)
* While the revival of Toonami that began in 2012 has yet to broadcast any ''official'' Transformers series, it did begin airing ''{{w|SSSS.Gridman}}'' in January 2021, a show that's been noted many times on this wiki for using Transformers characters for character design inspiration.

==External links==
*[http://adultswim.com/shows/toonami Official Toonami website]
*{{w|Toonami|Toonami at Wikipedia}}

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